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Handing over the reins...How do youimplement pupil led learning in theclassroom?
20:00:12 Sarah__wright1
Evening & welcome to #ukedchat tonight werediscussing pupil led learning (PLL for Twitter short) howwould you define PLL?
20:00:39 Showmyhomework
RT @ukedchat: Under 2 hours until #ukedchat @8pm
with @Sarah__Wright1: 'Handing over the reins. How doyou implement pupil led learning ...
20:01:08 Pauls_elearning
[Weekly reminder] #ukedchat is about to start on Twitter.You can watch the conversation & join in here:http://t.co/lmRpxs8n
20:01:54 GaryAveryITTCan be : what they learn, how they learn, the outcome ofthe learning.... Which to start with?? #UKEdChat
20:01:55 Showmyhomework
RT @urban_teacher: @Visually This year i hope to useVisually in my class and for coursework revision
#ukedchat
20:02:08 DebbieHolley1
RT @Pauls_elearning: [Weekly reminder] #ukedchat isabout to start on Twitter. You can watch the conversation& join in here: http:/ ...
20:02:17 Showmyhomework
RT @esafetyadviser: A new forum for East Midlandsteachers - please RT, join and share -http://t.co/8HECipEb #ukedchat
20:03:09 DebbieHolley1
RT @AndyDMMitchell: 5 Reasons The iPad Will StayThe King of the Classroom http://t.co/vovw0KVp #edtech#ukedchat
20:03:14 Sarah__wright1
RT @GaryAveryITT: Can be : what they learn, how theylearn, the outcome of the learning.... Which to startwith?? #UKEdChat
20:03:16 travelgeordie#ukedchat use project based learning giving students achallenge to exhibit work in a beautiful way
20:03:32 DebbieHolley1
RT @ICTmagic: Read the new ICTmagic Show onlinemagazine with 22 fab resources for your class.#ukedchat #edchat #edtech #ntchat http:// ...
20:03:40 ICTmagic
RT @Sarah__wright1: Evening & welcome to #ukedchattonight were discussing pupil led learning (PLL forTwitter short) how would you ...
20:03:43 Sarah__wright1RT @StuartLock: #ukedchat - dangerous premise - "howdo we?" Surely the first question is "do we?"
20:03:45 DebbieHolley1
RT @AndyDMMitchell: Thousands of young peoplecannot cope with everyday life http://t.co/Ej5Czgcm#ukedchat #nusuk
20:03:54 thingsbehindsun
Learning is invisible. Teachers cannot make learninghappen, they can create the environment in which
learning happens #ukedchat
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20:04:01 oldandrewuk
RT @StuartLock: The premise behind tonight's#ukedchat title makes me feel like I imagine@oldandrewuk feels every day.
20:04:10 GaryAveryITTWhat they learn tends to be 'What do you want to find out
about in this topic....' real PLL?? #UKEdChat20:04:34 rkieran
#ukedchat #mantleoftheexpert - thankyou and good night;)
20:04:40 MrsPTeachThe curried carrot soup is boiling away for schoollunches....so it's #ukedchat time!
20:04:53 DebbieHolley1
RT @InnovateMySchl: The importance of teachingstudents mental toughness http://t.co/4eqhiS3G by@SkySportsLFS #pegeeks #ukedchat
20:05 DHESolutionsLtd@GaryAveryITT Agree, I think a great start is pupils
being engaged and believing in the process #ukedchat
20:05:04 oldandrewuk
#ukedchat "Topic: Handing over the reins. How do youimplement pupil led learning in the classroom?" Oh dear.Oh dear. Oh dear.
20:05:09 Pekabelo
#ukedchat We need students to be leaders. To take thelead with their attitude, approach and the quality of theirwork. Just like us!
20:05:10 MrsPTeach
I try and use Primary Wall for PLL but it's LOST all theirideas :( won't be doing that again. Any alternatives?
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20:05:12 travelgeordie
#ukedchat e.g. Campaign Afternoon where studentscreate and present an issue or topic they are passionateabout
20:05:20 StuartLockGenuinely puzzled by how to answer the openingquestion, aside from the trite and obvious. #ukedchat
20:05:31 ICTmagic@GaryAveryITT Should the 'what do you want to learn...'be confined to a single topic? #ukedchat
20:05:33 93rdminute
RT @InnovateMySchl: The importance of teachingstudents mental toughness http://t.co/4eqhiS3G by@SkySportsLFS #pegeeks #ukedchat
20:05:34 thingsbehindsun
Set aside one lesson per week. Ask big philosophicalquestions and give pupils time to think them through,discuss and present #ukedchat
20:05:42 Sarah__wright1
RT @travelgeordie: #ukedchat use project basedlearning giving students a challenge to exhibit work in abeautiful way
20:06:05 StuartLock
@Pekabelo OK, I can subscribe to this. I just don't agreethat students should decide what is learnt, and rarely (if
ever) how #ukedchat
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20:06:06 oldandrewuk
#ukedchat I wonder if doctors want their patients toprescribe their own drugs? Or police officers think peopleshould arrest themselves?
20:06:08 DebbieHolley1
RT @TLTP: Teachers of #English required for posts
across London and the SE. Please call 020 8709 6540#ukedchat
20:06:13 danielharvey9
RT @Pekabelo: #ukedchat We need students to beleaders. To take the lead with their attitude, approachand the quality of their work. Ju ...
20:06:15 benking01
We have successfully introduced Learning to Learn in Y7& 8 and Year 9 Pathways - students successfully leadtheir own learning #UKEdChat
20:06:33 Sarah__wright1
RT @DHESolutionsLtd: @GaryAveryITT Agree, I think a
great start is pupils being engaged and believing in theprocess #ukedchat
20:06:38 ICTmagic
@StuartLock Can you give an example of pupil ledlearning that has happen in your own classroom?#ukedchat
20:06:39 GaryAveryITT @ICTmagic no. but what is the solution? #UKEdChat
20:06:47 StuartLock
RT @oldandrewuk: #ukedchat "Topic: Handing over thereins. How do you implement pupil led learning in theclassroom?" Oh dear. Oh dear. ...
20:06:50 thingsbehindsun Play a game of 'can we do it? should we do it?' withethical questions created by pupils #ukedchat
20:06:55 Sarah__wright1
RT @Pekabelo: #ukedchat We need students to beleaders. To take the lead with their attitude, approachand the quality of their work. Ju ...
20:07:04 MrPalomar1
RT @oldandrewuk: #ukedchat "Topic: Handing over thereins. How do you implement pupil led learning in theclassroom?" Oh dear. Oh dear. ...
20:07:09 MrPalomar1
RT @oldandrewuk: #ukedchat I wonder if doctors wanttheir patients to prescribe their own drugs? Or policeofficers think people should ...
20:07:13 Showmyhomework
@ukedchat @8pm @sarah__wright1 #ukedchat I thinkhave clear expectations is key but I guess that's witheverything!
20:07:35 bellaale
RT @Pekabelo: #ukedchat We need students to beleaders. To take the lead with their attitude, approachand the quality of their work. Ju ...
20:07:41 oldandrewuk
#ukedchat Do ambulance drivers turn up & say:"here'syour ambulance, Mr Heart Attack Victim, drive it yourself,
I'm just here to facilitate"
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20:07:45 Sarah__wright1#ukedchat How do you do yours? What PLL do youcurrently use in your classroom?
20:07:57 richards_james
Top 5 eLearning Communities at Google+ that youshould join http://t.co/MwlCnZw8 via @zite #ukedchat
#addcym20:07:58 dandesignthink
a lot of teachers dont even want feedback from studentsnever mind ppl! #ukedchat
20:08:03 danielharvey9
@Pekabelo#pll #ukedchat is about supporting students inunderstanding what's to be learnt and really involvingthem in the how
20:08:13 frogphilpEducation takes place within a socio-cultural context.How can that be defined by children? #ukedchat
20:08:13 SurrealAnarchy @oldandrewuk: #ukedchat "Topic: Handing over thereins. How do you implement pupil led learning in theclassroom?" By going home
20:08:24 Richy68
RT @oldandrewuk: #ukedchat Do ambulance driversturn up & say:"here's your ambulance, Mr Heart AttackVictim, drive it yourself, I'm ...
20:08:43 ICTmagic
@GaryAveryITT Not even a little?! Not a suggestedcourse of action or a divergence to a topic you didn'tintend? #ukedchat
20:08:45 jackieschneider I have long been of the belief that most learning occursinschool despite what teachers do not because of it#ukedchat
20:08:45 StuartLock
RT @oldandrewuk: #ukedchat Do ambulance driversturn up & say:"here's your ambulance, Mr Heart AttackVictim, drive it yourself, I'm ...
20:08:47 davidhunter
@oldandrewuk do you think that there is any better wayfor pupils to learn/become self-motivated lrnrs than byyou teaching them? #ukedchat
20:08:55 lizzie_h18
@ICTmagic year 2 class wanting to continue a story pastthe authors ending - own writing and art work. Not inplanning but did it! #Ukedchat
20:09:03 oldandrewuk#ukedchat No, the only profession full of hatred of it'sown authority and expertise is the teaching profession.
20:09:10 StuartLock Did people really vote for this #ukedchat topic?
20:09:14 richards_james10 Innovative Ways to Use ThingLink in the Classroomhttp://t.co/FXYsAZjn via @zite #ukedchat #addcym
20:09:23 HeyMissSmith
I'm not sure as a teacher PLL should be the aim.Independence is important but that is different from the
children leading. #ukedchat
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20:09:26 DebbieHolley1
@oldandrewuk #ukedchat no but they do ask relevantquestions to assist with diagnosis - it takes as much prepfor a pupil led session
20:09:29 Wonderacademy
#ukedchat New post: 10 things I know about pupil-led
learning... Or am still learning about...http://t.co/4ZanX5kW
20:09:30 katzb21my student IT committee lead learning in technology 4both peers & staff - we r primary level #ukedchat
20:09:43 davidhunter @jackieschneider isn't that bad teaching? #ukedchat
20:09:49 thingsbehindsun
Teaching more about embedding skills such as research,analysis and healthy scepticism rather than learningfacts? #ukedchat
20:09:54 Showmyhomework
@ukedchat @8pm @sarah__wright1 I give learners
freedom to think outside the box in small teams, goodhappens! #ukedchat #thinkdifferent
20:09:56 oldandrewuk#ukedchat If a teacher wants kids to teach themselvesthen we should give the kids the teachers' wages.
20:10:02 lizzie_h18@oldandrewuk your examples are all linked to somethinggoing wrong... #Ukedchat
20:10:03 DebbieHolley1
RT @Wonderacademy: #ukedchat New post: 10 things Iknow about pupil-led learning... Or am still learningabout... http://t.co/4ZanX5kW
20:10:04 Sarah__wright1RT @danielharvey9: @Pekabelo#pll #ukedchat is about supporting students inunderstanding what's to be learnt and really involvingthem ...
20:10:17 Showmyhomework
RT @danielharvey9: @Pekabelo#pll #ukedchat is about supporting students inunderstanding what's to be learnt and really involvingthem ...
20:10:22 GaryAveryITT
@ICTmagic ah, realised the no was not explained...no itshouldn't be limited to one topic. The 'off track' lessonsare the best #UKEdChat
20:10:36 ICTwitz@oldandrewuk For once, I actually agree with you there.Happy new year. #ukedchat
20:10:38 richards_james
Can You Measure an Education? Can You Define LifesMeaning? http://t.co/dUms9Uxl via @zite #ukedchat#addcym
20:10:38 oldandrewuk
#ukedchat If it seems plausible to you that kids couldlearn better without you giving them direct instructionthen get out of the classroom
20:10:44 Showmyhomework RT @Pekabelo: #ukedchat We need students to be
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20:10:46 Wonderacademy
RT @Pekabelo: #ukedchat We need students to beleaders. To take the lead with their attitude, approach
and the quality of their work. Ju ...
20:11:05 katzb21
@dandesignthink unfortunately true but this is d 21stcentury where collaborative learning communities shd bengaged & encouraged #ukedchat
20:11:07 MaireadC
I facilitate an after school programming club where 2 year10 boys teach a group of year 8 - 10s how to use Python#ukedchat
20:11:13 jackieschneider
am seriously worried that we teach kids to becynical/world weary at tender age as we massage figs &
'pretend' to achieve things #ukedchat20:11:19 ICTmagic
@GaryAveryITT Ah! Too many conversations at once. :)#ukedchat
20:11:25 christully85
@richardredwin: Any teachers out there got the SMARTNotebook app for iPad? If so, is it worth investing in?#ukedchat
20:11:42 GaddafiGove
Anyone fancy hearing my hip-hop song about Gove? It'sgoing to be pretty unforgiving. Monday release! :D#ukedchat #GoveMUSTgo
20:11:54 oldandrewuk #ukedchat And in case anyone says it, no kids do notlearn better if left to "discover" knowledge for themselves.http://t.co/AYgQ18Ir
20:12 timbuckteethThe future of classrooms http://t.co/GpaaaZjh #edchat#ukedchat
20:12:02 bellaale
why all the false dichotomising? learning is a partnershipbtwn learner & teacher. You don't DO learning to people#ukedchat
20:12:20 GaryAveryITT @ictmagic always the way with #UKEdChat
20:12:23 travelgeordie
Create a curriculum where students are always creatingwork that is beautiful and is relevant to them and theirfuture #ukedchat
20:12:26 Sarah__wright1#ukedchat What are the benefits of PLL? How andindeed does it improve learning?
20:12:33 DebbieHolley1@jackieschneider #ukedchat but surely authentic tasksand leading would help to minimise this?
20:12:33 StuartLock#ukedchat tonight is based on students learning likethey're doing PHDs.
20:12:37 ICTmagic
I love @ewanmcintosh's TED videohttp://t.co/5IRNwMRk which relates to this topic. I recent
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find! #ukedchat
20:12:37 Pekabelo
@StuartLock no of course. But that doesn't mean theyshouldn't have a say in the design of the learningprocess. #ukedchat
20:12:42 HCPerrinData-gather on Kent secondary schools - variety in theirwebsites is SO interesting - added to the "when I havemore time" list... #ukedchat
20:12:44 DebbieHolley1RT @timbuckteeth: The future of classroomshttp://t.co/GpaaaZjh #edchat #ukedchat
20:12:48 oldandrewuk#ukedchat The greatest effect on learning stems fromteacher feedback and direct instruction.
20:12:57 TeacherToolkit
#ukedchat
Reduce #teacherTalk!
20:12:59 ewanmcintosh
RT @ICTmagic: I love @ewanmcintosh's TED videohttp://t.co/5IRNwMRk which relates to this topic. I recentfind! #ukedchat
20:13:04 ICTwitz
@christully85 @richardredwin I have it. It's good, anduse it with App TV so can use remotely within theclassroom. Otherwise, no! #ukedchat
20:13:14 ICTmagicRT @Sarah__wright1: #ukedchat What are the benefitsof PLL? How and indeed does it improve learning?
20:13:21 frogphilp @MaireadC After school sessions sound great - but Iworry about an approach that majors on facilitation forthe bulk of lessons #ukedchat
20:13:22 dialogicreading
@oldandrewuk #ukedchat Still need to help guide them.Im all about Zones of Proximal Development andIntermental Zone of Development.
20:13:33 urban_teacher
#ukedchat Every Lesson I give students a smallresponsibility to lead the lesson, then eventually overtimethey are leading the whole lesson
20:13:34 Showmyhomework
RT @TeacherToolkit: #ukedchat
Reduce #teacherTalk!
20:13:35 benking01Surely one of the best ways to learn is to teach someoneelse; this applies to children as well as adults! #ukedchat
20:13:39 jackieschneider
Illiterate prisoner falsely imprisoned was DEEPLYmotivated to study medicine & law to prove his innocence& successful #Ukedchat
20:13:49 thingsbehindsun
Teach metacognition: allows pupils to understand how aswell as what they think. Stops them becoming
receptacles for information #ukedchat
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RT @oldandrewuk: #ukedchat The greatest effect onlearning stems from teacher feedback and directinstruction.
20:13:57 ChrisChivers2#ukedchat Thoughts on Learning from Experience,
earlier post. Maybe one for later. http://t.co/iobBvB7h20:13:58 janboo
@oldandrewuk #ukedchat Agree with you Andrew - totalnonsense
20:14:05 Sarah__wright1
RT @TeacherToolkit: #ukedchat
Reduce #teacherTalk!
20:14:06 lizzie_h18@oldandrewuk you forgot discussion#Ukedchat
20:14:16 tweetiepie3689
RT @tes: Despite self-doubt and illness, PGCE student
Angie Jenkinson is sustained by others' kindnesshttp://t.co/CFDb7gGl #ukedchat
20:14:18 oldandrewuk
#ukedchat And don't tell me teacher neglect motivateskids. They'd be even more motivated if you let themwatch cartoons all day.
20:14:22 davidErogers What's #ukedchat topic on this evening?
20:14:23 Mrs___F
Nature's Weirdest Events is somehow making up forlousy broadband that's taking me away from #ukedchatbugger
20:14:28 Sam_Currie RT @ICTmagic: I love @ewanmcintosh's TED videohttp://t.co/5IRNwMRk which relates to this topic. I recentfind! #ukedchat
20:14:29 katzb21
quite shocked/disappointed at d number of negativeresponses here.Think how we as adults learn best -didacticly r collaboratively #ukedchat
20:14:33 Sarah__wright1
RT @Pekabelo: @StuartLock no of course. But thatdoesn't mean they shouldn't have a say in the design ofthe learning process. #ukedchat
20:14:34 travelgeordieMake sure students are trained in critique. Teachersshould be there to facilitate #ukedchat
20:14:35 LutonNUT
RT @GaddafiGove: Anyone fancy hearing my hip-hopsong about Gove? It's going to be pretty unforgiving.Monday release! :D #ukedchat #Gov ...
20:14:36 GaryAveryITT
@oldandrewuk thanks for the link, will absorb later...butif this is the research, why the constant reference to PLL#UKEdChat - Thoughts?
20:14:41 jackieschneider
RT @benking01: Surely one of the best ways to learn isto teach someone else; this applies to children as well as
adults! #ukedchat
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20:14:47 ewanmcintosh
.@ICTmagic If you want more detail on how one mghtcreate authentc tasks #ssatnc12 keynote gave more time:-) http://t.co/UEK2gftR #ukedchat
20:14:50 nancyrubinRT @timbuckteeth: The future of classrooms
http://t.co/GpaaaZjh #edchat #ukedchat
20:14:59 oldandrewuk
#ukedchat And as for "co-constructed knowledge": If yourknowledge can be co-constructed by a child there issomething wrong with it.
20:15:07 Michael_Merrick
RT @oldandrewuk: #ukedchat "Topic: Handing over thereins. How do you implement pupil led learning in theclassroom?" Oh dear. Oh dear. ...
20:15:10 SusanGodsland
RT @oldandrewuk: #ukedchat "Topic: Handing over thereins. How do you implement pupil led learning in the
classroom?" Oh dear. Oh dear. ...
20:15:11 Michael_Merrick
RT @oldandrewuk: #ukedchat I wonder if doctors wanttheir patients to prescribe their own drugs? Or policeofficers think people should ...
20:15:21 StuartLock@GaryAveryITT @oldandrewuk That's a good question#ukedchat
20:15:26 gwalbrechtRT @timbuckteeth: The future of classroomshttp://t.co/GpaaaZjh #edchat #ukedchat
20:15:29 Michael_Merrick
RT @oldandrewuk: #ukedchat No, the only profession
full of hatred of it's own authority and expertise is theteaching profession.
20:15:36 DebbieHolley1
RT @urban_teacher: #ukedchat Every Lesson I givestudents a small responsibility to lead the lesson, theneventually overtime they are l ...
20:15:36 davidhunter
#ukedchat interesting to hear different views on thistopic.we generally seem not to trust children.wonderwhy?
20:15:37 Michael_Merrick
RT @oldandrewuk: #ukedchat If a teacher wants kids toteach themselves then we should give the kids theteachers' wages.
20:15:37 GrahamBMRT @timbuckteeth: The future of classroomshttp://t.co/GpaaaZjh #edchat #ukedchat
20:15:44 DrJohnLTaylor Students need to be taught to learn independently. Theskills aren't innate. #ukedchat
20:15:46 cherrylkd@HeyMissSmith #ukedchat I'm with you there. Twothings are totally different.
20:15:51 sklobal
Bhutan takes conservation into the classroom #edchat#ukedchat #teachers #SklobalThursdayThanks
http://t.co/nSZmKfNs http://t.co/7d8fPCMy
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RT @oldandrewuk: #ukedchat If it seems plausible toyou that kids could learn better without you giving themdirect instruction then get ...
20:16:03 ChrisChivers2#ukedchat Let the independent learners rehearse the
skills and show what can be achieved. Peer learning.20:16:06 Pekabelo
@StuartLock also, design their own questions, look at@Totallywired77's punk learning. #ukedchat
20:16:10 mrpeel
#ukedchat poss another secondary/primary split? I tendtowards @oldandrewuk and might sit this one out-independent and resilient isn't PLL
20:16:12 ICT_MrP
Using football as a stimulus in Literacy with the help ofiPads! http://t.co/iR8KM9Lt #ipaded #ukedchat #edchat#literacy #talk4writing
20:16:12 thingsbehindsun Content not always the driver for lessons. Allow pupils topresent their view on a subject of interest. Make themdefend their POV #ukedchat
20:16:15 Dymvue
RT @jackieschneider: I have long been of the belief thatmost learning occursin school despite what teachers donot because of it #ukedchat
20:16:16 frogphilp
@oldandrewuk Co-construction is not a vector ofknowledge. It's a vector of creativity and therefore can'tbe taught. #ukedchat
20:16:18 oldandrewuk #ukedchat The autonomous child left to discover theworld by the progressive teacher is not based onanything other than crazed ideology.
20:16:19 Sarah__wright1
RT @urban_teacher: #ukedchat Every Lesson I givestudents a small responsibility to lead the lesson, theneventually overtime they are l ...
20:16:37 sklobal
Bhutan takes conservation into the classroom #edchat#ukedchat #teachers #SklobalThursdayThankshttp://t.co/nSZmKfNs
20:16:43 DrJohnLTaylor
We learn to think by thinking. We think when we aregiven something worth thinking about. #ukedchat
20:16:54 StuartLock
@davidhunter Even students who can be 'trusted' benefitfrom what and how they're learning being designed by aprofessional #ukedchat
20:16:54 L1v1n9byNum63r5
@tesMaths credit. I found it on my computer thisevening. http://t.co/Wl5fLt4g #maths #edchat #mathchat#ukedchat
20:16:54 L1v1n9byNum63r5
@tesMaths credit. I found it on my computer thisevening. http://t.co/Wl5fLt4g #maths #edchat #mathchat
#ukedchat
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20:16:58 ewanmcintosh
We've found student-led learning the singularly mostchallenging think to teach to teachers. But the results areamazing. #ukedchat
20:16:59 lizzie_h18
#mantleoftheexpert is pupil led learning but always starts
with the question what is the curriculum to be taught#Ukedchat
20:17:02 davidErogers@ukedchat thank you - my first reaction would be whylimit it to the classroom? ;-) #ukedchat
20:17:07 DrJohnLTaylor 'Better a guide at the side than a sage on the stage'.(Alison King) #ukedchat
20:17:07 benking01RT @DrJohnLTaylor: Students need to be taught to learnindependently. The skills aren't innate. #ukedchat
20:17:08 Showmyhomework
RT @ChrisChivers2: #ukedchat Let the independent
learners rehearse the skills and show what can beachieved. Peer learning.
20:17:11 BrightAire@oldandrewuk - doesn't it depend on the balance in the"co-construction partnership"? *retch* #ukedchat
20:17:13 syded06
Just had a look at the #ukedchat timeline and quiteamused by the argument only direct instruction approachto learning works!
20:17:27 SusanGodsland
RT @oldandrewuk: #ukedchat The autonomous child leftto discover the world by the progressive teacher is not
based on anything other tha ...
20:17:28 dialogicreading
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20:17:36 davidErogers
A simple idea we use is to get students to ask questionsat the beginning of a unit on postits. There's you unit#ukedchat
20:17:37 oldandrewuk
#ukedchat An ideology for those who have no faith inthemselves, no confidence in their own place in theworld. An ideology that...
20:17:40 Sarah__wright1
RT @syded06: Just had a look at the #ukedchat timelineand quite amused by the argument only direct instructionapproach to learning wo ...
20:17:50 GaryAveryITT
How about a balance?? - Children find out, form anopinion.... But i will teach at the end of the lesson, not thebeginning... #UKEdChat
20:17:52 urban_teacher
#ukedchat The aim of the game is not to spoonfeed orchat too much in a lesson. The aim is to let studentsspoon feed each other!
20:17:53 travelgeordie Content not important gone are the days when teacher
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should tell students about ox bow lakes in geography.Ive never seen one! #ukedchat
20:17:54 Showmyhomework
RT @benking01: Surely one of the best ways to learn isto teach someone else; this applies to children as well as
adults! #ukedchat20:17:54 PeterSpencer88
@oldandrewuk so when learning to do something it isalways best to be told how to do it? #ukedchat
20:17:54 bellaale
RT @syded06: Just had a look at the #ukedchat timelineand quite amused by the argument only direct instructionapproach to learning wo ...
20:17:55 DrJohnLTaylor
Provide students with the scaffolding; show them how tobuild; then move aside & allow them to start putting thebricks in place. #ukedchat
20:17:59 StuartLock I really can't believe that people still want to subscribe toRousseau's Emile and that way of learning. #ukedchat
20:18:11 wilderwoman1
#ukedchat You have to provide the tools and theframeworks. Their application and transference is wherethey become independent learners.
20:18:19 GrahamBMHow would you design a classroom? http://t.co/8bKoixOf#edchat #UKedchat (12 min vid)
20:18:21 oldandrewuk#ukedchat ...worships weakness to the point where thehelpless child seems like a saint.
20:18:22 StuartLock
@DrJohnLTaylor Tripe, I'm afraid. #ukedchat.
20:18:27 DebbieHolley1
@DrJohnLTaylor #ukedchat and we don't know what theskills are children will need - so independent learningincreasingly important
20:18:29 Sarah__wright1
#ukedchat So, a mixed bag of opinions, does anyonehave any examples of positive or negative pupil ledlearning sessions or projects?
20:18:35 ChrisChivers2
#ukedchat DT/problem solving in all areas can offerpotential collaborative, independent activities.http://t.co/r78O1np0
20:18:36 dialogicreading
@syded06 Did you find that out yourself, or did someonetell you? Apparently we have to be told EVERYTHING!#concerned #ukedchat
20:18:40 Caz963
RT @oldandrewuk: #ukedchat "Topic: Handing over thereins. How do you implement pupil led learning in theclassroom?" Oh dear. Oh dear. ...
20:18:40 danielharvey9
RT @Pekabelo: @StuartLock also, design their ownquestions, look at @Totallywired77's punk learning.#ukedchat
20:18:44 ewanmcintosh Student-led learning is threatening for many unless they
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20:18:44 Wonderacademy
#ukedchat New post: 10 things I know about pupil-ledlearning.... http://t.co/4ZanX5kW. Don't deny the simple
success of teacher talk...20:18:45 katzb21
@ewanmcintosh wd love 2 hear more anout thisresearch #ukedchat
20:18:45 Caz963
RT @oldandrewuk: #ukedchat Do ambulance driversturn up & say:"here's your ambulance, Mr Heart AttackVictim, drive it yourself, I'm ...
20:18:52 andrewwarnerkms
RT @oldandrewuk: #ukedchat And as for "co-constructed knowledge": If your knowledge can be co-constructed by a child there is something ...
20:18:53 MrG_ICT maybe we need to be choosy with children taking leadingrolls. ICT is perfect. Always get children choreog as nogood myself. #ukedchat
20:18:54 HeyMissSmith
@cherrylkd en when children are 'presenting' directinstruction is vital.Children's feedback to each other alsoneeds guidance. #ukedchat
20:18:56 thingsbehindsun
Learning happens when pupils (are made to?) think hard.But how do we get pupils to think hard? What doesthinking look like? #ukedchat
20:18:58 oldandrewuk #ukedchat In the absence of adult leadership & authoritykids do not become autonomous, they become slaves tothe mob.
20:18:58 Wonderacademy
RT @ChrisChivers2: #ukedchat Let the independentlearners rehearse the skills and show what can beachieved. Peer learning.
20:19 Sarah__wright1
RT @wilderwoman1: #ukedchat You have to provide thetools and the frameworks. Their application andtransference is where they become in ...
20:19:06 johnjdc
RT @oldandrewuk: #ukedchat Do ambulance driversturn up & say:"here's your ambulance, Mr Heart AttackVictim, drive it yourself, I'm ...
20:19:19 StuartLock
Students have 130 odd hours a week to design their ownlearning. Why would we let them do it in the precioustime we have #ukedchat
20:19:19 bellaale
"Point the finger at someone (or an entire profession...)and you have 3 fingers pointing right back atyourself..." ;) #ukedchat
20:19:26 frogphilp
@cristinataboada @oldandrewuk It's possible to inhibit
the development of creativity. Only humanists believe
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20:19:38 DebbieHolley1
RT @lizzie_h18: #mantleoftheexpert is pupil led learningbut always starts with the question what is the curriculumto be taught #Ukedchat
20:19:41 katzb21 time 2 move away from d concept of d teacher pouring dfountain of knowledge in2 d childs head #ukedchat
20:19:42 oldandrewuk
#ukedchat Children are not natural saints or prto-intellectuals They are as prone to moral weakness as therest of us.
20:19:44 jodieworld
All I have to say on #ukedchat is InternationalBaccalaureate. Research it. It is the best example I cangive and cannot explain in a tweet!
20:19:47 Sarah__wright1
RT @davidErogers: A simple idea we use is to get
students to ask questions at the beginning of a unit onpostits. There's you unit #ukedchat
20:19:48 PeterSpencer88@dialogicreading @syded06 a scene from ShirleyValentine springs to mind! #ukedchat
20:19:48 ICT_MrP
All the #ipad apps I have used so far this year from rec -year 6! With examples of the context usedhttp://t.co/ZcOkJodO #ipaded #ukedchat
20:19:49 davidErogers
My response to #ukedchat is that we need to define whatpupil led learning is first, then remember it's only good
some of the time
20:19:54 Showmyhomework
@davidhunter #ukedchat like many I've been in theclassroom when it works fab and when it goes horriblywrong...valid points on both sides
20:19:55 MissisHumanRT @GrahamBM: How would you design a classroom?http://t.co/8bKoixOf #edchat #UKedchat (12 min vid)
20:19:55 DrJohnLTaylor
Deeper thought needs a stimulus, which often comesfrom discussion. It also needs time. Hence why projectbased approaches work. #ukedchat
20:19:57 davidhunter
@StuartLock i agree.I dispute that much of what istaught to children is of relevance or purpose to their livesthough #ukedchat
20:19:58 ewanmcintosh
.@katzb21 There's some great evidence of student-ledlrn improving lit & numeracy in our Brissie schools:http://t.co/1xo6Y2qZ #ukedchat
20:19:59 StuartLock@ewanmcintosh Go on, because that would fly in theface of lots of research. #ukedchat
20:20 benking01
@oldandrewuk Is anyone here suggesting that ALLlearning should be self-directed by the students? Surely
not. #ukedchat
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20:20:11 Sarah__wright1@davidErogers that was how I started a total pupil ledtopic last term, worked brilliantly! #ukedchat
20:20:20 jackieschneider
@davidhunter no. Mammals r naturally curious & learnthru experience of doing & solving not by following NC &
jumping thru hoops #ukedchat20:20:26 travelgeordie
Claxtons 4rs BLP is a framework that promotes sharedlanguage for students #ukedchat
20:20:26 Pekabelo
@lizzie_h18 Just done something like this. Studentstotally immersed in their learning,creating amazing workhttp://t.co/RcRUZdO9 #ukedchat
20:20:33 danielharvey9
RT @syded06: Just had a look at the #ukedchat timelineand quite amused by the argument only direct instructionapproach to learning wo ...
20:20:48 TLABerkhamsted RT @davidErogers: My response to #ukedchat is that weneed to define what pupil led learning is first, thenremember it's only good some ...
20:20:53 ewanmcintosh
.@StuartLock I'd encourage ppl to read research fromHarvard Project Zero, Guy Claxton, David Perkins, RonBerger... #ukedchat
20:21:06 bellaale
RT @benking01: @oldandrewuk Is anyone heresuggesting that ALL learning should be self-directed bythe students? Surely not. #ukedchat
20:21:11 StuartLock @davidhunter So have a professional discussion aboutwhat rather than letting them decide. #ukedchat
20:21:13 bramleyapplecc#ukedchat mantle of the expert: co constructedscaffolded inquiry based pedagogy every time!
20:21:14 davidhunter
@oldandrewuk anything on mob/herd mentality beingmore prevalent in chn than adults spring to mind?Beenwriting about this today #ukedchat
20:21:15 syded06
@janbaker97 IMO teaching is not about telling. Its aboutfinding the right approach at the right time for the rightstudent #ukedchat
20:21:15 Showmyhomework
#ukedchat learning by example followed up by practice athome or with peers tends to work! There are leaders ineveryclassroom
20:21:22 BrightAireThink a more subtle definition of "student-led" is needed.#ukedchat
20:21:29 DebbieHolley1
RT @oldandrewuk: #ukedchat Children are not naturalsaints or prto-intellectuals They are as prone to moralweakness as the rest of us.
20:21:35 nicoladarling78
@davidErogers yep agree and becoming gradually more
confident with this :) #ukedchat
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20:21:36 simon_elliott
RT @jodieworld: All I have to say on #ukedchat isInternational Baccalaureate. Research it. It is the bestexample I can give and cannot ...
20:21:39 travelgeordie
Claxtons 4rs BLP is a framework that promotes shared
language for students to lead their own learning#ukedchat
20:21:41 jackieschneider I HATE our obsession with labelling kids & believing thatNC levels make any kind of sense #ukedchat
20:21:56 urban_teacher
RT @katzb21: time 2 move away from d concept of dteacher pouring d fountain of knowledge in2 d childshead #ukedchat
20:21:57 bramleyapplecc#ukedchat A, B, C of mantle; All involved, Big problems,Community that Cares!!!
20:22:03 oldandrewuk #ukedchat Some deficiencies of character and intellectare actually typical of children & they need help toovercome them.
20:22:21 Sarah__wright1
RT @bramleyapplecc: #ukedchat mantle of the expert:co constructed scaffolded inquiry based pedagogy everytime!
20:22:22 DebbieHolley1RT @GrahamBM: How would you design a classroom?http://t.co/8bKoixOf #edchat #UKedchat (12 min vid)
20:22:37 davidErogers@nicoladarling78 Simple is good. I'm a simple person
after all :-) #ukedchat
20:22:39 RobAnthony01
@benking01 @bellaale @oldandrewuk #ukedchat Andstudents need to be TAUGHT how best to learn forthemselves.
20:22:43 oldandrewuk#ukedchat We introduce children to the world. That iswhy we teach.
20:22:46 davidhunter
@jackieschneider Yes, but without context and inputwe're talking about figuring out how resistantplasterboard is to teeth #ukedchat
20:22:50 merlinjohn
RT @ICTmagic: I love @ewanmcintosh's TED videohttp://t.co/5IRNwMRk which relates to this topic. I recentfind! #ukedchat
20:22:50 lancslassrach
@janbaker97 @syded06 sorry to tweet drop quite trickyto do that sort of stuff in MFL they do need our input b4they can output #ukedchat
20:22:53 ICTmagic
@oldandrewuk I think a better analogy is that of aLearner driver & instructor - where learning is happening.Doing is learning. #ukedchat
20:22:53 StuartLock
@ewanmcintosh You said "the results are amazing". Tell
me where #ukedchat
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20:23:10 tstarkey1212
@thingsbehindsun Wait, so being an 'informationreceptacle' is a bad thing? Knowing things is a negative?I don't understand. #ukedchat
20:23:30 thechrissyt@jackieschneider love your thoughts. There to facilitate
the learning? #ukedchat
20:23:34 MMcMahonTEP
@oldandrewuk Enjoying the incisiveness of your tweets.Getting rid of BS surrounding child- directed learning onetweet at a time #ukedchat
20:23:35 Sarah__wright1#ukedchat Where is pupil led learning best used? Does itlend itself to a particluar subject? activity?
20:23:37 DebbieHolley1RT @bramleyapplecc: #ukedchat A, B, C of mantle; Allinvolved, Big problems, Community that Cares!!!
20:23:47 bramleyapplecc
#ukedchat understanding that sometimes we need to
lead, sometimes listen, sometimes challenge and moreoften pause and be silent...
20:23:55 londongary
#ukedchat primary pupils definitely benefit from PLLwhen set homework with open quest like 'Show me inany way u like what u know about...
20:24:02 SusancMcCarthy
Do we do things for pupils or with pupils? The answer tothis depends on our view of the potential of the child#ukedchat
20:24:02 davidErogers@Sarah__wright1 Anything outdoors is good for learning
by play and experimentation #ukedchat20:24:05 ICTmagic
@oldandrewuk Surely, doctors/ambulance drivers do notset out to educate. #ukedchat
20:24:10 ewanmcintosh
.@StuartLock Results of student-led learning amazing inthousands of schools. Where to start? Try@SOTSCleveland for one story #ukedchat
20:24:13 lizzie_h18
RT @ICTmagic: I think a better analogy is that of aLearner driver & instructor - where learning is happening.Doing is learning. #Ukedchat
20:24:21 RobAnthony01
@oldandrewuk #ukedchat and part of that should beintroducing them to how they can learn independently,surely.
20:24:28 DrJohnLTaylor
'Independent learning' is not the most helpful label, nor'pupil led'. We are aiming to stimulate inquiry andfacilitate this. #ukedchat.
20:24:32 oldandrewuk
#ukedchat As for the idea that education is found within,read the passage from Chesterton at the bottom of this:http://t.co/LSV3kquD
20:24:35 davidErogers
The nursery my 3 yr old goes to has pupil led learning.
It's called play ;-) #ukedchat
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20:24:42 alisoniredaleRT @GrahamBM: How would you design a classroom?http://t.co/8bKoixOf #edchat #UKedchat (12 min vid)
20:24:44 designersblockRT @GrahamBM: How would you design a classroom?http://t.co/8bKoixOf #edchat #UKedchat (12 min vid)
20:24:55 thingsbehindsun Seems apt for #ukedchat tonight RT @philo_quotes Onemust steer, not talk. ~ Seneca
20:25:02 davidErogers@BrightAire for sure - and you can manage risk whilebeing quite invisable to the young people #ukedchat
20:25:05 frogphilp
The elephant in this #ukedchat room is that whateverPLL we try is irrelevant - our broken assessment systemsucks independence out of chn.
20:25:07 LeeDonaghyRT @StuartLock: #ukedchat - dangerous premise - "howdo we?" Surely the first question is "do we?"
20:25:11 ICTmagic RT @thingsbehindsun: Seems apt for #ukedchat tonightRT @philo_quotes One must steer, not talk. ~ Seneca
20:25:15 ewanmcintosh
.@StuartLock The challnge of "show me where" that*many* teachers ask for, is that the correct answer is "goseek". It's all there #ukedchat
20:25:20 oldandrewuk
RT @SurrealAnarchy: @oldandrewuk: #ukedchat"Topic: Handing over the reins. How do you implementpupil led learning in the classroom?" ...
20:25:26 HeyMissSmith
@cherrylkd They often need a scaffold AND a model in
primary school to give good feedback. Worth doing butteacher HAS to lead #ukedchat
20:25:27 Sarah__wright1
RT @londongary: #ukedchat primary pupils definitelybenefit from PLL when set homework with open questlike 'Show me in any way u like w ...
20:25:31 jackieschneider RT @davidErogers: The nursery my 3 yr old goes to haspupil led learning. It's called play ;-) #ukedchat
20:25:33 Sarah__wright1
RT @bramleyapplecc: #ukedchat understanding thatsometimes we need to lead, sometimes listen,sometimes challenge and more often pause a ...
20:25:38 wilderwoman1
#ukedchat It's all about balance and flexibility. There aretimes for student-led and times for teacher-led. Whyobsess either way ?
20:25:40 katzb21
@Sarah__wright1 i think IT is ideal. All primary teacherswere born in d 20th century while all their pupils wereborn in d21st #ukedchat
20:25:42 DebbieHolley1RT @thingsbehindsun: Seems apt for #ukedchat tonightRT @philo_quotes One must steer, not talk. ~ Seneca
20:25:42 Lochrie
RT @DrJohnLTaylor: 'Better a guide at the side than asage on the stage'. (Alison King) #ukedchat
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20:25:42 bellaaleRT @thingsbehindsun: Seems apt for #ukedchat tonightRT @philo_quotes One must steer, not talk. ~ Seneca
20:25:42 davidErogers
@StuartLock @LeeDonaghy Well said, and moreimportantly 'what is?' and 'what does it loook like?'
#ukedchat20:25:44 Showmyhomework @syded06 @janbaker97 #ukedchat #spoton
20:25:46 aknill@Sarah__wright1 #ukedchat look at @headguruteachers blog and handing over learning with groups
20:25:49 Pekabelo
#ukedchat for me, pupil led learning is as much about nothaving particular expectations as to where learningshould lead. Sky=limit!
20:25:50 dialogicreading
@RobAnthony01 @oldandrewuk But then how wouldthey know what to think? #vgotskydontmeanshittome
#ukedchat20:25:51 Lynnewin100
RT @oldandrewuk: #ukedchat We introduce children tothe world. That is why we teach.
20:25:54 BrightAire
.@davidErogers - as kids develop competence in riskmanagement/learning leadership they can take on amore developed role. #ukedchat
20:25:56 Sarah__wright1RT @thingsbehindsun: Seems apt for #ukedchat tonightRT @philo_quotes One must steer, not talk. ~ Seneca
20:25:57 travelgeordie
Anyone who needs evidence try to empower own
students +experience amazing learning themselvesinstead of worrying about change #ukedchat
20:25:58 bekblayton#ukedchat looks as divisive as ever! Hope everyone hada great break...
20:26 DHESolutionsLtd@tstarkey1212 he is making Paulo Friere'spoint...#ukedchat
20:26:03 oliverquinlan#ukedchat needs a much clearer definition of terms,seems to me people are debating very different things.
20:26:05 syded06
Imagine this statement in a classroom you dont need toknow that so dont look it up. I dont care if you areinterested! #ukedchat
20:26:08 oldandrewuk@davidhunter #ukedchat If I did, then I wouldn't teachthem.
20:26:09 kenkenholmes
RT @SurrealAnarchy: @oldandrewuk: #ukedchat"Topic: Handing over the reins. How do you implementpupil led learning in the classroom?" ...
20:26:12 climbdg5RT @davidErogers: The nursery my 3 yr old goes to haspupil led learning. It's called play ;-) #ukedchat
20:26:17 garycorbett7
#ukedchat a positive, when learners have a direct inputon projects. Combined with results they see visually such
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as a community project20:26:18 davidErogers @oliverquinlan I agree Oliver #ukedchat
20:26:21 davidhunter @StuartLock not sure I get you. Content largely decidedfor us. #ukedchat
20:26:25 katzb21 @Sarah__wright1 many pupils r more skilled, competent& inspirational in IT than their teachers #ukedchat
20:26:32 nicoladarling78
@bramleyapplecc used this when training and saw somegreat work but not come across or used since :( #ukedchat
20:26:35 davidErogers
RT @oliverquinlan: #ukedchat needs a much clearerdefinition of terms, seems to me people are debatingvery different things.
20:26:36 DrJohnLTaylor
RT @DebbieHolley1: @DrJohnLTaylor #ukedchat and
we don't know what the skills are children will need - soindependent learning increasin ...
20:27:01 lizzie_h18@Pekabelo absolutely yes#Ukedchat
20:27:07 christully85
Can anyone help please? I'm looking for: Kay, W.(2005)A rose by any other name: but physical educationand sport are not the same #ukedchat
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RT @Pekabelo: #ukedchat for me, pupil led learning isas much about not having particular expectations as to
where learning should lead. ...
20:27:11 thingsbehindsun
Pupils 'learn' when interested. That's why they can talkabout every member of their football team but forgetcovalent bonding #ukedchat
20:27:17 StuartLock@davidhunter I think you're arguing that students shoulddecide. I'm saying I disagree. #ukedchat
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RT @aknill: @Sarah__wright1 #ukedchat look at@headguruteacher s blog and handing over learningwith groups
20:27:23 davidhunter
@oldandrewuk fair play. rephrase. Anyacknowledgement of effectiveness of other methods thandirect instruction? #ukedchat
20:27:24 benking01@HeyMissSmith @cherrylkd The same applies insecondary, I think. #ukedchat
20:27:26 Showmyhomework
RT @garycorbett7: #ukedchat a positive, when learnershave a direct input on projects. Combined with resultsthey see visually such as a ...
20:27:29 ICTmagic
@oldandrewuk Out of interest, what age do you teach?Do you think that has a bearing on pupil led learning?#ukedchat
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Pupil Led Learning - is it simply not asking questions towhich you want the 'right' answer as the teacher?#ukedchat
20:27:40 oldandrewuk
@DebbieHolley1 Nobody is against dialogue in the
classroom, just against forgetting who should lead it.#ukedchat
20:27:45 DHESolutionsLtd
@MMcMahonTEP @oldandrewuk So, has all your ownlearning in life been a result only of following? No leadingat all? #ukedchat
20:27:45 Wonderacademy
There is a more common sense approach-between theextremes tonight 10 things I know about pupil-ledlearning..http://t.co/4ZanX5kW #ukedchat
20:27:48 StuartLock@LeeDonaghy @davidErogers Ditto on 'should we'? And
my answer is 'no, or at most very rarely' #ukedchat20:27:48 GaryAveryITT
Anyone know of any pupils currently helping Gove designthe new curriculum?? #UKEdChat
20:27:54 ChrisChivers2
#ukedchat Set clear tasks, appropriate resources, someindependent, some scaffolded support, some taught.Evaluate. Learn from outcomes.
20:27:59 syded06@janbaker97 @lancslassrach perhaps. The argument on#ukedchat seems to be about direct instruction
20:28:04 Sarah__wright1
RT @katzb21: @Sarah__wright1 many pupils r more
skilled, competent & inspirational in IT than their teachers#ukedchat
20:28:11 Showmyhomework
RT @aknill: @Sarah__wright1 #ukedchat look at@headguruteacher s blog and handing over learningwith groups
20:28:13 davidErogers
@LeeDonaghy @StuartLock Should we is yes - when it'sapproriate. It depends on how you define Pupil LedLearning that's the thing #ukedchat
20:28:15 dbctmanRT @davidErogers: The nursery my 3 yr old goes to haspupil led learning. It's called play ;-) #ukedchat
20:28:15 lizzie_h18@nicoladarling78 come to our school!http://t.co/F5o60vDA #Ukedchat
20:28:19 nicoladarling78
@davidErogers couldn't agree more and they love beingable to answer the questions as they add to the display :)#ukedchat
20:28:30 BrightAire
.@davidErogers - for some kids leadership will always bemainly outside comfort zone. Kids don't learn if high riskof failure. #ukedchat
20:28:32 bekblayton
@Sarah__wright1 Pupil learning can be used
everywhere! ICT is a tool use it to shape pupils learning,
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20:28:37 ewanmcintosh
@StuartLock Hattie doesn't contradict student-led lrn.Top effects evenly spread btwn students & teach roles:http://t.co/2lAJVHfP #ukedchat
20:28:43 jackieschneider Think about important important stuff YOU have learned -were you passive recipient or did you lead? #ukedchat
20:28:43 StuartLock@davidErogers I can subscribe to that - if that's PLL thenthat's fine. Listen, converse, feedback. #ukedchat
20:28:54 ICTmagic
RT @jackieschneider: Think about important importantstuff YOU have learned - were you passive recipient ordid you lead? #ukedchat
20:28:54 oldandrewuk
@lizzie_h18 #ukedchat They are linked to deficiency (ofhealth or behaviour). So is teaching. It's meant to
address ignorance not worship it
20:28:54 tstarkey1212
@thingsbehindsun But they'd still have that pass. And tointerpret and analyse, you've got to start with facts#ukedchat
20:28:57 davidErogers@BrightAire Leadership development is a great exampleof pupil led learning - so is enterprise skills #ukedchat
20:28:58 bellaaleDid a teacher tell *you* the sum of everything *you* knowabout everything? #ukedchat
20:29 MissLapere
"@bhwilkoff:Important reflection on both Flipped and
Blended Learning:Why I Gave Up Flipped Instructionhttp://t.co/sDElkDNE #PLP" #ukedchat
20:29:06 jackieschneider
RT @GaryAveryITT: Anyone know of any pupilscurrently helping Gove design the new curriculum??#UKEdChat
20:29:06 Sarah__wright1
RT @ChrisChivers2: #ukedchat Set clear tasks,appropriate resources, some independent, somescaffolded support, some taught. Evaluate. L ...
20:29:07 GaryAveryITT@ChrisChivers2: #ukedchat Set clear tasks.... Evaluate.Learn from outcomes. - Agreed, balance is everything
20:29:07 DrJohnLTaylor
The role model for anyone who believes that the mostimportant thing is to teach students to think forthemselves is Socrates. #ukedchat.
20:29:08 080BelleRT @davidErogers: The nursery my 3 yr old goes to haspupil led learning. It's called play ;-) #ukedchat
20:29:12 oldandrewukRT @ICTwitz: @oldandrewuk For once, I actually agreewith you there. Happy new year. #ukedchat
20:29:16 ChrisChivers2
RT @bramleyapplecc: #ukedchat understanding thatsometimes we need to lead, sometimes listen,sometimes challenge and more often pause a ...
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20:29:21 Lindseysg
RE http://t.co/klX95kSQ @rc_newman I'm following#ukedchat about students led learning and mantle of theexpert keeps coming up!
20:29:22 ewanmcintosh
.@StuartLock Teachers doing their own research isn't a
cop-out. It's expected part of being a professional (inScotland, at least) #ukedchat
20:29:26 davidErogers
@StuartLock I think that most teachers take part in someform of pupil led learning, it;s at the small scale#ukedchat
20:29:28 bramleyappleccRT @lizzie_h18: @nicoladarling78 come to our school!http://t.co/F5o60vDA #Ukedchat
20:29:30 DebbieHolley1
RT @aknill: @Sarah__wright1 #ukedchat look at@headguruteacher s blog and handing over learning
with groups
20:29:34 katzb21
@GaryAveryITT well maybe thats where they shd b. Ashared vision by all stakeholders might bring about stgamazing. #ukedchat
20:29:38 aknill
RT @davidErogers: @ukedchat thank you - my firstreaction would be why limit it to the classroom? ;-)#ukedchat
20:29:45 PeterSpencer88
@StuartLock @davidhunter but some choice should begiven. Learning to make choices, work independently,something they will need #ukedchat
20:29:47 davidhunter
@StuartLock don't believe in 'handing over the reins'.dobelieve that chn should have time to be guided thru theirown interests.#ukedchat
20:29:53 davidErogers
I have 6 teams of young people setting up business withminimal help from me - is this pupil led learning?#ukedchat
20:30 jackieschneider @davidErogers - that is a REAL danger. Way too much"can u guess what I want u 2 say? #ukedchat
20:30:01 DrJohnLTaylor
Philosophical enquiry should be embedded within thewhole curriculum, to stimulate deeper thought andengagement with learning. #ukedchat.
20:30:11 davidErogers
RT @jackieschneider: @davidErogers - that is a REALdanger. Way too much "can u guess what I want u 2say? #ukedchat
20:30:18 web20education
Please Be Sociable.Share on #facebook #googleplus#linkedin #socialmedia #curation articlehttp://t.co/paQv1af3 #edchat #ukedchat #toolschat
20:30:18 travelgeordie
My students love projects and exhibiting work improves
engagement and quality. Cross curricular or remove
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traditional subjects #ukedchat
20:30:25 oldandrewuk
@dandesignthink Yes. It's place is when there isn't acompetent teacher available. It's first aid, not medicine.#ukedchat
20:30:30 JL3001 RT @timbuckteeth: The future of classroomshttp://t.co/GpaaaZjh #edchat #ukedchat
20:30:33 BrightAire
They're too scared. It's about moving in a controlled way,and probably slowly. Teacher always remains "realleader" #ukedchat #apparentrisk
20:30:36 PeterSpencer88@GaryAveryITT or any teachers for that matter?#ukedchat
20:30:39 RevErasmus
#ukedchat why either passive recipient or leadinglearning? Is there no middle ground? Get a grip people,
another manufactured argument.20:30:45 HeyMissSmith
@danielharvey9 @cherrylkd Children need to know whois in control of the lesson #ukedchat
20:30:48 davidErogers
@jackieschneider Exactly - and all we do is increase therisk of total faliure when they don;'t give the 'right' answer#ukedchat
20:30:55 oldandrewukRT @janboo: @oldandrewuk #ukedchat Agree with youAndrew - total nonsense
20:30:55 DrJohnLTaylor Philosophical teaching gets students thinking for
themselves. http://t.co/NVS6wvZh #ukedchat
20:31:05 Sarah__wright1
#ukedchat Does PLL allow pupils more ownership oftheir learning? Do you think it increases intrinsicmotivation or interest?
20:31:10 Showmyhomework
@jackieschneider a bit of both. I think #patience ismissing today. Learners want the answers quickly. Thejourney is just as key #ukedchat
20:31:15 oldandrewuk @lizzie_h18 Nope. I didn't forget. #ukedchat
20:31:15 bellaale
RT @RevErasmus: #ukedchat why either passiverecipient or leading learning? Is there no middle ground?Get a grip people, another manufa ...
20:31:16 Pekabelo
@jackieschneider: Think about important important stuffYOU have learned - were you passive recipient or didyou lead? #ukedchat >>YES!
20:31:20 bekblayton
RT @RevErasmus: #ukedchat why either passiverecipient or leading learning? Is there no middle ground?Get a grip people, another manufa ...
20:31:39 Sarah__wright1
RT @jackieschneider: Think about important importantstuff YOU have learned - were you passive recipient ordid you lead? #ukedchat
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20:31:48 familysimpson
#ukedchat getting pupils excited about a topic, allowingthem to develop questions to investigate and shareresults.
20:31:55 thingsbehindsunConduct the odd lesson or prep on Twitter. It can work
#ukedchat
20:31:55 benking01
RT @ChrisChivers2: #ukedchat Set clear tasks,appropriate resources, some independent, somescaffolded support, some taught. Evaluate. L ...
20:31:57 mrpeel
@DrJohnLTaylor although Socrates led all the dialogue#ukedchat surely balance is the key. Value digressionand exploration but need focus.
20:31:58 SarahLearns
RT @ukedchat: Under 2 hours until #ukedchat @8pmwith @Sarah__Wright1: 'Handing over the reins. How do
you implement pupil led learning ...
20:31:58 MissLapere
Anyone read Alfie Kohn's 'The Homework Myth'?Homework's been a hot topic in our staffroom recently!#uked #ukedchat
20:32:01 nicoladarling78 @lizzie_h18 if only you weren't so far away :) #ukedchat
20:32:03 DHESolutionsLtd@jackieschneider agree! The Eiffel Tower is in...anyone,anyone....starts with P....anyone? #UKedchat
20:32:08 oldandrewuk
@GaryAveryITT #ukedchat Because of ideology.Progressives have long since discovered the only way to
blind people to the facts is to...
20:32:26 danielharvey9
@GaryAveryITT#ukedchatAnyone know anybody helping gove design curriculum
20:32:27 ward_lj
RT @DebbieHolley1: @DrJohnLTaylor #ukedchat andwe don't know what the skills are children will need - soindependent learning increasin ...
20:32:29 jackieschneider
Recently started to learn piano cos I wanted to but Iemploy EXCELLENT teacher I trust & follow herguidance EXACTLY #ukedchat
20:32:29 BrightAire
@davidErogers - yes. The aim is always to developleadership capacity. Difficult if kids not given opportunity.#ukedchat
20:32:40 DebbieHolley1
RT @DrJohnLTaylor: Philosophical teaching getsstudents thinking for themselves. http://t.co/NVS6wvZh#ukedchat
20:32:48 StuartLock@ewanmcintosh In fact, that table contradicts yourargument thoroughly #ukedchat
20:32:53 urban_teacher
#ukedchat As teachers we are mindful if someone
passes our door and there is chaos we are failing but not
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20:32:56 cherrylkd
@benking01 @heymisssmith True. I'm not a fan of PLL.Margin for error is too great. Scaffolding is a must#ukedchat
20:33:16 ShowmyhomeworkRT @danielharvey9: @GaryAveryITT#ukedchatAnyone know anybody helping gove design curriculum
20:33:17 familysimpson#ukedchat structuring tasks so they require problemsolving or different approaches to learning #challenge
20:33:18 oldandrewuk
@GaryAveryITT #ukedchat ...talk as if their opinionswere actually based on expertise. PLL is just one of theirmany types of snake oil.
20:33:18 dialogicreading
@mrpeel @DrJohnLTaylor It's Zone of Proximal
Development vs Intermental Development Zone. Bothare things of beauty #ukedchat
20:33:19 nicoladarling78
@bramleyapplecc I experienced it being used almostdaily across the whole school but since then I've notreally experienced. #ukedchat
20:33:23 thingsbehindsunEncourage pupils to blog, either on their own or as aclass blog #ukedchat
20:33:28 Sarah__wright1
RT @cherrylkd: @benking01 @heymisssmith True. I'mnot a fan of PLL. Margin for error is too great. Scaffolding
is a must #ukedchat
20:33:30 bellaale
RT @Sarah__wright1: #ukedchat Does PLL allow pupilsmore ownership of their learning? Do you think itincreases intrinsic motivation or ...
20:33:34 Julian3576
#ukedchat This my old class during pupil led projectbased upon house design morphed into Tudor shipwrecksalvage: http://t.co/KdYpzRLe
20:33:37 ChrisChivers2
#ukedchat Teachers are the lead thinkers in a classroom,sometimes direct teaching, sometimes active guide,sometimes support and mentor.
20:33:47 bekblayton
I'd like to hear about real projects/enquiry led learning,teacher led but built with pupil interests...just if..If youhave time #ukedchat
20:33:53 danielharvey9
@HeyMissSmith @cherrylkd#ukedchatBut what we are talking about is what the students aredoing and learning that's all
20:33:59 HeyMissSmith
@cherrylkd @benking01 Sometimes I let then 'playteacher' lasts 5 minutes then children are screaming for
me to take charge! :D #ukedchat
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20:34:05 Sarah__wright1
RT @urban_teacher: #ukedchat As teachers we aremindful if someone passes our door and there is chaoswe are failing but not the case i ...
20:34:06 StuartLock @davidhunter can probably subscribe to that #ukedchat
20:34:07 nicoladarling78RT @jackieschneider: Think about important importantstuff YOU have learned - were you passive recipient ordid you lead? #ukedchat
20:34:20 rgreen_SMUC
RT @ChrisChivers2: #ukedchat Teachers are the leadthinkers in a classroom, sometimes direct teaching,sometimes active guide, sometimes ...
20:34:23 oldandrewuk @Mr_Chas #ukedchat Only disbelief.
20:34:25 MrsThorne
@davidErogers agree - I had great success w/ y9 doingthis. Lessons planned on what they identified as
necessary to answer the Q #ukedchat
20:34:27 davidhunter
@danielharvey9 @GaryAveryITT I thought the point wasthat everyone he got on the design committee he ignored#ukedchat
20:34:27 MrsPTeach What about PIL (Pupil Inspired Learning)? #ukedchat
20:34:30 climbdg5PLL: GCSE group co-constructing whole unit? SLTlukewarm tho! :-) #ukedchat
20:34:35 Wonderacademy#ukedchat There's a clue in the title pupil-led learning:some classes will need leadership. http://t.co/4ZanX5kW
20:34:39 jackieschneider I love practising the piano but if some interfering teacherstarted assessing for their own targets I would refuse toplay #ukedchat
20:34:41 BrightAire
@davidErogers - yes. If that's what they think they'vedone too. Done well to develop such confidence in theirown leadership. #ukedchat
20:34:54 pibbott
@jackieschneider #ukedchat Pretty much told everythingimportant. Didn't listen though and found out for myself.#storyofmylife
20:34:57 davidErogers
@MrsThorne And it means you often cover some reallyinteresting stuff too that you may have overlookedotherwise #ukedchat
20:35 mrgibbenglish
@Sarah__wright1: #ukedchat // as long as task ismeaningful, engaging&allows learners2explore theirinterests within it, PLL def raises it!
20:35 Sarah__wright1
RT @Julian3576: #ukedchat This my old class duringpupil led project based upon house design morphed intoTudor shipwreck salvage: http: ...
20:35:05 ewanmcintosh
.@StuartLock A teacher-led classroom has no place forfeedback beyond grades, appreciation of EVERY kids'
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cog ability... #ukedchat
20:35:05 Teachric
Once again #ukedchat is LOL. Who picks these pollchoices? How about "how can we as teachers forceSLT's to listen to us?"
20:35:12 Sarah__wright1RT @ChrisChivers2: #ukedchat Teachers are the leadthinkers in a classroom, sometimes direct teaching,sometimes active guide, sometimes ...
20:35:21 nicoladarling78
@DrJohnLTaylor I'm really looking forward to gettingback into p4c this term... Going to try and introduce intothis school #ukedchat
20:35:22 cherrylkd
@danielharvey9 @heymisssmith I need 2 be told what 2learn, and then get on and do it. Teacher led first, & chlearn this way too #ukedchat
20:35:25 tstarkey1212 RT @ChrisChivers2: #ukedchat Teachers are the leadthinkers in a classroom, sometimes direct teaching,sometimes active guide, sometimes ...
20:35:28 jackieschneider
RT @pibbott: @jackieschneider #ukedchat Pretty muchtold everything important. Didn't listen though and foundout for myself. #storyofmylife
20:35:32 ChrisChivers2
#ukedchat Task setting is hypothesis. I think you can dothis... Teachers are classroom researchers.http://t.co/TGBcY6at
20:35:34 MrsThorne @davidErogers was a great test of my questioning skillsto tease out what they needed as well as wanted, butthey had ownership #ukedchat
20:35:38 dialogicreading
@HeyMissSmith @cherrylkd More you do it, better theywill get surely? Need to develop that trusting atmosphere#ukedchat #dontcallmeshirley
20:35:47 EBridgeAfr
RT @ChrisChivers2: #ukedchat Teachers are the leadthinkers in a classroom, sometimes direct teaching,sometimes active guide, sometimes ...
20:35:55 oldandrewuk
@mrpeel #ukedchat Not really. It's just that secondaryteachers spend so much time undoing the damage theysoon realise they need to teach.
20:35:55 JackcabnoryCan't wait to be able til I can make a full contribution to#ukedchat - need to study my ass off
20:35:56 Teachric
As usual @oldandrewuk has taken the nail and smashedit completely to smithereens with his tweets during#ukedchat
20:35:57 ewanmcintosh
.@StuartLock A teacher-led classroom doesn't careabout remediation or the disposition to learn. It's ALL abt
direct quality inst #ukedchat
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with which to build on. Without this will learners be ableto cope with PLL? #ukedchat
20:37:22 davidErogers
@MrsThorne Yes - you can work on the quality ofstudents' own questions too #ukedchat which is essential
in geographical enquiry
20:37:34 oldandrewuk
@edidaktik #ukedchat Dewey was a cock-eyed optimist.He thought boys playing football organised themselveswithout a hierarchy.
20:37:37 jackieschneider
Why do schools make such heavy weather of it? Kidscome to us at 4 full of ideas, passion, solutions &massive thirst 4 knowledge #ukedchat
20:37:39 dialogicreading @Sarah__wright1 Mercer 2008 says Yes #ukedchat20:37:46 HalLRoberts @syded06 makes my heart hurt #ukedchat
20:37:50 bramleyapplecc RT @ChrisChivers2: #ukedchat Teachers are the leadthinkers in a classroom, sometimes direct teaching,sometimes active guide, sometimes ...
20:37:51 mrpeel
@oldandrewuk #ukedchat I do feel that pain! Believe me!But always need some room to explore and digress-that's all
20:37:51 SarahLearnsOff colour tonight, but wanted to add. PLL is not all ornothing. Collaboration is important. #ukedchat
20:37:51 climbdg5
Pedagogy:from Greek "to lead the child". Herein lies the
truth. PLL=pupils leading pupils. #ukedchat#dropedujargon
20:37:52 DebbieHolley1
RT @ChrisChivers2: #ukedchat Teachers are the leadthinkers in a classroom, sometimes direct teaching,sometimes active guide, sometimes ...
20:37:52 katzb21 @MissLapere great point! #ukedchat
20:37:53 Teachric
RT @DCallanIT: A collection of scratch resourceshttp://t.co/piGlxNFU #scratched #scratch #ictcurric#edchat #edtech #ukedchat #niedchat ...
20:37:56 familysimpson#ukedchat so what is the difference between PLL andPBL?
20:38 Sarah__wright1
RT @davidErogers: Read this journey and then tell methat there's no room for pupil led learninghttp://t.co/VBmotn6y #ukedchat
20:38:01 tstarkey1212@PeterSpencer88 @jackieschneider But sometimes,without instruction, you plateau. #ukedchat
20:38:06 travelgeordie
Students should go to school to practice learningdispositions and habits to prepare them for a future thatis changing #ukedchat
20:38:16 Showmyhomework RT @Teachric: Once again #ukedchat is LOL. Who picks
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20:38:22 SarahLearnsWe only have to watch children play to see the potential.#ukedchat
20:38:22 davidErogersOur young people resdesign and evaluate our curriculum@priorygeography and co-plan lessons with teachers.Pupil Led Learning. #ukedchat
20:38:25 bellaale
RT @ChrisChivers2: #ukedchat Set clear tasks,appropriate resources, some independent, somescaffolded support, some taught. Evaluate. L ...
20:38:26 ICTmagic
RT @SarahLearns: Off colour tonight, but wanted to add.PLL is not all or nothing. Collaboration is important.#ukedchat
20:38:29 StuartLock @ewanmcintosh Says who? Not in my classroom. WhichI lead. #ukedchat
20:38:29 ewanmcintoshSorry I have to jump out of #ukedchat - fascinatingdiscussion but wailing kids need help getting to bed :-)
20:38:34 oldandrewuk@PeterSpencer88 #ukedchat Yes. If the knowledge is inthe teacher, let them share it.
20:38:36 DebbieHolley1
RT @davidErogers: Read this journey and then tell methat there's no room for pupil led learninghttp://t.co/VBmotn6y #ukedchat
20:38:39 bellaale RT @bramleyapplecc: #ukedchat understanding thatsometimes we need to lead, sometimes listen,sometimes challenge and more often pause a ...
20:38:39 StuartLock
RT @Teachric: Once again #ukedchat is LOL. Who picksthese poll choices? How about "how can we as teachersforce SLT's to listen to us?"
20:38:48 SarahLearns Also, the UNCRC applies here. #ukedchat
20:38:54 davidErogers
Our young people write school wide policies that shapethe quality of their education. Pupil Led Learning#ukedchat
20:38:55 mrgibbenglish
PLL framework should be flexible enough4learners, espw/assigned (either by teacher or pupil) roles to exploreown interests #ukedchat
20:38:55 garycorbett7#ukedchat enquiry should be promoted in all lessons.Developing thinking skills are important
20:38:55 HeyMissSmith @oldandrewuk @mrpeel What damage? #ukedchat
20:39:04 benking01
@Sarah__wright1 When students are left to be fullyindependent, without any scaffolding, most will fail; that'sNOT how to do it! #ukedchat
20:39:15 jackieschneider @PeterSpencer88 - without my wanting to learn the
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teacher would have been useless. But I need her badlyto make progress #ukedchat
20:39:19 mrpeel
@SurrealAnarchy @drjohnltaylor #ukedchat but theyseemed to come back for more. Mind you if we all faced
OFSTED with Socrates calmness...
20:39:21 davidErogers
My main point is that we need to stop thinking of learningas something that happens in classrooms at all.#ukedchat
20:39:23 benking01RT @davidErogers: The nursery my 3 yr old goes to haspupil led learning. It's called play ;-) #ukedchat
20:39:32 oldandrewuk
@cristinataboada @frogphilp #ukedchat Teachingchildren to be creative is like teaching them to breathe,excrete or pick on the fat kid.
20:39:37 travelgeordie @familysimpson: #ukedchat so what is the differencebetween PLL and PBL? PLL is students asking thequestions PBL working towards exhibit
20:39:38 bramleyapplecc
#ukedchat the social health of the class must beconsidered. Scaffolds can be tight then get looser asresponsibility is taken on.
20:39:47 ewanmcintosh
.@StuartLock Jolly good to that sliding scale in actionthere ;-) You're confident in finding that balance. Feware. #ukedchat
20:39:47 rkieran @bekblayton #ukedchat Come and visit. It is a thing ofbeauty. #mantleoftheexpert
20:39:49 benking01
RT @DebbieHolley1: @DrJohnLTaylor #ukedchat andwe don't know what the skills are children will need - soindependent learning increasin ...
20:39:50 StuartLock@urban_teacher So you don't need to go to work anymore? #ukedchat
20:39:56 oldandrewuk@cristinataboada @frogphilp #ukedchat Why not teachthem things they don't already know how to do?
20:39:58 dialogicreading
@ewanmcintosh #ukedchat Explicitly instruct them tosleep and they will do so. Otherwise they wont knowwhat to do when tired. Apparently
20:39:59 urban_teacher
@StuartLock Good Point! As teachers we need to stopplaying it safe! To please the higher powers#notplayingthegame #ukedchat
20:40 wilderwoman1
@travelgeordie multidisciplinary subjects such as MediaStudies allow students to lead and run with productionwork #ukedchat
20:40:03 jackieschneider
@tstarkey1212 @PeterSpencer88 - EXACTLY! I need
her expertise but only becos I am motivated myself!
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#ukedchat
20:40:06 Sarah__wright1
#ukedchat Is pupil led learning 'brave' teaching, forexample, would you incorporate aspects of PLL into anobservation lesson?
20:40:07 nicoladarling78 @mrlockyer @mrsprentice11 @kathrinedavies I love it!#ukedchat
20:40:08 Julian3576
#ukedchat: Pupil led learning is making elephants,finding out they escape & wondering why some havebecome heavy: http://t.co/BBtMx4Tu
20:40:14 danielharvey9
@cherrylkd @heymisssmith#ukedchatAgreed for any topic clarification of content is teacherresponsibility
But how they get there
20:40:14 MissMidgley
I ran takeover day, and students get to decide whattopics are taught and how we 'do' them. They love it!#ukedchat
20:40:24 ChrisChivers2
#ukedchat Pupils developing as Learners takes time, wellordered classrooms, clarity of direction, space and timeto explore. Watch EYFS.
20:40:28 DebbieHolley1
RT @DrJohnLTaylor: A guide to using a philosophicalapproach to help students learn to think for themselves.http://t.co/OLehElxX #ukedchat
20:40:28 BrightAire
@oldandrewuk - is yr prob with pupil-led learn - 1.Fundamental/philosiphical, 2. Semantic, 3. How it'spracticed, 4. Somat else? #ukedchat
20:40:34 davidErogers
@misslkelly There are a few more now - I should puttogether a list but I'm pants at being organised!!#ukedchat there's someone at Girls sc
20:40:35 ewanmcintosh
.@StuartLock The work I'm interested in is seekingspecific tools, tactics and whole-school strategies thatmake lrn better #ukedchat
20:40:36 Sarah__wright1
RT @SarahLearns: Off colour tonight, but wanted to add.PLL is not all or nothing. Collaboration is important.#ukedchat
20:40:37 ChrisChivers2
RT @DebbieHolley1: @DrJohnLTaylor #ukedchat andwe don't know what the skills are children will need - soindependent learning increasin ...
20:40:40 bekblaytonRT @rkieran: @bekblayton #ukedchat Come and visit. Itis a thing of beauty. #mantleoftheexpert
20:40:45 HeyMissSmith
@dialogicreading @cherrylkd Even in an atmosphere of
complete trust children want guidance from their teacher.
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#ukedchat
20:40:45 GaryAveryITT
OfstedFramework doesn't mention PLL but uses thephrase -often inspirational teaching strategies, engagedand motivated children. #UKEdChat
20:40:57 thingsbehindsun*only* in classrooms - agreed RT @davidErogers weneed to stop thinking of learning as something thathappens in classrooms at all #ukedchat
20:41:08 cherrylkd
@danielharvey9 @heymisssmith Think we may bebasically arguing same point. It's a strange #ukedchattonight
20:41:10 jackieschneider
RT @ChrisChivers2: #ukedchat Pupils developing asLearners takes time, well ordered classrooms, clarity ofdirection, space and time to ...
20:41:11 Sarah__wright1 RT @davidErogers: Our young people write school widepolicies that shape the quality of their education. PupilLed Learning #ukedchat
20:41:13 GaryAveryITT Is PLL an inspirational teaching strategy? #UKEdChat
20:41:13 davidErogers
@hawkins_joyce And look at the resultshttp://t.co/VBmotn6y I only guided and supported - theyeven bossed me about at the end #ukedchat
20:41:14 Pekabelo
@oldandrewuk @cristinataboada @frogphilp it's notabout teaching them, it's about giving them the
opportunity to be creative. #ukedchat
20:41:14 web20education
Pls rt 2012 year in review #mentormob web tour withover 100 #socialmedia #startup #edtoolshttp://t.co/hl1TSrtU #edchat #tlchat #ukedchat
20:41:14 ewanmcintosh
.@StuartLock You know from Hattie's work that ANYteacher input will help. I'm interested in those whichteachers struggle w/ most #ukedchat
20:41:16 preevyet
RT @oldandrewuk: #ukedchat The autonomous child leftto discover the world by the progressive teacher is notbased on anything other tha ...
20:41:26 wilderwoman1@travelgeordie...and they both apply AND challengeconceptual and practical frameworks #ukedchat
20:41:29 StuartLock
There are fixed whiteboards (one for each group) andmarker pens (to use desks as a whiteboard) in myclassroom. #ukedchat
20:41:37 GaryAveryITT @Pekabelo That I like! :o) #UKEdChat
20:41:38 TLABerkhamsted
@bekblayton One example can be found here although itdoes not go as far as others appear to want:http://t.co/VwgNmyMR #ukedchat
20:41:41 ewanmcintosh .@StuartLock Those ones happen to be the tactics on
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that list that involve students taking more control#ukedchat
20:41:45 A_Weatherall
I want to block #ukedchat from my timeline tonight. Notbecause of topic but because of lack of nuanced
discussion. All or nothing. Pah!
20:41:50 Sarah__wright1
RT @bramleyapplecc: #ukedchat the social health of theclass must be considered. Scaffolds can be tight then getlooser as responsibilit ...
20:41:55 ewanmcintosh
MT @MissLapere: Guy Claxton's work especially thebuilding learning power has been influential in myclassroom. It's practical #ukedchat
20:41:57 preevyet
RT @oldandrewuk: #ukedchat The greatest effect onlearning stems from teacher feedback and direct
instruction.
20:42:01 StuartLock
Students can work through problems collaboratively, andoften do #ukedchat - and often questions they've askedbased on my teaching
20:42:08 JackWmediaRT @GrahamBM: How would you design a classroom?http://t.co/8bKoixOf #edchat #UKedchat (12 min vid)
20:42:11 urban_teacher @StuartLock I that's the aim lol #ukedchat
20:42:20 dialogicreading
@HeyMissSmith @cherrylkd Up to a point. But nothingwrong with free-exploration or you risk causing dysplay
#coloradopaper #ukedchat20:42:22 bramleyapplecc
RT @rkieran: @bekblayton #ukedchat Come and visit. Itis a thing of beauty. #mantleoftheexpert
20:42:26 davidErogers
@thingsbehindsun Thank you. It's frustrating that we limitour discussions and thoughts to the classroom level.#ukedchat
20:42:29 Os190
Is the modern day pupil all too quick to trust internetresources? Research is a bit more than just tapping intoGoogle or wiki #ukedchat
20:42:35 StuartLock
And they can all be working on different aspects atdifferent difficulty. They can also be asked to explore aconcept #ukedchat
20:42:37 danielharvey9
@cherrylkd @heymisssmith#ukedchat surely that's the important thingObjective evidence suggests it can have a big impact onlearning
20:42:39 Stephen_Logan
RT @davidErogers: My main point is that we need tostop thinking of learning as something that happens inclassrooms at all. #ukedchat
20:42:41 Sarah__wright1 RT @MissMidgley: I ran takeover day, and students get
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to decide what topics are taught and how we 'do' them.They love it! #ukedchat
20:42:41 cristinataboada
@oldandrewuk @frogphilp I didn't suggest teachingthem, I suggested 'supporting' them. Some children need
help doing all three! #ukedchat
20:42:50 nicoladarling78
@bramleyapplecc I did enjoy it and to some extent willbe starting to in my next topic... Will see how it goes#ukedchat
20:42:51 dialogicreading@A_Weatherall #ukedchat 140 characters to fix thecurriculum innit
20:42:57 oldandrewuk
@RobAnthony01 Some people saw their own arm off toescape from a crevice. Doesn't mean being helped bymountain rescue is bad. #ukedchat
20:43:02 StuartLock But all of those are clearly planned and directed (ie led)by me, the teacher. #ukedchat
20:43:07 MargHatfieldOh no, all this facilitator cr*p rearing its misinformed headagain! #ukedchat
20:43:08 urban_teacher @pibbott @StuartLock Good Point! Tell the SLT Teamthat! #ukedchat
20:43:27 ICTmagic
@A_Weatherall Agreed. I think it is one of those topicswhere you are passionately for or against pupil ledlearning. Alas! #ukedchat
20:43:28 cherrylkd @dialogicreading Sorry, I'm still agreeing with@HeyMissSmith Guidance needed even when trust isthere #ukedchat
20:43:31 jackieschneider @davidhunter - there parents do! #ukedchat
20:43:38 MrsThorne
@A_Weatherall I know. I feel a bit sorry for the peoplewho voted for this topic and aren't getting any help with it#ukedchat
20:43:39 aknillRT @davidErogers: The nursery my 3 yr old goes to haspupil led learning. It's called play ;-) #ukedchat
20:43:39 travelgeordie
@ewanmcintosh: MT @MissLapere: Guy Claxtons workis great for a shared language easy for students andfacilitators #ukedchat
20:43:43 tstarkey1212@jackieschneider @PeterSpencer88 I think motivation,in all things, is key in learner led. #ukedchat
20:43:43 cristinataboada@Pekabelo @oldandrewuk @frogphilp Exactly!#ukedchat
20:43:45 ChrisChivers2
#ukedchat Criterion based expectations show thedirection of travel, guide in-lesson discussion andsupports evaluation. group/individual
20:43:46 davidErogers @Stephen_Logan Nail on the head. How many projects
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20:43:49 Julian3576
#ukedchat sorry... working link for Tudor house projectthat lead to Aztec treasure found in shipwreck:
http://t.co/Cll1sosP
20:44 simonrockett
#ukedchat It's been interesting tonight, esp since I'mcurrently 6000 words into an MA essay on this very topic.see http://t.co/72Sww09K
20:44:05 londongary
RT @Julian3576: #ukedchat: Pupil led learning is makingelephants, finding out they escape & wondering whysome have become heavy: h ...
20:44:23 davidErogers
RT @Julian3576: #ukedchat sorry... working link forTudor house project that lead to Aztec treasure found in
shipwreck: http://t.co/Cll1sosP
20:44:23 davidhunter
IDEA: Chn choose topic.Run project.Teach how to:research,d