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Bill Gross Warns China Is The Mystery Meat OfEmerging Markets
Submitted by Tyler Durden on 02042014 2130 -0500
Bill Gross Bond Brazil China Federal Reserve Global Economy
Investment Grade New Normal PIMCO Quantitative Easing Reflexivity
Total Return Fund Turkey Volatility
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Financial systems are unstable with excessive risk-taking
warns PIMCOs now solo guru Bill Gross telling Bloomberg TVs
Stephanie Ruhle that in a Soros reflexivity Once you get the
levered system going it hardly knows when and where to stop
Credit as we have noted has been relatively more stable (though less
positive on the the way up) Gross notes and the way to get rich in
the past was to borrow money and to lever [up] but Gross explains
that now assets are artificially priced from this point forward
double-digit returns getting rich on leverage no You better look
elsewhere for ndash for your profits and not Asia China is the mystery
meat of emerging market countries Gross cautions nobody knows
whatrsquos there and therersquos a little bit of baloney
CHINA `MYSTERY MEAT OF EMERGING MARKETS
ERA OF GETTING RICH QUICKLY IS OVER
ERA OF GETTING RICH SLOWLY IS ALSO OVER
INVESTORS SHOULD PREPARE FOR MORE VOLATILITY
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ERIK SCHATZKER I think wersquove got to start in the most obvious of
places Why are risk assets correcting What in your opinion is
behind the sell off
STEPHANIE RUHLE Why arenrsquot we seeing that kind of volatility in
the credit markets Yesterday Hyundai did an investment grade deal
and it blew out while I look at equities in emerging markets and
theyrsquore suffering Why is everyone still piling into credit
SCHATZKER Bill what happens next Would you call this just a bump
in the road or have markets made a detour and wersquore going to go down
this new road for a while
BILL GROSS Well risk assets financial systems are
unstable with excessive risk taking on one hand and
low returns on the other which in turn encourages
more risk taking Itrsquos sort of like Sorosrsquo reflexivity
Once you get the levered system going it hardly
knows when and where to stop And so thatrsquos what
wersquore seeing We have a highly levered global financial
system with hedged positions that are moving back and
forth based on emerging market countries and their
growth rates or expected growth rates And when those
change then positions change And as levered positions
change yoursquove got a lot of volatility and reflexivity as
Mr Soros would have said
GROSS Well credit is higher up on the stability
hierarchy I suppose Stephanie It ndash it usually is thought
of as a flight to quality not necessarily corporate bonds
or high-yield bonds but treasury bonds And when
investors want to park money in a supposedly safe haven
and we know that bonds arenrsquot necessarily safe all the
time they werenrsquot in 2013 but thatrsquos where money goes
Money comes back to the center so to speak of the
global financial network And the center at the
moment are one two three developed countries
That certainly includes the United States And so we
see treasuries being bought treasury rates coming down
under the assumption that the Federal Reserve will stay
put for perhaps a long long time
GROSS Well I think we will for a while Erik meaning for a
long long time Wersquove talked about this with the new
normal The new normal really didnrsquot apply to the equity
market last year did it Thirty percent was certainly
not normal But what we see going forward is a global
marketplace and a global economy where growth is
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SCHATZKER Bill is that to say that nothing else has yet gotten
cheap enough to tempt you
RUHLE All right Mystery meat is disgusting I remember my high
school cafeteria Tell us what investors are doing in terms of inflows
and outflows Theyrsquove gotten very spoiled in the last couple of years
with all the central bank intervention Itrsquos been very cushy So this
week your phone is ringing and what are they saying
And to the extent that financial asset prices like stocks
and other risk assets have anticipated that growth
rate thatrsquos always a subjective judgement And it was
six to eight weeks ago To the extent that that growth
rate comes down then risk assets become at risk and
more volatility So I think itrsquos all dependent upon a growth
rate on the global economy And certainly in the United
States we saw some bad numbers over the past few
days and we wonder whether or not that 3 percent
growth rate in 2014 is for real
So look at growth and look at inflation by the way for
an indicator in terms of where the Fed goes Because
as we know where the Fed goes where quantitative
easing goes and tapering and ultimately the policy rate
which is critical where that goes is dependent upon not
just growth but inflation And so the inflation target
numbers that we see close to 1 percent are clearly
indicative of where bonds might rest and ultimately where
stocks might go as well
GROSS Well therersquos no doubt that emerging markets
are getting cheaper The problem is emerging markets
have problems Take examples such as Brazil and Turkey
These are countries with widening current account
deficits These are countries which by necessity in order
to stabilize their currency have to raise interest rates and
put their economy at risk in terms of slower growth So
the question becomes whether a 13 percent three-
year rate in Brazil relative to a 10 percent policy rate
is an attractive situation We think itrsquos getting there
Brazil is not going anywhere in terms of straight
downhill Itrsquos a country on the move so to speak and an
important emerging market country but to a certain
extent itrsquos a fair question as to whether prices have been
adequately discounting the slower growth that I speak to
I think wersquore beginning to get there The last wild card
Erik in terms of emerging market space obviously is
China Is it 6 percent Is it 7 percent Is it 5 percent I
call China the mystery meat of emerging market
countries Nobody knows whatrsquos there and therersquos a
little bit of baloney so wersquore just going to have to
wonder going forward through this year as to the
potential problems in China and other emerging
markets
GROSS Well theyrsquore saying we want safety in
principal This is a Will Rodgers idea Stephanie back in
the lsquo30s Not so much concerned about the return on my
money as the return of my money What product does
that represent in terms of that possibility Something with
a relatively short duration and something with relatively
short credit risk or credit spreads Unconstrained bond
funds are one example at PIMCO that are garnering a
lot of attention Irsquove been managing that recently and
itrsquos doing really well
The total return fund is doing really well Itrsquos up 15 to 2
percent for the month with some good stability and
prospects for inflows So bonds are back Theyrsquore not all
the way back and I doubt theyrsquoll get all the way back
to the point of 16 18 months ago in which interest
rates in the 10-year was at 165 But bonds have a ndash
have a stable position in almost all portfolios if only
for diversification So unconstrained bond funds lower
duration bond funds diversified income equities at some
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point At PIMCO yes wersquore promoting equities as well
and so therersquos a place for all of them
One last point though I think the era of getting rich
quickly is over and I think almost that the era of
getting rich slowly is over too And so investors should
simply bring down their return estimations and
prepare for a little bit of volatility going forward
GROSS Well not many The way to get rich in the past
was to borrow money and to lever hedge funds and
levered corporate situations in terms of buyouts et
cetera et cetera or to buy the stock market in 2013
which itself is a levered type of investment Corporations
borrow 40 to 50 percent of their balance sheet They
lever up and you can buy equities in a levered type of
situation So leverage over the past 20 to 30 years
Stephanie has really produced this total return high
return type of investment market that investors have
grown used to Pension funds think 7 8 9 percent is
what they should expect which means 4 percent from
bonds and 12 percent from stocks Not going to happen
because basically wersquove been priced into the market
Assets are artificially priced And from this point
forward double-digit returns getting rich on
leverage no You better look elsewhere for ndash for your
profits
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fijisailor
The latest Snowden
interview with German TV
httplibertyblitzkriegcom20140204video-of-the-day-edward-
snowdens
macholatte
China is the Predator of Planet Earth Everyone else is
mystery meat
Leveraged Algorithm
The
unconstrained
bond funds are the
mystery meat Full of derivatives and will suffer huge
losses when Kyle Bass has the Japan default High yield
short duration - are you fucking nuts Get ready
Wahooo
Yep They
cook up
shit and they dont
even know whats
in it
Boris
Alatovkrap
Boris is
one
time
travel in China Food is get very very boring and
more is grotesque One day restaurant is serve very
delicious meat dish Boris is ask waiter what is
inside but Boris is forget dictionary at hotel in room
so just nod head Other dinner guest is also enjoy
so we are order more and more until so stuffing
cannot move from table So sit and talk sit and talk
very laughter gregarious moment After hour or so
Boris is once again hungry and is remembering
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delicious meat dish so is put on full plate and start
eat again Big mistake Now is cool off as Boris is
take bite is realization meat is not meat but is deep
fry testicle sack
No no Boris just kidding Actually is deep fry pork
fat But is grotesque and now Boris is can never
again to eat China epicurean
TheGoldMyth
Boris you could ask for your money
back from The Peoples Bank of China
Take deep fry testicle sack to owner
(Central bank PBC ) and convert back into
Yen
TheGoldMyth
Wahoo
Exactly like
America where GMO want to remove labeling so
people do not know if product is GM or not Nobody
would know what organism they are eatingIt could
be genetically modifiedengineered chicken
fetus pate and the labeling wouldnt say so It
might be sold as Chicken Spread
What is in cooked up in financial product is no
different
Leveraged Algorithm
Bill is fighting
to keep assets
as Pimco
implodesMost work he has done in years
TheGoldMyth
macholatte
You need to
look more
closely at who owns the country or governs it This is
usually a central bank
In modern times governments and countries are not
souvereign instead they are privatisedowned by their
respective central banks that dictate to the governments
what they want to happen Policy and so forth The word
China or the word America are owned by a private
central bank One day country names will be removed
to avoid the confusing people like yourself For instance
America will be called simply FED Another example is
Greece where instead of telling someone (In order to
impress) that you are going to the greek islands for a
holiday you would say i am going to the JP Morgan
islands -)
EDIT OopsMIstake China would be called The Peoples
Bank of China so people going on holdiays there would
say HeyI am going to The Peoples Bank of China
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or PBC for a holiday
From Wikipedia
The Peoples Bank of China (PBC or PBOC) is the central
bank of the Peoples Republic of China with the power to
control monetary policy and regulate financial institutions in
mainland China The Peoples Bank of China has the most
financial assets of any single public finance institution in
history[2]
The Dunce
China has been
blowing up for forever and a day Yet it keeps chugging
on Im not holding my breath Doomsday will happen
when the sun starts burning hydrogen in another 10 billion
years Until then we should be OK
Skateboarder
Skip to 1130
Something weird about this guy
PGR88
Its his hair-cut
The Left side
goes well over
his ear but the right side is very short
With his money you would think he could afford a decent
hair-cut
steve2241
Im not sure
what youre
referring to
but its been reported in the media that he takes medicine
for epilepsy
Tim_
Whether itrsquos
provided I
canrsquot speak to until itrsquos
been reported because it would be classified and I prefer
that journalists make the distinctions and the decisions
about what is public interest and what should be published
(Source)
I donrsquot want to pre-empt the editorial decisions of
journalists but what I will say is therersquos no question that the
US is engaged in economic spying (Source)
However as Irsquove said before I prefer for journalists to make
those decisions in advance review the material themselves
and decide whether or not the public value of this
information outweighs the sort of reputational cost to the
officials that ordered the surveillance (Source)
stant
ides of march my
father was 7th armour my father inlaw 1st and 6th marinei
thank god for edwardi would rather be poor and free than live like
a slave
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Cacete de Ouro
The more time passes
the more likely it seems that Christopher Walken and Bill
Gross were actually separated at birth
The Gooch
moar gong
macholatte
more cowbell
httpwwwebaumsworldcomvideowatch628756
A Buttle
That is one smart
skeleton
AdvancingTime
Fast growth tends to
mask flaws and weakness within a system and China has
been growing like a weed for years To make things worse
many of the investment decisions were driven by politics This has
created massive overcapacity Money has been poorly allocated
and often shoveled into deep holes like ghost cities and bridges to
nowhere
Currently a 66 trillion dollar spending spree used as stimulus to
combat global economic slowdown is coming back to haunt China
This has greatly expanded credit and created huge overcapacity
during the past five years A massive debt crisis now looms in the
offing as companies struggle to repay loans taken on newly built
factories that sit idle because of weak demand More on this
subject below
httpbrucewildsblogspotcom201311china-land-of-
overcapacity-and-de
fijisailor
Its hard to
envision collapse in China with their huge share of the
market for nearly every manufactured item Go to any country
and simply view the assortment and quantity of products made
in China Mismanagement and inefficiency on one hand but
huge productive output on the other On top of that the
information coming out of China is not believable and very few
know whats going on within
FreeMktFisherMN
its their
proclivity to
save (and in
terms of PMs evidently) that has carried them They
understand the value of savings whereas Western nations
are about borrowing and consuming
TruthInSunshine
China is the mystery
meat Battered deep fried General Tsos Chicken
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Did it go Woof Woof Eeek Eeek Or Meow
NoDebt
Translation Im on
the wrong side of this and out of ideas
4shzl
Id guess this is his
usual head fake and that hes buying the 30-yr as fast
as he can
Dr Engali
I have a word for you
to consider Bill Retirement
syntaxterror
How much mystery
meat is in Bills bond fund that yields 275 Anyone even
care to guess
Cacete de Ouro
high yield =
extended quality = goat meat
disabledvet
I think if youre a bank
you can become more than rich restructuring debt and
getting those mines factories and energy plays moving
I agree it wont be easy though
Asset prices are all out of whack (no questions about California real
estate in this interview) and its really hard for me to see how we
get from here to there in the sense of being something other
than a speculator
A lot of risk on the table
Some of the losses over the past six months have been truly
spectacular
And the leverage these clowns are playing around with
well what other asset is left as far as capital appreciation goes
here
A drop in yields to one half of one percent on the thirty year would
make quite a statement
httpwwwyoutubecomwatchv=RcL6DwSufMI
Carl Popper
China is the country of
the future
and always will be
FredFlintstone
The future aint what
it used to be Yogi
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PGR88
ERA OF GETTING
RICH QUICKLY IS OVER
ERA OF GETTING RICH SLOWLY IS ALSO OVER
ERA OF GETTING POOR QUICKLY HAS BEGUN
chump666
Kinda makes me wonder
why Faber is suggesting the 10yr for safe-haven the bond
markets could be in for trouble if Asia starts implicating
capital controls to stop their currencies collapsing and outflows
despite this slowdown
Philippines 0402 GMT [Dow Jones] Bangko Sentral ng Pilipinas
will raise overnight interest rates by 50 bps in the second half
of 2014 according to most of 11 economists in a poll by The
Wall Street Journal
satoshi911
Faber is rather
consistent stay with KING DOLLAR while he is king
problem is the exit I suspect that FABER knows that
the the US-Treasury is very liquid
IMHO I follow the school to keep your $$$ in HKD which is 100
tied to UNCLE-SAMs nut-sack but should the USD implode
HKD will become RMB ( tied to YUAN nut-sack ) over-night
thats the only safe bet
I think that FABER wants to keep it safe
Lastly if FABER was to tell MORONS to NOT put their
money into the US-TREASURY debt he would NOT be on
USA MSM TV FABER obviously gets great pleasure from
being an expertguru on TV but the actions that he is
allowed to give the viewers are essentially KEEP YOUR
MONEY IN THE USA
On the other hand privately him and Rogers say to
diversify your CASH
Only 3 AAA currency SGD CHF and NOKCNY Right
chump666
Interesting But
in relation to
Grosss fears and
general fears that Asia is ready blow or implode taking the
whole EM complex down with it I would 100 watch
capital controls on EMAsian outflows this will have an
impact on the so-called liquid bond markets for safe
havens Remember Japan bond and stock meltdown June
2013 This could happen in America and could destroy
billions in seconds We are living in very dangerous time for
markets The 80 on the DXY is drawn by the Fed they
know a USD crisis is stone throw away All and all this
whole market could blow up spectacularly for ALL save
havens except physical gold being the only haven
satoshi911
Only 3
AAA
currency
SGD CHF and
NOK (CNY) Right
Its a great narrative that all currency will collapse and
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everything is fucked just like the USA but thats not
how history shows it
When hyper-inflation comes money just moves
Like Fabers great toilet bowl sloshing money from one
bowl to the next India to UK to USA
You have to diversify and there is NO reason that those
with AAA will take the hit Its a great narrative that
when the USD fails that everything else fails but I dont
buy it and history says other wise
We all wait and pray for when the USDUSA goes tits
up sadly it may not happen in our lifetime
King DOllar is backed by the most homocidal armed
MOFU in all of human history and hes not going to shut
up or go away silently
I dont buy a black-swan just like its been since the
1970s just more loss of USD buying power and the
USA descends into a FEUDAL nation and keeps
funding the FSA to keep the convicts in their homes
Japan has pulled it off for 30 years now certainly the
USA will do the same FIAT to INFINITY in secret and
Tapered in PUBLIC
Those banking on a black-swan collapse of the USA
will be dissapointed a CIVIL-WAR yes but that is
just because the USA is desperate for a RESET and
now with the lack of conscription you cant even
send them off to die in foriegn wars anymore
The USA will just get more Orwellian and harder to
leave
Most likely MILLIONS will be sent to FEMA-CAMPS in
HILLARY-2016 and ZH will not even report it as
news thats how conditioned you will all be to in
seeing frogs boiled alive
Smart Red-Necks are already putting their HILLARY
2016 Bumper Stickers on their F100s
satoshi911
Fire - FIRE - LOOK
over there
It seems that every fucking guru andor expert is saying LOOK
OVER THERE when you see or hear an orchestra look for a
conductor Me thinks there is something at home they dont want
you to see
Its fairly clear that in ASIA markets are dropping cuz folks are
getting out of the stock market in the meantime the USA
market goes up cuz the FED just keeps buying more stock
I suspect this is to make it appear that the USA is as safe as
fucking an HIV whore with a condom
When I search the news the 1 story I see is not CHINA IS
FALLING but here on ZH they certainly want you to think so
How is GROSS doing for his customers Anybody as big as him is
sucking AIPAC cock and you know it Why the fuck has he not
retired to Tel-Aviv and enjoying his short life
One last argument for DEAR LEADER GROSS cuz it PISSES me
off the way folks got rich from 1950 to 1990 aka BUFFET-
BITCH and GROSS-BITCH The way fortunes in the USA were
made was to BUY companys rob the pension fund cash and
replace with IOUs Rinse and repeat and today all pensions in
private sector are gone
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Gross is a world class asshole and criminal to attempt to tell
morons that GREAT FORTUNES were made by INVESTING they were
not all great fortunes in the past 40 years were made by
THEFT
satoshi911
About 10 of the
CONTENT of the GROSS interview was on CHINA but ZH
put CHINA on the post title enough said its all what we
call blogger fodder to send commenters to their keyboard death
Goldman-SachsAIPAC has a hardon for CHINA this we know
Telling that GOLDMAN-SACHS sold all their interest last MAY in
ICBC then and only then did they go full retard to give it a
bad name but all the toxic mystery meat in question here
came from the Goldman-Sach NUT-SACK
TheGoldMyth
Steve Keen on private
debt and Australia and BitCoin as an enduring platform
Published on Jan 22 2014
Steve Keen is a well-known economist who is considered one of
the leading critics of mainstream economics treatment of debt and
money He considers himself a post-Keynesian in that he adheres to
John Maynard Keynes idea that demand matters in the long as well
as the short run But his focus is debt and specifically how Hyman
Minskys financial instability hypothesis is reflected in highly
indebted economies
Right now Dr Keen is working on an ambitious mathematical model
of financial instability called simply Minsky
Erin Ade spoke with Dr Keen about debt generally and private debt
specifically as well as the Australian economy
Also Erin Ade and Edward Harrison discuss how Bitcoin purchases
at casino hotels will be processed through BitPay a service that
streamlines transactions using tablet and mobile interfaces Could
BitCoin itself crash and burn but the platform and application
endure anyway
Spungo
Bill Gross plays Fallout
3 Who knew
Bdelande
Note to the Federal
Reserve
Dear Janet February 4th 2014
If I may be so forward I felt compelled to pass on a quick note
from a most concerned permanent resident of the United States of
America
Purposely degrading this Nations hard earned reserve currency
status that was so honorably delivered to you by previous
generations who built this great country from the ground up
through their virtuous and industrious blood sweat and tears only
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to then implement a disgracefully lamentable monetary policy which
deliberately steals from future unborn generations in order to
facilitate living standards beyond our means so as to maintain an
unearned undeserved and unprincipled culture of grotesque mass
over-consumption can only be characterized as a deplorable
unconscionable abomination of Biblical proportion
Respectfully yours
Le Baron Bruno Camille Soucanye de Landevoisn
chump666
A really good point
GROSS Well not many The way to get rich in the past was
to borrow money and to lever hedge funds and levered corporate
situations in terms of buyouts et cetera et cetera or to buy the
stock market in 2013 which itself is a levered type of investment
Corporations borrow 40 to 50 percent of their balance sheet They
lever up and you can buy equities in a levered type of situation So
leverage over the past 20 to 30 years Stephanie has really
produced this total return high return type of investment market
that investors have grown used to Pension funds think 7 8 9
percent is what they should expect which means 4 percent from
bonds and 12 percent from stocks Not going to happen because
basically wersquove been priced into the market Assets are artificially
priced And from this point forward double-digit returns getting
rich on leverage no You better look elsewhere for ndash for your
profits
Leverage up and buy a shtload of lottery tickets better chance
Dubaibanker
If China is so
unimportant then why is Bill Gross talking about it
Why not talk about Eritrea or Seychelles or Benin instead They are
very important to the global economic conditionsGross must
invest there if he does not like or understand China
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ERIK SCHATZKER I think wersquove got to start in the most obvious of
places Why are risk assets correcting What in your opinion is
behind the sell off
STEPHANIE RUHLE Why arenrsquot we seeing that kind of volatility in
the credit markets Yesterday Hyundai did an investment grade deal
and it blew out while I look at equities in emerging markets and
theyrsquore suffering Why is everyone still piling into credit
SCHATZKER Bill what happens next Would you call this just a bump
in the road or have markets made a detour and wersquore going to go down
this new road for a while
BILL GROSS Well risk assets financial systems are
unstable with excessive risk taking on one hand and
low returns on the other which in turn encourages
more risk taking Itrsquos sort of like Sorosrsquo reflexivity
Once you get the levered system going it hardly
knows when and where to stop And so thatrsquos what
wersquore seeing We have a highly levered global financial
system with hedged positions that are moving back and
forth based on emerging market countries and their
growth rates or expected growth rates And when those
change then positions change And as levered positions
change yoursquove got a lot of volatility and reflexivity as
Mr Soros would have said
GROSS Well credit is higher up on the stability
hierarchy I suppose Stephanie It ndash it usually is thought
of as a flight to quality not necessarily corporate bonds
or high-yield bonds but treasury bonds And when
investors want to park money in a supposedly safe haven
and we know that bonds arenrsquot necessarily safe all the
time they werenrsquot in 2013 but thatrsquos where money goes
Money comes back to the center so to speak of the
global financial network And the center at the
moment are one two three developed countries
That certainly includes the United States And so we
see treasuries being bought treasury rates coming down
under the assumption that the Federal Reserve will stay
put for perhaps a long long time
GROSS Well I think we will for a while Erik meaning for a
long long time Wersquove talked about this with the new
normal The new normal really didnrsquot apply to the equity
market last year did it Thirty percent was certainly
not normal But what we see going forward is a global
marketplace and a global economy where growth is
slow
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SCHATZKER Bill is that to say that nothing else has yet gotten
cheap enough to tempt you
RUHLE All right Mystery meat is disgusting I remember my high
school cafeteria Tell us what investors are doing in terms of inflows
and outflows Theyrsquove gotten very spoiled in the last couple of years
with all the central bank intervention Itrsquos been very cushy So this
week your phone is ringing and what are they saying
And to the extent that financial asset prices like stocks
and other risk assets have anticipated that growth
rate thatrsquos always a subjective judgement And it was
six to eight weeks ago To the extent that that growth
rate comes down then risk assets become at risk and
more volatility So I think itrsquos all dependent upon a growth
rate on the global economy And certainly in the United
States we saw some bad numbers over the past few
days and we wonder whether or not that 3 percent
growth rate in 2014 is for real
So look at growth and look at inflation by the way for
an indicator in terms of where the Fed goes Because
as we know where the Fed goes where quantitative
easing goes and tapering and ultimately the policy rate
which is critical where that goes is dependent upon not
just growth but inflation And so the inflation target
numbers that we see close to 1 percent are clearly
indicative of where bonds might rest and ultimately where
stocks might go as well
GROSS Well therersquos no doubt that emerging markets
are getting cheaper The problem is emerging markets
have problems Take examples such as Brazil and Turkey
These are countries with widening current account
deficits These are countries which by necessity in order
to stabilize their currency have to raise interest rates and
put their economy at risk in terms of slower growth So
the question becomes whether a 13 percent three-
year rate in Brazil relative to a 10 percent policy rate
is an attractive situation We think itrsquos getting there
Brazil is not going anywhere in terms of straight
downhill Itrsquos a country on the move so to speak and an
important emerging market country but to a certain
extent itrsquos a fair question as to whether prices have been
adequately discounting the slower growth that I speak to
I think wersquore beginning to get there The last wild card
Erik in terms of emerging market space obviously is
China Is it 6 percent Is it 7 percent Is it 5 percent I
call China the mystery meat of emerging market
countries Nobody knows whatrsquos there and therersquos a
little bit of baloney so wersquore just going to have to
wonder going forward through this year as to the
potential problems in China and other emerging
markets
GROSS Well theyrsquore saying we want safety in
principal This is a Will Rodgers idea Stephanie back in
the lsquo30s Not so much concerned about the return on my
money as the return of my money What product does
that represent in terms of that possibility Something with
a relatively short duration and something with relatively
short credit risk or credit spreads Unconstrained bond
funds are one example at PIMCO that are garnering a
lot of attention Irsquove been managing that recently and
itrsquos doing really well
The total return fund is doing really well Itrsquos up 15 to 2
percent for the month with some good stability and
prospects for inflows So bonds are back Theyrsquore not all
the way back and I doubt theyrsquoll get all the way back
to the point of 16 18 months ago in which interest
rates in the 10-year was at 165 But bonds have a ndash
have a stable position in almost all portfolios if only
for diversification So unconstrained bond funds lower
duration bond funds diversified income equities at some
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point At PIMCO yes wersquore promoting equities as well
and so therersquos a place for all of them
One last point though I think the era of getting rich
quickly is over and I think almost that the era of
getting rich slowly is over too And so investors should
simply bring down their return estimations and
prepare for a little bit of volatility going forward
GROSS Well not many The way to get rich in the past
was to borrow money and to lever hedge funds and
levered corporate situations in terms of buyouts et
cetera et cetera or to buy the stock market in 2013
which itself is a levered type of investment Corporations
borrow 40 to 50 percent of their balance sheet They
lever up and you can buy equities in a levered type of
situation So leverage over the past 20 to 30 years
Stephanie has really produced this total return high
return type of investment market that investors have
grown used to Pension funds think 7 8 9 percent is
what they should expect which means 4 percent from
bonds and 12 percent from stocks Not going to happen
because basically wersquove been priced into the market
Assets are artificially priced And from this point
forward double-digit returns getting rich on
leverage no You better look elsewhere for ndash for your
profits
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fijisailor
The latest Snowden
interview with German TV
httplibertyblitzkriegcom20140204video-of-the-day-edward-
snowdens
macholatte
China is the Predator of Planet Earth Everyone else is
mystery meat
Leveraged Algorithm
The
unconstrained
bond funds are the
mystery meat Full of derivatives and will suffer huge
losses when Kyle Bass has the Japan default High yield
short duration - are you fucking nuts Get ready
Wahooo
Yep They
cook up
shit and they dont
even know whats
in it
Boris
Alatovkrap
Boris is
one
time
travel in China Food is get very very boring and
more is grotesque One day restaurant is serve very
delicious meat dish Boris is ask waiter what is
inside but Boris is forget dictionary at hotel in room
so just nod head Other dinner guest is also enjoy
so we are order more and more until so stuffing
cannot move from table So sit and talk sit and talk
very laughter gregarious moment After hour or so
Boris is once again hungry and is remembering
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delicious meat dish so is put on full plate and start
eat again Big mistake Now is cool off as Boris is
take bite is realization meat is not meat but is deep
fry testicle sack
No no Boris just kidding Actually is deep fry pork
fat But is grotesque and now Boris is can never
again to eat China epicurean
TheGoldMyth
Boris you could ask for your money
back from The Peoples Bank of China
Take deep fry testicle sack to owner
(Central bank PBC ) and convert back into
Yen
TheGoldMyth
Wahoo
Exactly like
America where GMO want to remove labeling so
people do not know if product is GM or not Nobody
would know what organism they are eatingIt could
be genetically modifiedengineered chicken
fetus pate and the labeling wouldnt say so It
might be sold as Chicken Spread
What is in cooked up in financial product is no
different
Leveraged Algorithm
Bill is fighting
to keep assets
as Pimco
implodesMost work he has done in years
TheGoldMyth
macholatte
You need to
look more
closely at who owns the country or governs it This is
usually a central bank
In modern times governments and countries are not
souvereign instead they are privatisedowned by their
respective central banks that dictate to the governments
what they want to happen Policy and so forth The word
China or the word America are owned by a private
central bank One day country names will be removed
to avoid the confusing people like yourself For instance
America will be called simply FED Another example is
Greece where instead of telling someone (In order to
impress) that you are going to the greek islands for a
holiday you would say i am going to the JP Morgan
islands -)
EDIT OopsMIstake China would be called The Peoples
Bank of China so people going on holdiays there would
say HeyI am going to The Peoples Bank of China
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or PBC for a holiday
From Wikipedia
The Peoples Bank of China (PBC or PBOC) is the central
bank of the Peoples Republic of China with the power to
control monetary policy and regulate financial institutions in
mainland China The Peoples Bank of China has the most
financial assets of any single public finance institution in
history[2]
The Dunce
China has been
blowing up for forever and a day Yet it keeps chugging
on Im not holding my breath Doomsday will happen
when the sun starts burning hydrogen in another 10 billion
years Until then we should be OK
Skateboarder
Skip to 1130
Something weird about this guy
PGR88
Its his hair-cut
The Left side
goes well over
his ear but the right side is very short
With his money you would think he could afford a decent
hair-cut
steve2241
Im not sure
what youre
referring to
but its been reported in the media that he takes medicine
for epilepsy
Tim_
Whether itrsquos
provided I
canrsquot speak to until itrsquos
been reported because it would be classified and I prefer
that journalists make the distinctions and the decisions
about what is public interest and what should be published
(Source)
I donrsquot want to pre-empt the editorial decisions of
journalists but what I will say is therersquos no question that the
US is engaged in economic spying (Source)
However as Irsquove said before I prefer for journalists to make
those decisions in advance review the material themselves
and decide whether or not the public value of this
information outweighs the sort of reputational cost to the
officials that ordered the surveillance (Source)
stant
ides of march my
father was 7th armour my father inlaw 1st and 6th marinei
thank god for edwardi would rather be poor and free than live like
a slave
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Cacete de Ouro
The more time passes
the more likely it seems that Christopher Walken and Bill
Gross were actually separated at birth
The Gooch
moar gong
macholatte
more cowbell
httpwwwebaumsworldcomvideowatch628756
A Buttle
That is one smart
skeleton
AdvancingTime
Fast growth tends to
mask flaws and weakness within a system and China has
been growing like a weed for years To make things worse
many of the investment decisions were driven by politics This has
created massive overcapacity Money has been poorly allocated
and often shoveled into deep holes like ghost cities and bridges to
nowhere
Currently a 66 trillion dollar spending spree used as stimulus to
combat global economic slowdown is coming back to haunt China
This has greatly expanded credit and created huge overcapacity
during the past five years A massive debt crisis now looms in the
offing as companies struggle to repay loans taken on newly built
factories that sit idle because of weak demand More on this
subject below
httpbrucewildsblogspotcom201311china-land-of-
overcapacity-and-de
fijisailor
Its hard to
envision collapse in China with their huge share of the
market for nearly every manufactured item Go to any country
and simply view the assortment and quantity of products made
in China Mismanagement and inefficiency on one hand but
huge productive output on the other On top of that the
information coming out of China is not believable and very few
know whats going on within
FreeMktFisherMN
its their
proclivity to
save (and in
terms of PMs evidently) that has carried them They
understand the value of savings whereas Western nations
are about borrowing and consuming
TruthInSunshine
China is the mystery
meat Battered deep fried General Tsos Chicken
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Did it go Woof Woof Eeek Eeek Or Meow
NoDebt
Translation Im on
the wrong side of this and out of ideas
4shzl
Id guess this is his
usual head fake and that hes buying the 30-yr as fast
as he can
Dr Engali
I have a word for you
to consider Bill Retirement
syntaxterror
How much mystery
meat is in Bills bond fund that yields 275 Anyone even
care to guess
Cacete de Ouro
high yield =
extended quality = goat meat
disabledvet
I think if youre a bank
you can become more than rich restructuring debt and
getting those mines factories and energy plays moving
I agree it wont be easy though
Asset prices are all out of whack (no questions about California real
estate in this interview) and its really hard for me to see how we
get from here to there in the sense of being something other
than a speculator
A lot of risk on the table
Some of the losses over the past six months have been truly
spectacular
And the leverage these clowns are playing around with
well what other asset is left as far as capital appreciation goes
here
A drop in yields to one half of one percent on the thirty year would
make quite a statement
httpwwwyoutubecomwatchv=RcL6DwSufMI
Carl Popper
China is the country of
the future
and always will be
FredFlintstone
The future aint what
it used to be Yogi
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PGR88
ERA OF GETTING
RICH QUICKLY IS OVER
ERA OF GETTING RICH SLOWLY IS ALSO OVER
ERA OF GETTING POOR QUICKLY HAS BEGUN
chump666
Kinda makes me wonder
why Faber is suggesting the 10yr for safe-haven the bond
markets could be in for trouble if Asia starts implicating
capital controls to stop their currencies collapsing and outflows
despite this slowdown
Philippines 0402 GMT [Dow Jones] Bangko Sentral ng Pilipinas
will raise overnight interest rates by 50 bps in the second half
of 2014 according to most of 11 economists in a poll by The
Wall Street Journal
satoshi911
Faber is rather
consistent stay with KING DOLLAR while he is king
problem is the exit I suspect that FABER knows that
the the US-Treasury is very liquid
IMHO I follow the school to keep your $$$ in HKD which is 100
tied to UNCLE-SAMs nut-sack but should the USD implode
HKD will become RMB ( tied to YUAN nut-sack ) over-night
thats the only safe bet
I think that FABER wants to keep it safe
Lastly if FABER was to tell MORONS to NOT put their
money into the US-TREASURY debt he would NOT be on
USA MSM TV FABER obviously gets great pleasure from
being an expertguru on TV but the actions that he is
allowed to give the viewers are essentially KEEP YOUR
MONEY IN THE USA
On the other hand privately him and Rogers say to
diversify your CASH
Only 3 AAA currency SGD CHF and NOKCNY Right
chump666
Interesting But
in relation to
Grosss fears and
general fears that Asia is ready blow or implode taking the
whole EM complex down with it I would 100 watch
capital controls on EMAsian outflows this will have an
impact on the so-called liquid bond markets for safe
havens Remember Japan bond and stock meltdown June
2013 This could happen in America and could destroy
billions in seconds We are living in very dangerous time for
markets The 80 on the DXY is drawn by the Fed they
know a USD crisis is stone throw away All and all this
whole market could blow up spectacularly for ALL save
havens except physical gold being the only haven
satoshi911
Only 3
AAA
currency
SGD CHF and
NOK (CNY) Right
Its a great narrative that all currency will collapse and
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everything is fucked just like the USA but thats not
how history shows it
When hyper-inflation comes money just moves
Like Fabers great toilet bowl sloshing money from one
bowl to the next India to UK to USA
You have to diversify and there is NO reason that those
with AAA will take the hit Its a great narrative that
when the USD fails that everything else fails but I dont
buy it and history says other wise
We all wait and pray for when the USDUSA goes tits
up sadly it may not happen in our lifetime
King DOllar is backed by the most homocidal armed
MOFU in all of human history and hes not going to shut
up or go away silently
I dont buy a black-swan just like its been since the
1970s just more loss of USD buying power and the
USA descends into a FEUDAL nation and keeps
funding the FSA to keep the convicts in their homes
Japan has pulled it off for 30 years now certainly the
USA will do the same FIAT to INFINITY in secret and
Tapered in PUBLIC
Those banking on a black-swan collapse of the USA
will be dissapointed a CIVIL-WAR yes but that is
just because the USA is desperate for a RESET and
now with the lack of conscription you cant even
send them off to die in foriegn wars anymore
The USA will just get more Orwellian and harder to
leave
Most likely MILLIONS will be sent to FEMA-CAMPS in
HILLARY-2016 and ZH will not even report it as
news thats how conditioned you will all be to in
seeing frogs boiled alive
Smart Red-Necks are already putting their HILLARY
2016 Bumper Stickers on their F100s
satoshi911
Fire - FIRE - LOOK
over there
It seems that every fucking guru andor expert is saying LOOK
OVER THERE when you see or hear an orchestra look for a
conductor Me thinks there is something at home they dont want
you to see
Its fairly clear that in ASIA markets are dropping cuz folks are
getting out of the stock market in the meantime the USA
market goes up cuz the FED just keeps buying more stock
I suspect this is to make it appear that the USA is as safe as
fucking an HIV whore with a condom
When I search the news the 1 story I see is not CHINA IS
FALLING but here on ZH they certainly want you to think so
How is GROSS doing for his customers Anybody as big as him is
sucking AIPAC cock and you know it Why the fuck has he not
retired to Tel-Aviv and enjoying his short life
One last argument for DEAR LEADER GROSS cuz it PISSES me
off the way folks got rich from 1950 to 1990 aka BUFFET-
BITCH and GROSS-BITCH The way fortunes in the USA were
made was to BUY companys rob the pension fund cash and
replace with IOUs Rinse and repeat and today all pensions in
private sector are gone
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Gross is a world class asshole and criminal to attempt to tell
morons that GREAT FORTUNES were made by INVESTING they were
not all great fortunes in the past 40 years were made by
THEFT
satoshi911
About 10 of the
CONTENT of the GROSS interview was on CHINA but ZH
put CHINA on the post title enough said its all what we
call blogger fodder to send commenters to their keyboard death
Goldman-SachsAIPAC has a hardon for CHINA this we know
Telling that GOLDMAN-SACHS sold all their interest last MAY in
ICBC then and only then did they go full retard to give it a
bad name but all the toxic mystery meat in question here
came from the Goldman-Sach NUT-SACK
TheGoldMyth
Steve Keen on private
debt and Australia and BitCoin as an enduring platform
Published on Jan 22 2014
Steve Keen is a well-known economist who is considered one of
the leading critics of mainstream economics treatment of debt and
money He considers himself a post-Keynesian in that he adheres to
John Maynard Keynes idea that demand matters in the long as well
as the short run But his focus is debt and specifically how Hyman
Minskys financial instability hypothesis is reflected in highly
indebted economies
Right now Dr Keen is working on an ambitious mathematical model
of financial instability called simply Minsky
Erin Ade spoke with Dr Keen about debt generally and private debt
specifically as well as the Australian economy
Also Erin Ade and Edward Harrison discuss how Bitcoin purchases
at casino hotels will be processed through BitPay a service that
streamlines transactions using tablet and mobile interfaces Could
BitCoin itself crash and burn but the platform and application
endure anyway
Spungo
Bill Gross plays Fallout
3 Who knew
Bdelande
Note to the Federal
Reserve
Dear Janet February 4th 2014
If I may be so forward I felt compelled to pass on a quick note
from a most concerned permanent resident of the United States of
America
Purposely degrading this Nations hard earned reserve currency
status that was so honorably delivered to you by previous
generations who built this great country from the ground up
through their virtuous and industrious blood sweat and tears only
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to then implement a disgracefully lamentable monetary policy which
deliberately steals from future unborn generations in order to
facilitate living standards beyond our means so as to maintain an
unearned undeserved and unprincipled culture of grotesque mass
over-consumption can only be characterized as a deplorable
unconscionable abomination of Biblical proportion
Respectfully yours
Le Baron Bruno Camille Soucanye de Landevoisn
chump666
A really good point
GROSS Well not many The way to get rich in the past was
to borrow money and to lever hedge funds and levered corporate
situations in terms of buyouts et cetera et cetera or to buy the
stock market in 2013 which itself is a levered type of investment
Corporations borrow 40 to 50 percent of their balance sheet They
lever up and you can buy equities in a levered type of situation So
leverage over the past 20 to 30 years Stephanie has really
produced this total return high return type of investment market
that investors have grown used to Pension funds think 7 8 9
percent is what they should expect which means 4 percent from
bonds and 12 percent from stocks Not going to happen because
basically wersquove been priced into the market Assets are artificially
priced And from this point forward double-digit returns getting
rich on leverage no You better look elsewhere for ndash for your
profits
Leverage up and buy a shtload of lottery tickets better chance
Dubaibanker
If China is so
unimportant then why is Bill Gross talking about it
Why not talk about Eritrea or Seychelles or Benin instead They are
very important to the global economic conditionsGross must
invest there if he does not like or understand China
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SCHATZKER Bill is that to say that nothing else has yet gotten
cheap enough to tempt you
RUHLE All right Mystery meat is disgusting I remember my high
school cafeteria Tell us what investors are doing in terms of inflows
and outflows Theyrsquove gotten very spoiled in the last couple of years
with all the central bank intervention Itrsquos been very cushy So this
week your phone is ringing and what are they saying
And to the extent that financial asset prices like stocks
and other risk assets have anticipated that growth
rate thatrsquos always a subjective judgement And it was
six to eight weeks ago To the extent that that growth
rate comes down then risk assets become at risk and
more volatility So I think itrsquos all dependent upon a growth
rate on the global economy And certainly in the United
States we saw some bad numbers over the past few
days and we wonder whether or not that 3 percent
growth rate in 2014 is for real
So look at growth and look at inflation by the way for
an indicator in terms of where the Fed goes Because
as we know where the Fed goes where quantitative
easing goes and tapering and ultimately the policy rate
which is critical where that goes is dependent upon not
just growth but inflation And so the inflation target
numbers that we see close to 1 percent are clearly
indicative of where bonds might rest and ultimately where
stocks might go as well
GROSS Well therersquos no doubt that emerging markets
are getting cheaper The problem is emerging markets
have problems Take examples such as Brazil and Turkey
These are countries with widening current account
deficits These are countries which by necessity in order
to stabilize their currency have to raise interest rates and
put their economy at risk in terms of slower growth So
the question becomes whether a 13 percent three-
year rate in Brazil relative to a 10 percent policy rate
is an attractive situation We think itrsquos getting there
Brazil is not going anywhere in terms of straight
downhill Itrsquos a country on the move so to speak and an
important emerging market country but to a certain
extent itrsquos a fair question as to whether prices have been
adequately discounting the slower growth that I speak to
I think wersquore beginning to get there The last wild card
Erik in terms of emerging market space obviously is
China Is it 6 percent Is it 7 percent Is it 5 percent I
call China the mystery meat of emerging market
countries Nobody knows whatrsquos there and therersquos a
little bit of baloney so wersquore just going to have to
wonder going forward through this year as to the
potential problems in China and other emerging
markets
GROSS Well theyrsquore saying we want safety in
principal This is a Will Rodgers idea Stephanie back in
the lsquo30s Not so much concerned about the return on my
money as the return of my money What product does
that represent in terms of that possibility Something with
a relatively short duration and something with relatively
short credit risk or credit spreads Unconstrained bond
funds are one example at PIMCO that are garnering a
lot of attention Irsquove been managing that recently and
itrsquos doing really well
The total return fund is doing really well Itrsquos up 15 to 2
percent for the month with some good stability and
prospects for inflows So bonds are back Theyrsquore not all
the way back and I doubt theyrsquoll get all the way back
to the point of 16 18 months ago in which interest
rates in the 10-year was at 165 But bonds have a ndash
have a stable position in almost all portfolios if only
for diversification So unconstrained bond funds lower
duration bond funds diversified income equities at some
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point At PIMCO yes wersquore promoting equities as well
and so therersquos a place for all of them
One last point though I think the era of getting rich
quickly is over and I think almost that the era of
getting rich slowly is over too And so investors should
simply bring down their return estimations and
prepare for a little bit of volatility going forward
GROSS Well not many The way to get rich in the past
was to borrow money and to lever hedge funds and
levered corporate situations in terms of buyouts et
cetera et cetera or to buy the stock market in 2013
which itself is a levered type of investment Corporations
borrow 40 to 50 percent of their balance sheet They
lever up and you can buy equities in a levered type of
situation So leverage over the past 20 to 30 years
Stephanie has really produced this total return high
return type of investment market that investors have
grown used to Pension funds think 7 8 9 percent is
what they should expect which means 4 percent from
bonds and 12 percent from stocks Not going to happen
because basically wersquove been priced into the market
Assets are artificially priced And from this point
forward double-digit returns getting rich on
leverage no You better look elsewhere for ndash for your
profits
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fijisailor
The latest Snowden
interview with German TV
httplibertyblitzkriegcom20140204video-of-the-day-edward-
snowdens
macholatte
China is the Predator of Planet Earth Everyone else is
mystery meat
Leveraged Algorithm
The
unconstrained
bond funds are the
mystery meat Full of derivatives and will suffer huge
losses when Kyle Bass has the Japan default High yield
short duration - are you fucking nuts Get ready
Wahooo
Yep They
cook up
shit and they dont
even know whats
in it
Boris
Alatovkrap
Boris is
one
time
travel in China Food is get very very boring and
more is grotesque One day restaurant is serve very
delicious meat dish Boris is ask waiter what is
inside but Boris is forget dictionary at hotel in room
so just nod head Other dinner guest is also enjoy
so we are order more and more until so stuffing
cannot move from table So sit and talk sit and talk
very laughter gregarious moment After hour or so
Boris is once again hungry and is remembering
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delicious meat dish so is put on full plate and start
eat again Big mistake Now is cool off as Boris is
take bite is realization meat is not meat but is deep
fry testicle sack
No no Boris just kidding Actually is deep fry pork
fat But is grotesque and now Boris is can never
again to eat China epicurean
TheGoldMyth
Boris you could ask for your money
back from The Peoples Bank of China
Take deep fry testicle sack to owner
(Central bank PBC ) and convert back into
Yen
TheGoldMyth
Wahoo
Exactly like
America where GMO want to remove labeling so
people do not know if product is GM or not Nobody
would know what organism they are eatingIt could
be genetically modifiedengineered chicken
fetus pate and the labeling wouldnt say so It
might be sold as Chicken Spread
What is in cooked up in financial product is no
different
Leveraged Algorithm
Bill is fighting
to keep assets
as Pimco
implodesMost work he has done in years
TheGoldMyth
macholatte
You need to
look more
closely at who owns the country or governs it This is
usually a central bank
In modern times governments and countries are not
souvereign instead they are privatisedowned by their
respective central banks that dictate to the governments
what they want to happen Policy and so forth The word
China or the word America are owned by a private
central bank One day country names will be removed
to avoid the confusing people like yourself For instance
America will be called simply FED Another example is
Greece where instead of telling someone (In order to
impress) that you are going to the greek islands for a
holiday you would say i am going to the JP Morgan
islands -)
EDIT OopsMIstake China would be called The Peoples
Bank of China so people going on holdiays there would
say HeyI am going to The Peoples Bank of China
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or PBC for a holiday
From Wikipedia
The Peoples Bank of China (PBC or PBOC) is the central
bank of the Peoples Republic of China with the power to
control monetary policy and regulate financial institutions in
mainland China The Peoples Bank of China has the most
financial assets of any single public finance institution in
history[2]
The Dunce
China has been
blowing up for forever and a day Yet it keeps chugging
on Im not holding my breath Doomsday will happen
when the sun starts burning hydrogen in another 10 billion
years Until then we should be OK
Skateboarder
Skip to 1130
Something weird about this guy
PGR88
Its his hair-cut
The Left side
goes well over
his ear but the right side is very short
With his money you would think he could afford a decent
hair-cut
steve2241
Im not sure
what youre
referring to
but its been reported in the media that he takes medicine
for epilepsy
Tim_
Whether itrsquos
provided I
canrsquot speak to until itrsquos
been reported because it would be classified and I prefer
that journalists make the distinctions and the decisions
about what is public interest and what should be published
(Source)
I donrsquot want to pre-empt the editorial decisions of
journalists but what I will say is therersquos no question that the
US is engaged in economic spying (Source)
However as Irsquove said before I prefer for journalists to make
those decisions in advance review the material themselves
and decide whether or not the public value of this
information outweighs the sort of reputational cost to the
officials that ordered the surveillance (Source)
stant
ides of march my
father was 7th armour my father inlaw 1st and 6th marinei
thank god for edwardi would rather be poor and free than live like
a slave
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Cacete de Ouro
The more time passes
the more likely it seems that Christopher Walken and Bill
Gross were actually separated at birth
The Gooch
moar gong
macholatte
more cowbell
httpwwwebaumsworldcomvideowatch628756
A Buttle
That is one smart
skeleton
AdvancingTime
Fast growth tends to
mask flaws and weakness within a system and China has
been growing like a weed for years To make things worse
many of the investment decisions were driven by politics This has
created massive overcapacity Money has been poorly allocated
and often shoveled into deep holes like ghost cities and bridges to
nowhere
Currently a 66 trillion dollar spending spree used as stimulus to
combat global economic slowdown is coming back to haunt China
This has greatly expanded credit and created huge overcapacity
during the past five years A massive debt crisis now looms in the
offing as companies struggle to repay loans taken on newly built
factories that sit idle because of weak demand More on this
subject below
httpbrucewildsblogspotcom201311china-land-of-
overcapacity-and-de
fijisailor
Its hard to
envision collapse in China with their huge share of the
market for nearly every manufactured item Go to any country
and simply view the assortment and quantity of products made
in China Mismanagement and inefficiency on one hand but
huge productive output on the other On top of that the
information coming out of China is not believable and very few
know whats going on within
FreeMktFisherMN
its their
proclivity to
save (and in
terms of PMs evidently) that has carried them They
understand the value of savings whereas Western nations
are about borrowing and consuming
TruthInSunshine
China is the mystery
meat Battered deep fried General Tsos Chicken
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Did it go Woof Woof Eeek Eeek Or Meow
NoDebt
Translation Im on
the wrong side of this and out of ideas
4shzl
Id guess this is his
usual head fake and that hes buying the 30-yr as fast
as he can
Dr Engali
I have a word for you
to consider Bill Retirement
syntaxterror
How much mystery
meat is in Bills bond fund that yields 275 Anyone even
care to guess
Cacete de Ouro
high yield =
extended quality = goat meat
disabledvet
I think if youre a bank
you can become more than rich restructuring debt and
getting those mines factories and energy plays moving
I agree it wont be easy though
Asset prices are all out of whack (no questions about California real
estate in this interview) and its really hard for me to see how we
get from here to there in the sense of being something other
than a speculator
A lot of risk on the table
Some of the losses over the past six months have been truly
spectacular
And the leverage these clowns are playing around with
well what other asset is left as far as capital appreciation goes
here
A drop in yields to one half of one percent on the thirty year would
make quite a statement
httpwwwyoutubecomwatchv=RcL6DwSufMI
Carl Popper
China is the country of
the future
and always will be
FredFlintstone
The future aint what
it used to be Yogi
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PGR88
ERA OF GETTING
RICH QUICKLY IS OVER
ERA OF GETTING RICH SLOWLY IS ALSO OVER
ERA OF GETTING POOR QUICKLY HAS BEGUN
chump666
Kinda makes me wonder
why Faber is suggesting the 10yr for safe-haven the bond
markets could be in for trouble if Asia starts implicating
capital controls to stop their currencies collapsing and outflows
despite this slowdown
Philippines 0402 GMT [Dow Jones] Bangko Sentral ng Pilipinas
will raise overnight interest rates by 50 bps in the second half
of 2014 according to most of 11 economists in a poll by The
Wall Street Journal
satoshi911
Faber is rather
consistent stay with KING DOLLAR while he is king
problem is the exit I suspect that FABER knows that
the the US-Treasury is very liquid
IMHO I follow the school to keep your $$$ in HKD which is 100
tied to UNCLE-SAMs nut-sack but should the USD implode
HKD will become RMB ( tied to YUAN nut-sack ) over-night
thats the only safe bet
I think that FABER wants to keep it safe
Lastly if FABER was to tell MORONS to NOT put their
money into the US-TREASURY debt he would NOT be on
USA MSM TV FABER obviously gets great pleasure from
being an expertguru on TV but the actions that he is
allowed to give the viewers are essentially KEEP YOUR
MONEY IN THE USA
On the other hand privately him and Rogers say to
diversify your CASH
Only 3 AAA currency SGD CHF and NOKCNY Right
chump666
Interesting But
in relation to
Grosss fears and
general fears that Asia is ready blow or implode taking the
whole EM complex down with it I would 100 watch
capital controls on EMAsian outflows this will have an
impact on the so-called liquid bond markets for safe
havens Remember Japan bond and stock meltdown June
2013 This could happen in America and could destroy
billions in seconds We are living in very dangerous time for
markets The 80 on the DXY is drawn by the Fed they
know a USD crisis is stone throw away All and all this
whole market could blow up spectacularly for ALL save
havens except physical gold being the only haven
satoshi911
Only 3
AAA
currency
SGD CHF and
NOK (CNY) Right
Its a great narrative that all currency will collapse and
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everything is fucked just like the USA but thats not
how history shows it
When hyper-inflation comes money just moves
Like Fabers great toilet bowl sloshing money from one
bowl to the next India to UK to USA
You have to diversify and there is NO reason that those
with AAA will take the hit Its a great narrative that
when the USD fails that everything else fails but I dont
buy it and history says other wise
We all wait and pray for when the USDUSA goes tits
up sadly it may not happen in our lifetime
King DOllar is backed by the most homocidal armed
MOFU in all of human history and hes not going to shut
up or go away silently
I dont buy a black-swan just like its been since the
1970s just more loss of USD buying power and the
USA descends into a FEUDAL nation and keeps
funding the FSA to keep the convicts in their homes
Japan has pulled it off for 30 years now certainly the
USA will do the same FIAT to INFINITY in secret and
Tapered in PUBLIC
Those banking on a black-swan collapse of the USA
will be dissapointed a CIVIL-WAR yes but that is
just because the USA is desperate for a RESET and
now with the lack of conscription you cant even
send them off to die in foriegn wars anymore
The USA will just get more Orwellian and harder to
leave
Most likely MILLIONS will be sent to FEMA-CAMPS in
HILLARY-2016 and ZH will not even report it as
news thats how conditioned you will all be to in
seeing frogs boiled alive
Smart Red-Necks are already putting their HILLARY
2016 Bumper Stickers on their F100s
satoshi911
Fire - FIRE - LOOK
over there
It seems that every fucking guru andor expert is saying LOOK
OVER THERE when you see or hear an orchestra look for a
conductor Me thinks there is something at home they dont want
you to see
Its fairly clear that in ASIA markets are dropping cuz folks are
getting out of the stock market in the meantime the USA
market goes up cuz the FED just keeps buying more stock
I suspect this is to make it appear that the USA is as safe as
fucking an HIV whore with a condom
When I search the news the 1 story I see is not CHINA IS
FALLING but here on ZH they certainly want you to think so
How is GROSS doing for his customers Anybody as big as him is
sucking AIPAC cock and you know it Why the fuck has he not
retired to Tel-Aviv and enjoying his short life
One last argument for DEAR LEADER GROSS cuz it PISSES me
off the way folks got rich from 1950 to 1990 aka BUFFET-
BITCH and GROSS-BITCH The way fortunes in the USA were
made was to BUY companys rob the pension fund cash and
replace with IOUs Rinse and repeat and today all pensions in
private sector are gone
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Gross is a world class asshole and criminal to attempt to tell
morons that GREAT FORTUNES were made by INVESTING they were
not all great fortunes in the past 40 years were made by
THEFT
satoshi911
About 10 of the
CONTENT of the GROSS interview was on CHINA but ZH
put CHINA on the post title enough said its all what we
call blogger fodder to send commenters to their keyboard death
Goldman-SachsAIPAC has a hardon for CHINA this we know
Telling that GOLDMAN-SACHS sold all their interest last MAY in
ICBC then and only then did they go full retard to give it a
bad name but all the toxic mystery meat in question here
came from the Goldman-Sach NUT-SACK
TheGoldMyth
Steve Keen on private
debt and Australia and BitCoin as an enduring platform
Published on Jan 22 2014
Steve Keen is a well-known economist who is considered one of
the leading critics of mainstream economics treatment of debt and
money He considers himself a post-Keynesian in that he adheres to
John Maynard Keynes idea that demand matters in the long as well
as the short run But his focus is debt and specifically how Hyman
Minskys financial instability hypothesis is reflected in highly
indebted economies
Right now Dr Keen is working on an ambitious mathematical model
of financial instability called simply Minsky
Erin Ade spoke with Dr Keen about debt generally and private debt
specifically as well as the Australian economy
Also Erin Ade and Edward Harrison discuss how Bitcoin purchases
at casino hotels will be processed through BitPay a service that
streamlines transactions using tablet and mobile interfaces Could
BitCoin itself crash and burn but the platform and application
endure anyway
Spungo
Bill Gross plays Fallout
3 Who knew
Bdelande
Note to the Federal
Reserve
Dear Janet February 4th 2014
If I may be so forward I felt compelled to pass on a quick note
from a most concerned permanent resident of the United States of
America
Purposely degrading this Nations hard earned reserve currency
status that was so honorably delivered to you by previous
generations who built this great country from the ground up
through their virtuous and industrious blood sweat and tears only
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to then implement a disgracefully lamentable monetary policy which
deliberately steals from future unborn generations in order to
facilitate living standards beyond our means so as to maintain an
unearned undeserved and unprincipled culture of grotesque mass
over-consumption can only be characterized as a deplorable
unconscionable abomination of Biblical proportion
Respectfully yours
Le Baron Bruno Camille Soucanye de Landevoisn
chump666
A really good point
GROSS Well not many The way to get rich in the past was
to borrow money and to lever hedge funds and levered corporate
situations in terms of buyouts et cetera et cetera or to buy the
stock market in 2013 which itself is a levered type of investment
Corporations borrow 40 to 50 percent of their balance sheet They
lever up and you can buy equities in a levered type of situation So
leverage over the past 20 to 30 years Stephanie has really
produced this total return high return type of investment market
that investors have grown used to Pension funds think 7 8 9
percent is what they should expect which means 4 percent from
bonds and 12 percent from stocks Not going to happen because
basically wersquove been priced into the market Assets are artificially
priced And from this point forward double-digit returns getting
rich on leverage no You better look elsewhere for ndash for your
profits
Leverage up and buy a shtload of lottery tickets better chance
Dubaibanker
If China is so
unimportant then why is Bill Gross talking about it
Why not talk about Eritrea or Seychelles or Benin instead They are
very important to the global economic conditionsGross must
invest there if he does not like or understand China
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point At PIMCO yes wersquore promoting equities as well
and so therersquos a place for all of them
One last point though I think the era of getting rich
quickly is over and I think almost that the era of
getting rich slowly is over too And so investors should
simply bring down their return estimations and
prepare for a little bit of volatility going forward
GROSS Well not many The way to get rich in the past
was to borrow money and to lever hedge funds and
levered corporate situations in terms of buyouts et
cetera et cetera or to buy the stock market in 2013
which itself is a levered type of investment Corporations
borrow 40 to 50 percent of their balance sheet They
lever up and you can buy equities in a levered type of
situation So leverage over the past 20 to 30 years
Stephanie has really produced this total return high
return type of investment market that investors have
grown used to Pension funds think 7 8 9 percent is
what they should expect which means 4 percent from
bonds and 12 percent from stocks Not going to happen
because basically wersquove been priced into the market
Assets are artificially priced And from this point
forward double-digit returns getting rich on
leverage no You better look elsewhere for ndash for your
profits
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fijisailor
The latest Snowden
interview with German TV
httplibertyblitzkriegcom20140204video-of-the-day-edward-
snowdens
macholatte
China is the Predator of Planet Earth Everyone else is
mystery meat
Leveraged Algorithm
The
unconstrained
bond funds are the
mystery meat Full of derivatives and will suffer huge
losses when Kyle Bass has the Japan default High yield
short duration - are you fucking nuts Get ready
Wahooo
Yep They
cook up
shit and they dont
even know whats
in it
Boris
Alatovkrap
Boris is
one
time
travel in China Food is get very very boring and
more is grotesque One day restaurant is serve very
delicious meat dish Boris is ask waiter what is
inside but Boris is forget dictionary at hotel in room
so just nod head Other dinner guest is also enjoy
so we are order more and more until so stuffing
cannot move from table So sit and talk sit and talk
very laughter gregarious moment After hour or so
Boris is once again hungry and is remembering
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delicious meat dish so is put on full plate and start
eat again Big mistake Now is cool off as Boris is
take bite is realization meat is not meat but is deep
fry testicle sack
No no Boris just kidding Actually is deep fry pork
fat But is grotesque and now Boris is can never
again to eat China epicurean
TheGoldMyth
Boris you could ask for your money
back from The Peoples Bank of China
Take deep fry testicle sack to owner
(Central bank PBC ) and convert back into
Yen
TheGoldMyth
Wahoo
Exactly like
America where GMO want to remove labeling so
people do not know if product is GM or not Nobody
would know what organism they are eatingIt could
be genetically modifiedengineered chicken
fetus pate and the labeling wouldnt say so It
might be sold as Chicken Spread
What is in cooked up in financial product is no
different
Leveraged Algorithm
Bill is fighting
to keep assets
as Pimco
implodesMost work he has done in years
TheGoldMyth
macholatte
You need to
look more
closely at who owns the country or governs it This is
usually a central bank
In modern times governments and countries are not
souvereign instead they are privatisedowned by their
respective central banks that dictate to the governments
what they want to happen Policy and so forth The word
China or the word America are owned by a private
central bank One day country names will be removed
to avoid the confusing people like yourself For instance
America will be called simply FED Another example is
Greece where instead of telling someone (In order to
impress) that you are going to the greek islands for a
holiday you would say i am going to the JP Morgan
islands -)
EDIT OopsMIstake China would be called The Peoples
Bank of China so people going on holdiays there would
say HeyI am going to The Peoples Bank of China
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or PBC for a holiday
From Wikipedia
The Peoples Bank of China (PBC or PBOC) is the central
bank of the Peoples Republic of China with the power to
control monetary policy and regulate financial institutions in
mainland China The Peoples Bank of China has the most
financial assets of any single public finance institution in
history[2]
The Dunce
China has been
blowing up for forever and a day Yet it keeps chugging
on Im not holding my breath Doomsday will happen
when the sun starts burning hydrogen in another 10 billion
years Until then we should be OK
Skateboarder
Skip to 1130
Something weird about this guy
PGR88
Its his hair-cut
The Left side
goes well over
his ear but the right side is very short
With his money you would think he could afford a decent
hair-cut
steve2241
Im not sure
what youre
referring to
but its been reported in the media that he takes medicine
for epilepsy
Tim_
Whether itrsquos
provided I
canrsquot speak to until itrsquos
been reported because it would be classified and I prefer
that journalists make the distinctions and the decisions
about what is public interest and what should be published
(Source)
I donrsquot want to pre-empt the editorial decisions of
journalists but what I will say is therersquos no question that the
US is engaged in economic spying (Source)
However as Irsquove said before I prefer for journalists to make
those decisions in advance review the material themselves
and decide whether or not the public value of this
information outweighs the sort of reputational cost to the
officials that ordered the surveillance (Source)
stant
ides of march my
father was 7th armour my father inlaw 1st and 6th marinei
thank god for edwardi would rather be poor and free than live like
a slave
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Cacete de Ouro
The more time passes
the more likely it seems that Christopher Walken and Bill
Gross were actually separated at birth
The Gooch
moar gong
macholatte
more cowbell
httpwwwebaumsworldcomvideowatch628756
A Buttle
That is one smart
skeleton
AdvancingTime
Fast growth tends to
mask flaws and weakness within a system and China has
been growing like a weed for years To make things worse
many of the investment decisions were driven by politics This has
created massive overcapacity Money has been poorly allocated
and often shoveled into deep holes like ghost cities and bridges to
nowhere
Currently a 66 trillion dollar spending spree used as stimulus to
combat global economic slowdown is coming back to haunt China
This has greatly expanded credit and created huge overcapacity
during the past five years A massive debt crisis now looms in the
offing as companies struggle to repay loans taken on newly built
factories that sit idle because of weak demand More on this
subject below
httpbrucewildsblogspotcom201311china-land-of-
overcapacity-and-de
fijisailor
Its hard to
envision collapse in China with their huge share of the
market for nearly every manufactured item Go to any country
and simply view the assortment and quantity of products made
in China Mismanagement and inefficiency on one hand but
huge productive output on the other On top of that the
information coming out of China is not believable and very few
know whats going on within
FreeMktFisherMN
its their
proclivity to
save (and in
terms of PMs evidently) that has carried them They
understand the value of savings whereas Western nations
are about borrowing and consuming
TruthInSunshine
China is the mystery
meat Battered deep fried General Tsos Chicken
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Did it go Woof Woof Eeek Eeek Or Meow
NoDebt
Translation Im on
the wrong side of this and out of ideas
4shzl
Id guess this is his
usual head fake and that hes buying the 30-yr as fast
as he can
Dr Engali
I have a word for you
to consider Bill Retirement
syntaxterror
How much mystery
meat is in Bills bond fund that yields 275 Anyone even
care to guess
Cacete de Ouro
high yield =
extended quality = goat meat
disabledvet
I think if youre a bank
you can become more than rich restructuring debt and
getting those mines factories and energy plays moving
I agree it wont be easy though
Asset prices are all out of whack (no questions about California real
estate in this interview) and its really hard for me to see how we
get from here to there in the sense of being something other
than a speculator
A lot of risk on the table
Some of the losses over the past six months have been truly
spectacular
And the leverage these clowns are playing around with
well what other asset is left as far as capital appreciation goes
here
A drop in yields to one half of one percent on the thirty year would
make quite a statement
httpwwwyoutubecomwatchv=RcL6DwSufMI
Carl Popper
China is the country of
the future
and always will be
FredFlintstone
The future aint what
it used to be Yogi
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PGR88
ERA OF GETTING
RICH QUICKLY IS OVER
ERA OF GETTING RICH SLOWLY IS ALSO OVER
ERA OF GETTING POOR QUICKLY HAS BEGUN
chump666
Kinda makes me wonder
why Faber is suggesting the 10yr for safe-haven the bond
markets could be in for trouble if Asia starts implicating
capital controls to stop their currencies collapsing and outflows
despite this slowdown
Philippines 0402 GMT [Dow Jones] Bangko Sentral ng Pilipinas
will raise overnight interest rates by 50 bps in the second half
of 2014 according to most of 11 economists in a poll by The
Wall Street Journal
satoshi911
Faber is rather
consistent stay with KING DOLLAR while he is king
problem is the exit I suspect that FABER knows that
the the US-Treasury is very liquid
IMHO I follow the school to keep your $$$ in HKD which is 100
tied to UNCLE-SAMs nut-sack but should the USD implode
HKD will become RMB ( tied to YUAN nut-sack ) over-night
thats the only safe bet
I think that FABER wants to keep it safe
Lastly if FABER was to tell MORONS to NOT put their
money into the US-TREASURY debt he would NOT be on
USA MSM TV FABER obviously gets great pleasure from
being an expertguru on TV but the actions that he is
allowed to give the viewers are essentially KEEP YOUR
MONEY IN THE USA
On the other hand privately him and Rogers say to
diversify your CASH
Only 3 AAA currency SGD CHF and NOKCNY Right
chump666
Interesting But
in relation to
Grosss fears and
general fears that Asia is ready blow or implode taking the
whole EM complex down with it I would 100 watch
capital controls on EMAsian outflows this will have an
impact on the so-called liquid bond markets for safe
havens Remember Japan bond and stock meltdown June
2013 This could happen in America and could destroy
billions in seconds We are living in very dangerous time for
markets The 80 on the DXY is drawn by the Fed they
know a USD crisis is stone throw away All and all this
whole market could blow up spectacularly for ALL save
havens except physical gold being the only haven
satoshi911
Only 3
AAA
currency
SGD CHF and
NOK (CNY) Right
Its a great narrative that all currency will collapse and
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everything is fucked just like the USA but thats not
how history shows it
When hyper-inflation comes money just moves
Like Fabers great toilet bowl sloshing money from one
bowl to the next India to UK to USA
You have to diversify and there is NO reason that those
with AAA will take the hit Its a great narrative that
when the USD fails that everything else fails but I dont
buy it and history says other wise
We all wait and pray for when the USDUSA goes tits
up sadly it may not happen in our lifetime
King DOllar is backed by the most homocidal armed
MOFU in all of human history and hes not going to shut
up or go away silently
I dont buy a black-swan just like its been since the
1970s just more loss of USD buying power and the
USA descends into a FEUDAL nation and keeps
funding the FSA to keep the convicts in their homes
Japan has pulled it off for 30 years now certainly the
USA will do the same FIAT to INFINITY in secret and
Tapered in PUBLIC
Those banking on a black-swan collapse of the USA
will be dissapointed a CIVIL-WAR yes but that is
just because the USA is desperate for a RESET and
now with the lack of conscription you cant even
send them off to die in foriegn wars anymore
The USA will just get more Orwellian and harder to
leave
Most likely MILLIONS will be sent to FEMA-CAMPS in
HILLARY-2016 and ZH will not even report it as
news thats how conditioned you will all be to in
seeing frogs boiled alive
Smart Red-Necks are already putting their HILLARY
2016 Bumper Stickers on their F100s
satoshi911
Fire - FIRE - LOOK
over there
It seems that every fucking guru andor expert is saying LOOK
OVER THERE when you see or hear an orchestra look for a
conductor Me thinks there is something at home they dont want
you to see
Its fairly clear that in ASIA markets are dropping cuz folks are
getting out of the stock market in the meantime the USA
market goes up cuz the FED just keeps buying more stock
I suspect this is to make it appear that the USA is as safe as
fucking an HIV whore with a condom
When I search the news the 1 story I see is not CHINA IS
FALLING but here on ZH they certainly want you to think so
How is GROSS doing for his customers Anybody as big as him is
sucking AIPAC cock and you know it Why the fuck has he not
retired to Tel-Aviv and enjoying his short life
One last argument for DEAR LEADER GROSS cuz it PISSES me
off the way folks got rich from 1950 to 1990 aka BUFFET-
BITCH and GROSS-BITCH The way fortunes in the USA were
made was to BUY companys rob the pension fund cash and
replace with IOUs Rinse and repeat and today all pensions in
private sector are gone
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Gross is a world class asshole and criminal to attempt to tell
morons that GREAT FORTUNES were made by INVESTING they were
not all great fortunes in the past 40 years were made by
THEFT
satoshi911
About 10 of the
CONTENT of the GROSS interview was on CHINA but ZH
put CHINA on the post title enough said its all what we
call blogger fodder to send commenters to their keyboard death
Goldman-SachsAIPAC has a hardon for CHINA this we know
Telling that GOLDMAN-SACHS sold all their interest last MAY in
ICBC then and only then did they go full retard to give it a
bad name but all the toxic mystery meat in question here
came from the Goldman-Sach NUT-SACK
TheGoldMyth
Steve Keen on private
debt and Australia and BitCoin as an enduring platform
Published on Jan 22 2014
Steve Keen is a well-known economist who is considered one of
the leading critics of mainstream economics treatment of debt and
money He considers himself a post-Keynesian in that he adheres to
John Maynard Keynes idea that demand matters in the long as well
as the short run But his focus is debt and specifically how Hyman
Minskys financial instability hypothesis is reflected in highly
indebted economies
Right now Dr Keen is working on an ambitious mathematical model
of financial instability called simply Minsky
Erin Ade spoke with Dr Keen about debt generally and private debt
specifically as well as the Australian economy
Also Erin Ade and Edward Harrison discuss how Bitcoin purchases
at casino hotels will be processed through BitPay a service that
streamlines transactions using tablet and mobile interfaces Could
BitCoin itself crash and burn but the platform and application
endure anyway
Spungo
Bill Gross plays Fallout
3 Who knew
Bdelande
Note to the Federal
Reserve
Dear Janet February 4th 2014
If I may be so forward I felt compelled to pass on a quick note
from a most concerned permanent resident of the United States of
America
Purposely degrading this Nations hard earned reserve currency
status that was so honorably delivered to you by previous
generations who built this great country from the ground up
through their virtuous and industrious blood sweat and tears only
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to then implement a disgracefully lamentable monetary policy which
deliberately steals from future unborn generations in order to
facilitate living standards beyond our means so as to maintain an
unearned undeserved and unprincipled culture of grotesque mass
over-consumption can only be characterized as a deplorable
unconscionable abomination of Biblical proportion
Respectfully yours
Le Baron Bruno Camille Soucanye de Landevoisn
chump666
A really good point
GROSS Well not many The way to get rich in the past was
to borrow money and to lever hedge funds and levered corporate
situations in terms of buyouts et cetera et cetera or to buy the
stock market in 2013 which itself is a levered type of investment
Corporations borrow 40 to 50 percent of their balance sheet They
lever up and you can buy equities in a levered type of situation So
leverage over the past 20 to 30 years Stephanie has really
produced this total return high return type of investment market
that investors have grown used to Pension funds think 7 8 9
percent is what they should expect which means 4 percent from
bonds and 12 percent from stocks Not going to happen because
basically wersquove been priced into the market Assets are artificially
priced And from this point forward double-digit returns getting
rich on leverage no You better look elsewhere for ndash for your
profits
Leverage up and buy a shtload of lottery tickets better chance
Dubaibanker
If China is so
unimportant then why is Bill Gross talking about it
Why not talk about Eritrea or Seychelles or Benin instead They are
very important to the global economic conditionsGross must
invest there if he does not like or understand China
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fijisailor
The latest Snowden
interview with German TV
httplibertyblitzkriegcom20140204video-of-the-day-edward-
snowdens
macholatte
China is the Predator of Planet Earth Everyone else is
mystery meat
Leveraged Algorithm
The
unconstrained
bond funds are the
mystery meat Full of derivatives and will suffer huge
losses when Kyle Bass has the Japan default High yield
short duration - are you fucking nuts Get ready
Wahooo
Yep They
cook up
shit and they dont
even know whats
in it
Boris
Alatovkrap
Boris is
one
time
travel in China Food is get very very boring and
more is grotesque One day restaurant is serve very
delicious meat dish Boris is ask waiter what is
inside but Boris is forget dictionary at hotel in room
so just nod head Other dinner guest is also enjoy
so we are order more and more until so stuffing
cannot move from table So sit and talk sit and talk
very laughter gregarious moment After hour or so
Boris is once again hungry and is remembering
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delicious meat dish so is put on full plate and start
eat again Big mistake Now is cool off as Boris is
take bite is realization meat is not meat but is deep
fry testicle sack
No no Boris just kidding Actually is deep fry pork
fat But is grotesque and now Boris is can never
again to eat China epicurean
TheGoldMyth
Boris you could ask for your money
back from The Peoples Bank of China
Take deep fry testicle sack to owner
(Central bank PBC ) and convert back into
Yen
TheGoldMyth
Wahoo
Exactly like
America where GMO want to remove labeling so
people do not know if product is GM or not Nobody
would know what organism they are eatingIt could
be genetically modifiedengineered chicken
fetus pate and the labeling wouldnt say so It
might be sold as Chicken Spread
What is in cooked up in financial product is no
different
Leveraged Algorithm
Bill is fighting
to keep assets
as Pimco
implodesMost work he has done in years
TheGoldMyth
macholatte
You need to
look more
closely at who owns the country or governs it This is
usually a central bank
In modern times governments and countries are not
souvereign instead they are privatisedowned by their
respective central banks that dictate to the governments
what they want to happen Policy and so forth The word
China or the word America are owned by a private
central bank One day country names will be removed
to avoid the confusing people like yourself For instance
America will be called simply FED Another example is
Greece where instead of telling someone (In order to
impress) that you are going to the greek islands for a
holiday you would say i am going to the JP Morgan
islands -)
EDIT OopsMIstake China would be called The Peoples
Bank of China so people going on holdiays there would
say HeyI am going to The Peoples Bank of China
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or PBC for a holiday
From Wikipedia
The Peoples Bank of China (PBC or PBOC) is the central
bank of the Peoples Republic of China with the power to
control monetary policy and regulate financial institutions in
mainland China The Peoples Bank of China has the most
financial assets of any single public finance institution in
history[2]
The Dunce
China has been
blowing up for forever and a day Yet it keeps chugging
on Im not holding my breath Doomsday will happen
when the sun starts burning hydrogen in another 10 billion
years Until then we should be OK
Skateboarder
Skip to 1130
Something weird about this guy
PGR88
Its his hair-cut
The Left side
goes well over
his ear but the right side is very short
With his money you would think he could afford a decent
hair-cut
steve2241
Im not sure
what youre
referring to
but its been reported in the media that he takes medicine
for epilepsy
Tim_
Whether itrsquos
provided I
canrsquot speak to until itrsquos
been reported because it would be classified and I prefer
that journalists make the distinctions and the decisions
about what is public interest and what should be published
(Source)
I donrsquot want to pre-empt the editorial decisions of
journalists but what I will say is therersquos no question that the
US is engaged in economic spying (Source)
However as Irsquove said before I prefer for journalists to make
those decisions in advance review the material themselves
and decide whether or not the public value of this
information outweighs the sort of reputational cost to the
officials that ordered the surveillance (Source)
stant
ides of march my
father was 7th armour my father inlaw 1st and 6th marinei
thank god for edwardi would rather be poor and free than live like
a slave
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Cacete de Ouro
The more time passes
the more likely it seems that Christopher Walken and Bill
Gross were actually separated at birth
The Gooch
moar gong
macholatte
more cowbell
httpwwwebaumsworldcomvideowatch628756
A Buttle
That is one smart
skeleton
AdvancingTime
Fast growth tends to
mask flaws and weakness within a system and China has
been growing like a weed for years To make things worse
many of the investment decisions were driven by politics This has
created massive overcapacity Money has been poorly allocated
and often shoveled into deep holes like ghost cities and bridges to
nowhere
Currently a 66 trillion dollar spending spree used as stimulus to
combat global economic slowdown is coming back to haunt China
This has greatly expanded credit and created huge overcapacity
during the past five years A massive debt crisis now looms in the
offing as companies struggle to repay loans taken on newly built
factories that sit idle because of weak demand More on this
subject below
httpbrucewildsblogspotcom201311china-land-of-
overcapacity-and-de
fijisailor
Its hard to
envision collapse in China with their huge share of the
market for nearly every manufactured item Go to any country
and simply view the assortment and quantity of products made
in China Mismanagement and inefficiency on one hand but
huge productive output on the other On top of that the
information coming out of China is not believable and very few
know whats going on within
FreeMktFisherMN
its their
proclivity to
save (and in
terms of PMs evidently) that has carried them They
understand the value of savings whereas Western nations
are about borrowing and consuming
TruthInSunshine
China is the mystery
meat Battered deep fried General Tsos Chicken
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Did it go Woof Woof Eeek Eeek Or Meow
NoDebt
Translation Im on
the wrong side of this and out of ideas
4shzl
Id guess this is his
usual head fake and that hes buying the 30-yr as fast
as he can
Dr Engali
I have a word for you
to consider Bill Retirement
syntaxterror
How much mystery
meat is in Bills bond fund that yields 275 Anyone even
care to guess
Cacete de Ouro
high yield =
extended quality = goat meat
disabledvet
I think if youre a bank
you can become more than rich restructuring debt and
getting those mines factories and energy plays moving
I agree it wont be easy though
Asset prices are all out of whack (no questions about California real
estate in this interview) and its really hard for me to see how we
get from here to there in the sense of being something other
than a speculator
A lot of risk on the table
Some of the losses over the past six months have been truly
spectacular
And the leverage these clowns are playing around with
well what other asset is left as far as capital appreciation goes
here
A drop in yields to one half of one percent on the thirty year would
make quite a statement
httpwwwyoutubecomwatchv=RcL6DwSufMI
Carl Popper
China is the country of
the future
and always will be
FredFlintstone
The future aint what
it used to be Yogi
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PGR88
ERA OF GETTING
RICH QUICKLY IS OVER
ERA OF GETTING RICH SLOWLY IS ALSO OVER
ERA OF GETTING POOR QUICKLY HAS BEGUN
chump666
Kinda makes me wonder
why Faber is suggesting the 10yr for safe-haven the bond
markets could be in for trouble if Asia starts implicating
capital controls to stop their currencies collapsing and outflows
despite this slowdown
Philippines 0402 GMT [Dow Jones] Bangko Sentral ng Pilipinas
will raise overnight interest rates by 50 bps in the second half
of 2014 according to most of 11 economists in a poll by The
Wall Street Journal
satoshi911
Faber is rather
consistent stay with KING DOLLAR while he is king
problem is the exit I suspect that FABER knows that
the the US-Treasury is very liquid
IMHO I follow the school to keep your $$$ in HKD which is 100
tied to UNCLE-SAMs nut-sack but should the USD implode
HKD will become RMB ( tied to YUAN nut-sack ) over-night
thats the only safe bet
I think that FABER wants to keep it safe
Lastly if FABER was to tell MORONS to NOT put their
money into the US-TREASURY debt he would NOT be on
USA MSM TV FABER obviously gets great pleasure from
being an expertguru on TV but the actions that he is
allowed to give the viewers are essentially KEEP YOUR
MONEY IN THE USA
On the other hand privately him and Rogers say to
diversify your CASH
Only 3 AAA currency SGD CHF and NOKCNY Right
chump666
Interesting But
in relation to
Grosss fears and
general fears that Asia is ready blow or implode taking the
whole EM complex down with it I would 100 watch
capital controls on EMAsian outflows this will have an
impact on the so-called liquid bond markets for safe
havens Remember Japan bond and stock meltdown June
2013 This could happen in America and could destroy
billions in seconds We are living in very dangerous time for
markets The 80 on the DXY is drawn by the Fed they
know a USD crisis is stone throw away All and all this
whole market could blow up spectacularly for ALL save
havens except physical gold being the only haven
satoshi911
Only 3
AAA
currency
SGD CHF and
NOK (CNY) Right
Its a great narrative that all currency will collapse and
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everything is fucked just like the USA but thats not
how history shows it
When hyper-inflation comes money just moves
Like Fabers great toilet bowl sloshing money from one
bowl to the next India to UK to USA
You have to diversify and there is NO reason that those
with AAA will take the hit Its a great narrative that
when the USD fails that everything else fails but I dont
buy it and history says other wise
We all wait and pray for when the USDUSA goes tits
up sadly it may not happen in our lifetime
King DOllar is backed by the most homocidal armed
MOFU in all of human history and hes not going to shut
up or go away silently
I dont buy a black-swan just like its been since the
1970s just more loss of USD buying power and the
USA descends into a FEUDAL nation and keeps
funding the FSA to keep the convicts in their homes
Japan has pulled it off for 30 years now certainly the
USA will do the same FIAT to INFINITY in secret and
Tapered in PUBLIC
Those banking on a black-swan collapse of the USA
will be dissapointed a CIVIL-WAR yes but that is
just because the USA is desperate for a RESET and
now with the lack of conscription you cant even
send them off to die in foriegn wars anymore
The USA will just get more Orwellian and harder to
leave
Most likely MILLIONS will be sent to FEMA-CAMPS in
HILLARY-2016 and ZH will not even report it as
news thats how conditioned you will all be to in
seeing frogs boiled alive
Smart Red-Necks are already putting their HILLARY
2016 Bumper Stickers on their F100s
satoshi911
Fire - FIRE - LOOK
over there
It seems that every fucking guru andor expert is saying LOOK
OVER THERE when you see or hear an orchestra look for a
conductor Me thinks there is something at home they dont want
you to see
Its fairly clear that in ASIA markets are dropping cuz folks are
getting out of the stock market in the meantime the USA
market goes up cuz the FED just keeps buying more stock
I suspect this is to make it appear that the USA is as safe as
fucking an HIV whore with a condom
When I search the news the 1 story I see is not CHINA IS
FALLING but here on ZH they certainly want you to think so
How is GROSS doing for his customers Anybody as big as him is
sucking AIPAC cock and you know it Why the fuck has he not
retired to Tel-Aviv and enjoying his short life
One last argument for DEAR LEADER GROSS cuz it PISSES me
off the way folks got rich from 1950 to 1990 aka BUFFET-
BITCH and GROSS-BITCH The way fortunes in the USA were
made was to BUY companys rob the pension fund cash and
replace with IOUs Rinse and repeat and today all pensions in
private sector are gone
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Gross is a world class asshole and criminal to attempt to tell
morons that GREAT FORTUNES were made by INVESTING they were
not all great fortunes in the past 40 years were made by
THEFT
satoshi911
About 10 of the
CONTENT of the GROSS interview was on CHINA but ZH
put CHINA on the post title enough said its all what we
call blogger fodder to send commenters to their keyboard death
Goldman-SachsAIPAC has a hardon for CHINA this we know
Telling that GOLDMAN-SACHS sold all their interest last MAY in
ICBC then and only then did they go full retard to give it a
bad name but all the toxic mystery meat in question here
came from the Goldman-Sach NUT-SACK
TheGoldMyth
Steve Keen on private
debt and Australia and BitCoin as an enduring platform
Published on Jan 22 2014
Steve Keen is a well-known economist who is considered one of
the leading critics of mainstream economics treatment of debt and
money He considers himself a post-Keynesian in that he adheres to
John Maynard Keynes idea that demand matters in the long as well
as the short run But his focus is debt and specifically how Hyman
Minskys financial instability hypothesis is reflected in highly
indebted economies
Right now Dr Keen is working on an ambitious mathematical model
of financial instability called simply Minsky
Erin Ade spoke with Dr Keen about debt generally and private debt
specifically as well as the Australian economy
Also Erin Ade and Edward Harrison discuss how Bitcoin purchases
at casino hotels will be processed through BitPay a service that
streamlines transactions using tablet and mobile interfaces Could
BitCoin itself crash and burn but the platform and application
endure anyway
Spungo
Bill Gross plays Fallout
3 Who knew
Bdelande
Note to the Federal
Reserve
Dear Janet February 4th 2014
If I may be so forward I felt compelled to pass on a quick note
from a most concerned permanent resident of the United States of
America
Purposely degrading this Nations hard earned reserve currency
status that was so honorably delivered to you by previous
generations who built this great country from the ground up
through their virtuous and industrious blood sweat and tears only
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to then implement a disgracefully lamentable monetary policy which
deliberately steals from future unborn generations in order to
facilitate living standards beyond our means so as to maintain an
unearned undeserved and unprincipled culture of grotesque mass
over-consumption can only be characterized as a deplorable
unconscionable abomination of Biblical proportion
Respectfully yours
Le Baron Bruno Camille Soucanye de Landevoisn
chump666
A really good point
GROSS Well not many The way to get rich in the past was
to borrow money and to lever hedge funds and levered corporate
situations in terms of buyouts et cetera et cetera or to buy the
stock market in 2013 which itself is a levered type of investment
Corporations borrow 40 to 50 percent of their balance sheet They
lever up and you can buy equities in a levered type of situation So
leverage over the past 20 to 30 years Stephanie has really
produced this total return high return type of investment market
that investors have grown used to Pension funds think 7 8 9
percent is what they should expect which means 4 percent from
bonds and 12 percent from stocks Not going to happen because
basically wersquove been priced into the market Assets are artificially
priced And from this point forward double-digit returns getting
rich on leverage no You better look elsewhere for ndash for your
profits
Leverage up and buy a shtload of lottery tickets better chance
Dubaibanker
If China is so
unimportant then why is Bill Gross talking about it
Why not talk about Eritrea or Seychelles or Benin instead They are
very important to the global economic conditionsGross must
invest there if he does not like or understand China
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delicious meat dish so is put on full plate and start
eat again Big mistake Now is cool off as Boris is
take bite is realization meat is not meat but is deep
fry testicle sack
No no Boris just kidding Actually is deep fry pork
fat But is grotesque and now Boris is can never
again to eat China epicurean
TheGoldMyth
Boris you could ask for your money
back from The Peoples Bank of China
Take deep fry testicle sack to owner
(Central bank PBC ) and convert back into
Yen
TheGoldMyth
Wahoo
Exactly like
America where GMO want to remove labeling so
people do not know if product is GM or not Nobody
would know what organism they are eatingIt could
be genetically modifiedengineered chicken
fetus pate and the labeling wouldnt say so It
might be sold as Chicken Spread
What is in cooked up in financial product is no
different
Leveraged Algorithm
Bill is fighting
to keep assets
as Pimco
implodesMost work he has done in years
TheGoldMyth
macholatte
You need to
look more
closely at who owns the country or governs it This is
usually a central bank
In modern times governments and countries are not
souvereign instead they are privatisedowned by their
respective central banks that dictate to the governments
what they want to happen Policy and so forth The word
China or the word America are owned by a private
central bank One day country names will be removed
to avoid the confusing people like yourself For instance
America will be called simply FED Another example is
Greece where instead of telling someone (In order to
impress) that you are going to the greek islands for a
holiday you would say i am going to the JP Morgan
islands -)
EDIT OopsMIstake China would be called The Peoples
Bank of China so people going on holdiays there would
say HeyI am going to The Peoples Bank of China
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or PBC for a holiday
From Wikipedia
The Peoples Bank of China (PBC or PBOC) is the central
bank of the Peoples Republic of China with the power to
control monetary policy and regulate financial institutions in
mainland China The Peoples Bank of China has the most
financial assets of any single public finance institution in
history[2]
The Dunce
China has been
blowing up for forever and a day Yet it keeps chugging
on Im not holding my breath Doomsday will happen
when the sun starts burning hydrogen in another 10 billion
years Until then we should be OK
Skateboarder
Skip to 1130
Something weird about this guy
PGR88
Its his hair-cut
The Left side
goes well over
his ear but the right side is very short
With his money you would think he could afford a decent
hair-cut
steve2241
Im not sure
what youre
referring to
but its been reported in the media that he takes medicine
for epilepsy
Tim_
Whether itrsquos
provided I
canrsquot speak to until itrsquos
been reported because it would be classified and I prefer
that journalists make the distinctions and the decisions
about what is public interest and what should be published
(Source)
I donrsquot want to pre-empt the editorial decisions of
journalists but what I will say is therersquos no question that the
US is engaged in economic spying (Source)
However as Irsquove said before I prefer for journalists to make
those decisions in advance review the material themselves
and decide whether or not the public value of this
information outweighs the sort of reputational cost to the
officials that ordered the surveillance (Source)
stant
ides of march my
father was 7th armour my father inlaw 1st and 6th marinei
thank god for edwardi would rather be poor and free than live like
a slave
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Cacete de Ouro
The more time passes
the more likely it seems that Christopher Walken and Bill
Gross were actually separated at birth
The Gooch
moar gong
macholatte
more cowbell
httpwwwebaumsworldcomvideowatch628756
A Buttle
That is one smart
skeleton
AdvancingTime
Fast growth tends to
mask flaws and weakness within a system and China has
been growing like a weed for years To make things worse
many of the investment decisions were driven by politics This has
created massive overcapacity Money has been poorly allocated
and often shoveled into deep holes like ghost cities and bridges to
nowhere
Currently a 66 trillion dollar spending spree used as stimulus to
combat global economic slowdown is coming back to haunt China
This has greatly expanded credit and created huge overcapacity
during the past five years A massive debt crisis now looms in the
offing as companies struggle to repay loans taken on newly built
factories that sit idle because of weak demand More on this
subject below
httpbrucewildsblogspotcom201311china-land-of-
overcapacity-and-de
fijisailor
Its hard to
envision collapse in China with their huge share of the
market for nearly every manufactured item Go to any country
and simply view the assortment and quantity of products made
in China Mismanagement and inefficiency on one hand but
huge productive output on the other On top of that the
information coming out of China is not believable and very few
know whats going on within
FreeMktFisherMN
its their
proclivity to
save (and in
terms of PMs evidently) that has carried them They
understand the value of savings whereas Western nations
are about borrowing and consuming
TruthInSunshine
China is the mystery
meat Battered deep fried General Tsos Chicken
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Did it go Woof Woof Eeek Eeek Or Meow
NoDebt
Translation Im on
the wrong side of this and out of ideas
4shzl
Id guess this is his
usual head fake and that hes buying the 30-yr as fast
as he can
Dr Engali
I have a word for you
to consider Bill Retirement
syntaxterror
How much mystery
meat is in Bills bond fund that yields 275 Anyone even
care to guess
Cacete de Ouro
high yield =
extended quality = goat meat
disabledvet
I think if youre a bank
you can become more than rich restructuring debt and
getting those mines factories and energy plays moving
I agree it wont be easy though
Asset prices are all out of whack (no questions about California real
estate in this interview) and its really hard for me to see how we
get from here to there in the sense of being something other
than a speculator
A lot of risk on the table
Some of the losses over the past six months have been truly
spectacular
And the leverage these clowns are playing around with
well what other asset is left as far as capital appreciation goes
here
A drop in yields to one half of one percent on the thirty year would
make quite a statement
httpwwwyoutubecomwatchv=RcL6DwSufMI
Carl Popper
China is the country of
the future
and always will be
FredFlintstone
The future aint what
it used to be Yogi
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PGR88
ERA OF GETTING
RICH QUICKLY IS OVER
ERA OF GETTING RICH SLOWLY IS ALSO OVER
ERA OF GETTING POOR QUICKLY HAS BEGUN
chump666
Kinda makes me wonder
why Faber is suggesting the 10yr for safe-haven the bond
markets could be in for trouble if Asia starts implicating
capital controls to stop their currencies collapsing and outflows
despite this slowdown
Philippines 0402 GMT [Dow Jones] Bangko Sentral ng Pilipinas
will raise overnight interest rates by 50 bps in the second half
of 2014 according to most of 11 economists in a poll by The
Wall Street Journal
satoshi911
Faber is rather
consistent stay with KING DOLLAR while he is king
problem is the exit I suspect that FABER knows that
the the US-Treasury is very liquid
IMHO I follow the school to keep your $$$ in HKD which is 100
tied to UNCLE-SAMs nut-sack but should the USD implode
HKD will become RMB ( tied to YUAN nut-sack ) over-night
thats the only safe bet
I think that FABER wants to keep it safe
Lastly if FABER was to tell MORONS to NOT put their
money into the US-TREASURY debt he would NOT be on
USA MSM TV FABER obviously gets great pleasure from
being an expertguru on TV but the actions that he is
allowed to give the viewers are essentially KEEP YOUR
MONEY IN THE USA
On the other hand privately him and Rogers say to
diversify your CASH
Only 3 AAA currency SGD CHF and NOKCNY Right
chump666
Interesting But
in relation to
Grosss fears and
general fears that Asia is ready blow or implode taking the
whole EM complex down with it I would 100 watch
capital controls on EMAsian outflows this will have an
impact on the so-called liquid bond markets for safe
havens Remember Japan bond and stock meltdown June
2013 This could happen in America and could destroy
billions in seconds We are living in very dangerous time for
markets The 80 on the DXY is drawn by the Fed they
know a USD crisis is stone throw away All and all this
whole market could blow up spectacularly for ALL save
havens except physical gold being the only haven
satoshi911
Only 3
AAA
currency
SGD CHF and
NOK (CNY) Right
Its a great narrative that all currency will collapse and
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everything is fucked just like the USA but thats not
how history shows it
When hyper-inflation comes money just moves
Like Fabers great toilet bowl sloshing money from one
bowl to the next India to UK to USA
You have to diversify and there is NO reason that those
with AAA will take the hit Its a great narrative that
when the USD fails that everything else fails but I dont
buy it and history says other wise
We all wait and pray for when the USDUSA goes tits
up sadly it may not happen in our lifetime
King DOllar is backed by the most homocidal armed
MOFU in all of human history and hes not going to shut
up or go away silently
I dont buy a black-swan just like its been since the
1970s just more loss of USD buying power and the
USA descends into a FEUDAL nation and keeps
funding the FSA to keep the convicts in their homes
Japan has pulled it off for 30 years now certainly the
USA will do the same FIAT to INFINITY in secret and
Tapered in PUBLIC
Those banking on a black-swan collapse of the USA
will be dissapointed a CIVIL-WAR yes but that is
just because the USA is desperate for a RESET and
now with the lack of conscription you cant even
send them off to die in foriegn wars anymore
The USA will just get more Orwellian and harder to
leave
Most likely MILLIONS will be sent to FEMA-CAMPS in
HILLARY-2016 and ZH will not even report it as
news thats how conditioned you will all be to in
seeing frogs boiled alive
Smart Red-Necks are already putting their HILLARY
2016 Bumper Stickers on their F100s
satoshi911
Fire - FIRE - LOOK
over there
It seems that every fucking guru andor expert is saying LOOK
OVER THERE when you see or hear an orchestra look for a
conductor Me thinks there is something at home they dont want
you to see
Its fairly clear that in ASIA markets are dropping cuz folks are
getting out of the stock market in the meantime the USA
market goes up cuz the FED just keeps buying more stock
I suspect this is to make it appear that the USA is as safe as
fucking an HIV whore with a condom
When I search the news the 1 story I see is not CHINA IS
FALLING but here on ZH they certainly want you to think so
How is GROSS doing for his customers Anybody as big as him is
sucking AIPAC cock and you know it Why the fuck has he not
retired to Tel-Aviv and enjoying his short life
One last argument for DEAR LEADER GROSS cuz it PISSES me
off the way folks got rich from 1950 to 1990 aka BUFFET-
BITCH and GROSS-BITCH The way fortunes in the USA were
made was to BUY companys rob the pension fund cash and
replace with IOUs Rinse and repeat and today all pensions in
private sector are gone
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Gross is a world class asshole and criminal to attempt to tell
morons that GREAT FORTUNES were made by INVESTING they were
not all great fortunes in the past 40 years were made by
THEFT
satoshi911
About 10 of the
CONTENT of the GROSS interview was on CHINA but ZH
put CHINA on the post title enough said its all what we
call blogger fodder to send commenters to their keyboard death
Goldman-SachsAIPAC has a hardon for CHINA this we know
Telling that GOLDMAN-SACHS sold all their interest last MAY in
ICBC then and only then did they go full retard to give it a
bad name but all the toxic mystery meat in question here
came from the Goldman-Sach NUT-SACK
TheGoldMyth
Steve Keen on private
debt and Australia and BitCoin as an enduring platform
Published on Jan 22 2014
Steve Keen is a well-known economist who is considered one of
the leading critics of mainstream economics treatment of debt and
money He considers himself a post-Keynesian in that he adheres to
John Maynard Keynes idea that demand matters in the long as well
as the short run But his focus is debt and specifically how Hyman
Minskys financial instability hypothesis is reflected in highly
indebted economies
Right now Dr Keen is working on an ambitious mathematical model
of financial instability called simply Minsky
Erin Ade spoke with Dr Keen about debt generally and private debt
specifically as well as the Australian economy
Also Erin Ade and Edward Harrison discuss how Bitcoin purchases
at casino hotels will be processed through BitPay a service that
streamlines transactions using tablet and mobile interfaces Could
BitCoin itself crash and burn but the platform and application
endure anyway
Spungo
Bill Gross plays Fallout
3 Who knew
Bdelande
Note to the Federal
Reserve
Dear Janet February 4th 2014
If I may be so forward I felt compelled to pass on a quick note
from a most concerned permanent resident of the United States of
America
Purposely degrading this Nations hard earned reserve currency
status that was so honorably delivered to you by previous
generations who built this great country from the ground up
through their virtuous and industrious blood sweat and tears only
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to then implement a disgracefully lamentable monetary policy which
deliberately steals from future unborn generations in order to
facilitate living standards beyond our means so as to maintain an
unearned undeserved and unprincipled culture of grotesque mass
over-consumption can only be characterized as a deplorable
unconscionable abomination of Biblical proportion
Respectfully yours
Le Baron Bruno Camille Soucanye de Landevoisn
chump666
A really good point
GROSS Well not many The way to get rich in the past was
to borrow money and to lever hedge funds and levered corporate
situations in terms of buyouts et cetera et cetera or to buy the
stock market in 2013 which itself is a levered type of investment
Corporations borrow 40 to 50 percent of their balance sheet They
lever up and you can buy equities in a levered type of situation So
leverage over the past 20 to 30 years Stephanie has really
produced this total return high return type of investment market
that investors have grown used to Pension funds think 7 8 9
percent is what they should expect which means 4 percent from
bonds and 12 percent from stocks Not going to happen because
basically wersquove been priced into the market Assets are artificially
priced And from this point forward double-digit returns getting
rich on leverage no You better look elsewhere for ndash for your
profits
Leverage up and buy a shtload of lottery tickets better chance
Dubaibanker
If China is so
unimportant then why is Bill Gross talking about it
Why not talk about Eritrea or Seychelles or Benin instead They are
very important to the global economic conditionsGross must
invest there if he does not like or understand China
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or PBC for a holiday
From Wikipedia
The Peoples Bank of China (PBC or PBOC) is the central
bank of the Peoples Republic of China with the power to
control monetary policy and regulate financial institutions in
mainland China The Peoples Bank of China has the most
financial assets of any single public finance institution in
history[2]
The Dunce
China has been
blowing up for forever and a day Yet it keeps chugging
on Im not holding my breath Doomsday will happen
when the sun starts burning hydrogen in another 10 billion
years Until then we should be OK
Skateboarder
Skip to 1130
Something weird about this guy
PGR88
Its his hair-cut
The Left side
goes well over
his ear but the right side is very short
With his money you would think he could afford a decent
hair-cut
steve2241
Im not sure
what youre
referring to
but its been reported in the media that he takes medicine
for epilepsy
Tim_
Whether itrsquos
provided I
canrsquot speak to until itrsquos
been reported because it would be classified and I prefer
that journalists make the distinctions and the decisions
about what is public interest and what should be published
(Source)
I donrsquot want to pre-empt the editorial decisions of
journalists but what I will say is therersquos no question that the
US is engaged in economic spying (Source)
However as Irsquove said before I prefer for journalists to make
those decisions in advance review the material themselves
and decide whether or not the public value of this
information outweighs the sort of reputational cost to the
officials that ordered the surveillance (Source)
stant
ides of march my
father was 7th armour my father inlaw 1st and 6th marinei
thank god for edwardi would rather be poor and free than live like
a slave
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Cacete de Ouro
The more time passes
the more likely it seems that Christopher Walken and Bill
Gross were actually separated at birth
The Gooch
moar gong
macholatte
more cowbell
httpwwwebaumsworldcomvideowatch628756
A Buttle
That is one smart
skeleton
AdvancingTime
Fast growth tends to
mask flaws and weakness within a system and China has
been growing like a weed for years To make things worse
many of the investment decisions were driven by politics This has
created massive overcapacity Money has been poorly allocated
and often shoveled into deep holes like ghost cities and bridges to
nowhere
Currently a 66 trillion dollar spending spree used as stimulus to
combat global economic slowdown is coming back to haunt China
This has greatly expanded credit and created huge overcapacity
during the past five years A massive debt crisis now looms in the
offing as companies struggle to repay loans taken on newly built
factories that sit idle because of weak demand More on this
subject below
httpbrucewildsblogspotcom201311china-land-of-
overcapacity-and-de
fijisailor
Its hard to
envision collapse in China with their huge share of the
market for nearly every manufactured item Go to any country
and simply view the assortment and quantity of products made
in China Mismanagement and inefficiency on one hand but
huge productive output on the other On top of that the
information coming out of China is not believable and very few
know whats going on within
FreeMktFisherMN
its their
proclivity to
save (and in
terms of PMs evidently) that has carried them They
understand the value of savings whereas Western nations
are about borrowing and consuming
TruthInSunshine
China is the mystery
meat Battered deep fried General Tsos Chicken
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Did it go Woof Woof Eeek Eeek Or Meow
NoDebt
Translation Im on
the wrong side of this and out of ideas
4shzl
Id guess this is his
usual head fake and that hes buying the 30-yr as fast
as he can
Dr Engali
I have a word for you
to consider Bill Retirement
syntaxterror
How much mystery
meat is in Bills bond fund that yields 275 Anyone even
care to guess
Cacete de Ouro
high yield =
extended quality = goat meat
disabledvet
I think if youre a bank
you can become more than rich restructuring debt and
getting those mines factories and energy plays moving
I agree it wont be easy though
Asset prices are all out of whack (no questions about California real
estate in this interview) and its really hard for me to see how we
get from here to there in the sense of being something other
than a speculator
A lot of risk on the table
Some of the losses over the past six months have been truly
spectacular
And the leverage these clowns are playing around with
well what other asset is left as far as capital appreciation goes
here
A drop in yields to one half of one percent on the thirty year would
make quite a statement
httpwwwyoutubecomwatchv=RcL6DwSufMI
Carl Popper
China is the country of
the future
and always will be
FredFlintstone
The future aint what
it used to be Yogi
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PGR88
ERA OF GETTING
RICH QUICKLY IS OVER
ERA OF GETTING RICH SLOWLY IS ALSO OVER
ERA OF GETTING POOR QUICKLY HAS BEGUN
chump666
Kinda makes me wonder
why Faber is suggesting the 10yr for safe-haven the bond
markets could be in for trouble if Asia starts implicating
capital controls to stop their currencies collapsing and outflows
despite this slowdown
Philippines 0402 GMT [Dow Jones] Bangko Sentral ng Pilipinas
will raise overnight interest rates by 50 bps in the second half
of 2014 according to most of 11 economists in a poll by The
Wall Street Journal
satoshi911
Faber is rather
consistent stay with KING DOLLAR while he is king
problem is the exit I suspect that FABER knows that
the the US-Treasury is very liquid
IMHO I follow the school to keep your $$$ in HKD which is 100
tied to UNCLE-SAMs nut-sack but should the USD implode
HKD will become RMB ( tied to YUAN nut-sack ) over-night
thats the only safe bet
I think that FABER wants to keep it safe
Lastly if FABER was to tell MORONS to NOT put their
money into the US-TREASURY debt he would NOT be on
USA MSM TV FABER obviously gets great pleasure from
being an expertguru on TV but the actions that he is
allowed to give the viewers are essentially KEEP YOUR
MONEY IN THE USA
On the other hand privately him and Rogers say to
diversify your CASH
Only 3 AAA currency SGD CHF and NOKCNY Right
chump666
Interesting But
in relation to
Grosss fears and
general fears that Asia is ready blow or implode taking the
whole EM complex down with it I would 100 watch
capital controls on EMAsian outflows this will have an
impact on the so-called liquid bond markets for safe
havens Remember Japan bond and stock meltdown June
2013 This could happen in America and could destroy
billions in seconds We are living in very dangerous time for
markets The 80 on the DXY is drawn by the Fed they
know a USD crisis is stone throw away All and all this
whole market could blow up spectacularly for ALL save
havens except physical gold being the only haven
satoshi911
Only 3
AAA
currency
SGD CHF and
NOK (CNY) Right
Its a great narrative that all currency will collapse and
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everything is fucked just like the USA but thats not
how history shows it
When hyper-inflation comes money just moves
Like Fabers great toilet bowl sloshing money from one
bowl to the next India to UK to USA
You have to diversify and there is NO reason that those
with AAA will take the hit Its a great narrative that
when the USD fails that everything else fails but I dont
buy it and history says other wise
We all wait and pray for when the USDUSA goes tits
up sadly it may not happen in our lifetime
King DOllar is backed by the most homocidal armed
MOFU in all of human history and hes not going to shut
up or go away silently
I dont buy a black-swan just like its been since the
1970s just more loss of USD buying power and the
USA descends into a FEUDAL nation and keeps
funding the FSA to keep the convicts in their homes
Japan has pulled it off for 30 years now certainly the
USA will do the same FIAT to INFINITY in secret and
Tapered in PUBLIC
Those banking on a black-swan collapse of the USA
will be dissapointed a CIVIL-WAR yes but that is
just because the USA is desperate for a RESET and
now with the lack of conscription you cant even
send them off to die in foriegn wars anymore
The USA will just get more Orwellian and harder to
leave
Most likely MILLIONS will be sent to FEMA-CAMPS in
HILLARY-2016 and ZH will not even report it as
news thats how conditioned you will all be to in
seeing frogs boiled alive
Smart Red-Necks are already putting their HILLARY
2016 Bumper Stickers on their F100s
satoshi911
Fire - FIRE - LOOK
over there
It seems that every fucking guru andor expert is saying LOOK
OVER THERE when you see or hear an orchestra look for a
conductor Me thinks there is something at home they dont want
you to see
Its fairly clear that in ASIA markets are dropping cuz folks are
getting out of the stock market in the meantime the USA
market goes up cuz the FED just keeps buying more stock
I suspect this is to make it appear that the USA is as safe as
fucking an HIV whore with a condom
When I search the news the 1 story I see is not CHINA IS
FALLING but here on ZH they certainly want you to think so
How is GROSS doing for his customers Anybody as big as him is
sucking AIPAC cock and you know it Why the fuck has he not
retired to Tel-Aviv and enjoying his short life
One last argument for DEAR LEADER GROSS cuz it PISSES me
off the way folks got rich from 1950 to 1990 aka BUFFET-
BITCH and GROSS-BITCH The way fortunes in the USA were
made was to BUY companys rob the pension fund cash and
replace with IOUs Rinse and repeat and today all pensions in
private sector are gone
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Gross is a world class asshole and criminal to attempt to tell
morons that GREAT FORTUNES were made by INVESTING they were
not all great fortunes in the past 40 years were made by
THEFT
satoshi911
About 10 of the
CONTENT of the GROSS interview was on CHINA but ZH
put CHINA on the post title enough said its all what we
call blogger fodder to send commenters to their keyboard death
Goldman-SachsAIPAC has a hardon for CHINA this we know
Telling that GOLDMAN-SACHS sold all their interest last MAY in
ICBC then and only then did they go full retard to give it a
bad name but all the toxic mystery meat in question here
came from the Goldman-Sach NUT-SACK
TheGoldMyth
Steve Keen on private
debt and Australia and BitCoin as an enduring platform
Published on Jan 22 2014
Steve Keen is a well-known economist who is considered one of
the leading critics of mainstream economics treatment of debt and
money He considers himself a post-Keynesian in that he adheres to
John Maynard Keynes idea that demand matters in the long as well
as the short run But his focus is debt and specifically how Hyman
Minskys financial instability hypothesis is reflected in highly
indebted economies
Right now Dr Keen is working on an ambitious mathematical model
of financial instability called simply Minsky
Erin Ade spoke with Dr Keen about debt generally and private debt
specifically as well as the Australian economy
Also Erin Ade and Edward Harrison discuss how Bitcoin purchases
at casino hotels will be processed through BitPay a service that
streamlines transactions using tablet and mobile interfaces Could
BitCoin itself crash and burn but the platform and application
endure anyway
Spungo
Bill Gross plays Fallout
3 Who knew
Bdelande
Note to the Federal
Reserve
Dear Janet February 4th 2014
If I may be so forward I felt compelled to pass on a quick note
from a most concerned permanent resident of the United States of
America
Purposely degrading this Nations hard earned reserve currency
status that was so honorably delivered to you by previous
generations who built this great country from the ground up
through their virtuous and industrious blood sweat and tears only
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to then implement a disgracefully lamentable monetary policy which
deliberately steals from future unborn generations in order to
facilitate living standards beyond our means so as to maintain an
unearned undeserved and unprincipled culture of grotesque mass
over-consumption can only be characterized as a deplorable
unconscionable abomination of Biblical proportion
Respectfully yours
Le Baron Bruno Camille Soucanye de Landevoisn
chump666
A really good point
GROSS Well not many The way to get rich in the past was
to borrow money and to lever hedge funds and levered corporate
situations in terms of buyouts et cetera et cetera or to buy the
stock market in 2013 which itself is a levered type of investment
Corporations borrow 40 to 50 percent of their balance sheet They
lever up and you can buy equities in a levered type of situation So
leverage over the past 20 to 30 years Stephanie has really
produced this total return high return type of investment market
that investors have grown used to Pension funds think 7 8 9
percent is what they should expect which means 4 percent from
bonds and 12 percent from stocks Not going to happen because
basically wersquove been priced into the market Assets are artificially
priced And from this point forward double-digit returns getting
rich on leverage no You better look elsewhere for ndash for your
profits
Leverage up and buy a shtload of lottery tickets better chance
Dubaibanker
If China is so
unimportant then why is Bill Gross talking about it
Why not talk about Eritrea or Seychelles or Benin instead They are
very important to the global economic conditionsGross must
invest there if he does not like or understand China
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Cacete de Ouro
The more time passes
the more likely it seems that Christopher Walken and Bill
Gross were actually separated at birth
The Gooch
moar gong
macholatte
more cowbell
httpwwwebaumsworldcomvideowatch628756
A Buttle
That is one smart
skeleton
AdvancingTime
Fast growth tends to
mask flaws and weakness within a system and China has
been growing like a weed for years To make things worse
many of the investment decisions were driven by politics This has
created massive overcapacity Money has been poorly allocated
and often shoveled into deep holes like ghost cities and bridges to
nowhere
Currently a 66 trillion dollar spending spree used as stimulus to
combat global economic slowdown is coming back to haunt China
This has greatly expanded credit and created huge overcapacity
during the past five years A massive debt crisis now looms in the
offing as companies struggle to repay loans taken on newly built
factories that sit idle because of weak demand More on this
subject below
httpbrucewildsblogspotcom201311china-land-of-
overcapacity-and-de
fijisailor
Its hard to
envision collapse in China with their huge share of the
market for nearly every manufactured item Go to any country
and simply view the assortment and quantity of products made
in China Mismanagement and inefficiency on one hand but
huge productive output on the other On top of that the
information coming out of China is not believable and very few
know whats going on within
FreeMktFisherMN
its their
proclivity to
save (and in
terms of PMs evidently) that has carried them They
understand the value of savings whereas Western nations
are about borrowing and consuming
TruthInSunshine
China is the mystery
meat Battered deep fried General Tsos Chicken
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Did it go Woof Woof Eeek Eeek Or Meow
NoDebt
Translation Im on
the wrong side of this and out of ideas
4shzl
Id guess this is his
usual head fake and that hes buying the 30-yr as fast
as he can
Dr Engali
I have a word for you
to consider Bill Retirement
syntaxterror
How much mystery
meat is in Bills bond fund that yields 275 Anyone even
care to guess
Cacete de Ouro
high yield =
extended quality = goat meat
disabledvet
I think if youre a bank
you can become more than rich restructuring debt and
getting those mines factories and energy plays moving
I agree it wont be easy though
Asset prices are all out of whack (no questions about California real
estate in this interview) and its really hard for me to see how we
get from here to there in the sense of being something other
than a speculator
A lot of risk on the table
Some of the losses over the past six months have been truly
spectacular
And the leverage these clowns are playing around with
well what other asset is left as far as capital appreciation goes
here
A drop in yields to one half of one percent on the thirty year would
make quite a statement
httpwwwyoutubecomwatchv=RcL6DwSufMI
Carl Popper
China is the country of
the future
and always will be
FredFlintstone
The future aint what
it used to be Yogi
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PGR88
ERA OF GETTING
RICH QUICKLY IS OVER
ERA OF GETTING RICH SLOWLY IS ALSO OVER
ERA OF GETTING POOR QUICKLY HAS BEGUN
chump666
Kinda makes me wonder
why Faber is suggesting the 10yr for safe-haven the bond
markets could be in for trouble if Asia starts implicating
capital controls to stop their currencies collapsing and outflows
despite this slowdown
Philippines 0402 GMT [Dow Jones] Bangko Sentral ng Pilipinas
will raise overnight interest rates by 50 bps in the second half
of 2014 according to most of 11 economists in a poll by The
Wall Street Journal
satoshi911
Faber is rather
consistent stay with KING DOLLAR while he is king
problem is the exit I suspect that FABER knows that
the the US-Treasury is very liquid
IMHO I follow the school to keep your $$$ in HKD which is 100
tied to UNCLE-SAMs nut-sack but should the USD implode
HKD will become RMB ( tied to YUAN nut-sack ) over-night
thats the only safe bet
I think that FABER wants to keep it safe
Lastly if FABER was to tell MORONS to NOT put their
money into the US-TREASURY debt he would NOT be on
USA MSM TV FABER obviously gets great pleasure from
being an expertguru on TV but the actions that he is
allowed to give the viewers are essentially KEEP YOUR
MONEY IN THE USA
On the other hand privately him and Rogers say to
diversify your CASH
Only 3 AAA currency SGD CHF and NOKCNY Right
chump666
Interesting But
in relation to
Grosss fears and
general fears that Asia is ready blow or implode taking the
whole EM complex down with it I would 100 watch
capital controls on EMAsian outflows this will have an
impact on the so-called liquid bond markets for safe
havens Remember Japan bond and stock meltdown June
2013 This could happen in America and could destroy
billions in seconds We are living in very dangerous time for
markets The 80 on the DXY is drawn by the Fed they
know a USD crisis is stone throw away All and all this
whole market could blow up spectacularly for ALL save
havens except physical gold being the only haven
satoshi911
Only 3
AAA
currency
SGD CHF and
NOK (CNY) Right
Its a great narrative that all currency will collapse and
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everything is fucked just like the USA but thats not
how history shows it
When hyper-inflation comes money just moves
Like Fabers great toilet bowl sloshing money from one
bowl to the next India to UK to USA
You have to diversify and there is NO reason that those
with AAA will take the hit Its a great narrative that
when the USD fails that everything else fails but I dont
buy it and history says other wise
We all wait and pray for when the USDUSA goes tits
up sadly it may not happen in our lifetime
King DOllar is backed by the most homocidal armed
MOFU in all of human history and hes not going to shut
up or go away silently
I dont buy a black-swan just like its been since the
1970s just more loss of USD buying power and the
USA descends into a FEUDAL nation and keeps
funding the FSA to keep the convicts in their homes
Japan has pulled it off for 30 years now certainly the
USA will do the same FIAT to INFINITY in secret and
Tapered in PUBLIC
Those banking on a black-swan collapse of the USA
will be dissapointed a CIVIL-WAR yes but that is
just because the USA is desperate for a RESET and
now with the lack of conscription you cant even
send them off to die in foriegn wars anymore
The USA will just get more Orwellian and harder to
leave
Most likely MILLIONS will be sent to FEMA-CAMPS in
HILLARY-2016 and ZH will not even report it as
news thats how conditioned you will all be to in
seeing frogs boiled alive
Smart Red-Necks are already putting their HILLARY
2016 Bumper Stickers on their F100s
satoshi911
Fire - FIRE - LOOK
over there
It seems that every fucking guru andor expert is saying LOOK
OVER THERE when you see or hear an orchestra look for a
conductor Me thinks there is something at home they dont want
you to see
Its fairly clear that in ASIA markets are dropping cuz folks are
getting out of the stock market in the meantime the USA
market goes up cuz the FED just keeps buying more stock
I suspect this is to make it appear that the USA is as safe as
fucking an HIV whore with a condom
When I search the news the 1 story I see is not CHINA IS
FALLING but here on ZH they certainly want you to think so
How is GROSS doing for his customers Anybody as big as him is
sucking AIPAC cock and you know it Why the fuck has he not
retired to Tel-Aviv and enjoying his short life
One last argument for DEAR LEADER GROSS cuz it PISSES me
off the way folks got rich from 1950 to 1990 aka BUFFET-
BITCH and GROSS-BITCH The way fortunes in the USA were
made was to BUY companys rob the pension fund cash and
replace with IOUs Rinse and repeat and today all pensions in
private sector are gone
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Gross is a world class asshole and criminal to attempt to tell
morons that GREAT FORTUNES were made by INVESTING they were
not all great fortunes in the past 40 years were made by
THEFT
satoshi911
About 10 of the
CONTENT of the GROSS interview was on CHINA but ZH
put CHINA on the post title enough said its all what we
call blogger fodder to send commenters to their keyboard death
Goldman-SachsAIPAC has a hardon for CHINA this we know
Telling that GOLDMAN-SACHS sold all their interest last MAY in
ICBC then and only then did they go full retard to give it a
bad name but all the toxic mystery meat in question here
came from the Goldman-Sach NUT-SACK
TheGoldMyth
Steve Keen on private
debt and Australia and BitCoin as an enduring platform
Published on Jan 22 2014
Steve Keen is a well-known economist who is considered one of
the leading critics of mainstream economics treatment of debt and
money He considers himself a post-Keynesian in that he adheres to
John Maynard Keynes idea that demand matters in the long as well
as the short run But his focus is debt and specifically how Hyman
Minskys financial instability hypothesis is reflected in highly
indebted economies
Right now Dr Keen is working on an ambitious mathematical model
of financial instability called simply Minsky
Erin Ade spoke with Dr Keen about debt generally and private debt
specifically as well as the Australian economy
Also Erin Ade and Edward Harrison discuss how Bitcoin purchases
at casino hotels will be processed through BitPay a service that
streamlines transactions using tablet and mobile interfaces Could
BitCoin itself crash and burn but the platform and application
endure anyway
Spungo
Bill Gross plays Fallout
3 Who knew
Bdelande
Note to the Federal
Reserve
Dear Janet February 4th 2014
If I may be so forward I felt compelled to pass on a quick note
from a most concerned permanent resident of the United States of
America
Purposely degrading this Nations hard earned reserve currency
status that was so honorably delivered to you by previous
generations who built this great country from the ground up
through their virtuous and industrious blood sweat and tears only
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to then implement a disgracefully lamentable monetary policy which
deliberately steals from future unborn generations in order to
facilitate living standards beyond our means so as to maintain an
unearned undeserved and unprincipled culture of grotesque mass
over-consumption can only be characterized as a deplorable
unconscionable abomination of Biblical proportion
Respectfully yours
Le Baron Bruno Camille Soucanye de Landevoisn
chump666
A really good point
GROSS Well not many The way to get rich in the past was
to borrow money and to lever hedge funds and levered corporate
situations in terms of buyouts et cetera et cetera or to buy the
stock market in 2013 which itself is a levered type of investment
Corporations borrow 40 to 50 percent of their balance sheet They
lever up and you can buy equities in a levered type of situation So
leverage over the past 20 to 30 years Stephanie has really
produced this total return high return type of investment market
that investors have grown used to Pension funds think 7 8 9
percent is what they should expect which means 4 percent from
bonds and 12 percent from stocks Not going to happen because
basically wersquove been priced into the market Assets are artificially
priced And from this point forward double-digit returns getting
rich on leverage no You better look elsewhere for ndash for your
profits
Leverage up and buy a shtload of lottery tickets better chance
Dubaibanker
If China is so
unimportant then why is Bill Gross talking about it
Why not talk about Eritrea or Seychelles or Benin instead They are
very important to the global economic conditionsGross must
invest there if he does not like or understand China
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Did it go Woof Woof Eeek Eeek Or Meow
NoDebt
Translation Im on
the wrong side of this and out of ideas
4shzl
Id guess this is his
usual head fake and that hes buying the 30-yr as fast
as he can
Dr Engali
I have a word for you
to consider Bill Retirement
syntaxterror
How much mystery
meat is in Bills bond fund that yields 275 Anyone even
care to guess
Cacete de Ouro
high yield =
extended quality = goat meat
disabledvet
I think if youre a bank
you can become more than rich restructuring debt and
getting those mines factories and energy plays moving
I agree it wont be easy though
Asset prices are all out of whack (no questions about California real
estate in this interview) and its really hard for me to see how we
get from here to there in the sense of being something other
than a speculator
A lot of risk on the table
Some of the losses over the past six months have been truly
spectacular
And the leverage these clowns are playing around with
well what other asset is left as far as capital appreciation goes
here
A drop in yields to one half of one percent on the thirty year would
make quite a statement
httpwwwyoutubecomwatchv=RcL6DwSufMI
Carl Popper
China is the country of
the future
and always will be
FredFlintstone
The future aint what
it used to be Yogi
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| 4402887
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4403003
Wed
02052014 -
0132 |
4403028
PGR88
ERA OF GETTING
RICH QUICKLY IS OVER
ERA OF GETTING RICH SLOWLY IS ALSO OVER
ERA OF GETTING POOR QUICKLY HAS BEGUN
chump666
Kinda makes me wonder
why Faber is suggesting the 10yr for safe-haven the bond
markets could be in for trouble if Asia starts implicating
capital controls to stop their currencies collapsing and outflows
despite this slowdown
Philippines 0402 GMT [Dow Jones] Bangko Sentral ng Pilipinas
will raise overnight interest rates by 50 bps in the second half
of 2014 according to most of 11 economists in a poll by The
Wall Street Journal
satoshi911
Faber is rather
consistent stay with KING DOLLAR while he is king
problem is the exit I suspect that FABER knows that
the the US-Treasury is very liquid
IMHO I follow the school to keep your $$$ in HKD which is 100
tied to UNCLE-SAMs nut-sack but should the USD implode
HKD will become RMB ( tied to YUAN nut-sack ) over-night
thats the only safe bet
I think that FABER wants to keep it safe
Lastly if FABER was to tell MORONS to NOT put their
money into the US-TREASURY debt he would NOT be on
USA MSM TV FABER obviously gets great pleasure from
being an expertguru on TV but the actions that he is
allowed to give the viewers are essentially KEEP YOUR
MONEY IN THE USA
On the other hand privately him and Rogers say to
diversify your CASH
Only 3 AAA currency SGD CHF and NOKCNY Right
chump666
Interesting But
in relation to
Grosss fears and
general fears that Asia is ready blow or implode taking the
whole EM complex down with it I would 100 watch
capital controls on EMAsian outflows this will have an
impact on the so-called liquid bond markets for safe
havens Remember Japan bond and stock meltdown June
2013 This could happen in America and could destroy
billions in seconds We are living in very dangerous time for
markets The 80 on the DXY is drawn by the Fed they
know a USD crisis is stone throw away All and all this
whole market could blow up spectacularly for ALL save
havens except physical gold being the only haven
satoshi911
Only 3
AAA
currency
SGD CHF and
NOK (CNY) Right
Its a great narrative that all currency will collapse and
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everything is fucked just like the USA but thats not
how history shows it
When hyper-inflation comes money just moves
Like Fabers great toilet bowl sloshing money from one
bowl to the next India to UK to USA
You have to diversify and there is NO reason that those
with AAA will take the hit Its a great narrative that
when the USD fails that everything else fails but I dont
buy it and history says other wise
We all wait and pray for when the USDUSA goes tits
up sadly it may not happen in our lifetime
King DOllar is backed by the most homocidal armed
MOFU in all of human history and hes not going to shut
up or go away silently
I dont buy a black-swan just like its been since the
1970s just more loss of USD buying power and the
USA descends into a FEUDAL nation and keeps
funding the FSA to keep the convicts in their homes
Japan has pulled it off for 30 years now certainly the
USA will do the same FIAT to INFINITY in secret and
Tapered in PUBLIC
Those banking on a black-swan collapse of the USA
will be dissapointed a CIVIL-WAR yes but that is
just because the USA is desperate for a RESET and
now with the lack of conscription you cant even
send them off to die in foriegn wars anymore
The USA will just get more Orwellian and harder to
leave
Most likely MILLIONS will be sent to FEMA-CAMPS in
HILLARY-2016 and ZH will not even report it as
news thats how conditioned you will all be to in
seeing frogs boiled alive
Smart Red-Necks are already putting their HILLARY
2016 Bumper Stickers on their F100s
satoshi911
Fire - FIRE - LOOK
over there
It seems that every fucking guru andor expert is saying LOOK
OVER THERE when you see or hear an orchestra look for a
conductor Me thinks there is something at home they dont want
you to see
Its fairly clear that in ASIA markets are dropping cuz folks are
getting out of the stock market in the meantime the USA
market goes up cuz the FED just keeps buying more stock
I suspect this is to make it appear that the USA is as safe as
fucking an HIV whore with a condom
When I search the news the 1 story I see is not CHINA IS
FALLING but here on ZH they certainly want you to think so
How is GROSS doing for his customers Anybody as big as him is
sucking AIPAC cock and you know it Why the fuck has he not
retired to Tel-Aviv and enjoying his short life
One last argument for DEAR LEADER GROSS cuz it PISSES me
off the way folks got rich from 1950 to 1990 aka BUFFET-
BITCH and GROSS-BITCH The way fortunes in the USA were
made was to BUY companys rob the pension fund cash and
replace with IOUs Rinse and repeat and today all pensions in
private sector are gone
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Gross is a world class asshole and criminal to attempt to tell
morons that GREAT FORTUNES were made by INVESTING they were
not all great fortunes in the past 40 years were made by
THEFT
satoshi911
About 10 of the
CONTENT of the GROSS interview was on CHINA but ZH
put CHINA on the post title enough said its all what we
call blogger fodder to send commenters to their keyboard death
Goldman-SachsAIPAC has a hardon for CHINA this we know
Telling that GOLDMAN-SACHS sold all their interest last MAY in
ICBC then and only then did they go full retard to give it a
bad name but all the toxic mystery meat in question here
came from the Goldman-Sach NUT-SACK
TheGoldMyth
Steve Keen on private
debt and Australia and BitCoin as an enduring platform
Published on Jan 22 2014
Steve Keen is a well-known economist who is considered one of
the leading critics of mainstream economics treatment of debt and
money He considers himself a post-Keynesian in that he adheres to
John Maynard Keynes idea that demand matters in the long as well
as the short run But his focus is debt and specifically how Hyman
Minskys financial instability hypothesis is reflected in highly
indebted economies
Right now Dr Keen is working on an ambitious mathematical model
of financial instability called simply Minsky
Erin Ade spoke with Dr Keen about debt generally and private debt
specifically as well as the Australian economy
Also Erin Ade and Edward Harrison discuss how Bitcoin purchases
at casino hotels will be processed through BitPay a service that
streamlines transactions using tablet and mobile interfaces Could
BitCoin itself crash and burn but the platform and application
endure anyway
Spungo
Bill Gross plays Fallout
3 Who knew
Bdelande
Note to the Federal
Reserve
Dear Janet February 4th 2014
If I may be so forward I felt compelled to pass on a quick note
from a most concerned permanent resident of the United States of
America
Purposely degrading this Nations hard earned reserve currency
status that was so honorably delivered to you by previous
generations who built this great country from the ground up
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to then implement a disgracefully lamentable monetary policy which
deliberately steals from future unborn generations in order to
facilitate living standards beyond our means so as to maintain an
unearned undeserved and unprincipled culture of grotesque mass
over-consumption can only be characterized as a deplorable
unconscionable abomination of Biblical proportion
Respectfully yours
Le Baron Bruno Camille Soucanye de Landevoisn
chump666
A really good point
GROSS Well not many The way to get rich in the past was
to borrow money and to lever hedge funds and levered corporate
situations in terms of buyouts et cetera et cetera or to buy the
stock market in 2013 which itself is a levered type of investment
Corporations borrow 40 to 50 percent of their balance sheet They
lever up and you can buy equities in a levered type of situation So
leverage over the past 20 to 30 years Stephanie has really
produced this total return high return type of investment market
that investors have grown used to Pension funds think 7 8 9
percent is what they should expect which means 4 percent from
bonds and 12 percent from stocks Not going to happen because
basically wersquove been priced into the market Assets are artificially
priced And from this point forward double-digit returns getting
rich on leverage no You better look elsewhere for ndash for your
profits
Leverage up and buy a shtload of lottery tickets better chance
Dubaibanker
If China is so
unimportant then why is Bill Gross talking about it
Why not talk about Eritrea or Seychelles or Benin instead They are
very important to the global economic conditionsGross must
invest there if he does not like or understand China
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ERA OF GETTING
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ERA OF GETTING RICH SLOWLY IS ALSO OVER
ERA OF GETTING POOR QUICKLY HAS BEGUN
chump666
Kinda makes me wonder
why Faber is suggesting the 10yr for safe-haven the bond
markets could be in for trouble if Asia starts implicating
capital controls to stop their currencies collapsing and outflows
despite this slowdown
Philippines 0402 GMT [Dow Jones] Bangko Sentral ng Pilipinas
will raise overnight interest rates by 50 bps in the second half
of 2014 according to most of 11 economists in a poll by The
Wall Street Journal
satoshi911
Faber is rather
consistent stay with KING DOLLAR while he is king
problem is the exit I suspect that FABER knows that
the the US-Treasury is very liquid
IMHO I follow the school to keep your $$$ in HKD which is 100
tied to UNCLE-SAMs nut-sack but should the USD implode
HKD will become RMB ( tied to YUAN nut-sack ) over-night
thats the only safe bet
I think that FABER wants to keep it safe
Lastly if FABER was to tell MORONS to NOT put their
money into the US-TREASURY debt he would NOT be on
USA MSM TV FABER obviously gets great pleasure from
being an expertguru on TV but the actions that he is
allowed to give the viewers are essentially KEEP YOUR
MONEY IN THE USA
On the other hand privately him and Rogers say to
diversify your CASH
Only 3 AAA currency SGD CHF and NOKCNY Right
chump666
Interesting But
in relation to
Grosss fears and
general fears that Asia is ready blow or implode taking the
whole EM complex down with it I would 100 watch
capital controls on EMAsian outflows this will have an
impact on the so-called liquid bond markets for safe
havens Remember Japan bond and stock meltdown June
2013 This could happen in America and could destroy
billions in seconds We are living in very dangerous time for
markets The 80 on the DXY is drawn by the Fed they
know a USD crisis is stone throw away All and all this
whole market could blow up spectacularly for ALL save
havens except physical gold being the only haven
satoshi911
Only 3
AAA
currency
SGD CHF and
NOK (CNY) Right
Its a great narrative that all currency will collapse and
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everything is fucked just like the USA but thats not
how history shows it
When hyper-inflation comes money just moves
Like Fabers great toilet bowl sloshing money from one
bowl to the next India to UK to USA
You have to diversify and there is NO reason that those
with AAA will take the hit Its a great narrative that
when the USD fails that everything else fails but I dont
buy it and history says other wise
We all wait and pray for when the USDUSA goes tits
up sadly it may not happen in our lifetime
King DOllar is backed by the most homocidal armed
MOFU in all of human history and hes not going to shut
up or go away silently
I dont buy a black-swan just like its been since the
1970s just more loss of USD buying power and the
USA descends into a FEUDAL nation and keeps
funding the FSA to keep the convicts in their homes
Japan has pulled it off for 30 years now certainly the
USA will do the same FIAT to INFINITY in secret and
Tapered in PUBLIC
Those banking on a black-swan collapse of the USA
will be dissapointed a CIVIL-WAR yes but that is
just because the USA is desperate for a RESET and
now with the lack of conscription you cant even
send them off to die in foriegn wars anymore
The USA will just get more Orwellian and harder to
leave
Most likely MILLIONS will be sent to FEMA-CAMPS in
HILLARY-2016 and ZH will not even report it as
news thats how conditioned you will all be to in
seeing frogs boiled alive
Smart Red-Necks are already putting their HILLARY
2016 Bumper Stickers on their F100s
satoshi911
Fire - FIRE - LOOK
over there
It seems that every fucking guru andor expert is saying LOOK
OVER THERE when you see or hear an orchestra look for a
conductor Me thinks there is something at home they dont want
you to see
Its fairly clear that in ASIA markets are dropping cuz folks are
getting out of the stock market in the meantime the USA
market goes up cuz the FED just keeps buying more stock
I suspect this is to make it appear that the USA is as safe as
fucking an HIV whore with a condom
When I search the news the 1 story I see is not CHINA IS
FALLING but here on ZH they certainly want you to think so
How is GROSS doing for his customers Anybody as big as him is
sucking AIPAC cock and you know it Why the fuck has he not
retired to Tel-Aviv and enjoying his short life
One last argument for DEAR LEADER GROSS cuz it PISSES me
off the way folks got rich from 1950 to 1990 aka BUFFET-
BITCH and GROSS-BITCH The way fortunes in the USA were
made was to BUY companys rob the pension fund cash and
replace with IOUs Rinse and repeat and today all pensions in
private sector are gone
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Gross is a world class asshole and criminal to attempt to tell
morons that GREAT FORTUNES were made by INVESTING they were
not all great fortunes in the past 40 years were made by
THEFT
satoshi911
About 10 of the
CONTENT of the GROSS interview was on CHINA but ZH
put CHINA on the post title enough said its all what we
call blogger fodder to send commenters to their keyboard death
Goldman-SachsAIPAC has a hardon for CHINA this we know
Telling that GOLDMAN-SACHS sold all their interest last MAY in
ICBC then and only then did they go full retard to give it a
bad name but all the toxic mystery meat in question here
came from the Goldman-Sach NUT-SACK
TheGoldMyth
Steve Keen on private
debt and Australia and BitCoin as an enduring platform
Published on Jan 22 2014
Steve Keen is a well-known economist who is considered one of
the leading critics of mainstream economics treatment of debt and
money He considers himself a post-Keynesian in that he adheres to
John Maynard Keynes idea that demand matters in the long as well
as the short run But his focus is debt and specifically how Hyman
Minskys financial instability hypothesis is reflected in highly
indebted economies
Right now Dr Keen is working on an ambitious mathematical model
of financial instability called simply Minsky
Erin Ade spoke with Dr Keen about debt generally and private debt
specifically as well as the Australian economy
Also Erin Ade and Edward Harrison discuss how Bitcoin purchases
at casino hotels will be processed through BitPay a service that
streamlines transactions using tablet and mobile interfaces Could
BitCoin itself crash and burn but the platform and application
endure anyway
Spungo
Bill Gross plays Fallout
3 Who knew
Bdelande
Note to the Federal
Reserve
Dear Janet February 4th 2014
If I may be so forward I felt compelled to pass on a quick note
from a most concerned permanent resident of the United States of
America
Purposely degrading this Nations hard earned reserve currency
status that was so honorably delivered to you by previous
generations who built this great country from the ground up
through their virtuous and industrious blood sweat and tears only
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to then implement a disgracefully lamentable monetary policy which
deliberately steals from future unborn generations in order to
facilitate living standards beyond our means so as to maintain an
unearned undeserved and unprincipled culture of grotesque mass
over-consumption can only be characterized as a deplorable
unconscionable abomination of Biblical proportion
Respectfully yours
Le Baron Bruno Camille Soucanye de Landevoisn
chump666
A really good point
GROSS Well not many The way to get rich in the past was
to borrow money and to lever hedge funds and levered corporate
situations in terms of buyouts et cetera et cetera or to buy the
stock market in 2013 which itself is a levered type of investment
Corporations borrow 40 to 50 percent of their balance sheet They
lever up and you can buy equities in a levered type of situation So
leverage over the past 20 to 30 years Stephanie has really
produced this total return high return type of investment market
that investors have grown used to Pension funds think 7 8 9
percent is what they should expect which means 4 percent from
bonds and 12 percent from stocks Not going to happen because
basically wersquove been priced into the market Assets are artificially
priced And from this point forward double-digit returns getting
rich on leverage no You better look elsewhere for ndash for your
profits
Leverage up and buy a shtload of lottery tickets better chance
Dubaibanker
If China is so
unimportant then why is Bill Gross talking about it
Why not talk about Eritrea or Seychelles or Benin instead They are
very important to the global economic conditionsGross must
invest there if he does not like or understand China
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everything is fucked just like the USA but thats not
how history shows it
When hyper-inflation comes money just moves
Like Fabers great toilet bowl sloshing money from one
bowl to the next India to UK to USA
You have to diversify and there is NO reason that those
with AAA will take the hit Its a great narrative that
when the USD fails that everything else fails but I dont
buy it and history says other wise
We all wait and pray for when the USDUSA goes tits
up sadly it may not happen in our lifetime
King DOllar is backed by the most homocidal armed
MOFU in all of human history and hes not going to shut
up or go away silently
I dont buy a black-swan just like its been since the
1970s just more loss of USD buying power and the
USA descends into a FEUDAL nation and keeps
funding the FSA to keep the convicts in their homes
Japan has pulled it off for 30 years now certainly the
USA will do the same FIAT to INFINITY in secret and
Tapered in PUBLIC
Those banking on a black-swan collapse of the USA
will be dissapointed a CIVIL-WAR yes but that is
just because the USA is desperate for a RESET and
now with the lack of conscription you cant even
send them off to die in foriegn wars anymore
The USA will just get more Orwellian and harder to
leave
Most likely MILLIONS will be sent to FEMA-CAMPS in
HILLARY-2016 and ZH will not even report it as
news thats how conditioned you will all be to in
seeing frogs boiled alive
Smart Red-Necks are already putting their HILLARY
2016 Bumper Stickers on their F100s
satoshi911
Fire - FIRE - LOOK
over there
It seems that every fucking guru andor expert is saying LOOK
OVER THERE when you see or hear an orchestra look for a
conductor Me thinks there is something at home they dont want
you to see
Its fairly clear that in ASIA markets are dropping cuz folks are
getting out of the stock market in the meantime the USA
market goes up cuz the FED just keeps buying more stock
I suspect this is to make it appear that the USA is as safe as
fucking an HIV whore with a condom
When I search the news the 1 story I see is not CHINA IS
FALLING but here on ZH they certainly want you to think so
How is GROSS doing for his customers Anybody as big as him is
sucking AIPAC cock and you know it Why the fuck has he not
retired to Tel-Aviv and enjoying his short life
One last argument for DEAR LEADER GROSS cuz it PISSES me
off the way folks got rich from 1950 to 1990 aka BUFFET-
BITCH and GROSS-BITCH The way fortunes in the USA were
made was to BUY companys rob the pension fund cash and
replace with IOUs Rinse and repeat and today all pensions in
private sector are gone
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Gross is a world class asshole and criminal to attempt to tell
morons that GREAT FORTUNES were made by INVESTING they were
not all great fortunes in the past 40 years were made by
THEFT
satoshi911
About 10 of the
CONTENT of the GROSS interview was on CHINA but ZH
put CHINA on the post title enough said its all what we
call blogger fodder to send commenters to their keyboard death
Goldman-SachsAIPAC has a hardon for CHINA this we know
Telling that GOLDMAN-SACHS sold all their interest last MAY in
ICBC then and only then did they go full retard to give it a
bad name but all the toxic mystery meat in question here
came from the Goldman-Sach NUT-SACK
TheGoldMyth
Steve Keen on private
debt and Australia and BitCoin as an enduring platform
Published on Jan 22 2014
Steve Keen is a well-known economist who is considered one of
the leading critics of mainstream economics treatment of debt and
money He considers himself a post-Keynesian in that he adheres to
John Maynard Keynes idea that demand matters in the long as well
as the short run But his focus is debt and specifically how Hyman
Minskys financial instability hypothesis is reflected in highly
indebted economies
Right now Dr Keen is working on an ambitious mathematical model
of financial instability called simply Minsky
Erin Ade spoke with Dr Keen about debt generally and private debt
specifically as well as the Australian economy
Also Erin Ade and Edward Harrison discuss how Bitcoin purchases
at casino hotels will be processed through BitPay a service that
streamlines transactions using tablet and mobile interfaces Could
BitCoin itself crash and burn but the platform and application
endure anyway
Spungo
Bill Gross plays Fallout
3 Who knew
Bdelande
Note to the Federal
Reserve
Dear Janet February 4th 2014
If I may be so forward I felt compelled to pass on a quick note
from a most concerned permanent resident of the United States of
America
Purposely degrading this Nations hard earned reserve currency
status that was so honorably delivered to you by previous
generations who built this great country from the ground up
through their virtuous and industrious blood sweat and tears only
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to then implement a disgracefully lamentable monetary policy which
deliberately steals from future unborn generations in order to
facilitate living standards beyond our means so as to maintain an
unearned undeserved and unprincipled culture of grotesque mass
over-consumption can only be characterized as a deplorable
unconscionable abomination of Biblical proportion
Respectfully yours
Le Baron Bruno Camille Soucanye de Landevoisn
chump666
A really good point
GROSS Well not many The way to get rich in the past was
to borrow money and to lever hedge funds and levered corporate
situations in terms of buyouts et cetera et cetera or to buy the
stock market in 2013 which itself is a levered type of investment
Corporations borrow 40 to 50 percent of their balance sheet They
lever up and you can buy equities in a levered type of situation So
leverage over the past 20 to 30 years Stephanie has really
produced this total return high return type of investment market
that investors have grown used to Pension funds think 7 8 9
percent is what they should expect which means 4 percent from
bonds and 12 percent from stocks Not going to happen because
basically wersquove been priced into the market Assets are artificially
priced And from this point forward double-digit returns getting
rich on leverage no You better look elsewhere for ndash for your
profits
Leverage up and buy a shtload of lottery tickets better chance
Dubaibanker
If China is so
unimportant then why is Bill Gross talking about it
Why not talk about Eritrea or Seychelles or Benin instead They are
very important to the global economic conditionsGross must
invest there if he does not like or understand China
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Gross is a world class asshole and criminal to attempt to tell
morons that GREAT FORTUNES were made by INVESTING they were
not all great fortunes in the past 40 years were made by
THEFT
satoshi911
About 10 of the
CONTENT of the GROSS interview was on CHINA but ZH
put CHINA on the post title enough said its all what we
call blogger fodder to send commenters to their keyboard death
Goldman-SachsAIPAC has a hardon for CHINA this we know
Telling that GOLDMAN-SACHS sold all their interest last MAY in
ICBC then and only then did they go full retard to give it a
bad name but all the toxic mystery meat in question here
came from the Goldman-Sach NUT-SACK
TheGoldMyth
Steve Keen on private
debt and Australia and BitCoin as an enduring platform
Published on Jan 22 2014
Steve Keen is a well-known economist who is considered one of
the leading critics of mainstream economics treatment of debt and
money He considers himself a post-Keynesian in that he adheres to
John Maynard Keynes idea that demand matters in the long as well
as the short run But his focus is debt and specifically how Hyman
Minskys financial instability hypothesis is reflected in highly
indebted economies
Right now Dr Keen is working on an ambitious mathematical model
of financial instability called simply Minsky
Erin Ade spoke with Dr Keen about debt generally and private debt
specifically as well as the Australian economy
Also Erin Ade and Edward Harrison discuss how Bitcoin purchases
at casino hotels will be processed through BitPay a service that
streamlines transactions using tablet and mobile interfaces Could
BitCoin itself crash and burn but the platform and application
endure anyway
Spungo
Bill Gross plays Fallout
3 Who knew
Bdelande
Note to the Federal
Reserve
Dear Janet February 4th 2014
If I may be so forward I felt compelled to pass on a quick note
from a most concerned permanent resident of the United States of
America
Purposely degrading this Nations hard earned reserve currency
status that was so honorably delivered to you by previous
generations who built this great country from the ground up
through their virtuous and industrious blood sweat and tears only
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to then implement a disgracefully lamentable monetary policy which
deliberately steals from future unborn generations in order to
facilitate living standards beyond our means so as to maintain an
unearned undeserved and unprincipled culture of grotesque mass
over-consumption can only be characterized as a deplorable
unconscionable abomination of Biblical proportion
Respectfully yours
Le Baron Bruno Camille Soucanye de Landevoisn
chump666
A really good point
GROSS Well not many The way to get rich in the past was
to borrow money and to lever hedge funds and levered corporate
situations in terms of buyouts et cetera et cetera or to buy the
stock market in 2013 which itself is a levered type of investment
Corporations borrow 40 to 50 percent of their balance sheet They
lever up and you can buy equities in a levered type of situation So
leverage over the past 20 to 30 years Stephanie has really
produced this total return high return type of investment market
that investors have grown used to Pension funds think 7 8 9
percent is what they should expect which means 4 percent from
bonds and 12 percent from stocks Not going to happen because
basically wersquove been priced into the market Assets are artificially
priced And from this point forward double-digit returns getting
rich on leverage no You better look elsewhere for ndash for your
profits
Leverage up and buy a shtload of lottery tickets better chance
Dubaibanker
If China is so
unimportant then why is Bill Gross talking about it
Why not talk about Eritrea or Seychelles or Benin instead They are
very important to the global economic conditionsGross must
invest there if he does not like or understand China
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to then implement a disgracefully lamentable monetary policy which
deliberately steals from future unborn generations in order to
facilitate living standards beyond our means so as to maintain an
unearned undeserved and unprincipled culture of grotesque mass
over-consumption can only be characterized as a deplorable
unconscionable abomination of Biblical proportion
Respectfully yours
Le Baron Bruno Camille Soucanye de Landevoisn
chump666
A really good point
GROSS Well not many The way to get rich in the past was
to borrow money and to lever hedge funds and levered corporate
situations in terms of buyouts et cetera et cetera or to buy the
stock market in 2013 which itself is a levered type of investment
Corporations borrow 40 to 50 percent of their balance sheet They
lever up and you can buy equities in a levered type of situation So
leverage over the past 20 to 30 years Stephanie has really
produced this total return high return type of investment market
that investors have grown used to Pension funds think 7 8 9
percent is what they should expect which means 4 percent from
bonds and 12 percent from stocks Not going to happen because
basically wersquove been priced into the market Assets are artificially
priced And from this point forward double-digit returns getting
rich on leverage no You better look elsewhere for ndash for your
profits
Leverage up and buy a shtload of lottery tickets better chance
Dubaibanker
If China is so
unimportant then why is Bill Gross talking about it
Why not talk about Eritrea or Seychelles or Benin instead They are
very important to the global economic conditionsGross must
invest there if he does not like or understand China
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