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About the BikeAdvice Buyers Guide
This guide has been meticulously prepared by us in order for our readers to better understand
the choices they have in the Indian bike market upto 250cc. We have divided the guide into
sections based on engine capacity / segments so that it may be more convenient for a
prospective buyer to easily look up the choices within a particular segment. The categories are
100 110 cc 125 135cc 150 180cc 200 250cc
Information for the 100 135cc includes Price, Enginecc, Max Power, Fuel Economy, Pros,Cons and a reviewlink of the bike at BikeAdvice.in.
For the 150 250cc segments, we have included additional information such as Max
Power/Torque @ RPM, 0-60 km/h times in seconds, Actual Top speeds, and Kerb weight.
High quality pictures, wherever possible, have been used to provide you with the best possible
guide to purchasing / reviewing a bike. Information such as top speeds and mileage are based
on real world conditions and independent testing and may vary from manufacturer claims.
Credits
Editing and Publishing
Deepak Raj, Editor in Chief, BikeAdvice.in
Design, Compilation and Presentation
Arun Thampi, Editor, BikeAdvice.in
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INDEX
Segments[Click on a segment to view bikes, or]
Manufacturers[Click on the logo to view their respective bikes]
100 110cc
125 135cc
150 180cc
200 250cc
350 - 500cc
Scooters
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Bikes : 100 110c
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Platina
Price: 37,217
Engine CC: 99.27
Max Power ( PS ) : 8.2
Avg Fuel Economy : 65 70
Pros : Acceptable looks with a frugal engine.
Cons : Doesnt age quite well
Review Link :Click Here
Bikes
100 110cc
http://www.bikeadvice.in/bajaj-platina-review/http://www.bikeadvice.in/bajaj-platina-review/http://www.bikeadvice.in/bajaj-platina-review/http://www.bikeadvice.in/bajaj-platina-review/7/27/2019 Buyers Guide- May
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Bikes : 100 110c
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Discover DTS-Si
Price: 44,900
Engine CC: 94.38
Max Power ( PS ) : 7.7
Avg Fuel Economy : 75 80
Pros : Very economical engine, nice graphics, LED tail lamp.
Cons : Vibrations, lesser power than Platina.
Review Link :Click Here
http://bikeadvice.in/bajaj-discover-dtssi-100-review/http://bikeadvice.in/bajaj-discover-dtssi-100-review/http://bikeadvice.in/bajaj-discover-dtssi-100-review/http://bikeadvice.in/bajaj-discover-dtssi-100-review/7/27/2019 Buyers Guide- May
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Bikes : 100 110c
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CD Dawn
Price : 37,090
Engine CC: 97.20
Max Power ( PS ) : 7.4
Avg Fuel Economy : 60 - 70
Pros : Very reliable, cheap, great resale value, low maintenance, Fuel efficient.
Cons : Bland looks, bread and butter feel.
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Bikes : 100 110c
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CD Deluxe
Price : 42,872
Engine CC: 97.20
Max Power ( PS ) : 7.4
Avg Fuel Economy : 60 - 70
Pros : Very reliable, great resale value, low maintenance, Fuel efficient, good looks.
Cons : Very bad at climbs with pillion on board.
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Bikes : 100 110c
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Splendor NXG
Price : 47,070
Engine CC: 97.20
Max Power ( PS ) : 7.4
Avg Fuel Economy : 65 - 75
Pros : The new improved version of the all time best seller, the Splendor with better looks, a great commuter
with good seats and great mileage.
Cons : Honda offers the 125cc, drum and spoke version of the Shine for the same price.
Review Link :Click Here
http://bikeadvice.in/hero-honda-splendor-nxg-review/http://bikeadvice.in/hero-honda-splendor-nxg-review/http://bikeadvice.in/hero-honda-splendor-nxg-review/http://bikeadvice.in/hero-honda-splendor-nxg-review/7/27/2019 Buyers Guide- May
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Bikes : 100 110c
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Passion Plus / Pro
Price : 47,584 (Drum Brake) / 50,077 (Disc Brake)
Engine CC: 97.20
Max Power ( PS ) : 7.4
Avg Fuel Economy : 60 - 65
Pros : good looks, great ride quality, Hero Honda reliability and quality, great resale value .
Cons : Not very exciting to ride, The new CB Twister is available for the same price.
Review Link :Click Here
http://bikeadvice.in/hero-honda-passion-plus-review/http://bikeadvice.in/hero-honda-passion-plus-review/http://bikeadvice.in/hero-honda-passion-plus-review/http://bikeadvice.in/hero-honda-passion-plus-review/7/27/2019 Buyers Guide- May
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Bikes : 100 110c
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CB Twister
Price : 47,891 ( Kick start, Drum Brakes )
54,321 ( Electric start, Disc Brakes)
Engine CC: 110
Max Power ( PS ) : 9
Avg Fuel Economy : 65 - 75
Pros : The best looking 100 110 cc segment bike in India, maintenance free battery, tubeless tires
Cons : Too early to say.
Review Link :Click Here
http://bikeadvice.in/honda-cb-twister-test-ride-anand/http://bikeadvice.in/honda-cb-twister-test-ride-anand/http://bikeadvice.in/honda-cb-twister-test-ride-anand/http://bikeadvice.in/honda-cb-twister-test-ride-anand/7/27/2019 Buyers Guide- May
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Bikes : 100 110c
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Jive
Price : 46,000
Engine CC: 109
Max Power ( PS ) : 8.5
Avg Fuel Economy : 60 - 65
Pros : An easy to drive, innovative clutch less bike, under seat storage, scooter like drivability with bike like
mileage and efficiency.
Cons : Too early to say
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Bikes : 100 110c
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Star Sport
Price : 39,842
Engine CC: 99.7
Max Power ( PS ) : 7.6
Avg Fuel Economy : 60 - 65
Pros : A good looking 100cc bike, easy to ride, lightweight.
Cons : Not suitable for rough use.
Review Link :Click Here
http://bikeadvice.in/tvs-star-sport-review/http://bikeadvice.in/tvs-star-sport-review/http://bikeadvice.in/tvs-star-sport-review/http://bikeadvice.in/tvs-star-sport-review/7/27/2019 Buyers Guide- May
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Bikes : 100 110c
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Star City
Price : 44,730 (Spoke Wheels)
45,584 (Alloy Wheels)
Engine CC: 109.7
Max Power ( PS ) : 8.29
Avg Fuel Economy : 60 - 65
Pros : Great looking bike with a decent price and mileage.
Cons : Not suitable for rough use.
Review Link :Click Here
http://bikeadvice.in/tvs-star-city-review/http://bikeadvice.in/tvs-star-city-review/http://bikeadvice.in/tvs-star-city-review/http://bikeadvice.in/tvs-star-city-review/7/27/2019 Buyers Guide- May
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Bikes : 100 110c
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Crux S
Price : 39,794
Engine CC: 106
Max Power ( PS ) : 7.3
Avg Fuel Economy : 60 - 65
Pros : Rev happy engine, superb gearbox, well built with great components quality.
Cons : Plain looks, not very appealing.
Review Link :Click Here
http://bikeadvice.in/yamaha-crux-review/http://bikeadvice.in/yamaha-crux-review/http://bikeadvice.in/yamaha-crux-review/http://bikeadvice.in/yamaha-crux-review/7/27/2019 Buyers Guide- May
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Bikes : 100 110c
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Alba
Price : 46,442
Engine CC: 106
Max Power ( PS ) : 7.6
Avg Fuel Economy : 65 - 70
Pros : A great looking bike, good build quality, nice paint / graphics.
Cons : The Honda CB Twister could be yours for the same price.
Review Link :Click Here
http://bikeadvice.in/yamaha-alba-100cc-bike/http://bikeadvice.in/yamaha-alba-100cc-bike/http://bikeadvice.in/yamaha-alba-100cc-bike/http://bikeadvice.in/yamaha-alba-100cc-bike/7/27/2019 Buyers Guide- May
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Bikes : 100 110c
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YBR 110
Price : 45,000
Engine CC: 106
Max Power ( PS ) : 7.6
Avg Fuel Economy : 65 - 70
Pros : Value for money bike, efficient, wide seats, useful grab rail.
Cons : Its basically a rebadged Alba at a slightly lower price and better features.
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Bikes : 100 110c
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Libero G5
Price : 49,083
Engine CC: 106
Max Power ( PS ) : 7.8
Avg Fuel Economy : 60 - 65
Pros : Easy to ride, big, wide seats, good mileage.
Cons : Outdated, looks arent too impressive, only two colors to choose from
Review Link :Click Here
http://bikeadvice.in/yamaha-g5/http://bikeadvice.in/yamaha-g5/http://bikeadvice.in/yamaha-g5/http://bikeadvice.in/yamaha-g5/7/27/2019 Buyers Guide- May
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Bikes : 125 - 135c
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Discover 135
Price : 52,391 ( Drum Brakes )
55,538 ( Disc brakes )
Engine CC: 134.2
Max Power ( PS ) : 13.10
Avg Fuel Economy : 55 - 60
Pros : Great paint / graphics, easy to ride, acceptable comfort.
Cons : Build quality and long term durability has room for improvement.
Review Link:Click Here
Bikes
125 135cc
http://bikeadvice.in/bajaj-discover-135-dtsi-review/http://bikeadvice.in/bajaj-discover-135-dtsi-review/http://bikeadvice.in/bajaj-discover-135-dtsi-review/http://bikeadvice.in/bajaj-discover-135-dtsi-review/7/27/2019 Buyers Guide- May
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Bikes : 125 - 135c
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Pulsar 135 Light Sport
Price : 58,200
Engine CC: 134.66
Max Power ( PS ) : 13.5
Avg Fuel Economy : 55 - 65
Pros : Lightweight, good handling, good brakes, four valve engine.
Cons : Looks similar to the XCD in more ways than one, rear wheel mudguard looks hideous.
Review Link :Click Here
http://bikeadvice.in/bajaj-pulsar-135ls-comprehensive-road-test/http://bikeadvice.in/bajaj-pulsar-135ls-comprehensive-road-test/http://bikeadvice.in/bajaj-pulsar-135ls-comprehensive-road-test/http://bikeadvice.in/bajaj-pulsar-135ls-comprehensive-road-test/7/27/2019 Buyers Guide- May
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Bikes : 125 - 135c
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Platina 125
Price : 44,373
Engine CC: 124.5
Max Power ( PS ) : 9.53
Avg Fuel Economy : 65 - 70
Pros : 125cc bike at 100cc price. Cheapest 125cc bike in the Indian market.
Cons : Not very durable for long term or rough use.
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Bikes : 125 - 135c
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Super Splendor
Price : 50,576
Engine CC: 124.7
Max Power ( PS ) : 9.13
Avg Fuel Economy : 70 - 75
Pros : Hero Honda quality and reliability, Disc Brakes, Smooth Engine.
Cons : Plain looks, narrow tires.
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Bikes : 125 - 135c
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Glamour
Price : 52,072 ( Drum )
54,177 ( Disc )
Engine CC: 124.7
Max Power ( PS ) : 9.13
Avg Fuel Economy : 65 - 70
Pros : Quality, reliability, Disc brakes, Low maintenance, good paintwork.
Cons : Same engine as the Super Splendor with no difference in power figures.
Review Link :Click Here
http://bikeadvice.in/hero-honda-glamour-125cc-review/http://bikeadvice.in/hero-honda-glamour-125cc-review/http://bikeadvice.in/hero-honda-glamour-125cc-review/http://bikeadvice.in/hero-honda-glamour-125cc-review/7/27/2019 Buyers Guide- May
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Bikes : 125 - 135c
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Glamour FI
Price : 62,765
Engine CC: 124.7
Max Power ( PS ) : 9.13
Avg Fuel Economy : 75 - 80
Pros :
Indias first fuel injected bike, the most efficient bike from Hero Honda, Mileage Indicator, great throttle
response and smoothness.
Cons : Expensive, Service centers for FI engine are comparatively lesser due to the requirement of expensive
equipment.
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Bikes : 125 - 135c
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Shine
Price : 46,534 (Drum Brakes, Spokes, Kick Start)
54,419 ( Elect. Start, Disc brakes, Alloys)
Engine CC: 124.6
Max Power ( PS ) : 10.4
Avg Fuel Economy : 70 - 75
Pros : A good looking, reliable 125cc from Honda, low maintenance, easy to ride.
Cons : Short gear ratios.
Review Link :Click Here
http://bikeadvice.in/honda-shine-125cc-review/http://bikeadvice.in/honda-shine-125cc-review/http://bikeadvice.in/honda-shine-125cc-review/http://bikeadvice.in/honda-shine-125cc-review/7/27/2019 Buyers Guide- May
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Bikes : 125 - 135c
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CBF Stunner
Price : 51,116 (Kick start, Drum Brakes)
57,970 ( Electric start, Disc Brakes)
Engine CC: 124.7
Max Power ( PS ) : 11.15
Avg Fuel Economy : 60
Pros : The best looking 125cc in the market, sold internationally, Honda quality and reliablity.
Cons : Performance not as good as the looks, could use some extra power, 150cc would have done justice.
Review Link :Click Here
http://bikeadvice.in/honda-cbf-stunner-125cc-review/http://bikeadvice.in/honda-cbf-stunner-125cc-review/http://bikeadvice.in/honda-cbf-stunner-125cc-review/http://bikeadvice.in/honda-cbf-stunner-125cc-review/7/27/2019 Buyers Guide- May
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Bikes : 125 - 135c
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Zeus
Price : 50,324 ( Drum )
51,911 ( Disc )
Engine CC: 124
Max Power ( PS ) : 8.83
Avg Fuel Economy : 60 - 65
Pros : Smooth engine, well equipped, gear shift indicator, easy to handle.
Cons : Looks does not impress, a little expensive too.
Review Link :Click Here
http://bikeadvice.in/suzuki-zeus/http://bikeadvice.in/suzuki-zeus/http://bikeadvice.in/suzuki-zeus/http://bikeadvice.in/suzuki-zeus/7/27/2019 Buyers Guide- May
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Bikes : 125 - 135c
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Flame
Price : 54, 561 ( Disc, Electric Start )
Engine CC: 124.8
Max Power ( PS ) : 10.5
Avg Fuel Economy : 65 - 70
Pros : Great fun to ride, good brakes, Looks good, great features, Engine designed in collaboration with AVL,
Austria.
Cons : TVS tyres not very grippy.
Review link : Click Here
http://bikeadvice.in/tvs-flame-ccvti-125cc-review/http://bikeadvice.in/tvs-flame-ccvti-125cc-review/http://bikeadvice.in/tvs-flame-ccvti-125cc-review/7/27/2019 Buyers Guide- May
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Bikes : 125 - 135c
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Gladiator
Price : 55,403
Engine CC: 123.7
Max Power ( PS ) : 10.8
Avg Fuel Economy : 60 - 65
Pros : A worthy competitor to the Honda Stunner, great handling, balance and performance, great looks with
the new color scheme.
Cons : Narrow tires, low mid range torque.
Review link :Click Here
http://bikeadvice.in/yamaha-gladiator-ss-125cc-review/http://bikeadvice.in/yamaha-gladiator-ss-125cc-review/http://bikeadvice.in/yamaha-gladiator-ss-125cc-review/http://bikeadvice.in/yamaha-gladiator-ss-125cc-review/7/27/2019 Buyers Guide- May
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Bikes : 150 - 180c
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Discover 150 DTSi
Price : 52,500
Engine CC: 144.8
Max Power ( PS@RPM ) : 13 @7500
Max Torque ( NM@RPM ) : 12.75 @ 6500
0 60 Km/h time ( seconds ) : -
Top Speed ( Km/h, Actual ) : Not tested
Avg Fuel Economy : 60 - 65Kerb Weight ( Kg ) : 121
Pros : Lightweight, efficient, value for money, front disc brake, BS 3 compliant.
Cons : Looks almost just like the Discover 100cc, reliability, handling and quality needs to be
seen.
Bikes
150 180cc
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Bikes : 150 - 180c
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Pulsar 150 DTSi (Review)
Price : 65,200
Engine CC: 149.01
Max Power ( PS@RPM ) : 15.06 @ 8500
Max Torque ( NM@RPM ) : 12.5 @ 6500
0 60 Km/h time ( seconds ) : 5.50
Top Speed ( Km/h, Actual ) : 113
Avg Fuel Economy : 45 55
Kerb Weight ( Kg ) : 143
Pros : Good Looks, Good exhaust note, Acceptable handling, great ride quality over bumpy
roads due to softsuspension, very friendly to modifications.
Cons : Reliability Issues, Quality of components needs improvement, very common on roads
not the best handler, discbrake is too powerful for the front tyre, skids easily.
http://bikeadvice.in/bajaj-pulsar-150-dtsi-2009/http://bikeadvice.in/bajaj-pulsar-150-dtsi-2009/http://bikeadvice.in/bajaj-pulsar-150-dtsi-2009/http://bikeadvice.in/bajaj-pulsar-150-dtsi-2009/7/27/2019 Buyers Guide- May
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Bikes : 150 - 180c
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Pulsar 180 DTSi (Review)
Price : 69,000
Engine CC: 178.60
Max Power ( PS@RPM ) : 17.05 @ 8500
Max Torque ( NM@RPM ) : 14.22 @ 6500
0 60 Km/h time ( seconds ) : 4.98
Top Speed ( Km/h, Actual ) : 117
Avg Fuel Economy : 45 50
Kerb Weight ( Kg ) : 147
Pros : Great looks, great exhaust note, bigger front forks, split seats, good performance, tubeless tires,
friendly to modifications, comfortable ride, stable for stunts.
Cons : Looks almost identical to the Pulsar 150, Quality issues, front brakes are too powerful for the tyres,
heavy, common on roads, reliability issues such as oil leaks, starter trouble and rear LED failure. Apache 180
demonstrates the true capabilities of a 180cc engine, naked chain doesnt last too long.
Avenger 200 DTSi (Review)
http://bikeadvice.in/bajaj-pulsar-180cc-dtsi-review/http://bikeadvice.in/bajaj-pulsar-180cc-dtsi-review/http://bikeadvice.in/bajaj-pulsar-180cc-dtsi-review/http://bikeadvice.in/bajaj-pulsar-180cc-dtsi-review/http://bikeadvice.in/bajaj-pulsar-180cc-dtsi-review/http://bikeadvice.in/bajaj-pulsar-180cc-dtsi-review/http://bikeadvice.in/bajaj-pulsar-180cc-dtsi-review/http://bikeadvice.in/bajaj-pulsar-180cc-dtsi-review/7/27/2019 Buyers Guide- May
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Bikes : 150 - 180c
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Price : 74,000
Engine CC: 198.80
Max Power ( PS@RPM ) : 17.51 @ 8500
Max Torque ( NM@RPM ) : 16.78 @ 6500
Top Speed ( Km/h, Actual ) : 107
Avg Fuel Economy : 35 - 40
Kerb Weight ( Kg ) : 150
Pros : Well designed cruiser with a timeless look, engine borrowed from the Pulsar 200 for great
performance, 15 inch rear tyre makes acceleration a breeze, easy to handle, affordable, great fun for
weekend tours.
Cons : Long wheelbase makes taking U turns a little difficult, rear brakes could have been better.
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Bikes : 150 - 180c
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Achiever
Price : 60,316
Engine CC: 149. 1
Max Power ( PS@RPM ) : 13.4 @ 8000
Max Torque ( NM@RPM ) : 12.8 @ 5000
0 60 Km/h time ( seconds ) : 6.25
Top Speed ( Km/h, Actual ) : 110
Avg Fuel Economy : 55 - 60
Kerb Weight ( Kg ) : 134
Pros : Great engine borrowed from the Unicorn, reliable, easy to ride, good gearbox and mileage, well priced
too, low maintenance, good quality of components.
Cons : Lack of modern equipment like LED lamps or digital speedo, 3,000 rupees more can get you the Hunk
Achiever almost looks outdated, performance not very impressive.
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Bikes : 150 - 180c
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Hunk (Review)
Price : 63,366
Engine CC: 149.2
Max Power ( PS@RPM ) : 14.4 @ 8500
Max Torque ( NM@RPM ) : 12.8 @ 6500
0 60 Km/h time ( seconds ) : 5.8
Avg Fuel Economy : 45 50
Top Speed ( Km/h, Actual ) : 107
Kerb Weight ( Kg ) : 146
Pros : Designed in Italy, awesome looks, great ride quality and comfort, really smooth engine borrowed fromthe Unicorn, priced well, , nice seats and riding position, a great package overall.
Cons : Lack of LED tail light, narrow tyres at the front, it is heavy for 150ccs.
http://bikeadvice.in/hero-honda-hunk-review-pictures/http://bikeadvice.in/hero-honda-hunk-review-pictures/http://bikeadvice.in/hero-honda-hunk-review-pictures/http://bikeadvice.in/hero-honda-hunk-review-pictures/7/27/2019 Buyers Guide- May
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Bikes : 150 - 180c
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CBZ Extreme (Review)
Price : 64,775
Engine CC: 149.2
Max Power ( PS@RPM ) : 14.4 @ 8500
Max Torque ( NM@RPM ) : 12.8 @ 6500
0 60 Km/h time ( seconds ) : 5.55
Avg Fuel Economy : 50 55
Top Speed ( Km/h, Actual ) : 110
Kerb Weight ( Kg ) : 143
Pros : Apart from the headlight, the bike looks really good, well designed tail light, good ride quality,
acceptable performance, can be easily fitted with a Karizma R front fairing.
Cons : Doesnt capture the essence of the old CBZ, performance not very impressive, poorly designed
headlight almost ruins the looks of the whole bike.
http://bikeadvice.in/hero-honda-cbz-xtreme-review/http://bikeadvice.in/hero-honda-cbz-xtreme-review/http://bikeadvice.in/hero-honda-cbz-xtreme-review/http://bikeadvice.in/hero-honda-cbz-xtreme-review/7/27/2019 Buyers Guide- May
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Bikes : 150 - 180c
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CB Unicorn (Review)
Price : 64,082
Engine CC: 149.1
Max Power ( PS@RPM ) : 13.5 @ 8000
Max Torque ( NM@RPM ) : 12.8 @ 5500
0 60 Km/h time ( seconds ) : 6.10
Avg Fuel Economy : 55 60
Top Speed ( Km/h, Actual ) : 101
Kerb Weight ( Kg ) : 146
Pros : The best 150cc engine in India, very smooth, silent and extremely reliable due to simplicity of design,
easy to ride, really long and wide seat, mono shock suspension, high quality mechanical components.
Cons : Has a commuter bike feel, needs more power to be any exciting, has a few minor problems with long
term durability of body panels.
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38/63
Bikes : 150 - 180c
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CB Unicorn Dazzler
Price : 67,000
Engine CC: 149.1
Max Power ( PS@RPM ) : 14 @ 8500
Max Torque ( NM@RPM ) : 12.75 @ 60000 60 Km/h time ( seconds ) : -
Avg Fuel Economy : 60
Top Speed ( Km/h, Actual ) : 112
Kerb Weight ( Kg ) : 138
Pros : Stylish, economical, reliable engine from Honda, great mileage despite all the improvements in power,
rear disc brakes, 17 inch wheels at front and rear, digital console with clock, tank fairing, mono suspension,
better ride comfort, new air filter for better performance, new unique rear view mirrors, maintenance free
battery.
Cons : Early to say.
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39/63
Bikes : 150 - 180c
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Apache RTR 160 / 160 FI (Review)
Price : 65,623; 67,374 ( with rear disc ); 75, 360 ( Fuel Injected, with rear disc )
Engine CC: 159.7
Max Power ( PS@RPM ) : 15.4 @ 8500
Max Torque ( NM@RPM ) : 13.1 @ 6000
0 60 Km/h time ( seconds ) : 5.04
Avg Fuel Economy : 45 - 55
Top Speed ( Km/h, Actual ) : 119
Kerb Weight ( Kg ) : 136
Pros : Powerful, exciting to ride, Suzuki Fiero based engine, well balanced chassis with great feedback andhandling, very sharp and powerful brakes, well designed digital speedometer with data logger, adjustable
handle bars, powerful rear LED tail lamps, very nimble in traffic, engine is extremely reliable for tuning /
performance modifications.
Cons : Ride quality not the best on broken roads, dealers dont always have stock of various parts, FI version
is serviced only at major cities.
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40/63
Bikes : 150 - 180c
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Apache RTR 180 (Review)
Price : 73,918
Engine CC: 177.4
Max Power ( PS@RPM ) : 17.3 @ 8500
Max Torque ( NM@RPM ) : 15.5 @ 6500
0 60 Km/h time ( seconds ) : 4.45
Avg Fuel Economy : 40 - 50
Top Speed ( Km/h, Actual ) : 124
Kerb Weight ( Kg ) : 137
Pros : Very powerful with 0-60 times faster than all other bikes in the Indian market upto 225cc including R15
Pulsar 220 and Karizma R / ZMR. In-gear acceleration even more impressive. Well distributed torque and
power makes it usable throughout the rev range, Excellent build quality and attention to detail, removable
mudflap, tubeless tyres, Data logger, long wheelbase for stability, high seating position gives confidence,
sharp and powerful brakes, engine can easily and reliably handle more power / tuning.
Cons : Not very comfortable for tall riders, naked chain needs more maintenance under Indian conditions.
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41/63
Bikes : 150 - 180c
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GS 150R (Review)
Price : 67,059
Engine CC: 149.5
Max Power ( PS@RPM ) : 14 @ 8500
Max Torque ( NM@RPM ) : 13.4 @ 6000
0 60 Km/h time ( seconds ) : 5.46
Avg Fuel Economy : 55 - 60
Top Speed ( Km/h, Actual ) : 108
Kerb Weight ( Kg ) : 149
Pros : A direct competitor to the Honda Unicorn, smooth, refined engine, 6 gears, good mileage, well
designed speedometer, Head and Tail lights inspired by the Suzuki GSXR 1000, a great all round package.
Cons : A little pricey, could use a little more power, heavy.
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42/63
Bikes : 150 - 180c
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FZ 16 / FZ-S (Review)
Price : 73,028
Engine CC: 153Max Power ( PS@RPM ) : 14 @ 7500
Max Torque ( NM@RPM ) : 14 @ 6000
0 60 Km/h time ( seconds ) : 5.51
Avg Fuel Economy : 40 - 45
Top Speed ( Km/h, Actual ) : 111
Kerb Weight ( Kg ) : 136
Pros : One of the best looking bikes on Indian roads,easy to ride, excellent road grip, superb
brakes, commendable handling and ride quality, great exhaust note, high qualitycomponents
and parts, updates include black headlamps, new FZ logo on tank and Yamaha label on side
panel, FZS features two new colors.
Cons : Expensive, low mileage, Yamaha service generally not satisfactory, digital tachometer
not very visible in sunlight, expensive performance parts and accessories, no crash guard, rea
mudguard almost useless in rain, tiny rear seat.
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43/63
Bikes : 150 - 180c
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Fazer (Review )
Price : 81,000
Engine CC: 153
Max Power ( PS@RPM ) : 14 @ 7500
Max Torque ( NM@RPM ) : 14 @ 6000
0 60 Km/h time ( seconds ) : 5.7
Avg Fuel Economy : 35 - 40
Top Speed ( Km/h, Actual ) : 114
Kerb Weight ( Kg ) : 141
Pros : a great looking bike with a genuine big bike looks, great ride quality across all kinds of terrain, midrange power is punchy, front fairing helps in tireless long journeys, excellent brakes, the best rear view
mirrors of all bikes in the country, impeccable build quality.
Cons : Underpowered for touring, expensive, low mileage, no crash guard, rear mudguard is useless in the
rain, rear seat is tiny, the bike struggles after 100Km/h, heavy, not very nimble too, at almost the same price
the Karizma R has the same mileage with much better performance and touring prowess.
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44/63
Bikes : 150 - 180c
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R15 (Review)
Price : 1,10,000
Engine CC: 149.8
Max Power ( PS@RPM ) : 17 @ 8500
Max Torque ( NM@RPM ) : 15 @ 7500
0 60 Km/h time ( seconds ) : 5.12
Avg Fuel Economy : 40 - 45
Top Speed ( Km/h, Actual ) : 130
Kerb Weight ( Kg ) : 131
Pros : The best 150cc bike in India, very reliable engine, four valves, liquid cooling, forged lightweight piston,deltabox frame similar to the R1, designed in Japan by the same team behind the R1, the bike is lightweight
despite all the equipment; full fairing, excellent road grip even at top speed, aero dynamic design, stable and
steady at all speeds, brilliant handling and balance, performance kits take it to the next level.
Cons : Steep price, seating position not suitable for rough roads, torque inadequate at low RPMs, expensive
accessories and performance parts, Yamaha service can be improved, narrow tyres doesnt help the looks,
relatively shorter than other bikes, no crash guard.
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45/63
Bikes : 200 - 250cc
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Pulsar 220 DTSi F (Review)
Price : 78,180
Engine CC: 220
Max Power ( PS@RPM ) : 21.04 @ 8500
Max Torque ( NM@RPM ) : 19.12 @ 7000
0 60 Km/h time ( seconds ) : 4.70
Top Speed ( Km/h, Actual ) : 132
Avg Fuel Economy : 30 - 35
Kerb Weight ( Kg ) : 150
Pros : Great performance, nice exhaust note, easy to perform stunts, steel braided brake line, stable, spiltseats, size suits tall riders, highest top speed among bikes less than 250cc, mod friendly, projector lamps,
great value for money, chunky silencer, oil cooler.
Cons : Very poor quality fairing plastics, front fairing design isnt the most appealing or sporty, naked chain
is maintenance heavy, quality of parts needs improvement, the bike is also heavy, rear view mirrors next
to useless, Over enthusiastic speedo shows upto 150 Km/h compared to the actual top speed of 132.
Bikes
200 250cc
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46/63
Bikes : 200 - 250cc
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Pulsar 220 DTSi S (Review)
Price : 76,200
Engine CC: 220
Max Power ( PS@RPM ) : 21.04 @ 8500
Max Torque ( NM@RPM ) : 19.12 @ 7000
0 60 Km/h time ( seconds ) : 4.70
Top Speed ( Km/h, Actual ) : 127
Avg Fuel Economy : 30 35
Kerb Weight ( Kg ) : 147
Pros : Great performance, looks brilliant, oil cooler, 55W headlights, excellent and almost unbeatable value
for money.
Cons : Looks almost identical to the Pulsar 180, too early to say on any other aspect.
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47/63
Bikes : 200 - 250cc
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Karizma R (Review)
Price : 81,253
Engine CC: 223
Max Power ( PS@RPM ) : 17 @ 7000
Max Torque ( NM@RPM ) : 18.35 @ 6000
0 60 Km/h time ( seconds ) : 4.70
Top Speed ( Km/h, Actual ) : 126
Avg Fuel Economy : 40 45
Kerb Weight ( Kg ) : 150Pros : The best all round bike under 250cc in India, very well designed, stylish even today despite its age,
great performance, easy to handle, well designed speedo and LCD display, low maintenance, kick starter
also featured, comfortable seating and riding position, mod friendly, lots of torque, and very, very reliable.
Cons : A little old, fairing starts to rattle when used roughly, no crash guard, front tyres could be
improved, horn is the same as the Splendor.
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48/63
Bikes : 200 - 250cc
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Karizma ZMR (Review)
Price : 1,02,100
Engine CC: 223
Max Power ( PS@RPM ) : 17.6 @ 7000
Max Torque ( NM@RPM ) : 18.35 @ 6000
0 60 Km/h time ( seconds ) : 4.70
Top Speed ( Km/h, Actual ) : 127
Avg Fuel Economy : 35 - 45
Kerb Weight ( Kg ) : 159
Pros : Same engine from the Karizma with fuel injection, full fairing, Hero Honda reliability, Real Time
Mileage Indicator (RTMI), Cleanly designed speedometer with clear visibility, overall refinement, well
designed rear view mirrors, rear disc brakes, clip on handle bars.
Cons : Very steep price with very little improvement in performance over the Karizma R, stock tyres not
enough, underpowered headlamp ( 35W ), not the most appealing design, has generated only mixed
reactions, Hero Honda hasnt recreated the legend of a bike the old Karizma R was. Service centers for fuel
injection bikes are lesser.
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49/63
Bikes : 200 - 250cc
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Ninja 250 R
Price : 2,96,150
Engine CC: 249 (124.5 x 2)
Max Power ( PS@RPM ) : 33 @ 11000
Max Torque ( NM@RPM ) : 22 @ 8,200
0 60 Km/h time ( seconds ) : 2.98
Top Speed ( Km/h, Actual ) : 157
Avg Fuel Economy : 20 25 ( on premium fuel )
Kerb Weight ( Kg ) : 172
Pros : Arguably the best all round 250cc bike in the world, over 25 years of existance, twin cylinder, superb
performance, huge discs, liquid cooling, designed with practicality and performance in mind, exclusive andeye catching, six speed transmission, great handling, looks similar in many ways to the Ninja 600 and 1000.
Cons : Seemingly outdated analog speedo, no fuel gauge, expensive due to import duties, parts
replacement may cause delays, only two colors in available in India compared to over 5 in USA, service
centers available only in major cities.
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50/63
Bikes : 350cc
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Royal Enfield Classic 500
Price : 1,45,000
Engine CC: 499
Max Power ( PS@RPM ) : 27.2 @ 5250
Max Torque ( NM@RPM ) : 41.3 @ 4000
Top Speed ( Km/h, Actual ) : 130Avg Fuel Economy : 20 - 25
Kerb Weight ( Kg ) : 182
Pros : Classic design, extremely comfortable for any kind of long journeys, great features,
41 Nm of torque is good enough for a trip across the country.
Cons : Fuel Injection system makes maintenance a complicated proposition.
Bikes
350 - 500cc
7/27/2019 Buyers Guide- May
51/63
Bikes : 350cc
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Royal Enfield Classic 350
Price : 1,15,000
Engine CC: 346
Max Power ( PS@RPM ) : 19.8 @ 5250
Max Torque ( NM@RPM ) : 28Nm @ 4000
Top Speed ( Km/h, Actual ) : 120
Avg Fuel Economy : 30 - 35
Kerb Weight ( Kg ) : 182
Pros : Classic design, comfortable for long journeys, great features, the bike is acceptably
economical yet very powerful, fuel injection system adjusts fuel mix to varying altitudes
making frequent stops during hill climbs a thing of the past.
Cons : Fuel injection system is complicated and requires expensive equipment to fiddle
with, most roadside service centers that would be able to service the older carb Bullets may
just show a blind eye to this one, in case of any problems.
7/27/2019 Buyers Guide- May
52/63
Bikes : 350cc
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Royal Enfield Thunderbird Twinspark
Price : 1,14,800Engine CC: 346
Max Power ( PS@RPM ) : 19.8 @ 5250
Max Torque ( NM@RPM ) : 28Nm @ 4000
Top Speed ( Km/h, Actual ) : 120
Avg Fuel Economy : 30 - 35
Kerb Weight ( Kg ) : 182
Pros : Great design, outstanding ride quality and seating position, excellent ride comfort
courtesy of the nicely shaped seats, relaxed dynamics, very good straight-line stability and
poise.
Cons : Nothing much really
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53/63
Bikes : 350cc
53 |P a g e BikeAdvice Buyers Guide - March 2010 - V.1.00
Royal Enfield Electra Twinspark
Price : 1,10,000
Engine CC: 346
Max Power ( PS@RPM ) : 19.8 @ 5250
Max Torque ( NM@RPM ) : 28Nm @ 4000
Top Speed ( Km/h, Actual ) : 120
Avg Fuel Economy : 30 - 35
Kerb Weight ( Kg ) : 180
Pros : Original Bullet design, inverted gas shocks at rear provide great ride quality,
impeccable stability, refined and smooth engine note with the typical thump, soft and
comfortable seats, powerful disc brake up front, easy to maintain and service.
Cons : Nothing much really
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54/63
Scooters
54 |P a g e BikeAdvice Buyers Guide - March 2010 - V.1.00
Pleasure
Price : 40,730
Engine CC: 102
Max Power ( PS ) : 7.1
Avg Fuel Economy : 45 - 50
Pros : Same engine as the Activa, refined, looks good, easy to ride, good build quality.
Cons : Marketed as a ladies scooter.
Review Link :Click Here
Scooters
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55/63
Scooters
55 |P a g e BikeAdvice Buyers Guide - March 2010 - V.1.00
Activa / Activa DLX
Price : 45,749 / 46,964 (DLX)
Engine CC: 109
Max Power ( PS ) : 8.1
Avg Fuel Economy : 50 - 55
Pros : An easy to ride scooter, very refined, well designed with good ride comfort and storage space.
Cons : The Suzuki Access, a 125cc scooter is available for just Rs 3,000 more
Review Link :Click Here
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56/63
Scooters
56 |P a g e BikeAdvice Buyers Guide - March 2010 - V.1.00
Aviator
Price : 48,000 ( Drum Brakes )
53,500 ( Disc Brakes )
Engine CC: 109
Max Power ( PS ) : 8
Avg Fuel Economy : 50 - 55
Pros : One of the best looking scooters around, great quality, optional disc brakes.
Cons : Suzuki Access, 125cc is yours for almost the same price ( 48,500 )
Review Link :Click Here
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57/63
Scooters
57 |P a g e BikeAdvice Buyers Guide - March 2010 - V.1.00
Dio
Price : 41,242
Engine CC: 102
Max Power ( PS ) : 7
Avg Fuel Economy : 45 - 50
Pros : A great looking scooter, a hit with youngsters, Activa engine, zippy and easy to ride.
Cons : Fiber body, comparatively build quality not as good as the Activa.
Review Link :Click Here
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58/63
Scooters
58 |P a g e BikeAdvice Buyers Guide - March 2010 - V.1.00
Wego
Price : 48,600
Engine CC: 109
Max Power ( PS ) : 8.1
Avg Fuel Economy : 40 - 45
Pros : A great looking scooter, 12 inch wheels, full metal body
Cons : Too early to say
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59/63
Scooters
59 |P a g e BikeAdvice Buyers Guide - March 2010 - V.1.00
Scooty Streak
Price : 41,236
Engine CC: 87.8
Max Power ( PS ) : 5
Avg Fuel Economy : 50 - 60
Pros : Lightweight, very easy to handle, good looks, mobile charger, storage space.
Cons : Not very fast, build quality can be improved, unstable on loose rock or bumpy roads.
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60/63
Scooters
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Duro
Price : 43,477
Engine CC: 124.6
Max Power ( PS ) : 8.11
Avg Fuel Economy : 40 - 45
Pros : Easy to ride, fairly reliable.
Cons : Its just a rebadged Kinetic Nova.
Review Link :Click Here
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61/63
Scooters
61 |P a g e BikeAdvice Buyers Guide - March 2010 - V.1.00
Flyte
Price : 44,242
Engine CC: 124.6
Max Power ( PS ) : 8
Avg Fuel Economy : 40 - 45
Pros : Easy to ride, lightweight, comfortable, good features.
Cons : Not very appealing.
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62/63
Scooters
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Rodeo
Price : 46,801
Engine CC: 124.6
Max Power ( PS ) : 8.11
Avg Fuel Economy : 40 - 45
Pros : Fairly durable with quality parts, good to ride, nice features.
Cons : Its a restyled Flyte.
Review Link :Click Here
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63/63
Scooters
Access
Price : 48,562
Engine CC: 124.6
Max Power ( PS ) : 8.71
Avg Fuel Economy : 40 - 45
Pros : Really good pickup, great value for money, ride comfort, nimble handling and rarer than the common
A ti