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IMMIGRATION AND REFUGEE BOARD

- IMMIGRATION DIVISION -

Record of a Detenton Re!e" #e$d %nder t#e

&''raton and Ref%ee rotecton Act* concernn

MUHAMMAD AQEEQ ANSARI

HEARING: PUBLIC

HELD AT: &''raton +o$dn ,entre

DATE: October 31* 014

BEFORE: Mar$o% F%n.ton - Me'ber

APPEARANCES:

M%#a''ad A/ee/ An.ar - er.on ,oncerned

Mr An.er - ,o%n.e$M. o%renco - Mn.ter2. ,o%n.e$

Mr O$!era - Mn.ter2. ,o-,o%n.e$

NA - &nterreter


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MEMBER: ood 'ornn

6#. . a re!e" of t#e rea.on. for detenton of M%#a''ad A/ee/ An.ar

&. t#at o% .r

PERSON CONCERNED: 6#at . correct

MEMBER: O9a

& a' on to a.9 o% to .ea9 %

PERSON CONCERNED: :e. 'a2a'

MEMBER: 6#an9 o%

6oda . October 31* 014

6#e #earn . ben #e$d b "a of !deo conference bet"een t#e &''raton +o$dn

,entre n 6oronto and t#e ,entra$ ;a.t ,orrectona$ ,entre n nd.a* Ontaro

M na'e . Mar$o% F%n.ton* & a' a 'e'ber of t#e &''raton D!.on

6#e Mn.ter2. co%n.e$. toda are M. o%renco and Mr O$!era

A$.o re.ent . co%n.e$ for t#e er.on concerned and o% are Mr Faroo/ An.er

COUNSEL: 6#at . correct

MEMBER: And o% are a barr.ter and .o$ctor

COUNSEL: & a'

MEMBER: 6#an9 o%

6#ere are t#ree ob.er!er. to t#e.e roceedn.* t"o nd!d%a$. rere.entn t#e 'eda and an

nd!d%a$ fro' t#e ,anada Border Ser!ce. Aenc

Mr An.ar* o% #a!e been arre.ted b t#e ,anada Border Ser!ce. Aenc* & #a!e rece!ed

re/%e.t fro' t#e' to cond%ct t#. detenton re!e" and n t#at re/%e.t t#e ndcate t#at o% #a!e

been arre.ted for t#e %ro.e of an ad'..b$t #earn

6#e a$.o ndcate on t#at re/%e.t t#at t#e detaned on t"o ro%nd.* t#e #a!e cted t#at o%

are a daner to t#e %b$c and t#at o% are a f$#t r.9


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6#e %ro.e of t#. roceedn . for 'e to deter'ne f o% can be re$ea.ed fro' t#er

c%.tod

And f & 'a9e a re$ea.e order & can 'o.e certan condton. on o% and & can a$.o re/%re

t#at .o'eone %t % a fnanca$ %arantee

& can a.9 et#er for a ca.# deo.t or "#at . ca$$ed erfor'ance bond bot# n!o$!e 'one*one o% a %front t#e ot#er . a ro'.e to a f t#ere are an breac#e. of condton.

So* t#e "a t#. 'atter "$$ roceed . & "$$ #ear .%b'..on. and & "$$ #ear .%b'..on.

fro' t#e Mn.ter2. co%n.e$ fr.t and t#en & "$$ #ear "#at o%r co%n.e$ #a. to .a before & 'a9e '

dec.on

Before "e "ent on t#e record & act%a$$ rece!ed .o'e d.c$o.%re 'atera$ fro' t#e Mn.ter

"t# re.ect to t#. re!e"

,o%n.e$ & en of a9.tan

On No!e'ber 7* 007 #e arr!ed n ,anada and "a. ranted er'anent re.dence a. a'e'ber of t#e fa'$ c$a..

On Dece'ber 1* 007 Mr An.ar ret%rned to a9.tan

On A%%.t * 008 Mr An.ar ret%rned to ,anada fro' a9.tan


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On A%%.t 30* 01 Mr An.ar ca'e to t#e attenton of t#e Ontaro ro!nca$ o$ce and

6oronto o$ce Ser!ce. after o$ce "ere notfed b 'e'ber. of t#e co''%nt t#at Mr An.ar #ad

ac/%red a .%.co%. a'o%nt of re.trcted frear'. o!er a .#ort erod of t'e

A "arrant "a. e?ec%ted on #. re.dence "#ere #e "a. re.dn "t# #. brot#er and Mr

An.ar "a. c#ared "t# 1 frear'. re$ated offence.

6#e deta$. of t#. nteracton and t#e c#are. t#at "ere $ad are fo%nd n DR-1 at ae. 1

t#ro%# @

For t#e record t#e nc$%de breac# of frear'. re%$aton 13 co%nt.* occ%ant of a 'otor

!e#c$e 9no"n t#ere "a. a frear' fo%r co%nt.* and o..e..on of a frear' at an %na%t#or>ed $ace

fo%r co%nt.

At t#e t'e t#at Mr An.ar "a. arre.ted a --- t "a. d.co!ered t#at #e "a. atte'tn to

concea$ a t#%'b dr!e

6#at dr!e "a. reco!ered and t#e content. "ere e?a'ned

6#at "a. a cata$.t for t#e bennn of a ro


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MINISTERS COUNSEL= ,ertan$

A-+- da.# ; da.# S-U-N-N-A-6 a$ a'aat* t#e .a'e na'e t#at & ro!ded re!o%.$

.a'e .e$$n -A- -A-M-A-A-6 And t#. . a ro% t#at t#e Mn.ter a$$ee. Mr An.ar . a

'e'ber of

6#. ro% . a '$tant oran>aton "#o.e obaton ca$$ed a.#9ar-;-#an!

& a' on to .e$$ t for t#e record -A-S-+-C-A-R da.# ; da.# -+-A-N---&

6#. . an oran>aton t#at . a $.ted entt n ,anada a. "e$$ a. t#e Unted State.

&t . co''on$ 9no"n a. t#e deat# ./%ad and t #a. --- t#. ro% #a. --- . re.on.b$e for

t#e 9dnan and be#eadn of t#e Unted State. o%rna$.t Dane$ ear$ n Carac# n 00

Fo$$o"n t#at t "a. de.nated a. a terror.t entt n a n%'ber of co%ntre.

So t#. "a. t#e bennn of t#e &nterated Natona$ Sec%rt ;nforce'ent 6ea'n!e.taton

Mr An.ar "a. ranted ba$ on t#e frear'. c#are.* #e "a. f%rt#er c#ared on t#e an%ar31* 013 for '.c#ef

6#e deta$. of t#at arre.t are at DR-1 ae. 7 to 1E

6#e deta$. of t#. offence dea$ "t# Mr An.ar attendn a .tore and ta9n a .tac9 of

ne".aer. t#at are %b$.#ed for t#e A#'ad (#) M%.$' co''%nt

& "o%$d note at ae 1@ t dea$. "t# t#e fact t#at Mr An.ar "o%$d not ro!de o$ce e!en

"t# t#e 'o.t ba.c of nfor'aton at t#e t'e of #. arre.t

6#at c#are of '.c#ef "a. $ater "t#dra"n b t#e ,ro"n

On Marc# 7* 013 Mr An.ar $ed %$t to one of t#e frear'. offence. .te''n fro' t#e

arre.t n A%%.t* .ecfca$$ t#e offence dea$ "t# frear' contrar to re%$aton.

+e rece!ed a condtona$ d.c#are and one ear robaton

On Marc# 17t#


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MEMBER: 6#e ot#er c#are.

MINISTERS COUNSEL= 6#e ot#er c#are. dd not re.%$t n a con!cton & be$e!e

t#e "ere "t#dra"n a. art of t#e %$t $ea

MEMBER: And t#e con!cton aan "a. "#at

MINISTERS COUNSEL= Dea$ "t# frear' contrar to re%$aton. Secton 8@() of

t#e ,r'na$ ,ode of ,anada

MEMBER: O9a

MINISTERS COUNSEL= On Marc# 17* 014 Mr An.ar once aan tra!e$$ed to

a9.tan

+e ret%rned to ,anada on Ar$ 1* 014

At t#at t'e #e "a. nter!e"ed b a ,anada Border Ser!ce. reona$ nte$$ence offcer at

ear.on &nternatona$ Arort

6o$d t#at offcer t#at #e . --- #e !.ted a9.tan to .ee #. brot#er and ..ter-n-$a" "#o are

e'$oed b t#e a9.tan '$tar

6#at d%rn #. t'e t#ere #e 'et "t# re$o%. c$er to tr and .et % a non-roft c#art

for S%nn M%.$'.

At t#e t'e of t#. e?a'naton Mr An.ar2. tab$et re!ea$ed a n%'ber of ct%re. of frear'.

and frear' art.* .ecfca$$ t#e #otora#. nc$%ded a !aret of frear'.* for"ard $oo9nnfrared ..te'* a #o$ora#c .te* a. "e$$ a. a #otora# of a $oc9 17 $oaded n a tactca$ c#a...

"t# an e?tended 'aa>ne* an e?tended caact 'aa>ne for ben a ro#bted te'

Mr An.ar to$d t#e offcer t#at a$$ of t#e.e %n. and "eaon. #ad been .e>ed beca%.e of t#e

"a #e $oo9edG

On A%%.t 8* 014 Mr An.ar "a. reorted a. nad'..b$e b ,anada Border Ser!ce.

Aenc for #. 'e'ber.# n a terror.t oran>aton %r.%ant to .ecton 34(1)(f)* .ecfca$$ for

ben a 'e'ber of AS "#c# "a. re!o%.$ 9no"n a. t#e SS* "#c# . an acron' for Sa#-;-

Sa#aba* .e$$ed S-&--A-+ da.# ; da.# S-A-+-A-B-A

6#at 44 reort note. t#at d%rn t#e &nterated Natona$ Sec%rt ;nforce'ent 6ea'n!e.taton t "a. d.co!ered t#at n fact Mr An.ar created and 'antaned t#e "eb.te t#at "a. t#e

offca$ 'eda .er!ce to t#e.e oran>aton.

MEMBER: Sorr* .a t#at aan

MINISTERS COUNSEL= +e created and 'antaned a "eb.te t#at "a. t#e offca$

'eda "eb.te for t#e oran>aton


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MEMBER: 6#e AS o% 'ean

MINISTERS COUNSEL= :e.

6#e offcer noted "#at & #a!e a$read .tated for t#e record* t#e fact t#at t#. . a $.ted entt

n a9.tan and t#e Unted Cndo' and t . $n9ed to t#e ;

On October 4* 014 t#at reort "a. re!e"ed b Mn.ter2. De$eate "#o & dd .n a

referra$ endn Mr An.ar 'a9n #%'antaran .%b'..on. n $ne "t# +ernande>

On October 7t#Mr An.ar "a. f%rt#er reorted a. nad'..b$e %r.%ant to .ecton 34(1)(d)

for ben nad'..b$e --- for ben a 'e'ber of an oran>aton t#at o.e. daner to t#e .ec%rt of

,anada* aan a Mn.ter2. De$eate re!e"ed t#at reort .nn a referra$ endn +ernande>

.%b'..on.

And on t#at da a "arrant "a. .ned for #. arre.t

Mr An.ar "a. arre.ted on October 7t#b t#e &''raton 6a.9 Force

+e ad!.ed offca$. t#at #e dd not "ant t#e a9.tan o!ern'ent notfed of #. arre.t and

t#at #e "$$ be 'a9n .%b'..on. a. to "# #e .#o%$d not be deorted

For t#e record t#o.e .%b'..on. are d%e b No!e'ber 15* 014

&t . a$.o noted t#at at t#e t'e of #. arre.t Mr An.ar ndcated t#at #e "a. $!n at ???

??????? Dr!e* #o"e!er #. dr!er2. $cen.e addre.. --- addre.. "t# t#e Mn.ter "a. .t$$ $.ted a.

"#at & be$e!e . #. brot#er2. addre.. n eterboro%#* ?????? ?????????

6#e notce of arre.t . fo%nd n DR-1 at ae. E to 31

&t deta$. a n%'ber of ot#er concern. t#at & "$$ o o!er n ' .%b'..on.

A. noted n t#e notce of arre.t Mr An.ar #ad a$.o 'ade a n%'ber of %b$c o.tn. "#c#

t#e Aenc %t. fort# t#e o.ton are n $ne "t# #. e?tre'.t !e".

And Mr An.ar2. re.on.e to ben notfed of t#e a$$eaton aan.t #' "a. t#at t#e "ere

a$$ non-.en.e

And & "o%$d note for t#e record t#at t#e --- a .'a$$ e?cert of t#e t"tter o.tn. done b MrAn.ar are fo%nd n DR-1 at ae. to 8 %nder t#e #and$e of con!cted radca$

6#e Mn.ter toda . .ee9n Mr An.ar2. detenton on bot# .tat%tor ro%nd. t#at Mada'Me'ber ndcated a. "e$$ t#e Mn.ter . ar%n t#e ro%nd of 58(1)(c)

A$.o "t# ' .%b'..on. on %n$9e$ne.. to aear* Mr An.ar . an nd!d%a$ "#o #a. te.

to ,anada* #. fa'$ . #ere


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+e . an nd!d%a$ n t#e Mn.ter2. !e" "#o . not $9e$ to "$$n$ aear for an

ad'..b$t #earn t#at "o%$d re.%$t --- t#at co%$d re.%$t n #' $o.n #. er'anent re.dence n

,anada

&t . a$.o noted at ae 0 of DR-1 t#at #. brot#er #a. been n contact "t# t#e Aenc and

#a. ndcated t#at t . #. be$ef t#at Mr An.ar f deorted "o%$d be tort%red and t#at #. $fe "o%$dbe at r.9

6#e.e .tate'ent. ra.e a concern t#at Mr An.ar "o%$d be %n$9e$ to aear not on$ for t#e

ad'..b$t #earn b%t for an f%t%re re'o!a$ .#o%$d t#at dec.on be 'ade b t#e trb%na$

&t . a$.o note"ort# t#at t#e offence of '.c#ef for "#c# Mr An.ar "a. c#ared occ%rred

"#$e #e "a. on a recon.ance n re$aton to t#e frear'. offence.

And a. noted re!o%.$ at ae 1@ #e "a. $e.. t#an cooerat!e "t# 6oronto o$ce

Ser!ce.

&n t#e Mn.ter2. !e" t#. ndcate. a $ac9 of cooeraton "t# $a" enforce'ent

,ertan$* t#e Mn.ter "o%$d ont o%t t#at t#e 6"tter o.t. fo%nd at ae 4 on"ard are

a$.o n $ne "t# "#at t#e Mn.ter %t. for"ard a. Mr An.ar2. enera$ d.reard and d.dan for

o!ern'ent offca$.

F%rt#er t#at $ac9 of re.ect for $ea$ re/%re'ent. . e!denced b t#e fact t#at #e "a. n factn !o$aton of t#e frear'. $cen.e and --- t#at "a. ..%ed to #' a. noted b t#e fact t#at #e dd n

fact $ead %$t to an offence .te''n fro' t#e A%%.t 01 arre.t

&n reard. to 58(1)(c)

MEMBER: Before o% $ea!e t#at


MEMBER: :o% 'entoned t#at Mr An.ar "a. on ba$ for t#e frear'. c#are.

MINISTERS COUNSEL= :e.

MEMBER: Ot#er t#an t#e '.c#ef c#are* . t#ere an ..%e "t# an of #. ba$

condton.* an rob$e'. t#at o% are a"are of

MINISTERS COUNSEL= No* not#n f%rt#er t#at & a' a"are of at t#. t'e* .'$

"#at . .et o%t at ae 1 and 13 $.t "#at t#e recon.ance "a.

MEMBER: M'-#''

O9a


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MINISTERS COUNSEL= &n reard. to 58(1)(c) t#e Mn.ter2. o.ton . t#at t#e

Aenc . ta9n t#e nece..ar .te. n n!e.tatn a !er rea.onab$e .%.con t#at Mr An.ar .

nad'..b$e for ro%nd. of .ec%rt

No"* of co%r.e t#e Mn.ter f%$$ ac9no"$ede. t#at t#e reort. #a!e been "rtten* #o"e!er

t#. n!e.taton . not conc$%ded a. noted b t#e fact t#at t#ere . .t$$ f%rt#er t'e for .%b'..on.to be 'ade b Mr An.ar* and t . %nc$ear "#at t#e .%b.tance of t#o.e .%b'..on. "$$ be

6#e Mn.ter . act!e$ re!e"n dta$ nfor'aton t#at "a. obtaned t#ro%# t#e

rod%cton order. and "arrant. e?ec%ted b t#e &nterated Natona$ Sec%rt ;nforce'ent 6ea'

6#. . an n!e.taton t#at contn%e. to n!o$!e ba.ed on nfor'aton t#at . contn%a$$

ben $ocated a. ear$ a. t#. 'ornn

6#e Mn.ter ".#e. to re$ on t#e ca.e $a" t#at dea$. "t# detenton %nder 58(1)(c)

Mn.ter .%b't. t#at %.tce Near n t#e dec.on of ,anada ! ,onfdenta$ ca.e reference

&MM-@43@-0E n "#c# %.tce Near 'a9e. t#e .tate'ent t#at 58(1)(c) ro!de. for contn%ed

detenton "#$e t#e Aenc nece..ar .te. to n!e.tate a rea.onab$e .%.con* and t#at re$ea.e

.ecfca$$ n t#. ca.e a$.o dea$t "t# a .ec%rt ca.e* "o%$d %nder'ne t#e obaton "#c# . $.ted n ,anada* bot# of "#c#

#a!e co''tted act. of terror.' n taretn c!$an.

&t . tro%b$n n t#e Mn.ter2. !e" t#at Mr An.ar2. cond%ct n ,anada not on$ ant. a

ct%re of ben a 'e'ber of t#. oran>aton b%t an ntera$ 'e'ber* an nd!d%a$ "#o created and'antaned a "eb.te t#at "a. %.ed b t#. ro% to .read t. e?tre'.t 'e..ae

B !rt%e of don t#at* and oeratn t#at "eb.te* n t#e Mn.ter2. !e" Mr An.ar #a.de'on.trated t#at #e . a t#reat to t#e ,anadan %b$c


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A$.o t#e nfor'aton t#at "a. ro!ded toda abo%t Mr An.ar a'a..n "#at can on$ be

de.crbed a. a .nfcant a'o%nt of frear'. a. "e$$ a. ot#er tactca$ e/%'ent . artc%$ar$

tro%b$n n conaton

Mr An.ar2. t"eet. t#at . fo%nd n t#e Mn.ter2. d.c$o.%re n t#e aenc2. !e"

de'on.trate not on$ #. radca$>ed !e". b%t o%r ca%.e for concern n t#at t#e are read$ a!a$ab$e

to t#e %b$c and t#e de'on.trate a d.dan and aner to"ard. ,anadan offca$.

A$.o noted b t#e Mn.ter t#at accordn to t#e nfor'aton fro' &nterated Natona$

Sec%rt ;nforce'ent 6ea' Mr An.ar o.ted abo%t t#e ro% on n%'ero%. %b$c for%'.* a. & .tatedt#. . an onon n!e.taton b%t fro' "#at t#e Mn.ter #a. at#ered .o far t#ere #a!e been a

n%'ber of o.t. on a !aret of .oca$ 'eda

6#e notce of arre.t deta$. a o.t on Faceboo9

At ae 30 Mr An.ar #ad a n%'ber of #otora#. of #'.e$f %.n frear'. on #.

Faceboo9 acco%nt a. "e$$ a. a ct%re of a do"nto"n 6oronto ## r.e "t# t#e caton f & on$ #ad

a $aneG

&n t#e Mn.ter2. !e" Mr An.ar2. #.tor deta$. t#at #e . !er c$ear$ a daner to t#e

%b$c

&t . ba.ed on t#e.e concern. t#at t#e Mn.ter2. o.ton . t#at detenton . nece..ar n t#.

ca.e n reard. to not on$ t#e 58(1)(c) fndn. of t#e co%rt t#at re$ea.e "o%$d be contrar to t#e

ob and . !en %nt$ 'd No!e'ber


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Fo$$o"n #. .%b'..on. t#. ca.e "$$ be re!e"ed b a Mn.ter2. De$eate "#c# . done

$oca$$ no" on a rort ba.. .nce t#e de$eaton. #a!e c#aned t#. no $oner oe. to o%r natona$

#ead/%arter.

6#e Mn.ter antcate. t#at a fna$ d.o.ton of t#e referra$ "$$ be 'ade n !er .#ort

order

&f t#e ca.e contn%e. to be referred to an ad'..b$t #earn t#. ca.e "$$ be !en rort

of co%r.e f Mr An.ar re'an. n detenton

A$$ t#. . to .a t#at at t#e re.ent t'e t#e Mn.ter2. o.ton . t#at t#ere . no rea.on to

be$e!e t#at f%t%re detenton "$$ be $ent# and t#at t#at f%t%re $ent# of detenton "o%$d o%t"e#

t#e !er .ero%. concern. n t#. ca.e

6#an9 o%

MEMBER: No"* can o% e$aborate a bt 'ore on t#e rea.on. o% are .ee9n detenton

%nder 58(1)(c)


So n ter'. of t#e $e.$at!e reference* t#e act .ea9. of t#e Mn.ter ta9n nece..ar .te.

to n/%re nto a rea.onab$e .%.con t#at an nd!d%a$ . nad'..b$e on ro%nd. of n t#. ca.e

.ec%rt

6#e Mn.ter2. o.ton . t#at . e?act$ "#at t#e Aenc . enan n

Fr.t of a$$ t#e te.t n t#e Mn.ter2. !e" for t#. ro%nd . "#et#er t#e .%.con --- t#e

Mn.ter . ta9n t#e nece..ar .te to "#et#er t#. .%.con . rea.onab$e

6#e Mn.ter2. o.ton . t#at /%te c$ear$ fro' t#e $'ted d.c$o.%re a$one and fro' t#e

.%b'..on. t#at #a!e been 'ade t#e .%.con n t#e Mn.ter2. !e" . 'ore t#an rea.onab$e

&t . an n!e.taton t#at . n $ne "t# t#e r'ar ob


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Mr An.ar "a. nter!e"ed on t#e da of #. arre.t t#at & "o%$d .a a c$ear ndcaton of t#e

contn%ed n!e.taton

So* a$.o a. & .tated t#ere are a n%'ber of ece. of e$ectronc 'eda t#at t#e Aenc .t$$

need. to o t#ro%#

6#. co%$d n t#e Mn.ter2. !e" re.%$t n f%rt#er reort.

6#ere . a$"a. t#e o..b$t* t . a$.o n t#e Mn.ter2. !e" e?act$ "#at t#e $e.$at!e

ntent .

So a$t#o%# t#e reort. are "rtten "#at t#e Mn.ter . re.ectf%$$ .%b'ttn . t#at t#e

n!e.taton #a. n fact not conc$%ded* and a. .tated re!o%.$ Mr An.ar e!en #a. t#e oort%nt

to 'a9e .%b'..on.

&t . %nc$ear "#at t#o.e .%b'..on. "$$ be* t#e co%$d be of no .%b.tance to t#e

n!e.taton or t#e co%$d be ntera$* t . %n9no"n at t#. ont n t'e "#at Mr An.ar "$$ te$$ t#e

Aenc and "#ere t#at "$$ $ead

So* t . on t#at ba.. t#at t#e Mn.ter "o%$d .%b't t#at t#. ro%nd a$.o a$e. aart fro'

t#e t"o ot#er .tat%tor ro%nd.

MEMBER: 6#an9 o%

,o%n.e$

COUNSEL: e$$* a $ot of "#at t#e Mn.ter .ad co'e. n t#e '?t%re of t#e d.c$o.%re

t#at #a!e been ro!ded and t#ere . a $ot of nfor'aton t#at t#e Mn.ter #a. ro!ded at t#. ontt#at & rea$$ do not #a!e

Mn.ter #a. ndcated t#ere . an onon n!e.taton* & #a!e a n%'ber of concern. at t#.

ont before & t#n9 Mr An.ar . on to be n a o.ton to be ab$e to addre.. t#. #earn

And one of t#e' . ' frend ta9e. t#e o.ton abo%t t#e onon n!e.taton

S#e .a. t . on to be not $ent#* & do not 9no" #o"* "#en* "#ere "e are on to be

ettn t#at d.c$o.%re and to "#at e?tend ' frend ntend. to rod%ce t#at f .#e . on to re$ on

t#e' n t#. #earn

6#ere . c$arfcaton. t#at & re/%re a. far a. Mr An.ar2. o.ton toda* "e do not #a!e t#ebond.er.on. nece..ar or --- "e are not n a o.ton to roceed for"ard toda* b%t certan$ "e

re/%re a c$arfcaton for a $ot of t#n. t#at ' frend #a. .ad .o t#at "e can 'o!e for"ard n a

'ore rod%ct!e fa.#on "#en "e are bac9 #ere

& %nder.tand 'o.t of t#. co''ence fro' t#e orna$ a$$eaton. "t# re.ect to t#e frear'.

and ' frend & be$e!e #a. conceded t#at t#at 'atter re.%$ted n a condtona$ d.c#are


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And* &


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MEMBER: U#-#%#

COUNSEL: And & t#n9 n order for 'e to be arorate$ dea$ "t# t#.* !en t#at "e

do not #a!e t#e bond.er.on and .o on* ' fr.t n.tnct "a. to #a!e t#. 'atter --- & 9no" o% #a!e

to 'a9e a dec.on b%t "e are not n a o.ton to addre.. a$$ of t#e concern. t#at t#e Mn.ter #a!e

& do "ant .o'e of t#e d.c$o.%re t#at t#e Mn.ter . ta$9n abo%t to be ab$e to arorate$and acc%rate$ addre.. t#e.e ..%e.

O%r reference "o%$d #a!e been to %t t#. o!er to abo%t --- and & can ro!de a date t#at &

a' a!a$ab$e* and & t#n9

MEMBER: O9a

& "o%$d not %t t#. o!er beca%.e of t#e .tat%tor re/%re'ent t#at & cond%ct t#. #earn and

& a$.o a' re/%red to !e a dec.on reardn "#at . .%b'tted to 'e toda

So f o% are not reared to addre.. t#e --- a$$ of t#e ..%e. t#en & "$$ .'$ re$ on "#at &

#a!e been re.ented "t# to co'e to ' dec.on

COUNSEL: So

MEMBER: And o% are a"are of co%r.e t#at f o%r c$ent doe. re'an n c%.tod* #e

et. anot#er re!e" n 7 da.

COUNSEL: Ab.o$%te$

And "#at "e "$$ do . "e "$$ ro!de t#at 'atera$ (na%db$e) and & "anted to be a 'oreoran>ed (na%db$e) aroac# and robab$ "$$ #a!e a bnder for o%r --- robab$ 00 to 300

ae. of doc%'ent. & #a!e a$read at#ered toet#er and t#ere . nfor'aton t#at & re/%re fro' t#e

Mn.ter .o t#at "e can #a!e a 'ore nfor'ed o.ton

& arecate t#at t#e #a!e ndcated t#e re/%re an onon n!e.taton* & "o%$d $9e to

9no" --- and & #a!e dea$t "t# a n%'ber of t#e.e 'atter. n t#e a.t and t#e n!e.taton oe. on for

ear. and ear.

So "#at . t#e t'e$ne M frend .a.* $oo9* & a' on to ro!de or & a' --- & .a" '

frend f$n t#ro%# a n%'ber of #otora#. t#at .#e #ad n #er #and.* & #a!e not been ro!ded

"t# t#o.e* & do not 9no" "#en & --- "#en ' frend e?ect. to !e 'e t#o.e

& certan$ "o%$d $9e t#at b%t & t#n9 t#e conceton. t#at & #a!e --- one t#n a$.o* t#ere "a.

one oran>aton ' frend 'entoned* and &


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So "#at . t#at oran>aton and "#ere doe. t#e Mn.ter et t#at nfor'aton

MEMBER: So f & %nder.tand o%r o.ton toda . t#at o% are not reared to %t

for"ard an ar%'ent for o%r c$ent2. re$ea.e

COUNSEL: :e.

MEMBER: O9a

COUNSEL: Not at t#. ont

& "o%$d $9e to #a!e a 'ore co're#en.!e %nder.tandn* a $ot of .t%ff "#at ' frend #a.

.ad toda . not fro' t#e --- t#e 31 ae. t#at & "a. ro!ded

& "o%$d $9e to et .o'e 'ore nfor'aton and be n a 'ore nfor'ed o.ton to be ab$e to

bot# #a!e a far and rea.onab$e #earn

MEMBER: &. t#ere ant#n e$.e o% ".# to .a n reard to t#e Mn.ter2. .%b'..on

at t#. t'e

COUNSEL: &


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COUNSEL: And t#e re.t of t#e nfor'aton t#at ' frend ro!ded toda & #ad not #eard

before* .o t . ne". to 'e

So & "o%$d $9e to 9no" "#ere t#at ca'e fro' and t#en & can dec#er "#et#er & need to

c#a.e t#at do"n f%rt#er or f t#at . t#e e?tent "#c# t#e 'e'ber #a. to re!e" and "#at do & #a!e to

(na%db$e)

MEMBER: #at & --- "#at & a' ba.n ' dec.on on . e?act$ "#at & #a!e #eard* & do

not #a!e ant#n 'ore t#an o% #a!e

COUNSEL: R#t

MEMBER: And .o t#. . "#at & a' re$n on for ' dec.on

COUNSEL: A$$ r#t

So* t#e nfor'aton t#at . ro!ded b t#e Mn.ter* & arecate .o'e of t . doc%'ented b%t

'o.t of t t#en


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MEMBER: O9a

&f o% #a!e not#n .ecfc to addre.. at t#. t'e reardn t#e .%b'..on. of t#e

Mn.ter2. co%n.e$* and t#at . "#at & a' %nder.tandn

COUNSEL: :e.

MEMBER: 6#en "#at & "$$ do at t#. ont --- one .econd* dd o% #a!e an re$

MINISTERS COUNSEL= &


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HEARING RESUMED

MEMBER: O9a

e are bac9 on t#e record* a$$ t#e .a'e arte. are re.ent

DECISION

MEMBER: Mr An.ar* & can !e o% ' dec.on

6#e Mn.ter . .ee9n o%r contn%ed detenton on t#ree .tat%tor ro%nd.

6#e are ta9n t#e o.ton t#at o% are a f$#t r.9* t#at o% are a daner to t#e %b$c and

t#at o% are a .ec%rt r.9

And* t#e nfor'aton t#at & #a!e been ro!ded "t# toda t#at o% are not a ,anadan ct>en

b%t t#at o% are a er'anent re.dent of ,anada and o% #a!e been .nce No!e'ber 7* 007

:o% are t#erefore .t$$ .%b


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6#e nfor'aton ro!ded to 'e toda . t#at o% beca'e a er.on of ntere.t to t#e

&nterated Natona$ Sec%rt ;nforce'ent 6ea' %on o%r arre.t on a n%'ber of frear'. offence.

&t "a. at t#at t'e t#at a t#%'b dr!e "a. d.co!ered t#at contaned !aro%. nfor'aton

re$atn to radca$ &.$a'

6#e Mn.ter . .ee9n o%r detenton toda a. a re.%$t %nder .ecton 58(1)(c)

6#at .ecton .tate. t#at t#e Mn.ter . ta9n nece..ar .te. to n/%re nto a rea.onab$e

.%.con t#at o% are nad'..b$e on ro%nd. of .ec%rt* !o$atn #%'an or nternatona$ r#t.*

.ero%. cr'na$t* cr'na$t* oran>ed cr'na$t and .ecfca$$ n o%r ca.e .ec%rt concern

&n addton to t#e nta$ d.co!ere. on t#e t#%'bna$ dr!e t#e Mn.ter ont. to nfor'aton

t#at o% are re.on.b$e for creatn and 'antann t#e offca$. 'eda "eb.te of a ro% ca$$ed

A#$e S%nnat a$ a'aat* "#c# t#e Mn.ter 'antan. . a '$tant ro% t#at #a. enaed n act. of

terror.' and "#c# #a. te. to ot#er '$tant ro%.* a$.o acc%.ed of enan n act. of terror.'

6#e f%rt#er ont to t#e fact t#at o% #a!e recent$ on t"o occa.on. tra!e$$ed bac9 to

a9.tan .nce beco'n a er'anent re.dent

6#e ont to o% #a!n a #.tor of a'a..n a rat#er $are n%'ber of frear'. and t#e

ont to o% #a!n %b$c$ e?re..ed certan '$tant ont. of !e"

6#er o.ton . t#at t#e c%'%$at!e effect of t#e.e crc%'.tance. #a. $ed t#e ,anada Border

Ser!ce. Aenc to reort o% for nad'..b$t and to contn%e to n!e.tate t#er .ec%rtconcern.

6#e Mn.ter2. .%.con t#at o% are nad'..b$e on .ec%rt ro%nd. . not n ' !e"%nrea.onab$e

Mn.ter --- t#e Mn.ter2. ntended .te. at t#e re.ent are to e?a'ne and re!e" e$ectronc

'eda "#c# . a contn%aton of t#e nta$ n!e.taton t#at "a. %nderta9en b &nterated Natona$

Sec%rt ;nforce'ent 6ea'

#en ro%nd. for detenton %nder 58(1)(c) are ar%ed t#e federa$ co%rt #a. .tated t#at t .

not t#e ro$e of t#e &''raton and Ref%ee Board to dctate #o" t#e Mn.ter2. onon

n!e.taton .#o%$d be cond%cted

6#e Mn.ter . entt$ed to a rea.onab$e t'e to co'$ete t#e ad'..b$t n!e.taton

6#e /%e.ton t#at '%.t be an."ered b t#e 'e'ber . not "#et#er t#e e!dence re$ed %on

b t#e Mn.ter . tr%e or co'e$$n b%t "#et#er t#at e!dence . rea.onab$ caab$e of .%ortn

t#e Mn.ter2. .%.con of otenta$ nad'..b$t

&t . for t#e Mn.ter to decde "#at f%rt#er n!e.tator .te. are needed


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6#e 'e'ber2. .%er!.or


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No" t#. roce.. . n t#e ear$ .tae.* t#. . on$ o%r fr.t detenton re!e"* t . dffc%$t at

t#. t'e to deter'ne t#e o..b$t of otenta$ f%t%re detenton

& #a!e no rea.on at t#. to conc$%de t#at o%r f%t%re detenton . $9e$ to be %nd%$ $ent# or

t#at t#ere are --- t#at t#ere "o%$d be an concern. t#at o% are ad'..b$t #earn "o%$d not

roceed n a t'e$ fa.#on

So* t#e ..%e of f%t%re detenton . not one at t#. t'e t#at n ' !e" n and of t.e$f

"arrant. o%r re$ea.e artc%$ar$ n $#t of a$$ of t#e ot#er concern. "t# re.ect to f$#t r.9*

daner and .ec%rt

So for a$$ of t#e.e rea.on. Mr An.ar & a' ordern o%r contn%ed detenton toda

:o% "$$ #a!e anot#er re!e" of t#e rea.on. for o%r detenton* t "o%$d nor'a$$ be a "ee9

fro' toda

,o%n.e$* o% #a!e ndcated t#at o% "o%$d $9e a $tt$e f$e?b$t "t# t#at "t# o%r

a!a$ab$e date

COUNSEL: :e.

& t#n9 art of t#at . on to be

MEMBER: et %.


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