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Episode120:AReal-LifeApproachtoReducing

EMFswithDr.LibbyDarnell


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Katie:HelloandwelcometotheHealthyMomsPodcast.I'mKatiefromwellnessmama.comandI'mreallypumpedabouttoday'sepisodebecauseit'swithsomeoneIgotthechancetomeetinpersonrecentlybuthadalreadyfoundherworkthroughmyownresearch.Dr.LibbyDarnellistheFounderofRevivedLivingandshe'sthecreatoroftheRevivedLifeProgram.She'saFunctionalMedicinePractitioner,aDoctorofChiropractic.Shehasadorablechildrenandshe'swrittenherownnutritionprograms,taughthundredsofoneononeworkshops.Shewasevennamedoneofthetop10chiropractorsinIllinois.AndI'mreallyexcitedtogodeeponEMFswithhertodaybecauseIthinkthisisahugegrowingissueinoursocietyandnotenoughpeoplearetalkingaboutit.Andshe'sgonnamentionresourcesaswetalkbutalsoyoucanfindonhersite,revivedliving.com/emf,shehassomeresourcestogetyoustarted,but,Libby,welcome,andthanksforbeinghere.Libby:ThankssomuchKatieforhavingme.I'msoexcitedforallofyourlisteners.Thisisgonnabeawesome.Katie:ItisandIthinkyou'reraisingawareness,likeIsaid,aboutsuchabigissuebecauseformeI...earlierthisyear,IspentsometimeinSwitzerlandandIwasatafunctionalmedicineclinicthere,theycallitIthinkbiologicalmedicinethere.AndtherewerepeopletherewhocalledthemselvesEMFrefugeesessentially,orthere,theycallitElectrosmogRefugeeswheretheywerereactingtoEMFstosuchastrongdegreethattheyhadtogoaplacewheretheyweremuchlowerlevelstobeabletofunction.Infact,oneofthemwashavinggrandmalseizuresfromexposure.Sothatreallydrovehomeformethatthisisabigissue.Thisis...it'seasytodismissbecausewecan'tseetheEMFsandwecan'tlikenecessarilyunlesswe'retothatlevel,feeltheeffectonourbodiesbutitseemslikethereisareallyrealeffect.SoIthinklet'sstartatthebeginning.CanyoukindofgiveusaprimerofdefiningwhatareEMFs?Libby:Yeah,absolutely.Sotheyare...soEMFstandsforelectromagneticfrequencyandit'salsoreferredtoas


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EMRorelectromagneticradiation.Andessentially,that'sgonnabeanyformofelectronicfrequencythatisatafrequencydifferentthanourown.Sotobackthatupabit,youandIandeverylivingthing,everyplant,everyanimal,wehave,sincethedawnoftime,wehavevibratedatspecificfrequencies.Youknow,andyouandIactuallyhaveafriendofoursrightnowwho'spromotingabookallonthattopic,allonvibing.And,youknow,ourvibrationalfrequenciesandkindofhoninginonthatandrealistically,that'sexactlyhowwe'redesignedtoliveanddesignedtofunction.Andthenrelativelyrecently,likeahundredyearsago,wedevelopedelectricitywhichisaverydifferentfrequencythanwhatourbodiesaremeanttobeexposedto.Soifweweretotrack,andthere'sactuallyabookcalled"DirtyElectricity,"andagain,youknow,forthelisteners,theydon'thavetowriteanythingdown,I'mgonnagiveyoualltheseinformationandalltheseresources.Sojustconcentrateonlistening.Ifyou'redriving,don'tworryabouttryingtorememberanythingbutthereisabookthatactuallyas...ittrackedastheintroductionofelectricitygrewfromcitiesouttofarmcountriesinAmerica,theytrackedincreasedincidentsofsuicides,diabetes,cancersanditallcoincidedperfectly.Andsoreally,thatkindofjustshowsusaswe'reexposedtothesethings,we’reinthiskindofsocialexperimentrightnowwhereourtechnologyadvancessomuchfasterthanoursafetystudies.Andsoattheendoftheday,whenyouthinkofanyformofelectromagneticfrequencyandlet'sjusttakeoneexample,let'stakeacellphone.Soeverybodyhasacellphone,youmightevenbelisteningtothispodcastrightnowonacellphone.Andsothatdevicesendsoutafrequencyintothesurroundingenvironmentthat'satadifferentfrequencythanwhatourbodiesareusedto.Andjustlikeanything,ifwe'reexposedforashortperiodoftime,ourbodiesaredesignedtoheal.Youknow,wegeta...wefalldown,wegetascrapeonourknee,afteracoupleofdays,youknow,rightback,rightasrain.Butthinkaboutourcurrentenvironmentespeciallyifyou'reinAmerica,youknow,mostpeopleareprobablylisteningtothiswhilesurroundedbywirelessevenatwork,athomeorsometimeseveninourcaris,youknow,our4Ghotspots.Thenwehaveourphonethat'sadaptedtowirelessandalsointransmittingdata,andthenwehavegotdirtyelectricitythatI'llgetintoandwemightbewalkingbyourrefrigeratormotor.Youknow,there'sjustsomanythingsgoingonthatweareconstantly,constantlybombardedbythis.Andthewaythatthatworks,youknow,studyshowthatprobablyathirdofpeoplearesensitivetotheseforeignfrequencies.Andmy,youknow,mytheoryonthatand,again,attheendoftheday,it'satheoryisthatthosearethepeoplethataregonnafeelit.Itdoesn'tnecessarilymeanit'snotaffectingyou.Youknow,thereareaboutathirdofpeoplearegonnagetsymptoms,solikewhenyoumentionedinSwitzerland,thosearethepeoplethataregettingrealsymptomsandfeelitandthat'sexactlywhatIwentthroughbutIthinkattheendoftheday,it'saffectingusnomatterwhat.Sothewholepurposeof,youknow,youandItalkingtodayistobringlighttothetopiclikeyousaidandthenalsogivepeoplesomerealsimplethingsthatyoucandojusttoreduceyourownexposure.SoIdon'texpectpeopletobeperfect.Youknow,it'sjustliketalkingaboutnutrition.Ifwesathereandtalkedaboutalistofeverysinglebadfoodtoavoid,peoplewouldbelefttotallyoverwhelmedwonderingwhatintheworldaretheygonnaeatatall.Soattheendoftheday,whenyougetmyEMFActionStepwhichisatrevivedliving.com/emf,that'swhereyou'regonnabeabletosee,okay,here'salistandhere'showIcangetstarted.Andsoyou'rejustgonnacrossonethingoffatatimeanddoitinareasonablemanner.

Sotobackup,yes,we'vegottheseforeignfrequenciesandnowwhathappenstoourbodiesisthatvibrationalfrequencythatwe'renotexposedtousuallyendsupthrowingoffourcells.Sowe'vegotlike72trillioncellsin


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ourbodyandsoforthenerdsoutthere,I'mgonnagivethemareally,veryshortlittlerundownofhowthisworksandforeverybodyelse,youcanjustunderstandthatyes,it'sdocumented,there'satonofresearchonthistopic.Butwehave,ifyourememberbackincellbiologyinhighschool,we'vegotelectrons,protons,neutrons,andwehavesomethinginourcellscalledphotons.Andessentially,theyjustkeepourcellsorganized.Theytelleverythingwhattodo,wheretobeinasenseofspaceandtimeandthoseforeignfrequenciescreatechaos.Soyoucanthinkoftheorchestratorofourbodyjustbeingthrownoff.Sohere'sanorchestratryingtoplayandithasnoconductor.Sothat'sessentiallywhathappenstousandsothereasonthatImentionedthatisbecauseifyouthinkonacellularlevel,ifwearebeingbombardedbythesefrequencies,thatiswhypeoplecanhaveawholerangeofsymptoms.Youknow,it'ssohardtodiagnoseelectromagneticfrequencysensitivityalsoknownasEHS.There'sso...youcanbediagnosedwithsomanythingsbeforeyouactuallyfigureoutwhat'sgoingonwithyou.Soforthatreason,likethosepeopleinSwitzerlandthatyoumet,it'sprettyincrediblethattheyfiguredouttheproblem.AndIcantellalittlebitaboutwhathappenedtomeandthenjustbecauseit'llhelppeopleunderstandthatitcanhappentoanybodyreally.Butessentially,I...soIownanintegratedmedicalofficeintheChicagolandareaandIwasworking,youknow,12hoursadaylikesomanyotherentrepreneursandIlovedit.Youknow,Ilovemyjob.Ithinkit'swonderful.AndIstartedusingamachinecalledtheBiomeridian,haveyoueverheardofthat,Biomeridian?Katie:I'veheardofit,yeah.Libby:Yes,Soit'sanawesometool,it'sanoninvasivewayoftestingviaacupressurepointsforchemicalandfoodsensitivities,anyvaccinedamage,any,youknow,anything.AndsoIwasdoingthat.WhenIstarteddoingit,Iwassoexcitedaboutit.Iwasactuallytheonetestingpeople.AndIwasdoingthatfor12hoursadayandit'satotallysafedevicetogettestedonbutitdoesputoutalittlebitoffrequencytowardsthepersonwhoisthetester.Andallofasudden...Imean,itwasanimmediateonsetwhenIstarteddoingthisthatIhadextremefatigueandmypersonalitystartedtochange.Youknow,I'mahealthandhappinesscoachandI,youknow,IkindofteachpeoplehowtousetoolstobecomehappierandIwasangryandIwasfrustratedandIwasnewlymarriedandmyhusbandwaslookingatmegoing,"Whoisthis?"AndI'dcomehomefromworkandIjustgetinbed,fallasleepandIwouldbegrudginglygetoutofbedthenextdayaftersleepingforaslongasIpossiblycould.AndI'dbeenoneofthosepeoplethat,youknow,myalarmwentoff,Iwasprobablyupbeforeit.Myfeetattheground,youknow,it'sallsunshineandroses.I'mjustthatinternationallypositivepersonandhereIwouldbecomesomewhatofanightmareanditgotsobadtothepointwhereIatonepointlookedtomyhusbandandIsaid,"IthinkI'mprobablygonnastarttohearvoices."IfeltlikeIwaslosingmymind.AndI'mahealthcareprofessional,youknow.I'mheretohelppeopleandsoIjustfeltterriblenotonlythatwasIincapableofdoingwhatIlovetodobutIliterallyfeltlikeIwasgonnahearvoicesandIneededtoeitherbeonpsychotropicdrugsorcommittedorsomething,youknow.Thatwasthenextstepforme.Soforalotofpeopleoutthere,Ithinkhad...ifanybodyoutthereisgoingthroughsomethinglikethatanditiswithoutareasonanditcomesonfromnowhere,pleaseknowthatyeah,therecouldbeanoutsidesourcetothis.AndsoIalwaystellpeoplethatyou'renotgoingcrazy.AndattheendofthedaywhenIstopped,Ifinallyfiguredoutwhatwasgoingonandittookmeawhile,youknow,IcalledeverycolleagueIhad,IcalledeverybodyandIsaid,"Well,what'sgoingon?"And,ofcourse,they'reusingcommonsenseandtheysaid,"Well,whatchanged?"Like,"Oh,right,Istarteddoingthis.""Well,yeah,Libby,youhave...you'resensitivetoEMS.""Oh,okay,I'mnotcrazy,that'sgreat."AndsoIstarteddoingeverythingIcould.Iftherewasaproduct


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outthere,Iboughtit.IfIcouldspendtimedoingsomething,Ididit.Itriedeverything.AndIdidgetmyhealthbackbutthat'swhyIlovetalkingaboutthistopicbecausenotonlydoIwanttospreadawarenessthatyoucanloseyourhealthtothis,Ialsothinkthatthereareamazingthingsyoucandotohelpyourfamilyfromevergettingsickinthefirstplace,reallysimpletools.AndthenIwannahelppeoplethatmightbealreadygoingthroughsomethinglikethis,knowwhatworksandwhatdoesn't,because...justlikeanyindustry,therearealwayspeopleouttherethataremaybegonnaputoutproductsthatdon'tnecessarilyworkandyoucanwastealotofmoneyandtimelikeIdid.Andsothatisabsolutelythegoal.Soifit'sokay,I'dlovetotalkaboutwhatsomeofthosecommonsourcesarethatmostpeopleareexposedto.Soundgood?Katie:Yeah,I'dlovetostartwiththeproblem,andIthinkthat'ssuchanimportantpointyouraisetooaboutlikeobviouslymostpeoplearelisteningontheirphoneandnotjustthat,probablymostpeoplehavetheirphoneattachedtothem24/7.LikeIwasrecentlyatatalkwith,Ithink,about2,500peopleintheroomandthespeakersaidlike,"Whoheredoesnothaveacellphoneonthemrightnow?"Andonepersonraisedtheirhandanditwasbecausetheirshadbeenstolen.Solikethat'stheworldwelivein.SoI'mlikeit'ssogoodthatwe'retalkingaboutthatbecausethisiswhatwe'refacing.Soyeah,absolutely,let'sstartwiththeproblem.Wherearethesourcesofthis?Libby:Yes.So,let'stalkaboutthemostcommonsources.Obviously,yourcellphone.Reallyquickstepthatwecanjustdiveinto,keepingyourcellphoneonairplanemodeasmuchashumanlypossibleisthebestbet.Weliveintherealworldwhereyoudoneedacellphone,likeespeciallyifyou'regonnatravel,youknow?You'regonnauseanUber,whateveritis,likewhere...youknow,wehaveourcellphones,that'sthenatureofsocietyrightnow.Sowiththatsaid,keepitinairplanemodeasmuchaspossible.Theonlythingthat'stransmittedinairplanemodeisGPSsignaleverysooftenbecauseit'smandatedbylaw.Soit'svery,verylowandveryinfrequent.Soifyourphoneisinairplanemode,you'resafe.Now,ifyouhavepeoplethatusetheircellphonesasalarmclocks,keepitinairplanemode,youcanstilluseitasanalarmclock.Thenyoustillhaveyourcalendarwithyou,butagain,nobodyisgonnabeabletocallyou,you'renotgonnareceivetextmessages.Ifyou'reoneofthosepeoplethatyouwanttobeabletobeaccessibletootherpeopleat,youknow,atnightoratwork,keepyourphoneawayfromyouasmuchaspossible.So,youknow,duringmyresearchintothistopic,IworkedwithagentlemannamedDaveStetzer.He'samemberoftheIEEE.He'sanelectricalengineerandhasdevelopedalotoftheproductsthatreallyworkaroundthistopic.SoIEEEjustmeanshe'saboutashighasupasyoucangofromanelectricalengineerstandpoint,andhedoesspeakatmayocliniconthistopicofEMFsandhowwe'recreatingsickpeopleinAmerica.Andheevenhasacellphone,youknow?Andwhathedoesishe'llkeepitonthewindowsillbythewindowinhisofficesothatit'sjustawayfromhisbodyandinthatway,it'snottouchingyou,it'snotnearyou.Sothosearejustrealsimplethingsthatpeoplecandorightoffthebatwhenitcomestotheircellphones.Samethingwithcomputers,asmuchaspossible,keepyourBluetoothoff,keepyourphoneinairplanemodewhereyou'rejustturningoffyourwireless,that'soffasmuchasyoucan,samethingwithyouriPads.Youknow,wirelessnetworkathome,inanidealworld,ifpeoplecouldhardwireeverything,thatwouldbegreat.Iknowthat'snotgonnaberealisticforsomefamiliesespeciallyifthey'vegotdifferentschedules.SoasimplethingthatyoucandoifyouhavewirelessstillathomeistogetaChristmaslighttimer.Youknow,justlikewhereyouuseitwithourChristmaslights,youplugyourChristmaslightsintoanoutlettimer,soyoucanjustgotoHomeDepot,Menards,wherever,andjustgetanoutlettimer.AndI'mgonnaprovidealinktothatforpeopleiftheyjustwannaknowwhatI'mtalkingaboutifthey'veneverusedChristmaslightsbefore,it'sreal


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simple.Butallyou'redoingisyou'repluggingthepowersourceofyourwirelessintothattimersoyousetittogoonandoffandit'sonlyonintimeswhereyouwouldrealisticallyuseit.Soanybodywithchildren,thatisanawesomethingtodobecausekidsaresomuchmoresusceptibletoEMFsjustthewaythatourbodyisdevelopedovertime.Kids,Imean,theydon'thavetohavesymptoms.Iwouldrecommendeverysingleperson,ifyou'vegotchildren,pleaseputyourwirelessonatimersothey'reatleastsleepingthroughthenightwithoutthatexposuretowireless,specificallyoneofthethings,youknow,thatItalkedtoDaveStetzeraboutistheseverityofdifferentsources.Andwe'regonnagetintotalkingaboutelectricitybutwirelessisstilloneofthosebuthealwayssays,"Youknowwhat?Firsttackledirtyelectricity,thengetyourhousehardwired."Sowireless,inthegrandschemeofthings,isaboutamiddleoftheroadoffender.Butitisconstantanditdoes,youknow,everysingleday.AndthenIwannajusttakethatonestepfurtherbecausemostpeoplebynowareprobablythinking,"Well,okay,thenthey'renotexposedatnightbutthentheygotoschoolandthey'vegottheirChromebooksandthey'rearoundwirelessthereandthere'ssomanythingsIcan'tcontrolatschool."Andyourmindcanalmoststartgoingdownthisrabbithole.Andsorightoffthebat,whatI'dliketotellparentsisonlyconcentrateoncontrollingthethingsyouhavecontrolover.Youknow,we'retalkingaboutthingsrightnowthatyou'regonnastartthinking,"Oh,mygosh,it'sall..."Yeah,yes,you'reright.Therearealotofexposures.Controlyourhomeenvironment,justconcentrateonthat.Lettheotherthingsgofornow.Sotakeonestepatatime.Soanothermajorsourcearegonnabedirtyelectricity.SoI'mgonnapopintothatrealquick.WhatthatmeansisourgridsysteminAmericaspecificallyandmostothercountriesissetuponsomethingcalledtheWyesystem.Andattheendoftheday,thatmeansthatourenergycomesfromourgrid.It'ssentthroughawire,itpowersourhomes.Thenitreturnsfromawirebacktothegrid,it'sdesignedtobeanefficientsystem,however,it'snotefficientbecausethereturnwirewhichiscalledtheneutralwire,thereturnwireisn'tthickenoughtoactuallytransmitthatenergybacktothegrid.Andsoforthatreason,whatwe'vedone,whatourenergysystemhasdone,isratherthaninstallingeitherasecondwireorathickerneutralwire,they'vegrounded,soeverysooftenonpowerlines,they'llactuallyhaveametalrodgoingintothegroundwhichallowstheenergyinsteadoftravelingthroughwirestoactuallytravelthroughthegroundandreturnbacktothegridsystembecauseenergyisjustlikewater.It'lltravelfrompointAtopointBinthemostefficientwaypossible.Andsowhatthatmeansiswe'vegotallthisexcessenergythat'sactuallycomingoutintoourenvironmentfromthewiresinourhouse.Soifyou'rewalkingaroundyourhome,therearegonnabespecifichotspotsbasedoffthewiringinyourhomebecauseourenergysystemisnotasefficientasisshouldbe.Now,ifyou'reincountrieslikeGermany,they'reonwhat'scalledaDeltasystem.It'saclosedloopsystem.Whatleavesthegridreturnstothegridandaregivennootheroptions.Sopeoplethattestproducts,alotoftheseEMFproducts,willgotoGermanybecauseit'llactuallylooklikeit'sreally,reallyworkingjustbecausetheydon'thavethesamesourcesofEMFsthatwedoinAmerica.Andsotoelaborateonthedirtyelectricitypiece,whenyou'rehavingthatexcessenergycomeoutintoyourenvironment,youknow,andlet'ssayinyourbedroomorasyou'resittingonyourcoach,there'sareally,reallysimplefixtothis.Partoneisyoutesttoseeifit'sbad,ifit'ssomethingthatyoudoneedtoaddressandyoucandothatwithaprettyinexpensivemeterthatagain,I'mgonnalinkto.It'scalledtheStetzermeter.It'sabouta$100.Youjustplugitintodifferentoutletsinyourhomeandanythingthatmeasuresabove50units,


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youjustneedafilterfor.It'sareallysimplefix.Youplugafilterinandit'sfilteringoutallthedirtyelectricityinthatwiringsystem.SoIalwaystellpeople,agreatactionsteptostartwithisatleasttogetacoupleoffiltersperroomperchildinyourhouse.Andtherearelotsofdifferentfiltersonthemarket.Imean,there'swhole-housefilterswhichIcould...youknow,forthesakeoftime,Idon'twannagetintoanythingthatdoesn'tworkbutIcantellyouthatthere'sspecificreasonswhyIdon'trecommendwhole-housefilters.Theydoreducebutthey'renotgonnaeliminate100%.ButtherearelotsofdifferentthingsoutthereandIdorecommendtheGraham-Stetzerfilterjustbecausethey'rethedevelopers,they'retheengineersthatactuallyfoundasolutiontotheproblemandtheyweretheonesthatinvestedthemillionsandmillionsofdollarsgoingovertoRussiaandfiguringoutallthisresearchtoactuallysolvetheproblem.SoIalwayslikesupportingpeoplethathaveahearttohelpotherpeople.AndsothatisareallysimplefixandIwilltellyouifyou'resomebodywhohasaproblemsleepingatnightoryouwakeupinthemiddleofthenightorI'vebeentoldalot,youknow,withclientswhereIhaven'tputthesein,somepeoplehaveracingheartsatnightandjustoverallinsomnia.Oncetheyputtheirfiltersin,theynoticeahuge,hugedifference.AndIwastalkingtoagentlemaninAustraliawhoheinstallsfilters,actuallytesthomesinAustralia,andhewassaying,"Oh,mygoodness.IfIjustspentmydayshelpingpeoplethatcouldn'tsleep,I'dhaveajobforlife."Youknow,that'skindofoneofthebiggestthingsthatpeoplenoticeoncethatdirtyelectricityisgone.Butifyouthinkaboutit,whenyou'refinallyabletosleep,that'swhenyourbodyheals.Youknow,whenyou'resleepingatnight,that'swhenyournervoussystemcanactuallykickupandreally,reallyheal.Sothat'ssuperimportant.Andour,Katie,ourfriend,Robin,thatwasthefirstthingshetoldmeaftershegotgreen-smoothgirl.Aftersheinstalledherfilter,she'slike,shetextedmethenextdayandwaslike,"Oh,mygoodness,I'msleeping,youknow,that'sthebestnightofsleepI'vehadinyears."Andsoifthat'sonethingpeoplecoulddo,I'dreally,reallyrecommendthat.Sothosearegonnabesomeofthemostcommonsourcesalongwith,now,we'vegotcellphonetowers.Oh,mygoodness,thiswhole5Grollout.We'rereallyinthisexperimentalphaseandI'mreallyworriedthatwiththeintroductionof5G,thatwe'regonnabehavingpeoplegetsickerandsickerandsothat'swhyI'msothankfulthatyou'retalkingaboutthistodaybecauseIjustknowthatwe'regonnareallyhelppeoplewhentheystarttofeelsick,understandwhy.Socellphonetowers,whatI'drecommendthatpeopledoisiftheylivenearacellphonetower,I'mgonnagiveyouresourcesonwhereyoucangotogetsomeshieldingforthatifyoualreadylivethereandespeciallypeoplelike…youandIhadagreatconversationaboutbuildingahomeandyouhavedonealltherightthingstohelpminimizeyourexposure,whichisamazing,forpeoplethatareinthemarketforhomes,makingsurethattherearenovisiblecellphonetowersinyourareaandstayingawayfromtensionwiresor,youknow,bigpowersystemwiresthatrunbyyourhouse,that'swhattheywouldlooklike,Iwouldstayawayfromthoseaswellifpossible.Ifnot,youcanalwaysgetshielding.Soforthoseofyoulisteningthatarelike,"Oh,mygoodness,Ihaveallthesethings."That'sokay,there'safixtothemandI'mgonnasendittoyou.And,oh,mygoodness,Ihavekindofanupsettingstoryaboutsmartmetersbutdoyouhaveasmartmeterinyourhouse?Iassumethatwouldbeano.Katie:Wedon'tbutIknowlike,especiallywithcertainnewhouses,there'snotevenanoptionnow,althoughIthinkIgotthisinformationfromyoubutIcheckedwithourlocalpowercompanyandtheyverifiedthatit's


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thekindthatonlytransmitslikeonceamonthwhentheyactuallyneedtoberead,notconstantly.AndIthinkthere'sthedifferencethere,butifyoucouldexplainthatbecauseIknewwhattocheckbutIdon'tthinkIknowhowtoexplain.Libby:Yeah,thatisawesome.I'msogladthatthatisthecase.SowhatIwouldrecommendthatpeopledoiswhenyougethomeorifyou'realreadyhome,gooutsideandwalkaroundtheperimeterofyourapartment,yourhome,youknow,whateverunitthatyouliveinandyou'relookingforameterthatisreadingtheenergyusageofyourhouse.Now,onceyoufindthatmeterandit'susuallyametalcircle,you'regonnalookonthefrontofitandyou'regonnaseefiveclock-likedevices,justfivelittleclockdialsandthatmeansit'sananalogsystem,it'sanold-schoolsystemandyou'regood.Ifyouseethat,you'redone.Nomoreactionstepsanddoahappydance.Now,ifyouseesomethingthathasadigitalreadingonitsojustlikeadigitalclock,adigitalwristwatch,you'regonnaseesomethingjustlikethatonthefrontofthatmiddlecircle.Thatmeansit'spotentiallyandmostlikelyasmartmeter.Sothenyou'vegotacoupleofactionstepsandthey'reprettysimple.You'regonnacallyourenergycompany,soforme,it'sComEdandyou'regonnaask,"Howisthesignaltransmitted?Wireorwired?"Meaningthroughawireorisittransmittedthroughspacewirelessly.Andyou'regonnagetananswertothat.Fivepercentofthetimeusuallyit'sstillactuallytransmittedviaawirewhichisgreat,thenyou'redone,hangupwiththem.Iftheysayit'stransmittedwirelessly,thenthenextquestionis,howfrequentlyisthatsignaltransmitted.Andsowhatyouwannaknowis,okay,isitonceevery30dayswhichmeansit'sareallyintensesignalbutit'sonlyevery30days.Andyourbody,likewetalkedabout,canrecoverfromsomethinglikethat.Mostlikelyit'shappeningwhileyou'reoutofthehouseanyway.Oritcouldbeasfrequentlyasevery30secondswhichIwould...thenIwoulddefinitelyaskwhatyouropt-outoptionsare.Soinmyarea,IcanstilloptoutandIstillhavethat,andmostpeopleactuallydohavetheabilitytooptout.Soifyoucan,whatthatmeansisthatyou'reprobablygonnabepayingamonthlyfeewhichIthinkmineis$20amonthtohaveanindividualpersoncomeandreadmymeter.SoIstillhavetopayapersontocomereaditandI'mokaywiththatbecauseIthinkofitas,"Hey,Icreatedjobforsomeone.Youknow,they'recomingoutandreadingthemeter,andI'mallrightwiththat."Butifitisevery30seconds,yes,definitely,optoutifyoucanandifnot,there'sareallygreatshieldingmaterialthat'sactuallyindevelopmentinIsraelrightnow.Andsoassoonasthatisavailable,it'sgonnabeontherevivedliving.com/emfpage.SoIupdatethatcontinuously.Andsothat'sagreatthingthatpeoplecanusetoshieldtheirsmartmeter.Andsonotto,youknow,gotoodeepintothattopicbuttheenergycompanyownsthatmeter.Youcan'ttouchthatmeter,that'stheirs.Soyoucanactuallygetintroubleifyoutouchthemeter.Soanyshieldingthatyoucandoandit'sprettybasic,itjusthastobearoundthemeter.Youownthespacearoundthemeter.Ifit'sanapartmentcomplex,youcanaskyoursuperintendenttoshieldthatforyouandthat'sokaytoo.There'snothingwrongwithit.You'renotviolatinganylaws.Youhaveauthorityoverthespacearoundthatmeter.AndIdohaveaquickstoryonthat.SoIhadaclientofminewhomIhadknownforyears.She'sareallyhappyperson.Imean,she'sthisbubblylittlelightofenergyandshecameinonedayandtoldmeshewassuicidal.And,ofcourse,youknowthatthere'ssomethingwrongthere.Youknow,shehadfeltlikeoverChristmasshecompletelylostherhealthandwasthinkingofendingherlifeandshewasnewlyengaged.There'snoreason.There'sno,youknow,physical,emotionalreasonforhertofeelthisway.


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AndIsaid,"Whendiditstart?"Andshepulledouthercalendarandcouldtellmethedaythisstarted.Andfunnyenough,she...Isaid,"Hey,it'sgonnasoundweirdbutcanyougohome,callyourenergycompanyandseeifyouhadasmartmeterinstalledthatday."Andthatwasthedaytheyinstalledasmartmeteranditwasrightbyherbedroomrightbyherhead.Sohereshesleepseighthoursanight.Therewasasmartmeterinchesawayfromherheadtransmittingasignalevery30seconds.And,youknow,there'ssomanystoriesof,therearepeoplethatwillactuallycomeoutandinspectyourhome,forthosepeoplethatknowthatthey,youknow,wantaprofessionaltohelpthemwiththisthathavefound,youknow,whenthereare,youknow,acouplelikeamanandwifethatarebothdiagnosedwithbraincancer,they'llfindthatismostlikelythatthecaseeitherthatortherewasanintenseamountofwiringintheirhomerightthere.Andsoforalotofpeople,theirsmartmetersaren'tgoingtobeanywherenearwherethey'relivingsoIdon'twantpeopletobetoooverlyconcernedaboutthisbutit'sdefinitelysomethingthatyoushoulddiveintoandexplore.Andsoforyou,every30days,that'sfine,youknow?That'stotallyfine,butthosearethestepstotakeforthatandagain,I'mgonnasendthattoyou.Andsomeotherbigexposures,again,wouldberadiotowers.Sowe'vegotcellphonetowersandradiotowersandagain,thosearemoreeasilytestedbysomebodycomingtoyourhomebutasageneralruleofthumb,ifyoucanseeitfromwhereyoulive,there'sgonnabesomeexposure.Soifyou'rereallycurious,youcouldactuallyhaveittestedtoseehowmuchoryoucouldsimplylookatgettingsomeshieldingjustonyourwindowsofthatsideofthehouse,whichiswhatIdid.WhenIhadmyhometested,onepartof...justonesideofthehousereally,itmaxedoutthemachineandIhadnoideawhereitwascomingfromandIcouldbarelyseeitandittookusawhiletofinditbutifwejustlookedthroughthetrees,youcouldseethecellphonetowerthatwaslessthanhalfamileawaybutagain,itwasmaxingoutourmachinesandthat'swhere,whenmysonwasborn,that'swhere,atthatpoint,whenwehadourhometested,that'swhereIwassittingeverydaynursinghim.Andsorightaway,Ijustgotwindowshielding,Ihaditpost-tested,noproblems,nofrequencycomingthroughandthatwasgreat.Andsothenanotherbigexposurearegonnabetheappliancesinourhouse,so,youknow,youthinkaboutifyou'reusingyourelectronicslikeyou'vegotafridgethathasamotorrunningandthethingthatactuallycauses,forthosepeoplethatarecurious,thethingthatcausetheEMFreadingsarewhenyouhearthemotorrunning,it'sdoinganinversionofpower,soit'sactuallytheinverterofanyappliancethatactuallycausesaproblembutforeverybodyelsewhodoesn'thave...wannaworryaboutwhatthatmeans,ifyouhearthemotorrunningoncertaindevicesinyourhouse,that'swhenit'sdoinganexposure.Soyourrefrigeratordoesn'trunallthetime.Youknow,whenyouuseablender,you'reonlyusingitforaveryshortperiodoftime.ButthenwethinkaboutthingslikeourXboxes,likeifyourchildrenareusingelectronicgamingsystems,that'ssomethingwherethere'ssomedefiniteexposuresandreallyquickfixestoo.SolikeaWiisystem,Playstations,aslongasyou'reappropriatelyfiltering,sopluggingthosefiltersinwherethoseappliancesarebeingused,that'sgreat.Onethingthatwasreally,reallyinterestingontestingisthattheXbox,evenifit'sturnedoff,stilltransmitsasignalthatIcanreadthroughthreefloors.Soifyouwere,youknow,inyourbasementusinganXboxandyouwentupstairsinto,youknow,thetopfloorinyourhouse,youcouldstillpickupthatsignal.Isn'tthatcrazy?Katie:Yeah,that'samazingandscary.Libby:Yeah.SowhenIwasatRobin'shouse,Iactuallyshowedherson.Iwaslike,"Okay,youknow,turnyourXboxoff."Andwetestedthat,youknow,Iwasabletoshowhim.SoIsaid,"Okay,nowyouknowonceyou're


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notusingyourXbox,unplugit,that'ssimple.Justunplugit."Totakethatastepfurther,ifyouthinkyourkidswon'tremembertodothat,plugthatXboxintoatimersoit'sonlyonlikeintheeveningswhentheywouldbeusingit.Thatway,youdon'tevenhavetothinkaboutit.Butthat'sareally,reallysimpletoolbut...andIdon'tknowwhythatis.Andit'sjustoneofthosethingsthatIwastalkingtoanothertesterandhesaid,"Yup,thisiswhat'sgoingon.ThisiswhatIjustfound."AndIthought,"Yougottobekidding."AndIranaroundandtesteditandsureenough,everysingleoneofthem,andIdon'tknowwhyandIdon'tknowifit'sjustthenewonesorifit'sjusttheoldonesbutjustingeneral,ifit'sanXbox,unplugit.Anyquestionsonthisstuffsofar?Katie:That'ssuperhelpful.I'vebeenactuallywritingafewfollow-upquestionsbuttogobacktokindofthebeginning,I'vebeencurious.SoyousaidweareontheWyesystem,correct?Libby:Yes.Katie:VersusGermanybeingontheDeltasystem.Libby:Yes.Katie:Soifanyoneisevergoingtobuildahouseorlikedoadrasticremodel,canyouonyourownhomeputabiggerwireout?Likeisthatsomethingyoucanremediateinyourownhome?Libby:Unfortunately,theanswerisnobecausewedon'townthatprocess.Youknow,wecan'ttouchthatpartoftheprocess.Thatbelongstotheenergycompaniessoyouwouldactuallybeliableifyoutrytodothat.Butifyouwerekindoflikeoffthegridandyouownedalotoflandandyouhadlikeanoff-the-gridsetup,well,thenyes.SotherewerealotofpeoplelikethepeoplethatyoumentionedinSwitzerlandthatwillbuildtheirown...youknow,almostlikealittlecommunity,totallyoffthegridandthenyes,theyabsolutelydothat.Butthenthey'realsopayingtousecertainamountsofelectricitythatdoescomefromthegridorthey'recreatingtheirownusingsolarenergywhichthenIwannajustmakeanote,forpeoplethatdohavesolarenergy,trytohavetheactualinversionofthatenergywhichusuallyhappensrightbythepanelsawayfromyourhome.Andthat'ssomething,Katie,youandItalkedaboutbutaslongasit'snothappeninglikeontheroofaboveyourheadwhereitisforsomepeople,thenyou'retotallysafeandthat'sagreatthingtodo.Butno,youandIcan'tjustgotoastandardenergysystemandinstallanextraneutralwireourselves.Unfortunately,it'sjustnotallowed.Katie:Okay.Sothatwouldonlyworklikeonprivateproperty.Libby:Yea.Katie:Oriflikethewireisonlyrunningtoacertainpointandyoucontroltobeonthatsection.Libby:Yeah.Katie:Gotit.


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Libby:Yup,exactly.Katie:Thatmakessense.Well,thethingthat,again,yousaiditbutIwannahammerithomeislikethesethingscansoundsuperscaryandtheyareandweshouldtakethemseriously,butthey'realsofixable.Ithinkthat'stheimportantpoint.Sothesefilters,likeifthoseareusedineveryroomofthehouse,canthosebejustprettymuchpluggedintoeveryoutletandjust...?Libby:Yeah.Katie:LikedoesthatactuallyofferlikeasubstantialdegreeofprotectionalongwiththingslikejustturningofftheWi-Fiandsomelittlethings?Libby:Yeah.Sothat'sanawesomequestion.Sotoelaborateonthat,sotheaveragehomeneedsabout20filtersandsomehomessimplydon'tneedasmanyasotherhomesdoandyoudon'tknowuntilyoutestbutwhatyou'reusingisjustthatStetzerizermeter.Again,it'sthe$100meterandyoujustplugitintooutlets.Youstartinyourchildren'sbedroomsandinyourlivingspaceswhereyouspendthemosttime.Andifyougetareadingthat'sabove50,youjustpluginafilterandthenyou'llnoticethatthatreadingcomesdown.Soyou'llnoticeitrightaway.Asyouproceedthroughyourhome,you'regonnaneedlessandlessfilters.Soasanexample,ifyouboughtameterandyoujustwalkedaroundandtestedallofyouroutlets,everythingisgonnalookhigh.Butasyoustartinstallingfilters,it'sbringingtheexcessenergyfromthedirtyelectricitydownasyougothroughyourhouse.Soifyouweretojustwilly-nillypluginthatmeter,itwouldlooklikeyouwouldliterallyneedtoinstallfiltersineveryoutletwhichthenmeansyouroutletsaren'tusable,butno,you'renotgoingto.Andyou'regonnafindthattherearehotspots.Soforexample,whenIwastestingmyteammembers,Ijust,youknow,I...well,theyknowthatItalkaboutthisstuffallthetime.IjustshowedupattheirhousewithalloftheequipmentandIjusttestedandinstalledfilterswheretheyneeded.Andtheyweregreataboutit,theyweresuchgoodspots,buttheyhadcertainhotspots.Soforexampleinmynutritionist'shouse,rightwhereshestandsandshe'sournutritionist,sosheisinherkitchenallthetime.Rightwheresheisstandinginherkitchenwasthehottestspotinherhouseanditmaxedoutthemachine.Itmaxedoutthemeter.Itwasover2,000unitsandwillonlyreadupto2,000.Andso,okay,weknewrightawaysheneededtwofiltersandwejustgotalittlethree-prongoutlet,they'recalledoutlettapbutalittlethree-prongdividerwhichcostsabouta$1.50atHomeDepot.Inthatway,shestillhasaccess,youknow,toallofheroutletsbutshe'sbroughtthatreadingway,waydownintonon-biologicallyactivelevels.Andthensomyassistant,Alison,whenItestedherhome,itwasherchildren'sbathroomsthatwerereallyhigh,justonespecificbathroombutitwasmaxedoutandthat'swherethey'restandingandthey'reusingtheirhairdryerswhichofcoursethey'regonnapullalittlebitmoreenergy.Andsoagain,sheneededtwofiltersinthereanditbroughtitcompletelydown.Sotheamountthatyouneedisdependentontestingbuttheaveragehomeneeds20filters.Andmyhouse,Imean,keepinmindIwassupersickandwehadjustmovedintothathousemaybeayearbeforeIgotsick,soI'msureitwasabuildupbutmyhouse,becauseitwassobad,needed60filtersandthatisnotnormal.Youknow,thatisnotanormalnumbertoneed.Butnow,youknow,fast-forward,acoupleofmonthslaterwhenIwaspregnantwithmyson,Ihadthispeaceofmindknowingthat,"Oh,mygosh,I'mnotbringingthislittlesmallchildintoanenvironmentthatwassotoxic."Youknow,we'resousedtotalkingaboutourhomesbeingtoxicfromachemicalstandpoint,youknow,we


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useharshcleanersand,youknow,wecouldhaveamoldexposure,youknow,whatever.Butwedon'tgenerallythinkabouttheelectricitytoxicitythatcomesintoplay.Soforallthosemomsouttherethatarethinkingaboutthis,it'slike,"Oh,mygosh,you'vemadeallthesewonderfulchanges."Andthisisjustanextrathingthatyoucandoforpeaceofmindthatyou'regonnanoticeabigdifferencewithyourchildren.Katie:Yeah.Andanythingthat'skindofhelpswithimprovingsleep,Ithinkmostmomsarelike,"Signmeup."

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Katie:AndsoI'veresearchedthesefiltersandjusttoclarify,sothedesignI'mrememberinginmyhead,theyplugintolikeoneoutlet,they'renotlikeadoubleplug.Socouldyoulikeputoneinthebottomplugonanoutletandstillusethetopplugforinstance?Libby:ohYeah,yup.Katie:Sotheycaneasilyuseprettymuchanyoutletaslongasyou'renotoverloading?Libby:Yes.Andyou...onethingIwannatellpeoplebecauseIdogetthisquestion.They'llplugafilterinandthey'llhearabuzzandthat'swhenthatfilter,there'sactuallywaytoo...it'salmostatcapacityandyouhavetoplugintwo.Andsomybathroomisoneofthose.Ipluggedmyfilterinanditwaslike,"Ohmygoodness,"butitwasthehighestpointinmyhouse.SoitwasoverloadingthatfiltersoIpluggedtwoinandIgotanoutletsplittersoIstillhaveuseofanditactuallyaddedanextraoutletsonowIhadthreeoutletsinsteadoftwobutnowthatbuzzingwasgoneandthereadingwasbelow30.Butitwentfromagainabove2,000tobelow30.Katie:Okay,sothereisapluginthefilteraswell.Soyou'relikeplugginginintoanoutletandyoucanstillplugsomethingelseintoit?Libby:Yeah.Unfortunately,therearen't.SotheonesinAustraliahaveapluginthefilteritselfbuttheonesin


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Americadon't,yeah.Soifyou'reonlineandyouevercomeacrossoneswithapluginthem,they'redesignedtoworkonadifferentenergysystemthatlikewetalkedabout.There'stheDeltasystemandtheWyesystem,sothey'rejusttwodifferentfilters.Thesamedeveloperbutdesignedfortwodifferentenergysystems.Butthat'sagreatquestion.Katie:Gotit.Soyoucan,inmostcases,youcanjustplugitintolikethebottomplugforinstanceandyouuselikethetopplugoruseasplitteronthetopplugaslongasthatgetsdowntoagoodlevel.Libby:Yup,absolutely.Andagain,thosesplittersarelikea$1.50andIboughtminebecauseI'mtoolazytogoto...Ihatedriving.It'slikemyleastfavoritethingtodo.IjustgotonAmazonandboughtabunchofthemandsothatwasaquickfixformesoIdidn'tloseanyofmyoutlets.Katie:Yeah.That'ssmart.Greatidea.Cool.Let'ssee,I'mlookingthroughmyother...sothewindowshields.That'salsoagreatthingtoknowbecauseIthinklikevirtuallywhenIstartedresearchingit,Iwaslike,"Oh,gosh."Soifyouhaveoutsideexposures,youhavetoshieldyourentire...likethatentirepartofyourhouseandthatwasgreattohearfromyouthatit'sreallyjustthewindowthatyouneedtofocusonmostofthetime.Libby:Yeah,absolutely.AndIlearnedthatjustfromactuallyseeingitimplementedinlivetesting.SoIwasalready...Iwastoldthatand,youknow,it'salwaysnicetobetoldsomethingandthenit'sgreattoactuallyseeitwhenit'sbeingtested.Soassoonaswegotthewindowshieldingandthey,youknow,theymakedifferentversions.Sothere'sthetotallysee-throughonesthatyouwouldn'tevenknow.It'skindoflikeascreen,likeyourdoorscreen,soyoustillseethroughit.Butit'sfilteringthatoutandthatworkeda100%andthat'soneofthereasonsthatI,youknow,aftertalkingaboutthissolong,IfinallycreatedlikeoneplacewithalltheproductsthatIknow100%workbecauseit'ssohardtoknow.Youknow,there'ssomanydifferentshieldingoptionsoutthereandit'ssohardtoknow,youknow,yourcommonsenseislike,"Well,letmebuytheleastexpensiveoption."ButthenwhenIdidthat,itdidn'twork.I'mlike,"Oh,mygoodness."Youknow,sothat'swhyItrytohelppeopleasmuchasIcaninthatrealmbutyeah,youwillonlyreallyneedtoshieldyourwindowsandthatisthebig...becauseitjustcomesrightthroughyourwindowsbutithasareallyhardtimecomingthroughyourdrywallandyourconcreteandtheframingofyourhouse,thesidingofyourhouse.Soit'snot...thatisnotgonnabenearlyasmuchofaconcern.Katie:Thatmakessense.SoIknowthisonewon'tapplytoalotofpeoplealthoughIhavegottenasurprisingnumberofquestionsfrompeoplelatelywhoaredoingremodelsontheirhomeforanotherreasonandthey'relike,"WhatdoIneedtoknowfromthehealthside?AretherematerialsthatIshouldorshouldn'tuse?"SoI'vebeenresearchingthatmyselfandI'mhappytosharebutIthinkEMFsareabigquestionthereaswell.SoI'dlovetohearjustfromlikeahomeperspective,ifsomeone'severgoingtoremodelorbuildahome,likearetherestructuralthingstheycoulddoorlikejustseeingthingstheycanbuildinkindoffromthebeginning?Andhopefully,thesearethingsthatwillbeimplementedbybuilder'sovertimeifenoughofusrequestit.Youknow,I'mhopingthatthatcanchangegoingforward.Libby:Yeah.And,youknow,it'sfunnybecauseonthattopic,I'vegotaclientwhoshedoesresidentialwiringinhomes,that'sherjob.SoItalktoheraboutthis.Shehadnoidea.Youknow,likethisisnotsomethingthat'stalkedaboutinthatindustry.Sounfortunately,asofrightnow,whenyougetyourhomewired,youdon'thavealotofoptions.Asfarasmakingit100%safe,you'rejustgonnaneedtoinstallsomefiltersbecauseagain,theproblemisn'twiththewiring,theproblemiswithourenergysystem.Sowe'vejust...we'reusingafiltertosolvetheenergysystemsproblem.Soyou'restillgonnaneedtogetfilters.However,somequick


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thingsthatyoucandofromyourhomeperspectiveismakesurewhenyou'relookingat...andI'lltalkaboutwhy,butwhenyoulook...whenyougodowninyourbasementandyoulookatyourwaterintakeintoyourhome,asimplethingthatyoucandoispayaplumberforanhour'sworthoflabortotakeoutpartofthemetalpipingrightafteryourwaterintakeandreplacethatwithPVC.Andthereasonthatyou'redoingthatisyou'redisruptingtheelectriccurrentthatcomesinthroughyourwaterintakeinyourhome.Andthatwillapplyto,andthisisaguess,butit'sprobablygonnaapplytoabout70%ofpeoplebecauseI'veseensomepeoplewheretheydon'thavegrounding,currentcominginthroughtheirhomeandsomepeoplewheretheydo.Soforme,IcouldtestitonmyhomeandwhenItouchedmybathroomkitchenfaucet,Iwasactuallygetting,andIhookedmyselfuptoanEMGreader,Iwasactuallygettingthecurrenttravelingthroughmybody.Soitwastravelingupmyarmandthenthewayourarmisdesigned,youknow,we'vegotstriatedmusclefibers.Theykindofrunlikelittleroadworksbutthenwhenitgetstoourchestarea,that'swherethemusclesstartstodissipateandit'salmostkindoflikeaspiderweb.Sotheenergywillactuallyrunthroughyourfingertips,throughyourarmanditdissipatesinourchest.Andsolet'stakethatastepfurther.Wesee,youknow,alotofincidentsofbreastcancerontherisebutthatis,ontesting,wherethatenergystopsandisabsorbedinyoursystem.AndsoittookliterallyhalfanhourforhimtoswitchoutapieceofmetalpipingforPVCandwhenIpost-testedit,there'snothingthere.There'snothingrunning.Soeverytimeyoutouchyourkitchensink,yourshowerfaucet,yourbathtub,youknow,allofthat,thenyou'renixingthat.Sothat's,ifIwerebuildinganewhomeorthatcouldbeagreatthingforanybodytoimplementreally,that'sareallyexcellentactionpoint.Now,Iwannamakeacaveattothat.Bybuildingstandardcodes,whenyougotosellyourhome,thereisariskthatyoumighthavetoswitchitback.Again,itwilltakelikehalfanhouroftheplumber'stime.AndIdon'teventhinkanybodywouldevencatchitbutIwastoldthatwhenIhaditinstalled.Theysaid,"Wedon'tknowifthisistocode,itprobablyis.Youknow,itdoesn'tchangeanythinginthehose,it'sjustdisruptingthatcurrent.Butoninspection,theymightaskyoutoswitchitback."AndI'mlike,"Okay,that'sfinewithme."I'mgonnagothroughyearsofzeroexposureandthatisabsolutelyfinewithme.Sokeepthatinmind.Andthenanothergreatthingiswhenyou'relookingatinstallingallthelightinginyoursystem,twomainrules.Don'tinstallfluorescentlightingorcompactfluorescentlightingliketheswirlylightbulbs,theonesthatarepromotedtobeenergyefficientwhichdon'tgetmestartedonthattopic.Buttheswirlyones,compactfluorescents,theonesthatwetalkabout,youknow,thathavemercuryinthemandthatkindofthing,thosearetheworstoffenderswhenitcomestolightbulbsinyourhome.Ifyouhavethose,unscrewthemrightnow.Likeliveinthedark,getridofthem,andreplacethemwithideallyincandescentlightbulbsthat'sjustthestraight-uplightbulbthatTomEdisoninvented.ThoseproducezeroEMFsandifyoucan'tfindthemforwhateverreason,youknow,theysellthemhererightat,youknow,mylocalhardwarestores.LEDs,soifyouhaveLEDs,thosearegonnabeamiddleofthelineoffenderandIcan'tgiveadefinitive...becausethebrandschangeandwhentheyweremanufacturedchanges.SoI'lltestsomeandthey'rerealhighandthenI'llrestotherLEDsandthey'rejustfine.ButnothingisasbadasaCFL.Sograndschemeofthings,ifyou'rethinkingaboutthebestlightbulbstoinstallinyourhome,getincandescentsandthenifyoucan'tfindthoseforwhateverreason,getLEDs.Soinmyintegratedmedicaloffice,I'vegot...somesourceshadtobeLEDsbecauseofthenicelonglightbulbsandIknowthatDaveStetzer,thatengineer,actuallyrightnowisdevelopingazeroEMFLEDlightbulbtofixthisproblembecausehe...anditwasfunny,Iaskedhim,Iwaslike,"Oh,that'sgreat.Whyaredoingthis?"Well,heneededitforhisownworkshop.Youknow,he'sgotalltheseemployeesandhe'slike,"IhadtomaketheirworkenvironmentsafesoifI'mgonna


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produceitforthem,Imightaswellmakeitforeverybodyelse."AndIthoughtthatwassofunny.Andthenthesecondpartwhenitcomestolightbulbsandyourlighting,ingeneral,istonothavedimmerswitchesinyourhomeorifyoualreadydo,don'tdimthoselights.Usethemonfullblast.AndI'velearnedthatthehardwaybecauseIhadjustremodeledmyhouseandIhadinstalleddimmerswitcheseverywhereadimmerswitchcouldbeinvolved.Itwas...soitwasjustsofunny.AndsoI'd,youknow,paidallthatmoneyforindividualdimmerswitchesandthenontesting,they,youknow,likeliterallymadethereadersscream.Imean,theyjustscreambecauseyou'retakingenergythat'ssupposedtobeingusedandyou'redampeningit,butit'sgottogosomewheresoitcomesoutintoyourenvironment.Andsothat'swhat'smadethemetersthataretestingthisstuffjustgooutthecharts.ButassoonasIraiseditbackuptofull-blown,itwasalotless.Soagain,thenIboughtjustthestraight-uplikeflipoftheswitchswitchesfromHomeDepotforabout...IthinktheywerejustunderadollarbutIdon't...itwassoexpensivebecauseIhadinstalledallofthesedimmerseverywhere.Ipaidforallthatandthenthrewthoseoutandgottheflips.But,youknow,welearnedthehardwayandI'mjustgladtohaveknownit.Katie:Yeah,forsure.AndI'mcuriousifyou'veevertestedanyofthetypesofhalogenbecauseDave...IrecentlytalkedtohimDaveAspreywho'sprettyawareoftheEMFissuesaswellandhewasbuildingacommercialspaceforhisnewBulletproofLabsandinCalifornia,theyhavetomeetallthesecrazycodeandpowerspecsandusageofelectricityandallthatwhichprettymuchallcommercialbuildersonlywantedtouseLEDbuttheoptionsthathehadwerelikereallyhighEMF.Andsohefoundouthewasableto,atleastwiththehalogenbulbs,hehadfoundusehalogeninplaceoftheLEDsanditendedupbeingcheaperforhimbutalsolowerEMFs.Haveyoutested...Iknowthosearen'tusedasmuchbuthaveyoutestedanyhalogens?Libby:Yeah.SoIhaven'ttestedthembutwhatI'mgonnadoisI'mgonnagetyoutheanswertothatquestionfrom,youknow,allmycolleaguesthatdothisaswell,andthenthatway,youcouldjustputtheanswerinyourshownotes.Thatsoundslikeagoodstep.Katie:Perfect.Sothose,Iwillmakesuretoincludethatandthosewillbeatwellnessmama.fmunderthisepisode.Also,soyoumentionedliketheelectricalsystemhere,theWyesystem,itgroundstheoutletsasopposedtoactuallylikesendingtheelectricitybacklikeitshould.ArethereanythingthatwecandoonthatlevelwithgroundingorIknowthatthat'sawholemovementaswell,theideaofgroundingorgroundings.Soyoucanyoutalkabouttheconnectionandifit'shelpfulatall.Libby:Yes,forsure.Andtheanswerisgonnabealittlebitfrustratingbecauseyoudon'tknowuntilyouactuallytesttoseewhat'shappening.Butformostpeople,likesoforexamplewhenItestedmyteammembers,onlyoneofthemhadagroundingissuebutit'sstilllike50-50.Sowhatthatmeansisthatwhenyouwalkaroundbarefootinyouryard,areyouactuallyhavingacurrentrunthroughyourbody?Andthathappens.Youknow,sowe'llgoaround,we'llhookpeopleuptoagaintheseEKGpatches,we'llbeabletotest,whenthey'rebarefootinthegrass,testtheamountofcurrentcominguponeleganddowntheother.Soyou'reactuallycreatingthiscircuit.It'scrazytothinkabout,butunfortunately,thatisarealitybecauseofthatWyesystem.AndtheDeltasystem,that'snotaproblem,soyoucangroundanearthalldaylong.Now,youcould...andIdon't...there'ssomanybenefitstobeingbarefootthatIdon'twannadiscouragepeopletobebarefoot.And,forexample,youknow,you'reoutthere,you'rewalkingaroundinthedirt,yourkidsareplayinginthedirt,andtheyaregettingexposedtosoilmicrobiome,they'rebuildingtheirimmunity.Youknow,they'redoingsomanywonderfulthingstowhereaslongasyou'renot...you'veeliminatedtheseother


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exposures,thatis,attheendoftheday,gonnabealotmoreimportant.Sothegrounding,ifyouwantedtoknowdefinitively,you'dhavetohavesomebodycomeoutandactuallyhookyouupjustliketheydidmeandtesttoseeifthat'saproblem.Therehavebeentimeswhereit'sareallowlevelandIsay,"Youknowwhat?I'dratherhaveyouinthesunlightresettingyouradrenalglandsandworkingonyoursoilmicrobiome,"thatI'mnotgonnaworryaboutthisasmuchbecauseyou'veeliminatedotherfactors.Andthenthereareothertimeswhereitissointenselyhighandthisperson'salreadyhashealthcomplaintsthatIsay,"Yeah,unfortunately,whenyou'reoutside,you'regonnawannawearshoes."AndwhenIsayshoes,I'mtalkingabouttherubber-soledshoeswherethereisnocircuitthere,soyou'renotgonnahaveanyenergypassingfromthegroundtoyourshoes.Ifyou'rewearingleather-soledshoes,that'sthesamethingasgoingbarefoot.Sowiththatsaid,youdon'tknowuntilyougettesting.However,sopartofmy...andpartofmystory,togiveasidenote,becauseIcanmakethetestingoptionalotmoremanageableforpeople.SowhenIgotsickandItotallylostmyhealthandIgotbetter,Ihadaniece,hernameisKianaandshe'ssevenyearsoldandshewasdiagnosedwithaglioblastomaandshewasgiventwomonthstolive.Longstoryshort,weflewtoSpainandwesawDr.RaymondHiluwhodoesbloodanalysisandheputherblooduponthisbigoldscreenandwecouldactuallyseeherredbloodcellsclumpedtogetherandnotcirculatingandhelookedatusandhesaid,"SheisincrediblyEMFsick."Andhedidtellus,he'slike,"Thisisreallybad.I'mnotsurehowthisisgonnago."ButwedideverythingwecouldandIhavetogiveDr.RaymondHiluashoutoutbecauseheactuallydidcomeback...weflewtoSpain,hewasonvacationinAmerica.Heflewbackjusttoseeher.AndIjustthinkthatiswonderful.Unfortunately,gettingtreatment,alternativetreatmentforsomeonewithterminalcanceristoobigofaliabilityissueformostdoctorsinAmerica.It'snotthattheydon'tcare,it'sjustthatit'sahugeliabilityissue,andsowecouldn'tfindanybodyherethatcouldevengivehersomeoptions.Butweflewoverthere,whilewewerethere,Ihad...actually,wehadDaveStetzergoinandtestherhomeandthentestherclassroom.Andwhenyou'retestingyourhome,youwannasee...usingspecific...there'ssomanydifferentpiecesofequipmentandtheyallhavedifferentunits.Soforthesakeofsimplicity,withthisonedevicethatweused,youwannaseeunder2,000unitsperroom.Andherbedroomisat42,000units.Again,biologicallyactive,above2,000.Herbedroom,rightnearherhead,onlyroominthehousethatwaslikethiswasat42,000units.Herclassroomisat62andshe'dhadateacherpassaway.She'dhadanotherteacherthathadlate-termmiscarriages.Ateacherintheadjacentclassroomhadbraincancer.Imean,likeallthesebizarrethingswerehappeningandwewereabletodefinitivelysay,"Yeah,thisiswhatgothersick."Anditwasjustheartbreakingbecauseallofthesewaspreventable,youknow.Bydoingthethingsthatwe'vetalkedabout,shewouldneverhavebeendiagnosedandunfortunately,shedid.Shelostherbattle.Sonow,herdad,becausehe...youknow,again,losingachild,Ihopenobodylisteningeverhastogothroughanythinglikethat,buthenow...thisiswhathedoes.Heactuallydoesvirtualhomeinspectionswherehe'llmailyoualltheseequipmentandheactuallyhasvideosonhowtouseitandthenhegetsonaconsultationjustviaSkypeandsays,"Okay,theseareyourreadings,thisiswhatitmeansandthisiswhatyoucandoaboutit."Sointhecourseofaweekend,youcanactuallyhaveyourhometestedifyouwantedto.Now,sothat'swherethatwhenitcomestogrounding,yes,itdoestaketestingtoknowifthat'saproblemornot.Butnowthatthere'sthisvirtualhomeinspectionoptionoutthere,Ilovethat,andwedo...weactually...itwashisidea


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butitwassuchablessingtohaveananswerbecausesomanypeopleouttherehavesomeoneflyoutandtestyourhomebecausenotatonofpeopledothisandtherearedifferentonesthroughoutAmericaandifyouhappentobeclosetothem,it'salotmoreeconomical.Butforpeoplethatdon'tlivebysomebodywhodoesthis,itcanbekindofcostprohibitive.AndsoI'msogladthathedecidedtodothisbecausehejustwantedtobeabletoreachmorepeopleandsothat'swhathedoes.SoIlinkedtoallofthatforpeoplethatdowanttoseeifthatisaproblemforthem.Forthegroundingissue,theycanabsolutelydothat.Butinthemeantime,forpeoplethathavethingslikeBiomats,youknow,there'reallthesegroundingmatsoutthere.Imean,peoplespendsomuchmoneyonthisstuff,andontesting,ifyoudon'thaveyourhomefilteredorwhereyou'reusingthatmatfiltered,itwillactuallycreateacurrentinyourbody,notgetridofit.Canyoubelievethat?Katie:That'scrazy.Yeah.Thatwillbetheoppositeofwhatyou'dexpect.ItmakessensewhenyouunderstandthewholeissueoftheWyesystem.Libby:Yeah,absolutely.Andso,thisisthefunnypart.I'mskepticofallthesestuff.I'malwayslike,"Iwannaseeresearch.Iwannaactuallyseeittested."SoIhadaBiomat,pluggeditin,testedmyself,currentgoingthroughmybody.Iwasshocked.Again,expensive,promotedtohelpyou,andthenunpluggeditandthenitworkedbecausethere'sstillmetalfibersinthesemats,youknow,there'smetalfibers.Whenitwasunplugged,itworkedjustlikeIwasstandingontinfoilwhichactuallyisagreatwaytodischargeexcessenergyinyourbody.Itsoundstotallycoo-coo.IusedtonoteventalkaboutitbecauseIwasafraidpeoplewouldthinkthatthisisjusttotallyoffthewall.ButI'veseenit,youknow,testedtimeandtimeagainandthis100%works,butifyoustandonaBiomatthatisnotpluggedin,itactuallydoesworkasadischarge.Butagain,itworksjustthesameasifyou'restandingontinfoil,believeitornot,whichisalotcheaper.ItlastsareallylongtimeandIalwaystellpeoplelikeespeciallyifyouknowthegroundingisaproblemforyouoryou'renotsureandmaybebudgetdoesn'tallowforyoutogetthattested,well,thenyourkidsgooutside,they'replaying,they'rebeingkids,they're,youknow,notontheiriPads,they'renotplayingtheirXbox,butthey'rebeingfull-onchildrenoutsidewhichiswhatwewantthemtobedoing.Theycomeinside,whentheygotobedatnight,youhavethembrushtheirteeth,right?Sothey'rebrushingtheirteeth,havethemstandonapieceoftinfoil,which,again,Iknowthatsoundsbizarrebutthatis100%effectiveathelpingtodischargetheenergythatwe'rearoundeveryday.SothewaythatIdothisisinourbathroomswherewe'vegotourtoothbrushandourtoothpaste,underneaththecounters,Ihaveapieceoftinfoil.Andsomyson,Grayson,knowsandhe'stwowhenheknowstodothis.WhenhebrusheshisteethwhichsometimesisstillabattleandthenIlikepinhimdownonthegroundonhistinfoilbutaslongasyou'restandingbarefoot,you'redoinggreat.Andsoyou'llonlyneedtostandonthereforaboutaminute.Butthenicepartisifyoudoitwhileyoubrushyourteeth,it'salreadypartofyourhabit.Soit'sjusttrainingtoaddsomethingtoyourhealthroutine,it'ssomethingyou'realreadydoinganditmakesitreally,reallysimpletodoandsothat'swhyIalwayssay,"Ifyoucandothat,ifyou'renotsureaboutthegrounding,thatisagreatactionsteptotake."Katie:Yeah.Andthat'ssupereasyandsupercheapandI'malwaystellingpeoplenottouseyourtinfoilincooking,sothat'sagreatthing.Likeuseithereinstead.OnethingI'vereadandyoucouldeitherconfirmorliketellmethisisnottrue,butthatourcellsareactuallymuchmoresensitiveduringsleepbecausewe'reinthetimeoftryingtolikerebuildtissueandit'sjustadifferentstateofthebody.Isthattrue?Andifso,isthatlikewhereifsomeoneissuperoverwhelmedrightnow,shouldyoustartwiththesleeppartand,youknow,


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minimizetheWi-Fiwhileyou'resleeping,turnofftheXbox,isthatlikeagoodplacetostartordoesitmakealittledifference?Libby:Yeah.No,thatabsolutelydoes.Sojustthewaythatyourbodyworksiswhenyou'reasleep,everyothersysteminyourbodydown-regulates.Likeyourrespiratorysystem,yourdigestivesystem.Youknow,yourdigestivesystemisgonnadown-regulate.It'snotgonnaworkthathard.Youbreathesloweranddeeperwhenyousleep.Butyournervoussystemwhichisinchargeofyourhealingactuallykicksintogearandthat'swhenallyourhealingistakingplace.Sothebestthingtostartwithisexactlywhatyoujustsaid,focusingongettingbettersleep.AndyoutalkaboutalotofthesestrategiesthatIthinkworkhandinhandwiththewholesideofEMFs.So,youknow,wetalkaboutwearingbluelightblockingglassesandusingsomethinglikenightshiftonourphoneorbluelightblockeronourphoneoronourlaptoporouriPadjusttohelpregulateourmelatoninlevelsandhelpusgetintoadeepersleep.Soreallyniceadd-onisatthesametime,we'returningourwirelessoff.Ideally,we'rereadingabookandwe'renotonadevicebeforebedandthenweinstallacoupleoffiltersinourbedroomandwe'rejustgonnagetabetternightsleepoverall.Andthenwe'rehealingandwewakeupactuallyrefreshedtothenextdaywhichforpeoplethatknowthattheystrugglewithsleep,towakeupfeelinglikeyourselfagainissuchawonderfulthing.Andallthesepeopleoutthere,youknow,wetalkaboutadrenalissues,youknow,adrenalglandsthataretaxedandourcortisollevelsareoffwhichisastresshormoneinourbody.Butyouthinkaboutthat,ifwe'reconstantlyexposedtothisstuffandthenwealsolivecrazyhecticlives,we'vealsogotemotionalstressandphysicalstressthatwe'rearoundandthenweaddinthisEMF,it'salmostlike,howcouldweexpectouradrenalglandstofunctionproperly?Youknow,it'samazingsometimeswhenwethinkaboutwhatweputourbodiesthroughthatwe'restillfunctioningandthat'sjusthowamazinglybrilliantthehumanbodyis.Butabsolutely,ifyoucangiveitagoodnightsleepusingthosetoolslikethingsthatyou'vetalkedaboutandaddingtheEMFpiece,oh,mygosh,we'llbeunstoppable.Katie:Yes.Ithinkthat'ssuchagoodthingandlikebringingitbacktoliketherearethingsyoucando,Iknowthatthis...itdoessoundsuperscarybuttherearethingsyoucandoandIknowsomedoctorsespeciallytheonesinSwitzerlandandotherpeople,theyhaveinstalledmasterkillswitchesontheirhouseorontheirbedrooms.SoI'mcuriouslikedoesthatfixtheproblemlikeifyoustopthepowercomingintoyourhouse?Doesthatfixthecurrentproblemorwhatifyoujust...becausesomepeoplewouldwannamaybeleaveonliketheairconditioningortheheaterwhilethey'resleeping.Couldyouinstallthatinbedroomsifyouhadanelectricianorhowwouldthatwork?Libby:Yup.SoyoucaninstallakillswitchandIdo...actually,Idohavecolleaguesthathavedonethat.Youcaninstallakillswitchbutitwillleavethingslikeyourrefrigeratorstillrunning.Ifyouhaveadeepfreeze,it'llleavethatrunning.SoyoucanhaveaprofessionalactuallycomeanddothatandIwouldtalktomybrother-in-lawaboutthat,andagain,youknow,hisinformationisgonnabeinalltheinformationthatwe'resendingpeople.Butyoucanactuallygetthatdoneandthat'sgonnabeincrediblysafeandthenit'sturningeverythingoff.Soit'sturningoffyourWi-Fi,it'sturningoffthatpluggedinXbox,it'stakingthepowerawayfromeverything.Andsootherthantheunfortunateexposureslikecellphonetowers,radiofrequency,andgrounding,youknow,youcanstillhavethatgroundcurrentrunningthroughthepipesinyourhomebutotherthanthat,thatisanawesome,awesomeactionsteptodoaswell.Andifthatseemsoverwhelming,then,youknow,that'swhenyou'rejustgonnauseyourwirelesstimerfornowandgetsomefilters,youknow,thatwilltakecareoftheproblem24hoursaday.


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Katie:Yeah.That'sagreattipandIknowyou'regonnamentionthoseinyourresourcesandthelinkstoallofthat.Yourresourceswillbeintheshownotesatwellnessmama.fmsopeoplecanfindit,definitely,don'ttrytowritewhileyou'redriving.That'snotsafe.SoIfeellikewecoveredsomuchinfoandpeoplemightbefeelingalittlebitoverwhelmedandIknowyourresourceguidetocheckoutthewholeall10tips.Theycangetthemalltherelikewheretostart.Butcanyougiveuslikethetopthree?Likeifsomeoneissuperoverwhelmedandthey'relike,"Oh,mygosh,Idon'tknowwhatIdo."Likewhatarethreeeasythingstostarttoday?.Libby:Yeah,absolutely.Sothreeeasyinexpensivethingsthatyoucoulddotodayaregonnabetoswapoutyourlightbulbs.Soifyou'vegotthoseswirlyCFLlightbulbs,getridofthoseandinstallitscounterparteitherintheincandescentor,youknow,LEDs.Ifyoucan'tfindtheincandescent,thenagain,I'mgonnagetbacktoyouonthehalogens.Thesecondstepistogetanoutlettimerfromahardwarestore.Youcanorderitonline,again,I'lltellyouwheretogotogetthat.Andyou'regonnaplugyourwirelessintothat.Andthenafterthat,startbrushingyourteethontinfoilanditasweirdasitsounds,youdon'tevenhavetolike...I'lltalkwithclientsandthey'relike,"Myspousedoesn'tgetit."I'mlike,"Hedoesn'thaveto.Itstillworksevenifhedoesn'tgetit.Justhavehimdoit.Helovesyou,he'lldoit.Youknow,hewon'tcare."Soyoupullitout,youstandonit,youbrushyourteethandyou'redone.Andsothosearereallythingsthatpeoplecouldimplementthenextcoupleofdaysjusttohelpgetstarted.Andthenafterthat,thenyou'rejustgonnabuildontoit,youknow,andkeepingyourphoneinairplanemode,justreallysimpleinexpensivethings.Katie:That'sawesome.AndIhavesuchcreativereadersandlistenersthatIbetif...sinceyou'vesaidthat,I'mlike,guys,thisisacall.Ifyoudosomethingwiththetinfoil,Iknowyou'realsocreative,InstagramitandtagmeandtagLibbybecauseIcanjustseereadersmakinglikea,youknow,Japanesestonemassagematoutoflikeballsoftinfoilorbraidingitorsomethingcute.Soifyouguysdothat,shareit,becausethat'sacoolidea.But,again,likethelinkswillbeintheshownotesaswell,ofcourse,andit'salsorevivedliving.com/emf.I'llhavearecapandlinksandallthekindofbulletsthatwetalkedaboutintheshownotesaswell.Ihaveafeelingthere'sgonnabefollow-upquestionssomaybewe'llhavetodoaroundtwoonedaybutthankyousomuch,Libby,forbeinghere.Thiswasawesome.Libby:Yeah.ThankssomuchKatie.Justsuchanhonortobeonyourpodcastandthanksforbeingwillingtospreadthismessage.It'sacomplicatedonebutthanksforbeingwillingtospreadthatmessagetoeverybody.Katie:Ofcourse.ThankyouandthankstoallofyouforlisteningandIwillseeyounexttimeontheHealthyMomsPodcast.

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