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Nakcy Ordway, ,representing, Michael Franchettif ector of Finance
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Joh44 s, 'h ex A Chairperson, representing. Kenneth, Cory; ( 3 _,, iJr7 W e v4tontroller
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„Claire T. DedricR Executive OffiCer
James F. Trout Assistant Executive Officer 6, • ■D
Robert C. Right
N. Gregory Taylo
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1/4 , MciriiciPal Advisoryff Council
Show-Pr@pentation 0:)y- Carmen Iodise, I.
Comment's Eby Diane Conn Member, ,Isla ,Vista Comm ity '
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meeting__-,,-of 'this -,76.ar;:', Without objection, they're adopted. oh,
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EXECUTIVE OFFICER DEDRICK: 0 You'have' them before, o
CHAIRPERSON DERV 5: Any' discussion on those? ; 0
EXECUTIVE 6FFICER DERRICK: (lir. ChairOn, Items”
Cr(G), and 67 are off the Consent ialeridar. 4 3 a
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Cli-A,T.4,ERSON 7ERVIS : „,,, This cad' the Consent Car endar ,
'Items Cl through UCl2 minus' C7 and C1'(C4). Is thereo anyone
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Conseh -Calendar , , Ci through." 12, In inua those two items?
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NoW the Regular Calendar'. „ Iterre:p Stenberg o 0 „ ,
EnterOriges., Anyone in the audience Who,calqes to address
'Item 13 Stenberg Enterprises? DiscuSsicin?'
Without objection ,0 it Will be approv'eC-k
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o 7 Q., , I) ' 0 Itef- 1.5 .,,approVed, no objectibn. A ,
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A 0 ' 11 bli this is $ue ? 6'‹? DscUssiOn?" °Debate? C,‘ ._, .
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ion this issue?
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0 , item 1S 0 Wdtsel-Vi4tt Lugiber COTpany. Anyone
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Item 17, Charles E: or
Item 19 r CGG Americn- Services.
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Item:20 9 Central Marin
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Item 21,
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Item 22,
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Item 24,
, objection, ±i' a approved.
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Bast Bay MUD: AnyOne On the issue?
objection , it's; aPproved.
Chevron USA. Anyone on the issue?
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Item,24,,,Cit Of °Lor Bdaoh,bm00,ification of - -0 „ and Operations and 4udget.;'.D' ,,,
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Officer, to execute a release to Aminoij, Anyone on the - . , .
issue? Not even the EkecUtive Offqxer? 0 .,
EXECUTIVE OFFICER pEDRICX: gla °p C) IN
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dimmpsoN ',TERws: 7, Do yoU want an explanation?
COMMISSIONER ORDWAY: I've read the material. 0 r,
„ OUAIRPERSON'JERVXS: Without objection, it's
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Item 260 the Lands CommissiOn; Departmea7W
Fish and Game; Orange County; Signal Bolad; Signal Landmark.
Anyone on this issue? Any discug'Sion? ,
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With6uE objection, it approved., 11
( ECUTI/TE OFFICER DEORICX:' No.
140 Mil OMMISSIONER MoCeiRTHY: that ,hazin'e iaa
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EXECUTIVE OFFICER DEDRIM Not to -my knowledge.
have had no comments _at all. WS just; an extension
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position and primarily Fish and Game's positiGn fOin co
allowing the230, abres too back to Signal„y„We continued , , o ,
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'\ extension' is,appro'Ved.
CitO)f Napa o andoNapa County LAPCO. -
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W.thout'objection, it's approved.
Item 28, Isla Vista Municipal Advisory Council. Ft
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19 --!-7 MR. BORGMAN 'Good afternOon4 My name is 0
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' We:groe with the Staff's boundary deScription
that '°s ybut report and appreciate the Staff's assistance9 o
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oflowever, in the report they stated that we rc'
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proppsed city of,Isla Vista. .And .Nre 'had assumed that ? ' " k ,
03 the situation was the sameas in 1975 when we,subm&eted ---0, , - . 0 °4 basically-the same boundaries, essentially the same
, 4! ' 5 boundaries. The,o'technical sufficiency was approved
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that stated it was only technical sufficiem! - z,„_hpt approval „ 0
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submit the entire incorporation packet =-1.h 1975; 'blithge ; c.
submitted nothing more than the , -,letter this, time, assuming -_,
that basically the situation was the same.
SO, we were somewhat startled last week that the
recommendation was for denial and put Ooether a short
four-and-a7half-minuteide presentation to provide that
information for you today and request that we„1-4 allowed
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CHAIRPERSON, JERVIS:0 If you're goin'g to narrate'
these slides, WIApdoWt S/3u identify a/xself for, the‘/)
record.
441R. Lopxst:; Yes, sir: Carmen Lodise,
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6 that we, see'froMthe pffsho# The issue of IslVista , , L.
7 becomin4 a city is essentially a:-'defensive action. One
of the, major services that we are concerned about is o
0 planning and2land use.
10 0 while the county and the university had
responsibility for the situation in the 196Ws, their eN
W policies led to an extreme °overdevelopment of the community
wAdye now we have more people ‘d more cars per sci&re / foot than any other community West of Manhattan. They
did this by creating ap„ecialstudent residential zoning
which allowed for fewer setbacks -- and for larger
buildings on smaller libts than anyplace else in the county,
indeed anyplace else in the state. So that, now we fl
have more cars per bedrooms than anyplace else in the 9
state. The resnit is we have more people -- a lot of 0
21 people, a lot of cars, and a lot°of cement:
22 The City of Isla Vista, on the othee hand, would
23 haye the resources to begin implement ing many of the plans
24 =jwhich we have been accumulating through the years which
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for are parklands and, keeping beaches clean.
Sinde the mid-60's, the County has been receiving ,L)
9. . $75,000 A year frbm State Resource- Code6817 from ° - - , 0
c -'--- Platform Holly because of k:a. park in Islao Vista. Va."'
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they have literally speht none of those funds in Isla ' --,!/ • ,0-,
Vista cleaning up the oil on thq beaches or developing cp
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Faced with' that situation, Isla Vista' residents
formed the Isla Vista Recreation and Park District, 0
of which was to prevent furen6r
overdevelopment in the community.- And in the mp-Ms, community. fi:' L-, 0
open space A which has allowed as to 't)
largest landowner in the community. ..,-
of the things.we're must proud Lofis that
cant lot in the center ofpown)that made'.the- 0 (
blighted and turned it into a heavilasqd1- -\
facility, but which'has maintained a rural
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We have also -turned over many acres to 0
refugees fom Southeast Asia for subsistence agriculture7.
1The o boundaries'of tire city include "the center k.
part ofsCisla Vista and the campa dormitories, and a - II
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Francisco Torres; areas Which have been included in the
, Isla Vista Community Council ele6ion boundaries since , ■
1970. And they also include, of course, Platform Holly c‘:,■
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8 City of,Isla Vista is viable. Many incongruities
and a lot more senior citizens, and also up to a -thousand
refugees from the Clr mentioned earlier, which have been
welcomed into the community and, indeed, Isla Vista
Elementary School has become famous nationally for its
multi-cultural programs.
But some things remain the same in Isla Vista,
Over 96.5 percent of the community are renters; 55 percent
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We have a large labor force, `Seven thousand Of the
community's 17,000 are full-time employed, many in the.
factories in Goleta. 'Therels a„high rate„ of turnover of
residents. Average residency is two years 'versus the
three and a quarter years county-wide. But there's also 0 •
a high turnover in property ownership -- 50 percent every
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, The 11194i1 a houSeholi, income in,ISl Vista is A
leas than half of what it is0cOunty-ide. However, 0,,
seven0cint of eight commur . ies -- that slide's 0
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, 10 that people support established in the City of Isla .
11 Vista deal with the p'ioblems that we're all faced with. \0 C .
12 Two undred years ago, Thomas Jeffekson said (1 „ 3
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most'of oNr states assert that all
power is inher6t in the people and
that they may exercise it by themselves
in, all cases tp which they feel
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Jefferson's statement still holds in modern California.
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I would like to- give, each one of you oneof 0 ,
Which shows the existing pla tform Holly herewith the cP , , ,, , new platforms which are supposed to be in p n reduction [ „ 0
5 in cl9SS. There was some confusion earlier today. We
thought that the. platform straight off the coast of
„Isla ViSta which are going to come"into productionwould,
be taxed differently than Platform Holly. But I think
.that - the State Lands ComMission has since,clarified-that ,0 0
and that there_is.no difterencein the taxation on the . . 0
two kinds.
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of the proposed area.
MR. LODISE: Excuse me?
EXECUTIVE OFFICER DEDRICK: I was just pointing
17 but to the:Commission. 0 MR. LODISE: The other thing:that we would like
19 to point out that's in the staff report is that it ays
that this would not be'in'the State's interest. 0 ,
And ae, we,discues it with them, certainly the State has _ ,,,
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z,og th'e State Lands COilLssion. .
ie'feel that the City of Isla Vista will begin , .[-9 . .. 6 do the remedial operations and work necessary to make
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in the 40st,which we jUathave not tad the,cOntro1 a and
Certainly Lt is in t,h, e State' s interePt to look
over the years and seefJthere's a way to correct
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the,situation which resulted essentially from State,
policies ten and twenty years ago. And' we feel that the
We live with the large oil seat off the coast
that you all are familiar with.
We liv4" with the visual impact every day. And
it seems like 1476 should share appropriately in, the
revenues. a I'd just like to remind you again that there
here, today. ,
,CHAIRPERSON JERVIS: Do 'we have any questiona?
MR, LODISL: We have one more comment,
CHAIRPERSON JERVIS: Diane, would you give, your
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MS, CONN: Hello. XIMDiate Conn'and I'm a
member of the Isla Vista Community and I'm very active
'an the incorporation and other community issues.
I wanted to address the isstie tlial,peems to be a
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.very much. And we alSo understand. that there's alot, of
work going into trying to balance-the environmental
'concerns and balance the revenues
Our for exten4.ng'the'bounaries are
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thee shoul4jpe some way to remedy this. We understand °
that at one time Santa Barbara, --- thereS a probleth with 0
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that there would be novdrilling in the sanctuary after
'the State Lands had already made it and then the State
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PP, 11PW we're ready ,to0takequestions.
oCHA'IRptRSON JaVZS;, Is what you're saying is it's
not feasible,.fiscallY?.prudent or even possible to
yincorporate a,city theregthat does not go out into the
oil, field? 0
een stuck with talking abOut LODISt:' 0
finances.-
That's 1:7-ly we s44 ou thOaack of this,
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0 , . 21, Platform Holly,owec3have a very significant 4utplue. ,..,
But we're just not any Ordinary community or t 0
3 city: We have to?, show, to ,LAFC0 to °get IDY) that we have ° .2 a. •
71', 'significant surplus in orderto relieve\that coACern:concern:.,0 0 , „
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in the short run with just,Holly,,but the twcrnew o4e-
cotingo ixIthat we have to 'put upowiththat it would spake 11 n 0
It financially viable in the long: run. It 'would remove
finances.as (a question entirely from the delierations
in that Santa BarbaraCounty LAFC0. And that's really
what wec are most interested in is removing it as an issue
and let them contemplate some other things if there are
'so e other things.
9 ' MS. CONN: Another issue in,that is that,-e ,..„/
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i1 drilling and the-oollnty really isn't taking any measures -',) , c
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---_7-- CHAIRPERSON JERVIS: Well, there's a number of
17 citie§ in California that are asking the Controller how
If! feasible ieis to 'go out of business. Maybe you could
19° buy' one,of,those franchises' and move, the franchise* there.
20 0 Why don't we hear from staff if ,We have no
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MR. TROUT:Mr. ghairman, I think, maybeAust to
pewective. The diavam they showed on the
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little foreshort pf the,
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in the calendar is this dot4dbla k line (indieating), ;
which would gO, out three milet h n ,here come iahere
The solid or upland area of the City of (indicating), . -
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the total., ̀area
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and 83 percent is the Offshore area.
description does cut-the existing lease
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the ciT,y, d it does include the two cleW strikes
:coVered by .ARCO, 308 and 309. ARCO,is'now proposing to , )
put a'procetting and pxyduction platform- on each :6f the-ge , . .0
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And this, point overindicating) is sanctuary and this
area (indicating) is generally 4eased up that way.
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The City '=oaf Santa Barbara incorporation ad
in here (indicating). The city boundaries, I think, are,
about here (indicating). And the city, like Los'Angeles,
'hat a finger that comes dOWn and-includet,thp,airport, C7?
asr_6§ Angeles runs down and pickt up the harr. 00 ,
So, this,is the City of "Santa Barbara'(indicating),
this is the proposed new city 0(indicating),,thit is the
, neighboring ala,gf
, Goleta (indicating), and this is
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AAIRn AWJE VIS: Questions?
M TAY (OR1 Avir. Chaktmanj, as I understand the 4,)
staff's reccImendatidh-Tit hinges on two problems. , .1 ,
One that this is a peaod of:ex,4nsivs development
Where although the State is in a "p,eriOr. position in
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cooperation and coordination kith Local agencies in the 1(4_L-___ A ‹) ,, c
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recommendation to you that it o ld appear to be inappragria e:,°
expanded development cplan'S going.
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at this time, ue to the substantial expansion'odfacilities 13 d 0
and the ongoing dialoguewith te county, would be
inappron ate at this time to interrupt that prOCess
0 The other problem'i0 that some a_4 nistka ,ve'
problems would bepreSerted by bisecting\of that one lease. , \ ,,-.
So, I t /Nink those would be 712--, lises on which'
the staff has made'Nits recommendation ,to you.- Those
concerns would have to be weighed against the views that
were expressed here by the other people
CHAIRPERSON JERVIS3 Questions on the point?
COMMISSIOilER ORDWAY,: One question.
Am I to understand that timing9is the primary
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MR. TROUT: Carpinteria, I think, perhal.
MR. TAYLOR: Carpinteria does.
MR. THOMPSON: By grant or otherwise?
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1- we think its benefiting pe,State and whenlit's not." ) k,.
9 • In thisc'instance,.w9 don't think it serve—iny useful
10 < •purpCise, for the tidelands-- fdr these lands to Joe , •.:, city. annexed to a neW cty.
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14 EXECUTIVE OFFICER DEDRICk: Yes.
15 , MR. TROUT: Redondo, Newport,' for example,
16 Los Angeles, as well as Long Beech- o co,
17 COMMISSIONER MCCARTHY: In Santa Barbara County,
EXECUTIVE OFFICER DEDRICK: Huntington Beach. 0 )
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DERRICK: Well then A other
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cases tie Legislature has granted the tidelands 't \-theo
community for actlial-adMinistration, This would et be
the case here. I men: the acinistration of lease' would
remain with the State unless. there was a. legislati e
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COMMISSIONER MCCARTaY: Whereelie besides 00
Beach is there an0administraElve aU0ority. delegation„: ,1_
EXECUTIVE OFFICER DEDRI ,OK: Oh, Los Angeles --
\ MR.'THOMPS0N: Newkrt Beach, Redondo,
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COMMISSIONER McCARTHY: °The° 4ties have the
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EXECUTIVE OFFICER DEDRICK: Yes, whenever there
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COMMISSIONER McCARTHY': In the case of the cities C'
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examples° of annexation,by a city to pull in? 0 t-
~~drilling 'areas.
MR. TROUT: ,Oovernor, the only one I" can 3,
° ts of oa f ,the top CF my .head was the City of Cakpinteria,' ' 0 ,
it5 which annexed out into th., tidelaads and 'by virtue Of that
1 ri 7 annexation piCked up, the',grant that had already been made
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Beach and the City of $eal,Beach at least they've (1,
22 got barrel taxes.
23 o EXECUTIVE OFFICER DEDRICK:, But were they there_
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MR, FOSSUM: We have had some ,history of prober* 0,
though. The City of, Seal Beach passed an ordinance that 0
restricted the typesof0uses that could be'made,offshore
and it required a_lawsuit in which the State= Lands 0 ,
Commission Was forced to assert its exclusive jurisdiction
over these lands for the oil production to continue.
So, Pthat's an example where a tity might, depending
on who is in control of the city government could bring
an action to try and enjoin or interfere with the State's,
it took several years to bring the case to 4nal result.
COMMISSIONER McCARTBY: m not sure whether what's
being4gnested here makes sense on oer'grounds yet and
I'm still trying to understand the fact8,here.
Isn't if possible that we could enter into a.:\ a contract with the City of Isla it does become a
0c1ty so that if they did engage in any improper uses
once the grant is `given it's absolute? 0
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been a trent to a local agency wherethere was substant)ial
---production of oil since the discovery of oil.
So, I thinfc that the issue 05f whether or not
Th0 ,State Lands,CommisSion haS, two 'roles -- 0
approval of b4ndaries. - And it. can go thumbs *or down
on whether or 'not theoarea is. included.
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if there was an answer to the point 'just made that the
cit). could somehoW production, 'place obstacles
in the ,way' of oil produdtion. Is that ° 3
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MR. FOSSUW W011, it may not bet' but the main'
thing is at least he have a dialpgUe there.
If Isla Vista proposes to go to an election, say, 0
next,year, a year down the road from now and they elect
a new city council and Mayor or whatever, we don't know
what they will, think., And whether or not they can tie
us to a -- you know, th-e Municipal Advisory Council can. AP (12
city council,I think there's serious dOubts as to what
they could agree to in that regard, The city council
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the proponents of the cincorporation.
CHAIRPERSON JERVIS It would. be an interf5Sting
21 and be successful in getting ajegislative grant for the
22 lands which'puts you in a position of not getting tax
23 revenues from this production, but actually being the (,2
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inoany way agree to anything now that,will bind theik%
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--'c,he policy of Dthe Lands Commission to cooperate Oith
local agencies as much as possible in developing plans. 0
And, of course, there are thin which take place in the
offshore which relate=to the ()ashore, With regard to
working out all those relatio0hips: there is quite a bit
of give and take. 3D
rlf a city Was -to try= to impose an tak 0 0
or restriCt'production or do other4things, we have in the Ly f , 0 ,
involved in litigation, to square that question past been ci
away.
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lf,,,You we to approVeYthis, we E, , ,s, MI, TAYE6R:
wouldn't have to, „
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a percentage „up to $7..--riv:AQQ.; 0 0
15 0 ,,, EXECUTIVE OFFICER DEDRIa.:" Currently there, are
iE ,two billsitoving through the ATegislature, as you're, 6 -, ot)
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20 o CHAIRPERSON JERVIS: So, this money -- 6-C' ,
EXECUTIVE OFFICER,DEDRICK: There could be 4 0 '
, e,, CHAIRpERSON JERVIS:- So this money would shift
, , t Barbara County to the City of Isla 'Vista.
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We take -those one stet) at a-,time.l` ''0 ,
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something you'd like 'to add? 0
MR. BORRMAN:' Ye , 0s. We are
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not asking for a grant'
authority here. We
just would, like approval the,boundaries.
'25 °-, oomplaint that staff // ' it appears that the mafijdy
has is that there's the possibilitythrat we might cause
trouble 'in the, future: And they said that that's not in,
to state's beSt interests ,-:, '
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the Council for—two yeart. I don't believegwe've --.„.„„ . • , -
Maae':„any comments whatsoever about these oil developments.
„haVe been trtsting the county and the State Land$ 7-0
,'CoMmission- to bee fairly environmentally conscious.
What we would like is the ,boundaries approved
for technical,
annexation of
of Isla Vista.
If approved in concept of sufficOncy and
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CHAIRPE ,SON JERVIS: Why is it thatVou chose'
rogjhl1PlIalf? What is the: 13 to cut that lease in half or 0"
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to incorporate as a itycand we felt it only fait not to
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boundary be drawn at
The statute also'requires that the
right angle's to the shore.
MR. BORGMAN: Perpendicular.
MR. TAYLOR: So, in=--order to include the whole
leaSe, they would have had to ,eXpand,the 'size of the,city
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24 MR. BORGMAN: The, line drawn ,perpendicular'
right frOm "the immediate -shore.
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'MR. TROUT: Mr'. Chairmant it'd9es pre sent 'a Q '0 c,,
02 „technical problem in that there would be ad Valore taxes , - ,„„
3 duet ' On that lease. Andd -how thOSO-taxes would be 414it "1 0 ,
between the county and ‹\the' city wou ,d,'I think, while -not
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Tht is the One problem\we have with tutting.
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MR. LODISE: Also, we've had a, point of clarifica-
titan of that through 0 the,LAPCO and SantaBarbaraattorneyS
'that whereas there* some,technical draWp in the
line across there, it's a techniCal problem and riot a
legal problem and that the local assessor could do that 6
if it's soAnstructed. by the Board of Supervisors-
'EXECUTIVE OFFICER cDEDRICK: oYes, its the
situation, that's not as complex, but of the same general
order: that we have,,in Long Beach with the &quitv question --
undet whose annexedYland'isthe oircem#g frOm?f=, r 0„.
I lost 4-participle or:something. But, anyway, the. point
is how the dAckena-do you,figure;-?ut whose percentage is _ 0
what.. :•otv.tan get ,aniRtful lot, oirt- of tha-b „.
discussion. ̂ And we do. We have exactly those kinds'Of
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MR1 BOAGMAN: Isn't Long Beach, though, a differen
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EXECUTIVE OFFICER DEDRrCK:''Well, I think whenever 0 you split an oil field, wheper_you split it among owners
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cHAIRPEgsow aXVIsl Okay, e'en !thing f rther,
MS. Dedrick, qtr Taylor; Mr. Hight, frOmIcthe, proponents?
Do X hear TUrther discussion from the members
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COMMISSIONER ORDWAY: One final question,
If,that annexation is not'included, Would you.
, Id still seek LAFCO's approval to incorporate?
0 a BORGMAN: We'll try.,, It „makes it more
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19 COMMISSIONER ORDWAY:o they have a minimum
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MR, BORGMAN: Not that I know of.
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MR.-AlORGMAN: They make some kind of anaIy44S
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EXECUTIVE OFFICER DEDRICK: Well, any action 0
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COMMISSIONER McCARTHY: I don:'t think you've
got the votes. I think your °best decision today is
going to be a diSapproval without prejudice SO, you can
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You haven't got the votes for 0approval on this Commission. 18
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17 ,„; MR., LODISE: That's true. ,_ ifi (, a
18 What We need't6 appear before JJAFdo 3.., in fact,
19 that you agree that the technical description of',the0, , ,
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21 1975 that LAFC0, got the report from you that our„offShore
22 boundaries were technically correct and they proceeded
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24 COMMISSiONER gcCARTH#Totally apart from , this
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to become incorporated?
MR. LODISE: Yes.
COMMISSIONER McCARTHY,: Isn't that whaer''You're.'
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it would he1p i'ou-lookbetter fiscally? „
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EXECUTIVE OFFICER = i RICK:" Only if they're
cq goipg to include, the area.
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COMMISSIONER McCARTHY; I appreciate that. 4)
MR. BORGMAN: Before they accept 4r petition
and our proposal, they need 4P7val of boundaries Offshore
if we include themy So, we, cango befOre:LAFCO until 0,
something 1143pens here first, ,
COMMISSIONER McCARTBY: If you don'tget approval 0 here, you 'submit to LAFCD 'your eXiStihgbouhcries withaut)
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CHAIRPERSON CERVIS.: Land=loased,c4
MR.BORGMAN: I guess so.
MR. LODISE: Except'that We've already got most
of our 3,000 signatures required with this,o because we 0
thourt you had approved this iri '75.' So, that that4 n n
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the staff. I c+on't know that °that 'Presumes on our part M . 0
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Commission.-. But we wills, certainly recommend that" the -staff 0 .
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entity bl:at rep(esents the area, that the county's
C.:esirces,h6Jv to be brought into play here too.
don' think that it would be a,good thing foF
t/ to Lalids Commission to be 'kind of mediating between
„6 the county and the community as to whether
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local government's,LAKOtedecision. 2k11" as your Chief
of Staff, I Would not like to find myself in'a spot where'
somehow or other I'm supposed to balahce their interests. ,) 0
I don't really' believe that's your intent, but I wanted 0 0•0„
to make. it clear •
CHAIRPERSON JERVIS: Wee certainly don't
inject ourselves inothat situation.
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EXECUTIVE OFFICER DEDRICK: I didn't think you Y. ■7:7 , 0
would•
COMMISSIONER McCARTHY: Is there clarity,o1 this
point? Do you)unders*d what was just said?, 0 0 6 c.,
In summary, I think this Commission is going to
\1A___deny without prejudice to give You 'a chwice,to make the
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So that there's no misleading of you I think I
19° heard the Chairman say he wanted the staff to workmore
closely with you.. That should not infer that the Staff
-is close to changing its mind on the issue or that You
'have a majority on'this CoMmission, It only says-=-You have. 0
a- right as citizens totry° °to make your case more strongly. 0
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CHAIRPERSON JERVIS: l'Okay.
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be more willing to look at a city that's 17 percent
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CHAIRPERSON74TERVIS: I guess we j don't see
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signal us ethat)a certain segment Of
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EXECUTIVE OFFICER D DRICK: As a matter of
clegaiity, it is entirely within the discretion of the
Commission as a matter Of law.
CHAIRkRSON jERVIS: Yes,.
EXECUTIVE OFPICER DED4ICK:' The decision is
7irely within the discretion°of the Commission. 0 I'ye
said that and I'm not yotir attorney.
it is required, because •ofthe, statute requiring action
by .he commission in,45 days, that' you take formal actin,
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10 the State LandsCommissi'n should be (prepared to deal with
the new City Of Isla Vista in addition to Santa Barbara
COunty. I guess if we see that signal oesupport,
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CHAIRPERSON JEliVIS: It's been moved that we
deny Without prejudice the application process from going 0
ahead.
Any objections,
Hearing none, then,it's adopted.
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I, EILEEN JENNINGS 'a Certifie&Shorthan 0 )0. 0 0
Reporter of the ̀ 'State of California do hereby certify:
':--. That 1 am a disinterested person herein; that
the foregoing Meeting of the State Lands Commission was 0
reportenn shorthand by me/,),T17e-en jenifigs, and Gp
thereafter transcribed into typewriting., 0
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