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Lecture on remedies

A lecture describing the process of choosing remedies for Kala Sarpa/Amrita Yoga and for curses.

Lectures inspired by Pt. Sanjay Raths workshop at the SJC Asia Conference 2006.

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162 Responses to Lecture on remedies

Anurag Sharma Says:

March 12th, 2007 at 5:19 pm

|Om Namo Narasimhaaya|

|Om Lakshmyai Namah|

Dear Visti,

Did you have a third part on remedies for the Badhak? Just checking because it is not here.

Best wishes,

Anurag.

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Sharat Says:


||Hare Ram Krishna||

Dear Visti,

Namaskar,

In KSY/KAY, this needs to be remedied first. However, if there are curses as well, will they also

need remedy? If so then will they need remedy only after KSY/KAY has been broken successfully.

Regards

Sharat

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Visti Larsen Says:


Dear Anurag and Sharat, Namaskar.

We will delay the badhakesh lecture until the next Sunday. After those two lectures i was

completely drained for energy.

The beauty of Kala Sarpa/Amrita Yoga is once you break it with a suitable remedy that

remedy actually acts as a new controlling factor in the chart. I.e. if you break it through

Kamalatmika sadhana suddenly the entire yoga becomes a Kamalatmika yoga instead and the

entire life heads in that direction. As a result you rarely have to give any remedy for curses or

anything like that neat eh?

Yours sincerley, Visti.

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chandra Says:


Dear Visti,

My daughter has some ADD and autism problems.could you please suggest some remedies. Her

details are

Jan 06/98, 7:01pm, Hyderabad, India.

Thanks

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Visti Larsen Says:

March 12th, 2007 at 10:03 pm

Dear Chandra, Namaskar

Such cases are very difficult to remedy but they all involve the strengthening of Guru in the

persons chart. In your daughters chart its apparent that the affliction to lagnesh and Guru is the

problem and whilst I cannot personally give such a remedy I would advise you to make it a

lifes goal to seek out a priest who can give you or your daughter a Tara Mantra for her well

being.

To start you can try to teach her this mantra: Hreem Streem Hum Phat. Just try.

Yours sincerely, Visti Larsen.

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Astroyogi Says:


Ahishekem with Gangajal..

Dear All,

I read abhishek wiht ganga jal to linga ca releive at gr8 extent..reason..

i feel gangajal being moon here and shiva jupiter ..gives grea8 releif for jataka..

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Vijay Kumar Says:


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2 af 66 18-03-2009 21:18

Dear Visti,

Your lecture on remedies is very inspiring, particularly when you explained the implications of a

KSY and KAY. The approach of remedies in both the cases are very logical and inspiring.

I have a doubt : If the KSY and KAY happen in the D-charts, do the same principles get applied ?

In the case of female : 18-08-1978, 0326Hrs IST, Allahabad, India; the KAY forms in 2/8 axix.

Moon joins Ketu and Lagna joins with exalted Jupiter. Since, KAY forms in D-9, does that mean

that the marital life is a burden to her ? In order to break the yoga, Can she resort herself with the

mahavidya worship of Jupiter or by the mahavidya worship of Moon through somebody, say

parents.

Kindly guide me and oblige.

Thanks,

Vijay Kumar

Visti Larsen Says:


Hi Vijay, Namaskar.

Rasi is the most important. Without the rasi we cannot even step into the higher divisions if

the door is locked we cannot enter the house, let alone the bathroom.

So we need to solve the issue in the Rasi first. The yoga forming in higher divisions do show

problems arising, but its the rasi which is the key to this.

Prefer the planet in lagna if possible and ask her to wear a yellow sapphire or yellow topaz

after having a priest perform Jeeva Nyasa to the ring (to protect the health) and letting her start

wear it on a thursday morning.

Yours sincerely, Visti.

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asha kamath Says:


Visti ji, I am listening to your lesson on curses. My dob is January 19, 1951, POB is Hubli

Karnataka, India

TOB is 10:10 am.

besides the Gayatri japa do I do anything else?

You mentioned that I have a curse of brahmin. my venus is also conjunct with sun. is that the

reason for my marriage not lasting?

should I wear a yellow sapphire? or I have been advised to wear blue sapphire.

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Bharat Says:

March 15th, 2007 at 4:53 am

Namaskar Visti ji, I have listened your lecture on kalasarpa and tried to match it with my horoscope.

I have ketu in my lagna which is aquarius and rah is with sat in leo. My jupiter is in 6th house in

cancer along with mer and My venus is along with sun in 5th house in gemini. How would i decide

which mahavidya is good for me. The first two points as said by you match the horoscope i.e

planets in lagna and planets together with one of the nodes. If i am not wrong my Jup is in 6th house

which is not a good house and my venus is 15 deg from sun which nearly makes it to combustion.

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Please advice which one is good. And where can i get the mantras for these 9 mahavidyas.

Vijay Kumar Says:


Dear Visti,

Continuining on my doubt

Thanks for your reply. I do appreciate the fact that the KSY/KAY, if gets formed in the natal chart,

then it should be broaken as the natal chart is the chart of prarabdha with which we are born.

But my doubt was, if there is no KSY/KAY in D-1, but that happens in some D-charts, what should

be interpreted and what should be done ?

In the example given, D-1 does not have any KSY/KAY but D-9 has. In this situation, what are the

implications and what should be done to break it ?

Your kind guidance is requested.

Vijay Kumar

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Sanjeev Trivedi Says:


Dear Visti ji,

Your study of the subject is amazing. Listening to your lessons on curses.

My DOB is 14.08.1959, Time - 1330 hrs, Place - Bhopal (MP)India.

Would you kindly throw some light on my horoscope and pl suggest remedy.

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Visti Larsen Says:

March 15th, 2007 at 10:11 am

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4 af 66 18-03-2009 21:18

Hi Asha and Bharat, Namaskar.

Asha

I dont believe your marriage suffered due to the curse, rather weaknesses were the cause of

this.

Gayatri mantra is the key for you, and further being of service to elders, priests and offering

support to children is important as this is a curse of Brahmin. Specifically installing a Shiva

Linga in a temple is the best remedy I can advise for you for a Brahmin Shaapa in Lagna.

Bharat

The mind is very important for Mahavidya selection and we should prefer that graha who is

best placed from the Moon.

Here the selection methodology is closely linked to the chandra yogas.

1. See which planets are lording the Moons sign.

2. See which are joining the 1st, 7th, 2nd, 12th, 6th or 8th from the Moon sign.

Among these you must choose the Mahavidya So where is your Moon from Jupiter and

Venus?

As for mantras, some authors of SJC have published some mantras for Kali and Tara on their

websites, but their sites seem to be very moody which makes the mantras unavailable. But, it

should be born in mind that the BEST way to receive a mantra is from a person who is a

Mahavidya Sadhaka. Otherwise start with the Nama-mantra for the mahavidya, i.e. Om

(name) Namah. Later the Mother will lead you to a propper sadhaka. Keep in mind the

restrictions i mentioned in the lecture.


Visti Larsen Says:

March 15th, 2007 at 10:23 am

Dear Vijay and Sanjeev, Namaskar.

Vijay

In such cases we will advise very simple advise such as wearing a gemstone or associating with

a certain person to ensure the best results. Admittedly the KSY/KAY in say Navamsa is quite

important as it can show problems in getting married. A simple remedy such as visiting the

Shankaracharya or a Guru of high stature and asking for the blessing to get married would

suffice.

Sanjeev

I do not wanto encourage people to use the discussion boards to ask for chart readings, instead

i would refer them to my consultations-page for this.

Nevertheless, I would say that the placement of Ketu in the fifth and aspected by Rahu and

Mars is a reason for concern. Mainly because this is a curse of Sadhu and it can block your

progress in your profession (ketu in fifth and rahu in tenth from Moon) and give worries

related to children (fifth house).

To time exactly when this would be prominent we would need to rectify the D60 chart, but

with the current time Jupiters placement in the D60 can give the issues from 1998 onwards.

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5 af 66 18-03-2009 21:18

This is subject to change based on the D60.

I would give two remedies in such a case.

1. Worship Ganesha always. Ganesha will help you progress in your profession and life and

this is important when planets are in the fifth house, otherwise the punya gets delayed. This is

to be begun from a Wednesday morning.

2. The Vishnu Gayatri is the way out of the curse. The mantra is from the Rg Veda and begins

with: Tad Vishno Paramam Padam. This should be begun from a Thursday morning.

I hope this helps.


Vijay Kumar Says:


Dear Visti,

Many thanks for clearing my doubts. I have 2 more doubts as follows :

01.

You mentioned to Bharat that Om (name) Namah may be the starting point of any mahavidya

worship, if we dont have any sadhaka at hand to give the mantra. Since, mantras are very sensitive,

will it be possible to indicate names to be used in this mantra for all das-mahavidyas for general

guidance to all the readers.

Though, it is too much to bother you, but this being a sensitive point, it does require your approval.

Example, For Kamalatimaka, we might say Kamlatimaka/Kamlatmike/Kamala etc. Pl pardon me for

my ignorance on this point and guide.

02.

You mentioned in your lecture that Namahshivaya mantra is different than Shivaynamah. How is it

different in its plane where it works ?

Thanks,

Vijay Kumar

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Bharat Says:


Visti ji, My moon is in saggitarius so it makes venus to be 7th from moon and jupiter to be 8th from

moon. I read one of your other posts where the difference is stated between sarpa and amrita. I

guess mine is kalamrita yoga.

my birth chart is

lagna + Ketu - Aquarius

mar - taurus

sun + ven - Gemini

Jup + Mer - Cancer

Sat + Rah - Leo

Moon - Saggitarius

Sincerely, Bharat

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Sharat Says:17.


6 af 66 18-03-2009 21:18


Dear Bharat,

Namaskar,

If I can help you here:

Mo being in Sagg, with Aqu lagna, means that it is not KAY/KSY at all,as Moon is not between

Ra/Ke axis.

Rather there is Grah Mallika Yog, which is not so much restrictive as KSY, however complete birth

details will be helpful.

To understand about KSY/KAY, please read Vistis book or read the following link where Visti and

I have discussed about it: http://www.srigaruda.com/books/

Hope this helps

Regards

Sharat

Bharat Says:


Sharat ji, Thank you for pointing out the GMY. Basically i am a beginner and still experiencing

things. My DOB 09-07-1979, 22:00 Hrs IST, Loharu, India. I am not sure but i was very curious to

remedy it as none of my plans are working. Everything comes to 70% and cannot move any

forward. It looks as if all doors are closed for whatever i plan after 70% of work. Where can i get

more information about GMY.

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Sharat Says:


Hare Ram Krishna

Dear Bharat,

Namaskar,

This is Grah Mallika yoga where 8 planets( Moon is left out) are all lined up in a restrictive serp like

yog. This effects all the starts you make as the end of the yogais in 7H with Sun conjunct with

Rahu and this blocks all your results from fructifying.

With Ketu in lagna,Ganesh worship is a must to begin with and then do worship of Shiva form as

Lord Daskshinamurty.

Visti will correct me if I am wrong as I too have been learning from him and Sanjay jis teachings.

Hope this helps

Regards

Sharat

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Bharat Says:


Thank you sharat ji for your points. I guess the curse on top of GMY is making things really hard.

Visti ji, Namaskar

Can you please help me out in unlocking this grah mallika yoga. Is there any lecture of yours on

grah mallika yoga where i can understand more about it.

Sincerely, Bharat

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Tarun Garg Says:


Respected Visti Ji

Just a comment for the Horoscope of Asha Ji, above. Just happened to notice that sun is in MKS

and there are three malefics aspecting the bhava Leo and that is the 7th house. from 1973 to 1984

Leo and capricorn dasas ran in sucession and i believe the native could have seen some suffering

related to that 7th house.

Visti ji, Since 7th lord is in MKS and also in 12th house we could not help there, Also Ve the karaka

for the 7th house is cojoined in the 12th house and that cant be used, so do you think that tatwa

level Luxmi worship should be advised in this case.

Regards

Tarun

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Visti Larsen Says:


Dear Vijay, Bharat and Sharat Namaskar.

Vijay

The names I gave in the recording are specific to this. In fact when I answered the question on

the list I thought I was repeating myself. Go through the recording again.

Bharat and Sharat

Graha Malika Yoga does occur and both the starting and ending points are important. Here

they are both kendras which show good results, but we see that the ending point in the seventh

house is formed by Rahu and Saturn and this in turn causes a very strong Sarpa Yoga Bharat

has very big dreams!.. and they are not easy to satisfy even after all the hard work. As a result

there is a risk of Bharat going out of his way to attain something which will end up giving him a

dent on his reputation as this yoga happens in the tenth from arudha lagna. So this should be

the warning.

Now, the dispositor of this yoga is the Sun and he is the Atmakaraka in the fifth house. The

remedy is to meditate and pray to Shiva through which he will attain his desire. So put a

picture of Shiva with his wife in front of you and worship him with the panchakshari mantra.

This should do the trick.

Yes Sharat, this will also remedy the curse, and you must keep in mind that Sun is AK in the

fifth house and hence the specific remedy for panchakshari, shiva, etc.


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Visti Larsen Says:


Dear Tarun, Namaskar.

For MKS we advise the aditya of the karaka of the house wherein the MKS happens. I.e. for

Sun in twelfth it should be Varuna-aditya.

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8 af 66 18-03-2009 21:18

Rest looks good. Nice interpretation.


Bharat Says:


Thank you visti ji. I shall go by your suggestion. I will do the panchakshari mantra to please lord

shiva. I hope the mantra Om hrim namah shivaya guides me further. I want to make use of the

eclipse so is it good if i keep on chanting during the complete eclipse period and a count of

108/1008 times a day.

Sincerely

Bharat

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Jill Says:

March 16th, 2007 at 10:34 pm

Namaste Vistiji:

My friend has a son who is schizophrenic. His is not quite a Kal Sarpa Yoga since Saturn is outside

of the Rahu/Ketu axis. However, Venus is lagna lord and debillitated in 12th house and hemmed in

by Sun and Mars and then Parivartana yoga with 12th lord in 1st house with Ketu.

Can you kindly suggest some remedy? Im thinking that the Venus should be strengthened - yes?

DOB: October 8, 1966

Time: 8.01 am

Place: Long Beach, CA USA

Thank you for your suggestions.

Namaskar,

Jill

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Visti Larsen Says:


Dear Jill, Namaskar

So far the best class or workshop on remedies that I can recommend is the JEEVA course

(http://www.jiva.us/) which is taught by Pt. Sanjay Rath.

Otherwise I will be teaching what has been personally taught to me by Sanjayji through the

tradition.

In the chart you gave there need not be a kala sarpa/amrita yoga to cause the particular

problem. In fact if you see that same Venus that you mentioned, its junction with Sun and

ASPECT of retrograde Saturn makes up for a tough curse of spouse to experience.

The remedy is as you have said through the placement of Venus. Here Mercury is the

dispositor in the lagna and hence we can advise worship of Sri Vyasadeva.

If you see this site: http://srijagannath.org/spirit/mrtyunjaya.htm

You will find such an appropriate mantra for Vyasadeva who will bless the native and child

with good health and intelligence. But, that retrograde Saturn is a tough cookie to crack I must

admit. Such curses dont go away, but they can be minimized.

I hope this helps.


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Tarun Garg Says:


Respected Guru Ji

Thanks for that tip on MKS remedy. So the Aditya mantra would be om ghrinih varunaditya or Om

ghrini Varunaya namah? Also another aspect of the remedies that i would like to understand is that

what remedy to give if the planet is debilitated in the chart,

Also I present here a case study on the remedies that were prescribed to a native by Nadi readers in

hyderabad. Those remedies have wonderfully worked for the native. maybe there is some learnings

from the same.

I would like to have comments from you on the same.

birth details

5 Nov 1974, 18:07:03, Ludhiana India.

Taurus Lagna and sun debilitated in the 6th house. The natives mother has constat problems with

high blood pressure . Also her domestic happiness has constant issues. Venus is in MKS in the 6th

house and the native suffered a terrible accident in 1986. (Li Mahadasa. Taurus Antardasa gave the

accident Ma is cursing planet and 12th lord (Hospitalization), She was in terrible state all along the

Ta antardasa plastered to almost the complete body all from belly down. There was little hope that

she could walk again ever. Somehow Jupiter in 10th house is aspecting and due to her fathers

efforts and constant fighting she recovered and was able to come to normal state. Thankfully

enough the phase has passed. Also notice that Me the 5th lord joins the curse and there is a

secondary curse on him too. The native could not beget a child even after 8 years of marriage

mainly because of initimacy issues with the spouse curse on venus and 12th/7th (Ma) lord joins the

curse.

Now the native went to Nadi reader in Hyderabad and they advised the following remedies.

1. On sankat Chauth (Chaturthi) she was advised to go to Ganesh Temple and do 5 kinds of

abhishekam coconut milk, honey, sandal, ghee and milk. archana with 5 lamps. 32 times parikrama.

same day donate books and clothes and sweets to a child below 10years ( curse of mercury?).

2. 10th day from amavasya( That means Dasmi) archana of a tulsi Mala to Vishnu Temple.

(Mercury?) but why the tithi of Dasmi?

3. shani abhiskam on saturday with coconut milk, til oil, and milk. 8 parikramas. Sani is afflicting

the moon. So i think that could be reason for that. And also Sani is Karaka for the 6th house where

the curse is.

This is the most wierd one and I cant figure that one out.

4. On 11 sundays consecutively go to a Durga Temple in rahu Kalam and offer a Garland of 32

lemons. Light 11 lamps and do the parikrama 11 times. Also light lamps to the Navagraha after

doing this pooja and Parikrama.

I could not understand that one. Rahu is in Scorpio and as we prescribe the Kalachakra remedies we

would have asked for Durga worship on a Tuesday (Mars rules the Vara where rahu is placed), why

sunday? Clearly the remedy is for rahus affliction to the 7th house. Durga diety and also rahu

Kalam but the Vara of Sunday eludes me. are we missing something here?

And what could be the significance of the numbers in all these remedies.

32 parikramas of sri ganesha.

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11 Parikramas of Ma Durga with 11 lamps.

32 Lemons in the garland. That could be attributed to the 32 names of Ma durga. and lemons are

representing the heads (Mundas) thus we are worshipping Ma in the form of Chamundi I think in

this case.

I just thought that i would post this information that I have and that could help us do some more

research and knowledge of all.

Hope to hear your thoughts and comments on that

Your shishya

Tarun

Tarun Garg Says:


respected Guru Ji

Correction. the 10th day from the Amavasya does not equate to Dasami necessarily as the tithis can

be more than 1 day or less. so it seems that there is some other logic. 10th house lord is rahu and he

rules amavasya. And 10th karaka is Mercury and we are worshipping Vishnu with the tulsi Mala.

Could not think of anything else

Waiting for your comments

Tarun

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Reema Sriganesh Says:


|| Hare Rama Krushna ||

Namaste Vistiji,

This was an excellent lecture and very timely, too! Cant wait for

the lecture on Badhaka remedies.

I have one question regarding determination of the curse that would

end up giving most suffering. If in a chart we have two benefics which

are conjoined each other and are afflicted by two or more planets

then how do we determine which benefic will end up giving more

suffering to the native? For example, Jupiter and Venus conjoined

in a bhava and afflicted by graha drishti of Mars and Saturn. Here,

should we just assume that curse of Jupiter will act as primary curse and

will give more suffering given that Jupiter is a higher benefic?

Or should we take the longitude of the benefics into consideration to

determine which curse will end up giving the most suffering and

hence should be remedied first?

Thank you.

May Sri Vishnu bless us all,

Reema.

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Krishna Says:


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11 af 66 18-03-2009 21:18

Dear Visti,

Thanks for giving a clear lecture on remedies. I have really learnt a lot.

I would like to get clarifications for a couple of questions that I have:

- While determining the intensity of a curse, do we consider the status of a

malefic causing the curse? For example, (dob:7-Sep-1958, tob:6-15am, pob: Bangalore),

Mars is involved in more than one curse. However, Mars is a yogakaraka sitting in

a Kendra and exalted in Navamsa. My question is, whether mars is till should

be considered as contributing the curse?

- Should we look at the proxymity of planets when in same Rasi. In the above

example thous Mars and Moon are in same Rasi, they are more than 20 degrees

away. Is the curse as severe as say when they are less than 12 degrees apart?

Looking for your answers.

Thanks,

Krishna

Shishya Dheena Says:


Dear Reema Ji,Namaskar.

With the permission of Guru Ji let me pen down the information for your clarification request. As

per Guru Jis dictum first you have to consider the order of benefic planets only. The primary curse

will be from the most benefic as you have written. At the same time we have to use our intuition (to

me it is Guru Jis blessings) to arrive at correct conclusion as it was discussed in the case of Hitlers

chart. Priest was hurt and his wife cursed, this way the main curse due priest was triggered by

wifes sapa.

With respects to Guru ji.

Sincerely, S.Dheenadayalan

31.

Sanjeev Says:

March 19th, 2007 at 11:18 am

Dear Visti ji,

In your lecture on Remedies for Curses I need the following clarifications :

A)Guru of the lord of the sign in which curse is

A.1)What is the Vaishnav Guru, other than Dattatreya for Mercury ?

A.2)What is the Guru for Jupiter ?

A.3)What are the 9 Mahavidyas and how do we arrive at them for Moon ?

A.4)What are the 4 Vedamurtis and how do we arrive at them for Ketu ?

B)What is the Pratyadidevta for Saturn ?

C)Is the Dev for Lagna the Gayatri that we know of ? You mentioned Bramha Gayatri - what is that

?

D)What is Vishnu Gayatri Mantra ?

E) Are there various Gauatri mantras ? How many ? What are they ?

Sorry to put so many questions but I believe if I get the answers of all these, my understanding for

Curses and Remedy would be fucntional. I am marching ahead fast to accept you as my Guru.

Regards.

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Sanjeev Says:


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With Rahu and Ketu always opposite to each other,

the chances of them getting cursed is always higher than

other planets. Are Ketu and Rahu curses more commonly seen ?

Sharat Says:

March 19th, 2007 at 10:56 pm

Hare Ram Krishna

Dear Sanjeev,

Namaskar,

If I may answer your Qs and I am sure Guru Visti will correct me.

A.Guru of the Lord of the sign is chosen as per the scheme already given

by Visti. It may not be the sign where the curse is, if its lord is also

involved in the curse.

A1.Guru Vyasdeva

A2.Guru Brihaspati

A3.You need to read about the Mahavidyas from VRA by Guru Sanjay Rath

and his paper on the same which is in the files section of the Sohamsa

Group. This forum will not be appropriate to write about their details.

A4.A discussion on Vedmurti is on this website, if you browse the

articles section

B.Lord Narayana

C.Dharma Gayatri, refers to the Vishnu avtar- Vamana, Ref to Rig Veda

1.22.18

D.Vishnu Gayatri is from Rig Veda 1.22.20. Please refer to it.

Both above Gayatris can be easily seen from Rig Veda and I would need

Vistis permission for the same to be listed on public forum as I

know he prefers not to do the same.

E.There are many Gayatri chhandas, please refer to VRA if you are keen

to learn some more.

All the best.

Regards

Sharat

34.

Sanjeev Says:


Dear Sharat,

Namaskar.

Thanks for the answers.

If you could also comment on the second query I posted.

Regards

Sanjeev

35.

Sishya dheena Says:


OM NAMAH SHIVAAYA

Dear Guru ji, Namaskar

Dear Sharat ji with Guru JIs permission let me pen down as I have learned the Priatyadidevata for

Saturn is Kalagni.

A4)ctoe] Regarding Gayatri, my personal feeling in expressing our thoughts should be in a simpler

way as Guru ji and Parama Guru Ji do.

My understanding is as follows:

b) Gayatri is not the name of any mantra. Gayatri is Chanda. Savitur Mantra in Gayatri Chanda is

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generally known as Gayatri mantra and all the mantras in Gayatri Chanda is called as Gayatri

mantra of respective deities.

The term respective deities means, Almost all deities have Gayatri mantra, means too many

Gayatri..

c) To my novice knowledge if Savitur mantra is recited in gayatri chand just before Sun rise it is

Bramha Gayatri, if at noon Vishnu Gayatri, at Sunset SivaGayatri and at mid night Kali Gayatri.

This is like the same person known as father to his children, son to his father, Husband to his wife

and brother to his co-born.

With respects to Guru Ji.

Sanjeev Says:


Dear Sisya dheena ji, Namaskar.

Thanks for your views.

I think what Guruji said in his lecture for

Pratyadideve for Saturn was - Visnhu-Narain -

Mercury is more of Vishnu and Saturn is more of Narayan and so what

Sharat ji wrote is apt as per Parashar listing.

Your views on Gayatri is interesting, conceptually.

regards

sanjeev

37.

Sharat Says:


Hare Ram Krishna

Dear Dheena,

I understand what you are saying about the Gaytari chanting as per the

Sun position, which is right.

I have mentioned the specific gayatri chhandas of Vishnuji, as they are

chanted for specific purpose of Vishnu worship.

Regarding Pratyadi devta for Saturn, I have read/heard differing names:

Sanjay ji specifically mentions Lord Brahma Prajapati, Visti has mentioned

Narayana,and one of Rafals papers mentions Kalagni/Kali as well.

Sanjay ji also mentions Indra as Pratyadi devta for Shukra,while Laxmi

is mentioned by others and for Mars he mentions Aditya.

Perhaps Guru Visti will clarify and may be we can have an updated list

of Adi and Pratyadi devtas.

Regards

Sharat

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Visti Larsen Says:


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Dear Tarun, Reema, Krishna, Namaskar

Tarun

I didnt forget you. Its an excellent case study of which EXACT remedy to give for certain

afflictions. I will be answering this query in detail soon.

Reema

Keep in mind that no matter which of the two planets is more afflicted, the remedy would stay

the same.

Krishna

Yes we do consider the status of the malefic planet. It will tell us exactly how bad the curse

will be. Take Sri Ramas chart and you will see how an exalted yogakaraka Mars in his curse

made him go to war for his wife.


Visti Larsen Says:


Dear Sanjeev, Sharat and Dheena, Namaskar

Here are my answers and commentary on the same.

A)Guru of the lord of the sign in which curse is

A.1)What is the Vaishnav Guru, other than Dattatreya for Mercury ?

Answer: Vyasa is commonly accepted.

A.2)What is the Guru for Jupiter ?

Answer: Brhaspati. I believe i have mentioned these by name in the recording.

A.3)What are the 9 Mahavidyas and how do we arrive at them for Moon ?

Answer: I have also mentioned these in the recording. Here i will mention them with the names

one can do Nama japa of. Beginning from the Sun and ending with Ketu they are:

Matangi, Bhuvanesvari, Bagaladevi, Parasundari (Tripurasundari or Shodasi are other forms),

Tara, Kamalatmika, Dakshniakali (Kali), Chinnamasta and Dhoomavati

A.4)What are the 4 Vedamurtis and how do we arrive at them for Ketu ?

Answer: There are infact five vedamurtis where the fifth one is Sarvaveda, i.e. all the vedas.

Based on the tatva of the planet Ketu is joined, or if none then the sign placement the murtis

are:

Agni: Hanumukha (Atharvaveda - Hanuman)

Vayu: Hayamukha (Yajurveda - Hayagreeva)

Akasha: Gajamukha (Sarvaveda - Ganesha)

Prthvi: Ajamukha (Samaveda - Shiva as Ajaikapada)

Jala: Nandimukha or Gomukha (Rgveda - Nandi, the one who upholds Dharma/Shiva)

B)What is the Pratyadidevta for Saturn ?

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Answer: Pt. Sanjay Rath presented during the Delhi 06 conference that Kalagni is the

Prayadidevata whilst Brahmaa is the Adhidevata. This is fully acceptable and this is why

Rudra worship is advised for Saturn at time, especially in matters of health. Brahmaa (note

long a is Prajapati Brahmaa whereas short a refers to the Brahman or actual creator of

Brahmaa) as Prajapati is the Adhidevata of Saturn and this is also what Parasara says.

However, Parasara advises us to worship Saturn as Narayana/Vishnu and when in doubt we

should follow the advise of Parasara and Jaimini who both ask us to worship Narayana to

appease Saturn. For appeasing of Saturn in curses i advise Narayana.

C)Is the Dev for Lagna the Gayatri that we know of ? You mentioned Bramha Gayatri - what

is that ?

Answer: Brahma Gayatri is the mantra given at the Upanayana ceremony. Gayatri itself is a

rhythm/chandah and there are many mantras in this chandah. Take Om Namo Narayanaya..

its in Gayatri Chandah.

Also Gayatri refers to the four gandas or junctions of the day, namely sunrise, midday, sunset

and midnight. It is said that worship during these times give us a direct link/connection with

God and are very auspicious time to worship, but inauspicious to start new activities as they

are times of transformation.

The Savitur Gayatri is NEVER recited at night and this is forbidden. However the three

sandhyas of sunrise, midday and sunset are the times for the sandhyavandana which is

performed by those who have received the sacred thread Atleast this is when they are

supposed to do it.

D)What is Vishnu Gayatri Mantra ?

Answer: read Rgveda. Sharat has also given a few options from the same.

E) Are there various Gauatri mantras ? How many ? What are they ?

Sorry to put so many questions but I believe if I get the answers of all these, my understanding

for Curses and Remedy would be functional. I am marching ahead fast to accept you as my

Guru.

Answer: No marching here, we need ahimsa (non violence) to learn the Veda and Jyotish is an

Anga of the same Veda (refer Prasna Marga). And anyway we have lots of time to learn.

As for Guru, I am a teacher of Sri Jagannath Center and am bound by my vicinity to accept

students. Select a Guru in your vicinity based on the list and location given at this site:

http://srijagannath.org/parampara/jyotishguru.htm


Sanjay Mehta Says:

March 21st, 2007 at 7:56 am

Dear Visti ji,

Hare Rama Krishna

What a smooth lecture on kala sarpa/amrita yoga! It gave a clear piture for beginner to grab the

concept.

Could you please shed some light on how the kaala sarpa yoga differs from the sarpa yoga.

From your lecture I got the understanding of kalasarpa yoga but about the sarpa yoga I read in

the book Vedic Remedies by Guru Sanjay Rath, that this yoga is caused by the placement of

malefics in kendras.

What will be the general effects of it and how to give remedies for it.

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Does it matter that one of the malefic is yogkarka or not?

In my own chart I do have 3 malefics in kendras,

Lagna is Tula with Rahu in it,

ke in 7th house,

Sat in 10th house,

Mo in 5th

Ju(R) in 6th,

Ma in 9th,

Su in 12th

Me(R) 12th

There is parivertana in 10th and 5th Lord i,e Mo and Sa.

Do you think that this parivertana to some extent modifies the

sarpa yoga.

Any suggestion for Remedies

With regards

Visti Larsen Says:

March 21st, 2007 at 7:11 pm

Dear Sanjay Mehta, Namaskar

Sarpa Yoga causes intense desires and almost impossible dreams to fulfil if it is complete. It

also risks giving the person association with criminals and cruel people. For dual signs this can

give terrible handicaps if the lagna isnt strong. Its not an easy yoga at all.

The lordship of these malefics in kendra show WHAT is the purpose of the sarpa i.e. is it

to bring money, wealth, etc.

The relieving factor is a benefic in kendra who should be strengthened/worshiped. If none then

there is a Dattatreya mantra advised to protect the native. Parivartana and other yogas will

always modify the yogas but its still sarpa yoga.

My advise is to you is to recite the Dattatreya Raksha mantra given in Vedic Remedies in

Astrology .


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Suneet Says:

March 22nd, 2007 at 8:01 am

Namaskar Guru Vistiji,

My under query is regarding the following chart which is combination of KSY/KAY, curse and

badhka

I am giving details of one chart DOB 22 June 2002 DOT 6:40PM Place Gurgaon, Haryana, India

Lagna Scorpio, chandra and ketu in lagna, shani and rahu and

budh in 7th house, guru and mangal and surya in 8th house, shukra

in 9th house. Now for this chart what remedy should be given?

chandra is neech and cursed with ketu and aspected by rahu and shani,

budh is also under curse cojoined shani,rahu

guru in 8th house

shukra in badhka sthana 9th house for scorpio lagna

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Can you please write what remedy should pe given here for removing KSY/KAY effects ?

Visti Larsen Says:

March 22nd, 2007 at 12:44 pm

Dear Suneet, Namaskar

Either Bhuvanesvari or Tripura is fine in such a case. Bhuvanesvari would probably be

pertinent.

Yours sincerely, Visti

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Bharat Says:

March 22nd, 2007 at 3:38 pm

Namaskar Visti ji,

I am trying to do the panchakshari mantra as suggested by you. I am getting hurdles in between i.e

situation not letting me continue what i am trying to do. Can i apply any external energy like gems

to make sure i stick to what i am supposed to do with out getting a second thought in my mind.

Because a couple of days the situation is trying to divert my mind and creating worries in some

other part of life. Is there any thing like we can get help from external energy to make sure we are

not out of path. It always happens like this with me when i try to concentrate. Any suggestion for

any kind of gem if required or is it just the sarpa which is becoming obstacle again. I give my details

again 9-jul-79, 22:00 IST, Loharu, India. Please help as i am very desperate to control the sarpa.

By the way i had used blue sapphire and diamond last year and recently i removed thinking they are

doing bad to me.

Sincerely

Bharat

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Visti Larsen Says:

March 22nd, 2007 at 3:47 pm

Dear Bharat

Your Shiva mantra is supposed to solve your whole life and not just parts of it. Make sure you

worship Ganesha before begining the shiv a mantra.

Heres some Ganesha upadesa. Shashi(mind/moon) - Ankusha (goad/control/supression)

mantra: sashyanka namah shivaaya| Do this for atleast 2 malas before reciting the mantra.


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Tarun Garg Says:

March 23rd, 2007 at 7:55 am

Dear Bharat,

Just a comment though, I seem to remember that in the VRY book in the mantra shastra part Pt.

Rath has advised a method of selecting aksharas on the name of the devotee. In my case and also in

your case our name is of 3 aksharas bh - ra - ta/ Ta ru na and that make s 3 + 5(from the mantra) =

8 and he has advised strictly against it. thats why i usually take the shadakshari mantras and avoid

panchakshari mantras.

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Maybe Guru Ji can comment on the same

With warm regards

Tarun Garg

Vijay Kumar Says:

March 23rd, 2007 at 11:42 am

Dear Visti,

I have come across a case of KSY : Male : 18-6-1977, 0815 Hrs IST, Bombay (18N58, 72E50).

This person has continued losses in business which he is doing with his father. He is yet un-married,

far from any settlement.

KSY yoga exist in the chart involving 3/9th house with Saturn in Lagna, Jupiter in 11th house

(badhaka house) and Venus in 10H. There is a noticeable kalatrashapa built by the association of

Mars and Saturn in 10th house.

I feel that due to Kalatra shapa, the marriage is eluding. Since, this shrapa happens in 10th house,

profession is on toss. On the top of it the cursed planet Venus is debilitated both in D-9 and D-10.

Thus, I feel this person is handicapped in both areas of profession and marriage mainly due to this

curse.

How to proceed to break this KSY, more so when there is a significant curse as well. Should the

Saturn be propitiated as it associates with Lagna or Venus which is the most benefic planet placed

in Kendra (10th house) and visibly shows the problem areas in profession and marriage ?

Please help me to understand more on this chart, as I am not able to proceed further.

Thanks,

Vijay Kumar

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Visti Larsen Says:

March 23rd, 2007 at 2:06 pm

Dear Tarun and Vijay, Namaskar.

Tarun

You will also find in VRA that this doesnt apply to Prasiddha mantras. Namah Shivaaya is a

prasiddha mantra.

Vijay

Now this is surely a predicament. He has Saturn on his lagna, aspecting arudha lagna and

upapada a bachelor is born. Now because there are planets joining Upapada and Arudha

lagna, this should now have been a problem at all, yet because Saturn has had his dasa since

his 19th year of age and is still running we have a problem.

Now, if Venus is auspicious then marriage is supposed to happen between 12-32 years of age.

Here the Darakaraka (marriage/spouse) is in MKS (6th) from Venus, whilst the seventh lord

Saturn is in inimical house (4th-pachakadi sambandha) from Venus.

The next period is that from Jupiter from 33-50 years of age. Jupiter aspects the seventh, gives

argala to karaka Venus, labhaargala to seventh lord Saturn, but is placed in MKS (9th) from

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Darakaraka Rahu. This is an issue but hopefully Jupiters dristi on Rahu will lead towards

marriage.

To make Saturn auspicious advise him to go on pilgrimage (tenth house-upapada) to visit the

Shankaracharya (Guru/Surya removes all dosha from nodes and Saturn). Here he should ask

for the blessing to marry. In addition a Mantra for Sri Tara would help towards breaking the

Kala Sarpa Yoga.

Heres another example:

Date: July 3, 1958

Time: 9:33:40 am

Time Zone: 1:00:00 (East of GMT)

Place: 12 E 35 00, 55 N 40 00

In this chart the darakaraka is Mercury and Venus gives it Argala from the eleventh therefrom.

There are no inimical placements here. But the Argala of Venus is blocked by the Atmakaraka

(Jupiter) showing that some important life-experiences will make the person avoid marriage

between 12-32. The seventh lords are either Saturn or Rahu. Whilst Venus aspects Saturn by

graha dristi and promotes relationships during its period, Rahu is placed in MKS (6th) from

Venus. The native didnt marry during the entire Venus naisargika dasa from 12-32 years of

age.

So why was Rahu more dominant than Saturn in such a case?.. look at the twelfth house and

tell me the answer.


Vijay Kumar Says:


Dear Visti,

Thanks for your illuminating reply. I have appreciated the use of naisargik dasha and pachakadi

sambandha.

In the example case, you asked, why Rahu was more dominant in denying the marriage. My feeling

is that out of Saturn and Rahu as 7th lord, Rahu falls in 7th to Upapada lagna, thus it became

dominant to block the marriege in addition to being in MKS from Venus (karaka). Am I on the right

track ?

May I examine the similar approach to examine the naisargik dasha on the chart details given by me

earlier at sl. No. 7 (18-08-1978, 0326Hrs IST, Allahabad).

In this chart, let me attempt to examine, if the native would marry in the naisargik dasha age of

12-32 years as follows.

01.

I observe that Saturn aspects by sign aspect to arudha (Aries), by graha and sign aspect to Upapada

(Libra) and confers argala to lagna. This is similar to the earlier case and can we say, that the

marriage is too difficult for her. However, Lagna is occupied by exalted Jupiter aspecting 7H.

Arudha lord is conjunct with Karaka-Venus which is Upapada lord as well, though weak by

debilitation.

With this, can we say that the marriage seems to be promised, though with difficulty.

02.

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There is no planet in 4th and 6th to Venus. Darakaraka-Sun gets placed in 12th house to Venus and

works as temporal karaka to Venus (though Sun is natural Vedhka to Venus as well ?). Similarly, 7th

lord Saturn also gets placed in 12th to Saturn thus acts as strong karaka.

With this intent, can we say that the native may get married in naisargik Venus dasha age of 12-32

years. Here, Saturn strongly

works as the karaka of Venus; gets conjunct with DK-Sun and gives argala to Lagna. Can we say

that Saturn bhukti in Venus dasha would get her married ?

03.

Doubts :

# What are the implications of Venus placed in MKS from AL ?

# What are the implications of 7th lord Saturn weak in Suns sign and inimical to Darakaraka-SUN ?

Would it work to deny the marriage ?

# How does Sun (DK also) behave in 12th house to Venus for marital matters ?

# In order to smoothen the marriage and life thereafter, what shoul be strengthened or propitiated ?

Thanks for your continued support.

Vijay Kumar

Hari Says:


|om|

Dear Vijay,

My apologies if I am seen to be intruding into your conversation with Visti.

My question is why must this jataka (18/08/1978, 0326 IST, Allahabad)force you so strongly to

search for the real truth that is hidden among the various dictums/principles of Jyotisa Shastra? You

have published extensively on Jaimini sutras in the Astrological Magazine, are quite learned to my

understanding and yet, in recent posts, it has always come back to this particular chart and the

many questions that remain unanswered. A look at this chart tells me that Guru is the 9th lord in

Karka lagna and thus the impact of father is very high indeed. Anyway, let me volunteer to answer

some of your questions on the analysis given by you in this forum.

01. Generally we look to see how well placed Venus or Jupiter is in navamsa when judging the

suitable naisargika dasa for marriage. In this chart, Shukra is in 12th to navamsa lagna (in MKS

from 7th house) while Guru is in navamsa lagna, that too vargottama. Thus, marriage appears more

likely in Guru naisargika dasa (32 - 50 years of age). Sarbani has done some research in this and

found that the antardasa of the DK often gives marriage so based on this research, I would say that

marriage is quite likely in Guru naisargika dasa - Sun antardasa. During this time, transit Guru is in

Meena rasi aspecting the 2nd from UL which further supports this observation.

02. Answered in 01 above.

03. From personal experience, I have seen that 7th lord Saturn in 2nd house (= second marriage)

gives two marriages provided that the second lord is weak. Here the saving grace is that Sun as the

second lord is strong in this chart.

To smoothen the marriage that is promised by Guru, it is essential to remedy first the patnishaapa in

the chart. I am sure that Visti should have pointed this out earlier and given remedies for the same.

After marriage, theres nothing like the Satyanarayana vratam done every Pournimasya.

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best regards

Hari

Vijay Kumar Says:


Dear Hari,

Thanks for your kind words. I do not have any experience in naisargik dasa delineation that is the

reason, I am learning it now. I do not think that repeating a chart for observations under new

principles does have a bar. We keep looking to our own charts all across our life and yet find it

showing a new flavour with the new principles at hand.

In case, if you find it handy, please refer me more sources to understand naisargik dasha. I am not

aware about Sarbanis research on DK. Where do I find the link ?

I have my sincere thanks for your observations on this chart. If you have more to say on this chart

or suggest me something more, you may use my e-mail id : [email protected], as further

discussions on this chart between us on this site link would seem flooding it where Q&A on KSY

etc would be more meaningful.

Thanks, Vijay Kumar

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Visti Larsen Says:

March 26th, 2007 at 10:45 am

Dear Hari and Vijay, Namaskar.

Speak as much as you like about the charts and all. People reading can only benefit and there

should be no restrictions to knowledge.

Hari

I have been taught this approach, reg. Navamsa as well from Freedom, but I have a very

stubborn approach to Jyotish, namely that if something as obvious as a delay in marriage is not

confirmed in the Rasi chart, then dont look for the details in Navamsa. And Sanjayji has

supported this opinion and in Delhi 2005 he gave us some hints as to see which events will

happen early or late. Particularly for Naisargika Dasa he advised me to check the relationship

between Darakaraka and Venus for marriage in the dasa of Venus.

There is also a lot to study in this regard but essentially it deals with analyzing the 12th, 9th

and 7th houses besides the charakarakas and other relationships.

Vijay

Heres an interesting dictum: ANY planet obstructs marriage if placed in the twelfth house.

Now go through the Vara chakra lessons and learn how to remove this obstruction and which

planet will do it! Your answer will be there.

Yours sincerely, Visti

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Vijay Kumar Says:


Dear Visti,

Thanks for allowing me to deliberate and get nearer to the answer regarding the deadlock of

marriage fixation in the chart referred (18-08-1978, 0326 Hrs IST, Allahabad).

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Taking cue from the hint you have given, I find the following 2 combinations looking from

Upapada.

01.

Upapada lord Venus is placed in 12th house from it thus marriage gets blocked by Venus itself. If

this alone is considered than

Venus has no 6, subtracting from 9 gives me 3 meaning Jupiter.

Since, Jupiter is exalted in Lagna aspecting 7th and 9th house, is exalted in D-9 Lagna also; it may

indicate the remedy for removing the obstruction of marriage by correcting the negativities of

Venus.

02.

Venus, Mars and Rahu collectively fall in the 12th house from Upapada causing obsrtuction in

marriage. The planetary number totals to 6+9+4=19 which results to 1 after expunging the multiples

of 9. Subtracting this number from 9, I get 8 meaning Saturn which is the 7th lord itself.

However, I do not find Saturn to be very strongly placed in D-1, thus not sure if remedy lies here.

But, Saturn falls in 5th house from AK in D-9, thus Saturn may be resorted for worship and may be

more suitable as it falls from D-9 lagna as well.

Do you approve this finding or I am missing something yet more important !

Thus, with my limited awareness, I am able to rest upon Jupiter and/or Saturn to break the deadlock

in marriage fixation.

If worship of Jupiter/Saturn is the solution, how to approach the worship.

Your kind advice is requested.

Vijay Kumar

Vijay Kumar Says:


Typo to the message..54

The para towards the end reads like this :

However, I do not find Saturn to be very strongly placed in D-1, thus not sure if remedy lies here.

But, Saturn falls in 5th house from AK in D-9, thus Saturn may be resorted for worship and may be

more suitable as it falls in 12th house from D-9 lagna as well.

Sorry for the mistake by oversight.

Regards,

Vijay Kumar

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Hari Says:


|om|

Dear Visti and Vijay, namaste

Vijay,

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Sanjay has written an article on naisargika dasa principles and its calculations and I have written an

article on the same with reference to Sri Lahiri Mahasayas chart. Both are published in the Jyotish

Digest but the article by Sanjay should be available in his website srath.com. The reference to

Sarbanis research is from a personal conversation with her. The classical reference for naisargika

dasa is of course in Varahamihiras Brihat Jataka. Bear in mind that the great Varahamihira used

only two dasas: Moola and naisargika dasa.

Visti,

In Singapore, Sanjay gave a masterclass on timing marriage using naisargika dasa. He took several

blind charts and always identified the correct dasa-antardasa in which the marriage happened. From

that class, I learnt that he always checks the relative position of Shukra/Guru in

navamsagenerally the charts taken by him were of cases where either Shukra or Guru was well

placed in navamsa. I didnt see any cases where both Guru and Venus were equally well-placed in

navamsa so it is quite possible that the rules you cite should apply here. And in my own experience,

I have always found this working well. And if theres some delay indicated in the rasi chart, it

should show up in the navamsa.

Now to the clue you gave for Vijay: Any planet placed in the twelfth house blocks marriage. I

assume that you refer to the 12th house with respect to lagnado you say this because the 12th

house has virodhargala on the 7th house? But then, 12th house is also the house of bed-pleasures so

its a upachaya for the 7th house. Which comes first?

And with reference to the chart given by Vijay, I think you refer to the planets in the 12th house of

navamsa when giving this clue, is it not? Egad! I have Uccha Ketu in 12th house to lagna in

navamsado you mean to say it blocks the marriage?

best regards

Hari

Sharat Says:

March 26th, 2007 at 10:07 pm

Hare Ram Krishna

Dear Hari,

Since I cant access old issues of JD, will you be kind enough to send me your article on Naisargic

dasa.

Thanks

Sharat

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Vijay Kumar Says:


Dear Hari,

Which issue of JD has these articles (both yours and that of Sanjays). Is Sanjays article on his

website same as that published in JD ?

Thanks for your pointers on D-9, approved by Sh. Sanjay Rath. In fact, from the hint given by Visti,

I took the clue looking in 12th house from Upapada.

Let us wait for Vistis remarks.

Thanks for your help.

Vijay Kumar

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Visti Larsen Says:

March 28th, 2007 at 12:15 pm

Dear Hari and Vijay, Namaskar.

The twelfth house causes Sanyasa also. See we have two options to pay off our debts in life: 1)

take Sanyasa and 2) get married and have children. These are essentially the paths of Guru and

Shani. Shani is the karaka of the twelfth house and promotes Sanyasa, and its for this reason

that Venus in the twelfth in navamsa can completely deny marriage all together if Saturn isnt

well placed.

So, as a result Brighu states: if Jupiter is in the twelfth house and Ketu is in the seventh the

person will have affairs from the day of marriage itself.

Lets try to analyze why: Jupiter in the twelfth can deny marriage due to the teachers, elders,

etc. Now, as per the Varachakra it its Ketu which will undue Jupiters blockage (fifth graha-

remedy graha). But, if Ketu is placed in the seventh house then he will do so by causing affairs

as nodes in seventh can promote adultery. So in this case Brighu says that this position will

bring affairs from the beginning of marriage itself, i.e. Ketu will end Jupiters blockage to begin

the affairs ouch.

So who will save Mercury in the twelfth or Ketu?


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Sharat Says:

March 28th, 2007 at 12:30 pm

Hare Ram Krishna

Dear Visti,

Namaskar,

Interesting that Ketu in 7H blocks Ju in 12H and promotes affairs. So if Ju is strong, like it is in

mine and retrograde(12H), Ketu from 7H may not be able to completely block it ! So neither was

marriage blocked by Ju nor Ke gave affairs from day 1

Regards

Sharat

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Visti Larsen Says:


Dear Sharat, Namaskar.

You have misunderstood. It is Jupiter in the twelfth which blocks the marriage, and its Ketu

who removes the blockage. If Ketu is placed in the seventh house then when removing the

obstacle he gives adultery as well.

But, for adultery caused by Ketu there must be two conditions fulfilled: 1) Venus must join or

have rasi dristi on the second from upapada. 2) There must be a lack of children in the

marriage Ketus reason for giving marriage is to increase the family.


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Hari Says:


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|om|

Dear Sharat & Vijay, namaste

My article is available directly as a featured article at http://thejyotishdigest.com/jd2004/v3i3.htm

I checked up on the references I used in this article and from this, Sanjay presented his paper on

naisargika dasa in the 10th International Symposium on Vedic Astrology, Sedona, USA (2003) -

ACVA. But it should be available on his website which however seems to be under modification

currently. The link is:

http://srath.com/lessons/beginner/naisargikadasa.htm

Hope this helps you both.

Vijay,

Do consider a chart somewhat similar to the chart presented by you for the sake of further learning.

15/06/1978, 0955 hours IST (am), Chennai, India

Do tell me what you can deduce from this chart with respect to marriage. This chart is that of a

lady.

best regards

Hari

Sharat Says:


Hare Ram Krishna

Dear Visti,

Namaskar,

I get that, I think I didnt write it correctly. Ju in 12th blocks 7H as per virodhargala and Ketu

unblocks as per varachakra. What if both are in 12H? Will that mean both will promote sanyaas?

Then we look at Venus and if that is afflicted as well!!

Regards

Sharat

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Hari Says:


|om|

Dear Visti, namaste

Thanks for explaining the hint. In your article, you state that the upaya graha should be found from

that graha corresponding to the number obtained after deducting the resultant number of the

problem-causing grahas from nine.

In the example you gave about Guru in vyaya-amsa blocking the marriage, Gurus number is 3 and

hence the upaya graha should be that corresponding to 9-3 = 6 or Shukra. But in your email, you

say that the upaya graha should be reckoned as the fifth from the problem causing graha. Please

clarify.

For Budha in the 12th, the upaya graha would be Mangal but Mangal is karaka for celibacy so how

can we advise that as remedy? Is this what you are driving at?

For Ketu in 12th, the upaya graha would be Moon; worship of Devi is best here.

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The paths of sanyasa marga and grihastha marga are essentially that of Sani and Guru respectively.

If Guru is in the 12th house, why would it work to block the marriage? It would be logical to expect

that Sani in 12th blocks the marriage as it would like to push the native on to sanyasa marga. But

then you say ANY graha in 12th blocks marriage; I can only conclude that this is because of

virodhargaala.

best regards

Hari

Visti Larsen Says:


Dear Hari, Namaskar.

Make sure you also listen to the Jaimini lecture on the Vara Chakra where i have added some

more calculations.

Yes, the twelfth gives virodha argala to the seventh and is also the natural marana karaka

sthana for the same.

Yours sincerley, Visti Larsen.

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SK Says:


Dear Visti,

Namaskar,

I have a question regarding ketu in curses. You have mentioned in providing example chart for

curses that ketu is often not considered in analyzing for curses. However, you have also pointed out

that some consider ketu to be higher benefic than Venus.

Thus, if ketu and venus are both under influence of two malefics, who would cause more suffering

(considering house position, avastha being similar for both)?

Should the remedy be considered for bhava lord of ketu or venus?

I would greatly appreciate your guidance in this. I am thoroughly confused about ketus influence in

curses.

Regards,

SK

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Visti Larsen Says:

March 29th, 2007 at 10:07 am

Dear SK, Namaskar.

Ketu can cause a curse of sadhu whereas Venus gives the curse of wife. The sadhu practices

mantras every morning an is in deep meditation on Brahman, so his/her words will truly carry a

lot of weight.

Now you have misunderstood the mp3 slightly, but thats ok as its not easy to grasp. When

giving the specific remedy we are concerned with which curse is causing MORE suffering. I

gave examples of this in the lecture where in one case a curse on Venus was giving more

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suffering than that of Jupiter. So you still need to solve this methodology.

But, when both house position, avastha, etc. are the same then look for the following

influences:

1) conjunction of atmakaraka.

2) conjunction of lagna lord.

3) conjunction of eighth lord.

The influence of these makes the suffering more personal as it affects the native directly

such a curse is difficult to forget. Without the influence of these the curse will pass over

without a direct impact on the native.

If you still cant conclude from this, consider Ketu as more benefic than Venus in this regard.


SK Says:

March 30th, 2007 at 11:49 pm

Dear Visti,

Namaskar,

Thank you for detailed explanations and clarifying my doubts on this and devabadhaka.

In order arrive at a specific remedy for a curse, we have to identify the planet giving most suffering.

From my current understanding I have come up with the following order to identify this planet:

1. Planet aspected by highest number of malefics

2. Planet in dusthana

3. Planet otherwise afflicted and in weakness (Debilitation in Rasi, Navamsa, MKS, etc)

4. Planet in conjunction with AK

5. Planet in conjunction with Lagna Lord

6. Planet in conjunction with 8th Lord

7. If all the things above are same, the highest benefic among planets under curse

If the two planets under curse are Ketu and Venus, then I would have to check these conditions to

see which causes more suffering. From your reply, I understand that if the conditions 1-6 in the list

doesnt apply then Ketu should be considered as the planet causing most suffering than Venus.

Please indicate if the above order of identifying the planet causing most suffering is correct.

I am grateful for this opportunity to learn from you.

Regards,

SK

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Sharat Says:


||Namah Shivaye||

Dear Visti,

Namaskar,

I wanted to clarify about the 12th house graha for remedy.

We use the Vishnu form as per dictum, when using foroverall progress towards Mukti ,we use a

dwadakshari mantra.

What mantra do we use when we want to pray to this graha for the houses it is karaka of? Do we

just drop bhagwate from the dwadakshari?

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You also gave example that we may go straight to Vishnu himself and use the vasuadevaya mantra.

Did I get that right?

Please advise, thanks.

Regards

Sharat

Visti Larsen Says:


Dear Sharat and SK, Namaskar.

SK: Yes, its all correct.

Sharat: We normally choose the Pratyadhi devata for this purpose.


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Sharat Says:


||Namah Shivaye||

Dear Visti,

Namaskar,

I know what you mean, to worship the karaka, we use pratyadi devta.

I meant to ask the mantra syllables for Vishnu form of deity as per planet in the 12 H.

Sanjayji in one his lectures says if there is a planet in 12H, its karakas benefit if the graha is

worshipped as Vishnu form. Should we not then not use the dasa-avtaar and their dwadakshari

mantra? If so then it works like the Ishta devta mantra dictum? Isnt that right?

Regards

Sharat

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Visti Larsen Says:

April 2nd, 2007 at 9:50 pm

Dear Sharat, Namaskar.

Keep in mind that a mantras syllables will decide the effect/focus of the mantra. If you want

moksha then twelve syllables is perfect. If you want the strength and ability to face the world

and become a better human being then the eight syllable mantra is the best, and is my personal

preference.

Yours sincerely, Visti Larsen

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Sharat Says:

April 2nd, 2007 at 10:37 pm

||Namah Shivaye||

Dear Visti,

Namaskar,

Thanks, thats what I thought as well. In fact you did express this preference for the ashtakshari in

your lecture on Ishta.

Regards

Sharat

PS:Looks like that there wasnt a Jaimini class on Sunday.

All the best

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Hari Says:

April 3rd, 2007 at 5:04 pm

|om|

Dear Visti,

If you dont mind, I am posting here a case in which I have been unable to trace the precise cause

of delay in marriage for the native. The native is male, in good health, a very good cricketer (state-

level), a Ph.D. in biochemistry, a postdoctoral researcher in a government-funded research institute

and currently active in the cricket circles of his current residence.

All my predictions for timing of marriage have failed in this case. Could you please analyse what is

the cause for delay of marriage in this chart, suitable remedies and timing of marriage event?

September 21, 1970

0:25:54, Chennai, Vepery, India (80E16, 13N05), +5H30

thanks and best regards

Hari

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Anna Says:

April 4th, 2007 at 10:26 pm

Hello Visti,

Quick Q re your post #58:

When choosing between Venus and Ketu, you chose Ketu as more beneficial. I believe that in

mundane matters Venus is morr beneficial, Ketu perhaps for spiritual ones- just Naisargika karakas

significations.

In many charts Ive seen ketu MD, AD to be very humbling experience /let alone joyful/, while in

Ve MD there is always some natural signs of joy /remember better bad day fishing than good day

working?/

This is my perception on this-

I am so curious to know the reasons why you consider Ketu to more benefic than Venus.

Many astrologers see ketu as a malefic, and Sanjay seems to disagree completely this. Would you

elaborate on this issue please- Ketu, natural benefic.

I feel a gap, sort of, in getting deeper understanding of Ketus nature. Although I experienced

personally ketu MD in my childhood - it was very confusing, primarily and NOT good for my father

at all /Ke is in 2nd/

I am not sure, but can be that religiosity has become inseparable part of my nature at that time,

although Id say that I quickly, effortlessly, spontaneously picked up my familys religious beliefs

since my early childhood, particularly those of my precious loving mother- has ketu MD provided

the framework for that?

Love,

Anna

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Sanjeev Says:


Dear Anna,

My understanding of Ketu Vs Venus is similar to yours. A tamil proverb is - Nothing blesses like

Rahu and nothing curses like Ketu. I have nth number of examples of this.

Visti would through light on the specificity of the belief which we may not have understood

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entirely.

regards

sanjeev

Sharat Says:


||Namah Shivaye||

Dear Sanjeev and Anna,

If I may add my 2 cents on this:

Ketu is considered the most benefic after Jupiter, in matters of dharma, spirituality and moksha. He

shows you the Guru and is the natural mokshakaraka. Ketu also signifies knowledge as signified by

the Vedmurtis.

Natural Devta for Ketu are the Nagas, who are considered spiritual and a source of blessings. Ketu

is thus a benefic in these terms.

On the other hand in reference to material objectives, Ketu is headless and malefic, in the sense that

it does opposite of the accepted social order aka its ability to eclipse the Moon(Society).

This is how I understand this.

Regards

Sharat

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Anna Says:


Dear Sanjeev and Sharat,

Thanks for feedback. I feel that too, Sanjeev, about what you wrote about ketu, because nothing

teaches us so well as our personal experience, and Ive seen other peoples experiences to be

similar to mine. Sometimes it seems being devastating for persons life:confusion, mistakes, poor

judgment, lack of action, selfconfidence, and misunderstandings of all kind I have seen too many

times not to notice this.

As for spiritual side Sharat, I have experience as a child, which I havent forgotten, of living in a

muddy ocean,confussion, senses reduced to minimum, lack of understanding and sharpness of

mind Other people told me the same.

R. Koch lives ketu period and Zoran as well. They may share their first hand experience at different

age, which would certainly help us in understanding this shadow Ketu- yes, it proves to be headless,

literally and metaphorically!

Regards,

Anna

78.

Astroyogi Says:


Dear All,

Vistiji i have one query:

Snha lagna and karka navamsa :

mars and venus joining in second house despositor of venus and rasi r where venus exalted,jupiter

here, are in 4th house.

here that person having both planet mars and venus exalted in navamsa.

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i feel this is an extremely aupicious combination but true query: moreover suryamsa in rasi and

navamsa also venus..

what should be advised this person : i feel lakshmi mantra as being 10th lord venus in rasi and 10

lord exalted in navamsa

requesting you best lakshmi mantra if i am correct or any other bija mantra ?

Leoncio Says:


Dear Guru VistiJi, Namaskar

As I am a beginner, I am posting a chart that I am trying to understand with the help of many

concepts that I have listened from your records.

October, 24, 1990. Birth time: 07:50 am.

TZ 3 west.

46 west 58 28

23 south 01 47.

Please, let me know if my reasoning is correct. This chart is from a girl and it seems to be interesting

one. Initially, I tried to verify birth time multiplying lagna degree by 81 and the result fell in 26 gr.

Makara, indicating that some correction must be done. Then, I tried to understand a bit more of the

chart.

Badhaksthana is 9th house with Guru and Ketu. Guru is exalted in parivartana with Moon in second

house. Indication of Dharmic issue (9th house and Guru involved). Moon, the Badhakesh, is cursed

and Guru too. Sani conjunct Moon gives Raja Yoga although Saturn destroys Moon by Vara

Chakra. Jupiter also destroys Ketu by Vara Chakra.

In 12th Sun is in MKS, conjunct Sukra and Budha. Mercury eclipses Venus.

Mars in 7th aspects Lagna, indicating angry feelings directed to the native.

Sani is AK shows that she has to learn to have faith in herself. The girl does not have self

confidence, indicating by their Sun (Atman, ego) in 12th and Moon (mind) conjunct Sani. The girl

has great difficulty to make friends (Mars in 7th), possible to have marriage in future, too. Lack of

faith is because of Guru aspected by Rahu and Ketu, as well. Is her mother (Moon) or father (Sun)

suffering? And about spirituality, as ketu is destroied by Guru?

Please, what should be prescribed to the girl, because there seem to be many problems? How should

I continue to correct her birth chart?

Best Regards

Thank you very much

Leoncio

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Astroyogi Says:


Plz help on this matter. I am putting details of a native who is suffering from breast cancer. plz

respected members give your advise as thispatient is fighting tough battle.

12/12/1957

12:55 PM (0-24 hr)

ahmedabad

gender:female

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Leoncio Says:


Dear Visti Ji, Namaskar

Please, let me know if my reasoning is correct about chart sent by our colleague Astroyogi. I got

Aquarius lagna. Tula is bhadaksthana with Rahu, Mars and Jupiter. The native seems to have Sarpa

Bhadaka, and Guru is cursed. Chukra is Bhadhakesh in 12th, receiveing the aspect of Sani,

indicating that Venus is cursed.

As Sani is conjunct Sun in Rasi and aspects Sun in Navamsa, there is a curse from father, too.

Since December 2004, native is living Cancer Narayana dasa that is 6th house (of diseases), 12th

from Moon. Moon receives the aspect of Sani too. Moon indicates health and vital fluids of the

native. Cancer receives the aspects of the Bhadhakesh Venus. This shows disease problem,

especially because venus and moon indicates internal vital energy, jala tatwa.

Since March, 18, 2007 the native is living in Rahu dasa. His mind is full of doubt and fear, not

helping any treatment (things are worse because Guru is cursed between 3 malefics).

Rahu and Mars transit by the ascendant, Ketu by 7th house, Sun and Mercury by the 2nd. All this

indicates a difficult configuration.

Regards

Leoncio

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Visti Larsen Says:


Dear Guys and Girls, Namaskar.

A mail from sunny-serbia. Look out for some new pictures in the album over the next few

days:

Hari:

If i follow the principles you taught reg. marriage timing in navamsa, we see that Venus though

exalted is afflicted by four malefics by rasi dristi. Guru itself is debilitated in the twelfth house

and doesnt promote marriage either.

Now, what i feel needs remedying are the placements in rasi. Specifically two placements,

namely that of Shani and Rahu. Shani as lord of ninth in debility shows durbhagya and delay in

marriage this specifically delays stable relationships as Shani is vakra in the seventh from

Venus The partner is always pushed away due to this combination. This is also in the

seventh from arudha lagna, and shows that with more advancement in his career, the further

away from marriage he is pushed.

Rahu in the ninth also promotes durbhagya and delay in marriage and being placed in the fifth

from arudha lagna it shows specifically his social circle/support group will be bad for him.

Notice that these two grahas are atma and amatya karaka respectively and shows some very

deep rooted soul-level issues causing the problems.

My advise is to wear a yellow sapphire on the right hand ring finger and go on a pilgrimage to

visit the shankaracarya. Then the blessing of marriage can come. If he can make such a visit

before the 22nd of May this year it will turn very beneficial.

Anna:

In matters of curses we are always looking at that planet who holds a greater amount of

truth/satya to curse. Here Ketu represents those whose sole focus is God like Ganesha sitting in

constant meditation. So Ketu represents renunciates such as the hermits who live in the

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himalayas or the inhabitants of orthodox monasteries like Oztrog, or those in Fruska Gora and

Sveta Gora.

For those who have Rahu or Ketu in the twelfth or seventh from arudha lagna we will see the

spiritual shift from material to spiritual (or sometimes vice versa) during the dasas of the nodes

or the narayana dasas containing the nodes, and these are triggers that make us choose one

distinct path over the other.

I hope this answers your question.

Another issue is that Ketu can cause terrible devastation in a persons life due to mistakes or

not using ones brains when performing actions. Then the house in which Ketus placed can be

completely destroyed. This is especially important for Ketus placement in the houses of career

and future namely the fifth and tenth houses. Here the tenth from Lagna and Moon is quite

important, where the tenth from lagna shows our own performance of karma, whilst the tenth

from Moon shows the career support being deprived due to mistakes.

Ganesha worship is necessary in such cases, or wearing a Cats eye on the LEFT hand.

Astroyogi:

We are all restricted by the limitations of written conversation and as a result its also quite

difficult to understand the perspective and thoughts of the person who has

written/communicated something unless more elaboration exists. I would ask you to provide

the birth details and elaborate on the purpose with which you wanto give a remedy.

Leoncio:

All analysis must start from somewhere, and when looking for problems I always follow the

steps of: pancanga, kalasarpa/malika yoga, curses, badhaka, etc.

There is some pancanga dosha due to the lord of Tithi and Vara being joined and this involving

tenth from lagna and moon, but rather than causing distinct suffering it rather shows a person

who wont have a particularly fruitful career unless they go abroad (twelfth house). And even

in a foreign country their will be a lack of growth and resources. However, a lack of malefic

involvement denies much emotional suffering there may be problems but suffering always

comes from the malefics.

Now lets look for the suffering. There is a curse of Brahmin and a curse of Matri/mother. The

mothers curse gives most suffering as it involves the atmakaraka, whilst lagnesha Ketus yuti

with Guru is a problem, but not as bad as that which affects the atma (atmakaraka).

The curse of mother is also matribadhaka as the Moon is involved with the badhaka and

associated with Saturn in rasi and Mars in navamsa giving both sorrow and anger from mother.

The yoga between Moon and Saturn can also severe family relations and cause financial

problems as the Moon-Saturn yoga is a destructive yoga, but the issue here is the matri-

badhaka.

Thank fully Jupiter is exalted in the badhaka sthana and shows that all obstacles can be

removed by a person with a strong Jupiter, and will be part of the natives support circle (fifth

from AL).

As Jupiter is the fifth lord it also shows that the native has forgotten the worship of a deity

from their childhood. Once the native remembers this the issues related to the health

(lagnesha), family (second house) and future (fifth house) will all be resolved. If she doesnt

remember then just tell her to worship Ganesha with a simple mantra as Ketu is yuti the fifth

lord Jupiter.


Visti Larsen Says:


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Dear Astroyogi and Leoncio, Namaskar.

Cancer is due to uncontrolled expansion and manifests in the form of a malefic Jupiter or Rahu

associated with the houses of disease i.e. 8th and 6th.

Regardless of what we may find in our analysis the first and foremost remedy to pull a malefic

Jupiter out of the cancer is to advise wearing of diamonds and reciting the mrityunjaya mantra

2108 times a day.. usually 1 mala in the morning and 2 mala in the evening.

Now, proceeding with the chart its apparent that the lagna may not be correct as we get 29

degrees Aquarius.

For Aquarius lagna we can vaguely justify that lagnesha Rahu in badhaka sthana with and

afflicted Jupiter can cause cancer but if that had been so then due to the badhaka influence the

doctors wouldnt be sure if it was cancer to begin with!

Also with Aquarius lagna the shoola dasa since 2000 will be Capricorn which doesnt have

strong connection with the cancer causing planets, yet has a rudra yoga.

With Pisces lagna this is more clea

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