1991 - Thought is Your Enemy (1985-1990) - U.G. Krishnamurti.pdf

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Thought is your Enemy

Mind Shattering Conversations with the Man Called U.G.

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Antony Paul Frank Naronha and .S.!.". Narayana Moorty

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God or enlightenment is the ultimate pleasure, uninterrupted happiness. No such thing

exists. Your wanting something that does not exist is the root of your problems.

Transformation, moksha, liberation, and all that stuff, are just ariations of the same

theme! permanent happiness. The body can"t take uninterrupted pleasure for long# it

would be destroyed. $anting to impose a fictitious permanent state of happiness on the

body is a serious neurological problem.

% am not out to liberate anybody. You hae to liberate yourself, and you are unable to do

that. $hat % hae to say will not do it. % am only interested in describing this state, in

clearing away the occultation and mystification in which those people in the holy

business hae shrouded the whole thing. &aybe % can conince you not to waste a lot

of time and energy looking for a state which does not exist except in your imagination.

--U.G.


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Pu*lisher+s Note

Whe I to"d U/6/ that I wated to *("ish a (oo- 'otaii! his dis'*ssios, he said that

I 'o*"d !o ahead ad do it, (*t o"+ as a (*siess .et*re/ 7Ma-e moe+ i8 that is what

+o*r moti.e is/ B*t i8 +o* thi- it wi"" he" +o* or a+oe e"se i a+ wa+ o their sirit*a"

ath, +o* are misera("+ mista-e/ I ha.e o i""*sios a(o*t it at a"",7 said U/6/ Aart

8rom m+ m*dae moti.es, whi'h are the o"+ 9rea"9 moti.es, a''ordi! to U/6/, I 8e"t

that this ma sho*"d (e -ow wide"+ 8or whate.er he is/ I site o8 his .ehemet

assertio that he has o messa!e 8or ma-id, I sti"" 8ee" that what he sa+s is "i-e a

9stat*tor+ wari!9 rited o a a'- o8 'i!arettes/ It 9s * to +o* to heed to it/ I8 +o* do

ot "i-e what he sa+s it ma+ (e (e'a*se he does ot te"" +o* what +o* wat to hear/

P*("isher

Pu*lisher+s Note to the Se)ond Edition

The se'od rerit o8 7Tho*!ht is +o*r Eem+7 has (ee (ro*!ht o*t (e'a*se o8 !reat

o*"ar demad/ The (oo- has made a dee imressio o a"" those who ha.e (ee o

some -id o8 so0'a""ed sirit*a" sear'h/ It has tri!!ered a ro8o*d i:*ir+ ito

e.er+thi! that is ta-e 8or !rated i matters o8 sirit, mid ad (od+/ The *("isher is

tha-8*" to Mr/ ;/S/R/L// Moort+ Pro8essor at Motere+ Peis*"a


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(e &e)ame U.G.

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There is no teaching of mine, and neer shall be one. "Teaching" is not the word for it. "Teaching"

implies a method or a system, a techni'ue or a new way of thinking to be applied in order to

bring about a transformation in your way of life. $hat % am saying is outside the field of

teachability# it is simply a description of the way % am functioning. %t is just a description of the

natural state of man (( that is the way you, stripped of the machinations of thought, are also

functioning.

The natural state is not the state of a self(reali)ed or God(reali)ed man, it is not a thing to be

achieed or attained, it is not a thing to be willed into existence# it is there (( it is the liing state.

This state is just the functional actiity of life. *y "life" % do not mean something abstract# it is the

life of the senses, functioning naturally without the interference of thought. Thought is an

interloper, which thrusts itself into the affairs of the senses. %t has a profit motie! thought directs

the actiity of the senses to get something out of them and uses them to gie itself continuity.

Your natural state has no relationship whatsoeer with the religious states of bliss, beatitude,

and ecstasy# they lie within the field of experience. Those who hae led man on his search forreligiousness throughout the centuries hae perhaps experienced those religious states. +o can

you. They are thought(induced states of being and as they come, so do they go. rishna

-onsciousness, *uddha -onsciousness, -hrist -onsciousness, or what hae you, are all trips

in the wrong direction! they can neer be grasped, contained, much less gien expression to, by

any man. That beaten track will lead you nowhere. There is no oasis situated yonder# you are

stuck with the mirage.


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A Note at the &eginning

I8 +o* thi- that +o* 'a read ad *derstad this (oo-, +o* ma+ (e :*ite o88 the mar-/

7A+(od+ who 'omes ad "istes to me ad tries to *derstad what I am tr+i! to *t a'ross is

wasti! his time, (e'a*se there is o wa+ +o* 'a "iste to a+thi! witho*t iterretatio,7

sa+s U/6/ >risham*rti/

A''ordi! to him, whe we "ea.e the sese o8 heari! a"oe a"" that is there is the .i(ratio o8

so*ds/ These .i(ratios are i'-ed * (+ the eardr*m, tras8erred to the er.es whi'h r* to

the (rai, ad are iterreted a''ordi! to what he 'a""s 9o*r re8ere'e oit9/ Th*s we hear o*r

ow tras"atios o8 the .i(ratios/ Sa+s U/6/, 7That is a"" ri!ht 8or a re"atioshi with someoe

o the "e.e" o8 9Here is some moe+ !i.e me ha"8 a -i"o o8 'arrots9 (*t that is the "imit o8 +o*r

re"atioshi, o8 +o*r 'omm*i'atio with a+(od+/7

Whether +o* a!ree or ot with a"" that he sa+s, it is rea""+ worth a tr+ to "iste to him/ The words

that 'ome o*t o8 him are "i-e !reades "o((ed ito o*r 9re8ere'e oit,9 threatei! to *root

e.er+thi! we (e"ie.ed i/ His statemets are de.astati!, more so to eo"e who ha.e heard ;/

>risham*rti, Osho RaCeesh, ad others who are *rt*red i a re"i!io*s atmoshere/

U/6/ 'a a"so dis'*ss :*at*m h+si's ad ("a'- ho"es, ad eros ad thaatos/ U/6/ sa+s, 7I

do ot '"aim to ha.e a se'ia" isi!ht ito the at*re o8 thi!s or that I *derstad the wor-i!s

o8 at*re more tha a+(od+ e"se/ B*t this is what I ha.e dis'o.ered 8or m+se"8/ I do ot 'are

whether +o* a''et what I am sa+i! or ot/ It stads or 8a""s (+ itse"8/7 His statemets ha.e a

so"id ri! o8 a*theti'it+ ad seem to sri! 8rom a so*r'e other tha thi-i!/ What he sa+s

sha-es the .er+ 8o*datio o8 h*ma tho*!ht/ It is aother matter that his remar-s o themes

s*'h as 6od, "o.e, e"i!htemet, mid, meditatio, death, ad rei'aratio o8te sma'- o8

("ashem+ ad (order o heres+/

The stor+ o8 U/6/ >risham*rti has a"" the i!rediets o8 a thri""er/ Oe eisode i his "i8e "eads

to aother witho*t a+ s+stemati' se:*e'e/ Whe he rea'hed the a!e o8 8ort+0ie, there was

a s*dde t*r o8 e.ets/ Somethi! haeed to him whi'h he 'a""ed a 9'a"amit+9 Dto he" o*r

*derstadi!, whe he st*m("ed *o a 9at*ra" state,9 wherei, i his words, 7e.er+thi! that

ma had said, 8e"t, or see, i 8a't, the who"e herita!e o8 ma-id, was throw o*t o8 m+

s+stem/7

B*t, a''ordi! to U/6/, this was ot what he had desired/ He was "oo-i! 8or a sirit*a"

dream"ad wa@ed e"o:*et (+ the ho"+ me 00 8ra*ds as we"" as !e*ie/ The re"i!io*s

atmoshere was art o8 his (a'-!ro*d/ U/6/ was (or i 1)15 ito a midd"e '"ass Brahmi

8ami"+ i Adrah Pradesh/ His mother died soo a8ter !i.i! (irth to him/ O her death(ed she

said her 'hi"d was '*t o*t 8or somethi! 7immeas*ra("+ hi!h/7 U/6/9s !rad8ather too- her words

serio*s"+ ad !roomed him i a as'eti' atmoshere/

A sma"" eisode, howe.er, was a t*ri! oit i U/6/9s "i8e/ His !rad8ather was o'e

meditati! ear"+ i the mori! whe he was dist*r(ed (+ the 'ries o8 a 'hi"d/ The o"d ma was

so a!r+ that he (eat the 'hi"d ("a'- ad ("*e/ The i'o!r*it+ ad (r*ta"it+ o8 the s'ee had a


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tra*mati' ima't o the teder sesi(i"ities o8 U/6/ He said to himse"8, 7I8 this is what meditatio

is a(o*t, it is worth"ess/7 He threw awa+ his sa'red thread ad threateed to wa"- o*t o8 the

ho*se/

U/6/9s "i8e therea8ter was a e@erimet with tr*th/ A isatia("e h*!er o.ertoo- him to 8id o*t

whether there was a+thi! (ehid the a(stra't roo*'emets o8 the so0'a""ed sirit*a" me/

He met .ario*s masters i'"*di! ;/ >risham*rti ad Ramaa Maharshi ad ra'ti'ed

traditioa" meditatios/ He e@ha*sted e.er+ meas ossi("e to rea'h the 9romised "ad9 ad at

the ed was (ere8t o8 hoe ad throw ito *tter desair/

O his 8ort+0ith (irthda+ he was sitti! o a (e'h o.er"oo-i! the !ree .a""e+ ad r*!!ed

ea-s o8 O(er"ad i Swit?er"ad/ It s*dde"+ o''*rred to him, 7I ha.e sear'hed e.er+where to

8id a aswer to m+ :*estio, 9Is there e"i!htemet9 (*t I ha.e e.er :*estioed the sear'h

itse"8, (e'a*se I ha.e ass*med that e"i!htemet e@ists ad that I ha.e had to sear'h 8or it/

Howe.er, it is the sear'h itse"8 whi'h has (ee 'ho-i! me ad -eei! me o*t o8 m+ at*ra"

state/7

He said to himse"8, 7There is o s*'h thi! as sirit*a" or s+'ho"o!i'a" e"i!htemet, (e'a*se

there is o s*'h thi! as sirit or s+'he at a""/ I ha.e (ee a dam 8oo" a"" m+ "i8e, sear'hi! 8or

somethi! whi'h does ot e@ist/ M+ sear'h is at a ed/7

His .ora'io*s h*!er to 8id o*t the 8air+"ad romised (+ the rohets ad sirit*a" masters

had (*rt itse"8 o*t/ The o''*rre'e had te""i! e88e'ts o his (od+/ Ma+ h+si'a" 'ha!es too-

"a'e withi him whi'h (ewi"dered the medi'a" me ad 8rieds aro*d him/ His "i8e therea8ter

(e'ame oe i whi'h there was 7o tho*!ht 8or the morrow or !rie8 o.er the ast/7

A''ordi! to U/6/, !rie8 ad Co+ e@ist o"+ i the rea"m o8 the mid/ The (od+ is iterested i

either/ Its o"+ iterest is i s*r.i.i! the da+0to0da+ 'ha""e!es it e'o*ters 8rom momet to

momet/

U/6/9s statemets are ei!mati', ad i8 heard or read o*tside o8 his rese'e 'a (e 'ostr*ed

as either a rod*'t o8 a s*reme ite""e't or a madma9s "ita+ His words de8+ the "o!i'a"

8ramewor- whi'h we are a''*stomed to/ U/6/ dismisses the ossi(i"it+ o8 a+ e@erie'e e@'et

thro*!h -ow"ed!e/ A''ordi! to him, it is -ow"ed!e whi'h 'reates a e@erie'e, ad it is the

e@erie'e whi'h i t*r stre!thes the -ow"ed!e/ 9>ow"ed!e9 does ot ha.e a+

metah+si'a" or eistemo"o!i'a" o.ertoes/ It is sim"+ that somethi! is a 'hair or a ta("e, or

that some sesatio is "eas*ra("e or ai8*"/ I 8a't, e.e the ro'ess o8 re'o!itio ad

ami! o8 somethi! is art o8 -ow"ed!e/ The tota" oeratio is desi!ated 9thi-i!9/

What disti!*ishes *s 8rom U/6/ is that this -ow"ed!e whi'h is oerati! thro*!h the ro'esso8 thi-i! is i a de'"*t'hed state i U/6/, whi"e there is a 'ostat *der'*rret o8 thi-i!

a'ti.it+ withi *s whether we "i-e it or ot/ O*r mid is 'ostat"+ 'h*ri! o*t tho*!ht a8ter

tho*!ht i .ario*s shaes, 'o"ors, ad si?es/ U/6/ sa+s that it is thro*!h this 'ostat thi-i!

that we are maitaii! the 'oti*it+ o8 what we 'a"" the 9I9 or 9se"89/

I U/6/ the 'oti*it+ o8 tho*!ht has (ee saed/ Tho*!hts 'ome to him i a disCoited

maer witho*t a+ "i-0*/ He thi-s o"+ whe there is a demad 8or e@erie'e/ Otherwise,


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what there is is o"+ the sim"e a'ti.it+ o8 the seses 00 the stim*"*s0ad0resose 'oti**m/

Si'e it is the 'oti*o*s thi-i! a'ti.it+ that !i.es the i""*sio o8 the 9se"89 or 9I9, there is o

8ee"i! o8 9se"89 or 9I9 withi him/

U/6/ sa+s the stra!"eho"d o the h+si'a" or!aism o8 what is 'a""ed -ow"ed!e has the

ote'+ o8 mi""ios o8 +ears/ The -ow"ed!e whi'h oerates i the 8orm o8 tho*!ht has set * a

ara""e" emire o8 its ow, i 'otradisti'tio to the wa+s o8 at*re/ B*t tho*!ht s*(t"+ 9-ow9 its

ehemera" at*re, ad the 8ear o8 its 8"eeti! e@iste'e roe"s it to ere't a mar.e"o*s str*'t*re

o8 '*"t*re, 'i.i"i?atio, re"i!io, o"iti's, the .ario*s istit*tios ad .a"*es that !o.er o*r "i.es,

ad, i 8a't, e.er+thi! that we 'a 'o'ei.e o8/

A"" these 8a'ets o8 h*ma "i8e are othi! (*t ros thro*!h whi'h tho*!ht tries to ethroe itse"8

i ermae'e/ I other words, what we 'a"" 9I9 or 9+o*9 is tho*!ht see-i! ermae'e i

i*mera("e a'ti.ities/ U/6/ sa+s that o"+ whe, (+ some mira'"e or stra!e 'ha'e, the "i.i!

or!aism is 8reed 8rom the stra!"eho"d o8 the emire 'reated (+ tho*!ht, 'a the (od+, with its

e@traordiar+ ite""i!e'e, 8ree the h*ma (ei! so that he 'a 98a""9 ito his 9at*ra" state9/

B*t, a''ordi! to U/6/, oe 'aot *se oe9s .o"itio or !o thro*!h a+ ri!oro*s dis'i"ie to

'ome ito the at*ra" state, S*'h a state is (e+od the 8ie"d o8 e@erie'e/ U/6/ o8te des'ri(es

his sit*atio th*s& 7How did it a"" hae I do9t -ow/ What is it that has haeed I do9t

-ow/ Has a+thi! haeed at a""7 He sa+s that what has haeed to him is s*'h that it

'aot (e shared (+ a+(od+, ad that the at*ra" state 'aot (e e@ressed or 'otaied i

tho*!ht/ There8ore, 7o 'omm*i'atio is ossi("e ad o dia"o!*e is e'essar+7/

What *se is the so0'a""ed 9at*ra" state9 to eo"e who are ot 8*'tioi! i it The :*estio is

a8ter a"" as-ed 8rom a o0at*ra"0state erse'ti.e (+ morta"s who are "oo-i! 8or a aa'ea to

a"" their ro("ems/ Pea'e ad haiess are what we are a"" a8ter, ad U/6/9s 9at*ra" state9

o88ers *s o e@erie'e o8 a+thi! "i-e it/ So what we are "e8t with are o*r oits o8 .iew a(o*t

the erso, deedi! o o*r reC*di'es ad 'oditioi!/


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C#NTENTS

%1/ o Mid, o So*", O"+ the Bod+

%/ Throw Awa+ Yo*r


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C(APTE!

No Mind/ No Soul/ #nly the &ody

uman thinking is born out of some sort of neurological defect in the human body. Therefore,

anything that is born out of human thinking is destructie.

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0eligion has inented that wonderful thing called charity. %t is the most icious and ulgar thing

that we hae done. Nature has proided us with a bounty. *ut we are indiidually responsible

for the ine'uities of the world.

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Thought is opposed fundamentally to the functioning of this liing organism.

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1ll insights, howeer extraordinary they may be, are worthless, because it is thought that has

created what we call insight, and through that it is maintaining its continuity and status 'uo.

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Thought is not the instrument to help us to lie in harmony with the life around us. That is why

you create all these ecological problems. *ut the planet is not in danger# we are in danger.

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The certainty that % hae that there is no mind is something which cannot be transmitted to

anybody, howeer hard % may try. You are not ready to accept this statement because the ery

thing which we are using to communicate is in jeopardy.

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Thought is something dead and can neer touch anything liing. %t cannot capture life, contain it,

and gie expression to it. The moment it tries to touch life, it is destroyed by the liing 'uality of

life.

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01 U/6/, I wo*"d "i-e to ro(e ito the .er+ esse'e o8 +o*r re.o"*tioar+ ad *'omromisi!

statemet that there is o so*"/

A1 There is o se"8, there is o I, there is o sirit, there is o so*", ad there is o mid/ That

-o'-s o88 the who"e "ist, ad +o* ha.e o wa+ o8 8idi! o*t what +o* are "e8t with/ Yo* ma+

.er+ we"" as- me the :*estio, 7Wh+ do +o* !o o te""i! eo"e a(o*t the wa+ +o* are

8*'tioi!7 It is o"+ to emhasi?e that we ha.e (ee 8or 'et*ries *si! some istr*met,

that is, thi-i! or mid, or whate.er +o* wat to 'a"" it, to 8ree o*rse".es 8rom the who"e o8 what

+o* 'a"" the 9I9 or the 9se"89, ad a"" -ids o8 thi!s/ That is what the who"e :*est o8 sirit is a""

a(o*t/ B*t o'e it daws o +o* that there is othi! to (e 8ree 8rom, the these :*estios do9t

arise at a""/ How that dawed o me, I ha.e o wa+ o8 8idi! o*t 8or m+se"8/

01 Ordiar+ h*ma (ei!s "i-e me wo*"d "i-e to -ow i8 +o* 'o*"d 8id aswers 8or *s/

A1 The aswers I !i.e are o"+ to emhasi?e that what we are "e8t with is the 8*'tioi! o8 the

"i.i! or!aism/ How it is 8*'tioi! is a"" that I am tr+i! to *t a'ross, emhasi?e, ad

o.eremhasi?e a"" the time/ M+ iterest is to somehow ma-e +o* see that the who"e attemt o

+o*r art to *derstad what +o* are "e8t with is a "ost (att"e/

01 What +o* are tr+i! to sa+ is that there is o"+ the h+si'a" (od+ ad othi! e"se/ Is that it

A1 E.e that statemet 'aot (e e@erie'ed (+ what is "e8t there/ Whe o'e the who"e thi!

is 8"*shed o*t o8 +o*r s+stem, the statemet, 7We are "e8t with o"+ the h+si'a" (od+ ad the

*i.erse 00 7 that statemet a"so 'aot stad a+ more/

01 B*t I wat to ro(e aro*d this////

A1 The more the :*estios +o* throw at me the more there is a eed to emhasi?e the h+si'a"

ase't o8 o*r e@iste'e, ame"+, that there is othi! to what we ha.e (ee made to (e"ie.e/ A""

o*r ro("ems ha.e arise (e'a*se o8 o*r a''eta'e that it is ossi("e 8or *s to *derstad the

rea"it+ o8 the wor"d, or the rea"it+ o8 o*r e@iste'e/ What I am sa+i! is that +o* ha.e o wa+ o8

e@erie'i! a+thi! that +o* do ot -ow/ So a+thi! that +o* e@erie'e thro*!h the he"

o8 +o*r -ow"ed!e is 8r*it"ess/ It is a "ost (att"e/

01 Whe +o* are sa+i! that there is o oh+si'a" e"emet i h*ma at*re////

A1 I am ot with +o*/ What e@a't"+ do +o* mea whe +o* sa+, 7o oh+si'a" e"emet i

h*ma at*re7

01 I mea that there is o"+ the a't*a" h+si'a" (od+ ad the wor"d as it is/

A1 That is the reaso wh+ I sa+ that the istr*met whi'h we are *si! to *derstad the rea"it+

o8 o*r e@iste'e ad the rea"it+ o8 the wor"d aro*d *s is ot art o8 this D(od+ me'haism that

is there/ That is the reaso wh+ I sa+ tho*!hts are ot se"80!eerated ad are ot sotaeo*s/

There are o tho*!hts there e.e ow/ I8 +o* wat to 8id o*t whether there is a+ s*'h thi! as


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tho*!ht, the .er+ :*estio whi'h we are osi! to o*rse".es, ame"+, 7Is there a tho*!ht7 is

(or o*t o8 the ass*mtio that there is a tho*!ht there/ B*t what +o* wi"" 8id there is a"" about

tho*!ht ad nottho*!ht/ A"" abouttho*!ht is what is *t i there (+ the '*"t*re/ That is *t i (+

the eo"e who are te""i! *s that it is .er+ essetia" 8or +o* to 8ree +o*rse"8 8rom whate.er +o*

are tr+i! to 8ree +o*rse"8 8rom thro*!h that istr*met/ M+ iterest is to emhasi?e that that is

ot the istr*met, ad there is o other istr*met/ Ad whe o'e this hits +o*, daws *o+o* that tho*!ht is ot the istr*met, ad that there is o other istr*met, the there is o

eed 8or +o* to 8id o*t i8 a+ other istr*met is e'essar+/ o eed 8or a+ other istr*met/

This .er+ same str*'t*re that we are *si!, the istr*met whi'h we are *si!, has i a .er+

i!eio*s wa+ i.eted a"" -ids o8 thi!s "i-e it*itio, ri!ht isi!ht, ri!ht this, that, ad the

other/ Ad to sa+ that thro*!h this .er+ isi!ht we ha.e 'ome to *derstad somethi! is the

st*m("i! ("o'-/ A"" isi!hts, howe.er e@traordiar+ the+ ma+ (e, are worth"ess, (e'a*se it is

tho*!ht that has 'reated what we 'a"" isi!ht, ad thro*!h that it is maitaii! its 'oti*it+ ad

stat*s :*o/

01 I thi- I *derstad that, (*t what I wat to *rs*e is that there is the h+si'a" side o8 this,

ad i8 I 'o*"d o(ser.e '"ear"+ the h*ma or!aism there ad its iterre"ated 8*'tios////

A1As a matter o8 8a't e.e that is ot ossi("e to e@erie'e ad *derstad e@'et thro*!h the

-ow"ed!e that is !i.e to *s (+ the h+sio"o!ists/

01 Yo* mea o*r ow o(ser.atio///

A1 There is o s*'h thi! as +o*r ow o(ser.atio/ Yo*r ow o(ser.atio is (or o*t o8 the

-ow"ed!e that +o* ha.e/ This -ow"ed!e 'omes 8rom the h+sio"o!ists/ This -ow"ed!e 'omes

8rom those who ha.e (ee i.o".ed i medi'a" te'ho"o!+/ The+ are tr+i! to 8id o*t how this

(od+ is 8*'tioi!, how the heart is 8*'tioi!, ad the who"e "ot o8 thi!s that we ha.e

(e'ome 8ami"iar with, tho*!h what the+ ha.e dis'o.ered is somethi! whi'h 'aot (e

e@erie'ed (+ *s/

01 What +o* are sa+i! the is that there is rea""+ o s*'h thi! as dire't or immediate

e@erie'e////

A1 There is o e@erie'e at a"" witho*t the he" o8 -ow"ed!e/ That is a"" that I am sa+i!/

There is o wa+ +o* 'a e@erie'e the rea"it+ o8 anything e@'et thro*!h the he" o8 this

-ow"ed!e/ So what I am sa+i! is that +o* 'aot e@erie'e what +o* do ot -ow/

There8ore, +o* roCe't that there is somethi! (e+od the me'haism o8 the e@erie'i!

str*'t*re/ There is o 9(e+od9/ B*t that 9(e+od9 is a!ai a88irmed or reCe'ted (+ this

e@erie'i! str*'t*re to maitai its 'oti*it+/ It is a !ame/

01 Ba'- to that/ I as-ed +o* this (e8ore/ Is9t there a e@erie'e o8 to*'h

A1 o/ The o"+ wa+ +o* 'a e.e e@erie'e the sese o8 to*'h is thro*!h this 'ota't that is

what +o* 'a"" the sese o8 to*'h/ So +o* are (ri!i! +o*r 8i!ers here ad to*'hi! it here/

DU/6/ to*'hes the arm o8 the 'hair/ The e+e is "oo-i! at it/ B*t it does ot tras"ate the

mo.emet o8 that as some(od+ *tti! his 8i!er here to -ow what e@a't"+ haes whe +o*


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to*'h this/ The e+e 'aot sa+ that, ad the sese o8 to*'h does ot tras"ate that 8or a+

reaso/ U"ess +o* as- the :*estio////

01 I am s*!!esti! that////

A1 The e+e is "oo-i! at it/

01 o, I am ot "oo-i! at it/

A1 Yo* are ot/

01 I 'a 8ee", I 'a 8ee" witho*t////

A1 It is (or o*t o8 +o*r ima!iatio ad tras"atio o8 this arti'*"ar ta'ti"e sesi! withi the

8ramewor- o8 +o*r ast e@erie'e/ At this momet i8 that is ot tras"ated as a so8t to*'h or a

hard to*'h, or e.e as a to*'h o8 +o*r had, +o* ha.e o wa+ o8 searati! the two ad

e@erie'i! that/

01 o more searati! the two////

A1 S*osi! +o* as- me a :*estio 8or whate.er reaso that +o* wat to -ow, the so"e

-ow"ed!e +o* ha.e is here i the 'om*ter Doiti! to his head, ad it 'omes o*t ad te""s

me ad te""s +o* that +o* are to*'hi! this, ad that the sese o8 to*'h is tras"ati! that as the

so8t to*'h o8 the 8ried who is sitti! e@t to me/

01 I mi!ht (e wa"-i! a"oe, ad I 8ee" a (ree?e 'omi!/ I am ot doi! a+thi!, (*t it is

("owi! i m+ wa+/

A1 I8 +o* do ot tras"ate the (ree?e to*'hi! +o*r (od+////

01 I am 8ee"i! the (ree?e/

A1 The 8ee"i! is a"so a tho*!ht/ The momet +o* searate +o*rse"8 8rom the (ree?e, that

sesor+ a'ti.it+ is tras"ated withi the 8ramewor- o8 the -ow"ed!e +o* a"read+ ha.e/ I am ot

8or a momet sa+i! that +o* are the (ree?e/ What I am sa+i! is that a"" that +o* are sa+i! is

art o8 the -ow"ed!e +o* ha.e/ Otherwise, there is o wa+ +o* 'a searate the (ree?e ad

the (od+/

01 So +o* are sa+i! that there is o s*'h thi! as a ew e@erie'e/

A1 There is o ew e@erie'e at a""/ B*t the demad to e@erie'e the same thi! o.er ad

o.er a!ai is the oe that is weari! o88 the who"e me'haism o8 memor+ 8or *roses 8or whi'hit is ot iteded/

01 Is it ossi("e 8or *s to see that memor+ sho*"d ot (e the oerati.e 8a'tor i 'os'io*sess

A1 I :*estio 'os'io*sess (e'a*se what we 'a"" 'os'io*sess is memor+/ Yo* (e'ome

'os'io*s o8 somethi! thro*!h the he" o8 the -ow"ed!e +o* ha.e, ad that -ow"ed!e is

"o'-ed * i the memor+/ So the who"e ta"- o8 the s*('os'io*s, *'os'io*s, "e.e"s o8


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'os'io*sess, ad a"" that, is the i!eio*s i.etio o8 the thi-i! me'haism/ Thro*!h this

'"e.eress, i.eti.eess, it maitais its 'oti*it+/

01 4o +o* ma-e a+ disti'tio (etwee awareess ad 'os'io*sess

A1 Awareess has o meai! to me (e'a*se awareess is ot a istr*met to (e *sed to

*derstad a+thi!, m*'h "ess to (ri! a(o*t a 'ha!e there/ First o8 a"", there is othi! there

to (e 'ha!ed/ Si'e there is othi! there to (e 'ha!ed, whether +o* *se awareess or a+

other istr*met to (ri! a(o*t a 'ha!e is irre"e.at/

Awareess 'a e.er (e searated 8rom the a'ti.it+ o8 the (rai/ That is the reaso wh+ I

a"wa+s des'ri(e what is haei! here Doiti! to himse"8 i h+si'a" terms/ 7The re8"e'tio o8

that, Doiti! to a '*shio whate.er it is, o the retia, ad to e@erie'e that witho*t ami!

it,7 is o"+ a '"e.er !ame we are "a+i! with o*rse".es/ Yo* thi- that re'o!itio is searate

8rom ami!/ This is ot tr*e/ Re'o!itio ad ami! are oe ad the same/ Whether I ame it

or ot, the .er+ re'o!itio o8 +o* as a ma or that as a i""ow, itse"8 meas that the ami! is

a"read+ there, whether I *se the word or ot/ That is the reaso wh+ I oit o*t to the eo"e

who sa+ that the word is not the thi!, the word is the thi!/ I8 the word is ot the thi!, what the

he"" is it It is a"" ri!ht 8or the hi"osohers to sit ad dis'*ss e.er"asti!"+ that the word is ot the

thi!/ That im"ies that there is somethi! there other tha the word/ So +o* 'aot a''et the

8a't that the word isthe o(Ce't/ That is, e.e i8 +o* sa+ that there is a o(Ce't witho*t *si! the

word, it meas that there is a searatio there/ What I am tr+i! to te"" +o* is how this di.isio,

searatio is o''*rri!/

01 Searatio is rea""+ the (e!ii! o8 d*a"it+/

A1 I e.er te"" m+se"8 ad te"" +o* that I am the ta("e/ That is too a(s*rd/ So what I am sa+i! is

that there is o wa+ +o* 'a searate +o*rse"8 o +o*r ow 8ree wi"" ad .o"itio e@'et whe

there is a demad 8rom o*tside/ Yo* as- the :*estio, 7What is that7 Yo* ad I ha.e the same

i8ormatio i o*r memories/ Whether +o* *se a Fre'h word, a E!"ish word, a 6erma

word, or a Lati word, it does9t matter/ The re8ere'e oit is the ta("e +o* are as-i! me

a(o*t/ So, I sa+ it is a ta("e, ad that it is a white ta("e/ Yo* ad I ha.e the same i8ormatio/

Whe that :*estio is ot there, I wo*"d at o time "oo- at it ad te"" m+se"8 that it is a ta("e/ It

does ot mea that I am 9'hoi'e"ess"+ aware9 o8 that/ What is there is o"+ the re8"e'tio o8 this

o(Ce't o the retia/ E.e this statemet 'aot (e e@erie'ed (+ me, (e'a*se the stim*"*s

ad resose are oe *itar+ mo.emet/ The momet +o* sa+ there is awareess, there is

a"read+ a di.isio/

01 Wh+ do we maitai this ositio, this d*a"it+, this searatio////

A1 That is the o"+ wa+ +o* 'a 'oti*e/ Otherwise +o* are 'omi! to a ed/ The "you" as +o*

-ow +o*rse"8, the "you" as +o* e@erie'e +o*rse"8, that 9+o*9 is the idetit+ there/ Thro*!h the

'ostat demad 8or *si! memor+ it maitais its 'oti*it+/ I8 that 9+o*9 is ot there, +o* do9t

-ow what wi"" hae/ That is wh+ the hrase, 78reedom 8rom the -ow7 is .er+ attra'ti.e *

to a oit/ O'e +o* are 8ree 8rom the -ow, there is o wa+ +o* 'a sa+ a+thi! a(o*t it/ So,

i8 I am "istei! to some(od+ "i-e +o* who is ta"-i! a(o*t the eed to ha.e the 8reedom 8rom


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the -ow, +o*r emhasis that there is a eed to 8ree +o*rse"8 8rom the -ow has a"read+

(e'ome art o8 the -ow/ Tho*!ht has s*r.i.ed 8or mi""ios ad mi""ios o8 +ears, ad it -ows

e.er+ tri'- i the wor"d/ It wi"" do a+thi! to maitai its 'oti*it+/

01 So thi-i! has rea""+ o "a'e i *derstadi!////

A1 There is o thi-i! at a""/ I8 there is o thi-er, there are o tho*!hts at a""/ Yo* 'aot sa+

there is o"+ tho*!ht ad there is o thi-er/ The tho*!hts do ot 'ome 8rom here Doiti! to

his head, the+ are 'omi! 8rom o*tside/ The tras"atio o8 a sesor+ er'etio withi the

8ramewor- o8 +o*r e@erie'i! str*'t*re is tho*!ht/ Ad +o* are *si! those tho*!hts to

a'hie.e a !oa"/

01 I ha.e !ot to -ow a(o*t this thi-i!/ This is se:*etia"////

A1 o, +o* 'a tr+ that/ I am ot +o*r tea'her/ What is haei! here is a me'hai'a" thi! "i-e

i a 'om*ter/ It is me'hai'a""+ oerati!, tr+i! to 8id o*t i8 there is a+ i8ormatio stored i

the 'om*ter Doiti! to his head re"ated to what we are ta"-i! a(o*t/ 7Let me see,7 7 Let me

thi-7 these are statemets +o* are C*st ma-i!, (*t there is o 8*rther a'ti.it+ ad o thi-i!ta-i! "a'e there/ Yo* ha.e a i""*sio that there is some(od+ who is thi-i! ad (ri!i! o*t

the i8ormatio/

Loo-, this is o di88eret 8rom the e@traordiar+ istr*met we ha.e, the word08ider/ Yo* ress

a (*tto ad 7Read+,7 it sa+s/ The +o* as- 8or a word 7Sear'hi!,7 it sa+s/ That sear'hi! is

thi-i!/ B*t it is a me'hai'a" ro'ess/ I that word08ider or 'om*ter there is o thi-er/

There is o thi-er thi-i! there at a""/ I8 there is a+ i8ormatio or a+thi! that is re8erred to,

the 'om*ter *ts it to!ether ad throws it o*t/ That is a"" that is haei!/ It is a .er+

me'hai'a" thi! that is haei!/ We are ot read+ to a''et that tho*!ht is me'hai'a"

(e'a*se that -o'-s o88 the who"e ima!e that we are ot C*st ma'hies/ It is a e@traordiar+

ma'hie/ It is ot di88eret 8rom the 'om*ters we *se/ B*t this oiti! to his (od+J is

somethi! "i.i!, it has !ot a "i.i! :*a"it+ to it/ It has a .ita"it+/ It is ot C*st me'hai'a""+

reeati! it 'arries with it the "i8e eer!+ "i-e that '*rret eer!+/

01 Oe o8 the thi!s that h*ma (ei!s *se most o8te is ima!iatio / / /

A1 The idea that +o* e@erie'e the tota"it+ o8 +o*r (od+ is (or o*t o8 +o*r ima!iatio/

A't*a""+, there is o wa+ +o* 'a e@erie'e the tota"it+ o8 it/ Yo*r e@erie'e o8 the hea.iess

o8 +o*r (od+ is d*e to the !ra.itatioa" 8or'e/ Sometimes +o* e@erie'e the hea.iess o8 +o*r

(od+ whe tho*!hts are ot i oeratio/ Sometimes tho*!hts s"ow dow i e.er+(od+/ That is

the time whe +o* 8ee" hea.ier tha the hea.iest o(Ce't/ Yo* 8ee" as i8 +o* wei!h $G% -i"os, or

s*dde"+ +o* 8ee" as i8 +o* are wa"-i! o air/ These are the a't*a" 8*'tioi!s o8 the (od+whi'h the+ ha.e des'ri(ed i some sirit*a" terms ad !i.e so m*'h imorta'e to/

01 So, eo"e i this area o8 ima!iatio thi- that *8ettered thi-i! 'a sometimes 'ome *

with ew ossi(i"ities, o8 wa+s i whi'h +o* 'a "i.e more 8r*it8*""+, more easi"+ or more

"eas*ra("+////

A1 That is somethi! that is ot .a"id ad tr*e/


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(irth, (*t somethi! 8rom where +o* are/ Yo* *se a"" these e@erie'es, 'o"or them, ad

ima!ie that +o* are e@erie'i! +o*r ow (irth/ This is !ood 8or mar-eti! their 9re(irth9, (*t

there is othi! to it/

01 Wh+ is it that h*ma (ei!s ha.e de.e"oed some traits whi'h ha.e made them master8*"

destro+ers o8 the earth, the air, the water, ad e.er+thi! aro*d them

A1As I said the "ast time, this searateess 8rom the tota"it+ o8 thi!s aro*d *s, ad the idea

that the who"e thi! is 'reated 8or o*r (ee8it ad that we are 'reated 8or a !rader ad o("er

*rose tha a"" the other se'ies o this, "aet, are the 'a*ses o8 this destr*'tio/ This

ower8*" *se o8 tho*!ht is what is destr*'ti.e/ Tho*!ht is a se"80rote'ti.e me'haism/ So

a+thi! that is (or o*t o8 tho*!ht is destr*'ti.e 00 whether it is re"i!io*s tho*!ht or s'ieti8i'

tho*!ht or o"iti'a" tho*!ht 00 a"" o8 them are destr*'ti.e/ B*t we are ot read+ to a''et that it is

tho*!ht that is o*r eem+/ We do9t -ow how to 8*'tio i this wor"d witho*t the *se o8

tho*!ht/ Yo* 'a i.et a"" -ids o8 thi!s ad tr+ to 8ree +o*rse"8 8rom this stra!"eho"d o8

tho*!ht, (*t there is o wa+ we 'a a''et the 8a't that that is ot the istr*met to he" *s to

8*'tio sae"+ ad ite""i!et"+ i this wor"d/ Tho*!ht is a se"80eret*ati! me'haism/ It'otro"s, mo*"ds, shaes o*r ideas ad a'tios/ Idea ad a'tio 00 the+ are oe ad the same/

A"" o*r a'tios are (or o*t o8 ideas/ O*r ideas are tho*!hts assed o to *s 8rom !eeratio to

!eeratio/ Tho*!ht is ot the istr*met to he" *s to "i.e i harmo+ with the "i8e aro*d *s/

That is wh+ +o* 'reate a"" these e'o"o!i'a" ro("ems, ro("ems o8 o""*tio, ad the ro("em o8

ossi("+ destro+i! o*rse".es with the most destr*'ti.e weaos that we ha.e i.eted/ So,

there is o wa+ o*t/ Yo* ma+ sa+ that I am a essimist, that I am a '+i', or that I am this, that,

ad the other/ B*t I hoe oe da+ we wi"" rea"i?e that the mista-es we ha.e made wi"" destro+

e.er+thi!/ The "aet is ot i da!er/ We are i da!er/

01 I8 we are, the we 'a !o to aother "aet/ The desire to s*r.i.e 00 whe'e 'omes this

desire to s*r.i.e (e+od the death o8 the (od+ ad its ie.ita("e demise

A1 Be'a*se +o* -ow i a wa+ that what +o* -ow o8 +o*rse"8 is 'omi! to a ed there/ Yo*

ha.e "i.ed si@t+, se.et+, or a h*dred +ears o8 +o*r "i8e +o* ha.e (ee thro*!h so ma+

e@erie'es +o* ha.e a'hie.ed so ma+ thi!s +o* ha.e attaied ad a''om"ished so ma+

thi!s/ 7Is a"" that 'omi! to a 00 "ea.i! (ehid othi!7 So, at*ra""+ we 'reate somethi!

9(e+od9/

01 Wh+ do +o* thi- that we ha.e a""owed a i""*sio ad *rea"it+ to ersist i 'os'io*sess

or h*ma tho*!ht////

A1 Yo* are ot searate 8rom that i""*sio/ Yo* are the i""*sio/ I8 oe i""*sio !oes, it is a"wa+s

re"a'ed with aother i""*sio/ Wh+ Be'a*se the edi! o8 the i""*sio is the edi! o8 9+o*9/

That is the death/ The edi! o8 (e"ie8 is the edi! o8 the 9+o*9 that is there/ So, that is ot the

oeti', romati' death 00 o8 7d+i! to +o*r +esterda+s/7 Ph+si'a" death is the o"+ wa+ thro*!h

whi'h +o* 8"*sh o*t what +o*r who"e '*"t*re has *t i there/

02 I a sma""er ad mior wa+, I 'a see thro*!h a i""*sio////


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A1 That is aother i""*sio/ The i""*sio is that 7the seei! is the edi!/7 There is o wa+ +o*

'a searate +o*rse"8 ad the seei!/ Seei! is the i""*sio the seer is the i""*sio/ The seer

te""s himse"8 that 7seei! is edi!,7 (*t it does ot ed/ So the seer does ot wat to 'ome to

a ed/ The seer is the i""*sio/ I do9t -ow it is (etter ot to dis'*ss these thi!s/ The seer is

the i""*sio/ Thro*!h the i.etio o8 what is 'a""ed 7the seei! o8 the i""*sio is the edi!,7 the

seer is !atheri! momet*m ad 'oti*i!/ The momet +o* wat to 9see9 somethi! +o* ha.esearated +o*rse"8 8rom that ad the seer has 'ome ito (ei!, ad thro*!h that seei! he is

maitaii! his 'oti*it+/ That is wh+ seei! has ot he"ed *s it has eded othi! there/

01 This dia"o!*e, o*r ta"-i! to!ether ow 00 what wo*"d +o* "i-e to 'a"" it It is C*st a h+si'a"

e@'ha!e////this iter"a+ that is !oi! o ow

A1 DLa*!hs I do9t rea""+ wat to reeat it a!ai ad a!ai/ This is C*st a *et sitti! here/

Ad, two *ets, two 'om*ters, two tae re'orders "a+i!, that is a""/

01 Whate.er +o* are sa+i! 00 "istei! to +o*, wi"" it ot (ri! a(o*t a 'ha!e i *s

A1 ot at a""/ Yo* are ot e.e "istei!/ There is o s*'h thi! as the art o8 "istei!/ Yo* areot "istei! at a""/ Listei! is ot i +o*r iterest/ Yo* are iterreti!/

01 I am aware o8 that/ S*re"+ there is some -id o8 "istei!/ I am tr+i! to *t the -e+ i the

door ad////

A1 We do9t ha.e to *se a"" those hrases s*'h as, 7I am aware o8 this, that, ad the other/7 I8

+o* *t ito ra'ti'e what the+ 'a"" 9awareess9, +o* wi"" !o the wa+ o8 A"?heimer9s disease

whi'h is hitti! e.er+(od+/ I read it i some ma!a?ie that it is hitti! e.er+(od+/ It has hit

a"read+ the 8amo*s m*si'ia, what is his ame, Fra- Siatra/ It is there i oe o8 +o*r aers/

He is .er+ +o*!/ The+ metio him as a e@am"e o8 how a erso s*88eri! 8rom A"?heimer9s

disease 8*'tios/ Yo* ha.e the 9-e+9 there i +o*r had/ B*t +o* do9t -ow how to *se the -e+ad oe the door/

01 The rea""+ what +o* are sa+i! is that the (od+ has a eormo*s ite""i!e'e (e'a*se a"" its

8*'tios !o o iter"a+i! (ea*ti8*""+ i their ow wa+/

A1 O*r iterest to tea'h that (od+ somethi! whi'h it is ot iterested i is 'a*si!, 'reati!

ro("ems 8or it/ K

B& Is there a+thi! e"se that +o* wo*"d "i-e to sa+

A1 To sa+ what I ha.e said a "ot ow/

01 Yo* 'ertai"+ ha.e/ Aother thi! that I wated to as- +o* a(o*t is h+si'a" ai 00

whether////

A1 To "ea.e it a"oe/ I8 there is ai +o* ta-e some ai -i""er/ I am ot sa+i! +o* sho*"d do

othi!, ad "et the (od+ s*88er ad !o thro*!h the ai/ Yo* are a't*a""+ addi! more to the

ai/ See, as "o! as the ai is there, I mi!ht as we"" ta-e a i"" ad 8ree m+se"8 8rom the ai

temorari"+, (e'a*se there is o se'ia" 'harm, sirit*a" or otherwise, to ro.e to o*rse".es ad


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to others that we 'a ed*re ai/ That is ot what we are ta"-i! a(o*t/ B*t what we 'a do is

to "ea.e that ai a"oe witho*t iter8eri! a"" the time/ We thi- we -ow a "ot more tha this

(od+/ We thi- that we -ow what is !ood 8or that (od+, ad that is wh+ we are 'reati!

ro("ems 8or it/ It -ows what it wats to -ow/ It does9t wat to "ear a+thi! 8rom *s/ I8 we

*derstad this sim"e re"atioshi that tho*!ht ad the (od+ ha.e, the ro(a("+, we wi"" a""ow

the (od+ to 8*'tio ad *se tho*!ht o"+ 8or 8*'tioa" *roses/ Tho*!ht is 8*'tioa" i .a"*e,ad it 'aot he" *s to a'hie.e a+ o8 the !oa"s we ha.e "a'ed (e8ore *s, or what the '*"t*re

has "a'ed (e8ore *s/

01 Is there o s*'h thi! as a h+si'a" *rose 8or ai

A1 It is a hea"er/ Pai is a hea"i! ro'ess/ B*t we are araoid/ We are o.era@io*s to see that

we do9t s*88er/ I am ot sa+i! that +o* sho*"d ot !et a+ he" that is a.ai"a("e to +o*/ There

is o oit i s*88eri!, "i-e the


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C(APTE! 3

Throw Away %our Crut)hes4

Thought can only create problems, but it cannot help us to sole the problems.

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1 guru is one who tells you to throw away all crutches. e would ask you to walk, and he would

say that if you fall, you will rise and walk.

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%f humanity is to be saed from the chaos of its own making, it has to be freed from the saiorsof mankind.

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The moment you repeat that which is not yours, you hae become the follower of somebody.

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$hat these gurus in the market place do is to sell you some ice packs and proide you with

some comforters.

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Thought in its birth, in its origin, in its expression, and in its action is ery fascist. $hen % use the

word "fascist", % do not use it in the political sense, but % use it to mean that thought controls and

shapes our thinking and our actions.

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There is reincarnation for those who beliee in it. There is no reincarnation for those who do not

beliee in it. *ut you hae to ask this fundamental 'uestion! 2$hat is there now that will

reincarnate3 %s there any such thing as a soul, "%", or psyche32 $hateer you see or experience

is created by the knowledge we hae of that entity.

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01 First o8 a"" "et *s aa"+?e this woder8*" otio o8 haiess i :*est o8 whi'h e.er+ h*ma is

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A1 Yo* ma+ ot a!ree with me, (*t whe we ta"- a(o*t 9the :*est 8or haiess9, it is o

di88eret 8rom a+ other ses*a" a'ti.it+/ As a matter o8 8a't, a"" e@erie'es, howe.er

e@traordiar+ the+ ma+ (e, are i the area o8 ses*a"it+/ That is oe maCor ro("em that we are

8a'i! toda+/

Somewhere a"o! the "ie, the h*ma se'ies e@erie'ed this se"80'os'io*sess 8or the 8irst

time/ Ad it searated the h*ma se'ies 8rom the rest o8 the se'ies o this "aet/ I do9t

e.e -ow i8 there is a+ s*'h thi! as e.o"*tio, (*t we are made to (e"ie.e that there is s*'h

a thi!/ Ad it was at that time erhas that tho*!ht too- its (irth/ B*t tho*!ht i its (irth, i its

ori!i, i its 'otet, i its e@ressio, ad i its a'tio is .er+ 8as'ist/ Whe I *se the word

98as'ist9 I *se it ot i the o"iti'a" sese (*t to mea that tho*!ht 'otro"s ad shaes o*r

thi-i! ad o*r a'tios/ So it is a .er+ rote'ti.e me'haism/ It has o do*(t he"ed *s to (e

what we are toda+/ It has he"ed *s to 'reate o*r hi!h0te'h ad te'ho"o!+/ It has made o*r "i8e

.er+ 'om8orta("e/ It has a"so made it ossi("e 8or *s to dis'o.er the "aws o8 at*re/ B*t tho*!ht

is a .er+ rote'ti.e me'haism ad is iterested i its ow s*r.i.a"/ At the same time, tho*!ht is

oosed 8*dameta""+ to the 8*'tioi! o8 this "i.i! or!aism/

We are made to (e"ie.e that there is s*'h a thi! as mid/ B*t there is o s*'h thi! as +o*r

mid or m+ mid/ So'iet+ or '*"t*re, or whate.er +o* wat to 'a"" it, has 'reated *s so"e"+ ad

who""+ 8or the *rose o8 maitaii! its ow 'oti*it+ ad stat*s :*o/ At the same time, it has

a"so 'reated the idea that there is s*'h a thi! as the idi.id*a"/ B*t a't*a""+, there is a 'o8"i't

(etwee the two 00 the idea o8 the idi.id*a" ad the imossi(i"it+ o8 8*'tioi! as a idi.id*a"

searate ad disti't 8rom the tota"it+ o8 ma9s tho*!hts ad e@erie'es/

01 Who ma-es *s thi- i a arti'*"ar wa+

A1 Here at this oit I wo*"d "i-e to emhasi?e that tho*!hts are ot se"80!eerated ad

sotaeo*s/ I wo*"d !o oe ste 8*rther ad as-, 7Is there a+ s*'h a thi! as tho*!ht7 The

.er+ :*estio arises (e'a*se we ass*me that there is s*'h a thi! as tho*!ht, ad that we 'a

searate o*rse".es 8rom tho*!ht ad "oo- at it/ B*t whe we "oo- at what we 'a"" tho*!ht, what

we see is about tho*!ht ad not tho*!ht itse"8/ 7What is tho*!ht7 00 the :*estios arises o"+

(e'a*se o8 the ass*mtio that there is s*'h a thi! as tho*!ht/

We *se what we 'a"" tho*!ht to a'hie.e o*r sirit*a" or materia" !oa"s/ We ma+ 'osider the

sirit*a" !oa"s as 9hi!her9/ The '*"t*re i whi'h we are 8*'tioi! "a'es sirit*a" !oa"s o a

hi!her "e.e" tha the materia"isti' !oa"s/ B*t the istr*met whi'h we are *si! is matter, whi'h

is tho*!ht/ Tho*!ht to me is matter/ There8ore, a"" o*r sirit*a" !oa"s are materia"isti' i their

.a"*e/ Ad this is the 'o8"i't that is !oi! o there/ I this ro'ess, the tota"it+ o8 ma9s

e@erie'es 'reated what we 'a"" a searate idetit+ ad a searate mid/ B*t a't*a""+ i8 +o*wat to e@erie'e a+thi!, (e it +o*r ow (od+, or +o*r ow e@erie'es, +o* ha.e o wa+ o8

e@erie'i! them witho*t the *se o8 the -ow"ed!e that is assed o to *s/ I other words, I

wo*"d sa+ that tho*!ht is memor+/ B*t we ha.e (ee made to (e"ie.e that h*ma (ei!s are

'reated 8or a o("er ad !rader *rose tha the other se'ies o this "aet, ad it is that

(e"ie8 that is resosi("e 8or o*r thi-i! that the who"e 'reatio is 'reated 8or the (ee8it o8

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E.er+thi! that is (or o*t o8 tho*!ht is destr*'ti.e/ A+thi! that we dis'o.er, the "aws o8

at*re or whate.er +o* 'a"" it, are *sed (+ *s o"+ 8or destr*'ti.e *roses/ Ad it is tr*e that

we ha.e dis'o.ered :*ite a 8ew o8 at*re9s "aws, ad the theories are 'ostat"+ 'ha!i!////

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the sesiti.it+ o8 this (od+ is destro+ed/ There8ore, the (od+ is reCe'ti! a"" that we are

iterested i 00 ermaet haiess ad ermaet "eas*re/ So, we are ot !oi! to s*''eed

i that attemt to (e i a ermaet state o8 haiess/

01 Yo* re8erred to the ite""e't ad to the sharei! o8 the ite""e't////

A1 To s*r.i.e i this wor"d/

01 Yes/ How do we share it With whose he"

BA& Thro*!h a reetiti.e ro'ess we are sharei! that istr*met/ B*t we are *si!

tremedo*s amo*ts o8 eer!+ i this ro'ess/ I8 the *se o8 tho*!ht is "imited to a'hie.e o"+

what we 'osider to (e materia"isti' .a"*es ad ot o*r sirit*a" !oa"s, what is it that is ot

ossi("e 8or *s i order to 8*'tio sae"+ ad ite""i!et"+/ It does ot mea that I am tea'hi! a

materia"isti' hi"osoh+ or a+ s*'h thi!/ Tho*!ht is ot iteded 8or a'hie.i! sirit*a" !oa"s

or e.e to 8id o*t the si!i8i'a'e, meai!, or *rose o8 "i8e, or to (e *sed 8or the :*est 8or

ermae'e or ermaet "eas*re/

01 We ha.e (ee 8ami"iar with this theor+ o8 (irth ad death 00 -arma, a'tio, rea'tio or

somethi! that we (ri! a"o! with *s "i-e a (a- (a"a'e, add somethi! to it, the sed

somethi!, ad the 'arr+ it 8orward to the e@t (irth or whate.er it is/ How 8ar do +o* s*(s'ri(e

to this theor+, or are +o* oosed to it

A1 I am ot oosed to the theor+ o8 -arma or rei'aratio/ B*t I am :*estioi! the .er+

8o*datio o8 that (e"ie8/ There is rei'aratio 8or those who (e"ie.e i it, ad there is o

rei'aratio 8or those who do ot (e"ie.e i it/ B*t is there a+ s*'h thi! as rei'aratio as a

"aw o8 at*re, "i-e !ra.it+ ad other "aws o8 at*re M+ aswer is, o/

It does9t matter whether +o* (e"ie.e or ot i rei'aratio/ I8 oe is iterested i 8idi! o*t 8orhimse"8 ad (+ himse"8, to reso".e this ro("em o8 rei'aratio, ad !et a aswer 8or this o8t0

reeated :*estio, 7Is there s*'h a thi! as rei'aratio7 +o* ha.e to as- this 8*dameta"

:*estio, 7What is there ow that +o* thi- wi"" rei'arate7 7Is there a+thi! there Is there

a+ s*'h thi! as so*" Is there a+ s*'h thi! as the 9I9 Is there a+ s*'h thi! as the

s+'he Whate.er +o* see there, whate.er +o* e@erie'e there, is 'reated o"+ (+ the

-ow"ed!e +o* ha.e o8 that se"8/ I8 +o* are "*'-+ eo*!h to (e 8reed 8rom the tota"it+ o8

-ow"ed!e, the -ow"ed!e o8 the se"8, rei'aratio, ad a"" -ids o8 thi!s, the is it ossi("e

8or +o* to e@erie'e a+ 'eter, a+ 9I9, a+ se"8, a+ so*" So, to me the 9I9 is othi! (*t a 8irst

erso si!*"ar roo*, ad I do ot see a+ 'eter or se"8 there/ So the who"e idea o8

rei'aratio is (*i"t o"+ o the 8o*datio o8 o*r (e"ie8s/

01 What is it that ma-es oe a !reat erso i d*e 'o*rse o8 time ad aother statioar+,

sta!at i his meta" ro'esses 4o +o* attri(*te this to some -id o8 iheret !i8t

A1 We ha.e a"wa+s (ee '*rio*s ad iterested i 8idi! o*t wh+ a 'hi"d is (or with

de8ormities/ Ad rei'aratio was a .er+ iteresti! theor+ e.o".ed (+ the h*ma mid at oe

time to e@"ai awa+ s*'h sit*atios ad !i.e *s 'om8ort i 8a'i! the sit*atio that we ha.e

s*'h eo"e i o*r midst/ B*t ow it is ossi("e 8or *s, i the "i!ht o8 what the+ are doi! i


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terms o8 !eeti' resear'h ad mi'ro(io"o!+, to 'orre't the de8ormities 'reated (+ at*re/ Wh+

sho*"d we wat to attri(*te this mis8ort*e to somethi! terri("e that we did i o*r re.io*s "i8e

That -id o8 (e"ie8 'omes i .er+ had+ to *s/ We ha.e i o*r midst toda+ a tremedo*s

s*88eri!, a tremedo*s amo*t o8 o.ert+, star.atio, ad de!radatio/ It is .er+ 'om8orti! 8or

*s to (e"ie.e that that s*88eri! is there (e'a*se the eo"e who s*88er did somethi! terri("e i

their ast "i8e/ That is o aswer to !i.e/ That ma-es *s ta-e she"ter i the (e"ie8 ad ot doa+thi! to so".e the ro("em there/ The (e"ie8 is either sirit*a" or h*ma/ I the ame o8

doi! somethi! h*ma to o*r 8e""ow (ei!s, we ha.e eretrated ih*ma deeds/ The (e"ie8 i

rei'aratio wi"" o"+ he" *s to "oo- the other side ad ot to dea" with the ro("em whi'h is

demadi! aswers 8rom e.er+ thi-i! ma i the wor"d toda+/

01 ;/ >risham*rti a"wa+s emhasi?ed oe 8a't, that is, o(od+ re:*ires a !*r*/ I 8a't, +o* too,

I *derstad, wo*"d ot "i-e to (e a !*r* 8or a+(od+/ A''ordi! to +o*, what is the ro"e o8 a

!*r* who shows the wa+ 8or the Sish+a

A1 I thi- that it is the wro! word to *se i these da+s 8or a"" those sirit*a" !*r*s we ha.e i

the mar-et, se""i! shodd+ ie'es o8 !oods, ad e@"oiti! the !*""i(i"it+ ad 'red*"it+ o8 eo"e/A !*r* is oe who te""s +o* to throw awa+ a"" the 'r*t'hes that we ha.e (ee made to (e"ie.e

are essetia" 8or o*r s*r.i.a"/ The tr*e !*r* te""s +o*, 7Throw them awa+, ad do9t re"a'e them

with the 8a'+ 'r*t'hes or e.e 'om*teri?ed 'r*t'hes/ Yo* 'a wa"- ad i8 +o* 8a"", +o* wi""

rise ad wa"- a!ai/7 S*'h is the ma whom we 'osider, or e.e traditio 'osiders, to (e the

rea" !*r*, ad ot those who are se""i! those shodd+ ie'es o8 !oods i the mar-et "a'e

toda+/ It is a (*siess it has (e'ome a ho"+ (*siess to eo"e/ I am ot 'odemi! a+thi!/

B*t as "o! as +o* deed *o some(od+ 8or so".i! +o*r ro("ems, so "o! +o* remai

he""ess/ Ad this he""essess is e@"oited (+ the eo"e who a't*a""+ do ot ha.e the aswers

to +o*r ro("ems, (*t the+ !i.e +o* some sort o8 a 'om8orter/ Peo"e are satis8ied with these

'om8orters ad 8a"" 8or this -id o8 thi!, istead o8 dea"i! with the ro("ems (+ themse".es ad

8or themse".es/

01 The sirit*a"ism o8 the East ad the Sirit*a"ism o8 the West are !rad*a""+ e@'ha!i! "a'es

toda+, ad +o* ha.e see the res*"ts o8 (oth ow/ What is the aa'ea 8or the h*ma miser+,

the deri.atio, the -id o8 s*88eri! e.er+oe i this "aet is 8a'i! E.er+oe has !ot

somethi! the+ wat, somethi! a"wa+s to see-, to r* a8ter/

A1 As we started this dis'*ssio we said that the :*est 8or haiess is a"" that a+(od+,

whether he is a R*ssia, a Ameri'a, a A8ri'a, or a Idia, is iterested i/ I said that it is

imossi("e to a'hie.e s*'h a !oa" (e'a*se o8 the h+si'a" ro("em Do8 'o8"i't with the (od+

that is i.o".ed i a'hie.i! that !oa"/ It is ass*med that the West is materia"isti', ad that it is

"oo-i! towards the East 8or sirit*a" !*ida'e/ That is ot rea""+ tr*e/ I8 +o* "i.e 8or a "o!ereriod i the West, +o* wi"" rea"i?e that those who are iterested i these sirit*a" matters are

ot rea""+ the eo"e who are !*idi! the destiies o8 this wor"d/ What is resosi("e 8or this

s*dde iterest i sirit*a" matters ad their "oo-i! to the East 8or s*''or is dr*!s/ The+ !a.e

them a ew sort o8 e@erie'e/ B*t the+ were ot satis8ied with reeati! those e@erie'es/

The+ were "oo-i! aro*d 8or .arieties o8 re"i!io*s e@erie'es, whether the+ are 8rom Idia, or

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The 8a't o8 the matter is that whe o'e +o* ha.e e.er+thi! that +o* 'a reasoa("+ as- 8or i

this wor"d, whe a"" the materia" eeds are ta-e 'are o8, at*ra""+ the :*estio arises, 7Is that

a""7 Whe o'e +o* ose that :*estio 7Is that a""7 to +o*rse"8, +o* ha.e 'reated a

tremedo*s mar-et 8or this -id o8 (*siess, the ho"+ (*siess/ These eo"e are e@"oiti! the

!*""i(i"it+ ad 'red*"it+ o8 the eo"e, rather tha he"i! them to reso".e the (asi' ro("ems, the

h*ma ro("ems/ It is ot that sim"e/ So we ha.e to as- s*'h :*estios o.er ad o.er a!ai/B*t a"" the :*estios we are as-i! are (or o*t o8 the aswers that we a"read+ ha.e/ It e.er

o''*rs to *s to as- wh+ we -ee as-i! the :*estios whe we a"read+ ha.e the aswers !i.e

(+ the sa!es, saits, ad sa.iors o8 ma-id/ We 8ai" to rea"i?e that the aswers that the+ ha.e

!i.e *s are the oes that are resosi("e 8or the tra!ed+ o8 ma-id/ We do9t :*estio them/

I8 we :*estio the aswers, we wo*"d (e :*estioi! the tea'hers/ I8 h*mait+ is to (e sa.ed

8rom the 'haos o8 its ow ma-i!, it has to (e 8reed 8rom the sa.iors o8 ma-id/ That does ot

mea that +o* wo*"d destro+ e.er+thi!/ Yo* wi"" ha.e to as- :*estios ot (or o*t o8 the

aswers we a"read+ ha.e/ B*t is there a+ aswer That is a""/ There it stos/ Ad the so"*tio

is there 8or ma-id/

So'iet+ or '*"t*re or whate.er +o* mi!ht wat to 'a"" it, has 'reated *s a"" so"e"+ ad who""+ 8orthe *rose o8 maitaii! its 'oti*it+ ad stat*s :*o/


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C(APTE! 5

The !o*ot is 6reaming

The uni'ueness of the indiidual cannot express itself because of the stranglehold of the

experiences of others.

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To be an indiidual and to be yourself you do not hae to do a thing. -ulture demands that you

should be something other than what you are. $hat a tremendous amount of energy we waste

trying to become that4 *ut if that energy is released, liing becomes ery simple. Then what is it

that you cannot do3

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Trying to keep the sensation of happiness, or any other sensation that is pleasurable, going

longer than its natural duration, is destroying the sensitiity of the liing organism.

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The mind is interested only in sensuality. %n fact, it is born out of sensuality. %t maintains its

continuity in the field of sensuality. *ut the body is not interested in any of these except to

respond to stimuli.

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There are actually no problems# rather, what we are saddled with are only solutions.

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The only "%" that % can find there is the first person singular pronoun. % hae to use that to

differentiate from the second person singular pronoun.

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The perfect man is born out of the alue system that we hae created. The alue system ispatterned after the behaior of the great teachers of mankind who hae done more harm than

good. *ut eery human being is uni'ue.

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irre"e.at, we "ose the o"+ hoe that we ha.e i +o*/ We sti"" 8ee" that a"tho*!h we ha.e "ost

8aith i them a"", we 'aot "ose 8aith i +o*/7 I to"d him that that is the oe thi! that is stadi!

there i him whi'h ma-es it imossi("e 8or him to 8ree himse"8 8rom whate.er he is tr+i! to 8ree

himse"8 8rom, (e'a*se he has re"a'ed oe thi! with aother/ That is a"" that we 'a do/ Oe

i""*sio is re"a'ed (+ aother i""*sio ad oe tea'her is re"a'ed (+ aother tea'her/ There is

o wa+ +o* 'a 8*'tio witho*t re"a'i! oe thi! with aother/

01 ;/ >risham*rti maitaied that there is o a*thorit+, o tea'her, ad that there is o ath/

E.er+oe has a "i8e0ath that has ta-e him to where.er he o*!ht to (e/ Yo* a"so ha.e a "i8e0

ath that has !otte +o* to where +o* are/

A1 B*t I 'aot s*!!est a+thi! that did ot "a+ a art i m+ "i8e/ That wo*"d (e somethi!

8a"se, 8a"si8+i! the thi! +o* see/

01 Wh+ sho*"d +o* ot sa+ that ea'h o8 *s has a idi.id*a" ad *i:*e "i8e0ath ad o*t o8 that

'omes whate.er that is

A1 The *i:*eess o8 e.er+ idi.id*a" 'aot e@ress itse"8 (e'a*se o8 the stra!"eho"d o8 thee@erie'es o8 others/ A8ter a"", +o* do9t e@ist, ad I do9t e@ist/ Yo* ad I ha.e (ee 'reated

(+ the tota"it+ o8 those e@erie'es, ad we ha.e to *se them i order to 8*'tio sae"+ ad

ite""i!et"+ i this wor"d/

01 So +o* are 'reati! me ow

A1 Yo* are 'reati! me/

01 Yo* are 'reati! me ow

A1 o/ I am ot 'reati! +o* (e'a*se I do9t ha.e a ima!e o8 m+se"8 here/ So, whate.er +o*

see here Doiti! to himse"8 is +o*r ow 'reatio ad the roCe'tio o8 the -ow"ed!e +o* ha.e

o8 me/ I do9t -ow i8 +o* !et what I am tr+i! to sa+/ I am ot i.o".ed i what is !oi! o there

i +o*/ What is i.o".ed here is o"+ a re8"e'tio o8 whate.er is there i 8rot o8 me o the retia/

B*t the tras"atio o8 it is a(set (e'a*se it is art o8 that mo.emet that is !oi! o there/

01 So, what I !et 8rom what +o* sa+ is that it is a matter o8 "i.i! ea'h momet as it 'omes/

A1 S*'h statemets are .er+ mis"eadi!/ We "a'e o*rse".es i a sit*atio where we thi- that

it is ossi("e 8or *s to "i.e 8rom momet to momet/ B*t it is the (od+ that is 8*'tioi! 8rom

momet to momet/

01 O/>/, the (od+ is 8*'tioi! 8rom momet to momet/

A1 The oe that is iterested i "i.i! 8rom momet to momet, whi'h is the mid D:*ote ad

*:*ote, 'aot "i.e that wa+ (e'a*se its s*r.i.a" deeds *o reeated e@erie'es/ The

'oti*it+ o8 the -ow"ed!e that it is 9me9 is ot somethi! e"se/ Yo* ha.e to maitai that 'eter

a"" the time, ad the o"+ wa+ +o* 'a maitai that 'eter is thro*!h the reetiti.e ro'ess,

reeati! the same o"d e@erie'es o.er ad o.er a!ai, ad +et ima!ii! that oe da+ +o*

are !oi! to 8*'tio 8rom momet to momet/ It is this hoe that !i.es +o* the 8ee"i! ad a"so


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some sort o8 e@erie'e that +o* are "i.i! 8rom momet to momet/ B*t the ossi(i"it+ o8

a't*a""+ "i.i! 8rom momet to momet is e.er there (e'a*se the mid9s iterest is o"+ to

'oti*e/ There8ore, it has i.eted the idea" o8 "i.i! 8rom momet to momet, o0mid, ad a""

that -id o8 st*88/ Thro*!h these !immi'-s it -ows it 'a maitai its ow 'oti*it+/

01 Sometimes we are so i.o".ed with o*r a'ti.it+ that we "ose o*rse".es i it, ad i that sese

we are "i.i! i the momet/

A1 It is ot 'orre't to sa+ that, (e'a*se +o*r i.o".emet i whate.er +o* are doi! is a sort o8

9hi!h9/ It is a e@erie'e whi'h +o* wat to "a'e o a hi!her "e.e" ad the thi- that +o* are

a(sor(ed i it/

01 B*t +o* are ot thi-i! a(o*t it, 8or there is o iter.a"/

01 o/ Tho*!ht is .er+ m*'h there/ B*t +o* ha.e made that ito a e@traordiar+ e@erie'e,

ad +o*r wati! to (e "i-e that a"wa+s is oe thi! that is ot ossi("e/ A m*si'ia thi-s that

he is a(sor(ed i what he is doi!/ It is demadi! +o*r tota" attetio to e@ress whate.er +o*

are doi!, ad whe two thi!s are ot there it is a "ot easier 8or +o* to e@ress it e88e'ti.e"+tha whe +o* are thi-i! a(o*t it/

01 I rea""+ thi- a(o*t e@erie'es a8ter the+ hae/ The I re8"e't o them/ Whe I "oo- * i

the s-+ ad see a haw- 8"+i! a'ross the s-+, I see the haw- ad a8terwards I re8"e't o it, 7Oh, I

saw a haw-7 B*t at the momet whe I see it I am ot thi-i! a(o*t it/

A1 Yo* see, that is ot 'orre't, (e'a*se we ha.e (ee made to (e"ie.e, ad +o* ro(a("+

a''et that statemet, that whi"e +o* are e@erie'i! a thi! +o* are ot aware o8 it/ The 8a't

that +o* re'a"", whether +o* ame that as a haw- or ot, im"ies that +o* were .er+ m*'h there/

I -ow a "ot o8 eo"e who te"" me that the+ were i a tho*!ht"ess state, that there were

momets whe the 9I9 was ot there/ B*t whe o'e s*'h a thi! rea""+ haes, it is 8iishedo'e ad 8or a"", ad there is o wa+ +o* 'a "i- those momets * to!ether ad 'reate a

'oti*it+ there/ So, the statemets that whe +o* are e@erie'i! a thi! +o* are ot aware o8

the e@erie'e ad that +o* (e'ome aware or 'os'io*s o8 it o"+ a8ter the e@erie'e is !oe

are hi!h"+ :*estioa("e/ I8 that were so, it wo*"d ha.e shattered the who"e e@erie'i!

str*'t*re o'e ad 8or a""/ It wo*"d (e somethi! o8 a earth:*a-e hitti! this "a'e, ad what

haes the o(od+ -ows/ A shi8ti! o8 thi!s wo*"d ha.e ta-e "a'e, ad therea8ter the

or!aism 8*'tios i a .er+ orma" ad at*ra" wa+/ It wo*"d ha.e 8o*d a ew sort o8

e:*i"i(ri*m/

01 Wh+ are we here as h*ma (ei!s "i.i! ri!ht ow

A1 Wh+ do we as- that :*estio 7Wh+ are we here7 What is it that te""s +o* that +o* are here

Are +o* there ow It is the -ow"ed!e that te""s +o* that +o* are here, that I am here/

01 I ha.e some awareess o8 (ei! here, a 8ee"i! o8 (ei! here/

A1 Fee"i! is a"so tho*!ht/ We wat to 8ee" that 8ee"i!s are more imortat tha tho*!hts, (*t

there is o wa+ +o* 'a e@erie'e a 8ee"i! witho*t tras"ati! that withi the 8ramewor- o8 the


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-ow"ed!e that +o* ha.e/ Ta-e 8or e@am"e that +o* te"" +o*rse"8 that +o* are ha+/ Yo* do9t

e.e -ow that the sesatio that is there is haiess/ B*t +o* 'at*re that sesatio withi

the 8ramewor- o8 the -ow"ed!e +o* ha.e o8 what +o* 'a"" a state o8 haiess, ad the other

state, that o8 *haiess/ What I am tr+i! to sa+ is that it is the -ow"ed!e that +o* ha.e

a(o*t +o*rse"8 whi'h has 'reated the se"8 there ad he"s +o* to e@erie'e +o*rse"8 as a

etit+ there/

I am ot arti'*"ar"+ 8od o8 the word 9awareess9/ It is mis*sed/ It is a r*((ed 'oi, ad

e.er+(od+ *ses it to C*sti8+ some o8 his a'tios, istead o8 admitti! that he did somethi!

wro!/ Sometimes +o* sa+, 7I was ot aware o8 what was !oi! o there/7 B*t awareess is a

ite!ra" art o8 the a'ti.it+ o8 this h*ma or!aism/ This a'ti.it+ is ot o"+ se'i8i'a""+ i the

h*ma or!aism (*t i a"" 8orms o8 "i8e 00 the i! ad the do!/ The 'at C*st "oo-s at +o*, ad is i

a state o8 'hoi'e"ess awareess/ To t*r that awareess ito a istr*met whi'h +o* 'a *se

to (ri! a(o*t a 'ha!e is to 8a"si8+ that/ Awareess is a ite!ra" art o8 the a'ti.it+ o8 the "i.i!

or!aism/ Ad so, 9awareess9 is ot C*st the ri!ht -id o8 word to *se/

It is imossi("e 8or *s to searate o*rse".es 8rom the rest o8 the thi!s that are o*t there/ Yo*are ot di88eret 8rom the 'hair that +o* are sitti! o/ B*t what searates +o* 8rom the 'hair is

the -ow"ed!e +o* ha.e o8 that 00 7This is a 'hair,7 7Yo* are sitti! o the 'hair/7 B*t the 8a't is

that the sesatio that is i.o".ed i this re"atioshi (etwee +o* ad the 'hair is the sese o8

to*'h/ The sese o8 to*'h does ot, howe.er, te"" +o* that +o* are searate 8rom this 'hair i

whi'h +o* are sitti!/ I am ot tr+i! to sa+ that +o* are the 'hair/ That is too a(s*rd/

A't*a""+ what ma-es +o* 8ee" that the (od+ is there is the !ra.itatioa" *"" o8 the (od+, the

hea.iess o8 the (od+/ Yo* 8ee" the e@iste'e o8 the (od+ (e'a*se o8 the !ra.itatioa" *""/ I

said somewhere i the (e!ii! that +o* are a88e'ti! e.er+thi! there ad e.er+thi! that is

there is a88e'ti! +o*/ The 8a't o8 this statemet is somethi! whi'h 'aot (e e@erie'ed (+

+o* (e'a*se it is oe *itar+ mo.emet/ The momet +o* searate the two ad sa+ that this isthe resose to that, +o* ha.e a"read+ (ro*!ht the -ow"ed!e +o* ha.e o8 the thi!s ito

oeratio ad to"d +o*rse"8 that this is the resose to that stim*"*s/

01 The :*at*m h+si'ists te"" *s that it is a"" 'oe'ted ad we are a"" art o8 the *i.erse/

A1 B*t the+ ha.e arri.ed at that as a 'o'et/ So did the metah+si'ias i Idia/ The+ arri.ed

at that 8a't ad said that there is o s*'h thi! as sa'e/ Sa'e is a .er+ essetia" thi! 8or +o*

to s*r.i.e i this wor"d/ B*t the 8a't that there is s*'h a thi! as sa'e 'a e.er (e

e@erie'ed (+ +o*/ A s'ietist 'ame to see me ad made this statemet that there is o s*'h

thi! as sa'e, there is o s*'h thi! as time, ad there is o s*'h thi! as matter/ I said, 7Yo*

are reeati! a memori?ed statemet/ Pro(a("+ +o* wi"" !i.e me a e:*atio to ro.e that thereis o s*'h thi! as sa'e/ B*t s*osi! it is a 8a't i +o*r "i8e that there is o sa'e, DI a"wa+s

!i.e 'r*de e@am"es, what haes to +o*r re"atioshi with +o*r wi8e7 Whe eo"e throw

these -ids o8 hrases at me 00 that there is o o(ser.er, or that the o(ser.er is the o(ser.ed 00

I !i.e them a hard time ad tr+ to ma-e them rea"i?e the im"i'atios o8 what the+ are sa+i!/ It

is .er+ iteresti! 8or the theo"o!ias, the metah+si'ias, ad the s'ietists to dis'*ss these

thi!s/ B*t whe it er'o"ates to the "e.e" o8 o*r da+0to0da+ e@iste'e, ad o8 o*r re"atioshi

with the eo"e aro*d *s, it is .er+ di88eret/ I8 +o* te"" +o*rse"8 that the o(ser.er is the


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o(ser.ed, ad a"+ that to a sit*atio where +o* are a(o*t to ma-e "o.e to +o*r wi8e, what wi""

hae

01 Is there a sit*atio where the o(ser.er is rea""+ the o(ser.ed

A1 That is the ed o8 a"" re"atioshi/ It9s 8iished/ To sa+ the o(ser.er is the o(ser.ed is a

meai!"ess statemet, reeated ad a*seam/ The+ a't*a""+ do ot -ow what wi"" hae

whe that is the 'ase/ A"" re"atioshis wi"" (e 8iished/

01 So we are C*st a*tomata////

A1A*tomati'a""+ reeati! words ad hrases whi'h are memori?ed/ The+ ha.e o re"e.a'e

to the wa+ we are 8*'tioi!/

01Are +o* C*st a a*tomato

A1 Oh, I am a a*tomato/ There is ot oe tho*!ht whi'h I 'a 'a"" m+ ow/ I8 this 'om*ter

Doiti! to his head has o i8ormatio o a arti'*"ar s*(Ce't, it is si"et/ So +o* are oerati!

the 'om*ter Doiti! to himse"8/ It is +o*r iterest to 8id o*t what there is i this 'om*ter/

Ad whate.er 'omes o*t o8 me is +o*rs/ What +o* 'a"" the rito*t is +o*rs ad +o* are readi!

somethi! i it/

01 So I am the dreamer ad +o* are the dream/

A1 Yo* ha.e 'reated me/ Yo* ha.e a"" the aswers ad +o* are as-i! the :*estios/

01 I thi- I a"read+ ha.e aswers/

A1 Otherwise how 'a there (e :*estios Yo* are ot s*re that the+ are the aswers/

01 We"", I am "i-e e.er+oe here, as-i! :*estios that a+ erso mi!ht as-/

A1 ////8or whi'h the+ a"read+ ha.e the aswers/ B*t the+ are ot s*re that the+ are the aswers/

Ad the+ do9t ha.e the !*ts to (r*sh aside the ersos that ha.e !i.e those aswers/

Setimets 'ome ito i't*re there, ad +o* "ose the !*ts to throw awa+ the aswers, ad the

oes who ha.e !i.e the aswers, o*t the widow/

01 What I !et 8rom this is that +o* ha.e to (e a idi.id*a"/

A1 To (e a idi.id*a" ad to (e +o*rse"8 +o* do9t ha.e to do a thi!/


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C(APTE! 7

A olt o8 "ightning

$hateer has happened to me has happened despite eerything % did. %t was like a jolt of

lightning or an earth'uake, as it were. Eerything that eery man thought, felt, and experienced

before was flushed out of my system. This has become possible for me not through any effort or

olition of mine. That is why % say it is "acausal", and % hae no way of knowing what % am left

with.

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% maintain that memory is not located in any particular area of the body. Eery cell in our body is

inoled.

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$e hae put memory and the brain to such a use for which it is not intended. This is one of the

reasons why we find that 1l)heimer"s disease is on the increase.

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$e are no different from, nor are we created for any grander purpose than, the mos'uito that is

sucking your blood.

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%f there is anything like super(consciousness or higher consciousness that people speak of, you

are as much an expression of that as any of the claimants to that cosmic power. Eery dog,

eery cat, eery pig, eery cow, the garden slug there, you, me, and eerybody, een Genghis

han and itler, are an expression of that same thing. $hy should nature or some cosmic

power, if there is one in the world, need the help of somebody as an instrument to express itself

and help others3

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01 I thi- it was i 1)$, C*st o +o*r G)th (irthda+ whe +o* were "istei! to ;/ >risham*rti9s

ta"-, it is said that a e@erie'e o''*rred to +o*/ Wo*"d +o* des'ri(e that

A1 I do9t wat to !o ito that i !reat detai"/ B*t what I ha.e (ee emhasi?i! "ate"+ is that

whate.er has haeed to me haeed desite e.er+thi! I did/ Whate.er I did or did ot do,


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ad whate.er e.ets eo"e (e"ie.ed that "ed me ito this Dat*ra" state are tota""+ irre"e.at/ It

is .er+ di88i'*"t 8or me to 8i@ a oit ow ad te"" m+se"8 that this is me, ad "oo- (a'- ad tr+ to

8id o*t the 'a*se o8 whate.er has haeed to me, (e'a*se this is ot i the 8ie"d o8 'a*se ad

e88e't re"atioshi/ That is wh+ I am emhasi?i! ad o.eremhasi?i! a"" the time that it is

a'a*sa"/ That is .er+ di88i'*"t 8or eo"e to *derstad/

01 B+ 9a'a*sa"9 +o* mea that it haeed witho*t a+ rearatio

A1 That is what I am sa+i!/ It is somethi! "i-e, to *se m+ 8a.orite hrases, 7"i!hti! hitti!

+o*, a Co"t o8 "i!hti! hitti! +o*,7 ad +o* do9t -ow what +o* are "e8t with/ Yo* ha.e o wa+

o8 8idi! o*t 8or +o*rse"8 ad (+ +o*rse"8 what has haeed to +o*/ Has a+thi! haeed to

me at a"" B*t oe thi! I 'a sa+ with 'ertait+ is that the .er+ thi! that I sear'hed 8or a"" m+

"i8e was shattered to ie'es/ The !oa"s that I had set 8or m+se"8 00 se"80rea"i?atio, 6od0

rea"i?atio, tras8ormatio, radi'a" or otherwise, or e.e e"i!htemet 00 were a"" 8a"se, ad

there was othi! there to (e rea"i?ed, ad othi! to (e 8o*d there/ The .er+ demad to (e

8ree 8rom a+thi!, e.e 8rom the h+si'a" eeds o8 the (od+, C*st disaeared, ad I was "e8t

with othi!/ There8ore, whate.er 'omes o*t o8 me ow deeds *o what +o* draw o*t o8me/

I ha.e a't*a""+ ad 8a't*a""+ othi! to 'omm*i'ate, (e'a*se there is o 'omm*i'atio

ossi("e at a+ "e.e"/ The o"+ istr*met we ha.e is the ite""e't/ We -ow, i a wa+, that this

istr*met has ot he"ed *s to *derstad a+thi!/ So, whe o'e it daws o +o* that this is

ot the istr*met, ad that there is o other istr*met with whi'h to *derstad a+thi!, +o*

are "e8t with this *??"i! sit*atio that there is othi! to *derstad/ I a wa+, it wo*"d (e

hi!h"+ res*mt*o*s o m+ art to sit o a "at8orm or a''et i.itatios "i-e this ad tr+ to te""

eo"e that I ha.e somethi! to sa+, that I ha.e 'ome ito somethi! e@traordiar+ whi'h

o(od+ has 'ome ito/

B*t what I am "e8t with is somethi! e@traordiar+ 00 e@traordiar+ ot i the sese that it has

(ee ossi("e 8or me thro*!h a+ e88ort or .o"itio o8 mie, (*t i the sese that e.er+thi! that

e.er+ ma tho*!ht, 8e"t, ad e@erie'ed (e8ore is throw o*t o8 m+ s+stem/ So, +o* 'a sa+

that it is, ideed, a 'o*ra!eo*s thi! that has haeed to me/ B*t I 'aot te"" eo"e that

thro*!h 'o*ra!e +o* 'a *t +o*rse"8 ito that -id o8 sit*atio/

It is .er+ di88i'*"t to te"" eo"e how it a"" haeed to me/ The+ are o"+ iterested i 8idi! o*t

how it haeed to me, (e'a*se their o"+ iterest is to 8id o*t the 'a*se, 8id o*t what "ed me

ito this/ B*t whe I te"" them that it is a'a*sa", it is .er+ di88i'*"t 8or them to *derstad ad

a''et it/ Their iterest is to 8id o*t a 'a*se ad ma-e it hae to them/

01 I thi- it is *se8*" sometimes to ta"- a(o*t oe9s rea"i?atio i terms o8 whe ad what

haeed/ I this 'ote@t, !oi! (a'- to 1)$, what haeed to +o* whe +o* were "istei!

to ;/ >risham*rti

A1 Yo* see, whe I was "istei! to him it s*dde"+ dawed o me, 7Wh+ the he"" ha.e I (ee

"istei! to this ma From his des'ritio I 8ee" that I am i the same state as that ma/7 I said

to m+se"8 that I was i the same state as that ma, ass*mi! 8or the momet that he was i the


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same state that he was des'ri(i! ad i the same state that the !reat sirit*a" tea'hers were

i/ 7What the he"" ha.e I (ee doi! a"" m+ "i8e Wh+ the he"" am I sitti! here "istei! to him7 I

the wa"-ed o*t with C*st oe si!"e tho*!ht whir"i! i me, as it were, "i-e i a whir"oo"/ 7How

do +o* -ow that +o* are i the same state7 I *derstad that the :*estio im"ies that I was

8ami"iar with the des'ritios o8 .ario*s states/ I had tried to sim*"ate them i me ad

e@erie'e them, ad that is a"" there is to it/ So this :*estio wet o ad o/ B*t s*dde"+ this:*estio a"so disaeared/ I said to m+se"8 that there is o reaso 8or me to 8ee" !rate8*" to

a+(od+, to e@ress m+ tha-s to a+(od+/

Whate.er has haeed to me has haeed desite "istei! to this tea'her or that tea'her, or

doi! this, that, or the other/ B*t i8 I sa+ a"" this, it is somethi! whi'h is ot .er+ iteresti! to

eo"e/ The+ wat to -ow, ad I te"" them that I m+se"8 do ot -ow/ I 'aot "oo- at m+se"8 ad

te"" m+se"8 that I am a e"i!hteed ma, that I am a 8ree ma, that tremedo*s 'ha!es ha.e

ta-e "a'e i me/ So, I *se this hrase whi'h we .er+ o8te hear o the 'ommer'ia"s/ It is ot

somethi! "i-e 7(e8ore ad a8ter the wash7 o washi! has he"ed me to rea'h a+where/ It is

C*st a haei!/ I sti"" ha.e to *se the word 9haei!9, (e'a*se there is o other wa+ that I

'a 'omm*i'ate this ad !i.e a 8ee" o8 this to a+(od+ e"se/

01 It is a"" "i-e a i8at C*st 'omi! ito the wor"d witho*t a+ memor+ or tho*!ht, tr+i! to see

the wor"d 8or the 8irst time, ad C*st 8i!*ri! it o*t as to how it a"" wor-s, C*st e@erie'i! it/ Wi""

that (e simi"ar to what +o* are ta"-i! a(o*t

A1 o/ It is ot 'orre't to sa+ that there is a+ -id o8 e@erie'e i ew(or 'hi"dre, (e'a*se

we ha.e o wa+ o8 !oi! thro*!h that a"" o.er a!ai/ A+thi! we sim*"ate ad tr+ to e@erie'e

is o"+ 8rom where we stad toda+/ Ad where we stad toda+ is the rod*'t o8 e@erie'es o8

a"" -ids/ So, a+thi! we e@erie'e, a"tho*!h we 'a"" it re(irthi! or tr+i! to e@erie'e what

it was "i-e whe we were a ew(or (a(+ or a i8at, is at*ra""+ 'o"ored (+ where we stad

toda+/ A+thi! we e@erie'e has o re"e.a'e, o meai! to what I am tr+i! to sa+/

There are ma+ eo"e who ta"- o8 re(irthi!/ It has (e'ome 8ashioa("e 8or eo"e to id*"!e i

that -id o8 8atas+/ Yo* -ow i ;aa the+ ha.e some te'hi:*es i whi'h (+ mai*"ati!

'ertai er.es at the (ase o8 +o*r head the+ wi"" ma-e +o* !o thro*!h the e@erie'e o8 +o*r

ow (irth/ I ha.e a"wa+s maitaied that the e@erie'i! str*'t*re is tota""+ a(set at the time

o8 o*r (irth/ Ad I a"wa+s :*estioed the s+'ho"o!ists, ese'ia""+ Fre*d, whe he made the

statemet that (irth is a tra*mati' e@erie'e/ I do9t thi- that it is a tra*mati' e@erie'e at a"",

(e'a*se there is o e@erie'i! str*'t*re there at a""/ A't*a""+ it is .er+ di88i'*"t to sa+ as to

whe the e@erie'i! str*'t*re i (a(ies 'omes ito oeratio/ I am oe o8 those who (e"ie.es

that the i8"*e'e o8 e.iromet is .er+ "imited o *s/ DI maitai that I am ot a a*thorit+ o

s*'h thi!s/ B*t the e@erie'i! str*'t*re is !eeti' i its ori!i ad i its e@ressio/E.er+thi! is !eeti'a""+ 'otro""ed/ I8 we rea""+ wat to 'ha!e idi.id*a"s, the o"+ wa+ we 'a

do it is ot (+ 'ha!i! the e.iromet, ot thro*!h 'ha!i! the '*"t*ra" i*t, (*t (+ tr+i! to

*derstad what rea""+ is the art that !ees "a+ i *s/ Ma+(e thro*!h some -id o8 !eeti'

e!ieeri! we 'a 'reate er8e't h*ma (ei!s/

01 So, +o* wo*"d s*ort !eeti' e!ieeri!


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A1 o, I do ot/ I am at the same time 'os'io*s o8 the 8a't that it is a .er+ da!ero*s thi! that

we are id*"!i! i/ Whe o'e we er8e't these e!ieeri! te'hi:*es, we wi"" had them

o.er to the state/ Therea8ter it wi"" (e a "ot easier 8or the state to mai*"ate idi.id*a"s ad t*r

them ito mere ro(ots/ DI am ot a!aist ro(ots, as we are a't*a""+ ro(ots, whether we "i-e it or

ot/ The state wi"" ma-e eo"e do thi!s whi'h the+ are *wi""i! to do/ Us*a""+ it ta-es a "ot o8

time ad a "ot o8 (raiwashi! to tea'h somethi! to eo"e 00 to ma-e eo"e (e"ie.e i 6od, toma-e eo"e (e"ie.e i a arti'*"ar o"iti'a" ideo"o!+/ risham*rti/ He '"aims to ha.e o memor+ o8 this

ro'ess/ It is the same thi! that has haeed to +o* 4o +o* ha.e a memor+

A1 I do9t wat to sa+ a+thi! a(o*t >risham*rti/ I do9t ha.e a+ idea o8 what haeed to

him/ I do9t -ow what he meat whe he said this/ A't*a""+ +o*r memor+ (e'omes .er+

e@traordiar+ a8ter this haei!/ B*t the ro("em whi'h we ha.e to 8a'e toda+ is di88eret/ Weha.e (ee *si! o*r memor+ a "ot/ I a"wa+s maitai D+o* ma+ :*estio this, ad the e@erts i

the 8ie"d o8 (rai h+sio"o!+ ma+ :*estio it (*t oe o8 these da+s the+ wi"" ha.e to a''et what

I am tr+i! to sa+ that the (rai "a+s a .er+ mior ro"e i the 8*'tioi! o8 the (od+/ It is ot a

'reator at a""/ It is C*st a rea'tor/ What this memor+ is we rea""+ do9t -ow +et/ Oe o8 these

da+s the e@erts who are dea"i! with this ro("em o8 memor+ wi"" ha.e to 'ome o*t with

aswers to :*estios "i-e what the e*ros are/

I maitai that memor+ is ot "o'ated i a+ arti'*"ar area o8 the (od+/ E.er+ 'e"" i o*r (od+ is

i.o".ed/ Ad m+ 8ee"i! is that we ha.e 'ome to a oit i the histor+ o8 ma-id where we

ha.e to 'o8rot the ro("em o8 eo"e who ha.e "ost their memories/ We ha.e *t memor+ ad

o*r (rai to s*'h *se 8or whi'h the+ are ot iteded/ This is oe o8 the reasos wh+ we 8idthat A"?heimer9s disease, or whate.er +o* wat to 'a"" it, is o the i'rease/ The other da+ I

heard that oe i two o8 those i the ei!ht+0+ear0o"d (ra'-et are a88e'ted (+ it/ Yo* -ow

re'et"+ there was a"so a reort o8 the same disease i E!"ad/ Si@ h*dred tho*sad eo"e

are a88e'ted (+ the ro("em there/

01 Yo* metioed a(o*t the mis*se o8 the (rai/

A1 Mis*si! memor+/ Usi! memor+ 8or *roses 8or whi'h it is ot iteded/ A8ter a"", what are

+o* Yo* are a memor+/ We ha.e to *se memor+ i order to s*r.i.e i the wor"d 'rated (+ o*r

so'iet+, '*"t*re, or whate.er +o* wat to 'a"" it/ There is o other wa+/ I -ow that it is a

e@tesio o8 the same s*r.i.a" me'haism/ o do*(t it is/

01 Whe +o* (*r +o*r 8i!er +o* withdraw it at o'e/

A1A*tomati'a""+/ There +o* do9t ha.e to *se +o*r memor+/ That is the wa+ this h*ma (od+ is

8*'tioi!/ B*t to s*r.i.e i this wor"d whi'h we ha.e 'reated, o*r wor"d o8 '*"t*re, so'iet+, or

whate.er +o* wat to 'a"" it, the 'ostat *se o8 memor+ is essetia"/ The who"e o8 o*r


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ed*'atio is (*i"t o the 8o*datio o8 how to de.e"o o*r memor+/ I am a8raid that I am !oi!

o88 o a ta!et/

01 Yes/

A1 I *s*a""+ ho, C*m ad s-i/ Let me tr+ to sti'- to this oit whi'h I am tr+i! to ma-e/

U8ort*ate"+, h*mait+ has "a'ed (e8ore itse"8 the mode" o8 a er8e't ma/ The idea o8 the

er8e't ma is (or o*t o8 the .a"*e s+stem that we ha.e 'reated/ That .a"*e s+stem is (or o*t

o8 the (eha.ior atters o8 the !reat tea'hers o8 ma-id/

01 ;es*s mi!ht (e a e@am"e o8////

A1 ;es*s, B*ddha ad a"" the !reat tea'hers/ E.er+ h*ma (od+, howe.er, is *i:*e/ at*re is

ot iterested i 'reati! a er8e't (ei!/ Its iterest is to 'reate o"+ a er8e't se'ies/

01 I8 e.er+ oe o8 *s is *i:*e, that im"ies that o*r 'ode o8 e"i!htemet, i8 there is s*'h a

thi!, wo*"d a"so (e *i:*e so that ea'h o8 *s rea'hes that state idi.id*a""+ ad *i:*e"+/

A1 E@a't"+/ That is what I am tr+i! to emhasi?e/ It is C*st ot ossi("e 8or *s to rod*'e

e"i!hteed eo"e o a assem("+ "ie/ Yo* -ow, i8 +o* "oo- at histor+, e.e a 'o*tr+ "i-e

Idia, whi'h rides itse"8 as a "ad o8 sirit*a"it+, has rod*'ed o"+ a .er+ 8ew e"i!hteed

eo"e/ Yo* 'a 'o*t them o +o*r 8i!ers/ B*t *8ort*ate"+, i the mar-et "a'e, we ha.e

ma+ '"aimats who sa+ that the+ are e"i!hteed, ad the+ are i t*r o*t to e"i!hte

e.er+(od+/ There is a mar-et 8or that -id o8 thi!/ The demad ad s*"+ ri'i"e is

resosi("e 8or that/ B*t a't*a""+ a e"i!hteed ma or a 8ree ma, i8 there is oe, is ot

iterested i 8reei! or e"i!htei! a+(od+/ This is (e'a*se he has o wa+ o8 -owi! that he

is a 8ree ma, that he is a e"i!hteed ma/ It is ot somethi! that 'a (e shared with

some(od+, (e'a*se it is ot i the area o8 e@erie'e at a""/

There is o s*'h thi! as a ew e@erie'e/ S*ose +o* !o to a ew "a'e/ What !oes o i

+o*r mid, i8 I ma+ *se that word, is that +o* are a"wa+s tr+i! to 8it whate.er +o* are seei!

ito the 8ramewor- o8 the ast/ The momet +o* sa+ that somethi! is ew, it is the o"d that is

te""i! +o* that it is ew/ So, it is .er+ di88i'*"t 8or *s to e@erie'e a+thi! ew (e'a*se, i8

there is somethi! rea""+ ew, it is ot i arti'*"ar 8rames that the o"d is destro+ed, (*t the

tota"it+ o8 the ast is destro+ed i oe !reat (i! ("ow/

01 I e88e't what +o* are sa+i! is that we 'aot e@erie'e a+thi! ew/

A1 Yes/ Yo* ma+ ot a!ree with me, ad (r*sh this aside as a(s*rd ad osese/ B*t there is

o s*'h thi! as a ew e@erie'e/ There is othi! ew at a""/ It is the o"d that te""s *s that it is

ew, ad thro*!h this !immi'- tho*!ht is ma-i! what it 'a""s ew art o8 the o"d, ad is th*s

maitaii! its 'oti*it+/ So, whate.er +o* 'aot e@erie'e does ot e@ist/ It ma+ so*d as a

.er+ do!mati' assertio o m+ art, (*t whe +o* tr+ to e@erie'e somethi! that +o* ha.e

ot e@erie'ed (e8ore, the who"e mo.emet o8 the e@erie'i! str*'t*re 'omes to a ed/


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01 Ha.i! read some a''o*ts o8 +o*r re.io*s "i8e, I !o (a'- to the e@erie'e that +o* had

whe +o* wet to see Ramaa Maharshi/ Yo* as-ed him, 7Whate.er it is +o* ha.e, 'a +o*

!i.e it to me7 Ad he said, 7I 'a !i.e it, (*t 'a +o* ta-e it7

A1 U8ort*ate"+, that is the traditioa" aswer that is dished o*t (+ a"" the sirit*a" tea'hers/

What is reorted i the so0'a""ed stor+ o8 m+ "i8e is a !ar("ed .ersio o8 what I a't*a""+ 8e"t at that

time/ A+wa+, a+thi! I sa+ toda+ is irre"e.at, (e'a*se I do9t -ow what I 8e"t at that

arti'*"ar momet, ad there is o wa+ I 'a re"i.e that e@erie'e 8rom here/ I said to m+se"8,

7What is it that he has I8 there is a+(od+ i this wor"d who 'a re'ei.e it, it is I/7 I said this to

m+se"8 ad wa"-ed o*t/ That, i a wa+, de'ided aother hase o8 m+ "i8e/

The o"d traditioa" aroa'h to the who"e :*estio o8 e"i!htemet was throw o*t o8 m+

s+stem, a"tho*!h I 'oti*ed to read (oo-s o re"i!io, st*died hi"osoh+, s+'ho"o!+, ad

s'ie'e/ I tried to 8id o*t aswers 8rom those eo"e who ha.e ot (ee 'otamiated (+ the

traditioa" tea'hi!s/ I !ot iterested i Wester hi"osoh+ ad s'ie'e, ad tried to 8id the

aswer to m+ (asi' :*estio/ M+ (asi' :*estio was oe :*estio& 7Where is this mid that we

are so 'o'ered a(o*t, that we are tr+i! to *derstad, st*d+, ad 'ha!e Wh+ do we ta"-o8 a tota" 'ha!e i the ma-e* o8 the mid I do9t see a+ s*'h thi! as mid there at a"", "et

a"oe a tras8ormatio or m*tatio o8 the mid/7 This :*estio a"wa+s itri!*ed me ad I

:*estioed e.er+(od+ a(o*t the mid/ I tried to !et aswers 8rom e.er+ area o8 h*ma tho*!ht,

(*t othi! he"ed me to 8id o*t the aswers to those :*estios/ At that time I did9t ha.e the

'ertait+ that I ha.e toda+/ The 'ertait+ I ha.e toda+ that there is o mid is somethi! whi'h I

'aot trasmit to a+(od+, howe.er hard I ma+ tr+, (e'a*se the .er+ thi! whi'h we are *si!

to 'omm*i'ate is i Ceoard+, ad +o* are ot read+ to a''et that ossi(i"it+/

01 The B*ddhists a"so ta"- a(o*t o mid/

A1 The+ made a tremedo*s str*'t*re o*t o8 that hi"osohi'a" tho*!ht/ The+ ta"-ed o8 the .oid/

The+ ta"-ed o8 emtiess/ Yo* -ow the who"e B*ddhist hi"osoh+ is (*i"t o the 8o*datio o8

that 9o mid9/ Yet the+ ha.e 'reated tremedo*s te'hi:*es o8 8reei! themse".es 8rom the

mid/ A"" the Ne te'hi:*es o8 meditatio tr+ to 8ree +o* 8rom the mid/ The .er+ istr*met

that we are *si! to 8ree o*rse".es 8rom the thi! 'a""ed 9mid9 is the mid/ Mid is othi! other

tha what +o* are doi! to 8ree +o*rse"8 8rom the mid/ B*t whe it o'e daws o +o*, (+

some stra!e 'ha'e or mira'"e, that the istr*met that +o* are *si! to *derstad

e.er+thi! is ot the istr*met, ad that there is o other istr*met, it hits +o* "i-e a Co"t o8

"i!hti!/


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C(APTE! 9

"ove is #nly a Trum: Card

$hen eerything fails, you use the last card, the trump in the pack of cards, and call it loe.

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The institution of marriage is not going to disappear as long as we demand relationships. %t will

continue in some way or other.

5nmarried couples are more miserable than married couples.

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The feminist moement will not succeed as long as the woman depends upon the man for her

sexual needs.

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%t is just not possible to establish any relationship with anyone around you, including your near

and dear ones, except on the leel of 2$hat do % get out of that relationship32 The whole thing

springs from the separation and isolation that human beings lie in today.

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+exuality, if it is left to itself, as in the case of other species, is a simple biological need. To

surie and reproduce oneself is the object of the liing organism. 1nything that is

superimposed on that is totally unrelated to the liing organism. *ut we hae turned sexuality

which is biological in its nature into a pleasure moement.

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Eerything that we are confronting today is born out of the religious thinking of man. *ut religion

has no answers for the future of mankind.

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1ll experiences, howeer extraordinary they may be, are in the area of sensuality.

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01 Whe ma is the same e.er+where, wh+ is there so m*'h di88ere'e amo! me I 8id a

'otradi'tio (etwee the ro("ems that ma is 8a'i! i Ameri'a ad E*roe ad those he is

8a'i! i *derde.e"oed 'o*tries/ For e@am"e, dr*!s, se@, 'rime, ad "eas*re are the

iss*es i Ameri'a ad West E*roea 'o*tries, (*t o.ert+, "a'- o8 ed*'atio, ad death d*e

to ma"*tritio are the iss*es i the *derde.e"oed 'o*tries/

A1 The di88ere'e is arti8i'ia""+ 'reated (+ the Wester atios/ The+ had the ad.ata!e o8 the

te'hi'a" -ow0how whi'h was (or o*t o8 the id*stria" re.o"*tio/ Whe the re.o"*tio wet to

Ameri'a, with the he" o8 that te'hi'a" -ow0how the+ e@"oited the reso*r'es o8 6od9s "et+

there/ Yo* -ow there was a time whe a+(od+ 'o*"d !o to the Uited States witho*t a

assort/ B*t i 1)11 the+ itrod*'ed the e'essit+ to ha.e a assort to eter the Uited

States/ I 1)3 the+ itrod*'ed the immi!ratio "aws/ O'e +o* are there i a arti'*"ar "a'e

ad esta("ish +o*rse"8 ad +o*r ri!hts, it is 8iished/ DI am !i.i! this as a e@am"e, (*t this

a"ies to e.er+ 'o*tr+/ I8 a+(od+ "ads ad 'o"oi?es a+ "a'e o a+ "aet, the+ wi""

esta("ish their ri!hts there ad re.et a"" other atios 8rom "adi! there/ The Ameri'as

esta("ished these same ri!hts/ It was 6od9s "et+ that he"ed the atios to de.e"o ad ho"d

o to what the+ ha.e/ B*t the+ 'oti*e to e@"oit the reso*r'es o8 the rest o8 the wor"d as we""as their ow reso*r'es/ E.e toda+ the+ are doi! that/ The+ do9t wat to !i.e */

Basi'a""+, h*ma at*re is e@a't"+ the same whether i Idia or i R*ssia or i Ameri'a or i

A8ri'a/ H*ma ro("ems are e@a't"+ the same/ A"" the ro("ems are arti8i'ia""+ 'reated (+ the

.ario*s str*'t*res 'reated (+ h*ma thi-i!/ As I said, there is some sort o8 DI 'a9t ma-e a

de8iiti.e statemet e*ro"o!i'a" ro("em i the h*ma (od+/ H*ma thi-i! is (or o*t o8 this

e*ro"o!i'a" de8e't i the h*ma se'ies/ A+thi! that is (or o*t o8 h*ma thi-i! is

destr*'ti.e/ Tho*!ht is destr*'ti.e/ Tho*!ht is a rote'ti.e me'haism/ It draws 8rotiers

aro*d itse"8, ad it wats to rote't itse"8/ It is 8or the same reaso that we a"so draw "ies o

this "aet ad e@ted them as 8ar as we 'a/ 4o +o* thi- these 8rotiers are !oi! to

disaear The+ are ot/ Those who ha.e etre'hed themse".es, those who ha.e had themooo"+ o8 a"" the wor"d9s reso*r'es so 8ar ad 8or so "o!, i8 the+ are threateed to (e

dis"od!ed, what the+ wo*"d do is a+(od+9s !*ess/ A"" the destr*'ti.e weaos that we ha.e

toda+ are here o"+ to rote't that mooo"+/

B*t I am s*re that the da+ has 'ome 8or eo"e to rea"i?e that a"" the weaos that we ha.e (*i"t

so 8ar are red*dat ad that the+ 'aot (e *sed a+more/ We ha.e arri.ed at a oit where

+o* 'aot destro+ +o*r ad.ersar+ witho*t destro+i! +o*rse"8/ So it is that -id o8 terror, ad

ot the "o.e ad (rotherhood that ha.e (ee rea'hed 8or 'et*ries, that wi"" he" *s to "i.e

to!ether/ B*t this has to er'o"ate to the "e.e" o8 h*ma 'os'io*sess/ DI do9t wat to *se the

words 9'os'io*sess9

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