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Brough Y (Yvette)

From:

White L (Lucy)

Sent: 21 N

ovember 2011 07:28

To: incom

[email protected]

Subject: FW: city hall

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Lucy White | B

usiness Support O

fficer

Heritage M

anagement D

irectorate

__________________________________________________________

Historic S

cotland | Alba A

osmhor

Longmore H

ouse, Salisbury P

lace, Edinburgh, E

H9 1S

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ber 0131 668 8719

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From: AN

NIE M

CKENZIE [

] Sen

t: 20 Novem

ber 2011 18:57 To: hs.inspectorate (external) Subject: city hall

dear sir,or m

adam

, i am

writtin

g to you regard

ing ou

r listed b

uild

ing th

e city hall in

perth

,i and lots of oth

er peop

le in p

erth d

ont w

ant it to b

e taken

dow

n.i th

ink th

e full cou

ncil sh

ould

have a say on

such

a big m

atter as th

at,there w

as just th

e comm

itee off 11 p

eople ou

t off 42

coun

cilors,7 voted

to dem

olish it an

d 4

against,n

ow w

hen

we elect ou

r cou

ncilors it is for all m

atters in b

ig decision

s like th

at.i was talk

ing to

our d

epu

ty lord p

rovest last tuesd

ay nigh

t and h

e said if i h

ad a p

ick i

wou

ld p

ull it d

own

tonigh

t.now

from th

e very start a mr lin

acre from

perth

wan

ted it an

d th

e coun

cil wou

ld n

ot give it to him

,he h

as been

at th

e coun

cil since w

arfside com

pan

y got it taken

back

,so wh

y are they

hell b

ent on

pu

lling it d

own

wh

en h

e wou

ld lik

e to take it over an

d get

it oppen

ed again

.i hop

e you see fit to d

eny th

em d

emolish

ing it an

d let

it get to the p

eople w

ho w

ants to op

en it u

p an

d get som

e life back

into

it.so we u

rge you to p

lease don

t allow th

em to tak

e it dow

n.

yours

mrs an

nie m

cken

zie

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From:

Mcgrath PJ (Paul)

Sent:22 N

ovember 2011 14:25:33

To:M

inisterial Correspondence U

nitC

c:C

abinet Secretary for Culture and External A

ffairsSubject:

FW: Perth C

ity Hall

For MA

CC

S please

Paul John McG

rath l Correspondence Secretary l O

ffice of Fiona Hyslop, C

abinetSecretary for C

ulture and External Affairs l 0131 244 1653

From: O

wen M

iller Sent: Friday, N

ovember 11, 2011 4:43 PM

To: Hyslop F (Fiona), M

SPSubject: Perth C

ity Hall

Dear Fiona,

I was w

ondering if as a Minister it is possible for you to look into this case in Perth

surrounding the City H

all, which the council is pushing to dem

olish to create a civicsquare.I am

concerned that the plans for the design of such a square have been sketchy atbest, w

ith the claims of econom

ic benefit being equally vague and as yet, without

substance.

Having w

atched yesterdays debate led by yourself on the importance of placem

akingand architecture w

ithin Scotland, I found myself agreeing w

ith comm

ents from across

the chamber, in particular w

ith your assertion that the demolition of existing buildings

being costly as well as environm

entally unsound. Indeed, having researched much of

the content of Joe Fitzpatrick's speech and reading the briefing papers before thedebate, it further seem

s frankly counter intuitive that Perth should do away w

ith finebuilding w

ith much potential.

Indeed comm

ents from around the cham

ber focussed on much of the "vanadlism

" thatw

as done to cityscapes across Scotland in the 60 and 70s when buildings such as this

were pulled dow

n without due consideration. W

hilst further strengthening your own

call for a reduction in VA

T on repairs and rennovations, this building highlights thepotential of a tow

n such as Perth (vying to become a city), to com

bine utlise its oldbuildings for econom

ic benefit.

There is considerable anger at the plans:

http://ww

w.scotsm

an.com/scotland-on-

sunday/scotland/anger_at_piazza_plan_for_site_of_perth_city_hall_1_1801726

Yet the council is determ

ined to go ahead with the plans:

http://ww

w.thecourier.co.uk/N

ews/Perthshire/article/18814/council-report-says-there-

is-no-viable-alternative-to-perth-city-hall-demolition.htm

l#comm

ents

In the above link the council appears to favour demolition w

ith no consideration foralternatives. In the link below

, we see that little over a decade ago the architectural

merit and popularity of the building w

as a focal point for the city.

http://ww

w.thecourier.co.uk/N

ews/Perthshire/article/17211/1990s-leaflet-praising-

perth-city-hall-reignites-row-over-the-building-s-fate.htm

l

I realise the Governm

ent may be unw

illing and/or unable to do anything to intervene,and realise that H

istoric Scotland will have the final say over w

hether demolition is

acceptable however it is an issue w

hich has been of considerable interest to myself,

and in light of yesterday's debate seemed a good tim

e to enquire.

I realise that this is not a consituency matter, and I m

yself am not a resident of Perth,

but I felt given the debate on the motion perhaps you w

ould be the best person tocontact?If not could you possibly point m

e in the right direction of the minister to contact?

Apologies for the length of this em

ail I realise it is overly verbose and given thevolum

e of correspondance time consum

ing.

Many thanks,

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To: Johnston L (Leigh)

Subject: Perth City H

all M

y husband and I strongly object to the demolition of Perth C

ity Hall.

Perth must be am

ong the very few tow

ns in the UK

which are w

ithout a functioning town hall.

Yours faithfully

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From: john robertson [

Sen

t: 16 Novem

ber 2011 18:22 To: H

S.Mem

bers Subject:

Dear sir/m

adam

As a resident of Perth it is with hope that our City H

all can be saved from w

hat i would call vandalism

I am

sure there is viable use for this important building and I am

writing to ask if there is anything w

e can do to stop this from

happenin g, I have seen the plans for an open space and am not sw

ayed by this Perth does not have the clim

ate for such a plazza idea, yours john This em


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From:

Marion

Sent:16 N

ovember 2011 14:12:05

To:Scottish M

inistersSubject:

Perth City H

all

Dear Sir/M

adam

I have heard on the news today Perth C

ity Council have voted to dem

olish Perth City

Hall. A

s a native of Perth I have followed the saga of this building s future. It holds

sentimental m

emories for m

e, I went to the dancing etc. in fact m

et my late husband

there. There used to be lots of events held there and it s just been allowed to

deteriorate. I would like to be recorded as being against the dem

olition.Y

ours faithfully

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Brough Y (Yvette)

From:

Johnston C (C

lare) on behalf of PS

/Historic S

cotlandSent:

17 Novem

ber 2011 09:51To:

Murray V

(Victoria)

Subject:FW

: Perth C

ity Hall

Victoria

For HM

to reply

Thanks

Clare

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essage-----From

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(Ruth)

Sent: 17 N

ovember 2011 07:58

To: PS

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cotlandC

c: Worm

ald L (Luke)S

ubject: FW: P

erth City H

all

Clare

Can you pass to heritage m

anagement to reply please.

Ruth

Ruth P

arsons | Chief E

xecutive

Historic S

cotland | Alba A

osmhor

Longmore H

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ent: 16 Novem

ber 2011 22:45To: P

arsons R (R

uth)S

ubject: Perth C

ity Hall

Dear M

adam

I write to you concerning P

erth city hall.

I am disgusted in the decision to dem

olish a piece of Perths heritage in favour of a 'civic square'.

Perth is a dying tow

n! There is nothing left anymore, they expect 150k visitors to flock to our

square but really what are they com

ing to see?? Row

s of to let signs on the shops and numerous

empty shops!

2

No one in P

erth wants the dem

olition of the City hall, can it not be handed to the people.

Can it not be used for a m

arket hall? This has proved successful in other towns and cities.

Perth council has to be stopped! They are intent on ruining this tow

n and they seem to forget that

we are not a M

editerranean town, w

e don't have the climate for al fresco dining!!

We need to be looking at things that w

ill attract people to Perth not drive them

away!

I meet m

ore Perth people w

hen I'm in D

undee, Stirling or Livingston w

hen I'm shopping there than

I do in Perth and the reason for that is these place know

how to attract visitors.

I really think this decision is wrong and once the H

all is down they w

ill realise the mistake they

have made and by then its far too late that part of P

erths history will be gone forever!

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Brough Y (Yvette)

From:

White L (Lucy)

Sent: 21 N

ovember 2011 07:21

To: incom

[email protected]

Subject: FW: P

ER

TH C

ITY H

ALL

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Lucy White | B

usiness Support O

fficer

Heritage M

anagement D

irectorate

__________________________________________________________

Historic S

cotland | Alba A

osmhor

Longmore H

ouse, Salisbury P

lace, Edinburgh, E

H9 1S

H

t| Num

ber 0131 668 8719

e| Lucy.White@

scotland.gsi.gov.uk

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From: R

on Craik [

Sent: 17 N

ovember 2011 10:45

To: hs.inspectorate (external) Subject: PER

TH CITY H

ALL D

ear Sir / Madam

, I w

ish to voice my disgust at the decision by Perth and K

inross council to demolish the C

ity Hall a L

ISTE

D

BU

ILD

ING

, if this building was ow

ned by a private individual they would not allow

it and I would not think Scottish

Heritage w

ould allow it either. If this goes ahead does this m

ean that other people will have the right to knock dow

n listed buildings? I think they should have looked at doing w

hat Edinburgh has done with the M

orningside North Parish C

hurch in adding various floor levels and have a low

er hall space for craft/ farmers m

arkets etc, and the upper levels as office space for sm

all companies or charities and also tourist inform

ation. W

ho is driving this demolish??? to have a civic square w

ith the weather w

e have had in the last 2 years is ridiculous. It w

as even high lighted on the TV program

me tow

ns that it would not be in the interest of Perth to dem

olish the Hall. The

council have just spent thousand paving the High Street (w

hich is not completed) and even now

the new slabs are cover

in chewing gum

etc. What sort of rubbish is a square going to cause???

I would just like to let it be know

n that I am proud of m

y roots and heritage and over the years P&K

CC

have destroyed m

ost of it. K

ind regards R

.Craik

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Louisa H

umm

S

enior Inspector H

istoric Scotland

LongmoreH

ouse S

alisbury Place

Edinburgh

EH91SH

Louisa.H

umm

@scotland.gsi.gov.uk

18 Novem

ber 2011 B

y email

Dear M

s Hum

m,

Perth City H

alls, King Edw

ard Street, Perth - 11/01083/LBC

and 11/01082/FLL S

AV

E B

ritain’s Heritage w

rites to request that you refer this case to the S

cottish Ministers. W

e believe strongly that the application was approved

without proper consideration to the building’s considerable architectural and

historic significance which is reflected by its C

ategory B status.

Perth C

ity Halls is of national im

portance and a fine example of a civic

building. It is the work of G

lasgow architects H

E C

lifford and Lunan and was

built between 1909-14, in a m

onumental neo-C

lassical style and remains a

dominant and handsom

e presence in the Perth C

ity Centre. Its ashlar w

alls crisp w

ith stone detailing mark the H

alls out as a building of the highest quality in term

s of construction and materials. D

istinctive features include the three-bay coupled R

oman Ionic portico, w

hile inside, there is a galleried rectangular hall w

ith five bays of lunettes and an arched ceiling. The C

ity Halls has been highlighted by the council as a key building in the C

ity C

entre Character A

rea of the Perth C

entral Conservation A

rea, designated by P

erth City C

ouncil because of its special character. The council’s C

onservation Area A

ppraisal and Managem

ent Plan (S

eptember 2008)

identifies a number of ‘key view

s’ to and from the H

alls. S

AV

E does not believe that the applicant has m

et the required tests as set out in national planning policy to justify dem

olition of a listed building. The building has not been adequately m

arketed – we are told by the applicant that in 2004

the preferred developer did not produce ‘an economically viable schem

e for the building’ - and there is no evidence that alternative uses have been actively sought. W

e believe the building should be put on the market again for

a reasonable period to allow other prospective buyers to com

e forward.

In our view, dem

olition will also contravene national and local planning policy

on conservation area which requires that conservation areas m

ust be enhanced and appropriate controls exercised over dem

olition. The C

ity Halls is em

inently capable of reuse. Leading conservation architects S

impson and B

rown have draw

n up an alternative scheme w

hich has shown

how the H

alls could be converted to provide a market hall (inspired by those

at Leeds, Spitalfields in London and C

ardiff), with business and retail on the

first floor and a part-covered terrace and gallery at the top of the building. The schem

e would also include a visitor centre and café. A

market hall such as

this would be the only of its kind in S

cotland and would serve to boost tourism

and the local econom

y while preserving an im

portant part of the city’s heritage. In light of these points, w

e urge Historic S

cotland to recomm

end that this application is called-in for public inquiry. Y

ours sincerely, R

hiannon Tracy B

uildings at Risk and C

asework O

fficer

Brough Y (Yvette)

From: D

ymond

N (N

icole)Sent:

21 Novem

ber 2011 10:48To:

Murray V

(Victoria)

Subject: FW: P

erth City H

all

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Nico

le From

: Captain Ian McR

ae [

Sent: 21 N

ovember 2011 09:44

To: hs.inspectorate (external) Subject: Perth City H

all D

ear Sir or Madam

, I w

ish to respectfully ask you to oppose the demolition of Perth C

ity Hall.

The proposal to demolish is typical council "slash andburn" policy, seen all too often

in cities all over Scotland. Dundee, for exam

ple, once had a city centre of great interest w

hich, if developed, could have been a major tourist attraction. Instead the

Council decided on dem

olition and the construction of concrete monstrosities.

Com

pare this with the fate of the O

ld Town in Edinburgh, or the centre of Y

ork, w

here old buildings sympathetically restoredhave proven a real draw

for tourists. The C

ity Hall in Perth is a m

agnificent piece of architecture which, if lost, is totally

irreplaceable. I urge you to put a stop to this m

adness in Perth. Sincerely, Ian F. M

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Brough Y (Yvette)

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ond N (N

icole)Sent:

21 Novem

ber 2011 11:30To:

Murray V

(Victoria)

Subject:FW

: Feedback assigned to [email protected]

Victoria

Another em

ail in connection with P

erth City H

all.

Nicole

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essage-----From

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cotland website [m

ailto:[email protected]]

Sent: 21 N

ovember 2011 09:37

To: hs.inspectorate (external)S

ubject: Feedback assigned to [email protected]

Please see the com

ment below

received via the Historic S

cotland online feedback form

http://ww

w.historic-scotland.gov.uk/feedback. If the correspondent has requested a reply, a

response should be issued within 21 days (by em

ail unless otherwise stated). P

lease send an em

ail to hs.website@

scotland.gsi.gov.uk once the reply has been issued, with the date of

response and outcome, in order for the database to be updated.

The following link is a guide to our standards for preparing a response but you m

ay also find it useful to send the link to the correspondent w

ith the response. Raising the S

tandard: http://w

ww

.historic-scotland.gov.uk/index/aboutus/raising-the-standard.htm

Thank You

Type of feedback: S

end a comm

ent

Subject of feedback:

A listed building

Other:

Com

ment:

The Perth &

Kinross council have decided to dem

olish the Perth C

ity Hall and replace it w

ith a P

iazza. I think this is an act of criminality and im

plore you to put a stop to this vandalism. There

are hardly any buildings of note in Perth and the council have not really tried to secure a lease for

the building as it is obvious they just want to see it destroyed. S

urely there must be som

ething that can be done to stop them

Reply?:

yes

Reply type:

email

Nam

e:

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urray

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ail:

Phone:

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19/11/2011 20:41:11

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From: Lucy A

nderson

Sent: 22 N

ovember 2011 20:04

To: Johnston L (Leigh) S

ubject: Perth C

ity Hall

Dear Leigh,

I am w

riting to you to express my absolute disgust at P

erth Councils

decision to demolish P

erth City H

all and I do not believe that other options for use of the building have been given due consideration. I hope that H

istoric Scotland w

ill act in Perths best interest and

preserve this beautiful and potentially useful historic monum

ent. Y

ours sincerely, Lucy R

ead S

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Allen L (Lynn)

From:

Johnston L (Leigh)Sent:

29 Novem

ber 2011 12:17To: M

urray V

(Victoria)

Subject: FW: P

erth City H

all

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From: Tair M

uir

Sent: 23 N

ovember 2011 09:08

To: Johnston L (Leigh) Subject: Perth City H

all

Dear M

adam,

I have written a letter a few

months ago to your departm

ent with m

y objection to Perth and Kinross

Council's plan to knock dow

n our listed City H

alls. I wasn't sure if m

y original letter was still being

taken into account so I am just popping in a w

ee e-mail just in case. I am

concerned that the council is citing the reason for dem

olition by saying that the hall is redundant and hasn't been used for a number

of years. I would like you to know

that since the opening of the new concert hall, the old C

ity Halls

have been under lock and key and been made unavailable to the people of Perth and K

inross. The building is fine and in good condition and w

as one of the first steel framed buildings of this type. It is

older than some of the buildings around it so isn't as claim

ed an 'Edwardian Interloper' and if you look

back to the oldest maps of Perth, this area w

as always built apon and never an open square w

hich I believe w

ould be odd in a medieval street plan.

Thanks for considering my objection again.

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Leigh Johnston H

istoric Scotland Longm

ore House

Salisbury Place Edinburgh EH

9 1SH

23rd N

ovember 2011

Dear M

s Johnston,

Dem

olition of Perth City H

all, Perth

We have been led to believe that you are responsible for noting objections for the dem

olition of Perth C

ity Hall. A

s a family, w

e strongly object that a building of such grandure, position of usefulness &

historical value should lose its right to protection through listing just to enable a lax council to save funds by the dem

olition of this property. In all the years w

e have noted Perth City H

all to stand empty, w

e, as mem

bers of the general public &

as council payers have never been informed that this property w

as open for public hire. If the council’s m

ain objection is to running costs then they have failed to advertise the property sufficiently to ensure its continued use leading us to believe they have had an adgenda for this property for som

e time. W

e also do not feel that to demolish a unique part of Perth’s history is the

right of any council. Is H

istoric Scotland not charged to safeguard the nation’s historic environment, w

hich includes that of the Perth C

ity Hall &

to promote our history?

How

does the demolition of Perth

City H

all fit into this framew

ork if not in an environment &

historical capacity? Is it not Historic

Scotland’s role in protecting this property from the m

oney grabbing short sightedness of Perth &

Kinross C

ouncil. In short, w

e are formally objecting to the inappropriate action of loss of listed building status from

Perth C

ity Hall &

the right to remove such a prom

inante & beautiful building.

Yours sincerely,

Linsey & Paul M

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cotland | Alba A

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.historic-scotland.gov.uk From

: Johnston L (Leigh) S

ent: 29 Novem

ber 2011 15:26 To: H

S.C

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ubject: FW: P

erth City H

all representation From

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ary Ellen H

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ent: 23 Novem

ber 2011 11:17 To: Johnston L (Leigh) C

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Subject: P

erth City H

all D

ear Leigh Johnston, I am

writing to register m

y objection to the proposed demolition of P

erth City

Hall. I am

not convinced of the argument that there is no possible future use

for this building, especially given the proposals submitted by S

impson and

Brow

n. The building seems to m

e to be in an ideal position for a Tourist Inform

ation Centre and could also give greater prom

inence to the

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collections cramm

ed in to the Perth M

useum and A

rt Gallery, w

hich seems rather

small and antiquated for all that it tries to do in a lim

ited space. I also have grave concerns about the effect on the local businesses of all the disruption w

hich would be caused by the dem

olition work - I cannot see

that St John's S

quare would be an attractive place to sit out in good

weather to enjoy a coffee or m

eal in as it is at present. How

can 2 years of m

ajor disruption be in the interests of adjacent businesses? N

or, it seems to m

e, would the end result justify the difficulties on the

ground. I don't think the practical implications of dem

olition have been fully thought through. I w

ill say that when I m

oved to Perth 18 m

onths ago I was quite happy at the idea

of demolition, but living here, understanding better w

hat the implications

would be, and thinking positively about w

hat the City H

all building could be used for in w

ays that would benefit the com

munity, has given m

e a different perspective. I think the chance could be taken to retrofit the building in such a w

ay that it would be an exem

plar of good design using 'green' principles w

ith a high specification for insulation, sustainable energy use etc. S

urely the millions of pounds proposed for the dem

olition could be used to a m

ore positive end? I hope H

istoric Scotland w

ill be able to overturn the rash decision of Perth

& K

inross Council.

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sincerely, M

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Leigh Johnston

Historic S

cotland L

ongmore H

ouse Salisbury P

lace E

dinburg E

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23 Novem

ber 2011 D

ear Ms Johnston

I write to express m

y grave concern regarding the proposed demolition of the P

erth City H

all, recently agreed by the P

KC

. I hope there is time to reconsider this approval and to find an alternative use for the H

all. I do not live in P

erth but have family living in Perthshire and as such regularly visit P

erth. I love coming to

Perth and I see this town having great potential but w

orry about the current state the town is finding itself in.

Clearly regeneration is w

hat is needed, and despite a new C

oncert Hall, this is yet to happen convincingly and

fully. T

he demolition of the C

ity Hall to create an open public space is not the w

ay forward. T

here are plenty of open public spaces in P

erth already. A large open w

indswept space w

ith no cover in a town that has an

average rain fall of 1500mm

, an average temperature of 17C

and cold north easterly winds I believe is not in

the best interest of the town and its population. S

uch an empty space in the heart of the tow

n will not attract

regular footfall which is needed for local business and it is those around this square that w

ill suffer as a consequence leading to m

ore closures and more unem

ployment, not less. T

his is comm

on sense, everybody can see this. H

owever, the plans put forw

ard by Sim

pson and Brow

n Architects (E

dinburgh) are an elegant, practical and a financially positive w

ay forward w

hen considering this building’s future. Having visited the E

nglish Market

in Cork, Ireland, w

hich was vibrant and buzzing w

ith activity from local m

arket stalls & traders and sm

all restaurants I am

convinced that this type of covered market and business space is the type of regeneration

needed for the centre of Perth. I’m

told this could be a first for Scotland and could becom

e a draw for visitors

to Perth, not only from

the local surrounding area but also as a draw from

further afield (as the English M

arket in C

ork has become a tourist attraction.)

I am sure P

KC

have considered their decision with care and for som

e reason cannot find a way forw

ard for the C

ity Hall so now

is the time for H

istoric Scotland to show

leadership, innovation and flair in finding a use for this building. I have visited the F

acebook page ‘Save Perth C

ity Hall from

Dem

olition’ where lots of

people have put forward all sorts of ideas. I presum

e the main problem

is the current maintenance costs

to the council but if this could be addressed successfully (such as for exam

ple with a com

mercial partner or applying

for European G

rant Funding for the refurbishm

ent works) this building could be saved before it is too late.

The future of the C

ity Hall is the future of P

erth! Y

ours sincerely M

s Renee G

roeninx van Zoelen

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ubject: DunlopG

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Yvette B

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cotland | Alba A

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erth City H

all From

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unlop

Sent: 23 N

ovember 2011 09:51


ubject: Perth C

ity Hall

Dear Leigh Johnston,

I am w

riting to express my

concern about the planned demolition of P

erth City H

all. It seem

s to me that a city

in dire need of imaginative thinking to re-invigorate its centre m

ay be in danger of taking an irreversible step tow

ards hollowing itself out, and denying

any other function than retail a place. In the current climate w

here retail itself is evacuating the city centres of S

cotland, such a policy is in danger of creating blank voids in the guise of 'urban piazzas', The H

all itself could be a focus for renew

ed comm

unity engagement w

ith the city centre, and should be considered as central to the 20th century history of the tow

n and beyond.

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I hope that you will

consider the demolition request to be ill-thought out and a potential liability

to the urban future of a town w

hich needs its heritage as part of its future. Y

ours sincerely, G

air Dunlop

Gair D

unlop artist and lecturer A

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From: Lynn.A

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ob Carr

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ber 2011 12:28 To: Johnston L (Leigh) S

ubject: Perth C

ity Hall

Leigh I understand you are coordinating objections to P

erth & K

inross C

ouncil's recent decision to demolish P

erth City H

all. I only recently m

oved to the area, but was struck on m

y first visit to Perth's centre - som

e 12 months ago -that

the imposing H

all was lying em

pty in such a prom

inent position within the centre of the tow

n. Only last w

eek did I discover that the council - w

ho not only own the building, but have the pow

er to also decide the listed building's fate - approved dem

olition. I contacted my local

councillors yesterday to find out more inform

ation, and state my am

azement at

why such a nihilist fate had been decided by the council. The councillors w

ere very helpful and inform

ative, but their fundamental issue seem

s to be that they

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cannot identify a use for such a redundant building, and demolition seem

s to be the only option left. I w

ish to object to such a decision, and would hope that H

istoric S

cotland is able to intervene to prevent irreversible destruction of Perth C

ity Hall. P

erth is regarded by many

as a fine Victorian/E

dwardian city, and rem

oval of such a building w

ould be massive loss to the visual appeal of P

erth. I also feel that there must be som

e national body - w

hether that is yourselves or som

e other government-sponsored departm

ent/agency - that could assist Perth

& K

inross Council re-assess the situation and help them

regenerate the building into som

ething that could benefit the town's centre.

Thank you for your help. R

obert Carr

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Allen L (Lynn)

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ber 2011 12:18To:

Murray V

(Victoria)

Subject: FW: C

ity Hall P

erth

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Yvette B

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: Ian Littlejohn

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ent: 24 Novem


ubject: Perth C

ity Hall

Having been brought up in P

erth but resident in Edinburgh for

many years I am

dismayed to learn about the proposal to dem

olish the City H

all having fond m

emories of com

peting in the annual Perth Festival as a boy in that

grand building. I feel that it could be put to better use as an A

rt Gallery as com

mon to m

any such establishm

ents the current building contains much art that is

never on display and consequently never seen by the general public .I am a

retired pharmacist and m

y experiences in Edinburgh w

ould lead me to

believe that a park of the size envisaged by the destruction of the City H

all w

ould be a magnet for direlicts and drug abusers. O

n the other hand an Art

Gallery m

ay well have a draw

ing power especially during w

inter months that

would bring in m

uch needed revenue to the city.

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From: Johnston L (Leigh)

Sent: 29 N

ovember 2011 15:28

To: HS

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erth & K

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erth City H

all representation -----O


From: K

atharine Huggett

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ent: 24 Novem


ubject: Perth C

ity Hall.

I am w

riting as a mem

ber of Historic S

cotland to request that you block the dem

olition of the grade 2 listed building known at P

erth City H

alls. The council has had its m

ind set on the demolition of this building

since they closed it 10 years ago. It has repeatedly asked the public via consultation w

hat should be done with it and then w

hen they didn't like the answ

er left the property alone again for a few years. The

plans that have been suggested by a variety of different consultants could help sm

all businesses once again become established in the city

centre. Whilst the façade should be retained, the internal structure

would need som

e work to re-purpose it but it w

ould allow the city centre

to become a centre of attraction once m

ore. The opening of this structure as a fixed stand covered m

arket that could be utilised by the various m

arkets that visit the town w

ould benefit everyone, we currently

stand out in the wind and rain w

hich does nothing for business. The second floor could house the sm

all shop units while the top floor could

become a gallery or office space.

This building was once a m

ajor feature of old Perth and before the

building of the St Johns centre, it had a public open area in front of

it. The Council has allow

ed other building to encroach on the City

halls space and now feels it should be dem

olished to make w

as for a faceless square that w

ill be of no financial gain to anyone. The effect of the dem

olition on the neighbouring buildings has not been determined

and I am concerned that som

e of them w

ill suffer an increase in the errosion and decay as a result. There is a m

ixture of building m

aterials present in the square and none of it matches. The C

ity Hall

also stops this from being obvious to visitors as on each turn around

the City H

all a new view

is revealed of both the other buildings and the hall itself. R

emoving the centre building w

ill also reveal the poor state of m

aintenance of neighbouring buildings. The complex

archeaological excavations that will also need to happen w

ill leave the w

hole area unfinished for years and more of the businesses w

ill move

out. The potential for other buildings to become w

eakened by the vibrations of dem

olition has also to be taken into account. Not

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forgetting the effect on traffic and the dirt that will result. The

building of a civic square will have a negative effect of the

surroundings overall. S

t Johns Kirk w

ill also become exposed, additional risk to this building

must also be taken into account.

The City H

all is a wonderful exam

ple of creative architecture. It is an interesting building to look at and it poses a num

ber of questions to the visitors eg how

old is this? What is it m

ade of, why is it

here..... I did not fully appreciate how young the building is until

recently, and it is surrounded by others that span a similar age but you

would not be able to w

ork it out just by looking. It would be

unreasonable to destroy something that can be reused. It is not falling

apart, revenue from re-use m

akes more sense than com

mitting the city to

yet another onslaught of dirt and dust from dem

olition to reveil nothing but a w

ind tunnel. One of the things that m

akes Perth stand out from

S

tirling and Dundee is that it has not allow

ed its older buildings to be rem

oved or changed. City H

all is part of that. P

lease help us protect this building. K

atharine Huggett

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Allen L (Lynn)

From:


29 Novem

ber 2011 15:44To:

Murray V

(Victoria)

Subject:FW

: I object to the plan to demolish P

erth City H

all and replace it with a P

iazza.

Victoria,

As discussed - for 'cuttings' response .

Many thanks,

Leigh

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essage-----From

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ardrop Sent: 24 N

ovember 2011 22:20

To: Johnston L (Leigh)C

c: Subject: I object to the plan to dem

olish Perth City H

all and replace it with a Piazza.

Dear Leigh Johnston,

The P&K

Council's plan has very little support in the "Fair C

ity" or the County. G

ood, low-cost

suggestions for redevelopment, such as a Tourist and V

isitor Info Centre, D

isabled Persons' Library, local H

istory Museum

, a fresh-food market, w

ith any left-over space to be converted to flats by a local builder, have all been brushed off, like the m

ajority opinion, by some of the C

ouncillors and Council officers, such

as Messrs Jim

Irons and Nick B

rian. There is suspicion of an underlying, secret Council agenda, so crazy

seem their proposals to destroy a historic asset, w

ith a hideous building site for years, then a useless empty

space, all at great cost, with no long term

job creation.

The proposed replacement by a square, a piazza or "Plaza" has m

inimal support and m

any objectors-you w

ill have seen their views in detail.

Very m

any of us in the town and C

ounty deplore these daft proposals for destruction and waste, at vast cost,

with great, avoidable losses. W

e hope Historic Scotland w

ill be able to save the City H

all, for adaptation to useful purposes.

We w

ill send you some relevant press-cuttings, by "snailm

ail" to indicate local peoples' published opinions.

Yours sincerely,

Isabel & C

harles Wardrop,

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From: austin flynn

Sent: 25 Novem

ber 2011 16:46To: asm

[email protected]

Subject: Save Scotland's Perth City H

all

For your consideration, You m

ust have fond mem

ories of the Hall.

The Retention of Perth C

ity Hall

The elected council of Perth 100 years ago had a vision, a vision that epitomises the

inner glow of belonging, belonging to a com

munity, being at one w

ith onesneighbours. They built a C

ity Hall for the people of Perth, it w

as to be the centre pieceof civic pride, built to accom

modate the interests of all citizens at reasonable cost.

They left a legacy, charging all subsequent councils to uphold that ideal, hence thepronouncem

ent that it would last for centuries, that w

as no idle boast, their vision ofthe building w

ould prove correct, it would last for centuries. U

nfortunately their faithin subsequent councils seem

s to be disappearing into the quicksand of politicalexpediency and the abyss of stagnation, the lack of vision is a failure of our currentcouncil w

ho appear deaf to all ideas,. Surely a dereliction of duty, a duty owed to

those whose dream

s they inherited, a duty to the people of Perth.

Puerile excuses come from

the lips of the incapable: In recent times council

spokesmen have criticised the building on the grounds that: It detracts from

the viewSt John's K

irk, it was a planning m

istake, its ugly, its out of proportion, its made of

concrete, the cherubs are overpowering and m

uch more. If that is so w

hy, as recentlyas 1996 did they include the follow

ing on one of their official documents, I quote :

Perth City H

all is a building of great architectural significance and beauty. Togetherw

ith the Kirk of St John, it form

s the focal point of central Perth, and, seen from the

Mercat C

ross in King Edw

ard Street, it is appreciated at its majestic best . C

ynicismis not m

y forte but, why the turnaround in the council m

ember's perception of the C

ityH

all, any of the critics care to answer?

How

many of the councillors supported, or objected to, the inclusion of the building

into Category B

, listed status? Could be an interesting research exercise.

How

ever honourable the MD

of McEw

ans, the close proximity of the C

ity Hall to that

enterprise does raise questions of vested interest, I would hate that his criticism

of thehall is m

uddied due to this factor but would it not be w

ise of him to back his statem

entthat its planning w

as a mistake by som

e concrete evidence.

Talking of concrete, comm

ents have been made that seem

to suggest that it is some

form of inferior m

aterial, it is interesting to know that it w

as used in buildingconstruction in ancient Egypt and R

ome, som

e of which are still standing. (A

rch ofSeptim

ius Severus)

These excuses have little to do with the criteria used in determ

ining the Historical and

Architectural value of the building, m

ore to do with a PR

campaign for the C

ity Hall's

demise.

History cannot be destroyed, neither can the architectural elem

ents that transform a

building into a unique structure be hidden, they are real, not ephemeral, they are part

of our heritage and culture to be cherished and not torn down on the w

him of som

ecom

mittee hell bent on destroying our inner city environm

ent. Their policy is there tobe seen, derelict shops, peripheral developm

ent, urban blight.

Planners forget the most im

portant element in a com

munity is the feeling of

belonging. They cannot see, nor accept that Perth is the focus of city and county life

and would allow

for an environment for cooperation. This is required for the

regeneration of this area within Scotland. It should be the hub used to revitalise

village and town life, life that is so im

portant to the prosperity of Perth and Kinross.

Did w

e get cooperation? No, even although a m

otion was put forw

ard to raise thism

atter with the full council, it w

as defeated, but not by a majority D

oes that appearstrange? Is the future of a category B

listed building not important? Is it that attem

ptsto allow

all of our democratically elected m

embers a say not contrary to the law

ofrepresentation and even m

ore so of comm

on sense?

Was m

y elected mem

ber, party to, or opinionated to the same decision as the

comm

ittee? I will never know

so I cannot challenge his or her decision and gauge my

reaction to the candidate in future elections. Refusing the am

endment is going to be

very embarrassing to those councillors deprived of having a say.

We even had excuses from

the chairman w

ho had to relinquish the chair due toconcern about a pre-em

ptive strike. It would have been m

uch more dignified if he just

apologised.

My ow

n impression and those sitting beside m

e was that the m

eeting appeared to beorchestrated by one person, M

r John Kellas, som

eone who appears to have a pow

erfulrole in the activities of com

mittees that control Perth and K

inross Council.

I read one day he was opening an office for citizens to enquire about jobs. W

hy refuseto discuss an opportunity for the em

ployment of 150 w

ith the chance of aneducational developm

ent unique in Scotland? It would appear that enquiry com

esbefore deploym

ent, a recipe that ensures that the importance is in looking, not

providing. Most are intelligent enough to know

the ramifications of such a policy.

Is Vivian Linacre an honourable m

an? I did a credit check on him and found nothing

untoward so I have no idea. W

ill the council give details why his proposal is falling

on deaf ears? Why cannot his concept draw

ings be considered as a viable alternative?Surely an independent interm

ediary, an expert in this field could be appointed toinvestigate this alternative, is that not dem

ocracy in action?

On the question of accountability

Where by the w

ay, is the Councils B

usiness Plan for the square? Have they taken on

board, without question, the unrealistic revenue predictions, picked out of thin air by

their consultants?

Is the projected profit of ?50,000 realistic considering that the one in Edinburgh is

currently running a deficit of ?225,000 and has made a loss every year since opening?

I am told that the one in G

eorge Square Glasgow

also runs at a loss. When w

ill thebusiness plan be presented to the people of Perth?

Other proposals are em

erging and the four million pounds set aside for the C

ity Halls

demolition w

ould go a long way in adapting the interior to m

eet some of these

requirements. K

nocking it down is a cop out of the councils responsibility in the

upkeep and care of our listed buildings.

Austin Flynn

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vette Brough | H

eritage Managem

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ubject: Perth C

ity Hall

Dear S

irs I am

very concerned about P

erth City H

all, the Perth council have voted to dem

olish this listed building. They have this crazy idea of creating a plaza on the site and dem

olish this much loved building. I am

a native of Perth and w

ent to dances and concerts etc. there, in fact I m

et my late husband at a dance. They w

ill create a big draughty area and the existing outdoor eating areas w

ill lose the shelter of the C

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: Johnston L (Leigh) Sent: 29 N

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ity Hall

representation From

: D

erek Burns

Sent: 25 N

ovember 2011 11:12

To: Johnston L (Leigh) Subject: P

erth City H

all

15

D

ear Ms.Johnston,

I start by admitting that I am

no where as articulate as the

likes of Denis M

unro a fellow ow

ner /ocupier in Beaum

ont House.

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I know nothing of the legal/red tape that goes w

ith planning decisions re dem

olishing the City H

all what I do know

is what a m

istake it will

be for the residents of Perth &

in particular the residents in the St

John's Place area.

Born & bred in S

cotland and having lived abroad for many

years & returning ten years ago I have seen a huge drop in the living standards/quality of life,for the tow

n council to think that a creating a plaza w

ill benefit the city are living in cloud cuckoo land!! There is no w

ay that the style of living in this country can be com

pared to those that live for example in E

urope or further afield South

Africa. The 'cafe society' m

entality does not exit in this town or I

suspect country. Sim

ple things like pavements covered w

ith chewing gum

, cigarette ends,rubbish throw

n down (even w

hen a rubbish bin is two steps

away!!!) etc.already exists.

Never m

ind the open aggression that is on show by the groups

that 'hang' around the area day & night,drink culture (people drunk by mid

morning staggering around sw

earing & m

aking a spectacle of themselves,drugs

obviously are taken although I admit to not know

ing how that affects the

individuals!! The bad language used & the look of fear on the older m

ore frail mem

bers of the comm

unity who are going about their everday life is

only too easy to see. D

emolishing the building is as far as I can see w

ill not benefit the existing restaurants in the area as they have the passing trade already w

hich will not increase,their patrons know

they are there already &

as no more people as likely to com

e through the prposed 'hole' in the tow

n cenre . There are no shops that face onto the square, they are off at angles & w

ill not gain any additional footfall,so to say the retailers w

ill benefit is questionable as far as I can see. I have returned the application objection form

s from the

planning department,never received any response or reports.

There was a 'table' set up in the shopping centre several

months ago at the tim

e of the last 'public discussion' I spoke to a m

ember of the planning departm

ent at the time &

her attitude was one of

don't waste m

y time the building is com

ing down.S

he denied there were social

problems in P

erth & the city hall area in particular,eventiually told her

in total frustration that she must live on a different planet, not very

mature but....

The building itself is beautiful,the figures & colum

ns eyecatchng,there is nothing like it in tow

n, to demolish w

ould be wrong!!

There must be a use for the building,perhaps rip out interior

completely,m

ake weather proof &

perhaps use for open markets like the

farmers m

arket,the stall being let at a premium

rate,the public then have a place to shelter from

the bad weather helps sales ,keeps building in use

(albeit infrequently). council would get a very sm

all return on rental (better than nothing if building pulled dow

n!)

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There has to be a solution to this problem,I don't know

enough about local politics or regulations but suspect that not enough has/is being done to get this resolved,suspect there is a large degree of apathy from

the council mem

bers who w

ill reliase to late that something

could have been done to save a beautiful building. There w

as a ''concert' last weekend at the side of the city

hall facing away from

the square,my flat is at the back of the building

but the noise was unbelievable and the council w

ant to hold regular events of that nature.......enough said!!! I know

my com

ments are based on em

otions/ observations rather than legal com

ments but I do feel that dem

olishing the hall w

ill only make m

ore problems than solutions for the tow

n centre. Yours faithfully D

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Date S

ent: 29/11/2011 06:11:06 Y

vette Brough | H

eritage Managem

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ssistant __________________________________________________________ H

istoric S

cotland | Alba A

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D

ear Ms. Johnston,

I attended the m

eeting of Perth C

ouncil when the vote to dem

olish the hall was taken. A

few

mem

bers felt further consideration should be given to the new points raised

by the public. Their views w

ere swept aside in a m

ost flippant manner alm

ost to suggest that further discussion w

ould be tiresome and unproductive.

I suggested to the council that the H

all could become a m

useum in w

hich to display the many

artefacts associated with P

erth either residing in the cellar of the current museum

or elsew

here.The Carpow

boat is in Edinburgh as there is no suitable venue in

Perth. The various C

eltic stones from P

erthshire are either in other museum

or

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rotting away in situ. W

here are the exhibits referring to the whisky industry,

the railways, the royal associations and m

any more events w

ith which P

erth has been associated and but w

hose mem

ory is being lost. When I asked if a m

useum

had been considered I was ruled out of order, but I persisted and it w

as quite apparent that no thought had been given to this suggestion or I suspect to any others. D

undee is getting the V

&A

despite having recently refurbished the McM

anus to great acclaim

. Kelvingrove and E

dinburgh museum

s are attracting large numbers of

tourists into their areas. Tourists need to eat, require accomm

odation, spend m

oney in nearby shops, although this point does not seem to occur to som

e people, all of w

hich would increase the econom

ic activity of a town in decline.

Have the council visited these places to see just how

busy they are? S

tornoway w

as given a grant £4.6M

to convert a castle into a museum

. Perth has earm

arked £6M

to form the square and if able to attract sim

ilar funding would have a total

pool of £10M.

Margate, in

Kent, despite being in the S

outh East of E

ngland is a run-down tow

n with m

any em

pty shops not unlike Perth high street, have built a brand new

museum

for £14M

. It is already reported that more visitors are com

ing to town, cafes have

been opening and general trade is on the increase. Perth has at least as m

uch to offer as M

argate but the council do not seem to have considered

anything other than retail and at the first hurdle thrown in the tow

el. Perth

already has a suitable building in the City H

all therefore it might be expected

that the costs should be less than those in Margate

The principal reason given to dem

olish the City H

all is to allow a better view

of St John's

Kirk. If the C

ity Hall w

as retained, a structure similar to that in the R

eistag in B

erlin built into the hall or more sim

ply a viewing gallery on the roof

would give unparalleled view

s of the Kirk

I could continue at great length on this them

e. Perth's associations w

ith Ruskin, w

ith the pre-raphelites, John B

uchan, Patrick G

eddes and many m

ore is not being com

mem

orated as the present museum

is just too small. The layout and scale of

the City H

all together with its central position w

ould provide the perfect solution. A

cultural centre for Perth w

hich would attract com

merce and be

available to future generations.

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In my

submission I hope I have exposed the fallacy the council have been prom

oting, in that there is no other purpose to w

hich the City H

all could be put or at the very least foce them

to think more w

idely than they have done to date. I am

suggesting a new

start for a building which has served P

erth well for 100years

and I submit could continue to do so for at least another century.

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ubject: HutchesonE

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To: "" (incoming@


ate Sent: 29/11/2011 06:11:15

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arbara); Johnston L (Leigh) S

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ity Hall

Hi

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y objection to the demolishion proposed by P

erth and K

inross Council.

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[email protected]

Received: 05/12/2011 10:23:48

Subject: FW

: Perth C

ity Hall representation

To: "" (incoming@


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ehalf Of A

nn McIntyre

Sent: 28 N

ovember 2011 13:53


ubject: Perth C

ity Hall

This is to express my concern at the short-sighted decision

- made, in an undem

ocratic style, by a small P

erth &

Kinross C

ouncil comm

ittee - that Perth C

ity Hall should be

demolished. I question that this is the favoured choice

of the majority of P

erth's citizens. Our flat is situated opposite the

City H

all. We look out on and w

alk past at that building many

times every day and ponder in disbelief that it m

ight soon be no more.

The hall is beautifully constructed - its demolition w

ill cost a vast sum

. Moreover, its destruction w

ill cause untold and costly havoc to the public, to residents and to shop/restaurant keepers throughout that lengthy expensive process. The proposal is that the hall w

ould then be replaced by a w

indy open space for which m

any noisy cacophony events are planned and w

hich might w

ell attract undesirable

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loiters - the 21st century at its worst.

The Council is once again ignoring a sensible offer for

use of the hall as an indoor market. This proposal has been put forw

ard by V

incent Linacre. It is particularly distressing to have it ignored as w

as Mr Linacre's original proposal in 2007. A

t that tim

e he already had first class tenants lined up to bring prestigious firm

s to Perth but at that tim

e, the Council preferred to

chose the cheaper ill-fated option from W

harfside. P

resently there are many successful m

arkets held in the streets around S

t John's Kirk but for m

uch of the year, considering our inclem

ent weather pattern, it could surely be m

uch enjoyable for these occasions - for both stall holders and custom

ers - if they were

held in a bright and well planned indoor environm

ent. A

part from P

erth's many church buildings - one of

which has long been in unsafe disrepair - there is scarcity of

architectural features in Perth. Is it right that a unique building

be destroyed when its surroundings include an ancient cem

etery, quaint cobbled streets and a peaceful environm

ent and approach to St John''s historic

Kirk? O

ur family's m

any visitors from around the

world listen in disbelief and dism

ay when I tell them

of the C

ouncil-led proposals that the City H

all be demolished.

I know you w

ill do all you can to help this special hall to be retained. O

ur family are enthusiastic readers of H

istoric S

cotland's beautiful and interesting magazine, so here's hoping that before too

long your magazine m

ay include an article on the history of and optimistic

future for Perth's C

ity Hall!

Thank you for all your thoughtful and much appreciated

efforts of behalf of many of us.

With every good w

ish,

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Subject: FW

: The mindset of councillors - P

erth City hall representation

To: "" (incoming@


ate Sent: 05/12/2011 10:24:16

Lynn Allen | B

usiness Support A

ssistant __________________________________________________ H


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ubject: FW: The m

indset of councillors - P

erth City hall representation

From:

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RIE

Sent: 28 N

ovember 2011 19:55


ubject: Fw: The m

indset of councillors ----- Forw

arded Message -----

From: R

IMR

IE

To: perthshire advert. S

ent: Friday, 25 Novem

ber 2011, 18:02 S

ubject: The mindset of

councillors

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Dear E

ditor, A

lthough I now

reside outwith the county I still m

aintain an interest and fondness for the area. M

y great grandfather, William

Imrie w

as a Lord P

rovest of Perth(1856-1861) as w

ere two of his brother-in-law

s. O

ne of whom

, Jam

es Cuthbert (1905-1909) saw

the creation of King E

dward

Street and

the building of the present City H

all, during his term of office.

Indeed at the entrance you w

ill see his name, on a plaque, as testim

ony to his part in the big undertaking. I refer to to the building as the "C

ity Hall"

as in my m

ind it has alw

ays had this status. This brings me to the m

isguided decision of the C

ouncil, to demolish it. M

y original objection was subm

itted too late to be accepted, hence this response. I am

concerned about the mindset

of the C

ouncil. That they should consider this action beggars belief. The C

ity Hall

is a direct link to our hreitage. The central position it occupies, dom

inates an area to w

hich tourists naturally graduate.It's grandeur cannot be replicated, or it's history cast aside. The proposal w

as to replace it with nothing.

How

can the Council

think, that by creating an open space, they are demonstrating

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to tourists a m

odern view. A

ll they are doing is denying them our history. A

balance m

ust be struck betw

een shopping malls, that have no architectural significance.

They only dem

onstrate the averice and " must have"attitudes of these tim

es, against a truly m

ajestic structure, making an everlasting statem

ent, to our heritage that is irreplaceable. yours sincerely' R

obert C

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Received: 29/11/2011 14:12:55

Subject: FW

: Perth C

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From:

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mins B

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ovember 2011 17:17

To: HS

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erth &

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Subject: FW

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ity Hall

From:

Alan Farquhar

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ent: 28 Novem

ber 2011 15:46 To: C

umm

ins B (B

arbara) C

c: Johnston L (Leigh) S

ubject: Perth C

ity Hall

Dear M

s Cum

mins, (cc Leigh Johnston)

I am w

riting to lodge an objection with H

istoric Scotland against

the plans by Perth and K

inross Council to dem

olish Perth C

ity Hall.

I am shocked that

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demolition of such a fine building could ever be considered and I do hope that H

istoric S

cotland will not support such a proposal.

The reasons for demolition put forw

ard by the council thus far are quite sim

ply laughable. I read one letter in The Herald new

apaper from a

councillor who's best argum

ent for demolition w

as to improve the view

to another building, nam

ely, the church which is situated just behind the C

ity H

all. Surely our architectural heritage is not so disposable that a fine

building like this can be bulldozed to improve the view

of another? R

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s. Johnston, I am

sure you are aware of the controversy surrounding the fate of the P

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ouncil's handling of the matter has been

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illfully ignoring Vivian

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ity Market. This is by

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hich I would

consider an act of cultural vandalism.

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