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Nadi Astrology - Part 1

Written by: Pemmaraju V.R.Rayudu ([email protected])Source: http://webpages.charter.net/rayudu/nadiastrology.htm

The following article was published in "The Times of Astrology"magazine,New Delhi, India Jan 2000.

Introduction

Most of the readers may be knowing by now about Nadi astrology,since many articles have been published in magazines andnewspapers. Some books were also published and much exchange ofinformation has been taking place through internet and e-mail. For thebenefit of those who are not familiar with this branch of astrology I give

a brief background of the same from the reliable literature. Nadiastrology was written on palm leaves in ancient India. It is mostlyprevalent in South India particularly in the Tamilnadu State. Its maincenter is a place called 'Vaitheerswarankoil' near 'Chidambaram'inTamilnadu State. It is also available in some other places of Chennai,Kanchipuram, Salem, Hyderabad/Secunderabad, Tirupati etc. There aremany Nadi Grandhas and they are named after Hindu Gods, Sages andPlanets such as Mahasiva Nadi, Brugu Nadi, Kowmara Nadi , KoushikaNadi, Vashishta Nadi Agastya Nadi, Sapta Rishi Nadi, SatyaNadiChandra Kala Nadi etc. They are available in the languages of Tamil,Sanskrit mainly. The palm leaves are held by certain families who read

the results from the palm leaves mostly by taking the thumbimpression and some from palm and birth data.I also propose to discuss brief examples of actual readings from thumbprints or otherwise from some nadi astrologers, their veracity withrespect to past and future, correlation with traditional astrologicalprinciples, my experiences, opinion of others, doubts and questions,further research required on the same. This is based on my collectionof data and research for the last three decades

History

The origin of these leaves can be traced back to approximately 2000years ago. It is presumed that the Sapta Rishis (Seven Sages) hadwritten the life patterns of each person on palm leaves along with theirtypes of names by their Yogic Powers. These unique leaves were keptin the Saraswati Mahal' library of Tanjore city of Tamilnadu State inIndia. Later during the British Rule the British were very keen to
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The Nadi Astrologer is generally busy and one has to take anappointment with him a month before approximately When you gothere on the appointed day he checks his dairy and take the threeimpressions of the right thumb for males and the left thumb forfemales on a paper giving serial order number and ask you to wait till

he calls you. Then he goes inside his library room where the palmleaves are kept which is not accessible to others. After an hour or so,sometimes quicker, he comes back with an old palm leaf bundle calledindex leaves. After making himself comfortable he carefully unwindsthe long string which keeps the bundle in tact. He tells you to answeryes or no to his questions. With great devotion he takes the first palmleaf and starts reading on one side. The reading style is of funnyaccent in a poetic way, not understandable to even Tamilians. Afterreading one or two lines or even less sometimes he asks you somequestions and you have to answer yes or no only. If you say 'No' heproceeds to the other side of leaf or next leaf and continues his

questions. The questions are generally one or two at a time , such aswhether y our name is after some God /Goddess contains 3 or 4 or soletters or so, starts ends with a particular letter in a Varga (series) ofthe Hindu alphabets, Similarly about the names of parents andwife/husband whether anyone of them or both are alive or dead,number of elder and younger brothers and sisters, number of childrennumber of uncles, type of profession, whether you are born in rainyseason /summer etc. whether you are born in moveable /fixed/dualMoon and lagna rasis, whether you are born in a particular Moon Birthstar whether you are born in a particular day in a particular yearwhether your age is so and so etc. He says that h e does not know

what questions to ask unless he scans the leaves and that is why theygenerally insist the concerned person or a person who knows everydetail about the persons consulted, should be present to answer thequestions correctly, otherwise they say the readings won't go wrong.They do no bother much of you cannot answer questions about birthdate month age, Moon rasi and star, lagna and they seem to bothermore about matching of your name names of parents andwife/husband. If he gets 'No' answers to all the leaves of the firstbundle which he goes back into his library and brings another bundle.This process continues for an hour or so generally covering generallyup to bundles each consisting about 50 leaves or sometimes quickly

even in the first bundle till he and your are satisfied and the answers toall the questions in a particular leaf are 'yes' only Concerning names,parents, wife /husband, co-borns profession etc.Then he goes inside and bring another particular bundle and reads inpoetic style your actual birth date month land year the astrologicalbirth chart with position of planets sometimes with lagna also exactnames of yourself, parents, wife/ husband, co-born, education,profession and gist of future predictions in a broad way and this is


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called General Kandam (chapter) of first bhava. You can verify thechart given if you know your birth chart he writes the concerned versesfrom the leaf in a note book . Then he records the same in an audiotape with translation into common understandable Tamil or some otherlanguages with the help of a translator if necessary . He generally

charges a minimum of 300 rupees upto this General Kandam Then heasks you whether you want to more details about any particular aspectof your life such as marriage, profession, etc and if so he picks upcorresponding bundle and charges a similar amount extra for eachaspect which he calls it a separate kandam or chapter. Some chaptersgive details about previous birth, remedial measures etc. At the end hehands over the note book and audio tape to you with devotion andtakes money generally at the place where the photos of Gods /Goddessare there.

Details Of Kandams (Chapters)

The details covered in each Kandam generally are as follows:-Kandam 1 - To be found through thumb impression (gents right, ladiesleft or sometimes by horoscope of the concerned person or palm, willcontain name parents and wife/husband's names brothers, sisters,maternal uncles, children, profession and general list of futurepredictions for all the 12 houses.Kandam 2 - Money family speech, eyes, education.

Kandam 3 - Brothers and Sisters

Kandam 4 - Mother ,House, Lands, Vehicles, Pleasures

Kandam 5 - Children Birth of children, reasons for not having children.

Kandam 6 - Enemies, Diseases, Debts, cases in court.

Kandam 7 - Marriage., Married life

Kandam 8 - Danger to life, longevity, period of death.Kandam 9 - Father, Wealth, luck, Temple devotion to God ,Preachingfrom Holyman

Kandam 10 - Business, Job, Profession

Kandam 11 - Gain , Second Marriage.

Kandam 12 - Expenditure , Foreign visit, salvation,next birth.


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Kandam 13 - Shanthi Kandam - Last Birth, Sins committed, remedialmeasures

Kandam 14 - Deekshakandam- Mantra Japam and wearing of talisman(Raksha)

Kandam 15 - Avushathakandam Medicines for long standing diseases.

Kandam 16 - Dasa Bhuktikandam prediction for the present major andsubperiod of the planet.

In addition to these, there is also a special chapter for 'Prasna' whereanyquery is answered.

Generally Remedial measures are like visiting particular temple,

feeding thepoor etc, corresponding to sins the remedial measures re suggested.Suggestion of giving alms to the Nadi reader.

Identification Process From Thumb PrintImpression

Lines on the thumb are classified in 1008 types, some say 108 types.Palm leaves are arranged according to these types. The Nadi readers

identify the particular types of lines on the thumb and thecorresponding set of palm leaves is taken. For example, a particulartype is called Conch Shell with a circle. Among these there are manysub-divisions based on the number of dots on the thumb. Impressionswith 5 or more dots are very rare. The time duration to pick up yourleaf depends upon the identification of the thumb impression. Someimpressions are identified easily and the corresponding leaves arefound soon, for legal purposes, the whole thumb is studied minutely.But they concentrate only on the centre part of the thumb and the sub-divisions therein.

Claims Of Nadi ReadersAccording to the claim of Nadi astrologers the contents of the leaf are99% accurate. And it is the accuracy that has made people fromdiverse walks of life throng his residence. Generally he insists onseeing only about 5 people a day on appointment, which is usuallyfixed a month in advance. Without the truth and integrity, they cannotsurvive for so many years and generations. Of course, there are places


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where there are fake leaves. They will not be able to show the leaf withyour name and other details they have clients from USA, Canada ,Japan, Hongkong, Singapore, Sri Lanka, Malaysia and other places.Some even faxes their thumb impressions and gets the predictions.They have translators with them to serve them their children are also

inherent in this profession and they are learning the old script andother languages. With the blessings of their ancestors, they willcontinue for generations. They have so many people benefited by theremedial measures and they get feed back from the clients. Pleasedwith their service, they bring their friends and other relatives for Nadireading. They would like to tell the people that they are only 'Nadireaders'. What is written on the leaves is read and explained by them.They themselves do not add anything. Some clients get irritated whensome of the facts are unpleasant. They cannot help it. With utmostpatience they clear their doubts. Common people and VIPs (veryimportant persons) from all walks of life have consulted them. They

show them the particulars of where the predictions for the native aregiven. Some of their customers are able to read the leaves on theirown. Some even buys their leaves for preservation. They can eventake photographs of the names in the leaf. It is possible to train thosewho are interested in learning nadi Jyotish in terms of Guru-Shishyaparampapra (teacher-Discipline system)and Sanskrit languages, andthis knowledge of Nadi Jyotish could be acquired by those who aretotally dedicated lifelong to this Shastra (science).However, the future of the leaves themselves seems to be uncertain.Though the leaves are smeared with Ayurvedic act, the leaves wouldturn black after 100 years or so. While they plan to save the contents

of the leaf on the computer, they have their own doubts about doingthat. They will not feel the same reverence reading the computerprints out as they do when they read the leaf.

Some Examples Of Actual Nadi Readings

I prefer to give below three Nadi Readings taken from me fromdifferent Nadis and Readers, so that their veracity can be discussedauthentically, since I cannot give here all t e readings from variousNadis consulted at different places at different times which also gavesome correct future results.

Kowmara Nadi Reading In Chennai

My first encounter with a Nadi Grantha was on 22nd February 1968 (inmy 29th year) when my father -in-law Shri U.G.Krishna Murthy(Philosopher and World traveler , popularly known as U.G.) havingknown my interest in the study and research of astrology, took me


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personally to Kowmara Nadi astrologer (Shri T.Chandrasekhar) inMadras (now Chennai) India, since h e knew Tamil also. I happened tosee the correct Kowmara Nadi Readings of my father-in-law muchearlier , which was given by the father of the present nadi reader.The Nadi Reader asked whether I knew my date and birth chart and he

said it would be faster to pick up the concerned leaf. I gave him thesame./ Then the procedure was the same , he brought back someindex cards and asked me questions to answer yes or no leaf after leaf.Some of the questions whether my name and my father's name weregiven after the name of Lord Venkateswara, whether I have one sisterand one son, whether my wife's name was after one of the names ofwives of Trimurthy's (Bhrahma ,Vishnu,Maheshwara) etc. I asked formy profession (10th Kanda) and he wrote the readings in Tamil versesin a notebook and translated in English as follows."After praying to Goddess Parvati , Vasista and Viswamitra arenarrating the tenth part of a person having following horoscope"- Ravi

Buddha and Kuja in Simha, Guru in Khumba, Ketu in Mesha , Chandrain Makara , Sani in Meena, Tula Linga, Sucker and Rahu in Lagna.Name Venkata Ramana , Mother Annapurna, Father Venkat Rao. TheLord of the 10th house being Chandra is deposited in kendra. Sukra isin his own house and is expected by ketu. Guru and Sani are inparivartana. Kuja and Buddha in the 11th house. For these reasons hewill have average ancestral property. He will have a very good start inhis career and makes a great deal of progress in all his enterprises.The details are as follows."He completes his education in 21st year and proficiency will be shownin vocational education . He will be employed in the following year. He

will be skillful in making the necessary parts of machines and servicewill be rendered to a private commercial firm. He will be paidadequately. Government will be helpful to him in the part of his workfrom 23rd year . He will be engaged in the manufacture of defensearticles He will show his efficiency in planning and designing variousequipments. He will have a great name in 27th year. He will beoccupied in the making of high explosives which is planned by tube-like things and also things, which are useful shooting with the intentiondamaging lives and properties. The practical work will be intensified inthe 28th year. The scientific knowledge in the matter will be made full.His power will raise. He will see whether the work is carried out

properly . His skill will be encouraged in the 30th year and he enricheshis knowledge by scrutinizing and analyzing the operation of variousmissiles. He will be engaged in miscellaneous kind of activities hiscapacities for organization will be developed in the following threeyears. His income will be satisfactory. He makes out various plans andexecutes . He earned a good name in 35th year. Takes charge ofvarious sub divisions The number of tools and machines to be operatedby him will be increased various departments will come under his


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control . Good results will be achieved in 38th year. Work relating toplanning sketches will be on the increase. He will be well- known indistant places or countries. He will be able to conduct and control allthe affairs of the department. New schemes will be prepared in the40th year and the scale of pay will be better than before. He is capable

of giving training to others and will have great name in the industrialcircles. He offers advice in all matters of manufacture in the followingtwo years. He will show his strength in the technical side and he willhold an extraordinary power. He will be honored by CentralGovernment. He wins the confidence of the administrators and worksfor them with greater enthusiasm. Administrative responsibilities willbe taken over by him in 48th year. His attention will be concentratedon raw materials. He will be held in high esteem by an associationwhere scientific and technical people join together for promoting theirstudies. His strength and efficiency will go in 50th year and makesnecessary arrangements for the development of the work he

undertakes. He will be able to manage the establishment moreefficiently than ever and maintains his position through out . WhenMaharishis said so Parvati remarked that those who are closelyassociated with him in the work would hinder him . She said that hewill get away from the these evils by performing Karma Kanda."

Comments on this Reading

I should comment that all the past and future details are correct,covering the birth chart, exact names, engineering degree, first job inprivate paper mills, and latter in central government in defenseresearch and development laboratories in guns and rockets.,promotions, hidden enemies etc except the" maintaining this positionthroughout" since I took voluntary retirement at my 52nd age and notwork any where subsequently having specific profession exceptpursuing my astrology and philosophy hobbies. But strangely it may benoticed that no detailed profession was given after 50th year. Someastrological discussions are made. I took karma kanda also and thereading prescribed prayers to certain gods/goddesses each day in aweek along with certain diet for certain number of weeks etc, thedetails of which h I do not give here due to problem of space. I did theprescribed remedial measures and I cannot vouchsafe that they reallyhelped me, but generally the profession was all right with some usualdisappointments. Subsequently I went to him after my retirement buthe said that my leaf of profession was not available which almostconfirmed that I will not have any job later.. The readings seem to bebased on Saturn transit of 2 year in each rasi. The readings are crispand straightforward.


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Vasishta Nadi In Vaitheeswarankoil

The following are the readings given by Sri I T.Ravi nadi reader inVasistha nadi in Vaitheeswarankoil on 27 June 1991(age 52) after thethumb impression and initial usual questions for general kanda

,profession kanda and shanti kanda.

General Kanda

"Vasishta is narrating. Tamil year Vegudhanya, Tamil 22nd day,Wednesday, thula lagna, Lagna Sukra Rahu, Shravana Star, MakaraChandra, Meena Starun, Jupiter Khumba, Mesham Ketu, Surya KujaBudha in Leo, this is planet position,Birth place Andhra Brahmin, fathermother died, one borther one sister, your are graduate, no ancestral

property, now house, male one son, now 71/2 year Sani, so results willbe dull, longevity 75, son and wife Deergha Ayushu (long life) brother ,sister deerghaayushu. Jeevanakarara Moon in kendrasthana in Makara- Government job engineering job, retired and then get money fromgovernment, ever after retirement you will get money through othersubsidiary (not permanent) jobs, temporary business and alsopossible , son good education , got married and living with his wife,now in present period the problems due to curse in last janma, thetroubles are restlessness, not peaceful, in order toward off curses,parihara is to be done in a religious way, from 55 you are having goodlife name and fame are assured, as Saturn transit keeps on happening

you will get improvement towards end of life will have enough wealth,by 60 you will be able get several lakhs of rupees, at 60 you may getnervous trouble, there is no gandam (life danger) the assets will bebasically of permanent nature and you will not lose them, in familyGod's blessings are everlast, wife also will get often health problems,kalatrakaraka in 7th and Mars and sun in one place it gives problemsto wife, even though some troubles due to Sani dasa once comingsucceeding dasa will give prosperity to him, father nameVenkata Rao,mother name Annapurna, wife name Bharathi, your name VenkataRamana Rayudu, you will have good life only after end of sani allobstructions will be over, after that desires will be fulfilled.

Profession Kanda

"Vasishta bowed to Eshwari and then telling about Jeevana sthana,good education, good job, you have retired, after marriage wife isthere one son, now 71/2 year Sani, in this you will have some troubles


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and dejection, because Jeevanasthana got spoiled even afterretirement from government service there is no business life, now yourare doing subsidiary jobs, now y our doing new type latest jyothishameven in that you will get some obstructions, you won'' get muchincome on that only after Jupiter transit August 7th you will find

improvement in your new astrology, you will be making the use ofcomputers, after 7th August foreign travel is likely with wife, your visitabroad will give a link with astrology, after this foreign visit there is achance for publishing a book on astrology, because of this publicationyou will get a good name, at 55 you will get many more successes andfame, you will be employing lot of people (assistants) lot of people willcome in search of you, that also you get through God's blessing afterthat you will have establishment with foreign countries vehicles etc, at58 you will be really in the much more advance stop of your career,you can gain famous only through your new astrology because of thisyou will gain lot of income after 58 you will build a new house, after

Sani period your foreign travels will be quite often you will derivehappiness in your mind for your achievements. You will be a torchbearer for others to lead a good life, you will get good concentrationGod's Bhakti without any lack your life will be prosperous and you willbe always thinking about God also at 62d you will establish goodcontacts with holy people and big political and influential peoplewithout any fear you will lead good life, God's blessings will evercontinue, but Pariharam is a must, Jnanamarg can be achieved due toyour planetary position, your name will be remembered in manycountries, you will earn money through many sources by 70 you will amass wealth . Always you will live comfortably with wife, son children

family.

Shanti Kanda

"Vasishta is naratting, next poornima in Tanjore district, AnandaMangalam Place, temple Anjaneya, deepam, archana, feeding poorpeople then come to nadi place, three fruits, three flowers, clothes toone male (Dhoti towel and shirt) and female (saree and blouse)Rs.324/-to Nadi person and get his blessings, this dosha will vanish,future life prosperous, comforts in rest of life, reciting God's name aswell as new astrology will give peace of mind, people will be surprisedto see such a nice life to you, never you will lose the property, you willnever be in debt, no separation in family if pariharam is donereligiously then without fear the above phalas will materialize."

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I should comment again almost all the past and future events till noware correct covering birth date 7th Sept,1938, Shravana star, ThulaLagna) birth chart names retirement, new research computerastrology, first foreign trip to USA in June 1992 with wife as astrology

to give lecture in the conventions of American Federation ofAstrologers , Publishing of book "How to read a Horoscope A scientificmodel of predictions based on benefic and malefic analysis of planetsand bhavas "by M/s.Motilal Banarsidass Publisher of Delhi, India,assistants helping in computer astrology print outs, people coming insearch of me, extension of present house, more research in astrology,meditations, nervous trouble wife's ill health etc, except for somefunny astrological statement of "Kalatra Karaka in 7th andJeevanakaraka Moon in Kendrasthana Makara Government job andengineering job "you will gain lot of income through y our newastrology" Since I get only very limited amount only. Here also the

stress of the reading s seems to be more from transits of Saturn andJupiter though touching the main dasa periods. The readings are againvery crisp and straightforward. ".I hope that further future readings willalso agree. The remedial measures prescribed certain place and God inTamilnadu and to give money and clothes to Nadi Reader. This seemsof a bit of manipulation of reading. I did not do the, specifically since Igo usually to Anjaneya temple nearby my house. The future results aregiven from the date of consultation at certain ages and the timing ofpast events are not given.

Another Vasishtanadi inVastheeshwarankoil

Here is another reading by the nadi reader, V.Sellaiyan(in Shri CPoosumutthu group) from Vasistha nadi same date 27June 1999(age52) after taking thump impression and scanning index leaves:-General Reading:

"This is the horoscope of Venkata Ramana. After worshiping lord Brahma and Ammal,

Vasistha is describing the life history of VenkataRamana Ayya. Janmalagnam Thula,bahudhanya varsham, avani masam(around September) Wednesday 22day, tiruvanam

9(sravana) nakshatra, is born in reputed family, at the age of around 5 and 6 bodilyailments due to heat, mother also would have got similar ailments; family hesitance isthere, father also got social source, among friends circle status and fame, life is very

peaceful without any downfall; not when even through his education could not progress

well after 10th year good advance in education, what ever work undertaken that will be

done to satisfaction, you will able to accumulate wealth and navadhanyam, after 18thyear graduation study, mechanical engineering, before 23rd he will attain degree, after

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position, the job will be in defense machine ,at 26 married, good wife and lives with her

in comforts, before 30 age you will get birth of child, you will continue in defense forces,

after 40 age you will go up in profession, during this period children will get goodeducation, before attainment of 45, you will earn good wealth andgold, after 45 age you

will you will be in administrative type of job, god's blessings are always there in the

family, good events will take place in the family related to children, in good family care.The marriage of son will take place, Mother's name Annapurna, father's name Venkata

Rao, Your name Venkata Ramana, wife's name Bharati, You will have one brother and

sister, no daughter for you only one son, now father and mother no more, 7.5 years Saturnis running, now the dasa period effects will not be so good, within yourself you will be

feeling some type of dis-satisfaction, now you don't have any job, you don't have any

interest in doing any job, sometimes accidents for children, at age of 53 you start this type

of vedas to ward of evils which have been done earlier, for that purpose if shanti is to bedone you should do it once you remove these events by shanti, there is no need to be

frightened for anything for the rest of life, gradually there will be rise in life style,

children will be well off, that ever things

you feel and desire they will be fulfilled, live happily with wife and children, your sonwill be continuing his work, son will be doing computer work, at 55 life will be really

good, you will purchase some house andplots, you will be enjoying with your grand son,you will be having unity with your brother and sister, you won't have any decease long-

lasting, you will not have any litigation problem, court cases, any thing business you

want to do you should do in your wife's name, finance type of activities you will do in an

earnest way, before 58 enough accumulation of wealth in family, at 60 your wife willhave gandam, it will come just like that and go off, your son will go abroad, two years he

will be working outside in foreign lands, at 60 you will get much more wealth , grains

and what not, through your son you will derive entire satisfaction and happiness at theage of around 60 , all comforts in life whatever you want before 62 you will get, around

62,63 you will have breathing problems like Asthama, this will come most unexpected

way, people who are around you and your own caste people they will also praise you, youwill do help and some donation type of activities, most of the people will appreciate you,

you will have like a royal king, at 67 you will be looked after by your son, you will do

religious activities in temples, till end of life, you will do social service, because youearns lot of money your kith and kin will prosper well , at 72 there is grandam like heart

attack, senses being affected, but it will not effect you, around that time, your son will get

left in job, son will lead a royal life, till the end God's blessings are there, whatever it is,

pariharam is to be done, once you will do pariharam, you will live happily with family,your own community people will respect you, till the end you will live with your wife

and son, your desire will be fulfilled, ever after age 77, you will live, subham". (The birth

chart is also given)

Pariharam

"Bowing down to Lord Eswara, he is telling the parihara. You have gotsome papas done in earlier life, on a Sunday Abhisekham to be donefor Kali, Sahasranama Archana, put red flowers garland and red cloth,make 'mala' out of line equivalent to your age at that time, five times


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pradakshina, feed 51 blind children, like that repeat for 21 Sundays,the evening in Rahu Kala you should go to Durga and put deepam, bymeans of doing this, whatever regards to sun you have committed willbe erased, once you do this pariharm, you will get all comforts in life,with doing this with Good's blessings you will have Deergha Ayush

Subham".

Comments on This Reading

I should comment here again that almost all past and future all pastand future events tell now correct except for some small mistakes hereand there, and they are not more specific as in the earlier quotedVasistha Nadi and here also Saturn transit only is mentioned. There isa difference in the life span and parihara mentioned, though it is alsoVasistha Nadi but the reader is different. Here the ages of past eventsare given in more detail. I did not do the prescribed remedies as Durgatemple also.It would not be very easy to correlate and predict the eventsspecifically traditional astrological principles, as given by the Nadireader. Since 10th lord Moon is in Mars Exaltation house and Mars iswith Sun, we can say that the profession may be connected totechnical and government. Since 5th and 6th lord parivarthana(exchange of houses) and 5th lord aspect by 12th lord Mercury therecan less be children. Since 3rd lord is Retrograde and parivarthanawith Saturn and Mars and 11th lord Sun in 11th house with 12th lordMercury, there can be less number of coborns. Since Saturn in 6th inMeena Rasi aspecting 12th house, and one to being retrogradeconsidered to be in Kumbha aspected by 9th and 12th lord Mercury,and Sun is with 9th and 12th lord foreign travels can be expected inSaturn Dasa-Sun bhukti. The voluntary retirement can be expected inSaturn-Venus period due to shashtashtaka (6thand 8th positions toeach other), Saturn in 6th house of service and Venus is lagna lord inlagna giving self involvement and this combination is not consideredgood as per 'Uttarakalamrutha' grantha when they are both benefitplanets. The publication of book can be expected in Saturn -Rahuperiod Since Saturn aspects 3rd house relating to writings and Rahu isin Jupiter Star connected to astrology. The study of transits of Saturn,Jupiter , Rahu and Ketu may reveal these events . Anyway this wouldbe only a postmortem analysis unless one is very thorough with hisastrological principles and highly experienced to progress the chartvery professionally to prefix that exact future events before the eventsoccur. However, it would be highly impossible to tell the exact names.

My Experiences


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I consulted Kowmara Nadi, Vasistha Nadi, Maha siva vakya tulya Nadi,Kaushika Nadi, Kashyapa Nadi, Suka Nadi, Viswamitra Nadi, VyasaNadi, Agastya Nadi, Skanda Nadi in Chennai, Salem, Kanchipuram,Bangalore, Hyderabad, Secunderabad and Tirupati from 1968 onwards

till now for myself, wife, son and other friends. Only at places recentlyat Hyderabad I was told that my leaf was not available and it should begot from Vaitheeswarankoil.Here are some of my brief reactions about the same;- After taking thethumb print, nobody asked me my date and time of birth no differentappointments, nobody monitored behind the screen in other room,being an astrologer myself I was very careful not to give any clues. Inthe index scanning, leaf after leaf they asked whether moon star orlagna in chara or sthira or dwiswabhava rasi whether my name andnames of wife and parents certain names after some God or Goddessor contained certain number of letter, sounds of letters whether

present age is so and so whether coborns are so many numberswhether parents alive or dead, whether born certain seasons yearmonth and dates etc Moon star etc etc They never asked the exactones and I never told the exact ones till end.Now the real trick to tell exactly about your date of birth, names co-borns etc comes into play. Even if an exact chart with degrees ofplanets given can an astrologer tell these purely from astrologicalprinciples may be if he is thorough with his subject highly experiencesbut definitely no as far as telling the exact names probably in nameslikely may sound unless h e has got some extraordinary psychicpowers . Then how do they tell with a broad chart. The exact past

events and names when the detailed charts of twins also differ. I didnot check the twins' charts with them and it would be worthwhile to dothat for this research. So at this stage there must be having somemethod to correct the available nearest chart to give your readings. Iheard that they rewrite the leaves at certain intervals of time as perthe coding and system mentioned in some introductory to such to thecycles of time I am not sure. Or their recitation of some mantra wouldbe enabling them to tell the events through some spirit.How did Sage Satyacharya write in Dhruvanadi a life pattern for eachnadi amsha and, without fixing the nadi amsha one should not proceedfurther and he did not tell how to tell exact names. Are these so-called

nadi readers are conversant with intricacies of astrology at all. Iinterviewed with some of them with some astrological talk, whilereading they said they did not know much of astrology and said theywere trained for 10 to 12 years how to pick up and read the leaves.Even if you cannot answer some of his questions pertaining toastrological debut such as moon position, moon star, lagna positionetc, and some times even your birth date and month year since you donot know your birth data and chart, the nadi fellow tells your date of


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birth, chart, exact names etc. So it seems to me that the linking theexact names play a vital role and you can easily see the veracity ofthis since another person with some chart cannot have the samenames of theirs and parents. Even in twins with 3 minutes birthdifference the names of twins differ but sound similar but with different

charts, but same names of parents.Being an astrologer I can easily see this whole process is to know theposition of planets Saturn, Jupiter, Rahu, Ketu, Sun, Moon, Lagna forexample if he asks whether I am 60 years old and I agree by workingbackwards from now the position of Saturn 2 years Jupiter (1 year)Rahu and Ketu (1 yrs) one approximately can know my birth yearand their position at my birth year, If he asks whether I was born inrain season and I agree, sun position can be known approximately,similarly Moon position generally do not bother about the lagna thatmeans birth time. They get satisfied with the approximate names alsoafter some scanning. But still the whole chart is not known at this

stage, these index leaves have got some linking charts to be picked up.Then they bring the leaf if available and give the whole chart exactdate of birth, names, past events, future etc as a general Kandam andyou will be impressed. This is their training process and they generallydo not agree for reading without thumbprint even if you want to givechart. They never give the degree portion of planets and lagna in thechart. So obviously other Vargas charts the nearest one which matchesyour past events since it is not possible to have records of all charts.On 31st May 1993 (age 55) in Salem I tried to jot down points as theNadi reader was reading leaf after leaf from the index bundles and henoticed and objected to the same. However, for the benefit of the

readers, there are some questions which I noted as he was asking leafafter leaf till a correct details matched - " Brahmin, hospital born,father and mother expired, eldest, one maternal uncle, no sisters, ownbusiness, two brothers (total 3) mother name Ammal, married, wifethere, one son, son government job, son teaching line, age 55running,own vehicle, government job, union/collector office; no sister, Simharasi father Vishnu name, wife name Susheela, house rents, twodaughters, foreign visited twice, mother government job, wife job,intercaste marriage, rasi dual sign, 1938/39born rain season, twomarriages, wife housewife, one daughter, agricultural land, fathergovernment job, wife degree, housewife, only one brother, government

job teaching line self doctor, rasi sthira rasi, no daughter, arts degree,finance business, father Venkata, mother Parvati name, intercastemarriage, factory job, son degree, chara rasi Mesham, birth night wifename starting with 'sa' ,, son government job, army department officertechnical B.E. degree self temple degree, in politics son marriedintercaste, house rents, thula rasi, date 15to 30 , birth Sunday, starsravana, wife three letters, mother government job, father expired 20years back, to son no children, temple constructed, wife name starting


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with "pa,paa,pi,pe" job transport job, own house, wife housewife, oneson ,. Born Wednesday, lagna ubhaya lagna, father templeconstructed, mother name starting with "pa.paa.pi.pe" court caseproblem; sthira lagna, transport department, side business cineproduction son living with you, lagna chara lagna , birth night, mother

name starting with "pa paa, pi pe" ,B.Sc.,M.Sc.rasayana blood pressuremother name starting with "ya,ra,la va.." eatables business, nowgovernment job wife ulcer stomach , mother 3 letter name , father visitforeign; mother 5 letter name, house rents, thula lagna, avani monthwife name starting with "sa,saa,si,se" family court cases, sugarproblem, father government job mother name starting with "a,aa,e,ee"father alive, mother died, mother name 4 letters first letter 'a' wifeulcer, business now, computer astrology in own place, wife house wife ,mother name last letter 'ra' self ulcer, wife operation, father ownbusiness and government job, wife name Rani, voluntarily retiredbefore 4 years son in job, born Thursday sugar complaint, broker,

government job, one sister housewife degree, self diploma, secondhouse, mother expired 10 years back father temple administration, selfarts degree, father in the beginning private job clerical, mother name3rd letter 'pa,paa,pi,pe,pu,puu' 4th letter 'ra , raa, ri , ru' father realestate, black money income, no lottery income, court case, fight withson, self two marriages, self MSc, commerce, self engineering degree,also master's degree first job computer line, no railway air line job,mother name 3rd letter 'pa,paa,pi,pe,pu,puu' 1st letter 'a' father nameRamalingam, self technical civil engineering, operation heart, stomach,mother name Annapurna, one maternal uncle, self last child, Thursdayborn, hospital born wife name Saroja, small business in technical

computer, son government job defense technical, self second child,born in fathers house, date of birth 7th sept,1938, Wednesday ,voluntary retirement, one brother degree government job, one sistermarried degree". In 5th bundle of index leaves in about 15th leaf allthe details about names, profession, lagna, rasi matched, the nadireader told me when the thumb impressed would be connected to 5 to12 bundles of General Kandam each bundle roughly containing about50 leaves, any one of bundle and any one of leaf would be connectedto you. In fact the nadi reader got fed up reading so many leaves andafter 3 bundles he refused to continue even, but upon my request hefinally got it in 5th bundle ie. After reading about 200 leaves (an

enormous strenuous job for both of us!) can we get any clues fromthese types of series of questions to arrive at the correct leaf matchingyour data?Recently I had a funny experience while reading the index cards for myfriend the nadi astrologer asked whether moon is in cancer in Asleshaand also asked about the approximate names of parents. We said theparents' names are correct, but the star is wrong. Then after someleaves, he again said the same parents names but with Pushyami star,


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which we again denied. After some more leaves, he again said samenames but with Punarvasu star and we agreed since we knew the starand the chart. If we do not know the exact moon star what leaf thenadi astrologer decides and he may choose the wrong leaf. If he is notpatient to scan thoroughly to verify other past events and the readings

can be wrong. So it is possible, that somebody might have been bornwith similar parents named but with different moon stars, such as intwins or otherwise also elsewhere in different places.In olden days, the names were given as per the letters soundsmentioned for moon stars, though nowadays nobody follows thoserules to give names., Even then the nadi astrologers tell the exactnames not only of Hindus but some extent of foreigners also so what isthat astrological principle from which one can tell exact names ? As faras I know there is none. Therefore, it is possible that the nadiastrologers propitiate some spirit to tell these exact names includingexact past events, since they are not conversant with astrology

thoroughly., The future events would come correct or not depends ontheexperience and attention of the nadi astrologers. Also I found thatall the nadi astrologers would not tell exactly the same future andevents remedial measures defending upon the nadi grantha theyfollow, through they tell the past correctly I presume that the same istime when they tell about the past life. Invariably the remedialmeasures, they ask for some money to be given to nadi reader and theprescribed pujas to Gods/Goddess would be related to places theTamilnadu. So these cannot be relied upon.You go to the same nadi reader after one year and take the readingsagain from the same nadi grantha, will he give the same readings as

he had given one year back. I have yet to check this, without tellinghim that I consulted him a year back. I presume that it would bedifferent readings of the nadi reader changer even if the same nadigrantha were consulted because I feel the person who reads is alsoinvolved in the process defending upon his experience.Just as an off-track, I gave on prediction to some client with probableturning, he came back later to me andtold me that it happened, andwanted to ask some other thing. I again looked at his chart at hissecond visit and could not find the astrological reason how I told thatfury prediction, so is it some other extra sense working at the time ofprediction along with astrological reasons to decide the event

depending on your meditations andexperience. Yes, I feel it would beso, when there is doubt about the decision for giving prediction, purelyfrom astrology angle. That is why, it is said in sastras that theastrologers should follow the ethics and Dharamas to couple realexcellent reasons along with the analysis following the astrologicalprinciples, so that the correct predictions would come out.So what is difference between these Nadi Astrologers and the otherreal good astrologers. I feel the former would purely use his training


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with Mantra or spirit without any astrological background. Another safeescape a for the nadi astrologers is that he would say that he readwhatever was there and you have no means of meeting anddiscussingwith him again. Where as the other astrologer is answerablesubsequent for his predictions, of course he can also escape saying

that the birth time may be wrong, but it would be his moral dutyandcertify the birth time depending on the events and the birth date.The nadi astrologers sued the Vakya Siddhanta for casting thehoroscopes and some times the position of planets differ from what weget usually. One Tamil language expert told me that it is not possibleto read the scripts understand.Some say that astrology is not a pure service. I feel that other sourcesi.e. medicine, space travel etc. Are also not exact andthere are failuresin spite of lot of literature and research is available in these areas.Unfortunately the total literature, research andexperience in the fieldof astrology is not available. It is true that no exact future can be told

in astrology or even in other sciences when the space rockets burst inspite of lot of computer calculations, experiments.

Opinions of Others

It would be highly impossible to give here the opinion of others on Nadiastrology as innumerable in many articles in 'The AstrologicalMagazine' since 1956 and books. However I would like to state the cruxfrom some articles, books my discussions with others personally andvia e-mail.During my discussions with my Guru Late B.V.Raman in January 1998,he told "Nadi Granthas can be broadly divided into Mantras andTantric, the former mainly based on the power and control of KshudraMantras but under astrological cover and the latter mostlymathematical and partly basis on Mahamantras. In 1953 Shri NarayanaSastry handed over me the Nadi literature with a Mahamanta which Iwas cautioned should never be revealed to any on until and unless theinstruction by way of a code word is revealed in nadi itself. The lateJustice Ramesam Pantulu had such a work in his possession In mymeeting with him he gave some details about Nadi Amshas but thesecret of interpretation was not revealed just because the code wordwas never appeared in the grantha. Before his death, however, hecame across the code word according to which the nadi should bethrown into the sea which he did. The rational continues to be amystery. Perhaps the original authors did not want the secrets fall intounscrupulous hands. Moneymaking was never their object. Upon thedivision of Nadi Amsha and its being tagged on to the positions ofJupiter, Saturn, Sun, and Moon it is mathematics. But when the amshain a particular lagna is to be interpreted, something other than mere


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astrological precept becomes involved. It is only after the recitation ofthe clue mantra at this stage, for the prescribed number of times thatthe results come more or less as a flash. Of course each nadi hascertain definite results, as earlier serialized in 'The AstrologicalMagazine', but in applying these results to an undivided horoscope the

Sun, the Moon, Saturn, Jupiter and other planets enter the picture. TheAmsha is tagged on to the amsas of the other planets also andautomatically the astrologer gets an image of the horoscope. I use theNadi techniques only for purpose of rectifying the time of birth on thebasis of the amsha and some identifying facts. The dasha systemfollowed and of course Vimshothari though sometimes vaguereferences are made to Jaimini and Kalachakra. To me MarkandeyaNadi, Madras gave 60% correct results, in 1935. Shri Gupta in Madrasgot many Nadis - Sukra Nadi etc. Total number of Nadi are 72, out ofwhich 36 are mantra Nadis such as Sukra Nadi, Nandi Nadi etc. whichare only 25% correct. Mantra Nadi are written then and there. There

are 36 Tantra Nadis such as Rudra, Sapta rishi, Brughu, Satya etc.Busantari Nadi gives about earthquakes, political set-up, available withShri Nadis in Tamil. There are 36 Prasna Nadis and by using beetlenuts, beetle leaves Dakshina, answers are given. They conceal somemystery to astrologer, Shri Nagaraja Sharma Astrologer tried to findout the source of tantra nadi and found nadi contains 150 parts.Egoistic nature will not give results. One Nadi astrologer by KshudraGanapati Mantra died of cancer. By nadi astrologer reading, past willbe correct and future wrong. From Oriental Library and Shri NagarajaSarma, each degree is divided into 150 nadi amsas and the position oflagna, nadi amsha, Moon Saturn, Jupiter will give clues. Integrate

Parasara+Jamini+Nadi Varahamihira says that astrologer should haveno hatred , should have contentment, ever joyful and satisfied well-versed in calculations (computers are there now ) gift of havingpredictions, imagination, morality, ethics, principled. Don't predictdeath know Satyacharya's (Dhruva Nadi author) Pancha Siddhantha.Practice Mahamantras not Kshudra mantras to get mind clarity. TakingShantis (remedial measures) is wrong to get money. Script in Kannadalanguage on palm leaves immediately within seconds and thendisappeared actually there was Ramayana, Bharatam on palm leavesearlier. I contested many scientists and told them Astrology is notsuperstition"

My Guru, Late Shri Divakaruni Venkata Subba Rao, write his book"Jyotish Siddhantam" in Telugu language (out of print) aboutTatwa/Antartatwa iddhantam to rectify the birth time to match thelagna, moon rasi day of birth for male/female birth amounting to aminimum level of 12 seconds duration of birth time difference which isequipment to Nadi Amsha. Then only the detailed life pattern can bepredicted with the actual planetary configuration and with the otherVargas (divisional) charts.


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Late Shri R.Gopalakrishna Rao (nick name Meena) suggested starlords(jeeva planets) of the planets, gunas of planets (Satwik, Rajasik andTamasik), Sareera of Planets (Star lord of Jeeva Planets), Lordships,relationships in his book Nadi Astrology (Stellar Astrology) 3 volumes(out of print). He stated that "in South India, great men with deep

insight into the knowledge of planets and Heaven, were able to castvarious astrological charts which form the essence of the NadiGranthas. Some may say that even the Nadis fail to give correctpredictions. But I can boldly say that the Nadis need fail. The person,using the Nadis fails, because correct prediction depends on theaccuracy of the questioner's birth chart in the Granthas. If a cleverastrologer who is in possession of the nadi could get at the properchart he can read accurate predictions. The method that I havepursued and which I have presented in the pages of the book, is anancient one. It has hitherto been kept confidential without beingbrought to light., The authors of this method have recorded Nadis on

palm leaves. What was possible to Sages is equally possible to thosewho take pains to investigate and understand the science correctly bythe method herein revealed.In the "Bhrugu Nandi Nadi" book by Shri R.G.Rao, the karakatwa of theplanets and rasis are given importance and Jupiter transits in thehouses and over planets will decide events. Lagna is not important.The sequence of planets in the chart is important to be noted to givepredictions. The natal chart combinations and transits are to bejudiciously understood along with effects of retrograde planets andparivartana planets.In "Chandra kala Nadi" books 3 volumes by Late Shri R.Santhanam,

transits of a planet in various Navamshas with respect to its lordshipand benefic and malefic Navamsha are given importance.In "Sapta Rishi Nadi" book by oriental Library Chennai the rashi chart isonly considered and the depositor of the planets is considered.Lagnawise some ready made charts are discussed for various aspectsof life for some lagnas only.In "The Astrological Magazine" the general life patterns of some of theNadi Amshas from Dhruva Nadi were publishedMy friend Mr.Barry Pittard of Australia, sends email to me stating " Ihave found repeated evidence - both in my explorations at first handand from sending out well over two thousand emails to people who

could possibly help many accurate details can be discovered about oneself. In 1998 Shanti (new my wife) and I explored nadi readings atLibraries at Vaitheeswarankoil and therefore shortly able, I also visiteda library at Chennai. Yet again, I found stunningly accurateinformation. Moreover it too corresponded with informed them fromboth the Vaitheeswaran koil and Tanjore Libraries. We found ournames and family details including our parents names. He also said


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that they got the thumbprints of his wife's parents by fax fromAustralia and the readings were incredibly accurate about them.Shri K.N.Rao in his article "Thumb and Horoscope" mentioned "while inCalcutta, I heard of about an astrologer near Dumdum who preparedhoroscopes in all cases of unknown births from one's thumb I never

met him. Through a very senior Guru Bhai who knew him well andpatronized, I sent him a request if he would prepare the horoscopes ofthose whose birth details were well known and made it clear that itwas not to test him but to know how dependable his method was. Ifurther clarified that I would like to use it for the verification of birthtime in cases of doubtful horoscopes. I sent five persons to him. Inthree cases he gave us correct degrees of all planets and the lagna. Hewas not given any birth details. He drew out the whole horoscope fromthe palm particularly of the thumb. The most remarkable fact whichshowed have struck me was that the degrees of the planets he gavefrom the palm and thumb was what Lahiri's ephemeris had given to me

. he used the work Chitrapaksheeya Ayamsha". Sri K.N.Rao publishedthe readings about him from Dhruva Nadi given to him byDr.B.V.Raman in one of his books.Shri Kannan in his article "My experiences with Nadis -X 1" in theAstrological Magazine" June 1969 stated "Thus, after investigating alltypes of nadis what I have learnt is as noted below:- Nadis have beenwritten on the basis of nadi-amshas, but they require alterations basedon the localities and planetary positions. Nadi writer wrote horoscopesupto certain future periods only for each. That is why some nadisappear and some disappear if any querent funds no leaf for hi, it is dueto the fact that bundles written must have destroyed by nadi holders of

the past or otherwise lost by the successors. Apart from this kind ofloss, some persons may not be in the scheme of a particular nadi at alland hence there may not be a leaf. For instance, in my case, accordingto Sukhar's scheme, I should have had 6 children but I had 8. The lasttwo had no leaves in Sukha Nadi. When questioned about this inPrasna Kanda, it was stated that there was nothing to be worried abouttheir longevity and the scheme of Rishi Vakyam was only like that.Somehow I got the readings for them in some other nadi. Nadisgenerally have some stock method of giving predictions withoutbothering and without meticulous calculations. Most of the good nadishave mastery over the subject and have a good sense of judgement

taking into account all the good and bad points. Astrologers usuallylinger or persist in a particular view. Regarding prescription ofmedicine, the nadis follow Ayurvedic system for the known ailmentswithout resorting to particular herb for a particular afflicting planet. Anadi is able to find out not only the querent's thought but also the eexact time of consultation. In my case Sukhar stated when I exactlyconsulted each bhava or vakyam. Though cent percent results cannotbe expected, nadi gives some correct predictions also and these


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depend upon the quality of the nadi consulted. If a nadi stipulates afabulous figure of fees it has to be understood that it is the mischief ofthe astrologer. All the nadi invariably prescribe shantis (whetherwarranted or not because every one will have some defect or other inthe horoscope. This is ruse for getting money. One has to investigate

the reasonableness of it before adopting. Very good predictions can beexpected from a prasna nadi for the immediate future. But long rangepredictions fail mostly, probably because they could not check upcorrectly all the relevant positions. In the matter of daily prasnas, thenadis seem to have followed only " Nandi Vakyam" method of givingresults based on planetary position and not on Stellar basis. In thematter of judgement one h as to give importance to the position of thedispositor from the Bhava which seems to act best. The nadis have gotalways some curse as Mr.Chidambara Iyer expressed and it is foundmost of the nadi holders have to experience difficulties and calamities.There seem to be law connecting the particular time of writing a nadi

and the next time of consultation. This is the most secret method to beinvestigated. For instance, Sukar's Prasna Kanda was written long ago.When the nadi holder opens at random a leaf his eyes fall on a letterwhich furnishes information about the person consulting that day.What is that law? Can any body demonstrate ? At any rate these are allmysterious to me. With these I close these series and if anybody hasany tangible information to unravel the mysteries pointed out, it willcertainly be useful to all. 52. Of course, there are others who say thatthe thumb impression is used only as identification and to impress you.And the reader would find out from you the birth details by his cleverrandom type of question s and remembering the answers and then

arriving at the exact details make the chart from their ephemeris forthat date of birth in their library room, read the results from standardcharts recorded in ancient times matching your , lagna etc and thewhole thing was a manipulation. There are some others who say thatthey consulted all nadis but did not find their leaf and felt that thewhole thing was a hoax. Some others say that there are lot of cheatingnowadays in how they operate it and they are people monitoringbehind the screen in other room listening to you and there is no nadireader live in India today just try giving a thumb he will be able to findthe details some others say that the readings for foreigners have beenexploited .from other leaves some say that the nadi readers would

invoke a "spirit" which would smell the thumb print and tell them whatIndex leaves are to be picked up, which are only some old recorded lifepatterns and as he turns leaf after leaf while questioning as usualroutine process the spirit would tell him at certain stage to read thecorrect date though it won't be there on that leaf. Some say that timeof birth and lagna are given by nadi reader which has not matchedwhen checked on computer later. Every one had different experiences


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with the nadi Jyotish. It would be difficult to record all the experiencesin this limited space.

Some Doubts And Questions

In view of the above discussions, several doubts and questions whicharise on Nadi Jyotish are consolidated here as far as possible atrandom:- What is the real origin of this Nadi Jyotish?Are they really written by some Sages and only by professionalastrologers?Are they the records of those born in earlier written on palm leaves inthose times?Why a right thumb impression for male and left for female is to betaken?In what language they were written originally?When were they translated into other languages?How many bundles of leaves are available in total?Is each set of leaves after some name of Nadi Jyotish is different ?Is there really anything written on the leaves at all or somethingappear then and there?Is there any Mantra or some other means used by the Nadiastrologers?Is there any specific science written to get the birth chart and birthdata from< the thumb impressions?How the exact names can be told?What is the procedure followed by the nadi reader to pick up the indexleaves from his library from thumb impression?How is it on some leaves only some type of funny pattern of lines waswritten without any normal language form of script ?How is it that some type of Tamil script found on the leaves could notbe understood?Why do the readers give the future readings from the date ofconsultation only at some intervals of age only?Why do they not give the occurrence of past events age wisegenerally?How do they give the names of foreigners also sometimes?Is there any privacy issue?Why do some readers ask y u to come again?Which collections are considered largest and carefully reserved etc?Which nadi readers are held reliable?How the small place in Tamilnadu,Vaitheeswaran koil has got differentreaderseven in small houses offering readers.?Are there leaves were distributed amongst members of that family fortheir


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different businesses charging different fees?What is the material and sole of the leaf and and how they havepreserved solong?Are they rewritten at different intervals of time?

How are they trained and how long?How the leaves are with mostly a particular sect of people who aredoing business from them?How do they link up the index leaf with the actual leaf of generalKandam and other chapters of?How can some readers say that such and such person is going toconsult on that day?Do the readings for the same person from different Nadis matchexactly?Do the readings for the same person from the same nadi reader fromthe same nadi taken at different interval of time say a year later match

exactly?Are you really to be destined to consult Nadi?How many consult Nadi?Are the past readings given always perfectly correct ?How far the future reading goes perfectly right upto what time tonearby future or to long future also?Do the reader himself involved in giving correct readings, includes histrainingand experience?Why do the remedial measures given in Shanti Kanda mostly refer tothe

Gods/Goddess /Temples in Tamilnadu?Why do they prescribe the alms to be given to the nadi reader and is itreallywritten on the leaves ?Are they actually reading what was written on the leaves ?Why are some of them in some form of trance with half closed eyes asif they arenot reading it from the leaves at all?Why don't nadi readers give your leaf to you, if it really belongs to y u?Can you read what is written there?Will they show it you?

How many readings are there on each leaf?How many index bundles are normally to be scanned to arrive at yourdata?How many leaves are there in each bundle?Do they read without thumb impression, if the chart is given ?Are the previous life readings given in different Nadis for the samepersonwould be the same?


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Is there any luck in the leaves from the previous life to the present lifetothe future life ?How far the remedial measures given work?Why do every nadi reader prescribe shanti definitely for every person

wheneverconsulted?Why do the chart given by them differ from the one prepared by you incomputers?Is their ephemeris from Vakya Siddhanta as told different from othersand howfar is it correct?Why do they tell the firth date, month and year in Tamil calendar andthencorrelate it Christian calendar, is it because the records were in Tamil ?If the records were in Sanskrit or Telugu language, how are the birth

data found in which calendar?Why are the readings are only at intervals of 1 year or 2 hrs etc ?Are they following only the transits of major planets of Jupiter Saturnetc?Why do they give readings of future events only age wise, not at aparticularcalendar date, month and year ?Do they know astrology at all?Do they tell the exact names of twins , if the thumbprints are given ?Do they give the readings without the presence of the personconsulting and with the date presented by some person?

Do they give the reading by post if the required data is given and feessent?How far they take the responsibility if the future readings given bythem do notcome true and what excuse do they give in such cases ?Is whole thing a foax only?Is there cheating by them?Are there any real astrological principles involved in those Nadis?Why do they charge exorbitantly which many poor people cannotafford?Do poor people are distend to consult them?

Is it worth spending lot of money in finding out the tricks of this nadiastrology?Is it possible to do any research at all in this filed?Are there any Nadis with some Swamijis or in some Ashram or withsome otherpersons who are not using it for professional commercial purposes andgivereadings when consulted?


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Are there any Nadis published fully, if so in what language?Why do some astrologers, who have got nadi Grantha not publish itcompletely in a book form?Are there other aspects natural calamities, political set ups wars,countries etc written also nadi granthas other than about persons and

if so why don't they publish it before hand?Are these Nadis written restricted to certain regions only, if so withinhow many kilometers /miles and within what longitudes and latitudes?Is there any law, which is given in the Nadis to extend it other personsand other regions?How can a few bundles of leaves ,however large they re cover all lifepatterns of all persons?What the addresses of all the nadi readers?Are there any persons who are really doing any genuine seriousresearch to find out the secrets of the nadi Jyotish if so what are theiraddresses and what are their findings so far, have they published their

research anywhere?Are there any persons who are exchanging their experience andresearch with each in this field and if so what are their addresses?Are there any persons who had consulted all Nadis about thempersonalities and published their readings comparing and verifying theresults if so what are their addresses?Why can't the nadi readers tell the exact names of the wife/husbandbefore marriage, but can tell the e names of after marriage?Why can't they tell the names of the children when they can tell yourname, your wife/husband name and names of parents?Is there any danger or calamity or curse or those who possess these

nadi granthas and to their families when they practice it?How did Sage Satyacharya, supposed to be inventor of nadi amshas of150 write the general life patterns for each nadi amsha and to whatpercentage they match with a person's life pattern, if the person birthamsha falls in one of the nadi amshas or is it that the person shouldselect the nearest nadi amsha pattern which matches with most of hislife events and if it is to be chosen for a newly born baby who has notmuch specific events to check then how to fix up the nadi amsha?Is there any method, if at all any, to draw the nadi amsha chart just asother Vargas (divisional) charts and if so how to prepare such a nadichart and how to use it vis--vis rasi and other Vargas charts (though it

is not mostly known how to use the known Vargas charts themselvesspecifically for a particular event in life!)Which are the mantra Nadis , the tantra Nadis, prasna Nadis etc andwhat are the differences and how do they operate?Where are we now in our research on nadi Jyotish in finding out thesecrets, when they have existing from so many years?Are there any specific astrological principles used in nadi Jyotishliterature other than normal principles enunciated in standard ancient


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text books by sage Parasara, Jaimini,Varahamihira, Mantreswara,Vidyanatha, Kalidasa, Venkatesdaivagna, Bhaskara Jyotish,Bhruhatjataka, Phaladeepika , Jatakaparijata, Uttara Kalamithra,Sarvartha Chinthamani, Bhavadeepika, Sanketanidhi, Saravali etc ?Do the nadi readers allow to record all the questions they ask as they

proceedwith the index leaves and is there any person who got such recordeddata in his personal case and if what is his address?How can the Nadi Reader tell that your parents are alive when y youconsult him when they are alive and tell that they are dead when youconsult him after their death and can such a thing can be told fromapplying normal astrological principles?Similarly how can h e tell the exact number of brothers and sisters andat age you were married etc and can these can be told so preciselyfrom any normal astrological rules?Will all the Nadis give the e life span for a person or different life spans,

when the names and chart and other past details match exactly in allNadis ?Why some Nadis mention certain age as "Gandam" (danger to life) andif it is surpassed the person would live upto certain other age ?Has anybody found any clues to give exact predictions from the textbooks available in the market on nadi Jyotish presently such as"Bhrugu Nandi Nadi" by Shri R.G.Rao, Devakeralam (ChandrakalaNadi )3 vols by Shri Late R.Santhanam commentary on "SaptarishiNadi" by Shri J.H.Bhasin, "Transits of planets on they birth chart" lessonof nadi are the essence of astrology" by Shri R.G.Rao, "Kashyapa Hora -essesnce of nadi astrology" by Shri R.G.Rao, "Nadi jyothisha or the

Stellar system of astrology"(out of print) by Shri Late R.GopalakrishnaRao (Pen name meena) "Satya jatakam (basis of Dhruvanadi) SageSatyacharya, "Practical Stellar Astrology (Based on Nadi Principles) byShri Late NV Raghavachari (Pen name Meena II), "Nadi system ofPrediction (Stellar-theory) by Shri Rattan Lal , "Doctrines of Suka NadiRetold - mysteries of nadi system of astrology unfurled" by Shri LateR.Santhanam, "Profession from the position of planets -in rare nadigranthas by Shri RG Ro, "Vedic Astrology and career" by ShriV.Raghuraman, "Your Destiny in thumb" by Shri R.G.Rao "BhriguSutram Sage Bhrigu, "Bhrugu Prashna Nadi" by Shri R.G.Rao, Generallife pattern from Dhruva Nadi and Nandi Nadi published for some Nadi

Amshas in the "Astrological Magazine", several articles published onNadi Astrology in the Astrological Magazines " other magazines andnew papers etc etc?Has anybody able to correlate the standard astrological principles withthe nadi astrology predictions authentically?Can exact birth time be told by Nadi Readers?Whether the Nadi reader and the translator add anything on their ownwhile reading and explaining?


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Further Research Required

Though one can try to find out answers to all the above questions I feelthat further important research required to be carried out in nadiastrology

should be concentrated on the following points:-

Whether a complete Natural Birth chart with planetary positions andlagna withexact degrees and birth data can be formed from the thumbimpression?Why a right hand thumb impression for male and left hand thumb printfor femaleshould be taken?What is the technique used by Nadi Readers to pick up the Indexleaves bundles from the thumb print and subsequent Kandam leaves?What are the scripts written on the leaves?Whether the Nadi Readers reads the same thing on the leaf?Whether we or the experts in linguistics can read the same andunderstand?Whether there is any script at all in the leaves?Can we record what all he reads and questions leaf after leaf till hearrives atour data in the index leaves?Whether he writes the same thing in the notebook, records in theaudiotape and translates?Do the leaves contain some old records of life histories of personswritten inolden days for certain planetary configurations for research for futurecyclesand if so how to modify the results for the present consultant's chartwhich and could be only a nearby chart since it takes very long time toget to the same planetary configuration again?How one can tell exact names, numbers of brothers and sisters withhelp of achart even with exact degrees of planets and lagna?Can we get our leaf from the Nadi readers and even if so will it be ofany use?Whether the same nadi reader from same nadi grantha gives sameresults whenconsulted at different time intervals, say one year?Why the nadi readers gives results age-wise only for events, notparticulardates?Would they use mostly the transits of major planets on the natal chart


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to tellevents?Would different readers of same nadi give different results?Would different Nadis give different results?Why the remedial measures (Shantis) are prescribed for every one

whetherconsulted at any time, why they are mostly connected toTemples/Gods/Goddessesin Tamilnadu only, whether they work at all to overcome the difficultiesreadin the leaves or is at another gimmick of the nadi reading to get moneyfrom the person consulted by invoking fear and faith into him?Why not collect as much data as possible from persons who consultednadi along with their experiences about the veracity of the futurepredictions?Is it possible to find how the past life data is given by nadi readers and

checkthe same?Is there any method to link the past life data with the present andfuturereadings?Which nadi and nadi reader is giving more accurate results?Is there any way to arrive at nadi astrologers principles in correlationwiththe normal standard astrology , as given in the palm leaves by the nadireadersor is the whole thing a process of hoax using some Upasana of spirits

or Mantraby the nadi readers?What percentage of correct results would come from nadi readerscompared to the readings from well-experienced sincere normalastrologers?Can one can erect a nadi amsha chart (1/150) and use it for exactpredictionsalong with other Vargas charts?Can one find out how the general life pattern is given for each nadiamsha?Whether anybody consulted the same nadi at same place or at

different places at same time read by different nadi readers and whatare the results?Whether anybody consulted the same nadi at same place read by thesame person at different times say a year later and what are theresults and are they same particularly with respect to the futureevents?Whether anybody got the results without knowing the birthdate/month/year/lagna/Moon rasi and nakshatra/chart and if so how?


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Whether anybody got the exact name of wife / husband beforemarriage?Whether anybody got future results every year or only at intervals of 2to 3years or at some random future ages?

Whether anybody got the same life span (age) mentioned in differentnadis?Whether anybody got the same life span (age) mentioned in differentnadis?Whether anybody got the future result about the birth of a child maleor femalespecifically?Whether any astrologer could succeed so far in analyzing the resultsgiven bynadi as per the known astrological rules?(ask astrologers)?How many are visiting the nadis and getting results also not finding

their nadileaves.(ask nadi readers)?What would be the percentage of people consulting nasi?Whether anybody recorded the various questions asked by the nadireader leafafter leaf in the index bundles till he hits the correct one with exactnames number of brothers and sisters etc?

Conclusion

I have discussed many important points on nadi Jyotish as far aspossibledue to restriction of space from my experience. It is farther for thereaders and experienced astrologers to get into real research into themysteries of this nadi jyothish. Since this research would be very longtime process involving lot of expenses, it will not be possible for anysingle individual to carryout this research. I earnestly request allserious research astrologers to come together exchanging theirinformation freely on this subject, which is very easy now a daysbecause of inter-net and E-mails. I also request the rich individuals,trusts, government, private agencies, Swamis, Ashrams help financiallyfor this research. I pray God also to help all these astrology researchaspirants to unveil the secrets of this ancient Nadi Jyotish uplifting theVedic astrology for the benefit of world community. I also give myblessings to all those sincere young astrologers with their advancedcomputer astrology software to succeed in their research efforts.

OM SHANTI.


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[Written by: Pemmaraju V. R. Rayudu"Daivagna Ratna and Jyotish Aradhakulu"B.E., M. Tech., Diploma in Management and French.Former Senior Scientist and Deputy Director Defense Research andDevelopment Laboratory]

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