8 . (Prayer by Reverend Hendricks) Mr. President, …...The prayer will be offered by the 1....

GENERAL SESSIONof the 7:th GENERAL ASSEMBLY

October 29, 1973 '

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1 ry '. PRESIDEN :

2 . The Senate will cume to order. The Regular

3. session-of the 78th General Assembly will

4. reconvene. The prayer will be offered by the

1. Reverend charles Hendricks of the Third Pres-

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9. pusszozxT:

l0. Reading of the Journal.

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l2. Tuesday, october 23, 1973.

l3. PRESIDENT:

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' 16. . . .Mr. President, yembers of the senate, I move -' l7. that we dispense with the further reading of the .

2 . 'l8. Journal of october 22nd. Dnless there are some .

l9. additions or corrections to be made that the Journal

20. stand approved. .

i2l. PRESIDENT: '

t 22- senator sopêr has moved that we dispense with

23.. further reading of the Journal of Oatober 22nd and

24. that the.- that it be approved. Is there discussicn?

25. Al1 in favor signify by saying aye. Contrary no.

26. MoEion carries. The Journal is approved.

27. SECRETARY: ,

22. Tuesday, October 23rd:1973.

29. PRESIDENT:

30. senator Soper. '

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32. Mr. President, I...Members of the Senate I move; .

i t We dispense with the further reading of the33. t aI

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1. or additions to be made that the Journal stand approved.

2. PRESIDENT:

3 Senator Soper moves ko posEpone further reading...

4 I9m sorry, to dispense With further reading ôf the

5. Journal of October 23rd and moves its approval. Is

6. there dispussion? All in favor of the motion signify'

7. by saying aye. Contrary no. The motion carries.

g. Senakor Soper.

9. SENATOR SOPER: .

t0. Now Mr. Presidentr Members of the Senatey I move

11. tbat weo.mpostpone the reading and the approval of the

L2. Journals of October.24th and October 25th pending the

l3. arrival of the printed Journals.

l4. PRESIDENT:

15 Senator Soper moves khat we postpone reading of

16. the Journals of October 24th and 25th until the arrival. /'

17.. of the printed Journals. Is there discussion? Al1 in

. lg. favor signify by sayinq aye. Contrary no. Motion

19. carries. Resolutions. .

20. SECRETARY:

21. senate Resolution 269 by Senator Savickas and it's

22. Consratulatory.

23. PRESIDENT:'a4. senator Savickas moves to suspend the rules for the

25. immediate conpideration of the resolution. All,in favor

a6 signify by saying aye. Contrary no. The totion carries.

7/ The rules are suspended. On the motion to adopt, Senator

Savickas mokes that...senate Resolution 269 be' adopted.28.

Is there disdussion? Al1 in favor signify by saying aye.29.

Contrary no. The motion carries. The resolukion is30. .

adopted. Eenator Partee. Regular Session will stand31.

in recess for both Demoerat and Republican caucuses.I 32.

Ik senator Donnewald, you wish to announce yourss..time and place? 33. .

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4. senator..-senator Donùewald. .

5. SENATOR DONNEWALD: ,

6. . . .Di'd a splendid job in announcing, I only want7. to add that it's up on the 6th floor right now

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8. PRESIDENT:

9. There will be a Republican caucus in my office

l0. immediately, hopefully 20 minutes or so, might run just' ll. slightly longer than that.

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17. The Regular Sessionoo.The Senate in Regular Session will

18. come to order. Senator Weaver moves that the Regular

l9. session recess subject to the call of the Chair later

20. this afternoon. All in favor signify by saying aye.

2l. contrary no. Motion carries.

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25. PRESIDING OFFICER (SENATOR GRAHAMI: '

26. ...And we are noW calling into Session.o.the Regular

27. Session of the 78th Genqral Assembly having already had

28. the Journals read and approved or postponed or what have

29 you We are ready ko proceed on the order of business out- '* #.

30. lined on our Calendar. ...Come on fellowa,let's get the

3l. battle plan in order hereoo.discussion for a change....

z2. just at ease for a moment. It's been jointly aqreed that

a3. we will go to the order of considerations postponed Tor

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the.consideratipn of a couple of measures first of which

and not the least of which 'in the minds of some is SB 866,

Senator Partee.

SENATOR PARTEE:

Well: Mr. President, I don't want to go through a

long explanation of this bill. It's been up before,

we explained it the other day and this is the bill that

got caught somewhat in a parliamentary and partisan snafu

between Senator Walker and myself. I think everybody kncws

what it is now and I think Senator Walker will tell yQu

that the matter has been adjusted whatever the problem wasat that time and I'd simply ask for a roll call.

PRESIDING OFFICER (SENATOR GRAHAM):

If there is..othere is some discussion. Senator

Clarke.

SENATOR CLARKE:

I just want to...Mr. Pre'sident, I just like to

comment that this' bill was very thoroughly discussed last

Spring in the Revenue Committee here on the Floor and

the House. It was amended and I've had considerable

discussion with various people since and I think it...

despite the reasons for the veto a very worthwhile piece

of legislation that we ought to have now and I urge a

yes vote.

PRESIDING OFFICER (SENATOR GRKHAMI:

. . oFurther discussion? The.o.the questior. is shall

SB 866 pass the veto of the Governor to the contrary not-

withstanding. Dpon that question the Secretary Will call

the roll.

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Dougherty, Fawell, Glass, Graham, Harber Hall, Kenneth

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Mohr, Don Moore, Netsch, Newhouse, Nimrod, Nudelman,

Ozinga, Palmer, Partee, Rdgner, Rock, Roe, Romano,

Saperstein, Savickas, Schaffer, Scholl, Shapiro, Snith,

Sommer, Soper, Sours, Swinarski, Vadalabene, Walker,

Weavert Welsh, Wooten, Mr. President.

PRESIDING OFFICER (SENATOR GRAHAMI:

Shapiro, a/e. Knuepfer, aye. Sours, no. Berning,aye. On this question the yeas are 52. The nays are

SB 866 having received the required three-fifthgs vote

is declared passed. The veto of the Governor to the con-

trary notwithstanding. We will nowe..senator Palmer.

SENATOR PALMER:

Senator Palmer would like to make a motion to re-

consider.


Senator Palmer'd like ko move to reconsider and

Senator Kosinski moves to Table Senator Palmer's motion.

All in favor of the motion to Table signify by saying

aye. Opposed. The ayes have it and the motion is

Tabled. Senator Harris, you'd like to call up 833 on

the order of consideration postponed.

SENATOR HARRIS:

Mr. Pres'ident, you will recall that the other day

this bill did have 36 votes. Senator Soper Was involved

in a overseas telephone call and did not respond Eo khe

bell and the roll call was...request for varificatlon was

rmqvmsted. We didn't have 36 voEes here a: the time so I put

the bill on postponed consideration. Now 'youdll recall

there was a great deal of debate Iem sure Ladies and#

Gentlemen of the Senate about this bill. I did have inê

fact the 36' votes but we couldn't verify it at that precise

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He's stilll here. The freshman quarterback just

got the signals twisted...time. Senator Partee.

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. . .Mr. President, we are...we are requesting a

Democrakic caucps for fifteen minutes.


. . .1 would like to suggest that before we go to

a caucus I'm intrigued by those flowers behind the#'

Gentleman from Peoria. I'm instructed that today

represents a great day in his parent's lives and I

think Happy Birkhday mighk be in order for Senator

Sours. Welly poboby told me, you got the signals

crossed. I withdraw the last statement.

SENATOR SOURS:

Will someoneo..will someone .please send me Senato-r

Wooten's copy of Wordsworth's Ode on the Intimations

of Immortality?


After the caucus. The Senate wiil stand in

recess.wvhow many minutes. Senator Partee?

SENATOR PARTEE:

Fifteen minutes is sufficient.


For a fifteen minute...caucus called by tne Members

of the Democrat Party. Senate will be in...senator Harris.

SENATOR HARRIS:

Mr. President, it might be an appropriate course of

action to clear the record that we take SB 833 out of the

record. Is there leave for that?

PRESIDING OFFICER (SENATOR GRAHAM):Leave has been grante'd.

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SENATOR HARRIS:

And very quickly on the order of resolutionsy

could wb proceed with recognition of Senator Soper

and then...


Senator who?

SENATOR HARRIS:

p. .adopt khe resolution. 1...1 meanysenator

Sours.


Senator Soper and Senator Sours are vying for

recognikion. I think we have a resolution that the

Secretary needs to read if thak's what welre trying

Eo do. HoW long is it?

SECRETARY:

Senate Resoluticn No. 270 by Senator Harris and

all Members of the Senate.

(Secretary reads Senate Resolution 270)

PRESIDING OFFICER (SENATOR GPAHAM):

Senator Harris.

SENATOR HARRIS:

Mr. President, I'm sure that' a1l of my colleagues

will wish to join in the co-sponsorship of this resolution

that acknowledges the natal day of the bard from Peoria

our good friend, Senator Hudson Sours. We do wish you

a Happy Birthday, Hudson.


Knuppel.

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You know I1m not Very much on Ehese congratulatory

messages but now that I know his birthday is the same

day as my mother's 1* think maybe 1111 be able to under-#' .

stand Hudson a little better and I want to second that

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We will a1l join...are we going to adopt the

resolution and give him our accolades. The motion

is by Senator Walker that Ahe rules be suspehded

. . .senator Harris, the rules be suspended for the

reconsidqration. I'm trying to help you Jack you...

al1 in favor signify by saying aye for the suspension.

All in favor of the adopticn of the resolution for

Hudson Ralph Sours will signify by saying aye.

Opposed. The resolution is adopted. Happy Birthday.

Senator Sours.

SENATOR SOURS:

There was one thing that was ommitted in that

obituary. I did get the good posture medal in World

War 11 and as I view some of my contemporaries I#

thoroughly propose to be your pallbearers. As for

Wordsworthls Ode on the Inkimations of Immortality

ï just wish I could find someway to take some withme, but I know I won't I'm going to leave this earth

with the same clothing with which I was clad when I

came. I cah tell you this that being in this Senate

as Dwight Friedrich said many, many times is a rare

privilege. Or to quote from Gray's Elegy for the

Purest Ray Serene. Thank you very much.

PRESIDING OFFJCER (SENATOR GRAHAMI:

Thank you. The Zanate will stand in recess until

the conclusion of the Democratic caucus. Senator Chew'll

be back at 10 o'clock he said. Just to make things

compatlble there will be a Republican caucus in the

President's office immediately if not before...

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PRESIDENT:'

For what purpose does Senator Chew seek recognikion?

SENATOR CHEW:

. . .We1l I thought since we didn't quite' get the

program together that we could take a little break for

lunch, come back at 12 tonight?

PRESIDENT:

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was just about to announce as I have done

on two occasions' in the past? I've ordered chicken, relishes

and beverages for everyone. It will be ready to be served

at about 7:30...khose of you who do not or are not able ko

negotiake chicken if you would let Mrs. McBride in my

office know, wedll try to make some substitute arrangements

but wedre going to proceed as we have done in the pask and

that will be here, ready to be served in my office to the

Senate Members ït 7:30.

SENATOR CHEW:

Thank your Mr. President.

PRESIDENT:

The recess will be reconvenedz we are in the Regular

Session... ' On the order of total vetoes, first bill that

the Chair has been notified is SB 82. Senator Don Moore.

SENATOR DON MOORE:

o . mThank ybu, Mé. President, Members of the Senate.

The Members o.f the Senate may recall that we passed SB 82

back in...in April of khis year, a 38 to 2 vote. It appro-

priated five million dollars for a grade separation that

exists at thm Illinois Central Railroad and Sauk Trail. Iwould also llke to refresh your recollectlon that thls is

where the Illinois Central Railroad ends in Gouth Suburban

Cook County. The areas affected by this particular inter-

change which I might add is a four lane highway which

narrows down to two lanes under the viaduct and then opens

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up into four lanes contains the area of Richland

Park, Chicago Heights, Madison, Park Forest, Flossmoor,

Park Forest South, Olympia Fields, Steger, Crete,

Northern part of Will County...presently a pofulationof about 120,000. Back in April or March, Mr. President,

I represented to this group that the traffic count of this

particular location at peak hours was some 16,000 cars

a dag. I was informed today at a recent traffic count

that was completed by the County of Coox that it is now

28,300 cars a day...if there is anyplace that therels.

any assistant needed it surely is at this particular

location. The bill was amended down to..ofrom five million

dollars to a mere one hundred khousand dollars for a

feasibility study and engineering work.. I think that

although this is a county highway and I would appreciate

khe Members from Chicago and the other kide hearing that

particular thing, it's a county highway not a State highway.

It is without the... reach of the county to spend

the estimated five or six million dollars. We would like

to get a project started out there and I think that anexpenditure of a hundred thousand dollars to get this

project started is well within the public interest and

the budget of the State of Illinois and I'd be happy to

answer any questions if not I would respect a favorable

roll call that SB 82 Do Pass the veto of the Governor to

the contrary notwithstanding.

PRESIDENT:

Is there further discussion? Senator Rock.

SENATOR ROCK :

Thank you, Mr. Presidenk. rise in opposiEion to

SB 82. Very simply stated this project is nöt included inthe' DepartmenE of Transportakionls 1974 program. I think

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Transportation that's one thing but I think that as long

as we have that Departnent and fully funded they should

be responsible for tAese projects.

PRESIDENT:

Is there further discussion? Question is shall

SB 82 pass the veto of the Governor to the contrary

notwithstanding. And on that question the Secretary

will call thy roll.SECRETARY:

Bartulisz Bell, Berning, Bruce, Buzbee, Carroll,

Chew, Clarke, Conolly, Course, Daley, Davidson, Donnewaldv

Dougherty: Fawell, Glass, Graham, Harber Hall, Kenneth

Hall, Hynes, Johns, Keegan, Knuepfer, Knuppelz Kosinski,

Latherow, McBroom, Mccarthy, MerritE, Mitchler, Howard

Mohr? Don Moore, Netsch, Newhouse, Nimrod, Nudelman,

Ozinga, Palmer, Partee, Regner, Rockz Roe, Ronanoz'Saperstein, Savickas, Schaffer, Scholl, Shapiro, Smith,

Sommer, soper, Sours, Swinarski, Vadalabene, Walker,

Weaver, Welsh, Wooten, Mr. President.

PRESIDENT:

Fawell, aye. ..oouestion the yeas are 28. The nays

are l5. SB 82 having failed to receive the required three-

fifth's vote is declared...the..othe veto is declared sus-

tained. ...Bill 116, Senator Knuppel.

SENATOR KNUPPEL:

Mr. President, this bill passed b0th the House and

Senate by a substantial majority. It's a bill designed

to clear up confusion caused By an Appellate Court decision

one..on..eon the...confllct that noW exists in the 1aW

beEween involuntary Panslaughter and reckless homicide.

By pdssing this bill you will avoid the confusion Which

now exists and which.will continue to exist until there is

a United States Supreme Court decision in this matter When-

ever that may be and it's for this reason...somebody I think

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misread tHe opinion in

o s othere's been some discussion about the fact that the

case which I had which went up, it is now before the

supreme court, it's pending litigation. I subnit to

you, Gentlemen, Ehat khis bill will in no way help or

hinder or affect that case because that case occurred

long ago. The gentleman involvdd has already served

the penalty imposed. This only affects those cases

arising after th'is date and will qive certainty to the

statute by making the killing of another person with an

automobile a definite offense. It will remove the

argument about equal protection which now exists and

also prosecutionv-.atorialo..prosectorial discretion.

This bill is a good bill from a lawyer's standpoint

it'll give certainty and assistance to State's Attorneys

in determining ihe planning of their suits and they will

not be reversed due to some technical error or dis-

agreement with the Appellate Court case and the statute

as it now exists. I submit this is good legislation. I

ask for a favorable roll call. Thank you.

PRESIDENT:

Is there further discussion? The question is shall

SB l16 pass the veto of the Governor to the contrary

notWithstandingt o..'ouestio'n the Secretary will call

the roll.

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khe...in khê Governor's Office

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Chew, Clarke, Conolly, Course, Daley, Davi/son, Donnewald,

Dcugherty, Fawell, Glass, Graham, Harber Hall. KenneEh

Hall, Hynes, Johps? Keegan: Knuepfer: Knuppel: Kosinski,

LaEherow, McBroom, Mccarthy: Merritty Mitchler, Howard

Mohry Don Moore, Netsch, Newhouse, Nimrod, Nudelman,

Ozinga, Palmer, Partee, Regner: Rock, Roe, Romano,

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Sommery Soper, Yours, Swinarski, Vadalabeney Wa.lker,


4. PRESIDENT:

5. On that quesEion the yeas are 29. The nays are 2.

6. Those voting present are l3. SB ll6 having failed to

receive the reqgired three-fifth's vote is declared

8. lost. SB 146. senator Ozinga.

9. SENATOR OZINGA:

l0. Well, Mr. President, I suppose we're just spinning

l1. our wheels but I'd like to take that same roll call and

l2. add a few more to it. Now this bill happens to be the

l3. bill that's really..owhat mighk be termed a people's bill

l4. and am thoropghly convinced that the Governor in vetoing

this bill was thoroughly misunderstood or misadvised or

whatever you want to call it. This bill received...sB l46

17. received a vote of 43 to l and lA6 to 4 over in khe House.

l8. This bill actually increased the amount transferred monthly

l9. ko the Motor Fuel Tax Fund which is still the Road Fund

20. to the Grade Crossing Protection Fund which is still in

21. the Department of Transportation upon the order of the

22. Illinois Commerce Commission. Now, this becomes vital

and in the Governar's veto he said that the reason that

24. he vetoed this was because of a SB 200 which I believe he

25. said would have used three million six hundred thousand

26. dollars allocated to the Grade Crossing Protection Fund

27. lnd therefore this was not needed. Now that is so far

2g. afield thaE iEfs patheEic. Actually al1 Ehat this does

29. it increases from tWo hundred thousand tooo.five hundred

30 thousand per month the transfer of these funds within

3l. that particular department. Now one of the keasons for

this bill is that the Federal Highway Act of 1973 which32.33 actually was worked for and honestly passed by Congressman

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Kluczynski of the Federal Congress together with more

of our fellas from Cock County like Hanrahan and others

from downstate and downstate is specifically in need of

Ehis bill especially around the St. Louis area and...

and you fellas know around Sprinqfield here. Now, thisbill, khe Federal Highvay Act, appropriated twenty-five

million dollars to be used in fiscal 1974, seventy-five

million in fiscal 175, seventyifive million in fiscal :76.

Ninety percent of these funds: matching funds for the

elimination of hazards and railway highway crossings.i

The additional money transferred monthly from the road

fund by this bill is desperakely needed to provide a

State share of the matching funds necessary to implement

that Highway Act of 1973 and I'm sure that if you will

just go back in your own neighborhoods, there was a high-

way Grade Crossing Protection Commission that toured the

State a11 over the State and had large nnmhers of people

that were trying for the grade separations. Now, it's been

said that there's money in this Fund. That is not true.

There is about two hundred and some odd thousand dollars

that is in the Fund but that has been allocated and there

are a large numher of projects that are being awaited...

are waiting passage by the Commerce Commission and in

order for any of this money to be touched thexe must be

a thorough hearing by the Commerce Commission and at that

time it would then decide on the amount of participation by the

local as well as the Stake and the Federal Governnent.

I would therefore urge each and everyone of you to consider

.. .or reconsider your stand with reference to the transfgr

of this Fund. This idds no new money. It is merely a

Eransfer of funds and I would beseech you to think twlce.This is a people's bill and the People are sadly in vneed

of the passage of this legislation. I would urge considerable

.. .consideration on this bill.

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PRESIDENT:

Senakor Partee.

SENATOR PARTEE:

I've always supported thcse bills which wêre

necessarily passed in Illinois to make certain that

we got every dime of Federal money which was available

to us. I am reliably informed by that division of khe

State government involved in this situation that khis

bill is not necessarye that Illinois will receive evevy

dime that we are going to get from the Federal adminis-

tration and hence I rise in opposition to the bill to

the veto of this new bill on the basis that it is not

needed to perform those things which are performable

under the existing operable financial situation and

relationship between khis Etate and the Federal Govern-

ment.

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146 pass the veto of the'Governor to the contrary not-

withstanding. On that question the Secretary will

call the roll.

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Bartulis, Bell, Berning, Bruce, Buzbee: Carroll,

Chew, Clarke, Conolly, Course, Daley, Davidson, Donnewald,

Dougherty, Pawell, Glass, Graham, Harber Hall, Kenneth

Hallz Hynes, Johns, Keegan, Knuepfer, Knuppel, Kosinski,

Latherow, McBroom, Mccarthy, Merritt, Mitchler, HoWard

Mohr, Don Moore, Netsch, Newhousee Nimrod: Nudelman,

Ozinga, Palmer, Partee, Regnery Rock, Roe, Romano,

Saperstein, Savickas, Schaffere Scholl, Shapiro, Smith,

Sommer, Soper: Sours, Swinarski, Vadalabeney'Walker,

Weàver, Welsh, Wooten: Mr. President.

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On thak question the yeas areb3o. The nays are 5.

SB l46 having failed to receive khe required khree-

fifth's vote is declared lost. The next bill to étay in

the subject matter that wd just considered is SB 2û0

requested by Senator Mitchler. SB 200.

SENATOR MITCHLER:

Mr. President, Members of the Senate, SB 200 passed

the Senate and House and as amended in the House...

PRESIDENT:

Senakor Partee, for what purpose do you arise?

SENATOR PARTEE:

Well, I just don't want to be obstreperous or

anything but I think if we just go right down the' list#

the subject matter here inclusion is not that important.

I have Members here who say Well they...wedre going to

start skipping around Ifll get missed and that...

PRESIDENT:

Well, earlier discussion did relate to these two bills

by Senator Ozinga. Senator Mitchler asked me earlier, 1...1

do not intend to do this, but since there was discussion to...

SENATOR PARTEE:

Did he have to go to the movie or something, he's going

to be here isn't he?

PRESIDENT:

.. .senator Mitchler you are going to be heke? Yes.ê

Well, proceedo..proceed with SB 200.

SENATOR MITCHLERZ

My staff inslsted that I remain. Thq...200 passed

the senate and House as amended in the House. It originally

started out with a bill that was entirely different than

what it wound up to but I consented to use. My Senate Bill

originally Was for a grade crossing separaticn in Aurora

and inasmuch as Representative Jack Hill in the House

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had a simflar bill and we passed thaE my SB 200 was used

as a vehicle to be amended to appropriate the necessary

money to the Department of Transpbrtation from the Grade

Crossing Prokection Fund for the constructio'n of railroad

grade crossing separations in various locations throughout

the State. Now, SB 200 is the appropriation bill for' the

grade crossing separations that are necessary to have

money in the Department of Transportation to match with

Federal funds and to implement section 203A of the

Federal Highway Act of 1973. Therefore, I would ask for

a favorable roll call so that we can no longer be necessitated

to delay in the Federal-state Program for the construckion

of these badly needed grade crossing separations in many,

many locations through6ut the State.

PRESIDENT:

Is there fdrther discussion? The question is shall

SB 200 pass the veto of the Governor to the contrary

notwithstanding. On that question the Secretary will

call the roll.

SECRETARY:

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Hall, Hynes, Johns, keegan, knuepfer, Knuppel, Kosinski,

Latherow, McBroom, Mccarthy, Merritt, Mitchlerp Howard

Mohrl Don Moore? Netsch, NeWhousez Nlnrod, Nudelman?

i Paàmer Partee Regner, Rock, Roe, Romanopoz nsa, , t

EapersEein, Eavickase Ech:ffer, Eeholl, Ehapiro, Emikh,

Sommer, Soper, Sours, Swinarski, Vadalabene, Walkery


PRESIDENT:

On that question the yeas are 26. The nays are 5.

SB 200 having failed to receive the required three-fifth's

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majority is declared lost. SB 183, senator Weaver.

SENATOR WEAVER:.

Mr. President and Members of the Senatez SB 183,

184, 5 and 6, all these comments are pertinent to a1l

of these four bills but l83 is an appropriation of

$12,138,599 to the State Universityïs Retirement

System. This is intended to bring the unfunded accrued

liability up to the 65t level over a period of 30 years.

In the veto message, the Governor points out that he has

appropriated sufficient dollars to meet khe payout level.

Well, we have...we are short in this years' pay out of

at least $200,000 in just thks one system. Also the

Governor refers to the funding level consistent with

the historically sound procedures of the Federal Social

Security Sysyem. A couple of years ago the FederalSocial Security deficit was in the neighborhood of three

trillion dollars however much that iszbut ik seems to. #' .

me that...that tùe Governor intends to fund State supported

pension funds in this same manner. We're in sad shape if we

don't address ourselves to this problem in the very near

future. understand the House has passed a pension bill,

a couple of bills for the downstate teachers in the amount

o/ forty-five million dollars this afternoon. Well, of

course these series of bills relates to al1 State supported

pension funds not just one and it was my intention when...

when I introduced these bills back in February to relate

to a1l the Stategs obligation not just one favorite pension

fund. I was chastised for introducing these bills but

there was very little input from the Governor's office,

none from the Governor's office and certainly none from

the other side of the aisle. There's no use'of debating

thèse bills but I would like a roll call on all khree bills,

Mr. President.

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PRESIDENT:

Is there further discussion? The question is

shall SB 183 pass the veto of the Governor to the

contrary notwithskanding. And on that questiYn

the Seeretary will call the roll.

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Chew, Clarke, Ccnolly, Course, Daley, Davidson, Donnewaldz

Douqherty, Fawell, Glass, Graham, Harber Hall, Kenneth

Hall, Hynes, Johnsy Keegan, Knuepfery Knuppel, Kosinski,

Latherow, McBroom, Mccarthy, Merritty Mitchler, Hcward

Mohrz Don Moorer Netsch, Newhouse, Nimrod: Nudelman,

Ozinga/ Palmer, Partee, Regner, Rock, Roe, Romanoy

Sapersteinz Savickas, Schaffer, Schollr Shapiro, Smith,


Weaverp Welsh, Wooten, Mr. President.

PRESIDENT:

On khat question the yeas are 29. The nays are 4.

SB l83 having failed to received the required three-fifthls

majority is declared lost. SB 184, senator' Weaver.SENATOR WEAVER:

Mr. President, Members of the Senate: 184 does the

same thing for the Teacher's Retirement System. Nothing

further to be added, it does the same thing over a thirty-

year period. It is an appropriakion of $61,265,446. I#d

appreciate a favorable roll call.

PRESIDENT:

Is khere further discussion? The question is shall

SB 1P4 pass the veto of the Governor to the contrary not-

withstanding. And on that question the Secretary Will

call the roll.

SECRETARY:


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Hall, Hynes, Joùns, Keegan, Knuepfer: Knuppel/ Kosinski,

Latherow, McBroom, Mccarthy, Merritt, Mitchlek, Howard

Mohr: Don Moore, Netsch, Newhouser Nimrod, Nudelman,

Ozinga, Palmer, Partee, Regner, Rock, Roe, Romano,

saperstein, Savickas, Schaffer, Scholl, Shapiro, Smith,

Sommer, Soper, Scurs: Swinarskiy Vadalabene, Walker,


PRESIDENT:

Senator Soper.

EENATOR SOPER:

Just a suggestion. If we keep on going this fast

we could save yourself or khe State some money. We could

cancel that yhicken, we'll be out of here.

PRESIDENT:

On that question the yea's are 28. The nays are

SB l84 having' failed to receive the required three-

fifth's majority is declared lost. SB 185.

SENATOR WEAVER:

Mr. President and Members of the Senate, 185 appropriates

$10,408,230 to the State Employees Retirement System. I9d

appreciate a favorable roll call.

PRESIDENT:

Senator Knuepfer.

SENATOR KNUPEEER:

I just want to take a momenk to address this Body.

I have been here nine years now and every term I've seen

this absolute failure to deal with the pension issue.

But, what is most astounding to me is that an administration

that feels it can reduce taxes does not feel that it can

fuhd its liabilities to the teachers and the employees of

this State of Illinois. This money is owed whether we put

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the,money in or not and it ought to be paid. And I'm

just sorry to see another Session go by and leave

the question in limbo while We play games with programs

for tax refunding. If youbve got the money pùk it in

here where it belongs.

PRESIDENT:

Is there further discussion? The question is shall

SB l85 pass the veto of the Governor to the contrary

notwithstanding. On that question the Secrekary will

call the roll.

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Dougherty, Fawell, Glass, Graham, Harbqr Hall, Kenneth

Hall, Hynes, Johns, Keegan, Knuepfer, Knuppel, Kosinski,

Latherow, McBroom, Mccarthy, Merritt, Mitchler, Hofvvard

Mohr, Don Moore, Netsche Newhouse, Nimrod, Nudelman,

Ozinga, Palmer, fartee, Regner/ Rock? Roe: Romano,




PRESIDENT:

.. .ouestion the yeas are 28. The nays are 3 and

l voting present. SB 185 having failed to receive the

required three-fifth's majority is declared lost.SB 186.

SENATOR WEAVER:

Mr. President and Members of the Senate, SB l86

is a real gem. Itvovit takes care of the Judges Retirement

System and I hope I get 35 votes on this.

PRESIDENT:

Does Senator Knuppel wish to be recorded aye?

Senator Knuppel.

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SENATOR KNUPPEL:

I would recommend that a1l of those people who

voted to rescind thea..the action for constitutional

amendment ought to support this.

PRESIDENT:

Is there further discussion? The question is

shall SB l86 pass the veto of the Governor to the

contrary notwithstanding. On that question the

Secretary will call the roll.

SECRETARY:

Bartulis, Bell, Berning, Druce, Buzbeez Carroll,


Dougherty, FaWell, Glass, Graham, Harber Halle Kennekh


Latherow, Mcgroom, Mccarthy, Merritt, Mitchlery Howard

Mohr, Don Moore, Netsch, Newhouse, Nimrbd, Nudelman,

i Palmer Partee, Regne'r, Nock, Roe, Romano,Oz nga, ,Saperstein, Savic'kas, Schaffer, Scholl, Shapiro/ Smith,


Weaver, Welsh: Wooten, Mr. Presidenk.

PRESIDENT:

On khat question the yeas are 24. The nays are 7.

SB l86 having failed to receive the required three-fifth's

majority is declared lost. SB l87...Fawe1l. Take that

out of the record please. SB 218: senator Ozinga.

SENATOR OZINGA:

Well, Mr. President, this is probably an effort in

futility too.o.this...this again is one of the better bills

that the Governor was misinformed on as per custom and

this...by this bill we were creating what might be ealled

an automatic fire sprinkler contrackors and j'ourneymans

examining board. The appropriation which was contained

in 4l8 to examine these people was reduced and the

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Govérnor's veto appears to be based solely on the fact

that he feels the added expense ko the State, the primary

reason given in his veto message that it impose an un-

necessary cost on both the cities and local g6vernment

of the State. Then he commented also on the . ..lccal

government could do this. Well this is exactly why we

Wanted the bill so we would have people that would be

protective of the public welfare of the people that

would be in these larger buildings where they do have

large crowds qathering. This is...would have been a

good bill and would have aided and abetted the local

authorities to such an extent that their job would

have been made a 1ot easier and I would say that again

because of the misinformation a1l that I'm asking for is

a favorable çoll call and 1'11 go along with Weaver's 34.

PRESIDENT:

Is there further disaussi'on? The question is shall

SB 2l8 pass the v'eto of the Governor to the contrary

notwithstanding. On that question the Secretary Will

call the roll.

SECRETARY:

Bartulis, Bellr Berning? Bruce, Buzbee, Carroll,

Chew, Clarke, Conolly, Coursez Daley, Davidson, DonneWald,


Hall, Hynes, Johns, Keegan, Knuepfer, Mnuppel: Kcsinski,

Latherow, McBroom, Mccarthy, Merritk, Mitchler, Howard




Sommer, Soper, Sours, Swinarski, Vadalabene, Walker,.


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SB 218 having fpiled to receive the required three-

fifth's majority is declared lost. SB 333, Senator

Course. No. Senator 338. Senator McBroom.

SENATOR MCBROOM:

Yes...Mr. President, SB 338 does just what theCalendar says. I'm happy to report to you Mr. President

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that Ilm sure this bill wonlt take much time and will

sail through with a comfortable majority in view of

the intense and extreme and unswerving interest that

the administration expressed in flood control Mr.l

President. Iîm confidqnt that b0th sides of the aisle

will concur on Ehis one. Appreciate a favorable roll call.

PRESIDENT:

Any other advocates of flood contrql wish to be

heard from? The question is shall SB 338 pass the veto

of the Governor to the contrary...to the contrary not-

withstanding and on thak ques'tion the Secretary will call

the roll. '

SXCRETARY:

Bartulis, Bell, Berning, 3ruce, Buzbee, Carroll,




Latherow, McBroom, Mccarthy, Merritt, Mitchler, Haward

Mohr, Don Moore, Netschp Newhouse, Nimrod, Nudelman,

Ozinga: Palmer, Partee, Regner, Rock, Roe, Romomo:

Saperstein, Savickase Schaffer, Scholl, Shapiro, Smith,

Sommer, soper, Sours, Swinarski, Vadalabene, Walkery

Weaver, Welsh Wooten, Mr. President.

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majority in spite of campaign oratory to khe contrary

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1. is declared lost.' SB 380, Senator McBroom.

2. SENATOR MCBROOM:

3. Welf, Mr...Mr. President/that shows up two places on

4. the Calendar. Actually it's on postponed. I don't ...

5. you want to go ahead n6W?

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7. .goproceed.

8. SENATOR MCBROOM: .

9. Well, Mr. President, I've gone over this bill and

l0. I don't think it's really necessary unless someone would

l1. want to ask me question too..to explain it further and

l2. it extends the kerms of township supervisors so they

l3. would coincide with highway commissioners which we did

l4. in a...in a previous Session Mr. President. I..wsenator '#

l5. Nimrod has an intense interest in this and so does

l6. Senakor Schaffer and Senator Berning. If they'd care

l7. to comment otherwise I1d just as soon have a roll call#

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l9. PRESIDENT:

20. Senator Don Moore.

2l. SENATOR D0N MOORE:

22. .o.Thank you, Mr. President and Members of the Senate.

23.* I would just like to call to the attention of the Democratic24. Members from the County of Cook on the other side of the

i 1 who are not koo prone to often be in favor of town-25. a s e

26. ship government that this bill does not affect anybody in

27. the County of Cook. We presently elect a1l of our township

28. qfficials at one time at a specific election. so kf there

29. Was any thought on some of you Members over there that

3c. this bill applied to'tée township officials in Cook County

3k. and that their supervisors uera going to be extended for

f two years khat is not the case. It only applies32. a term o

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PRESIDENT:

Senator Nimrod.

SENATOR NIMROD:

. ..1 just want to...Mr. President, I just want

to call their attention to the fact that wqlre going

to have to address ourselves to the subject sometime.

. . .You can not have this constant waste of money

exist and I think what Wefre doing by not supporting

this is just spending eleven, twelve million dollars

for no reason at al1 and just want to call it to ourattention.

PRESIDENT:

Senator Rock.

SENATOR ROCK:

Yes, Mr. President, I rise in opposition to SB 380.

I think that if we esfablish the precedent where people

elect a person to office and then we can by legislation

extend that term of office that is a very, very tenuous

and dangerous precedent. In addition I would echo the

words of Senator Nimrod, we..oweo..those who have to

change the township boundary lines have to face this

sooner or later. There is no reason why they can't

face it now. I would urge opposition to SB 390.

PRESIDENT:

Is there further discussion? Senator Berning.

SENATOR BERNING:

It seems curious to me Mr. President, that we can sit#

here and complain about legislative action that will

undertake to save money for our taxpayers When I..oremind

the members here who may not have been here at the time

that the Supreme Court told many of us who were çlected for

four years thak we couldn't serve four years, they cuE us

off with two, mpre than once I might remind you. I submit

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8. a11 of our taxpayers who must vote in these elections and

9. it will benefit b0th Republican and Democrat officeholders.

l0. This ought to be a bi-partisan bill if we have ever had

ll. one in this Body.

l2. PRESIDENT:

l3. Is there further discussion? Question is shall SB

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l5. withstandinq. On that question the Secretary will call

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l7. SECRETARY:

.1:. Bartulis, Bell, Bernlng, Bruce, Buzbee, Carroll,

l9. Chew, Clarke, Conolly, Course, Daley, Davidson, Donnewaldr

120. Dougherty, Fawell, Glass, Graham, Harber Hall, Kenneth . l21

. Hall, Hynes/aohns, Keegan, Knuepferr Knuppel, Kosinski, !l22

. Latherow, McBroom, Mccarthy: Merritt, Mitchler, Howardl23

. Xohr, Don Moore, Netsch, Nelihouse, Nimrod, Nudelman,Ij4 Ozinga, Palmer: êartee'z Regner'z Rock, Roe, Romano,

S kein Savickasy Schaffer, Scholl Shapiro 'Smith,25. apers , , , .

26. sommer, soper, sours, swinarski, vadalabene, Walker,:27. Weaver, Welsh Wooten, Mr. President. ii2: PRESIDENT:

l29 Senator McBroom. .

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Poll the absentees please.3l.

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Requesk for the call of the absentees. They will be j3 3 . . - .. . . . .-..- .uw - .

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Buzbee, Carroll, Chew, Course, Daley, Donnewald,

Hynes, Meegan, Kosinski, Mccarthy: Newhouse, Nudelman:

Palmer, Partee, Romano, Saperstein: Savickas, Smith,

Sginarski, Welsh, Wooten.

PRESIDENT:

On that question the yeas are 34. The nays are 4.


majority is declared lost. SB 418: Senator Ozinga.

Take it out of the record. SB 421. SB 4484 Senator

Bartulis.

SENATOR BARTULIS:

Thank you, Mr. PresidenE, and Members of the Senate. On

May 21st, SB 448,that passed this House witho..with a 45 to' 0

call and...just to help you along with, this is the bill

isoa.amends the School Code and would help in the area

where bank...bankruptcies in a school district is a detriment

to the...the State Aid Formula which they receive. And this

one bill in particular would help one school district

in my area and I know of no other ones but just one that...

in northern Illinois which they had a House Bill which

had been passed. And, as far as ï...I've checked on this

and OSPI has amended it to iEs wants and I could not find

any other school district that it wovld help but this one

school district in Madison County. It would help them

to the tune of $12,000 only. So I would like to have a

favorable roll call.

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pass the veto of the Govgrnor to Ehe conerary notwithstanding.

On that question the secretary will call the roll.

SECRETARY:

Bartulis, Bell: Berning, Bruce, Buzbee, Carroll,

w. wThere discussion? The is shall SB 448

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2. Dougherky, Fawell, Glass, Graham, narber Hall, Kenneth

3 Hall, Hynes, Johns, Keegan, Knuepfer, Knuppel, Kosinski,

4. Latherow, McBroom, Mccarthy, Merritt, Mitchle'r, Howard

5. Mohr: Don Moore, Netsch, Newhouse, Nimrod , Nudelman,

E. Ozinga: Palmer, Partee, Reqner, Rock, Roe, Romano,

7. Saperstein: Savickas, Schaffer, Scholly Shapiro, smith,

8. Sommer, Soper, Sours, Swinarski, Vadalabene, Walker,

9. Weaver, Welsh Wooten, Mr. President.

l0. PRESIDENT: . .

ll. On that question the yeas are 30. The nays are 6.

l2. ...senator Barkulis.

l3. SENATOR BARTULIS:

14. Thank youpMr. President. First of .a11 I want to

l5. thank you pepple for the vote and second I want to tell

.16. you the apples were on me today. I wanted to tell you

l7. after the bill came up. Thank yquoaothe worm.

l6. PRESIDENT:

l9. The yeas are 30. The nays are 6. SB 448 having

20. failed to receive the required three-fifth's majority '2l. is declared lost. ...Bil1 462, Senator Hall.

22. SENATOR HARBER HALL:

23. Mr. President, fellow Senatorsy SB 462 is $19,000,000

24. back to each and everyone of the counties in our great

25. State. This is not a provision that will provide something

26. for Cook County and nothing for downstate. It'z not... .

27. it's not a bill that will give something to the downstate

28. counties and nothing to Cook County everyone of the counties

29. wiil receive from now on - from 1975 on - tWenty-five per-

3c. cenk of the inheritance tax they collect. Now if you .(

21. recall the 1970 Constitution eliminated collàctor's fees

a2. inball the counties. As an example of what this does to

a3 the counties - in mv Drimàrv Countv of McLean the collector's. -*' '*' '* '''' l :

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fees amount to about $800,000 a year. With the passage

of this bill about two hundred or, between two hundred and two

hundred and fifty thousand dollars would be gained back by

retaining twenty-five percent of the inheritance tax that's

normally collected in the county. Your county is in the same

situation. I might tell you that because of the elimination

of persona.l property tax and the elimination of the collector's

fees that for the first 'time in my memory and it is the .

first time that have been informed the County of McLean

normally thought of as a rich, well-to-do, prosperous,

high assessed valuation county is in deep financial stress.

' They have presently budgeted showing a deficit in the

current yearfs budget of $500,000. This bill would go

a long way to reduce the size of that deficit. They have

never budgeted a deficit before. Now I have one other

thing to say. in favoraof this bill that you may not have

considered and that is in my oplnion this is a question of

a bill that is morally right. When I say morally right, I

say to you that each and every one of us will have an

estate - mine and others will be very small, yours, some

of you will have sizeable estates subject to the provisions

of an inheritance tax - when that happens I think you would/'

appreciate the fact that when the State comes in and properly

taxes your estate that a porticn of that would retain in

the county where you accumulated these funds and these

properties for the good of that county where you Were

fortunate enough Eo assimilate an estate of this kind.

And I think for that reason I can justly say Ehis is amorally right bill. Now for those of you who join the

Governor and say weli we can't afford it nows lt's a1l

right but we ,can't affora it. say to you this .bill

will noE take effect until...fiscal 1975 and aE the rate

the States are increaslng at the present rate in three

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years: the State .would never know they missed the Ewenty-

five percent, and from then on the take to the State would

be continuously increased every ye>r. So, I humbly suggest

that this is *he right bill at the time. Wc ha' ve the

funds and every county will be very greatful for your

support and the...veto of the Governor to the contrary

notwithstanding/ I solicit your support.

PRESIDENTZ

Senator Sours.

SENATOR SOURS:

This is a bill that I can't possibly imagine would

not receive the support of every single Member of this

Chamber. I think...l think the principle is good. I

just wish the Senator - call me Chuck - .and the...theother Senator. from Illinois would take a liking to this

kind of bill so thak the counties would èet some of

the benefits of the Federal Estatq Return that many

eople have to f iie for decedent ' s estates . This is aP

step in the right direction . The money has been going

to Springf ield and the money has been going to Washington

but not in equal quantities . Washington has been the

big - and I say this kindly - thief . . .and Springf ield

has been next in line . Now I hope Senator Percy and Senator

Stevenson will take a bill like 'his to heart and maybe

permik some of the property that is being sent to

Washingkon in the Eorm 706 , Eederal Estate Return and

also sent to springf ield under the Illinois Inheritance

Tax Return so the coanties Iay haye a littl/ someEhing.

When this was first posed I was opposed to it until I

learned thew..the problem of Ehe counties sincp the...

since the abolition or the ultimate abolition 'of the

peràonal property tax which will cease eo exist in another

three or four years. Now fhis does not need extensive

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debate belleve me and I...and I do hope...l do hope that

our Congressmen and our two United States Senators

i11 heed to a bill like this whic' h lets some of thew

property which goes willy-nilly to Washington and

which goes willy-nilly to Springfield where some of

it should'actually stay Where it was earned or ac-

cumulated or where the testator or the decedent had

his legal residence. I can't imagine anyone even

those from the Cfty of Chicago in the County of Cook

who would oppose this. I can't imagine anybody fram

southern Illinois, middle Illinois, northern lllinois

opposing this for their counties which need the money.

This is a bill that everyone should support, everyone.

PRESIDENT:

Senakor Partee.

SENATOR PARTEE:

Well, Mr. President. I think in candor it could be

said that this bill does have in fact some rather attractive

features for those of us who are concerned about our counties.

Of that $19,000,000 our calculations are that approximately

$10,200,000 would go to the county from which I hail,

Senator, hence it is attractive from a conceptual point

of vieu. I think certainly that this is an idea which

will in'the near future become the law in this State.

There is something to be said however for the vèto message

in terms of the fact that this money was not in the budget

and hence is not available for this kind of loss. NoW 1et

me point ouE to you that as Senator Hall sqys that it only takes

effect in 1975. That We have time to pass based on ex-

periences next yeqr, a bill of this or similar nature which

will help to accommodate the counties. A11 of the talk

that I have heard here today about the need in the counties

has been accurate except it has lefE out one vital difference

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between what the counties now receive and what they

received just a little bit ago before Pederal Revenue

Sharingvand there are examples and instances that I could

cite to you if I took the time of some counties thak have

revenue sharing money that they donlt know what to do

with. This of course does not erase the fact that there

are many counties that do in fact need these funds but

revenue sharing has made a great deal of difference in

terms of need from the couities and as I say, Senator

this is an idea whose time is rapidly approaching. But in

light of the present budget situation,l must vote present

on this bill.

PRESIDENT:

senator Graham.

SENATOR GRAHAM:

Mr. President and Members of the Senate, I'd like to

recall Eo the many vekerans of this Senate the facts as

we have learned them. I have been acquainted with them

for fifteen years but many times in our sense of being

cooperative vith county government so it could..oit could

be a viable part of our republic that we did in fact im-

pose upon them our judgments indidating to Ehem that we in

our wisdom or lack of it suggested that they perform

certain task and/or duties that we felt was indumbent upon

them as a part of the government of the State of Illinois.

And I have been a party to that and most of you gentlemen

who have any time in here have been a party to it also1.

but I would challenge your recollection to indicate when

if ever we have done anything about funding some of our

mandates. Yes, we have revenue sharing - in many cases

tied up' so tight that they can't do the things with it

that tfey should do. ' Townshlps, for inseance, are restricted

to the point that they can't spend the 'revenue sharing

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in the best interest of their..minterest of Eheir

constituencies. So we believe in one or two or

three things. I Wouid like the Sdnator of rein-

carnation and Senator Percy as Sours has saié to

do something also - they're the great dreamers -

we either.believe ip preserving our form of govern-

ment or we believe in destroying And some of

the same gentlemen on thls Floor Who are going to

vote against this bill are going to go back to

their constituencies next year and say oh yes we

do believe in keeping government closest to the

people, whilé at the same time they vote against

providing some of the fznds. The time has come,

Senator Partee, this is an idea this time is not

coming, the time has arrived. think it's incum-

benE upon us to either stand up and be counted, fish

or cut bait with regard to the preservation of the

county form of government or We say to them you

people be damn. Wefll take over your responsibilities

in springfield and utlimately Washington will serve

the same nofice on us. They'll take us over and I

don't believe al1 the wisdom in this country rest

either in the capitpl in Springfield or on the

Potomac Rivera

PRESIDENT:

. . .scholl.

SENATOR SCHOLL:

Mr. President, Members of the Senate, it was very

interestinq to realize that Cook County would receive

$10,000,000. Knowing the feelings of the people of,

Cook County, knowing that they want tax relief, knowing

the feelings of being a Member of Chicago City Council

for 10 years and knpwing how those people want tax

relief. I'm going to vote for this bill.

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PRESIDENT :

2. Senator Doughyxty and then Senator McBroom.

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SENATOR DOCCHERTY:

I just want to be consistent. believe y'au

were a Member of this Body same as I was a number

of years ago when Senator Berning offered a bill

that would deprive the State of...I think was

50%: then he later...subsequen*ly reduced it 25% and

did not want to disturb the then present ad-

ministration of Governor Ogilvie by depriving him

of the same amount of Doney that would be in as is

indeed in this bill. I'm going to be consistent.

I believe I was the only Senator Who voted against

it at the time of its passage and I'm going to vote

no again. I have a list here of the surpluses that

are in existence in the various counties of the

State of Illinois and you Woukd b: surprised at the

tremendous amount'of money that the counties have.

They don't need this.

PRESIDENT:

Senator McBroom.

SEMATOR MCBROOM:

W1ll, Mr. Presidenk and Mambers of the Senate, I'm

speaking very briefly not because that I am persuaded

that what I have to say will change any votes on this

Floor but to underscore what 1 think is one of 2he most

important bills of this Session, the one that Senatot

Harber Hall is handling..ol don'k know where you get

your information Senator Dougherty and you know I have

infinite respeck for youp but youere certainly not talking

about the counties in the distrlcts which I represent.

I wbuld like to tell the Members of this Senate, when a

State's Attorney of your côunty comes to you and advises

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down because he'can not hire atkorneys and a good

many of you Gentlemen are lawyers who serve in this

Senate. You know it's absolutely ludicrous to' expect

the...an attorney, the State's Attorney to hire

Assistant State's Attorneys for 15 16,000 dollars a

year. That's the situation we faced in our county

not very long ago and I'm happy that I was one of the

ones that opposed it. Nok very long ago we mandated that

a good many of the counkies buy voting machines and

didn't give them any means by which to purchase these

voting machines. Constituticnal Convention saw

fit to eliminate a 3% collection fee...I...I Want to

congratulate you Senator Hall on your foresight and

on one of th< finest bills of this Session and one of

the most necessary ones. I certainly iltend to vote

aye.

PRESIDENT:

Senator Donnewald.

SENATOR DONNEWALD:

I heard Senator McBrooM mention something about

voting machines downstate. I wonder.e.how .he changed

his position. I think a Session or so ago that I

sponsored a bill ko put voting machines downstate and#

Senator I think you opposed that violently.l

PRESIDENT:

Senator McBroom.

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SENATOR MCBROOM:

Well, Senator Donnewald, I...perhaps you didn't hear

what I sald that was part of my argument. I said that I

did oppose voting machlnes, that We imposed an additional

ex/ense on the counties without giving them any means to payfor them and I'm..-just usèd that as an argument in support

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of Senator Hall's bill. You are corectz I opposed

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In the next few weeks I suspect those of us from

downstate are going to have to jit in this Chamber

and listen to the problems of Ehe Chicago Metropolitan

Area and the CTA. I hope that you Gentlemen get...

frot Chicago and Cook County get better treatment

from the Republicans on your problems than you are

obviously prepared to give those of ua from downstate

On OurS.

PRESIDENT:

Senator Merritt.

àENATOR MERRITT:

. . .Yes...Mr. President, Members of the Senate, those

of you who know me the best know that I'm going to be

brief. Been much discussion on this subject. I know that '

what Senator Dougherty was alluding to Was the figures

out of Comptrollerls Office in my 'own county but we must

consider also that those were '72 balance figures and

certainly in my County of Vermilion which is a Tairly

good sized downstate county is 72,000 surplus at the

end of '72 was no comfortable balance. It's a1l been

eroded away since that time. In my own county they're%

having budget hearing meetings every week right now.

TheyRve gone so far as to cut twice and now calling

each officeholder back. and saying theylre going to just

arbitrarily cut people out of there because they can't

finance'it and I knowethis is going on in al1 downstate

counties. If I have an opportunity here as one Senator

to help alleviate those financial burdens back home I/

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want to go.home and said I faced my. fiscal responsibility

in doing so. And, I think those of us in those type of counties

downstate should do likewise.

PRESIDENT:

Is there further discussion? Senator Hall may close

the debatç.

SENATOR HARBER HALL:

Well, Mr. President, I want to thank each and every

Member who has listened to the discussion, who has thought

about this bill. I know however your vote will be from

your heart and which you think is best for the people of

Illinois. I would Point out to some of the neWer Members

of the Senate, newer people to State government aqd county

government that the maximum tax levy in any county is 15

mills, that's 15 cents on a hundred dollars of assessed

valuation. That's not very much. There's hardly any

taxing body who can't tax at a higher rate than that. And

with that 15t the people want a county executive; they want#

better management, they want data processingr occasionally

they want a new court house to supplant one that's a hundred

and twenty years o1d and falling down. They want to be

able to attract good employees. They want to do a1l that

with 154. The County Board of McLean County came to me

and other Members of the Legislature and they said either

increase the %ax levying so that we can opérake this

counky or get something done for county government. We can

not continue on when you keep taking away and give us

nothing in return. So I think Ladies and Gentlemene#

particularly those who feel Ehey may have to vote agalnst

this good measure that you have an opportunity here that

will not hurk the Governor's budget. I've heard Hal Hovey

say webre going to have a l62 excess million dollars, plus

thirty million dollars for parochial aid which we can't adopt,

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plus this and plus that. When T get through adding

up these figures it would seem to me we have somewhere

in the neighborhood of $300,000,000 of potential excess

in the budget. So if you can't afford to help county

government when you have deprived them of their previously

accessible resources I would say you have to face your'

constituency and you have to face those people who are

elected to a lower branch of government than you and

still ge: the job done...however you vote I will respect

it but I would solicit your vote at this time.

PRESIDENT:

Question is shall SB 462 pass the veto of the Governor

to the contrary notwithstanding. On that question the


SECRETARY:

Bartulis, Bell, Derning, Bruce, Buzbee, Carroll,




Latherowr McBroom, Mccarthy, Merritt, Mitchler, Howard

Mohrg Don Möore, Netsch, Newhousey Nimrod, Nudelman,



Sommer, Soperr Sours/ Swinaréki, Vadalabene, Walker,

Weaver, Welsh.Wooten, Mr. President.

PRESIDENT:

Been a request for a call of the absentees. The

absentees will be called. Proceed.

SECRETARY:

Carroll, Chew, Clarkeg Courser Daley: Donnewald:

Dougherty, Kenneth Hall, Hynes, Keegan, knuppel, Kosinski'

i P tee Rock,Mccarthy/ Newhouse, Nudelman, Pa mer, ar rRomano, Saperskein, Savickas, Smith. Gwinarski, Welsh.

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PRESIDENT:

On that question the yeas are The nays are 4.


vote majority is declared lost. SB 599, Senatbr Course.

SENKTOR COURSE:

Yes, Mr. Chairman, I'm not going to call 599 and 600.

Prior to filing this wikh the Secretary I tried to get

in touch with the...the Secretary of the Commerce Com-

mission and was...Well, I didn't geV in touch with him period.So I filed the m'otion, and after I had filed the motiop I got

a call from the Secretary and I discussed this with the

Secretary and members of his staff and he told me that

if this...these tWo bllls were passed and 333 is like-

Wise that ik would make administrating %he Motor

Carriers of Property Law more difficult and for that

reason I'm not going to call the bills and I thought that in

fairness to the people who did suqport this legislationat the Reglular Sèssion, I owed them an explanation.

Thank you.


The next bill will be SB 621, Senator Glass.

SENATOR GLASS:

Thank you, Mr. President. I'm going to move at this

time that the veto of the Governor of SB 621 to the contrary

notwithstanding that this bill be passed. Now just to

give the Membership a little bit of background, 62l and

SB 620 were companion bills. As a package they increased

the support oi the State for Vocational Education andid d that the State will pay the so-called cost over-prov e

ride, that is the difference in cost between the ordinary

academic student and the Vocational Education'student.

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last week a few important factors that I will bring to

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your increased the cost

override factor in about 6 years. Now it's true that

the Stace has increased support for Vocational Education

slightly but it..ait hasn't increased at all in the last

three years...it has...in the cost override support

hasn't increased in the last six years. This, I think,

is a deplorable situation. We have in fact had enormous

increases in enrollment far greater than those that I

had earlier.m.provided for you. The increase in enroll-

ment in the last three years in Elementary Vocational

Programs has been almost sevenfold: that is from 103,000

up to 783,000. At the secondary level during that period

we have increased approximately 60,000 in enrollment and

during that period the State support for Vocational Ed

has actually declined from 14,700,000 down to 14,200,000.

NoW these figures I think are shocking at a time When

wefre encouraging our young people to get into Vocational

Edusation- Programs. The State is actually promoting in-

creases in enrollment. I know that many of you have re-

ceived letters from vocational people throughout the State

and I think you should take a good look at these letters

because this is something that is felt in every area of the

State, particularly in the metropolitan areas. Quoting from

a letter that Senator Sours provided me from the Peoria area:

Employers . and students of Peoria County and our entire State

have been receptive and supportive of tùe renewed educational

emphasis on educaEion for ,careers and vocations. Legislators

overwhelmlngly supported SB 620 and 621 only to have these

bills vetoed by our Governor. I have a similar letter

from the Chicago Teachergs union urging support of the

override on these bills and so goes throughout the State.Nowy I 'm aware that the Governor said Ehat this 7 .2 million. .o,

dollars was not ln his budget but ou& of a 7 million dollar State

attention now. We have not

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budget and with all the other attempts to override

that have failed I am certain that this amount of

money iq involved and' I think more importantly I

should bring ouE khis point in closing . When we

Ealk about providing the differential in costs, we're . . .

we are really talking about only 20% of that

differential. If we pass this bill we will only

be at the 20% level and really pnly holding the

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votes this bill came within two votes of achieving

an override. I would earnestly urge a11 of you to

. ..to give us these votes and let this bill pass

notwithstanding the veto of the Governor.

PRESIDING OFFICER (SENATOR GRAHM4):

Senator Partee.

SENATOR PARTEE:

Mr. President and Members of the Senate, particularly

Senator Glass, 1et me say to you that Vocational Education

as a subject and as a concept is something that I have

long supported. I want you ko know that very recently

I have been very disturbed about what I call the college

syndrome in America today. I think that an awful lot of

people are going to college today not because they really

want to go or not because their parents are particularly

interested in them as individuals going but because I think

it has some social aspect involved in whether or nott

your kid's going to college and where he's going. I think

a lot of people would be much happier kf their students who

were not college material particularly or who didn't Want

to go even if they were mighk be better off in some type ofj . '

Vocatiolal Guidance. .There has growing up in this country

a group of people that refer to as elitists who are more

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than.concerned about college preparation and schooling

.. .to the distress it seems to me of a large number of

young people who would be in much brtter shape in a

Vocational school. I want very much to suppori thisbill. It however is not in the Governorfs budget

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will survive if this bill does not become legislation

and ï say to you and I give you Ehis word that in the

next Session of the Legislature we will do something

which does not stretch the amount of money fron what

appears to be a plateau 7 million dollars into a 21

millicn dollar obligation Within the next year or so.

think there are...needs to be a great deal more in-

depth study made in terms of determining how best we can

accompllsh this jo5 at a price or at an amount which

can be accommgdated by the next State budget. I com-

pliment you fcr tha idea. You will have'my support

next time but welre going to be do/ng something elsewith the bill in terms of having it accommodate a

budget. This is a good idea and I agree that Vocational

Education is a subject which needs a great deal more

funding in our State. I'm going to have to in light

of what I said to you howevery vote present.

PRESIDENT:

Kny fuxther discussion? Senator Berning.

SENATOR BERNING:

Just occurs to me, Mr. President and members of the

Body that We can be acting responsibly here by attacking

a dual problem. Obviously, as even the Minority Leader

indicates, we need more Vocational Education and I submit that

it does us no good and it doesn't do us proud to pro-.

crastinate and put off enhancing the Vocational Education

Pro/ram. But, let me point out to you that We do have a

golden opportunity to furthèr reduce the ever, apparently

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ever' increasing'demand for welfare every time we make

it more nearly p'ossible for someone to support himself

and his family. I submit that this is a bill we ought to

pass. There is no justification for delay. We havecerkainly more than seven million dollars surplus in

the General Account right now. This bill deserves your

aye vote.

PRESIDING OF#ICER (SENATOR GRAHAM):

Any further discussion? Senator Glass may close

khe debate.

SENATOR GLASS:

Thank you, Mr. President. I want to thank Senator

Berning who is a member of the Commission on Urban

Education from whence this bill came and particularly

Senator Partee for very eloquent remarks in support

of Vocational Education. He said many things that I

had intended to say and I think said them far better

than I could have. But 1...1 Would just point thisout to you Ladies and Gentlemen who do not intend to

vote for this billm..lt's al1 very well and good to

say that next year and at the next Session we will

address this problem and provide some more funding but

ik is the thousands, and hundreds of thousands of new

students in these Vocational Education Progralns noW

that will suffer because webre waiting until next year.

It's their programs that are going to be inferior and

Ehey only have one chance to go through school and take

them. The money is available. I urge your support.

PRESIDING OFFICER (SENATOR GRAHM !):

The question before the Senate ls shall SB 62l p'ass

Ehe veto of the Governor to the contrary notwithstanding.

Secretary Will call the roll.

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. ..were you voting aye? ...question the yeas

are 30. The nays are none, eight voting prmsent.

SB 62l having failed to receive the constitutional

three-fifth's vote required is declared lost. The

next one we have marked up here is SB 663, Senator

McBroom.

SENATOR MCBROOM:

Well, Mro..president, I'd like to make an inquiry

of you. You think this would be a judicious time

Mr. President in view of the fact that Senator Mohr

and I are about the only two on tie Floor. Could you

respond to that Mr. President?


If I am using the record of the last roll calls

I don't know when there would be a propitious time.

SENATOR MCBROOM:

Well...

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Oqil.vie was illzadvised when he vetoed it. I would

submit to you the same thing holds true this time

when Governor Wélker saw fit to veto the bill. I

am advised Mr. President, that the members of 'his staff

contacted no responsible travel agents in the State

of Illinois to get their views on this particular

piece of legislation. I'd llke to read here, Mr.

President, avcouple comments if I may. Governor

Walker's staff made three points against this bill

all of which in 'my opinion were invalid as I will

try to point out. First it was said the adoption of

this bill would unfairly burdened some agents to the ad-

vantage of others and crqated administraEive hard-

ship on agenks operating in..oin this a: well as

other States. ...Many of the travel agents submit

that this is entirely false Mr. President and 1...1

submit it is too. The second' point in the veto message

stated that the lïcensed travel agents and salesmen

would not protect the consumer from fraudulent agencies

in the State. This is not the case this is the exact

purpose of the bill. Thirdly, Governor Walker states

Ehat we are the most restrickive and legislative in-

dividuals in the United States. 1...1 question that

that is true. The bïll...the bfll in question would

I think help to circumvent some of the problems that we

read about not very long ago when hundreds and hundreds

of individuals werew..stranded in Europe. ...I'd'

1 s I,a appreciatebe happy to try ko answer any quest on .

a favorable roll call, Mr. President.

PRESIDING OFFICER (SENATOR GPAHAMI:

Any discussion? Senator Harber Hall.

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Senator McBroom, convened that Commission several days

and late in the evening and this bill had the support

of travel agents throughout the State. The reason for

my interest in this area was that literally hundreds of

college students who had been sold trips to Europe found

themselves stranded over in Europe. They were my con-

stituents and I presume .everyone had constituents in

this category because unscrupulous travel agents had

come in and sold them a buckeE of worms. I think this

bill was designed to alleviate this situation and I

would support this bill.

PRESIDING OFFICER (SENATOR GRAEKM):

Any further discussion before the main question is

put? The question before the Senate is then shall SB)

663 pass the veto of the Governor to the contrary not-

withskanding. Secretary Will call the roll.

SECRETARY:

Bartulis, Bell, Berning, Brucey Buzbee, Carroll,

Chew, Clarke, Conolly, Course, Daley, Davidson , Donnewald,


Hall, Hynes, Johns, Keegan, Knuepêer, Knuppel, Kosinski,

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Saperstein, Savickasy Schaffer, Scholl, Shapiro, Smith,

Sommer, Soper, sours, Swinarski, Vadalabene, Walker,!

Weaverp Welsh Wooten, Mr. President.


There has been a'request for a call of the absentees.

Absentees will be called.

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6. Fawell, aye. Wqre you voting aye, Senator Carroll?

7. On this question the yeas were 32. The nays were 1. One

8. member voting present. SB 663 failing to receive the

9. consEituEional three-fifth's majority required is there- '

l0. fore declared lost. SB .664, Senator McBroom? The question

ll. before the Senate is shall SB 664 pass ahd. on that question

l2. the Secretary will call the roll.

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26. SB 664 failing to recezve the required three-fifth's iI

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2g. take it ouE of thq record. Qhe next bill #hen would be i(29

. SB 731, Senator Don Moore. :. !

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laz. .. .Thank you Mr. President, Members of the Senate. j. . 1

)p. Mr. President, Members of Ehe Eenate IId like. - .unanimous E

a consent to heareooor have one roll call on 731 and 732.3 . . .. .

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connected with i3l. I would ask for unanimous consent to

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requirements have to require separate roll calls on

each bill Sehator.

SENATOR MOORé:

A1l right, thank you Mr. President. SB 731...

President, Members of the Senate, is a bill which authbrizes

the Department of Agriculture to participate in the funding

for preparation of the Chicago Metropolitan Area River

Basin Plan by the United States Department of Agriculturey

Soil Conservation Service. This plan côvers all or parts

of the Countles of Cook, Dupage, Kane, Lake and Will Counties

lying within the watersheds of the Des Plaines River and

Poplar Creek. A cooperative agreement was entered into

on March 1, 1971 between the Soil Conservation Service

and the Metropolitan Sanitary District in Greater Chicago

to provide for the preparation of this Plan. During the

fiscal year of '7l and '72 the Metropolitan Sanitary Dis-

trict of Greater Chicago has financed this Plan. In î73

the Federal Government began to contribute to this funding.

Up to June 3Gth of $752,000 will have been committed

by the Metropolitan Sanitary District in the preparation

of this Plan. I think that this is a good billm..there

has been a very substantial amount of money invested in

this partlcularly by the Metropolitan sanltary District.

The bill Was introduced at their request and I Would request

a favorable roll call on this worthwhile piece of ldgislation

Ehat would help us out up in the Northeastern secEion of

the County of Cook.


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SENATOR MOHR:

Yes; Mr...Mr. President, Members of the Body,

senator Savickas you might want to hear thiso..senator

Moore is khis the same bill thit Senator Savickas handled

during the Regular Session?


Senator Don Moore.

SENATOR MOORE:

Yes it was. Senator Sivickas was the chief

sponsor. I was the first co-sponsor under the bill.

SENATOR MOHR:

Well, until Senator Savickas explained it op the Floor

of the Senate I personally wasn't in favor of the bill

but after his explanation, some months back, I was per-

suaded to vote for it, .1 see hels leaving, I just

want to make sure that he's on his own bill.

#RESIDING OFFICER (SENATOR GPAHAMI:

Hebll be back. Senakor Partee.

SENATOR PARTEE:

I suppose this could be called love they neighbor

hour. It's very nice of Senator Mohr to attempt to move

with the bill of Senator Savickasf, that's very kind and

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thoughtful and I'm sure you have his cratitude but I

think perhaps he did not tell you that his opinion has changed

since he passed the bill based on a recognition of certain rather

basic facts. And, if you ,read the veto message you would

hqve come to know and understand that this bill is no

longer necessary. The fact of the matter is as the Governor

says in his veto messagd that b0th the EPA and the

Division of Waterways are now involved in similar planning

operations and the District can meet its committment to

the Federal Government kithout Ehis appropriaEion of the

state. so nothing will be lost to the taxpayers in that

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2. $172,000 on taxpayers who eventually are the people who

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4. Senator Savickas sought to accomplish will ân fact be .

5. accomplished without this money because of a planning .

6. in other areas. This Would be duplicative and I'm sure

7. you would not Want to have a duplicaEive effort particularly

8. .wàqn it cost $172,000. For that reason I am going to vote. . - . y'k-'fv .. (- ' ' '. , . p ,. ' : . ( .9 .' .' present. '

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ll. See, Sepator Savickas is back and he's going on fur- '

l2. lough. You can tell by looking. Senator Don Moore.

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14. . To very briefly close I can appreciate the very kind

l5. remarks of the distinguished Minority Leader. I sure

l6. don't want duplication either and I'm happy to hear that

l7. the EPA and another branch of State Government is getting

,18. involved in this particular plan. However the fact that

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20. three years has expended over $750,000 on this plan, I

2l. think if thére's any duplication itis the new areas that

22. the administration has seen fit to go into. I don't think

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b - ou might iay fiked or deprived of the $752,000 that's24. e y

25. been investedg I Ehink thak once we have embarked on a

26. program like we have :or the last several years and this

27. particular program I think we should continue on it. I

28. don't think We should aban/on it and say okay EPA or Waterc9. Management Resourees you go ahead and start another plan.

3c. I think this is a good bill Mr. President. . I think that

az the veto of the Governor should be overridden and I would

a2 respectfully request a favorable roll call.


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Senate is shall' SB 731 pass the veto of the Govprnor

to the conkrary notwithstanding. secretary will

call the roll.

ACTING SECRETARY (MR. WRIGHT):

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Latherow, McBroom, Mccarthyr Merritt, Mitchler, Howard.

Mohr, Don Moore, Netsch, Newhouse, Nimrod, Nudelmany

Ozinga, Palmer, Partee, Regner, Rock, Roe, Romano:


Sommer, Soper: Sours, Swinarski Vadalabene, Walker,r


PRESIDING OFFICER (SENATOR MOHR):

McBrpom, aye. Senator Partee. present. Senator

Welsh, present. Senator Daley, present. Senator

Kosinski, present. Senator Carroll, present. Welcome

back, Gèntlemen. On that question the yeas are 24.

The nays are 2, five voting present. SB 73l having

Taiied to receive the required three-fifth's vote is

declared lost. Senator Don Moore on SB 732.

SENATOR MOOREZ

Well, Mr. President, I was just amazed at that

last roll call. I thought sure such worthwhile piece

of legislation such as this that would assist the

Metropolitan Sanitary District ip the northeastern

part of the State of Illinois would have overwhelmingly

been.oobeen carried by the three-flfth's vote necessary.

. . .SB 732 and 1'11 give it a whirl for what it's worth.

PREàIDING OFFICER (SENATOR MOHR):

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That is the appropriation bill for. ..

PRESIDING OFPICER (SENATOR MOHR):

You want to try...

SENATOR MOORE:

$172,500...and I would give it a whirl and see

what happens Mr. President.

. PRESIDING OFPICER (SENATOR MOHR):

The question is shall SB 732 pass the veto of the

Governor to the contrary notwithstanding. On that

the Secretary will call the roll.

ACTING SECRETARY (MR. WRIGHT): .Barkulis, Bell, Berning, Bruce, Buzbeer Carroll,

Chew, Clarke, Conolly, Course, Daley, Davidson: DonneWald,Dougherty, Fawell, Glass, Graham, Harber Hall, Kenneth

Hall, Hynes, Johns, Keygan, Knuepfer, Knuppel, Kosinski,

Latherowe McBroom, Mccarthy, Merritte Mitchler: Howard

Mohr, Don Moore, Netsch, Newhouse, Nimrod/ Nudelman,

Ozinga, Palmer, Partee, Regner, Rock, Roe, Romanoy

Saperstein, Savïckas: Schaffer, icholl, Shapïro, Smith,

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On that question the yeas were 23, the nays are 4 and

three vbting present. SB 732 having failed to receive the

required 3/51s gote is deelared lost. Wank to try again Senator?

senator Moore on SB 733. SB 733.

SENATOR DON MOORE:

Well, Mr. President, ites apparent that the remaining

four bills that were introduced at the request of the

Metropolitan Sanitary District of Greater Chicago are nok

going to receive enough votes from the other side of the

aisle: even though they do involve the west branch of the

Dupage River, the construction of retention reservoirs,

the Willow-Higgins watershed in Cook County, etc. So

I would ask that SB 733, 4, and 6 be stricken from

the Calendar.

PRESIDING OFFICER (SENFTOR MOHR):Well, senator weell leave that on the Calendar.

The clock is running out so there's no point in striking

them. Senate..-sB 833, senator Harris. Senator Harris.

SENATOR HARRIS:

Mr. preslaent, sB 833 is a bill that we dealt with

day last week, and upon the fequest of a verificationone

one of those members who was here in the building but could

not reach the Floor in time to sustain the 36 votes for

an override. The bill had to be put on postponed con-

sideration. Now this bill deals with an increased appropriation,

20% increase to the county fairs and the 4-H student program!

in Illinois. It involves a total of 4360,000. The presênt

budget anticipated back in March when it was locked up,

anticipates that there 'will be a balance of a million an

a half in the General in the Agricultural Premium Fund.

This would reduce th%t...I'm sorry. It anticipates a million

six-fifty. This would reduce khat amdunt by

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this $360,000. The fact that is that the handle at the

race track so far this year indicates that there will

probably be some four million dollars ïore than was

anticipated back in March aè the time the budget was locked

up. Clearly there is no great budgetary burden invclved

in providing this $360,000 out of the Agricultural Premium

Fund for the l02 county fairs and the 4-H student program .

We had the 36 votes the other day. I invite that same

group to join me again in passing SB 833 the veEo of the

Govûrnor to the contrary notwikhstanding.


Further discussion? Senator Sours.

SENATOR SOURS:

Just very briefly Mr. Presidentz Senators. This is

something all the county fairs want. I can't imagine

anyone even Cook County not supporting this.sothis bill

vith enthuliasm.


Further discussion? The question is shall SB 833 pass,

the veto of the Governor to the contrary notwithstanding.

On that the.sêcretary Will call the roll.



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Latherow, McBroom, Mucarthy, Merritt, Mitchler, Howard

Mohr, Don Moore, Netschy Newhouse, Nimrody Nudblman,

Ozinga, Palmer, Partee, Regnery Rock, Roe, Romano,

Saperstein. Savickas, Schaffer, Scholl, Shapiro, Smith,

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Request to call the absentees. On Ehat question the

yeas are thirty-three, the qays are none. Senator Sours.

SENATOR SOURS:

Could we have verification of that roll call?

PRESIDING'DEFICER (SENATOR MOHR):

You may if you ask for it Senator. Request for

verification. Will the Members please be in their seats?

The Secretary will call the roll.


Those voting in the affirmative: Bartulis, Bell,

Berning, Buzbee, Clarke, Conolly, Davidson, Fawell,

Glassy Graham, Harber Hallz Keegan, Knuepfer, Mnuppel,

Latherow, McBroom, Merritt, Mitchler, Howard Mohr,

Don Moore, Nimrod, Ozinga, Regner, Roe, Schafferz Scholl,

shapiro, Sommer' Soper, sours, Walker, Weaver, Mr. President.


Roll call has been verified. The yeas are thirty-

threez the nays are none. SB 833 having failed to receive

the required 3/5's vote is declared lost. ...at ease fora couple of minutes. There's a motion on the Secretary's

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Motion. I move to take frcn khe Table the

motion to reconslder the vote on'the passage of SB 8*66,

the veto of the Governor to the contrary notwithstanding.

Signed, William Harris.

PRESIDING OFFICER (SENATOR M0HR):

That motion is not debatable. The motion is not

debatable. Senator Partee.

SENATOR PARTEE:'

Would khe Secretary tell me what was the motion after

the announeement of the passaqe of the bill? There was a

motïon made by Senator Palmer, seconded by Senator Kosinski.

There's been a motion made to reconsider and the .motion vas

Tabled. We cannot, reconsider it under those circumstances.

PRESIDING OFFICER (SENATOR MODR):

That motion was Tabled and thig motion reads to

take from the Table. So the motion is in order, khe Chair

Will rule it's not debatable. Senator Partee.

SENATOR PARTEE:

That was several hours ago, may I inquire if the bill

is still ih the possession of the Senate and if so why.

PRESIDTNG OFFTCER (SENATOR MOHR)

It still is in the possession and T can only assume

that the Secretury hés been busy out here and that's why

it hasnlt left the Chamber, I...don't know that khey run

them right over to th= House after they pass, Senator.

Al1...a1l... There's been a requ/st for a roll call, the

secretary will call the roll. Senator Partee.

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make a bill has been Tabled you make a motlon now

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must be a 'suspension of the rules to perform that act,

which requires as you know 36 votes.

PRESIDING OFPICER (ZENATOR MOHR)

Zt still takes 30 votes Senakor to suspbnd the rules

and it takes 30 votes also to take from the Table. There's

.. othe motion to take from the Table is in order. Thbre's

been a request for the roll call and the Secretary will

call khe roll.

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Bartulis, Bell, Berninq...

PRESIDING OFPICER (SENFTOR MOHR):

We are on roll call Gentlemen: we'll ask that you be

in your seats so we...qet through with this motiop.

SECRETARY:

Bruce, Buzbee, Carroll, Chew, Clarke, Conolly, Course,

Daley, Davidson, Donnewald, Dougherty, Eawell, Glass,

Graham, Harber Hall: Kenneth Hall, Hynes: Johns, Keegan,

Knuepferg Knuppel, Kosinskï, Latherow, McBroom, Mccarthy,

Merritt, Mïtchler, Howard Mohr, Don Moore, Netsch,

Newhoue, Nimrod, Nudelman, Ozingaz Palmere Partee, Regner,

Rock, Roe, Romano, Saperstein, Savickas, Schaffer, Scholl,

Shapiro, Smith, Sommer, Soper, Sours, Swinarski, Vadalabene,

Walker, Weaver, Welsh, Wooten, Mr. President.


Senator Conolly. Por What purpose doès Senator Conolly

rise? On that questian the yeas are 30 the nays are l8.

The motion to take from the Table prevails. Request to

çall for verification. Members please be in their seatsy

Clerk will call the roll.

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PRZSIDING OFFICER (SENATOR MOHR):

Roll call has been verified. Senator Conolly.

SENATOR CONOLLY:

Havinq voted on the prevailing side I move that we

reconsider the vote by which 833 was...8...866. Which

was removed from the Table be reconsidered. And I request

roll call.


Senator Rock, hold your motion a minute, Senakor

Conolly. Senator Rock.

SENATOR ROCK:

Parliamentary inquiry, Mr. Preyident. If it took

36 votes in the first instance would it not then take 36

to reconsider that voke?


The..athe motion was to take frcm the Table, Senator

and we...wê... senator Nock.

SENATOR ROCK:

No, I'm addressing myself sir to Senator Conolly's

motion to recohside/. If tiis Body acts in the required

amount which.is 36, it seems to me to undo that the same

amount would be requlred.


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EENATOR EOPER:

Now, Gentlemen, Mr. President, Gentlemen, Ladies of

the Senate, youdll remember on the Constikutional question

Where it took 36 votes to put that on the ballot, al1 it

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same situition. This takes 30 vokes Eo consider khe vote by

which that was passed, and that's what welre goinq to do.

PRESIDING OFFICER (SENATOR MOHRI:'

Senator Partee.

SENATOR PARTEC:

Nowy' the question which was raised by senakor Rock

was not just a figment of his imagination, it is a eon-

stiEutional... No, Soper's position. The bill was kaken

by vote a moment' ago from the Table. That required 30 votes.

The bill as passed being an override required 36 votes.

The motion which has now been made by Senator Conolly

will require constitutionally 36 votes. Nowy just take a

look if you want to at your Constitution. I'm looking at,

on page 53, Section 2 of Article XIV. It has to kake

the same numher of votes to undo any action as it took to

do it.

PRESIDING OEFICER (SENATOR MOHR):

The Chair will rule that it takes a simple majority

on that motion. Senator...Rock.

SENATOR ROCK:

W 11 '1 think . .in all seriousness we had best reallye . .

stop and consider what we are doing here. What we are

saying is that this Body can act constïtutionally and then

a lesser number' can u'ndo thai act. And I would on

that basis Mr. President appeal the rule of the' Chair,

because anythïng we pass with 36 votese to meet the

requirements of the Constituticn, I submit to you cannot

be undone by a mere 30 votes.

PRESTDING OFFICER (SENATOR MOHR):

President Harris.

SENATOR HARRIS:

Mr. President, I just point out that whqt we are

doing here is recopgidering. There's an appropriate quide-

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line and a perjectly valid constitutional direcEive that

to reconsider .a constitutional amendment requires a majority

of the members elected. To place a constitutional amend-

ment on the ballot requires 3/51s, khen the senate reconsiders

a simple majority is all that's nécessary. We are moving on

that question and that question alone at this point. And

think the Chairss ruling that it requires a majority of the

members elected to reconsider is valid, supported by precedents

and language of the Constitution.

SENATOR ROCKI

. . .1 would renew my...motion to appeal from the ruling

of the Chair and point out that under Article XIV, Section 2

there is a specific provision which allows a majority towithdraw from a constitutional-..propoped constitutional

referendum that is specifically provided for. Here we are'.

talking about final passage of a piece'of legislation which

in order to pass requires a'3/5's vote. And, to set a pre-

cedent where we'can undo that by a simple majority,

suggest is in error and I would appeal the ruling of the

Chair.


Senator Rock's motion is to appeal the ruling of the

Chair, ando..the Secretary will call the roll. The.- this

ruling to.-.ko overrule the Chair would take 3/56s of the

Senators elected to vote. Senator Rock.

SENATOR ROCK:

Just so the record is perfectly clear' as has been

many times said, I understand that under those.p.the rule

that allows a Member of this Senate to appeal from the

ruling of khe Chairl it should also...the record should

also reflect that that moving Senator was jdined by two

ofher Senators. So, 1et the record refleet that there are

at least two if not more 'members wishing to join in that

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motion, Senator Partee, Senator Netsch, Senator Buzbee...


You have...sufficient number looks like, Senator.

29 from vhere I sit. Secretary will call the roll. The .. .

the question is shall the rule...ruling of the Chair be

sustained. Those voking with the Chair vote aye, those voting

with Senator Rock, Senator Partee, vote no. Secretary will

call the roll.

SECRETARY:

Bartulis, carroll,


Douqherty, Fawell, Glass, Graham, Harber Hall, Kenneth

Hall, Hynese Johns, Meegan, Knuepfer, Knuppel, Kosinski,

Latherow, McBroom, Mccarthy, Merritt, Mitchler, Howard


.'Ozinga: Palmer, 'Partee', Regner, Rock, Rce, Romano,

Sapersteinw..xsavièkasy Schaffer, Scholl, Shapiro, Smith,

sommer. soper, soû-rs. swinarski, vadalabene. Walker,



Mitchler, aye. On that question the yeas are 30,

the nays are 28, the ruling of the Chair is sustained.

.. .Carroll.

SENATOR CARROLL:

Mr. President, I believe that our rules are silent

on Whether or not a Rotion to reconsider once having been

Tabled can once again be teconsidered. I don't believe

there's any specific reference in our rules to that

subject in which case our rules give us Ehe direckive

that we must use Robert's Rules of Order, and Robert's

Rules of Order on pagn 270 of the newly revised Rdition

under which we operate indicates that a motion to

reconsider, cannot be reconsidered twice unless it was

materially amended during its first reconsideration. That

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1. not being the instance under our rules and therefore under .

1. Robert's Rules you cannot reconsider the vote on a.o.on

klcular measure twice. '2. any par

4. PRESIDING OFFICER (SENATOR MOHR): .

5. .w .carroll's...senakor Carroll's stakement with

6. reqard to the Robert's Rules of Order in this instance

7. is, is correct. Senator Conolly's mokion is out of order.

8. The..oquestion before the Body now is senator Palmer's .

9. motion to reconsider. .. .Harri#.

l0. SENATOR HARRIS:

1l. Mr. President, if the Members will just be a little

l2. patient here. We are operating under the rules, and I

l3. would point out tha: the motion that is before us now following

14. the ruling of the Chair being sustained is this - I do not

l5. recall who made the Tabling motion of Senator Palmer's

l6. motion to reeonsider, but that Tabling motion was taken

l7. from the Table and the point in procedure that we are under

18. now is Senator Palmer's motion to reconsider. That is

l9. before the Body. It's perfectly clear under our rules that

20. the Tabling motion that did carry by voiee vote.was taken

2l. from the Table by record vote, and senator Palmer's motion

22. to reconsider is in fack before us. In the light of that,

23 ' Senator Carrollls inquiry does not operate. It would operate* .

24. in relation to a consideration of Senator Conollyls motïon,25. to reconsider but that's not khe point of legislative con-

26. sideration that is before us. And I would point out that

27. the motion befoze us is armotion that has not been con-

2:. sidered but has been Tabled at one point in our activities

29. here today. And that motion has been taken from the Table

3c. and is in fact now beêore us, and on that motion, Senator

31 Palmer's motion to reconsider I reluest a roll call.

32. PRESIDING OFFICER (SENATOR MOI1R): .

33 That is the question before the Body. Senator Carroll. . !

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SENATOR CARROLL:

Once again, Mr. President, in all..odue respect to

the elected President of this Body, I refer'you to Rule 36

on page 270 of Robertls which specifically says khat

first of all it takes unanïmous consent to take this'kind of

action and secondly even then cannot be done unless it...there

has been a material amendment since the first reconsideration

of the same bill. Senator Palmer himself could not make the

motion again unless there has been some material amendment

since the first reconsideration of that bill. That is not

the case. refer you again to Robert's Number 36 on page

270: speciflcally referred to and specifically applicable to

this situation.


The Chair Will rule that Robert's Rules do not apply.

Senator Conolly's motion was also out of order. The

question before the Body is Senator Palmer's motion to

reconsider and on that question the Secretary will call

the roll.

SECRXTARY:'

. ..Bartulis, Bell, Berning, Bruce...


Senator, we are'on roll call.

SECRETARY:

Buzbeey Carrcll, Chew, Clarke, Conolly, Caurse,

Daley, Davldson: Donnewald, Douqherty? Fawell, Glass, Grah am,

Harber HalAy Kenneth Hally Hynes, Johns, Keegane Knuepfere

Knuppel. Kosinski, LatheroW, McBroom, Kccarthy, Nerritt,

Mitehler? Howard Mohr? Don Moore, Netsch, Newhousee Nimrode

Nudelman, Ozinga, Palmer...

PRESIDING OFFICER (SENATOR MOHRi:Eenatpr Palmer.

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1 . SENATOR PM MER: '

2. This is during roll call... .

3. PRESIDING OFFICER (SENATOR MOHR):

4. We are on...we are on roll call.

5. SENATOR PALME R:

6. This is during roll callr and this is my motion and

7. I move that this motion be put on poskponed consideration.


9. That...that motion is... Itls out of order, we are on

10. roll call and 1... We are on roll call. '

l1. SECRETARY:

l2. Palmer, Partee, ...

l3. PRESIDING OFFICER (SENATOR MOHR): '

l4. We are on roll call, Gentlemen. Senator Partee.

l5. SENATOR PARTEE:

16. I recognize wedre on roll call but I have a parliamentary'

l7. inquiry in ordvr to know how to 'intelligently vote. And

l8. the parliamentary..othe parliamentary inquiry is, can a

l9. member postpone his own motion. Itls his motion.

20. PRESIDING OFFICER (sEuAToR MoHR): '

2l. Yes, senator he can. However, once a motion has been

22. stated by the President or read by the Secretary. . .

23. SENATOR PARTEE: .

2(. Well: Mr. President, the reason I asked the question, Ilm

25. looking at page 16 of the rules that says during a roll call

26. no motion, except a motion to postpone, shall bè in order.

27. That's Rule 42.

28. PRESIDING OFEICER (SENATOR MOHR):

29. We arq...welll continue w1th the roll call, and 1'11

30. explain the ruling when we finish. '

3l. SECRETARY:

32. Reqner, Rock, Roe, Romano, Saperstein, Savickas: 133. Schaffer, Scholl, Shapiro, smith, Sommer, Soper, Sours: . 1

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i1. swinarski, Vadalabenee Walker, Weaver, Welsh, Wooten, I

2. Mr. President. ,


4. Knuppel, no. senate... Question the yeàs are 30,

5. the nays are ll. The mokion..-ko reeonsider prevails.

6. Now, Senator Palmer, I will read you the rule. Once a

7. motion is stated by the President or read by the Secretary

8. it shall be deemed ln the pcssession of the Senate, but may

9. be withdrawn at any time by unanimous consent of khe Senate

l0. before the decision. ...unaninous consent. Ncw the motion 1ll. before the Senake,o..partee.

Il2. SENATOR PARTEE:

Il3. It does nok escape my notice that ycu have the gavel. I

14. It does not escape my notice that you have a course of I' does not bother ll5. action on whach you are hell-bent. That

Il6. me. What does bother me is theo.oroughushod, running overI

17 h les of this Senate. Th'is is a country of laws and not. t e ru

l8. of men. And I re'spect the rules of this Senate, and I expected I

. Il9. the rules to be followed here. Senator Palmer is a MemberI

20. of this senate like everyone and he's trying to get 1

2l. attention and when he's called upon or listened to, he I22. didn't even have the courtesy of having the amplification I

I23. of his microphone. I think it's a terrible kind of thing

I24. that you're doing. It's tyrannical. Power, I suppose j25. breeds power. I've heard that expression around here? too',

26. and I think it's unfortunate.

27. PRESIDING OFEICER (SENATOR MOHR): I28. We've a1l seen that from time to time, senator. I

I29. would agree. The question before the Senate now is theI

30. motion to override the Governor's veto on sB 866. Eurther

3l. discussion. secretary... The question is shall SB 866 I

32. pass. The voto of the Governor to the contrary notWith- '

33. standing. On that the se'cretary will call the roll.

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2. Bartulis, Belly Berning, Bruce, Buzbee, Carroll, l,

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j3. Chew, Clarke, Conolly, Course, Daleyy Davidsonp Donnevald,@ . (

4. Dougherty, Fawell, Glass,'Graham, Harber Hall, Kenneth 15. Hallw Hynes, Johns, Keegan: Knuepfer: Knuppelr Kosinski, . I

. I6. Latherowj McBroon, Mccarkhy, Merrikt, Mitchler, Howard I7. Mohr

, Don Moore, Netsch: Newhcuser Nimrod, Nudelman, I

g ' I. Ozinga, Palmer, Partee, Regner, Roek, Roe, Romano,h9. Saperstein, Savickas, Schaffer, Scholl, Shapiro, Smith: I

l0. sommer, soper, sours, swinarski, vadalabene, Walker, !

I. ll. . Weaver, Welsh, Wooten, Mr. President..

Il2. PRESIDING OFPICER (SENATOR MOHR):

!l3. On that question the yeas are 27, the nays are 3

, . 4l4. 6 voting present. SB 866 having failed to receive the I

I15. required 3/5's vote ls declared lost. Senator Don Moore.' I

l6. SENATOR DON MOORE: . j

I7. Just on a point of personal privilege Mr. President, hI.1:. I for one want to compliment the Chair for handling the 't

l9. discussions that went on here for the last 20 or 25 'I

20. minutes relative to this bill. I have followed his rulings (2l. ln detaii. I think that he has followed the ruies as

I22. they have been adopted by this Senate. I think that the I

23. rules of this Senate apply to all of us. It's just I-

fortunate thaf the s'hoe is 'on the other foot in this 124. un. I25

. particular case. But I think the President did an- l

26. excellent job in making his decisions. He did follow

j27. the rules and I for one want to compliment him.28. PRESIDING OFFICER (SENATOR MOHRI:

29. Well, Senator I v/ant to thank you. But I. . .I've I. . I

always tried to'z'be fair. And I learned after sikking in I30. '

j3l. this Bcdy under senator, or our former Governor Sam Shapiro

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32. and especially under Lieutenant Governor Paul Simon thatls 1a Ehe only gay to rule. So I did have good teaching. '3 .

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Any other Senators have a bill that they'd like to

present bqfore the Body? ...item or the business of item vetoes.

. ..The item or the business of, Item Vetoes. ..gReductions:

Senator Walker. Did you have one. that eyou wanted to call senakor?

SENATOR WALKER:

Yesr I think the Clerk has the motion on the desk.


The Secrekary will read the motion, please.

SECRETARY:

I move...


Senator Palmerz youlll be asking questions in a few

minutes. Now, may we have your attention?

SECRETARY:

move that Items on page lines 14# 15 and l7;

page 2, lines 5, l8, 19, 2l, 3lz 32 and 34 of SB 443 be

restored. The Item Reductions of the Governor to the

contrary notwithstanding, signed Senator Walker.

PRESIDING OPPICER (SENATOR MOHR):

Senator Walker.

SENATOR WALKER:

Thank youe Mr. Presidenke Ladies and Genklemen of the

Senate. You have these Item Reductions on your desks. They

restore certain items cut on pages l and 2 at Chicago State Univer-

sityz Governor's State Universiky, Northeastern Illinoisz the

other side that's in your district, not mine, and Western

Illinois University. These only restore services or pers8nal

services, contractural serviees and commodities at these four

universitie's. The total is only a little ovet 2 million dollars.

The Governor in his State of the State Address and also in his

Budqet Address stated that he was going to do more for

higher ed and thase are very small restorations. I would

appreciate a favorable vote.

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1. Any furkher diseussion? The question is shall the

2. Items on page 1, line 14, 15 and on...l7. And on page 2,

3. lines 5, l8, l9, 21,'31, 23, and 3'4 of SB 443 be restored .

4. The Item Reduction of the Governor to the conkrary not-

5. withstanding.. The Secretary wâll call the roll.

6 '' SECRETARY :.

7 . Bartulis , Bell , Berning : Bruce l Buzbee , Carroll ,

8 . Chew , Clarke , Conolly l Course , Daley, Davidson , Donnewald ,

9 . Dougherty , Fawell', Glass , Graham, Harber Hall, Kenneth

10 . Hall , Hynes # Johns , Keegan # Knuepf er # Knuppel , Kosinski ,

11 . Latherow, McBroom, Mccarthy , Merritft , Mitchler , Howard

12. Mohr, Don Moore, Neksch, Newhousez Nimrodr Nudelmanr

l3. Ozinga, Palmer, Partee, Regner, Rock, Roe, Romanoy.

l4. saperstein, Savickas, schaffer, Scholl, Shapiro, Smith:

l5. sommer, soper, sours, swinarski, Madalabene, Walker,

16. Weaver, Welsh Wooten, Mr. President .

l7. PRESIDING OFFICER (SENATOR MOHR):.18. Request to call the absentees.

19. SECRETARY: '

20. Buzbee, Carroll, Chew, Course, Daley, Donnewald, Dougherty,

2l. Glass, Kenneth Hall, Hynes, Johns, Keegan, Knuppel, Kosinski,

22. Mccarthy, Netseh, Newhouse, Nudelman, Palmer, Regner, Nocky

23. Romano, Sapersteiny Savickas, smithp Swinarski, Vadalabene,

j4 Welsh, wooten. ' ' '

25. PRESIDING OFFICER (SENATOR MOHR): '

26. Senator Glass, votes aye. On that question the

27. yeas are twenty-eight, the nays are two, two..otwo voting

28. Present. pg.are reduced according to the Governorlg Rqduction

29. Vetc. ...

20. SENATOR NEWHOUSE:

3z. Thank you, Mr. President, Senators, you're asking for

32. any other motions on Item Vetoes?

a3. PRESIDING OFPICER (SENATOR MOHR):

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1. That would be in order: Senak3r.


. 3. In that case Senator L have a motion on SB 8j9,

4. which is to, a motion thaE the...Governor's veto on

5. SB 899 be overridden, the Governor's decision Eo :he , '

6. conkrary 'notwithstandinq. Now, Senators that bill is

7. a..vrepresenhs the veto of...

8. PRESIDING OFFICER (SENATOR MOHR):' 9. .o.senator kewhouse, has thak been filed with the

10. secretary?

' 1l. SENATOR NEWHOUSE:

l2. Yese it has senator. 899. '

13. PRESIDING OFFICER (SENATOR MOHRIZ ' ' . .

14. Youdre asking for an Item Reduction?

15. SENATOR NEWHOUSE:'16 The restoration of an rtem Reductlon.

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17 PRESIDING OFFICER (SENATOR MOHR):'

l8. The restoration of an Item Reduction. 1)l9. SENATOR NEWHOUSE:

20. That's correct.

2l. PRESIDING OFFICER (SENATOR MOHR):

22. On SB 899. Would you hold that for jusk a minute and

23. they..tthey haven't been able to find ik, and maybe you* . .

24. can give them another one. We'll go to Senator Glass yeu

25. have a motioh that the Secretary has? '

26. SENATOR GLASS:' 27. Yese Mr. Presldent, I have a mokion on :he secretary's

a8. Desk on SB 1157. And it's a motion to overrfde an Item 129. Vet: of the Governor.

3c. PRESIDING OFFICER (SENATOR MOHR): '

31 Would you read the page and line on that please?

32. Any other Senators wishing to make a motion, I...if youdll1

33 be kind enough to come up and see that the seeretary has

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2 . SENATOR NEWHOUSE : '

3. 1157. '

4. PRESIDING OFFICER (SENATQR MOHR):' 5. The secretary has 1157.

6 '' SECRETARY :

7. I move that the Item on page 4 , lines 21 through 25

B. inclusive of SB 1157 Do Pass, the Item Veto of the Governor

9. to the contrary, notwithstanding. Signed, Senator Glass.

l0. PRESIDING OFFICER (SENATOR MOHR): '

l1. senakor Glass.

l2. SENATOR GLAss:

l3. Thank you, Mr. President. This motion seeks to

14. restore 1.75 million dollars to the Sup'erlntendent of

15. Public Instrockion's appropriation bill. The entfre

l6. bill was under the sponsorship of Senator Hynes. To

17. give you the background of this Mction, the funds are

18. for the purpose of funding experiments and decentralized

l9. school government. At the lask Session of the Legislature...

20. the session before last, two sessions ago under the

2l. chairmanship of then Representative Jim Peterson, the Urban

22. Education Commission was created. And it passed

23. leqislation for experiments and decentralized school

24. governance. That ise an opportunity for the urban

25. school districts and therefs some eight of them by

26. definiEion in Ehe bill, to give autonomy to local '

27. communities, local boards of education which would be

28. elected and allow them to qovern Ehe schools under

29. specific rules and guidelines. At the last session

30. of the Legislature, Representative Jerry Bradley and

3l. I kere the co-chairman of that commissiop. A number

32. of the Members of the Senate also were on Ehe Commission.

33. We spent a good deal of time with the Director of-..urban .

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for these experiments. There are four school districts

in the Gtate that ard now prepared to go ahead with the

experiment. The funding was cut in the Senate and the

House from some 7 million down to 1.75 million dollars.

So, this is grant money to enable these districts to

create these experiments. And I would urge your

support of this override and point out to you the reason

I went khrough the background of this motion was simply

to show you that there's been a great deal of groundwork,

time of Legislatorsy money expended in the preparation

for these experiments. Why the Governor saw fit to veto

this one item out of his budget: I don't know but it

dces mean in effect that there will have been a good deal'of

money and work that will have gone for naught, unless

this veto can be overridden. As I say, there are a number'

of members that are of the Senate that are on the

Commission. This is a 1.75 million dollar override

and I would urge your support.'


Any further discussion? The question is shall the

item on page 4, lines 21 through 25 of SB 1157 pass.

The Item Veto of the Governor to the coptrary notwith-

standing. On that question *he Secketary will'call the

roll.

SECRETARY:

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Chew, Clarkez Conolly: Caursew Daley, Davidson, Donnewald,

Dougherty, Fawell, Glass, Graham' Harber Hall, Kenneth

Hall, Hynesp Johns, Keegan, Knuepfer, Knuppely Kosinskiz

Latherow, McBroom, Mccarthy, Merritty Mitchler, Howard

Mohr: 1pn Moore, Netsch, Newhouse, Nimrod, Nudelnan,


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5. On that question the yeas are twenty-five, the nays

6. are none. The Item on page 4, lines 21 through 25 of '

7. SB 1157 iaving failed ko receive the required 3/56s vote

8. is declared lost. Senator Newhouse, SB 899.


l0. Parliamentary inquiry, Mr. Chairman, did I understand

11. you to say that a line item veto requires 36 votes for' 12. restoration?

l3. PRESIDING OFFICER (SENATOR MOHR):

l4. That is correct, 3/51s vote. Your's is a reduction...


l6. That's right. .

17. 'PRESIDING OFFICER (SENATOR MOHR): '

18. ...Restoration. '


20. Thank you, Mr. President.

21. PRESTDING OFFICER (SENATOR MOHR):

22. 30 votes to restore.


2J. Thank you. Mr. President, Senatorse my motion is

25. that 15 million dollars be restored as a Line Item Re-

26 duction Veto in SB 899, the Governorls veto to the .

27. contrary notwithstanding, and this is the background

28 of the bill brieflv. This is a bill that was proposed

29 by Senator Mohr in this Body. Tn khe course of itS

aô passage it was deemed that in view of the inflation that

31 had hit upon every level and in the light'of the faeE

32 that there were other cost of living increases in other

a areas including State employees, that we would add ko the3 .

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appropriation for public aid a 3.9 increase for cost of

living. This bill passed outoaothis Body out of the

House and was reducqd by the Governor's pen. Now just

a couple of words abouk this bill because whqt I1m proposinq. . . uyjxye .. &(-

be done is not simply 'ra humane action and I would purpose

it if iè were only that, but it has a very practical

application. As many of you know, if anybody's listening,

that at about the time that this bill was passed we saw

a tremendous increase in the inflationary spiral. For example:

the price of chicken which is the least most expensive

meak in my districtz went from about 39 cents to $1.19. It has

since stabilized at a litkle over 70 cents which means that

the price of that inexpensive item has doubled. As a

consequence of that, some very elderly people in my district

and I underskand elsewhere, have turned to theft as a way

of life as a matter of keeping themselves together from

the standpoint of nourishment. Now, I think al1 of us

know that the cold weakher is about to descend upon us

and when that happens some elderly people and some people

with families are going to hake to make a decision# and

that decisipn is going to be whether they pay the rent or

whether they eat. In most cases, they will opt to eaE at

the risk of being placed upon the street. I reqret that

the bill, that khe mpkion has to be presented in an

atmosphere that I Ehink is simply not conducive to the

passage of any legislation but I would urge you to consider

very carefully Ehis motion and would solicit your support.

PRESIDING OFPICER (SENATOR MORH):

Senator Bartulis.

SENATOR DARTULIS;

Thank you, Mr. Presldent and Members of the senate.

Not very often do I arise and support the Governor. I

think this is the first time. But scnke time ago I received

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a note from the Departmenk which al1 of you know that th:

Department of Public Aid went on flat grant, October

And to do this the Department met the requirements and

received permission from the Governor to spepd at the

rate of 3.l million dollars per month more, than had

been appropriated for AFDC? effective with implementation

of the consolidation of the standard plan on...on the

first of October. Now, this permission was granted so

the fncreases in monthly grants could be given to mostv..most

APDC families. And the smallest possible number of families

would have their grants cut in averaging process. Now

again it also was determined that the 3.9% cost of living

increase granted in september would not have Ehe positive

impact for recipients over a period of time. That could

be achieved by careful implementation of a consolidated

standard. Now the 3.9% increase under the old system,

would have given each AECD only $1.4'0 a month more. Now,

most families received a substantial higher increase with

adoption of the consolidated plan. Now, cost of living

fncreases granted after the consolidation has been fully

implemented and that is, it will be up to six an nine months

and therefore I would have ko uphold khe Governor's veto.


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SENATOR NETSCH:

Mr. Presidentybut the point is senator Bartulis that.

some of those who went under Ehe flat grant program will indeed

be cut. lt. seems to Me that vith the cost of .living as

high as it is and the facf that public aid' involves a

very small amount of money for any family to live on

under the best of circdmstances, that anyéhing that we

can do to alleviate that hardship is workh doing. If

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the budget it would enable us ko prevent about 50%

f those who are going t:o be cut un' der the shif t koo

the f lat grant program to be restored to at least what

they were receiving before. Ik seems to me that Ehat is

a valid and a humane thinY to do.

PRESIDING OEFICER (SENATOR MOHR):

Senâtor Don Moore.

SENATOR DON MOORE:

I I don't want to really gek into a discussion of

the flat grant program: Mr. President, but I believe that

after October lst when the flat grant program did go into

effect, approximately 80% of our AFDC recipients received

=ore, 20% received the same or less. That 20% was usually

in the small family of a mother'and one child, soMeone

who through day care and so forth would be able to get a

job and employment and survive a 1ot easier than a...a

larger family. I originally did not oppose thfs amendmenk

when it came over from *he House: in fact, I voted for it.

But, in view of the fact that the Governor has released to

the Department 3.1 million dollars a month for the balanee

of this fiscal year in order to, let's say not hurt those

that get less welfare than they were getting before; in

view of the further fact khat it is anticipated as of this

point that we will be faced with a deficit in the Department

of Public Aid, of a minimum of 60 million dollars, I don't

think itês fiir to saddle the Governor with anoàher 15

million at this particular time. So, it's for these reasons

that I regrrtfully have to oppose the Senator's motion and

I hope everyone will sustain the Governor'a veto on this

matter.


Further...further discussion? Senator NeWhouse may

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SENATOR NEWHOUSE:.

Yes, Ehank you, Mr. President. Ied just like to go back

to paragraph 2 of kh1 dissertakion that was read fn which

it was stated that a 3.9% increase would amount to $1.50

a month, and if my arikhmekic is correct that would

mean that the grants are too low for people to even pay

khe rent. 3.9% of about $50.00 is about a dollar and a

half, I do believe. So that, I1m a little...skartled by

that...that bit of arithmekic and I just donft know as to

what extent the remainder of the conversation that we

received makes a great deal of sense. Now, if wedre

talking about 20% of the people receiving the same or less,

then it seems to me that what the Senator said is we're

simply trying to hold the line. The bill...the restoration

that we're attempting to make here ïsn't intended to hold

khe line ak all, it's meant to give those people who are'presently trying to live in these inflated circumstances

enough money to attempt to hold their line against the

inflationary spiral, not against the dollars that khey

reeeived yesterday. Now, I don't want to be repetitious

and...I think that, you know weêve reached the stage now

where everything is going to be pretty political but the

facts of life are that.o.if I can be permitted to just wind

up...that we're talking..oWedre talking about some pretty

restrieted options. My furnace happened to go out on

saturday, :he boiler broke. It was out all day Sunday.

It's not happened to me before that my house was cold

when there was nothing that I could do about it. 1111

tell you thae a1l day Eunday all I Ehought aboût Was

heat. There Will be an awful lot of people in that circumstance

in this fall and winter. I think we have the opporEunity

to help them'now. I.would suggest that this Bodé is aboutthe business of, I would assume of helping people who eannot

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themselves. And ihat's What this...this...that is what

this motion is all about. I would urge your support.

PRESIDIUG OFFICER (SENATO R MOiIR):

The Chair has a question Senator. Do you have

oil or gas heat?

SENATOR NEWHOUSE:

had oil heat.

PRESIDING OFFICER ( SENATOR MOI!R) :

You had oil heat. The reason that asked...

SENATO R NEWHOUSE:

No offense Senator.


The reason I asked I'd âike to take just a moment tointraduce to the Body the fellow that runs my business while

I1m down here and I think helll be real happy to go back

home. I'd like to intxoduce up in the gallery, Don

SEan: and his wife Irene a;d their two children. stand

and be recognized. He's the fellow...senator, he's the

fellow khak makes sure our customers are warm on Saturdays

and Sundays. Ok. This will take 30 votes. Thç question

is shall the item on page 3, line 5...7, 9 and 12 of SB

899 'be restored, Item Reduction of the Governor to

the contrary notwithskanding. On that the Secretary will

call the roll.

SECRETARY :


Chew: Clarkey Conolly, Cqurse, Daley, Davidson, Donnewald,

Doughertyy Fawell, Glass, Graham, Harber Hall, Kenneth


Latherow, McBroom, Mzcabrthy , Merritt, Mitchler, Howard

Mohr, Don Mo?re, Netsch, Newhouse, Nimrod, Nudelman,

Ozxnga? Palmer, Partee, Regnerf Rock, Roez Romano,

f Ras Schaffer, Scholl' Shapiroe Smith,Saperstefn, Sav c , ,

ACTING SECRETARY:

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1. sommer, soper, sours, swinarski, Vadalabene, Walker, I

2. Weaver, Welsh, Wooken, Mr. President.

3. PRESIDING OFPICER (SEMATOR MOHR): '

4. Senator Newhouse. Request to call the absentees.

5. ACTING SECRETARY (MR. WRIGHT):

6. Berning, Clarke, Conolly, Course, Davidson, '

7 Fawell, Glass, Graham, Knuppel, Latherow, MeBroom, Mccarthy, lI

8. Merritt, HoWard Mohr, Nimrod, Ozinga, Regner, Savickas, j

9. Schaffer, Scholl, .shapiro, Swinarski, Walker, Mr. President. ' II1

0. PRESIDING OFFICER (SENATOR MOHR): I

1l. Merritt, present. Soper is also present. On I' j12

. that question the yeas are 25. The nays are l2, threeI

13. voting present. The items on page 3, lines 7, 9 aqd j

14. 12 of SB 999 having failed to receive the required majority II

l5. vote of the Senators elected is declared losto.ois declared I

16. reduced. m..shapiro, SB 494. . II17. SECRETARY:

' l8. I move that the items on page 2, lines 24 throuqh

l9. 3l; Page 5, lines 16 through 24 of SB 494 be resEored, '. I20

. the Item Reduckions of the Governor to the contrary not-

2l. withstanding-'

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23. senator shapiro. .1' 4 SENATOR sHApIRo: ' ' '2 .

25. Mr. President, Ladies and Gentlemen of 'the Senatee

26. these are appropriations that have to do with capital 127. development on the S...ISU campus and...concern them- I

28. selves with some roof repairs fcr Hortcn Field House

29. and Milner Library, and demolition of the Central Echool

30. and general landscaping both at Illinois fkgte Univêrsity.

And J would like to move now that the motion receive a I3l. I

J2. favorable vote, the Item Veto of the Governor to the

aa. contrary notWithstanding. I

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2. Further discussion? shall the items on page 2,

3. lines 24 through'3l; page 5, lines 16 through 24 of

4. SB 494 be restored, the Item Reductions of the Governor

s. to the contrary notwithstanding. The Secretary will

6. Call the roll.

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Bartulis, Bell, Berning, Bruee, Buzbee, Carrollz8. .

Chew, Clarke, Conolly, Coursee Daley, Davidson, Donnewald,9.

Dougherky, Fawell, Glass, Graham, Harber Hall, Kennethl0.

Hall, Hynes, Johns: Keegan, Knuepfer, Knuppelz Kosinski.,ll.

Latherow, McBroomy Mccarthy: Merritt, Mitchlerz Howardl2. .

Mohr, Don Moore, Netsch, Newhouse: Nimrod, Nudelmanr 1l3.

Ozinga, Palmer, Partee, Regner: Rock, Roe, Romano, jl4.Saperstein, Savickas, Schaffer, Scholl, Shapiro, Smithyl5

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Sommer, Sopere Sours, Swinarski, Vadalabene, Walker,l6.

Weaver, Welsh, Wooken, Mr. President. ' 'l7.

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1a Merritte aye. Graham, 'aye. Ozinga, aye. Pawell,

ao aye. Bell, aye. Latherow, aye. On that question the

z1 yeas are 26, the nays are three. The items on page 2, '

22 lines 24 through 3l; and page 5, lines 16 through 24

23 of SB 494 hdving failed to receive the required majority* - :

vote of Senators eleeked is declared reduced. Any other24.

Senators on.o.reductions? I'd like to call the25.

attention of the Senate that we have a distinguished26.

Member of the Executive branch wiEh us, our Attorney Generql27.

Bill scotk on the Floor. Genqral. ...697, Senator28. .

Shapiro. 69...699. Senator Shapiro. We'll stay on29.

SB 494 for consideration of an Item VêEo. o..secretary30.

Will read the motion. .3l.

SECRETARY: '32.

I move that the items on page 1, lines 13 through 2233.

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l of SB 494 Do Pasq', the Item Veto of the Governor to

2. the contrary notwithstanding.

3. PRESIDING OFPICEA (EENATOR MOHR):

4. Senator Shapiro.. '

5. SENATOR SHAPIRO: '

6. Mr. President, Ladies and Gentlemen of the Senate.

7. This Item Veto concerns itself with the deletion of

. 8. a project at ISU which would involve the establishment

9. of a fire alarm monitoring cable and then also a major

l0. remodeling job ai Northern Illinois University of Davis

1l. Hall. IE would be the second phase of a three phase project I

l2. and I would nov like to move that the..wlkem Veto of II

13. the Governorls be overridden, on this particular Item Veto. jIl4

. PRESIDING OFPICER (SENATOR MOHR):

15. Any furkher discussion? The question is shall the items

l6. on page 1, lines 13 through 22 of SB 494 pass, . I

17. khe Item Veto of the Governor ko the eontrary not- Il8. withstanding. The'secretary will call the roll.

1.l9. SECRETARY:

I20. Bartulis, Bell, Berning, Bruce, Buzbee, Carrolly .

2l. Chewe Clarke, Conolly, Course, Daley, Davidson, Donnewald,

1.22. Dougherty, Fawell, Glass, Graham, Harber Hall, Menneth1.

23. Hall: Hynes, Johns, Keegan. Enuepfer, Knuppelr Kosinski' II

24. Latherow, McBroom, Mccarthy, Merritk, Mitehler, Howard I

25. Mohre Don Moore, Netsch, NeWhouse, Nimrod: Nudelman, '

26. Ozinga, Palmer, Partee, Regner, Rock, Roe, Romano,

27. Saperstein. Savickas, Schaffer, Schollz Shapiroy Smith,ISommer Soper/sours, swinarski, Vadalabene, Walker, j28. '

Weaver, Welsh Wooten, Mr. Pr'esident.29. Ic PRESIDING OFFICER (SENATOR MOHR): I3 . .

31 Walker, aye. Weaver, aye. Scholl, aye. Netsch, no. I'

jaa. Sommer, aye. On that question th7 yeas are 28, ... On .

!qa that question the yeas are 28, the nays are 4,- the items. !

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to receive Ehe required 3/5's vote are declared lost.

Senator Weaver.

SENATOR WEAVER:

Mr. President, and Members. I have filed a motion

on SB 697. I Would move that the item veto by the

Governor in SB 697 on page lines 32 through 35 and

on page l6, line 5 and on page line 20 Do Pass, the

veto of the Governor to the contrary notwithstanding.

This is the addiiion to Turner Hall and the addition

to the Law School, along with a utility run to service

the Law Building Addition. These buildings have been

in the Capital Program for the State of Illinois for

several years. It's badly needed. Therqfs certainly

money in the cpnstruction funds to make these additions,

and I would move that we override the Governor's veto.

PRESIDING OFFICER (SENATOR MOHà):

Further discuésion? shall the items vetoed by the

Governor...senator Harris.

SENATOR HARRIS:

Well, I just want to briefly make this observation.If there is one thing that needs to be encouraged in

this day of increasing needs for foodstuffs, the world is

rapidly becoming short of food and this Agronomy

Building contained in this veto just doesnlt make sense. And

This Legislature has got an opportunity to addrezs itself

to What is one of the greatest challenges to man's skill

to react to man's needs. This...this building is one of

the top priority requirements, kf you please, that we have

an opportunity to address ourselves to. I would hope

that we would act responsibly and provide the funds for

this important building that the world so desperately

needs.

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Further dis'cusskon? The question is shall the item

on page l5, lines 32 to 35; page l6, line 5; and on page

l7, line 20 of SB 6é7 pass, the Item Veto of the Governor

to the contrary notwithstanding. On that question the


SECRETARY:


Chew, Clarke, Conolly, Course, Daley, Davidson, Donnewald ,



LaEherow, McBroom, Mccarthy, Merritt, Mitchler/ Howard




Sommer, Soper, Sours, Swinarski, Vadalabeùe, Walker,

Weaverz Wqlsh Wooten: Mr. President.

PRESIDING OFFICER (SENATOR l4OHR):

Weaver, aye. Schaffer, aye. On that question the yeas

are twenty-eight, the nays are four, the items on page l5,

lines 32 through 35; page line 5 and on page iine 20# Of

SB 697 having failed to receive the required 3/5:s vote are

declared lost. Senator Weaver.

SENATOR WEAVER:

Mr. President, Members of the Senate on Consideration

Postponed is SB 449. This is a restoration of 4.l million

dollars to the University of Illinois. Basic need for this

money is to maintain approximately 200 jobs at the Chicago

Circle Campus and I'd appreciate a favorable roll call.

PRESIDING OFFICER (XENATOR MOHR) :

We're on the order of ConsideraEion Postponed. SB 449.

. . .stand at ease for one minute. The question is shall the

ikems on page 1, line 11 and page 2, lines 5, 6 and 7 of SB 449

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be restored, thq Item Reduction of the Governor to the

contrary notwithstanding. On that queskion the Secretary

will call the roll.

SECRETARY:



Dougherty, Fawell, Glass: Graham, Harber Hall, Kenneth

Hall, Hynes,.lohns, Keegan, Fnuepfer, Knuppel, Kosinski,

batherow: McBroom, Mccarthy, Merritt, Mitchler, Howard

Mohr, Don Moore, Netsch, Newhouse, Nimrod , Nudelman,

Ozinga, Palmer, Partee, Regner, Rock, Roe, Romanoy

Saperstein, Savickasz Schaffer, Scholl, Shapiro, SmiEh,

Sommer, Soper, Sours: Swinarski, Vadalabene, Walker,



Johns, nc. Request to call Ehe absahtees.

SECRETARY:

Buzbee, Carroil, Chew, Course, Daley, Donnewald,

Dougherty, Kenneth Hall, Hynes, Keegan, Knuepfer: Knuppel,

Kosinski, Mccarthy, Newhouse, Nudelman, Palmer, Rock:

Romano, savickas, smith, swinarski, Vadalabene? Welsh.


On that question the yeas are twenty-nine, the

nays are four. The item on page 1, line 1l; page 2t

lines 5, 6 and 7 of SB 449 having failed to receive

the required majority vote of Senators elected Gre

declarod reauced. Two voting present on SB 449. senator

Shapiro on SB 699. Senator fhapiro. Senator Shapiro.

SENATOR SHAPIRO:

Mr. President and Ladies and Gentlemen of the Senate.

SB 699 is a substantive bill whièh amends the'

Junior College Act and raises the flat grant rate

from not less than 16.50 tö read not less than $18.00.

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The Governor in his Amendatory veto reduced that $18.00

figure to $t7.61. Now I think it behooves this General

Assembly to go along with these...recommendations of the

Board of Higher Education, which recommended that the flat

rate grant for junior colleges for this next fiscal year

of î74 at $18.00, And I do want to read you a few

quotes which substantiates the fact that it ls the Board

of Higher Education that .in this particular matter should

set the policy. Dr. Camero'n West who is the new Executive

Secretary of the Board stated the following on September

16th of this year. West says that the Higher Board should

be the independent authority for recommending budgets to

the Governor and the Legislature. He also hopes that by

getting all the cuts in a row before the Legislature begin's

khat, he can avoid having individual legislative commitEees

making their own pinches for more money. Well, Ladies

and Gentlemen of the Senate, this Senate did follow the

recommendations of the Board of Higher Education and approve

an $18.00 flat grant rate in SB 699. Furthermore, on June

2nd of this year Governor Daniel Walker When he spoke to

the Illinois Comnunity College Trustees Association basically

said the same thing. He was discdssing the matter with the

Trustees and said that I have been discusslng With Donald

Prince, Chairman of the Board of Highpr Education with

Cameron West and with oEhers how this money is to be

allocated. 1% is not by my provenance, I believe, for me

to Make that decision. I believe basically those decisions$

of allocation should be made by the Board of Higher

Education. That's why We have the 3oard. They have more

knowledge than I do and I have to agree.with that state-

ment. He states that I do have the right, the prerogative

and I beoieve the res/onsibility to make the priorityrecommendationc. And these are his pribrity recommendations -

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Health, education, the community college system in this

State and the scholarship needs of the students in this

State. Furthermore, Ladies and Gentlemen of this Senate,

I think that $18.00 comes closest to doing whav everyone

in this General Assembly knows has to be done for our

junior colleges and that is to move to 50% funding.

$19.00 would be mpch better, and there's another bill

that we will be calling later on this evening that

achieves that goal. But for this particular bill,

which says lessp..not less than $18.00, and which comes.

close to the $18.50 ''in the appropriation bill. I would

now like to move that SB 699 Do Pass, the specific

recommendations of the Governor to the contrary not-

withstanding.

PRESIDING OFFLCER (SENATOR MOHR):

Senator Bruce.

SENATOR BRUCE:

Yes, Mr. President, Members of the Body, I am the

sponsor of SB 697 and was...699 and curious having filed

a motion that we accept the specific recommendations of

the Governor why that was not called prior to Senator

Shapiro's motion.


Senator Shapiro made the request-..to call SB 699

and that's what We acted on.

SENATOR BRUCE:

Well, my understanding under the rules that when a

motion was filed the sponsor Would have the primary res-

ponsibility. That motion was filed, and I understand that

the spcnsor's motion would be called first, after which time

any other motions would then be considered.


That was true until...

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Until 6:00 o'clock this evening when...all bets are off.

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What.a.what...what day is it?

SENATOR BRUCE:

Today is the 29*h of October, Central Daylight Time,

as Senator Harris would point out. o..central Standard Time.


Last Monday was the.o.last day that...Last Monday

the Chair will point out, that last Monday was the eighth

day and if the sponsor does not call a bill within eight...

eight days after the Governor's objections, any person there-

after may file such a motion. And...and may call such a

bill and that's what Senator Shapiro's doing now. Is

there further discussion on Senator Shapiro's motion?

Senator Bruce.

SENATOR BRUCE:

Well, 1...1 have not had my question answered. Under

the rules the motion was filed. This is the first time

that I know of that we have gotten to 699. It has not

been called when I was on the Floor to have it called and

if it was, I Will apologize. But I do not recall that bill

being...called by the Chair at any time when this Senator

was in attendance.


Last...last Monday was the eighth day and evary day

the Chair asked if a sponsor wants to call a bill and you

d1d not call the bill? senator.

SENATOR BRUCE :

Is the Chair saying that every bill that was called

this evening was called once prïor to this.-.to the eighth

day èut off? If that is the contention of the Chair I would

say that is not...not what has occurred in this Body today.

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Whate..what'the Chair is saying

the eighth day and that thereafter any member has the r'ight to

call a bill, if he has filed a motion.

SENATOR BRUCE:

Even though the sponsor has likewise filed a motion,

is writing?


If the sponsor filed a motion and didn't aet on it

the...the Senator Shapiro would have a right to act on his

motion.

SENATOR BRUCE:

that last Monday was

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not being in leadership you see I do not have the prerogative

l6. of calling the bill whenp..when I wish. 'Nnd, so, I stand here and

l7. Wait for 699 to be called and thatls when it eame up, the

18. motion has been on' file until...since the 24th.


20 Well, Senator, we've been here several weeks and

2l. every day...the question is always asked is there any

22. further business to come before the Senate? You have

2a. been in attendance every day and you have not asked for

24. that bill to be acted upon. Senator Rock.

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Chair, the point made is a valid one. You will recall

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with possible amendments to Rule 7l# this hypothesis was29.

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bill, that they will all be called together. And the32.

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Priority. And I think to deviate from that we are now

going to get into another fifteen-day period with regard

to House fâlls.

PRESIDING OFFICER (SENATUR MOHR):

You are correct Senator up to the point where you

failed to mention that that had to be done within eight

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SENATOR ROCK:

Now, wait a minuEe, Wherelso.ewhere's.o.Terry, 1et

me have that sheet. No. Al1...all ik's...all I recall, Mr.

President... If the sponsor does not call a bill within

eight calendar days, thereafter any person filing such a

motion may call such a bill. I don't question the right

of Senator Shapiro or any Senator for that matter to..oto

make a motion on this or any other bill at this time. What

I'm suggesting is that if more than one motion is filed with

respect to any bill, all such motions shall be heard at

the time the bill is called. And the understanding was

at that time that if in fact the sponsor of the bill

had a motion, that motion would be called first and then

al1 the others in the event that they wish them to be called.

PRESIDING OFFTCER (SENATOR MOHR):

The point Senator is that Senator Bruce as the sponsor

did not call the bill within the eight days. Th'at...that

is spelled out in Senate Rule 71. Senator Rock.

SENATOR ROCK:

We.o.we needn't kick this dead horse too much longer,$

but, I think the point was that the point of that Rulep Mr.

President was that the sponsor has eighe days within which

Eo file a motion in writing, and if in fact he does so,

that motion would have priority at the time the bill is'

i the event EhaE more Ehan one motion iscalled. And n

filed, they'll all be called together with the sponsor's

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moEion beini called first.PRESIDING OFFICER (SENATOR M0HR):

Well, Senator I#m reading Rule...from Rule and

states: if the sponsor does'not call a bill within eight

calendar days after the Governor's objections to suchbill are entered in the Journal, Ehereafter any person

filing such a motion may call such a bill. The Chair

will point out again that Senator Bruce did not ask to

have this bill called or heard. Senator Shapiro has asked

for that. He's filed a motion and his motion is in order.

Senator Carroll.

SENATOR CARROLL:

Point of parliamentary inquiry, Mr. Chairman . ' I read

the message of your Senate Rule 71 and it's also if more

than one motion is filed with respect to any bill, all such

motions shall be heard at the time the bill is called. Does

this Senate operate under a fifo or lifo method? Is it the

first in, the first out or are you going by the last in, the

first out. I think that the Senate in the prior has always

acted under a fifo method, and Ehat the first one to file

any amendment or any other type of motion was heard first.


m . .youfre a learned lawyer. If youdll continue to

i ill' ive you the answer. don't wantread the Rule tha w g

to belabor donfE want to read this Rule one mùre time .

think it's understood by all. Senator Carroll.

SENATOR CARROLL:

No, even reading the rqst of it: Mr. Prgsident, you

still have both motions on file and the question is, is the

first one in the first one out? Is first in time first in

rights?


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on that thev Senator Bruce' could cal' his motion. Senator

Shapiro.

SENATOR SHAPIRO:

Mr. President, I.renew my motion to call the roll.

PRESIDING OFFICER (SENATOR WEAVER):

Question shall the Senate override the specific

recommendations in the Amendatory Veto. The question is

shall SB 699 pass and the specific recommendations of the Governor

to the contrary notwithstanding. The Secretary will call

the roll.

SECRETARY:

Bartulis, Bell, Berning, Bruce, Buzbee, Carrollg

Chew? Clarke, Conolly, Course, Daley, Davidson, Donnewald,

Dougherky, Fawellr Glass, Grahama..Graham, Harber Hallz

Kenneth Ha1l...

PRESIDING OPFICER (SENATOR WZAVER):

Ladies and Gentlemen the Secretary just cannot hear

the roll call, will you please be a little quieter, please.

SECRETARY:

Eenneth Hall, Hynesr Johns, Keegan, Knuepfer, Knuppel,

Kosïnsksi, Latherow, McBroom, Mccarthy, Merrikt, Mitchler,

Howard Mohr, Don Moore, Netsch, Newhouse, Nimrod, Nudelman,

Ozingay Palmer, Partee, Regner, Rocky Roe, Romano, Saperstein,

Savfckas, Schaffer, Scholl, Shapiro, Smithe Sommere Soper,

Sours, Swlnarski, Vadalabene, Walker, Weaver', Welçh, Wooten,

Mr. President.

IRESIDING OFFTCER (SENATOR IGAVER):

Graham/àye. walker, Aye. o..question khe' ayes arethirty and the nays are six. The motion to override the

specific recommendations of the Governor, fails. Senator

Bruce .

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Yes, Mr. President, Members of the Body, now move to

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accept the Governor's specific recommendations for change

with respect to SB 699. That is where the Governor has

kaken the action of reducing the amount of $18.00 to $17.61

per hour for junior college's full-time equivalenk students.

I vould poïnt out to the membershâp at thâs poln: havâng

failed on Senator Shapirols motion, we do need to accept

the specific recommendations or there is no legislation.

This will...as I understand it rèquire 30 votes.


Senator Shapiro.

SENATOR SHAPIRO:

Mr. President, Ladies and Gentlmen of the Senate, I

just want to clarify ty position on this. Senator Bruce

knows well that $17.61 will not fund the junior collegesproperly this year due to the ineptness of the Governor in

his Amendatory Veto of 698 which we are going to be con-

sidering a few moments frem now. However, since I want

that flat grant figure as close as we can get it to $18.50

I'm going to recommend that this side of the aisle do vote

in the affirmative in order that this bill standg at

17.61 instead of 16.50. 1'11 save my big quns for 698.

PRESIDING OFFICER (SENATOR UVAVER):

Any further discussion? Senator Bruce do you care ko

close debate? The question is shall the Senate accept the

specific reccmmendatlons of the Governor as to SB 699 in

the Ranner and form just indicated by Senator Bruce. Andon that question the secre#ary will call the roll.

SECRETARYI


Chew, Clarke, Conolly/ Course, Daley, Davidson, Donnewald,

Dougherty, Faxell, Glass, Graham, Harber Hallp Kenneth

Hall, Hyhes, Johns, Keegan, Knuepfer, Knuppel, Kosinski,

Latherow, McBroom, Mccarthy, Merritt, Mitchler, Howlrd

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PRESIDING OFFICER (SENATOR WEAVER);

Howard Mbhr: aye. Scholl, aye. Schaffer, aye.

Berning, aye. Bartulis, aye. On that question :he ayesare forty-seven, the nays are none

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dations of the Governor as to SB 699 bavlng received the

requâred majority vofe of Senakors elected are declared

accepted. senator Shapiro. Senator Shapiro.

SECRETARY:

I move that the item on page 2, lines l throuqh 7

of SB 698 be restored, the Item Reduction of the Governor

lE. to the contrary notWithstanding.

l7. PRESIDING OFFICER (SENATOR WEAVERI)

Senator Shapiro.

l9. SENATOR SHAPIRO:

ac. Mr. Presidenk, Ladies and Gentlemen of the Senate ,2l. this motion that I am making concerns ikself wikh restoring22. tbe reduced amount of the appropriation for the flat grant

23. as it concerns the junior collegea. In my opinion, lt isz4. absolutely incredible what has happened to thfs Senate

2s. Bi11, 698. I donft kno? whether it's due to ineptness:26. poor legal advice or ignorance. I1m going to let you

27. be the judges as to which is the proper adjective. However,

2a in amending this bill the Governor very properly reduced29. the dollar amount from 59.6...from 63.8 million to

3c. 59.6 million in a Reduction Veto and cited Article 4,

section 9-D of the Constitution. Citing the same Article3l.

p and that same Section, he also reduded the flat grant3 .

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Comptroller in noiicing the error in this Reduction Veto

asked the Attorney General for an opinion. And the Attorney

General's opinion reads something like this, and sums up

the problem with 698. Since for the reasons stated. the

Governor's attempted reductions on the flat grant rate of

18.50 is nelther an effective Neduction Veto under Seckion

9-D, not an Amendatory Veto under 9-E, that provisïon

stands as originally enacted and the balance of SB 698 as

modified by the Governor has become law. Now in order that

this bill not be Yitigated, and in order that the junioy

colleges know how much money they are getting, and in order

that the junior colleges get the proper amount of money

that this General Assembly voted them last spring, I am

making a motion ko restorq the reduced fgnds the

law of this State as it now stands, states that the flat

grant shall be not less than $18.50. If we do not restore

this amount, the Governor can àpportion thfs money at $17.61:

but the way he has'handled the bill Ehere won't even be

that amount of money for our junior colleges because he

reduced in arriving at Ehe 59.6 figure, reduced the full-

time equivalency from a projected figure of a 115,000 Eo

approximately 113,000. So what would be necessary if the

Governor were willing next spring, We'd have to come in

for a supplemental appropriation for the junior colleges.

I would rather not take that chance and we can clarify

the entire situation by just merely restoring th2 amount

of funds necessary to 63.8 Million dollars. would now

like to movet Mr. President and Ladies and Gentlemen of the

l through 7 of EB 698, thatsenate, that on page 2, line

that be restored. The Item Reduction of the Governor to

the contrary notwithstanding. In suming up this motion,

I Ehink everybody here is in agreement that $19.00 Would

be a more appropriate figure. There are printed statements to

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the effect by thd Governor, by the Democratic task force

in 1971, by Sena#ors Part'ee and Representative Choate in

1971 that $19.00 more appropriately comes to the 50% funding

figure. With that statement I will close. I would urge an

affirmative vote dnd it requires 30 votes to override this

Item Reduction of the Governor. And...


Ladies apd Gentlemen, we're honored wikh the presence

of the Speaker of the House, Speaker Blair. Any discussion?

Senator Bruce.

SENATOR BRUCE:

Yes, Mr. President, Members of the Body. I have been

told from behind me that we are to hurry up, the hour is

getting late, but I would like to review very quickly SB

698. I Was intrigued by Senator Shapiro's comments about

the amount of money needed to fund proper.ly junior colleges

in Illinois and particularly his..ohis reference to the

$19.00 figure, ringing a bell, coming back from 1971 and

HB 1676. At that time I believe the Governor was Governor

Ogilvie who had a like bill in front of him. And like

senator Shapiro, I do not wish to judge the ineptitude orthe ability of any of the Governors, let those who come

behind us do that. But in reference to that particular

piece of legislation, Covernor Ogilvie at that time stated

that he was going to reduce khe amount of $19.00 to

$15.50. I Would point out that Governor Ogilvie who

did not go as Governor Walker has done and given an

increase but wènt from the $19.00 a11 the way back to

the present rate in effect dt khat time of $15.50 per

h The exact language in that amendmentsemester our.

and veto dated July 16: 1971 was to insure a consistency

of action and gubernatorial intente I hereby reduce the

amount of $19.00 on page lr'line 30 of HB 1676 to $15.50

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the present statutôry rate. I don't know how Senator

Shapiro voted on that, being a House Member. came

to the Hduse and was ratified. It came to the Senate

and was ratified. I would dare say that he supported

that action of the Governor reducing tha: amount from

$19.00, what he claims to be required in 1973 back to

the present, the rate then of $15.50. 80th Governors

then under the new Constitution have taken aetion to

reduce within khe appropriakion bill the amounts to be

given as flaE grants. Now the first question is why

would any Governor want to do khaty and why would we

include it in any appropriation bill? Because the

statute under Section 102-16 requires that the flat grant

rate quote ''shall be specified for each year in khe act

making the appropriation for this purposeo'' I had no

choice. Governor Ogilvie had no choice. Governor Walkerz

had no choice. The question is, what rate, at what rate are

we going to fund junior colleges. The statute requires and

I think improperly that we put the rate ln the appropriation

bill, and perhaps that's an issue We should face next

year. But we have just passed 699, which sets *he ra#enow at 17.61. I concur with Senator Shapiro and the

Attorney General, the Board of Higher Educationr the

Junior College Board that the reduction in the amount

from 63 million, to 59 million is absolutely constitutional.

That leaves us with the problem...of thls, at what rate

are we going to pay? In 699, we've said we're going to

pay at 17.61. In the bill that's passed by Ehe Governor,

it says 17.61. NoW the Attorney General stands on the

Floor with us. He has'rdndered an opinion. The Governor's

Office has rendered an opinion. I am sure it Will be., < .

litigated. But I thiHk the appropriate step now is, is *o

send it to the courts as lk is, as prio: Governor's have

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2. whether either of the Governors or Ehe Governor in this h3. instance Qas correct. ' I

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. Any further discussion? Senator Shapiro may close II

6. debate. II7

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. Mr. President and Ladies and Gentlemen of the Senate I. f

9. I do want to point out that this is two years later and j

Il0. cireumstances have changed. As you'll recall in 1971, the funds I

Ill. were not available and at that time the various junior I

Il2. college interest groups went on record opposing an override.I

l3. This year the situakion is different in that the.lllinois !I

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j14. Community College Trustees Associaticn is soliciting theI

l5. support of the Genqral Assembly in an override of 691 nainly I' I

l6. due to Ehe fact that the. Reduction Veko of the flat grant was I

l7. erroneous and that khe flat grant by law and by the I. . I

ï8. Attorney General's opinion now stands at 18.50. And II

l9. the Comptroller under the law that governs his offiee II20

. can only approve the voucher at the $18.50 figurç if the j. I21

. monles are appropriated. And I think it behooves us here I

22. to approve that appropriation so that the junior colleges I' do do not have to wait for litigation. And in closing I l23. . . .

l24 renew my motion and remind the Senate that it ryquires l

I25. 30 votes to override this Item Reduction of khe Governorfs. I

' I26. PRESIDING OFFICER (SENATOR WEAVER); I

127. The question is shall #he item on page zr.o.senatori

28. Shapïro was closing debate, Senator Bruée. Senator Bruce, I' I29. what is your inquiry? I

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nor a.Reduction Veto, on What are We noW voting and what

2. is the motion thàt Senator Shapiro has filed? SRecifically.

3 . PRESIDING OFFICER (SENATOR WEAVER) :

4 '. The motion is , shall the item on page 2 , lines l

5 . through 7 of SB 698 be restored . The Item Reduction

6. of the Governor to the contrary notwithstanding . .motion.

7. Senator Bruce, this is a Reduced Item, it wlll take 30g '. votes

. senator Bruce.

9. SENATOA BRUCE:

10. 1. . .1 just wank to make this clear because it will.bell. litigated, it is a ruling of the Chair that we are votlng

l2. on a Reduction Veto of Governor Walker relative to SB 698.

13. Welre talking about a Reduction Veto, not an Amendatory Veto.

l4. PRESIDING OFFICER (SENATOR WEAVER):

l5. we are vot.ing on the motion and I Fill read the motion.

l6. SENATOR BRDCE:

l7. well, now... .

l8. PRESIDING OFFICER (SENATOR WEAVER):

l9. The question is shall the item on page 2, line 1

20. through 7 of SB 698 be restored, the Item Reduction of

2l. the dovernor to the contrary notwithstandlng. And ehe

22. secretary wïll call the roll.

23. SECRETARY:

24. Bartulis, Bell, Berning, Bruce, Buzbee, Carroll,

25. Chew: Clarke, Conolly? Coursez Daley, Davidson, Donnewaldy

26. Douqherty, Fawell, Glass, Graham, Harber Hall, Kenneth

27. Hall, Hynes, Johns, Keegan: Xnuepfer, Knuppel, Kosinski,

28. Latherow, McBroom, Mccarthy: Merritt, MiEchler. Houard

29. Mohr, Don Moore, Netsch, Newhouse, Nimrod, Nudelman,

30. Ozingar Palmer, Parted, Reqner, Rock: Roe, Romano,

31. Saperstein, Savickas, Schaffer, Scholl, Shapiro, Smith,

32 Sommev, Soper, Sours, swinarski: Vadalabe' ne# Walker,

33. Weaver, Welsh Wooten, Mr. P/esident.

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g '' Yes e I would move that that rall call be verificd

9. Mr. pzesiuent. .

lô* PRESIDING OFFICER (SENATOR WEAVER):

ll. verifieation 'has been asked for. The Secretary will

l2. call the affirmative votes. .

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l4. The following voted in the affirmative: Bartulis,

15. Bell, Berning, Clarkee Conolly, Davidson, Fawell, Glass, I

l6. crah am, Harber Hàll, Knuepfer, Latherow, McBroom, Merritty '

17' Mitchler, Howard Mohr, Don Moore' Nimrod, Ozinga, Regner, I' l8. Roe , sehaffer, schollz shapiroe Sommer, Soper, Sours, !

l9. walker, Weaver, Mr. President. ' I

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2t. -He got lost. Senator Bruce. I

22. SENATOR BRgcE: I

23. Is senator Latherow on the Floor? I'm sorry.

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25. senator Lathezow is on the Floor. The' roll has been I

e 126. verified. 692. Senator Walker is in his seat, the roll 1

' I. 27. has been verified. 692. I

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I29. Motion. I move that SB 692 pass notwithstanding I

. !30. the veto of the Governor. Signed Senator Shapiro. I

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2. the Governor's veto of SB 692 was a total veto and the 1I

3. bill divd this, the main impact of the bill was to provide'

j4. the junior colleges with a funding on their tenth day head' I

I5. count instead of mid-term . Incidental to the main thrust. I

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I6. of this billz it also amended the flat grant rate to $19.00 II7. and this was not changed during the course of the legislative II8

. action and went to the Qovernor's desk in this partieular I'

j9. form. I think that this i'B a bill that everyone in this

l0. Assembly can vote for. It has no fiscal implications '

ll. for F.Y.'74 because it does not take effect until July lst

l2. of next year. At that parkicular time the fiscal implications

l3. are approximately 8 million dollars. I think that there is

14. a lot of support for this type of bill and I would like '

l5. to read from you a quote of Governor Walker's from the

l6. Illinois Academe when he was a candidate for Governor of

l7. this State. And in answer to the question do you believe ' '

' h t the State has an obiigation to fund public community !l8. t aI

l9. college operations at the 50% level, Governor Walker answered 'I

t2O. such - as I understand it khe State did make assurances to. I

. I2l. many local districts that it would fund 50% of the operatingI

22. costs of junior colleges in :he State, although we have not II22. . done so today. I think we should move in the direction of I

. . I24. 50% funding not only to help the junio: colleges but âlso' '''''

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. Ogilvie apparently does not feel Ehe same obligation: although jI27

. the State had appropriated $19.00 per semester hour, for j$

I28. junior college support in 71-72 school year, Ogilvie used j'

. j29. his line item veto power to eut back to 15.50 per semester 1

3c. hour for that year. .1 khink that statement bears out that It

31. the Governor as a candidate d1d support $19.00. Back in I

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House Democratic Leader and I1m just going to read part

of the statement. We...we propose aetion to help the

State make good on two promises to local taxpàyers by

inereasing the State aid grant from 15.50 to $19.00 the

State will move closer to the 50% funding commitment. The

increased funds will relieve the local tax dollar bringing a

measure of relief to the hard pressed property tax rolls.

Significant as the initiative will be however, it still

will not provide full 5O% funding. Average semester hour costs

are 40 to $45. Now, the junior colleges have pretty well

maintained that average semester hour cost and it still ranges

in that particular field. $19.00 is not quite 50% funding

but it comes real close. This bill would make the junior

colleges put them in a good financial condition for at

least two years. I want to repeat to ybu that it has no

fiscal implications for this yeaç. It does not take

effect until the following year. And in closing this

statement Mr. President, I would allow..gnow like to move

that SB 692 pass, notwithstanding the veto of the Governor.

PRESIDING OFFICER (SENATOR WEAVERIZ

Is there any discussion? The question is shall

SB 692 pass, Ehe veto of the Governor to the contrary not-

withstandlng and on that question the Secretary will call

the roll.

SECRETARY:

Bartulls, Bell, Berning, Bruce, Buzbee, Carroll,

Chew, Clarke, Conolly' Course, Daley, Davidson, Donnewald,

Dougherty, Fawell, Glass? Graham, Harber Hall, Kenneth

Hall, Hynes, Johns, Keegan, Knyepfer, Knuppel, Kosinski:

Latherow, McBroom, Mccarthy, Merritt, Mitchllr, Hovard

Mdhry Don Moore, Netsch, Newhouse, Nimrod, Nudelman,

Ozinga, Palmer? Partee, Rùqner, Rock, Roe: Romano,

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4. PRESIDENT:

5. Por what purpose does Senator Walker seek recognition?

6. SENATOR WALKERZ

7. Mr. President and Members of the Senate, a Monday

8. niqht report. the Bills are leading the Chiefs 23 to 14

9. and O.J. is 20 yards short of a thousand yards for the

l0. season at the end of 3rd quarter. k just thought some

l1. of you other unfortunates would like to know whates going on.

l2. PRESIDENT:

l3. On that question the yeas are twenty-fivez the nays

l4. are three, those voting present one. SB 692 having failed

l5. to receive the required 3/5's vote is declared lost.

l6. Senator Mohr.

l7. SENATOR HOWARD MOHR:

l8. Mr. President I move We adjourn.

l9. PRESIDENT:

20. Senator Mohr moves that the Senate adjourn until2l. 10:30 tomorrow morning. All in favor signify by saying

22. aye. Contrary no. The motion cabries, the Senate stands

23. adjourned until 10:30 tomorrow morning.

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