Do you need doctors if you have Google? • Janet Hall MB.ChB FRCGP General Practitioner (Sophie’s GP) • Clinical Advisor NHS England (Kent and Medway Area Team) Performance and Revalidation • Sophie Tate (aged 27) patient
Transcript
1. Do you need doctors if you have Google? Janet Hall MB.ChB
FRCGP General Practitioner (Sophies GP) Clinical Advisor NHS
England (Kent and Medway Area Team) Performance and Revalidation
Sophie Tate (aged 27) patient
2. SELF-DIAGNOSIS?
3. Plan of talk Patients using Google and the internet in
general The story of one young woman from the doctors perspective
Her story from her own perspective How the diagnosis was reached
What lessons to be learnt Conclusions about usefulness of internet
for patients
4. Advantages of patients researching their symptoms It
encourages self education of patients who can the have more useful
discussions with doctors Doctors can encourage the patient to use
the more reliable sites (Almost) everybody uses the internet for
searching and why not medicine?
5. Disadvantages of patients using internet Some patients
become more anxious as extreme cases are often described. False
hope may be given when miracles achieved by alternative medicine
Information overload with confusion
6. Is the internet any use in diagnosis? BMJ 2006 Tang and Ng
googled 26 case histories published in the New England Journal of
Medicine without knowing the correct diagnosis using 5 symptoms
They were correct in 58% cases
7. Inspiration for this talk Sophie Patient journeys published
in BMJ- 100 in the past 8 years-and the consequences for the
patient, their family, friends and health professionals
8. The story of Sophie Part 1 The doctors
9. Past Medical History Endometriosis and polycystic ovaries
(extensive investigations before correct diagnoses reached after
extensive internet research by patient)
10. Family History Father has auto immune thyroid and liver
diseases One sister has epilepsy
11. Sophies symptoms acute and severe Attacks-? 50 in 18 months
-contorted facial movements and various weaknesses plus an
assortment of other symptoms
12. Sophies symptoms (some) Either continual or intermittent
Lump in throat -only able to talk when head turned to the right
Numb patches on body and odd mottling of skin Small infrequent
electric shocks to right cheek Dizzy on standing and confusion
Sharp pains to various parts of the body close to joints Poor
vision- like focusing a camera lens Chest pain, waking gasping for
air, tachycardia (120- 150) and low BP (105/49) Excessive reaction
to cold with symptoms much worse in cold weather
13. Photos of Sophie Taken during periods of of being
unwell
14. Facial spasmfaFf Facial spasms of Sophie
15. One foot cold and the other hot
16. Rash on feet
17. BLOTCHY RASH HANDS
18. Blotchy leg
19. Change of colour in thehands
20. THE FACIAL SPASMS
21. Sophies medical journey 1 12 December 2011 to A and E
Sudden onset dysphonia September continuing for 4 months. Advised
to see neurologist. Dec 2011 to Jan 2012 saw neurologist and a head
and neck surgeon; numerous investigations 21 Jan 2012 urgent
admission to hospital weakness in right arm and both legs.
Thrombolysed after video consultation with a neurologist, admitted
to a stroke unit. Further attack witnessed by nurses. Improved
(including voice intermittently), BUT discharged with a zimmer
frame after 5 days
22. Sophies medical journey 2 1 day later returned as
emergency. reduced power in right leg 3/5, hyper reflexia on left ,
double vision in horizontal plane and poor co-ordination in
finger/nose test Diagnosis functional neurological
disorder-definitely NOT a stroke
23. Sophies medical journey 3 2012 Feb chest pain seen in A and
E Feb vascular surgeon Feb cardiologist Feb vascular and
endovascular surgeon Feb ENT consultant April psychiatrist June
Lupus clinic August haematologist
24. Sophies medical journey 4 September 2012 Rheumatologist
November 2012 Neuro-psychiatrist December 2012 Gynaecologist
February 2013 Neurologist June 2013 Professor X -the end of the
journey!
25. Investigations Numerous blood tests including anti-
phospholipid antibodies, cryoglobulin screen, porphyria screen EEG
ECG x 3 MRI scan head and neck x 4 CT scan x3 Barium swallow
Ultrasound x 3 Doppler neck Nasendoscopy x2
27. Doctors comments I cannot think of an organic lesion which
would cause these symptoms-many doctors Thrombolysis was a placebo
Suggestions to have CBT, osteopathy, hypnotherapy, speech therapy,
physiotherapy You will not get better unless you stop all
medication or stop seeing doctors Only one doctor (a psychiatrist)
said no it is not anxiety, you are not mad or making it happen in
your brain
28. Sophies personal journey 1 She wrote a Blog called The
diary of a hypochondriac If you are ill constantly and seem to
always have your brain on pain and discomfort thats making your
life very difficult you begin to feel that perhaps you are a
hypochondriac or whats worse that other people see you as one.
Whether you are or not, you still feel the pain
29. Sophies personal journey 2 26 years old and many stroke
like episodes + numerous unexplained symptoms Some clear cut
medical signs. Her experience with doctors was almost universally
bad (NHS and private)
30. Sophies personal journey 3 Her quotes I have never been in
a room with such an arrogant self-absorbed prick Consultants pass
me round like a hot cake assuming it is not their problem but
theyll happily take their fees from BUPA NHS hospitals washed their
hands of me a long time ago and all I have got from the Private
Sector is a hefty dose of radiation These doctors are so strange,
depending on their mood they seem to discount another medical
opinion if it does not suit.
31. Sophies personal journey 4 Her emotions Its making me sad,
just lost. None of it makes any sense My stupid body. I want it to
work better All I want is my life back. A job, a partner, maybe
even a family. Definitely a cat. I hate being a burden to my
parents at 27 years old Just been crying and crying
32. Sophies personal journey 5: The internet: Hours Googling
symptoms and researching various conditions on internet Using sites
such as Healthunlocked.com Showing the photos on the blog . Replies
including one Have you thought about Hughes syndrome?- Numerous
tests for this had always been negative or faintly positive (non
significant)
33. Sophies personal journey 6 June 2013 email from Sophie to
Professor Khamashta at The Lupus clinic sending the photos
Immediate appointment and subsequent diagnosis of sero-negative
Anti-phospholipd syndrome Started a trial of Clexane and aspirin
with almost immediate improvement of symptoms
34. Anti-phospholipid syndrome (Hughes syndrome) Diagnostic
criteria Clinical evidence of vascular thrombosis or complications
of pregnancy such as recurrent miscarriage or severe pre-eclampsia
PLUS Laboratory criteria positive tests 12 weeks apart Lupus
anticoagulant, anticardiolipin antibody (high titre) or
anti-b2-glycoprotein 1 antibody (minor sign livedo
reticularis)
35. Sero-negative antiphospholipid syndrome Hughes and
Khamashta 2003 BMJ described condition of sero-negative APS (20
years after original diagnosis of APS) 2012 Khamashta et al
published in Ann Rheum Dis paper on clinical manifestations of
SP-APS and SN-APS. No significant differences in vascular events in
the 2 groups August 2013 Personal communication from Professor
Khamashta Less than 1% of cases of APS are sero-negative
36. Lessons to be learnt Do not jump to the conclusion that an
illness is functional just because you do not understand what is
going on. Use term medically unexplained symptoms Work with the
patient when they bring information including photos to the
consultation. Listen carefully. Do not diagnose a psychiatric
illness unless the patient has evidence of a mental illness. Most
patients are anxious when they see a doctor. If the tests are
negative and there is good clinical evidence think of the
possibility of a sero-negative diagnosis (eg rheumatoid arthritis)
Ensure your notes and letters are accurate.
37. Why did the diagnosis take so long ? Sophie annoyed the
doctors because she had done so much research herself The doctors
were all too specialist to think outside of the box They took more
notice of the test results than the clinical evidence and some were
biased Important evidence was not acted upon- original diagnosis of
stroke, Raynauds , livedo reticularis, research papers of Hughes
and Kashmata