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06-29-2004, 09:03 PM #1 (permalink

Justin726Andy Bell is my hero.

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A guide for learning wheelies.

This was posted on the old SBN message board. It was

posted by f4rider. It's a really good read and covers some

good stuff such as bike set-up and different techniques. I

hope this helps some people out.

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Following this advice wont keep you from crashing, getting

hurt, and breaking stuff; but it will, most likely, help you

learn faster while crashing less often than if you figure

everything out on your own.

Bike setup for wheelies:

Oil: Many bikes will become oil starved when riding long

wheelies, and doing 12 o-clock wheelies. Gixxers and CBR


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900s ('93-'95 893cc model) are the most notorious for this.

To keep the bike from becoming oil starved, either move

the oil pickup in the oil pan back, or overfill the oil. Myself,

and some others on this forum, run 1 quart over. Overfilling

doesn't seem to cause any problems with Hondas, but I

have read of problems with Gixxers as a result of this. So

the best thing for a Gixxer would probably be to modify the

oil pickup. I've read about some companies that sell

aftermarket oil pickups. People can buy modified oil pickups

for Gixxers from www.stuntex.com

Gears: For learning, gearing the bike down is unnecessary.

Almost every sportbike will wheelie in first gear without any

problem (maybe the ex250 is an exception). Also gearing to

make second gear come up easier is kind of pointless

because it just becomes more like first gear with big

sprockets. If it doesnt wheelie in first gear, it isnt the

bikes fault. For the most part, gears are unnecessary until

you are ready to learn highchairs (on a weak 600), no

throttle hand wheelies, and circles.

Tires: When doing high-speed wheelies make sure you have

a good rear tire. A tire with a flat spot in the middle can

cause wobbles. I learned wheelies on a rear tire that was

almost down to the cords in the middle, and it would often

wobble like crazy when doing balance point wheelies. A new

tire almost completely eliminated that problem. Run the tire

pressure lower than stock. For doing wheelies above 20

mph, have the tire pressure between 20 and 30psi. For

doing wheelies slower than 20 mph, lower the pressure to

between 12 and 20. 18-20 psi makes for a good all around

psi. Lower tire pressure makes the wheelie more stable from

side to side.

Tip over sensor: Most (or all, Im not sure) bikes with fuel

injection have a t ip over sensor. This can c ause the bike to

shut off when riding wheelies high. This should be disabled.

For Hondas this can be done by cutting the wires going intothe sensor, connecting the two outer wires, and leaving

the middle one hanging. For Gixxers, that method doesnt

work. The brass ring in the sensor must be removed, or

immobilized with something such as silicone.

Steering Damper: While it isnt imperative that you have a

steering damper for doing wheelies, it might save your ass.

If you come down from a wheelie with the front wheel

crooked, it could cause a tank slapper. This shouldnt be a

problem, though; if you make sure the front wheel is strait

when you put it down.

Exhaust pipe: If learning 12s, the pipe may have to beshortened. The stock pipes on some bikes touch the ground

at about the same time as the tail when doing a 12 o-clock

wheelie. If the pipe hits the ground, it may cause you to

crash. My friend just went down a week ago because of

this. The pipe can be shortened by simply cutting a few

inches off the end of the pipe, and then re-welding / re-

riveting the end of the pipe back on. Short pipes can also

be bought from www.starboyz.com.

Cage: In the process of learning to ride wheelies good, you

will most likely drop your bike. Crash cages provide the bes

protection. All of these cages will most likely save you a lot

of money if you crash, but none of them will completely


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protect your bike in every crash. Here is a list of some

crash cage websites in no particular order.

MXD cages http://eclipsebusiness.net/mxdcages.com/

Racing 905 Cages http://www.racing905.com

Powers Cages http://www.powersbikeworx.com/

Freestyle Ingenuity Cages

http://www.freestyleingenuity.com/

Wicked Crew Extreme Team's Cages

http://cantcuffus.com/cages_pics.htm

12 bar: Install a 12 bar if you plan on learning 12s. Therewas some debate as to whether or not to learn 12s with a

12 bar. I learned 12s with a bar and didnt have any

problems. You just need to be more careful because a bar

is less forgiving than plastic. However, I think tail sections

cost way too much to smash on purpose. You can buy 12

bars from Racing 905 or Freestyle Ingenuity. They are also

pretty simple to build yourself, at a fract ion of the cost.

Protection: Wear a helmet, jacket, jeans, and gloves if you

dont want to get messed up.

Before riding wheelies on a bike:

If you have access to a quad, a dirt bike, or a fiddy, learn

wheelies on that f irst. What you learn about throttle

control and the balance point will help you in learning to

ride a wheelie on a bike. If youre ready to learn on a bike

then: 1. Make sure the rear brake works and adjust the

lever to a comfortable height. 2. There should be 1in. of

play in chain slack. A chain too tight or too loose will wear

out the chain and sprockets faster than normal. 3. Make

sure there are no cracks in the foot pegs, and make sure al

of the bolts are tight. 4. I also recently found out from

experience that taking the throttle assembly apart and

greasing everything can help in making hwy wheelies

smoother

Speed and riding position for learning wheelies:

I recommend that beginners learn wheelies if first gear. It is

easier to launch the wheelie in first gear, and there is more

engine breaking in first gear. This means that you can ride

a wheelie higher without the danger of looping it. It also

hurts much less and breaks less stuff when you crash in

first gear. For that reason I don't think it is a good idea to

do high-speed wheelies, until using the brake is second

nature. It is also much easier to go from riding out first gea

wheelies to second gear wheelies than vice versa. The only

downfall to learning wheelies in first vs. seconds is that the

wheelie wont be as smooth. The throttle will feel much

more sensitive. I think fifteen mph is a good speed tolaunch wheelies while learning; any slower and the wheelie

may feel unstable to a beginner. I also recommend learning

wheelies standing up with the left foot on the passenger

peg, and the right foot on the front peg, covering the

brake. While it may feel awkward at first to wheelie while

standing, it will be easier after you get used to that part.

Most people think it is easier to balance and control a

wheelie standing up vs. sitting down. It is also easier to

launch the wheelie from standing up.

Why clutching wheelies is the best method for launching

wheelies

Clutching is by far the best way to get wheelies up,


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regardless of whether the bike has enough power to power

it up. While it does wear out clutch plates a little faster

than normal, the difference is not significant. I also have

never read about any major problems as the result of the

extra tension on the drive train. There are many

advantages to clutching wheelies vs. powering wheelies. 1.

It allows you to wheelie bikes that dont have enough

power to power it up. 2. You can wheelie at lower rpms,

and therefore slower speeds. This allows beginners to keep

a wheelie up longer, with out being at the balance point. 3.

The launch is more predictable. When powering a wheelieup, the front end comes up relatively slow. Then when the

front end is about 3 feet off the ground, the front end

jumps up very fast under full throttle, making for a scary

and unpredictable launch. When clutching up wheelies right

the front jumps up close to the balance point. From there

you just play with the throttle to fine adjust the height.

After a litt le practice, clutching becomes very predictable

and not frightening at all. 4. All of the pros that I know of

clutch every wheelie. You want to be like them dont you?

How to clutch wheelies:

There are a couple different methods for clutching

wheelies. I prefer the second method.

Method 1: First accelerate with the clutch engaged. Then,

with the throttle still opened, pull in the clutch with one

finger, to the point where the clutch disengages. With the

engine still under throttle, quickly let the clutch back out as

the tach is rising.

Method 2: Close the throttle, and then pull the c lutch in all

the way, with one finger. Then twist the thrott le and dump

the clutch.

When learning to clutch, only rev up the engine a little bit

at first before lett ing out the clutch. This will give you the

feel for clutching. Then gradually increase the rpms before

dumping the clutch, until the front end jumps up close to

the balance point. Reduce the throttle as the front end

comes up to the balance point. If it c omes up too far,gently push the rear brake to bring the bike back forward.

When clutching second and third gear wheelies, the bike

may need extra help, depending on what bike it is. If

clutching alone doesnt get the wheelie up, then bounce at

the same time. This is done by pushing down on the bike

(with your arms and legs) at the same time you open the

throttle, and then leaning back slightly when dropping the

clutch. It is not a good idea to pull on the bars. Pulling up

on the bars may cause the wheelie to come up funny and

wobble.

Shifting gears:I dont recommend shifting gears during a wheelie unless

you are good at wheelies, and are able to use the clutch in

the process. Otherwise, shifting during wheelies is hard on

the transmission. It is also hard on the fork seals if you miss

a shift. My advice is to learn to ride wheelies at a constant

speed. Then there will be no need to shift.

How to set a wheelie down:

When bringing down a wheelie, stay on the throttle until

the front end is safely on the ground. If it is necessary to

quickly bring down the front end, then close the throttle at

first. Then as the front is coming down, open the thrott le.


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In that way you will have a soft landing.

Step by step procedure to launch a wheelie for a beginner

1. Drop the tire pressure to about 15-20psi

2. Put the bike into first gear

3. Go about 15mph

4. Pull in the c lutch

5. Rev up the engine a little and drop the clutch

6. Repeat step 5, increasing the rpms, until the front end

comes up c lose to the balance point.

7. Reduce the throttle as the front end comes up to thebalance point.

8. Cover the rear brake.

9. Stay on the throttle as it comes back down.

Balancing the wheelie from front to back:

Balancing front to back is controlled by using the throttle

and rear brake. It is a good idea to learn this on a quad,

fiddy, or dirtbike first. If the wheelie is in front of the

balance point, you must increase your speed to remain at

that position. To get the wheelie back to the balance point

you must compensate with more throttle. This is the same,

only in reverse, when the wheelie is behind the balance

point. When behind the balance point, you must use the

engine breaking/ rear brake to bring it forward to the

balance point. The balance point is the position of the bike

in which it neither has to speed up or slow down to remain

at the same position. The height of the balance point is

affected mainly by the speed of the wheelie. The faster the

wheelie is, the lower the balance point. The balance point

is also slightly affected by the weight distribution of the

bike and the position of the rider. The object of riding a

balanced wheelie is to keep the bike as close as possible to

the balance point. This is done by rolling on and off the

throttle, and pushing the brake if needed. With practice

comes the ability to ride a smooth wheelie with out playing

with the throttle/brake much.

Balancing the wheelie from side to side:

Balancing sided to side is done by adjusting your body

position. It is a good idea to learn this on a dirtbike,

bicycle, or fiddy first. When riding wheelies over about

20mph, the bike will balance itself for the most part. It is

the slow wheelies that you have to consciously balance

side to side. The principle is pretty simple. Quickly lean the

same direction as the bike is falling. For example, if the bike

is starting to fall to the left, you would quickly lean to the

left. This movement would twist the bike towards the left,

thereby correcting it.

Preventing / stopping wheelie wobbles:From my experience, I think that high speed wheelie

wobbles can be caused by having a squared off rear tire,

not being smooth on the throttle, and/or making quick

movements. Slow speed wobbles seems to be caused by

high rear tire pressure, and/or not keeping the wheelie

balanced from side to side.

Steering wheelies:

To steer wheelies good, you need to either be at the

balance poing, or behind the balance point. To steer

wheelies, which are over about 20mph, you simply slowly

lean in the direction you want to turn. However, to turn

slow wheelies, you must first make the bike lean in the


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direction which you want to turn. For example, if you want

to turn to the right, first, slowly lean to the right. Then

quickly lean a little to the left / twist the handlebars a little

to the left. This will cause the bike to start to fall to the

right. Then, instead of completely correcting the lean, you

keep the bike leaning at that angle. This will cause the bike

to turn to the right.

Using the rear brake: Slowing wheelies down / 12s:

Wheelies are slowed down by riding the wheelie behind the

balance point. This is one of the hardest parts of learningto wheelie, not because of skill, but because of the balls

required. To learn how to use the rear brake, you basically

need to grow some balls, bring the wheelie up behind the

balance point, and tap the brake. Soon this process will

become second nature. To slow a wheelie down, you must

give the bike enough throttle to get the wheelie behind the

balance point. Now if you get scared and push the rear

break hard at this point, it will quickly bring the wheelie

forward without slowing it down much. To slow it down,

you must keep it behind the balance point by gently riding

the brake. To 12, you just do the same thing; only you get

off the rear break enough to allow the bike to lean back on

the tail. Unless you plan on parking a 12, make sure you ge

back on the brake before the wheelie slows down enough

to stall the engine.

Riding slow wheelies:

After you get good at slowing down wheelies, then you

should be able to ride slow wheelies out. First of all, turn up

your idle. I do slow stuff with the idle at 3.5k rpms. The

high idle allows you to ride slow wheelies much smoother.

Be careful, however, when first turning up the idle, because

you will have to use the rear brake, when going slow, to

keep from looping. When riding slow wheelies with the idle

high, with some practice, you should be able to ride the

wheelie by using the brake, and only blipping the throttle if

the wheelie starts to come down.

Once you have learned all of this, all of the wheelie

variations will pretty much be self-explanatory.

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feedback? :hello

Hey justin, could you edit that. People can buy modified

oil pickups for gixxers from www.stuntex.com (put in

paragraph 2). I also recently found out from experience

that taking the throttle assembly apart and greasing

everything can help in making hwy wheelies smoother.

So maybe you could add something about that to the

"before you ride wheelies on a bike" paragraph. There's

also a few typos .

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Nice directions, very helpful. I just guess I dont gethow dumping a clutch would be more stable then a

power wheelie.

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Very good, I have myself (I've been riding for 3 weeks

now) popped 2 wheelies with my ex 250 in 1st gear

though (both times by ac cident)

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Quote:

Originally Posted by f4riderfeedback? :hello

Hey justin, could you edit that. People can buy

modified oil pickups for gixxers from

www.stuntex.com (put in paragraph 2). I also

recently found out from experience that taking the

throttle assembly apart and greasing everything

can help in making hwy wheelies smoother. Somaybe you could add something about that to the

"before you ride wheelies on a bike" paragraph.

There's also a few typos .

Hey, I got that edited a bit. Thanks for all the tips. If you

ever want me to add something else, just PM me with what

you need added and I'll put it in.

If anyone else had some knowledge that might help

someone else out just post it up as a reply here. This

thread is for everyone to share their tips and tricks.

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shortyali0369500 G.P. Champion

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Okay, as I said I popped 2 wheelies by accident, and as

of late I have been actually TRYING to do them. Read

this and tried it.. didn't work, got advice from a friend


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who does them almost ALL the time.. didn't work. What

am I doing wrong? And I am trying without the popping

clutch, with the popping clutch...

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on you little ninja your going to have to go about 15

mph grab clutch rev it to redline and let go. it will come

up

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must have mooore powah.

pc3 and exhaust could help that starver.

peace.

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must have mooore powah.

pc3 and exhaust could help that starver.

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doesnt have a ecu hers is carbed. and a pipe and pc

doesnt make that much of a diffence. its technique

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What's a Fiddy?

I do have one question about the stand up wheelies. If

you've got your right foot, on the right foot peg, and

your left foot on the passenger foot peg, won't you be

putting more weight on the left foot, and causing the

bike to be unbalanced to that side?

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a fiddy is slang for a 50cc dirtbike.

stagger step at first will seem uncomfortable at first bu

ppl seem to like it more since you have more balance

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I can see what you mean, but I guess what I don't

understand, is if you do it, you're going to have at least

75% of your weight, on the lower foot once the front

end comes up. Doesn't that unbalance the bike?

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Quote:

Originally Posted by adrenaline junkieI can see what you mean, but I guess what I

don't understand, is if you do it, you're going to

have at least 75% of your weight, on the lower

foot once the front end comes up. Doesn't that

unbalance the bike?

Nope. It dosn't matter where your feet are, it matter's

where the center of your body's mass is. When you

stand on the pegs staggard, you put a little more

weight on the left peg, but you also pull harder on the

left c lip-on than the right.

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Is it really that vital to clutch wheelies instead of using

power? I have an 04 Gixxer 600 and I can bring it with

just the enine pretty good. I'm just t rying to learn to

ride them out now.


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Originally Posted by lucky7875Is it really that vital to c lutch wheelies instead of

using power? I have an 04 Gixxer 600 and I canbring it with just the enine pretty good. I'm just

trying to learn to ride them out now.

The main advantage of clutching up a wheelie is that you

can bring the front up at a slower speed, and when the tire

is up in the air, you sill have plenty of useable RPMs left to

work with and find the balance point to ride the wheelie

out. When you power up a wheelie, you have to be much

higher in the rev range to begin with, then you also use up

RPMs to power the bike up with, which doesn't leave you a

whole lot or RPMs left once the wheel is up. Plus, most

people feel that clutching up a wheelie is a lot more

predictable, controlable, and consistant than powering up awheelie.

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