Alert: This is a formal class on principals underlying the Torah as found in the classic text, Derech Hashem. Questions should be related to the text - limit to 30 seconds each Class is each Wednesday nights at 9pm eastern. lnfo found at www.yashanet.com/derechAlert: Redottext is currently on.

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YehoshuaBA: sound?davidebyrum: I had no time to read chapter 3, looking forward a great discussion again to nightYehoshuaBA: hello?davidebyrum: no one is talkingsherryr: she's away for a momentdavidebyrum: shalom bruce and elianaYehoshuaBA: got dumpeddavidebyrum: and everyone else I know...Marciyah: hiAlert: An admin left the room: Isibeleliana batyah: shalom marciMarciyah: shalomjacqueline_54_1953: shalom MarciyahYehoshuaBA: 2BlkPraiseAngel: shalom MarciYahjacqueline_54_1953: no sound isibelSHeMABruce: Hello. We are discussing the book "The Way of God" (Derech HaShem) by Moshe Chaim Luzzatto. Please limit your text to issues specific to the topic. Time will be given for questions.YehoshuaBA: 1jacqueline_54_1953: 1Grafted-n-2-Israel: 1eliana batyah: 1jkeane2: 1jacqueline_54_1953: npYehoshuaBA: me tooeliana batyah: 1olivesnr: 1BlkPraiseAngel: 1Grafted-n-2-Israel: 1rachelkeane: 1SHeMABruce: to me, the emphasis on the requirement of free will also begins here.TwinkleInHisEye: 1vincentrizzophotography: Can you hear me now? jacqueline_54_1953: 1jacqueline_54_1953: 2eliana batyah: 2SHeMABruce: paltalk problems.vincentrizzophotography: Get a MAC jacqueline_54_1953: ohh

olivesnr: is paltalk is going to close?Alert: An admin joined the room: IsibelA D A M_3: no olivejacqueline_54_1953: she is back jacqueline_54_1953: she is backdavidebyrum: who ever did the recording, did a great job, very clear and easy to listen to...olivesnr: ok good adamSHeMABruce: Btw, I am not recording tonight. Can't using my current computerYehoshuaBA: i'm recording bruceYehoshuaBA: using wavepadjacqueline_54_1953: ty YehoshuaBADetective Burst: question: how was the name 'yeshuah' pronounced, in the first century? can we know this?YehoshuaBA: last weeks audio file has been posted on the website: www.yashanet.com/derechSHeMABruce: Burst, that is not the topic. Please listen and restrict all text and comments to the material being presented.A D A M_3: have a questionDetective Burst: i apologize SHeMABruce

Detective Burst: *giggle* think about it tho SHeMABruce: Note your question, ADAM, so it can be asked later during question time. warriorofyeshua: shalom Bruce, Yehoshua, and BEHANUA D A M_3: is he saying the soul is spiritual like our spirits?YehoshuaBA: shalom warriorTaz_Aharon: we consist of soul and physical bodydavidebyrum: Isibel, if you answer a question that is on text, and you answer it, can you please repeat the question so it can be on the recording...thanks...warriorofyeshua: shalom BinahBinah_ve_daat: hi warriorjacqueline_54_1953: exactlyYehoshuaBA: These text sessions are also being posted in Word format on our website at: www.yashanet.com/derechSHeMABruce: There are levels of "soul"Taz_Aharon: rightjacqueline_54_1953: exactly SHeMABruce: nephesh, neshamah, etc.A D A M_3: how does my body have any control?A D A M_3: kSHeMABruce: he gets into that later in the bookTaz_Aharon: i believe the human consists of soul and physical bodyA D A M_3: okMizzCrowley: The problem is that the ego competes with and tries to replace the soul.SHeMABruce: They were, themselves, a unity of sorts

A D A M_3: i iwll wait then...... thank youMizzCrowley: The ego is of the body/flesh.jacqueline_54_1953: Adam if you read page 49 you will find your answer.. but Isibel is not there yet. .so best to just wait Binah_ve_daat: nefesh, ruach, neshama, chaya, and yechidahA D A M_3: your saying it was the body that disobeyed?A D A M_3: okLady_Antebellum: and even in the NT Paul refers to the FLESH....and in christianity we always thought it wasnt really the FLESH but a state of mind....i guess he really meant FLESHBinah_ve_daat: 1SHeMABruce: 1Isibel: 1Wesleyismyname: 1MizzCrowley: antebel- Yep he means the ego.jacqueline_54_1953: 1LevEchad: shalom luminousluminous_spirit: shalom Lev jacqueline_54_1953: adam , if adam would have choose not to take of the tree. his soul would have overcome his body..but he choose to take. so his body overcame his soulSHeMABruce: why not?Taz_Aharon: the soul is perfectA D A M_3: jac....cant send you a whisperMizzCrowley: Olive - it doesn't make sense unless you know the entire nature of god and of creation.Lady_Antebellum: well isnt that kinda like saying "if i knew we would get divorced, i would have never married you?"Lady_Antebellum: i think he loved usjacqueline_54_1953: if he would have not taken ... he would have attained perfection and it would have remaind with him forever.. but he didn't choose the good. before he ate , he could disern ...dawidh_nz: outside the scopeSHeMABruce: VERYYY deep. There is a LOT more on that, olive.olivesnr: okSHeMABruce: later in the bookchemical_elements: "Levels of soul" are not a teaching of scripture. So, then, what ARE they a teaching of? Man "IS" a soul / creature/ nephesh, according to Genesis. Why not take occult Kabbalistic teachings to the Judaism section???SHeMABruce: There is a section on God's providence that gets into that also.SHeMABruce: laterStrider_100: better to have loved and lost than to never have loved at all dawidh_nz: thousands jacqueline_54_1953: adam you can now dawidh_nz: nothing happens in vain with God.A D A M_3: tykeepsdigging: i think its about choosing and consequences of those choices

jacqueline_54_1953: yes exactlyjacqueline_54_1953: his heart was to know GodSHeMABruce: yetzer hara (evil inclination)jacqueline_54_1953: and in all mistakes , it never stopped him from teshuva and try againiguana_8: we can do it but now its the hard wayBlkPraiseAngel: will miss the rest of the teaching, night allchemical_elements: "And the LORD GOD formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and man BECAME a living soul." Genesis 2:7 Sabbathkeeper: night angelkeepsdigging: for as long as we live we have the opportunity to turn to HIMjacqueline_54_1953: adam now you have stopped me from whispering to you lolA D A M_3: oh?Isibel: Yes exactlyiguana_8: ??What is the Hebrew word there for "earning"??dawidh_nz: imagine going to work, working for 1 second and getting paid a trilion dollars... that's how our God rewards us for our efforts.olivesnr: it make sence brucejacqueline_54_1953: adam had two equal opposites.. one was body and one was soul...keepsdigging: that statement was ecclesiasticalSHeMABruce: rightjacqueline_54_1953: his enivornment contained both good and eviljacqueline_54_1953: and he knew the balanceSHeMABruce: terminology means different things to different peoplejacqueline_54_1953: it was after he ate . he lost the balancejacqueline_54_1953: his body overcame the soul. instead of the soul overcoming the bodySHeMABruce: yessherryr: "work out your salvation with fear and trembling"Taz_Aharon: 4warriorofyeshua: shalom XBritecjj israel_1: a lot of times our bodies will take over our soul in different wayschemical_elements: Which is true ... the sixty six books of scripture of Moshe Chaim Luzzatto? ... because the two are not in alignment. (?) Rabbinical literature is basically occult and a departure from GOD'S truth from HIS Word.HaMekane: hey warriorjacqueline_54_1953: yes , this is why adam was placed in the garden. he was not created in the garden..A D A M_3: before he failed..... it was balence..... cept the woman given to him kind of made it off-balencejacqueline_54_1953: two worlds..SHeMABruce: This week's torah portion is Bereshis - Genesis 1:1 >>>cjj israel_1: is this teaching of kaballah?YehoshuaBA: chemical: you don't understand what you are saying. please listen and learnjacqueline_54_1953: one was outside the garden and the other one was in the

garden chemical_elements: yes, this is kabbalistic teachingWesleyismyname: no cjjwarriorofyeshua: 2

luminous_spirit: shalom cjj A D A M_3: sound is goodwarriorofyeshua: uh. did she drop the mic???cjj israel_1: shalom luminousTaz_Aharon: 1SHeMABruce: Please refrain from text or comments UNLESS they are directly specific to the discussion.BenYisrael: 1YehoshuaBA: chemical: Torah based kaballah, not occultismchemical_elements: Yehoshua, thanks, but I'll leave out of respect. This is not the truth.jacqueline_54_1953: nope youngin she didn't dawidh_nz: what i find rich is when people discard the rabbinical oral law... but then make up their own oral law that's when worse.SHeMABruce: sad how people call something untrue without ever even hearing it.Wesleyismyname: indeed brucewarriorofyeshua: Bruce, believing in Sola scritpura all ones life can do that.....keepsdigging: if it goes against scripture i consider it untruerenkablue: are we now suppose to attain perfection?cjj israel_1: amen keepsdavidebyrum: jacqueline_54_1953: keeps ,, i am reading the book she is discussing and nothing I have read is going against scripture so fardawidh_nz: there's no such thing as sola scripture... people always add.. it's impossible not to...Taz_Aharon: yes we are to attain perfectionTaz_Aharon: thats our goalkeepsdigging: thats good jacwarriorofyeshua: HEY!!! hows it going davide???keepsdigging: i dont have the book and this is the first time i came in to listenkeepsdigging: so i really dont know whats going onrenkablue: does the book tell us how to obtain perfectionKosherSue: Here is where I would like to say that the role of the Messiah was to bring back to the world that original balance --Shaul saying that Jeshua was the second Adam--now we have the chance of striving for perfection.SHeMABruce: Aside from Scripture, keeps, it is among the best books ever written. You should get it.luminous_spirit: come sit ova here with me on the "don't know" couch keeps jacqueline_54_1953: our goal is to have our body and soul attain perfection. not one and not the otherkeepsdigging: lol luminouscjj israel_1: lol luminousYehoshuaBA: keeps, please listen and learn. you will appreciate the Bible more as you do.

Taz_Aharon: the soul is already perfectjacqueline_54_1953: yes taz. our goal is to get our body to that same place as the soulluminous_spirit: i wish my book would hurry up n get here.. cos this stuff is pretty deep.. and kinda abstract jacqueline_54_1953: so the soul and body can both be perfectTaz_Aharon: right jacYehoshuaBA: you can learn more about this study at: www.yashanet.com/derechA D A M_3: it is the souls function to think.....whats left for the body?keepsdigging: to act adamkeepsdigging: what else?A D A M_3: how does it act without thoughts?Richard-RFS: www.richard-2782.com/poem212.htm Women Are Bad, Sinners. NOTE: only by reading the poem can the title be understood <<< THE WISE READ WHILST THE IGNORANT REMAIN IGNORANTAlert: Richard-RFS reddotted by: SHeMABruceluminous_spirit: boy Richard you sure get around.. keepsdigging: richard no worse than men keepsdigging: lolAlert: ====SECURITY BULLETIN!=======Paltalk will never send emails with attachments! NEVER open any attachemnts unless you are absolutely sure they are free of viruses and trojans! DONT BE FOOLED by fake 'support' letters or surveys that claim to be from PalTalk! PalTalk will NEVER request personal informaion in an email unless YOU contact us with a problem with your account first. Always check the header of any email that claims it is coming from PalTalk.SHeMABruce: Richard-RFS was bounced from the room by SHeMABruce. If you want to learn more about the rules for this room, read the room rules on the groups page or contact the owner: BEHANUluminous_spirit: Richard has a potty mouth tookeepsdigging: it wasnt until adam sinned that mankind fell .... think about thatjacqueline_54_1953: adam your soul is what is getting the body to become perfect.. not the other way around.. the body has to be lifted up .. not the soul... the soul is already there... it is your body that needs to be perfectedrenkablue: body perfection....is that the same as "model's body"?keepsdigging: lol renwarriorofyeshua: renk, depends ont he model. lololluminous_spirit: warrior.. and hence.. why we're where we're at today Taz_Aharon: the body doesnt have a mindSHeMABruce: that's PART of the soulSHeMABruce: the soul is our "ego"Taz_Aharon: the body has no mindWesleyismyname: it carries the soulIsibel: may I gocjj israel_1: how doesnt the body have a mind???cjj israel_1: the brain is an organSHeMABruce: the "mind" is our "soul" somewhatSHeMABruce: our egoSHeMABruce: but it is only a lower part of our actual "spirit"Taz_Aharon: no the body have a BRAINTaz_Aharon: not a Mind

cjj israel_1: it can use discernment given by the Holy SpiritSHeMABruce: right taz. The mind is not the brainjacqueline_54_1953: yes exacltyjacqueline_54_1953: exactlyTaz_Aharon: holy spirit does not speak to the bodyTaz_Aharon: it speaks to the souljacqueline_54_1953: yes tazSHeMABruce: the brain is simply the biological mechanism in which our mind tends to reside and that our mind uses to control the bodywarriorofyeshua: that's a good analagy... our body is the avatar of the neshemaA D A M_3: your saying how you use the "car"..body,...... you can santifice it?olivesnr: is the soul and spirit are the same thing?SHeMABruce: no oliveSHeMABruce: the spirit has levelsolivesnr: then what is our soul and what is spirit?Lady_Antebellum: i think thats it....she just said...the soul is now ASSOCIATED with the body....when its supposed to be associated with GodSHeMABruce: we have a "carnal" nature and a heavenly naturerenkablue: does this relate to "out of body experiences" ??Taz_Aharon: our bodies contain a soulA D A M_3: kolivesnr: can some one tell me where is the spirit?Taz_Aharon: the spirit is not our ownTaz_Aharon: but the soul we are given from YHVHolivesnr: how taz?SHeMABruce: we should wait until sections are covered, imhokeepsdigging: olive the bible says that when we die the spirit returns to YHVH who gave itIsibel: YesTaz_Aharon: the spirit is the breathe of YHVTaz_Aharon: YHVHTaz_Aharon: the Soul though is given to uswarriorofyeshua: yea Bruce. lololluminous_spirit: Taz: how did you come to that conclusion?Isibel: I dont like using that termIsibel: soulA D A M_3: okTaz_Aharon: right bruceolivesnr: yes but taz i though soul and spirit is the samerenkablue: do we need for all mankind to become perfect before the return of MessiahTaz_Aharon: i dont believe they are the sameIsibel: I agree but ty JaquelineIsibel: Yesjacqueline_54_1953: lol told again to just sit and listen lolbarshalomway2: amaynwarriorofyeshua: we are having studiesAlert: Radical Moderate reddotted by: Isibel

lerine360: that book is the only one in the subject...???warriorofyeshua: who gives a crap???warriorofyeshua: not mewarriorofyeshua: lololLevEchad: what a nut barSHeMABruce: barely beat me to the punchTaz_Aharon: are the soul ad spirit the same thingwarriorofyeshua: he left after dotjacqueline_54_1953: Isibel so you would rather use. .spiritual and not soul? just so I understand Isibel: Taz it depends on how you are applying themIsibel: Yesjacqueline_54_1953: got youA D A M_3: it says our spirit was formed.........Taz_Aharon: so the soul is A spirit?Taz_Aharon: correct?warriorofyeshua: k, I'm going use an aramaic word for soul and translate that... qnoma.. it means underlying substanceSHeMABruce: That's because, olive, in our current state the "spirit" is difficult to truly feel. It has been suppressed by the change that occurred after Adam.jacqueline_54_1953: I think sometimes this confuses some .. the soul and spirit .. but you see it as the same... for the soul is the connection with God , and the body is trying to reach to that connection to God?olivesnr: okSHeMABruce: Olive, do you have the book yet?olivesnr: not yet bruceTaz_Aharon: so what we do in life effects all of creationolivesnr: i have called to orderSHeMABruce: It will help DRAMATICALLY, olive, when you get the book.luminous_spirit: i hope so Bruce, cos this stuff sure is deep and abstract without itluminous_spirit: SHeMABruce: ruggtSHeMABruce: rightjacqueline_54_1953: yesolivesnr: i think to bruceGrave -Digger: Judaism? who founded Judaism?SHeMABruce: right. Unfortunately, traditional "christian" bias is what makes the soul/spirit thing so difficult. The error of understanding in christianity causes the problem. imhorenkablue: Is mankind going to do the "work" it is not G_d that will do the redemptioncjj israel_1: does this room believe Yeshua is God in the flesh?warriorofyeshua: hi yahshebawarriorofyeshua: uh.. cjj, that's not the scope of this roomwarriorofyeshua: it's a study roomTaz_Aharon: can we stick on the study?

Grave -Digger: moses have Nothing to do with so called " JudaismAlert: Grave -Digger reddotted by: SHeMABruceTwinkleInHisEye: yes they had to work the land among other thingsTaz_Aharon: man, can we stay on topic?righteous_one: this room there's alotta people in this room

TwinkleInHisEye: they really did us a disservice

keepsdigging: hey sheba

warriorofyeshua: Bruce, you may want to do something to Grave-Digger Taz_Aharon: people need to read the room titleTaz_Aharon: right isibelSHeMABruce: i am just keeping him quiet. The reddot will NOT be removedTaz_Aharon: draw hm awaycjj israel_1: just want to know if the perspective comes from Yeshua is the way, truth and the lightSHeMABruce: later cjjRebbe Naftoli: hello StephenRebbe Naftoli: Strider_100warriorofyeshua: hey, I was just reading that in an article on this shabbat's parasha at breslov.comesse_quam_videri: Hi, IsibelA D A M_3: low......esse_quam_videri: 1keepsdigging: 1TwinkleInHisEye: 1Wesleyismyname: 1Isibel: very softA D A M_3: very lowyahsheba: lowLevEchad: LOWTaz_Aharon: 1TwinkleInHisEye: tiny voicekeepsdigging: sound is good hereyahsheba: still lowesse_quam_videri: ask MarxiyahTaz_Aharon: lowwwSHeMABruce: Everyone... AGAIN>>> We are discussing a specific excellent book. All questions or comments must be specific to the discussion. There is only ONE topic >>>> The book being discussedwarriorofyeshua: about using the material things to connect to HaShem, and bring the world closer to HaShem.Binah_ve_daat: good herejacqueline_54_1953: yes Isibel. I have met past alcoholic that no longer drink

now able to work behind a bar and not have the inclination to drink esse_quam_videri: askMarciyahwarriorofyeshua: and that everything has sparks of the divine in them...jacqueline_54_1953: the evil that G-d only knew about marciyah. is what I am

understandingTaz_Aharon: tree of knowledge of good and eviljacqueline_54_1953: man didn't know that type of evil. only G-d didesse_quam_videri: there was no evil in the Garden of Eden initially, before Eve partook of the forbidden fruitSHeMABruce: darkness (evil) is the absence of light (God)A D A M_3: if now perfect.... its called a sort of evilTaz_Aharon: satan was in the gardenTaz_Aharon: evil was in the gardenrighteous_one: funny you said sparks cause I feel the holy spirit in sparksjacqueline_54_1953: G-d didn't want them to know the darkness of himself. only the light of himselfSHeMABruce: to the extent that God's light is absent, evil dominateskeepsdigging: YHVH told adam to "keep watch " over the garden , man failed to do itMarciyah: who created the tree?Rebbe Naftoli: Reb Nachman has the most useful teachings in Judaism regarding Yeshuluminous_spirit: now THAT i understand Bruce .. finally there's something i get lolTaz_Aharon: rebbe dont use that nameTaz_Aharon: thats an insultAlert: Rebbe Naftoli reddotted by: SHeMABruceSHeMABruce: rebbe, we are not ignorant of your evil motive with your use of "yeshu"esse_quam_videri: Evilw as in the Garden but had no effect on Adam and Eve before they ate the forbidden fruit. After they ate the fruit, they became,for the first time aware of the presence of evilrighteous_one: He allows us to serve him jacqueline_54_1953: this is why man must die and everything else that corrupted himkeepsdigging: if that were even possible there would have been no need for Yehsua to come, would there?jacqueline_54_1953: must perish alsorighteous_one: cause he can use the stonesesse_quam_videri: Hi Luminous Spirit; I am wharf rat and Lt warfesse_quam_videri: Hi Maggie; I am Lt Warfolivesnr: good point bruceTaz_Aharon: good point bruceTaz_Aharon: very good pointolivesnr: i didnt think about thatluminous_spirit: ok warfrat/esse.. lol.. man what made ya pick THAT for a nic?? lolTwinkleInHisEye: questions you have now, will be answered in due course within the readingTwinkleInHisEye: i have foundSHeMABruce: atonmentesse_quam_videri: Hi,just Miranda

SHeMABruce: atonementBen IEUE: shalomjacqueline_54_1953: this is why getting the book like bruce and i have and some others. these questions you have . are answered as you read the bookjacqueline_54_1953: so when isibel brings something up . you will not go .. ohh I am confused lolTwinkleInHisEye: jacque yepSHeMABruce: Remember, at this point in the book/discussion, BASIC foundational concepts are being established. Those concepts are built upon LATER in the book.esse_quam_videri: esse_quam_videri is Latin,meaning "to be rather than to seem"olivesnr: wb mirandaolivesnr: lolMarciyah: you might?Marciyah: lolTaz_Aharon: lol

esse_quam_videri: HiMaggieJust_Miranda: esse SHeMABruce: Rebbe, I will undot you, but do NOT using insulting terminology regarding Yeshua.Alert: Rebbe Naftoli unreddotted by: SHeMABruceesse_quam_videri: How meaningful, Isibeljacqueline_54_1953: I draw to friends who have integrity .. I have many aquaintences .. but when they are a friend . they have integrity to admit when they are wrong and when they are right to stand on it... these are the types of people I cling to . not self righteous. .but that righteousness has

integrity esse_quam_videri: Isibel,may I add you?olivesnr: serving here dosent mean we are do some thing for GdSHeMABruce: Patience is required as BASICS are established. They are essential for later understanding.olivesnr: doingesse_quam_videri: God does not need our service, but He does desire our loveRebbe Naftoli: thank you for removing the dot sir....no offense was intendedesse_quam_videri: yes,Isibelesse_quam_videri: Isibel, may I add your name to friends list?SHeMABruce: exactly isibelRebbe Naftoli: Strider are you still in the room?esse_quam_videri: Thanks for the wise words, isibelStrider_100: i am in room A D A M_3: each born for and with a purposeTwinkleInHisEye: oh thats goodIsibel: exactlyRebbe Naftoli: IM me pleaseTaz_Aharon: when i saw that bruceA D A M_3: blessed is the one who knows that purpose

Taz_Aharon: my eyes openedTaz_Aharon: my eyes were opened manIsibel: Im not sure how late the room is scheduledIsibel: Go ahead olveIsibel: Oliverighteous_one: tofu taste goodSHeMABruce: isibelLady_Antebellum: lol righteous....depending on what you cook it witheliana batyah: shalom larryesse_quam_videri: SHEMABruce...I do not reject you, SirSHeMABruce: she knows more than me. LOTS MORE! jacqueline_54_1953: could have fooled me Taz_Aharon: is the study over?Truth Yes: shalom batyah how are you fealingeliana batyah: betterMarciyah: Olive when you live something you have something to offer it is not about book reading knowlegejacqueline_54_1953: time for me to leave. thank you isibel. I enjoyed this better than the first session. I hope each session gets better so it keeps my

interest shalom eveyrone TwinkleInHisEye: shalom jacqueeliana batyah: shalom jacqesse_quam_videri: luminous, what I have so far heard is edifying and dear to mine earsrighteous_one: if two or three would go in the board ways and speakTaz_Aharon: shalom jacBinah_ve_daat: ty isibel l`hitolivesnr: very niceolivesnr: good answer esse_quam_videri: what do you mean, righteous one?Isibel: As in a tzaddik?esse_quam_videri: what is a tzaddik?YehoshuaBA: a righteous onerighteous_one: I mean two or three together teaching and preaching the same messagelerine360: a destiny.....warriorofyeshua: okie dokie... we got Rebbe something and Hank MccOY IN THE SAME ROOM

esse_quam_videri: what, specifically is the topic?Taz_Aharon: lolSHeMABruce: esse, the topic is the book...."The Way of God"lerine360: is like darth vader told luke....."if thats your destiny..."TwinkleInHisEye: esse .... the book The Way of GodSHeMABruce: please note the "greeter" messageYehoshuaBA: esse: the topic is the book Derech HaShemTwinkleInHisEye: as Behanu keeps posting, lol

esse_quam_videri: Thanks SHeMABruce

warriorofyeshua: esse, it's a study on a very kosher book on the Basics of Torah as understood in the Orthodox jewish perspectiveesse_quam_videri: I am interested in this book, "The Way of God"Marciyah: Olive his command to me show me what his heart is like and it show his character .......His like and dislikes, and it show us what he "looks like"SHeMABruce: Esse, it is an OUTSTANDING!!!! book.warriorofyeshua: esse, here is a page that has more detail about the study www.yashanet.com/derechesse_quam_videri: thanks Warriorfor your kindnesslerine360: is like a diamong becoming shaped by time .....until you realize whats your purpose in life.........SHeMABruce: some people may not understand the term "bell curve."esse_quam_videri: So, does it sound SHeNABrucewarriorofyeshua: ROFLesse_quam_videri: SHeMABruceSHeMABruce: visualize a "bell" shaped curve (like a big hill)esse_quam_videri: thanksSHeMABruce: rightRabbiGrace: most people dont worship the germanic pagan demon yahwaySHeMABruce: that's a good analogy (bell curve). Never really thought of it like thatRabbiGrace: only jesus is the way of salvationAlert: RabbiGrace reddotted by: SHeMABrucelerine360: some people dont know what he is until a proper time ... life can teach you who you will become.........Taz_Aharon: grace are you a roman catholic?warriorofyeshua: Hank, this ain't a room to missionizeesse_quam_videri: What think Ye of jesus; whom say ye that Jesus is?SHeMABruce: Please obey the greeter message. Keep comments ON TOPIC.lerine360: walking with god could be chalenging in a world that dont understand him.........warriorofyeshua: yea, the only one allowed to "preach" is the teacher... lololIsibel: LOLesse_quam_videri: which person is the teacher?lerine360: only you decide that challenge.......eliana batyah: isibel is the teacherTwinkleInHisEye: yes, no hurling pleaseTaz_Aharon: isibel is the teacherlerine360: to be an ordinary person to a righteous one.......Taz_Aharon: its soo hard to stay on topicTaz_Aharon: i wish we couldesse_quam_videri: Thank you Eliana batyahlerine360: jesus decided as others people to challenge that love with hashem........A D A M_3: topic has many doorways......Meir Kahane: jesus is goal of torah he alone is hashem in human formSHeMABruce: He has another book, "The Path of the Just" that

discusses righteousness furtherolivesnr: yes plseliana batyah: yes pleaselerine360: Meir Kahane: jesus was perfectionlerine360: jesus loved so much his purpose....SHeMABruce: please do NOT seek to evangelize. keep comments on topiclerine360: jesus faith was so strong.........Meir Kahane: he who knew no sin became sin for his creation and thus redeemed the worldChaviva7: Teshuv Chaviva7: yes Chaviva7: right Taz_Aharon: what about the flood isibel?A D A M_3: according to this timeline.... where do you think we are now?Rebbe Naftoli: it amazes me that people today have no manners and completely disregard the wishes of the hosts of the rooms they enterWesleyismyname: shalom kalkalmotzah: shalom wesleySHeMABruce: we are used to it, rebbe. but you are correct.Meir Kahane: sounds like a shabbatean heresyonly jesus can set you free from slavery to torahdavidebyrum: no kidden rebbe...they are rude...Alert: Meir Kahane reddotted by: SHeMABrucebenyonah1: slavery to Torah???KosherSue: take the opportunity to control your flesh.Rebbe Naftoli: rudeness is pandemic I fearChaviva7: I would rather be a slave to the Torah than a slave to Torah Wesleyismyname: i dont find torah to be a burdenChaviva7: whoops Chaviva7: I meant slave sin lerine360: we are walk with god...it is that we dont want to hear him........benyonah1: lol, chavivaChaviva7: sorry miswrote A D A M_3: chaviva..... start overSabbathkeeper: lol kosher suesherryr: It's a shame Meir Kahane has nothing better to do with his time than try to disrupt othersChaviva7: lol yeah adam esse_quam_videri: rudeness is not only pandemic but endemic to human natureSHeMABruce: Admin note: PLEASE try to refrain from texting so that others will not be distracted from the specific discussion.lerine360: god perhape designed a plan with each individual for a purpose....you are like you are because of this plan predetermined.........Chaviva7: afk listening

lerine360: to change his plan...you just ask him and do it happen....... keepsdigging: what nights do you have this study?

Irv Ruben: get this qabbalistic tripe out of the christianity section this section is for those that exalt jesus the living god onlySHeMABruce: Wednesday nightskeepsdigging: okWesleyismyname: nine pm easternesse_quam_videri: is jesus the Lamb of God that takes away the sin of the world?davidebyrum: admin...irv...SHeMABruce: that is not the current topic, esse.Alert: Irv Ruben reddotted by: SHeMABruceesse_quam_videri: it seems fairly relevantSHeMABruce: thanks daviddavidebyrum: welcome...davidebyrum: esse...we have to stay focused one topic at a time...we will get to it...please be patientSHeMABruce: yes david. exactlyesse_quam_videri: Thanks,Daviddavidebyrum: welcom esse...SHeMABruce: "Ramchal" is an acronym for the author's name >> "Rabbi Moshe Chaim Luzzatto"Isibel: LOL Isibel: Yes exactlyIsibel: That is the function of the RuachIsibel: the spritual dranoIsibel: ;p;Isibel: lolA D A M_3: we are not an islandTaz_Aharon: lololTwinkleInHisEye: good analogyTaz_Aharon: yesTruth Yes: yes man can distroy the earth or protect it living god way or man wayTaz_Aharon: everything we do effects creation itselfTaz_Aharon: 12 men changed the worldTaz_Aharon: think about it Taz_Aharon: they effected all of creationTaz_Aharon: for all timeTaz_Aharon: 12 menSHeMABruce: yes taz. indeedTaz_Aharon: there are 6 billion+ people on this planetkeepsdigging: 13 tazkeepsdigging: dont forget #1SHeMABruce: "Dualism" does existsdavidebyrum: i would have a hard time meditating for an hour alone 23 hours...Taz_Aharon: soul is perfect, body is carnelTaz_Aharon: carnalTaz_Aharon: totall oppositesTaz_Aharon: i think Paul talked about this very issue constantlySHeMABruce: Yes Taz. Paul was VERY kabbalistic and would have

accepted Ramchal's ideology completely.Taz_Aharon: yes brue, Paul spoke of this 1800 yrs before ramchal didTaz_Aharon: bruceSHeMABruce: Note that! "Soul was ... created for the very purpose of purifying the body..."YehoshuaBA: ySHeMABruce: yesSHeMABruce: 11 eastern timeluminous_spirit: if the soul was created at the same time as the body (originally perfect), how could the purpose of the soul be to PURIFY the body?? i'm confusedA D A M_3: soul(spirit)luminous_spirit: say what????luminous_spirit: nm.. i'll wait for the bookSHeMABruce: the 'soul' was PLACED in the bodySHeMABruce: it already existedclearjr: did we always exist?luminous_spirit: i think i need a kindergarten version of this class lolSHeMABruce: not "eternally" because we had a beginningA D A M_3: but the spirits flow can be blocked by the deeds of the body.SHeMABruce: "eternal" means NO BEGINNING or endSHeMABruce: yesluminous_spirit: ok, i'm going to stay silent the rest of the class.. and read the book when i get it.. this is way over my headSHeMABruce: it is much easier when you have the book. As I listen it does sound confusing, but reading the book makes it seem sooooo much easier.luminous_spirit: that's my goal Bruce .. my book is just taking too longA D A M_3: can read.....and reread....... and reread SHeMABruce: yes adam, exactlyluminous_spirit: and for ME.. would most likely NEED to lolSHeMABruce: you can titilate us a bit if you wish. lolTwinkleInHisEye: I will be re-reviewing, my brain is somewhat overwhelmed right now.Chaviva7: what is the name of the book Isabel? luminous_spirit: can you repeat that Isibel? you wanted to know where _____? came from??A D A M_3: the way of GODwarriorofyeshua: hey ChavivaChaviva7: ok ty Adam SHeMABruce: I was an idiot. I had the book sitting on my shelf for years collecting dust and got bored enough to finally pick it up. lolChaviva7: hey warrior

warriorofyeshua: Chaviva, the name of the book is the name of the room. lololwarriorofyeshua: Derech HaShemSHeMABruce: ohhhh yes!Chaviva7: duh .. lol ty warrior warriorofyeshua: ROFLSHeMABruce: yep. page 123. actually begins on page 121 i thinkChaviva7: yes absolutely Chaviva7: you know that is what the pekei avos speaks of a lot too clearjr: when did moshe chaim luzzatto live?SHeMABruce: hahaLady_Antebellum: LOL ISABELTwinkleInHisEye: i hear ya sisterSHeMABruce: think "yeshua" as she reads thisChaviva7: yes Isaiah 53Truth Yes: yes bruce Chaviva7: the suffering servant SHeMABruce: "the suffering of a righteous person,..." (yeshua the messiah) DOES accomplish stuff. That's even taught in Judaism!Chaviva7: yes it really is bruce SHeMABruce: Now it REALLY gets good!luminous_spirit: wait.. i need 3 more years on fundamentals.. in THIS class lolluminous_spirit: Wesleyismyname: thank you isibel and behanuCetura: it's not confusing at all!!!

sherryr: Thank YOU so much Isibel olivesnr: thnks isibel Isibel: Thank you so mucholivesnr: thnks behanuA D A M_3: with a book.....i can use my stop finger Isibel: I missed so much the first time Ive read itluminous_spirit: you do a wonderful job Isibel.. and such a lovely voice too Isibel: I really didolivesnr: it was blassing isibleeliana batyah: thank you so much isibel and behanuolivesnr: uv done a good job isibelYehoshuaBA: Peter said that Paul was hard to understandChaviva7: lol yeppers Isibel: lolclearjr: most christians i think would be bothered by the belief that jesus is not divineChaviva7: it sure is Chaviva7: right Bruce olivesnr: what is kubala?Isibel: KabbalahChaviva7: Kabbalah

BEHANU: Queen Madonna Quabala

A D A M_3: olive.... finish this book first Chaviva7: new age stuff mixed warriorofyeshua: ROFL BEHANUIsibel: means in hebrew to recieve and its a method of interpretation of Scriptureolivesnr: sorry i don't know the spllingolivesnr: oh come on adam lolWesleyismyname: the root of the word kabbalah is kabal, which means to recieveBEHANU: FYI - All info is at www.yashanet.com/derechA D A M_3: one step at a time....... works for me Chaviva7: ty Behanu TwinkleInHisEye: thank you Isibel ... i enjoy the studies and appreciate your clarificationolivesnr: i just want to know what is kabbalah?TwinkleInHisEye: sleepy time ........ Shalom AllIsibel: Shalomluminous_spirit: sweet dreams Twinluminous_spirit: kBEHANU: All info on this class/project is at www.yashanet.com/derechlass/project - including links to the audio files and some discussion boards you can engage inBEHANU: sorry- wrong link FYI - All info is at www.yashanet.com/derechCetura: olive...google it!!!!! SHeMABruce: rightSHeMABruce: me too isibeSHeMABruce: lolivesnr: is it a book?A D A M_3: kabbalah is way of study...... many different viewsCetura: olive it takes a lifetime of studySHeMABruce: Olive. Kabbalah is the deepest understanding of torah.Malachi and Bat-YAH: Please give an example of Kabbalah insercion within the new testament ,Please,?SHeMABruce: the deepest you can goolivesnr: okBEHANU: Matthew chapter 1 BEHANU: start thereTaz_Aharon: what paul wrote, malachiTaz_Aharon: lolWesleyismyname: its the blue pillSHeMABruce: Kabbalah is the "sod" levelolivesnr: its not torah it self?YehoshuaBA: kabbalah is a mystical/aligorical study of the TorahBEHANU: It is part of Torah oliveSHeMABruce: olive. It is commentary on the torahA D A M_3: olive....... see....lots of different viewsBEHANU: Wesley - haha

olivesnr: i dont understand i will google itolivesnr: okWesleyismyname: Taz_Aharon: paltalk crashed on meTaz_Aharon: where are we at now in the study?Chaviva7: 2 A D A M_3: whats the homework?BEHANU: Folks - there are discussion boardswith more material and the chance to comment and question.... FYI - All info is at www.yashanet.com/derecholivesnr: lol adam?YehoshuaBA: Ezekiel's vision of the Throne Chariot (Merkavah) is highly kabbalistic

A D A M_3: eliana batyah: ty behanuSHeMABruce: the study is done for tonight. Just kinda hangin out now. any question?BEHANU: We will be posting more resources and other things on the web site .. FYI - All info is at www.yashanet.com/derecholivesnr: i have to wait for the bookkeepsdigging: are you saying that after adam sinned the soul had to be created?keepsdigging: and was not created when he was?BEHANU: Also ... we can have an informal chat room - continuation of this on the weekend if people like - of course you wont have isibel just her hubbyBEHANU: We will have tonites teaching on the web site in a few days - lesson 1 is already there FYI - All info is at www.yashanet.com/derechwarriorofyeshua: Path of the Just really explains what it means to "work out your salvation with fear and trempling"warriorofyeshua: trembling*A D A M_3: how is one born with out this evil to be on a path of the just?Wesleyismyname: the book is hard to put downBEHANU: This room is more about BASICS tho.keepsdigging: i suppose my q was too "stupid " for an answer?SHeMABruce: no keeps. the soul was already there.Taz_Aharon: keepseliana batyah: 1Taz_Aharon: the soul and body were in perfect harmonywarriorofyeshua: ROFLCetura: 1warriorofyeshua: bad BEHANUwarriorofyeshua: lololTaz_Aharon: before adams sinkeepsdigging: i heard someone say the soul had to be created... threw meSHeMABruce: please note keeps question a bit earlier.Isibel: www.yashanet.com/derechYehoshuaBA: it is in the process of being updatedYehoshuaBA: and the text sessionA D A M_3: the spirit of man was formed...... and given at

conception.. is this the soul?eliana batyah: i listened to lesson 1 today , it was excellentSHeMABruce: keeps, the "soul" was PLACED in the body. The body is a shell containing the soul/spirit.keepsdigging: is there a link to the first study?Isibel: www.yashanet.com/derechkeepsdigging: right bruce that is my understanding alsoolivesnr: yes plsSHeMABruce: that would be greatWesleyismyname: excellentYehoshuaBA: the Listen Now link on our site will updated shortlyolivesnr: this is one of the best room in paltalkA D A M_3: bunny trails.... is that where the grass is greener?olivesnr: yes she iswarriorofyeshua: ROFLkeepsdigging: i dont see a listen now on this siteMalachi and Bat-YAH: Thank's Folk's i will visit the web you gave .YehoshuaBA: it's thereluminous_spirit: hop hop hopwarriorofyeshua: BEHANU, you know that trying to stump a woman ALWAYS make men look stupidwarriorofyeshua: lololeliana batyah: there is one i used itluminous_spirit: lolkeepsdigging: okolivesnr: i have many quationsIsibel: www.yashanet.com/derechA D A M_3: questionskeepsdigging: found itIsibel: isibel@yashanet.comYehoshuaBA: www.yashanet.com/derech - Recorded LessonsChaviva7: yeah isibel your voice is deeper .. lol olivesnr: i wonder if isibel can help meolivesnr: but i like one on oneWesleyismyname: i have to go, thanks again behanu and isibelChaviva7: what I caught was interesting olivesnr: i can understand it better if she talks to mewarriorofyeshua: lolololivesnr: coolSHeMABruce: i gotta go folks. Another great effort isibel! bedtime. Behanu, please open a room this weekend for further discussion.Chaviva7: shalom Bruce SHeMABruce: shalomeliana batyah: shalom bruce Chaviva7: hey eliana sis SHeMABruce: baruch hashem for what was said tonightChaviva7: ((eliana)) Alert: An admin left the room: SHeMABruceolivesnr: thnks for every thing isible and behanu

warriorofyeshua: and I pretty much will bett that torahman recordedwarriorofyeshua: lololLevEchad: indeed, ty so mucholivesnr: good nighteliana batyah: (((chaviva)))eliana batyah: can ud o friwarriorofyeshua: ah, hope her play goes goodwarriorofyeshua: B"HIsibel: Her hair is black tonighteliana batyah: i wont be home satluminous_spirit: night.. shalom everyoneIsibel: Shes a blonde Isibel: Dont recognize herAsher-0_1: how much does it go into the zohar, kabbalah?olivesnr: nigth allwarriorofyeshua: it's brown most nights?LevEchad: cute, Isibel, lolIsibel: OK THANK YOU ALL -- www.yashanet.com/derech is the official link to this classIsibel: Asher - what?LevEchad: thank YOU!Asher-0_1: Moshe Chaim Luzzatto Presented from a Kabbalistic perspectivewarriorofyeshua: you want to read a mystical book by RaMCHaL, go read his book on the third temple. lololAsher-0_1: alsoAsher-0_1: thus my questionAsher-0_1: rightAsher-0_1: rightAsher-0_1: fineAsher-0_1: okAsher-0_1: TheWay of God Isibel: www.yashanet.com/derech