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Jennifer: Welcome everyone to Healing With The Masters. We’re here for a very special show tonight

with Gregg Braden, but before we start, I want to talk — do my little blurb about masters. Just as a reminder that, that word has many meanings. While we may think of masters as the wonderful guests that share their knowledge and experiences with us each week, we consider you to be the master. Each of you in this audience, you the participant, no one knows you better than you, and no one is more uniquely qualified to transform your life than you.

Today we will together discover the tools and techniques to heal, to continue to shift your life

into love and light and in the process truly make a difference on this beautiful planet. Together we are a powerful community. You matter and you can light up the world. And I think we’re going to hear a little bit about that today from our very special guest, Gregg Braden.

Gregg is a New York Times best selling author. He’s internationally renowned as a pioneer in

bridging science and spirituality. Following a vey successful career as a Computer Geologist for Phillips Petroleum in the ′70s during the energy crisis, he worked as a Senior Computer Systems Designer with Martin Marietta during the last years of the Cold War. In 1991 he became the first Technical Operations Manager for Cisco Systems where he led the development of the global support team that ensures the reliability of the Internet in its early years. In other words, Gregg has had his fingers in every single major thing that has happened in the last 20 years. And he continues to do that as he bridges science and spirituality as he uses indigenous wisdom combined with modern science to bring us the most amazing perspectives. And tonight we’re going to talk about his new book, Deep Truth: Igniting the Memory of our Origin, History, Destiny, and Fate. Very small title, Gregg.

Gregg: Well, small title for big ideas. Jennifer: That’s a big idea. First of all, Deep Truth. Did you get any feedback from people saying, “How

do you know the Deep Truth?” Gregg: You know, Jennifer — first of all, I just want to say that it’s really, really good to be back on the

program. I’m honored to be here tonight, and I’m absolutely thrilled to be with all of our existing friends, the new friends that we’re going to make in the program tonight, and to be part of this series. And I think these are priceless series. Everyone learns differently, and I think that everyone knows that something very, very unique is happening in our world today. And because we all learn differently, I think it’s just so beautiful that you have so many different authors and speakers and scholars and researchers with so many different



perspectives that help give us context and meaning and give hope and possibility to what we’re experiencing today. I’m honored and proud to be a part of that. So my experience is that our time goes so quickly, so if I don’t say that up front, it doesn’t get said.

Jennifer: Thank you so much. Well, it’s always delightful to have you and bring your great background

and wisdom to us — and heart. I mean, a scientist with heart. That’s the new paradigm, isn’t it?

Gregg: Oh, I like that. Maybe that’s the phrase that we’re looking for tonight. I don’t know. We’ll

see. Jennifer: Okay. Gregg: So the book, Deep Truth, this book came about in a very different way from books that I’ve

written in the past. Generally I choose a title that describes something that I’d like to explore and share to give meaning and hope and help to the changes that we’re all going through in our lives. This book had no title until it was almost complete. And I’d wake up in the morning and think, man, what am I going to call this book? My publisher was really asking. How can we tell people about a book that has no title? And it was — I was reading a biography by — it was about Albert Einstein, the life of Albert Einstein, who I have tremendous respect for; one of the great minds in the 20th Century. And it was in a conversation that Albert Einstein was having with a friend and colleague of his, Nobel Prize winning physicist, Niels Bohr. And the two of them were talking, Jennifer, about the nature of truth. And in the course of the conversation it was the nature of scientific truth. But what Niels Bohr said about truth in his time I felt applied so much to what’s happening today, that it had to be the title of the book.

So I’m just going to share the quote. What was happening was almost every month, new

discoveries were overturning existing ideas that science had held firmly to for a number of years. So the new discoveries became the new deep truths. And this is what Niels Bohr said. Here’s the quote. He said:

“It is the hallmark of any deep truth that its negation also becomes a deep truth.” End of quote. So he was saying the new discoveries themselves replace what we once

believed to be true about ourselves and our relationships to the world. When I saw that, I said, wow, that’s got to be the title for this new book, because it describes precisely what is happening and where we find ourselves in the world today. And when I released the book in October of 2011, one of the first things that I found was the word “truth” means a whole lot of different things to a whole lot of different people.

And they would ask me — some actually felt like it was very presumptuous of me to use this

word in the title. They said, “What gives you the right to talk about and use the word truth in the title of your book?” And when I share where it comes from, they certainly feel differently about it. But this is where we find ourselves, Jennifer. And I heard you say that you’re doing your best to preserve your voice tonight, so I’m happy for you to chime in anywhere you’d like, and I’d like to just share with our audience about why I wrote this book and where it comes from.


Jennifer: Okay, yeah, that would be great. You can interview yourself. I will chime in — Gregg: Tell me, Gregg — tell me about your life. Jennifer: Okay, that’s the top of the hour now. So I do have a question thought. Gregg: Sure. Jennifer: You talk about the single basic question that you start the whole book with is the very core of

our existence. Who are we? Gregg: Absolutely. Jennifer: I’m curious. What did you — what conclusions did you reach through the course of this book? Gregg: Well, the reason I’m asking the question first of all, the best minds of our time are telling us in

no uncertain terms that this is no ordinary time in the history of our world. Some of the things that make it unique are obvious, like climate change, like the collapse of the global economic system, the collapse of the use and the thinking of jobs, career, money, the way we’ve thought of in the past. When I looked at all of the things — the convergence of so many systems that seem to be changing and some of them are actually breaking right now. As different as they are from one another, what became very clear to me is this. The way we address what many people see as crisis of our time, the way that we solve the problems that we are being faced with right now, as different as the problems are from one another, it all comes down to the way that we think of ourselves and our relationship to ourselves; our relationship to the Earth, to the world, to one another, our relationship to the past, our relationship to the future. And the way we think of ourselves, the lens through which we see ourselves, determines how we address all of those things.

It does. It all comes down to this very deceptively simply question, Jennifer, and the question

is as individuals, who are we? As communities, as a plant — I’m sorry. As individuals, who am I? As communities and a planet, it’s who are we? The way we answer that question determines how we’re going to solve our problems. If our listeners tonight in their minds can envision an inverted pyramid so the point or the capstone is on the bottom, there is a hierarchy of thinking that sometimes consciously, sometimes subconsciously, the way that we answer the questions in this pyramid determines how we solve our problems, and how we live our lives from day to day. So I’m just going to go through the questions of life in this pyramid beginning at the very bottom.

At the very bottom of this pyramid the question is: Where does life come from? That’s the

first question. The second one is: Where does human life come from? The third one is: What is our relationship to the world? The fourth one is: What is our relationship to the past? And the fifth one is: How do we solve our problems? Do we solve them through competition and conflict or through cooperation and mutual aid?

That hierarchy, the way that we answer those questions from the bottom, determines how we

answer that question on the top. And this is where the book comes in. When I began looking at why so many systems are collapsing and breaking right now, what I began to understand is


the only systems breaking are the ones that are no longer sustainable in the presence of the changing world. And that it is the thinking and the way that we have chosen to live our lives that has led to these collapsing systems. And much of that is based on what we’ve been told about ourselves. We’ve been led to believe through a scientific paradigm in the western world, if we live in the modern world, we are all part of this thinking — consciously or subconsciously, that science has answered these basic questions. New discoveries are telling us that the answers in some cases have been incorrect; in some places they’re flat out wrong. So the new discoveries are giving us new ways to think about ourselves. That’s the good news.

The flip‐side of the good news is that those new discoveries are not being reflected in

mainstream thinking. There’s a reluctance in mainstream — mainstream media, mainstream documentaries, mainstream classrooms, mainstream textbooks. There’s a reluctance, and in some cases there’s an outright resistance, to sharing these new discoveries. So the net effect is that we’re trying to solve the greatest crisis of recorded human history through the same thinking that led to them. And our young people are being asked to solve the problems that this generation is leaving behind. They’re being confined to the thinking that led to the problems.

Now, I’m going to be very clear about this. It’s not the teacher’s fault when I talk about

classrooms. And I’ve shared this information in many parts of the world and it’s different in different parts of the world, but in the United States, each teacher is bound by a covenant to the state in which he or she teaches that determines what they can share in the classroom. So if the curricula is not approved by the school board of a particular state, even though the facts, the new discoveries are proven, they cannot be taught in the classroom. And so many teachers are bound by law to teach what simply is no longer scientific fact any longer.

So in this book what I’m doing is I’m identifying a series of discoveries. And these are peer

reviewed, scientifically accepted discoveries that are simply not making it into the mainstream. And when we embrace these new discoveries, it changes the way that we think about ourselves and our relationship to the world, and it changes the way that we go about solving problems and adapting our lives to this changing world.

The economic system that is collapsing, what does that mean for our jobs? What does it mean

for careers? What does it mean for the things that we value in terms of security? All of those questions are answered very differently in the light of the new discoveries.

So what I’d like to do, Jennifer, if we can do this quickly early in the program, lay out all of the

facts, then we can use the remainder of the program to explore those facts. If we’re taking some live calls — you and I haven’t talked about this, but in the past sometimes we take live calls. And then we can draw on this foundation that we’re building.

Jennifer: That sounds great. Yeah, I’d love to hear about the false assumptions. Gregg: So there are many false assumptions that science has made about our relationship to the

world. And even if we’re not scientists, and we don’t read scientific journals, so many of these, Jennifer, they’re deeply engrained into the way that we’ve been taught to live our lives. So it’s not that we’re taught the scientific principals per se, we’re taught to live within the confines of what these principals have meant to our parents and their generation and the


generation before that. So there are many false assumptions. What I’d like to do is identify five that I describe in the book. And I chose these five because I think these five are having probably some of the greatest impact and wreaking the greatest havoc in our lives today. So let me just go through them quickly.

The first assumption is from Charles Darwin. And it is a Darwinian assumption. And the

Darwinian assumption says that evolution explains life in general — where did life come from, and human life specifically. The problem with that assumption is the data; the facts no longer support that assumption. The physical evidence doesn’t support it. Now the new DNA evidence, we’re able to actually gather DNA from the bone marrow of beings that are believed to be our ancestors, and the DNA is showing that they’re not our ancestors. We can talk about that more if we’d like, but that’s the first assumption.

Jennifer: Wow, that’s a pretty big false assumption. Gregg: Well, they’re all big. These are all big ideas. Jennifer: Oh, my goodness. Gregg: The second assumption is with regard to civilization itself. When I was in school back in the

‘60s and ‘70s, when many of our listeners were in school and our young people in school today, who are being taught that civilization is only about 5,000 years old. That it’s a one‐time deal. That it began in the Mesopotamian Valley, ancient Samaria, for example, and it’s linear in a one‐way fashion that it’s led from less evolved to more sophisticated ways of living and that we’re at the top of the pinnacle of that sophistication today.

Again, the problem is the peer reviewed scientific data, archeological discoveries, some that

I’ve actually documented myself, are pushing that date of advanced civilization back over twice as old as what we’ve been led to believe — toward the end of the last Ice Age — advance civilizations in places like Northern Peru, four hours north of Lima; off the coast of India, the Gulf of Khambhat in India. Certainly in Turkey, Egypt — and as different as these places are from one another, there are common themes that play through all of them. And I’m going to tie into that later in the program, but that’s the second assumption.

The third assumption is with regard to physics and the way we think of our relationship to the

world that says that consciousness is somehow separate from our physical world. Some of the best minds of our time, Professor John Wheeler, Princeton University, a colleague of Albert Einstein’s. And before his death in 2008 he said, “Nothing could be further from the truth that consciousness is the missing link in the unified field theory that no one has been able to come up with.” That when we factor in consciousness out of the equation, we factor the truth of our existence right out of that equation.

And the fourth assumption is closely related to this. It says that the space between things is

empty. The space between physical things is empty. This comes from science in the late 1800s, early 1900s, and science at that time said, “If you can’t see it, and you cannot measure it, it doesn’t exist.” Well, there’s a lot of energy in the universe that simply doesn’t conform to what our equipment is looking for. And just because our machines and our devices can’t detect that energy, doesn’t mean it’s not there. So this is, of course, changing. It is still largely


taught in the classrooms today that consciousness is separate from our physical world; that we have very little impact on the world around us and on our bodies. Now, it’s changing in some progressive classrooms, but not in mainstream.

Number five is another Darwinian assumption. And it is the last in this list, but it is the one

that is probably causing the greatest problems wreaking the most havoc in our world today, and it’s an assumption that Darwin made. I’m just going to use his language. He said that nature is based upon a model of what he called himself — he called this survival of the strongest. Now, it was later interpreted as survival of the fittest, which has a whole different meaning, but Darwin himself saw the world, our world, as something that was based on what he called survival of the strongest. And while it’s last on this list, it’s the one that I’d like to begin with to go into a little bit more detail.

Jennifer: Sure. Gregg: The role that it’s playing and what’s happening in our world, and the role that it is playing in

the solutions that we’re choosing. So we just covered a lot of ground. Those are huge ideas. Jennifer: Yeah, those are really — I kind of have my mouth opened. Not only because I can’t breathe

through my nose, but because these are really significant. This is against almost everything that our educational system is now teaching us.

Gregg: This is so interesting, because scientists — let me very clear about this. The scientific

community, there is no one group of scientists. There are many groups of scientists. The scientific community, the researchers that are making discoveries, they’re doing the legwork. They’re publishing the peer‐reviewed papers that are being accepted in the scientific communities. They’re on board with — you know, different groups are on board with different discoveries. It’s the mainstream science, what we call pop‐science, the science that we see in many of the very authoritative documentaries on television, and certainly in the classrooms for the reason that I just shared. They’re the ones that are not reflecting discoveries.

One of the first questions people ask is why? Why wouldn’t we immediately share the latest

and greatest? And, you know, there are a lot of reasons for that. One of them obviously is money. There is a huge investment in perpetuating a scientific story that we have been taught and we have been steeped in for the last 100 or 150 years. It costs a lot of money to change that story. To go through and change all of the textbooks is expensive. There are teachers, professors, who have dedicated entire lifetimes, 40 or 50 years of teaching a story. And for them, if they change that story, they feel it invalidates their life’s work.

I personally don’t feel that way. What I feel is that we teach what we know based on what we

understand at the time that it is taught, and it becomes a stepping‐stone to the new discoveries that are inevitable. We know new discoveries are going to come along. And this is the beauty of science. Science can only serve us to the degree that we allow it to be a tool. We have to allow science to be the tool that it was designed to be. Science is designed to be constantly updated, constantly changed to reflect new discoveries once we know they’re true peer reviewed discoveries. Sometimes those discoveries replace what we’ve known in the past. So ego is a big part of why this isn’t being taught. And certainly there are industries and


commerce that are built upon certain scientific ways of seeing the world, and those would change.

Now, this is where context is so important. This would be important at anytime in our lives,

but not here we are a little over seven billion people on the planet facing the convergence of so many cycles of change that the best minds of our time are telling us we’ve got to figure this stuff out. Some of it we’ve got to figure out in the next 12 to 18 months. How we deal with conflict and whether not this war that’s looming in the Middle East is going to materialize. I think we all sense that’s there. I’m going to talk about that in just a minute. The economic system — the choices that we make for our global economy are going to make or break that system within the next — certainly within the next 12 months.

So when we talk about thinking differently, 12 months, 18 months, that’s not a lot of time to

change 100 years of thinking. But I think that the crises themselves are forcing us into new ways of thinking and working together so that we can find these solutions.

Jennifer: So they’re part of the catalyst system that will encourage us to find solutions. I loved your

analogy of the truck about to hit the two men crossing the road. When crisis is here we can’t do another series of analysis. That we have to move. We have to act.

Gregg: And that was the reason that I shared that analogy. What I’d like to do, Jennifer, could I go

into this number five? Jennifer: Yeah, please. Let’s dive in. Gregg: It’s actually going to take us back into some of the others. We can apply it directly to what’s

happening in our world today. What’s interesting to me is a lot of the material covered in this book; these are hot buttons here in the presidential election here in the United States this year. And when we hear people on the media giving us a story, we can think back to what we know to be the facts based on the science and on the research without the interpretation and the spin that often comes with it. So I’m just going to begin.

Number five: Nature is based on survival of the strongest is what Darwin says. It was later

interpreted as survival of the fittest. This one idea is so deeply rooted into the civilization of the modern world today. It’s rooted into the economic cycle, the economic system that’s collapsing, into the way that we do business through corporations. And the corporations themselves aren’t bad. It’s the way that they are implemented based on this idea.

So I’m just going to go back and talk about Charles Darwin a little bit. I want to be clear. I’m

not down on Darwin. I have a lot of respect for the man for this reason. Charles Darwin published his first book in 1859, and in that book he tried to answer some of the big questions of life that are in that inverted pyramid that we shared just a few moments ago. Where does life come from? Where does human life come from? How do things work here? How long have we been here? And how do we work together? Before 1859, those questions were largely answered in the realm of the religious community and the church, the Catholic Church had the answers to a lot of those big questions. So Darwin was the first scientist publically on a large scale that tried to answer those questions.


Now, I think Darwin was a good scientist and my opinion, and this is where I’m going to deviate from the science. In my opinion this is where Darwin went wrong. Darwin took observations that he himself made for some forms of life in some parts of the world, and he tried to generalize what the saw to apply to all life everywhere, including human life. And the problem is as we mentioned earlier, the facts don’t support it.

So I’m going to begin with Darwin’s first book. Many of our listeners have heard, maybe

they’ve read the book. It’s titled The Origin of Species by Means of Natural Selection. If you go to Amazon right now, that’s the way that title will read. And if you go to a bookstore that’s what you’re going to see on the outside cover. There’s more to the title, and in the 20th Century, they started printing the rest of the title inside of the book. I’d like to share that full title with our listeners, because it gives us insight into Darwin’s thinking, into his bias, into his worldview, and why he may have made some of the conclusions that he made. So I’m just going to share the full title.

The title on the outside of the book: The Origin of Species by Means of Natural Selection. If

you go to the inside of the book and the rest of the title begins with the word, or: Or the Preservation of Favored Races in the Struggle For Life.

Jennifer: Oh, my gosh. Gregg: That is a very, very — it does. It gives a whole different feel a whole different vibe. I’m going

to say it again: The Origin of Species by Means of Natural Selection or the Preservation of Favored Races in the Struggle For Life. It tells us, number one, that Darwin saw life as a struggle. And he interpreted much of what he saw through the eyes of struggle. Number two, it also tells us that he believe there were species, or what he called races, that were favored and were biologically tilted toward an outcome that would benefit them more than it would the others around them.

So it was from this perspective Darwin published his conclusions in 1859. Because he was the

first scientist his ideas were embraced quickly. They weren’t questioned very much. They were embraced quickly and they’re very deeply entrenched into the world today. So people ask me all over the world, they say, “Okay, Gregg. We get Darwin may not have been 100 percent accurate, but this is 1859, and now we’re in the 21st Century. What difference does it make?” You know, what difference could Darwin’s work possibly make in our lives today. And the answer — it’s a good question. The answer is, yes, we live in a modern world, modern civilization, but the civilization is based in principals that were developed in the late 1800s and the early 1900s. And Darwin’s ideas, his ideas of survival of the strongest, are deeply entrenched into the way that we think.

So one of the things that Darwin did, he went into the wild and he observed insects and

animals and the assumption that he made was that when he saw something happening in one little place in the wild, what he was seeing was an example of natures law that applies everywhere all of the time to everyone. So for example, he saw a species of ants, colonies of ants, larger ants that would actually capture and make slaves out of smaller colonies. They didn’t kill them. They captured them and the smaller colonies had to work for the larger colonies. Or he saw two birds in a nest that would eject a third bird from the nest if it was different from the other two, just because it was different.


So Darwin took these observations and he said they are part of a law of nature. And this is the

way that he stated the law. The law that he perceived was that we are in this world to multiply and let the strongest live and the weakest die. Let the strongest live and the weakest die. It’s a very, very dangerous way of thinking. That thinking was the basis for some of the greatest atrocities of human against human in the 20th Century. And I’m not saying that Darwin intended that, but because he posed this as science, it was easy to take his ideas and twist and distort them into some of the genocides of the 20th Century. For example, Hitler paraphrased Darwin’s work, but never even gave Darwin credit. It said, this justifies us finding inferior members of our community and eliminating inferior members.

Chairman Mao did give Darwin credit. Chairman Mao said, “Look, these are scientific

principals, and for that reason it gives us the right to eliminate inferior members of our species.” Survival of the strongest. The economic system that’s breaking right now is based upon this principal; survival of the strongest. The corporate system that so many people are so very upset with now. It’s not the system that’s bad. It’s the way that it’s implemented; the thinking and the greed behind the system.

So I’m just giving examples. This is why it’s so important to embrace the new discoveries that

our lives are rooted in, and the new discoveries — here’s the good news. The new discoveries, over 400 peer reviewed studies in the late part of the 20th Century were exploring Darwin’s ideas of survival of the strongest and in competition. They all asked exactly the same question. What’s the optimum amount of competition in any environment? And all of them came back with exactly the same number. The number is zero. They said, always, always, always, in the classroom, in the playing field, in the family, in the workplace, competition, the optimum amount is zero, because competition always hurts the individual. It always hurts the community. Nature is based upon a model of cooperation, what’s called mutual aid, not competition. Now, competition obviously happens, violent competition, but it’s not the model. It’s not the rule that nature has been based upon.

Jennifer: In what circumstances does competition happen? Gregg: I’m going to just take a breather here and I was to talk just for a minute about competition,

because there are different kinds of competition. So the kind that we’re talking about is violent competition. This isn’t a friendly game of checkers or a game of soccer. This is the kind of competition where one person or an individual or a group or a community or an entity benefits at the expense of another by exploiting the weaknesses of another. That’s one kind of competition. There’s another kind of competition where an individual excels because they have developed their abilities to their greatest degree and in that development their way of working or doing things makes the other ways obsolete or the ways of the past obsolete. So it’s a competition through excellence rather than a competition through exploitation.

Jennifer: So it’s like best practices versus exploiting weaknesses. Gregg: Absolutely. So we all — I grew up in Missouri in the ‘60s, and I remember every Sunday

afternoon television there wasn’t a lot on. And I remember my dad used to watch, maybe our listeners remember this, my dad used to watch a program called Wild Kingdom.


Jennifer: Yeah, I remember that. Gregg: Sponsored by a company called Mutual of Omaha Insurance. And it seemed like every week

the program would end the same. There would be some poor animal drinking in the river, like a wildebeest or something, and a lion comes from out of the jungle and rips his throat out and tears him into pieces and we were led to believe that nature is a very violent place and it’s every animal out for itself. And the reassuring voice would come on, “Mutual of Omaha — protect your family.” You know? And it’s easy for us to think that nature works that way.

I want to share — a very prestigious journal, New Scientist, April of 2008, Michael Le Page

produced a very controversial article based on new scientific discoveries. And this is a quote. What he said is, this is a direct quote: “What we see in the wild is not every animal for itself. Cooperation is an incredibly successful survival strategy. And when cooperation breaks down, the results can be disastrous.” What he’s saying is that competition and violence as we all know it does happen under some circumstances, but it is an aberration of the natural law that appears to be the framework of nature itself. When I first heard this, I said, you know this is very different from what I was taught.

Jennifer: It feels so true, Gregg, you know. I just — as I’m hearing you say these words, my heart is

opening and exploding with possibilities. Gregg: It feels true for this reason. I’m going to invite our listeners to just think about this. If you

want to see how deep this natural law goes, in a beautiful example we need to look no further than the body that houses the consciousness that’s listening to this broadcast. We are told now, biologists and my dear spiritual brother, colleague and friend, Dr. Bruce Lipton, I just love him. He’s such a beautiful and brilliant man. In his book, The Biology of Belief he tells us that the average human body is made actually of a community of about 50 trillion cells. And every one of those cells must work in cooperation and harmony and mutual aid with the other cells in the body for us to be healthy, vital, and productive human beings. And when cooperation breaks down in our bodies, we call it disease. We get sick, and if it goes far enough, we lose the very thing that we cherish the most and that’s life itself.

So at the very basis of life within the human body we see that cooperation is the model that

must be in place. It’s not the model — we don’t see every cell out there fighting for superiority with every other cell.

Jennifer: The liver won. The liver won. Gregg: Exactly, exactly. So when I really began to embrace how deep this model goes, it became very

clear what you’re saying is true. It does feel true. And you asked a very good question, Jennifer, and now I can answer the question. My statement was that competition, violent competition, does happen under some circumstances in response to certain circumstances. It’s not the model. And the question is what are those circumstances?

What researchers have found is that competition — violent competition that beings, whether

they’re animals or whether they’re humans, we will betray our truest nature of cooperation and mutual aid when we are faced with one or some combination of three conditions. So the first condition is when we feel personally threatened we will betray our truest nature and lash


out in a violent response or competition — when we feel personally threatened. Number two is when we feel our families are threatened. Number three is when we feel our way of life is threatened.

So if we really want to get to the bottom of the mystery of what’s happening in places like the

Middle East or anywhere where we’re seeing violent competition and revolution, if we look closely and we’re honest with ourselves, generally one, at least one and often all three of those conditions, are present. People feel that they are threatened, their families are threatened, and their way of life is being threatened. So while it’s easy to watch the 6:00 news and say we live in a violent world, that may be accurate for this moment in history, it’s not the model that nature is based upon.

Now where this gets very interesting and ties back into some of the other false assumptions,

I’m going to now take this back into number two. Number two was about civilization itself. We now know that civilization — modern advanced civilization; examples of it date back over twice as old as the 5,000 years that we’re being led to believe. In Gobekli Tepe, Turkey is now the oldest peer reviewed scientifically accepted site on Earth today. It’s dating about 11,300 to 11,500 years before the present time. That’s pushing this civilization back to the end of the last Ice Age, and they haven’t even gotten to the bottom of the excavation. It will go even deeper. And they suspect that it will probably go back around 13,000 years before the present. That site is the oldest. Gobekli Tepe is the oldest.

Another site in Turkey, Catalhoyuk is now being dated around 9,000 to 10,000 years old. A city

off the coast of India, submerged under 120 feet of water. It’s five miles long and two miles wide. It’s a huge city, now dated about 9,500 years before present. Again, right around the end of the last Ice Age. A site that I personally have documented in northern Peru, four miles north of Lima, that now is the oldest civilization in all of the Americas. It should be in all of the textbooks. It’s older than anything in the Maya, or the Aztec, or the Inca, or the Olmec.

These sites, if it was just one or two it could be an anomaly, but there’s so many now they’re

beginning to tell a story. And the story is that the 5,000 years that we’re taught is the history of the world forever is actually only the history of the most recent cycle of civilization that began 5,000 years ago. Interestingly that’s the biblical era, our modern Bible, or the ancient Bible was written during the time when this cycle of civilization was beginning and the last was ending. The cycle before that is the one that’s not acknowledge in the history books today.

Here’s where this gets interesting. As different as these sites are geographically, and as

different as they are in time, some of them are 6,000, 7,000, 8,000, 9,000, 10,000, 11,000, 12,000, 13,000 years old. In one of these sites, Jennifer, prior to 5,000 years ago, none of these sites has there been any evidence of weapons, has there been any evidence of large scale war to solve problems, has been any evidence of the need to protect cities with walls or protect homes with walls or moats or any large scale graves or mutilated bodies that you would expect to see as result of warfare. And what a growing number of archeologist and anthropologist are beginning to suspect, and I talk about this in the book, is that war — we’re taught that war is human nature, that it’s a natural part of our lives.

This evidence now supports the new discoveries that we just talked about with Darwin’s false

assumption. The competition and violence is not really who we are. War is not natural to


human kind. War is an aberration of nature and the first examples of large‐scale war happen to be the first examples that occur when we believe civilization began. Before that time, the lack of evidence of war correlates with our most cherished and ancient indigenous traditions and spiritual traditions. They tell us that before our time, there was a time on Earth that was called a golden age, or an age of peace. And now the evidence, the archeological evidence seems to support that at least in terms of the warfare. And they said that they knew that we would enter into what was called a dark cycle or a cycle of war that would last 5,000 years. And this is the big deal about the 2012 Mayan calendar. It marks the end of that cycle through an alignment with Earth and the Sun in the heavens that we can confirm on our computers.

And that alignment coincides with a climate change that forces us to work differently and to

choose cooperation over competition. And now as we move into the next cycle, the question is, do we perpetuate the cycle of darkness, this 5,000 year cycle of darkness and war, into the next human cycle, or do we recognize the deepest truths of life’s big questions and the new discoveries? Now if we think back to that little pyramid, life does not appear to be a random occurrence, human life does not appear to be a random occurrence. The data doesn’t support it.

We are deeply connected and enmeshed with the natural world. We’re not separate from the

Earth, we’re part of the Earth. Civilization isn’t a one‐time deal. It’s cyclic and it’s happened before, and we can learn from the past. And all of this data leads us know when we solve our problems to look to the natural rhythm of cooperation and mutual aid rather than conflict and war to solve our problems. So what we’ve done is just encapsulate the significance of the discoveries within the context of where we find ourselves today, and it was a long answer to a short question, but I wanted to go through all of this.

Jennifer: It was beautiful. Gregg: Yeah, because it’s about our lives and what we’re living today. Jennifer: You know I coined this term when I was working in the technology industry called co‐opatition

[phonetic]. And it kind of — to me it feels like the bridge at this stage. I’m not sure it’s really what it is, but to me back then it was the bridge to start moving from competition to cooperation. You know, my question now is, all right, you say we’re kind of at this crisis point, this inflection point, where there’s a confluence of all of these things happening all at the same time. A crisis of such magnitude that we’ve never faced. What can we as individuals — I can feel the audience going, “what the heck can I do?” What can we as individuals do to contribute to this new framework of cooperation?

Gregg: It’s the perfect question. It’s a beautiful question. And I’m just going to take one‐half step

back, because while the experts are in fact telling us that we’re facing the greatest number of crises in 5,000 years of human history, what’s so interesting to me, Jennifer, is when we look at what they call crisis, crisis is defined as a big change in the way that we have lived from the past. When the world changes, many of the experts — the great minds are calling it crisis. But is it really crisis or is it transformation? Do we interpret change as crisis when it actually is transformation that is occurring, and how do we perceive that? I think that’s a big question that we are all asking ourselves as individuals and collectively. Those who are clinging to the ways of life of the past, those who are clinging to the systems hoping that the change that we


see in the world today is a little speed bump in the road of life, those are the people I’m seeing are having the most difficult times right now. They’re clinging to a way of thinking about life, their relationship to life in the world that is simply no longer supported because the world changed.

You know, there’s so many different ways that we could go about this conversation, and

maybe we could continue this on a part two, but the reality is that the world changed while we were looking and nobody told us. No one has come out, you know, with a mainstream headline or in some of the mainstream media or services, the AP wire, Reuters Press isn’t telling us that the world changed.

But the reality is that the world that we’ve known in the past no longer exists. We no longer

live in isolated countries. We may have part of the 20th Century; we don’t anymore. We no longer live in isolated economies. We don’t live in an isolated technology. I mean, cell phones and Apple computers have changed all of that. We no longer have isolated systems of energy or defense or communications. And what that means to us personally is the way we thought of our lives and our relationship to the world no longer exists. They way that we thought about money in the past, the way that we thought about jobs and careers and religion, medicine, health, security — all of that’s changed, but nobody really told us.

So there are — and I’ve met many people in the world who are just clinging to the hope that

something is happening now that is temporary and we’re going to finally settle down and go back to the world that we’ve known in the past. And my experience is those are the people that are struggling the most, because the world they’re waiting for no longer exists.

So the question that we all ask ourselves, what can we do? I don’t think there’s a single

answer. I think there’s a way of thinking that empowers us to adapt really quickly and very beautifully to the new world. And that is simply this. We have all been led to believe either consciously through people telling us, or subconsciously through the way that we were educated, the way our families chose to address problems, we’ve all been led to believe in a world based on those false assumptions. That life is a struggle — most of us have heard the term that we live in a dog‐eat‐dog world; that we’ve got to struggle for our piece of the pie. And to some degree we’ve all been led to believe that. So the question that we’ve always asked ourselves consciously or subconsciously is what can I get from the world that exists? That’s the question that we have been led to believe is the question to success and abundance in life. What can I get from the world that exists?

If we can subtle shift, but a powerful shift, to the new question, and please don’t be deceived

those of you listening, by the simplicity of this question, because it changes everything. If we can make the shift from asking what can I get from the world that exists to the new question, what can I give to the world that’s emerging? What can I offer to this new world that is being birthed?

The way we answer that question opens the door to all of the other answers. The way that we

answer that question opens the door to new possibilities of jobs, new possibilities of careers, where we put our energy, what we put our energy into; new possibilities of abundance. Because rather than looking for companies with good benefits and riding it out for 30 years to retire, we then begin to look for possibilities that don’t end after 30 years of how we can take


our deepest inborn gifts that everyone has and apply them into an emerging world that needs the gift that everyone has to offer, and needs it desperately right now.

In that way of thinking we open the door to those possibilities, but it’s subtle and a very

powerful shift changing the way that we think about questions. Jennifer: It’s a beautiful way to think. In fact, that’s the phrase that pays for today is: What can I give to

the world that is emerging? What can I give to the world that is emerging? That’s our phrase that pays for today. And Gregg is going to give away his package of — one of the packages on the special offer for that phrase that pays. And that’s:

healingwiththemasters.com/contest You know, I keep coming back to these three conditions that happen when we are — that

move us beyond cooperation and into competition: Personally threatened, family is threatened, the way of life is threatened. It’s like the survival of the fittest is so engrained into our — into the, you know, what Young called the subconscious, right? The groups unconscious; the symbols of our society. It’s almost like personal threatened, family threatened, and a way of life is threatened — I’ve seen this with clients that it’s not real. Do you know what I mean? There’s a perception that they are being threatened when it isn’t an actual threat. So is there a way for us to individually move from that place of feeling threatened. Like many of us watch the news and get afraid and are feeling threatened. Many of us are in relationships with people and moving to this notion of what can I give, is that part of it? And I know you do a lot of work with coherence. Is there something there as well?

Gregg: Well, those are two questions, and the answer is: yes and yes. What you’re saying is so

important here, Jennifer. And I don’t think there’s a single solution, but what can we do about the fear? Much of the fear is based on the significance that we as individuals give to what we see in the world and what we’re being told; the significance that we give to it. And that significance is based upon the way we answer these questions; upon the way that we’ve been led to think of ourselves in life. We’ve been led to think that life is a struggle, that we can do all of the right things in life and we make one bad move and life is ready to snuff out everything that we have ever done good if we make one — just one mistake. If we can think — begin to think, if our listeners don’t already, think of life as our friend rather than our adversary. That is a very, very subtle, but it is a powerful shift in the way we begin to perceive our relationship to the world and how we look at what’s happening to us.

If we think of our bodies, for example, I know people that get up every morning and they begin

the defensive day to protect their bodies. So they see life as an adversary. They see that there’s one million things out there that want to get them, and they begin defending themselves from the very elements that give us life every single day. There’s a thinking behind that and that thinking translates into the chemistry in the body that puts us into fight or flight. It kicks up those cortisol levels. It kicks up the adrenaline levels and depresses immune response. I’m not saying that it’s anybody’s fault, it’s the way that we’ve been conditioned to think of our relationship to the world. So it begins with the significance that we give to the events unfolding in the world. And my experience is that once the facts are clear, the choices become obvious once the facts are clear. This is our personal responsibility to understand the facts as we know them today. They may change, you know, a year from now, but as we know


them today, what are the facts of our relationship to life, to human life, our relationship to the Earth, our relationship to the past, the way we solve our problems.

Once we understand those facts and the deepest truths of those facts, then it helps us to think

differently about ourselves and how we go about solving our problems. Now, one of the things — that’s one aspect, one element to the question that you’ve asked. What can we do on a collective level? This is a whole different conversation, and it’s a conversation that makes perfect sense to have right now. And we’ve spoken about this in past programs. The best science of our time is telling us with absolute certainty that there’s a field of energy that connects all living things on Earth. Every blade of grass, every hamster, every goldfish, every god, every cat, every CEO of every corporation, every leader of every nation is linked through the vital magnetic field of the Earth. And to be specific, the strongest magnetic filed in the human body is the one generated by our heart. So every cell has as magnetic field, but our hearts have the strongest. So we are all linked through this magnetic field.

People say to me, “Okay, big deal. What does that mean? What do we do with that?” Well,

here’s where science comes in. September 11, 2001, satellites 22,000 miles above the surface of the Earth registered a huge increase in the magnetic strength — in the strength of Earth’s magnetic fields. And when the increase began tells the whole story. The charts show that the increase began at 9:00 a.m. Eastern Standard Time on September 11, 2001. That was 15 minutes after the first plane hit the first tower of the World Trade Center. And the reason that’s important is scientists believe it took about 15 minutes for the images of the tragedy to circulate the world through the media. It took about 15 minutes for hundreds and millions of humans to respond with heart‐based emotion to what they were seeing in the media. And it was the collective outpouring of heart‐based experience. And there were a lot of them. Some were sad. Some were shocked. Some were angry, but the key is it was heart‐based experience. The strongest magnetic field in the human body — the collective output of hundreds of millions of human hearts in response to that tragedy actually strengthened the very field of the Earth that connects and sustains all life.

Now, here’s why that’s important. Do you remember — our listeners — Do you all remember

what this world felt like right after 9/11 for at least a few days? People say it was the closest they’ve ever felt this world being. New Yorkers said people actually looked at each other as they walked down the street.

Jennifer: I remember that very distinctly. Gregg: We felt for the first time in the memory of this generation that we were truly a global family.

And it’s not our imagination the strengthening of those magnetic fields lend itself to an experience that we call coherence — heart, brain coherence. And what scientists found — this was a big deal, because it was the first time — remember the false assumptions tell us that we’re separate from our world, consciousness separate from our physical world. Space between physical things is empty. What happens in once place has very little effect, if any, on what happens somewhere else. So scientists were amazed. Our listeners weren’t amazed, because intuitively we’ve always embraced the fact that we are connected deeply with the Earth. But scientists were amazed and this magnetic field increase was the tipoff that said, “My God, humans are deeply connected with the Earth.” It gives this Gaia concept a whole new meaning.


And they began to understand that it was this collective outpouring of heart‐based experience

that contributed to the strength in the fields and the closeness that we felt on our planet as a family. The question then became this. Does it take a tragedy to bring us together in that way? Do we have to have a crisis for us to pull our heart fields together?

I’m just doing a little aside. I’m going to tell a quick story, but I need to ask you, Jennifer, if we

don’t stop right at 6:00 are we okay? Jennifer: Yeah, we’re good. We’re good. Gregg: We can go over a couple of minutes? Jennifer: Yeah, we can. And I just want to qualify by saying that we’re going to go over a couple of

minutes. I’m going to talk about your special offer, and then I’m going to ask you a final question. I want to talk about the Isaiah Effect from your book.

Gregg: Okay, we can do that. So what happened right after 9/11? Within just a few weeks I was

teaching in a little village called St. Germain on the outskirts of Paris to an audience — we have bout 3,500 people in the room. And early in that conference, within the first 30 minutes of the conference, there was a man in the audience who was very upset about something — very agitated. And the French security came in and they were going to kick him out of the conference. I said, “You know, I believe there are no accidents here. Don’t kick him out completely. I said, please ask him to wait in the hall.”

And they took him and he waited in the hall. And I led the audience early in the day through

an experience that normally we used to end the program. So we started where we would normally end. And it was a technique that’s called quick coherence where within about three to four minutes we were able to create heart‐based coherence in that room. And then I asked security to bring the man back into the room. And we gave him a microphone and a translator, because my French is terrible, and I said, “Please tell me your experience.” And this is the reason I’m sharing the story. He came back into the room, Jennifer, and he had the strangest look on his face. And I said, “Can you share your experience?” He said, “In my mind I know why I am angry.” It was something about his ticket. Somebody took his seat in the program. He said, “I know in my mind why I’m angry.” He said, “But this is the strangest experience. I cannot feel the anger in my body. I can’t find the anger in my heart.” So he began to laugh. He knew the thought of the anger, but he couldn’t access the emotion of the anger. And I’m not surprised, because he came into a field of coherence that made it very, very difficult for his heart to access the anger in the presence of a coherent field.

What happened in that room for that man on that day is possible for a planet, and we know

that, because 9/11 created a field of coherence and we were very close as a global human family, at least for a few days during that process. So now the question is can we create that at will when we choose rather than in response to a crisis or tragedy? This is where some of your other guests, the Institute of Heart Math, I know Howard Martin has been a guest on this — I don’t know if he’s been on this series, but he’s been on this program in the past. The Institute of Heart Math is heading up a research project and for transparency I’ll just say I’m on the steering committee for that project. I’m not an employee, but I believe strongly in the


potential of this project. We know that personal coherence is good for us as individuals; global coherence is good for the planet. And it’s a two‐phased project exploring the potential of creating global coherence to ease the transition of the change that we’re going through. It doesn’t change what’s happening. It changes maybe how we respond to what’s happening.

We know in the presence of a coherent field we’re much more peaceful, we’re less aggressive;

we’re more willing to work together to solve our problems and cooperate. So with that in mind, the Institute of Heart Math, a global coherence initiative has created and is deploying Earth based sensors. A network of Earth based sensors to tell us what our relationship to these fields of the Earth really is using our own data. We’re not ridding piggyback on military satellite or a weather satellite or a Comcast or DIRECTV satellite. This is a network built specifically for this purpose. That’s the first part.

The second part is teaching people to create heart brain coherence to generate these very low

frequency waves in their heart. And where this comes full circle, Jennifer, is these very low frequency waves in our heart are associated with experiences that we’ve always called positive emotion in our most cherished and in some cases ancient tradition. So heart‐based experiences of care, deep care, gratitude, appreciation, these are the kinds of experiences that generate these very low frequencies — 0.10 hertz is the frequency in our hearts. We can create the signal between our heart and our brain of 0.10 hertz. This is such a low frequency. The fundamental heartbeat of the Earth is 7.8 hertz. We’re talking about a signal that’s less than one. It’s 0.10 hertz. If we can create the experiences that generate that signal in our bodies, what we know is the effect extends beyond our bodies into the world around us, and it has meaningful effects upon social coherence.

So if we were ever going to come together and create social coherence at any time in our lives,

I’m thinking now is just a really good time for us to do that. And it’s a beautiful marriage of the most sophisticated science of today giving us the feedback of our relationship to the most ancient and cherished experiences of our past.

So coherence is a way. There is no them and us when it comes to these fields. So it’s very

hard, just like it was hard for the man in France to find anger in his heart, it’s really hard for a leader of a nation to declare war when he’s simply not feeling it.

Jennifer: Right. Well, to me it’s like love cannot — fear cannot survive in that field of love. And that’s

more or less what we’re doing. So what’s so empowering to me about what you’re saying is that every single person on this call — first of all every call on Healing With The Masters brings you to a state of coherence in a very large group environment. Just by participating in Healing With The Masters you are contributing. That’s always been my feeling. Do you think that’s correct?

Gregg: I think it is. And just to do a justice and honor everything that I’ve said here, for people who

would like to know more about this system, this network or about heart brain coherence, the website is:

glcoherence.org g‐l‐c‐o‐h‐e‐r‐e‐n‐c‐e.org


That will take you there directly, or you can go in through the Heart Math site in a roundabout

way. You can go in through my site: greggbraden.com In a round about way. The beauty of this system, I think, Jennifer, and the reason that I’m

passionate about it and believe in it so much, I think this understanding of our relationship to the Earth has come along so lately in the world of science it’s not fully embraced. And because of that I think it has a chance of having an impact. It’s not fully embraced, although it is scientifically confirmed. So the fact that many people coming together can actually create feed and nourish the field that connects and sustains all life, and that we can do it at will rather than doing it in response to a crisis or tragedy.

There are people in 86 countries now that are part of the global coherence family. And at any

time of the day when you log onto that site, you can actually go to a Google Earth — a live Google Earth rotating model of the Earth, and you can see who in what part of the world is actively feeding the field and creating coherence by being logged onto the site. That doesn’t count the people that aren’t logged on. Any moment of the day — it’s so amazing to see a little light come up on this Google Earth in the middle of the Pacific Ocean from a battleship, or a battleship in the Gulf or in Japan or somewhere in the Middle East. And what we know is that’s one computer that’s logged on, but behind that computer there are often hundreds of people in the room that are actively in their hearts nourishing the field of the Earth that connects and sustains all life, and that we can be part of that community.

Jennifer: That’s beautiful. And again, that’s: glcoherence.org g‐l‐c‐o‐h‐e‐r‐e‐n‐c‐e.org Gregg: Is Howard Martin a part of this series by any chance? Jennifer: Not in this particular volume, no, but he’s been on a couple of times. Gregg: Yeah, he has in the past. Jennifer: Yeah, and I thank you for bringing that up. Gregg: I just wanted to flesh that out, and I also want to honor our time. You have another question? Jennifer: I do. I want to talk about your special offer first, and then I’m going to ask you a final question.

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I was thinking about the Isaiah Effect and wondering the book that you wrote, basically about the hundredth monkey. Is volume still really an important aspect of us kind of changing the world? Is the volume of us that are lighting up in those little spots all over the globe, is that really the key here?

Gregg: That’s a beautiful question, Jennifer. The book, Isaiah Effect was written in late 1990s. It was

published in the year 2000 based on what we knew then. What we now know is very similar to what’s happening. I think the question you’re asking is how many people does it take to tip the scales —

Jennifer: More or less, yeah. Gregg: — to peace and cooperation in our favor? Obviously the more people that embody these

principals, the more accelerated the effect. And that is what the Isaiah Effect was saying to us. And this is what I think Isaiah was saying to us in the Dead Sea Scrolls. That’s why the Dead Sea Scrolls — the Dead Sea Scroll of Isaiah is cherished so deeply by the Jewish people. That it is actually housed in a vault designed to retract into the Earth with concrete and steel doors that cover it in the case of a nuclear attack to preserve it for the survivors. Because of all scrolls they believe that scroll holds the secret of human destiny. And it’s precisely what we’re talking about now. The more people that embrace these principals, the more accelerated the effect. However, having said that, what we’re now finding with coherence is that it is less about the number of people and more about the quality of the experience of those who are creating the coherence.

Heart Math still believes if we can get about 3 to 350,000 people created a coherent field that

would be the threshold to really tip the scales. And this is a very real goal that we’re working toward right now. I don’t want to lead people into thinking it’s just about numbers. It’s about the quality of the coherence that each individual embodies as they’re creating that experience.

Jennifer: Wow, so by really embodying it, by really starting to live a life of kind of giving, you know, as

the phrase that pays tonight is: What can I give to the world that is emerging? By finding coherence between the mind and the heart, and by living from this place of love fully — full out, we really can make a difference in creating this new paradigm of peace on our planet. We really can.

Gregg: Absolutely. And, Jennifer, if I could quickly add two things to the — I didn’t know about this

package that you just talked about, so I’m hearing it for the first time. I don’t get out much. I’m just on the road —

Jennifer: Well, Hay House kind of works in the background with us. So thank you. Gregg: You know, they have been so supportive. Hay House is more than a publisher. They are a

family who has attracted and brought together some of the most brilliant minds and beautiful hearts that I’m honored and feel privileged to be associated with — many of our listeners favorite authors. And a lot of us authors we’ve known each other long before we ever wrote the books because we’ve devoted, dedicated our lives to offering whatever we have from our unique perspectives creating a better world and helping us to become better people.


Hay House did something very interesting. When I recorded — I went into the studio and recorded the audio for Deep Truth and in the past they’ve always created what they call and abridged audio. They essentially condense it to a four CD set so it fits a certain format and can be sold on Barnes and Nobel or something like that. The editors went through and they could not find anywhere in the recording that they felt they could delete the material and still have the integrity of the book. They said, “We can’t delete any of this. It’s got to be the full audio as Gregg recorded it.” So that’s why there are so many CDs. It’s not abridged. It is the full set. The images are not contained in the booklet, but all of the material is there. And that was number one.

Number two, I wanted to say Entanglement — a lot of our listeners are only beginning to find

out about this. There was a movie that was — a screenplay that was adapted from the book the Divine Matrix that was made into a movie that is now complete. And it is part of a series called Tales of Everyday Mystery that was designed as a pilot for network viewing. And it is one of four films. And what they’ve done is they’ve taken the principal of the Divine Matrix and everything being connected and applied it in a real life scenario as two twin brothers that have chosen very different paths of life. One is in the battlefield of Afghanistan. One is in the classroom. They’re still connected through this entanglement that physics is telling us about, but it’s a real life exploration and adventure done very well of what that entanglement can mean in human lives and how it actually saves a human life. It’s a beautiful story, and now they’re —

Jennifer: And it’s a DVD too. Gregg: — a novel by the same title that I worked with another woman to create that is the novel of

the screenplay. Jennifer: Oh, beautiful. So thank you for qualifying that. I missed that it was a DVD and it’s a movie. So

that’s — Entanglement is a movie that’s part of this offer. That’s awesome. Gregg: Yeah, it’s so new very few people even know. They screened it in New York at I think the Guild

Art Theater in New York just a couple of months ago to really good reviews. Jennifer: Wow, very cool. Oh, I can’t wait to get this. Gregg: The Hollywood actor that is staring in Entanglement the reason that I think it’s done so

beautifully is because he is fully onboard with the message of the film and the intent of everything that you’re doing in this series, Jennifer. So I really encourage our listeners to check out Entanglement in any way they can.

Jennifer: Wow, that’s great. That’s great. So that’s part of the offer too. Thank you for qualifying that. Gregg: I didn’t know that. Jennifer: That’s really cool. I’m always the first purchaser of these offers. So I’m really looking forward

to getting this package and diving in. So thank you so much, Gregg Braden for being on Healing With The Masters once again and sharing this really remarkable information and content. I can feel all of us are new from receiving it and I thank you for your heartfelt work.


Gregg: I am as well for sharing it. I don’t know about you, but our time together went very, very

quickly. I feel like we did good work together tonight. So thank you, Jennifer, for again your dedication to making these possible and your vision that keeps this going and all of our listeners now and in the replays as well. I just want to thank you all for everything you’re doing in your way to give birth to this new world that’s emerging. Everything that you’re doing to become better people and create this better world. We love you and are just in deep gratitude for all that you’re doing. Thank you.

Jennifer: Thank you, Gregg. Much love. And join us next Tuesday for Wayne Dyer who is going to be

talking with us about your wishes. Thank you everyone so much for being part of today’s show. You know it seems we always come to these calls as individuals and in the end we wind up a united community and united in our intention. We know we make the difference. As you heard tonight, we matter, you matter. I love you all so very much. And until next time, goodnight everyone. Goodnight, Gregg.

[End of Discussion]


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Gregg Braden | Featured Guest | April 5, 2012

New York Times Bestselling Author Scientific‐Spiritualty Pioneer GreggBraden.com

New York Times Bestselling author Gregg Braden is internationally renowned as a pioneer in bridging science and spirituality. Following a successful career as a Computer Geologist for Phillips Petroleum during the 1970�s energy crisis, he worked as a Senior Computer Systems Designer with Martin Marietta Defense Systems during the last years of the Cold War. In 1991 he became the first Technical Operations Manager for Cisco Systems where he led the development of the global support team that ensures the reliability of today’s internet. For more than 25 years Gregg has searched high mountain villages, remote monasteries, and forgotten texts to uncover their timeless secrets. His work is now featured on the History Channel, the Discovery Channel, Syfy and NBC. To date, Gregg’s discoveries have led to such paradigm‐shattering books as The Isaiah Effect, The God Code, The Divine Matrix, and Fractal Time: The Secret of 2012 and a New World Age, which debuted at #5 on the New York Times bestseller list two weeks after its release. Deep Truth is the newest book by Gregg Braden. Today Gregg’s work is published in 17 languages and 33 countries (see translations) and shows us beyond any reasonable doubt that the key to our future lies in the wisdom of our past.


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Guest Speakers | Further Information

March 6, 2012

Chris Cade

Martial Arts Champion Spiritual Healer and Teacher ChrisCade.com

March 8, 2012

Marisa Russo

Renowned Teacher Author, Speaker and Healer MarisaRusso.com

March 13, 2012

Colin Tipping

Internationally Known Speaker Radical Forgiveness Healer RadicalForgiveness.com

March 15, 2012

Jennifer McLean

Internationally Acclaimed Entrepreneur Author and Creator of The Body Dialog System of Healing McLeanMasterWorks.com

March 20, 2012

Donna Eden

One Of The World’s Most Joyous and Authoritative Spokespersons for Energy Medicine InnerSource.net



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March 22, 2012

Jo Dunning

"The Miracle Worker" World Renowned Spiritual Teacher Author and Master of Energy JoDunning.com

March 27, 2012

Sonia Choquette

International Bestselling Hay House Author Spiritual Teacher Distinguished Intuitive Advisor SoniaChoquette.com

March 29, 2012

Noah St. John

“The Accelerated Results Guy” Bestselling Author Inventor of Afformations® NoahStJohn.com

April 3, 2012

Susann Taylor Shier

Dynamic and Gifted Author Teacher Intuitive Counselor SoulMastery.net

April 4, 2012

Jon Griffin

Awakening the soul through music. How has sound transformed you? JonGriffin.com

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April 5, 2012

Gregg Braden

New York Times Bestselling Author Scientific‐Spiritualty Pioneer GreggBraden.com

April 10, 2012

Wayne Dyer

Internationally Renowned Self‐Development Author and Speaker DrWayneDyer.com

April 12, 2012

Mark Romero

Artist Sound Vibration Healer Personal‐Development Coach MarkRomeroMusic.com

April 17, 2012

David Neagle

World‐Class Speaker Leading Authority on Personal Mastery DavidNeagle.com

April 19, 2012

Christian Pankhurst

Coach, Speaker, Seminar Leader, Author ChristianPankhurst.com

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April 24, 2012

Drunvalo Melchizedek

World Renowned Author and Speaker Drunvalo.net

April 25, 2012

Mary Allen

Healing Coach For People From All Backgrounds LifeCoachMary.com

April 26, 2012

Isha Judd

International Speaker Ambassador for Peace IshaJudd.com

May 1, 2012

Rikka Zimmerman

Spreading the seeds of Consciousness around the world. “Life comes to me with ease, joy and glory!” RikkaZimmerman.com

May 3, 2012

Sarah McLean

Hay House Author, Teacher, and The New Face of Mainstream Meditation SedonaMeditation.com

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May 8, 2012

Denise Linn

Internationally Respected Healer, Writer and Teacher DeniseLinn.com

May 9, 2012

Elizabeth Jones

Astrologer Extraordinaire Gifted Intuitive ‐ Revealing the Nature of Powerful 2012 Transitions AstrologyofLight.com

May 10, 2012

Panache Desai

Inspirational Visionary Contemporary Spiritual Master PanacheDesai.com

May 15, 2012

Mary A. Hall

Recognized & Profound Healer Popular Abundance Coach Author and Speaker MaryAHall.com

May 17, 2012

Foster Gamble

President & Co‐Founder of Clear Compass Media ThriveMovement.com

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May 22, 2012

Neale Donald Walsch

Internationally Recognized Spiritual Messenger Best Selling Author of the Conversations With God book series NealeDonaldWalsch.com

May 23, 2012

Emmanuel Dagher

Human Transformation Specialist Holistic Health Practitioner and Teacher MagnifiedManifesting.com

May 24, 2012

Carol Look

Internationally Known Author Energy Practitioner Success and Abundance Coach AttractingAbundance.com

May 29, 2012

Dr. David Berceli

Trauma Intervention and Conflict Resolution International Expert TraumaPrevention.com

May 31, 2012

William Linville

Instrument of the Universal and Creator Consciousness – Here to Assist You WilliamLinville.com

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June 5, 2012

Christie Marie Sheldon

Author Intuitive Life Coach Transformation Expert LoveorAbove.com

June 7, 2012

Dr. Joe Dispenza

Author of Evolve Your Brain Featured International Speaker Scientist DrJoeDispenza.com

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