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Asbestos Cement Pipe (Transite) Do’s And Don’ts Presented by Hazard Management Services, Inc. Michael C. Sharp [email protected] (209) 551-2000
Asbestos Cement Pipe (Transite)
Do’s And Don’ts
Presented by
Hazard Management Services, Inc.
Michael C. Sharp
(209) 551-2000
Reminders:
• There are regulations and there is logic – try not to get the two confused!
• Regulations are often like speed limits – even though they are violated on a regular basis, hardly anyone gets in trouble for it (that does not make speeding legal!)
To Remove Transite Pipe LegallyYou Must Be Trained
• You can be an asbestos abatement contractor– This requires certification (CA) or licensed (NV) and
registration (in both CA & NV)
• You can have Class III trained crews for AC Pipe– This limits you to 100 square feet per project and 6 linear
feet per task in CA!
• You can be AC Pipe Accredited In CA– Requires 4 hour Initial Class
– Requires 2 hour Annual Refresher Class
No matter what – you need transite pipe handling policy/plan (IIPP)
Let’s Start With A Few Questions
• Don’t say the answer out loud, use the clicker to select your answers.
• Each clicker has a number - you want to see your number on the grid!
• To change your answer – just hit another number – BEFORE I CLOSE THE QUESTION
• Your answers will be anonymous (sort of) – but we will be keeping score!
• Fabulous Prizes Await Those With High Scores!
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Who remembers where we get most asbestos from?
1. State Rock of California
2. It is now used only in Car Brake Pads
3. Now only in products made in China for the building industry
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Hmmm, what could that whitish rock be?
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If A Sub-Contractor Is Hired To Remove Asbestos, You Are Not Responsible For The
Contractor’s Actions(concerning regulatory liability)
1. True
2. False
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Okay – So You’re Going To Cut The Pipe Yourself (or have in-house crews cut/tap/remove/repair the pipe)
• Let’s see how much you already know
• Pick the most correct, or least incorrect answer, available!
• If you don’t know – GUESS!
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What does PEL stand for?
1. Pessimistic, Effective, Legal
2. Permissible Exposure Level
3. Pervasive Exposure Limit
4. Politically-motivated Environmentally-sound Legislation
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What is the PEL for asbestos?
1. 0.01 f/cc
2. 0.1 f/cc
3. 1.0 f/cc
4. 10 f/cc
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The PEL is an 8 Hour Time Weighted Average Exposure
f/cc = fibers per cubic centimeter of air
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Which does OSHA require even if you are below the PEL when you cut Transite Pipe?
1. Remove asbestos-containing materials as intact as possible
2. Wear respirator
3. Wear protective clothing
4. Conduct personal air sampling
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What is a “safe” level of airborne asbestos?
1. Anything below the PEL
2. Anything below 0.1 f/cc
3. There is no “known” safe exposure to airborne asbestos
4. All of the above are true
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There is no “safe” level of exposure, but there is a “permissible” level?
PELs are not necessarily based on your health.
The PEL for asbestos was based on the ability of OSHA to collect an air sample and back up the result in court (as well as cost of compliance).
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you cut transite pipe?
1. Wear respirator
2. Wear protective clothing
3. Post “regulated area” sign
4. Treat waste as regulated (NV )/ hazardous (CA) waste
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How much asbestos material disturbance triggers the OSHA & Cal/OSHA standard asbestos requirements.
1. more than 100 square feet
2. more than 200 square feet
3. any amount
4. more than 160 square feet
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Which of the following does OSHA not require when you are below the PEL while cutting transite pipe?
1. Use wet methods for dust
2. Put waste in labeled, leak tight containers
3. Wear Respirator
4. HEPA vacuums for clean up
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You may safely and legally wear a respirator with a full beard and side
burns
1. Yes
2. No
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Don’t Want To Wear a Respirator While Handling AC Pipe? Then You
Need1. Air samples proving you can do the
work without exceeding the PEL.
2. A work plan describing the way you will handle the pipe.
3. A negative exposure assessment.
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Cal/OSHA Requires you to be in a suit and respirator when handling concrete
1. True – unless you keep it wet.
2. True – unless you have an NEA for silica and total dust.
3. False – unless you are in a confined area.
4. False – that is not practical and it is never done.
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Cal/OSHA Consultation conducted an onsite consultation at _______ Irrigation District
Some of the findings of the onsite consultation include conditions that, besides costing you in terms of injuries and illnesses, were not in compliance with Title 8 of the California Code of Regulations (T8CCR) which is identical, in this section, to CFR 1926. The following is a listing of those findings. The potential effects of each of these hazards were discussed with you during the onsite consultation.
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What Type of Personal Air Samples Must You Collect When Handling
Transite Pipe
1. Silica
2. Asbestos
3. Total Dust
4. All of The Above
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What is the purpose of asbestos personal air sampling?
1. To ensure there is adequate ventilation
2. To check oxygen level in the area
3. To determine the fiber exposure in the breathing zone of workers (but it doesn’t work!)
4. To check air temperature
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Which of the following is true about Air Samples Collected While Conducting Asbestos Removal
1. Never trust low air sample results to protect your health or liability.
2. Air samples show your exposures during asbestos abatement projects
3. Low fiber count air samples results will protect your liability in court if someone claims exposure from your work
4. There is no valid reason for collecting air samples
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Asbestos fibers are very small! And, half of the ones you can see would not be counted!
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So, why do we use air samples for asbestos exposure monitoring?
1. It is the only tool we have.
2. It is what a reasonable person would do in our place
3. It is required by regulations
4. Company policy states we will follow Cal/OSHA requirements
5. It is the only way to legallynot use respirators and disposable clothing while handling asbestos
6. All are true
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Four of the following five things are required whenever you disturb asbestos ,
which is not always required?
1. Regulated areas
2. Wet methods
3. Prompt clean up
4. Full Containment
5. HEPA vacuums
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What hazardous material(s) must you worry about before you ever start to excavate in order to access the
asbestos cement (transite) pipe, or otherwise grade, excavate or trench in CA?
1. Lead in Soil
2. Mud
3. Naturally Occurring Asbestos
4. Water
5. 1 & 3
6. All of the above
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The most common way for adults to cause lead poisoning to a child is through take home dust on their
clothes.
1. True
2. False
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Which of the following is not a potential health effect from short term exposure to lead
1. Fatigue and Insomnia
2. Forgetfulness and Forgetfulness
3. High Blood Pressure
4. Irritability/Aggressive Behavior
5. Achy Joints and Muscles
6. Poor Coordination and Muscle Control
7. Lowered IQ, Learning and Reading Disabilities
8. Erectile Dysfunction/Frigidity
9. All of the above are potential health effects of lead
10. None of the above, these area all long term Exposure issues
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What Hazards, other than asbestos or lead, Might Exist In Soil?
1. Diesel Fuel and/or Hydro-Carbons
2. Arsenic
3. Pesticides
4. Ground Wasps
5. Fire Ants
6. All of the above
7. None of the above
8. Who cares – there is nothing we can do about it anyway
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How Much Lead Does It Take To Make A Lead Hazard in a 2500 square foot house?
1. 10 grams
2. 1 gram
3. 1/10 of 1 gram
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Except for the insects, how do you best protect yourself from health and legal exposures from these potential soil contaminants?
1. You can’t, so why worry about it.
2. By wearing personal protective gear.
3. Use proper work practices, and decontaminate.
4. Sample for them before digging.
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Ground Wasps and Fire Ants –What Is The Only Effective Thing You Can Do If You Disturb Them?
1. Stay as still as possible, until they lose interest –your PPE will protect you.
2. Spray water to keep them off of you.
3. Run as fast as you can, or drive away until they stop chasing you.
4. Spray Ant/Wasp insecticide.
5. Any of the above will work.
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Let’s Talk About Transite Pipes and Asbestos
Waste From ACP Cutting Is A Hazardous Asbestos Waste
1. This is always true.
2. This is always false.
3. False – unless you make it friable (dusty) when handling it.
4. This is determined by where (type of disposal site) at which you dispose of it.
5. False if removed section is buried when the trench is back filled.
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PIPE BURSTING THROUGH ACP IS LEGAL
1. True – as long as the asbestos is left in the ground
2. False –
3. True - but with some major restrictions (that make it impossible to do effectively)
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UNITED STATES ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION AGENCYREGION IX
75 Hawthorne StreetSan Francisco, CA 94105
March 4, 2003
Mike Sheehan
Asbestos NESHAP Coordinator
Monterey Bay Unified Air Pollution Control District
24580 Silver Cloud Court
Monterey, CA 93940
Dear Mr. Sheehan:
Thank you for your request on an applicability determination on whether “pipe bursting” is a regulated
activity under the Asbestos National Emission Standard for Hazardous Air Pollutants (NESHAP).
EPA will normally regulate non-friable materials that undergo extensive damage when mechanical removal
methods are employed. In reviewing “pipe bursting” documentation it is apparent that non-friable Category II
asbestos cement pipe (transite) would undergo extensive damage and therefore become Regulated Asbestos
Containing Material (RACM) during the process. Transite pipe undergoing “pipe bursting” would have to be
characterized as RACM and therefore all notification, work practice, and disposal requirements of the Asbestos
NESHAP must be followed.
In a situation where the waste from the “pipe bursting” is brought to the surface, all asbestos containing
material must be treated as regulated waste under the Asbestos NESHAP when the original project exceeds 260 linear
feet of pipe.
In the situation you describe, where transite waste has been brought to the surface and mixed with existing
surface material, all waste must be collected and properly contained, labeled, shipped and disposed of according to
NESHAP requirements. The material presently on site may violate NESHAP waste disposal requirements, waste
facility requirements, and proper work practices when found dry on site. Additional days of violation for visible
emissions are also possible.
Asbestos NESHAP violations are considered “Significant Violators” under EPA penalty policy and can
involve penalties of up to $27,000 per day per violation or criminal prosecution. Please keep me informed of any
enforcement action the District may issue in order for EPA to determine the appropriateness of Federal Action.
Sincerely,
Robert S. Trotter
Enforcement Officer
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Power Tools Are Legal To Use ON AC Pipe
1. No
2. Yes, but only with an NEA
3. Yes, but only if you use water
4. Yes, but only if you use HEPA filtered local exhaust
5. Yes, but this is never safe
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Be as honest as you can-No points and No record of who selected which answer!
The technique used to cut Transite pipe that you use most often is:
1. Snap Cutting
2. Sledge Hammer
3. Snap Cutter and Sledge Hammer
4. Wheel Cutter
5. Hand Saw – wet
6. Hand Saw – dry
7. Chipping hammer
8. Power Saw – wet or dry, no HEPA vac
9. Power Saw – wet or dry, with HEPA vac
10. Other
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So How IS Transite Supposed To Be Cut?
• How will you cut pipe?– Snap cutter?– Power Saw?– Wheel Cutter?– Other?
• Spray Water Source– Pump-up type sprayer to spray area
being disturbed.
• Protective Clothing– Probably not required, but
recommended. – Use inexpensive disposable paper
suits.
• Six Mil Poly Sheeting or Bags– For wrapping pipe and for
decontamination area
HEPA Vacuum? You must use a HEPA-filtered vacuum if you use a vacuum to clean up small debris.
Personal Air Sampling Pumps and Filter Cassettes?
You must establish a “negative exposure assessment.”
OSHA Regulated Area Sign & Waste Labels
Get from safety supply store.Recommend “non-hazardous waste manifest” for waste hauler.
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Don’t believe, or maybe you do believe but just don’t care,
that asbestos can affect your health?
•How About The Health of Your Wallet?
•Handling it incorrectly could cause you to lose your job, or worse – get sued for exposure! (in today’s economy – losing your job might be worse than getting sued!)
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Three Major Asbestos Illnesses
• Asbestosis
• Lung Cancer
• Mesothelioma
What is latency period?1. How long it takes
asbestos fibers into your lungs
2. Time period between exposure and symptoms
3. The time the doctor gives you before death
4. The term doctors use while performing asbestos related surgeries
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• I’ve been working around asbestos for years! Nothing’s wrong with me!
How about when you’re fifty, or when you retire at 65/70/75 (depending on the economy)?
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The latency period (time period between exposure and symptoms) is
1. 1-5 years
2. 5-10 years
3. 10-40 years
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I know you think I’ve been making this all up, and nobody else does this! Right?
• American Water Works Association issued AC pipe recommendations years ago.
• Their recommendations reflect OSHA requirements.
Any questions?
Well I’ve got some questions for you!
Correct Answers Are Now 10 Points Each! (mostly)
Incorrect Answers Now Lose 2 Points!
This Is A Speed Round!
What is the PEL for asbestos?
1. 0.01 f/cc
2. 0.1 f/cc
3. 1.0 f/cc
4. 10 f/cc
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Which does OSHA require even if you are below the PEL when you cut Transite pipe?
(More than one may be correct!)
1. Remove asbestos-containing materials as intact as possible.
2. Wear respirator.
3. Wear protective clothing.
4. Conduct personal air sampling.
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What is a “safe” level of airborne asbestos?
1. Anything below the PEL.
2. Anything below 0.1 f/cc
3. There is no “known” safe exposure to airborne asbestos.
4. All of the above are true.
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Which does OSHA require even if you are below the PEL when you cut Transite pipe?
(More than one may be correct!)
1. Wear respirator.
2. Wear protective clothing.
3. Post “regulated area” sign.
4. Treat waste as hazardous waste.
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Which of the following is “Class II Work?”(More than one may be true!)
1. Removal of pipe insulation.
2. Cutting Transite pipe.
3. Removing lead contaminated soil.
4. Removal of “popcorn” ceilings.
5. No asbestos work is classy!
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Disturbing ____ of asbestos triggers the OSHA standard requirements.
1. more than 100 square feet
2. more than one square foot
3. any amount
4. more than 160 square feet
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Which of the following does OSHA not require when
you are below the PEL while cutting Transite pipe? (More than one may be correct!)
1. Use wet methods for dust suppression.
2. Put waste in labeled, leak-tight containers.
3. Wear respirator.
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What work practices are always required by
Cal/OSHA?
1. Wet asbestos-containing materials for dust suppression.
2. Remove asbestos-containing materials as intact as possible.
3. Promptly clean up and containerize debris.
4. Post Regulated Area signs before disturbing asbestos.
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Want More Info?
• Transite Pipe Cutting Policy• Negative Exposure Assessment
– For Asbestos in Transite– For Silica– For Lead– For Arsenic– For Naturally Occurring Asbestos
• Free Advice and Information• Training• Etc….• Send an E-mail to [email protected]
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