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Episode 17  

Cashflow in Your Business and Why It's Critical 

 

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G’day, g’day to you and welcome to the ‘Business Made Easy’ podcast, where                         

we make business easy. Jason Skinner, your host here for another week and                         

if you’re just joining me this week, thank you so much for finding me. I’m glad                               

you’re here and if you’ve been following me and following the show, and                         

enjoying the show and subscribe to the show – then thank you too, for all that                               

you’ve been doing. And particularly those leaving reviews on iTunes and a                       

few of you have been in contact with me to let me know about the show, by                                 

all means, please do that. It’s how the show’s going to grow and how I can                               

keep bringing it to you each week. If you are getting value of the show, by all                                 

means, please let me know over on iTunes by leaving an honest review. 

We’ve got a great episode this week, we’ve been covering a little bit over the                             

past few weeks on the growth of business, or not so much, how to grow your                               

business and also the importance of financial statements. Keeping track of                     

that growth in your business and that was episode 12 where we talked about                           

the five things of how you grow a business. And then I gave you the tools and                                 

the calculator there to work out how to grow your business. 

But in episode 16, we spoke about the importance of profit and loss and                           

financial statements. Which tell you how your business is going, in terms of,                         

making money. Are you making money or losing money? And those sorts of                         

things. 

But this week, we are going to go one bit further into an area that I am                                 

extremely passionate about. And it’s probably one of the most important                     

areas of your business and that is the area of cash flow. And whilst it’s one of                                 

the most important areas, it’s also one of the areas that 99% of people don’t                             

 

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look at properly. Or don’t understand how to look at it. It really is a relevant                               

topic for you and your business and the health of your business and the                           

longevity of your business. 

And I’m going to talk about some examples, I like to always give a story.                             

Whilst the facts are true, they are from case studies that I have helped people                             

with. I do change the names to maintain that confidentiality. We’re going to                         

talk about some fictitious people today, called Danny and June and I’ll go                         

through that with you, a little bit later. 

What do we mean when we’re talking about cash flow? And I’m going to give                             

you an analogy because I think it helps you to understand exactly what we                           

mean by cash flow. And the first thing is, to understand is that we’re talking                             

about money in your bank. And I think we all agree that money is pretty                             

important, because, well it’s really important because we’ve got to be able to                         

pay our bills. And we want to eat and provide food, put food on the table,                               

we’ve got to pay taxes, we’ve got to pay our rent, we’ve got to pay for our car                                   

registration and licensing. 

There are so many things that we have to put money to every single day of                               

the week, and that’s cash, cash flow. Cash flow is the money coming into your                             

bank account and going out of your bank account. And I’m sure you will agree                             

that that’s super important. Here’s an analogy for you to think about it, in                           

your business. And what I want you to do, is think about the size of your                               

business being the size of your car. You’ve got your profit and loss statement,                           

that we talked about back in episode 16 and you know now that your profit                             

for the year is X dollars. Let’s call that the size, that equates to the size of                                 

 

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your car. If we’ve got a little four-cylinder car, we might just be starting out in                               

business and we’re only just turning over a little bit of money. We’ve only just                             

got a bit of traction going. We might only be making a smallish profit, at this                               

particular point in time. 

And we mightn’t have a lot of assets and equipment and things like that, or                             

stock. We mightn’t have a lot of that stuff at the moment, because we’re just                             

starting out. We might be a consulting business or, very smallish sort of car,                           

let’s call that our ‘4 cylinder car’. 

And then you might have a larger business, where you’ve got employees                       

you’ve got to pay each week. And you’ve got lots of plant and equipment,                           

machinery. You might have trucks or forklifts or stock that you’ve got to keep                           

on the shelves. Let’s call that a larger car, that’s our ‘big F250’, that’s a big                               

beast of a car with 12 cylinders and whatever, I’m not really good with                           

mechanics, sorry. You get my drift though. 

We’ve got our smallish car and we’ve got our large cars, and then we’ve got                             

every other car between there. Well, as you know with a car, it takes petrol to                               

get you from A to B. If we go and buy a brand new car, if we buy a car today                                         

and we jump into the driver’s seat at the dealers, where we bought the car                             

from. Well, if it’s got no petrol in it, we’re not going to get out of the car yard,                                     

are we? 

We need petrol in the tank, and the smaller the car, we don’t need as much                               

petrol. But the bigger the car, we need a lot more petrol. And I want you to                                 

 

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think of that as cash flow. Think of that, petrol that you put in your car as your                                   

cash flow. And the size of your business is your actual size of your car. 

Cash flow, we need petrol to go places and cash flow is the same in your                               

business. You can’t get too far down the road if you don’t pay your rent if you                                 

don’t pay your staff, if you don’t buy your stock and pay your suppliers. You                             

won’t get too far down the road. Not only that, if you don’t have good cash                               

flow, you can’t pay your taxes, you can’t eat, there’s no food on the table. You                               

can get the drift. 

The cash flow is like the petrol in your car and what actually happens is, when                               

we run out of cash flow, we need to go to the, or fuel for our car, we go to the                                         

gas station. And we get gas and we fill it up and we go again for however                                 

many kilometers. And in your business, it’s exactly the same. It’s how long,                         

does it take to keep replenishing the cash flow in your business. That’s an                           

important thing that we want to know. And that’s what we call our ‘working                           

capital days’ and without getting too technical about that, what we’re talking                       

about there is, if we get a dollar out of our bank account and we invest it into                                   

our business. We buy some stock, we pay our employees. 

How long does it take for that cash, if you like, to get, what we’ve invested                               

with that cash, to get sold to a customer? And then how long does it take for                                 

the customer to pay us and put that money back in our bank account with                             

some profit? If we invest a dollar, then we want to be getting $1.50 back from                               

our customer. But we want to be getting it back quite quickly. Because the                           

longer it takes to get that money back in, we need more money to keep                             

paying the bills and that’s where this cash flow comes into it. We need to                             

 

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analyse what we call our ‘working capital days’, how long does it take to get                             

that money back in? 

I’m going to take you through that today and I’m going to show you why it’s                               

important, as I’ve just illustrated there, in terms of the fuel in your car. It does                               

affect your business because I’ve seen lots of businesses where they’re                     

actually quote profitable. They actually make good profit but they don’t have                       

any cash flow. They’re not structured correctly, and they’re not collecting                     

their money from their customers fast enough. They might be carrying too                       

much stock, they haven’t got the fuel in the tank and it’s too far to the next                                 

service station, to be able to get enough petrol to keep going forward. 

Even though the car’s getting bigger and it needs more fuel, the business just                           

isn’t generating enough, the petrol stations aren’t close enough to be keeping                       

that business afloat. And then what happens then is, basically, they can’t pay                         

their bills and then suppliers stop paying and then the landlord gets angry.                         

And then the tax man comes knocking and the IRS and it all just compounds                             

and snowballs from there. 

Really, really, I think you can see from there that it really is a major                             

fundamental part of your business, that you really want to get right. Today,                         

I’m going to teach you about that. I’m going to show you where it can go                               

wrong and what to look for. And I’m also going to show you how to monitor                               

and fix any cash flow problems, as well. And if you stick around at the end of                                 

the show, I will have some, I’ll go through some things that I’m going to                             

announce for you that are going to help you with your cash flow. They’re free                             

 

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things but they’ll be things that you can take away and really learn, hang                           

around for that at the end and I’ll give you those freebies, as well. 

Let’s start with a case study though, and I want to talk about Danny and June.                               

Now, Danny and June came and saw me because they had bought a business,                           

and when they bought a business, they bought an established brick and                       

mortar business that actually required the selling of physical products. And                     

these, what I’m going to tell you here applies whether you’re selling physical                         

products or not, but in Danny and June’s case, they were selling physical                         

products. 

They had premises, they bought a business, it had a lease with a premises.                           

And they had physical product so they had to buy stock etcetera to keep                           

running this business. And they took out a loan from the bank and the way                             

the loan was structured, it was going to be repaid over 15 years, and it was                               

going to be $2000 a month. They were going to pay down on this loan, now,                               

of that $2000, some of it was interest that they were paying to the bank for                               

the use of the money. And the other $1500 was actually to pay down the loan                               

that the bank had given them. The bank said, “Look, we’re going to give you                             

this money. We’re going to charge you interest each month. The repayments                       

are $2000 but I want $1500 to be reducing down off that loan every month.” 

And to top it off, the bank also gave Danny and June an overdraft or a credit                                 

line facility of $25,000 that they could use for emergency purposes. If they                         

got down the track and they ran out of cash, for any reason, or couldn’t pay                               

 

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their bills for any reason. They had this $25,000 emergency line of credit                         

slash overdraft that they could use in their business, as well. 

Now, where it went wrong was, Danny and June didn’t do any cash flow                           

planning around this at all. They had looked at the financial statements of the                           

business and they had worked out that the business was making a profit each                           

year. But what they didn’t do, is they didn’t sit down and work out a cash flow                                 

budget. And I’ll talk about what a cash flow budget is, shortly but they didn’t                             

sit down and plan where the money was going to come into the business and                             

when. And they didn’t plan where the money was going out and when. 

They really just thought, “We’ll be right, it’s making profit. We’ll just pay the                           

loan repayments.” And that’s really where they went wrong because they                     

didn’t have an understanding of their working capital cycle. Now by the time                         

they came to me because what happened, they started trading, they bought                       

some stock, they had to pay their suppliers for the stock. And the stock came                             

in, then the stock sat on the shelf for a little while, so it didn’t sell straight                                 

away. Some of it did, but they weren’t really moving it that fast. 

But the rent still needed paying, and when they did sell stock, they had to buy                               

more stock. But they also weren’t collecting the cash from their customers, at                         

the same time. So they were allowing their customers to pay them within 30                           

days or on terms, on credit terms. What they were effectively doing was                         

buying the stock, paying for the stock and then waiting 30 days to get the                             

money back in their bank account. 

 

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Now, you can understand that there’s a gap there. They need petrol in their                           

tank, which is the cash flow and what they ended up doing was, and of course,                               

the loan repayments were due, they were $2000 a month. They ended up                         

dipping into the $25,000 emergency fund because they didn’t have any other                       

money to do it. And the business wasn’t generating enough cash flow to help                           

keep up with the bills that were going out. 

When they came to see me, they were going, “This is just not working. We’re                             

making, we’re showing that we’re making a profit on our books. So when I do                             

the financial statements, it does show that we are making a profit.” But as I                             

explained to them, “You’re making a profit but the profit isn’t coming into the                           

bank. The profit is actually out there in the marketplace, your customers are                         

taking time to pay you, so there’s money out there owing to you from there.                             

You’ve invested money in stock, so you’ve got stock sitting on your shelves,                         

that you might be carrying too much stock. So you’ve got cash that’s actually                           

invested in that stock and you might be paying your suppliers, at the time                           

they invoice you. Straight away, so you’re not actually paying them on terms                         

but you’re letting your customers pay you on terms.” 

You can see there, that there’s this whole compounding problem. And to top                         

that off, when you pay principal down on a loan, that has to come out of your                                 

cash flow. When you pay that loan down, that’s coming out of your profit. So                             

if your business is not generating, as I said, their principal reduction was                         

$1500, before the business even looks like having to pay them some money                         

to live on, it has to generate at least $1500 of cash to be able to reduce that,                                   

out of profit, to reduce that loan down. 

 

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This is why a plan is so, so important. A cash flow plan and a cash flow plan is                                     

different to an actual budget, where you budget for a profit/loss. And again,                         

I’ll explain that very shortly but what I did with Danny and June, is I sat down                                 

with them and I said, “Okay, Danny and June, let’s have a look at what’s going                               

on there.” We worked out how many days from ordering their stock to paying                           

for it, it took. And then we worked out once their stock arrives, how long does                               

it sit on the shelf before it’s sold. And then once it’s sold, how long do we have                                   

to wait until we get our money back in our bank account. 

It turned out, it was something like 60 days from the very first day that the                               

money left the bank account till the day that the money came back into the                             

bank account. And actually with some profit attached to it, so 60 days they                           

were waiting, 60 days they’re paying rent, they’re paying all sorts of                       

overheads. They’re trying to live, they’re paying loan repayments. 60 days is                       

two months, so that’s two months worth of $1500 that they’ve had to pay to                             

their bank, to pay off their loan. 

It was no wonder they were dipping into their emergency reserve of $25,000                         

and now they were paying interest on that, as well. The cash flow cycle for                             

them was really, really bad. We sat down and we worked out, worked out                           

ways that we could. Firstly, we did a cash flow budget and we worked out                             

exactly what the year would look like and when things were going to be tight,                             

and when we were going to have extra cash. And we also worked out ways                             

that we could improve their cash flow. 

How could we have the stock sitting on our shelf for less time? Was there a                               

way we could contact our suppliers and see whether or not they could deliver                           

 

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to us, just in time? Toyota was very big at this, they actually initiated this just                               

in time ordering, so that they didn’t have working capital on cash flow sitting                           

on the shelves, waiting to go onto cars. This is the same for Danny and June,                               

how can we get our stock, just in time when we need it? How could we                               

improve the customer payments? We actually, was it worth us offering an                       

incentive for the customer to pay cash on delivery? Or do we, was there an                             

opportunity to cancel account payments in total. 

I mean, you pay for your groceries before you leave the store, surely we could                             

explain to our customers that they needed to also pay. These are all things we                             

worked through with Danny and June and then we also, as I say, worked out a                               

cash flow budget and took them through that exercise, to see exactly where                         

we were going to be needing more cash or where we had surplus cash and                             

was there enough cash flow there to actually maintain and operate the                       

business? 

And doing so too, also helped Danny and June to work out exactly how much                             

they could take out of the business to live on, as well. Because that’s an                             

important thing, it’s a common question I get asked. “Hey, I just got this new                             

business. How much can I pay myself or as a salary to live on?” Well, hang on,                                 

you’ve got to pay all these things first, so that’s important to work out a cash                               

flow projection there. 

Now, cash flow and cash flow statements and budgets, cash flow budgets,                       

they apply whether or not you’re in an online business. Whether you’re a                         

farmer, whether you’re a brick and mortar type business. Whatever business                     

you’re in, you really do need to have a good cash flow budget. And I’ll give you                                 

 

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an example, with a farmer, for instance, a farmer’s cash flow might only                         

happen seasonally through a year. They might plant their crops in late winter,                         

early spring and then the crops grow through summer and it mightn’t be, so                           

they’ve had all that time they’ve been buying seed, buying fertilizer, running                       

tractors and plows and paying staff etcetera. But there’s no money coming in                         

because the crop hasn’t grown yet. They can’t sell, if a farmer hasn’t got a                             

crop, he can’t sell it. 

And then, all of a sudden, they’ll get a big rush of cash when it comes to                                 

harvest time because all of a sudden the crop gets harvested and gets sold at                             

the markets. And then the cash starts coming in, and they’re cash-rich again.                         

Now if they spent all that money when they got the cash in, then they                             

wouldn’t have the money then to carry them through to the next season. 

You can see the importance of cash flow there, and again, keep thinking of                           

that fuel in your car. If you’ve got excess fuel in your car and you just dump it                                   

out and let it evaporate, the time that you need it, instead of storing it, you                               

could be doing yourself a disservice there. 

And if you look at a manufacturing business, they buy raw materials. They                         

might buy steel or sand or whatever it is that they’re making and nuts and                             

bolts, and all sorts of things. You buy that, if you buy too much of it for the                                   

amount that you’re subsequently making and selling, then that’s just going to                       

sit on the shelf and again, tie up in cash flow and put cash flow pressures on                                 

your business. And that’s why it all needs to be monitored. 

 

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Online businesses are the same if you’ve got an online business and you buy                           

20,000 skateboards from Ali Baba and you go and house them at Amazon                         

FDA. And it’s just sitting there on the shelf and you’re not selling them, that’s                             

cash flow tied up in products on shelves and you’re paying to advertise, you                           

might be advertising on social media. You might be paying fees for freight to                           

get, there’s a whole host of costs that go into it. It applies to online                             

businesses, physical businesses, cash flow. You’ve heard the saying probable,                   

“Cash is king” and it truly is king. Because without it, you’ve got an empty                             

shell, you’ve got a car with no petrol in the tank and that’s the critical point to                                 

make there. 

Understanding about cash flow and understanding why it’s important to your                     

business, we don’t want to say, “Well,” you’re probably wondering what’s the                       

best way to fix it then.” I mean, “How do I work out what my cash flow is in my                                       

business?” And the way we do it, there are several ways. By far the easiest                             

way for you, and best way is to, the most practical way would be to do a cash                                   

flow budget. A cash flow budget is different from a normal budget, because of                           

a cash. A normal budget tends to just look at what’s my sales, what’s my                             

projected budgeted sales and what is my, what are my expenses? And that                         

gives you a profit and loss. So that’s a budgeted profit and loss. 

But a cash flow budget is a bit different because it goes a bit further to say,                                 

“Okay, this is my profit and loss. These are the costs that I’ve got to pay for,                                 

but I also have to pay tax. And I also have to pay my loan repayments to the                                   

bank and I also have to pay for some new plant and equipment at some point                               

in time. Or I might have to, I might want to take, you definitely need to take                                 

 

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into consideration your drawings, your living that you’re taking out of the                       

business as well. 

Cash flow is looking at everything, all the cash coming into the business and                           

the cash going out. And what we want to look at, at the end of the day is, what                                     

is the bank balance difference between the start of the year and the end of                             

the year? And we want the end of the year to be a lot higher than what it was                                     

at the start of the year. And if your cash flow is right and you’ve taken all                                 

those other expenses, such as tax and loan repayments and paying your                       

suppliers and collecting money from your customers, you’ve taken all of that                       

into consideration. You should have more money in your bank account at the                         

end of the year in your business than you do at the start of the year. 

And I can, if you send me an email to [email protected]                     

actually, well you can send me an email but I’ll also put a cash flow template                               

up on the show notes, to help you as well. 

The other thing is, you can also go to, there’s software available that bolts                           

into your accounting programs. I think a lot of you might know, I use Xero, is                               

my preferred accounting, online accounting software. I have a program that I                       

can do an analysis of your cash flow for you, so if you need a hand working                                 

out your working capital days and those metrics that I was talking about,                         

drop me an email to [email protected] and I’ll have a look                     

at that for you and make sure we can work out your working capital cycles.                             

And just see what’s going on in your business, as well. There is analytical                           

 

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software that does actually analyse your financial statements and report                   

back what your cash flow’s doing. 

Don’t underestimate the, just one point on this, don’t underestimate the                     

importance of collecting your money sooner on your cash flow. One day, I’ve                         

seen instances where two or three days just make a massive, massive                       

difference to the bottom line of the money that’s in your bank account, at the                             

end of the year. Where I said before with Danny and June, it was taking 60                               

days to get their money back in. If we can improve that by two or three days,                                 

that makes a massive difference in the bottom line of their bank account. 

Don’t underestimate, don’t just go, “Oh, it’s only two days, it won’t matter.                         

Won’t make a difference.” It certainly does make a difference and if you drop                           

me a line, if you need a hand with that, I’ll certainly have a look at things for                                   

you to see what we can do to improve those collection cycles. 

But the main thing is, is that you understand it and you understand why cash                             

flow is so important and understand what your cash flow is doing in your                           

business. Because it might be exactly why you are currently feeling like                       

you’re doing all this work, you seem to be making profit but there’s nothing                           

sitting in the bank account. And that’s one of the things that people say to me                               

all the time when they come in. If I say, “Oh look, you’re making a profit of, say                                   

$100,000.” They go, “Well I don’t have $100,000 in the bank. Where is it?                           

There’s no way that can be right. I don’t, I’m not even, I’m hardly living.” 

It’s important to understand where all that cash is going and where it’s                         

leaking out of your business, and it does leak out if you don’t keep an eye on                                 

 

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it. Definitely do that, as I said, I’ll put some resources in the show notes as                               

well. Because there’s plenty of work we can do around there. And I’ll also put                             

some fact sheets there of ideas around improving your cash flow, how you                         

can improve your cash flow as well. Because that’s, so I’ll put up plenty of tips                               

over there and you can go over to those show notes. If you go to                             

www.businessmadeeasypodcast.com/episode17 I’ll make sure that I’ve got             

plenty of resources over there, in the show notes to help you understand                         

better your cash flow and what’s going on in your business. 

As I say, if you want me to actually do some more, deeper analysis of your                               

business, I can certainly look at it, with our software and do some modelling                           

for you around ways you can improve that as well. 

It might seem difficult to start with, getting your head around all that. I really                             

hope I’ve explained it clearly and in a way that’s meaningful. But don’t                         

underestimate the importance of it, cash flow in your business is king and you                           

need to be, at the very least, doing a cash flow budget. And that’s the reason                               

why banks always ask for it when you go to borrow money too. The banks                             

always ask you for a cash flow budget because they want to see that you can                               

repay the loan that they’re going to give you. They want to see that your                             

business is going to be good for the money that they’re lending you. That’s                           

why they always ask for a cash flow budget not just a normal profit and loss                               

budget. 

Critical to get that right. And whilst it will seem difficult to start with,                           

persevere with it and start getting a really good understanding of the cycles                         

in your business with your cash and you will jump in front of that. And you                               

 

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will see that, I mean business is a moving target, it’s moving every day. Sales                             

happen every day, customers come and go every day, you need to jump on it                             

ASAP too, if you aren’t already, to make sure that you are doing that. 

The other thing I’m going to do, and I just thought of this actually while I was                                 

putting this episode together, and I think it will be helpful because I do want                             

to help you get a grasp of this. I’m going to put together a free educational                               

training on how to do a cash flow statement. What I’ll do is I’ll do a YouTube                                 

tutorial and, with a worksheet and we might do a case study and work                           

through it and I can show you then how to do that. 

If that’s of interest to you, best to go over to the show notes and I’ll have a                                   

link over there called ‘Free tutorial signup.’ If you go over there and put your                             

details in there, I’ll make sure I contact you as soon as I get that out. I’ll                                 

probably do that over the Christmas break and we can start the New Year                           

with a fresh cash flow. Probably a good time to do it, going from January to                               

December. If that’s of interest, I’ll put a link over in the show notes as well                               

and I’ll contact you as soon as that’s free and we might jump on a webinar or                                 

I’ll do it as a tutorial. That way we can continue using it and help you out                                 

there. 

In summary, cash flow, it’s critically important to your business. I hope you                         

can see now, just how important it is and why. I hope those ideas that I’ve                               

given you there, also help you because, as I say, it is an important area of the                                 

business. 

 

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important to your business and making sure you get a better business life and                           

that’s what we’re all about. That’s it from me this week, I am going to, we’ve                               

got a great episode actually coming up next week. I’ve got an interview, we’re                           

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But until next week, I’m going to hand you over to Mia now, she’s going to                               

take us home and here’s to your success. All the best, bye. 

   

 

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