Case Number: 2016-31747 Statement of: Tammy...

Case Number: 2016-31747 Statement of: Tammy Kundler Capt. Mike Toney w/Ascension Parish Sheriff’s Office Investigator Ike Vavasseur w/Attorney General’s Office Investigator Danny McAllister w/Attorney General’s Office

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Toney This tape statement is being conducted at the Ascension Parish Sheriff’s Office;

time starting this tape statement is approximately 11:08 a.m. The date is August the 8th, of 2000 and 16. Present in the room is Investigator Ike Vavasseur with the Attorney General’s Office; Investigator Danny McAllister with the Attorney General’s Office, myself Captain Mike Toney with the Ascension Parish Sheriff’s Office and the person being interviewed today is a Tam-Mamie…Tammy Kundler?

Tammy Yes. Toney Okay Tammy ah before we went on ah tape here mmm you were advised of

your rights is that correct? Tammy Yes. Toney And you signed a rights form; is that correct? Tammy Yes. Toney And you’re still aware of your rights… Tammy Ah yes. Toney And that anytime that you want you can stop answering questions at any time. Tammy Yes. Toney Okay mmm and you signed that stating that? Tammy Yes I did. Toney Okay. Ike This your signature Ma’am? Tammy Yes it is. Ike Thank you.



Toney And we got a recorder going and your aware of that? Tammy Yes. Toney You have any objections to that? Tammy No. Toney Okay and this is ah as your aware mmm you came here voluntarily? Tammy Yes I did. Toney And this is concerning the ah investigation that we’re doing jointly with the

Attorney General’s Office concerning ah some allegations and ah about the Parish President?

Tammy Yes. Toney Okay. Mmm where do you work? Tammy I work for Bayou Financial Services in Gonzales. Toney And what is your position. Tammy I’m the Manager of that company. Toney The company just in Gonzales or in Global of all of it? Tammy No our; I work for Bayou Financial Services. Toney Okay. Tammy But that’s kind of like our home office because we have twenty four branches. Toney Of Bayou Financial? Tammy No there all separate entities.



Toney Okay. Tammy But we have twenty four branches. Toney And… Tammy One of em have the same name. Toney Okay and just so we understand your position or you on any board of directors

or anything like that for Bayou Financial? Tammy For Bayou Financial; yes I am…I think I’m secretary of the company. Toney Okay. Tammy Could be president cause I don’t know because I don’t really pay attention to

that kind of stuff. Toney Okay. Tammy I’m sorry. Toney So who owns Bayou Financial? Tammy Olin Berthelot. Toney Okay ah and how long you been working for him? Tammy How long ahh…thirty five years. Ike Let us...let us inaudible… Toney Thirty five. Ike Ma’am; I’m sorry again, how many branches do you have? Tammy We have twenty four branches. Ike Yea…with different names?



Tammy They all separate entities. Ike Got you. Tammy Yes. Toney And yeah according to the Secretary of State website; would that be right

Secretary? Tammy Yes; there you go. Toney Okay and the Vice President is Trella? Tammy Trella. Toney Berthelot? Tammy Mmm-mm. Toney That’s his wife? Tammy Mmm-mm. Toney And the President is Olin? Tammy Mmm-mm. Toney Okay. Tammy There you go. Toney Alright. That would be correct? Tammy Yes. Toney Okay. Tammy That’s good.



Toney Alright. So mmm will just go into what happen; it would be this pass Monday,

I’m I correct? Ike Yes. Toney Yeah. Ike Yeah but the; this…this information became available, was made aware to us

and the public through the public domain ah if you called last Monday they was a article.

Tammy That’s right. Ike In… Tammy A bunch of… Ike In…in the… Tammy Mmm-mm. Ike Pelican mmm what you call… Tammy Yes. Ike Pelican. Tammy Post. Toney Pel…pelican Post. That particular Monday that you was working mmm Mister

Lawson came into your office correct? Ike At… Tammy No. Toney No I’m sorry.



Ike It was… Toney That Friday. Tammy Mmm-mm the Friday morning. Toney Friday. Tammy Mmm-mm. Ike Okay. Toney Friday inaudible. Tammy The Friday morning he came into our office. Toney Mmm-mm. Tammy And like; okay you… Danny Did you know he was coming before he came to your office? Tammy Yes I knew he was coming because Olin was in Florida for the Life of

Convention and he called me that morning and he said; the Notary is gonna be there at ten thirty, Wayne’s coming he was drawn…he was withdrawing from the race.

Toney Okay did… Tammy So yes I did know Wayne was coming…when ah Friday morning. Toney So Fri… Danny You did… Toney Oh go ahead I’m sorry. Danny Excuse me! You knew who Wayne was; you knew of Wayne inaudible…?



Tammy Yeah I knew ah…ah I mean yeah he’s worked on campaign’s… Danny Okay. Tammy Before so yeah I knew him. Ike Was there any talk about his withdrawal prior to Friday? Tammy Wednesday before Olin left to go out of town; he left the folder with us, me

and Mandy who works with me and in that folder he had the withdrawal paper and he had an application for the parish, like parish job or whatever so he had that in a folder.

Ike What was in it again? Tammy The withdrawal form. Ike Mmm-mm. Tammy And the application for the job; a parish job and he had those two things and

he said he had to…well he was he was leaving because the conference started Wednesday in Florida so he left Wednesday and he left instructions with us; me and Mandy both, that Hey sometime he’s gonna be coming, I know it’s got to get notarize, there get a notary.

Danny Did you know about it before Wednesday? Tammy No. Danny Anything? Tammy No; when… Danny Over hear; did y’all hear any conversations? Tammy No. That meeting that they had was closed door and I didn’t even know about

that meeting. Toney Did…did?



Tammy Not at all. Toney Did you see them there? Tammy I saw; yeah cause I mean we were working, we went to work… Ike Okay and who…? tammy At eight thirty. Ike And who did you see their Ma’am? Tammy It was Kenny; Olin and Wayne. Toney And that would have been what morning; the best of your knowledge? Tammy Ahh…I…I… Ike Can I help you with days? Tammy It…well it would either…No because I’m not good with days. Ike Can I give a calendar to look at? Tammy It would either be the Monday or the Tuesday because… Toney Of the same week. Tammy He had to go out of town Wednesday. Toney Okay. Tammy So it had to be the Monday or the Tuesday; the Wednesday he, I don’t know

what I’m supposed to do. Toney No your…that’s good. Tammy Okay. The Wednesday; the Wednesday whenever he was leaving to go out of



town he gave us a folder and it had that application in it and it had the withdrawal in it and he said; that they were gonna be coming by because Wayne was withdrawing from the race; sometime. I don’t even know if we talked to Olin Thursday; I really don’t know but Friday morning whenever Olin calls Friday morning cause he calls me and he says that Kenny has a notary coming by there at ten thirty; Wayne is withdrawing from the race and give him the application, give him the mmm, have him sign the withdrawal form and give him the envelope.

Toney Okay. Tammy And that is how he put it to us but I mean we both knew about it you know… Toney Who’s…who’s…but… Tammy It wasn’t like… Toney Who’s we? Tammy Me and Mandy; we at work like… Toney What’s Mandy’s last name? Tammy Purpera. Toney Okay. Tammy But I mean we’re working you know and the only thing we know is the girls

coming in at ten thirty to sign the withdrawal. Toney Have you ever seen the notary before? Tammy I do not know her; I still don’t even know her name. Toney Okay. Tammy Other than what they said; I don’t know her. Toney Has your office ever handled applications fo…for employment for the Parish of



Ascension before? Tammy Not that I know of I mean no; not, no, I mean I can’t. Toney Was any… Tammy Recall that. Toney Was any loan paperwork ah filled out? Tammy No; whenever Olin called me Friday morning he told me, this is his words, He

said; well not maybe exact words but he told me he said; there gonna, he said Wayne withdrawing from the race, a notary is coming at ten thirty, give them the mmm have her sign the notarized the withdrawal form, I got a courier or courier or whatever, somebody’s bringing it to Secretary of State and I got that. Give him the application and hand him the envelope; in those…those terms. That was…

Toney What was in the envelopes? Tammy Well it was one envelope. Toney Okay. Tammy And I mean I knew it was money; it had a Whitney Bank thing on the outside. Toney Where did that money come from? Tammy Not me. Toney I understand not you. Tammy I didn’t… Toney But where did it come from? Tammy It mmm well; okay. Well I mean I might has well tell the truth. Donna works

at Ascension Credit; she walks in that morning early and she hands me the envelope, us, she gives it to us, the envelope.



Toney Donna at Ascension Credit? Tammy Donna at Ascension Credit. Toney Talking about the Credit Union? Tammy No; Ascension Credit. Danny Is that where your…where your… Tammy That’s one of our branches. Toney Okay. Tammy Donna walks in with the money that morning before; like before the ten thirty,

she walks in with the money, I could tell it’s money I mean it’s in a Whitney Bank envelope but I don’t fool with it, I don’t count it, I don’t do anything. I put it; we have a little cubie thing, I put it right there, the em…the manila folder with the two things or right here. Olin calls he says; there coming at ten thirty, he’s withdrawing from the race, doing the notary, give him…get that signed. The notary comes in at ten thirty; she asked for his driver’s license a few times because she doesn’t know him.

Toney Mmm-mm. Tammy And he just; he calls out the…he ne…you know goes word for word with the

withdrawal. Then he says well don’t you have something else for me and then we hand him the application cause I’m like; yeah I mean we got the application and then he’s like; well don’t you have something else for me, and I’m like ah yeah Olin said give you this envelope. So I give him the envelope; he opens the envelope, cause I’m thinking what difference does it make at this point you know I mean, I’m just thinking I’m doing what Olin said in those steps; just in those steps.

Toney Mmm… Tammy And…



Toney You just following instructions from your Boss? Tammy Yeah I’m just doing those steps so then the notary keeps on asking for it and

she you know; she’s like, Well Sir I need to have your mmm your driver’s license before we do the notary so that goes on for a few minutes. Well then after…after he reads the withdrawal and he has the mmm that application in his hand he takes the envelope; cause I gave it to him, cause I’m like ah I don’t…it ain’t me, it ain’t my money I don’t know. So okay so he gets that envelope and he counts it out and he’s like; well that’s…I don’t know, it was nine hundred dollars and then he says; Well that’s not what we agreed on and I’m like I don’t know, I don’t even know how money was in there, I don’t know and then I’m talking to Olin on the phone and I’m like, Well he’s saying and I’m like, yeah the mmm the entry fee so the entry fee is in an envelope because I…I hand wrote on that because Olin did tell me you know we agreed to give him back the entry fee so it’s…it…my handwriting on the envelope, entry fee, a hundred and fifty dollars is sealed, state, everything.

Toney Let me clear you up there; when you saying we decided to give him the entry

fee back, you meaning you? Tammy Oh No; Olin and Kenny I guess. Toney Okay. Tammy Yeah; no. I mean… Toney So he’s just telling you; we as meaning… Tammy He’s just; yeah. Toney Him and…an…and Kenny. Tammy And Kenny. Toney Okay. Tammy Yes so I’m like; Oh yeah I forgot about that ah…ah I did, I’m…I…I forgot about

it, I you know I was just thinking you know get him to sign the withdrawal form, he was withdrawing out the race. So I have the envelope and I hand it



to him and I’m like; yeah and he’s like well that’s still not what we agreed on and I’m like ah…I don’t know. I don’t know and so ah on the phone with Olin and he was like; Well Tammy he said, give him…ah write him a check for the hundred and fifty dollars. He said; ah just give him a check so I tell Wayne that, I’m like I can give you a check, well I don’t want a check I want cash. I’m like; I don’t know…I don’t know what to tell you I mean I can…I’m just doing what Olin says to do and I can give you a check if it’s twelve hundred dollar’s y’all borrowing for…you know you loaning him, I don’t know.

Ike You said a hundred and fifty; you write a check for a fifty…did you... Tammy No the whole… Ike Need proof of it or… Tammy No! No! They had nine hundred dollars that he counted out; they had the

hundred and fifty dollar… Ike I said the hundred and fifty… Tammy Was in the thing. Ike And another hundred and fifty. Tammy And then a hundred and fifty more. Toney To make up the twelve hundred. Tammy Would be twelve hundred. Ike Got you. Okay. Tammy So I’m thinking; I don’t have it and I ain’t giving you no money I mean it’s not

me. So that’s pretty much and I didn’t know that he walked out because I got a phone call in between all that from my husband’s truck so I went in my office to take that phone call and that’s whenever he walked out. Well whenever he goes to walk out apparently he asked the notary lady to walk out to.

Toney Mmm-mm.



Tammy And when she goes to walk outside she saw Wade and that’s whenever she

turned around; well she told Mandy, she said…she said that’s Wade and I…I don’t know Wade and Mandy doesn’t know Wade and she was like but I’m telling y’all that is Wade with Pelican Post so the lady, I mean and I apologized to her, I said I am so sorry. I am so sorry; you were here just to do a notary at ten thirty, honest to God that was all you had. I mean I apologized to her and she so she was like; I don’t want to go through the front door because I know that’s Wade out there, she said can I mmm go to the back and I said sure and I mean that’s…

Toney What did you think at that point? Tammy I knew it was bad but I just ahh in…in my eyes I didn’t know it was bad like… Ike What do you mean by just; it was bad? Tammy Ahh…well I guess with her saying that I was like… Ike With her saying Wade was outside? Tammy Yeah I knew it was like; ah because she had…she told me then, she was like

Wade is out to get Kenny and I’m like; I don’t know…I don’t know, all I can tell you is you know what happen and how it happen and I mean I apologized to her and I just told her and she walked…I let her go out the back door.

Toney Who is Donna; what’s Donna’s last name? Tammy Michael. Toney Donna Michael; like… Tammy Yes. Toney M-I-C-H-A-E-L? Tammy Mmm-mm. Toney Okay.



Danny Where is that phone company at? Tammy Burnside by; that way, by the Fred’s mmm Dollar Store mmm… Toney Going towards Saint Theresa? Tammy No; other way. Toney Okay. Tammy Going… Toney Going towards… Tammy Yes. Toney Ah 30. Tammy Yeah by the car wash. Toney Yes; I know where you at now. Yeah. Tammy Right there. Danny You have a phone number? Tammy Inaudible….(Mumbling) Toney And it’s called Ascension Credit but not the Credit Union? Tammy Ascension; No it’s Ascension Credit. Toney Okay. Tammy Is one of our offices. Toney Alright.



Ike What does Donna do there? Tammy She’s the Manager. Ike She’s the Manager of that branch? Tammy Yeah. Ike So just so I understand the; you’re the Manager over…you…you’re a Manager

above Donna? Tammy No. Ike Are your independ…? Tammy No; I…we’re… Ike You guys Bayou Financial Store…? Tammy I…yes; I run Bayou… Ike She does… Tammy Financial; she runs Ascension Credit, we’re all separate entities we don’t…I

mean yeah we talk to each other but we don’t you know we don’t mingle stuff like…

Toney But Olin owns both? Tammy Olin owns twenty four. Toney But he owns Ascension Credit? Tammy Yes he does. Toney Okay. Mmm… Tammy And I mean that’s…



Toney What was the purpose of you not wanting to count the money? Tammy Because I just ah…ah…it wasn’t me; it wasn’t me loaning him the money. Toney I understand but… Tammy You know. Toney Did you…is…did it make you uncomfortable or you just didn’t want to fool with

it or what? Tammy I just; I guess I just didn’t want to…didn’t care. I didn’t…I didn’t look at it one

way or the other I just was doing what Olin was saying; get the appli…you know give him the withdrawal form, get the application, give him the envelope.

Toney Do you know who the courier that was lined up? Do you know who that is? Tammy Yes. Toney Who is that? Tammy Kristen Champagne. Toney And who is she? Tammy She’s worked for us off and on but she’s going to hair school so she feels in for

us every now and then. Toney Oh so she’s y’all normal courier or…? Tammy She’s…she fills in for us so she was the one that Olin called to… Ike What’s her name again Ma’am? Tammy Kristen. Ike Kristen; Kristen, okay. Tammy Champagne and she did come to our office that morning because she didn’t



know that she wasn’t gonna have to take to the Secretary of State. Toney So when he leaves out and just from listening to the tape and all he comes

back in… Tammy He comes back in and he gives ahh…to be honest I don’t even remember if he

gave it to us; gave it to Mandy, I don’t know but he gave it all back, the girl leaves and I mean I told Mandy I said; Oh great! I said; you know I don’t know I mean this is crazy; this is like…like…

Toney But did he give the money back? Tammy He gave everything back. Toney Okay. Tammy Ah…I mean he gave us the envelopes; he gave us the mmm the manila folder

with the withdrawal and the application. Toney Was anything filled out? Tammy The withdrawal form was filled out. Toney He signed it? Tammy No. Toney Okay. Tammy He…he never gave the girl; and signed it, No. Toney When he came back in to do that did you call you anybody? Tammy Mmmmm…mm. Ike Any…anybody ca…did…did you call Olin or Olin called you? Tammy Olin called me.



Ike What did he say? Tammy Olin called me and told him; I said Wayne didn’t sign I mean you know he

didn’t sign this is… Ike What did he say? Tammy Oh well! I don’t know Tammy! I said; I don’t know either, I just say he didn’t

sign. Danny Where are those documents today? Tammy In our office. Danny Y’all still have em? Tammy Yeah in the manila folder. Danny At any point during this whole episode did anybody mention a word loan to

you? Tammy Loan to me? Danny Mmm-mm. Tammy I told ee…well Friday morning whenever Olin called; because Wednesday when

Olin left there was no mention of money ah promise no mention of money at all. Friday morning whenever he calls he says; Oh well he needs some money and I’m like; Olin I mean you gonna do that and he was like, well Tammy yeah! I’m like; Okay it ain’t my money! I don’t…

Ike Okay. Tammy So I mean yeah he…he did say it Friday morning so Friday morning it went… Ike He said the word loan? Tammy Yeah he said; I can make a personal loan to anybody and I’m like; Okay it’s not

my money.



Ike Well when you called him Friday you asked him to loan this kind of money? Tammy Friday morning when Olin called me to tell me the notary was coming at ten

thirty; that’s whenever he told me that and I’m like; you gonna…Wayne? And he was like; I know Tammy but he’s out of his luck and he needs some money I’m like…

Toney Had…had… Ike He used the term; personal loan? Tammy Yeah he; I asked him that, I said Olin are you’re sure? And he’s like; yeah he

said Tammy I can make a personal loan to anybody, that’s what he told me and I’m like, okay I mean we work in a finance company.

Toney What… Tammy But I know that he’s…he’s helped people out with money. Toney Y’all… Tammy I know he has. Toney Y’all had…y’all carry money on hand ah… Tammy Only; we start the day with two hundred dollars. Toney Okay. Tammy That’s why I couldn’t even cash that check I didn’t even have that money. Toney But why…and I’m just… Tammy I had… Toney What you say; Why would the money come from Ascension Credit? Tammy Look; I don’t know.



Toney If it’s a personal loan from Olin? Tammy Because Olin was out of town; I guess…. Ike Inaudible… Tammy Because see Wednesday Olin didn’t say nothing about money and Olin was in

Florida. Toney Do y’all co-mingle money between the two places? Tammy No. Mmm-mm. Ike So if you ha…if…if…if mmm Wayne would have said; Yeah give me

another…give me a check for a hundred and fifty dollars, Would you…what…what account you would have written that on?

Tammy Out of Olin’s account. Ike Did you… Toney His personal account? Tammy Yeah. Ike So you have access to Olin’s personal account? Tammy Yeah me and Mandy are both signers on Olin’s account. Ike So if you would of write that check you would have wrote it from Olin’s

personal account? Tammy Yes. I mean Olin told me to write it. Ike He… Tammy He said I don’t know…



Ike And yet… Tammy Tammy he said; Yeah get… Ike And he… Tammy He said; write him a check and then I’m…I’m telling…I’m repeating that to

Wayne and I’m like; Wayne Olin said I can give you a check and he’s like; well that’s not wha…ah you know he said he was gonna have cash. I’m like; I don’t know.

Ike Okay. So mmm ah could you have cashed that check; you said you start the

beginning… Tammy No. Ike You didn’t have… Tammy We…we only start with two hundred dollars a day. Ike But you said a hundred and fifty dollar check. Tammy I did; well we… Ike You didn’t have it? Tammy Don’t; if we…yeah but I’m not gonna empty my draw cashing a check, we but

no unless… Ike So you take cash payments throughout the day? Tammy If we take cash payments then I can cash a check but I have to keep two

hundred dollars for change. I don’t…we don’t cash checks unless we have money to do it and I mean I…I told Olin; I’m like he’s saying it’s twelve hundred dollars, and then…

Ike I need you to cut inaudible…you talked to Wayne so you talked to Olin; called

Olin twice?



Tammy Olin called us. Ike Olin called you; at what time? Tammy He…mmm okay ah… Ike Let’s start car-logical order. Tammy I’m gonna say ah we open at eight thirty so mmm I’m gonna say he called us

around nine; eight thirty… Ike Okay. Tammy Nine. Ike Tell us again that you got back to just to that conversation. Tammy Okay. He said; there coming…the notaries come…Kenny has a notary lined up,

they coming at ten thirty. He said; go head and he signing the withdrawal, give him the application and give him that money.

Ike Okay. Now… Tammy Give him the envelope. Ike So you…when he said withdrawal did you know what he meant? Tammy Well I mean I saw the withdrawal form but… Ike What did you…? Tammy I…I mean… Ike What did you…? Tammy I knew he sss… Ike Okay.



Tammy Withdrawing from the race. Ike And how did you know that? Tammy Because Wednesday whenever Olin was leaving to go out of town and he gave

us that; I’m like Olin I don’t understand like why you’re even fooling with this. Ike So and tell me his direction; tell me exactly what he said regarding that? Tammy He said that; if he…well you know if we don’t have to walk the streets and I’m

like; so what if we don’t have to walk the streets. So what if I mean… Ike What…what did…what did…what did that imply? Tammy Walking the streets to help in the race like… Ike So he’s…well… Tammy Neal’s… Ike Okay. Tammy Neal’s running for the race and… Ike Is Olin a supporter of Neal; is that what you’re saying? Tammy Yeah. Ike Okay. Tammy And he was like; well you know if we ain’t got…and I’m like; Sooo… Ike So if Olin…if Olin could…so what he’s saying if Wayne drops out that would

help; that would help ah…? Tammy Yeah. Ike Okay so back…back up just a little bit; kay.



Tammy Okay. Ike Go to the meeting that they had ah that was Olin; Kenny and Wayne? Tammy Yes it was. Ike Tell us about that day; what time was that meeting? Tammy It had to be early because I get in early. Ike Okay. Tammy And it was already there. Ike So what did you become aware that day of ah…were they there when you got

there? Tammy They were there whenever we got there. Ike So and where… Tammy And it was… Ike Where were they? Tammy They were in Olin’s Office; closed door. Ike Okay and how…how did you know; did you know who was in there with Olin? Tammy Yeah I mean you can see Olin. Ike Your…it’s glass? Tammy Yeah it’s glass with mini blinds. Ike Okay. Tammy I can see…



Ike So… Tammy Who was in there? Ike So you could see em meeting? Tammy Mmm-mm. Ike Ah do you know what was discussed? Tammy Mmm-mm. Ike Okay. How long did the meeting take place? But you didn’t know they were

gonna have a meeting? Tammy No. Ike So you walk there; you get it to work there is a meeting? Tammy Yes. Ike After the meeting what happens when the door opens? Who leaves first; do

you recall? Tammy No mmm… Ike Okay. Tammy Maybe Kenny. Ike Okay. Tammy And then Wayne; but ah I honestly I don’t… Ike Did you have any conversation with…? Tammy Nope. Ike Ken or Wha…ah Wayne that day?



Tammy Nope. Ike Alright after the meeting and the…and Kenny and Wayne leave? Did you have

any conversation with Olin about the meeting? Tammy No I mean just that he was going out of town and ah Wayne was signing the

withdrawal form and he gave it to us. Ike So he told you then… Tammy I’ll say about twelve o’clock. Ike So…so you knew…so…so from those actions tha…that…that conversation you

figured that’s what the meeting was about? Tammy Yeah. Ike Is that today? Tammy I mean he gave…he gave us the withdrawal form and the application? Ike Who filled it out; do you know? Tammy Mandy. Ike Mandy filled it out? Tammy Mmm-mm. Ike Okay ah in the presence of ah Wayne? Tammy Mmm…mmm…ah no I don’t think so. Ike Okay. Tammy I think Wayne was gone. Ike Okay.



Toney Is anybody else in your office a notary? Tammy No; Olin is. Toney Okay. Tammy Not me; not Mandy. Ike Who else was in your office ah when ah both these meetings happen? Tammy Nobody. Ike You and ah… Tammy Me and Mandy. Ike Are the… Tammy We’re working. Ike With the employees that operator the… Tammy The day of the meeting and me and Mandy were both there the day; I mean

we both had the envelope. Ike Yeah I’m just trying… Tammy You know. Ike To cover; do you say he works… Tammy Yeah. Ike Works in the office? Tammy No. Ike Okay.



Tammy We both; no we both. Ike Okay. Tammy Were there. Ike So what time did mmm Kristen get by; come by? Tammy She came mmmmmm…I don’t know; around eleven or… Ike Did… Tammy Something. Ike Any…did she and what did she say? Tammy She said; Olin called me to go run something to the Secretary of State, I said

No he didn’t sign. I said; I’m sorry that you came but no he didn’t sign. Ike Aside from obviously this…this stuff becoming public through Pelican Post did

you have any concerns or reservations about what was taking place why he wanted?

Tammy No. I never even; I never even thought it through like, it just ah… Ike Well let me ask you mmm… Tammy I mean I… Ike Political Candidate come into your office; there’s a form waiting for him to

withdraw money, there is money in the envelope that’s brought to you that morning.

Tammy Yeah. Ike Before their arrival and ah an application for a job. Tammy I know.



Ike Did you have any suspicious that maybe…? Tammy No I… Ike What was going…? Tammy Swear… Ike In radius fact. Tammy Mmm-mm. Ike Today as we sit here today do you; looked at it…? Tammy Yeah I look at it now like ah really; like this is bull, like really bull. Ike And when you say this is bull. Tammy Ah… Ike In what sense it; that you were…that this…that you were involved in this? Tammy Yeah ah I…I…I’m like really like this is… Ike Have you…have you had to…? Tammy Ridiculous! Ike Have you had that conversation with…with Olin? Tammy Yeah I told him but I mean ah you know and he’s apologized but I’m like this is

crazy; like I don’t…ah I don’t do…I don’t do bad things. I don’t…I don’t…this is crazy.

Toney Who you felt; when you’re saying that who you felt has done something wrong

here? Tammy They both I guess have done wrong but Olin I’m…Olin’s the one I mean that’s



who I’m mad at. I mean if I had to be mad at somebody; I don’t…I don’t do politics, I don’t…I…I…ah I’m just a person…

Ike What you’ve been with him… Tammy You know. Ike Thirty five years? Tammy Yeah. Ike So you go way back? Tammy Yeah. Ike Like you basically that’s the company expanding you; you’ve been there the

whole time. Tammy Every last one. Ike Did you ever want another branch? Tammy Nope. Ike Okay. Tammy Mmm-mm. Ike You…so you’ve held; you know Olin Berthelot? Tammy Yes. Ike Your obviously a trusted? Tammy Yes. Ike Employee and obviously there’s something that kept you there for thirty five

years?



Tammy Yeah. Ike As an employee. Tammy Yeah; I love my job. Ike Okay. Tammy I mean I do. Ike Ah…ah… Tammy It’s a great job. Ike I understand. Tammy You know. Ike And…and so my question to you is have you ever been asked; with y’all your

business skills, all the things that you have done on behalf of that company have you ever been asked anything like that before?

Tammy (Paused) Ah no not really; no. Ike So this… Tammy I mean yeah I’ve ah not really anybody’s come here and like walked in and

said; Oh Olin’s got an application for me, I don’t remember that ever happening ah you know.

Ike So ah okay…so…so let’s call that a very unusual event that you had ah…that ah

or ah requested you’ve been asked to do as an employee for Olin Berthelot would you…would you put that in that category?

Tammy Yeah cause I’ve never done that. Ike Okay. Tammy For him; no.



Ike So I’m just saying that would stand out well above anything that you do

at…you…been asked to do as an employee; is that…is that…? Tammy Yeah. Ike Safe to say? Tammy Yeah. Ike That’s a fair assessment? Tammy Yeah I would say that. Toney And you even questioned him as to like…? Tammy I did! Toney Why… Tammy Wednesday. Toney Why you’re doing this? Tammy I swear I did Wednesday morning; Wednesday at the office I’m like; Olin we

were in the back, he was eating breakfast and I’m like; ah why you even? Why you even fooling with that? And he was like; I know Tammy but if we don’t have to walk the streets and you know we don’t have to you know he’s saying that he’s gonna get out and I’m like; What…heck…that’s just to me that’s ah…a…ah if anybody that’s running for an election that’s what they do they go walk the streets.

Ike They…they… Tammy It’s not a big deal. Ike As far…you had that conversation with him when? Tammy Wednesday.



Ike Wednesday when he showed; when he said… Tammy Wednesday morning before he left to go to Florida. Ike He’d have you the papers? Tammy And that’s whenever we put in ah in a manila folder and we wrote on the

outside I think it say’s; City Councilmen. Ike Alright so as they say when you’re putting two and two together here; okay. Tammy Okay. Ike So here comes Donna with an envelope. Tammy She brings it; she walks in… Ike Did you know that was coming? Tammy Nope. Ike And so Donna gives you the envelope. Tammy I mean he tells me in a conver...ah…in phone conversation; yeah well we’re

giving him some money and I tell him I’m like; well you gonna do that and he’s like…?

Ike Listen to me; will give him some money? Tammy Yeah. Ike That’s…that’s… Tammy And said; he…he’s like Tammy I can loan anybody money. Ike Okay. Tammy And I said; Okay!



Toney Do you know who the we is? Tammy No but I take it it’s them. Ike Them as in who? Tammy Him and Kenny; not me. Toney Okay. Ike Do you…do you draw that conclusion for looking back at the meeting that you

saw… Tammy Yeah. Ike The three had? Tammy Yes. Ike Is that; is that what you’re saying? Okay. Tammy Yeah. Ike Alright so… Tammy So…so she comes in and she says; here this is for Olin and I put it like I said;

it’s right here in the little cubby and that’s where that envelope is. Ike And it’s; is it…you said envelope is it like when you go to a bank and cash a

check? Tammy It’s ah… Ike That did the loan on it? Tammy Yes it says the bank on the outside of it. Ike And what bank did it say?



Tammy Whitney. Ike Okay and does…does Ascension Credit bank at Whitney Bank? Tammy Yes. Ike So… Toney Do y’all bank at Whitney? Tammy Yes. Ike So it…you…you guys use Whitney? Tammy Yes. Ike So what would be your assumption that where that money…that…that money

came from ah…? Tammy Olin. Ike Okay so… Tammy If I had inaudible… Ike Olin banks his personal accounts at Whitney? Tammy No. Ike Okay but the business accounts or at Whitney? Tammy Mmm-mm. Ike So; okay… Toney So… Tammy So…



Ike Where does Olin bank? Tammy Ah… Ike You recall? Tammy Capital One. Toney So… Tammy So… Toney What would be your assumption then if as being in a Whitney money envelope;

it came from… Tammy I didn’t even… Toney Ascension Credit. Tammy Ahh… Toney Even now? Tammy Yeah. I don’t know; all…all I can think is that the money came from Olin but I

don’t know the ends and outs, I don’t know. Toney Does the girl…what…what; her name is Donna? Tammy Donna. Toney Does she have ah authority to write; does he have a personal checking

account; does she has right to too? Tammy Through Ascension Credit? Toney No like Olin; you said you…you could write personal… Tammy Oh No.



Ike Check out of his? Tammy Yeah. Toney His bank account; does she? Tammy I don’t know. Toney Okay. Tammy I don’t know. Toney Or does he have a personal check account with each branch? Tammy No. Toney Okay. Ike Okay so will go back again just for my understanding so forgive me. He left

the forms. Tammy He did. Ike He tells you to come and… Tammy In a manila folder. Ike And the notes to you Donna walks through the door with an envelope. Tammy Donna comes in; she hands us… Ike And she says… Tammy The envelope. Ike Here what…what she say? Tammy And I’m like; ah…ah…I’m like what is, she says I…I said; well what is…I said



well I can tell it’s money I said but what is…she said; I don’t know sss…I think she told me at that time Olin call…this, I’m just delivering this to…to y’all.

Ike But did she say who to give it to; wha…what’s it for? Well how did you know

to connect to that…? Tammy Deliver it to him. Ike That goes in that envelope was related to… Tammy Because Olin called and he told me… Ike Oh. Tammy That they were loaning money to him. Ike Okay that; so… Tammy But I don’t know how that money was retrieved; I don’t know. Toney So you don’t know what bank account it came from all you know is… Tammy No. Toney Donna. Tammy How I know is Donna brought it… Toney Showed up with it. Tammy In. Toney About what time? Tammy Well ah it would have been before ten thirty cause they were coming at ten

thirty. Ike So…



Tammy And he…ah he…at…like I said on the phone conversation with Olin he tells me they coming at ten thirty on and on and on; give them that, give them that, give them that and I’m just doing the…what…what…

Toney Your boss told you to do? Tammy Yeah; period and I know it… Ike What happen to the money after Wayne didn’t take it; where’s it at now? Tammy We put it in our bank bag and it’s still there. Ike Okay so mmm… Tammy I mean I have the envelope and the other money. Ike Okay. Mmm okay mmm… Tammy And we have the…the manila folder and I have the… Ike Okay. Toney So Olin didn’t come back and get it; no one come and picked it up or

any…asked questions about it? Tammy No I think it’s still at the office in the bank bag; I can check but no. Toney No I’m just curious. Tammy No. Ike Mmm so mmm so you know; how…how long so you know Wayne is a

customer of Bayou Financial or some of the branches that you know of? Tammy Wayne does have a loan at Liberty and I do know that because Liberty had one

branch manager and now she…he’s…now the manager there is Janine and I know he has a loan there because I mean we talk about she’s a new manager so she’s not trained so a lot of the loans that she makes she calls me on it so I have ah I know Wayne does one there but I can’t tell you. I don’t know what



he owes; I don’t know anything… Ike Yeah I’m just being…tell…I’m telling…I was just wondering if… Tammy No. Ike You knew him as a client? Toney Do you know if he would have any out of the twenty four other branches;

do…does he have a loan? Tammy I have no idea of knowing that. Ike You…and you…wha… Tammy The only… Ike Would you even have that visibility? Tammy Nope. Ike Cause… Tammy We don’t… Ike There that independent; their…you… Tammy Sss… Ike Okay… Tammy We’re not… Ike So other than… Tammy We’re not connected. Ike Other than someone calling you say; Hey! So wha…how do you share

information; how do you keep someone that’s in bad standing at liberty from



going to where you work and get that loan? How do you have that visibility that someone…?

Tammy Well no we get; I mean your…if somebody’s calling in an application. Ike Okay. Tammy Are somebody comes in we take an application and then we run a credit

bureau on em. Toney So the credit bureau would… Tammy So the credit bureau is… Ike What they say outstanding… Tammy Is what. Ike Liberty. Tammy Yeah. Ike Yeah; okay. Tammy Yeah. Ike Just trying to understand. Tammy Yeah; no the credit bureau would show who’s… Toney And that’s a standard…? Tammy Who the other creditors are. Toney Is that a standard on any loan that y’all do would be a credit history

and…and… Tammy Mmm-mm.



Toney And everything? Tammy Yeah! Yeah! Toney So unless it’ll be a personal loan? Tammy Yeah. Mmm-mm. Toney Have you ever known a personal loan to go out where nothing like that has

never been done; like a credit report, standard application…? Tammy Like our normal customers; no. Toney I’m talking about in general have you ever known…? Tammy I know Olin has helped people before; yeah. Toney Out of his personal money? Tammy Yeah. Toney Okay. Tammy He has; I do know that. Ike Inaudible… Danny This loan. Ike Careful… Danny Was that a personal loan or a loan from the company? Tammy No we didn’t have any paperwork. Danny Did Olin give him a personal loan? Tammy Personal; that was no paperwork, no computer printout.



Danny Came out of Olin’s pocket. Tammy Nothing. Yes that is… Toney That you know of? Tammy Yeah; well yeah because I don’t know; I can’t even say where the nine

hundred dollars came from, all I know is she brought an envelope, I could tell it was money but you know I just thought.

Danny Well they only said that… Tammy They sign the withdrawal… Danny We are gonna give him a loan; who is we? Tammy I guess it’s meaning Kenny and… Danny Okay. Tammy And Olin. Danny So…so you…you recognize there is a difference between a personal loan and a

conventional loan? Tammy Yeah. Danny Correct? Tammy I mean there was no paperwork; no application… Danny In your opinion this is… Tammy No nothing. Danny A personal loan? Tammy Ah yeah I mean Olin has done personal loans.



Danny Okay. Tammy To people; I can name some. Ike But the money that Wayne counted out came from the envelope that Donna

brought is that correct? Tammy Yes. Ike Okay. When you said Wayne is ah…ah Olin has loan people money before;

have you had anyone come there and Wayne says; give them some money in an envelope?

Tammy No. Ike So how do you know he’s loan people personal? Tammy Cause I work for him and he’s felt…he… Ike Well can you just give us a… Tammy Yeah. Ike Just give us an example. Tammy Mmm… Toney You don’t have to say names but… Ike Yeah just an example. Toney Kind of… Tammy Ah yeah one of the girls that worked for us before she was in between ah

selling her trailer and buying a trailer; Olin helped her out. Ike But the circumstances were totally different? Tammy Yes! Yes! Yeah.



Ike Okay. Tammy But I mean; yeah he’s…he’s gave people money. Ike Ah I think probably everybody I assume has loan some mmm so

personal…personal loan. Tammy Yeah I mean. Ike Yeah. Okay just try to understand so… Tammy I get it. Ike Yeah. Tammy You know. Ike I’m just trying to understand the difference I mean this was kind of different

kind of setting; this is not ah where… Tammy Yeah. Ike He loan money to. Mmm so ah Kristen comes; shows up and you say, Hey… Tammy Yeah… Ike He sign the paper. Tammy I’m like he…he didn’t sign the withdrawal; I’m sorry. Ike Mmm-mm. Tammy You know; I’m sorry that you… Ike And… Tammy Came over here.



Ike Okay now has since that day has Kristen called you and say; Hey was…what’s this all about?

Tammy No. Ike Okay. Tammy She sent me a text because she’s filling in this week at our Baton Rouge Office

but that was just…just strictly talking about the job. Ike Do you know if it ah do you know if…if mmm Olin had any conversation with

ah your co-worker; Miss Purpera, I got this? Tammy Ah no he talked out loud between both of us. Ike Both of y’all? Tammy Mmm-mm. Ike When was that conversation made? Tammy Well we were both working Wednesday so we both knew about Wednesday… Ike So… Tammy And we were both their Friday. Ike So when he…I’m sorry; when he come back in town? Have you… Tammy Ahh…maybe Wednesday or Thursday of last week. Ike So…so he met with y’all personally in…in person and had that discussion? Tammy Wait are you talking about; since all this happen? Ike I’m talking about; yes! Olin…you said Olin apologized to you was that on a

Friday? Tammy Friday; he came to the office Friday.



Ike When he came? Tammy This pass Friday. Ike And he met with both you and Miss Purpera? Tammy He did. Mmm-mm. Ike And he’s…he apologized? Tammy He did; he said he was sorry that he got us involved in it in anyway shape or

form, he apologized, he said I am so sorry and yeah that was Friday. Toney Have you and mmm Mandy; it’s Mandy Purpera right? Tammy Mandy. Toney Have y’all talked since this and like…? Tammy Yeah. Toney What…what…? Tammy Because we’re; Man. Toney Well what…what was the conversation between the both of y’all? Tammy The conversation is; I can’t believe Olin would involve his self in something so

stupid, like ah I tried telling him Wednesday morning and I just…I like, really and all he could say is ah…ah well you know if we don’t have to walk the streets and I’m like; Olin who cares if y’all got to walk the streets and then ah you know yeah we talk about it and I’m like…it…it…

Toney What’s Mandy saying? Tammy She’s upset; she’s mad. Ike How long has Mandy been with the company?



Tammy Five years. This has never happen; ever…ever…ever! Ike Okay. Tammy Five years Mandy’s worked for me; yes and ah… Toney What was the notary; did she make any phone calls when she was there that

you over heard or anything? Tammy No not to my knowledge. Mmm-mm she was…she said she; I mean we talked

in conversation she said she was cutting grass and she came and… Toney It…was she on her phone texting or anything you know of? Tammy Maybe she texted. Toney Mmm-mm. Tammy But she; I didn’t hear her on the phone…phone; I mean you got realize this is

during working hours and we got… Toney I understand. Tammy Phone calls and stuff but I’m say… Toney What was the purpose of wanting to go out the back door? Tammy Because she said; that she recognized Wade. Toney Okay Wade… Tammy And… Toney Wade sitting out front; wha…what would that…? Tammy Well she said; that she…she knew that Wade was out to get Kenny. Toney Mmm-mm.



Tammy And she didn’t want no part of it and she asked to…and that’s whenever I

apologized to her I said; I am so sorry, I mean… Toney But was Wade involved in any of the meetings that Kenny and ah… Tammy No Wade was not… Toney Olin had? Tammy At our office during the meeting; no. Toney Was there any instructions that says Wade was gonna be there? Tammy No. Toney So everything that happen prior to the Friday and then she’s seeing Wade was

between who; what parties that you know of? Tammy Wait repeat that because she…sss…she just…he ah from what I gather… Toney Was Wade in any…in…in any meetings or anything that you know of that you

over…? Tammy No. Toney Ssss…ah seen. Tammy I never saw Wade. Toney Who was always in the meetings that you seen and from the information you

learned from Olin… Tammy It was just… Ike Who was always involved? Tammy Those three. It was…it was Olin; Wayne and Kenny.



Toney Okay. Tammy No not Wade at all; like I don’t know Wade at all. Toney Okay. Tammy But she just; when she went to…he…from what I understand cause I had a

phone call, Wad…Wayne said; Miss will you walk out with me? And when she went to walk toward the door that’s when she saw Wade and she turned around and ha…he’s outside and she turns around and she says; I’m not going…I guess she said; I’m not going out there or that’s Wade he’s been trying to get at Kenny. I don’t know the specifics and ah about that time I come out of my office and that’s whenever she says; Hey I…you know…I…I..I want ah I don’t want no part of this…ah…I don’t want to and I’m…I apologized. I’m like I am so sorry; I mean I thought you was just here da…notarize his withdrawal.

Toney And so where did she go? Tammy She asked to go out the back door and I took her to the back; out of the back

door and she left. Toney Okay. Danny Who is Kristy? Tammy Kristen. Ike Kristen. Danny Kristen. Tammy Kristen’s worked for us before at a couple of our branches and she’s going to

hair school so she’s just filling in. Danny She’s just inaudible… Ike Where…where’s the Baton Rouge office at?



Tammy Mmm on Florida. Ike What’s the name of it? Tammy Baton Rouge Financial. Ike Okay. She says she’s working today? Tammy She is; she’s there this week. Ike All week; okay wha…what’s her hours? Tammy We open eight thirty to five. Ike Yeah; okay. Toney You got a number for her? Tammy I don’t know numbers cause… Ike When inaudible… Tammy Cause they all on speed dial I’m sorry. Ike Well y’all; well spell…you probably got a cell number for her to huh at office? Tammy No response. Ike No? Tammy Ahh… Ike You can call the office? Tammy Ahh…I have Kristen’s cell phone number if you need it? Ike Yeah; I’m ah yeah! We probably want to talk to her at some point and just

coordinate with her that would be great.



Tammy Oookay. Toney Does anybody know you’re here today? Tammy Yeah; Olin and Mandy. Toney And when you told Olin you were coming here what…? Tammy I just walked out of the door; I said they want me to…they…the Sheriff’s

Department called me I’m going give my statement. Toney Okay and what he said? Tammy Nothing I think he was on the phone and I just left. Toney Okay. Ike What’s your…what’s your num…for…cell number? Tammy Ah 225-7 mmm 15-4767. Ike Okay. Tammy Lets’ see…who we…mmm Toney This is not a trick…trick question or anything… Tammy Alright. Toney Would you…would you lie for anybody? Tammy No I’m not lying. Toney And if someone asked you to ah tell a different side of the story would you? Tammy Nope I’ll tell the same story; that’s pretty much how it happen on tape, I didn’t

listen to the whole thing but I did at the end of the tape I told him because we kept asking for his driver’s license cause I knew him but the notary didn’t know him before he signs he has to show and I was gonna make a copy of his



driver’s license and I’m like; Well Wayne I say…cause he comes back and he says; Oh well I guess I’m gonna ne…ah I guess my ah driver’s license is zzz…at home, I’m like Wayne you running for City Council and you driving around without your driver’s license.

Ike Yeah. Toney It’s… Tammy I said; that’s not real good Huh? And he said; well I guess I’m go get it, I

guess I left it at my house and then he left at that point but I mean no I can repeat the whole story, we can go through it all over again and I…I…I…ah pretty much how it happen on the tape is pretty much what…what was said. Maybe there is some ends and outs because I mean I was taking phone calls to I mean we were at work.

Toney Ah and any…and anything prior to the tape statement as far as what you saw;

what you over heard outside of those tape statements, you would be honest and truthful about that as well?

Tammy Yes I’m gonna tell you the truth; I don’t have nothing to hide. I don’t…I don’t

have nothing to hide. Ike We appreciate that. Tammy I…ah…I’m not gonna lie. Ike Okay. Tammy I’m not! I mean I…you can… Toney And we’re not saying you will but we just… Tammy And you can; no I get it but you can start all over and I will tell you the same

thing. I am not gonna lie. Ike Okay. Tammy I am not gonna lie.



Ike We appreciate that. Tammy I’m not! I…I’m sorry; the truth…I…I’m not I mean, no Kristen’s phone

number. Ike Yes Ma’am. Tammy No; I mean you can…we can start over and I can tell you the same…same

story. Ike Okay. Tammy I mean ah it…it might change because of I don’t know exact times and stuff. Ike Sure. Tammy But I know all that happen Friday morning and I know what happen

Wednesday. Wednesday no money was involved; we had two things in the folder. Friday he calls and he says; Oh Wayne need some money and I’m like, Olin you can do that! And I’m like why you know…

Ike Two things… Tammy And he was like; yeah! Ike Two things were in the folder after the meeting; he gave you the folder…? Tammy Exactly. Ike With the applica… Tammy Whenever he leaves to go out of town; two things are in the folder. He leaves

to go to sp…ah…fa…Florida for the convention. Friday morning whenever he calls he says; they coming at ten thirty give them this, this and this.

Ike Alright. Tammy That’s all; period, end ah…



Ike Oh I know what I wanted to ask you. Do you know mmm ah Paul

Bourque…Bourque who’s running against Wade? Can… Tammy I don’t know Paul Bourque at all; never heard of him. Danny It’s Neal Bourque. Toney Neal Bourque. Ike Oh I’m sorry. Neal…Neal Bourque? Tammy Oh do I know Neal? Ike Yeah. Tammy Yeah. Ike So… Tammy He’s a good guy. Ike So; okay so that’s the re…that’s ah you understand that was the opponent

of…? Tammy Yes. Ike Would have been the opponent? Tammy Yeah. Ike And I think you told me earlier that mmm that you knew that ah Olin had…had

worked on Neal’s ah… Tammy Yeah. Ike Campaign? Tammy We…I mean through the years we’ve worked on ah I mean ah…



Ike You so…so… Tammy A hundred campaign’s probably. Ike So you been involved; he’s been involved in politics to some degree? Tammy The; yeah well through Olin. Ike Through Olin. Tammy Through work I mean just… Ike So…I understand. Tammy Yeah I mean just you know. Ike Right but so you were aware. Tammy We in people. Ike So you…so you…you…you know Mister Bourque? Tammy Yeah I know him. Ike So has he ever come to the office? Tammy Yeah he comes in and out all the time. Ike Do you remember the last time he was there? Tammy I don’t know mmm he ah like maybe four week ago now because it’s already

been… Ike And what was the reason for his visit that you know? Tammy He just; no, I don’t know. Ike Is that…



Tammy I mean he stops in occasionally but I don’t know. Ike The…the…did he come and…when he comes does he usually meet with Kenny

back in…in the ah with ah Olin in his office? Tammy Yeah but I mean he’ll come and ah I mean plenty of times he’ll just comes up

front and just chit chats and then you know. Ike So there…there…their friends; Olin and… Tammy Yeah. Ike And…mmm… Toney Have you ever seen any meetings ah with Olin; Neal and Kenny at that office? Tammy Who? Toney Kenny and Neal at that office? Tammy No. Mmm-mm. Ike How do you know Kenny Matassa other than the fact that he’s Parish

President? Tammy That’s all I know. Ike Has he had been to the office before? Tammy Yeah he’s been a few times here and there but I don’t; yeah. Ike Would you say he’s a friend of…of Olin’s? Tammy Mmm-mm. Ike Had you know if Olin had supported him in previous campaigns? Tammy Well yeah I mean Olin supported him as mmm both Parish President?



Ike Okay that was my question. Tammy Yeah. Ike Okay. Tammy But I mean; no I mean I don’t do politics so I only done, I know it sounds

crazy and looking back. Ike Just yeah. Tammy It looks; I’m telling you I…I believe me I get it, it looks bad, it looks horrible

but I only did what Olin told me to do and I’m not gonna lie about it. Ike Yes Ma’am. Tammy The…the story is the story and that is it. Ike That’s it… Tammy I mean I’m not; I’m sorry. Toney And we believe you. Tammy Ah…ah I’m not; I’m mmm I’m not saying something just because, I’m not

doing it. Ike I’m not gonna interrupt you anymore you can give me that number. Tammy Okay but this is the number. Ike Okay. Tammy It is; 225. Ike Okay. Tammy 439.



Ike Okay. Tammy 4741. Ike What’s the… Tammy Her name is Kristen Champagne. Ike Okay. Ah do you think ah what now your co-worker; what…what’s the best

time of day you think we could talk to her? Tammy We work eight thirty to five. Ike Okay. Toney You think… Ike So… Toney She could come out after you? Tammy Mmm-mm. Ike Well we gonna want to check on something first and then we need to check on

something. Tammy Yeah she can… Ike So then will just call you. Tammy She can ah…ah mean… Ike Will call you. Tammy We don’t have anything to hide; I swear. Ike Oh I know.



Tammy We don’t; I know it looks bad, I get it, I…I believe me I want to ring his neck right now to.

Toney (Chuckled) Tammy Cause it pisses me off. Ike Mmm-mm. Tammy But I just ah I truly don’t know; I…I…I…I look back and I’m like; Why would he

even want, what difference does it make if he’s out the dang gone race. It just doesn’t make sense.

Ike Right. Tammy It truly doesn’t; ah…I…it doesn’t make sense, it really…really doesn’t. Ike Well we appreciate mmm you coming in and talking to us; do you have any… Danny I have a question. Tammy Oookay. Danny Now you…you say that Wayne’s got a loan with the…with the other? Tammy He does. Danny Ah do you know if that loan has been forgiving? Tammy Forgiving? Danny Yes. Tammy No; he pays it. Danny He does but I mean since then has it been forgiving since then? Tammy No; he’s…he…no, well I mean I don’t know I hadn’t had I mean no it’s a note

he…he has a loan there, monthly payments, he pay…



Toney How much; you know ah the dollar amount? Tammy Mmm I don’t. Toney Okay. Tammy Because you see we swap Manager’s and like I said; she just calls me on

people and we kind of go over everything and she either makes loans or turns em down.

Ike So she was consulting with you an application to see…to see if you…? Tammy But that was… Ike You recall that… Tammy Like a while back I mean. Ike So…so that’s what…ah I…I don’t want to suggest it was something it’s not but

she calls you; she’s looking at the application, she’s a new Manager were she’s just trying to consult with you inaudible…?

Tammy Yeah on any of em that’s she questioning. Ike Okay. Tammy I mean anybody that she’s you know like she’s just getting started with being a

Manager but she does that with a bunch of people. Ike Yes Ma’am. Tammy I mean no. Ike Okay. Tammy Just a bunch of people and far as I know that loan is; yes, I mean it’s still…I

don’t…I don’t know cause we don’t, we’re not tied together so I don’t know how much they owe, I don’t know anything.



Ike In your thirty… Tammy I don’t know how; I don’t even remembered how much he borrowed; I…I just

assumed… Ike In the thirty five years working for Olin Berthelot has he ever tell you that he

was gonna forgive a loan? Tammy No. Ike Okay. Tammy No. Ike Okay. Well thanks; we appreciate you coming in. Toney Alright; we gonna conclude this tape statement. The time is approximately

12:00 p.m.; it’s the same date, same location and the same people present.

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