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Ideas Questions. Old New. . . …about viscosity, plateau modulus and Rouse chains. Chen-Yang Liu, Roland Keunings, Christian Bailly UCL, Louvain la Neuve, Belgium. Dynamics of complex fluids: 10 years on, Cambridge, October 2-5 2006. Objectives - outline. - PowerPoint PPT Presentation
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Chen-Yang Liu, Roland Keunings, Christian Bailly UCL, Louvain la Neuve, Belgium Dynamics of complex fluids: 10 years on, Cambridge, October 2-5 2006 Old New Ideas Question s …about viscosity, plateau modulus and Rouse chains
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Page 1: Chen-Yang Liu, Roland Keunings, Christian Bailly UCL, Louvain la Neuve, Belgium

Chen-Yang Liu, Roland Keunings, Christian Bailly

UCL, Louvain la Neuve, Belgium

Dynamics of complex fluids: 10 years on, Cambridge, October 2-5 2006

OldNew

IdeasQuestions

…about viscosity, plateau modulus and Rouse chains

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Objectives - outline

• Some old and recent results suggest there are still significant inconsistencies/questions about the LVE predictions of tube models

• Three examples :

– Why is Z-dependence of the plateau modulus is less than predicted ?

– Is the 3.4 power law fully understood after all ?

– Is Rouse really Rouse ?

Page 3: Chen-Yang Liu, Roland Keunings, Christian Bailly UCL, Louvain la Neuve, Belgium

Plateau modulus and zero shear viscosity :

questions about constraint release and fluctuations

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1E-8 1E-7 1E-6 1E-5 1E-4 1E-3 0.01 0.1 1 101E-3

0.01

0.1

1

10

τd τR

τeG', G"/Ge

ωτe

G' G"

Ze = 100

Gexpl determination

Gapp = G '(wmin G '' )

limZÆ •

(Gapp ) = GN0

Ferry (1980)

t (Gmin" ) ª t e.t R w(Gmin

" )

Minimum G’ method

Gexp l

Page 5: Chen-Yang Liu, Roland Keunings, Christian Bailly UCL, Louvain la Neuve, Belgium

Low polydispersity model polymers (anionic polymerization)-Polybutadiene-Polyisoprene-Polystyrene

Systems analysed

Raju VR; Menezes EV; Marin G; Graessley WW; Fetters LJ. Macromolecules 1981 1668 Struglinski MJ; Graessley WW. Macromolecules 1985 2630 Colby RH; Fetters LJ; Graessley WW. Macromolecules 1987 2226 Rubinstein M; Colby RH. J. Chem. Phys. 1988 5291 Baumgaertel M; Derosa ME; Machado J; Masse M; Winter HH. Rheol. Acta 1992 75 Wang SF; Wang SQ; Halasa A; Hsu WL. Macromolecules 2003 5355

Getro JT; Graessley WW. Macromolecules 1984 2767 Santangelo PG; Roland CM. Macromolecules 1998 3715 Watanabe et al. Macromolecules 2004 1937; and 2000 499Abdel-Goad M; Pyckhout-Hintzen W; Kahle S; Allgaier J; Richter D; Fetters LJ. Macromolecules 2004 8135

Onogi S; Masuda T; Kitagawa K. Macromolecules 1970 109 Graessley WW; Roovers J Macromolecules 1979 959 Schausberger A; Schindlauer G; Janeschitz-Kriegl H. Rheol. Acta 1985 220 Lomellini P. Polymer 1992 1255

Liu, He, Keunings, Bailly

Polymer (2006)

Page 6: Chen-Yang Liu, Roland Keunings, Christian Bailly UCL, Louvain la Neuve, Belgium

2.1 Dependence of GN0 on ZeDependence of Gexpl on Z

Red

uced

Gex

p

Page 7: Chen-Yang Liu, Roland Keunings, Christian Bailly UCL, Louvain la Neuve, Belgium

LM Theory : Exact CLF treatment + CR

Likhtman and McLeish Macromolecules (2002)

MW dependence of plateau modulus less than predicted by advanced tube models:

Liu et al. Macromolecules (2006)

Dependence of Gexpl on Z

10 100 10000.0

0.2

0.4

0.6

0.8

1.0

1.2

1.4

G'min G'' integral 3.56 G''max G'min 3.56 G''max

Z

Normalized

G0 app

G'min of L-M model K-N model

100k 1M20k Mw (g/mol)

Nor

mal

ized

Gep

xtl

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2.2 Comparison experimental data with predictions

Excellent accuracy for the terminal relaxation time

Significant stress deviations for low Mw samples

Relaxation time-modulus contradiction

Experimental data vs. predictions of LM theory

Inconsistency for the value of

G0F ; G0

NF 1- m.Z - 1/2ÈÎ

˘˚

t 0F ; t 0

NF 1- m.Z - 1/2ÈÎ

˘˚2

Page 9: Chen-Yang Liu, Roland Keunings, Christian Bailly UCL, Louvain la Neuve, Belgium

Non-permanententanglements

Fluctuations

3.4

0 MW3.4

D MW-2.3

Experimental scaling:

0

MW

Zero shear viscosity

Page 10: Chen-Yang Liu, Roland Keunings, Christian Bailly UCL, Louvain la Neuve, Belgium

CLF of Probe chainsUnaffected (?)

Tube Motion suppressed

Separate contributions of tube motion from CLF

Idea goes back to Ferry and coworkers (1974-81)

Put a small amount of short chains in a very high MW matrix

Probe rheology

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CLF of Probe chainsunaffected

Tube Motion suppressed

Separate contributions of tube motion from CLF

Key question : is there a MW dependence of the retardation factor ?

RF =

τ d of probe in Maτrixτ d of probe Self−elτ

Probe rheology

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CLF of Probe chainsunaffected

Tube Motion suppressed

Separate contributions of tube motion from CLF

If yes, there should be a contribution of tube motions to the non reptation scaling of viscosity !

Probe rheology

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10% Probe in Matrix

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Probe Rheology

▪ G’ ω2 and G’’ ω

▪ G’ and G’’ cross-point close to G’’max

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5 10 50 100 500

2.5

5

7.5

10

CR model: RF ~ 2.5

slope = - 0.3Retardation factors

Z

PBD PI PS Ref 45 Ref 46

Retardation Factors as a function of Z

meltSelfprobeofMatrixinprobeofRF

d

d

−=ττ

Page 16: Chen-Yang Liu, Roland Keunings, Christian Bailly UCL, Louvain la Neuve, Belgium

10 10010-5

10-4

10-3

10-2

10-1

100

3.4

3.1

τd

Z

in Maτrix in Self- elτ

τ d

τ d/Z

3

Probe rheology

Page 17: Chen-Yang Liu, Roland Keunings, Christian Bailly UCL, Louvain la Neuve, Belgium

CR parameter:

Cv = 1 or 0: with or without CRDoi (1981, 1983)Milner and McLeish (1998)Likhtman and McLeish (2002)

τ d/Z

3

Probe rheology

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Probe Rheology vs Tracer Diffusion

Lodge (1999)Wang (2003)

Two entangled environments:in Self-melt or in High Mw Matrix

DM

2

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Rouse region :

Longitudinal modes and « is it Rouse ? »

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PBD 1.2M Master Curve

10-3 10-1 101 103 105 107104

105

106

G' G'' Slope 0.71 CutRouse

G', G'' (Pa)

ω (rad/s)

τpeak ~ a few multiples of τe

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10-1 100 101 102104

105

106

107

Slope = 0.71

G' G''

G', G'' (Pa)

ω (rad/s)

PBD 1.2M –80 oC

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G’’ - (A.ω0.71)

10-1 100 101 1020

1x105

2x105

G'' - (A.ω0.71)

G'' (Pa)

ω (rad/s)

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10-3 10-1 101 103 105 1070.0

2.0x105

4.0x105

1.15E62.44E5

G'' CutRouse

G'' (Pa)

ω (rad/s)

Relaxation strength ~ 1/4 GN0

PBD 1.2M Master Curve Linear-Log

Page 24: Chen-Yang Liu, Roland Keunings, Christian Bailly UCL, Louvain la Neuve, Belgium

Longitudinal Modes

Shape of relaxation peak ~ Maxwell

105 106 107 1080

1x105

2x105

3x105

G', G'' (Pa)

ω/ω ax

Maxωell G' Maxωell G'' G' G''

Page 25: Chen-Yang Liu, Roland Keunings, Christian Bailly UCL, Louvain la Neuve, Belgium

102 104 106 108

0.0

0.2

0.4

0.6

0.8

1.0

1/τe = 106

1/τR = 100

G', G''

ω (rad/s)

G' of longiτudinal odes G'' of longiτudinal odes G' of Maxωell τx = 3 τe G'' of Maxωell τx = 3 τe

Slippage of a polymer chain through entanglement links.

Likhtman-McLeish Macromolecules 2002 Lin Macromolecules 1984

τpeak = 3τe

LM prediction vs Maxwell

Redistribution of monomers along the tube

Page 26: Chen-Yang Liu, Roland Keunings, Christian Bailly UCL, Louvain la Neuve, Belgium

Conclusions - Questions

▪ There seem to be inconsistencies of tube model predictions for time/stress and CR/CLF balance

▪ Probably some of the inconsistencies come from the non-universality of real chains.

▪ Several possible reasons :

a chain hits entangled constraint before reaching Rouse behavior

local stiffness effects

interchain correlations

▪ Moreover: the assumption that fluctuations are unaffected in bimodal blends can be wrong if fluctuations depend on the environment

Page 27: Chen-Yang Liu, Roland Keunings, Christian Bailly UCL, Louvain la Neuve, Belgium

Gexp l = 2

pG"(w)d ln

- •

+ •

Ú w

Ferry (1980)

Published methods for Gexpl determination

G” Integral method

-3 -2 -1 0 1 2 3 40.0

0.2

0.4

0.6

0.8

1.0

G"/G"

max

ω/ωax

in the terminal region

(Kramer-Kronig principle)

Page 28: Chen-Yang Liu, Roland Keunings, Christian Bailly UCL, Louvain la Neuve, Belgium

Gexp l

G ''max

= 2.303 2p

G"(w / wmax )G ''max

d log w / wmax( )- •

+ •

ÚÈ

ÎÍÍ

˘

˚˙˙= 3.56

Raju et al. Macromolecules (1981)

If the shape is universal, Gapp must be proportional to the maximum of the terminal G” peak

Maximum G” method

Published methods for Gexpl determination

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G’’max vs. Z : data vs. predictions

Too strong Z dependence

G” m

ax /

Gex

pl

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PBD 99K in 1.2M Matrix

τe▪ Probe in Matrix vs. Probe Self-melt

▪ Probe in Matrix vs. Matrix

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10-1 100 101 102 103 104 105 106 107

104

105

G', G'' (Pa)

ω (rad/s)

Probe-99k G' Probe-99k G'' Probe-39k G' Probe-39k G'' Probe-14k G' Probe-14k G''

10-1 100 101 102 103 104 105 106 107

104

105

G', G'' (Pa)

ω (rad/s)

Probe-99k G' Probe-99k G'' Probe-39k G' Probe-39k G'' Probe-13k G' Probe-13k G''

Probe Rheology vs. LM Model without CR

▪ Same horizontal shift factors for ALL: 5.2 106

Vertical shift factor: (1 – fmatrix2) GN

0

▪ Horizontal shift factors: 5.2 106; 4 106; 2 106

Data from: Likhtman and McLeish (2002)

Z = 63, 24, 9; Constraint release parameter cv = 0

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Graessley (1980)

Evaluation of the τd

▪ Narrow G’’ peak

▪ Retardation of the τd

Suppression of tube motions

Two Key Results for Probe Chain

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100 101 102 103 104 105

104

105

-1/4

-1/2

G', G'' (Pa)

ω (rad/s)

PBD-99K probe Ze-63 LM odel ωiτ Cv = 0

CLF for Well-entangled case

▪ Excellent agreement with model w/o CR

Likhtman and McLeish (2002)Vertical shift: (1 – fmatrix2) GN

0

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102 103 104 105 106104

105

PBD-14K Subtraction of Rouse modes 10% PBD-14K in Matrix Subtraction of diluted Matrix

5.1G'' (Pa)

ω (rad/s)


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