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    In a letter disclosed Monday in a federal court filing, the FBI confirms one ofthe worlds worst-kept secrets: It is looking into Hillary Clintons use of a private email server.

    Why say this at all, since it was widely known to be true? Because in August inresponse to a judges direction, the State Department asked the FBI for information about what it was up to. Sorry, the FBI said at the time, we can neither confirm nor deny the existence of any investigation.

    Now, in a letter dated February 2 and filed in court Monday, the FBIs general counsel, James Baker, notes that in public statements and congressional testimony,the FBI has acknowledged generally that it is working on matters related to former Secretary Clintons use of a private email server.

    Baker says the FBI has not, however, publicly acknowledged the specific focus, scope or potential targets of any such proceedings.

    He ends the one-paragraph letter by saying that the FBI cannot say more without adversely affecting on-going law enforcement efforts.

    www.msnbc.com...

    We all knew this was true, but were continually assured by the ardent Hillary supporters and Militant liberals that NOBODY was investigating Hillary. Well, it'sofficial. She is the investigation. This can no longer be denied. If you watchthe video, they keep saying it's the worst kept secret in Washington. I guess they kept it under wraps so the few delusional folks could maintain their false hope for as long as possible.

    I just hope this ends with justice and not another white water wash.

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    posted on Feb, 9 2016 @ 17:15 link quote reply a reply to: network dude

    How she can possibly, remotely think in her tiny little head, that she can be aleader for the United States of America, is, to me, unfathomable.....

    Good find Net- Thanks for sharing.... it took the FBI to insure the facts that we knew were true..... maybe, just maybe, their system needs a facelift as well..

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    posted on Feb, 9 2016 @ 17:16 link quote reply a reply to: network dude

    This somewhat restores my confidence in the US justice system, for a while thereI was convinced that destroying state evidence and pleading ingnorance whilst holding a senior position within the government guaranteed your nomination for the Democratic party.

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    posted on Feb, 9 2016 @ 17:17 link quote reply a reply to: network dude

    I recall a thread on here a few months back when her server was taken. Many memb

    ers reacted in defense of HC's actions and attacked the OP for daring to go there.

    There really should be a law that any candidate running for POTUS while having an active FBI investigation, must place campaign on hold until investigation hasbeen completed and candidate is not charged.

    I am no historian, so how many times has a POTUS candidate been under formal FBIinvestigation?

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    posted on Feb, 9 2016 @ 17:17 link quote reply

    originally posted by: Sublimecrafta reply to: network dude

    This somewhat restores my confidence in the US justice system, for a while thereI was convinced that destroying state evidence and pleading ingnorance whilst holding a senior position within the government guaranteed your nomination for the Democratic party.

    not to be a wet blanket, but the fat lady is still eating. She won't be singingfor a few hours yet.

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    posted on Feb, 9 2016 @ 17:18 link quote reply But wait a minute...I was assured by many on ATS that this was all a bunch of crazy right-wing hooey phooey.

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    posted on Feb, 9 2016 @ 17:26 link quote reply

    originally posted by: BennyzillaBut wait a minute...I was assured by many on ATS that this was all a bunch of cr

    azy right-wing hooey phooey.

    It's obviously still a right wing conspiracy, but we were able to get the FBI tojump in on it too, so the reach and scope of said conspiracy is wide and deep.Haters gotta hate.

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    we were all equal in the end -Roger Waters network dudeBack to being aMember

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    posted on Feb, 9 2016 @ 17:28 link quote reply

    originally posted by: ReadLeadera reply to: network dude

    How she can possibly, remotely think in her tiny little head, that she can be aleader for the United States of America, is, to me, unfathomable.....

    in all fairness, she would fit in like a glove with what we have right now. I think being caught doing something honest in D.C. can get you 10 years to life.

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    posted on Feb, 9 2016 @ 17:28 link quote reply While nothing would make mehappier than her receiving an all inclusive vacation to ADX Florence Supermax for the remainder of her unnatural life I still think Dear Leader will get her a pass on this.

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    posted on Feb, 9 2016 @ 17:35 link quote reply a reply to: network dude

    We all knew this was true, but were continually assured by the ardent Hillary supporters and Militant liberals that NOBODY was investigating Hillary. Well, it'sofficial. She is the investigation.

    Funny, I could swear the statement said: "working generally on matters related to former Secretary Clintons use of a private email server,not: "We are investigating former Secretary Clinton on suspicion of criminal activities or treason."

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    posted on Feb, 9 2016 @ 17:36 link quote reply There was another article out yesterday or today speculating that the 18 known E-mails between Obama and Hillary's private E-mail that have not been released are causing massive heartburnfor the investigative agencies and slowing all progress of any legal actions.

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    posted on Feb, 9 2016 @ 17:37 link quote reply a reply to: network dude

    It is looking into Hillary Clintons use of a private email server.

    Why say this at all, since it was widely known to be true?

    To put people off.

    "Were looking for some stuff, we're talking to some people, we're figuring it all out, and we'll get back to you."

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    posted on Feb, 9 2016 @ 17:38 link quote reply a reply to: network dude

    Looks like the Koch brothers have really deep pockets

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    posted on Feb, 9 2016 @ 17:40 link quote reply a reply to: network dude

    I think being caught doing something honest in D.C. can get you 10 years to life

    .

    You're right. They're all guilty or complicit of doing or knowing of something illegal.

    The only ones "caught" are those that fall out of favor.

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    posted on Feb, 9 2016 @ 17:45 link quote reply a reply to: network dude

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    It's interesting when one actually takes a look at the quote from James Baker:

    ...the FBI has acknowledged generally that it is working on matters related to former Secretary Clintons use of a private email server.

    Baker says the FBI has not, however, publicly acknowledged the specific focus, scope or potential targets of any such proceedings.

    Even though the FBI is yet to acknowledge the specifics of the investigation, the highlighted part of the quote clearly shows that investigations are being madeinto Hillary's use of the private email server, rather than just the server itself.

    This is great. Hopefully Hillary will continue to sink from here.

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    posted on Feb, 9 2016 @ 17:50 link quote reply

    originally posted by: network dudeWe all knew this was true, but were continually assured by the ardent Hillary supporters and Militant liberals that NOBODY was investigating Hillary.

    For the life of me I can't think of anyone who denied that an investigation washappening. I can think of people skeptical that anything will come of the investigation though.

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    posted on Feb, 9 2016 @ 17:55 link quote reply Oh come on you guys, put onyour ATS thinking caps.

    We all know that in 16 months from now the FBI will announce that they found nosubstantial evidence of any criminal behaviour on the part of Hillary Rodham Cli

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    nton.

    And that'll be the end of that.

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    posted on Feb, 9 2016 @ 17:55 link quote reply

    originally posted by: DJW001a reply to: network dude

    Funny, I could swear the statement said: "working generally on matters related to former Secretary Clintons use of a private email server,not: "We are investigating former Secretary Clinton on suspicion of criminal activities or treason."

    You read it right.

    So the FBI is obviously investigating so that they can check for wrongdoing by the person or persons responsible for forcing poor Hillary to use her own privateemail server and forced her to let them also use her private email server, right?

    One question though....If there is nothing to see here, just what is the FBI investigating.... for allthis time?

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    posted on Feb, 9 2016 @ 18:07 link quote reply a reply to: network dude

    As much as I love the idea that she's being investigated, I can't help but wonder, will anything even come of it?? Even if she's found to be completely guilty,with her connections, would anything happen?? I guess if nothing else, making it

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    so she can't be president would be nice, but man, I keep hoping they throw thebook at her. :

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    posted on Feb, 9 2016 @ 18:15 link quote reply

    originally posted by: Sublimecrafta reply to: network dude

    This somewhat restores my confidence in the US justice system, for a while thereI was convinced that destroying state evidence and pleading ingnorance whilst holding a senior position within the government guaranteed your nomination for th

    e Democratic party.

    I would say its to early to say that. Lets see if it ends like the Congregational Bailout reality tv show . A lot of harsh words and no action and no convictions at the top.

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    originally posted by: Krazysh0t

    For the life of me I can't think of anyone who denied that an investigation washappening. I can think of people skeptical that anything will come of the investigation though.

    I know right?

    originally posted by: Krazysh0t

    Can we PLEASE stop relying on a friend of a friend saying "for realsies this tim

    e, Hillary is getting indicted!" and just go to the horse's mouth? Wait until the FBI says something official then we will know if it is going to happen or not...

    this thread was full of tears and people whining about the source. Turns out tobe right on time.

    the horses mouth has spoken.edit on 9-2-2016 by network dude because: (no reason given)edit on 9-2-2016 by network dude because: (no reason given)

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    posted on Feb, 9 2016 @ 18:28 link quote reply

    originally posted by: DJW001a reply to: network dude

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    Funny, I could swear the statement said: "working generally on matters related to former Secretary Clintons use of a private email server,not: "We are investigating former Secretary Clinton on suspicion of criminal activities or treason."you may not have read far enough.

    ...the FBI has acknowledged generally that it is working on matters related to former Secretary Clintons use of a private email server.

    Baker says the FBI has not, however, publicly acknowledged the specific focus, scope or potential targets of any such proceedings.

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    posted on Feb, 9 2016 @ 18:29 link quote reply The ignorance here is amazing. She will win you will cry and complain for another 8.

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    posted on Feb, 9 2016 @ 18:31 link quote reply a reply to: butcherguy

    So the FBI is obviously investigating so that they can check for wrongdoing by the person or persons responsible for forcing poor Hillary to use her own privateemail server and forced her to let them also use her private email server, righ

    t?

    They are investigating to see whether her use of a private email server actuallyendangered national security. It may not have been illegal.

    One question though....If there is nothing to see here, just what is the FBI investigating.... for allthis time?

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    First, they had to determine whether or not they had jurisdiction. Now there isa swamp of technicalities they have to negotiate. What are the standards for handling classified material within the State Department? Was any of the information classified by another branch of government, and was it handled appropriately?Is Hillary responsible for actions taken by her staff without her knowledge? I know some of you can't wait to see her burned at the stake, but if W could ignorea memo that specifically warned that al Qaeda was planning on weaponizing passenger aircraft and not get put on trial or even impeached, I wouldn't expect Hillary to face any charges for using her personal electronics for business purposes.

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    posted on Feb, 9 2016 @ 18:35 link quote reply a reply to: DJW001

    are you in the FBI? I'd hate to have all sorts of speculation going on about this. I know in the past, speculation was frowned upon. let's just deal with facts.what we KNOW is the FBI has admitted to having an active investigation into Sec. Clinton's use of a private server for e-mail during her time as Sec of State.

    I guess we will just have to wait to see where this investigation leads.

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    posted on Feb, 9 2016 @ 18:35 link quote reply a reply to: network dude

    But she hasn't been indicted yet... Unless I read the OP wrong, it is just saying she is under investigation. Where is the indictment?

    For the record, that post wasn't denying that an investigation was occurring. Itwas denying that an indictment was imminent based on the opinion of some guy no

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    t related to the investigation. Maybe try some reading comprehension next time?edit on 9-2-2016 by Krazysh0t because: (no reason given)

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    posted on Feb, 9 2016 @ 18:43 link quote reply a reply to: Krazysh0t

    I am just reporting what was said. All our words exist forever here, so there will be no way to pretend words weren't typed. I didn't say she was being indicted, I said what the article said. She is officially under investigation. Perhaps reading comprehension isn't your best quality either.

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    posted on Feb, 9 2016 @ 18:45 link quote reply a reply to: network dude

    And I stand by my statements. I'm not denying ANYTHING I've said now or in the past, but context is key and trying to quote me out of context or misrepresent what I said to score points or stars is dishonest and rude.

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    posted on Feb, 9 2016 @ 18:49 link quote reply a reply to: Krazysh0t

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    the king of reporting false equivalencies for stars and flags calling the kettleblack har har.

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    posted on Feb, 9 2016 @ 19:06 link quote reply a reply to: Krazysh0t

    For the life of me I can't think of anyone who denied that an investigation washappening.

    Hillary said so herself....and a lot of folks picked up on HER statement. Unfortunately , like 110% of what she says , turned out to be a lie also, She knew

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    posted on Feb, 9 2016 @ 19:08 link quote reply a reply to: Gothmog

    Well that's one I guess, but no one believes her anyways.

    I dont know what to put here at the moment. network dude

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    posted on Feb, 9 2016 @ 19:09 link quote reply

    originally posted by: Krazysh0ta reply to: network dude

    And I stand by my statements. I'm not denying ANYTHING I've said now or in the past, but context is key and trying to quote me out of context or misrepresent what I said to score points or stars is dishonest and rude.

    in the interest of being fair, honest and not rude, I only quoted what you said.If it's out of context, just explain what I missed.

    the FBI SAID SOMETHING OFFICIAL. If that was not what you meant, please explainthat.

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    posted on Feb, 9 2016 @ 19:12 link quote reply a reply to: network dude

    Fine, they said they are officially investigating her. I didn't have my doubts t

    here, but there you have it. I'm still waiting for this imminent indictment thathas been coming for the last half year myself. What's the official word on that?

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    posted on Feb, 9 2016 @ 19:13 link quote reply a reply to: network dude

    You can clearly see in what you quoted that Krazy said she isn't being indictedpresently...And to wait for official word from the FBI.

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    Don't be lazy, network.It's unbecoming.

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    posted on Feb, 9 2016 @ 19:13 link quote reply a reply to: NewzNose

    Can you imagine if she gets elected, but has to serve a mandatory sentence of acouple months after a pardon...!! So our soon to be president starts running thecountry from a cell or under house arrest until she takes office.

    I almost want her to win now just to see that happen.

    Maybe she will get a conditional pardon where she is required to serve the remainder of her sentence after her time in office is up.

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    posted on Feb, 9 2016 @ 19:15 link quote reply

    originally posted by: Krazysh0ta reply to: network dude

    Fine, they said they are officially investigating her. I didn't have my doubts there, but there you have it. I'm still waiting for this imminent indictment thathas been coming for the last half year myself. What's the official word on that?

    Don't know, we haven't heard what the FBI has OFFICIALLY found. But we will. I guess will will just have to wait. (and militantly argue against any and all speculation on the matter.) So I'll just stick to facts for now.

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    posted on Feb, 9 2016 @ 19:17 link quote reply a reply to: network dude

    See. We didn't have to have a confrontational argument. You could have skipped being rude to me initially and we would have had a much easier conversation. It appears we are in agreement. Wait until official information is out before speculating.

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    posted on Feb, 9 2016 @ 19:18 link quote reply a reply to: CharlieSpeirs

    Oh Chuckles, he's a big boy. I quoted the whole thing so as NOT to take anythingout of context. It was for the "FBI says something official" comment. Based onwhat I read in this article, the FBI said something official. Or is there some ambiguity about that?

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    posted on Feb, 9 2016 @ 19:20 link quote reply Longshot possibility....

    Maybe Hillary is getting arrogant because she has already been granted immunity.

    The FBI has already "interviewed" some key people including some of her top aides and associates.

    Maybe she throws them under the bus and gets away clean.

    If so, the "trial" will be in the press.

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    posted on Feb, 9 2016 @ 19:22 link quote reply a reply to: network dude

    I know he can look after himself he is a great debater on our boards...

    But it seemed a tad unfair that even if you were only highlighting the "wait andsee" part you didn't take it in the context of an indictment.

    Just seemed a little sloppy from you if I'm honest.If it was the other way round I'd defend you too fella.

    I just enjoy rattling your cage. And you can lie and say you don't like doing that, but deep down, you know it's why you post in the political threads. It's allgood. When the elections are over, and we get a 2.5 year reprieve on the election bull #, we can go back to the important stuff. Like worrying about the flat earth and all.

    in the mean time, I'll continue to really, really, really dislike Mrs. Clinton.

    If i didn't like you, I'd ignore you. I still think there's hope in turning youand Speirs into right wingers. I just have to keep showing you the error of your

    ways.

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    posted on Feb, 9 2016 @ 19:26 link quote reply a reply to: xuenchen

    If so, the "trial" will be in the press.

    The kangeroo trial in the court of public opinion began about a year ago...& I'm quite certain it was one of your threads that got the ball rolling.

    Granted immunity?

    She is not a foreign diplomat, she is a potential elected representative.

    If she has done lawfully wrong, she will be charged.

    If she has done morally inept, she will be free to go.

    I think it'll be the latter honestly.

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    posted on Feb, 9 2016 @ 19:28 link quote reply a reply to: network dude

    I still think there's hope in turning you and Speirs into right wingers.

    They say that there's always hope.... but man, that's a tough nut to crack rightthere.

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    posted on Feb, 9 2016 @ 19:28 link quote reply a reply to: network dude

    But I don't like Clinton either...

    PS: I don't want to be a right winger any more than I like being labeled as a left winger. I swing all over the political spectrum depending on the issues I find important and the politicians willing to voice and support them. Since you like checking out my post history, check out my partisan slant back in 2012.

    Don't let the title fool you, this thread does not offer proof that the Moon landings were faked, it provides a definition of what evidence would be necessary to prove they were.

    Whether or not astronauts landed on the Moon in the last century, or indeed, whether or not human beings have even left the surface of the Earth, is not a scientific question, it is an historical one. Historical methodology uses a number ofcritical techniques to examine several types of evidence: contemporary documentation, eyewitness accounts, secondary sources, and physical evidence. All of the

    se are cross checked against one another. The reliability of each source is evaluated, and a theory constructed to harmonize them all. As further evidence emerges, such as the discovery of new archives or physical remains, this evidence isincorporated into the theory if it fits, or the theory is altered to accommodateit.

    One fallacy that Moon Hoax proponents make is that "if a single detail is wrongor contradictory, the entire narrative must be false." This is a fallacy becausedocumentation is subject to human error. Numbers get miscounted, locations getmisidentified. Every few years archaeologists or military historians "discover"where the Battle of Agincourt took place. Just because the battlefield seems tomeander across the French countryside from year to year does not dismay historians. There is ample documentation, first hand in some cases, from both French and

    English sources to confirm that such a battle took place. Furthermore, the course of history would probably have been much different had it not. Likewise, it is no problem that the French and English sources "spin" their narratives to maketheir knights more virtuous and the other side more treacherous. The body counts were adjusted accordingly.

    Another major fallacy is that the burden of proof lies entirely on those who affirm the historical record. This leads to moving goalpost phenomenon. First, theywant confirmation from a source that is not NASA. When that is provided, they claim that the source has somehow been corrupted, and want another one.When thatis provided, they claim it, too, was faked, and so on. If one wishes to claim that the body of historical evidence is false, the burden of proof falls on the challenger.

    There is no point hiding behind an opinion being "plausible." If one believes one's interpretation of events is "plausible," one needs to explain why. Why is itplausible that a country would spend billions designing, building and launchingequipment, but not use it for its intended purpose? Why is it plausible that America's geopolitical rivals, the Soviet Union, China, and France, would not expose the fraud? Why is it plausible that the government's internal opponents, likethe Union of Concerned Scientists would not expose it? Why is it plausible thatthousands of scientists and engineers were unable to detect the imposture? Whyis it plausible that they could all be bribed or threatened in order to be silen

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    ced? You get the picture.

    I consider myself to be objective, and am perfectly willing to consider counter-narratives to the history of the space program. I certainly understand that there was much more cloak and dagger involved than the public was allowed to see: Blue Gemini, MOL, the (still) classified telecommunications and ranging experiments flown on various missions. I'm sure the political narrative was not as clean as it is usually presented. (Ever notice how most of the newly built NASA bases were below the Mason-Dixon line?) The squeaky clean image of the first astronautsis also suspect. There is adequate documentation to make inferences about these"counter-narratives."

    But what about the allegation that the lunar landings were somehow "faked." Well, given how much documentation the historical record contains, anyone making that claim has got a lot of work they need to do. They need to provide an equal volume of:

    1) Executive Orders authorizing various phases of the deception.

    2) Memoranda from government officials and private contractors describing aspects of the hoax.

    3) Blueprints for the special sound stages used to fake the film and videos.

    4) Technical drawings of the rigging used to simulate reduced/zero gravity.

    5) Detailed accounting records showing how the project was paid for.

    6) Employment records detailing the names of the thousands of engineers, technicians, and special effects experts employed in the project.

    7) The physical remains of the sound stage(s) used.

    8) The physical remains of the various props, scale models, etc.

    9) Eyewitness accounts by individuals involved in the project.

    10) Journal entries detailing employees participation.

    11) "Out-takes," hours and hours of film and video that could not be used for one reason or another.

    12) Behind the scene film and photographs showing how the production was done.

    Provide me with enough of the above, and I will not only be convinced, I will spread the word. I'm not holding my breath.edit on 1-2-2016 by DJW001 because: (no reason given)

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    posted on Feb, 1 2016 @ 20:26 link quote reply Nicely said

    I know I have heard others say it, but I firmly believe that if there was any small sliver of a doubt that it really happened the way NASA says it happened, there would be a host of other nations who would throw us under the bus in a heartbeat.

    I mean think about it, China finds out that it probably actually didn't happen and they now have a small window to be the ACTUAL first?! Or Russia? India? ESA?Sure, there are weird anomalies and a few things that make me wonder, but in noway can I look at the whole picture from both sides and remain rational while saying "we didn't go".

    Just no way.

    S&F

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    posted on Feb, 1 2016 @ 20:27 link quote reply You forgot one :The binding factor preventing the 10s of thousands of folks that would have known from speaking up . And how it would be enforced for all these years.Peace

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    posted on Feb, 1 2016 @ 20:30 link quote reply

    originally posted by: GothmogYou forgot one :The binding factor preventing the 10s of thousands of folks that would have known from speaking up . And how it would be enforced for all these years.Peace

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    Exactly; the hoax proponents have never even been able to produce an alleged "whistle blower!"

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    posted on Feb, 1 2016 @ 20:35 link quote reply I feel like this is you...and your time is gonna come****

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    posted on Feb, 1 2016 @ 20:46 link quote reply

    originally posted by: DJW001

    Another major fallacy is that the burden of proof lies entirely on those who affirm the historical record. This leads to moving goalpost phenomenon. First, theywant confirmation from a source that is not NASA. When that is provided, they claim that the source has somehow been corrupted, and want another one.When thatis provided, they claim it, too, was faked, and so on. If one wishes to claim th

    at the body of historical evidence is false, the burden of proof falls on the challenger.

    Oh, yeah, the "Groundhog Theory." probably should be called Whack-a-Mole. Somebody "demands" a question be answered. It is, definitively, and they pop up out ofanother hole with an entirely different issue.

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    posted on Feb, 1 2016 @ 20:46 link quote reply a reply to: DJW001

    I think the the type of evidence presented by conspiracy theorists on this is fair game, it just doesn't hold up to scrutiny.

    The person reading this doesnt exist if they arent reading. Krazysh0tSkepticalmember

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    posted on Feb, 1 2016 @ 20:48 link quote reply Nice thread. You had me worried there for a second with your thread title. Glad I read on.

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    posted on Feb, 1 2016 @ 20:55 link quote reply a reply to: DJW001

    Thread Title:"The Moon Landings Were Faked: PROOF"

    First 18 words:"Don't let the title fool you, this thread does not offer proof that the Moon landings were faked"

    Thank you for setting the perfect example of why NEVER to trust a title here......and also, why that is so doggone regrettable.

    Have a nice day

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    posted on Feb, 1 2016 @ 21:02 link quote reply a reply to: redoubt

    No comment on the actual content of the thread?

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    posted on Feb, 1 2016 @ 21:07 link quote reply

    originally posted by: DJW001a reply to: redoubt

    No comment on the actual content of the thread?

    Go find a book... look at the title. If it draws a degree of interest to see youpull it and flip it open... and then find the initial wording as such?

    No. None.

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    d to call this type of title, "Click bait"

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    posted on Feb, 1 2016 @ 22:25 link quote reply What is the meaning of the following quoted statement from your OP? Space launch is easier/cheaper near the

    equator, from what I understand, but I guess, perhaps not all NASA bases are launch sites, and furthermore, your point seems to have something to do with politics.

    (Ever notice how most of the newly built NASA bases were below the Mason-Dixon line?)a reply to: DJW001

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    posted on Feb, 1 2016 @ 22:52 link quote reply

    originally posted by: 3n19m470

    What is the meaning of the following quoted statement from your OP? Space launchis easier/cheaper near the equator, from what I understand, but I guess, perhaps not all NASA bases are launch sites, and furthermore, your point seems to havesomething to do with politics.

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    Yes, rather than build launch sites in the Virgin Islands, Dominican Republic orPuerto Rico, NASA built bases in Florida and Texas. Cape Canaveral was alreadya test range that was upgraded to a spaceport. LBJ was from Texas. Huntsville, Alabama, became the most important civilian research and development facility. Ithas been suggested that this was part of a politically motivated southern economic development program. I forget the title of the book, but you can probably find references to it by googling.

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    posted on Feb, 1 2016 @ 22:53 link quote reply a reply to: PLAYERONE01

    in the cyber industry we tend to call this type of title, "Click bait"

    I prefer to think of it as an eye catching title.

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    posted on Feb, 1 2016 @ 22:55 link quote reply a reply to: redoubt

    Go find a book... look at the title. If it draws a degree of interest to see youpull it and flip it open... and then find the initial wording as such?

    If you find the topic interesting, why not join in? For example, can you think of any reason why none of the evidence I have suggested necessary has never beenprovided?

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    posted on Feb, 1 2016 @ 22:59 link quote reply

    originally posted by: 3n19m470

    What is the meaning of the following quoted statement from your OP? Space launchis easier/cheaper near the equator, from what I understand, but I guess, perhaps not all NASA bases are launch sites, and furthermore, your point seems to havesomething to do with politics.

    It's not politics, it is a technical fact. It's easier and cheaper to launch into space closer to the equator. That's the only reason our major launch site is in Florida. It's as close to the equator we can get and still be in US territory.That's why the EU Space Centre is in Guiana, which is 300 miles north of the equator.

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    posted on Feb, 1 2016 @ 23:12 link quote reply a reply to: DJW001

    If someone really wants to prove the moon landings were fack, I ask them to explain one thing to me and I will consider any other "evidence" they may present.

    I do not remember the astronauts involved but I have seen the video of the "Galileo test" which was performed on the moon. They astronaut dropped a feather anda hammer at the same time from the same height and they both hit the "ground" atthe same time.

    This is not the point of my query.

    I want to know how they made the hammer fall so slowly, as it does in the video.Did they somehow "cancel" gravity in the area where they were filming for a fewminutes?


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