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Case: 99-7625 (JCSO)

Date: April 26, 1999

By: Investigator R. Vette

At: West MetroTask Force

Other Officers: Investigator T Acierno

1U: Interview with Christopher Morris, Gary Morris (Natural Fatherof Chris) andAttorney JohnRichilano

DETAILS:

1. On April 20, 1999 Investigators Vetteand Acierno interviewed Christopher Morris along with

hisattorney and father. At approximately 7'43 PM. and priorto any questioning Investigator

Acierno advised Christopher Morris, his father and attorney of theirMiranda rights from a

Departmental Advisement form. All stated they understood and agreed to speakwith

investigators. Christopher Morris andhisfather bothsigned the advisement waiver form.

2, Investigator Vette asked Morris to explain what had occurred since he woke up this morning

to the time he was brought to the Sheriff's Office Chris Morris saidthat when hewoke up this

morning hewasgettingready for bowling class which is held at the A..'vlF Bowling alley located at

the intersection of Belleview and Federal Blvd. Chris Morris saidthat this is his first period

Columbine High School class. Morris said class was to held thisweekMonday throughThursday

although the schedule changes fromtime to time. Morris said that Eric Harris was to pickhim up

around 5.50 A.M. although Harris never showed up. Chris Morris said he waited for Harris until

around 6 00 A.M. so he drove hisownvehicle (1985, red, Dodge, Lancer) to the bowling alley

andattended class. Morris said that helikes to get III class early so he can get a good bowling ban

andshoes andthe bowling lanes are turned on about 6 30 A.M. Chris Morrissaid Eric Harris

never caned him saying he wouldn'tbe picking him up this morning. Morris alsosaidthat Dylan

Klebold at one timeused to pickhim up for bowling although hasn't done so for about a year

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Morris said during class be never saw Harris or Klebold and assumed they weren't comingto

school. Morris said that he has neverseen Dylan Klebold or Eric Harris missbowling class unless

they were sick, but both nevermissed class together, ChrisMorris said that today his bowling

teammates were Nate LNU, Eddie Day, Terry Sabe and Mike Pavalonin (all last names

phonetically spelled) which are all Columbine High Schoolstudents ChrisMorris said that each

gametakes between 15·20 minutes and class is usually done about 7 20 AM"

3" Following the bowlingclass Chrissaid he drove directly to Clement Park and was listening to

music and lookingfor paperwork he needed to bringto class, ChrisMorris said that during this

time hisvehicle overheated" Morris said this was just prior to S,00 A,M. so he let the car cool

down in Clement Park. (Morris later changedhis story and said that he drove from the bowling

alley to McDonald's to get something to eat, by himself, then responded to the area of Columbine

High Schoolwhere the school kids smokeand ate what he purchasedfrom McDonald's. Morris

described thisarea as being on a street above the student parking lot. Morris said while in this

smoking area he spoke to. George LNU, FrankLNU and another male individual whose name he

couldn't recall, Morris said this conversation onlylasted a few minutes whilehe was eating

Morris said once he finished eating he drove to Clement Park where his car overheated and spoke

to another male individual while waitingfor his car to cool down" Morris could not remember this

personsname.) Chris Morris said once the vehicle cooled down he drove closer to the Columbine

High School so he didn't have as far to walk whenhe left the school. Morris said he then went to

his second period Science class with Mr. Freezen (Phonetic) then to his third period

Govemmenr/Economice class. Chris Morris said following thisclass he went to his car and drove

to CubFoods where he purchasedMountain Dew and other items, then drove to Cory Freezen's

house, (Son of Science Teacher, Me Freezen) whereMorris said that he hangsout at a lot

following school. Chris Morris said once at Cory's house they began playing Nintendogames for

approximately thirty minutes to an hour when Cory received a telephonecall from his mother

saying that there had been a shootingat Columbine High School. ChrisMorris said he and Cory

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Freezenthen attempted to drive to the schooland got to CrossDrive near the movie theaters

turned around and went to the International House ofPancakes (mOP) in an attempt to find

schoolmends. ChrisMorris said that he and Cory Freezen didn't see anyone so they drove back

to CoryFreezen's house which is on the other side (West)of Southwest Plaza. Chris Morris said

while on there way back to Cory's househe received several pageson his Motorola pager ( 303­

505-9051)and attempted to return the callsonce at Freezen's house. Morris said one of the calls

was from his girlfriend, Nicholwoo said that she was at themop Morris said that he and Cory

then got into Cory's truck since Morris' vehicle was beginning to overheat again and drove back

to themop attempting to locate Morris' girlfriend. Morrissaid that Nichol had already left by

the timehe and Cory arrived so they drove to Nichol's houseand found her there. Chris Morris

said once at Nichol's house she told him that she believed one of the people involved in the

shooting at Columbine High School was "Dylan" ChrisMorris said that he is familiar with Dylan

who works with him at BlackjackPizza and is on his same bowling team. Morris they didn't stay

at Nichol's house long becauseCory was worried about hisdad so they drove back to Freezen's

houseto wait for telephonecallsor anyword that Cory's dadwas alright. Chris Morris said once

back at Cory's house Charles Phillips called saying that he had heard what had happened on the

news Morris said that Charles Phillips, his brother, and a neighbor who heard the report on the

newsand knewMr Freezen, then came over to Cory Freezen'shouse Morris said they were all

watching the news when they reponed that the people involved were wearingtrench coats and

possibly involved in a group calledthe trench coat mafia. Chris Morris said he knew the only

peoplewearing trench coats at Columbine High School wereEric Harris and DylanKlebold,

becausehe stopped wearing his about a year ago and dido't know anyoneelse other than Harris

and Klebold who wore trench coats. ChrisMorris said things begansoundingfamiliar and be not

only remembered the two wearing trench. coats but also remembered that the two had been

shootingbowling pins in the mountains. Morrisalso saidthat Harrisand Klebold had been

involved in blowing thingsup around work and explained that Harris and Klebold both had been

in trouble at BlackjackPizza and were told not to lightfirecrackers or anything else. Morris said

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Harris and Klebold would take the gunpowder out of the firecrackers and compact or pressurize

it. Chris Morris said after realizing this, he andCoryFreezen both believed that Harris and

Klebold were involved. Morris said he thencalled 911 in an attemptto speakto a Detectiveand

explain that hebelieved he knewwho the suspects were.. Morris saidonce he calledthe Sheriff's

Office he was beingtransferred on the telephone and it was disconnected. Morris said that his

mother, who works at Cherry Hills Police Department, then pagedhim so he returned the

telephone calland told hismother whathad taken place, Chris Morris said that his motherthen

had himspeak to a Cherry HillsPoliceDetective. Chris Morris said the Cherry Hillsdetective was

to passon the information to JCSO and didn't remember his name. Chris said he then hungup and

decided to again try calling the Sheriff's Office, Chris Morris said he was transferred to a

Detective and told the Detective his story Investigator T. Acierno confirmed this information as

he wasthe Investigator Morris had spokento when be called the second time, ChrisMorrissaid

Investigator Acierno told him to stay at Freezen's residence and the police would comeby and

talk withhim. Morris said the policearrived at Freezen's residence andtold him to removeallof

hisproperty from his pockets. Morris saidhe did so and was placed in handcuffs and brought to

Clement Park where he was taken to a van whereseveral peoplequestioned him Morris said

following the questioning he was brought to the Sheriffs Office

4. Chris Morris explained approximately 6 months ago Dylan Klebold brought what Chris

believed as a pipebomb to work. Morris described the pipebombwhichappearedto be

approximately 2' round and 12" longwith capsat both endsand a fuse, Morris said that he and a

number of employees saw the pipe bomb and Morris told Klebold to get it out of the business,

Morris said that Klebold mumbled something to the effect that you put shrapnel inside and Morris

saidhe didn't want to know anything about it,

5. Morris said approximately 4 weeks ago EricHarris or "Reb" as he wanted to be called, told

Morris that he wanted to put a trip bomb in the fence behind Blackjack Pizza. Morris said there is

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a holein the fence behindBlackjack Pizzawhere a lot ofldds go through to gain access to the

other side and Harriswanted to set a trip device so when kids came through the fence it would go

off. Morrissaidhe saw the trip devicewhichwas a CO-2 cartridge filled with gun powder Morris

saidthe cartridge had matcheswrapped around the outside with a string attached as the tripping

device, Morris saidwhen the string was tripped it would causethe matches to tight, whichwould

light the fuse, and the cartridge would explode, Morris saidhe told Eric Harris net to put the trip

bomb in the fence. Morris said he is unsurewhetherHarris ever did or not. Christopher Morris

said he then began realizing that Klebold and Harriswere settingolf to manybombs and that they

were making bombsthat could aetuallyhurt someone Chris Morrissaid it was around this same

time that he heard from employees at work that Eric Harris was tryingto have someone purchase

weapons for him at a gun shaw Morris was unsure whether this occurred althoughhe believes

someone didbuy the guns for Harris, possibly through PhilDurana former employee of Blackjack

Pizza, becauseDuran had mentioned to Christhat theyhad gone shootingbowling pins Morris

saidthat he heard from several different people that Harris got the guns althoughhe (Morris)

neversaw anyof the guns Morris said that PhilDuran later told him that they were playing with

an AK-47 althoughhe never mentioned purchasing thegun for K1ebold or Harris. Morris said

that he has onlyfired one gun in his life which was at camp and the onlygun he ever saw Harris

with was a pellet gun Morris said that PhilDuran would be hard to track down sincehe has a

newjob in the telecommunications field and was out of State.

6. Investigator Vette asked Morris what timehe made it to his first class. Morris said that his first

classstarts at 8.20 A.M. and he was outsidewaiting to get in the classat 8'10 to 8 15 A.M

Morris said that class is finished at about 9'20 A.M. Morris said that there is a five minute passing

period and hewent to his next class Governmem/Economic which starts at 9 25 A.M andgoes

until 10'15 A.M. Chris saidat 10'15 A.M he left class onceit was finished and drove directly to

CubFoods where he was in the store about 5 minutes purchasing foods items then drove directly

to CoryFreezen's house. Morris estimatedthat fromthe time he [eft school at 10:15 A.M. until

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he reached Cory Freezen's house was about twenty minutes or about 10'35 A.M Moms also

stated that he hadhis CubFoods receipt at CoryFreezen's home which mayshowthe exacttime

he was at Cub Foods, (this receipt was not recovered).

7 Chris Morris said that Klebold andHarrisboth have computers although theywere taken away

bytheirparents about a year ago because HarrisandKlebold werearrested for breaking into a

vehicle andstealing computerparts. Morris said thatbothHarrisandKlebold were onJefferson

County Diversion for the violations and believes they werereleased fromDiversion about a month

ago. Morriswas asked ifhe knewfor what purposes Harris and Klebold used the computer for?

Moms said that both Harrisand Klebold usedthe computer for playing games between

themselves. Morris said that a gamecalled "Quake" which is much like the game"Doom" was

played almost everyday by Harrisand Klebold. Morris said that ali you do in the games is kill and

blow up people and he (Moms) didn't take much interest in the games Morris said he was

unaware ifKlebold andHarrisused the computer anything else, Investigator Vette askedMorrisif

hewas into computers? Morris said that he likes computers and etlioys programing games. Moms

said that he also wishes to be II computernetwork administrator someday after he takesall the

classes Morris was askedif he owns a computer Morris said that he does own II computer

although has no Internetprovider. Morris said that he kind of useda mends Internet provider

whose is named, "Chuck" although doesn't usedthat anymore. Morris said that he once used

America OnLine, about 5-6 months ago although could no longerafford the service Christopher

Morris said that his screen name is"Grunt257" Morris said that he andCoryFreezen haveplayed

games between computers without having an Internet provider by simply calling eachothers

modems

S. Chris Moms wasaskedif he had anything illegal inhishome or anything in his homethat

would relateto this investigations? Morrissaidthat the onlything he couldthink ofwas a butler

fly knife which wasgivento him as a present, by"Chuck" andsomefireworks from last fourth of

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July Investigator Vette askedMorris ifhe had any explosive devices bomb making material or

anything of that kind? Morris saidthe only thinkhe had was the firecrackers, which he obtained

from a fireworks stand.

9. Investigator Vette askedChris Morris if it would be alright to search his bedroom for any

evidentiary items? Morris said that Investigators could search his room. Itshould be notedthat

Defense Attorney JohnRichilanc was present during allof the interview. Furthermore,

Investigator Vette told Morris that he would like to take his (Morris) clothing, which couldassist

investigators in the elimination of suspects. Morris agreed andadvised that investigators could

take hisclothing. Investigator veee also asked to takeMorris' computerwhich was in his

bedroom. Morris agreed. Investigator Vetteexplained that he knew nothing of computers and

computer people wouldbe broughtin to viewthecontents of the computer. Morris again agreed.

Investigator Vette explained that he would try to get someone to look at hiscomputerright away

although hewas unsure when investigators would be done withhis computer Attorney Richilano

said inthe past it has taken about three weeks.

10. Investigator T. Acierno read Chris Morris and his father the consent to search form Which was

signed by beth allowing officers to search.Morris' bedroom for evidentiary items. Investigators

then made arrangements to meetChris Morris, his father and Defense Attorney Richilano at Chris

Morris' residence of; 5466WestPortland Drive. Upon arrival, Investigators metwith Morris'

mother whohadapparently beentelephoned by Chris Morris, hisfather or attorney andshe had

the computer disconnected and waiting at the front door (inside). Investigator Vette adived

Morris' mother that a consent search hadbeensigned and Investigators were going to search his

bedroom. Shortly thereafter, Marc Allen Morris (brother of Chris) arrived and provided

Investigator VettewithChris Morris' clothing. Marc Morris saidthat hisbrotherwas afraid to

come home since the newsmedia was present. Mark Morris saidevery bit of Chris Morris'

clothing he waswearing this date wasin the paper sack.

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11. Investigators respondedinside the residence andto the upstairs (southwest) bedroom. A

search was conducted as well as photographs taken priorto the search, Nothing of evidentiary

value wasimmediately observed. Paperwork, photograph negatives, fireworks, computer CPU

and miscellaneous items taken into custody (seeevidence property unit report, dared04-2Q.99)

andtransported to the Jefferson County Sheriff's Office Evidence/Property Bureauwho will

continue to maintain care, custodyandcontrol of the items. Investigators cleared the residence at

approximately 11:16P M

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The following is a telephone transcript of aconversation between Christopher R. Mo=is and Philip J. Duran onApril 24, 1999 at approximately 12:48 p.m. at Denver, Colorado.

The transcript has been cOl\1Pared to the audio taperecording from which it was made, and to the best of my ability,the transcript is a true, complete, and accurate record of therecording.

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04/24/1999 It Denver! Colorado

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br SA John M. MCGrath/sMI

(telephonically)

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2Christoph..r II. MQrris and Philip J. Duran .On 04/24/1999 . PIlI" _...:.__

(tone sound)

Christopher R. Morris This is Christopher R. Morris todaysdate is four twenty-four ninety-nine.It is approximately twelve forty-eightp.m.. I'm attempting to contact PhilipJoseph Duran at telephone number, areacode, three zero three, nine tr.reeseven, eight six four eight. I ammaking this telephone call from theoffices of the F-B-I, Denver, Colorado.

(phone ringing)

(tone)

Philip J. Duran

(dialing number)

(phone ringing)

Helle.

Morris Is Phil there?

Duran This is him.

Morris Hey. Phil, how ya doin' man?

Duran

Morris

Duran

Morris

Pretty good.

Hey this is Chris.

Oh hey what's up Chris.

Net much man. This whole thing sucks.

Duran Yeah.

Morris Jesus.

Duran Yeah•••

Morris Man.

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Duran " .it's pretty, crazy man.

Morris Yeah. The media's gain' psycho, I don'know man it's like ... I'm jus' tryin' tocall everybody right now you know.

Yeah totally.

Morris Tryin' to give everybody a buzz, aa ,

Duran Totally, so what's been gain' on man?

Morris I don' know man. I've been hearingsomthin', that un, that the media is un,they don't have this yet but un ... Ericand Dylan were showin' a tape in theTech Lab recently... of you guys upshoot in' . And he was he's showin' thatin the Tech Lab they haven't got aholdof that yet but I've had a couple peopleask me about it. I don' even know what'sup with that. I saw it, I saw it oncebut uh, they're like gain' crazy on thatthing.

Duran Jesus yeah I know dude, it's pretty ... 1don' know man, so why'd they take youaway?

Morris

Duran

It well, I came down there 'cause Ithought! knew who it was inside. And Iwent down to try and 9'ive someinformation and they, they justquestioned basically but, you know theyhad they handcuffed to do it andeverything. But uh, yeah I've just beenkinda, kinda ya know layin' low hidin'out right now from everything.

Yeah totally I, fuckin' saw you on thenews man I was just like oh God ...

Morris Yeah I know.

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Duran

· ..Unintelligible (UI) Morris.

I know uh..• it's just like it's it's realpsycho right now I ...

Yeah.

Morris · .. I've been hidin' out at differentpeople's houses and things.

Duran liuh?

Morris

Duran

I've been bidin' out at differentpeople'S houses and things.

Geez.

Morris It's, yeah (laughs), it's pretty crazy.Naw I been, I've jus' been raadin' thenewspaper tryin' to figure out ...hat...hat's been goin' on.

Duran Yeah.

Morris

Duran

They keep askin' me you knew askin' mequestions I have no idea I'm (sigh), Iknow as much as they do in thenewspapers.

Yeah fuckin' New York Times and C-N-Nhave showed up my parents house tryin'to find me..•

Morris Shit yeah.

Duran · ..because I worked with him.

Morris Yeah I know they're gorma be cheokin'everybody at Blackjack oallingeverybody•..

So my dad's been tellin' 'em..•

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· .. talkin' to everybody .Morris

Duran ... to get the fuck off our property andshit and , ..

Morris Yeah.

Duran I'm not talkin' ...

Morris Naw.

Duran · .. to anybody dude they can all piss offI'm not feedin' in to this dude.

Morris Yeah I know I know it's a bunch a, it's abunch of crap out there right now. Naw1 I was jus', I was lookin' in thenewspaper today ...you know on thosethings?

Duran Uh huh.

Duran

I think Eric and Oylan went and usedthose, those things they had recorded.t think they used the saltle ones.

1 don't know I heard they ...

Morris Their their shotguns or whatever.

Duran · ... they had a video of them likewalking through the halls likepretendin' to do it or some shit dude.

Yeah they had somethin' like that andthen they had the other one uhm, whenyou guys were just up doin' targetpractice. I think they used the sameshotguns and everything. That's why themedia's like goin' crazy after thatthey're tryin' find out that ..• geez •

. Somebody, they were asking me about that1 ..• 1 ciidn't know about that {coughsl.

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Clu:i-st.Qpher R. Morri-s and Phi-lip J. Duran .On 04/24/1999 . PaS" _-=-__Yeah fuclcin' ..• they had that last dudeso I don' lenow.

Yeah they, what were you guys out theredain' in like Deer Creek Canyon orwhatever or... ?

No.

No that wasn't Deer Creek it was uh,what was it it was uhm •••

Rampart.

Rampart that's what it was. You guyswere up there yeah 'cause I rememberthem talkin' about takin' the bowlingpins up and everything.

I don' lenow dude it's ...

I don' knew •

... just insane right now man.

Yeah, do you lenow if they, did they getthose like when Brie turned eighteen didthey go out and bUy those, the shotguns?

I have no clue dude.

Did they steal 'em, ah man. Becausethey keep askin' me all this and I'm likeI I have no idea you lenow. Tryin' tofind these things out.

I have no clue dude.

Yeah. Yeah they, one big thing I waswonderin'. do you know, like one of yourone of your buds got uhm, got some ofthose for 'em because I remember theiraskin' you and you you were like no.

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Yeah I told 'em no man , I just saidwait till to your eighteen dude.

One of your friends, who was that guy,Dylan was telling me about one of yourfriends who, who said somethin' aboutgoin' down to show with 'em.

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Yeah we all told 'em wait till theireighteen dude none of us would.

(sigh) yeah.

All I can say is I'm glad I didn't dude.

Yeah this whole thing is is kinda crazyrm....

Duran

Morris

Yeah it'lII jUlllt fuckin' ••• I den' know Ieven flew back in to town a day early Iwas in Chicago dude.

Oh damn. I'm ...

Duran And ! walked into a T-e-I into Chicagoabout twenty minutelll after it happeneddude and. I was just like what the fuckdude.

Morrilll I know. I know.

Duran That's why I called my house and luckilymy brother and sister both maae it Qut.

Morrilll I know yeah.

Duran My sister was up in office auae, fuckin'hidin' unaerneath a desk and then shesaw •••

Morris Shit..

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Yeah and j u.st .•.

My brother was sittin' at the streetlight ..• fuckin' when the first pipe bombwent off. My cousin had just left thecafeteria like five minutes before dude.

Morris (sigh) My girlfriend was right insidethere.

Duran. Was she okay?

Merris

Duran.

Yeah she's okay one of her. her brether'sfriends get shot right next to him butuh, (sigh) I'm still tryin' to figure outwhy they did it you have any idea?

I have no clue dude ...

Morris I never noticed anything.

Duran. ... I never ever saw this comin' dudethat's why I was just like what thefuel\:.

Morris I know I know. Haa Jesus man.

You know I might (UIl I tell you (UI)it's like aw God man ...

Morris Yeah...

Duran ...don't be worse man.

..• yeah. No I made sure I didn't haveanything to do with it but uh .•. uh youknow, God it's just so, you know it justpisses me off that they go and dosomthin' like this.

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I can't believe it dude.Duran

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Morris (sigh) I know.

Duran

Morris

I totally couldu't believe it man.

No but yeah but (sigh), they even weretellin' Dylan unm, I haven't heard him,talkin' you know about the about theguns thing. Everything I'm still tryin'to figure all this out because they saidthey got some, from one of your friendsa.t a gun show. So I wanted to try andfigure out if that was true but ...

Duran Maw man.

Morris Hey God man this is ...

Duran Really...

Morris

Duran

'Cause I wanna find out all about thisjunk man you know, this is this is bull.

Yeah I was, go=a try and get ahold ofyou but I was lik.e naw I probably betternot.

Yeah, I mean, I jus' wanna (stutteringiuh, are you gonna say anything inparticular like if they see if they geta.hold of that video? 'cause I don' knowI I haven't been !lavin' anything aboutit.

Duran Oidn't do nothin' man. I don' know.

(sigh) (01) I'm jus' you know, callin'everyone I'm tryin' to get ahold of Boband everything.

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I don't think Bob's at home I've drivenby his house and I haven't seen his carthere.

Duran

Morris Yeah, I saw him the day it happe.ned.Driving down the street.

Duran

Morris

Duran

Really?

I've jus' been, you kno...... {sigh} thatthey they, ...hen they talk to me they'regonna be talkin' to like everybody atBlackjack, Billy James r mean they'regoin' through the records and they'regonna pullout everybody.

Yeah I kno....

Morris

Duran

Morris

Duran

It's hat they're sayin'.

I kno .

(sigh} so other than that how you been?

Alright dude and like I said I ca, flewback a day early from my job... you knowand ...

Morris

Duran

Yeah, hopefully that things goin' okay.

Yeah it was goin' great dude and thenyou know, I fuckin' .•. r was gonna flyback Tuesday but then I was like no I<ii' r don't you kno... I didn't ...ant torisk my job already.

Morris

Duran

Yeah yeah.

So carne Thursday one of the other guyswas le' was already he wall leavin'Thu:t'Sday anyway so I asked him if therewas anyway they could get me a flight,

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11Christopher R. Morris and Pbilip J. I>unn .0. 04/24/1999 .hl" _...::.=-_and they flew me back Thursday and I gotback about one o'clock.

Morris

Duran

Morris

Yeah this (laughs), man the first thingI did when I heard abOut this wholething is I ran down, I tried to get tothe school to find my girlfriend.

Yeah like I said I went I fuckin',called my brother and sister right awayand make sure they were both okay.

Yeah.

Dural;' One of my brother's frienas was in thefuckin', locked in a closet in thescience room for like ...

Morris Gee" .

Duran .. . three and a half hours and anotherone of 'em, I guess he had to zun downfucldn' hallway dude and jump over abunch of a dead bodies to get out.

Morris Shit.

Duran They've both been seayin' at our house'cause they're both pretty messed up theywere twin brothers.

Morris God. Man I'm just, rill jus' pissed youknow I wanna know how they fricki:n' gotthese damn guns ya know. This is, youknow ..•

Duran

Morris

I wanna know why the fuck they just didit dude I don't •.• it's just insane dude.

I know you work with somebody and shit.

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just, you know it's jus' like what thefuck.

Morris

Duran

Jeah I know I know. (sigh) it's just.Shit well you know I wanna see you knowhope you're feelin' good and everything.

Yeah I'm alright like I said I'm just alittle bit shakin' but, you know I jus'been kinds hangin' and ... you know go upto, the memorial service tomorrow.

Morris Hey on the, on the video, uhm Dylan er,I think it was Eric on it, he had asawed off, double barrel, didn't he?

Duran I thin' I don't remember dude. It wasawhile ago when I saw that so ...

Morris But yeah 'cause, 'cause when I was I waslookin' at I saw you and everybody elseand and like uh, I don' know maybe yourfiance or whatever but, I I was 100ldn'in the paper and they actually showedacme uh clips of 'em, I think they usedthe same things they were goin' upshootil1' with, with you. Po you know ifthey like, took those from their dadshouse, to bring 'em?

Duran I have no clue dude. I have no clue.

Morris Hmm, man I don' know. (pause) Hey holden one second somebody's saying1I0methin' , •.

Duran Okay.

Morris H • here bold on.

(no voices)

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Duran

Morris

Duran

Yeah they knew...

•.. jus' (laughs) .

. . . they fuckin' never told us anythingdude so ...

Yeah ti' God I jus', I hope ! can findsomebody knows Somethin' you know Iwanna, ! wanna know as much as everybodyif not more 'cause, you know, ! mean!hu.'19 out with 'em everyday and, I didn'tlearn anything you know. It's it's kindapisses me off.

Duran

Morris

Duran

I know dUde we worked with 'em, fuckin'for over a year and it's just ...

Yeah I mean they even told a few peopleI guess to get out of the school thatthey knew.

Yeah that's what I heard.

Mords Yeah, Jesus_

Duran You know fuckin' Brooke and•••

Morris

Duran

Yeah Brooke's and everything like thatthey were they told 'em to basically toget out.. (sigh)

Like if the and I mean, luckily mybrother, was suppose ee , he wasn'tsuppose to leave campus that day 'causehe's a sophomore.

Morrill Yeah I was, I was uh, I did I didn'teven go to my fourth hour that day I'vebeen, like not goin' to it for like the

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Morrill

Duran

Morris

Morris

Duran

Morris

Duran

Morris

Duran

last, the last couple weeks you know andI didn't go.

Yeah.

I don' you know.

My brother was suppose to be there andfuckin' he uh, luckily my dad had givenhim, my dad had let him take his carthat clay .•• 'cause he had some art thingthat he was suppose to go•.•

Yeah yeah .

. . . or some shit take a bunch of friendsand like I said they were, sittin' up atthe street light gettin' ready toleave ...

Gsell: •

. . . that's when the shit startedhappenin' .

I know I I went down I actually wentdown and called them when I went downthere to try and help 'em 'cause, youknow I'm sittin' there you're goin' youknow I remember they they Dylan broughtin a pipe bomb once before and thingslike that and ...

He had?

(sigh) I don' know (sigh) ...

Yeah I mean, like you said I mean I wasout in Chicago when I heard about it youknow I just walk in this T-C-I andfuckin' Columbine High School and I'mjus' .••

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lSChristopher IL Morris and Philip J. Duran ,On 04/24/1999 .Pap -=--Yeah I know naw I jus' wanted to ask youabout the guns thing to because Dylansaid he was gettin' some money togetherfor ya, like a couple weeks ago.

No.Duran

Morris

Morris So I don' know.

Duran Like I said I wouldn't I was jus' likeman, I'm not eighteen I'm like I, youknow you SUys are my friends and allbut ...

Morris

Duran

Yeah yeah.

... I just don't want to de that and youknow, luckily I'm, I'm glad I didn't.

Morris

Duran

Morris

Duran

Morris

Duran

Morris

Yeah...yeah.

Definitely glad I didn't,

Yeah I jus', it's all chaotic man youknow I gotta, gotta fisure things outslowly I SUess you know.

Yeah I'm pretty much you know gettin'everything from the media and themedia's just:. full of shit you know.

I know yeah there ...

Marilyn Manson and Doom and ...

All these things are the cause of it,yeah I know.

You know I'm just like what the fuckdude, they didn't even listen to MarilynManson.

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Yeah I know, they didn't listen to anyof that junk. I mean Dylan did but,man, well Eric lias ..•

Morris

Duran Naw they didn't really listen to it thatllIUch though.

Morris Yeah yeah, well E:dc was gettin' intolilte the the ...

Duran

Morris

(UIl?

Hmm.

Duran

Morris

What'd ya say?

Hitler was get or er uh Eric was gettin'into that like Hitler stuff thoughWhich, you know was kinda strange I meanhe started readin' the books on him andeverything. Whole bunch lately but youknow I didn't even think about that.

Duran Yeah.

Morris Jesus,

Duran I wouldn't, 1 mean like I said dude itwas jus' ...you know 1. ,.didn't seem anydifferent than what I normally ... youknow then 1 ...

Morris I mean ...

Duran

Morris

.•. then llIOst kids are you know just,playin' video games •.•you know fuckin'workin' and shit like that and Ann saidthat uh, Dylan worked Monday night.

Yeah I heard that he was suppose to be"'Orkin' that night or whatever and•..

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Duran Or he came in or someehing Ann said hecame in or he was workin' Monday nightshe, she couldn't remember.

Morris

Duran

Yeah I was suppose to work Tuesday. Ithink Blackjack's closed for awhile now,for a good long while.

Uhm, he said he may open on Monday.

Morris Oh yeah.

Duran But he's sayin' if nobody wants to comeback he understands.

Morris I'm ncc , but I mean I already gave myewo weeks you know.

Duran Yeah he even had uh, I guess he even hadthe F-B-I come out on Wednesday and,sweep the store.

Geez man ehat's, that's some uh, somebigger stuff.

Duran Yeah it's pretty orazy like I said Ihaven't, I haven't seen Billy around and(In I by, didn't see his car and I'vedriven past there twioe.

(no voioes)

Duran

(sigh) Geez man. This (laughs) I don'tknow what to say about this whole thing.

I know. Insane dude.

Morris God.

Duran That's about it.

Morris Yeah, I mean I feel, I feel sorry I meanfeel sorry for 'em but at the same

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time .••you know I, it's kinaa like oneof those, you just, pissecl at 'em. Butyou know one of those how eoula they dothat.

Duran Totally elude.

Morris (sighl I don' know I mean...

Iluran

Morris

Iluran

Morris

You know and ... the thing I don't, theykeep sayin' that they're racist but Ijust ... r don't know I mean, you knowthey knew I was Mexican they neverfuckin' ... you know they never reallysaid anything Cluae ancl...

Yeah. I'm just worried about that videothing man because that's why r wanted tocall you, they may try and and you know,they're gonna be eallin' you about thatdang thing 'cause r saw it in class andeverybody was watchin' it dude like likethirty students.

(sighsl

We're all sittin' there watehin' with youand, ana Dylan and all them aoing the..hootin' up there at at Rampart.

Duran

Morris

Yeah. I'm sure they'll, question me butlike I said I don't ...

Yeah.

Duran

Morris

I don't fuekin' know dude they wou1dn',never told us anything.

I don' know I'm jus' tryin' tao .. I'm jus'tryin' ta figure out you know...

Iluran Yeah.

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Morris

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Christopher R. Morris ."d Philip J. ell.,." .00 04/24/1999 ,"'&0 _"';;;;'-_

... ! just know Eric and Dylan went upthere and you. ! don't even know whosethose other two people were.

Oh, that was my friend and bisgirlfriend.

Oh, his girlfriend?

Yeah.

Morris Cool.or notlook.

I didn't know if that was yours'cause ! dido't get a close enough

Duran

Morris

Duran

Morris

Duran

Morris

Duran

Morris

No, my girlfriend hates guns.

Yeah.

Now I'm kinda startin' to hate guns too.

Yeah. (sighs) Yeah I've been..•kindabidin' over the last oouple days it'skinda interesting it's uh, it's uh newthing for me, (laughs}

Yeah. I jus' ...

Just hide everywhere. Hidin' at mybrother's and evel;jf'thing like that.

I've just been kinda stayin' in the houseyou know, I went over to my parents andstuff and I drove by, you know, ClementPau::'k,

Yeah they, they won't let back anyanybody baok in the sohool or anything Iguess you know.

Yeah, my mom went and laid flowers andyou know...

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Morris

Duran

Morris

Yeah I, I'm suppose to be leavin' againon Sunday or Monday.

Okay, yeah cect . But uh, I'll I'llprobably t.ry and t.alk to you before thenyou know it's jus' ...

Duran Well you gonna be at the memorialservice tomorrow?

Morris

Duran

I may try it's jUs' you know my face iskinds famous. (laughs)

Yeah..•

Morris So I may try and go. Uh ..•where whereare you gain' on your t.rip this time?

Duran Uh back to Chicago again.

Morris Back to Chicago again?

Duran Yeah...

Morris Cool.

Duran •.•we fucking got like, t.hirty moresites they just found for us to do'cauae . ~ .

Morris Shit.

Duran .••T-e-I just got bought by AT&T so nowall those..•

Morris Yeah I b.eard about that.

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Duran

Morris

Duran

MQrris

You gotta convert all that crud?

Yeah, so they found a group of shit butit sounds like this job's gonna last uptill December though.

(sigh) That's ay uh, that's U11 that's uhbit of money you can collect for awhile.

Duran

MQrris

Well they were sayin' when they firststarted they told us August, but thenwhen I started the training classes theysaid they wanted it done by July first.

So yeah they keep changin' the dates onVa.

Duran Yeah now it's, it's goin' up to December.

MQrris

Duran

MQrris

Duran

MQrris

Yeah, well, you know hey I'll try and,maybe I'll call and drop ya a line yeuknow t.omorrow, maybe you know ... Jus'depende on things ...

You know like I liaid I'll be so I'll lookfor you and, you know (UII •••

Cool I'll try and, I'll try and come by.

Alright.

(UI) •

Duran

Morris

Duran

MQrX'1s

Okay cool man.

Talk to ya later.

Alright..

Bye.

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Duran Bye.

(hangs up phonel

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(continuous dial tone)

Morris This is Christopner Ricnard Morris Ijust completed a. phonecall •..witn ... Phil Joseph Duran, a.t oneoh two ...p.m., on ... four uh twenty-fourninety-nine.

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Gary Morris,Morris.

Christopher R. Morris, date of birth June S, 1981, homeaddress 5466 West Portland Drive, Littleton, Colorado, hometelephone number (303) 972-8864, was interviewed at his attorneysoffice, Richalano and Ridley PC, 1800 15th Street, Denver,Colorado. Morris was advised of the identities of theinterviewing Agents and aSked about his knOWledge of the eventsthat lead to the shootings at Columbine High School on April 20,1999. Morris was also asked about his knOWledge concerning thepurchase of weapons by Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold.

Also present during the inte~!iew was Dr.Morris' father and John Richalano, Morris' attorney.provided the following infortration:

Morris stated that he had no knowledge of, nor did heparticipate in the events that lead up to the shootings atColumbine High School (CHS).

Morris stated that he was one of the founding membersalong with Joe Stair (phonetic) and Tad Boles of what the otherCHS students coined as the "Trench Coat Mafia". As a freshman atCHS, Morris was picked on because of his size. Between hisfreshman and sophomore years he grew a lot and he and a fewothers began donning the black trench coat/slickers in order tointimidate the kids that picked on them. Morris admitted he hada bad temper but he got his temper under control by the time hewas a junior at CHS. The Trench Coat Mafia picture in the 199BCMS yearbook was a joke as far as Morris was concerned and itprovided comic relief to the kids that wore the black trenchcoats.

Morris began to know Harris and Klebold in his junioryear when the three were in the same video production class andby the beginning of Morris' senior year he was good friends withboth Harris and Klebold. Morris stated that Harris and Kleboldshared many of the same interests in computers, computer games,etc. About the time Morris began not wearing his trench ccat,both Harr~s and Klebold began to wear theirs. Morris believedthat they wore the coats for self protection. Morris stated thatHarris was not a very big person and was more susceptible togetting picked on than either he or Klebold, who were both OVer

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six feet tall. Morris recalled that Harris was depressed abouthis size and getting picked on. Morris was aware that Harris'nickname was "Reb' and Klebold's nickname was "Vodka".

Morris hegan working at BlackJack Pizza, located atpierce Street and Ottawa Avenue in the Pierce Street ShoppingCenter, Littleton, Colorado, in October 1996. By Fall 1998Harris, Klehold, Nathan Dykeman, and Philip Duran all worked atthe above BlackJack Pizza. Morris recalled that sometime beforeThanksgiving 1998 Klebold brought into BlackJack Pizza a pipebomb to show his friends. Morris recalled he got very mad atKlebold and told him never to bring another bomb into the pizzashop or for that matter never show another pipe bomb to himbecause he knew how stup~d it was to have a pipe bomb and howmuch trouble Klabold could get into if the police found out hehad a pipe bomb.

After Christmas Morris began to think that Harris wasbecoming more depressed. Far what reason Morris did not know.Morris stated that about two months ago he began drifting awayfrom Harris as their interests were changing. Morris had agirlfriend, Nicole Markham, and Harris began getting into Germanmusic and books that didn't interest Morris. Morris recalledgoing to a German heavy metal concert with Harris that featured aband called Ramatein. Morris also recalled that Harris beganreading books on Hitler and concentration camps. Morris statedthat he was involved with his own life and not Harris' and thetwo grew apart.

Morris had bowling classes on Monday, Tuesday, andWednesday with Harris, KIabold, and Dykeman and would associatewith the above individuals during school hours but stopped doingsocial things with them. On occasion Harris would pick up Morrisat Morris' home and drive him to bowling class and on someoccasions Harris would drive Morris home from school.

Approximately one month ago Harris brought a C02cartridge filled with what Morris thought was gunpowder into theElackJack Pizza. Harris told Morris that it was a "trip bomb"for the unknown people that were crawling through the fencebehind BlackJack. Morris told the interviewing Agents that theBlackJack employees were constantly fixing the fence that unkno~~

people were crawling through and it annoyed the BlackJack

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employees. Morris thought a trip bomb was a little extreme forpeople crawling through the fence. Harris told Morris the tripbomb was just to scare the people. Morris described the tripbomb as a C02 cartridge wrapped in duct tape and fused withmatches and a string. Morris stated that possibly Klebold andDykeman were at the BlackJack Pizza when Harris brought in thetrip bomb.

Morris recalled on another occasion, Harris and Kleboldhad set off a device behind BlackJack Pizza but Morris was notsure what kind of a device it was.

Morris restated that over the last month or so he didnot see Harris or Klebold mUCh. except at school, because he washanging around Corey Friesen a lot. Friesen knew Harris andKlebold. Morris did attend a birthday get together for Harris onHarris' lath birthday. Morris stated that Harris, Klebold,Morris, Friesen, and Markham went to the Draft Bar, located atSouthwest Plaza Shopping Center, to celebrate Harris' birthday.

Morris went to prom Saturday night, April 17, 1999 withMar~~am. Morris and Markham went with another couple, George(last name unknown) and a friend of Markhams, whose name Morriscould not recall. Morris stated Klebold went to prom with RobinAnderson and Dykeman went to prom with Christi Epling. Harrisdid not go to prom as he oould not find a date. MorrkS statedthat he and others tried to help Harris find a date to prom butthey were unsuccessful. Harris did attend After Prom and Harrisactually went into the school for After Prom with Morris, Markhamand the other couple. Harris, and Klebold played the pokertables together and everyone seemed to be having a good time.Morris said he last saw Harris and Klebold sometime around 1:30am- 2:00am. Morris and Mar~~am left After Prom at approximatelySam. Morris and Markham went to Markham's residence and stayedthere until Sunday afternoon.

On Sunday April 18, 1999, Morris spent the afternoonbetween Friesen's residenoe and Morris' residence installingstereo equipment in his car.

On Monday, April 19, 1999, Morris followed Harris tobowling class at Belleview Lanes and was there with Harris,Klebold, and Dykeman. After the class all four went to a nearby

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King Soopers for donuts. Morris returned to school and attendedhis classes. Morris did nOt recall if Harris and/or Kleboldreturned to classes on Monday, Morris stated after his classeswere over he returned to his residence where he took a nap. Atapproximately 2:00pm Markham arrived at Morris' residence andwoke him up. At 2:30pm Morris followed Markham back by CMS whereMarkham had to stop for a choir robe fitting. Morris did notstop at school but continued on to Friese~s residence, Morrisstated that at about 3:30pm Markham also came to Friesen'sresidence and the two left and went back to Markhams residence.At approximately 8pm Morris left Markham's residence and returnedto Friese~s. Morris and Friesen then went to see their friendCharles Phillip II who was working at Video City, located atKipling and Jewell, Lakewood, Colorado. They stayed at VideoCity until approximately lOpm talking to Phillips and playingvideo games. At lOpm Morris and Friesen returned to Friesen'sresidence and played the video game Friesen had rented at VideoCity. Morris went home at 12 - 12:30am.

On Tuesday, April 20, 1999, Morris waited for Harris toshare a ride to bowling class. At 5:50am Harris did not show, soat approximately 6:00am Morris drove himself to the BelleviewLanes. When he arrived at the bowling alley he picked up hisbowling ball and shoes and waited for the others to arrive. Soonthereafter Dykeman showed up and asked where Harris and Kleboldwere. Morris told Dykeman that he did not know where the othertwo were and Morris and Dykeman continued on with the class andbowled two games, beginning at 6:30am.

When bowling class was over, Morris went to McDonald'sand then to Clement Park. Morris was having problems with hiscar overheating and thought he would leave his car at ClementPark instead of parking at the CHS parking lot. Morris begantalking to the unknown male parked beside him and eventuallydecided to take the chance of his car overheating in the studentparking lot and gave the kid a ride to CHS parking lot.

Morris attended his second hour class, which started at8:20am. This class is with Kenneth Friesen, the father of CoreyFriesen. Morris then went to his third hour Government/Economicsclass taught by Mr Tenoli (phonetic). This class began sometimeafter 9:00am and ended at approximately lO:15am. Morris statedthat his fourth hour class is Acting and that he had missed a lot

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of the classes prior to April 20, 1999 and had not attended farseveral days/weeks, as he knew he was going to fail the classanyway.

At approximately 10:lSam, April 20, 1999, Morris leftCHS and went to Cub Foods, in a close by shopping center, on hisway to Corey Friesen's house. Morris stated that at the time ofthe shootings he was playing computer games at Friesen's housewith Corey. Morris stated it was not until Mrs. Friesen calledand told the boys ahout the shootings and questioned whether theyhad heard from Kenneth Friesen.

As the facts of the shooting began coming over thetelevision Morris began to suspect that Harris, Klebold, andpossible others were involved. Morris made numerous attempts tocontact Jefferson County Sheriff's Office (Jeso), to tell themwhat he knew about Harris and Klebold. Morris stated that scsokept putting him off or the line was constantly busy so hedecided to go to Clement Park so he could tell what he knew.When Mcrris arrived at Clement Park he was eventually detained byJCSO and later debriefed.

Just weeks prior to the CHS shootings Morris began tonotice that Harris was becoming more aggressive and was pickingfights with other people, This made Morris very angry because itappeared to Morris that Harris kept expecting Morris to bail himout of these fights. Morris also recalled approximately one weekbefore the CHS shootings that Harris had asked Morris if he couldstore some fireworks at Morris' house. Morris declined, tellingHarris that it would make his Mom too mad. Neither Morris orHarris brought the subject of fireworks up after that exchange.

Morris was unaware of any Websites that Harris had.

After the shootings, Morris stated that his girlfriend,Markham had recalled in retrospect that approximately one to twoweeks prior to the shooting she had observed Harris and Kleboldin the CHS cafeteria looking over a piece of paper. Markham wentup to them and asked what they were doing. Markham told Morristhat were trying to hold the paper back where she could not readwhat was on it so she teasingly grabbed the paper from them. Onthe paper was a diagram of the school cafeteria along with thelocation of the cameras.

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Morris was then aSked by the interviewing Agents aboutany knowledge he ~~y have of where the weapons used in theshootings came from, Morris stated that he did recall anotherBlackJack Pizza employee, Phil Duran, had taken Harris andKlebold shoot~ng, and believed they had gone to gun shOWStogether. Morris had overheard Duran talking to Harris andKlebold about the gun shows. Approx~mately three weeks to onemonth ago Morris also overheard two other BlackJack Pizzaemployees, James and Billy (last names unknown), talking aboutHarris and Klebold having purchased a gun from Duran or one ofDuran's friends. Morris recalled that the gun they purchased wasan AJ{-47 or a "Tech'. Morris stated at the time he did not knowwhat a Tech was, and in fact at first thought they were talkingabout a computer. In any event Morris thought to himself thatthis talk about guns was not good, However he had no idea of theevents that were going to happen at CHS on April 20, 1999.

Morris was aware that Duran lived in a house withseveral other people to include another BlackJaok Pizza employee,Angel (last name unknown).

Morris was aware that Duran was a marijuana smoker, aswere Harris and Klebold. Morris knew this because Duran hadoffered him some at one time when Duran was giving Morris a ridehome from work. Morris stated he observed Harris and Kleboldsmoking "pot" on one occasion. Morris had no reason to believethat Duran was a threat to him Or Dykeman.

Morris concluded the interview by stating that he wasmOre than willing to assist in this investigation and was askedagain if he had knowledge of, or participated in the planning orexecution of the shootings and bomb planting at CBS. Morrisrestated that he did not and as further proof, if had been awareof the events of April 20, 1999 he would not have allowed hisgirlfriend, who he stated he loves, in the CBS cafeteria at thetime of the shooting, or his girlfriend's little brother, whocame running into the cafeteria telling everyone to get downbecause of the shooting. Nor would he have had his best friend'sdad, Kenneth Friesen, in the school at the time of the shootings.

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Christopher Richard Morris, date of birth June 9, 1981,5466 West Portland Drive, Littleton, Colorado, Social SecurityAccount Number 521-63-0154, was interviewed outside ColumbineHigh School, Littleton, Colorado. After being advised of theidentity of the interviewing Agent and the purpose of theinterview, Morris provided the following information:

Morris was at Corey Friesen's home, a friend fromColu~~ine High School, watching television when he saw a reporton the shooting at Columbine High School. As he listened to thereport, he thought he knew who was involved and came back to theschool to provide information.

Morris believed the two students who were involved tobe Eric Harris and Dylan Klebcld. Harris alsc goes by the nickname of "Reb" and Klebold "Vodka" . Others he thoughtmight be involved were (a recent graduate ofColumbine) and elt this because and

as and Kleb d.

Morris was the first to start wearing a black trenchcoat. As others started wearing the coats, Morris stopped. Hedid this because it was no longer a statement of hisindividuality. Morris stated that he and the others wereinsulted by other students because of the trench coats. Harrisand Klebold continued to wear the black trench coats and Harriswore his all the time. Morris believes Harris did this becausethe coat made him feel tougher. The name "Trench Coat Mafia"came about after Morris discontinued wearing the coat.

Besides bowling early in the morning, Morris' classes(for the morning schedule) were: first period - no class; 2ndhour - Mr. Friesen; and 3rd hour· Mr. Tinnelly. On April 20,1999, Morris went to bowling. but Harris and Klebold were notthere. After bOWling class, Morris went to school and attendedhis scheduled classes. After 3rd hour, he left campus to getsomething to eat and then went to Corey Friesen's house. Coreyis the son of Mr. Friesen, the teacher. Once Morris determined

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that Harris and Klebold were involved, he felt he should find hisgirlfriend, Nicole Markham (303-904-3538 - blocked number), Hefound his girlfriend, then decided to come back to columbine tosee if he could provide Some information.

Morris advised that Harris and Klebold had been makingbombs for some time. They had been reading "The Anarchis~s'

Cookbook" and a number of different books about Hitler and theNazis. Morris was unaware of any Web sites frequented by Harrisor Klebold. Both Klebold and Harris were knowledgeable in bombmaking.

Klebold, Harris and Morris all worked at the BlackjackPizza (Columbine and Pierce, (303) 978-0600). About six monthsprior to April 20, 1999, Klebold and Harris set up a trip wireexplosive device on a gate behind the Blackjack Pizza. They madea special showing cf the device to Morris. He told them to~get

rid of it. Harris and Klebold also brought a pipe bomb to theBlackjack Pizza. Again, Morris told them that having the deviceswas a federal offense and that they could go to jail. This wasimportant to Morris as he knew that Harris and Klebold had justcome off Diversion for some other offenses. Morris described thepipe bomb as being made of PVC pipe, about 10 inches long andhaving a fuse at one end. He was told it was filled with screws.Another explosive had a fuse and was made from a C02 cartridge,The manager of the Blackjack Pizza was Bob Kirges (phonetic). Heis no longer there. The new manager is Chris Lowell (phonetic).These individuals may have knowledge about the bombs at Blackjackor about Harris and Klebold.

Morris did not know of any steady girlfriends foreither Harris or Klebold, but did say that Klebold took RobinAnderson to the Prom. Morris described his relationship withHarris and Klebold as not close. They were not close friends andhe did not know much about either's personal life. However,about two weeks ago Morris was privy to a conversation withHarris. This conversation took place at the morning bowlingclass. Harris was saying, "Wouldn't it be fun to kill all thejocks?" Morris did not think Harris was serious, but Harriscontinued with comments about blowing up the school. Harris saidthey could put bombs on the school's generators and that shouldblow up the school. As Morris wanted nothing more of thisconversation, he began talking to someone else.

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When aSked if Morris thought Harris and Klebold wouldset booby traps and explosives in the school, he stated that fromwhat he had heard so far, he believed they might. When askedwhere Harris and Klebold may have gotten the guns, Morris statedthat the shotgun may have been from Klebold's father as he had anumber of guns and was a hunter. Morris thought that other gunsmay have been obtained through an older boy (early 20s> at theBlack Jack Pizza. He mentioned Phil Duran as someone who mighthave more information or who might have actually gotten guns forHarris and Klebold. Morris recalled that Harris and Klebold usedto get pins from bowling and use them for target practice.

At this time, the interview was concluded.

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PARKER, BRENDA

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WITNESS

INTERVIEWER:

DATEJTIME OFINTERVIEWS.

PLACE OFlNTERVIEW:

ASSIGNMENTSYNOPSIS

Control Number 4744

BREl'l'DAPARKER, DOB 2119175,1045 t;. ~ Ave, Broomfield,Colorado, (303) 439-7269

AgentJERRY W. ME~'lS, Colorado Bureauof Investigation, 690Kipling Street, Denver, Colorado, 80215, (303) 239-4211

July 14, 1999

1045 E 9"'Ave., Broomfield, Colorado.

A report was received through the Northglenn Police Departmentindicating BrendaPAAKER knows someofthe TCM membersassociated withthe Columbine High School shooting.

PARKER wascontacted byphone on July 13, 1999 She statedshe briefly dated EricHARRIS earlierthis year. PARKER agreedto an interview at her home on July 14, 1999

PARKER was interviewed in her homeon July 14, 1999 Shestatedshe recognized HARRIS andKLEYBOLD whentheirpictures wereshown on the news inassociation withtheColumbine Shooting. She statedshe basneverattendedColumbine High School, and that she met HARRIS at one of theDenverarea mallsin mid January of 1998. Shecouldnot recall thespecific mall PARKER stated shewas shopping with a girlfriendKen UN UNKand HARRIS andKLEYBOLD started followingthemaround. PARKER statedsheand her girlfriend went into afemaleclothing storeandHARRIS andKLEYBOLD followedthem inside. She stated theyall began to talk and sheagreedtomeet Harris AT 88TH andWadsworth Blvd the following day.

PARKER stated sheandHARRIS began to communicate on thephone dailyand wouldgo cruising in her Mustang. ShestiltedKLEYBOLD was withHARRIS mostof the time she waswithhim PARKER staledtheywould just drivearoundand talk aboutracingcars, andwhere theyworked. ShestaledHARRIS told hertheyworked at Blackjack Pizza,andwhenshe wouldgo bytheretheywouldgiveher free pizza. She statedshealso met a guynamed Chris at Blackjack Pizza, Shestatedshedidnot know

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Chris's lastname, but heworked at the pizza store, andwas friendswithHARRIS and KLEI130LD She statedChriswas describedas wearing glasses, withbrown hair, had a medium build, and worearmytype clothes a lot. PARKER statedthey nevermentionedweapons, drugs, or any typeof destructive activity She stated shewas really into racing hercarandthat warall"!hey ever talkedabout PARKER stated she andHARRIS alsowent bowling onceand to Bandemier Race track,

PARKER described HARRIS as polite, happy, nice, andverycomplementary to her She stated KLEYBOLD was quiet,andkind of goofy looking, and heworefunny looking clothes, Shedescribed his clothes as loose/baggy type, but neversawhim weara trenchcoat. Shestatedshewentto HARRIS'S home withhimoncebut shedid notgo in. Shestated HARRIS went inside andchanged hisclothes. Shestated his car wasa blackHonda z-doorShe stated shenever sawanyweapons or drugs inhis carPARKER stated HARRIS hada brother named Kevin whowent toschool in Boulder and they went to seehim once She Slated heusually wornjeans, tee shirts, a backward baseball cap, andaflannel shirt, SheSlated he was clean cut, and shenever sawhimwear a trench coat,

PARKER described he relationship withHARRIS as friends Shestated theywereneverreally serious, he wasjust fun to be with,PARKER statedshe and HARRIS had intimate relations on twoseparate occasions. Shestated shedid not remember any scars orbirthmarks on himbecause it was darkwhen they weretogetherShestatedhewas a smoker, but never sawhimdo anydrugs. Shewas uncertain if he had a pierced ear,but Slated he never wore anearring or anyotherjewelry that sheremembered. PARKERstatedtheyweretalking in the fall of 1998 andshe found out hewasonly 17yearsold, Shestated she felthe was too young, andshe wasshocked, PARKER statedaftershefound out he was 17they sort of grew apart, anddid not hang out anymore.

PARKER statedshecalled him on the phone in January orFebruary of 1999 to seehowhe wasdoing. She stated heseemedvery different, andwasnot friendly likehe was before She statedhe was quiet, but he made no mention of weapons, drugs, or anytype of destructive plan,

PARKER statedHARRIS hadhelped her withhercomputer whentheyweretogether, Shestated heraccount wasBll!l!l!.Stal!g@aol.com Shestatedhis address was something withReb at A 0 L or Prodigy, but shecould not remember Shestated

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shenever got hers to workand they did not communicate on thecomputer,

PARKER called the Reporting Agent on July 16, 1999, and statedshebada photo anda recorded message of HARRIS TheReporting Agent responded to herhomeandJl,icked up the items,A evidence tracking form was used to document the items taken.A copyis attached to this report. Thetape and photo werereviewed withLeadInvestigator, Kate BATTEN. The photo couldnotbe identified as anyone related to the case. Thetapewasreviewed andno information concerning weapons, drugs, or theColumbine High School was found. Thevoiceon the tape did notsound like otherknown HARRIS recordings. Thetapeandphotowerereturned to PARKER bytheReporting Agenl

PARKER stated shehad metBrooks BROWN last yearthroughEricHARRIS Shestaled shecalled BROWN around the tirst ofJuly, 1999 to seehow he wasdoing, Parker statedtheywentouttogether on the weekend ofJuly 18,and 19, 1999 Shestatedtheydid not discuss Columbine. HARRIS, or KLEYBOLD ShestatedBROWN did notmention anyone else involved in the shooting,andstated shebad no infbrmation to add PARm did mentionthatBROWN had moved outof his home andwas living in anapartment in Denver TheReporting .<\gent toldPARKER that hehadnot spoke to BROWN, andreally hadno questions about him,however, someone from theColumbine TaskForceinvestigatingthe shooting may havesome additional questions for herPARm agreed to answer anyadditional questions investigatorshadfor her

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INTERVIEWER:

DATEITIME OFINTERVIEW

PLACE OFINTERVIEW:

ASSIGNMENTSYNOPSIS:

Follow-upReport918199

ControlNumber 4744-2

BRENDA PARKER, DOB 2/19175, 1045 E. 91hAve. Broomfield,Colorado, (303)439-7269

Agent JERRY W. MEANS, Colorado Bureauof Investigation, 690KiplingStreet, Denver, Colorado, 80215, (303) 239-4211

Investigator DONESTEP, Jefferson CountySheriffDepartment,200 Jefferson Parkway, Golden, Colorado, (103) 205-0922

September 7, 1999, at approximately 5.11 p m

1045E. 91hAve, Broomfield, Colorado

Jefferson County Investigator, DonESTEPcontacted theReporting Agenton September 7, 1999 Investigator ESTEPstatedhe badreceived information fromthe Federal BureauofInvestigation (FBI)regarding Brenda PARKER The informationreceived from the FBI identified PARKER as making statementson the Internet, connecting herselfto the Columbine shooting

BrendaPARKER wascontacted on September 7, 1999 in herhome, at the aboveaddress. PARKER slated she hadbeen busyworking on her Internet business she operates fromher home Shestatedthe nameof her company is !Be-10 and the address ishttp://www.wppwired.comkgi-binlmivll?! PARKER stated heremailaddress is b1llmatrix@aol com.

PARKER statedshe keeps in touchwithJudy BROWN (BrooksBROWNS mom) Shestated thelast timeshe talked to BrooksBROWN was approximately 2 weeks ago, whenthey metandwent to the movie, BlairWilCh Project She statedthey discussedhow they each weredoing, and really did IlOt talk abouttheColumbine shooting.

PARKER statedshe spends a lot of time on the Internet, talking inchat rooms and comments on bulletin boards, She stated she metagirl named Catherine on the Internet approximately 2 months agoShe statedCatherine livesinBoston, and they havetalkedon the

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phone,but neveractually met PARKER stated Catherine used tohave a web site dedicated to Eric HARRIS and DylanKLEYBOLD The website createdby Catherinewas called "AMemorial, Tears for Ericand Dylan" PARKERstated the website contained pictures ofKLEYBOLD and HARRIS, a list of theirfriends, andsome of their biography

PARKERSlated she does not knowCatherine's last name, but sheknows Catherine has a boyfriend namedPaul and a roommatenamedAlex. PARKERstatedshe and Catherine havebeenplanningon meetingeachother, but the first trip had to becancelled, Parker statedCatherine is comingto Denver on OctoberlO, 1999, and going to staywith her, She stated Catherine wants tosee Columbine High School

The Reporting AgentaskedParker if she discusses the Columbineshootingwith people on the Internet. She staledthat people shemeets on the Internetalways want to ask her questions aboutHARRIS and KLEYBOLD She statedshe tells peoplewhat kindof people they were, and bow bad she feels about the incident, butthat is really all she bastalkedabout PARKERstated HARRIStold her his theory about a "PurpleMonkey", and she hadmentioned that to somepeopleon the net She statedthe purplemonkeytheory had something to dowith the moon and a monkey,but it reallywas just a made-up story from HARRIS

The Reporting Agent askedPARKER if she had ever told anyoneon the Internetthat she was involved in the shootingor had anyprior knowledge, PARKER stated she had never told anyone sheknew about the shooting Investigator ESTEP asked HERif sheknewwho "VODKAREB" was on the Internet, and she stated thatwas her Internetname She statedCatherine is known as"BOSTENBITCH" PARKER was askedif she ever wrotemessagesto Catherine aboutbeing involved in the planningof thesnooting. She denied having any prior knowledge, and stated shedid not knowanything about it until it was reported on the news

PARKERwas shown a partial copyof a messageposted on thetrenchcoaticp bulletin board, The messagewas writtenbyVODKAREB and staled

Ok well I see that I can't trustANYONE in thisclub so I tookmypies and saying I am aulahereI

P.s, whoever copiedthepies likeI said not to, I Will findout whoyou areandyou betterwatch your back' OB GAWD whydidn 'I I

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just go along with the plan? I could be with them right /UJW BUrNO 1 WAS CHICKENSHITand now 1have IQ be stuck here all bymyselfwith pathetic little STUPlDHEADSI Well not nt more! Iguess1will do what I should've done on -1-20 BoomI No morepain!

PARKER read the Internet message andstatedshe rememberedwriting part of it, but statedthat someone must have addedthe lastpart. She statedanyone in the club could have addedthe last part

PARKER wasgiventhe entire typed conversation betweenVODKAREB and BOSTONBITCH and asked to review it Shetookapproximately 20 minutes to readthe conversation and thenstated shewroteit to Catherine. Shestated shewas describing adream she had to Catherine. The Reponing Agent and InvestigatorESTEP readvarious portions of the conversation to PARKER. andtold herit sounded more like a discussion between two people thana description of a dream she had After a lengthy discussion on thewritten conversations content PARKER admitted shewrote it. Shestated it was nottrue andstated shehadno prior knowledge of theColumbine shooting incident Shestatedshe made-up all thecomments shehadwritten to Catherine. PARKER statedshe hadno intention of causing hannto herselfor anyone else She statedshehas no lifeandspendsway too much timeon the Internet.

PARKER continued to deny writing the threatening portion of theItalic statement written above Shestatedshewould take apolygraph, andcooperate with anyaddition interviews that wereneeded.

TheReporting Agent and Investigator ESTEP met away fromPARKER and discussed the information obtained during theinterview. PARKER was counseled about the seriousness ofclaiming to participate in theshooting, whenindeed, that did notoccur, Shestatedit was stupid of her to write that type of stuffandstated it would not happen again. TheReporting Agent andInvestigator ESTEP concluded the interview and leftthe residence,

Investigator reviewed the interview withJefferson County DistrictAttorney, MarkPAUTLER No further action wasassigned at thistime

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ROBERT GENE PERRY, DaB 09/12/1980, address at 7836South Newland Street, Littleton, Colorado, telephone 303-904­9153, was advised of the identities of the interviewing agentsand the purpose of the interview. PERRY was interviewed in thepresence of his parents, JAMES PERRY, work telephone 303-534­4000, cellular telephone 303-904-9153, and LYDIE PERRY, worktelephone 303-744-6126. PERRY provided the follOWinginformation:

PERRY dropped out of COLu~INE HIGH SCHOOL (CHS) acouple of months ago and recently started a night jcb at SAFEWAY,located at Ken Carl and Pierce, in Littleton.

PERRY had been interviewed by law enforcement officersduring the evening of 04/20/1999, concerning his involvement inthe TRENCH COAT MAFIA (TCM) , and his alleged associates, ERICHARRIS and DYLAN, PERRY could not recall what DY~~'s last namewas,

PERRY's sist;er, LYDIE, was04/20/1999, when the shooting began.unharmed.

in the cas cafeteria onshe escaped the incident

PERRY met; HARRIS and DYLAN briefly last year during thelatter part of the school year. At t;he time, bcth were beginningto associate with members of the TCM, PERRY did not considerthem to be actual members, but bot;h were good friends of TCMleader, CHRIS MORRIS.

PERRY did not consider either HARRIS or DYLAN to begoed friends of his.

HARRIS was described as an angry, bitter person, Likea lot of the other TCM members, he had been constantly picked on,taunted, and had food thrown at him by some of the other student;sat CHS. DYLAN, a follower of HARRIS. was a lot more easy goingand friendly.

The last t;ime PERRY had any contact with HARRIS orDYUL~ was circa January 1999, when he said hi to them outside ofthe school,

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PERRY's family had a computer, but he nevercommunicated with either HARRIS or DYLAN over the Internet.PE~~Y's Internet provider was AT! Worldnet. He spent so muchtime on the computer that his parents started restricting hisaCcess to it.

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PERRY was the first person in the TCM who startedtrench coat. Before then, their group was known as theOne student, unaffiliated with their group, came up

name TCM because of PERRY'S trench coat.

PERRY could not afford an expensive oil-skinnedAustralian duster, so he wore a cheaper, all-cotton black trenchcoat. PERRY was the only member of the TC}l who wore an actualtrench coat. The rest of the members were an Australian duster.

PERRY was into che "Gothic'" or "Goth" movement in Denverand enjoyed wearing black clothes. The true "Goth" movement wasconsidered non-violent, whose members felt more at home andcomfortable during the night,

itsSome

. The TCM initially tried to be a "Goth" group, butmembers were too aggressive and violent for the movement,TCM members still liked to dress in Gothic style.

FERRY stopped associating with the TCM during the firstday of school, circa August, 1998, after MORRIS threatened himwith physical violence. MORRIS was angry that LYDIE FERRY hadinsulted him over a girl and PERRY had made a point to pass themessage directly onto MORRIS. Afterwards, MORRIS had threatenedto beat-up and kill PERRY.

MORRIS was considered to be more aggressive and violentthan the ather TCM members. He constantly picked fights withother students. PERRY considered himself to be a "paci.f i at;" andwas afraid of guns. FERRY did not like violence of any kind anddid not own or possess any guns. PERRY stopped associating withthe TeM when they became increasingly violent, They wouldconstantly get into violent confrontations with other studentsusing baseball bats and knives as weapons.

At no time did any TCM members make any bombs orexplosive devices while PERRY associated with the group.

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PERRY identified the fOllowing individuals as TCMmembers:

CHRIS MORRIS (leader of the group)TADD BOLESANDY THOMAS (a friend of MORRIS')HORST (LNU) (a student at CHATFIELD HIGH SCHOOL)JOE STAIRBRIAN SARGENTCHUCK (LNU) (one of the founders of the group; lived in

Golden, Colorado)CORY FRIESENERIC JAClCBONJOSH (LNU) (a friend of SA.'WENT's)

PERRY and STAIR had talked casually in the past about"Type A" napalm. Neither of them really wanted to make any ofit.

LYDIE PERRY was friends with a lot of the TOM'sgirlfriends, but was not considered to be a member herself.LYDIE attempted on many occasions to talk her girlfriends out ofassociating with them. LYDIE was good friends with MORRIS'girlfriend and oould identify a lot of other TCM members.

PERRY was shown a CHS class photo taken in Maroh 1999,and identified MORRIS as the individual wearing sunglasses and ablack beret in the middle, back row of students. PERRY could notidentify any of the other students in the photograph.

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On April26,1999, ROBERT GENEPERRY, DOB 0911211980, was contacted athis home, address7836 So Newland Street,Littleton, Colorado 80128, 303~904~9153. ROBERTPERRY, was advised the identity of the interviewing investigator's. ROBERT PERRYwasadvisedthe purposeof the interviewand provided the following Informanon:

ROBERT PERRY advised he has recently obtained a job working a graveyard shiftat Safewayon Ken Caryland South Pierce. So as not to interrupt his sleeppatternshe stayedawakefrom 04/1911999, to 0412011999. ROBERT PERRY statedbetween 8 am and II am hewas talking to his Grandmother, who residesat their home. He statedat II am he went to hisbedroom in the basementand went to sleep, at 1140am he was awaken by his motherstompingon the kitchen floor which is directlyabove his room. he wentupstairs and his mother told himwhat she had heard over the news about the COLUMBINE maH SCHOOL (CHS) shootingthatwas taking place. ROBERTPERRY returned to his room gotdressedand preparedto go the CHSto checkon the welfare of his younger sister,LYDIE PERRY, DOB 11/28/81.

ROBERT PERRYadvised When he gOI dressedhe discussedLYDIE's classschedulewith his motherand determinedLYDIEwasmostlikely in the lunchroom. Atapproximately 12 noon he began to walk to CHS looking forLYDIE, at approximately 1215 p.rn.he met up with his dad whohad left workand wasdriving a possible route L¥DIE may havetaken. ROBERT PERRYand his father(UM PERRY) returned to their home. ROBERT PERRYadvised theyreceive a telephone call from PAULINE COLBY whostatedshe has not gone toschool todaydue to a illness and had received a call from anotherindividual that staledL¥DIEwas at the COLUMBINE PUBLIC LIBRARY) (CPL,) ROBERT PERRY and his fatherwereleaving to pick up L¥DIE when KRISTINE TIfEIBAULT, arrived at their home. aftera briefdiscussion with her, ROBERTPERRY and his fatherwentto the CPL and pickedup L¥DIE andJENNlFERCOLBY. then they returned to their home. ROBERTPERRYadvisedafter theyreturnedhome with LYDIE the entire family left to do someshopping then went OUIto dinner andwere together for the restof the night.

ROBERT PERRY was asked to describethe trench coats that were worn by themembers of the Trench coat Mafia. He provided his blackovercoat and explainedthe others had

04/26/1999 Littleton, Colorado

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INVESTIGATOR GARY CLYMAN &

~ 04/26/1999

INVESTIGATOR DONA~ ESTEP DNJTTF-DT

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174A-DN 57419ROBERT GENE PERRY OOB 09/12/1980 04/26/1999

purchased the westernduster style coat. He advised the following list of members all had the 2duster type coats:

CHRlS MORRISTAD BOLESDYLANERIC HARRISJOE STAIRCHUCK orCHARLESHORST

ROBERT PERRY advisedlast yearZACK HELTON, a student at CHS locatedthestudent locker combinenons onthe computer, he loaded the combinanoas onto a disk and braggedto !lim aboutthe discovery. ROBERT PERRY was certain HELTON had told CHRlS MORRISaboutthe locker combinations.

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~olct.<"", 1."{.\, 'l"t STATE OF COLORADOV~ 'v>.. \ COLORADO VEfIICLE REGISTRATION

DATE: 04/21/1999fI11E: Ol:23:03

CO 80123VIN, 1P4G~.4-,R4P)(632974

TITLE: HB29H67TAl.'!; 11P449722- REGULAR DESIGNER

LITTLETONMAKE: PLY

STYLE: swYEAR, 1993

PASSENGERTEST REQUIRED

'Nt. "ERRY JAMES R·NER~ _ PERRY i.vo IE JINER3:aVER:'DRESS: 7836 S NEWLAND 5TCENSE; 1-1114096DENSE STATE; COPIRATION, 10/1999,SURED STATUS' INSURED'UNTY CODE: 11 VALID EMISSIONS·ssage sent 4/21,199 1:.:23

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STATE OF COLORADOCOLORADO VEHICLE REGISTRATION

DATE: 04/21/1999TIME: 01:23:17

CO 80128'lIN: JT2EL43AXN013750S

TITLE: l1R201359T'lEl: 111..112964- REGULAR DESIGNER

LITTLETONMAKE: TO)'

STYLE: 40YEAR: 1992

PASSE1"1GERTEST REOUIRED

NER, PERRY LYOIE JI,ER2: PERRY JAMES R

INER3::,rVER:IDRESS: 7836 S NEWLAND STDENSE: ~mp510

GENSE STATE: coPIRATION: 02/2000rSUF,EO STATUS: UNKNOWNIUNTY CODE: 1l. VALID EMISSIONS':5' re s.errt 4/2.1/99 l::24

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QUERY ON:NAM/PERRY,R08ERT G D08/19800912"'** cere INFO MAY 8E USED FOR CRIMINAL JUSTICE PURPOSES ONLY *,"*

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STATE OF COLORADOCOLORADO DRIVER RECORD

]"" ". GENE PEHRY5, ',EO/LAND STqL~,ON CO 80128

DATE: 04/21/1.999TIME: 01:34:39

INSURED STATUS:

LAS::.ORADO PIN: 99-089'-0892;ENSE NUMBER: 990890892[GHT: 6 05 vIEIOI-IT: 130'R: BROWN EYES, BROWN101'1 : N SEX: MALEJORSEMENTS:: NONEiTRICTIONS::VIOUS STATE AND LICENSE:,UlAR LICENSE STATUS: MAY1MERCIAL LICENSE STATUS:,sage sent 4/21/99 1: 34

SSN: $23-3,;,,-6056 COL CLASS:LICENSE TYPE: PROVISIONAL IDENTIFIISSUE DATE: 19990330EXPIRATIOi'l: 20010912BIRTH DATE: 19800912

APPLY FOR COLORADO LICENSEMAY APPLY FOR COLORADO LICENSE

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ML PERRY36 ~~ NEWLAND STTTLETOM

STATE OF COLORADOCOLORADC DRIVER RECORD

CO 80128

DATE' 04/21/1999TIME' 01, 21,11

INSURED STATuS; INSURED

lAS::_ORADO PIN' 92-HlO-1384 SSN, 523-88-5520 CDL CLASS,:ENSE NUMBER; 921801384 LICENSE TYPE; ADULT REGULAR lICENStoNT, 5 09 WEIGHT: .L8S ISSUE DATE' 19981.22BfR, BROWN EYES' BROWN EXPIRATION' 20031230lOR, Y SE,>t, MALE BIRTH DATE; 19551230JORSEMENTS: NONEHRICTIONS, CORRECTIVE LENSES ­"VIOLS STATE AND lICENSE,"ULAR LICENSE STATUS; VAL ID1HERCIAL LICENSE STATUS, NOT APPLICABLE,sage sent 4/21/99 1,21

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**" CCle H,FO MAY 8E USED FOR CRIMINAL JUSTlCE PURPOSES OI"LY ,,***u ONLY COLORADO DMV FILES WERE SEARCHED ,. COLORADO PIN" OLN *"'**** CONFIRM WITH COOLNOOOO BEFORE TAKING ENFORCEMENT "'CTION '"**

) _ ANN r NE PERRY',6 ~uclTH NEWLAND ST'1 LETON

STATE OF COLORADOCOLORADO DRIVER RECORD

CO 80123

DATE' 04/21/1999TIME: 01,25,24

INSURED STATUS' INSURED

AS:,ORADO PIN, 95-119-0512ENSE NUMBER: 951190512GMT: 5 11 WEIGHT: 150R: BROWN EYES: BROWN

jOR: Y SEX' FEMALE,ORSEMENTS, NOI-.lE:TRIcnONS:VIOUS STATE AND LICENSE'

,ULAR LICENSE STATUS: VALIDlMERCIAL LICENSE STATUS, NOT,sage sent 4/21/99 l:25

SSN: 000-00--0000 COL CLASS:LICENSE TYPE: ADULT REGULAR LIGENSISSUE DATE' 19950429EXPIRATION: 20000418BIRTH DATE: 19570418

APPLICA8LE

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• PERRY. LYDIE (mother) ,

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FEDERAL BUREAU OF l'IVESTIGATrON

05(05(99

LYDIE JEANINE PERRY, born 04(18($7, residence at 7836South Newland Street, Littleton, Colorado, was advised of theidentity of the interviewing agent and the purpose of theinterview. PERRY was interviewed at her residence and providedthe following information:

PERRY went to bed on 04(19/99, at approximately 2:00 amto 3:00 am that evening. PERRTs son, ROBERT PERRY, was in hisbedroom as she went to bed. ROBERT's bedroom was located in thebasement of their house.

PERRY got up tne next morning, on 04/20/99, atapproximately 11:30 am. PERRY recalled hearing ROBERT and hisgrandmother talking downstairs before she gOt out of bed. atapproximately 10:00 am. By the time she got out of bed and wentdownstairs in the family room to watch television with hermother, ROBERT had gone downstairs to his room to go to bed.

ROBERT worked the night shift at the local SAFEWAY andslept during the day.

At approximately 11:45 am on 04/20/99, PERRY beganseeing che news repOrtS of the COLUMBINE HIGH SCHOOL (CRS)shoocing. She immediately yelled at ROBERT to get cut of bed andhe came-up from his rocm dressed only in a blanket.

PERRY was concerned about che shooting because herdaughter, LYDIE PERRY, attended eRS.

They then called PERRY's husband, JIM PERRY, ac workand advised him of the shooting.

ROBERT then got dressed and wearing his black trenchcoat departed their residence to go check on his sister.

As he traveled home, JIM ran into ROBERT before hereached CHS and drove him back to their house.

As they arrived at the house, PERRY was on the phonewith a freind of LYDIE's, who was among the students being

tnvestigauon (to 05/05/99

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~ SA Mark Holstlaw/man

Date dictated 05/05/99

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gathered at the COLUMBINE LIBRARY (CLl, who advised that LYDIEwas with her and was O.K.

JIM and ROBERT then drove to CL and picked-up LYDIE andreturned home.

JIM advised he and LYDIE talked with ROEERT at 1:15 amon 04/20/99, before taking her to school that morning. At 11:45am, his wife called him at work to advise him of the CHSshooting. JIM left work at 12:00 pm and started driving home.Enroute, he ran into ROBERT walking towards the school and pickedhim up and continued home, arriving at about 12:25 pm. When theyarrived at home, PERRY was on the telephone with a friend ofLYDIE's, who advised she was at the CL waiting to be picked-up.JIM and ROBERT then departed their residence and reunited withLYDIE at approximately 12:30 pm to 12:45 pm. The threeeventually arrived back at their residence at about 1:00 pm. Theentire family then drove to HOBBY LOBBY at approximately 2:00 pmand afterwards, went out to eat.

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PROGRESS REPORTCASE# 99-16215

CASETYPE: Assist to Jefferson CountyDATE TYPED: 04120/99Investigator KevinHeaton

On 04/20/99 at approximately 1900 hrs.. this Investigator was asked to interview a subjectat the Arapahoe County Sheriffs Office, identified as beinga member of the Trench CoatMafia. The subjectwas identified as'

PHILLIPS, CHARLESDOB- 05111179II 771 W Asbury PlaceLakewood, CO80228(3OJ) 988-8235

PHILLIPS advised that he received a call from his mother at approximately 1100 hrsPHILLIPS stated that hisgrandmother lived in the area of Columbine High School andwent to check on her at approximately 1300 hrs PHILLIPS thenwent to a friendsresidence at approximately 1330 hrs.. identified as.

FRIESEN, CORY

PHILLIPS said he watched the news and knew the suspects had to be.

ERIC "Reb"

And

DYLAl\!

When asked how he knew this, PHILLIPS said the news identified the suspects as being inthe TrenchCoat Mafia. ERIC and DYLAN werethe only subjects' part of the group theycould not locate. ERIC and DYLAN .isoattend Columbine High School.

PHILLIPSthen provided names of additional members

FRIESEN, CORY

MORRIS, CHRIS

NICOLE

ERICAnd

DYLAN

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When asked what their group stood for, PHILLIPS said they are not into sports, listen todifferent type ofmusic, and enjoy video games

This Investigator then asked whytheywereconsidered outsiders, PHILLIPS said theydidn't fit into any specific group

This Investigator then asked if the group promoted violence, guns or explosives.pHILLIPS said theydid not. and he had never seenany member in possession of anyweapons

PHILLIPS thenstated that he graduated from Columbine High School in 1997 anddoesn't associate withthe group as much. He last saw ERIC and DYLAN a month ago,when they went bowling.

This Investigatorthen asked if there had beenany recentconflicts. or if the suspects hadtalkedabout committing these crimes PHILLIPS said therehad not been any recentconflicts, nor did anyone talk about committing these crimes as far as he knowsPHILLIPS saidERIC and DYLAN did get picked on a lot however

This Investigator then asked if anyone else in thegroup had provided any information.PHILIPS said NICOLE briefly mentioned incident, statingthat she saw two peoplecomeinto the SChool with guns, but did not identify the suspects.

When asked if this couldbe sexually motivated, due to reports from the media that thesuspects were homosexual, PHILLIPS said hebelieves them to be heterosexual

This Investigator then asked how theycameup with the name "TrenchCoat Mafia"PHILLIPS said theyall wore the trench coatsand a studentasked them, "Do you thinkyou're the TrenchCoat Mafia?" They then adopted the name

ThisInvestigator asked if ERIC or DYLAJ'l ever talkedabout bombs in the past.PHILLIPS said last summer they mentioned dry ice bombs and pipebombs, but he neversaw any

PHILLIPS also stated that theyare into German Techno music, and saw a concerttogether. a coupleyearsago

This Investigator asked if there wasany significance to today's date PHILLIPS said heheard it wasHitler's Birthday.

This Investigator askedPHILLIPS if they practiced Nazi or German beliefs. PHILLIPSsaid; "No,';

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PHll..LIPS finally stated that thegroup is into computers. PHll..LJPS said he has twointernetaddresses:

DES_ENGAL @ AOL.COM (<hlrman for This Angel)PUTERFNORD @ AOL.COM

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ARAPAHOE COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE5686 S. Court Place

Littleton, Colorado 80120-1200

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STATEMENT

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I have read the foregoing stllitement and the facts """rained therein are true to the best of my Knowledge and belief. Ido not maintain that It contains all of the facts or details of the incident, but only those facts about which I have beenasked.

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CONTINUATION o Reporting Agen<;:y Reportin! OffICer- Case Repon No

SUPPLEMENT X JCSO GALLEGOS 99·7625-U

CooTlfCrini Case Report No Victim NameOriginalReport DateThisRtpon

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WITNESS,

CHARLES PHILLIPS JR.(3li3) 988-823.5

INVESTIGATION:

On may 17, 18 and 19, 1999. I left messages for Charles Phillips Jr. to call me back in reference to the shooting at Columbine

High school. On May 20.1999,1 was finally able to talk briefly to CharlesPhillips Jr.. I asked him ifhe had any knowledge

or association to any membersor formermembersof the Trench CoatMafia.Phillips said that he had already been interviewed

by Denver PoliceDetective Jeff Ruetz. phone number 0003-640-1155. Phillipssaid that he was busy and did not have time

to be reinterviewedat that lime.

I wasunable to obtain any additional information from CharlesPhilips Jr., please refer to the interviewconductedby Det. Jeff

Ruetz for any additional information.

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SDPPLEMENT X I JCSO ERZEN 99-7625-HHHH~."""ung C"'" R""," No Vii;tim NameOriginiU Re-pon Date This Report

COLUMBINE 11-03-99i Uasmfi"don X FIRST DEGREE MURDER Ot'ffllst SlatlI.$; ~fl X ElI~ti<lnally '~1'C'd Rea:unl'Mnd Cue: TW<kw

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A!IDIIlONM WITNESS:

PHILLIPS II, CHARLES 0 .. DOB/05-17-79

871 South Arbutus Street

Lakewood, CO 80228

(:\03) 985-9032

Work: 7-Eleven

9200 West Alameda Avenue

Lakewood. CO 80228

Pager: (303) 203-6206

INVESTIGAnON:

11-03-99, I had an opportunity to speak with Chuck Phillips and clarify some information that he had provided in :

interview with Investigator Kevin Heaton of the Arapahoe County Sheriff's Department on 04-20-99, I asked Chuck ifhe

could provide me with additional information in reference to his whereabouts on 04-19-99 and 04-20-99. Chuck

explained that on 04-19-99 that he was working at Video City and his shift ended between 10:15 and 10:45 p.m. After

leaving Video City, Chuck told me that he went home and at the time, he was Jiving at 11771 West Asbury Place in

Lakewood, Colorado. Chuck told me that he remained at this home for the rest of the evening and on 04-29-99, between

the hours of I J:30 a.m, and 12:00 p.m., he received a phone call at his residence. Chuck was awoken by his mother and

told about the shooting incident at Columbine High School. After Chuck spoke with his mom, he explained that he called

his father at about 12:15 p.m, After he ended his conversation with his father, he then went to his grandmother's

residence at about 1:00 p.m, Chuck told me that his grandmother lives in the area of Columbine High School, telling me

that her address is 6885 West Rowland Avenue and his grandmother's name is Charlotte Phillips. Chuck remained at his

grandmother!Js house for about thirty minutes and at about i:30 p.m., he went to Corey Friesen's home, where he

remained and continued to Walch news media reports reference the shootings at the high school. Chuck was asked who

else was at Corey Friesen's residence. He told me that his mend, Chris Moms was there and there were several neighbors

of Corey Friesen. I asked Chuck if he was present then when the Jefferson County Sheriff's Office responded to the

-sen residence and picked up Chris Morris. Chuck told methat he was present when that occurred.

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I COLlMBlNE 11·03·99,- ,-,

X FIRST DEGREE MURDER OffenR Smus: Open £)(~;:lliQfIO\Jly C'1omd Recommtnd CliO:i ,S1tlCi1tltin X Rtvill....

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I confirmedthat Chuckgraduated from Columbine High School in 1997 and I asked him to tell me what his relationship

was with Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold. Chuck explained that his senior year. both Eric and Dylan were sophomores.

He knewboth of them from school and he later workedwith the two of them at Black Jack Pizza. Chuck explainedthat

he bad a Theater Productions class with Dylanand thalls whenhe first cameto knowboth Dylanand Eric. I askedChuck

to describe Eric Hams and Dylan Klebold for me. He told me that they were just ordinary kids and he had no idea that

they were capableof going into the high school and committing the shootings. Chuck Was asked when he last saw Eric

and Dylan. He told me that It was a month prior to the shooting, March 1999, and they had gone bowling at Belleview

Lanes, located at South Federal and Belleview Avenue. Chuckwas asked Ifhe noticedany problemsassociatedwith Eric

or Dylan and if they talkedabout any potential shooting at tbe high school. Chuck stated that he did not see anything out

of the ordinarywhichwouldlead himto believethat the shooting was goingto occur. I asked Chuck if Eric or Dylanever

talked about the Anarchist Cookbookand potential ways to make pipe bombs and Napalm. Chuck told me that is aware

f the Anarchist Cookbook. He luisseen it on the Internet before, but doesn't recall Eric or Dylan ever talking about to­

COOkbook. I askedChuck ifhe bad ever experimented with the making of pipe bombs or Napalm. He told me that he h".

never experimented in making any of those devices. Chuck was asked if Eric of Dylan ever spoke about any type of

weaponsor if he badany knowledge or if he participated in any weapons training or shootingwith Eric or Dylan. Chuck

told me that be bad never seen Eric or Dylan with any weapons and he had never participated in any shooting. Chuck

explained that he is not an advocateof beinga gun owner and explained the only weapon that he has ever shot was a BB

gun.

Prior to concluding this interview., I askedChuck if he badany additional information to pass on referenceEric Harrisor

Dylan. He toldme that he has no further information.

ADDITIONAL INFORl\1ATION, F.B.I.CASE NUMBER 4·DN-57419.

DISPOSITION; Case open, pendingfurther investigation

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Rusch, Jessica Ann. dobl02·12·83WIF 5'04" 130 BLN/BLU5888 West FairDriveLittleton, Colorado 80123(303)730.2868

Rusch, Gary A., dobI07·15-57 WIMsame address as aboveWork; 13426 West Center Drive

Lakewood. Cciorado 80228(303)986-4371

Rusch. Cindy A•• dobl05-21l-57 WIFsame adcress as above

.ork; sameas above

Deputy Steve LucianolCSO l (303)271-5665

Student at Columbine HighSchool

INY£STIGATION

On04-21·99, between thehours of 0004 and003.5, DeputySteve Luciano and myselfconducted an interview with Jesstca Ru.scn

at her residence located 5888 West FairDrive. Littleton, Colorado, inreference to the Columbine High School incident. JCSO

had obtained information from Jessica's boyfriend. Patrick McDuWee, doblOS·30·SI, thatshe identified one of the gunmen at

theColumbine HighSchool as beingan individual known as__

Jessie. Rusch provided us with the following information concerning the incident at Columbine High School and whatshe

observed the day of 04--20-99. Jessica statedshe Was in the Science room for5th period, and tbat the Science roomis located

onthe second level of Columbine High School. Sthperiod starts at 11:15 a.m., and endsat 12:05 p.m.. Jessicastatedshortly

afterclassbad started, she hearda loudexplosion intheschool, and initially thought it wassome type of a Seniorprank. Shortly

afterthe loudexplosion, shehearda seriesofgunfire, accompanied by a lot ofscreaming and yellingfrom otherstudents from

'hin theschool, After determining that therewas a problem at theschool. thestudents locked the Science roomdoorfrom the

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inside. JessicaStaled sne was huddled with her lhend, JenniferSmail,and alone pomt they observed an individual at the door

to the Science room. and this party was carrying a large weapon.

I askedJessica to give me the details about the subject she observed near the Scienceroom who was carrying the weapon. She

SlllIed the individual was abouI6'OO" tail. skinny. and she describedhis mannerof dress being in all black. telling me that the

pony hada blackbaseball cap on thatwas on backwards. Shesaidhehad a blackfacemask. blackjeans. and a blacktrenchcoal

Jessicasaid underthe baseball cap.she could see the individual'shair.anddescribed it as being brown in color. curly. and about

collar length. Shestatedshe did notknow the age of the individual. 1askedJessica if she could identify that personand tell me

the individual' 5 name, She told me she could nOI. bot she had a conversation with her boyfriend, Patrick McDuffee. after the

incident. She described the individual thatshe saw at the Science room door, and they came to the conclusionthai itwas.

_because McDuffee knew he was associated with [he gang knownas the Trench Coat Mafia.

askedJessica if she could tell me howmany times she has eitherseenor spokenwith'"She said she has seen him

around school probably three or four times. and that it would have been lastyear. I again asked Jessica how she came to the

conclusion that the individual she saw at the Science room door was _ She stated her boyfriend, McDuffee. is

associateswith members of the TrenchCoat Malia. I askedher howdose of an association her boyfriend has with this group.

SheSlated she doesn't know. buthe knewOt knows quite a fewof the members of the group. She then reiterated that after she

described the gunmanshe observed in Columbine High School that it was PatrickMcDuffee that said it sounded like~•••"

_from the description thai she gave.

Jessicastatedthe individual she observedin all black, whowascarryingthe longgun, was unable to get into the Scienceroom.

and walkedaway from the door. Jessica staled after the pony with the gundisappeared fromthe window, that a teacher known

as Mr. Sanders enteredinto the classroom froman adjoining classroom. andthat he had beenshot in the hackarea. Jessicastaled

students then renderedaid to Mr. Sanders. Jessica told me that theyremained locked in the Science room anywhere from three

to four hours before they were removed by SWAT Teams.

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After Jessica provided her initial statement. I then asked her to try and give me a description of the long gun that 'he saw the

suspect carrying. She stated she could not tell me what the gun, as far as the brand or caliber was. she just knew it was a long

gun. Jessica did say that her friend, Jennifer Small, told her it was a sawed off shotgun.

Jessica was asked if sheknew of any other individuals who belong to the Trench CoatMafia other than the suspects that were

initially at the school. She stated the only other person she knows involved in this group is a Joe Stair. and she relayed the

information that afier she was taken from Columbine High School, that she remembers seeing Stair north of the school near

Clement Park at the soccer fields, and that Stair was talkingwitha law enforcementofficer. She described Stair as being in a

Columbine Rebelsgym shirt and biuejeans. and she described his longblondish hair. Jessicasaid 'he saw himas she was bemg

taken to Leawood Elementary. I again asked Jessica if she knew what her boyfriend, McDuffee·s. relationshipwas with the

•Trench Coat Mafia. Again. she told me he knows several members of the group, but she did not know the relationship. and as

-,< as she knows he is not a member of the group.

At the conclusion of our interviewwith Jessica, I providedher witha business card and asked that she contact me ifshe has any

additional iuformation to provide.

DlsrosmQN: Open. pending further investigation.

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FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION

Date: of ttanseripfic n 4/23/99

Brian Benjinmin Sergeant, date of birth May 27, 1980,place of birth, Mandan, North Dakota, Social Security AccountNumber 502-94-4944, Colorado Drivers License 96-102-0843, of 7496South Pierce Court, Littleton, Colorado, 80128, home telephonenumber (303) 979-4225, was interviewed. After being advised ofthe nature of the interview and the identities of theinterviewing agents, he provided the following information:

Frank Vanachek, Special Agent, Colorado Bureau ofInvestigation t was present during the interview.

Sergeant is a junior at Columbine High School (CHS) ,located in Littleton, Colorado.

Sergeant was shown a photograph from the Denver Post,dated April 22, 1999. Sergeant advised that the photograph wastaken in mid-June, 1998, at the residence of Kirsten Thiebault.

Sergeant identified the following individuals in thephotograph, commonly ~,own at CHS as the Trench Coat Mafia. Theterm TCM was given to the group as a derogtatory nickname. ChrisMarris purchase a black trench coat twa years ago and the rest ofthe group began wearing them to school. Sergeant bought hisblack trench coat from Morris but hasrrt worn it recently.(Orginial photograph will be placed in a 1-A envelope and a copyis attached to the FD-302l :

1. Josh Barnes

Sergeant has known Barnes for approximately e to 9years and contacted Barnes 6 months ago. Barnes graduated fromHertiage High School in 1998.

2. Joe Stair

Sergeant has known Stair for apprOXimately 3 years,having contacted Stair approximately 2 months ago. Stairgraduated from CHS in 1998 and is working at the Arby's inSouthwest Plaza Mall. Amanda Stair, sister of Joe Stair, attendsCHS.

4/23/99

by SA William J. PetoskeyJC- 001-010883

This ~ment -contai.ns neither reeomm,ndation$ JiOr l:o~!u,ilJns of d;l; FBr It is m~ propertyof the FBl and is !CJ;f1ttu IU l".... "lIl;~"~, ,

it &nd its -C'Ql'ltel1t1 an: OOtto be distributed outs4!,youragency

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3. Chris Morris

Sergeant has known Morris for approximately 4years ..Morris contacted Sergeant on April 23, 1999 regarding theshooting at CHS. Morris is a senior at CHS and likes Duarcraft,which is a role playing game like Dungeons and Dragons.

4. Pauline Colby

Sergeant has known Colby for approximately 1 year,but hasn't been in contact with Sergeant since July, 1998. Colbyis a junior at CHS and hasn't spent much time with the groupphotographed in the picture during the 1998-1999 school year.

S. Nicole Markhim

Sergeant has known Markhim for approximately 3years. Markhim is a junior at CHS and is dating Morris.

6. Horst Last Name Unknown (LNUJ

Sergeant met Horst LNU 8 or 9 months ago and was incontact with Horst LNU 4 Or S months ago .. Horst LNU is a friendof Barnes. Horst LNU is a senior or has graduated from HertiageHigh School.

7. Chuck LNU

Sergeant has known Chuck LNU for 1 1(2 years andcontacted Chuck LNU on April 22, 1999, at the Arapahoe CountySheriff's Office while giving statements. Chuck LNU graduatedfrom eRS in 1996 and is a friend of Morris.

8. Kirsten Thiebault

Sergeant has known Thiebault for 2 years andThiebault Js a junioJ: at CHS.

9. Erin Adams

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Sergeant has known Adams for approximately 2 yearsand Adams is a junior at CHS.

10. Kirsta Hanley

Sergeant has known Hanley for approximately 1 1/2years and Hanley is a junior at CHS. Hanley is a friend ofMarkhim and is dating Eric Jackson, a senior at cas.

Sergeant advised that the following individualsassociate with the TCM:

Nate Dykeman

Dykeman is a good friend of Chris Morris and asenior at CHS. Dykeman usually ate lunch with Eric Harris andDylan Klebold. Dykeman, Harris and Klebold all wore black trenchcoats in in September, 1998. Dykeman drives a white Ford truckwith a 4" lift kit.

Eric Jackson

Jackson is a good friend of Morris and drives awhite chevrolet Blazer with a blue trim.

Nicole Dickey

Dickey is a freshman at CHS, transferring fromColorado Finest, an alternative high schOOl.

Thaddeus Boles

Boles is a good friend of Morris and works at EchoStar Communications. Boles dropped out of CHS in the fall, 1998and is working on his Graduate Equalivancy Degree (GED). Boleshas a home telephone number of (303) 973-9159.

During the 1997-1998 school year, Sergeant did not likeathletes due to the athletes making fun of him and hisassociates.

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During the summer, 1998, Sergeant only saw friends thatwere in the photograph on a limited basis due to schedulingconflicts,

In the fall, 1998, Sergeant did not talk to Eric Harrisor Dylan Klebold, only to greet each other while passing in thehall. Sergeant made friends with some athletes at CHS and didnot have the anmonisity against the athletes like Harris andKlebold. Dykeman was seen during the school day spending alot oftime with Harris and Klebold, wearing a black trench coat.Sergeant had a video productions class with Dykeman in the fall,1998 and a bowling class with Dykeman in the spring, 1998,

On Monday, April 19, 1999, Sergeant observes Dykeman,Harris and Klebold leave the commons area of CHS at apprxoirnately11,10 AM. CHS has an open campus sO students can leave campusand have lunch, Sergeant left campus and had lunch with Dickey,Kirsta Winer, John Paul Zerger and Frank zerger. Sergeantreturned to campus at apprxoimately 12:35 PM because he has no5th hour class. Upon returning to CHS, Sergeant picked up Dickeyand drove her to her residence. Sergeant then drove to hisresidence and spent the afternoon at home, due to an illness.Dickey called Sergeant that evening to discuss personal matters.

On Tuesday, April 20, 1999, at 6:30 AM, Sergeant pickedup Dickey and drove to John Paul Zerger and Frank Zerger'sresidence, arriving at approximately 7:10 AM. Sergeant, Dickeyand the Zerger's drove to CHS, arriving at approximately 7:30 AM.Sergeant did not recall seeing Harris's red Honda Civic orKlebold's black Volkswagen.

Sergeant was in the ACE Reom, an alternative Englishclass from 7:40 AM to 8:20 AM, and then went to a drawing classuntil 9:20 AM,

At approximately 9:25 AM, Sergeant walked to the mathroom and talked to Dickey and Zerger. At 9:30 AM to 10:15 AM,Sergeant was in Relationships and Family class, After class,Sergeant went near the choir room with Dickey. At 10:20 AM,Sergeant went to his Government/Economics class to study for atest until 11:10 AM.

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Sergeant and Frank Zerger left the school building anddrove to the north side of the school to pick-up Dickey. Thegroup were going to Burger K~ng for lunch. After lunch, Sergeantdrove to the Cooper ? theatre, across Clement Park from theschool to smoke a cigarette. A short time later, Sergeant heardsirens and Dickey received a numeric message on her pager.Dickey called home and was advised by her mother of a shooting atCHS.

Sergeant, Dickey and Zerger drove in the direction ofthe scheol. Three friends of Dickey were walking down thesidewalk and advised sergeant of the shooting at CHS. Dickeyasked about Sara LNU, a friend. Sergeant, Dickey and Zergerdrove to Sara uVU's residence and talked to Sara LmYs mother.Dickey then received a numeric message on her pager from NickLNU.

Sergeant and the group went to Frank LNU's residence,where Sergeant met Kirsta LNU's ex-boyfriend. While at Frank~~s residence, Dickey got into Frank LNU's car and Sergeantfollowing Frank LNU and Dickey to Boles's work place. sergeantwent to his home late Tuesday afternoon.

At apprxomately 7:00 PM, Tuesday evening, Sergeant wentto the Arapaho COlli~ty Police Substation to give a statement.While at the substation. Sergeant recognized Chuck LNU, CoreyFreisen, Markman, Morris and Sheri Markman.

Sergeant does not recall Harris or Kelbold speakingGerman exoept for German lyrics from the music group, Ramstien.

Sergeant does not recall Harris or Klebold havingknowledge of explosives or bombs. sergeant is familiar with theAnarchist Cookbook, a book containing recipes for explosives andscams.

Sergeant didthrough the internet.Morris and knew Morris

not communicate with Harris or KleboldHe did receive an occasional message fromhad a web page.

Sergeant advised that Robyn LNU, a close friend ofHarris and Klebold, may have additional knowledge. Robyn LNU isa senior at CHS.

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Denver Poliee DepartmentSTATllHSN'I'

NAME (LAST,FIRST,MIDDLE INITIAL)Rogers, Nick:

MAKING STATEMENT ISX Officer Witness

Person adviSed

RESIDENCE STREET ADDRESS2100 S. Clay St.

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Columbine High Schoel

LOCATION WHERE STATEMENT T~~ 2100 S. Clay St.

On 04/20/99 at approximately 1130 ~rs. myself and Detective d. Wykoffresponded to Columbine High Schco: en shccs fi=ed. Upon a~iva: wewere directed to begin a search of the surrounding area of the highschool for any possible ehp:osi7es, A=ter a search of the areal I wasthen directed to respond to a library west of the scene, to debriefwitnesses as they came oue of the sc~ool.

I began interviews of kids that had come out of the scbcol, and duringthe interv-iews, was directed to a young man who was identified as anex-member of the t=ench coat mafia. I began to intarview thisparty{strai~)~ During the ince~,~ew he related that he was no lcngera member of this group but, did give me an idea of, the g:::oupsmentalit:y. He wane on to relate e.b.at the aC':ive members/ were known tohim as Christopher, and Robert both seniors. I was then to:d that theseparties have extensive know:edge in military tactics, as well as intrip wires, and pipe bombs. I immediately contacted the command postand related chis i~formaeicn. I t~en ccntac~ed cha Jefferson Cc~~ty

Investigators who took: this party to be interviewed else where.

I then began to coordinate with the other investigators, relaying anyintelliqence i:l.formacion to t~e command center! that was obcai.:led frominterviews. (

:)OSer k. S"J"<:.,..,r)I have read the foregoing atal:ement and the facts contained therein are

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DENVER POLICE DEPARTMENTNARCOTICS UNIT

Jeffeo Case 1199·7625

REPORTED BY: Detective Marcus L. Fountain, 91036

DATE OF REPORT: May 13, 1999

TYPE OF REPORT: Interview of Joseph Stair

Oil May 12, 1999, at approximately 1200 hrs., Denver Police Detectives Marcus L.Fountain, badge It 91036 and Joel Bell, badge It 91009, interviewed Joseph Stair DOB061381l. The interview took place at 7097 W. Frost Place, Littleton, Colorado. Stair'sgirlfriend, Laura Bryan, was present part of the time.

During the interview, Stair related the following information:

Stair stated that on April 20, 1999, he wok. "p at approximately 100 hrs. Stair ate, thenplayed video games at home. At approximately 1200 hrs., his sister, Amanda Stair, calledhome and spoke to his mother and that this is wben he first heard of the shootings atColumbine. Stair watched the news for an hour or so, then he and his mother responded tothe library near Columbine High School to pick up Amanda. Stair was briefly interviewedby a police oMcer at the library. That off',.er took Stair to the command post, where Stairspent another 10-15 minutes being interviewed. Amanda went home with her mother whileStair was being interviewed. After the interview, Stair was driven home by a pollee officer.By the time Stair arrived at his home, it was approximately 1530. Stair reported to work at1600hI'S. (Arby's at Littleton Blvd. and Broadway)

As far as the trench coat mafia is concerned, Stair stated that he is one of the founders.Stair stated that he, along with Chris Morris, John Beachem, Eric Dentrau, and CoryFriezen, started the group around 1994 or 1995. Stair stated that they all shared the sameinterest in movies, video games, and bowling. Stair stated that he met Eric Harris andDylan Clebold through Chris Morris approximately two years ago. Stair added that hehung out with Harris and Clehoid only occasionally and didn't know them very welloutside of school. Though Stair stated that he liked video games, and has played Doom, healso stated that he had not played any video games with Harris and Clebold.

Stair stated that he played Doom at his grandfather's house. When Stair was asked to givedetectives his grandfather's address and telephone number, Stair stated that he didn'tknow either. Stair stated that he only knew his grandfather's first name, which is "Fred".

Stair has a computer, which he stated was built by Erie Jackson in June of1998 for Stair'Sbirthday. Stair stated that he had never communicated with Harris or Clebold viacomputer, though they had mentioned to him that they had a web slgbt. Stair stated that hewasn't interested ill Harris and Clebold's web sight. Stair stated that he talks on-line toBrian Sargent, John Beachem and Tad Bois occasionally. Stair signed a consent for hiscomputer to be searched and provided his password, which is "NAT ASHA" and his screenname, which is "DERNOCK".

Stair stated that the last time he saw Harris and Clebold was around December of 1998around Columbine High School. Stair stated that they were in Clebotd's BMW. He talkedwith them and smoked a few cigarettes for a while, then left the area. Stair stated that hehas not had any contact with either of the two since then.

Stair stated that he has no guns and doesn't like them. Stair stated that when he was asophomore in high school, he developed an interest in bombs. Stair cheeked out a bookfrom a library and read up on how to make bombs. This book taugbt Stair about napalmB, field to air explosives and melctev coektails, Stair stated that he was no longerinterested in bombs.

Stair stated that he pays his mother $200.00 per month rent for living In the house andoccupying the northeast basement bedroom. Stair signed a eenseat for Detectives Fountainand Bell to search his bedroom. While searching the bedroom, detectives noticednewspaper articles about a previous murder suicide involving a former Columbine studentkilling his stepfather and then killing himself. These articles were on the dresser mirror.Deteetives also found a newspaper article about Hitler. Detectives found what appeared tohe a gun rack inside of the wall behind the door to the bedroom. There were no guns in it.Joe Stair stated that it must have been built by the previous homeowners. Detectives alsofound a notepad that had what appeared to possibly be the beginning ofplans for a truckheist, which included a short U,t ofum... Stair stated that it was probably written byNathan Guest, who lived with the Stain from approximately February to May of 1996.Detectives also found a blue folder wbich contained miscellaneous pllpers and a photo ofStair and Eric Deutrau. Detectives noticed a dark colored trench coat hanging on thecloset door. Detective Fountain asked Stair if the detectives could take the trench coat, theblue folder, the Hitler article and the notepad. Stair agreed. Detective Flnlntain made itclear to Stair that various tests may be performed on the eoat, These items were placedinto evidence at the Jefferson County Sheriffs'Department.

Detective BeD came across a 1998 Columbine High School year-book. In the book,Detective Bell found several written messages from various students. One message inparticular read, "Chico' Groove", lind then directly under it, "Yo Joe•.•Stay different,better tban the norm! Jocks suck dick. rCM!! Later <<.VODKA-»"

Stair also agreed to take a polygraph and gave detectives his work schedule for the comingweek.

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CONFIDENTIAl.

mBJECT JOSEPH STAIR

PREDfCUIO:.'1

99-030

CONFIDENTIAl

Forensicpolygraph psycho-physiological diagnostic techniques were used to determinewhetherthesubject was being truthful or deceptive.

PROCEDFBF

The subject was examined on May 14, 1999 at approximately 1357 hours. Standard polygraphtechniques were utilized for this evaluation. Prior to the administration of the examination, thesubject read and signed the •Arvada PoliceDepartment standardpolygraphrelease. The subject wasadvisedofhis rights per Mirandaat lJ58 hours. Subsequentto the advisement. the subject waivedhis rights and agreed to speak with this examiner.

A pretest interviewwas conducted during which time the subject stated his purpose for taking thispolygraph examination was because he was asked if he wanted to come and do this. The subjectfurther stated that he wasn't involved in this and had nothing to hide regarding the murders atColumbine High School.

In discussingthe issues surrounding the murders at ColumbineHigh School, the subject stated thatthe Trench Coat Mafia was first started by a group of his friends and himself with the originalmembers being Cory Friesen, Eric Dutro,John Beachem andhimself. The subjectstatedthat whenthis groupwas initially formed, he did not have a black trenchcoat but did get one as time went on.The subject described the Trench Coat Mafia as a "support group" for the members against otherstudents at school. The subject further stated that this organization was developed during hissophomore year.

The subject stated that he was a senior at Columbine High School when he initially met Eric Harrisand Dylan Klebold. The subject stated that he sort of became friends with Dylan Klebold but thatKleboldwas never a memberofthe TrenchCoatMafia. The subjectstatedthatDylanKleboldreallyneverhung aroundwith the primary members of theTrenchCoat Mafiabut mostlyhungaroundwithChris Morris.

The subject stated that he first met Eric Harrisduring his senior year a short time after he initiallymet DylanKlebold. The subject stated that he met Eric Harris, who was in the company of DylanKleboldat that time. The subject stated that EricHarris was also not a member ofthe Trench CoatMafiaand in fact hung out less with the members of the TrenchCoatMafia than whatDylanKlebolddid. The subject further stated that he did not get to know either one of them very well but wouldsee Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold at lunchtime. The subject stated that he never got to be goodfriends with either one of them and that he never socialized with them outside the school.

The subject stated that the last time he saw EricHarris and Dylan Klebold was six or seven monthsago. The subjectstated that they were together andparked in Dylan Klebolds car near ColumbineHigh School. The subject stated that he was walking to work during that time and observed themparked on the street along with Chris Morris in the car, The subjectstated that he hopr edin the carduring which time they listened to the stereoand caughtupon old times. The subject further stated

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thathe nevercommunicatedwitheitherEric Harris or DylanKleboldby telephone Or computer. Thesubject further added that he had no close tieswith either Eric Harrisor Dylan Klebold,

The subjectstated that Eric Harrisand Dylan Kleboldnever talked to him about doinganything likethey did at Columbine High School. The subjectstated that they would say something like, "I'mgoing to get back at that guy," or "I'm goingto kill him," but that this was always said in a jokingmanner. The subject furtherstatedthat theywould also say things such as they were going to burnthe school to the ground or blow itup but according to the subject,half the students said somethinglike this, with it also being said in a jolti".!! manner. The subject further stated that no one everseriouslysaid anything about shooting srudenrs like they did on April 20"'.

The subjectstated that he was "completelyshocked"when they did this on April 20"- The subjectfurtheradded that his sister was in the library when this thing began and that he is glad that she isokay.

The subject stated that on April 20, 1999,he was home in the morning and got up at around 1100hours. at which time he played videogamesuntilhis sister telephoned home. The subjectstatedthathis sister then advised him and other family members ofwhat was taking place at Columbine HighSchoolregardingthis incident. The subjectstatedthathis sistertelephoned their homebetween1130hoursand 1200 hours and informedthem at that timeof the armed attacktiling placeat ColumbineHigh Scncot, The subject stated that his mother and he watched the eventon TV for the next hourwith him adding that his motherwas in no conditionto drive because of this event upsetting her somuch. The subject stated that he had no idea who could be doing this while he was watching theevent on TV even though they mentioned the fact that members of the Trench Ccar Mafia werepossiblyinvolvedin this incident. The subject further stated that he was completelyshockedwhenhe learned that the primary suspects in this incident were Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold, Thesubjectstated that neitner Eric Harrisor Dylan Kleboldever talked aboutguns or makingbombs orexplosive deviceswith him. The subjectstatedthathe personally learned howto makea bomb fromseveral books that he obtained at the librarybut that he personally never made one. The subjectfurther admitted that he has never fired or even held a gun in his life. The subject also added thathe neverwent with anyone who even practicedshooting guns.

The subjectstated that the last time thathe wason Columbine High Schoolpropertywastwo monthsago and that the last time he was in the school building was approximately nine months ago. Thesubject furtheradded that he does not knowwho could have helped Eric Harris and Dylan Kleboldplan out this incident that took place at ColumbineHigh School.

There were no further statements made by this subject during the pretestportion of the interviewThe subject was then examined with an Axciton computerized polygraph system which isperiodically calibrated to insure its accuracy and reliability. The instrument was correctly calibratedand in properworking conditionwhen this examination was conducted. Fourpolygraph charts wereadministered on the subjects.

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.ESITITS

Polygramstwo, three and fourcontained following relevantquestions:

4. Regarding Columbine High School,did you personallyparticipate in planning that armedattack?

Answer: "No."

6. On April 20, 1999, did you know for sure that an armed attack would occur at ColumbineHigh School?Answer: ~O."

8. Regarding Columbine High School. didyou knowingly provide any of the weapons used inthat armed attack?Answer: "No."

The subject'S psycho-physiological responses to the foregoing relevant questions wereindicativeof him answering the questions truthfully.

DIAGNOSTIC OPINION

After carefulanalysisof'this subject's polygrams, it is theopinionof the examiner that thesubjecthas told substantially the truth.

~L,JL..., ./J~;(VOl1d ohe, Examiner

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KRISTINE Tr~IBAULT was interviewed over the telephoneon 04/28/1999, by INVESTIGATOR DONALD ESTEP IDNJTTF-DT.TrlEIBAULT provided the following informacion:

THIBBAULT was asked if she saw ROBERT FERRY on04/20/1999, she stated she did. THEIBAULT explained after theinformation about the activities occurring at COLUMBINE HIGHSCHOOL were being broad cast by the media she went to ROBERTPERRY's home where she made contact with him. THIEBAULT advisedshe did not see ROBERT FERRY at FAM SILVA's horne that day.

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FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION

Dale of tniuscrlpoon 04/28/1999

Information provided to FBI Denver from a confidentialsource indicated that source was conversing with two individuals onthe internet who call themselves _and _from Littleton,Colorado. During chat, ~ra~about~ingto make thebombs used at Columbine Jl'~Chool and __bragged about helpingplace the bombs. ~rovided a phone~er of

~eCkS of internet resource

number as belonging toIIIIIIP ltt eon, olorado 80123. Apr~ntout is attached to this FD-302.

Checks of the CRS student list show _ to be ajunior at CRS.

04/25/1999

R~I 174A-PN-574J9

SA Matthew R. Hellman~

(telephonically)

l)a.. dictl... ai/Lsi] 999

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