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DETROIT BOARD OF POLICE COMMISSIONERS
COMMUNITY MEETING
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Taken at Galilee Missionary Baptist Church
5251 East Outer Drive
Detroit, Michigan,
Commencing at 6:30 p.m.,
Thursday, April 9, 2015,
Before Wendy A. Boer, CSR 3505.
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1 COMMISSIONERS:
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4 MR. WILLIE BELL, CHAIRPERSON
5 MS. LISA CARTER, COMMISSIONER
6 MS. JESSICA TAYLOR, COMMISSIONER
7 MR. REGINALD CRAWFORD, COMMISSIONER
8 MR. RICARDO R. MOORE, COMMISSIONER
9 MR. WILLIE BURTON, COMMISSIONER
10 MR. RICHARD SHELBY, COMMISSIONER
11 BISHOP EDGAR VANN, COMMISSIONER
12 MR. CONRAD MALLETT, COMMISSIONER
13 MS. EVA GARZA DEWAELSCHE, COMMISSIONER
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18 REPRESENTING THE OFFICE OF THE CHIEF OF POLICE:
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20 ASSISTANT CHIEF STEVE DOLUNT
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1 Detroit, Michigan
2 Thursday, April 9, 2015
3 About 6:30 p.m.
4
5 CHAIRPERSON BELL: Good evening. Welcome to
6 the monthly meeting of the Board of Police Commission.
7 I am your chair, Willie Bell, from District 4, and I
8 call the Board to order at this particular time. It's
9 good to see all your smiling faces here at Galilee
10 Missionary Baptist Church. The pastor has not arrived
11 as of yet. Perhaps she would be forthcoming. But I'm
12 going to ask Chaplain Avis Taylor to come forward.
13 CHAPLAIN TAYLOR: Good evening everyone. Let
14 us bow. For those who wish, let us pray.
15 Father, we certainly are grateful for your
16 presence in this place. We thank you that we are
17 meeting on purpose, God, to make a difference, not only
18 in the city but in the lives of people. We ask that you
19 make us effective leaders and responsible followers.
20 Bless anyone that needs any need right now.
21 In the name of Jesus, we ask that you would go forth in
22 us as we meet. In the name of Jesus, may everyone say
23 amen.
24 CHAIRPERSON BELL: Thank you, Chaplain Taylor.
25 Once again, it is my pleasure to chair this meeting
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1 tonight. I'm going to follow our community format, and
2 I'm going to ask the commissioner to introduce
3 themselves and any other brief remarks they might want
4 to make starting to my left, my far left.
5 COMMISSIONER SHELBY: My name is Richard
6 Shelby, police commissioner, District 1.
7 COMMISSIONER VANN: I'm Bishop Edgar Vann,
8 police commissioner, District 2.
9 COMMISSIONER CRAWFORD: I'm police
10 commissioner Reginald Crawford, commissioner of District
11 3. That's this particular district that we are in, and
12 I welcome everyone to this commission meeting in the
13 community.
14 CHAIRPERSON BELL: To my immediate right is my
15 vice chair, Lisa Carter. And she can come forward to
16 introduce herself.
17 COMMISSIONER CARTER: Good evening, everyone.
18 My name is Lisa Carter, and I represent District 6,
19 southwest Detroit. Thank you.
20 COMMISSIONER MOORE: Good evening. Police
21 commissioner Ricardo Moore, District 7, which
22 encompasses the 2nd, 6th and 10th Precincts.
23 MS. DEWAELSCHE: Good evening. I'm Eva Garza
24 Dewaelsche, police commissioner and so pleased to be in
25 this beautiful facility.
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1 COMMISSIONER MALLETT: I am Conrad Mallett,
2 chief administrative officer, Detroit Medical Center,
3 member of the Board of Police Commissioners, appointed
4 by Mayor Duggan.
5 CHAIRPERSON BELL: And to my immediate left is
6 the immediate past chair. You are?
7 COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Jessica Taylor, and I am
8 at large.
9 CHAIRPERSON BELL: Thank you. And to my far
10 left sitting in for the chief, Chief James Craig, is
11 Assistant Chief -- one of my favorite assistant chiefs,
12 Assistant Chief Steve Dolunt. And he can introduce
13 himself also.
14 ASSISTANT CHIEF DOLUNT: Hi. I'm Assistant
15 Chief Dolunt. Your chief is at the west side meeting
16 that the mayor is having with all his community heads.
17 I'm sitting in for the Chief.
18 CHAIRPERSON BELL: And I'm going to ask our
19 attorney for the Board, Linda Bernard, to introduce the
20 rest of the staff. I want to indicate that George
21 Anthony, secretary to the Board, is absent tonight for
22 training. So, Ms. Bernard?
23 MS. BERNARD: Mr. Chairman, just sitting to
24 your immediate right, the first seat right there is
25 Ms. Pamela Davis-Drake. She is the chief investigator
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1 for the Board of Police Commissioners. And myself, I am
2 Linda Bernard. It's a pleasure to be here this evening
3 in this wonderful chapel.
4 CHAIRPERSON BELL: Thank you. Once again, we
5 are happy to be here at Galilee Missionary Baptist
6 Church. And we thank you in advance for your great
7 hospitality and for your attendance tonight. I sort of
8 peeked into the fellowship hall. There's going to be
9 more fellowship after the meeting.
10 And we are so kind, is anyone here that would
11 like to come forward from Galilee Missionary Baptist
12 Church to share some brief remarks in terms of
13 hospitality tonight? Any members here tonight? Yes,
14 sir? Thank you. Take the mic, please, and give your
15 name, please. Thank you.
16 REVEREND HAMILTON: My name is Willie
17 Hamilton, associate minister here. Truly glad to have
18 all of you here tonight and also have a special meeting.
19 And I'm glad to have you here to inform us of lot of
20 things. But for our service here, we are glad to have
21 you any time. We have an 8:00 service, 11:00 service at
22 our church. Everybody knows it's here. The doors is
23 always open to everyone to come and just have a good
24 time.
25 CHAIRPERSON BELL: And the senior pastor?
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1 REVEREND HAMILTON: Senior pastor is Tellis J.
2 Chapman. He's our senior pastor.
3 CHAIRPERSON BELL: And his home state?
4 REVEREND HAMILTON: Mississippi.
5 CHAIRPERSON BELL: It's good that you brought
6 the greeting. Thank you, sir. We love you too.
7 CHAIRPERSON BELL: Ms. Bernard?
8 MS. BERNARD: Mr. Chairman, previously I
9 omitted to introduce Wendy Boer, the court reporter,
10 from Hanson Court Reporting, Sergeant Alan Quinn and
11 Robert Brown, are also recording for this meeting:
12 CHAIRPERSON BELL: Thank you, Ms. Bernard.
13 MS. BERNARD: Thank you.
14 CHAIRPERSON BELL: Commissioners, for
15 tonight's meeting you have an agenda for the meeting.
16 And what is your pleasure in reference to a motion to
17 that effect?
18 COMMISSIONER VANN: Move for adoption,
19 Mr. Chair.
20 COMMISSIONER MOORE: Second.
21 CHAIRPERSON BELL: It's been properly moved
22 and second. Ready for the question? All those in
23 favor?
24 COMMISSIONERS: Aye.
25 CHAIRPERSON BELL: Those opposed? Motion
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1 carried. Commissioner, you have the April 2nd meeting
2 minutes. What is your pleasure in reference to a motion
3 to that effect approving the minutes?
4 COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: So moved.
5 COMMISSIONER VANN: Supported.
6 CHAIRPERSON BELL: It's been properly moved
7 and second. Ready for the question? Those in favor?
8 COMMISSIONERS: Aye.
9 CHAIRPERSON BELL: Those opposed? Motion
10 carries. The next item of business would be officers
11 report and that would be your Chair.
12 Hopefully all you should have received a copy
13 of the duties and responsibility of the Board of Police
14 Commissioners. If you do not have a copy, raise your
15 hand. I'll make sure you get a copy at this time.
16 Could you circulate these copies, please?
17 I just want to share briefly that the Charter
18 has been circulated. We normally address the Charter.
19 But I think it's important at this particular time that
20 we speak to the reality of the Board of Police
21 Commission based on Emergency Order 42. That is what we
22 are under at this particular time, as of I think
23 November of last year.
24 In reference to, you know, the mayor was
25 completely reinstated to his full duty and
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1 responsibility, council and the city clerk. But that
2 was not the case with the Board of Police Commission.
3 And I just want to share briefly with you, this is
4 Emergency Order 42. And you can always look this up on
5 line. Everything is pretty much on line in this day and
6 age.
7 But notwithstanding, anything to the contrary
8 to Emergency Order Number 11, the following powers of
9 the Board of Police Commissioner should be reinstated
10 immediately. A, the power to consult the chief of
11 police and with approval of the mayor establish
12 policies, rules and regulation. B, the power to review
13 the department budget prior to its submission to the
14 mayor and to make recommendation to the mayor regarding
15 such budget. C, the power to receive and investigate,
16 including the power to Subpoena witness, administrative
17 oaths, take testimony, required production of evidence
18 and to apply to the appropriate court for enforcement of
19 same and to continue his current investigative staff and
20 level for this purpose and recommend resolution of the
21 complaints to the mayor concerning operation of the
22 police department.
23 D, the power to forward all allegations of
24 criminality to the appropriate internal or external law
25 enforcement agency for further investigation. And E,
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1 the power to make an annual report to the mayor, the
2 council and the public for the handling of such
3 complaint.
4 All other powers granted to the chief of
5 police by Order Number 11, which is Emergency Order
6 Number 11, should continue. And the mayor should have
7 authority to negotiate and execute a contract among
8 other things extend the current chief of police service
9 to the city.
10 I just want to make sure that you understand
11 the issue in terms of the Charter, mandate and what we
12 are under. You're going to hear more about that as we
13 go forward with the speakers tonight. But I think that
14 clarity would help you in terms of what we are trying to
15 get reinstated. That should take place hopefully in
16 December of this year, one year from the emergency
17 order.
18 And we have received support from the council
19 president, Brenda Jones, a sign that she would be voting
20 in favor of being reinstated. Also, Councilman Maurice
21 Sheffield has stated publicly in terms of that support,
22 and Councilman James Spivey has already indicated -- and
23 I think we have I know the support of Scott Pinson from
24 this District 3 in terms of support. So, that support
25 has been galvanized and awareness that we want to make
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1 sure that you understand the Charter and what we are
2 operating under.
3 I think in the past, we did not make that
4 crystal clear to you. But you can find the results and
5 the findings of Emergency Order Number 11 and Emergency
6 Order 42 on the internet. And if you have any questions
7 concerning it, you can always see one of the
8 commissioner because we've been dealing with this ever
9 since we have been elected in January, of what -- well,
10 we took office in January, 2014, is that correct?
11 So, we can move forward with the agenda at
12 this time. I am going to ask on our first speaker
13 tonight, Attorney David Robinson. Attorney David
14 Robinson is a former police officer who went on to law
15 school, and he pretty much retired from the police
16 department. But I had the opportunity to work with him
17 when he was a young officer, when I was a young officer
18 years ago in the old 14th Precinct.
19 But he was -- really grasped the situation.
20 And his brother was on the police department. And he's
21 somebody I just really look up to and appreciate his
22 legal background. And he is going to share some insight
23 in reference to what he has experienced with reference
24 to litigation involving not just the Detroit Police
25 Department but other agencies also.
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1 But I'm going to stop now and let him speak.
2 And we are going to turn this forum around for where he
3 can interact with you also. Thank you, Mr. Robinson.
4 MR. ROBINSON: All right. Thank you for the
5 invitation to come and speak before the honorable
6 commission. And I thank you out there for listening. I
7 was a cop for about 13 years. And then I have been
8 doing the law thing now about 29 years. I have been on
9 both sides of the issue in terms of when I was a police
10 officer/lawyer, I was representing the police officers
11 and doing things on behalf of the police department.
12 And then I taught police officers the law in
13 the academy. I taught briefly at Wayne State University
14 in the law courses. And now I've been on the other side
15 bringing civil lawsuits against police for police
16 misconduct. And I have brought lawsuits against not
17 just the City of Detroit but other municipalities and
18 other police agencies and so forth.
19 It's interesting that my sergeant, Sergeant
20 Willie Bell, asked me to come to speak to you tonight
21 in that I guess the City of Detroit politics are sort of
22 in the throws of what it is that a Board of Police
23 Commissioner as a citizen review can serve and for the
24 benefit for this city. Clearly, we have seen recently
25 in the newspaper stories of police officers taking the
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1 lives of young African-Americans.
2 The last one certainly highlights what I
3 believe to be the necessity to have the integral
4 involvement of a citizen review board with some sort of
5 teeth in order to restore what I believe to be the
6 confidence of the citizens in light of these incidents
7 where the only way that we will know the truth of what
8 really occurred is by way of a video tape.
9 Certainly, with Office Slager, if I'm
10 pronouncing his name correctly exactly, it would have
11 been business as usual had that video not been
12 displayed. I want to highlight one other quick point
13 because if we contrast what happened in South Carolina
14 with what happened in Ferguson, you got to -- if you
15 studied it, if you looked at it, the young man that was
16 with Michael Brown, he was an eyewitness to what it is
17 that Darren Wilson did to Michael Brown.
18 But interestingly, because of his humanity, he
19 could be impeached. If you were to compare the conduct
20 of Darren Wilson to the conduct of this new officer, I
21 assure you that Michael Brown was killed in essentially
22 the same fashion that Walter Scott was. And so, again,
23 there is no better time and no more urgent time for
24 citizens to feel confident in their police, in the
25 policing of their communities.
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1 And so, how do you do that? You do that
2 through the body of civilians in order that you, a
3 citizen, have a representation with regard to how your
4 police department is operating. Clearly, I have been
5 involved in many lawsuits. And the need again for a
6 process that is going to involve scrutiny of police has
7 to start again from I think a grass roots community
8 perspective.
9 So, you certainly are here as advocates
10 hopefully for the restoration of the Board's authority.
11 And I strongly endorse that, that you do show your
12 support continually for that. Now, in terms of a
13 solution so to speak to the problem, again, it's going
14 to take not the perspective of one entity. So, to say
15 that a chief of police in other words needs to run the
16 whole show, that never has worked and it never will
17 work.
18 The culture of policing is such that things
19 that have happened in Ferguson and things that have
20 happened in Staten Island and things that have happened
21 in Cleveland and things that have happened in South
22 Carolina and every city that you can think of, you got
23 to ask yourself why do these things keep happening?
24 Well, the culture that starts from the top
25 literally has to be changed because when -- and I again
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1 go back to this last example 'cause it's so stark. The
2 incident occurred. The officer had put on to paper a
3 version of what it is that he claimed took place.
4 Again, it isn't enough to say that a video should have
5 been the thing that would ferret out the truth.
6 Even without the video, the culture of
7 policing, to be changed, could also lead to the same
8 revelation of the officer literally having committed the
9 murder of Walter Scott. So, police departments, chiefs
10 of police, have to be open to looking at it from a
11 non-police perspective as it were if we are going to get
12 to the truth. And what do we want? We want the truth.
13 What does Mr. Scott's mom and dad want? Just the truth.
14 All right.
15 I can reflect on some of the cases that I've
16 had. And I'd like to sort of try to talk myself out of
17 business because I have in the course of the litigation
18 that I've done attempted to bring to the police
19 department and the law department ideas of how it is
20 that things should be done in order to stop the
21 lawsuits. Okay. Lot of money. Lot of money. But it
22 doesn't make sense. Paying the money doesn't change
23 anything.
24 So, somebody needs to, you know, grab ahold to
25 again, what I'm talking about changing the culture in
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1 order to save money. And again, I put myself out of
2 business. Back in the years before 2003 when the
3 justice department came in to the city and caused the
4 city to enter into the Consent Decree to change the
5 three areas of concern about pretrial detainees,
6 excessive force and the wrongful seizures that were
7 occurring, it was so interesting that pretrial
8 detainees, for instance, there was a case about a lady
9 by the name of Mildred Brazeel (phonetic).
10 And there were like 15 or 16 of these cases we
11 had. Mildred Brazeel was an example. She was a
12 68-year-old lady that had gotten into an argument with
13 her live-in mate. And he was probably 70. And she had
14 taken a pitch fork or something and tried to go after
15 him. They both were drunk. And the police came and
16 decided to arrest her and take her to the 13th Precinct.
17 When she got there, Mildred Brazeel started
18 complaining to her keepers that she had chest pains and
19 difficulty breathing. All right. They didn't do
20 anything. Her complaints fell on deaf ears. It was so
21 bad to the degree that the ladies that were in her cell
22 with her began to chime in and complain on her behalf
23 because they saw that nobody was doing anything.
24 Well, in the night, Mildred Brazeel fell off
25 of the bench that she was laying on, on to the floor.
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1 The hours had passed. And then in the morning, the
2 detention officer comes in, and all the other ladies are
3 aroused because they got to go to court. Mildred
4 Brazeel couldn't be aroused. She was on the floor. She
5 was in rigor mortis. And it was interesting because
6 when you looked at the blotter -- and that's the thing
7 that the desk supervisor keeps of all the events that go
8 on during the shifts, they have to record. One of the
9 things that they are supposed to record is the fact that
10 they're checking the detainees given what is required
11 under the policy.
12 Well, in her case, she was complaining of
13 chest pains and difficulty breathing. That should have
14 given her a little more of a heightened status, but it
15 didn't. And when then you look at the evidence --
16 because they had found her dead in her cell. So, the
17 evidence techs came by. And this is so simple, so
18 simple. The evidence techs came, and they documented
19 the evidence, the evidence of this lady on the floor
20 dead in rigors, right.
21 You look at the blotter. The blotter said
22 that they checked her every 30 minutes. They are
23 looking at a dead lady every 30 minutes. But that
24 didn't rise to the -- didn't raise a red flag to anybody
25 because nobody concerned themselves about how this thing
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1 happened. It was, well, Mildred Brazeel just had a bad
2 heart and so unfortunately she died. Well, all right.
3 That's just Mildred Brazeel.
4 What about Tommy Thomas, what about Tory
5 Carter? What about -- and I can't even think of all the
6 names, but there's so many people, similar sorts of
7 things. And then nobody put two and two together. And
8 what I'm saying is you got to change the culture. All
9 right.
10 Somebody else, maybe outside of the psyche of
11 the police, that blue psyche, should take a look at it,
12 some other third party, some objective somebody. And
13 again, one of the other things -- I am switching gears
14 right now because this is kind of important in terms of,
15 again, changing the culture. There should be a
16 non-intimidating process of a citizen coming to the
17 police department to make a complaint. I've got clients
18 that come to me and they say, Mr. Robinson, this and
19 that has happened. I say, well, you know, go to
20 Internal Affairs and, you know, tell them about it.
21 They will take your complaint.
22 Then they go to Internal Affairs. And then
23 the first thing out of Internal Affairs' mouth is that
24 well, listen, I'm going to take your complaint. But,
25 you know, if you lie, it's a felony; and I will get a
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1 warrant against you. Okay. So, does that encourage the
2 person or does that discourage the person?
3 All right. And so, again, despite the fact
4 that Internal Affairs is supposed to be sort of
5 independent from the police department per se and
6 objectively look at things, they have a tendency not to
7 do that. Police have a tendency to think like police,
8 whether or not they are Internal Affairs or not.
9 So, again, the process of citizens being able
10 to take a complaint I think would be a little less
11 intimidating to the average citizen for the process.
12 What are we trying to accomplish here? Search for the
13 truth. What's the benefit of the search for the truth?
14 Making things work right. Isn't this that we are
15 supposed to be trying to accomplish here? I mean,
16 because again, if you stop police from doing misconduct,
17 that helps the police department. It helps the police
18 officers.
19 When the incident occurred with Michael Brown
20 and with Mr. Garner, one of the things that you never
21 heard by any police officer was what was told to me by
22 Louis Anderson when we were working together. He would
23 always say how important it was to treat the citizens
24 with respect because you never know when you're going to
25 need them. So, again, think out of the box. As a
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1 police officer, I wear a vest, I got a gun. You know, I
2 can call for help. Those are all things that are safety
3 factors for me when I'm out there on the street. But
4 what about the safety of humanity, indignity, in
5 treating somebody with respect because you never know
6 when you're going to need them.
7 I read all of that grand jury stuff with
8 Darren Wilson. And, you know, you scratch your head,
9 you say, wow, how could the grand jury come up with what
10 they came up with a non-indictment? Well, the fix was
11 in from the beginning. Okay. If you read the grand
12 jury's testimony if you want to call it that, there was
13 no absolute cross examination of him. So, changing the
14 culture. Okay. This was the prosecutor's feeling in
15 that regard.
16 So, you know, they can be on the hook too here
17 with regard to the thing that I'm talking about changing
18 that culture so that we become what it is that we are
19 supposed to be. And that is a civil society where bad
20 things don't happen. I mean, I'm talking about an ideal
21 situation. Is that ever going to happen? No. But can
22 we strive for it? Absolutely by changing the culture.
23 All right.
24 CHAIRPERSON BELL: Thank you, sir. I really
25 appreciate it. I think you gave a -- commissioner, do
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1 you have any questions or concern in reference to
2 Attorney Robinson at this time?
3 COMMISSIONER VANN: Mr. Chairman, I just want
4 to say that I'm happy to see him tonight. I got called
5 into a deposition with him. During that particular
6 time, I actually saw the evidence and the pictures of
7 course of those victims who were adversely treated in
8 custody, which led to the Consent Agreement. And I can
9 verify myself of Attorney Robinson's great work and what
10 he has done to heighten the cause of justice for all of
11 the persons in the city of Detroit.
12 So, thank you for stopping by and letting us
13 know. I remember the story quite well in my first stint
14 as a police commissioner. And I was scared to death
15 when I went up there the first time. But certainly I
16 want to applaud you for that and for coming tonight to
17 share with the residents of the city some of the issues
18 as it relates to the kind of police community relations
19 that we know that we need. Thank you.
20 MR. ROBINSON: Thank you.
21 CHAIRPERSON BELL: Thank you again,
22 Mr. Robinson, for your remarks. Commissioner Crawford?
23 COMMISSIONER CRAWFORD: Yes. Through the
24 Chair, I'd also like to thank Attorney Robinson. It's
25 been some years since we talked. And I just want to add
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1 that the cost of civil litigation for the City of
2 Detroit from the year 1987 to 2000 was 142 million
3 dollars. That's what it cost the taxpayers, 142
4 million. The last -- prior to the bankruptcy being
5 filed, the year I think it was 2013, was 4.1 million.
6 That's what the cost of litigation was because of the
7 police department.
8 One of the council members used to track this
9 every year, And I was in communication with her. And
10 that was Sheila Cockrel. She kept up with the cost of
11 litigation involving the Detroit Police Department and
12 citizens. So, that needs to be noted.
13 CHAIRPERSON BELL: Very expensive. Thank you,
14 Commissioner Crawford. The next item on the agenda
15 would be Leslie Matthews from Michigan United. And she
16 is going to come forward to speak to Michigan United,
17 DPAC. And we've been interacting with Ms. Matthews and
18 others for the last six months or so. It's been really
19 rewarding. We've had two community forums. And it's
20 been very helpful in terms of interacting with the
21 community and interacting with these individuals who
22 have been on the cutting edge of not just this issue but
23 other issues in the community. Thank you.
24 MS. MATTHEWS: Good evening. I'd like to
25 share a little bit with you about Michigan United.
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1 Michigan United is a state-wide coalition fighting for
2 the dignity of all people, for an economy that works for
3 many and a democracy that is strong. We believe that
4 people powered Michigan is the best kind of powered
5 Michigan that we can have.
6 We feel that through developing leadership,
7 those directly impacted by injustice, deep civic
8 engagement, that it would mobilize voters and on-going
9 campaigns that achieve meaningful change for our
10 communities.
11 I'm glad to be before you this evening. I'm
12 going to talk a little bit about our work with Michigan
13 United, DPAC. But I'm going to talk to you a little bit
14 about me. One of the things that I am is I am an
15 African-American mother. And one of the things that
16 frightens me is every day that my son goes out the door,
17 whether my child is going to return to me or not, not
18 just because of criminals but because of interaction
19 with other people.
20 My son is 20 years old, and he is a organizer
21 for SEIU. And one of the most frightening experiences
22 that my son has ever experienced as a young
23 African-American male was, I look like somebody, mama.
24 I'm doing what a 17-year-old does. I'm chilling in
25 front of the house talking to some girls. And some
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1 police came up to me, and they disrespected me; and they
2 called me names.
3 And he said, mom, I wet my pants. And I was
4 livid, and I wanted some help. And I really didn't know
5 where to go. Let me be clear. I am for justice. I am
6 also for policing. But I'm also for policing with
7 dignity. I do not want to live in a society that is
8 lawless. So, police are very very necessary. Good
9 policing is very very necessary.
10 So, when I heard the plight with the Detroit
11 Board of Police Commissioners back in December, I
12 listened. And I said, that's something that we can do
13 something about. And so, we took it to other clergy.
14 And the clergy said, that's what we want to do. We want
15 to be a prophetic voice in the city of Detroit. And we
16 want to help to build a better community.
17 Civilian police oversight is a necessity. We
18 have to have an agency that is independent of the police
19 department that we can go to and that we can get justice
20 from that will help obtain justice for its citizens.
21 DPAC was a part of the group that went and talked to
22 Barbara McQuade, the U.S. district attorney, Eastern
23 District attorney.
24 And we assisted in getting body cameras in
25 Ferguson. We are currently trying to assist the
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1 commissioners now with a campaign called ROC, Restore
2 our Commissioners. We want our city council to come on
3 board with us, December, 2015, and completely and
4 totally restore our police commissioners. It is not
5 enough to say that the only thing that we need is a
6 review board. I don't understand how someone who could
7 be given back their power could not give back the police
8 commissioners their power.
9 I think the Detroit voters have been
10 disenfranchised long enough. I think that we have been
11 beat down as voters long enough. I think that we've
12 been beat down as citizens long enough. I think that we
13 deserve a Detroit for all people. And I think that we
14 can do this if we all get together and we all get behind
15 the commissioners and we all raise our voices together
16 and let our council people know and let our mayor know
17 that this is what we want. This is what the Charter
18 mandated, and this is what we want.
19 We want our vote to be recognized, recognized
20 from 2011, recognized from 2014 and 2013. We want our
21 vote recognized. So, what I'm inviting you to do is on
22 May the 5th, we will be at Mt. Zion Baptist Church. And
23 we will hold another forum, and we will be talking about
24 this very same thing. And we are going to beat the drum
25 in the city of Detroit, and we are going to beat it loud
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1 and clear until everybody gets the message and we all
2 get on the same page. And I'd just like to say thank
3 you very much for giving me this time.
4 CHAIRPERSON BELL: Thank you very much.
5 MS. MATTHEWS: We start prayer at 6:30, and
6 the actual program will start at 7:00. Thank you.
7 CHAIRPERSON BELL: Would other members of
8 Michigan United stand, please? I just want to recognize
9 and appreciate you. It's been -- this is just a small
10 number, but it's much larger. Thank you. Commissioner,
11 any questions or concerns in reference to Michigan
12 United? Okay.
13 COMMISSIONER CRAWFORD: Pardon me, sir.
14 Through the Chair, I just have an educational moment in
15 civics here. City council of Detroit is empowered by
16 the Charter and elected by the people, the same Charter
17 that empowers the Detroit Police Commission, they'd like
18 to -- and also be appointed. So, it's just kind of
19 ironic that the council would be in a position to have
20 to give us power back or restore power when it's the
21 same Charter that empowers all of us. And I have never
22 heard the history of politics in the state of Michigan
23 or Detroit where a group of elected officials can take
24 power from another group of elected officials
25 supposedly. I'm sorry, ma'am?
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1 AUDIENCE MEMBER: Say that again. People in
2 the back can't hear.
3 CHAIRPERSON BELL: Repeat it, please.
4 COMMISSIONER CRAWFORD: I'm very sorry if you
5 didn't hear me, ma'am. But the city council is
6 empowered by the same Charter that the police commission
7 is. And they are also elected by the citizens of this
8 city as the police commission. So, it's just kind of a
9 bit of hypocrisy one might say that the council has some
10 kind of power to take power away from another elected
11 body. That's all.
12 CHAIRPERSON BELL: To my right, Commissioner,
13 do you have a question? Oh, I'm sorry. We want to
14 recognize -- I think he joined us about ten minutes ago,
15 maybe fifteen minutes ago -- Commissioner Willie Burton
16 from District 5, seated to my right.
17 COMMISSIONER BURTON: Thank you.
18 CHAIRPERSON BELL: Thank you. Thank you.
19 Brenda Hill is not here. Okay. Brenda Hill is not
20 here. We can move to the next point of business.
21 Assistant Chief Dolunt, you're next on the agenda.
22 ASSISTANT CHIEF DOLUNT: Okay. Do you want to
23 do the presentation now? I speak enough. It's never
24 good. I speak enough. Who is from the 11th Precinct?
25 CHAIRPERSON BELL: Thank you.
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1 ASSISTANT CHIEF DOLUNT: Kevin Miller is here.
2 SERGEANT KEVIN MILLER: Thank you, honorable
3 body. Hello to everyone else in the room.
4 CHAIRPERSON BELL: This is the normal format.
5 We just made an exception for the two speakers. But
6 this is the normal format we initiated 'cause you're
7 speaking to the Board. Okay. Thank you.
8 SERGEANT KEVIN MILLER: Captain Timothy Leach
9 is in Lansing. So, he certainly sends his apologies.
10 The 11th Precinct is located at 5100 East Nevada, which
11 encompasses approximately 15.9 square miles. The 11th
12 Precinct is commonly referred to as the Northeastern
13 area of the city of Detroit, bordering the neighboring
14 cities of Hamtramck, Highland Park, Warren, Hazel Park
15 and Ferndale.
16 The boundaries of the 11th Precinct are north,
17 east 8 Mile Road at John R. Street to east 8 Mile Road
18 at Hoover; east, Hoover at east 8 Mile Road, to Connor
19 Road to French Road; south, Miller Street at
20 Van Dyke to Carpenter Avenue bordering the city of
21 Hamtramck; west, I-75 freeway to east McNichols to John
22 R. Street on east 8 Mile Road.
23 The 11th Precinct goals and initiatives. The
24 11th Precinct has been selected as the model precinct
25 for the Detroit Police Department. This is a
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1 prestigious honor for our precinct, for some of our many
2 goals which are increase community partnerships, improve
3 response time for calls for service, patrol units to be
4 more proactive, continue to develop and implement plans
5 to increase police visibility, reduce crime and address
6 quality of life issues.
7 There are presently two crime prevention
8 initiatives, which is of course as the neighborhood
9 policing officers, deployment of community relations
10 personnel in each area of the precinct. There are three
11 zones that the neighborhood policing officers are over.
12 And of course they have cell phones that the citizens
13 are able to call them directly.
14 The other measure is security surveys. They
15 are offered regularly and conducted upon request from
16 businesses and residents by the precinct they were
17 policing, police officers. So, there are approximately
18 five security surveys done monthly, dependent on how
19 often one calls in and requests that service.
20 You will see that there are pages 2 and 3, I
21 think you guys received the -- you will see there that
22 pages 2 and 3. There are community events, meetings.
23 And one in particular is the community meeting that
24 Captain Leach has every second Tuesday, monthly, between
25 6:00 p.m. to 8:00 p.m. So, he is actually meeting with
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1 the citizens in the 11th Precinct. And there's a
2 schedule that's giving you all of the events that will
3 be going on throughout the remaining of this year.
4 Lieutenant Ronald Lockhart is here from the
5 11th Precinct. And you have the NPO, which is -- one is
6 Officer Eric Hill in the back there, Officer Douglas
7 Nichols and Officer Kevin Chambers. Are there any
8 questions?
9 COMMISSIONER MOORE: First of all, I want to
10 commend you, Sergeant, on a job well done. I have never
11 seen a sergeant present before the Board of Police
12 Commissioners. You did an outstanding job. This
13 calendar is nice as well. Do you have any information
14 -- and maybe I should direct this to the assistant chief
15 -- on the body camera pilot program that's taking place
16 here. Do we have any information on that, Assistant
17 Chief?
18 ASSISTANT CHIEF DOLUNT: The pilot program is
19 in Number 11. Ron, can you address that?
20 LIEUTENANT LOCKHART: Lieutenant Ron Lockhart,
21 11th Precinct. What is your question, sir?
22 COMMISSIONER MOORE: Status -- do we have any
23 feedback on the body camera pilot program?
24 LIEUTENANT LOCKHART: What we are doing is
25 right now we are in the testing phase. There's three
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1 different vendors that are vying for our business. And
2 these are for the -- these are for the cameras -- these
3 are for the cameras that attach to your lapel, attach up
4 here. They are attached to your shirt. And it's better
5 than the cameras in the cars because if you go inside of
6 a house or if you have to chase somebody, the camera can
7 still work and it's still on.
8 And what we are doing is we are testing in
9 three phases. We are just finishing up phase one.
10 Phase two is going to start on Monday. And then we are
11 going to do a month with that camera. Then we are going
12 to go to the third phase a month after that. So, it's
13 coming.
14 We should have had it a while ago, but it's
15 coming now. So, every officer that works patrol in the
16 Detroit Police Department at some point in time will
17 have a body camera.
18 COMMISSIONER MOORE: Do officers appear to
19 like the body cameras or --
20 LIEUTENANT LOCKHART: They do in the long run.
21 And I think -- he is gone now, but I think Attorney
22 Robinson said it best. The bottom line is it's a search
23 for truth and the search for justice. And the camera --
24 the camera doesn't lie.
25 COMMISSIONER MOORE: Thank you.
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1 CHAIRPERSON BELL: Anything else?
2 COMMISSIONER CRAWFORD: Through the Chair,
3 Officer, on the issue of body cameras -- well, I'd like
4 to expound a little later. I attended a regional
5 conference a couple days ago in Akron, Ohio. And that
6 was the issue. That's what this conference was about.
7 It was a NACOLE conference of body camera
8 implementation. It was noted that citizen complaints go
9 down tremendously and also abuse of force.
10 There's a couple cities that were cited across
11 America. One of them was Rialto, California. I think
12 the citizen complaints they cited were down 87 percent
13 because they all have body cameras on. And the use of
14 force is down 29 percent. So, there's been dramatic
15 drops in use of force and also citizen complaints when
16 officers are wearing body cameras. And that's two fold
17 too, for the citizen and the officer.
18 LIEUTENANT LOCKHART: Sir, you're absolutely
19 correct. Also, the officers that are out there doing
20 what they are supposed to do on a daily basis, they have
21 nothing to fear with the camera. But for those officers
22 -- and I'll be honest with you, every department has bad
23 apples. And like every department, we want to weed out
24 our bad apples. So, the only ones that would have a
25 problem with it are the officers that aren't doing the
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1 right thing anyway. And we want to get rid of those
2 officers anyway.
3 COMMISSIONER CRAWFORD: By the way, it was
4 reiterated again yesterday in the media that the
5 president, President Obama, last year there was this
6 talk of trying to allocate I think it was -- I think it
7 was 373 million dollars -- don't quote me on that number
8 -- for body cameras. But that was about 50,000 body
9 cameras for police officers across the country. But
10 there are some 780,000 police officers across the
11 country, 780,000.
12 And that's -- the citizenship in America is
13 316 million. So, just to give you an idea of those
14 numbers. But as to 50,000 -- so. It's going to be
15 incumbent upon -- if the money does come to departments,
16 it's going to be dealing with them only buying so many.
17 So, it's incumbent on the various police departments to
18 buy their own.
19 LIEUTENANT LOCKHART: I would like to see
20 every officer in America have them. Every officer has a
21 gun, every officer has a badge, every officer has a
22 bullet-proof vest. So that should be standard
23 equipment.
24 COMMISSIONER DEWAELSCHE: I do have a couple
25 of questions for the sergeant regarding his report on
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1 community policing. So, you indicated there are
2 security surveys that are conducted, five a month. That
3 seems like a very small number to me. And I'm
4 wondering, is that because you don't have enough
5 community policing officers or how do you go about
6 informing businesses and residents that they can get a
7 community survey done of their facility or home? Is
8 that something that you do on a regular basis because I
9 would think you would be inundated with requests if
10 people knew about that.
11 LIEUTENANT LOCKHART: Well, I'm going to --
12 first I want to start with the businesses. Whenever a
13 business requests a survey, we do go out there and do
14 the survey. And when the officer is out there on the
15 street and they take the report, the officers will let
16 them know. I can't say that that happens in every
17 situation. But when the officer initially takes the
18 report, the business owner says, hey, my shop was broken
19 into, the officer will come out there. They will take a
20 report. And they will let them know at that time that
21 our community policing, our neighborhood police officers
22 will do a survey.
23 And just to answer your question though, we
24 don't get a lot of requests. And that's probably
25 because a lot of people -- a lot of people don't know.
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1 And this is something that we need to take a look at.
2 Thank you for bringing that to my attention.
3 COMMISSIONER DEWAELSCHE: Then my other
4 question was how many officers do you have assigned to
5 do this kind of work, community policing?
6 LIEUTENANT LOCKHART: Well, there's three per
7 precinct. And we have three officers that do that.
8 COMMISSIONER DEWAELSCHE: Okay. Thank you.
9 LIEUTENANT LOCKHART: You're welcome.
10 COMMISSIONER CARTER: Through the Chair, quick
11 question. Lieutenant, I know that there was an
12 initiative that the chief put forward for all precincts
13 to meet with clergy in their areas. Do you know if that
14 started in your precinct? And if so, how many churches
15 are actually in your precinct?
16 LIEUTENANT LOCKHART: We absolutely have done
17 that. And one of our clergy members, one of the members
18 from our clergy council was here just a little while
19 ago. I don't know what happened to him. But he was
20 just here. So, we have about six or seven clergy
21 members. And we do meet once a month. And the doctor,
22 the pastor that was just sitting over there a little
23 while ago, he is actually on our board.
24 COMMISSIONER CARTER: Thank you.
25 CHAIRPERSON BELL: Any other questions? Is
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1 that Reverend Sidney Griffin you're speaking of?
2 LIEUTENANT LOCKHART: No. The doctor whose
3 wife is also a doctor. I can't think of his name right
4 now.
5 CHAIRPERSON BELL: Thank you. Any other
6 questions or concerns?
7 COMMISSIONER SHELBY: One question. The 11th
8 Precinct has a large population of Middle Easterners.
9 How is the communication with those groups?
10 LIEUTENANT LOCKHART: We interact well with
11 not just Middle Eastern, there's also a large number of
12 people from India and Pakistan. We typically don't get
13 a lot of runs there. But the interaction is fine. We
14 treat them just like we would any other citizens.
15 CHAIRPERSON BELL: Any other questions,
16 concerns? Assistant chief, would you acknowledge --
17 introduce all the staff members of your command, please?
18 ASSISTANT CHIEF DOLUNT: I actually don't know
19 who is here. We have Captain Bilinski from 12, Deputy
20 Chief Fitzgerald who is trying to hide in the back. He
21 didn't wear a uniform here. Is that you, Debbie?
22 Captain Debbie O'Toole Rashid. And I see another --
23 LIEUTENANT LOCKHART: Captain Jarvis is back
24 there, Captain Willis is back there.
25 ASSISTANT CHIEF DOLUNT: Celia is in the front
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1 row. Who else? I think that's it.
2 LIEUTENANT LOCKHART: Sorry. Sergeant Spruce
3 is back there also.
4 ASSISTANT CHIEF DOLUNT: I think most of them
5 went towards the meeting with the chief and the mayor to
6 be honest with you. We have a few stalwarts that came
7 for us. Thank you.
8 CHAIRPERSON BELL: Thank you, Lieutenant, and
9 thank you, Sergeant, and thank you. That was
10 outstanding. I appreciate it. And I have a great deal
11 of love and affection for the 11th Precinct. It's my --
12 I spent a couple years working there, and it was a
13 rewarding experience because I think Commander Haddad
14 was the commanding officer who moved on to chief of
15 police. And we had a great interaction with the
16 community in terms of aspects of policing community
17 relationships. You all did a great job. It was a great
18 experience.
19 The 11th Precinct, I want to say that it's
20 continuing on. So, that's a blessing. And you shared
21 in your home with what precinct now?
22 LIEUTENANT LOCKHART: Number 7, Captain Hoke,
23 right.
24 CHAIRPERSON BELL: Assistant Chief, any other
25 remarks or comments you might want to make at this time?
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1 ASSISTANT CHIEF DOLUNT: Are we doing the
2 award now? Do we do that award now? I thought the
3 presentation was well received and well presented.
4 Sergeant Miller is the first sergeant to probably do it.
5 And he is using his speaking voice for what it's worth.
6 And it's Ron's job -- he is in a Beatles band. Did you
7 tell him that, Ron, or no?
8 LIEUTENANT LOCKHART: I did not tell him that.
9 ASSISTANT CHIEF DOLUNT: It's an actual
10 Beatles tribute band. He plays George Harrison, right?
11 Anyway, he has a wig on I'm assuming.
12 COMMISSIONER VANN: To the assistant chief,
13 I'd like to know for the sake of our residents and
14 community members who are here, I know that there's been
15 some recent stories that involved Detroit police
16 officers. And I don't know if you'd like to address
17 that and also possibly give us an opportunity to know
18 whether progress is being made with the incident with
19 the mother and the children as well.
20 ASSISTANT CHIEF DOLUNT: Well, today a
21 lieutenant and a police officer were indicted federally.
22 I think they have been under investigation for some
23 time. And the FBI concluded their investigation, turned
24 it over to the United States Attorney's Office, who
25 presented to the grand jury. And they felt there was
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1 enough there to indict those two officers.
2 They are now suspended without pay pending the
3 outcome of their trial, federal trial. It's well
4 documented that we have -- we are still under
5 investigation in our major violated unit both federally
6 and through the county. So, we are waiting for the
7 results on that.
8 Some additional investigation going on with
9 that. I think the chief was right on point when he
10 said, things that are done by some aren't a reflexion of
11 all. They are innocent until proven guilty like anyone
12 else. It's very disturbing. It's a bad day in the
13 department. But we will get through this as we always
14 do.
15 As far as the woman who had the two children,
16 I was at that scene. It was very troubling for the
17 officers as well who seen this. I was troubled by a few
18 of the neighbors that said, well, you know, no, I don't
19 know. That was, I'm always hearing that it takes a
20 village. Some -- a few neighbors or some concerned
21 people to step up. And they didn't. And it wasn't
22 until she was being evicted that we found out about
23 that.
24 And then we had yesterday or two days ago
25 where I had six kids between the ages of 8 and 8 months
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1 in a house with no heat or electricity. To the mother's
2 credit, she had a job. The kids were fed. They were
3 clothed. Unfortunately, they couldn't bathe because
4 they had no heat, water or electricity in the house.
5 And that's sad as well.
6 I give her credit for working. But I think
7 the problem nationwide is we have kids raising kids.
8 Grandparents shouldn't have to raise their kids' kids.
9 Kids should have to raise their own kids. And there's
10 no license to become a parent. So, we are dealing with
11 -- I'm not going to condemn anyone. We'll just keep on
12 pushing through this and we will be okay. Better times
13 are coming.
14 COMMISSIONER VANN: Thank you.
15 CHAIRPERSON BELL: Thank you, Commissioner
16 Vann. I'm glad you sort of brought that out because it
17 was a breaking story this afternoon. So, it's good to
18 share that type of dialog. I would like to just pause
19 before we move on to perhaps committee reports, perhaps
20 Commissioner Crawford can give us a brief overview of
21 the conference in Akron, Ohio. And we can perhaps
22 explore it a little bit more fully at our next meeting
23 next week. But you made come comments already.
24 COMMISSIONER CRAWFORD: The conference in
25 Akron, Ohio, was a conference -- regional -- Midwest
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1 Regional Conference. But it's sponsored by NACOLE,
2 which is the National Organization for Civilian
3 Oversight of Law Enforcement. That's across the
4 country.
5 And so, civilian oversight, there are
6 different models in different cities across the country.
7 I don't believe there's any two alike. I think
8 personally we have the best model here for civilian
9 oversight. That's the Detroit Police Commission, which
10 has been around for 41 years now.
11 In this conference particularly, it was about
12 body cameras, about the body cams that some police
13 departments are slow to implement basically across the
14 country. There are pilot programs going on in Akron as
15 we speak. Cleveland is about to -- well, they are
16 engaging in the pilot program also because of what
17 happened in Cleveland with the 12-year-old, Tamira Rice,
18 being killed by the officer. Akron also has one.
19 Detroit, we have one currently. And we started one last
20 year. And this is our second pilot program.
21 So, body cameras are coming to your local
22 police department. As I stated, at the conference,
23 there has never been or there historically wasn't an
24 issue with video, police controlled videos I call them.
25 You remember a show called COPS, it's still on, where
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1 they brought cameras into your house? And I still today
2 don't know how they did that, come in your house with a
3 video camera with the police, and they are riding in the
4 back of the police car.
5 And, you know, there's another show called
6 48 Hours. And we do recall we had 48 Hours here in the
7 city of Detroit when Ayana Jones was killed. So, I
8 don't know what the issue is with the -- with some
9 police departments do not want to be caught on camera.
10 There's another show called Caught on Camera. And
11 that's happening too. But body cameras are -- I
12 wholeheartedly support them, endorse them and am an
13 advocate of them.
14 But that's not the end of it. You saw what
15 happened in South Carolina. That was on video. But I
16 can take you back to -- as I stated to the Rodney King
17 video. Remember that? You remember what happened?
18 They told you, you didn't see what you saw. And what
19 you saw is what we are going to tell you what you saw.
20 And they were tried by a Semi Valley jury, which they
21 were not convicted.
22 Then a federal indictment indicted them. And
23 then ultimately they were convicted. By the way, that
24 was Sergeant Stacey Koon, Officer Winn and Officer
25 Persinio (phonetic). I remember the names because I
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1 studied that one back then. So, I think you had a video
2 of Eric Garner in New York being choked up. I can't
3 breathe. Called in, no indictment. So, we have to go
4 beyond body cameras too. So, that's good. But we have
5 the video.
6 Then there needs to be good investigations,
7 indictments, prosecutions, convictions and prison time.
8 CHAIRPERSON BELL: Thank you, Commissioner
9 Crawford. I would like to, before we move into the
10 Resolution part in terms of new business, if you
11 represent an organization, I would like for you to
12 stand, to just say briefly what organization.
13 (Organization member introductions)
14 CHAIRPERSON BELL: Thank you. One final, if
15 this is your first meeting of the Board of Police
16 Commissioner, would you just wave your hand?
17 Commissioners, give them a round of applause for coming
18 out. That's a great turnout. And I really thank you
19 because on a rainy night, you could have been at the
20 mayor's forum. But you decided to come out here and
21 visit your police commissioners. We love you for that.
22 The next item would be in reference to a
23 Resolution. Is Mrs. Carolyn Green here?
24 MRS. GREEN: Right here.
25 CHAIRPERSON BELL: Mrs. Carolyn Green.
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1 Commissioner Crawford, would you do the honor of reading
2 the Resolution? You can come forward, ma'am.
3 COMMISSION CRAWFORD: This is a Resolution
4 honoring Miss Carolyn Green.
5 "WHEREAS Mrs. Carolyn Green has been a
6 resident of the Eleventh Precinct for thirty-nine years,
7 and has been an active Community Relations Council
8 member. She was married to the late DonEl Green, Sr.,
9 and is the proud parent of six(6) children, eighteen
10 (18) grandchildren, and eight (8) great grandchildren;
11 and
12 WHEREAS, Mrs. Green graduated from the Detroit
13 High School of Commerce. Following graduation, she
14 pursued her secondary education at Highland Park Junior
15 College where she took Liberal Arts courses. In 1966
16 she was hired by General Motors and retired after
17 32 years of service; and
18 WHEREAS, Mrs. Green is committed to helping
19 the people in her community and the youth within the
20 Eleventh Precinct. She participates in the community
21 relations meetings and other precinct activities as
22 well; and
23 WHEREAS Mrs. Green is currently a member and
24 past president of the church's Missionary Society, a
25 member of the Seasoned Saints Senior Ministry and the
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1 church's after care ministry. She participated in the
2 Dad Butler Park clean up and restoration project and
3 helps raise funds for the park. She also participates
4 in the National Night Out activities and the Motor City
5 Makeover and is always available to assist with
6 community clean-up efforts, and the Eleventh Precinct
7 Mini Station 3. In addition, Mrs. Green volunteers for
8 the Angel's Night campaign, and works with the Eleventh
9 Precinct's "Just Say No" drug program; and
10 WHEREAS Mrs. Green loves to volunteer and help
11 wherever she is needed. She is what every community
12 leader hopes for and more; and
13 NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that the
14 Detroit Board of Police Commissioners, speaking for the
15 citizens of the city of Detroit and the Detroit Police
16 Department acknowledges the generous spirit of
17 Mrs. Carolyn Green. Her unselfishness and dedication to
18 improving the quality of life for all citizens in her
19 community and throughout the city of Detroit, merits our
20 highest regards.
21 We thank you and congratulate you,
22 Mrs. Carolyn Green. Detroit Board of Police
23 Commissioners."
24 ASSISTANT CHIEF DOLUNT: We've got one more.
25 We have two more. I'm sorry. So, we are going to start
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1 with this one because I have to take it back to the
2 chief because I forgot to get him to sign it. This is
3 really nice. Okay. Okay.
4 Detroit Police Department Certificate of
5 Recognition to Mrs. Carolyn Green. The residents of the
6 city of Detroit appreciates the following outstanding
7 service and cooperation. Your involvement in the
8 community, the services to the city of Detroit with a
9 spirit and commitment that is worthy of recognition. I
10 will get the chief to sign it, and we will get it back
11 to you. And now you can take a picture.
12 And, okay, one more. One more. Okay. Spirit
13 of Detroit Award, presented herewith as an expression of
14 the gratitude and esteem of the citizens of Detroit to
15 Miss Caroline Green in recognition of exceptional
16 achievement, outstanding leadership and dedication to
17 improving the quality of life. Signed City Council,
18 Detroit, Michigan. And it's signed by all the council
19 members. Hold on. Okay.
20 MRS. GREEN: I just thank everybody for even
21 considering me because when I started to volunteer, it
22 was never for anything like this. And one main thing
23 they forgot, I am an advocate for the Detroit Recreation
24 Swim Team.
25 We are in bad need of financial support.
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1 Well, the city don't have any money. So, we're raising
2 -- and it's about maybe 90 kids. They all have to keep
3 a good GPA. And we travel. We just got back from
4 Washington, DC. Memorial Day weekend we are going to
5 North Carolina. And we are in bad need of buses. We
6 are talking about children who swims three or four hours
7 a day when they get out of school. So, they can't get
8 in no trouble.
9 By the time they get home, they tired, and
10 that homework have to kick in. And they can't swim if
11 they are not up to date with their school. All our
12 children come in the top ten when we go somewhere. So,
13 it's not like we just came. We have just had seven come
14 back for sectionals. Sectionals is -- next is
15 nationals. We've had one to go to nationals. We had
16 one is a Navy Seal. We have one that's training Navy
17 Seals.
18 So, I mean, some good and a lot of them has
19 got their college education. So, I'm an advocate for
20 the Detroit Recreation Swim Team. And if anyone could
21 help with some type of financial, whatever support. And
22 by the way, they do the five mile at Belle Isle in July
23 for breast cancer. So, they go to Canada and back
24 three-and-a-half times.
25 Yes, sir. My granddaughter -- Danielle, stand
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1 up -- she came in number ten when we swim the swimmers
2 nationals, yes, and the masters. So, yes, and they do
3 it freely for breast cancer. So, we in bad need of
4 financial support. So, if anybody, if you -- feel free
5 to see me afterwards. And I thank everybody. I thank
6 my family and my friends for coming, my pastor,
7 everybody who took out their time just to come to be
8 with me. I just thank everybody, and I thank you all.
9 MS. JACKSON: My name is Kim Jackson, and I'm
10 the president over the 7th and 11th Police Community
11 Relations. And I have a certificate for this young
12 lady. And I don't know if she knows she is getting it
13 or not, but her name is Danielle Green. And she is such
14 a sweetheart. I mean, she volunteers for everything.
15 All I have to say is, "can you?" And she tell, ask me,
16 when, where and what time do I need to be there if she
17 is not swimming. So, if you could come up, Sweetie, and
18 get your certificate.
19 And her certificate says, "The Detroit Police
20 Department Certificate of Appreciation to Danielle
21 Green, in appreciation for the following outstanding
22 service in cooperation for your outstanding support,
23 commitment and contributions to the 11th Precinct
24 Community and the City of Detroit." Thank you.
25 SERGEANT MILLER: Is Miss Terry Johnson here?
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1 Very quickly, reading into the record, "The Detroit
2 Police Department Certificate of Appreciation for Terry
3 Lawan Johnson in appreciation for the following
4 outstanding service and cooperation, for the outstanding
5 support, commitment and contribution to the Eleventh
6 Precinct community and the city of Detroit."
7 This young lady saw a small toddler who had
8 exited her home without her grandparents being aware.
9 And Miss Johnson actually brought the young child to the
10 precinct. And so, it was great that she brought her
11 there and helped us and expedited getting her
12 grandparents back to her. So, it was a wonderful thing
13 that she did. So, thank you.
14 CHAIRPERSON BELL: I just want to thank
15 Mrs. Green again. She was very humble. She didn't
16 speak about herself. She spoke about her mission. And
17 perhaps we can embrace that in some form of support. I
18 know I will take that initiative and thank you again.
19 But when I walked in at 6:00, Miss Green was here. I
20 didn't know that she was our honoree. And her family
21 and fan club was already here, and what a blessing.
22 And I just wish you God speed in terms of, you
23 know, just sharing your blessings with others. And
24 that's what it's all about because surely our young
25 people need support. And you're offering that type of
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1 support. And hopefully, they can get that bus they need
2 in some form or another, you know, make it appear.
3 Any old business, Commissioners? Okay. They
4 are just reminding me we're still on the new business.
5 We have to vote on the Resolution. The Chair would
6 entertain a motion to that effect to support the
7 Resolution for Mrs. Carolyn Green.
8 COMMISSIONER DEWAELSCHE: So moved.
9 COMMISSIONER MOORE: Support.
10 CHAIRPERSON BELL: It's been properly moved
11 and second. Ready for the question? All those in
12 favor, aye?
13 COMMISSIONERS: Aye.
14 CHAIRPERSON BELL: Those opposed? Motion
15 passed. Thank you. Any old business?
16 Announcement: The next meeting would be
17 Thursday, April 16th, 2015, at 3:00 p.m., at the Detroit
18 Public Safety Headquarters, 1301 Third, Michigan Room.
19 And please come down. And we meet weekly there except
20 for the second Thursday. And the next community meeting
21 of the Board will meet in the 8th Precinct. That's the
22 far west side, May the 14th, 2015, at Westminister
23 Church of Detroit, 17567 Hubbell Avenue. And you should
24 have on your agenda in terms of that location. That
25 timeframe is 6:30 p.m.
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1 And I'm glad that you shared this calendar
2 with us because at the last community meeting, one of
3 the members next door, they wanted to know Police Week.
4 And the information in my book was not listed. But
5 Police Week is right after Mother's Day. We all know
6 about Mother's Day. That's on May, what, the 10th, the
7 second Sunday in May. And Police Week is from the 11th
8 all the way to the 15th. That's Police Week.
9 And this will give you the opportunity to
10 interact and support your local police department. We
11 are talking about the Detroit Police Department. And
12 thank you for that type of calendar. That sort of
13 clears that up.
14 Now it's your opportunity to come before the
15 Board at this time. We have two minutes. Please give
16 your name for the record. And please, by all means, be
17 respectful because we are in the house of the Lord.
18 MS. COOPER-REID: Good evening. I'm Jo Ann
19 Cooper-Reid. And I'm the director of the Detroit Police
20 Victim Assistance Unit; so, a little small unit that
21 provides crisis intervention to victims of sexual
22 assault, domestic violence and homicide.
23 And Commander Bettis and my Commander Wilson
24 asked me to come today and just do two minutes on what
25 we do to make the commissioners and the community aware.
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1 We are trying to get out into the community. We have
2 actually been in effect since 1975 as the Detroit Police
3 Rape Counseling Center.
4 But unfortunately, a lot of greater Detroit
5 does not know that we exist. We get a copy of every
6 police report of domestic violence, sexual assault and
7 homicide that is committed in the city of Detroit every
8 day. We contact those victims either via telephone,
9 mail or in person. And we try to avail them of the free
10 and confidential services that we provide.
11 We are also on 24/7 pager to the hospitals of
12 the DMC, primarily Detroit Receiving Hospital, so that
13 we can see the victims of domestic violence and sexual
14 assault in the immediate aftermath.
15 So, we want to let everyone know that we are
16 in existence. I brought with me today one of our social
17 workers. Our staff is primarily social workers. And
18 one of our homicide advocates. And we have some
19 information for the commissioners and for the community.
20 Thank you.
21 CHAIRPERSON BELL: Thank you. A question for
22 you. Are you listed within the DPD communication?
23 MS. COOPER-REID: Yes.
24 CHAIRPERSON BELL: And are our PO's and our
25 detective aware of this particular --
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1 MS. COOPER-REID: Yes.
2 CHAIRPERSON BELL: You hesitated.
3 MS. COOPER-REID: Well, through attrition, I
4 think that we -- we may have been more known than maybe
5 we are now. That's what we are trying to correct.
6 CHAIRPERSON BELL: Commissioners?
7 COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: I have a question. If I
8 wanted to send someone to you, what would that process
9 be?
10 MS. COOPER-REID: All they would need to do is
11 call 833-1660. I'm going to give you one of these with
12 the number on it. And just, we are a 24/7 operation.
13 So, they should always be able to get in touch with a
14 social worker.
15 COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Okay. All right. Thank
16 you.
17 ASSISTANT CHIEF DOLUNT: Commissioners, they
18 do a great job. When I was at major crimes, they are
19 overworked, understaffed. And I don't know if you know
20 this. But on the 27th, people are coming from DC to do
21 a domestic violence review. And I'd like you or some of
22 your staff to be there. It's free.
23 MS. COOPER-REID: We will be there.
24 ASSISTANT CHIEF DOLUNT: They do an
25 outstanding job. Thanks, Jo Ann.
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1 MS. COOPER-REID: Thank you.
2 CHAIRPERSON BELL: Commissioner Crawford?
3 COMMISSIONER CRAWFORD: Through the Chair, are
4 you listed on DPD's website?
5 MS. COOPER-REID: Yes.
6 COMMISSIONER CARTER: I have a question. I'm
7 sorry, through the Chair. Do you attend community
8 meetings to let the community know that you're there?
9 MS. COOPER-REID: As the Assistant Chief said,
10 we are a little bit understaffed. But we do try. We
11 are trying to get out in the community a little bit
12 more. Let me just say one more thing. We're 80 percent
13 funded by the Victims of Crime Act funding, which is
14 administered through the State of Michigan Crime Victims
15 Services Commission.
16 And we were just informed about two weeks ago
17 that the state anticipates getting increased funding, in
18 which they will trickle down to us. And we are one of
19 the larger grants within the state because they do
20 recognize that we have the numbers. Okay.
21 COMMISSIONER CARTER: Thank you.
22 MS. COOPER-REID: Thank you.
23 CHAIRPERSON BELL: If you don't have enough
24 pamphlets --
25 MS. COOPER-REID: We do.
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1 CHAIRPERSON BELL: I want to make sure the
2 community get copies of them because they are going to
3 that information. Thank you.
4 MS. COOPER-REID: Thank you.
5 CHAIRPERSON BELL: Yes, ma'am.
6 MS. MOORE: Hello. My name is Audrey Moore,
7 and I have a problem. My car was stolen three times in
8 six months. And the last time it was stolen,
9 unfortunately the robber dropped his phone. So, I was
10 able to get that -- I picked up the phone after looking
11 outside. And of course he had it where it was a code on
12 it anyway. I took it to the 11th Precinct, and they
13 couldn't open it up.
14 So, my son, I went and got him, and he decoded
15 it anyway, got it open, had all the pictures of all the
16 cars he stole and everything. And I was dealing with
17 Captain Rochon at that particular time. And everything
18 went down, and he was apprehended, the whole nine yards.
19 I called HEAT. And HEAT is if the person is supposedly
20 apprehended. And they wouldn't talk to me. They said
21 you didn't go through me first.
22 And so, then she said, well, I will turn it
23 over and see what they say, and back and forth, back and
24 forth, back and forth. I talked to everybody. And so,
25 finally, the 4th of July, a police officer called me and
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1 said now there's nothing you can do about it.
2 And I think that's awful, you know. I never
3 got a response back because at first they said if
4 somebody call from 11 and tell them about it, maybe they
5 will look into it. I called Captain Rochon a million
6 times. No response. I talked to a secretary last week.
7 In a meeting, get back with me. No response. And that
8 turns, you know, citizens off you know. Even if I
9 didn't get anything from it, they could have responded.
10 That's my concern. Since I seen the assistant
11 chief here, and you can't get to anybody, I thought
12 maybe he can get me some information.
13 CHAIRPERSON BELL: I'm sure that the assistant
14 chief or his staff will meet with you afterwards to get
15 your information and respond appropriately to you. Are
16 you living in the 11th Precinct?
17 MS. MOORE: Yes.
18 CHAIRPERSON BELL: 11th Precinct person in
19 here also.
20 MS. MOORE: All right. Thank you.
21 COMMISSIONER CRAWFORD: Excuse me. I need to
22 get some information from you also, ma'am.
23 CHAIRPERSON BELL: Thank you, ma'am.
24 Appreciate that. Assistant Chief, could we get a
25 follow-up to this dialog at our next meeting?
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1 ASSISTANT CHIEF DOLUNT: I'm sorry, what?
2 CHAIRPERSON BELL: Could we get a follow-up to
3 this situation?
4 ASSISTANT CHIEF DOLUNT: Absolutely. I'm
5 going to have Ron get right on it.
6 MR. ZANDER (Phonetic): My name is Anthony
7 Zander. Again, I'm from the Victoria Park Jefferson
8 Chalmers area for the 5th Precinct. And I want to
9 commend you guys on, you know, the job well done you
10 know. It's unfortunate you guys are operating under the
11 conditions that you are. And I just want to encourage
12 everybody out here to contact your district
13 representatives, your council representatives, the
14 members at large and encourage them to give back the
15 power the people duly elected them to have. So, that's
16 the first thing.
17 Second, I want to encourage everybody to be
18 involved in their respective community police district.
19 I am from the 5th District. And we are transitioning
20 from the Eastern District, to the 9th and 5th Precinct.
21 As we do such, we are looking forward to engaging the
22 community a lot more.
23 We recognize as a community, we are the first
24 level of defense. And we need everybody else to
25 recognize that as well. So, one of the things I would
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1 request from you all is that if there is some way that
2 we can get the information as far as the leaders of the
3 different police community groups, that kind of
4 information, maybe some type of -- I don't know --
5 something that we know of each other and we know when
6 they meet and they know when we meet, something so we
7 can share best practices. We don't need to recreate the
8 wheel for every situation. Some wheels, we want to
9 create our own. But some wheels, you know, we can
10 share. We can share those best practices.
11 And so, you know, I just want to encourage
12 everybody to vote, to call your elected representatives,
13 get them their power back. And thank you very much.
14 CHAIRPERSON BELL: Thank you very much. We
15 will make sure you get that information. In reference
16 to City Wide, I think they went through a
17 reorganization. And Bill was at the last meeting. He
18 spoke. I think he is getting ready to rotate out. But
19 we will make sure we -- in fact, the young lady was here
20 a minute ago can probably speak. She can probably help
21 because she is over at the 7/11, similarly to what you
22 be trying to do in the 5th Precinct. Thank you for your
23 concern.
24 MR. ZANDER: Thank you very much.
25 CHAIRPERSON BELL: To that extent, but we will
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1 make sure. Yes, ma'am.
2 MS. BUTLER: Good evening. My name is Brenda
3 Butler. I live in the 4th District. And I come before
4 the Board this evening to speak about the ordinance that
5 was passed regarding businesses increasing their video
6 cameras in their business and also the lighting. Based
7 on the ordinance that was passed by our Detroit City
8 Council, all businesses were supposed to increase their
9 lighting, upgrade their video system.
10 So, I am here because I would like to know, is
11 it a responsibility of -- or well, one of the duties of
12 the Police Commissioners, for our safety, to stay on top
13 of that as to how many businesses have complied? And
14 one of the things that was put in the ordinance is that
15 -- this ordinance passed last year -- that the
16 businesses, before they can be re-licensed again, must
17 comply with those two things.
18 So, my question is, is that something that you
19 guys can work on for the community to help to increase
20 our safety?
21 CHAIRPERSON BELL: I think assistant chief
22 probably can properly respond to that concern.
23 ASSISTANT CHIEF DOLUNT: Through the Chair,
24 Assistant Chief Dolunt. That's what is called business
25 licensing, business engineering safety. It's Eric
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1 Jones, the assistant chief, he is in charge of that now.
2 We don't enforce it. The licensing is from downtown.
3 They check it out before they give the license. We'll
4 get you in touch with them.
5 MS. BUTLER: They are the enforcers, is that
6 what you're saying to me? They are the enforcers, okay.
7 But my question is, how can we as the public find out
8 the businesses that have complied so far in one year?
9 ASSISTANT CHIEF DOLUNT: I'll hook you up with
10 Eric Jones. We will contact you, just after the meeting
11 to get your number and so forth.
12 MS. BUTLER: Yes, sir.
13 CHAIRPERSON BELL: If we can get a response
14 for the Board next week?
15 ASSISTANT CHIEF DOLUNT: I can ask Eric, sure.
16 CHAIRPERSON BELL: Thank you, ma'am.
17 MS. BIRCH: Good evening to the Commissioners,
18 to the audience and to the pastor of this church. My
19 name is Shirley Birch, organizer and founder of the
20 Community United for Progress. Also, I'm PR for the
21 Bellmont Shopping Center and the Shena Independent
22 Supermarkets. My pastor was here with Miss Green. That
23 was Reverend Jefferson. I know Reverend Edgar Vann here
24 as well.
25 My heart goes out because what we have done
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1 through our organization is adopt a park. The park is
2 called Dad Butler. We now have on the premises of that
3 Dad Butler the Little Free Library. Have you heard of
4 that, any of you heard of that? The Little Free Library
5 is a little box that sits in the park. And the kids are
6 allowed -- there are books in it. They are free. You
7 go and get them.
8 When we put it out in the year 2014, in
9 December, twice now, it has been tore up. My question
10 is that when the attorney was speaking, when are we
11 going to -- we can't change people's minds. But I know
12 that you as commissioners, some way you could get more
13 help to the police officers. 11th Precinct is doing all
14 they can. A priority is not a park. We know that.
15 But my thing is that when we come together,
16 the churches, and walk the streets of Detroit, you're
17 going to get the attention of the criminal because the
18 criminal plans. We don't. We go to church on Sunday.
19 You got a captive audience.
20 I'm asking is there a way that we can
21 galvanize citizens through the block clubs and walk the
22 streets of Detroit and take our city back?
23 One last thing is I have a movie here at our
24 church called, "God is Not Dead," on January -- I mean
25 on April 19th. You're all invited. Any questions of
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1 me?
2 CHAIRPERSON BELL: No, ma'am. I just want to
3 say that we are all working towards that effort in terms
4 -- you heard about the minister alliance coming together
5 by precinct and also the mayor office, the council
6 office. We are all busy trying to galvanize to deal
7 with issues in Detroit, including the Board of Police
8 Commissioners, regardless of by district.
9 This is one city that we are trying to deal
10 with the reality, especially the fact that our young
11 people -- we're looking at the churches. Thank God we
12 have churches because they are engaging. But we just
13 need to be more active in terms of community, especially
14 dealing with our young people. So, we appreciate you.
15 Thank you.
16 MS. WILLIS: Good afternoon. My name is
17 Erlene Willis, and I also live in Victoria Park. My
18 husband and I, we had the choice of staying in the city
19 of Detroit or leaving the city of Detroit. In 2012, my
20 husband -- I work up, my husband was dead next to me. I
21 called the precinct off of Jefferson. It took 35
22 minutes before I got an ambulance in my home.
23 I have to commend the city of Detroit for the
24 excellent police officers. I had six police officers in
25 my bedroom before I got an ambulance. Now I'm living
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1 alone. I have had four attempts at break-ins in my
2 home. They closed down the Jefferson and St. Jean
3 precinct. So, now if I call, I'm told that I have to
4 call Gratiot and Houston-Whittier.
5 I have had my whole first floor rewired at my
6 expense because I have to sleep upstairs. I'm terrified
7 because it takes so long, 15, 20 minutes now for me to
8 get a police officer. When my alarm goes off, I'm
9 breaking my neck to run down to the basement, I mean
10 down to my first floor. And now the alarm company is
11 telling me go get yourself a 38 or 45 with six bullets
12 in the chamber, in a box.
13 And I'm a registered nurse. It would kill me
14 to kill someone. Thank you.
15 CHAIRPERSON BELL: Thank you, ma'am. Could
16 you just hold on for one second? I want to acknowledge
17 your concern. But as you well know, we don't dispatch
18 from the precinct itself. But you will have a new
19 precinct come spring, May or June.
20 The 5th Precinct would be on Conners just
21 south of Mack. But if you have any other concerns, you
22 know, 911, and -- I would talk to you afterwards in
23 terms of living in the 5th Precinct. I think we are
24 doing due diligence with Captain Cox. I'm not --
25 Captain Bliss and the NPO's. And I'll make them aware
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1 of your situation there. I'm hoping we can give you
2 some special attention. We understand your frustration.
3 And we want to each out to you. Thank you for coming
4 out this evening.
5 MS. CUNNINGHAM: Good evening, sir, Rainelle
6 Cunningham from -- I am representing the program that
7 will be taking place this Sunday at the Coleman
8 Alexander Young International Airport. The Tuskegee --
9 honorable Tuskegee Airmen will be flying young people to
10 encourage them to go into aviation. They will be flying
11 them around City Airport, as far as the Belle Isle and
12 surrounding areas.
13 And I would like for our people in this
14 community to know that from 10:00 a.m. until two, they
15 will be flying young people. And it's absolutely free.
16 But they're going to select the first 25 people. So,
17 you got to get there early. Thank you very much.
18 CHAIRPERSON BELL: Thank you, ma'am.
19 MS. CUNNINGHAM: Thank you for your time. And
20 I am so proud of you, commissioners. Keep up the good
21 work.
22 CHAIRPERSON BELL: Appreciate it. Yes, ma'am?
23 MS. JACKSON: Kim Jackson, president of the
24 7th and 11th Police Community Relations Council. And I
25 just want to say first of all that I want to thank
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1 Captain Leach, Lieutenant Lockhart, Sergeant Miller, our
2 NPO, Sergent Spruce. Those guys are so attentive. I
3 have so many people that drop things in my mailbox
4 because a lot of people are afraid to speak up. I have
5 a big mouth. I don't have a problem with speaking up.
6 So, I'll speak up for them.
7 And any problems or concerns that they have, I
8 bring it to Captain Leach and Lieutenant Lockhart. And
9 before I know it, I have a phone call saying I don't
10 know what you did. And I told them, it's not me, it's
11 them. And I want to make sure that I give all the thank
12 you to you guys. Wholeheartedly, I appreciate you so
13 much. I'm very grateful to be in the precinct that I'm
14 in.
15 So, I just want to say thank you. I want to
16 make sure, you know, Caption Leach, even though he is
17 not here. I want to tell them thank you. He's the only
18 captain that I have ever met with on a monthly basis.
19 And he wants to know what's going on. And we have a
20 standard appointment every month with him and Lieutenant
21 Lockhart so I can inform them and they can inform me on
22 what's going on. So, I just want to say thank you guys
23 so much. And I love you. I love my NPO's. So, I thank
24 everybody. So, thank you.
25 There's also calendars in the back. I know
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1 you guys received your calendars already. But there are
2 more calendars in the back for anybody else in the
3 audience that would like to pick one up.
4 CHAIRPERSON BELL: I want to say that the
5 young man who spoke from the 5th Precinct in terms of
6 reorganizing, you could be a tremendous help in terms of
7 showing him the ropes. And I like the concept of you
8 meeting with your captain every month. As Chief Craig
9 always say, if you don't know your captain, there's
10 something wrong. You should know your captain. This is
11 a new spirit of cooperation with DPD in terms of
12 extending yourself.
13 And the Board are supportive of that.
14 Anything that we can engage, we would love to come out
15 to engage and speak. Now that we have your schedule, we
16 can come out and one of us, whatever. I know you got a
17 representative, you know, here in terms of -- I just
18 want to thank and acknowledge that time commitment.
19 That's what we are talking about, trying to maintain the
20 spirit of Detroit with you in terms of your commitment
21 to giving back to the community and the police. We
22 appreciate that.
23 MS. JACKSON: Thank you, and I appreciate you
24 guys as well.
25 CHAIRPERSON BELL: Yes, sir.
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1 REVEREND HAMILTON: My name is Willie
2 Hamilton. I just have one question. I used to work
3 with the city too and the water department. But I want
4 to know, is there any phone number I can call for any of
5 the precincts to have them to come by because there are
6 a lot of areas that we have the drug guys are still
7 holding up and taking some of the housing. Plus they
8 are making contacts on the street. So, on my block, it
9 has these -- we still have our block club in prayer now
10 because our president gone. But I just wondered, is
11 there any particular phone call I can call?
12 CHAIRPERSON BELL: Yes, sir. Pause right
13 there. Any other -- come to the mic, okay. Reverend,
14 I'll get back to you. We got some other speakers.
15 Don't go too far though. Yes, sir.
16 MR. LAWSON: Good evening, Isaiah Lawson. I
17 usually don't say anything. I come to the meetings and
18 stuff like that. I have other stuff going on that I'm
19 trying to do with the meetings. But there's something
20 that I have noticed. And I think that if I don't say
21 anything, I will regret it. What are we -- okay. How
22 many people in here, just the group, who is 50 and
23 younger, 50 and younger? Okay. Who is 43 and younger,
24 43 and younger? Who is 17 and younger?
25 CHAIRPERSON BELL: It's a mature crowd.
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1 MR. LAWSON: Those are the ones that are being
2 killed by police officers. And what I'm saying is, what
3 are we doing to actually engage the youth because that's
4 who is afraid. That's who is scared. I mean, if I see
5 my grandfather get shot down because he ran from the
6 police because of a tail light or whatever the driving
7 issue -- we don't know all that goes around.
8 But what are we doing in DPS or what are we
9 doing with charter schools so they know how to behave?
10 My mother taught me when I was nine years old, she told
11 me, this is how you behave when an officer is there. I
12 have many friends that never got that information. I
13 know, I mean, honestly I was told look down, be quiet.
14 They asked you something.
15 We need to do something to involve that if we
16 aren't already doing something as I really don't want
17 any more of our boys or girls to be caught in that
18 situation where just, you know, just not even knowing,
19 automatically being scared. I mean, ask me, ask some of
20 my students at Osborne, ask how do they feel about the
21 police. I mean, it's -- they need to know how to behave
22 in that situation but also how the police are
23 interacting with them, you know.
24 They don't want to be deemed criminals from
25 the beginning or victimized out the gate. Okay. I
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1 think that's it.
2 CHAIRPERSON BELL: Sir, you're a teacher at
3 Osborne?
4 MR. LAWSON: I don't teach. I work with
5 youth. I run a before and after care program for youth.
6 CHAIRPERSON BELL: As you well know, we have
7 Explorers, PAL, the mayor's got a program. They are
8 rolling out the jobs interaction. And DPD is doing a
9 great job trying to reach out and support the community.
10 We probably cannot do enough. And one of the things we
11 would hope to do in the next two or three weeks is move
12 our 3:00 meeting to East English Prep, you know, Academy
13 High School in terms of interacting with young people.
14 So, you're right to address those concerns.
15 We are trying to reach our young people, have that type
16 of dialog. And we support your effort in terms of we
17 can't do enough as adults and as church members and
18 pastors. And it takes all. It's a village.
19 MR. LAWSON: I'm sorry. I actually think we
20 can do more. I mean, I don't think it's enough. I
21 mean, I -- personally I went to an empowering movement,
22 black males empowering movement. And they just left.
23 And we don't keep in contact with the students. We
24 don't know what's going on. And I think even if we just
25 had some type of program -- I don't want to take up too
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1 much time. It just means a lot to me.
2 CHAIRPERSON BELL: Why don't you interact with
3 us after the meeting, and we can get your name and
4 telephone number. What precinct do you live in?
5 MR. LAWSON: I'm actually in the 9th -- what
6 do they call it now? It's not the 9th any more, right?
7 They changed it. It's Central District. It used to be
8 the 9th off of Gratiot though.
9 CHAIRPERSON BELL: We can talk. And we'll get
10 a DPD representative. We can interact and hopefully we
11 can share.
12 MR. LAWSON: 42824, that's me, Outer Drive.
13 CHAIRPERSON BELL: Thank you.
14 MS. BIRCH: Shirley Birch again. Captain
15 Lockhart, please come up. I do want to share with you,
16 what he is saying is true. And what our pastor and
17 Lieutenant Lockhart and Captain Leach came to our church
18 and spoke to the congregation about interacting with
19 young people how to behave.
20 So, it's already out there, but it's not
21 publicized. So, this gentleman knows what to do. We've
22 got to share with the young people. But please work
23 with him.
24 MR. LAWSON: I know where most of these youth
25 are. They're at school.
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1 CHAIRPERSON BELL: We thank you. We've just
2 got to move on. We thank you. Any others? Yes, sir?
3 MR. MIMS: Good evening. Byron Mims,
4 president of the Krainz Woods Neighborhood Organization.
5 And my question is whether or not you guys -- whether or
6 not like our neighborhood could get like maybe official
7 positions from you all as to your take on the lighting,
8 the public lighting situation.
9 The mayor is saying that there's a national
10 standard they're going to. And what is of particular
11 interest is that we have the Ryan Correctional Facility
12 or Ryan Detention Center now on Mound. And when those
13 were established, we were under the impression through a
14 memorandum of understanding that we were going to get
15 beefed up security, beefed up lighting.
16 And there have been a number of prison breaks
17 since the establishment. So, I'm curious as to whether
18 or not you guys have an official position on the
19 lighting in our area because I don't think the national
20 standard is sufficient.
21 CHAIRPERSON BELL: That's not a debate here.
22 If you attend the mayor's forum, like the community
23 meetings, and if you talk to --
24 MR. MIMS: He's come to my house.
25 CHAIRPERSON BELL: Okay. So, I can't
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1 elaborate any further because they have addressed
2 extensively -- even though we have improved lighting,
3 people are not a hundred percent satisfied. I heard it
4 in my neighborhood. I have been to the forums. It's
5 ongoing dialog with that. But this is not the forum to
6 really address that issue. But it's something they are
7 dealing with. You say the mayor has come to your house?
8 MR. MIMS: He has come to my house.
9 CHAIRPERSON BELL: What can we say? He's the
10 mayor.
11 MR. MIMS: I was just curious because see I
12 worry like -- I worry like if someone came down the
13 wrong way on Robinwood, on my street, that telephone
14 pole was standing since 1929. And it was dead of night,
15 that light went out. They smash the pole. Now, that
16 pole fell. It was right by my garage. Now, had it hit
17 my garage, I would have had to go after the city because
18 I got some stuff in my garage.
19 So, I'm just -- I was just curious to know,
20 you know, whether or not that's a concern because see I
21 worry about law enforcement in my neighborhood. I work
22 closely with them. And if my garage -- it's like pitch
23 black. And I worry about them and everyone else. I'm
24 just curious as to whether or not --
25 CHAIRPERSON BELL: We understand that. We've
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1 been to forums. And the most recent one at the Detroit
2 Golf Club, 500-plus people showed up. That issue
3 materialized. And the chief responded and the mayor's
4 people responded. They're working on it now in terms
5 with the lighting issue.
6 So, we understand your frustration. But it's
7 an improvement, but it's still not 100 percent
8 addressed, the community concern. And it's something
9 that they weighed in on.
10 MR. MIMS: I just hadn't heard from like law
11 enforcement, like they're --
12 CHAIRPERSON BELL: Law enforcement, we are
13 concerned. We understand lighting is crucial to public
14 safety. Trust me, the last year or so, it's been
15 improvements on that.
16 MR. MIMS: I agree, public safety. But
17 they're trying to make myself and other residents pay
18 for something that really benefits the public more so
19 than even us. And like we've been there for like
20 60 years. This is the 60th year that my mother is in
21 that home, okay? And making us pay another $17 --
22 CHAIRPERSON BELL: Sir, that's not an issue
23 that we can address as you know.
24 MR. MIMS: I just thought I'd ask.
25 CHAIRPERSON BELL: That's an issue they're
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1 dealing with. And you already met with the right
2 people. So, we can move on.
3 COMMISSIONER CRAWFORD: Through the Chair, on
4 that issue of lighting -- and I might put a little light
5 on the subject from a personal perspective. The City of
6 Detroit put in new lighting on my block, which is blocks
7 from here, just a few blocks from here; and that was
8 some -- I guess it was three months ago. That lighting
9 that they put in two doors down and across the street,
10 new pole, new light, it only stayed on for one night.
11 Called the City of Detroit, told them the
12 light is out. And I gave them some time. I am very
13 patient. I only made one call. The other day, came on.
14 That light is back on. So, it took them a while. It
15 took them five, six weeks to get out and repair it. And
16 I do attribute some of that due to the weather and, you
17 know, they are making their way around to getting it
18 fixed, that particular light.
19 But I will add that if you think the lighting
20 is insufficient now, wait until the leaves come on the
21 trees. I'm serious. You will see a big difference. I
22 mean, so what you're -- your personal liking, I don't
23 know. But when those trees -- leaves come on those
24 trees, it's going to illuminate less.
25 CHAIRPERSON BELL: Let us move on from the
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1 lighting. It's an issue on going. But it's a drastic
2 improvement. We cannot solve all the issues in the city
3 of Detroit in a short period of time. But it's due
4 diligence in reference to that issue. So, service is
5 drastically improved. We all know that. So let us try
6 to abide by that and respect the process. If we have
7 concern, we know who to call in terms of dealing with
8 that.
9 MS. SMITH: Bernice Smith. Good evening,
10 Bernice Smith, member of the Police Advisory Committee.
11 The young man was with me at Tappas. And I told him
12 then to go see the council. So, I don't know why he's
13 come here.
14 But anyway, there's two things that are on my
15 mind. I agree with having the monitors for the police.
16 Definitely we need it. We need it all over the United
17 States as far as that concern. Maybe it would cut down
18 on some of the police brutality.
19 Now, for the young lady that mentioned the
20 fact that she is scared; well, I am scared too. But I
21 am a fighter. So, I suggest to her to see not only our
22 dear Judge Conrad Mallet. He could get in touch with
23 Mr. Gilbert who has bought over 70 buildings in our city
24 and also Reverend Vann. Reverend Vann I'm sure would
25 help you with getting a bus for Mrs. Green.
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1 So, these are things that -- utilize those
2 people that we have that's in front of us, all right,
3 because I know Conrad Mallet is very heavy with the big
4 shots down in midtown where I live. So, I know about
5 him. Then I'm sure that he can talk, make a telephone
6 call. What did the governor -- mayor do the other day?
7 He made a telephone call, and they bought the building,
8 right?
9 So, you see Conrad, right there. He'll get in
10 touch with Mr. Gilbert, and he'll help you out. And for
11 this young lady, I think we need to give her some advice
12 also. Our chief here, he can definitely help you in
13 your situation. And, Reverend Vann, help this woman
14 with getting a bus, baby. All right. I thank you very
15 much.
16 CHAIRPERSON BELL: Thank you. I think we are
17 at the point of closing out. I just want to -- I just
18 want to -- talk afterwards, please. I just want to
19 thank all of you for coming out. I appreciate it. It's
20 been a two-hour meeting, but it's been a rewarding
21 meeting. And I just really appreciate your attention
22 span and how respectful you were in terms of coming to
23 the mic and being patient to listen to the speakers and
24 indulgent of the commissioners.
25 I want to definitely thank my commissioners
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1 and also assistant chief in reference to command officer
2 and the captain or sergeant. It has been a really great
3 meeting. So, we looking forward to more interaction.
4 We know we can do more. But that's why we are here, you
5 know, in terms of giving of ourself. And that's
6 commitment. But in the spirit of Detroit, we cannot
7 deny there's a drastic change in reference to how we
8 handle city service.
9 I want to give credit to our mayor, credit to
10 our council, credit to our city clerk and credit to our
11 Chief Craig in terms of DPD and the rank and file, and
12 you. The bottom line, if you are still here, you are
13 still committed. And I just want to acknowledge this.
14 And if anything we can do as commissioners, we are
15 willing to cooperate with you.
16 And I'm hoping that the commission can spend
17 ten minutes with you in terms of not leaving the
18 building and the church right away because we do have --
19 Willie Hamilton, come forward. Do we have some
20 refreshments? You don't have all that food for us to
21 just walk out the door. Would you make that
22 announcement, please?
23 MR. HAMILTON: Okay. So, as you leave out of
24 here, go right across the hall to the fellowship hall,
25 and they have food for you over there. And that's on
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1 behalf of Deacon Ellis in charge over there. But still
2 on behalf of our pastor, good to have all of you here.
3 And we'll bless the food too and dismiss.
4 CHAIRPERSON BELL: Yes. We are going to
5 stand. A motion to adjourn. We are going to proceed to
6 the hall and break bread. Will you close us out with
7 it?
8 REVEREND HAMILTON: Okay. Heavenly father, we
9 come to thank you for this opportunity today. We thank
10 you for blessing us today. We thank you for the
11 Commission Board here. We thank you for the input from
12 each area, each member here to represent each district.
13 We thank you for your love and your guidance. We ask
14 you also to continue to love each one and form a
15 protective hedge around them. Also keep us in your
16 unity to come together even more. That would be a
17 benefit for our city and for our mayor. We thank you
18 for our pastor here, and also we thank you for the food
19 that has been prepared for us, that it would nourish our
20 body. In Jesus' blessed name we pray and we ask that
21 you continue to keep us. In Jesus' name we pay, amen.
22 CHAIRPERSON BELL: Amen. Commissioner, a
23 motion to adjourn?
24 COMMISSIONER VANN: So moved.
25 COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Second.
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3 COMMISSIONERS: Aye.
4 CHAIRPERSON BELL: Opposed? Motion carried.
5 We stand adjourned to fellowship.
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