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Spaced Out Radio - June 2_16 - UFOs and Disclosure with Victor Viggiani_GkS8C413GGw - transcript (automated).txt[19/06/2019 12:26:54]

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200:00:28,559 --> 00:00:36,509little brother has taken control

300:00:31,940 --> 00:00:45,510shoveling dirt every hole predators to

400:00:36,509 --> 00:00:49,320become your soul watching you and the

500:00:45,509 --> 00:00:52,409Soudan so frustrated a million armies of

600:00:49,320 --> 00:00:55,670one have invaded watching you and

700:00:52,409 --> 00:00:55,669watching me

800:01:02,340 --> 00:01:06,180we'll be long

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1100:01:26,049 --> 00:01:32,370the little brother wants to make

1200:01:28,150 --> 00:01:32,370headlines fear mortalized

1300:01:33,219 --> 00:01:38,819everyone's got an electric eye we're at

1400:01:35,769 --> 00:01:38,819the Digital spy's


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1700:01:54,519 --> 00:01:57,619[Applause]

1800:02:01,709 --> 00:02:08,709[Applause]

1900:02:04,420 --> 00:02:11,170we the people have taken over we the

2000:02:08,709 --> 00:02:16,920people are the tow brother

2100:02:11,169 --> 00:02:16,919stand by to throne each other watching

2200:02:21,539 --> 00:02:28,449us for attention democratize by oh boy

2300:02:25,719 --> 00:02:31,068your obsessions watching you and

2400:02:28,449 --> 00:02:33,908watching me

2500:02:31,068 --> 00:02:33,908super

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2700:02:38,739 --> 00:02:42,250every flaw

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3100:03:02,169 --> 00:03:08,439little brother wants to make headlines

3200:03:04,430 --> 00:03:08,439we're motorized

3300:03:09,219 --> 00:03:13,609everyone's got an electric eye where the

3400:03:11,919 --> 00:03:23,698digital spy

3500:03:13,610 --> 00:03:23,699[Music]

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3800:03:57,000 --> 00:03:59,810Wow

3900:04:01,240 --> 00:04:07,490totalitarian state a thousand eyes are

4000:04:04,490 --> 00:04:12,760waiting for you to break the stay and I

4100:04:07,490 --> 00:04:12,760don't make a mistake we're watching

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5500:05:27,629 --> 00:05:34,089but your experience begin right now

5600:05:31,709 --> 00:05:36,189from high atop the mountains of British

5700:05:34,089 --> 00:05:36,728Columbia to you listening around the


5800:05:36,189 --> 00:05:39,879world

5900:05:36,728 --> 00:05:42,300this is spaced-out radio you can follow

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6600:06:07,978 --> 00:06:12,149we break on commanders

6700:06:12,610 --> 00:06:18,199buckle up space travelers it's time to

6800:06:15,649 --> 00:06:21,579go for a ride as we are live on

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7200:07:16,589 --> 00:07:20,279good evening and welcome to spaced out

7300:07:18,120 --> 00:07:22,199radio tonight I am your host Dave Scott

7400:07:20,279 --> 00:07:24,209and thank you so much for tuning in and

7500:07:22,199 --> 00:07:26,879listening at the spaced-out radios

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8000:07:33,300 --> 00:07:35,759literally there was just a deer outside

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8200:07:35,759 --> 00:07:41,069sidestep Bigfoot and enter uncle Jimbo's

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8400:07:41,069 --> 00:07:44,550and broadcast you live on this Thursday

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13400:09:31,179 --> 00:09:36,309happening later this month June 24th to

13500:09:33,580 --> 00:09:38,23026 in Brantford Ontario Canada the

13600:09:36,309 --> 00:09:40,959three-day event will be a breakdown of

13700:09:38,230 --> 00:09:43,360experiences from a contact experiences

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00:09:53,049 --> 00:09:58,179on the air live with us like tonight's

14400:09:55,330 --> 00:10:00,120guest Zealand Communications Victor VG

14500:09:58,179 --> 00:10:02,919on e victor is a much respected

14600:10:00,120 --> 00:10:06,039researcher in the field of ufology on

14700:10:02,919 --> 00:10:07,000his website zealand communications blog

14800:10:06,039 --> 00:10:09,039spot.com

14900:10:07,000 --> 00:10:10,750Victor breaks down everything from

15000:10:09,039 --> 00:10:12,459government reports to following the

15100:10:10,750 --> 00:10:14,350intense coverage of what's happening

15200:10:12,460 --> 00:10:16,360south of the border with John Podesta

15300:10:14,350 --> 00:10:19,690and Hillary Clinton as part of their

15400:10:16,360 --> 00:10:22,060campaign is disclosure of UFO ET reports

15500:10:19,690 --> 00:10:23,740with any accomplishment of disclosure

15600:10:22,059 --> 00:10:26,049there are not only has to be pressure

15700:10:23,740 --> 00:10:28,450


from the public but the mainstream media

15800:10:26,049 --> 00:10:29,769has to get on board as well we'll see

15900:10:28,450 --> 00:10:32,259how that goes

16000:10:29,769 --> 00:10:34,659we'll talk to see if the truth is

16100:10:32,259 --> 00:10:36,730actually working and for those like

16200:10:34,659 --> 00:10:39,730Victor who want the truth out there is

16300:10:36,730 --> 00:10:41,620the media truly doing their job we bring

16400:10:39,730 --> 00:10:43,779in Victor VG on e now to spaced-out

16500:10:41,620 --> 00:10:46,450Radio Victor thank you so much for being

16600:10:43,779 --> 00:10:48,220with us tonight how are you just fine

16700:10:46,450 --> 00:10:49,990thank you very much for having me on

16800:10:48,220 --> 00:10:53,410Dave I do really appreciate it and it's

16900:10:49,990 --> 00:10:56,710great to have so many people like me in

17000:10:53,409 --> 00:10:59,469and and hopefully uh listening to the

17100:10:56,710 --> 00:11:01,000flow of events that are leasing I guess


17200:10:59,470 --> 00:11:02,500you know leading us all towards some

17300:11:01,000 --> 00:11:04,809sort of disclosure event and that's what

17400:11:02,500 --> 00:11:06,940it's all about well I have to tell you I

17500:11:04,809 --> 00:11:08,649was pretty excited when Bob Mitchell

17600:11:06,940 --> 00:11:11,320who's been on this show about four times

17700:11:08,649 --> 00:11:13,720in the last three months now actually

17800:11:11,320 --> 00:11:15,190approached me and said Dave you know

17900:11:13,720 --> 00:11:17,850what you're you're one of the only

18000:11:15,190 --> 00:11:21,160Canadian shows that talks about this

18100:11:17,850 --> 00:11:24,730subject let alone the only Canadian show

18200:11:21,159 --> 00:11:26,980that goes seven days a week we want you

18300:11:24,730 --> 00:11:28,629guys to help us out with coverage and

18400:11:26,980 --> 00:11:30,610we'll return the favor by helping you

18500:11:28,629 --> 00:11:32,860guys bring in a bunch of speakers and


18600:11:30,610 --> 00:11:35,980guests well that's a fair trade for me

18700:11:32,860 --> 00:11:38,499either what I'm saying because I think

18800:11:35,980 --> 00:11:40,239in our country Victor

18900:11:38,499 --> 00:11:42,189most of our listeners are south of the

19000:11:40,239 --> 00:11:45,639border and around the world but in our

19100:11:42,188 --> 00:11:48,158country in particular the talk of UFOs

19200:11:45,639 --> 00:11:50,769is still taboo the talk of

19300:11:48,158 --> 00:11:53,408extraterrestrial contact is still kind

19400:11:50,769 --> 00:11:55,479of under the table type conversation and

19500:11:53,408 --> 00:11:57,188I want to get into that with you tonight

19600:11:55,479 --> 00:11:59,169maybe later I've been a little bit later

19700:11:57,188 --> 00:12:01,448in on the show but first let's introduce

19800:11:59,168 --> 00:12:04,058you to our audience you're with Zealand

19900:12:01,448 --> 00:12:05,678Communications it's your little baby

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00:12:04,058 --> 00:12:08,649that you have going tell us about

20100:12:05,678 --> 00:12:11,078Zealand well essentially Zealand

20200:12:08,649 --> 00:12:12,188Communications is a is the only Canadian

20300:12:11,078 --> 00:12:14,108news network

20400:12:12,188 --> 00:12:16,808that deals with the issue that we're

20500:12:14,109 --> 00:12:18,819talking about tonight and essentially

20600:12:16,808 --> 00:12:21,879we're all about you know obtaining and

20700:12:18,818 --> 00:12:25,028distributing as much information as

20800:12:21,879 --> 00:12:26,558possible about the the the idea that we

20900:12:25,028 --> 00:12:28,899are being engaged by offworld

21000:12:26,558 --> 00:12:32,769civilisations there's no other news

21100:12:28,899 --> 00:12:35,198organization in Canada and I I will say

21200:12:32,769 --> 00:12:37,839I will go so far to say that in the

21300:12:35,198 --> 00:12:39,548world that deals with this issue in the

21400:12:37,839 --> 00:12:42,879


same way the zeal and communications

21500:12:39,548 --> 00:12:46,838does we're a one-stop shopping place to

21600:12:42,879 --> 00:12:48,970to come and look at all the issues we

21700:12:46,839 --> 00:12:51,039constantly published press releases

21800:12:48,970 --> 00:12:54,639we're doing a lot of that with regard to

21900:12:51,038 --> 00:12:57,578the to the alien cosmic expo and we also

22000:12:54,639 --> 00:13:01,028distribute information that's as current

22100:12:57,578 --> 00:13:05,348in the in the UFO field I really don't

22200:13:01,028 --> 00:13:07,269like that the term UFO but I guess we

22300:13:05,349 --> 00:13:11,799use it because it's familiar to everyone

22400:13:07,269 --> 00:13:13,599I tend to really look at the the idea as

22500:13:11,798 --> 00:13:16,178far as Zeeland Communications is

22600:13:13,599 --> 00:13:19,809concerned look at the idea that we are

22700:13:16,178 --> 00:13:23,408being engaged by extraterrestrials

22800:13:19,808 --> 00:13:25,509excuse me and that to me is the essence


22900:13:23,408 --> 00:13:27,609of what we do this engagement by

23000:13:25,509 --> 00:13:29,619offworld civilization is the key issues

23100:13:27,609 --> 00:13:32,439we're not really talking about funny

23200:13:29,619 --> 00:13:33,849lights in the sky or you know accounting

23300:13:32,438 --> 00:13:36,368lights in the sky and what the weather

23400:13:33,849 --> 00:13:38,769was like and you know uncle Martha and

23500:13:36,369 --> 00:13:40,959at Fred sitting on the back porch you

23600:13:38,769 --> 00:13:42,959know looking at some orbit happening I

23700:13:40,958 --> 00:13:45,578mean that's all very very fascinating

23800:13:42,958 --> 00:13:48,518very important in a lot of ways but it

23900:13:45,578 --> 00:13:50,618doesn't lead us to an understanding of

24000:13:48,519 --> 00:13:51,850what's really going on and what is

24100:13:50,619 --> 00:13:55,930really on is this

24200:13:51,850 --> 00:13:58,870a political idea a political situation


24300:13:55,929 --> 00:14:01,179that were involved in the engagement of

24400:13:58,870 --> 00:14:03,399these awful civilizations is a political

24500:14:01,179 --> 00:14:05,469situation and that's the way we treat it

24600:14:03,399 --> 00:14:08,740we want to politicize this issue and

24700:14:05,470 --> 00:14:10,209make the news media understand that we

24800:14:08,740 --> 00:14:12,759are being engaged by our world

24900:14:10,208 --> 00:14:15,369civilizations and UFOs are only one

25000:14:12,759 --> 00:14:18,519manifestation of that and a lot of times

25100:14:15,370 --> 00:14:20,948people kind of I think they confuse the

25200:14:18,519 --> 00:14:23,500issues by talking UFO all the time and

25300:14:20,948 --> 00:14:26,528the the terminology unidentified flying

25400:14:23,500 --> 00:14:29,110object in it in fact is a misnomer these

25500:14:26,528 --> 00:14:31,809are not unidentified flying objects they

25600:14:29,110 --> 00:14:33,550are we know what they are now people

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00:14:31,809 --> 00:14:35,708will say well yeah you know what it's

25800:14:33,549 --> 00:14:37,479government stuff government likes

25900:14:35,708 --> 00:14:40,539government vehicles or whatever well

26000:14:37,480 --> 00:14:43,600that may be true to a certain extent at

26100:14:40,539 --> 00:14:46,269the present time however over the the

26200:14:43,600 --> 00:14:49,990course of history as far back as the the

26300:14:46,269 --> 00:14:52,149late 1800s we know that these so-called

26400:14:49,990 --> 00:14:54,990funny links in the sky manifested

26500:14:52,149 --> 00:14:58,028themselves and they in fact were the the

26600:14:54,990 --> 00:15:00,278extraterrestrials of history and that's

26700:14:58,028 --> 00:15:02,500what we want to deal with how these

26800:15:00,278 --> 00:15:04,720things have been interacting with us

26900:15:02,500 --> 00:15:06,309these offworld civilizations have been

27000:15:04,720 --> 00:15:08,949interacting with us for literally

27100:15:06,309 --> 00:15:11,409


hundreds if not thousands of years day

27200:15:08,948 --> 00:15:13,299and a lot of people missed that point so

27300:15:11,409 --> 00:15:14,559when we talk about UFOs and they say

27400:15:13,299 --> 00:15:17,979well there's only government fly

27500:15:14,559 --> 00:15:21,549machines that only sort of applies right

27600:15:17,980 --> 00:15:24,100now to the current situation because has

27700:15:21,549 --> 00:15:26,349had the opportunity to put together a

27800:15:24,100 --> 00:15:27,879lot of these back-engineered types of

27900:15:26,350 --> 00:15:30,819vehicles these things I've seen them

28000:15:27,879 --> 00:15:34,809myself I've been to area 51 I've seen at

28100:15:30,818 --> 00:15:36,938least six different types of so-called

28200:15:34,809 --> 00:15:39,278UFOs or whatever you want to call them

28300:15:36,938 --> 00:15:41,438or back-engineered I know what they look

28400:15:39,278 --> 00:15:43,240like but the fact of the matter is they

28500:15:41,438 --> 00:15:45,338do not necessarily represent the


28600:15:43,240 --> 00:15:48,068extra-terrestrial presence they're only

28700:15:45,339 --> 00:15:50,860a shadow of it so as ELA communications

28800:15:48,068 --> 00:15:54,969tries to do is look at this situation as

28900:15:50,860 --> 00:15:58,000a political idea that all have to look

29000:15:54,970 --> 00:16:01,059at it in terms of being engaged by our

29100:15:58,000 --> 00:16:03,578galactic community that is knocking at

29200:16:01,058 --> 00:16:04,759our door and unfortunately the news

29300:16:03,578 --> 00:16:07,099media and the the

29400:16:04,759 --> 00:16:10,159Oh heavy weights and our government are

29500:16:07,100 --> 00:16:11,779not answering the door these people have

29600:16:10,159 --> 00:16:13,669been knocking on our door for four

29700:16:11,779 --> 00:16:16,730decades if the hundreds of years and

29800:16:13,669 --> 00:16:19,789we're there are our political people are

29900:16:16,730 --> 00:16:22,879ignoring this this this entreaty in this


30000:16:19,789 --> 00:16:24,949kind of contact and it's it's a very sad

30100:16:22,879 --> 00:16:28,519situation so zeal and communication

30200:16:24,950 --> 00:16:30,950attempts to really get at the fix of the

30300:16:28,519 --> 00:16:33,949so called UFO et phenomenon so that's

30400:16:30,950 --> 00:16:35,720what we're all about basically and I can

30500:16:33,950 --> 00:16:38,570appreciate that and there is so much

30600:16:35,720 --> 00:16:40,519more about the experiencer and you're

30700:16:38,570 --> 00:16:43,340going more on the government disclosure

30800:16:40,519 --> 00:16:46,250political side that is your angle with

30900:16:43,340 --> 00:16:49,550it but a lot of people Victor right now

31000:16:46,250 --> 00:16:52,159are really taking the people who are

31100:16:49,549 --> 00:16:54,679having these experiences and shoving and

31200:16:52,159 --> 00:16:57,019kind of shoving them to the side saying

31300:16:54,679 --> 00:17:00,199you know what we understand things are

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00:16:57,019 --> 00:17:03,429happening to you but in the real world

31500:17:00,200 --> 00:17:07,250you're not as important as you once were

31600:17:03,429 --> 00:17:10,849you know now in the 60s 70s we had Benny

31700:17:07,250 --> 00:17:13,190and Barney Hill we had Travis Walton

31800:17:10,849 --> 00:17:15,469we've had other people step up with

31900:17:13,190 --> 00:17:16,578their contact why do you think there's

32000:17:15,470 --> 00:17:19,039been a shift today

32100:17:16,578 --> 00:17:21,680in the fact that there are so many

32200:17:19,039 --> 00:17:24,470researchers out there basically telling

32300:17:21,680 --> 00:17:27,650experiencers you're no longer important

32400:17:24,470 --> 00:17:30,559compared to where it is today where

32500:17:27,650 --> 00:17:33,019disclosure happens to be the main focus

32600:17:30,559 --> 00:17:34,730with everybody well that's a really good

32700:17:33,019 --> 00:17:38,869point and we should spend a few moments

32800:17:34,730 --> 00:17:41,779


on that because it your your statement

32900:17:38,869 --> 00:17:43,909that you know some researchers are are

33000:17:41,779 --> 00:17:47,750sort of dismissing or at least ignoring

33100:17:43,910 --> 00:17:50,509or giving giving the contact these

33200:17:47,750 --> 00:17:53,240little little time nothing could be more

33300:17:50,509 --> 00:17:56,680wrong and a lot of times when I'm on

33400:17:53,240 --> 00:18:00,440radio programs like this I already state

33500:17:56,680 --> 00:18:02,150contact has been made you know we're

33600:18:00,440 --> 00:18:04,820always waiting for that that so-called

33700:18:02,150 --> 00:18:07,120vehicle to land on the White House lawn

33800:18:04,819 --> 00:18:10,159that whole kind of that that image

33900:18:07,119 --> 00:18:13,339nothing could be further from the truth

34000:18:10,160 --> 00:18:15,740contact has been made and the people who

34100:18:13,339 --> 00:18:18,549have had these experiences as John as

34200:18:15,740 --> 00:18:21,529John Mack calls them experiencers


34300:18:18,549 --> 00:18:23,960they're the ones that have had the

34400:18:21,529 --> 00:18:25,509contact the these are the ones that have

34500:18:23,960 --> 00:18:27,319had contact with the offworld

34600:18:25,509 --> 00:18:31,460civilizations that are knocking on our

34700:18:27,319 --> 00:18:34,250door and they're being I guess spoken to

34800:18:31,460 --> 00:18:36,920or provided with experiences to

34900:18:34,250 --> 00:18:39,380enlighten them as to why all of this

35000:18:36,920 --> 00:18:41,630contact is being made and they're the

35100:18:39,380 --> 00:18:47,170ambassador's they're the one for the

35200:18:41,630 --> 00:18:50,980emissaries for contact so I I dealt with

35300:18:47,170 --> 00:18:54,259probably in my past about sixteen

35400:18:50,980 --> 00:18:57,500experiencers and in in the past and

35500:18:54,259 --> 00:18:59,240helped you know kind of guide them and

35600:18:57,500 --> 00:19:00,619listen to them that's all that's all


35700:18:59,240 --> 00:19:02,059they want they want to be listened to

35800:19:00,619 --> 00:19:04,519they don't necessarily want any

35900:19:02,059 --> 00:19:07,429notoriety and that's another thing that

36000:19:04,519 --> 00:19:08,960the sort of a marker of it the contactee

36100:19:07,430 --> 00:19:11,299they they're really not the people

36200:19:08,960 --> 00:19:13,009they're not the flag wavers so they do

36300:19:11,299 --> 00:19:15,379it in a silent way so it's up to people

36400:19:13,009 --> 00:19:17,269like you and I to put these people in

36500:19:15,380 --> 00:19:19,520the forefront and say listen these

36600:19:17,269 --> 00:19:21,740experiences are real there's something

36700:19:19,519 --> 00:19:24,139going on and this is where contact is

36800:19:21,740 --> 00:19:28,130being made and once disclosure does

36900:19:24,140 --> 00:19:31,430occur will be a political force that

37000:19:28,130 --> 00:19:35,570makes disclosure a real entity within

371


00:19:31,430 --> 00:19:38,150society it will be the thing that ramps

37200:19:35,569 --> 00:19:40,250up and makes the rest of society stand

37300:19:38,150 --> 00:19:41,780up and listen and look at what's going

37400:19:40,250 --> 00:19:44,089on in terms of the politics of the

37500:19:41,779 --> 00:19:46,670situation but when the general public

37600:19:44,089 --> 00:19:49,250finds out and realizes it comes to

37700:19:46,670 --> 00:19:51,410really understand that these experiences

37800:19:49,250 --> 00:19:53,720are the ones that have made contact it

37900:19:51,410 --> 00:19:56,660will completely change the whole

38000:19:53,720 --> 00:19:58,730character of this closure event so

38100:19:56,660 --> 00:20:00,769wrapped up in disclosure is the fact

38200:19:58,730 --> 00:20:02,809that we have human beings who have

38300:20:00,769 --> 00:20:05,960already been contacted by opera

38400:20:02,809 --> 00:20:08,919civilizations and that will become part

38500:20:05,960 --> 00:20:11,090


and parcel of the disclosure event and

38600:20:08,920 --> 00:20:12,740everything that's leading up to it and

38700:20:11,089 --> 00:20:14,569the way disclosure is being portrayed

38800:20:12,740 --> 00:20:16,849now in the way the talk is about

38900:20:14,569 --> 00:20:19,789disclosure is eventually going to be a

39000:20:16,849 --> 00:20:22,879realization that there are in fact human

39100:20:19,789 --> 00:20:25,009beings that have differences with off

39200:20:22,880 --> 00:20:26,840world civilization directly not just

39300:20:25,009 --> 00:20:30,069watching lights on the sky but these

39400:20:26,839 --> 00:20:32,279people have felt tasted heard and

39500:20:30,069 --> 00:20:36,240experienced the entire

39600:20:32,279 --> 00:20:38,369a spectrum of extraterrestrial contact

39700:20:36,240 --> 00:20:40,140they're the ones that are that are being

39800:20:38,369 --> 00:20:41,789taken there they're being examined

39900:20:40,140 --> 00:20:44,910they're the ones that are being provided


40000:20:41,789 --> 00:20:48,210the first contact why the ETS are doing

40100:20:44,910 --> 00:20:49,830this we're not really sure what sense is

40200:20:48,210 --> 00:20:51,630there to to what they're doing with it

40300:20:49,829 --> 00:20:54,179with the with humanity is that it is it

40400:20:51,630 --> 00:20:56,730a benevolent thing is it is it something

40500:20:54,180 --> 00:20:59,370that's cost but we just don't know and

40600:20:56,730 --> 00:21:01,049we're trying to figure that out and the

40700:20:59,369 --> 00:21:02,489contact these are the ones that

40800:21:01,049 --> 00:21:06,000eventually we'll be able to tell the

40900:21:02,490 --> 00:21:08,759full story and that makes sense and I

41000:21:06,000 --> 00:21:10,829agree with you that disclosure is

41100:21:08,759 --> 00:21:13,140already happening because contact has

41200:21:10,829 --> 00:21:15,149already happened it's happening every

41300:21:13,140 --> 00:21:19,160night to hundreds of thousands of people


41400:21:15,150 --> 00:21:22,110in North America let alone the world and

41500:21:19,160 --> 00:21:24,120even doing this show Victor we have to

41600:21:22,109 --> 00:21:27,629be careful and we have to vet people

41700:21:24,119 --> 00:21:29,699because it's not interesting to talk

41800:21:27,630 --> 00:21:31,860about somebody who saw three lights in

41900:21:29,700 --> 00:21:35,430the sky make a curve and then disappear

42000:21:31,859 --> 00:21:37,679back in 1989 in the middle of Northwest

42100:21:35,430 --> 00:21:39,990Territories and the sighting lasted two

42200:21:37,680 --> 00:21:44,160seconds mm-hmm you know there's nothing

42300:21:39,990 --> 00:21:46,500there for us we need it yeah that's

42400:21:44,160 --> 00:21:48,990right that used to be cool at one time

42500:21:46,500 --> 00:21:52,170that that was wow that was a big WOW

42600:21:48,990 --> 00:21:54,450event but that has become sort of passe

42700:21:52,170 --> 00:21:56,370now I you know it's it's hard to release

428


00:21:54,450 --> 00:21:58,470you know it's unfortunate that we have

42900:21:56,369 --> 00:22:00,119to say that because a sighting event is

43000:21:58,470 --> 00:22:03,269important there's no doubt about it

43100:22:00,119 --> 00:22:06,509it is important but too many people get

43200:22:03,269 --> 00:22:08,490too wrapped up in the idea of cataloging

43300:22:06,509 --> 00:22:11,129these sightings and making a big deal

43400:22:08,490 --> 00:22:13,049about these things we have to move past

43500:22:11,130 --> 00:22:16,260that and that's one of the reasons that

43600:22:13,049 --> 00:22:20,490I'm very very critical of the mutual UFO

43700:22:16,259 --> 00:22:23,579network MUFON I've always had a very

43800:22:20,490 --> 00:22:25,799kind of sore spot for that organization

43900:22:23,579 --> 00:22:29,460although when I began this whole thing

44000:22:25,799 --> 00:22:32,609back in 1975 I was I was sort of

44100:22:29,460 --> 00:22:34,470co-opted by MUFON Canada to be part of

44200:22:32,609 --> 00:22:35,909


their organization I said well yeah fine

44300:22:34,470 --> 00:22:37,470let's give that a try and see what it's

44400:22:35,910 --> 00:22:39,870all about because I knew very very

44500:22:37,470 --> 00:22:42,809little back in 1975 about all of this

44600:22:39,869 --> 00:22:44,159and I got to realize that MUFON really

44700:22:42,809 --> 00:22:45,869wasn't a think-tank

44800:22:44,160 --> 00:22:48,779MUFON was not a

44900:22:45,869 --> 00:22:51,449little activated a politically activated

45000:22:48,779 --> 00:22:52,920entity all they wanted to do was was go

45100:22:51,450 --> 00:22:54,900and do sighting reports and that's where

45200:22:52,920 --> 00:22:56,850it ended they did nothing about any of

45300:22:54,900 --> 00:22:59,880those kinds of things and once I got to

45400:22:56,849 --> 00:23:03,119say to see that this was a political

45500:22:59,880 --> 00:23:05,309situation this was a politicized version

45600:23:03,119 --> 00:23:09,509of reality then it began to see how


45700:23:05,308 --> 00:23:11,970off-base MUFON whoops and organization

45800:23:09,509 --> 00:23:15,210and I don't have really any any real

45900:23:11,970 --> 00:23:17,549great fond respect for for for what

46000:23:15,210 --> 00:23:19,860MUFON does no I I do have friends that

46100:23:17,549 --> 00:23:21,720are in MUFON I you know and I respect

46200:23:19,859 --> 00:23:24,149what they do in a sense of their of

46300:23:21,720 --> 00:23:26,940their tenacity but they've got to go a

46400:23:24,150 --> 00:23:30,900step further and become a political

46500:23:26,940 --> 00:23:32,730entity if MUFON Canada or MUFON

46600:23:30,900 --> 00:23:35,160throughout the world in North America

46700:23:32,730 --> 00:23:37,799were to take were to step up to the

46800:23:35,160 --> 00:23:40,830microphone and engage the media you know

46900:23:37,799 --> 00:23:43,319the the dan Aykroyd zuv the world and if

47000:23:40,829 --> 00:23:45,240the Dinaric wrote it you know I wouldn't


47100:23:43,319 --> 00:23:47,669treat him he is one of the most

47200:23:45,240 --> 00:23:51,450importantly could be one of the most

47300:23:47,670 --> 00:23:53,640important people in Hollywood regarding

47400:23:51,450 --> 00:23:56,340this whole issue we need celebrity and

47500:23:53,640 --> 00:23:58,410to come forward and say folks listen to

47600:23:56,339 --> 00:24:00,899what's going on pay attention

47700:23:58,410 --> 00:24:03,390but unfortunately Dan is just taking a

47800:24:00,900 --> 00:24:05,309back seat and he's not coming forward to

47900:24:03,390 --> 00:24:08,040to be the political entity as a

48000:24:05,308 --> 00:24:10,259celebrity that he could so um he could

48100:24:08,039 --> 00:24:12,539be a severe activist in all this and

48200:24:10,259 --> 00:24:14,099really turn this thing upside down and

48300:24:12,539 --> 00:24:16,339literally minutes by calling a press

48400:24:14,099 --> 00:24:20,789conference and Inc oh the other

485


00:24:16,339 --> 00:24:23,879Hollywood you know celebrities that a

48600:24:20,789 --> 00:24:26,369have had experiences of themselves we

48700:24:23,880 --> 00:24:28,650know that there are Hollywood people and

48800:24:26,369 --> 00:24:30,689others are people of notoriety who have

48900:24:28,650 --> 00:24:32,759had experiences now I'm not sure of Dan

49000:24:30,690 --> 00:24:34,890has or not but we know that they they

49100:24:32,759 --> 00:24:37,109have to be included sports figures you

49200:24:34,890 --> 00:24:39,360go all the way that through the whole

49300:24:37,109 --> 00:24:41,428spectrum there are a lot of important

49400:24:39,359 --> 00:24:43,949people that have gone through the same

49500:24:41,429 --> 00:24:46,559experiences that some of the contactees

49600:24:43,950 --> 00:24:49,019that you and I know but for some reason

49700:24:46,558 --> 00:24:51,539there seems to be a lid on that kind of

49800:24:49,019 --> 00:24:53,579information so with all due respect to

49900:24:51,539 --> 00:24:55,470


what MUFON does they have to step up to

50000:24:53,579 --> 00:24:58,049the plate and really be counted to

50100:24:55,470 --> 00:25:00,630become a politicized entity within this

50200:24:58,049 --> 00:25:02,639whole issue and I

50300:25:00,630 --> 00:25:06,330well like the Dan Akroyd zuv the world

50400:25:02,640 --> 00:25:08,940were to step forward this would be on 60

50500:25:06,329 --> 00:25:11,189minutes it would be on Dateline it would

50600:25:08,940 --> 00:25:14,940be on all the major television shows in

50700:25:11,190 --> 00:25:17,160a heartbeat so it's it's important that

50800:25:14,940 --> 00:25:19,259we understand who's really doing the

50900:25:17,160 --> 00:25:21,750hard work here you know who's got the

51000:25:19,259 --> 00:25:23,339information who's got all the catalogued

51100:25:21,750 --> 00:25:24,869in for me this one does but what are

51200:25:23,339 --> 00:25:26,849they doing with it as far as I'm

51300:25:24,869 --> 00:25:28,769concerned they're doing nothing with it


51400:25:26,849 --> 00:25:31,169and I will continue to be critical of

51500:25:28,769 --> 00:25:34,700MUFON until they wake up smell the roses

51600:25:31,170 --> 00:25:37,170and do what's right and step up to the

51700:25:34,700 --> 00:25:39,509victor do you believe MUFON has been

51800:25:37,170 --> 00:25:42,690infiltrated and the reason why I ask you

51900:25:39,509 --> 00:25:45,059that is because there are rumors that

52000:25:42,690 --> 00:25:46,710high above not the field investigators

52100:25:45,059 --> 00:25:50,879and we've had a number of them on this

52200:25:46,710 --> 00:25:52,950show right the higher-ups led by Robert

52300:25:50,880 --> 00:25:54,990Bigelow who is apparently funding it

52400:25:52,950 --> 00:25:57,420he's also the owner of the skinwalker

52500:25:54,990 --> 00:26:01,339ranch there seems to be political ties

52600:25:57,420 --> 00:26:05,090up above in MUFON where the real true

52700:26:01,339 --> 00:26:08,579breath-taking reports of experience of


52800:26:05,089 --> 00:26:10,829contact of landings isn't really getting

52900:26:08,579 --> 00:26:12,419reported the way it should have you

53000:26:10,829 --> 00:26:15,750heard of that or do you believe then

53100:26:12,420 --> 00:26:18,269that MUFON could be infiltrated by some

53200:26:15,750 --> 00:26:20,910alphabet government agency down south to

53300:26:18,269 --> 00:26:23,190kind of keep them quiet I can use one

53400:26:20,910 --> 00:26:27,450word absolutely and I'll tell you

53500:26:23,190 --> 00:26:30,600exactly why in 2003 Dave my wife and I

53600:26:27,450 --> 00:26:33,059went on an exchange she went on a

53700:26:30,599 --> 00:26:34,980teaching exchange to Canberra Australia

53800:26:33,059 --> 00:26:36,869we switched houses with another teacher

53900:26:34,980 --> 00:26:40,200so I'll you know we're living down in

54000:26:36,869 --> 00:26:42,269Australia for a full year in someone

54100:26:40,200 --> 00:26:44,279else who's in Canberra Australia she did

542


00:26:42,269 --> 00:26:46,879her teaching job and and I did some

54300:26:44,279 --> 00:26:48,990other research kinds of things and

54400:26:46,880 --> 00:26:51,750another person came up and lived in our

54500:26:48,990 --> 00:26:54,359house and while we were there and

54600:26:51,750 --> 00:26:56,579Canberra is the capital of Australia and

54700:26:54,359 --> 00:27:00,689while we were there she was teaching at

54800:26:56,579 --> 00:27:04,349a very high-profile school and at that

54900:27:00,690 --> 00:27:07,559school it was a private school and at

55000:27:04,349 --> 00:27:10,949the school all of the the children who

55100:27:07,559 --> 00:27:13,440are worthy were the children of the the

55200:27:10,950 --> 00:27:13,860American Embassy the United States Air

55300:27:13,440 --> 00:27:16,558Force

55400:27:13,859 --> 00:27:19,349the you know the foreign service these

55500:27:16,558 --> 00:27:21,148children went to this school and some of

55600:27:19,349 --> 00:27:22,769


them were in my wife's class we got to

55700:27:21,148 --> 00:27:26,038know the parents of these of these

55800:27:22,769 --> 00:27:28,079people and we got to know about seven or

55900:27:26,038 --> 00:27:29,759eight families different families who

56000:27:28,079 --> 00:27:31,888were directly associated with the

56100:27:29,759 --> 00:27:34,860American Embassy and with the United

56200:27:31,888 --> 00:27:37,048States Air Force a captain specifically

56300:27:34,859 --> 00:27:39,508in the United States Air Force and he

56400:27:37,048 --> 00:27:41,519would not tell me what his job was I all

56500:27:39,509 --> 00:27:43,919he would do is tell me that I work in a

56600:27:41,519 --> 00:27:46,159big barn and we have all of the

56700:27:43,919 --> 00:27:49,830information about what comes and goes

56800:27:46,159 --> 00:27:52,169with it he within the atmosphere as as

56900:27:49,829 --> 00:27:54,449far as he would talk to me about the

57000:27:52,169 --> 00:27:56,850other individual that we did get to know


57100:27:54,450 --> 00:27:59,970was with the State Department he was

57200:27:56,849 --> 00:28:04,798with the CIA we sat in his office

57300:27:59,970 --> 00:28:06,569and I asked him I said um you know III

57400:28:04,798 --> 00:28:09,599meant to some very kind of different

57500:28:06,569 --> 00:28:11,579sort of political stuff back in Canada

57600:28:09,599 --> 00:28:14,099and here to his Oh what would that be I

57700:28:11,579 --> 00:28:16,439said well I do research on the

57800:28:14,099 --> 00:28:18,658engagement and of offworld civilizations

57900:28:16,440 --> 00:28:20,960you probably know the term is UFOs and

58000:28:18,659 --> 00:28:25,889this man sat and stared at me for about

58100:28:20,960 --> 00:28:28,558240 seconds before his his mouth opened

58200:28:25,888 --> 00:28:31,229again and his astaire was blank his

58300:28:28,558 --> 00:28:32,788stare was with steely eyed and he said

58400:28:31,230 --> 00:28:37,288we really don't want to talk about that


58500:28:32,788 --> 00:28:40,048here and I said well what do you mean I

58600:28:37,288 --> 00:28:42,599said well we can't talk about it here so

58700:28:40,048 --> 00:28:47,009we managed to talk about it on the golf

58800:28:42,599 --> 00:28:48,569course start times and directly his

58900:28:47,009 --> 00:28:51,720direct involvement in the State

59000:28:48,569 --> 00:28:55,648Department he was he told me out on the

59100:28:51,720 --> 00:28:59,038golf course twice that when he first was

59200:28:55,648 --> 00:29:03,329associated with the CIA one of his jobs

59300:28:59,038 --> 00:29:06,388was to go to all of the conferences in

59400:29:03,329 --> 00:29:07,980Wisconsin Illinois that's this the state

59500:29:06,388 --> 00:29:10,108that he worked in at the time and sit in

59600:29:07,980 --> 00:29:12,480the back and just watch and listen

59700:29:10,108 --> 00:29:15,388so if MUFON had a conference he would go

59800:29:12,480 --> 00:29:17,368to what sit listen just to find out what

599


00:29:15,388 --> 00:29:19,319the MUFON people who what they were

60000:29:17,368 --> 00:29:21,178talking about he kept his ear to the

60100:29:19,319 --> 00:29:22,798ground and he would report back to his

60200:29:21,179 --> 00:29:25,740to his authorities all here's what that

60300:29:22,798 --> 00:29:27,220this chapter of me fond believes or he

60400:29:25,740 --> 00:29:29,980would go to another conference

60500:29:27,220 --> 00:29:34,480listen he was sort of like a plant

60600:29:29,980 --> 00:29:37,150within sort of the I guess the public

60700:29:34,480 --> 00:29:38,558face of some of the the MUFON activities

60800:29:37,150 --> 00:29:41,679going on they kept their ear to the

60900:29:38,558 --> 00:29:44,408ground so that kind of revelation to me

61000:29:41,679 --> 00:29:47,230proved that the United States government

61100:29:44,409 --> 00:29:49,840is well involved in this they want to

61200:29:47,230 --> 00:29:52,120find out what we know and when you say

61300:29:49,839 --> 00:29:54,339


for it infiltrated I'm not sure if it

61400:29:52,119 --> 00:29:57,158goes quite that far it may well be done

61500:29:54,339 --> 00:29:59,529in a certain way it was in the past

61600:29:57,159 --> 00:30:02,860we know that people in the Navy and in

61700:29:59,529 --> 00:30:04,720the Air Force were in fact some of the

61800:30:02,859 --> 00:30:07,990mutant organizations within the United

61900:30:04,720 --> 00:30:09,490States but the the the association and

62000:30:07,990 --> 00:30:11,500relationship that I had with this young

62100:30:09,490 --> 00:30:14,200fellow very young a young man at the

62200:30:11,500 --> 00:30:16,869time indicated to me that the United

62300:30:14,200 --> 00:30:18,490States government is fully aware of what

62400:30:16,869 --> 00:30:21,428we're all about and they follow it very

62500:30:18,490 --> 00:30:24,429very closely so that's my confirmation

62600:30:21,429 --> 00:30:26,320that the government sources the people

62700:30:24,429 --> 00:30:28,480know exactly what's going on Dave and


62800:30:26,319 --> 00:30:29,759they keep their books they keep the

62900:30:28,480 --> 00:30:32,679pulse of what's going on in

63000:30:29,759 --> 00:30:34,750organizations like mine and you know

63100:30:32,679 --> 00:30:38,650Steve basses the paradigm research group

63200:30:34,750 --> 00:30:40,990the work of Richard Dolan and the the

63300:30:38,650 --> 00:30:43,179activity and activist nature of Paul

63400:30:40,990 --> 00:30:44,829Hellyer a Stanton Friedman all of these

63500:30:43,179 --> 00:30:47,500people they know exactly what's going on

63600:30:44,829 --> 00:30:49,240so in terms of infiltration I I don't

63700:30:47,500 --> 00:30:52,269know if it goes that far it very well

63800:30:49,240 --> 00:30:55,839might be infiltration but I know they do

63900:30:52,269 --> 00:30:58,599watch us very very very closely and in

64000:30:55,839 --> 00:31:00,220some ways you know buttons and pull

64100:30:58,599 --> 00:31:02,109strings to make sure that certain things


64200:31:00,220 --> 00:31:05,200happen and certain things do not happen

64300:31:02,109 --> 00:31:08,558I can pretty much guarantee that that is

64400:31:05,200 --> 00:31:10,390in fact the case we are with Victor V

64500:31:08,558 --> 00:31:12,250Gianni from Zealand communications

64600:31:10,390 --> 00:31:14,409tonight on spaced out radio we're gonna

64700:31:12,250 --> 00:31:16,839hop out for a first break of the night

64800:31:14,409 --> 00:31:19,210when we come back we're gonna get into a

64900:31:16,839 --> 00:31:20,349little bit more MUFON and Victor we got

65000:31:19,210 --> 00:31:22,150some questions when you were in

65100:31:20,349 --> 00:31:24,459Australia we got a few people asking if

65200:31:22,150 --> 00:31:25,990you ever went to Pine Gap down there so

65300:31:24,460 --> 00:31:28,298we're going to find out about that

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78300:36:45,309 --> 00:36:50,949talking disclosure the Canadian side of

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78500:36:50,949 --> 00:36:54,879communications we bring Victor back into

78600:36:53,079 --> 00:36:57,069the show Victor thank you so much for

78700:36:54,880 --> 00:36:59,440joining us tonight once again it's a

78800:36:57,070 --> 00:37:01,330pleasure to be with you David Victor I

78900:36:59,440 --> 00:37:03,730got a couple questions about you going

79000:37:01,329 --> 00:37:06,219to Australia and people are wondering

79100:37:03,730 --> 00:37:08,500have you ever visited Pine Gap while you

79200:37:06,219 --> 00:37:12,759were there because it is said to be like

79300:37:08,500 --> 00:37:15,880Australia's area 51 no I did not get

79400:37:12,760 --> 00:37:19,180there and the reason that I didn't but

79500:37:15,880 --> 00:37:21,640eventually was because it is extremely

79600:37:19,179 --> 00:37:26,889difficult to even get close to that to

79700:37:21,639 --> 00:37:28,960that position and plus the fact it's in

79800:37:26,889 --> 00:37:32,219an area where it's extremely


79900:37:28,960 --> 00:37:36,210inhospitable it's not like area 51 where

80000:37:32,219 --> 00:37:39,279area 51 is it's a relatively accessible

80100:37:36,210 --> 00:37:41,590situation location in in the Nevada

80200:37:39,280 --> 00:37:44,530desert north of Las Vegas it has several

80300:37:41,590 --> 00:37:46,240small towns around it and it's you know

80400:37:44,530 --> 00:37:48,160it's just pretty accessible to go and

80500:37:46,239 --> 00:37:50,589sit outside the boundaries and you know

80600:37:48,159 --> 00:37:52,899watch and look a look going on but Pine

80700:37:50,590 --> 00:37:55,390Gap isn't is is in the middle of

80800:37:52,900 --> 00:37:58,840Australia extremely difficult to get to

80900:37:55,389 --> 00:38:00,489by car if you do go by car you're

81000:37:58,840 --> 00:38:02,530literally taking your life in your hands

81100:38:00,489 --> 00:38:02,889because there's nothing around there

81200:38:02,530 --> 00:38:04,990there's


81300:38:02,889 --> 00:38:07,420literally nothing that you can depend

81400:38:04,989 --> 00:38:10,239upon in terms of civilization to to bail

81500:38:07,420 --> 00:38:12,250you out if you do get sort of get caught

81600:38:10,239 --> 00:38:14,739up in the in the Australian outback so

81700:38:12,250 --> 00:38:18,250it's not a place that that you'd want to

81800:38:14,739 --> 00:38:19,959go to into risking to risk life and live

81900:38:18,250 --> 00:38:23,619that essentially just to get out there

82000:38:19,960 --> 00:38:25,240so you know it's Australian

82100:38:23,619 --> 00:38:27,700not a whole lot in the middle of the

82200:38:25,239 --> 00:38:29,949continent it most of the population is

82300:38:27,699 --> 00:38:32,528around the perimeter of the of the huge

82400:38:29,949 --> 00:38:34,328continent there's there's not much going

82500:38:32,528 --> 00:38:35,889on in the middle so it's it's not

82600:38:34,329 --> 00:38:37,839someplace that you would want to go to

827


00:38:35,889 --> 00:38:39,608and visit and and try to eke out an

82800:38:37,838 --> 00:38:41,199existence for one or two days because

82900:38:39,608 --> 00:38:43,538it's not like you would go to a hotel

83000:38:41,199 --> 00:38:46,768and hang out and then go and visit as

83100:38:43,539 --> 00:38:49,089you would near area okay very difficult

83200:38:46,768 --> 00:38:52,989situation and very different situation

83300:38:49,088 --> 00:38:57,250than area51 my days and I spent six days

83400:38:52,989 --> 00:38:59,739in total outside of area 51 which is

83500:38:57,250 --> 00:39:01,510something that a lot of people do it on

83600:38:59,739 --> 00:39:03,578a frequent basis and that was a real

83700:39:01,510 --> 00:39:07,680eye-opener but no I did not have any

83800:39:03,579 --> 00:39:07,680kind of experience with what kind gap a

83900:39:07,710 --> 00:39:13,769lot of people believe that a lot of the

84000:39:10,568 --> 00:39:16,690hidden technology as area 51 has become

84100:39:13,768 --> 00:39:18,669


public now shall we say by President

84200:39:16,690 --> 00:39:21,039Obama a couple of years ago and they

84300:39:18,670 --> 00:39:23,920believed that a lot of the technology

84400:39:21,039 --> 00:39:26,289that was there has been moved forward do

84500:39:23,920 --> 00:39:31,269you believe that area 51 is still the

84600:39:26,289 --> 00:39:33,759hot spot for re-inventing maybe down

84700:39:31,268 --> 00:39:36,008spacecraft and other technologies or do

84800:39:33,759 --> 00:39:38,588you think that that's been moved into a

84900:39:36,009 --> 00:39:40,409more private place like Dugway or Dulce

85000:39:38,588 --> 00:39:45,130or over to mine yeah

85100:39:40,409 --> 00:39:47,108well I speaking from you know personal

85200:39:45,130 --> 00:39:49,778experience I can attest to the fact that

85300:39:47,108 --> 00:39:53,920what goes on in the night sky around

85400:39:49,778 --> 00:39:57,730area 51 over area 51 is absolutely

85500:39:53,920 --> 00:40:01,858mind-blowing I can assure you that what


85600:39:57,730 --> 00:40:04,809I saw there were in fact some type of

85700:40:01,858 --> 00:40:08,768back-engineered via they were not

85800:40:04,809 --> 00:40:10,809airplanes when we first got to to area

85900:40:08,768 --> 00:40:13,14951 or outside just off groom like Road

86000:40:10,809 --> 00:40:15,970the camp area that we that we spent time

86100:40:13,150 --> 00:40:20,800in for three days on our

86200:40:15,969 --> 00:40:22,868first trip there we saw regular

86300:40:20,800 --> 00:40:24,190airplanes in the sky they're just you

86400:40:22,869 --> 00:40:25,750know moving back and forth you could

86500:40:24,190 --> 00:40:27,250hear them you know they have the red

86600:40:25,750 --> 00:40:29,500lights and the green lights and the

86700:40:27,250 --> 00:40:32,108whole thing they were moving very slowly

86800:40:29,500 --> 00:40:35,230up in the and probably what twenty

86900:40:32,108 --> 00:40:37,858thirty thousand feet and pretty prosaic


87000:40:35,230 --> 00:40:40,659pretty dull nothing much really going on

87100:40:37,858 --> 00:40:44,739the first three nights and after those

87200:40:40,659 --> 00:40:48,608three nights we took off and drove east

87300:40:44,739 --> 00:40:54,779towards New Mexico and other parts of

87400:40:48,608 --> 00:40:54,779Arizona and we visited Dulce New Mexico

87500:40:54,989 --> 00:41:02,139Albuquerque Roswell well we went to kuru

87600:40:59,460 --> 00:41:04,480did a whole lot of investigation spoke

87700:41:02,139 --> 00:41:07,719with loretta Proctor who was part of the

87800:41:04,480 --> 00:41:10,539whole Roswell crash scenario with the

87900:41:07,719 --> 00:41:12,699Mac Brazel talked to a lot of people and

88000:41:10,539 --> 00:41:15,579that that it was still there at the time

88100:41:12,699 --> 00:41:19,629so we did a huge amount of research and

88200:41:15,579 --> 00:41:21,130visited two air force bases at that time

88300:41:19,630 --> 00:41:23,200you could get into these Air Force bases

884


00:41:21,130 --> 00:41:25,900and actually drive around and and look

88500:41:23,199 --> 00:41:29,049at what was going on speak to people we

88600:41:25,900 --> 00:41:30,730visited Los Alamos spoke to people who

88700:41:29,050 --> 00:41:33,220worked in Los Alamos oh he does a lot of

88800:41:30,730 --> 00:41:36,460investigation and after I was finished

88900:41:33,219 --> 00:41:38,169we drove back towards Las Vegas because

89000:41:36,460 --> 00:41:42,579that's where we landed and we made

89100:41:38,170 --> 00:41:44,139another visit to to area 51 again for

89200:41:42,579 --> 00:41:46,630another three nights it's about the

89300:41:44,139 --> 00:41:49,509camped out at near the black mailbox

89400:41:46,630 --> 00:41:51,280just off groom Lake Road and it was on

89500:41:49,510 --> 00:41:55,480the second night that we were driving

89600:41:51,280 --> 00:41:57,880towards groom Lake Road that my wife and

89700:41:55,480 --> 00:42:01,990I were driving sort of I guess it would

89800:41:57,880 --> 00:42:03,760


be these Northwest on 375 and she said

89900:42:01,989 --> 00:42:07,029Victor what's that in the sky so I

90000:42:03,760 --> 00:42:11,050pulled the car over and we stopped and

90100:42:07,030 --> 00:42:12,970we noticed that it's a very flat area

90200:42:11,050 --> 00:42:15,460but off in the distance in the ticaboo

90300:42:12,969 --> 00:42:18,579Valley there's a huge mountain range off

90400:42:15,460 --> 00:42:20,858to the north and it was sort of maybe

90500:42:18,579 --> 00:42:23,469what 8:30 in the evening kind of dusk

90600:42:20,858 --> 00:42:24,880just getting towards dark and we looked

90700:42:23,469 --> 00:42:27,039up into the sky just above those

90800:42:24,880 --> 00:42:28,460mountains at about a 45 degree angle we

90900:42:27,039 --> 00:42:31,070noticed this white

91000:42:28,460 --> 00:42:34,338this white light and if you for your

91100:42:31,070 --> 00:42:35,420listeners sort of description if you

91200:42:34,338 --> 00:42:37,219held a dime


91300:42:35,420 --> 00:42:40,130you know Canadian you know a dime out

91400:42:37,219 --> 00:42:44,179between your fingers it out shows about

91500:42:40,130 --> 00:42:46,190the size of that dime a third the size

91600:42:44,179 --> 00:42:49,579of the moon maybe a little bit more you

91700:42:46,190 --> 00:42:51,349know a little bit less but we notice

91800:42:49,579 --> 00:42:54,980it's like just hanging it was just a

91900:42:51,349 --> 00:42:56,359light in the sky and you know we didn't

92000:42:54,980 --> 00:42:59,059know what it was we had no why he wasn't

92100:42:56,358 --> 00:43:01,699moving and then eventually that light

92200:42:59,059 --> 00:43:03,619became very different it became almost

92300:43:01,699 --> 00:43:05,598like a snowflake you could almost see

92400:43:03,619 --> 00:43:09,410through it it became what I would call

92500:43:05,599 --> 00:43:13,609diaphanous it sort of had a sparkly kind

92600:43:09,409 --> 00:43:16,940of appearance and it began to rotate


92700:43:13,608 --> 00:43:19,880very very very quickly and then stopped

92800:43:16,940 --> 00:43:22,579rotating and then as soon as that

92900:43:19,880 --> 00:43:25,130rotation stopped it began to get a

93000:43:22,579 --> 00:43:27,529little bit smaller at shrunken sides and

93100:43:25,130 --> 00:43:29,240they got bigger again like a like a big

93200:43:27,530 --> 00:43:32,030snowflake and then it became a smaller

93300:43:29,239 --> 00:43:34,879snowflake it would be pulsing in and out

93400:43:32,030 --> 00:43:37,430in and out very slowly and then

93500:43:34,880 --> 00:43:39,829eventually the light started to spin

93600:43:37,429 --> 00:43:43,969very very slowly and then turned into

93700:43:39,829 --> 00:43:46,009three orange lights in a triangular

93800:43:43,969 --> 00:43:48,319shape if you could just imagine the

93900:43:46,010 --> 00:43:50,180world disappeared completely there is no

94000:43:48,320 --> 00:43:53,630more diaphanous looked at it was three

941


00:43:50,179 --> 00:43:54,949small very very very small orange lights

94200:43:53,630 --> 00:43:57,680and these little orange lights were in

94300:43:54,949 --> 00:43:59,509the shape of a triangle with thing

94400:43:57,679 --> 00:44:01,159apparently attaching them but obviously

94500:43:59,510 --> 00:44:04,010they were together very tightly and then

94600:44:01,159 --> 00:44:06,108they begin to rotate very fast at an

94700:44:04,010 --> 00:44:08,330incredible speed slowly at first and

94800:44:06,108 --> 00:44:10,670then they began to rotate very very

94900:44:08,329 --> 00:44:12,920quickly and then they coalesced once

95000:44:10,670 --> 00:44:15,650again into this white light and then

95100:44:12,920 --> 00:44:17,750Dave it shot off like it just literally

95200:44:15,650 --> 00:44:21,079winked out just been ping

95300:44:17,750 --> 00:44:22,969just it was an amazing Joule experience

95400:44:21,079 --> 00:44:25,819that I will never ever in my life ever

95500:44:22,969 --> 00:44:28,608


forget so that's the kind of stuff

95600:44:25,820 --> 00:44:31,820that's going on in the skies over over

95700:44:28,608 --> 00:44:33,889area 51 what it was convinced to this

95800:44:31,820 --> 00:44:36,440day it was a back engineered craft of

95900:44:33,889 --> 00:44:38,449some kind I can't I can't even begin to

96000:44:36,440 --> 00:44:40,940tell you what it might have been but

96100:44:38,449 --> 00:44:42,230there is no known aircraft or no known

96200:44:40,940 --> 00:44:43,789any kind of sky

96300:44:42,230 --> 00:44:46,099my entity that I'm aware of that could

96400:44:43,789 --> 00:44:48,829do the kind of thing that I saw in the

96500:44:46,099 --> 00:44:52,069sky that night and then the next night

96600:44:48,829 --> 00:44:54,949we saw a different kind of visual

96700:44:52,070 --> 00:44:59,330display with waking on and off as well

96800:44:54,949 --> 00:45:01,669as they how can I put it o in a linear

96900:44:59,329 --> 00:45:03,529fashion blinking in and out blinking in


97000:45:01,670 --> 00:45:08,059and out blinking in and out on a very

97100:45:03,530 --> 00:45:09,830kind of a fast pace linear angle so

97200:45:08,059 --> 00:45:13,400there's definitely stuff going on out

97300:45:09,829 --> 00:45:15,590there in in in area 51 or groom lake if

97400:45:13,400 --> 00:45:19,220you want to call it that and we have

97500:45:15,590 --> 00:45:21,140people like Mark Cavendish who who has

97600:45:19,219 --> 00:45:24,199attested to the fact that this place is

97700:45:21,139 --> 00:45:26,839still alive and well stood still doing

97800:45:24,199 --> 00:45:28,849the back engineered stuff below the

97900:45:26,840 --> 00:45:31,730surface still involved in an

98000:45:28,849 --> 00:45:34,309experimental aircraft so without a doubt

98100:45:31,730 --> 00:45:37,130I still think that area 51 as sort of

98200:45:34,309 --> 00:45:39,380hackneyed as that phrase is there are

98300:45:37,130 --> 00:45:42,320still a lot going on there that we are


98400:45:39,380 --> 00:45:43,880really not aware of and the faculty the

98500:45:42,320 --> 00:45:45,200President of the United States is even

98600:45:43,880 --> 00:45:48,289talking about it right now

98700:45:45,199 --> 00:45:49,489it gives testament to the fact that you

98800:45:48,289 --> 00:45:51,500know the United States government is

98900:45:49,489 --> 00:45:52,729being very very cozy about this and

99000:45:51,500 --> 00:45:55,400they're sort of being tongue-in-cheek

99100:45:52,730 --> 00:45:57,230about it but the fact the matter is when

99200:45:55,400 --> 00:45:59,960the truth really does come out look find

99300:45:57,230 --> 00:46:03,320out that area 51 has always been as oh

99400:45:59,960 --> 00:46:04,730does play an important role in in the

99500:46:03,320 --> 00:46:07,640way the United States government

99600:46:04,730 --> 00:46:09,940experiments with the the back engineered

99700:46:07,639 --> 00:46:12,108craft that's of extraterrestrial nature

998


00:46:09,940 --> 00:46:14,358you know when I have a friend of mine

99900:46:12,108 --> 00:46:19,069who lives in Las Vegas he's involved in

100000:46:14,358 --> 00:46:21,230the music scene there and who he saw a

100100:46:19,070 --> 00:46:24,619major increase in the number of jannat

100200:46:21,230 --> 00:46:27,858jets that were now parked at McCarran

100300:46:24,619 --> 00:46:29,600Airport right on the strip if you've

100400:46:27,858 --> 00:46:31,789never been to Las Vegas McCarran

100500:46:29,599 --> 00:46:33,739International Airport is literally a

100600:46:31,789 --> 00:46:39,949stone's throw away from the Las Vegas

100700:46:33,739 --> 00:46:42,769Strip so one day he decides to follow

100800:46:39,949 --> 00:46:46,219his curiosity and he actually followed a

100900:46:42,769 --> 00:46:49,070person coming out of the area where they

101000:46:46,219 --> 00:46:50,480park their cars you know these area 51

101100:46:49,070 --> 00:46:53,450employees and he followed them home

101200:46:50,480 --> 00:46:56,210


trying to be as stealthy as possible we

101300:46:53,449 --> 00:46:59,199want to see what was up so he followed

101400:46:56,210 --> 00:47:01,550the guy almost right to his home and he

101500:46:59,199 --> 00:47:03,799turned around and just leaving

101600:47:01,550 --> 00:47:05,630you know because curiosity was getting

101700:47:03,800 --> 00:47:08,960him by the time he got back to the

101800:47:05,630 --> 00:47:13,789intersection he was surrounded by black

101900:47:08,960 --> 00:47:16,550SUVs machine guns and they asked him for

102000:47:13,789 --> 00:47:20,420his ID and they basically gave him an

102100:47:16,550 --> 00:47:23,230extremely stern warning that if he does

102200:47:20,420 --> 00:47:26,240that again there will be some

102300:47:23,230 --> 00:47:28,849disappearing happening either jail time

102400:47:26,239 --> 00:47:31,459or more so he's never tested that out

102500:47:28,849 --> 00:47:34,550again so you know it is alive and real

102600:47:31,460 --> 00:47:37,490it is very alive and real when we go to


102700:47:34,550 --> 00:47:40,519that you were talking in the first

102800:47:37,489 --> 00:47:43,909half-hour Victor about more celebrities

102900:47:40,519 --> 00:47:46,639having to come forward like Dan Aykroyd

103000:47:43,909 --> 00:47:49,608you know we see Tom DeLonge the former

103100:47:46,639 --> 00:47:52,489blink-182 singer making a bunch of

103200:47:49,608 --> 00:47:54,469videos and he has seemed to be garnering

103300:47:52,489 --> 00:47:57,169a lot of attention when it comes to you

103400:47:54,469 --> 00:48:00,529f ology these days British singer Robbie

103500:47:57,170 --> 00:48:04,280Williams who lives in LA is big on the

103600:48:00,530 --> 00:48:07,519UFO hunt Shirley MacLaine the actress is

103700:48:04,280 --> 00:48:11,599very much in touch with the UF ology

103800:48:07,519 --> 00:48:15,530field why aren't these people in your

103900:48:11,599 --> 00:48:18,230mind banding together like they do in so

104000:48:15,530 --> 00:48:20,930many other projects to come forward do


104100:48:18,230 --> 00:48:23,690you think that maybe they are being told

104200:48:20,929 --> 00:48:26,539to keep quiet or are they looking to

104300:48:23,690 --> 00:48:29,170make money off of this so that way it's

104400:48:26,539 --> 00:48:32,150just focusing on what they are doing

104500:48:29,170 --> 00:48:34,309that's a really good question I really

104600:48:32,150 --> 00:48:36,829you know sort of torn and a lot of ways

104700:48:34,309 --> 00:48:39,889to to respond to that because you know I

104800:48:36,829 --> 00:48:42,980know Shirley MacLaine and I've spoken to

104900:48:39,889 --> 00:48:45,440her about this we were trying to get her

105000:48:42,980 --> 00:48:49,039up here to Toronto for the modern

105100:48:45,440 --> 00:48:51,530knowledge tour and and she she didn't

105200:48:49,039 --> 00:48:53,869she she decided not to for whatever

105300:48:51,530 --> 00:48:57,589reason I I you know I really don't know

105400:48:53,869 --> 00:48:59,930and her and her associate Brit elder was

1055


00:48:57,588 --> 00:49:02,299was kind of instrumental and trying to

105600:48:59,929 --> 00:49:05,929help that contact come to some sort of

105700:49:02,300 --> 00:49:09,170fruition it's a difficult thing I think

105800:49:05,929 --> 00:49:11,868a lot of times some of these celebrities

105900:49:09,170 --> 00:49:14,960it's like every other aspect of life you

106000:49:11,869 --> 00:49:17,329know the the political the political you

106100:49:14,960 --> 00:49:22,039know relevant people exist in you know

106200:49:17,329 --> 00:49:24,619lawyers doctors police officers it's it

106300:49:22,039 --> 00:49:27,318infiltrates every single aspect of our

106400:49:24,619 --> 00:49:29,568life so you know when we talk about you

106500:49:27,318 --> 00:49:30,730know contact these being people who have

106600:49:29,568 --> 00:49:34,909had experiences with extraterrestrials

106700:49:30,730 --> 00:49:37,548or who do their own sort of closeted

106800:49:34,909 --> 00:49:41,358research and all this kind of thing they

106900:49:37,548 --> 00:49:44,150


they suffer from a similar kind of guilt

107000:49:41,358 --> 00:49:46,250by association and if they were to make

107100:49:44,150 --> 00:49:48,980too much of a big deal about it it could

107200:49:46,250 --> 00:49:52,338cost them you know Lee with you know the

107300:49:48,980 --> 00:49:55,880Hollywood contracts music contracts you

107400:49:52,338 --> 00:49:57,858know you know it career that that's my

107500:49:55,880 --> 00:49:59,690take on I don't think that that these

107600:49:57,858 --> 00:50:01,460celebrities have been told and it's just

107700:49:59,690 --> 00:50:03,289my opinion I don't think they've been

107800:50:01,460 --> 00:50:05,230told to be quiet I don't think Shirley

107900:50:03,289 --> 00:50:09,318MacLaine you don't tell Shirley MacLaine

108000:50:05,230 --> 00:50:12,349if you know her at all but I think that

108100:50:09,318 --> 00:50:13,579in some way shape or form they they seem

108200:50:12,349 --> 00:50:14,960to feel that there are bigger things

108300:50:13,579 --> 00:50:17,359going on in their lives and they're


108400:50:14,960 --> 00:50:19,608involved in you know you know making

108500:50:17,358 --> 00:50:22,279making their money and becoming as a

108600:50:19,608 --> 00:50:24,588celebrity and if they were to come

108700:50:22,280 --> 00:50:27,079forward in some way their status as

108800:50:24,588 --> 00:50:29,210celebrities may be affected I don't

108900:50:27,079 --> 00:50:33,048understand that mindset I really really

109000:50:29,210 --> 00:50:35,059don't if I was a Shirley MacLaine type

109100:50:33,048 --> 00:50:38,030of individual and believed what I know

109200:50:35,059 --> 00:50:40,040she does believe I I'd be calling press

109300:50:38,030 --> 00:50:43,010conferences right and Saturn and and

109400:50:40,039 --> 00:50:45,529literally challenging the President of

109500:50:43,010 --> 00:50:48,349the United States if I had the the

109600:50:45,530 --> 00:50:50,540notoriety that that woman has Wheatley

109700:50:48,349 --> 00:50:54,440once again like Dan Aykroyd I would be


109800:50:50,539 --> 00:50:56,690public in my in my in my demands that we

109900:50:54,440 --> 00:50:58,429sit down and make this an open dialogue

110000:50:56,690 --> 00:51:00,829about this whole extraterrestrial

110100:50:58,429 --> 00:51:03,828question mr. president why aren't we

110200:51:00,829 --> 00:51:07,420talking about this why is it a taboo why

110300:51:03,829 --> 00:51:10,970will you not make this an open type of

110400:51:07,420 --> 00:51:12,970of discourse that we all can engage in

110500:51:10,969 --> 00:51:15,558to talk about what's really going on and

110600:51:12,969 --> 00:51:17,868not none of them yet have taken that

110700:51:15,559 --> 00:51:21,140stand I know Shirley did when she was on

110800:51:17,869 --> 00:51:23,059the the Larry King show a couple of

110900:51:21,139 --> 00:51:25,369times you her and Larry King were very

111000:51:23,059 --> 00:51:27,889close and I know she did make those kind

111100:51:25,369 --> 00:51:29,539of statements at that time and Larry

1112


00:51:27,889 --> 00:51:31,250King was another person who was very

111300:51:29,539 --> 00:51:35,539instrumental in and bringing the UFO

111400:51:31,250 --> 00:51:38,269issue forward on CNN where and why this

111500:51:35,539 --> 00:51:38,869doesn't go forward as ism is a mystery

111600:51:38,269 --> 00:51:41,329to me

111700:51:38,869 --> 00:51:42,920which really means I would I would sense

111800:51:41,329 --> 00:51:44,929that there are people who are in charge

111900:51:42,920 --> 00:51:46,700as they find you can talk about this

112000:51:44,929 --> 00:51:48,259stuff as much as you want you know you

112100:51:46,699 --> 00:51:50,119can rattle on for hours on your

112200:51:48,260 --> 00:51:53,150television program or whatever you want

112300:51:50,119 --> 00:51:55,159to do but that's as far as you're gonna

112400:51:53,150 --> 00:51:57,650get we are going to remain silent we

112500:51:55,159 --> 00:52:00,079will not respond to you we will remain

112600:51:57,650 --> 00:52:02,150


mum on this issue we are not going to

112700:52:00,079 --> 00:52:04,639make any public statements about the

112800:52:02,150 --> 00:52:07,039extra-terrestrial issue and how it is a

112900:52:04,639 --> 00:52:09,230political issue so I think it's what I

113000:52:07,039 --> 00:52:11,539call the glass ceiling Dave you know

113100:52:09,230 --> 00:52:13,010what we're doing right now on radio it's

113200:52:11,539 --> 00:52:15,079fine you know I don't think the

113300:52:13,010 --> 00:52:16,730government is a big problem with it I do

113400:52:15,079 --> 00:52:19,039the Richard Serra show the conspiracy

113500:52:16,730 --> 00:52:22,429show with Richard Syrett on Sunday night

113600:52:19,039 --> 00:52:24,340out of Toronto we have a huge worldwide

113700:52:22,429 --> 00:52:26,869network of people to listen to us and

113800:52:24,340 --> 00:52:28,610it's fine and dandy for us to talk about

113900:52:26,869 --> 00:52:29,059that and that show will never be shut

114000:52:28,610 --> 00:52:30,410down


114100:52:29,059 --> 00:52:31,639you know the Canadian government is not

114200:52:30,409 --> 00:52:35,420going to come in and tell Richard to be

114300:52:31,639 --> 00:52:37,400quiet but it the thing is is it never

114400:52:35,420 --> 00:52:40,269Pierce's that glass ceiling it gets to a

114500:52:37,400 --> 00:52:43,280certain level of notoriety regional news

114600:52:40,269 --> 00:52:45,380CTV has covered this before CBC has

114700:52:43,280 --> 00:52:47,690covered the UFO issues but that's as far

114800:52:45,380 --> 00:52:50,119as it gets it doesn't reach into the

114900:52:47,690 --> 00:52:51,980House of Commons to the to the to the

115000:52:50,119 --> 00:52:54,109office of the of the minister defense

115100:52:51,980 --> 00:52:56,150where he or she makes comments about

115200:52:54,110 --> 00:52:59,120this stuff that's the glass ceiling in

115300:52:56,150 --> 00:53:02,180effect and we can only go so far before

115400:52:59,119 --> 00:53:04,849we bump our heads on the so-called you


115500:53:02,179 --> 00:53:07,549know glass ceiling and we our voice

115600:53:04,849 --> 00:53:09,259ceases to be heard so that's the whole

115700:53:07,550 --> 00:53:11,780idea behind I think what the celebrities

115800:53:09,260 --> 00:53:13,970are involved with they'll go to a

115900:53:11,780 --> 00:53:16,940certain extent to discuss it but they

116000:53:13,969 --> 00:53:18,169will not and physical challenges or I'm

116100:53:16,940 --> 00:53:19,400the physical that's not the right word

116200:53:18,170 --> 00:53:21,380but they will not make the political

116300:53:19,400 --> 00:53:23,510challenges that are necessary to make of

116400:53:21,380 --> 00:53:27,050our government leaders to at least

116500:53:23,510 --> 00:53:29,120entertain a civil discourse about this

116600:53:27,050 --> 00:53:31,450whole issue so I think there are certain

116700:53:29,119 --> 00:53:34,159restrictions on them in certain ways but

116800:53:31,449 --> 00:53:35,779I'm not quite sure why all this

1169


00:53:34,159 --> 00:53:36,799information as far as celebrities are

117000:53:35,780 --> 00:53:39,170concerned are

117100:53:36,800 --> 00:53:43,340controlled as as you and I understand it

117200:53:39,170 --> 00:53:45,769remains to be a mystery to me Dave to

117300:53:43,340 --> 00:53:47,990tell you they really honest truth I have

117400:53:45,769 --> 00:53:50,449a question from Galen in the SOR space

117500:53:47,989 --> 00:53:52,699travelers room for you when it comes to

117600:53:50,449 --> 00:53:56,299area 51 as we were talking moments ago

117700:53:52,699 --> 00:53:57,919she is wondering are these UFOs that are

117800:53:56,300 --> 00:54:00,890apparently at area 51

117900:53:57,920 --> 00:54:03,610to your knowledge crashed UFOs that have

118000:54:00,889 --> 00:54:05,420been reworked or is it actual

118100:54:03,610 --> 00:54:10,280extraterrestrials giving them to the

118200:54:05,420 --> 00:54:12,980government on trade I wish I knew the

118300:54:10,280 --> 00:54:16,070


answer to that question there's a lot of

118400:54:12,980 --> 00:54:18,949talk about you know connections between

118500:54:16,070 --> 00:54:22,280certain governments here on the planet

118600:54:18,949 --> 00:54:24,679and an extraterrestrials I'm not

118700:54:22,280 --> 00:54:26,780necessarily a fan of that kind of that

118800:54:24,679 --> 00:54:29,329kind of discourse it may it may be

118900:54:26,780 --> 00:54:33,650happening it may have happened in the

119000:54:29,329 --> 00:54:36,559past you know the more we speck it that

119100:54:33,650 --> 00:54:40,280the more I think we could a rapid hole

119200:54:36,559 --> 00:54:43,159that really doesn't lead us anywhere in

119300:54:40,280 --> 00:54:45,890terms of the craft themselves my

119400:54:43,159 --> 00:54:49,219understanding is that whatever crashed

119500:54:45,889 --> 00:54:51,409vehicles are picked up or commandeered

119600:54:49,219 --> 00:54:53,359or you know trucked off from their sites

119700:54:51,409 --> 00:54:55,309as far as the them being


119800:54:53,360 --> 00:54:57,730extra-terrestrial they're taken

119900:54:55,309 --> 00:54:59,869someplace sometimes they're taken to

120000:54:57,730 --> 00:55:02,300different locations that we're not aware

120100:54:59,869 --> 00:55:07,190of sometimes they're taken to area 51

120200:55:02,300 --> 00:55:10,280but I my sense is that these crash parts

120300:55:07,190 --> 00:55:15,170of these these vehicles are used in

120400:55:10,280 --> 00:55:18,200experimentation to to rebuild or to

120500:55:15,170 --> 00:55:20,769build back engineered vehicles and these

120600:55:18,199 --> 00:55:23,029are the vehicles that Mark Cavendish

120700:55:20,769 --> 00:55:25,280speaks of if you if you're familiar with

120800:55:23,030 --> 00:55:28,130his work at all he has had an

120900:55:25,280 --> 00:55:29,870interaction with a person who was at at

121000:55:28,130 --> 00:55:32,539Groom Lake and actually saw one of these

121100:55:29,869 --> 00:55:35,299things levitate and actually saw it in


121200:55:32,539 --> 00:55:37,070operation so what the the American

121300:55:35,300 --> 00:55:40,640government is involved in as far as we

121400:55:37,070 --> 00:55:42,710know is that they are attempt master and

121500:55:40,639 --> 00:55:46,309if they have not already done so the

121600:55:42,710 --> 00:55:48,440antigravity technology that is part and

121700:55:46,309 --> 00:55:49,818parcel of how these these them these

121800:55:48,440 --> 00:55:51,650UFOs move

121900:55:49,818 --> 00:55:53,239and that's what I think the United

122000:55:51,650 --> 00:55:56,599States government is involved in right

122100:55:53,239 --> 00:55:59,389now they have the capacity to learn

122200:55:56,599 --> 00:56:01,489about the the antigravity

122300:55:59,389 --> 00:56:03,949nature of these crafts through the

122400:56:01,489 --> 00:56:05,778crackles and their energy source or

122500:56:03,949 --> 00:56:09,259whatever propulsion system they're using

1226


00:56:05,778 --> 00:56:10,728so what we're seeing are in fact my

122700:56:09,259 --> 00:56:12,829information is that we what we are

122800:56:10,728 --> 00:56:14,868seeing is vehicles that have been built

122900:56:12,829 --> 00:56:18,039by the United States government or

123000:56:14,869 --> 00:56:20,269whatever agencies operate area 51 and

123100:56:18,039 --> 00:56:22,190they're there they're back engineered

123200:56:20,268 --> 00:56:24,948and they're tested and I'm convinced

123300:56:22,190 --> 00:56:26,358that what I saw was was a back

123400:56:24,949 --> 00:56:28,369engineered some sort of the back

123500:56:26,358 --> 00:56:30,139engineered vehicle now we're getting

123600:56:28,369 --> 00:56:32,959into the other aspect of this as these

123700:56:30,139 --> 00:56:34,969these so-called black triangles that the

123800:56:32,958 --> 00:56:37,848people are beginning to see in the sky

123900:56:34,969 --> 00:56:40,249all over the world particularly you know

124000:56:37,849 --> 00:56:42,229


lots of manifestations are in Belgium

124100:56:40,248 --> 00:56:44,259but then now they're being seen all over

124200:56:42,228 --> 00:56:47,929the planet so I think these these

124300:56:44,259 --> 00:56:50,599particular craft my opinion is that they

124400:56:47,929 --> 00:56:54,768are back engineered earth type vehicles

124500:56:50,599 --> 00:56:57,739man-made vehicles so in essence my my

124600:56:54,768 --> 00:57:01,098sense is that area 51 has always been

124700:56:57,739 --> 00:57:03,619involved in experimental aircraft you

124800:57:01,099 --> 00:57:05,778know the all the spy planes and the the

124900:57:03,619 --> 00:57:07,729thing of the of the b-2 bombers and the

125000:57:05,778 --> 00:57:10,278all the stealth bomber see these have

125100:57:07,728 --> 00:57:12,439all but on on the drawing board for

125200:57:10,278 --> 00:57:15,728decades and decades and decades before

125300:57:12,440 --> 00:57:18,380they actually were made public the next

125400:57:15,728 --> 00:57:20,899launching or the next sort of idea that


125500:57:18,380 --> 00:57:23,180will come out of area 51 and this is

125600:57:20,900 --> 00:57:26,809what I'm predicting will be some sort of

125700:57:23,179 --> 00:57:29,208anti-gravity vehicle that will be you

125800:57:26,809 --> 00:57:33,130know showcase in one way or another now

125900:57:29,208 --> 00:57:35,568we already know that some of the stealth

126000:57:33,130 --> 00:57:39,229aircraft that are being used right now

126100:57:35,568 --> 00:57:41,449are already using a part of this kind of

126200:57:39,228 --> 00:57:44,328anti-gravity technology on their wing

126300:57:41,449 --> 00:57:46,298edges the the wing edges of some of

126400:57:44,329 --> 00:57:50,028these of some of these craft that are

126500:57:46,298 --> 00:57:55,038propelled by regular jet propulsion or

126600:57:50,028 --> 00:57:57,920some sort of ion propulsion are to allow

126700:57:55,039 --> 00:58:00,739these craft to send a signal out through

126800:57:57,920 --> 00:58:03,079their their wing edges to the molecules


126900:58:00,739 --> 00:58:03,710of air ahead of them telling the

127000:58:03,079 --> 00:58:05,630molecule

127100:58:03,710 --> 00:58:10,159of air to get out of the way so that

127200:58:05,630 --> 00:58:11,990they do not create a sonic boom and so

127300:58:10,159 --> 00:58:14,449these things can move faster and faster

127400:58:11,989 --> 00:58:17,569and faster all the time because of the

127500:58:14,449 --> 00:58:19,819electrical just being used on the wing

127600:58:17,570 --> 00:58:21,440edges of some of these craft and that's

127700:58:19,820 --> 00:58:23,900something that we have found out that is

127800:58:21,440 --> 00:58:26,150in fact being experimented with with

127900:58:23,900 --> 00:58:28,430respect to area 51 so they're sort of

128000:58:26,150 --> 00:58:30,889there they're sort of letting this out

128100:58:28,429 --> 00:58:32,838and doing it bit by bit by bit to try to

128200:58:30,889 --> 00:58:35,750understand exactly how these crafts work

1283


00:58:32,838 --> 00:58:38,989now there are people who are in fact of

128400:58:35,750 --> 00:58:41,269the belief been rich is one of them the

128500:58:38,989 --> 00:58:43,848the the former CEO of skunk works who

128600:58:41,269 --> 00:58:47,449passed on several years back Ben rich

128700:58:43,849 --> 00:58:50,539actually stated that we have technology

128800:58:47,449 --> 00:58:53,629that will take us to the Stars it will

128900:58:50,539 --> 00:58:56,210take e.t home so his opinion was and

129000:58:53,630 --> 00:58:58,309this man was involved in in a lot of the

129100:58:56,210 --> 00:58:59,599skunk works operation as far as he's

129200:58:58,309 --> 00:59:02,079concerned that we already have the

129300:58:59,599 --> 00:59:04,130technology to be a star faring

129400:59:02,079 --> 00:59:07,848civilization but we just don't know it

129500:59:04,130 --> 00:59:09,380yet how correct he was or what exactly

129600:59:07,849 --> 00:59:11,869he was saying you know we're not sure

129700:59:09,380 --> 00:59:13,400


but I know for a fact that the Richard

129800:59:11,869 --> 00:59:15,980Dolan is going to be one of our hearing

129900:59:13,400 --> 00:59:17,750experts it will give testimony about

130000:59:15,980 --> 00:59:18,920that at the at the June hearing that we

130100:59:17,750 --> 00:59:21,170could talk about a little bit later on

130200:59:18,920 --> 00:59:22,880so I know who Richard Dolan's done a lot

130300:59:21,170 --> 00:59:25,720of work in terms of understanding what

130400:59:22,880 --> 00:59:28,160Ben rich said about this whole idea of

130500:59:25,719 --> 00:59:29,929of the propulsion systems and what we

130600:59:28,159 --> 00:59:32,899already have with Richard calls the

130700:59:29,929 --> 00:59:36,829breakaway civilization so in answer to

130800:59:32,900 --> 00:59:40,400the lady's question I sense that these

130900:59:36,829 --> 00:59:42,108craft are a constant evolution of what

131000:59:40,400 --> 00:59:43,910the United States government has the

131100:59:42,108 --> 00:59:45,319picked up in terms of crashed vehicles


131200:59:43,909 --> 00:59:48,500and they're using it to their advantage

131300:59:45,320 --> 00:59:50,088to refine these vehicles in terms of

131400:59:48,500 --> 00:59:53,119contact with extraterrestrials in

131500:59:50,088 --> 00:59:55,489exchange I don't know I'd be speculating

131600:59:53,119 --> 00:59:57,559to even even that the comment on that

131700:59:55,489 --> 00:59:59,629but you know we often say anything is

131800:59:57,559 --> 01:00:02,719possible so if you can imagine it is

131900:59:59,630 --> 01:00:04,519probably true Victor we got about one

132001:00:02,719 --> 01:00:06,709minute before we got to go to break and

132101:00:04,519 --> 01:00:09,190and you know I can tell you point-blank

132201:00:06,710 --> 01:00:13,190the closest I've been to a UFO is

132301:00:09,190 --> 01:00:15,829probably a hundred fifty yards no word

132401:00:13,190 --> 01:00:16,599of a lie 150 yards it landed on the

132501:00:15,829 --> 01:00:20,619ground


132601:00:16,599 --> 01:00:24,880and I can tell you this I still don't

132701:00:20,619 --> 01:00:27,089know what the hell that was but if I

132801:00:24,880 --> 01:00:30,880ever have that happen again my friend

132901:00:27,090 --> 01:00:33,670instead of you know yelling a lot of

133001:00:30,880 --> 01:00:35,619expletives is what the f was that I'm

133101:00:33,670 --> 01:00:37,030going up to it next time my friend and

133201:00:35,619 --> 01:00:40,239then we're coming to pick you up

133301:00:37,030 --> 01:00:43,060yep we're coming to get you at Bob

133401:00:40,239 --> 01:00:45,189Mitchell and grant Cameron and many of

133501:00:43,059 --> 01:00:46,630the of the Canadian you follow just out

133601:00:45,190 --> 01:00:48,820there we're gonna go for a ride and see

133701:00:46,630 --> 01:00:51,000what's going on how about that that

133801:00:48,820 --> 01:00:53,260they'll sign me up

133901:00:51,000 --> 01:00:53,559absolutely as long as they're the good

1340


01:00:53,260 --> 01:00:55,990guys

134101:00:53,559 --> 01:00:58,239as long as the good guys yeah you know

134201:00:55,989 --> 01:00:59,559Vic I'm gonna get you to hold on for a

134301:00:58,239 --> 01:01:01,750couple of minutes we're gonna hop out

134401:00:59,559 --> 01:01:02,079and take a break here at the top of the

134501:01:01,750 --> 01:01:04,119hour

134601:01:02,079 --> 01:01:06,190Victor V Gianni from Zealand

134701:01:04,119 --> 01:01:09,489Communications is our guest this is

134801:01:06,190 --> 01:01:11,760night number one guest number one of the

134901:01:09,489 --> 01:01:14,739alien cosmic Expo in Brantford Ontario

135001:01:11,760 --> 01:01:16,210June 24th to 26th Victor will be

135101:01:14,739 --> 01:01:18,969speaking at that conference we're gonna

135201:01:16,210 --> 01:01:20,500have a bunch more guests speaking from

135301:01:18,969 --> 01:01:24,879that conference coming on this show

135401:01:20,500 --> 01:01:26,800


spaced out radio leading up to the big

135501:01:24,880 --> 01:01:28,900event you're listening to spaced out

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146301:06:26,340 --> 01:06:33,010tonight we are talking disclosure and

146401:06:28,929 --> 01:06:36,099UFOs leading up to the alien cosmic Expo

146501:06:33,010 --> 01:06:39,160later this month June 24th to 26th in

146601:06:36,099 --> 01:06:41,799Brantford Ontario Victor VG on e from

146701:06:39,159 --> 01:06:44,109Zealand communications as our guest his

146801:06:41,800 --> 01:06:46,600


web site Zealand Communications dot blog

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147001:06:46,599 --> 01:06:50,799Victor thank you so much for being here

147101:06:48,510 --> 01:06:53,170it's a pleasure to be with you David and

147201:06:50,800 --> 01:06:54,550I hope that that your listeners are

147301:06:53,170 --> 01:06:56,849interested in what we're talking about

147401:06:54,550 --> 01:06:58,900and perhaps spread the word about the

147501:06:56,849 --> 01:07:02,710hearing coming up and Brantford Ontario

147601:06:58,900 --> 01:07:05,650on June 25th and it will be definitely

147701:07:02,710 --> 01:07:07,510an eye-opener for everyone I think so

147801:07:05,650 --> 01:07:09,970and you know what I'm proud that once

147901:07:07,510 --> 01:07:12,520again that Bob Mitchell yourself have a

148001:07:09,969 --> 01:07:14,589loud spaced out radio to come on board

148101:07:12,519 --> 01:07:16,809and bring on a bunch of the speakers

148201:07:14,590 --> 01:07:19,120that will be at this event to take part


148301:07:16,809 --> 01:07:22,150in this show that really means a lot to

148401:07:19,119 --> 01:07:24,190me and our listeners so on behalf of all

148501:07:22,150 --> 01:07:27,220of us thank you as well Victor for doing

148601:07:24,190 --> 01:07:29,679that well it's a pleasure we were sort

148701:07:27,219 --> 01:07:31,989of sort of it's a hand and glove kind of

148801:07:29,679 --> 01:07:33,460thing David and I think that the more we

148901:07:31,989 --> 01:07:35,559help each other to get the word out to

149001:07:33,460 --> 01:07:37,470the general public I think that's the

149101:07:35,559 --> 01:07:39,340kind of service that we have to provide

149201:07:37,469 --> 01:07:41,079and that's what I think is most

149301:07:39,340 --> 01:07:43,390important this whole initiative and the

149401:07:41,079 --> 01:07:44,858work that you do - well we have a lot of

149501:07:43,389 --> 01:07:47,288listeners pointing out

149601:07:44,858 --> 01:07:48,969the chatroom that if that UFO does come


149701:07:47,289 --> 01:07:51,670back that we got to pick them up as well

149801:07:48,969 --> 01:07:54,118so hopefully there is capacity you know

149901:07:51,670 --> 01:07:57,009maybe a crit could be a crowded bus

150001:07:54,119 --> 01:08:00,670exactly Victor I want to switch gears a

150101:07:57,009 --> 01:08:03,998little bit here because down south in

150201:08:00,670 --> 01:08:05,889the democratic election process where

150301:08:03,998 --> 01:08:08,078Hillary Clinton and John Podesta have

150401:08:05,889 --> 01:08:10,929teamed up to say if she gets into the

150501:08:08,079 --> 01:08:14,470White House disclosure is going to be a

150601:08:10,929 --> 01:08:17,229very big part of her campaign John

150701:08:14,469 --> 01:08:19,750Podesta of course is the one leading

150801:08:17,229 --> 01:08:21,789that because he's basically told Hillary

150901:08:19,750 --> 01:08:25,210if you're not interested in disclosing

151001:08:21,789 --> 01:08:26,920I'm not interested in helping I want to

1511


01:08:25,210 --> 01:08:28,989focus on this side of the border though

151201:08:26,920 --> 01:08:31,239when it comes to disclosure are you

151301:08:28,988 --> 01:08:33,818surprised that none of the mainstream

151401:08:31,238 --> 01:08:36,099media as that has become a hot button

151501:08:33,819 --> 01:08:40,920topic over the last couple of weeks in

151601:08:36,100 --> 01:08:43,750the US that nobody here has whatsoever

151701:08:40,920 --> 01:08:48,118asked the Prime Minister the Minister of

151801:08:43,750 --> 01:08:52,689Defense or anybody in Ottawa about UFOs

151901:08:48,118 --> 01:08:55,960well I I'm not surprised I'm very very

152001:08:52,689 --> 01:08:58,479disappointed however I look at it Dave

152101:08:55,960 --> 01:09:00,189as a process of what's occurring and if

152201:08:58,479 --> 01:09:02,198you take a look at the whole process of

152301:09:00,189 --> 01:09:04,928what's happening both in the United

152401:09:02,198 --> 01:09:07,599States even Canada what's happening

152501:09:04,929 --> 01:09:09,368


right now in the United States if we

152601:09:07,600 --> 01:09:13,179could start there for a moment in terms

152701:09:09,368 --> 01:09:14,588of of the the American experience if you

152801:09:13,179 --> 01:09:18,429take a look what's going on right now

152901:09:14,588 --> 01:09:21,399one of the latest truly incredible

153001:09:18,429 --> 01:09:25,838anomalies that happened I believe was

153101:09:21,399 --> 01:09:28,899back around May 16th it happened a White

153201:09:25,838 --> 01:09:35,460House press conference and the the White

153301:09:28,899 --> 01:09:38,229House press secretary Josh earnest was a

153401:09:35,460 --> 01:09:40,420was asked a question about you know what

153501:09:38,229 --> 01:09:41,948what does the president feel about you

153601:09:40,420 --> 01:09:43,389know Hillary Clinton exposing these

153701:09:41,948 --> 01:09:45,969kinds of things in terms of wanting to

153801:09:43,389 --> 01:09:49,389get to the bottom of that that kind of

153901:09:45,969 --> 01:09:52,239question being asked in a White House


154001:09:49,389 --> 01:09:55,060press conference to directly to the

154101:09:52,238 --> 01:09:58,629president's you know press secretary is

154201:09:55,060 --> 01:10:01,780a virtually unprecedented

154301:09:58,630 --> 01:10:04,869and we take a look at the the whole

154401:10:01,779 --> 01:10:07,989process and that has not happened ever

154501:10:04,869 --> 01:10:10,689before and it happened now why is it

154601:10:07,989 --> 01:10:13,059happened and think the reason why it's

154701:10:10,689 --> 01:10:15,699happened is because of the pressure that

154801:10:13,060 --> 01:10:17,860we when I say collectively we people

154901:10:15,699 --> 01:10:20,590like the you know Richard Dolan and

155001:10:17,859 --> 01:10:23,319Steve Bassett and all of these other

155101:10:20,590 --> 01:10:26,829individuals particularly grant Cameron

155201:10:23,319 --> 01:10:29,439as putting on the the media to kind of

155301:10:26,829 --> 01:10:32,050pump this information closer and closer


155401:10:29,439 --> 01:10:35,259and closer and closer to the surface so

155501:10:32,050 --> 01:10:37,600when it rears its head in the room of

155601:10:35,260 --> 01:10:39,699the press secretary during a White House

155701:10:37,600 --> 01:10:42,039press conference we know that this thing

155801:10:39,699 --> 01:10:44,979is percolating to the surface a little

155901:10:42,039 --> 01:10:46,689bit more every single day now this this

156001:10:44,979 --> 01:10:49,629would have never ever happened ten years

156101:10:46,689 --> 01:10:51,689ago never have even five years ago

156201:10:49,630 --> 01:10:54,069it was almost unthinkable that a

156301:10:51,689 --> 01:10:58,359correspondent would dare open their

156401:10:54,069 --> 01:11:00,279mouth about UFOs in in a White House

156501:10:58,359 --> 01:11:02,349press conference so we are getting this

156601:11:00,279 --> 01:11:04,300information out and it's gradually

156701:11:02,350 --> 01:11:06,700filtering out and some of these

1568


01:11:04,300 --> 01:11:08,829journalists that are taking that taking

156901:11:06,699 --> 01:11:11,979up the gauntlet that the fellow who

157001:11:08,829 --> 01:11:17,350brought up the the entire issue

157101:11:11,979 --> 01:11:19,919his name was Oliveira Knox and a pretty

157201:11:17,350 --> 01:11:22,660dog at a White House chief correspondent

157301:11:19,920 --> 01:11:26,770and he did he did ask the question and

157401:11:22,659 --> 01:11:29,260on top of that a lady named April Ryan

157501:11:26,770 --> 01:11:32,320who was in the audience also as a Press

157601:11:29,260 --> 01:11:35,590correspondent she asked she pressed Josh

157701:11:32,319 --> 01:11:37,960even more and said essentially mr. mr.

157801:11:35,590 --> 01:11:39,119mr. earnest you're not giving us the

157901:11:37,960 --> 01:11:42,640right in for

158001:11:39,119 --> 01:11:44,710a here and we want to know more we need

158101:11:42,640 --> 01:11:47,230to know more and she kept on pressing

158201:11:44,710 --> 01:11:50,319


this man and he had to back off and and

158301:11:47,229 --> 01:11:51,879just say you know ignore the question as

158401:11:50,319 --> 01:11:53,739I'm concerned the president doesn't have

158501:11:51,880 --> 01:11:56,109any and doesn't have any views on these

158601:11:53,739 --> 01:11:58,449things and he basically shut her down so

158701:11:56,109 --> 01:12:00,039what we're seeing is this kind of stuff

158801:11:58,449 --> 01:12:02,079is getting closer and closer to the

158901:12:00,039 --> 01:12:05,380cloth all of the time as part of this

159001:12:02,079 --> 01:12:06,670process and John Podesta as you as you

159101:12:05,380 --> 01:12:08,440mentioned earlier in your earlier

159201:12:06,670 --> 01:12:10,840comments is one of the people who's

159301:12:08,439 --> 01:12:12,279pushing this issue just a little bit

159401:12:10,840 --> 01:12:14,250further each time

159501:12:12,279 --> 01:12:17,590in his mouth and there have been 12

159601:12:14,250 --> 01:12:19,720media outlets to cover what John Podesta


159701:12:17,590 --> 01:12:23,619has said and what Hillary Clinton has

159801:12:19,720 --> 01:12:25,539said once again this is unprecedented we

159901:12:23,619 --> 01:12:30,180have in a situation where we're getting

160001:12:25,539 --> 01:12:30,180closer and closer all the time so mm-hmm

160101:12:30,359 --> 01:12:33,759excuse me

160201:12:31,630 --> 01:12:37,239III think that it's eventually just a

160301:12:33,760 --> 01:12:38,680matter of time before someone asks the

160401:12:37,239 --> 01:12:40,239question of the prime minister it's you

160501:12:38,680 --> 01:12:42,400eventually gonna get to that point

160601:12:40,239 --> 01:12:45,069because it's but as I said it's part of

160701:12:42,399 --> 01:12:47,589this whole movement towards openness I

160801:12:45,069 --> 01:12:50,139no longer will the government be able to

160901:12:47,590 --> 01:12:52,150hide behind the silence they've really

161001:12:50,140 --> 01:12:53,710practiced this silence very very well


161101:12:52,149 --> 01:12:55,299it's not something they want to talk

161201:12:53,710 --> 01:12:57,850about they just keep their mouths shut

161301:12:55,300 --> 01:13:00,310they don't do any they don't say yes or

161401:12:57,850 --> 01:13:02,710no about it they they sort of hedge

161501:13:00,310 --> 01:13:04,810their bets through silence so I think

161601:13:02,710 --> 01:13:07,029eventually these kinds of questions are

161701:13:04,810 --> 01:13:10,870going to be asked and one of the reasons

161801:13:07,029 --> 01:13:12,939why I'm holding this that this inquired

161901:13:10,869 --> 01:13:16,149that the first Canadian national inquiry

162001:13:12,939 --> 01:13:18,789to UFOs is exactly for that reason David

162101:13:16,149 --> 01:13:21,699is to get this onto the floor of the

162201:13:18,789 --> 01:13:23,800House of Commons an open debate so that

162301:13:21,699 --> 01:13:25,809people in opposition and even the

162401:13:23,800 --> 01:13:28,329government themselves can at least utter

1625


01:13:25,810 --> 01:13:31,750the term UFO or whatever they want to

162601:13:28,329 --> 01:13:33,220call them you know if that will begin

162701:13:31,750 --> 01:13:35,380the dialogue that will begin the

162801:13:33,220 --> 01:13:37,150discourse and we will have in one way or

162901:13:35,380 --> 01:13:39,400another put a little bit of a dent or a

163001:13:37,149 --> 01:13:41,949crack in the so-called glass ceiling so

163101:13:39,399 --> 01:13:43,629I'm looking at us as a process and we're

163201:13:41,949 --> 01:13:45,760getting closer and closer all the time

163301:13:43,630 --> 01:13:48,520because you know take a presidential

163401:13:45,760 --> 01:13:50,020candidate like Hillary Clinton saying

163501:13:48,520 --> 01:13:52,050that she's going to get to the bottom of

163601:13:50,020 --> 01:13:55,150this issue by opening up some of the

163701:13:52,050 --> 01:13:57,670whether she does or not as far as I'm

163801:13:55,149 --> 01:13:59,349concerned David is immaterial the fact

163901:13:57,670 --> 01:14:01,960


of the matter that she's actually

164001:13:59,350 --> 01:14:05,950mentioned this whole this whole topic at

164101:14:01,960 --> 01:14:07,449all on on a channel on a number of

164201:14:05,949 --> 01:14:09,220different newspapers in the United

164301:14:07,449 --> 01:14:11,409States the Washington Post cover this

164401:14:09,220 --> 01:14:13,510the New York Times has covered this I

164501:14:11,409 --> 01:14:16,809don't know if you've read the article by

164601:14:13,510 --> 01:14:18,820her name is Amy Kasich she wrote a

164701:14:16,810 --> 01:14:21,190wonderful article in the in the New York

164801:14:18,819 --> 01:14:24,130Times but why Hillary Clinton is talking

164901:14:21,189 --> 01:14:25,389about UFO disclosure I mean it's getting

165001:14:24,130 --> 01:14:28,359to the point now where some of

165101:14:25,390 --> 01:14:30,180these are waking up and once again I'll

165201:14:28,359 --> 01:14:32,409repeat myself and say this is

165301:14:30,180 --> 01:14:34,690unprecedented so we're pushing the


165401:14:32,409 --> 01:14:37,449envelope just a little bit further each

165501:14:34,689 --> 01:14:39,669time and eventually the Proust has come

165601:14:37,449 --> 01:14:40,929to some sort of fruition where there is

165701:14:39,670 --> 01:14:43,210going to be a public statement either

165801:14:40,930 --> 01:14:45,010made by the White House or by a major

165901:14:43,210 --> 01:14:47,230newspaper and what we're going to be

166001:14:45,010 --> 01:14:48,880getting into it will which with Stanton

166101:14:47,229 --> 01:14:51,519Friedman called is a cosmic Watergate

166201:14:48,880 --> 01:14:52,630and we're going to be asked the quest

166301:14:51,520 --> 01:14:54,670asking the question of why the

166401:14:52,630 --> 01:14:56,829government has hidden these files for so

166501:14:54,670 --> 01:14:58,869many years and now it's time to talk

166601:14:56,829 --> 01:15:01,720about it and get the egg off your face

166701:14:58,869 --> 01:15:04,750start to allow us to understand what you


166801:15:01,720 --> 01:15:06,340know about this issue now many people

166901:15:04,750 --> 01:15:08,439feel that you know the government has

167001:15:06,340 --> 01:15:10,420lied to us before about this whole issue

167101:15:08,439 --> 01:15:12,250and even if they do start talking about

167201:15:10,420 --> 01:15:14,350it now they're gonna there's going to be

167301:15:12,250 --> 01:15:16,600more lies more obfuscation and more

167401:15:14,350 --> 01:15:18,130misdirection I don't doubt that for a

167501:15:16,600 --> 01:15:20,260second we're never going to get the full

167601:15:18,130 --> 01:15:22,090understanding of all of this until we

167701:15:20,260 --> 01:15:24,010really kind of experience the

167801:15:22,090 --> 01:15:27,010extra-terrestrial issue for ourselves in

167901:15:24,010 --> 01:15:28,720terms of contact and and I don't think

168001:15:27,010 --> 01:15:30,610as far as I'm concerned that the

168101:15:28,720 --> 01:15:32,619extra-terrestrial factor in this whole

1682


01:15:30,609 --> 01:15:34,839thing the people from the star are

168301:15:32,619 --> 01:15:38,079visitors they're not interested in

168401:15:34,840 --> 01:15:40,300government contact that's my opinion I

168501:15:38,079 --> 01:15:42,939really don't think that they are that

168601:15:40,300 --> 01:15:44,860the the true entities who are that who

168701:15:42,939 --> 01:15:46,599are the beings that we that we know are

168801:15:44,859 --> 01:15:48,519out there who have a different

168901:15:46,600 --> 01:15:50,020perception of reality a different

169001:15:48,520 --> 01:15:52,090understanding what the cogwheels is that

169101:15:50,020 --> 01:15:53,800is all of us they don't give a darn

169201:15:52,090 --> 01:15:55,449about the White House or the President

169301:15:53,800 --> 01:15:57,430of the United States they've got bigger

169401:15:55,449 --> 01:16:00,760fish to fry I mean these people are

169501:15:57,430 --> 01:16:03,880involved in cutting galactic movement in

169601:16:00,760 --> 01:16:06,280


galactic enterprises of enlightening

169701:16:03,880 --> 01:16:08,859people so as far as I'm concerned but a

169801:16:06,279 --> 01:16:10,239very small player in all of this when

169901:16:08,859 --> 01:16:12,219you get right down to what this means

170001:16:10,239 --> 01:16:14,829galactically in terms of our existence

170101:16:12,220 --> 01:16:16,750as a species so we have yet to become

170201:16:14,829 --> 01:16:19,510enlightened about this not because the

170301:16:16,750 --> 01:16:21,670gum knows what's going on we don't need

170401:16:19,510 --> 01:16:24,670the government to lie to us more what we

170501:16:21,670 --> 01:16:27,460need to do is allow more open discourse

170601:16:24,670 --> 01:16:29,980about this so that eventually we as a

170701:16:27,460 --> 01:16:33,250species will understand what's really

170801:16:29,979 --> 01:16:35,319going on and in turn over these ETS are

170901:16:33,250 --> 01:16:37,270be they benevolent or whatever they are

171001:16:35,319 --> 01:16:38,710will come to an understanding that we as


171101:16:37,270 --> 01:16:40,960a species are

171201:16:38,710 --> 01:16:43,420on the brink of understanding what this

171301:16:40,960 --> 01:16:45,489stuff might be about and that we might

171401:16:43,420 --> 01:16:47,590become ready to enter into a dialogue

171501:16:45,488 --> 01:16:49,718with them directly not government's

171601:16:47,590 --> 01:16:52,239necessarily they will become involved

171701:16:49,719 --> 01:16:54,489with us with other people the planet

171801:16:52,238 --> 01:16:55,659with the contactees that's where this is

171901:16:54,488 --> 01:16:58,718really going to happen on a

172001:16:55,659 --> 01:17:00,699consciousness level so we are only

172101:16:58,719 --> 01:17:03,219petitioning the government to have this

172201:17:00,699 --> 01:17:06,250done because the media is one of the

172301:17:03,219 --> 01:17:07,779conduits that's going to allow this

172401:17:06,250 --> 01:17:10,630stuff to happen and I've said this


172501:17:07,779 --> 01:17:14,109before on radio in some ways the media

172601:17:10,630 --> 01:17:15,730is our worst enemy and the ways the

172701:17:14,109 --> 01:17:17,559media is our best friend it's the only

172801:17:15,729 --> 01:17:20,289way this information is going to get out

172901:17:17,560 --> 01:17:22,090in terms of public notoriety so we have

173001:17:20,289 --> 01:17:23,829to play things very kind of close to the

173101:17:22,090 --> 01:17:26,199vest in terms of not alienating the

173201:17:23,829 --> 01:17:27,399media to push them aside and say well

173301:17:26,199 --> 01:17:29,199really that's not your job

173401:17:27,399 --> 01:17:30,789it is their job to let us know what's

173501:17:29,199 --> 01:17:32,380going on or at least challenge the

173601:17:30,789 --> 01:17:35,229government to make some sort of

173701:17:32,380 --> 01:17:36,969expository statements that in fact we

173801:17:35,229 --> 01:17:39,009are not alone and these things have been

1739


01:17:36,969 --> 01:17:40,719coming and going with impunity for

174001:17:39,010 --> 01:17:42,969hundreds if not thousands of years so

174101:17:40,719 --> 01:17:45,880it's a very difficult set of balances

174201:17:42,969 --> 01:17:48,039this is happening here it's a it's a

174301:17:45,880 --> 01:17:49,930multi-faceted situation and we have to

174401:17:48,039 --> 01:17:52,060handle it in a way that will allow the

174501:17:49,930 --> 01:17:53,380people to eventually and when I talk

174601:17:52,060 --> 01:17:55,270about the people I'm talking about we as

174701:17:53,380 --> 01:17:57,340a species to come to an understanding of

174801:17:55,270 --> 01:17:59,410what's really going on and not necessary

174901:17:57,340 --> 01:18:00,969depend on the government to tell us

175001:17:59,409 --> 01:18:02,199what's going on because we can't go cap

175101:18:00,969 --> 01:18:04,409in hand to the government saying or

175201:18:02,199 --> 01:18:06,939would you please tell us what you know

175301:18:04,409 --> 01:18:09,519


that in a ways a bit kind of fallacious

175401:18:06,939 --> 01:18:12,250argument but we can challenge them to

175501:18:09,520 --> 01:18:14,580open the dialogue because as Steve

175601:18:12,250 --> 01:18:16,600Bassett told me years ago

175701:18:14,579 --> 01:18:19,449constitutionally governments have always

175801:18:16,600 --> 01:18:21,820been allowed to keep secrets that's a

175901:18:19,449 --> 01:18:24,340given but they've never been given the

176001:18:21,819 --> 01:18:26,139right to lie to us that's the key issue

176101:18:24,340 --> 01:18:28,659here the government has been lying

176201:18:26,140 --> 01:18:30,880bald-faced lying to us about the et

176301:18:28,659 --> 01:18:33,699presence and it's time for that to end

176401:18:30,880 --> 01:18:36,250and slip that silence and that secrecy

176501:18:33,699 --> 01:18:38,769away and so that we can get involved in

176601:18:36,250 --> 01:18:41,109some sort of rational mature dialogue

176701:18:38,770 --> 01:18:42,190about what's really going on now if we


176801:18:41,109 --> 01:18:44,109can talk about you know the

176901:18:42,189 --> 01:18:45,939deforestation and we can talk about the

177001:18:44,109 --> 01:18:48,039environment if we can talk about you

177101:18:45,939 --> 01:18:49,569know genetically modified foods we can

177201:18:48,039 --> 01:18:51,460talk about you know Big Pharma and the

177301:18:49,569 --> 01:18:52,599pharmaceutical industries or this whole

177401:18:51,460 --> 01:18:54,599idea of the Panama

177501:18:52,599 --> 01:18:57,788papers in terms of the the offshore

177601:18:54,599 --> 01:18:59,409money that's been dumped offshore if we

177701:18:57,788 --> 01:19:02,198could talk about those kinds of things

177801:18:59,408 --> 01:19:05,198we can talk about the extra-terrestrial

177901:19:02,198 --> 01:19:07,988issues so it can be part of the dialogue

178001:19:05,198 --> 01:19:09,549that we that we have to open up so in

178101:19:07,988 --> 01:19:11,228terms of what Hillary Clinton is doing


178201:19:09,550 --> 01:19:13,449she's opening the door for us

178301:19:11,229 --> 01:19:15,729Podesta is opening the door for us to

178401:19:13,448 --> 01:19:19,259allow this to become something that we

178501:19:15,729 --> 01:19:21,128can talk about on a rational mature way

178601:19:19,260 --> 01:19:23,859Victor one of the things that I'm

178701:19:21,128 --> 01:19:25,899disappointed about with the media is the

178801:19:23,859 --> 01:19:29,469fact that as someone who spent 10 years

178901:19:25,899 --> 01:19:31,840in mainstream like I did mm-hmm the way

179001:19:29,469 --> 01:19:34,689the media dropped the ball when John

179101:19:31,840 --> 01:19:37,719Podesta first came out about this back

179201:19:34,689 --> 01:19:40,599on February 13 2015 with a simple tweet

179301:19:37,719 --> 01:19:42,698that said his biggest regret of 2014 was

179401:19:40,599 --> 01:19:43,809not securing the hashtag disclosure of

179501:19:42,698 --> 01:19:45,848the UFO FILES

1796


01:19:43,809 --> 01:19:47,708right and then he hashtag the truth is

179701:19:45,849 --> 01:19:50,708still out there when you have the

179801:19:47,708 --> 01:19:54,429president's right-hand man coming out

179901:19:50,708 --> 01:19:56,708and saying this that he's leaving Obama

180001:19:54,429 --> 01:19:59,378to go over to Hillary to help her win

180101:19:56,708 --> 01:20:03,519the nomination mm-hmm and the New York

180201:19:59,378 --> 01:20:05,679Times doesn't pick it up NBC CNN Chicago

180301:20:03,519 --> 01:20:08,649Tribune doesn't matter which major media

180401:20:05,679 --> 01:20:10,569outlet they dropped the ball and now the

180501:20:08,649 --> 01:20:12,280media in the mainstream is trying to

180601:20:10,569 --> 01:20:15,158play catch-up because all of a sudden

180701:20:12,279 --> 01:20:17,828these funny UFO stories aren't going

180801:20:15,158 --> 01:20:20,558away I find that so disappointing by the

180901:20:17,828 --> 01:20:23,828media in the United States that that

181001:20:20,559 --> 01:20:27,519


happened that it really makes you wonder

181101:20:23,828 --> 01:20:31,988if the president's right-hand man isn't

181201:20:27,519 --> 01:20:34,059being shut up by the by the mystery

181301:20:31,988 --> 01:20:36,638government that seems to control all of

181401:20:34,059 --> 01:20:39,189this then there has to be something more

181501:20:36,639 --> 01:20:42,189to it are you surprised that John

181601:20:39,189 --> 01:20:47,969Podesta has been able in his position to

181701:20:42,189 --> 01:20:47,969get away with as much UFO talk as he had

181801:20:49,618 --> 01:20:57,158another really good question yes yes and

181901:20:54,969 --> 01:20:59,739no there's two sides of that I'm

182001:20:57,158 --> 01:21:02,438surprised that that he's done what he's

182101:20:59,738 --> 01:21:04,299done in the way that he has done it and

182201:21:02,439 --> 01:21:06,250I think he's going to be very very

182301:21:04,300 --> 01:21:08,829instrumental in moving this thing

182401:21:06,250 --> 01:21:09,939forward because you know as with Hillary


182501:21:08,829 --> 01:21:11,649you know what I said that Hillary has

182601:21:09,939 --> 01:21:13,359opened the door and in fact it's been

182701:21:11,649 --> 01:21:15,339John Podesta who's been instrumental in

182801:21:13,359 --> 01:21:19,149doing that and you have to remember the

182901:21:15,340 --> 01:21:22,199Podesta was the chief of staff under

183001:21:19,149 --> 01:21:25,509Bill Clinton while all of the the the

183101:21:22,199 --> 01:21:27,369the Rockefeller letters were going back

183201:21:25,510 --> 01:21:29,650and forth between you know between

183301:21:27,369 --> 01:21:31,989Loretta's Rockefeller and dr. Jack

183401:21:29,649 --> 01:21:34,629Gibbons the the the science advisor to

183501:21:31,989 --> 01:21:36,510the President Grant Cameron was the one

183601:21:34,630 --> 01:21:39,010who uncovered all of those letters

183701:21:36,510 --> 01:21:42,159called the Rockefeller initiative by him

183801:21:39,010 --> 01:21:44,260so desta was part was in the White House


183901:21:42,159 --> 01:21:48,010while this was going on between 1993 and

184001:21:44,260 --> 01:21:50,4401996 so he saw a first hand way back

184101:21:48,010 --> 01:21:54,659when that this was all happening and

184201:21:50,439 --> 01:21:58,299then when he left the the position of

184301:21:54,659 --> 01:22:01,359chair of the pardon me of the chief of

184401:21:58,300 --> 01:22:03,730staff in the White House he I think he

184501:22:01,359 --> 01:22:06,969made a conscious decision when he teamed

184601:22:03,729 --> 01:22:08,949up with that with Leslie came to with it

184701:22:06,970 --> 01:22:11,350with the with the Coalition for freedom

184801:22:08,949 --> 01:22:15,489of information and those who worked very

184901:22:11,350 --> 01:22:18,280very hard together to not form upon

185001:22:15,489 --> 01:22:20,139which they could build some sort of no

185101:22:18,279 --> 01:22:21,579public notoriety for this issue and

185201:22:20,140 --> 01:22:22,720that's what he came forward at the

1853


01:22:21,579 --> 01:22:25,539Washington Press Club

185401:22:22,720 --> 01:22:26,680I think was in 2002 in October where he

185501:22:25,539 --> 01:22:28,720said that it's time for the u.s.

185601:22:26,680 --> 01:22:31,210government to you know to it to address

185701:22:28,720 --> 01:22:33,100the the facts that are remain in the

185801:22:31,210 --> 01:22:34,390dark about the UFO phenomena that's the

185901:22:33,100 --> 01:22:37,329first thing that he said and then he

186001:22:34,390 --> 01:22:40,450also wrote the foreword to Leslie Cain's

186101:22:37,329 --> 01:22:43,000book UFOs generals and pilots go on

186201:22:40,449 --> 01:22:45,099record and that went to number 29 on the

186301:22:43,000 --> 01:22:48,010New York Times bestseller list but once

186401:22:45,100 --> 01:22:49,780again as you said the me drop wall they

186501:22:48,010 --> 01:22:53,130didn't pick it up back then either

186601:22:49,779 --> 01:22:55,539so I think it's a repeating series of

186701:22:53,130 --> 01:22:58,060


it's like fishing you know it's like

186801:22:55,539 --> 01:23:00,340fishing I mean I'm not a fisherman but

186901:22:58,060 --> 01:23:02,020my uncle used to be and he said Victor

187001:23:00,340 --> 01:23:04,779you just throw your line in the water

187101:23:02,020 --> 01:23:06,340and you wait for a bite and you sit

187201:23:04,779 --> 01:23:07,929there and you sit there and you sit

187301:23:06,340 --> 01:23:10,390there sometimes you sit there for hours

187401:23:07,930 --> 01:23:11,800and nothing happens or the next time you

187501:23:10,390 --> 01:23:13,510throw it in you get a bite right away

187601:23:11,800 --> 01:23:15,909that's what's happening here we're

187701:23:13,510 --> 01:23:18,699getting little nibbles at the bait that

187801:23:15,909 --> 01:23:19,960he's throwing out and eventually all we

187901:23:18,699 --> 01:23:22,840need Dave is a

188001:23:19,960 --> 01:23:26,230curious very very courageous journalist

188101:23:22,840 --> 01:23:28,840or something like the New York Times are


188201:23:26,229 --> 01:23:30,879the are the The Washington Post saying

188301:23:28,840 --> 01:23:33,100in their in their back rooms and you

188401:23:30,880 --> 01:23:34,869know in in the Ducker back room of the

188501:23:33,100 --> 01:23:36,430of the the publishers and the and the

188601:23:34,869 --> 01:23:39,519the owners of the of the newspaper

188701:23:36,430 --> 01:23:41,409they're sitting there and I'm I'm almost

188801:23:39,520 --> 01:23:43,390positive right now that's what's going

188901:23:41,409 --> 01:23:46,359on that they are sitting there talking

189001:23:43,390 --> 01:23:48,280about whether or not they want to bite

189101:23:46,359 --> 01:23:50,409this and take into this this whole thing

189201:23:48,279 --> 01:23:52,179down and say look at we either come

189301:23:50,409 --> 01:23:54,760clean on this always shut up completely

189401:23:52,180 --> 01:23:57,310you know they're they're really on a

189501:23:54,760 --> 01:23:59,409knife edge sword here and the if you


189601:23:57,310 --> 01:24:01,330read some of the articles as a result of

189701:23:59,409 --> 01:24:03,519what what Clinton has said and what

189801:24:01,329 --> 01:24:05,769Podesta has said a particularly one by

189901:24:03,520 --> 01:24:08,260Amy tschosik in the New York Times she

190001:24:05,770 --> 01:24:10,870bit this issue in the New York time bit

190101:24:08,260 --> 01:24:13,270you say she they grabbed the piece of

190201:24:10,869 --> 01:24:15,909this information metaphorically and put

190301:24:13,270 --> 01:24:18,460it out there and eventually these

190401:24:15,909 --> 01:24:21,099publishers and the the ownership within

190501:24:18,460 --> 01:24:22,539big meaty in the states will eventually

190601:24:21,100 --> 01:24:24,760do it as part of the process that I

190701:24:22,539 --> 01:24:26,710mentioned earlier it will happen and

190801:24:24,760 --> 01:24:28,449we're getting closer and closer and

190901:24:26,710 --> 01:24:30,279closer but it's very frustrating to have

1910


01:24:28,449 --> 01:24:32,769these little small nibbles and then

191101:24:30,279 --> 01:24:35,619nothing happened so it you know they may

191201:24:32,770 --> 01:24:37,930have dropped the ball in a certain way

191301:24:35,619 --> 01:24:40,359but I think that they they are still

191401:24:37,930 --> 01:24:41,980carrying it and they are still moving it

191501:24:40,359 --> 01:24:44,439forward towards the goal line but

191601:24:41,979 --> 01:24:46,509they're they're just hesitant to to

191701:24:44,439 --> 01:24:48,789cross that goal line and maybe you know

191801:24:46,510 --> 01:24:50,140tick off a whole lot of people and you

191901:24:48,789 --> 01:24:52,899know that there was reason why the

192001:24:50,140 --> 01:24:55,660Washington Post did what it did in the

192101:24:52,899 --> 01:24:57,460in the Watergate area era there's a

192201:24:55,659 --> 01:25:01,029reason why they did it and they have to

192301:24:57,460 --> 01:25:03,340find a similar reason to do this now in

192401:25:01,029 --> 01:25:04,659


a very very similar kind of way and I

192501:25:03,340 --> 01:25:07,239think that's the kind of knife that

192601:25:04,659 --> 01:25:09,399swords that were sitting on so you know

192701:25:07,238 --> 01:25:11,169really they're carrying the ball to a

192801:25:09,399 --> 01:25:15,129certain degree and they're covering this

192901:25:11,170 --> 01:25:17,680information but my barometer will be 60

193001:25:15,130 --> 01:25:20,319minutes once this issue once Hillary

193101:25:17,680 --> 01:25:21,630Clinton or John Podesta are interviewed

193201:25:20,319 --> 01:25:25,179on 60 minutes

193301:25:21,630 --> 01:25:27,520that's disclosure right there it will

193401:25:25,180 --> 01:25:30,070happen that's that's my personal

193501:25:27,520 --> 01:25:31,810barometer okay it can happen someplace

193601:25:30,069 --> 01:25:33,729else you know it may happen in Canada

193701:25:31,810 --> 01:25:35,110you know we may get some cover

193801:25:33,729 --> 01:25:36,579because of the hearings you know we're


193901:25:35,109 --> 01:25:41,199trying to move things forward that way

194001:25:36,579 --> 01:25:42,850but in terms of of media you know being

194101:25:41,199 --> 01:25:44,109our worst enemy and our best friend

194201:25:42,850 --> 01:25:46,030right now they are there the

194301:25:44,109 --> 01:25:47,559cloak-and-dagger worst enemy but

194401:25:46,029 --> 01:25:49,569eventually they're gonna wake up smell

194501:25:47,560 --> 01:25:51,010the roses and realize that it's in their

194601:25:49,569 --> 01:25:52,960best interest to bring this thing

194701:25:51,010 --> 01:25:54,760forward despite the amount of pressure

194801:25:52,960 --> 01:25:56,590that's being put on them not to say

194901:25:54,760 --> 01:26:00,310anything and I can guarantee you there's

195001:25:56,590 --> 01:26:02,260huge pressure on CBS NBC and ABC not to

195101:26:00,310 --> 01:26:04,600say anything in a really really

195201:26:02,260 --> 01:26:05,350meaningful way about this issue it's


195301:26:04,600 --> 01:26:08,530been covered

195401:26:05,350 --> 01:26:11,140CBS's has covered it CBS Las Vegas was

195501:26:08,529 --> 01:26:13,840the one who interviewed John Podesta and

195601:26:11,140 --> 01:26:15,489had a great interview with him a CNN had

195701:26:13,840 --> 01:26:18,279a tremendous interview with John Podesta

195801:26:15,488 --> 01:26:20,619right on television you know on it's on

195901:26:18,279 --> 01:26:22,539the web so they're there inching towards

196001:26:20,619 --> 01:26:27,000it but they still won't go the whole

196101:26:22,539 --> 01:26:30,119route why yeah that's the big question

196201:26:27,000 --> 01:26:34,170Victor what is Canada's role in

196301:26:30,119 --> 01:26:38,199disclosure if we have a role at all

196401:26:34,170 --> 01:26:41,319great question I think that and this is

196501:26:38,199 --> 01:26:44,289a where I kind of step off the the I

196601:26:41,319 --> 01:26:47,289step up to the idea that the way the

1967


01:26:44,289 --> 01:26:52,229Canadian media works David is a whole

196801:26:47,289 --> 01:26:55,238lot less constricted or controlled as to

196901:26:52,229 --> 01:26:59,139her to how the the American media is

197001:26:55,238 --> 01:27:02,439controlled the American media is is

197101:26:59,140 --> 01:27:03,760controlled by different agencies if it's

197201:27:02,439 --> 01:27:06,189not enough your listeners are familiar

197301:27:03,760 --> 01:27:08,020with the project Mockingbird that was a

197401:27:06,189 --> 01:27:11,049project that was put in place by the CIA

197501:27:08,020 --> 01:27:12,790to make sure that all of this stuff you

197601:27:11,050 --> 01:27:15,940know talk about it at your leisure you

197701:27:12,789 --> 01:27:17,769know make fun of it ridicule to do but

197801:27:15,939 --> 01:27:19,509at no time will we really tell the full

197901:27:17,770 --> 01:27:21,670story and that was the purpose of

198001:27:19,510 --> 01:27:24,670Project Mockingbird not to have any

198101:27:21,670 --> 01:27:27,250


complete open discourse about this you

198201:27:24,670 --> 01:27:29,380know this you conduct your information

198301:27:27,250 --> 01:27:31,539you know have your local radio stations

198401:27:29,380 --> 01:27:33,010cover these funny lights on the sky you

198501:27:31,539 --> 01:27:33,939know that's fine that's fine but the

198601:27:33,010 --> 01:27:35,530government will not make any

198701:27:33,939 --> 01:27:37,750pronouncement about this and the CIA

198801:27:35,529 --> 01:27:40,809made sure that this happened nothing

198901:27:37,750 --> 01:27:43,029like that has happened in Canada and I

199001:27:40,810 --> 01:27:44,860think the Canadian media is a lot more

199101:27:43,029 --> 01:27:47,590what I call amorphous there are a lot

199201:27:44,859 --> 01:27:50,559more naive in a lot of ways

199301:27:47,590 --> 01:27:52,930then the American media so my

199401:27:50,560 --> 01:27:56,770understanding is that the Canadian media

199501:27:52,930 --> 01:27:59,590has the best chance of becoming partners


199601:27:56,770 --> 01:28:02,740with us and I've spoken to people at

199701:27:59,590 --> 01:28:04,989stevia about this okay becoming partners

199801:28:02,739 --> 01:28:07,059with us in this in disclosing that this

199901:28:04,989 --> 01:28:08,979event and there are people within the

200001:28:07,060 --> 01:28:12,730Canadian media who do want to follow

200101:28:08,979 --> 01:28:14,979this issue but they're not willing to as

200201:28:12,729 --> 01:28:16,659you know a similar kind of rhetoric that

200301:28:14,979 --> 01:28:19,089we got involved in they're not really

200401:28:16,659 --> 01:28:21,220willing to take the ball across the goal

200501:28:19,090 --> 01:28:23,140line just yet for whatever reason I'm

200601:28:21,220 --> 01:28:25,659not sure maybe it's the same reason of

200701:28:23,140 --> 01:28:27,310of constriction that we that we

200801:28:25,659 --> 01:28:29,680mentioned about the CIA maybe the same

200901:28:27,310 --> 01:28:31,660sort of thing but my sense is that it's


201001:28:29,680 --> 01:28:34,630something really concrete comes out

201101:28:31,659 --> 01:28:37,000about this whole UFO et issue that the

201201:28:34,630 --> 01:28:39,850Canadian media will jump all over it

201301:28:37,000 --> 01:28:42,939as they did with Paul Hellyer now Paul

201401:28:39,850 --> 01:28:46,150Hellyer is as far as I'm concerned at

201501:28:42,939 --> 01:28:48,429that event that we we had in at the

201601:28:46,149 --> 01:28:50,859University of Toronto in 2005 the

201701:28:48,430 --> 01:28:52,570symposium that we had where Paul Hellyer

201801:28:50,859 --> 01:28:55,949we got Paul Hellyer to come forward that

201901:28:52,569 --> 01:28:59,259was one of the most well cover events in

202001:28:55,949 --> 01:29:02,920in Canadian history and Paul continues

202101:28:59,260 --> 01:29:05,170to be a vanguard of disclosure it with

202201:29:02,920 --> 01:29:09,010respect to his notoriety and he still

202301:29:05,170 --> 01:29:11,350retains that sort of magical kind of

2024


01:29:09,010 --> 01:29:13,409bullet that he that he has in terms of

202501:29:11,350 --> 01:29:16,240his being you know the oldest serving

202601:29:13,409 --> 01:29:18,670cabinet member who believes that and

202701:29:16,239 --> 01:29:21,369who's articulated anything about the UFO

202801:29:18,670 --> 01:29:28,500issue so we still have the opportunity

202901:29:21,369 --> 01:29:31,539to use and to kind of how can I put it

203001:29:28,500 --> 01:29:33,130allow mr. halyard to be a spokesman for

203101:29:31,539 --> 01:29:34,630the Canadian government without being

203201:29:33,130 --> 01:29:36,579necessarily part of the government if

203301:29:34,630 --> 01:29:39,069you know what I'm trying to get at he's

203401:29:36,579 --> 01:29:42,340that he's the longest-serving member of

203501:29:39,069 --> 01:29:45,039the Privy Council so you know he's got

203601:29:42,340 --> 01:29:46,239that kind of gravitas to him and I think

203701:29:45,039 --> 01:29:48,519once the Canadian media really

203801:29:46,239 --> 01:29:50,679


understands where Paul Hellyer stands on

203901:29:48,520 --> 01:29:53,800this issue and how public he has been

204001:29:50,680 --> 01:29:55,750and will continue to be about this they

204101:29:53,800 --> 01:29:58,630just might pick up the gauntlet and it

204201:29:55,750 --> 01:30:00,840become a whole discussion point up here

204301:29:58,630 --> 01:30:03,480in Canada eventually

204401:30:00,840 --> 01:30:05,039making its way as the but earlier on to

204501:30:03,479 --> 01:30:06,750the House of Commons where people are

204601:30:05,039 --> 01:30:10,250asking questions about it and what's it

204701:30:06,750 --> 01:30:12,539all about what's going on so I mean I

204801:30:10,250 --> 01:30:14,250very sorry Victor because we're running

204901:30:12,539 --> 01:30:16,680short on time here before we go to break

205001:30:14,250 --> 01:30:19,350the problem that we have with Paul

205101:30:16,680 --> 01:30:22,890Hellyer is the fact that the government

205201:30:19,350 --> 01:30:25,079has time Paul doesn't at 92 years old it


205301:30:22,890 --> 01:30:28,560could be any time before he gets his

205401:30:25,079 --> 01:30:30,600calling to the next lifetime right right

205501:30:28,560 --> 01:30:34,740and the problem that we have here is

205601:30:30,600 --> 01:30:38,070nobody in their 30s 40s 50s or even 60s

205701:30:34,739 --> 01:30:40,079right now who is in Parliament or has

205801:30:38,069 --> 01:30:42,239been in Parliament is willing to step up

205901:30:40,079 --> 01:30:43,979to the plate and that's the problem

206001:30:42,239 --> 01:30:46,229that's the problem no you're exactly

206101:30:43,979 --> 01:30:48,569right Dave I don't disagree with you at

206201:30:46,229 --> 01:30:50,219all and I think part of what we're

206301:30:48,569 --> 01:30:53,279trying to do with this hearing is

206401:30:50,220 --> 01:30:56,100attempting to get someone like that I

206501:30:53,279 --> 01:30:57,960mean are we've written to two members of

206601:30:56,100 --> 01:31:00,060parliament in Bradford my own Member of


206701:30:57,960 --> 01:31:01,500Parliament here we've corresponded with

206801:31:00,060 --> 01:31:04,170members apart made them aware of the

206901:31:01,500 --> 01:31:05,850hearing they know about this hearing so

207001:31:04,170 --> 01:31:07,409where it's a like as part of that

207101:31:05,850 --> 01:31:09,900process that we spoke about earlier and

207201:31:07,409 --> 01:31:12,029just maybe we might get our our man or

207301:31:09,899 --> 01:31:13,739woman to step up to the plate and be the

207401:31:12,029 --> 01:31:16,139person to ask the Prime Minister the

207501:31:13,739 --> 01:31:18,599question about his understanding what

207601:31:16,140 --> 01:31:20,400these UFOs are all about we are with

207701:31:18,600 --> 01:31:22,560Victor Viviani tonight on spaced-out

207801:31:20,399 --> 01:31:25,259radio he is one of the speakers and one

207901:31:22,560 --> 01:31:27,420of the founders of the alien cosmic Expo

208001:31:25,260 --> 01:31:30,090that will be taking place June 24th to

2081


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208201:31:30,090 --> 01:31:33,210heard the name Brantford before and

208301:31:31,829 --> 01:31:35,579you're a hockey fan it's because it's

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221001:36:46,448 --> 01:36:49,058on the show we get back into the alien

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221301:36:52,179 --> 01:36:55,899connection continues tomorrow night

221401:36:54,010 --> 01:37:00,128tonight we are talking with Victor V

221501:36:55,899 --> 01:37:01,989Gianni he is part of the alien cosmic

221601:37:00,128 --> 01:37:04,479Expo that will be taking place later

221701:37:01,988 --> 01:37:07,748this month June 24th to 26th spaced-out

221801:37:04,479 --> 01:37:10,208radio is involved by having a bunch of

221901:37:07,748 --> 01:37:13,269the speakers come on this month to talk

222001:37:10,208 --> 01:37:15,550about experiences UFOs and the main

222101:37:13,269 --> 01:37:17,409topic disclosure Victor thank you so

222201:37:15,550 --> 01:37:19,659much for being with us once again it's a

222301:37:17,408 --> 01:37:21,698pleasure to be with you I got a few


222401:37:19,658 --> 01:37:23,708questions that I want to ask from our

222501:37:21,698 --> 01:37:25,628audience here and I'm gonna start off

222601:37:23,708 --> 01:37:28,418with Chris he actually made this comment

222701:37:25,628 --> 01:37:30,760about 22 minutes ago and I think this

222801:37:28,418 --> 01:37:33,038question is probably more pest suited

222901:37:30,760 --> 01:37:35,739for Grant Cameron but he says of all the

223001:37:33,038 --> 01:37:38,198presidents of the USA I wonder which one

223101:37:35,738 --> 01:37:40,658have had the most knowledge and which

223201:37:38,198 --> 01:37:43,588ones the least about the UFO alien

223301:37:40,658 --> 01:37:48,098subject matter hmm

223401:37:43,588 --> 01:37:54,929well idea that is a question for Grant

223501:37:48,099 --> 01:37:57,849for sure my with Grant on that probably

223601:37:54,929 --> 01:37:59,288Truman would be probably the first one

223701:37:57,849 --> 01:38:02,588that he that he would mentioned is


223801:37:59,288 --> 01:38:06,608having if part of knowledge at least

223901:38:02,588 --> 01:38:09,279some sort of understanding that that

224001:38:06,609 --> 01:38:11,409these that the the crash happened and

224101:38:09,279 --> 01:38:13,179that cabinet he's actually on

224201:38:11,408 --> 01:38:15,219Kurt is saying yes we've talked about

224301:38:13,179 --> 01:38:17,498this in cabinet all the time it's the

224401:38:15,219 --> 01:38:19,630you know he has said that he is on

224501:38:17,498 --> 01:38:21,938record as physically saying yes we talk

224601:38:19,630 --> 01:38:24,788about that in cabinet all the time so I

224701:38:21,939 --> 01:38:28,360would imagine that that room probably be

224801:38:24,788 --> 01:38:31,109someone who would would have would have

224901:38:28,359 --> 01:38:35,038a lot of insight information especially

225001:38:31,109 --> 01:38:41,589because back then the secrecy wasn't

225101:38:35,038 --> 01:38:44,228today it wasn't as as as I don't know as

2252


01:38:41,590 --> 01:38:45,699dangerous as it is now they just didn't

225301:38:44,229 --> 01:38:47,439know what they were dealing with back

225401:38:45,698 --> 01:38:48,969then they had no idea what they were

225501:38:47,439 --> 01:38:52,570dealing but they were just as confused

225601:38:48,969 --> 01:38:54,010as as everybody else so once they did

225701:38:52,569 --> 01:38:55,569that's when they that's when the sort of

225801:38:54,010 --> 01:38:59,769the clamps came down on the whole thing

225901:38:55,569 --> 01:39:02,438after that other presidents they come

226001:38:59,769 --> 01:39:06,400tomorrow would be Ronald Reagan I think

226101:39:02,439 --> 01:39:08,829that Ronald Reagan had some some really

226201:39:06,399 --> 01:39:13,118good ideas about what was going because

226301:39:08,828 --> 01:39:17,578I know he he he had a sighting while he

226401:39:13,118 --> 01:39:21,339was on an aircraft himself I think also

226501:39:17,578 --> 01:39:22,448Jimmy Carter is one who has had a direct

226601:39:21,340 --> 01:39:24,369


experience with it

226701:39:22,448 --> 01:39:26,859first of all with his own sighting and

226801:39:24,368 --> 01:39:29,109second of all just before he actually

226901:39:26,859 --> 01:39:33,009took office just after he was elected

227001:39:29,109 --> 01:39:36,429president November before that he went

227101:39:33,010 --> 01:39:39,309to the CIA director at the time who was

227201:39:36,429 --> 01:39:43,719George George Bush Senior and at the

227301:39:39,309 --> 01:39:46,840time Carter actually asked Bush is I

227401:39:43,719 --> 01:39:49,059want the UFO file I mean I want the

227501:39:46,840 --> 01:39:51,369information that you have on the and he

227601:39:49,059 --> 01:39:54,189was told by by George Bush Senior that

227701:39:51,368 --> 01:39:56,828mr. president you don't have top

227801:39:54,189 --> 01:39:59,949clearance to get to these files he was

227901:39:56,828 --> 01:40:01,359told that by the by the CIA director so

228001:39:59,948 --> 01:40:02,498you know you've got a situation where


228101:40:01,359 --> 01:40:05,649the most powerful man on the planet

228201:40:02,498 --> 01:40:07,688doesn't have clearance to the file so

228301:40:05,649 --> 01:40:09,299that he's another one that I that I

228401:40:07,689 --> 01:40:12,969think has had some inside information

228501:40:09,300 --> 01:40:16,119Bill Clinton for sure is another person

228601:40:12,969 --> 01:40:18,429who was was sort of knocked the door he

228701:40:16,118 --> 01:40:21,188wanted to find out what's really going

228801:40:18,429 --> 01:40:23,800on with the issue you know the

228901:40:21,189 --> 01:40:26,139Rockefeller files really proved that

229001:40:23,800 --> 01:40:29,260that he had a deep interest in this

229101:40:26,139 --> 01:40:33,010stuff but for some reason did not act

229201:40:29,260 --> 01:40:35,770upon it and what the story is there and

229301:40:33,010 --> 01:40:38,739this is in a book by webster hubbell the

229401:40:35,770 --> 01:40:40,710people in high places it was a very


229501:40:38,738 --> 01:40:44,078close friend of and I say this because

229601:40:40,710 --> 01:40:46,029presidents are treated in a certain way

229701:40:44,078 --> 01:40:48,429but what happened with this situation

229801:40:46,029 --> 01:40:50,769was web Hubbell was brought into the

229901:40:48,429 --> 01:40:53,078office friend of President Clinton and

230001:40:50,770 --> 01:40:54,520Clinton said to him mister you know hub

230101:40:53,078 --> 01:40:57,849I'm going to assign you to the Justice

230201:40:54,520 --> 01:40:59,559Department and I'm really curious about

230301:40:57,849 --> 01:41:01,599a couple of things I want you to find

230401:40:59,559 --> 01:41:04,179out two things I want you to find it who

230501:41:01,599 --> 01:41:07,328killed Jack Kennedy and what this UFO

230601:41:04,179 --> 01:41:08,859issue is all about and you know webster

230701:41:07,328 --> 01:41:10,359hubbell went to the Justice Department I

230801:41:08,859 --> 01:41:13,658think he spent 18 months there I'm not

2309


01:41:10,359 --> 01:41:15,698sure exactly the tenure of the state but

231001:41:13,658 --> 01:41:18,460after his stay finished he came back to

231101:41:15,698 --> 01:41:19,629the president and said you know reported

231201:41:18,460 --> 01:41:23,260back to the president he said mr.

231301:41:19,630 --> 01:41:25,389president if you do find out what this

231401:41:23,260 --> 01:41:29,829UFO issue is all about you will land up

231501:41:25,389 --> 01:41:31,900like Jack Kennedy so I guess that said

231601:41:29,828 --> 01:41:34,210kind of set the stage for mr. Clinton

231701:41:31,899 --> 01:41:36,638dicta to shut his mouth or not be as

231801:41:34,210 --> 01:41:39,460active as he might have wanted to be in

231901:41:36,639 --> 01:41:42,309terms of that so I think presidents know

232001:41:39,460 --> 01:41:44,078about this information and the

232101:41:42,309 --> 01:41:46,510discussion that I've had with with

232201:41:44,078 --> 01:41:48,250several people is that once these these

232301:41:46,510 --> 01:41:49,960


people are elected president you know

232401:41:48,250 --> 01:41:52,658the Barack Obama's of the world and

232501:41:49,960 --> 01:41:55,059ostensibly the Hillary Clinton's and all

232601:41:52,658 --> 01:41:57,429the presidents down you know throughout

232701:41:55,059 --> 01:41:59,170history what happens is they're elected

232801:41:57,429 --> 01:42:00,670and these people come and go you know

232901:41:59,170 --> 01:42:03,460they're elected for four to eight years

233001:42:00,670 --> 01:42:05,349whatever their their stay is but there

233101:42:03,460 --> 01:42:07,239are people who are in power in

233201:42:05,349 --> 01:42:09,730Washington and I'm talking about big

233301:42:07,238 --> 01:42:11,408power and the as you mentioned earlier

233401:42:09,729 --> 01:42:14,109the the alphabet organizations or the

233501:42:11,408 --> 01:42:18,279Pentagon the president at a certain

233601:42:14,109 --> 01:42:20,289point is sat down and and is in front of

233701:42:18,279 --> 01:42:21,519these these people who really run the


233801:42:20,289 --> 01:42:24,460government the people who are there all

233901:42:21,520 --> 01:42:26,650the time you know the civil servants so

234001:42:24,460 --> 01:42:28,118to speak the president has sat down by

234101:42:26,649 --> 01:42:32,078these people and said mr. president

234201:42:28,118 --> 01:42:34,839here's how things work around here

234301:42:32,078 --> 01:42:36,359and here's what you can say and here's

234401:42:34,840 --> 01:42:39,510what you can't say

234501:42:36,359 --> 01:42:41,460and we're pretty certain that that's the

234601:42:39,510 --> 01:42:44,119way things work they just they're not

234701:42:41,460 --> 01:42:46,609allowed to talk about certain things and

234801:42:44,118 --> 01:42:49,769it's going to take a very brave person

234901:42:46,609 --> 01:42:53,819that to break that mold if in fact they

235001:42:49,770 --> 01:42:57,719do so the chin of president is is really

235101:42:53,819 --> 01:42:59,698not as effective as a conduit as for


235201:42:57,719 --> 01:43:02,010disclosure as we think it might be

235301:42:59,698 --> 01:43:05,549however Barack Obama is proving to be

235401:43:02,010 --> 01:43:08,579one who appears to be allowing this

235501:43:05,550 --> 01:43:11,460information to kind of dribble out so

235601:43:08,578 --> 01:43:13,049over history you know the in answer to

235701:43:11,460 --> 01:43:15,480the to the person's question again

235801:43:13,050 --> 01:43:16,980presidents have always known about this

235901:43:15,479 --> 01:43:19,229but they've been restricted in their

236001:43:16,979 --> 01:43:21,029capacity to really come forward and talk

236101:43:19,229 --> 01:43:23,279about it because of national security

236201:43:21,029 --> 01:43:26,340that's the guys that they use they can't

236301:43:23,279 --> 01:43:28,289talk about it because the umbrella of

236401:43:26,340 --> 01:43:29,849so-called national security which i

236501:43:28,289 --> 01:43:31,139think is a hoarder as you know solo the

2366


01:43:29,849 --> 01:43:33,449horse Puckey as far as i'm concerned

236701:43:31,139 --> 01:43:35,730national security has nothing to do with

236801:43:33,448 --> 01:43:38,069this issue at all it's just the way the

236901:43:35,729 --> 01:43:41,339government does it that excuse not to

237001:43:38,069 --> 01:43:43,710talk about it well and and it still

237101:43:41,340 --> 01:43:45,869baffles me as you say that that there

237201:43:43,710 --> 01:43:47,908are things that the President of the

237301:43:45,868 --> 01:43:50,519United States does not have security

237401:43:47,908 --> 01:43:52,379clearance for that blows me away every

237501:43:50,520 --> 01:43:54,480time I hear that it just doesn't make

237601:43:52,380 --> 01:43:55,889sense to me it doesn't compute it was

237701:43:54,479 --> 01:43:58,979irrational you're right it's not a

237801:43:55,889 --> 01:44:01,590rational point of view but then you hear

237901:43:58,979 --> 01:44:04,019John Podesta once again it always comes

238001:44:01,590 --> 01:44:07,230


back to Podesta how in the hell is he

238101:44:04,020 --> 01:44:09,960allowed to say the things that he is

238201:44:07,229 --> 01:44:12,569because we see so many lesser-known x'

238301:44:09,960 --> 01:44:16,429who have been killed who have been

238401:44:12,569 --> 01:44:19,109absolutely thwarted with pornography

238501:44:16,429 --> 01:44:21,710child pornography on their computers

238601:44:19,109 --> 01:44:24,078we've seen a lot of people absolutely

238701:44:21,710 --> 01:44:27,300crushed at the hands of the government

238801:44:24,078 --> 01:44:29,130reputation lies and yet here's John

238901:44:27,300 --> 01:44:31,260Podesta who is becoming one of the

239001:44:29,130 --> 01:44:34,650biggest mouths of them all on this

239101:44:31,260 --> 01:44:38,940subject and he's not being told to shut

239201:44:34,649 --> 01:44:41,879up right and I think it's a it's a great

239301:44:38,939 --> 01:44:43,919point that you're making and I think the

239401:44:41,880 --> 01:44:45,960reason that is happening once again just


239501:44:43,920 --> 01:44:47,969my opinion you know I I've been involved

239601:44:45,960 --> 01:44:49,039list for 40 years so I has a very very

239701:44:47,969 --> 01:44:53,680firm opinions I

239801:44:49,039 --> 01:44:58,010what's going on I my sense is David that

239901:44:53,680 --> 01:44:59,390that if the government has a handle on

240001:44:58,010 --> 01:45:03,140this situation which I think they do

240101:44:59,390 --> 01:45:07,010they they know what's going on I'm quite

240201:45:03,140 --> 01:45:08,750open to the idea that the the government

240301:45:07,010 --> 01:45:10,789when I save the government I don't mean

240401:45:08,750 --> 01:45:12,850the elected officials but the the

240501:45:10,789 --> 01:45:15,229establishment within the government

240601:45:12,850 --> 01:45:17,360rightfully recognizes that there's no

240701:45:15,229 --> 01:45:20,389way that they can keep critical mass of

240801:45:17,359 --> 01:45:22,039information under wraps forever and the


240901:45:20,390 --> 01:45:24,020the current situation with Hillary

241001:45:22,039 --> 01:45:26,479Clinton and John Podesta is a very good

241101:45:24,020 --> 01:45:29,660indication of that so they realize that

241201:45:26,479 --> 01:45:32,119you know listen we can't really control

241301:45:29,659 --> 01:45:33,619this whole thing the way we used to

241401:45:32,119 --> 01:45:35,420because the media is becoming a little

241501:45:33,619 --> 01:45:37,760more savvy about this although they're

241601:45:35,420 --> 01:45:41,690not doing their job completely some of

241701:45:37,760 --> 01:45:44,210the spokespeople are becoming more open

241801:45:41,689 --> 01:45:47,059about this but not completely

241901:45:44,210 --> 01:45:48,619you know documents are coming out and

242001:45:47,060 --> 01:45:50,690telling the story but not completely

242101:45:48,619 --> 01:45:52,729there's no full story on this whole

242201:45:50,689 --> 01:45:55,519thing yet and that's sort of a part of a

2423


01:45:52,729 --> 01:45:58,579plan and I think there may be in fact

242401:45:55,520 --> 01:46:02,480David a concerted plan to desensitize

242501:45:58,579 --> 01:46:05,149media and the general public for some

242601:46:02,479 --> 01:46:08,089sort of awareness campaign that will

242701:46:05,149 --> 01:46:11,349indeed allow us to begin the discourse

242801:46:08,090 --> 01:46:14,960about offworld civilizations and I think

242901:46:11,350 --> 01:46:18,170Richard Dolan's book ad after disclosure

243001:46:14,960 --> 01:46:19,909people's guide a to disclosure it gives

243101:46:18,170 --> 01:46:22,159a great indication to us if you've read

243201:46:19,909 --> 01:46:24,979that book as to how this whole thing

243301:46:22,159 --> 01:46:27,710might happen be sensitized in the public

243401:46:24,979 --> 01:46:30,049and gradually leaking this information

243501:46:27,710 --> 01:46:31,460out to a point where you know there's a

243601:46:30,050 --> 01:46:33,020little bit of this and a little bit of

243701:46:31,460 --> 01:46:36,500


that and a little bit of you know kind

243801:46:33,020 --> 01:46:39,470of like a you know a real soft sell on

243901:46:36,500 --> 01:46:41,060this whole thing and I think that's

244001:46:39,470 --> 01:46:43,430where we're headed in terms of what what

244101:46:41,060 --> 01:46:44,690I call you know small D disclosure

244201:46:43,430 --> 01:46:46,730that's where it's going to happen

244301:46:44,689 --> 01:46:48,889because the good ever tell everything

244401:46:46,729 --> 01:46:51,049that they that they have in their files

244501:46:48,890 --> 01:46:53,630age that's just not going to happen but

244601:46:51,050 --> 01:46:56,079all we have to do and as is all that I'm

244701:46:53,630 --> 01:46:59,150involved in is have the government

244801:46:56,079 --> 01:47:01,069acknowledged that this is a real

244901:46:59,149 --> 01:47:01,929phenomenon I don't I don't care about

245001:47:01,069 --> 01:47:03,939the file

245101:47:01,929 --> 01:47:06,130I really don't I don't care about that


245201:47:03,939 --> 01:47:08,799what the president thinks all I want

245301:47:06,130 --> 01:47:11,859them to do and myself and Steve Bassett

245401:47:08,800 --> 01:47:12,849and Nick Pope and grant Cameron is

245501:47:11,859 --> 01:47:14,889standing for all the people that were

245601:47:12,849 --> 01:47:17,380having at the earring all we want is for

245701:47:14,889 --> 01:47:20,170the government to acknowledge this exist

245801:47:17,380 --> 01:47:20,590we'll take it from there we'll take it

245901:47:20,170 --> 01:47:22,809from there

246001:47:20,590 --> 01:47:24,550just acknowledge this stuff is real and

246101:47:22,809 --> 01:47:27,070then shut up we don't we don't care what

246201:47:24,550 --> 01:47:28,900you know we will eventually find out the

246301:47:27,069 --> 01:47:31,118truth and knowledge this is real and

246401:47:28,899 --> 01:47:33,219we'll take over from there because you

246501:47:31,118 --> 01:47:35,170know we have the capacity to tell the


246601:47:33,219 --> 01:47:37,210planet what this is all about without

246701:47:35,170 --> 01:47:40,328being lied to by a government we don't

246801:47:37,210 --> 01:47:42,399need any more lies so that's the key

246901:47:40,328 --> 01:47:44,649issue here is if the government

247001:47:42,399 --> 01:47:46,598acknowledges that the et presence is

247101:47:44,649 --> 01:47:48,969real that's all we need we don't need

247201:47:46,599 --> 01:47:51,489any more than that and so in terms of

247301:47:48,969 --> 01:47:53,260what Podesta is doing he's allowing that

247401:47:51,488 --> 01:47:56,109to happen that they will eventually

247501:47:53,260 --> 01:47:59,079acknowledge that there is some sort of

247601:47:56,109 --> 01:48:01,420offworld existence that may be real and

247701:47:59,078 --> 01:48:04,899they can coach it in whatever terms they

247801:48:01,420 --> 01:48:06,880they they want but as soon as the cat

247901:48:04,899 --> 01:48:08,710will be out of the bag and then we could

2480


01:48:06,880 --> 01:48:10,630take over and do whatever we want in

248101:48:08,710 --> 01:48:12,010terms of how this thing goes and just

248201:48:10,630 --> 01:48:13,989wait for the extraterrestrials to

248301:48:12,010 --> 01:48:15,909realize that that we're now mature

248401:48:13,988 --> 01:48:17,319enough to talk about this as a society

248501:48:15,908 --> 01:48:19,210and that's where this is the real

248601:48:17,319 --> 01:48:22,328disclosure is going to happen when we as

248701:48:19,210 --> 01:48:24,908a social society as a social entity as a

248801:48:22,328 --> 01:48:27,578as a civilization begin to talk about

248901:48:24,908 --> 01:48:29,078this as a real entity among ourselves we

249001:48:27,578 --> 01:48:31,599don't need the government to take over

249101:48:29,078 --> 01:48:33,698and do whatever that they might do with

249201:48:31,599 --> 01:48:35,920this issue because the ETS are really in

249301:48:33,698 --> 01:48:39,219control and not the government so with

249401:48:35,920 --> 01:48:41,260


respect to John Podesta he's a tool he's

249501:48:39,219 --> 01:48:43,800a conduit through which this this

249601:48:41,260 --> 01:48:48,039information is becoming more and more

249701:48:43,800 --> 01:48:50,349palatable more sellable more you know

249801:48:48,038 --> 01:48:53,618more open and he sort of I think he's

249901:48:50,349 --> 01:48:55,059being used in a way to to bring people

250001:48:53,618 --> 01:48:57,988to the notion that something really is

250101:48:55,059 --> 01:49:00,279going on and I think that's his key role

250201:48:57,988 --> 01:49:02,379Galen has a question in the Esso our

250301:49:00,279 --> 01:49:04,630space travelers for you there are so

250401:49:02,380 --> 01:49:06,940many scientists that have disappeared or

250501:49:04,630 --> 01:49:09,190a murdered over the years Victor do you

250601:49:06,939 --> 01:49:11,229not think that it is still happening now

250701:49:09,189 --> 01:49:13,658or do you really believe somebody will

250801:49:11,229 --> 01:49:15,899release the info and live to tell about


250901:49:13,658 --> 01:49:15,899it

251001:49:17,310 --> 01:49:23,530well first I got I've got to say that um

251101:49:20,020 --> 01:49:25,900you know that this whole idea of people

251201:49:23,529 --> 01:49:28,829being put away because of what they know

251301:49:25,899 --> 01:49:32,079or what they what they might know I

251401:49:28,829 --> 01:49:34,689fully realized that that may be a tactic

251501:49:32,079 --> 01:49:37,000of somebody with within the so-called

251601:49:34,689 --> 01:49:38,649government and you know we've got some

251701:49:37,000 --> 01:49:41,649information that there that's the way

251801:49:38,649 --> 01:49:44,500they handle some individuals and whether

251901:49:41,649 --> 01:49:45,969scientists have been you know put away

252001:49:44,500 --> 01:49:49,600because of what they know or what they

252101:49:45,969 --> 01:49:53,109might might say I really don't know it's

252201:49:49,600 --> 01:49:56,770part of an area speculation David that I


252301:49:53,109 --> 01:49:59,139really don't indulge in a whole lot I

252401:49:56,770 --> 01:50:01,750think when we really get down to what's

252501:49:59,140 --> 01:50:04,600going on eventually we are going to be

252601:50:01,750 --> 01:50:06,819will find out some of their really

252701:50:04,600 --> 01:50:08,920dastardly things that governments

252801:50:06,819 --> 01:50:10,689collectively have done in order to keep

252901:50:08,920 --> 01:50:12,699this stuff hidden and it would not

253001:50:10,689 --> 01:50:16,869surprise me one bit

253101:50:12,698 --> 01:50:20,049if murder marks you know suicides or or

253201:50:16,869 --> 01:50:23,710whatever are part of their plan it may

253301:50:20,050 --> 01:50:25,119have been part of their plan and so it I

253401:50:23,710 --> 01:50:26,710guess my answer to the questions I'm not

253501:50:25,119 --> 01:50:28,300I'm not surprised I would not be

253601:50:26,710 --> 01:50:30,810surprised if that is in fact would be

2537


01:50:28,300 --> 01:50:34,659but I really don't have the information

253801:50:30,810 --> 01:50:36,699to prove that that that's one of the

253901:50:34,659 --> 01:50:38,800government tactics I really don't and I

254001:50:36,698 --> 01:50:41,829you know what I don't dwell on that

254101:50:38,800 --> 01:50:44,710because it really doesn't really advance

254201:50:41,829 --> 01:50:46,869the cause of trying to open this whole

254301:50:44,710 --> 01:50:48,880issue up and that's part of the whole

254401:50:46,869 --> 01:50:51,340problem with this issue David is that

254501:50:48,880 --> 01:50:53,739there's so many tentacles to this issue

254601:50:51,340 --> 01:50:55,060so many different tentacles is that the

254701:50:53,738 --> 01:50:57,069one that we just talked about in terms

254801:50:55,060 --> 01:50:58,870of you know putting scientists away and

254901:50:57,069 --> 01:51:03,039you know whether there's benevolent or

255001:50:58,869 --> 01:51:05,769benign you know or aggressive 80s

255101:51:03,039 --> 01:51:08,350


we'll find out eventually you know once

255201:51:05,770 --> 01:51:11,500we become the essence of this issue is

255301:51:08,350 --> 01:51:13,420once we become a species that these

255401:51:11,500 --> 01:51:16,238whoever these ETS are once they

255501:51:13,420 --> 01:51:19,630recognize us as a mature species that

255601:51:16,238 --> 01:51:22,089can handle part of this whole membership

255701:51:19,630 --> 01:51:22,779in this galactic Association whatever it

255801:51:22,090 --> 01:51:25,270might be

255901:51:22,779 --> 01:51:27,789once they sense that that's when their

256001:51:25,270 --> 01:51:29,020contact will occur that you know it's

256101:51:27,789 --> 01:51:31,329already occurring

256201:51:29,020 --> 01:51:33,100our experiences we know that that's the

256301:51:31,329 --> 01:51:35,380conduit through which there they're

256401:51:33,100 --> 01:51:39,550making themselves known in a in a very

256501:51:35,380 --> 01:51:40,750very real sincere and obvious way but


256601:51:39,550 --> 01:51:41,920the fact of the matter is with

256701:51:40,750 --> 01:51:44,229government as soon as you've given to

256801:51:41,920 --> 01:51:45,640the government angle on this then you

256901:51:44,229 --> 01:51:47,739become involved in all these conspiracy

257001:51:45,640 --> 01:51:50,200theories they do it in order to keep

257101:51:47,739 --> 01:51:53,889this information quiet and and all of

257201:51:50,199 --> 01:51:56,139that and if you if you engage yourself

257301:51:53,890 --> 01:51:58,090in that kind of talk all the time it

257401:51:56,140 --> 01:52:00,640leads you nowhere it all it does is

257501:51:58,090 --> 01:52:03,579frustrate you what we have to do is take

257601:52:00,640 --> 01:52:06,250a positive approach to attempting to

257701:52:03,579 --> 01:52:08,319cooperate or at least ask for government

257801:52:06,250 --> 01:52:11,859cooperation and say listen you know we

257901:52:08,319 --> 01:52:14,019know you know what's going on so you


258001:52:11,859 --> 01:52:15,759know just stop ragging in the puck you

258101:52:14,020 --> 01:52:17,350know this all we want is the truth and

258201:52:15,760 --> 01:52:19,270it just you know this be mature about

258301:52:17,350 --> 01:52:21,820this if there's a reason if there's a

258401:52:19,270 --> 01:52:23,020really reason why we shouldn't know

258501:52:21,819 --> 01:52:25,210about this tell us

258601:52:23,020 --> 01:52:26,890and then we'll shut up you know there

258701:52:25,210 --> 01:52:29,649and you know what we should not just

258801:52:26,890 --> 01:52:33,000dispense with that possibility there may

258901:52:29,649 --> 01:52:35,619in fact be date a good reason why we

259001:52:33,000 --> 01:52:37,119should not know about this I mean I

259101:52:35,619 --> 01:52:39,519don't agree with that position you know

259201:52:37,119 --> 01:52:41,769there may be you know maybe that maybe

259301:52:39,520 --> 01:52:45,130there are you know that the the the

2594


01:52:41,770 --> 01:52:46,720television program was a Stargate you

259501:52:45,130 --> 01:52:48,460know with that that whole operation

259601:52:46,720 --> 01:52:50,260trying to fend off these bad aliens from

259701:52:48,460 --> 01:52:54,010coming here and having us for breakfast

259801:52:50,260 --> 01:52:55,570and all that you know I'm that happening

259901:52:54,010 --> 01:52:58,090and we just don't know about it maybe

260001:52:55,569 --> 01:53:01,509there maybe there is you know a galactic

260101:52:58,090 --> 01:53:04,750war going on that our earth is this part

260201:53:01,510 --> 01:53:06,640of the the whole scenario to be covered

260301:53:04,750 --> 01:53:09,340and that we are they know there are

260401:53:06,640 --> 01:53:11,140alien races are are helping to protect

260501:53:09,340 --> 01:53:13,329us that that may be happening I'm

260601:53:11,140 --> 01:53:16,390convinced that anything is possible and

260701:53:13,329 --> 01:53:16,869and once we find out what's really going

260801:53:16,390 --> 01:53:19,990


on

260901:53:16,869 --> 01:53:22,329I am remain convinced that it will be

261001:53:19,989 --> 01:53:25,420totally different than what we think it

261101:53:22,329 --> 01:53:26,890really is I'm convinced of that and I'm

261201:53:25,420 --> 01:53:27,250prepared for the biggest shock of my

261301:53:26,890 --> 01:53:29,200life

261401:53:27,250 --> 01:53:32,289when disclosure happens if I'm still

261501:53:29,199 --> 01:53:36,519around when it does and my response will

261601:53:32,289 --> 01:53:39,430be holy Lord I had no idea that that was

261701:53:36,520 --> 01:53:41,290a possibility and it what I call it's

261801:53:39,430 --> 01:53:43,030what I call David the thought that's

261901:53:41,289 --> 01:53:45,850never been thought before

262001:53:43,029 --> 01:53:47,829right you know what I'm saying it says

262101:53:45,850 --> 01:53:50,620loss ability you know times it's just it

262201:53:47,829 --> 01:53:53,470we just don't we don't have the capacity


262301:53:50,619 --> 01:53:56,050to fathom what the consequences might be

262401:53:53,470 --> 01:53:59,350of contact and so I mean I'm you know

262501:53:56,050 --> 01:54:00,670I'm open on all possibilities so in in I

262601:53:59,350 --> 01:54:03,310guess and answers of the question the

262701:54:00,670 --> 01:54:05,170more you you know get involved with this

262801:54:03,310 --> 01:54:07,450kind of you know what the government is

262901:54:05,170 --> 01:54:09,609doing in the conspiracies and all of

263001:54:07,449 --> 01:54:12,189that the more you started you're chasing

263101:54:09,609 --> 01:54:14,469your tail and and that's part of MIT

263201:54:12,189 --> 01:54:16,089design to keep us occupied and chasing

263301:54:14,470 --> 01:54:17,740our tail about this whole issue well

263401:54:16,090 --> 01:54:21,039fine let them talk about all that are

263501:54:17,739 --> 01:54:22,899there you know good for a you know

263601:54:21,039 --> 01:54:25,630a lack out here you know don't want to


263701:54:22,899 --> 01:54:28,000use that word on air but I did but you

263801:54:25,630 --> 01:54:30,670know that let them talk about that all

263901:54:28,000 --> 01:54:31,810that other stuff exact long as long as

264001:54:30,670 --> 01:54:34,630you're talking about that other stuff

264101:54:31,810 --> 01:54:36,340then you know the real stuff is not

264201:54:34,630 --> 01:54:38,949really going to come out and that's okay

264301:54:36,340 --> 01:54:40,779you know and that's part of the reason

264401:54:38,949 --> 01:54:43,239why we're doing we're doing we want to

264501:54:40,779 --> 01:54:45,699be authentic with our government they

264601:54:43,239 --> 01:54:48,699are our representatives they are our

264701:54:45,699 --> 01:54:50,019servants now that's you know most people

264801:54:48,699 --> 01:54:52,689say well my goodness Victor you're not

264901:54:50,020 --> 01:54:54,130that naive to say the government is our

265001:54:52,689 --> 01:54:55,750you know these people that have been our

2651


01:54:54,130 --> 01:54:57,880servants well yes they are

265201:54:55,750 --> 01:54:59,529and the problem is our elected

265301:54:57,880 --> 01:55:02,619representatives the people that we put

265401:54:59,529 --> 01:55:04,719in the chairs in Parliament they are our

265501:55:02,619 --> 01:55:06,399representatives and they have every

265601:55:04,720 --> 01:55:09,430right to know about what's going on and

265701:55:06,399 --> 01:55:10,929they to this day remain ignorant about

265801:55:09,430 --> 01:55:13,240the fact of what's really going on

265901:55:10,930 --> 01:55:15,760behind the scenes so as soon as we get

266001:55:13,239 --> 01:55:17,349our elected representatives plugged into

266101:55:15,760 --> 01:55:18,130this is saying how long has this been

266201:55:17,350 --> 01:55:20,170going on

266301:55:18,130 --> 01:55:23,050do you mean to say that there's

266401:55:20,170 --> 01:55:25,239information about you know are just

266501:55:23,050 --> 01:55:26,470


chasing these things well yes there is

266601:55:25,239 --> 01:55:28,750what do you mean there's information

266701:55:26,470 --> 01:55:31,420about back-engineering well yes there is

266801:55:28,750 --> 01:55:33,430I mean that the litany will go on and

266901:55:31,420 --> 01:55:35,710and and these people will be astounded

267001:55:33,430 --> 01:55:37,300by what we know and that's why people

267101:55:35,710 --> 01:55:40,029like you and I are important because

267201:55:37,300 --> 01:55:45,250when the time comes we will inform our

267301:55:40,029 --> 01:55:47,199elected representative on disclosure and

267401:55:45,250 --> 01:55:49,600that's why we're working towards having

267501:55:47,199 --> 01:55:53,439government be part of this collaborative

267601:55:49,600 --> 01:55:55,900effort about about people peppering them

267701:55:53,439 --> 01:55:56,948the elected representatives never mind

267801:55:55,899 --> 01:55:59,079the intelligence agent

267901:55:56,948 --> 01:56:00,759you know who are in charge of hiding


268001:55:59,079 --> 01:56:02,260this information once the elected

268101:56:00,760 --> 01:56:04,420representatives get a hold of this issue

268201:56:02,260 --> 01:56:06,940and they realize that they've been taken

268301:56:04,420 --> 01:56:08,409that they've been lied to themselves not

268401:56:06,939 --> 01:56:09,819only have the people been lied to

268501:56:08,409 --> 01:56:11,738but our elected representatives have

268601:56:09,819 --> 01:56:13,869been lied to by these by the alphabet

268701:56:11,738 --> 01:56:16,779agencies that you alluded to earlier so

268801:56:13,869 --> 01:56:19,840we're dealing with this this mail storm

268901:56:16,779 --> 01:56:20,889of anger if this ever does come to

269001:56:19,840 --> 01:56:22,539fruition that our elected

269101:56:20,890 --> 01:56:24,579representatives realize that they too

269201:56:22,539 --> 01:56:26,979have been lied to so that's another

269301:56:24,579 --> 01:56:29,198facet of this and that's why this


269401:56:26,979 --> 01:56:31,238hearing has taken place so that we can

269501:56:29,198 --> 01:56:33,399get this information out get our elected

269601:56:31,238 --> 01:56:35,559representatives and the media to say how

269701:56:33,399 --> 01:56:37,569long has it been going on why didn't we

269801:56:35,560 --> 01:56:39,640know about this why do we not take it

269901:56:37,569 --> 01:56:41,710seriously and then we can fully explain

270001:56:39,640 --> 01:56:43,960to them what the whole process is and

270101:56:41,710 --> 01:56:45,550what's going on and if you want to sit

270201:56:43,960 --> 01:56:47,529down and talk about this hey listen

270301:56:45,550 --> 01:56:49,329we're open to that you know we'll meet

270401:56:47,529 --> 01:56:51,309you we'll talk with you we'll give you

270501:56:49,329 --> 01:56:53,198all the information we have and then you

270601:56:51,310 --> 01:56:55,210can take this to the bank and do

270701:56:53,198 --> 01:56:58,899whatever you need to do with this make

2708


01:56:55,210 --> 01:57:01,090it the third rail of politics in Canada

270901:56:58,899 --> 01:57:03,488come on making this a conservative or

271001:57:01,090 --> 01:57:05,319liberal issue this is the people's issue

271101:57:03,488 --> 01:57:08,139because when you come right down to it

271201:57:05,319 --> 01:57:11,649David this whole issue boils down to one

271301:57:08,140 --> 01:57:13,960simple fact okay it's one simple fact

271401:57:11,649 --> 01:57:16,149that we as a species are on the

271501:57:13,960 --> 01:57:18,060threshold of our next step in evolution

271601:57:16,149 --> 01:57:20,439that's what it all boils down to

271701:57:18,060 --> 01:57:24,520absolutely and you know what the other

271801:57:20,439 --> 01:57:26,019part to that Victor is the fact that if

271901:57:24,520 --> 01:57:27,190the politicians are supposed to be the

272001:57:26,020 --> 01:57:29,469voice of the people the people are

272101:57:27,189 --> 01:57:31,539supposed to be able to have the answers

272201:57:29,469 --> 01:57:33,340


there's has to be no secrets that's

272301:57:31,539 --> 01:57:35,350right exactly I want to sneak in one

272401:57:33,340 --> 01:57:37,239question here because this can go in so

272501:57:35,350 --> 01:57:38,620many different ways and we got four

272601:57:37,238 --> 01:57:40,928minutes before we got to go to break

272701:57:38,619 --> 01:57:42,819here and just so you know audience

272801:57:40,929 --> 01:57:45,219Victor will be with us for the final

272901:57:42,819 --> 01:57:47,590hour as well tonight so we thank Victor

273001:57:45,219 --> 01:57:50,198for that Roz in paranormal form is

273101:57:47,590 --> 01:57:52,659asking Victor do you or do you believe

273201:57:50,198 --> 01:57:54,789that someone like Tom DeLonge who is

273301:57:52,659 --> 01:57:58,359very very much pressing the button on

273401:57:54,789 --> 01:57:59,979the media side with UFO disclosure do

273501:57:58,359 --> 01:58:01,988you believe he is part of the disclosure

273601:57:59,979 --> 01:58:04,769project or do you believe he is part of


273701:58:01,988 --> 01:58:04,769the disinformation

273801:58:06,639 --> 01:58:16,300my simple answer is I don't know I think

273901:58:11,520 --> 01:58:18,670Tom's work is is important and whether

274001:58:16,300 --> 01:58:21,730he's part of or whether the information

274101:58:18,670 --> 01:58:23,440is whether he is whether his information

274201:58:21,729 --> 01:58:27,309is part of it of a sort of an

274301:58:23,439 --> 01:58:30,009obfuscation or you know miss direction

274401:58:27,310 --> 01:58:34,960or disinformation or whether it's

274501:58:30,010 --> 01:58:37,539authentic it in a way it it doesn't

274601:58:34,960 --> 01:58:40,539matter you know it the fact of the

274701:58:37,539 --> 01:58:43,658matter is it's coming forward and once

274801:58:40,539 --> 01:58:45,609you listen to anyone you know the

274901:58:43,658 --> 01:58:47,529position that he has taken on this whole

275001:58:45,609 --> 01:58:50,109thing once you listen to that


275101:58:47,529 --> 01:58:52,349information rational people have to make

275201:58:50,109 --> 01:58:54,698a decision have to make a choice about

275301:58:52,350 --> 01:58:57,670what this is the quality of the

275401:58:54,698 --> 01:58:59,198information okay and it's it's like

275501:58:57,670 --> 01:59:00,940Hillary Clinton saying I'm gonna come

275601:58:59,198 --> 01:59:05,049forward and I'm gonna ask for all the

275701:59:00,939 --> 01:59:08,259file you know fine I mean she can say

275801:59:05,050 --> 01:59:10,239that and be and and issue she may get

275901:59:08,260 --> 01:59:12,780them or she may not but the important

276001:59:10,238 --> 01:59:15,368issue is that she's raising the issue

276101:59:12,779 --> 01:59:16,929okay that's the important that's the

276201:59:15,368 --> 01:59:18,908important part of what's happening here

276301:59:16,929 --> 01:59:21,399it's not the fact that she will or will

276401:59:18,908 --> 01:59:23,109not be able to to open the files and get

2765


01:59:21,399 --> 01:59:25,059them out it's the fact that she's

276601:59:23,109 --> 01:59:28,089raising the issue so I think the work

276701:59:25,060 --> 01:59:30,909that DeLong is doing is doing he it the

276801:59:28,090 --> 01:59:31,989issue is being raised now the quality of

276901:59:30,908 --> 01:59:34,179the information the authenticity

277001:59:31,988 --> 01:59:36,959information is another question

277101:59:34,179 --> 01:59:40,118altogether it's all part of what I call

277201:59:36,960 --> 01:59:43,779converging lines of evidence no one

277301:59:40,118 --> 01:59:45,729piece of information is is is more

277401:59:43,779 --> 01:59:50,618important any other it's like a it's

277501:59:45,729 --> 01:59:54,000like a bunch of pieces of a puzzle in a

277601:59:50,618 --> 01:59:57,670book you know like a huge huge huge

277701:59:54,000 --> 02:00:01,569puzzle you know complex puzzle but

277801:59:57,670 --> 02:00:04,449there's no picture on the box for sure

277902:00:01,569 --> 02:00:07,118


you see the yeah you get the image there

278002:00:04,448 --> 02:00:09,428Emily don't ya I mean we had nothing to

278102:00:07,118 --> 02:00:11,559compare it to so all the pieces of the

278202:00:09,429 --> 02:00:13,658puzzle together and you don't have some

278302:00:11,560 --> 02:00:14,949sort of you know picture of to what it

278402:00:13,658 --> 02:00:16,420might look like once you assemble all

278502:00:14,948 --> 02:00:17,678the pieces of the puzzle you really

278602:00:16,420 --> 02:00:18,789don't know where you're going that's

278702:00:17,679 --> 02:00:20,440where we're at

278802:00:18,789 --> 02:00:23,859we've got all these pieces of these

278902:00:20,439 --> 02:00:25,988puzzles or the puzzle and we're being

279002:00:23,859 --> 02:00:28,000asked to put this together without any

279102:00:25,988 --> 02:00:29,859kind of reference point and that's

279202:00:28,000 --> 02:00:32,198that's not that's not good it no it's

279302:00:29,859 --> 02:00:34,269that's not that's not good a situation


279402:00:32,198 --> 02:00:36,369for a society to be in and that's a

279502:00:34,270 --> 02:00:39,640result of the secrecy and the lies that

279602:00:36,369 --> 02:00:42,219we've been told by by agents you know

279702:00:39,640 --> 02:00:44,829that are not elected represent agents

279802:00:42,219 --> 02:00:47,198with it within the government so that we

279902:00:44,829 --> 02:00:49,329have to deal with the angle and with the

280002:00:47,198 --> 02:00:51,759the concept of secrecy in silence and

280102:00:49,329 --> 02:00:54,100get that out of the way once we get the

280202:00:51,760 --> 02:00:56,409secrecy in silence our way and open the

280302:00:54,100 --> 02:00:58,630discourse will at least have some sort

280402:00:56,409 --> 02:01:00,698of you know picture on the box to

280502:00:58,630 --> 02:01:01,329compare our our information with say

280602:01:00,698 --> 02:01:02,738okay fine

280702:01:01,329 --> 02:01:05,619this piece goes here this piece was


280802:01:02,738 --> 02:01:07,988there and this piece oh this is what it

280902:01:05,619 --> 02:01:10,329might look like I mean that's the way

281002:01:07,988 --> 02:01:13,059that's the way good rational thinking

281102:01:10,329 --> 02:01:14,619happens and that's the way good teaching

281202:01:13,060 --> 02:01:16,420and learning happens that's the way

281302:01:14,619 --> 02:01:19,630species advance that's the way species

281402:01:16,420 --> 02:01:21,579learn they do it in a rational authentic

281502:01:19,630 --> 02:01:24,969way and if there's any one issue that

281602:01:21,579 --> 02:01:28,359has become totally chaotic and

281702:01:24,969 --> 02:01:31,448unauthentic it's this you the issue it's

281802:01:28,359 --> 02:01:33,579a total complete mess that we're being

281902:01:31,448 --> 02:01:35,679asked to understand and then you've got

282002:01:33,579 --> 02:01:37,539all these other people that are putting

282102:01:35,680 --> 02:01:39,579in information disinformation and

2822


02:01:37,539 --> 02:01:41,979muddying the waters you know it's like

282302:01:39,579 --> 02:01:43,448you know that I live it to the pieces of

282402:01:41,979 --> 02:01:45,609the puzzle you know it's like they're

282502:01:43,448 --> 02:01:47,589dumping pieces of the puzzle that are

282602:01:45,609 --> 02:01:49,329Ravel irrelevant then there's not part

282702:01:47,590 --> 02:01:52,420of the whole picture so we have to

282802:01:49,329 --> 02:01:54,309decide which pieces to keep which pieces

282902:01:52,420 --> 02:01:58,420to discard and that's a very difficult

283002:01:54,310 --> 02:02:01,750process in a very complex world that we

283102:01:58,420 --> 02:02:03,789live in so on this we're really kind of

283202:02:01,750 --> 02:02:06,130groping in the dark in a lot of ways we

283302:02:03,789 --> 02:02:08,140know where we're going but we just don't

283402:02:06,130 --> 02:02:11,170have the next handle to grab on to and

283502:02:08,140 --> 02:02:13,270it's a it's a very difficult process so

283602:02:11,170 --> 02:02:15,250


you know in terms of that individuals

283702:02:13,270 --> 02:02:17,230work I don't know where to put it but

283802:02:15,250 --> 02:02:18,880the fact of the matter is that he's

283902:02:17,229 --> 02:02:21,209raising the issue and we just have to

284002:02:18,880 --> 02:02:23,500decide how authentic his information is

284102:02:21,210 --> 02:02:25,300we are talking with Victor V Gianni

284202:02:23,500 --> 02:02:28,210tonight on spaced-out radio we're gonna

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284402:02:28,210 --> 02:02:31,510final hour of this show when we come

284502:02:29,859 --> 02:02:32,619back Victor is going to be with us we're

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284702:02:32,619 --> 02:02:38,710we're gonna get to

284802:02:34,390 --> 02:02:40,660Eisenhower and some NORAD documents that

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298002:07:49,038 --> 02:07:52,519website tonight we are talking with

298102:07:51,020 --> 02:07:54,409Victor V Gianni from Zealand

298202:07:52,520 --> 02:07:57,500communications his website zealand

298302:07:54,408 --> 02:07:59,558communications dot blog spot.com we are

298402:07:57,500 --> 02:08:02,389talking disclosure we are talking

298502:07:59,559 --> 02:08:04,760evidence that it may be already

298602:08:02,389 --> 02:08:07,550happening welcome back Victor and thank

298702:08:04,760 --> 02:08:09,500you for coming on for the final our big

298802:08:07,550 --> 02:08:12,469three hours tonight that's a good one oh

298902:08:09,500 --> 02:08:15,590yeah for sure I hope people are enjoying

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299502:08:24,260 --> 02:08:31,579indeed I want to ask you in regards to

299602:08:28,420 --> 02:08:33,260Eisenhower the rumor is whether it's

299702:08:31,578 --> 02:08:38,538true or not we'll never know unless it

299802:08:33,260 --> 02:08:42,349comes out that in 1953-54 he is in

299902:08:38,538 --> 02:08:44,719California disappears they say the

300002:08:42,349 --> 02:08:47,569official statement was he had emergency

300102:08:44,719 --> 02:08:50,059dental surgery but many believe they he

300202:08:47,569 --> 02:08:52,038ended up at Edwards Air Force Base or an

300302:08:50,059 --> 02:08:54,079Air Force Base in California where he

300402:08:52,038 --> 02:08:56,679met with extraterrestrials so my

300502:08:54,078 --> 02:08:59,469question to you in regards to disclosure

300602:08:56,680 --> 02:09:03,159do you think that if it does come

300702:08:59,470 --> 02:09:05,020


through all of the sudden it's gonna go

300802:09:03,159 --> 02:09:09,099back to that Eisenhower deal which is

300902:09:05,020 --> 02:09:12,160said to be technology for humans in

301002:09:09,100 --> 02:09:14,350trade because there are so many people

301102:09:12,159 --> 02:09:16,739who have had negative extraterrestrial

301202:09:14,350 --> 02:09:19,960experiences with surgeries with

301302:09:16,739 --> 02:09:22,960pregnancies disappearing and so on so

301402:09:19,960 --> 02:09:26,230forth that if the government did make

301502:09:22,960 --> 02:09:28,899that deal for technology there would be

301602:09:26,229 --> 02:09:31,079one hell of a major lawsuit that could

301702:09:28,899 --> 02:09:34,750bankrupt the entire country

301802:09:31,079 --> 02:09:37,029yeah that's a it's a really that whole

301902:09:34,750 --> 02:09:40,060incident at Muroc care for his face at

302002:09:37,029 --> 02:09:42,039the time it's opened it to some severe

302102:09:40,060 --> 02:09:45,310speculation I've looked into it to


302202:09:42,039 --> 02:09:49,899myself I am I obtained that I obtained

302302:09:45,310 --> 02:09:52,900an entire diary of of Eisenhower's

302402:09:49,899 --> 02:09:58,149presidency a day-by-day chronicle of

302502:09:52,899 --> 02:09:59,739what he did and in looking at the day

302602:09:58,149 --> 02:10:01,449today it's just sort of his press

302702:09:59,739 --> 02:10:03,010secretary writing up what he did he had

302802:10:01,449 --> 02:10:05,590a meeting with so-and-so we played golf

302902:10:03,010 --> 02:10:07,390with soldiers on the state dinner and he

303002:10:05,590 --> 02:10:09,250and his wife did this an item that they

303102:10:07,390 --> 02:10:12,039met with certain officials and he took

303202:10:09,250 --> 02:10:16,630this trip and I went to the day of I

303302:10:12,039 --> 02:10:18,600think it was February the 21st was a 52

303402:10:16,630 --> 02:10:22,900or 53 whatever the year was I'm not sure

303502:10:18,600 --> 02:10:24,880but I went to the day that he was


303602:10:22,899 --> 02:10:27,189supposed to have gone you know he was

303702:10:24,880 --> 02:10:30,489away at his ranch or is his vacation

303802:10:27,189 --> 02:10:33,639spot in California and there's nothing

303902:10:30,489 --> 02:10:36,039on that day there's there's stuff on

304002:10:33,640 --> 02:10:38,500every single other day of his presidency

304102:10:36,039 --> 02:10:40,840but there's nothing on his calendar from

304202:10:38,500 --> 02:10:42,609that day so I mean what does that mean

304302:10:40,840 --> 02:10:44,440well who knows you can make out all

304402:10:42,609 --> 02:10:47,920kinds of assumptions about what that

304502:10:44,439 --> 02:10:50,229what that might mean but once again it's

304602:10:47,920 --> 02:10:52,119one of these situations where when this

304702:10:50,229 --> 02:10:56,019this this thing called disclosure does

304802:10:52,119 --> 02:10:58,479eventually happen it will clarify all of

304902:10:56,020 --> 02:11:00,670these these these different levels of

3050


02:10:58,479 --> 02:11:03,519speculation it'll just it'll it'll make

305102:11:00,670 --> 02:11:06,460them all either true or not true or part

305202:11:03,520 --> 02:11:10,180of the whole scenario my sense is that

305302:11:06,460 --> 02:11:11,590he did he did visit the base and he did

305402:11:10,180 --> 02:11:16,960bring

305502:11:11,590 --> 02:11:17,739a Catholic bishop with him from Chicago

305602:11:16,960 --> 02:11:21,609dead

305702:11:17,738 --> 02:11:22,539Bishop McKinley McKinley was there the

305802:11:21,609 --> 02:11:25,238bishop was there

305902:11:22,539 --> 02:11:29,609I've actually attempted to get the diary

306002:11:25,238 --> 02:11:33,609of McKinley but they won't give me

306102:11:29,609 --> 02:11:36,549McKinley was on an airplane after he

306202:11:33,609 --> 02:11:39,399left there and McKinley was on an

306302:11:36,550 --> 02:11:42,789airplane that had quote-unquote engine

306402:11:39,399 --> 02:11:44,429


trouble and landed and McKinley was on

306502:11:42,789 --> 02:11:46,869that airplane when it landed and

306602:11:44,429 --> 02:11:51,190McKinley was on that airplane when the

306702:11:46,869 --> 02:11:53,139FBI came onto the plane and said Bishop

306802:11:51,189 --> 02:11:54,638you you are not it the reason that he

306902:11:53,139 --> 02:11:57,069was on the plane and he was going to go

307002:11:54,639 --> 02:11:59,260to the Pope well Paula to Pope Pius the

307102:11:57,069 --> 02:12:01,77912th and and tell him what had happened

307202:11:59,260 --> 02:12:04,179at New York Air Force Base and the FBI

307302:12:01,779 --> 02:12:06,849came onto the plane as the story goes

307402:12:04,179 --> 02:12:09,908it's a minute you know Cardinal McKinley

307502:12:06,850 --> 02:12:12,789you are not going to tell anybody about

307602:12:09,908 --> 02:12:15,250what you did or saw at Muroc Air Force

307702:12:12,789 --> 02:12:18,819Base and essentially because the

307802:12:15,250 --> 02:12:22,149Cardinal said go to hell basically and


307902:12:18,819 --> 02:12:24,069he did visit Pope Pius the 12th and and

308002:12:22,149 --> 02:12:25,719and share the information about what

308102:12:24,069 --> 02:12:28,840happened at Muroc Air Force Base so

308202:12:25,719 --> 02:12:30,189that's the scenario and when I talked

308302:12:28,840 --> 02:12:32,380earlier about converging lines of

308402:12:30,189 --> 02:12:34,359evidence we seem to have information

308502:12:32,380 --> 02:12:38,980that because there's nothing on

308602:12:34,359 --> 02:12:40,899Eisenhower's counter and because we do

308702:12:38,979 --> 02:12:44,259have information and I have direct

308802:12:40,899 --> 02:12:47,920information from a Catholic priest in in

308902:12:44,260 --> 02:12:50,340New York City who has been told by a

309002:12:47,920 --> 02:12:54,219Jesuit priest at Georgetown University

309102:12:50,340 --> 02:12:57,130that in fact Cardinal McKinley was in

309202:12:54,219 --> 02:12:59,109fact there and was in fact intended to


309302:12:57,130 --> 02:13:00,789go to to see the Pope at the time and

309402:12:59,109 --> 02:13:05,619did in fact share this information with

309502:13:00,789 --> 02:13:07,448the Pope and you know it sounds it

309602:13:05,619 --> 02:13:12,219sounds incredible it sounds almost

309702:13:07,448 --> 02:13:16,359unbelievable but my source on this is as

309802:13:12,219 --> 02:13:18,609far as I'm concerned is impeccable so I

309902:13:16,359 --> 02:13:21,399tend to believe that something happened

310002:13:18,609 --> 02:13:23,408at that base what it was was it a deal

310102:13:21,399 --> 02:13:25,179was it just a visit was it

310202:13:23,408 --> 02:13:29,888exchange of information was a trade off

310302:13:25,179 --> 02:13:33,340for you no technology and and the right

310402:13:29,889 --> 02:13:34,809to to abduct our people I don't know you

310502:13:33,340 --> 02:13:38,168know that that that could be sort of

310602:13:34,809 --> 02:13:39,639like a an added feature in terms of the

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02:13:38,168 --> 02:13:42,458disinformation as to what might have

310802:13:39,639 --> 02:13:45,489happened there so I really don't know

310902:13:42,458 --> 02:13:48,458that for a fact but my sense is that

311002:13:45,488 --> 02:13:51,279that visit that that whole situation did

311102:13:48,458 --> 02:13:54,998happen what happened there is open a

311202:13:51,279 --> 02:13:57,130speculation and it's just sort of

311302:13:54,998 --> 02:13:59,288another piece of the puzzle David that

311402:13:57,130 --> 02:14:02,050may or may not be you know partially

311502:13:59,288 --> 02:14:03,248true all true or not true at all I don't

311602:14:02,050 --> 02:14:05,650think it's not true at all I think

311702:14:03,248 --> 02:14:07,719something did happen and Eisenhower was

311802:14:05,649 --> 02:14:09,248a prize of the situation in terms of

311902:14:07,719 --> 02:14:12,668meeting with these with these races and

312002:14:09,248 --> 02:14:15,130it may have extended the cooperation in

312102:14:12,668 --> 02:14:17,050


a certain way I just don't know there's

312202:14:15,130 --> 02:14:20,918there's no definitive way that I can

312302:14:17,050 --> 02:14:24,668answer that question but I I I know for

312402:14:20,918 --> 02:14:29,109a fact that a Catholic Cardinal it was

312502:14:24,668 --> 02:14:33,609involved in it and the Vatican as a as a

312602:14:29,109 --> 02:14:35,198result knows about the issue not because

312702:14:33,609 --> 02:14:37,238of just that one visit I think the

312802:14:35,198 --> 02:14:39,129Vatican which is a we you know we need

312902:14:37,238 --> 02:14:40,899to talk about again another time that

313002:14:39,130 --> 02:14:44,139that's a three-hour show all in itself

313102:14:40,899 --> 02:14:44,859David the Vatican is is well apprised of

313202:14:44,139 --> 02:14:48,400this situation

313302:14:44,859 --> 02:14:50,139well the prizes it well any any time you

313402:14:48,399 --> 02:14:53,589want to come on and have that discussion

313502:14:50,139 --> 02:14:55,900we can book that very very easily yeah


313602:14:53,590 --> 02:14:57,668it's it's mind blowing with what they

313702:14:55,899 --> 02:15:01,018what the Vatican knows about this and

313802:14:57,668 --> 02:15:04,269there's stuff going on right now with

313902:15:01,019 --> 02:15:09,360with the Vatican in terms of attempting

314002:15:04,269 --> 02:15:09,360to how can I say it

314102:15:10,019 --> 02:15:17,019couch the way so the faithful can

314202:15:13,929 --> 02:15:19,389understand what's going on and we really

314302:15:17,019 --> 02:15:22,119know that the SIV the servicio

314402:15:19,389 --> 02:15:27,489intelligentsia devout the Cano which is

314502:15:22,118 --> 02:15:28,179the which is the Vatican's counterpart

314602:15:27,488 --> 02:15:31,359of the CIA

314702:15:28,179 --> 02:15:34,149this servicio intelligentsia to vaticano

314802:15:31,359 --> 02:15:35,589has been around much much much longer

314902:15:34,149 --> 02:15:37,750than the CIA and


315002:15:35,590 --> 02:15:41,170that agency within the Vatican makes the

315102:15:37,750 --> 02:15:43,899CIA look like a bunch of Boy Scouts so

315202:15:41,170 --> 02:15:46,480we know for a fact that the Vatican is

315302:15:43,899 --> 02:15:49,960well this issue

315402:15:46,479 --> 02:15:51,968Pope's know about it the inner circle

315502:15:49,960 --> 02:15:55,779within the Vatican are fully aware

315602:15:51,969 --> 02:15:58,270what's going on father Gabriel Funes the

315702:15:55,779 --> 02:16:02,079the direct the former director of the

315802:15:58,270 --> 02:16:03,880the the Vatican Observatory knows what's

315902:16:02,079 --> 02:16:06,908going on he's made pronouncements about

316002:16:03,880 --> 02:16:09,250it he and his his assistant who is now

316102:16:06,908 --> 02:16:11,948the director brother guy constantly

316202:16:09,250 --> 02:16:13,779these are both Jesuits okay one is a

316302:16:11,948 --> 02:16:15,339priest and one is a brother they know

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02:16:13,779 --> 02:16:17,529what's going on and they both made

316502:16:15,340 --> 02:16:21,460pronouncements about it now these people

316602:16:17,529 --> 02:16:24,819do not be things that do not have the

316702:16:21,460 --> 02:16:27,099consent of the of the papacy so Gabriel

316802:16:24,819 --> 02:16:29,019Funes has made specific pronouncements

316902:16:27,099 --> 02:16:32,769about if extraterrestrials exist they

317002:16:29,020 --> 02:16:34,989are part of God's plan and it's not a

317102:16:32,769 --> 02:16:36,969matter of focusing on the word if but

317202:16:34,989 --> 02:16:38,799the fact of the matter is that they know

317302:16:36,968 --> 02:16:41,228that there are extraterrestrial entities

317402:16:38,799 --> 02:16:44,170out there and that they are part of this

317502:16:41,228 --> 02:16:48,069sort of galactic universe and part of

317602:16:44,170 --> 02:16:49,689the the just part of creation and that's

317702:16:48,069 --> 02:16:51,459the way the Vatican is coaching their

317802:16:49,689 --> 02:16:53,519


their their knowledge about this so it's

317902:16:51,459 --> 02:16:56,049all part of God's plan to have these

318002:16:53,519 --> 02:16:57,939extraterrestrials in existence so it's

318102:16:56,049 --> 02:16:59,978it's a convoluted kind of thing that we

318202:16:57,939 --> 02:17:02,409you know we can talk about it at another

318302:16:59,978 --> 02:17:04,869level but to the matter is the Vatican

318402:17:02,409 --> 02:17:07,299know it's very very aware of what's

318502:17:04,870 --> 02:17:10,780going on it has been for for many many

318602:17:07,299 --> 02:17:13,808years I want to get to a couple quick

318702:17:10,780 --> 02:17:16,570questions before we get into learning

318802:17:13,808 --> 02:17:20,259about these documents about involving

318902:17:16,569 --> 02:17:21,728NORAD Joe has a question for you he says

319002:17:20,260 --> 02:17:24,219Victor do you believe that there are

319102:17:21,728 --> 02:17:28,358alien bases known and sanctioned by the

319202:17:24,218 --> 02:17:30,789US government I've done some reading


319302:17:28,359 --> 02:17:35,530done some research on that and there

319402:17:30,790 --> 02:17:40,559seems to be some sort of you know once

319502:17:35,530 --> 02:17:40,559again there it's just information or not

319602:17:41,250 --> 02:17:46,349what I would I've read about it there

319702:17:43,718 --> 02:17:49,039that there may be something going on in

319802:17:46,349 --> 02:17:53,120Antarctica or it was going on

319902:17:49,040 --> 02:17:55,939in Antarctica as part of a alien basis

320002:17:53,120 --> 02:17:59,689and it wouldn't surprise me at all if

320102:17:55,939 --> 02:18:02,870there are if there are not a pieces

320202:17:59,689 --> 02:18:06,829there and also some sort of alien bases

320302:18:02,870 --> 02:18:09,290on underwater there's there's a lot of

320402:18:06,829 --> 02:18:11,510information that indicates that when

320502:18:09,290 --> 02:18:12,889these extraterrestrials come here they

320602:18:11,510 --> 02:18:16,370just don't come here to buzz around in


320702:18:12,888 --> 02:18:21,768the sky they may have contact points at

320802:18:16,370 --> 02:18:24,410which they they enter our atmosphere and

320902:18:21,769 --> 02:18:26,210go go into these these bases wherever

321002:18:24,409 --> 02:18:29,989they might be and it wouldn't surprise

321102:18:26,209 --> 02:18:32,750me one bit if if if these

321202:18:29,989 --> 02:18:35,359extraterrestrials have been around long

321302:18:32,750 --> 02:18:37,489as as we think they have and I'm not

321402:18:35,359 --> 02:18:40,250talking about the last 40 or 50 60 years

321502:18:37,489 --> 02:18:41,989I'm talking about for millennium I mean

321602:18:40,250 --> 02:18:44,568these these crafts have been coming and

321702:18:41,989 --> 02:18:49,510going for a long long time and as I said

321802:18:44,568 --> 02:18:52,250earlier they may be part of our of our

321902:18:49,510 --> 02:18:56,989development as a species going way way

322002:18:52,250 --> 02:18:59,299back into into at at times in an in in

3221


02:18:56,989 --> 02:19:03,109ancient times and being part of our

322202:18:59,299 --> 02:19:05,000development and and how man evolved you

322302:19:03,109 --> 02:19:08,000know that the humanity evolved the way

322402:19:05,000 --> 02:19:11,750it had with the intervention at some

322502:19:08,000 --> 02:19:13,189point in in our DNA so you know it

322602:19:11,750 --> 02:19:15,829wouldn't surprise me at all that if

322702:19:13,189 --> 02:19:17,840there were in fact some sort of stop off

322802:19:15,829 --> 02:19:20,420points or places where these these

322902:19:17,840 --> 02:19:24,648crafts go to because we've seen crafts

323002:19:20,420 --> 02:19:26,329come and go out of the water and so that

323102:19:24,648 --> 02:19:28,340would not surprise me one little bit and

323202:19:26,329 --> 02:19:30,769it's part of this whole after disclosure

323302:19:28,340 --> 02:19:32,929kind of situation where once disclosure

323402:19:30,769 --> 02:19:36,679does occur these these all of these sort

323502:19:32,929 --> 02:19:39,200


of very gray areas or these areas of

323602:19:36,679 --> 02:19:41,779speculation will come full circle to

323702:19:39,200 --> 02:19:43,429become either authentic or just part of

323802:19:41,779 --> 02:19:45,800the disinformation process it'll be like

323902:19:43,429 --> 02:19:47,000a sifting process that the truth will

324002:19:45,799 --> 02:19:50,329come out and when the truth comes out

324102:19:47,000 --> 02:19:53,239we'll be able to sift through as you

324202:19:50,329 --> 02:19:54,818know as Ernest Hemingway said we'll

324302:19:53,239 --> 02:19:58,728we'll be able to sift through the crap

324402:19:54,818 --> 02:20:01,189because we will be given the opportunity

324502:19:58,728 --> 02:20:02,358to use what what he called what Ernest

324602:20:01,189 --> 02:20:04,939Hemingway called our crap

324702:20:02,359 --> 02:20:06,709detectors so that every good researcher

324802:20:04,939 --> 02:20:08,720writer needs to have a good crap

324902:20:06,709 --> 02:20:11,119detector to to tell the crap from the


325002:20:08,719 --> 02:20:14,028good stuff and eventually when

325102:20:11,119 --> 02:20:16,850disclosure does come about we will all

325202:20:14,029 --> 02:20:19,720have the capacity to tell the difference

325302:20:16,850 --> 02:20:22,248between the crap and the real stuff so

325402:20:19,719 --> 02:20:24,769you know if we engage in the talk about

325502:20:22,248 --> 02:20:26,359all of these things too often I think we

325602:20:24,770 --> 02:20:28,248it sort of takes our eye off the ball

325702:20:26,359 --> 02:20:30,800with what the real issues really really

325802:20:28,248 --> 02:20:33,318are and the real issue as I said earlier

325902:20:30,799 --> 02:20:36,408is that that whatever the situation is

326002:20:33,318 --> 02:20:38,118however it turns out in terms of reality

326102:20:36,408 --> 02:20:41,658authenticity whatever whatever you want

326202:20:38,119 --> 02:20:44,209to call it that we are on the next step

326302:20:41,658 --> 02:20:47,118as a species in our evolution as a


326402:20:44,209 --> 02:20:48,859species and that's that's what this it's

326502:20:47,119 --> 02:20:50,060not about politics really thought about

326602:20:48,859 --> 02:20:52,010doing whether the government knows it

326702:20:50,059 --> 02:20:54,228doesn't know all of that when it comes

326802:20:52,010 --> 02:20:56,328right down to it when we have contact

326902:20:54,228 --> 02:20:58,429and when these beings do manifest

327002:20:56,328 --> 02:21:00,318themselves they'll have a different

327102:20:58,430 --> 02:21:02,748story to tell us and so why they're here

327202:21:00,318 --> 02:21:04,609and what's really going on and that's

327302:21:02,748 --> 02:21:06,918something intriguing for me it's what

327402:21:04,609 --> 02:21:08,090it's that's what I wait for that's you

327502:21:06,918 --> 02:21:10,850know beyond the whole government

327602:21:08,090 --> 02:21:13,728disclosure thing I wait for the time

327702:21:10,850 --> 02:21:15,408when we can engage these beings in a

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02:21:13,728 --> 02:21:17,719meaningful conversation as to who they

327902:21:15,408 --> 02:21:20,238are and what they mean to ask them what

328002:21:17,719 --> 02:21:22,158they mean to our our spirituality and

328102:21:20,238 --> 02:21:24,708who we are as a as a species and where

328202:21:22,158 --> 02:21:26,868we're going and where we can go as a

328302:21:24,709 --> 02:21:29,959species you know we're not bound to this

328402:21:26,869 --> 02:21:34,729earth we can become it is possible for

328502:21:29,959 --> 02:21:38,029us a spacefaring civilization and we can

328602:21:34,728 --> 02:21:40,099become a civilization that will be able

328702:21:38,029 --> 02:21:43,310to overcome what I call our extinction

328802:21:40,100 --> 02:21:44,869behaviors and I think you know if you

328902:21:43,309 --> 02:21:47,448get an idea what of what I mean by

329002:21:44,869 --> 02:21:48,619addiction behaviors and all you have to

329102:21:47,449 --> 02:21:50,180do is look over your left or right

329202:21:48,619 --> 02:21:53,328


shoulder to find out that we're dumping

329302:21:50,180 --> 02:21:55,488plastic into the ocean be a capacity to

329402:21:53,328 --> 02:21:56,958deal with it we're pumping fossil fuels

329502:21:55,488 --> 02:22:00,668into our into our breathing atmosphere

329602:21:56,959 --> 02:22:04,850beyond our capacity to deal with the

329702:22:00,668 --> 02:22:06,918litany we'll go on in terms of these

329802:22:04,850 --> 02:22:10,010extinction behaviors and we have to find

329902:22:06,918 --> 02:22:12,109a way as a species to deal with these

330002:22:10,010 --> 02:22:14,559extinction behaviors and I think the

330102:22:12,109 --> 02:22:14,559extra-terrestrial

330202:22:15,831 --> 02:22:21,030concept of the contact will allow us to

330302:22:19,140 --> 02:22:23,370a recognize what those extinction

330402:22:21,030 --> 02:22:25,440behaviors are and deal with them in a

330502:22:23,370 --> 02:22:28,560rational way that means something so we

330602:22:25,440 --> 02:22:30,931have to stop things like child abuse we


330702:22:28,560 --> 02:22:32,729have to stop things like you know

330802:22:30,931 --> 02:22:34,950polluting our atmosphere we have to stop

330902:22:32,729 --> 02:22:36,689things like the lies and obfuscation

331002:22:34,950 --> 02:22:39,001that our that our government is involved

331102:22:36,690 --> 02:22:41,041in these are all extinction behaviors

331202:22:39,001 --> 02:22:44,671that we have to eliminate and the reason

331302:22:41,040 --> 02:22:47,130why I feel in my opinion why whoever

331402:22:44,671 --> 02:22:50,729these civilizations are why they've

331502:22:47,130 --> 02:22:52,770achieved the the the capacity to move at

331602:22:50,729 --> 02:22:54,479or beyond life speed or move

331702:22:52,771 --> 02:22:56,820inter-dimensionally these are

331802:22:54,479 --> 02:22:57,930enlightened beings of some kind we don't

331902:22:56,819 --> 02:23:00,569know exactly what they are

332002:22:57,931 --> 02:23:03,001the contactees might what what they are


332102:23:00,569 --> 02:23:05,011but we don't the people that haven't had

332202:23:03,001 --> 02:23:08,989these experiences are still grappling

332302:23:05,011 --> 02:23:11,190with these issues so they have somehow

332402:23:08,989 --> 02:23:13,021found a way to eliminate these

332502:23:11,190 --> 02:23:15,659extinction behaviors because they they

332602:23:13,021 --> 02:23:17,881exist as a species and they've got to a

332702:23:15,659 --> 02:23:21,300level of technology and spirituality and

332802:23:17,880 --> 02:23:24,331a recognition of everything is all

332902:23:21,300 --> 02:23:27,591connected this whole sort of this law of

333002:23:24,331 --> 02:23:31,050oneness we're still not really

333102:23:27,591 --> 02:23:34,171completely capable of understanding that

333202:23:31,050 --> 02:23:36,270all life every single matter in this

333302:23:34,171 --> 02:23:38,671universe is connected in one way or

333402:23:36,271 --> 02:23:42,030another and that is not something that

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02:23:38,671 --> 02:23:45,390our species is able at this point to

333602:23:42,030 --> 02:23:48,511recognize so I mean way way beyond

333702:23:45,390 --> 02:23:50,699politics this moves us into an era or to

333802:23:48,511 --> 02:23:53,431an echelon of understanding of who we

333902:23:50,700 --> 02:23:55,621are as a species not as corporeal beings

334002:23:53,431 --> 02:23:57,690but as spiritual beings and how we can

334102:23:55,620 --> 02:24:00,479take our place in that whole galactic

334202:23:57,690 --> 02:24:04,319community to understand what we are as a

334302:24:00,479 --> 02:24:05,761species and that that's that's that's

334402:24:04,319 --> 02:24:07,319where we're headed that's this was

334502:24:05,761 --> 02:24:08,551that's what disclosure really really

334602:24:07,319 --> 02:24:12,210means it doesn't mean governments

334702:24:08,550 --> 02:24:14,671revealing files it remains it means that

334802:24:12,210 --> 02:24:16,770we are attempting to understand who we

334902:24:14,671 --> 02:24:19,229


are as creatures and this huge huge

335002:24:16,771 --> 02:24:21,511cosmos where we take our place in how we

335102:24:19,229 --> 02:24:23,460take our place and what our next step is

335202:24:21,511 --> 02:24:25,140in terms of becoming you know

335302:24:23,460 --> 02:24:26,640noncorporeal beings after these

335402:24:25,140 --> 02:24:27,760containers that we have called bodies

335502:24:26,640 --> 02:24:30,489are finished you know

335602:24:27,760 --> 02:24:32,800happens then and all these answers are

335702:24:30,489 --> 02:24:34,659going to be made known at some point in

335802:24:32,799 --> 02:24:36,459time and that's what the that's what

335902:24:34,659 --> 02:24:38,350excites me more than anything is that

336002:24:36,459 --> 02:24:40,989we'll realize who we are as a species

336102:24:38,350 --> 02:24:45,340and where we fit into this idea of what

336202:24:40,989 --> 02:24:47,079a cosmos really is one more question and

336302:24:45,340 --> 02:24:48,779then we're going to get to the documents


336402:24:47,079 --> 02:24:52,209and hearings and everything like that

336502:24:48,779 --> 02:24:54,819does it seem like UFOs are becoming more

336602:24:52,209 --> 02:24:56,289bold and not hiding as much or do you

336702:24:54,818 --> 02:24:59,559think people are just staring at the

336802:24:56,290 --> 02:25:01,330stars whereas their interest comes to

336902:24:59,559 --> 02:25:04,510fruition this comes from Galen in the

337002:25:01,329 --> 02:25:06,279Esso our space travelers room I think

337102:25:04,510 --> 02:25:08,139that just because people are becoming

337202:25:06,279 --> 02:25:11,319more and more aware of what's going on

337302:25:08,139 --> 02:25:13,090you know the video cameras and you know

337402:25:11,318 --> 02:25:15,309everybody's got a cell phone these days

337502:25:13,090 --> 02:25:17,829videos there there's like you know

337602:25:15,309 --> 02:25:19,659roving scientists you see these people

337702:25:17,829 --> 02:25:22,180are roving reporters they mean they can


337802:25:19,659 --> 02:25:25,270Kapler capture a UFO sighting at the

337902:25:22,180 --> 02:25:27,880drop of a hat so I think a first of all

338002:25:25,270 --> 02:25:30,340there's a lot more people out there who

338102:25:27,879 --> 02:25:31,959are you know they're looking into the

338202:25:30,340 --> 02:25:34,210skies and if they see something they're

338302:25:31,959 --> 02:25:36,579taking pictures of it so I think in one

338402:25:34,209 --> 02:25:39,429way it's becoming more prevalent because

338502:25:36,579 --> 02:25:41,709more people are attuned to what's going

338602:25:39,430 --> 02:25:43,600on I don't necessarily think that the

338702:25:41,709 --> 02:25:45,009the UFOs are you know whatever these

338802:25:43,600 --> 02:25:47,800crowded there being any more bold and

338902:25:45,010 --> 02:25:50,350they have been in the past I don't think

339002:25:47,799 --> 02:25:52,840that that's part of their whole agenda I

339102:25:50,350 --> 02:25:55,450don't think but the fact of the matter

3392


02:25:52,840 --> 02:25:59,109is more and more people are seeing these

339302:25:55,450 --> 02:26:02,229more and more often and wondering about

339402:25:59,109 --> 02:26:05,380them so I mean these things have been

339502:26:02,228 --> 02:26:06,760part of our history for decades if not

339602:26:05,379 --> 02:26:08,978like I said earlier it's like if not

339702:26:06,760 --> 02:26:12,670thousands of years and I think the more

339802:26:08,978 --> 02:26:14,739and more people as I realize it anyways

339902:26:12,670 --> 02:26:16,870are becoming more attuned to this whole

340002:26:14,739 --> 02:26:18,369thing it's a it's an attenuation kind of

340102:26:16,870 --> 02:26:20,470thing you you you you are paying

340202:26:18,370 --> 02:26:22,149attention we as a species are paying

340302:26:20,469 --> 02:26:24,519more attention to what's going on and

340402:26:22,148 --> 02:26:27,670more and more people are grabbing on to

340502:26:24,520 --> 02:26:29,800that attenuation and when you get that

340602:26:27,670 --> 02:26:35,020


kind of collective understanding of

340702:26:29,799 --> 02:26:37,209what's going on the idea the the gross

340802:26:35,020 --> 02:26:39,370mechanisms of seeing as a sighting

340902:26:37,209 --> 02:26:41,319you're seeing a UFO or having a sighting

341002:26:39,370 --> 02:26:43,240of some kind that's one thing okay

341102:26:41,319 --> 02:26:45,909but then what does it mean what is the

341202:26:43,239 --> 02:26:47,649meaning behind that well there's you

341302:26:45,909 --> 02:26:48,819know it means we're not alone to begin

341402:26:47,649 --> 02:26:51,039with and then there's all the other

341502:26:48,819 --> 02:26:52,149questions that I they released a few

341602:26:51,040 --> 02:26:54,370minutes ago as to who we are as a

341702:26:52,149 --> 02:26:56,229species so it's not it's the siting and

341802:26:54,370 --> 02:26:59,410and the boulders of these of these craft

341902:26:56,229 --> 02:27:00,909it's what it means to us in terms of

342002:26:59,409 --> 02:27:04,420linguistics that how we'll use the


342102:27:00,909 --> 02:27:06,521language it describe these things how we

342202:27:04,420 --> 02:27:10,351conceptualize it within art within our

342302:27:06,521 --> 02:27:13,480level of consciousness how we determine

342402:27:10,351 --> 02:27:15,221you know what what's the purpose behind

342502:27:13,479 --> 02:27:17,979of all of this where are we going with

342602:27:15,220 --> 02:27:20,800it so a simple citing can raise all of

342702:27:17,979 --> 02:27:22,239these issues in one fell swoop so I

342802:27:20,800 --> 02:27:24,459think that's the important thing to get

342902:27:22,239 --> 02:27:26,440the focus on not whether these things

343002:27:24,459 --> 02:27:28,419are becoming more bold or or how many

343102:27:26,440 --> 02:27:30,819more there are is what's the meaning

343202:27:28,420 --> 02:27:33,370behind it and what is it telling us as a

343302:27:30,819 --> 02:27:35,560species it's leading us to it to an

343402:27:33,370 --> 02:27:37,271understanding of something and I think


343502:27:35,560 --> 02:27:39,489that's what we have to focus on what is

343602:27:37,271 --> 02:27:41,409that understanding what does it mean to

343702:27:39,489 --> 02:27:43,060us as a species that these things are

343802:27:41,409 --> 02:27:45,700doing what they're doing whatever that

343902:27:43,060 --> 02:27:47,500is you know manifesting themselves you

344002:27:45,700 --> 02:27:50,471know that the the UFO report in Canada

344102:27:47,500 --> 02:27:54,159came out I guess in March or April where

344202:27:50,470 --> 02:27:56,560you know this year there's like 1267 UFO

344302:27:54,159 --> 02:27:59,860sightings well my response to that is so

344402:27:56,560 --> 02:28:03,039what that big deal okay big deal I mean

344502:27:59,860 --> 02:28:05,560so you know fine in nineteen was a 2011

344602:28:03,040 --> 02:28:08,620there was nineteen hundred UFO sightings

344702:28:05,560 --> 02:28:10,209my reaction to that is so what is what

344802:28:08,620 --> 02:28:12,880does it mean you know what's the what's

3449


02:28:10,209 --> 02:28:15,369the overall meaning behind all that so

345002:28:12,879 --> 02:28:17,289we can't take our eye off the ball the

345102:28:15,370 --> 02:28:21,370ball is what is what does it mean to us

345202:28:17,290 --> 02:28:23,801as a species and yet the government and

345302:28:21,370 --> 02:28:27,311the media are yet to answer or at least

345402:28:23,800 --> 02:28:29,109address any of those questions so we

345502:28:27,310 --> 02:28:31,479have to move them through that but in

345602:28:29,110 --> 02:28:33,069the end Victor and we only got about two

345702:28:31,479 --> 02:28:34,539minutes before we got to go to our final

345802:28:33,069 --> 02:28:38,619break of the night mm-hmm

345902:28:34,540 --> 02:28:40,150this lack of knowledge that people like

346002:28:38,620 --> 02:28:42,400the Vatican people like government

346102:28:40,149 --> 02:28:44,560officials the president whoever are

346202:28:42,399 --> 02:28:48,459giving the public even though they may

346302:28:44,560 --> 02:28:51,279


be instituting soft disclosure in movies

346402:28:48,459 --> 02:28:54,630Hollywood video games right it still

346502:28:51,280 --> 02:28:57,471hasn't helped the common fear that

346602:28:54,630 --> 02:29:00,780people have in regards to an

346702:28:57,470 --> 02:29:05,370extraterrestrial presence mainly in the

346802:29:00,781 --> 02:29:09,541United States where it is seem to be

346902:29:05,370 --> 02:29:10,470common knowledge that ETS are bad there

347002:29:09,540 --> 02:29:15,420are no good ones

347102:29:10,470 --> 02:29:19,229yeah yeah that's well do I have enough

347202:29:15,421 --> 02:29:20,581time to answer that question yeah you

347302:29:19,229 --> 02:29:23,700know I you know you raise a good point

347402:29:20,581 --> 02:29:25,861and I think it's all part of the the

347502:29:23,700 --> 02:29:29,100level of obfuscation that was put in

347602:29:25,861 --> 02:29:31,561place right after the CIA was was

347702:29:29,101 --> 02:29:35,251inaugurated and in the I guess in this


347802:29:31,560 --> 02:29:37,411in the late 50s or early 60s and it was

347902:29:35,251 --> 02:29:39,380part of a process of them not

348002:29:37,411 --> 02:29:41,640understanding what was going on and

348102:29:39,380 --> 02:29:46,831recognizing that whoever these these

348202:29:41,640 --> 02:29:49,399these beings were they represented a

348302:29:46,831 --> 02:29:53,399threat to us some kind back then and

348402:29:49,399 --> 02:29:56,880that threat that whole a threat has been

348502:29:53,399 --> 02:29:58,470the the way the the CIA and all these

348602:29:56,880 --> 02:29:59,911other organizations not just it within

348702:29:58,470 --> 02:30:02,280the United States but are there other

348802:29:59,911 --> 02:30:06,540governments to that threat has always

348902:30:02,281 --> 02:30:08,900been the main thrust of how we identify

349002:30:06,540 --> 02:30:11,640with these extraterrestrials and that

349102:30:08,899 --> 02:30:14,431threat has created a situation where the


349202:30:11,640 --> 02:30:17,970general public identifies these as a

349302:30:14,431 --> 02:30:18,899threat and that aspect of this will

349402:30:17,970 --> 02:30:21,001never go away

349502:30:18,899 --> 02:30:24,841or it's going to be extremely difficult

349602:30:21,001 --> 02:30:29,671for us to shed that whole idea of a

349702:30:24,841 --> 02:30:32,041threat and it's a difficult process to

349802:30:29,671 --> 02:30:34,320to really understand because the

349902:30:32,040 --> 02:30:37,460government really is in a position of

350002:30:34,320 --> 02:30:40,440saying that because these these

350102:30:37,460 --> 02:30:42,840extraterrestrials are so quote-unquote

350202:30:40,440 --> 02:30:45,331powerful or or or whatever they are that

350302:30:42,841 --> 02:30:47,281that the government really doesn't have

350402:30:45,331 --> 02:30:49,501any control over the airspace

350502:30:47,281 --> 02:30:51,931like the United States Air Force does

3506


02:30:49,501 --> 02:30:53,970not have any control then the American

350702:30:51,931 --> 02:30:55,440public likes to think they do but they

350802:30:53,970 --> 02:30:57,390don't have any control over the airspace

350902:30:55,440 --> 02:31:00,001t these UFOs come and go with impunity

351002:30:57,390 --> 02:31:00,841they shut down our nuclear missiles for

351102:31:00,001 --> 02:31:02,880crying out loud

351202:31:00,841 --> 02:31:04,800you know so it's one thing for the

351302:31:02,880 --> 02:31:07,620government to deal with this issue in on

351402:31:04,800 --> 02:31:08,549its own terms but it's another issue for

351502:31:07,620 --> 02:31:11,670it to end

351602:31:08,549 --> 02:31:12,750that they don't have any control so what

351702:31:11,670 --> 02:31:15,148option do they have

351802:31:12,750 --> 02:31:17,398well let's make these things be a threat

351902:31:15,148 --> 02:31:20,068be perceived as a threat in the general

352002:31:17,398 --> 02:31:23,068


public we will get agencies like Disney

352102:31:20,068 --> 02:31:26,909like Walt Disney and other agencies to

352202:31:23,068 --> 02:31:30,510make sure that the the movies that are

352302:31:26,909 --> 02:31:33,478put out our dealing with aliens as a

352402:31:30,510 --> 02:31:35,670threat that's the that's the name of the

352502:31:33,478 --> 02:31:37,648game so the general public is on the

352602:31:35,670 --> 02:31:39,960side of the government saying because we

352702:31:37,648 --> 02:31:41,898don't have any power in this issue we

352802:31:39,959 --> 02:31:44,579want to portray these being as a threat

352902:31:41,898 --> 02:31:46,680so I think it's all part and parcel of a

353002:31:44,579 --> 02:31:48,270plan to make sure that the general

353102:31:46,680 --> 02:31:50,460public understands these things that's

353202:31:48,270 --> 02:31:53,550right and I don't know how long or how

353302:31:50,459 --> 02:31:57,959it will take place that this whole idea

353402:31:53,549 --> 02:31:59,759this whole image of a threat is going to


353502:31:57,959 --> 02:32:02,549take for us to eliminate that from this

353602:31:59,760 --> 02:32:04,770issue and understand that we are being

353702:32:02,549 --> 02:32:08,009engaged by offworld civilizations and

353802:32:04,770 --> 02:32:11,939the I'm you know if they were if they

353902:32:08,010 --> 02:32:15,840were to mean us harm David and they

354002:32:11,939 --> 02:32:18,750would have done long ago I mean I mean

354102:32:15,840 --> 02:32:21,540it's it's so simple if these are beings

354202:32:18,750 --> 02:32:23,609that are bent on total annihilation of

354302:32:21,540 --> 02:32:26,729the human species they would have done

354402:32:23,609 --> 02:32:28,200it long ago long ago now maybe they're

354502:32:26,728 --> 02:32:30,209intervening in different weapons maybe

354602:32:28,200 --> 02:32:32,100they're affecting our DNA maybe they're

354702:32:30,209 --> 02:32:34,129infiltrating we don't have any answers

354802:32:32,100 --> 02:32:37,130to that but in terms of overall


354902:32:34,129 --> 02:32:40,769domination of the of the of the

355002:32:37,129 --> 02:32:42,059extremely hostile entities or

355102:32:40,770 --> 02:32:44,189extraterrestrials that some people

355202:32:42,059 --> 02:32:46,500believe they are if they were that

355302:32:44,189 --> 02:32:49,680powerful if they were that dominating if

355402:32:46,500 --> 02:32:51,359they were that bent on intervening and

355502:32:49,680 --> 02:32:53,130annihilating after taking us over or

355602:32:51,359 --> 02:32:55,109putting us in slavery they would have

355702:32:53,129 --> 02:32:56,459done it a long ago so why they why are

355802:32:55,109 --> 02:32:58,439they doing what they're doing why they

355902:32:56,459 --> 02:33:00,089just sort of coming and going and sort

356002:32:58,439 --> 02:33:02,850of hinting here and hinting there

356102:33:00,090 --> 02:33:06,780there's so much that's a question so my

356202:33:02,850 --> 02:33:09,420sense is that we are on the brink of an

3563


02:33:06,780 --> 02:33:12,030awakening and not a threat that that's

356402:33:09,420 --> 02:33:14,370just my that's my perspective on it I'm

356502:33:12,030 --> 02:33:17,819gonna end until the commercial here with

356602:33:14,370 --> 02:33:20,040this comment by Joe Elgar in the SOR

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369902:38:50,030 --> 02:38:55,579and communications blog spot.com if you

370002:38:52,790 --> 02:38:58,160want to check out his work Victor thank

370102:38:55,579 --> 02:39:00,139you so much for doing the full show it's

370202:38:58,159 --> 02:39:02,119wonderful to be with you and I do want

370302:39:00,139 --> 02:39:04,069to let our audience know that we're

370402:39:02,120 --> 02:39:06,500gonna talk about UFOs and the Vatican

370502:39:04,069 --> 02:39:08,989with you sometime in August we're gonna


370602:39:06,500 --> 02:39:10,940try and book that date here after this

370702:39:08,989 --> 02:39:12,709show is done and I know there's a few

370802:39:10,940 --> 02:39:13,850people already asking about that that's

370902:39:12,709 --> 02:39:16,369why I brought it up to you during the

371002:39:13,850 --> 02:39:20,239break mm-hmm but before we get any

371102:39:16,370 --> 02:39:22,910further you are investigating some very

371202:39:20,239 --> 02:39:25,699special documents that has NORAD

371302:39:22,909 --> 02:39:27,860involved the Northern Organization for

371402:39:25,700 --> 02:39:30,350radar air defense right basically

371502:39:27,860 --> 02:39:34,640protects North America what's going on

371602:39:30,350 --> 02:39:37,340with these documents okay where do I

371702:39:34,639 --> 02:39:41,569start it goes back to my first

371802:39:37,340 --> 02:39:44,510investigation of with the access of it

371902:39:41,569 --> 02:39:46,340to information process here in Canada


372002:39:44,510 --> 02:39:48,530you can it's like the foliage Freedom of

372102:39:46,340 --> 02:39:50,450Information Act in in the United States

372202:39:48,530 --> 02:39:53,300the same sort of thing you apply for

372302:39:50,450 --> 02:39:56,960information about certain things back

372402:39:53,299 --> 02:40:02,149and within nine I applied and I asked

372502:39:56,959 --> 02:40:07,369the the Freedom of Information people to

372602:40:02,149 --> 02:40:11,539give me documents relating to jets that

372702:40:07,370 --> 02:40:13,340are scrambled to chase so-called unknown

372802:40:11,540 --> 02:40:14,990objects or whatever so they sent me a

372902:40:13,340 --> 02:40:18,739whole package they send me over 100

373002:40:14,989 --> 02:40:20,000pages of you know the UFO files and so

373102:40:18,739 --> 02:40:21,319there's a lot of really good stuff in

373202:40:20,000 --> 02:40:24,049there there's some fantastic stuff

373302:40:21,319 --> 02:40:26,690actually but one specific thing hit me

3734


02:40:24,049 --> 02:40:31,159square in the face and it was a flight

373502:40:26,690 --> 02:40:36,800log an air traffic control flight log

373602:40:31,159 --> 02:40:39,739that described how to see f-18s and to

373702:40:36,799 --> 02:40:41,559see f-18s out of comics airforce but

373802:40:39,739 --> 02:40:46,049he's in British Columbia where scram

373902:40:41,559 --> 02:40:48,760- chase excuse me three UFOs that were

374002:40:46,049 --> 02:40:50,379caught on radar and they knew there were

374102:40:48,760 --> 02:40:52,420UFOs because they were traveling very

374202:40:50,379 --> 02:40:54,759very quickly or that no they don't use

374302:40:52,420 --> 02:40:59,200the term UFOs they use the word unknowns

374402:40:54,760 --> 02:41:01,270or toi tracks of interest so these

374502:40:59,200 --> 02:41:03,460gestures scramble to chase us these

374602:41:01,270 --> 02:41:06,970these three things they go up and these

374702:41:03,459 --> 02:41:10,089things there are at 35,000 feet like way

374802:41:06,969 --> 02:41:13,148


way above you know you know common

374902:41:10,090 --> 02:41:16,148flight flight areas for for dairy craft

375002:41:13,148 --> 02:41:18,459so these Jets go and take off and and

375102:41:16,148 --> 02:41:20,818these the air-traffic control you have

375202:41:18,459 --> 02:41:24,728to see the document it's a line by line

375302:41:20,818 --> 02:41:26,739literally minute by minute chronology of

375402:41:24,728 --> 02:41:29,409what these Jets are doing and these

375502:41:26,739 --> 02:41:33,279seven seven or eight pages are literally

375602:41:29,409 --> 02:41:36,520filled with at at zero zero one one one

375702:41:33,279 --> 02:41:39,250two nine six digested this is zero zero

375802:41:36,520 --> 02:41:41,560two seven the just did that these lines

375902:41:39,250 --> 02:41:44,079are just the pages are filled with it

376002:41:41,559 --> 02:41:48,250and it describes where these Jets are

376102:41:44,079 --> 02:41:50,318going what their their the direction is

376202:41:48,250 --> 02:41:53,739and what they're attempting to look for


376302:41:50,318 --> 02:41:55,600and then it injects another line a

376402:41:53,739 --> 02:41:58,389series of lines were a medical

376502:41:55,600 --> 02:42:02,170evacuation ticket out of Anchorage

376602:41:58,389 --> 02:42:04,659Alaska is also part of the scenario they

376702:42:02,170 --> 02:42:09,609this medical evacuation jet sees these

376802:42:04,659 --> 02:42:12,609three unknowns and tells the the Jets we

376902:42:09,609 --> 02:42:16,450can see them to have dropped off one is

377002:42:12,609 --> 02:42:19,180continuing on and we can't catch them

377102:42:16,450 --> 02:42:21,550and so the Jets pursue these at least

377202:42:19,180 --> 02:42:24,898three unknowns in the direction of the

377302:42:21,549 --> 02:42:27,579width of the radar telling them and they

377402:42:24,898 --> 02:42:30,340eventually catch up to one of these

377502:42:27,579 --> 02:42:33,969things and the actual state in the

377602:42:30,340 --> 02:42:38,559document says contact made at 35,000


377702:42:33,969 --> 02:42:40,199feet now you know I read through this

377802:42:38,559 --> 02:42:43,359thing I've read through the document a

377902:42:40,200 --> 02:42:45,520hundred times David and there's been

378002:42:43,359 --> 02:42:50,409there's no gun camera information on

378102:42:45,520 --> 02:42:53,290this there's no necessarily a commentary

378202:42:50,409 --> 02:42:56,139about this it's very very

378302:42:53,290 --> 02:42:59,500with what clinically stated so these

378402:42:56,139 --> 02:43:01,629things are moving at 35,000 feet then

378502:42:59,500 --> 02:43:03,719they outpaced and these these just

378602:43:01,629 --> 02:43:06,909couldn't shake could couldn't catch them

378702:43:03,719 --> 02:43:09,309okay so when they say contact made maybe

378802:43:06,909 --> 02:43:11,920it was a visual contact we don't know

378902:43:09,309 --> 02:43:14,199there's a plus there's parts of it that

379002:43:11,920 --> 02:43:16,389are that are whited out our government

3791


02:43:14,200 --> 02:43:18,820doesn't these documents they wipe them

379202:43:16,389 --> 02:43:20,619out so there's a gaps two or three

379302:43:18,819 --> 02:43:22,149minute gaps as to as to what's really

379402:43:20,620 --> 02:43:24,640going on so we have to deal with the

379502:43:22,149 --> 02:43:26,350information plus the gaps so the fact

379602:43:24,639 --> 02:43:28,689that matter is you know I asked for

379702:43:26,350 --> 02:43:31,630situations where just for scramble and I

379802:43:28,690 --> 02:43:34,750got this document so we know that a

379902:43:31,629 --> 02:43:37,149NORAD scrambles jets to track unknowns

380002:43:34,750 --> 02:43:39,430and be that there was some sort of

380102:43:37,149 --> 02:43:41,350contact made with the let's this with

380202:43:39,430 --> 02:43:42,220these craft and that they could but they

380302:43:41,350 --> 02:43:44,649couldn't catch them

380402:43:42,219 --> 02:43:46,929and what that means I'm not quite sure

380502:43:44,649 --> 02:43:49,809


but the fact the matter is that the

380602:43:46,930 --> 02:43:54,970cf-18s made out of contact so what I did

380702:43:49,809 --> 02:43:56,439was after that I wrote to the the the

380802:43:54,969 --> 02:43:59,079Minister of Defense Peter MacKay at the

380902:43:56,440 --> 02:44:02,230time and I asked him 10 questions about

381002:43:59,079 --> 02:44:03,250this document and you know there's not

381102:44:02,229 --> 02:44:05,319want to go through all the 10 questions

381202:44:03,250 --> 02:44:06,790but I said you know are you aware of

381302:44:05,319 --> 02:44:08,949this stuff I do know about this and I

381402:44:06,790 --> 02:44:10,990want I want an answer now why are NORAD

381502:44:08,950 --> 02:44:13,420Jets you know being scramble the chase

381602:44:10,989 --> 02:44:17,350these are these unknown objects and so

381702:44:13,420 --> 02:44:19,780he wrote back to me in a letter saying

381802:44:17,350 --> 02:44:21,460that well in standardization seeing all

381902:44:19,780 --> 02:44:23,829these different terms around so on and


382002:44:21,459 --> 02:44:25,869so forth the bottom line is a he

382102:44:23,829 --> 02:44:27,700couldn't find the same bloody document

382202:44:25,870 --> 02:44:29,140that I that I found he said I'm not

382302:44:27,700 --> 02:44:31,300aware of the document that you're

382402:44:29,139 --> 02:44:33,549referring to and I have a docket it's

382502:44:31,299 --> 02:44:35,859got noir I'd written all over it he

382602:44:33,549 --> 02:44:39,119couldn't find it and then B he goes on

382702:44:35,860 --> 02:44:43,079to explain to what these things might be

382802:44:39,120 --> 02:44:46,000okay he said well you know it could be a

382902:44:43,079 --> 02:44:50,829small aircraft without a transponder or

383002:44:46,000 --> 02:44:53,440a flock of birds now I don't know I fly

383102:44:50,829 --> 02:44:57,579an airplane I fly Cessnas okay cesses

383202:44:53,440 --> 02:45:00,970cannot fly it 30,000 feet plus Cessnas

383302:44:57,579 --> 02:45:03,521cannot outpace cf-18s and I'm not sure


383402:45:00,969 --> 02:45:06,010that maybe you are you know you know a

383502:45:03,521 --> 02:45:07,239birds that could fly 35,000 feet and

383602:45:06,010 --> 02:45:11,399they can fly fast

383702:45:07,239 --> 02:45:13,360cf-18s so the man is full of crap okay

383802:45:11,399 --> 02:45:15,431this is part of the government

383902:45:13,360 --> 02:45:17,560obfuscation and the Minister of Defence

384002:45:15,431 --> 02:45:20,170Peter I will go on record saying this

384102:45:17,560 --> 02:45:23,829man lied to me okay

384202:45:20,170 --> 02:45:25,989he lied to me and he lied to us okay and

384302:45:23,829 --> 02:45:28,060I got I tempted to get clarification

384402:45:25,989 --> 02:45:30,220which he did not say but he wrote

384502:45:28,060 --> 02:45:32,199directly back to me with this with this

384602:45:30,220 --> 02:45:34,689Bilgewater of an explanation

384702:45:32,200 --> 02:45:37,170so I mean what does that mean he either

3848


02:45:34,690 --> 02:45:39,790doesn't know what's going on or he is

384902:45:37,170 --> 02:45:42,399fabricating information about this event

385002:45:39,790 --> 02:45:45,940this specific event contact was made

385102:45:42,399 --> 02:45:48,399with three unknown objects that outpaced

385202:45:45,940 --> 02:45:50,620cf-18 jet so that's the first document

385302:45:48,399 --> 02:45:52,270that I'll be bringing forward now

385402:45:50,620 --> 02:45:55,811subsequent to that I made another

385502:45:52,271 --> 02:45:57,280request and I got a request response to

385602:45:55,810 --> 02:45:59,739my crest from the North American

385702:45:57,280 --> 02:46:03,431Aerospace Defense Command from the NORAD

385802:45:59,739 --> 02:46:06,159operations in Vandenberg part I mean

385902:46:03,431 --> 02:46:09,640Peterson Air Force Base in Colorado from

386002:46:06,159 --> 02:46:11,170the head of NORAD and the subject of the

386102:46:09,640 --> 02:46:13,060whole matter is so on it's called

386202:46:11,170 --> 02:46:14,799


unknown tracks reported by the u.s.

386302:46:13,060 --> 02:46:16,629Freedom I'm reading right from the

386402:46:14,799 --> 02:46:18,189document right now and they go through

386502:46:16,629 --> 02:46:20,199an explanation I don't want to read the

386602:46:18,190 --> 02:46:22,810whole thing but they're basically

386702:46:20,200 --> 02:46:25,181they're saying is that these unknown

386802:46:22,810 --> 02:46:27,729tracks identify unless Freedom of

386902:46:25,181 --> 02:46:29,851Information requests reference number is

387002:46:27,729 --> 02:46:33,039a source Oh cannot be released as

387102:46:29,851 --> 02:46:34,780exemption 15 applies which a protects

387202:46:33,040 --> 02:46:37,360disclosure for national security

387302:46:34,780 --> 02:46:40,391information and anyone in possession of

387402:46:37,360 --> 02:46:44,290documents that refer to these situations

387502:46:40,390 --> 02:46:47,319can be considered espionage or guilty of

387602:46:44,290 --> 02:46:50,641espionage so the bottom line there is I


387702:46:47,319 --> 02:46:53,979am in possession of documents that say

387802:46:50,640 --> 02:46:56,470that our scrambled jets made contact

387902:46:53,979 --> 02:46:59,049with these with these craft so I have a

388002:46:56,470 --> 02:47:03,039document that said that so I am guilty

388102:46:59,049 --> 02:47:05,590of X of espionage according to this

388202:47:03,040 --> 02:47:07,510document the law prohibits the

388302:47:05,590 --> 02:47:09,729transmission or revelation of

388402:47:07,510 --> 02:47:13,630information contained in any records of

388502:47:09,729 --> 02:47:15,789unknown track reports in any manner to

388602:47:13,629 --> 02:47:18,069unauthorized persons I have a document

388702:47:15,790 --> 02:47:20,860that says that so I am guilty of

388802:47:18,069 --> 02:47:23,020espionage come after me

388902:47:20,860 --> 02:47:25,690the next thing this thing says is that

389002:47:23,021 --> 02:47:27,430however the NORAD commander has approved


389102:47:25,690 --> 02:47:30,130the release of the following information

389202:47:27,430 --> 02:47:33,130regarding tracks of interest of unknown

389302:47:30,129 --> 02:47:36,699tracks the yearly average in the past

389402:47:33,129 --> 02:47:42,849five years has been 1,800 tracks of

389502:47:36,700 --> 02:47:44,260interests and 75 intercepts now your

389602:47:42,850 --> 02:47:46,180listeners are gonna have to decide what

389702:47:44,260 --> 02:47:48,010tracks of interest really mean are they

389802:47:46,180 --> 02:47:50,139UFOs are they Birds

389902:47:48,010 --> 02:47:53,069are they Russian flights coming over our

390002:47:50,139 --> 02:47:55,180or our airspace and and not being

390102:47:53,069 --> 02:47:57,010intercepted or being intercepted we

390202:47:55,180 --> 02:48:00,250don't know but the fact of the matter is

390302:47:57,010 --> 02:48:02,469once again they don't know they call

390402:48:00,250 --> 02:48:05,379them tracks of interest or unknowns so

3905


02:48:02,469 --> 02:48:06,969the bottom line there is I'm guilty of

390602:48:05,379 --> 02:48:08,799espionage and I'm because I'm in

390702:48:06,969 --> 02:48:11,469possession of documents that refer to

390802:48:08,799 --> 02:48:13,359this stuff so that's the whole point of

390902:48:11,469 --> 02:48:16,420what I'm trying to do I am trying to

391002:48:13,360 --> 02:48:18,489create a create a crisis of information

391102:48:16,420 --> 02:48:20,979here David a severe crisis of

391202:48:18,489 --> 02:48:23,560information that I will be I'll stand

391302:48:20,979 --> 02:48:25,060accused of that and that's why I'm

391402:48:23,560 --> 02:48:27,100having a hearing and I'm gonna bring

391502:48:25,060 --> 02:48:29,829this up with a hearing and state in fact

391602:48:27,100 --> 02:48:33,430an I am guilty of espionage and go after

391702:48:29,829 --> 02:48:35,409me tell me that I'm wrong about this

391802:48:33,430 --> 02:48:38,290whole situation because I have a letter

391902:48:35,409 --> 02:48:41,139


from the commander of NORAD saying that

392002:48:38,290 --> 02:48:43,330door a does this stuff and soon as that

392102:48:41,139 --> 02:48:46,239information gets out anyone who has the

392202:48:43,329 --> 02:48:50,200information is guilty of espionage so

392302:48:46,239 --> 02:48:53,260bring me to court whatever you want to

392402:48:50,200 --> 02:48:55,390do I'm willing to do it so that this

392502:48:53,260 --> 02:48:57,340information comes out so these two

392602:48:55,389 --> 02:48:59,139documents are key in what this whole

392702:48:57,340 --> 02:49:00,549hearing is going to be all about and

392802:48:59,139 --> 02:49:03,039I've got names and places and

392902:49:00,549 --> 02:49:06,250information that will you know shake

393002:49:03,040 --> 02:49:08,800this stuff loose and hopefully have the

393102:49:06,250 --> 02:49:12,030media understand that this is much much

393202:49:08,799 --> 02:49:14,199bigger than they ever anticipated so

393302:49:12,030 --> 02:49:16,300that's that's the bottom line of those


393402:49:14,200 --> 02:49:19,210two documents that's incredible and I do

393502:49:16,299 --> 02:49:21,699have to pass a a word on from Chris in

393602:49:19,209 --> 02:49:23,859the space l radio chat room on Spreaker

393702:49:21,700 --> 02:49:26,470after the words you just said he's

393802:49:23,860 --> 02:49:30,120saying make sure Victor publicly states

393902:49:26,469 --> 02:49:30,119he will never commit suicide

394002:49:30,750 --> 02:49:38,170well no exit

394102:49:34,601 --> 02:49:40,210no that won't happen well you know I

394202:49:38,170 --> 02:49:42,370there always has to be some sort of

394302:49:40,209 --> 02:49:44,829protection Victor that brings up a good

394402:49:42,370 --> 02:49:47,380point though a lot of people who are in

394502:49:44,829 --> 02:49:50,800these fields who are quote endquote

394602:49:47,379 --> 02:49:53,379in the know or getting close to being in

394702:49:50,800 --> 02:49:55,359the know they're followed their phones


394802:49:53,379 --> 02:49:59,949are tapped their computers are happy

394902:49:55,360 --> 02:50:02,290they have black vehicles following them

395002:49:59,950 --> 02:50:04,931everywhere maybe visits from men in

395102:50:02,290 --> 02:50:06,790black have you ever had anything like

395202:50:04,931 --> 02:50:08,710that have you ever had anybody come up

395302:50:06,790 --> 02:50:10,900to you or a phone call that was strange

395402:50:08,709 --> 02:50:16,419saying you better stop talking about

395502:50:10,899 --> 02:50:21,459this stuff never never do you feel

395602:50:16,420 --> 02:50:23,470fortunate about that you know what I do

395702:50:21,459 --> 02:50:25,029really I don't care I really don't care

395802:50:23,470 --> 02:50:27,761David I'm being really honest with you

395902:50:25,030 --> 02:50:30,190here I don't care I'm fortunate not it

396002:50:27,761 --> 02:50:34,899just it's it's part of my thinking

396102:50:30,190 --> 02:50:37,601process I I don't I just don't care I

3962


02:50:34,899 --> 02:50:42,250have I have an affidavit filed with my

396302:50:37,601 --> 02:50:45,551solicitor my personal lawyer to to take

396402:50:42,250 --> 02:50:46,870action if if I do yeah you get feel

396502:50:45,550 --> 02:50:49,930threatened or if something does happen

396602:50:46,870 --> 02:50:52,900to me so he has my he has my

396702:50:49,931 --> 02:50:54,670authorization to take acts publicly if

396802:50:52,899 --> 02:50:59,079anything does happen to me or anyone in

396902:50:54,670 --> 02:51:04,420my family so I did this God Holy Smoke a

397002:50:59,079 --> 02:51:06,280good 20 years ago 20 years ago I did

397102:51:04,420 --> 02:51:09,399that just a you know just to put that

397202:51:06,280 --> 02:51:11,590carga on the table and no I don't I

397302:51:09,399 --> 02:51:13,989don't I don't see that and and if and if

397402:51:11,590 --> 02:51:16,149that did happen if they did if I felt

397502:51:13,989 --> 02:51:18,489threatened I have my own way of dealing

397602:51:16,149 --> 02:51:20,199


with that I have a very very specific

397702:51:18,489 --> 02:51:24,459plan in place so how I might deal with

397802:51:20,200 --> 02:51:26,860that and you know it's I mean I know

397902:51:24,459 --> 02:51:29,069that the there's been situations where

398002:51:26,860 --> 02:51:31,150families have been threatened and and

398102:51:29,069 --> 02:51:33,520you know people have been threatened in

398202:51:31,149 --> 02:51:36,489different ways or family members you

398302:51:33,521 --> 02:51:39,551know I'm I'm willing to take those rips

398402:51:36,489 --> 02:51:41,649because this issue is so big okay if

398502:51:39,550 --> 02:51:43,720this was something you know relatively

398602:51:41,649 --> 02:51:47,109prosaic you know I might I might you

398702:51:43,720 --> 02:51:47,709know bend and and give in you know but

398802:51:47,110 --> 02:51:50,950this is

398902:51:47,709 --> 02:51:53,409just far far too big for me to back away

399002:51:50,950 --> 02:51:55,150from anything that the government or


399102:51:53,409 --> 02:51:57,670anyone beyond the government could do

399202:51:55,149 --> 02:52:00,279you know I I'm willing to do anything

399302:51:57,670 --> 02:52:03,190and I mean any to get this information

399402:52:00,280 --> 02:52:06,880out and if that means sacrificing my own

399502:52:03,190 --> 02:52:08,530well-being so be it as long as the truth

399602:52:06,879 --> 02:52:12,909comes out I mean I would not do it in

399702:52:08,530 --> 02:52:16,479vain I would good in vain for sure but I

399802:52:12,909 --> 02:52:19,930I have I have access to the to to people

399902:52:16,478 --> 02:52:22,929in situations where if anything that

400002:52:19,930 --> 02:52:25,720does occur to me it'll be made known in

400102:52:22,930 --> 02:52:27,639a very very specific way so it's not

400202:52:25,719 --> 02:52:30,099something that occupies my mind one

400302:52:27,639 --> 02:52:31,899little bit I'd really I mean if I got a

400402:52:30,100 --> 02:52:37,000visit from somebody tomorrow my front


400502:52:31,899 --> 02:52:40,180door I know exactly how I'd react I know

400602:52:37,000 --> 02:52:45,969exactly how I would react and being a

400702:52:40,180 --> 02:52:47,050bit of Italian background I don't know

400802:52:45,969 --> 02:52:49,629if you're what I've seen The Godfather

400902:52:47,049 --> 02:52:52,389but they have you know we as a

401002:52:49,629 --> 02:52:54,459civilization as an ethnic group we have

401102:52:52,389 --> 02:52:57,579dear ways of dealing with people that

401202:52:54,459 --> 02:53:00,309that are that are not the nicest you

401302:52:57,579 --> 02:53:02,228know people's oh you know you've got

401402:53:00,309 --> 02:53:04,930this information - that the basic bottom

401502:53:02,228 --> 02:53:08,590line is I'm not a very nice person David

401602:53:04,930 --> 02:53:12,190okay and my level of threshold of anger

401702:53:08,590 --> 02:53:13,960is very very short very short and when

401802:53:12,190 --> 02:53:15,880I'm threatened or when someone says

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02:53:13,959 --> 02:53:18,849something to me that that threatens me I

402002:53:15,879 --> 02:53:21,670have ways of dealing with and I can hold

402102:53:18,850 --> 02:53:23,590my own against anyone and if it comes

402202:53:21,670 --> 02:53:25,120pushed you know push comes to shove I

402302:53:23,590 --> 02:53:27,549have ways of dealing with it and I'm

402402:53:25,120 --> 02:53:31,479fully fully prepared to deal with it at

402502:53:27,549 --> 02:53:35,309the most basic venal level possible to

402602:53:31,478 --> 02:53:38,920make my point and if that means taking

402702:53:35,309 --> 02:53:40,930violent action I will do it and that

402802:53:38,920 --> 02:53:43,210that because she was to me that's how

402902:53:40,930 --> 02:53:45,700very very important this issue is and

403002:53:43,209 --> 02:53:49,209it's a it's not a pleasant thought but

403102:53:45,700 --> 02:53:52,120it's something that I grew up with I

403202:53:49,209 --> 02:53:55,679grew up with this mind and I hate being

403302:53:52,120 --> 02:53:58,450


lied to and the people that I love and

403402:53:55,680 --> 02:54:00,880know are theirs of the you know in this

403502:53:58,450 --> 02:54:01,600whole issue they hate being lied to - so

403602:54:00,879 --> 02:54:03,908we need

403702:54:01,600 --> 02:54:06,010to take the action that's necessary to

403802:54:03,908 --> 02:54:08,289protect ourselves first of all and then

403902:54:06,010 --> 02:54:10,719to get this information out and like I

404002:54:08,290 --> 02:54:13,300said earlier I will do anything to make

404102:54:10,719 --> 02:54:15,459sure this stuff gets out and that's

404202:54:13,299 --> 02:54:18,459we're all about with this hearing well

404302:54:15,459 --> 02:54:22,299I'm gonna remind myself mentally never

404402:54:18,459 --> 02:54:25,089to push you around if you're coming out

404502:54:22,299 --> 02:54:28,478of watching a rocky movie because it's

404602:54:25,090 --> 02:54:31,359all you Italians fire right up I'm sorry

404702:54:28,478 --> 02:54:33,579yeah that's just--that's we are I'm


404802:54:31,359 --> 02:54:37,119sorry I mean that I mean that with all

404902:54:33,579 --> 02:54:40,029all humor yeah when it comes to these

405002:54:37,119 --> 02:54:43,449documents with NORAD and you know you

405102:54:40,029 --> 02:54:47,140being held you know could be held in

405202:54:43,449 --> 02:54:50,050espionage and you say you're not worried

405302:54:47,139 --> 02:54:52,629about any repercussions and you have a

405402:54:50,049 --> 02:54:55,868security blanket in place in case

405502:54:52,629 --> 02:54:58,959something does happen is it a matter of

405602:54:55,869 --> 02:55:03,579preparing for the worst but hoping for

405702:54:58,959 --> 02:55:06,009the best well I think the way that that

405802:55:03,579 --> 02:55:07,359I personally am handling this issue with

405902:55:06,010 --> 02:55:09,130the number of people that I'm engaging

406002:55:07,359 --> 02:55:10,689in the hearings in the number of like

406102:55:09,129 --> 02:55:12,488the Richard Dolan and ambassadors of the


406202:55:10,689 --> 02:55:15,100world you know they're they're in a very

406302:55:12,488 --> 02:55:16,868similar position to me and maybe even

406402:55:15,100 --> 02:55:19,510more so because Steven Bassett has put

406502:55:16,869 --> 02:55:23,109himself out much more than I have so as

406602:55:19,510 --> 02:55:24,250a Dolan and so is Nick Pope I mean you

406702:55:23,109 --> 02:55:25,779know these are all people that are going

406802:55:24,250 --> 02:55:27,760to be at the hearing giving testimony

406902:55:25,779 --> 02:55:30,069but so they're at just as much risk if

407002:55:27,760 --> 02:55:31,568not more than I am I mean I'm not a main

407102:55:30,068 --> 02:55:33,368player I'm not a major player in this

407202:55:31,568 --> 02:55:35,469it's just that I brought these people

407302:55:33,369 --> 02:55:37,600together because I try to be a

407402:55:35,469 --> 02:55:39,398consensus-builder in this and I want

407502:55:37,600 --> 02:55:41,140these people at this hearing to give

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02:55:39,398 --> 02:55:43,599their testimony in front of the in front

407702:55:41,139 --> 02:55:45,908of the media and academics that this is

407802:55:43,600 --> 02:55:48,760this is my role I I see myself as a

407902:55:45,908 --> 02:55:49,868collegial entity creating consensus

408002:55:48,760 --> 02:55:53,219where people are going to come together

408102:55:49,869 --> 02:55:54,939to hear the world's best experts on it a

408202:55:53,219 --> 02:55:56,948fifth of this year

408302:55:54,939 --> 02:55:58,210this is not going to happen again and

408402:55:56,949 --> 02:56:00,670it's the first time it's ever happened

408502:55:58,209 --> 02:56:03,759in Canada so the reason I'm doing is to

408602:56:00,670 --> 02:56:05,469get the best possible minds together so

408702:56:03,760 --> 02:56:07,238that they can be presented to the media

408802:56:05,469 --> 02:56:09,278and say here are the goods this is

408902:56:07,238 --> 02:56:11,350what's really going on and that's my

409002:56:09,279 --> 02:56:12,279


rule I don't necessarily think that I'm

409102:56:11,350 --> 02:56:14,260going to be that you know the major

409202:56:12,279 --> 02:56:15,479activists and all of this I'm just a

409302:56:14,260 --> 02:56:16,850facilitator

409402:56:15,478 --> 02:56:19,498someone who's bringing people together

409502:56:16,850 --> 02:56:20,970to to state their cases in many

409602:56:19,498 --> 02:56:23,010different ways and each one of these

409702:56:20,969 --> 02:56:25,858these people Paul Hellyer Nick Pope

409802:56:23,010 --> 02:56:28,590Stanton Friedman grant Cameron Bassett

409902:56:25,859 --> 02:56:31,498and Dole they each have a very very

410002:56:28,590 --> 02:56:34,289unique perspective a well researched and

410102:56:31,498 --> 02:56:36,299very specific an authentic position on

410202:56:34,289 --> 02:56:39,510this and the media needs to hear each

410302:56:36,299 --> 02:56:41,368one of these people hear me they need to

410402:56:39,510 --> 02:56:43,318hear these people who have done the work


410502:56:41,369 --> 02:56:46,109and who have have all of the background

410602:56:43,318 --> 02:56:47,488of this that it can explain it 10 times

410702:56:46,109 --> 02:56:49,590better than I ever could

410802:56:47,488 --> 02:56:51,238so this is what the media needs to hear

410902:56:49,590 --> 02:56:53,998and that's why I'm doing what I'm doing

411002:56:51,238 --> 02:56:56,698with with the hearing and in creating a

411102:56:53,998 --> 02:56:58,139situation where this openness can occur

411202:56:56,699 --> 02:57:00,029and people can say well you know what

411302:56:58,139 --> 02:57:02,248this is something that we need to talk

411402:57:00,029 --> 02:57:04,408about this is real this is not just a

411502:57:02,248 --> 02:57:07,439fabrication it's not just conspiracy

411602:57:04,408 --> 02:57:08,760theories this stuff is real and that's

411702:57:07,439 --> 02:57:11,850that's the point I'm trying to make with

411802:57:08,760 --> 02:57:14,789the hearing besides the gentleman you


411902:57:11,850 --> 02:57:17,369spoke of the alien cosmic Expo takes

412002:57:14,789 --> 02:57:20,100place between June 24th and 26th in

412102:57:17,369 --> 02:57:23,310Brantford Ontario right who else will be

412202:57:20,100 --> 02:57:25,680speaking there at the hearings at the as

412302:57:23,309 --> 02:57:27,988experiencers let's get the public really

412402:57:25,680 --> 02:57:30,828charged up on this yeah well essentially

412502:57:27,988 --> 02:57:33,359the the hearing people are going to be

412602:57:30,828 --> 02:57:35,908the ones on the panel of course Paul

412702:57:33,359 --> 02:57:38,609Hellyer okay he'll be a major witness

412802:57:35,908 --> 02:57:39,059Richard Dolan will be will be on the

412902:57:38,609 --> 02:57:41,550panel

413002:57:39,059 --> 02:57:44,219Steven Bassett from the u.s. lobbyists

413102:57:41,549 --> 02:57:46,889will be there Nick Pope the former

413202:57:44,219 --> 02:57:48,868British Minister defense official who

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02:57:46,889 --> 02:57:51,238was in charge of the UFO desk grant

413402:57:48,869 --> 02:57:52,800Cameron will be there that the fantastic

413502:57:51,238 --> 02:57:54,020UFO researcher has brought forward all

413602:57:52,799 --> 02:57:56,488the information on the president's

413702:57:54,020 --> 02:57:59,130Stanton Friedman will be there retired

413802:57:56,488 --> 02:58:03,209physicist and he's an expert at document

413902:57:59,129 --> 02:58:05,038and and of course Travis Walton a major

414002:58:03,209 --> 02:58:06,929experience there he was the subject of

414102:58:05,039 --> 02:58:10,350the of the Hollywood movie fire in the

414202:58:06,930 --> 02:58:11,930sky and as Travis and I spoke a couple

414302:58:10,350 --> 02:58:15,600of weeks ago and he's very very

414402:58:11,930 --> 02:58:17,988enthusiastic about my approach and as I

414502:58:15,600 --> 02:58:20,340spoke with him in very similar terms

414602:58:17,988 --> 02:58:22,350knocking right now and he's very very

414702:58:20,340 --> 02:58:24,568


enthusiastic about being part of this

414802:58:22,350 --> 02:58:26,578panel so he will be a big draw there so

414902:58:24,568 --> 02:58:28,799those are the the seven people involved

415002:58:26,578 --> 02:58:31,500in this and I think

415102:58:28,799 --> 02:58:33,448it's the best lineup possible it's the

415202:58:31,500 --> 02:58:35,728best possible there are there are no

415302:58:33,449 --> 02:58:38,630other as far as I'm concerned experts

415402:58:35,728 --> 02:58:41,038that are better on the entire planet

415502:58:38,629 --> 02:58:43,559about this whole issue other than

415602:58:41,039 --> 02:58:46,829possibly Daniel Sheehan who I invited

415702:58:43,559 --> 02:58:50,398but he can't make it and also possibly

415802:58:46,828 --> 02:58:52,889Michael salla from Hawaii Michael was

415902:58:50,398 --> 02:58:54,568also unable but we sort of had to limit

416002:58:52,889 --> 02:58:57,118it to a certain number we didn't want to

416102:58:54,568 --> 02:58:59,278overcrowd the panel so I think with


416202:58:57,119 --> 02:59:01,828Grant and Stanton and Steve and Richard

416302:58:59,279 --> 02:59:04,828and mr. halyards and Travis Walton we

416402:59:01,828 --> 02:59:08,219have the the cream of the crop that will

416502:59:04,828 --> 02:59:10,590give the best possible testimony that

416602:59:08,219 --> 02:59:12,118anyone could ever imagine if you cannot

416702:59:10,590 --> 02:59:13,559understand what they're trying to say

416802:59:12,119 --> 02:59:15,810about this then you might have just

416902:59:13,559 --> 02:59:18,269leave the room and go hide under a rock

417002:59:15,809 --> 02:59:21,658somewhere you know because these people

417102:59:18,270 --> 02:59:23,970will give you the goods far and wide and

417202:59:21,658 --> 02:59:27,689and explain why this issue is so

417302:59:23,969 --> 02:59:30,118meaningful to us as a human species so I

417402:59:27,689 --> 02:59:33,029would invite everyone to you know either

417502:59:30,119 --> 02:59:36,239buy a ticket you know we're hoping to


417602:59:33,029 --> 02:59:39,420have it streamed live and you can go to

417702:59:36,238 --> 02:59:41,609the to the conference site I've got it

417802:59:39,420 --> 02:59:45,420here where the heck is it it is just the

417902:59:41,609 --> 02:59:47,609alien cosmic Expo just google alien

418002:59:45,420 --> 02:59:52,260cosmic Expo you can buy your tips or

418102:59:47,609 --> 02:59:54,420whatever you want to do plug into the I

418202:59:52,260 --> 02:59:56,550guess there hopefully we can get the the

418302:59:54,420 --> 02:59:58,228live streaming done just the whole this

418402:59:56,549 --> 03:00:00,269stuff cost so much money it's just

418502:59:58,228 --> 03:00:02,728amazing how much money this actually

418603:00:00,270 --> 03:00:04,470costs and do this stuff and I know the

418703:00:02,728 --> 03:00:06,028sponsors that we have are putting out

418803:00:04,469 --> 03:00:09,049the dollars and that's a very difficult

418903:00:06,029 --> 03:00:11,488part of it so we're looking for a broad

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03:00:09,049 --> 03:00:13,379you know public support on this so that

419103:00:11,488 --> 03:00:14,908people come out and the a that we can

419203:00:13,379 --> 03:00:18,179pay our bills and then B we can get this

419303:00:14,908 --> 03:00:22,228message out and it's gonna be a very

419403:00:18,180 --> 03:00:24,238very good time no it will be the one

419503:00:22,228 --> 03:00:27,778thing that I like about it is you have

419603:00:24,238 --> 03:00:30,750the the who's who of the guests and the

419703:00:27,779 --> 03:00:33,539public is going to be able to be around

419803:00:30,750 --> 03:00:35,699them and and have that opportunity to be

419903:00:33,539 --> 03:00:39,630around these experts to chat with them

420003:00:35,699 --> 03:00:41,220one-on-one in situations and to have

420103:00:39,629 --> 03:00:42,478their questions answered directly I

420203:00:41,219 --> 03:00:44,368think it's it's

420303:00:42,478 --> 03:00:47,099so user friendly this conference it's

420403:00:44,369 --> 03:00:48,748


much more so than what any other normal

420503:00:47,100 --> 03:00:50,520conference will be yeah you know the

420603:00:48,748 --> 03:00:52,770good thing about the whole situation

420703:00:50,520 --> 03:00:54,779really the conference is not not the the

420803:00:52,770 --> 03:00:57,658appropriate word this is a an inquiry

420903:00:54,779 --> 03:01:00,720it's a we are setting it up it's a

421003:00:57,658 --> 03:01:03,090judicially quasi judicial inquiry where

421103:01:00,719 --> 03:01:04,799we'll have these seven people on a panel

421203:01:03,090 --> 03:01:07,920giving testimony and then we're gonna

421303:01:04,799 --> 03:01:09,448have a panel of journalists challenging

421403:01:07,920 --> 03:01:13,109them I've got these journalists on the

421503:01:09,449 --> 03:01:15,600panel David who are skeptics these these

421603:01:13,109 --> 03:01:17,609are people that I have chosen that don't

421703:01:15,600 --> 03:01:19,529believe in this stuff but they're

421803:01:17,609 --> 03:01:21,359open-minded enough to say yes okay


421903:01:19,529 --> 03:01:23,399I'll be part of that panel but I want to

422003:01:21,359 --> 03:01:24,720feel the best my best questions that you

422103:01:23,398 --> 03:01:26,248know convince me this stuff is right

422203:01:24,719 --> 03:01:29,010because I don't believe it

422303:01:26,248 --> 03:01:29,578that's a whole key part of this this

422403:01:29,010 --> 03:01:31,738whole hearing

422503:01:29,578 --> 03:01:34,590we've got panelists who are not

422603:01:31,738 --> 03:01:38,129convinced of the issue and I want these

422703:01:34,590 --> 03:01:41,309panelists and other media to see these

422803:01:38,129 --> 03:01:42,898good questions say mr. Bassett what was

422903:01:41,309 --> 03:01:44,340just about Hillary Clinton onee and

423003:01:42,898 --> 03:01:46,408that's that's all garbage as far as I'm

423103:01:44,340 --> 03:01:49,619concerned convinced me that she means

423203:01:46,408 --> 03:01:52,260something mr. Dolan tell me about the


423303:01:49,619 --> 03:01:55,560fact that UFOs have shut down nuclear

423403:01:52,260 --> 03:01:55,949weapons come on you've got to be full of

423503:01:55,559 --> 03:02:00,180hot air

423603:01:55,949 --> 03:02:02,908convinced me mr. mr. mr. Pope you were

423703:02:00,180 --> 03:02:04,609part of it desk it in its in the in the

423803:02:02,908 --> 03:02:07,170in the British Minister of Defence

423903:02:04,609 --> 03:02:09,658fielding questions about UFOs and

424003:02:07,170 --> 03:02:13,398reports yes tell me about these reports

424103:02:09,658 --> 03:02:16,498I want to know Mr Cameron

424203:02:13,398 --> 03:02:19,680Jimmy Carter had a UFO sighting no that

424303:02:16,498 --> 03:02:21,840can't possibly tell me about that so are

424403:02:19,680 --> 03:02:24,148we I'm one of these journalists to

424503:02:21,840 --> 03:02:27,809challenge each one of my guests each one

424603:02:24,148 --> 03:02:29,939of my my my panelists on the veracity of

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03:02:27,809 --> 03:02:32,398what they're doing and in that interplay

424803:02:29,939 --> 03:02:35,550we're hoping to say that these journals

424903:02:32,398 --> 03:02:36,028will say Holy Smoke that this can't be

425003:02:35,549 --> 03:02:38,398true

425103:02:36,029 --> 03:02:40,229and but they the only conclusion they

425203:02:38,398 --> 03:02:42,719can come to because I know these people

425303:02:40,228 --> 03:02:44,998these men are going to give their best

425403:02:42,719 --> 03:02:48,269and say this is the information

425503:02:44,998 --> 03:02:50,100this is antic write about it write about

425603:02:48,270 --> 03:02:52,529it and make sure our government knows

425703:02:50,100 --> 03:02:54,568about it make this an issue that we can

425803:02:52,529 --> 03:02:56,190talk I talked about earlier make this an

425903:02:54,568 --> 03:02:58,229issue that we can all talk I want to see

426003:02:56,190 --> 03:03:00,181the stuff in the newspaper tomorrow and

426103:02:58,229 --> 03:03:02,279


the next day and the next day and the

426203:03:00,181 --> 03:03:04,110next day now I'm shooting hi you know

426303:03:02,280 --> 03:03:06,659how well we do with this I don't know

426403:03:04,110 --> 03:03:08,551but the fact the matter is we are going

426503:03:06,659 --> 03:03:10,500to get the stuff out into the press one

426603:03:08,550 --> 03:03:13,350way or another and that's why I'm hoping

426703:03:10,500 --> 03:03:15,421these these panelists from the Toronto

426803:03:13,351 --> 03:03:17,400Sun and universities and so on and so

426903:03:15,421 --> 03:03:19,171forth can get this information out and

427003:03:17,399 --> 03:03:20,789make it something that we can all talk

427103:03:19,171 --> 03:03:23,610about the next day and continue to talk

427203:03:20,790 --> 03:03:26,460about it afterwards so that's that's the

427303:03:23,610 --> 03:03:29,370direction the hearing is going and it's

427403:03:26,459 --> 03:03:31,170a bit of a risk I'm not sure what's

427503:03:29,370 --> 03:03:33,601gonna go or how it's gonna work out but


427603:03:31,171 --> 03:03:37,710you know if you don't take a risk you

427703:03:33,601 --> 03:03:40,771don't realize your dreams that is the

427803:03:37,709 --> 03:03:43,859truth alien cosmic Expo June 24th to

427903:03:40,771 --> 03:03:45,48026th in Brantford Ontario Canada you can

428003:03:43,860 --> 03:03:47,790go to their website to check it out

428103:03:45,479 --> 03:03:49,319google it if you need to get your

428203:03:47,790 --> 03:03:51,591tickets especially if you're on the East

428303:03:49,319 --> 03:03:54,449Coast and you want one of the best

428403:03:51,591 --> 03:03:57,470cosmic Expos out there to hear some of

428503:03:54,450 --> 03:04:00,561the best speakers around on these topics

428603:03:57,470 --> 03:04:03,119professionals this is the one to go to

428703:04:00,560 --> 03:04:04,921Victor VG honey thank you so much for

428803:04:03,120 --> 03:04:06,540being on spaced-out radio tonight I'm

428903:04:04,921 --> 03:04:12,899gonna get you to hold on for a couple of


429003:04:06,540 --> 03:04:15,150minutes while I close out this show we

429103:04:12,899 --> 03:04:19,199want to thank Victor Viviani once again

429203:04:15,149 --> 03:04:22,819zeal and communications blogspot.com is

429303:04:19,200 --> 03:04:26,480his website if you want to check it out

429403:04:22,819 --> 03:04:29,101what a great three hours that went quick

429503:04:26,479 --> 03:04:30,270one of the quickest shows we've had in a

429603:04:29,101 --> 03:04:32,940long time I think we could have gone

429703:04:30,271 --> 03:04:35,851another two three hours once again that

429803:04:32,940 --> 03:04:37,980was heavy I hope you enjoyed it thanks

429903:04:35,851 --> 03:04:40,500everyone listening in on the SHR Media

430003:04:37,979 --> 03:04:43,020Network on paranormal forum spaced-out

430103:04:40,500 --> 03:04:45,421radio chat room on Spreaker and on

430203:04:43,021 --> 03:04:48,659facebook at UWE foria Chronicles and our

430303:04:45,421 --> 03:04:50,341flagship SOR space travelers great to

4304


03:04:48,659 --> 03:04:51,921have you all with us tonight tomorrow

430503:04:50,341 --> 03:04:54,841night on the show 9 p.m. Pacific

430603:04:51,921 --> 03:04:57,421midnight Eastern our Keith Andrews is

430703:04:54,841 --> 03:05:00,239back first Friday the month means it's

430803:04:57,421 --> 03:05:01,761the alien connection that is with Keith

430903:05:00,239 --> 03:05:04,079tomorrow night

431003:05:01,761 --> 03:05:06,360remember you can follow us on twitter at

431103:05:04,079 --> 03:05:09,601spaced out radio give our Facebook page

431203:05:06,360 --> 03:05:09,869alike spaced out radio show on Instagram

431303:05:09,601 --> 03:05:12,299I

431403:05:09,869 --> 03:05:15,239to be followed a Dave Scott SOR our

431503:05:12,299 --> 03:05:17,520YouTube channel is spaced out radio show

431603:05:15,238 --> 03:05:19,378subscribe to our archives there and of

431703:05:17,520 --> 03:05:22,828course our website which will have a

431803:05:19,379 --> 03:05:24,829


brand new look once again coming up in a

431903:05:22,828 --> 03:05:28,318couple of weeks is spaced-out radio.com

432003:05:24,828 --> 03:05:31,468our man the music god the music myth and

432103:05:28,318 --> 03:05:34,679the you music legend ron bumblefoot Thal

432203:05:31,468 --> 03:05:37,408rocking us out click on artists banner

432303:05:34,679 --> 03:05:39,509on space out radio calm show you how to

432403:05:37,408 --> 03:05:41,850get a hold of bumblefoot say hello tell

432503:05:39,509 --> 03:05:45,539me hurt him on space out radio you love

432603:05:41,850 --> 03:05:49,078his music he does reply the former GNR

432703:05:45,539 --> 03:05:51,389lead guitarist taking us out once again

432803:05:49,078 --> 03:05:52,949as he normally does you're listening to

432903:05:51,388 --> 03:05:54,748space L radio we're gonna wrap up the

433003:05:52,949 --> 03:05:55,529week tomorrow night thank you so much

433103:05:54,748 --> 03:06:00,148for tuning in

433203:05:55,529 --> 03:06:01,588I'll talk to you in exactly 21 hours


433303:06:00,148 --> 03:06:03,658from now appreciate it

433403:06:01,588 --> 03:06:05,369tell a friend about the show if you have

433503:06:03,658 --> 03:06:07,439it already tell a friend we'd love to

433603:06:05,369 --> 03:06:08,200mention new listeners on the air have a

433703:06:07,439 --> 03:06:16,120good one good night

433803:06:08,200 --> 03:06:16,120[Music]

433903:06:17,299 --> 03:06:23,310this is the new totalitarian state a

434003:06:20,989 --> 03:06:26,159thousand eyes are waiting for you to

434103:06:23,310 --> 03:06:29,170break the stay and nine don't make a

434203:06:26,159 --> 03:06:39,200mistake we're watching

434303:06:29,170 --> 03:06:44,329[Music]

434403:06:39,200 --> 03:06:49,239[Applause]

434503:06:44,329 --> 03:06:49,238[Music]

434603:06:57,010 --> 03:07:00,139[Applause]


434703:07:03,430 --> 03:07:15,110[Music]

434803:07:15,549 --> 03:07:17,608you

434903:07:23,809 --> 03:07:25,868you

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