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Spaced Out Radio - Oct. 14_16 - Haunted Sleepovers Paranormal_cvxQ3jfXCgg - transcript (automated).txt[19/06/2019 13:22:48]

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200:00:30,600 --> 00:00:38,520little brother has taken control

300:00:33,950 --> 00:00:42,120shoveling dirt every hole predators to

400:00:38,520 --> 00:00:50,100him your soul watching you and watching

500:00:42,119 --> 00:00:52,759me misunderstood and so frustrated a

600:00:50,100 --> 00:00:57,679million armies of one have invaded

700:00:52,759 --> 00:00:57,679watching you and watching me

800:01:04,390 --> 00:01:08,859we'll be longer

900:01:09,189 --> 00:01:12,420[Music]

1000:01:19,700 --> 00:01:22,808[Music]

1100:01:28,129 --> 00:01:34,459so brother wants to make headlines be

1200:01:31,459 --> 00:01:34,459immortalized

1300:01:34,759 --> 00:01:40,849everyone's got an electric eye we're at

1400:01:37,769 --> 00:01:40,849the Digital spy's


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1600:01:56,519 --> 00:01:59,640[Applause]

1700:02:03,730 --> 00:02:10,710[Applause]

1800:02:06,719 --> 00:02:14,159we the people have taken over we the

1900:02:10,710 --> 00:02:17,580people are the tow brother standing by

2000:02:14,159 --> 00:02:24,650to throne each other watching you and

2100:02:17,580 --> 00:02:28,020watching me desensitizing of us

2200:02:24,650 --> 00:02:33,650pretension democratize by oh boy your

2300:02:28,020 --> 00:02:33,650obsessions watching you and watching me

2400:02:34,370 --> 00:02:37,090action

2500:02:39,568 --> 00:02:44,250feel your every flaw

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00:03:04,189 --> 00:03:10,460little brother wants to make headlines

3000:03:06,449 --> 00:03:10,459we're motorized

3100:03:11,240 --> 00:03:15,640everyone's got an electric eye where the

3200:03:13,939 --> 00:03:25,699digital spy

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3600:03:58,990 --> 00:04:01,830Wow

3700:04:03,240 --> 00:04:09,250totalitarian state a thousand eyes are

3800:04:06,520 --> 00:04:14,790waiting for you to break let's stay and

3900:04:09,250 --> 00:04:14,789hide don't make a mistake we're watching

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5000:05:22,500 --> 00:05:35,110[Applause]

5100:05:30,060 --> 00:05:36,519let your experience begin right now from

5200:05:35,110 --> 00:05:38,590high atop the mountains of British

5300:05:36,519 --> 00:05:39,068Columbia to you listening around the

5400:05:38,589 --> 00:05:42,339world

5500:05:39,069 --> 00:05:44,729this is spaced-out radio you can follow

5600:05:42,339 --> 00:05:48,758us on our web site spaced-out radio.com

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5900:05:51,158 --> 00:05:56,848show you can follow us on instagram dave

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6200:06:01,899 --> 00:06:07,579play with all charges

6300:06:04,338 --> 00:06:07,579because it

6400:06:12,079 --> 00:06:16,338but we break on commanders

6500:06:16,810 --> 00:06:22,970buckle up space travelers it's time to

6600:06:19,819 --> 00:06:25,750go for a ride as we are live on space

6700:06:22,970 --> 00:06:25,750note radio

6800:07:03,600 --> 00:07:06,689[Applause]

6900:07:18,379 --> 00:07:22,920good evening and welcome to spaced out

7000:07:20,759 --> 00:07:24,629radio tonight I am your host Dave Scott

7100:07:22,920 --> 00:07:27,930thanks for listening in at spaced-out


7200:07:24,629 --> 00:07:29,579radio.com on Spreaker and on revolution

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13600:09:46,220 --> 00:09:51,779tonight at I'm expecting a lot of fun as

13700:09:49,110 --> 00:09:54,090we step into the field of ghost hunting

13800:09:51,779 --> 00:09:56,669as we draw closer to Halloween we want

13900:09:54,090 --> 00:09:57,540to end the week on a haunted note but my

14000:09:56,669 --> 00:10:00,209guest tonight

14100:09:57,539 --> 00:10:01,730well they've actually kind of been

14200:10:00,210 --> 00:10:04,379pranked preparing for a couple of hours

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00:10:01,730 --> 00:10:06,269drinking red wine eating homemade

14400:10:04,379 --> 00:10:08,100piggies in a blanket and carving

14500:10:06,269 --> 00:10:10,710pumpkins in their pajamas hell they

14600:10:08,100 --> 00:10:12,210didn't invite a single one of us I'm a

14700:10:10,710 --> 00:10:12,840little pissed off with that but that's

14800:10:12,210 --> 00:10:14,940okay

14900:10:12,840 --> 00:10:16,500you know there are so many different

15000:10:14,940 --> 00:10:18,090teams of paranormal groups out there

15100:10:16,500 --> 00:10:20,820just trying to find their niche in the

15200:10:18,090 --> 00:10:22,920field that's makes it difficult to find

15300:10:20,820 --> 00:10:24,450a new concept and a new search for

15400:10:22,919 --> 00:10:26,879answers when it comes to dealing with

15500:10:24,450 --> 00:10:29,430the dead respect for those who have

15600:10:26,879 --> 00:10:31,080passed but decided to stick around

15700:10:29,429 --> 00:10:33,389


should always be of the utmost

15800:10:31,080 --> 00:10:36,960importance and that's why on Alicia

15900:10:33,389 --> 00:10:39,029ranae and Ellen do as they have kicked

16000:10:36,960 --> 00:10:41,519off their new group haunted sleepovers

16100:10:39,029 --> 00:10:44,490these ladies may be gorgeous on the

16200:10:41,519 --> 00:10:47,490outside but inside it's a real passion

16300:10:44,490 --> 00:10:49,769for the hunt it's not about them that's

16400:10:47,490 --> 00:10:51,930what I like about these ladies they are

16500:10:49,769 --> 00:10:55,049there trying to tell the stories of

16600:10:51,929 --> 00:10:57,389those left behind through every ghostly

16700:10:55,049 --> 00:11:00,419experience based out of Portland Oregon

16800:10:57,389 --> 00:11:02,909their investigative research begins and

16900:11:00,419 --> 00:11:04,500ends with the Shanghai tunnels looking

17000:11:02,909 --> 00:11:06,509into the history of those wretched

17100:11:04,500 --> 00:11:08,820tunnels and the buildings that connect


17200:11:06,509 --> 00:11:11,100them are a history lesson all on their

17300:11:08,820 --> 00:11:15,620own so let's bring in the crew from

17400:11:11,100 --> 00:11:20,129haunted sleepovers on Alicia how are you

17500:11:15,620 --> 00:11:22,769how are you I am good I am good I've got

17600:11:20,129 --> 00:11:26,759a good pair of socks on today so I'm

17700:11:22,769 --> 00:11:28,439pretty excited well you know you heard

17800:11:26,759 --> 00:11:31,559about the northwest we're having a

17900:11:28,440 --> 00:11:33,630little bit of a storm going on yes and

18000:11:31,559 --> 00:11:36,419it's happening right up the west coast

18100:11:33,629 --> 00:11:38,789here into British Columbia as well so

18200:11:36,419 --> 00:11:41,639you know for everyone who is affected if

18300:11:38,789 --> 00:11:42,599by chance that we lose power or lose

18400:11:41,639 --> 00:11:44,759connection

18500:11:42,600 --> 00:11:45,990with these three ladies what we are


18600:11:44,759 --> 00:11:49,289going to do is we're gonna try and get

18700:11:45,990 --> 00:11:50,909the back if not well what the hell we're

18800:11:49,289 --> 00:11:55,469gonna have to continue the show anyways

18900:11:50,909 --> 00:11:57,088but there is a major wind storm and rain

19000:11:55,470 --> 00:11:59,129storm happening here on the west coast

19100:11:57,089 --> 00:12:01,829from British Columbia all the way down

19200:11:59,129 --> 00:12:03,448through Oregon State and it's remnants

19300:12:01,828 --> 00:12:05,758of a typhoon that was happening in the

19400:12:03,448 --> 00:12:07,799Pacific Ocean you know the winds are

19500:12:05,759 --> 00:12:10,740supposed to get up to 80 90 100 miles an

19600:12:07,799 --> 00:12:12,448hour it is nasty out there that's why

19700:12:10,740 --> 00:12:17,399I'm glad I live at top of the mountain

19800:12:12,448 --> 00:12:21,359you know yeah I'll take a blizzard pass

19900:12:17,399 --> 00:12:23,610Renee how she got here well I'm sure I'm

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00:12:21,360 --> 00:12:28,159sure it was like frogger dodging trees

20100:12:23,610 --> 00:12:28,159and cars and everything like that

20200:12:29,720 --> 00:12:36,240nice very nice okay ladies I'm gonna get

20300:12:33,600 --> 00:12:38,310you to cuddle on in a little bit more

20400:12:36,240 --> 00:12:40,889towards the phone as we have on Alicia

20500:12:38,309 --> 00:12:43,169Renee and Ellen from haunted sleepovers

20600:12:40,889 --> 00:12:45,329here now you ladies have been preparing

20700:12:43,169 --> 00:12:48,479for this for a long time because I'm

20800:12:45,328 --> 00:12:51,870kind of honored you're a brand-new group

20900:12:48,480 --> 00:12:54,810out of Portland Oregon and here you've

21000:12:51,870 --> 00:12:58,169decided to allow spaced-out radio to be

21100:12:54,809 --> 00:13:01,919your first media public appearance and I

21200:12:58,169 --> 00:13:03,479have to say thank you for that well you

21300:13:01,919 --> 00:13:05,429know this is on Alicia by the way you

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know I've always been your number one

21500:13:05,429 --> 00:13:11,099fan for a couple years now and I

21600:13:09,089 --> 00:13:14,339remember when we met you were

21700:13:11,100 --> 00:13:16,800interviewing Michael P Jones of Shanghai

21800:13:14,339 --> 00:13:20,759tunnels at the time and you and I met

21900:13:16,799 --> 00:13:23,068through there and I just I love the way

22000:13:20,759 --> 00:13:27,539you conduct your interviews I love your

22100:13:23,068 --> 00:13:30,028questions I I feel that you can really

22200:13:27,539 --> 00:13:33,750make people talk and everybody's

22300:13:30,028 --> 00:13:36,990interested engaged and it meant a lot to

22400:13:33,750 --> 00:13:39,899me to tell you about our group this is

22500:13:36,990 --> 00:13:43,860the radio number one radio for me and I

22600:13:39,899 --> 00:13:47,129was very excited when you agreed to

22700:13:43,860 --> 00:13:50,009interview us it was the honor for me and

22800:13:47,129 --> 00:13:52,500for all of us here at believers you


22900:13:50,009 --> 00:13:56,519ladies are gonna give me an ego just an

23000:13:52,500 --> 00:13:58,589ego you know series

23100:13:56,519 --> 00:14:01,740just an ego coming around but that's

23200:13:58,589 --> 00:14:04,470okay I appreciate the sentiment I really

23300:14:01,740 --> 00:14:07,019do you know we try and do things the

23400:14:04,470 --> 00:14:09,870right way around here and I'm glad to

23500:14:07,019 --> 00:14:12,509see and say that that reputation seems

23600:14:09,870 --> 00:14:14,610to be going around a little bit here

23700:14:12,509 --> 00:14:16,528because the one thing that I have

23800:14:14,610 --> 00:14:18,720learned about this field is there's not

23900:14:16,528 --> 00:14:20,399a lot of journalistic integrity out

24000:14:18,720 --> 00:14:23,370there so that's what we try and provide

24100:14:20,399 --> 00:14:26,120is to give somebody people especially

24200:14:23,370 --> 00:14:29,519our listeners that option in order to


24300:14:26,120 --> 00:14:35,060have these topics of the alternative

24400:14:29,519 --> 00:14:38,490media out there on a very very good tone

24500:14:35,059 --> 00:14:40,649so thank you I appreciate that I don't

24600:14:38,490 --> 00:14:45,919know what how really to answer that so I

24700:14:40,649 --> 00:14:48,750hope that one works thank you thank you

24800:14:45,919 --> 00:14:50,519so anyways we're gonna be talking some

24900:14:48,750 --> 00:14:53,429ghostly adventures with you ladies

25000:14:50,519 --> 00:14:55,560tonight and at first right off the bat

25100:14:53,429 --> 00:14:58,649what I want to do here is I would like

25200:14:55,559 --> 00:15:00,508our audience to get to know you so Ellen

25300:14:58,649 --> 00:15:03,860we'll start with you if you don't mind

25400:15:00,509 --> 00:15:03,860because you're the blonde of the group

25500:15:06,769 --> 00:15:10,679exactly what I would love for you to

25600:15:09,120 --> 00:15:12,539tell us is a little bit about your

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00:15:10,679 --> 00:15:15,769history what what gets you into the

25800:15:12,539 --> 00:15:19,289paranormal what got you to this stage

25900:15:15,769 --> 00:15:21,839when I was 10 years old my family took

26000:15:19,289 --> 00:15:23,578over the family farm that had been

26100:15:21,839 --> 00:15:25,769purchased with the original Homestead

26200:15:23,578 --> 00:15:27,929Act and it had never left the family I

26300:15:25,769 --> 00:15:29,399guess I got transferred over and we

26400:15:27,929 --> 00:15:31,198started doing the remodel and that

26500:15:29,399 --> 00:15:33,179started I guess stirring things up and I

26600:15:31,198 --> 00:15:34,740was at that prime age I was 10

26700:15:33,179 --> 00:15:36,688and that's when you're either going to

26800:15:34,740 --> 00:15:39,389keep seeing them or stop seeing them and

26900:15:36,688 --> 00:15:41,789I saw my grandpa at the top of the

27000:15:39,389 --> 00:15:44,490stairs in my bedroom even when I was 11

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and it kind of all went from there the

27200:15:44,490 --> 00:15:49,889house was the pivotal point for me but

27300:15:47,309 --> 00:15:52,528then when I was in my freshman year of

27400:15:49,889 --> 00:15:55,860college I worked as I was a journalism

27500:15:52,528 --> 00:15:57,778student and I worked on saving a state

27600:15:55,860 --> 00:16:00,389hospital that was the last one from that

27700:15:57,778 --> 00:16:02,879architect and it had some pretty sketchy

27800:16:00,389 --> 00:16:05,339history and I was the first psychic to

27900:16:02,879 --> 00:16:09,299go in to the tunnels there and explore

28000:16:05,339 --> 00:16:09,840before they renovated it well that's

28100:16:09,299 --> 00:16:12,959really

28200:16:09,840 --> 00:16:15,420so Ellen when you say that you had

28300:16:12,960 --> 00:16:17,310experiences since you were you always a

28400:16:15,419 --> 00:16:19,429believer in this did you always believe

28500:16:17,309 --> 00:16:24,179that there were spirits and ghosts or


28600:16:19,429 --> 00:16:25,589the Living Dead on the other side yeah

28700:16:24,179 --> 00:16:29,639that's kind of mandatory when you're

28800:16:25,590 --> 00:16:31,769raised Irish well I'm sure you pound

28900:16:29,639 --> 00:16:39,778back a few guinnesses as well too good

29000:16:31,769 --> 00:16:41,309on you for that young lady Wow just get

29100:16:39,778 --> 00:16:43,019right to the heavy stuff right off the

29200:16:41,309 --> 00:16:45,838bat good for you good for you Renee

29300:16:43,019 --> 00:16:50,490let's bring you in here because you're

29400:16:45,839 --> 00:16:53,490the only Renee of the group no it's

29500:16:50,490 --> 00:16:55,259totally true I would like you to explain

29600:16:53,490 --> 00:16:57,269to us how you got involved with the

29700:16:55,259 --> 00:17:01,710paranormal was it a personal experience

29800:16:57,269 --> 00:17:04,199or was just a keen interest absolutely

29900:17:01,710 --> 00:17:07,860several personal experiences starting at


30000:17:04,199 --> 00:17:10,199a very young age I would have sensations

30100:17:07,859 --> 00:17:12,899in different areas when I would go into

30200:17:10,199 --> 00:17:16,709places that had paranormal activity

30300:17:12,900 --> 00:17:19,650sometimes I would have a vision or I

30400:17:16,709 --> 00:17:23,429would just kind of get different senses

30500:17:19,650 --> 00:17:25,709of cold off of objects so that kind of

30600:17:23,429 --> 00:17:27,810got me started and interested in the

30700:17:25,709 --> 00:17:29,850whole process I'm actually kind of new

30800:17:27,809 --> 00:17:32,039to the group and this whole experience

30900:17:29,849 --> 00:17:35,490I'm really looking forward to what on

31000:17:32,039 --> 00:17:38,129Alicia and Mellon can teach me yeah so

31100:17:35,490 --> 00:17:42,210I've always been a believer and I'm here

31200:17:38,130 --> 00:17:46,380to engage in rapport and hopefully share

31300:17:42,210 --> 00:17:50,190with the audience the history of my

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00:17:46,380 --> 00:17:52,950beautiful city of Portland Oregon and on

31500:17:50,190 --> 00:17:55,190Alicia are you happy that I'm actually

31600:17:52,950 --> 00:17:58,799pronouncing your name correctly

31700:17:55,190 --> 00:18:03,529you know everybody butchers it I know I

31800:17:58,799 --> 00:18:06,240know it it's because I I have perfected

31900:18:03,529 --> 00:18:12,269flirtation to the point where I am anal

32000:18:06,240 --> 00:18:14,460about names now so on Alicia you have I

32100:18:12,269 --> 00:18:16,259met you once again through the Shanghai

32200:18:14,460 --> 00:18:18,150tunnels when I had Michael on the air a

32300:18:16,259 --> 00:18:20,400number of months back and that was just

32400:18:18,150 --> 00:18:21,430a fantastic interview I really didn't

32500:18:20,400 --> 00:18:23,740know how that one

32600:18:21,430 --> 00:18:26,769was going to play out but it was such a

32700:18:23,740 --> 00:18:28,930stellar stellar conversation that him

32800:18:26,769 --> 00:18:31,329


and I had and you know what I'm

32900:18:28,930 --> 00:18:33,250researching and how I found the Shanghai

33000:18:31,329 --> 00:18:35,919tunnels is when I'm researching topics

33100:18:33,250 --> 00:18:38,410for this show I try and take it that

33200:18:35,920 --> 00:18:40,060step further okay a lot of people will

33300:18:38,410 --> 00:18:42,279say well let's talk to this group or

33400:18:40,059 --> 00:18:44,289that group or that group I want to know

33500:18:42,279 --> 00:18:47,649the stories the hidden stories behind

33600:18:44,289 --> 00:18:49,480the cities that I maybe aren't really

33700:18:47,650 --> 00:18:51,940well known and so that's how I got to

33800:18:49,480 --> 00:18:53,559know you as you heads kind of stated

33900:18:51,940 --> 00:18:56,049we've chatted off and on and kind of

34000:18:53,559 --> 00:18:59,259built this this paranormal friendship

34100:18:56,049 --> 00:19:01,119online in regards to it so I'm glad you

34200:18:59,259 --> 00:19:04,089brought these ladies together now you


34300:19:01,119 --> 00:19:04,689have been a ghost hunter for quite a

34400:19:04,089 --> 00:19:06,909while

34500:19:04,690 --> 00:19:09,370you have you've been on television

34600:19:06,910 --> 00:19:11,860you've done you've had your own teams

34700:19:09,369 --> 00:19:15,609put together what got you seriously

34800:19:11,859 --> 00:19:18,129involved with the paranormal well a

34900:19:15,609 --> 00:19:20,049number of things um it all really

35000:19:18,130 --> 00:19:22,210started at an older age I was an

35100:19:20,049 --> 00:19:24,460extremely young I was just out of high

35200:19:22,210 --> 00:19:28,509school I was still living with my mom

35300:19:24,460 --> 00:19:32,650and she had this huge paranormal

35400:19:28,509 --> 00:19:35,289experience my mom is Indonesian she's

35500:19:32,650 --> 00:19:38,410she's the kind of lady that she doesn't

35600:19:35,289 --> 00:19:39,849complain very much she doesn't you know


35700:19:38,410 --> 00:19:42,460what I mean she keeps I mean she's

35800:19:39,849 --> 00:19:44,859outgoing but she doesn't you know she

35900:19:42,460 --> 00:19:47,529just she's a protector she protects her

36000:19:44,859 --> 00:19:51,039children and her family she doesn't say

36100:19:47,529 --> 00:19:53,230much you know we had just moved into

36200:19:51,039 --> 00:19:57,339this house and it was actually not an

36300:19:53,230 --> 00:19:59,140old house it was from the 80s and she

36400:19:57,339 --> 00:20:02,500said that when we would lead to school

36500:19:59,140 --> 00:20:06,160or leave the tour would slam shut in her

36600:20:02,500 --> 00:20:09,339bedroom and she would hear these voices

36700:20:06,160 --> 00:20:11,680and it went on for about three months

36800:20:09,339 --> 00:20:14,139and my mom got really tired of it so you

36900:20:11,680 --> 00:20:17,950know we're Catholic family so she went

37000:20:14,140 --> 00:20:20,800to her the father of our church at the

371


00:20:17,950 --> 00:20:23,049time and he had told her while all you

37200:20:20,799 --> 00:20:25,529need to do is pray say in the name of

37300:20:23,049 --> 00:20:28,720Jesus Christ I want you out of my house

37400:20:25,529 --> 00:20:31,089so it happened again we left the door

37500:20:28,720 --> 00:20:34,059closed and my mom started hearing these

37600:20:31,089 --> 00:20:35,019voices and she closed her eyes and she

37700:20:34,059 --> 00:20:36,819said in the name of

37800:20:35,019 --> 00:20:39,549Jesus Christ I want you out of my house

37900:20:36,819 --> 00:20:42,159and all of a sudden she heard screaming

38000:20:39,549 --> 00:20:44,039it was so loud that she said her ears

38100:20:42,160 --> 00:20:46,930felt like they were gonna burst

38200:20:44,039 --> 00:20:49,480she she heard the screaming she said her

38300:20:46,930 --> 00:20:52,600door flew open and she heard little

38400:20:49,480 --> 00:20:56,110voices low to the bed go out one by one

38500:20:52,599 --> 00:20:58,569


and it never happened again so when my

38600:20:56,109 --> 00:21:00,129mom had told me that story years after

38700:20:58,569 --> 00:21:02,679that she actually never told me that

38800:21:00,130 --> 00:21:04,900story until years later and I asked her

38900:21:02,680 --> 00:21:07,840why didn't you tell me I mean how could

39000:21:04,900 --> 00:21:09,880you you know how could this happen you

39100:21:07,839 --> 00:21:13,209never said anything and she said that

39200:21:09,880 --> 00:21:15,220she didn't want to worry us kids but she

39300:21:13,210 --> 00:21:17,799said that you know all you have to do is

39400:21:15,220 --> 00:21:20,279you have to have faith and you have to

39500:21:17,799 --> 00:21:22,419believe in yourself and you know

39600:21:20,279 --> 00:21:26,170everybody has their way of protection

39700:21:22,420 --> 00:21:28,390but that is how she did it and so after

39800:21:26,170 --> 00:21:30,190that after she had told me that I just

39900:21:28,390 --> 00:21:33,210got really really interested in the


40000:21:30,190 --> 00:21:37,000paranormal when I moved to Portland I

40100:21:33,210 --> 00:21:39,130joined a group at the time called

40200:21:37,000 --> 00:21:42,190Charlton paranormal I was an

40300:21:39,130 --> 00:21:43,570investigator for them for a while and I

40400:21:42,190 --> 00:21:46,600was introduced to the Shanghai tunnels

40500:21:43,569 --> 00:21:49,809and being a volunteer and I started

40600:21:46,599 --> 00:21:51,609doing that and then I actually applied

40700:21:49,809 --> 00:21:53,889there have this contest for Ghost

40800:21:51,609 --> 00:21:56,199Hunters it was actually called Ghost

40900:21:53,890 --> 00:21:58,900Hunters Academy if you remember that on

41000:21:56,200 --> 00:22:01,509sci-fi yes and there was a contest my

41100:21:58,900 --> 00:22:04,240friends dared me they said okay you know

41200:22:01,509 --> 00:22:05,529you got a you got a you know you got to

41300:22:04,240 --> 00:22:08,079try for it


41400:22:05,529 --> 00:22:09,579so what we were supposed to do is we

41500:22:08,079 --> 00:22:11,799were supposed to send in a picture and

41600:22:09,579 --> 00:22:14,169say a little bit of something about us

41700:22:11,799 --> 00:22:16,539and so I sent a picture and all I said

41800:22:14,170 --> 00:22:19,720is I'm a dental assistant that ghosty

41900:22:16,539 --> 00:22:23,170hunts is all I suggested and they called

42000:22:19,720 --> 00:22:25,569me and I had to do all these things for

42100:22:23,170 --> 00:22:27,940this producer I didn't get it obviously

42200:22:25,569 --> 00:22:29,649but after that I thought you know what

42300:22:27,940 --> 00:22:33,700I'm gonna you know start up my own

42400:22:29,650 --> 00:22:37,210paranormal group and I did and so I did

42500:22:33,700 --> 00:22:39,160some ghost hunting with that and that

42600:22:37,210 --> 00:22:41,829didn't kind of work out the way I wanted

42700:22:39,160 --> 00:22:45,490it and I kind of gave up on the whole

428


00:22:41,829 --> 00:22:47,740group paranormal thing just with the

42900:22:45,490 --> 00:22:48,970years of being around it I've just seen

43000:22:47,740 --> 00:22:52,960a lot of things I don't lie

43100:22:48,970 --> 00:22:54,700and you know I mean there's no secret

43200:22:52,960 --> 00:22:56,259you probably know too there's a lot of

43300:22:54,700 --> 00:22:59,288groups out there that bicker and fight

43400:22:56,259 --> 00:23:02,429or it's it's very it's a very

43500:22:59,288 --> 00:23:04,990competitive field you know it's very

43600:23:02,429 --> 00:23:07,450either you know somebody doesn't agree

43700:23:04,990 --> 00:23:09,630with you and you're wrong or maybe they

43800:23:07,450 --> 00:23:14,169don't have the same beliefs that you do

43900:23:09,630 --> 00:23:17,409and it causes a lot of you know

44000:23:14,169 --> 00:23:20,470bickering and and it's really sad so I

44100:23:17,409 --> 00:23:22,450kind of said I thought to myself I'm

44200:23:20,470 --> 00:23:24,940


never doing this again I don't want to

44300:23:22,450 --> 00:23:27,909be involved in that and so I quit

44400:23:24,940 --> 00:23:29,798actually being an investigator for quite

44500:23:27,909 --> 00:23:32,409a few years probably about three years

44600:23:29,798 --> 00:23:35,019and I stayed with Shanghai tunnels and

44700:23:32,409 --> 00:23:37,960we have our own investigation team

44800:23:35,019 --> 00:23:40,779called project ghosts so I stayed pretty

44900:23:37,960 --> 00:23:44,919much involved in that and became a tour

45000:23:40,779 --> 00:23:47,589guide and I met Ellen right here next to

45100:23:44,919 --> 00:23:49,900me she was actually a volunteer as well

45200:23:47,589 --> 00:23:51,668and we were talking and kind of talked

45300:23:49,900 --> 00:23:53,798to Michael about it and said hey let's

45400:23:51,669 --> 00:23:57,070let's try this again but let's have a

45500:23:53,798 --> 00:23:59,379different spin to it let's make it more

45600:23:57,069 --> 00:24:01,990about history and learning about the


45700:23:59,380 --> 00:24:05,289history and trying to make a difference

45800:24:01,990 --> 00:24:08,200in saving buildings and being for

45900:24:05,288 --> 00:24:10,509community being a volunteer it's not

46000:24:08,200 --> 00:24:12,460just about ghost hunting or being a

46100:24:10,509 --> 00:24:15,669paranormal investigator I mean that is

46200:24:12,460 --> 00:24:18,038part of it but it's more for history let

46300:24:15,669 --> 00:24:21,759you know you know get the word out there

46400:24:18,038 --> 00:24:23,859and then with Renee I worked with Renee

46500:24:21,759 --> 00:24:26,798out of office for a while we've been

46600:24:23,859 --> 00:24:28,509friends for over a year and you know she

46700:24:26,798 --> 00:24:32,048heard about this and she was like I want

46800:24:28,509 --> 00:24:35,640in I want this and it was just it's a

46900:24:32,048 --> 00:24:38,710perfect group it's there's no BS

47000:24:35,640 --> 00:24:42,340everybody's honest everybody wants the


47100:24:38,710 --> 00:24:44,259same things it's I'm very excited I

47200:24:42,339 --> 00:24:47,139don't think I've been this excited in a

47300:24:44,259 --> 00:24:49,298very long time and we're ready we're

47400:24:47,140 --> 00:24:51,970ready to get out there and do some

47500:24:49,298 --> 00:24:53,918investigating and researching so we're

47600:24:51,970 --> 00:24:56,470pretty excited about it so that's kind

47700:24:53,919 --> 00:24:58,980of my big thing I kind of taught over

47800:24:56,470 --> 00:25:01,808talk but that's I guess that's how it is

47900:24:58,980 --> 00:25:02,480well we can allow that to go because we

48000:25:01,808 --> 00:25:05,450only

48100:25:02,480 --> 00:25:07,759two hours and 40 minutes left ladies so

48200:25:05,450 --> 00:25:10,580we might have a minute or two for you to

48300:25:07,759 --> 00:25:12,200speak one-on-one let's talk about the

48400:25:10,579 --> 00:25:15,259group for a little bit here because

485


00:25:12,200 --> 00:25:17,808Renee as you're the newcomer to the

48600:25:15,259 --> 00:25:19,730paranormal field you know you you shared

48700:25:17,808 --> 00:25:22,359stories with on Alicia you were able to

48800:25:19,730 --> 00:25:25,099hear as you were co-workers some of the

48900:25:22,359 --> 00:25:28,009intriguing and intense stories that she

49000:25:25,099 --> 00:25:30,109had did that kind of light the fire

49100:25:28,009 --> 00:25:31,789underneath you where you're like you

49200:25:30,109 --> 00:25:34,159know what I want to see what's out there

49300:25:31,789 --> 00:25:38,178I need to find more proof of what is

49400:25:34,160 --> 00:25:40,580going on yeah that has a lot to do with

49500:25:38,179 --> 00:25:42,830it I mean she has she has shared with me

49600:25:40,579 --> 00:25:44,178a lot of her experiences and some of

49700:25:42,829 --> 00:25:46,879them are kind of a little frightening

49800:25:44,179 --> 00:25:48,259I'll be honest and I wasn't so into

49900:25:46,880 --> 00:25:51,590


those but that's kind of all part of the

50000:25:48,259 --> 00:25:54,339deal right I think for me personally

50100:25:51,589 --> 00:25:56,990what I was really interested in it was

50200:25:54,339 --> 00:26:00,889again the history and being able to

50300:25:56,990 --> 00:26:03,380share the story of what might be out

50400:26:00,890 --> 00:26:06,290there with the public and to preserve

50500:26:03,380 --> 00:26:07,910that history and tell the story of the

50600:26:06,289 --> 00:26:10,940individuals that might still be hanging

50700:26:07,910 --> 00:26:15,830around with us and in in that also be

50800:26:10,940 --> 00:26:17,808able to hopefully restore some of our

50900:26:15,829 --> 00:26:21,319buildings in Portland and maintain some

51000:26:17,808 --> 00:26:24,558of our historical parks and cemeteries

51100:26:21,319 --> 00:26:28,279and really so the value of what that has

51200:26:24,558 --> 00:26:30,889to offer to people and just not I just

51300:26:28,279 --> 00:26:33,379really want people to remember and to be


51400:26:30,890 --> 00:26:35,390able to know what the city is all about

51500:26:33,380 --> 00:26:36,860as well as you know I think that we're

51600:26:35,390 --> 00:26:41,179also looking at going into some other

51700:26:36,859 --> 00:26:42,558areas and being able to accurately tell

51800:26:41,179 --> 00:26:45,410the stories and the histories of the

51900:26:42,558 --> 00:26:47,329other areas as well so historically

52000:26:45,410 --> 00:26:49,250that's very important to me and also the

52100:26:47,329 --> 00:26:51,769paranormal aspect of it yes I'm very

52200:26:49,250 --> 00:26:54,410curious about it I actually haven't

52300:26:51,769 --> 00:26:56,869really investigated to the extent that

52400:26:54,410 --> 00:26:59,298they have so they have a lot of stuff to

52500:26:56,869 --> 00:27:01,189teach me and I'm a good student so I'm

52600:26:59,298 --> 00:27:03,168looking forward to it well the one thing

52700:27:01,190 --> 00:27:04,910that I think you're very lucky in Renee


52800:27:03,169 --> 00:27:08,929is the fact that you have two

52900:27:04,910 --> 00:27:11,960experienced investigators with you who

53000:27:08,929 --> 00:27:14,540can who can really take you through the

53100:27:11,960 --> 00:27:16,759tutoring and the mentoring in learning

53200:27:14,539 --> 00:27:18,589how to communicate with the spirits in

53300:27:16,759 --> 00:27:20,240the right way because believe it or not

53400:27:18,589 --> 00:27:22,309a lot of people may not understand this

53500:27:20,240 --> 00:27:25,190there is a right way and a wrong way of

53600:27:22,309 --> 00:27:27,529doing this but when you go into the

53700:27:25,190 --> 00:27:30,950field do you still get the jitters do

53800:27:27,529 --> 00:27:32,329you still get the the shivers or the

53900:27:30,950 --> 00:27:34,340shakes because you're a little bit

54000:27:32,329 --> 00:27:39,559nervous of what's going on or you beyond

54100:27:34,339 --> 00:27:41,240that point as a rookie right now I think

542


00:27:39,559 --> 00:27:42,349it would depend on the circumstances be

54300:27:41,240 --> 00:27:43,940honest with you I think there's

54400:27:42,349 --> 00:27:47,179definitely some energies out there that

54500:27:43,940 --> 00:27:50,650give me the shakes I run into those and

54600:27:47,180 --> 00:27:54,259in on more than one occasion in my life

54700:27:50,650 --> 00:27:57,110but overall it's it's not a fear so I'm

54800:27:54,259 --> 00:28:00,650absolutely very curious and I'm looking

54900:27:57,109 --> 00:28:02,359forward to it we've we've talked a lot

55000:28:00,650 --> 00:28:04,730about how we're gonna protect ourselves

55100:28:02,359 --> 00:28:07,159so that's one aspect that we're we're

55200:28:04,730 --> 00:28:09,170really trying to focus on and how to

55300:28:07,160 --> 00:28:10,700protect our own beings and our families

55400:28:09,170 --> 00:28:12,620and our homes so that we're not drawing

55500:28:10,700 --> 00:28:14,509that energy into us that's going to

55600:28:12,619 --> 00:28:18,439


cause any problems for our personal

55700:28:14,509 --> 00:28:20,690lives or our family so yeah I mean

55800:28:18,440 --> 00:28:22,490sometimes I'm a little nervous about

55900:28:20,690 --> 00:28:26,210stuff but overall I'm just really

56000:28:22,490 --> 00:28:27,529excited about it so yeah I guess one of

56100:28:26,210 --> 00:28:29,390the other things I'd like to ask you

56200:28:27,529 --> 00:28:31,700Renee before we move on to Ellen here is

56300:28:29,390 --> 00:28:34,850when you have on Alicia and Ellen with

56400:28:31,700 --> 00:28:38,420you they've been through the trenches in

56500:28:34,849 --> 00:28:40,969regards to the drama and the ego that

56600:28:38,420 --> 00:28:45,110seems to surround this field for god

56700:28:40,970 --> 00:28:47,240knows why and if I could ever figure out

56800:28:45,109 --> 00:28:51,709why people feel they need to be an

56900:28:47,240 --> 00:28:54,799asshole in this field I you know maybe

57000:28:51,710 --> 00:28:57,769I'll retire I just don't know because to


57100:28:54,799 --> 00:28:59,839me it it's the biggest it's the biggest

57200:28:57,769 --> 00:29:02,930crock as to why someone would have an

57300:28:59,839 --> 00:29:04,970attitude regarding this but you're very

57400:29:02,930 --> 00:29:08,180lucky right now because they've already

57500:29:04,970 --> 00:29:10,759had to deal with that and you haven't so

57600:29:08,180 --> 00:29:13,039to be able to learn the what not to do

57700:29:10,759 --> 00:29:15,349is from two people who have been through

57800:29:13,039 --> 00:29:19,240that that's got to be a real thumbs up

57900:29:15,349 --> 00:29:23,480from you and a very kind gift from them

58000:29:19,240 --> 00:29:27,319it is very much so they're they're good

58100:29:23,480 --> 00:29:28,490to me I'm very fortunate I don't have to

58200:29:27,319 --> 00:29:30,740deal with it

58300:29:28,490 --> 00:29:33,019and you know there's apples everywhere

58400:29:30,740 --> 00:29:35,569so what can we say you know it doesn't


58500:29:33,019 --> 00:29:37,460matter what you go into but yeah I'm

58600:29:35,569 --> 00:29:40,700very lucky to have their guidance and

58700:29:37,460 --> 00:29:42,380their experience and um yeah they know

58800:29:40,700 --> 00:29:44,299the fields very well so I'm very

58900:29:42,380 --> 00:29:47,360fortunate looking forward to working

59000:29:44,299 --> 00:29:49,250with these ladies Ellen we bring you

59100:29:47,359 --> 00:29:51,740back in here for a couple of moments

59200:29:49,250 --> 00:29:54,250here okay that's enough we'll move on no

59300:29:51,740 --> 00:29:54,250I'm kidding

59400:29:54,380 --> 00:29:59,030Ellen when you and annalisa decided to

59500:29:57,049 --> 00:30:01,970put this group together how important

59600:29:59,029 --> 00:30:04,129was it and how long did you spend

59700:30:01,970 --> 00:30:17,480talking about putting this group

59800:30:04,130 --> 00:30:19,400together in our courtyard we were having

599


00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:21,799drinks and we were telling all the

60000:30:19,400 --> 00:30:23,450stories about every perv we've worked it

60100:30:21,799 --> 00:30:25,490with in this field and how we just

60200:30:23,450 --> 00:30:29,170wanted to not work with perverts in this

60300:30:25,490 --> 00:30:31,430field and so we came up with the idea

60400:30:29,170 --> 00:30:35,180well that's being blunt that just

60500:30:31,430 --> 00:30:38,269eliminated about about 92% of the men

60600:30:35,180 --> 00:30:40,009and about 6% of the women in the

60700:30:38,269 --> 00:30:42,379paranormal field and and I understand

60800:30:40,009 --> 00:30:44,420that we laugh about that because there

60900:30:42,380 --> 00:30:46,520is and I've talked to other people about

61000:30:44,420 --> 00:30:49,009this there is a hell of a lot of sexism

61100:30:46,519 --> 00:30:51,559when it comes to the paranormal we've

61200:30:49,009 --> 00:30:55,190see it on TV where you know the woman is

61300:30:51,559 --> 00:30:57,289


always the the the psychic or you know

61400:30:55,190 --> 00:30:58,700the one who gets freaked out you know

61500:30:57,289 --> 00:31:00,889what I'm saying it's not a real

61600:30:58,700 --> 00:31:03,110testament to the fact that there are

61700:31:00,890 --> 00:31:07,400some very strong and talented female

61800:31:03,109 --> 00:31:10,099investigators out there Ellen yep yeah

61900:31:07,400 --> 00:31:12,080that's true I worked when I was in my

62000:31:10,099 --> 00:31:15,079late teens I worked with a group and I

62100:31:12,079 --> 00:31:17,419realized very fast it was a it was not a

62200:31:15,079 --> 00:31:19,220authentic group it was let's get a bunch

62300:31:17,420 --> 00:31:20,779of the professors from the college to go

62400:31:19,220 --> 00:31:23,779watch Ellen ghost hunt and walk behind

62500:31:20,779 --> 00:31:25,789her kind of situation and so after that

62600:31:23,779 --> 00:31:27,109I started being more cautious with who I

62700:31:25,789 --> 00:31:28,399went go staying with I've had


62800:31:27,109 --> 00:31:31,099experiences where people are showing up

62900:31:28,400 --> 00:31:35,060drunk ghost hunting that's I don't yeah

63000:31:31,099 --> 00:31:38,119it's so disrespectful or just any any

63100:31:35,059 --> 00:31:40,970length of you know problems we've

63200:31:38,119 --> 00:31:42,259experienced in our time you know you

63300:31:40,970 --> 00:31:43,970just it's kind of

63400:31:42,259 --> 00:31:45,650same concept would you do that at your

63500:31:43,970 --> 00:31:48,350grandma's house no then don't do it in a

63600:31:45,650 --> 00:31:51,050cemetery you know there's just general

63700:31:48,349 --> 00:31:54,529etiquette that gets ignored sometimes in

63800:31:51,049 --> 00:31:56,569this field and and that's a tough part

63900:31:54,529 --> 00:31:59,059of this field as we mentioned the the

64000:31:56,569 --> 00:32:00,259egos and the attitudes that seem to be

64100:31:59,059 --> 00:32:04,429in this field


64200:32:00,259 --> 00:32:06,799it really is unattractive and for me on

64300:32:04,430 --> 00:32:08,830Alicia I'm curious what your opinion is

64400:32:06,799 --> 00:32:12,259on this because for me when I see as

64500:32:08,829 --> 00:32:15,139someone who is in the fringe media doing

64600:32:12,259 --> 00:32:17,930this on a nightly basis I tend to think

64700:32:15,140 --> 00:32:20,810that it's that attitude that ego that

64800:32:17,930 --> 00:32:23,299quest that just doesn't have any answers

64900:32:20,809 --> 00:32:25,639as to why they're investigating is the

65000:32:23,299 --> 00:32:28,339main reason why the mainstream does not

65100:32:25,640 --> 00:32:32,180take the paranormal very seriously what

65200:32:28,339 --> 00:32:34,639are your thoughts my thoughts are what

65300:32:32,180 --> 00:32:37,430you just said you you kind of hit the

65400:32:34,640 --> 00:32:40,880nail on the head but am I saying that

65500:32:37,430 --> 00:32:43,519right in English okay good yeah that's

656


00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:46,850what that's why I quit for so long is I

65700:32:43,519 --> 00:32:49,369was so tired of the ego you know it's

65800:32:46,849 --> 00:32:52,429like you know especially you know

65900:32:49,369 --> 00:32:55,159anybody that's been on TV or there's

66000:32:52,430 --> 00:32:57,080some kind of celebrity so people think

66100:32:55,160 --> 00:32:59,120that just because they're on TV that

66200:32:57,079 --> 00:33:00,710they know everything and I'm not just

66300:32:59,119 --> 00:33:03,739talking about people on TV I'm just

66400:33:00,710 --> 00:33:05,630saying that it's it's if you don't have

66500:33:03,740 --> 00:33:08,299the same beliefs or maybe you use a

66600:33:05,630 --> 00:33:10,790different ghost equipment for an example

66700:33:08,299 --> 00:33:13,430then you're doing it wrong

66800:33:10,789 --> 00:33:16,549or people argue you know this is the orb

66900:33:13,430 --> 00:33:20,259no it's not an orb or and sometimes

67000:33:16,549 --> 00:33:23,839


these fights get so extremely bad where

67100:33:20,259 --> 00:33:27,410people are hurt I mean I'm an example of

67200:33:23,839 --> 00:33:30,289that I got very hurt and people these

67300:33:27,410 --> 00:33:31,700are lives people get hurt and just

67400:33:30,289 --> 00:33:33,289because you don't have the same beliefs

67500:33:31,700 --> 00:33:37,250or maybe use the different ghost

67600:33:33,289 --> 00:33:39,159equipment or maybe you don't go hunt the

67700:33:37,250 --> 00:33:42,019way that somebody else goes hunts or

67800:33:39,160 --> 00:33:43,970people don't even like I don't seriously

67900:33:42,019 --> 00:33:46,789like the word ghost hunter actually I

68000:33:43,970 --> 00:33:49,309don't even like that word even you know

68100:33:46,789 --> 00:33:53,149paranormal investigator maybe but you

68200:33:49,309 --> 00:33:55,339know I I just think that everybody has

68300:33:53,150 --> 00:33:55,940their own opinions and for some reason

68400:33:55,339 --> 00:33:58,278in the Peron


68500:33:55,940 --> 00:34:00,620normal world you know in these groups or

68600:33:58,278 --> 00:34:02,599maybe somebody's that would say you know

68700:34:00,619 --> 00:34:04,579I've been an investigator for this many

68800:34:02,599 --> 00:34:08,989years so I know it all because they've

68900:34:04,579 --> 00:34:10,969had 35 years experience I know a lot of

69000:34:08,989 --> 00:34:13,158people they're just now investigating

69100:34:10,969 --> 00:34:17,358that have a pretty good head on their

69200:34:13,159 --> 00:34:19,010shoulders that just started out and just

69300:34:17,358 --> 00:34:19,639because maybe they want to try something

69400:34:19,010 --> 00:34:21,859new

69500:34:19,639 --> 00:34:24,889you know maybe they maybe what they want

69600:34:21,858 --> 00:34:27,769to try that's new maybe a big maybe that

69700:34:24,889 --> 00:34:29,869will be the biggest you know maybe you

69800:34:27,769 --> 00:34:32,148will be able to get or see something


69900:34:29,869 --> 00:34:34,460paranormal or you know that's how we

70000:34:32,148 --> 00:34:36,588learn that's how we evolve I mean

70100:34:34,460 --> 00:34:40,159everything's on apps now everything's on

70200:34:36,588 --> 00:34:42,529the phone now things change and you

70300:34:40,159 --> 00:34:46,730can't be afraid of change and can't be

70400:34:42,530 --> 00:34:48,740afraid to try different things and who

70500:34:46,730 --> 00:34:51,800is to judge what's right or wrong

70600:34:48,739 --> 00:34:53,719anymore that's what my question is I'm

70700:34:51,800 --> 00:34:58,579gonna quickly mention on Alicia that

70800:34:53,719 --> 00:35:02,539Shana Valencia is going oh my god I love

70900:34:58,579 --> 00:35:04,280her she's so she's in right now so I

71000:35:02,539 --> 00:35:08,509just had to get that out thank you so

71100:35:04,280 --> 00:35:10,750much he's pretty incredible she's

71200:35:08,510 --> 00:35:14,450actually been at the Shanghai tunnels

713


00:35:10,750 --> 00:35:17,300she actually lives in Washington she's

71400:35:14,449 --> 00:35:19,848pretty amazing yeah she's very amazing

71500:35:17,300 --> 00:35:21,530person excellent excellent we will

71600:35:19,849 --> 00:35:23,599continue it and later on in the show I

71700:35:21,530 --> 00:35:25,190do want to let people know later on in

71800:35:23,599 --> 00:35:31,220the show we're gonna do something very

71900:35:25,190 --> 00:35:34,068rare here very very rare extremely rare

72000:35:31,219 --> 00:35:35,598like Halley's Comet comes around more

72100:35:34,068 --> 00:35:36,800often than when we do this we're

72200:35:35,599 --> 00:35:39,680actually gonna open up the phone lines

72300:35:36,800 --> 00:35:41,780later if you want to talk paranormal

72400:35:39,679 --> 00:35:43,250with these ladies we're gonna open up

72500:35:41,780 --> 00:35:45,050the phone lines later so you have to

72600:35:43,250 --> 00:35:49,329stay tuned I'll hand out the number at

72700:35:45,050 --> 00:36:00,680


that point so it'll be exciting yeah

72800:35:49,329 --> 00:36:03,140don't beg here man okay well you know

72900:36:00,679 --> 00:36:04,789we'll get a few people to call Joe stop

73000:36:03,139 --> 00:36:07,129combing your hair it's time to pick up

73100:36:04,789 --> 00:36:08,519the phone and call these ladies here in

73200:36:07,130 --> 00:36:11,430a little bit

73300:36:08,519 --> 00:36:13,199so we'll get to it I want to get into

73400:36:11,429 --> 00:36:15,118the whole respect thing for a little bit

73500:36:13,199 --> 00:36:19,429here because I think this is important

73600:36:15,119 --> 00:36:23,460to get into are you strictly a female

73700:36:19,429 --> 00:36:25,889investigative team because you just feel

73800:36:23,460 --> 00:36:30,929that there isn't enough female teams out

73900:36:25,889 --> 00:36:33,829there Ilyn well we sort of have a secret

74000:36:30,929 --> 00:36:37,049fourth member we call him the captain

74100:36:33,829 --> 00:36:41,969it's actually my guy he's more of our


74200:36:37,050 --> 00:36:43,680web PR management the captain he just

74300:36:41,969 --> 00:36:45,449kind of manages things for us he's

74400:36:43,679 --> 00:36:47,429behind the scenes but if he were ever

74500:36:45,449 --> 00:36:49,379not in school or working full-time he

74600:36:47,429 --> 00:36:51,989would go on a ghost hunt with us but I

74700:36:49,380 --> 00:36:54,900think in general I mean it's not all

74800:36:51,989 --> 00:36:57,569female because we're feminazis or

74900:36:54,900 --> 00:37:00,960anything it just happened that way I

75000:36:57,570 --> 00:37:04,170think well and also not to butt in but

75100:37:00,960 --> 00:37:06,119also it's kind of funny where we met at

75200:37:04,170 --> 00:37:08,309Shanghai tunnels well most of us

75300:37:06,119 --> 00:37:11,130volunteers there's a couple of men but

75400:37:08,309 --> 00:37:13,769most of us are women it's ironic how

75500:37:11,130 --> 00:37:15,930many women are volunteers with the


75600:37:13,769 --> 00:37:20,699Shanghai tunnels a lot of the guys don't

75700:37:15,929 --> 00:37:22,799laugh and so for some reason as women

75800:37:20,699 --> 00:37:25,829end up staying there's only a couple men

75900:37:22,800 --> 00:37:27,900that are volunteers but most of us are

76000:37:25,829 --> 00:37:30,059women and it just kind of ended up like

76100:37:27,900 --> 00:37:32,369that yeah if there was a guy that was

76200:37:30,059 --> 00:37:34,409with us probably at the time he probably

76300:37:32,369 --> 00:37:37,380wouldn't be with us but we wanted to

76400:37:34,409 --> 00:37:40,349kind of be really picky on who we wanted

76500:37:37,380 --> 00:37:43,500you know we wanted it's hard to get a

76600:37:40,349 --> 00:37:45,929group that has the same beliefs and want

76700:37:43,500 --> 00:37:49,559the same things and also about history

76800:37:45,929 --> 00:37:51,809because that is number one done I would

76900:37:49,559 --> 00:37:54,059love it if you guys or your ladies

770


00:37:51,809 --> 00:37:55,559pardon me actually took the time to get

77100:37:54,059 --> 00:37:58,349to know the team of chronicles of the

77200:37:55,559 --> 00:38:01,230unknown they are actually doing the

77300:37:58,349 --> 00:38:04,589exact same thing up here in British

77400:38:01,230 --> 00:38:06,630Columbia on the British Columbia side of

77500:38:04,590 --> 00:38:08,460the gold rush trail that started in

77600:38:06,630 --> 00:38:11,070California went through Nevada Oregon

77700:38:08,460 --> 00:38:13,139Washington straight through BC and up to

77800:38:11,070 --> 00:38:15,960the Klondike they are doing the exact

77900:38:13,139 --> 00:38:19,440same thing you guys are in order to tell

78000:38:15,960 --> 00:38:21,349a story of the history of the Gold Rush

78100:38:19,440 --> 00:38:23,690trail and we're going

78200:38:21,349 --> 00:38:25,338get more into that a little bit later on

78300:38:23,690 --> 00:38:28,639because we have so much to talk about

78400:38:25,338 --> 00:38:30,889


right now in regards to how this team

78500:38:28,639 --> 00:38:33,379came together you mentioned that it came

78600:38:30,889 --> 00:38:36,798together extremely quickly Ellen and

78700:38:33,380 --> 00:38:38,720Rene I'm gonna go over to you here when

78800:38:36,798 --> 00:38:40,248the ladies came up and asked you hey do

78900:38:38,719 --> 00:38:42,649you want to join up we think you'd make

79000:38:40,248 --> 00:38:44,149a great teammate how did that go how did

79100:38:42,650 --> 00:38:47,298the process of you getting involved with

79200:38:44,150 --> 00:38:54,079this happened well lastly I didn't get

79300:38:47,298 --> 00:38:57,318out I'm not really one of those types of

79400:38:54,079 --> 00:39:00,229people that are like want to be involved

79500:38:57,318 --> 00:39:02,778with a group and it's not like me to

79600:39:00,228 --> 00:39:06,348come out of my cell and ask to be a

79700:39:02,778 --> 00:39:09,920participant in something and ani was

79800:39:06,349 --> 00:39:12,440telling me about the group and I I don't


79900:39:09,920 --> 00:39:14,630know what it was but there was something

80000:39:12,440 --> 00:39:18,200about it that just spoke to me and I was

80100:39:14,630 --> 00:39:21,499like I literally said I want in and that

80200:39:18,199 --> 00:39:23,719is so uncharacteristic for me so again

80300:39:21,498 --> 00:39:26,478they didn't ask me I butted in but they

80400:39:23,719 --> 00:39:28,659accepted me so I guess I'm here for a

80500:39:26,478 --> 00:39:31,009little while anyway

80600:39:28,659 --> 00:39:33,139well I mean hey if you got to tag along

80700:39:31,009 --> 00:39:36,699with some people you might as well let's

80800:39:33,139 --> 00:39:39,920have some fun with it you know

80900:39:36,699 --> 00:39:41,210absolutely absolutely so on Alisha I'm

81000:39:39,920 --> 00:39:41,599gonna bring you back in here for a

81100:39:41,210 --> 00:39:44,059moment

81200:39:41,599 --> 00:39:46,579how did Haunted sleepovers get come


81300:39:44,059 --> 00:39:48,349together I know how you guys kind of

81400:39:46,579 --> 00:39:52,670decided to do it but explain what

81500:39:48,349 --> 00:39:55,670Haunted sleepovers actually is okay well

81600:39:52,670 --> 00:39:57,588you know we got it was like I said it

81700:39:55,670 --> 00:39:59,479was Ellen and I you know being

81800:39:57,588 --> 00:40:02,028volunteers with Shanghai tunnels talking

81900:39:59,478 --> 00:40:04,518to Michael P Jones he is the founder of

82000:40:02,028 --> 00:40:06,170the Shanghai tunnels we were kind of you

82100:40:04,518 --> 00:40:08,298know actually Ellen and I were kind of

82200:40:06,170 --> 00:40:09,769joking about it we were like you know we

82300:40:08,298 --> 00:40:12,228were talking about the history talking

82400:40:09,768 --> 00:40:14,929about you know wouldn't that be cool to

82500:40:12,228 --> 00:40:17,108have a group again and have a different

82600:40:14,929 --> 00:40:20,868spin on it you know we're both history

827


00:40:17,108 --> 00:40:23,509Ellen is a schoolteacher you know she

82800:40:20,869 --> 00:40:26,930teaches and you know big history girl

82900:40:23,509 --> 00:40:29,719also has her degree in journalism so she

83000:40:26,929 --> 00:40:32,778loves research she loves you know

83100:40:29,719 --> 00:40:34,880history as well as I do you know I do

83200:40:32,778 --> 00:40:36,679and we

83300:40:34,880 --> 00:40:38,960we're just joking around even talking

83400:40:36,679 --> 00:40:41,778about our logo it's like you know we

83500:40:38,960 --> 00:40:43,699wanted you'll see our logo soon it's in

83600:40:41,778 --> 00:40:47,929the process of being trademarked right

83700:40:43,699 --> 00:40:50,239now but it's basically kind of a face

83800:40:47,929 --> 00:40:52,399with a top hat because Michael P Jones

83900:40:50,239 --> 00:40:56,959wears this top hat socially on Halloween

84000:40:52,400 --> 00:40:59,329and we and were inspired by you know the

84100:40:56,960 --> 00:41:02,088


ships and shanghaiing so we got the rope

84200:40:59,329 --> 00:41:05,329you know for the Haunted sleepovers logo

84300:41:02,088 --> 00:41:07,130and we we already had this image and

84400:41:05,329 --> 00:41:09,528actually it was Ellen that came up with

84500:41:07,130 --> 00:41:12,108the name haunted sleepovers because our

84600:41:09,528 --> 00:41:15,768intent is we wanted to go to different

84700:41:12,108 --> 00:41:18,288hotels really old hotels we talked about

84800:41:15,768 --> 00:41:19,729that in our tours and we're like well we

84900:41:18,289 --> 00:41:23,630need to start staying at these old

85000:41:19,730 --> 00:41:25,608hotels and you know find out the history

85100:41:23,630 --> 00:41:29,778we actually are going to be having

85200:41:25,608 --> 00:41:34,098coffee which is very rare with an owner

85300:41:29,778 --> 00:41:35,960of one of these old owned hotels I will

85400:41:34,099 --> 00:41:40,160mention it later but I can't do that

85500:41:35,960 --> 00:41:44,298right now and she's very hard to talk to


85600:41:40,159 --> 00:41:46,429but we got a interview with her and I

85700:41:44,298 --> 00:41:49,009know I'll get my way because that's how

85800:41:46,429 --> 00:41:52,179I am I'm a fighter I'm a talker

85900:41:49,009 --> 00:41:54,409and I know she'll let us stay there but

86000:41:52,179 --> 00:41:57,259that's kind of what we wanted to do we

86100:41:54,409 --> 00:41:59,929wanted to go to old cabins old places

86200:41:57,259 --> 00:42:03,259you know I grew up in Idaho my dad is

86300:41:59,929 --> 00:42:05,598actually Allen trees he's a he is a gold

86400:42:03,259 --> 00:42:07,849mining equipment inventor he's on

86500:42:05,599 --> 00:42:11,450outdoors Channel quite a bit he's always

86600:42:07,849 --> 00:42:13,568filming with them and has 85 acres in

86700:42:11,449 --> 00:42:17,358Idaho with old ghost town

86800:42:13,568 --> 00:42:18,858cemeteries Chinese cemeteries etc so we

86900:42:17,358 --> 00:42:22,880kind of want to go to these old places


87000:42:18,858 --> 00:42:25,190and spend the night and research and so

87100:42:22,880 --> 00:42:27,108Ellen and I were you know that's kind of

87200:42:25,190 --> 00:42:29,358how it got started we we just wanted

87300:42:27,108 --> 00:42:32,298something different but more not just

87400:42:29,358 --> 00:42:33,949about paranormal and ghost hunting as

87500:42:32,298 --> 00:42:37,900you guys call it I don't like to really

87600:42:33,949 --> 00:42:40,368call it ghost hunting but you know to

87700:42:37,900 --> 00:42:42,440investigating you know we could still be

87800:42:40,369 --> 00:42:46,400a paranormal investigator still use our

87900:42:42,440 --> 00:42:48,590tools and try to get EVPs but it's also

88000:42:46,400 --> 00:42:51,170learning about the history and maybe

88100:42:48,590 --> 00:42:53,900why they're still with us what can we do

88200:42:51,170 --> 00:42:55,880to help these people and also to talk

88300:42:53,900 --> 00:42:59,990about it and you know raise awareness

884


00:42:55,880 --> 00:43:02,090and you know keep you know so many of

88500:42:59,989 --> 00:43:02,839these buildings and history is being

88600:43:02,090 --> 00:43:06,559lost

88700:43:02,840 --> 00:43:09,019that's what's so sad so we you know

88800:43:06,559 --> 00:43:10,940Ellen and I were just talking about you

88900:43:09,019 --> 00:43:12,650know it's just sad that the history even

89000:43:10,940 --> 00:43:15,500the Shanghai tunnels I mean the tunnels

89100:43:12,650 --> 00:43:17,480are disappearing so that's kind of

89200:43:15,500 --> 00:43:19,340important for us so it just that's kind

89300:43:17,480 --> 00:43:21,740of how it involved and we're just very

89400:43:19,340 --> 00:43:23,300excited we have a lot of ideas we're

89500:43:21,739 --> 00:43:26,119talking to a lot of people we have

89600:43:23,300 --> 00:43:28,490networks already looking at us

89700:43:26,119 --> 00:43:30,589we're very and when I think networks

89800:43:28,489 --> 00:43:32,989


looking at us I'm talking about you know

89900:43:30,590 --> 00:43:34,940like I said it's for history

90000:43:32,989 --> 00:43:37,779so anything that can spread the word

90100:43:34,940 --> 00:43:41,840about history I will I will go for that

90200:43:37,780 --> 00:43:44,360so kind of that's where we're at right

90300:43:41,840 --> 00:43:46,160now where we just we've got a lot of

90400:43:44,360 --> 00:43:48,769things lined up we're really excited

90500:43:46,159 --> 00:43:51,829about so we're ready just to dive in I'm

90600:43:48,769 --> 00:43:55,159ready to go for it and I'm loving the

90700:43:51,829 --> 00:43:58,429history of it and saving buildings and

90800:43:55,159 --> 00:44:01,969raising awareness and I'm very excited

90900:43:58,429 --> 00:44:04,909about this whole thing that's excellent

91000:44:01,969 --> 00:44:07,329and you know I think it's the way you

91100:44:04,909 --> 00:44:10,579plan on telling the history with the

91200:44:07,329 --> 00:44:13,279communication you're not about sending


91300:44:10,579 --> 00:44:14,949spirits away you're not about going with

91400:44:13,280 --> 00:44:17,510clients are you

91500:44:14,949 --> 00:44:19,219like if somebody all of a sudden invests

91600:44:17,510 --> 00:44:21,200asked hey I would like you to come

91700:44:19,219 --> 00:44:23,089investigate my house is that kind of

91800:44:21,199 --> 00:44:25,129what you're focusing on or are you more

91900:44:23,090 --> 00:44:30,680about telling history in the story right

92000:44:25,130 --> 00:44:31,820now Ellen I think in certain

92100:44:30,679 --> 00:44:35,419circumstances

92200:44:31,820 --> 00:44:38,539I have cleanse spaces before I have

92300:44:35,420 --> 00:44:41,150helped people who have had situations as

92400:44:38,539 --> 00:44:44,750a business that I did for a long time

92500:44:41,150 --> 00:44:46,369before I found a teaching job I did it

92600:44:44,750 --> 00:44:48,500in college I was a tarot reader in


92700:44:46,369 --> 00:44:50,630college for money I have gotten rid of

92800:44:48,500 --> 00:44:54,230things for people I don't necessarily

92900:44:50,630 --> 00:44:56,300think it's necessary all the time

93000:44:54,230 --> 00:44:57,949some can come and go people who are

93100:44:56,300 --> 00:45:01,880constantly like send them to the light

93200:44:57,949 --> 00:45:04,909it's just a little redundant

93300:45:01,880 --> 00:45:06,260I think we're more focused on history

93400:45:04,909 --> 00:45:09,559but we aren't opposed to helping

93500:45:06,260 --> 00:45:11,930somebody in that manner well everybody

93600:45:09,559 --> 00:45:13,670has to have their niche you know and

93700:45:11,929 --> 00:45:15,619there's a lot of groups out there that

93800:45:13,670 --> 00:45:18,139focus on residential there's a lot of

93900:45:15,619 --> 00:45:20,059people who focus on just the paranormal

94000:45:18,139 --> 00:45:22,849tourism there's other people who go to

941


00:45:20,059 --> 00:45:24,650the graveyards and try and you know just

94200:45:22,849 --> 00:45:26,539play with spirits in other words as I've

94300:45:24,650 --> 00:45:28,160said on a lot of times on this show and

94400:45:26,539 --> 00:45:31,070many people laugh about it when I say

94500:45:28,159 --> 00:45:33,469this but there's a lot of pokemons go

94600:45:31,070 --> 00:45:36,800going on in the ghost field right now

94700:45:33,469 --> 00:45:40,159and I don't agree with that type of

94800:45:36,800 --> 00:45:42,440investigation that's just me but if you

94900:45:40,159 --> 00:45:45,559have an angle where you're trying to

95000:45:42,440 --> 00:45:49,000help tell a story like you ladies are

95100:45:45,559 --> 00:45:51,650Renee I think that's important because

95200:45:49,000 --> 00:45:54,469we're losing a lot of history due to

95300:45:51,650 --> 00:45:57,920technology we're losing a lot of history

95400:45:54,469 --> 00:46:00,799due to society being a 24-hour Society

95500:45:57,920 --> 00:46:02,809


and what I see you ladies doing and

95600:46:00,800 --> 00:46:05,570please confirm it for me is trying to

95700:46:02,809 --> 00:46:09,019relive that history through the spirits

95800:46:05,570 --> 00:46:11,350who tell you their story absolutely

95900:46:09,019 --> 00:46:15,440that's exactly what we're trying to do

96000:46:11,349 --> 00:46:16,819by you know being able to do that making

96100:46:15,440 --> 00:46:21,139contact

96200:46:16,820 --> 00:46:23,059I guess that's appropriately BAE we

96300:46:21,139 --> 00:46:28,400would be able to then share with our

96400:46:23,059 --> 00:46:31,190audience the experiences that that that

96500:46:28,400 --> 00:46:33,980individual may have had and how it

96600:46:31,190 --> 00:46:36,829played out in history and the how

96700:46:33,980 --> 00:46:40,670relevant that is in in saving our

96800:46:36,829 --> 00:46:42,920buildings like I said our parks are our

96900:46:40,670 --> 00:46:45,800cemeteries and and just kind of


97000:46:42,920 --> 00:46:50,030maintaining that history and being able

97100:46:45,800 --> 00:46:53,150to share that with people so yeah I mean

97200:46:50,030 --> 00:46:56,510I think it's absolutely very important

97300:46:53,150 --> 00:46:59,750aspect of this group I say almost number

97400:46:56,510 --> 00:47:03,140one part of this group the paranormal

97500:46:59,750 --> 00:47:05,900aspect of it is intertwined with that

97600:47:03,139 --> 00:47:09,079but we're really really all focused on

97700:47:05,900 --> 00:47:11,360on being able to preserve and share with

97800:47:09,079 --> 00:47:15,558with the public the history of all these

97900:47:11,360 --> 00:47:19,579amazing places before we lose this too

98000:47:15,559 --> 00:47:22,249growth and um you know just like he said

98100:47:19,579 --> 00:47:25,160on the internet and just people being

98200:47:22,248 --> 00:47:28,188able to get information quickly and it's

98300:47:25,159 --> 00:47:30,608not really false information twos as ani


98400:47:28,188 --> 00:47:34,429said but you know we're just losing that

98500:47:30,608 --> 00:47:36,348element of what we learned from our

98600:47:34,429 --> 00:47:39,798grandparents and our great-grandparents

98700:47:36,349 --> 00:47:41,838and how our areas were settled and that

98800:47:39,798 --> 00:47:43,188part of our history and I think that's

98900:47:41,838 --> 00:47:45,768really important for all of us to be

99000:47:43,188 --> 00:47:48,399able to present that to people and again

99100:47:45,768 --> 00:47:51,379raise awareness as far as that goes I

99200:47:48,400 --> 00:47:54,048think that's great because the awareness

99300:47:51,380 --> 00:47:57,259is what people need the awareness renee

99400:47:54,048 --> 00:47:59,538is what people need to start focusing on

99500:47:57,259 --> 00:48:01,818because once they're gone they're gone

99600:47:59,539 --> 00:48:03,979whether it's an old tavern whether it's

99700:48:01,818 --> 00:48:06,920an old hotel and eventually

998


00:48:03,978 --> 00:48:09,558unfortunately in the future the tunnels

99900:48:06,920 --> 00:48:11,719will likely collapse you know that's

100000:48:09,559 --> 00:48:15,140just mother nature and when it's gone

100100:48:11,719 --> 00:48:18,979it's gone so how are you Renee as a

100200:48:15,139 --> 00:48:33,768group documenting what you are doing in

100300:48:18,978 --> 00:48:36,438your ghost hunts you might learn we

100400:48:33,768 --> 00:48:38,568document we're you know I'm taking over

100500:48:36,438 --> 00:48:41,389this one because remember Renee hasn't

100600:48:38,568 --> 00:48:46,849had a lot of paranormal experience as

100700:48:41,389 --> 00:48:49,578far as investigating so we if you ask us

100800:48:46,849 --> 00:48:52,309how we're documenting we are we actually

100900:48:49,579 --> 00:48:55,160just got done staying at a hotel the Y

101000:48:52,309 --> 00:48:57,589Eagle not too long ago and what we do is

101100:48:55,159 --> 00:49:01,129we create reports which most

101200:48:57,588 --> 00:49:03,438


investigators do but what we kind of

101300:49:01,130 --> 00:49:07,729like to do is sometimes we don't like to

101400:49:03,438 --> 00:49:09,708do a lot of research before we we do

101500:49:07,728 --> 00:49:13,159some of the research before but we kind

101600:49:09,708 --> 00:49:16,759of like to do the investigating document

101700:49:13,159 --> 00:49:18,708and then learn it after you know how

101800:49:16,759 --> 00:49:20,358when you learn too much of the history

101900:49:18,708 --> 00:49:22,578before and then you go into a place and

102000:49:20,358 --> 00:49:25,369then you start investigating it it

102100:49:22,579 --> 00:49:29,269creates stuff in your mind to be

102200:49:25,369 --> 00:49:31,610expected meaning like let's say somebody

102300:49:29,269 --> 00:49:33,409had died in the room and they have the

102400:49:31,610 --> 00:49:35,329history of doing this well and you're

102500:49:33,409 --> 00:49:37,339staying in that room you're already

102600:49:35,329 --> 00:49:39,500thinking about maybe this could happen


102700:49:37,340 --> 00:49:42,920to you and so every little thing you

102800:49:39,500 --> 00:49:46,159might relate it to that situation but if

102900:49:42,920 --> 00:49:50,000you invest in if you if you real if you

103000:49:46,159 --> 00:49:52,368research scuse me a little bit after

103100:49:50,000 --> 00:49:54,170you've already documented what had

103200:49:52,369 --> 00:49:56,869happened to you then you can compare

103300:49:54,170 --> 00:49:59,960your notes that's kind of the way we've

103400:49:56,869 --> 00:50:02,240been doing it I kind of like that I just

103500:49:59,960 --> 00:50:04,429think that when people find out too much

103600:50:02,239 --> 00:50:08,118or like you said those tourist places

103700:50:04,429 --> 00:50:10,730you know very famous haunted you know in

103800:50:08,119 --> 00:50:11,720silent hospital you know they have this

103900:50:10,730 --> 00:50:14,449happen this happen

104000:50:11,719 --> 00:50:17,480so you're expecting that to happen when


104100:50:14,449 --> 00:50:20,960you go and investigate sometimes I think

104200:50:17,480 --> 00:50:24,889that if you research it maybe after you

104300:50:20,960 --> 00:50:26,809know take your notes do whatever then it

104400:50:24,889 --> 00:50:28,670kind of makes I don't know I just think

104500:50:26,809 --> 00:50:31,579it makes it more legit it makes it more

104600:50:28,670 --> 00:50:33,889real because you know the mind is a

104700:50:31,579 --> 00:50:34,909funny thing you can create a lot of

104800:50:33,889 --> 00:50:38,029things in your mind

104900:50:34,909 --> 00:50:39,710you know our everything is paranormal

105000:50:38,030 --> 00:50:41,840this oh this happened this must be

105100:50:39,710 --> 00:50:44,900because of this because they died in

105200:50:41,840 --> 00:50:48,920this room if that makes more sense to

105300:50:44,900 --> 00:50:56,590you it does make sense to me I was able

105400:50:48,920 --> 00:51:00,440to calculate that one quickly quickly I

1055


00:50:56,590 --> 00:51:02,600have to tell you on Alicia it's because

105600:51:00,440 --> 00:51:06,170of the socks I'm wearing that I'm dialed

105700:51:02,599 --> 00:51:07,969in now for those of you who haven't seen

105800:51:06,170 --> 00:51:11,200I have posted the picture in the SOR

105900:51:07,969 --> 00:51:15,349space travelers I got a pair of socks on

106000:51:11,199 --> 00:51:18,289that are sharks on Alicia for about a

106100:51:15,349 --> 00:51:20,868year has been torturing me on Facebook

106200:51:18,289 --> 00:51:23,599knowing that I have a fear of sharks so

106300:51:20,869 --> 00:51:27,050every shark video and picture that she

106400:51:23,599 --> 00:51:29,929can find online she goes at she posted

106500:51:27,050 --> 00:51:32,539Dave Scott careful around this guy or

106600:51:29,929 --> 00:51:34,519something along those lines so tonight I

106700:51:32,539 --> 00:51:39,409got the game on because I got the shark

106800:51:34,519 --> 00:51:41,480socks on shark socks it's all good guess

106900:51:39,409 --> 00:51:43,159


what there was just like Renee had said

107000:51:41,480 --> 00:51:48,639there was actually a shark attack

107100:51:43,159 --> 00:51:51,319in Cannon Beach in our Oregon Coast and

107200:51:48,639 --> 00:51:53,359yeah it was a shark attack and I it was

107300:51:51,320 --> 00:51:56,900so I was almost going to send that to

107400:51:53,360 --> 00:51:59,120you or remember I was like a Love Boat

107500:51:56,900 --> 00:52:02,450you know like the boat is sinking you

107600:51:59,119 --> 00:52:04,670know or that Cruiser ship Love Boat

107700:52:02,449 --> 00:52:06,619remember that they were singing that and

107800:52:04,670 --> 00:52:12,139it was kind of sweet and I was like

107900:52:06,619 --> 00:52:15,049let's go on a cruise Dave Scott yeah no

108000:52:12,139 --> 00:52:16,519Dave doesn't do the water doesn't do the

108100:52:15,050 --> 00:52:18,530water at all

108200:52:16,519 --> 00:52:21,170you know because crap like that happens

108300:52:18,530 --> 00:52:23,780it happens I've seen jaws take down


108400:52:21,170 --> 00:52:26,210helicopters and and all sorts of boats

108500:52:23,780 --> 00:52:28,850you know there's no way a cruise ship is

108600:52:26,210 --> 00:52:31,340safe you know and now that Megalodon may

108700:52:28,849 --> 00:52:34,819be out there and taking you down in one

108800:52:31,340 --> 00:52:38,750giant bite you know we're not going

108900:52:34,820 --> 00:52:41,180there you know and here it comes

109000:52:38,750 --> 00:52:43,489I do have to say this thank you Joe

109100:52:41,179 --> 00:52:46,969Allgaier have you told her about the

109200:52:43,489 --> 00:52:49,789garden gnomes I hate the garden gnomes

109300:52:46,969 --> 00:52:53,089so now the whole chat rooms are going to

109400:52:49,789 --> 00:52:56,000start flaring off on their topics about

109500:52:53,090 --> 00:52:57,920how I have a fear of clowns and garden

109600:52:56,000 --> 00:53:00,380gnomes I know what's gonna come out

109700:52:57,920 --> 00:53:02,289thanks Joe I appreciate it I hope you


109800:53:00,380 --> 00:53:05,390get knots and split ends in your hair

109900:53:02,289 --> 00:53:06,619you know that's just the way it is you

110000:53:05,389 --> 00:53:09,469know because here it comes

110100:53:06,619 --> 00:53:11,389I can just feel it and see it and I'm

110200:53:09,469 --> 00:53:14,539not happy about this now because they do

110300:53:11,389 --> 00:53:18,889this to me every single night this crew

110400:53:14,539 --> 00:53:20,869who follows us in the chat rooms garden

110500:53:18,889 --> 00:53:23,449gnomes well you know what I didn't know

110600:53:20,869 --> 00:53:28,429I forgot about the gnome that's very

110700:53:23,449 --> 00:53:30,799interesting they're silent and they just

110800:53:28,429 --> 00:53:32,599kind of like they're there I'll tell you

110900:53:30,800 --> 00:53:35,960that I'll tell you the story about what

111000:53:32,599 --> 00:53:37,789happened ladies and I've mentioned this

111100:53:35,960 --> 00:53:39,230a couple times recently but I'll fill

1112


00:53:37,789 --> 00:53:43,369you in because I know we have some new

111300:53:39,230 --> 00:53:45,829listeners tonight a few years ago when I

111400:53:43,369 --> 00:53:48,230was when I was living the dream being

111500:53:45,829 --> 00:53:52,130you know playing the role of single dad

111600:53:48,230 --> 00:53:56,300and I rented a basement suite which was

111700:53:52,130 --> 00:53:57,680near near my daughter's school and

111800:53:56,300 --> 00:54:00,200there was just sometimes some weird

111900:53:57,679 --> 00:54:02,929stuff happened there so my daughter who

112000:54:00,199 --> 00:54:07,219has been very very intuitive since about

112100:54:02,929 --> 00:54:10,63918 19 months old she and she actually

112200:54:07,219 --> 00:54:12,709told me one she goes dad I need to tell

112300:54:10,639 --> 00:54:18,139you something and I'm like what she goes

112400:54:12,710 --> 00:54:21,619I don't like the garden gnomes in your

112500:54:18,139 --> 00:54:25,309landlord's garden and I said why I and

112600:54:21,619 --> 00:54:27,679


she swears and I believe her I totally

112700:54:25,309 --> 00:54:28,730believe her she said dad sometimes in

112800:54:27,679 --> 00:54:30,349the middle of the night you know when

112900:54:28,730 --> 00:54:32,269I've crawled in with you and to bed and

113000:54:30,349 --> 00:54:35,049I'm like yeah she goes that's because

113100:54:32,269 --> 00:54:38,059I'm scared because the garden gnomes or

113200:54:35,050 --> 00:54:41,420she would literally hear tapping on her

113300:54:38,059 --> 00:54:43,309window until she woke up and then

113400:54:41,420 --> 00:54:45,650sometimes because there was a street

113500:54:43,309 --> 00:54:47,299lamp nearby it which which kind of

113600:54:45,650 --> 00:54:48,740shined through her light and you know

113700:54:47,300 --> 00:54:51,200you get the shadows that walked by the

113800:54:48,739 --> 00:54:55,000blinds and she would see the image of a

113900:54:51,199 --> 00:54:58,969garden gnome walking by the window and

114000:54:55,000 --> 00:55:03,349ever since then it has literally scared


114100:54:58,969 --> 00:55:04,339the living crap out of me oh that's

114200:55:03,349 --> 00:55:07,699scary

114300:55:04,340 --> 00:55:10,450yeah so then little ceramic bastards

114400:55:07,699 --> 00:55:14,359they come to life man they come to life

114500:55:10,449 --> 00:55:18,230not into that not into the garden gnomes

114600:55:14,360 --> 00:55:20,570at all you know you wake up and then

114700:55:18,230 --> 00:55:22,280sitting on the tail of your bed looking

114800:55:20,570 --> 00:55:23,269at you're like oh hi and then all of a

114900:55:22,280 --> 00:55:25,370sudden you go in the bathroom is

115000:55:23,269 --> 00:55:27,349standing there in the bathroom you know

115100:55:25,369 --> 00:55:35,380they say the silent looking they just

115200:55:27,349 --> 00:55:37,190like no but no but I can tell you this

115300:55:35,380 --> 00:55:41,300my stepdaughter

115400:55:37,190 --> 00:55:44,750my stepdaughter since we moved north she


115500:55:41,300 --> 00:55:46,700has literally almost since night number

115600:55:44,750 --> 00:55:48,889one that we moved into this house and

115700:55:46,699 --> 00:55:52,849slept here for the first time she

115800:55:48,889 --> 00:55:58,339actually has fairies that come to her in

115900:55:52,849 --> 00:56:01,130her bedroom and that they are all around

116000:55:58,340 --> 00:56:03,650her I've never seen them but sometimes

116100:56:01,130 --> 00:56:05,210literally literally she is gone in

116200:56:03,650 --> 00:56:07,490behind her house we have a green belt

116300:56:05,210 --> 00:56:09,099with some paths that are mowed down the

116400:56:07,489 --> 00:56:12,339deer run through there

116500:56:09,099 --> 00:56:16,440foxes Cougars bears she's not afraid at

116600:56:12,340 --> 00:56:20,530all she is one tough young lady and and

116700:56:16,440 --> 00:56:22,720she will actually go sit in the you know

116800:56:20,530 --> 00:56:24,580she needs to meditate or she just needs

1169


00:56:22,719 --> 00:56:26,889to do some deep thinking or maybe she's

117000:56:24,579 --> 00:56:29,170just in a happy mood she'll go wander

117100:56:26,889 --> 00:56:31,000off somewhere either in our backyard or

117200:56:29,170 --> 00:56:33,159into the green belt behind our yard and

117300:56:31,000 --> 00:56:35,679she'll just sit there and literally

117400:56:33,159 --> 00:56:39,909she'll have fairies all surrounding her

117500:56:35,679 --> 00:56:42,460and I have and you know what I've taken

117600:56:39,909 --> 00:56:44,139heat on this by saying this before

117700:56:42,460 --> 00:56:48,010and I really don't care but I actually

117800:56:44,139 --> 00:56:58,480have a video that she actually filmed

117900:56:48,010 --> 00:57:02,170last winter of a fairy I will not bring

118000:56:58,480 --> 00:57:03,699it out in public because a I'm not

118100:57:02,170 --> 00:57:07,690getting my daughter involved with this

118200:57:03,699 --> 00:57:11,769para drama that's out there and yeah and

118300:57:07,690 --> 00:57:16,780


B I am NOT putting it out there because

118400:57:11,769 --> 00:57:19,750I do not believe that I want the

118500:57:16,780 --> 00:57:23,110harassment that goes along with having

118600:57:19,750 --> 00:57:26,440something so intriguing okay I'm not a

118700:57:23,110 --> 00:57:29,590I'm not an editor I'm not a film guy you

118800:57:26,440 --> 00:57:32,079know I don't know how to use CGI or crap

118900:57:29,590 --> 00:57:34,510like that you know my God my daughter

119000:57:32,079 --> 00:57:36,909caught this and what it looks like is

119100:57:34,510 --> 00:57:39,280honestly it looks like a white fly

119200:57:36,909 --> 00:57:41,710flying around but you have to understand

119300:57:39,280 --> 00:57:43,420up here up here in Canada she filmed

119400:57:41,710 --> 00:57:46,929this in January February of this year

119500:57:43,420 --> 00:57:49,030and she was dancing around her room and

119600:57:46,929 --> 00:57:50,589you know how young girls do with their

119700:57:49,030 --> 00:57:53,050friends they you know they record


119800:57:50,590 --> 00:57:54,610themselves and they posted on on you

119900:57:53,050 --> 00:57:56,530know snapchat or something along those

120000:57:54,610 --> 00:57:58,210lines and all of a sudden she came

120100:57:56,530 --> 00:58:01,480running up to me she was Dave I got a

120200:57:58,210 --> 00:58:06,340fairy on film and I'm like what and so

120300:58:01,480 --> 00:58:08,559she showed me the video and up in the

120400:58:06,340 --> 00:58:10,870corner by our window you can see this

120500:58:08,559 --> 00:58:12,940thing kind of emanate from the ceiling

120600:58:10,869 --> 00:58:14,949go down towards the window and then do a

120700:58:12,940 --> 00:58:17,050bunch of zigzagging before taking off

120800:58:14,949 --> 00:58:19,539again now what a lot of people don't

120900:58:17,050 --> 00:58:22,180understand here is the wintertime up

121000:58:19,539 --> 00:58:23,019where I am if we if we go to Celsius or

121100:58:22,179 --> 00:58:26,589centigrade


121200:58:23,019 --> 00:58:28,630four degrees right now it gets cold it

121300:58:26,590 --> 00:58:31,119gets very cold and I think around that

121400:58:28,630 --> 00:58:32,950time it was about minus 20 minus 22

121500:58:31,119 --> 00:58:34,030degrees we had about two and a half

121600:58:32,949 --> 00:58:37,929three feet of snow

121700:58:34,030 --> 00:58:43,119okay oh yeah you know I mean you'll

121800:58:37,929 --> 00:58:46,529freeze out there and anyways when it is

121900:58:43,119 --> 00:58:50,050that cold there don't there are no bugs

122000:58:46,530 --> 00:58:53,070okay yeah there's no there's no flies

122100:58:50,050 --> 00:58:56,050there's no horse flies there's no

122200:58:53,070 --> 00:58:56,860ladybugs flying around there's no

122300:58:56,050 --> 00:58:59,530nothing

122400:58:56,860 --> 00:59:01,630okay the bugs are in hibernation or

122500:58:59,530 --> 00:59:04,000they're dead hopefully they're dead

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00:59:01,630 --> 00:59:06,789okay but they are burrowed into the

122700:59:04,000 --> 00:59:08,260ground so I've had people say well are

122800:59:06,789 --> 00:59:10,329you sure that sound a fly said look in

122900:59:08,260 --> 00:59:14,350the window there's snow there there are

123000:59:10,329 --> 00:59:16,480no bugs in the snow and I actually I've

123100:59:14,349 --> 00:59:19,659actually sent that video to one person

123200:59:16,480 --> 00:59:22,389and that is the gentleman on this show

123300:59:19,659 --> 00:59:29,049we call the crypto guru ronald murphy

123400:59:22,389 --> 00:59:32,170and he actually 100% believes that my

123500:59:29,050 --> 00:59:34,840daughter caught a fairy on film she

123600:59:32,170 --> 00:59:38,680probably did it sounds like she did yeah

123700:59:34,840 --> 00:59:43,030i I went it sounds like it mm-hmm

123800:59:38,679 --> 00:59:45,279that is an amazing amazing yeah wow that

123900:59:43,030 --> 00:59:47,200is really you know I always heard good

124000:59:45,280 --> 00:59:49,300


things about fairies I don't know too

124100:59:47,199 --> 00:59:51,608much about that and back there yeah yeah

124200:59:49,300 --> 00:59:54,880well isn't there don't think some of

124300:59:51,608 --> 01:00:01,119them cause mischief or something or I

124400:59:54,880 --> 01:00:03,730don't know take your baby the fairy the

124501:00:01,119 --> 01:00:05,530fairies all depends on the person they

124601:00:03,730 --> 01:00:08,740can screw with you and they can attack

124701:00:05,530 --> 01:00:11,320you or if they feel that you are a part

124801:00:08,739 --> 01:00:14,919of what they are growing into they will

124901:00:11,320 --> 01:00:16,900actually you know be very very kind

125001:00:14,920 --> 01:00:19,480towards you if you're good with the

125101:00:16,900 --> 01:00:21,849environment if you're good and in

125201:00:19,480 --> 01:00:24,820respecting things so it's very

125301:00:21,849 --> 01:00:27,339interesting how that works you know but

125401:00:24,820 --> 01:00:29,950she she sees them every day and to her


125501:00:27,340 --> 01:00:31,720it's become nonchalant like she'll sit

125601:00:29,949 --> 01:00:34,899there at night with her in bed getting

125701:00:31,719 --> 01:00:36,608ready to go to sleep and you know I'll

125801:00:34,900 --> 01:00:36,789walk in to say good night to her and

125901:00:36,608 --> 01:00:38,139then

126001:00:36,789 --> 01:00:40,119they'll say hey what are you doing she

126101:00:38,139 --> 01:00:49,170goes oh nothing just staring up at the

126201:00:40,119 --> 01:00:54,849fairies that's a cute story yeah yeah

126301:00:49,170 --> 01:00:56,619exactly so we only have about 45 seconds

126401:00:54,849 --> 01:00:57,940here before we have to go to break I'm

126501:00:56,619 --> 01:01:00,400going to reintroduce you we have on

126601:00:57,940 --> 01:01:02,590Alicia Renee and Ellen from haunted

126701:01:00,400 --> 01:01:06,039sleepovers they are based out of

126801:01:02,590 --> 01:01:08,079Portland Oregon we've survived one hour


126901:01:06,039 --> 01:01:10,389there is a huge storm going on on the

127001:01:08,079 --> 01:01:12,069west coast so we're hoping we'll get

127101:01:10,389 --> 01:01:15,750them for the next two as well we'll be

127201:01:12,070 --> 01:01:18,460right back right after this break

127301:01:15,750 --> 01:01:21,789looking for news beyond the mainstream

127401:01:18,460 --> 01:01:23,470news head spaced-out radio.com and check

127501:01:21,789 --> 01:01:25,900out the SOR space water

127601:01:23,469 --> 01:01:28,179this is spaced-out radios Erick Markham

127701:01:25,900 --> 01:01:30,610news director for the SOR space water

127801:01:28,179 --> 01:01:32,559daily I will bring you the tree geek

127901:01:30,610 --> 01:01:34,980stories outlandish reports to what's

128001:01:32,559 --> 01:01:36,639going on around the world UFO sightings

128101:01:34,980 --> 01:01:39,610paranormal activity

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1283


01:01:39,610 --> 01:01:46,900much more and if you have news email at

128401:01:42,789 --> 01:01:48,639news at space on radio calm hi there

128501:01:46,900 --> 01:01:50,710I'm butch wachowski lead investigator

128601:01:48,639 --> 01:01:52,329with you for cop when the final Monday

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129301:02:01,659 --> 01:02:05,619contacted Bigfoot and I want to hear

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136001:04:50,289 --> 01:04:52,950calm

136101:05:06,760 --> 01:05:10,440[Music]

136201:05:08,849 --> 01:05:13,159have you ever had an extraterrestrial

136301:05:10,440 --> 01:05:15,150experience one you just couldn't explain

136401:05:13,159 --> 01:05:18,599well maybe I can help

136501:05:15,150 --> 01:05:20,400hello I am Samantha Nolan on the second

136601:05:18,599 --> 01:05:22,589Tuesday of each month I will join Dave

136701:05:20,400 --> 01:05:24,599Scott on space jet radio to bring a

136801:05:22,590 --> 01:05:26,760human aspect to eg contact


136901:05:24,599 --> 01:05:28,829it's something I've lived with my entire

137001:05:26,760 --> 01:05:32,130life and I'd love to help you understand

137101:05:28,829 --> 01:05:33,929let's share our experiences the et

137201:05:32,130 --> 01:05:37,140experience the second Tuesday of each

137301:05:33,929 --> 01:05:39,480month only on safe note radio hi there

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139401:06:27,030 --> 01:06:30,960psychic medium Joanna and I would love

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139601:06:30,960 --> 01:06:36,119Sunday on space that weekend with host

1397


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142601:07:45,690 --> 01:07:49,920tonight I am your host Dave Scott good

142701:07:48,119 --> 01:07:53,700to have you along for the ride if you're

142801:07:49,920 --> 01:07:57,480listening in on revolution radio and we

142901:07:53,699 --> 01:07:58,980got a voicemail system here hold on so

143001:07:57,480 --> 01:08:00,420you don't hear that on the space no

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143301:08:02,579 --> 01:08:09,180dial back in to the ladies to get them

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147001:09:33,960 --> 01:09:39,929weird report file a sor sightlines

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147301:09:41,869 --> 01:09:46,920tonight we are talking with the ladies

147401:09:44,158 --> 01:09:48,719from haunted sleepovers out of Portland

147501:09:46,920 --> 01:09:51,179Oregon on Alicia

147601:09:48,719 --> 01:09:53,009Rene and Ellen are with us as this is a

147701:09:51,179 --> 01:09:53,770brand new group that is attracting a lot

147801:09:53,009 --> 01:09:55,238of attention

147901:09:53,770 --> 01:09:57,489they're doing it a little bit

148001:09:55,238 --> 01:09:59,679differently they're doing their

148101:09:57,488 --> 01:10:04,029paranormal investigations to talk about

148201:09:59,680 --> 01:10:06,430the history of Portland and eventually


148301:10:04,029 --> 01:10:12,639other places across North America ladies

148401:10:06,430 --> 01:10:21,250welcome back now during the break you

148501:10:12,640 --> 01:10:25,900were carving pumpkins this thing will

148601:10:21,250 --> 01:10:28,329post let me post it um actually I'll let

148701:10:25,899 --> 01:10:30,339you talk to Rene but I did take a video

148801:10:28,329 --> 01:10:33,340and I am posting it on our haunted

148901:10:30,340 --> 01:10:35,199sleepovers Facebook account only Rene

149001:10:33,340 --> 01:10:37,360explained that well well I have a

149101:10:35,199 --> 01:10:39,880different approach to carving pumpkins

149201:10:37,359 --> 01:10:42,309and I like to use my power tools so that

149301:10:39,880 --> 01:10:49,000says that's kind of what we were doing

149401:10:42,310 --> 01:10:50,610over the break video sick of me so yeah

149501:10:49,000 --> 01:10:52,840we're working on it

149601:10:50,609 --> 01:10:55,719and I just want to point out I did wear


149701:10:52,840 --> 01:10:57,369my glasses oh good good because we

149801:10:55,719 --> 01:10:59,829wouldn't want you to take a pumpkin seed

149901:10:57,369 --> 01:11:03,789in the eye this would be a very very bad

150001:10:59,829 --> 01:11:05,738timing for so the one the one thing I

150101:11:03,789 --> 01:11:08,529love about you ladies is your you're

150201:11:05,738 --> 01:11:10,599having a lot of fun you're enjoying this

150301:11:08,529 --> 01:11:14,579time together and the investigations

150401:11:10,600 --> 01:11:14,579together Ellen what makes it so fun

150501:11:14,739 --> 01:11:20,609[Laughter]

150601:11:19,090 --> 01:11:27,039[Music]

150701:11:20,609 --> 01:11:29,109Audie never stops making us laugh well

150801:11:27,039 --> 01:11:32,019it's a friendship inside it like last

150901:11:29,109 --> 01:11:34,599week we went to pick up pumpkins and we

151001:11:32,020 --> 01:11:36,219were asked a very confusing barn that

1511


01:11:34,600 --> 01:11:39,910was playing Christmas music I had

151201:11:36,219 --> 01:11:41,829Halloween decorations and on Alicia was

151301:11:39,909 --> 01:11:43,869just running around taking pictures and

151401:11:41,829 --> 01:11:45,369she's all excited about everything and

151501:11:43,869 --> 01:11:46,420there's chickens and she was excited

151601:11:45,369 --> 01:11:48,488about the chickens

151701:11:46,420 --> 01:11:50,230and the woman looks at me and she's like

151801:11:48,488 --> 01:11:51,909you guys have been friends for many

151901:11:50,229 --> 01:11:56,169years haven't you know I was like two

152001:11:51,909 --> 01:12:00,729months confused by my tolerance level of

152101:11:56,170 --> 01:12:04,810the hyper heavy so I guess if the

152201:12:00,729 --> 01:12:07,779friendship is what makes it the best and

152301:12:04,810 --> 01:12:10,480that's important you all get along

152401:12:07,779 --> 01:12:12,429you all kind of check the egos and the

152501:12:10,479 --> 01:12:16,149


attitudes at the door and you have a

152601:12:12,429 --> 01:12:18,880goal in mind and that is to bring that

152701:12:16,149 --> 01:12:21,848experience of the history of Portland

152801:12:18,880 --> 01:12:25,078and the Shanghai tunnels to the public's

152901:12:21,849 --> 01:12:28,119eyes what is so important on Alecia

153001:12:25,078 --> 01:12:30,130about the Shanghai tunnels for the

153101:12:28,118 --> 01:12:32,319people who may not understand what the

153201:12:30,130 --> 01:12:37,179Shanghai tunnels are all about give us a

153301:12:32,319 --> 01:12:39,670brief history lesson well you know the

153401:12:37,179 --> 01:12:41,949same kind tunnels were built by the

153501:12:39,670 --> 01:12:44,288Chinese actually and little sidenote

153601:12:41,948 --> 01:12:47,169Michel is really itching to call it he's

153701:12:44,288 --> 01:12:49,868very excited by the way he just says

153801:12:47,170 --> 01:12:52,420give the word and he's gonna call Michel

153901:12:49,868 --> 01:12:54,519Pete Jones is the one that stumbled onto


154001:12:52,420 --> 01:12:58,210these tunnels when he was only 7 years

154101:12:54,520 --> 01:13:00,550old the Shanghai tunnels are here in

154201:12:58,210 --> 01:13:03,698Portland Oregon they were called

154301:13:00,550 --> 01:13:06,279Shanghai tunnels because actually they

154401:13:03,698 --> 01:13:08,169were not just built by the Chinese but

154501:13:06,279 --> 01:13:10,868that would be one of the first ports

154601:13:08,170 --> 01:13:13,840that we would go to was Shanghai China

154701:13:10,868 --> 01:13:17,019so therefore we could call it Shanghai

154801:13:13,840 --> 01:13:18,730tunnels as Portlanders we don't really

154901:13:17,020 --> 01:13:21,460call it the Shanghai tunnels that's with

155001:13:18,729 --> 01:13:23,439a little fact little trivia there we

155101:13:21,460 --> 01:13:26,739actually call it the Portland

155201:13:23,439 --> 01:13:28,538Underground that's what we usually call

155301:13:26,738 --> 01:13:31,479it but we are known for the Shanghai


155401:13:28,538 --> 01:13:34,029tunnels but it was basically men that

155501:13:31,479 --> 01:13:37,479were shanghaied the reason why Shanghai

155601:13:34,029 --> 01:13:39,788and even began was because of what you

155701:13:37,479 --> 01:13:41,408said which I'm very excited to maybe one

155801:13:39,788 --> 01:13:43,479day meet that group that you were just

155901:13:41,408 --> 01:13:46,719talking about not too long ago about the

156001:13:43,479 --> 01:13:49,959group based out in Canada that's kind of

156101:13:46,719 --> 01:13:52,239like us as far as history was because of

156201:13:49,960 --> 01:13:56,770the gold rush when the gold rush

156301:13:52,238 --> 01:13:59,169happened not in 18-49 1850 you know

156401:13:56,770 --> 01:14:01,420people didn't want to work on these

156501:13:59,170 --> 01:14:03,520ships anymore they wanted to go find

156601:14:01,420 --> 01:14:06,190that gold they wanted to go to

156701:14:03,520 --> 01:14:07,599California Alaska they didn't want to

1568


01:14:06,189 --> 01:14:11,738work on the ship I mean that was

156901:14:07,599 --> 01:14:13,239hardcore labor back then so now this

157001:14:11,738 --> 01:14:15,189left the sea captains in a lot of

157101:14:13,238 --> 01:14:18,009trouble because now nobody would work on

157201:14:15,189 --> 01:14:21,579the ships so back in the day men hung

157301:14:18,010 --> 01:14:23,800around in saloon such as what they did

157401:14:21,579 --> 01:14:27,010you know women back then did not go into

157501:14:23,800 --> 01:14:30,090saloons unless you're working in one so

157601:14:27,010 --> 01:14:33,600the shanghai these shanghaiers knew this

157701:14:30,090 --> 01:14:37,060they they were called shanghai ER

157801:14:33,600 --> 01:14:39,039because they were men that would collect

157901:14:37,060 --> 01:14:41,200these men for these sea captain's that

158001:14:39,039 --> 01:14:43,840were known as shanghaiers it was very

158101:14:41,199 --> 01:14:46,329big money back then so they knew these

158201:14:43,840 --> 01:14:48,039


men you know would come into these bars

158301:14:46,329 --> 01:14:50,199and so they were like ok perfect

158401:14:48,039 --> 01:14:53,380opportunity we'll get these guys as

158501:14:50,199 --> 01:14:56,199drunk as possible we will lure them by a

158601:14:53,380 --> 01:14:57,880trap door we will you know collect them

158701:14:56,199 --> 01:14:59,979in a holding cell and the captain's

158801:14:57,880 --> 01:15:02,789already will have them go on to a ship

158901:14:59,979 --> 01:15:05,739and basically that's what they did

159001:15:02,789 --> 01:15:07,960Portland back in the day was number one

159101:15:05,739 --> 01:15:10,119basically for Shanghai and San Francisco

159201:15:07,960 --> 01:15:13,539was a close second now if I were to

159301:15:10,119 --> 01:15:17,109Shanghai you Dave Scott back in the day

159401:15:13,539 --> 01:15:19,720I would get about $50 for you know that

159501:15:17,109 --> 01:15:23,319was a lot of I'm worth a hell of a lot

159601:15:19,720 --> 01:15:26,340more than that now yeah that was


159701:15:23,319 --> 01:15:30,130basically $50 back then equates to about

159801:15:26,340 --> 01:15:32,6802,500 to 3,000 dollars today so that's

159901:15:30,130 --> 01:15:35,739off one person can you imagine one

160001:15:32,680 --> 01:15:37,270person so these guys split it a lot of

160101:15:35,739 --> 01:15:40,329these shanghaiers ended up buying their

160201:15:37,270 --> 01:15:42,310own bars it was such good business so

160301:15:40,329 --> 01:15:44,140what's that about these guys is they

160401:15:42,310 --> 01:15:46,450were gone for a long time probably about

160501:15:44,140 --> 01:15:47,950three to five years that were gone they

160601:15:46,449 --> 01:15:49,329would these sea captain's would make

160701:15:47,949 --> 01:15:51,880them sign these contracts

160801:15:49,329 --> 01:15:53,979if they refused to sign the contracts

160901:15:51,880 --> 01:15:56,409there was basically being thrown

161001:15:53,979 --> 01:15:57,359overboard so basically they didn't have


161101:15:56,409 --> 01:15:59,680a choice

161201:15:57,359 --> 01:16:01,509this and then a lot of these guys that

161301:15:59,680 --> 01:16:04,150would make it back if they did make it

161401:16:01,510 --> 01:16:05,949back they would come back to having

161501:16:04,149 --> 01:16:11,019their families being gone their

161601:16:05,949 --> 01:16:15,579businesses being gone very very very sad

161701:16:11,020 --> 01:16:19,150story but what's sad about that we as

161801:16:15,579 --> 01:16:21,130volunteers you know we try to keep the

161901:16:19,149 --> 01:16:23,889history alive so everybody knows about

162001:16:21,130 --> 01:16:26,140it but like you said we were talking

162101:16:23,890 --> 01:16:29,890about the tunnels disappearing that's a

162201:16:26,140 --> 01:16:31,990big issue they are collapsing two weeks

162301:16:29,890 --> 01:16:35,289ago we just had another tunnel collapse

162401:16:31,989 --> 01:16:37,179and so you know every time that happen

1625


01:16:35,289 --> 01:16:39,519they basically fill that tunnel with

162601:16:37,180 --> 01:16:40,329cement and dirt and fill that tunnel off

162701:16:39,520 --> 01:16:43,780forever

162801:16:40,329 --> 01:16:46,210so it's a big problem and there's a lot

162901:16:43,779 --> 01:16:48,699of obstacles but we just have to do the

163001:16:46,210 --> 01:16:51,970best we can that's all you can do one

163101:16:48,699 --> 01:16:55,300thing about history is parts of it dies

163201:16:51,970 --> 01:16:57,369and that's just nature but you know

163301:16:55,300 --> 01:17:01,180trying to preserve it as long as we can

163401:16:57,369 --> 01:17:02,979that is what we're hoping to do and

163501:17:01,180 --> 01:17:05,110Michael if you want to call in I believe

163601:17:02,979 --> 01:17:08,859you have the phone number just feel free

163701:17:05,109 --> 01:17:10,989to ring on in at any time and we'll put

163801:17:08,859 --> 01:17:12,849you right on the air if you don't mind

163901:17:10,989 --> 01:17:14,529


that would be kind of cool

164001:17:12,850 --> 01:17:20,079let's get Michael from the Shanghai

164101:17:14,529 --> 01:17:23,139tunnels there No yeah what's that I said

164201:17:20,079 --> 01:17:25,420we are on that Renee what's the feeling

164301:17:23,140 --> 01:17:29,440like when you go down into the tunnels

164401:17:25,420 --> 01:17:31,899is it is it dark and dingy is it scary

164501:17:29,439 --> 01:17:34,119can you feel that the spirits are there

164601:17:31,899 --> 01:17:44,559give us a description of what it feels

164701:17:34,119 --> 01:17:47,439like down there really bad okay you know

164801:17:44,560 --> 01:17:52,660I'm starving right now and that's a lot

164901:17:47,439 --> 01:18:02,349of nerve right now they're really young

165001:17:52,659 --> 01:18:05,979cedar thoughts yeah I'm sorry Ellen

165101:18:02,350 --> 01:18:08,170let's let's get hungry Renee out of here

165201:18:05,979 --> 01:18:09,849and let's bring you in tell us about

165301:18:08,170 --> 01:18:11,800what the tunnels are like the feeling


165401:18:09,850 --> 01:18:14,560the the is it

165501:18:11,800 --> 01:18:16,720somber is it can you feel the spirits

165601:18:14,560 --> 01:18:22,120when you enter into the area is there

165701:18:16,720 --> 01:18:26,380lighting is it dark so to me I think

165801:18:22,119 --> 01:18:28,420it's peaceful I know I'm the believer in

165901:18:26,380 --> 01:18:31,690the concept of if you believe it can't

166001:18:28,420 --> 01:18:33,340hurt you then it won't and it can't so

166101:18:31,689 --> 01:18:35,049to me the tunnels are peaceful because

166201:18:33,340 --> 01:18:37,659they're dark they're quiet I'm in a

166301:18:35,050 --> 01:18:39,670behavior classroom eight hours a day

166401:18:37,659 --> 01:18:41,949five days a week where people scream

166501:18:39,670 --> 01:18:44,859obscenities at me so the tunnels are

166601:18:41,949 --> 01:18:47,019quiet and peaceful in decent place for

166701:18:44,859 --> 01:18:48,908me to relax after a workday or when I'm


166801:18:47,020 --> 01:18:52,570setting up I don't mind going down in

166901:18:48,908 --> 01:18:55,149I do admit you can feel things the and

167001:18:52,569 --> 01:18:56,618you know if you have to be a skeptic you

167101:18:55,149 --> 01:18:58,268don't have to be a hater but you do have

167201:18:56,618 --> 01:19:00,188to be a skeptic you have to stop in

167301:18:58,269 --> 01:19:02,260question whether something was caused by

167401:19:00,189 --> 01:19:05,019something above you you know you do have

167501:19:02,260 --> 01:19:06,699to accept that you can feel them down

167601:19:05,019 --> 01:19:08,289there I definitely agree there are more

167701:19:06,698 --> 01:19:10,089active nights there are some nights

167801:19:08,288 --> 01:19:11,618where we don't experience anything other

167901:19:10,090 --> 01:19:14,650nights where one or two things will

168001:19:11,618 --> 01:19:17,828happen repeatedly so it's both I think

168101:19:14,649 --> 01:19:20,558for many people it is a very difficult

1682


01:19:17,828 --> 01:19:22,719place to be I have definitely walked

168301:19:20,559 --> 01:19:25,179people out because they can't handle it

168401:19:22,719 --> 01:19:27,099and that's fine there are people who

168501:19:25,179 --> 01:19:31,300have different I guess spiritual

168601:19:27,099 --> 01:19:34,869compositions I can I don't really get

168701:19:31,300 --> 01:19:38,469trained or affected like that I don't

168801:19:34,868 --> 01:19:40,569scream like that or anything the other

168901:19:38,469 --> 01:19:42,219day it was we had another tour guide

169001:19:40,569 --> 01:19:43,538coming through the flashlight and I was

169101:19:42,219 --> 01:19:45,819kind of thought it was a way to

169201:19:43,538 --> 01:19:47,438intelligently moving or even away whoa

169301:19:45,819 --> 01:19:50,918because I got really excited that's

169401:19:47,439 --> 01:19:53,260about all you get out of me excellent

169501:19:50,918 --> 01:19:58,328Michael from the Shanghai tunnels has

169601:19:53,260 --> 01:20:00,699


just joined us Michael how are you I'm

169701:19:58,328 --> 01:20:04,118doing fine just came up from doing a

169801:20:00,698 --> 01:20:05,018couple tours tonight so in the right

169901:20:04,118 --> 01:20:07,299frame of mind

170001:20:05,019 --> 01:20:09,748you gave the ladies the night off so

170101:20:07,300 --> 01:20:15,519they could join me thank you so much Oh

170201:20:09,748 --> 01:20:18,368anytime and oh and how were the tunnels

170301:20:15,519 --> 01:20:22,119tonight were they active huh they're

170401:20:18,368 --> 01:20:23,889extremely active and you know we have

170501:20:22,118 --> 01:20:27,819such great people that come through on

170601:20:23,889 --> 01:20:31,118our tours and that really allows things

170701:20:27,819 --> 01:20:34,748to take shape and people got some great

170801:20:31,118 --> 01:20:36,578photographs at populations tonight and

170901:20:34,748 --> 01:20:40,118people surprised what they actually was

171001:20:36,578 --> 01:20:42,998able to capture my whole problem isn't


171101:20:40,118 --> 01:20:46,988being distracted because of shadows this

171201:20:42,998 --> 01:20:51,399is a very shadowy night you know when

171301:20:46,988 --> 01:20:55,538I'm doing the tour's I I see shadows of

171401:20:51,399 --> 01:20:57,958people that are not on our tours that

171501:20:55,538 --> 01:21:00,728live on the underground so to speak and

171601:20:57,958 --> 01:21:02,619I tend to get distracted

171701:21:00,729 --> 01:21:05,140once somebody's there everybody

171801:21:02,619 --> 01:21:09,760and I keep saying no I can still see for

171901:21:05,140 --> 01:21:12,789for people walking behind us so very

172001:21:09,760 --> 01:21:15,880very typical for the Shanghai tolls Wow

172101:21:12,789 --> 01:21:20,159is it that vivid down there when it

172201:21:15,880 --> 01:21:20,159comes to trying to keep a group together

172301:21:20,670 --> 01:21:29,140yes and you know one of the main things

172401:21:25,210 --> 01:21:31,750I think that we have the advantage that


172501:21:29,140 --> 01:21:35,079were there all the time and I really

172601:21:31,750 --> 01:21:38,710believe that the spirits have gotten

172701:21:35,079 --> 01:21:40,090really used to us and know us and I

172801:21:38,710 --> 01:21:43,770think that makes a big big difference

172901:21:40,090 --> 01:21:45,430and know sometimes play tricks on and

173001:21:43,770 --> 01:21:47,500like one of the thing that really

173101:21:45,430 --> 01:21:50,950frustrates me hasn't happened a while

173201:21:47,500 --> 01:21:53,520for a while but it's like somebody takes

173301:21:50,949 --> 01:21:58,989this feather that you can't see and

173401:21:53,520 --> 01:22:01,830starts itching my nose and my face and I

173501:21:58,989 --> 01:22:04,000try to be this when scratching or

173601:22:01,829 --> 01:22:06,309sometimes you just can't I tell you not

173701:22:04,000 --> 01:22:07,960this feather invisible feathered way of

173801:22:06,310 --> 01:22:12,820course you can't see it and it doesn't

1739


01:22:07,960 --> 01:22:15,159work that would be eerie so when you're

174001:22:12,819 --> 01:22:17,799seeing shadows explain to us what you're

174101:22:15,159 --> 01:22:21,550seeing down there Mike

174201:22:17,800 --> 01:22:28,090uh it's I can't see any faces but

174301:22:21,550 --> 01:22:30,520generally it's behind every one and it's

174401:22:28,090 --> 01:22:33,909just very dark shadows but you can tell

174501:22:30,520 --> 01:22:37,390that it's a person or should be a person

174601:22:33,909 --> 01:22:41,500and what I do when I was one area by the

174701:22:37,390 --> 01:22:43,750court rooms when you here I'm looking

174801:22:41,500 --> 01:22:45,250south and you can see the hole in the

174901:22:43,750 --> 01:22:47,890wall was there's lights behind the whole

175001:22:45,250 --> 01:22:52,239wall so it's very good good area to see

175101:22:47,890 --> 01:22:55,270things and when I say if somebody says

175201:22:52,239 --> 01:22:55,979okay everyone's in and I say are you

175301:22:55,270 --> 01:22:58,630


sure

175401:22:55,979 --> 01:23:05,049that means I'm seeing more shadows

175501:22:58,630 --> 01:23:06,460behind everybody and what do you think

175601:23:05,050 --> 01:23:10,930of these three ladies and what they're

175701:23:06,460 --> 01:23:14,319doing with haunted sleepovers oh I think

175801:23:10,930 --> 01:23:16,300it's very unique and it's a great idea

175901:23:14,319 --> 01:23:21,279and it's something new

176001:23:16,300 --> 01:23:24,309and refreshing and you know I think

176101:23:21,279 --> 01:23:28,328they'll be very good for the spirits in

176201:23:24,309 --> 01:23:30,730those places they're all they're very

176301:23:28,328 --> 01:23:33,788good people and that's that's the main

176401:23:30,729 --> 01:23:36,399thing you know there's a there's you

176501:23:33,788 --> 01:23:40,719know in all different fields there's

176601:23:36,399 --> 01:23:43,149good in their band and yep sometimes in

176701:23:40,719 --> 01:23:45,489the paranormal field they're not they're


176801:23:43,149 --> 01:23:48,339not the best in the world but these

176901:23:45,488 --> 01:23:52,328three ladies I think are are really top

177001:23:48,340 --> 01:23:54,429notch and it's going to be it's going to

177101:23:52,328 --> 01:24:00,058be good to have them around in this

177201:23:54,429 --> 01:24:00,059capacity excellent excellent

177301:24:00,479 --> 01:24:07,149you were about to say well and and they

177401:24:05,469 --> 01:24:10,599all are associated with the Shanghai

177501:24:07,149 --> 01:24:12,788tunnels so it's great to have them in

177601:24:10,599 --> 01:24:15,940London that's happening lately

177701:24:12,788 --> 01:24:17,979in a museum Shanghai tells things that

177801:24:15,939 --> 01:24:20,319are taking place there now we always

177901:24:17,979 --> 01:24:23,319heard noises and things like that but

178001:24:20,319 --> 01:24:27,788lately they've been getting photographs

178101:24:23,319 --> 01:24:30,429of unique things that wasn't there when


178201:24:27,788 --> 01:24:32,229they snapped the picture and annika took

178301:24:30,429 --> 01:24:34,300a great picture

178401:24:32,229 --> 01:24:36,488at our first thirsty concert for human

178501:24:34,300 --> 01:24:39,070trafficking awareness that tell the

178601:24:36,488 --> 01:24:42,968museum Shanghai tunnels and I was

178701:24:39,069 --> 01:24:46,828interviewing a musician and right behind

178801:24:42,969 --> 01:24:51,069me on the curtain she captured a face

178901:24:46,828 --> 01:24:57,219very unique like your face yeah looking

179001:24:51,069 --> 01:25:01,630right Oh what was she saying I have no

179101:24:57,219 --> 01:25:04,059idea I said it was it was looking right

179201:25:01,630 --> 01:25:06,248at Michael like you know it was in fact

179301:25:04,059 --> 01:25:09,400of this woman that he was interviewing

179401:25:06,248 --> 01:25:14,920but the face was looking at Michael the

179501:25:09,399 --> 01:25:18,009smiling kind of a creepy smile well you

1796


01:25:14,920 --> 01:25:20,219know I'll tell you this there's a couple

179701:25:18,010 --> 01:25:24,099of psychic mediums that I work with and

179801:25:20,219 --> 01:25:25,899one is just I think really good well

179901:25:24,099 --> 01:25:29,829they're both really good but there's one

180001:25:25,899 --> 01:25:32,469that really has has always

180101:25:29,829 --> 01:25:34,449the way to really shock me because

180201:25:32,470 --> 01:25:38,920she'll go into the underground and tell

180301:25:34,449 --> 01:25:39,939me things that only I know and she

180401:25:38,920 --> 01:25:43,859doesn't know why she's saying this

180501:25:39,939 --> 01:25:46,419things and what she says that the

180601:25:43,859 --> 01:25:49,479spirits there really love what we're

180701:25:46,420 --> 01:25:52,779doing and we're telling their stories

180801:25:49,479 --> 01:25:55,569their history where nobody has ever done

180901:25:52,779 --> 01:25:59,199that before and they love being around

181001:25:55,569 --> 01:26:02,349


us and which is really really neat I

181101:25:59,199 --> 01:26:05,380feel because we work so hard to do a

181201:26:02,350 --> 01:26:07,539good job to educate people and now we

181301:26:05,380 --> 01:26:12,909have the spirit they're appreciating

181401:26:07,539 --> 01:26:15,220that how important is it to try and get

181501:26:12,909 --> 01:26:17,889continuity down in the tunnels with the

181601:26:15,220 --> 01:26:19,960spirits do you think Michael because as

181701:26:17,890 --> 01:26:21,640you say it seems like they're getting to

181801:26:19,960 --> 01:26:24,760know the ladies and the tour guides such

181901:26:21,640 --> 01:26:28,170as yourself who are out there doing this

182001:26:24,760 --> 01:26:30,909work you know a few nights a week and

182101:26:28,170 --> 01:26:33,609they're starting to recognize you do you

182201:26:30,909 --> 01:26:35,649think that it's important for the

182301:26:33,609 --> 01:26:40,929spirits and the guides to have that

182401:26:35,649 --> 01:26:46,079continuity oh yes I really do and not to


182501:26:40,930 --> 01:26:50,619be afraid of when things happen because

182601:26:46,079 --> 01:26:52,210I've had like one one volunteer who

182701:26:50,619 --> 01:26:54,819really gets freaked out when things

182801:26:52,210 --> 01:26:57,159happen and it's amazing because I'm

182901:26:54,819 --> 01:27:00,189there and this has happened in the past

183001:26:57,159 --> 01:27:02,079of other volunteers you know they're

183101:27:00,189 --> 01:27:05,649into the paranormal but when things

183201:27:02,079 --> 01:27:09,489happen to them they really freak out you

183301:27:05,649 --> 01:27:11,170know had there's one volunteer she was

183401:27:09,489 --> 01:27:13,569there for about a year nothing happened

183501:27:11,170 --> 01:27:17,890finally she's got to hold the wall

183601:27:13,569 --> 01:27:19,239setting up and something taps her on the

183701:27:17,890 --> 01:27:21,160shoulder she turns around there's

183801:27:19,239 --> 01:27:24,969nothing there she screams and runs out


183901:27:21,159 --> 01:27:26,380you know any the answer I said well but

184001:27:24,970 --> 01:27:29,140think about this you're into the

184101:27:26,380 --> 01:27:31,510paranormal and you know you're an

184201:27:29,140 --> 01:27:35,200investigator and here you have this

184301:27:31,510 --> 01:27:40,260opportunity with this exchange with the

184401:27:35,199 --> 01:27:43,179spirit and you ran out and she said I

184501:27:40,260 --> 01:27:46,739didn't think it was going to happen

184601:27:43,179 --> 01:27:50,859oh yeah I'd be the right kind of person

184701:27:46,738 --> 01:27:56,229who won't freak out no kidding no

184801:27:50,859 --> 01:27:59,920kidding how true are the stories down

184901:27:56,229 --> 01:28:02,229there Ellen when it comes to the spirits

185001:27:59,920 --> 01:28:06,130and the activity that is happening down

185101:28:02,229 --> 01:28:09,488there is it on a nightly basis I

185201:28:06,130 --> 01:28:11,880wouldn't say so no I mean even from a

1853


01:28:09,488 --> 01:28:14,709psychic perspective they're nights where

185401:28:11,880 --> 01:28:17,199the only thing I really feel is just the

185501:28:14,710 --> 01:28:19,960residual energy of so many people having

185601:28:17,198 --> 01:28:21,609moved through there and we what we are

185701:28:19,960 --> 01:28:23,980forgetting to mention are there were

185801:28:21,609 --> 01:28:26,619people who lived down there because

185901:28:23,979 --> 01:28:28,928there were Chinese Americans and there

186001:28:26,619 --> 01:28:32,140was a time where they above ground and

186101:28:28,929 --> 01:28:33,579so there's that energy down there too so

186201:28:32,140 --> 01:28:35,230sometimes we're you know got to

186301:28:33,579 --> 01:28:37,390recognize we are just in somebody's

186401:28:35,229 --> 01:28:39,779temporary home and so that's a different

186501:28:37,390 --> 01:28:43,210type of energy that we're dealing with

186601:28:39,779 --> 01:28:46,329mm-hmm that seems really interesting

186701:28:43,210 --> 01:28:48,130


very interesting indeed because one of

186801:28:46,329 --> 01:28:50,109the things and I want to do is I

186901:28:48,130 --> 01:28:52,480actually want to get down there and take

187001:28:50,109 --> 01:28:55,929the tour and I know a couple of other

187101:28:52,479 --> 01:28:59,619friends in Portland and it's funny

187201:28:55,929 --> 01:29:01,989because you have this city of what two

187301:28:59,619 --> 01:29:04,179two and a half million people in the

187401:29:01,988 --> 01:29:06,968city and the vicinity and yet there's a

187501:29:04,179 --> 01:29:09,158lot of people there who may have heard

187601:29:06,969 --> 01:29:13,090about it but really don't know what the

187701:29:09,158 --> 01:29:15,399experience is all about so are you are

187801:29:13,090 --> 01:29:18,100you trying hard down there Michael to

187901:29:15,399 --> 01:29:20,679try and get the word in the history of

188001:29:18,100 --> 01:29:23,140the tunnels into the own communities so

188101:29:20,679 --> 01:29:26,949it's just not an outsider's tourist


188201:29:23,140 --> 01:29:32,170attraction yeah here really that

188301:29:26,948 --> 01:29:35,488Portland has this thing about Sun about

188401:29:32,170 --> 01:29:38,679its past the established Portland

188501:29:35,488 --> 01:29:41,139doesn't want to recognize the Shanghai

188601:29:38,679 --> 01:29:44,829an exit took place of the on white

188701:29:41,140 --> 01:29:49,090slavery because it represented the bad

188801:29:44,829 --> 01:29:50,859part of Portland chanced and and they're

188901:29:49,090 --> 01:29:52,900they're afraid to deal with the past

189001:29:50,859 --> 01:29:56,789unlike San Francisco and they're staying

189101:29:52,899 --> 01:29:59,789mind they promote the heck out of it

189201:29:56,789 --> 01:30:02,670but Portland is very different but

189301:29:59,789 --> 01:30:08,229Portland has always been this Lane

189401:30:02,670 --> 01:30:10,359always in this way and and it's it's

189501:30:08,229 --> 01:30:13,419kind of interesting because we get a lot


189601:30:10,359 --> 01:30:16,179of word-of-mouth publicity we get people

189701:30:13,420 --> 01:30:18,279from Germany in places like that and I

189801:30:16,179 --> 01:30:19,840ask them a lot of these people I said

189901:30:18,279 --> 01:30:20,349how did you know about the Shanghai

190001:30:19,840 --> 01:30:23,289tunnels

190101:30:20,349 --> 01:30:25,869Oh my neighbor told me about it and

190201:30:23,289 --> 01:30:29,019that's it's all over now which is I

190301:30:25,868 --> 01:30:33,069think it is really really a good thing

190401:30:29,020 --> 01:30:38,199you know you know we're kind of flying

190501:30:33,069 --> 01:30:40,479under the radar of of the city who

190601:30:38,198 --> 01:30:43,089really doesn't want this promoted at all

190701:30:40,479 --> 01:30:43,779but it still being promoted in her own

190801:30:43,090 --> 01:30:46,480unique way

190901:30:43,779 --> 01:30:48,009and it is drawing people from around the

1910


01:30:46,479 --> 01:30:50,888world though mm-hmm

191101:30:48,010 --> 01:30:52,719annalisa when you have people coming

191201:30:50,889 --> 01:30:57,039into your tours is it kind of exciting

191301:30:52,719 --> 01:31:02,618to see where everybody is from oh my god

191401:30:57,039 --> 01:31:05,500that is that is the most filling and you

191501:31:02,618 --> 01:31:09,189know just to talk to them every person

191601:31:05,500 --> 01:31:11,560that checks in to one of our sewers we

191701:31:09,189 --> 01:31:14,408ask them you know where are you from how

191801:31:11,560 --> 01:31:17,650did you hear about us and it's so

191901:31:14,408 --> 01:31:19,238exciting on you know in talking to these

192001:31:17,649 --> 01:31:22,118people finding out where they're from

192101:31:19,238 --> 01:31:24,218and also how they heard about us you

192201:31:22,118 --> 01:31:28,539know we've had people like Michael was

192301:31:24,219 --> 01:31:32,980staying off from Germany Australia all

192401:31:28,539 --> 01:31:35,019


the other day that's all just all over I

192501:31:32,979 --> 01:31:37,029mean it's not just around this the u.s.

192601:31:35,020 --> 01:31:39,849it's all over the world that they've

192701:31:37,029 --> 01:31:42,698heard of it and that's it's just I'm

192801:31:39,849 --> 01:31:46,630just in awe and I love and some of them

192901:31:42,698 --> 01:31:49,658but their stories about what happens in

193001:31:46,630 --> 01:31:53,739their country and they're just very

193101:31:49,658 --> 01:31:56,859engaged and you know usually after we

193201:31:53,738 --> 01:31:59,468you know have our tours when our tours

193301:31:56,859 --> 01:32:01,509are over they these are the people that

193401:31:59,469 --> 01:32:06,189end up setting up to us a little bit

193501:32:01,510 --> 01:32:09,940longer how they were so thankful that

193601:32:06,189 --> 01:32:12,579you know a city like us and

193701:32:09,939 --> 01:32:16,419all those volunteers are keeping the

193801:32:12,579 --> 01:32:18,819history alive they love that a lot of


193901:32:16,420 --> 01:32:21,069countries say that a lot of their

194001:32:18,819 --> 01:32:24,488history is disappearing too you know

194101:32:21,069 --> 01:32:29,139it's fun to cooperate it's it's it's I

194201:32:24,488 --> 01:32:32,049love it it's such an amazing thing that

194301:32:29,140 --> 01:32:35,590I get to be pummelled in is being here

194401:32:32,050 --> 01:32:39,060this it's it's one of the most important

194501:32:35,590 --> 01:32:41,710things in my life and it makes me happy

194601:32:39,060 --> 01:32:43,630Michael how is important is it to try

194701:32:41,710 --> 01:32:46,810and get the message out about this part

194801:32:43,630 --> 01:32:49,300of history whether it's to people

194901:32:46,810 --> 01:32:51,789outside of the Portland area or whether

195001:32:49,300 --> 01:32:56,469it's to people say visiting from Germany

195101:32:51,789 --> 01:32:58,769or Australia or Japan well it is it's so

195201:32:56,469 --> 01:33:02,289important because part of this history


195301:32:58,770 --> 01:33:05,460lies in these other countries because

195401:33:02,289 --> 01:33:08,219the ships that came in these countries

195501:33:05,460 --> 01:33:10,539would you know purchase Shanghai meant

195601:33:08,219 --> 01:33:13,659it was interesting we just had a

195701:33:10,539 --> 01:33:16,210television crew from Spain come through

195801:33:13,659 --> 01:33:18,609yesterday wanted the film and the

195901:33:16,210 --> 01:33:23,050Shanghai tunnels because of the stories

196001:33:18,609 --> 01:33:25,899being heard and that was high - - the

196101:33:23,050 --> 01:33:29,409Spanish ships that purchased Shanghai

196201:33:25,899 --> 01:33:32,710met I think it's real important that we

196301:33:29,409 --> 01:33:34,448get a little bit of history from from

196401:33:32,710 --> 01:33:37,569from all these different people that

196501:33:34,448 --> 01:33:39,219that come through several years ago had

196601:33:37,569 --> 01:33:41,319a television crew from trying to come

1967


01:33:39,219 --> 01:33:43,689through and they were studying the

196801:33:41,319 --> 01:33:46,238history of the Chinese in Oregon and

196901:33:43,689 --> 01:33:47,738their oral history talked about the

197001:33:46,238 --> 01:33:51,218Shanghai tunnels so they had to come

197101:33:47,738 --> 01:33:53,079through and see it so it's real

197201:33:51,219 --> 01:33:55,390important you know there's there's so

197301:33:53,079 --> 01:33:59,260much information out there that we don't

197401:33:55,390 --> 01:34:04,090know yet about you know this past but

197501:33:59,260 --> 01:34:05,710also we're getting current history for

197601:34:04,090 --> 01:34:10,000example we're getting people from Russia

197701:34:05,710 --> 01:34:12,760come through and they say Shanghai is

197801:34:10,000 --> 01:34:15,039still going on there it cannot get

197901:34:12,760 --> 01:34:18,520enough men for the merchant ships today

198001:34:15,039 --> 01:34:20,948so they shanghaied them but once they're

198101:34:18,520 --> 01:34:23,590


aboard ship the do pay them but they're

198201:34:20,948 --> 01:34:26,558forced to stay aboard that ship

198301:34:23,590 --> 01:34:29,949and worth that voyage and that's

198401:34:26,559 --> 01:34:32,770modern-day that's incredible I had no

198501:34:29,948 --> 01:34:37,269idea that that was still happening no

198601:34:32,770 --> 01:34:39,699idea yeah it said you know human

198701:34:37,270 --> 01:34:41,590trafficking we want to use a delegate

198801:34:39,698 --> 01:34:44,500term it's happening all over the world

198901:34:41,590 --> 01:34:46,960in a different aspects and that was that

199001:34:44,500 --> 01:34:49,658was a new one on me I think that was

199101:34:46,960 --> 01:34:52,809still going on but I guess life aboard

199201:34:49,658 --> 01:34:56,979ship because of the isolation some of

199301:34:52,809 --> 01:34:58,420the brutality that takes place today you

199401:34:56,979 --> 01:35:00,129know probably on the Russian ships I

199501:34:58,420 --> 01:35:00,670guess people don't don't want to go on


199601:35:00,130 --> 01:35:06,210those ships

199701:35:00,670 --> 01:35:06,210so they shanghaied villain enforcement

199801:35:06,899 --> 01:35:12,069ladies when you hear this story of the

199901:35:09,550 --> 01:35:14,860history of basically you know kidnapping

200001:35:12,069 --> 01:35:16,988men right out of a bar in Portland

200101:35:14,859 --> 01:35:18,639taking them through the tunnels down to

200201:35:16,988 --> 01:35:22,000the docks and you know while they're

200301:35:18,639 --> 01:35:24,489drunk or passed out making sure that

200401:35:22,000 --> 01:35:27,488they are on those ships how many of

200501:35:24,488 --> 01:35:31,019those sailors have you had to deal with

200601:35:27,488 --> 01:35:34,419down there are there a lot of them there

200701:35:31,020 --> 01:35:36,340yes they are invest money would say that

200801:35:34,420 --> 01:35:40,389a lot of the pictures that we get

200901:35:36,340 --> 01:35:42,159submitted are pictures of the shame


201001:35:40,389 --> 01:35:44,679there's a lot of pictures of shanghaiers

201101:35:42,158 --> 01:35:49,269you can obviously tell that is the

201201:35:44,679 --> 01:35:51,279Shanghai ER and you feel that Ellen and

201301:35:49,270 --> 01:35:53,469I actually get told a lot there's a lot

201401:35:51,279 --> 01:35:56,019of psychic mediums that come down in our

201501:35:53,469 --> 01:35:58,328viewers just a couple of weeks ago there

201601:35:56,020 --> 01:36:00,579was one that said that there's one that

201701:35:58,328 --> 01:36:03,099follows us he's a he's a large man and

201801:36:00,578 --> 01:36:06,279he follows us another one that follows

201901:36:03,099 --> 01:36:10,000us says she said they he protected us

202001:36:06,279 --> 01:36:13,269but he you know somebody had said one

202101:36:10,000 --> 01:36:16,389medium had told me that to let me know

202201:36:13,270 --> 01:36:18,849that there's a lot of spirit shanghaiers

202301:36:16,389 --> 01:36:21,010that want to hurt me I mean this is on

2024


01:36:18,849 --> 01:36:23,590Alicia that's what they cite to me there

202501:36:21,010 --> 01:36:26,679is a lot of shanghaiers spirits down

202601:36:23,590 --> 01:36:30,010there that want to hurt you but then a

202701:36:26,679 --> 01:36:33,038man a spirit of a very large spirit

202801:36:30,010 --> 01:36:34,840watches over me and there's a woman's

202901:36:33,038 --> 01:36:37,389spirit as well which I believe it's

203001:36:34,840 --> 01:36:39,310still Niner but yeah

203101:36:37,390 --> 01:36:41,289I believe there's a lot of shanghaiers

203201:36:39,310 --> 01:36:44,770that are still down there and they're

203301:36:41,289 --> 01:36:47,319still wanting to Shanghai people that's

203401:36:44,770 --> 01:36:49,420how I feel anyway have you have Michael

203501:36:47,319 --> 01:36:52,479or on Alicia have you ever done a count

203601:36:49,420 --> 01:36:55,510on how many different spirits have been

203701:36:52,479 --> 01:36:59,889down there or is that just an impossible

203801:36:55,510 --> 01:37:02,020


number to try and get to I have never

203901:36:59,890 --> 01:37:05,289been caught up with that to tell you the

204001:37:02,020 --> 01:37:06,790truth but I taught me could I chronic

204101:37:05,289 --> 01:37:09,519could list a couple of things a couple

204201:37:06,789 --> 01:37:12,449of our children I wanted to tell you

204301:37:09,520 --> 01:37:16,290that that lately what's been happening

204401:37:12,449 --> 01:37:19,539some great photographs of full-body

204501:37:16,289 --> 01:37:22,750apparitions have been captured in in the

204601:37:19,539 --> 01:37:24,489Shanghai tunnels and which interesting

204701:37:22,750 --> 01:37:27,699this one individual that was

204801:37:24,489 --> 01:37:32,260photographed was dressed in old oil

204901:37:27,699 --> 01:37:34,269skins rain gear that the ship's they

205001:37:32,260 --> 01:37:37,470used to use on these old seven ships and

205101:37:34,270 --> 01:37:40,960he was photographed in the underground

205201:37:37,470 --> 01:37:46,920it's an amazing picture another picture


205301:37:40,960 --> 01:37:51,159was photographed by the trap door and

205401:37:46,920 --> 01:37:52,899it's a great photo and you think oh it

205501:37:51,159 --> 01:37:55,659must be a person even though no one's

205601:37:52,899 --> 01:37:58,359there and you look at closely

205701:37:55,659 --> 01:38:00,369it's floating his feet isn't touching

205801:37:58,359 --> 01:38:01,989the ground and a lot of these

205901:38:00,369 --> 01:38:04,750photographs you'll you will see that

206001:38:01,989 --> 01:38:09,849their feet is not touching the ground at

206101:38:04,750 --> 01:38:11,800all I think it would be interesting to

206201:38:09,850 --> 01:38:13,270actually do a head count of these

206301:38:11,800 --> 01:38:15,550spirits what do you got there ladies

206401:38:13,270 --> 01:38:19,390down there you know taking this a little

206501:38:15,550 --> 01:38:21,550bit more interesting like well I mean

206601:38:19,390 --> 01:38:24,910you could do it it's much the same way


206701:38:21,550 --> 01:38:28,029as they do it with with other animals or

206801:38:24,909 --> 01:38:30,189mammals or them damn sharks in the ocean

206901:38:28,029 --> 01:38:33,159because everybody's talking sharks no

207001:38:30,189 --> 01:38:35,219thing Thank You goatman in the space out

207101:38:33,159 --> 01:38:39,250radio chat room for starting that up

207201:38:35,220 --> 01:38:42,100appreciate that you know but that's a

207301:38:39,250 --> 01:38:45,609great idea I think it would be great to

207401:38:42,100 --> 01:38:48,360try and category who is down there and

207501:38:45,609 --> 01:38:51,039well I'd say it's going to be hard for

207601:38:48,359 --> 01:38:53,229example

207701:38:51,039 --> 01:38:55,000there's a spiritual personal attention

207801:38:53,229 --> 01:38:58,389the warring strains Indian Reservation

207901:38:55,000 --> 01:39:02,920and he when he comes through he does a

208001:38:58,390 --> 01:39:06,310ceremony and he does a ceremony in this

2081


01:39:02,920 --> 01:39:09,220one area where the spirits of those

208201:39:06,310 --> 01:39:11,890natives who had died being given the

208301:39:09,220 --> 01:39:16,300disease blankets are all there they hang

208401:39:11,890 --> 01:39:18,700around there and so there's hundreds

208501:39:16,300 --> 01:39:20,730there and then when he goes to this

208601:39:18,699 --> 01:39:24,159other section by the wolf's head tunnel

208701:39:20,729 --> 01:39:27,399he does another ceremony there and he

208801:39:24,159 --> 01:39:28,930says native people from from all all of

208901:39:27,399 --> 01:39:31,149the underground not just the sections

209001:39:28,930 --> 01:39:35,380we're in but all over for come and hear

209101:39:31,149 --> 01:39:38,920him sing his songs so that's I can ask

209201:39:35,380 --> 01:39:42,430him how many do you see but I love the

209301:39:38,920 --> 01:39:47,590idea taking a survey I love that ya

209401:39:42,430 --> 01:39:50,010never even thought of it that day who is

209501:39:47,590 --> 01:39:53,829


speaking because you were cutting out

209601:39:50,010 --> 01:39:56,560no that was annalisa and I said yes he's

209701:39:53,829 --> 01:39:59,010gonna make you that well as you should

209801:39:56,560 --> 01:40:01,480as you should

209901:39:59,010 --> 01:40:04,630yeah because some of these we have a

210001:40:01,479 --> 01:40:10,719good description or and suddenly have

210101:40:04,630 --> 01:40:13,210names I have one that that takes care of

210201:40:10,720 --> 01:40:18,220me by the trapdoor when one of my new

210301:40:13,210 --> 01:40:21,819volunteers is pulling the the trap

210401:40:18,220 --> 01:40:24,280that's a long time and if you don't do

210501:40:21,819 --> 01:40:27,549it the right time you can get hurt and

210601:40:24,279 --> 01:40:29,649what's interesting is that she has a

210701:40:27,550 --> 01:40:32,409notes of woman because I hear her

210801:40:29,649 --> 01:40:33,789screaming to my ear watch out watch out

210901:40:32,409 --> 01:40:35,590they're gonna pull the trapdoor and I


211001:40:33,789 --> 01:40:38,109turn around and turn up the raid the

211101:40:35,590 --> 01:40:39,460full at at the wrong time told that

211201:40:38,109 --> 01:40:45,279she's helped me about five different

211301:40:39,460 --> 01:40:47,199times so do you find then Ellen as we

211401:40:45,279 --> 01:40:50,019bring you back in do you find when

211501:40:47,199 --> 01:40:52,179you're down in in the tunnels here that

211601:40:50,020 --> 01:40:53,830there are certain spirits or certain

211701:40:52,180 --> 01:40:58,840energies that you are starting to

211801:40:53,829 --> 01:41:01,960recognize around you yeah a lot of

211901:40:58,840 --> 01:41:04,970people recognize women crying or babies

212001:41:01,960 --> 01:41:09,170crying that's not really something that

212101:41:04,970 --> 01:41:11,990I recognize I seem to see the shadow a

212201:41:09,170 --> 01:41:14,569lot near the booth and near the white

212301:41:11,989 --> 01:41:16,609flavor so I will walk away from that


212401:41:14,569 --> 01:41:18,380area when I'm setting up and I'll hear

212501:41:16,609 --> 01:41:21,589footsteps behind me and turn around and

212601:41:18,380 --> 01:41:23,690there's nothing there I often will be

212701:41:21,590 --> 01:41:25,130bringing up the back end of a tour and

212801:41:23,689 --> 01:41:28,569I'll think I have a straggler by the

212901:41:25,130 --> 01:41:32,000boots about three about three weeks ago

213001:41:28,569 --> 01:41:34,460there was a shadow of a man with kind of

213101:41:32,000 --> 01:41:37,550like Outback style hat and he was

213201:41:34,460 --> 01:41:39,890sitting cross-legged on the ledge next

213301:41:37,550 --> 01:41:41,840to where the boots are and I just I said

213401:41:39,890 --> 01:41:43,250okay like I thought he was the guy I've

213501:41:41,840 --> 01:41:45,409been kind of dragging along the back of

213601:41:43,250 --> 01:41:47,180the tour and then this shadow kind of

213701:41:45,409 --> 01:41:49,189shifted and wasn't there I would say I

2138


01:41:47,180 --> 01:41:52,070picked up on those two energies more

213901:41:49,189 --> 01:41:57,500than a lot of the common energies people

214001:41:52,069 --> 01:41:59,689talk about on Elisha how about yourself

214101:41:57,500 --> 01:42:01,489are you starting because you're down

214201:41:59,689 --> 01:42:03,829there quite a bit are you starting to

214301:42:01,489 --> 01:42:08,300actually recognize the energies or the

214401:42:03,829 --> 01:42:11,779spirits that are around you you know I

214501:42:08,300 --> 01:42:15,680have four years actually and I had an

214601:42:11,779 --> 01:42:20,059attachment to one of them named ina we

214701:42:15,680 --> 01:42:23,659talked about a a ghost variant her name

214801:42:20,060 --> 01:42:26,180was - was Klickitat Indian about 16 17

214901:42:23,659 --> 01:42:28,639years old she was taken from her family

215001:42:26,180 --> 01:42:31,270in the Columbia Gorge area and she was

215101:42:28,640 --> 01:42:34,010she was actually taken by white slavers

215201:42:31,270 --> 01:42:35,510


taken to the Shanghai tunnels Portland

215301:42:34,010 --> 01:42:36,380underground where she was sold into

215401:42:35,510 --> 01:42:40,130prostitution

215501:42:36,380 --> 01:42:42,319she works in about the 1880s and that's

215601:42:40,130 --> 01:42:45,500where she she worked and she actually

215701:42:42,319 --> 01:42:48,079died down there she was thrown down an

215801:42:45,500 --> 01:42:49,789elevator shaft to her death because she

215901:42:48,079 --> 01:42:51,949was trying to help the mission

216001:42:49,789 --> 01:42:55,279missionaries Christian missionaries came

216101:42:51,949 --> 01:42:57,229through old town was always it was

216201:42:55,279 --> 01:42:59,989always a place where you were born to

216301:42:57,229 --> 01:43:03,289stay out of and Christian missionaries

216401:42:59,989 --> 01:43:05,300came through they were trying to you

216501:43:03,289 --> 01:43:07,519know clean up Old Town they knew about

216601:43:05,300 --> 01:43:11,930shanghaiing a couple of them befriended


216701:43:07,520 --> 01:43:13,820her told her if she would help them get

216801:43:11,930 --> 01:43:15,920the information that they would need to

216901:43:13,819 --> 01:43:18,319stop the same kind they would save her

217001:43:15,920 --> 01:43:18,949they would help her well she knew she

217101:43:18,319 --> 01:43:20,779was taken

217201:43:18,949 --> 01:43:22,819but she naively gave them the

217301:43:20,779 --> 01:43:25,369information that they needed who in turn

217401:43:22,819 --> 01:43:27,710that easily gave the information to the

217501:43:25,369 --> 01:43:29,930police and back then you got to remember

217601:43:27,710 --> 01:43:31,760everybody was on the take you know

217701:43:29,930 --> 01:43:33,440everybody was on the payroll shanghaiing

217801:43:31,760 --> 01:43:36,739was big business and they spread it

217901:43:33,439 --> 01:43:38,689around so when they dropped - them named

218001:43:36,739 --> 01:43:40,189that basically soldier fate because days


218101:43:38,689 --> 01:43:43,579later she was turned down an elevator

218201:43:40,189 --> 01:43:46,189shaft to her death now growing up I've

218301:43:43,579 --> 01:43:48,470always you know people always think I'm

218401:43:46,189 --> 01:43:50,359Native American I've always had people

218501:43:48,470 --> 01:43:53,329saying things to me since I was five

218601:43:50,359 --> 01:43:55,549years old and when I started working in

218701:43:53,329 --> 01:43:57,739the Shanghai tunnels I was fine for a

218801:43:55,550 --> 01:44:00,890couple years until Ghost Adventures came

218901:43:57,739 --> 01:44:05,599and I played Mina in Ghost Adventures

219001:44:00,890 --> 01:44:09,560and from there on I was having dreams I

219101:44:05,600 --> 01:44:11,210was being her in my dreams seeing her

219201:44:09,560 --> 01:44:15,620everywhere I went to school my

219301:44:11,210 --> 01:44:18,260classmates would see her it just

219401:44:15,619 --> 01:44:21,309she's definitely with me today she's

2195


01:44:18,260 --> 01:44:25,909always with me but I've also seen

219601:44:21,310 --> 01:44:28,400shanghaiers down there as well and I

219701:44:25,909 --> 01:44:30,710think there's a new one lately that I've

219801:44:28,399 --> 01:44:32,960been feeling like something is going off

219901:44:30,710 --> 01:44:35,750around the boots usually that is a hot

220001:44:32,960 --> 01:44:41,510spot we do have a set of boots that were

220101:44:35,750 --> 01:44:43,579found that were the shanghaied and they

220201:44:41,510 --> 01:44:46,310say there's a portal around there but I

220301:44:43,579 --> 01:44:48,109feel like something is new it's starting

220401:44:46,310 --> 01:44:50,750to swing our buckets down there which

220501:44:48,109 --> 01:44:52,639has never been done before so I feel

220601:44:50,750 --> 01:44:56,300like there's something new as a new

220701:44:52,640 --> 01:44:58,400spirit that that's been created or I

220801:44:56,300 --> 01:44:59,779don't know how you say it but I feel

220901:44:58,399 --> 01:45:04,879


like there's something new down there

221001:44:59,779 --> 01:45:06,889and it's not a good one when you say

221101:45:04,880 --> 01:45:08,390it's not a good one is it because it's

221201:45:06,890 --> 01:45:12,530brand new and maybe just doesn't know

221301:45:08,390 --> 01:45:14,930the area as of yet or kind of lack of a

221401:45:12,529 --> 01:45:17,000better term the rules of the tours that

221501:45:14,930 --> 01:45:20,690go on from the other spirits do you

221601:45:17,000 --> 01:45:23,420think that's what it could be yeah that

221701:45:20,689 --> 01:45:25,250I I wouldn't rule that out I would say

221801:45:23,420 --> 01:45:28,190possibly it's just it whatever it is

221901:45:25,250 --> 01:45:29,569doesn't seem happy it doesn't maybe they

222001:45:28,189 --> 01:45:31,939were shanghaied I don't know it just

222101:45:29,569 --> 01:45:32,599seems a little bit choppy so you're

222201:45:31,939 --> 01:45:35,569right that

222301:45:32,599 --> 01:45:37,668would be I mean I wouldn't roll anything


222401:45:35,569 --> 01:45:40,488else at all if there's definitely

222501:45:37,668 --> 01:45:43,608something new going on like Michael was

222601:45:40,488 --> 01:45:46,428saying it's been extremely more active

222701:45:43,609 --> 01:45:49,039than usual the last couple months we're

222801:45:46,429 --> 01:45:52,368usually have things happen once in a

222901:45:49,038 --> 01:45:54,918while it's been every single now we're

223001:45:52,368 --> 01:45:56,238gonna take wait we're gonna get to a

223101:45:54,918 --> 01:45:56,779couple of questions here from our

223201:45:56,238 --> 01:45:58,908audience

223301:45:56,779 --> 01:46:02,300eric is asking in the space over radio

223401:45:58,908 --> 01:46:04,728chat room he's asking how much negative

223501:46:02,300 --> 01:46:06,739energy is still trapped down in those

223601:46:04,729 --> 01:46:10,878tunnels do you think Michael will aim

223701:46:06,738 --> 01:46:13,988that one at you well you know when you


223801:46:10,878 --> 01:46:17,118come through you can you you can feel it

223901:46:13,988 --> 01:46:21,438yeah there's there is negative energy

224001:46:17,118 --> 01:46:23,958but there's also there's another there's

224101:46:21,439 --> 01:46:30,099another kind of energy and it's an

224201:46:23,958 --> 01:46:34,158energy of hope for the future and a

224301:46:30,099 --> 01:46:38,599couple of the psychic mediums have come

224401:46:34,158 --> 01:46:44,958through and picked up on that and our

224501:46:38,599 --> 01:46:47,418tours have a big impact on that some of

224601:46:44,958 --> 01:46:49,938the the site convenience that comes

224701:46:47,418 --> 01:46:52,488through are are really affected heavily

224801:46:49,939 --> 01:46:56,030some cannot even be there more than just

224901:46:52,488 --> 01:46:58,728a few minutes affects them so so so hard

225001:46:56,029 --> 01:47:00,108because you know there there's that what

225101:46:58,729 --> 01:47:03,378happened to them with human abuse that

2252


01:47:00,109 --> 01:47:05,929it's worse it was misery but now here we

225301:47:03,378 --> 01:47:08,658come along and this history had been

225401:47:05,929 --> 01:47:12,439trapped in the in the darkness and

225501:47:08,658 --> 01:47:14,719shadows and no one wants what's wanted

225601:47:12,439 --> 01:47:17,689to talk about it they wanted to hide the

225701:47:14,719 --> 01:47:20,359tenets never happened and we come along

225801:47:17,689 --> 01:47:23,090and we're this ray of hope because

225901:47:20,359 --> 01:47:24,499educating people and making sure that

226001:47:23,090 --> 01:47:26,689they understand what happened in the

226101:47:24,498 --> 01:47:29,868past so you don't have it happen in the

226201:47:26,689 --> 01:47:35,300future but unfortunately it is happening

226301:47:29,868 --> 01:47:37,248today because Portland kept its it's

226401:47:35,300 --> 01:47:40,248evil past hidden wouldn't talk about it

226501:47:37,248 --> 01:47:43,389and today we had human trafficking which

226601:47:40,248 --> 01:47:45,979


unfortunately again is big business and

226701:47:43,389 --> 01:47:48,050there's a lot of victims

226801:47:45,979 --> 01:47:50,689so I don't know if I answered a question

226901:47:48,050 --> 01:47:56,619but yeah there's still negative energy

227001:47:50,689 --> 01:47:56,619there Renee are you done eating yet

227101:48:00,369 --> 01:48:05,449drilling pumpkin yes sir our whole

227201:48:03,470 --> 01:48:08,030audience can hear the tapping that is

227301:48:05,449 --> 01:48:09,710going on in the background as you're

227401:48:08,029 --> 01:48:11,210drilling your pumpkins make sure you got

227501:48:09,710 --> 01:48:16,939your guard goggles on because safety

227601:48:11,210 --> 01:48:18,439first right when you when you have gone

227701:48:16,939 --> 01:48:20,179down to the tunnels and I know you're

227801:48:18,439 --> 01:48:22,669the most inexperienced so this is why

227901:48:20,180 --> 01:48:26,119I'm posting this composing this question

228001:48:22,670 --> 01:48:29,359to you how do you feel as a newcomer to


228101:48:26,119 --> 01:48:32,960this going down into the tunnels and how

228201:48:29,359 --> 01:48:35,599like can you feel the energy or the the

228301:48:32,960 --> 01:48:39,529the denseness of the air or when you're

228401:48:35,600 --> 01:48:41,840down there well to be quite honest with

228501:48:39,529 --> 01:48:44,659you I haven't actually experienced that

228601:48:41,840 --> 01:48:47,420yet I'm going to be participating going

228701:48:44,659 --> 01:48:50,000down there very soon so I haven't had

228801:48:47,420 --> 01:48:53,810the opportunity that they have I have

228901:48:50,000 --> 01:48:55,729however done some filming for Michael in

229001:48:53,810 --> 01:48:57,740working with the awareness for sex

229101:48:55,729 --> 01:49:00,139trafficking and that's a very important

229201:48:57,739 --> 01:49:02,329issue and how it plays in with the

229301:49:00,140 --> 01:49:05,510Shanghai tunnels so that's kind of how I

229401:49:02,329 --> 01:49:07,640came into that part of it and I'm I'm a


229501:49:05,510 --> 01:49:09,230little inexperienced on going down there

229601:49:07,640 --> 01:49:13,369at this point but we're looking forward

229701:49:09,229 --> 01:49:17,359to going down there again I have some

229801:49:13,369 --> 01:49:19,430great features so yeah I haven't had

229901:49:17,359 --> 01:49:25,569that experience yet so you were gonna go

230001:49:19,430 --> 01:49:25,570down tonight oh yeah absolutely

230101:49:27,189 --> 01:49:36,529go ahead Mike her nickname is D Street

230201:49:33,789 --> 01:49:39,439and the reason is the fuckin D Street

230301:49:36,529 --> 01:49:43,909that she comes from an incredible family

230401:49:39,439 --> 01:49:45,710of that had won this this special

230501:49:43,909 --> 01:49:49,159Northwest rock-and-roll dance place

230601:49:45,710 --> 01:49:52,850called D Street or discrete corral and

230701:49:49,159 --> 01:49:55,489it is a part of the the part of the

230801:49:52,850 --> 01:49:57,440history of North s rockin in rock and

2309


01:49:55,489 --> 01:49:59,868roll in Portland Oregon and her family

231001:49:57,439 --> 01:50:02,388ran that place and so I predict

231101:49:59,868 --> 01:50:06,639because of all the great music that was

231201:50:02,389 --> 01:50:08,900created by like poverty and the Raiders

231301:50:06,639 --> 01:50:11,810phonics done in the good times the

231401:50:08,899 --> 01:50:14,509Redcoats all these incredible

231501:50:11,810 --> 01:50:17,210rock-and-roll bands from worthless their

231601:50:14,510 --> 01:50:20,989spirits are still tied to that D Street

231701:50:17,210 --> 01:50:22,340and now that that's gone she's going to

231801:50:20,988 --> 01:50:25,459carry that with there into the

231901:50:22,340 --> 01:50:27,739underground and music is so important in

232001:50:25,460 --> 01:50:29,960it underground and I predict she's going

232101:50:27,738 --> 01:50:31,789to have some great experiences and she's

232201:50:29,960 --> 01:50:34,550going to be in our museum quite a bit

232301:50:31,789 --> 01:50:37,579


Museum Shanghai tunnels and that is

232401:50:34,550 --> 01:50:39,440another place of spirits so I'm really

232501:50:37,579 --> 01:50:44,269looking forward to all the stories she's

232601:50:39,439 --> 01:50:46,848gonna be telling colors I think that's I

232701:50:44,270 --> 01:50:49,699think she's lucky Renee you're lucky D

232801:50:46,849 --> 01:50:58,039Street or B hi are you talking Delta or

232901:50:49,698 --> 01:50:59,569Bravo here B division yeah I've got my

233001:50:58,039 --> 01:51:02,000great aunt and uncle it's an incredible

233101:50:59,569 --> 01:51:04,880history that we have in Portland Oregon

233201:51:02,000 --> 01:51:06,560of historic rock and roll so I'm

233301:51:04,880 --> 01:51:08,090absolutely looking forward to my

233401:51:06,560 --> 01:51:09,860experiences and being able to bring that

233501:51:08,090 --> 01:51:13,369down there as well as I'm also a

233601:51:09,859 --> 01:51:16,279musician so maybe I'll have some extra

233701:51:13,368 --> 01:51:20,299sensory experiences based upon that so I


233801:51:16,279 --> 01:51:22,069would announce for you today I would

233901:51:20,300 --> 01:51:29,000love for you to perform in the

234001:51:22,069 --> 01:51:30,649underground yeah that would be amazing

234101:51:29,000 --> 01:51:33,289I think I kind of mentioned that a

234201:51:30,649 --> 01:51:34,819little bit to Ani and Ellen so it's kind

234301:51:33,289 --> 01:51:36,229of been in the back of my mind and in

234401:51:34,819 --> 01:51:39,319the work that that might be something

234501:51:36,229 --> 01:51:43,939that I I could put together I would

234601:51:39,319 --> 01:51:47,448really like to do that yeah you know

234701:51:43,939 --> 01:51:48,079music is such an important in all of our

234801:51:47,448 --> 01:51:52,059lives

234901:51:48,079 --> 01:51:55,639and also through history and we had one

235001:51:52,060 --> 01:51:57,349volunteer but still with us Cindy she

235101:51:55,639 --> 01:51:59,989went down and played her flute a couple


235201:51:57,349 --> 01:52:03,980times and always attracted things

235301:51:59,988 --> 01:52:06,500towards her so I think Renee's gonna

235401:52:03,979 --> 01:52:08,089have a some interesting experiences that

235501:52:06,500 --> 01:52:10,639would be great

235601:52:08,090 --> 01:52:13,059well renee has a little story about when

235701:52:10,639 --> 01:52:15,460she was going to take it to her

235801:52:13,059 --> 01:52:19,599yes well Ani thinks I should tell the

235901:52:15,460 --> 01:52:22,868story so go for I'm gonna cuz audience

236001:52:19,599 --> 01:52:25,809I'd like to tell it so we had made

236101:52:22,868 --> 01:52:28,170arrangements for me to go down take a

236201:52:25,809 --> 01:52:33,730tour and kind of familiarize myself with

236301:52:28,170 --> 01:52:39,550everything and I came down with the

236401:52:33,729 --> 01:52:42,609worst cold I've had in years and it had

236501:52:39,550 --> 01:52:45,940crossed my mind just ever so slightly

2366


01:52:42,609 --> 01:52:47,109that for some reason something was

236701:52:45,939 --> 01:52:49,839telling me that I shouldn't go down

236801:52:47,109 --> 01:52:52,630there and I had called my husband that

236901:52:49,840 --> 01:52:54,670day and told him you know I'm sick I you

237001:52:52,630 --> 01:52:56,139know I this is awful I'm not going to

237101:52:54,670 --> 01:52:58,328make it down to the tunnels and he goes

237201:52:56,139 --> 01:52:59,679well did you ever think that you know

237301:52:58,328 --> 01:53:01,840something might be telling you not to go

237401:52:59,679 --> 01:53:04,420down there and then again talk to Annie

237501:53:01,840 --> 01:53:06,159and she said exactly the same thing so

237601:53:04,420 --> 01:53:07,899there was something going on that

237701:53:06,158 --> 01:53:10,388particular time that I wasn't supposed

237801:53:07,899 --> 01:53:15,519to go down there for whatever reason but

237901:53:10,389 --> 01:53:18,270I'm healed and I'm ready to go do you

238001:53:15,520 --> 01:53:21,940


ladies when you go on an investigation

238101:53:18,270 --> 01:53:25,889protect yourself with anything spiritual

238201:53:21,939 --> 01:53:25,888so that way nothing gets attached to you

238301:53:26,760 --> 01:53:35,920yeah I think we all have our own

238401:53:30,090 --> 01:53:38,199protective rituals that we do we're

238501:53:35,920 --> 01:53:41,819trying to we're trying to initiate a

238601:53:38,198 --> 01:53:48,279little bit more into that that endeavor

238701:53:41,819 --> 01:53:49,868but yes you've opened it's good to be

238801:53:48,279 --> 01:53:52,300open but it's good to protect yourself

238901:53:49,868 --> 01:53:54,658as well so yes we all do have a some

239001:53:52,300 --> 01:53:57,130protective their clothes that we do

239101:53:54,658 --> 01:53:58,719Michael another question from Erik

239201:53:57,130 --> 01:54:02,469coming through for I'm gonna direct this

239301:53:58,719 --> 01:54:04,569one at you here how much does music

239401:54:02,469 --> 01:54:06,880change the energy in the tunnels does a


239501:54:04,569 --> 01:54:09,578music type of there's a type of music

239601:54:06,880 --> 01:54:12,389actually make a difference say rock and

239701:54:09,578 --> 01:54:18,639roll versus country versus classical

239801:54:12,389 --> 01:54:21,368well okay yes definitely and I want to

239901:54:18,639 --> 01:54:23,578reflect on some other music when my

240001:54:21,368 --> 01:54:26,828friend came through and saying his songs

240101:54:23,578 --> 01:54:31,328he's done this for five times now

240201:54:26,828 --> 01:54:35,799it really oh my god but feeling and the

240301:54:31,328 --> 01:54:38,728under gun is so amazing we haven't

240401:54:35,800 --> 01:54:41,699played rock and roll underground yet

240501:54:38,729 --> 01:54:44,499we've we've done some classical music

240601:54:41,698 --> 01:54:47,228some native traditional Native American

240701:54:44,498 --> 01:54:49,118music one of the things we're going to

240801:54:47,229 --> 01:54:51,878be doing and our investigations on the


240901:54:49,118 --> 01:54:55,029ground just playing different era type

241001:54:51,878 --> 01:54:57,788of music because you remember the

241101:54:55,029 --> 01:55:00,268Shanghai tunnels were being used when

241201:54:57,788 --> 01:55:04,478the shanghai in portland started in 1850

241301:55:00,269 --> 01:55:06,039went through 1941 so all those different

241401:55:04,479 --> 01:55:08,109eras of music and we're going to be

241501:55:06,038 --> 01:55:11,188experimenting to see what that not

241601:55:08,109 --> 01:55:13,389attracts so it's going to be interesting

241701:55:11,189 --> 01:55:15,338but we definitely want to try some

241801:55:13,389 --> 01:55:19,179rock'n'roll on the ground and see what

241901:55:15,338 --> 01:55:21,338that does i actually this is Ellen and I

242001:55:19,179 --> 01:55:23,469actually have to confess I've tried rock

242101:55:21,338 --> 01:55:26,708and roll down there back in August when

242201:55:23,469 --> 01:55:29,529I was in the new section I was obviously

2423


01:55:26,708 --> 01:55:32,918not violating the rules of noise level

242401:55:29,529 --> 01:55:33,488for the rich but I did play some rock

242501:55:32,918 --> 01:55:38,288and roll

242601:55:33,488 --> 01:55:42,788I played the WHO some Green Day I played

242701:55:38,288 --> 01:55:46,238some Rolling Stones from CCR and it did

242801:55:42,788 --> 01:55:48,550not make things very happy afterwards I

242901:55:46,238 --> 01:55:50,558didn't play it very long I kept feeling

243001:55:48,550 --> 01:55:53,889like somebody was standing behind me I

243101:55:50,559 --> 01:55:57,099think I got about 4 songs and I was done

243201:55:53,889 --> 01:55:58,929I was over it it just didn't feel worth

243301:55:57,099 --> 01:56:00,668it to me because it just felt like Cindy

243401:55:58,929 --> 01:56:05,408was watching the whole time I kind of

243501:56:00,668 --> 01:56:08,769play it so I just yeah I got a question

243601:56:05,408 --> 01:56:11,319for you ladies from Joe in the space so

243701:56:08,769 --> 01:56:13,179


radio SOR space travelers club he is

243801:56:11,319 --> 01:56:16,168asking and we'll all get your individual

243901:56:13,179 --> 01:56:18,719opinions on this do you think you ladies

244001:56:16,168 --> 01:56:21,878think pardon me

244101:56:18,719 --> 01:56:25,838dude does your team think that the

244201:56:21,878 --> 01:56:28,328spirits are drawn to you more because to

244301:56:25,838 --> 01:56:35,948men you would be less threatening than

244401:56:28,328 --> 01:56:39,608say a male ghost hunter I mean maybe or

244501:56:35,948 --> 01:56:40,659I think it would be more wanting to mess

244601:56:39,609 --> 01:56:42,880with us

244701:56:40,659 --> 01:56:46,239I doubt their opinion of women has

244801:56:42,880 --> 01:56:48,130improved greatly since their time yeah

244901:56:46,239 --> 01:56:51,519you know I don't know about intimidation

245001:56:48,130 --> 01:56:53,170so much as their ability hopefully to

245101:56:51,520 --> 01:56:54,610intimidate because their opinion of


245201:56:53,170 --> 01:56:58,119females obviously wouldn't have been

245301:56:54,609 --> 01:57:00,489great at that time mm-hmm

245401:56:58,119 --> 01:57:02,529so do you see a change in the attitude

245501:57:00,489 --> 01:57:11,289do you think that maybe you're treated

245601:57:02,529 --> 01:57:14,079worse then um I I think so but I don't

245701:57:11,289 --> 01:57:17,439think I don't think there's what I told

245801:57:14,079 --> 01:57:19,659you just recently about I feel like

245901:57:17,439 --> 01:57:23,799there's a new spirit down there and I

246001:57:19,659 --> 01:57:27,880don't think it's happy and I feel that

246101:57:23,800 --> 01:57:30,369it doesn't like women and I just have

246201:57:27,880 --> 01:57:33,340that feeling you know how you just sense

246301:57:30,369 --> 01:57:35,409something we're taught as human beings

246401:57:33,340 --> 01:57:38,020to always go with our gut feelings and

246501:57:35,409 --> 01:57:40,599the problem is with a lot of us human


246601:57:38,020 --> 01:57:44,050beings is we don't do that we go against

246701:57:40,600 --> 01:57:46,390but that's going and that is what I've

246801:57:44,050 --> 01:57:49,090been feeling and Ellen's been showing is

246901:57:46,390 --> 01:57:52,300that something is just not right in that

247001:57:49,090 --> 01:57:54,760section like it's it's not happy maybe

247101:57:52,300 --> 01:57:59,289it's because we are trying to raise

247201:57:54,760 --> 01:58:00,100awareness I am a human trafficking I'm a

247301:57:59,289 --> 01:58:03,670survivor

247401:58:00,100 --> 01:58:06,789and we have been raising more awareness

247501:58:03,670 --> 01:58:09,730than ever especially in our tours and I

247601:58:06,789 --> 01:58:11,590feel like a lot of spirits do not like

247701:58:09,729 --> 01:58:13,629that they don't like what we're doing I

247801:58:11,590 --> 01:58:15,940think because part of our purpose is to

247901:58:13,630 --> 01:58:18,250support survivors of abuse I'm a

2480


01:58:15,939 --> 01:58:20,439survivor of domestic abuse and I think

248101:58:18,250 --> 01:58:23,140that would that being our purpose it

248201:58:20,439 --> 01:58:25,569could be bringing out more angry spirits

248301:58:23,140 --> 01:58:28,210I really think that there's a male near

248401:58:25,569 --> 01:58:29,829the white flip cell that maybe was a

248501:58:28,210 --> 01:58:33,039Shanghai er because it just does not

248601:58:29,829 --> 01:58:35,289feel like a positive energy towards us I

248701:58:33,039 --> 01:58:38,289feel safe just because that's my belief

248801:58:35,289 --> 01:58:42,659system but I do feel like there's a

248901:58:38,289 --> 01:58:42,659newer stronger male energy in that area

249001:58:44,579 --> 01:58:48,390sticking with the ladies here on Alisha

249101:58:46,890 --> 01:58:53,940I'll start with you have you ever been

249201:58:48,390 --> 01:58:56,130attacked in the tunnels what do you when

249301:58:53,939 --> 01:58:59,219you say attack that you mean violently

249401:58:56,130 --> 01:59:02,789


like you know where what kind of level

249501:58:59,220 --> 01:59:06,659or well have you ever been scratched

249601:59:02,789 --> 01:59:08,670pushed kick bitten you know maybe you

249701:59:06,659 --> 01:59:12,269know had your hair pulled or anything

249801:59:08,670 --> 01:59:14,909along those lines yes I've had my hair

249901:59:12,270 --> 01:59:18,480pulled down there I've had my I've been

250001:59:14,909 --> 01:59:20,309scratched down there my butt has been

250101:59:18,479 --> 01:59:24,839spanked down there especially in the

250201:59:20,310 --> 01:59:30,000news section yeah I've been pushed a

250301:59:24,840 --> 01:59:33,869couple of times I've heard voices a

250401:59:30,000 --> 01:59:34,800little fast little story is this and all

250501:59:33,869 --> 01:59:37,019the volunteers

250601:59:34,800 --> 01:59:38,640witnessed this but I came down I always

250701:59:37,020 --> 01:59:41,130wear my hair in ponytails you know that

250801:59:38,640 --> 01:59:43,410I always wear my hair in ponytails and I


250901:59:41,130 --> 01:59:46,409came down and the minute I came down I

251001:59:43,409 --> 01:59:48,510felt this overwhelming and and that's

251101:59:46,409 --> 01:59:49,920how it is sometimes sometimes I go down

251201:59:48,510 --> 01:59:52,110there and I feel fine

251301:59:49,920 --> 01:59:54,000other times I go down there I don't feel

251401:59:52,109 --> 01:59:56,579so fine and it was one of those times

251501:59:54,000 --> 01:59:59,550where I didn't feel very good went down

251601:59:56,579 --> 02:00:02,460there and my right ponytail holder broke

251701:59:59,550 --> 02:00:04,770on in my hair and I was like okay faulty

251802:00:02,460 --> 02:00:06,899rubberband whatever so I put one in and

251902:00:04,770 --> 02:00:11,610I'm standing by the booth giving a tour

252002:00:06,899 --> 02:00:14,759and it breaks again and then so you know

252102:00:11,609 --> 02:00:18,239things pull my hair all the time I don't

252202:00:14,760 --> 02:00:19,470think it's anything malicious or


252302:00:18,239 --> 02:00:24,420anything like that I think it's more

252402:00:19,470 --> 02:00:26,280like playing with me and and that same

252502:00:24,420 --> 02:00:29,880day that I just told you about you know

252602:00:26,279 --> 02:00:31,679getting my rubber band broken when I

252702:00:29,880 --> 02:00:33,720went upstairs after keeping the tour I

252802:00:31,680 --> 02:00:34,770was talking to Cindy one of our other

252902:00:33,720 --> 02:00:37,470volunteers

253002:00:34,770 --> 02:00:39,450she's a tour guide as I was talking to

253102:00:37,470 --> 02:00:41,100her she actually thought and I felt it

253202:00:39,449 --> 02:00:44,250and the rubber band broke again these

253302:00:41,100 --> 02:00:46,230are new rubber bands then when I was

253402:00:44,250 --> 02:00:49,529talking to another tour guide that same

253502:00:46,229 --> 02:00:53,250night Dennis the other rubber band in my

253602:00:49,529 --> 02:00:55,439other hair broke in front of him then I

2537


02:00:53,250 --> 02:00:58,409wrote and see things follow you too

253802:00:55,439 --> 02:01:02,609you know that Dave things do follow you

253902:00:58,409 --> 02:01:03,989I went home you know my hair and right

254002:01:02,609 --> 02:01:06,420when I turned on the light

254102:01:03,989 --> 02:01:08,939my other rubberband broke in my hair and

254202:01:06,420 --> 02:01:13,170the light bulb exploded and when I say

254302:01:08,939 --> 02:01:14,609exploded it was so on that on that note

254402:01:13,170 --> 02:01:16,109I'm gonna cut you off right there we're

254502:01:14,609 --> 02:01:23,729gonna get back to it right after this

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262102:04:19,810 --> 02:04:25,450some cryptid UFO sightings to the

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272102:08:28,930 --> 02:08:33,530welcome back to space out radio tonight

272202:08:31,399 --> 02:08:35,659


I am your host Dave Scott good to have

272302:08:33,529 --> 02:08:37,069you along for the ride as we wrap up

272402:08:35,659 --> 02:08:39,769another week

272502:08:37,069 --> 02:08:42,559my bag is packed right after this show I

272602:08:39,770 --> 02:08:44,960am exiting I'm going to find my Zen and

272702:08:42,560 --> 02:08:48,140my Chi in the wilderness I'll maybe find

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276902:10:36,289 --> 02:10:41,869the final time we bring in on Alicia

277002:10:38,930 --> 02:10:44,119Rene and Ellen from haunted sleepovers

277102:10:41,869 --> 02:10:49,250thank you ladies for coming along for

277202:10:44,119 --> 02:10:51,649the ride thank you for having I'm having

277302:10:49,250 --> 02:10:53,689troubles right now getting Michael back

277402:10:51,649 --> 02:10:55,639on so Michael if you're listening I'm

277502:10:53,689 --> 02:10:58,969trying to call you as well I'm having a

277602:10:55,640 --> 02:11:02,270skype issue in regards to it so I am

277702:10:58,970 --> 02:11:04,460going to continue trying to connect here

277802:11:02,270 --> 02:11:07,430for some reason Skype is just wanting to

277902:11:04,460 --> 02:11:10,039


be a little bit of a of a jerk as it can

278002:11:07,430 --> 02:11:13,490be at time so Michael I will continue to

278102:11:10,039 --> 02:11:14,869try and end grab you here back on the

278202:11:13,489 --> 02:11:18,139line if you don't mind

278302:11:14,869 --> 02:11:22,340ladies one of the things that is very

278402:11:18,140 --> 02:11:24,710important is the fact that you are

278502:11:22,340 --> 02:11:28,220telling some very very true stories

278602:11:24,710 --> 02:11:31,239about human trafficking as to the reason

278702:11:28,220 --> 02:11:37,940that is a huge part of Portland's

278802:11:31,239 --> 02:11:42,289forbidden history yeah definitely

278902:11:37,939 --> 02:11:44,539where were you talk to you but we're

279002:11:42,289 --> 02:11:46,189number one in the nation currently in

279102:11:44,539 --> 02:11:50,239the nation we're number one as San

279202:11:46,189 --> 02:11:53,210Francisco's a close second so it's

279302:11:50,239 --> 02:11:56,059pretty it's a huge problem what happened


279402:11:53,210 --> 02:11:57,980was when it stops running underground it

279502:11:56,060 --> 02:12:01,340simply went above ground and it went

279602:11:57,979 --> 02:12:04,129East particularly along 82nd and further

279702:12:01,340 --> 02:12:06,170east as an educator in East Portland

279802:12:04,130 --> 02:12:09,949particularly in the high schools it is

279902:12:06,170 --> 02:12:11,659very hard to find out you have one of

280002:12:09,949 --> 02:12:13,309those students who has been traffic and

280102:12:11,659 --> 02:12:15,680it's trying to get their life back and

280202:12:13,310 --> 02:12:17,780they have a particular set of needs that

280302:12:15,680 --> 02:12:20,450the schools can't take care of and

280402:12:17,779 --> 02:12:22,399that's something that very few people in

280502:12:20,449 --> 02:12:24,050the city realized that a good portion of

280602:12:22,399 --> 02:12:26,479the high schoolers in East Portland have

280702:12:24,050 --> 02:12:28,190either come close to being trafficked or


280802:12:26,479 --> 02:12:29,989been trafficked in their lifetime or

280902:12:28,189 --> 02:12:34,460their parents may have been trafficked

281002:12:29,989 --> 02:12:39,229or sibling I'm still amazed that that is

281102:12:34,460 --> 02:12:42,560going on mm-hmm yeah it's they think

281202:12:39,229 --> 02:12:46,039that it is so high here in Portland it's

281302:12:42,560 --> 02:12:47,300because of our I five corridors we are

281402:12:46,039 --> 02:12:49,519close to

281502:12:47,300 --> 02:12:54,050it's easy to go to Canada it's easy to

281602:12:49,520 --> 02:12:58,550go to Mexico LA San Francisco in Vegas

281702:12:54,050 --> 02:13:01,730as well you know we had a tumor goer

281802:12:58,550 --> 02:13:04,820tell us that they had stopped at a rest

281902:13:01,729 --> 02:13:08,419area off of i-5 and they noticed that

282002:13:04,819 --> 02:13:11,420they had flyers of awareness for human

282102:13:08,420 --> 02:13:14,779trafficking so when I heard that I

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02:13:11,420 --> 02:13:17,810myself went to one of these rest areas

282302:13:14,779 --> 02:13:20,960and did find that they were raising

282402:13:17,810 --> 02:13:27,320awareness you know it was called like a

282502:13:20,960 --> 02:13:29,329heist Highway Safety Awareness they just

282602:13:27,319 --> 02:13:31,250wanted people to know that you know

282702:13:29,329 --> 02:13:34,670human trafficking is a major problem

282802:13:31,250 --> 02:13:36,979here and what to look out for they used

282902:13:34,670 --> 02:13:39,440to go for they still do they go for a

283002:13:36,979 --> 02:13:41,449lot of children young boys young girls

283102:13:39,439 --> 02:13:43,909young women but now they're also

283202:13:41,449 --> 02:13:46,340targeting older women as well so

283302:13:43,909 --> 02:13:48,079nobody's really safe no I knew of an

283402:13:46,340 --> 02:13:50,150instance where a little girl got a new

283502:13:48,079 --> 02:13:51,500stepfather when she was 8 she thought he

283602:13:50,149 --> 02:13:53,179


was a great stepdad he'd take her to

283702:13:51,500 --> 02:13:55,130Walmart and she got a toy if she played

283802:13:53,180 --> 02:13:56,900nice with other kids in a Walmart she

283902:13:55,130 --> 02:13:59,119didn't find out till she was 12 that was

284002:13:56,899 --> 02:14:01,039because she was luring them away so his

284102:13:59,119 --> 02:14:03,739brother can grab them and sell them and

284202:14:01,039 --> 02:14:05,750when she was 12 they sold her and for

284302:14:03,739 --> 02:14:08,989four years she was trafficked until she

284402:14:05,750 --> 02:14:10,489got out and she would cry and say she

284502:14:08,989 --> 02:14:15,349was going to hell because she did that

284602:14:10,489 --> 02:14:20,510job for her stepdad yeah yeah it is a

284702:14:15,350 --> 02:14:23,180very real thing out here that is really

284802:14:20,510 --> 02:14:26,739a sad story ladies that is going on down

284902:14:23,180 --> 02:14:31,310there and where are they taking these

285002:14:26,739 --> 02:14:33,349women or even men for that well what


285102:14:31,310 --> 02:14:35,300they're doing is they're they're not

285202:14:33,350 --> 02:14:38,870keeping them here actually some of them

285302:14:35,300 --> 02:14:42,619do stay here but what they do is they

285402:14:38,869 --> 02:14:45,109move them to other cities therefore they

285502:14:42,619 --> 02:14:46,729feel that that is the best way because

285602:14:45,109 --> 02:14:48,559then they can't run back to their

285702:14:46,729 --> 02:14:50,419families they can't go home it's not

285802:14:48,560 --> 02:14:54,200easy for them to get a hold of anybody

285902:14:50,420 --> 02:14:56,270so once they do traffic these people

286002:14:54,199 --> 02:14:57,979they usually do not stay in the city

286102:14:56,270 --> 02:14:59,630that they were trafficked if they keep

286202:14:57,979 --> 02:15:00,768them in the city they do so by getting

286302:14:59,630 --> 02:15:03,349them addictive into some

286402:15:00,769 --> 02:15:04,729things like meth or crack so that they


286502:15:03,349 --> 02:15:06,739feel like they can't go back to their

286602:15:04,729 --> 02:15:08,088families and they have an addiction also

286702:15:06,738 --> 02:15:10,998it's very common they take their IDs

286802:15:08,088 --> 02:15:12,618anything that they have that well

286902:15:10,998 --> 02:15:17,599another family and it's actually

287002:15:12,618 --> 02:15:20,868bullying as well bullying meaning you

287102:15:17,599 --> 02:15:24,439know threatened them also make sure that

287202:15:20,868 --> 02:15:27,408they feel like they're less than that

287302:15:24,439 --> 02:15:30,079they're not worth anything so there's

287402:15:27,408 --> 02:15:31,998many methods to that it's not just drugs

287502:15:30,078 --> 02:15:34,158and getting them hooked on that I mean

287602:15:31,998 --> 02:15:36,769yeah that is part of it but there's

287702:15:34,158 --> 02:15:39,978other ways of luring them to kind of

287802:15:36,769 --> 02:15:42,409basically what we the reason why we got

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02:15:39,979 --> 02:15:44,449into this whole human trafficking is for

288002:15:42,408 --> 02:15:46,998a lot of reasons but one is that we do

288102:15:44,448 --> 02:15:50,058talk about white slavery in the Shanghai

288202:15:46,998 --> 02:15:53,748tunnels now white slavery is basically

288302:15:50,059 --> 02:15:55,579what human trafficking is today we felt

288402:15:53,748 --> 02:15:58,849like we can't give tours and talk about

288502:15:55,578 --> 02:16:01,268the past of white slavery in Shanghai

288602:15:58,849 --> 02:16:03,708when it still basically happens today

288702:16:01,269 --> 02:16:05,779but obviously there's a new name is

288802:16:03,708 --> 02:16:08,568human trafficking it's not white slavery

288902:16:05,779 --> 02:16:10,579anymore so it's it's just different

289002:16:08,569 --> 02:16:12,949methods it's different ways it's really

289102:16:10,578 --> 02:16:14,898nothing's really changed what's really

289202:16:12,948 --> 02:16:17,808interesting about that is like I said

289302:16:14,899 --> 02:16:20,119


we're about basically number one in

289402:16:17,809 --> 02:16:22,609human traffic drop trafficking in

289502:16:20,118 --> 02:16:25,009Portland Oregon and San Francisco is a

289602:16:22,609 --> 02:16:26,989close second well back in the day we

289702:16:25,010 --> 02:16:29,029were number one for shanghaiing San

289802:16:26,988 --> 02:16:30,788Francisco was a close second so

289902:16:29,029 --> 02:16:33,590nothing's really changed

290002:16:30,788 --> 02:16:36,049so like there's this new names and

290102:16:33,590 --> 02:16:38,719there's new methods of doing it but it's

290202:16:36,049 --> 02:16:41,299still basically it's the same nothing's

290302:16:38,718 --> 02:16:43,669really changed and it's a huge problem

290402:16:41,299 --> 02:16:46,429especially in Portland Oregon there's no

290502:16:43,670 --> 02:16:50,750funding we have one officer in charge

290602:16:46,429 --> 02:16:52,340his name's Keith Bickford so it's really

290702:16:50,750 --> 02:16:56,420sad we're number one and there's no


290802:16:52,340 --> 02:16:58,818human there's no funding and we're

290902:16:56,420 --> 02:17:01,420they're very understaffed and also when

291002:16:58,818 --> 02:17:04,068victims do come forward they're

291102:17:01,420 --> 02:17:06,710discriminated against they look at their

291202:17:04,068 --> 02:17:09,948past you know trying to contradict

291302:17:06,709 --> 02:17:11,778everything and so a lot of people don't

291402:17:09,949 --> 02:17:13,760come forward because they're worried

291502:17:11,779 --> 02:17:14,670about either their past or that people

291602:17:13,760 --> 02:17:18,750won't believe

291702:17:14,670 --> 02:17:22,229and like I said it's a very sad

291802:17:18,750 --> 02:17:24,360situation and a huge problem and it's

291902:17:22,229 --> 02:17:28,369getting worse I'm sorry to say that it's

292002:17:24,360 --> 02:17:31,860it's getting really bad so how does

292102:17:28,370 --> 02:17:34,230ghost hunting were investigating the


292202:17:31,860 --> 02:17:39,900Shanghai tunnels bring attention to this

292302:17:34,229 --> 02:17:42,119epidemic problem well first of all it

292402:17:39,899 --> 02:17:43,889does in the Shanghai tunnels you know we

292502:17:42,120 --> 02:17:46,680talk about spirits that are down there

292602:17:43,889 --> 02:17:48,750one of them was Nina she was basically

292702:17:46,680 --> 02:17:51,360if you think about it she was human

292802:17:48,750 --> 02:17:55,860tropics she was taken by white slavers

292902:17:51,360 --> 02:17:58,319and she was sold into prostitution now

293002:17:55,860 --> 02:17:59,850there were a lot what a lot of people

293102:17:58,319 --> 02:18:03,000don't realize down in the shanghai

293202:17:59,850 --> 02:18:05,880tunnels and a lot of women died down

293302:18:03,000 --> 02:18:09,540there shanghaiing was a big business

293402:18:05,879 --> 02:18:12,119though was there was prostitution so

293502:18:09,540 --> 02:18:15,210they needed these white slavers to get

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02:18:12,120 --> 02:18:18,870these women to help them Shanghai these

293702:18:15,209 --> 02:18:21,149men and so what they would do is it's a

293802:18:18,870 --> 02:18:23,940very sad situation but what they would

293902:18:21,149 --> 02:18:25,770do is they would kidnap these women now

294002:18:23,940 --> 02:18:29,010women did not hang around saloons back

294102:18:25,770 --> 02:18:30,720then they hung around they were either

294202:18:29,010 --> 02:18:32,819home with their families or they went to

294302:18:30,719 --> 02:18:35,189restaurants things like that so they

294402:18:32,819 --> 02:18:37,409would kidnap these women then they would

294502:18:35,190 --> 02:18:38,970take them to the underground now a lot

294602:18:37,409 --> 02:18:40,680of these women that were taken in

294702:18:38,969 --> 02:18:43,739Portland back in the day in white

294802:18:40,680 --> 02:18:45,841slavery day they were not kept here they

294902:18:43,739 --> 02:18:47,520were sent to different ports because

295002:18:45,841 --> 02:18:49,260


they didn't want these women to have a

295102:18:47,520 --> 02:18:50,729support system or go back to their

295202:18:49,260 --> 02:18:53,700families kind of like what we talked

295302:18:50,729 --> 02:18:55,350about before so what they would do when

295402:18:53,700 --> 02:18:57,690we would get women from different white

295502:18:55,350 --> 02:19:00,569slavers they would put these women in a

295602:18:57,690 --> 02:19:02,700holding cell one woman at a time

295702:19:00,569 --> 02:19:06,270now these holding cells were basically

295802:19:02,700 --> 02:19:09,360closet size they didn't get a chair or a

295902:19:06,270 --> 02:19:11,700light or a bucket for latrine and they

296002:19:09,360 --> 02:19:15,510were in there in that holding cell for

296102:19:11,700 --> 02:19:17,250about 24 to 48 hours that was called

296202:19:15,510 --> 02:19:19,079breaking a woman's spirit that was

296302:19:17,250 --> 02:19:20,459enough time to let these women know that

296402:19:19,079 --> 02:19:22,559they were never going to go back home


296502:19:20,459 --> 02:19:24,899again they were never going to see their

296602:19:22,559 --> 02:19:27,920family and this is the way it's going to

296702:19:24,899 --> 02:19:32,090be now a lot of these women were B E

296802:19:27,920 --> 02:19:35,079so once a woman was into prostitution

296902:19:32,090 --> 02:19:37,609back in the day that's where she stayed

297002:19:35,079 --> 02:19:40,158if she got pregnant remember there was

297102:19:37,609 --> 02:19:42,318no birth control back then that baby

297202:19:40,158 --> 02:19:44,209would be born when that was baby was old

297302:19:42,318 --> 02:19:46,158enough to be sold that baby was or that

297402:19:44,209 --> 02:19:49,329child was sold and they would end up

297502:19:46,158 --> 02:19:52,579working down there as well so really

297602:19:49,329 --> 02:19:54,500like I said we we felt like we could not

297702:19:52,579 --> 02:19:56,779do the chores and talk about the past

297802:19:54,500 --> 02:20:00,738when it was still basically going on


297902:19:56,779 --> 02:20:02,988today so as an organization cascade

298002:20:00,738 --> 02:20:05,959Geographic Society who we volunteer for

298102:20:02,988 --> 02:20:08,209which is founded by Michael P Jones we

298202:20:05,959 --> 02:20:12,879have been raising awareness for the past

298302:20:08,209 --> 02:20:15,469three years so we're pretty proud of it

298402:20:12,879 --> 02:20:19,278we've we've done a lot we've had a

298502:20:15,469 --> 02:20:21,260couple events raising money Rene was

298602:20:19,279 --> 02:20:24,319just talking about that but Rene and I

298702:20:21,260 --> 02:20:27,020just thought Alecia by the way we have

298802:20:24,318 --> 02:20:29,350been filming with Michael doing

298902:20:27,020 --> 02:20:31,850reenactment scenes for a documentary

299002:20:29,350 --> 02:20:34,699breaking through the silence which is

299102:20:31,850 --> 02:20:36,408about human trafficking we are filming

299202:20:34,699 --> 02:20:39,500we're going to be filming more of that

2993


02:20:36,408 --> 02:20:41,600in the future but it's really important

299402:20:39,500 --> 02:20:43,430to raise this awareness because it's not

299502:20:41,600 --> 02:20:45,710just Portland but it's all over the US

299602:20:43,430 --> 02:20:49,068and actually all over the world and it's

299702:20:45,709 --> 02:20:51,709growing it's huge money for these human

299802:20:49,068 --> 02:20:53,600traffickers it's big money and they're

299902:20:51,709 --> 02:20:57,259they're getting really good and clever

300002:20:53,600 --> 02:21:01,068and they're going to school also college

300102:20:57,260 --> 02:21:02,898career schools again they're not just

300202:21:01,068 --> 02:21:05,000targeting young women and young men

300302:21:02,898 --> 02:21:10,639they're also targeting older women as

300402:21:05,000 --> 02:21:14,059well how many women a year do you think

300502:21:10,639 --> 02:21:17,539disappear in the Portland area or that

300602:21:14,059 --> 02:21:20,898are shanghaied well you got to remember

300702:21:17,540 --> 02:21:23,180


that well back in the day shanghaied

300802:21:20,898 --> 02:21:28,719they were recording just men being

300902:21:23,180 --> 02:21:32,720shanghaied back in the day it was 1882

301002:21:28,719 --> 02:21:35,89891941 they were documenting 3,000 people

301102:21:32,719 --> 02:21:38,228missing a year that was what could be

301202:21:35,898 --> 02:21:41,000you know and back then you know

301302:21:38,228 --> 02:21:41,810recordings weren't that great so that is

301402:21:41,000 --> 02:21:43,909just

301502:21:41,810 --> 02:21:47,449an idea of how many people were missing

301602:21:43,909 --> 02:21:50,209a year just out of Portland now a lot of

301702:21:47,450 --> 02:21:52,101the men and a lot of these women were

301802:21:50,209 --> 02:21:56,000not Portland residents that's why when

301902:21:52,101 --> 02:21:58,280it went on for so long because a lot of

302002:21:56,000 --> 02:22:01,370people that came here were drifters

302102:21:58,280 --> 02:22:02,960transit people looking for jobs and


302202:22:01,370 --> 02:22:05,450their families were used to them being

302302:22:02,959 --> 02:22:09,169gone for long periods of time however

302402:22:05,450 --> 02:22:11,300women they weren't and so there's not a

302502:22:09,170 --> 02:22:13,819lot of documentation about how many

302602:22:11,299 --> 02:22:19,369women were missing but it was mostly the

302702:22:13,819 --> 02:22:22,789men that were missing that is a very

302802:22:19,370 --> 02:22:25,280very scary story because you don't think

302902:22:22,790 --> 02:22:29,960that today's day and age that kidnapping

303002:22:25,280 --> 02:22:32,120and extortion of sorts of people would

303102:22:29,959 --> 02:22:35,919be continuing in such a modern society

303202:22:32,120 --> 02:22:38,360but I guess it's one of those hidden

303302:22:35,920 --> 02:22:42,021cruelties that happens to a lot of

303402:22:38,360 --> 02:22:43,971people well and a lot of victims don't

303502:22:42,021 --> 02:22:47,360come forward that's the that's the thing


303602:22:43,970 --> 02:22:51,350it's you know they they're very scared

303702:22:47,360 --> 02:22:52,790these guys yeah or ashamed they're

303802:22:51,351 --> 02:22:55,641worried that people aren't going to

303902:22:52,790 --> 02:22:58,250believe them or you know that they're

304002:22:55,640 --> 02:23:01,670you know it was their fault that's a lot

304102:22:58,250 --> 02:23:04,370of it that's their fault and I even

304202:23:01,670 --> 02:23:06,379heard some situations that they do try

304302:23:04,370 --> 02:23:09,050to report it and they don't believe them

304402:23:06,379 --> 02:23:10,549that there's you know they call the

304502:23:09,049 --> 02:23:12,409police and they don't believe them I've

304602:23:10,549 --> 02:23:14,720heard all these different stories since

304702:23:12,409 --> 02:23:16,909I've been raising awareness and helping

304802:23:14,720 --> 02:23:19,761with this last couple years I've heard

304902:23:16,909 --> 02:23:21,021it all and it's very sad and they get

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02:23:19,761 --> 02:23:26,030away with it and that's it's just

305102:23:21,021 --> 02:23:28,311getting worse and worse and worse that

305202:23:26,030 --> 02:23:30,681is just like I'm sitting here you know

305302:23:28,310 --> 02:23:32,319as a father and I'm thinking jeez that

305402:23:30,681 --> 02:23:38,149that's my worst nightmare

305502:23:32,319 --> 02:23:41,060you know there's yeah and you know I I

305602:23:38,149 --> 02:23:44,859just came out myself about actually

305702:23:41,060 --> 02:23:48,890about a month ago I am a survivor myself

305802:23:44,860 --> 02:23:51,530it happened to me two years ago I was

305902:23:48,890 --> 02:23:55,609actually going to school and after a

306002:23:51,530 --> 02:23:58,850divorce I decided to re-educate myself

306102:23:55,609 --> 02:24:01,309and go to school and I ended up trying

306202:23:58,850 --> 02:24:05,030to help this this person I met at school

306302:24:01,309 --> 02:24:09,379and he ended up human trafficking me and

306402:24:05,030 --> 02:24:13,909


so um I was very lucky and I got out

306502:24:09,379 --> 02:24:18,108when I did long situation long story but

306602:24:13,909 --> 02:24:21,439um you know I just I I really relate to

306702:24:18,109 --> 02:24:24,500a lot of these women because you know I

306802:24:21,439 --> 02:24:28,790mean you know that I am a reenactment

306902:24:24,500 --> 02:24:31,040actress I do act I do you know I model

307002:24:28,790 --> 02:24:34,450and so I was worried that people weren't

307102:24:31,040 --> 02:24:36,859gonna believe me and so but that's how

307202:24:34,450 --> 02:24:39,079you know that's how a lot of victims

307302:24:36,859 --> 02:24:41,720feel that it was their fault because I I

307402:24:39,079 --> 02:24:43,609felt like it was my fault that I didn't

307502:24:41,719 --> 02:24:45,829pay attention that you know I should

307602:24:43,609 --> 02:24:49,670have done this I should have done this

307702:24:45,829 --> 02:24:52,728and and I was really worried about

307802:24:49,670 --> 02:24:57,290telling a lot of my family I lost a lot


307902:24:52,728 --> 02:24:59,779of friends but then you know I came out

308002:24:57,290 --> 02:25:03,170about a couple weeks ago two months ago

308102:24:59,780 --> 02:25:04,880and told my family and they were very

308202:25:03,170 --> 02:25:07,010supportive my friends have been very

308302:25:04,879 --> 02:25:09,829supportive Michael's been very

308402:25:07,010 --> 02:25:10,489supportive when I was filming with Ghost

308502:25:09,829 --> 02:25:15,318Adventures

308602:25:10,489 --> 02:25:18,318aftershocks Zak and Aaron all of them

308702:25:15,318 --> 02:25:21,648are very supportive we did a documentary

308802:25:18,318 --> 02:25:24,170and I feel really good about it they did

308902:25:21,648 --> 02:25:25,939change the story but at the time my

309002:25:24,170 --> 02:25:29,478human trafficker was alive he's actually

309102:25:25,939 --> 02:25:33,170passed away now and I feel a little safe

309202:25:29,478 --> 02:25:35,539to talk about it but it's it's very hard


309302:25:33,170 --> 02:25:38,450for me to talk about this still but it's

309402:25:35,540 --> 02:25:41,390it's I feel still embarrassed and

309502:25:38,450 --> 02:25:45,109ashamed but then on the other side of it

309602:25:41,389 --> 02:25:48,648I'm pretty proud that I came out and I

309702:25:45,109 --> 02:25:52,609feel I'm a very strong person coming out

309802:25:48,648 --> 02:25:55,369and being honest and and trying to help

309902:25:52,609 --> 02:25:57,770other people so that makes me feel

310002:25:55,370 --> 02:25:59,329really good too and that I don't have to

310102:25:57,770 --> 02:26:02,810hide anymore and keep this secret

310202:25:59,329 --> 02:26:04,250anymore well thank you for sharing that

310302:26:02,809 --> 02:26:06,500with our audience I mean that's

310402:26:04,250 --> 02:26:10,189something that I didn't even know

310502:26:06,500 --> 02:26:12,760and that is very very powerful for you

310602:26:10,189 --> 02:26:16,520to make a statement like that my dear

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02:26:12,760 --> 02:26:18,950well and I I did it you know I knew I

310802:26:16,520 --> 02:26:22,010was going to talk about this my group a

310902:26:18,950 --> 02:26:24,170Renee and Ella knew and I wanted to do

311002:26:22,010 --> 02:26:27,950this on your show because you know we're

311102:26:24,170 --> 02:26:31,219friends and you know I'm just I'm tired

311202:26:27,950 --> 02:26:33,229of hiding the secret for so long and you

311302:26:31,219 --> 02:26:35,750know I know is it's a private matter but

311402:26:33,228 --> 02:26:39,949if I can help another person I will and

311502:26:35,750 --> 02:26:42,170so Michael's been letting me you know be

311602:26:39,950 --> 02:26:44,300one of the advocates you know about

311702:26:42,170 --> 02:26:48,290talking about it and raising awareness

311802:26:44,299 --> 02:26:51,379and getting out there and just you know

311902:26:48,290 --> 02:26:53,810having people having victims not be

312002:26:51,379 --> 02:26:57,318ashamed to come forward and they we all

312102:26:53,809 --> 02:27:00,289


have past we've all done things and not

312202:26:57,318 --> 02:27:02,269let that you know it's just we always as

312302:27:00,290 --> 02:27:04,689a so that society worry about what

312402:27:02,270 --> 02:27:07,939people think all the time you know but

312502:27:04,689 --> 02:27:11,238but we have souls and it feels good to

312602:27:07,939 --> 02:27:13,220be honest and let go and not worry about

312702:27:11,238 --> 02:27:16,488what people think and you know what

312802:27:13,219 --> 02:27:19,068you're saying is the truth and it feels

312902:27:16,488 --> 02:27:21,228good just to let it out you know because

313002:27:19,068 --> 02:27:23,510it's very hard to hide a secret like

313102:27:21,228 --> 02:27:25,760that and you know you're upset you're

313202:27:23,510 --> 02:27:27,950you're depressed and nobody understands

313302:27:25,760 --> 02:27:31,068why because you haven't really been

313402:27:27,950 --> 02:27:32,960honest why and especially being a

313502:27:31,068 --> 02:27:35,359Catholic girl you know I was raised very


313602:27:32,959 --> 02:27:37,778strict Catholic and you know we're

313702:27:35,359 --> 02:27:41,300taught to do this and do that and not

313802:27:37,779 --> 02:27:46,488not you know you know keep everything

313902:27:41,299 --> 02:27:49,369inside and you know not you know put

314002:27:46,488 --> 02:27:52,609attention towards yourself and so it

314102:27:49,370 --> 02:27:54,680just feels really good I feel like you

314202:27:52,609 --> 02:27:56,960know I'm just very happy right now and I

314302:27:54,680 --> 02:28:01,818have this group now and there's honesty

314402:27:56,959 --> 02:28:04,728and you know they're cool with me being

314502:28:01,818 --> 02:28:07,369a survivor and talking about this and

314602:28:04,728 --> 02:28:09,648you know I'm just really excited that I

314702:28:07,370 --> 02:28:12,829had this opportunity to tell you and the

314802:28:09,648 --> 02:28:15,289listeners and I hope that you know

314902:28:12,829 --> 02:28:17,809everybody will hug their daughters and


315002:28:15,290 --> 02:28:19,949you know tell them maybe my story and

315102:28:17,809 --> 02:28:22,859just pay attention

315202:28:19,949 --> 02:28:24,629you know look at the signs out there and

315302:28:22,859 --> 02:28:28,049educate your daughters

315402:28:24,629 --> 02:28:31,020education is the key right there they

315502:28:28,049 --> 02:28:34,609can pose as your boyfriend they can pose

315602:28:31,020 --> 02:28:40,680as a celebrity they can pose as a friend

315702:28:34,609 --> 02:28:43,049as a photographer a talent agent you

315802:28:40,680 --> 02:28:45,738know they're very clever my trafficker

315902:28:43,049 --> 02:28:50,609was a specialist and going to all these

316002:28:45,738 --> 02:28:52,859career colleges and they knew that these

316102:28:50,609 --> 02:28:54,779are the places that people are starting

316202:28:52,859 --> 02:28:57,180over with their lives they're trying to

316302:28:54,779 --> 02:28:59,129educate themselves and they're kind of

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02:28:57,180 --> 02:29:00,719going through things and so that's what

316502:28:59,129 --> 02:29:03,959happened to me I was going through a

316602:29:00,718 --> 02:29:07,288divorce I was down on myself and they're

316702:29:03,959 --> 02:29:10,999very good they all have their their

316802:29:07,289 --> 02:29:15,588gifts on how they traffic people and and

316902:29:10,998 --> 02:29:19,020you know that's kind of my story

317002:29:15,588 --> 02:29:22,828you're a brave young lady brave young

317102:29:19,020 --> 02:29:26,248lady and all of our audience right now

317202:29:22,828 --> 02:29:28,680is saying we got a we got to give you a

317302:29:26,248 --> 02:29:31,020big giant hug from the space out radio

317402:29:28,680 --> 02:29:33,539family in order to you know say that

317502:29:31,020 --> 02:29:35,459we'll take care of you we'll take care

317602:29:33,539 --> 02:29:40,649of you here I think that's a good thing

317702:29:35,459 --> 02:29:40,979for us to say you're brave yeah thank

317802:29:40,648 --> 02:29:43,798


you

317902:29:40,978 --> 02:29:44,698Renee when you hear this story how does

318002:29:43,799 --> 02:29:47,789this make you feel

318102:29:44,699 --> 02:29:49,890it's belt eating oh my god really

318202:29:47,789 --> 02:29:53,920I'm trying to capture a moment here and

318302:29:49,889 --> 02:29:58,629here she is eating pigs in a blanket

318402:29:53,920 --> 02:29:58,629[Laughter]

318502:29:59,809 --> 02:30:06,868hold on hold on we don't do vegans on

318602:30:03,299 --> 02:30:09,919this show we don't do that okay I'm

318702:30:06,869 --> 02:30:12,659sending you down some Canadian bacon

318802:30:09,918 --> 02:30:16,859right now none of that fake stuff no

318902:30:12,658 --> 02:30:28,439tofu or or kale bacon or any crap like

319002:30:16,859 --> 02:30:33,088that okay Ellen when you hear a story

319102:30:28,439 --> 02:30:33,600like that you know I mean that that just

319202:30:33,088 --> 02:30:36,750hits you


319302:30:33,600 --> 02:30:40,158right in the fields and to be to be as

319402:30:36,750 --> 02:30:44,040close to on Alicia as you are regarding

319502:30:40,158 --> 02:30:48,209this situation it kind of brings home a

319602:30:44,040 --> 02:30:51,659huge message that what you guys or you

319702:30:48,209 --> 02:30:55,108ladies are doing is very important in

319802:30:51,658 --> 02:30:57,359telling the stories of the spirits so

319902:30:55,109 --> 02:30:59,809hopefully it can translate into what

320002:30:57,359 --> 02:31:03,149people are doing today

320102:30:59,809 --> 02:31:05,818yeah I agree in fact I'm actually

320202:31:03,148 --> 02:31:07,590working on a side project now with my

320302:31:05,818 --> 02:31:10,198best friend and author named Angeline

320402:31:07,590 --> 02:31:11,880Frasier and we are writing something

320502:31:10,199 --> 02:31:13,319we're kind of we don't have a title for

320602:31:11,879 --> 02:31:16,108it we're calling it the memoirs right


320702:31:13,318 --> 02:31:18,988now and all the proceeds will go toward

320802:31:16,109 --> 02:31:21,840a domestic abuse shelter and we're going

320902:31:18,988 --> 02:31:24,238to be creating fictional historical

321002:31:21,840 --> 02:31:28,439pieces short stories for a book that'll

321102:31:24,238 --> 02:31:30,420tell things that could partially be true

321202:31:28,439 --> 02:31:31,979based on people we find in our

321302:31:30,420 --> 02:31:34,889historical research so we're going to

321402:31:31,978 --> 02:31:37,139take small pieces of history and turn

321502:31:34,889 --> 02:31:39,568them into short fictional pieces for

321602:31:37,139 --> 02:31:41,789readers and when we put that into a book

321702:31:39,568 --> 02:31:44,760we're going to sell it on Kindle and on

321802:31:41,790 --> 02:31:48,239Amazon and so that all those proceeds

321902:31:44,760 --> 02:31:51,389will go towards we're hoping a charity

322002:31:48,238 --> 02:31:53,398such as a shelter or something that

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02:31:51,389 --> 02:31:57,238helps get women out of dangerous homes

322202:31:53,398 --> 02:31:59,519and back into a life of their own since

322302:31:57,238 --> 02:32:02,488for us that's something very personal

322402:31:59,520 --> 02:32:04,290and it does tie into an alicia story and

322502:32:02,488 --> 02:32:05,698that's part of the reason we came

322602:32:04,290 --> 02:32:08,580together is that we both had this

322702:32:05,699 --> 02:32:10,408experience where we had turned our lives

322802:32:08,579 --> 02:32:13,559around we'd gotten out of these bad

322902:32:10,408 --> 02:32:15,930situations and we've had different

323002:32:13,559 --> 02:32:19,019experiences and yet we still had been

323102:32:15,930 --> 02:32:22,738psychologically manipulated we'd still

323202:32:19,020 --> 02:32:24,750been used and mistreated and so that

323302:32:22,738 --> 02:32:27,629brought us together as well and I'm

323402:32:24,750 --> 02:32:29,369going to be using my books that I write

323502:32:27,629 --> 02:32:31,589


under my pen name which is Georgiana

323602:32:29,369 --> 02:32:34,680crane my first book wicked çetin is

323702:32:31,590 --> 02:32:37,049available on Amazon and all my proceeds

323802:32:34,680 --> 02:32:39,750from that book I put towards haunted

323902:32:37,049 --> 02:32:42,000sleepovers so however many books I sell

324002:32:39,750 --> 02:32:43,590a month on Amazon I pull that money and

324102:32:42,000 --> 02:32:45,568I'm putting it towards haunted

324202:32:43,590 --> 02:32:47,431sleepovers and my next book should be

324302:32:45,568 --> 02:32:49,260published in November

324402:32:47,431 --> 02:32:49,880if I don't publish it soon my aunt's

324502:32:49,261 --> 02:32:53,851gonna kill me

324602:32:49,879 --> 02:32:56,159[Laughter]

324702:32:53,851 --> 02:33:00,409that's our goal with our creative work

324802:32:56,159 --> 02:33:00,409is to put it back into what we survive

324902:33:00,591 --> 02:33:08,370it is building and building momentum


325002:33:03,390 --> 02:33:11,670quickly and earlier on in the show you

325102:33:08,370 --> 02:33:14,150were saying on Alicia that your your

325202:33:11,670 --> 02:33:17,940group is attracting a lot of attention

325302:33:14,149 --> 02:33:20,250in the ghost hunting community number

325402:33:17,940 --> 02:33:23,101one but number two with some of the

325502:33:20,250 --> 02:33:25,920connections that happen in television as

325602:33:23,101 --> 02:33:30,301well how is that going for you how does

325702:33:25,920 --> 02:33:33,870that come along well you know at first

325802:33:30,300 --> 02:33:36,630you know when these people have came to

325902:33:33,870 --> 02:33:39,931us you know talking about doing a show

326002:33:36,630 --> 02:33:42,770here and there I was actually not happy

326102:33:39,931 --> 02:33:47,341about it and the reason being is because

326202:33:42,771 --> 02:33:49,051yes I mean I was happy about it I wasn't

326302:33:47,341 --> 02:33:52,739and I'll say the reason why I wasn't


326402:33:49,050 --> 02:33:54,689it's because I don't I I don't want it

326502:33:52,739 --> 02:33:56,970to be there's a lot of paranormal shows

326602:33:54,690 --> 02:34:00,631out there there's a you know what I mean

326702:33:56,970 --> 02:34:03,239there's so much drama and I think the

326802:34:00,630 --> 02:34:05,550only reason why I would love that is

326902:34:03,239 --> 02:34:07,409because just to get the word out you

327002:34:05,550 --> 02:34:10,649know it's our avenue to get the word out

327102:34:07,409 --> 02:34:13,530not so much we get to be on TV how it is

327202:34:10,649 --> 02:34:16,649with a lot of people or we're gonna be

327302:34:13,530 --> 02:34:19,051pinup models or we're gonna have these

327402:34:16,649 --> 02:34:22,380pinup zombie looks to us you know what I

327502:34:19,050 --> 02:34:24,449mean it was you know so I mean I think

327602:34:22,380 --> 02:34:28,560it's exciting because the funding would

327702:34:24,450 --> 02:34:31,670be there so we're kind of in talks with

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02:34:28,560 --> 02:34:34,110a few networks right now and and kind of

327902:34:31,670 --> 02:34:38,550establishing different scenarios that

328002:34:34,110 --> 02:34:40,771way but we'll see is it it's exciting

328102:34:38,550 --> 02:34:42,899like I said I know I sound back and

328202:34:40,771 --> 02:34:45,301forth on this the reason why I sound

328302:34:42,899 --> 02:34:47,310back and forth is because if we get

328402:34:45,300 --> 02:34:51,149anything like that I want it I want it

328502:34:47,310 --> 02:34:53,310to be for the history and for causing or

328602:34:51,149 --> 02:34:55,229raising some kind of awareness I just

328702:34:53,310 --> 02:34:56,970want to be different from what's out

328802:34:55,229 --> 02:34:59,130there right now because what I see

328902:34:56,970 --> 02:35:00,930what's out there right now I don't like

329002:34:59,130 --> 02:35:04,680at all

329102:35:00,930 --> 02:35:08,460I mean I I I want our group is legit

329202:35:04,680 --> 02:35:10,738


there's no fake there's no we need I

329302:35:08,459 --> 02:35:12,750mean yes I'm goofy I will always be

329402:35:10,738 --> 02:35:17,340goofy I've been goofy since I was five

329502:35:12,750 --> 02:35:20,189years old I love making fun of myself I

329602:35:17,340 --> 02:35:23,728love being the clown that's just me I

329702:35:20,189 --> 02:35:27,449I'm always like that but there there is

329802:35:23,728 --> 02:35:29,010a there is a what is it called there I

329902:35:27,449 --> 02:35:30,989think we all come to the group with a

330002:35:29,010 --> 02:35:32,909very strong sense of integrity and what

330102:35:30,988 --> 02:35:35,159we want to represent and I think that

330202:35:32,909 --> 02:35:36,840that might be a little bit different for

330302:35:35,159 --> 02:35:39,659everybody in the group but we all

330402:35:36,840 --> 02:35:42,750collectively come together in wanting to

330502:35:39,659 --> 02:35:45,568raise awareness of history and raise

330602:35:42,750 --> 02:35:47,879awareness of human trafficking and we


330702:35:45,568 --> 02:35:50,609all want to give back to society and we

330802:35:47,879 --> 02:35:53,068want to prove to be an example that you

330902:35:50,609 --> 02:35:55,290can achieve these things and promote

331002:35:53,068 --> 02:35:57,389good thing promote something that you

331102:35:55,290 --> 02:35:59,189want to be interested in and and give

331202:35:57,389 --> 02:36:00,568back to your community so I really feel

331302:35:59,189 --> 02:36:02,189like I'm working with some really

331402:36:00,568 --> 02:36:04,738wonderful people that have amazing

331502:36:02,189 --> 02:36:07,979integrity and want to share with with

331602:36:04,738 --> 02:36:16,439other that their experiences and

331702:36:07,978 --> 02:36:23,478maintain that Renee are you done eating

331802:36:16,439 --> 02:36:23,479again that was me that was talking sorry

331902:36:23,719 --> 02:36:31,698ok what is the scariest paranormal story

332002:36:27,600 --> 02:36:31,699you have had happen to yourself so far


332102:36:32,000 --> 02:36:45,620in the past when did you say the

332202:36:38,728 --> 02:36:45,619weirdest or is a scariest period curious

332302:36:45,738 --> 02:36:52,529you know there's different levels of

332402:36:48,478 --> 02:36:54,568scary I think for me personally it's the

332502:36:52,529 --> 02:36:59,340sensation that I get more than than

332602:36:54,568 --> 02:37:00,689anything else I've had some energies

332702:36:59,340 --> 02:37:03,210that have presented themselves to me

332802:37:00,689 --> 02:37:06,359that has been very oppressive and sad

332902:37:03,209 --> 02:37:09,988and I don't normally share this

333002:37:06,359 --> 02:37:14,520experience but I had been living in an

333102:37:09,988 --> 02:37:16,379apartment complex and prior to

333202:37:14,520 --> 02:37:18,539I live down beyond the street literally

333302:37:16,379 --> 02:37:22,049a block from where we had moved and I

333402:37:18,539 --> 02:37:25,140had had an experience of seeing an

3335


02:37:22,049 --> 02:37:28,408entity behind me who was dressed in some

333602:37:25,139 --> 02:37:30,299type of a sailor captain outfit and he

333702:37:28,408 --> 02:37:34,439presented himself to me in kind of a Sly

333802:37:30,299 --> 02:37:37,078matter and that wasn't so much scary but

333902:37:34,439 --> 02:37:39,840what happened was as we moved to another

334002:37:37,078 --> 02:37:42,389area just down the street a couple years

334102:37:39,840 --> 02:37:45,180later in I was drawn back to the same

334202:37:42,389 --> 02:37:47,250site that I had seen that original male

334302:37:45,180 --> 02:37:51,148entity and that sailor outfit and so

334402:37:47,250 --> 02:37:54,180forth and it had pulled me into a tree

334502:37:51,148 --> 02:37:56,578that was in front of the house and the

334602:37:54,180 --> 02:38:01,350vision that was presented to me was of a

334702:37:56,578 --> 02:38:03,779very very sad nurse from the 1920s and

334802:38:01,350 --> 02:38:05,789somehow that nurse that was the entity

334902:38:03,779 --> 02:38:07,800


in the new house that I was living in

335002:38:05,789 --> 02:38:10,829was connected to the entity that had

335102:38:07,799 --> 02:38:12,118presented itself to me at the old place

335202:38:10,828 --> 02:38:14,369that I was living in so it wasn't the

335302:38:12,119 --> 02:38:19,020scariest but it was definitely the

335402:38:14,369 --> 02:38:20,340status and almost it was it was very

335502:38:19,020 --> 02:38:22,529difficult to recover from that

335602:38:20,340 --> 02:38:25,529experience it just overwhelms me with

335702:38:22,529 --> 02:38:27,750absolute sadness and then I'm still kind

335802:38:25,529 --> 02:38:30,569of a little bit bad thinking about it

335902:38:27,750 --> 02:38:33,930kind of making me a little teary-eyed so

336002:38:30,568 --> 02:38:36,478I am surely scary experiences but I've

336102:38:33,930 --> 02:38:39,869had some very oppressive bad experiences

336202:38:36,478 --> 02:38:41,908mm-hmm Ellen how about yourself what is

336302:38:39,869 --> 02:38:46,020the weirdest or the scariest paranormal


336402:38:41,908 --> 02:38:47,930experience you have had well I'm from

336502:38:46,020 --> 02:38:50,310northern Michigan and I went to college

336602:38:47,930 --> 02:38:52,050at Central Michigan University and

336702:38:50,309 --> 02:38:54,090there's a place called Midland it's

336802:38:52,049 --> 02:38:55,618where Midland Oh is the chemical company

336902:38:54,090 --> 02:38:58,049that makes all of our cleaning supplies

337002:38:55,619 --> 02:39:01,979and such and there's a huge cemetery

337102:38:58,049 --> 02:39:03,448there and there was a we knew there was

337202:39:01,978 --> 02:39:06,299a lot of activity I had a paranormal

337302:39:03,449 --> 02:39:07,859group in college and we went and we were

337402:39:06,299 --> 02:39:10,108near the grave of a woman who had been

337502:39:07,859 --> 02:39:13,140raped and killed a few years before and

337602:39:10,109 --> 02:39:16,828we were trying to get EVPs a red early

337702:39:13,139 --> 02:39:19,19890s astro van pulled into the cemetery


337802:39:16,828 --> 02:39:21,209and had circled us a few times as the

337902:39:19,199 --> 02:39:23,430daughter of a mechanic I know an early

338002:39:21,209 --> 02:39:26,21990s Astro van should have glowing -

338102:39:23,430 --> 02:39:28,260lights that illuminate somewhat the face

338202:39:26,219 --> 02:39:29,549of the driver and

338302:39:28,260 --> 02:39:31,978because that's what I learned to drive

338402:39:29,549 --> 02:39:34,619in and as the car circled us we could

338502:39:31,978 --> 02:39:37,500not see any light inside the vehicle

338602:39:34,620 --> 02:39:39,329they stopped between us in the woods and

338702:39:37,500 --> 02:39:40,739somebody on the passenger side appeared

338802:39:39,329 --> 02:39:42,840to get out but we couldn't see because

338902:39:40,739 --> 02:39:45,180it had gotten too dark they got back in

339002:39:42,840 --> 02:39:47,549and began circling us again so we

339102:39:45,180 --> 02:39:49,229decided instead of taking off along the

3392


02:39:47,549 --> 02:39:50,099road to run through the headstones it

339302:39:49,228 --> 02:39:51,898felt safer

339402:39:50,100 --> 02:39:53,460I had a friend with me named Kylie and

339502:39:51,898 --> 02:39:56,129she didn't believe in anything she was

339602:39:53,459 --> 02:39:58,049the jerk skeptic but we took her because

339702:39:56,129 --> 02:40:00,750she was really good at documenting and

339802:39:58,049 --> 02:40:02,398as we were running from this van which

339902:40:00,750 --> 02:40:04,529is continually circling us and getting

340002:40:02,398 --> 02:40:07,349closer each time it comes around she's

340102:40:04,529 --> 02:40:10,380taking pictures of it we get back to our

340202:40:07,350 --> 02:40:12,568cars the van goes away from us and down

340302:40:10,379 --> 02:40:14,579into a dips between two parts of the

340402:40:12,568 --> 02:40:16,528cemetery and never comes out of the

340502:40:14,579 --> 02:40:18,478valley to exit the cemetery we did not

340602:40:16,529 --> 02:40:21,600


see it exit the cemetery that was only

340702:40:18,478 --> 02:40:22,349one way out where it was when we got

340802:40:21,600 --> 02:40:24,840home

340902:40:22,350 --> 02:40:26,700Kylie looked at her photos I'm sorry

341002:40:24,840 --> 02:40:28,439these are the old bigger digital cameras

341102:40:26,700 --> 02:40:30,029and every one that should have had the

341202:40:28,439 --> 02:40:31,920van in it was white

341302:40:30,029 --> 02:40:34,200it was overexposed in the middle of the

341402:40:31,920 --> 02:40:38,398night Wow

341502:40:34,200 --> 02:40:40,079and and we never later my friend Laura

341602:40:38,398 --> 02:40:42,719and I went in and we looked at some of

341702:40:40,079 --> 02:40:45,840the information from the crime and a red

341802:40:42,719 --> 02:40:50,188early 90s van had been near the area at

341902:40:45,840 --> 02:40:52,799the time but not tied to anything Wow

342002:40:50,189 --> 02:40:54,510so if if anybody is ever in the mid


342102:40:52,799 --> 02:40:57,148Michigan area I would go to the big

342202:40:54,510 --> 02:40:59,639Midland cemetery between the Potters

342302:40:57,148 --> 02:41:01,619cemetery the children's part it's a very

342402:40:59,639 --> 02:41:03,209very creepy place and you will get

342502:41:01,620 --> 02:41:07,020activity especially in the

342602:41:03,209 --> 02:41:10,459asian-american section that is just

342702:41:07,020 --> 02:41:12,390crazy talk having a ghost vehicle

342802:41:10,459 --> 02:41:14,549disappear in front of you like that

342902:41:12,389 --> 02:41:18,750especially to get photographic evidence

343002:41:14,549 --> 02:41:21,329and not even having around Wow we should

343102:41:18,750 --> 02:41:23,040have had 20 photos of that van as it

343202:41:21,329 --> 02:41:26,120followed us out of the cemetery and we

343302:41:23,040 --> 02:41:29,220had none they were always incredible

343402:41:26,120 --> 02:41:31,829incredible yeah annalisa how about you


343502:41:29,219 --> 02:41:35,608your scariest or weirdest paranormal

343602:41:31,829 --> 02:41:38,270story I would have to say the rubberband

343702:41:35,609 --> 02:41:40,350thing that was that was quite the issue

343802:41:38,270 --> 02:41:42,180you know I was telling you guys about

343902:41:40,350 --> 02:41:44,880like my rubber bands kept

344002:41:42,180 --> 02:41:47,639raking in my hair and then I told you

344102:41:44,879 --> 02:41:50,549when I got home I turned on the light

344202:41:47,639 --> 02:41:53,549and the light bulb exploded when I think

344302:41:50,549 --> 02:41:55,259flouted you know it didn't just turn off

344402:41:53,549 --> 02:41:57,299you know how they kind of pop and then

344502:41:55,260 --> 02:42:00,210they stop right they stop working

344602:41:57,299 --> 02:42:02,459this one actually exploded my building

344702:42:00,209 --> 02:42:05,488that I live in is only four it's five

344802:42:02,459 --> 02:42:08,579years old it's very new when I did a

3449


02:42:05,488 --> 02:42:10,289work order to have them fix that he

345002:42:08,579 --> 02:42:12,359actually had called me the maintenance

345102:42:10,290 --> 02:42:15,090guy he's a really nice guy the older guy

345202:42:12,359 --> 02:42:16,949he called me her work and he was like

345302:42:15,090 --> 02:42:20,520yeah I fixed your light but by the way

345402:42:16,949 --> 02:42:23,130what did you do I was like what do you

345502:42:20,520 --> 02:42:25,350mean he goes in all my years I've never

345602:42:23,129 --> 02:42:27,750seen a light bulb explode like that

345702:42:25,350 --> 02:42:29,850before he goes that just doesn't happen

345802:42:27,750 --> 02:42:33,420and I was like I just turned on the

345902:42:29,850 --> 02:42:35,609light so that was kind of weird to me

346002:42:33,420 --> 02:42:38,370but the weirdest thing is having an

346102:42:35,609 --> 02:42:43,170attachment I told you I had an

346202:42:38,370 --> 02:42:45,899attachment with - and it was so weird

346302:42:43,170 --> 02:42:47,909


that I would see her everywhere but also

346402:42:45,898 --> 02:42:50,689when I was going to school a couple

346502:42:47,909 --> 02:42:52,738years ago my classmates would see her

346602:42:50,689 --> 02:42:54,870that's the weird thing

346702:42:52,738 --> 02:42:57,539which kind of made me feel good because

346802:42:54,870 --> 02:42:59,189then I kind of knew oh I must not be

346902:42:57,540 --> 02:43:02,189crazy because if they're seeing I'm

347002:42:59,189 --> 02:43:04,620seeing her - so we would talk about Nina

347102:43:02,189 --> 02:43:07,829all the lights would all our lights

347202:43:04,620 --> 02:43:10,380would die in our room we would be in the

347302:43:07,829 --> 02:43:12,148middle of labs and you know the

347402:43:10,379 --> 02:43:14,429electricity were turned off every time

347502:43:12,148 --> 02:43:16,198we talk about her or we talk about her

347602:43:14,430 --> 02:43:17,818and the printer would go off and they

347702:43:16,199 --> 02:43:21,449would print like a hundred of blank


347802:43:17,818 --> 02:43:23,488pages just out of the blue and even my

347902:43:21,449 --> 02:43:25,319instructor would say would you quit

348002:43:23,488 --> 02:43:31,260talking about 9:00 again it was like

348102:43:25,318 --> 02:43:34,079everybody knew about 9:00 oh yeah it was

348202:43:31,260 --> 02:43:34,889it was pretty weird it was weird for

348302:43:34,079 --> 02:43:39,629Ella

348402:43:34,889 --> 02:43:41,369and then also talking about that when I

348502:43:39,629 --> 02:43:44,969was I used to work at TRADOC mansion

348602:43:41,370 --> 02:43:48,329which is one of them must do historical

348702:43:44,969 --> 02:43:50,488spots in Portland Oregon and we were

348802:43:48,329 --> 02:43:52,978talking about 9:00 and my boss and I and

348902:43:50,488 --> 02:43:55,498we both had saw these marks being drawn

349002:43:52,978 --> 02:44:00,599on my arm as we're talking about her

349102:43:55,498 --> 02:44:02,759um so that was weird too so yeah I


349202:44:00,599 --> 02:44:07,259almost needed to access it on top of

349302:44:02,759 --> 02:44:09,088that yeah that is just up in crazy you

349402:44:07,259 --> 02:44:11,638know out of all the experiences that I

349502:44:09,088 --> 02:44:14,998have had personally I have never had

349602:44:11,638 --> 02:44:16,318anything explode in front of me or you

349702:44:14,998 --> 02:44:18,779know I've never been

349802:44:16,318 --> 02:44:21,418knock on wood I've never been you know

349902:44:18,779 --> 02:44:25,769touched or scratched or punched or

350002:44:21,418 --> 02:44:27,718kicked or bitten or shoved I feel

350102:44:25,769 --> 02:44:30,539fortunate about that when I hear a lot

350202:44:27,718 --> 02:44:37,009of these stories that you as ghost

350302:44:30,539 --> 02:44:39,569hunters have to go through you know just

350402:44:37,009 --> 02:44:41,099so you know let me let me just cut you

350502:44:39,568 --> 02:44:44,668off here for a second just so you know

3506


02:44:41,099 --> 02:44:47,039on Alicia Jo and the SOR space travelers

350702:44:44,668 --> 02:44:49,769Club has a really good set of hair and

350802:44:47,039 --> 02:44:56,309he's saying my Mane thinks the

350902:44:49,769 --> 02:44:58,349rubberband story is scary well you know

351002:44:56,308 --> 02:45:00,688those things don't those things don't

351102:44:58,349 --> 02:45:03,148break all women know we women know to

351202:45:00,689 --> 02:45:04,709have long hair Renee knows this Ellen

351302:45:03,148 --> 02:45:06,868knows this girls out there that are

351402:45:04,709 --> 02:45:08,699listening if you have long hair and you

351502:45:06,869 --> 02:45:10,409wear those holders you know they're

351602:45:08,699 --> 02:45:13,668they're not really rubber bands their

351702:45:10,408 --> 02:45:16,618hair holders their ties they don't break

351802:45:13,668 --> 02:45:18,808even on their last legs when they're

351902:45:16,619 --> 02:45:21,119barely you can see the material kind of

352002:45:18,808 --> 02:45:23,578


breaking down and you see that guts

352102:45:21,119 --> 02:45:26,219basically inside of it it will still

352202:45:23,578 --> 02:45:29,488hold your hair it takes a lot for those

352302:45:26,218 --> 02:45:32,338debris for a total of four of them to

352402:45:29,488 --> 02:45:35,998break in a night is unheard of and this

352502:45:32,338 --> 02:45:39,148is not a bulky back of hair bands these

352602:45:35,998 --> 02:45:41,158are I even ask the owner of hoboes you

352702:45:39,148 --> 02:45:43,588have an extra rubber band and that

352802:45:41,158 --> 02:45:46,199rubber band the actual rubber band broke

352902:45:43,588 --> 02:45:49,318so it was the holders and then it was

353002:45:46,199 --> 02:45:51,299the rubber band and for them to see my

353102:45:49,318 --> 02:45:55,228hair getting pulled and the rubber band

353202:45:51,299 --> 02:45:57,419breaking in a way all those hunters know

353302:45:55,228 --> 02:46:02,099I need that word goes hunter but if you

353402:45:57,418 --> 02:46:04,048say that whatever we we we always so


353502:46:02,099 --> 02:46:05,759uncomfortable sometimes saying this

353602:46:04,049 --> 02:46:08,399happened to us right we have no proof

353702:46:05,759 --> 02:46:09,478right we just say oh we saw this and

353802:46:08,398 --> 02:46:13,228people are like

353902:46:09,478 --> 02:46:16,559yep sure but when you have other people

354002:46:13,228 --> 02:46:18,809see what you're seeing that is the holy

354102:46:16,559 --> 02:46:21,898grail right there that's the holy grail

354202:46:18,809 --> 02:46:23,760that we all love to do or see not just

354302:46:21,898 --> 02:46:26,158capture it on video and tape but also

354402:46:23,760 --> 02:46:28,889have you witnessed it together is

354502:46:26,158 --> 02:46:31,139amazing and it actually feels good

354602:46:28,889 --> 02:46:33,028inside to a ghost hunter because they

354702:46:31,139 --> 02:46:34,829feel like oh my gosh you know this

354802:46:33,029 --> 02:46:38,279wasn't just me I'm not crazy


354902:46:34,829 --> 02:46:41,939bla bla bla you know they thought too

355002:46:38,279 --> 02:46:44,899you know what I mean every day when they

355102:46:41,939 --> 02:46:50,520just whispered I think you're so crazy

355202:46:44,898 --> 02:46:57,898yes we all tend to think that as well

355302:46:50,520 --> 02:47:01,170I'm curious I'm curious and I've been

355402:46:57,898 --> 02:47:02,879trying for the last 40 minutes to try

355502:47:01,170 --> 02:47:06,719and get Michael back on the line for

355602:47:02,879 --> 02:47:08,759some stupid reason Skype is just acting

355702:47:06,719 --> 02:47:10,760like an idiot and will not allow me to

355802:47:08,760 --> 02:47:12,988connect with him so I do apologize

355902:47:10,760 --> 02:47:15,148Michael if you're listening it is a

356002:47:12,988 --> 02:47:20,068major technical problem on this side

356102:47:15,148 --> 02:47:22,619with Skype but I've tried probably 25

356202:47:20,068 --> 02:47:25,318times literally to try and get him on

3563


02:47:22,620 --> 02:47:27,930the air and it just is not working from

356402:47:25,318 --> 02:47:31,379some reason but we'll continue on with

356502:47:27,930 --> 02:47:34,620the show there's a lot of paranormal

356602:47:31,379 --> 02:47:38,219groups out there we have main

356702:47:34,620 --> 02:47:39,569announcement absolutely let's get to

356802:47:38,219 --> 02:47:42,920that right now what is your big

356902:47:39,568 --> 02:47:46,769announcement for haunted sleepovers

357002:47:42,920 --> 02:47:48,600alright so you know all of us love

357102:47:46,770 --> 02:47:51,630Halloween right you love Halloween don't

357202:47:48,600 --> 02:47:56,059you Dave Scott yes yes it's one of my

357302:47:51,629 --> 02:47:56,059favorites especially when the clowns Oh

357402:47:56,299 --> 02:48:01,920actually yeah that's the number one

357502:47:59,790 --> 02:48:03,060problem here in Portland Oregon Renee

357602:48:01,920 --> 02:48:05,329could vouch for that

357702:48:03,059 --> 02:48:08,369


excuse me Ellen can vouch for that one

357802:48:05,329 --> 02:48:10,439anyway we do have an announcement

357902:48:08,370 --> 02:48:13,170haunted sleepovers actually we're going

358002:48:10,439 --> 02:48:16,800to be running a contest we're gonna

358102:48:13,170 --> 02:48:20,790start this contest now but what we're

358202:48:16,799 --> 02:48:23,600doing is asking people to submit a

358302:48:20,790 --> 02:48:26,391picture of their pumpkins that are

358402:48:23,601 --> 02:48:29,931and the one that we pick out that we

358502:48:26,390 --> 02:48:32,149think is the most creative we are going

358602:48:29,931 --> 02:48:36,230to have a big price and you can actually

358702:48:32,149 --> 02:48:37,579win a really good prize so that's what

358802:48:36,229 --> 02:48:40,761we're going to be announcing we're going

358902:48:37,579 --> 02:48:43,940to start it right now as the contest

359002:48:40,761 --> 02:48:46,101will list we will post more about that

359102:48:43,940 --> 02:48:48,530probably in the morning because we're


359202:48:46,101 --> 02:48:51,440going to be tired but yeah we're asking

359302:48:48,530 --> 02:48:55,341people to submit their pictures of their

359402:48:51,440 --> 02:48:57,461pumpkins cards and on Facebook you can

359502:48:55,341 --> 02:49:01,521do that on our haunted sleepovers

359602:48:57,460 --> 02:49:05,180Facebook page it's a pretty good price

359702:49:01,521 --> 02:49:07,370so I wish I could just submit mine and

359802:49:05,181 --> 02:49:09,890win it but yeah that's kind of our big

359902:49:07,370 --> 02:49:12,021announcement that that is a really cool

360002:49:09,890 --> 02:49:15,829idea and you know what I would like to

360102:49:12,021 --> 02:49:17,690do if you don't mind I would like to try

360202:49:15,829 --> 02:49:25,341and tie this into the space out radio

360302:49:17,690 --> 02:49:27,921website and I and I will actually donate

360402:49:25,341 --> 02:49:29,450one of the books that we have from one

360502:49:27,921 --> 02:49:31,640of the many authors who have been on


360602:49:29,450 --> 02:49:35,601this show - the lucky winner I will do

360702:49:31,640 --> 02:49:40,130that and I will also donate a Reiki

360802:49:35,601 --> 02:49:43,069session from that and I'll see if I can

360902:49:40,130 --> 02:49:51,020get a medium ship a psychic reading

361002:49:43,069 --> 02:49:53,720donated for that as well we love giving

361102:49:51,021 --> 02:49:56,120and that's one thing that I am so happy

361202:49:53,720 --> 02:49:59,511about this group we're givers we do we

361302:49:56,120 --> 02:50:02,211try to give back you know I mean I think

361402:49:59,511 --> 02:50:04,431it makes us all so good and so the prize

361502:50:02,210 --> 02:50:07,010that we're giving is a feel-good price

361602:50:04,431 --> 02:50:09,381and so thank you so much because that

361702:50:07,011 --> 02:50:11,961just adds to it we need to let people

361802:50:09,380 --> 02:50:19,609know that our deadline is Devil's Night

361902:50:11,960 --> 02:50:23,060the winners on Halloween of course and

3620


02:50:19,610 --> 02:50:26,900you know what on Halloween night we will

362102:50:23,060 --> 02:50:29,181actually be doing a live Ouija board

362202:50:26,899 --> 02:50:34,310session with Karen Dolman who is a Ouija

362302:50:29,181 --> 02:50:36,418board expert on the show and that will

362402:50:34,310 --> 02:50:39,510also me

362502:50:36,418 --> 02:50:44,189also be the night where we could do the

362602:50:39,510 --> 02:50:47,689draw live on the air oh my god that

362702:50:44,189 --> 02:50:50,908would be really cool that would be cool

362802:50:47,689 --> 02:50:54,389absolutely so when you guys get pictures

362902:50:50,908 --> 02:50:56,430email them to me and we will get them up

363002:50:54,389 --> 02:50:58,288on the space out radio website I'll get

363102:50:56,430 --> 02:51:00,658something built for that right on the

363202:50:58,289 --> 02:51:02,850front page of the space out radio

363302:51:00,658 --> 02:51:05,219website so you have it now we're gonna

363402:51:02,850 --> 02:51:09,270


take part in this as well so if you have

363502:51:05,219 --> 02:51:11,578a good pumpkin carving out there take a

363602:51:09,270 --> 02:51:15,779photo of it get it to the ladies had

363702:51:11,578 --> 02:51:17,760haunted sleepovers on Facebook and we

363802:51:15,779 --> 02:51:19,229will also put it on the space out radio

363902:51:17,760 --> 02:51:21,779website the ladies are gonna make the

364002:51:19,228 --> 02:51:25,408draw on Halloween night right here on

364102:51:21,779 --> 02:51:27,988this show awesome

364202:51:25,408 --> 02:51:32,788also if you guys can like our Facebook

364302:51:27,988 --> 02:51:35,038page we would like that too well that

364402:51:32,789 --> 02:51:44,729isn't begging that isn't begging right

364502:51:35,039 --> 02:51:46,409there uh-huh no I think that's I think

364602:51:44,728 --> 02:51:49,498that's a great announcement I I'm

364702:51:46,408 --> 02:51:54,478curious because you ladies are taking

364802:51:49,498 --> 02:51:57,600the historic route of the investigation


364902:51:54,478 --> 02:52:00,840there's a lot of competition out there

365002:51:57,600 --> 02:52:02,459for ghost hunter groups and there's a

365102:52:00,840 --> 02:52:04,498lot of competition out there for people

365202:52:02,459 --> 02:52:07,829wanting television shows we know it's a

365302:52:04,498 --> 02:52:11,609very oversaturated market in TV right

365402:52:07,828 --> 02:52:14,148now do you ladies and Ellen I'll start

365502:52:11,609 --> 02:52:19,229with you on this one do you believe that

365602:52:14,148 --> 02:52:26,760if you're grinning okay I wasn't sure to

365702:52:19,228 --> 02:52:29,458be honest do you do you believe that the

365802:52:26,760 --> 02:52:31,590Ellen that if you're getting into the

365902:52:29,459 --> 02:52:35,010paranormal that you should have some

366002:52:31,590 --> 02:52:36,930concept of a goal in mind for why you

366102:52:35,010 --> 02:52:40,139are doing it because we see a lot of

366202:52:36,930 --> 02:52:42,479these groups out there who seem to go


366302:52:40,139 --> 02:52:45,599spend thousands of dollars on equipment

366402:52:42,478 --> 02:52:48,799yet in the end they have no clue what

366502:52:45,600 --> 02:52:48,800they are doing with their evidence

366602:52:49,219 --> 02:52:55,698yeah I think everybody does need to have

366702:52:51,559 --> 02:52:57,590a goal in mind and you know there are 15

366802:52:55,699 --> 02:52:59,658years of shows now for us to look back

366902:52:57,590 --> 02:53:01,578on and see where people didn't have the

367002:52:59,658 --> 02:53:03,379same goal and they were in a group or

367102:53:01,578 --> 02:53:05,779they were trying to work together you

367202:53:03,379 --> 02:53:08,448look back at early European shows and

367302:53:05,779 --> 02:53:09,800people that came and went in groups and

367402:53:08,449 --> 02:53:13,189you realize they didn't have the same

367502:53:09,799 --> 02:53:14,658goal and I think that when you are in a

367602:53:13,189 --> 02:53:15,828situation like this when you're working

3677


02:53:14,658 --> 02:53:18,618in the paranormal field and you're

367802:53:15,828 --> 02:53:22,100wanting possibly a TV show or some form

367902:53:18,619 --> 02:53:23,779of publicity you have to have the same

368002:53:22,100 --> 02:53:26,180goal but at the end of the day you all

368102:53:23,779 --> 02:53:29,300have to also have the same recognition

368202:53:26,180 --> 02:53:32,059of if this doesn't work I'm good with

368302:53:29,299 --> 02:53:35,568where I live who I am who I'm with and

368402:53:32,059 --> 02:53:37,100how I live my life my life and goal is a

368502:53:35,568 --> 02:53:40,219cabin in the woods where I don't have to

368602:53:37,100 --> 02:53:42,380talk to people so every everything I do

368702:53:40,219 --> 02:53:44,629comes down to that I might not get there

368802:53:42,379 --> 02:53:47,089till I'm 70 but that is my life goal so

368902:53:44,629 --> 02:53:50,179every littler goal has to get me to that

369002:53:47,090 --> 02:53:54,170goal and so this what we're doing right

369102:53:50,180 --> 02:53:56,720


now is it helps me because my focus for

369202:53:54,170 --> 02:53:59,119my future is history and writing of

369302:53:56,719 --> 02:54:00,978history and fiction and working with

369402:53:59,119 --> 02:54:03,050museums and hopefully archaeological

369502:54:00,978 --> 02:54:06,139digs and getting out of education

369602:54:03,049 --> 02:54:07,879working in archival studies so because

369702:54:06,139 --> 02:54:09,078our smaller goals play into our bigger

369802:54:07,879 --> 02:54:13,688goals I think that's something that

369902:54:09,078 --> 02:54:13,689makes us strong yeah

370002:54:20,510 --> 02:54:32,870you know yes no you did not with me we

370102:54:25,700 --> 02:54:37,659had another Skype stutter there anyways

370202:54:32,870 --> 02:54:37,660Renae I'm asking you now

370302:54:38,719 --> 02:54:43,869what are you snacking on now that's the

370402:54:41,478 --> 02:54:43,869first question

370502:54:48,569 --> 02:54:54,309[Music]


370602:54:50,069 --> 02:54:57,799[Laughter]

370702:54:54,309 --> 02:54:59,778exactly I guess what I'm asking is what

370802:54:57,799 --> 02:55:02,528is your opinion should these teams that

370902:54:59,779 --> 02:55:05,659are out there have some sort of goal or

371002:55:02,529 --> 02:55:09,229focus in mind rather than just running

371102:55:05,659 --> 02:55:11,510around trying to play ghost hunter or

371202:55:09,228 --> 02:55:15,670ghost investigator or Pokemon go the way

371302:55:11,510 --> 02:55:15,670a lot of people are doing it these days

371402:55:16,029 --> 02:55:21,680yeah I really don't feel that I am the

371502:55:20,059 --> 02:55:24,889right person to tell somebody else what

371602:55:21,680 --> 02:55:27,318they can or can't do I certainly feel

371702:55:24,889 --> 02:55:30,639like if somebody has a desire to do that

371802:55:27,318 --> 02:55:33,170that's that's completely up to them I do

371902:55:30,639 --> 02:55:36,019want to say that I would hope that they


372002:55:33,170 --> 02:55:38,270would use caution and that they would

372102:55:36,020 --> 02:55:44,120use respect and they would use dignity

372202:55:38,270 --> 02:55:47,300and in that that process overall I feel

372302:55:44,120 --> 02:55:49,310like what we're doing has a goal and has

372402:55:47,299 --> 02:55:51,469a focus and to me that's the most

372502:55:49,309 --> 02:55:53,119important aspect of it I can't really I

372602:55:51,469 --> 02:55:55,010can't really comment on what other

372702:55:53,120 --> 02:55:58,870people do because I don't feel like it's

372802:55:55,010 --> 02:56:01,370something that I have the right to do

372902:55:58,870 --> 02:56:03,859but I can tell you that what we're doing

373002:56:01,370 --> 02:56:06,079and how we're going about it and trying

373102:56:03,859 --> 02:56:10,309to preserve the historical aspects of

373202:56:06,079 --> 02:56:12,739different areas is I think it's really

373302:56:10,309 --> 02:56:14,539an amazing thing in a common goal I also

3734


02:56:12,739 --> 02:56:16,879like that everybody in this group has

373502:56:14,540 --> 02:56:18,649something that they're an advocate of it

373602:56:16,879 --> 02:56:21,500may not be exactly the same thing that

373702:56:18,648 --> 02:56:24,439we're all very into giving back and

373802:56:21,500 --> 02:56:26,000doing things for the community so I

373902:56:24,439 --> 02:56:27,829think we're all focused and I think we

374002:56:26,000 --> 02:56:30,260all have a good idea and a good head on

374102:56:27,829 --> 02:56:34,100our shoulders on what we want so yeah

374202:56:30,260 --> 02:56:38,779that's kind of my at answering nutshell

374302:56:34,100 --> 02:56:47,300I'm not eating yes put the pig in the

374402:56:38,779 --> 02:56:52,578blanket down vegan go back go back to

374502:56:47,299 --> 02:56:55,099drilling your pumpkins can't even

374602:56:52,578 --> 02:57:00,168comment on that so many things that come

374702:56:55,100 --> 02:57:07,039to mind this is a family show a family

374802:57:00,168 --> 02:57:08,959


show you know on Alicia I'll get I'll

374902:57:07,039 --> 02:57:11,449bring you in here to get your opinion on

375002:57:08,959 --> 02:57:13,850that and I guess one of the things that

375102:57:11,449 --> 02:57:17,149I think of when I think of ghost hunting

375202:57:13,850 --> 02:57:24,168is we have a lot of brilliant people in

375302:57:17,148 --> 02:57:26,088this field of paranormal and we talked a

375402:57:24,168 --> 02:57:27,709little bit earlier about the ego that's

375502:57:26,088 --> 02:57:31,100involved and we talked a little bit

375602:57:27,709 --> 02:57:34,550earlier about the attitudes that are out

375702:57:31,100 --> 02:57:36,498there and nobody is coming together and

375802:57:34,549 --> 02:57:38,719yes there's the big chant paranormal

375902:57:36,498 --> 02:57:40,430unity there's even a hashtag about it

376002:57:38,719 --> 02:57:40,969but I don't think it's been spread for

376102:57:40,430 --> 02:57:44,479months

376202:57:40,969 --> 02:57:47,588anyways what I'm trying what I'm trying


376302:57:44,478 --> 02:57:50,568to get at here is we have an opportunity

376402:57:47,588 --> 02:57:53,270with the brain power that is out there

376502:57:50,568 --> 02:57:56,689to try and solve a lot of mysteries

376602:57:53,270 --> 02:57:59,328missing people how people died we have

376702:57:56,689 --> 02:58:04,129the opportunity to find the true answer

376802:57:59,328 --> 02:58:06,918of is there proven life after death yet

376902:58:04,129 --> 02:58:09,109we see people running around cemeteries

377002:58:06,918 --> 02:58:11,869or places that they already know who are

377102:58:09,109 --> 02:58:15,350haunted you know just playing with

377202:58:11,869 --> 02:58:18,140ghosts should there be stricter goals

377302:58:15,350 --> 02:58:22,908and guidelines for these groups or

377402:58:18,139 --> 02:58:25,398should it just be a relaxed game well I

377502:58:22,908 --> 02:58:28,309think it's when Renee was talking about

377602:58:25,398 --> 02:58:30,588how everybody's different and maybe you


377702:58:28,309 --> 02:58:32,658know everybody has their reasons why

377802:58:30,588 --> 02:58:34,549they do the things they do and maybe

377902:58:32,658 --> 02:58:36,559like I said before everybody

378002:58:34,549 --> 02:58:40,429investigates differently or their

378102:58:36,559 --> 02:58:43,368beliefs are differently but I think that

378202:58:40,430 --> 02:58:46,908I don't even know if there's a wrong way

378302:58:43,369 --> 02:58:47,750or a wrong or right way of going about

378402:58:46,908 --> 02:58:50,029it I mean

378502:58:47,750 --> 02:58:52,370the only everybody is like I said

378602:58:50,029 --> 02:58:56,510everybody's different I think it comes

378702:58:52,370 --> 02:58:59,540to respecting what other people you know

378802:58:56,510 --> 02:59:02,059what their feelings are maybe you don't

378902:58:59,540 --> 02:59:04,069investigate the way I investigate but we

379002:59:02,059 --> 02:59:05,930can all come together and maybe have

3791


02:59:04,068 --> 02:59:08,510different ways of doing this

379202:59:05,930 --> 02:59:11,420without people bickering and saying

379302:59:08,510 --> 02:59:13,939what's right or wrong it's just coming

379402:59:11,420 --> 02:59:15,829together and say hey you know what I did

379502:59:13,939 --> 02:59:17,840this Avenue and I got this what do you

379602:59:15,829 --> 02:59:19,430think of this and this person oh I got

379702:59:17,840 --> 02:59:21,889this well this kind of fits with what

379802:59:19,430 --> 02:59:24,439you're doing it's like nobody really

379902:59:21,889 --> 02:59:28,459comes together it's like either it's

380002:59:24,439 --> 02:59:30,979this or no way so I just I think you

380102:59:28,459 --> 02:59:33,619know everybody has their own ways of

380202:59:30,978 --> 02:59:36,679doing things and what's sad is we can't

380302:59:33,620 --> 02:59:38,899just all collaborate together and figure

380402:59:36,680 --> 02:59:40,460things out but going to these places are

380502:59:38,898 --> 02:59:42,858


like oh well that's haunted so we're

380602:59:40,459 --> 02:59:44,299going to go there it's like why are you

380702:59:42,859 --> 02:59:46,670going there are you going because you

380802:59:44,299 --> 02:59:48,590want to know the history of it you need

380902:59:46,670 --> 02:59:50,329to preserve this building or do you want

381002:59:48,590 --> 02:59:52,370to just go there because it's a touristy

381102:59:50,329 --> 02:59:54,648thing and a lot of people say that about

381202:59:52,370 --> 02:59:57,140Shanghai tunnels oh it's so touristy but

381302:59:54,648 --> 03:00:00,049actually one thing about the Shanghai

381402:59:57,139 --> 03:00:02,180tunnels is a lot of history it's

381503:00:00,049 --> 03:00:04,068Portland history and Shanghai in

381603:00:02,180 --> 03:00:07,790happened all over the world all over the

381703:00:04,068 --> 03:00:10,670US and so raising awareness you know

381803:00:07,790 --> 03:00:12,560this is the places where the cemetery oh

381903:00:10,670 --> 03:00:15,859my gosh it's a cemetery so it's haunted


382003:00:12,559 --> 03:00:17,420or this mental health hospital you know

382103:00:15,859 --> 03:00:19,370it's haunted so everybody goes there and

382203:00:17,420 --> 03:00:22,040they have events you know that's another

382303:00:19,370 --> 03:00:24,109thing is I'm kind of tired of events you

382403:00:22,040 --> 03:00:26,960know events here let's all investigate

382503:00:24,109 --> 03:00:29,600at this event event this event and where

382603:00:26,959 --> 03:00:31,068is that money going to where how are

382703:00:29,600 --> 03:00:32,988they what's going on with that money

382803:00:31,068 --> 03:00:36,889who's getting that money and what is

382903:00:32,988 --> 03:00:40,309that many going towards sorry I'm on oh

383003:00:36,889 --> 03:00:42,619I'm on a soapbox here well ladies we

383103:00:40,309 --> 03:00:48,318only got about three minutes left with

383203:00:42,620 --> 03:00:51,410you tonight man this is flown by do you

383303:00:48,318 --> 03:00:54,260want to give an update here of how


383403:00:51,409 --> 03:00:56,270people can find your your page or your

383503:00:54,260 --> 03:00:59,228group on social media so that way they

383603:00:56,270 --> 03:00:59,229can follow you

383703:00:59,959 --> 03:01:05,429absolutely it looks like some people on

383803:01:02,398 --> 03:01:07,500some of the speeds for this conversation

383903:01:05,430 --> 03:01:09,540already sharing our link that we are

384003:01:07,500 --> 03:01:12,329haunted sleepovers on Facebook we are

384103:01:09,540 --> 03:01:14,069also on Twitter we're a little bit more

384203:01:12,329 --> 03:01:16,289active on Facebook just because Twitter

384303:01:14,068 --> 03:01:23,029is where I like to go post my rants and

384403:01:16,290 --> 03:01:25,680not really do anything productive but

384503:01:23,030 --> 03:01:28,050and on Twitter we have an email haunted

384603:01:25,680 --> 03:01:29,579sleepovers at gmail.com if you want to

384703:01:28,049 --> 03:01:33,568provide us free room and board for

3848


03:01:29,579 --> 03:01:37,139investigating let us know very clear

384903:01:33,568 --> 03:01:39,180also we also have a GoFundMe under

385003:01:37,139 --> 03:01:43,379haunted sleepovers for buying equipment

385103:01:39,180 --> 03:01:47,579and paying for places to stay very very

385203:01:43,379 --> 03:01:52,139nice and what is the goal as we continue

385303:01:47,579 --> 03:01:54,978on here to expand are we looking at

385403:01:52,139 --> 03:01:58,318going outside of Portland maybe into

385503:01:54,978 --> 03:02:00,659California or Idaho or Washington State

385603:01:58,318 --> 03:02:06,059or Nevada maybe even into British

385703:02:00,659 --> 03:02:08,969Columbia yes actually we are we you know

385803:02:06,059 --> 03:02:13,260our love is Portland Oregon that were

385903:02:08,969 --> 03:02:15,239also have I guess that a lot of networks

386003:02:13,260 --> 03:02:17,540are looking in to us we've had people

386103:02:15,239 --> 03:02:21,568wanting us to go to Idaho Washington

386203:02:17,540 --> 03:02:25,680


Michigan Australia and maybe Canada

386303:02:21,568 --> 03:02:27,359knows but yes as long as there's history

386403:02:25,680 --> 03:02:31,200and something that we can help out with

386503:02:27,359 --> 03:02:33,720yes we want to go there definitely well

386603:02:31,200 --> 03:02:37,770you'd make damn sure that you make your

386703:02:33,719 --> 03:02:40,438way up to Canada I got okay I got I got

386803:02:37,770 --> 03:02:43,530enough haunted locations up here to show

386903:02:40,439 --> 03:02:46,739you around I can do that

387003:02:43,530 --> 03:02:49,130ladies you hold on for a couple of

387103:02:46,739 --> 03:02:51,989minutes here I got to wrap this thing up

387203:02:49,129 --> 03:02:54,898because my bag is packed I'm heading out

387303:02:51,989 --> 03:02:59,189right after this for my Zen my Chi my

387403:02:54,898 --> 03:03:02,519weekend off so hold on one side if

387503:02:59,189 --> 03:03:05,460you're on the space out radio side you

387603:03:02,520 --> 03:03:07,579hear mister run bumblefoot Thal formerly


387703:03:05,459 --> 03:03:10,250of Guns & Roses

387803:03:07,579 --> 03:03:14,659wrapping things up for us

387903:03:10,250 --> 03:03:16,399bumblefoot is the official music of SOR

388003:03:14,659 --> 03:03:19,159remember our website is spaced out

388103:03:16,399 --> 03:03:19,879radio.com coming up tomorrow night and

388203:03:19,159 --> 03:03:22,549Sunday

388303:03:19,879 --> 03:03:26,179Elizabeth Anglin and James Tyson bring

388403:03:22,549 --> 03:03:28,459to you spaced out weekend certainly at 9

388503:03:26,180 --> 03:03:31,270p.m. Pacific midnight Eastern Time right

388603:03:28,459 --> 03:03:33,679here at the mighty spaced-out radio.com

388703:03:31,270 --> 03:03:35,989remember you can follow us on twitter at

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388903:03:35,989 --> 03:03:40,909alike spaced out radio show if you want

389003:03:38,600 --> 03:03:42,590to listen to this show or any others you


389103:03:40,909 --> 03:03:45,440can go to our YouTube channel

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389303:03:45,440 --> 03:03:52,100in or you can download these shows and

389403:03:48,350 --> 03:03:54,140any of ours now on iTunes that's kind of

389503:03:52,100 --> 03:03:56,030cool I did that for the first time the

389603:03:54,139 --> 03:03:59,569other day saying what do I sound like

389703:03:56,030 --> 03:04:01,760that was like oh my god your sound a

389803:03:59,569 --> 03:04:03,469pretty good man so we're gonna keep this

389903:04:01,760 --> 03:04:05,479thing going I will be back in the hot

390003:04:03,469 --> 03:04:07,579seat and uncle Jimbo scabbit on Monday

390103:04:05,479 --> 03:04:10,430night chronicles are the unknown more

390203:04:07,579 --> 03:04:13,549paranormal talk I got a short week this

390303:04:10,430 --> 03:04:15,590week because on Friday uncle Jimbo James

390403:04:13,549 --> 03:04:18,319Tyson a week tonight will be hosting for

3905


03:04:15,590 --> 03:04:22,430me I'm going down to concrete Washington

390603:04:18,319 --> 03:04:25,129for foolish moon paranormals Paracon I'm

390703:04:22,430 --> 03:04:28,069a speaker there they're taking my

390803:04:25,129 --> 03:04:30,529speaking virginity it's going to be

390903:04:28,069 --> 03:04:33,529awesome you guys keep well have a great

391003:04:30,530 --> 03:04:35,480weekend remember stay away from the

391103:04:33,530 --> 03:04:37,610gnomes the clowns and if you're in the

391203:04:35,479 --> 03:04:39,709ocean sharks do bite we don't want to

391303:04:37,610 --> 03:04:42,110see his food we'll see you all back here

391403:04:39,709 --> 03:04:45,969on Monday night good night space

391503:04:42,110 --> 03:04:45,970travelers I am out

391603:04:49,829 --> 03:04:54,969stay in line don't make a mistake we're

391703:04:53,478 --> 03:05:07,429watching

391803:04:54,969 --> 03:05:07,429[Music]

391903:05:07,670 --> 03:05:13,370


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392003:05:10,159 --> 03:05:13,369[Music]

392103:05:22,840 --> 03:05:25,969[Applause]

392203:05:26,020 --> 03:05:43,470[Music]

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