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Spaced Out Radio - Sept. 7_16 - 50 Shades of GREYS with Ray Szymanski_ZdCcbAxK5ok - transcript (automated).txt[19/06/2019 13:25:53]

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200:00:27,309 --> 00:00:35,269little brother has taken control

300:00:30,699 --> 00:00:44,479shoveling dirt every whore predators to

400:00:35,270 --> 00:00:48,080him your soul watching you misunderstood

500:00:44,479 --> 00:00:51,169and so frustrated a million armies of

600:00:48,079 --> 00:00:54,399one have invaded watching you and

700:00:51,170 --> 00:00:54,399watching me

800:01:01,100 --> 00:01:04,939we'll be long

900:01:05,930 --> 00:01:09,189[Music]

1000:01:16,439 --> 00:01:19,548[Music]

1100:01:24,900 --> 00:01:31,200little brother wants to make headlines

1200:01:27,189 --> 00:01:31,200be immortalized

1300:01:31,930 --> 00:01:37,590everyone's got an electric eye we're at

1400:01:34,510 --> 00:01:37,590the Digital spy's


1500:01:38,159 --> 00:01:45,840[Music]

1600:01:53,250 --> 00:01:56,379[Applause]

1700:02:00,469 --> 00:02:07,459[Applause]

1800:02:03,438 --> 00:02:10,939we the people have taken over we the

1900:02:07,459 --> 00:02:16,900people of the top brother standing by to

2000:02:10,939 --> 00:02:16,900throne each other watching you and watch

2100:02:19,900 --> 00:02:25,610desensitizing of us pretension

2200:02:22,689 --> 00:02:29,759democratize by a boy or obsessions

2300:02:25,610 --> 00:02:31,379watching you and watching me

2400:02:29,759 --> 00:02:34,378super

2500:02:31,378 --> 00:02:34,378don't

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2700:02:37,509 --> 00:02:40,989every flaw

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3000:02:58,949 --> 00:03:03,179[Music]

3100:03:01,259 --> 00:03:06,739little brother wants to make headlines

3200:03:03,180 --> 00:03:06,739fear martyr

3300:03:07,620 --> 00:03:12,370everyone's got an electric eye we're at

3400:03:10,530 --> 00:03:22,460the Digital Spy

3500:03:12,370 --> 00:03:22,460[Music]

3600:03:38,379 --> 00:03:41,568[Music]

3700:03:51,139 --> 00:03:58,568[Music]

3800:03:55,729 --> 00:03:58,568Wow

3900:03:59,990 --> 00:04:06,000totalitarian state a thousand eyes of

4000:04:03,240 --> 00:04:11,540waiting for you to break and stay in

4100:04:06,000 --> 00:04:11,539line don't make a mistake we're watching

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4600:05:00,860 --> 00:05:07,050[Music]

4700:05:06,720 --> 00:05:10,570[Applause]

4800:05:07,050 --> 00:05:11,090[Music]

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5400:05:28,180 --> 00:05:34,819but your experience begin right now

5500:05:32,259 --> 00:05:36,740from high atop the mountains of British

5600:05:34,819 --> 00:05:37,219Columbia to you listening around the

5700:05:36,740 --> 00:05:40,460world


5800:05:37,220 --> 00:05:42,790this is spaced-out radio you can follow

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6500:06:00,089 --> 00:06:05,500it's all choice

6600:06:02,420 --> 00:06:05,500that way big boys in

6700:06:10,819 --> 00:06:14,800we break on commanders women

6800:06:14,930 --> 00:06:20,519buckle up space travelers it's time to

6900:06:17,970 --> 00:06:23,900go for a ride as we are live on

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7100:07:01,730 --> 00:07:04,819[Applause]


7200:07:14,870 --> 00:07:19,269you

7300:07:15,779 --> 00:07:19,269[Music]

7400:07:26,329 --> 00:07:28,389you

7500:07:43,790 --> 00:07:48,360good evening and welcome to spaced out

7600:07:46,259 --> 00:07:50,039radio tonight I am your host Dave Scott

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00:10:08,549 --> 00:10:12,679multitude of stories that have come from

14400:10:10,470 --> 00:10:14,970experiencers who have had run-ins with

14500:10:12,679 --> 00:10:16,649extraterrestrials is literally in the

14600:10:14,970 --> 00:10:18,540hundreds of thousands annually and

14700:10:16,649 --> 00:10:20,490that's just from people who have

14800:10:18,539 --> 00:10:22,969mentioned their incredible encounter

14900:10:20,490 --> 00:10:25,589think about this statistic for a minute

15000:10:22,970 --> 00:10:27,360people in the field of ufology figure

15100:10:25,589 --> 00:10:29,579that only one out of every ten

15200:10:27,360 --> 00:10:32,759encounters ever gets reported or told

15300:10:29,578 --> 00:10:35,458one out of every ten that's not a high

15400:10:32,759 --> 00:10:36,870number of reports and then when you go

15500:10:35,458 --> 00:10:38,458and throw in the knowledge that people

15600:10:36,870 --> 00:10:40,560have like our guest tonight raesha

15700:10:38,458 --> 00:10:43,319


Manske then it opens up a whole

15800:10:40,559 --> 00:10:45,119different field for the experiencer ray

15900:10:43,320 --> 00:10:47,550is a man with over 40 years of research

16000:10:45,120 --> 00:10:49,379and work experience including working at

16100:10:47,549 --> 00:10:51,838the infamous wright-patterson Air Force

16200:10:49,379 --> 00:10:53,970Base in Ohio and how many times his

16300:10:51,839 --> 00:10:56,430wright-patt seem to come up on this show

16400:10:53,970 --> 00:11:00,000over the last year think about that his

16500:10:56,429 --> 00:11:02,069book is called 50 shades of Gray's as we

16600:11:00,000 --> 00:11:04,679get into the et phenomenon pretty hard

16700:11:02,070 --> 00:11:06,449tonight we welcome in Rachel Manske

16800:11:04,679 --> 00:11:08,099welcome to spaced out radio for the

16900:11:06,448 --> 00:11:11,189first time good to have you with us how

17000:11:08,100 --> 00:11:12,680are you I'm awesome Dave thanks for

17100:11:11,190 --> 00:11:15,420having me really appreciate it I


17200:11:12,679 --> 00:11:18,989appreciate you taking the time to be

17300:11:15,419 --> 00:11:23,159with us because I think your topic of

17400:11:18,990 --> 00:11:26,190study is so important and it is so well

17500:11:23,159 --> 00:11:29,639documented in your own personal notes

17600:11:26,190 --> 00:11:32,490and your own personal research that I'm

17700:11:29,639 --> 00:11:34,649really surprised ray that everybody

17800:11:32,490 --> 00:11:38,818hasn't run out there and grabbed your

17900:11:34,649 --> 00:11:41,159book now being a former employee of

18000:11:38,818 --> 00:11:43,349wright-patterson I do know this from a

18100:11:41,159 --> 00:11:46,289former guest of ours who was a fire

18200:11:43,350 --> 00:11:48,480fired firefighter pardon me in the

18300:11:46,289 --> 00:11:49,980vicinity about 50 miles away and he has

18400:11:48,480 --> 00:11:51,750friends who've been fire fighters at

18500:11:49,980 --> 00:11:54,089wright-patt and one of the scariest


18600:11:51,750 --> 00:11:57,269stories he ever told me his name's Jim

18700:11:54,089 --> 00:11:59,699Patrick and one of the scariest stories

18800:11:57,269 --> 00:12:01,698he ever told me Ray was that his

18900:11:59,698 --> 00:12:05,879firefighter buddies at wright-patt

19000:12:01,698 --> 00:12:08,669basically told them that the military

19100:12:05,879 --> 00:12:09,389has so many rules there for instance

19200:12:08,669 --> 00:12:11,610there's

19300:12:09,389 --> 00:12:13,409certain buildings that if they start

19400:12:11,610 --> 00:12:15,899burning no matter if there's people

19500:12:13,409 --> 00:12:18,179screaming in it or whatever the

19600:12:15,899 --> 00:12:21,029firefighters are to make that building

19700:12:18,179 --> 00:12:23,429burn or let it burn do not put it out do

19800:12:21,029 --> 00:12:23,819not rescue anybody in there just let it

19900:12:23,429 --> 00:12:25,620burn

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00:12:23,820 --> 00:12:30,150that's an eerie place my friend right

20100:12:25,620 --> 00:12:34,710Pat I have never heard that before

20200:12:30,149 --> 00:12:38,579and quite frankly I would call that rule

20300:12:34,710 --> 00:12:40,860into question and and in fact now that

20400:12:38,580 --> 00:12:44,730you've brought up such a very strange

20500:12:40,860 --> 00:12:45,960and outrageous rule in my brain I'm

20600:12:44,730 --> 00:12:49,590probably going to have to research it

20700:12:45,960 --> 00:12:51,330with people that I know that work in the

20800:12:49,590 --> 00:12:53,790first responders area at

20900:12:51,330 --> 00:12:56,190wright-patterson that's just you know a

21000:12:53,789 --> 00:12:58,049claim that I have a lot of difficulty

21100:12:56,190 --> 00:13:00,420getting my head around you know right at

21200:12:58,049 --> 00:13:02,069this moment well that's part of the

21300:13:00,419 --> 00:13:04,379reason why we have you on here so that

21400:13:02,070 --> 00:13:06,629


way we can clean some of this up whether

21500:13:04,379 --> 00:13:09,029it's true whether it's not it's worth

21600:13:06,629 --> 00:13:11,370investigating because it does add to the

21700:13:09,029 --> 00:13:14,939mystery if there is a mystery there and

21800:13:11,370 --> 00:13:17,519wright-patterson is filled with a lot of

21900:13:14,940 --> 00:13:22,350mystery tell us about your history with

22000:13:17,519 --> 00:13:27,960wright-patterson well I arrived on a

22100:13:22,350 --> 00:13:30,060very dreary day in January of 1973 I was

22200:13:27,960 --> 00:13:32,220a young cooperative education student

22300:13:30,059 --> 00:13:34,529from the University of Detroit and as a

22400:13:32,220 --> 00:13:35,970shout-out to them i wouldn't be where i

22500:13:34,529 --> 00:13:38,129was at today without their fine

22600:13:35,970 --> 00:13:40,170education so we were going to do this

22700:13:38,129 --> 00:13:41,939work study where we work on a base for

22800:13:40,169 --> 00:13:43,709three months come back to school for


22900:13:41,940 --> 00:13:45,450three months we were alternate for two

23000:13:43,710 --> 00:13:47,790years and at the end of those two years

23100:13:45,450 --> 00:13:49,500there'd be a decision made did I still

23200:13:47,789 --> 00:13:50,449want to work there and or would they

23300:13:49,500 --> 00:13:54,600offer me a job

23400:13:50,450 --> 00:13:57,000so it's January of 1973 I'm assigned to

23500:13:54,600 --> 00:13:59,430the management operations office which

23600:13:57,000 --> 00:14:03,960is an area B and at the time it was

23700:13:59,429 --> 00:14:07,469building 22 and I was assigned to a

23800:14:03,960 --> 00:14:11,129gentlemen who I mentioned in my book

23900:14:07,470 --> 00:14:13,950because of his importance in my life and

24000:14:11,129 --> 00:14:15,720my interest in UFOs so the very first

24100:14:13,950 --> 00:14:18,420week he said come on we're going to go

24200:14:15,720 --> 00:14:19,950across the hangar we were in a small


24300:14:18,419 --> 00:14:22,569two-story building and there was a

24400:14:19,950 --> 00:14:24,759hangar in between us and the

24500:14:22,570 --> 00:14:26,950side which was also a two-story like a

24600:14:24,759 --> 00:14:30,009management building so we're cutting

24700:14:26,950 --> 00:14:34,090through the hangar and he says have you

24800:14:30,009 --> 00:14:35,919heard about her aliens and you know I'm

24900:14:34,090 --> 00:14:39,610away from home for the very first time

25000:14:35,919 --> 00:14:41,740I'm 19 years old and I'm thinking aliens

25100:14:39,610 --> 00:14:44,129I wasn't even sure what he was talking

25200:14:41,740 --> 00:14:46,779about and I said we have aliens and

25300:14:44,129 --> 00:14:49,149we're in the middle of this cavernous

25400:14:46,779 --> 00:14:51,639empty hangar which is a hundred and

25500:14:49,149 --> 00:14:53,379fifty feet at length and has got to be a

25600:14:51,639 --> 00:14:56,649hundred foot in width which is now the

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00:14:53,379 --> 00:14:57,789right-field fitness center so we're

25800:14:56,649 --> 00:15:00,129walking through and I go

25900:14:57,789 --> 00:15:02,769we have aliens and he said you know we

26000:15:00,129 --> 00:15:05,379have aliens in the tunnels you know he's

26100:15:02,769 --> 00:15:07,210like upping the ante and I go we have

26200:15:05,379 --> 00:15:11,259tunnels he said I've got aliens and the

26300:15:07,210 --> 00:15:14,230tunnels so I said well can we go see

26400:15:11,259 --> 00:15:17,080these aliens in the tunnels well no you

26500:15:14,230 --> 00:15:20,740know it's a secret well if the secret

26600:15:17,080 --> 00:15:22,180how do you know about it well everybody

26700:15:20,740 --> 00:15:25,600on base knows about it

26800:15:22,179 --> 00:15:28,269and I thought hey what's his definition

26900:15:25,600 --> 00:15:30,310of secret you know ten thousand people

27000:15:28,269 --> 00:15:31,899ten thousand civilians on the base plus

27100:15:30,309 --> 00:15:34,479


probably at that time twelve thousand

27200:15:31,899 --> 00:15:36,699military you know what's he talking

27300:15:34,480 --> 00:15:38,590about so you know he tells me a little

27400:15:36,700 --> 00:15:39,940bit about the history and I kept saying

27500:15:38,590 --> 00:15:42,190the word secret and I think the third

27600:15:39,940 --> 00:15:43,690time I said the word secret I must have

27700:15:42,190 --> 00:15:44,380scared him and he goes you know that's

27800:15:43,690 --> 00:15:46,000enough for now

27900:15:44,379 --> 00:15:49,960I think we need to go back to work let's

28000:15:46,000 --> 00:15:52,210grab our candy bar so back in 1973 is

28100:15:49,960 --> 00:15:54,879when I got all excited about aliens and

28200:15:52,210 --> 00:15:56,590tunnels in wright-patterson and little

28300:15:54,879 --> 00:15:59,639by little I learned you know that this

28400:15:56,590 --> 00:16:02,649was basically embedded in the culture

28500:15:59,639 --> 00:16:06,879that's a mystery that has really been


28600:16:02,649 --> 00:16:08,740there since the Roswell crash and I like

28700:16:06,879 --> 00:16:11,019to think of it as there was a secondary

28800:16:08,740 --> 00:16:13,350crash there at San Agustin and we're

28900:16:11,019 --> 00:16:16,840gonna get into that later on in the show

29000:16:13,350 --> 00:16:18,159but apparently the rumor has it that

29100:16:16,840 --> 00:16:20,889when the crash happened

29200:16:18,159 --> 00:16:22,990at Corona and New Mexico they shipped

29300:16:20,889 --> 00:16:24,759the ship and the bodies to

29400:16:22,990 --> 00:16:27,340wright-patterson Air Force Base before

29500:16:24,759 --> 00:16:29,139sending them over to area 51 was that

29600:16:27,340 --> 00:16:31,590ever talked about around there or was

29700:16:29,139 --> 00:16:33,759the whole subject of Roswell UFOs

29800:16:31,590 --> 00:16:36,129extraterrestrials besides this one

29900:16:33,759 --> 00:16:41,500incident kept very quiet


30000:16:36,129 --> 00:16:43,240no in fact even to this day the

30100:16:41,500 --> 00:16:46,409connection between wright-patterson Air

30200:16:43,240 --> 00:16:50,409Force Base and extraterrestrials and UFO

30300:16:46,409 --> 00:16:52,240permeates virtually every employee on

30400:16:50,409 --> 00:16:55,809the base and I'll tell you we'll get

30500:16:52,240 --> 00:16:58,240back to how I know that to be a fact but

30600:16:55,809 --> 00:16:59,500I think as most of the listeners were

30700:16:58,240 --> 00:17:02,590know and we'll bring up some of the

30800:16:59,500 --> 00:17:05,769newbies up to speed in 1947 there was

30900:17:02,590 --> 00:17:08,980reputedly a crash at Corona New Mexico

31000:17:05,769 --> 00:17:13,230about 70 miles north of Roswell New

31100:17:08,980 --> 00:17:16,750Mexico where the only nuclear-armed

31200:17:13,230 --> 00:17:18,400bombing group in the world we're living

31300:17:16,750 --> 00:17:21,789and working at the time the five-o ninth

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00:17:18,400 --> 00:17:24,670Bomb Group so a rancher by the name of a

31500:17:21,789 --> 00:17:27,459Mac Brazel comes into town brings this

31600:17:24,670 --> 00:17:29,710crazy-looking silvery material into the

31700:17:27,459 --> 00:17:32,200sheriff's office the sheriff says you

31800:17:29,710 --> 00:17:35,319know let's contact the air force base so

31900:17:32,200 --> 00:17:37,630they do and Jesse Marcel and ceratin

32000:17:35,319 --> 00:17:39,069Cavett go with the rancher the next day

32100:17:37,630 --> 00:17:40,660they go out to this place

32200:17:39,069 --> 00:17:43,240you know 70 miles in the middle of

32300:17:40,660 --> 00:17:45,720nowhere north of Roswell collect the

32400:17:43,240 --> 00:17:48,910stuff and in a car and drive it back and

32500:17:45,720 --> 00:17:51,579the Colonel Blanchard who was in charge

32600:17:48,910 --> 00:17:54,009of the Roswell Army Airfield at time

32700:17:51,579 --> 00:17:55,599said hey guys you know using my

32800:17:54,009 --> 00:17:57,549


intelligence officers what do you think

32900:17:55,599 --> 00:17:59,319this is and I said we've never seen

33000:17:57,549 --> 00:18:00,129anything like this you know it could be

33100:17:59,319 --> 00:18:03,490a spacecraft

33200:18:00,130 --> 00:18:07,450so Colonel Blanchard in his inimitable

33300:18:03,490 --> 00:18:09,370wisdom had Walter Haut take the story

33400:18:07,450 --> 00:18:12,220and pass it out to the world and that

33500:18:09,369 --> 00:18:14,639said you know the the Army Air Force has

33600:18:12,220 --> 00:18:18,670got has captured a crashed disc

33700:18:14,640 --> 00:18:20,080well that literally shut down all the

33800:18:18,670 --> 00:18:22,930communication channel because now the

33900:18:20,079 --> 00:18:25,210world is dependent upon the 509 and

34000:18:22,930 --> 00:18:26,860Roswell and they want to know what's

34100:18:25,210 --> 00:18:29,950going on and they're calling Washington

34200:18:26,859 --> 00:18:31,809DC so immediately within 24 hours the


34300:18:29,950 --> 00:18:33,610powers that be said you know we need to

34400:18:31,809 --> 00:18:35,740back off of the story because we're not

34500:18:33,609 --> 00:18:37,959going to get any real work done so they

34600:18:35,740 --> 00:18:39,940published a news story that said oh it

34700:18:37,960 --> 00:18:42,009was just a weather balloon which is of

34800:18:39,940 --> 00:18:46,210course funny to those of us who've been

34900:18:42,009 --> 00:18:48,180reading about this topic for the last 40

35000:18:46,210 --> 00:18:49,929years because that's been their

35100:18:48,180 --> 00:18:52,269rationale for everything

35200:18:49,929 --> 00:18:54,429it was a weather balloon but the thing

35300:18:52,269 --> 00:18:57,329that everybody needs to understand is is

35400:18:54,429 --> 00:19:00,190in the middle of the story you have this

35500:18:57,329 --> 00:19:03,339unimpeachable source that was uncovered

35600:19:00,190 --> 00:19:07,149by Stanton Friedman and Devyn peaceable


35700:19:03,339 --> 00:19:08,980source yes Jesse Marcel jesse was the

35800:19:07,148 --> 00:19:11,859intelligence officer for the five or

35900:19:08,980 --> 00:19:14,200ninth Bomb Group as far as I can tell

36000:19:11,859 --> 00:19:16,118and the rest of the UFO historians can

36100:19:14,200 --> 00:19:18,249tell he was pretty much up on everything

36200:19:16,118 --> 00:19:19,928that was in the air at the time and he

36300:19:18,249 --> 00:19:22,629went on record saying I think there's a

36400:19:19,929 --> 00:19:24,51978 or 79 when he first came out with the

36500:19:22,628 --> 00:19:28,959proclamation and an interview with

36600:19:24,519 --> 00:19:31,388Stanton he said what we recovered was

36700:19:28,960 --> 00:19:35,860not a weather balloon it was not of this

36800:19:31,388 --> 00:19:37,689planet and by the way I was ordered to

36900:19:35,859 --> 00:19:40,329escort this stuff make sure it got to

37000:19:37,690 --> 00:19:42,548wright-patterson Air Force Base so if we

371


00:19:40,329 --> 00:19:45,609believe Jesse Marcel there are two

37200:19:42,548 --> 00:19:49,118things that you can take to the bank one

37300:19:45,609 --> 00:19:50,949it was not a weather balloon and two the

37400:19:49,118 --> 00:19:53,709material went to wright-patterson Air

37500:19:50,950 --> 00:19:55,298Force Base that being said you got to

37600:19:53,710 --> 00:19:57,730ask himself the question why

37700:19:55,298 --> 00:19:59,980wright-patterson well in 1947

37800:19:57,730 --> 00:20:02,259wright-patterson Air Force Base was the

37900:19:59,980 --> 00:20:04,778center of the aeronautical engineering

38000:20:02,259 --> 00:20:06,519universe so if anything fell out of the

38100:20:04,778 --> 00:20:08,470sky and we want to know more about it

38200:20:06,519 --> 00:20:10,868you would take it to a place like

38300:20:08,470 --> 00:20:13,089wright-patterson because they had the

38400:20:10,868 --> 00:20:16,689scientists there they had money they had

38500:20:13,089 --> 00:20:19,178


facilities they had secrecy oaths they

38600:20:16,690 --> 00:20:21,070had equipment they needed amps they had

38700:20:19,179 --> 00:20:23,740everything you absolutely needed to at

38800:20:21,069 --> 00:20:26,230least initially evaluate what you have

38900:20:23,740 --> 00:20:31,628and kind of sorted into a bin it's ours

39000:20:26,230 --> 00:20:36,579it's not ours well also there was from

39100:20:31,628 --> 00:20:38,4691947 on to 1969 were projects that the

39200:20:36,579 --> 00:20:41,349Air Force said were for the

39300:20:38,470 --> 00:20:43,079investigation of just these types of

39400:20:41,349 --> 00:20:46,048incidents and there was project sign

39500:20:43,079 --> 00:20:52,599project grudge and plot project Bluebook

39600:20:46,048 --> 00:20:53,769so they had from 1947 to 1969 the

39700:20:52,599 --> 00:20:55,569projects were housed there

39800:20:53,769 --> 00:20:58,839wright-patterson and this was widely

39900:20:55,569 --> 00:21:01,450dhawan everybody knew that the woowoo


40000:20:58,839 --> 00:21:03,289stuff in UFOs and ETS were based at

40100:21:01,450 --> 00:21:08,210wright-patterson Air Force Base

40200:21:03,289 --> 00:21:11,269that permeated the entire population of

40300:21:08,210 --> 00:21:14,269the base so no matter who I asked about

40400:21:11,269 --> 00:21:17,059the initial week of my indoctrination we

40500:21:14,269 --> 00:21:18,889have aliens in the tunnels everyone to a

40600:21:17,059 --> 00:21:22,069person said yeah we all know about that

40700:21:18,890 --> 00:21:24,259stuff so long history unimpeachable

40800:21:22,069 --> 00:21:26,329sources no doubt in my mind that

40900:21:24,259 --> 00:21:30,619wright-patterson Air Force Base handled

41000:21:26,329 --> 00:21:31,970that recovered material early in the

41100:21:30,619 --> 00:21:34,250evaluation process

41200:21:31,970 --> 00:21:35,960great what is the security like at

41300:21:34,250 --> 00:21:37,849wright-patterson when it comes to topics


41400:21:35,960 --> 00:21:39,710like this and the reason why I bring

41500:21:37,849 --> 00:21:42,139that up is I have a very good friend of

41600:21:39,710 --> 00:21:43,819mine in Las Vegas who's lived there a

41700:21:42,140 --> 00:21:47,270long time he's part of the rock and roll

41800:21:43,819 --> 00:21:50,629scene there and in the rock and roll

41900:21:47,269 --> 00:21:53,359scene they talk about aliens they talked

42000:21:50,630 --> 00:21:56,420about the paranormal I never really knew

42100:21:53,359 --> 00:22:01,129that much until he filled me in and one

42200:21:56,420 --> 00:22:03,259day curiosity got to him and he waited

42300:22:01,130 --> 00:22:07,280for one of the Janet Jets at McCarran

42400:22:03,259 --> 00:22:10,609International Air Field to unload and he

42500:22:07,279 --> 00:22:12,829followed one of the people home and by

42600:22:10,609 --> 00:22:14,779the time he turned around to get back

42700:22:12,829 --> 00:22:17,649onto the street to get back towards his

428


00:22:14,779 --> 00:22:19,879house he was surrounded by black SUVs

42900:22:17,650 --> 00:22:21,140basically telling them that if he didn't

43000:22:19,880 --> 00:22:23,780want to go to jail for the rest of his

43100:22:21,140 --> 00:22:26,900life never do that again

43200:22:23,779 --> 00:22:30,399never feed that curiosity is it pretty

43300:22:26,900 --> 00:22:34,100much the same like that at wright-patt I

43400:22:30,400 --> 00:22:37,700never felt that but you know there were

43500:22:34,099 --> 00:22:41,109buildings on the base where I'm sure

43600:22:37,700 --> 00:22:44,080there were programs that probably had

43700:22:41,109 --> 00:22:46,609equal if not higher security

43800:22:44,079 --> 00:22:48,799requirements than the project I work and

43900:22:46,609 --> 00:22:50,509I can tell you that you know I worked in

44000:22:48,799 --> 00:22:53,059building 6 2000 wright-patterson Air

44100:22:50,509 --> 00:22:54,980Force Base and that is a highly secure

44200:22:53,059 --> 00:22:57,679


building you know first you have to get

44300:22:54,980 --> 00:23:00,049on the base so it requires a pass and

44400:22:57,680 --> 00:23:01,730you know they can use your chip reader

44500:23:00,049 --> 00:23:05,750and determine you know if it's a valid

44600:23:01,730 --> 00:23:08,690card then you need a other mm-hmm

44700:23:05,750 --> 00:23:11,029authorization to use a card either that

44800:23:08,690 --> 00:23:13,850one or a second card to get into a

44900:23:11,029 --> 00:23:16,309building and in fact building 620 is

45000:23:13,849 --> 00:23:16,869such a controlled building you had card

45100:23:16,309 --> 00:23:22,899readers

45200:23:16,869 --> 00:23:25,629then if you were on a project that

45300:23:22,900 --> 00:23:27,790required that you might work in a vault

45400:23:25,630 --> 00:23:30,190and of course know through the course of

45500:23:27,789 --> 00:23:34,389my career especially early on I actually

45600:23:30,190 --> 00:23:36,940worked in a vault so only certain


45700:23:34,390 --> 00:23:41,020individuals were allowed interest into

45800:23:36,940 --> 00:23:45,850the vault and in in some cases only the

45900:23:41,019 --> 00:23:48,430boss had the code to get in so you know

46000:23:45,849 --> 00:23:50,049we'd all sit there waiting for the boss

46100:23:48,430 --> 00:23:52,058to show up and he'd open up the vault in

46200:23:50,049 --> 00:23:54,220the morning now you could get out and

46300:23:52,058 --> 00:23:56,470you know because they had you know the

46400:23:54,220 --> 00:23:58,539fire thing anyone could could leave the

46500:23:56,470 --> 00:24:00,308vault at any time but then there was a

46600:23:58,539 --> 00:24:01,928certain protocol for getting back in

46700:24:00,308 --> 00:24:03,460during the day during the working you

46800:24:01,929 --> 00:24:05,950had to go to the bathroom or you know

46900:24:03,460 --> 00:24:09,039make a phone call there are other

47000:24:05,950 --> 00:24:12,490facilities there that are even more


47100:24:09,039 --> 00:24:15,220complex you know to get into the vault

47200:24:12,490 --> 00:24:17,890you would need a third card or you know

47300:24:15,220 --> 00:24:23,558a more access and then you know it could

47400:24:17,890 --> 00:24:25,780be nested from there so what I think

47500:24:23,558 --> 00:24:27,819your friend encountered was some

47600:24:25,779 --> 00:24:29,769counterintelligence people they want to

47700:24:27,819 --> 00:24:31,960make sure that certain individuals

47800:24:29,769 --> 00:24:33,308working at area 51 or wherever that

47900:24:31,960 --> 00:24:35,650plane was coming bad form

48000:24:33,308 --> 00:24:36,910wouldn't be followed so you know they're

48100:24:35,650 --> 00:24:38,860being observed and their

48200:24:36,910 --> 00:24:40,630counterintelligence folks and they

48300:24:38,859 --> 00:24:42,219caught your friend snooping and doing

48400:24:40,630 --> 00:24:44,559something which he really shouldn't been

485


00:24:42,220 --> 00:24:47,049doing does that happen in wright-patt

48600:24:44,558 --> 00:24:48,700never happened to me so I can't tell you

48700:24:47,049 --> 00:24:52,720but I can tell you that there are some

48800:24:48,700 --> 00:24:55,090very very secure places on that base how

48900:24:52,720 --> 00:24:57,039much of it is underground how much is it

49000:24:55,089 --> 00:25:00,480that people can't see because that's

49100:24:57,039 --> 00:25:02,859probably where all the action is right

49200:25:00,480 --> 00:25:05,799you know I couldn't answer that question

49300:25:02,859 --> 00:25:08,229there are tunnels and vaults vaults and

49400:25:05,799 --> 00:25:09,789tunnels every building pretty much has a

49500:25:08,230 --> 00:25:12,339basement you know unless it's sitting on

49600:25:09,789 --> 00:25:14,139the water table there are vaults on the

49700:25:12,339 --> 00:25:16,77914th floor there are vault in the

49800:25:14,140 --> 00:25:18,670basement you know I can't name a floor

49900:25:16,779 --> 00:25:22,149


that I couldn't find a vault in in you

50000:25:18,670 --> 00:25:25,090know certain buildings just today I had

50100:25:22,150 --> 00:25:27,400a discussion with somebody from the

50200:25:25,089 --> 00:25:30,289National Park Service we have a place

50300:25:27,400 --> 00:25:32,360called Huffman

50400:25:30,289 --> 00:25:36,200and it's where the Wright brothers

50500:25:32,359 --> 00:25:38,359perfected their flying in 1904 1905 and

50600:25:36,200 --> 00:25:40,220it's run by the National Park Service

50700:25:38,359 --> 00:25:42,109now and every once in a while they'll

50800:25:40,220 --> 00:25:43,970reel out a replica of the Wright Flyer

50900:25:42,109 --> 00:25:46,909like they're gonna do this Saturday they

51000:25:43,970 --> 00:25:47,420got a day long arrow Fair or something

51100:25:46,910 --> 00:25:49,340going on

51200:25:47,420 --> 00:25:50,960and so they were setting up for it and I

51300:25:49,339 --> 00:25:52,879was out there I'm running a marathon on


51400:25:50,960 --> 00:25:55,460the 17th of September the Air Force

51500:25:52,880 --> 00:25:58,220marathon so I was doing one of my final

51600:25:55,460 --> 00:26:01,009weekend you know we weekday run gel just

51700:25:58,220 --> 00:26:03,860several miles and in Huffman Prairie and

51800:26:01,009 --> 00:26:07,039I run across this guy and he and I wound

51900:26:03,859 --> 00:26:09,439up in the conversation about what's

52000:26:07,039 --> 00:26:12,440underground and he told me some stories

52100:26:09,440 --> 00:26:16,340I had never heard before but again you

52200:26:12,440 --> 00:26:18,289know I'm hesitant to say 'verily

52300:26:16,339 --> 00:26:20,240you know we've got spaces underground

52400:26:18,289 --> 00:26:23,690that are as big as a city because I

52500:26:20,240 --> 00:26:26,359never been there and and until I get

52600:26:23,690 --> 00:26:30,769evidence of that you know it's just

52700:26:26,359 --> 00:26:33,979speculation now that said you know we


52800:26:30,769 --> 00:26:35,509had b-52 bombers stationed at

52900:26:33,980 --> 00:26:37,970wright-patterson Air Force Base in fact

53000:26:35,509 --> 00:26:39,859in 1973 when I arrived they were always

53100:26:37,970 --> 00:26:42,620doing Hudson goes because we were still

53200:26:39,859 --> 00:26:44,509doing Vietnam things and you know the

53300:26:42,619 --> 00:26:45,889b-52s would literally Ravel the

53400:26:44,509 --> 00:26:47,599apartment that I love them

53500:26:45,890 --> 00:26:49,340and of course they had weapons there

53600:26:47,599 --> 00:26:52,308they had a welcome storage area and as

53700:26:49,339 --> 00:26:54,619far as I can tell it was underground now

53800:26:52,308 --> 00:26:57,470does that mean that there's a city under

53900:26:54,619 --> 00:26:59,299there I don't know do we have lots of

54000:26:57,470 --> 00:27:01,100storage space underground yeah because

54100:26:59,299 --> 00:27:02,419it available weapons storage area for

542


00:27:01,099 --> 00:27:04,699the most part it's going to be

54300:27:02,420 --> 00:27:07,070underground so maybe a lot of those

54400:27:04,700 --> 00:27:10,009rumors and speculations come from the

54500:27:07,069 --> 00:27:12,139fact that those weapons storage areas

54600:27:10,009 --> 00:27:15,259pretty much today are empty you know the

54700:27:12,140 --> 00:27:17,480b-52s are gone and you know our nuclear

54800:27:15,259 --> 00:27:19,549armament that used to be there is gone

54900:27:17,480 --> 00:27:21,860and who knows what they did with the

55000:27:19,549 --> 00:27:24,409facilities maybe turned him into a

55100:27:21,859 --> 00:27:26,750indoor soccer field I don't know do you

55200:27:24,410 --> 00:27:33,290think there are still a lien or an alien

55300:27:26,750 --> 00:27:35,720presidents at wright-patterson again I

55400:27:33,289 --> 00:27:39,649don't know but you know look at

55500:27:35,720 --> 00:27:43,069wright-patterson you have just about

55600:27:39,650 --> 00:27:43,730


100% maybe one or two squadrons we don't

55700:27:43,069 --> 00:27:46,309have

55800:27:43,730 --> 00:27:48,620Air Force research labs that are

55900:27:46,309 --> 00:27:50,929resident unlike person in fact they did

56000:27:48,619 --> 00:27:53,209the consolidation and you know they they

56100:27:50,930 --> 00:27:55,190move the folks and a lot also some Eglin

56200:27:53,210 --> 00:27:57,500up here and from Hanscom up here and

56300:27:55,190 --> 00:27:59,150they closed down the place that was in

56400:27:57,500 --> 00:28:00,920mesa arizona and they brought them here

56500:27:59,150 --> 00:28:03,050and you know they brought people from

56600:28:00,920 --> 00:28:06,830Brooks Air Force Base so they built you

56700:28:03,049 --> 00:28:10,009know several new buildings and you know

56800:28:06,829 --> 00:28:12,230it is even a larger consolidation of

56900:28:10,009 --> 00:28:14,930anything and everything that's aerospace

57000:28:12,230 --> 00:28:17,059including folks that might do human


57100:28:14,930 --> 00:28:19,519research and you know it's not a far

57200:28:17,059 --> 00:28:24,019step from there to doing research on

57300:28:19,519 --> 00:28:26,930another biological entity so we still

57400:28:24,019 --> 00:28:28,849have the people with the clearances we

57500:28:26,930 --> 00:28:31,190still have the contracting agencies we

57600:28:28,849 --> 00:28:33,109still have machines and money and

57700:28:31,190 --> 00:28:34,549everything that would be necessary so

57800:28:33,109 --> 00:28:36,759why not like that

57900:28:34,549 --> 00:28:39,079and we still have the security there so

58000:28:36,759 --> 00:28:43,250it's certainly within the realm of my

58100:28:39,079 --> 00:28:46,639possibilities do you think a lot of that

58200:28:43,250 --> 00:28:49,130was shipped over to area 51 in Nevada or

58300:28:46,640 --> 00:28:55,130maybe what they're calling area area 52

58400:28:49,130 --> 00:28:57,470in Dugway would they have shipped up


58500:28:55,130 --> 00:28:59,540there you know I think it depends you

58600:28:57,470 --> 00:29:04,809know they could have set up a place that

58700:28:59,539 --> 00:29:07,460has better machinery better access to

58800:29:04,809 --> 00:29:10,129individuals that could be hired to do

58900:29:07,460 --> 00:29:12,920the research so they would move it you

59000:29:10,130 --> 00:29:14,150know as a convenience and you know we're

59100:29:12,920 --> 00:29:17,840all familiar with the bob was our

59200:29:14,150 --> 00:29:19,610stories of how they flew these recovered

59300:29:17,839 --> 00:29:21,379craft and we talked about the sport

59400:29:19,609 --> 00:29:23,779model and all these other things and

59500:29:21,380 --> 00:29:26,630then he brought John Lear out there and

59600:29:23,779 --> 00:29:28,599you know they filmed these objects going

59700:29:26,630 --> 00:29:31,760up an ear that looked very much like

59800:29:28,599 --> 00:29:33,889craft that made maneuvers that we can

599


00:29:31,759 --> 00:29:38,180only do you know with a hyperactive

60000:29:33,890 --> 00:29:39,740helicopter so those type of things if we

60100:29:38,180 --> 00:29:41,420had them and they would have been here

60200:29:39,740 --> 00:29:43,279let's say you know for initial

60300:29:41,420 --> 00:29:45,289evaluation I don't think we would have

60400:29:43,279 --> 00:29:47,990kept in here because there's not a lot

60500:29:45,289 --> 00:29:49,220of hidden space where you can fly those

60600:29:47,990 --> 00:29:52,250things undetected

60700:29:49,220 --> 00:29:54,230where you know pre Bob Lazar nobody knew

60800:29:52,250 --> 00:29:56,029about it and they had space where they

60900:29:54,230 --> 00:29:58,009had this huge perimeter and

61000:29:56,029 --> 00:30:01,250and I guess you know peekaboo peek was

61100:29:58,009 --> 00:30:02,690probably as close as anyone got so you

61200:30:01,250 --> 00:30:04,069know they had the space out there to do

61300:30:02,690 --> 00:30:06,350


those kinds of things

61400:30:04,069 --> 00:30:09,649but if you think about it you know if I

61500:30:06,349 --> 00:30:11,569got some spectrometry equipment here

61600:30:09,650 --> 00:30:13,850that I can analyze a piece of metal and

61700:30:11,569 --> 00:30:16,309I dip a guy you know a three inch square

61800:30:13,849 --> 00:30:18,079how much room do I need how much

61900:30:16,309 --> 00:30:21,049security donate I give it to a guy and

62000:30:18,079 --> 00:30:23,449say hey put this in your your your x-ray

62100:30:21,049 --> 00:30:26,299diffraction machine and tell me what you

62200:30:23,450 --> 00:30:28,700know about it and you know a week later

62300:30:26,299 --> 00:30:30,889you sworn to secrecy he has no idea what

62400:30:28,700 --> 00:30:33,799he evaluated and he only needed the

62500:30:30,890 --> 00:30:35,780space like a ten-by-ten lab so do we

62600:30:33,799 --> 00:30:38,089need the move stuff to area 51 or

62700:30:35,779 --> 00:30:40,940elsewhere no we don't really have a need


62800:30:38,089 --> 00:30:44,389to do that I think white cat could still

62900:30:40,940 --> 00:30:47,090be doing some of that you mentioned that

63000:30:44,390 --> 00:30:50,270the workers at wright-patt are very

63100:30:47,089 --> 00:30:53,599familiar with the extraterrestrial

63200:30:50,269 --> 00:30:56,019involvement there does this mean that

63300:30:53,599 --> 00:30:58,219they are currently working on

63400:30:56,019 --> 00:31:01,819extraterrestrial activity or they just

63500:30:58,220 --> 00:31:04,420know the rumors I think they know the

63600:31:01,819 --> 00:31:06,889rumors but that doesn't rule out that

63700:31:04,420 --> 00:31:08,960they could be working on something and

63800:31:06,890 --> 00:31:11,480you know you think about it you have the

63900:31:08,960 --> 00:31:12,740materials directorate of air force

64000:31:11,480 --> 00:31:15,559research labs and they're loaded with

64100:31:12,740 --> 00:31:18,319equipment and expertise you have the


64200:31:15,559 --> 00:31:19,849human factors people in AR ferrell at

64300:31:18,319 --> 00:31:21,710with just air force research lab you

64400:31:19,849 --> 00:31:22,879have sensors director you know you have

64500:31:21,710 --> 00:31:25,069all would direct at the propulsion

64600:31:22,880 --> 00:31:26,330directed flight dynamics you know

64700:31:25,069 --> 00:31:30,169anything and everything with

64800:31:26,329 --> 00:31:32,659aeronautical engineering and why not

64900:31:30,170 --> 00:31:35,360bring it there for evaluation again how

65000:31:32,660 --> 00:31:39,830long we keep it there I don't know but

65100:31:35,359 --> 00:31:42,439let's look at the culture recently you

65200:31:39,829 --> 00:31:44,629know I I still have friends who work at

65300:31:42,440 --> 00:31:47,920wright-patterson because after my

65400:31:44,630 --> 00:31:52,180engineering days were kind of over I was

65500:31:47,920 --> 00:31:57,050picked by the base commander to run a

656


00:31:52,180 --> 00:31:58,670base-wide civilian wellness program and

65700:31:57,049 --> 00:32:01,039now I know you're gone hey this guy's an

65800:31:58,670 --> 00:32:04,670engineer you know that's what he did for

65900:32:01,039 --> 00:32:06,82940 years how did this happen well I took

66000:32:04,670 --> 00:32:08,600a little side turn because I'm a

66100:32:06,829 --> 00:32:09,689certified personal trainer through the

66200:32:08,599 --> 00:32:13,139Cooper Institute

66300:32:09,690 --> 00:32:14,820and a four-star general his name was

66400:32:13,140 --> 00:32:17,880speedy Martin he was head of Air Force

66500:32:14,819 --> 00:32:19,529Materiel Command several years before I

66600:32:17,880 --> 00:32:21,720retired he said you know what we have

66700:32:19,529 --> 00:32:25,460too many of our leading scientists and

66800:32:21,720 --> 00:32:27,870and and other civilians on the base

66900:32:25,460 --> 00:32:29,910checking out on us early because of

67000:32:27,869 --> 00:32:33,089


strokes and heart attacks and long

67100:32:29,910 --> 00:32:35,820illnesses we need to start monitoring

67200:32:33,089 --> 00:32:37,829our civilian workforce and getting them

67300:32:35,819 --> 00:32:39,359help that they should be getting on

67400:32:37,829 --> 00:32:41,039their own but don't because they're too

67500:32:39,359 --> 00:32:44,339busy because there's to dedicate it and

67600:32:41,039 --> 00:32:49,170we need a program to push civilian

67700:32:44,339 --> 00:32:50,759wellness so that basically didn't make

67800:32:49,170 --> 00:32:52,590it through and a lot of us to kiss and

67900:32:50,759 --> 00:32:54,990speedy Martin through the email don't

68000:32:52,589 --> 00:32:58,169give up you know because the the unions

68100:32:54,990 --> 00:33:00,779voted against it so we pushed them and

68200:32:58,170 --> 00:33:03,720he pushed back and wound up starting

68300:33:00,779 --> 00:33:07,799this program and I was selected based on

68400:33:03,720 --> 00:33:09,720my email background in Fitness to do


68500:33:07,799 --> 00:33:12,509that for Air Force research labs which I

68600:33:09,720 --> 00:33:14,610did and then I became the director for

68700:33:12,509 --> 00:33:16,349the whole base so I had now 10,000

68800:33:14,609 --> 00:33:19,589people underneath me and where I'm going

68900:33:16,349 --> 00:33:23,069with the story is is everyone on that

69000:33:19,589 --> 00:33:25,859base knew who I was because I was one of

69100:33:23,069 --> 00:33:29,849only a handful of people who had the

69200:33:25,859 --> 00:33:33,299authority to send an email out to the

69300:33:29,849 --> 00:33:38,759entire base population without that

69400:33:33,299 --> 00:33:40,799email being reviewed by anybody so you

69500:33:38,759 --> 00:33:42,450know you had the a FMC four-star general

69600:33:40,799 --> 00:33:44,639you had the base commander you know you

69700:33:42,450 --> 00:33:47,420had the emergency guys they could all

69800:33:44,640 --> 00:33:51,180send out an email to the entire base I


69900:33:47,420 --> 00:33:52,920was given the holy water sprinkling to

70000:33:51,180 --> 00:33:54,600do that because I was running a

70100:33:52,920 --> 00:33:58,890base-wide program and was working

70200:33:54,599 --> 00:34:02,609directly for the base commander so even

70300:33:58,890 --> 00:34:04,590today I can reach back and get

70400:34:02,609 --> 00:34:07,709information or you know people will talk

70500:34:04,589 --> 00:34:10,949to me and somebody that I know who works

70600:34:07,710 --> 00:34:12,949in FTD are you familiar with FTD no I'm

70700:34:10,949 --> 00:34:15,629not is there the flower company want it

70800:34:12,949 --> 00:34:17,250no it's the forum it's the foreign

70900:34:15,630 --> 00:34:21,000technology division and they're the ones

71000:34:17,250 --> 00:34:23,280who ran Project Blue Book so a friend of

71100:34:21,000 --> 00:34:26,250mine who works in FTD and this is a long

71200:34:23,280 --> 00:34:29,340answer to your question I talked to him

713


00:34:26,250 --> 00:34:31,019months ago and I asked him about the

71400:34:29,340 --> 00:34:33,960aliens because he works in the building

71500:34:31,019 --> 00:34:36,480that even Barry Goldwater thought the

71600:34:33,960 --> 00:34:37,740aliens were in to be evaluated and

71700:34:36,480 --> 00:34:39,659that's where the material would have

71800:34:37,739 --> 00:34:43,519come in initially that was their job to

71900:34:39,659 --> 00:34:46,200collect material from foreign entities

72000:34:43,519 --> 00:34:47,519well my son said that they were doing

72100:34:46,199 --> 00:34:49,618some duct work and there were loud

72200:34:47,519 --> 00:34:51,599noises all through the building but it

72300:34:49,619 --> 00:34:53,250seemed to emanate from the walls because

72400:34:51,599 --> 00:34:55,530of the way the duct work ran through the

72500:34:53,250 --> 00:34:57,389building and he said the joke was

72600:34:55,530 --> 00:35:02,190everyone goes every time they've heard

72700:34:57,389 --> 00:35:05,608


another bang it's the aliens well this

72800:35:02,190 --> 00:35:07,889is 2015 when this is happening and you

72900:35:05,608 --> 00:35:10,409know the Roswell crafts material came

73000:35:07,889 --> 00:35:13,980here in 1947 that's a lot of intervening

73100:35:10,409 --> 00:35:16,348years you know what's at 68 years and

73200:35:13,980 --> 00:35:18,179and so this is like the third generation

73300:35:16,349 --> 00:35:21,119of employees that are working there yet

73400:35:18,179 --> 00:35:24,659they're all familiar with the mythology

73500:35:21,119 --> 00:35:26,460effect ology of aliens FTD and

73600:35:24,659 --> 00:35:29,909wright-patterson Air Force Base and

73700:35:26,460 --> 00:35:32,369that's just one instance of it but I was

73800:35:29,909 --> 00:35:34,170surprised because you know this was a

73900:35:32,369 --> 00:35:37,650younger employee you know he's probably

74000:35:34,170 --> 00:35:39,358in his upper 20s early 30s and he and

74100:35:37,650 --> 00:35:42,030the rest of us his office are very


74200:35:39,358 --> 00:35:46,348familiar with that connection

74300:35:42,030 --> 00:35:49,500so it's alive and well today do you

74400:35:46,349 --> 00:35:51,150consider yourself Rea to be a form of a

74500:35:49,500 --> 00:35:53,338whistleblower in coming out with all

74600:35:51,150 --> 00:35:56,579this information I realize a lot of it

74700:35:53,338 --> 00:35:58,949is public but you have first hand on the

74800:35:56,579 --> 00:36:00,900boots on the ground information about

74900:35:58,949 --> 00:36:02,460wright-patt and the one thing that the

75000:36:00,900 --> 00:36:04,320military doesn't like is their own

75100:36:02,460 --> 00:36:06,659secrets or their own people coming out

75200:36:04,320 --> 00:36:09,109and talking about this sort of

75300:36:06,659 --> 00:36:09,108information

75400:36:09,739 --> 00:36:15,059well it's interesting I did a POC to the

75500:36:12,630 --> 00:36:18,420North Carolina MUFON organization and


75600:36:15,059 --> 00:36:19,858you know it was an hour and fifteen

75700:36:18,420 --> 00:36:21,900minute talk then I usually like to give

75800:36:19,858 --> 00:36:24,539a half hour for Q&A because I think

75900:36:21,900 --> 00:36:26,579people need to grill the speaker you

76000:36:24,539 --> 00:36:29,429know cross-examine him to make sure

76100:36:26,579 --> 00:36:31,500there's no fabrication so I did and the

76200:36:29,429 --> 00:36:34,879first question out of the chute was have

76300:36:31,500 --> 00:36:34,880they tried to kill you over this

76400:36:34,900 --> 00:36:41,240and I thought what's the crazy question

76500:36:37,818 --> 00:36:44,509you know if they wanted to stop me they

76600:36:41,239 --> 00:36:47,989should have when I called the literary

76700:36:44,510 --> 00:36:49,940office of the air force and said ladies

76800:36:47,989 --> 00:36:52,088and gentlemen you know I worked at the

76900:36:49,940 --> 00:36:54,528base for 39 years and eight months

770


00:36:52,088 --> 00:36:57,558something like that I said you know I'm

77100:36:54,528 --> 00:36:59,659publishing this book and 25% of it's all

77200:36:57,559 --> 00:37:01,910about right path they said do you have a

77300:36:59,659 --> 00:37:03,679publisher of contract I said no and they

77400:37:01,909 --> 00:37:06,858said well we don't need to talk to you I

77500:37:03,679 --> 00:37:09,558said one and I tried to explain again

77600:37:06,858 --> 00:37:12,769what I had they said no unless if you're

77700:37:09,559 --> 00:37:14,480self-publishing we this literary office

77800:37:12,769 --> 00:37:15,980are not obligated to talk to you so I

77900:37:14,480 --> 00:37:18,139said you don't want to get this in

78000:37:15,980 --> 00:37:20,150writing so I contacted ripe Edison's

78100:37:18,139 --> 00:37:22,489public affairs talked to a guy there and

78200:37:20,150 --> 00:37:24,019he said yep I'll get it for you and you

78300:37:22,489 --> 00:37:27,199know I got an email that says you

78400:37:24,019 --> 00:37:28,940


contacted us you were absolved you know

78500:37:27,199 --> 00:37:31,578you don't have a publishing contract so

78600:37:28,940 --> 00:37:33,858we don't want to speak to you so that

78700:37:31,579 --> 00:37:36,500being said you know I have a secrecy

78800:37:33,858 --> 00:37:40,969oath and to the best of my knowledge I

78900:37:36,500 --> 00:37:45,920am still complying with those

79000:37:40,969 --> 00:37:50,629requirements and what I've done though

79100:37:45,920 --> 00:37:52,278is you know there are things out on the

79200:37:50,630 --> 00:37:55,490base that you can visually see for

79300:37:52,278 --> 00:37:59,028example FTD the foreign technology

79400:37:55,489 --> 00:38:00,739division has a MIG fighter on a little

79500:37:59,028 --> 00:38:05,510concrete platform right in front of

79600:38:00,739 --> 00:38:08,509their building and everybody sees it in

79700:38:05,510 --> 00:38:09,770fact 10,000 marathoners well I don't

79800:38:08,510 --> 00:38:11,869think we have that many 7,000


79900:38:09,769 --> 00:38:13,579marathoners will run right past it on

80000:38:11,869 --> 00:38:16,039the 17th of September we'll go we'll all

80100:38:13,579 --> 00:38:20,960run right past the mid so it's not a

80200:38:16,039 --> 00:38:22,730secret so what I decided to do was hey

80300:38:20,960 --> 00:38:25,039if you're gonna lay it out there and I

80400:38:22,730 --> 00:38:27,349got a pair of ice and still working I'm

80500:38:25,039 --> 00:38:29,089gonna go see what I can find and I found

80600:38:27,349 --> 00:38:31,460some very interesting things like

80700:38:29,088 --> 00:38:36,338ancient burial mounds and I found these

80800:38:31,460 --> 00:38:39,559slabs that seem to correlate to some

80900:38:36,338 --> 00:38:42,650archaeological sites that are known and

81000:38:39,559 --> 00:38:46,490unknown and these could be burial sites

81100:38:42,650 --> 00:38:47,269so I decided to take some of the stories

81200:38:46,489 --> 00:38:50,118that I can


81300:38:47,268 --> 00:38:53,389verifying some of some of the narratives

81400:38:50,119 --> 00:38:55,489I've heard some of my own snooping which

81500:38:53,389 --> 00:38:57,528you know if you put a building out there

81600:38:55,489 --> 00:39:00,199and you know it's let's say it's

81700:38:57,528 --> 00:39:03,048building one and I tell people a story

81800:39:00,199 --> 00:39:05,599about building one how can I possibly be

81900:39:03,048 --> 00:39:07,699a violation of my security all you put

82000:39:05,599 --> 00:39:10,009the building out there it's visible on

82100:39:07,699 --> 00:39:12,229Google and but I take it a step further

82200:39:10,009 --> 00:39:15,619and yeah I might be on the hairy edge

82300:39:12,228 --> 00:39:19,398but you know in my estimation

82400:39:15,619 --> 00:39:23,959I've never violated that secrecy oath

82500:39:19,398 --> 00:39:29,748and in the best Clinton ease

82600:39:23,958 --> 00:39:36,558I have no intent on ever violating my

827


00:39:29,748 --> 00:39:38,538security make sense it totally makes

82800:39:36,559 --> 00:39:40,880sense and it's just very interesting

82900:39:38,539 --> 00:39:42,380that with the topics even though you're

83000:39:40,880 --> 00:39:45,199very close to the topics and you're

83100:39:42,380 --> 00:39:46,880pushing the edge you're Ray has anybody

83200:39:45,199 --> 00:39:48,168ever come up to you and just said you

83300:39:46,880 --> 00:39:50,329know you might want to be careful with

83400:39:48,168 --> 00:39:53,208this or have you ever had any warnings

83500:39:50,329 --> 00:39:57,109or anybody contact you and just say hey

83600:39:53,208 --> 00:39:58,908what are you up to here no but I've had

83700:39:57,108 --> 00:40:00,978some really interesting computer and

83800:39:58,909 --> 00:40:03,979phone issues since my book was getting

83900:40:00,978 --> 00:40:07,188near publication and whether they're

84000:40:03,978 --> 00:40:09,548coincidence or not I don't know I you

84100:40:07,188 --> 00:40:15,108


know as a computer guy I would put them

84200:40:09,548 --> 00:40:17,599in the category of denial of service so

84300:40:15,108 --> 00:40:19,338you know for the first time ever you

84400:40:17,599 --> 00:40:24,199know I was getting a blue screen for

84500:40:19,338 --> 00:40:25,578random reasons on my on my desktop which

84600:40:24,199 --> 00:40:27,499I never had before and this all started

84700:40:25,579 --> 00:40:30,729around September of this year as I was

84800:40:27,498 --> 00:40:34,879getting close to publishing my my word

84900:40:30,728 --> 00:40:38,598you know word 2010 was doing belly flops

85000:40:34,880 --> 00:40:40,789on me it never happened before I my

85100:40:38,599 --> 00:40:42,979internet service would cut in and out

85200:40:40,789 --> 00:40:45,019and I had a tea here there tech

85300:40:42,978 --> 00:40:46,998specialist three separate times with

85400:40:45,018 --> 00:40:50,088meters that were measuring the

85500:40:46,998 --> 00:40:54,228throughput but on my screen it said I


85600:40:50,088 --> 00:40:57,139had no internet connection they were

85700:40:54,228 --> 00:40:58,158there three three individuals it's

85800:40:57,139 --> 00:41:00,439documented

85900:40:58,159 --> 00:41:01,220they're totally befuddled they still

86000:41:00,438 --> 00:41:04,549don't know

86100:41:01,219 --> 00:41:06,709what's going on is it coincidence I

86200:41:04,550 --> 00:41:09,440don't know I'm gonna let the public

86300:41:06,710 --> 00:41:14,599judge that I've had incidents with my

86400:41:09,440 --> 00:41:16,358phone internet computer files but no one

86500:41:14,599 --> 00:41:19,369has really come up to me and said

86600:41:16,358 --> 00:41:22,029seasons exist in fact some people think

86700:41:19,369 --> 00:41:27,200that I'm being used as a conduit for

86800:41:22,030 --> 00:41:31,430soft disclosure because of the fact that

86900:41:27,199 --> 00:41:34,159nobody's come up to me and said seasons


87000:41:31,429 --> 00:41:37,460exist you know and in fact some of the

87100:41:34,159 --> 00:41:41,539material I've gotten you know it's been

87200:41:37,460 --> 00:41:43,909hard research but you know it's been

87300:41:41,539 --> 00:41:45,529hard come by but no one has said

87400:41:43,909 --> 00:41:47,449anything I mean my books out there and

87500:41:45,530 --> 00:41:49,250in fact I actually had one during the

87600:41:47,449 --> 00:41:54,589boot so come up to me and say I want to

87700:41:49,250 --> 00:41:56,659verify your men and black story which I

87800:41:54,590 --> 00:42:00,500found interesting because he's a former

87900:41:56,659 --> 00:42:03,348government employee but no I've not

88000:42:00,500 --> 00:42:06,230gotten anything so you know if they

88100:42:03,349 --> 00:42:08,690wanted to stop it they surely would have

88200:42:06,230 --> 00:42:10,880done it long before it reads publication

88300:42:08,690 --> 00:42:14,659let's talk about the men in black since

884


00:42:10,880 --> 00:42:16,190you bring that up I have never seen the

88500:42:14,659 --> 00:42:19,519men in black I've never had any

88600:42:16,190 --> 00:42:22,338encounters I knock on wood every time

88700:42:19,519 --> 00:42:24,800that I bring up this topic but I know a

88800:42:22,338 --> 00:42:28,099lot of people who had had the encounters

88900:42:24,800 --> 00:42:31,099who have had you know the warning signs

89000:42:28,099 --> 00:42:33,470or men in black or the vehicles in black

89100:42:31,099 --> 00:42:35,960or the helicopters in black whatever you

89200:42:33,469 --> 00:42:38,809know even the ants in black walking by

89300:42:35,960 --> 00:42:41,269their doors you know what's out like to

89400:42:38,809 --> 00:42:45,259have that feeling when men in black come

89500:42:41,269 --> 00:42:48,619up to you well it turns out that they're

89600:42:45,260 --> 00:42:52,160more I observed the men in black and I

89700:42:48,619 --> 00:42:54,190came up to one of them in fact I

89800:42:52,159 --> 00:42:57,799


actually came up to both of them that I

89900:42:54,190 --> 00:43:00,260discovered one was standing across the

90000:42:57,800 --> 00:43:02,330parking lot from FTD Florin technology

90100:43:00,260 --> 00:43:06,500division and I was on the golf course

90200:43:02,329 --> 00:43:07,848and it was May late May hot as all

90300:43:06,500 --> 00:43:10,338get-out of course because you know

90400:43:07,849 --> 00:43:11,960around the 15th of May we kind of hit a

90500:43:10,338 --> 00:43:13,639switch we get the humidity goes out the

90600:43:11,960 --> 00:43:15,610temperatures start going up as I was

90700:43:13,639 --> 00:43:18,129dressing all dark

90800:43:15,610 --> 00:43:20,079and had to had on the classic the

90900:43:18,130 --> 00:43:22,450quintessential men in black hat me was

91000:43:20,079 --> 00:43:24,849looking at a smartphone and I was

91100:43:22,449 --> 00:43:26,259driving along the course and he was

91200:43:24,849 --> 00:43:31,599sitting between the parking lot and


91300:43:26,260 --> 00:43:33,790there's a there's a graveyard that it's

91400:43:31,599 --> 00:43:35,319not on its original site and that is

91500:43:33,789 --> 00:43:37,179also one of the locations where I found

91600:43:35,320 --> 00:43:40,570this stone slab that we'll get into

91700:43:37,179 --> 00:43:45,099later and I saw this gentleman dressed

91800:43:40,570 --> 00:43:48,070as and he been at a convention of men

91900:43:45,099 --> 00:43:49,569and black you couldn't spot him from the

92000:43:48,070 --> 00:43:53,530rest of the guys he would have just look

92100:43:49,570 --> 00:43:56,890perfect so I went up to him and said hey

92200:43:53,530 --> 00:43:58,480you know this is kind of crazy but you

92300:43:56,889 --> 00:44:00,969know seeing as how you're standing on

92400:43:58,480 --> 00:44:03,400the campus of an intelligence agency and

92500:44:00,969 --> 00:44:06,309you're dressed like a man in black I

92600:44:03,400 --> 00:44:11,980just can't help but ask the question are


92700:44:06,309 --> 00:44:17,199you one of these guys and after a small

92800:44:11,980 --> 00:44:20,019hesitation he said no and I said well I

92900:44:17,199 --> 00:44:22,000gotta tell you you know it's hot out

93000:44:20,019 --> 00:44:24,250here I know you're in a state of these

93100:44:22,000 --> 00:44:26,500trees but you're wearing that hat too

93200:44:24,250 --> 00:44:30,940and to me it's like who dresses like

93300:44:26,500 --> 00:44:35,260that so he pauses long enough to take

93400:44:30,940 --> 00:44:42,130the hat off of his head and there I see

93500:44:35,260 --> 00:44:46,869he's totally bald not only that but he's

93600:44:42,130 --> 00:44:48,519got and olive tone to his skin and I'm

93700:44:46,869 --> 00:44:50,350kind of squinting there and I have great

93800:44:48,519 --> 00:44:53,199vision I don't wear any corrective

93900:44:50,349 --> 00:44:54,960lenses I don't wear contacts you know

94000:44:53,199 --> 00:44:59,679you go to the records go to my

941


00:44:54,960 --> 00:45:01,300optometrist and he's he's amazed so I'm

94200:44:59,679 --> 00:45:03,429looking at this thing and I go this is

94300:45:01,300 --> 00:45:05,950really strange and you know he looked

94400:45:03,429 --> 00:45:07,269normal normal size normal head except

94500:45:05,949 --> 00:45:10,509his head was totally bald

94600:45:07,269 --> 00:45:14,050and his entire face and head was the

94700:45:10,510 --> 00:45:19,869same color so you know we have a small

94800:45:14,050 --> 00:45:21,940conversation and you know I I asked him

94900:45:19,869 --> 00:45:23,680about you know men in black and no he

95000:45:21,940 --> 00:45:24,940says he's not and you know I was trying

95100:45:23,679 --> 00:45:27,309to prove to me he's wearing this hat

95200:45:24,940 --> 00:45:28,539let's get up because you know he's got

95300:45:27,309 --> 00:45:34,029this strange

95400:45:28,539 --> 00:45:39,070skin color and this half so um fast

95500:45:34,030 --> 00:45:41,620


forward a month and I talked to him

95600:45:39,070 --> 00:45:44,200about my book I see him again same spot

95700:45:41,619 --> 00:45:46,150you know same place on the edge of this

95800:45:44,199 --> 00:45:47,529parking lot and I go up to him I talking

95900:45:46,150 --> 00:45:52,690about my book and here's what he asked

96000:45:47,530 --> 00:45:54,100me he said do you know about area 51

96100:45:52,690 --> 00:45:55,240because he want to know if I was going

96200:45:54,099 --> 00:45:56,679to write about white cat I said yeah I

96300:45:55,239 --> 00:45:58,750said well are you writing anything about

96400:45:56,679 --> 00:46:00,849area 51 I go well I've never been there

96500:45:58,750 --> 00:46:04,420so I can't write anything about the area

96600:46:00,849 --> 00:46:06,94051 have you been there he said well yeah

96700:46:04,420 --> 00:46:08,650I said you're handy so absolutely and

96800:46:06,940 --> 00:46:10,420then he says well you know if you know

96900:46:08,650 --> 00:46:14,289the right people you can actually get a


97000:46:10,420 --> 00:46:16,059tour of area 51 well you know what do

97100:46:14,289 --> 00:46:17,650you know about area 51 and I know what I

97200:46:16,059 --> 00:46:19,809know about area 51 that sound like a

97300:46:17,650 --> 00:46:24,340really scary her to get into place right

97400:46:19,809 --> 00:46:26,380I just can't imagine what it would be

97500:46:24,340 --> 00:46:28,300like to go past the sign even though

97600:46:26,380 --> 00:46:32,309there's no gates I really don't want the

97700:46:28,300 --> 00:46:34,390camo dudes coming at me exactly so now

97800:46:32,309 --> 00:46:36,789you know this is one of those places

97900:46:34,389 --> 00:46:39,339where obviously it's the Holy Grail to

98000:46:36,789 --> 00:46:42,579UFO researchers I can do without a visit

98100:46:39,340 --> 00:46:46,240and he's basically telling me I can get

98200:46:42,579 --> 00:46:50,049you a tour of area 51 because I know the

98300:46:46,239 --> 00:46:52,000right people well there's a problem with


98400:46:50,050 --> 00:46:54,760that because you know after so many

98500:46:52,000 --> 00:46:56,380years your security clearance lapses and

98600:46:54,760 --> 00:46:58,660I had been retired long enough that that

98700:46:56,380 --> 00:47:01,329have indeed incurred but he doesn't know

98800:46:58,659 --> 00:47:04,059that because I'm playing on the basis

98900:47:01,329 --> 00:47:05,829Golf Course which is usually restricted

99000:47:04,059 --> 00:47:08,110for people who can get on the base in

99100:47:05,829 --> 00:47:10,269fact it's very much restricted to people

99200:47:08,110 --> 00:47:13,180who can get on the base so he must have

99300:47:10,269 --> 00:47:14,710just assumed that I was you know a base

99400:47:13,179 --> 00:47:17,980employee at the time instead of a

99500:47:14,710 --> 00:47:20,349retiree well you know this is like

99600:47:17,980 --> 00:47:23,289mind-blowing because I'm getting an

99700:47:20,349 --> 00:47:25,630invitation to her area 51 and I'm

998


00:47:23,289 --> 00:47:27,550thinking wow what an opportunity but at

99900:47:25,630 --> 00:47:29,440the same time I'm thinking I just told

100000:47:27,550 --> 00:47:31,870him I've written a book about UFOs in my

100100:47:29,440 --> 00:47:37,210passion and they may take me to area 51

100200:47:31,869 --> 00:47:39,339whereupon I would disappear forever so I

100300:47:37,210 --> 00:47:41,289decided that was a really good time to

100400:47:39,340 --> 00:47:41,890say hey thanks you know I can't do that

100500:47:41,289 --> 00:47:43,750because I don't have

100600:47:41,889 --> 00:47:46,029clearance anymore but you know nice

100700:47:43,750 --> 00:47:47,829meeting you and if you look at my book

100800:47:46,030 --> 00:47:50,160and I can't remember the page now but I

100900:47:47,829 --> 00:47:53,769want to say it's like 198 or something

101000:47:50,159 --> 00:47:57,460there's actually a picture of a man and

101100:47:53,769 --> 00:48:03,730black in there and it happens to be this

101200:47:57,460 --> 00:48:06,610


guy did you feel like he was human yeah

101300:48:03,730 --> 00:48:08,500he was playing smartphone and they're

101400:48:06,610 --> 00:48:10,329not allowed I don't think to have their

101500:48:08,500 --> 00:48:12,130phones on I think when they go in you

101600:48:10,329 --> 00:48:13,929know there's a little bin there like a

101700:48:12,130 --> 00:48:15,460tiny little Locker and they check stuff

101800:48:13,929 --> 00:48:17,109that they can't carry into the building

101900:48:15,460 --> 00:48:18,460with them and they come out and get a

102000:48:17,110 --> 00:48:20,710breath of fresh air because there's no

102100:48:18,460 --> 00:48:22,960windows in the building and they sit and

102200:48:20,710 --> 00:48:24,579they do their texting or you know play

102300:48:22,960 --> 00:48:27,250games or whatever yeah I thought it was

102400:48:24,579 --> 00:48:30,159very human there knows no you know men

102500:48:27,250 --> 00:48:33,489and black movie you know slanty double

102600:48:30,159 --> 00:48:36,569triple eyelid kind of thing going on he


102700:48:33,489 --> 00:48:39,519seemed very genuine but the skin tone

102800:48:36,570 --> 00:48:44,519and the dress the fact that he was

102900:48:39,519 --> 00:48:47,320dressed this way was just overwhelmingly

103000:48:44,519 --> 00:48:50,349suggestive and if he wanted to convince

103100:48:47,320 --> 00:48:54,880me that he was a man in black he did it

103200:48:50,349 --> 00:48:56,889in stage well for him to all of a sudden

103300:48:54,880 --> 00:48:59,890offer you a trip to area 51 he was

103400:48:56,889 --> 00:49:02,769either majorly pulling your leg or there

103500:48:59,889 --> 00:49:05,489was some reality to that especially with

103600:49:02,769 --> 00:49:07,989your right things in hand pretty much

103700:49:05,489 --> 00:49:12,039exactly and you know that's where this

103800:49:07,989 --> 00:49:15,849soft disclosure comes in you know I I

103900:49:12,039 --> 00:49:21,340know people who have been on programs

104000:49:15,849 --> 00:49:23,110where they used that terra firma to do


104100:49:21,340 --> 00:49:24,550their tests because you know it's

104200:49:23,110 --> 00:49:27,309isolated and often there's the right

104300:49:24,550 --> 00:49:30,280support out there and you know they do

104400:49:27,309 --> 00:49:33,130tests out there and I had a chance to go

104500:49:30,280 --> 00:49:35,380out there to be an observer for one of

104600:49:33,130 --> 00:49:36,640these programs but unfortunately you

104700:49:35,380 --> 00:49:38,740know when they riddled the list down

104800:49:36,639 --> 00:49:41,529only the brass was allowed to go and

104900:49:38,739 --> 00:49:44,349they were mostly GS 15s and SPSS and

105000:49:41,530 --> 00:49:45,850Generals so you know I was the next

105100:49:44,349 --> 00:49:47,440level down and was told you know I'm

105200:49:45,849 --> 00:49:50,170sorry but there's only so much room on

105300:49:47,440 --> 00:49:51,730the bus I don't miss it you know I don't

105400:49:50,170 --> 00:49:53,180care one way or the other

1055


00:49:51,730 --> 00:49:55,219blood

105600:49:53,179 --> 00:49:57,259you know the fact is that I knew people

105700:49:55,219 --> 00:49:59,509who went out there and did testing so

105800:49:57,260 --> 00:50:01,430you know it's it's not out it's not like

105900:49:59,510 --> 00:50:03,170I can't get my head around it it's just

106000:50:01,429 --> 00:50:05,329I couldn't get my head around this

106100:50:03,170 --> 00:50:08,420person talking about it and basically

106200:50:05,329 --> 00:50:09,889you know in other terms telling me how I

106300:50:08,420 --> 00:50:14,690didn't get you at or out there that was

106400:50:09,889 --> 00:50:17,118kind of mind-blowing did you feel fear

106500:50:14,690 --> 00:50:20,780or was it just something not at all

106600:50:17,119 --> 00:50:22,640reality not at all no it was he was just

106700:50:20,780 --> 00:50:25,280like it was just like you know the guy

106800:50:22,639 --> 00:50:26,750we'd interested in fact he took my name

106900:50:25,280 --> 00:50:29,990


I gave him my first name and my email

107000:50:26,750 --> 00:50:32,389address because I said look if I took

107100:50:29,989 --> 00:50:34,129your picture a closer picture of a man

107200:50:32,389 --> 00:50:38,358in black dressed like you and I put it

107300:50:34,130 --> 00:50:39,769in a book the book will be famous you'll

107400:50:38,358 --> 00:50:40,639be absolutely famous he goes well what

107500:50:39,769 --> 00:50:42,739are you offering me I said well I'm

107600:50:40,639 --> 00:50:44,779often you'll cut of the proceeds because

107700:50:42,739 --> 00:50:46,579you mean like and you didn't use the

107800:50:44,780 --> 00:50:49,430word for damn yeah royalty I said yeah

107900:50:46,579 --> 00:50:52,130royalty he goes well you know I don't

108000:50:49,429 --> 00:50:53,838think and again I document this within

108100:50:52,130 --> 00:50:57,490the book because I meant both

108200:50:53,838 --> 00:51:00,650conversations I had with him and I say

108300:50:57,489 --> 00:51:02,689he said to me in this environment we


108400:51:00,650 --> 00:51:05,088shouldn't have this kind of exposure and

108500:51:02,690 --> 00:51:07,460and I said what environment he nods

108600:51:05,088 --> 00:51:09,259towards the building which is FTD the

108700:51:07,460 --> 00:51:11,480former home of Blue Book and I will

108800:51:09,260 --> 00:51:14,030fully understand of course and he's he's

108900:51:11,480 --> 00:51:16,849saying you know people in my you know

109000:51:14,030 --> 00:51:18,470whatever I do in there shouldn't

109100:51:16,849 --> 00:51:24,289shouldn't have this kind of exposure and

109200:51:18,469 --> 00:51:27,259I couldn't agree with him more so no

109300:51:24,289 --> 00:51:29,989there was no fear was just like hey I'm

109400:51:27,260 --> 00:51:32,210letting you know what it is and and you

109500:51:29,989 --> 00:51:34,338know I'm intrigued by the fact that

109600:51:32,210 --> 00:51:36,289you're writing a book which is probably

109700:51:34,338 --> 00:51:39,710going to include this conversation and


109800:51:36,289 --> 00:51:41,659the building that I work in and maybe he

109900:51:39,710 --> 00:51:43,250was just doing it to see what my

110000:51:41,659 --> 00:51:45,969reaction was you know was I gonna be

110100:51:43,250 --> 00:51:49,099floored you know was gonna be impressed

110200:51:45,969 --> 00:51:50,299you know it was all of the above but you

110300:51:49,099 --> 00:51:52,609know it's kind of cool on the outside

110400:51:50,300 --> 00:51:54,890but on the inside I was going oh man gee

110500:51:52,608 --> 00:51:56,838is this really happening but it was cool

110600:51:54,889 --> 00:51:58,098I think was kind of neat and I think

110700:51:56,838 --> 00:52:00,529there was some respect that you know I

110800:51:58,099 --> 00:52:03,109was a retiree you know I let him know

110900:52:00,530 --> 00:52:05,060that and you know there was a high level

111000:52:03,108 --> 00:52:05,639you know an executive level person from

111100:52:05,059 --> 00:52:07,788the base

1112


00:52:05,639 --> 00:52:10,469and I think you have to respect that -

111300:52:07,789 --> 00:52:12,150well on that note you could see where he

111400:52:10,469 --> 00:52:13,768would maybe gain some trust because of

111500:52:12,150 --> 00:52:16,798your security clearance like you just

111600:52:13,768 --> 00:52:18,598said at any time did he contact you

111700:52:16,798 --> 00:52:20,400afterwards or was that the final

111800:52:18,599 --> 00:52:22,950conversation that you ever had with this

111900:52:20,400 --> 00:52:25,858gentleman that was a second conversation

112000:52:22,949 --> 00:52:27,838I ever had with and I'm sure if I were

112100:52:25,858 --> 00:52:31,920to book the tea time and pass by that

112200:52:27,838 --> 00:52:33,538spot or drive past there you know the

112300:52:31,920 --> 00:52:38,278time of day you know I'll just use the

112400:52:33,539 --> 00:52:41,339photo stamp of the photo I took in which

112500:52:38,278 --> 00:52:43,440shows him in silhouette and a blinding

112600:52:41,338 --> 00:52:45,480


light coming off of a windshield so

112700:52:43,440 --> 00:52:47,460there's no way you can identify him but

112800:52:45,480 --> 00:52:51,599you can clearly see the clothes he's in

112900:52:47,460 --> 00:52:53,130and you know I could go back and find

113000:52:51,599 --> 00:52:55,619the time of day I'm sure I could

113100:52:53,130 --> 00:52:57,630probably engage him again the question

113200:52:55,619 --> 00:52:59,608is do I really want to and and I

113300:52:57,630 --> 00:53:03,568actually haven't even thought about that

113400:52:59,608 --> 00:53:06,568yet if I really wanted to do that so but

113500:53:03,568 --> 00:53:09,568I did have another men and black

113600:53:06,568 --> 00:53:13,108observation which happened at a local

113700:53:09,568 --> 00:53:16,349restaurant and I saw a man who I do have

113800:53:13,108 --> 00:53:18,509two very clear of photos of up close

113900:53:16,349 --> 00:53:22,588because he was at a table about 15 feet

114000:53:18,509 --> 00:53:25,679away and he was dressed in the full men


114100:53:22,588 --> 00:53:27,989in black regalia and it looked to me

114200:53:25,679 --> 00:53:36,328like he was shooting pictures of me

114300:53:27,989 --> 00:53:38,818sitting at my table that's how I yeah

114400:53:36,329 --> 00:53:41,309and you know you know today you know the

114500:53:38,818 --> 00:53:44,489cellphone scan can take from both sides

114600:53:41,309 --> 00:53:49,980now yeah some of the cameras can't and

114700:53:44,489 --> 00:53:51,989and he was holding the phone he was

114800:53:49,980 --> 00:53:53,818holding it in such a position that it

114900:53:51,989 --> 00:53:56,278could have looked like he was reading it

115000:53:53,818 --> 00:53:58,829but why wouldn't he have had it above

115100:53:56,278 --> 00:54:00,690the desktop you is that one of these

115200:53:58,829 --> 00:54:03,450I'll call it a bar but it's a

115300:54:00,690 --> 00:54:05,190free-standing you know about four foot

115400:54:03,449 --> 00:54:07,139four and a half foot high in the middle


115500:54:05,190 --> 00:54:09,568of this restaurant it's more of a beer

115600:54:07,139 --> 00:54:12,328place and he was holding it underneath

115700:54:09,568 --> 00:54:14,308the table top so you know maybe this

115800:54:12,329 --> 00:54:16,528shielded from other eyes he could have

115900:54:14,309 --> 00:54:18,720easily just held it up but it looked to

116000:54:16,528 --> 00:54:19,659me like unless he was trying to get some

116100:54:18,719 --> 00:54:22,239glare

116200:54:19,659 --> 00:54:24,879it was pointed in my direction and I saw

116300:54:22,239 --> 00:54:26,828the screen snap a couple times and then

116400:54:24,880 --> 00:54:29,710you know he kind of turned it so I

116500:54:26,829 --> 00:54:31,539couldn't see it and of course he now got

116600:54:29,710 --> 00:54:33,750my curiosity up so I went up and talked

116700:54:31,539 --> 00:54:36,068to them and again I I basically

116800:54:33,750 --> 00:54:38,349generally asked him if he was one of the

1169


00:54:36,068 --> 00:54:40,269men in black and he laughed no and he

117000:54:38,349 --> 00:54:42,550told me he was a fundraiser and I won't

117100:54:40,269 --> 00:54:45,699tell you for who and so I still need to

117200:54:42,550 --> 00:54:49,059track that down but my question is who

117300:54:45,699 --> 00:54:52,000dresses like that and especially the

117400:54:49,059 --> 00:54:53,859time of year was you know again if

117500:54:52,000 --> 00:54:56,409somebody wanted me to think they were

117600:54:53,858 --> 00:54:57,940men in black mission accomplished there

117700:54:56,409 --> 00:55:00,639was no doubt in my mind that this guy

117800:54:57,940 --> 00:55:03,159you know was either just early for

117900:55:00,639 --> 00:55:07,179Halloween or you know he was dressed in

118000:55:03,159 --> 00:55:08,500you know the the soup du jour what do

118100:55:07,179 --> 00:55:14,529you think the role of the men in black

118200:55:08,500 --> 00:55:18,730actually is ray well I read I think it

118300:55:14,530 --> 00:55:23,519


was to keep really really good evidence

118400:55:18,730 --> 00:55:27,068out of the public's hands to obfuscate

118500:55:23,519 --> 00:55:29,650what was good facts that were out there

118600:55:27,068 --> 00:55:33,009that researchers could find probably

118700:55:29,650 --> 00:55:36,789some witness intimidation I mean if

118800:55:33,010 --> 00:55:40,839you're familiar with the Stevens film

118900:55:36,789 --> 00:55:43,048lights there was Ricky Searles

119000:55:40,838 --> 00:55:48,058I hope I'm pronouncing his name right

119100:55:43,048 --> 00:55:53,670you know these these crafts appeared

119200:55:48,059 --> 00:55:56,829over Stephenville and they were seen by

119300:55:53,670 --> 00:55:58,450constable Gaytan and Steve Smith and

119400:55:56,829 --> 00:56:01,809there was a pilot and all these guys

119500:55:58,449 --> 00:56:04,210have been on TV and Ricky Sorrels story

119600:56:01,809 --> 00:56:07,089was the most compelling you know he's a

119700:56:04,210 --> 00:56:08,798rancher he's going out to check on the


119800:56:07,088 --> 00:56:10,358livestock you know mixture they're all

119900:56:08,798 --> 00:56:13,409behind the gate they're supposed to be

120000:56:10,358 --> 00:56:16,480and you know it's it's Twilight and and

120100:56:13,409 --> 00:56:20,199he's of course a rancher so you know

120200:56:16,480 --> 00:56:22,329he's got his varmint gun with him and he

120300:56:20,199 --> 00:56:26,259feels a sensation or hears a hum and he

120400:56:22,329 --> 00:56:32,240looks up and he testified on multiple

120500:56:26,260 --> 00:56:36,440occasions that he's looking at a craft

120600:56:32,239 --> 00:56:39,109that totally blocks out the rest of the

120700:56:36,440 --> 00:56:44,240sky he described it as being you know

120800:56:39,110 --> 00:56:46,940three miles long and 2 miles wide

120900:56:44,239 --> 00:56:52,609and the the bottom of his craft had

121000:56:46,940 --> 00:56:55,400dimples that were 50 feet across the

121100:56:52,610 --> 00:56:57,800dimples and through the scope of his gun


121200:56:55,400 --> 00:57:00,440which he had in his hand he looked up

121300:56:57,800 --> 00:57:03,050and couldn't see any seams so there are

121400:57:00,440 --> 00:57:05,26950 for the cross and 50 foot apart and

121500:57:03,050 --> 00:57:07,340the thing 3 miles wide and somewhere you

121600:57:05,269 --> 00:57:10,190know you can find a video paper or

121700:57:07,340 --> 00:57:11,870youtube pay for this thing and so in the

121800:57:10,190 --> 00:57:14,440ensuing days when after Ricky goes

121900:57:11,869 --> 00:57:17,029public he encounters men in black

122000:57:14,440 --> 00:57:20,150driving up his ranch road and standing

122100:57:17,030 --> 00:57:22,100out there daring him to engage them and

122200:57:20,150 --> 00:57:23,809of course he's got a family in there and

122300:57:22,099 --> 00:57:25,699he has no idea you know he's a really

122400:57:23,809 --> 00:57:29,719isn't he doesn't know men in black from

122500:57:25,699 --> 00:57:31,909you know Venus so he describes this

1226


00:57:29,719 --> 00:57:33,799fully the guys dress and how many visits

122700:57:31,909 --> 00:57:35,659he had and that kind of thing so you

122800:57:33,800 --> 00:57:37,250know was somebody putting him on was

122900:57:35,659 --> 00:57:39,529somebody trying to you know extend a

123000:57:37,250 --> 00:57:41,090myth I don't know but I can tell you

123100:57:39,530 --> 00:57:44,420that you know as recently as the

123200:57:41,090 --> 00:57:46,850Stevensville lights ricky Sorel's had

123300:57:44,420 --> 00:57:48,920visitors who were dressed and he

123400:57:46,849 --> 00:57:52,099described with other people identified

123500:57:48,920 --> 00:57:53,990as men in black so it seems to me you

123600:57:52,099 --> 00:57:55,489know it's like well we're still here

123700:57:53,989 --> 00:57:57,409shut up and you know we're going to

123800:57:55,489 --> 00:58:01,639scare you just enough you know to buy

123900:57:57,409 --> 00:58:04,429your silence that's how I view them and

124000:58:01,639 --> 00:58:06,049


hopefully I'll never meet one that

124100:58:04,429 --> 00:58:08,659actually comes up to me first I

124200:58:06,050 --> 00:58:13,580basically come up to them because I

124300:58:08,659 --> 00:58:16,819think it's hilarious I don't know how I

124400:58:13,579 --> 00:58:18,409would react if all of a sudden you know

124500:58:16,820 --> 00:58:21,380I talked about something on this show

124600:58:18,409 --> 00:58:23,420that got me a little bit of a visit or

124700:58:21,380 --> 00:58:26,079all of a sudden the black Cadillac or

124800:58:23,420 --> 00:58:28,970something parked outside my door and

124900:58:26,079 --> 00:58:31,549zoom lens is coming in or whatever it

125000:58:28,969 --> 00:58:33,919could be I I really don't know if I

125100:58:31,550 --> 00:58:37,160would be as calm as you I mean in one

125200:58:33,920 --> 00:58:38,780way and not to sound you know exuberant

125300:58:37,159 --> 00:58:41,029but I think I would be excited about it

125400:58:38,780 --> 00:58:43,940that I'm being followed by these guys


125500:58:41,030 --> 00:58:45,740but on the I think when reality set in I

125600:58:43,940 --> 00:58:51,590would probably be

125700:58:45,739 --> 00:58:54,019Gared stiff yeah I I'm not sure what my

125800:58:51,590 --> 00:58:57,619reaction would be but you know my book

125900:58:54,019 --> 00:59:00,500is out there I'm hoping that if they

126000:58:57,619 --> 00:59:03,769exist they've read it and see that you

126100:59:00,500 --> 00:59:05,690know I've I've opened up a new theory

126200:59:03,769 --> 00:59:08,900some new theories there I found some new

126300:59:05,690 --> 00:59:12,019evidence I've put some pieces together

126400:59:08,900 --> 00:59:13,910that previously weren't put together and

126500:59:12,019 --> 00:59:17,079could have been put together because I

126600:59:13,909 --> 00:59:21,799was central to those stories and to

126700:59:17,079 --> 00:59:23,599identifying evidence and and and so

126800:59:21,800 --> 00:59:25,490that's one of the things that makes my


126900:59:23,599 --> 00:59:29,150book unique there's information in there

127000:59:25,489 --> 00:59:31,159that was never published in fact if we

127100:59:29,150 --> 00:59:33,230still have a time here in the first hour

127200:59:31,159 --> 00:59:36,859I'd like to tell you a Stanton Freeman's

127300:59:33,230 --> 00:59:38,750story about my book I would love a

127400:59:36,860 --> 00:59:42,650Stanton Friedman story and we have to

127500:59:38,750 --> 00:59:44,690get into him a little bit because when

127600:59:42,650 --> 00:59:47,210we talked about Roswell and the San

127700:59:44,690 --> 00:59:50,210Agustin crash earlier on in this program

127800:59:47,210 --> 00:59:51,858in the first half hour and I have had

127900:59:50,210 --> 00:59:54,829Gerald Anderson on this show who

128000:59:51,858 --> 00:59:57,259witnessed the crash as a five-year-old

128100:59:54,829 --> 00:59:58,819as well as reneik Arkin who is

128200:59:57,260 --> 01:00:01,550investigating that as well as art

1283


00:59:58,820 --> 01:00:04,430Campbell and Stanton Friedman has

128401:00:01,550 --> 01:00:06,710totally clashed with that entire story

128501:00:04,429 --> 01:00:08,480in that entire investigation clan in

128601:00:06,710 --> 01:00:10,340regards to what happened at San Agustin

128701:00:08,480 --> 01:00:13,400so I think we need to get into that

128801:00:10,340 --> 01:00:15,019pretty heavy in the next half an hour

128901:00:13,400 --> 01:00:16,180after the break what do you say about

129001:00:15,019 --> 01:00:19,670that

129101:00:16,179 --> 01:00:22,460great and the break will be coming up in

129201:00:19,670 --> 01:00:24,769about two minutes we just have okay

129301:00:22,460 --> 01:00:27,800great two minutes time my friend that's

129401:00:24,769 --> 01:00:30,289just the way and I can do that I can do

129501:00:27,800 --> 01:00:32,930that and we'll just leave a cliffhanger

129601:00:30,289 --> 01:00:36,279at the International UFO Congress this

129701:00:32,929 --> 01:00:39,618


year just weeks prior to that happening

129801:00:36,280 --> 01:00:41,570my book was published and friend of mine

129901:00:39,619 --> 01:00:43,760as a von Smith who's one of my endorsers

130001:00:41,570 --> 01:00:45,740and she said wonderful bring three dozen

130101:00:43,760 --> 01:00:47,240copies with you and you can share my

130201:00:45,739 --> 01:00:49,009table and in return

130301:00:47,239 --> 01:00:51,858while I'm offering the experiencer

130401:00:49,010 --> 01:00:53,540sessions you can babysit my table and

130501:00:51,858 --> 01:00:56,750help sell my books which I was perfectly

130601:00:53,539 --> 01:00:59,068happy to do well guess whose table we

130701:00:56,750 --> 01:01:03,059were next to for the entire week

130801:00:59,068 --> 01:01:05,998Danton freemen wonderful man I had

130901:01:03,059 --> 01:01:08,009plenty of opportunity to talk to him and

131001:01:05,998 --> 01:01:11,098when we come back from the break I'll

131101:01:08,009 --> 01:01:13,409tell you about how he and I traded books


131201:01:11,099 --> 01:01:15,479the circumstances that had happened and

131301:01:13,409 --> 01:01:18,449the conversation that we had regarding

131401:01:15,478 --> 01:01:21,509Gerald Anderson and the crash on the

131501:01:18,449 --> 01:01:24,269plains of san agustin well that's an

131601:01:21,509 --> 01:01:26,159interesting crash site because it is the

131701:01:24,268 --> 01:01:28,889Forgotten one of the Roswell incident

131801:01:26,159 --> 01:01:31,348that's the one that was pushed under the

131901:01:28,889 --> 01:01:33,328rug like dust muddies when company is

132001:01:31,349 --> 01:01:36,420quickly coming over unexpectedly it's

132101:01:33,329 --> 01:01:38,130amazing how that one was just swept

132201:01:36,420 --> 01:01:42,088right under I mean and yet they

132301:01:38,130 --> 01:01:45,869celebrate Roswell every year and there's

132401:01:42,088 --> 01:01:48,869no mention of it no mention I am I

132501:01:45,869 --> 01:01:52,289address it in my book in a chapter all


132601:01:48,869 --> 01:01:54,690about the plains of San Agustin crash

132701:01:52,289 --> 01:01:56,849and what it means and the evidence and

132801:01:54,690 --> 01:01:59,599again we can get into that and I hate to

132901:01:56,849 --> 01:02:03,150you know give all of these unabashed

133001:01:59,599 --> 01:02:04,528sales pitches for the book but well I'm

133101:02:03,150 --> 01:02:06,028gonna get you to hold on the music's

133201:02:04,528 --> 01:02:07,708playing we're gonna step out you're

133301:02:06,028 --> 01:02:09,809listening to spaced out radio racial

133401:02:07,708 --> 01:02:12,958Manske is our guest 50 shades of grey

133501:02:09,809 --> 01:02:17,039get it on sale on Amazon right now we'll

133601:02:12,958 --> 01:02:19,348be back looking for news beyond the

133701:02:17,039 --> 01:02:22,140mainstream news headspace doubt

133801:02:19,349 --> 01:02:22,588radio.com and check out the SOR space

133901:02:22,139 --> 01:02:25,018water

1340


01:02:22,588 --> 01:02:27,268this is spaced out radios Eric Markham

134101:02:25,018 --> 01:02:29,728news director for the SOR space wire

134201:02:27,268 --> 01:02:31,679daily I will bring you the treating

134301:02:29,728 --> 01:02:34,129stories outlandish reports and what's

134401:02:31,679 --> 01:02:36,798going on around the world UFO sightings

134501:02:34,130 --> 01:02:39,479paranormal activity conspiracies

134601:02:36,798 --> 01:02:46,228alternative health and so much more and

134701:02:39,478 --> 01:02:47,968if you have news email hi there I'm

134801:02:46,228 --> 01:02:49,978butch wachowski lead investigator with

134901:02:47,969 --> 01:02:52,229you for cop on the final Monday of every

135001:02:49,978 --> 01:02:54,298month you can visit the me and host ape

135101:02:52,228 --> 01:02:56,278stuff on spaced-out radio Strange Days

135201:02:54,298 --> 01:02:57,778we're going to get to the heart of the

135301:02:56,278 --> 01:02:59,278matter when it comes to what's happening

135401:02:57,778 --> 01:03:01,498


out there people are seeing and

135501:02:59,278 --> 01:03:03,690experiencing things from et contact a

135601:03:01,498 --> 01:03:05,488Bigfoot and I want to hear about it your

135701:03:03,690 --> 01:03:07,048experiences or what we investigators

135801:03:05,489 --> 01:03:08,710need to help solve these unknown

135901:03:07,048 --> 01:03:17,050mysteries so to

136001:03:08,710 --> 01:03:18,940spaced-out radio.com greetings and

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136201:03:18,940 --> 01:03:22,139Chronicles of the unknown team

136301:03:22,318 --> 01:03:28,539what is corpuscle Bilbo

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137201:03:43,780 --> 01:03:47,019your questions have you ever wondered

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137501:03:48,400 --> 01:03:52,539you wonder if those stories are real me

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143601:06:35,610 --> 01:06:39,329[Music]

143701:06:37,340 --> 01:06:42,019have you ever had an extraterrestrial

143801:06:39,329 --> 01:06:44,009experience one you just couldn't explain

143901:06:42,019 --> 01:06:47,460well maybe I can help


144001:06:44,010 --> 01:06:49,290hello I am Samantha mullet on the second

144101:06:47,460 --> 01:06:51,449Tuesday of each month I will join Dave

144201:06:49,289 --> 01:06:54,150Scott on Spaceship radio to bring a

144301:06:51,449 --> 01:06:55,619human aspect to eg contact it's

144401:06:54,150 --> 01:06:57,690something I have lived with my entire

144501:06:55,619 --> 01:07:00,989life and I'd love to help you understand

144601:06:57,690 --> 01:07:02,789let's share our experiences the et

144701:07:00,989 --> 01:07:06,000experience the second Tuesday of each

144801:07:02,789 --> 01:07:08,369month only on spaced-out radio hi there

144901:07:06,000 --> 01:07:10,769this is Joleen with rivulet reichian

145001:07:08,369 --> 01:07:12,329readings and I want you to relax let me

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145201:07:12,329 --> 01:07:16,769your body mind and soul in this busy

145301:07:14,639 --> 01:07:18,869world sometimes we need to let go and

1454


01:07:16,769 --> 01:07:20,130this is where I can help visit my

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146901:07:52,500 --> 01:07:57,780more hope to see you there hi there this

147001:07:55,380 --> 01:07:59,340is your psychic medium Joanna and I

147101:07:57,780 --> 01:08:02,700would love it if you would join us every

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149901:09:04,819 --> 01:09:09,469spaced out radio show welcome back down

150001:09:07,880 --> 01:09:11,199we're number 2 of space town radio

150101:09:09,469 --> 01:09:14,689tonight good to have you along for

150201:09:11,198 --> 01:09:16,519tonight's ride as we continue along the

150301:09:14,689 --> 01:09:18,618ET highway here

150401:09:16,520 --> 01:09:20,989tonight's password in the sy our space

150501:09:18,618 --> 01:09:24,139travelers set by bill card well is

150601:09:20,988 --> 01:09:25,968enigmatic 'l enigmatical is your

150701:09:24,139 --> 01:09:28,009password for tonight he actually made

150801:09:25,969 --> 01:09:30,319one i could pronounce thank you bill for

150901:09:28,009 --> 01:09:32,509taking it easy on me after coming off

151001:09:30,319 --> 01:09:34,400that migraine last night I didn't want

1511


01:09:32,509 --> 01:09:36,319to apologize to all our listeners I know

151201:09:34,399 --> 01:09:38,358I don't have to you've already said that

151301:09:36,319 --> 01:09:40,489but I had to skip last night's show I

151401:09:38,359 --> 01:09:44,719came down with a migraine a couple hours

151501:09:40,488 --> 01:09:47,568before the show and luckily a good

151601:09:44,719 --> 01:09:49,100session of Reiki helped me out and a lot

151701:09:47,569 --> 01:09:52,310of sleep I ended up getting some sleep

151801:09:49,100 --> 01:09:54,639last night and I am all better today so

151901:09:52,310 --> 01:09:56,900thank you so much for your patience and

152001:09:54,639 --> 01:09:59,539unfortunately me having to cancel last

152101:09:56,899 --> 01:10:02,719night's show due to a migraine but we're

152201:09:59,539 --> 01:10:06,289off and running tonight tomorrow night

152301:10:02,719 --> 01:10:08,448on the show the paranormal Housewives of

152401:10:06,289 --> 01:10:10,189California are going to join us we're

152501:10:08,448 --> 01:10:13,428


going to talk about this all woman

152601:10:10,189 --> 01:10:16,219paranormal team and Kristen a thorn who

152701:10:13,429 --> 01:10:17,960has been a guest on this show her group

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155701:11:18,649 --> 01:11:22,699is on Bigfoot this week everything

155801:11:20,479 --> 01:11:24,409that's spaced out radio.com tonight we

155901:11:22,699 --> 01:11:27,109are talking with the author of fifty

156001:11:24,409 --> 01:11:30,079shades of Gray's yes

156101:11:27,109 --> 01:11:31,880aliens were talking Rachel Minsky is our

156201:11:30,079 --> 01:11:36,738guest ray thank you so much for being

156301:11:31,880 --> 01:11:38,270with us thanks Dave it's awesome right

156401:11:36,738 --> 01:11:40,250before the break we kind of teased the

156501:11:38,270 --> 01:11:44,210audience that you know for many who

156601:11:40,250 --> 01:11:46,850don't know there was two crashes in Roz

156701:11:44,210 --> 01:11:49,460or in New Mexico Roswell is the famous

1568


01:11:46,850 --> 01:11:52,039one the little known one is San Agustin

156901:11:49,460 --> 01:11:54,560and to be honest with you I had no clue

157001:11:52,039 --> 01:11:55,369this crash exists until I had about a

157101:11:54,560 --> 01:11:57,950year and a half ago

157201:11:55,369 --> 01:12:00,260Arendt Campbell on the show which led to

157301:11:57,949 --> 01:12:03,500reneik Arkin which led to a gentleman

157401:12:00,260 --> 01:12:06,470named Gerald Anderson who at five years

157501:12:03,500 --> 01:12:09,500old him his father his cousin and his

157601:12:06,470 --> 01:12:11,449uncle and his brother actually walked up

157701:12:09,500 --> 01:12:13,819on this crash site while they were

157801:12:11,449 --> 01:12:17,389looking for agates in the mountains and

157901:12:13,819 --> 01:12:19,219it's an amazing crash site that has been

158001:12:17,390 --> 01:12:21,710swept under the rug they were there for

158101:12:19,220 --> 01:12:26,90030 minutes before the military arrived

158201:12:21,710 --> 01:12:29,060


what do you know about San Agustin well

158301:12:26,899 --> 01:12:32,719I've had several conversations with

158401:12:29,060 --> 01:12:36,020Gerald Anderson and I've had many

158501:12:32,720 --> 01:12:39,110conversations and information exchanged

158601:12:36,020 --> 01:12:41,989with art Campbell reneik Arkin is a

158701:12:39,109 --> 01:12:43,399friend of mines he's overwhelms my email

158801:12:41,988 --> 01:12:47,629box with a lot of stuff is very

158901:12:43,399 --> 01:12:50,299productive and the story is that as you

159001:12:47,630 --> 01:12:50,779as you mentioned Gerald was five years

159101:12:50,300 --> 01:12:54,140old

159201:12:50,779 --> 01:12:56,420and he was on the plane to Santa Goosen

159301:12:54,140 --> 01:13:00,440which is a couple hundred miles outside

159401:12:56,420 --> 01:13:03,579of Roswell and they came across the the

159501:13:00,439 --> 01:13:07,189craft craft military came along shortly

159601:13:03,579 --> 01:13:08,960there were indications that a surveyor a


159701:13:07,189 --> 01:13:12,019government surveyor by the name of

159801:13:08,960 --> 01:13:14,600Barney Barnett was out there there was

159901:13:12,020 --> 01:13:16,340not indications that there was an

160001:13:14,600 --> 01:13:18,770archeological

160101:13:16,340 --> 01:13:21,890professor out there with a group and

160201:13:18,770 --> 01:13:24,080they saw the crafts they saw the craft

160301:13:21,890 --> 01:13:26,210come down the night before so they made

160401:13:24,079 --> 01:13:28,369a trek over you know when daylight

160501:13:26,210 --> 01:13:31,100happened and so there were supposedly

160601:13:28,369 --> 01:13:34,750several witnesses in addition to Gerald

160701:13:31,100 --> 01:13:41,030Anderson well

160801:13:34,750 --> 01:13:46,489the issue with Roswell is this so many

160901:13:41,029 --> 01:13:50,269people depend on Roswell as their cash

161001:13:46,489 --> 01:13:52,880cow and I'm sure I'm going to get a lot


161101:13:50,270 --> 01:13:55,610of hate mail for this and it's not their

161201:13:52,880 --> 01:13:59,449fault you know they did a lot of very

161301:13:55,609 --> 01:14:01,549good research they brought this story

161401:13:59,449 --> 01:14:03,729out when it had been buried for thirty

161501:14:01,550 --> 01:14:06,829years by the government they wrote

161601:14:03,729 --> 01:14:10,219fantastic books you know they've got a

161701:14:06,829 --> 01:14:14,059museum but there's a lot of money tied

161801:14:10,220 --> 01:14:16,340up in Roswell and most of the people who

161901:14:14,060 --> 01:14:20,600are into UFOs cut their teeth on Roswell

162001:14:16,340 --> 01:14:24,440so it's basically a sacred cow well

162101:14:20,600 --> 01:14:26,750along comes the story of a second class

162201:14:24,439 --> 01:14:31,549class now how could that have happen you

162301:14:26,750 --> 01:14:34,279know imagine two spacecraft coming

162401:14:31,550 --> 01:14:36,829together you know the unstoppable object

1625


01:14:34,279 --> 01:14:39,710hits the unmovable object and they tear

162601:14:36,829 --> 01:14:43,100holes in each other one falls in Corona

162701:14:39,710 --> 01:14:46,399seventy miles north of of Roswell and

162801:14:43,100 --> 01:14:48,740the other one you know rebounds and

162901:14:46,399 --> 01:14:50,509catches some energy and it flies out of

163001:14:48,739 --> 01:14:56,239control and crashes on the plains of San

163101:14:50,510 --> 01:14:58,520Agustin so what you have in Roswell is

163201:14:56,239 --> 01:15:01,939you have a very handy work force you

163301:14:58,520 --> 01:15:03,770have all those Airmen doing their jobs

163401:15:01,939 --> 01:15:06,469and suddenly they've got to go pick up

163501:15:03,770 --> 01:15:10,790this silvery trash on the foster ranch

163601:15:06,470 --> 01:15:14,000in Corona New Mexico and there were

163701:15:10,789 --> 01:15:16,279witnesses to this happening and so they

163801:15:14,000 --> 01:15:19,310bring those guys out and they bring all

163901:15:16,279 --> 01:15:22,309


the material back meanwhile on the same

164001:15:19,310 --> 01:15:25,670evening a second crash happens on the

164101:15:22,310 --> 01:15:27,920plains of san agustin well there is no

164201:15:25,670 --> 01:15:29,690handy work force nearby I'm not how many

164301:15:27,920 --> 01:15:31,969hundreds of miles it wasn't

164401:15:29,689 --> 01:15:34,549space but the best that they could do

164501:15:31,969 --> 01:15:37,520was you know get a few troops of him

164601:15:34,550 --> 01:15:43,250trucks out there take what they could

164701:15:37,520 --> 01:15:45,800and bulldoze the rest into the plains of

164801:15:43,250 --> 01:15:49,520San Agustin where Roswell was picked

164901:15:45,800 --> 01:15:54,650clean that's not what they could do out

165001:15:49,520 --> 01:15:57,290on the second site so Jarrell tells a

165101:15:54,649 --> 01:16:00,799story and I quite honestly don't know

165201:15:57,289 --> 01:16:04,010how the whole Plains thing came to

165301:16:00,800 --> 01:16:08,449fruition I if I dig deep I think


165401:16:04,010 --> 01:16:10,430somebody told the Roswell story and

165501:16:08,448 --> 01:16:13,759Gerald saw it in the newspaper and said

165601:16:10,430 --> 01:16:16,880hey maybe they're talking about my class

165701:16:13,760 --> 01:16:19,640and then he discovered no it's Roswell

165801:16:16,880 --> 01:16:21,680and he knew he wasn't in Roswell so

165901:16:19,640 --> 01:16:23,960suddenly he contacted probably Stanton

166001:16:21,680 --> 01:16:28,430Friedman who then interviewed him and

166101:16:23,960 --> 01:16:29,840fully believed this story so what kind

166201:16:28,430 --> 01:16:32,449of up to speed there yes there was a

166301:16:29,840 --> 01:16:34,279second crash and you mentioned our

166401:16:32,448 --> 01:16:38,119Campbell and he had apartment Chuck Wade

166501:16:34,279 --> 01:16:42,349and for a decade or so they went out to

166601:16:38,119 --> 01:16:45,590a site that Stanton Friedman had pointed

166701:16:42,350 --> 01:16:47,719out to him by Gerald Anderson and they


166801:16:45,590 --> 01:16:50,449went and they did this archeological dig

166901:16:47,719 --> 01:16:52,760every summer and they discovered little

167001:16:50,448 --> 01:16:57,198pieces of metal which they eventually

167101:16:52,760 --> 01:16:59,900had tested I the proper laboratories

167201:16:57,198 --> 01:17:02,299with high-tech equipment in the bottom

167301:16:59,899 --> 01:17:04,670line I believe the book if a spiral

167401:17:02,300 --> 01:17:07,880bound book put up by art Campbell and it

167501:17:04,670 --> 01:17:14,569was called finding the UFO crash at San

167601:17:07,880 --> 01:17:18,020Agustin the results of the tests were

167701:17:14,569 --> 01:17:23,090conclusive and the conclusions became to

167801:17:18,020 --> 01:17:28,130is the isotopic ratios of the material

167901:17:23,090 --> 01:17:31,219as tested and and proven by independent

168001:17:28,130 --> 01:17:33,500laboratories is that this material was

168101:17:31,219 --> 01:17:39,560more than likely not made on planet

1682


01:17:33,500 --> 01:17:41,939earth so if you think about this you

168301:17:39,560 --> 01:17:45,000have

168401:17:41,939 --> 01:17:48,419a second class site that's not the cash

168501:17:45,000 --> 01:17:51,260cow that's not the Holy Grail that's not

168601:17:48,420 --> 01:17:54,060been in the public consciousness since

168701:17:51,260 --> 01:17:57,2391979 or whatever the crash at Corona

168801:17:54,060 --> 01:18:01,920came out suddenly you have a second

168901:17:57,239 --> 01:18:05,550class site that not only is reasonable

169001:18:01,920 --> 01:18:08,970and documents prove that there were

169101:18:05,550 --> 01:18:13,710other witnesses besides Gerald there you

169201:18:08,970 --> 01:18:17,159have more evidence available then has

169301:18:13,710 --> 01:18:21,060been dug up in Roswell since 1979 you

169401:18:17,159 --> 01:18:24,059have material from the crash site which

169501:18:21,060 --> 01:18:28,289was dug up in conclusively proven not to

169601:18:24,060 --> 01:18:31,200


be of this earth I have the book in my

169701:18:28,289 --> 01:18:37,649hand right now that art Campbell

169801:18:31,199 --> 01:18:41,729actually signed for me and this crash do

169901:18:37,649 --> 01:18:43,909you believe the theory because that's

170001:18:41,729 --> 01:18:49,199all we can call it is that these two

170101:18:43,909 --> 01:18:51,659spacecraft collided over New Mexico as a

170201:18:49,199 --> 01:18:54,059result of not only the heavy radar

170301:18:51,659 --> 01:18:57,479during that time with all the nuclear

170401:18:54,060 --> 01:18:59,700testing going on but also maybe as a

170501:18:57,479 --> 01:19:02,329result of weather because that night

170601:18:59,699 --> 01:19:05,220there was supposedly a very large

170701:19:02,329 --> 01:19:07,109lightning storm going on and they think

170801:19:05,220 --> 01:19:09,420between the radar at least this is what

170901:19:07,109 --> 01:19:12,000Gerald Anderson told me he believes in

171001:19:09,420 --> 01:19:13,470his theory that between the radar that


171101:19:12,000 --> 01:19:15,420was going on combined with the

171201:19:13,470 --> 01:19:17,490thunderstorm and the lightning that was

171301:19:15,420 --> 01:19:20,250going that maybe lightning hit one of

171401:19:17,489 --> 01:19:22,199them they ended up colliding one crashes

171501:19:20,250 --> 01:19:23,760in san agustin the other one crashes in

171601:19:22,199 --> 01:19:27,079Corona which becomes the Roswell

171701:19:23,760 --> 01:19:30,539incident what is your theory on that

171801:19:27,079 --> 01:19:33,479both of those are plausible rather than

171901:19:30,539 --> 01:19:37,260you know lightning striking the craft I

172001:19:33,479 --> 01:19:39,949would think that maybe radar and/or the

172101:19:37,260 --> 01:19:42,720Lightning caused a glitch in the

172201:19:39,949 --> 01:19:45,899navigational capabilities and you know

172301:19:42,720 --> 01:19:49,530these things are moving at you know a

172401:19:45,899 --> 01:19:52,469hundred times the speed of light there's


172501:19:49,529 --> 01:19:54,389you know how what kind of earth distance

172601:19:52,470 --> 01:19:55,708they could travel in just a couple of

172701:19:54,390 --> 01:19:59,429seconds right you know with

172801:19:55,708 --> 01:20:02,969and nanoseconds so if they if they just

172901:19:59,429 --> 01:20:04,769had a very small glitch in only one of

173001:20:02,969 --> 01:20:07,800the navigational systems for whatever

173101:20:04,769 --> 01:20:11,130reason a collision is certainly possible

173201:20:07,800 --> 01:20:14,369and and the conditions were right to

173301:20:11,130 --> 01:20:16,019give you more than one reason for that

173401:20:14,368 --> 01:20:18,389interference to have happened so you

173501:20:16,019 --> 01:20:20,280know Gerald series as good as any I

173601:20:18,389 --> 01:20:22,229certainly would buy that you know my

173701:20:20,279 --> 01:20:23,639bachelor's degree is in electrical

173801:20:22,229 --> 01:20:25,729engineering so I have a little bit of

1739


01:20:23,639 --> 01:20:30,090background in those type of things

174001:20:25,729 --> 01:20:32,179certainly plausible so I I'm not sure

174101:20:30,090 --> 01:20:35,578that you're aware of this but you know

174201:20:32,179 --> 01:20:37,559and art had been out there for several

174301:20:35,578 --> 01:20:42,208years and they were finding small pieces

174401:20:37,559 --> 01:20:44,880of debris and finally Gerald said well

174501:20:42,208 --> 01:20:47,248guys I'd love to go out there and hunt

174601:20:44,880 --> 01:20:52,788with you have you ever used a metal

174701:20:47,248 --> 01:20:54,868detector and Ergun sucks it no and

174801:20:52,788 --> 01:20:56,219Gerald was like you gotta be kidding me

174901:20:54,868 --> 01:20:58,828so in 2011

175001:20:56,219 --> 01:21:01,170Gerald joins them and they show him

175101:20:58,828 --> 01:21:02,969where they've been prospecting for these

175201:21:01,170 --> 01:21:05,908pieces and where they dug stuff up and

175301:21:02,969 --> 01:21:08,849


Gerald said and this is just crazy to

175401:21:05,908 --> 01:21:11,158think that all this time went by and

175501:21:08,849 --> 01:21:12,360Gerald didn't participate in the dig but

175601:21:11,158 --> 01:21:14,069there were some things that were going

175701:21:12,359 --> 01:21:15,569on in the background and we'll get to

175801:21:14,069 --> 01:21:18,238those because I want to get back to the

175901:21:15,569 --> 01:21:21,090story of how Stanton freedom and got a

176001:21:18,238 --> 01:21:24,718copy of my book and it involves Gerald

176101:21:21,090 --> 01:21:27,719in some way so he goes out there in 2011

176201:21:24,719 --> 01:21:29,429and he takes a metal detector with them

176301:21:27,719 --> 01:21:32,788finds out where they're digging and said

176401:21:29,429 --> 01:21:34,889boys you're close but no cigar and he

176501:21:32,788 --> 01:21:37,828goes over like you know a hundred yards

176601:21:34,889 --> 01:21:42,689away and suddenly the metal detector

176701:21:37,828 --> 01:21:46,349goes crazy and they dig up a surface new


176801:21:42,689 --> 01:21:49,679material honeycomb material and just you

176901:21:46,349 --> 01:21:52,769know and and it was like aha moment for

177001:21:49,679 --> 01:21:54,689everybody because and and the end of the

177101:21:52,769 --> 01:21:56,789bunkers the skeptics the people who

177201:21:54,689 --> 01:21:59,789absolutely make no contribution

177301:21:56,788 --> 01:22:01,978whatsoever to not only do follow gee but

177401:21:59,788 --> 01:22:04,438they're just a waste of space and a

177501:22:01,979 --> 01:22:06,329waste of oxygen on this planet in my

177601:22:04,439 --> 01:22:08,699estimate and here comes the hate mail

177701:22:06,328 --> 01:22:09,479I'm going to love it they say well

177801:22:08,698 --> 01:22:13,469Gerald plan

177901:22:09,479 --> 01:22:16,109the material impossible it was done

178001:22:13,470 --> 01:22:17,760under strict controls and this material

178101:22:16,109 --> 01:22:22,409was eventually tested to be not of this


178201:22:17,760 --> 01:22:27,270planet so if Gerald planted the material

178301:22:22,409 --> 01:22:31,979it only strengthens his case because it

178401:22:27,270 --> 01:22:33,720means that Gerald had found material not

178501:22:31,979 --> 01:22:36,029made of this planet when he was five

178601:22:33,720 --> 01:22:37,640years old stored it away for 60-some

178701:22:36,029 --> 01:22:40,670years and then brought it out of hiding

178801:22:37,640 --> 01:22:44,190when he decided to go on an expedition

178901:22:40,670 --> 01:22:47,609with these people so listen closely

179001:22:44,189 --> 01:22:50,129debunkers if Gerald Anderson planted

179101:22:47,609 --> 01:22:52,559their material it was not of his planet

179201:22:50,130 --> 01:22:53,100and he had kept it hidden for sixty

179301:22:52,560 --> 01:22:56,160years

179401:22:53,100 --> 01:22:59,640so not a possibility not under the

179501:22:56,159 --> 01:23:03,029controls that were in vogue when they

1796


01:22:59,640 --> 01:23:07,590went out to do this hunt so it was a

179701:23:03,029 --> 01:23:09,630Tata moment an aha moment and you know

179801:23:07,590 --> 01:23:11,489Gerald had nothing to gain by this

179901:23:09,630 --> 01:23:15,480you know Gerald didn't write a book that

180001:23:11,488 --> 01:23:19,049I know of he wasn't doing a tour he was

180101:23:15,479 --> 01:23:21,899just trying to recollect some dignity

180201:23:19,050 --> 01:23:24,630because is this a good moment for you to

180301:23:21,899 --> 01:23:27,869get into the Gerald a understand some

180401:23:24,630 --> 01:23:29,489real controversy we can get into it and

180501:23:27,869 --> 01:23:31,890I think our audience needs to know a

180601:23:29,488 --> 01:23:34,229little bit more about Gerald because

180701:23:31,890 --> 01:23:36,930when he had this sighting he was only

180801:23:34,229 --> 01:23:40,349five years old and when he spoke on this

180901:23:36,930 --> 01:23:43,950show in January of 2015 this was the

181001:23:40,350 --> 01:23:47,370


first show that he had done in over 22

181101:23:43,949 --> 01:23:50,429years because he felt like he was

181201:23:47,369 --> 01:23:52,859absolutely ostracized for coming out and

181301:23:50,430 --> 01:23:54,630saying what he saw and he had people

181401:23:52,859 --> 01:23:56,309coming through and he said this on the

181501:23:54,630 --> 01:23:58,859air he had people coming through to him

181601:23:56,310 --> 01:24:01,020and up to him saying there is no way you

181701:23:58,859 --> 01:24:03,389could remember any of that at five years

181801:24:01,020 --> 01:24:06,000old obviously your imagination is

181901:24:03,390 --> 01:24:10,050playing you've over stretched some of

182001:24:06,000 --> 01:24:11,130these stories but on the flip side he

182101:24:10,050 --> 01:24:13,619lived on a base

182201:24:11,130 --> 01:24:16,890his father was a technician on a

182301:24:13,619 --> 01:24:19,409military base and he would run around

182401:24:16,890 --> 01:24:20,969like all the rest of the kids going to


182501:24:19,409 --> 01:24:23,250the military swimming pool because he

182601:24:20,969 --> 01:24:25,439had passes and he would be full

182701:24:23,250 --> 01:24:27,119everything so I would love for you to

182801:24:25,439 --> 01:24:28,919tell a little bit more story if you

182901:24:27,119 --> 01:24:33,180don't mind about who Gerald Anderson is

183001:24:28,920 --> 01:24:34,920I wish I could share that with you you

183101:24:33,180 --> 01:24:37,440know I've had some some private

183201:24:34,920 --> 01:24:39,719conversations with Gerald and

183301:24:37,439 --> 01:24:43,529unfortunately I'm gonna keep them there

183401:24:39,719 --> 01:24:45,779but what I think I can share is that you

183501:24:43,529 --> 01:24:47,460know Gerald Anderson came out with these

183601:24:45,779 --> 01:24:50,309claims and he came out of nowhere

183701:24:47,460 --> 01:24:51,270because he'd seen a show on television I

183801:24:50,310 --> 01:24:53,580think that's what it was


183901:24:51,270 --> 01:24:55,170he saw still on television and he

184001:24:53,579 --> 01:24:57,479thought they were talking about his

184101:24:55,170 --> 01:25:00,300craft and when he contacted those

184201:24:57,479 --> 01:25:02,159producers he did he discovered it was

184301:25:00,300 --> 01:25:05,489Roswell and not the plains of santoku

184401:25:02,159 --> 01:25:07,710Stan and I think the producers were

184501:25:05,488 --> 01:25:09,629connected to Stanton Friedman and then

184601:25:07,710 --> 01:25:14,189he talked to Stanton and told the story

184701:25:09,630 --> 01:25:17,930and and the reason that I think he was

184801:25:14,189 --> 01:25:20,729so reviled is because this would have

184901:25:17,930 --> 01:25:24,180directed attention away from the Roswell

185001:25:20,729 --> 01:25:27,059cast cow and there were people who took

185101:25:24,180 --> 01:25:31,190huge exception to him like Kevin Randle

185201:25:27,060 --> 01:25:33,840and others because they were making

1853


01:25:31,189 --> 01:25:35,250getting gobs of attention I'll say that

185401:25:33,840 --> 01:25:36,989much I don't know how much money they

185501:25:35,250 --> 01:25:39,448were making but they were getting gobs

185601:25:36,988 --> 01:25:41,189of attention over their connection in

185701:25:39,448 --> 01:25:43,738the books they wrote about Roswell

185801:25:41,189 --> 01:25:47,339so here's a guy coming out going well

185901:25:43,738 --> 01:25:48,929you know there's enough story for us to

186001:25:47,340 --> 01:25:50,460share you know it's possible because I

186101:25:48,930 --> 01:25:52,890know when I was where I was

186201:25:50,460 --> 01:25:57,329unfortunately you know I don't have the

186301:25:52,890 --> 01:26:01,980evidence I need and they thought he was

186401:25:57,329 --> 01:26:04,229a poacher so here was the downfall and I

186501:26:01,979 --> 01:26:08,879I think this is a good time to segue

186601:26:04,229 --> 01:26:14,099into that Gerald got angry with Kevin

186701:26:08,880 --> 01:26:17,430


Randle and he thought he could cast

186801:26:14,100 --> 01:26:19,410aspersions on Kevin by showing that

186901:26:17,430 --> 01:26:22,079Kevin was putting out false information

187001:26:19,409 --> 01:26:25,979so what Darryl did and this is a huge

187101:26:22,079 --> 01:26:26,550mistake he because Kevin wouldn't accept

187201:26:25,979 --> 01:26:28,619the story

187301:26:26,550 --> 01:26:30,810he wanted to prove to the world that

187401:26:28,619 --> 01:26:35,689Kevin had not interviewed him long

187501:26:30,810 --> 01:26:37,330enough to get all the facts so Gerald

187601:26:35,689 --> 01:26:41,409fabricated

187701:26:37,329 --> 01:26:43,930a phone bill that would show that he

187801:26:41,409 --> 01:26:45,460didn't talk to Kevin for an hour would

187901:26:43,930 --> 01:26:50,020show he only talked to him for like 30

188001:26:45,460 --> 01:26:54,939minutes and that was a terrible thing to

188101:26:50,020 --> 01:26:57,130do so eventually they contacted the


188201:26:54,939 --> 01:27:00,309researchers I think Stanton among them

188301:26:57,130 --> 01:27:03,190and Kevin they went and had em and I got

188401:27:00,310 --> 01:27:04,870the actual bill and it proved that Kevin

188501:27:03,189 --> 01:27:11,169was collect that had been at least an

188601:27:04,869 --> 01:27:14,289hour of an interview well because Gerald

188701:27:11,170 --> 01:27:16,840had little evidence other four years

188801:27:14,289 --> 01:27:19,090other than going back in 2011 and

188901:27:16,840 --> 01:27:20,619finding the mother lode of all of this

189001:27:19,090 --> 01:27:22,569material that tested to be

189101:27:20,619 --> 01:27:28,680extraterrestrial he had nothing at that

189201:27:22,569 --> 01:27:30,579point except memories and that's really

189301:27:28,680 --> 01:27:32,950everyone trying to guess and in fact

189401:27:30,579 --> 01:27:35,289Stanton Friedman turned against him and

189501:27:32,949 --> 01:27:37,920Stanton was as Li wrote him up in the


189601:27:35,289 --> 01:27:40,060book yeah you interviewed him had him

189701:27:37,920 --> 01:27:45,699polygraph which he passed with flying

189801:27:40,060 --> 01:27:47,200colors so fast forward now and and you

189901:27:45,699 --> 01:27:49,239know even in this book Stanton did

190001:27:47,199 --> 01:27:50,800revision saying you know I have to

190101:27:49,239 --> 01:27:55,029change my mind I have to back away from

190201:27:50,800 --> 01:27:58,720my support of Gerald Anderson fast

190301:27:55,029 --> 01:28:01,989forward to 2015 International UFO

190401:27:58,720 --> 01:28:04,990Congress Stanton Friedman is occupying

190501:28:01,989 --> 01:28:09,569the table at the expo immediately next

190601:28:04,989 --> 01:28:12,510to of on Smith's now my book has four

190701:28:09,569 --> 01:28:15,449wonderful people for world-class experts

190801:28:12,510 --> 01:28:17,619who are my endorsers and their

190901:28:15,449 --> 01:28:19,989endorsements are found on the back cover

1910


01:28:17,619 --> 01:28:21,760the book the first is Nick Pope

191101:28:19,989 --> 01:28:24,039everybody knows him and loves them

191201:28:21,760 --> 01:28:26,369Yvonne Smith the same thing with the

191301:28:24,039 --> 01:28:30,340Fonz has been one of the world's top

191401:28:26,369 --> 01:28:32,829regressed in this four years the person

191501:28:30,340 --> 01:28:37,840who put the Roswell movie together paul

191601:28:32,829 --> 01:28:41,470davids and the person who wrote the UFOs

191701:28:37,840 --> 01:28:45,340over Topanga Canyon UFOs over Arizona

191801:28:41,470 --> 01:28:47,710Preston Denham so Avon's table is up

191901:28:45,340 --> 01:28:50,470front sits right next to Stanton

192001:28:47,710 --> 01:28:51,960Friedman and he and I conversed every

192101:28:50,470 --> 01:28:55,570chance we get

192201:28:51,960 --> 01:28:58,090well there was a moment when lunch was

192301:28:55,569 --> 01:29:00,698over the crowd went back to the expo on

192401:28:58,090 --> 01:29:03,130


his off his table partner Kathleen

192501:29:00,698 --> 01:29:04,659Mardon everyone knows her she goes off

192601:29:03,130 --> 01:29:07,480and takes a break maybe grabs a lunch

192701:29:04,659 --> 01:29:10,109and I get on the other side of Staunton

192801:29:07,479 --> 01:29:12,009and you know I want to have a low-key

192901:29:10,109 --> 01:29:14,229conversation because I want to ask him a

193001:29:12,010 --> 01:29:18,340key question about the plains of san

193101:29:14,229 --> 01:29:19,959agustin and and by that point Stanton

193201:29:18,340 --> 01:29:21,850had already grabbed a copy of my book

193301:29:19,960 --> 01:29:23,170and we had exchanged those hymns a funny

193401:29:21,850 --> 01:29:25,840story that would be later

193501:29:23,170 --> 01:29:28,119I said Stanton here's something I got to

193601:29:25,840 --> 01:29:31,360know you know you first supported Gerald

193701:29:28,119 --> 01:29:33,729Anderson and you backed out in him and I

193801:29:31,359 --> 01:29:37,420wrote a little section in my book about


193901:29:33,729 --> 01:29:39,698that incident and I got a no now you

194001:29:37,420 --> 01:29:43,060know it's too late for my book for this

194101:29:39,698 --> 01:29:46,929edition but what's your current stance

194201:29:43,060 --> 01:29:49,800on Gerald Anderson was he had a class

194301:29:46,930 --> 01:29:53,560site on the plains of Santa Cruz town

194401:29:49,800 --> 01:29:56,110and with the famous pause you know he

194501:29:53,560 --> 01:29:58,420strokes his beard like okay you've

194601:29:56,109 --> 01:30:01,238published a book you're one of us now

194701:29:58,420 --> 01:30:07,480I'm going to level with you

194801:30:01,238 --> 01:30:10,359and he says to me you know he really

194901:30:07,479 --> 01:30:13,409made me angry with all that telephone

195001:30:10,359 --> 01:30:17,109bill business it was totally unnecessary

195101:30:13,409 --> 01:30:20,800he didn't need to do it I understand why

195201:30:17,109 --> 01:30:25,089he did it but it was really stupid but


195301:30:20,800 --> 01:30:27,909yes Gerald Anderson was there Gerald

195401:30:25,090 --> 01:30:33,010Anderson was at a crash site on the

195501:30:27,909 --> 01:30:38,198plains of Santa Gerstmann what do you

195601:30:33,010 --> 01:30:42,969think so for me happened to why all the

195701:30:38,198 --> 01:30:45,460crash because if I if I go back in time

195801:30:42,969 --> 01:30:48,640and I and I recall what Gerald told me

195901:30:45,460 --> 01:30:51,159he saw the beings he saw the ship he

196001:30:48,640 --> 01:30:53,140touched the ship and as hot as it was

196101:30:51,159 --> 01:30:56,109outside that ship was ice-cold

196201:30:53,140 --> 01:30:58,510he touched the gray one that was alive

196301:30:56,109 --> 01:31:01,630one that was wounded one that was dead

196401:30:58,510 --> 01:31:03,650and there were a couple dead and his

196501:31:01,630 --> 01:31:06,079father said no don't touch them

196601:31:03,649 --> 01:31:10,939what do you think happened to all of

1967


01:31:06,079 --> 01:31:14,119those bodies and that ship they would

196801:31:10,939 --> 01:31:16,299have taken that material to whatever

196901:31:14,119 --> 01:31:19,670place was set up to do the evaluation

197001:31:16,300 --> 01:31:24,440would wright-patterson have been a good

197101:31:19,670 --> 01:31:25,819place of course because you know they're

197201:31:24,439 --> 01:31:27,949still the center of aeronautical

197301:31:25,819 --> 01:31:29,659engineering at the time they had

197401:31:27,949 --> 01:31:31,399everything that we talked about before

197501:31:29,659 --> 01:31:33,649they had the personnel they had the

197601:31:31,399 --> 01:31:35,269secrecy oaths they had the classified

197701:31:33,649 --> 01:31:36,439places they could do it they had

197801:31:35,270 --> 01:31:38,180equipment they had money that

197901:31:36,439 --> 01:31:40,339contracting you know they could hire

198001:31:38,180 --> 01:31:42,530people that they needed if they didn't

198101:31:40,340 --> 01:31:43,880


have the right expertise so the only

198201:31:42,529 --> 01:31:45,559issue they would have to grapple with

198301:31:43,880 --> 01:31:48,859would be the logistics how they would

198401:31:45,560 --> 01:31:51,140get it there and again you know they

198501:31:48,859 --> 01:31:53,769would keep it under wraps they've

198601:31:51,140 --> 01:31:55,730already had the Roswell experience and

198701:31:53,770 --> 01:31:58,190you know they've already been through it

198801:31:55,729 --> 01:32:00,739once so I think it would have been just

198901:31:58,189 --> 01:32:02,239pro forma they would have done what

199001:32:00,739 --> 01:32:04,159they've done before maybe brought in

199101:32:02,239 --> 01:32:05,899some of the same people who had helped

199201:32:04,159 --> 01:32:07,399get the first shipment to wright-patt

199301:32:05,899 --> 01:32:10,159and and and take him at the

199401:32:07,399 --> 01:32:12,429wright-patterson absolutely no reason to

199501:32:10,159 --> 01:32:12,430think otherwise


199601:32:14,350 --> 01:32:21,470and yet Gerald's story really hasn't

199701:32:16,939 --> 01:32:24,529changed I'll tell you what the amazing

199801:32:21,470 --> 01:32:27,100thing is I interviewed jarrell and I

199901:32:24,529 --> 01:32:29,269would have to go I have an interview

200001:32:27,100 --> 01:32:32,510notebook here that I take copious notes

200101:32:29,270 --> 01:32:35,360and now I ask people if I can record

200201:32:32,510 --> 01:32:37,460them so I do that because you know I my

200301:32:35,359 --> 01:32:42,469note-taking is good but it it leaves a

200401:32:37,460 --> 01:32:45,829lot of holes and I took massive notes of

200501:32:42,470 --> 01:32:49,730Gerald and talking to him and I have to

200601:32:45,829 --> 01:32:51,710tell you that when I overlay that on the

200701:32:49,729 --> 01:32:53,509interview that I heard does it was

200801:32:51,710 --> 01:32:56,600posted on your website

200901:32:53,510 --> 01:33:02,510Rene pointed out to me when I overlaid


201001:32:56,600 --> 01:33:07,340that on my notes it was eerily and

201101:33:02,510 --> 01:33:12,920extraordinarily close it is as if Gerald

201201:33:07,340 --> 01:33:17,559had memorized that narrative and has it

201301:33:12,920 --> 01:33:19,599totally stone-cold memorized I mean

201401:33:17,559 --> 01:33:22,779rude forward there were phrases in there

201501:33:19,599 --> 01:33:25,899that I wrote down that were exactly what

201601:33:22,779 --> 01:33:29,198he told you now does he ever memorize

201701:33:25,899 --> 01:33:31,149you know it is it part of of who he is

201801:33:29,198 --> 01:33:33,458you know he's a police officer

201901:33:31,149 --> 01:33:36,489he's got great memory he has great

202001:33:33,458 --> 01:33:39,788recall is it that he told his story so

202101:33:36,488 --> 01:33:42,279many times the you know I've done

202201:33:39,788 --> 01:33:44,228several interviews in a casket police if

202301:33:42,279 --> 01:33:46,029you overlay what I say there's going to

2024


01:33:44,229 --> 01:33:47,439be a little bit of correlation but it

202501:33:46,029 --> 01:33:51,088depends upon who's asking me the

202601:33:47,439 --> 01:33:54,128questions I was amazed at how much of

202701:33:51,088 --> 01:33:58,029repetition it was between again my notes

202801:33:54,128 --> 01:33:59,918and and your your interview so I don't

202901:33:58,029 --> 01:34:03,128know what that tells me about Cyril

203001:33:59,918 --> 01:34:04,538Anderson but it's awfully spooky to me

203101:34:03,128 --> 01:34:06,878and you know maybe there's some

203201:34:04,538 --> 01:34:08,828psychiatrists or some psychologists who

203301:34:06,878 --> 01:34:10,559can cut through it and tell us all what

203401:34:08,828 --> 01:34:16,078it means but his story is

203501:34:10,559 --> 01:34:18,939extraordinarily consistent if anything

203601:34:16,078 --> 01:34:22,478and yet the credibility that Gerald has

203701:34:18,939 --> 01:34:24,609is far and few between I mean he felt so

203801:34:22,479 --> 01:34:27,550


burnt by everybody in that that they

203901:34:24,609 --> 01:34:30,179were they were so nice to him to take

204001:34:27,550 --> 01:34:33,909them to the site to show you know

204101:34:30,179 --> 01:34:35,439evidence of where the ship was and where

204201:34:33,908 --> 01:34:37,748things had crashed where the military

204301:34:35,439 --> 01:34:40,510came in he did a play-by-play for many

204401:34:37,748 --> 01:34:42,639people in that area and then it was

204501:34:40,510 --> 01:34:45,069almost like in the way he felt in the

204601:34:42,639 --> 01:34:47,739way he described it here and maybe I'm

204701:34:45,069 --> 01:34:51,339taking it that way is that he was just

204801:34:47,738 --> 01:34:54,698dropped like an empty can into a bucket

204901:34:51,338 --> 01:34:56,439you know of recyclables and oK we've got

205001:34:54,698 --> 01:34:58,148everything we want from you your story

205101:34:56,439 --> 01:35:00,579of your sighting is really not of

205201:34:58,149 --> 01:35:04,119importance anymore now we've got to find


205301:35:00,578 --> 01:35:06,128the evidence and lo and behold they

205401:35:04,118 --> 01:35:07,719actually found some metal material that

205501:35:06,128 --> 01:35:10,868the military had left behind that was

205601:35:07,719 --> 01:35:12,338still deep in the ground do you feel

205701:35:10,868 --> 01:35:14,078that that happened to him and do you

205801:35:12,338 --> 01:35:17,498think that's why he went silent for so

205901:35:14,078 --> 01:35:20,349long oh absolutely

206001:35:17,498 --> 01:35:22,538he had absolutely nothing to gain it was

206101:35:20,349 --> 01:35:25,479affecting his personal life it was

206201:35:22,538 --> 01:35:26,828affecting his professional life you know

206301:35:25,479 --> 01:35:30,039he was known as the kind we made these

206401:35:26,828 --> 01:35:31,420outlandish claims and you know as art

206501:35:30,038 --> 01:35:34,059Campbell said

206601:35:31,420 --> 01:35:37,300and I know what the old adage is but you


206701:35:34,060 --> 01:35:39,430know he crossed swords with a guy who

206801:35:37,300 --> 01:35:42,279bought printing ink by the barrel and

206901:35:39,430 --> 01:35:44,020he's talking about Kevin Randall and not

207001:35:42,279 --> 01:35:45,340that Kevin doesn't write great books you

207101:35:44,020 --> 01:35:48,070know but the fact is he's a former

207201:35:45,340 --> 01:35:49,750intelligence agent okay so think about

207301:35:48,069 --> 01:35:52,389that for a while you know you know I

207401:35:49,750 --> 01:35:54,189always know your source and and he came

207501:35:52,390 --> 01:35:56,680down and he made money off flaws well

207601:35:54,189 --> 01:35:58,689and his buddies you know that he wrote

207701:35:56,680 --> 01:36:00,880books but made money off Roswell they're

207801:35:58,689 --> 01:36:03,250still making money off of Roswell so

207901:36:00,880 --> 01:36:07,510Roswell this sacred you know cash cow

208001:36:03,250 --> 01:36:12,039and how dare you you know move focus

2081


01:36:07,510 --> 01:36:13,449away from us well um I in my book took a

208201:36:12,039 --> 01:36:18,369little bit different approach and I said

208301:36:13,449 --> 01:36:20,829um ladies you know there is absolutely

208401:36:18,369 --> 01:36:23,619no evidence I mean there's no proof

208501:36:20,829 --> 01:36:26,470there's no proof of any extraterrestrial

208601:36:23,619 --> 01:36:30,309craft or recovery from as well other

208701:36:26,470 --> 01:36:32,829than Jesse Marcel's testimony zero zero

208801:36:30,310 --> 01:36:35,800zero proof yet you all have been riding

208901:36:32,829 --> 01:36:36,760that horse for years but on the plains

209001:36:35,800 --> 01:36:40,239of Santa goostin

209101:36:36,760 --> 01:36:43,150okay Roswell has evidence lots of spoken

209201:36:40,239 --> 01:36:46,090and and you know the ecwid smell of

209301:36:43,149 --> 01:36:48,519burning wood but the plains of Santa

209401:36:46,090 --> 01:36:52,630goostin in my estimation if you can

209501:36:48,520 --> 01:36:55,960


believe the high tech evaluation of the

209601:36:52,630 --> 01:36:59,470materials has proof it's not evidence

209701:36:55,960 --> 01:37:02,739it's the proof that everybody has been

209801:36:59,470 --> 01:37:06,010looking for so if I'm making money from

209901:37:02,739 --> 01:37:09,699story a and story becomes out and it has

210001:37:06,010 --> 01:37:12,070proof and I don't have I'm nervous I'm

210101:37:09,699 --> 01:37:14,139very very nervous I might be invested in

210201:37:12,069 --> 01:37:17,229things that are all Roswell and I'm

210301:37:14,140 --> 01:37:19,960gonna squash that plus I've now got a

210401:37:17,229 --> 01:37:23,189big fat target with concentric circles

210501:37:19,960 --> 01:37:28,239on his back because he forges a

210601:37:23,189 --> 01:37:29,769telephone bell but now in my estimation

210701:37:28,239 --> 01:37:32,019he goes out there with a metal detector

210801:37:29,770 --> 01:37:33,880and takes guys to a site and then they

210901:37:32,020 --> 01:37:36,760test that metal and they find out that


211001:37:33,880 --> 01:37:38,859it's not of this planet nobody found it

211101:37:36,760 --> 01:37:40,780in ten years he goes out there and on

211201:37:38,859 --> 01:37:45,479the first day they load up a sack of

211301:37:40,779 --> 01:37:45,479this stuff to me he's exonerated

211401:37:46,079 --> 01:37:51,279so I'd like to story and in my book what

211501:37:49,060 --> 01:37:53,070I wrote is I kind of put the olive

211601:37:51,279 --> 01:37:55,689branch out there I should look at folks

211701:37:53,069 --> 01:37:58,689Roswell was still a great story there's

211801:37:55,689 --> 01:38:01,479still lots to investigate however if I

211901:37:58,689 --> 01:38:04,059look if I follow as a scientist of four

212001:38:01,479 --> 01:38:06,489decades if I follow the evidence and the

212101:38:04,060 --> 01:38:10,870proof it leads me to the plains of Santa

212201:38:06,489 --> 01:38:14,619goostin and if that's the case we now

212301:38:10,869 --> 01:38:16,809need to build a museum out there because


212401:38:14,619 --> 01:38:18,970there's enough space out there to build

212501:38:16,810 --> 01:38:20,860it and there's enough glory to share

212601:38:18,970 --> 01:38:23,550between lászló and Santa Goosen and in

212701:38:20,859 --> 01:38:25,779fact I think it makes both stories

212801:38:23,550 --> 01:38:28,750stronger because they happen around the

212901:38:25,779 --> 01:38:31,269same time frame so why Roswell would

213001:38:28,750 --> 01:38:37,180fight at the Roswell ian's I don't know

213101:38:31,270 --> 01:38:39,880it makes the case even better unless

213201:38:37,180 --> 01:38:42,159it's just about profit because every

213301:38:39,880 --> 01:38:43,390year well that's what brings people in

213401:38:42,159 --> 01:38:46,689there much like the Mothman Prophecies

213501:38:43,390 --> 01:38:49,390in Point Pleasant in West Virginia they

213601:38:46,689 --> 01:38:51,939have a big week-long celebration of the

213701:38:49,390 --> 01:38:55,450Mothman and Roswell does the exact same

2138


01:38:51,939 --> 01:38:59,109thing and I agree with you by the way it

213901:38:55,449 --> 01:39:02,529would bring so much more to address what

214001:38:59,109 --> 01:39:05,019happened at San Agustin yet they refused

214101:39:02,529 --> 01:39:06,909to do that and it makes me scratch my

214201:39:05,020 --> 01:39:09,040head wondering what is the whole

214301:39:06,909 --> 01:39:11,439cover-up of the San Agustin thing

214401:39:09,039 --> 01:39:14,470because obviously if the public won't

214501:39:11,439 --> 01:39:18,939even match it and the tourism won't even

214601:39:14,470 --> 01:39:20,980mat or admit its existence then there

214701:39:18,939 --> 01:39:25,779has to be lack of a better term some

214801:39:20,979 --> 01:39:27,879conspiracy at play here and you know

214901:39:25,779 --> 01:39:30,849what's what's the motivation my best

215001:39:27,880 --> 01:39:33,609friend says man does nothing unless

215101:39:30,850 --> 01:39:37,510there's sex and money involved or one of

215201:39:33,609 --> 01:39:39,699


those well you know I'm not sure what's

215301:39:37,510 --> 01:39:43,360going on Roswell sexualized but there

215401:39:39,699 --> 01:39:45,159was a lot of money involved here lots of

215501:39:43,359 --> 01:39:48,130books many people have made their

215601:39:45,159 --> 01:39:50,319reputation by writing a roswell book and

215701:39:48,130 --> 01:39:52,470and again i don't know how much money

215801:39:50,319 --> 01:39:54,519they're making but there are always

215901:39:52,470 --> 01:39:56,710guest speakers at these big

216001:39:54,520 --> 01:39:58,959international conferences and being all

216101:39:56,710 --> 01:40:01,719flown around and getting free hotels and

216201:39:58,958 --> 01:40:03,819food stipends and you know opportunities

216301:40:01,719 --> 01:40:06,760to sell their books sounds to me like a

216401:40:03,819 --> 01:40:08,738gravy train and it's built upon zero

216501:40:06,760 --> 01:40:11,248proof and I write that in my book there

216601:40:08,738 --> 01:40:13,658was zero proof there's lots of evidence


216701:40:11,248 --> 01:40:17,078you know now it's what makes me a

216801:40:13,658 --> 01:40:19,558believer there's zero proof except of

216901:40:17,078 --> 01:40:23,319course for you know Justin or sellsword

217001:40:19,559 --> 01:40:25,869and for me it's you know I'm thinking

217101:40:23,319 --> 01:40:28,029it's about the money unless of course

217201:40:25,868 --> 01:40:31,058there's a lot of sex going on as well

217301:40:28,029 --> 01:40:33,069that's neither do I know about yes

217401:40:31,059 --> 01:40:37,170that's for another show the Roswell

217501:40:33,069 --> 01:40:40,599alien orgy that happens every year

217601:40:37,170 --> 01:40:43,300doesn't happen in San Agustin that's for

217701:40:40,599 --> 01:40:46,389sure let's move on a second because I

217801:40:43,300 --> 01:40:50,079think we've beat this topic up pretty

217901:40:46,389 --> 01:40:53,319pretty hard here in regards to UFO

218001:40:50,078 --> 01:40:54,880researchers there's a lot of people out


218101:40:53,319 --> 01:40:57,158there especially with the way social

218201:40:54,880 --> 01:41:01,059media has exploded over the last five to

218301:40:57,158 --> 01:41:05,498eight years that it's really brought a

218401:41:01,059 --> 01:41:08,949whole attention into UF ology paranormal

218501:41:05,498 --> 01:41:11,050all sorts of weird and strange if we

218601:41:08,948 --> 01:41:13,779include the cryptids like Bigfoot dog

218701:41:11,050 --> 01:41:16,420man but let's focus on the UF ology

218801:41:13,779 --> 01:41:18,819field here for a second we see things

218901:41:16,420 --> 01:41:21,479like YouTube and the CGI that people are

219001:41:18,819 --> 01:41:23,698putting on YouTube do you believe that a

219101:41:21,479 --> 01:41:27,280lot of this is being done as

219201:41:23,698 --> 01:41:29,198disinformation rather than people trying

219301:41:27,279 --> 01:41:32,849to get their 15 minutes of fame and

219401:41:29,198 --> 01:41:32,848saying oh look what I got on camera

2195


01:41:33,059 --> 01:41:38,199that's a tough question I think there's

219601:41:36,670 --> 01:41:39,639a lot of folks who want their 15 minutes

219701:41:38,198 --> 01:41:42,518of fame because they're gonna show how

219801:41:39,639 --> 01:41:45,400creative they are and you know they're

219901:41:42,519 --> 01:41:49,840making money too because they've got a

220001:41:45,399 --> 01:41:51,728website that their videos are driving

220101:41:49,840 --> 01:41:53,889the traffic to so every time someone

220201:41:51,729 --> 01:41:57,340clicks on their webpage you know the

220301:41:53,889 --> 01:41:59,949cash register goes ting ting and and so

220401:41:57,340 --> 01:42:01,150again the motivation is cast I've got

220501:41:59,948 --> 01:42:02,948this fabulous thing you know I get a

220601:42:01,149 --> 01:42:05,649million hits I don't know how much money

220701:42:02,948 --> 01:42:07,509that generates because I don't have a

220801:42:05,649 --> 01:42:08,920Facebook account at this point and I

220901:42:07,510 --> 01:42:12,439


don't have a website at this point and

221001:42:08,920 --> 01:42:14,599and you know I won't get into why it but

221101:42:12,439 --> 01:42:16,389those kind of people are making money

221201:42:14,599 --> 01:42:19,699pure and simple

221301:42:16,389 --> 01:42:22,819now are there disinformation specialists

221401:42:19,698 --> 01:42:26,899out there I would think that you have to

221501:42:22,819 --> 01:42:31,399use some discretion when and apply it to

221601:42:26,899 --> 01:42:34,069a particular instance for example let's

221701:42:31,399 --> 01:42:36,228say the Stevensville lights soon as the

221801:42:34,069 --> 01:42:40,578Stevens field lights you know come on

221901:42:36,229 --> 01:42:43,429and you've got the constable saying he

222001:42:40,578 --> 01:42:45,529saw it and his deputy saw it and a

222101:42:43,429 --> 01:42:47,569reputable business guy who saw it and

222201:42:45,529 --> 01:42:49,728the ranch who said this thing said over

222301:42:47,569 --> 01:42:52,130my head and then you see stuff that


222401:42:49,729 --> 01:42:54,199comes out in reference to it you get you

222501:42:52,130 --> 01:42:55,880know and I'm not going to mention their

222601:42:54,198 --> 01:42:57,948names because they're annoying and they

222701:42:55,880 --> 01:43:01,849don't deserve any airtime but there's a

222801:42:57,948 --> 01:43:04,578handful of of the bunkers that are

222901:43:01,849 --> 01:43:07,578always brought out on these TV shows and

223001:43:04,578 --> 01:43:09,799these pseudo documentaries and you know

223101:43:07,578 --> 01:43:12,168they come out and go well let's Venus

223201:43:09,800 --> 01:43:15,050expanded by a hot air balloon and it's

223301:43:12,168 --> 01:43:18,050it's spontaneously combusted beer

223401:43:15,050 --> 01:43:18,668flatulence and and you know it's bull

223501:43:18,050 --> 01:43:24,050crap

223601:43:18,668 --> 01:43:27,609when you see videos and and pictures and

223701:43:24,050 --> 01:43:32,150narrative that come out for a specific


223801:43:27,609 --> 01:43:33,109incident you know it's easy to cut

223901:43:32,149 --> 01:43:35,899through it and you know it's

224001:43:33,109 --> 01:43:38,598disinformation and misinformation but

224101:43:35,899 --> 01:43:40,638somebody who's just throwing up a video

224201:43:38,599 --> 01:43:42,679saying you know there's a triangular

224301:43:40,639 --> 01:43:44,689craft you know it was happened in May at

224401:43:42,679 --> 01:43:46,939wright-patterson and there's this craft

224501:43:44,689 --> 01:43:49,519over the thing and it's this balloon and

224601:43:46,939 --> 01:43:53,539you'll find it on our website and you

224701:43:49,519 --> 01:43:56,360know people have accused us that that's

224801:43:53,538 --> 01:43:59,090just that's just people trying to drive

224901:43:56,359 --> 01:44:01,609traffic to the website so I think it's

225001:43:59,090 --> 01:44:04,038easy for the savvy consumer and the

225101:44:01,609 --> 01:44:06,198savvy researcher and and somebody who

2252


01:44:04,038 --> 01:44:08,569you know knows the history the easy cut

225301:44:06,198 --> 01:44:10,248to easily cut through the crap I have a

225401:44:08,569 --> 01:44:12,529couple questions from our audience here

225501:44:10,248 --> 01:44:16,639if you don't mind ray as we speak with

225601:44:12,529 --> 01:44:19,788Ray Szymanski author of 50 shades of

225701:44:16,639 --> 01:44:21,559Gray's can be found at any major book

225801:44:19,788 --> 01:44:24,408store or online in Amazon

225901:44:21,559 --> 01:44:25,760let's start with this question from gin

226001:44:24,408 --> 01:44:28,098in the revolution radio

226101:44:25,760 --> 01:44:30,710chat room have you ever done any Studies

226201:44:28,099 --> 01:44:35,019on the UFO crash outside Kingman Arizona

226301:44:30,710 --> 01:44:35,019I am not

226401:44:35,738 --> 01:44:40,759unfortunately is that something you

226501:44:37,670 --> 01:44:44,029would probably look into you know I'm

226601:44:40,760 --> 01:44:45,889


gonna focus on a filed my follow-up book

226701:44:44,029 --> 01:44:49,219is gonna be more about wright-patterson

226801:44:45,889 --> 01:44:52,279because I'm being told things to sources

226901:44:49,219 --> 01:44:54,590that I trust and I can pretty much

227001:44:52,279 --> 01:44:56,988document it you know to make me a

227101:44:54,590 --> 01:45:02,210believer of it and I'm doing another

227201:44:56,988 --> 01:45:04,129book on contactees so I probably will

227301:45:02,210 --> 01:45:07,069not be researching that in the near

227401:45:04,130 --> 01:45:09,078future because my focus is on these

227501:45:07,069 --> 01:45:10,729other two areas right now and yeah

227601:45:09,078 --> 01:45:14,420there's only so much I can do I'm one

227701:45:10,729 --> 01:45:16,098person so my apologies next question

227801:45:14,420 --> 01:45:17,179comes from Joe in the sor space

227901:45:16,099 --> 01:45:19,519travelers club

228001:45:17,179 --> 01:45:26,710he is asking why are you a full


228101:45:19,519 --> 01:45:29,630researchers their own worst enemies I I

228201:45:26,710 --> 01:45:31,908guess I need to know who he's talking

228301:45:29,630 --> 01:45:35,210about specifically if it's me then I'd

228401:45:31,908 --> 01:45:38,420like him to ask me you know where I've

228501:45:35,210 --> 01:45:40,550fallen on my sword no it isn't so much

228601:45:38,420 --> 01:45:42,649about you but it's more so along the

228701:45:40,550 --> 01:45:44,630lines that there doesn't seem to be a

228801:45:42,649 --> 01:45:47,658lot of credibility in the field of

228901:45:44,630 --> 01:45:49,429ufology you know like years ago the old

229001:45:47,658 --> 01:45:52,429crowd the Stanton Friedman and everybody

229101:45:49,429 --> 01:45:54,349like that they seemed to really own the

229201:45:52,429 --> 01:45:56,719circuit then there's this secondary

229301:45:54,349 --> 01:46:00,260younger group who's coming in and the

229401:45:56,719 --> 01:46:02,689ideas of those researchers seem very


229501:46:00,260 --> 01:46:05,239far-fetched that people almost don't

229601:46:02,689 --> 01:46:07,250believe the stories I mean classic

229701:46:05,238 --> 01:46:12,078example the whole ancient aliens theory

229801:46:07,250 --> 01:46:16,158that's very popular now right I think a

229901:46:12,078 --> 01:46:19,670lot of the people who are in the field

230001:46:16,158 --> 01:46:21,589want to stay visible and they want you

230101:46:19,670 --> 01:46:24,230know this it's an ego trip they're

230201:46:21,590 --> 01:46:28,219making money in fact in my book I take

230301:46:24,229 --> 01:46:31,819two major researchers very well known

230401:46:28,219 --> 01:46:35,059people to task for fabricating a story

230501:46:31,819 --> 01:46:38,389and they close their book with the story

230601:46:35,059 --> 01:46:39,800saying you know mr. so-and-so is on the

230701:46:38,389 --> 01:46:42,859base commander and they're not coming on

230801:46:39,800 --> 01:46:45,409my days and all that and the way I know

2309


01:46:42,859 --> 01:46:49,078the story was fabricated is because at

231001:46:45,408 --> 01:46:51,478the time the story was taking place

231101:46:49,078 --> 01:46:55,139person they're quoting in the book was

231201:46:51,479 --> 01:46:57,418my boss because I was working for the

231301:46:55,139 --> 01:47:00,059base commander as a direct report at

231401:46:57,418 --> 01:47:02,788that time so I knew the story was

231501:47:00,059 --> 01:47:04,559completely ass and what I did is is he

231601:47:02,788 --> 01:47:06,179was a colonel at the time I contacted

231701:47:04,559 --> 01:47:08,699him he's now a general in Washington DC

231801:47:06,179 --> 01:47:10,859I sent him a copy of those pages and I

231901:47:08,698 --> 01:47:13,018said they're quoting you as you know

232001:47:10,859 --> 01:47:15,389ranting about these guys aren't coming

232101:47:13,019 --> 01:47:17,159on my base to do the filming I said what

232201:47:15,389 --> 01:47:19,139do you know about it he said never heard

232301:47:17,158 --> 01:47:21,029


of these guys this didn't happen and the

232401:47:19,139 --> 01:47:22,550names that they mentioned in the book I

232501:47:21,029 --> 01:47:26,698don't know these people

232601:47:22,550 --> 01:47:30,659so I actually call out two very very

232701:47:26,698 --> 01:47:34,168well-known researchers in my book and I

232801:47:30,658 --> 01:47:36,898contacted them personally and I said you

232901:47:34,168 --> 01:47:39,148know the story and the first

233001:47:36,899 --> 01:47:41,519researcher said contact my buddy he's

233101:47:39,149 --> 01:47:43,889the one who wrote it so I did and he put

233201:47:41,519 --> 01:47:45,780me off for a handful of months and

233301:47:43,889 --> 01:47:47,639finally I had to catch up with him at a

233401:47:45,779 --> 01:47:50,099conference and I said hey we're

233501:47:47,639 --> 01:47:53,279face-to-face this is a phony story well

233601:47:50,099 --> 01:47:55,139you know I got it from my source and you

233701:47:53,279 --> 01:47:56,908know I believed him I said no no I'm not


233801:47:55,139 --> 01:47:58,828buying it your name is on the cover of

233901:47:56,908 --> 01:48:01,498the book you should have checked out you

234001:47:58,828 --> 01:48:04,708should have checked your book and he

234101:48:01,498 --> 01:48:06,658blew me off so um I think you know in

234201:48:04,708 --> 01:48:09,719his case it's an ego thing you know he's

234301:48:06,658 --> 01:48:12,029a big name and he just wants to stay you

234401:48:09,719 --> 01:48:13,439know on the circuit and I'm not afraid

234501:48:12,029 --> 01:48:15,809to call him out and I wasn't afraid to

234601:48:13,439 --> 01:48:18,769tell him publicly that that story was

234701:48:15,809 --> 01:48:21,208 so you're right in many cases

234801:48:18,769 --> 01:48:22,949they're their own worst enemy but they

234901:48:21,208 --> 01:48:24,779are because they've got to do something

235001:48:22,948 --> 01:48:26,908new and exciting and they want to be the

235101:48:24,779 --> 01:48:28,858first to you know say something and


235201:48:26,908 --> 01:48:30,448bring it out there and they don't check

235301:48:28,859 --> 01:48:32,459the facts and I have the problem with

235401:48:30,448 --> 01:48:35,458that and I don't mind publicly calling

235501:48:32,458 --> 01:48:39,358them out well there's someone on this

235601:48:35,458 --> 01:48:40,858side that I will not name and a few

235701:48:39,359 --> 01:48:44,159people I have shared that with in our

235801:48:40,859 --> 01:48:47,459audience privately in the chat rooms but

235901:48:44,158 --> 01:48:51,299I in emailed somebody in this top tier

236001:48:47,458 --> 01:48:53,908of investigators or researchers or

236101:48:51,300 --> 01:48:55,079whatever you want to call them and I

236201:48:53,908 --> 01:48:57,868asked them if they would like to come on

236301:48:55,078 --> 01:49:00,448for an interview I you know I I sent a

236401:48:57,868 --> 01:49:01,648letter similar that I sent to you seeing

236501:49:00,448 --> 01:49:02,759if you would like to come on the show

2366


01:49:01,649 --> 01:49:05,130and you know

236701:49:02,760 --> 01:49:06,960which describes what we are like what we

236801:49:05,130 --> 01:49:09,659are about and I think we provide a

236901:49:06,960 --> 01:49:12,118pretty attractive package I didn't get

237001:49:09,658 --> 01:49:15,598in in the response letter that I email

237101:49:12,118 --> 01:49:18,630that I got back I didn't get a hi how

237201:49:15,599 --> 01:49:23,069are you went time do you broadcast how

237301:49:18,630 --> 01:49:27,538long anything like that the note

237401:49:23,069 --> 01:49:30,268basically said mister so-and-so would

237501:49:27,538 --> 01:49:34,908like to know how many listeners you have

237601:49:30,269 --> 01:49:39,900per night before he commits to anything

237701:49:34,908 --> 01:49:45,658and I looked at that and I thought you

237801:49:39,899 --> 01:49:49,198jerk right honestly I thought you jerk

237901:49:45,658 --> 01:49:52,319that is not even worthy of my response

238001:49:49,198 --> 01:49:55,859


now I know I don't have the audience of

238101:49:52,319 --> 01:49:57,538say coast-to-coast I know that okay I

238201:49:55,859 --> 01:50:00,710got about a thousand people a night

238301:49:57,538 --> 01:50:04,639listening to me they've got about Oh

238401:50:00,710 --> 01:50:07,679three four million it's a big difference

238501:50:04,639 --> 01:50:10,288but my theory on this is and my thoughts

238601:50:07,679 --> 01:50:13,469on this ray and I'm curious to get your

238701:50:10,288 --> 01:50:15,359thoughts on this the reason why I never

238801:50:13,469 --> 01:50:17,550responded to that email I was so

238901:50:15,359 --> 01:50:19,500insulted for each and every one of my

239001:50:17,550 --> 01:50:21,900listeners because they've made an

239101:50:19,500 --> 01:50:23,729emotional connection to this show they

239201:50:21,899 --> 01:50:27,689know we run a professional quality

239301:50:23,729 --> 01:50:30,689program and for this person to slap my

239401:50:27,689 --> 01:50:33,899audience in the face by asking that


239501:50:30,689 --> 01:50:36,839question is it really about the message

239601:50:33,899 --> 01:50:41,729you were trying to get across or is it

239701:50:36,840 --> 01:50:43,349about your own personal being because if

239801:50:41,729 --> 01:50:44,908it's about the message you shouldn't

239901:50:43,349 --> 01:50:46,500care if it's ten listeners a hundred

240001:50:44,908 --> 01:50:49,439listeners a thousand listeners like we

240101:50:46,500 --> 01:50:51,090have or the three million listeners it

240201:50:49,439 --> 01:50:53,098should be about the message and getting

240301:50:51,090 --> 01:50:56,429as many people out there to talk about

240401:50:53,099 --> 01:50:58,500it as possible and that's why I will

240501:50:56,429 --> 01:51:04,380never have this person on the air even

240601:50:58,500 --> 01:51:06,328if I meet him face to face Stanton

240701:51:04,380 --> 01:51:09,359Friedman and I traded books at the

240801:51:06,328 --> 01:51:12,058International UFO Congress he was


240901:51:09,359 --> 01:51:14,250sitting there and he was watching the

241001:51:12,059 --> 01:51:16,119book sales just the books were just

241101:51:14,250 --> 01:51:18,670flying off the table and the

241201:51:16,118 --> 01:51:22,359was one of my endorsers was the

241301:51:18,670 --> 01:51:26,349pre-lunch presenter it was paul davids

241401:51:22,359 --> 01:51:28,988and during his presentation he said hey

241501:51:26,349 --> 01:51:30,760I had lunch with Ray Szymanski his book

241601:51:28,988 --> 01:51:32,799is here he only brought three dozen

241701:51:30,760 --> 01:51:34,239copies you better do one after lunch and

241801:51:32,800 --> 01:51:36,099the line was out the door

241901:51:34,238 --> 01:51:38,379so Friedman's walked in this go along

242001:51:36,099 --> 01:51:40,150and he grabs like the last saleable copy

242101:51:38,380 --> 01:51:43,539and he goes wow this is really

242201:51:40,149 --> 01:51:45,969interesting and he said I'll tell you

2423


01:51:43,539 --> 01:51:46,599what I'll trade your book for any one of

242401:51:45,969 --> 01:51:48,579mine

242501:51:46,599 --> 01:51:50,230so we trade books and I got a photograph

242601:51:48,579 --> 01:51:52,719it's really cool he's such a nice man

242701:51:50,229 --> 01:51:54,218and and he's holding my book I'm holding

242801:51:52,719 --> 01:51:55,448his book and you know of course we

242901:51:54,219 --> 01:51:58,630talked about that for the rest of the

243001:51:55,448 --> 01:52:00,158week so now a couple of weeks go by and

243101:51:58,630 --> 01:52:02,650he tells me he said I'm gonna beat your

243201:52:00,158 --> 01:52:04,899book on my flight back to New Brunswick

243301:52:02,649 --> 01:52:06,698wherever you live and so I sent him an

243401:52:04,899 --> 01:52:08,710email I said have you read my book and

243501:52:06,698 --> 01:52:11,198he said you know I'm halfway through it

243601:52:08,710 --> 01:52:13,510he goes and I'm really enjoying it he

243701:52:11,198 --> 01:52:15,339


said this is very interesting and you've

243801:52:13,510 --> 01:52:17,230covered a lot of ground here he goes

243901:52:15,340 --> 01:52:19,750it's just amazing and I said well thank

244001:52:17,229 --> 01:52:22,448you very much you know and and um

244101:52:19,750 --> 01:52:23,920you know just let me know when you're

244201:52:22,448 --> 01:52:26,799gonna finish that and then he goes and

244301:52:23,920 --> 01:52:29,020he gives me a list a laundry list of all

244401:52:26,800 --> 01:52:30,909the things he's got to do in the next

244501:52:29,020 --> 01:52:32,290couple weeks he's on this show he's on

244601:52:30,908 --> 01:52:34,569this so he's writing this he's doing

244701:52:32,289 --> 01:52:37,060this and he goes I really hope I can get

244801:52:34,569 --> 01:52:38,679back to your book sometime soon so the

244901:52:37,060 --> 01:52:41,230point of all this is other than telling

245001:52:38,679 --> 01:52:45,489the audience that Stanton Friedman loves

245101:52:41,229 --> 01:52:49,029my book is there are some people that


245201:52:45,488 --> 01:52:51,428are so busy that they get to pick and

245301:52:49,029 --> 01:52:53,380choose and I know this isn't right they

245401:52:51,429 --> 01:52:55,389get to pick and choose who show they're

245501:52:53,380 --> 01:52:56,859gonna be on and and what documentary

245601:52:55,389 --> 01:52:59,469they're going to use and they're

245701:52:56,859 --> 01:53:02,259freaking just exhausted and I hope it's

245801:52:59,469 --> 01:53:05,739not him you know he's 84 years old or no

245901:53:02,260 --> 01:53:08,739he's in that stratosphere so some of

246001:53:05,738 --> 01:53:11,079these people have to be picky now if it

246101:53:08,738 --> 01:53:13,959wasn't somebody of his stature and his

246201:53:11,079 --> 01:53:16,960age then you know shame on them

246301:53:13,960 --> 01:53:19,569because it should be about the message

246401:53:16,960 --> 01:53:21,158and you know I don't care if I give a

246501:53:19,569 --> 01:53:25,090presentation in a library and there's


246601:53:21,158 --> 01:53:27,158five people there it's terrific because

246701:53:25,090 --> 01:53:29,079I'm getting to get the message out

246801:53:27,158 --> 01:53:29,649hopefully somebody will buy a book or

246901:53:29,079 --> 01:53:31,659two

247001:53:29,649 --> 01:53:34,389and then there's always so many audience

247101:53:31,659 --> 01:53:36,519goes hey I know this great guy Dave

247201:53:34,390 --> 01:53:38,440Scott and this is what happened to you

247301:53:36,520 --> 01:53:40,780know you and I you got to get on this

247401:53:38,439 --> 01:53:42,519show and it happened and I only had two

247501:53:40,779 --> 01:53:46,179dozen people in the audience that day I

247601:53:42,520 --> 01:53:47,760don't care so shame on that person if

247701:53:46,180 --> 01:53:50,409they weren't Stanton Friedman

247801:53:47,760 --> 01:53:53,170it wasn't Stanton Friedman I can tell

247901:53:50,409 --> 01:53:55,840you that he has been on this show and it

2480


01:53:53,170 --> 01:53:58,449wonderful yay yes he's a great guy I

248101:53:55,840 --> 01:54:00,159love him to death and of all the

248201:53:58,449 --> 01:54:02,880researchers and there are many that I

248301:54:00,159 --> 01:54:04,949found that have great integrity

248401:54:02,880 --> 01:54:08,289dollar-for-dollar pound-for-pound

248501:54:04,949 --> 01:54:10,210Stanton is the guy who I think has the

248601:54:08,289 --> 01:54:14,829highest level and of integrity he's made

248701:54:10,210 --> 01:54:17,230mistakes but he does his homework he

248801:54:14,829 --> 01:54:23,710knows his history and I would take his

248901:54:17,229 --> 01:54:28,329word to the bank I'm curious in regards

249001:54:23,710 --> 01:54:31,300to your own research what makes a good

249101:54:28,329 --> 01:54:33,460UFO researcher and what doesn't and the

249201:54:31,300 --> 01:54:35,500reason why I asked that I've talked to a

249301:54:33,460 --> 01:54:39,489number of researchers in the one pattern

249401:54:35,500 --> 01:54:41,819


that I am finding lately Rey is that a

249501:54:39,489 --> 01:54:46,599lot of researchers out there no longer

249601:54:41,819 --> 01:54:48,189care about the experience let me

249701:54:46,600 --> 01:54:50,650rephrase that I don't think it's that

249801:54:48,189 --> 01:54:52,089they don't care about the experience but

249901:54:50,649 --> 01:54:55,149I believe that they are no longer

250001:54:52,090 --> 01:54:57,539putting any trust or faith into the

250101:54:55,149 --> 01:55:00,759experience people are having because

250201:54:57,539 --> 01:55:03,630they just feel it's not as relevant as

250301:55:00,760 --> 01:55:06,880the popular topic of disclosure or

250401:55:03,630 --> 01:55:09,730government officials like Bob Lazar or

250501:55:06,880 --> 01:55:11,980an astronaut coming out saying that

250601:55:09,729 --> 01:55:14,469there's UFO activity around NASA

250701:55:11,979 --> 01:55:16,269something along those lines they seem to

250801:55:14,470 --> 01:55:22,409have pushed the experiencer to the


250901:55:16,270 --> 01:55:24,880wayside do you find that as well I think

251001:55:22,409 --> 01:55:27,069if I understand what you're saying is if

251101:55:24,880 --> 01:55:29,319the experiences are telling their

251201:55:27,069 --> 01:55:32,739stories and they're being documented in

251301:55:29,319 --> 01:55:34,689books like you know they walk among us

251401:55:32,739 --> 01:55:37,630which is the new one that just came out

251501:55:34,689 --> 01:55:40,839or Yvonne Smith's book chosen a coronado

251601:55:37,630 --> 01:55:42,680people who have been abducted that's the

251701:55:40,840 --> 01:55:44,539group we're talking about right

251801:55:42,680 --> 01:55:46,760getting about for instance there's a lot

251901:55:44,539 --> 01:55:48,260of experiencers out there who have

252001:55:46,760 --> 01:55:49,730basically been told and I've talked to

252101:55:48,260 --> 01:55:50,989them and I'm not gonna mention names

252201:55:49,729 --> 01:55:53,419because I know a few of them are


252301:55:50,989 --> 01:55:54,769listening right now okay where they've

252401:55:53,420 --> 01:55:56,480been told you know what your story is

252501:55:54,770 --> 01:55:58,750great I've heard that type a story

252601:55:56,479 --> 01:56:00,979before but really

252701:55:58,750 --> 01:56:05,390unfortunately it's irrelevant to our

252801:56:00,979 --> 01:56:08,779research oh absolutely not I think

252901:56:05,390 --> 01:56:12,410that's that's totally wrong who has been

253001:56:08,779 --> 01:56:14,210closest to the phenomena somebody whose

253101:56:12,409 --> 01:56:16,729uncle had a plumber who had an

253201:56:14,210 --> 01:56:18,529electrician that knows a fireman that

253301:56:16,729 --> 01:56:21,889said he worked the right path and was

253401:56:18,529 --> 01:56:24,380led into a vault and oh sure they just

253501:56:21,890 --> 01:56:26,180didn't cover the craft that day so you

253601:56:24,380 --> 01:56:28,579saw the craft in the aliens and they

2537


01:56:26,180 --> 01:56:31,730swore you to secrecy and then it gets

253801:56:28,579 --> 01:56:35,600published in a block or is it the person

253901:56:31,729 --> 01:56:37,849who knows you know I'm an abductee I

254001:56:35,600 --> 01:56:42,590have been implanted you know with some

254101:56:37,850 --> 01:56:45,230sperm and some alien DNA and I have seen

254201:56:42,590 --> 01:56:49,310my children on a spacecraft and I have

254301:56:45,229 --> 01:56:52,579regular children here and you know who's

254401:56:49,310 --> 01:56:54,830been closest to the phenomenon it it's

254501:56:52,579 --> 01:56:59,059it's the person who's the experiencer so

254601:56:54,829 --> 01:57:01,850you know if you give me an experiencer

254701:56:59,060 --> 01:57:03,350in one corner telling me the story and a

254801:57:01,850 --> 01:57:06,470guy who's telling me about the firemen

254901:57:03,350 --> 01:57:08,630electrician connection I'm gonna blow

255001:57:06,470 --> 01:57:11,720that guy off I'm all ears for the

255101:57:08,630 --> 01:57:15,199


experience so I can't speak for the

255201:57:11,720 --> 01:57:17,900other people I don't know who they've

255301:57:15,199 --> 01:57:20,329talked to or what the problem is or

255401:57:17,899 --> 01:57:22,909maybe they can't make money off of it I

255501:57:20,329 --> 01:57:27,289don't know what the issue is but for me

255601:57:22,909 --> 01:57:30,710you know I am super interested in the

255701:57:27,289 --> 01:57:34,220experience or story and maybe that's why

255801:57:30,710 --> 01:57:37,069I've hit it off so well with a von Smith

255901:57:34,220 --> 01:57:39,260is because you know that's her work and

256001:57:37,069 --> 01:57:43,250you know I can listen to her talk for

256101:57:39,260 --> 01:57:46,159hours and I have so I don't understand

256201:57:43,250 --> 01:57:48,859the other problem and in fact one of my

256301:57:46,159 --> 01:57:52,039you know future books is going to be

256401:57:48,859 --> 01:57:54,619about experiences and I love talking to

256501:57:52,039 --> 01:57:56,600them and I love doing the research


256601:57:54,619 --> 01:57:58,189in about an hour I'm gonna probably have

256701:57:56,600 --> 01:58:01,250a treat for you after the show if you

256801:57:58,189 --> 01:58:02,629want to stay up a little bit later sure

256901:58:01,250 --> 01:58:06,289absolutely

257001:58:02,630 --> 01:58:11,390we have a friend of this show his name

257101:58:06,289 --> 01:58:15,800is he goes by Audrey and Audrey is not

257201:58:11,390 --> 01:58:18,950from here and I have this person

257301:58:15,800 --> 01:58:21,920personally so I will see you don't tell

257401:58:18,949 --> 01:58:23,899them where I will I will see if Audrey

257501:58:21,920 --> 01:58:26,210wants to hook up with us on the phone

257601:58:23,899 --> 01:58:29,479afterwards for you to say hello because

257701:58:26,210 --> 01:58:33,430his back his story is very very

257801:58:29,479 --> 01:58:36,229incredible and I'd love to do that

257901:58:33,430 --> 01:58:39,740mm-hmm have you ever seen any team I'd


258001:58:36,229 --> 01:58:44,059love to do that personally

258101:58:39,739 --> 01:58:46,189yes no I have not and you know what I'm

258201:58:44,060 --> 01:58:47,960good you know it's like I've run

258301:58:46,189 --> 01:58:50,210marathons and my friends 100 miler

258401:58:47,960 --> 01:58:52,069saying oh you gotta join us someday no

258501:58:50,210 --> 01:58:53,510just tell me your stories man you know

258601:58:52,069 --> 01:58:56,299I'm good like I can't get my head around

258701:58:53,510 --> 01:58:57,800that so I'm good without it you know but

258801:58:56,300 --> 01:59:01,670but I'm still intrigued enough with the

258901:58:57,800 --> 01:59:05,060phenomena I know it's weird but I've

259001:59:01,670 --> 01:59:10,100seen no I'm not ready you know I have

259101:59:05,060 --> 01:59:13,039and one of them during this show April

259201:59:10,100 --> 01:59:15,77015 2015 I was broadcasting about Buddha

259301:59:13,039 --> 01:59:17,720of all topics ten minutes into the

2594


01:59:15,770 --> 01:59:20,000interview I saw something move out my

259501:59:17,720 --> 01:59:22,430window put my microphone on mute I

259601:59:20,000 --> 01:59:24,350looked out my window and I damn near

259701:59:22,430 --> 01:59:27,220fell off my chair when I noticed that

259801:59:24,350 --> 01:59:28,850there was a gray staring back at me oh

259901:59:27,220 --> 01:59:32,900my god

260001:59:28,850 --> 01:59:35,000yeah yeah I oh my god well see you know

260101:59:32,899 --> 01:59:38,659they're real you know the closest I came

260201:59:35,000 --> 01:59:40,310as I thought I saw a spaceship 200 feet

260301:59:38,659 --> 01:59:42,289in front of me about 75 foot off the

260401:59:40,310 --> 01:59:44,570deck and let me count the entire story

260501:59:42,289 --> 01:59:46,310with photographs not of a ship and more

260601:59:44,569 --> 01:59:48,949of an artist rendition of that

260701:59:46,310 --> 01:59:51,289experience so people claim I'm an

260801:59:48,949 --> 01:59:54,319


experiencer because I saw a craft at

260901:59:51,289 --> 01:59:56,899close range you know I don't volunteer

261001:59:54,319 --> 01:59:59,420under that definition I think it goes

261101:59:56,899 --> 02:00:01,549well beyond that but obviously you are

261201:59:59,420 --> 02:00:03,920an experiencer and that's just

261302:00:01,550 --> 02:00:06,130extraordinary I'm one of the rare ones

261402:00:03,920 --> 02:00:07,359out there and

261502:00:06,130 --> 02:00:09,460I don't mean this to brag or anything

261602:00:07,359 --> 02:00:12,369but I'm one of the rare ones out there

261702:00:09,460 --> 02:00:15,489that actually has a a background in

261802:00:12,369 --> 02:00:16,300broadcasting and as in is an experience

261902:00:15,489 --> 02:00:19,809or as well

262002:00:16,300 --> 02:00:23,650so I mean my last four and a half years

262102:00:19,810 --> 02:00:26,380has been pretty incredible and like I

262202:00:23,649 --> 02:00:28,649have said many times on this show it put


262302:00:26,380 --> 02:00:32,890a quick end to my happily boring life

262402:00:28,649 --> 02:00:35,229that I was so much enjoying you know

262502:00:32,890 --> 02:00:37,119well you know Janet Canon thought the

262602:00:35,229 --> 02:00:38,679luffing right yes they've been on this

262702:00:37,119 --> 02:00:42,789show they were on this show back in June

262802:00:38,680 --> 02:00:44,079right and she she's an experiencer and a

262902:00:42,789 --> 02:00:45,939broadcaster and I don't know what her

263002:00:44,079 --> 02:00:48,729background as if she's been formally

263102:00:45,939 --> 02:00:51,069trained but she does a great job of

263202:00:48,729 --> 02:00:53,769having a guest on much like this off and

263302:00:51,069 --> 02:00:57,009letting them just you know what run with

263402:00:53,770 --> 02:01:00,340it well that's kind of what we try and

263502:00:57,010 --> 02:01:03,460do because the way I look at it is this

263602:01:00,340 --> 02:01:04,510show is not about me you know we're


263702:01:03,460 --> 02:01:06,039trying to build something where it's

263802:01:04,510 --> 02:01:08,409about the listeners and they're not

263902:01:06,039 --> 02:01:10,119tuning in to hear me they're tuning in

264002:01:08,409 --> 02:01:12,130to hear people such as yourself and

264102:01:10,119 --> 02:01:14,140that's why we get people on such as

264202:01:12,130 --> 02:01:16,650yourself to come on and try and explain

264302:01:14,140 --> 02:01:20,020what the Sam hell is going on around

264402:01:16,649 --> 02:01:22,179this earth that isn't being talked about

264502:01:20,020 --> 02:01:24,070on the mainstream so it's a it's a very

264602:01:22,180 --> 02:01:26,800good balance and when you have a good

264702:01:24,069 --> 02:01:28,210audience like we do here ray I could

264802:01:26,800 --> 02:01:31,000tell you this they keep you on your toes

264902:01:28,210 --> 02:01:33,640with excellent questions they bring up

265002:01:31,000 --> 02:01:35,680excellent points and they bring up a lot

2651


02:01:33,640 --> 02:01:38,200of information that you just don't

265202:01:35,680 --> 02:01:39,880normally think about because you're in

265302:01:38,199 --> 02:01:40,960the heat of the moment like on this side

265402:01:39,880 --> 02:01:42,430of the microphone you're in the heat of

265502:01:40,960 --> 02:01:44,680the moment you're the heat of the show

265602:01:42,430 --> 02:01:46,420you got the guest on your monitoring

265702:01:44,680 --> 02:01:49,119chat rooms you're pretty you're doing

265802:01:46,420 --> 02:01:51,970everything that would take the job of at

265902:01:49,119 --> 02:01:54,430least another person as well behind the

266002:01:51,970 --> 02:01:56,920scenes that we just don't have so you

266102:01:54,430 --> 02:01:58,900know what I really really respect the

266202:01:56,920 --> 02:02:00,940people who listen into these I'm gonna

266302:01:58,899 --> 02:02:03,099get you to hold on ray ray Szymanski it

266402:02:00,939 --> 02:02:06,069or shebanski pardon me is our guest

266502:02:03,100 --> 02:02:08,230


tonight Fifty Shades of Grey's is his

266602:02:06,069 --> 02:02:10,149book we're going to talk more et's UFOs

266702:02:08,229 --> 02:02:13,589right after this you're listening to

266802:02:10,149 --> 02:02:13,589spaced out radio we'll be back

266902:02:15,909 --> 02:02:19,699greetings and salutations space

267002:02:18,170 --> 02:02:24,319travelers from the Chronicles of the

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267302:02:26,500 --> 02:02:31,010it's a new paranormal reality TV show

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273302:04:44,020 --> 02:04:48,969conspiracy world we tackle at all hi

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2879


02:10:27,119 --> 02:10:33,960tonight we are talking with ray

288002:10:30,720 --> 02:10:36,600Szymanski his book 50 shades of Gray's

288102:10:33,960 --> 02:10:39,079playing off the name title they're of a

288202:10:36,600 --> 02:10:41,579very popular book way to go there ray

288302:10:39,079 --> 02:10:44,010thank you everyone thinks it's so clever

288402:10:41,579 --> 02:10:45,659I don't know where that thought came

288502:10:44,010 --> 02:10:48,539from but it turns out you can't

288602:10:45,659 --> 02:10:50,970copyright a title of a book in the

288702:10:48,539 --> 02:10:53,550United States and the United Kingdom so

288802:10:50,970 --> 02:10:57,690it worked out perfectly what made you

288902:10:53,550 --> 02:11:00,590write it you know I was always

289002:10:57,689 --> 02:11:03,960interested in the topic and I retired

289102:11:00,590 --> 02:11:06,779prematurely in 2011 kid ran a red light

289202:11:03,960 --> 02:11:09,359I hit his car then a truck hit me from

289302:11:06,779 --> 02:11:11,399


behind so I had some nerve issues and a

289402:11:09,359 --> 02:11:12,960herniated disc and I was getting

289502:11:11,399 --> 02:11:15,809blackout headaches so I was assigned

289602:11:12,960 --> 02:11:17,730from God time to retire and I wanted to

289702:11:15,810 --> 02:11:19,920make a short list of three things I

289802:11:17,729 --> 02:11:22,889wanted to do one become a UFO

289902:11:19,920 --> 02:11:25,350investigator to learn how to play the

290002:11:22,890 --> 02:11:27,360guitar 3 write a book

290102:11:25,350 --> 02:11:30,329so we can take that last one you know

290202:11:27,359 --> 02:11:32,429off off the to-do list so it was

290302:11:30,329 --> 02:11:34,979something I wanted to do and if I put it

290402:11:32,430 --> 02:11:37,470up there you know I'm gonna do it I also

290502:11:34,979 --> 02:11:40,589wanted to get people interested in the

290602:11:37,470 --> 02:11:42,180topic that wouldn't ordinarily do so

290702:11:40,590 --> 02:11:44,520because they're always thinking aliens


290802:11:42,180 --> 02:11:47,340and abductions and spaceships crashing

290902:11:44,520 --> 02:11:51,440down most of the people who read my book

291002:11:47,340 --> 02:11:55,920say that it is laugh-out-loud funny

291102:11:51,439 --> 02:12:00,259because I take you to famous UFO sites

291202:11:55,920 --> 02:12:02,880and I have a number of misadventures and

291302:12:00,260 --> 02:12:06,210you know it's embarrassing stuff in some

291402:12:02,880 --> 02:12:08,909cases but it's funny and I just put it

291502:12:06,210 --> 02:12:11,010in there because I think you know I want

291602:12:08,909 --> 02:12:13,680people to be entertained and educated at

291702:12:11,010 --> 02:12:17,909the same time and I think my book does

291802:12:13,680 --> 02:12:20,579that so educate entertain you know that

291902:12:17,909 --> 02:12:22,949was another goal and then I wanted to

292002:12:20,579 --> 02:12:26,329make a contribution to the field of

292102:12:22,949 --> 02:12:28,979ufology you know I view that as an


292202:12:26,329 --> 02:12:31,289impressionist painting a great Renoir

292302:12:28,979 --> 02:12:33,779and you know there's a million little

292402:12:31,289 --> 02:12:35,519dots and I'm hoping that I can just put

292502:12:33,779 --> 02:12:37,559a couple little dots on that painting

292602:12:35,520 --> 02:12:41,430and eventually we're going to get a

292702:12:37,560 --> 02:12:44,250perfect masterpiece on what it is that

292802:12:41,430 --> 02:12:46,980is actually going on so that kind of

292902:12:44,250 --> 02:12:48,659tells you what my motivations were and

293002:12:46,979 --> 02:12:52,859and what my goals were for writing the

293102:12:48,659 --> 02:12:54,869book how has it been taken in the UFO

293202:12:52,859 --> 02:12:57,509field because people in this field are

293302:12:54,869 --> 02:12:59,760so finicky and so fickle with their

293402:12:57,510 --> 02:13:01,710ideas and their perceptions of what UF

293502:12:59,760 --> 02:13:04,739ology truly is what was the reaction

2936


02:13:01,710 --> 02:13:06,840from people in the know then we know you

293702:13:04,739 --> 02:13:09,599were Stanton Friedman loved it but

293802:13:06,840 --> 02:13:11,369anybody else that was really coming up

293902:13:09,600 --> 02:13:13,020to you and saying hey how did you get

294002:13:11,369 --> 02:13:18,329this or where did you get this idea this

294102:13:13,020 --> 02:13:21,840is pretty good you know so far I don't

294202:13:18,329 --> 02:13:25,050have any you know additional feedback

294302:13:21,840 --> 02:13:27,270except for the people who were my

294402:13:25,050 --> 02:13:29,520endorsers because in many cases they

294502:13:27,270 --> 02:13:32,250read the draft chapters and gave me

294602:13:29,520 --> 02:13:35,760feedback and gave me some guidance but I

294702:13:32,250 --> 02:13:37,680have found it very easy to trade books

294802:13:35,760 --> 02:13:38,920with people in the field who said oh

294902:13:37,680 --> 02:13:40,750I've heard about this

295002:13:38,920 --> 02:13:44,079


I'm so glad you brought a copy like

295102:13:40,750 --> 02:13:46,149Richard Dolan for example unfortunately

295202:13:44,079 --> 02:13:48,130when I trade there's a copy with Richard

295302:13:46,149 --> 02:13:51,399I'd already had a handful of his books

295402:13:48,130 --> 02:13:55,300so I traded him for Bruce maccabees book

295502:13:51,399 --> 02:13:57,219who Richards company published but you

295602:13:55,300 --> 02:14:01,170know Richard was looking forward to

295702:13:57,219 --> 02:14:06,369reading it I hope he has people like

295802:14:01,170 --> 02:14:07,989rosemary guy Lee I've got a copy here of

295902:14:06,369 --> 02:14:15,909a book I want to make sure that I get

296002:14:07,988 --> 02:14:19,718her name right sherry Wilde dr. Jacobs

296102:14:15,909 --> 02:14:22,029who just wrote a book called they walk

296202:14:19,719 --> 02:14:25,289among us he and I traded books and and I

296302:14:22,029 --> 02:14:28,448actually had dinner with dr. Jacobs and

296402:14:25,289 --> 02:14:30,698Yvonne Smith at the International UFO


296502:14:28,448 --> 02:14:32,229Congress back in February so when I

296602:14:30,698 --> 02:14:34,299showed up in June with my book is oh

296702:14:32,229 --> 02:14:36,250this is really great so I'm getting a

296802:14:34,300 --> 02:14:38,650good reaction I also traded books with

296902:14:36,250 --> 02:14:40,029Jim Marrs and so there's a handful of

297002:14:38,649 --> 02:14:41,920others who said oh yeah I've heard about

297102:14:40,029 --> 02:14:44,279this I'm really interested and you know

297202:14:41,920 --> 02:14:46,539we chat up about wright-patterson I

297302:14:44,279 --> 02:14:49,119discussed this with Whitley Strieber

297402:14:46,539 --> 02:14:51,219also discuss it with George Murray and

297502:14:49,119 --> 02:14:54,609both of it had said hey you got to be on

297602:14:51,219 --> 02:14:57,039my show so far I don't have a response

297702:14:54,609 --> 02:14:59,139yet so you know I'm probably planned out

297802:14:57,039 --> 02:15:00,850you know six months forward but I'm


297902:14:59,140 --> 02:15:02,500getting the nice reaction like wow

298002:15:00,850 --> 02:15:04,810somebody from white pad who really

298102:15:02,500 --> 02:15:06,789worked there is actually wrote a book

298202:15:04,810 --> 02:15:08,800about it and this is so refreshing you

298302:15:06,789 --> 02:15:10,689know most people never set foot on the

298402:15:08,800 --> 02:15:12,340base and you know they they wrote books

298502:15:10,689 --> 02:15:15,089but you know how much of that can we

298602:15:12,340 --> 02:15:18,159really believe so it's really been a

298702:15:15,090 --> 02:15:19,090positive response that I've gotten for

298802:15:18,159 --> 02:15:20,889all the right reasons

298902:15:19,090 --> 02:15:24,520and I have a whole bunch of books that I

299002:15:20,890 --> 02:15:27,100need to catch up on and read oh for sure

299102:15:24,520 --> 02:15:29,770it's a great way to definitely get the

299202:15:27,100 --> 02:15:31,719product out there as well what about the

2993


02:15:29,770 --> 02:15:33,550UFO community though let's take the

299402:15:31,719 --> 02:15:35,710names aside we're talking the

299502:15:33,550 --> 02:15:38,320experiencers the people who may not have

299602:15:35,710 --> 02:15:41,020the popularity how is that gone for

299702:15:38,319 --> 02:15:43,659sales with you because like I said this

299802:15:41,020 --> 02:15:45,790is a very fickle field when it comes to

299902:15:43,659 --> 02:15:48,729people and what they read what they buy

300002:15:45,789 --> 02:15:51,310especially if you're new trying to get

300102:15:48,729 --> 02:15:51,919into the fold and take your research to

300202:15:51,310 --> 02:15:56,480that if

300302:15:51,920 --> 02:15:59,960level at the International UFO Congress

300402:15:56,479 --> 02:16:03,859I launched the book I sold out the three

300502:15:59,960 --> 02:16:08,719dozen copies that I brought with me in

300602:16:03,859 --> 02:16:10,15990 minutes and it it made Stanton

300702:16:08,719 --> 02:16:13,159


Freeman's hair turn white because he

300802:16:10,159 --> 02:16:16,189couldn't believe why my lime was out the

300902:16:13,159 --> 02:16:18,800door and he didn't realize that Paul

301002:16:16,189 --> 02:16:22,399Davis had given me a boost at his

301102:16:18,800 --> 02:16:24,860presentation I also took four dozen

301202:16:22,399 --> 02:16:27,019orders where people prepaid me for the

301302:16:24,859 --> 02:16:28,670book and I want out shipping yet after I

301402:16:27,020 --> 02:16:31,520got back from the conference so I sold

301502:16:28,670 --> 02:16:32,989seven dozen books in a matter of a

301602:16:31,520 --> 02:16:36,170couple of days and could have done more

301702:16:32,989 --> 02:16:40,849but they couldn't resupply me in such a

301802:16:36,170 --> 02:16:43,460short notice every time I go to a talk I

301902:16:40,849 --> 02:16:46,969think there were 50 people at the North

302002:16:43,459 --> 02:16:50,359Carolina MUFON chapter meeting that I

302102:16:46,968 --> 02:16:52,819briefed and I sold 24 books


302202:16:50,360 --> 02:16:55,670so half the people in the audience blood

302302:16:52,819 --> 02:16:58,099books and I know several more purchased

302402:16:55,670 --> 02:16:59,989them afterwards because you know they

302502:16:58,099 --> 02:17:01,849send me emails because my email address

302602:16:59,989 --> 02:17:03,558is in there and it's like oh I didn't

302702:17:01,849 --> 02:17:06,290bring cash or you know I wasn't really

302802:17:03,558 --> 02:17:08,420sure about this but after your talk you

302902:17:06,290 --> 02:17:12,170know I had to run and I couldn't wait in

303002:17:08,420 --> 02:17:14,659line to buy a book and it goes well I

303102:17:12,170 --> 02:17:18,319sell a lot of books that when I make a

303202:17:14,659 --> 02:17:24,010personal presentation or after I do a

303302:17:18,319 --> 02:17:26,539show like this I was the winner of the

303402:17:24,010 --> 02:17:29,809nonfiction bestseller award for the

303502:17:26,540 --> 02:17:31,880Dayton Book Expo in April so people show


303602:17:29,808 --> 02:17:33,649up you know there's 100 authors there

303702:17:31,879 --> 02:17:34,789and they pick and choose whose books

303802:17:33,649 --> 02:17:36,138they want to buy in at the end of the

303902:17:34,790 --> 02:17:38,120night they tell you how many books you

304002:17:36,138 --> 02:17:40,188sell and then they give you you know a

304102:17:38,120 --> 02:17:42,410nice little it's piece of glass to

304202:17:40,189 --> 02:17:45,469commemorate you know who sold the most

304302:17:42,409 --> 02:17:48,468book so it was popular there I'm going

304402:17:45,468 --> 02:17:49,669to be now this is something your

304502:17:48,468 --> 02:17:53,268audience is probably going to take a

304602:17:49,670 --> 02:17:57,519deep breath on I am going to be selling

304702:17:53,269 --> 02:18:02,329my book at the United States Air Force

304802:17:57,519 --> 02:18:05,909Marathon expell on the 15th and 16th of

304902:18:02,329 --> 02:18:10,889this month so get your head wrapped

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02:18:05,909 --> 02:18:13,369roundest listeners the kryptonite of the

305102:18:10,889 --> 02:18:16,379US air force which is talk about UFOs

305202:18:13,370 --> 02:18:20,160I'm actually going to be selling my book

305302:18:16,379 --> 02:18:21,119at their Expo for two days it's going to

305402:18:20,159 --> 02:18:24,860be at the Wright State University

305502:18:21,120 --> 02:18:28,829another Center on Colonel Glenn and

305602:18:24,860 --> 02:18:30,600Northfield Road in Fairborn Ohio hours

305702:18:28,829 --> 02:18:32,879are 11 o'clock in the morning to 8

305802:18:30,600 --> 02:18:34,530o'clock at night I know a lot of people

305902:18:32,879 --> 02:18:36,179are going are you kidding me an Air

306002:18:34,530 --> 02:18:39,320Force function and they're gonna let you

306102:18:36,179 --> 02:18:42,299sell your book and the answer is yes so

306202:18:39,319 --> 02:18:46,020you know the response has been great I

306302:18:42,299 --> 02:18:47,789wish it was better I'm not trying to let

306402:18:46,020 --> 02:18:49,679


this thing take over my life so I've

306502:18:47,790 --> 02:18:51,990been really picking and choosing what

306602:18:49,679 --> 02:18:55,829interviews I do and what presentations I

306702:18:51,989 --> 02:19:00,329make and I do want to put it out there

306802:18:55,829 --> 02:19:03,450that the first major conference like

306902:19:00,329 --> 02:19:06,030Roswell or International UFO Congress or

307002:19:03,450 --> 02:19:08,760contact in the desert that offers me a

307102:19:06,030 --> 02:19:11,190spot on your dais is going to get the

307202:19:08,760 --> 02:19:16,550real inside scoop in the benefit of my

307302:19:11,190 --> 02:19:16,550research and the real story on hangar 18

307402:19:16,819 --> 02:19:20,579so I just dropped the bombshell for you

307502:19:19,409 --> 02:19:23,789you can thank me later

307602:19:20,579 --> 02:19:25,379well I had to appreciate that I'm I'm a

307702:19:23,790 --> 02:19:28,679little jaw drop out of that thank you

307802:19:25,379 --> 02:19:30,209for doing that I got a couple of


307902:19:28,679 --> 02:19:32,219questions here that I want to get in

308002:19:30,209 --> 02:19:35,699from Claudia and the SOR space travelers

308102:19:32,218 --> 02:19:38,879Club on Facebook if you don't mind she

308202:19:35,700 --> 02:19:41,100is asking what UFO story did you Ray

308302:19:38,879 --> 02:19:45,379hear from an experiencer that what you

308402:19:41,100 --> 02:19:45,380felt was so fascinating incredible I

308502:19:45,920 --> 02:19:52,560spent the day with Travis Walton at his

308602:19:48,899 --> 02:19:54,329abduction site and we went up there to

308702:19:52,560 --> 02:19:57,180do a little science experiment and a

308802:19:54,329 --> 02:20:00,601photo shoot and that's covered in its

308902:19:57,180 --> 02:20:04,260own chapter in my book so Travis met me

309002:20:00,601 --> 02:20:06,780up and Hebrew but he got into my 4x4

309102:20:04,260 --> 02:20:08,069which I had rented and we slip slide at

309202:20:06,780 --> 02:20:10,290our way all the way through the


309302:20:08,069 --> 02:20:13,890apache-sitgreaves National Forest on

309402:20:10,290 --> 02:20:19,511three inches of mud we chased wild

309502:20:13,890 --> 02:20:21,789horses through the park there and there

309602:20:19,511 --> 02:20:24,610bloody pictures with Travis and I you

309702:20:21,790 --> 02:20:26,530know arm over shoulder taking

309802:20:24,610 --> 02:20:29,739photographs at the site where he was

309902:20:26,530 --> 02:20:31,811basically taken away for five days so

310002:20:29,739 --> 02:20:33,789having gotten to spend the entire day

310102:20:31,810 --> 02:20:37,390with him and actually taking photographs

310202:20:33,790 --> 02:20:40,570of residual evidence and that evidence

310302:20:37,390 --> 02:20:43,329is incorporated into a movie by Jen

310402:20:40,569 --> 02:20:46,479Stein called Travis and I think it's

310502:20:43,329 --> 02:20:48,341coming out this fall so spending day

310602:20:46,479 --> 02:20:50,739with him and actually seeing the human

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02:20:48,341 --> 02:20:53,620side of Travis and talking to him and

310802:20:50,739 --> 02:20:56,860getting like Travis is going we came up

310902:20:53,620 --> 02:20:59,860that road here's were the car stop

311002:20:56,860 --> 02:21:02,051here's where the craft was here's what I

311102:20:59,860 --> 02:21:07,271stopped here's where we walk and getting

311202:21:02,050 --> 02:21:09,250literally a first-person tour of the

311302:21:07,271 --> 02:21:12,700site which is still kind of you know

311402:21:09,250 --> 02:21:15,700unknown today and being able to cross

311502:21:12,700 --> 02:21:17,740examine him and you know there was no

311602:21:15,700 --> 02:21:21,190question he didn't answer

311702:21:17,739 --> 02:21:25,360you know I am it was a fabulous day he's

311802:21:21,190 --> 02:21:27,971a great guy and I am just I put my

311902:21:25,360 --> 02:21:30,159finger in the hole of doubt and came out

312002:21:27,970 --> 02:21:32,890with the truth and I'm just so convinced

312102:21:30,159 --> 02:21:36,159


that that story is the truth the whole

312202:21:32,890 --> 02:21:38,710truth and nothing but the truth another

312302:21:36,159 --> 02:21:40,091question from Claudia here rate what

312402:21:38,710 --> 02:21:42,399made you get into the field of ufology

312502:21:40,091 --> 02:21:44,771did you have family or friends who had

312602:21:42,399 --> 02:21:51,300experiences or was it just a lifelong

312702:21:44,771 --> 02:21:53,141interest to you my very first week of

312802:21:51,300 --> 02:21:53,859employment at wright-patterson Air Force

312902:21:53,140 --> 02:21:56,380Base

313002:21:53,860 --> 02:21:58,301I had Corvette al tell me about the

313102:21:56,380 --> 02:22:02,220aliens and the tunnels and then when I

313202:21:58,300 --> 02:22:04,720would use that as sort of a party

313302:22:02,220 --> 02:22:06,279discussion with somebody and say hey

313402:22:04,720 --> 02:22:09,100know what do you know about this

313502:22:06,280 --> 02:22:11,381everyone was yeah yeah we sure we do and


313602:22:09,101 --> 02:22:14,409you know we evaluated them here and just

313702:22:11,380 --> 02:22:18,609you know come read on Project Blue Book

313802:22:14,409 --> 02:22:19,569so there was this cultural immersion at

313902:22:18,610 --> 02:22:21,551wright-patterson Air Force Base

314002:22:19,569 --> 02:22:23,770everybody I asked through the years oh

314102:22:21,550 --> 02:22:27,010yeah of course you know we did this and

314202:22:23,771 --> 02:22:30,909you know this guy was here and so that

314302:22:27,011 --> 02:22:32,880just festered for years and in 2008 I

314402:22:30,909 --> 02:22:35,431found myself

314502:22:32,879 --> 02:22:37,529on a trip to Boston and I had some time

314602:22:35,431 --> 02:22:39,300in the afternoon and I went up to Exeter

314702:22:37,530 --> 02:22:42,570New Hampshire to do a photo shoot up

314802:22:39,299 --> 02:22:45,209there and to research it and I met guys

314902:22:42,569 --> 02:22:47,279whose fathers names were mentioned in in


315002:22:45,209 --> 02:22:50,369the famous John fuller book incident at

315102:22:47,280 --> 02:22:53,730Exeter so in 2008 I got serious about

315202:22:50,370 --> 02:22:57,061doing field studies and just immerse

315302:22:53,729 --> 02:22:59,100myself finding new evidence talking to

315402:22:57,060 --> 02:23:02,420the experts meeting people that knew

315502:22:59,101 --> 02:23:05,271stuff that wasn't published before and

315602:23:02,420 --> 02:23:09,271kind of like if the seed was planted in

315702:23:05,271 --> 02:23:11,0701973 and it just hit me in 2008 so I

315802:23:09,271 --> 02:23:13,681don't know what the turtle was in 2008

315902:23:11,069 --> 02:23:15,539probably like you know I

316002:23:13,681 --> 02:23:17,489it might have been the sightings in

316102:23:15,540 --> 02:23:20,370Arizona but something tripped that

316202:23:17,489 --> 02:23:25,049switch and I just started to get into it

316302:23:20,370 --> 02:23:26,790really heavy Joe has a comment in the

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02:23:25,049 --> 02:23:29,549Esso our space travelers he's actually

316502:23:26,790 --> 02:23:31,440right now been posting some weird lights

316602:23:29,549 --> 02:23:33,689over top of his house on the Nevada

316702:23:31,440 --> 02:23:36,120California border he's asking have you

316802:23:33,690 --> 02:23:41,250ever taken a photo of an unknown aerial

316902:23:36,120 --> 02:23:45,090object no but in my next book I'm going

317002:23:41,250 --> 02:23:49,771to publish at least one of them a friend

317102:23:45,090 --> 02:23:53,310that I worked with has a son and he was

317202:23:49,771 --> 02:23:55,079out at Chaco Canyon and he was taking

317302:23:53,310 --> 02:23:57,840photographs with his granny and some

317402:23:55,079 --> 02:23:59,819other folks they got back to the

317502:23:57,840 --> 02:24:01,620grandmother's house they threw these

317602:23:59,819 --> 02:24:03,539things up on a computer screen they

317702:24:01,620 --> 02:24:06,420probably took this chip out or they you

317802:24:03,540 --> 02:24:08,311


know can it was on a cell phone and the

317902:24:06,420 --> 02:24:09,870grandmother notices that what's that

318002:24:08,310 --> 02:24:10,860spot and it was one of these beauties

318102:24:09,870 --> 02:24:13,021you know like you see in all these

318202:24:10,860 --> 02:24:14,760western movies and if you ever been out

318302:24:13,021 --> 02:24:18,000to Chaco Canyon which i think is like

318402:24:14,760 --> 02:24:20,969the best and largest Preserve prey blows

318502:24:18,000 --> 02:24:22,560you know in the country they notice this

318602:24:20,969 --> 02:24:24,359time and they did blew it up and they

318702:24:22,560 --> 02:24:28,860realize that they had this oval shaped

318802:24:24,360 --> 02:24:31,470object so I threw a von Smith in fact

318902:24:28,860 --> 02:24:33,960she got me in touch with Rick Shaw he's

319002:24:31,469 --> 02:24:36,750out of California and he's a he can do

319102:24:33,959 --> 02:24:39,329photo analysis his work is video hoes

319202:24:36,750 --> 02:24:41,670and video analysis so he was a qualified


319302:24:39,329 --> 02:24:43,379guy to do that and he said after he

319402:24:41,670 --> 02:24:45,090looked at and he gave me all the

319502:24:43,379 --> 02:24:46,409technical things and he actually took

319602:24:45,090 --> 02:24:48,870the photo and whoo

319702:24:46,409 --> 02:24:51,750arrows and paragraphs like alice's

319802:24:48,870 --> 02:24:55,079restaurant and he said the last thing i

319902:24:51,750 --> 02:24:57,239need to know is is what about the person

320002:24:55,079 --> 02:25:00,510who took this photo did you vet them and

320102:24:57,239 --> 02:25:02,369i had done a couple of hours of

320202:25:00,510 --> 02:25:04,889interview of the person and the mother

320302:25:02,370 --> 02:25:06,660and you know did the research and there

320402:25:04,889 --> 02:25:09,859was no doubt in my mind that this person

320502:25:06,659 --> 02:25:12,930took and gave me an authentic photograph

320602:25:09,860 --> 02:25:16,110that they didn't have time nor the


320702:25:12,930 --> 02:25:18,510equipment to do any adjustment to it

320802:25:16,110 --> 02:25:21,060because the photo came out of their

320902:25:18,510 --> 02:25:24,689phone you know at the moment they got

321002:25:21,059 --> 02:25:27,809home so you know to me it's authentic

321102:25:24,689 --> 02:25:32,430what it is i don't know but i've never

321202:25:27,809 --> 02:25:35,039taken one that i know of but certainly

321302:25:32,430 --> 02:25:37,319my friend has and that was almost going

321402:25:35,040 --> 02:25:39,180to be the cover of my book but nick pope

321502:25:37,319 --> 02:25:41,340told me it's too subtle you don't want

321602:25:39,180 --> 02:25:44,069to be subtle on your book cover so that

321702:25:41,340 --> 02:25:47,159didn't happen but i love to publish it

321802:25:44,069 --> 02:25:48,840and in my next book another question

321902:25:47,159 --> 02:25:50,850from claudia here in the sor space

322002:25:48,840 --> 02:25:52,559travelers and when she gets going she

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02:25:50,850 --> 02:25:56,130gets going really well with some good

322202:25:52,559 --> 02:25:58,049questions goodbye man is asking right if

322302:25:56,129 --> 02:26:01,049someone were to have an experience with

322402:25:58,049 --> 02:26:03,119an alien or UFO what proof would you

322502:26:01,049 --> 02:26:05,369need as a researcher to make it credible

322602:26:03,120 --> 02:26:09,680can you give us a list of what you would

322702:26:05,370 --> 02:26:09,680need before we reported an experience

322802:26:12,139 --> 02:26:19,199well at this point i'm just happy that

322902:26:15,978 --> 02:26:21,059they believe enough in me to tell me

323002:26:19,200 --> 02:26:24,120their story and and i actually have

323102:26:21,059 --> 02:26:27,539people who claim to be experiencers who

323202:26:24,120 --> 02:26:31,229have offered to be the subjects of my

323302:26:27,540 --> 02:26:32,820upcoming book so at this point you know

323402:26:31,228 --> 02:26:36,629i'm taking it on faith

323502:26:32,819 --> 02:26:38,879


but once i get their stories down and I

323602:26:36,629 --> 02:26:41,759get enough particular that I can

323702:26:38,879 --> 02:26:47,219research then I'll try to verify that on

323802:26:41,760 --> 02:26:50,100my own and in fact what I have suggested

323902:26:47,219 --> 02:26:52,709and just Dancer de bout and this is what

324002:26:50,100 --> 02:26:56,970maybe you know after hours we're going

324102:26:52,709 --> 02:27:00,000to talk about is I had floated the

324202:26:56,969 --> 02:27:02,639balloon about genetic testing

324302:27:00,000 --> 02:27:05,750and whether or not we could find certain

324402:27:02,639 --> 02:27:08,969blood markers that would differentiate

324502:27:05,750 --> 02:27:11,299people who claim to be hybrids or aliens

324602:27:08,969 --> 02:27:14,579or that from the rest of the population

324702:27:11,299 --> 02:27:16,648and I'm getting a mixed reaction on that

324802:27:14,579 --> 02:27:18,389right now you know the people who are

324902:27:16,648 --> 02:27:21,059the researchers tell me well it's


325002:27:18,389 --> 02:27:23,639expensive and it's a great idea and I

325102:27:21,059 --> 02:27:26,579just the other day uncovered something

325202:27:23,639 --> 02:27:29,539from somebody who found blood markers

325302:27:26,579 --> 02:27:32,789and they're doing that on people and

325402:27:29,540 --> 02:27:35,399instantaneously I can't recall what the

325502:27:32,790 --> 02:27:38,090difference is but they oh they did they

325602:27:35,398 --> 02:27:40,528did find some markers that are unique i

325702:27:38,090 --> 02:27:42,659what they are now I just can't recall

325802:27:40,529 --> 02:27:45,479because I'd only seen the show once but

325902:27:42,659 --> 02:27:48,840I recommended or suggested to the people

326002:27:45,478 --> 02:27:51,358that I want to be part of my research

326102:27:48,840 --> 02:27:52,920about okay you know if we're going to do

326202:27:51,359 --> 02:27:55,229this then we're going to do some DNA

326302:27:52,920 --> 02:27:57,120testing and you know I need all hands to


326402:27:55,228 --> 02:27:59,129class together and say you know break

326502:27:57,120 --> 02:28:02,579we're going to do this so I haven't

326602:27:59,129 --> 02:28:04,949convinced them yet but if I had that

326702:28:02,579 --> 02:28:07,559kind of evidence then it's more than

326802:28:04,950 --> 02:28:09,659evidence it's proof but just to talk to

326902:28:07,559 --> 02:28:12,000me in to have somebody tell me their

327002:28:09,659 --> 02:28:12,930story I don't really need any evidence

327102:28:12,000 --> 02:28:15,090at this point you know if it's

327202:28:12,930 --> 02:28:16,738interesting enough I'll ask more

327302:28:15,090 --> 02:28:20,520questions and I'll get more factoids and

327402:28:16,738 --> 02:28:21,898I'll eventually dig into it but no I you

327502:28:20,520 --> 02:28:25,710know you don't need a square in a Bible

327602:28:21,898 --> 02:28:27,389to tell me your story do you have them

327702:28:25,709 --> 02:28:31,589plans to write more books about these

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02:28:27,389 --> 02:28:34,439topics in regard well like do you even

327902:28:31,590 --> 02:28:36,420it are you gonna stay focused on on UFOs

328002:28:34,439 --> 02:28:40,939are you gonna get more into experiencers

328102:28:36,420 --> 02:28:43,859or maybe try to expand the whole genre I

328202:28:40,939 --> 02:28:45,479think right now my focus is a follow-up

328302:28:43,859 --> 02:28:47,068book to white pads that the one I'm

328402:28:45,478 --> 02:28:49,949gonna get enough people to read it and

328502:28:47,068 --> 02:28:51,090and plow some ground and hopefully

328602:28:49,950 --> 02:28:53,550someone's going to come out of the

328702:28:51,090 --> 02:28:56,299woodwork and say you know what I've got

328802:28:53,549 --> 02:28:58,648the story I want to get off my chest and

328902:28:56,299 --> 02:29:00,119hopefully I can publish it you know I

329002:28:58,648 --> 02:29:02,939had a guy come up to me in North

329102:29:00,120 --> 02:29:05,399Carolina and he said the story you told

329202:29:02,939 --> 02:29:08,220


us about the man in black being an FTD

329302:29:05,398 --> 02:29:10,799and you know you talked to him on the

329402:29:08,219 --> 02:29:12,929campus of the intelligence agency and

329502:29:10,799 --> 02:29:13,479everything else he told us he said your

329602:29:12,930 --> 02:29:17,319story

329702:29:13,479 --> 02:29:20,921he is spot-on and I said how do you know

329802:29:17,319 --> 02:29:23,529and he said I was an OSI agent for 30

329902:29:20,921 --> 02:29:25,211years I was a senior agent and and

330002:29:23,530 --> 02:29:30,311you're you know if you know your history

330102:29:25,210 --> 02:29:33,010the OSI did UFO investigations so if

330202:29:30,310 --> 02:29:35,261there were men in black at some time in

330302:29:33,011 --> 02:29:38,290this man's career then he would probably

330402:29:35,261 --> 02:29:40,390cross paths with them but regardless he

330502:29:38,290 --> 02:29:42,671was telling me look at I'm a former OSI

330602:29:40,390 --> 02:29:44,979guy and you're still respond now


330702:29:42,671 --> 02:29:47,050could it be lying to me that guess so

330802:29:44,979 --> 02:29:49,239he's the last guy in line and he's the

330902:29:47,050 --> 02:29:51,220last guy buying a book and so I'm

331002:29:49,239 --> 02:29:55,210thinking I'm gonna be slick and I go who

331102:29:51,220 --> 02:29:56,800do I autograph this book to you know

331202:29:55,210 --> 02:29:59,170hoping he's going to tell me his name

331302:29:56,800 --> 02:30:01,810but he did it he gave me a nickname and

331402:29:59,171 --> 02:30:04,630he just smiled and of course I autograph

331502:30:01,810 --> 02:30:09,909the book and you know reported as

331602:30:04,630 --> 02:30:12,939offense so there are people that are

331702:30:09,909 --> 02:30:14,560coming out and telling me things so

331802:30:12,940 --> 02:30:17,560that's why I think I'll have another

331902:30:14,560 --> 02:30:19,270good book that's more along the line of

332002:30:17,560 --> 02:30:22,329my first one and I'm really interested


332102:30:19,271 --> 02:30:24,159in the experience or phenomena and I'd

332202:30:22,329 --> 02:30:28,931really like to do a book about that too

332302:30:24,159 --> 02:30:31,329but if I if I can't in my heart say I

332402:30:28,931 --> 02:30:33,461really really believe their stories or

332502:30:31,329 --> 02:30:35,620you know I can't get them to cooperate

332602:30:33,460 --> 02:30:37,840and I think there's something fishy then

332702:30:35,620 --> 02:30:40,750I just won't publish that it'll just be

332802:30:37,841 --> 02:30:43,300you know I think I'll keep them myself

332902:30:40,750 --> 02:30:43,690see what I think that's what I like yeah

333002:30:43,300 --> 02:30:45,699go ahead

333102:30:43,690 --> 02:30:49,690what I would love a writer to do such as

333202:30:45,700 --> 02:30:53,851yourself is I would love to see a writer

333302:30:49,690 --> 02:30:57,370take on the whole blanket of paranormal

333402:30:53,851 --> 02:30:59,860because I truly believe that it's a

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02:30:57,370 --> 02:31:02,110topic that really no one is talking

333602:30:59,860 --> 02:31:04,329about because everybody tries to to

333702:31:02,110 --> 02:31:06,551break off the branches okay we got UFOs

333802:31:04,329 --> 02:31:08,921here we got ETS an abduction here we

333902:31:06,550 --> 02:31:10,810have ghosts here and demons and over

334002:31:08,921 --> 02:31:12,729here we have the cryptids with Bigfoot

334102:31:10,810 --> 02:31:15,899and dog man and frog man and Mothman and

334202:31:12,729 --> 02:31:20,579whatever man you want to come up with

334302:31:15,899 --> 02:31:24,819but in my own personal experience ray

334402:31:20,579 --> 02:31:27,610mine went from in in the span of three

334502:31:24,819 --> 02:31:32,530and a half years it went from

334602:31:27,610 --> 02:31:36,610straight paranormal two cryptid two UFOs

334702:31:32,531 --> 02:31:37,990two alien encounters and I am a firm

334802:31:36,610 --> 02:31:40,990believer and I know a few of our

334902:31:37,990 --> 02:31:44,380


listeners are as well that there is some

335002:31:40,990 --> 02:31:48,040sort of perennial tie-in between the

335102:31:44,380 --> 02:31:51,300whole gamut of paranormal and it seems

335202:31:48,040 --> 02:31:54,220like there are very few if any people

335302:31:51,300 --> 02:31:57,100especially writers who want to take on

335402:31:54,220 --> 02:32:00,100that topic to try and find what is the

335502:31:57,101 --> 02:32:01,810connection between all of these fields

335602:32:00,101 --> 02:32:06,641have you ever thought about something

335702:32:01,810 --> 02:32:09,690like that I have now I am and I'll use

335802:32:06,640 --> 02:32:13,720the word friend very loosely here but

335902:32:09,690 --> 02:32:16,060you know I've had extensive conversation

336002:32:13,720 --> 02:32:18,399with crop circle people like say paddy

336102:32:16,060 --> 02:32:19,831grill you know who's who's at the top of

336202:32:18,399 --> 02:32:24,931the field has done some wonderful work

336302:32:19,831 --> 02:32:27,190I've I've done the same thing with the


336402:32:24,931 --> 02:32:29,261experience for people like Avon Smith I

336502:32:27,190 --> 02:32:31,511sit through the experience of sessions

336602:32:29,261 --> 02:32:33,610that she runs she actually with the

336702:32:31,511 --> 02:32:35,621permission of the client let me sit

336802:32:33,610 --> 02:32:39,069through one of her regressions so I

336902:32:35,620 --> 02:32:41,800actually got to see this in action I'm

337002:32:39,069 --> 02:32:45,520friends with somebody we just published

337102:32:41,800 --> 02:32:49,841a book in fact they just sent me a

337202:32:45,521 --> 02:32:54,011message they wrote a book this is sandy

337302:32:49,841 --> 02:32:58,331Harrington and she wrote a book which it

337402:32:54,011 --> 02:33:02,970addresses the walkins phenomena and so

337502:32:58,331 --> 02:33:06,190the point I'm trying to get at is that

337602:33:02,970 --> 02:33:08,439for some reason somehow these people

337702:33:06,190 --> 02:33:11,140have come into my life


337802:33:08,440 --> 02:33:13,301some briefly summer staged you know many

337902:33:11,140 --> 02:33:15,729you know I can go back and you know we

338002:33:13,300 --> 02:33:18,130exchanged emails on a regular basis so

338102:33:15,729 --> 02:33:21,939I'm getting exposure to all these areas

338202:33:18,130 --> 02:33:25,600and I'm getting comfortable with areas

338302:33:21,940 --> 02:33:28,721that I I never even thought of before so

338402:33:25,601 --> 02:33:30,581I think if I would write a book it's

338502:33:28,720 --> 02:33:32,710just going to be by happenstance it's

338602:33:30,581 --> 02:33:34,931going to be a look at you really know a

338702:33:32,710 --> 02:33:36,399lot about this and you know a lot about

338802:33:34,931 --> 02:33:40,121that I mean a lot about that and then

338902:33:36,399 --> 02:33:41,318suddenly you know my my researcher

339002:33:40,120 --> 02:33:43,628background is going to kick in

339102:33:41,318 --> 02:33:45,908and and you know theories are going to

3392


02:33:43,629 --> 02:33:49,390abound that maybe I can bind all of

339302:33:45,908 --> 02:33:53,498these areas together but for me to try

339402:33:49,389 --> 02:33:54,818to eat the elephant in one bite and go

339502:33:53,498 --> 02:33:57,639I'm just going to write a book about

339602:33:54,818 --> 02:33:59,350this I just don't think it's practical I

339702:33:57,639 --> 02:34:02,498think it would just drive me totally out

339802:33:59,350 --> 02:34:06,338of my mind and you know I'm retired I

339902:34:02,498 --> 02:34:09,850don't need the book sales I don't have

340002:34:06,338 --> 02:34:12,818to concoct things to you know get

340102:34:09,850 --> 02:34:15,550speaking engagements at conferences you

340202:34:12,818 --> 02:34:18,158know I'm independent of what happens

340302:34:15,549 --> 02:34:19,868with these with these book sales so I

340402:34:18,158 --> 02:34:22,868can pick and choose what I want to do

340502:34:19,869 --> 02:34:26,140and keep it factual even if it's a bit

340602:34:22,869 --> 02:34:27,699


boring and I think that's good for the

340702:34:26,139 --> 02:34:29,318consumer because they're gonna know that

340802:34:27,699 --> 02:34:32,260I've dug everything the ground and I've

340902:34:29,318 --> 02:34:34,238researched it but I just don't have the

341002:34:32,260 --> 02:34:36,338time at this point in the near future

341102:34:34,238 --> 02:34:39,338especially putting together two more

341202:34:36,338 --> 02:34:41,738poems here to go yeah I think I'd like

341302:34:39,338 --> 02:34:43,930to do that I think if it happens it's

341402:34:41,738 --> 02:34:49,389just gonna be like a natural progression

341502:34:43,930 --> 02:34:55,389from the previous work I've done I just

341602:34:49,389 --> 02:34:57,128think it's some unknown tie and it makes

341702:34:55,389 --> 02:34:59,049me scratch my head my friend Eric Cooper

341802:34:57,129 --> 02:35:01,449from forest moon paranormal him and I

341902:34:59,049 --> 02:35:05,259talked about it quite frequently about

342002:35:01,449 --> 02:35:08,739what the tie is and he has some theories


342102:35:05,260 --> 02:35:12,639and they make sense but I'm just not

342202:35:08,738 --> 02:35:14,078sure if I'm fully 100% convinced and

342302:35:12,639 --> 02:35:15,338this is no offense to Eric because I

342402:35:14,078 --> 02:35:18,488know he's listening right now in the

342502:35:15,338 --> 02:35:21,578chat room but I'm just not fully

342602:35:18,488 --> 02:35:24,219convinced that it's something that's

342702:35:21,578 --> 02:35:25,779simple because when I replay everything

342802:35:24,219 --> 02:35:28,118that is happened to me personally over

342902:35:25,779 --> 02:35:32,109the last well we're going on five years

343002:35:28,119 --> 02:35:34,539now in December it absolutely baffles me

343102:35:32,109 --> 02:35:39,309how it can go from one extreme to

343202:35:34,539 --> 02:35:41,439another in such an even flow and that's

343302:35:39,309 --> 02:35:43,538the whole key issue and that's the

343402:35:41,439 --> 02:35:46,059reason why I asked you that question in


343502:35:43,539 --> 02:35:48,189regards to the whole realm of the

343602:35:46,059 --> 02:35:52,658paranormal rather than just pieces and

343702:35:48,189 --> 02:35:55,119snippets of it I had a professor who

343802:35:52,658 --> 02:35:58,059would end every lecture by saying

343902:35:55,119 --> 02:36:01,449his name is dick Becky dr. Becky and he

344002:35:58,059 --> 02:36:03,998was control systems and he said every

344102:36:01,449 --> 02:36:06,759day there's so much we don't know and

344202:36:03,998 --> 02:36:09,189then he put the talk down and it's it's

344302:36:06,759 --> 02:36:12,039true there's some of these things that I

344402:36:09,189 --> 02:36:13,600had no clue about but it builds as I do

344502:36:12,039 --> 02:36:15,779a talk if someone comes up to me like

344602:36:13,600 --> 02:36:19,929I'm going to be briefing the

344702:36:15,779 --> 02:36:23,248ghost-hunting Society of Dayton in

344802:36:19,929 --> 02:36:26,439January and I never thought about that

3449


02:36:23,248 --> 02:36:30,998but it turns out that white cat has an

345002:36:26,439 --> 02:36:32,709extraterrestrial haunting you know in a

345102:36:30,998 --> 02:36:33,939hospital that I have access to and

345202:36:32,709 --> 02:36:36,009photographs out and that they're

345302:36:33,939 --> 02:36:37,359interested in hearing about and I'm

345402:36:36,009 --> 02:36:39,520going to find out more about what they

345502:36:37,359 --> 02:36:41,109do so it's just it's kind of like you

345602:36:39,520 --> 02:36:44,020know a snowball rolling down the hill

345702:36:41,109 --> 02:36:45,399here same thing with a Sandy Harrington

345802:36:44,020 --> 02:36:49,389I didn't know her from Adam but she

345902:36:45,398 --> 02:36:52,898showed up at a MUFON conference a MUFON

346002:36:49,388 --> 02:36:54,338chapter briefing that I gave and next

346102:36:52,898 --> 02:36:55,988thing I know you know we're exchanging

346202:36:54,338 --> 02:36:58,658emails about what she knows and her

346302:36:55,988 --> 02:37:00,850


books and so you know it could come to

346402:36:58,658 --> 02:37:02,859that I just don't have that on my

346502:37:00,850 --> 02:37:06,459personal radio it's not that in my new

346602:37:02,859 --> 02:37:07,988top three list of things to do I've got

346702:37:06,459 --> 02:37:10,239another question from Claudia and the

346802:37:07,988 --> 02:37:12,908SOR space travelers Club she is asking

346902:37:10,238 --> 02:37:14,888an experiencer is usually in shock and

347002:37:12,908 --> 02:37:17,318will not respond in a logical way to

347102:37:14,888 --> 02:37:20,259collect evidence in the moment how many

347202:37:17,318 --> 02:37:22,148stories have you heard ray that you felt

347302:37:20,259 --> 02:37:24,968was an honest account of what happened

347402:37:22,148 --> 02:37:33,429to people but they just do not have the

347502:37:24,968 --> 02:37:35,918evidence and how do you believe them one

347602:37:33,429 --> 02:37:39,309of the persons that I'm looking at and

347702:37:35,918 --> 02:37:43,779interviewing early on to tell their


347802:37:39,309 --> 02:37:46,718story in my book tells me that mmm every

347902:37:43,779 --> 02:37:48,039time they go back to the ship they go

348002:37:46,718 --> 02:37:51,818back with the thought that they're going

348102:37:48,039 --> 02:37:54,819to take something back with them and the

348202:37:51,818 --> 02:37:58,388experience is such that and the mind

348302:37:54,818 --> 02:38:00,398control is such that it never happens

348402:37:58,388 --> 02:38:02,318because you know the person is in

348502:38:00,398 --> 02:38:04,388somewhat of a vegetative state when

348602:38:02,318 --> 02:38:05,498they're released and when they're up

348702:38:04,388 --> 02:38:08,829there and they're you know being

348802:38:05,498 --> 02:38:11,859experimented on or being who knows what

348902:38:08,829 --> 02:38:13,750that thought just disappears they're

349002:38:11,859 --> 02:38:18,180like trying to survive or trying to deal

349102:38:13,750 --> 02:38:20,829with what's going on in in the ship so


349202:38:18,180 --> 02:38:24,159they forget about so there's no evidence

349302:38:20,829 --> 02:38:27,639but if you read a book like Coronado by

349402:38:24,159 --> 02:38:29,350a von Smith you have several people who

349502:38:27,639 --> 02:38:32,619were at the conference at the Coronado

349602:38:29,350 --> 02:38:34,568Hotel on Coronado Island just days

349702:38:32,620 --> 02:38:36,130before President Clinton was to give a

349802:38:34,568 --> 02:38:39,489talk there so the place was crawling

349902:38:36,129 --> 02:38:41,349with Secret Service agents and a handful

350002:38:39,489 --> 02:38:42,699of the people that were known to Yvonne

350102:38:41,350 --> 02:38:43,899beforehand because they were in a

350202:38:42,700 --> 02:38:47,710support group of hers

350302:38:43,898 --> 02:38:49,930all claimed that they were abducted

350402:38:47,709 --> 02:38:51,639during the weekend that the UFO

350502:38:49,930 --> 02:38:54,340conference was being held in the hotel

3506


02:38:51,639 --> 02:38:56,318and not only did they see people of

350702:38:54,340 --> 02:38:59,500their support group but they saw other

350802:38:56,318 --> 02:39:01,959people in the abduction area waiting

350902:38:59,500 --> 02:39:04,148room whatever they call it that they

351002:39:01,959 --> 02:39:06,009recognized were attendees at that same

351102:39:04,148 --> 02:39:07,989conference so it's not like they were

351202:39:06,010 --> 02:39:10,210recalling faces that they saw every

351302:39:07,989 --> 02:39:12,159month in lavon's support group they

351402:39:10,209 --> 02:39:14,648actually saw other people on the ship

351502:39:12,159 --> 02:39:16,389with them who they passed in the

351602:39:14,648 --> 02:39:18,879hallways of the hotel during that

351702:39:16,389 --> 02:39:23,049weekend so here you have a corroboration

351802:39:18,879 --> 02:39:25,269of you know dozens of people who you

351902:39:23,049 --> 02:39:27,340know were interviewed in conscious and

352002:39:25,270 --> 02:39:28,300


subconscious state sets and yes I recall

352102:39:27,340 --> 02:39:32,309seeing you there

352202:39:28,299 --> 02:39:34,898so are they all crazy I hardly think so

352302:39:32,309 --> 02:39:37,389you know if one person said well I saw

352402:39:34,898 --> 02:39:38,82920 of you and the other 20 said nah we

352502:39:37,389 --> 02:39:41,318didn't see you but they're all

352602:39:38,829 --> 02:39:44,228collaborating each other stories do you

352702:39:41,318 --> 02:39:46,750know that has a wait with me and and I

352802:39:44,228 --> 02:39:50,170tend to think okay we've got some smoke

352902:39:46,750 --> 02:39:54,280going on here so again you know I don't

353002:39:50,170 --> 02:39:56,139need a piece of the spaceship you know

353102:39:54,280 --> 02:39:58,689there are people who have pieces of a

353202:39:56,139 --> 02:40:01,959spaceship and that would be great but

353302:39:58,689 --> 02:40:03,970there's a tough evidence for me to go

353402:40:01,959 --> 02:40:05,889look at this is a worthwhile thing for


353502:40:03,969 --> 02:40:08,349you to pursue there's enough evidence

353602:40:05,889 --> 02:40:10,090there it's interesting enough and you

353702:40:08,350 --> 02:40:12,010know please tell me your story because

353802:40:10,090 --> 02:40:13,600it's going to be a lot more interesting

353902:40:12,010 --> 02:40:16,750than hearing about you know taking your

354002:40:13,600 --> 02:40:20,979kids to soccer yeah we don't discuss

354102:40:16,750 --> 02:40:22,549soccer on this show if sport was the

354202:40:20,978 --> 02:40:25,010anti if sports was

354302:40:22,549 --> 02:40:29,659legend soccer would be the Antichrist in

354402:40:25,010 --> 02:40:34,728my opinion no we'll take some heat for

354502:40:29,659 --> 02:40:36,680that one but I had to ask you I'm gonna

354602:40:34,728 --> 02:40:39,920be doing my first conference here

354702:40:36,680 --> 02:40:41,780speaking in concrete Washington October

354802:40:39,920 --> 02:40:44,239at the forest moon paranormal Paracon


354902:40:41,780 --> 02:40:48,859how much do you enjoy speaking at these

355002:40:44,239 --> 02:40:52,340conferences I'll never have I've never

355102:40:48,859 --> 02:40:56,180been invited and and I have I have

355202:40:52,340 --> 02:40:59,420talked to the well the guy who runs the

355302:40:56,180 --> 02:41:01,180International UFO Congress and I haven't

355402:40:59,420 --> 02:41:05,389gotten a response back from them I

355502:41:01,180 --> 02:41:07,250actually had a major person contact the

355602:41:05,389 --> 02:41:11,420Roswell people they haven't gotten back

355702:41:07,250 --> 02:41:13,068to me and I contact the contact in the

355802:41:11,420 --> 02:41:15,200desert and I know the person who runs it

355902:41:13,068 --> 02:41:17,959and apparently I'm not high-profile

356002:41:15,200 --> 02:41:21,079enough so no response yet but you know I

356102:41:17,959 --> 02:41:25,398still have hopes that maybe Roswell will

356202:41:21,079 --> 02:41:26,689invite because I am the foremost

3563


02:41:25,398 --> 02:41:29,090authority on wright-patterson Air Force

356402:41:26,689 --> 02:41:31,280Base in UFOs having worked it for 40

356502:41:29,090 --> 02:41:32,898years and from all my research and since

356602:41:31,280 --> 02:41:35,479Roswell is all about wright-patterson

356702:41:32,898 --> 02:41:37,459and UFOs I can't imagine why they

356802:41:35,478 --> 02:41:39,318wouldn't invite me and now I'm a

356902:41:37,459 --> 02:41:42,289published author so again I've got some

357002:41:39,318 --> 02:41:45,619credentials so what are you driving at

357102:41:42,290 --> 02:41:49,640here I'm just saying that it's time to

357202:41:45,620 --> 02:41:51,260start talking on this circuit man all

357302:41:49,639 --> 02:41:53,478right I'd love to do one I just I

357402:41:51,260 --> 02:41:55,159haven't been invited yet so and I don't

357502:41:53,478 --> 02:41:58,599go anywhere that I've not been invited

357602:41:55,159 --> 02:42:01,639that's that's a raised rule number one

357702:41:58,600 --> 02:42:03,470


well Eric Cooper who runs force boom

357802:42:01,639 --> 02:42:05,119paranormals Paracon says if you can make

357902:42:03,469 --> 02:42:07,989it to Washington State in October you're

358002:42:05,120 --> 02:42:11,740more than welcome to come on out and

358102:42:07,989 --> 02:42:11,739make it happen okay

358202:42:12,079 --> 02:42:17,539well if someone would be so kind as to

358302:42:14,510 --> 02:42:19,489send me you know just a little link to

358402:42:17,540 --> 02:42:22,310those guys and I'd be happy to engage

358502:42:19,489 --> 02:42:24,680them you know I do have a couple of

358602:42:22,309 --> 02:42:26,090things locally going on in October but

358702:42:24,680 --> 02:42:27,680you know I'm not booked for any

358802:42:26,090 --> 02:42:30,049conferences at this point and that might

358902:42:27,680 --> 02:42:32,630be a great starting point well actually

359002:42:30,049 --> 02:42:34,429I think he's booked up for this year but

359102:42:32,629 --> 02:42:36,199he says next year for sure he would have


359202:42:34,430 --> 02:42:40,100a spot open for you

359302:42:36,200 --> 02:42:43,760well next year just again if he would

359402:42:40,100 --> 02:42:47,689you know my email is it's a UFO I ts a

359502:42:43,760 --> 02:42:49,670UFO it's a UFO at yahoo.com and if you

359602:42:47,689 --> 02:42:53,989want to send me something I'd love to

359702:42:49,670 --> 02:42:55,728Entertainment now plan for it absolutely

359802:42:53,989 --> 02:42:59,629and thank you very much and thank you

359902:42:55,728 --> 02:43:01,519very much sir do you go to a lot of

360002:42:59,629 --> 02:43:04,459conferences though have you attended a

360102:43:01,520 --> 02:43:07,610lot or banquets because apparently from

360202:43:04,459 --> 02:43:11,989what I have read you have these fan

360302:43:07,610 --> 02:43:15,079t-shirts you like to wear yes I started

360402:43:11,989 --> 02:43:17,360going in 2012 I started off the

360502:43:15,079 --> 02:43:21,559International UFO Congress and I really


360602:43:17,360 --> 02:43:23,270I've been at that one in 12 13 14 and 15

360702:43:21,559 --> 02:43:25,340and then I've been at the last three

360802:43:23,270 --> 02:43:28,729contact in the deserts and besides that

360902:43:25,340 --> 02:43:31,880I've not gone to any others and I've

361002:43:28,728 --> 02:43:34,010been able to make good friends you know

361102:43:31,879 --> 02:43:35,959like Nick Pope and I'd buy beers for

361202:43:34,010 --> 02:43:37,700each other and you know I have dinner

361302:43:35,959 --> 02:43:41,659with the faun Smith and her friends and

361402:43:37,700 --> 02:43:44,960you know other folks yeah I have a great

361502:43:41,659 --> 02:43:47,239picture of Nick Pope of on Smith and

361602:43:44,959 --> 02:43:50,659paul davids three of my endorsers

361702:43:47,239 --> 02:43:54,260holding my book at the international UFO

361802:43:50,659 --> 02:43:56,569congress and it was a photo op it was it

361902:43:54,260 --> 02:43:58,280for marketing purposes and we all sat

3620


02:43:56,569 --> 02:44:00,829together at the banquet so I've made

362102:43:58,280 --> 02:44:03,590wonderful friends these these people I

362202:44:00,829 --> 02:44:05,180can't even carry their their shoes you

362302:44:03,590 --> 02:44:08,389know they're they're so accomplished but

362402:44:05,180 --> 02:44:10,250they've befriended me and you know

362502:44:08,389 --> 02:44:12,379that's one of the big draws for me to go

362602:44:10,250 --> 02:44:14,930to a conference but it's been limited

362702:44:12,379 --> 02:44:16,250and I've you know these are the big

362802:44:14,930 --> 02:44:18,319conferences those are the probably two

362902:44:16,250 --> 02:44:20,030biggest in the world and so I've crossed

363002:44:18,319 --> 02:44:23,510paths with these people multiple times

363102:44:20,030 --> 02:44:26,329and we just we socialize and and we do

363202:44:23,510 --> 02:44:29,120professional things together and I would

363302:44:26,329 --> 02:44:31,069recommend it for anybody so right now

363402:44:29,120 --> 02:44:33,410


it's been limited and you know I'm on my

363502:44:31,069 --> 02:44:36,319own nickel and you know I'm not selling

363602:44:33,409 --> 02:44:38,539thousands of books yet so you know I'm

363702:44:36,319 --> 02:44:40,340probably underwater for sure for all the

363802:44:38,540 --> 02:44:42,380research and the investment I've made

363902:44:40,340 --> 02:44:45,409but you know maybe eventually you know I

364002:44:42,379 --> 02:44:46,938go to more especially if I was a speaker

364102:44:45,409 --> 02:44:49,250and they go while we're painting airfare

364202:44:46,939 --> 02:44:51,229we're paying you know for you

364302:44:49,250 --> 02:44:52,790hotel room and you know if they took

364402:44:51,229 --> 02:44:54,379care of that I'd be delighted

364502:44:52,790 --> 02:44:56,120I'd be absolutely delighted because then

364602:44:54,379 --> 02:44:58,129I could afford to do it and I'm retired

364702:44:56,120 --> 02:45:00,310so I don't really have anything that

364802:44:58,129 --> 02:45:03,379would prevent me other than you know I


364902:45:00,309 --> 02:45:06,829just can't afford to do more than two

365002:45:03,379 --> 02:45:09,199conferences a year Eric has a question

365102:45:06,829 --> 02:45:11,809for you in the speech no radio chat room

365202:45:09,200 --> 02:45:13,670on Spreaker he is asking what do you

365302:45:11,809 --> 02:45:16,039know ray about the United States Air

365402:45:13,670 --> 02:45:20,139Force having made some flying disk craft

365502:45:16,040 --> 02:45:20,140and no I'm not talking about the avrocar

365602:45:20,350 --> 02:45:25,909yeah the only thing I know about is the

365702:45:23,000 --> 02:45:27,799avrocar and there was supposed to be

365802:45:25,909 --> 02:45:30,649another one that the Navy did called the

365902:45:27,799 --> 02:45:33,349flapjack and the Air Force had a big

366002:45:30,649 --> 02:45:35,690hand in it but it was Navy driven and it

366102:45:33,350 --> 02:45:37,399looks like a gigantic disc and it's got

366202:45:35,690 --> 02:45:39,739a tail and and I've actually seen a


366302:45:37,399 --> 02:45:41,629video of this thing flying and it was on

366402:45:39,739 --> 02:45:44,360a documentary so it's not a secret thing

366502:45:41,629 --> 02:45:47,359so uh you know I think they did others

366602:45:44,360 --> 02:45:49,040but but you know the avrocar was a

366702:45:47,360 --> 02:45:51,470different kind of propulsion system you

366802:45:49,040 --> 02:45:54,050know it was a vertical takeoff where you

366902:45:51,469 --> 02:45:56,389know the other one was more of a jet

367002:45:54,049 --> 02:45:58,219engine how they got it launched I don't

367102:45:56,389 --> 02:46:00,739know a lot of times they dropped these

367202:45:58,219 --> 02:46:02,479things from a carrier bird and then like

367302:46:00,739 --> 02:46:05,989you know missile testing or you know the

367402:46:02,479 --> 02:46:08,479the f-15 or the x-15 where you know they

367502:46:05,989 --> 02:46:10,729drop it from the underbelly but yeah

367602:46:08,479 --> 02:46:11,659there's I saw another documentary I know

3677


02:46:10,729 --> 02:46:17,479nothing about it

367802:46:11,659 --> 02:46:20,239other than the visual I'm not sure that

367902:46:17,479 --> 02:46:23,289what they're actually hiding or what

368002:46:20,239 --> 02:46:27,229they are doing I want to find out I

368102:46:23,290 --> 02:46:28,790definitely want to find out I can't

368202:46:27,229 --> 02:46:30,739imagine that we have a disc that

368302:46:28,790 --> 02:46:32,660operates like what we see in the sky and

368402:46:30,739 --> 02:46:35,360that we claim is extraterrestrial

368502:46:32,659 --> 02:46:37,430I was with Air Force Research Lab for

368602:46:35,360 --> 02:46:39,730nearly 40 years and yeah you don't get

368702:46:37,430 --> 02:46:42,380to see everything but you know what I

368802:46:39,729 --> 02:46:45,469can't imagine we've got a distant fly

368902:46:42,379 --> 02:46:48,049surround like one of arrows well there

369002:46:45,469 --> 02:46:52,609is rumor that the tr-3b the big black

369102:46:48,049 --> 02:46:59,149


triangle is ours what do you think about

369202:46:52,610 --> 02:47:01,489that prove it to me I just I can't see

369302:46:59,149 --> 02:47:02,478it I just I just don't think we're there

369402:47:01,489 --> 02:47:04,520yet

369502:47:02,478 --> 02:47:10,099you know regardless of what been rich

369602:47:04,520 --> 02:47:11,748has been rich bouncing I got that's a

369702:47:10,100 --> 02:47:14,300potent name to bring up or especially

369802:47:11,748 --> 02:47:16,430around these parts considering that that

369902:47:14,299 --> 02:47:18,408you know some of the statements he made

370002:47:16,430 --> 02:47:20,658and you know whether or not people

370102:47:18,408 --> 02:47:22,340believe it's a hoax or not it's pretty

370202:47:20,658 --> 02:47:24,408incredible that someone of that stature

370302:47:22,340 --> 02:47:28,818would be able to say that unless he was

370402:47:24,408 --> 02:47:30,859playing the ultimate spy mind trick well

370502:47:28,818 --> 02:47:34,879there's actually a different dissection


370602:47:30,859 --> 02:47:37,399of that event and one that I read makes

370702:47:34,879 --> 02:47:39,799it perfectly plausible that he was

370802:47:37,398 --> 02:47:41,988quoted out of context and when he said

370902:47:39,799 --> 02:47:44,988we know we have the technology to go to

371002:47:41,988 --> 02:47:47,988the Stars it didn't mean that we have an

371102:47:44,988 --> 02:47:51,680extraterrestrial like craft do it in and

371202:47:47,988 --> 02:47:55,670there's actually somebody found you know

371302:47:51,680 --> 02:47:58,039more information on that and at a speech

371402:47:55,670 --> 02:47:59,270she gave that helped correct that now

371502:47:58,039 --> 02:48:03,529maybe he was just covering his tracks

371602:47:59,270 --> 02:48:06,170but it leads one to believe that we've

371702:48:03,529 --> 02:48:08,539put more meaning into his statement than

371802:48:06,170 --> 02:48:11,270what was really meant at the time so you

371902:48:08,539 --> 02:48:14,329know again I haven't researched it that


372002:48:11,270 --> 02:48:17,199deeply but the jury is still out on what

372102:48:14,328 --> 02:48:17,199he meant by that statement

372202:48:18,158 --> 02:48:23,748so the curiosity still roams around area

372302:48:21,228 --> 02:48:26,84051 for you then or wright-patt which

372402:48:23,748 --> 02:48:28,578would be much much absolutely absolutely

372502:48:26,840 --> 02:48:30,318and you know I can get on wright-patt

372602:48:28,578 --> 02:48:31,969pretty much any time until somebody

372702:48:30,318 --> 02:48:35,389listened to this show and they revoked

372802:48:31,969 --> 02:48:39,438my pass and they they squashed my they

372902:48:35,389 --> 02:48:41,478squashed my pension but but you know

373002:48:39,439 --> 02:48:42,828they bring birds out here every once in

373102:48:41,478 --> 02:48:44,778a while you know because the program

373202:48:42,828 --> 02:48:46,129offices are out here and they're not

373302:48:44,779 --> 02:48:47,960that you know they're no longer

3734


02:48:46,129 --> 02:48:49,998classified but you know we see our share

373502:48:47,959 --> 02:48:51,828of of birds that were formerly

373602:48:49,998 --> 02:48:54,199classified here so it wouldn't be

373702:48:51,828 --> 02:48:56,538surprising that you know someday soon

373802:48:54,199 --> 02:48:58,130you know this tr3 or whatever you

373902:48:56,539 --> 02:49:00,140mentioned you know if it makes its way

374002:48:58,129 --> 02:49:02,228to the runway you'll be the second

374102:49:00,139 --> 02:49:04,760person to know Dave I promise you that I

374202:49:02,228 --> 02:49:11,148hope so I'm gonna hold you up on that

374302:49:04,760 --> 02:49:14,059hey you're from Ohio and one thing that

374402:49:11,148 --> 02:49:16,010I have noticed in this last year ray is

374502:49:14,059 --> 02:49:21,319how many

374602:49:16,011 --> 02:49:24,881guests of mine actually are from Ohio

374702:49:21,319 --> 02:49:29,569and how much weird and strange

374802:49:24,880 --> 02:49:33,161


happenings happen in Ohio what is it

374902:49:29,569 --> 02:49:36,110about that that Ohio West Virginia

375002:49:33,161 --> 02:49:38,630western Pennsylvania area it's almost

375102:49:36,110 --> 02:49:41,051like a triangle and I don't mean to use

375202:49:38,630 --> 02:49:44,779that in cliche but what is it about that

375302:49:41,050 --> 02:49:47,680area that just has a lot of strange

375402:49:44,780 --> 02:49:50,271occurrences happening

375502:49:47,681 --> 02:49:54,140well one maybe we're just better

375602:49:50,271 --> 02:49:55,521reporters so it's it's not is just we're

375702:49:54,140 --> 02:49:57,529better telling you know the story in

375802:49:55,521 --> 02:49:59,721capturing the facts but you know the

375902:49:57,530 --> 02:50:03,891Ohio Valley especially the southern part

376002:49:59,720 --> 02:50:07,011of the state was home for you know a

376102:50:03,890 --> 02:50:09,710couple thousand years apparently to a

376202:50:07,011 --> 02:50:11,569culture that was named the Edina culture


376302:50:09,710 --> 02:50:14,090and they named it that way after you

376402:50:11,569 --> 02:50:16,880know they found a giant mountain Adina's

376502:50:14,091 --> 02:50:21,979were mound builders and in my book I

376602:50:16,880 --> 02:50:25,251actually expose an Edina mound that few

376702:50:21,979 --> 02:50:26,899people recognize what it was because it

376802:50:25,251 --> 02:50:28,640was hidden behind a building and now the

376902:50:26,899 --> 02:50:31,640building's torn down and there's a

377002:50:28,640 --> 02:50:33,979photograph of it in my book and it's

377102:50:31,640 --> 02:50:36,020attributed to the Edina culture but in

377202:50:33,979 --> 02:50:37,790Chillicothe Ohio which has one of the

377302:50:36,021 --> 02:50:40,221biggest mounds apparently there was a

377402:50:37,790 --> 02:50:43,161mansion built there and it was nicknamed

377502:50:40,220 --> 02:50:45,819Edina and so when they discovered the

377602:50:43,161 --> 02:50:49,880mounds there the name of the building


377702:50:45,819 --> 02:50:51,591somehow got tagged onto it so Ohio had

377802:50:49,880 --> 02:50:54,501you know mound builders in a serpent

377902:50:51,591 --> 02:50:57,800mound is is in Ohio a lot of those kind

378002:50:54,501 --> 02:51:00,229of animal effigy mounds are here the the

378102:50:57,800 --> 02:51:03,740the miamisburg mound is here and it's

378202:51:00,229 --> 02:51:09,050huge so you know you had a st. in

378302:51:03,740 --> 02:51:11,740culture here and any place that had a

378402:51:09,050 --> 02:51:16,640high concentration of ancient cultures

378502:51:11,740 --> 02:51:19,130seems to be a focal point for these

378602:51:16,640 --> 02:51:20,300sightings for example you know that

378702:51:19,130 --> 02:51:22,189happened in there was only had the

378802:51:20,300 --> 02:51:26,149Phoenix lights and there was you know

378902:51:22,190 --> 02:51:30,319you cannot swing a cactus in the Phoenix

379002:51:26,149 --> 02:51:32,511area without hitting a documented

3791


02:51:30,319 --> 02:51:34,729undocumented archaeological site you

379202:51:32,511 --> 02:51:37,390know they have like Casa Grande there

379302:51:34,729 --> 02:51:41,180which is just a few miles outside of

379402:51:37,390 --> 02:51:43,340Phoenix area but everywhere in that area

379502:51:41,181 --> 02:51:45,500and where did the spaceship show up it

379602:51:43,340 --> 02:51:47,780showed up right over the Phoenix Airport

379702:51:45,500 --> 02:51:52,670the centroid of of these ancient

379802:51:47,780 --> 02:51:55,250cultures so it may have something to do

379902:51:52,670 --> 02:51:57,229with the fact where these cultures were

380002:51:55,250 --> 02:51:58,431upstate New York look where the culture

380102:51:57,229 --> 02:52:00,470is where they lived and where all the

380202:51:58,431 --> 02:52:02,420artifacts were and then and you looked

380302:52:00,470 --> 02:52:04,729about the Hudson Valley sightings damn

380402:52:02,420 --> 02:52:07,521right over this gigantic you know

380502:52:04,729 --> 02:52:08,479


ancient culture so I think there's a

380602:52:07,521 --> 02:52:11,391tie-in there

380702:52:08,479 --> 02:52:14,329I haven't investigated it but it really

380802:52:11,390 --> 02:52:17,149looks solid to me in places where you

380902:52:14,329 --> 02:52:19,340know there weren't those kind of

381002:52:17,149 --> 02:52:21,850concentrations you don't get a lot of

381102:52:19,340 --> 02:52:24,110reports so maybe maybe it's the Ohio

381202:52:21,851 --> 02:52:28,310connection to the Edina culture that's

381302:52:24,110 --> 02:52:30,530that's responsible point we deal a lot

381402:52:28,310 --> 02:52:32,629with cryptids here and the amount of

381502:52:30,530 --> 02:52:35,120cryptids that have been weird strange

381602:52:32,629 --> 02:52:38,209creatures that have shown up in that

381702:52:35,120 --> 02:52:44,090Triangle area from Mothman to the

381802:52:38,209 --> 02:52:45,949frogmen to Bigfoot - aliens - absolutely

381902:52:44,090 --> 02:52:48,470anything it just makes me scratch my


382002:52:45,950 --> 02:52:52,311hand Oh what is in the air or the water

382102:52:48,470 --> 02:52:55,399in that area because I I swear at least

382202:52:52,310 --> 02:52:57,500once - twice every two weeks I end up

382302:52:55,399 --> 02:53:01,670not even knowing where the people are

382402:52:57,500 --> 02:53:04,931from that I find out well of course your

382502:53:01,670 --> 02:53:04,931story is strange you're from Ohio

382602:53:06,590 --> 02:53:14,030it is absolutely insane how much weird

382702:53:11,450 --> 02:53:16,931and odd is happening in your state my

382802:53:14,030 --> 02:53:19,311friend you should get oh wow

382902:53:16,931 --> 02:53:21,890I'm originally from Detroit and I

383002:53:19,310 --> 02:53:24,800migrated here after I graduated in 75

383102:53:21,890 --> 02:53:27,020but you know keep in mind who where was

383202:53:24,800 --> 02:53:30,500the first person first human being to

383302:53:27,021 --> 02:53:32,989set foot on the moon you some Ohio of


383402:53:30,500 --> 02:53:37,670course of course

383502:53:32,989 --> 02:53:42,640everybody's from a big hill it continues

383602:53:37,670 --> 02:53:45,010the the saga continues no kidding no

383702:53:42,640 --> 02:53:47,569kidding

383802:53:45,010 --> 02:53:49,399let's talk about the whole field of

383902:53:47,569 --> 02:53:52,039ufology here for a second and

384002:53:49,399 --> 02:53:54,619researchers where do you think this

384102:53:52,040 --> 02:53:57,980needs to go do you think it all lands on

384202:53:54,620 --> 02:54:01,460the heels of John Podesta and Hillary

384302:53:57,979 --> 02:54:03,799Clinton talking about disclosure or do

384402:54:01,459 --> 02:54:05,539you think that we need to do a heck of a

384502:54:03,799 --> 02:54:07,969lot more research before we start

384602:54:05,540 --> 02:54:10,520whistleblowing on what we actually know

384702:54:07,969 --> 02:54:15,379about the field of ufology here in North

3848


02:54:10,520 --> 02:54:17,000America presidents do not have the need

384902:54:15,379 --> 02:54:18,709to know so even though they hold the

385002:54:17,000 --> 02:54:20,540highest clearance as possible and and

385102:54:18,709 --> 02:54:23,899and in fact they do not hold the highest

385202:54:20,540 --> 02:54:26,450clearance as possible Hillary Clinton's

385302:54:23,899 --> 02:54:30,049husband tried to do this Reagan tried to

385402:54:26,450 --> 02:54:32,000get it Carter tried to do it Ford try to

385502:54:30,049 --> 02:54:34,670do it Ford President Ford is the only

385602:54:32,000 --> 02:54:37,100person who was able to get a

385702:54:34,670 --> 02:54:40,430congressional hearing on UFOs when he

385802:54:37,100 --> 02:54:42,950was the representative of Michigan so

385902:54:40,430 --> 02:54:46,489that's not going to happen it's a false

386002:54:42,950 --> 02:54:49,430promise so it's going to be up to the

386102:54:46,489 --> 02:54:51,649UFO investigators and hopefully somebody

386202:54:49,430 --> 02:54:53,600


who wants to give a deathbed confession

386302:54:51,649 --> 02:54:55,699and we get so much information that way

386402:54:53,600 --> 02:54:58,059and I think it's valid they're gonna say

386502:54:55,700 --> 02:55:01,670you know I need to tell you this and

386602:54:58,059 --> 02:55:03,920look in the top drawer and and there

386702:55:01,670 --> 02:55:06,440will be a piece of proof you know rather

386802:55:03,920 --> 02:55:08,989than evidence the government is not

386902:55:06,440 --> 02:55:11,030going to tell us unless it suits their

387002:55:08,989 --> 02:55:12,289needs and I can't imagine what their

387102:55:11,030 --> 02:55:14,720need is because you know think about

387202:55:12,290 --> 02:55:16,520this you're the US Air Force and I love

387302:55:14,719 --> 02:55:18,139those guys to death I would do my entire

387402:55:16,520 --> 02:55:19,870career over again

387502:55:18,139 --> 02:55:22,459in a heartbeat I work with the best

387602:55:19,870 --> 02:55:24,740people on the planet the smartest the


387702:55:22,459 --> 02:55:26,779sharpest but they had a job that they

387802:55:24,739 --> 02:55:29,899couldn't do and I was to keep the skies

387902:55:26,780 --> 02:55:32,030safe from everybody including the aliens

388002:55:29,899 --> 02:55:34,879and they did a good job for everybody

388102:55:32,030 --> 02:55:36,530else but this is a phenomena that came

388202:55:34,879 --> 02:55:39,229and went like lightning you know never

388302:55:36,530 --> 02:55:41,840gave you any hint that they were going

388402:55:39,229 --> 02:55:44,719to show up and there's no defense or

388502:55:41,840 --> 02:55:47,360offense against it they can disable all

388602:55:44,719 --> 02:55:50,659of our systems and they do it it will so

388702:55:47,360 --> 02:55:52,489now you've got a job and the public does

388802:55:50,659 --> 02:55:54,829nothing but snippets your heels all day

388902:55:52,489 --> 02:55:56,719that press hates you you know and you

389002:55:54,829 --> 02:55:57,529have this tough job what are you going


389102:55:56,719 --> 02:55:58,760to do

389202:55:57,529 --> 02:55:59,930you're going to get rid of it you're

389302:55:58,760 --> 02:56:02,148going to deep-six it you're going to end

389402:55:59,930 --> 02:56:04,189your your research and you're going to

389502:56:02,148 --> 02:56:08,449just hope it never rears its ugly head

389602:56:04,189 --> 02:56:10,880again so there is absolutely no

389702:56:08,450 --> 02:56:14,630motivation whatsoever for any government

389802:56:10,879 --> 02:56:16,188agency to ever tell us anything they

389902:56:14,629 --> 02:56:18,079know about it that's going to send more

390002:56:16,189 --> 02:56:20,960light than the researchers have it's

390102:56:18,079 --> 02:56:22,969just not going to happen so it has to be

390202:56:20,959 --> 02:56:24,978through deathbed confessions or you know

390302:56:22,969 --> 02:56:27,738some disgruntled employee who got fired

390402:56:24,978 --> 02:56:30,289of who knows what or you know the the

3905


02:56:27,738 --> 02:56:32,988researchers like myself just stumbling

390602:56:30,290 --> 02:56:34,970upon something that goes oh my god look

390702:56:32,988 --> 02:56:37,609at this you know what do you think about

390802:56:34,969 --> 02:56:39,679this and then suddenly you know that

390902:56:37,609 --> 02:56:41,809evidence is pushing more towards proof

391002:56:39,680 --> 02:56:43,939like you know Gerald Anderson than those

391102:56:41,809 --> 02:56:46,850boys finding stuff on the plane to Santa

391202:56:43,939 --> 02:56:48,738Goosen getting a tested now maybe the

391302:56:46,850 --> 02:56:51,770people I interview are going to get

391402:56:48,738 --> 02:56:55,340their DNA tested and say wow look at

391502:56:51,770 --> 02:56:59,140this I think that's the way it's gonna

391602:56:55,340 --> 02:57:01,219have to go are you surprised

391702:56:59,139 --> 02:57:04,670sorry for cutting you off there but are

391802:57:01,219 --> 02:57:08,840you surprised that John Podesta has had

391902:57:04,670 --> 02:57:09,790


as much play as he has in regards to

392002:57:08,840 --> 02:57:13,010this topic

392102:57:09,790 --> 02:57:15,020because the telling tale for me on this

392202:57:13,010 --> 02:57:19,219and I'm an outsider here in Canada right

392302:57:15,020 --> 02:57:21,738is how the media has really dropped the

392402:57:19,219 --> 02:57:23,420ball on that whole subject you're

392502:57:21,738 --> 02:57:25,398talking about and I've said this many

392602:57:23,420 --> 02:57:27,829times on this show you're talking about

392702:57:25,398 --> 02:57:31,849the next biggest story to the second

392802:57:27,829 --> 02:57:34,309coming of Jesus Christ and the media in

392902:57:31,850 --> 02:57:37,130the mainstream doesn't even seem

393002:57:34,309 --> 02:57:39,978concerned they don't Eve I mean yes they

393102:57:37,129 --> 02:57:43,549went on it on about it back in May for

393202:57:39,978 --> 02:57:45,619about a week or two but in reality this

393302:57:43,549 --> 02:57:48,858is a topic that should be hammered home


393402:57:45,620 --> 02:57:54,050every night until there is answers and

393502:57:48,859 --> 02:57:56,120yet nothing well first of all I'm going

393602:57:54,049 --> 02:57:58,849to slam the mainstream media and the

393702:57:56,120 --> 02:58:01,010hate mail is kind of just flow they're

393802:57:58,850 --> 02:58:03,020ignorant and and I don't mean they're

393902:58:01,010 --> 02:58:04,909stupid I mean they're ignorant of the

394002:58:03,020 --> 02:58:07,790topic and I'll give you a great example

394102:58:04,909 --> 02:58:10,271that it's very relevant here and it's

394202:58:07,790 --> 02:58:12,431just symptomatic of what we see

394302:58:10,271 --> 02:58:13,811there was a video that came out that

394402:58:12,431 --> 02:58:16,569said oh there's this triangular shape

394502:58:13,810 --> 02:58:19,751thing over at an Air Force Base and was

394602:58:16,569 --> 02:58:21,610on this you know sketchy website and

394702:58:19,751 --> 02:58:22,989everyone said all they're just posting


394802:58:21,610 --> 02:58:26,101that they made it up and because people

394902:58:22,989 --> 02:58:28,810are you know getting rich off of it and

395002:58:26,101 --> 02:58:31,961what happened immediately the Dayton

395102:58:28,810 --> 02:58:35,050Daily News wrote an article by one of

395202:58:31,960 --> 02:58:37,510their top guys Jim Otte he's a big deal

395302:58:35,050 --> 02:58:39,430here with some other guy that I don't

395402:58:37,511 --> 02:58:40,841know and what they did is they got some

395502:58:39,431 --> 02:58:43,421guy who spent his entire day in the

395602:58:40,841 --> 02:58:46,720museum and surprisingly enough the Ohio

395702:58:43,421 --> 02:58:49,181MUFON director to quote and say it's

395802:58:46,720 --> 02:58:51,369nothing it's nothing well the two people

395902:58:49,181 --> 02:58:53,171they quoted I discovered didn't do any

396002:58:51,370 --> 02:58:56,561investigation it was surprised to me for

396102:58:53,171 --> 02:58:57,790a MUFON guy to go on record and say well

3962


02:58:56,560 --> 02:59:00,369this is this is crap

396302:58:57,790 --> 02:59:04,301and I find out that they didn't

396402:59:00,370 --> 02:59:05,320investigate it so I tried contacting the

396502:59:04,300 --> 02:59:08,409authors of the article well of course

396602:59:05,319 --> 02:59:11,319they won't contact me I contacted John

396702:59:08,409 --> 02:59:13,989Harrison of MUFON who wants the place he

396802:59:11,319 --> 02:59:16,390got Mark Dantonio to give me an

396902:59:13,989 --> 02:59:18,159explanation of what the word was going

397002:59:16,390 --> 02:59:21,220around MUFON and said well you know

397102:59:18,159 --> 02:59:23,501maybe our Ohio guy just got a whole you

397202:59:21,220 --> 02:59:24,729know our early assessment and didn't

397302:59:23,501 --> 02:59:27,220want to be bothered with it because it

397402:59:24,729 --> 02:59:28,689appeared to him to be a hoax well what

397502:59:27,220 --> 02:59:30,341they didn't know and what I didn't

397602:59:28,690 --> 02:59:34,870


reveal at the time that it was talking

397702:59:30,341 --> 02:59:38,381to MUFON is I saw this thing and I need

397802:59:34,870 --> 02:59:41,079a witness who saw this thing and I was

397902:59:38,380 --> 02:59:42,819at my son's condo and I said look at

398002:59:41,079 --> 02:59:44,079that and they went oh what is that night

398102:59:42,819 --> 02:59:46,270and it looked like a pair of oil but

398202:59:44,079 --> 02:59:48,069very heavy cloudy day but this thing was

398302:59:46,271 --> 02:59:49,391sitting right over wright-patterson I

398402:59:48,069 --> 02:59:51,431know because I was like a quarter-mile

398502:59:49,390 --> 02:59:53,710away and I've been working here for 40

398602:59:51,431 --> 02:59:55,870years and I was literally outside the

398702:59:53,710 --> 02:59:56,590gate at my son's condominium looking at

398802:59:55,870 --> 02:59:59,471this thing going

398902:59:56,591 --> 03:00:00,970oh well that's got to be an aerostat boy

399002:59:59,470 --> 03:00:03,279we launched things in a balloon and


399103:00:00,970 --> 03:00:05,140we've got it tied to a string and you

399203:00:03,280 --> 03:00:08,921know we've got cameras and sensors up

399303:00:05,140 --> 03:00:10,569there so I saw this thing you know I'm

399403:00:08,921 --> 03:00:12,341not saying it's the exact same thing but

399503:00:10,569 --> 03:00:14,529I saw what could have been the same

399603:00:12,341 --> 03:00:16,300thing and thinking well it's a research

399703:00:14,530 --> 03:00:19,181thing and it's a balloon you know to me

399803:00:16,300 --> 03:00:21,039was no big deal I didn't even know the

399903:00:19,181 --> 03:00:23,110story existed then BAM I find out about

400003:00:21,040 --> 03:00:24,040the story I find about you know the

400103:00:23,110 --> 03:00:27,760video

400203:00:24,040 --> 03:00:30,700but the media the media here in Dayton

400303:00:27,760 --> 03:00:33,040who pooted they got these appeal to

400403:00:30,700 --> 03:00:34,960Authority Talking Heads who didn't do an


400503:00:33,040 --> 03:00:38,440investigation and immediately try to

400603:00:34,959 --> 03:00:40,089close down so that is just symptomatic

400703:00:38,440 --> 03:00:42,040of what we find with all these other

400803:00:40,090 --> 03:00:43,540people because they don't know anything

400903:00:42,040 --> 03:00:45,700about the topic the boss says write a

401003:00:43,540 --> 03:00:48,070story they don't do any research they

401103:00:45,700 --> 03:00:51,521don't do any investigation and what are

401203:00:48,069 --> 03:00:53,649they told to do close it down and that's

401303:00:51,521 --> 03:00:55,390what you find and thank God for the

401403:00:53,649 --> 03:00:57,420Internet because we have everyone else

401503:00:55,389 --> 03:00:59,889out there like yourself doing these

401603:00:57,420 --> 03:01:02,290radio cast and you know who aren't

401703:00:59,889 --> 03:01:05,319really you know paid by CBS and NBC

401803:01:02,290 --> 03:01:09,040where we can get the real facts out and

4019


03:01:05,319 --> 03:01:10,840if you look at you know the local

402003:01:09,040 --> 03:01:13,090newspapers and national newspapers

402103:01:10,840 --> 03:01:16,960especially if you're somebody like me

402203:01:13,090 --> 03:01:20,860who saw the thing in the air you know

402303:01:16,959 --> 03:01:23,079that the stories are bullcrap so you

402403:01:20,860 --> 03:01:25,630know all I can say is it you know what I

402503:01:23,079 --> 03:01:28,000saw here locally is just symptomatic of

402603:01:25,629 --> 03:01:30,459what you see within the national news so

402703:01:28,000 --> 03:01:32,950we cannot depend upon them to tell us

402803:01:30,459 --> 03:01:36,639the truth throw down two Bs flag don't

402903:01:32,950 --> 03:01:39,790even read the stuff they publish that

403003:01:36,639 --> 03:01:42,340was powerful one quick comment and

403103:01:39,790 --> 03:01:44,110question here from Eric Markham in the

403203:01:42,340 --> 03:01:47,500spaced-out radio chat room on Spreaker

403303:01:44,110 --> 03:01:49,600


he is asking I wonder if the reason the

403403:01:47,500 --> 03:01:52,030mainstream media started talking or

403503:01:49,600 --> 03:01:54,430taking UFO news lately was because of

403603:01:52,030 --> 03:01:57,760the way they had the rug pulled out from

403703:01:54,430 --> 03:02:02,050under them like Roswell and the 52 DC

403803:01:57,760 --> 03:02:03,250flap what is your opinion on that you

403903:02:02,049 --> 03:02:09,969mean they're doing this in retribution

404003:02:03,250 --> 03:02:13,450yes no no no I don't think so

404103:02:09,969 --> 03:02:15,279you need publicity well I think any

404203:02:13,450 --> 03:02:17,079recent publicity you know there's still

404303:02:15,280 --> 03:02:20,050the giggle factor and they always

404403:02:17,079 --> 03:02:22,510preface it with you know this guy isn't

404503:02:20,049 --> 03:02:25,920crazy but he might be and then you know

404603:02:22,510 --> 03:02:28,079they talk about the video and and I

404703:02:25,920 --> 03:02:30,460still don't think they do it justice


404803:02:28,079 --> 03:02:32,379again I think they're ignorant of the

404903:02:30,459 --> 03:02:34,329topic I think they're still you know

405003:02:32,379 --> 03:02:36,329some forces at work here that want to

405103:02:34,329 --> 03:02:37,959squash it you know if you talk to

405203:02:36,329 --> 03:02:40,569Angelina Joyner

405303:02:37,959 --> 03:02:42,219who did all the Stevensville stuff they

405403:02:40,569 --> 03:02:44,260were selling newspapers they had the

405503:02:42,219 --> 03:02:46,090world descending on them and they get

405603:02:44,260 --> 03:02:47,590the publicity could have been better for

405703:02:46,090 --> 03:02:49,930her newspaper you know whatever editor

405803:02:47,590 --> 03:02:52,299told her after a visit from some guys in

405903:02:49,930 --> 03:02:53,440dark suits drop the story we're pushing

406003:02:52,299 --> 03:02:55,629you on to something else

406103:02:53,440 --> 03:02:57,940you know they got visitors from who


406203:02:55,629 --> 03:03:00,069knows where and and Joyner tells the

406303:02:57,940 --> 03:03:01,420world yeah my boss was told that we're

406403:03:00,069 --> 03:03:04,059shutting this story down and I shut it

406503:03:01,420 --> 03:03:06,819down so you know who knows what else is

406603:03:04,059 --> 03:03:09,609going on behind that curtain I don't but

406703:03:06,819 --> 03:03:10,899you know I can make a guess we got about

406803:03:09,610 --> 03:03:11,409three minutes with you laughter your

406903:03:10,899 --> 03:03:15,969boss

407003:03:11,409 --> 03:03:17,860what's up next for Ray Szymanski I am

407103:03:15,969 --> 03:03:20,379going to be running the air force

407203:03:17,860 --> 03:03:23,430marathon on the 17th the two prior days

407303:03:20,379 --> 03:03:23,429I am going to be

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