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In addition to his pioneering work in linguis-
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Given the unpopularity o Bush, the wars and
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whoever is elected, can a president make a di-
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get 10 million more votes than me, but I winthe big states and Im elected president. This
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Talk about the bailout o Fannie Mae and
Freddie Mac, the giant mortgage lenders, whichare called GSEs, government-sponsored enter-
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I hate to remind you, but youre turning eighty
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talks. Do you miss the road travel and mixing it
up with people?
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on the role o the President and its mournul
tone can be traced to the act that only months
beore Brogan had spent time with the dashing
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o the mind o the Catholic President and
the home decoration skills o his wie. His lovewas not solely or the rulers. Enamoured with
the US and its post-war vitality, Brogan was
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never unravel. I dont see a British Declaration
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iour o any particular administration. Old
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they can go it alone. So they see everything in
a bright New England winter sunshine when
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shade. We see things in the less distinct colours
o a Thames-valley October. Such nuance,
such autumnal shading and shadow, was evi-
dence Great Britain would never ollow in the
wake o a belligerent US administration.
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continued, but it is the attitude o some Ameri-
cans and i (Heaven orbid) it became or could
plausibly be made to seem to be the attitude o
any American administration, many partisans
o the present Anglo-American alliance would
reluctantly quote Sam Goldwyn and say:
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wyn was, o course, a movie producer in the 30s
who didnt last long enough to become an advi-
sor to Tony Blair.
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