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If God, Why Evil?
If God, Why Evil?
Virginia TechVirginia Tech
Copyright Norman L. Geisler 2010
A Former Atheist on Evil “My argument was that the universe seemed so cruel and unjust. But how had I got this idea of just and unjust. A man does not call a line crooked unless he has some idea of a straight line.... Of course I could have given up my idea of justice by saying it was nothing but a private idea of my own. But if I did that, then my argument against God collapsed too….” (MC, 45).
The Painful Logic1. We can’t know something is ultimately
in-just (not-just), unless we know what is
ultimately just.
The Painful Logic1. We can’t know something is ultimately
in-just (not-just), unless we know what is
ultimately just.2. But an ultimate standard of justice
implies there is a God, since--
The Painful Logic1. We can’t know something is ultimately in-just
(not-just), unless we know what is ultimately just.
2. But an ultimate standard of justice implies there is a God, since--– a. There cannot be a ultimate moral law, unless--– b. There is an Ultimate Moral Law Giver (=God).
The Painful Logic1. We can’t know something is ultimately in-just
(not-just), unless we know what is ultimately just.
2. But an ultimate standard of justice implies there is a God, since--
– a. There cannot be a ultimate moral law, unless--– b. There is an Ultimate Moral Law Giver (=God).
In brief, this argument against God turn out to be an argument for God.
The Problem for Theism
God is All-Good--and opposes evil.God is All-Knowing--and foreknew evil.God is All-Powerful--and can defeat evil.
Why then did He permit it?
Outline•I. The Nature of Evil•II. The Origin of Evil•III. The Persistence of Evil•IV. The Purpose of Evil
I. The Nature of EvilA. The Problem:
I. The Nature of EvilA. The Problem:
1. God created all things.
I. The Nature of EvilA. The Problem:
1. God created all things. 2. Evil is something.
I. The Nature of EvilA. The Problem:
1. God created all things. 2. Evil is something. 3. Therefore, God created evil.
I. The Nature of Evil
B. The Response: 1. Evil is not a thing. 2. Evil is a corruption of a good thing.
Evil is like rot to a treeEvil is like rot to a tree Evil is like rot to a treeEvil is like rot to a tree
Evil is like rust to a car
Evil is like moth holes in cloth
I. The Nature of Evil
A. The ProblemB. The Response:
1. God created only good things. 2. Evil is not a thing.
3. So, God did not create evil.
Outline
•I. The Nature of Evil•II. The Origin of Evil
II. The Origin of EvilThe Problem:A. God is absolutely perfect.B. God cannot create anything imperfect.C. And a perfect creature cannot do evil.D. Therefore, evil cannot arise in such a world.E. But evil did arise in this world. F. Hence, either A or B (or both) are false.
God is not perfect, and/or-- God did not create a perfect creature.
II. The Origin of Evil
The Response:A. God is absolutely perfect.B. God cannot created anything imperfect.
C. And a perfect creature cannot do evil. This premise is false.
Hence, the conclusion does not follow.
II. The Origin of EvilA. How a perfect creatures can do evil
1. God created only good things.2. One good thing God created was free will.3. Free will makes evil possible, since--
a. It is the power to do otherwise.b. But to do otherwise than good is evil.
4. Hence, a perfect free creature can do evil. Note: God made evil possible (via free will = good)
But free creatures made evil actual.
Problem 1: How can one will evil when there is no evil to
will?Response: Evil arose when:1. A good creature; 2. With the good power of free will;3. Willed the finite good of the creature;4. Over the infinite good of the Creator.Note: No evil need exist in order to will evil;
Willing a lesser good can be an evil.
Problem 2: Who Caused Lucifer to Sin?
Response: No one else caused him to do it; Lucifer was the cause of his own sin. A free act is a self-caused action. 1. It can’t be caused by another--or else
they would be responsible for it. 2. Nor can it be uncaused--since every
event has a cause. 3. Hence, it must be self-cause (i.e., caused
by my self).
Outline
•I. The Nature of Evil•II. The Origin of Evil•III. The Persistence of Evil
III. The Persistence of Evil
The Problem:A. If God is all good, He would defeat evil.
B. If God is all powerful, He could defeat evil.
C. But Evil is not defeated. D. Therefore, no such God exists.
III. The Persistence of Evil
The Response:A. If God is all good, He would defeat evil.
B. If God is all powerful, He could defeat evil. C. But Evil is not yet defeated. D. Therefore, no such God exists. Note: This conclusion does not follow, since-- Evil might yet be defeated in the future.
III. The Persistence of Evil
The New Problem:A. If God is all good, He would defeat evil.
B. If God is all powerful, He could defeat evil. C. But Evil never will be defeated. D. Therefore, no such God exists. Note: There is no way for the objector to know
this--unless he is God (I.e.,all-knowing).
III. The Persistence of Evil
The Response:A. If God is all good, He would defeat evil.
B. If God is all powerful, He could defeat evil. C. But Evil is not yet defeated. D. Therefore, evil will one day be defeated!
The nature of a theistic God guarantees it! He is all powerful and can do it. He is all good and wants to do it. Hence, He will do it.
Why Doesn’t God Intervene and Stop All
Evil?• I. Why God Can’t Destroy All Evil.
Because:
Why Doesn’t God Intervene and Stop All
Evil?• I. Why God Can’t Destroy All Evil.
Because:– A. He can’t destroy all evil without
destroying all freedom.
Why Doesn’t God Intervene and Stop All
Evil?• I. Why God Can’t Destroy All Evil.
Because:– A. He can’t destroy all evil without
destroying all freedom.• 1. But freedom is a good that God has willed.
Why Doesn’t God Intervene and Stop All
Evil?• I. Why God Can’t Destroy All Evil.
Because:– A. He can’t destroy all evil without
destroying all freedom.• 1. But freedom is a good that God has willed.• 2. Hence, God can’t destroy all evil without
destroying the good He has willed.
Why Doesn’t God Intervene and Stop All
Evil?• I. Why God Can’t Destroy All Evil.
Because:– A. He can’t destroy all evil without destroying
all freedom.• 1. But freedom is a good that God has willed.• 2. Hence, God can’t destroy all evil without
destroying the good He has willed.
– B. This would also destroy all good.
Why Doesn’t God Intervene and Stop All
Evil?• I. Why God Can’t Destroy All Evil. Because:
– A. He can’t destroy all evil without destroying all freedom.
• 1. But freedom is a good that God has willed.• 2. Hence, God can’t destroy all evil without
destroying the good He has willed.
– B. This would also destroy all good. • 1. Destroying the ability to hate God also destroys
the ability to love God.
Why Doesn’t God Intervene and Stop All
Evil?• I. Why God Can’t Destroy All Evil. Because:
– A. He can’t destroy all evil without destroying all freedom.
• 1. But freedom is a good that God has willed.• 2. Hence, God can’t destroy all evil without
destroying the good He has willed.
– B. This would also destroy all good. • 1. Destroying the ability to hate God also destroys
the ability to love God.• 2. Destroying the ability to hate also destroys the
ability to love.
Why Doesn’t God Intervene and Stop All
Evil?• I. Why God Can’t Destroy All Evil
Why Doesn’t God Intervene and Stop All
Evil?• I. Why God Can’t Destroy All Evil• II. Why God Can Defeat All Evil.
Because:
Why Doesn’t God Intervene and Stop All
Evil?• I. Why God Can’t Destroy All Evil• II. Why God Can Defeat All Evil. Because:
– A. He allows everyone to freely choose their destiny (So freedom is
preserved).– B. He defeats evil by:
• 1. Separating good from evil forever (Mt. 25:31-41).
Why Doesn’t God Intervene and Stop All
Evil?• I. Why God Can’t Destroy All Evil• II. Why God Can Defeat All Evil. Because:
– A. He allows everyone to freely choose their destiny (So freedom is preserved).
– B. He defeats evil by:• 1. Separating good from evil forever (Mt. 25:31-41).• 2. By quarantining evil forever (in Hell).
Why Doesn’t God Intervene and Stop All
Evil?• I. Why God Can’t Destroy All Evil• II. Why God Can Defeat All Evil. Because:
– A. He allows everyone to freely choose their destiny (So freedom is preserved).
– B. He defeats evil by:• 1. Separating good from evil forever (Mt. 25:31-41).• 2. By quarantining evil forever (in Hell).• 3. By Punishing evil (in Hell) and rewarding good (in
Heaven).
Why Doesn’t God Intervene and Stop All
Evil?• I. Why God Can’t Destroy All Evil• II. Why God Can Defeat All Evil. Because:
– A. He allows everyone to freely choose their destiny (So freedom is preserved).
– B. He defeats evil by:• 1. Separating good from evil forever (Mt. 25:31-41).• 2. By quarantining evil forever (in Hell).• 3. By Punishing evil and rewarding good (in Heaven).• 4. By defeating death and Satan:
Why Doesn’t God Intervene and Stop All
Evil?• I. Why God Can’t Destroy All Evil• II. Why God Can Defeat All Evil. Because:
– A. He allows everyone to freely choose their destiny (So freedom is preserved).
– B. He defeats evil by:• 1. Separating good from evil forever (Mt. 25:31-41).• 2. By quarantining evil forever (in Hell).• 3. By Punishing evil and rewarding good (in Heaven).• 4. By defeating death and Satan:
– a. Officially at Christ’s First Coming (Col. 2:14-15)
Why Doesn’t God Intervene and Stop All
Evil?• I. Why God Can’t Destroy All Evil• II. Why God Can Defeat All Evil. Because:
– A. He allows everyone to freely choose their destiny (So freedom is preserved).
– B. He defeats evil by:• 1. Separating good from evil forever (Mt. 25:31-41).• 2. By quarantining evil forever (in Hell).• 3. By Punishing evil and rewarding good (in Heaven).• 4. By defeating death and Satan:
– a. Officially at Christ’s First Coming (Col. 2:14-15)– b. Actually at Christ’s Second Coming (Rev. 19-22)
The Official Defeat of Evil
The Official Defeat of Evil
• Col. 2:14-15--”Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross; And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.”
• Heb. 2:14-15--”Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil; And deliver them who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage.”
The Actual Defeat of Evil
• Rev. 19:11--”And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteous- ness he does judge and make war…. And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean. And out of his mouth goes a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treads the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.”
• Rev. 21:1-4--
The Actual Defeat of Evil
• Rev. 21:1-4--And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea…. And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.”
The Actual Defeat of Evil
“I never said it would be easy….I only said it would be worth it.”
Outline•I. The Nature of Evil•II. The Origin of Evil•III. The Persistence of Evil•IV. The Purpose of Evil
IV. The Purpose of Evil
The Problem:A. An all-good God must have a good purpose
for everything.B. But there is no good purpose for some
suffering (e.g., useless or innocent suffering)
C. Hence, there cannot be an all-good God. Note: There is either a finite god or no God.
IV. The Purpose of Evil
Response:1) Just because we don’t know a good
purpose for evil does not mean there is none.
IV. The Purpose of Evil
Response:1) Just because we don’t know a good purpose
for evil does not mean there is none. 2) An all-good, all-knowing God knows a good
purpose for everything (including evil). a. Some evil seems to us to have no good
purpose..
IV. The Purpose of EvilResponse:
1) Just because we don’t know a good purpose for evil does not mean there is none.
2) An all-good, all-knowing God knows a good purpose for everything (including evil). a. Some evil seems to us to have no good
purpose. b. But an all-good God has a good purpose
for everything.
IV. The Purpose of EvilResponse:
1) Just because we don’t know a good purpose for evil does not mean there is none.
2) An all-good, all-knowing God knows a good purpose for everything (including evil). a. Some evil seems to us to have no good purpose. b. But an all-good God has a good purpose for
everything. c. So, even evil that seems to us to have no good
purpose, does have a good purpose.
Why We Don’t Know a Good Purpose for All Evil
• 1) We do not know all things.• 2) We do not know the end of all things.• 3) But an all-knowing God knows both, so--• “The secret things belong to the Lord our God, but
to us and to our children the things that are revealed” (Deut. 29:29).
• “His ways are unsearchable and His judgments past finding out” (Rom. 11:33).
Paul Harvey: “The Rest of the Story”
• “I do not believe that the Divine Architect of the universe ever builds a staircase that leads to nowhere”(A young man dying of cancer)
What We Do Know About Suffering
1. Some pain has a good purpose (e.g., warning pains).
What We Do Know About Suffering
1. Some pain has a good purpose (e.g., warning pains).
– A tooth ache
What We Do Know About Suffering
1. Some pain has a good purpose (e.g., warning pains).
– A tooth ache– A pain in the chest
What We Do Know About Suffering
1. Some pain has a good purpose (e.g., warning pains).
– A tooth ache– A pain in the chest– A pain in the lower right side
What We Do Know About Suffering
1. Some pain has a good purpose (e.g., warning pains).
– A tooth ache– A pain in the chest– A pain in the lower right side
2. We learn more through pain than pleasure:
What We Do Know About Suffering
1. Some pain has a good purpose (e.g., warning pains).
– A tooth ache– A pain in the chest– A pain in the lower right side
2. We learn more through pain than pleasure:– Few enduring lessons are learned through pleasure
What We Do Know About Suffering
1. Some pain has a good purpose (e.g., warning pains).
– A tooth ache– A pain in the chest– A pain in the lower right side
2. We learn more through pain than pleasure:– Few enduring lessons are learned through pleasure.– Most enduring lessons are learned through pain.
Pain is God’s Megaphone
“God whispers to us in our pleasures, speaks in our conscience, but shouts in our pains: it is His megaphone to rouse a deaf world” (C.S. Lewis, The Problem of Pain, 81).
What God Does Through Allowing Suffering
• “You intended to harm me, but God intended it for good to accomplish what is now being done, the saving of many lives” (Gen. 50:20)
• “No discipline seems pleasant at the time, but painful. Later on, however, it produces a harvest of righteousness...” (Heb. 21:11).
• “For our light and momentary troubles are achieving for us an eternal glory that far outweighs them all” (2Cor. 4:17).
What God Will Do Through Suffering
• However,– An all-knowing God knows the end of all
things.
What God Will Do Through Suffering
• However,– An all-knowing God knows the end of all
things.– An all-good God wants to bring all things
to a good end.
What God Will Do Through Suffering
• However,– An all-knowing God knows the end of all
things.– An all-good God wants to bring all things
to a good end. – An all-powerful God can bring all things to
a good end.
What God Will Do Through Suffering
• However,– An all-knowing God knows the end of all
things.– An all-good God wants to bring all things to a
good end. – An all-powerful God can bring all things to a
good end.– Therefore, all things (including suffering) will
come to a good end.
What God Will Do Through Suffering
• However,– An all-knowing God knows the end of all things.– An all-good God wants to bring all things to a
good end. – An all-powerful God can bring all things to a good
end.– Therefore, all things (including suffering) will come
to a good end.– Note: Only a theistic God guarantees a good end.
A Former Atheist on Evil “My argument was that the universe seemed so cruel and unjust. But how had I got this idea of just and unjust. A man does not call a line crooked unless he has some idea of a straight line.... Of course I could have given up my idea of justice by saying it was nothing but a private idea of my own. But if I did that, then my argument against God collapsed too….” (MC, 45).
The Painful Logic1. We can’t know something is ultimately
in-just (not-just), unless we know what is
ultimately just.
The Painful Logic1. We can’t know something is ultimately
in-just (not-just), unless we know what is
ultimately just.2. But an ultimate standard of justice
implies there is a God, since--
The Painful Logic1. We can’t know something is ultimately in-just
(not-just), unless we know what is ultimately just.
2. But an ultimate standard of justice implies there is a God, since--– a. There cannot be a ultimate moral law, unless--– b. There is an Ultimate Moral Law Giver (=God).
The Best Way to the Best World
This is not the best world possible (cf. Candide).But it may be the best way to the best world,
since:1) Evil has to be permitted to be defeated.3) Permitting evil is necessary to producing
higher goods. – a) No courage without danger.– b) No patience without tribulation.
The Best Way to the Best World
This is not the best world possible (cf. Candide).But it may be the best way to the best world, since:1) Evil has to be permitted to be defeated.3) Permitting evil is necessary to producing
higher goods. – a) No courage without danger.– b) No patience without tribulation.– c) No character without adversity.– d) No pain, no gain..
The Best Way to the Best World
This is not the best world possible (cf. Candide).But it may be the best way to the best world, since:1) Evil has to be permitted to be defeated.3) Permitting evil is necessary to producing higher
goods. – a) No courage without danger.– b) No patience without tribulation.– c) No character without adversity.– d) No pain, no gain.– e) No forgiveness without sin.
The Best Way to the Best World
1) This is not the best world possible (cf. Candide).
2) And God is the Best Being possible.3) Now the best Being possible must accomplish
the best end possible.4) But this world is best way to the best world.5) Therefore, making this world was the best
way to achieve the best world possible.
Thy Will be Done!• Jesus said, “O Jerusalem, Jerusalem,…how often I
have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were not willing” (Mt. 23:37).
• C.S. Lewis said, “There are only two kinds of people in the end: those who say to God, `Thy will be done,’ and those to whom God says, in the end. `Thy will be done.’ All that are in Hell, chose it. Without that self-choice there could be no Hell.”
Satan Said:“Better to reign in Hell than serve in Heaven” (in Milton’s Paradise Lost)
Satan Said:“Better to reign in Hell than serve in Heaven” (in Milton’s Paradise Lost)
God Said:
Satan Said:“Better to reign in Hell than serve in Heaven” (in Milton’s Paradise Lost)
God Said:
You’ve got it!
The End
If God, Why Evil?