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IGETC:IGETC: The New The New

Standards and Standards and BeyondBeyond

2008 CACCRAO Evaluators 2008 CACCRAO Evaluators WorkshopWorkshop

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IGETC Standards ReviewIGETC Standards Review

Three main goals:Three main goals:• Maintain the Academic Standards of Maintain the Academic Standards of

IGETC (10.0)IGETC (10.0)• Help students who have met those Help students who have met those

standards get counseled and standards get counseled and certified as efficiently as possible certified as efficiently as possible

• Eliminate procedural barriers in Eliminate procedural barriers in order to increase and streamline order to increase and streamline certificationcertification

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IGETC WebsiteIGETC Website

• The official IGETC website can be The official IGETC website can be found at found at www.cacctcw.org/igetc.htmwww.cacctcw.org/igetc.htm..

• It contains the following information:It contains the following information: IGETC Standards, Policies and IGETC Standards, Policies and

ProceduresProcedures PowerPoint presentationsPowerPoint presentations Q & AQ & A

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General Q&AGeneral Q&A

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Q: IGETC FORMQ: IGETC FORM

The CCCs have been asked to use the The CCCs have been asked to use the recommended IGETC form. The recommended IGETC form. The UC/CSU campuses expressed that it’s UC/CSU campuses expressed that it’s not enough to see “IGETC completed” not enough to see “IGETC completed” or “Partial IGETC” on a transcript or “Partial IGETC” on a transcript because they don’t know what's been because they don’t know what's been used for IGETC purposes.  Are CCCs used for IGETC purposes.  Are CCCs required to complete the recommended required to complete the recommended form or any other IGETC form? form or any other IGETC form?

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A: IGETC FORMA: IGETC FORM

The CCCs are required to provide the The CCCs are required to provide the information stated on the form by:information stated on the form by:

A) Using the suggested form (Section A) Using the suggested form (Section 11.5), 11.5), oror

B) Including all of the information on B) Including all of the information on their own form or transcript.their own form or transcript.

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Q: Non-CCC CoursesQ: Non-CCC Courses

Since California Community Colleges Since California Community Colleges may apply out-of-state and non-CCC may apply out-of-state and non-CCC courses to the IGETC if the course(s) courses to the IGETC if the course(s) meets the Standards, where do we meets the Standards, where do we

get the out-of-state/non-CCC get the out-of-state/non-CCC university course outlines/syllabi if university course outlines/syllabi if

needed? needed?

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It is the responsibility of the It is the responsibility of the student to provide the course student to provide the course outline/syllabus if he or she outline/syllabus if he or she would like a non-CCC course to would like a non-CCC course to be considered for IGETC be considered for IGETC applicability. applicability.

A: Non-CCC CoursesA: Non-CCC Courses

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In section 5.2.1, #2 states that if the In section 5.2.1, #2 states that if the certifying CCC does not have a comparable certifying CCC does not have a comparable course, but another CCC does, the course course, but another CCC does, the course may be applied to the IGETC “as long as the may be applied to the IGETC “as long as the course outlines are compared and course outlines are compared and scrutinized as to equivalency in content, scrutinized as to equivalency in content, prerequisites, texts, units and conformity to prerequisites, texts, units and conformity to IGETC standards.”    IGETC standards.”    

Who is expected to provide an outline to the Who is expected to provide an outline to the faculty member to approve these courses? faculty member to approve these courses? Or, will a course description and a syllabus Or, will a course description and a syllabus from the student suffice? from the student suffice? 

Q: Course OutlinesQ: Course Outlines

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A: Course OutlinesA: Course Outlines• Faculty involvement is not necessary if the course Faculty involvement is not necessary if the course

description from the non-CCC course matches the description from the non-CCC course matches the course description from another CCC. In this course description from another CCC. In this case, the course can be applied to the appropriate case, the course can be applied to the appropriate IGETC area.  IGETC area. 

• If it is not clear, the student will need to provide a If it is not clear, the student will need to provide a course outline or syllabus and the appropriate course outline or syllabus and the appropriate faculty or their designee will then determine if faculty or their designee will then determine if the course is applicable to IGETC. the course is applicable to IGETC.

• CCC campuses have different models regarding CCC campuses have different models regarding review of non-CCC courses. It is understood that each review of non-CCC courses. It is understood that each individual community college creates practices that individual community college creates practices that best serve their campus. It is important that the CCC best serve their campus. It is important that the CCC practice adheres to the intent of the Standards. practice adheres to the intent of the Standards.

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For partial IGETC certification can For partial IGETC certification can any two courses be missing, any two courses be missing, including Area 1 and Area 2?  including Area 1 and Area 2? 

Q: Partial IGETCQ: Partial IGETC

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Bottom line: The Standards do not limit any Bottom line: The Standards do not limit any areas that may be missing for partial areas that may be missing for partial certification. certification. • Example 1: A transfer student could have been Example 1: A transfer student could have been

eligible out of high school, therefore it is eligible out of high school, therefore it is possible that a student could be admitted possible that a student could be admitted missing courses in Areas 1 and/or 2, depending missing courses in Areas 1 and/or 2, depending on the criteria used by the receiving institution. on the criteria used by the receiving institution.

• Example 2: A UC-bound student who has Example 2: A UC-bound student who has completed 2 composition courses at a non-CCC. completed 2 composition courses at a non-CCC. This student would be admissible; however, This student would be admissible; however, they would be missing Area 1B (Composition they would be missing Area 1B (Composition and Critical Thinking).and Critical Thinking).

The students in these examples must be granted The students in these examples must be granted partial certification. partial certification.

A: Partial IGETCA: Partial IGETC

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Section 5.2.1 states that non-CCC Section 5.2.1 states that non-CCC courses may be used for IGETC, even courses may be used for IGETC, even if they were completed prior to the if they were completed prior to the CCC course’s IGETC effective date.  CCC course’s IGETC effective date. 

If a course is discontinued on IGETC, If a course is discontinued on IGETC, could a non-CCC course completed could a non-CCC course completed after the discontinued date be used?after the discontinued date be used?

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• There was unanimous agreement by the There was unanimous agreement by the IGETC committee that the content of the IGETC committee that the content of the course should be considered rather than the course should be considered rather than the date of acceptance.  date of acceptance. 

• Courses are removed for a variety of reasons Courses are removed for a variety of reasons and generally at the discretion of the CCC.  As and generally at the discretion of the CCC.  As long as the course content is a match to a long as the course content is a match to a once-approved IGETC course, it may be used. once-approved IGETC course, it may be used. 

• As a reminder, all CCC courses and their approval As a reminder, all CCC courses and their approval dates must be applied to IGETC as indicated on dates must be applied to IGETC as indicated on the official IGETC agreements posted on ASSISTthe official IGETC agreements posted on ASSIST

A: Non-CCC CoursesA: Non-CCC Courses

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A student receives partial certification A student receives partial certification and then matriculates to a UC or CSU and then matriculates to a UC or CSU campus, but was eligible for full campus, but was eligible for full certification prior to matriculation at certification prior to matriculation at the university, should the student the university, should the student return to the CCC campus for full return to the CCC campus for full certification?certification?

Q: UC/CSU Students Q: UC/CSU Students Returning to CCCReturning to CCC

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A: UC/CSU Students Returning A: UC/CSU Students Returning to CCCto CCC

Yes, if a student is partially certified, matriculates to a UC or Yes, if a student is partially certified, matriculates to a UC or CSU, but was, in actuality, fully certified prior to CSU, but was, in actuality, fully certified prior to matriculation, then the CCC is responsible for fully certifying matriculation, then the CCC is responsible for fully certifying the student. the student.

• Example A: Student transfers to a UC campus with partial Example A: Student transfers to a UC campus with partial IGETC certification, missing Area 6: LOTE. At the UC IGETC certification, missing Area 6: LOTE. At the UC campus, the student’s counselor notices that this campus, the student’s counselor notices that this requirement was completed in high school. The student requirement was completed in high school. The student should return to the CCC for full certification and the CCC is should return to the CCC for full certification and the CCC is obligated to fully certify. obligated to fully certify.

• Example B: A student requests IGETC certification in spring Example B: A student requests IGETC certification in spring semester prior to fall transfer to a UC campus. The CCC semester prior to fall transfer to a UC campus. The CCC campus partially certifies the student missing one course in campus partially certifies the student missing one course in Area 3B. During the summer session, prior to fall transfer, Area 3B. During the summer session, prior to fall transfer, the student completes a course that satisfies Area 3B. As a the student completes a course that satisfies Area 3B. As a result, the CCC campus must fully IGETC certify the student. result, the CCC campus must fully IGETC certify the student.

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Q: UC/CSU Students Q: UC/CSU Students Returning to CCCReturning to CCC

A student gets partially certified then A student gets partially certified then matriculates to the UC or CSU. matriculates to the UC or CSU. They complete the coursework the They complete the coursework the following summer at the community following summer at the community college. Who is responsible for college. Who is responsible for certifying completion of IGETC?certifying completion of IGETC?

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A: UC/CSU Students A: UC/CSU Students Returning to CCCReturning to CCC

When a student requests full When a student requests full certification from the CCC after certification from the CCC after matriculating to the UC or CSU, it is matriculating to the UC or CSU, it is not the CCC’s responsibility to not the CCC’s responsibility to certify the completion of IGETC. It certify the completion of IGETC. It the university’s responsibility to the university’s responsibility to clear full certification.clear full certification.

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A UC/CSU campus awards a student AP A UC/CSU campus awards a student AP credit and subsequently allows the credit and subsequently allows the student to enroll in the comparable student to enroll in the comparable course. The student then comes to a course. The student then comes to a CCC campus and follows IGETC.CCC campus and follows IGETC.

Can both the AP exam and the Can both the AP exam and the comparable course be used toward comparable course be used toward satisfaction of IGETC requirements?satisfaction of IGETC requirements?

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For IGETC purposes, this would be For IGETC purposes, this would be considered duplication of coursework.considered duplication of coursework. Example: UC Davis awards AP Psychology Example: UC Davis awards AP Psychology

units but only grants course credit with a units but only grants course credit with a score of 4 or 5. A student with a score of 3 is score of 4 or 5. A student with a score of 3 is allowed to enroll in Psych 1, a general allowed to enroll in Psych 1, a general psychology course. This student then enrolls psychology course. This student then enrolls at a CCC campus and follows IGETC because at a CCC campus and follows IGETC because he/she is not returning to UC Davis.he/she is not returning to UC Davis.

The student can apply either the AP The student can apply either the AP Psychology exam Psychology exam or or the psychology course to the psychology course to IGETC Area 4, not both.IGETC Area 4, not both.

A: AP and Comparable A: AP and Comparable CoursesCourses

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Q: LOTE and Partial Q: LOTE and Partial CertificationCertification

When calculating the two When calculating the two courses allowed to be missing courses allowed to be missing for partial certification, does for partial certification, does Area 6A count as one course or Area 6A count as one course or two?two?

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A: LOTE and Partial A: LOTE and Partial CertificationCertification

UC considers LOTE a proficiency UC considers LOTE a proficiency level and it therefore counts as level and it therefore counts as oneone missing area rather than two missing area rather than two courses. A partial certification courses. A partial certification could be deficient in Area 6A and could be deficient in Area 6A and an additional course. an additional course.

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Area 6: LOTE: Can a faculty member Area 6: LOTE: Can a faculty member from a college or university outside of from a college or university outside of the CCC system validate language the CCC system validate language proficiency?  Would a letter on CSU or proficiency?  Would a letter on CSU or UC letterhead, or some other UC letterhead, or some other accredited college or university, accredited college or university, validating proficiency equal to 2 years validating proficiency equal to 2 years of high school be acceptable?of high school be acceptable?

Q: LOTEQ: LOTE

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A: LOTEA: LOTE

A CCC, CSU or UC faculty member may A CCC, CSU or UC faculty member may verify proficiency for satisfaction of Area verify proficiency for satisfaction of Area 6: LOTE.  A letter on letterhead from a 6: LOTE.  A letter on letterhead from a CCC, CSU or UC faculty member verifying CCC, CSU or UC faculty member verifying that they have confirmed proficiency that they have confirmed proficiency equivalent to 2 years of high school equivalent to 2 years of high school foreign language must be acquired.  The foreign language must be acquired.  The certifying CCC campus does not need to certifying CCC campus does not need to send documentation verifying proficiency send documentation verifying proficiency to the receiving institution.  However, the to the receiving institution.  However, the CCC campus should keep the letter on file CCC campus should keep the letter on file for reference.for reference.

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When placing courses on IGETC When placing courses on IGETC (student is not returning to the (student is not returning to the same UC campus), does the CCC same UC campus), does the CCC need to find a comparable course need to find a comparable course if the UC course met a GE/breadth if the UC course met a GE/breadth requirement at the campus where requirement at the campus where it was taken?it was taken?

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If a UC GE/breadth course satisfies a breadth area that If a UC GE/breadth course satisfies a breadth area that has a comparable IGETC Area, there does not need to has a comparable IGETC Area, there does not need to be a comparable CCC course. However, courses that be a comparable CCC course. However, courses that satisfy English composition or quantitative reasoning satisfy English composition or quantitative reasoning should be scrutinized.should be scrutinized.• Example 1:Example 1: UC Irvine’s Women's Studies 60A meets a UCI UC Irvine’s Women's Studies 60A meets a UCI

breadthbreadthrequirement in Social and Behavioral Sciences. It could be used requirement in Social and Behavioral Sciences. It could be used toward satisfaction of IGETC Area 4, even if the CCC does not toward satisfaction of IGETC Area 4, even if the CCC does not offer a comparable course. It would not be necessary to check offer a comparable course. It would not be necessary to check if another CCC offered a similar course.if another CCC offered a similar course.

• Example 2:Example 2: UC Irvine’s ASIANAM 142 course meets the UC Irvine’s ASIANAM 142 course meets the campus’s Multicultural Studies and International/Global Issues campus’s Multicultural Studies and International/Global Issues breadth requirement. There is no comparable IGETC area and breadth requirement. There is no comparable IGETC area and no comparable CCC course. Therefore, this course could no comparable CCC course. Therefore, this course could notnot be be used on IGETC even though it meets a UC breadth used on IGETC even though it meets a UC breadth requirement.requirement.

• Example 3:Example 3: Student takes Philosophy 30, Logic at UCI. The Student takes Philosophy 30, Logic at UCI. The course meets the quantitative reasoning GE requirement at course meets the quantitative reasoning GE requirement at UCI. This course could not be used on IGETC. UCI. This course could not be used on IGETC.

A: IGETC Courses From UC A: IGETC Courses From UC CampusesCampuses

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Q: Critical Thinking Course Q: Critical Thinking Course from A CSUfrom A CSU

Can a CSU course meet IGETC Area Can a CSU course meet IGETC Area 1B?  1B? 

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A: Critical Thinking Course A: Critical Thinking Course from A CSUfrom A CSU

Yes.  However, as stated in IGETC Standards Section 10.1.2b, Yes.  However, as stated in IGETC Standards Section 10.1.2b, since it is unlikely that institutions other than since it is unlikely that institutions other than California Community Colleges will have a combined course in California Community Colleges will have a combined course in Critical Thinking/English Composition, certification of Critical Thinking/English Composition, certification of coursework from other institutions to satisfy this requirement is coursework from other institutions to satisfy this requirement is not common. However, there are some courses outside the CCC not common. However, there are some courses outside the CCC system that have been found to meet this requirement. Care system that have been found to meet this requirement. Care should be taken when evaluating the course to ensure that it should be taken when evaluating the course to ensure that it meets the course requirementsmeets the course requirements

• Example 1:  SDSU RWS 200 Rhetoric of Written Arguments in Example 1:  SDSU RWS 200 Rhetoric of Written Arguments in Context, can be used to clear IGETC 1B since it clears the Context, can be used to clear IGETC 1B since it clears the intermediate composition and critical thinking requirement at intermediate composition and critical thinking requirement at SDSU and it is a combination composition/critical thinking SDSU and it is a combination composition/critical thinking course as outlined in Section 10.1.2b of The IGETC Standards. course as outlined in Section 10.1.2b of The IGETC Standards.

• Example 2: CSUN CHS 202, Race, Racism and Critical Thinking Example 2: CSUN CHS 202, Race, Racism and Critical Thinking does not clear IGETC 1B.  While it meets the critical thinking does not clear IGETC 1B.  While it meets the critical thinking requirement at CSUN it does not meet the analytical reading requirement at CSUN it does not meet the analytical reading and expository writing requirement for CSUN.  In other words and expository writing requirement for CSUN.  In other words it is not, a “combined course in Critical Thinking/English it is not, a “combined course in Critical Thinking/English Composition” which is required per the IGETC Standards.Composition” which is required per the IGETC Standards.

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Q: Minimum Unit ValueQ: Minimum Unit Value

What is the minimum unit value a What is the minimum unit value a course must have to apply it to course must have to apply it to IGETC? What about 1-unit-lab IGETC? What about 1-unit-lab courses that correspond to a lecture courses that correspond to a lecture course?course?

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A: Minimum Unit ValueA: Minimum Unit Value• Section 8.1 clearly states that a course used on Section 8.1 clearly states that a course used on

IGETC must be a minimum 3 semester or 4 IGETC must be a minimum 3 semester or 4 quarter units. Exceptions are made for quarter units. Exceptions are made for laboratory courses that correspond to a lecture laboratory courses that correspond to a lecture course.course.

• 8.1 Minimum Unit Value8.1 Minimum Unit Value• A course must have a minimum unit value of 3 A course must have a minimum unit value of 3

semester or 4 quarter units to meet the semester or 4 quarter units to meet the requirements for IGETCrequirements for IGETC. (Laboratory courses . (Laboratory courses intended to accompany lecture courses are an intended to accompany lecture courses are an exception to this guideline, see Section 10.5.3). exception to this guideline, see Section 10.5.3). It is not acceptable to take three 1- unit courses It is not acceptable to take three 1- unit courses to fulfill a 3-unit requirement, because as a rule to fulfill a 3-unit requirement, because as a rule three 1-unit courses will not together provide three 1-unit courses will not together provide the depth or rigor of a single 3-unit course.the depth or rigor of a single 3-unit course.

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A: Minimum Unit ValueA: Minimum Unit ValueFor example, a student takes a 3-quarter-unit physical science lecture For example, a student takes a 3-quarter-unit physical science lecture

course, but does not take the corresponding lab. The lecture course, but does not take the corresponding lab. The lecture course can not be used on IGETC because it does not meet the course can not be used on IGETC because it does not meet the minimum 4-quarter-unit course requirement. However, if the minimum 4-quarter-unit course requirement. However, if the student took the 3-quarter-unit physical science lecture course and student took the 3-quarter-unit physical science lecture course and the 1-quarter-unit corresponding physical science lab course, the the 1-quarter-unit corresponding physical science lab course, the combination could then be used on IGETC.combination could then be used on IGETC.

• Example:Example:1 physical science lecture: 3 quarter units1 physical science lecture: 3 quarter units1 physical science lab that corresponds to the physical science 1 physical science lab that corresponds to the physical science lecture: 1 quarter unitlecture: 1 quarter unit1 biological science: 3 semester units1 biological science: 3 semester units1 physical science: 4 quarter units1 physical science: 4 quarter units

• ConclusionConclusion: : Total units completed 12.5 quarter units/ 8.3 Total units completed 12.5 quarter units/ 8.3 semester* units. Area 5 satisfied. semester* units. Area 5 satisfied.

* Remember! Convert to all quarter or all semester units to best serve * Remember! Convert to all quarter or all semester units to best serve the student (see Section 8.2)the student (see Section 8.2)

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Q: University of Oregon Q: University of Oregon CoursesCourses

For example, a student takes a 3-quarter-For example, a student takes a 3-quarter-unit physical science lecture course, but unit physical science lecture course, but does not take the corresponding lab. The does not take the corresponding lab. The lecture course can not be used on IGETC lecture course can not be used on IGETC because it does not meet the minimum 4-because it does not meet the minimum 4-quarter-unit course requirement. quarter-unit course requirement. However, if the student took the 3-quarter-However, if the student took the 3-quarter-unit physical science lecture course and unit physical science lecture course and the 1-quarter-unit corresponding physical the 1-quarter-unit corresponding physical science lab course, the combination could science lab course, the combination could then be used on IGETC.then be used on IGETC.

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A: University of Oregon A: University of Oregon CoursesCourses

No. The Standards are clear in Section 8.1 No. The Standards are clear in Section 8.1 that each course used on IGETC must be 3 that each course used on IGETC must be 3 semester or 4 quarter units. However, the semester or 4 quarter units. However, the UC and the CSU will use these two 3-UC and the CSU will use these two 3-quarter-unit courses to clear first semester quarter-unit courses to clear first semester composition for admission purposes, and composition for admission purposes, and most CSU campuses will accept one 3-most CSU campuses will accept one 3-quarter-unit composition course for quarter-unit composition course for admission. In this case, the student is best admission. In this case, the student is best served with partial certification missing served with partial certification missing Area 1A. Area 1A.

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Q: Area 5: Science Lab Q: Area 5: Science Lab CoursesCourses

In IGETC Area 5, does the lab In IGETC Area 5, does the lab requirement count as a missing course requirement count as a missing course when considering partial certification? when considering partial certification? For example, a student is seeking For example, a student is seeking partial certification missing all of Area partial certification missing all of Area 5. Is missing area 5A & 5B considered 5. Is missing area 5A & 5B considered completing all but two courses or does completing all but two courses or does the lab make it three missing courses?the lab make it three missing courses?

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A: Area 5: Science Lab A: Area 5: Science Lab CoursesCourses

A student missing area 5A and 5B is eligible for partial IGETC as A student missing area 5A and 5B is eligible for partial IGETC as long as they have completed all other areas of IGETC.  The long as they have completed all other areas of IGETC.  The laboratory requirement is included in the 2 courses as indicated laboratory requirement is included in the 2 courses as indicated in the IGETC Standards copied below.in the IGETC Standards copied below.10.5 Subject Area 5 A/B: Physical and Biological Sciences10.5 Subject Area 5 A/B: Physical and Biological Sciences(At least 2 courses: 7-9 semester, 9-12 quarter units); (At least 2 courses: 7-9 semester, 9-12 quarter units); A minimum A minimum of one course in each area is required, and at least one must of one course in each area is required, and at least one must include a laboratoryinclude a laboratory

Example Example A)A) Student completes one 3-semester-unit biological Student completes one 3-semester-unit biological science science withoutwithout lab and one 3-semester-unit physical science lab and one 3-semester-unit physical science course course withoutwithout lab. lab. Conclusion:Conclusion: The student is missing 1 course in area 5. The student is missing 1 course in area 5.

Example Example B)B) Student completes one 3-semester-unit biological Student completes one 3-semester-unit biological science science with labwith lab and one 3- semester-unit physical science course and one 3- semester-unit physical science course withoutwithout lab. lab. Conclusion:Conclusion: The student is missing 1 unit and is also considered The student is missing 1 unit and is also considered to be missing one course in Area 5. Student in this situation can to be missing one course in Area 5. Student in this situation can either take a 1- unit-lab course that corresponds to the physical either take a 1- unit-lab course that corresponds to the physical science lecture course or take a 3-semester or 4-quarter unit science lecture course or take a 3-semester or 4-quarter unit biological or physical science course to fulfill the Area. biological or physical science course to fulfill the Area.

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Questions About CSUGEQuestions About CSUGE

Should we bother doing a partial CSU GE Should we bother doing a partial CSU GE certification if the student did not complete certification if the student did not complete Area A1-A3 and Area B-4? Area A1-A3 and Area B-4? Yes, you should Yes, you should partially certify missing courses in these partially certify missing courses in these areas.areas.

Currently, our campus does not certify Currently, our campus does not certify students if they received a "D" in any of students if they received a "D" in any of those areas, but we have been certifying those areas, but we have been certifying partials if the areas were not completed. partials if the areas were not completed. You can certify students with a “D” You can certify students with a “D” grade in any course in any areagrade in any course in any area

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Questions About CSUGEQuestions About CSUGE

Can we go over pass-along for CSU GE? Currently, Can we go over pass-along for CSU GE? Currently, we only pass-along course work from a CSU and we only pass-along course work from a CSU and from a California Community College. We equate from a California Community College. We equate course work from UC, private and out-of-state. In course work from UC, private and out-of-state. In the California Articulation Policies and Procedures the California Articulation Policies and Procedures Handbook, Spring 2006 page 98, it mentions that Handbook, Spring 2006 page 98, it mentions that you can use a course even if you do not have a like you can use a course even if you do not have a like course if the course is in the "spirit" of the GE course if the course is in the "spirit" of the GE area. Please go over this. area. Please go over this.

This question assumes the older, more restrictive This question assumes the older, more restrictive rules for IGETC would apply to GE Breadth.  They rules for IGETC would apply to GE Breadth.  They don't, and passing along courses that meet the don't, and passing along courses that meet the “spirit” of CSUGE is fine. (see E.O. 1033)“spirit” of CSUGE is fine. (see E.O. 1033)

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Questions About CSUGEQuestions About CSUGE• Is it at the college's discretion whether or not to use upper-Is it at the college's discretion whether or not to use upper-

division course work for CSU GE? I learned from previously division course work for CSU GE? I learned from previously meetings that some colleges used upper-division course work. meetings that some colleges used upper-division course work. Will the CSU guidelines and policies be changing to be more Will the CSU guidelines and policies be changing to be more like IGETC's policies regarding upper-division course work?like IGETC's policies regarding upper-division course work?

You can use upper division coursework toward a certification.You can use upper division coursework toward a certification.

• Who uses (should use) upper division coursework to satisfy a Who uses (should use) upper division coursework to satisfy a CSU pass along?  Example: Student attended CSUF, came to CSU pass along?  Example: Student attended CSUF, came to Fullerton College, then asks for a CSU GE Certification to Fullerton College, then asks for a CSU GE Certification to CSU Long Beach using AMST 320 for AREA E: Lifelong CSU Long Beach using AMST 320 for AREA E: Lifelong Learning? Learning?

As long as AMST 320 satisfies CSUF’s GE Area E As long as AMST 320 satisfies CSUF’s GE Area E requirement, you can use this upper division course. requirement, you can use this upper division course. Remember, CCC’s must honor CSUGE pattern when passing Remember, CCC’s must honor CSUGE pattern when passing along CSUGE coursework. along CSUGE coursework.