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Return of the Jedi: Five Questions with a Neigong

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neigong (pronounced nay-gung): the science of observing, strengthening and directing bio-energy,

or chi.

A repository of extraordinary skills such as telekinesis, pyrogenesis, telepathy,

remote viewing and levitation, the esoteric Eastern school known as Mo-Pai

has been described as a real-life order of Jedi Knights. Some have even

speculated that its history inspired George Lucas script forAttack of the

Clones.

Among the ancient neigonglineages still in existence today, the Mo-Pai is

characterized by an unusual openness. The school and its headmaster, known

by the alias John Chang, has been the subject of two recent booksand a

video documentary.

Jim McMillan, who identifies himself as a longtime disciple of John Chang,

has graciously agreed to share a few of his experiences withMartial

Developmentreaders:

How did you first become acquainted with the esoteric practice of neigong?

My long-standing relationship with martial arts had become a dead-end journey. I recognized that the

mentality of most practitioners, systems and schools is very self-centered: practitioners believe only

their style is completely capable, and that any student can reach the level of past masters.

That is why I took my training in another direction around 1988, give or take a year. After taking a

seminar from a Brazilian Jujitsu guy (cant remember his name), I realized that I had wasted years of mytime training in Taekwondo and Hapkido. I was easily defeated. It was a wake up call.

After taking some more classes, I tried combining BJJ with my previous styles, but this didnt make me

feel any better. I was getting too old, bored of the practice and physically tired. I realized it was also time

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My neigong

training has brought

fulfillment in ways

I never anticipated,

and I now see life

in a totally different

way.

to move over, for younger men to take over my martial arts school.

One evening, I was watching TV and saw a documentary called Ring of Fire. I

heard a call deep within my soul. It was an inner compulsion that I had never felt

before. I knew instantaneously that I had to find this man, who could perform

these strange things.

After two years of researching, I finally decided to just go. A week and a halflater, I found my teacher in a city of three million on the other side of the world.

It is often said that a traditional master will test an aspirants character and

resolve, before deciding whether to accept them as a disciple. Did you face

any such trials, or were you accepted immediately?

I wish the custom you speak of were true. However, thrill of being accepted by

Pak (master) John Chang made up for any apparent absence of traditional testing.

Upon my arrival, it took me all of two weeks to locate John. I could only meet with him for a few minutes

before I had to return to the airport, and catch my return flight home! Due to the rush, we had little timefor formalities. I found that Pak John was modern in many respects, and very traditional in few others.

I didnt know what to expect from a culture I was totally unaccustomed with. At our first meeting, Pak

John was grabbed my arm unexpectedly and told me to flex it, to see if I had enough strength for the

training. After that he said, Ill accept you. And that was that.

In the beginning and according to Asian custom, I was prepared to sit in front of the masters house, and

patiently for him to answer my questions. But I didnt have to, thank God!

What preconceived notions about qigong/neigongmasters or methods, if any, has your personalexperience since proven incorrect?

In the Mo Pai, there is a vital link between the present and the past. I refer to my

teachers current relationship with his own (long dead) master, who visits at Pak

Johns request during the Chinese New Year.

They speak on matters that I am not privy to, as I am not conversant in Indonesian,

nor am I at the level where I can hear the spirit directly. However, the masters

spirit demonstrates visually that he does exist and is present at these meetings.

To be honest I was willing to do whatever it took (except for one thing) to becomea student, and attain certain abilities that I had personally seen. While on my journey, I have found a new

sense of profound awareness about my relationship with my creator, God. I did not expect such a thing

would happen.

What sacrificestime, effort, money, et ceteraare required of a student in the Mo Pai? How do

these demands compare to your previous experience in various martial arts schools?

Actually, the sacrifices come naturally, as they would in pursuit of any other sincere interest we have. But

yes, there are sacrifices, and I have made some that were life changing.

I am frequently asked about the sex issue (conservingjing). While my normal male hunger remains

fully charged, my deep desire has become less focused on sex, and on future goals. I was glad to discover

I could actually exert control over my natural instincts! I found that I didnt have to be a slave to my

instincts, which really made me feel better about myself.


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Building up the

dantian isnt what

most people think.

You are notguaranteed great

health.

Initially, I tried to stay single, and did so for over ten years. However, this took a toll on me, in the form of

loneliness and depression. Later, I married.

My wife and son have tolerated the time spent on trips and in training. I try to

practice when they are in bed, in the early morning or late evening; this way I have

avoided too much trouble.

Money wasnt a big issue for me initially, since I remained single for so long. Nowthat I am married, money is more of an issue. Prior to marriage I usually spent a

little over three thousand dollars yearly to visit my teacher. However, the cost has

sharply risen since I last visited.

How has this training affected your physical and emotional health? Has it made your life easier, or

harder?

My health actually improved since I started in neigong. The deep breathing in our first level of training is

actually very beneficial, as many of you already know. However, being that we all are very different, the

effects/results will show differently in each of us.

I actually overcame a very severe back problem, and became so healthy that I went many years without

missing a single day of work.

I also attribute my improved heath to maturity. You come to recognize a larger picture in life than what

you had before. During the earlier period of my martial arts training, I always seemed to have some kind

of ailment I had to heal or deal with, but I found in the later years that my meditation helped not only my

physical condition, but my sparring as well. Still, this wasnt enough to convince me to continue with

martial arts.

My neigongtraining has brought fulfillment in ways I never anticipated, and I now see life in a totallydifferent way. It caused me to understand my relationship with my Lord God as never before. It was like I

was somehow infused with knowing himwithout intentionally seeking this knowledge. This had a great

impact upon my emotional state, and helped me through my prior depressive condition I had been

struggling with.

Meditation is a very healthy thing to do, both physically and mentally. Your eyes are opened to aspects

you wouldnt ordinarily see.

Building up the dantianisnt what most people think. You are not guaranteed great health. In fact, a few

Western students became ill from training incorrectly. Although I dont have concrete evidence, my

observations suggest that if one has greed, power or any other negative desire in his heart, they will have

health problems.

Many readers are interested in learning more about neikung, but dont know where to start. Do you

have any advice to offer?

Concerning admittance into the Mo Pai, I must always discuss every proposal with my teacher. Not

everyone can be admitted. Nevertheless, anyone can contact me, and I will try to reply to everyone.

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144 responses so far

1 Dojo Rat // Sep 17, 2008

What I find interesting and compelling is that he found the God- within himself.

No Church, religous dogma etc.

Thanks for this interesting post

2 chris // Sep 17, 2008

Hi Im realy interested in neigong how do i contact

jim mcmillan thank you

please reply

3 Chris // Sep 17, 2008

Unless or until Jim leaves public contact information here, you may post your questions below. (He

has left his email address on other posts, but I will let him decide when and where to repost it.) Jim

is not the only Mo-Pai member listening, by the way.

4 Spartan // Sep 18, 2008

HI, Jim is it possible to for you to email me at [email protected]

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Dear Jim,

I remember seeing the demonstrations by Pak John Chang as a young child and having the image

stick with me to this day. I also remember the feeling when I heard that he was not longer teaching

or accepting students not good! Reading this has given me a feeling that I might too be as

fortunate as you one day. If you get the time to pass on your contact details, I would really

appreciate it!

Thanks,

Jeremy

6 Mindlezz1 // Sep 18, 2008

Hi Jim, its a pleasure meeting you and thank you for sharing your incredible experiences. Im not

really sure what to say or even how to ask but I am very interested in contacting you. If you have

the time would you be so kind as to shoot me an [email protected]

7 chris // Sep 19, 2008

Hi Jim its Chris here any chance of a email

id appreciate it thank you

8 Uzo // Sep 19, 2008

Hi Chris,

I would appreciate it greatly if you could forward my interest on to Jim in regards to learning

Neigong. My email address is:

dukeswharf (at) gmail (dot) com

Peace & Blessings

Uzo

9 Mindlezz1 // Sep 19, 2008

Jim is a very busy but kind hearted man. He will reply soon enough

10 Daniel // Sep 22, 2008

Hi Jim my name is Daniel and I dont if you read these emails or not but I was hoping and

wondering if you could share some more of your wisdom and expiernces of neigong. Please feel

free to email me at [email protected] [email protected] it would be GREATLEY

apperciated and valued


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11 Ikigai // Sep 22, 2008

Quite interesting! I hadnt heard of this gentleman before now.

12 Sydney Familiar // Sep 23, 2008

Thank you for posting this! Will there be a part II to this brief interview? I would also like to

contact Jim when possible.

13 Chris // Sep 23, 2008

Sydney, none of the other professed Mo-Pai members I conversed with have been as forthcoming as

Jim McMillan. Mo-Pai is not the only living neigong school, however, so maybe I will eventually

write more on this subject. Though, actually, I have mixed feelings about doing so.

14 Tony // Sep 24, 2008

Aloha Jim McMillan,

I live in Honolulu, Hawaii. I am a long time student of life and continue to be. All the material I

have seen on Sifu JC or the Mo-pai continue to not only intrigue, but strike a chord inside of me. As

a Thai-Chinese, I would like to embrace that Taoist part of my heritage, but have yet to encounter a

chance. If you have time, would you email me at:

t o n y @ f r e s h m a n g 0. n e t

Thank you,

Tony

15 Tony // Sep 24, 2008

Sorry, I was trying to avoid the web crawlers and made a mistake in my email:

it should be (w/o the spaces):

t o n y @ f r e s h m a n g o . n e t

Thank you again.

Tony

16 Martin C. // Sep 25, 2008

Great post! THANK YOU for taking the time to share it with us.


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-Martin C.

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17 Mark // Sep 29, 2008

Hi Jim,

Thank you for sharing. The depth of your life experience can be felt through your words. I would

like to hear more on your opinion on what type of person suceeds in the training as well as the

obsticles you encountered along the path. This would greatly benefit all of us on our journey.

I would love to speak with you more when you find the time since in the not too distant future I

plan on seeking out Pak John Chang as well, hopefully with a little Grace.

Thanks for your time in advance.

Mark

[email protected]

NYC

18 William // Oct 6, 2008

Chris,

you have written a number of articles on Mo Pai and John Chang. Why do you now dangle the

carrot in front of people but have hesitations to give more details, when you write:Mo-Pai is notthe only living neigong school, however, so maybe I will eventually write more on this subject.

In the end any practice requires dedication over many years and the guidance of an experienced

master. So giving some general information for those searching honestly should be of any harm,

dont you think.

19 Mindless1 // Oct 6, 2008

William, if you are meant to find a teacher you will, if not dont dwell. You can do many a greatthings via a good book. Healing promise of Qi for example can help anybody with basic cultivation

and circulation. You may never find someone like John Chang but you can figure things out on your

own. As far as the dangers go, its a myth. In extreme and very rare cases do you ever , EVER get

into danger while training.

20 Chris // Oct 6, 2008

Chris, you have written a number of articles on Mo Pai and John Chang. Why do you

now dangle the carrot in front of people but have hesitations to give more details, whenyou write:Mo-Pai is not the only living neigong school, however, so maybe I will

eventually write more on this subject.


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I have thus far written nearly three hundred pageson qigongand martial arts, at considerable

personal effort and for trivial compensation. And now you are complaining that I havent done

enough? Seriously?

Mo-Pai is mentioned on maybe four of these pages. I havent mentioned it more often, despite

obvious reader interest, because it is simply not my particular area of expertise. That would be

reason enough not to go into greater detail.

In the end any practice requires dedication over many years and the guidance of an

experienced master. So giving some general information for those searching honestly

should [not] be of any harm, dont you think.

This website is full of general information! Jim and I gave you a free piece of cake here, and you

demand a scoop of ice cream to go with it. Maybe this is how Western students earn a reputation for

ingratitude

Anyway, do you have any specific questions?


Chris,

please dont misunderstand me.

Your site is great and people are certainly thankful for the information you provide.

But you know that many people are very interested in this topic as you can see from the number of

comments.

And also so far it seems that there are not really any other schools similar to Mopai. But then you

say By the way, I know of one other school. Hmm, shall I let you in on this. I might. But perhaps

better not. If you dont want to share this information, and not even hints, why mention it? Thats

what I meant.

So my specific question is: Which other school is there?

22 Chris // Oct 7, 2008

There are plenty of reasons for sharing this much, and there are plenty of reasons for not sharing

more. To address them briefly here would not do them justice, I think.

Long story short, I recommend you start by reading Qigong Fever.


Ive come across that book before. Thanks for the recommendation. Ill buy it.

Have you had a look at the master piece on China by Joseph Needham? It seems that in some

volume (I think 5) there is good information on internal arts. I havent looked at it yet myself.

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Im not the most intelligent guy but I fair pretty well when it comes to common sense and Ive

pretty much grasped some of the training methods out of the magus book I think. In the end all the

masters end up on a pillow, lotus position, doing sitting meditation. I say screw qigong, not to be

rude, but from my understanding qigong circulates and you want to accumulate and do inner

alchemy work.

25 Chris // Oct 8, 2008

William, I have not read any of Joesph Needhams books.

Mindless1, please, no more common sense advice on this subject.

26 Mindless 1 // Oct 9, 2008

Hey look, I understand that everybody loves to keep up the tradition of myths but thats exactly

what they are MYTHS. Qigong, yoga, they are both great for certain things but not my certain

things. Common sense, if you actually have it, can keep you out of trouble. Matter of fact one of the

greatest myths to keep that student teacher relationship so tight is that the practices can be

dangerous. The odds of any practice being a danger to anybody is the odds of me going to the

moon.

27 KHN // Oct 11, 2008

Hi Jim,

I was wondering if there is any possible way I could create a line of communication with you or

Master John Chang. I have so much questions I would like to ask and so many things I want to

learn.

I was also curious if I could possibly one day meet you or John Chang in person?

Im willing to make the trip to meet you in the summer to learn more about meditation,

self-preservation, ideologies, and if possible neigong itself. And I willing to make the trip to meet

John Chang, and maybe ask to be his apprentice, if denied, even a little advice or guidance would

be greatly appreciated.

p.s. If Jim is not available, can you provide me the information to contact him Chris? Or possibly

anyone else.

28 Eclipz // Oct 18, 2008

Jim McMillan I am interested in learning from you, and your lineage. Please send me an email, it

will be greatly appreciated.

I just purchased both of the books about John Chang and I am very intent on learning this

knowledge. So if you could assist me in any way it would be great.

Thanks again.


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29 Eclipz // Oct 18, 2008

my email address is [email protected]

30 yogip // Oct 20, 2008

Hi Jim,

I really counldnt care less about these mystical and metaphyiscal powers. I would however like to

delve into this meditation and ask god or the divine/higher self some serious questions regarding

my personal journey..

So honestly I have to ask this question I have to ask, can you help me to find god and establish a

communion with him, which is quite similar to what you have done and achieved

Regards

31 Mindless1 // Oct 21, 2008

Yogip,

If you are wanting to get closer to the divine then you should find meditation elsewhere. Neigong

has nothing to do with religion. Some religion includes neigong meditation sure but the Mo Pai is a

system, not a religion.

32 INTERNAL ARTS Mystery Revealed // Oct 22, 2008

I have to know many people can do extraordinary power, so the God within us my friends.

John Chang stay in Indonesia and he is low profile Master

33 Jonathan // Oct 26, 2008

Hello

That is an excellent article Chris, thank you for sharing with us.

This is my email: [email protected]

Finding answers is sometimes extremely difficult, any help is always appreciated, however I

understand that Jim, yourself and other practitioners of this art are probably getting tired of being

harrassed by people wanting information and contact details about this art or how to learn it etc. So,

to be honest, I will completely understand and respect it if no one wants to pass anything on.

Thank you for your time.


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34 Spartan // Oct 27, 2008

Hello,all I think its great to hear many different thoughts on the subject of Mo Pai (nei kung).If

Master chang would open up the doors and begin training all who would come, How many of us

would last,This method is not for everyone its a Yang method which if done wrong can be faital.So

I take my hat off toJim and all the sudents of Mopai who are progressing through out the levels .

35 Thunderbird // Oct 28, 2008

Spartan,

Its like a big shiny new sports car that now that everyone has seen the video now wants one. What

they dont realize is they might not be able to afford it. This can be karmically, spiritually, or

energetically. This is besides the fact that most people cant concentrate for more than 5 seconds

anyhow. Music songs are typically 2-3 minutes because that is the stretch of time people will listen

to a song before getting bored. American culture just doesnt have what it takes to honor systems

like this. The few (.0000000000001) of Americans that have done well are the exception.

36 Spartan // Oct 28, 2008

Hi,Thunderbird you are correct and have stated nothing but the facts,If they would hear about some

of the bad side effects that some poeple experience I doubt that they will still want that shinny new

car!When you attempt to do this kind of empty force training their is always a price to be paid

the question for them is ,are they willing to pay the price ,your own personal situation comes in toplay your health,are you in shape many,things have to be considered before you just say I want to

train with john chang,If we could be john chang for a day and feel the things he feels and sees it

would be to much for people to handle, Most people would die or loose their mind,but even john

had to train to get to that level ,He has paid his price .This is a life time commitment!So I ask

people to ask themselves two questions Do I have what it takes/Am I ready to put in the time to get

good at this stuff .I hope that my words help people become clear on what they want do regarding

this kind of training Becuase your life depends on it. God bless you all. train smart!

37 Jonathan // Oct 29, 2008

I think the both of you are totally correct on what you are saying. For alot of people, this could just

be a fad, or a new toy to play with, and again you are both right about the reality and dangerous side

of this sort of thing. There are a good number of people who have not considered either.

However you have to remember that not everyone who has posted here is going to be in that

catagory. There are people here who have studied martial arts (and similar) for a long time, and

maybe have not yet been able to find what they are looking for, exactly as the case was with Jim.

Yes, some people might see a shiny new car, and suddenly want it (These are usually rich and

arrogant people anyway), but some people may have spent years saving up their hard earned moneyto be able to afford that car one day.

Alot of people wont have had the money to go on quests to China and Indonesia etc, to personally


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seek knowledge face to face from people, so the internet might be their only way of finding such

information for the time being, which may have led them straight to this article and hence the very

topic we are disscussing.

Like I said, you are both exactly right and I have no debate there, just remember that everyone here

will have come here for different reasons, and not all will be bad or vain.

Thanks guys.

P.S Not all of us are American

38 William // Oct 29, 2008

Well said, Jonathan.

39 Spartan // Oct 29, 2008

Hello, Jonathan I thank you for your warm words,I just want to help people really get what they are

looking for by becoming clear and focused ,and you are correct about people posting here for

various reasons and not all will be bad or in vain .But their intent makes it so,training is closer than

we may think !and if any one has any questions about training email me at

[email protected] I will be glad to help. We must help each other that way we all can

grow together! train smart

40 Mindless1 // Oct 29, 2008

I cant believe how much BS there is floating around right now. You guys talk as if you know JC and

you dont. Lets start off with the whole sports car crap. Even JC wanted to be like Master Weird

Banana after he saw the things he could do so even JC HIMSELF wanted the red sports car. As far

as the practices, it takes you being able to quiet the mind. Physically its not dangerous, the

breathing gets a bit difficult but whoopty doo. I cant speak for any of the actual high level training

so for all I know it could very well be dangerous.

The problem with Kosta, Jim and Andreas is that they all got a bit too power hungry and wanting

the spotlight. If youve ever read either one of Kostas books you can tell just by reading howarrogant and self centered he is. Jim, having a few videos made of him and wanting to be in

documentaries aswell is on the power hungry side too. Andreas didnt train worth a crap, meaning

he hardly EVER trained and when he did didnt take it seriously. All of us are the same. It doesnt

matter if you live in China, Africa, Europe or the USA, people share common traits. John Chang on

several occassions has turned away chinese aswell. The difference between JC and may of his

students is that John has done very well in ridding himself of ego. He did go a bit carried away in

showing off in the documentary but compared to everyone else out there he is and will always be a

saint, so to speak.

So, with that said, lets stop with all the assumptions will we?

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Hello, Mindless1 Im sorry if I have angered you ,that was not my intent,the things that I have stated

are fact,I may not know John chang personally,but after reading both of kostas books I have come

to understand their method of practice (just a little bit) after training a while I have come to

understand how energy works (still learning every day) if you train yourself you will come to

understand energy and you will see where Im comming from, if you have any questions email me at

[email protected] be glad to help you futher your training so that you can become that

best you can,maybe we can learn from each other.train smart

42 Mindless1 // Oct 30, 2008

I hate to be the needle that bursts the proverbial bubble butPOP!! Its a mistake for anyone to

think that they can train using either one of Kostas books. What Kosta does is give you a piece

here and there to a puzzle but doesnt give you anything more. You cannot successfully progress in

the Mo Pai system using his book. The Mo Pai system is a mechanical system in the beginning

meaning if you do it , it will work, regardless. The thing is though, is that you have to do it RIGHT.

You cant read 300 pages of a 600 page novel and expect to have any idea of how it really ends or

what happens.


Regarding post 40

So, with that said, lets stop with all the assumptions will we?

Assumptions made it post 40:

* John Chang wanted the red sports car*physically its not dangerous

*all those mentioned are power hungry

*Andreas didnt train hard

Now I will explain. John Chang did not likely want the rd sports car. Like most with a calling, you

resist for as long as possible before the spirits make you give in. Your life will become difficult if

you dontwhich happened to me. Physically it is dangerous since you are playing with circuits of

the body. These circuits effect mind, body, organs, and mental well being. Many adepts along the

way have already thoroughly documented physical problems they ran into along their journey for

this argument to even be considered anymore. Why is making videos power hunger? give us

speicifc examples from Kostas book that clearly show an ego. We will be waiting. How do you

know how hard any of these people trained, like Andreas? fill us in. haha

44 Mindless1 // Oct 30, 2008

Thunderbird,

Here we go down the spiral of the ancient dangers of stilling the mind LMFAO!! Lets start off with

yet another assumption. You assume that Im an outside observer.

Qigong, yoga, tai chi, etc are not dangerous. Seeing as how thousands and thousands of elderly

people take up all of the above practices and have no problems at all then that should be proof

enough. What Im saying is that the odds of someone developing serious problems are that of a


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Luxen,

I understand your post. Do you think heart problems can arise from reversing the microcosmic

orbit? I know an old Ninjutsu man who had heart problems resulting from this habit which passed

when he stopped.

48 Mindless1 // Oct 31, 2008

John Chang himself said that Andreas didnt practice like he should and also said that Kosta was full

of himself. If you cant read the book and tell by Kostas words that hes full of himself then you are

a little dense. John Chang HIMSELF said that Andreas didnt practice like he should and Kosta was

full of himself.

Karma does indeed work that way. If you are a piece of shit for most of your life then you have a

shit load of bad karma but if you turn around and start being a good hearted person then you start

burning up the karma, meditation and prayer can burn it up aswell, although rather slowly. In the

Mo Pai system you dont completely free yourself from karma until later on but by level 4 you make

a huge difference in the way karma effects. However, you can burn up bad karma throughmeditation and prayer. Its taught in the Mo Pai system.

The problem with websites like this is that people read a book or two and get into a couple of

conversations about it and think theyre an expert but news flash!! You arent. Ive met John and Im

no expert. Dont be so dense

49 Mindless1 // Oct 31, 2008

FYI, electrons are negatively charged

50 Chris // Oct 31, 2008

The problem with websites like this is that people read a book or two and get into a

couple of conversations about it and think theyre an expert but news flash!! You arent.

Ive met John and Im no expert.

Whereof one cannot speak, thereof one must remain silent. If you are no expert, then please stop

giving advice.

Readers, I warn you that many people have injured themselves through misapplication of

qigong/neigong exercises. Despite some underinformed comments above, common sense and

internal alchemy go together like peanut butter and mackerel.


tell me where chang said these things. I thought you were going to cite examples of his arrogence?

haha..


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52 Mindless1 // Oct 31, 2008

JOHN HIMSELF, SPEAKING TO ME SAID KOSTA WAS FULL OF HIMSELF. IN THE

NEIKUNG BOOK MOST OF THE CONVERSATIONS NEVER HAPPENED AND KOSTA

ADDED A BUNCH THAT JOHN NEVER SAID. JOHN CAN SPEAK ENGLISH BUT WHEN

HES DEEP INTO A CONVERSATION HE DOESNT USE ENGLISH SO ALOT OF THE

BOOK WAS THROUGH A TRANSLATOR.

CHRIS, WHAT I MEANT WHEN I SAID I WAS NO EXPERT WAS THAT EVEN THOUGH

IVE MET HIM AND CURRENTLY TRAIN IN THE MO PAI SYSTEM, IM STILL NO EXPERT.

JIM ISNT AN EXPERT! THE ONLY MO PAI NEIKUNG EXPERT IS JOHN! I DO KNOW,

FROM JOHN, THAT PEOPLE HAVE HAD SOME PHYSICAL PROBLEMS WITH THE MO

PAI TRAINING BUT THE STUPID KOSTA BOOK EXAGERATES THE HELL OF OUT IT!

ITS LABOROUS WITH SOME OF THE BREATHING BUT THATS IT.

JOHN TOLD ME ABOUT KOSTA AND ANDREAS. JOHN, HIMSELF, IN THE FLESH SPOKE

TO ME ABOUT THEM. THATS WHY THERE WAS SUCH A PROBLEM WITH HIMTEACHING NON CHINESE.

ONE EXAMPLE OF THE BOOK BEING COMPLETELY WRONG IS IN THE FIRST

CHAPTER OF NEIKUNG. KOSTA IS TALKING TO JOHN ABOUT THE DIFFERENT AURAS

AND HOW ONLY YELLOW CAN PROGRESS AND KOSTA GETS ALL BUTT HURT AND

ASKS JOHN IF HE COULD TELL WHAT COLOR HIS AURA WAS, JOHN SAYS NOT RIGHT

NOW BECAUSE IM NOT AT FULL POWER, BUT NOT TO GIVE UP BECAUSE KOSTA IS

STILL YOUNG. THAT CONVERSATION NEVER HAPPENED.

[Edited for civility.]


so what leads you to believe he exagerates the dangers? Im still waiting on that one, also. How did

you deduce he was butt hurt about the aura thing? Your not clear on that. Besides that it isnt clear

to me still how you came to the conclusion Kosta is arrogent haha. Besides John didnt tell you

anything .

54 Mindless1 // Nov 1, 2008

I didnt come to the conclusion that Kosta is arrogant. I was told specifically BY JOHN!! I was

speaking to John about the problem with westerners, John made a few remarks about Kosta and

Andreas specifically. The problem with westerners is that we are either lazy or arrogant. Kosta

started an arguement with John because John wouldnt train him anymore. Kosta is an arrogant ass.

Andreas is lazy and didnt train which is why he never progressed.

You can sit there and doubt me all day long, I dont care. John still trains westerners but not just

everyone that comes a knockin. I know John personally.

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55 Thunderbird // Nov 1, 2008

No you dont know John. But here is how you work, which is hard to figure out since it is very

normal behavior. You make sweeping generalizations with the hopes that nobody calls your bluff

and questions you. When someone does you make one more attempt at vague, sweeping statements

which are unfounded. After this doesnt work you name call and maybe try to redirect the focus

away from the original thought of the bluff which was called. The facts you have arent facts, but are

mere assumptions and conjecture. Karma is nothing like you mentioned it is. It would be like

asking a child who God is and the child answers an old man with a grey beard in the sky, that was

your equivalent. Karma isnt real nor is it good stuff can make up for bad stuff type misinformation.

Hitler could have conceivable avoided karma by redirecting an imbalance as the same Illuminati

family members are reborn into the same blood and family avoiding karma, as you know it.


oops not hard to figure out. If you dont believe this is how it works.read your posts haha.


If I wanted to I could go against my oath I could tell you his real last name and his place of

residence.


John has absolutely no idea who you are and you do not know him. Your tactics work on the school

yard but not with adults. I will take as much energy as you want since you are giving it to me so

freely. I will keep this up forever but understand there is a price.


Nice try thunderbird. Ignorance is a plague, thanks for wrecking the gene pool = (equals in otherwords) Im changing the subject and I cant back up my numerous claims. Well you never said you

had an email address with mopai in it.you must be legit. haha


The only way to actually back up that I know John is to supply pictures, his real name and his

location correct? I argued myself into a corner because Im not going to supply his name and

location for everyone out there.

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Enough Mindless1! Thunderbird doesnt actually care who you know, and neither do I. It certainly

doesnt change the fact that you were wrong about the relationship between neigong and religion,

wrong about qigong, and wrong about the dangers of advanced practice. That is forgivable; we all

have something we need to learn. I will not, however, tolerate any further digressions from either of

you.

62 Gabe // Nov 16, 2008

Yea. I am one of the people who have become ill from trying to teach myself. I dont care about

martial arts, I care about healing, and reaching higher levels of consciousness.

I have attained ever-greater levels of consciousness from my own personal meditation. But if I am

doing something wrong I dont know what it is. I just know I am drained a lot. I have my ups and I

have my downs, but I seem to have developed a slight, but permanent hindarence on myself.

I dont really care about John Changs demonstration, you have to do it on your own is what I think.

Theres a lot of bumps in the road but so far theres nothing a determined person cant get past, andnobody can -really- help you do it is my experience. Only yourself. Though it would be nice to hear

experience from a master who isnt a complete fraud like 99% of them out there.

63 Gabe // Nov 16, 2008

Oh, if I could describe the illness that you get from improper practice, I would call it an energy

leak, its like some of your life-force is leaking into a void of nothing-ness.

64 Spartan // Nov 17, 2008

Hello, Gabe you say that you have gotten ill from trying to teach yourself, Let me guess you have

mood swings from feeling very happy to very angry ,some days you have a lot of energy and

somtimes you dont.I can tell ,you must also be in a lot of pain! the reason for these side effects are

because when you do these kind of power exersices you have to build up your never fibers to

handle the chi going through your body.The next thing is try a lying down meditation for about 20

min.then take a hot bath in Epsom salt to take away the soreness your having.then you should seek

a better method that is easy on the body and mind.Have a good one .

train smart!

65 Raj // Nov 18, 2008

Chris,

I have recently discovered Neigong. After 23 years of training in external arts like Hapkido, Kempo

and Okinawan Karateetc I know that Neigong is the missing piece of the puzzle I have been

searching for. I am interested in internal healing and healing others since I suffer with chronic pain

myself. I live in Southeastern Virginia and hoping I can find a qualified teacher that can guide me

on this path. Thank you for all your insight and any guidance you can provide.


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Regarding post 64,

I dont think minor inconveniences like soreness and energy fluctuations are any reason to stop

internal training any more than a potential bodybuilder stop lifting because he feels sore and

fatiqued after workouts. Its a part of the process. Unfortunatly we live in a culture than is very weak(mind and bodied) and we have this egocentric mentality that we dont deserve anything but

positive everything at all times. I say keep pluggin away since it seems like a sign of progress to

me.

67 Chris // Nov 18, 2008

Raj,

My serious advice: dont believe everything you read on the Internet!

Gabe and Thunderbird,

There are two ways to learn the difference between a temporary discomfort and the onset of a

disease state. The first, is to consult an expert. The secondwell, thats the hard way. Some schools

avoid directed meditations, because the likelihood of achieving a net positive effect through

self-guided practice is low.

68 Beavis // Nov 18, 2008

Id like to just point out a little oddity in the above messege. You can easily find an expert in

basically anything just by hopping online or picking up a phone book but you cant find an expert in

any kind of qigong or neigong or meditation period. Its not like going down the road to McLees

FastFood Meditational.

69 Raj // Nov 18, 2008

Chris,

Thank you. I do filter what I come across online and will wait for proper guidance before trying

these excercises. Hopefully the adage will hold true that when the student is ready, the master will

appear. Until then I will be at the ready


I only think the net positive results are slower to come, but not low as in probability. Its like

successful athletes, business men, social status, intelligence etc. It is certainly easier when a path sis

laid before you but there are trailblazers in the above mentioned scenarios. Some people just haveit and once they begin a quest the rest develops, whether they are solo or in a group.


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Without going into much detail I have been tested by inner planes beings as far as an initiation. This

initiation could also have happened from some master walking around. The gods are always

watching those who have the gift to walk between the worlds and when you are ready, they let you

know they have been there with you!

72 Beavis // Nov 18, 2008

Thats the biggest crock of Sh&% Ive ever heard. You arent initiated into a damn thing

73 Chris // Nov 19, 2008

You can easily find an expert in basically anything just by hopping online or picking upa phone book but you cant find an expert in any kind of qigong or neigong or

meditation period. Its not like going down the road to McLees FastFood Meditational.

However difficult finding a teacher might be, mastering the lessons alone is surely harder.

If you couldnt afford to buy a car, would you try to build one instead? And pray the brakes work as

intended?

74 Chris // Nov 19, 2008

I only think the net positive results are slower to come, but not low as in probability. Its

like successful athletes, business men, social status, intelligence etc. It is certainly

easier when a path sis laid before you but there are trailblazers in the above mentioned

scenarios.

True. In the long run, we all are successful or we are dead. Either way, our problems are solved.


I just dont believe in that common rhetoric about needing masters to proceed and needing them for

initiation. Like the plains Indians shamans, initiation comes from the Gods in some cases.

76 Butthead // Nov 20, 2008

Indian Shamans didnt do things like Tibetans practicing Tummo either. You can initiate yourself

with DMT, as you obviously do but its not the samething as any kind of power giving meditation.

Yes you should seek a master if you wish to develop any kind of major power ie tummo or mo pai

type power but if you want to feel your hand tingle then just do qigong on your own. Go buy the

book Healing Power of Qi and you have years worth of practice in the book.


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Im perfectly fine with building a car on my own. All you need are tools and a manual, follow it to

the letter and you have a fine running car. End of story


When I was a true beginner I did not understand these concepts either, but you are comparing

apples to oranges. You need to understand extenal power shamans (mediums, channelers, invokersetc) are different than internal alchemy like Chang. It is not uncommon that regardless of whether

you are internal or external certain attributes and gifts are common. In your mistake you did not

find the difference. The irony is both utilize the other. Internal alchemists pull in power from the

ether and trap it. External power wielders navigate the inner planes in order to find large amounts of

power. Whether one is Sitting Bull, Alesiter Crowley, or a Druid, the power is still there. If you are

confused ask questions since it will help you learn.


The only confusion seems to be on your end.


The strongest shamans I have ever known all seem to be native american, hands down. The rumors

of shapeshifters arent all false.


This site reminds me of cyberkwoon. The shits so deep I shoulve worn my wading boots. Youve

never met any shamans. Just because youve met a native american doesnt mean they are shamans

LOL. Look, I know you think youve been on all kinds of spiritual planes but quit lying. The bs is so

thick its stinking through my comp.


lol


Native Americans come from a strange energy and planetary system. While they suffer at adapting

to the modern world the ability to access deep primordial roots becomes a strength when doing

work with the spirits and healing etc

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I am very interested in any information regarding training in this style of internal martial arts or any

similar styles to it.

I take tai chi/qi gong, but my class is mostly focused on physical movements. There is little to no

discussion about what is going on inside.

Martial arts is a way of life, my way of life.

[email protected]


I love how the infinite wisdom flows from within this site

(hand smacks forehead)

85 Chris // Nov 23, 2008

This site reminds me of cyberkwoon.

There certainly has been an influx of anonymous trolls here lately! Honestly, I would prefer people

use their real namesas Butthead and myself have doneand will continue to lock pages if a

discussion heads in the wrong direction.

86 Martin // Dec 13, 2008

Hello everybody,

I have read both books by Kosta Danaos about John Chang and started to practice

the meditation he showed in Nei Kung and I wanted a few questions of mine solved, if this is

possible.

Is this meditation enough to reach level one? Are you supposed to concentrate

just on the area of the dantien or an what is taking place inside of it, e.g.

heat, vibration, etc.? Is it important to feel the breath there or is your mind

resting in the dantien enough?

I also wanted to express my thanks to Jim for sharing a bit of his knowledge. Iam 20 years old, practicing Kung Fu for half of this time and I am about to

spend all my money on finding John Chang. Is it possible to visit Jim so that he

gets to know you in order to decide if he can teach you. I would be happy to get

some answers and I apologise for my too open questions.

Thank you very much,

Martin

87 No-Mind // Dec 17, 2008

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jumbles them all up so you have no clue as to what youre doing. He instructs standing meditation in

NeiKung but Level One has no standing meditation AT ALL. The books are really great reading

material and he has some ok theories but the books were never meant to be instructional.

88 No-Mind // Dec 17, 2008

Chris

I come on peacefull terms.

89 Martin // Dec 22, 2008

Thanks No-Mind,

I appreciate your answer. Kosta sais this, too, but he also sais that the attentive reader might arrange

the bits and pieces correctly in order to get a hint on the bigger picture. He also makes clear that he

wants the reader to start meditating and gives some instructions for this. If there wasnt some

relation to the actual training then I dont know why he is so insisting on this. I could definitely feel

the heat in the dantien he discribed on various occasions as being a characteristic of yang chi. I

dont think filling the dantien with yang chi is too hard. The difficult thing appears to be mastering

the state he discribes as meditation. Is there some truth in this, No-Mind?

90 No-Mind // Dec 22, 2008

Martin,

The mo pai method is mechanical, meaning if you simply do x y and z then it works. Kosta did not

write an instructional book. You CAN get bits and pieces of the real training in the book but bits

and pieces wont work. Level One IS fairly simple but if not done properly then its not even worth

it. Done properly Level One can take 1, 5, even 10 years depending on the dedication. Improperly

train and its for nothing.

You dont necessarily need the sleeplike state he describes because you can use a type of

visualization/meditation at first.

Every mo pai student takes an oath. The says many things, one of which is to not train others or talkabout training to others. Thats why Kosta didnt openly write the Level One or Two instructions.

91 Martin // Dec 24, 2008

Thanks again No-Mind,

I get why there is so much secrecy about John Changs teachings but I do not get why he shut his

school completely(from what is publically known) if it enhances human potential so much. This

would mean that the school dies out if not even his students are allowed to teach. I mean would he

still refuse someone who had the character, mind and body suitable to be successful in the training?

And if level one is simple and its mastery dependant upon dedication why not give this piece of

information to the dedicated who seek it for wholesome reasons? As far as Ive understood there is

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reader so much to start meditation practice?

I would love to get a response and apologise if anything seems offending.

Merry Christmas,

Martin

92 Martin // Dec 24, 2008

I just reread the interview and concerning this:

Concerning admittance into the Mo Pai, I must always discuss every proposal with my teacher.

Not everyone can be admitted. Nevertheless, anyone can contact me, and I will try to reply to

everyone.

I would really want to contact Jim so that he can check my character, etc. . I live in Germany but I

am willing to travel to wherever he lives in order to let him do this. So if you read this I would

appreciate you contacting me ([email protected]).

Happy holidays everybody!

93 No-Mind // Dec 24, 2008

Martin,

Kosta wrote a book, plain and simple. He, along with the Blair brothers opened the world up to

whats possible. The school isnt shut down completely (your source is incorrect), but he hasnt

accepted new students for quite sometime. He cant accept any nonchinese without running it by his

spirit master either. The school will not die because he will leave it to (as of now itll be a chinese

student) someone else. John can refuse anyone because he isnt obligated to teach but one student to

keep the lineage alive.

Things have changed SIGNIFICANTLY since his spirit master spoke against teaching nonchinese.

Jim cannot discuss every proposal with John just as I cant. Things arent the same for us

nonchinese. If he or I reach Level Four then we can accept students openly.

The training is harmful for those with high blood pressure.

The book DOES have bits and pieces in it but not the whole puzzle. You have certain hand mudras

for instance depending on how you sit and he says NOTHING on those, which are important. There

are certain places you should and should not meditate and he says very very little on the topic. Ifyou are smart you can figure out where to meditate but youre clueless on the mudras still.

John isnt free from karma yet so he HAS to pick his students wisely. John only has a handful of

students right now anyway.

94 Name // Dec 24, 2008

I am here to speak with you Jim.

http://www.myspace.com/shaggnasty

Namaste


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95 Martin // Dec 25, 2008

Of course I understand what you are saying about the difficulties for nonchinese to get in touch

with this teachings but is it impossible? I mean could I get in contact with Jim or you, No-Mind,

and have a more than 0 chance that master Liao accepts you learning the system? I think there are

tons of people you would love to learn it just out of curiosity but there still are those who would

like to pursue it as a lifelong endeavour out of honorable reasons. I am 20 years old and practice

chinese martial arts for half of this time as a means of self-cultivation but Johns teaching is what I

have always been looking for. I am practicing vipassana for quite some time now and started doing

Kostas meditation several hours a day. What would you recommend someone like me who wants

to take the risk of being accepted or rejected?

Id appreciate an answer very much, as always and thank you again for replying, No-Mind.

96 No-Mind // Dec 25, 2008

Martin,

Im always free to talk on this site or via email. There is a chance that you John personally accepts

you as he did me. There is also a chance that he doesnt. You wont know until you try. Keep in mind

the cost of flying and hotels and the fact that he may not be home at all due to his many businesses

he maintains.

97 Martin // Dec 26, 2008

Hi No-Mind,

I would appreciate you contacting me under [email protected] further information on visiting

John, if this is possible for you.

Like I said I am only 20 years old so money is not what I have got most. Because of this I would

like to know as precisely as possible where I can find him (like the city he lives in if possible and

maybe, if you know, a time when he is not travelling, etc.). I am serious about this. I feel that if I

dont try now I will regret it until I do. I cannot even express how greatful I am for your answers so

far, No-Mind. Thank you so much!

Best wishes,

Martin

98 Yogip // Dec 28, 2008

Hello No Mind,

Is it true that level 1 of the mo-pai sytem is that you concentrate on the dan-tien, which is

approximately 3 finger widths below the navel. How do you you klnow when you have filled this

energy point?

Regards


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youve discribed to act the way he does which in itself can teach us a great deal.

Maybe our fault is just not to realise this and still be arrogant enough to intend to force

someone to show information we are simply not ready for.

Just my opinion

107 Spartan // Jan 1, 2009

Hello,all I would just like to say that Mr John Chang has made his choice as far as the future of Mo

Pai is concerned,Although Im not a student I deeply respect his choice,sometimes we grow angry

because we dont understand The choices our sifus make because we only concern ourselves with

earthly concerns,their is much more to the puzzle than you think and their are rules that even at MR

changs level that must be obeyed and could not be understood at your current levels.Here is how

you get Sifu Changs or any other master for that matter s attention! Develop yourself to the point

where you get their attenion I clearly see that this is a test for the mopai students Who will set

themselves apart from the rest of the pack,what could you show sifu Chang if he where standing in

front of you now, I think that you would all be wasting his time and he knows this so he is waiting

to see what you can show.Then when you have done this then all the information you seek will be

made available to,and another thing we must consider is it may not be your destiny to recieve

training from Sifu chang Many will be called but few will be chosen!I have shared this infomation

in the hopes that my words will be taken not in a bad way but in a way that will help us all.I have

trained to the point that I get people emailing me all the time regarding training with them and their

teachers are impressed with me (thats what they say) I dont handel praise well at all ,I just want to

help out.It all boils down to do you have what it takes to set yourselves apart from the pack,are

your current abilities enough to get Sifu changs attention.

Train smart and Happy new year!

108 East Meets West // Jan 1, 2009

there is quite a lot of feisty opinions on here!

LOL

still see yourself as separate you do- (insert yoda voice)

watch out. dont lend your power out to someone just because of a video. maybe JC is real, maybe

its just a clever advertising scheme. videos can be doctored, books can be exaggerated and

testimony can be over hyped. who knows if any of this is real? the chinese often over exaggerate

their powers to the general public in order to promote inspiration and more business! ;0) but

spending ALL of your money and chasing something you do not know for sure to be true, is more

dangerous than putting some solar qi in your belly!

as for karma. if it is so, then you will run into the perfect teacher at the perfect time. the effort with

be effortless. spend a good amount of time training, find a decent local teacher that wont drain your

time or money, and start meditating.

perhaps if you try hard enough, you can meet the spirit of JC or numerous other teachers through

meditation. its like the internet of astral travel!

but finger pointing and loud opinions show that you have not worked hard enough on your own qistagnation, and thats probably why you are not gaining ground. clear your own emotions and

increase your wiring through consistent stance training and meditate a ton. you might find the

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109 No-Mind // Jan 1, 2009

Raj,

I think you dont quite understand whats really going on. Students arent supposed to talk about the

actual practice. Those who do are breaking oath. All I do is help clear the fog thats in Kostas

books. Also, your understanding of karma is not so great.

Martin,

Exactly.

Spartin,

Something to understand is that all methods are not created equal. It doesnt do anyone any good to

train in a certain style of qigong for years and then expect to just cross over to the mo pai because

youll basically be going backwards. Training beforehand in simple meditation is always a benefit to

oneself no matter what. You said you werent good with taking praise but have no qualms with

praising yourself on a forum lol.

EMW,

John is real for starters. Secondly, he doesnt ask money from anyone and he doenst expect anyone

to waste the money to come looking for him just so he can turn them away. The mo pai doesnt have

some funky website you can click on or a phone number to call just you can try and chat with him

beforehand. A local qigong master WILL take your money, happily, they are doing you a service

in teaching you the way ( or so you hope). John will not and has never taken money for healing or

teaching. Kosta on the otherhand has obviously taken money for his book and his teaching, which isagainst oath but whatever. It doenst hurt at all to begin some simple sitting meditation but actually

attempting some sort of circulation could result in some bad habits and also a bit harmful. One of

the reasons mo pai is so effective is that Level One is sitting meditation with the exercise being

accumulation, not circulation.

May 2009 be a great and prosperous year for all

110 Spartan // Jan 1, 2009

Hello, east meets west,I thank you for your words!I dont mean to sound angry or anything like that

.You are right about karma and getting the right teacher at the right time I just found it funny that

people talk about exotic terms But I just want to know if they can do anything other than meditate.I

can feel JC s chi and he is no joke and I can barely feel anything from the people who post things

hear,thats not to say that they cant astro project or do other things .Im saying that It will take them

a very long time to build up any significant chi,and as you build up your chi pressure then you will

become more sensitive to other peoples chi and you will see things in a new way Good luck!

Train smart

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Who would be the one to chastise Jim? You or Sifu Chang? Who is the master?

121 No-Mind // Jan 8, 2009

Raj,

Why do you insist on using Prometheus? You seem to think you know so much about John and hisvisions but if John really wanted what that book said he wanted then why would he allow his spirit

master to control what he does?? After all, John was the lineage holder NOT his spirit master.

Another thing, what makes you think you should get this training??? Go look for a master, maybe

youll find one.

122 Raj // Jan 8, 2009

No Mind,

I do not bear you or the Mopai any malice.

I am just being Devils Advocate. I felt that Brandon was unecessarily chastising Jim. And yes

perhaps I am reading too much into Kostas book but so far that is the majority of the information I

have read regarding Sifu Chang and I am completely unaware as to how John and his spirit master

inter-react.

As for PrometheusI find that story appropriate for the day. We need a Prometheus to come

forward. I myself am seeking a Master but maybe this training is not for me. I am sure if it is not

the training itself would be a good filter to decide as I am sure it requries some committment,

sacrifice and discipline. I still do hope to find a master regardless and practice.

123 No-Mind // Jan 8, 2009

Raj,

I completely agree with you. Brandon has no business speaking down to Jim or any member of the

mo pai, whether ex or current. No one can speak for John but John.

124 Johnson B. // Jan 8, 2009

As I looked over many sites (this, taobums, and many others), I found many other Mopai students

took offense in Jim teaching the Mopai method to other people. John Chang wanted to teach others

and open the Mopai to others, but, something occured a few years back when his master, or a

master who previously held the lineage before, came and reprimanded John Chang for breaking his

oath to his master by teaching the Mopai method to foreigners (non-chinese). After John Chang

closed the Mopai to foreigners, he forbade the Western students from teaching the Mopai method

to anyone else. He used to allow them to teach the 1st level meditation since its not harmful and is

good for your health. However, after closing the doors, he forbade any teachings to non-Chinese.

There were other Mopai students who claimed that Jim is not of level 3 and he certainly is not the

highest level (or second highest) student of Mopai. He did not even pass level 2. He claimed to

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thought one of the exercises he did was for one level (which did not count as a level). Even

someone close to John Chang claimed that John Chang himself said none of the Western students

ever passed level 2.

As to Jim opening up his own Mopai school is indeed a disrespect to John Chang. How can he

teach a school when he himself is not a master of it.

No-Mind, I agree with you that only John Chang can speak for John Chang, but I highly doubt thathe will go online and answer any questions we have. I also feel that if someone is doing something

wrong, then, it is up to us to speak up. Even though I am not a student of Mopai, but there are a

number of students of Mopai that disagree with Jim, and do not think highly of him.

125 Brandon Pearson // Jan 9, 2009

Please forgive me for i meant no disrespect.

i only said these things in regards to Sifu Chang for i thought he was being disrespected

how i come to learn that he has opened his own school of Mo-pai came from a person speaking onthese forums i will keep his name private for his convenience.

i did not wish to speak for John either.

i only said what i said because i am slightly disturbed by Jim for his actions.

i spoke to him on his youtube account and over email

you said he could teach me but he would CHARGE ME a sum of $300+ dollars.

i think chargeing someone to learn these things is wrong.

from what i have read in kostas books i believe Chang thinks it wrong as well.

126 No-Mind // Jan 9, 2009

Sifu is the only person who doesnt charge. Kosta charged. Andreas charged. Heck, Kosta even

made money off of 2 books. It is in your own opinion that you believe it is wrong to charge but do

your school teachers get paid? Is it wrong for them to accept money? What about doctors? Is it

wrong that they get paid aswell? In the world we live today, money is very important to survival.

127 Raj // Jan 9, 2009

Brandon,

If you could learn Neikung for 300 dollars then that would be a great bargain. The cost to attend

just a seminar is easily triple that plus travel costs. If Jim offered to train you for 300 at least to

whatever level he is and you thought that was too much perhaps you are not ready for the true cost

of the training. Maybe consider that the first test of your initiation.. your leap of faith. Consider

traveling to find John Chang or some other master and coming up empty. This has happened before.

I wonder how much Kosta made on those books. Alot more than 300 I think.

Just food for thoughtyou probably just blew an opportunity.

128 No-Mind // Jan 10, 2009


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Johnson,

While I know you mean well, I sincerely doubt you know any mo pai students

129 Johnson B. // Jan 10, 2009

No Mind,

Though I am not affiliated with Mopai, I have been in touch with them. Everything that Ive

written, I got those information from a lot of online postings I read, which were written by many

Mopai students (Andreas, Thunderindo to name a few). I have been interested in John Chang and

the Mopai since a few years ago. I have been following a lot of threads about John Chang and

Mopai. If you have been following the threads since cyberkwoon, wong kit, tao bums, and many

others, you will see the information Ive mentioned.

There was even a student who mentioned that Jim can only teach you the first level, since only John

Chang himself (and no one else) can tell you if you have passed the first level. If you tried the 2ndlevel without passing level 1, then you might get hurt. The standing exercise that Jim might teach

you is not even one of the levels.

I do want to learn the Mopai method, but since the school is closed, I have to respect the decision. It

is very inappropriate to teach or learn this method without the consent of John Chang. It doesnt

matter that you have spent thousands of dollars and a lot of your time learing from John Chang, if

he forbids you to teach then you have to respect it. To do otherwise is pure disrespect. If John

Chang himself is not allowed to teach, who are you (Jim or anyone else) to go against the Mopai

rule.

I think the important lesson from this is John Chang has shown us what human beings are capable

of. This allows us to venture out from our own limitation, and know that something like this is

possible. Though not from John Changs teachings, or the Mopai methods, but Im sure there are

other Neigong school out there where we can learn this.

Forgive me if this might offend someone. I mean no harm.

130 No-Mind // Jan 10, 2009

The important lesson is that we arent in highschool so theres no need for an episode of gossip girls.

How do you know what Jim teachs? Have you actually talked to Jim? Andreasmake a longer

story short by saying theres no need to listen to a single thing he says. Im glad that you have first

hand information from a forum..Thats practically like youve been there yourself. Come onjust

stop JOHNSON. No need for this to continue


please understand my hesitation to pay you the initiation moneyi mean come on try to imagine this from my point of view.

i do not know any of you well..

for all i know you could be frauds trying to get my money.. its extremely common over the internet.


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i want to believe you.. i believe there is a reason i want to learn these things the same reason i have

come across this website and come across you wonderful people

but i just dont wanna be cheated out of my money only to find that you are not who you say at all

and i get nothing out of this.

if i Must pay something.. id rather do it in person..

when i travel to Indonesia i will seek you out..

132 No-Mind // Jan 10, 2009

To my knowledge, neither Jim nor myself are in Indonesia.

133 Raj // Jan 10, 2009

Brandon,

Skepticsm is good and healthy but if you had any doubt that it was Jim you were emailing because

you suspected it could have been a fraud, phony or otherwise perhaps you should not have blasted

Jim publicly.

I understand your dilemna but maybe a little discretion next time would be appropriate.

134 yogip // Jan 11, 2009

Chris,

close this thread down, its getting plain annoying

[Anyone who wishes to discuss site moderation should contact me privately. No need to stick

around if you are annoyed. Note there is a new forumwhere you may post discussion topics of your

own choosing. --Chris]


No.

please dont close this thread down its one of the last ones regarding Mo-pai or john chang..please keep it open i enjoy our conversations

136 No-Mind // Jan 12, 2009

Johnson,

Have you seen the video of Jim? Thats proof that hes PAST level 2.

137 TongKosong // Jan 12, 2009

No-Mind,


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If you do know the testing method of MoPai, then you are absolutely wrong about your claim. The

video PROVES that Jim has not pass level 2. Only students of Mopai know about this fact. If Jim

tells you otherwise, then he is deluding you.

138 No-Mind // Jan 13, 2009

Oh here we go.AGAIN

139 TongKosong // Jan 13, 2009

No-Mind,

You made an erroneous claim. Im just stating the fact. That is all.

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