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http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread39763/pg1robertfenixMember

Mayan End Timeline Corrected

Sorry if this has been posted but I did a search and came up with nothing. So here it is

Several people have discussed the "end of time" as accounted for by the Mayan's. But theyhave the date wrong and here is the corrected IMO date.

The Mayan calendar started in 3113BC at the begining of the 5th Sun. Each Sun period is5,125 years in length so that would bring us to the year 2012 as the "end year"

But the Mayan's used a dual calendar system to keep track of the days. A 365 day solarcalendar and a 260 Sacred calendar the 260 day calendar was based on the orbit of Venus andthe 365 of Earth.

3113BC was the Birth of Venus and the year 2012 is the Death of Venus.

A Venus round is 104 years long consisting of 2 - 52 year solar calendar periods.

The first 52 year period ends when the 365 day solar calendar and the 260 day sacred calendarends on the same day, that day was 6/19/1960. Thus began the final 52 years of "time". If youthen take 365 days and place a date next to each one and run 260 days next to that and yourun them out you will find that the Transit of Venus 6/8/2004 falls at 365 days solar and 200days sacred. Continue to run out this 365 and 200 days and when the 365 solar calendarmeets up with the 260 day sacred calendar you will see that the day is 6/6/2012. Exactly thepredicted date of the closing Transit of Venus.

The Mayan composite calendar is built in 5 segments marking the main "rows" of the datestructure after the 5th segment a new order starts and the starting Sacred day is adjusted by 5days.

for example

the first order of the calendar is 105,210,55,160,5 these are the "end" days at the end of eachsolar calendar.

the next order is 110,215,60,165,10

and the next 115,220,65,170,15

and the next 120,225,70,175,20

and the next 125,230,75,180,25

130,235,80,185,30

135,240,85,190,35

140,245,90,195,40

145,250,95,200,45

150,255,100,205,50

155,260,105,210,55 at (365-260) this marks the end of the 52 year "round"
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the date at 365-260 for the 1st 52 year round was 6/19/1960.

This date should have some historical value.

I made a chart of the entire Mayan Calendar for the 104 year cycle if anyone would like to seeit via email. You can look up your birthdate where it is on the Mayan solar calendar.

Just U2U me.

godservant

posted on 24-3-2004 at 12:11 PM

If this is right, then all of the things I've learned in the last couple of years are starting tomake sense. Several things are pointing to this year, but the mayan's 2012 date was screwingme up.

This'll deserve some research.

ShugoThe Fallen Angel

Maikeru the GryphonWriter-Scholar

posted on 24-3-2004 at 01:26 PM

Same here... I'll have to look into this... and if I get info on it I'll post. No offense though but,I'm not to keen on the date math.

ValhallThe Divine Sibyl

Keeper of the Mystic FishWriter

posted on 24-3-2004 at 07:47 PM

I have done some interesting analyses based on the 12/2012 date. I will recalculate using thisnew date to see how things land.

Meanwhile, can you provide some references to this alternate method?

Thank you for sharing!


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surfupThinking...

Deeply....Member

posted on 24-3-2004 at 09:10 PM

quote:This date should have some historical value.

Nothing much from what I understand.

NaturalDisasterMember

posted on 24-3-2004 at 09:38 PM

i believe that the mayans were onto something, they go by planetary cycles, and we can seethose planets on our own, which means these cycles arent a myth, or propaganda byreligion...i guess what im saying is if an entire civilization can base their existance on earthcycles and planetary cycles...along with drawings of alien beings and crafts...its starting to allmake sense, and why this information has been suppressed for a long time, and only thosewho seek it can gain some of this knowledge. it wil never be taught, because its not christian,or politically correct...evolutionary cycles will take their course.

robertfenixMember

posted on 25-3-2004 at 11:01 AM6-19-1960

The Vatican releases a communication in regards to the Secret of the Third Fatima

The "Snake March" happens in Japan, where 330,000 student protest march to the JapaneseDiet about the US-Japan Security Treaty.

Countless Church dedications and benidictions including Saint Ann's in (New York?)


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ValhallThe Divine Sibyl

Keeper of the Mystic FishWriter

posted on 25-3-2004 at 11:07 AM

I'm looking at the correlations between the dates associated with the Mayan 2012 predictionsand the Biblical predictions based on the Jewish calendar.

I have to tell you I am seeing a lot more synchronicity between a December 2012 date rightnow than I am between a June 2012 date.

I agree that the exact DAY may not be known accurately concerning the Mayan predictions, but

I'm not sure I buy that June is the correct month.

I sure would appreciate you providing some references to this theory. I understand you arespeaking of your own analysis, but do you have any other supporting information?

robertfenixMember

posted on 25-3-2004 at 11:40 AM

The Mayan's viewed Venus as the Sacred Planet. Their calendar system is actually a planetaryorbit guide the tracks the movements of the planets. The general Mayan new about the 91"steps" that marked each day of the four seasons and the knew about the 365 steps around

the four sides of the pyramid that marked the passing of each day. But only the priest knewwhy the 260 day Sacred calendar was important.

Imagine the Mayan pyramid as a giant "solar/planetary dial" with 4 sides and 91 steps on eachside. Since they knew the changing of the season at the start of each 104 year Venus Round

the Mayan authority would start a marker on step 1. The next day the Season marker would goup one step and the solar marker would go directly over one step to the right after the fourthday you would return to the starting side and the fifth day would go up one row. As the daysprogressed the season marker would climb to the top of the pyramid, at the passing of the91st day the marker would stand at the top of the pyramid and offer a sacrafice to the god'sfor the next season and the marker would be placed back on the bottom step of the "second"side. The solar marker would continue its journey around the outer steps of the pyramid until itto reached the top after 365 days have passed, again a sacrafice would be required to returnthe marker to the orginal starting step.This sacrafice would be very special as it would mark

the end of that solar cycle as well as the end of the fourth season. A solar cycle marker wouldthen be moved to the "second" side of the pyramid. Once four solar cycles had been achievedthe date marker would be shifted by one day, this would mark the leap year and the conclusionof this year would require an even more dramatic sacrafice for at the close of this year wouldmark the next set of "five". The priest would keep track of how many solar cycles had passedand based on that could predict solar events, not only Transits of Mercury and Venus but alsoof Solar Eclipses and Lunar Eclipses.

This same system of ratio's was discovered in the (aldonda device ? spelling) off the Greekcoast. The first "computer" that came from the ancient world that is theorized to be able to


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simple. To early cultures attuned to the subtle movements of the sky, precession would nothave been hard to notice.2

The Maya are not generally credited with knowing about the precession of the equinoxes. Butconsidering everything else we know about the amazing sophistication of Mesoamericanastronomy, can we realistically continue to deny them this? Many of the as yet undecipheredhieroglyphs may ultimately describe precessional myths. Furthermore, as I show in my book

Tzolkin: Visionary Perspectives and Calendar Studies, the Long Count is perfectly suited forpredicting future seasonal quarters, indefinitely, and precession is automatically accounted for.Some of the most incredible aspects of Mayan cosmo-conception are just now beingdiscovered. As was the case with the state of Egyptology in the 1870's, we still have a lot tolearn. In addition, Mayanists like Gordon Brotherston (The Book of the Fourth World) considerprecessional knowledge among Mesoamerican cultures to be more than likely.

If we make a standard horoscope chart for December 21st, 2012 A.D., nothing very unusualappears. In this way I was led astray in my search until Linda Schele provided a clue in therecent book Maya Cosmos. Probably the most exciting breakthrough in this book is heridentification of the astronomical meaning of the Mayan Sacred Tree. Drawing from animpressive amount of iconographic evidence, and generously sharing the process by which shearrived at her discovery, the Sacred Tree is found to be none other than the crossing point ofthe ecliptic with the band of the Milky Way. Indeed, the Milky Way seems to have played animportant role in Mayan imagery. For example, an incised bone from 8th century Tikal depictsa long sinking canoe containing various deities. This is a picture of the night sky and the canoeis the Milky Way, sinking below the horizon as the night progresses, and carrying with it deitiesrepresenting the nearby constellations. The incredible Mayan site of Palenque is filled withSacred Tree motifs and references to astronomical events. In their book Forest of Kings, Schele

and Freidel suggested that the Sacred Tree referred to the ecliptic. Apparently that was onlypart of the picture, for the Sacred Tree that Pacal ascends in death is more than just theecliptic, it is the sacred doorway to the underworld. The crossing point of Milky Way and eclipticis this doorway and represents the sacred source and origin. In the following diagram of thewell known sarcophagus carving, notice that the Milky Way tree serves as an extension ofPacal's umbilicus. The umbilicus is a human being's entrance into life, and entrance into deathas well:


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This has been my attempt to fill a vacuum in Mayan Studies, an answer to the why and how ofthe end date of the 13-baktun cycle of the Mayan Long Count. The solution requires a shift inhow we think about the astronomy of the Long Count end date. The strange fact that it occurson a winter solstice immediately points us to possible astronomical reasons, but they are notobvious. We also shouldn't forget the often mentioned fact that the 13-baktun cycle of some5125 years is roughly 1/5th of a precessional cycle. This in itself should have been suggestiveof a deeper mystery very early on. Only with the recent identification of the astronomicalnature of the Sacred Tree has the puzzle revealed its fullness. And once again we are amazedat the sophistication and vision of the ancient New World astronomers, the decendants ofwhom still count the days and watch the skies in the remote outbacks of Guatemala.

This essay is not contrived upon sketchy evidence. It basically rests upon two facts:


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1) the well known end date of the 13-baktun cycle of the Mayan Long Count, which isDecember 21st, 2012 A.D. and

2) the astronomical situation on that day. Based upon these two facts alone, the creators ofthe Long Count knew about and calculated the rate of precession over 2300 years ago. I canconceive of no other conclusion. To explain this away as "coincidence" would only obscure theissue.

For early Mesoamerican skywatchers, the slow approach of the winter solstice sun to theSacred Tree was seen as a critical process, the culmination of which was surely worthy of beingcalled 13.0.0.0.0, the end of a World Age. The channel would then be open through the wintersolstice doorway, up the Sacred Tree, the Xibalba be , to the center of the churning heavens,the Heart of Sky.

robertfenixMember

posted on 2-4-2004 at 03:44 PM

1) the well known end date of the 13-baktun cycle of the Mayan Long Count, which isDecember 21st, 2012 A.D. and

This statement is inaccurate as no-one has the correct start date in gregorian calendar termsfor the start of the Mayan calendar, thus the strapulated date of 12/21/2012 or 12/23/2012 isincorrect.

I used a software program that maps all of the planetary positions for any universal date andtime and then compared that to a 365 day / 260 day date database. The sacred calendar forthe mayan's (260 days) is based on the orbit of Venus. the start of the Mayan calendar iscalled the Birth of Venus. All the periodic cycles for Venus are accounted for and co-incide withVenus Transits as markers for end of each 104 year period. The theory that the Mayan's used a5 baktan set of 20 days is incorrect as that would give you 18.25 months. My database showsthat "our" understanding of calendar dates corresponding to specific season were not important

to the Mayans. Instead they used the "count" method and kept track of where the "count" waswithin the two cycles ie Solar and Sacred. When the two cycles were matched that meant thereis a transit of venus the first in the set being at 365-200 and the last in the set being 365-260,the tranists always fall at the end of a solar calendar year. The end of the solar calendar year,must also then mark the end of the last Sun Cycle (the 5th) this date MUST coincide with anending solar calendar year. As the Birth of Venus was also marked by a Transit of Venus. EachICON for the "set" is representative only as a marker for which of the 5 oriantation sets theyear is currently in. there are 10 sets of 5 plus 2 end years. This making the 52 year "round" atthe end of each 52 year round both calendars must be in sync at the last day. Since Venus isnot always traveling within the same plane as Earth not all Transits of Venus are visable fromEarth.

Additionally there is a gross error in the base set that people quote as the mayan's using.Claiming that 13 is the primary number in their system, they quote as 13,000 and 26,000 to

be master numbers marking the half and end of the Solar Sun Cycles. When in fact the SolarSun Cycles are 5,125 years x 5 = 25,625 years. If you take the date of 3114 as the start of themayan calendar (which is in-correct) and then subtract 5,125 which is the length of the 5thSun. Then you get 2011 not 2012. Since most people quote the Mayan calendar as starting inAugust 12 of the year 3114, then by purely gregorian dating of 5,125 years would put the "lastday of the 5th sun" in August of 2011. IMO the flaw is that most people are making the Mayancalendar more complex then what it was. Knowing that the synchronization of the twocalendars was a highly symbolic event then anything concerning the "end of a cycle" must alsooccur during these events. If you place the end date at 12/21/2012 or 12/23/2012 or even8/12/2012 or 8/12/2011 and then try and locate the Transits of Venus (which we can accuratly


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know to be visable) you will notice that the transits fall on days that would have had nomeaning to the mayan calendars.

I would be more then happy to send you my database along with a log of relevant planetaryevents that supports my statements

lostinspaceMember


Red Shift Astronomy Program alignment dates

With Red Shift you can take a top side view of the planet's orbits around the sun and seewhere a world will be in a future date. I plugged in 6-6-2012 and found Venus and Earth in a

straight line with each other. Venus will cross over the Sun. Next I plugged in 12-21-2012 andfound Mercury and Venus almost in line with each other. The exact date that puts Venus andMercury in line is 12-18-2012. So what is most important, Venus in line with Earth or Mercuryin line with Venus?

Today Venus and Mercury are in line with the Sun.Venus and Earth will be in line with the Sun again 6-9-2004.This has all been done using Red Shift.

It is my opinion that Earth and Venus had different stations, before a great celestial disaster inancient times. Venus may have come closer to earth, after that event in which it left it's moonMercury. The birth of Venus could have started when it became most noticable in the sky whenit came closer.

lostinspaceMember


The death of Venus?

So then could the death of Venus mean that the planet is going back to take its position withMercury? Venus will become dimmer in the sky if moves next to Mercury, not so close to Earthany more.

Earth (7,926 miles(12,756km)) and Venus (7,500 miles (12,100km)) are almost the samediameter. If Mercury is placed as Venus' moon then there's an ideal match with our planetmoon system. Our moon(2,160 miles(3,476km)) is just the right size and distance to cover thesun in a solar eclipse. Could Mercury(3,030 miles(4,880km)) block out the sun in a solareclipse of Venus if they were mated together? Since being closer to the sun, the moon wouldhave to be larger to match the sun's diameter at that distance.


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lostinspaceMember


A fixation with the symbol "+"

Could the crossing point be so significant that so many mysterious cultures honor it?

The Meso Americans were fixated with it and the + is found in many large carved stones. Even

the cross symbol is found on some megalith stones found in the Caribbean down 2200ft.

The Templer Knights and the Masonic order is fixated with the + .(I forgot what they name thissymbol.) Even Christopher Columbus' ship sailed with this symbol. (I think his company wasassociated with the Templer Knights.) These groups are highly known for their secrets. Butwhat secrets did they learn about the ancients? I have read some interesting interpretation ofthe signifcance of the + with this order. It was said that the + represents the "four livingcreatures" pictured around the throne of God. The amazing creatures which have four faces,

one of a lion, one of a bull, one of an eagle, and one of a man. Where Japheth(sdn of Noah)was saved from emminent death when he uttered the divine name out loud, witnessed animage of one of the four living creatures, while a rotating, flaming + was attacting and killinghis enemies. The dagger of his enemy, that would have penetrated his heart was replaced witha tatoo of the flaming + . An inscription read upon the + : No stain of base deceit or thoughtimpure. No bane from Deva's rage or magic lure.

Even Christendom is fixated with the + because they associat it with the cross that Jesus diedon. Its just that they extend the main vertical shaft to make it different.


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AnonymousPoster4Member


June 6th, 2012............

This will be the alignment of Earth, Venus, and the Sun.

Transits occur in pairs 8 years apart, each pair occurring approximately every 120 years.

Dates of Transits of Venus from the 17th century 7th Dec 1631 4th - Dec 16396th June 1761 - 3rd June 17699th Dec 1874 - 6th Dec 18828th June 2004 - 6th June 2012

[Edited on 4-4-2004 by AnonymousPoster4]

SpookyVince

Never fear the questions.Fear the answers.Writer



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You may want to have a look on this:

http://www.mufor.org/maya/index.html

From the MUFOR website. Too bad they apparently stopped activity...

robertfenixMember


Spookyvince, they stopped research on what they were doing because they were making theMayan calendar more complex then what it is.

The calendars they used were handed down to them by a previous civilization that we have norecorded history of, except the huge monuments that were built in Mexico. These include all

the monuments near the Pyramid of the Sun, of the Moon and the Avenue of the Dead.

They were not built by the Mayans, thus the Icon's were not of Mayan creation either.
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here is the full picture of the above plus descriptions. I took it myself

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