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IMechE Aerospace North West

Meeting Minutes

A meeting of the IMechE Aerospace North West committee was held on Monday 5th December 2016 at David Lloyd Club, Chorley. The meeting

commenced at 18:30 till 20:00.

Chairman Paul Gardner

Vice Chairman Arreyhon Alemi

Immediate Past Chairman Euan Mason

Hon Secretary Rebecca Donald-Lopez

Hon Treasurer Manuel Donald-Lopez

Committee members Martin Baxter Ivan Dean

Emma Guy Martin Hyman

Andrew Medd Iain Minton

Thurai Rahulan

Clive Winby

1 ANW ATTENDEES

Arreyhon Alemi Vice Chairman IMechE ANW Martin Baxter BAE SYSTEMS

Ivan Dean Past Chairman IMechE ANW Rebecca Donald-Lopez BAE SYSTEMS / Hon Secretary IMechE ANW

Paul Gardner Safran Nacelles / Chairman IMechE ANW Emma Guy IMechE Business Development Manager

Martin Hyman Business Consultant Andrew Medd Education Advisory Group

Thurai Rahulan University of Salford / Royal Aeronautical Society Clive Winby SILCOMS Ltd.

2 APOLOGIES WERE RECEIVED FROM

Manuel Donald-Lopez BAE SYSTEMS / Hon Treasurer IMechE ANW Iain Minton Safran Nacelles

3 MINUTES FROM THE LAST MEETING

The minutes from the last meeting (5 September 2016) were agreed to be the true and accurate record.

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4 REVIEW OF ACTIONS FROM LAST MEETING

4.1 Martin Baxter to contact Fleetwood Offshore Survival Centre to see if a visit is possible.

Martin contacted the centre and they are happy to host a visit see

section 7.5.

4.2 Paul Gardner to contact friend to determine if other speaker from SpaceX is willing to do a lecture.

Paul Gardner reported that at the moment we are highly unlikely to get a speaker as they are extremely busy but he has asked for a contact.

4.3 Ivan Dean to contact Frank Kirkland to see if he can help

facilitate a visit to Rolls Royce Barnoldswick sites.

ID reported that he had contacted Frank Kirkland see section 7.4.

4.4 Clive Winby to determine if previous EasyJet speaker would

be willing to do a follow up lecture.

Clive was unaware of this action so will chase this up before the next

meeting. Action Carried Over.

4.5 Manuel Donald-Lopez to purchase some gifts for speakers

Action Completed.

4.6 Paul Gardner to confirm date for visit to Velocity Composites

Paul has contacted them and they could do either of the next 2 Friday’s

but this was too soon for us to organise attendees. Paul will propose an event in January and report back. Action Carried Over.

4.7 Martin Hyman to get Speaker to commit to a date for Reaction

Engines lecture.

Martin Hyman reported that he needs to chase this. Action Carried

Over.

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4.8 Paul Gardner to confirm date for visit to Safran Nacelles

Safran Nacelles have agreed to a visit in quarter 1 of 2017. Paul

Gardner to propose a date and report back. Action Carried Over.

5 TREASURERS REPORT

Manuel Donald-Lopez reported the current financial status. The account balance is £3300.53. Since the last meeting £104.00 was

spent on the September Committee Meeting, £161.80 on gifts for speakers and £357.60 on the Autogyro Lecture. A grant payment of

£1500 has been received.

See appendix 2.

6 FEEDBACK FROM REGIONAL/ HQ MEETING

Paul Gardener reported that there is a big drive at HQ for the divisions, including the Aerospace Division to cut expenses. It was noted that HQ

recognise the work that our centre does and how much we provide members and it is seen as providing good value for money. We provide

a good number of good events at a low cost to IMechE; this therefore

offsets our meeting costs. Even so, our centre has had a budget cut; £1500 was received compared to £2000 last year. A report has been

completed comparing what groups and divisions do v’s commercial areas of IMechE. There have been hints of a big shake up.

The UAS Challenge will need to be self-financing next year. The Aerospace division put on a fee paying event this year, however

only 9 paying delegates attended, with 12 speakers. The event did break even but even so, 9 paying attendees was seen as very

disappointing. Membership is growing however so is the number of retired members

and the proportion of non-paying or student members. It was reported that the training element of IMechE is not reaching

what it should. A presentation from the Members Outreach Committee described a

piece of software that has been designed in order to facilitate joint

events; however it has not considered joint institution events. Here in the North West many events are already joint committee, area or

institution events. A couple of events are on the table for the division next year: AMSTAC

are organising a composites event and the AGM will be combined with a lecture on the history and future of the Trent Engine.

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7 EVENTS & ACTIVITIES PROGRAMME - 2016/ 2017

It was decided that the preferred day for events to be held is a Tuesday.

7.1 Auto Gyro Lecture – Event Review by Manuel Donald-Lopez

Autogyros: where they came from and where they are going

The event was held on 21st September at the Mitchel and Kenyan Lecture Theatre, Foster Building UCLAN Preston

The speaker was Barry Jones who is an ex-army air corps helicopter pilot and with roles including Blue Eagles display pilot, EW Instructor,

Weapons Instructor and Flight commander to Lynx OCU. The first part of the talk was a brief background history of the speaker.

Next Barry gave an overview of the history of autogyros how they

worked and how they were different to helicopters. While in the army Barry attempted to circumnavigate the globe in an

autogyro. The attempt was called Expedition Global Eagle. The next part of the talk was a walkthrough of this record attempt and an

overview of why it was abandoned. Next Barry talked about the autogyros that his company had developed

and the funding routes taken so far. The talk was very interesting and generated a lot of questions from the

audience. 30 people attended the event.

I was not impressed by UCLAN who gave a price for room hire and catering and then after acceptance sent a contract that added on hire of

IT and microphones which cost £70 including VAT. This cost was avoided by using laptops and projectors and a hastily manufactured

projector stand which was needed due to the room layout.

Review by Manuel Donald-Lopez

7.2 Velocity Composites

Date: TBC Late January Venue: Velocity Composites, AMS Technology Park, Billington Road,

Burnley, BB11 5UB Time: Friday Afternoon

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Paul has contacted them and they could do either of the next 2 Friday’s but this was too soon for us to organise attendees. Paul will propose a

date of late January and report back asap.

ACTION: Paul Gardner to confirm date (ideally late January) for

visit to Velocity Composites asap.

7.3 Kaman Tooling Burnley

A visit to Kaman’s Tooling site in Burnley has been offered.

Martin Hyman reported that he’s been in contact with Mike Howarth at Kaman and he has agreed to a visit to their tooling facility.

Action – Martin Hyman to fix a date for the last week in February

(20th to 24th Feb).

7.4 Rolls Royce Barnoldswick

Ivan Dean reported that he had contacted Frank Kirkland and that he

has agreed to a visit, however for the group size to be more manageable it would need limiting to around 6 to 8 people. Mike

Wallace is the contact, and we are looking at next year to hold this event.

Action - Ivan Dean to go back to Mike Wallace and fix a date for the tour in late March (20 to 31st March).

7.5 Helicopter Rig Fleetwood

Proposed visit to Fleetwood Offshore Survival Centre (FOSC), which is a leading provider of safety, survival and fire training to both the

Merchant Navy and the Offshore Oil & Gas Industries. The centre has a

Helicopter Underwater Escape Training (HUET) simulator at the facility.

Martin Baxter contacted the centre and they are happy to host a visit

and want to know, how many will be attending and when we would like it. It was decided that after Christmas would be best and that a day

visit would be preferable but we will fit in with their requirements. Action - Martin Baxter to fix a date for the visit in late April 2017

(18th to 28th).

7.6 Reaction Engines

Date: TBC Late May ideally 22nd to 26th Venue: Manchester University

Time: TBD Martin Hyman reported that he needs to chase this.

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ACTION: Martin Hyman to get speaker to commit to a date (ideally late May 22nd to 26th). Manuel Donald-Lopez to arrange

room once date is known.

7.7 Met Office Lecture / Easy Jet / FAAM

Date: June/ July / Sept Venue: Manchester Airport Hotel TBC / Tour on-board FAAM

Time: 18:00 for 18:30

Speaker: Mr. Ed. Stone (A scientist with the met. office working in the aircraft observations group)

Title: The Weather, Volcanic Ash and Other Aviation Hazards Organiser: Martin Hyman

Martin has been in contact with Rachel Deakin and proposed the with a

possible hotel venue near Manchester Airport. The hotel costing is £250 for the room with tea and coffee charged per head.

It was suggested that we could hold a combined event with the Met

Office lecture and EasyJet to discuss the results of volcanic ash test program and successful development of the AVOID (Airborne Volcanic

Object Identifier and Detector) sensor. A side topic of use of drones from maintenance inspection was also suggested.

Action - Clive Winby to determine if previous speaker from Easy

Jet would be willing to do a joint follow up lecture with the Met Office / FAAM.

Martin Hyman reported that Met Office can’t commit to a date until after

April next year. It was decided to put this in the programme for June/July/Sept 2017.

Action - Martin Hyman to check with Met Office and see if they would be willing to do a joint event with Easy Jet / FAAM. Also

mention proposed date June/July/Sept 2017.

Thurai Rahulan stated that he had a contact involved with the FAAM aircraft. Guy Gratton is based at Cranfield. The aircraft was recently at

Manchester. Action - Thurai Rahulan to contact Guy Gratton and ask if/when

the aircraft will be back in Manchester and if we can have a tour

and lecture. If the aircraft is not available TR will ask if Guy will

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present a lecture. Also ask if a joint lecture with Met Office & Easy Jet would be a problem.

8 EVENT WISH LIST

The following possible events were discussed at the meeting:

8.1 Wind Turbine Blades

Andrew Medd proposed an addition to our wish list of lectures. He suggested an event on Wind Turbine Blades as Siemens have recently

opened a factory in Hull.

8.2 UAS Challenge

Paul Gardner has asked if the ‘UAS Challenge’ would be willing to come and give a talk, they are willing but no date has yet been defined. Paul

proposed that one of the university teams plus someone from the IMechE team attend.

Action – Paul Gardner to fix a date with ‘UAS Challenge’ for this event in late October.

Thurai Rahulan informed the committee that he knows Rashid Ali, who

was one of the instigators of the UAS Challenge within IMechE. Rashid

is based in Coventry University. Action – Thurai Rahulan to find out if Rashid Ali is still involved

and if he would be willing to give a talk. The proposed date for this event was early October.

8.3 Other ideas

For a list of other ideas see appendix 3

9 ANY OTHER BUSINESS

9.1 North West Region Annual Dinner 2017

Andrew Medd reported that the North West Region Annual Dinner 2017 will be

held on Friday 31st March 2017 at the Hilton Hotel Manchester. It will be a joint

event with IET and Chemicals.

9.2 Meeting dates for 2017

Action – Rebecca Donald-Lopez to compile the meeting dates for

2017 and circulate.

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9.3 Engineering Your Future

Andrew Medd asked if the new Training Facility at BAE Samlesbury was open to the public, as EYF are looking for a new larger cheap venue.

Action – Rebecca Donald-Lopez to action to get a contact for AM.

10 DATE OF NEXT MEETING

Next meeting: Monday 23rd January 2017– at David Lloyd Club, Whittle le

Woods, Chorley at 18:00 for 18:30.

11 DATE OF PROPOSED IMECHE COMMITTEE MEETINGS 2017

Monday 23 January 2017

Monday 6 March 2017

Monday 24 April 2017

Monday 22 May 2017

Monday 26 June 2017

Monday 4 September 2017

Monday 23 October 2017

Monday 4 December 2017

Minutes taken by: Rebecca Donald-Lopez

Hon Secretary IMechE Aerospace North West 5th December 2016

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Appendix 1

IMechE ANW 2017 Programme

* TUESDAY is the preferred day for events to be held

DATE TIME VENUE TITLE LECTURER ORGANISER

TBD

Late January

2017

Friday

afternoon

Velocity

Composites,

Billington Rd

Burnley

Visit to

Velocity

Composites

NA Paul Gardner

TBD

Last week

(20 to 24) in

February

2017

Kaman

Tooling

Burnley

BB10 2FT

(SAT Nav:

BB10 2TP)

Visit to

Kaman Tooling

Burnley

NA Martin Hyman

Friday

31 March

2017

Hilton Hotel

Manchester

North West

Region Annual

Dinner

NA Region

TBD

Late March

2017

Rolls Royce

Barnoldswick

Visit to

Rolls Royce

Barnoldswick

NA Ivan Dean

TBD

Late April

2017

FOSC

Fleetwood

FY7 8JZ

Visit to

Fleetwood

Offshore

Survival

Centre (FOSC)

NA Martin Baxter

TBD

22 to 26

May 2017

18:00 for

18:30

Manchester

University

Reaction

Engines

Mark Wood CEO

or New Marketing

Manager

Martin Hyman

June / Sept

2017

18:00 for

18:30

Marriot

Hotel,

Manchester

Airport

Met Office

Lecture Mr. Ed. Stone Martin Hyman

Oct 2017

18:00 for

18:30 UAS Challenge

Talk

Paul Gardner

/ Thurai

Rahulan

Nov 2017

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Appendix 2

ANW Finances

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Manuel Donald-Lopez Hon Treasurer IMechE Aerospace North West

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Appendix 3

Wish List of Future Events

– Clive Winby WIP

– Next generation supersonic aircraft & Concorde Visit

– Aviation viewing park

– Aviation viewing park

– accidents in the North Sea (RAeS to cover in February)

-icing

w airframe

– Oxford Aviation