T. Jordan and O. Jedicke, KIT 1 Draft MoM GM01 V180516 Minutes of 1 st PRESLHY General Meeting – Kick-off Meeting Date: 16/17.-20.04.2018 Venue: KIT Campus North; Hermann-von-Helmholtz-Platz 1 76344 Eggenstein-Leopoldshafen, Germany; Building 419 Room 103/104 Content Participants:............................................................................................................................................. 3 Agenda of the Meeting............................................................................................................................ 4 Minutes of the CC Preparation to the Kick-Off Meeting PRESLHY 16 th April 2018; Coordination Committee Meeting, 18:00 – 21:30 ........................................................................................................ 5 Minutes of the Kick-Off Meeting PRESLHY (All presentations available via PRESLHY website linked to events) 17 th April 2018 Karlsruhe KIT Campus North ............................................................................. 5 Welcome and introduction to the KIT Campus North by Thomas Jordan .......................................... 5 Introduction to the objectives of PRESLHY by Thomas Jordan (KIT) ................................................... 5 Administrative, Financials and Official Reporting to PRESLHY by Olaf Jedicke (KIT)........................... 6 Introduction to the Phenomena Oriented Work Packages ................................................................. 6 Introduction to the objectives of Work Package 3 by Alexandros Venetsanos (NCSRD)................ 6 Introduction to the objectives of Work Package 4 by Simon Coldrick (HSE) .................................. 7 Introduction to the objectives of Work Package 5 by Mike Kuznetsov (KIT) .................................. 7 Administrative and Financial Aspects - Nora Ovcharova (PO FCH-JU) ................................................ 7 Introduction to the objectives of Work Package 6 - Donatella Cirrone (Ulster) ................................. 8 LH2 Infrastructure - Simon Jallais (Air Liquide) ................................................................................... 8 Survey of RCS and Best Practices for Liquide Hydrogen - Andrei Tchouvelev (HySafe) ...................... 9 Minutes of the Kick-Off Meeting PRESLHY 18 th April 2018 Excursion DLR Lampoldshausen / Visit of large scale LH2 facilities......................................................................................................................... 10 Minutes of the Kick-Off Meeting PRESLHY (presentations available via PRESLHY website linked to events) Thursday 19 th April 2018 Karlsruhe KIT Campus North ............................................................ 11 Welcome and introduction to the KIT Campus North - Thomas Jordan (KIT) ................................... 11 State of the Art Analysis - Simon Jallais (Air Liquide) ........................................................................ 11 LH2 PIRT Exercice - Simon Jallais (Air Liquide) .................................................................................. 12 Workshop on Optical and Electrostatic Measurement chaired by Ernie Reinecke (HySafe) ........... 12 Laboratory Tour and H2 Fueling Station Visit ................................................................................... 13 Minutes of the Kick-Off Meeting PRESLHY (presentations available via PRESLHY website linked to events) Friday 20 th April 2018 Karlsruhe KIT Campus North ................................................................. 14 Welcome and introduction to the Agenda of the day - Thomas Jordan (KIT) .................................. 14 Feedback of Advisors......................................................................................................................... 14 Feedback of Advisor Andrei Tchouvelev ....................................................................................... 14 Feedback of Advisor Karl Verfondern............................................................................................ 14
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Minutes of 1st PRESLHY General Meeting – Kick-off Meeting Date: 16/17.-20.04.2018 Venue: KIT Campus North; Hermann-von-Helmholtz-Platz 1 76344 Eggenstein-Leopoldshafen, Germany; Building 419 Room 103/104
Agenda of the Meeting ............................................................................................................................ 4
Minutes of the CC Preparation to the Kick-Off Meeting PRESLHY 16th April 2018; Coordination Committee Meeting, 18:00 – 21:30 ........................................................................................................ 5
Minutes of the Kick-Off Meeting PRESLHY (All presentations available via PRESLHY website linked to events) 17th April 2018 Karlsruhe KIT Campus North ............................................................................. 5
Welcome and introduction to the KIT Campus North by Thomas Jordan .......................................... 5
Introduction to the objectives of PRESLHY by Thomas Jordan (KIT) ................................................... 5
Administrative, Financials and Official Reporting to PRESLHY by Olaf Jedicke (KIT) ........................... 6
Introduction to the Phenomena Oriented Work Packages ................................................................. 6
Introduction to the objectives of Work Package 3 by Alexandros Venetsanos (NCSRD) ................ 6
Introduction to the objectives of Work Package 4 by Simon Coldrick (HSE) .................................. 7
Introduction to the objectives of Work Package 5 by Mike Kuznetsov (KIT) .................................. 7
Administrative and Financial Aspects - Nora Ovcharova (PO FCH-JU) ................................................ 7
Introduction to the objectives of Work Package 6 - Donatella Cirrone (Ulster) ................................. 8
LH2 Infrastructure - Simon Jallais (Air Liquide) ................................................................................... 8
Survey of RCS and Best Practices for Liquide Hydrogen - Andrei Tchouvelev (HySafe) ...................... 9
Minutes of the Kick-Off Meeting PRESLHY 18th April 2018 Excursion DLR Lampoldshausen / Visit of large scale LH2 facilities......................................................................................................................... 10
Minutes of the Kick-Off Meeting PRESLHY (presentations available via PRESLHY website linked to events) Thursday 19th April 2018 Karlsruhe KIT Campus North ............................................................ 11
Welcome and introduction to the KIT Campus North - Thomas Jordan (KIT) ................................... 11
State of the Art Analysis - Simon Jallais (Air Liquide) ........................................................................ 11
LH2 PIRT Exercice - Simon Jallais (Air Liquide) .................................................................................. 12
Workshop on Optical and Electrostatic Measurement chaired by Ernie Reinecke (HySafe) ........... 12
Laboratory Tour and H2 Fueling Station Visit ................................................................................... 13
Minutes of the Kick-Off Meeting PRESLHY (presentations available via PRESLHY website linked to events) Friday 20th April 2018 Karlsruhe KIT Campus North ................................................................. 14
Welcome and introduction to the Agenda of the day - Thomas Jordan (KIT) .................................. 14
Feedback of Advisors ......................................................................................................................... 14
Feedback of Advisor Andrei Tchouvelev ....................................................................................... 14
Feedback of Advisor Karl Verfondern............................................................................................ 14
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Feedback of Advisor Arnaud ......................................................................................................... 14
Feedback of Advisor Ethan Hecht ................................................................................................. 15
Feedback of Advisor Trygve Skjold ................................................................................................ 15
Plan for data management, by Matthias Razum (KIT/FIZ) ................................................................ 15
Next Meetings ....................................................................................................................................... 16
Annex – Signed Participant List ............................................................................................................. 17
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Participants: Nr Family Name First Name Company Email Role
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Agenda of the Meeting
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Minutes of the CC Preparation to the Kick-Off Meeting PRESLHY 16th April 2018; Coordination Committee Meeting, 18:00 – 21:30
- Discussion on general meeting Tuesday to Friday preparations (general course, schedule and planning)
- Understanding of content to be presented during Kick-Off Meeting related to the single work packages of PRESLHY (by work package leaders)
Minutes of the Kick-Off Meeting PRESLHY (All presentations available via PRESLHY website linked to events) 17th April 2018 Karlsruhe KIT Campus North Start 9:05 - End 17:30
Welcome and introduction to the KIT Campus North - Thomas Jordan (KIT) - Round of introduction of participants (see list of participants above and in Annex) - Approval of agenda (in details also concerning meeting points and schedule of planned visits
at KIT laboratories and DLR Lampoldshausen)
Introduction to the objectives of PRESLHY - Thomas Jordan (KIT) (for details see presentation)
o State of the art o Experimental program o Suitable models and engineering correlations o Enhanced recommendations for safe design and operation o Support international standards o Enhanced state of the art
- General approach, course of execution and outreach of PRESLHY - Governance of PRESLHY and external network (apart from advisory board) - Introduction to the advisory board members - Short introduction on status of project (deliverables and milestones)
o Explanations to the “late” Kick-off Meeting
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o Project website online and running (to be reported by deliverables). Project website structure and navigation. Crosslinks to be installed e.g. hydrogen tools. Work package leader will have a special subdomain and responsible for the updates of their respective work package. Short introduction to website features (e.g. event calendar, newsletters, blogs)
o RCS analysis delayed effected by delayed Kick-off Meeting o State of the art analysis delayed o LH2 description of installation o LH2 research priorities workshop (located in Buxton) with focus on liquid hydrogen
and its safety aspects o Phenomena identification and ranking tables (analysis and prioritisation of
phenomena related to the experimental course)
Administrative, Financials and Official Reporting to PRESLHY by Olaf Jedicke (KIT) (for details see presentation)
o State of the art contractual documents (where to find contractual documents) o Consortium Agreement (not fully signed yet) o Financial Figures, pre-financing and calculation o Reporting documents and reporting via ECAS o How to report (continuous reporting procedure via ECAS)
Introduction to the Phenomena Oriented Work Packages
Introduction to the objectives of Work Package 3 by Alexandros Venetsanos (NCSRD) (for details see presentation)
- Introduction to the objectives of work package 3 - Experimental matrix (small scale multiphase release, pool of LH2, rainout tests and variation
(reserve experiments)) o Objectives tackled (phenomena) o Investigations to be done o Variations and range of variables (needs to get fine-tuned in conjunction with
suggestions by the advisory board and other groups included o Number of tests to be done (variations) o Partners responsible and collaboration o Test facilities used for experiments (KIT, HSE)
- Simulation matrix (tasks divided to the partners) - Schedule of experiments related to the complete project durations - Deliverables covered by work package 3
Comments and remarks:
• HSE expects problems concerning the scheduled experiments due to weather conditions • Expertise and knowledge about LNG could help also in LH2
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• Pre-simulation have to start very soon and finished within next two months to define variables and variations of experiments (interaction between simulation and experiments)
• Experimental program visible to DLR (as expertise centre related to LH2 and its use)
Introduction to the objectives of Work Package 4 by Simon Coldrick (HSE) (for details see presentation)
- Introduction to the objectives of work package 4 (understanding the impacts) - Key phenomena (e.g. electrostatic charge generation, ignitions, flammability, etc.) - Schedule of deliverables - Understanding “theory and analysis” (task 4.1) - Research and priority workshop on hydrogen safety - Understanding “simulation” (task 4.2) - Understanding “experiments” (task 4.3) - Experiments to be provided and executed (E4.1 , E4.2electrostatic ignition in a cold jet, E4.3
electrostatic ignition in a cold plume, E4.4 ignition of a spill of LH2, E4.5 ignition of H2/condensed O2 phase)
- Introduction into technical team at HSE
Comments and remarks:
• “backing” of experiments and variables by simulations done by Ulster • There is some publication available related to the experiments to support the development
of knowledge
Introduction to the objectives of Work Package 5 by Mike Kuznetsov (KIT) (for details see presentation)
- Introduction to the objectives of work package 5 (understanding the impacts) - Introduction experimental facilities to be used for the planned experiments - Introduction to the test procedure and expected results (pressure dynamic) - Planned interaction between results expected and numerical simulations - Experimental data analysis (facing nitrogen as substance) - State of the art report including knowledge gaps - Simulations to be done and phenomena to be considered (related databases) - Facilities to be used for experiments
Administrative and Financial Aspects - Nora Ovcharova (PO FCH-JU) (for details see presentation)
- Introduction to the FCH-JU and its boards and constitutions - Grant Agreement (GA) core documents and its 6 annexes
o Details on the core Grant Agreement (part A and part B) o Amendments to the Grant Agreement
- Continuous reporting and project monitoring
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- Periodic reporting to the project (normally two reporting periods) o Reporting within 60 days (after month 18 of project due to 36 months project
duration) o Approval and acceptance of period report (principles)
- Midterm review to the project - Knowledge management (technology monitoring) - Programme review days (PRD) - Communication and dissemination (name the funding as acknowledgement) - Open access to publications - Update project picture, content and objectives via FCH-JU website - Introduction to the financial reporting (eligibility of reported costs) - Payments done and expected to be done to PRESLHY whole project lifetime - Detailed explanations to the cost positions especially personnel costs and requirements for
reporting (record) efforts used for the project (timesheet tables) (6 major requirements which needs to get expressed by the time tables)
- Information on subcontracting, third parties etc., incomes and audits
Introduction to the objectives of Work Package 6 - Donatella Cirrone (Ulster) (for details see presentation)
- Introduction to the objectives of work package 6. Objectives to the dissemination and
exploitation activities are: o Handbook chapter LH2 o Guidelines concerning use of LH2 o Recommendations for RCS o Engineering correlations and tools (novel engineering tools related to LH2) o White paper (general economics and safety to LH2)
- Dissemination Conference (probably in parallel to the ICHS and/or priority research workshop)
Remarks and Comments:
There are some inconsistencies between milestones and deliverables (tables)
LH2 Infrastructure - Simon Jallais (Air Liquide) (for details see presentation)
- Description of the infrastructures (provided and used by Air Liquide) for storing LH2 - Problems concerning the distribution of gaseous hydrogen and the advantages compared to
H2 gas (250bar storage at trailer and 350bar trailer concerning the logistic and number of trailers necessary for delivery)
- Operation of LH2 Trailers (procedure and drawbacks) - LH2 Trailers (presenting technical specifics)
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- LH2 based filling stations, different examples (presenting technical specifics) - Conclusions: Needs to improve knowledge of LH2 accidental behaviour, to provide adapted
RCS to use hydrogen as a safe energy carrier in public areas
Remarks and Comments:
• Safety distances and regulations in this concern!? • Explanations to the vertical and horizontal installation of vessels • Operating trucks and storage vessels in residential areas
Survey of RCS and Best Practices for Liquide Hydrogen - Andrei Tchouvelev (HySafe)
- Stage setting (motivation and areas concerned) - PRESLHY RCS goals (international standard will be developed appears ambitious) - List of priorities and highest risk scenarios are needed - Some “visual” potential RCS priority topics get presented and discussed more details on the
problems and potential failures (trailers, refilling stations, vessels, etc.) - RCS first recommendations
o Separation distance o Hazardous areas o Vent stacks design for cold gas venting o LH2 transport and transfer
- International Standard ISO 13984 Canada “Liquide Hydrogen – Land Vehicle Refilling …” - Critical comparison of different existing RCS on international level (US and Europe)
Details are included in his presentation, which is available from the event website.
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Minutes of the Kick-Off Meeting PRESLHY Wednesday 18th April 2018 Excursion DLR Lampoldshausen Visit of large scale LH2 facilities Start 10:15 - End 15:45 (Excluding transfer to Lampoldshausen and back to Karlsruhe)
DLR representatives presented an overview on the history and general activities of the DLR site Lampoldshausen. In the subsequent tour through the exhibition the liquid hydrogen related objects were highlighted and the different rocket test stands with their capacities were explained.
After the lunch break the visiting group visited the different test stands with the different LH2 storage, transfer and venting devices.
An interesting aspect was the flaring strategy and the thermal power of the huge flares. Propane torches are used to make sure that any vented hydrogen is ignited at the vent outlet. The radiative heat load is so strong that with the initial stack design the plastic covers of the street lamps nearby melted.
Another interesting aspect is, that under special conditions when during the rocket motor tests an unwanted ignition occurs hydrogen is used for extinguishing the resulting fire. Evidently, if sufficient hydrogen is available it shows some favourable properties (heat conductivity and capacity) for extinguishing fires, if rich hydrogen concentrations may be achieved reliably.
After the tour a final presentation on the hydrogen project H2orizon was provided by the PRESLHY advisor Schäfer, operational manager of the DLR site. The plan is to use wind electricity from a nearby wind park to electrolyse hydrogen for the local demand. The project involves industry partners from the private electricity sector and demonstrates an early business case for hydrogen, however under special conditions (direct line from wind park to electrolyser, strong local demand, etc…)
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Minutes of the Kick-Off Meeting PRESLHY (presentations available via PRESLHY website linked to events) Thursday 19th April 2018 Karlsruhe KIT Campus North Start 9:05 - End 17:30
Welcome and introduction to the KIT Campus North - Thomas Jordan (KIT)
- Approval Agenda dedicated 19th April and introduction of further attendees (see list of attendees)
- Explanations and instructions to the laboratory excursion internal KIT (afternoon session) and evening event (conference dinner)
State of the Art Analysis - Simon Jallais (Air Liquide) - Structure of analysis according to the description of action (DoA) to PRESLHY - Release and mixing phenomena (available results arising from past experiments)
o Short list of experiments o Weak points and knowledge gaps (e.g. thermodynamically conditions are not well
described and clear). List of knowledge gaps addressing release and mixing phenomena
o Comparison with CFD simulation or 2D modelling difficult o Introduction to scientific publications ordered by categories
- Ignition phenomena o Flammability of hydrogen mixtures at low temperatures o Electrostatic charging and ignition o Ignition of LH2 / condensed (solid) O2 (past experience and facts)
- Electrostatic charging and ignition based on the electrostatic charging appears as an open field of science
- Open question: How to modify stacks/vents to avoid unwanted ignition - Cryogenic jet fires
o Experimental results (small scale experiments) appears understandable and sufficient also compared to simulation
- Pool fires o Assuming similar behaviour as classical fuels (less experiments)
- Combustion phenomena o Deflagration fundamental properties o Flame speed and flame propagation regime o Detonation cell size o Unobstructed unconfined VCE o LH2 BLEVE or LH2 tank failure (no available experience) o Rapid fast transition (no experience about RPT according LH2). In principle, there
appear 3 types of RPT events to be considered, spontaneous, delayed and triggered RPT
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- List of remaining knowledge gaps (missing specific information about laminar and turbulent flames, e.g. speeds and acceleration, critical expansion etc.)
LH2 PIRT Exercice - Simon Jallais (Air Liquide) - Structure of table, necessities and categories (listed as follows)
o Level of maturity of engineering modelling o Level of maturity of CFD modelling o Availability of experimental data (from experiments) o Criticity for enabling LH2 applications and use in populated areas o Scoring and deviations and article references (also comments and remarks)
Drafting and modifying (detailed update) the PIRT list in direct collaboration with attendees addressing the above mentioned categories.
Workshop on Optical and Electrostatic Measurement chaired by Ernie Reinecke (HySafe)
- History of HySafe Workshops (themes and topics) - Agenda of workshop and list of presentations
o Optical measurement techniques o Investigations of electrostatic effects
- Presentation by Sandia National Laboratory (Optical measurement techniques to visualize
gas flows) o Different options in optical measurement techniques, its application, limitation and
usability for different problems concerning hydrogen gas and others o Emphasis given to Raman spectroscopy o General questions and remarks and discussion on the usability
- Presentation by Natascha Kotchourko (Schlieren measurement techniques to visualize gas flows)
o Gaseous jets in POV ray (refraction parameter) o Experiments and characterisation of influences of droplets (size and amount of
droplets) o General questions and remarks and discussion on the usability o Advantage of measurement technique is cheap and easy to apply to different
experiments - Presentation Joachim Grune (Pro Science) Shadowgraphy
o Measurement technique “shadowgraphy” its functionality and application to make hydrogen gas and its extension visible
o Different scientific applications and performance o General questions and remarks and discussion on the usability
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o Overview accidents in industry initiated by electrostatic effects (discharging) o Ignition energies and effects (spark energy)
- Presentation Phillip Hooker (HSE) Electrostatic measurements o Some overview of charging effects and basic electrostatics (charging of liquids) o Physical constants addressing electrostatic behaviour and parameters o Proposed experiments to measure electrostatic behaviour of cold hydrogen gas o Potential issues to be considered
- Presentation (Pro Science) Electrostatic measurements o Field mill principles, functionalities and potential applications in experiments o Experimental setup and details on equipment o Pre results of some experiments with nitrogen actually brought up non explainable
results
Laboratory Tour and H2 Fueling Station Visit Start 16:00 – End 17:40
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Minutes of the Kick-Off Meeting PRESLHY (presentations available via PRESLHY website linked to events) Friday 20th April 2018 Karlsruhe KIT Campus North Start 9:05 - End 14:45
Welcome and introduction to the Agenda of the day - Thomas Jordan (KIT) - Approval Agenda dedicated 20th April and introduction of further attendees (see list of
attendees) - Explanations and instructions to the laboratory excursion internal KIT (afternoon session) and
evening event (conference dinner)
Feedback of Advisors
Feedback of Advisor Andrei Tchouvelev - Criticality in use of LH2 and applications in public areas is an important aspect also
concerning automotive industry and needed infrastructure - Process on discussing experimental details and execution is important because a few thing
could be done wrong or insufficient - RCS important, has to be taken into account anyhow - Expanding the group of experts could be important (none European experts) - Global relevance is important for the work package leaders - Practical relevance to the experimental program - What are LH2 relevant RCS and conditions to the use of LH2 - Specific tasks (help to improve HyRam and directly to regulators)
Feedback of Advisor Karl Verfondern - PIRT (suggestion to do a comparison of list already prepared in the past concerning
phenomena and activities to harmonise) - Release on LH2 on different grounds (amounts planned to small for effects and investigate
the pool behaviour) - Data on the boundary conditions are most important for modellers (CFD); Ground and
meteorological conditions play an important role concerning uncertainties - Grounding Trailers (conductivity) is important (special concrete, what are the material
specifications) Should get presented in literature - Test with cryogen gases should probably expanded beyond LH2 to nitrogen and helium etc. - Over-pressure and ignition delay time seem to be important parameters - Japanese executed some interesting experiments in 1980 (violent reactions) - Clarification on the use of terms (terminology of wording) should be clarified (e.g.
vaporisation vs evaporation)
Feedback of Advisor Arnaud Higler - Critical accident has to be avoided by doing all what can be done - What are the realistic use cases of LH2 (practical use)
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- Quick results (based on a minimum work on university site means clear experimental program)
- HSSE Health Safety Security Environment
Key issues:
• Applications Ships/Boats by 2020 • Leading by example (HSSE equal Health/Safety/Security/Environment)
Feedback of Advisor Ethan Hecht - Data management and sharing mechanism is important as well as quality of data - Good measurement techniques (controlled by clear and well defined pre-definitions of
conditions) - Reconnections between experimentators and modellers - Relevance of phenomena (phenomena should get identified most exactly) - Warm up of LH2 and mixtures (parameters should get measured exactly)
Key issues:
• Data sharing and management • Data quality • Relevance (e.g. Temperature range)
Feedback of Advisor Trygve Skjold - Modelling point of view (boundary conditions) - Invite modellers for modelling based on experimental results - Flashing and what will happens in time - Upscaling of experiments - Interaction with regulators concerning RCS to include them probably also as member in the
advisory board - Engineering tools (e.g. for maritime applications) - Potential consequences (as a risk tool) - EnableH2 project (airbus) to develop synergies
Key issues:
• BC control • Maximise inventory • Open up for benchmarking exercises (e.g. modelling phenomena by CFD) • Selection of appropriate RCS + RCS contacts (persons) for example maritime standards • Risk definitions requires consequence evaluation
Plan for data management, by Matthias Razum (KIT/FIZ) Mr. Razum presented the general aspects of data management and the services offered by KIT/FIZ. Further details and required elements of a FAIR plan for data management are reflected in his presentations, which are available from the event website.
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Actions
Action No What Who When* GM01.1 Provide explanation for delayed kick-off
meeting Jordan 30 April
GM01.2 D12 RCS analyses to be uploaded by end of May and reviewed by mid June
Tchouvelev/ Jordan
15 June
GM01.3 D13 State-of-the-Art to be uploaded by end of May and reviewed by mid June
Jallais/ Jordan
15 June
GM01.4 D14 LH2 installation description to be uploaded by end of May and reviewed by mid June
Jallais/ Venetsanos
15 June
GM01.5 Finalise and distribute voting sheets for PIRT/workshop
Jallais 1 July
GM01.6 Evaluate PIRT responses Jallais 18 September
GM01.7 Transfer list of milestones on the website Jordan 30 April (*where there is not year given explicitly, 2018 is implied)
Next Meetings
Type When* Where Who Site visit 18 September INERIS premises, Paris, France Weinberger Research Priorities Workshop
18 September HSL premises, Buxton, UK Markert, Hooker
2nd General Meeting 9-11 October AirLiquide premises, Paris, France Jallais (*where there is not year given explicitly, 2018 is implied)
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Annex – Signed Participant List
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