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First Draft Meeting Agenda

NFPA Technical Committee On Fire Doors and Windows

(FDW-AAA)

November 13-14, 2013 Doubletree Hotel and Suites

Pittsburgh, PA

1. Call meeting to order. Call meeting to order by the Chair Bruce Campbell at 8:00 AM on

Wednesday, November, 13, 2013 at the Doubletree Hotel and Suites, Pittsburgh, PA.

2. Self-introduction of members and guests.

For a current committee roster - See Page 3

3. Approval of Minutes.

Approve the meeting minutes of the September 28, 2011 Meeting - See Page 7

4. Chair report and review of agenda.

5. First draft presentation and review of new codes and standards development process. – See Page 10

6. Act on proposed changes to NFPA 80.

a. For Public Inputs – See Page 16

7. Report of NFPA 105 ITM Task Group.

8. Act on proposed changes to NFPA 105.

a. For Public Inputs – See Page 92

9. Act on old FIs. See Page 147

10. Fire Protection Research Foundation proposals.

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11. Other Business (topic, date received, origin). See Page 154

a. Curtain fire dampers, 4/7/2011 (B.Campbell) b. Definition of “plane” with regards to fire damper installation Secton 19.2.1.1.2,

6/8/2011 (B.Campbell) c. Fire resistance vs. fire protection glazing , 1/11/2012 (K.Bigda/W.Koffel) d. Fire Door Caulk, 10/18/2012 (H.Hicks) e. Fire Curtains and UL 10D, 3/19/2013 (S.Hahn) f. Signage placement, 5/2/2013 (K.Roeper) g. Fire door retrofit kits/fire skin, 5/13/2013 (H.Hicks) h. Field labeling, 5/30/2013 (H.Hicks) i. Location of fire door labels, 6/18/2013 (B.Campbell) j. Requirements for written records, 7/8/2013 (K.Pardoe) k. New language, A.4.7.1, 7/12/2013 (guest, J.Hetzel) l. Crown Fire Door Stop System, 7/12/2013 (B.Campbell) m. Door blockage and closing mechanisms, 8/29/2013 Chapter 5 (K.Bigda) n. Oversized doors, 9/6/2013 (B.Campbell) o. Conversion of doors to fire doors, 10/7/2013 (S.Hahn)

12. Scheduling of Next Meeting.

13. Adjournment.


Address List No PhoneFire Doors and Windows FDW-AAA

Kristin Bigda10/16/2013

FDW-AAABruce G. CampbellChairHughes Associates, Inc.520 Courtney Way, Suite ALafayette, CO 80026-8863Alternate: David V. Tomecek

SE 4/3/2003FDW-AAA

Chad E. BeebePrincipalASHE - AHAPO Box 5756Lacey, WA 98509-5756

U 10/20/2010

FDW-AAAWilliam ConnerPrincipalBill Conner Associates LLC637 North Marion StreetOak Park, IL 60302American Society of Theater Consultants

SE 4/3/2003FDW-AAA

Richard L. CravyPrincipalRuskin Company3900 Dr. Greaves RoadGrandview, MO 64030

M 10/18/2011

FDW-AAAJerrold S. GorrellPrincipalTheatre Safety Programs15514 East Bumblebee LaneFountain Hills, AZ 85268US Institute for Theatre Technology, Inc.Alternate: Daniel J. Culhane

IM 4/3/2003FDW-AAA

Jeffrey E. GouldPrincipalFM Approvals/FM Global1151 Boston-Providence TurnpikePO Box 9102Norwood, MA 02062-9102Alternate: Michael F. Daly

I 7/1/1993

FDW-AAAScott GroesbeckPrincipalAREVA NP, Inc.6100 Southwest Blvd., Suite 400Fort Worth, TX 76109

SE 8/9/2011FDW-AAA

William F. GuffeyPrincipalUniversity of MarylandOffice of the Fire Marshal3115 Chesapeaike BuildingCollege Park, MD 20742

E 03/05/2012

FDW-AAASteven C. HahnPrincipalLawrence Roll-Up Doors, Inc.2420-C1 Sand Creek Road, #181Brentwood, CA 94513Door & Access Systems Manufacturers Assn. InternationalAlternate: David Dawdy

M 1/1/1992FDW-AAA

Harold D. Hicks, Jr.PrincipalAtlantic Code Consultants4530 William Penn Highway, #4350Murrysville, PA 15668-2002

SE 1/1/1994

FDW-AAACharles C. HoltPrincipalNational Energy Management Institute601 North Fairfax Street, Suite 240Alexandria, VA 22314

SE 8/9/2011FDW-AAA

Thomas R. JanicakPrincipalCeco Door Products801 Mark LaneHampshire, IL 60140Steel Door InstituteAlternate: Kurt A. Roeper

M 1/1/1986

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FDW-AAAWilliam E. KoffelPrincipalKoffel Associates, Inc.8815 Centre Park Drive, Suite 200Columbia, MD 21045-2107Glazing Industry Code CommitteeAlternate: Vickie J. Lovell

M 1/1/1990FDW-AAA

Nancy L. KokeshPrincipalIntertek Testing Services8431 Murphy DriveMiddleton, WI 53562Alternate: Michael Puls

RT 1/15/2004

FDW-AAAJohn S. MathewsPrincipalJ B Mathews Company2036 Apex CourtApopka, FL 32703International Door AssociationAlternate: Garry Stewart

IM 03/05/2012FDW-AAA

Keith E. PardoePrincipalDoor and Hardware Institute14150 Newbrook Drive, Suite 200Chantilly, VA 20151-2223Alternate: Thomas M. Rubright

M 4/15/2004

FDW-AAAVernon J. PattonPrincipalFirst Energy Corporation5501 North State Route 2Oak Harbor, OH 43449

U 4/3/2003FDW-AAA

James S. PeterkinPrincipalHeery International1717 Arch Street, Suite 3730Philadelphia, PA 19103NFPA Health Care Section

U 3/4/2008

FDW-AAASteven P. ReynoldsPrincipalThe Peelle Company Ltd.195 Sandalwood Parkway WestBrampton, ON L7A 1J6 CanadaNational Elevator Industry Inc.Alternate: Brian D. Black

M 3/21/2006FDW-AAA

Ronald RispoliPrincipalEntergy Corporation2414 West 5th StreetRussellville, AR 72801

U 1/1/1985

FDW-AAAGrayson SackPrincipalCashins and Associates, Inc.21 Fisher StreetNatick, MA 01760

SE 07/29/2013FDW-AAA

Thomas A. SalamonePrincipalGannet Flemming Inc.20 Elmwood CirclePeekskill, NY 10566

SE 11/2/2006

FDW-AAAMichael L. Savage, Sr.PrincipalMiddle Department Inspection Agency, Inc.12136 Holly RoadRidgely, MD 21660

E 4/28/2000FDW-AAA

Steve SchreiberPrincipalMasoniteOne Premdor DriveDickson, TN 37055-2774Window & Door Manufacturers Association

M 03/05/2012




FDW-AAAMichael TierneyPrincipalKellen Company18 Hebron RoadBolton, CT 06043Builders Hardware Manufacturers AssociationAlternate: John Woestman

M 1/12/2000FDW-AAA

Garrett S. TomPrincipalInternational Fire Door Inspector Association52 Laxalt DriveCarson City, NV 89706

U 3/1/2011

FDW-AAAYunyong P. UtiskulPrincipalExponent, Inc.17000 Science Drive, Suite 200Bowie, MD 20715

SE 8/9/2011FDW-AAA

Luke C. WoodsPrincipalUL LLC146 Nathaniel DriveWhitinsville, MA 01588Alternate: Matthew E. Schumann

RT 07/29/2013

FDW-AAAAnthony W. YuenPrincipalUniversity of CaliforniaEnvironment, Health & Safety317 University Hall, #1150Berkeley, CA 94720-1150

U 1/12/2000FDW-AAA

Brian D. BlackAlternateBDBlack Codes, Inc.4034 North Hampton Brook DriveHamburg, NY 14075National Elevator Industry Inc.Principal: Steven P. Reynolds

M 1/10/2008

FDW-AAADaniel J. CulhaneAlternateSECOA4145 Garfield Avenue SouthMinneapolis, MN 55409US Institute for Theatre Technology, Inc.Principal: Jerrold S. Gorrell

IM 03/07/2013FDW-AAA

Michael F. DalyAlternateFM Global1151 Boston-Providence TurnpikeNorwood, MA 02062Principal: Jeffrey E. Gould

I 8/9/2011

FDW-AAADavid DawdyAlternateCornell Iron Works, Inc.24 Elmwood AvenueMountaintop, PA 18707Door & Access Systems Manufacturers Assn. InternationalPrincipal: Steven C. Hahn

M 07/29/2013FDW-AAA

Vickie J. LovellAlternateInterCode Incorporated200 NE 2nd Avenue, Suite 309Delray Beach, FL 33444Glazing Industry Code CommitteePrincipal: William E. Koffel

M 10/28/2008

FDW-AAAMichael PulsAlternateIntertek8431 Murphy DriveMiddleton, WI 53562Principal: Nancy L. Kokesh

RT 8/9/2011FDW-AAA

Kurt A. RoeperAlternateASSA ABLOY110 Sargent DriveNew Haven, CT 06511Steel Door InstitutePrincipal: Thomas R. Janicak

M 9/30/2004




FDW-AAAThomas M. RubrightAlternateWilliam S. Trimble Company, Inc.2200 Atchley StreetKnoxville, TN 37920Door and Hardware InstitutePrincipal: Keith E. Pardoe

M 1/14/2005FDW-AAA

Matthew E. SchumannAlternateUL LLC333 Pfingsten RoadNorthbrook, IL 60062-2096Principal: Luke C. Woods

RT 10/27/2009

FDW-AAAGarry StewartAlternateThe Doorman Service Company, Inc.PO Box 1603Kent, WA 98035International Door AssociationPrincipal: John S. Mathews

IM 3/15/2007FDW-AAA

David V. TomecekAlternateHughes Associates, Inc.520 Courtney Way, Suite ALafayette, CO 80026Principal: Bruce G. Campbell

SE 7/26/2007

FDW-AAAJohn WoestmanAlternateKellen Company808 North York Street, Box 989Monroe, IA 50170-0989Builders Hardware Manufacturers AssociationPrincipal: Michael Tierney

M 7/23/2008FDW-AAA

John G. DegenkolbMember Emeritus71 Gold Hill DriveCarson City, NV 89706-0736

1/1/1955

FDW-AAAJoseph N. SainoMember Emeritus6560 Kirby Forest CoveMemphis, TN 38119

SE 1/1/1973FDW-AAA

Kristin BigdaStaff LiaisonNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy, MA 02169-7471

6/29/2007


National Fire Protection Association 1 Batterymarch Park, Quincy, MA 02169-7471 Phone: 617-770-3000 ∙ Fax: 617-770-0770 ∙ www.nfpa.org

ROC Meeting Minutes

NFPA Technical Committee On Fire Doors and Windows

(FDW-AAA)

September 28, 2011 Doubletree Nashville Airport

Nashville, TN

1. Call meeting to order. The meeting was called to order by Chair Bruce Campbell at 8:00

AM on Wednesday, September, 28, 2011 at the Doubletree Nashville Airport Hotel, Nashville, TN.

2. Self-introduction of members and guests.

The following committee members were in attendance: NAME REPRESENTING Campbell, Bruce (Chair) Hughes Associates, Inc. Banning, Calvin AREVA NP, Inc. Beebe, Chad American Society for Healthcare Engineering Conner, William Bill Conner Associates LLC

Rep. American Society of Theater Consultants

Gorrell, Jerrold Theatre Safety Programs Rep.US Institute for Theatre Technology

Gould, Jeffrey FM Global Hahn, Steven Lawrence Roll-Up Doors, Inc.

Rep. Door & Access Systems Manufacturers Association International

Hicks, Harold Atlantic Code Consultants Holt, Charles National Energy Management Institute Janicak, Thomas Ceco Door Products

Rep. Steel Door Institute Koffel, William Koffel Associates, Inc.

Rep. Glazing Industry Code Committee Kokesh, Nancy Intertek Testing Services


Pardoe, Keith Door and Hardware Institute Peterkin, James Heery International

Rep. NFPA Health Care Section Reynolds, Steven The Peelle Company Ltd.

Rep. National Elevator Industry, Inc. Rispoli, Ronald Entergy Corporation Roeper, Kurt (Alt to Janicak) Ingersoll-Rand Security Technologies

Rep. Steel Door Institute Rubright, Thomas (Alt to Pardoe) Williams S. Trimble Company, Inc.

Rep. Door and Hardware Institute San Paolo, David The Maiman Company

Rep. Window & Door Manufacturers Association

Savage, Michael Middle Department Inspection Agency, Inc. Schumann, Matthew Underwriters Laboratories Inc. Tom, Garrett International Fire Door Inspector Association Utiskul, Yunyong Exponent, Inc. Van Bacelaere, Robert Ruskin Company Woestman, John (Alt to Tierney) The Kellen Company

Rep. Builders Hardware Manufacturers Association

Yuen, Anthony University of California Collette, Kristin National Fire Protection Association The following committee members were not in attendance: NAME REPRESENTING Bernacki, Daniel International Door Association Coleman, Paul Patton, Vernon Fire Energy Corporation Salamone, Thomas AKF Engineers Stewart, Garry (Alt to Bernacki) The Dorman Service Company, Inc.

Rep. International Door Association The following guests were in attendance: NAME REPRESENTING Cravy, Richard Ruskin Company Schreiber, Steve Masonite Corporation Steel, Kate Steel Consulting Services Zaremba, Thom Primary Fire Rated Glazing Manufacturer

3. Approval of Minutes. The minutes of the February 9-10, 2011 meeting were approved with no modifications.

4. Staff Report. (K.Collette). Ms. Collette reported on the format of Technical Committee

Meetings, reviewed the Inspection, Testing, and Maintenance Summit as well as gave an


overview of the new Codes and Standards development process at NFPA. The committee should note that the next editions of both NFPA 80 and NFPA 105 will be completed through the new process. Additional training and information on the new process will be forthcoming.

5. Report of Chapter 5 Task Group. On September 6, 2011 a group of committee members

met via conference call to prepare for the Chapter 5 ROC revisions. The committee presented their revisions to the full committee. See NFPA 80 ROC ballot package.

6. Act on proposed changes to NFPA 80. All public comments were addressed. Committee comments were developed as needed. See ROC letter ballot package.

7. Act on proposed changes to NFPA 105. All public comments were addressed. Committee

comments were developed as needed. See ROC letter ballot package.

8. Other Business. The committee discussed the development of NFPA 4 and an upcoming TIA.

9. Scheduling of Next Meeting. The next meeting will be the Public Input meeting held in the

summer or fall of 2013.

10. Adjournment. The meeting was adjourned by Chair Bruce Campbell at 3:30 pm on Wednesday, September 28, 2011.

Minutes prepared by:

Kristin Collette NFPA Staff Liaison


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Public Input No. 30-NFPA 80-2013 [ Section No. 2.3.2 ]

2.3.2 ASTM Publications.

ASTM International, 100 Barr Harbor Drive, P.O. Box C700, West Conshohocken, PA 19428-2959.

ASTM A36, Standard Specification for Carbon Structural Steel, ASTM A36/A36M-08.

ASTM D4157, Standard Test Method for Abrasion Resistance of Textile Fabrics (Oscillatory CylinderMethod), 2010.

ASTM D5034, Standard Test Method for Breaking Strength and Elongation of Textile Fabrics (Grab Test),2009.

ASTM D6193, Standard Practice for Stitches and Seams, 2011.

ASTM E119, Standard Test Methods for Fire Tests of Building Construction and Materials, 2011 2012a .

Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Input

date update

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Submitter Full Name: Marcelo Hirschler

Organization: GBH International

Street Address:

City:

State:

Zip:

Submittal Date: Sat Jul 06 14:54:52 EDT 2013

Copyright Assignment

I, Marcelo Hirschler, hereby irrevocably grant and assign to the National Fire Protection Association (NFPA) all and full rights in copyright inthis Public Input (including both the Proposed Change and the Statement of Problem and Substantiation). I understand and intend that Iacquire no rights, including rights as a joint author, in any publication of the NFPA in which this Public Input in this or another similar orderivative form is used. I hereby warrant that I am the author of this Public Input and that I have full power and authority to enter into thiscopyright assignment.

By checking this box I affirm that I am Marcelo Hirschler, and I agree to be legally bound by the above Copyright Assignment and theterms and conditions contained therein. I understand and intend that, by checking this box, I am creating an electronic signature that will,upon my submission of this form, have the same legal force and effect as a handwritten signature

National Fire Protection Association Report http://submittals.nfpa.org/TerraViewWeb/ContentFetcher?commentPara...

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3.3.52 * Fire Door Frame for Lights.

A frame that, in addition to a door opening, contains an opening(s) for use with glazing materials.


This is part of a series of suggested changes to modify fire door assemblies to provide that only the fire door and immediate door frame along with necessary accessories are part of the fire door assembly. Sidelights and transoms would be considered fire windows. This will eliminate unnecessary additional testing to NFPA 252 of sidelights and transoms that have already been tested to either ASTM E119 or NFPA 257. In addition to the testing to NFPA 252 being unnecessary, when NFPA 252 is reviewed there is no specific guidance for testing of the sidelights and transoms. There is only guidance provided on testing of vision panel lights kits in the door itself. It is also noted that where NFPA 80 contains a limitation for the sizing of glazing units within the fire door itself, there is no specified limit to the size of glazing in transoms or sidelights other than what the manufacturer has tested to. A fire door assembly has no limit in size when combined with sidelights and transoms. From a technical standpoint, what is the difference between a sidelight and a fire window located immediately adjacent to a fire door assembly, or between a sidelight and a E119 tested fire-resistance rated glazed wall assembly. From a fire protection standpoint I would suggest there is no difference and the additional testing applied just because the assembly is a sidelight instead of a fire window is unjustified. This series of proposals will clarify what is a door assembly versus what is a fire window assembly and reduce the cost of listings.


Submitter Full Name: Robert Davidson

Organization: Davidson Code Concepts, LLC

Street Address:

City:

State:

Zip:

Submittal Date: Mon Jul 08 15:15:16 EDT 2013


I, Robert Davidson, hereby irrevocably grant and assign to the National Fire Protection Association (NFPA) all and full rights in copyright inthis Public Input (including both the Proposed Change and the Statement of Problem and Substantiation). I understand and intend that Iacquire no rights, including rights as a joint author, in any publication of the NFPA in which this Public Input in this or another similar orderivative form is used. I hereby warrant that I am the author of this Public Input and that I have full power and authority to enter into thiscopyright assignment.

By checking this box I affirm that I am Robert Davidson, and I agree to be legally bound by the above Copyright Assignment and theterms and conditions contained therein. I understand and intend that, by checking this box, I am creating an electronic signature that will,upon my submission of this form, have the same legal force and effect as a handwritten signature


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3.3.92 Power-Operated Fire Doors.

Doors that normally are opened and closed electrically, pneumatically or pneumatically hydraulically .


Some power-operated fire doors are opened and / or closed hydraulically.


Submitter Full Name: John Woestman

Organization: Kellen Company

Affilliation: Builders Hardware Manufacturers Association

Street Address:

City:

State:

Zip:



I, John Woestman, hereby irrevocably grant and assign to the National Fire Protection Association (NFPA) all and full rights in copyright inthis Public Input (including both the Proposed Change and the Statement of Problem and Substantiation). I understand and intend that Iacquire no rights, including rights as a joint author, in any publication of the NFPA in which this Public Input in this or another similar orderivative form is used. I hereby warrant that I am the author of this Public Input and that I have full power and authority to enter into thiscopyright assignment.

By checking this box I affirm that I am John Woestman, and I agree to be legally bound by the above Copyright Assignment and theterms and conditions contained therein. I understand and intend that, by checking this box, I am creating an electronic signature that will,upon my submission of this form, have the same legal force and effect as a handwritten signature


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3.3. 95 Qualified Person.

A person who, by possession of a recognized degree, certificate, professional standing, or skill, and who,by knowledge, training, and experience, has demonstrated the ability to deal with the subject matter, thework, or the project.

95 Qualified. A competent and capable person or company that has met the requirements andtraining for a given field acceptable to the AHJ. (96)


Makes the definitions consistent between documents.


Submitter Full Name: John Chartier

Organization: Northeastern Regional Fire Cod

Street Address:

City:

State:

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Submittal Date: Thu Apr 11 08:41:03 EDT 2013


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3.3.128 * Transom and Side Light Frame.

A fire door frame prepared for the application of a glazing material above and alongside the door opening.






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3.3.130 * Transom Light Frame.

A fire door frame prepared for the application of a glazing material above the door opening that has ahorizontal member such as a transom bar provided to separate the glazed opening from the door opening.






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Public Input No. 50-NFPA 80-2013 [ Section No. 4.1.3.1 ]

4.1.3.1

Preparation of fire door assemblies for locks, latches, hinges, remotely operated or remotelymonitored hardware, concealed closers, glass lights, vision vision panels, louvers, astragals and splitastragals, and the application of plant-ons and laminated overlays shall be performed in accordance withthe manufacturer's inspection service procedure and under label service. (See Annex E and Annex F .)






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Public Input No. 59-NFPA 80-2013 [ Sections 4.1.3.1, 4.1.3.2, 4.1.3.3, 4.1.3.4 ]

Sections 4.1.3.1, 4.1.3.2, 4.1.3.3, 4.1.3.4

4.1.3.1

Preparation of fire door assemblies for locks, latches, hinges, remotely operated or remotely monitoredhardware, concealed closers, glass lights, vision panels, louvers, astragals and split astragals, and theapplication of plant-ons and laminated overlays shall be performed in accordance with the manufacturer'sinspection service procedure and under label service. (See Annex E and Annex F .)

4.1.3.2

For job site preparation of surface The following job site preparations shall be permitted whereperformed in accordance with the door manufacturer’s listing :

1 Holes for surface -applied hardware, function holes for mortise locks, and holes for labeledviewers , a maximum

2. Maximum 3 ⁄ 4 in. (19 mm) wood and composite door undercutting , and

3. Installation of protection plates (see 6.4.5 ) shall be permitted .

4.1.3. 3 2.1

Surface-applied hardware shall be applied to the door or frame without removing material other thandrilling round holes to accommodate cylinders, spindles, similar operational elements, and through-bolts indoors.

4.1.3. 4 2.2

The holes described in 4.1.3.3 shall not be permitted to exceed a diameter of 1 in. (25.4 mm), with theexception of cylinders.

4.1.3. 2 . 3 Drilling raceways for wires whe n performed at the job site shallbe in accordance with the door manufacturer’s listing and when permitted by thelaboratory with which the door is listed.


Proposed revisions to NFPA 80 address frequent field modifications of doors. Incorporating electrical hardware into doors themselves is much more common now than in years past, and specific guidance needs to be provided, as proposed in 4.1.3.2.3. The other revisions are intended to clarify NFPA 80.





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Public Input No. 60-NFPA 80-2013 [ Sections 4.1.3.3, 4.1.3.4 ]

Sections 4.1.3.3, 4.1.3.4

4.1.3.3

Surface-applied hardware shall be applied to the door or frame without removing material other thandrilling round holes to accommodate cylinders, spindles, similar operational elements, electrifiedhardware, and and through-bolts in doors.

4.1.3.4

The holes described in 4.1.3.3 shall not be permitted to exceed a diameter of 1 in. (25.4 mm), withthe exception of cylinders

installation holes for surface-applied hardware installed in accordance with the door manufacturer’slisting and the hardware manufacturer’s listing .

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Holes in doors are limited to 1” for installation of surface-applied hardware, with the cylinder exception. Electrified hardware frequently requires holes larger than 1” diameter for installation. Listed electrified hardware are fire-tested, as are locking and latching hardware with cylinders, to demonstrate the hardware protects the required installation holes. Essentially, the surface-mounted hardware effectively protects their opening(s) in the opening protective.





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4.1.4.3

Signs shall not be installed on fire protection rated glazing material in fire doors.


There are times when a Code requires signage on a fire door, such as required for delayed-egress locking systems. Where there is no other choice but to put the sign on the glazing material, the glazing should be fire-resistance rated glazing which has been evaluated for temperature rise on the unexposed surface.


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Public Input No. 41-NFPA 80-2013 [ New Section after 4.2.1 ]

4.2.2* New fire protection-rated and fire resistance-rated glazing shall be marked in accordancewith Table 4.2.2 and such marking shall be permanently affixed.


Several years ago the Technical Committee was presented with a Public Proposal to provide a labeling system within NFPA 80 for fire-rated glazing. At that time, several different labeling systems were being proposed in the various building code processes and the Committee chose to wait until a standard system was developed. Both the IBC and NFPA now use a common system for labeling fire-rated glazing. As such, it is now appropriate to include the label system in NFPA 80 in hope that the system will remain standardized by referencing the system in NFPA 80. The codes can still determine the required fire protection and fire resistance rating of the glazing and an example of how that might be done is contained in the proposed Annex note.

Whereas the hose stream test is not always required by fire resistance tests, the Committee should consider adding an "H" for the "W" rating as well. This would be a change from what is in NFPA 101, NFPA 5000, and the IBC but would add clarity and would address the international market as well.




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4.2.1 *

Listed items shall be identified by a label that contains the following information . Additional informationshall be permitted to be shown.4.2.1.1 The label for fire doors shall contain the words “fire door”, the manufacturer’s name or a code that

can be traced back to the manufacturer, the marking of a 3 rd party certification agency, the fire protectionrating, a unique serial number, fire test standard designation to which the assembly was tested and thetemperature transmission rise at 30 minutes.

a) When the temperature transmission rise exceeds 650 ? F (361 ? C), it shall be permitted to beomitted.

b) For swinging doors provided with builders hardware, the minimum latch throw shall also beshown.

c) When applicable, a statement that no hose stream test was conducted.

4.2.1.2 The label for fire door frames shall contain the words “fire door frame”, the manufacturer’s

company name or a code that can be traced back to the manufacturer, the marking of a 3 rd partycertification agency, the fire protection rating, a unique serial number and the fire test standard designationto which it was tested.

a) Fire door frames shall be permitted to be provided without the fire protection rating shown. In suchcases, they shall be rated at three (3) hours when installed with masonry anchors in masonry walls andone and one-half (1-1/2) hours when provided with wood stud or steel stud anchors and installed ingypsum board walls.

b) As an alternate, fire door frames shall be marked with the label or embossment of the 3 rd partycertification agency and the manufacturer’s name or a code that can be traced back to the manufacturer.

c) When applicable, a statement that no hose stream test was conducted.

4.2.1.3 The label for fire window frames shall contain the words fire window frame”, the manufacturer’s

company name or a code that can be traced back to the manufacturer, the marking of a 3 rd partycertification agency, the fire protection rating, a unique serial number and the fire test standard designationto which it was tested.

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This standard clearly defines what a labeled product is and that labels are to be provided however it does not specify what is to be included on the label. Information relating to the manufacturer, the rating of the assembly or product and other information deemed necessary so that AHJs and end users can verify that the assembly or product is appropriate for how and where it is being used is needed


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Submittal Date: Thu Jul 11 07:31:04 EDT 2013


I, Jeffrey Gould, hereby irrevocably grant and assign to the National Fire Protection Association (NFPA) all and full rights in copyright in thisPublic Input (including both the Proposed Change and the Statement of Problem and Substantiation). I understand and intend that I acquireno rights, including rights as a joint author, in any publication of the NFPA in which this Public Input in this or another similar or derivativeform is used. I hereby warrant that I am the author of this Public Input and that I have full power and authority to enter into this copyrightassignment.

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4.4.1 *

Only labeled fire resistance–rated or fire protection–rated glazing material shall be used in fire doorassemblies when permitted by the door listing. (See A.3.3.56 , Fire Protection Glazing.) The labelshall contain the following information. Additional information shall be permitted to be shown.4.4.1.1 Fire rated glazing shall contain the manufacturer’s name or a code that can be traced back to the

manufacturer, the marking of a 3 rd party certification agency, the fire protection rating and the fire teststandard designation to which it was tested. When applicable, a statement that no hose stream test wasconducted shall also be shown.





This standard clearly defines what a labeled product is and when labels are to be provided however it does not specify what is to be included on the label. This information is currently shown in the Appendix as explanatory material but needs to be included in the body of the standard so that it will be mandatory.




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Public Input No. 67-NFPA 80-2013 [ Section No. 4.7 ]

4.7 Placement of Detectors.

4.7.1

All detectors, including fusible links, shall be placed as shown in Figure 4.7.1(a) and Figure 4.7.1(b) ,but in no event shall detectors be placed in the dead air space shown in Figure 4.7.1(a) .

Figure 4.7.1(a) Proper Placement of Detectors.

Figure 4.7.1(b) Detector Locations.

4.7.2

Detectors for the release of fire doors shall be permitted to be part of an overall system, such as a firealarm, water flow alarm, or carbon dioxide release system, that releases the door.

4.7.3

Where smoke detectors are used, they shall be located in accordance with NFPA 72 , National FireAlarm and Signaling Code .


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4.7.4

Detectors and their components shall be installed in accordance with the manufacturers' instructions.

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Unless otherwise acceptable to the AHJ, heat detectors or fusible links shall be installed on bothsides of the wall, interconnected so that the operation of any single detector or fusible link causes the doorto close.

4.7.5.1 *

Where fusible links are used, one fusible link shall be located near the top of the opening, andadditional links shall be located at or near the ceiling on each side of the wall.

4.7.5.1.1

Where fusible links are installed on both sides of the wall, a sleeve shall be installed through thewall to provide an open pathway for the cable or chain connecting the fusible links.

4.7.5.1.2

The sleeve shall be a 1 ⁄ 2 in. (13 mm) diameter galvanized steel conduit or pipe, with endsde-burred, and fitted with a collar or bushing at each end to secure the sleeve around the wall and allowfree movement of the cable or chain through the sleeve upon fusing of the links.

4.7.6 Fire doors that incorporate a device that delays activation of an automatic closing,self-closing or emergency power operation shall not delay the initiation of the closing or re-closing of thedoor for more than ten (10) seconds) unless acceptable to the Authority Having Jurisdiction.

4.7.7* When detectors are used in conjunction with material handling systems such as a conveyor,they shall be arranged as follows:

4.7.7.1 Stop the feed conveyor or otherwise initiate the mechanism that clears the path of the firedoor.

4.7.7.2 Provide an adequate time delay to clear the opening.

4.7.7.3 Activate the automatic or self closing mechanism.



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This section is entitled Placement of Detectors but several lines do not relate to where detectors are located. This should be more appropriately entitled Detectors. Additional information on detectors can be added as shown above. There are several types of doors (Chap 8, Horizontally Sliding Doors, 8.4.1.1.2 and Special Purpose Horizontally Sliding Accordian or Folding Doors (Chap 9, 9.4.1.2 and 9.4.2.4.1) both provide information on time delays associated with automatic closing. This should apply to all doors, not just these two types. This can best be addressed by locating it to a common section called Detectors.With the reference located in Par. 4.7, the references in 8.4.1.1.2, 8.4.2.1.4, 9.4.1.2 and 9.4.2.4.1 can be deleted along with the note in the Appendix.




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4.7.1

All detectors, including fusible links, shall be placed as shown in Figure 4.7.1(a) and Figure 4.7.1(b), butin no event shall detectors be placed in the dead air space shown in Figure 4.7.1(a) .

Figure 4.7.1(a) Proper Placement of Detectors.

Figure 4.7.1(b) Detector Locations.


This section is In conflict with current version of NFPA 72NFPA 72 - 17.7.3.2.1* Spot-type smoke detectors shall be located on the ceiling or, if on a sidewall, between the ceiling and 12 in. (300 mm) down from the ceiling to the top of the detector.




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Public Input No. 66-NFPA 80-2013 [ New Section after 4.7.5.1.2 ]

4.7.6 When the system or arrangement of detectors for an opening is not considered to be fail-safe,fusible links shall be used.





Some automatic closing systems are fail-safe such that upon a loss of power, the door will close. In cases where a system is not fail-safe, some type of mechanism needs to be present so that if electronic detectors are inoperable, the doors will still close automatically in the event that a fire occurs.




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Public Input No. 10-NFPA 80-2013 [ New Section after 4.8.1.1 ]

4.8.1.2 Door assemblies shall be installed on walls only if listed for such installation.


Moves the existing 4.8.1.5 to after 4.8.1.1 as a general requirement. we are proposing to delete 4.8.1.5.




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4.8.1.5

Door assemblies shall be used on walls of other construction only if listed for such installation.


Proposed to move to a new 4.8.1.2.

Related Public Inputs for This Document

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Public Input No. 10-NFPA 80-2013 [New Section after 4.8.1.1]




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4.8.2.2 Combustible floor construction shall not be permitted to extend through the door opening.

4.8.2.2.1

In buildings with combustible floors or combustible floor coverings, a sill shall be required if the floorstructure is extended through the door opening, as combustible floor construction shall not be permitted toextend through the door opening.


Better clarifies that combustible floor covering should not extend through door openings then provides a solution.




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4.8.4 Clearance.

4.8.4.1 *

The clearance under the bottom of a door shall be a maximum of 3 ⁄ 4 of 1 in. (19 mm).

4.8.4.2

Where the bottom of the door is more than 38 in. (965 mm) above the finished floor, the maximum

clearance shall not exceed 3 ⁄ 8 in. (9.5 mm) or as specified by the manufacturer's label serviceprocedure.


A Task Group was appointed to review the various clearance requirements contained in NFPA 80 for fire doors. It was noted that the current 3/4 inch was not consistent with the test standard and instead was representative of customary practice. Noting problems with meeting the 3/4 inch requirement in all instances, the task group proposed to increase the clearance underneath the door to 1 inch. While the task group anticipates additional fire testing to evaluate this increase, the task group was advised that some doors had been tested with a clearance greater than 1 inch.




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4.8.4.1*

The clearance under the bottom of a door shall be a maximum of 3⁄4 in. (19 mm), or up to 1 .25" (31.75 mm)using an approved intumescent door bottom device tested for applicable hourly ratings and door types.


There are many job site conditions where the undercut of the door ends up greater than 3/4"...sometimes due to a concrete issue or sometimes due to a slightly raised frame installation. We see this quite a bit in hotel applications for example. This product allows for an easy solution, rather than the cost associated with total replacement of the opening. There are products on the market than have been tested and passed by recognized laboratories and test standards to solve this problem.


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4.8.4.1 *

The clearance under the bottom of a door shall be a maximum of 3 ⁄ 4 in. (19 mm).

4.8.4.1.1* Products evaluated on a clearance in excess of that allowed by 4.8.4.1 and listed for use at orunder the bottom of the door shall be permitted where installed in accordance with its listing.

A.4.8.4.1.1 Where doors have a clearance at the bottom in excess of ¾” (19mm), door sweeps, door bottoms, or other devices listed for addressing thisexcess clearance may be a viable option.


New products are emerging which are tested and listed for use when clearances are not within the limits of NFPA 80. One example is the Zero 339FS sweep:(http://www.zerointernational.com/catalogpage.aspx?pageID=44). This proposal explicitly allows for this category of products, where listed for this use.





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4.9.1 Concealed Latches

4.9.1.1 When fusible link activated slide bolt latches are installed on pairs of fire doors in lieu of bottomrods, a label shall be attached to the lower one-third of the door; on both sides of the door.

4.9.1.2 The label shall read "CONCEALED LATCH".

4.9.1.3 The lettering on the label shall be a minimum of 36 point type set. Letters shall be red on a whitebackground.


I have received a few telephone calls with concerns that doors with recessed latches in lieu of bottom rods are not easily identified by the fire service. It would be helpful if there were a label indicating that such a condition exists. One caller indicated that they had a latch that identically activated without a fire before it was installed and thought that there may be an issue with inadvertent operation.


Submitter Full Name: HAROLD D HICKS

Organization: ATLANTIC CODE CONSULTANTS

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5.2.1.1 Fire doors that are installed as part of a remodel or other upgrade and serve as a convenienceopening during construction or for future use and then maintained in the closed and locked position do notrequire annual inspection and testing until they are returned to service.



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There are instances where a fire door are installed in an opening for convenience during construction or as part of an upgrade and after construction maintained closed and locked for security and/or to protect the workers from a hazard and the room is not normally entered (less than once every 2 to 3 years) then why should we have to open the door just to make sure it opens and closes. The door may also be further secured for security to prevent entry. The fire door may be protecting material that can expose the worker to unnecessary health risk. No testing or documentation will be required until the door is needed again. Then testing is required.


Submitter Full Name: Donald Turno

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I, Donald Turno, hereby irrevocably grant and assign to the National Fire Protection Association (NFPA) all and full rights in copyright in thisPublic Input (including both the Proposed Change and the Statement of Problem and Substantiation). I understand and intend that I acquireno rights, including rights as a joint author, in any publication of the NFPA in which this Public Input in this or another similar or derivativeform is used. I hereby warrant that I am the author of this Public Input and that I have full power and authority to enter into this copyrightassignment.

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5.5.7

When holes are left in a door or frame due to changes or removal of hardware or plant-ons, the holes shallbe repaired by the following methods:

(1) Install steel fasteners that completely fill the holes

(2) Fill the screw or bolt holes with the same material as the door or frame

(3) Fill holes with material listed for this use and installed in accordance with the manufacturer’sprocedures.


Proposing revisions to NFPA 80 to address repairs of doors. Products are listed for repairing holes in fire doors. The proposed language allows for these listed products.





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Public Input No. 17-NFPA 80-2013 [ New Section after 6.1.3.4 ]

Timed Door Hold Open

In lieu of Door Hold Open being tied into the fire alarm system and dropping door upon alarm, an approvedtimer activated door hold open release may be used with a maximum door hold open time of 60 seconds. Power failure to the door hold open or timer device shall automatically release door.


Fire rated doors without existing magnetic door hold opens tied into a fire alarm system being held open by a wedge or other object preventing the doors closure. would be beneficial in locations where economics prohibit door hold opens tied into a fire alarm system. This would help with compliance, especially in the area of storgage rooms where materials are moved in and out of the door frequently.


Submitter Full Name: Douglas Houtz

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I, Douglas Houtz, hereby irrevocably grant and assign to the National Fire Protection Association (NFPA) all and full rights in copyright inthis Public Input (including both the Proposed Change and the Statement of Problem and Substantiation). I understand and intend that Iacquire no rights, including rights as a joint author, in any publication of the NFPA in which this Public Input in this or another similar orderivative form is used. I hereby warrant that I am the author of this Public Input and that I have full power and authority to enter into thiscopyright assignment.

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Public Input No. 13-NFPA 80-2013 [ Section No. 6.3.1.7.1 ]

6.3.1.7.1

The clearances between the top and vertical edges of the door and the frame, and the meeting

edges of doors swinging in pairs, shall be 1 ⁄ 8 in. ± 1 ⁄ 16 in. (3.18 mm ± 1.59 mm) for steel doors

and shall not exceed 1 ⁄ 8 in . (3.18 mm) for wood doors.


Various problems have occured with the installation of wood doors with no tolerance regarding the 1/8 inch clearance. A task group was appointed to discuss the concerns with clearances for all fire doors. The task group believes that the 1/16" tolerance should also be acceptable for wood fire doors. There was some concern expressed regarding the impact on door hardware but since the tolerance already exists for steel doors, the task group thought the 1/16" tolerance should not adversely impact the door hardware. It should be noted that the task group anticipates some additional fire testing to be completed prior to the completion of the 2016 revision cycle regarding the issue of clearances between fire door and fire door frames.




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Public Input No. 57-NFPA 80-2013 [ New Section after 6.3.1.7.2 ]


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6.3.1.7.3* Products evaluated on a clearance in excess of that allowed by 6.3.1.7.1 and listed foruse at the top, vertical edges, or meeting edges of the door shall be permitted where installed inaccordance with its listing.

A.6.3.1.7.3 Where doors have a clearance at the top, vertical edges, or meeting edges of the doorin excess of that required by 6.3.1.7.1, door seals or other devices listed for addressing this excessclearance may be a viable option.


This proposal is similar to the BHMA proposal for 4.8.4.1 for addressing excess clearance at the bottom of doors, but addresses excess clearance at the top and sides of a door. New products are emerging which are tested and listed for use when clearances are not within the limits of NFPA 80. This proposal explicitly allows for this category of products, where listed for this use.





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6.4.4.11 *

Electric strikes shall be permitted to be used in lieu of conventional strikes in single swinging doors andpairs of doors where provided for in the published listings. Fail safe electric strikes shall not bepermitted.

A.6.4.4.11 See Figure A.6.4.4.11. Up on power failure or de-energization, a fail safe electric strikeallows a door to be readily openable by being pushed or pulled .


Questions are commonly raised regarding whether fail safe electric strikes may be used on a fire door. NFPA 80 currently allows fail safe electric strikes “where provided for in the published listings.” However, there is no fail safe electric strike available that is listed for use on a fire door because no fail safe electric strike provides latching forces adequate for the required performance of a fire door upon power failure or de-energization of the electric strike. This proposed language clarifies NFPA 80.





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6.4.5 Protection Plates.

6.4.5.1

Factory-installed protection plates shall be installed in accordance with the listing of the door or installedin accordance with the listing of the door .

6.4.5.2

Field-installed protection plates shall be labeled and installed in accordance with their listing.

6.4.5.3

Labeling shall not be required where the on the protection plate when

1. The top of the protection plate is not more than 16 in. (406 mm) above the bottom of the door.

2. T he listing of the door allows protection plates more than 16 in. (406 mm) above the bottom of thedoor where installed in accordance with the door listing .


Most of the wood door manufacturers have tested with protection plates up to 48” high, but NFPA 80 requires in “6.4.5.2 Field-installed protection plates shall be labeled and installed in accordance with their listing.” This proposed language provides for field-installed protection places that are in compliance with the door manufacturer’s listing, consistent with protection plates provided by the door manufacturer with the door





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Public Input No. 74-NFPA 80-2013 [ Sections 8.4.1.1.1, 8.4.1.1.2 ]

Sections 8.4.1.1.1, 8.4.1.1.2

8.4.1.1.1 *

Closing devices shall be a system of weights or a listed closing device.

8.4.1.1. 2 * 2

Automatic-closing doors shall not have a delay of more than 10 seconds in the initiation of closing orreclosing.



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8.4.1.1.2 *

Automatic-closing doors shall not have a delay of more than 10 seconds in the initiation of closing orreclosing.









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The time delay from failure of normal power operation to emergency power operation shall not exceed 10seconds.









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Doors shall be self-closing or automatic-closing and shall not have a delay in the initiation of closingor reclosing of more than 10 seconds .









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15.1.3

Door assemblies shall be installed in accordance with their listing.

15.1.4

No part of the assembly shall project into the chute.

15.1.5 Doors shall be self-closing or arranged for automatic-closing operation as described in 7.4.1 forswinging doors.

15.1

Chute Discharge Doors.

15.1. 2 Openings in the fire resistance-rated enclosure shall have a fire protection rating as follows:

( 1

Operation.

Chute doors shall be of the swinging type that are hinged on the side or bottom for intake and on the sideor top for discharge, or as otherwise allowed by their listing.

15.1.2 * Fire Protection Rating.

Chute doors shall have a fire protection rating of 1 hour or 1 1 ⁄ 2 hours.


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) 11⁄2-hour fire protection rating for 2-hour fire resistance-rated enclosures

(2) 1-hour fire protection rating for 1-hour fire resistance-rated enclosures

15.1.3 The bottom of a waste chute shall be protected by an approved automatic closing or self-closingdoor or fire damper of construction that is equivalent to the opening fire protection rating for the chute in15.1.2 [ 82: 6.2.3.2.1]

15.1.4 The waste chute discharge door shall not be required to have a positive latch. [ 82: 6.2.3.2.2 ]

15.1.5 The bottom of a linen chute shall be protected by a listed automatic closing or self-closing firedoor or fire damper that provides a fire protection rating in accordance with 15.1.2. [ 82: 6.2.3.2.3 ]

15.1.6 Chute discharge doors or fire dampers shall be permitted to be held open by a fusible link.[82:6.2.3.2.4]

15.2 Chute Intake Doors.

15.2.1 General Access Gravity Waste Chutes.

15.2.2 All chute intake doors into a waste chute shall be provided with a self-closing, positive latchingand gasketed fire door assembly in accordance with 15.1.2. [82: 6.2.3.3.1.1 ]

15.2.3 The fire door assembly shall be installed in accordance with its listing. [82:6.2.3.3.1.2]

15.2.4 The design and installation shall be such that no part of the frame or door projects into the chute.[82: 6.2.3.3.1.3]

15.2.5 The area of each chute intake door shall be limited to one-third of the cross-sectional area of asquare chute and 44 percent of the area of a round chute. [82:6.2.3.3.1.4]

15.3 Limited-Access Gravity Chutes.

15.3.1 All chute intake doors into a linen or waste chute shall be provided with a self-closing, positive-latching and gasketed fire door assembly in accordance with 15.1.2. [82:6.2.3.3.2.1]

15.3.2 The fire door assembly shall be installed in accordance with its listing. [82:6.2.3.3.2.2]

15.3.3 The design and installation shall be such that no part of the frame or door projects into the chute.[82:6.2.3.3.2.3]

15.3.4 A lock shall be provided for the chute intake door. [82:6.2.3.3.2.4]

15.3.5 The area of each waste chute intake door shall be limited to two-thirds of the cross-sectional areaof the chute. [82:6.2.3.3.2.5]

15.3.6 The area of each linen chute intake door shall not exceed the cross-sectional area of the chute.[82:6.2.3.3.2.6]

15.4 Pnumatic Chute Intake Doors.

15.4.1 All full vacuum chute intake outer doors shall be provided with a gasketed, self-closing, positive-latching fire door assembly with a fire protection rating of not less than 1 hour. [82:6.3.3.2.1]

15.4.2 The door frame shall be installed onto the station and shall be set flush to the shaft wall.[82:6.3.3.2.2]

15.4.3 The width of the opening shall be permitted to be equivalent to the internal diameter of the chute,and the height shall be a maximum of one and a half times the diameter. [82:6.3.3.2.3]

15.4.4 Minimum door size for a waste or linen loading door shall be 457 mm (18 in.) and shall beside-hinged. [82:6.3.3.2.4]


Many changes have been made in NFPA 82 on chute doors. This is the work of the NFPA 82 committee submitted as extracted text.


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Public Input No. 15-NFPA 80-2013 [ Section No. 19.2.3.2 [Excluding any Sub-Sections] ]

The damper access panel shall be labeled with the words “Fire Damper” in letters not less than 1 than 1/2in. (25 13 mm) in height.


The proposed change would create consistency among NFPA 105, 80, 5000 and the International Building Code with regards to size of lettering on dampers. NFPA 105 was recently revised to require 1/2" lettering as opposed to 1" in order to address the inconsistencies among the aforementioned documents. For reference, the revision was based on a public comment submitted in reference to proposal 105-6 during the last revision cycle for NFPA 105.


Submitter Full Name: NICHOLAS SEALOVER

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19.3.1.2

When equipped with smoke detection activation, the smoke detector testing shall be activatedperformed in accordance with the requirements of NFPA 72, National Fire Alarm and Signaling Code 4,Standard for the Integrated Fire Protection and Life Safety System Testing .


It is outside the Scope of this document to require the testing of the smoke detector. Testing integrated systems is within the Scope of NFPA 4.




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Public Input No. 27-NFPA 80-2013 [ Section No. 19.4.1 [Excluding any Sub-Sections] ]

Each damper shall be tested and inspected 1 year after installation commissioning .


It is often difficult to determine the date a damper was installed on large projects which require installation of numerous dampers. This poses a problem during regulatory inspections related to damper testing. The date of commissioning is documented and would be easier to determine when to perform the 1 year test.


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19.4.1.1

The test and inspection frequency after the initial periodic test shall then be every 4 years ,except in hospitals, where the frequency shall be .

19.4.1.2

For facilities with 2 sequential periodic tests and inspection with no deficiencies, the test frequency shall be6 years.

19.4.1.3

The test and inspection frequency for hospitals shall be every 6 years.


I understand the original reason for allowing the longer test and inspection frequency for hospitals was that this occupancy type provided data showing more frequent testing was not needed. Folllowing that logic, any facility that can provide data showing no deficiencies at susequent periodic tests and inspection should be allowed the same relief as that already granted to hospitals.


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19.4.1.1

The test and inspection frequency shall then be every 4 years, except in hospitals buildings containing ahealth care occupancy , where the frequency shall be every 6 years.


Current wording suggests that a “hospital” is an occupancy. Hospitals often contain numerous occupancies, including health care, ambulatory health care, business, and hotel and dormitory. This revision clarifies that buildings on a hospital campus without healthcare occupancies must maintain the 4-year damper testing and inspection period. Buildings with multiple occupancies that include a healthcare occupancy are permitted to extend the testing and inspection period to every 6 years. The definition of a “building” is outlined in the Life Safety Code and building codes.

This change parallels edits made to NFPA 105.


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19.4.1.1

The test and inspection frequency shall then be every 4 years, except in hospitals, where thefrequency shall be every 6 years every 6 years .


Hospitals present a high life hazard and as such should be held to a higher standard while other occupancies should not be required to be held to the same or higher level of protection. The current standard gives an exception for hospitals to six years instead of four. This requirement also puts an additional financial hardship on businesses required to test fire dampers more frequently.


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20.1.3.1

A fire safety curtain system is a specialized fire protection system, and its plans and specifications shall bedeveloped in accordance with this standard by qualified persons who are experienced and has had his/her

knowledge and work experience cer fied by a third‐party, and has experience in the design, application,installation, and testing of fire safety curtain assemblies.


Reason: Since the writing of this standard a national rigging certification program has come into existence. The ETCP certification program tests and identifies the top third of riggers in the industry. http://etcp.plasa.org/ These individuals will have the knowledge and experience to design the application, installation, and testing of fire safety curtain assemblies.


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20.1.4.1

Installation personnel shall be supervised by qualified persons who are experienced rigger, who has hadhis/her knowledge and work experience certified by a third-party, and is experienced in the installation,inspection, and testing of fire safety curtain assemblies.


Reason: Since the writing of this standard a national rigging certification program has come into existence. The ETCP certification program tests and identifies the top third of riggers in the industry. http://etcp.plasa.org/ These individuals will have the knowledge and experience to install, inspect and test fire safety curtain assemblies.



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20.7.3.1*

The fire safety curtain assembly shall be activated by manual emergency operation , fusible link, andrate-of-rise heat detection located above the stage.


NFPA’s own study has determined that “It is not likely that the descent of the fire safety curtain would be triggered by fusible links provided along the fire safety curtain release line due to their slow thermal responses. Further, the actuation of the release line fusible links is estimated to be preceded by the activation of sprinklers leading to cooling of the fusible links.”

Fire Safety in Theatres - A New Design Approach, Final ReportPublished by: The Fire Protection Research Foundation, Quincy, MA, Sept. 2009

Eliminate fusible links because they will be ineffective in triggering the descent of the fire safety curtain.



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20.7.3.3.1

Melting of a fusible link shall result in the fire safety curtain automatically closing.







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Public Input No. 37-NFPA 80-2013 [ Sections 20.7.3.3.2, 20.7.3.3.3 ]

Sections 20.7.3.3.2, 20.7.3.3.3

20.7.3.3.2

The emergency control line (fire control line) shall contain one or more fusible links spaced every 15 linearft (4.6 m) of the control line.

20.7.3.3.2.1

One or more fusible links shall be spaced no more than 7.5 ft (2.3 m) from the vertical rise of theemergency control line.

20.7.3.3.3

The fusible links shall be installed in accordance with 4.1.2 .







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20.7.3.3.4

The emergency control line (fire control line) shall extend up both sides and across the top of the stage sideof the proscenium opening and within 12 in . (305 mm) of the roof support structure or ceiling.




With the elimination of fusible links from the emergency control line there is no need to require the control line to be within 12” of the ceiling or roof support structure.



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20.7.3.3.5

Fusible links shall not be placed in the dead air space illustrated in Figure 4.7.1(a) .







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Public Input No. 51-NFPA 80-2013 [ Section No. A.3.3.52 ]


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A.3.3.52 Fire Door Frame for Lights.

Various types include transom light, side light, and transom and side light frames. See Figure A.3.3.52(a)through Figure A.3.3.52(c) .

Figure A.3.3.52(a) Transom Light Frame.

Figure A.3.3.52(b) Side Light Frame.


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Figure A.3.3.52(c) Transom and Side Light Frame.


This is part of a series of suggested changes to modify fire door assemblies to provide that only the fire door and immediate door frame along with necessary accessories are part of the fire door assembly. Sidelights and transoms would be considered fire windows. This will eliminate unnecessary additional testing to NFPA 252 of sidelights and transoms that have already been tested to either ASTM E119 or NFPA 257. In addition to the testing to NFPA 252 being unnecessary, when NFPA 252 is reviewed there is no specific guidance for testing of the sidelights and transoms. There is only guidance provided on testing of vision panel lights kits in the door itself. It is also noted that where NFPA 80 contains a limitation for the sizing of glazing units within the fire door itself, there is no specified limit to the size of glazing in transoms or sidelights other than what the manufacturer has tested to. A fire door assembly has no limit in size when combined with sidelights and transoms. From a technical standpoint, what is the difference between a sidelight and a fire window located immediately adjacent to a fire door assembly, or between a sidelight and a E119 tested fire-resistance rated glazed wall assembly. From a fire protection


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standpoint I would suggest there is no difference and the additional testing applied just because the assembly is a sidelight instead of a fire window is unjustified. This series of proposals will clarify what is a door assembly versus what is a fire window assembly and reduce the cost of listings.




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A.3.3.128 Transom and Side Light Frame.

See Figure A.3.3.52(c) .






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Public Input No. 42-NFPA 80-2013 [ New Section after A.4.2.1 ]

A.4.2.2 An example of how a Code might use the system for labeling fire-rated glazingis shown in Table A.4.2.2.Extract Table 8.3.4.2 from NFPA 101-2015.



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This is a companion change to proposed new paragraph 4.2.2. The content of the table should not be in the body of the standard since it contains requirements typically considered within the scope of a building code, fire code, or the Life Safety Code. However, the table provides useful information in showing how the label system works.

It should be noted that a change in the label system was proposed in 4.2.2. If that change is accepted by the Technical Committee, an additional note should be added to the Annex note to read as follows:

The Table below is extracted from NFPA 101-2015. The label system defined in Paragraph 4.2.2 adds a "H" for "W" ratings. As such, future editions of NFPA 101 would require a change in the table to reflect the requirement for an "H" with the "W" rating. It is anticipated that the "H" would typically appear wherever the W rating is 60 minutes or greater.



Public Input No. 41-NFPA 80-2013 [New Section after 4.2.1]




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Table 8.3.4.2 Minimum Fire Ratings for Opening Protectives in Fire Resistance–Rated Assemblies and Fire Rated Glazing Markings

Component Walls and Partitions

(hr)

Fire Door Assemblies

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Door Vision Panel

Maximum Size (in.

2)h

Fire Rated Glazing Marking

Door Vision Panel

Minimum Side Light/ Transom

Assembly Rating (hr)

Fire Rated Glazing Marking

Side Light/Transom Panel

Minimum Fire rated Windows

Ratingc,e

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Fire Rated Window Marking

Fire protection

Fire resistance

Fire protection

Fire resistance

Fire Protection

Fire Resistance

Fire protection

Fire resistance

Elevator hoistways

2 1-1/2 155 sq. in.f D-H-90 or

D-H-W-90 NP 2 NP

D-H-W-120

NP 2

NP W-120

1 1 155 sq. in.f

D-H-60 or D-H-W-60

NP 1 NP D-H-W-60 NP

1 NP

W-60

½ 1/3 85 sq. in.g

D-20 or D-W-20

1/3 1/3 D-H-20 D-W-20 1/3

1/3 OH-20

W-30

Elevator Lobby

(per 7.2.13.4) 1 1 100 sq. in.

c

≤100 sq.in., D-H-T-60 or D-

H-W-60h

NP 1 NP D-H-W-60 NP

1

NP W-60

>100 sq.in., D-H-W-60

h

Vertical shafts

(including stairways, exits and

refuse chutes

2 1-1/2 Maximum size

tested D-H-90 or D-H-

W-90 NP 2 NP

D-H-W-120

NP

2

NP

W-120

1 1 Maximum size


W-60 NP 1 NP D-H-W-60

NP 1

NP W-60

Replacement Panels in Existing Vertical Shafts

1/2 1/3 Maximum size

tested D-20 or D-W-20

1/3 1/3 D-H-20 D-W-20

1/3

1/3

OH-20

W-30

Fire barriers 3 3 100 sq. in.c

<=100 sq.in., D-H-180 or D-

H-W-180h

NP 3 NP D-H-W-

180

NP 3

NP W-180

>100 sq.in., D-H-W-180

h



W-90 NP 2 NP

D-H-W-120

NP 2

NP W-120

1 3/4 Maximum size

testedd

D-H-45 or D-H-W-45

3/4d 3/4

d D-H-45 D-H-W-45

¾ 3/4

OH-45 W-60



1/3 1/3 D-H-20 D-W-20 1/3

1/3 OH-20

W-30

Horizontal exits



W-90 NP 2 NP

D-H-W-120

NP 2

NP W-120


Horizontal exits served by bridges between buildings

2 3/4 Maximum size

testedd

D-H-45 or D-H-W-45

3/4d 3/4

d D-H-45 D-H-W-45

¾

3/4

OH-45

W-120

Exit access corridors

a

1 1/3 Maximum size


3/4 3/4 D- H-45 D-H-W-20 ¾

3/4 OH-45

W-60



1/3 1/3 D- H-20 D-H-W-20 1/3

1/3 OH-20

W-30

Smoke barriers

a 1 1/3

Maximum size tested

D-20 or D-W-20

3/4 3/4 D- H-45 D-H-W-20 ¾

3/4 OH-45

W-60

Smoke partitions

a,b 1/2 1/3

Maximum size tested

D-20 or D-W-20

1/3 1/3 D- H-20 D-H-W-20 1/3

1/3 OH-20

W-30

NP: Not permitted.

a. Fire doors are not required to have a hose stream test per NFPA 252, Standard Methods of Fire Tests of Door Assemblies; ASTM E 2074, Standard Test Method for Fire Tests of Door Assemblies, Including Positive

Pressure Testing of Side-Hinged and Pivoted Swinging Door Assemblies; ANSI/UL 10B, Standard for Fire Tests of Door Assemblies; or ANSI/UL 10C, Standard for Positive Pressure Fire Tests of Door Assemblies.

b. For residential board and care, see 32.2.3.1 and 33.2.3.1.

c. Fire resistance rated glazing tested to NFPA 251 shall be permitted in the maximum size tested, (See 8.3.3.7).

d. Maximum area of individual exposed lights shall be 1296 in2

(0.84 m

2 ) with no dimension exceeding 54 in. (1.37 m) unless otherwise tested. [80:Table 4.4.5 Note b and 80:4.4.5.1].

e. Fire-rated glazing in exterior windows shall be marked in accordance with Table 8.3.3.12

f. See ASME A17.1, Safety Code for Elevators and Escalators, for additional information.

g. See ASME A17.3, Safety Code for Existing Elevators and Escalators, for additional information. h. Note: 1 inch2 = .00064516 m2



A.4.4.1

The content of the labeling on individual fire protection–rated (tested to NFPA 252, StandardMethods of Fire Tests of Door Assemblies , or NFPA 257, Standard on Fire Test for Window andGlass Block Assemblies ) and fire resistance–rated (tested to ASTM E119, Standard Test Methodsfor Fire Tests of Building Construction and Materials ) glazing should identify the manufacturer, rating,third-party testing agency, test standard, and whether the hose stream test was successfullyperformed needs to be shown so that Authorities Having Jurisdiction can determine if the assembly orproduct is appropriate for how and where it is being used .





This standard clearly defines what a labeled product is and when labels are to be provided however it does not specify what is to be included on the label. This information is currently shown in the Appendix as explanatory material but needs to be included in the body of the standard so that it will be mandatory.




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Public Input No. 68-NFPA 80-2013 [ New Section after A.4.7.5.1 ]

A. 4.7.7 Conveyors used in material handling systems can present a unique challenge.Considerations must be given to the orderly sequence of stopping the flow of goods through theopening, making sure the opening is clear of any goods and then activating the door closure. Ifthis is not done in the proper sequence using detectors and time delay devices, the likelihood ofthe opening not being protected in an alarm condition increases.









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Public Input No. 44-NFPA 80-2013 [ Section No. A.4.8.4.1 ]

A.4.8.4.1

The maximum clearance of 3 ⁄ 4 of 1in. (19 mm.) under fire doors as permitted by this standard is the accepted practice in the industry. NFPA 252, Standard Meth

The maximum clearance as permitted by this standard should be measured from the bottom of the dooropening to the top of the floor. The measurement should not take into account the presence of aftermarketproducts that may be installed on the fire door to reduce the clearance to the permitted value. Theclearance allowed under and around fire doors is based upon the performance of fire doors tested to therequired fire tests. The test criteria for fire doors does not include the presence of aftermarket products. Providing these products in lieu of, or to help achieve the maximum allowable clearance does notguarantee an equivalent level of protection of the opening.


The Annex note needs to be revised if the clearance in the standard is increased to 1 inch. The Task Group that reviewed the clearance requirements expressed concern with after market products, some of which have been tested and some of which have not been, being added to fire doors to reduce the clearance. In lieu of the aftermarket products, the Task Group felt it was more appropriate to change the clearance dimension to 1 inch.



Public Input No. 43-NFPA 80-2013 [Section No. 4.8.4]




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Public Input No. 55-NFPA 80-2013 [ New Section after A.6.4.7.2 ]


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A. 6.4.8 Where door assemblies are used for smoke and draft control, gasketing listed for smokeand draft control may be necessary. (See NFPA 105, Standard for Smoke Door Assemblies andOther Opening Protectives.)


Providing guidance that gasketing may be required for a fire door that is also rated for smoke and draft control. Proposed A.6.4.8 text is very similar to A.9.3 regarding gasketing of Special-Purpose Horizontally Sliding Accordion or Folding Doors





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Public Input No. 73-NFPA 80-2013 [ Section No. A.8.4.1.1.2 ]

A.8.4.1.1.2

See Figure A.4.7.5(c) through Figure A.4.7.5(h) and Figure A.4.6.4(b) through Figure A.4.6.4(e) .









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Public Input No. 75-NFPA 80-2013 [ Section No. A.8.4.1.1.2 ]

A.8.4.1.1. 2 1

See Figure A.4.7.5(c) through Figure A.4.7.5(h) and Figure A.4.6.4(b) through Figure A.4.6.4(e) .



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8.4.1.1.2 currently signifies that there is explanatory material in the Appendix. The topic of 8.4.1.1.1 is closing devices and the topic of 8.4.1.1.2 is time delay devices. The Figures referenced in the Appendix note show and provide information on closing devices, not time delay devices. Renumbering the Appendix note as A.8.4.1.1.1 resolves this issue.




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Public Input No. 34-NFPA 80-2013 [ Section No. A.20.1.4.2 ]

A.20.1.4.2

The specific skills and experience necessary to install, test, and maintain a fire safety curtain assembly areunique. The number of assemblies installed each year is low in comparison to most opening protectives.There is no currently one nationally recognized training program, certification, or licensing currently thirdparty certification program that tests the knowledge and experience of installers . The AHJs should rely onthis certification along with their personal knowledge of and experience with the contractor and installer;third-party testaments, reports, and recommendations; other evidence that might be presented; or acombination of these.


Since the writing of this standard a national rigging certification program has come into existence. The ETCP certification program tests and identifies the top third of riggers in the industry. http://etcp.plasa.org/ These individuals will have the knowledge and experience to install, inspect and test fire safety curtain assemblies.



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Public Input No. 53-NFPA 80-2013 [ Section No. G.10.3 ]

G.10.3 Multiple-Section Sidelight and Transom Light Fire Window and Door Frames.

These frames consist of multiple hollow metal sections that, upon assembly, form a completed side light,multilight, transom light, or combination Fire Window and Door Frames , either in the same plane orprojected, such as a bay window–type configuration. (See Figure G.10.3.)

Figure G.10.3 Projected Window Frame.








Public Input No. 50-NFPA 80-2013 [Section No. 4.1.3.1]

Public Input No. 51-NFPA 80-2013 [Section No. A.3.3.52]

Public Input No. 52-NFPA 80-2013 [Section No. A.3.3.128]




Affilliation: SaftiFirst, Inc.


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Public Input No. 31-NFPA 80-2013 [ Section No. L.1.2.3 ]

L.1.2.3 ASTM Publications.

ASTM International, 100 Barr Harbor Drive, P.O. Box C700, West Conshohocken, PA 19428-2959.

ASTM D5034, Standard Test Method for Breaking Strength and Elongation of Textile Fabrics (Grab Test),2001 2009 .

ASTM E90, Standard Test Method for Laboratory Measurement of Airborne Sound Transmission Loss ofBuilding Partitions and Elements, 2004 2009 .

ASTM E119, Standard Test Methods for Fire Tests of Building Construction and Materials, 2011 2012a .

ASTM E413, Classification for Rating Sound Insulation, 2004 2010 .


date updates


Submitter Full Name: Marcelo Hirschler

Organization: GBH International

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Submittal Date: Sat Jul 06 14:55:48 EDT 2013


I, Marcelo Hirschler, hereby irrevocably grant and assign to the National Fire Protection Association (NFPA) all and full rights in copyright inthis Public Input (including both the Proposed Change and the Statement of Problem and Substantiation). I understand and intend that Iacquire no rights, including rights as a joint author, in any publication of the NFPA in which this Public Input in this or another similar orderivative form is used. I hereby warrant that I am the author of this Public Input and that I have full power and authority to enter into thiscopyright assignment.

By checking this box I affirm that I am Marcelo Hirschler, and I agree to be legally bound by the above Copyright Assignment and theterms and conditions contained therein. I understand and intend that, by checking this box, I am creating an electronic signature that will,upon my submission of this form, have the same legal force and effect as a handwritten signature


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Public Input No. 20-NFPA 105-2013 [ Chapter 4 [Title Only] ]

Testing and Installation General Requirements


Proposed change reflects the scope of Chapter 4's requirements. Installation requirements for smoke door assemblies are covered in the proposed new Chapter 7 (see separate proposal).


Submitter Full Name: Keith Pardoe

Organization: Door and Hardware Institute

Affilliation: Submitted on behalf of the FDW-AAA task group for inspection requirements for smoke door assemblies.

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I, Keith Pardoe, hereby irrevocably grant and assign to the National Fire Protection Association (NFPA) all and full rights in copyright in this Public Input (including both the Proposed Change and the Statement of Problem and Substantiation). I understand and intend that I acquire no rights, including rights as a joint author, in any publication of the NFPA in which this Public Input in this or another similar or derivative form is used. I herebywarrant that I am the author of this Public Input and that I have full power and authority to enter into this copyright assignment.

By checking this box I affirm that I am Keith Pardoe, and I agree to be legally bound by the above Copyright Assignment and the terms and conditions contained therein. I understand and intend that, by checking this box, I am creating an electronic signature that will, upon my submission of this form, have the same legal force and effect as a handwritten signature

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Public Input No. 21-NFPA 105-2013 [ Section No. 4.1 [Excluding any

Sub-Sections] ]

This chapter shall cover the requirements for testing and installation of smokedoor assemblies.


Proposed change reflects moving installation requirements to proposed new chapter 7 for swinging doors.





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Public Input No. 22-NFPA 105-2013 [ Sections 4.1.1, 4.1.2, 4.1.3 ]

Sections 4.1.1, 4.1.2, 4.1.3

4.1.1Fire door assemblies that are intended for use as smoke door assemblies shall also comply with NFPA 80, Standard for Fire Doors and Other Opening Protectives .4.1.2Doors without fire protection ratings shall be permitted to be used as smoke doors in door openings not required to be protected by fire doors.4.1.3Doors without fire protection ratings shall comply with this standard.


The requirements covered in 4.1.1, 4.1.2, and 4.1.3 are covered have been moved to the proposed new Chapter 7 for swinging doors.


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A.4.3.2 The artificial door bottom is used during the UL 1784 air-leakage test to better ascertain the amount of air leakage along the vertical edges and across the top edge(s) of the doors. An example of an artificial door bottom is duct tape that is used to seal the gap between the bottom of the door and the sill during the air-leakage test. The application of gasketing at the door bottom on installed smoke door assemblies is sometimes required in areas that are pressurzed for smoke control. In the majority of cases, it is not necessary to seal the gap under the door.


Proposed change adds new annex comment that explains the use of an artificial door bottom during the UL 1784 air-leakage test.



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Public Input No. 24-NFPA 105-2013 [ New Section after 4.4 ]

A.4.4 Non-fire rated smoke doors might not be marked with an "S" label or any other markings that indicate the maximum air leakage rate. Gasketing manufacturers might be able to provide anecdotal information based on the testing of their products. Due to the size, shape, material, and configuration of gasketing products, the label frequently is marked on the packaging of the gasketing material rather than on the product. Verifying the maximum air leakage rate of smoke door without fireprotection rating might require additional research if the door does not carry an "S" label.


Proposed change adds new annex comment that explains that non-fire rated doors, used as a component of smoke door assemblies, are not typically labeled and that additional research might be needed to verify the smoke leakage properties of the assembly in question.





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Public Input No. 25-NFPA 105-2013 [ Sections 4.5.4, 4.5.5 ]

Sections 4.5.4, 4.5.5

4.5.4Fixed sealed transoms, side lights, side panels, or door vision lights shall be permitted in listed assemblies without additional testing.4.5.5Transoms, side lights, side panels, or door vision panels that are not fixed and sealed shall be installed in accordance with the smoke door listing.


Proposed change reflects requirements that are found in the proposed new Chapter 7 for swinging doors.



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Public Input No. 3-NFPA 105-2013 [ Chapter 5 [Title Only] ]

Inspection, Testing, and Maintenance of Smoke Door Assemblies


Proposed change reflects the scope of Chapter 5, which includes periodic safety inspections, operational testing, and maintenance of smoke door assemblies.




Affilliation: On behalf of the FDW-AAA task group for inspection requirements of smoke door assemblies.

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Public Input No. 4-NFPA 105-2013 [ Section No. 5.1 [Excluding any

Sub-Sections] ]

This chapter shall cover the chapter covers the acceptance testing, periodicsafety inspections, and the care and maintenance of smoke door assemblies.


Proposed change reflects the general scope of Chapter 5.





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5.1.1 The requirements of this chapter shall apply to new and existing installations.


Proposed change requires new and existing smoke door assemblies to be inspected, tested, and maintained in accordance with the applicable requirements of NFPA 105.


Related Input RelationshipPublic Input No. 3-NFPA 105-2013 [Chapter 5 [Title Only]]




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5.1.1 2 Removal of Smoke Doors.Where a door or opening is no longer in use, the opening shall be filled withconstruction equivalent to that of the wall.


Renumbering reflects addition of new content - no technical change.



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A.5.1.3 Smoke door assemblies, fire-rated and non-fire rated, should be operable under normal conditions. Operability includes swinging easily, closing completely, and, where required, positively latching in the closed position. Operability, in the case of smoke door assemblies, also includes the sealing of the door against the passage of smoke. Fire-rated doors are not required to be operable after exposure to a fire. Similarly, non-fire rated doors should not be expected to be operable after exposure to a fire.


Proposed annex comment clarifies that smoke door assemblies are required to be operable under normal, non-fire, conditions. Like fire-rated door assemblies, smoke doors should not be expected to be operational following exposure to a fire.



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5.1.2.2Where required, the doors shall be positively latched.


Proposed change clarifies that smoke doors are required to have hardware that provides positive latching, where latching hardware is required by the building, fire, and life safety codes.



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5.1.4 Field Modifications.

5.1.4.1 Field modifications of fire-rated smoke door assemblies shall be made in accordance with NFPA 80.

5.1.4.2* Field modifications of smoke door assemblies without fire protection ratings shall be permitted to be made, provided the modifications are performed in accordance with the applicable requirements of this standard.

A.5.1.4.2 Generally, the replacement of hardware components (e.g., hinges, pivots, door closers, etc.) is not considered to be a field modification, provided thereplacement hardware does not require additional cutting, mortising, or boring into the doors and frames and the hardware meets the criteria specified elsewhere in the standard. Likewise, the installation of surface-mounted items like protection plates is not considered to be field modifications. Cutting doors for vision panels, enlarging existing cutouts for vision panels, and trimming doors in height or width are examples of field modifications. Similarly, installing hardware components that require additional cutting and mortising of the doors or frames are examples of fieldmodifications.

5.1.4.3 Smoke door assemblies shall be inspected in accordance with section 5.4 immediately following the completion of field modification work.


Proposed change add new section concerning the Field Modification of smoke door assemblies. This new section is necessary to support the acceptance testing, periodic safety inspections, and ongoing maintenance of smoke door assemblies.





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5.1.4 * Repairs.Damage and impairments to smoke door assemblies shall be corrected.

5.1.4.1Damaged glazing material shall be replaced.

5.1.4.2Replacement glazing material shall be installed in accordance with its individual listing, where required, and the manufacturer's listing.

5.1.4.3When holes are left in a door or frame due to changes or removal of hardware or plant-ons, the holes shall be repaired by either of the following methods:

(1) Installation of steel fasteners that completely fill the holes

(2) Filling of the screw or bolt holes with the same material as the door orframe


These requirements moved to new position in Chapter 5; see proposed new section 5.4 Maintenance.



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5.2 Specific Requirements.5.2.1 * Inspections and Testing.

5.2.1.1Smoke door assemblies shall be inspected and tested in accordance with Chapter 5 of NFPA 80, Standard for Fire Doors and Other OpeningProtectives .

5.2.1.2Hardware and gaskets shall be inspected annually, and any parts found to be damaged or inoperative shall be replaced.

5.2.1.3Tin clad and Kalamein doors shall be inspected regularly for dry rot.

5.2.1.4A written record shall be maintained and shall be made available to the AHJ.

5.2.1.5Records shall be maintained for not less than 3 years.5.2.2 Prevention of Door Blockage.

5.2.2.1Door openings and the surrounding areas shall be kept clear of anything that could obstruct or interfere with the free operation of the door.

5.2.2.2Blocking or wedging of doors in the open position shall be prohibited.5.2.3 Maintenance of Closing Mechanisms.

5.2.3.1Self-closing and automatic closing devices shall be kept in working condition at all times.

5.2.3.2Care shall be taken to prevent paint accumulation on any movable parts such as, but not limited to, stay rolls, gears, and closing mechanisms.



Section_5.2.2_NFPA_105.docx Attached file contains new content for section 5.2.2.


Proposed new section 5.2.2 establishes the requirements for the inspection reports and record retention.






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5.2.2* A record of all inspections and testing shall be signed by the inspector and kept for inspection by the AHJ. A.5.2.2 Newer technology includes the use of barcodes and other electronic devices. This section recognizes that completed and filed electronic reports should be considered signed by the inspector. [80:A.5.2.2] 5.2.2.1 Records of the acceptance tests shall be retained for the life of the assembly. 5.2.2.2* Unless a longer period is required by NFPA 80, records shall be retained for a period of at least 3 years. 5.2.2.3* The records shall be on a medium that will survive the retention period. Paper or electronic media, with off-site back-up(s) shall be permitted. [72:14.6.2.3] 5.2.2.4 A record of all inspections and testing shall be provided that includes, but is not limited to, the following information: (1) Date of inspection (2) Name of facility (3) Address of facility (4) Name of person(s) performing inspections and testing (5) Company name and address of inspecting company (6) Signature of inspector of record (7) Individual record of each inspected and tested smoke door assembly (8)* Opening identifier and location of each inspected and tested smoke door assembly A.5.2.2.4(8) Each smoke door assembly in a facility should be assigned a unique identifier code (e.g., door number) that can be used to track the assembly's compliance and maintenance records throughout the lifetime of its installation. Identifier codes could be a door assembly number, bar code, or other code that is unique to each smoke door assembly in the facility. (9)* Type and description of each inspected and tested smoke door assembly A.5.2.2.4(9) To aid the AHJ during the review of the inspections and testing reports, the records should include a description of the smoke door assembly. The following door types are listed in NFPA 80 and could have application under this section: Type 6: Swinging Door with Builders Hardware Type 7: Swinging Fire Door with Fire Door Hardware Type 8: Horizontally Sliding Fire Door Type 9: Special Purpose Horizontally Accordion or Folding Door Type 10: Vertically Sliding Fire Door Type 11: Rolling Steel Door Type 12: Fire Shutter Type 13: Service Counter Fire Door Type 14: Hoistway Doors for Elevators and Dumbwaiter Type 15: Chute Door Type 16: Access Door Type 17: Fire Window Type 20: Fabric Fire Safety Curtain


(10)* Verification of visual inspection and functional operation A.5.2.2.4(10) Functional operation of smoke door assemblies should include testing of the closing device, complete closure of the door from the full open position, and full engagement of latch(es) where required by door type. Functional testing of automatic-closing or power-operated smoke door assemblies and electrically-controlled latching hardware might need to be coordinated with the facility during other electrically-controlled system tests. (11) Listing of deficiencies in accordance with 5.2.5.



NOTE: This proposal appeared as Comment 105-1 (Log #2) which was held from the A12 ROC on Proposal 105-3.

In lieu of referencing NFPA 80 for inspection, testing, and maintenance requirements, provide a specific set of requirements for inspection, testing, and maintenance for smoke door assemblies.


File Name Description Approved105_PI_1_Held_Comment_105-1_Koffel_.pdf Held Comment 105-1


Not all smoke door assemblies have a fire protection rating. As such, to rely on NFPA 80 requirements is inappropriate. In addition, as included in Proposal 80-17, the language in Chapter 5 of NFPA 80 will specifically apply to fire door assemblies. Does this mean that there are no requirements for smoke door assemblies?




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I, William Koffel, hereby irrevocably grant and assign to the National Fire Protection Association (NFPA) all and full rights in copyright in this Public Input (including both the Proposed Change and the Statement of Problem and Substantiation). I understand and intend that I acquire no rights, including rights as a joint author, in any publication of the NFPA in which this Public Input in this or another similar or derivative form is used. I herebywarrant that I am the author of this Public Input and that I have full power and authority to enter into this copyright assignment.

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Report on Comments – June 2012 NFPA 105_______________________________________________________________________________________________105-1 Log #2

_______________________________________________________________________________________________William E. Koffel, Koffel Assoc., Inc.

105-3Revise text to read as follows:

In lieu of referencing NFPA 80 for inspection, testing, and maintenance requirements, provide a specific set ofrequirements for inspection, testing, and maintenance for smoke door assemblies.

Not all smoke door assemblies have a fire protection rating. As such, to rely on NFPA 80requirements is inappropriate. In addition, as included in Proposal 80-17, the language in Chapter 5 of NFPA 80 willspecifically apply to fire door assemblies. Does this mean that there are no requirements for smoke door assemblies?

The committee is holding this comment for action during their next revision cycle.The committee is in agreement that this change is very much needed but it is considered new

material for this cycle as it was not discussed during the ROP meeting for NFPA 105. The committee will reevaluate thisat next cycle. A small task group has already been formed for work prior to the Public Input meeting.It should be noted that additional inspection, testing and maintenance provisions may apply to smoke door assemblies

than apply to fire door assemblies and the committee will need time adequate time to determine these differences. Thecurrent reference back to NFPA 80 for inspection, testing, and maintenance provisions accomplishes the coordinationbetween the two documents at this time.

Affirmative: 271 Patton, V.

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5.2 5 .2 Prevention of Door Blockage.5. 2

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Door openings and the surrounding areas shall be kept clear of anything that could obstruct or interfere with the free operation of the door.

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Blocking or wedging of doors in the open position shall be prohibited.



Section_5.5_NFPA_105.docx Attached file contains content for renumbered section.


Proposal moves existing section 5.2.2 to a new position in the chapter - 5.5... No technical changes have been offered for this proposal.





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5.5 Prevention of Door Blockage. 5.5.1 Door openings and the surrounding areas shall be kept clear of anything that could obstruct or interfere with the free operation of the door. 5.5.2 Blocking or wedging of doors in the open position shall be prohibited.



5.2.4* Acceptance Testing. Acceptance testing of smoke door assemblies shall be performed by a qualified person with knowledge and understanding of the operating components of the type of assembly being subject to testing. [NFPA 80, 2013]

A.5.2.4 Visual inspection and functional testing of smoke door assemblies require the persons performing the inspections and operational testing to be thoroughlyknowledgeable of the various components and systems that are used to createsmoke door assemblies, fire-rated and non-fire rated. In the case of swinging smoke doors, these assemblies are comprised of components from several manufacturers. The requirements for smoke door assemblies without fire protection ratings vary from the requirements for fire-rated smoke door assemblies, which are subject to the requirements of NFPA 80, Standard for Fire Doors and Other Opening Protectives. Inspectors of smoke doors assemblies need be able to recognize which components can or cannot be used on specific assemblies, which requires training and experience on behalf of the persons performing the inspections. Additionally, AHJs need to be able to rely on the competency, expertise, experience, and knowledge of the smoke door assembly inspectors in their jurisdiction.

5.2.4.1* Before testing, a visual inspection shall be performed to identify any damaged or missing parts that can create a hazard during testing or affect operation or resetting. [NFPA 80, 2013]

5.2.4.2 Acceptance testing shall include the closing of the door by all means. [NFPA 80, 2013]

5.2.4.2.1 Acceptance testing shall be conducted after the building mechanical ventilation system has been balanced.

5.2.4.2.2 Acceptance testing shall be conducted after the closing mechanism has been adjusted for the applicable maximum allowable opening force.

5.2.4.3 A record of these inspections and testing shall be made in accordance with5.2.2.



Section_5.2.4_NFPA_105.docx Attached file contains the content for the proposed new section 5.2.4.


Proposal adds a new section concerning acceptance testing of smoke door assemblies. It is based on the similar requirements found in Chapter 5 of NFPA 80.






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5.2.4* Acceptance Testing. Acceptance testing of smoke door assemblies shall be performed by a qualified person with knowledge and understanding of the operating components of the type of assembly being subject to testing. [NFPA 80, 2013] A.5.2.4 Visual inspection and functional testing of smoke door assemblies require the persons performing the inspections and operational testing to be thoroughly knowledgeable of the various components and systems that are used to create smoke door assemblies, fire-rated and non-fire rated. In the case of swinging smoke doors, these assemblies are comprised of components from several manufacturers. The requirements for smoke door assemblies without fire protection ratings vary from the requirements for fire-rated smoke door assemblies, which are subject to the requirements of NFPA 80, Standard for Fire Doors and Other Opening Protectives. Inspectors of smoke doors assemblies need be able to recognize which components can or cannot be used on specific assemblies, which requires training and experience on behalf of the persons performing the inspections. Additionally, AHJs need to be able to rely on the competency, expertise, experience, and knowledge of the smoke door assembly inspectors in their jurisdiction. 5.2.4.1* Before testing, a visual inspection shall be performed to identify any damaged or missing parts that can create a hazard during testing or affect operation or resetting. [NFPA 80, 2013] 5.2.4.2 Acceptance testing shall include the closing of the door by all means. [NFPA 80, 2013] 5.2.4.2.1 Acceptance testing shall be conducted after the building mechanical ventilation system has been balanced. 5.2.4.2.2 Acceptance testing shall be conducted after the closing mechanism has been adjusted for the applicable maximum allowable opening force. 5.2.4.3 A record of these inspections and testing shall be made in accordance with 5.2.2.



5.2.5 Swinging Smoke Door Assemblies.

5.2.5.1 Smoke door assemblies shall be visually inspected from both sides to assess the overall condition of the assembly.

5.2.5.2 As a minimum, the following items shall be verified:

(1) Labels on fire-rated smoke door assemblies are clearly visible and legible and bear the "S" label marking.

(2) Door leaves without fire protection ratings comply with 7.3.1.

(3) Door frames comply with 7.3.2.

(4) Gasketing along the vertical edges of the door and across the top of the door, and at meeting edges of pairs of doors, forms a continuous seal that is not cut, notched, or otherwise modified to accommodate other hardware items.

(5) Gasketing materials are intact and close the gaps between the door and frame to seal the door opening against the passage of smoke.

(6) Doors installed in pressurized applications have a bottom seal, where required.

(7) Doors equipped with bottom seals that automatically project to fully seal the gap under the door in the closed position do not interfere with the swinging of the door when retracted or the closing of the door when projected.

(8) No open holes or breaks exist in the surfaces of either the door or frame.

(9) Glazing, vision light frames, glazing beads are intact and securely fastened in place, if so equipped.

(10) Glazing materials and vision light kits comply with 7.5 and 7.6.

(11) Glazing materials, vision light kits, and glazing beads are continuously sealed to prevent passage of smoke and gases.

(12) The door, frame, hinges, and other hardware are secured, aligned, and in working order with no visible signs of damage.

(13) No parts are missing or broken.

(14) Door clearances do not exceed dimensions listed in 7.3.3. when measured on the pull side of the door(s).

(15) The self-closing device is operational; that is, the active door completely closes when operated from the full open position.

(16) If a coordinator is installed, the inactive leaf closes before the active leaf.

(17) Where positive latching is required, latching hardware operates and secures the door when the door is in the closed position.

(18) Where door leaves, other than doors arranged for automatic-closing, are permitted to be held open with friction door holder devices, door holder devices comply with 7.3.6.6.

(19) Combustible decorations, where permitted, comply with 7.9.






Section_5.2.5_NFPA_105.docx

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5.2.5 Swinging Smoke Door Assemblies. 5.2.5.1 Smoke door assemblies shall be visually inspected from both sides to assess the overall condition of the assembly. 5.2.5.2 As a minimum, the following items shall be verified: (1) Labels on fire-rated smoke door assemblies are clearly visible and legible and bear the "S" label marking. (2) Door leaves without fire protection ratings comply with 7.3.1. (3) Door frames comply with 7.3.2. (4) Gasketing along the vertical edges of the door and across the top of the door, and at meeting edges of pairs of doors, forms a continuous seal that is not cut, notched, or otherwise modified to accommodate other hardware items. (5) Gasketing materials are intact and close the gaps between the door and frame to seal the door opening against the passage of smoke. (6) Doors installed in pressurized applications have a bottom seal, where required. (7) Doors equipped with bottom seals that automatically project to fully seal the gap under the door in the closed position do not interfere with the swinging of the door when retracted or the closing of the door when projected. (8) No open holes or breaks exist in the surfaces of either the door or frame. (9) Glazing, vision light frames, glazing beads are intact and securely fastened in place, if so equipped. (10) Glazing materials and vision light kits comply with 7.5 and 7.6. (11) Glazing materials, vision light kits, and glazing beads are continuously sealed to prevent passage of smoke and gases. (12) The door, frame, hinges, and other hardware are secured, aligned, and in working order with no visible signs of damage. (13) No parts are missing or broken. (14) Door clearances do not exceed dimensions listed in 7.3.3. when measured on the pull side of the door(s). (15) The self-closing device is operational; that is, the active door completely closes when operated from the full open position. (16) If a coordinator is installed, the inactive leaf closes before the active leaf.


(17) Where positive latching is required, latching hardware operates and secures the door when the door is in the closed position. (18) Where door leaves, other than doors arranged for automatic-closing, are permitted to be held open with friction door holder devices, door holder devices comply with 7.3.6.6. (19) Combustible decorations, where permitted, comply with 7.9.



5.2.6 Periodic Inspection and Testing.

5.2.6.1 Periodic inspection and testing shall be performed not less than annually.

5.2.6.2 As a minimum, the provisions of 5.2.4 shall be included in the periodic inspection and testing procedure.

5.2.6.3 Inspection shall include an operational test for automatic-closing doors to verify that the assembly will close under fire conditions.

5.2.6.4 The assembly shall be reset after a successful test.

5.2.6.5 Resetting of the release mechanism shall be done in accordance with the manufacturer's instructions.

5.2.6.6 Hardware and gaskets shall be inspected annually, and any parts found to be damaged or inoperative shall be replaced without delay.

5.2.6.7 Tin clad and Kalamein doors shall be inspected regularly for dry rot.



Section_5.2.6_NFPA_105.docxAttached file contains the content for the proposed new section 5.2.6 for Period Inspection and Testing,


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5.2.6 Periodic Inspection and Testing. 5.2.6.1 Periodic inspection and testing shall be performed not less than annually. 5.2.6.2 As a minimum, the provisions of 5.2.4 shall be included in the periodic inspection and testing procedure. 5.2.6.3 Inspection shall include an operational test for automatic-closing doors to verify that the assembly will close under fire conditions. 5.2.6.4 The assembly shall be reset after a successful test. 5.2.6.5 Resetting of the release mechanism shall be done in accordance with the manufacturer's instructions. 5.2.6.6 Hardware and gaskets shall be inspected annually, and any parts found to be damaged or inoperative shall be replaced without delay. 5.2.6.7 Tin clad and Kalamein doors shall be inspected regularly for dry rot.



5.3 Performance-Based Option.

5.3.1 As an alternate means of compliance with 5.2.6, subject to the AHJ, smoke door assemblies shall be permitted to be inspected, tested, and maintained under a written performance-based program.

5.3.2 Goals established under a performance-based program shall provide assurance that the smoke door assembly will perform it intended function when exposed to fire conditions.

5.3.3 The technical justification for inspection, testing, and maintenance intervals shall be documented in writing.

5.3.4 The performance-based option shall include historical data acceptable to the AHJ.


Proposed new section concerning the Performance-Based Option for the safety inspections of smoke door assemblies.



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5.4 Maintenance.

5.4.1* Repairs shall be made, and defects that could interfere with operation shall be corrected without delay. [NFPA 80, 2007]

A.5.4.1 The determination of the time required for corrective action should be based on the risk analysis and availability of replacement materials. [80:A.5.5.1]

5.4.1.1 Fire-rated smoke door assemblies shall also be maintained in accordance with NFPA 80.

5.4.2 Damaged glazing material shall be replaced in accordance with NFPA 80.

5.4.2.1 Replacement glazing material shall be installed in accordance with its individual listing, where required, and the manufacturer’s listing.

5.4.3 When holes are left in a door or frame due to changes or removal of hardware or plant-ons, the holes shall be repaired by either of the following methods:

(1) Installation of steel fasteners that completely fill the holes

(2) Filling of the screw or bolt holes with the same material as the door or frame

5.4.4 Where a smoke door, frame, or any part of its appurtenances is damaged to the extent that it could impair the door assembly's proper emergency function, thefollowing actions shall be performed:

(1) The door, frame, door assembly, or any parts of its appurtenances shall be replaced with parts obtained from the original manufacturer.

(2) The door shall be tested to ensure emergency operation and closing upon completion of the repairs, in accordance with 5.2.3.

5.4.4.1 If repairs cannot be made with parts obtained from the original manufacturer or retrofitted, the door, the door assembly, or appurtenances shall be replaced.



Section_5.4_NFPA_105.docxAttached file contains the content for the proposed new section.


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5.4 Maintenance. 5.4.1* Repairs shall be made, and defects that could interfere with operation shall be corrected without delay. [NFPA 80, 2007] A.5.4.1 The determination of the time required for corrective action should be based on the risk analysis and availability of replacement materials. [80:A.5.5.1] 5.4.1.1 Fire-rated smoke door assemblies shall also be maintained in accordance with NFPA 80. 5.4.2 Damaged glazing material shall be replaced in accordance with NFPA 80. 5.4.2.1 Replacement glazing material shall be installed in accordance with its individual listing, where required, and the manufacturer’s listing. 5.4.3 When holes are left in a door or frame due to changes or removal of hardware or plant-ons, the holes shall be repaired by either of the following methods: (1) Installation of steel fasteners that completely fill the holes (2) Filling of the screw or bolt holes with the same material as the door or frame 5.4.4 Where a smoke door, frame, or any part of its appurtenances is damaged to the extent that it could impair the door assembly's proper emergency function, the following actions shall be performed: (1) The door, frame, door assembly, or any parts of its appurtenances shall be replaced with parts obtained from the original manufacturer. (2) The door shall be tested to ensure emergency operation and closing upon completion of the repairs, in accordance with 5.2.3. 5.4.4.1 If repairs cannot be made with parts obtained from the original manufacturer or retrofitted, the door, the door assembly, or appurtenances shall be replaced.



5.2.3 Maintenance of Closing Mechanisms.5.2.3.1

Self-closing and automatic closing devices shall be kept in working condition at all times.

5.2.3.2Care shall be taken to prevent paint accumulation on any movable parts such as, but not limited to, stay rolls, gears, and closing mechanisms.



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5.2.3 Maintenance Records. Upon completion of maintenance, smoke door assemblies shall be inspected and tested in accordance with 5.2.5. 5.2.3.1* Upon completion of maintenance work, smoke door assemblies shall be inspected and tested in accordance with 5.2.3. A record of these inspections and testing shall be made in accordance with 5.2.2. A record of maintenance performed on existing smoke door assemblies shall be provided that includes, but is not limited to, the following information: (1) Date of maintenance (2) Name of facility (3) Address of facility (4) Name of person(s) performing maintenance (5) Company name and address of maintenance personnel (6) Signature of maintenance personnel performing the work (7) Individual listings of each inspected and tested smoke door assembly (8)* Opening identifier and location of each repaired smoke door assembly A.5.2.3.1(8) See A.5.2.2.4(8). (9)* Type and description of each repaired smoke door assembly A.5.2.3.1(9) See A.5.2.2.4(9). (10)* Description or listing of the work performed on each smoke door assembly A.5.2.3.1(10) When maintenance work on an existing smoke door assembly is required to correct deficiencies, as the result of a periodic inspections and testing report, the maintenance report should reference the inspections and testing report where the deficiencies where cited to show that the follow up work was performed. Descriptions of the work performed on smoke door assemblies should document the nature of the work (i.e., replaced surface mounted door closer, installed new gasketing, etc.). Maintenance records should include digital photographs of the condition of the assembly before and after the maintenance work. A.5.2.3.1 Existing smoke door assemblies that have been repaired should be inspected and tested immediately upon completion of the repair work to ensure that they are in compliance with this standard. Records of maintenance work should be maintained with the periodic safety inspections and testing records for the facility.



5.2.3 6 Maintenance of Closing Mechanisms.5.2 6 .3. 1

Self-closing and automatic closing devices shall be kept in working condition at all times.

5.2 6 .3. 2Care shall be taken to prevent paint

Paint accumulation on any movable parts part such as, but not limited to, stay rolls hinges , gears pivots , and closing mechanisms closer arms, and latching hardware shall not interfere with its operation .


Proposed change updates the numbering of this section (formerly 5.2.3) to its new position in the chapter. 5.6.2 is modified to reflect the types of hardware items installed on smoke door assemblies that might be subjected to being painted and the accumulation of paint over time that might interfere with the function of the hardware items.





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Public Input No. 2-NFPA 105-2013 [ Sections 6.5.2.1, 6.5.2.2 ]

Sections 6.5.2.1, 6.5.2.2

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*In buildings not containing a hospital, each damper shall be tested and inspected every 4 years thereafter.

The test and inspection frequency after the initial periodic test shall be 4 years.

6.5.2.2

*In buildings containing a hospital, each damper shall be tested and inspected every 6 years thereafter

For facilities with 2 sequential periodic tests and inspection with no deficiencies, the test frequency shall be 6 years.

6.5.2.3

The test and inspection frequency for hospitals shall be every 6 years .


I understand the original reason for allowing the longer test and inspection frequency for hospitals was that this occupancy type provided data showing more frequent testing was not needed. Folllowing that logic, any facility that can provide data showing no deficiencies at susequent periodic tests and inspection should be allowed the same relief as that already granted to hospitals.


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I, Michael DeVore, hereby irrevocably grant and assign to the National Fire Protection Association (NFPA) all and full rights in copyright in this Public Input (including both the Proposed Change and the Statement ofProblem and Substantiation). I understand and intend that I acquire no rights, including rights as a joint author, in any publication of the NFPA in which this Public Input in this or another similar or derivative form is used. I hereby warrant that I am the author of this Public Input and that I have full power and authority to enter into this copyright assignment.

By checking this box I affirm that I am Michael DeVore, and I agree to be legally bound by the above Copyright Assignment and the terms and conditions contained therein. I understand and intend that, by checking this box, I am creating an electronic signature that will, upon my submission of this form, have the same legal force and effect as a handwritten signature





Chapter 7 Swinging Doors



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Chapter 7 Swinging Doors 7.1* General. This chapter covers the installation of side-hinged and -pivoted swinging smoke door assemblies. A.7.1 Swinging smoke door assemblies are comprised of two categories, fire-rated and non-fire rated. Fire-rated smoke door assemblies are also required to comply with NFPA 80, Standard for Fire Doors and Other Opening Protectives. Where there are competing requirements for fire-rated doors, NFPA 80's requirements should take precedence over all other requirements. Additionally, building, fire, and life safety codes contain specific requirements that affect the design and installation of swinging smoke door assemblies. Some of the requirements of this chapter have been adapted from the requirements found in Chapter 8, Features of Fire Protection of NFPA 101, Life Safety Code, 2012 edition. Generally, swinging smoke door assemblies without fire protection rating are comprised of many of the same components that are used on swinging fire door assemblies. In many cases, the internal construction of the door leaves is the main difference between the two categories of smoke door assemblies. Each type of swinging smoke door assembly utilizes the same types of frames, doors, and builders hardware (i.e., hinges, latching hardware, closing devices, etc.) and are virtually identical except for the labels that indicate the door is fire-rated. For this reason, many of the requirements of this chapter refer directly to NFPA 80 or otherwise adapt applicable NFPA 80 requirements for use on non-fire rated swinging smoke door assemblies. Unlike fire-rated door assemblies, many of the components used in non-fire rated smoke door assemblies are not specifically tested or listed by nationally recognized testing laboratories for use on smoke door assemblies, with the exception of gasketing materials and products that have been subjected to testing in accordance with ANSI/UL1784, Standard for Air Leakage Tests for Door Assemblies. Users of this standard are encouraged to review the respective related codes and standards to determine the applicable requirements for a specific smoke door assembly. When competing requirements are found in the related codes and standards, consult the AHJ to determine which set of requirements take precedence over the others. 7.2 Swinging Doors With Fire Protection Ratings. Fire door assemblies that are intended for use as smoke door assemblies shall also comply with NFPA 80, Standard for Fire Doors and Other Opening Protectives. 7.3 Swinging Doors Without Fire Protection Ratings. Doors without fire protection ratings shall be permitted to be used as smoke door assemblies in door openings not required to be protected by fire doors. 7.3.1* Doors. Non-rated door leaves shall not be less than 1 3/4-in. (44 mm) thick, solid-bonded wood core or of equivalent material that resists fire for a minimum of 20 minutes. A.7.3.1 Door leaves used in smoke door assemblies without fire protection rating should be constructed of material that resists fire for a minimum of 20 minutes. 1 3/4-in. (44 mm) thick solid-bonded wood core doors include, but are not limited to, particleboard, agrifiber, structural composite lumber (SCL), and stave core doors. Refer to WDMA publication IS-1A, Industry Standard for Architectural Wood Flush Doors and WDMA publication IS-6A, Industry Standard for Architectural Stile and Rail Doors for specifications governing the construction of solid-


bonded wood core doors. Door leaves constructed of aluminum, fiberglass reinforced polymer (FRP), hollow metal, and steel might also be acceptable for use in smoke door assemblies without fire protection ratings; consult manufacturers' technical data to confirm their usage in smoke door assemblies. 7.3.1.1* Vertical edges of new composite and wood door leaves shall be beveled approximately 3 degrees. A.7.3.1.1 Beveling the vertical edges of composite and wood door leaves permits the door leaves to be undersized in width, from the nominal width of the door opening, less than doors that have squared vertical edges; reducing the clearance dimension between the vertical edges of the doors and the rabbets of the door frames. Industry practice is to bevel the vertical edges of doors 1/8-in:2-in (3 mm: 51 mm), which results in a bevel of approximately 3 degrees. 7.3.1.2 Doors installed in pairs shall have astragals or rabbets at meeting edges. 7.3.1.3 Doors shall be flush mounted in door frames. 7.3.1.4 Dutch doors shall be permitted to be used, provided they comply with the following: (1) Both the upper leaf and the lower leaf are equipped with a latching device. (2) The meeting edges of the upper and lower leaves are equipped with an astragal, a rabbet, or a bevel. 7.3.1.5* Louvers and transfer grilles shall not be permitted in doors., . 7.3.2* Door Frames. A.7.3.2 Door frames for smoke door assemblies without fire rating should be constructed of materials that withstand fire for a minimum of 20 minutes. Door stops in the door frames are necessary elements that provide support for the installation of gasketing materials. 7.3.2.1 Door frames with terminated stops shall be permitted, provided that the lowest portion of the terminated stops is not greater than 6-in. (152 mm) above the bottom of the frame. 7.3.2.2 Door openings in smoke door assemblies shall not be permitted to have center mullions. 7.3.2.3 Supporting Construction. Wall openings shall be constructed to readily accept the door frames. 7.3.2.4 The door frames shall be considered to be non-load bearing. 7.3.2.5 Frames shall be securely anchored to the wall construction. [NFPA 80, 2013] 7.3.3 Clearances. Smoke doors without fire protection rating shall comply with NFPA 80, Standard for Fire Doors and Other Opening Protectives.


7.3.3.1 The clearances between the top and vertical edges of side-hinged or -pivoted steel smoke doors and the frame, and the meeting stiles of pairs of doors, shall be 1/8-in. +/- 1/16-in. (3.18mm +/- 1.59mm). 7.3.3.2 The clearances between the top and vertical edges of side-hinged or -pivoted smoke doors, other than steel doors, and the frame, and the meeting stiles of pairs of doors, shall be not greater than 1/8-in. (3.18mm). 7.3.3.3 The maximum clearance between the bottom of side-hinged or -pivoted smoke doors and the finished floor shall be not greater than 3/4-in. (19 mm.), unless otherwise permitted. 7.3.3.3.1* Where permitted, the clearance between the bottom of doors and the floor covering shall not exceed 1-in. (25 mm). A.7.3.3.3.1 In some occupancy groups, the clearance between the bottom horizontal edge of the door and the floor covering is permitted to be a maximum of 1-inch on smoke doors without fire protection ratings. 7.3.3.4 Where the bottom of the door is more than 38-in. (965 mm) above the finished floor, the maximum clearance under the door shall not exceed 3/8-in. (19 mm). 7.3.4* Latching Hardware. Where required, smoke doors without fire protection rating, shall be provided with hardware that provides positive latching. A.7.3.4 In most cases, doors are required to be equipped with positive latching hardware. In some occupancy groups the building, fire, and life safety codes permit the positive latching hardware to be omitted on doors to rooms such as toilet rooms, bathrooms, shower rooms, sink closets, and similar auxiliary spaces that do not contain flammable or combustible materials. 7.3.5 Operation of Doors. Doors shall be arranged for either self- or automatic-closing, where required, unless otherwise exempted. 7.3.5.1* Self-Closing. Self-closing doors shall swing easily and freely and shall be equipped with a closing device to cause the door to close and latch each time it is opened. [NFPA 80, 2013] A.7.3.5.1 Typically, non-fire rated interior side-hinged and pivoted doors with door closers, including smoke doors without fire protection rating, are required to have a reduced opening force of a maximum of 5 lbf (22 N), once the door leaves are set in motion, to meet accessibility standards such as A117.1, Accessible and Usable Buildings and Facilities or the Americans with Disabilities Act Accessibility Guidelines (ADDAG). In some cases, a door closer with a reduced opening force might not be able to completely close a fully gasketed smoke door reliably, due to the additional pressure applied to the door when the face of the door contacts the perimeter gasketing during closing. Additionally, when positive latching hardware is required the door closer needs to overcome the friction of the latching hardware at the end of the closing cycle in order to completely close the door and cause the door to latch. Fire rated doors are exempt from the 5 lbf (22N) reduced opening force due to the recognized need for fire doors to reliably close and latch every time. Similarly, smoke doors without fire protection rating should be exempted from the reduced opening force requirement since their ability to resist the passage smoke is compromised when the doors fail to close. The AHJ


should be consulted for guidance when smoke doors without fire protection rating are not able to close reliably when equipped with reduced opening force door closers. 7.3.5.1.1 The closing mechanism shall not have a hold-open feature. [NFPA 80, 2013] 7.3.5.2 Automatic Closing. Automatic-closing doors shall be permitted to close automatically by means of the installation of a closing device and one of the following: (1) A separate, labeled, fail-safe door holder/release devices or a hold-open mechanism that shall be permitted to be an integral part of the basic closing device and the door holder device manually releases the door when pulled or pushed. (2) An integral closing device that allows the door to swing freely and that automatically closes the doors during an alarm condition, provided the hold-open mechanisms are released by one or a combination automatic fire detectors acceptable to the AHJ and the hold-open mechanism manually releases the door when pulled or pushed. 7.3.5.3 Power-Operated Doors. Power-operated doors shall be equipped with a releasing device that shall automatically disconnect the power operator at the time of fire, allowing a self-closing or automatic device to close the door regardless of power failure or manual operation, provided the following criteria are met: (1) The door is equipped with a means for keeping the door closed that is acceptable to the authority having jurisdiction. (2) The device used is capable of keeping the door fully closed if a force of 5 lbf (22 N) is applied to the latch edge of swinging doors, whether or not power is applied.


7.3.6* Builders Hardware A.7.3.6 Builders hardware products... 7.3.6.1 Conventional Hinges. Conventional hinges used on doors with closing devices shall have ball bearings or anti-friction bearings and meet the requirements of ANSI/BHMA A156.1, Standard for Butts and Hinges. 7.3.6.1.1 Hinges shall be sized in thickness, height, and width in accordance with the hinge manufacturer's recommended guidelines. Hinges shall have brass/bronze or steel base materials or be stainless steel. 7.3.6.1.2 Doors up to 60 in. (1.52 m) in height shall be provided with two hinges and an additional hinge for each additional 30 in. (0.76 m) of door height or fraction thereof. [NFPA 80, 2013] 7.3.6.1.3 The distance between hinges shall be permitted to exceed 30 in. (0.76 m). [NFPA 80, 2013] 7.3.6.1.4 Where spring hinges are used, at least two shall be provided. [NFPA 80, 2013] 7.3.6.2 Pivots. Pivots shall be in compliance with NFPA 80, Standard for Fire Doors and Other Opening Protectives. 7.3.6.3 Continuous Hinges. Continuous hinges shall be in compliance with NFPA 80, Standard for Fire Doors and Other Opening Protectives. 7.3.6.4* Locks and Latches. Locking and latching shall comply with NFPA 80, Standard for Fire Doors and Other Opening Protectives. A.7.3.6.4 In general, NFPA 80's requirements for locks and latches are commensurate with the industry-practices for the installation of positive latching hardware in smoke doors without fire protection rating and should be applied uniformly, where applicable, to smoke door assemblies. Latching hardware devices include, but are not limited, to the following: 1. Bored, mortise, and interconnected locks and latches 2. Panic hardware 3. Fire exit hardware 4. Automatic flush bolts 7.3.6.4.1 Panic Hardware and Fire Exit Hardware. Where required, panic hardware shall be installed on door assemblies that are not fire-rated door assemblies. Fire exit hardware, installed on non-fire rated doors, shall be installed in compliance with NFPA 80. 7.3.6.4.2* Roller Latches. Where permitted, roller latches that are capable of keeping the doors closed when a force of 5 lbf (22 N) is applied to the latch edge of the door shall be permitted to be used. A.7.3.6.4.2 Roller latches are designed to hold the door leaves closed by friction between the spring-loaded roller and the surface of the strike plate; they do not provide positive latching. In new health care occupancy groups, roller latches are only permitted to be used in acute


psychiatric settings where patient special clinical needs require specialized protective measures for their safety. Roller latches are also permitted to be used in existing health care occupancies, provided their use is permitted by the authority having jurisdiction and the building is protected throughout by an approved automatic sprinkler system. In both cases, roller latches are required to be capable of holding the door leaves closed when force of 5 lbf (22 N) is applied to the latch edge of the door. Roller latches are not permitted to be used on doors that have fire protection ratings. 7.3.6.4.3 Strike plates for locks and latches on pairs of doors shall not have extended lips that prevent astragals from sealing the gap at the meeting edges of the doors. 7.3.6.5 Door Closing Devices. Door closing devices, other than spring hinges, shall meet the requirements of ANSI/BHMA A156.4 Door Controls - Closers, Grade 1. 7.3.6.5.1 Where non-rated doors are permitted to be held open, door closing device shall be permitted to have an integral friction hold-open feature that permits the door to be closed when pulled or pushed. 7.3.6.5.2 Doors arranged for automatic-closing shall have a closing device that meets the requirements of 7.3.5.2. 7.3.6.6 Door Holder/Release Devices. Door holder/release devices for automatic-closing doors shall be installed in accordance with the manufacturer's instructions and only in conformance with the individual manufacturer's published listings. [NFPA 80, 2013] 7.3.6.6.1* Where required for non-fire rated smoke doors without door closers, only door holder devices that release when pushed or pulled shall be permitted. A.7.3.6.6.1 In some occupancy groups, door-closing devices are not required to be installed on smoke door assemblies without fire protection ratings. In the absence of a means of holding doors open, occupants might block door open with chocks, furniture, tie-downs, or drop-down/plunger-type devices, etc. Examples of permitted door holder devices include friction catches (e.g., wall mounted, floor mounted, or overhead mounted) and magnetic catches. Door holder/release devices for swinging doors should, wherever possible, be installed at the top of the door as close as possible to the lock edge and should be located to avoid interference with any other hardware. If necessary, the holder/release device can be located at the bottom of the door as close as possible to the lock edge, with the device installed on the wall or floor. 7.3.6.7* Protection Plates. Doors without fire protection rating are permitted to have non-rated, factory- or field-applied, protection plates of unlimited size, unless otherwise restricted by the door or protection plate manufacturers' specifications. A.7.3.6.7 Armor, kick, mop, stretcher, and edge guards are types of protection plates. Protection plates should not be permitted to be used to conceal damage that compromises the structural integrity of the doors (i.e., split or delaminating vertical edges) or to conceal cutouts resulting from removing hardware items.


7.3.6.8* Attaching Hardware to Doors and Frames. Hardware items shall be attached to doors and frames in accordance with NFPA 80, Standard for Fire Doors and Other Opening Protectives. A.7.3.6.8 In most cases, the means of fastening for builders hardware products installed on non-fire rated door assemblies is the same as the means of fastening for builders hardware products installed on fire-rated door assemblies. Installation practices such as drilling pilot holes or tapping holes in steel doors and frames are the same for fire-rated and non-fire rated doors. Some fasteners for builders hardware products have specially designed or undercut heads that are necessary to allow the fasteners to seat properly when installed. Use of fasteners from sources other than the respective hardware manufacturers should not be permitted to be used, as their use might affect door operation and might void the warranties of the affected hardware items. 7.5 Vision Panels in Doors. Vision panels in smoke doors shall comply with NFPA 80, Standard for Fire Doors and Other Opening Protectives and shall not exceed the sizes tested in accordance with the door manufacturer's published listings. 7.5.1 The perimeter of the glazing material and vision panel frames shall be sealed to resist the passage of smoke. 7.6 Glazing in Sidelight and Transom Light Frames. Glazing in sidelight and transom light frames shall comply with NFPA 80, Standard for Fire Doors and Other Opening Protectives and shall not exceed the sizes tested in accordance with the door manufacturer's published listings. 7.6.1* The perimeter of the glazing material shall be sealed to resist the passage of smoke. 7.7 Side Panel and Transom Panel Frames. The perimeter of fixed solid panels used in side panel and transom panel frames shall be sealed to resist the passage of smoke. 7.7.1 Removable panels shall be permitted, provided they are gasketed in compliance with 7.8. 7.8* Gasketing and Astragals A.7.8 Gasketing for smoke door assemblies is available in a wide variety of sizes, shapes, materials, colors, and configurations. Some gasketing products are designed to be installed between the rabbet and door stops of the door frames and the doors with adhesive. Other gasketing products include aluminum or stainless steel channels of various profiles that are surface-mounted to the soffit of the door frame by means of mechanical fasteners such as sheet metal screws or self-drilling/self-tapping screws. Gasketing materials in soffit mounted products include materials such as silicone and neoprene bulbs and sponges, and nylon brushes. 7.8.1 Gasketing. The gaps between the top and vertical edges of the door and frame, and the meeting edges of pairs of doors, shall be closed with labeled gasketing material in accordance with the gasketing manufacturer's published listings use smoke gasketing.


7.8.1.1* Gasketing material shall form a continuous seal along the top and vertical edges of the doors and at meeting edges of pairs of doors. A.7.8.1.1 Regardless of the design of gasketing applied to smoke door assemblies, the gasketing is of little value if it is not installed properly. The gasketing material should from an unbroken seal along the full height of the side jambs and across the head jambs and the full height of meeting edges of pairs of doors. Gasketing materials should not be permitted to be cut or notched to fit around other soffit-mounted hardware items such as door closer brackets (i.e., parallel arm brackets) or strikes for panic hardware and fire exit hardware devices. Similarly, astragals applied to the face of doors should not be permitted to be cutout or notched around protruding strike plate lips. Gasketing products should be installed in accordance with the gasketing manufacturer's installation instructions. When properly installed, gasketing should contact the surface of the door, whether the gasketing is applied to the rabbets and stops or to the soffit area of the frame. A bright concentrated beam of light can be used to verify that the gasketing material blocks the light from passing through to the ungasketed side of the door, which should be indicative of the gasketing's ability to block the passage of smoke and gases. 7.8.1.2* Where mortising of doors to receive hardware items creates a void along the vertical or top edges of doors, soffit mounted gasketing shall be required. A.7.8.1.2 Voids created in the door leaves such as mortising the top rail of doors for overhead stops or concealed overhead door closers require soffit mounted gasketing to seal the top edge of the door. 7.8.2* Where required, gaps between the bottom of the doors and the floor shall be closed with labeled gasketing in accordance with the gasketing manufacturer's published listing. A.7.8.2 Complete sealing of doors is not always desirable. A disadvantage of complete sealing is the difficulty of opening or closing doors because of the pressure differential. Some smoke management designs call for some areas to be pressurized. A small pressure acting across the full area of the door can exert sufficient force to make opening the door difficult. A seal must be first broken to equalize the pressure on both sides of the door before the door can be opened easily. 7.8.2.1 Automatic door bottoms that close the gap between the bottom of the door and the floor or threshold shall be permitted to be installed, where required. 7.8.3 Astragals. Astragals that inhibit the free use of either leaf of pairs of doors equipped with panic hardware or fire exit hardware shall not be permitted. 7.8.3.1 Pairs of doors that do not swing in the direction of egress travel shall be permitted to be equipped with an overlapping astragal, provided the astragal does not inhibit the free use of the active leaves.


7.8.3.2 Pairs of doors equipped with automatic, self-latching, or manual flush bolts shall be permitted to be equipped with an overlapping astragal, provided the astragal does not interfere with the operation of active leaves or the closing of inactive leaves. 7.8.3.3 Split astragals shall be permitted to be installed on pairs of doors, provided that both door leaves open and completely close without interference. 7.9* Decorations on Doors. Combustible decorations such as photographs, paintings, and other art, shall be permitted to be attached on non-fire rated doors, provided such decorations do not interfere with the operation of the door or any required latching. 7.9* Signage on Doors. Signage such as safety warnings, etc., shall be permitted to be attached on non-fire rated doors, provided such objects do not interfere with the operation of the door or any required latching. A.7.9 Signage on doors includes items such as room names, numbers, and safety warnings. Other items that are of a personal preference such as photographs, collages, sketches, drawings, and posters are types of combustible decorations that might reduce or compromise the door's ability to effectively block the passage of smoke and should be limited in size accordingly. 7.9.1 Combustible decorations on the room side of non-fire rated doors shall not exceed the following area limitations: (1) 20 percent of the door area inside any room or space of a smoke compartment that is not protected throughout by an approved supervised automatic sprinkler system. (2) 30 percent of the door area inside any room or space of a smoke compartment that is protected throughout by an approved supervised automatic sprinkler system. (3) 50 percent of the door area inside patient sleeping rooms having a capacity not exceeding 4 persons, in a smoke compartment that is protected throughout by an approved supervised automatic sprinkler system. 7.9.1.1 Combustible decorations on the corridor side of the door shall be prohibited. 7.9.1.2 Combustible decorations on fire-rated smoke door assemblies shall be prohibited.



A.6.5.2If the damper is arranged to be activated automatically, such as by a smoke detector or other device or system, the periodic test required by 6.5.2 should involve need not involve the initiation of the detector and other device or system. The damper can also be can be actuated and cycled aspart of the associated smoke detector testing in accordance with NFPA 72 , National Fire Alarm and Signaling Code . However, such testing does not meet all the testing and inspection requirements of this standard. The NFPA 72 testing can be combined with the inspection and testing requirements of this standard, provided that all testing requirements of this standard are met. Ifoperational issues are discovered during NFPA 72 testing, they should be reported to the building owner for corrective measures as required by this standard. For additional information, refer to NFPA 4, Standard forIntegrated Fire Protection and Life Safety System Testing.


It is outside the scope of this document to require testing of the detector along with the smoke damper. If testing of such an integrated system is required, it is within the scope of NFPA 4.




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From: Bruce Campbell [[email protected]]Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2011 9:25 AMTo: Jeff MooreCc: Collette, KristinSubject: RE: NPFA 80 question

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Hi Jeff: I agree with your view on how we define a “plane”. Our intent was more where there are situations where the damper is fully outside of the plane. I’ve seen situations where the damper is 1 to 2 feet away from the wall, clearly in this case the short section of ductwork would not be protected (or would require protection to meet the intent of 19.2.1.1.2). You do bring‐up a good point, I’ll put this on our “list” to address within the committee. It’s too late for this cycle, but we’ll keep it for the next cycle. Will you be at the NFPA next week? Bruce. Kristin: Can you add this to our list. Thanks, Bruce. Bruce Campbell, FSFPE | Vice President, DOE Services | Hughes Associates, Inc. 520 Courtney Way | Suite A | Lafayette, Colorado 80026-8863 Note Our New Address! Direct: 303.917-0205 | Fax: 303.439.7160 [email protected] | www.haifire.com

From: Jeff Moore Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2011 7:05 AM To: Bruce Campbell Subject: NPFA 80 question Bruce, Oh great and mighty one from whom all fire door and damper wisdom flows, I have a question I hope you can answer.


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NFPA 80-2010, 19.2.1.1.2 requires a fire damper to be installed "within the plane of the fire resistance rated assembly, unless listed otherwise." My question is, does this mean the entire damper must be located within the confines of the rated assembly or can a portion of the assembly be "sticking out" from the rated assembly. My application is fire dampers in both floor and wall assemblies. There are dampers that are not located entirely within the confines the wall or floor. They "stick out" one or two inches on one side of the other. It would seem to me that if the pivot points for the blades is located within the wall/floor when the damper closes we should be OK, but I'm not sure. It seems like I've seen dampers installed with sleeves in which the sleeve goes through the wall, but the damper is actually located on one side of other of the wall. Alas, the manufacturer's instructions refer to NFPA 80 and the UL listing. The listing says follow the manufacturer's instructions. I guess my problem is the imprecision with which the NFPA 80 committee expressed the requirement. From my 7th grade geometry I seem to remember that a "plane" has no thickness (i.e., it's infinitely thin). This being the case, how can anything be installed within the "plane" of the wall or floor, unless the intent is that the damper be located entirely within the wall/floor. Maybe you could do something about that. Thanks, Jeff Oh great and mighty one from whom all wisdom flows. I have a question I hope you can answer. Jeffrey Moore, P.E. | Senior Fire Protection Engineer | Hughes Associates, Inc. 689 Park Avenue | Cincinnati, Ohio 45246-2115 Tel: 513.742.4734 | www.haifire.com


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From: William Koffel [[email protected]]Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 11:19 AMTo: Collette, KristinSubject: RE: Question on NFPA 80 2010 edition Section 4.5

Kristin, How soon do you need an answer? It might be helpful to find the proposal that inserted Paragraph 4.5. As I recall, the original proposal was submitted by Kate Steel. I believe her intent was to allow the use of fire resistance rated glazing without an area limit in 1‐1/2 hour doors even if the Table provides a limit. Her initial proposal might have been to require fire resistance rated glazing. With respect to three hour fire doors, one could clearly argue that fire resistance rated glazing would also meet the requirements of fire protection rated glazing and as such, Paragraph 4.4.4 would apply and there would be an area limit of 100 sq in (or should I say 0.065 m2 since I am in Manila?). Maybe this is my preliminary response contingent upon a review of the proposals (and possibly comments) that led to the text that exists. Bill

From: Collette, Kristin [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 8:00 AM To: William Koffel Subject: RE: Question on NFPA 80 2010 edition Section 4.5 Manila – neat! Here is the applicable text from 80, 2010. Thanks for looking at this. Safe travels! 4.4.4* Fire protection glazing not exceeding 100 in.2 (0.065m2) shall be permitted in fire doors having a 3-hour fire protection rating or in fire doors having a 11⁄2-hour fire protection rating for use in severe exterior fire exposure locations where the fire protection glazing has been tested for the desired rating period with no through- penings in accordance with NFPA 252, Standard Methods of Fire Tests of Door Assemblies. 4.4.5* Glazing material shall be permitted in fire doors having the fire protection ratings shown in Table 4.4.5 when tested in accordance with NFPA 252, Standard Methods of Fire Tests of Door Assemblies, and shall be limited in size and area in accordance with Table 4.4.5. 4.5 Fire Resistance–Rated Glazing in Doors and Windows. Fire resistance–rated glazing that limits the temperature rise on the unexposed surface and withstands the impact of the hose stream test as required for walls for the required duration in accordance with NFPA 251, Standard Methods of Tests of Fire Resistance of Building Construction and Materials, and is subsequently tested in accordance with NFPA 252, Standard Methodsof Fire Tests of Door Assemblies, or NFPA 257, Standard on Fire Test for Window and Glass Block Assemblies, shall be permitted in fire doors or windows having a fire protection rating of 11⁄2 hours or less and shall be limited to the maximum area tested. See also the requirements in 6.3.3.3 and 6.3.3.4. (See Annex D.) Kristin

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Technical Committees. In addition, this correspondence is neither intended, nor should it be relied upon, to provide professional consultation or services. The United States Fire Administration (USFA) and National Fire Protection Association (NFPA) are working together to remind everyone that home fires are more prevalent in winter than in any other season. Learn how to reduce your risk of experiencing a fire this winter.

www.nfpa.org/winter Check out NFPA on social media… www.nfpa.org/socialmedia

From: William Koffel [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2012 4:29 PM To: Collette, Kristin Subject: RE: Question on NFPA 80 2010 edition Section 4.5 Kristin, I am pretty sure I remember the intent of the provision but unfortunately I do not have the 2010 Edition here in Manila with me. Since the online version is challenging to use, can you scan or copy text and send it to me? Bill

From: Collette, Kristin [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2012 2:22 PM To: William Koffel Subject: Question on NFPA 80 2010 edition Section 4.5 Hi Bill – A question came up to Bruce and I regarding Section 4.5 of NFPA 80, 2010 and I was hoping you could provide your opinion on it too. As written, I read 4.5 to permit fire resistance rated glazing in doors or windows having a fire protection rating of 90 min or less. In addition to the limitation on the door or window rating, the glazing material itself is limited to the maximum area tested. This would imply that fire resistance rated glazing is not permitted in doors or windows with a fire protection rating greater than 90 min. However, in Section 4.4.4 and 4.4.5, we permit fire protection rated glazing to be used in fire doors having a 3 hours rating. So NFPA 80 is more restrictive on the use of fire resistance rated glazing? Am I reading this correctly or is there something wrong? Kristin

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Technical Committees. In addition, this correspondence is neither intended, nor should it be relied upon, to provide professional consultation or services. The United States Fire Administration (USFA) and National Fire Protection Association (NFPA) are working together to remind everyone that home fires are more prevalent in winter than in any other season. Learn how to reduce your risk of experiencing a fire this winter.

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From: Harold Hicks [[email protected]]Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 5:30 PMTo: 'McDaniel, Richard (rnm5w)'Cc: 'Bruce Campbell'; Bigda, KristinSubject: RE: "Fire Door Caulk"

Richard, sorry I am just getting to your email. The particular product you have mentioned has not been addressed by the technical committee to my knowledge; nor have we really addressed damage other than holes. The holes are addressed in section 5.3.7 of the 2013 code or section 5.2.15.4 of the 2010 code. I do not believe that the manufacturer’s claims (Fire Door Solutions) are appropriate:

“Fire Door Caulk is the only tested and approved filler material for filling voids and through penetrations in existing listed and labeled wood fire doors. Using other types of filler material can void your UL listed assembly. Fire Door Caulk has been tested to the following criteria, NFPA 252, UL10C and CAN S104. The caulk has been tested for use in holes up to 3/4" in wood fire doors rated up to 90 minutes.

NFPA 80 Compliant” (As a committee member and former Chairman I am not sure that this means anything and we should discourage such labeling.)

I am amused that they reference that it is the only product that maintains the UL listing while it has only been tested by Intertek Testing. It has only been evaluated and not given a product certification.

It would certainly be something to consider as a new technology that has not been previously addressed by the codes.

Harold

Kristin and Bruce we should put this n an agenda item for consideration at the next meeting. I will present it as I wish to do a little more investigation. Here is the website for the information on this product - http://firedoorsolutions.rsvp3.com/products/fire-door-caulk-8-detail


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From: Bruce Campbell [[email protected]]Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2013 7:47 PMTo: Steve Hahn; Bigda, KristinSubject: RE: fire curtains

Steve: Thanks for the information, very helpful Kristin: Could you put this on our agenda for our meeting in Pittsburgh. Thanks, Bruce. Bruce Campbell, FSFPE | Vice President, DOE Services | Hughes Associates, Inc. 520 Courtney Way | Suite A | Lafayette, Colorado 80026-8863 Direct: 303.917-0205 | Fax: 303.439.7160 [email protected] | www.haifire.com

From: Steve Hahn [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2013 5:27 PM To: Bigda, Kristin Cc: Bruce Campbell Subject: fire curtains Hi Kristin, I hope all is well. As an FYI, UL is developing a new standard 10D for fire protective curtains. These are not the same as fabric fire safety curtains for proscenium openings. You can check the GSSN category guide for more information about them. I’m not sure if we need to address this product in 80 or not – either now or in the future.

Steve Hahn Lawrence Roll‐Up Doors, Inc. [email protected] Call 925‐634‐1508 Fax 925‐634‐1578 www.lawrencedoors.com


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From: Roeper, Kurt [[email protected]]Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2013 8:31 AMTo: Bigda, KristinCc: Greene, LoriSubject: Signage on rated glazingAttachments: rated glass doors.jpg

Kristin, We have run across an interesting question this week and would welcome your input; NFPA 80 – 2013 states the following; 4.1.4.3 Signs shall not be installed on glazing material in fire doors. NFPA 101 – 2012 states the following; 7.2.1.6 (4)*A readily visible, durable sign in letters not less than 1 in. (25 mm) high and not less than 1⁄8 in. (3.2 mm) in stroke width on a contrasting background that reads as follows shall be located on the door leaf adjacent to the release device in the direction of egress: PUSH UNTILALARM SOUNDS DOOR CAN BE OPENED IN 15 SECONDS Question – where the doors are fire‐rated and glazed and fitted with delayed egress hardware, as in the attached photo, what is the appropriate method for affixing the signage? Kurt Roeper ASSA ABLOY Door Security Solutions Director ‐ Industry Affairs, Codes & Standards 110 Sargent Drive New Haven, CT 06511 Phone: 513.384.9886 [email protected]


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From: Bruce Campbell [[email protected]]Sent: Monday, May 13, 2013 11:06 AMTo: Harold Hicks; Bigda, KristinSubject: RE: Fire Skin

Harold: Good point, I think it is, but if not we’ll get it on. Thanks, Soupy. Bruce Campbell, FSFPE | Vice President, DOE Services | Hughes Associates, Inc. 520 Courtney Way | Suite A | Lafayette, Colorado 80026-8863 Direct: 303.917-0205 | Fax: 303.439.7160 [email protected] | www.haifire.com

From: Harold Hicks [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Monday, May 13, 2013 7:24 AM To: [email protected]; Bruce Campbell Subject: Fire Skin

Soupy and Kristen – did I ask to put Fire Door Retrofit Kits on the agenda for our next meeting. Specifically, I am curious as to how we handle a product by Fire Safety Technologies (see www.fireskin.com for details). This is a UL/ULC retrofit kit. I do not have any experience with it but am wondering if we need to address this specifically in the next edition of the standard. Harold D. Hicks, FSFPE President Atlantic Code Consultants 4530 William Penn Hwy. No. 4350 Murrysville, PA 15668-2002 412-860-8709 “Life is precious and time is a key element. Let’s make every moment count and help those who have a greater need than our own.” Harmon Killebrew


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From: William Koffel [[email protected]]Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2013 10:55 AMTo: Harold Hicks; 'Bruce Campbell'; Bigda, KristinSubject: RE: Fire Rated Door and Frame Field Labeling

It is not the intention of the DHI to have their certified inspectors “labeling” doors. I wonder if Fire Door Solutions meets the definition of an organization that can label a door (see the definition of label). In Maryland there was an FPE firm that offered to label fire doors. They were contacted by the State and told to discontinue the practice in that they were not an organization “acceptable to the authority having jurisdiction” and as such were not permitted to apply labels to fire doors. Having said that, Harold’s concept of a section to address field labeling may be appropriate. Bill

From: Harold Hicks [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2013 10:42 AM To: 'Bruce Campbell'; 'Bigda, Kristin'; William Koffel Subject: RE: Fire Rated Door and Frame Field Labeling

It occurs to me that we really do not have a section in NFPA 80 concerning field labeling. As I mentioned before, I cannot find Fire Door Solutions in the ITS Certification ranks. Maybe someone else has provided them that capability. However, I do not believe it was the intent of DHI to have inspectors who are capable of field labeling in their program. Maybe the time is right to consider a section specifically addressing field labeling and ask the testing agencies for some advice on this. Harold


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From: Bruce Campbell [[email protected]]Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2013 7:01 PMTo: Bigda, KristinCc: [email protected]: Another Item for the "List"

Kristin: Please add another item to our next meeting:

Should we add a requirement that fire door labels are within in 3 to 5‐feet from the floor level? Lately I’ve seen some cases where it’s difficult to read the fire door label because it’s too high on the door edge, e.g. 6 or 7‐feet above floor level. Bruce. BRUCE G. CAMPBELL, FSFPE | VICE PRESIDENT, DOE SERVICES

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From: Keith Pardoe [[email protected]]Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2013 9:17 AMTo: Bigda, KristinSubject: NFPA 80 Attachments: nfpa 80 written records proposal.docx

Hi Kristin, Have you ever had the feeling you were forgetting something and then later you remember what it was that you forgot? I had that feeling all weekend long and then in the middle of the night last night I awoke remembering what is was that I forgot… Attached is a word doc that I drafted for the written records requirements for NFPA 80 back in 2011. At the time, we were able to “bring in” the records requirements for the inspections, but it was too late at that time to add the requirements for maintenance records. (See the yellow highlighted text in the attached file.) I intended on submitting these maintenance records for this revision cycle, but I completely forgot about them until I woke up in the middle of the night last night thinking about them. If I recall correctly, we left it that these requirements would be carried over to the next revision cycle (that being the 2016 cycle that we are now in) and we would discuss them at that time. Do you remember how we left it? Is this something that can be presented to the committee without being submitted in the Public Input period? Thanks. Regards, Keith


5.2.2 A written record of all inspections and testing shall be signed by the inspector and kept for inspection by the AHJ. 5.2.2.1* Records shall be retained until the AHJ's review and for seven (7) years thereafter. A.5.2.2.1 In many cases AHJs are not able to inspect each building in their jurisdiction each year. Inspection and testing records need to be retained during the intervening periods between the AHJ's formal visits to provide evidence that the inspections and testing were performed as required by this standard. Additionally, maintenance records documenting that the necessary corrective actions have been made in accordance with this standard should be stored with the inspection and testing records for the same period of time. Retaining the records for seven (7) allows the AHJ the ability to look back over an extended period of time to verify that the fire door assemblies are being properly maintained. 5.2.2.2 The records shall be kept on a medium that will survive the retention period. Paper or electronic media shall be permitted. [NFPA 72, 14.6.2.3] 5.2.2.3* Upon completion of installation, fire door assemblies shall be inspected and tested in accordance with 5.2.3. A record of these inspections and testing shall be made in accordance with 5.2.2. A.5.2.2.3 Installation of new fire door assemblies should be documented in the same manner and level of detail as the periodic inspections and testing of fire door assemblies required by 5.2.3 and 5.2.4. Records of new fire door assemblies should be retained with the periodic inspections and testing records for the facility. 5.2.2.4 A record of all inspections and testing shall be provided that includes the following information: (1) Date of inspection (2) Name of facility (3) Address of facility (4) Name of person(s) performing inspections and testing (5) Company name and address of inspecting company (6) Signature of inspector of record (7) Individual listings of each inspected and tested fire door assembly (8)* Opening identifier and location of each inspected and tested fire door assembly (9)* Type and description of each inspected and tested fire door assembly (10)* Verification of functional operation (11) Check for damage that compromises integrity of the assemblies (12) Listing of deficiencies in accordance with 5.2.3, 5.3, and 5.4 A.5.2.2.4(8) Each fire door assembly in a facility should be assigned a unique identifier code (e.g., door number) that can be used to track the assembly's compliance and maintenance records throughout the lifetime of its installation. Identifier codes could be a door assembly number, bar code, or other code that is unique to each fire door assembly in the facility. A.5.2.2.4(9) To aid the AHJ during the review of the inspections and testing reports, the records should include a description of the type of fire door assembly. Type 6: Swinging Door with Builders Hardware Type 7: Swinging Fire Door with Fire Door Hardware Type 8: Horizontally Sliding Fire Door Type 9: Special Purpose Horizontally Accordion or Folding Door


Type 10: Vertically Sliding Fire Door Type 11: Rolling Steel Door Type 12: Fire Shutter Type 13: Service Counter Fire Door Type 14: Hoistway Doors for Elevators and Dumbwaiter Type 15: Chute Door Type 16: Access Door Type 17: Fire Window Type 20: Fabric Fire Safety Curtain A.5.2.2.4(10) Functional operation of fire door assemblies should include testing of the closing device, complete closure of the fire door, and full engagement of latch(es) where required by door type. Functional testing of automatic‐closing or power‐operated fire door assemblies and electrically‐controlled latching hardware might need to be coordinated with the facility during other electrically‐controlled system tests. 5.2.2.5* Upon completion of maintenance work, fire door assemblies shall be inspected and tested in accordance with 5.2.3. A record of these inspections and testing shall be made in accordance with 5.2.2. A record of maintenance performed on existing fire door assemblies shall be provided that includes the following information: (1) Date of maintenance (2) Name of facility (3) Address of facility (4) Name of person(s) performing maintenance (5) Company name and address of maintenance personnel (6) Signature of maintenance personnel performing the work (7) Individual listings of each inspected and tested fire door assembly (8)* Opening identifier and location of each repaired fire door assembly (9)* Type and description of each repaired fire door assembly (10)* Description or listing of the work performed on each fire door assembly A.5.2.2.5 Existing fire door assemblies that have been repaired should be inspected and tested immediately upon completion of the repair work to ensure that they are in compliance with this standard. Records of maintenance work should be maintained with the periodic inspections and testing records for the facility. A.5.2.2.5(8) See A.5.2.2.4(8). A.5.2.2.5(9) See A.5.2.2.4(9). A.5.2.2.5(10) When maintenance work on an existing fire door assembly is required as the result of a periodic inspections and testing report to correct deficiencies, the maintenance report should reference the inspections and testing report where the deficiencies where cited to show that the follow up work was performed. Descriptions of the work performed on fire door assemblies should document the nature of the work (i.e., replaced surface mounted door closer, installed new gasketing, etc.). Where the work performed included field modifications permitted by the laboratory, in accordance with 5.1.5.2 and approved by the AHJ, documentation of the permission and approval should be attached to the maintenance report.


Proposed revision to NFPA 80-2013, for NFPA 80 Committee consideration July 2013 draft Add an Appendix paragraph as follows: A4.7.1 When the automatic-closing device of a door is installed above a ceiling, detectors should be used to activate automatic closing to avoid the complexity of routing fusible link assemblies when means of activation are required below the ceiling, or above and below the ceiling. Supportive reasoning: Paragraph 4.7.1, under Section 4.7 Placement of Detectors, reads as follows: "All detectors, including fusible links, shall be placed as shown in Figure 4.7.1(a) and Figure 4.7.1(b), but in no event shall detectors be place in the dead air space shown in Figure 4.7.1(a)." The proposed Appendix sentence recommends a performance based approach. The primary objective of an automatic closing device is to effectively activate under a designed-for fire condition. Besides a "dead air space", an automatic closing device installed between a ceiling and a building roof may encounter one or more of the following obstacles: * Roof geometry (other than flat) above the installed device * Ceiling type (drywall; suspended) below the installed device * Door guides concealed inside walls * Geometry/routing of the fusible link cable/chain, as a function of the type of closing system * Utilities (electric wiring; HVAC ductwork; water lines) between the ceiling and the roof The sentence language is a reminder to ensure that effective activation occurs at any installed vertical location of the device(s) between the floor and the roof of the building.


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From: Bruce Campbell [[email protected]]Sent: Friday, July 12, 2013 5:18 PMTo: Bigda, Kristin; Harold HicksSubject: FW: New discussion Fire Door Clearances

FYI. Might not hurt to put this on the agenda as well. BRUCE G. CAMPBELL, FSFPE | VICE PRESIDENT, DOE SERVICES


From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Charles A. Noble, III Sent: Friday, July 12, 2013 2:06 PM To: Bruce Campbell Subject: New discussion Fire Door Clearances

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"We had our, patent pending, Crown Fire Door Stop System tested with UL a few weeks ago using the NFPA-252, UL-63, UL-10B, and UL-10C tests. We received approval for 3 hours that allows gaps, on steel doors, to exceed from the 3/16" allowance to 1/2". Again, for steel doors. Our wood door system is scheduled for later this summer. The wood door system will allow the gap to exceed the 1/8" allowance to 3/8". With UL approval. We are excited about our new products and also our new company, "Crown Fire Door Products". We are projecting the steel door system will be available the end of July (2013). It will be marketed through Door Distributors and Life Safety Companies. Our new company's website will launch the end of July. The website will have all the technical data along with testimonies, and a how it works page. I would also like to say thanks to my local DHI Chapter (The New England DHI Chapter) for encouraging us in our new endeavor. It means a lot.. Thanks, Chuck Noble"

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From: Bruce Campbell [[email protected]]Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2013 3:30 PMTo: Bigda, KristinSubject: RE: NFPA 80

Sounds good, thanks, BRUCE G. CAMPBELL, FSFPE | VICE PRESIDENT, DOE SERVICES


From: Bigda, Kristin [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2013 1:22 PM To: Bruce Campbell Subject: RE: NFPA 80 Yes I agree. As of now I think users can get by with saying that Section 5.1.2.1 “Doors, shutters, and windows shall be operable at all times” would not allow door blockage and would also require operable closing mechanisms. Again, we can always process a TIA if necessary as well. I would be happy to move that forward prior to November if necessary. Kristin Important Notice: This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPA Regulations. Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarily represent the official position of the NFPA or its Technical Committees. In addition, this correspondence is neither intended, nor should it be relied upon, to provide professional consultation or services.

From: Bruce Campbell [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2013 3:19 PM To: Bigda, Kristin Cc: Minister, Andrew G Subject: RE: NFPA 80 Thanks, My current thought is that we may want to put the language back in. BRUCE G. CAMPBELL, FSFPE | VICE PRESIDENT, DOE SERVICES



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From: Bigda, Kristin [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2013 1:15 PM To: Bruce Campbell Subject: RE: NFPA 80 Just a quick follow‐up. I looked in both the ROP and ROC from last year and my files. The language regarding door blockage and closing mechanisms was included in the ROP draft of Chapter 5 but was not included in the ROC draft of Chapter 5. I have two Chapter 5 files, one from just before the ROC meeting and one from after the ROC meeting. The blockage/closing mech. language was in the draft before the ROC meeting and removed after the ROC meeting. Again, I don’t 100% recall if this was intentional but I think I very vaguely remember the task group/committee stating that those concepts were already covered in other language in Chapter 5. I might recommend that we contact a few other committee members prior to November to see what they think and bring it to the entire committee in November. Enjoy your holiday weekend as well! Kristin Important Notice: This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPA Regulations. Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarily represent the official position of the NFPA or its Technical Committees. In addition, this correspondence is neither intended, nor should it be relied upon, to provide professional consultation or services.

From: Bruce Campbell [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2013 2:24 PM To: Bigda, Kristin Cc: Minister, Andrew G Subject: RE: NFPA 80 Thanks! Have a great upcoming holiday. BRUCE G. CAMPBELL, FSFPE | VICE PRESIDENT, DOE SERVICES


From: Bigda, Kristin [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2013 12:19 PM To: Bruce Campbell Subject: RE: NFPA 80 Bruce – I actually had this penciled‐in in my code with a question mark book because I had a similar question. The task group that worked on this Chapter went through every section very thoroughly and I do feel like this was intentional, but at the same time, I am not sure if it was the right thing to do. I vaguely remember the task group saying that this section wasn’t needed because it was already implied by other sections in Chapter 5 (maybe?)


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I would definitely recommend bringing this up again at the next meeting. If the committee feels that it should be in the 2013 we could always process a TIA to get it back in. I’ll let you know if I find anything else related to this. Kristin Important Notice: This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPA Regulations. Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarily represent the official position of the NFPA or its Technical Committees. In addition, this correspondence is neither intended, nor should it be relied upon, to provide professional consultation or services.

From: Bruce Campbell [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2013 5:06 PM To: Minister, Andrew G Cc: Bigda, Kristin Subject: RE: NFPA 80 Hi Andy: I don’t remember if we intentionally removed that language. I’ll check and see. I’ll also put this on our list for November and if warranted add the language back in. Thanks, Bruce BRUCE G. CAMPBELL, FSFPE | VICE PRESIDENT, DOE SERVICES


From: Minister, Andrew G [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2013 2:17 PM To: Bruce Campbell Subject: NFPA 80

Bruce, I was reviewing the latest edition of NFPA 80 yesterday and comparing it to the 2010 edition. There is a major change that I don’t understand and I wanted to ask you for an unofficial explanation of the change. In the 2010 edition had the following requirements: 5.2.13 Prevention of Door Blockage. 5.2.13.1 Door openings and the surrounding areas shall be kept clear of anything that could obstruct or interfere with the free operation of the door.


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5.2.13.2 Where necessary, a barrier shall be built to prevent the piling of material against sliding doors. 5.2.13.3 Blocking or wedging of doors in the open position shall be prohibited. In the 2013 edition, these requirements no long are in the standard. I reviewed the ROP and ROC and saw that Chapter 5 had a major rewrite and the requirements were in the ROP, but were dropped in the ROC. The ROC did not mention why the requirement had changed. I am not sure if this was intentional or if it was an oversight by the task group that drafted the ROC version. The reason that I am asking is that we recently had a DOE FP program assessment and they had a finding related to a couple of fire doors that were blocked open temporarily for a couple of reasons and they used the 2010 edition paragraph 5.2.13 as the code non-compliance citation. Any insight into this change would be helpful. I know that you can not speak for the committee or NFPA on this issue too. Thanks,

Andrew (Andy) Minister P. E. Chief Fire Protection Engineer Fire Protection Engineering Pacific Northwest National Laboratory Phone 509-371-7902; Cell 509-308-7658 Fax 509-371-7890 [email protected]


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From: Bruce Campbell [[email protected]]Sent: Friday, September 06, 2013 12:29 AMTo: Bigda, KristinCc: Sean DonohueSubject: FW: SANHC

Kristin: Yes, one more thing for the agenda. Please see the string, I’d like to discuss the issue we’re having in CO in getting AHJ’s to accept oversized, but certified fire doors. Thanks, Bruce. BRUCE G. CAMPBELL, FSFPE | VICE PRESIDENT, DOE SERVICES


From: Sean Donohue Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2013 5:37 PM To: Bruce Campbell Cc: Dave Tomecek Subject: RE: SANHC I can tell you the door industry would be pretty happy if we could convince the state to accept oversize doors. Probably too late for this project, but is there sound technical basis for the oversize justification? Or is it a case of UL not wanting to commit to something it has not physically tested? Or should we approach Paul Cooke? Don’t know if they are making this same call on the K‐12 side of the house… SEAN S. DONOHUE, PE | DIRECTOR, COLORADO SPRINGS OFFICE

HUGHES ASSOCIATES | FIRE PROTECTION & CODE CONSULTING 1755 TELSTAR DRIVE | SUITE 300 | COLORADO SPRINGS | CO | 80920 M 719.355.5290 | O 303.439.0485 [email protected] | www.haifire.com

From: Bruce Campbell Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2013 5:31 PM To: Sean Donohue Cc: Dave Tomecek Subject: RE: SANHC Wow, tough crowd. From what I’ve seen at least in the DOE they accept the certificates. In fact we do a lot of engineering judgments for the DOE. Nester from Chicago tends to do a lot of them.


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BRUCE G. CAMPBELL, FSFPE | VICE PRESIDENT, DOE SERVICES


From: Sean Donohue Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2013 4:22 PM To: Bruce Campbell Cc: Dave Tomecek Subject: FW: SANHC Just making sure you guys are aware of this – Bruce, since this is your committee – Dave, since you have been following the State’s rules. DPS does not accept any oversize letter on any overhead or sliding door or curtain other than the size physically tested. Bruce, is it common for jurisdictions to make this call or do most accept the oversize certificate? Thanks, SEAN S. DONOHUE, PE | DIRECTOR, COLORADO SPRINGS OFFICE

HUGHES ASSOCIATES | FIRE PROTECTION & CODE CONSULTING 1755 TELSTAR DRIVE | SUITE 300 | COLORADO SPRINGS | CO | 80920 M 719.355.5290 | O 303.439.0485 [email protected] | www.haifire.com

From: Kakavas - CDPS, Shane [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2013 10:28 AM To: Derek Leigh Cc: Sean Donohue; Julie Buffam Subject: Re: SANHC Derek, In regards to the UL letter provided as indicated on the first page, NFPA 80 Fire Door Installation requirements deleted the 120sqft maximum door assembly size. Next paragraph, "As a result of this action, UL now permits manufactures of special purpose type fire door assemblies to label assemblies up to the maximum size that can be successfully fire tested at our Northbrook Facility. Special Purpose Fire Door Assemblies which have been successfully fire tested at their maximum size, can be investigated under a UL's Oversized Certificate Program." Our stance is this, the maximum size door that has been physically tested in UL's testing facility has been tested and listed as a rated assembly. Larger doors that have not been tested to meet the fire and hose stream testing is not applicable and the certificate provided is an equivalent to an engineering judgement which we do not accept.


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If you have any questions please contact me to discuss further, Shane Kakavas CET,CFPS,CFI-II,CFPE Inspector/Plan Review Health Facility Construction and Inspection Section Division of Fire Prevention and Control Colorado Department of Public Safety 690 Kipling Street, Suite 2060 Denver, CO 80215 M:303-239-4600 | O:303-692-2898 | C:303-947-3087 [email protected] | www.dfpc.state.co.us

On Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at 1:17 PM, Derek Leigh <[email protected]> wrote:

See the attached letter from UL regarding Won-Doors.

At the end of the letter it states that Won-Door can supply “UL Oversize Certificate” to oversized doors.

Is this acceptable to CDPS?

I have heard that CDPS may not accept this UL certificate.

Thanks and have a great long weekend.

Derek A. Leigh, AIA

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From: Steve Hahn [[email protected]]Sent: Monday, October 07, 2013 3:02 PMTo: Bigda, KristinCc: Joe HetzelSubject: conversion of doors to fire doors

Hi Kristin, DASMA staff has been contacted on occasion regarding the procedures to convert a non‐rated rolling door to a rolling fire door. Staff has advised that there is no conversion and that the door needs to be replaced. I’m wondering if this would be within the scope of 80 to address – and possibly applicable to other door types as well.

Steve Hahn Lawrence Roll‐Up Doors, Inc. [email protected] Call 925‐634‐1508 Fax 925‐634‐1578 www.lawrencedoors.com

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