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OEM Perspective Will it work in my engine? Ian Loy Caterpillar Account Manager, ATA Environment KRA, Truck Industry Council Board Alternative Fuels Workshop
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Page 1: OEM Perspective Will it work in my engine? Ian Loy Caterpillar Account Manager, ATA Environment KRA, Truck Industry Council Board Alternative Fuels Workshop.

OEM PerspectiveWill it work in my engine?

Ian LoyCaterpillar Account Manager,

ATA Environment KRA, Truck Industry Council Board

Alternative Fuels Workshop

Page 2: OEM Perspective Will it work in my engine? Ian Loy Caterpillar Account Manager, ATA Environment KRA, Truck Industry Council Board Alternative Fuels Workshop.

April 11, 2023 CATERPILLAR: CONFIDENTIAL GREEN

This information is confidential and not for use or disclosure outside Caterpillar except under written

agreement.

Can I try alternative fuels?

YES- but

Page 3: OEM Perspective Will it work in my engine? Ian Loy Caterpillar Account Manager, ATA Environment KRA, Truck Industry Council Board Alternative Fuels Workshop.

April 11, 2023 CATERPILLAR: CONFIDENTIAL GREEN

This information is confidential and not for use or disclosure outside Caterpillar except under written

agreement.

Warranty

No fuel is warranted by the vehicle / engine manufacturer – even diesel

Talk is cheap – but it can save you lots– Support varies depending on

supplier so there is NO general rule

Page 4: OEM Perspective Will it work in my engine? Ian Loy Caterpillar Account Manager, ATA Environment KRA, Truck Industry Council Board Alternative Fuels Workshop.

April 11, 2023 CATERPILLAR: CONFIDENTIAL GREEN

This information is confidential and not for use or disclosure outside Caterpillar except under written

agreement.

Warranty -what happens? Warranty covers

– Workmanship & Material defects

Items not supplied by the manufacturer are not covered by manufacturer’s warranty– Fuel, oil, coolant etc bought

elsewhere

Page 5: OEM Perspective Will it work in my engine? Ian Loy Caterpillar Account Manager, ATA Environment KRA, Truck Industry Council Board Alternative Fuels Workshop.

April 11, 2023 CATERPILLAR: CONFIDENTIAL GREEN

This information is confidential and not for use or disclosure outside Caterpillar except under written

agreement.

Warranty - Manufacturer

Exclusions– Failures resulting from any

use or installation which the manufacturer judges improper.

If so judged there is no warranty no matter what the cause

Page 6: OEM Perspective Will it work in my engine? Ian Loy Caterpillar Account Manager, ATA Environment KRA, Truck Industry Council Board Alternative Fuels Workshop.

April 11, 2023 CATERPILLAR: CONFIDENTIAL GREEN

This information is confidential and not for use or disclosure outside Caterpillar except under written

agreement.

Warranty - Manufacturer

Talk to YOUR manufacturer Determine THEIR position Understand YOUR position

Page 7: OEM Perspective Will it work in my engine? Ian Loy Caterpillar Account Manager, ATA Environment KRA, Truck Industry Council Board Alternative Fuels Workshop.

April 11, 2023 CATERPILLAR: CONFIDENTIAL GREEN

This information is confidential and not for use or disclosure outside Caterpillar except under written

agreement.

Warranty– alternate fuel system and fuel

TALK to your potential suppliers

Determine their level of support

Determine if there are gaps in support

Page 8: OEM Perspective Will it work in my engine? Ian Loy Caterpillar Account Manager, ATA Environment KRA, Truck Industry Council Board Alternative Fuels Workshop.

April 11, 2023 CATERPILLAR: CONFIDENTIAL GREEN

This information is confidential and not for use or disclosure outside Caterpillar except under written

agreement.

Questions– for potential suppliers

Are you recognised by the base engine manufacturer?

Do you meet all base engine manufacturer design criteria, if so how do you have access to this proprietary information?

Does this system affect other functions of the engine?

Does it maintain ADR compliance?

Page 9: OEM Perspective Will it work in my engine? Ian Loy Caterpillar Account Manager, ATA Environment KRA, Truck Industry Council Board Alternative Fuels Workshop.

April 11, 2023 CATERPILLAR: CONFIDENTIAL GREEN

This information is confidential and not for use or disclosure outside Caterpillar except under written

agreement.

Questions – for potential suppliers

What is your warranty? What does your warranty cover

and for how long? Who will carry out any warranty

work?

Page 10: OEM Perspective Will it work in my engine? Ian Loy Caterpillar Account Manager, ATA Environment KRA, Truck Industry Council Board Alternative Fuels Workshop.

April 11, 2023 CATERPILLAR: CONFIDENTIAL GREEN

This information is confidential and not for use or disclosure outside Caterpillar except under written

agreement.

Natural Gas

TIC recommends this as a heavy duty transport fuel.

Page 11: OEM Perspective Will it work in my engine? Ian Loy Caterpillar Account Manager, ATA Environment KRA, Truck Industry Council Board Alternative Fuels Workshop.

April 11, 2023 CATERPILLAR: CONFIDENTIAL GREEN

This information is confidential and not for use or disclosure outside Caterpillar except under written

agreement.

LPG – Auto Gas

Based on current technologies available, TIC does not recommend this fuel at this point in time for heavy duty transportation.

Page 12: OEM Perspective Will it work in my engine? Ian Loy Caterpillar Account Manager, ATA Environment KRA, Truck Industry Council Board Alternative Fuels Workshop.

April 11, 2023 CATERPILLAR: CONFIDENTIAL GREEN

This information is confidential and not for use or disclosure outside Caterpillar except under written

agreement.

Propane – HD5

TIC recommends HD5 or HD10 as a heavy duty transport fuel

Page 13: OEM Perspective Will it work in my engine? Ian Loy Caterpillar Account Manager, ATA Environment KRA, Truck Industry Council Board Alternative Fuels Workshop.

April 11, 2023 CATERPILLAR: CONFIDENTIAL GREEN

This information is confidential and not for use or disclosure outside Caterpillar except under written

agreement.

Bio-Diesel

TIC recommends B5 as a heavy duty transport fuel. The biodiesel component of B5 must meet the biodiesel specification under the act

Page 14: OEM Perspective Will it work in my engine? Ian Loy Caterpillar Account Manager, ATA Environment KRA, Truck Industry Council Board Alternative Fuels Workshop.

April 11, 2023 CATERPILLAR: CONFIDENTIAL GREEN

This information is confidential and not for use or disclosure outside Caterpillar except under written

agreement.

Bio-Diesel – Other comments

Bio-Diesel is food– Places tension on pricing

Bio-Diesel LOVES water– Maintenance needs are higher

Made to a standard?– Which standard?– How consistent?

5% is “safe” for all engines– Individual suppliers may allow 30

or even 100%

Page 15: OEM Perspective Will it work in my engine? Ian Loy Caterpillar Account Manager, ATA Environment KRA, Truck Industry Council Board Alternative Fuels Workshop.

April 11, 2023 CATERPILLAR: CONFIDENTIAL GREEN

This information is confidential and not for use or disclosure outside Caterpillar except under written

agreement.

Page 16: OEM Perspective Will it work in my engine? Ian Loy Caterpillar Account Manager, ATA Environment KRA, Truck Industry Council Board Alternative Fuels Workshop.

April 11, 2023 CATERPILLAR: CONFIDENTIAL GREEN

This information is confidential and not for use or disclosure outside Caterpillar except under written

agreement.

Aqua-Diesel TIC does not recommend this

product. TIC recommends that end users

who wish to use this product consult their supplier for product support and coverage.

TIC believes that the classification under section 13 of the act, where sale is to informed commercial customers and not for retail sale, is the most appropriate way of dealing with this fuel.

Page 17: OEM Perspective Will it work in my engine? Ian Loy Caterpillar Account Manager, ATA Environment KRA, Truck Industry Council Board Alternative Fuels Workshop.

April 11, 2023 CATERPILLAR: CONFIDENTIAL GREEN

This information is confidential and not for use or disclosure outside Caterpillar except under written

agreement.

Diesohol

Primarily due to the hazardous nature of diesohol, TIC does not recommend this as a heavy duty transport fuel.

TIC to push for only use with informed commercial customers, and not for forecourt sale, and handled under section 13 of the act.

Page 18: OEM Perspective Will it work in my engine? Ian Loy Caterpillar Account Manager, ATA Environment KRA, Truck Industry Council Board Alternative Fuels Workshop.

April 11, 2023 CATERPILLAR: CONFIDENTIAL GREEN

This information is confidential and not for use or disclosure outside Caterpillar except under written

agreement.

Wintermix

TIC to push for a more diesel like fuel.

Issues are–Lubricity – needed for precision fuel systems

–Density – power per litre

–Viscosity – ease of pumping

–Sulphur – damages aftertreatment systems

Page 19: OEM Perspective Will it work in my engine? Ian Loy Caterpillar Account Manager, ATA Environment KRA, Truck Industry Council Board Alternative Fuels Workshop.

April 11, 2023 CATERPILLAR: CONFIDENTIAL GREEN

This information is confidential and not for use or disclosure outside Caterpillar except under written

agreement.

General Comments

ONLY diesel is diesel ALL require change

management Can be successful – but it

takes Work and Commitment of the suppliers and users

Page 20: OEM Perspective Will it work in my engine? Ian Loy Caterpillar Account Manager, ATA Environment KRA, Truck Industry Council Board Alternative Fuels Workshop.

April 11, 2023 CATERPILLAR: CONFIDENTIAL GREEN

This information is confidential and not for use or disclosure outside Caterpillar except under written

agreement.

A word of advice

TALK

Page 21: OEM Perspective Will it work in my engine? Ian Loy Caterpillar Account Manager, ATA Environment KRA, Truck Industry Council Board Alternative Fuels Workshop.

Thank You!


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