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ry n, !i#"?.GISLA'I'IVE COUNCIL. rc NOTIC_ E:S .OF ORDEP..S OF THE f.de Tuesday, 14th Febrv.ary. NOTICES OF MOT10N. e- Mr. J.P. iFAWKNERto move: Thatthi-a('.onncil Ul in tb a.l w. bi it . so do resolve t.o ,nresent an address to Her Mnjesty et Queen, praying i1er to repeal the Or, lers in Couo.cil, and . s- declare the wlwle {;ountry to be (what it is) a .Settled L ll District, reserving t the present holders the to use the lantls no\'1 occupied by them until the eud of ·nc eight yca1·s from U4a.date of the ani val of the Ordeys th le in Council in these .Colonies, subject to the arl'ears C!iue re for the stocl• their lands would have carried during th::t ' time ; and to the upoLl ?.11 stock l•rovided 8.11 for by the Orders in Council , and to the arrears ofsu.eh .assessment; and that Lienten·nt-Governor be re- to support the to Her Majesty to the re, ha co pr ·ful lest extent of his pawe:r. re 2. The COLLECTOR of CUSTOMS to move: That · e:v: lS '!.- it is s, ·e H d h t, .e n the Report of the Select Cs:nmittce of this Counci1, the subject of the Llght;k.ouses of the Co!ony, be hh now into consideHttion. co1 3. N:t. GOODMAN: 'f _.- mnYe, that an addres> be pr.esented to His Excellency the Lieutenant-Goven10r, pr;;yj,.11g th:.t His Excellency wiil be pleased to cause to :oo laid upon the table of t.Jw House, a copy of thoag t·eeJne-lit of lease enter"d intn wHh the Peninsular da; and Olie»ta:l Company for a portlou .of land fi'Ollt i ng de l pl' l fa.c the ex· j Also, copies .n£ any othn · agreement!l of lea.se t,hat have been entered into wit.h any other private parties for allot ing any Crown Lands on tlte Ril'er YalTa below the F.all _ , or ;ka.ving ft·ontages to the Bay. J 4. 1\'Ir. To move, that the petition of del Will iam Jarratt, prasented by him on the llth i nstant , be ta.ken into considera:f!on in conne.:don witl1 the 60Lh clallSe of the New Consti-tution Bill. 5. Dr. GREEVES; To move that the petition of Dr. }.. Berndt, Dr. "\V. 1-'rancke. !l.nd Dl'. A . llosema.nn, pre - sented by him to Coun. eH ou the 9th instant, IJe printed. ORDER:! OF TJIE ve1 hal sib 1 of (BI J.. County Courts E:x:temion Bili..--To l.Je considered ., in Committee. 2. Cemeter ie3 Bili.-Second reading. e 3. Sale of Bread Rcgulatiou Act Am ndment llill (2) -'l'o be considel'ed in Committee. :1 4. Nlcctlve Franchise Extension Bill.-AdoptioJl of au Heport. :- 5. Postage Dill.- Second re'lding. ,t I G. General Edt1cation Dill . reading. ·s 7. Patents Bill. -Sccond ren<1iog. r. ('ensu Biii.-Aliopli on of Hcport. ll I 9. Sca.b in S»ecr) Pre ·eutiou Bill (2)-Srcoutl s reading. c 10: Uareless nse of Fire Restriction Bill.-To be fu r!he considere•l in Committee. ,_I 11. Constitution BilL-To be further consitlered in <.ioromitt.ee. ·s MEETINGS OF SELECT OOMMI'fTEES. n " Tuesday, H.t!1 Feb1·uary. \ Defences of the Col ony-at 11 o'clock: ·- of J..,ocarl fRnd $-at l:t o'clock; ba del th co. go co· on
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Page 1: :oo - Parliament of Victoria · ch>< Jgmg ln:; opnuou md vutmg Ol t ~~ pemxl p1 O\ 1.> 1011 mtght un ol ~ danger to the colonv W lk. nson of five years I fhe Con~tlt 1t10n

ry n, !i#"?.GISLA'I'IVE COUNCIL. rc NOTIC_E:S .OF .MOTIO~A~:m ORDEP..S OF THE

f.de Tuesday, 14th Febrv.ary. NOTICES OF MOT10N.

e- Mr. J.P. iFAWKNERto move: Thatthi-a('.onncil

Ul in tb a.l w. bi h~ it . so

do resolve t.o ,nresent an address to Her Mnjesty th~ et Queen, praying i1er to repeal the Or,lers in Couo.cil, and . s- declare the wlwle {;ountry to be (what it is) a .Settled Lll District, reserving t the present holders the ~-igut. to

use the lantls no\'1 occupied by them until the eud of ·nc eight yca1·s from U4a.date of the ani val of the Ordeys th

le in Council in these .Colonies, subject to the arl'ears C!iue re for the stocl• their lands would have carried during th::t '

t ime ; and to the a~e~mea.t upoLl ?.11 stock l•rovided

8.11

for by the Orders in Council , and to the arrears ofsu.eh .assessment; and that t~e Lienten·nt-Governor be re­~uested to support the «d~h'ess to Her Majesty to the

re, ha co pr

·fullest extent of his pawe:r. re 2. The COLLECTOR of CUSTOMS to move: That ·e:v:

lS

'!.-

it is

s, ·e H d h t , .e n

the Report of the Select Cs:nmittce of this Counci1, • up~m the subject of the Llght;k.ouses of the Co!ony, be hh now tt~.ken into consideHttion. co1

3. N:t. GOODMAN: 'f _.- mnYe, that an addres> be pr.esented to His Excellency the Lieutenant-Goven10r, pr;;yj,.11g th:.t His Excellency wiil be pleased to cause to :oo laid upon the table of t.Jw House, a copy of thoagt·eeJne-lit of lease enter"d intn wHh the Peninsular da; and Olie»ta:l Company for a portlou .of land fi'Ollting

del

pl'l fa.c the R~ver Ya.•-;~:a. . ex·

j Also, copies .n£ any othn· agreement!l of lea.se t,hat

have been entered into wit.h any other private parties for allot ing any Crown Lands on tlte Ril'er YalTa below the F.all _, or ;ka.ving ft·ontages to the Bay. J

4. 1\'Ir. HODGSON~ To move, that the petition of del William Jarratt, prasented by him on the llth instant, be ta.ken into considera:f!on in conne.:don witl1 the 60Lh clallSe of the New Consti-tution Bill.

5. Dr. GREEVES; To move that the petition of Dr. }.. Berndt, Dr. "\V. 1-'rancke. !l.nd Dl'. A. llosema.nn, pre­sented by him to th!r~ Coun.eH ou the 9th instant, IJe printed.

ORDER:! OF TJIE ~MT.

ve1 hal sib

1 of

(BI

J.. County Courts E:x:temion Bili..--To l.Je considered ., in Committee.

2. Cemeter ie3 Bili .-Second reading. e 3. Sale of Bread Rcgulatiou Act Am ndment llill (2)

-'l'o be considel'ed in Committee. :1 4. Nlcctlve Franchise Extension Bill.-AdoptioJl of au

He port. :- 5. Postage Dill.- Second re'lding. ,t I G. General Edt1cation Dill. f:~coml reading. ·s 7. Patents Bill.-Sccond ren<1iog.

r. ('ensu Biii.-Alioplion of Hcport. ll I 9. Sca.b in S»ecr) Pre ·eutiou Bill (2)-Srcoutl s reading. c 10: Uareless nse of Fire Restriction Bill.-To be

fur!het· considere•l in Committee. ,_I 11. ~Tew Constitution BilL-To be further consitlered

in <.ioromitt.ee. ·s MEETINGS OF SELECT OOMMI'fTEES. n " Tuesday, H.t!1 Feb1·uary.

\

Defences of the Colony-at 11 o'clock: ·- .A.<lministro~ion of J..,ocarl fRnd$-at l:t o'clock;

ba del th

co.

go co· on

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14 February 1854

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THE LEGISLATIVE COUNCIL

THE Speak er took the ch a tr yesterday at ttln mmutes past three o clock Petttlons were presented respectmg edueahon state a,l(l to rehgton the ca•e of J F Burton, a

Notary Pubhc and the case of John Row a Comtsh mmer -.. ho had a cornplamt ag:-.mst the Government

Mr Fawkncr gave nottee of htsmtentwn

to ask to-day a long senes of questwns of the Colomal Secretary Ielatl ve to defects and tmperfectwns m the character of the mformahon supphed m returns wlnch had been furmshcd to the House on the Crown lm ls

Captam Dane gave notice of a motwn rc

spectmg the Assay Oilicc Another notH e of motton bv the same gentleman respect mg the pohco force wa. answered at the time

I he Colonml Secretary la1d on the table

a return rel1ttng to the survey of the port of "\\ nrrn trnbool and Lady Bay

In 1eplv to 1\fr Goodman the Colonnl

Secretary stated that the Lteutenant Go

vernor had not yet recen ed the expected despatch from the Home Go; ernment rehtwg to the squathng qucstwn but that

H1s E~cellency had recmved a commumca

twn statmg that that despatch "as 011 1ts way to the colon>

In replv to Mr 0 Shana.sy the Collector of Customs stated that ho had elllleavorcd

to clear the ;1harf of the accumulabons of

tnnber upon 1t though he had not been so successful as he m~hed, owmg to the un pcrfcctwns of the local Act

1\fr l awkner asked 1f thete 'ms an) 1m to protect the It ves and propcrttcs of pm:; scngers gomg from one colony to anothm m lorClgJl vessels to >I htch the Attorney

the Court. of tl (

that a further return on the subject was m cou1se of preparahon

The !louse then "ent mto corrumttte on the Constttuhon Btll

A great number cf clauses ~ e1e pas~c 1 'I tth little or no d!><cuss1on, except m che case of the export duties en 1! list and aquattmg compensatwn In the case of

the first the future Parlmment was left free

COIDIDJttee

10se at a qnaiter to ten

LHGISLATIVE COUI"CIL Tuesday 14th February

rhe :Speake! took the ehmr at a quarter p tst 3 o clock

COUNCIL PAPERS The COI 0:"1IAI, SECREIARY l:ud on

t11e tabl~ cop1es of despatcheM from Hts Ex ccllen'cy the LJCutenant-Governor to the Scmetat) of SUite con!Ammg a 'olummou• collectiOn ot mclosures relahve to the Crown Lanu,~,a~~~

The 'arwus motions an(!. Onl<> o"Vf-thr d-.. U} on the p pPr wetc postponed m order to gn e p1ccNlence to the New Conotttuhon B1ll w tth the cxcccptH n of the follow mg -TH~ LEASE Of \Ui.ARF L ... -\.ND TO

THE PENINSULAr:. AND ORIENT \.L Sri Anf NAVIGATION COMPANY Jli1 GOODMAN pur uant to

\('at~

Dr URI EVI S w1 ul<l vote t r l!v" The hon member "ho hatl tust f tt do"n •ccm~d to h~\e ft rgottcn that the dmatwu ot tl e fl t t could l c at an1 tnn cutilltltd 1' the Lxec H v~ 1 1 mean~< t t1 e cxe1 ct'e c t tl <' 1101\crs of d•solntttn Ihe pemd of tlnce ) ('It s "oul<l. he mcom enu nt to l u membe1'

shut out from a votce m the matt.ef and that b•;r-;•~oo;h~pe~....,;;.,;::or;-;:.,.,:n:o~oe:-: .. :,.,;;-l-;l~n~•:u::c:lt":ru:n::n:-:o:::.:.-.~.::.~b-=yi-;:T:;h-e-;:S;-;P~E~A":K~E:':R':"~=d:=t:=:d=n=o=t=se~e~tb~•~~::::~l--the reactiUn when tt came "ould be more .sucll Act"" Acts •hall be determ ned a d to vest m v uae or

su<:b. uew CounG 1 and lhe Ho 88 of A~>Serubly for 11 e ce•atty of the publtcatlon at home of Ml ne nol nt than they anttc1patcd •m• be "ll ,.. 11 ench other separate Le" sial ve enactments and he th ' w oruaj

The SPEAKER had voted tn the select Hou.i!' U ~powers and fun<:t <>ns f the c u "ic 1 and er~ 1ore propo!ied to d • L bl <>! tb id the l:16t provU!o of the clause Wht h d omtt

comnnttce tor three ) ears on the groun tnat ' • mt v H e •• colony tor ..,.l ch snch •cparate Bt118 to lte for 30 days on tllc table ofcth tHrected ld t •"'n ' "'"0 ou.e may 1>9 subst I!Md Pr v1ued al m thJB colonv three yeara wou wt ncse aA I • •r• II at 1 shall not 00 la~tul lo preoe 1 to the of Commons e &llllt

great a change as ten Ill Great Bntnm Bul1 (, vcr nr Q( the sad colo y for Her M")e•ty • assent rhe amendment "88 db he now h;lt 1nclmcd to alter h1s opmwn In •11~ Ill! by which ~uy auch alterallonasafu eoa d may be of 20 to (S Vl7. _ came Y a ma;oHt the fi t place the nol'er of the executive t( mh"'1

1; uholess ~~~second ~n 1 th rd read ngs of such B 11 • •- l s "'" a.ve IJ'I~ l P:.~!:ied ~Jt.h tl e concurrence of Ayes Noes

du;solv~ the House and m the next place t 1e j h.'o rMrd Gf U a 1 cmbe1s of the I cg lat vo Counc 1 Th~ Colon al Secretary 'Ihe g 0 hcat.>r Geu~r 1 O[ eratlon of natural causes '1\0uld mtroducc "d 01 ll e House of Assembl' resi>ect vely Prov dcd Collector of Cu.; tom.• Spoakor I es m the pe• sonnel of the House ~nffi B!.!O hnt c ver) u ll h ch shall be •o pass d for v of Attorne~ Gene al Capa Cole

C l mg s ell 1 rpose, sl all be r~.erved for 1 c • g fica lou of Au<i tor General Mr llodgson c enth For m>t nee he found that of all It<r Mo;a•ty pleasure thereon 81 d " cop) of >uch Corum!"" oner of Pouce :sn 111 the onmnal members c f the present Rm se I t Jl hll oc b d b for< both ll 1ses of the l perlal Coioucl ~nlirr><>D. 0 b massy th IC .,.r;,re o ll) twehc anti of the elected I l' ..,.. It for the P<>n "'- ol th rty days at tl e least Fa ... k er mcmters onl' teu 1 ft at the present time ~[.Jlier OJC>ty s th"18ure l•creon shall be s g ~ll~ec~oloo~ He1de~ 1! elctJOn" becam~ too fle<:Jurnt 1

1 .M OSHA~ASSYdetiredtheomL"!!IOIIof Clarlton

mall) a1Jlc men 11ould be deterred from offer- the rcfele .. ce to nonnnat on as 1f the thmg ~~1°" mg themselves as cand datts on Account of the ttsclt w~ to be abohshed there wa• no need Cr ffith e1< l en.se Fo1 these reason!\ he fdt J ~st1fled m 1 to m 1ke ~m pr v1s1on for 1t 1nde< d the Hry Burnley ch>< Jgmg ln:; opnuou md vutmg Ol t ~~ pemxl p1 O\ 1.> 1011 mtght un ol ~ danger to the colonv W lk. nson of five years I fhe Con~tlt 1t10n would le 'aludess 1f every irlT~.ompw"

T 1e committee d 1\ 1.dtd OJl the ongt.!\31 mo =port ant change had to be ~~ent home and to St •chan. tlon for three~ ears I h tot th11y da)o on the table of the House Capta 1 Dane

w Aroa ~1.,..,. S:if of Cc mmoM and thm to run the nak of ClaU2-C 42 was then r~;d ~r~assed Mes>rs 0 s~::; ... y ~ Murphy I assent 01 d1.."8cnt Xl [[ - Nohnth.tand g anyt ng hore

W lk n on Anna ld D1 G REE V f 8 .honght that under such t shall be lawful for tho L•g slat re of , 1 conta ned Horvey 11 gheta CU'<:UIDSl;;u es the reference to noxmnccl3w constituted under tl e prov!h ons hcreor f ctorla to IJe M N cbol.ron Burnley t me by any Act or Acts to estab"' n rom t me to Str~~eb •n 0 Brlcu Wa.&.l\ !leCllllty as the difficulty of returnmg to prov noes or d str cts or d v sions ftr~ ew 1 electoral Qoodman Cam1 b<>U tt Will! mcreaaed respectively ahd to alter nny electofbtt ~~l~ colony Fawkner Sptatt Mr 0 Sl:! \.N .\881' t 1 ht •I , 1 tr ct or d v slon thereof and to •Pl'O nt alter ce dis C 1 '" J.OCg • ta. lrupena crease tile number of memben of the Legtslatlve ~nd n u'r~~~t,on ~o~::_" 1 mter!ll'~ v. ere sufficiently prov1ded for by spe to be chosen by any prov nee a otnct or d v 8 0

°11Se3

w Nlcholsoa Dt Gree::. cl.~! enactment Without ~onstructmg such a to ncre& e the wl ole numt er of me nber;a of ~~ •nrt Hent) Tha Attorney ~nora! clog Oh l~gtsl ttwn 1 ogiSlat ve Hou es and to alter and regulate 1: S&id ~nrgocd 8 l to Gel)er<l I rh 1 rORN"' G ~ , L h po ntment of return g otll ers and to make e ap Hod Aud~tor General e !\ '" Y E:'il.t• hA Sald t at u g ch mr~ ner as they may deem expod en\ror SIOJO J Mg~o;.y Colon al 8<'<>~eta.ry J the Const1tut1 )ll. was an Act of the Bnttsh ss e aa t! rotun of "nrs f r the elect on of me (: 1h• J 1howp~ Surveyor ~"{'t~l I Plrhament n0t thetr O\\ll and the1eforethere serve 11 the sad Leg slat ve Houses resl'<'C\•vnl rs to

(":;nl C<>l• Speake• was no alten~~otwn of the power to altdr It He the tLme place and manner of hold ug su~~ aln~ -t D " t oos tespecbvely e ec

CapA ane 18 calkd attent1on to the hunted numher of ~uh The House adJOl:l.:med at s1x 0 clock N~! 1~ I ;ects m whiCh alte1allon could he made If ThA House resumed at twentv mmutes pa t

I fu ther prOYldlon for altcmtton we e neco•sarv seven 0 clocl 8

Ma;ontj 1 the portwn of the clause mtNvemng between The SPEAKER rmsed a legal obJectton to the word Act!! to alter and pro~ 1ded dause whwh was xemoved 1 y the Attor

The ongmal wrm three ) erus wac there fore agr..,ed to and the clm•e Wild paS!!ed

On clause XXXV 11 T e follow g H Its na\ 1 the u S<:rell n

1 al11 l)B should be Cla>~ed no\ General wheretlpon the clause was car \ Mr 0 oHANAS;:;Y thought that the three ned

powus the ( ro"n and the two Houses would have been uffic1cnt w1thout draggmg m the Iw penal Parliament It would be ne~cssar.l' to alte1 tlw qualific~t10n or memhen! and to extend or ali.ct t~e f1anchtse Th1s mtght ba done w1thc ut touchtng any fundamental pnnDipl" hut thu clause "ould throw a d1fficult' m the wa' and would prevent th~m ftom tnk1ng aJ y step m ad\ ance wtthout gmng to the Crown and 1 arhament agam 1 he CoUAtttn t10n "u; n~l~SB tf tl ty were to be thus tted drwn lf the Parliament passed a Bill gnmg u~ ~If." ' n met t 1t need h>ne nothu g more tr do w1th the matter The constru~t• >n of an Uppt 1 Hou•e and the clvtl h•t '\\ere demanded hnt there was no such stlpulatwn as that 110\1

proposfcl lhe SPJi AKER w i!hed for the erasUJe of

the plll'sage 1el~rr d tD He ag1eed \ltth Mr 0 "'hanaS&\ that to pa><~< 1t would be to com nut pt llttcal fe/o de se 01 etulllficalt n C1rcumstanco8 nnght call for new pro' 1 t"IIB OJ 1ltc1 allons lll old ones ln the ca>e of the Cape I arltamcnt gavepowet to theCtowu In a Bill mgeneralterms tog veaconstttut10ntutlte co!oll) and the sune nnght be done towards us I hctc was no pro' lSlOD for the altCiatlon of the CJVll l tsl n >w an Pnotmous cluuge aud one that m the p10bablc reduted value of mone) m1ght make the muu>tcr mdcpcudent

f the 'otes of th" >louse and enable h tm to s ~~ m all) case of chffcrcnce I can ca1 rv on the go\ e ... mcnt w1th the xl R 000 of the Cl\d h>t w1thout ca1mg for the \Ote of the I!ouse as Su Gtorge (,tpps dul It m bht be •md that the Const1luuon "~~'ii-~ a kmd ot compact w tth the methcr countt' but he dtd not thmk th t tt wa~ 1m•ant to pn"~ mJunrualv < n th~ colony Tl e & n>lltutl< n would de feat ttsdf If the U,gL>11hne 11ere nulbficd and lht: Gm Clllmcl t enabled to earn on wnhout 1ts vote Under that l 1U tt ~<o tld be compe tent to nnv one to mo' e tho altet tl n of tht Ct1 tl I 1st but the vote ( t two tlu & < f both Ho 1 cs would he r~<,tmed to adqt thechauge Under these ct cuu1't m ~"he sa" no fear uf ha..t) 1 gt.,latlOu aml " uld not II<'Sitate to leave th< nutt< 1 Ofl' n

Tl c t OLU'HAl SEC Rf 'l AL,l 1\onld n"t dell) that £ ll{ LOO 'lias a 11 ge an10 mt lfl the c" 1l lt~t but he co~~.>tdeu,d that thP coLcm htvmg rcCCicd!>t:'l:') mtLton lCHl.•cf Inn I 1 1 ex.:h nge had the lest c f the l ugmu I th c~ e of he (an tdmll Com.t ttlttu 1 1t wa."J txpteESl) l>ud do\\ll lll th ;;•ant tltut tl e

'•1 1 at shonld le operall\ c tlutn ,s tl c lt! tnw <II the Queen and In e 'ea1 atter lie c HI d red that outs "u~ a sn 11l r ease of con

, 1 ad ar d the >"Ul Cl1l1er of Lhe CH wn w>enues could onl hold good 1\ I le the ctvll h>t. tem~uned m f{)l~e that he tl ot ght was a sufticnent •afegnard ag till t altmnt10n as !L

11 ould he long betore the Leg 81 ~L 1re " >uld be ill 1 to tlnow llJ w good a I a• gam llD 1 !'ad a clanse ol the C ana han C onst1tutwn J!lusttalne o tl u; 1dea of a onllact mel 1 1ntcd out a ~ttpulalton ol the Sccretan ot :State !OJ the p v\ !~ton Tie 1 ad 110 ohJ~etJOn to l m t the dural on ol tre l• tl 1 1-t tut t lw hat gam ou e mad< ull not be ~ lte1 d

l he Sl'EAKJ 1 >at<ll•at tl c F Oj "1 a-sent t< t I s !Jill "o ld lte ~uffic ent autho1 t} lm t"' f! 1rd of tl P Lt't,lRlatme to make an' chtng

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as unseatmg them at th~ nnw the' "c>e ht n commg m tStcl~ of the mode ot busmeos Ill the "en: 1 e 1 "lth ,. 11 ~ , "1 al amen\ Leg1slattue He qll(tcJ Judge Sto' to•he" llll nt~ .pat11ltl OUI la1 s \\Cre mad b Gmcrnmcnt the ev!ls ot unsettled leg•slattou and thought 1\It (,(){Jl>M \~ Rc an adden l olli<e11< 0 ownnununee• and C O\lntenants-that the cxpenence of the Hut1sh <. on~tttutwn dum of a l:t her d~moc!attc natme Ile tlem~nts dtr.cth wt g r J•hc to the pn 1mple• Jl atrfied them Ill ado] tmg five )C8TI< liS the 1 e thought that th k" 1 ppuoltl 11 of pol ulat I beth ln t tt the Hour,e d d not nod of dmat10n wh1l't that ot the Am~t ean th~e bett<>r the Ccu,t1tutt n \\Otld wmk Conbtltut on warned them agamst a ~hortm penod Be.tdes the census "as made c1 e ' five)eals and 1fthevwete toadopta•df tdJu t mg maclune•y f01 the equnheatwn of electoral d1stncts the comc•dcnee of the pcnod formed another reason for the adopt1ou of fi, e m5tcad

Ill& S ~.','or G •• "l (teller)

::;~~:~~; General l 1 c-t Cowu ssioner

Pol c~ Aud tor General ( olor 1al Secrel.r> }11 Hanes

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t11e ~upr me Cowt Judges so aa that thov •hoYld hold office • dlllmg good b;}ha1 1our tn•tcad of durwg pleasu e

The A rTOll:\.!<.:Y GENI lU.I !!.'Ud there wna thlo g1oat d1..'furen e bet1,een the Jud.;e:; , the b1ghQr Conrti and other Judges that t.he [.)lfnor stood 3patt from all 1ntetcourF~e " 1th th profetlblon except as th~ exponE'nts <lf leg I \lcciBluns "lul•t the mfenor J u iges wei" 1t !Illet t1 to pt ~elise 1~ barn t~tl'! lD the Mprem Court

Mr 0 .Sfl \ N 1\.SS'\: lmd 1~ l UIS an e11l to perw1t Comrt1 ComtJndge.'l to p1aCl1,o aml 1t 0.,11t to te dono awa1 with hut as long IIH 1t ex~J he must oppu!!e the propo~JtiOII of the hnnntabl and 1 amed g~ntlcmau

J\Ir PO ITT M ,\~ S<lld that 1\ hat he proposed w1s to stllkc out the 11ord thmeuf at d 1a e1 t tn$tead the wonls of tJ1c & prem Court "~' " ll as tlu Count\ Com t

The comunttec d11 tdcd Ay~ 12 Noell b

The am•ntiJnont wa.s ac,ordmglv \o~~ Dr GHEEVE'S ruo1ed the add1t.1en to the

~]a .use of thl'l followmg pro1 L'IO -

" rrov ded aln ays and be !.t enacted that rt ma> be l~vfuJ f.>r He.r M!lJe'St) her hetTS and successor:; f.tJ Til remo e any s11ch J dge or htdg .. upou u.e add1 css et IJoth Ho •••• off >rhameot

The amendment wa>~ agr.:Jed to and the < lallile aa 11rner1dcd was passetl

I he Houl!8 then reau.med the Chamuan re port d p ogr~a.~ and obta>nerllca' e to s1t aglilll next dAy ( \ 6>tel day )

AdJOilfned at 8 UlUIIltcs pa t 10 o clock

WeiV'.,><lay 15th Fe& I.UlriJ l8ii-J

rhe Speahr took che cha~r at t<ln mwntcs l a8t thne o cl ocl

PETILIONS Peutwns were preflented by ~{r

ftom ·w .Mtl or MJdur:W:l:r ol the Free Pu:sb1 tenan Clmr h- MclbOlll1lC pr 1) lllg

the Coun 11 to take measures to 6ecm e the pet'$On~l Ch11~tnmtv of teach.er;J of schools tppomt d undDr the pt o ~oscd Brll un Pu bltc EduMhon alw trom the same petson a petttwn agau1>t the ~lanse m the New Uoust1 t n'IO 1 ll11l for grantmg pecumar.1 aid w •upport of rel gwus "'orshtp

B) :lit HODGSON !lom the B<lptlst con /!; egatwn Albert •tJeet to the same elf< ct

H\ Mr 0 SIIAN :\S:::IY from a porhon Jtamed J F J:>n k.D ptaymg redrfSR at t he hands or the Connell m actount of the [ 1eutenant Governor havtn!! refuiitld to extend toth.e petrtwn•1 mtlus colsn, the powers \\htch had been g .tntetl t.o hun 1n ::lonth Ansttaha ~~ a ~otar~ Pul he practt mg the1 e aiRI !

pet<tun from .Tolin Row a Co-n ~h mmer ~ )tnplamtnJ that the lea>e wln.J It td l ccn 11 omt& d hm1 bv tho T 1 ut G •vernur to w Jl k " cop pet m ne at M I 1 01 ~tad not been 0 r mb d .and pt.l~ mg redress QUESIIO~SA~DNOTW~O~ l\WTIO::-<

.Mr .FAWK::of8 Rgave not-.ceot h~o 1uterl1 n w a.>k t.o mur1011 (this oay a lung t;enes t f que<>tlons of the ColontRl Seur.:ltarv re!ttttve to defect• :i.nd tmperfccl lons m the character of tns mfo•mat on" tpplied m ret mrs wln~h ha<l been f• .tm,hcd to th House on a m >t on of luJmade so longb~l as \.ugu.st.l8'2 rchtnc to the Cro11 n land•

'l he SPEAh.F.n 'ugge>~t< d to the hon Jcn t eman to p lt. hi, q ue•ttoos m t lie form o' a nH tlort

Th• COLO~H.l SECm l'ARY &u l 1t wo~ld requue ~o nP. mo 1ths to p ocme t'1e mforruatwn vt.ight b1 tl e I on ge 1tlcrn tn He ~ tQ\tld have to send to v1pph h'>nd m c ne case .tv another cq ta Uy rem ott: local1q t 1

,.~tl\CT and so on \\lth all o( th "" "'tw n~ iitt knew cl no reason whl' the returns wrn: made 1.0 the fotrr1• wluch had be"n adopt d He had lmd tllem on t he tahle IS hu had got thorn from the C'omnu,~Hlllet"R anl 1! the hon g ntlem m wa~ not eal t•ficd " 1th thEm he woultl enl M o to m tke them a> s tl f.ltltorl ;Jo' posol blc

Mr r A. W h.' LR would adopt the sn gcst1vn ol tl1e Speak' 1 an,tl 'o tid b<Jlnn t a m.otton on the SllPJeCt

Ca.ptalll DA~ I ga~ e nottce *houll ask t lte Andttot (. n•.r•l m J rt I y whetoer the A;:s tv Oltwe "'a., 1t1 " H k n15 o dN and d oo "hen 1t had commenced 1101 k mel wlut was tlw amount realif;()d thtn eltom up to t "-C prexent d lLtC

Th~> cnLOl\I u SEem LA I. Y coul<l an3v;er the mqtury at lllll~c I he A"ty Offi e hdt ot commonced "m-k vet

Chc COLON IA.L t;t CI,ErAR\' lUtl on tho table a tdUIIl rdJtiOgtJ tlt~> s n V'e\ 01 tllC 1;'0 t of \Va m ruu' od anJi ~f [ a.d~ B ~ Will h had he n moved fut b\ -nL M N 1 hol>-(ln

Captam COL! s•gge~ted that the •le~enp Hon of I ~dy Ba1 ijhonld ~e pllnted He al'O thought thal the map a(conpan,mg ' " ~houll be sent home to he li thog1 pholl

The COLO~ IAL SECl'Ji l "-lt\: •<ttd the -unh oh)ectwu he had to th• p m lliJ ol t "a' tlat -the Go1 emme1 t P ut10g Olh e " h al real.) oven1 l elmed "' th butn "" parl tct<la 1.> to the pnntmg of c!ooumcrts orc!et ed b) ~hat Ho !Re He was af1atd th ttth :tmo mt \otcd by the House for the ser l7lm f the tTO\ t.:lll

m nt P1mtmg OIH e dttllng the :veal wmld no~•uffietf~ mwh bu ll"b'" a•thththrown u,xm, tt However h e \'""onl1 move that the ltltu 11 be prmt<. a

The SUI,VEYOR GE~E! \ l obwrved llat the plans of 1ll s u ve),. " t ltc oast "Cl e ~eu• home to the Adtm alLy h 1 lrog1 apher to be eugrt\Hd and the p1esent o'lr\e\ woull of t'l)'J. 1!tl be sent he me m hke mannei

Dt GRI?l!'Vl S asked VI hat~ tatantee h td th~} If the> map weJe WJ t hone to the hv drog1apller of tltc Admn>lty tl at lt V~Ould be Mrrecth eng1aved 01 t 111 t "ould be 1e tu.-ned to the.. col< D) " 1t11m a [!iOJlt r hmtt ot t1mc "Why RluuU l L not be en,t"vcd het e? 1llete wee very goorl en6'ra,ms n:Melbon ne

r e SURV l YOh Gl£~1 I A:- Htl It It we113 the VI t~h of t.he Hou e he stnu d l c , !Qd the work should he executed he o ancl as fat u he WM e<mcerncd he w 011ld do eve1 v tlnng m h1a power to faCJiLtate 1ts l emg (one T in• however "as onlv an 1solated wrv,:; whcr~ .. s t~1e1e m1ght be 11 the 1 yd ographe s ot110e 111 London a great m~n1 d~t;uh r•l<tug to the same su vev wln~:h uo on~ Allr<e or could h.ave ~upphod hut VI h wh co 1ld ttl mulu a\ u l aMe lot per'ectmg t lu mal ThaL "as the gteat advantage of sending 1t home ;o be en graved

Dr Glll E\ ES sa1d that ht, rt setvatlOM had been •nggPsted by le~twn that a ven BPfl ms mt t tKe h .. i! !Jeen made m the Oha1 t o! the I ntrJme 10 I ort Ph lltp He3ds wluch lud becu execnle<l at the Admt altv f·h drugtaphct s Offi c m I on IL>n and h e "r~<hed to gn •rd agrt nst there <u··ence .,{ ~uch tn !ht prcsc11t c hC In orller tiJ g1•e ttme to roqm e mto the expense of eHg a mg tl1cm~p m }[t}l ou oe I e no'l ga\e Jl.>t cu tlt~t on to nnnow 1th" day) h" shunld lll)~e that t'1e map be Cl~r "cd 1 1 Ll 1s col Jn\

Thu Colomal SectP.tat ' m tt n t p11 lt th~ paperR was agietd trJ

In reph to Mr I t" k ne 1\tr IIAl ~ ER a" Chamtau or L 1c ::; lect

Cotum1ttee ou Pnbhc Wc.rl" >tated th:tt the I C(~>l"t uf th"t wmnutt"'e 1ould he reach next ~k

Captam DA~E ga c nct~ce tl1at on FJ!(\a' next he "ould aAk the Com, 1 >nPf of Pohce wnethet tt was mtend~d to lpptHnt an ofiu.:er to 't 1t the out stat10ne of he oolum also what "~" the 11umbt r of~ ;ons ttl the c1t1 pohce lhe nnmue1 that m end~ l t) rc,Jgn ~nd the cau~ ot theu 1 anng

The cor O~TAT SECI..ETJ\R'\: " tid an>wer the first qm,tt n su on<e It "~s the mttcnt1on of the Go\ mum< n t to apr tnt an of!iee to vt tt th out stat10 ''

Captam DA '\'!': alw ga1 c noli e for ludny ol que:,t1ou, relative to tht> ex1~ nd1tnt e allll nun&gemcot of the Lou\! ll"i> HIU luun., the }llld\ \Car !Bel ot the A•'~' Oft1cf tf the p1e sent elate

l.n reph to 111 Goodman thP COL0:\'1 <\ L 8J:;CH~ rAt.\ Rlated that tlw Lleutcnmt Gvvetnor lud not tecc1vcd 1 et the expected deapakh f10m the Home lim ~rnmc nt n lal 1n" t-o the "'lU~ttu,g qur!ii!On l ut tlHt ll1 Excel l ollcl had teet llt'd 1 om n\lnica lull st<l( tl"' that that <hspatcl, w~s ou t~ 11 11.1 out tv 1h~ nl 01

lu repl) to 1Ir 0 ::.IlA'\; <\S::. \ the COl I .,.QTOlt ot CUl':llOi\h , t.'ltcd th~t he had eudeavotcd to clc 1r the \Vita t 1 th accnmu lqhons of ttmber up"n 1t ~ml to ptc-ent the 1'\l(ttrtence ot the Hll1 an < l ut 1 hat o" ng to the tmperfecttOtlll , l th lo< ll Act he waa not qmtc as s11 cr "t rl as he he rould ha'" "hh d !I be1ng tm]OSStlle t1) ~uo out a "at ant ao-un~t C"et'l' ol\cnclv But that a ll11l to tmp;o,c the pow<r> g11 en utldoc that Act would be shorth mtroduccd &!ld t.hfC•ugl~ tt8 agrtw1 1.~ h arl 1 dnnt t rf

oomg t"Oropleteh sucee<>Sful m re•tot mg the wh1rf to a oondit~<>n of order

Mr :FA \VhS ER as) ed 1! there was aov law to prot{)ctthll II\~"' and prop~ Iiles ot p ~~ ~ngm• gowg from one oobm to an< ther u1 rurn.;n H&t ko ln S-clnov wheu he was there !l< mt CI0 ht mont'•~ ago a ~>re1gn ve:;;,el h Hl been 11 1 ec ked on tht coa t anti sevf lit! liV'C" lo t but the hw offi ..,t'il t'~"t e slttcd th~' h,HL no JU.u><.ltct.ion tn the m 1ltcr \'Vas 1t so here I

The !\rron:-nYGI"'<l'I-Al... ~a1d the Gom t.; of th' colony had no JUT sdJctiOn u.ale~ t he o[i nrlmg p11-tie.; c~ nc \It Illl the lxmncl.s 01 the ~oltm 1

The SUllY PY!)h hl' ~Eli!\lJ lwl on the talle ttdum mo, ed ~ t b' 1H1 Fawl er tc latne ttl the ~ale d Cto"lll '1d and mt1ma t d that a lui ther ~~ urn JU the snl ~~ t was m course o" pmpxnt 100

'.rm NEW CO:>;STT'IU'IIO~ rhi' House then v.cnt llltO committee

tlus Thll Mr >:.nodgi a•s ll1 the ch.atr On \ Lbuie 4 6 relatmg til the sal me.'! of

J 1dg~a "Inch WIIS as follow< -:X l V l !luch Ml'll 1es ns are '•tiled npon ~~~., J dge•

fqr the t tne be n~ l y Act f Parliament,.. otller v se and ill suet salar es as sh "ll or TT 1y be u future b'Tanted by l!et M )e>ty her he "" :u d S>>coe sOl's or other"" 0 any r >ture J •does ol lbe sad 8 lpreme Court •hall n aU time oommg be pa•d and pay ll>le lo eve y such

JIKige fot tlte t1me be ng so long a• hi!! }'8\ent or c<>m mtsnot~ sh \ll oootJu e and reu1:un Ul f. rce

The COLLEC 1 OR of CUSTOMS stated Lfl r vply ttJ the S)Y.'al,er that the clauae would not ~c\tmt the Le~llture nukmg ~nv alt<lrat on tu the schedule of sal.mea, but that 1t would ptevent 1tci alt~nng th~; salary of any me 1ndn tdtta1 Tudge du tug ht• llft:tu:ae

'The clawre «a<; agreed to also Clan~e 4 7 relatmg to ex:~.:uug law~

ran thus " as ugre< d to w1th llotne amendment., t~nd "1thout dtSCtl-.. ,100

N!ld that tt11~e pen•wns 11 e10 I ot su pp(>8Cd to ho r ty mont for p:t t scr nee' b tt 1s c nnpE;nsatwn fur tlJCir altcrecl Lenn1 c 'I here "ould be nuuslicc Ill thti conroe ot ~xpO>Illg t'lc"e ofllv:J ~ to the nsk of thell ofh cs b•mg lbohshed or of bcmg oo alten d m charat tet as to amount almo"t to an tht!nun He 'tnotR<l oom ra,cs Ill tho l Mg JRh 1m c >lll t• tl c otx clerk" office &:c ( 111 (, cell A bad ~xatnp e ) II" dulnot tlnuJ, 0 tlll) UCCII\cdly h t{l L c}aun but tf they look ollt c ag tm the\ would lv!!e the1r ~'H 1uns or o much ot them as exceeded the saltq of the UCI\ c ft1 e

Mr llODGSO:-\ sard 1t wa• p1 Jbabl~ that "hen th., lhll became law most of the ( ro ' "l J llcnt oflic• 1 would have h eld office for Sf. me t m~ •o tlt~t M r E a" knct s roam ob J• d 10n "ould not •tand

:;'\{r F i\ \\ K :\ I I, ~~II s lm~ dlfhcult} m the mHtt•r •nH tg frcm tl1u fXNlron 111 VI lueh th.n "CH pia <1 l y t 11e d~Rl ate 1 but he hopt d the cl mse woull be cut up ven muel1 I cfow tt w~s pa•std Ht 11 anted to kno u how thcxe cluugcs wet~ lo be p wl ITe antiCipated a g1 cat many changes tn ten ) c 1r• he had seen man} lU Ins crght-een ) c 1ro ex per len< e m the < olonv and h CX[>I'Otcd a contmnPd change ot offtc.Jr~ He 1 an O\ ct the hHt of officera and cha1 aut-cn•ed several of them as ha\ mg scarcely done an:~ Btl" e :y ct hemg new m office

I he ::;PM!\.KLH ~he11 rl that the neces•ary ~um~ to ~o nplcto the expected clatnlM wm 6 phl\ tded !or h) other parts o1 the schedule

Mt l<AWKNEU oouplamed that £200 000 11 as no\\ go.ng to be 1 otecl away lie complamed aloo that the de,patch spoke of hUrrendm 1ng the Crown Lmds hut that 1t wa~ •tated by the Att rnny (,cneral that the) must be bought and p ~td ror tf 11 anted He would n t 111th dra\'0 h1s matron unle:;s he were tulh sabsfied ho" far 1t would be earned He referred to the so call d I'rot,ctors of Abongmes >I ho we1 e d •rm••cd VI tthout eomptnsatton he tho 1ght that OfilCI>l" .;o 1 cccntly appomt.ed as all those no'" 111 ofhce ought to be aailsh~d w1th on l Jear" pav tJ rctue IIHh they were nll 'onng m~n and the, were for a shor t t.ctln o! blln tee to be kept m Hllenes~ for the rest r th •lal s at the ex, en.;e of the ctmnLrJ n~ dul not mmd g n m g a gQotl pen , on to m~n 1\ ho had &. 1 ved 11 oll and long

Mr SPJ ArT rcto ted on Mr Fmknct"

~1on:"'

Mt Jl :\ TNt:S re,Jewtng the ohJectwn• 'f m t mbe" 'n the other sHlc thou.,ht Ln!lt offi ~cro ould not pro'lde for thut ohl ag" 1!1 a Ehort ttmn of offi e

Mr l 111 kner il mendment W!lll kst on a d 'tf> 1n b) 19 to 5 -th e mmont1 cons1~t1 1g ef M""~'r' E a11 knet }{,leo; 0 huen Dme anl ( "" w

1 he blank "a' llllecl np "1th the t1• o-thnd• f1tc lan•e "as th"n put tn<l pa, rd ' \'Hit reler<>ncc to the g1 ant m a ttl ot reH

10n treat~d ot m the ""'!! th l m~c "' The ( Ol r r G rvH ot CUS I Ol\IS • n,l that tliP. subject 1\ould not be rrco.<;cd to a dtvt~ton tlt 1t n .,ht a• there "o e petlltom on th< l lie on the ultcct aud man) illclllbers would wtoh to cxp1 er;o thetr opmwn•

.rhe tnderstandt1ti "as l!.CC<lf ted that ho" "' cr the uh1 et rn1ght be d i!K'U•scd 1f 1t < 1me on th ,t c 'mng no dectswn 1-honld be ar n .-e<l at

J he (cumtl tlJ t n~d At •t'- (dock 1 he H<>n,c rca><st mlled m ccmmlttc'€ 11 few

rn nnte~ altrr !'lllel 1 d ck no the 5 lth hn'e rcla1wg

tnd "hwh ran lhn~ -

Dt CrREEV! 8 And all mme«

should l c rttided pnt<>s he1 e tftet

The lddittU.'l "as agreed to lift r Al\1l'..S THOi\<IPSON constdrted th ~~

the clant!e should be postponed td l tlH ; had d1sposed of l'lause GS It mvoh ed the "hole ' qnattmg <incstwn wlnch wa" of the ntmo~t nnporta.neo It had been taJk a allont an 1 w ttiCi' about f>r 'ears It had been the con •t 1 1t theme f the pre'" bnt he C(lnl <l not nnde tand the ' IC\\S ad>ocatoi! hl the 1 re., (1 t lillt 1l c 1C of Hcnr h~at ) '1 h o.;e jYeJ t1 men" ho -a tel 1 <'ar hc~t' rhd not them 1' eB unde1s and 1t Tt "'as a 1 un,tt m of the 1 tmo"t tmpott.~nce lt concerned the honor ol tl c e np1re fhe publte futth "a,~ pledged to the F'qnattrl'IJ and Jo the Queen to ht rak he1 wor(l was one of the m ost ft rghtfu1 tl lllg>; "h1oh could he'al a man ( Laughte 1

'I he Sl'l< Al\ER thought that the Cun l1 tutton and the eqnattmg question 8hould be kc 1 t apm t &ild that the J¥esent Il1ll -houlLl h tn e nothurg to clQ w1th thnt q11e,t1 M 11<'

apl"rehtmded tha~ IL WllS mere y a matter of e arrangement I

1 hti A 1 I ORNEY GENERAL Muld not c agree that It was ffit!teh a matt. r of a ra.ng " mont 1 he U10wn lanl• wtro to be h!Uidt:d I ov~r ta the colony ln th1s pnt pose the La.nd Sa1e~ Act aud Ut ders m < ounctl must b re of pealledJ ru d 1f ~hch repeal m terferell WI hex l~ttmg nghts those rt,{hts •h<mld be re;;pect­ed hv the pt'OV!titon• of th<l Act

Mr O'SI:lA N AS::> Y held th 1t the 6Rth cla11se "hould have stood firot nstead ot last 1L should hll''<'l formed part 0f t he p eamulewhlCh contams reftrence flo. the repeal of all e.. .. o~tm Acts on the same snhJect, but thl" would hav~ k pt out the emu pen•atlon p1 ov so It "as therefore placed m 1ts present po'1hon vcn rulf1ll) by 1ts author l[o d1d not say that the Attotney G~net al wa• the aut hOI ( !Vlt f awkner Hot hoI ).fun twa.~ ru rely a tran SCfi!Jl of Mr Went" 01 t h .;~ .Bill on the same sul~ect

'lhe ATTORNEY GENF. RAL explatncd that repealed Acb we1e now gen{ 1 ll.Y sch ... dn}od watt ad ol be111g: mtrou.lCcd m the pre tmblo

Mr ORIH LTB tl ought th 1t ~'the >~nt Ject was tmportant and could not be settled that ., n gltt he 'hould m oYe an ndJ~urnmcnt Th1s ~ •o howevet he sub:requentl'Y "1thd t w I

Mr SPI A rr moved that tiP d t1i<f should le~ be po:; poned till tl1e 6t!th dau•e -wM di-"posed l lh£ of 'I' tie motum "as reJected I

The SP1 AKER sugplsted that tl spatche" J 1

were on th "•) f1om the home G \ etRment 1 rel,.ttve to tl1e Uro\\ n lands He wanted >'<m, 1!: t as;wance f10m th~ Government aa to the n

course th11t "'ould be ad >f•ted b<l I he UOLONI \L SliCRETAl Y IH hed to

know how the Gov~ Ttruent could gr1-e an a.: u ranee on the ba'Ul of a de<J atch 1\ luch had not ) et tJeen •cce1 ved

rhe c}auw W IS put and pa_«oed Wtth SOill

verbal alteratwnb after 1 de,ulto ' d»cu:.,.wu on the hteral cnrl8tructlou of 1t

Cl Ul!!e 67 \IZ -

I XV![ 1n tl e co lStrucl on of t1 "' Art •1 e tern1 h er or ~.-I all n :u U ~ per.:! n tor r..ht> t me bf. g

~~ '~ l~~~~~ UIHJ.::itcr ng the Go" ern ~ o ~l 1:! Vol .)

"a• the~ 1 ut a11d paSS('d I he comm1ttcc then reported progte~ a,k

m,; leave to s1t agam to mono 1 HRE Hl!:Sl l!GilON BILL

'I'hlS llJ l W IS t hen ft u the! WI1Sidt ~ tl Ul

wmm ttee and 1 x sed the second rcadmg The ~omm1tt c I a> m" rcpot ted Mr H AI N I S mo• ed that th 1 cpo t be

adopted and that tl\e l3til lJe read a tlllrd ume on 1 r cia

Iue liou;c adolllned at aqu rt-"r tot~n o clo 1-


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