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- . __ ........-- -.-_.-- ORIGINAL / _._ •• _ •• _. M •• _ •• + ••••••- •• _ ••••••• BEFORE THE FLORIDA JUDICIAL QUALIFICATIONS COMMISSION STATE OF FLORIDA INQUIRY CONCERNING A JUDGE CASE NO. SCIO-348 RE: JUDGE DALE C. COHEN, #09-524 ....... _ <" _ -.-:.. ______________-'--_----:1 S:' ::: ... '''''''::'''''','; \;'" (.::.::. ,,:,}, .' .", <"'J 1..:", 'i<) •.•. ."'.\ \ JQC'S REPLY TO JUDGE COHEN'S RESPONSE TO ':-':.', .. ORDER TO SHOW CAUSE \ r ',;,,:\ (,,)', . " ....... \ \ \ (;J 'J The Florida Judicial Qualifications Commission (JQG}; \py its' , \ undersigned counsel, files this reply to Judge Dale C. Cohen's response to this Court's order to show cause issued April 6, 2011. We will use the following reference symbols: T-_ refers to the transcript of the hearing. C-_ refers to Judge Cohen's response to this Court's Order to Show Cause. S-_ refers to the parties Stipulation of Facts and Documents. F- refers to the JQC's Findings, Conclusions and Recommendations. INTRODUCTION The JQC Hearing Panel found that Judge Cohen committed three separate violations of the Code of Judicial Conduct (the Code):
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BEFORE THE FLORIDA JUDICIAL QUALIFICATIONS COMMISSION STATE OF FLORIDA

INQUIRY CONCERNING A JUDGE CASE NO SCIO-348

RE JUDGE DALE C COHEN 09-524

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The Florida Judicial Qualifications Commission (JQG py its ~

undersigned counsel files this reply to Judge Dale C Cohens response to

this Courts order to show cause issued April 6 2011

We will use the following reference symbols

T-_ refers to the transcript of the hearing

C-_ refers to Judge Cohens response to this Courts Order to Show

Cause

S-_ refers to the parties Stipulation ofFacts and Documents

F- refers to the JQCs Findings Conclusions and

Recommendations

INTRODUCTION

The JQC Hearing Panel found that Judge Cohen committed three

separate violations ofthe Code of Judicial Conduct (the Code)

1 It was a violation of the Code when Judge Cohen exercised

poor judgment and acted inappropriately in calling his wife as a witness at a

recusal hearing in which Judge Cohen acted as an inquisitor He did so to

embarrass and intimidate Attorney Steve Melnick and to prevent him from

filing more recusal motions reflecting poorly on Judge Cohens wife Mardi

Levey Cohen when she was engaged in another election campaign This

conduct violated the Code Canons 1 2A 2B 3B(1) 3B(2) 3B(7) and

3E(l)(b) (F-4 19)

2 In the cases of State v Gibbs and State v Butler Judge Cohen

violated the Code when he exercised poor judgment and placed both Gibbs

and Butler under oath and interrogated them about the recusal motions that

their attorney Steve Melnick filed These proceedings had the appearance

of impropriety and Judge Cohen used them to convey the public impression

that his wife a judicial candidate was right and attorney Steve Melnick

was wrong (F-6 19-20)

3 In Judge Cohens written submission to the Investigative Panel

dated December 10 2009 Judge Cohen was guilty of a misplaced personal

attack on Attorney Steve Melnick (F-6)

The Hearing Panel found Judge Cohen not guilty of misleading the

Investigative Panel (F-6) not guilty of an improper submission to the JQC

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of photographs of Attorney Steve Melnick to embarrass and intimidate Mr

Melnick (F-7) not guilty failing to mention the State v Butler case to the

Investigative Panel at his initial appearance before the Investigative Panel

(F-7) and not guilty of a pattern and practice of wrongdoing (F-8)

Thus the Hearing Panel found Judge Cohen guilty of three separate

violations of the Code but found that these violations did not collectively

constitute a pattern and practice of wrongdoing

ARGUMENT

Although Judge Cohen states that he accepts the JQCs rendition of

facts to the extent that they are non-argumentative and non-conc1usory

(C-I-2) Judge Cohen then launches a serious challenge to the Hearing

Panels findings of fact even challenging facts that the parties agreed to by

stipulation

It is well-settled that a stipulation is binding on the parties and the

court unless it was made because of fraud misrepresentation or mistake

EGYB Inc v First Union Natl Bank ofFla 630 So2d 1216 1217 (Fla 5th

DCA 1994) see also Gunn Plumbing Inc v The Dania Bank 252 So2d 1

(Fla 1971) (holding a proper stipulation is binding of parties courts and

may in some circumstances be recognized in another action or proceeding)

When a case is tried upon stipulated facts the stipulation is binding not only

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upon the parties but also upon the trial and appellate courts and further that

no other or different facts will be presumed to exist Troup v Bird 53

So2d 717 721 (Fla 1951)

The Florida Supreme Court is unable to modify a stipulation between

the JQC and a judge In re Inquiry Concerning Judge Downey III 937

So2d 643 650 (Fla 2006) In cases where a judge admits to wrongdoing

and the JQCs findings are undisputed this Court will ordinarily conclude

that the JQCs findings are supported by clear and convinc~ng evidence

Id citing In re Diaz 908 So2d 334 337 (Fla 2005) We have also

recognized that a judges own admissions of the misconduct and

impropriety of that conduct bolster the JQCs findings which we give great

weight as we consider it recommendation of discipline Id In re Angel

867 So2d 379 382-83 (Fla 2004) In these cases the judge stipulated to

violations of both the charges and the disciplinary action

In In re Graziano 696 So2d 744753 (Fla 1992) the Supreme Court

summarized the entire process of JQC fact-fmding and Supreme Court

reVIew

Before reporting findings of fact to this Court the JQC must conclude that they are established by clear and convincing evidence In re McAllister 646 So2d 173 177 (Fla 1994) This Court must then review the findings and determine whether they meet this quantum of proof a standard which requires more proof than a preponderance of the evidence but

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the less than beyond and to the exclusion of a reasonable doubt In re Davey 645 So2d 398 404 (Fla 1994) If the findings meet this intermediate standard then they are of persuasive force and are given great weight by this Court See In re LaMotte 341 So2d 513 516 (Fla 1977) This is so because the JQC is in a position to evaluate the testimony and evidence first-hand See In re Crewell 379 So2d 107 (Fla 1979) However the ultimate power and responsibility III

making a determination rests with this Court Id

The Parties Stipulation

To facilitate the trial the JQC and Judge Cohen stipulated to ten pages

of facts and to the authenticity of 17 different documents compilations of

documents and transcripts (S-1-10) A fact established by stipulation

achieves a certitude that exceeds beyond a reasonable doubt Tribunals

consider such facts to be absolute and beyond dispute Furthermore fact-

finders are entitled to draw reasonable inferences from such stipulated facts I

But in his argument Judge Cohen attacks some of the very facts to which he

stipulated and he attacks the reasonable inferences drawn from those facts

For example Judge Cohen states on page 2 ofhis response

Attorney Stephen Melnick was notmiddot actively involved in Mardi Levey Cohens judicial candidacy in 2006 He had sent a small check in support and posted a sign at this office (T -159-150 246 14)

The Court in McCloud v Swanson 681 So2d 898 900 (Fla 4th DCA 1996) held In determining the facts the fact-finder may draw reasonable inferences from the evidence Fla Std Jury Instr (Civ) 21) Consequently the reasonable factual deductions drawn from the testimony become positive evidence of those facts within the meaning of Tozir v Jarvis [emphasis in the original]

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Yet Judge Cohen stipulated as follows regarding Mr Melnicks involvement

in his wifes judicial campaign (S-2-3 -r6)

In the Broward County judicial election of 2006 Attorney Stephen Melnick actively supported and worked for the election of Mardi Cohen a candidate for a Broward County circuit judgeship and the wife of Judge Dale C Cohen

On pages 2-7 of his response Judge Cohen argues facts that the

Hearing Panel disregarded rej ected or found immaterial in reaching its

findings and conclusions about Judge Cohen

Judge Cohen takes particular issue (C-6) with the Hearing Panels fact

findings on pages 19-20 of the Hearing Panels Findings and Conclusions

(F-19-20) The Hearing Panels facts found on pages 19-20 consist of the

following facts and reasonable inferences that a fact-fmder is allowed to

draw from those facts

bull [Judge Cohen] made a misplaced personal attack on the character of

Attorney Melnick thinking that Melnick was the source of the

charges and that a good offense was better than simply responding

(F-19) [The Hearing Panel relied upon Judge Cohens own testimony

at pages 611 634-35 and 694 of the transcript Copies of those pages

are attached for the Courts convenience as composite Exhibit A]

bull Judge Cohen exercised poor judgment and acted inappropriately in

calling his wife as a witness at a recusal hearing in which he acted as

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an inquisitor He did so to embarrass and intimate Melnick and to

prevent him from filing more recusal motions reflecting poorly on

Levey Cohen when she was engaged in another election campaign

[The Hearing Panel supports this conclusion by referring to Exhibit

H2 which is the transcript of the 6(b) hearing before the Investigative

Panel Copies of the referenced pages from the transcript are attached

for the Courts convenience as composite Exhibit B]3

bull Assertions that the Cohens had no discussions of Melnicks recusal

motions before the August 6 2009 Gibbs recusal hearing (T -167 -68)

strain credulity particularly in light of the detailed questions and

answers on this subject before the JQC Investigate Committee [The

Hearing Panel supported this finding based upon trial Exhibit H

which is the transcript of Judge Cohens appearance before the JQC

Investigative Committee where Judge Cohen testified under oath

together with pages 657-63 of the trial transcript Copies of these

excerpts of testimony are attached as Composite Exhibit C]

2 In its Findings and Conclusions the Hearing Panel refers to Exhibit D but we believe that this is an error and the reference should be to Exhibit H the transcript of the 6(b) hearing The reference to Exhibit D was to the transcript of the State v Gibbs hearing which was only 18 pages long which has led us to conclude that the reference should be to Exhibit H 3 At Judge Cohens 6(b) hearing before the JQCs Investigative Panel Judge Cohen admitted that he violated the Code (8-6 ~20 8-8 Ex H pp 40-4149-50 and 69) (8ee composite Exhibit D)

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bull Judge Cohen continued to exercise poor judgment when he placed

Gibbs and Butler under oath and interrogated them about the recusal

motions filed by Attorney Melnick Judge Cohen may not have

intended to retaliate against Attorney Melnick but these proceedings

had the appearance of impropriety and were used by the Judge to

convey the public impression that his wife was right and Melnick

wrong

Judge Cohen challenges these facts with this argument (C-6)

The facts found on page 19 through 20 of the JQCs Findings Conclusions and Recommendations are argumentative and conclusory and Judge Cohen does not agree to that rendition of the facts Specifically Judge Cohen did not make a misplaced personal attack on Stephen Melnick Judge Cohen did not intend to embarrass and intimidate Melnick to prevent him from filing recusal moti~ns that would reflect poorly on Mardi Levey Cohen

Unfortunately for Judge Cohen the Hearing Panels Findings of Fact

are based upon stipulated evidence together with Judge Cohens own

testimony and admissions That evidence is beyond clear and convincing

These factual conclusions are permissible inferences drawn from the

foregoing clear and convincing evidence

Issue I The Pattern and Practice Issue (C-7)

Judge Cohen advances a contorted argument that the Hearing Panel

was required to find a pattern and practice of wrongdoing and in the

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absence of such a finding there can be no finding that Judge Cohen violated

the Code

This argument falls of its own weight Essentially the JQC alleged

Code violations arising from two separate legal matters State v Gibbs and

State v Butler The Hearing Panel found violations arising from each of

those hearings and also found that it was a violation of the Code for Judge

Cohen to make a personal attack on Attorney Melnick before the

Investigative Panel Those are three separate violations Each stands on its

own That the Hearing Panel did not find that those three separate violations

constituted a pattern and practice does not negate the finding that each of

those findings constituted a separate violation

On page 10 of his reply Judge Cohen argues that the JQC must

prove all elements of an offense or the cause of action There is no cause of

action here Instead facts are alleged and facts are proven and the Hearing

Panel reaches a conclusion as to whether those facts transgress one or more

provisions of the Code Judge Cohens efforts to compare this JQC

proceeding to an ordinary civil or criminal case fails

Issue II - Whether the Hearing Panel Made Factual Findings that Are not Supported by Clear and Convincing Evidence (C-14)

This argument is already refuted above But again the short answer

is that the JQCs findings are based on the parties stipulated facts and

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stipulated documents and on Judge Cohens own sworn testimony and

admissions both before the Investigative Panel and at the trial The

stipulated evidence and the admissions out of the respondents own mouth

clearly exceed the clear and convincing standard and even exceed beyond

a reasonable doubt because the evidence consists of facts the parties agreed

were true and admissions that Judge Cohen made himself under oath On

pages 14-29 of his reply Judge Cohen merely re-argues facts that have

already been found against him based on evidence that is far more

conclusive than evidence that merely meets the clear and convincing

standard

Issue Ill Whether the Court Should Reduce the Sanction to Admonishment Because the Hearing Panel Found no Pattern and

Practice of Misconduct (C-37)

We have already addressed the pattern and practice issue Even

though the Hearing Panel found that the three violations that occurred did

not constitute a pattern and practice of wrongdoing the Panel nevertheless

found three separate serious violations of the Code In recommending a

public reprimand the Hearing Panel found that each of the violations arose

from Judge Cohens use of office in efforts to vindicate his wife (F-2S)

The Pan~l compared Judge Cohens offense to judges using the prestige of

their office to obtain favorable treatment for relatives or friends (F-2S) The

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Panel properly concluded that a public reprimand would be the appropriate

discipline However if the Court is inclined to alter the discipline the Court

should consider whether the discipline should be enhanced to include a

suspension andor a fine because of the unique circumstances of Judge

Cohens violations

CONCLUSION

Judge Cohen admitted under oath that calling his wife as a witness in

a recusal hearing was wrong (S-Ex H ppAO 4149 50 69) As this Court

reiterated in In re Eriksson 36 So3d 580 (Fla 2010) if the Hearing Panels

findings meet the clear and convincing evidentiary test those findings are

of persuasive force and are given great weight by this Court This Court

also pointed out that the JQC is in a position to evaluate the testimony and

evidence first-hand The findings of the Hearing Panel in this matter are

based upon stipulated evidence admissions from Judge Cohen in his sworn

testimony and reasonable inferences drawn from such evidence This Court

should affirm the Hearing Panels Findings and Conclusions

CERTIFICATE OF SERVICE

I HEREBY CERTIFY that a true and correct copy of the foregoing

has been furnished by regular US mail to Michael A Catalano Esq

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Michael A Catalano PA 1531 NW 13th Court Miami FL 33125middot

Laurie Waldman Ross Esq Ross and Girten 9130 S Dadeland Blvd Suite

1612 Miami FL 33156 and Henry M Coxe III Esq Chairman JQC

Hearing Panel Bedell Dittmar DeVault Pillans amp Coxe PA 101 East

Adams Street Jacksonville FL 32202-3303 this 23day o~~

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JUDICIAL QUALIFICATIONS COMMISSION

By Michael L Schneider General Counsel Florida Bar No 525049 1110 Thomasville Road Tallahassee FL 32303 (850) 488-1581

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wife Holding that hearing did not benefit my wife

in any way whatsoever

Q Did it benefit you

A It didnt benefit me It wasnt part of

my thought process The reason I had the hearing

was the reason that I said -- was just trying to

clear things up When I called Melnick in his

office I just said Im just trying to clear

things up I never said anything bad about

Melnick other than when I responded to JQC because

I think there were issues of credibility I think

they had accused me of some very -- they were way

off in their accusations on their notice of

investigation And I just assumed that some of

those accusations came from Melnick And I just

wanted to paint a little better picture for them of

who Mr Melnick is Hes not the height of

credibility I like him Hes not a bad guy You

know socially hes a good guy I cant explain

Professionally I have problems Socially I have

no problem wi th Steve Melnick

Q Anything else you want to tell the panel

A I need a bathroom break

Q And are you feeling okay now

A Yeah

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representing one of these people -- and Im wrong on

this assumption Im just telling you I assumed

that he had some -- someone else was representing

these people and Melnick just came in and got me off

the case

Q Okay So this is your assumption for

which you have not a scintilla of evidence and that

is that Melnick was doing a favor for somebody else

bumping you off the case so that other lawyer could

represent these people before another judge

A That was the only thing I could think of

why he would file a motion to recuse

Q But you dont have an ounce of proof that

that was the case do you

A And it wasnt the case it

Q It wasnt the case

A It wasnt the case

Q Okay

A Im telling you what my thought process

was August of 2009

Q Okay Now we got that cleared up

A One of the lawyers in his office Valerie

Small-Williams and she had been working very hard

to get me off one of her cases but she had no

grounds And I had thought that this was one of

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those cases But I was wrong

Q You were wrong

A I was wrong No question

Q Were admitting on the stand right now

that this is pure speculation on your part and

theres not a bit of truth to it

A Theres no truth to it And that was my

thought process was that he was just trying to get

me off the case for one of his friends but that -shy

that turned out not to be the case

Q All right Judge Cohen can you

understand why a lawyer in the shoes ofmiddot Mr Melnick

who perceives himself as having gotten into an

adversarial relationship with your wife that

involved what he characterizes as a hostile

telephone conversation ending with a hang-up that

he had at least peripheral involvement in a lawsuit

in which your wife was the named defendant and he

was involved in an adversary -- with an adversarial

election person and the lawsuit actually resulted in

your wifes name being stricken from the ballot and

may have cost her the election that that whole

imbroglio might make him wonder if he should be

bringing clients before you her husband for you to

be the judge on it Do you understand how he might

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whether it was made private My question to you

were those photographs sent to the Judicial

Qualifications Investigative Panel for the sole

purpose of trying to persuade them there was

something bad about Melnick and therefore you must

be telling the truth as to how you handled this

matter

A Theres no question that theres some

type of credibility issue Ther~ were allegations

in the notice of investigation that had been made by

Mr Melnick and I wanted the JQC to understand that

it isa credibility i$sue and that your -- number

one I want you to know about my credibility and I

want you to understand about Steve Melnick so you

can make an intelligent decision I obviously

didnt want the JQC to file charges against me I

was put in a position where I had to defend myself

Q Can I assume Judge Cohen as we sit here

now that you understand that the reason for Rule

2330 saying you dont get into the truthfulness or

lack of truthfulness of whats in front of you is so

the public can have confidence that a judge is not

pitting himself or herself against somebody in front

of them

A Correct I agree with that And I try L

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tbey iere exaggerated And I thought well if

h~~erd my wife he would realize what he was

writing wasnt true and we would get past it

be wouldn t file them anymore and this would

clear it up I thought whatever disagreement

he had I thought if he heard from my wife and

he got to speak that would be it and it would

go

And we actually had the hearing And

heres where Im stupid because I actually

thought after thishearing I thought it was

cleared up But apparently ~ot because he

went to the chief criminal administrative judge

and complained that I had a hearing So I had

a hearing with the chief criminal

administrative judge who told me You cant

have hearings if somebody files a motion to

recuse II

And I told Ilona Holmes thats not what

were taught in judicial college Im going to

get to that argument I do have a right to have

a hearing

In any event once I found out he was

upset I called Melnicks office

apologized I told hirq the only reason that I

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I didnt say one word at that recount I

didnt open my mouth at that recount I was

there to watch and support my wife who was

going through a very difficult time in her

life I mean I dont know if you have any

idea how tough it is to be involved in a

recount I mean it turned into a circus And

she had nobody And I was there at the recount

with her

I did not open my mouth once I didnt

talk to anybody at that recount I was just

physically there with her And thats all I

did

I understand about ~erception I handled

this badly I know I handled this badly I

understand its perception I dont think

legally I did anything wrong and thats why I

gave you the cases Its not - Im not an

expert on the area of disqualification Ive

only filed one motion to disqualify in 20 years

as a lawyer

I know its bad And Ive granted every

single one I just -- and I got frustrated

He carne into court and gave me three at once

and I just wanted to clear it up so that he

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wouldnt file them in the future It really

had nothing to do with my wife it was more

just clearing up steve why are you doing

this Im your friend I dont understand

And thats where I was coming from It

really had nothing to do with my wife

THE CHAIR Dr Haber

Judge Wolf

JUDGE WOLF I cant let a couple of

things go You know you came in here saying

you were trying to hold this hearing SO you

could get over the friendship -- or get your

friendship back with this guy And thats not

true It is directly in conflict with what you

just said I held a hearing to get him t6

stop filing these motions That was the

reason you held this hearing And that is

inappropriate for getting someone to stop

filing motions So youre digging yourself a

bigger grave

THE RESPONDENT Can I respond

JUDGE WOLF No

All I want to -- well Ill let you

respond The reason you held that hearing was

to get him to s~op filing motions wasnt it

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Now you can respond

THE RESPONDENT Okay I thought that

the reason he was filing the motions was

because he was afraid that I would retaliate

against him And we were friends and if he

understood that we had a friendship and maybe

he misunderstood what was going on between him

and my wife that he wouldnt -- that it would

be okay

And thats what I thought when I left the

hearing its all cleared up he heard her

side she heard his IIAnd now you dont have

to be afraid that I couldnt be fair in your

case II

I thought that Honestly I -- I dont

have a problem recusing myself on cases I

dont own these cases I have no stake in

these cases I just its just frustrating

when somebodys your friend and thinks that you

cant be fair You know Im sure thats

happened to you And its just frustrating

And I was friends with Steve Melnick so

but youre right I mean I didnt want him

to continually file them But the reason he

was filing them wa~ because he didnt think I

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THE RESPONDENT Correct

JUDGE SILBERMAN 3(a) of the code A

judge shall hear -- Im sorry 3(b) (1) A

~udge shall hear and decide matters assigned to

the judge except those in which

disqualification is required

Do you understand that sentence

THE RESPONDENT I do

JUDGE SILBERMAN So why dont you

describe for the commission how those two

provisions fit together and support your

conducting an evidentiary hearing in which your

wife is a witness

THE RESPONDENT It doesnt Although

the only thing I could say is that I did

disqualify myself from the hearing There was

no harm well theres harm to the dommunity

I dont want to say that theres no harm but

I mean but Mr Melnick wanted

disqualification I granted his

disqualification I mean my mi~take obviously

was h~ving the hearing But that doesnt

JPPG~ ~ILBE~~~ Couldn t a p~r$on

looking at this say or conclude that you

conducted the hearing in order to intimidate

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telling you that -shy

JUDGE SILBERMAN- Andmiddot your reo$middotpon~libility

as a judge is not to put Y01rself or the

judiciary in that position r isnt it

THE RESPONDENT Yes

JUDGE SILBERMAN Why wasmiddot your wifemiddot at

THE RESPONDENT I asked her to be there

JUDGE SILBERMAN So you provided for a

witness to attend an evidentiary hearing that

you were going to conduct

THE RESPONDENT (Moving head up amiddotnd

~UDGE SILBERMAN I canthear you

THEmiddot RESmiddotPO~NDENT Yes Yes

J-UDGE SILBEmiddotR~AN She was nomiddott under

sulgtpoena

THE RESPONDENT No

JUDGE SILBERMAN This is an evidentiary

hearing on a motion to disqualify in the ca~e

of State versus Gibbs Wheres the prosecutor

in this hearing

THE RESPONDENT They were in the

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courtroom They might not have announced but

they were in the courtroom

JUDGE SILBERMAN Did you invite them to

participate

THE RESPONDENT They were just sitting

at the prosecutors table

JUDGE SILBERMAN -Did you ask them if

they had any questions of the witness

THE RESPONDENT No

JUDGE SILBERMAN You start out the

hearing by asking your wife if she had the

opportunity to read the motion Correct

THE RESPONDENT Correct

JUDGE SILBERMAN Mr Melnick then

objects relating that-youre going to have to

make -- if you go forward with the hearing

youre going to be making determinations as to

credibility Correct

THE RESPONDENT Correct

JUDGE SILBERMAN And in fact you asked

questions of your wife Is that correct

THE RESPONDENT Thats correct

JUDGE SILBERMAN You indicated that you

knew you were supposed to recuse in this

matter

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THE RESPONDENT correct

Well can I just -- I knew once I held

the hearing I was required to recuse

didnt -- and I knew that the whole purpose of

having the hearing again was to flush things

out But once I started the hearing I knew I

had to recuse

JUDGE SILBERMAN Was the motion legally

sufficient to require your recusal

THE RESPONDENT No

JUDGE SILBERMAN Why didnt you deny it

THE RESPONDENT At the time I thought

I thought it was legal~y sufficient at the

time I also thought I hadnt done anything

wrong at the time When I got this complaint

the notice of investigation I read the rule of

judicial administration which I wasnt aware

and I saw that I couldnt have the hearing

And I realized at that point that I made a

mistake But then in preparing for this

hearing I did some research Im more

familiar with disqualification now And now my

opinion is that the motion is not legally

sufficient At the time my opinion was that it

was legally sufficient

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THE RESPONDENT (Moving head up and

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JUDGE SILBERMAN I cant hear you

THE RESPONDENT Yes At the time - shy

JUDGE SILBERMAN So why - shy

THE RESPONDENT At the time I thought it

wasmiddotlegally sufficient

JUDGE SILBER~AN I~ you thought it was

legally sufficientwhy didnt you recuse

yourself on the spot

THE RESPONDENT Because I thought that I

had the right to hold a hearing based on the

disqualification disclosure packet from the

judicial college I didnt know that it was

required ~nder the Rule of Judicial

Administratioh I was looking at -- you know~

again Do not hold a hearing because it

doesnt require a hearing which means its

discretionary And then it says If you do

h~ld a hearing you must assume the facts are

true and that just by holding a hearing that

alone will require you to disqualify yourself

And thats why I held the hearing

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believed it to be legally sufficient

THE RESPONDENT Correct

JUDGE SILBERMAN In which case

I dont understand the purpose of the

hearing other than look at page seven 4(a)

Expressing displeasure with attorney for

bringing motion to disqualify may be considered

intimidation

THE RESPONDENT Right I didn t express

any displeasure

JUDGE SILBERMAN Conducting a hearing on

a matter that you already determined required

yoti to disqualify yourself is not intimidation

THE RESPONDENT It could be And I

tried to be -- you have to understand I tried

to be nice to him during this hearing I

wasnt going after him and making him feel bad

because he was filing the motion I was just

~rying to flush otit the facts And I said that

in the hearing Im just trying to flush

everything out so that everybody knows

Because we were friends before we can still be

friends And thats why I did it

I didnt study -- you have to understand

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transcript after theres a dialogue again with

Mr Melnick you then state I dont think I

have to make any kind of ruling as to the

factual dispute Is that correct

THE RESPONDENT Correct

JUDGE SILBERMAN In which case again

there was no legally justifiable purpose for

this hearing Is that correct

THE RESPONDENT Yes Yeah theres no

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JUDGE SILBERMAN I was

THE RESPONDENT It was personal It

wasnt -- but it wasnt personal in a negative

way I wasnt attacking the man I was

friends with the man Its hard to explain

when youre a judge and youre friends with

people and then because of an election that

has nothing to do with you now people are

attacking you

But I realize I had no business holding

that hearing And if it looks like because I

held the hearing that alone is intimidation

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dont know what else

Q Thats fine Ill -- Ill get you back

to where we want to go

A Okay

Q Now it was a little after noon I

believe you said when you arrived in your husbands

courtroom

A Correct

Q Okay And at about 1230 your husband

adjourned and told everyone to come back at 130

Correct

A Correct

Q Okay And then you went to lunch with

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A Correct

Q All right Just the two of you at lunchZ

A Right

Q All right And your husband asked you to

return to the courtroom with him at 130 Correct

A No He asked me if I was coming back to

the courthouse And I told him that I had hearing

at 130 And he asked me if when I was done if I

would come back into -- come back to his courtroom

A lot of times he would ask me to do that because

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might find interesting or a motion to suppress or

an attorneys arguments are interesting or

whatever -- just for interest So he would let me

know ahead of time And so thats why when he said

you know Will you come back after your hearing I

had agreed I would

Q So during your hour long lunch with your

husband you did not discuss the motion -- the

recusal motion that Mr Melnick had filed in the

Gibbs case

A No

Q No discussion of that whatsoever

A No

Q And you did not -- he did not even tell

you that he was going to -- planning to call you as

a wi tness did he

A No

Q Just came as a total shock to you

A Yes

Q Okay And we do have a transcript I

believe thats in the record here of that and

weve been through that already and I dont need to

belabor that with you All right Now-shy

A Im not sure I understand I just want

to be really clear on everything What do you mean

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the back door because my office would be on the

other side of the back door And when were leaving

the courtroom I just asked her Can you corne back

at 130 She told me she had a hearing with Judge

Gates at 130 and then she said she would corne by

as soon as that hearing with Judge Gates was over

JUDGE MENENDEZ Could I corne back and

ask a question now

THE CHAIR Okay with you

JUDGE WARREN Yeah Go ahead

EXAMINATION

BY JUDGE MENENDEZ

Q Did you have any discussions with your

wife over the fact that this lawyer Mr Melnick

was filing all these motions when he was alleging

that she had threatened him during a phone call

A If I did it would have been -shy

Q At anytime

A a year and a half earlier when he

fir s t f i led it

Q Okay And did that concern her at all

as far as expressing any concern to you about it

A This was a very minor instance Like my

wife said this was like middota meaningless event She

had run two campaigns where theres serious issues

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with serious candidates violating rules that really

needed attention This was -- she called Melnick

up she said You cant have re-elect You

cant ~- you need to say retain He changed it

and that was it I mean Melnick corrected it right

away My wife called him right away and said you

know Youre violating the rules It was

corrected and that was the end of it

Q There was apparently a disagreement at

the hearing between Mr Melnick and your wife where

I thought that her initial testimony at the hearing

before you was that she had called him because there

was a disclaimer missing from some advertisement for

Judge Dijols and then Mr Melnick contradicted her

on that and said No it didnt deal with the

disclaimer It dealt with the re-elect versus

retain

A Exactly The disclaimer on ~very

political advertisement says This ad has been

approved by the candidate This shows that my wife

and I didnt discuss it Because my wife didnt

ev~n get the issue right If I had discussed this

with my wife she would have known what the issue

was and she would have been correct ~n her

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rather than hers

A Melnick was right Hey look you

know

Q All right

A But if my wife and I talked about it she

would have gotten it right she came to court and

she had no idea and

Q Well she had some idea didnt she that

you were going

A She knew she was coming to a hearing

Q About the motions to recuse

A About Melnick

Q And his motions to recuse

A Yes

Q Okay You did tell her that ahead of

time In fact Mr Schneider phrased it says We

got another one of those Would you mind coming and

testifying And you said That was probably

exactly what was said

A Well I -- I didnt remember

QPage 62

A I asked her can you -- can you come

back I dont know that my wife knew that Melnick

had filed -- theres no way she didnt know

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theres no way she knew because I dont discuss

these things with her I just sign them and go on

I dont give my wife a recount of everything I do

every day

Q I thought a minute ago you said you had

some discussions with her -shy

A Maybe when he first filed it a year and a

half earlier but since then I never

Q Well she was aware that he had accused

her of threatening him in at least one motion to

recuse

A Yeah

Q Okay

A Yeah Yeah

Q And that - - the way Mr Schneider phrased

it he said Was there communication to the fact

that quote unquote weve got another one of

those Would you mind coming to testify

A Well those arent my words Those are

Mr Schneiders

Q They are but you said that was probably

exactly what was said

A The substance You know its -- I -- I

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use those words But I said Can you come back

You know Im doing a hearing on Melnicks motion to

recuse

Q But you did ask her to come to court and

she did know that she was coming to court to talk

about the motion

A I dont think she knew that she was going

to be testifying but she knew she was coming to

court and it was on Melnicks motion

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EXAMINATION

BY MR DUNKINSON

Q I want to continue with that before I ask

my other questions I apologize because Im the

layperson here so I have a lot of -shy

THE CHAIR Mr Catalano has pointed that

out

Q I want to make sure I understand this

because I just -- Im very confused about the

conversation with you and your wife and what the

judges have asked Page 61 this is your quote not

Schneiders I probably told her -- I may have

told her that you know Steves filed a motion to

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conversation are we talking about Is that not the

phone conversation that were talking about

A Right That would have been the phone

conversation

Q So at that point which is at your lunch

or before your lunch your wife knew what you were

going to be asking her to do Because you then

say -- or Mr Schneider says on 62 There was a

communication of the fact that quote Weve got

another one of these Would you mind coming to

testify And you again said That was probably

exactly what was saiq

A I didnt remember specifically what I had

told her I mean if you look at Line 17 on 61 I

say I probably told her and then I say I may have

told her I didnt remember exactly what I told

her I just know that I told her I was doing a

motion to recuse at 130 and if she could come back

and specifically I didnt remember

Q All right So those statements you -shy

are you now saying that those statements are not

correct Is that what youre saying

A No Im saying -shy

Q Are you retracting those

A -- I may have told her I probably -- I

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dont remember specifically what I told her a year

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Q I understand

A But when this happened when I gave this

statement and I think it was November -- yeah

November I wasnt a hundred percent what I told

her August 6th

Q All right Well the only point is you

know in her testimony yesterday as well as yours

both of you denied that you had any conversation

about it

A No I asked her to come back at 130

Q She claimed she knew nothing about what

it was about

A She didnt know I was going to be calling

her as

Q Implied that she did

A -- a witness

THE CHAIR Lets each of you finish

talking and the other can answer

Q All right Question the motion to

recuse again I dont know this but I have a

limited understanding -- can it not be the lawyer

that has an issue with you in addition to the

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I didnt study this disquaiification and

disclosure I justwent by what I learned at

judicial college two years earlier You know

I -- its impossible to know everything they

teach you at judicial college They give you

2000 pages worth of material for Session A

they give you 2000 pages of material for

Session B and were going to make mistakes

THE CHAIR I hate to interrupt When

did you go to judicial college

THE RE$PONDENT I went March I guess

2007 and -shy

THE CHAIR Did you just put these in a

closet and not read them

I mean I dont want to hear 2000

pages

Im sorry Judge

JUDGE SILBERMAN As ~e sit heremiddot today

do you agree that you violated Canons 3 3 (b)

the provisions that we went through

THE RESPONDENT Ye~

JUDGE SILBERMAN Canon 2(a) A Judge

sha-lmiddotl relJpect and aomply wi-th the Lawmiddot and sha]l

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JUDGE SILBERMAN Do you believe t~a t

yqur conduct is in violation of Canon 2(a)

THE RESPONDENT yemiddots bull

don t believe was on the nmiddototice of

investigation but I do think it s pertinent i

UA judge smiddothall not allow f amily smiddotocial

pcgtlitical or other relationshipmiddotsmiddot to influente

t~e judges judicial conduct or judgmenmiddott II

Do you think that someone cmiddotould look at

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pzolgtlem with 2 (b) as wellmiddot II

THE RESPONDENT You know I just -- Im

going to say yes I just -- you know I made

it very careful that I would not -- I didnt

comment on my wifes testimony I didnt say

liMy wife is right and youre wrong I believe

my wife II I just -- I didnt go anywhere near

there I just backed off and said IIIm not

making any rulings Your motions granted

I just tried to clear this matter up We

were friends before And thats what I did

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JUDGE FREEMAN So they were not trying

to participate Right

THE RESPONDENT No No they werent

trying to participate

JUDGE FREEMAN Had the State Attorneys

Office ever request that you have that hearing

THE RESPONDENT No

JUDGE FREEMAN Had the State Attorneys

Office ever objected to the motion to recuse

THE RESPONDENT No

JUDGE FREEMAN Thank you

THE CHAIR Mr Morales

MR MORALES Your Honor one thing

Obviously whats legally sufficient for a

layperson I dont -- Ill leave that to the

judges and the lawyers but the fact that you

happened to go t~lunch with your wife that day

and you said Oh why dont you come on by

Were going to have this little hearing do

you think thats appropriate

THE RESPONDENT I didnt I dont -shy

its not -- the whole thing is not appropriate

The fact that I had the hearing I know is not

appropriate Probably not

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Hey Im going to have a hearing after lunch

Why dont you come by and testify

THE RESPONDENT No

MR MORALES Okay You thought you

should have had this hearing

THE RESPONDENT At the time yes now

no But-shy

MR MORALES Youre going to take a

li~t~e time the next time and think about what

youre doing

THE RESPONDENT It wasnt my intent -shy

you have to understand it wasnt my intent I

wouldnt have called the guy like a couple of

days later and said Im sorry I told him

the whole thing blew up My intent was just to

repair a friendship I just

MR MORALES Repairing your f~iendship

seems to work a lot better when youre sitti~g

down talking to somebody over a cold beer or -shy

either that or just sitting in your chambers

Hey lets talk about this

THE RESPONDENT I know But if it goes

bad then theyre saying youre berating them

in chambers I just should have let it go and

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reason you think it was inappropriate

THE RESPONDENT I do think his motion

was legally insufficient and I should have

just denied it as legally insufficient and

closed the book on that case

JUDGE SILVERNAIL Okay That answers my

questions Thank you

THE RESPONDENT Okay Thank you

THE CHAIR Anybody anything else

Judge do you want to close wrap up

THE RESPONDENT No I -- I do I do

At the time I held the hearing I thought

I had the right to hold the hearing based on my

misinterpretation on what I learned at judge

school I knew that I had to grant the motion

just by the fact that I held the hearing

When I came in her~ today I legally

still think I could have held the hearing but

for different reasons because the motion was

legally insufficient based on the case law and

the research that Ive done I didnt think

about the questions that you all have posed me

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1 It was a violation of the Code when Judge Cohen exercised

poor judgment and acted inappropriately in calling his wife as a witness at a

recusal hearing in which Judge Cohen acted as an inquisitor He did so to

embarrass and intimidate Attorney Steve Melnick and to prevent him from

filing more recusal motions reflecting poorly on Judge Cohens wife Mardi

Levey Cohen when she was engaged in another election campaign This

conduct violated the Code Canons 1 2A 2B 3B(1) 3B(2) 3B(7) and

3E(l)(b) (F-4 19)

2 In the cases of State v Gibbs and State v Butler Judge Cohen

violated the Code when he exercised poor judgment and placed both Gibbs

and Butler under oath and interrogated them about the recusal motions that

their attorney Steve Melnick filed These proceedings had the appearance

of impropriety and Judge Cohen used them to convey the public impression

that his wife a judicial candidate was right and attorney Steve Melnick

was wrong (F-6 19-20)

3 In Judge Cohens written submission to the Investigative Panel

dated December 10 2009 Judge Cohen was guilty of a misplaced personal

attack on Attorney Steve Melnick (F-6)

The Hearing Panel found Judge Cohen not guilty of misleading the

Investigative Panel (F-6) not guilty of an improper submission to the JQC

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of photographs of Attorney Steve Melnick to embarrass and intimidate Mr

Melnick (F-7) not guilty failing to mention the State v Butler case to the

Investigative Panel at his initial appearance before the Investigative Panel

(F-7) and not guilty of a pattern and practice of wrongdoing (F-8)

Thus the Hearing Panel found Judge Cohen guilty of three separate

violations of the Code but found that these violations did not collectively

constitute a pattern and practice of wrongdoing

ARGUMENT

Although Judge Cohen states that he accepts the JQCs rendition of

facts to the extent that they are non-argumentative and non-conc1usory

(C-I-2) Judge Cohen then launches a serious challenge to the Hearing

Panels findings of fact even challenging facts that the parties agreed to by

stipulation

It is well-settled that a stipulation is binding on the parties and the

court unless it was made because of fraud misrepresentation or mistake

EGYB Inc v First Union Natl Bank ofFla 630 So2d 1216 1217 (Fla 5th

DCA 1994) see also Gunn Plumbing Inc v The Dania Bank 252 So2d 1

(Fla 1971) (holding a proper stipulation is binding of parties courts and

may in some circumstances be recognized in another action or proceeding)

When a case is tried upon stipulated facts the stipulation is binding not only

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upon the parties but also upon the trial and appellate courts and further that

no other or different facts will be presumed to exist Troup v Bird 53

So2d 717 721 (Fla 1951)

The Florida Supreme Court is unable to modify a stipulation between

the JQC and a judge In re Inquiry Concerning Judge Downey III 937

So2d 643 650 (Fla 2006) In cases where a judge admits to wrongdoing

and the JQCs findings are undisputed this Court will ordinarily conclude

that the JQCs findings are supported by clear and convinc~ng evidence

Id citing In re Diaz 908 So2d 334 337 (Fla 2005) We have also

recognized that a judges own admissions of the misconduct and

impropriety of that conduct bolster the JQCs findings which we give great

weight as we consider it recommendation of discipline Id In re Angel

867 So2d 379 382-83 (Fla 2004) In these cases the judge stipulated to

violations of both the charges and the disciplinary action

In In re Graziano 696 So2d 744753 (Fla 1992) the Supreme Court

summarized the entire process of JQC fact-fmding and Supreme Court

reVIew

Before reporting findings of fact to this Court the JQC must conclude that they are established by clear and convincing evidence In re McAllister 646 So2d 173 177 (Fla 1994) This Court must then review the findings and determine whether they meet this quantum of proof a standard which requires more proof than a preponderance of the evidence but

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the less than beyond and to the exclusion of a reasonable doubt In re Davey 645 So2d 398 404 (Fla 1994) If the findings meet this intermediate standard then they are of persuasive force and are given great weight by this Court See In re LaMotte 341 So2d 513 516 (Fla 1977) This is so because the JQC is in a position to evaluate the testimony and evidence first-hand See In re Crewell 379 So2d 107 (Fla 1979) However the ultimate power and responsibility III

making a determination rests with this Court Id

The Parties Stipulation

To facilitate the trial the JQC and Judge Cohen stipulated to ten pages

of facts and to the authenticity of 17 different documents compilations of

documents and transcripts (S-1-10) A fact established by stipulation

achieves a certitude that exceeds beyond a reasonable doubt Tribunals

consider such facts to be absolute and beyond dispute Furthermore fact-

finders are entitled to draw reasonable inferences from such stipulated facts I

But in his argument Judge Cohen attacks some of the very facts to which he

stipulated and he attacks the reasonable inferences drawn from those facts

For example Judge Cohen states on page 2 ofhis response

Attorney Stephen Melnick was notmiddot actively involved in Mardi Levey Cohens judicial candidacy in 2006 He had sent a small check in support and posted a sign at this office (T -159-150 246 14)

The Court in McCloud v Swanson 681 So2d 898 900 (Fla 4th DCA 1996) held In determining the facts the fact-finder may draw reasonable inferences from the evidence Fla Std Jury Instr (Civ) 21) Consequently the reasonable factual deductions drawn from the testimony become positive evidence of those facts within the meaning of Tozir v Jarvis [emphasis in the original]

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Yet Judge Cohen stipulated as follows regarding Mr Melnicks involvement

in his wifes judicial campaign (S-2-3 -r6)

In the Broward County judicial election of 2006 Attorney Stephen Melnick actively supported and worked for the election of Mardi Cohen a candidate for a Broward County circuit judgeship and the wife of Judge Dale C Cohen

On pages 2-7 of his response Judge Cohen argues facts that the

Hearing Panel disregarded rej ected or found immaterial in reaching its

findings and conclusions about Judge Cohen

Judge Cohen takes particular issue (C-6) with the Hearing Panels fact

findings on pages 19-20 of the Hearing Panels Findings and Conclusions

(F-19-20) The Hearing Panels facts found on pages 19-20 consist of the

following facts and reasonable inferences that a fact-fmder is allowed to

draw from those facts

bull [Judge Cohen] made a misplaced personal attack on the character of

Attorney Melnick thinking that Melnick was the source of the

charges and that a good offense was better than simply responding

(F-19) [The Hearing Panel relied upon Judge Cohens own testimony

at pages 611 634-35 and 694 of the transcript Copies of those pages

are attached for the Courts convenience as composite Exhibit A]

bull Judge Cohen exercised poor judgment and acted inappropriately in

calling his wife as a witness at a recusal hearing in which he acted as

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an inquisitor He did so to embarrass and intimate Melnick and to

prevent him from filing more recusal motions reflecting poorly on

Levey Cohen when she was engaged in another election campaign

[The Hearing Panel supports this conclusion by referring to Exhibit

H2 which is the transcript of the 6(b) hearing before the Investigative

Panel Copies of the referenced pages from the transcript are attached

for the Courts convenience as composite Exhibit B]3

bull Assertions that the Cohens had no discussions of Melnicks recusal

motions before the August 6 2009 Gibbs recusal hearing (T -167 -68)

strain credulity particularly in light of the detailed questions and

answers on this subject before the JQC Investigate Committee [The

Hearing Panel supported this finding based upon trial Exhibit H

which is the transcript of Judge Cohens appearance before the JQC

Investigative Committee where Judge Cohen testified under oath

together with pages 657-63 of the trial transcript Copies of these

excerpts of testimony are attached as Composite Exhibit C]

2 In its Findings and Conclusions the Hearing Panel refers to Exhibit D but we believe that this is an error and the reference should be to Exhibit H the transcript of the 6(b) hearing The reference to Exhibit D was to the transcript of the State v Gibbs hearing which was only 18 pages long which has led us to conclude that the reference should be to Exhibit H 3 At Judge Cohens 6(b) hearing before the JQCs Investigative Panel Judge Cohen admitted that he violated the Code (8-6 ~20 8-8 Ex H pp 40-4149-50 and 69) (8ee composite Exhibit D)

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Gibbs and Butler under oath and interrogated them about the recusal

motions filed by Attorney Melnick Judge Cohen may not have

intended to retaliate against Attorney Melnick but these proceedings

had the appearance of impropriety and were used by the Judge to

convey the public impression that his wife was right and Melnick

wrong

Judge Cohen challenges these facts with this argument (C-6)

The facts found on page 19 through 20 of the JQCs Findings Conclusions and Recommendations are argumentative and conclusory and Judge Cohen does not agree to that rendition of the facts Specifically Judge Cohen did not make a misplaced personal attack on Stephen Melnick Judge Cohen did not intend to embarrass and intimidate Melnick to prevent him from filing recusal moti~ns that would reflect poorly on Mardi Levey Cohen

Unfortunately for Judge Cohen the Hearing Panels Findings of Fact

are based upon stipulated evidence together with Judge Cohens own

testimony and admissions That evidence is beyond clear and convincing

These factual conclusions are permissible inferences drawn from the

foregoing clear and convincing evidence

Issue I The Pattern and Practice Issue (C-7)

Judge Cohen advances a contorted argument that the Hearing Panel

was required to find a pattern and practice of wrongdoing and in the

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the Code

This argument falls of its own weight Essentially the JQC alleged

Code violations arising from two separate legal matters State v Gibbs and

State v Butler The Hearing Panel found violations arising from each of

those hearings and also found that it was a violation of the Code for Judge

Cohen to make a personal attack on Attorney Melnick before the

Investigative Panel Those are three separate violations Each stands on its

own That the Hearing Panel did not find that those three separate violations

constituted a pattern and practice does not negate the finding that each of

those findings constituted a separate violation

On page 10 of his reply Judge Cohen argues that the JQC must

prove all elements of an offense or the cause of action There is no cause of

action here Instead facts are alleged and facts are proven and the Hearing

Panel reaches a conclusion as to whether those facts transgress one or more

provisions of the Code Judge Cohens efforts to compare this JQC

proceeding to an ordinary civil or criminal case fails

Issue II - Whether the Hearing Panel Made Factual Findings that Are not Supported by Clear and Convincing Evidence (C-14)

This argument is already refuted above But again the short answer

is that the JQCs findings are based on the parties stipulated facts and

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stipulated documents and on Judge Cohens own sworn testimony and

admissions both before the Investigative Panel and at the trial The

stipulated evidence and the admissions out of the respondents own mouth

clearly exceed the clear and convincing standard and even exceed beyond

a reasonable doubt because the evidence consists of facts the parties agreed

were true and admissions that Judge Cohen made himself under oath On

pages 14-29 of his reply Judge Cohen merely re-argues facts that have

already been found against him based on evidence that is far more

conclusive than evidence that merely meets the clear and convincing

standard

Issue Ill Whether the Court Should Reduce the Sanction to Admonishment Because the Hearing Panel Found no Pattern and

Practice of Misconduct (C-37)

We have already addressed the pattern and practice issue Even

though the Hearing Panel found that the three violations that occurred did

not constitute a pattern and practice of wrongdoing the Panel nevertheless

found three separate serious violations of the Code In recommending a

public reprimand the Hearing Panel found that each of the violations arose

from Judge Cohens use of office in efforts to vindicate his wife (F-2S)

The Pan~l compared Judge Cohens offense to judges using the prestige of

their office to obtain favorable treatment for relatives or friends (F-2S) The

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Panel properly concluded that a public reprimand would be the appropriate

discipline However if the Court is inclined to alter the discipline the Court

should consider whether the discipline should be enhanced to include a

suspension andor a fine because of the unique circumstances of Judge

Cohens violations

CONCLUSION

Judge Cohen admitted under oath that calling his wife as a witness in

a recusal hearing was wrong (S-Ex H ppAO 4149 50 69) As this Court

reiterated in In re Eriksson 36 So3d 580 (Fla 2010) if the Hearing Panels

findings meet the clear and convincing evidentiary test those findings are

of persuasive force and are given great weight by this Court This Court

also pointed out that the JQC is in a position to evaluate the testimony and

evidence first-hand The findings of the Hearing Panel in this matter are

based upon stipulated evidence admissions from Judge Cohen in his sworn

testimony and reasonable inferences drawn from such evidence This Court

should affirm the Hearing Panels Findings and Conclusions

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wife Holding that hearing did not benefit my wife

in any way whatsoever

Q Did it benefit you

A It didnt benefit me It wasnt part of

my thought process The reason I had the hearing

was the reason that I said -- was just trying to

clear things up When I called Melnick in his

office I just said Im just trying to clear

things up I never said anything bad about

Melnick other than when I responded to JQC because

I think there were issues of credibility I think

they had accused me of some very -- they were way

off in their accusations on their notice of

investigation And I just assumed that some of

those accusations came from Melnick And I just

wanted to paint a little better picture for them of

who Mr Melnick is Hes not the height of

credibility I like him Hes not a bad guy You

know socially hes a good guy I cant explain

Professionally I have problems Socially I have

no problem wi th Steve Melnick

Q Anything else you want to tell the panel

A I need a bathroom break

Q And are you feeling okay now

A Yeah

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representing one of these people -- and Im wrong on

this assumption Im just telling you I assumed

that he had some -- someone else was representing

these people and Melnick just came in and got me off

the case

Q Okay So this is your assumption for

which you have not a scintilla of evidence and that

is that Melnick was doing a favor for somebody else

bumping you off the case so that other lawyer could

represent these people before another judge

A That was the only thing I could think of

why he would file a motion to recuse

Q But you dont have an ounce of proof that

that was the case do you

A And it wasnt the case it

Q It wasnt the case

A It wasnt the case

Q Okay

A Im telling you what my thought process

was August of 2009

Q Okay Now we got that cleared up

A One of the lawyers in his office Valerie

Small-Williams and she had been working very hard

to get me off one of her cases but she had no

grounds And I had thought that this was one of

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those cases But I was wrong

Q You were wrong

A I was wrong No question

Q Were admitting on the stand right now

that this is pure speculation on your part and

theres not a bit of truth to it

A Theres no truth to it And that was my

thought process was that he was just trying to get

me off the case for one of his friends but that -shy

that turned out not to be the case

Q All right Judge Cohen can you

understand why a lawyer in the shoes ofmiddot Mr Melnick

who perceives himself as having gotten into an

adversarial relationship with your wife that

involved what he characterizes as a hostile

telephone conversation ending with a hang-up that

he had at least peripheral involvement in a lawsuit

in which your wife was the named defendant and he

was involved in an adversary -- with an adversarial

election person and the lawsuit actually resulted in

your wifes name being stricken from the ballot and

may have cost her the election that that whole

imbroglio might make him wonder if he should be

bringing clients before you her husband for you to

be the judge on it Do you understand how he might

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whether it was made private My question to you

were those photographs sent to the Judicial

Qualifications Investigative Panel for the sole

purpose of trying to persuade them there was

something bad about Melnick and therefore you must

be telling the truth as to how you handled this

matter

A Theres no question that theres some

type of credibility issue Ther~ were allegations

in the notice of investigation that had been made by

Mr Melnick and I wanted the JQC to understand that

it isa credibility i$sue and that your -- number

one I want you to know about my credibility and I

want you to understand about Steve Melnick so you

can make an intelligent decision I obviously

didnt want the JQC to file charges against me I

was put in a position where I had to defend myself

Q Can I assume Judge Cohen as we sit here

now that you understand that the reason for Rule

2330 saying you dont get into the truthfulness or

lack of truthfulness of whats in front of you is so

the public can have confidence that a judge is not

pitting himself or herself against somebody in front

of them

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tbey iere exaggerated And I thought well if

h~~erd my wife he would realize what he was

writing wasnt true and we would get past it

be wouldn t file them anymore and this would

clear it up I thought whatever disagreement

he had I thought if he heard from my wife and

he got to speak that would be it and it would

go

And we actually had the hearing And

heres where Im stupid because I actually

thought after thishearing I thought it was

cleared up But apparently ~ot because he

went to the chief criminal administrative judge

and complained that I had a hearing So I had

a hearing with the chief criminal

administrative judge who told me You cant

have hearings if somebody files a motion to

recuse II

And I told Ilona Holmes thats not what

were taught in judicial college Im going to

get to that argument I do have a right to have

a hearing

In any event once I found out he was

upset I called Melnicks office

apologized I told hirq the only reason that I

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I didnt say one word at that recount I

didnt open my mouth at that recount I was

there to watch and support my wife who was

going through a very difficult time in her

life I mean I dont know if you have any

idea how tough it is to be involved in a

recount I mean it turned into a circus And

she had nobody And I was there at the recount

with her

I did not open my mouth once I didnt

talk to anybody at that recount I was just

physically there with her And thats all I

did

I understand about ~erception I handled

this badly I know I handled this badly I

understand its perception I dont think

legally I did anything wrong and thats why I

gave you the cases Its not - Im not an

expert on the area of disqualification Ive

only filed one motion to disqualify in 20 years

as a lawyer

I know its bad And Ive granted every

single one I just -- and I got frustrated

He carne into court and gave me three at once

and I just wanted to clear it up so that he

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wouldnt file them in the future It really

had nothing to do with my wife it was more

just clearing up steve why are you doing

this Im your friend I dont understand

And thats where I was coming from It

really had nothing to do with my wife

THE CHAIR Dr Haber

Judge Wolf

JUDGE WOLF I cant let a couple of

things go You know you came in here saying

you were trying to hold this hearing SO you

could get over the friendship -- or get your

friendship back with this guy And thats not

true It is directly in conflict with what you

just said I held a hearing to get him t6

stop filing these motions That was the

reason you held this hearing And that is

inappropriate for getting someone to stop

filing motions So youre digging yourself a

bigger grave

THE RESPONDENT Can I respond

JUDGE WOLF No

All I want to -- well Ill let you

respond The reason you held that hearing was

to get him to s~op filing motions wasnt it

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THE RESPONDENT Okay I thought that

the reason he was filing the motions was

because he was afraid that I would retaliate

against him And we were friends and if he

understood that we had a friendship and maybe

he misunderstood what was going on between him

and my wife that he wouldnt -- that it would

be okay

And thats what I thought when I left the

hearing its all cleared up he heard her

side she heard his IIAnd now you dont have

to be afraid that I couldnt be fair in your

case II

I thought that Honestly I -- I dont

have a problem recusing myself on cases I

dont own these cases I have no stake in

these cases I just its just frustrating

when somebodys your friend and thinks that you

cant be fair You know Im sure thats

happened to you And its just frustrating

And I was friends with Steve Melnick so

but youre right I mean I didnt want him

to continually file them But the reason he

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THE RESPONDENT Correct

JUDGE SILBERMAN 3(a) of the code A

judge shall hear -- Im sorry 3(b) (1) A

~udge shall hear and decide matters assigned to

the judge except those in which

disqualification is required

Do you understand that sentence

THE RESPONDENT I do

JUDGE SILBERMAN So why dont you

describe for the commission how those two

provisions fit together and support your

conducting an evidentiary hearing in which your

wife is a witness

THE RESPONDENT It doesnt Although

the only thing I could say is that I did

disqualify myself from the hearing There was

no harm well theres harm to the dommunity

I dont want to say that theres no harm but

I mean but Mr Melnick wanted

disqualification I granted his

disqualification I mean my mi~take obviously

was h~ving the hearing But that doesnt

JPPG~ ~ILBE~~~ Couldn t a p~r$on

looking at this say or conclude that you

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JUDGE SILBERMAN- Andmiddot your reo$middotpon~libility

as a judge is not to put Y01rself or the

judiciary in that position r isnt it

THE RESPONDENT Yes

JUDGE SILBERMAN Why wasmiddot your wifemiddot at

THE RESPONDENT I asked her to be there

JUDGE SILBERMAN So you provided for a

witness to attend an evidentiary hearing that

you were going to conduct

THE RESPONDENT (Moving head up amiddotnd

~UDGE SILBERMAN I canthear you

THEmiddot RESmiddotPO~NDENT Yes Yes

J-UDGE SILBEmiddotR~AN She was nomiddott under

sulgtpoena

THE RESPONDENT No

JUDGE SILBERMAN This is an evidentiary

hearing on a motion to disqualify in the ca~e

of State versus Gibbs Wheres the prosecutor

in this hearing

THE RESPONDENT They were in the

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they were in the courtroom

JUDGE SILBERMAN Did you invite them to

participate

THE RESPONDENT They were just sitting

at the prosecutors table

JUDGE SILBERMAN -Did you ask them if

they had any questions of the witness

THE RESPONDENT No

JUDGE SILBERMAN You start out the

hearing by asking your wife if she had the

opportunity to read the motion Correct

THE RESPONDENT Correct

JUDGE SILBERMAN Mr Melnick then

objects relating that-youre going to have to

make -- if you go forward with the hearing

youre going to be making determinations as to

credibility Correct

THE RESPONDENT Correct

JUDGE SILBERMAN And in fact you asked

questions of your wife Is that correct

THE RESPONDENT Thats correct

JUDGE SILBERMAN You indicated that you

knew you were supposed to recuse in this

matter

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Well can I just -- I knew once I held

the hearing I was required to recuse

didnt -- and I knew that the whole purpose of

having the hearing again was to flush things

out But once I started the hearing I knew I

had to recuse

JUDGE SILBERMAN Was the motion legally

sufficient to require your recusal

THE RESPONDENT No

JUDGE SILBERMAN Why didnt you deny it

THE RESPONDENT At the time I thought

I thought it was legal~y sufficient at the

time I also thought I hadnt done anything

wrong at the time When I got this complaint

the notice of investigation I read the rule of

judicial administration which I wasnt aware

and I saw that I couldnt have the hearing

And I realized at that point that I made a

mistake But then in preparing for this

hearing I did some research Im more

familiar with disqualification now And now my

opinion is that the motion is not legally

sufficient At the time my opinion was that it

was legally sufficient

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concluded it was legally sufficient

THE RESPONDENT (Moving head up and

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JUDGE SILBERMAN I cant hear you

THE RESPONDENT Yes At the time - shy

JUDGE SILBERMAN So why - shy

THE RESPONDENT At the time I thought it

wasmiddotlegally sufficient

JUDGE SILBER~AN I~ you thought it was

legally sufficientwhy didnt you recuse

yourself on the spot

THE RESPONDENT Because I thought that I

had the right to hold a hearing based on the

disqualification disclosure packet from the

judicial college I didnt know that it was

required ~nder the Rule of Judicial

Administratioh I was looking at -- you know~

again Do not hold a hearing because it

doesnt require a hearing which means its

discretionary And then it says If you do

h~ld a hearing you must assume the facts are

true and that just by holding a hearing that

alone will require you to disqualify yourself

And thats why I held the hearing

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JUDGE SILBERMAN Well you said you

believed it to be legally sufficient

THE RESPONDENT Correct

JUDGE SILBERMAN In which case

I dont understand the purpose of the

hearing other than look at page seven 4(a)

Expressing displeasure with attorney for

bringing motion to disqualify may be considered

intimidation

THE RESPONDENT Right I didn t express

any displeasure

JUDGE SILBERMAN Conducting a hearing on

a matter that you already determined required

yoti to disqualify yourself is not intimidation

THE RESPONDENT It could be And I

tried to be -- you have to understand I tried

to be nice to him during this hearing I

wasnt going after him and making him feel bad

because he was filing the motion I was just

~rying to flush otit the facts And I said that

in the hearing Im just trying to flush

everything out so that everybody knows

Because we were friends before we can still be

friends And thats why I did it

I didnt study -- you have to understand

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transcript after theres a dialogue again with

Mr Melnick you then state I dont think I

have to make any kind of ruling as to the

factual dispute Is that correct

THE RESPONDENT Correct

JUDGE SILBERMAN In which case again

there was no legally justifiable purpose for

this hearing Is that correct

THE RESPONDENT Yes Yeah theres no

legalJy justifiable purpose correct It wasmiddot

more a moral thing

JUDGE SILBERMAN I was

THE RESPONDENT It was personal It

wasnt -- but it wasnt personal in a negative

way I wasnt attacking the man I was

friends with the man Its hard to explain

when youre a judge and youre friends with

people and then because of an election that

has nothing to do with you now people are

attacking you

But I realize I had no business holding

that hearing And if it looks like because I

held the hearing that alone is intimidation

that really wasnt -- that thought never

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dont know what else

Q Thats fine Ill -- Ill get you back

to where we want to go

A Okay

Q Now it was a little after noon I

believe you said when you arrived in your husbands

courtroom

A Correct

Q Okay And at about 1230 your husband

adjourned and told everyone to come back at 130

Correct

A Correct

Q Okay And then you went to lunch with

him

A Correct

Q All right Just the two of you at lunchZ

A Right

Q All right And your husband asked you to

return to the courtroom with him at 130 Correct

A No He asked me if I was coming back to

the courthouse And I told him that I had hearing

at 130 And he asked me if when I was done if I

would come back into -- come back to his courtroom

A lot of times he would ask me to do that because

there was maybe a closing argument that he thought I L

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might find interesting or a motion to suppress or

an attorneys arguments are interesting or

whatever -- just for interest So he would let me

know ahead of time And so thats why when he said

you know Will you come back after your hearing I

had agreed I would

Q So during your hour long lunch with your

husband you did not discuss the motion -- the

recusal motion that Mr Melnick had filed in the

Gibbs case

A No

Q No discussion of that whatsoever

A No

Q And you did not -- he did not even tell

you that he was going to -- planning to call you as

a wi tness did he

A No

Q Just came as a total shock to you

A Yes

Q Okay And we do have a transcript I

believe thats in the record here of that and

weve been through that already and I dont need to

belabor that with you All right Now-shy

A Im not sure I understand I just want

to be really clear on everything What do you mean

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the back door because my office would be on the

other side of the back door And when were leaving

the courtroom I just asked her Can you corne back

at 130 She told me she had a hearing with Judge

Gates at 130 and then she said she would corne by

as soon as that hearing with Judge Gates was over

JUDGE MENENDEZ Could I corne back and

ask a question now

THE CHAIR Okay with you

JUDGE WARREN Yeah Go ahead

EXAMINATION

BY JUDGE MENENDEZ

Q Did you have any discussions with your

wife over the fact that this lawyer Mr Melnick

was filing all these motions when he was alleging

that she had threatened him during a phone call

A If I did it would have been -shy

Q At anytime

A a year and a half earlier when he

fir s t f i led it

Q Okay And did that concern her at all

as far as expressing any concern to you about it

A This was a very minor instance Like my

wife said this was like middota meaningless event She

had run two campaigns where theres serious issues

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with serious candidates violating rules that really

needed attention This was -- she called Melnick

up she said You cant have re-elect You

cant ~- you need to say retain He changed it

and that was it I mean Melnick corrected it right

away My wife called him right away and said you

know Youre violating the rules It was

corrected and that was the end of it

Q There was apparently a disagreement at

the hearing between Mr Melnick and your wife where

I thought that her initial testimony at the hearing

before you was that she had called him because there

was a disclaimer missing from some advertisement for

Judge Dijols and then Mr Melnick contradicted her

on that and said No it didnt deal with the

disclaimer It dealt with the re-elect versus

retain

A Exactly The disclaimer on ~very

political advertisement says This ad has been

approved by the candidate This shows that my wife

and I didnt discuss it Because my wife didnt

ev~n get the issue right If I had discussed this

with my wife she would have known what the issue

was and she would have been correct ~n her

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A Melnick was right Hey look you

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Q All right

A But if my wife and I talked about it she

would have gotten it right she came to court and

she had no idea and

Q Well she had some idea didnt she that

you were going

A She knew she was coming to a hearing

Q About the motions to recuse

A About Melnick

Q And his motions to recuse

A Yes

Q Okay You did tell her that ahead of

time In fact Mr Schneider phrased it says We

got another one of those Would you mind coming and

testifying And you said That was probably

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A Well I -- I didnt remember

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A I asked her can you -- can you come

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theres no way she knew because I dont discuss

these things with her I just sign them and go on

I dont give my wife a recount of everything I do

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A Maybe when he first filed it a year and a

half earlier but since then I never

Q Well she was aware that he had accused

her of threatening him in at least one motion to

recuse

A Yeah

Q Okay

A Yeah Yeah

Q And that - - the way Mr Schneider phrased

it he said Was there communication to the fact

that quote unquote weve got another one of

those Would you mind coming to testify

A Well those arent my words Those are

Mr Schneiders

Q They are but you said that was probably

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You know Im doing a hearing on Melnicks motion to

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A I dont think she knew that she was going

to be testifying but she knew she was coming to

court and it was on Melnicks motion

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EXAMINATION

BY MR DUNKINSON

Q I want to continue with that before I ask

my other questions I apologize because Im the

layperson here so I have a lot of -shy

THE CHAIR Mr Catalano has pointed that

out

Q I want to make sure I understand this

because I just -- Im very confused about the

conversation with you and your wife and what the

judges have asked Page 61 this is your quote not

Schneiders I probably told her -- I may have

told her that you know Steves filed a motion to

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conversation are we talking about Is that not the

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A Right That would have been the phone

conversation

Q So at that point which is at your lunch

or before your lunch your wife knew what you were

going to be asking her to do Because you then

say -- or Mr Schneider says on 62 There was a

communication of the fact that quote Weve got

another one of these Would you mind coming to

testify And you again said That was probably

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A I didnt remember specifically what I had

told her I mean if you look at Line 17 on 61 I

say I probably told her and then I say I may have

told her I didnt remember exactly what I told

her I just know that I told her I was doing a

motion to recuse at 130 and if she could come back

and specifically I didnt remember

Q All right So those statements you -shy

are you now saying that those statements are not

correct Is that what youre saying

A No Im saying -shy

Q Are you retracting those

A -- I may have told her I probably -- I

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dont remember specifically Certainly today I

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Q I understand

A But when this happened when I gave this

statement and I think it was November -- yeah

November I wasnt a hundred percent what I told

her August 6th

Q All right Well the only point is you

know in her testimony yesterday as well as yours

both of you denied that you had any conversation

about it

A No I asked her to come back at 130

Q She claimed she knew nothing about what

it was about

A She didnt know I was going to be calling

her as

Q Implied that she did

A -- a witness

THE CHAIR Lets each of you finish

talking and the other can answer

Q All right Question the motion to

recuse again I dont know this but I have a

limited understanding -- can it not be the lawyer

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I didnt study this disquaiification and

disclosure I justwent by what I learned at

judicial college two years earlier You know

I -- its impossible to know everything they

teach you at judicial college They give you

2000 pages worth of material for Session A

they give you 2000 pages of material for

Session B and were going to make mistakes

THE CHAIR I hate to interrupt When

did you go to judicial college

THE RE$PONDENT I went March I guess

2007 and -shy

THE CHAIR Did you just put these in a

closet and not read them

I mean I dont want to hear 2000

pages

Im sorry Judge

JUDGE SILBERMAN As ~e sit heremiddot today

do you agree that you violated Canons 3 3 (b)

the provisions that we went through

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JUDGE SILBERMAN Canon 2(a) A Judge

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JUDGE SILBERMAN Do you believe t~a t

yqur conduct is in violation of Canon 2(a)

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don t believe was on the nmiddototice of

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THE RESPONDENT You know I just -- Im

going to say yes I just -- you know I made

it very careful that I would not -- I didnt

comment on my wifes testimony I didnt say

liMy wife is right and youre wrong I believe

my wife II I just -- I didnt go anywhere near

there I just backed off and said IIIm not

making any rulings Your motions granted

I just tried to clear this matter up We

were friends before And thats what I did

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JUDGE FREEMAN So they were not trying

to participate Right

THE RESPONDENT No No they werent

trying to participate

JUDGE FREEMAN Had the State Attorneys

Office ever request that you have that hearing

THE RESPONDENT No

JUDGE FREEMAN Had the State Attorneys

Office ever objected to the motion to recuse

THE RESPONDENT No

JUDGE FREEMAN Thank you

THE CHAIR Mr Morales

MR MORALES Your Honor one thing

Obviously whats legally sufficient for a

layperson I dont -- Ill leave that to the

judges and the lawyers but the fact that you

happened to go t~lunch with your wife that day

and you said Oh why dont you come on by

Were going to have this little hearing do

you think thats appropriate

THE RESPONDENT I didnt I dont -shy

its not -- the whole thing is not appropriate

The fact that I had the hearing I know is not

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Why dont you come by and testify

THE RESPONDENT No

MR MORALES Okay You thought you

should have had this hearing

THE RESPONDENT At the time yes now

no But-shy

MR MORALES Youre going to take a

li~t~e time the next time and think about what

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THE RESPONDENT It wasnt my intent -shy

you have to understand it wasnt my intent I

wouldnt have called the guy like a couple of

days later and said Im sorry I told him

the whole thing blew up My intent was just to

repair a friendship I just

MR MORALES Repairing your f~iendship

seems to work a lot better when youre sitti~g

down talking to somebody over a cold beer or -shy

either that or just sitting in your chambers

Hey lets talk about this

THE RESPONDENT I know But if it goes

bad then theyre saying youre berating them

in chambers I just should have let it go and

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reason you think it was inappropriate

THE RESPONDENT I do think his motion

was legally insufficient and I should have

just denied it as legally insufficient and

closed the book on that case

JUDGE SILVERNAIL Okay That answers my

questions Thank you

THE RESPONDENT Okay Thank you

THE CHAIR Anybody anything else

Judge do you want to close wrap up

THE RESPONDENT No I -- I do I do

At the time I held the hearing I thought

I had the right to hold the hearing based on my

misinterpretation on what I learned at judge

school I knew that I had to grant the motion

just by the fact that I held the hearing

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still think I could have held the hearing but

for different reasons because the motion was

legally insufficient based on the case law and

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of photographs of Attorney Steve Melnick to embarrass and intimidate Mr

Melnick (F-7) not guilty failing to mention the State v Butler case to the

Investigative Panel at his initial appearance before the Investigative Panel

(F-7) and not guilty of a pattern and practice of wrongdoing (F-8)

Thus the Hearing Panel found Judge Cohen guilty of three separate

violations of the Code but found that these violations did not collectively

constitute a pattern and practice of wrongdoing

ARGUMENT

Although Judge Cohen states that he accepts the JQCs rendition of

facts to the extent that they are non-argumentative and non-conc1usory

(C-I-2) Judge Cohen then launches a serious challenge to the Hearing

Panels findings of fact even challenging facts that the parties agreed to by

stipulation

It is well-settled that a stipulation is binding on the parties and the

court unless it was made because of fraud misrepresentation or mistake

EGYB Inc v First Union Natl Bank ofFla 630 So2d 1216 1217 (Fla 5th

DCA 1994) see also Gunn Plumbing Inc v The Dania Bank 252 So2d 1

(Fla 1971) (holding a proper stipulation is binding of parties courts and

may in some circumstances be recognized in another action or proceeding)

When a case is tried upon stipulated facts the stipulation is binding not only

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upon the parties but also upon the trial and appellate courts and further that

no other or different facts will be presumed to exist Troup v Bird 53

So2d 717 721 (Fla 1951)

The Florida Supreme Court is unable to modify a stipulation between

the JQC and a judge In re Inquiry Concerning Judge Downey III 937

So2d 643 650 (Fla 2006) In cases where a judge admits to wrongdoing

and the JQCs findings are undisputed this Court will ordinarily conclude

that the JQCs findings are supported by clear and convinc~ng evidence

Id citing In re Diaz 908 So2d 334 337 (Fla 2005) We have also

recognized that a judges own admissions of the misconduct and

impropriety of that conduct bolster the JQCs findings which we give great

weight as we consider it recommendation of discipline Id In re Angel

867 So2d 379 382-83 (Fla 2004) In these cases the judge stipulated to

violations of both the charges and the disciplinary action

In In re Graziano 696 So2d 744753 (Fla 1992) the Supreme Court

summarized the entire process of JQC fact-fmding and Supreme Court

reVIew

Before reporting findings of fact to this Court the JQC must conclude that they are established by clear and convincing evidence In re McAllister 646 So2d 173 177 (Fla 1994) This Court must then review the findings and determine whether they meet this quantum of proof a standard which requires more proof than a preponderance of the evidence but

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the less than beyond and to the exclusion of a reasonable doubt In re Davey 645 So2d 398 404 (Fla 1994) If the findings meet this intermediate standard then they are of persuasive force and are given great weight by this Court See In re LaMotte 341 So2d 513 516 (Fla 1977) This is so because the JQC is in a position to evaluate the testimony and evidence first-hand See In re Crewell 379 So2d 107 (Fla 1979) However the ultimate power and responsibility III

making a determination rests with this Court Id

The Parties Stipulation

To facilitate the trial the JQC and Judge Cohen stipulated to ten pages

of facts and to the authenticity of 17 different documents compilations of

documents and transcripts (S-1-10) A fact established by stipulation

achieves a certitude that exceeds beyond a reasonable doubt Tribunals

consider such facts to be absolute and beyond dispute Furthermore fact-

finders are entitled to draw reasonable inferences from such stipulated facts I

But in his argument Judge Cohen attacks some of the very facts to which he

stipulated and he attacks the reasonable inferences drawn from those facts

For example Judge Cohen states on page 2 ofhis response

Attorney Stephen Melnick was notmiddot actively involved in Mardi Levey Cohens judicial candidacy in 2006 He had sent a small check in support and posted a sign at this office (T -159-150 246 14)

The Court in McCloud v Swanson 681 So2d 898 900 (Fla 4th DCA 1996) held In determining the facts the fact-finder may draw reasonable inferences from the evidence Fla Std Jury Instr (Civ) 21) Consequently the reasonable factual deductions drawn from the testimony become positive evidence of those facts within the meaning of Tozir v Jarvis [emphasis in the original]

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Yet Judge Cohen stipulated as follows regarding Mr Melnicks involvement

in his wifes judicial campaign (S-2-3 -r6)

In the Broward County judicial election of 2006 Attorney Stephen Melnick actively supported and worked for the election of Mardi Cohen a candidate for a Broward County circuit judgeship and the wife of Judge Dale C Cohen

On pages 2-7 of his response Judge Cohen argues facts that the

Hearing Panel disregarded rej ected or found immaterial in reaching its

findings and conclusions about Judge Cohen

Judge Cohen takes particular issue (C-6) with the Hearing Panels fact

findings on pages 19-20 of the Hearing Panels Findings and Conclusions

(F-19-20) The Hearing Panels facts found on pages 19-20 consist of the

following facts and reasonable inferences that a fact-fmder is allowed to

draw from those facts

bull [Judge Cohen] made a misplaced personal attack on the character of

Attorney Melnick thinking that Melnick was the source of the

charges and that a good offense was better than simply responding

(F-19) [The Hearing Panel relied upon Judge Cohens own testimony

at pages 611 634-35 and 694 of the transcript Copies of those pages

are attached for the Courts convenience as composite Exhibit A]

bull Judge Cohen exercised poor judgment and acted inappropriately in

calling his wife as a witness at a recusal hearing in which he acted as

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an inquisitor He did so to embarrass and intimate Melnick and to

prevent him from filing more recusal motions reflecting poorly on

Levey Cohen when she was engaged in another election campaign

[The Hearing Panel supports this conclusion by referring to Exhibit

H2 which is the transcript of the 6(b) hearing before the Investigative

Panel Copies of the referenced pages from the transcript are attached

for the Courts convenience as composite Exhibit B]3

bull Assertions that the Cohens had no discussions of Melnicks recusal

motions before the August 6 2009 Gibbs recusal hearing (T -167 -68)

strain credulity particularly in light of the detailed questions and

answers on this subject before the JQC Investigate Committee [The

Hearing Panel supported this finding based upon trial Exhibit H

which is the transcript of Judge Cohens appearance before the JQC

Investigative Committee where Judge Cohen testified under oath

together with pages 657-63 of the trial transcript Copies of these

excerpts of testimony are attached as Composite Exhibit C]

2 In its Findings and Conclusions the Hearing Panel refers to Exhibit D but we believe that this is an error and the reference should be to Exhibit H the transcript of the 6(b) hearing The reference to Exhibit D was to the transcript of the State v Gibbs hearing which was only 18 pages long which has led us to conclude that the reference should be to Exhibit H 3 At Judge Cohens 6(b) hearing before the JQCs Investigative Panel Judge Cohen admitted that he violated the Code (8-6 ~20 8-8 Ex H pp 40-4149-50 and 69) (8ee composite Exhibit D)

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Gibbs and Butler under oath and interrogated them about the recusal

motions filed by Attorney Melnick Judge Cohen may not have

intended to retaliate against Attorney Melnick but these proceedings

had the appearance of impropriety and were used by the Judge to

convey the public impression that his wife was right and Melnick

wrong

Judge Cohen challenges these facts with this argument (C-6)

The facts found on page 19 through 20 of the JQCs Findings Conclusions and Recommendations are argumentative and conclusory and Judge Cohen does not agree to that rendition of the facts Specifically Judge Cohen did not make a misplaced personal attack on Stephen Melnick Judge Cohen did not intend to embarrass and intimidate Melnick to prevent him from filing recusal moti~ns that would reflect poorly on Mardi Levey Cohen

Unfortunately for Judge Cohen the Hearing Panels Findings of Fact

are based upon stipulated evidence together with Judge Cohens own

testimony and admissions That evidence is beyond clear and convincing

These factual conclusions are permissible inferences drawn from the

foregoing clear and convincing evidence

Issue I The Pattern and Practice Issue (C-7)

Judge Cohen advances a contorted argument that the Hearing Panel

was required to find a pattern and practice of wrongdoing and in the

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absence of such a finding there can be no finding that Judge Cohen violated

the Code

This argument falls of its own weight Essentially the JQC alleged

Code violations arising from two separate legal matters State v Gibbs and

State v Butler The Hearing Panel found violations arising from each of

those hearings and also found that it was a violation of the Code for Judge

Cohen to make a personal attack on Attorney Melnick before the

Investigative Panel Those are three separate violations Each stands on its

own That the Hearing Panel did not find that those three separate violations

constituted a pattern and practice does not negate the finding that each of

those findings constituted a separate violation

On page 10 of his reply Judge Cohen argues that the JQC must

prove all elements of an offense or the cause of action There is no cause of

action here Instead facts are alleged and facts are proven and the Hearing

Panel reaches a conclusion as to whether those facts transgress one or more

provisions of the Code Judge Cohens efforts to compare this JQC

proceeding to an ordinary civil or criminal case fails

Issue II - Whether the Hearing Panel Made Factual Findings that Are not Supported by Clear and Convincing Evidence (C-14)

This argument is already refuted above But again the short answer

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stipulated documents and on Judge Cohens own sworn testimony and

admissions both before the Investigative Panel and at the trial The

stipulated evidence and the admissions out of the respondents own mouth

clearly exceed the clear and convincing standard and even exceed beyond

a reasonable doubt because the evidence consists of facts the parties agreed

were true and admissions that Judge Cohen made himself under oath On

pages 14-29 of his reply Judge Cohen merely re-argues facts that have

already been found against him based on evidence that is far more

conclusive than evidence that merely meets the clear and convincing

standard

Issue Ill Whether the Court Should Reduce the Sanction to Admonishment Because the Hearing Panel Found no Pattern and

Practice of Misconduct (C-37)

We have already addressed the pattern and practice issue Even

though the Hearing Panel found that the three violations that occurred did

not constitute a pattern and practice of wrongdoing the Panel nevertheless

found three separate serious violations of the Code In recommending a

public reprimand the Hearing Panel found that each of the violations arose

from Judge Cohens use of office in efforts to vindicate his wife (F-2S)

The Pan~l compared Judge Cohens offense to judges using the prestige of

their office to obtain favorable treatment for relatives or friends (F-2S) The

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Panel properly concluded that a public reprimand would be the appropriate

discipline However if the Court is inclined to alter the discipline the Court

should consider whether the discipline should be enhanced to include a

suspension andor a fine because of the unique circumstances of Judge

Cohens violations

CONCLUSION

Judge Cohen admitted under oath that calling his wife as a witness in

a recusal hearing was wrong (S-Ex H ppAO 4149 50 69) As this Court

reiterated in In re Eriksson 36 So3d 580 (Fla 2010) if the Hearing Panels

findings meet the clear and convincing evidentiary test those findings are

of persuasive force and are given great weight by this Court This Court

also pointed out that the JQC is in a position to evaluate the testimony and

evidence first-hand The findings of the Hearing Panel in this matter are

based upon stipulated evidence admissions from Judge Cohen in his sworn

testimony and reasonable inferences drawn from such evidence This Court

should affirm the Hearing Panels Findings and Conclusions

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wife Holding that hearing did not benefit my wife

in any way whatsoever

Q Did it benefit you

A It didnt benefit me It wasnt part of

my thought process The reason I had the hearing

was the reason that I said -- was just trying to

clear things up When I called Melnick in his

office I just said Im just trying to clear

things up I never said anything bad about

Melnick other than when I responded to JQC because

I think there were issues of credibility I think

they had accused me of some very -- they were way

off in their accusations on their notice of

investigation And I just assumed that some of

those accusations came from Melnick And I just

wanted to paint a little better picture for them of

who Mr Melnick is Hes not the height of

credibility I like him Hes not a bad guy You

know socially hes a good guy I cant explain

Professionally I have problems Socially I have

no problem wi th Steve Melnick

Q Anything else you want to tell the panel

A I need a bathroom break

Q And are you feeling okay now

A Yeah

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representing one of these people -- and Im wrong on

this assumption Im just telling you I assumed

that he had some -- someone else was representing

these people and Melnick just came in and got me off

the case

Q Okay So this is your assumption for

which you have not a scintilla of evidence and that

is that Melnick was doing a favor for somebody else

bumping you off the case so that other lawyer could

represent these people before another judge

A That was the only thing I could think of

why he would file a motion to recuse

Q But you dont have an ounce of proof that

that was the case do you

A And it wasnt the case it

Q It wasnt the case

A It wasnt the case

Q Okay

A Im telling you what my thought process

was August of 2009

Q Okay Now we got that cleared up

A One of the lawyers in his office Valerie

Small-Williams and she had been working very hard

to get me off one of her cases but she had no

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Q You were wrong

A I was wrong No question

Q Were admitting on the stand right now

that this is pure speculation on your part and

theres not a bit of truth to it

A Theres no truth to it And that was my

thought process was that he was just trying to get

me off the case for one of his friends but that -shy

that turned out not to be the case

Q All right Judge Cohen can you

understand why a lawyer in the shoes ofmiddot Mr Melnick

who perceives himself as having gotten into an

adversarial relationship with your wife that

involved what he characterizes as a hostile

telephone conversation ending with a hang-up that

he had at least peripheral involvement in a lawsuit

in which your wife was the named defendant and he

was involved in an adversary -- with an adversarial

election person and the lawsuit actually resulted in

your wifes name being stricken from the ballot and

may have cost her the election that that whole

imbroglio might make him wonder if he should be

bringing clients before you her husband for you to

be the judge on it Do you understand how he might

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whether it was made private My question to you

were those photographs sent to the Judicial

Qualifications Investigative Panel for the sole

purpose of trying to persuade them there was

something bad about Melnick and therefore you must

be telling the truth as to how you handled this

matter

A Theres no question that theres some

type of credibility issue Ther~ were allegations

in the notice of investigation that had been made by

Mr Melnick and I wanted the JQC to understand that

it isa credibility i$sue and that your -- number

one I want you to know about my credibility and I

want you to understand about Steve Melnick so you

can make an intelligent decision I obviously

didnt want the JQC to file charges against me I

was put in a position where I had to defend myself

Q Can I assume Judge Cohen as we sit here

now that you understand that the reason for Rule

2330 saying you dont get into the truthfulness or

lack of truthfulness of whats in front of you is so

the public can have confidence that a judge is not

pitting himself or herself against somebody in front

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writing wasnt true and we would get past it

be wouldn t file them anymore and this would

clear it up I thought whatever disagreement

he had I thought if he heard from my wife and

he got to speak that would be it and it would

go

And we actually had the hearing And

heres where Im stupid because I actually

thought after thishearing I thought it was

cleared up But apparently ~ot because he

went to the chief criminal administrative judge

and complained that I had a hearing So I had

a hearing with the chief criminal

administrative judge who told me You cant

have hearings if somebody files a motion to

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And I told Ilona Holmes thats not what

were taught in judicial college Im going to

get to that argument I do have a right to have

a hearing

In any event once I found out he was

upset I called Melnicks office

apologized I told hirq the only reason that I

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I didnt say one word at that recount I

didnt open my mouth at that recount I was

there to watch and support my wife who was

going through a very difficult time in her

life I mean I dont know if you have any

idea how tough it is to be involved in a

recount I mean it turned into a circus And

she had nobody And I was there at the recount

with her

I did not open my mouth once I didnt

talk to anybody at that recount I was just

physically there with her And thats all I

did

I understand about ~erception I handled

this badly I know I handled this badly I

understand its perception I dont think

legally I did anything wrong and thats why I

gave you the cases Its not - Im not an

expert on the area of disqualification Ive

only filed one motion to disqualify in 20 years

as a lawyer

I know its bad And Ive granted every

single one I just -- and I got frustrated

He carne into court and gave me three at once

and I just wanted to clear it up so that he

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wouldnt file them in the future It really

had nothing to do with my wife it was more

just clearing up steve why are you doing

this Im your friend I dont understand

And thats where I was coming from It

really had nothing to do with my wife

THE CHAIR Dr Haber

Judge Wolf

JUDGE WOLF I cant let a couple of

things go You know you came in here saying

you were trying to hold this hearing SO you

could get over the friendship -- or get your

friendship back with this guy And thats not

true It is directly in conflict with what you

just said I held a hearing to get him t6

stop filing these motions That was the

reason you held this hearing And that is

inappropriate for getting someone to stop

filing motions So youre digging yourself a

bigger grave

THE RESPONDENT Can I respond

JUDGE WOLF No

All I want to -- well Ill let you

respond The reason you held that hearing was

to get him to s~op filing motions wasnt it

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THE RESPONDENT Okay I thought that

the reason he was filing the motions was

because he was afraid that I would retaliate

against him And we were friends and if he

understood that we had a friendship and maybe

he misunderstood what was going on between him

and my wife that he wouldnt -- that it would

be okay

And thats what I thought when I left the

hearing its all cleared up he heard her

side she heard his IIAnd now you dont have

to be afraid that I couldnt be fair in your

case II

I thought that Honestly I -- I dont

have a problem recusing myself on cases I

dont own these cases I have no stake in

these cases I just its just frustrating

when somebodys your friend and thinks that you

cant be fair You know Im sure thats

happened to you And its just frustrating

And I was friends with Steve Melnick so

but youre right I mean I didnt want him

to continually file them But the reason he

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THE RESPONDENT Correct

JUDGE SILBERMAN 3(a) of the code A

judge shall hear -- Im sorry 3(b) (1) A

~udge shall hear and decide matters assigned to

the judge except those in which

disqualification is required

Do you understand that sentence

THE RESPONDENT I do

JUDGE SILBERMAN So why dont you

describe for the commission how those two

provisions fit together and support your

conducting an evidentiary hearing in which your

wife is a witness

THE RESPONDENT It doesnt Although

the only thing I could say is that I did

disqualify myself from the hearing There was

no harm well theres harm to the dommunity

I dont want to say that theres no harm but

I mean but Mr Melnick wanted

disqualification I granted his

disqualification I mean my mi~take obviously

was h~ving the hearing But that doesnt

JPPG~ ~ILBE~~~ Couldn t a p~r$on

looking at this say or conclude that you

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telling you that -shy

JUDGE SILBERMAN- Andmiddot your reo$middotpon~libility

as a judge is not to put Y01rself or the

judiciary in that position r isnt it

THE RESPONDENT Yes

JUDGE SILBERMAN Why wasmiddot your wifemiddot at

THE RESPONDENT I asked her to be there

JUDGE SILBERMAN So you provided for a

witness to attend an evidentiary hearing that

you were going to conduct

THE RESPONDENT (Moving head up amiddotnd

~UDGE SILBERMAN I canthear you

THEmiddot RESmiddotPO~NDENT Yes Yes

J-UDGE SILBEmiddotR~AN She was nomiddott under

sulgtpoena

THE RESPONDENT No

JUDGE SILBERMAN This is an evidentiary

hearing on a motion to disqualify in the ca~e

of State versus Gibbs Wheres the prosecutor

in this hearing

THE RESPONDENT They were in the

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courtroom They might not have announced but

they were in the courtroom

JUDGE SILBERMAN Did you invite them to

participate

THE RESPONDENT They were just sitting

at the prosecutors table

JUDGE SILBERMAN -Did you ask them if

they had any questions of the witness

THE RESPONDENT No

JUDGE SILBERMAN You start out the

hearing by asking your wife if she had the

opportunity to read the motion Correct

THE RESPONDENT Correct

JUDGE SILBERMAN Mr Melnick then

objects relating that-youre going to have to

make -- if you go forward with the hearing

youre going to be making determinations as to

credibility Correct

THE RESPONDENT Correct

JUDGE SILBERMAN And in fact you asked

questions of your wife Is that correct

THE RESPONDENT Thats correct

JUDGE SILBERMAN You indicated that you

knew you were supposed to recuse in this

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THE RESPONDENT correct

Well can I just -- I knew once I held

the hearing I was required to recuse

didnt -- and I knew that the whole purpose of

having the hearing again was to flush things

out But once I started the hearing I knew I

had to recuse

JUDGE SILBERMAN Was the motion legally

sufficient to require your recusal

THE RESPONDENT No

JUDGE SILBERMAN Why didnt you deny it

THE RESPONDENT At the time I thought

I thought it was legal~y sufficient at the

time I also thought I hadnt done anything

wrong at the time When I got this complaint

the notice of investigation I read the rule of

judicial administration which I wasnt aware

and I saw that I couldnt have the hearing

And I realized at that point that I made a

mistake But then in preparing for this

hearing I did some research Im more

familiar with disqualification now And now my

opinion is that the motion is not legally

sufficient At the time my opinion was that it

was legally sufficient

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THE RESPONDENT (Moving head up and

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JUDGE SILBERMAN I cant hear you

THE RESPONDENT Yes At the time - shy

JUDGE SILBERMAN So why - shy

THE RESPONDENT At the time I thought it

wasmiddotlegally sufficient

JUDGE SILBER~AN I~ you thought it was

legally sufficientwhy didnt you recuse

yourself on the spot

THE RESPONDENT Because I thought that I

had the right to hold a hearing based on the

disqualification disclosure packet from the

judicial college I didnt know that it was

required ~nder the Rule of Judicial

Administratioh I was looking at -- you know~

again Do not hold a hearing because it

doesnt require a hearing which means its

discretionary And then it says If you do

h~ld a hearing you must assume the facts are

true and that just by holding a hearing that

alone will require you to disqualify yourself

And thats why I held the hearing

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JUDGE SILBERMAN Well you said you

believed it to be legally sufficient

THE RESPONDENT Correct

JUDGE SILBERMAN In which case

I dont understand the purpose of the

hearing other than look at page seven 4(a)

Expressing displeasure with attorney for

bringing motion to disqualify may be considered

intimidation

THE RESPONDENT Right I didn t express

any displeasure

JUDGE SILBERMAN Conducting a hearing on

a matter that you already determined required

yoti to disqualify yourself is not intimidation

THE RESPONDENT It could be And I

tried to be -- you have to understand I tried

to be nice to him during this hearing I

wasnt going after him and making him feel bad

because he was filing the motion I was just

~rying to flush otit the facts And I said that

in the hearing Im just trying to flush

everything out so that everybody knows

Because we were friends before we can still be

friends And thats why I did it

I didnt study -- you have to understand

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JUDGE SILBERMAN On page 13 of the

transcript after theres a dialogue again with

Mr Melnick you then state I dont think I

have to make any kind of ruling as to the

factual dispute Is that correct

THE RESPONDENT Correct

JUDGE SILBERMAN In which case again

there was no legally justifiable purpose for

this hearing Is that correct

THE RESPONDENT Yes Yeah theres no

legalJy justifiable purpose correct It wasmiddot

more a moral thing

JUDGE SILBERMAN I was

THE RESPONDENT It was personal It

wasnt -- but it wasnt personal in a negative

way I wasnt attacking the man I was

friends with the man Its hard to explain

when youre a judge and youre friends with

people and then because of an election that

has nothing to do with you now people are

attacking you

But I realize I had no business holding

that hearing And if it looks like because I

held the hearing that alone is intimidation

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dont know what else

Q Thats fine Ill -- Ill get you back

to where we want to go

A Okay

Q Now it was a little after noon I

believe you said when you arrived in your husbands

courtroom

A Correct

Q Okay And at about 1230 your husband

adjourned and told everyone to come back at 130

Correct

A Correct

Q Okay And then you went to lunch with

him

A Correct

Q All right Just the two of you at lunchZ

A Right

Q All right And your husband asked you to

return to the courtroom with him at 130 Correct

A No He asked me if I was coming back to

the courthouse And I told him that I had hearing

at 130 And he asked me if when I was done if I

would come back into -- come back to his courtroom

A lot of times he would ask me to do that because

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might find interesting or a motion to suppress or

an attorneys arguments are interesting or

whatever -- just for interest So he would let me

know ahead of time And so thats why when he said

you know Will you come back after your hearing I

had agreed I would

Q So during your hour long lunch with your

husband you did not discuss the motion -- the

recusal motion that Mr Melnick had filed in the

Gibbs case

A No

Q No discussion of that whatsoever

A No

Q And you did not -- he did not even tell

you that he was going to -- planning to call you as

a wi tness did he

A No

Q Just came as a total shock to you

A Yes

Q Okay And we do have a transcript I

believe thats in the record here of that and

weve been through that already and I dont need to

belabor that with you All right Now-shy

A Im not sure I understand I just want

to be really clear on everything What do you mean

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the back door because my office would be on the

other side of the back door And when were leaving

the courtroom I just asked her Can you corne back

at 130 She told me she had a hearing with Judge

Gates at 130 and then she said she would corne by

as soon as that hearing with Judge Gates was over

JUDGE MENENDEZ Could I corne back and

ask a question now

THE CHAIR Okay with you

JUDGE WARREN Yeah Go ahead

EXAMINATION

BY JUDGE MENENDEZ

Q Did you have any discussions with your

wife over the fact that this lawyer Mr Melnick

was filing all these motions when he was alleging

that she had threatened him during a phone call

A If I did it would have been -shy

Q At anytime

A a year and a half earlier when he

fir s t f i led it

Q Okay And did that concern her at all

as far as expressing any concern to you about it

A This was a very minor instance Like my

wife said this was like middota meaningless event She

had run two campaigns where theres serious issues

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with serious candidates violating rules that really

needed attention This was -- she called Melnick

up she said You cant have re-elect You

cant ~- you need to say retain He changed it

and that was it I mean Melnick corrected it right

away My wife called him right away and said you

know Youre violating the rules It was

corrected and that was the end of it

Q There was apparently a disagreement at

the hearing between Mr Melnick and your wife where

I thought that her initial testimony at the hearing

before you was that she had called him because there

was a disclaimer missing from some advertisement for

Judge Dijols and then Mr Melnick contradicted her

on that and said No it didnt deal with the

disclaimer It dealt with the re-elect versus

retain

A Exactly The disclaimer on ~very

political advertisement says This ad has been

approved by the candidate This shows that my wife

and I didnt discuss it Because my wife didnt

ev~n get the issue right If I had discussed this

with my wife she would have known what the issue

was and she would have been correct ~n her

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Q So you credited Mr Melnicks credibility

rather than hers

A Melnick was right Hey look you

know

Q All right

A But if my wife and I talked about it she

would have gotten it right she came to court and

she had no idea and

Q Well she had some idea didnt she that

you were going

A She knew she was coming to a hearing

Q About the motions to recuse

A About Melnick

Q And his motions to recuse

A Yes

Q Okay You did tell her that ahead of

time In fact Mr Schneider phrased it says We

got another one of those Would you mind coming and

testifying And you said That was probably

exactly what was said

A Well I -- I didnt remember

QPage 62

A I asked her can you -- can you come

back I dont know that my wife knew that Melnick

had filed -- theres no way she didnt know

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theres no way she knew because I dont discuss

these things with her I just sign them and go on

I dont give my wife a recount of everything I do

every day

Q I thought a minute ago you said you had

some discussions with her -shy

A Maybe when he first filed it a year and a

half earlier but since then I never

Q Well she was aware that he had accused

her of threatening him in at least one motion to

recuse

A Yeah

Q Okay

A Yeah Yeah

Q And that - - the way Mr Schneider phrased

it he said Was there communication to the fact

that quote unquote weve got another one of

those Would you mind coming to testify

A Well those arent my words Those are

Mr Schneiders

Q They are but you said that was probably

exactly what was said

A The substance You know its -- I -- I

dont know

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A Those arent my words I mean I dont

use those words But I said Can you come back

You know Im doing a hearing on Melnicks motion to

recuse

Q But you did ask her to come to court and

she did know that she was coming to court to talk

about the motion

A I dont think she knew that she was going

to be testifying but she knew she was coming to

court and it was on Melnicks motion

JUDGE WARREN Nothing r

EXAMINATION

BY MR DUNKINSON

Q I want to continue with that before I ask

my other questions I apologize because Im the

layperson here so I have a lot of -shy

THE CHAIR Mr Catalano has pointed that

out

Q I want to make sure I understand this

because I just -- Im very confused about the

conversation with you and your wife and what the

judges have asked Page 61 this is your quote not

Schneiders I probably told her -- I may have

told her that you know Steves filed a motion to

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conversation are we talking about Is that not the

phone conversation that were talking about

A Right That would have been the phone

conversation

Q So at that point which is at your lunch

or before your lunch your wife knew what you were

going to be asking her to do Because you then

say -- or Mr Schneider says on 62 There was a

communication of the fact that quote Weve got

another one of these Would you mind coming to

testify And you again said That was probably

exactly what was saiq

A I didnt remember specifically what I had

told her I mean if you look at Line 17 on 61 I

say I probably told her and then I say I may have

told her I didnt remember exactly what I told

her I just know that I told her I was doing a

motion to recuse at 130 and if she could come back

and specifically I didnt remember

Q All right So those statements you -shy

are you now saying that those statements are not

correct Is that what youre saying

A No Im saying -shy

Q Are you retracting those

A -- I may have told her I probably -- I

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dont remember specifically Certainly today I

dont remember specifically what I told her a year

and a half ago

Q I understand

A But when this happened when I gave this

statement and I think it was November -- yeah

November I wasnt a hundred percent what I told

her August 6th

Q All right Well the only point is you

know in her testimony yesterday as well as yours

both of you denied that you had any conversation

about it

A No I asked her to come back at 130

Q She claimed she knew nothing about what

it was about

A She didnt know I was going to be calling

her as

Q Implied that she did

A -- a witness

THE CHAIR Lets each of you finish

talking and the other can answer

Q All right Question the motion to

recuse again I dont know this but I have a

limited understanding -- can it not be the lawyer

that has an issue with you in addition to the

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I didnt study this disquaiification and

disclosure I justwent by what I learned at

judicial college two years earlier You know

I -- its impossible to know everything they

teach you at judicial college They give you

2000 pages worth of material for Session A

they give you 2000 pages of material for

Session B and were going to make mistakes

THE CHAIR I hate to interrupt When

did you go to judicial college

THE RE$PONDENT I went March I guess

2007 and -shy

THE CHAIR Did you just put these in a

closet and not read them

I mean I dont want to hear 2000

pages

Im sorry Judge

JUDGE SILBERMAN As ~e sit heremiddot today

do you agree that you violated Canons 3 3 (b)

the provisions that we went through

THE RESPONDENT Ye~

JUDGE SILBERMAN Canon 2(a) A Judge

sha-lmiddotl relJpect and aomply wi-th the Lawmiddot and sha]l

public conpoundidence and the integrity and ~

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JUDGE SILBERMAN Do you believe t~a t

yqur conduct is in violation of Canon 2(a)

THE RESPONDENT yemiddots bull

don t believe was on the nmiddototice of

investigation but I do think it s pertinent i

UA judge smiddothall not allow f amily smiddotocial

pcgtlitical or other relationshipmiddotsmiddot to influente

t~e judges judicial conduct or judgmenmiddott II

Do you think that someone cmiddotould look at

Y9u r conduct and say 11 Sounds like there s a

pzolgtlem with 2 (b) as wellmiddot II

THE RESPONDENT You know I just -- Im

going to say yes I just -- you know I made

it very careful that I would not -- I didnt

comment on my wifes testimony I didnt say

liMy wife is right and youre wrong I believe

my wife II I just -- I didnt go anywhere near

there I just backed off and said IIIm not

making any rulings Your motions granted

I just tried to clear this matter up We

were friends before And thats what I did

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JUDGE FREEMAN So they were not trying

to participate Right

THE RESPONDENT No No they werent

trying to participate

JUDGE FREEMAN Had the State Attorneys

Office ever request that you have that hearing

THE RESPONDENT No

JUDGE FREEMAN Had the State Attorneys

Office ever objected to the motion to recuse

THE RESPONDENT No

JUDGE FREEMAN Thank you

THE CHAIR Mr Morales

MR MORALES Your Honor one thing

Obviously whats legally sufficient for a

layperson I dont -- Ill leave that to the

judges and the lawyers but the fact that you

happened to go t~lunch with your wife that day

and you said Oh why dont you come on by

Were going to have this little hearing do

you think thats appropriate

THE RESPONDENT I didnt I dont -shy

its not -- the whole thing is not appropriate

The fact that I had the hearing I know is not

appropriate Probably not

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Hey Im going to have a hearing after lunch

Why dont you come by and testify

THE RESPONDENT No

MR MORALES Okay You thought you

should have had this hearing

THE RESPONDENT At the time yes now

no But-shy

MR MORALES Youre going to take a

li~t~e time the next time and think about what

youre doing

THE RESPONDENT It wasnt my intent -shy

you have to understand it wasnt my intent I

wouldnt have called the guy like a couple of

days later and said Im sorry I told him

the whole thing blew up My intent was just to

repair a friendship I just

MR MORALES Repairing your f~iendship

seems to work a lot better when youre sitti~g

down talking to somebody over a cold beer or -shy

either that or just sitting in your chambers

Hey lets talk about this

THE RESPONDENT I know But if it goes

bad then theyre saying youre berating them

in chambers I just should have let it go and

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JUDGE SILVERNAIL Well is that the only

reason you think it was inappropriate

THE RESPONDENT I do think his motion

was legally insufficient and I should have

just denied it as legally insufficient and

closed the book on that case

JUDGE SILVERNAIL Okay That answers my

questions Thank you

THE RESPONDENT Okay Thank you

THE CHAIR Anybody anything else

Judge do you want to close wrap up

THE RESPONDENT No I -- I do I do

At the time I held the hearing I thought

I had the right to hold the hearing based on my

misinterpretation on what I learned at judge

school I knew that I had to grant the motion

just by the fact that I held the hearing

When I came in her~ today I legally

still think I could have held the hearing but

for different reasons because the motion was

legally insufficient based on the case law and

the research that Ive done I didnt think

about the questions that you all have posed me

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upon the parties but also upon the trial and appellate courts and further that

no other or different facts will be presumed to exist Troup v Bird 53

So2d 717 721 (Fla 1951)

The Florida Supreme Court is unable to modify a stipulation between

the JQC and a judge In re Inquiry Concerning Judge Downey III 937

So2d 643 650 (Fla 2006) In cases where a judge admits to wrongdoing

and the JQCs findings are undisputed this Court will ordinarily conclude

that the JQCs findings are supported by clear and convinc~ng evidence

Id citing In re Diaz 908 So2d 334 337 (Fla 2005) We have also

recognized that a judges own admissions of the misconduct and

impropriety of that conduct bolster the JQCs findings which we give great

weight as we consider it recommendation of discipline Id In re Angel

867 So2d 379 382-83 (Fla 2004) In these cases the judge stipulated to

violations of both the charges and the disciplinary action

In In re Graziano 696 So2d 744753 (Fla 1992) the Supreme Court

summarized the entire process of JQC fact-fmding and Supreme Court

reVIew

Before reporting findings of fact to this Court the JQC must conclude that they are established by clear and convincing evidence In re McAllister 646 So2d 173 177 (Fla 1994) This Court must then review the findings and determine whether they meet this quantum of proof a standard which requires more proof than a preponderance of the evidence but

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the less than beyond and to the exclusion of a reasonable doubt In re Davey 645 So2d 398 404 (Fla 1994) If the findings meet this intermediate standard then they are of persuasive force and are given great weight by this Court See In re LaMotte 341 So2d 513 516 (Fla 1977) This is so because the JQC is in a position to evaluate the testimony and evidence first-hand See In re Crewell 379 So2d 107 (Fla 1979) However the ultimate power and responsibility III

making a determination rests with this Court Id

The Parties Stipulation

To facilitate the trial the JQC and Judge Cohen stipulated to ten pages

of facts and to the authenticity of 17 different documents compilations of

documents and transcripts (S-1-10) A fact established by stipulation

achieves a certitude that exceeds beyond a reasonable doubt Tribunals

consider such facts to be absolute and beyond dispute Furthermore fact-

finders are entitled to draw reasonable inferences from such stipulated facts I

But in his argument Judge Cohen attacks some of the very facts to which he

stipulated and he attacks the reasonable inferences drawn from those facts

For example Judge Cohen states on page 2 ofhis response

Attorney Stephen Melnick was notmiddot actively involved in Mardi Levey Cohens judicial candidacy in 2006 He had sent a small check in support and posted a sign at this office (T -159-150 246 14)

The Court in McCloud v Swanson 681 So2d 898 900 (Fla 4th DCA 1996) held In determining the facts the fact-finder may draw reasonable inferences from the evidence Fla Std Jury Instr (Civ) 21) Consequently the reasonable factual deductions drawn from the testimony become positive evidence of those facts within the meaning of Tozir v Jarvis [emphasis in the original]

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Yet Judge Cohen stipulated as follows regarding Mr Melnicks involvement

in his wifes judicial campaign (S-2-3 -r6)

In the Broward County judicial election of 2006 Attorney Stephen Melnick actively supported and worked for the election of Mardi Cohen a candidate for a Broward County circuit judgeship and the wife of Judge Dale C Cohen

On pages 2-7 of his response Judge Cohen argues facts that the

Hearing Panel disregarded rej ected or found immaterial in reaching its

findings and conclusions about Judge Cohen

Judge Cohen takes particular issue (C-6) with the Hearing Panels fact

findings on pages 19-20 of the Hearing Panels Findings and Conclusions

(F-19-20) The Hearing Panels facts found on pages 19-20 consist of the

following facts and reasonable inferences that a fact-fmder is allowed to

draw from those facts

bull [Judge Cohen] made a misplaced personal attack on the character of

Attorney Melnick thinking that Melnick was the source of the

charges and that a good offense was better than simply responding

(F-19) [The Hearing Panel relied upon Judge Cohens own testimony

at pages 611 634-35 and 694 of the transcript Copies of those pages

are attached for the Courts convenience as composite Exhibit A]

bull Judge Cohen exercised poor judgment and acted inappropriately in

calling his wife as a witness at a recusal hearing in which he acted as

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an inquisitor He did so to embarrass and intimate Melnick and to

prevent him from filing more recusal motions reflecting poorly on

Levey Cohen when she was engaged in another election campaign

[The Hearing Panel supports this conclusion by referring to Exhibit

H2 which is the transcript of the 6(b) hearing before the Investigative

Panel Copies of the referenced pages from the transcript are attached

for the Courts convenience as composite Exhibit B]3

bull Assertions that the Cohens had no discussions of Melnicks recusal

motions before the August 6 2009 Gibbs recusal hearing (T -167 -68)

strain credulity particularly in light of the detailed questions and

answers on this subject before the JQC Investigate Committee [The

Hearing Panel supported this finding based upon trial Exhibit H

which is the transcript of Judge Cohens appearance before the JQC

Investigative Committee where Judge Cohen testified under oath

together with pages 657-63 of the trial transcript Copies of these

excerpts of testimony are attached as Composite Exhibit C]

2 In its Findings and Conclusions the Hearing Panel refers to Exhibit D but we believe that this is an error and the reference should be to Exhibit H the transcript of the 6(b) hearing The reference to Exhibit D was to the transcript of the State v Gibbs hearing which was only 18 pages long which has led us to conclude that the reference should be to Exhibit H 3 At Judge Cohens 6(b) hearing before the JQCs Investigative Panel Judge Cohen admitted that he violated the Code (8-6 ~20 8-8 Ex H pp 40-4149-50 and 69) (8ee composite Exhibit D)

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Gibbs and Butler under oath and interrogated them about the recusal

motions filed by Attorney Melnick Judge Cohen may not have

intended to retaliate against Attorney Melnick but these proceedings

had the appearance of impropriety and were used by the Judge to

convey the public impression that his wife was right and Melnick

wrong

Judge Cohen challenges these facts with this argument (C-6)

The facts found on page 19 through 20 of the JQCs Findings Conclusions and Recommendations are argumentative and conclusory and Judge Cohen does not agree to that rendition of the facts Specifically Judge Cohen did not make a misplaced personal attack on Stephen Melnick Judge Cohen did not intend to embarrass and intimidate Melnick to prevent him from filing recusal moti~ns that would reflect poorly on Mardi Levey Cohen

Unfortunately for Judge Cohen the Hearing Panels Findings of Fact

are based upon stipulated evidence together with Judge Cohens own

testimony and admissions That evidence is beyond clear and convincing

These factual conclusions are permissible inferences drawn from the

foregoing clear and convincing evidence

Issue I The Pattern and Practice Issue (C-7)

Judge Cohen advances a contorted argument that the Hearing Panel

was required to find a pattern and practice of wrongdoing and in the

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absence of such a finding there can be no finding that Judge Cohen violated

the Code

This argument falls of its own weight Essentially the JQC alleged

Code violations arising from two separate legal matters State v Gibbs and

State v Butler The Hearing Panel found violations arising from each of

those hearings and also found that it was a violation of the Code for Judge

Cohen to make a personal attack on Attorney Melnick before the

Investigative Panel Those are three separate violations Each stands on its

own That the Hearing Panel did not find that those three separate violations

constituted a pattern and practice does not negate the finding that each of

those findings constituted a separate violation

On page 10 of his reply Judge Cohen argues that the JQC must

prove all elements of an offense or the cause of action There is no cause of

action here Instead facts are alleged and facts are proven and the Hearing

Panel reaches a conclusion as to whether those facts transgress one or more

provisions of the Code Judge Cohens efforts to compare this JQC

proceeding to an ordinary civil or criminal case fails

Issue II - Whether the Hearing Panel Made Factual Findings that Are not Supported by Clear and Convincing Evidence (C-14)

This argument is already refuted above But again the short answer

is that the JQCs findings are based on the parties stipulated facts and

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stipulated documents and on Judge Cohens own sworn testimony and

admissions both before the Investigative Panel and at the trial The

stipulated evidence and the admissions out of the respondents own mouth

clearly exceed the clear and convincing standard and even exceed beyond

a reasonable doubt because the evidence consists of facts the parties agreed

were true and admissions that Judge Cohen made himself under oath On

pages 14-29 of his reply Judge Cohen merely re-argues facts that have

already been found against him based on evidence that is far more

conclusive than evidence that merely meets the clear and convincing

standard

Issue Ill Whether the Court Should Reduce the Sanction to Admonishment Because the Hearing Panel Found no Pattern and

Practice of Misconduct (C-37)

We have already addressed the pattern and practice issue Even

though the Hearing Panel found that the three violations that occurred did

not constitute a pattern and practice of wrongdoing the Panel nevertheless

found three separate serious violations of the Code In recommending a

public reprimand the Hearing Panel found that each of the violations arose

from Judge Cohens use of office in efforts to vindicate his wife (F-2S)

The Pan~l compared Judge Cohens offense to judges using the prestige of

their office to obtain favorable treatment for relatives or friends (F-2S) The

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Panel properly concluded that a public reprimand would be the appropriate

discipline However if the Court is inclined to alter the discipline the Court

should consider whether the discipline should be enhanced to include a

suspension andor a fine because of the unique circumstances of Judge

Cohens violations

CONCLUSION

Judge Cohen admitted under oath that calling his wife as a witness in

a recusal hearing was wrong (S-Ex H ppAO 4149 50 69) As this Court

reiterated in In re Eriksson 36 So3d 580 (Fla 2010) if the Hearing Panels

findings meet the clear and convincing evidentiary test those findings are

of persuasive force and are given great weight by this Court This Court

also pointed out that the JQC is in a position to evaluate the testimony and

evidence first-hand The findings of the Hearing Panel in this matter are

based upon stipulated evidence admissions from Judge Cohen in his sworn

testimony and reasonable inferences drawn from such evidence This Court

should affirm the Hearing Panels Findings and Conclusions

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wife Holding that hearing did not benefit my wife

in any way whatsoever

Q Did it benefit you

A It didnt benefit me It wasnt part of

my thought process The reason I had the hearing

was the reason that I said -- was just trying to

clear things up When I called Melnick in his

office I just said Im just trying to clear

things up I never said anything bad about

Melnick other than when I responded to JQC because

I think there were issues of credibility I think

they had accused me of some very -- they were way

off in their accusations on their notice of

investigation And I just assumed that some of

those accusations came from Melnick And I just

wanted to paint a little better picture for them of

who Mr Melnick is Hes not the height of

credibility I like him Hes not a bad guy You

know socially hes a good guy I cant explain

Professionally I have problems Socially I have

no problem wi th Steve Melnick

Q Anything else you want to tell the panel

A I need a bathroom break

Q And are you feeling okay now

A Yeah

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representing one of these people -- and Im wrong on

this assumption Im just telling you I assumed

that he had some -- someone else was representing

these people and Melnick just came in and got me off

the case

Q Okay So this is your assumption for

which you have not a scintilla of evidence and that

is that Melnick was doing a favor for somebody else

bumping you off the case so that other lawyer could

represent these people before another judge

A That was the only thing I could think of

why he would file a motion to recuse

Q But you dont have an ounce of proof that

that was the case do you

A And it wasnt the case it

Q It wasnt the case

A It wasnt the case

Q Okay

A Im telling you what my thought process

was August of 2009

Q Okay Now we got that cleared up

A One of the lawyers in his office Valerie

Small-Williams and she had been working very hard

to get me off one of her cases but she had no

grounds And I had thought that this was one of

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those cases But I was wrong

Q You were wrong

A I was wrong No question

Q Were admitting on the stand right now

that this is pure speculation on your part and

theres not a bit of truth to it

A Theres no truth to it And that was my

thought process was that he was just trying to get

me off the case for one of his friends but that -shy

that turned out not to be the case

Q All right Judge Cohen can you

understand why a lawyer in the shoes ofmiddot Mr Melnick

who perceives himself as having gotten into an

adversarial relationship with your wife that

involved what he characterizes as a hostile

telephone conversation ending with a hang-up that

he had at least peripheral involvement in a lawsuit

in which your wife was the named defendant and he

was involved in an adversary -- with an adversarial

election person and the lawsuit actually resulted in

your wifes name being stricken from the ballot and

may have cost her the election that that whole

imbroglio might make him wonder if he should be

bringing clients before you her husband for you to

be the judge on it Do you understand how he might

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whether it was made private My question to you

were those photographs sent to the Judicial

Qualifications Investigative Panel for the sole

purpose of trying to persuade them there was

something bad about Melnick and therefore you must

be telling the truth as to how you handled this

matter

A Theres no question that theres some

type of credibility issue Ther~ were allegations

in the notice of investigation that had been made by

Mr Melnick and I wanted the JQC to understand that

it isa credibility i$sue and that your -- number

one I want you to know about my credibility and I

want you to understand about Steve Melnick so you

can make an intelligent decision I obviously

didnt want the JQC to file charges against me I

was put in a position where I had to defend myself

Q Can I assume Judge Cohen as we sit here

now that you understand that the reason for Rule

2330 saying you dont get into the truthfulness or

lack of truthfulness of whats in front of you is so

the public can have confidence that a judge is not

pitting himself or herself against somebody in front

of them

A Correct I agree with that And I try L

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tbey iere exaggerated And I thought well if

h~~erd my wife he would realize what he was

writing wasnt true and we would get past it

be wouldn t file them anymore and this would

clear it up I thought whatever disagreement

he had I thought if he heard from my wife and

he got to speak that would be it and it would

go

And we actually had the hearing And

heres where Im stupid because I actually

thought after thishearing I thought it was

cleared up But apparently ~ot because he

went to the chief criminal administrative judge

and complained that I had a hearing So I had

a hearing with the chief criminal

administrative judge who told me You cant

have hearings if somebody files a motion to

recuse II

And I told Ilona Holmes thats not what

were taught in judicial college Im going to

get to that argument I do have a right to have

a hearing

In any event once I found out he was

upset I called Melnicks office

apologized I told hirq the only reason that I

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I didnt say one word at that recount I

didnt open my mouth at that recount I was

there to watch and support my wife who was

going through a very difficult time in her

life I mean I dont know if you have any

idea how tough it is to be involved in a

recount I mean it turned into a circus And

she had nobody And I was there at the recount

with her

I did not open my mouth once I didnt

talk to anybody at that recount I was just

physically there with her And thats all I

did

I understand about ~erception I handled

this badly I know I handled this badly I

understand its perception I dont think

legally I did anything wrong and thats why I

gave you the cases Its not - Im not an

expert on the area of disqualification Ive

only filed one motion to disqualify in 20 years

as a lawyer

I know its bad And Ive granted every

single one I just -- and I got frustrated

He carne into court and gave me three at once

and I just wanted to clear it up so that he

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wouldnt file them in the future It really

had nothing to do with my wife it was more

just clearing up steve why are you doing

this Im your friend I dont understand

And thats where I was coming from It

really had nothing to do with my wife

THE CHAIR Dr Haber

Judge Wolf

JUDGE WOLF I cant let a couple of

things go You know you came in here saying

you were trying to hold this hearing SO you

could get over the friendship -- or get your

friendship back with this guy And thats not

true It is directly in conflict with what you

just said I held a hearing to get him t6

stop filing these motions That was the

reason you held this hearing And that is

inappropriate for getting someone to stop

filing motions So youre digging yourself a

bigger grave

THE RESPONDENT Can I respond

JUDGE WOLF No

All I want to -- well Ill let you

respond The reason you held that hearing was

to get him to s~op filing motions wasnt it

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THE RESPONDENT Okay I thought that

the reason he was filing the motions was

because he was afraid that I would retaliate

against him And we were friends and if he

understood that we had a friendship and maybe

he misunderstood what was going on between him

and my wife that he wouldnt -- that it would

be okay

And thats what I thought when I left the

hearing its all cleared up he heard her

side she heard his IIAnd now you dont have

to be afraid that I couldnt be fair in your

case II

I thought that Honestly I -- I dont

have a problem recusing myself on cases I

dont own these cases I have no stake in

these cases I just its just frustrating

when somebodys your friend and thinks that you

cant be fair You know Im sure thats

happened to you And its just frustrating

And I was friends with Steve Melnick so

but youre right I mean I didnt want him

to continually file them But the reason he

was filing them wa~ because he didnt think I

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THE RESPONDENT Correct

JUDGE SILBERMAN 3(a) of the code A

judge shall hear -- Im sorry 3(b) (1) A

~udge shall hear and decide matters assigned to

the judge except those in which

disqualification is required

Do you understand that sentence

THE RESPONDENT I do

JUDGE SILBERMAN So why dont you

describe for the commission how those two

provisions fit together and support your

conducting an evidentiary hearing in which your

wife is a witness

THE RESPONDENT It doesnt Although

the only thing I could say is that I did

disqualify myself from the hearing There was

no harm well theres harm to the dommunity

I dont want to say that theres no harm but

I mean but Mr Melnick wanted

disqualification I granted his

disqualification I mean my mi~take obviously

was h~ving the hearing But that doesnt

JPPG~ ~ILBE~~~ Couldn t a p~r$on

looking at this say or conclude that you

conducted the hearing in order to intimidate

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JUDGE SILBERMAN- Andmiddot your reo$middotpon~libility

as a judge is not to put Y01rself or the

judiciary in that position r isnt it

THE RESPONDENT Yes

JUDGE SILBERMAN Why wasmiddot your wifemiddot at

THE RESPONDENT I asked her to be there

JUDGE SILBERMAN So you provided for a

witness to attend an evidentiary hearing that

you were going to conduct

THE RESPONDENT (Moving head up amiddotnd

~UDGE SILBERMAN I canthear you

THEmiddot RESmiddotPO~NDENT Yes Yes

J-UDGE SILBEmiddotR~AN She was nomiddott under

sulgtpoena

THE RESPONDENT No

JUDGE SILBERMAN This is an evidentiary

hearing on a motion to disqualify in the ca~e

of State versus Gibbs Wheres the prosecutor

in this hearing

THE RESPONDENT They were in the

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they were in the courtroom

JUDGE SILBERMAN Did you invite them to

participate

THE RESPONDENT They were just sitting

at the prosecutors table

JUDGE SILBERMAN -Did you ask them if

they had any questions of the witness

THE RESPONDENT No

JUDGE SILBERMAN You start out the

hearing by asking your wife if she had the

opportunity to read the motion Correct

THE RESPONDENT Correct

JUDGE SILBERMAN Mr Melnick then

objects relating that-youre going to have to

make -- if you go forward with the hearing

youre going to be making determinations as to

credibility Correct

THE RESPONDENT Correct

JUDGE SILBERMAN And in fact you asked

questions of your wife Is that correct

THE RESPONDENT Thats correct

JUDGE SILBERMAN You indicated that you

knew you were supposed to recuse in this

matter

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THE RESPONDENT correct

Well can I just -- I knew once I held

the hearing I was required to recuse

didnt -- and I knew that the whole purpose of

having the hearing again was to flush things

out But once I started the hearing I knew I

had to recuse

JUDGE SILBERMAN Was the motion legally

sufficient to require your recusal

THE RESPONDENT No

JUDGE SILBERMAN Why didnt you deny it

THE RESPONDENT At the time I thought

I thought it was legal~y sufficient at the

time I also thought I hadnt done anything

wrong at the time When I got this complaint

the notice of investigation I read the rule of

judicial administration which I wasnt aware

and I saw that I couldnt have the hearing

And I realized at that point that I made a

mistake But then in preparing for this

hearing I did some research Im more

familiar with disqualification now And now my

opinion is that the motion is not legally

sufficient At the time my opinion was that it

was legally sufficient

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JUDGE SILBERM~N At the time you

concluded it was legally sufficient

THE RESPONDENT (Moving head up and

down )

JUDGE SILBERMAN I cant hear you

THE RESPONDENT Yes At the time - shy

JUDGE SILBERMAN So why - shy

THE RESPONDENT At the time I thought it

wasmiddotlegally sufficient

JUDGE SILBER~AN I~ you thought it was

legally sufficientwhy didnt you recuse

yourself on the spot

THE RESPONDENT Because I thought that I

had the right to hold a hearing based on the

disqualification disclosure packet from the

judicial college I didnt know that it was

required ~nder the Rule of Judicial

Administratioh I was looking at -- you know~

again Do not hold a hearing because it

doesnt require a hearing which means its

discretionary And then it says If you do

h~ld a hearing you must assume the facts are

true and that just by holding a hearing that

alone will require you to disqualify yourself

And thats why I held the hearing

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JUDGE SILBERMAN Well you said you

believed it to be legally sufficient

THE RESPONDENT Correct

JUDGE SILBERMAN In which case

I dont understand the purpose of the

hearing other than look at page seven 4(a)

Expressing displeasure with attorney for

bringing motion to disqualify may be considered

intimidation

THE RESPONDENT Right I didn t express

any displeasure

JUDGE SILBERMAN Conducting a hearing on

a matter that you already determined required

yoti to disqualify yourself is not intimidation

THE RESPONDENT It could be And I

tried to be -- you have to understand I tried

to be nice to him during this hearing I

wasnt going after him and making him feel bad

because he was filing the motion I was just

~rying to flush otit the facts And I said that

in the hearing Im just trying to flush

everything out so that everybody knows

Because we were friends before we can still be

friends And thats why I did it

I didnt study -- you have to understand

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JUDGE SILBERMAN On page 13 of the

transcript after theres a dialogue again with

Mr Melnick you then state I dont think I

have to make any kind of ruling as to the

factual dispute Is that correct

THE RESPONDENT Correct

JUDGE SILBERMAN In which case again

there was no legally justifiable purpose for

this hearing Is that correct

THE RESPONDENT Yes Yeah theres no

legalJy justifiable purpose correct It wasmiddot

more a moral thing

JUDGE SILBERMAN I was

THE RESPONDENT It was personal It

wasnt -- but it wasnt personal in a negative

way I wasnt attacking the man I was

friends with the man Its hard to explain

when youre a judge and youre friends with

people and then because of an election that

has nothing to do with you now people are

attacking you

But I realize I had no business holding

that hearing And if it looks like because I

held the hearing that alone is intimidation

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Q Thats fine Ill -- Ill get you back

to where we want to go

A Okay

Q Now it was a little after noon I

believe you said when you arrived in your husbands

courtroom

A Correct

Q Okay And at about 1230 your husband

adjourned and told everyone to come back at 130

Correct

A Correct

Q Okay And then you went to lunch with

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A Correct

Q All right Just the two of you at lunchZ

A Right

Q All right And your husband asked you to

return to the courtroom with him at 130 Correct

A No He asked me if I was coming back to

the courthouse And I told him that I had hearing

at 130 And he asked me if when I was done if I

would come back into -- come back to his courtroom

A lot of times he would ask me to do that because

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might find interesting or a motion to suppress or

an attorneys arguments are interesting or

whatever -- just for interest So he would let me

know ahead of time And so thats why when he said

you know Will you come back after your hearing I

had agreed I would

Q So during your hour long lunch with your

husband you did not discuss the motion -- the

recusal motion that Mr Melnick had filed in the

Gibbs case

A No

Q No discussion of that whatsoever

A No

Q And you did not -- he did not even tell

you that he was going to -- planning to call you as

a wi tness did he

A No

Q Just came as a total shock to you

A Yes

Q Okay And we do have a transcript I

believe thats in the record here of that and

weve been through that already and I dont need to

belabor that with you All right Now-shy

A Im not sure I understand I just want

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the back door because my office would be on the

other side of the back door And when were leaving

the courtroom I just asked her Can you corne back

at 130 She told me she had a hearing with Judge

Gates at 130 and then she said she would corne by

as soon as that hearing with Judge Gates was over

JUDGE MENENDEZ Could I corne back and

ask a question now

THE CHAIR Okay with you

JUDGE WARREN Yeah Go ahead

EXAMINATION

BY JUDGE MENENDEZ

Q Did you have any discussions with your

wife over the fact that this lawyer Mr Melnick

was filing all these motions when he was alleging

that she had threatened him during a phone call

A If I did it would have been -shy

Q At anytime

A a year and a half earlier when he

fir s t f i led it

Q Okay And did that concern her at all

as far as expressing any concern to you about it

A This was a very minor instance Like my

wife said this was like middota meaningless event She

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with serious candidates violating rules that really

needed attention This was -- she called Melnick

up she said You cant have re-elect You

cant ~- you need to say retain He changed it

and that was it I mean Melnick corrected it right

away My wife called him right away and said you

know Youre violating the rules It was

corrected and that was the end of it

Q There was apparently a disagreement at

the hearing between Mr Melnick and your wife where

I thought that her initial testimony at the hearing

before you was that she had called him because there

was a disclaimer missing from some advertisement for

Judge Dijols and then Mr Melnick contradicted her

on that and said No it didnt deal with the

disclaimer It dealt with the re-elect versus

retain

A Exactly The disclaimer on ~very

political advertisement says This ad has been

approved by the candidate This shows that my wife

and I didnt discuss it Because my wife didnt

ev~n get the issue right If I had discussed this

with my wife she would have known what the issue

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rather than hers

A Melnick was right Hey look you

know

Q All right

A But if my wife and I talked about it she

would have gotten it right she came to court and

she had no idea and

Q Well she had some idea didnt she that

you were going

A She knew she was coming to a hearing

Q About the motions to recuse

A About Melnick

Q And his motions to recuse

A Yes

Q Okay You did tell her that ahead of

time In fact Mr Schneider phrased it says We

got another one of those Would you mind coming and

testifying And you said That was probably

exactly what was said

A Well I -- I didnt remember

QPage 62

A I asked her can you -- can you come

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theres no way she knew because I dont discuss

these things with her I just sign them and go on

I dont give my wife a recount of everything I do

every day

Q I thought a minute ago you said you had

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A Maybe when he first filed it a year and a

half earlier but since then I never

Q Well she was aware that he had accused

her of threatening him in at least one motion to

recuse

A Yeah

Q Okay

A Yeah Yeah

Q And that - - the way Mr Schneider phrased

it he said Was there communication to the fact

that quote unquote weve got another one of

those Would you mind coming to testify

A Well those arent my words Those are

Mr Schneiders

Q They are but you said that was probably

exactly what was said

A The substance You know its -- I -- I

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use those words But I said Can you come back

You know Im doing a hearing on Melnicks motion to

recuse

Q But you did ask her to come to court and

she did know that she was coming to court to talk

about the motion

A I dont think she knew that she was going

to be testifying but she knew she was coming to

court and it was on Melnicks motion

JUDGE WARREN Nothing r

EXAMINATION

BY MR DUNKINSON

Q I want to continue with that before I ask

my other questions I apologize because Im the

layperson here so I have a lot of -shy

THE CHAIR Mr Catalano has pointed that

out

Q I want to make sure I understand this

because I just -- Im very confused about the

conversation with you and your wife and what the

judges have asked Page 61 this is your quote not

Schneiders I probably told her -- I may have

told her that you know Steves filed a motion to

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conversation are we talking about Is that not the

phone conversation that were talking about

A Right That would have been the phone

conversation

Q So at that point which is at your lunch

or before your lunch your wife knew what you were

going to be asking her to do Because you then

say -- or Mr Schneider says on 62 There was a

communication of the fact that quote Weve got

another one of these Would you mind coming to

testify And you again said That was probably

exactly what was saiq

A I didnt remember specifically what I had

told her I mean if you look at Line 17 on 61 I

say I probably told her and then I say I may have

told her I didnt remember exactly what I told

her I just know that I told her I was doing a

motion to recuse at 130 and if she could come back

and specifically I didnt remember

Q All right So those statements you -shy

are you now saying that those statements are not

correct Is that what youre saying

A No Im saying -shy

Q Are you retracting those

A -- I may have told her I probably -- I

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dont remember specifically what I told her a year

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Q I understand

A But when this happened when I gave this

statement and I think it was November -- yeah

November I wasnt a hundred percent what I told

her August 6th

Q All right Well the only point is you

know in her testimony yesterday as well as yours

both of you denied that you had any conversation

about it

A No I asked her to come back at 130

Q She claimed she knew nothing about what

it was about

A She didnt know I was going to be calling

her as

Q Implied that she did

A -- a witness

THE CHAIR Lets each of you finish

talking and the other can answer

Q All right Question the motion to

recuse again I dont know this but I have a

limited understanding -- can it not be the lawyer

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I didnt study this disquaiification and

disclosure I justwent by what I learned at

judicial college two years earlier You know

I -- its impossible to know everything they

teach you at judicial college They give you

2000 pages worth of material for Session A

they give you 2000 pages of material for

Session B and were going to make mistakes

THE CHAIR I hate to interrupt When

did you go to judicial college

THE RE$PONDENT I went March I guess

2007 and -shy

THE CHAIR Did you just put these in a

closet and not read them

I mean I dont want to hear 2000

pages

Im sorry Judge

JUDGE SILBERMAN As ~e sit heremiddot today

do you agree that you violated Canons 3 3 (b)

the provisions that we went through

THE RESPONDENT Ye~

JUDGE SILBERMAN Canon 2(a) A Judge

sha-lmiddotl relJpect and aomply wi-th the Lawmiddot and sha]l

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JUDGE SILBERMAN Do you believe t~a t

yqur conduct is in violation of Canon 2(a)

THE RESPONDENT yemiddots bull

don t believe was on the nmiddototice of

investigation but I do think it s pertinent i

UA judge smiddothall not allow f amily smiddotocial

pcgtlitical or other relationshipmiddotsmiddot to influente

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pzolgtlem with 2 (b) as wellmiddot II

THE RESPONDENT You know I just -- Im

going to say yes I just -- you know I made

it very careful that I would not -- I didnt

comment on my wifes testimony I didnt say

liMy wife is right and youre wrong I believe

my wife II I just -- I didnt go anywhere near

there I just backed off and said IIIm not

making any rulings Your motions granted

I just tried to clear this matter up We

were friends before And thats what I did

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to participate Right

THE RESPONDENT No No they werent

trying to participate

JUDGE FREEMAN Had the State Attorneys

Office ever request that you have that hearing

THE RESPONDENT No

JUDGE FREEMAN Had the State Attorneys

Office ever objected to the motion to recuse

THE RESPONDENT No

JUDGE FREEMAN Thank you

THE CHAIR Mr Morales

MR MORALES Your Honor one thing

Obviously whats legally sufficient for a

layperson I dont -- Ill leave that to the

judges and the lawyers but the fact that you

happened to go t~lunch with your wife that day

and you said Oh why dont you come on by

Were going to have this little hearing do

you think thats appropriate

THE RESPONDENT I didnt I dont -shy

its not -- the whole thing is not appropriate

The fact that I had the hearing I know is not

appropriate Probably not

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Hey Im going to have a hearing after lunch

Why dont you come by and testify

THE RESPONDENT No

MR MORALES Okay You thought you

should have had this hearing

THE RESPONDENT At the time yes now

no But-shy

MR MORALES Youre going to take a

li~t~e time the next time and think about what

youre doing

THE RESPONDENT It wasnt my intent -shy

you have to understand it wasnt my intent I

wouldnt have called the guy like a couple of

days later and said Im sorry I told him

the whole thing blew up My intent was just to

repair a friendship I just

MR MORALES Repairing your f~iendship

seems to work a lot better when youre sitti~g

down talking to somebody over a cold beer or -shy

either that or just sitting in your chambers

Hey lets talk about this

THE RESPONDENT I know But if it goes

bad then theyre saying youre berating them

in chambers I just should have let it go and

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reason you think it was inappropriate

THE RESPONDENT I do think his motion

was legally insufficient and I should have

just denied it as legally insufficient and

closed the book on that case

JUDGE SILVERNAIL Okay That answers my

questions Thank you

THE RESPONDENT Okay Thank you

THE CHAIR Anybody anything else

Judge do you want to close wrap up

THE RESPONDENT No I -- I do I do

At the time I held the hearing I thought

I had the right to hold the hearing based on my

misinterpretation on what I learned at judge

school I knew that I had to grant the motion

just by the fact that I held the hearing

When I came in her~ today I legally

still think I could have held the hearing but

for different reasons because the motion was

legally insufficient based on the case law and

the research that Ive done I didnt think

about the questions that you all have posed me

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the less than beyond and to the exclusion of a reasonable doubt In re Davey 645 So2d 398 404 (Fla 1994) If the findings meet this intermediate standard then they are of persuasive force and are given great weight by this Court See In re LaMotte 341 So2d 513 516 (Fla 1977) This is so because the JQC is in a position to evaluate the testimony and evidence first-hand See In re Crewell 379 So2d 107 (Fla 1979) However the ultimate power and responsibility III

making a determination rests with this Court Id

The Parties Stipulation

To facilitate the trial the JQC and Judge Cohen stipulated to ten pages

of facts and to the authenticity of 17 different documents compilations of

documents and transcripts (S-1-10) A fact established by stipulation

achieves a certitude that exceeds beyond a reasonable doubt Tribunals

consider such facts to be absolute and beyond dispute Furthermore fact-

finders are entitled to draw reasonable inferences from such stipulated facts I

But in his argument Judge Cohen attacks some of the very facts to which he

stipulated and he attacks the reasonable inferences drawn from those facts

For example Judge Cohen states on page 2 ofhis response

Attorney Stephen Melnick was notmiddot actively involved in Mardi Levey Cohens judicial candidacy in 2006 He had sent a small check in support and posted a sign at this office (T -159-150 246 14)

The Court in McCloud v Swanson 681 So2d 898 900 (Fla 4th DCA 1996) held In determining the facts the fact-finder may draw reasonable inferences from the evidence Fla Std Jury Instr (Civ) 21) Consequently the reasonable factual deductions drawn from the testimony become positive evidence of those facts within the meaning of Tozir v Jarvis [emphasis in the original]

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Yet Judge Cohen stipulated as follows regarding Mr Melnicks involvement

in his wifes judicial campaign (S-2-3 -r6)

In the Broward County judicial election of 2006 Attorney Stephen Melnick actively supported and worked for the election of Mardi Cohen a candidate for a Broward County circuit judgeship and the wife of Judge Dale C Cohen

On pages 2-7 of his response Judge Cohen argues facts that the

Hearing Panel disregarded rej ected or found immaterial in reaching its

findings and conclusions about Judge Cohen

Judge Cohen takes particular issue (C-6) with the Hearing Panels fact

findings on pages 19-20 of the Hearing Panels Findings and Conclusions

(F-19-20) The Hearing Panels facts found on pages 19-20 consist of the

following facts and reasonable inferences that a fact-fmder is allowed to

draw from those facts

bull [Judge Cohen] made a misplaced personal attack on the character of

Attorney Melnick thinking that Melnick was the source of the

charges and that a good offense was better than simply responding

(F-19) [The Hearing Panel relied upon Judge Cohens own testimony

at pages 611 634-35 and 694 of the transcript Copies of those pages

are attached for the Courts convenience as composite Exhibit A]

bull Judge Cohen exercised poor judgment and acted inappropriately in

calling his wife as a witness at a recusal hearing in which he acted as

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an inquisitor He did so to embarrass and intimate Melnick and to

prevent him from filing more recusal motions reflecting poorly on

Levey Cohen when she was engaged in another election campaign

[The Hearing Panel supports this conclusion by referring to Exhibit

H2 which is the transcript of the 6(b) hearing before the Investigative

Panel Copies of the referenced pages from the transcript are attached

for the Courts convenience as composite Exhibit B]3

bull Assertions that the Cohens had no discussions of Melnicks recusal

motions before the August 6 2009 Gibbs recusal hearing (T -167 -68)

strain credulity particularly in light of the detailed questions and

answers on this subject before the JQC Investigate Committee [The

Hearing Panel supported this finding based upon trial Exhibit H

which is the transcript of Judge Cohens appearance before the JQC

Investigative Committee where Judge Cohen testified under oath

together with pages 657-63 of the trial transcript Copies of these

excerpts of testimony are attached as Composite Exhibit C]

2 In its Findings and Conclusions the Hearing Panel refers to Exhibit D but we believe that this is an error and the reference should be to Exhibit H the transcript of the 6(b) hearing The reference to Exhibit D was to the transcript of the State v Gibbs hearing which was only 18 pages long which has led us to conclude that the reference should be to Exhibit H 3 At Judge Cohens 6(b) hearing before the JQCs Investigative Panel Judge Cohen admitted that he violated the Code (8-6 ~20 8-8 Ex H pp 40-4149-50 and 69) (8ee composite Exhibit D)

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Gibbs and Butler under oath and interrogated them about the recusal

motions filed by Attorney Melnick Judge Cohen may not have

intended to retaliate against Attorney Melnick but these proceedings

had the appearance of impropriety and were used by the Judge to

convey the public impression that his wife was right and Melnick

wrong

Judge Cohen challenges these facts with this argument (C-6)

The facts found on page 19 through 20 of the JQCs Findings Conclusions and Recommendations are argumentative and conclusory and Judge Cohen does not agree to that rendition of the facts Specifically Judge Cohen did not make a misplaced personal attack on Stephen Melnick Judge Cohen did not intend to embarrass and intimidate Melnick to prevent him from filing recusal moti~ns that would reflect poorly on Mardi Levey Cohen

Unfortunately for Judge Cohen the Hearing Panels Findings of Fact

are based upon stipulated evidence together with Judge Cohens own

testimony and admissions That evidence is beyond clear and convincing

These factual conclusions are permissible inferences drawn from the

foregoing clear and convincing evidence

Issue I The Pattern and Practice Issue (C-7)

Judge Cohen advances a contorted argument that the Hearing Panel

was required to find a pattern and practice of wrongdoing and in the

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absence of such a finding there can be no finding that Judge Cohen violated

the Code

This argument falls of its own weight Essentially the JQC alleged

Code violations arising from two separate legal matters State v Gibbs and

State v Butler The Hearing Panel found violations arising from each of

those hearings and also found that it was a violation of the Code for Judge

Cohen to make a personal attack on Attorney Melnick before the

Investigative Panel Those are three separate violations Each stands on its

own That the Hearing Panel did not find that those three separate violations

constituted a pattern and practice does not negate the finding that each of

those findings constituted a separate violation

On page 10 of his reply Judge Cohen argues that the JQC must

prove all elements of an offense or the cause of action There is no cause of

action here Instead facts are alleged and facts are proven and the Hearing

Panel reaches a conclusion as to whether those facts transgress one or more

provisions of the Code Judge Cohens efforts to compare this JQC

proceeding to an ordinary civil or criminal case fails

Issue II - Whether the Hearing Panel Made Factual Findings that Are not Supported by Clear and Convincing Evidence (C-14)

This argument is already refuted above But again the short answer

is that the JQCs findings are based on the parties stipulated facts and

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stipulated documents and on Judge Cohens own sworn testimony and

admissions both before the Investigative Panel and at the trial The

stipulated evidence and the admissions out of the respondents own mouth

clearly exceed the clear and convincing standard and even exceed beyond

a reasonable doubt because the evidence consists of facts the parties agreed

were true and admissions that Judge Cohen made himself under oath On

pages 14-29 of his reply Judge Cohen merely re-argues facts that have

already been found against him based on evidence that is far more

conclusive than evidence that merely meets the clear and convincing

standard

Issue Ill Whether the Court Should Reduce the Sanction to Admonishment Because the Hearing Panel Found no Pattern and

Practice of Misconduct (C-37)

We have already addressed the pattern and practice issue Even

though the Hearing Panel found that the three violations that occurred did

not constitute a pattern and practice of wrongdoing the Panel nevertheless

found three separate serious violations of the Code In recommending a

public reprimand the Hearing Panel found that each of the violations arose

from Judge Cohens use of office in efforts to vindicate his wife (F-2S)

The Pan~l compared Judge Cohens offense to judges using the prestige of

their office to obtain favorable treatment for relatives or friends (F-2S) The

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Panel properly concluded that a public reprimand would be the appropriate

discipline However if the Court is inclined to alter the discipline the Court

should consider whether the discipline should be enhanced to include a

suspension andor a fine because of the unique circumstances of Judge

Cohens violations

CONCLUSION

Judge Cohen admitted under oath that calling his wife as a witness in

a recusal hearing was wrong (S-Ex H ppAO 4149 50 69) As this Court

reiterated in In re Eriksson 36 So3d 580 (Fla 2010) if the Hearing Panels

findings meet the clear and convincing evidentiary test those findings are

of persuasive force and are given great weight by this Court This Court

also pointed out that the JQC is in a position to evaluate the testimony and

evidence first-hand The findings of the Hearing Panel in this matter are

based upon stipulated evidence admissions from Judge Cohen in his sworn

testimony and reasonable inferences drawn from such evidence This Court

should affirm the Hearing Panels Findings and Conclusions

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in any way whatsoever

Q Did it benefit you

A It didnt benefit me It wasnt part of

my thought process The reason I had the hearing

was the reason that I said -- was just trying to

clear things up When I called Melnick in his

office I just said Im just trying to clear

things up I never said anything bad about

Melnick other than when I responded to JQC because

I think there were issues of credibility I think

they had accused me of some very -- they were way

off in their accusations on their notice of

investigation And I just assumed that some of

those accusations came from Melnick And I just

wanted to paint a little better picture for them of

who Mr Melnick is Hes not the height of

credibility I like him Hes not a bad guy You

know socially hes a good guy I cant explain

Professionally I have problems Socially I have

no problem wi th Steve Melnick

Q Anything else you want to tell the panel

A I need a bathroom break

Q And are you feeling okay now

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representing one of these people -- and Im wrong on

this assumption Im just telling you I assumed

that he had some -- someone else was representing

these people and Melnick just came in and got me off

the case

Q Okay So this is your assumption for

which you have not a scintilla of evidence and that

is that Melnick was doing a favor for somebody else

bumping you off the case so that other lawyer could

represent these people before another judge

A That was the only thing I could think of

why he would file a motion to recuse

Q But you dont have an ounce of proof that

that was the case do you

A And it wasnt the case it

Q It wasnt the case

A It wasnt the case

Q Okay

A Im telling you what my thought process

was August of 2009

Q Okay Now we got that cleared up

A One of the lawyers in his office Valerie

Small-Williams and she had been working very hard

to get me off one of her cases but she had no

grounds And I had thought that this was one of

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those cases But I was wrong

Q You were wrong

A I was wrong No question

Q Were admitting on the stand right now

that this is pure speculation on your part and

theres not a bit of truth to it

A Theres no truth to it And that was my

thought process was that he was just trying to get

me off the case for one of his friends but that -shy

that turned out not to be the case

Q All right Judge Cohen can you

understand why a lawyer in the shoes ofmiddot Mr Melnick

who perceives himself as having gotten into an

adversarial relationship with your wife that

involved what he characterizes as a hostile

telephone conversation ending with a hang-up that

he had at least peripheral involvement in a lawsuit

in which your wife was the named defendant and he

was involved in an adversary -- with an adversarial

election person and the lawsuit actually resulted in

your wifes name being stricken from the ballot and

may have cost her the election that that whole

imbroglio might make him wonder if he should be

bringing clients before you her husband for you to

be the judge on it Do you understand how he might

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whether it was made private My question to you

were those photographs sent to the Judicial

Qualifications Investigative Panel for the sole

purpose of trying to persuade them there was

something bad about Melnick and therefore you must

be telling the truth as to how you handled this

matter

A Theres no question that theres some

type of credibility issue Ther~ were allegations

in the notice of investigation that had been made by

Mr Melnick and I wanted the JQC to understand that

it isa credibility i$sue and that your -- number

one I want you to know about my credibility and I

want you to understand about Steve Melnick so you

can make an intelligent decision I obviously

didnt want the JQC to file charges against me I

was put in a position where I had to defend myself

Q Can I assume Judge Cohen as we sit here

now that you understand that the reason for Rule

2330 saying you dont get into the truthfulness or

lack of truthfulness of whats in front of you is so

the public can have confidence that a judge is not

pitting himself or herself against somebody in front

of them

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h~~erd my wife he would realize what he was

writing wasnt true and we would get past it

be wouldn t file them anymore and this would

clear it up I thought whatever disagreement

he had I thought if he heard from my wife and

he got to speak that would be it and it would

go

And we actually had the hearing And

heres where Im stupid because I actually

thought after thishearing I thought it was

cleared up But apparently ~ot because he

went to the chief criminal administrative judge

and complained that I had a hearing So I had

a hearing with the chief criminal

administrative judge who told me You cant

have hearings if somebody files a motion to

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And I told Ilona Holmes thats not what

were taught in judicial college Im going to

get to that argument I do have a right to have

a hearing

In any event once I found out he was

upset I called Melnicks office

apologized I told hirq the only reason that I

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I didnt say one word at that recount I

didnt open my mouth at that recount I was

there to watch and support my wife who was

going through a very difficult time in her

life I mean I dont know if you have any

idea how tough it is to be involved in a

recount I mean it turned into a circus And

she had nobody And I was there at the recount

with her

I did not open my mouth once I didnt

talk to anybody at that recount I was just

physically there with her And thats all I

did

I understand about ~erception I handled

this badly I know I handled this badly I

understand its perception I dont think

legally I did anything wrong and thats why I

gave you the cases Its not - Im not an

expert on the area of disqualification Ive

only filed one motion to disqualify in 20 years

as a lawyer

I know its bad And Ive granted every

single one I just -- and I got frustrated

He carne into court and gave me three at once

and I just wanted to clear it up so that he

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wouldnt file them in the future It really

had nothing to do with my wife it was more

just clearing up steve why are you doing

this Im your friend I dont understand

And thats where I was coming from It

really had nothing to do with my wife

THE CHAIR Dr Haber

Judge Wolf

JUDGE WOLF I cant let a couple of

things go You know you came in here saying

you were trying to hold this hearing SO you

could get over the friendship -- or get your

friendship back with this guy And thats not

true It is directly in conflict with what you

just said I held a hearing to get him t6

stop filing these motions That was the

reason you held this hearing And that is

inappropriate for getting someone to stop

filing motions So youre digging yourself a

bigger grave

THE RESPONDENT Can I respond

JUDGE WOLF No

All I want to -- well Ill let you

respond The reason you held that hearing was

to get him to s~op filing motions wasnt it

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THE RESPONDENT Okay I thought that

the reason he was filing the motions was

because he was afraid that I would retaliate

against him And we were friends and if he

understood that we had a friendship and maybe

he misunderstood what was going on between him

and my wife that he wouldnt -- that it would

be okay

And thats what I thought when I left the

hearing its all cleared up he heard her

side she heard his IIAnd now you dont have

to be afraid that I couldnt be fair in your

case II

I thought that Honestly I -- I dont

have a problem recusing myself on cases I

dont own these cases I have no stake in

these cases I just its just frustrating

when somebodys your friend and thinks that you

cant be fair You know Im sure thats

happened to you And its just frustrating

And I was friends with Steve Melnick so

but youre right I mean I didnt want him

to continually file them But the reason he

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THE RESPONDENT Correct

JUDGE SILBERMAN 3(a) of the code A

judge shall hear -- Im sorry 3(b) (1) A

~udge shall hear and decide matters assigned to

the judge except those in which

disqualification is required

Do you understand that sentence

THE RESPONDENT I do

JUDGE SILBERMAN So why dont you

describe for the commission how those two

provisions fit together and support your

conducting an evidentiary hearing in which your

wife is a witness

THE RESPONDENT It doesnt Although

the only thing I could say is that I did

disqualify myself from the hearing There was

no harm well theres harm to the dommunity

I dont want to say that theres no harm but

I mean but Mr Melnick wanted

disqualification I granted his

disqualification I mean my mi~take obviously

was h~ving the hearing But that doesnt

JPPG~ ~ILBE~~~ Couldn t a p~r$on

looking at this say or conclude that you

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JUDGE SILBERMAN- Andmiddot your reo$middotpon~libility

as a judge is not to put Y01rself or the

judiciary in that position r isnt it

THE RESPONDENT Yes

JUDGE SILBERMAN Why wasmiddot your wifemiddot at

THE RESPONDENT I asked her to be there

JUDGE SILBERMAN So you provided for a

witness to attend an evidentiary hearing that

you were going to conduct

THE RESPONDENT (Moving head up amiddotnd

~UDGE SILBERMAN I canthear you

THEmiddot RESmiddotPO~NDENT Yes Yes

J-UDGE SILBEmiddotR~AN She was nomiddott under

sulgtpoena

THE RESPONDENT No

JUDGE SILBERMAN This is an evidentiary

hearing on a motion to disqualify in the ca~e

of State versus Gibbs Wheres the prosecutor

in this hearing

THE RESPONDENT They were in the

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courtroom They might not have announced but

they were in the courtroom

JUDGE SILBERMAN Did you invite them to

participate

THE RESPONDENT They were just sitting

at the prosecutors table

JUDGE SILBERMAN -Did you ask them if

they had any questions of the witness

THE RESPONDENT No

JUDGE SILBERMAN You start out the

hearing by asking your wife if she had the

opportunity to read the motion Correct

THE RESPONDENT Correct

JUDGE SILBERMAN Mr Melnick then

objects relating that-youre going to have to

make -- if you go forward with the hearing

youre going to be making determinations as to

credibility Correct

THE RESPONDENT Correct

JUDGE SILBERMAN And in fact you asked

questions of your wife Is that correct

THE RESPONDENT Thats correct

JUDGE SILBERMAN You indicated that you

knew you were supposed to recuse in this

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Well can I just -- I knew once I held

the hearing I was required to recuse

didnt -- and I knew that the whole purpose of

having the hearing again was to flush things

out But once I started the hearing I knew I

had to recuse

JUDGE SILBERMAN Was the motion legally

sufficient to require your recusal

THE RESPONDENT No

JUDGE SILBERMAN Why didnt you deny it

THE RESPONDENT At the time I thought

I thought it was legal~y sufficient at the

time I also thought I hadnt done anything

wrong at the time When I got this complaint

the notice of investigation I read the rule of

judicial administration which I wasnt aware

and I saw that I couldnt have the hearing

And I realized at that point that I made a

mistake But then in preparing for this

hearing I did some research Im more

familiar with disqualification now And now my

opinion is that the motion is not legally

sufficient At the time my opinion was that it

was legally sufficient

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THE RESPONDENT (Moving head up and

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JUDGE SILBERMAN I cant hear you

THE RESPONDENT Yes At the time - shy

JUDGE SILBERMAN So why - shy

THE RESPONDENT At the time I thought it

wasmiddotlegally sufficient

JUDGE SILBER~AN I~ you thought it was

legally sufficientwhy didnt you recuse

yourself on the spot

THE RESPONDENT Because I thought that I

had the right to hold a hearing based on the

disqualification disclosure packet from the

judicial college I didnt know that it was

required ~nder the Rule of Judicial

Administratioh I was looking at -- you know~

again Do not hold a hearing because it

doesnt require a hearing which means its

discretionary And then it says If you do

h~ld a hearing you must assume the facts are

true and that just by holding a hearing that

alone will require you to disqualify yourself

And thats why I held the hearing

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JUDGE SILBERMAN Well you said you

believed it to be legally sufficient

THE RESPONDENT Correct

JUDGE SILBERMAN In which case

I dont understand the purpose of the

hearing other than look at page seven 4(a)

Expressing displeasure with attorney for

bringing motion to disqualify may be considered

intimidation

THE RESPONDENT Right I didn t express

any displeasure

JUDGE SILBERMAN Conducting a hearing on

a matter that you already determined required

yoti to disqualify yourself is not intimidation

THE RESPONDENT It could be And I

tried to be -- you have to understand I tried

to be nice to him during this hearing I

wasnt going after him and making him feel bad

because he was filing the motion I was just

~rying to flush otit the facts And I said that

in the hearing Im just trying to flush

everything out so that everybody knows

Because we were friends before we can still be

friends And thats why I did it

I didnt study -- you have to understand

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transcript after theres a dialogue again with

Mr Melnick you then state I dont think I

have to make any kind of ruling as to the

factual dispute Is that correct

THE RESPONDENT Correct

JUDGE SILBERMAN In which case again

there was no legally justifiable purpose for

this hearing Is that correct

THE RESPONDENT Yes Yeah theres no

legalJy justifiable purpose correct It wasmiddot

more a moral thing

JUDGE SILBERMAN I was

THE RESPONDENT It was personal It

wasnt -- but it wasnt personal in a negative

way I wasnt attacking the man I was

friends with the man Its hard to explain

when youre a judge and youre friends with

people and then because of an election that

has nothing to do with you now people are

attacking you

But I realize I had no business holding

that hearing And if it looks like because I

held the hearing that alone is intimidation

that really wasnt -- that thought never

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dont know what else

Q Thats fine Ill -- Ill get you back

to where we want to go

A Okay

Q Now it was a little after noon I

believe you said when you arrived in your husbands

courtroom

A Correct

Q Okay And at about 1230 your husband

adjourned and told everyone to come back at 130

Correct

A Correct

Q Okay And then you went to lunch with

him

A Correct

Q All right Just the two of you at lunchZ

A Right

Q All right And your husband asked you to

return to the courtroom with him at 130 Correct

A No He asked me if I was coming back to

the courthouse And I told him that I had hearing

at 130 And he asked me if when I was done if I

would come back into -- come back to his courtroom

A lot of times he would ask me to do that because

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might find interesting or a motion to suppress or

an attorneys arguments are interesting or

whatever -- just for interest So he would let me

know ahead of time And so thats why when he said

you know Will you come back after your hearing I

had agreed I would

Q So during your hour long lunch with your

husband you did not discuss the motion -- the

recusal motion that Mr Melnick had filed in the

Gibbs case

A No

Q No discussion of that whatsoever

A No

Q And you did not -- he did not even tell

you that he was going to -- planning to call you as

a wi tness did he

A No

Q Just came as a total shock to you

A Yes

Q Okay And we do have a transcript I

believe thats in the record here of that and

weve been through that already and I dont need to

belabor that with you All right Now-shy

A Im not sure I understand I just want

to be really clear on everything What do you mean

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the back door because my office would be on the

other side of the back door And when were leaving

the courtroom I just asked her Can you corne back

at 130 She told me she had a hearing with Judge

Gates at 130 and then she said she would corne by

as soon as that hearing with Judge Gates was over

JUDGE MENENDEZ Could I corne back and

ask a question now

THE CHAIR Okay with you

JUDGE WARREN Yeah Go ahead

EXAMINATION

BY JUDGE MENENDEZ

Q Did you have any discussions with your

wife over the fact that this lawyer Mr Melnick

was filing all these motions when he was alleging

that she had threatened him during a phone call

A If I did it would have been -shy

Q At anytime

A a year and a half earlier when he

fir s t f i led it

Q Okay And did that concern her at all

as far as expressing any concern to you about it

A This was a very minor instance Like my

wife said this was like middota meaningless event She

had run two campaigns where theres serious issues

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with serious candidates violating rules that really

needed attention This was -- she called Melnick

up she said You cant have re-elect You

cant ~- you need to say retain He changed it

and that was it I mean Melnick corrected it right

away My wife called him right away and said you

know Youre violating the rules It was

corrected and that was the end of it

Q There was apparently a disagreement at

the hearing between Mr Melnick and your wife where

I thought that her initial testimony at the hearing

before you was that she had called him because there

was a disclaimer missing from some advertisement for

Judge Dijols and then Mr Melnick contradicted her

on that and said No it didnt deal with the

disclaimer It dealt with the re-elect versus

retain

A Exactly The disclaimer on ~very

political advertisement says This ad has been

approved by the candidate This shows that my wife

and I didnt discuss it Because my wife didnt

ev~n get the issue right If I had discussed this

with my wife she would have known what the issue

was and she would have been correct ~n her

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Q So you credited Mr Melnicks credibility

rather than hers

A Melnick was right Hey look you

know

Q All right

A But if my wife and I talked about it she

would have gotten it right she came to court and

she had no idea and

Q Well she had some idea didnt she that

you were going

A She knew she was coming to a hearing

Q About the motions to recuse

A About Melnick

Q And his motions to recuse

A Yes

Q Okay You did tell her that ahead of

time In fact Mr Schneider phrased it says We

got another one of those Would you mind coming and

testifying And you said That was probably

exactly what was said

A Well I -- I didnt remember

QPage 62

A I asked her can you -- can you come

back I dont know that my wife knew that Melnick

had filed -- theres no way she didnt know

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theres no way she knew because I dont discuss

these things with her I just sign them and go on

I dont give my wife a recount of everything I do

every day

Q I thought a minute ago you said you had

some discussions with her -shy

A Maybe when he first filed it a year and a

half earlier but since then I never

Q Well she was aware that he had accused

her of threatening him in at least one motion to

recuse

A Yeah

Q Okay

A Yeah Yeah

Q And that - - the way Mr Schneider phrased

it he said Was there communication to the fact

that quote unquote weve got another one of

those Would you mind coming to testify

A Well those arent my words Those are

Mr Schneiders

Q They are but you said that was probably

exactly what was said

A The substance You know its -- I -- I

dont know

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A Those arent my words I mean I dont

use those words But I said Can you come back

You know Im doing a hearing on Melnicks motion to

recuse

Q But you did ask her to come to court and

she did know that she was coming to court to talk

about the motion

A I dont think she knew that she was going

to be testifying but she knew she was coming to

court and it was on Melnicks motion

JUDGE WARREN Nothing r

EXAMINATION

BY MR DUNKINSON

Q I want to continue with that before I ask

my other questions I apologize because Im the

layperson here so I have a lot of -shy

THE CHAIR Mr Catalano has pointed that

out

Q I want to make sure I understand this

because I just -- Im very confused about the

conversation with you and your wife and what the

judges have asked Page 61 this is your quote not

Schneiders I probably told her -- I may have

told her that you know Steves filed a motion to

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conversation are we talking about Is that not the

phone conversation that were talking about

A Right That would have been the phone

conversation

Q So at that point which is at your lunch

or before your lunch your wife knew what you were

going to be asking her to do Because you then

say -- or Mr Schneider says on 62 There was a

communication of the fact that quote Weve got

another one of these Would you mind coming to

testify And you again said That was probably

exactly what was saiq

A I didnt remember specifically what I had

told her I mean if you look at Line 17 on 61 I

say I probably told her and then I say I may have

told her I didnt remember exactly what I told

her I just know that I told her I was doing a

motion to recuse at 130 and if she could come back

and specifically I didnt remember

Q All right So those statements you -shy

are you now saying that those statements are not

correct Is that what youre saying

A No Im saying -shy

Q Are you retracting those

A -- I may have told her I probably -- I

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dont remember specifically Certainly today I

dont remember specifically what I told her a year

and a half ago

Q I understand

A But when this happened when I gave this

statement and I think it was November -- yeah

November I wasnt a hundred percent what I told

her August 6th

Q All right Well the only point is you

know in her testimony yesterday as well as yours

both of you denied that you had any conversation

about it

A No I asked her to come back at 130

Q She claimed she knew nothing about what

it was about

A She didnt know I was going to be calling

her as

Q Implied that she did

A -- a witness

THE CHAIR Lets each of you finish

talking and the other can answer

Q All right Question the motion to

recuse again I dont know this but I have a

limited understanding -- can it not be the lawyer

that has an issue with you in addition to the

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I didnt study this disquaiification and

disclosure I justwent by what I learned at

judicial college two years earlier You know

I -- its impossible to know everything they

teach you at judicial college They give you

2000 pages worth of material for Session A

they give you 2000 pages of material for

Session B and were going to make mistakes

THE CHAIR I hate to interrupt When

did you go to judicial college

THE RE$PONDENT I went March I guess

2007 and -shy

THE CHAIR Did you just put these in a

closet and not read them

I mean I dont want to hear 2000

pages

Im sorry Judge

JUDGE SILBERMAN As ~e sit heremiddot today

do you agree that you violated Canons 3 3 (b)

the provisions that we went through

THE RESPONDENT Ye~

JUDGE SILBERMAN Canon 2(a) A Judge

sha-lmiddotl relJpect and aomply wi-th the Lawmiddot and sha]l

public conpoundidence and the integrity and ~

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JUDGE SILBERMAN Do you believe t~a t

yqur conduct is in violation of Canon 2(a)

THE RESPONDENT yemiddots bull

don t believe was on the nmiddototice of

investigation but I do think it s pertinent i

UA judge smiddothall not allow f amily smiddotocial

pcgtlitical or other relationshipmiddotsmiddot to influente

t~e judges judicial conduct or judgmenmiddott II

Do you think that someone cmiddotould look at

Y9u r conduct and say 11 Sounds like there s a

pzolgtlem with 2 (b) as wellmiddot II

THE RESPONDENT You know I just -- Im

going to say yes I just -- you know I made

it very careful that I would not -- I didnt

comment on my wifes testimony I didnt say

liMy wife is right and youre wrong I believe

my wife II I just -- I didnt go anywhere near

there I just backed off and said IIIm not

making any rulings Your motions granted

I just tried to clear this matter up We

were friends before And thats what I did

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JUDGE FREEMAN So they were not trying

to participate Right

THE RESPONDENT No No they werent

trying to participate

JUDGE FREEMAN Had the State Attorneys

Office ever request that you have that hearing

THE RESPONDENT No

JUDGE FREEMAN Had the State Attorneys

Office ever objected to the motion to recuse

THE RESPONDENT No

JUDGE FREEMAN Thank you

THE CHAIR Mr Morales

MR MORALES Your Honor one thing

Obviously whats legally sufficient for a

layperson I dont -- Ill leave that to the

judges and the lawyers but the fact that you

happened to go t~lunch with your wife that day

and you said Oh why dont you come on by

Were going to have this little hearing do

you think thats appropriate

THE RESPONDENT I didnt I dont -shy

its not -- the whole thing is not appropriate

The fact that I had the hearing I know is not

appropriate Probably not

MR MORALES Have you ever heard of

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Hey Im going to have a hearing after lunch

Why dont you come by and testify

THE RESPONDENT No

MR MORALES Okay You thought you

should have had this hearing

THE RESPONDENT At the time yes now

no But-shy

MR MORALES Youre going to take a

li~t~e time the next time and think about what

youre doing

THE RESPONDENT It wasnt my intent -shy

you have to understand it wasnt my intent I

wouldnt have called the guy like a couple of

days later and said Im sorry I told him

the whole thing blew up My intent was just to

repair a friendship I just

MR MORALES Repairing your f~iendship

seems to work a lot better when youre sitti~g

down talking to somebody over a cold beer or -shy

either that or just sitting in your chambers

Hey lets talk about this

THE RESPONDENT I know But if it goes

bad then theyre saying youre berating them

in chambers I just should have let it go and

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JUDGE SILVERNAIL Well is that the only

reason you think it was inappropriate

THE RESPONDENT I do think his motion

was legally insufficient and I should have

just denied it as legally insufficient and

closed the book on that case

JUDGE SILVERNAIL Okay That answers my

questions Thank you

THE RESPONDENT Okay Thank you

THE CHAIR Anybody anything else

Judge do you want to close wrap up

THE RESPONDENT No I -- I do I do

At the time I held the hearing I thought

I had the right to hold the hearing based on my

misinterpretation on what I learned at judge

school I knew that I had to grant the motion

just by the fact that I held the hearing

When I came in her~ today I legally

still think I could have held the hearing but

for different reasons because the motion was

legally insufficient based on the case law and

the research that Ive done I didnt think

about the questions that you all have posed me

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Yet Judge Cohen stipulated as follows regarding Mr Melnicks involvement

in his wifes judicial campaign (S-2-3 -r6)

In the Broward County judicial election of 2006 Attorney Stephen Melnick actively supported and worked for the election of Mardi Cohen a candidate for a Broward County circuit judgeship and the wife of Judge Dale C Cohen

On pages 2-7 of his response Judge Cohen argues facts that the

Hearing Panel disregarded rej ected or found immaterial in reaching its

findings and conclusions about Judge Cohen

Judge Cohen takes particular issue (C-6) with the Hearing Panels fact

findings on pages 19-20 of the Hearing Panels Findings and Conclusions

(F-19-20) The Hearing Panels facts found on pages 19-20 consist of the

following facts and reasonable inferences that a fact-fmder is allowed to

draw from those facts

bull [Judge Cohen] made a misplaced personal attack on the character of

Attorney Melnick thinking that Melnick was the source of the

charges and that a good offense was better than simply responding

(F-19) [The Hearing Panel relied upon Judge Cohens own testimony

at pages 611 634-35 and 694 of the transcript Copies of those pages

are attached for the Courts convenience as composite Exhibit A]

bull Judge Cohen exercised poor judgment and acted inappropriately in

calling his wife as a witness at a recusal hearing in which he acted as

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an inquisitor He did so to embarrass and intimate Melnick and to

prevent him from filing more recusal motions reflecting poorly on

Levey Cohen when she was engaged in another election campaign

[The Hearing Panel supports this conclusion by referring to Exhibit

H2 which is the transcript of the 6(b) hearing before the Investigative

Panel Copies of the referenced pages from the transcript are attached

for the Courts convenience as composite Exhibit B]3

bull Assertions that the Cohens had no discussions of Melnicks recusal

motions before the August 6 2009 Gibbs recusal hearing (T -167 -68)

strain credulity particularly in light of the detailed questions and

answers on this subject before the JQC Investigate Committee [The

Hearing Panel supported this finding based upon trial Exhibit H

which is the transcript of Judge Cohens appearance before the JQC

Investigative Committee where Judge Cohen testified under oath

together with pages 657-63 of the trial transcript Copies of these

excerpts of testimony are attached as Composite Exhibit C]

2 In its Findings and Conclusions the Hearing Panel refers to Exhibit D but we believe that this is an error and the reference should be to Exhibit H the transcript of the 6(b) hearing The reference to Exhibit D was to the transcript of the State v Gibbs hearing which was only 18 pages long which has led us to conclude that the reference should be to Exhibit H 3 At Judge Cohens 6(b) hearing before the JQCs Investigative Panel Judge Cohen admitted that he violated the Code (8-6 ~20 8-8 Ex H pp 40-4149-50 and 69) (8ee composite Exhibit D)

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Gibbs and Butler under oath and interrogated them about the recusal

motions filed by Attorney Melnick Judge Cohen may not have

intended to retaliate against Attorney Melnick but these proceedings

had the appearance of impropriety and were used by the Judge to

convey the public impression that his wife was right and Melnick

wrong

Judge Cohen challenges these facts with this argument (C-6)

The facts found on page 19 through 20 of the JQCs Findings Conclusions and Recommendations are argumentative and conclusory and Judge Cohen does not agree to that rendition of the facts Specifically Judge Cohen did not make a misplaced personal attack on Stephen Melnick Judge Cohen did not intend to embarrass and intimidate Melnick to prevent him from filing recusal moti~ns that would reflect poorly on Mardi Levey Cohen

Unfortunately for Judge Cohen the Hearing Panels Findings of Fact

are based upon stipulated evidence together with Judge Cohens own

testimony and admissions That evidence is beyond clear and convincing

These factual conclusions are permissible inferences drawn from the

foregoing clear and convincing evidence

Issue I The Pattern and Practice Issue (C-7)

Judge Cohen advances a contorted argument that the Hearing Panel

was required to find a pattern and practice of wrongdoing and in the

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absence of such a finding there can be no finding that Judge Cohen violated

the Code

This argument falls of its own weight Essentially the JQC alleged

Code violations arising from two separate legal matters State v Gibbs and

State v Butler The Hearing Panel found violations arising from each of

those hearings and also found that it was a violation of the Code for Judge

Cohen to make a personal attack on Attorney Melnick before the

Investigative Panel Those are three separate violations Each stands on its

own That the Hearing Panel did not find that those three separate violations

constituted a pattern and practice does not negate the finding that each of

those findings constituted a separate violation

On page 10 of his reply Judge Cohen argues that the JQC must

prove all elements of an offense or the cause of action There is no cause of

action here Instead facts are alleged and facts are proven and the Hearing

Panel reaches a conclusion as to whether those facts transgress one or more

provisions of the Code Judge Cohens efforts to compare this JQC

proceeding to an ordinary civil or criminal case fails

Issue II - Whether the Hearing Panel Made Factual Findings that Are not Supported by Clear and Convincing Evidence (C-14)

This argument is already refuted above But again the short answer

is that the JQCs findings are based on the parties stipulated facts and

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stipulated documents and on Judge Cohens own sworn testimony and

admissions both before the Investigative Panel and at the trial The

stipulated evidence and the admissions out of the respondents own mouth

clearly exceed the clear and convincing standard and even exceed beyond

a reasonable doubt because the evidence consists of facts the parties agreed

were true and admissions that Judge Cohen made himself under oath On

pages 14-29 of his reply Judge Cohen merely re-argues facts that have

already been found against him based on evidence that is far more

conclusive than evidence that merely meets the clear and convincing

standard

Issue Ill Whether the Court Should Reduce the Sanction to Admonishment Because the Hearing Panel Found no Pattern and

Practice of Misconduct (C-37)

We have already addressed the pattern and practice issue Even

though the Hearing Panel found that the three violations that occurred did

not constitute a pattern and practice of wrongdoing the Panel nevertheless

found three separate serious violations of the Code In recommending a

public reprimand the Hearing Panel found that each of the violations arose

from Judge Cohens use of office in efforts to vindicate his wife (F-2S)

The Pan~l compared Judge Cohens offense to judges using the prestige of

their office to obtain favorable treatment for relatives or friends (F-2S) The

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Panel properly concluded that a public reprimand would be the appropriate

discipline However if the Court is inclined to alter the discipline the Court

should consider whether the discipline should be enhanced to include a

suspension andor a fine because of the unique circumstances of Judge

Cohens violations

CONCLUSION

Judge Cohen admitted under oath that calling his wife as a witness in

a recusal hearing was wrong (S-Ex H ppAO 4149 50 69) As this Court

reiterated in In re Eriksson 36 So3d 580 (Fla 2010) if the Hearing Panels

findings meet the clear and convincing evidentiary test those findings are

of persuasive force and are given great weight by this Court This Court

also pointed out that the JQC is in a position to evaluate the testimony and

evidence first-hand The findings of the Hearing Panel in this matter are

based upon stipulated evidence admissions from Judge Cohen in his sworn

testimony and reasonable inferences drawn from such evidence This Court

should affirm the Hearing Panels Findings and Conclusions

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wife Holding that hearing did not benefit my wife

in any way whatsoever

Q Did it benefit you

A It didnt benefit me It wasnt part of

my thought process The reason I had the hearing

was the reason that I said -- was just trying to

clear things up When I called Melnick in his

office I just said Im just trying to clear

things up I never said anything bad about

Melnick other than when I responded to JQC because

I think there were issues of credibility I think

they had accused me of some very -- they were way

off in their accusations on their notice of

investigation And I just assumed that some of

those accusations came from Melnick And I just

wanted to paint a little better picture for them of

who Mr Melnick is Hes not the height of

credibility I like him Hes not a bad guy You

know socially hes a good guy I cant explain

Professionally I have problems Socially I have

no problem wi th Steve Melnick

Q Anything else you want to tell the panel

A I need a bathroom break

Q And are you feeling okay now

A Yeah

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representing one of these people -- and Im wrong on

this assumption Im just telling you I assumed

that he had some -- someone else was representing

these people and Melnick just came in and got me off

the case

Q Okay So this is your assumption for

which you have not a scintilla of evidence and that

is that Melnick was doing a favor for somebody else

bumping you off the case so that other lawyer could

represent these people before another judge

A That was the only thing I could think of

why he would file a motion to recuse

Q But you dont have an ounce of proof that

that was the case do you

A And it wasnt the case it

Q It wasnt the case

A It wasnt the case

Q Okay

A Im telling you what my thought process

was August of 2009

Q Okay Now we got that cleared up

A One of the lawyers in his office Valerie

Small-Williams and she had been working very hard

to get me off one of her cases but she had no

grounds And I had thought that this was one of

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Q You were wrong

A I was wrong No question

Q Were admitting on the stand right now

that this is pure speculation on your part and

theres not a bit of truth to it

A Theres no truth to it And that was my

thought process was that he was just trying to get

me off the case for one of his friends but that -shy

that turned out not to be the case

Q All right Judge Cohen can you

understand why a lawyer in the shoes ofmiddot Mr Melnick

who perceives himself as having gotten into an

adversarial relationship with your wife that

involved what he characterizes as a hostile

telephone conversation ending with a hang-up that

he had at least peripheral involvement in a lawsuit

in which your wife was the named defendant and he

was involved in an adversary -- with an adversarial

election person and the lawsuit actually resulted in

your wifes name being stricken from the ballot and

may have cost her the election that that whole

imbroglio might make him wonder if he should be

bringing clients before you her husband for you to

be the judge on it Do you understand how he might

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whether it was made private My question to you

were those photographs sent to the Judicial

Qualifications Investigative Panel for the sole

purpose of trying to persuade them there was

something bad about Melnick and therefore you must

be telling the truth as to how you handled this

matter

A Theres no question that theres some

type of credibility issue Ther~ were allegations

in the notice of investigation that had been made by

Mr Melnick and I wanted the JQC to understand that

it isa credibility i$sue and that your -- number

one I want you to know about my credibility and I

want you to understand about Steve Melnick so you

can make an intelligent decision I obviously

didnt want the JQC to file charges against me I

was put in a position where I had to defend myself

Q Can I assume Judge Cohen as we sit here

now that you understand that the reason for Rule

2330 saying you dont get into the truthfulness or

lack of truthfulness of whats in front of you is so

the public can have confidence that a judge is not

pitting himself or herself against somebody in front

of them

A Correct I agree with that And I try L

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h~~erd my wife he would realize what he was

writing wasnt true and we would get past it

be wouldn t file them anymore and this would

clear it up I thought whatever disagreement

he had I thought if he heard from my wife and

he got to speak that would be it and it would

go

And we actually had the hearing And

heres where Im stupid because I actually

thought after thishearing I thought it was

cleared up But apparently ~ot because he

went to the chief criminal administrative judge

and complained that I had a hearing So I had

a hearing with the chief criminal

administrative judge who told me You cant

have hearings if somebody files a motion to

recuse II

And I told Ilona Holmes thats not what

were taught in judicial college Im going to

get to that argument I do have a right to have

a hearing

In any event once I found out he was

upset I called Melnicks office

apologized I told hirq the only reason that I

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I didnt say one word at that recount I

didnt open my mouth at that recount I was

there to watch and support my wife who was

going through a very difficult time in her

life I mean I dont know if you have any

idea how tough it is to be involved in a

recount I mean it turned into a circus And

she had nobody And I was there at the recount

with her

I did not open my mouth once I didnt

talk to anybody at that recount I was just

physically there with her And thats all I

did

I understand about ~erception I handled

this badly I know I handled this badly I

understand its perception I dont think

legally I did anything wrong and thats why I

gave you the cases Its not - Im not an

expert on the area of disqualification Ive

only filed one motion to disqualify in 20 years

as a lawyer

I know its bad And Ive granted every

single one I just -- and I got frustrated

He carne into court and gave me three at once

and I just wanted to clear it up so that he

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wouldnt file them in the future It really

had nothing to do with my wife it was more

just clearing up steve why are you doing

this Im your friend I dont understand

And thats where I was coming from It

really had nothing to do with my wife

THE CHAIR Dr Haber

Judge Wolf

JUDGE WOLF I cant let a couple of

things go You know you came in here saying

you were trying to hold this hearing SO you

could get over the friendship -- or get your

friendship back with this guy And thats not

true It is directly in conflict with what you

just said I held a hearing to get him t6

stop filing these motions That was the

reason you held this hearing And that is

inappropriate for getting someone to stop

filing motions So youre digging yourself a

bigger grave

THE RESPONDENT Can I respond

JUDGE WOLF No

All I want to -- well Ill let you

respond The reason you held that hearing was

to get him to s~op filing motions wasnt it

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THE RESPONDENT Okay I thought that

the reason he was filing the motions was

because he was afraid that I would retaliate

against him And we were friends and if he

understood that we had a friendship and maybe

he misunderstood what was going on between him

and my wife that he wouldnt -- that it would

be okay

And thats what I thought when I left the

hearing its all cleared up he heard her

side she heard his IIAnd now you dont have

to be afraid that I couldnt be fair in your

case II

I thought that Honestly I -- I dont

have a problem recusing myself on cases I

dont own these cases I have no stake in

these cases I just its just frustrating

when somebodys your friend and thinks that you

cant be fair You know Im sure thats

happened to you And its just frustrating

And I was friends with Steve Melnick so

but youre right I mean I didnt want him

to continually file them But the reason he

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THE RESPONDENT Correct

JUDGE SILBERMAN 3(a) of the code A

judge shall hear -- Im sorry 3(b) (1) A

~udge shall hear and decide matters assigned to

the judge except those in which

disqualification is required

Do you understand that sentence

THE RESPONDENT I do

JUDGE SILBERMAN So why dont you

describe for the commission how those two

provisions fit together and support your

conducting an evidentiary hearing in which your

wife is a witness

THE RESPONDENT It doesnt Although

the only thing I could say is that I did

disqualify myself from the hearing There was

no harm well theres harm to the dommunity

I dont want to say that theres no harm but

I mean but Mr Melnick wanted

disqualification I granted his

disqualification I mean my mi~take obviously

was h~ving the hearing But that doesnt

JPPG~ ~ILBE~~~ Couldn t a p~r$on

looking at this say or conclude that you

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JUDGE SILBERMAN- Andmiddot your reo$middotpon~libility

as a judge is not to put Y01rself or the

judiciary in that position r isnt it

THE RESPONDENT Yes

JUDGE SILBERMAN Why wasmiddot your wifemiddot at

THE RESPONDENT I asked her to be there

JUDGE SILBERMAN So you provided for a

witness to attend an evidentiary hearing that

you were going to conduct

THE RESPONDENT (Moving head up amiddotnd

~UDGE SILBERMAN I canthear you

THEmiddot RESmiddotPO~NDENT Yes Yes

J-UDGE SILBEmiddotR~AN She was nomiddott under

sulgtpoena

THE RESPONDENT No

JUDGE SILBERMAN This is an evidentiary

hearing on a motion to disqualify in the ca~e

of State versus Gibbs Wheres the prosecutor

in this hearing

THE RESPONDENT They were in the

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they were in the courtroom

JUDGE SILBERMAN Did you invite them to

participate

THE RESPONDENT They were just sitting

at the prosecutors table

JUDGE SILBERMAN -Did you ask them if

they had any questions of the witness

THE RESPONDENT No

JUDGE SILBERMAN You start out the

hearing by asking your wife if she had the

opportunity to read the motion Correct

THE RESPONDENT Correct

JUDGE SILBERMAN Mr Melnick then

objects relating that-youre going to have to

make -- if you go forward with the hearing

youre going to be making determinations as to

credibility Correct

THE RESPONDENT Correct

JUDGE SILBERMAN And in fact you asked

questions of your wife Is that correct

THE RESPONDENT Thats correct

JUDGE SILBERMAN You indicated that you

knew you were supposed to recuse in this

matter

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Well can I just -- I knew once I held

the hearing I was required to recuse

didnt -- and I knew that the whole purpose of

having the hearing again was to flush things

out But once I started the hearing I knew I

had to recuse

JUDGE SILBERMAN Was the motion legally

sufficient to require your recusal

THE RESPONDENT No

JUDGE SILBERMAN Why didnt you deny it

THE RESPONDENT At the time I thought

I thought it was legal~y sufficient at the

time I also thought I hadnt done anything

wrong at the time When I got this complaint

the notice of investigation I read the rule of

judicial administration which I wasnt aware

and I saw that I couldnt have the hearing

And I realized at that point that I made a

mistake But then in preparing for this

hearing I did some research Im more

familiar with disqualification now And now my

opinion is that the motion is not legally

sufficient At the time my opinion was that it

was legally sufficient

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concluded it was legally sufficient

THE RESPONDENT (Moving head up and

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JUDGE SILBERMAN I cant hear you

THE RESPONDENT Yes At the time - shy

JUDGE SILBERMAN So why - shy

THE RESPONDENT At the time I thought it

wasmiddotlegally sufficient

JUDGE SILBER~AN I~ you thought it was

legally sufficientwhy didnt you recuse

yourself on the spot

THE RESPONDENT Because I thought that I

had the right to hold a hearing based on the

disqualification disclosure packet from the

judicial college I didnt know that it was

required ~nder the Rule of Judicial

Administratioh I was looking at -- you know~

again Do not hold a hearing because it

doesnt require a hearing which means its

discretionary And then it says If you do

h~ld a hearing you must assume the facts are

true and that just by holding a hearing that

alone will require you to disqualify yourself

And thats why I held the hearing

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believed it to be legally sufficient

THE RESPONDENT Correct

JUDGE SILBERMAN In which case

I dont understand the purpose of the

hearing other than look at page seven 4(a)

Expressing displeasure with attorney for

bringing motion to disqualify may be considered

intimidation

THE RESPONDENT Right I didn t express

any displeasure

JUDGE SILBERMAN Conducting a hearing on

a matter that you already determined required

yoti to disqualify yourself is not intimidation

THE RESPONDENT It could be And I

tried to be -- you have to understand I tried

to be nice to him during this hearing I

wasnt going after him and making him feel bad

because he was filing the motion I was just

~rying to flush otit the facts And I said that

in the hearing Im just trying to flush

everything out so that everybody knows

Because we were friends before we can still be

friends And thats why I did it

I didnt study -- you have to understand

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transcript after theres a dialogue again with

Mr Melnick you then state I dont think I

have to make any kind of ruling as to the

factual dispute Is that correct

THE RESPONDENT Correct

JUDGE SILBERMAN In which case again

there was no legally justifiable purpose for

this hearing Is that correct

THE RESPONDENT Yes Yeah theres no

legalJy justifiable purpose correct It wasmiddot

more a moral thing

JUDGE SILBERMAN I was

THE RESPONDENT It was personal It

wasnt -- but it wasnt personal in a negative

way I wasnt attacking the man I was

friends with the man Its hard to explain

when youre a judge and youre friends with

people and then because of an election that

has nothing to do with you now people are

attacking you

But I realize I had no business holding

that hearing And if it looks like because I

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dont know what else

Q Thats fine Ill -- Ill get you back

to where we want to go

A Okay

Q Now it was a little after noon I

believe you said when you arrived in your husbands

courtroom

A Correct

Q Okay And at about 1230 your husband

adjourned and told everyone to come back at 130

Correct

A Correct

Q Okay And then you went to lunch with

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A Correct

Q All right Just the two of you at lunchZ

A Right

Q All right And your husband asked you to

return to the courtroom with him at 130 Correct

A No He asked me if I was coming back to

the courthouse And I told him that I had hearing

at 130 And he asked me if when I was done if I

would come back into -- come back to his courtroom

A lot of times he would ask me to do that because

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might find interesting or a motion to suppress or

an attorneys arguments are interesting or

whatever -- just for interest So he would let me

know ahead of time And so thats why when he said

you know Will you come back after your hearing I

had agreed I would

Q So during your hour long lunch with your

husband you did not discuss the motion -- the

recusal motion that Mr Melnick had filed in the

Gibbs case

A No

Q No discussion of that whatsoever

A No

Q And you did not -- he did not even tell

you that he was going to -- planning to call you as

a wi tness did he

A No

Q Just came as a total shock to you

A Yes

Q Okay And we do have a transcript I

believe thats in the record here of that and

weve been through that already and I dont need to

belabor that with you All right Now-shy

A Im not sure I understand I just want

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the back door because my office would be on the

other side of the back door And when were leaving

the courtroom I just asked her Can you corne back

at 130 She told me she had a hearing with Judge

Gates at 130 and then she said she would corne by

as soon as that hearing with Judge Gates was over

JUDGE MENENDEZ Could I corne back and

ask a question now

THE CHAIR Okay with you

JUDGE WARREN Yeah Go ahead

EXAMINATION

BY JUDGE MENENDEZ

Q Did you have any discussions with your

wife over the fact that this lawyer Mr Melnick

was filing all these motions when he was alleging

that she had threatened him during a phone call

A If I did it would have been -shy

Q At anytime

A a year and a half earlier when he

fir s t f i led it

Q Okay And did that concern her at all

as far as expressing any concern to you about it

A This was a very minor instance Like my

wife said this was like middota meaningless event She

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with serious candidates violating rules that really

needed attention This was -- she called Melnick

up she said You cant have re-elect You

cant ~- you need to say retain He changed it

and that was it I mean Melnick corrected it right

away My wife called him right away and said you

know Youre violating the rules It was

corrected and that was the end of it

Q There was apparently a disagreement at

the hearing between Mr Melnick and your wife where

I thought that her initial testimony at the hearing

before you was that she had called him because there

was a disclaimer missing from some advertisement for

Judge Dijols and then Mr Melnick contradicted her

on that and said No it didnt deal with the

disclaimer It dealt with the re-elect versus

retain

A Exactly The disclaimer on ~very

political advertisement says This ad has been

approved by the candidate This shows that my wife

and I didnt discuss it Because my wife didnt

ev~n get the issue right If I had discussed this

with my wife she would have known what the issue

was and she would have been correct ~n her

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rather than hers

A Melnick was right Hey look you

know

Q All right

A But if my wife and I talked about it she

would have gotten it right she came to court and

she had no idea and

Q Well she had some idea didnt she that

you were going

A She knew she was coming to a hearing

Q About the motions to recuse

A About Melnick

Q And his motions to recuse

A Yes

Q Okay You did tell her that ahead of

time In fact Mr Schneider phrased it says We

got another one of those Would you mind coming and

testifying And you said That was probably

exactly what was said

A Well I -- I didnt remember

QPage 62

A I asked her can you -- can you come

back I dont know that my wife knew that Melnick

had filed -- theres no way she didnt know

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theres no way she knew because I dont discuss

these things with her I just sign them and go on

I dont give my wife a recount of everything I do

every day

Q I thought a minute ago you said you had

some discussions with her -shy

A Maybe when he first filed it a year and a

half earlier but since then I never

Q Well she was aware that he had accused

her of threatening him in at least one motion to

recuse

A Yeah

Q Okay

A Yeah Yeah

Q And that - - the way Mr Schneider phrased

it he said Was there communication to the fact

that quote unquote weve got another one of

those Would you mind coming to testify

A Well those arent my words Those are

Mr Schneiders

Q They are but you said that was probably

exactly what was said

A The substance You know its -- I -- I

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A Those arent my words I mean I dont

use those words But I said Can you come back

You know Im doing a hearing on Melnicks motion to

recuse

Q But you did ask her to come to court and

she did know that she was coming to court to talk

about the motion

A I dont think she knew that she was going

to be testifying but she knew she was coming to

court and it was on Melnicks motion

JUDGE WARREN Nothing r

EXAMINATION

BY MR DUNKINSON

Q I want to continue with that before I ask

my other questions I apologize because Im the

layperson here so I have a lot of -shy

THE CHAIR Mr Catalano has pointed that

out

Q I want to make sure I understand this

because I just -- Im very confused about the

conversation with you and your wife and what the

judges have asked Page 61 this is your quote not

Schneiders I probably told her -- I may have

told her that you know Steves filed a motion to

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conversation are we talking about Is that not the

phone conversation that were talking about

A Right That would have been the phone

conversation

Q So at that point which is at your lunch

or before your lunch your wife knew what you were

going to be asking her to do Because you then

say -- or Mr Schneider says on 62 There was a

communication of the fact that quote Weve got

another one of these Would you mind coming to

testify And you again said That was probably

exactly what was saiq

A I didnt remember specifically what I had

told her I mean if you look at Line 17 on 61 I

say I probably told her and then I say I may have

told her I didnt remember exactly what I told

her I just know that I told her I was doing a

motion to recuse at 130 and if she could come back

and specifically I didnt remember

Q All right So those statements you -shy

are you now saying that those statements are not

correct Is that what youre saying

A No Im saying -shy

Q Are you retracting those

A -- I may have told her I probably -- I

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dont remember specifically Certainly today I

dont remember specifically what I told her a year

and a half ago

Q I understand

A But when this happened when I gave this

statement and I think it was November -- yeah

November I wasnt a hundred percent what I told

her August 6th

Q All right Well the only point is you

know in her testimony yesterday as well as yours

both of you denied that you had any conversation

about it

A No I asked her to come back at 130

Q She claimed she knew nothing about what

it was about

A She didnt know I was going to be calling

her as

Q Implied that she did

A -- a witness

THE CHAIR Lets each of you finish

talking and the other can answer

Q All right Question the motion to

recuse again I dont know this but I have a

limited understanding -- can it not be the lawyer

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I didnt study this disquaiification and

disclosure I justwent by what I learned at

judicial college two years earlier You know

I -- its impossible to know everything they

teach you at judicial college They give you

2000 pages worth of material for Session A

they give you 2000 pages of material for

Session B and were going to make mistakes

THE CHAIR I hate to interrupt When

did you go to judicial college

THE RE$PONDENT I went March I guess

2007 and -shy

THE CHAIR Did you just put these in a

closet and not read them

I mean I dont want to hear 2000

pages

Im sorry Judge

JUDGE SILBERMAN As ~e sit heremiddot today

do you agree that you violated Canons 3 3 (b)

the provisions that we went through

THE RESPONDENT Ye~

JUDGE SILBERMAN Canon 2(a) A Judge

sha-lmiddotl relJpect and aomply wi-th the Lawmiddot and sha]l

public conpoundidence and the integrity and ~

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JUDGE SILBERMAN Do you believe t~a t

yqur conduct is in violation of Canon 2(a)

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don t believe was on the nmiddototice of

investigation but I do think it s pertinent i

UA judge smiddothall not allow f amily smiddotocial

pcgtlitical or other relationshipmiddotsmiddot to influente

t~e judges judicial conduct or judgmenmiddott II

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THE RESPONDENT You know I just -- Im

going to say yes I just -- you know I made

it very careful that I would not -- I didnt

comment on my wifes testimony I didnt say

liMy wife is right and youre wrong I believe

my wife II I just -- I didnt go anywhere near

there I just backed off and said IIIm not

making any rulings Your motions granted

I just tried to clear this matter up We

were friends before And thats what I did

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JUDGE FREEMAN So they were not trying

to participate Right

THE RESPONDENT No No they werent

trying to participate

JUDGE FREEMAN Had the State Attorneys

Office ever request that you have that hearing

THE RESPONDENT No

JUDGE FREEMAN Had the State Attorneys

Office ever objected to the motion to recuse

THE RESPONDENT No

JUDGE FREEMAN Thank you

THE CHAIR Mr Morales

MR MORALES Your Honor one thing

Obviously whats legally sufficient for a

layperson I dont -- Ill leave that to the

judges and the lawyers but the fact that you

happened to go t~lunch with your wife that day

and you said Oh why dont you come on by

Were going to have this little hearing do

you think thats appropriate

THE RESPONDENT I didnt I dont -shy

its not -- the whole thing is not appropriate

The fact that I had the hearing I know is not

appropriate Probably not

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Hey Im going to have a hearing after lunch

Why dont you come by and testify

THE RESPONDENT No

MR MORALES Okay You thought you

should have had this hearing

THE RESPONDENT At the time yes now

no But-shy

MR MORALES Youre going to take a

li~t~e time the next time and think about what

youre doing

THE RESPONDENT It wasnt my intent -shy

you have to understand it wasnt my intent I

wouldnt have called the guy like a couple of

days later and said Im sorry I told him

the whole thing blew up My intent was just to

repair a friendship I just

MR MORALES Repairing your f~iendship

seems to work a lot better when youre sitti~g

down talking to somebody over a cold beer or -shy

either that or just sitting in your chambers

Hey lets talk about this

THE RESPONDENT I know But if it goes

bad then theyre saying youre berating them

in chambers I just should have let it go and

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JUDGE SILVERNAIL Well is that the only

reason you think it was inappropriate

THE RESPONDENT I do think his motion

was legally insufficient and I should have

just denied it as legally insufficient and

closed the book on that case

JUDGE SILVERNAIL Okay That answers my

questions Thank you

THE RESPONDENT Okay Thank you

THE CHAIR Anybody anything else

Judge do you want to close wrap up

THE RESPONDENT No I -- I do I do

At the time I held the hearing I thought

I had the right to hold the hearing based on my

misinterpretation on what I learned at judge

school I knew that I had to grant the motion

just by the fact that I held the hearing

When I came in her~ today I legally

still think I could have held the hearing but

for different reasons because the motion was

legally insufficient based on the case law and

the research that Ive done I didnt think

about the questions that you all have posed me

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an inquisitor He did so to embarrass and intimate Melnick and to

prevent him from filing more recusal motions reflecting poorly on

Levey Cohen when she was engaged in another election campaign

[The Hearing Panel supports this conclusion by referring to Exhibit

H2 which is the transcript of the 6(b) hearing before the Investigative

Panel Copies of the referenced pages from the transcript are attached

for the Courts convenience as composite Exhibit B]3

bull Assertions that the Cohens had no discussions of Melnicks recusal

motions before the August 6 2009 Gibbs recusal hearing (T -167 -68)

strain credulity particularly in light of the detailed questions and

answers on this subject before the JQC Investigate Committee [The

Hearing Panel supported this finding based upon trial Exhibit H

which is the transcript of Judge Cohens appearance before the JQC

Investigative Committee where Judge Cohen testified under oath

together with pages 657-63 of the trial transcript Copies of these

excerpts of testimony are attached as Composite Exhibit C]

2 In its Findings and Conclusions the Hearing Panel refers to Exhibit D but we believe that this is an error and the reference should be to Exhibit H the transcript of the 6(b) hearing The reference to Exhibit D was to the transcript of the State v Gibbs hearing which was only 18 pages long which has led us to conclude that the reference should be to Exhibit H 3 At Judge Cohens 6(b) hearing before the JQCs Investigative Panel Judge Cohen admitted that he violated the Code (8-6 ~20 8-8 Ex H pp 40-4149-50 and 69) (8ee composite Exhibit D)

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Gibbs and Butler under oath and interrogated them about the recusal

motions filed by Attorney Melnick Judge Cohen may not have

intended to retaliate against Attorney Melnick but these proceedings

had the appearance of impropriety and were used by the Judge to

convey the public impression that his wife was right and Melnick

wrong

Judge Cohen challenges these facts with this argument (C-6)

The facts found on page 19 through 20 of the JQCs Findings Conclusions and Recommendations are argumentative and conclusory and Judge Cohen does not agree to that rendition of the facts Specifically Judge Cohen did not make a misplaced personal attack on Stephen Melnick Judge Cohen did not intend to embarrass and intimidate Melnick to prevent him from filing recusal moti~ns that would reflect poorly on Mardi Levey Cohen

Unfortunately for Judge Cohen the Hearing Panels Findings of Fact

are based upon stipulated evidence together with Judge Cohens own

testimony and admissions That evidence is beyond clear and convincing

These factual conclusions are permissible inferences drawn from the

foregoing clear and convincing evidence

Issue I The Pattern and Practice Issue (C-7)

Judge Cohen advances a contorted argument that the Hearing Panel

was required to find a pattern and practice of wrongdoing and in the

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the Code

This argument falls of its own weight Essentially the JQC alleged

Code violations arising from two separate legal matters State v Gibbs and

State v Butler The Hearing Panel found violations arising from each of

those hearings and also found that it was a violation of the Code for Judge

Cohen to make a personal attack on Attorney Melnick before the

Investigative Panel Those are three separate violations Each stands on its

own That the Hearing Panel did not find that those three separate violations

constituted a pattern and practice does not negate the finding that each of

those findings constituted a separate violation

On page 10 of his reply Judge Cohen argues that the JQC must

prove all elements of an offense or the cause of action There is no cause of

action here Instead facts are alleged and facts are proven and the Hearing

Panel reaches a conclusion as to whether those facts transgress one or more

provisions of the Code Judge Cohens efforts to compare this JQC

proceeding to an ordinary civil or criminal case fails

Issue II - Whether the Hearing Panel Made Factual Findings that Are not Supported by Clear and Convincing Evidence (C-14)

This argument is already refuted above But again the short answer

is that the JQCs findings are based on the parties stipulated facts and

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stipulated documents and on Judge Cohens own sworn testimony and

admissions both before the Investigative Panel and at the trial The

stipulated evidence and the admissions out of the respondents own mouth

clearly exceed the clear and convincing standard and even exceed beyond

a reasonable doubt because the evidence consists of facts the parties agreed

were true and admissions that Judge Cohen made himself under oath On

pages 14-29 of his reply Judge Cohen merely re-argues facts that have

already been found against him based on evidence that is far more

conclusive than evidence that merely meets the clear and convincing

standard

Issue Ill Whether the Court Should Reduce the Sanction to Admonishment Because the Hearing Panel Found no Pattern and

Practice of Misconduct (C-37)

We have already addressed the pattern and practice issue Even

though the Hearing Panel found that the three violations that occurred did

not constitute a pattern and practice of wrongdoing the Panel nevertheless

found three separate serious violations of the Code In recommending a

public reprimand the Hearing Panel found that each of the violations arose

from Judge Cohens use of office in efforts to vindicate his wife (F-2S)

The Pan~l compared Judge Cohens offense to judges using the prestige of

their office to obtain favorable treatment for relatives or friends (F-2S) The

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Panel properly concluded that a public reprimand would be the appropriate

discipline However if the Court is inclined to alter the discipline the Court

should consider whether the discipline should be enhanced to include a

suspension andor a fine because of the unique circumstances of Judge

Cohens violations

CONCLUSION

Judge Cohen admitted under oath that calling his wife as a witness in

a recusal hearing was wrong (S-Ex H ppAO 4149 50 69) As this Court

reiterated in In re Eriksson 36 So3d 580 (Fla 2010) if the Hearing Panels

findings meet the clear and convincing evidentiary test those findings are

of persuasive force and are given great weight by this Court This Court

also pointed out that the JQC is in a position to evaluate the testimony and

evidence first-hand The findings of the Hearing Panel in this matter are

based upon stipulated evidence admissions from Judge Cohen in his sworn

testimony and reasonable inferences drawn from such evidence This Court

should affirm the Hearing Panels Findings and Conclusions

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wife Holding that hearing did not benefit my wife

in any way whatsoever

Q Did it benefit you

A It didnt benefit me It wasnt part of

my thought process The reason I had the hearing

was the reason that I said -- was just trying to

clear things up When I called Melnick in his

office I just said Im just trying to clear

things up I never said anything bad about

Melnick other than when I responded to JQC because

I think there were issues of credibility I think

they had accused me of some very -- they were way

off in their accusations on their notice of

investigation And I just assumed that some of

those accusations came from Melnick And I just

wanted to paint a little better picture for them of

who Mr Melnick is Hes not the height of

credibility I like him Hes not a bad guy You

know socially hes a good guy I cant explain

Professionally I have problems Socially I have

no problem wi th Steve Melnick

Q Anything else you want to tell the panel

A I need a bathroom break

Q And are you feeling okay now

A Yeah

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representing one of these people -- and Im wrong on

this assumption Im just telling you I assumed

that he had some -- someone else was representing

these people and Melnick just came in and got me off

the case

Q Okay So this is your assumption for

which you have not a scintilla of evidence and that

is that Melnick was doing a favor for somebody else

bumping you off the case so that other lawyer could

represent these people before another judge

A That was the only thing I could think of

why he would file a motion to recuse

Q But you dont have an ounce of proof that

that was the case do you

A And it wasnt the case it

Q It wasnt the case

A It wasnt the case

Q Okay

A Im telling you what my thought process

was August of 2009

Q Okay Now we got that cleared up

A One of the lawyers in his office Valerie

Small-Williams and she had been working very hard

to get me off one of her cases but she had no

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Q You were wrong

A I was wrong No question

Q Were admitting on the stand right now

that this is pure speculation on your part and

theres not a bit of truth to it

A Theres no truth to it And that was my

thought process was that he was just trying to get

me off the case for one of his friends but that -shy

that turned out not to be the case

Q All right Judge Cohen can you

understand why a lawyer in the shoes ofmiddot Mr Melnick

who perceives himself as having gotten into an

adversarial relationship with your wife that

involved what he characterizes as a hostile

telephone conversation ending with a hang-up that

he had at least peripheral involvement in a lawsuit

in which your wife was the named defendant and he

was involved in an adversary -- with an adversarial

election person and the lawsuit actually resulted in

your wifes name being stricken from the ballot and

may have cost her the election that that whole

imbroglio might make him wonder if he should be

bringing clients before you her husband for you to

be the judge on it Do you understand how he might

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whether it was made private My question to you

were those photographs sent to the Judicial

Qualifications Investigative Panel for the sole

purpose of trying to persuade them there was

something bad about Melnick and therefore you must

be telling the truth as to how you handled this

matter

A Theres no question that theres some

type of credibility issue Ther~ were allegations

in the notice of investigation that had been made by

Mr Melnick and I wanted the JQC to understand that

it isa credibility i$sue and that your -- number

one I want you to know about my credibility and I

want you to understand about Steve Melnick so you

can make an intelligent decision I obviously

didnt want the JQC to file charges against me I

was put in a position where I had to defend myself

Q Can I assume Judge Cohen as we sit here

now that you understand that the reason for Rule

2330 saying you dont get into the truthfulness or

lack of truthfulness of whats in front of you is so

the public can have confidence that a judge is not

pitting himself or herself against somebody in front

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h~~erd my wife he would realize what he was

writing wasnt true and we would get past it

be wouldn t file them anymore and this would

clear it up I thought whatever disagreement

he had I thought if he heard from my wife and

he got to speak that would be it and it would

go

And we actually had the hearing And

heres where Im stupid because I actually

thought after thishearing I thought it was

cleared up But apparently ~ot because he

went to the chief criminal administrative judge

and complained that I had a hearing So I had

a hearing with the chief criminal

administrative judge who told me You cant

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were taught in judicial college Im going to

get to that argument I do have a right to have

a hearing

In any event once I found out he was

upset I called Melnicks office

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I didnt say one word at that recount I

didnt open my mouth at that recount I was

there to watch and support my wife who was

going through a very difficult time in her

life I mean I dont know if you have any

idea how tough it is to be involved in a

recount I mean it turned into a circus And

she had nobody And I was there at the recount

with her

I did not open my mouth once I didnt

talk to anybody at that recount I was just

physically there with her And thats all I

did

I understand about ~erception I handled

this badly I know I handled this badly I

understand its perception I dont think

legally I did anything wrong and thats why I

gave you the cases Its not - Im not an

expert on the area of disqualification Ive

only filed one motion to disqualify in 20 years

as a lawyer

I know its bad And Ive granted every

single one I just -- and I got frustrated

He carne into court and gave me three at once

and I just wanted to clear it up so that he

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wouldnt file them in the future It really

had nothing to do with my wife it was more

just clearing up steve why are you doing

this Im your friend I dont understand

And thats where I was coming from It

really had nothing to do with my wife

THE CHAIR Dr Haber

Judge Wolf

JUDGE WOLF I cant let a couple of

things go You know you came in here saying

you were trying to hold this hearing SO you

could get over the friendship -- or get your

friendship back with this guy And thats not

true It is directly in conflict with what you

just said I held a hearing to get him t6

stop filing these motions That was the

reason you held this hearing And that is

inappropriate for getting someone to stop

filing motions So youre digging yourself a

bigger grave

THE RESPONDENT Can I respond

JUDGE WOLF No

All I want to -- well Ill let you

respond The reason you held that hearing was

to get him to s~op filing motions wasnt it

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THE RESPONDENT Okay I thought that

the reason he was filing the motions was

because he was afraid that I would retaliate

against him And we were friends and if he

understood that we had a friendship and maybe

he misunderstood what was going on between him

and my wife that he wouldnt -- that it would

be okay

And thats what I thought when I left the

hearing its all cleared up he heard her

side she heard his IIAnd now you dont have

to be afraid that I couldnt be fair in your

case II

I thought that Honestly I -- I dont

have a problem recusing myself on cases I

dont own these cases I have no stake in

these cases I just its just frustrating

when somebodys your friend and thinks that you

cant be fair You know Im sure thats

happened to you And its just frustrating

And I was friends with Steve Melnick so

but youre right I mean I didnt want him

to continually file them But the reason he

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THE RESPONDENT Correct

JUDGE SILBERMAN 3(a) of the code A

judge shall hear -- Im sorry 3(b) (1) A

~udge shall hear and decide matters assigned to

the judge except those in which

disqualification is required

Do you understand that sentence

THE RESPONDENT I do

JUDGE SILBERMAN So why dont you

describe for the commission how those two

provisions fit together and support your

conducting an evidentiary hearing in which your

wife is a witness

THE RESPONDENT It doesnt Although

the only thing I could say is that I did

disqualify myself from the hearing There was

no harm well theres harm to the dommunity

I dont want to say that theres no harm but

I mean but Mr Melnick wanted

disqualification I granted his

disqualification I mean my mi~take obviously

was h~ving the hearing But that doesnt

JPPG~ ~ILBE~~~ Couldn t a p~r$on

looking at this say or conclude that you

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telling you that -shy

JUDGE SILBERMAN- Andmiddot your reo$middotpon~libility

as a judge is not to put Y01rself or the

judiciary in that position r isnt it

THE RESPONDENT Yes

JUDGE SILBERMAN Why wasmiddot your wifemiddot at

THE RESPONDENT I asked her to be there

JUDGE SILBERMAN So you provided for a

witness to attend an evidentiary hearing that

you were going to conduct

THE RESPONDENT (Moving head up amiddotnd

~UDGE SILBERMAN I canthear you

THEmiddot RESmiddotPO~NDENT Yes Yes

J-UDGE SILBEmiddotR~AN She was nomiddott under

sulgtpoena

THE RESPONDENT No

JUDGE SILBERMAN This is an evidentiary

hearing on a motion to disqualify in the ca~e

of State versus Gibbs Wheres the prosecutor

in this hearing

THE RESPONDENT They were in the

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courtroom They might not have announced but

they were in the courtroom

JUDGE SILBERMAN Did you invite them to

participate

THE RESPONDENT They were just sitting

at the prosecutors table

JUDGE SILBERMAN -Did you ask them if

they had any questions of the witness

THE RESPONDENT No

JUDGE SILBERMAN You start out the

hearing by asking your wife if she had the

opportunity to read the motion Correct

THE RESPONDENT Correct

JUDGE SILBERMAN Mr Melnick then

objects relating that-youre going to have to

make -- if you go forward with the hearing

youre going to be making determinations as to

credibility Correct

THE RESPONDENT Correct

JUDGE SILBERMAN And in fact you asked

questions of your wife Is that correct

THE RESPONDENT Thats correct

JUDGE SILBERMAN You indicated that you

knew you were supposed to recuse in this

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THE RESPONDENT correct

Well can I just -- I knew once I held

the hearing I was required to recuse

didnt -- and I knew that the whole purpose of

having the hearing again was to flush things

out But once I started the hearing I knew I

had to recuse

JUDGE SILBERMAN Was the motion legally

sufficient to require your recusal

THE RESPONDENT No

JUDGE SILBERMAN Why didnt you deny it

THE RESPONDENT At the time I thought

I thought it was legal~y sufficient at the

time I also thought I hadnt done anything

wrong at the time When I got this complaint

the notice of investigation I read the rule of

judicial administration which I wasnt aware

and I saw that I couldnt have the hearing

And I realized at that point that I made a

mistake But then in preparing for this

hearing I did some research Im more

familiar with disqualification now And now my

opinion is that the motion is not legally

sufficient At the time my opinion was that it

was legally sufficient

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concluded it was legally sufficient

THE RESPONDENT (Moving head up and

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JUDGE SILBERMAN I cant hear you

THE RESPONDENT Yes At the time - shy

JUDGE SILBERMAN So why - shy

THE RESPONDENT At the time I thought it

wasmiddotlegally sufficient

JUDGE SILBER~AN I~ you thought it was

legally sufficientwhy didnt you recuse

yourself on the spot

THE RESPONDENT Because I thought that I

had the right to hold a hearing based on the

disqualification disclosure packet from the

judicial college I didnt know that it was

required ~nder the Rule of Judicial

Administratioh I was looking at -- you know~

again Do not hold a hearing because it

doesnt require a hearing which means its

discretionary And then it says If you do

h~ld a hearing you must assume the facts are

true and that just by holding a hearing that

alone will require you to disqualify yourself

And thats why I held the hearing

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JUDGE SILBERMAN Well you said you

believed it to be legally sufficient

THE RESPONDENT Correct

JUDGE SILBERMAN In which case

I dont understand the purpose of the

hearing other than look at page seven 4(a)

Expressing displeasure with attorney for

bringing motion to disqualify may be considered

intimidation

THE RESPONDENT Right I didn t express

any displeasure

JUDGE SILBERMAN Conducting a hearing on

a matter that you already determined required

yoti to disqualify yourself is not intimidation

THE RESPONDENT It could be And I

tried to be -- you have to understand I tried

to be nice to him during this hearing I

wasnt going after him and making him feel bad

because he was filing the motion I was just

~rying to flush otit the facts And I said that

in the hearing Im just trying to flush

everything out so that everybody knows

Because we were friends before we can still be

friends And thats why I did it

I didnt study -- you have to understand

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JUDGE SILBERMAN On page 13 of the

transcript after theres a dialogue again with

Mr Melnick you then state I dont think I

have to make any kind of ruling as to the

factual dispute Is that correct

THE RESPONDENT Correct

JUDGE SILBERMAN In which case again

there was no legally justifiable purpose for

this hearing Is that correct

THE RESPONDENT Yes Yeah theres no

legalJy justifiable purpose correct It wasmiddot

more a moral thing

JUDGE SILBERMAN I was

THE RESPONDENT It was personal It

wasnt -- but it wasnt personal in a negative

way I wasnt attacking the man I was

friends with the man Its hard to explain

when youre a judge and youre friends with

people and then because of an election that

has nothing to do with you now people are

attacking you

But I realize I had no business holding

that hearing And if it looks like because I

held the hearing that alone is intimidation

that really wasnt -- that thought never

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dont know what else

Q Thats fine Ill -- Ill get you back

to where we want to go

A Okay

Q Now it was a little after noon I

believe you said when you arrived in your husbands

courtroom

A Correct

Q Okay And at about 1230 your husband

adjourned and told everyone to come back at 130

Correct

A Correct

Q Okay And then you went to lunch with

him

A Correct

Q All right Just the two of you at lunchZ

A Right

Q All right And your husband asked you to

return to the courtroom with him at 130 Correct

A No He asked me if I was coming back to

the courthouse And I told him that I had hearing

at 130 And he asked me if when I was done if I

would come back into -- come back to his courtroom

A lot of times he would ask me to do that because

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might find interesting or a motion to suppress or

an attorneys arguments are interesting or

whatever -- just for interest So he would let me

know ahead of time And so thats why when he said

you know Will you come back after your hearing I

had agreed I would

Q So during your hour long lunch with your

husband you did not discuss the motion -- the

recusal motion that Mr Melnick had filed in the

Gibbs case

A No

Q No discussion of that whatsoever

A No

Q And you did not -- he did not even tell

you that he was going to -- planning to call you as

a wi tness did he

A No

Q Just came as a total shock to you

A Yes

Q Okay And we do have a transcript I

believe thats in the record here of that and

weve been through that already and I dont need to

belabor that with you All right Now-shy

A Im not sure I understand I just want

to be really clear on everything What do you mean

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the back door because my office would be on the

other side of the back door And when were leaving

the courtroom I just asked her Can you corne back

at 130 She told me she had a hearing with Judge

Gates at 130 and then she said she would corne by

as soon as that hearing with Judge Gates was over

JUDGE MENENDEZ Could I corne back and

ask a question now

THE CHAIR Okay with you

JUDGE WARREN Yeah Go ahead

EXAMINATION

BY JUDGE MENENDEZ

Q Did you have any discussions with your

wife over the fact that this lawyer Mr Melnick

was filing all these motions when he was alleging

that she had threatened him during a phone call

A If I did it would have been -shy

Q At anytime

A a year and a half earlier when he

fir s t f i led it

Q Okay And did that concern her at all

as far as expressing any concern to you about it

A This was a very minor instance Like my

wife said this was like middota meaningless event She

had run two campaigns where theres serious issues

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with serious candidates violating rules that really

needed attention This was -- she called Melnick

up she said You cant have re-elect You

cant ~- you need to say retain He changed it

and that was it I mean Melnick corrected it right

away My wife called him right away and said you

know Youre violating the rules It was

corrected and that was the end of it

Q There was apparently a disagreement at

the hearing between Mr Melnick and your wife where

I thought that her initial testimony at the hearing

before you was that she had called him because there

was a disclaimer missing from some advertisement for

Judge Dijols and then Mr Melnick contradicted her

on that and said No it didnt deal with the

disclaimer It dealt with the re-elect versus

retain

A Exactly The disclaimer on ~very

political advertisement says This ad has been

approved by the candidate This shows that my wife

and I didnt discuss it Because my wife didnt

ev~n get the issue right If I had discussed this

with my wife she would have known what the issue

was and she would have been correct ~n her

testimony

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Q So you credited Mr Melnicks credibility

rather than hers

A Melnick was right Hey look you

know

Q All right

A But if my wife and I talked about it she

would have gotten it right she came to court and

she had no idea and

Q Well she had some idea didnt she that

you were going

A She knew she was coming to a hearing

Q About the motions to recuse

A About Melnick

Q And his motions to recuse

A Yes

Q Okay You did tell her that ahead of

time In fact Mr Schneider phrased it says We

got another one of those Would you mind coming and

testifying And you said That was probably

exactly what was said

A Well I -- I didnt remember

QPage 62

A I asked her can you -- can you come

back I dont know that my wife knew that Melnick

had filed -- theres no way she didnt know

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theres no way she knew because I dont discuss

these things with her I just sign them and go on

I dont give my wife a recount of everything I do

every day

Q I thought a minute ago you said you had

some discussions with her -shy

A Maybe when he first filed it a year and a

half earlier but since then I never

Q Well she was aware that he had accused

her of threatening him in at least one motion to

recuse

A Yeah

Q Okay

A Yeah Yeah

Q And that - - the way Mr Schneider phrased

it he said Was there communication to the fact

that quote unquote weve got another one of

those Would you mind coming to testify

A Well those arent my words Those are

Mr Schneiders

Q They are but you said that was probably

exactly what was said

A The substance You know its -- I -- I

dont know

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A Those arent my words I mean I dont

use those words But I said Can you come back

You know Im doing a hearing on Melnicks motion to

recuse

Q But you did ask her to come to court and

she did know that she was coming to court to talk

about the motion

A I dont think she knew that she was going

to be testifying but she knew she was coming to

court and it was on Melnicks motion

JUDGE WARREN Nothing r

EXAMINATION

BY MR DUNKINSON

Q I want to continue with that before I ask

my other questions I apologize because Im the

layperson here so I have a lot of -shy

THE CHAIR Mr Catalano has pointed that

out

Q I want to make sure I understand this

because I just -- Im very confused about the

conversation with you and your wife and what the

judges have asked Page 61 this is your quote not

Schneiders I probably told her -- I may have

told her that you know Steves filed a motion to

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conversation are we talking about Is that not the

phone conversation that were talking about

A Right That would have been the phone

conversation

Q So at that point which is at your lunch

or before your lunch your wife knew what you were

going to be asking her to do Because you then

say -- or Mr Schneider says on 62 There was a

communication of the fact that quote Weve got

another one of these Would you mind coming to

testify And you again said That was probably

exactly what was saiq

A I didnt remember specifically what I had

told her I mean if you look at Line 17 on 61 I

say I probably told her and then I say I may have

told her I didnt remember exactly what I told

her I just know that I told her I was doing a

motion to recuse at 130 and if she could come back

and specifically I didnt remember

Q All right So those statements you -shy

are you now saying that those statements are not

correct Is that what youre saying

A No Im saying -shy

Q Are you retracting those

A -- I may have told her I probably -- I

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dont remember specifically what I told her a year

and a half ago

Q I understand

A But when this happened when I gave this

statement and I think it was November -- yeah

November I wasnt a hundred percent what I told

her August 6th

Q All right Well the only point is you

know in her testimony yesterday as well as yours

both of you denied that you had any conversation

about it

A No I asked her to come back at 130

Q She claimed she knew nothing about what

it was about

A She didnt know I was going to be calling

her as

Q Implied that she did

A -- a witness

THE CHAIR Lets each of you finish

talking and the other can answer

Q All right Question the motion to

recuse again I dont know this but I have a

limited understanding -- can it not be the lawyer

that has an issue with you in addition to the

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I didnt study this disquaiification and

disclosure I justwent by what I learned at

judicial college two years earlier You know

I -- its impossible to know everything they

teach you at judicial college They give you

2000 pages worth of material for Session A

they give you 2000 pages of material for

Session B and were going to make mistakes

THE CHAIR I hate to interrupt When

did you go to judicial college

THE RE$PONDENT I went March I guess

2007 and -shy

THE CHAIR Did you just put these in a

closet and not read them

I mean I dont want to hear 2000

pages

Im sorry Judge

JUDGE SILBERMAN As ~e sit heremiddot today

do you agree that you violated Canons 3 3 (b)

the provisions that we went through

THE RESPONDENT Ye~

JUDGE SILBERMAN Canon 2(a) A Judge

sha-lmiddotl relJpect and aomply wi-th the Lawmiddot and sha]l

public conpoundidence and the integrity and ~

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JUDGE SILBERMAN Do you believe t~a t

yqur conduct is in violation of Canon 2(a)

THE RESPONDENT yemiddots bull

don t believe was on the nmiddototice of

investigation but I do think it s pertinent i

UA judge smiddothall not allow f amily smiddotocial

pcgtlitical or other relationshipmiddotsmiddot to influente

t~e judges judicial conduct or judgmenmiddott II

Do you think that someone cmiddotould look at

Y9u r conduct and say 11 Sounds like there s a

pzolgtlem with 2 (b) as wellmiddot II

THE RESPONDENT You know I just -- Im

going to say yes I just -- you know I made

it very careful that I would not -- I didnt

comment on my wifes testimony I didnt say

liMy wife is right and youre wrong I believe

my wife II I just -- I didnt go anywhere near

there I just backed off and said IIIm not

making any rulings Your motions granted

I just tried to clear this matter up We

were friends before And thats what I did

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JUDGE FREEMAN So they were not trying

to participate Right

THE RESPONDENT No No they werent

trying to participate

JUDGE FREEMAN Had the State Attorneys

Office ever request that you have that hearing

THE RESPONDENT No

JUDGE FREEMAN Had the State Attorneys

Office ever objected to the motion to recuse

THE RESPONDENT No

JUDGE FREEMAN Thank you

THE CHAIR Mr Morales

MR MORALES Your Honor one thing

Obviously whats legally sufficient for a

layperson I dont -- Ill leave that to the

judges and the lawyers but the fact that you

happened to go t~lunch with your wife that day

and you said Oh why dont you come on by

Were going to have this little hearing do

you think thats appropriate

THE RESPONDENT I didnt I dont -shy

its not -- the whole thing is not appropriate

The fact that I had the hearing I know is not

appropriate Probably not

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Hey Im going to have a hearing after lunch

Why dont you come by and testify

THE RESPONDENT No

MR MORALES Okay You thought you

should have had this hearing

THE RESPONDENT At the time yes now

no But-shy

MR MORALES Youre going to take a

li~t~e time the next time and think about what

youre doing

THE RESPONDENT It wasnt my intent -shy

you have to understand it wasnt my intent I

wouldnt have called the guy like a couple of

days later and said Im sorry I told him

the whole thing blew up My intent was just to

repair a friendship I just

MR MORALES Repairing your f~iendship

seems to work a lot better when youre sitti~g

down talking to somebody over a cold beer or -shy

either that or just sitting in your chambers

Hey lets talk about this

THE RESPONDENT I know But if it goes

bad then theyre saying youre berating them

in chambers I just should have let it go and

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JUDGE SILVERNAIL Well is that the only

reason you think it was inappropriate

THE RESPONDENT I do think his motion

was legally insufficient and I should have

just denied it as legally insufficient and

closed the book on that case

JUDGE SILVERNAIL Okay That answers my

questions Thank you

THE RESPONDENT Okay Thank you

THE CHAIR Anybody anything else

Judge do you want to close wrap up

THE RESPONDENT No I -- I do I do

At the time I held the hearing I thought

I had the right to hold the hearing based on my

misinterpretation on what I learned at judge

school I knew that I had to grant the motion

just by the fact that I held the hearing

When I came in her~ today I legally

still think I could have held the hearing but

for different reasons because the motion was

legally insufficient based on the case law and

the research that Ive done I didnt think

about the questions that you all have posed me

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Gibbs and Butler under oath and interrogated them about the recusal

motions filed by Attorney Melnick Judge Cohen may not have

intended to retaliate against Attorney Melnick but these proceedings

had the appearance of impropriety and were used by the Judge to

convey the public impression that his wife was right and Melnick

wrong

Judge Cohen challenges these facts with this argument (C-6)

The facts found on page 19 through 20 of the JQCs Findings Conclusions and Recommendations are argumentative and conclusory and Judge Cohen does not agree to that rendition of the facts Specifically Judge Cohen did not make a misplaced personal attack on Stephen Melnick Judge Cohen did not intend to embarrass and intimidate Melnick to prevent him from filing recusal moti~ns that would reflect poorly on Mardi Levey Cohen

Unfortunately for Judge Cohen the Hearing Panels Findings of Fact

are based upon stipulated evidence together with Judge Cohens own

testimony and admissions That evidence is beyond clear and convincing

These factual conclusions are permissible inferences drawn from the

foregoing clear and convincing evidence

Issue I The Pattern and Practice Issue (C-7)

Judge Cohen advances a contorted argument that the Hearing Panel

was required to find a pattern and practice of wrongdoing and in the

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absence of such a finding there can be no finding that Judge Cohen violated

the Code

This argument falls of its own weight Essentially the JQC alleged

Code violations arising from two separate legal matters State v Gibbs and

State v Butler The Hearing Panel found violations arising from each of

those hearings and also found that it was a violation of the Code for Judge

Cohen to make a personal attack on Attorney Melnick before the

Investigative Panel Those are three separate violations Each stands on its

own That the Hearing Panel did not find that those three separate violations

constituted a pattern and practice does not negate the finding that each of

those findings constituted a separate violation

On page 10 of his reply Judge Cohen argues that the JQC must

prove all elements of an offense or the cause of action There is no cause of

action here Instead facts are alleged and facts are proven and the Hearing

Panel reaches a conclusion as to whether those facts transgress one or more

provisions of the Code Judge Cohens efforts to compare this JQC

proceeding to an ordinary civil or criminal case fails

Issue II - Whether the Hearing Panel Made Factual Findings that Are not Supported by Clear and Convincing Evidence (C-14)

This argument is already refuted above But again the short answer

is that the JQCs findings are based on the parties stipulated facts and

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stipulated documents and on Judge Cohens own sworn testimony and

admissions both before the Investigative Panel and at the trial The

stipulated evidence and the admissions out of the respondents own mouth

clearly exceed the clear and convincing standard and even exceed beyond

a reasonable doubt because the evidence consists of facts the parties agreed

were true and admissions that Judge Cohen made himself under oath On

pages 14-29 of his reply Judge Cohen merely re-argues facts that have

already been found against him based on evidence that is far more

conclusive than evidence that merely meets the clear and convincing

standard

Issue Ill Whether the Court Should Reduce the Sanction to Admonishment Because the Hearing Panel Found no Pattern and

Practice of Misconduct (C-37)

We have already addressed the pattern and practice issue Even

though the Hearing Panel found that the three violations that occurred did

not constitute a pattern and practice of wrongdoing the Panel nevertheless

found three separate serious violations of the Code In recommending a

public reprimand the Hearing Panel found that each of the violations arose

from Judge Cohens use of office in efforts to vindicate his wife (F-2S)

The Pan~l compared Judge Cohens offense to judges using the prestige of

their office to obtain favorable treatment for relatives or friends (F-2S) The

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Panel properly concluded that a public reprimand would be the appropriate

discipline However if the Court is inclined to alter the discipline the Court

should consider whether the discipline should be enhanced to include a

suspension andor a fine because of the unique circumstances of Judge

Cohens violations

CONCLUSION

Judge Cohen admitted under oath that calling his wife as a witness in

a recusal hearing was wrong (S-Ex H ppAO 4149 50 69) As this Court

reiterated in In re Eriksson 36 So3d 580 (Fla 2010) if the Hearing Panels

findings meet the clear and convincing evidentiary test those findings are

of persuasive force and are given great weight by this Court This Court

also pointed out that the JQC is in a position to evaluate the testimony and

evidence first-hand The findings of the Hearing Panel in this matter are

based upon stipulated evidence admissions from Judge Cohen in his sworn

testimony and reasonable inferences drawn from such evidence This Court

should affirm the Hearing Panels Findings and Conclusions

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wife Holding that hearing did not benefit my wife

in any way whatsoever

Q Did it benefit you

A It didnt benefit me It wasnt part of

my thought process The reason I had the hearing

was the reason that I said -- was just trying to

clear things up When I called Melnick in his

office I just said Im just trying to clear

things up I never said anything bad about

Melnick other than when I responded to JQC because

I think there were issues of credibility I think

they had accused me of some very -- they were way

off in their accusations on their notice of

investigation And I just assumed that some of

those accusations came from Melnick And I just

wanted to paint a little better picture for them of

who Mr Melnick is Hes not the height of

credibility I like him Hes not a bad guy You

know socially hes a good guy I cant explain

Professionally I have problems Socially I have

no problem wi th Steve Melnick

Q Anything else you want to tell the panel

A I need a bathroom break

Q And are you feeling okay now

A Yeah

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representing one of these people -- and Im wrong on

this assumption Im just telling you I assumed

that he had some -- someone else was representing

these people and Melnick just came in and got me off

the case

Q Okay So this is your assumption for

which you have not a scintilla of evidence and that

is that Melnick was doing a favor for somebody else

bumping you off the case so that other lawyer could

represent these people before another judge

A That was the only thing I could think of

why he would file a motion to recuse

Q But you dont have an ounce of proof that

that was the case do you

A And it wasnt the case it

Q It wasnt the case

A It wasnt the case

Q Okay

A Im telling you what my thought process

was August of 2009

Q Okay Now we got that cleared up

A One of the lawyers in his office Valerie

Small-Williams and she had been working very hard

to get me off one of her cases but she had no

grounds And I had thought that this was one of

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those cases But I was wrong

Q You were wrong

A I was wrong No question

Q Were admitting on the stand right now

that this is pure speculation on your part and

theres not a bit of truth to it

A Theres no truth to it And that was my

thought process was that he was just trying to get

me off the case for one of his friends but that -shy

that turned out not to be the case

Q All right Judge Cohen can you

understand why a lawyer in the shoes ofmiddot Mr Melnick

who perceives himself as having gotten into an

adversarial relationship with your wife that

involved what he characterizes as a hostile

telephone conversation ending with a hang-up that

he had at least peripheral involvement in a lawsuit

in which your wife was the named defendant and he

was involved in an adversary -- with an adversarial

election person and the lawsuit actually resulted in

your wifes name being stricken from the ballot and

may have cost her the election that that whole

imbroglio might make him wonder if he should be

bringing clients before you her husband for you to

be the judge on it Do you understand how he might

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whether it was made private My question to you

were those photographs sent to the Judicial

Qualifications Investigative Panel for the sole

purpose of trying to persuade them there was

something bad about Melnick and therefore you must

be telling the truth as to how you handled this

matter

A Theres no question that theres some

type of credibility issue Ther~ were allegations

in the notice of investigation that had been made by

Mr Melnick and I wanted the JQC to understand that

it isa credibility i$sue and that your -- number

one I want you to know about my credibility and I

want you to understand about Steve Melnick so you

can make an intelligent decision I obviously

didnt want the JQC to file charges against me I

was put in a position where I had to defend myself

Q Can I assume Judge Cohen as we sit here

now that you understand that the reason for Rule

2330 saying you dont get into the truthfulness or

lack of truthfulness of whats in front of you is so

the public can have confidence that a judge is not

pitting himself or herself against somebody in front

of them

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h~~erd my wife he would realize what he was

writing wasnt true and we would get past it

be wouldn t file them anymore and this would

clear it up I thought whatever disagreement

he had I thought if he heard from my wife and

he got to speak that would be it and it would

go

And we actually had the hearing And

heres where Im stupid because I actually

thought after thishearing I thought it was

cleared up But apparently ~ot because he

went to the chief criminal administrative judge

and complained that I had a hearing So I had

a hearing with the chief criminal

administrative judge who told me You cant

have hearings if somebody files a motion to

recuse II

And I told Ilona Holmes thats not what

were taught in judicial college Im going to

get to that argument I do have a right to have

a hearing

In any event once I found out he was

upset I called Melnicks office

apologized I told hirq the only reason that I

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I didnt say one word at that recount I

didnt open my mouth at that recount I was

there to watch and support my wife who was

going through a very difficult time in her

life I mean I dont know if you have any

idea how tough it is to be involved in a

recount I mean it turned into a circus And

she had nobody And I was there at the recount

with her

I did not open my mouth once I didnt

talk to anybody at that recount I was just

physically there with her And thats all I

did

I understand about ~erception I handled

this badly I know I handled this badly I

understand its perception I dont think

legally I did anything wrong and thats why I

gave you the cases Its not - Im not an

expert on the area of disqualification Ive

only filed one motion to disqualify in 20 years

as a lawyer

I know its bad And Ive granted every

single one I just -- and I got frustrated

He carne into court and gave me three at once

and I just wanted to clear it up so that he

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wouldnt file them in the future It really

had nothing to do with my wife it was more

just clearing up steve why are you doing

this Im your friend I dont understand

And thats where I was coming from It

really had nothing to do with my wife

THE CHAIR Dr Haber

Judge Wolf

JUDGE WOLF I cant let a couple of

things go You know you came in here saying

you were trying to hold this hearing SO you

could get over the friendship -- or get your

friendship back with this guy And thats not

true It is directly in conflict with what you

just said I held a hearing to get him t6

stop filing these motions That was the

reason you held this hearing And that is

inappropriate for getting someone to stop

filing motions So youre digging yourself a

bigger grave

THE RESPONDENT Can I respond

JUDGE WOLF No

All I want to -- well Ill let you

respond The reason you held that hearing was

to get him to s~op filing motions wasnt it

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THE RESPONDENT Okay I thought that

the reason he was filing the motions was

because he was afraid that I would retaliate

against him And we were friends and if he

understood that we had a friendship and maybe

he misunderstood what was going on between him

and my wife that he wouldnt -- that it would

be okay

And thats what I thought when I left the

hearing its all cleared up he heard her

side she heard his IIAnd now you dont have

to be afraid that I couldnt be fair in your

case II

I thought that Honestly I -- I dont

have a problem recusing myself on cases I

dont own these cases I have no stake in

these cases I just its just frustrating

when somebodys your friend and thinks that you

cant be fair You know Im sure thats

happened to you And its just frustrating

And I was friends with Steve Melnick so

but youre right I mean I didnt want him

to continually file them But the reason he

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THE RESPONDENT Correct

JUDGE SILBERMAN 3(a) of the code A

judge shall hear -- Im sorry 3(b) (1) A

~udge shall hear and decide matters assigned to

the judge except those in which

disqualification is required

Do you understand that sentence

THE RESPONDENT I do

JUDGE SILBERMAN So why dont you

describe for the commission how those two

provisions fit together and support your

conducting an evidentiary hearing in which your

wife is a witness

THE RESPONDENT It doesnt Although

the only thing I could say is that I did

disqualify myself from the hearing There was

no harm well theres harm to the dommunity

I dont want to say that theres no harm but

I mean but Mr Melnick wanted

disqualification I granted his

disqualification I mean my mi~take obviously

was h~ving the hearing But that doesnt

JPPG~ ~ILBE~~~ Couldn t a p~r$on

looking at this say or conclude that you

conducted the hearing in order to intimidate

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JUDGE SILBERMAN- Andmiddot your reo$middotpon~libility

as a judge is not to put Y01rself or the

judiciary in that position r isnt it

THE RESPONDENT Yes

JUDGE SILBERMAN Why wasmiddot your wifemiddot at

THE RESPONDENT I asked her to be there

JUDGE SILBERMAN So you provided for a

witness to attend an evidentiary hearing that

you were going to conduct

THE RESPONDENT (Moving head up amiddotnd

~UDGE SILBERMAN I canthear you

THEmiddot RESmiddotPO~NDENT Yes Yes

J-UDGE SILBEmiddotR~AN She was nomiddott under

sulgtpoena

THE RESPONDENT No

JUDGE SILBERMAN This is an evidentiary

hearing on a motion to disqualify in the ca~e

of State versus Gibbs Wheres the prosecutor

in this hearing

THE RESPONDENT They were in the

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they were in the courtroom

JUDGE SILBERMAN Did you invite them to

participate

THE RESPONDENT They were just sitting

at the prosecutors table

JUDGE SILBERMAN -Did you ask them if

they had any questions of the witness

THE RESPONDENT No

JUDGE SILBERMAN You start out the

hearing by asking your wife if she had the

opportunity to read the motion Correct

THE RESPONDENT Correct

JUDGE SILBERMAN Mr Melnick then

objects relating that-youre going to have to

make -- if you go forward with the hearing

youre going to be making determinations as to

credibility Correct

THE RESPONDENT Correct

JUDGE SILBERMAN And in fact you asked

questions of your wife Is that correct

THE RESPONDENT Thats correct

JUDGE SILBERMAN You indicated that you

knew you were supposed to recuse in this

matter

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Well can I just -- I knew once I held

the hearing I was required to recuse

didnt -- and I knew that the whole purpose of

having the hearing again was to flush things

out But once I started the hearing I knew I

had to recuse

JUDGE SILBERMAN Was the motion legally

sufficient to require your recusal

THE RESPONDENT No

JUDGE SILBERMAN Why didnt you deny it

THE RESPONDENT At the time I thought

I thought it was legal~y sufficient at the

time I also thought I hadnt done anything

wrong at the time When I got this complaint

the notice of investigation I read the rule of

judicial administration which I wasnt aware

and I saw that I couldnt have the hearing

And I realized at that point that I made a

mistake But then in preparing for this

hearing I did some research Im more

familiar with disqualification now And now my

opinion is that the motion is not legally

sufficient At the time my opinion was that it

was legally sufficient

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concluded it was legally sufficient

THE RESPONDENT (Moving head up and

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JUDGE SILBERMAN I cant hear you

THE RESPONDENT Yes At the time - shy

JUDGE SILBERMAN So why - shy

THE RESPONDENT At the time I thought it

wasmiddotlegally sufficient

JUDGE SILBER~AN I~ you thought it was

legally sufficientwhy didnt you recuse

yourself on the spot

THE RESPONDENT Because I thought that I

had the right to hold a hearing based on the

disqualification disclosure packet from the

judicial college I didnt know that it was

required ~nder the Rule of Judicial

Administratioh I was looking at -- you know~

again Do not hold a hearing because it

doesnt require a hearing which means its

discretionary And then it says If you do

h~ld a hearing you must assume the facts are

true and that just by holding a hearing that

alone will require you to disqualify yourself

And thats why I held the hearing

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JUDGE SILBERMAN Well you said you

believed it to be legally sufficient

THE RESPONDENT Correct

JUDGE SILBERMAN In which case

I dont understand the purpose of the

hearing other than look at page seven 4(a)

Expressing displeasure with attorney for

bringing motion to disqualify may be considered

intimidation

THE RESPONDENT Right I didn t express

any displeasure

JUDGE SILBERMAN Conducting a hearing on

a matter that you already determined required

yoti to disqualify yourself is not intimidation

THE RESPONDENT It could be And I

tried to be -- you have to understand I tried

to be nice to him during this hearing I

wasnt going after him and making him feel bad

because he was filing the motion I was just

~rying to flush otit the facts And I said that

in the hearing Im just trying to flush

everything out so that everybody knows

Because we were friends before we can still be

friends And thats why I did it

I didnt study -- you have to understand

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transcript after theres a dialogue again with

Mr Melnick you then state I dont think I

have to make any kind of ruling as to the

factual dispute Is that correct

THE RESPONDENT Correct

JUDGE SILBERMAN In which case again

there was no legally justifiable purpose for

this hearing Is that correct

THE RESPONDENT Yes Yeah theres no

legalJy justifiable purpose correct It wasmiddot

more a moral thing

JUDGE SILBERMAN I was

THE RESPONDENT It was personal It

wasnt -- but it wasnt personal in a negative

way I wasnt attacking the man I was

friends with the man Its hard to explain

when youre a judge and youre friends with

people and then because of an election that

has nothing to do with you now people are

attacking you

But I realize I had no business holding

that hearing And if it looks like because I

held the hearing that alone is intimidation

that really wasnt -- that thought never

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dont know what else

Q Thats fine Ill -- Ill get you back

to where we want to go

A Okay

Q Now it was a little after noon I

believe you said when you arrived in your husbands

courtroom

A Correct

Q Okay And at about 1230 your husband

adjourned and told everyone to come back at 130

Correct

A Correct

Q Okay And then you went to lunch with

him

A Correct

Q All right Just the two of you at lunchZ

A Right

Q All right And your husband asked you to

return to the courtroom with him at 130 Correct

A No He asked me if I was coming back to

the courthouse And I told him that I had hearing

at 130 And he asked me if when I was done if I

would come back into -- come back to his courtroom

A lot of times he would ask me to do that because

there was maybe a closing argument that he thought I L

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might find interesting or a motion to suppress or

an attorneys arguments are interesting or

whatever -- just for interest So he would let me

know ahead of time And so thats why when he said

you know Will you come back after your hearing I

had agreed I would

Q So during your hour long lunch with your

husband you did not discuss the motion -- the

recusal motion that Mr Melnick had filed in the

Gibbs case

A No

Q No discussion of that whatsoever

A No

Q And you did not -- he did not even tell

you that he was going to -- planning to call you as

a wi tness did he

A No

Q Just came as a total shock to you

A Yes

Q Okay And we do have a transcript I

believe thats in the record here of that and

weve been through that already and I dont need to

belabor that with you All right Now-shy

A Im not sure I understand I just want

to be really clear on everything What do you mean

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the back door because my office would be on the

other side of the back door And when were leaving

the courtroom I just asked her Can you corne back

at 130 She told me she had a hearing with Judge

Gates at 130 and then she said she would corne by

as soon as that hearing with Judge Gates was over

JUDGE MENENDEZ Could I corne back and

ask a question now

THE CHAIR Okay with you

JUDGE WARREN Yeah Go ahead

EXAMINATION

BY JUDGE MENENDEZ

Q Did you have any discussions with your

wife over the fact that this lawyer Mr Melnick

was filing all these motions when he was alleging

that she had threatened him during a phone call

A If I did it would have been -shy

Q At anytime

A a year and a half earlier when he

fir s t f i led it

Q Okay And did that concern her at all

as far as expressing any concern to you about it

A This was a very minor instance Like my

wife said this was like middota meaningless event She

had run two campaigns where theres serious issues

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with serious candidates violating rules that really

needed attention This was -- she called Melnick

up she said You cant have re-elect You

cant ~- you need to say retain He changed it

and that was it I mean Melnick corrected it right

away My wife called him right away and said you

know Youre violating the rules It was

corrected and that was the end of it

Q There was apparently a disagreement at

the hearing between Mr Melnick and your wife where

I thought that her initial testimony at the hearing

before you was that she had called him because there

was a disclaimer missing from some advertisement for

Judge Dijols and then Mr Melnick contradicted her

on that and said No it didnt deal with the

disclaimer It dealt with the re-elect versus

retain

A Exactly The disclaimer on ~very

political advertisement says This ad has been

approved by the candidate This shows that my wife

and I didnt discuss it Because my wife didnt

ev~n get the issue right If I had discussed this

with my wife she would have known what the issue

was and she would have been correct ~n her

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Q So you credited Mr Melnicks credibility

rather than hers

A Melnick was right Hey look you

know

Q All right

A But if my wife and I talked about it she

would have gotten it right she came to court and

she had no idea and

Q Well she had some idea didnt she that

you were going

A She knew she was coming to a hearing

Q About the motions to recuse

A About Melnick

Q And his motions to recuse

A Yes

Q Okay You did tell her that ahead of

time In fact Mr Schneider phrased it says We

got another one of those Would you mind coming and

testifying And you said That was probably

exactly what was said

A Well I -- I didnt remember

QPage 62

A I asked her can you -- can you come

back I dont know that my wife knew that Melnick

had filed -- theres no way she didnt know

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theres no way she knew because I dont discuss

these things with her I just sign them and go on

I dont give my wife a recount of everything I do

every day

Q I thought a minute ago you said you had

some discussions with her -shy

A Maybe when he first filed it a year and a

half earlier but since then I never

Q Well she was aware that he had accused

her of threatening him in at least one motion to

recuse

A Yeah

Q Okay

A Yeah Yeah

Q And that - - the way Mr Schneider phrased

it he said Was there communication to the fact

that quote unquote weve got another one of

those Would you mind coming to testify

A Well those arent my words Those are

Mr Schneiders

Q They are but you said that was probably

exactly what was said

A The substance You know its -- I -- I

dont know

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A Those arent my words I mean I dont

use those words But I said Can you come back

You know Im doing a hearing on Melnicks motion to

recuse

Q But you did ask her to come to court and

she did know that she was coming to court to talk

about the motion

A I dont think she knew that she was going

to be testifying but she knew she was coming to

court and it was on Melnicks motion

JUDGE WARREN Nothing r

EXAMINATION

BY MR DUNKINSON

Q I want to continue with that before I ask

my other questions I apologize because Im the

layperson here so I have a lot of -shy

THE CHAIR Mr Catalano has pointed that

out

Q I want to make sure I understand this

because I just -- Im very confused about the

conversation with you and your wife and what the

judges have asked Page 61 this is your quote not

Schneiders I probably told her -- I may have

told her that you know Steves filed a motion to

recuse based on that conversation What L

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conversation are we talking about Is that not the

phone conversation that were talking about

A Right That would have been the phone

conversation

Q So at that point which is at your lunch

or before your lunch your wife knew what you were

going to be asking her to do Because you then

say -- or Mr Schneider says on 62 There was a

communication of the fact that quote Weve got

another one of these Would you mind coming to

testify And you again said That was probably

exactly what was saiq

A I didnt remember specifically what I had

told her I mean if you look at Line 17 on 61 I

say I probably told her and then I say I may have

told her I didnt remember exactly what I told

her I just know that I told her I was doing a

motion to recuse at 130 and if she could come back

and specifically I didnt remember

Q All right So those statements you -shy

are you now saying that those statements are not

correct Is that what youre saying

A No Im saying -shy

Q Are you retracting those

A -- I may have told her I probably -- I

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dont remember specifically Certainly today I

dont remember specifically what I told her a year

and a half ago

Q I understand

A But when this happened when I gave this

statement and I think it was November -- yeah

November I wasnt a hundred percent what I told

her August 6th

Q All right Well the only point is you

know in her testimony yesterday as well as yours

both of you denied that you had any conversation

about it

A No I asked her to come back at 130

Q She claimed she knew nothing about what

it was about

A She didnt know I was going to be calling

her as

Q Implied that she did

A -- a witness

THE CHAIR Lets each of you finish

talking and the other can answer

Q All right Question the motion to

recuse again I dont know this but I have a

limited understanding -- can it not be the lawyer

that has an issue with you in addition to the

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I didnt study this disquaiification and

disclosure I justwent by what I learned at

judicial college two years earlier You know

I -- its impossible to know everything they

teach you at judicial college They give you

2000 pages worth of material for Session A

they give you 2000 pages of material for

Session B and were going to make mistakes

THE CHAIR I hate to interrupt When

did you go to judicial college

THE RE$PONDENT I went March I guess

2007 and -shy

THE CHAIR Did you just put these in a

closet and not read them

I mean I dont want to hear 2000

pages

Im sorry Judge

JUDGE SILBERMAN As ~e sit heremiddot today

do you agree that you violated Canons 3 3 (b)

the provisions that we went through

THE RESPONDENT Ye~

JUDGE SILBERMAN Canon 2(a) A Judge

sha-lmiddotl relJpect and aomply wi-th the Lawmiddot and sha]l

public conpoundidence and the integrity and ~

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JUDGE SILBERMAN Do you believe t~a t

yqur conduct is in violation of Canon 2(a)

THE RESPONDENT yemiddots bull

don t believe was on the nmiddototice of

investigation but I do think it s pertinent i

UA judge smiddothall not allow f amily smiddotocial

pcgtlitical or other relationshipmiddotsmiddot to influente

t~e judges judicial conduct or judgmenmiddott II

Do you think that someone cmiddotould look at

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pzolgtlem with 2 (b) as wellmiddot II

THE RESPONDENT You know I just -- Im

going to say yes I just -- you know I made

it very careful that I would not -- I didnt

comment on my wifes testimony I didnt say

liMy wife is right and youre wrong I believe

my wife II I just -- I didnt go anywhere near

there I just backed off and said IIIm not

making any rulings Your motions granted

I just tried to clear this matter up We

were friends before And thats what I did

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JUDGE FREEMAN So they were not trying

to participate Right

THE RESPONDENT No No they werent

trying to participate

JUDGE FREEMAN Had the State Attorneys

Office ever request that you have that hearing

THE RESPONDENT No

JUDGE FREEMAN Had the State Attorneys

Office ever objected to the motion to recuse

THE RESPONDENT No

JUDGE FREEMAN Thank you

THE CHAIR Mr Morales

MR MORALES Your Honor one thing

Obviously whats legally sufficient for a

layperson I dont -- Ill leave that to the

judges and the lawyers but the fact that you

happened to go t~lunch with your wife that day

and you said Oh why dont you come on by

Were going to have this little hearing do

you think thats appropriate

THE RESPONDENT I didnt I dont -shy

its not -- the whole thing is not appropriate

The fact that I had the hearing I know is not

appropriate Probably not

MR MORALES Have you ever heard of

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Hey Im going to have a hearing after lunch

Why dont you come by and testify

THE RESPONDENT No

MR MORALES Okay You thought you

should have had this hearing

THE RESPONDENT At the time yes now

no But-shy

MR MORALES Youre going to take a

li~t~e time the next time and think about what

youre doing

THE RESPONDENT It wasnt my intent -shy

you have to understand it wasnt my intent I

wouldnt have called the guy like a couple of

days later and said Im sorry I told him

the whole thing blew up My intent was just to

repair a friendship I just

MR MORALES Repairing your f~iendship

seems to work a lot better when youre sitti~g

down talking to somebody over a cold beer or -shy

either that or just sitting in your chambers

Hey lets talk about this

THE RESPONDENT I know But if it goes

bad then theyre saying youre berating them

in chambers I just should have let it go and

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JUDGE SILVERNAIL Well is that the only

reason you think it was inappropriate

THE RESPONDENT I do think his motion

was legally insufficient and I should have

just denied it as legally insufficient and

closed the book on that case

JUDGE SILVERNAIL Okay That answers my

questions Thank you

THE RESPONDENT Okay Thank you

THE CHAIR Anybody anything else

Judge do you want to close wrap up

THE RESPONDENT No I -- I do I do

At the time I held the hearing I thought

I had the right to hold the hearing based on my

misinterpretation on what I learned at judge

school I knew that I had to grant the motion

just by the fact that I held the hearing

When I came in her~ today I legally

still think I could have held the hearing but

for different reasons because the motion was

legally insufficient based on the case law and

the research that Ive done I didnt think

about the questions that you all have posed me

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absence of such a finding there can be no finding that Judge Cohen violated

the Code

This argument falls of its own weight Essentially the JQC alleged

Code violations arising from two separate legal matters State v Gibbs and

State v Butler The Hearing Panel found violations arising from each of

those hearings and also found that it was a violation of the Code for Judge

Cohen to make a personal attack on Attorney Melnick before the

Investigative Panel Those are three separate violations Each stands on its

own That the Hearing Panel did not find that those three separate violations

constituted a pattern and practice does not negate the finding that each of

those findings constituted a separate violation

On page 10 of his reply Judge Cohen argues that the JQC must

prove all elements of an offense or the cause of action There is no cause of

action here Instead facts are alleged and facts are proven and the Hearing

Panel reaches a conclusion as to whether those facts transgress one or more

provisions of the Code Judge Cohens efforts to compare this JQC

proceeding to an ordinary civil or criminal case fails

Issue II - Whether the Hearing Panel Made Factual Findings that Are not Supported by Clear and Convincing Evidence (C-14)

This argument is already refuted above But again the short answer

is that the JQCs findings are based on the parties stipulated facts and

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stipulated documents and on Judge Cohens own sworn testimony and

admissions both before the Investigative Panel and at the trial The

stipulated evidence and the admissions out of the respondents own mouth

clearly exceed the clear and convincing standard and even exceed beyond

a reasonable doubt because the evidence consists of facts the parties agreed

were true and admissions that Judge Cohen made himself under oath On

pages 14-29 of his reply Judge Cohen merely re-argues facts that have

already been found against him based on evidence that is far more

conclusive than evidence that merely meets the clear and convincing

standard

Issue Ill Whether the Court Should Reduce the Sanction to Admonishment Because the Hearing Panel Found no Pattern and

Practice of Misconduct (C-37)

We have already addressed the pattern and practice issue Even

though the Hearing Panel found that the three violations that occurred did

not constitute a pattern and practice of wrongdoing the Panel nevertheless

found three separate serious violations of the Code In recommending a

public reprimand the Hearing Panel found that each of the violations arose

from Judge Cohens use of office in efforts to vindicate his wife (F-2S)

The Pan~l compared Judge Cohens offense to judges using the prestige of

their office to obtain favorable treatment for relatives or friends (F-2S) The

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Panel properly concluded that a public reprimand would be the appropriate

discipline However if the Court is inclined to alter the discipline the Court

should consider whether the discipline should be enhanced to include a

suspension andor a fine because of the unique circumstances of Judge

Cohens violations

CONCLUSION

Judge Cohen admitted under oath that calling his wife as a witness in

a recusal hearing was wrong (S-Ex H ppAO 4149 50 69) As this Court

reiterated in In re Eriksson 36 So3d 580 (Fla 2010) if the Hearing Panels

findings meet the clear and convincing evidentiary test those findings are

of persuasive force and are given great weight by this Court This Court

also pointed out that the JQC is in a position to evaluate the testimony and

evidence first-hand The findings of the Hearing Panel in this matter are

based upon stipulated evidence admissions from Judge Cohen in his sworn

testimony and reasonable inferences drawn from such evidence This Court

should affirm the Hearing Panels Findings and Conclusions

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wife Holding that hearing did not benefit my wife

in any way whatsoever

Q Did it benefit you

A It didnt benefit me It wasnt part of

my thought process The reason I had the hearing

was the reason that I said -- was just trying to

clear things up When I called Melnick in his

office I just said Im just trying to clear

things up I never said anything bad about

Melnick other than when I responded to JQC because

I think there were issues of credibility I think

they had accused me of some very -- they were way

off in their accusations on their notice of

investigation And I just assumed that some of

those accusations came from Melnick And I just

wanted to paint a little better picture for them of

who Mr Melnick is Hes not the height of

credibility I like him Hes not a bad guy You

know socially hes a good guy I cant explain

Professionally I have problems Socially I have

no problem wi th Steve Melnick

Q Anything else you want to tell the panel

A I need a bathroom break

Q And are you feeling okay now

A Yeah

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representing one of these people -- and Im wrong on

this assumption Im just telling you I assumed

that he had some -- someone else was representing

these people and Melnick just came in and got me off

the case

Q Okay So this is your assumption for

which you have not a scintilla of evidence and that

is that Melnick was doing a favor for somebody else

bumping you off the case so that other lawyer could

represent these people before another judge

A That was the only thing I could think of

why he would file a motion to recuse

Q But you dont have an ounce of proof that

that was the case do you

A And it wasnt the case it

Q It wasnt the case

A It wasnt the case

Q Okay

A Im telling you what my thought process

was August of 2009

Q Okay Now we got that cleared up

A One of the lawyers in his office Valerie

Small-Williams and she had been working very hard

to get me off one of her cases but she had no

grounds And I had thought that this was one of

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Q You were wrong

A I was wrong No question

Q Were admitting on the stand right now

that this is pure speculation on your part and

theres not a bit of truth to it

A Theres no truth to it And that was my

thought process was that he was just trying to get

me off the case for one of his friends but that -shy

that turned out not to be the case

Q All right Judge Cohen can you

understand why a lawyer in the shoes ofmiddot Mr Melnick

who perceives himself as having gotten into an

adversarial relationship with your wife that

involved what he characterizes as a hostile

telephone conversation ending with a hang-up that

he had at least peripheral involvement in a lawsuit

in which your wife was the named defendant and he

was involved in an adversary -- with an adversarial

election person and the lawsuit actually resulted in

your wifes name being stricken from the ballot and

may have cost her the election that that whole

imbroglio might make him wonder if he should be

bringing clients before you her husband for you to

be the judge on it Do you understand how he might

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whether it was made private My question to you

were those photographs sent to the Judicial

Qualifications Investigative Panel for the sole

purpose of trying to persuade them there was

something bad about Melnick and therefore you must

be telling the truth as to how you handled this

matter

A Theres no question that theres some

type of credibility issue Ther~ were allegations

in the notice of investigation that had been made by

Mr Melnick and I wanted the JQC to understand that

it isa credibility i$sue and that your -- number

one I want you to know about my credibility and I

want you to understand about Steve Melnick so you

can make an intelligent decision I obviously

didnt want the JQC to file charges against me I

was put in a position where I had to defend myself

Q Can I assume Judge Cohen as we sit here

now that you understand that the reason for Rule

2330 saying you dont get into the truthfulness or

lack of truthfulness of whats in front of you is so

the public can have confidence that a judge is not

pitting himself or herself against somebody in front

of them

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h~~erd my wife he would realize what he was

writing wasnt true and we would get past it

be wouldn t file them anymore and this would

clear it up I thought whatever disagreement

he had I thought if he heard from my wife and

he got to speak that would be it and it would

go

And we actually had the hearing And

heres where Im stupid because I actually

thought after thishearing I thought it was

cleared up But apparently ~ot because he

went to the chief criminal administrative judge

and complained that I had a hearing So I had

a hearing with the chief criminal

administrative judge who told me You cant

have hearings if somebody files a motion to

recuse II

And I told Ilona Holmes thats not what

were taught in judicial college Im going to

get to that argument I do have a right to have

a hearing

In any event once I found out he was

upset I called Melnicks office

apologized I told hirq the only reason that I

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I didnt say one word at that recount I

didnt open my mouth at that recount I was

there to watch and support my wife who was

going through a very difficult time in her

life I mean I dont know if you have any

idea how tough it is to be involved in a

recount I mean it turned into a circus And

she had nobody And I was there at the recount

with her

I did not open my mouth once I didnt

talk to anybody at that recount I was just

physically there with her And thats all I

did

I understand about ~erception I handled

this badly I know I handled this badly I

understand its perception I dont think

legally I did anything wrong and thats why I

gave you the cases Its not - Im not an

expert on the area of disqualification Ive

only filed one motion to disqualify in 20 years

as a lawyer

I know its bad And Ive granted every

single one I just -- and I got frustrated

He carne into court and gave me three at once

and I just wanted to clear it up so that he

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wouldnt file them in the future It really

had nothing to do with my wife it was more

just clearing up steve why are you doing

this Im your friend I dont understand

And thats where I was coming from It

really had nothing to do with my wife

THE CHAIR Dr Haber

Judge Wolf

JUDGE WOLF I cant let a couple of

things go You know you came in here saying

you were trying to hold this hearing SO you

could get over the friendship -- or get your

friendship back with this guy And thats not

true It is directly in conflict with what you

just said I held a hearing to get him t6

stop filing these motions That was the

reason you held this hearing And that is

inappropriate for getting someone to stop

filing motions So youre digging yourself a

bigger grave

THE RESPONDENT Can I respond

JUDGE WOLF No

All I want to -- well Ill let you

respond The reason you held that hearing was

to get him to s~op filing motions wasnt it

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THE RESPONDENT Okay I thought that

the reason he was filing the motions was

because he was afraid that I would retaliate

against him And we were friends and if he

understood that we had a friendship and maybe

he misunderstood what was going on between him

and my wife that he wouldnt -- that it would

be okay

And thats what I thought when I left the

hearing its all cleared up he heard her

side she heard his IIAnd now you dont have

to be afraid that I couldnt be fair in your

case II

I thought that Honestly I -- I dont

have a problem recusing myself on cases I

dont own these cases I have no stake in

these cases I just its just frustrating

when somebodys your friend and thinks that you

cant be fair You know Im sure thats

happened to you And its just frustrating

And I was friends with Steve Melnick so

but youre right I mean I didnt want him

to continually file them But the reason he

was filing them wa~ because he didnt think I

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THE RESPONDENT Correct

JUDGE SILBERMAN 3(a) of the code A

judge shall hear -- Im sorry 3(b) (1) A

~udge shall hear and decide matters assigned to

the judge except those in which

disqualification is required

Do you understand that sentence

THE RESPONDENT I do

JUDGE SILBERMAN So why dont you

describe for the commission how those two

provisions fit together and support your

conducting an evidentiary hearing in which your

wife is a witness

THE RESPONDENT It doesnt Although

the only thing I could say is that I did

disqualify myself from the hearing There was

no harm well theres harm to the dommunity

I dont want to say that theres no harm but

I mean but Mr Melnick wanted

disqualification I granted his

disqualification I mean my mi~take obviously

was h~ving the hearing But that doesnt

JPPG~ ~ILBE~~~ Couldn t a p~r$on

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telling you that -shy

JUDGE SILBERMAN- Andmiddot your reo$middotpon~libility

as a judge is not to put Y01rself or the

judiciary in that position r isnt it

THE RESPONDENT Yes

JUDGE SILBERMAN Why wasmiddot your wifemiddot at

THE RESPONDENT I asked her to be there

JUDGE SILBERMAN So you provided for a

witness to attend an evidentiary hearing that

you were going to conduct

THE RESPONDENT (Moving head up amiddotnd

~UDGE SILBERMAN I canthear you

THEmiddot RESmiddotPO~NDENT Yes Yes

J-UDGE SILBEmiddotR~AN She was nomiddott under

sulgtpoena

THE RESPONDENT No

JUDGE SILBERMAN This is an evidentiary

hearing on a motion to disqualify in the ca~e

of State versus Gibbs Wheres the prosecutor

in this hearing

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courtroom They might not have announced but

they were in the courtroom

JUDGE SILBERMAN Did you invite them to

participate

THE RESPONDENT They were just sitting

at the prosecutors table

JUDGE SILBERMAN -Did you ask them if

they had any questions of the witness

THE RESPONDENT No

JUDGE SILBERMAN You start out the

hearing by asking your wife if she had the

opportunity to read the motion Correct

THE RESPONDENT Correct

JUDGE SILBERMAN Mr Melnick then

objects relating that-youre going to have to

make -- if you go forward with the hearing

youre going to be making determinations as to

credibility Correct

THE RESPONDENT Correct

JUDGE SILBERMAN And in fact you asked

questions of your wife Is that correct

THE RESPONDENT Thats correct

JUDGE SILBERMAN You indicated that you

knew you were supposed to recuse in this

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THE RESPONDENT correct

Well can I just -- I knew once I held

the hearing I was required to recuse

didnt -- and I knew that the whole purpose of

having the hearing again was to flush things

out But once I started the hearing I knew I

had to recuse

JUDGE SILBERMAN Was the motion legally

sufficient to require your recusal

THE RESPONDENT No

JUDGE SILBERMAN Why didnt you deny it

THE RESPONDENT At the time I thought

I thought it was legal~y sufficient at the

time I also thought I hadnt done anything

wrong at the time When I got this complaint

the notice of investigation I read the rule of

judicial administration which I wasnt aware

and I saw that I couldnt have the hearing

And I realized at that point that I made a

mistake But then in preparing for this

hearing I did some research Im more

familiar with disqualification now And now my

opinion is that the motion is not legally

sufficient At the time my opinion was that it

was legally sufficient

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THE RESPONDENT (Moving head up and

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JUDGE SILBERMAN I cant hear you

THE RESPONDENT Yes At the time - shy

JUDGE SILBERMAN So why - shy

THE RESPONDENT At the time I thought it

wasmiddotlegally sufficient

JUDGE SILBER~AN I~ you thought it was

legally sufficientwhy didnt you recuse

yourself on the spot

THE RESPONDENT Because I thought that I

had the right to hold a hearing based on the

disqualification disclosure packet from the

judicial college I didnt know that it was

required ~nder the Rule of Judicial

Administratioh I was looking at -- you know~

again Do not hold a hearing because it

doesnt require a hearing which means its

discretionary And then it says If you do

h~ld a hearing you must assume the facts are

true and that just by holding a hearing that

alone will require you to disqualify yourself

And thats why I held the hearing

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believed it to be legally sufficient

THE RESPONDENT Correct

JUDGE SILBERMAN In which case

I dont understand the purpose of the

hearing other than look at page seven 4(a)

Expressing displeasure with attorney for

bringing motion to disqualify may be considered

intimidation

THE RESPONDENT Right I didn t express

any displeasure

JUDGE SILBERMAN Conducting a hearing on

a matter that you already determined required

yoti to disqualify yourself is not intimidation

THE RESPONDENT It could be And I

tried to be -- you have to understand I tried

to be nice to him during this hearing I

wasnt going after him and making him feel bad

because he was filing the motion I was just

~rying to flush otit the facts And I said that

in the hearing Im just trying to flush

everything out so that everybody knows

Because we were friends before we can still be

friends And thats why I did it

I didnt study -- you have to understand

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transcript after theres a dialogue again with

Mr Melnick you then state I dont think I

have to make any kind of ruling as to the

factual dispute Is that correct

THE RESPONDENT Correct

JUDGE SILBERMAN In which case again

there was no legally justifiable purpose for

this hearing Is that correct

THE RESPONDENT Yes Yeah theres no

legalJy justifiable purpose correct It wasmiddot

more a moral thing

JUDGE SILBERMAN I was

THE RESPONDENT It was personal It

wasnt -- but it wasnt personal in a negative

way I wasnt attacking the man I was

friends with the man Its hard to explain

when youre a judge and youre friends with

people and then because of an election that

has nothing to do with you now people are

attacking you

But I realize I had no business holding

that hearing And if it looks like because I

held the hearing that alone is intimidation

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dont know what else

Q Thats fine Ill -- Ill get you back

to where we want to go

A Okay

Q Now it was a little after noon I

believe you said when you arrived in your husbands

courtroom

A Correct

Q Okay And at about 1230 your husband

adjourned and told everyone to come back at 130

Correct

A Correct

Q Okay And then you went to lunch with

him

A Correct

Q All right Just the two of you at lunchZ

A Right

Q All right And your husband asked you to

return to the courtroom with him at 130 Correct

A No He asked me if I was coming back to

the courthouse And I told him that I had hearing

at 130 And he asked me if when I was done if I

would come back into -- come back to his courtroom

A lot of times he would ask me to do that because

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might find interesting or a motion to suppress or

an attorneys arguments are interesting or

whatever -- just for interest So he would let me

know ahead of time And so thats why when he said

you know Will you come back after your hearing I

had agreed I would

Q So during your hour long lunch with your

husband you did not discuss the motion -- the

recusal motion that Mr Melnick had filed in the

Gibbs case

A No

Q No discussion of that whatsoever

A No

Q And you did not -- he did not even tell

you that he was going to -- planning to call you as

a wi tness did he

A No

Q Just came as a total shock to you

A Yes

Q Okay And we do have a transcript I

believe thats in the record here of that and

weve been through that already and I dont need to

belabor that with you All right Now-shy

A Im not sure I understand I just want

to be really clear on everything What do you mean

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the back door because my office would be on the

other side of the back door And when were leaving

the courtroom I just asked her Can you corne back

at 130 She told me she had a hearing with Judge

Gates at 130 and then she said she would corne by

as soon as that hearing with Judge Gates was over

JUDGE MENENDEZ Could I corne back and

ask a question now

THE CHAIR Okay with you

JUDGE WARREN Yeah Go ahead

EXAMINATION

BY JUDGE MENENDEZ

Q Did you have any discussions with your

wife over the fact that this lawyer Mr Melnick

was filing all these motions when he was alleging

that she had threatened him during a phone call

A If I did it would have been -shy

Q At anytime

A a year and a half earlier when he

fir s t f i led it

Q Okay And did that concern her at all

as far as expressing any concern to you about it

A This was a very minor instance Like my

wife said this was like middota meaningless event She

had run two campaigns where theres serious issues

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with serious candidates violating rules that really

needed attention This was -- she called Melnick

up she said You cant have re-elect You

cant ~- you need to say retain He changed it

and that was it I mean Melnick corrected it right

away My wife called him right away and said you

know Youre violating the rules It was

corrected and that was the end of it

Q There was apparently a disagreement at

the hearing between Mr Melnick and your wife where

I thought that her initial testimony at the hearing

before you was that she had called him because there

was a disclaimer missing from some advertisement for

Judge Dijols and then Mr Melnick contradicted her

on that and said No it didnt deal with the

disclaimer It dealt with the re-elect versus

retain

A Exactly The disclaimer on ~very

political advertisement says This ad has been

approved by the candidate This shows that my wife

and I didnt discuss it Because my wife didnt

ev~n get the issue right If I had discussed this

with my wife she would have known what the issue

was and she would have been correct ~n her

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Q So you credited Mr Melnicks credibility

rather than hers

A Melnick was right Hey look you

know

Q All right

A But if my wife and I talked about it she

would have gotten it right she came to court and

she had no idea and

Q Well she had some idea didnt she that

you were going

A She knew she was coming to a hearing

Q About the motions to recuse

A About Melnick

Q And his motions to recuse

A Yes

Q Okay You did tell her that ahead of

time In fact Mr Schneider phrased it says We

got another one of those Would you mind coming and

testifying And you said That was probably

exactly what was said

A Well I -- I didnt remember

QPage 62

A I asked her can you -- can you come

back I dont know that my wife knew that Melnick

had filed -- theres no way she didnt know

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theres no way she knew because I dont discuss

these things with her I just sign them and go on

I dont give my wife a recount of everything I do

every day

Q I thought a minute ago you said you had

some discussions with her -shy

A Maybe when he first filed it a year and a

half earlier but since then I never

Q Well she was aware that he had accused

her of threatening him in at least one motion to

recuse

A Yeah

Q Okay

A Yeah Yeah

Q And that - - the way Mr Schneider phrased

it he said Was there communication to the fact

that quote unquote weve got another one of

those Would you mind coming to testify

A Well those arent my words Those are

Mr Schneiders

Q They are but you said that was probably

exactly what was said

A The substance You know its -- I -- I

dont know

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A Those arent my words I mean I dont

use those words But I said Can you come back

You know Im doing a hearing on Melnicks motion to

recuse

Q But you did ask her to come to court and

she did know that she was coming to court to talk

about the motion

A I dont think she knew that she was going

to be testifying but she knew she was coming to

court and it was on Melnicks motion

JUDGE WARREN Nothing r

EXAMINATION

BY MR DUNKINSON

Q I want to continue with that before I ask

my other questions I apologize because Im the

layperson here so I have a lot of -shy

THE CHAIR Mr Catalano has pointed that

out

Q I want to make sure I understand this

because I just -- Im very confused about the

conversation with you and your wife and what the

judges have asked Page 61 this is your quote not

Schneiders I probably told her -- I may have

told her that you know Steves filed a motion to

recuse based on that conversation What L

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conversation are we talking about Is that not the

phone conversation that were talking about

A Right That would have been the phone

conversation

Q So at that point which is at your lunch

or before your lunch your wife knew what you were

going to be asking her to do Because you then

say -- or Mr Schneider says on 62 There was a

communication of the fact that quote Weve got

another one of these Would you mind coming to

testify And you again said That was probably

exactly what was saiq

A I didnt remember specifically what I had

told her I mean if you look at Line 17 on 61 I

say I probably told her and then I say I may have

told her I didnt remember exactly what I told

her I just know that I told her I was doing a

motion to recuse at 130 and if she could come back

and specifically I didnt remember

Q All right So those statements you -shy

are you now saying that those statements are not

correct Is that what youre saying

A No Im saying -shy

Q Are you retracting those

A -- I may have told her I probably -- I

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dont remember specifically Certainly today I

dont remember specifically what I told her a year

and a half ago

Q I understand

A But when this happened when I gave this

statement and I think it was November -- yeah

November I wasnt a hundred percent what I told

her August 6th

Q All right Well the only point is you

know in her testimony yesterday as well as yours

both of you denied that you had any conversation

about it

A No I asked her to come back at 130

Q She claimed she knew nothing about what

it was about

A She didnt know I was going to be calling

her as

Q Implied that she did

A -- a witness

THE CHAIR Lets each of you finish

talking and the other can answer

Q All right Question the motion to

recuse again I dont know this but I have a

limited understanding -- can it not be the lawyer

that has an issue with you in addition to the

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I didnt study this disquaiification and

disclosure I justwent by what I learned at

judicial college two years earlier You know

I -- its impossible to know everything they

teach you at judicial college They give you

2000 pages worth of material for Session A

they give you 2000 pages of material for

Session B and were going to make mistakes

THE CHAIR I hate to interrupt When

did you go to judicial college

THE RE$PONDENT I went March I guess

2007 and -shy

THE CHAIR Did you just put these in a

closet and not read them

I mean I dont want to hear 2000

pages

Im sorry Judge

JUDGE SILBERMAN As ~e sit heremiddot today

do you agree that you violated Canons 3 3 (b)

the provisions that we went through

THE RESPONDENT Ye~

JUDGE SILBERMAN Canon 2(a) A Judge

sha-lmiddotl relJpect and aomply wi-th the Lawmiddot and sha]l

public conpoundidence and the integrity and ~

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JUDGE SILBERMAN Do you believe t~a t

yqur conduct is in violation of Canon 2(a)

THE RESPONDENT yemiddots bull

don t believe was on the nmiddototice of

investigation but I do think it s pertinent i

UA judge smiddothall not allow f amily smiddotocial

pcgtlitical or other relationshipmiddotsmiddot to influente

t~e judges judicial conduct or judgmenmiddott II

Do you think that someone cmiddotould look at

Y9u r conduct and say 11 Sounds like there s a

pzolgtlem with 2 (b) as wellmiddot II

THE RESPONDENT You know I just -- Im

going to say yes I just -- you know I made

it very careful that I would not -- I didnt

comment on my wifes testimony I didnt say

liMy wife is right and youre wrong I believe

my wife II I just -- I didnt go anywhere near

there I just backed off and said IIIm not

making any rulings Your motions granted

I just tried to clear this matter up We

were friends before And thats what I did

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JUDGE FREEMAN So they were not trying

to participate Right

THE RESPONDENT No No they werent

trying to participate

JUDGE FREEMAN Had the State Attorneys

Office ever request that you have that hearing

THE RESPONDENT No

JUDGE FREEMAN Had the State Attorneys

Office ever objected to the motion to recuse

THE RESPONDENT No

JUDGE FREEMAN Thank you

THE CHAIR Mr Morales

MR MORALES Your Honor one thing

Obviously whats legally sufficient for a

layperson I dont -- Ill leave that to the

judges and the lawyers but the fact that you

happened to go t~lunch with your wife that day

and you said Oh why dont you come on by

Were going to have this little hearing do

you think thats appropriate

THE RESPONDENT I didnt I dont -shy

its not -- the whole thing is not appropriate

The fact that I had the hearing I know is not

appropriate Probably not

MR MORALES Have you ever heard of

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amiddotnother judge seeing someone at lunch and say

Hey Im going to have a hearing after lunch

Why dont you come by and testify

THE RESPONDENT No

MR MORALES Okay You thought you

should have had this hearing

THE RESPONDENT At the time yes now

no But-shy

MR MORALES Youre going to take a

li~t~e time the next time and think about what

youre doing

THE RESPONDENT It wasnt my intent -shy

you have to understand it wasnt my intent I

wouldnt have called the guy like a couple of

days later and said Im sorry I told him

the whole thing blew up My intent was just to

repair a friendship I just

MR MORALES Repairing your f~iendship

seems to work a lot better when youre sitti~g

down talking to somebody over a cold beer or -shy

either that or just sitting in your chambers

Hey lets talk about this

THE RESPONDENT I know But if it goes

bad then theyre saying youre berating them

in chambers I just should have let it go and

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JUDGE SILVERNAIL Well is that the only

reason you think it was inappropriate

THE RESPONDENT I do think his motion

was legally insufficient and I should have

just denied it as legally insufficient and

closed the book on that case

JUDGE SILVERNAIL Okay That answers my

questions Thank you

THE RESPONDENT Okay Thank you

THE CHAIR Anybody anything else

Judge do you want to close wrap up

THE RESPONDENT No I -- I do I do

At the time I held the hearing I thought

I had the right to hold the hearing based on my

misinterpretation on what I learned at judge

school I knew that I had to grant the motion

just by the fact that I held the hearing

When I came in her~ today I legally

still think I could have held the hearing but

for different reasons because the motion was

legally insufficient based on the case law and

the research that Ive done I didnt think

about the questions that you all have posed me

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stipulated documents and on Judge Cohens own sworn testimony and

admissions both before the Investigative Panel and at the trial The

stipulated evidence and the admissions out of the respondents own mouth

clearly exceed the clear and convincing standard and even exceed beyond

a reasonable doubt because the evidence consists of facts the parties agreed

were true and admissions that Judge Cohen made himself under oath On

pages 14-29 of his reply Judge Cohen merely re-argues facts that have

already been found against him based on evidence that is far more

conclusive than evidence that merely meets the clear and convincing

standard

Issue Ill Whether the Court Should Reduce the Sanction to Admonishment Because the Hearing Panel Found no Pattern and

Practice of Misconduct (C-37)

We have already addressed the pattern and practice issue Even

though the Hearing Panel found that the three violations that occurred did

not constitute a pattern and practice of wrongdoing the Panel nevertheless

found three separate serious violations of the Code In recommending a

public reprimand the Hearing Panel found that each of the violations arose

from Judge Cohens use of office in efforts to vindicate his wife (F-2S)

The Pan~l compared Judge Cohens offense to judges using the prestige of

their office to obtain favorable treatment for relatives or friends (F-2S) The

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Panel properly concluded that a public reprimand would be the appropriate

discipline However if the Court is inclined to alter the discipline the Court

should consider whether the discipline should be enhanced to include a

suspension andor a fine because of the unique circumstances of Judge

Cohens violations

CONCLUSION

Judge Cohen admitted under oath that calling his wife as a witness in

a recusal hearing was wrong (S-Ex H ppAO 4149 50 69) As this Court

reiterated in In re Eriksson 36 So3d 580 (Fla 2010) if the Hearing Panels

findings meet the clear and convincing evidentiary test those findings are

of persuasive force and are given great weight by this Court This Court

also pointed out that the JQC is in a position to evaluate the testimony and

evidence first-hand The findings of the Hearing Panel in this matter are

based upon stipulated evidence admissions from Judge Cohen in his sworn

testimony and reasonable inferences drawn from such evidence This Court

should affirm the Hearing Panels Findings and Conclusions

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has been furnished by regular US mail to Michael A Catalano Esq

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1612 Miami FL 33156 and Henry M Coxe III Esq Chairman JQC

Hearing Panel Bedell Dittmar DeVault Pillans amp Coxe PA 101 East

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wife Holding that hearing did not benefit my wife

in any way whatsoever

Q Did it benefit you

A It didnt benefit me It wasnt part of

my thought process The reason I had the hearing

was the reason that I said -- was just trying to

clear things up When I called Melnick in his

office I just said Im just trying to clear

things up I never said anything bad about

Melnick other than when I responded to JQC because

I think there were issues of credibility I think

they had accused me of some very -- they were way

off in their accusations on their notice of

investigation And I just assumed that some of

those accusations came from Melnick And I just

wanted to paint a little better picture for them of

who Mr Melnick is Hes not the height of

credibility I like him Hes not a bad guy You

know socially hes a good guy I cant explain

Professionally I have problems Socially I have

no problem wi th Steve Melnick

Q Anything else you want to tell the panel

A I need a bathroom break

Q And are you feeling okay now

A Yeah

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representing one of these people -- and Im wrong on

this assumption Im just telling you I assumed

that he had some -- someone else was representing

these people and Melnick just came in and got me off

the case

Q Okay So this is your assumption for

which you have not a scintilla of evidence and that

is that Melnick was doing a favor for somebody else

bumping you off the case so that other lawyer could

represent these people before another judge

A That was the only thing I could think of

why he would file a motion to recuse

Q But you dont have an ounce of proof that

that was the case do you

A And it wasnt the case it

Q It wasnt the case

A It wasnt the case

Q Okay

A Im telling you what my thought process

was August of 2009

Q Okay Now we got that cleared up

A One of the lawyers in his office Valerie

Small-Williams and she had been working very hard

to get me off one of her cases but she had no

grounds And I had thought that this was one of

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Q You were wrong

A I was wrong No question

Q Were admitting on the stand right now

that this is pure speculation on your part and

theres not a bit of truth to it

A Theres no truth to it And that was my

thought process was that he was just trying to get

me off the case for one of his friends but that -shy

that turned out not to be the case

Q All right Judge Cohen can you

understand why a lawyer in the shoes ofmiddot Mr Melnick

who perceives himself as having gotten into an

adversarial relationship with your wife that

involved what he characterizes as a hostile

telephone conversation ending with a hang-up that

he had at least peripheral involvement in a lawsuit

in which your wife was the named defendant and he

was involved in an adversary -- with an adversarial

election person and the lawsuit actually resulted in

your wifes name being stricken from the ballot and

may have cost her the election that that whole

imbroglio might make him wonder if he should be

bringing clients before you her husband for you to

be the judge on it Do you understand how he might

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whether it was made private My question to you

were those photographs sent to the Judicial

Qualifications Investigative Panel for the sole

purpose of trying to persuade them there was

something bad about Melnick and therefore you must

be telling the truth as to how you handled this

matter

A Theres no question that theres some

type of credibility issue Ther~ were allegations

in the notice of investigation that had been made by

Mr Melnick and I wanted the JQC to understand that

it isa credibility i$sue and that your -- number

one I want you to know about my credibility and I

want you to understand about Steve Melnick so you

can make an intelligent decision I obviously

didnt want the JQC to file charges against me I

was put in a position where I had to defend myself

Q Can I assume Judge Cohen as we sit here

now that you understand that the reason for Rule

2330 saying you dont get into the truthfulness or

lack of truthfulness of whats in front of you is so

the public can have confidence that a judge is not

pitting himself or herself against somebody in front

of them

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h~~erd my wife he would realize what he was

writing wasnt true and we would get past it

be wouldn t file them anymore and this would

clear it up I thought whatever disagreement

he had I thought if he heard from my wife and

he got to speak that would be it and it would

go

And we actually had the hearing And

heres where Im stupid because I actually

thought after thishearing I thought it was

cleared up But apparently ~ot because he

went to the chief criminal administrative judge

and complained that I had a hearing So I had

a hearing with the chief criminal

administrative judge who told me You cant

have hearings if somebody files a motion to

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And I told Ilona Holmes thats not what

were taught in judicial college Im going to

get to that argument I do have a right to have

a hearing

In any event once I found out he was

upset I called Melnicks office

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I didnt say one word at that recount I

didnt open my mouth at that recount I was

there to watch and support my wife who was

going through a very difficult time in her

life I mean I dont know if you have any

idea how tough it is to be involved in a

recount I mean it turned into a circus And

she had nobody And I was there at the recount

with her

I did not open my mouth once I didnt

talk to anybody at that recount I was just

physically there with her And thats all I

did

I understand about ~erception I handled

this badly I know I handled this badly I

understand its perception I dont think

legally I did anything wrong and thats why I

gave you the cases Its not - Im not an

expert on the area of disqualification Ive

only filed one motion to disqualify in 20 years

as a lawyer

I know its bad And Ive granted every

single one I just -- and I got frustrated

He carne into court and gave me three at once

and I just wanted to clear it up so that he

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wouldnt file them in the future It really

had nothing to do with my wife it was more

just clearing up steve why are you doing

this Im your friend I dont understand

And thats where I was coming from It

really had nothing to do with my wife

THE CHAIR Dr Haber

Judge Wolf

JUDGE WOLF I cant let a couple of

things go You know you came in here saying

you were trying to hold this hearing SO you

could get over the friendship -- or get your

friendship back with this guy And thats not

true It is directly in conflict with what you

just said I held a hearing to get him t6

stop filing these motions That was the

reason you held this hearing And that is

inappropriate for getting someone to stop

filing motions So youre digging yourself a

bigger grave

THE RESPONDENT Can I respond

JUDGE WOLF No

All I want to -- well Ill let you

respond The reason you held that hearing was

to get him to s~op filing motions wasnt it

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THE RESPONDENT Okay I thought that

the reason he was filing the motions was

because he was afraid that I would retaliate

against him And we were friends and if he

understood that we had a friendship and maybe

he misunderstood what was going on between him

and my wife that he wouldnt -- that it would

be okay

And thats what I thought when I left the

hearing its all cleared up he heard her

side she heard his IIAnd now you dont have

to be afraid that I couldnt be fair in your

case II

I thought that Honestly I -- I dont

have a problem recusing myself on cases I

dont own these cases I have no stake in

these cases I just its just frustrating

when somebodys your friend and thinks that you

cant be fair You know Im sure thats

happened to you And its just frustrating

And I was friends with Steve Melnick so

but youre right I mean I didnt want him

to continually file them But the reason he

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THE RESPONDENT Correct

JUDGE SILBERMAN 3(a) of the code A

judge shall hear -- Im sorry 3(b) (1) A

~udge shall hear and decide matters assigned to

the judge except those in which

disqualification is required

Do you understand that sentence

THE RESPONDENT I do

JUDGE SILBERMAN So why dont you

describe for the commission how those two

provisions fit together and support your

conducting an evidentiary hearing in which your

wife is a witness

THE RESPONDENT It doesnt Although

the only thing I could say is that I did

disqualify myself from the hearing There was

no harm well theres harm to the dommunity

I dont want to say that theres no harm but

I mean but Mr Melnick wanted

disqualification I granted his

disqualification I mean my mi~take obviously

was h~ving the hearing But that doesnt

JPPG~ ~ILBE~~~ Couldn t a p~r$on

looking at this say or conclude that you

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JUDGE SILBERMAN- Andmiddot your reo$middotpon~libility

as a judge is not to put Y01rself or the

judiciary in that position r isnt it

THE RESPONDENT Yes

JUDGE SILBERMAN Why wasmiddot your wifemiddot at

THE RESPONDENT I asked her to be there

JUDGE SILBERMAN So you provided for a

witness to attend an evidentiary hearing that

you were going to conduct

THE RESPONDENT (Moving head up amiddotnd

~UDGE SILBERMAN I canthear you

THEmiddot RESmiddotPO~NDENT Yes Yes

J-UDGE SILBEmiddotR~AN She was nomiddott under

sulgtpoena

THE RESPONDENT No

JUDGE SILBERMAN This is an evidentiary

hearing on a motion to disqualify in the ca~e

of State versus Gibbs Wheres the prosecutor

in this hearing

THE RESPONDENT They were in the

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they were in the courtroom

JUDGE SILBERMAN Did you invite them to

participate

THE RESPONDENT They were just sitting

at the prosecutors table

JUDGE SILBERMAN -Did you ask them if

they had any questions of the witness

THE RESPONDENT No

JUDGE SILBERMAN You start out the

hearing by asking your wife if she had the

opportunity to read the motion Correct

THE RESPONDENT Correct

JUDGE SILBERMAN Mr Melnick then

objects relating that-youre going to have to

make -- if you go forward with the hearing

youre going to be making determinations as to

credibility Correct

THE RESPONDENT Correct

JUDGE SILBERMAN And in fact you asked

questions of your wife Is that correct

THE RESPONDENT Thats correct

JUDGE SILBERMAN You indicated that you

knew you were supposed to recuse in this

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Well can I just -- I knew once I held

the hearing I was required to recuse

didnt -- and I knew that the whole purpose of

having the hearing again was to flush things

out But once I started the hearing I knew I

had to recuse

JUDGE SILBERMAN Was the motion legally

sufficient to require your recusal

THE RESPONDENT No

JUDGE SILBERMAN Why didnt you deny it

THE RESPONDENT At the time I thought

I thought it was legal~y sufficient at the

time I also thought I hadnt done anything

wrong at the time When I got this complaint

the notice of investigation I read the rule of

judicial administration which I wasnt aware

and I saw that I couldnt have the hearing

And I realized at that point that I made a

mistake But then in preparing for this

hearing I did some research Im more

familiar with disqualification now And now my

opinion is that the motion is not legally

sufficient At the time my opinion was that it

was legally sufficient

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THE RESPONDENT (Moving head up and

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JUDGE SILBERMAN I cant hear you

THE RESPONDENT Yes At the time - shy

JUDGE SILBERMAN So why - shy

THE RESPONDENT At the time I thought it

wasmiddotlegally sufficient

JUDGE SILBER~AN I~ you thought it was

legally sufficientwhy didnt you recuse

yourself on the spot

THE RESPONDENT Because I thought that I

had the right to hold a hearing based on the

disqualification disclosure packet from the

judicial college I didnt know that it was

required ~nder the Rule of Judicial

Administratioh I was looking at -- you know~

again Do not hold a hearing because it

doesnt require a hearing which means its

discretionary And then it says If you do

h~ld a hearing you must assume the facts are

true and that just by holding a hearing that

alone will require you to disqualify yourself

And thats why I held the hearing

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JUDGE SILBERMAN Well you said you

believed it to be legally sufficient

THE RESPONDENT Correct

JUDGE SILBERMAN In which case

I dont understand the purpose of the

hearing other than look at page seven 4(a)

Expressing displeasure with attorney for

bringing motion to disqualify may be considered

intimidation

THE RESPONDENT Right I didn t express

any displeasure

JUDGE SILBERMAN Conducting a hearing on

a matter that you already determined required

yoti to disqualify yourself is not intimidation

THE RESPONDENT It could be And I

tried to be -- you have to understand I tried

to be nice to him during this hearing I

wasnt going after him and making him feel bad

because he was filing the motion I was just

~rying to flush otit the facts And I said that

in the hearing Im just trying to flush

everything out so that everybody knows

Because we were friends before we can still be

friends And thats why I did it

I didnt study -- you have to understand

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transcript after theres a dialogue again with

Mr Melnick you then state I dont think I

have to make any kind of ruling as to the

factual dispute Is that correct

THE RESPONDENT Correct

JUDGE SILBERMAN In which case again

there was no legally justifiable purpose for

this hearing Is that correct

THE RESPONDENT Yes Yeah theres no

legalJy justifiable purpose correct It wasmiddot

more a moral thing

JUDGE SILBERMAN I was

THE RESPONDENT It was personal It

wasnt -- but it wasnt personal in a negative

way I wasnt attacking the man I was

friends with the man Its hard to explain

when youre a judge and youre friends with

people and then because of an election that

has nothing to do with you now people are

attacking you

But I realize I had no business holding

that hearing And if it looks like because I

held the hearing that alone is intimidation

that really wasnt -- that thought never

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dont know what else

Q Thats fine Ill -- Ill get you back

to where we want to go

A Okay

Q Now it was a little after noon I

believe you said when you arrived in your husbands

courtroom

A Correct

Q Okay And at about 1230 your husband

adjourned and told everyone to come back at 130

Correct

A Correct

Q Okay And then you went to lunch with

him

A Correct

Q All right Just the two of you at lunchZ

A Right

Q All right And your husband asked you to

return to the courtroom with him at 130 Correct

A No He asked me if I was coming back to

the courthouse And I told him that I had hearing

at 130 And he asked me if when I was done if I

would come back into -- come back to his courtroom

A lot of times he would ask me to do that because

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might find interesting or a motion to suppress or

an attorneys arguments are interesting or

whatever -- just for interest So he would let me

know ahead of time And so thats why when he said

you know Will you come back after your hearing I

had agreed I would

Q So during your hour long lunch with your

husband you did not discuss the motion -- the

recusal motion that Mr Melnick had filed in the

Gibbs case

A No

Q No discussion of that whatsoever

A No

Q And you did not -- he did not even tell

you that he was going to -- planning to call you as

a wi tness did he

A No

Q Just came as a total shock to you

A Yes

Q Okay And we do have a transcript I

believe thats in the record here of that and

weve been through that already and I dont need to

belabor that with you All right Now-shy

A Im not sure I understand I just want

to be really clear on everything What do you mean

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the back door because my office would be on the

other side of the back door And when were leaving

the courtroom I just asked her Can you corne back

at 130 She told me she had a hearing with Judge

Gates at 130 and then she said she would corne by

as soon as that hearing with Judge Gates was over

JUDGE MENENDEZ Could I corne back and

ask a question now

THE CHAIR Okay with you

JUDGE WARREN Yeah Go ahead

EXAMINATION

BY JUDGE MENENDEZ

Q Did you have any discussions with your

wife over the fact that this lawyer Mr Melnick

was filing all these motions when he was alleging

that she had threatened him during a phone call

A If I did it would have been -shy

Q At anytime

A a year and a half earlier when he

fir s t f i led it

Q Okay And did that concern her at all

as far as expressing any concern to you about it

A This was a very minor instance Like my

wife said this was like middota meaningless event She

had run two campaigns where theres serious issues

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with serious candidates violating rules that really

needed attention This was -- she called Melnick

up she said You cant have re-elect You

cant ~- you need to say retain He changed it

and that was it I mean Melnick corrected it right

away My wife called him right away and said you

know Youre violating the rules It was

corrected and that was the end of it

Q There was apparently a disagreement at

the hearing between Mr Melnick and your wife where

I thought that her initial testimony at the hearing

before you was that she had called him because there

was a disclaimer missing from some advertisement for

Judge Dijols and then Mr Melnick contradicted her

on that and said No it didnt deal with the

disclaimer It dealt with the re-elect versus

retain

A Exactly The disclaimer on ~very

political advertisement says This ad has been

approved by the candidate This shows that my wife

and I didnt discuss it Because my wife didnt

ev~n get the issue right If I had discussed this

with my wife she would have known what the issue

was and she would have been correct ~n her

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Q So you credited Mr Melnicks credibility

rather than hers

A Melnick was right Hey look you

know

Q All right

A But if my wife and I talked about it she

would have gotten it right she came to court and

she had no idea and

Q Well she had some idea didnt she that

you were going

A She knew she was coming to a hearing

Q About the motions to recuse

A About Melnick

Q And his motions to recuse

A Yes

Q Okay You did tell her that ahead of

time In fact Mr Schneider phrased it says We

got another one of those Would you mind coming and

testifying And you said That was probably

exactly what was said

A Well I -- I didnt remember

QPage 62

A I asked her can you -- can you come

back I dont know that my wife knew that Melnick

had filed -- theres no way she didnt know

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theres no way she knew because I dont discuss

these things with her I just sign them and go on

I dont give my wife a recount of everything I do

every day

Q I thought a minute ago you said you had

some discussions with her -shy

A Maybe when he first filed it a year and a

half earlier but since then I never

Q Well she was aware that he had accused

her of threatening him in at least one motion to

recuse

A Yeah

Q Okay

A Yeah Yeah

Q And that - - the way Mr Schneider phrased

it he said Was there communication to the fact

that quote unquote weve got another one of

those Would you mind coming to testify

A Well those arent my words Those are

Mr Schneiders

Q They are but you said that was probably

exactly what was said

A The substance You know its -- I -- I

dont know

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A Those arent my words I mean I dont

use those words But I said Can you come back

You know Im doing a hearing on Melnicks motion to

recuse

Q But you did ask her to come to court and

she did know that she was coming to court to talk

about the motion

A I dont think she knew that she was going

to be testifying but she knew she was coming to

court and it was on Melnicks motion

JUDGE WARREN Nothing r

EXAMINATION

BY MR DUNKINSON

Q I want to continue with that before I ask

my other questions I apologize because Im the

layperson here so I have a lot of -shy

THE CHAIR Mr Catalano has pointed that

out

Q I want to make sure I understand this

because I just -- Im very confused about the

conversation with you and your wife and what the

judges have asked Page 61 this is your quote not

Schneiders I probably told her -- I may have

told her that you know Steves filed a motion to

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conversation are we talking about Is that not the

phone conversation that were talking about

A Right That would have been the phone

conversation

Q So at that point which is at your lunch

or before your lunch your wife knew what you were

going to be asking her to do Because you then

say -- or Mr Schneider says on 62 There was a

communication of the fact that quote Weve got

another one of these Would you mind coming to

testify And you again said That was probably

exactly what was saiq

A I didnt remember specifically what I had

told her I mean if you look at Line 17 on 61 I

say I probably told her and then I say I may have

told her I didnt remember exactly what I told

her I just know that I told her I was doing a

motion to recuse at 130 and if she could come back

and specifically I didnt remember

Q All right So those statements you -shy

are you now saying that those statements are not

correct Is that what youre saying

A No Im saying -shy

Q Are you retracting those

A -- I may have told her I probably -- I

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dont remember specifically what I told her a year

and a half ago

Q I understand

A But when this happened when I gave this

statement and I think it was November -- yeah

November I wasnt a hundred percent what I told

her August 6th

Q All right Well the only point is you

know in her testimony yesterday as well as yours

both of you denied that you had any conversation

about it

A No I asked her to come back at 130

Q She claimed she knew nothing about what

it was about

A She didnt know I was going to be calling

her as

Q Implied that she did

A -- a witness

THE CHAIR Lets each of you finish

talking and the other can answer

Q All right Question the motion to

recuse again I dont know this but I have a

limited understanding -- can it not be the lawyer

that has an issue with you in addition to the

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I didnt study this disquaiification and

disclosure I justwent by what I learned at

judicial college two years earlier You know

I -- its impossible to know everything they

teach you at judicial college They give you

2000 pages worth of material for Session A

they give you 2000 pages of material for

Session B and were going to make mistakes

THE CHAIR I hate to interrupt When

did you go to judicial college

THE RE$PONDENT I went March I guess

2007 and -shy

THE CHAIR Did you just put these in a

closet and not read them

I mean I dont want to hear 2000

pages

Im sorry Judge

JUDGE SILBERMAN As ~e sit heremiddot today

do you agree that you violated Canons 3 3 (b)

the provisions that we went through

THE RESPONDENT Ye~

JUDGE SILBERMAN Canon 2(a) A Judge

sha-lmiddotl relJpect and aomply wi-th the Lawmiddot and sha]l

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Ta~ ~~SmiddotP-ONDENT I am since - - yes

JUDGE SILBERMAN Do you believe t~a t

yqur conduct is in violation of Canon 2(a)

THE RESPONDENT yemiddots bull

don t believe was on the nmiddototice of

investigation but I do think it s pertinent i

UA judge smiddothall not allow f amily smiddotocial

pcgtlitical or other relationshipmiddotsmiddot to influente

t~e judges judicial conduct or judgmenmiddott II

Do you think that someone cmiddotould look at

Y9u r conduct and say 11 Sounds like there s a

pzolgtlem with 2 (b) as wellmiddot II

THE RESPONDENT You know I just -- Im

going to say yes I just -- you know I made

it very careful that I would not -- I didnt

comment on my wifes testimony I didnt say

liMy wife is right and youre wrong I believe

my wife II I just -- I didnt go anywhere near

there I just backed off and said IIIm not

making any rulings Your motions granted

I just tried to clear this matter up We

were friends before And thats what I did

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JUDGE FREEMAN So they were not trying

to participate Right

THE RESPONDENT No No they werent

trying to participate

JUDGE FREEMAN Had the State Attorneys

Office ever request that you have that hearing

THE RESPONDENT No

JUDGE FREEMAN Had the State Attorneys

Office ever objected to the motion to recuse

THE RESPONDENT No

JUDGE FREEMAN Thank you

THE CHAIR Mr Morales

MR MORALES Your Honor one thing

Obviously whats legally sufficient for a

layperson I dont -- Ill leave that to the

judges and the lawyers but the fact that you

happened to go t~lunch with your wife that day

and you said Oh why dont you come on by

Were going to have this little hearing do

you think thats appropriate

THE RESPONDENT I didnt I dont -shy

its not -- the whole thing is not appropriate

The fact that I had the hearing I know is not

appropriate Probably not

MR MORALES Have you ever heard of

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Hey Im going to have a hearing after lunch

Why dont you come by and testify

THE RESPONDENT No

MR MORALES Okay You thought you

should have had this hearing

THE RESPONDENT At the time yes now

no But-shy

MR MORALES Youre going to take a

li~t~e time the next time and think about what

youre doing

THE RESPONDENT It wasnt my intent -shy

you have to understand it wasnt my intent I

wouldnt have called the guy like a couple of

days later and said Im sorry I told him

the whole thing blew up My intent was just to

repair a friendship I just

MR MORALES Repairing your f~iendship

seems to work a lot better when youre sitti~g

down talking to somebody over a cold beer or -shy

either that or just sitting in your chambers

Hey lets talk about this

THE RESPONDENT I know But if it goes

bad then theyre saying youre berating them

in chambers I just should have let it go and

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JUDGE SILVERNAIL Well is that the only

reason you think it was inappropriate

THE RESPONDENT I do think his motion

was legally insufficient and I should have

just denied it as legally insufficient and

closed the book on that case

JUDGE SILVERNAIL Okay That answers my

questions Thank you

THE RESPONDENT Okay Thank you

THE CHAIR Anybody anything else

Judge do you want to close wrap up

THE RESPONDENT No I -- I do I do

At the time I held the hearing I thought

I had the right to hold the hearing based on my

misinterpretation on what I learned at judge

school I knew that I had to grant the motion

just by the fact that I held the hearing

When I came in her~ today I legally

still think I could have held the hearing but

for different reasons because the motion was

legally insufficient based on the case law and

the research that Ive done I didnt think

about the questions that you all have posed me

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Panel properly concluded that a public reprimand would be the appropriate

discipline However if the Court is inclined to alter the discipline the Court

should consider whether the discipline should be enhanced to include a

suspension andor a fine because of the unique circumstances of Judge

Cohens violations

CONCLUSION

Judge Cohen admitted under oath that calling his wife as a witness in

a recusal hearing was wrong (S-Ex H ppAO 4149 50 69) As this Court

reiterated in In re Eriksson 36 So3d 580 (Fla 2010) if the Hearing Panels

findings meet the clear and convincing evidentiary test those findings are

of persuasive force and are given great weight by this Court This Court

also pointed out that the JQC is in a position to evaluate the testimony and

evidence first-hand The findings of the Hearing Panel in this matter are

based upon stipulated evidence admissions from Judge Cohen in his sworn

testimony and reasonable inferences drawn from such evidence This Court

should affirm the Hearing Panels Findings and Conclusions

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wife Holding that hearing did not benefit my wife

in any way whatsoever

Q Did it benefit you

A It didnt benefit me It wasnt part of

my thought process The reason I had the hearing

was the reason that I said -- was just trying to

clear things up When I called Melnick in his

office I just said Im just trying to clear

things up I never said anything bad about

Melnick other than when I responded to JQC because

I think there were issues of credibility I think

they had accused me of some very -- they were way

off in their accusations on their notice of

investigation And I just assumed that some of

those accusations came from Melnick And I just

wanted to paint a little better picture for them of

who Mr Melnick is Hes not the height of

credibility I like him Hes not a bad guy You

know socially hes a good guy I cant explain

Professionally I have problems Socially I have

no problem wi th Steve Melnick

Q Anything else you want to tell the panel

A I need a bathroom break

Q And are you feeling okay now

A Yeah

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representing one of these people -- and Im wrong on

this assumption Im just telling you I assumed

that he had some -- someone else was representing

these people and Melnick just came in and got me off

the case

Q Okay So this is your assumption for

which you have not a scintilla of evidence and that

is that Melnick was doing a favor for somebody else

bumping you off the case so that other lawyer could

represent these people before another judge

A That was the only thing I could think of

why he would file a motion to recuse

Q But you dont have an ounce of proof that

that was the case do you

A And it wasnt the case it

Q It wasnt the case

A It wasnt the case

Q Okay

A Im telling you what my thought process

was August of 2009

Q Okay Now we got that cleared up

A One of the lawyers in his office Valerie

Small-Williams and she had been working very hard

to get me off one of her cases but she had no

grounds And I had thought that this was one of

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those cases But I was wrong

Q You were wrong

A I was wrong No question

Q Were admitting on the stand right now

that this is pure speculation on your part and

theres not a bit of truth to it

A Theres no truth to it And that was my

thought process was that he was just trying to get

me off the case for one of his friends but that -shy

that turned out not to be the case

Q All right Judge Cohen can you

understand why a lawyer in the shoes ofmiddot Mr Melnick

who perceives himself as having gotten into an

adversarial relationship with your wife that

involved what he characterizes as a hostile

telephone conversation ending with a hang-up that

he had at least peripheral involvement in a lawsuit

in which your wife was the named defendant and he

was involved in an adversary -- with an adversarial

election person and the lawsuit actually resulted in

your wifes name being stricken from the ballot and

may have cost her the election that that whole

imbroglio might make him wonder if he should be

bringing clients before you her husband for you to

be the judge on it Do you understand how he might

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whether it was made private My question to you

were those photographs sent to the Judicial

Qualifications Investigative Panel for the sole

purpose of trying to persuade them there was

something bad about Melnick and therefore you must

be telling the truth as to how you handled this

matter

A Theres no question that theres some

type of credibility issue Ther~ were allegations

in the notice of investigation that had been made by

Mr Melnick and I wanted the JQC to understand that

it isa credibility i$sue and that your -- number

one I want you to know about my credibility and I

want you to understand about Steve Melnick so you

can make an intelligent decision I obviously

didnt want the JQC to file charges against me I

was put in a position where I had to defend myself

Q Can I assume Judge Cohen as we sit here

now that you understand that the reason for Rule

2330 saying you dont get into the truthfulness or

lack of truthfulness of whats in front of you is so

the public can have confidence that a judge is not

pitting himself or herself against somebody in front

of them

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h~~erd my wife he would realize what he was

writing wasnt true and we would get past it

be wouldn t file them anymore and this would

clear it up I thought whatever disagreement

he had I thought if he heard from my wife and

he got to speak that would be it and it would

go

And we actually had the hearing And

heres where Im stupid because I actually

thought after thishearing I thought it was

cleared up But apparently ~ot because he

went to the chief criminal administrative judge

and complained that I had a hearing So I had

a hearing with the chief criminal

administrative judge who told me You cant

have hearings if somebody files a motion to

recuse II

And I told Ilona Holmes thats not what

were taught in judicial college Im going to

get to that argument I do have a right to have

a hearing

In any event once I found out he was

upset I called Melnicks office

apologized I told hirq the only reason that I

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I didnt say one word at that recount I

didnt open my mouth at that recount I was

there to watch and support my wife who was

going through a very difficult time in her

life I mean I dont know if you have any

idea how tough it is to be involved in a

recount I mean it turned into a circus And

she had nobody And I was there at the recount

with her

I did not open my mouth once I didnt

talk to anybody at that recount I was just

physically there with her And thats all I

did

I understand about ~erception I handled

this badly I know I handled this badly I

understand its perception I dont think

legally I did anything wrong and thats why I

gave you the cases Its not - Im not an

expert on the area of disqualification Ive

only filed one motion to disqualify in 20 years

as a lawyer

I know its bad And Ive granted every

single one I just -- and I got frustrated

He carne into court and gave me three at once

and I just wanted to clear it up so that he

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wouldnt file them in the future It really

had nothing to do with my wife it was more

just clearing up steve why are you doing

this Im your friend I dont understand

And thats where I was coming from It

really had nothing to do with my wife

THE CHAIR Dr Haber

Judge Wolf

JUDGE WOLF I cant let a couple of

things go You know you came in here saying

you were trying to hold this hearing SO you

could get over the friendship -- or get your

friendship back with this guy And thats not

true It is directly in conflict with what you

just said I held a hearing to get him t6

stop filing these motions That was the

reason you held this hearing And that is

inappropriate for getting someone to stop

filing motions So youre digging yourself a

bigger grave

THE RESPONDENT Can I respond

JUDGE WOLF No

All I want to -- well Ill let you

respond The reason you held that hearing was

to get him to s~op filing motions wasnt it

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THE RESPONDENT Okay I thought that

the reason he was filing the motions was

because he was afraid that I would retaliate

against him And we were friends and if he

understood that we had a friendship and maybe

he misunderstood what was going on between him

and my wife that he wouldnt -- that it would

be okay

And thats what I thought when I left the

hearing its all cleared up he heard her

side she heard his IIAnd now you dont have

to be afraid that I couldnt be fair in your

case II

I thought that Honestly I -- I dont

have a problem recusing myself on cases I

dont own these cases I have no stake in

these cases I just its just frustrating

when somebodys your friend and thinks that you

cant be fair You know Im sure thats

happened to you And its just frustrating

And I was friends with Steve Melnick so

but youre right I mean I didnt want him

to continually file them But the reason he

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THE RESPONDENT Correct

JUDGE SILBERMAN 3(a) of the code A

judge shall hear -- Im sorry 3(b) (1) A

~udge shall hear and decide matters assigned to

the judge except those in which

disqualification is required

Do you understand that sentence

THE RESPONDENT I do

JUDGE SILBERMAN So why dont you

describe for the commission how those two

provisions fit together and support your

conducting an evidentiary hearing in which your

wife is a witness

THE RESPONDENT It doesnt Although

the only thing I could say is that I did

disqualify myself from the hearing There was

no harm well theres harm to the dommunity

I dont want to say that theres no harm but

I mean but Mr Melnick wanted

disqualification I granted his

disqualification I mean my mi~take obviously

was h~ving the hearing But that doesnt

JPPG~ ~ILBE~~~ Couldn t a p~r$on

looking at this say or conclude that you

conducted the hearing in order to intimidate

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JUDGE SILBERMAN- Andmiddot your reo$middotpon~libility

as a judge is not to put Y01rself or the

judiciary in that position r isnt it

THE RESPONDENT Yes

JUDGE SILBERMAN Why wasmiddot your wifemiddot at

THE RESPONDENT I asked her to be there

JUDGE SILBERMAN So you provided for a

witness to attend an evidentiary hearing that

you were going to conduct

THE RESPONDENT (Moving head up amiddotnd

~UDGE SILBERMAN I canthear you

THEmiddot RESmiddotPO~NDENT Yes Yes

J-UDGE SILBEmiddotR~AN She was nomiddott under

sulgtpoena

THE RESPONDENT No

JUDGE SILBERMAN This is an evidentiary

hearing on a motion to disqualify in the ca~e

of State versus Gibbs Wheres the prosecutor

in this hearing

THE RESPONDENT They were in the

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courtroom They might not have announced but

they were in the courtroom

JUDGE SILBERMAN Did you invite them to

participate

THE RESPONDENT They were just sitting

at the prosecutors table

JUDGE SILBERMAN -Did you ask them if

they had any questions of the witness

THE RESPONDENT No

JUDGE SILBERMAN You start out the

hearing by asking your wife if she had the

opportunity to read the motion Correct

THE RESPONDENT Correct

JUDGE SILBERMAN Mr Melnick then

objects relating that-youre going to have to

make -- if you go forward with the hearing

youre going to be making determinations as to

credibility Correct

THE RESPONDENT Correct

JUDGE SILBERMAN And in fact you asked

questions of your wife Is that correct

THE RESPONDENT Thats correct

JUDGE SILBERMAN You indicated that you

knew you were supposed to recuse in this

matter

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THE RESPONDENT correct

Well can I just -- I knew once I held

the hearing I was required to recuse

didnt -- and I knew that the whole purpose of

having the hearing again was to flush things

out But once I started the hearing I knew I

had to recuse

JUDGE SILBERMAN Was the motion legally

sufficient to require your recusal

THE RESPONDENT No

JUDGE SILBERMAN Why didnt you deny it

THE RESPONDENT At the time I thought

I thought it was legal~y sufficient at the

time I also thought I hadnt done anything

wrong at the time When I got this complaint

the notice of investigation I read the rule of

judicial administration which I wasnt aware

and I saw that I couldnt have the hearing

And I realized at that point that I made a

mistake But then in preparing for this

hearing I did some research Im more

familiar with disqualification now And now my

opinion is that the motion is not legally

sufficient At the time my opinion was that it

was legally sufficient

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concluded it was legally sufficient

THE RESPONDENT (Moving head up and

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JUDGE SILBERMAN I cant hear you

THE RESPONDENT Yes At the time - shy

JUDGE SILBERMAN So why - shy

THE RESPONDENT At the time I thought it

wasmiddotlegally sufficient

JUDGE SILBER~AN I~ you thought it was

legally sufficientwhy didnt you recuse

yourself on the spot

THE RESPONDENT Because I thought that I

had the right to hold a hearing based on the

disqualification disclosure packet from the

judicial college I didnt know that it was

required ~nder the Rule of Judicial

Administratioh I was looking at -- you know~

again Do not hold a hearing because it

doesnt require a hearing which means its

discretionary And then it says If you do

h~ld a hearing you must assume the facts are

true and that just by holding a hearing that

alone will require you to disqualify yourself

And thats why I held the hearing

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JUDGE SILBERMAN Well you said you

believed it to be legally sufficient

THE RESPONDENT Correct

JUDGE SILBERMAN In which case

I dont understand the purpose of the

hearing other than look at page seven 4(a)

Expressing displeasure with attorney for

bringing motion to disqualify may be considered

intimidation

THE RESPONDENT Right I didn t express

any displeasure

JUDGE SILBERMAN Conducting a hearing on

a matter that you already determined required

yoti to disqualify yourself is not intimidation

THE RESPONDENT It could be And I

tried to be -- you have to understand I tried

to be nice to him during this hearing I

wasnt going after him and making him feel bad

because he was filing the motion I was just

~rying to flush otit the facts And I said that

in the hearing Im just trying to flush

everything out so that everybody knows

Because we were friends before we can still be

friends And thats why I did it

I didnt study -- you have to understand

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transcript after theres a dialogue again with

Mr Melnick you then state I dont think I

have to make any kind of ruling as to the

factual dispute Is that correct

THE RESPONDENT Correct

JUDGE SILBERMAN In which case again

there was no legally justifiable purpose for

this hearing Is that correct

THE RESPONDENT Yes Yeah theres no

legalJy justifiable purpose correct It wasmiddot

more a moral thing

JUDGE SILBERMAN I was

THE RESPONDENT It was personal It

wasnt -- but it wasnt personal in a negative

way I wasnt attacking the man I was

friends with the man Its hard to explain

when youre a judge and youre friends with

people and then because of an election that

has nothing to do with you now people are

attacking you

But I realize I had no business holding

that hearing And if it looks like because I

held the hearing that alone is intimidation

that really wasnt -- that thought never

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dont know what else

Q Thats fine Ill -- Ill get you back

to where we want to go

A Okay

Q Now it was a little after noon I

believe you said when you arrived in your husbands

courtroom

A Correct

Q Okay And at about 1230 your husband

adjourned and told everyone to come back at 130

Correct

A Correct

Q Okay And then you went to lunch with

him

A Correct

Q All right Just the two of you at lunchZ

A Right

Q All right And your husband asked you to

return to the courtroom with him at 130 Correct

A No He asked me if I was coming back to

the courthouse And I told him that I had hearing

at 130 And he asked me if when I was done if I

would come back into -- come back to his courtroom

A lot of times he would ask me to do that because

there was maybe a closing argument that he thought I L

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might find interesting or a motion to suppress or

an attorneys arguments are interesting or

whatever -- just for interest So he would let me

know ahead of time And so thats why when he said

you know Will you come back after your hearing I

had agreed I would

Q So during your hour long lunch with your

husband you did not discuss the motion -- the

recusal motion that Mr Melnick had filed in the

Gibbs case

A No

Q No discussion of that whatsoever

A No

Q And you did not -- he did not even tell

you that he was going to -- planning to call you as

a wi tness did he

A No

Q Just came as a total shock to you

A Yes

Q Okay And we do have a transcript I

believe thats in the record here of that and

weve been through that already and I dont need to

belabor that with you All right Now-shy

A Im not sure I understand I just want

to be really clear on everything What do you mean

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the back door because my office would be on the

other side of the back door And when were leaving

the courtroom I just asked her Can you corne back

at 130 She told me she had a hearing with Judge

Gates at 130 and then she said she would corne by

as soon as that hearing with Judge Gates was over

JUDGE MENENDEZ Could I corne back and

ask a question now

THE CHAIR Okay with you

JUDGE WARREN Yeah Go ahead

EXAMINATION

BY JUDGE MENENDEZ

Q Did you have any discussions with your

wife over the fact that this lawyer Mr Melnick

was filing all these motions when he was alleging

that she had threatened him during a phone call

A If I did it would have been -shy

Q At anytime

A a year and a half earlier when he

fir s t f i led it

Q Okay And did that concern her at all

as far as expressing any concern to you about it

A This was a very minor instance Like my

wife said this was like middota meaningless event She

had run two campaigns where theres serious issues

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with serious candidates violating rules that really

needed attention This was -- she called Melnick

up she said You cant have re-elect You

cant ~- you need to say retain He changed it

and that was it I mean Melnick corrected it right

away My wife called him right away and said you

know Youre violating the rules It was

corrected and that was the end of it

Q There was apparently a disagreement at

the hearing between Mr Melnick and your wife where

I thought that her initial testimony at the hearing

before you was that she had called him because there

was a disclaimer missing from some advertisement for

Judge Dijols and then Mr Melnick contradicted her

on that and said No it didnt deal with the

disclaimer It dealt with the re-elect versus

retain

A Exactly The disclaimer on ~very

political advertisement says This ad has been

approved by the candidate This shows that my wife

and I didnt discuss it Because my wife didnt

ev~n get the issue right If I had discussed this

with my wife she would have known what the issue

was and she would have been correct ~n her

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Q So you credited Mr Melnicks credibility

rather than hers

A Melnick was right Hey look you

know

Q All right

A But if my wife and I talked about it she

would have gotten it right she came to court and

she had no idea and

Q Well she had some idea didnt she that

you were going

A She knew she was coming to a hearing

Q About the motions to recuse

A About Melnick

Q And his motions to recuse

A Yes

Q Okay You did tell her that ahead of

time In fact Mr Schneider phrased it says We

got another one of those Would you mind coming and

testifying And you said That was probably

exactly what was said

A Well I -- I didnt remember

QPage 62

A I asked her can you -- can you come

back I dont know that my wife knew that Melnick

had filed -- theres no way she didnt know

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theres no way she knew because I dont discuss

these things with her I just sign them and go on

I dont give my wife a recount of everything I do

every day

Q I thought a minute ago you said you had

some discussions with her -shy

A Maybe when he first filed it a year and a

half earlier but since then I never

Q Well she was aware that he had accused

her of threatening him in at least one motion to

recuse

A Yeah

Q Okay

A Yeah Yeah

Q And that - - the way Mr Schneider phrased

it he said Was there communication to the fact

that quote unquote weve got another one of

those Would you mind coming to testify

A Well those arent my words Those are

Mr Schneiders

Q They are but you said that was probably

exactly what was said

A The substance You know its -- I -- I

dont know

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A Those arent my words I mean I dont

use those words But I said Can you come back

You know Im doing a hearing on Melnicks motion to

recuse

Q But you did ask her to come to court and

she did know that she was coming to court to talk

about the motion

A I dont think she knew that she was going

to be testifying but she knew she was coming to

court and it was on Melnicks motion

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EXAMINATION

BY MR DUNKINSON

Q I want to continue with that before I ask

my other questions I apologize because Im the

layperson here so I have a lot of -shy

THE CHAIR Mr Catalano has pointed that

out

Q I want to make sure I understand this

because I just -- Im very confused about the

conversation with you and your wife and what the

judges have asked Page 61 this is your quote not

Schneiders I probably told her -- I may have

told her that you know Steves filed a motion to

recuse based on that conversation What L

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conversation are we talking about Is that not the

phone conversation that were talking about

A Right That would have been the phone

conversation

Q So at that point which is at your lunch

or before your lunch your wife knew what you were

going to be asking her to do Because you then

say -- or Mr Schneider says on 62 There was a

communication of the fact that quote Weve got

another one of these Would you mind coming to

testify And you again said That was probably

exactly what was saiq

A I didnt remember specifically what I had

told her I mean if you look at Line 17 on 61 I

say I probably told her and then I say I may have

told her I didnt remember exactly what I told

her I just know that I told her I was doing a

motion to recuse at 130 and if she could come back

and specifically I didnt remember

Q All right So those statements you -shy

are you now saying that those statements are not

correct Is that what youre saying

A No Im saying -shy

Q Are you retracting those

A -- I may have told her I probably -- I

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dont remember specifically Certainly today I

dont remember specifically what I told her a year

and a half ago

Q I understand

A But when this happened when I gave this

statement and I think it was November -- yeah

November I wasnt a hundred percent what I told

her August 6th

Q All right Well the only point is you

know in her testimony yesterday as well as yours

both of you denied that you had any conversation

about it

A No I asked her to come back at 130

Q She claimed she knew nothing about what

it was about

A She didnt know I was going to be calling

her as

Q Implied that she did

A -- a witness

THE CHAIR Lets each of you finish

talking and the other can answer

Q All right Question the motion to

recuse again I dont know this but I have a

limited understanding -- can it not be the lawyer

that has an issue with you in addition to the

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I didnt study this disquaiification and

disclosure I justwent by what I learned at

judicial college two years earlier You know

I -- its impossible to know everything they

teach you at judicial college They give you

2000 pages worth of material for Session A

they give you 2000 pages of material for

Session B and were going to make mistakes

THE CHAIR I hate to interrupt When

did you go to judicial college

THE RE$PONDENT I went March I guess

2007 and -shy

THE CHAIR Did you just put these in a

closet and not read them

I mean I dont want to hear 2000

pages

Im sorry Judge

JUDGE SILBERMAN As ~e sit heremiddot today

do you agree that you violated Canons 3 3 (b)

the provisions that we went through

THE RESPONDENT Ye~

JUDGE SILBERMAN Canon 2(a) A Judge

sha-lmiddotl relJpect and aomply wi-th the Lawmiddot and sha]l

public conpoundidence and the integrity and ~

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JUDGE SILBERMAN Do you believe t~a t

yqur conduct is in violation of Canon 2(a)

THE RESPONDENT yemiddots bull

don t believe was on the nmiddototice of

investigation but I do think it s pertinent i

UA judge smiddothall not allow f amily smiddotocial

pcgtlitical or other relationshipmiddotsmiddot to influente

t~e judges judicial conduct or judgmenmiddott II

Do you think that someone cmiddotould look at

Y9u r conduct and say 11 Sounds like there s a

pzolgtlem with 2 (b) as wellmiddot II

THE RESPONDENT You know I just -- Im

going to say yes I just -- you know I made

it very careful that I would not -- I didnt

comment on my wifes testimony I didnt say

liMy wife is right and youre wrong I believe

my wife II I just -- I didnt go anywhere near

there I just backed off and said IIIm not

making any rulings Your motions granted

I just tried to clear this matter up We

were friends before And thats what I did

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JUDGE FREEMAN So they were not trying

to participate Right

THE RESPONDENT No No they werent

trying to participate

JUDGE FREEMAN Had the State Attorneys

Office ever request that you have that hearing

THE RESPONDENT No

JUDGE FREEMAN Had the State Attorneys

Office ever objected to the motion to recuse

THE RESPONDENT No

JUDGE FREEMAN Thank you

THE CHAIR Mr Morales

MR MORALES Your Honor one thing

Obviously whats legally sufficient for a

layperson I dont -- Ill leave that to the

judges and the lawyers but the fact that you

happened to go t~lunch with your wife that day

and you said Oh why dont you come on by

Were going to have this little hearing do

you think thats appropriate

THE RESPONDENT I didnt I dont -shy

its not -- the whole thing is not appropriate

The fact that I had the hearing I know is not

appropriate Probably not

MR MORALES Have you ever heard of

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Hey Im going to have a hearing after lunch

Why dont you come by and testify

THE RESPONDENT No

MR MORALES Okay You thought you

should have had this hearing

THE RESPONDENT At the time yes now

no But-shy

MR MORALES Youre going to take a

li~t~e time the next time and think about what

youre doing

THE RESPONDENT It wasnt my intent -shy

you have to understand it wasnt my intent I

wouldnt have called the guy like a couple of

days later and said Im sorry I told him

the whole thing blew up My intent was just to

repair a friendship I just

MR MORALES Repairing your f~iendship

seems to work a lot better when youre sitti~g

down talking to somebody over a cold beer or -shy

either that or just sitting in your chambers

Hey lets talk about this

THE RESPONDENT I know But if it goes

bad then theyre saying youre berating them

in chambers I just should have let it go and

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JUDGE SILVERNAIL Well is that the only

reason you think it was inappropriate

THE RESPONDENT I do think his motion

was legally insufficient and I should have

just denied it as legally insufficient and

closed the book on that case

JUDGE SILVERNAIL Okay That answers my

questions Thank you

THE RESPONDENT Okay Thank you

THE CHAIR Anybody anything else

Judge do you want to close wrap up

THE RESPONDENT No I -- I do I do

At the time I held the hearing I thought

I had the right to hold the hearing based on my

misinterpretation on what I learned at judge

school I knew that I had to grant the motion

just by the fact that I held the hearing

When I came in her~ today I legally

still think I could have held the hearing but

for different reasons because the motion was

legally insufficient based on the case law and

the research that Ive done I didnt think

about the questions that you all have posed me

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1612 Miami FL 33156 and Henry M Coxe III Esq Chairman JQC

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wife Holding that hearing did not benefit my wife

in any way whatsoever

Q Did it benefit you

A It didnt benefit me It wasnt part of

my thought process The reason I had the hearing

was the reason that I said -- was just trying to

clear things up When I called Melnick in his

office I just said Im just trying to clear

things up I never said anything bad about

Melnick other than when I responded to JQC because

I think there were issues of credibility I think

they had accused me of some very -- they were way

off in their accusations on their notice of

investigation And I just assumed that some of

those accusations came from Melnick And I just

wanted to paint a little better picture for them of

who Mr Melnick is Hes not the height of

credibility I like him Hes not a bad guy You

know socially hes a good guy I cant explain

Professionally I have problems Socially I have

no problem wi th Steve Melnick

Q Anything else you want to tell the panel

A I need a bathroom break

Q And are you feeling okay now

A Yeah

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representing one of these people -- and Im wrong on

this assumption Im just telling you I assumed

that he had some -- someone else was representing

these people and Melnick just came in and got me off

the case

Q Okay So this is your assumption for

which you have not a scintilla of evidence and that

is that Melnick was doing a favor for somebody else

bumping you off the case so that other lawyer could

represent these people before another judge

A That was the only thing I could think of

why he would file a motion to recuse

Q But you dont have an ounce of proof that

that was the case do you

A And it wasnt the case it

Q It wasnt the case

A It wasnt the case

Q Okay

A Im telling you what my thought process

was August of 2009

Q Okay Now we got that cleared up

A One of the lawyers in his office Valerie

Small-Williams and she had been working very hard

to get me off one of her cases but she had no

grounds And I had thought that this was one of

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Q You were wrong

A I was wrong No question

Q Were admitting on the stand right now

that this is pure speculation on your part and

theres not a bit of truth to it

A Theres no truth to it And that was my

thought process was that he was just trying to get

me off the case for one of his friends but that -shy

that turned out not to be the case

Q All right Judge Cohen can you

understand why a lawyer in the shoes ofmiddot Mr Melnick

who perceives himself as having gotten into an

adversarial relationship with your wife that

involved what he characterizes as a hostile

telephone conversation ending with a hang-up that

he had at least peripheral involvement in a lawsuit

in which your wife was the named defendant and he

was involved in an adversary -- with an adversarial

election person and the lawsuit actually resulted in

your wifes name being stricken from the ballot and

may have cost her the election that that whole

imbroglio might make him wonder if he should be

bringing clients before you her husband for you to

be the judge on it Do you understand how he might

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whether it was made private My question to you

were those photographs sent to the Judicial

Qualifications Investigative Panel for the sole

purpose of trying to persuade them there was

something bad about Melnick and therefore you must

be telling the truth as to how you handled this

matter

A Theres no question that theres some

type of credibility issue Ther~ were allegations

in the notice of investigation that had been made by

Mr Melnick and I wanted the JQC to understand that

it isa credibility i$sue and that your -- number

one I want you to know about my credibility and I

want you to understand about Steve Melnick so you

can make an intelligent decision I obviously

didnt want the JQC to file charges against me I

was put in a position where I had to defend myself

Q Can I assume Judge Cohen as we sit here

now that you understand that the reason for Rule

2330 saying you dont get into the truthfulness or

lack of truthfulness of whats in front of you is so

the public can have confidence that a judge is not

pitting himself or herself against somebody in front

of them

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h~~erd my wife he would realize what he was

writing wasnt true and we would get past it

be wouldn t file them anymore and this would

clear it up I thought whatever disagreement

he had I thought if he heard from my wife and

he got to speak that would be it and it would

go

And we actually had the hearing And

heres where Im stupid because I actually

thought after thishearing I thought it was

cleared up But apparently ~ot because he

went to the chief criminal administrative judge

and complained that I had a hearing So I had

a hearing with the chief criminal

administrative judge who told me You cant

have hearings if somebody files a motion to

recuse II

And I told Ilona Holmes thats not what

were taught in judicial college Im going to

get to that argument I do have a right to have

a hearing

In any event once I found out he was

upset I called Melnicks office

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I didnt say one word at that recount I

didnt open my mouth at that recount I was

there to watch and support my wife who was

going through a very difficult time in her

life I mean I dont know if you have any

idea how tough it is to be involved in a

recount I mean it turned into a circus And

she had nobody And I was there at the recount

with her

I did not open my mouth once I didnt

talk to anybody at that recount I was just

physically there with her And thats all I

did

I understand about ~erception I handled

this badly I know I handled this badly I

understand its perception I dont think

legally I did anything wrong and thats why I

gave you the cases Its not - Im not an

expert on the area of disqualification Ive

only filed one motion to disqualify in 20 years

as a lawyer

I know its bad And Ive granted every

single one I just -- and I got frustrated

He carne into court and gave me three at once

and I just wanted to clear it up so that he

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wouldnt file them in the future It really

had nothing to do with my wife it was more

just clearing up steve why are you doing

this Im your friend I dont understand

And thats where I was coming from It

really had nothing to do with my wife

THE CHAIR Dr Haber

Judge Wolf

JUDGE WOLF I cant let a couple of

things go You know you came in here saying

you were trying to hold this hearing SO you

could get over the friendship -- or get your

friendship back with this guy And thats not

true It is directly in conflict with what you

just said I held a hearing to get him t6

stop filing these motions That was the

reason you held this hearing And that is

inappropriate for getting someone to stop

filing motions So youre digging yourself a

bigger grave

THE RESPONDENT Can I respond

JUDGE WOLF No

All I want to -- well Ill let you

respond The reason you held that hearing was

to get him to s~op filing motions wasnt it

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THE RESPONDENT Okay I thought that

the reason he was filing the motions was

because he was afraid that I would retaliate

against him And we were friends and if he

understood that we had a friendship and maybe

he misunderstood what was going on between him

and my wife that he wouldnt -- that it would

be okay

And thats what I thought when I left the

hearing its all cleared up he heard her

side she heard his IIAnd now you dont have

to be afraid that I couldnt be fair in your

case II

I thought that Honestly I -- I dont

have a problem recusing myself on cases I

dont own these cases I have no stake in

these cases I just its just frustrating

when somebodys your friend and thinks that you

cant be fair You know Im sure thats

happened to you And its just frustrating

And I was friends with Steve Melnick so

but youre right I mean I didnt want him

to continually file them But the reason he

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THE RESPONDENT Correct

JUDGE SILBERMAN 3(a) of the code A

judge shall hear -- Im sorry 3(b) (1) A

~udge shall hear and decide matters assigned to

the judge except those in which

disqualification is required

Do you understand that sentence

THE RESPONDENT I do

JUDGE SILBERMAN So why dont you

describe for the commission how those two

provisions fit together and support your

conducting an evidentiary hearing in which your

wife is a witness

THE RESPONDENT It doesnt Although

the only thing I could say is that I did

disqualify myself from the hearing There was

no harm well theres harm to the dommunity

I dont want to say that theres no harm but

I mean but Mr Melnick wanted

disqualification I granted his

disqualification I mean my mi~take obviously

was h~ving the hearing But that doesnt

JPPG~ ~ILBE~~~ Couldn t a p~r$on

looking at this say or conclude that you

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JUDGE SILBERMAN- Andmiddot your reo$middotpon~libility

as a judge is not to put Y01rself or the

judiciary in that position r isnt it

THE RESPONDENT Yes

JUDGE SILBERMAN Why wasmiddot your wifemiddot at

THE RESPONDENT I asked her to be there

JUDGE SILBERMAN So you provided for a

witness to attend an evidentiary hearing that

you were going to conduct

THE RESPONDENT (Moving head up amiddotnd

~UDGE SILBERMAN I canthear you

THEmiddot RESmiddotPO~NDENT Yes Yes

J-UDGE SILBEmiddotR~AN She was nomiddott under

sulgtpoena

THE RESPONDENT No

JUDGE SILBERMAN This is an evidentiary

hearing on a motion to disqualify in the ca~e

of State versus Gibbs Wheres the prosecutor

in this hearing

THE RESPONDENT They were in the

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they were in the courtroom

JUDGE SILBERMAN Did you invite them to

participate

THE RESPONDENT They were just sitting

at the prosecutors table

JUDGE SILBERMAN -Did you ask them if

they had any questions of the witness

THE RESPONDENT No

JUDGE SILBERMAN You start out the

hearing by asking your wife if she had the

opportunity to read the motion Correct

THE RESPONDENT Correct

JUDGE SILBERMAN Mr Melnick then

objects relating that-youre going to have to

make -- if you go forward with the hearing

youre going to be making determinations as to

credibility Correct

THE RESPONDENT Correct

JUDGE SILBERMAN And in fact you asked

questions of your wife Is that correct

THE RESPONDENT Thats correct

JUDGE SILBERMAN You indicated that you

knew you were supposed to recuse in this

matter

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Well can I just -- I knew once I held

the hearing I was required to recuse

didnt -- and I knew that the whole purpose of

having the hearing again was to flush things

out But once I started the hearing I knew I

had to recuse

JUDGE SILBERMAN Was the motion legally

sufficient to require your recusal

THE RESPONDENT No

JUDGE SILBERMAN Why didnt you deny it

THE RESPONDENT At the time I thought

I thought it was legal~y sufficient at the

time I also thought I hadnt done anything

wrong at the time When I got this complaint

the notice of investigation I read the rule of

judicial administration which I wasnt aware

and I saw that I couldnt have the hearing

And I realized at that point that I made a

mistake But then in preparing for this

hearing I did some research Im more

familiar with disqualification now And now my

opinion is that the motion is not legally

sufficient At the time my opinion was that it

was legally sufficient

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THE RESPONDENT (Moving head up and

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JUDGE SILBERMAN I cant hear you

THE RESPONDENT Yes At the time - shy

JUDGE SILBERMAN So why - shy

THE RESPONDENT At the time I thought it

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JUDGE SILBER~AN I~ you thought it was

legally sufficientwhy didnt you recuse

yourself on the spot

THE RESPONDENT Because I thought that I

had the right to hold a hearing based on the

disqualification disclosure packet from the

judicial college I didnt know that it was

required ~nder the Rule of Judicial

Administratioh I was looking at -- you know~

again Do not hold a hearing because it

doesnt require a hearing which means its

discretionary And then it says If you do

h~ld a hearing you must assume the facts are

true and that just by holding a hearing that

alone will require you to disqualify yourself

And thats why I held the hearing

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JUDGE SILBERMAN Well you said you

believed it to be legally sufficient

THE RESPONDENT Correct

JUDGE SILBERMAN In which case

I dont understand the purpose of the

hearing other than look at page seven 4(a)

Expressing displeasure with attorney for

bringing motion to disqualify may be considered

intimidation

THE RESPONDENT Right I didn t express

any displeasure

JUDGE SILBERMAN Conducting a hearing on

a matter that you already determined required

yoti to disqualify yourself is not intimidation

THE RESPONDENT It could be And I

tried to be -- you have to understand I tried

to be nice to him during this hearing I

wasnt going after him and making him feel bad

because he was filing the motion I was just

~rying to flush otit the facts And I said that

in the hearing Im just trying to flush

everything out so that everybody knows

Because we were friends before we can still be

friends And thats why I did it

I didnt study -- you have to understand

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JUDGE SILBERMAN On page 13 of the

transcript after theres a dialogue again with

Mr Melnick you then state I dont think I

have to make any kind of ruling as to the

factual dispute Is that correct

THE RESPONDENT Correct

JUDGE SILBERMAN In which case again

there was no legally justifiable purpose for

this hearing Is that correct

THE RESPONDENT Yes Yeah theres no

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more a moral thing

JUDGE SILBERMAN I was

THE RESPONDENT It was personal It

wasnt -- but it wasnt personal in a negative

way I wasnt attacking the man I was

friends with the man Its hard to explain

when youre a judge and youre friends with

people and then because of an election that

has nothing to do with you now people are

attacking you

But I realize I had no business holding

that hearing And if it looks like because I

held the hearing that alone is intimidation

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dont know what else

Q Thats fine Ill -- Ill get you back

to where we want to go

A Okay

Q Now it was a little after noon I

believe you said when you arrived in your husbands

courtroom

A Correct

Q Okay And at about 1230 your husband

adjourned and told everyone to come back at 130

Correct

A Correct

Q Okay And then you went to lunch with

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A Correct

Q All right Just the two of you at lunchZ

A Right

Q All right And your husband asked you to

return to the courtroom with him at 130 Correct

A No He asked me if I was coming back to

the courthouse And I told him that I had hearing

at 130 And he asked me if when I was done if I

would come back into -- come back to his courtroom

A lot of times he would ask me to do that because

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might find interesting or a motion to suppress or

an attorneys arguments are interesting or

whatever -- just for interest So he would let me

know ahead of time And so thats why when he said

you know Will you come back after your hearing I

had agreed I would

Q So during your hour long lunch with your

husband you did not discuss the motion -- the

recusal motion that Mr Melnick had filed in the

Gibbs case

A No

Q No discussion of that whatsoever

A No

Q And you did not -- he did not even tell

you that he was going to -- planning to call you as

a wi tness did he

A No

Q Just came as a total shock to you

A Yes

Q Okay And we do have a transcript I

believe thats in the record here of that and

weve been through that already and I dont need to

belabor that with you All right Now-shy

A Im not sure I understand I just want

to be really clear on everything What do you mean

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the back door because my office would be on the

other side of the back door And when were leaving

the courtroom I just asked her Can you corne back

at 130 She told me she had a hearing with Judge

Gates at 130 and then she said she would corne by

as soon as that hearing with Judge Gates was over

JUDGE MENENDEZ Could I corne back and

ask a question now

THE CHAIR Okay with you

JUDGE WARREN Yeah Go ahead

EXAMINATION

BY JUDGE MENENDEZ

Q Did you have any discussions with your

wife over the fact that this lawyer Mr Melnick

was filing all these motions when he was alleging

that she had threatened him during a phone call

A If I did it would have been -shy

Q At anytime

A a year and a half earlier when he

fir s t f i led it

Q Okay And did that concern her at all

as far as expressing any concern to you about it

A This was a very minor instance Like my

wife said this was like middota meaningless event She

had run two campaigns where theres serious issues

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with serious candidates violating rules that really

needed attention This was -- she called Melnick

up she said You cant have re-elect You

cant ~- you need to say retain He changed it

and that was it I mean Melnick corrected it right

away My wife called him right away and said you

know Youre violating the rules It was

corrected and that was the end of it

Q There was apparently a disagreement at

the hearing between Mr Melnick and your wife where

I thought that her initial testimony at the hearing

before you was that she had called him because there

was a disclaimer missing from some advertisement for

Judge Dijols and then Mr Melnick contradicted her

on that and said No it didnt deal with the

disclaimer It dealt with the re-elect versus

retain

A Exactly The disclaimer on ~very

political advertisement says This ad has been

approved by the candidate This shows that my wife

and I didnt discuss it Because my wife didnt

ev~n get the issue right If I had discussed this

with my wife she would have known what the issue

was and she would have been correct ~n her

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Q So you credited Mr Melnicks credibility

rather than hers

A Melnick was right Hey look you

know

Q All right

A But if my wife and I talked about it she

would have gotten it right she came to court and

she had no idea and

Q Well she had some idea didnt she that

you were going

A She knew she was coming to a hearing

Q About the motions to recuse

A About Melnick

Q And his motions to recuse

A Yes

Q Okay You did tell her that ahead of

time In fact Mr Schneider phrased it says We

got another one of those Would you mind coming and

testifying And you said That was probably

exactly what was said

A Well I -- I didnt remember

QPage 62

A I asked her can you -- can you come

back I dont know that my wife knew that Melnick

had filed -- theres no way she didnt know

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theres no way she knew because I dont discuss

these things with her I just sign them and go on

I dont give my wife a recount of everything I do

every day

Q I thought a minute ago you said you had

some discussions with her -shy

A Maybe when he first filed it a year and a

half earlier but since then I never

Q Well she was aware that he had accused

her of threatening him in at least one motion to

recuse

A Yeah

Q Okay

A Yeah Yeah

Q And that - - the way Mr Schneider phrased

it he said Was there communication to the fact

that quote unquote weve got another one of

those Would you mind coming to testify

A Well those arent my words Those are

Mr Schneiders

Q They are but you said that was probably

exactly what was said

A The substance You know its -- I -- I

dont know

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A Those arent my words I mean I dont

use those words But I said Can you come back

You know Im doing a hearing on Melnicks motion to

recuse

Q But you did ask her to come to court and

she did know that she was coming to court to talk

about the motion

A I dont think she knew that she was going

to be testifying but she knew she was coming to

court and it was on Melnicks motion

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EXAMINATION

BY MR DUNKINSON

Q I want to continue with that before I ask

my other questions I apologize because Im the

layperson here so I have a lot of -shy

THE CHAIR Mr Catalano has pointed that

out

Q I want to make sure I understand this

because I just -- Im very confused about the

conversation with you and your wife and what the

judges have asked Page 61 this is your quote not

Schneiders I probably told her -- I may have

told her that you know Steves filed a motion to

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conversation are we talking about Is that not the

phone conversation that were talking about

A Right That would have been the phone

conversation

Q So at that point which is at your lunch

or before your lunch your wife knew what you were

going to be asking her to do Because you then

say -- or Mr Schneider says on 62 There was a

communication of the fact that quote Weve got

another one of these Would you mind coming to

testify And you again said That was probably

exactly what was saiq

A I didnt remember specifically what I had

told her I mean if you look at Line 17 on 61 I

say I probably told her and then I say I may have

told her I didnt remember exactly what I told

her I just know that I told her I was doing a

motion to recuse at 130 and if she could come back

and specifically I didnt remember

Q All right So those statements you -shy

are you now saying that those statements are not

correct Is that what youre saying

A No Im saying -shy

Q Are you retracting those

A -- I may have told her I probably -- I

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dont remember specifically Certainly today I

dont remember specifically what I told her a year

and a half ago

Q I understand

A But when this happened when I gave this

statement and I think it was November -- yeah

November I wasnt a hundred percent what I told

her August 6th

Q All right Well the only point is you

know in her testimony yesterday as well as yours

both of you denied that you had any conversation

about it

A No I asked her to come back at 130

Q She claimed she knew nothing about what

it was about

A She didnt know I was going to be calling

her as

Q Implied that she did

A -- a witness

THE CHAIR Lets each of you finish

talking and the other can answer

Q All right Question the motion to

recuse again I dont know this but I have a

limited understanding -- can it not be the lawyer

that has an issue with you in addition to the

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I didnt study this disquaiification and

disclosure I justwent by what I learned at

judicial college two years earlier You know

I -- its impossible to know everything they

teach you at judicial college They give you

2000 pages worth of material for Session A

they give you 2000 pages of material for

Session B and were going to make mistakes

THE CHAIR I hate to interrupt When

did you go to judicial college

THE RE$PONDENT I went March I guess

2007 and -shy

THE CHAIR Did you just put these in a

closet and not read them

I mean I dont want to hear 2000

pages

Im sorry Judge

JUDGE SILBERMAN As ~e sit heremiddot today

do you agree that you violated Canons 3 3 (b)

the provisions that we went through

THE RESPONDENT Ye~

JUDGE SILBERMAN Canon 2(a) A Judge

sha-lmiddotl relJpect and aomply wi-th the Lawmiddot and sha]l

public conpoundidence and the integrity and ~

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JUDGE SILBERMAN Do you believe t~a t

yqur conduct is in violation of Canon 2(a)

THE RESPONDENT yemiddots bull

don t believe was on the nmiddototice of

investigation but I do think it s pertinent i

UA judge smiddothall not allow f amily smiddotocial

pcgtlitical or other relationshipmiddotsmiddot to influente

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Do you think that someone cmiddotould look at

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THE RESPONDENT You know I just -- Im

going to say yes I just -- you know I made

it very careful that I would not -- I didnt

comment on my wifes testimony I didnt say

liMy wife is right and youre wrong I believe

my wife II I just -- I didnt go anywhere near

there I just backed off and said IIIm not

making any rulings Your motions granted

I just tried to clear this matter up We

were friends before And thats what I did

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JUDGE FREEMAN So they were not trying

to participate Right

THE RESPONDENT No No they werent

trying to participate

JUDGE FREEMAN Had the State Attorneys

Office ever request that you have that hearing

THE RESPONDENT No

JUDGE FREEMAN Had the State Attorneys

Office ever objected to the motion to recuse

THE RESPONDENT No

JUDGE FREEMAN Thank you

THE CHAIR Mr Morales

MR MORALES Your Honor one thing

Obviously whats legally sufficient for a

layperson I dont -- Ill leave that to the

judges and the lawyers but the fact that you

happened to go t~lunch with your wife that day

and you said Oh why dont you come on by

Were going to have this little hearing do

you think thats appropriate

THE RESPONDENT I didnt I dont -shy

its not -- the whole thing is not appropriate

The fact that I had the hearing I know is not

appropriate Probably not

MR MORALES Have you ever heard of

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Hey Im going to have a hearing after lunch

Why dont you come by and testify

THE RESPONDENT No

MR MORALES Okay You thought you

should have had this hearing

THE RESPONDENT At the time yes now

no But-shy

MR MORALES Youre going to take a

li~t~e time the next time and think about what

youre doing

THE RESPONDENT It wasnt my intent -shy

you have to understand it wasnt my intent I

wouldnt have called the guy like a couple of

days later and said Im sorry I told him

the whole thing blew up My intent was just to

repair a friendship I just

MR MORALES Repairing your f~iendship

seems to work a lot better when youre sitti~g

down talking to somebody over a cold beer or -shy

either that or just sitting in your chambers

Hey lets talk about this

THE RESPONDENT I know But if it goes

bad then theyre saying youre berating them

in chambers I just should have let it go and

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JUDGE SILVERNAIL Well is that the only

reason you think it was inappropriate

THE RESPONDENT I do think his motion

was legally insufficient and I should have

just denied it as legally insufficient and

closed the book on that case

JUDGE SILVERNAIL Okay That answers my

questions Thank you

THE RESPONDENT Okay Thank you

THE CHAIR Anybody anything else

Judge do you want to close wrap up

THE RESPONDENT No I -- I do I do

At the time I held the hearing I thought

I had the right to hold the hearing based on my

misinterpretation on what I learned at judge

school I knew that I had to grant the motion

just by the fact that I held the hearing

When I came in her~ today I legally

still think I could have held the hearing but

for different reasons because the motion was

legally insufficient based on the case law and

the research that Ive done I didnt think

about the questions that you all have posed me

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wife Holding that hearing did not benefit my wife

in any way whatsoever

Q Did it benefit you

A It didnt benefit me It wasnt part of

my thought process The reason I had the hearing

was the reason that I said -- was just trying to

clear things up When I called Melnick in his

office I just said Im just trying to clear

things up I never said anything bad about

Melnick other than when I responded to JQC because

I think there were issues of credibility I think

they had accused me of some very -- they were way

off in their accusations on their notice of

investigation And I just assumed that some of

those accusations came from Melnick And I just

wanted to paint a little better picture for them of

who Mr Melnick is Hes not the height of

credibility I like him Hes not a bad guy You

know socially hes a good guy I cant explain

Professionally I have problems Socially I have

no problem wi th Steve Melnick

Q Anything else you want to tell the panel

A I need a bathroom break

Q And are you feeling okay now

A Yeah

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representing one of these people -- and Im wrong on

this assumption Im just telling you I assumed

that he had some -- someone else was representing

these people and Melnick just came in and got me off

the case

Q Okay So this is your assumption for

which you have not a scintilla of evidence and that

is that Melnick was doing a favor for somebody else

bumping you off the case so that other lawyer could

represent these people before another judge

A That was the only thing I could think of

why he would file a motion to recuse

Q But you dont have an ounce of proof that

that was the case do you

A And it wasnt the case it

Q It wasnt the case

A It wasnt the case

Q Okay

A Im telling you what my thought process

was August of 2009

Q Okay Now we got that cleared up

A One of the lawyers in his office Valerie

Small-Williams and she had been working very hard

to get me off one of her cases but she had no

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Q You were wrong

A I was wrong No question

Q Were admitting on the stand right now

that this is pure speculation on your part and

theres not a bit of truth to it

A Theres no truth to it And that was my

thought process was that he was just trying to get

me off the case for one of his friends but that -shy

that turned out not to be the case

Q All right Judge Cohen can you

understand why a lawyer in the shoes ofmiddot Mr Melnick

who perceives himself as having gotten into an

adversarial relationship with your wife that

involved what he characterizes as a hostile

telephone conversation ending with a hang-up that

he had at least peripheral involvement in a lawsuit

in which your wife was the named defendant and he

was involved in an adversary -- with an adversarial

election person and the lawsuit actually resulted in

your wifes name being stricken from the ballot and

may have cost her the election that that whole

imbroglio might make him wonder if he should be

bringing clients before you her husband for you to

be the judge on it Do you understand how he might

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whether it was made private My question to you

were those photographs sent to the Judicial

Qualifications Investigative Panel for the sole

purpose of trying to persuade them there was

something bad about Melnick and therefore you must

be telling the truth as to how you handled this

matter

A Theres no question that theres some

type of credibility issue Ther~ were allegations

in the notice of investigation that had been made by

Mr Melnick and I wanted the JQC to understand that

it isa credibility i$sue and that your -- number

one I want you to know about my credibility and I

want you to understand about Steve Melnick so you

can make an intelligent decision I obviously

didnt want the JQC to file charges against me I

was put in a position where I had to defend myself

Q Can I assume Judge Cohen as we sit here

now that you understand that the reason for Rule

2330 saying you dont get into the truthfulness or

lack of truthfulness of whats in front of you is so

the public can have confidence that a judge is not

pitting himself or herself against somebody in front

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h~~erd my wife he would realize what he was

writing wasnt true and we would get past it

be wouldn t file them anymore and this would

clear it up I thought whatever disagreement

he had I thought if he heard from my wife and

he got to speak that would be it and it would

go

And we actually had the hearing And

heres where Im stupid because I actually

thought after thishearing I thought it was

cleared up But apparently ~ot because he

went to the chief criminal administrative judge

and complained that I had a hearing So I had

a hearing with the chief criminal

administrative judge who told me You cant

have hearings if somebody files a motion to

recuse II

And I told Ilona Holmes thats not what

were taught in judicial college Im going to

get to that argument I do have a right to have

a hearing

In any event once I found out he was

upset I called Melnicks office

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I didnt say one word at that recount I

didnt open my mouth at that recount I was

there to watch and support my wife who was

going through a very difficult time in her

life I mean I dont know if you have any

idea how tough it is to be involved in a

recount I mean it turned into a circus And

she had nobody And I was there at the recount

with her

I did not open my mouth once I didnt

talk to anybody at that recount I was just

physically there with her And thats all I

did

I understand about ~erception I handled

this badly I know I handled this badly I

understand its perception I dont think

legally I did anything wrong and thats why I

gave you the cases Its not - Im not an

expert on the area of disqualification Ive

only filed one motion to disqualify in 20 years

as a lawyer

I know its bad And Ive granted every

single one I just -- and I got frustrated

He carne into court and gave me three at once

and I just wanted to clear it up so that he

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wouldnt file them in the future It really

had nothing to do with my wife it was more

just clearing up steve why are you doing

this Im your friend I dont understand

And thats where I was coming from It

really had nothing to do with my wife

THE CHAIR Dr Haber

Judge Wolf

JUDGE WOLF I cant let a couple of

things go You know you came in here saying

you were trying to hold this hearing SO you

could get over the friendship -- or get your

friendship back with this guy And thats not

true It is directly in conflict with what you

just said I held a hearing to get him t6

stop filing these motions That was the

reason you held this hearing And that is

inappropriate for getting someone to stop

filing motions So youre digging yourself a

bigger grave

THE RESPONDENT Can I respond

JUDGE WOLF No

All I want to -- well Ill let you

respond The reason you held that hearing was

to get him to s~op filing motions wasnt it

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THE RESPONDENT Okay I thought that

the reason he was filing the motions was

because he was afraid that I would retaliate

against him And we were friends and if he

understood that we had a friendship and maybe

he misunderstood what was going on between him

and my wife that he wouldnt -- that it would

be okay

And thats what I thought when I left the

hearing its all cleared up he heard her

side she heard his IIAnd now you dont have

to be afraid that I couldnt be fair in your

case II

I thought that Honestly I -- I dont

have a problem recusing myself on cases I

dont own these cases I have no stake in

these cases I just its just frustrating

when somebodys your friend and thinks that you

cant be fair You know Im sure thats

happened to you And its just frustrating

And I was friends with Steve Melnick so

but youre right I mean I didnt want him

to continually file them But the reason he

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THE RESPONDENT Correct

JUDGE SILBERMAN 3(a) of the code A

judge shall hear -- Im sorry 3(b) (1) A

~udge shall hear and decide matters assigned to

the judge except those in which

disqualification is required

Do you understand that sentence

THE RESPONDENT I do

JUDGE SILBERMAN So why dont you

describe for the commission how those two

provisions fit together and support your

conducting an evidentiary hearing in which your

wife is a witness

THE RESPONDENT It doesnt Although

the only thing I could say is that I did

disqualify myself from the hearing There was

no harm well theres harm to the dommunity

I dont want to say that theres no harm but

I mean but Mr Melnick wanted

disqualification I granted his

disqualification I mean my mi~take obviously

was h~ving the hearing But that doesnt

JPPG~ ~ILBE~~~ Couldn t a p~r$on

looking at this say or conclude that you

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telling you that -shy

JUDGE SILBERMAN- Andmiddot your reo$middotpon~libility

as a judge is not to put Y01rself or the

judiciary in that position r isnt it

THE RESPONDENT Yes

JUDGE SILBERMAN Why wasmiddot your wifemiddot at

THE RESPONDENT I asked her to be there

JUDGE SILBERMAN So you provided for a

witness to attend an evidentiary hearing that

you were going to conduct

THE RESPONDENT (Moving head up amiddotnd

~UDGE SILBERMAN I canthear you

THEmiddot RESmiddotPO~NDENT Yes Yes

J-UDGE SILBEmiddotR~AN She was nomiddott under

sulgtpoena

THE RESPONDENT No

JUDGE SILBERMAN This is an evidentiary

hearing on a motion to disqualify in the ca~e

of State versus Gibbs Wheres the prosecutor

in this hearing

THE RESPONDENT They were in the

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courtroom They might not have announced but

they were in the courtroom

JUDGE SILBERMAN Did you invite them to

participate

THE RESPONDENT They were just sitting

at the prosecutors table

JUDGE SILBERMAN -Did you ask them if

they had any questions of the witness

THE RESPONDENT No

JUDGE SILBERMAN You start out the

hearing by asking your wife if she had the

opportunity to read the motion Correct

THE RESPONDENT Correct

JUDGE SILBERMAN Mr Melnick then

objects relating that-youre going to have to

make -- if you go forward with the hearing

youre going to be making determinations as to

credibility Correct

THE RESPONDENT Correct

JUDGE SILBERMAN And in fact you asked

questions of your wife Is that correct

THE RESPONDENT Thats correct

JUDGE SILBERMAN You indicated that you

knew you were supposed to recuse in this

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Well can I just -- I knew once I held

the hearing I was required to recuse

didnt -- and I knew that the whole purpose of

having the hearing again was to flush things

out But once I started the hearing I knew I

had to recuse

JUDGE SILBERMAN Was the motion legally

sufficient to require your recusal

THE RESPONDENT No

JUDGE SILBERMAN Why didnt you deny it

THE RESPONDENT At the time I thought

I thought it was legal~y sufficient at the

time I also thought I hadnt done anything

wrong at the time When I got this complaint

the notice of investigation I read the rule of

judicial administration which I wasnt aware

and I saw that I couldnt have the hearing

And I realized at that point that I made a

mistake But then in preparing for this

hearing I did some research Im more

familiar with disqualification now And now my

opinion is that the motion is not legally

sufficient At the time my opinion was that it

was legally sufficient

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THE RESPONDENT (Moving head up and

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JUDGE SILBERMAN I cant hear you

THE RESPONDENT Yes At the time - shy

JUDGE SILBERMAN So why - shy

THE RESPONDENT At the time I thought it

wasmiddotlegally sufficient

JUDGE SILBER~AN I~ you thought it was

legally sufficientwhy didnt you recuse

yourself on the spot

THE RESPONDENT Because I thought that I

had the right to hold a hearing based on the

disqualification disclosure packet from the

judicial college I didnt know that it was

required ~nder the Rule of Judicial

Administratioh I was looking at -- you know~

again Do not hold a hearing because it

doesnt require a hearing which means its

discretionary And then it says If you do

h~ld a hearing you must assume the facts are

true and that just by holding a hearing that

alone will require you to disqualify yourself

And thats why I held the hearing

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believed it to be legally sufficient

THE RESPONDENT Correct

JUDGE SILBERMAN In which case

I dont understand the purpose of the

hearing other than look at page seven 4(a)

Expressing displeasure with attorney for

bringing motion to disqualify may be considered

intimidation

THE RESPONDENT Right I didn t express

any displeasure

JUDGE SILBERMAN Conducting a hearing on

a matter that you already determined required

yoti to disqualify yourself is not intimidation

THE RESPONDENT It could be And I

tried to be -- you have to understand I tried

to be nice to him during this hearing I

wasnt going after him and making him feel bad

because he was filing the motion I was just

~rying to flush otit the facts And I said that

in the hearing Im just trying to flush

everything out so that everybody knows

Because we were friends before we can still be

friends And thats why I did it

I didnt study -- you have to understand

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transcript after theres a dialogue again with

Mr Melnick you then state I dont think I

have to make any kind of ruling as to the

factual dispute Is that correct

THE RESPONDENT Correct

JUDGE SILBERMAN In which case again

there was no legally justifiable purpose for

this hearing Is that correct

THE RESPONDENT Yes Yeah theres no

legalJy justifiable purpose correct It wasmiddot

more a moral thing

JUDGE SILBERMAN I was

THE RESPONDENT It was personal It

wasnt -- but it wasnt personal in a negative

way I wasnt attacking the man I was

friends with the man Its hard to explain

when youre a judge and youre friends with

people and then because of an election that

has nothing to do with you now people are

attacking you

But I realize I had no business holding

that hearing And if it looks like because I

held the hearing that alone is intimidation

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dont know what else

Q Thats fine Ill -- Ill get you back

to where we want to go

A Okay

Q Now it was a little after noon I

believe you said when you arrived in your husbands

courtroom

A Correct

Q Okay And at about 1230 your husband

adjourned and told everyone to come back at 130

Correct

A Correct

Q Okay And then you went to lunch with

him

A Correct

Q All right Just the two of you at lunchZ

A Right

Q All right And your husband asked you to

return to the courtroom with him at 130 Correct

A No He asked me if I was coming back to

the courthouse And I told him that I had hearing

at 130 And he asked me if when I was done if I

would come back into -- come back to his courtroom

A lot of times he would ask me to do that because

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might find interesting or a motion to suppress or

an attorneys arguments are interesting or

whatever -- just for interest So he would let me

know ahead of time And so thats why when he said

you know Will you come back after your hearing I

had agreed I would

Q So during your hour long lunch with your

husband you did not discuss the motion -- the

recusal motion that Mr Melnick had filed in the

Gibbs case

A No

Q No discussion of that whatsoever

A No

Q And you did not -- he did not even tell

you that he was going to -- planning to call you as

a wi tness did he

A No

Q Just came as a total shock to you

A Yes

Q Okay And we do have a transcript I

believe thats in the record here of that and

weve been through that already and I dont need to

belabor that with you All right Now-shy

A Im not sure I understand I just want

to be really clear on everything What do you mean

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the back door because my office would be on the

other side of the back door And when were leaving

the courtroom I just asked her Can you corne back

at 130 She told me she had a hearing with Judge

Gates at 130 and then she said she would corne by

as soon as that hearing with Judge Gates was over

JUDGE MENENDEZ Could I corne back and

ask a question now

THE CHAIR Okay with you

JUDGE WARREN Yeah Go ahead

EXAMINATION

BY JUDGE MENENDEZ

Q Did you have any discussions with your

wife over the fact that this lawyer Mr Melnick

was filing all these motions when he was alleging

that she had threatened him during a phone call

A If I did it would have been -shy

Q At anytime

A a year and a half earlier when he

fir s t f i led it

Q Okay And did that concern her at all

as far as expressing any concern to you about it

A This was a very minor instance Like my

wife said this was like middota meaningless event She

had run two campaigns where theres serious issues

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with serious candidates violating rules that really

needed attention This was -- she called Melnick

up she said You cant have re-elect You

cant ~- you need to say retain He changed it

and that was it I mean Melnick corrected it right

away My wife called him right away and said you

know Youre violating the rules It was

corrected and that was the end of it

Q There was apparently a disagreement at

the hearing between Mr Melnick and your wife where

I thought that her initial testimony at the hearing

before you was that she had called him because there

was a disclaimer missing from some advertisement for

Judge Dijols and then Mr Melnick contradicted her

on that and said No it didnt deal with the

disclaimer It dealt with the re-elect versus

retain

A Exactly The disclaimer on ~very

political advertisement says This ad has been

approved by the candidate This shows that my wife

and I didnt discuss it Because my wife didnt

ev~n get the issue right If I had discussed this

with my wife she would have known what the issue

was and she would have been correct ~n her

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Q So you credited Mr Melnicks credibility

rather than hers

A Melnick was right Hey look you

know

Q All right

A But if my wife and I talked about it she

would have gotten it right she came to court and

she had no idea and

Q Well she had some idea didnt she that

you were going

A She knew she was coming to a hearing

Q About the motions to recuse

A About Melnick

Q And his motions to recuse

A Yes

Q Okay You did tell her that ahead of

time In fact Mr Schneider phrased it says We

got another one of those Would you mind coming and

testifying And you said That was probably

exactly what was said

A Well I -- I didnt remember

QPage 62

A I asked her can you -- can you come

back I dont know that my wife knew that Melnick

had filed -- theres no way she didnt know

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theres no way she knew because I dont discuss

these things with her I just sign them and go on

I dont give my wife a recount of everything I do

every day

Q I thought a minute ago you said you had

some discussions with her -shy

A Maybe when he first filed it a year and a

half earlier but since then I never

Q Well she was aware that he had accused

her of threatening him in at least one motion to

recuse

A Yeah

Q Okay

A Yeah Yeah

Q And that - - the way Mr Schneider phrased

it he said Was there communication to the fact

that quote unquote weve got another one of

those Would you mind coming to testify

A Well those arent my words Those are

Mr Schneiders

Q They are but you said that was probably

exactly what was said

A The substance You know its -- I -- I

dont know

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A Those arent my words I mean I dont

use those words But I said Can you come back

You know Im doing a hearing on Melnicks motion to

recuse

Q But you did ask her to come to court and

she did know that she was coming to court to talk

about the motion

A I dont think she knew that she was going

to be testifying but she knew she was coming to

court and it was on Melnicks motion

JUDGE WARREN Nothing r

EXAMINATION

BY MR DUNKINSON

Q I want to continue with that before I ask

my other questions I apologize because Im the

layperson here so I have a lot of -shy

THE CHAIR Mr Catalano has pointed that

out

Q I want to make sure I understand this

because I just -- Im very confused about the

conversation with you and your wife and what the

judges have asked Page 61 this is your quote not

Schneiders I probably told her -- I may have

told her that you know Steves filed a motion to

recuse based on that conversation What L

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conversation are we talking about Is that not the

phone conversation that were talking about

A Right That would have been the phone

conversation

Q So at that point which is at your lunch

or before your lunch your wife knew what you were

going to be asking her to do Because you then

say -- or Mr Schneider says on 62 There was a

communication of the fact that quote Weve got

another one of these Would you mind coming to

testify And you again said That was probably

exactly what was saiq

A I didnt remember specifically what I had

told her I mean if you look at Line 17 on 61 I

say I probably told her and then I say I may have

told her I didnt remember exactly what I told

her I just know that I told her I was doing a

motion to recuse at 130 and if she could come back

and specifically I didnt remember

Q All right So those statements you -shy

are you now saying that those statements are not

correct Is that what youre saying

A No Im saying -shy

Q Are you retracting those

A -- I may have told her I probably -- I

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dont remember specifically what I told her a year

and a half ago

Q I understand

A But when this happened when I gave this

statement and I think it was November -- yeah

November I wasnt a hundred percent what I told

her August 6th

Q All right Well the only point is you

know in her testimony yesterday as well as yours

both of you denied that you had any conversation

about it

A No I asked her to come back at 130

Q She claimed she knew nothing about what

it was about

A She didnt know I was going to be calling

her as

Q Implied that she did

A -- a witness

THE CHAIR Lets each of you finish

talking and the other can answer

Q All right Question the motion to

recuse again I dont know this but I have a

limited understanding -- can it not be the lawyer

that has an issue with you in addition to the

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I didnt study this disquaiification and

disclosure I justwent by what I learned at

judicial college two years earlier You know

I -- its impossible to know everything they

teach you at judicial college They give you

2000 pages worth of material for Session A

they give you 2000 pages of material for

Session B and were going to make mistakes

THE CHAIR I hate to interrupt When

did you go to judicial college

THE RE$PONDENT I went March I guess

2007 and -shy

THE CHAIR Did you just put these in a

closet and not read them

I mean I dont want to hear 2000

pages

Im sorry Judge

JUDGE SILBERMAN As ~e sit heremiddot today

do you agree that you violated Canons 3 3 (b)

the provisions that we went through

THE RESPONDENT Ye~

JUDGE SILBERMAN Canon 2(a) A Judge

sha-lmiddotl relJpect and aomply wi-th the Lawmiddot and sha]l

public conpoundidence and the integrity and ~

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JUDGE SILBERMAN Do you believe t~a t

yqur conduct is in violation of Canon 2(a)

THE RESPONDENT yemiddots bull

don t believe was on the nmiddototice of

investigation but I do think it s pertinent i

UA judge smiddothall not allow f amily smiddotocial

pcgtlitical or other relationshipmiddotsmiddot to influente

t~e judges judicial conduct or judgmenmiddott II

Do you think that someone cmiddotould look at

Y9u r conduct and say 11 Sounds like there s a

pzolgtlem with 2 (b) as wellmiddot II

THE RESPONDENT You know I just -- Im

going to say yes I just -- you know I made

it very careful that I would not -- I didnt

comment on my wifes testimony I didnt say

liMy wife is right and youre wrong I believe

my wife II I just -- I didnt go anywhere near

there I just backed off and said IIIm not

making any rulings Your motions granted

I just tried to clear this matter up We

were friends before And thats what I did

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JUDGE FREEMAN So they were not trying

to participate Right

THE RESPONDENT No No they werent

trying to participate

JUDGE FREEMAN Had the State Attorneys

Office ever request that you have that hearing

THE RESPONDENT No

JUDGE FREEMAN Had the State Attorneys

Office ever objected to the motion to recuse

THE RESPONDENT No

JUDGE FREEMAN Thank you

THE CHAIR Mr Morales

MR MORALES Your Honor one thing

Obviously whats legally sufficient for a

layperson I dont -- Ill leave that to the

judges and the lawyers but the fact that you

happened to go t~lunch with your wife that day

and you said Oh why dont you come on by

Were going to have this little hearing do

you think thats appropriate

THE RESPONDENT I didnt I dont -shy

its not -- the whole thing is not appropriate

The fact that I had the hearing I know is not

appropriate Probably not

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Hey Im going to have a hearing after lunch

Why dont you come by and testify

THE RESPONDENT No

MR MORALES Okay You thought you

should have had this hearing

THE RESPONDENT At the time yes now

no But-shy

MR MORALES Youre going to take a

li~t~e time the next time and think about what

youre doing

THE RESPONDENT It wasnt my intent -shy

you have to understand it wasnt my intent I

wouldnt have called the guy like a couple of

days later and said Im sorry I told him

the whole thing blew up My intent was just to

repair a friendship I just

MR MORALES Repairing your f~iendship

seems to work a lot better when youre sitti~g

down talking to somebody over a cold beer or -shy

either that or just sitting in your chambers

Hey lets talk about this

THE RESPONDENT I know But if it goes

bad then theyre saying youre berating them

in chambers I just should have let it go and

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JUDGE SILVERNAIL Well is that the only

reason you think it was inappropriate

THE RESPONDENT I do think his motion

was legally insufficient and I should have

just denied it as legally insufficient and

closed the book on that case

JUDGE SILVERNAIL Okay That answers my

questions Thank you

THE RESPONDENT Okay Thank you

THE CHAIR Anybody anything else

Judge do you want to close wrap up

THE RESPONDENT No I -- I do I do

At the time I held the hearing I thought

I had the right to hold the hearing based on my

misinterpretation on what I learned at judge

school I knew that I had to grant the motion

just by the fact that I held the hearing

When I came in her~ today I legally

still think I could have held the hearing but

for different reasons because the motion was

legally insufficient based on the case law and

the research that Ive done I didnt think

about the questions that you all have posed me

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representing one of these people -- and Im wrong on

this assumption Im just telling you I assumed

that he had some -- someone else was representing

these people and Melnick just came in and got me off

the case

Q Okay So this is your assumption for

which you have not a scintilla of evidence and that

is that Melnick was doing a favor for somebody else

bumping you off the case so that other lawyer could

represent these people before another judge

A That was the only thing I could think of

why he would file a motion to recuse

Q But you dont have an ounce of proof that

that was the case do you

A And it wasnt the case it

Q It wasnt the case

A It wasnt the case

Q Okay

A Im telling you what my thought process

was August of 2009

Q Okay Now we got that cleared up

A One of the lawyers in his office Valerie

Small-Williams and she had been working very hard

to get me off one of her cases but she had no

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Q You were wrong

A I was wrong No question

Q Were admitting on the stand right now

that this is pure speculation on your part and

theres not a bit of truth to it

A Theres no truth to it And that was my

thought process was that he was just trying to get

me off the case for one of his friends but that -shy

that turned out not to be the case

Q All right Judge Cohen can you

understand why a lawyer in the shoes ofmiddot Mr Melnick

who perceives himself as having gotten into an

adversarial relationship with your wife that

involved what he characterizes as a hostile

telephone conversation ending with a hang-up that

he had at least peripheral involvement in a lawsuit

in which your wife was the named defendant and he

was involved in an adversary -- with an adversarial

election person and the lawsuit actually resulted in

your wifes name being stricken from the ballot and

may have cost her the election that that whole

imbroglio might make him wonder if he should be

bringing clients before you her husband for you to

be the judge on it Do you understand how he might

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whether it was made private My question to you

were those photographs sent to the Judicial

Qualifications Investigative Panel for the sole

purpose of trying to persuade them there was

something bad about Melnick and therefore you must

be telling the truth as to how you handled this

matter

A Theres no question that theres some

type of credibility issue Ther~ were allegations

in the notice of investigation that had been made by

Mr Melnick and I wanted the JQC to understand that

it isa credibility i$sue and that your -- number

one I want you to know about my credibility and I

want you to understand about Steve Melnick so you

can make an intelligent decision I obviously

didnt want the JQC to file charges against me I

was put in a position where I had to defend myself

Q Can I assume Judge Cohen as we sit here

now that you understand that the reason for Rule

2330 saying you dont get into the truthfulness or

lack of truthfulness of whats in front of you is so

the public can have confidence that a judge is not

pitting himself or herself against somebody in front

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h~~erd my wife he would realize what he was

writing wasnt true and we would get past it

be wouldn t file them anymore and this would

clear it up I thought whatever disagreement

he had I thought if he heard from my wife and

he got to speak that would be it and it would

go

And we actually had the hearing And

heres where Im stupid because I actually

thought after thishearing I thought it was

cleared up But apparently ~ot because he

went to the chief criminal administrative judge

and complained that I had a hearing So I had

a hearing with the chief criminal

administrative judge who told me You cant

have hearings if somebody files a motion to

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And I told Ilona Holmes thats not what

were taught in judicial college Im going to

get to that argument I do have a right to have

a hearing

In any event once I found out he was

upset I called Melnicks office

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I didnt say one word at that recount I

didnt open my mouth at that recount I was

there to watch and support my wife who was

going through a very difficult time in her

life I mean I dont know if you have any

idea how tough it is to be involved in a

recount I mean it turned into a circus And

she had nobody And I was there at the recount

with her

I did not open my mouth once I didnt

talk to anybody at that recount I was just

physically there with her And thats all I

did

I understand about ~erception I handled

this badly I know I handled this badly I

understand its perception I dont think

legally I did anything wrong and thats why I

gave you the cases Its not - Im not an

expert on the area of disqualification Ive

only filed one motion to disqualify in 20 years

as a lawyer

I know its bad And Ive granted every

single one I just -- and I got frustrated

He carne into court and gave me three at once

and I just wanted to clear it up so that he

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wouldnt file them in the future It really

had nothing to do with my wife it was more

just clearing up steve why are you doing

this Im your friend I dont understand

And thats where I was coming from It

really had nothing to do with my wife

THE CHAIR Dr Haber

Judge Wolf

JUDGE WOLF I cant let a couple of

things go You know you came in here saying

you were trying to hold this hearing SO you

could get over the friendship -- or get your

friendship back with this guy And thats not

true It is directly in conflict with what you

just said I held a hearing to get him t6

stop filing these motions That was the

reason you held this hearing And that is

inappropriate for getting someone to stop

filing motions So youre digging yourself a

bigger grave

THE RESPONDENT Can I respond

JUDGE WOLF No

All I want to -- well Ill let you

respond The reason you held that hearing was

to get him to s~op filing motions wasnt it

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THE RESPONDENT Okay I thought that

the reason he was filing the motions was

because he was afraid that I would retaliate

against him And we were friends and if he

understood that we had a friendship and maybe

he misunderstood what was going on between him

and my wife that he wouldnt -- that it would

be okay

And thats what I thought when I left the

hearing its all cleared up he heard her

side she heard his IIAnd now you dont have

to be afraid that I couldnt be fair in your

case II

I thought that Honestly I -- I dont

have a problem recusing myself on cases I

dont own these cases I have no stake in

these cases I just its just frustrating

when somebodys your friend and thinks that you

cant be fair You know Im sure thats

happened to you And its just frustrating

And I was friends with Steve Melnick so

but youre right I mean I didnt want him

to continually file them But the reason he

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THE RESPONDENT Correct

JUDGE SILBERMAN 3(a) of the code A

judge shall hear -- Im sorry 3(b) (1) A

~udge shall hear and decide matters assigned to

the judge except those in which

disqualification is required

Do you understand that sentence

THE RESPONDENT I do

JUDGE SILBERMAN So why dont you

describe for the commission how those two

provisions fit together and support your

conducting an evidentiary hearing in which your

wife is a witness

THE RESPONDENT It doesnt Although

the only thing I could say is that I did

disqualify myself from the hearing There was

no harm well theres harm to the dommunity

I dont want to say that theres no harm but

I mean but Mr Melnick wanted

disqualification I granted his

disqualification I mean my mi~take obviously

was h~ving the hearing But that doesnt

JPPG~ ~ILBE~~~ Couldn t a p~r$on

looking at this say or conclude that you

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telling you that -shy

JUDGE SILBERMAN- Andmiddot your reo$middotpon~libility

as a judge is not to put Y01rself or the

judiciary in that position r isnt it

THE RESPONDENT Yes

JUDGE SILBERMAN Why wasmiddot your wifemiddot at

THE RESPONDENT I asked her to be there

JUDGE SILBERMAN So you provided for a

witness to attend an evidentiary hearing that

you were going to conduct

THE RESPONDENT (Moving head up amiddotnd

~UDGE SILBERMAN I canthear you

THEmiddot RESmiddotPO~NDENT Yes Yes

J-UDGE SILBEmiddotR~AN She was nomiddott under

sulgtpoena

THE RESPONDENT No

JUDGE SILBERMAN This is an evidentiary

hearing on a motion to disqualify in the ca~e

of State versus Gibbs Wheres the prosecutor

in this hearing

THE RESPONDENT They were in the

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courtroom They might not have announced but

they were in the courtroom

JUDGE SILBERMAN Did you invite them to

participate

THE RESPONDENT They were just sitting

at the prosecutors table

JUDGE SILBERMAN -Did you ask them if

they had any questions of the witness

THE RESPONDENT No

JUDGE SILBERMAN You start out the

hearing by asking your wife if she had the

opportunity to read the motion Correct

THE RESPONDENT Correct

JUDGE SILBERMAN Mr Melnick then

objects relating that-youre going to have to

make -- if you go forward with the hearing

youre going to be making determinations as to

credibility Correct

THE RESPONDENT Correct

JUDGE SILBERMAN And in fact you asked

questions of your wife Is that correct

THE RESPONDENT Thats correct

JUDGE SILBERMAN You indicated that you

knew you were supposed to recuse in this

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THE RESPONDENT correct

Well can I just -- I knew once I held

the hearing I was required to recuse

didnt -- and I knew that the whole purpose of

having the hearing again was to flush things

out But once I started the hearing I knew I

had to recuse

JUDGE SILBERMAN Was the motion legally

sufficient to require your recusal

THE RESPONDENT No

JUDGE SILBERMAN Why didnt you deny it

THE RESPONDENT At the time I thought

I thought it was legal~y sufficient at the

time I also thought I hadnt done anything

wrong at the time When I got this complaint

the notice of investigation I read the rule of

judicial administration which I wasnt aware

and I saw that I couldnt have the hearing

And I realized at that point that I made a

mistake But then in preparing for this

hearing I did some research Im more

familiar with disqualification now And now my

opinion is that the motion is not legally

sufficient At the time my opinion was that it

was legally sufficient

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THE RESPONDENT (Moving head up and

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JUDGE SILBERMAN I cant hear you

THE RESPONDENT Yes At the time - shy

JUDGE SILBERMAN So why - shy

THE RESPONDENT At the time I thought it

wasmiddotlegally sufficient

JUDGE SILBER~AN I~ you thought it was

legally sufficientwhy didnt you recuse

yourself on the spot

THE RESPONDENT Because I thought that I

had the right to hold a hearing based on the

disqualification disclosure packet from the

judicial college I didnt know that it was

required ~nder the Rule of Judicial

Administratioh I was looking at -- you know~

again Do not hold a hearing because it

doesnt require a hearing which means its

discretionary And then it says If you do

h~ld a hearing you must assume the facts are

true and that just by holding a hearing that

alone will require you to disqualify yourself

And thats why I held the hearing

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JUDGE SILBERMAN Well you said you

believed it to be legally sufficient

THE RESPONDENT Correct

JUDGE SILBERMAN In which case

I dont understand the purpose of the

hearing other than look at page seven 4(a)

Expressing displeasure with attorney for

bringing motion to disqualify may be considered

intimidation

THE RESPONDENT Right I didn t express

any displeasure

JUDGE SILBERMAN Conducting a hearing on

a matter that you already determined required

yoti to disqualify yourself is not intimidation

THE RESPONDENT It could be And I

tried to be -- you have to understand I tried

to be nice to him during this hearing I

wasnt going after him and making him feel bad

because he was filing the motion I was just

~rying to flush otit the facts And I said that

in the hearing Im just trying to flush

everything out so that everybody knows

Because we were friends before we can still be

friends And thats why I did it

I didnt study -- you have to understand

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JUDGE SILBERMAN On page 13 of the

transcript after theres a dialogue again with

Mr Melnick you then state I dont think I

have to make any kind of ruling as to the

factual dispute Is that correct

THE RESPONDENT Correct

JUDGE SILBERMAN In which case again

there was no legally justifiable purpose for

this hearing Is that correct

THE RESPONDENT Yes Yeah theres no

legalJy justifiable purpose correct It wasmiddot

more a moral thing

JUDGE SILBERMAN I was

THE RESPONDENT It was personal It

wasnt -- but it wasnt personal in a negative

way I wasnt attacking the man I was

friends with the man Its hard to explain

when youre a judge and youre friends with

people and then because of an election that

has nothing to do with you now people are

attacking you

But I realize I had no business holding

that hearing And if it looks like because I

held the hearing that alone is intimidation

that really wasnt -- that thought never

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dont know what else

Q Thats fine Ill -- Ill get you back

to where we want to go

A Okay

Q Now it was a little after noon I

believe you said when you arrived in your husbands

courtroom

A Correct

Q Okay And at about 1230 your husband

adjourned and told everyone to come back at 130

Correct

A Correct

Q Okay And then you went to lunch with

him

A Correct

Q All right Just the two of you at lunchZ

A Right

Q All right And your husband asked you to

return to the courtroom with him at 130 Correct

A No He asked me if I was coming back to

the courthouse And I told him that I had hearing

at 130 And he asked me if when I was done if I

would come back into -- come back to his courtroom

A lot of times he would ask me to do that because

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might find interesting or a motion to suppress or

an attorneys arguments are interesting or

whatever -- just for interest So he would let me

know ahead of time And so thats why when he said

you know Will you come back after your hearing I

had agreed I would

Q So during your hour long lunch with your

husband you did not discuss the motion -- the

recusal motion that Mr Melnick had filed in the

Gibbs case

A No

Q No discussion of that whatsoever

A No

Q And you did not -- he did not even tell

you that he was going to -- planning to call you as

a wi tness did he

A No

Q Just came as a total shock to you

A Yes

Q Okay And we do have a transcript I

believe thats in the record here of that and

weve been through that already and I dont need to

belabor that with you All right Now-shy

A Im not sure I understand I just want

to be really clear on everything What do you mean

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the back door because my office would be on the

other side of the back door And when were leaving

the courtroom I just asked her Can you corne back

at 130 She told me she had a hearing with Judge

Gates at 130 and then she said she would corne by

as soon as that hearing with Judge Gates was over

JUDGE MENENDEZ Could I corne back and

ask a question now

THE CHAIR Okay with you

JUDGE WARREN Yeah Go ahead

EXAMINATION

BY JUDGE MENENDEZ

Q Did you have any discussions with your

wife over the fact that this lawyer Mr Melnick

was filing all these motions when he was alleging

that she had threatened him during a phone call

A If I did it would have been -shy

Q At anytime

A a year and a half earlier when he

fir s t f i led it

Q Okay And did that concern her at all

as far as expressing any concern to you about it

A This was a very minor instance Like my

wife said this was like middota meaningless event She

had run two campaigns where theres serious issues

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with serious candidates violating rules that really

needed attention This was -- she called Melnick

up she said You cant have re-elect You

cant ~- you need to say retain He changed it

and that was it I mean Melnick corrected it right

away My wife called him right away and said you

know Youre violating the rules It was

corrected and that was the end of it

Q There was apparently a disagreement at

the hearing between Mr Melnick and your wife where

I thought that her initial testimony at the hearing

before you was that she had called him because there

was a disclaimer missing from some advertisement for

Judge Dijols and then Mr Melnick contradicted her

on that and said No it didnt deal with the

disclaimer It dealt with the re-elect versus

retain

A Exactly The disclaimer on ~very

political advertisement says This ad has been

approved by the candidate This shows that my wife

and I didnt discuss it Because my wife didnt

ev~n get the issue right If I had discussed this

with my wife she would have known what the issue

was and she would have been correct ~n her

testimony

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Q So you credited Mr Melnicks credibility

rather than hers

A Melnick was right Hey look you

know

Q All right

A But if my wife and I talked about it she

would have gotten it right she came to court and

she had no idea and

Q Well she had some idea didnt she that

you were going

A She knew she was coming to a hearing

Q About the motions to recuse

A About Melnick

Q And his motions to recuse

A Yes

Q Okay You did tell her that ahead of

time In fact Mr Schneider phrased it says We

got another one of those Would you mind coming and

testifying And you said That was probably

exactly what was said

A Well I -- I didnt remember

QPage 62

A I asked her can you -- can you come

back I dont know that my wife knew that Melnick

had filed -- theres no way she didnt know

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theres no way she knew because I dont discuss

these things with her I just sign them and go on

I dont give my wife a recount of everything I do

every day

Q I thought a minute ago you said you had

some discussions with her -shy

A Maybe when he first filed it a year and a

half earlier but since then I never

Q Well she was aware that he had accused

her of threatening him in at least one motion to

recuse

A Yeah

Q Okay

A Yeah Yeah

Q And that - - the way Mr Schneider phrased

it he said Was there communication to the fact

that quote unquote weve got another one of

those Would you mind coming to testify

A Well those arent my words Those are

Mr Schneiders

Q They are but you said that was probably

exactly what was said

A The substance You know its -- I -- I

dont know

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A Those arent my words I mean I dont

use those words But I said Can you come back

You know Im doing a hearing on Melnicks motion to

recuse

Q But you did ask her to come to court and

she did know that she was coming to court to talk

about the motion

A I dont think she knew that she was going

to be testifying but she knew she was coming to

court and it was on Melnicks motion

JUDGE WARREN Nothing r

EXAMINATION

BY MR DUNKINSON

Q I want to continue with that before I ask

my other questions I apologize because Im the

layperson here so I have a lot of -shy

THE CHAIR Mr Catalano has pointed that

out

Q I want to make sure I understand this

because I just -- Im very confused about the

conversation with you and your wife and what the

judges have asked Page 61 this is your quote not

Schneiders I probably told her -- I may have

told her that you know Steves filed a motion to

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conversation are we talking about Is that not the

phone conversation that were talking about

A Right That would have been the phone

conversation

Q So at that point which is at your lunch

or before your lunch your wife knew what you were

going to be asking her to do Because you then

say -- or Mr Schneider says on 62 There was a

communication of the fact that quote Weve got

another one of these Would you mind coming to

testify And you again said That was probably

exactly what was saiq

A I didnt remember specifically what I had

told her I mean if you look at Line 17 on 61 I

say I probably told her and then I say I may have

told her I didnt remember exactly what I told

her I just know that I told her I was doing a

motion to recuse at 130 and if she could come back

and specifically I didnt remember

Q All right So those statements you -shy

are you now saying that those statements are not

correct Is that what youre saying

A No Im saying -shy

Q Are you retracting those

A -- I may have told her I probably -- I

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dont remember specifically what I told her a year

and a half ago

Q I understand

A But when this happened when I gave this

statement and I think it was November -- yeah

November I wasnt a hundred percent what I told

her August 6th

Q All right Well the only point is you

know in her testimony yesterday as well as yours

both of you denied that you had any conversation

about it

A No I asked her to come back at 130

Q She claimed she knew nothing about what

it was about

A She didnt know I was going to be calling

her as

Q Implied that she did

A -- a witness

THE CHAIR Lets each of you finish

talking and the other can answer

Q All right Question the motion to

recuse again I dont know this but I have a

limited understanding -- can it not be the lawyer

that has an issue with you in addition to the

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I didnt study this disquaiification and

disclosure I justwent by what I learned at

judicial college two years earlier You know

I -- its impossible to know everything they

teach you at judicial college They give you

2000 pages worth of material for Session A

they give you 2000 pages of material for

Session B and were going to make mistakes

THE CHAIR I hate to interrupt When

did you go to judicial college

THE RE$PONDENT I went March I guess

2007 and -shy

THE CHAIR Did you just put these in a

closet and not read them

I mean I dont want to hear 2000

pages

Im sorry Judge

JUDGE SILBERMAN As ~e sit heremiddot today

do you agree that you violated Canons 3 3 (b)

the provisions that we went through

THE RESPONDENT Ye~

JUDGE SILBERMAN Canon 2(a) A Judge

sha-lmiddotl relJpect and aomply wi-th the Lawmiddot and sha]l

public conpoundidence and the integrity and ~

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JUDGE SILBERMAN Do you believe t~a t

yqur conduct is in violation of Canon 2(a)

THE RESPONDENT yemiddots bull

don t believe was on the nmiddototice of

investigation but I do think it s pertinent i

UA judge smiddothall not allow f amily smiddotocial

pcgtlitical or other relationshipmiddotsmiddot to influente

t~e judges judicial conduct or judgmenmiddott II

Do you think that someone cmiddotould look at

Y9u r conduct and say 11 Sounds like there s a

pzolgtlem with 2 (b) as wellmiddot II

THE RESPONDENT You know I just -- Im

going to say yes I just -- you know I made

it very careful that I would not -- I didnt

comment on my wifes testimony I didnt say

liMy wife is right and youre wrong I believe

my wife II I just -- I didnt go anywhere near

there I just backed off and said IIIm not

making any rulings Your motions granted

I just tried to clear this matter up We

were friends before And thats what I did

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JUDGE FREEMAN So they were not trying

to participate Right

THE RESPONDENT No No they werent

trying to participate

JUDGE FREEMAN Had the State Attorneys

Office ever request that you have that hearing

THE RESPONDENT No

JUDGE FREEMAN Had the State Attorneys

Office ever objected to the motion to recuse

THE RESPONDENT No

JUDGE FREEMAN Thank you

THE CHAIR Mr Morales

MR MORALES Your Honor one thing

Obviously whats legally sufficient for a

layperson I dont -- Ill leave that to the

judges and the lawyers but the fact that you

happened to go t~lunch with your wife that day

and you said Oh why dont you come on by

Were going to have this little hearing do

you think thats appropriate

THE RESPONDENT I didnt I dont -shy

its not -- the whole thing is not appropriate

The fact that I had the hearing I know is not

appropriate Probably not

MR MORALES Have you ever heard of

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Hey Im going to have a hearing after lunch

Why dont you come by and testify

THE RESPONDENT No

MR MORALES Okay You thought you

should have had this hearing

THE RESPONDENT At the time yes now

no But-shy

MR MORALES Youre going to take a

li~t~e time the next time and think about what

youre doing

THE RESPONDENT It wasnt my intent -shy

you have to understand it wasnt my intent I

wouldnt have called the guy like a couple of

days later and said Im sorry I told him

the whole thing blew up My intent was just to

repair a friendship I just

MR MORALES Repairing your f~iendship

seems to work a lot better when youre sitti~g

down talking to somebody over a cold beer or -shy

either that or just sitting in your chambers

Hey lets talk about this

THE RESPONDENT I know But if it goes

bad then theyre saying youre berating them

in chambers I just should have let it go and

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JUDGE SILVERNAIL Well is that the only

reason you think it was inappropriate

THE RESPONDENT I do think his motion

was legally insufficient and I should have

just denied it as legally insufficient and

closed the book on that case

JUDGE SILVERNAIL Okay That answers my

questions Thank you

THE RESPONDENT Okay Thank you

THE CHAIR Anybody anything else

Judge do you want to close wrap up

THE RESPONDENT No I -- I do I do

At the time I held the hearing I thought

I had the right to hold the hearing based on my

misinterpretation on what I learned at judge

school I knew that I had to grant the motion

just by the fact that I held the hearing

When I came in her~ today I legally

still think I could have held the hearing but

for different reasons because the motion was

legally insufficient based on the case law and

the research that Ive done I didnt think

about the questions that you all have posed me

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those cases But I was wrong

Q You were wrong

A I was wrong No question

Q Were admitting on the stand right now

that this is pure speculation on your part and

theres not a bit of truth to it

A Theres no truth to it And that was my

thought process was that he was just trying to get

me off the case for one of his friends but that -shy

that turned out not to be the case

Q All right Judge Cohen can you

understand why a lawyer in the shoes ofmiddot Mr Melnick

who perceives himself as having gotten into an

adversarial relationship with your wife that

involved what he characterizes as a hostile

telephone conversation ending with a hang-up that

he had at least peripheral involvement in a lawsuit

in which your wife was the named defendant and he

was involved in an adversary -- with an adversarial

election person and the lawsuit actually resulted in

your wifes name being stricken from the ballot and

may have cost her the election that that whole

imbroglio might make him wonder if he should be

bringing clients before you her husband for you to

be the judge on it Do you understand how he might

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whether it was made private My question to you

were those photographs sent to the Judicial

Qualifications Investigative Panel for the sole

purpose of trying to persuade them there was

something bad about Melnick and therefore you must

be telling the truth as to how you handled this

matter

A Theres no question that theres some

type of credibility issue Ther~ were allegations

in the notice of investigation that had been made by

Mr Melnick and I wanted the JQC to understand that

it isa credibility i$sue and that your -- number

one I want you to know about my credibility and I

want you to understand about Steve Melnick so you

can make an intelligent decision I obviously

didnt want the JQC to file charges against me I

was put in a position where I had to defend myself

Q Can I assume Judge Cohen as we sit here

now that you understand that the reason for Rule

2330 saying you dont get into the truthfulness or

lack of truthfulness of whats in front of you is so

the public can have confidence that a judge is not

pitting himself or herself against somebody in front

of them

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h~~erd my wife he would realize what he was

writing wasnt true and we would get past it

be wouldn t file them anymore and this would

clear it up I thought whatever disagreement

he had I thought if he heard from my wife and

he got to speak that would be it and it would

go

And we actually had the hearing And

heres where Im stupid because I actually

thought after thishearing I thought it was

cleared up But apparently ~ot because he

went to the chief criminal administrative judge

and complained that I had a hearing So I had

a hearing with the chief criminal

administrative judge who told me You cant

have hearings if somebody files a motion to

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And I told Ilona Holmes thats not what

were taught in judicial college Im going to

get to that argument I do have a right to have

a hearing

In any event once I found out he was

upset I called Melnicks office

apologized I told hirq the only reason that I

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I didnt say one word at that recount I

didnt open my mouth at that recount I was

there to watch and support my wife who was

going through a very difficult time in her

life I mean I dont know if you have any

idea how tough it is to be involved in a

recount I mean it turned into a circus And

she had nobody And I was there at the recount

with her

I did not open my mouth once I didnt

talk to anybody at that recount I was just

physically there with her And thats all I

did

I understand about ~erception I handled

this badly I know I handled this badly I

understand its perception I dont think

legally I did anything wrong and thats why I

gave you the cases Its not - Im not an

expert on the area of disqualification Ive

only filed one motion to disqualify in 20 years

as a lawyer

I know its bad And Ive granted every

single one I just -- and I got frustrated

He carne into court and gave me three at once

and I just wanted to clear it up so that he

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wouldnt file them in the future It really

had nothing to do with my wife it was more

just clearing up steve why are you doing

this Im your friend I dont understand

And thats where I was coming from It

really had nothing to do with my wife

THE CHAIR Dr Haber

Judge Wolf

JUDGE WOLF I cant let a couple of

things go You know you came in here saying

you were trying to hold this hearing SO you

could get over the friendship -- or get your

friendship back with this guy And thats not

true It is directly in conflict with what you

just said I held a hearing to get him t6

stop filing these motions That was the

reason you held this hearing And that is

inappropriate for getting someone to stop

filing motions So youre digging yourself a

bigger grave

THE RESPONDENT Can I respond

JUDGE WOLF No

All I want to -- well Ill let you

respond The reason you held that hearing was

to get him to s~op filing motions wasnt it

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THE RESPONDENT Okay I thought that

the reason he was filing the motions was

because he was afraid that I would retaliate

against him And we were friends and if he

understood that we had a friendship and maybe

he misunderstood what was going on between him

and my wife that he wouldnt -- that it would

be okay

And thats what I thought when I left the

hearing its all cleared up he heard her

side she heard his IIAnd now you dont have

to be afraid that I couldnt be fair in your

case II

I thought that Honestly I -- I dont

have a problem recusing myself on cases I

dont own these cases I have no stake in

these cases I just its just frustrating

when somebodys your friend and thinks that you

cant be fair You know Im sure thats

happened to you And its just frustrating

And I was friends with Steve Melnick so

but youre right I mean I didnt want him

to continually file them But the reason he

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THE RESPONDENT Correct

JUDGE SILBERMAN 3(a) of the code A

judge shall hear -- Im sorry 3(b) (1) A

~udge shall hear and decide matters assigned to

the judge except those in which

disqualification is required

Do you understand that sentence

THE RESPONDENT I do

JUDGE SILBERMAN So why dont you

describe for the commission how those two

provisions fit together and support your

conducting an evidentiary hearing in which your

wife is a witness

THE RESPONDENT It doesnt Although

the only thing I could say is that I did

disqualify myself from the hearing There was

no harm well theres harm to the dommunity

I dont want to say that theres no harm but

I mean but Mr Melnick wanted

disqualification I granted his

disqualification I mean my mi~take obviously

was h~ving the hearing But that doesnt

JPPG~ ~ILBE~~~ Couldn t a p~r$on

looking at this say or conclude that you

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telling you that -shy

JUDGE SILBERMAN- Andmiddot your reo$middotpon~libility

as a judge is not to put Y01rself or the

judiciary in that position r isnt it

THE RESPONDENT Yes

JUDGE SILBERMAN Why wasmiddot your wifemiddot at

THE RESPONDENT I asked her to be there

JUDGE SILBERMAN So you provided for a

witness to attend an evidentiary hearing that

you were going to conduct

THE RESPONDENT (Moving head up amiddotnd

~UDGE SILBERMAN I canthear you

THEmiddot RESmiddotPO~NDENT Yes Yes

J-UDGE SILBEmiddotR~AN She was nomiddott under

sulgtpoena

THE RESPONDENT No

JUDGE SILBERMAN This is an evidentiary

hearing on a motion to disqualify in the ca~e

of State versus Gibbs Wheres the prosecutor

in this hearing

THE RESPONDENT They were in the

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courtroom They might not have announced but

they were in the courtroom

JUDGE SILBERMAN Did you invite them to

participate

THE RESPONDENT They were just sitting

at the prosecutors table

JUDGE SILBERMAN -Did you ask them if

they had any questions of the witness

THE RESPONDENT No

JUDGE SILBERMAN You start out the

hearing by asking your wife if she had the

opportunity to read the motion Correct

THE RESPONDENT Correct

JUDGE SILBERMAN Mr Melnick then

objects relating that-youre going to have to

make -- if you go forward with the hearing

youre going to be making determinations as to

credibility Correct

THE RESPONDENT Correct

JUDGE SILBERMAN And in fact you asked

questions of your wife Is that correct

THE RESPONDENT Thats correct

JUDGE SILBERMAN You indicated that you

knew you were supposed to recuse in this

matter

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Well can I just -- I knew once I held

the hearing I was required to recuse

didnt -- and I knew that the whole purpose of

having the hearing again was to flush things

out But once I started the hearing I knew I

had to recuse

JUDGE SILBERMAN Was the motion legally

sufficient to require your recusal

THE RESPONDENT No

JUDGE SILBERMAN Why didnt you deny it

THE RESPONDENT At the time I thought

I thought it was legal~y sufficient at the

time I also thought I hadnt done anything

wrong at the time When I got this complaint

the notice of investigation I read the rule of

judicial administration which I wasnt aware

and I saw that I couldnt have the hearing

And I realized at that point that I made a

mistake But then in preparing for this

hearing I did some research Im more

familiar with disqualification now And now my

opinion is that the motion is not legally

sufficient At the time my opinion was that it

was legally sufficient

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concluded it was legally sufficient

THE RESPONDENT (Moving head up and

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JUDGE SILBERMAN I cant hear you

THE RESPONDENT Yes At the time - shy

JUDGE SILBERMAN So why - shy

THE RESPONDENT At the time I thought it

wasmiddotlegally sufficient

JUDGE SILBER~AN I~ you thought it was

legally sufficientwhy didnt you recuse

yourself on the spot

THE RESPONDENT Because I thought that I

had the right to hold a hearing based on the

disqualification disclosure packet from the

judicial college I didnt know that it was

required ~nder the Rule of Judicial

Administratioh I was looking at -- you know~

again Do not hold a hearing because it

doesnt require a hearing which means its

discretionary And then it says If you do

h~ld a hearing you must assume the facts are

true and that just by holding a hearing that

alone will require you to disqualify yourself

And thats why I held the hearing

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believed it to be legally sufficient

THE RESPONDENT Correct

JUDGE SILBERMAN In which case

I dont understand the purpose of the

hearing other than look at page seven 4(a)

Expressing displeasure with attorney for

bringing motion to disqualify may be considered

intimidation

THE RESPONDENT Right I didn t express

any displeasure

JUDGE SILBERMAN Conducting a hearing on

a matter that you already determined required

yoti to disqualify yourself is not intimidation

THE RESPONDENT It could be And I

tried to be -- you have to understand I tried

to be nice to him during this hearing I

wasnt going after him and making him feel bad

because he was filing the motion I was just

~rying to flush otit the facts And I said that

in the hearing Im just trying to flush

everything out so that everybody knows

Because we were friends before we can still be

friends And thats why I did it

I didnt study -- you have to understand

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JUDGE SILBERMAN On page 13 of the

transcript after theres a dialogue again with

Mr Melnick you then state I dont think I

have to make any kind of ruling as to the

factual dispute Is that correct

THE RESPONDENT Correct

JUDGE SILBERMAN In which case again

there was no legally justifiable purpose for

this hearing Is that correct

THE RESPONDENT Yes Yeah theres no

legalJy justifiable purpose correct It wasmiddot

more a moral thing

JUDGE SILBERMAN I was

THE RESPONDENT It was personal It

wasnt -- but it wasnt personal in a negative

way I wasnt attacking the man I was

friends with the man Its hard to explain

when youre a judge and youre friends with

people and then because of an election that

has nothing to do with you now people are

attacking you

But I realize I had no business holding

that hearing And if it looks like because I

held the hearing that alone is intimidation

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dont know what else

Q Thats fine Ill -- Ill get you back

to where we want to go

A Okay

Q Now it was a little after noon I

believe you said when you arrived in your husbands

courtroom

A Correct

Q Okay And at about 1230 your husband

adjourned and told everyone to come back at 130

Correct

A Correct

Q Okay And then you went to lunch with

him

A Correct

Q All right Just the two of you at lunchZ

A Right

Q All right And your husband asked you to

return to the courtroom with him at 130 Correct

A No He asked me if I was coming back to

the courthouse And I told him that I had hearing

at 130 And he asked me if when I was done if I

would come back into -- come back to his courtroom

A lot of times he would ask me to do that because

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might find interesting or a motion to suppress or

an attorneys arguments are interesting or

whatever -- just for interest So he would let me

know ahead of time And so thats why when he said

you know Will you come back after your hearing I

had agreed I would

Q So during your hour long lunch with your

husband you did not discuss the motion -- the

recusal motion that Mr Melnick had filed in the

Gibbs case

A No

Q No discussion of that whatsoever

A No

Q And you did not -- he did not even tell

you that he was going to -- planning to call you as

a wi tness did he

A No

Q Just came as a total shock to you

A Yes

Q Okay And we do have a transcript I

believe thats in the record here of that and

weve been through that already and I dont need to

belabor that with you All right Now-shy

A Im not sure I understand I just want

to be really clear on everything What do you mean

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the back door because my office would be on the

other side of the back door And when were leaving

the courtroom I just asked her Can you corne back

at 130 She told me she had a hearing with Judge

Gates at 130 and then she said she would corne by

as soon as that hearing with Judge Gates was over

JUDGE MENENDEZ Could I corne back and

ask a question now

THE CHAIR Okay with you

JUDGE WARREN Yeah Go ahead

EXAMINATION

BY JUDGE MENENDEZ

Q Did you have any discussions with your

wife over the fact that this lawyer Mr Melnick

was filing all these motions when he was alleging

that she had threatened him during a phone call

A If I did it would have been -shy

Q At anytime

A a year and a half earlier when he

fir s t f i led it

Q Okay And did that concern her at all

as far as expressing any concern to you about it

A This was a very minor instance Like my

wife said this was like middota meaningless event She

had run two campaigns where theres serious issues

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with serious candidates violating rules that really

needed attention This was -- she called Melnick

up she said You cant have re-elect You

cant ~- you need to say retain He changed it

and that was it I mean Melnick corrected it right

away My wife called him right away and said you

know Youre violating the rules It was

corrected and that was the end of it

Q There was apparently a disagreement at

the hearing between Mr Melnick and your wife where

I thought that her initial testimony at the hearing

before you was that she had called him because there

was a disclaimer missing from some advertisement for

Judge Dijols and then Mr Melnick contradicted her

on that and said No it didnt deal with the

disclaimer It dealt with the re-elect versus

retain

A Exactly The disclaimer on ~very

political advertisement says This ad has been

approved by the candidate This shows that my wife

and I didnt discuss it Because my wife didnt

ev~n get the issue right If I had discussed this

with my wife she would have known what the issue

was and she would have been correct ~n her

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Q So you credited Mr Melnicks credibility

rather than hers

A Melnick was right Hey look you

know

Q All right

A But if my wife and I talked about it she

would have gotten it right she came to court and

she had no idea and

Q Well she had some idea didnt she that

you were going

A She knew she was coming to a hearing

Q About the motions to recuse

A About Melnick

Q And his motions to recuse

A Yes

Q Okay You did tell her that ahead of

time In fact Mr Schneider phrased it says We

got another one of those Would you mind coming and

testifying And you said That was probably

exactly what was said

A Well I -- I didnt remember

QPage 62

A I asked her can you -- can you come

back I dont know that my wife knew that Melnick

had filed -- theres no way she didnt know

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theres no way she knew because I dont discuss

these things with her I just sign them and go on

I dont give my wife a recount of everything I do

every day

Q I thought a minute ago you said you had

some discussions with her -shy

A Maybe when he first filed it a year and a

half earlier but since then I never

Q Well she was aware that he had accused

her of threatening him in at least one motion to

recuse

A Yeah

Q Okay

A Yeah Yeah

Q And that - - the way Mr Schneider phrased

it he said Was there communication to the fact

that quote unquote weve got another one of

those Would you mind coming to testify

A Well those arent my words Those are

Mr Schneiders

Q They are but you said that was probably

exactly what was said

A The substance You know its -- I -- I

dont know

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A Those arent my words I mean I dont

use those words But I said Can you come back

You know Im doing a hearing on Melnicks motion to

recuse

Q But you did ask her to come to court and

she did know that she was coming to court to talk

about the motion

A I dont think she knew that she was going

to be testifying but she knew she was coming to

court and it was on Melnicks motion

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EXAMINATION

BY MR DUNKINSON

Q I want to continue with that before I ask

my other questions I apologize because Im the

layperson here so I have a lot of -shy

THE CHAIR Mr Catalano has pointed that

out

Q I want to make sure I understand this

because I just -- Im very confused about the

conversation with you and your wife and what the

judges have asked Page 61 this is your quote not

Schneiders I probably told her -- I may have

told her that you know Steves filed a motion to

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conversation are we talking about Is that not the

phone conversation that were talking about

A Right That would have been the phone

conversation

Q So at that point which is at your lunch

or before your lunch your wife knew what you were

going to be asking her to do Because you then

say -- or Mr Schneider says on 62 There was a

communication of the fact that quote Weve got

another one of these Would you mind coming to

testify And you again said That was probably

exactly what was saiq

A I didnt remember specifically what I had

told her I mean if you look at Line 17 on 61 I

say I probably told her and then I say I may have

told her I didnt remember exactly what I told

her I just know that I told her I was doing a

motion to recuse at 130 and if she could come back

and specifically I didnt remember

Q All right So those statements you -shy

are you now saying that those statements are not

correct Is that what youre saying

A No Im saying -shy

Q Are you retracting those

A -- I may have told her I probably -- I

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dont remember specifically Certainly today I

dont remember specifically what I told her a year

and a half ago

Q I understand

A But when this happened when I gave this

statement and I think it was November -- yeah

November I wasnt a hundred percent what I told

her August 6th

Q All right Well the only point is you

know in her testimony yesterday as well as yours

both of you denied that you had any conversation

about it

A No I asked her to come back at 130

Q She claimed she knew nothing about what

it was about

A She didnt know I was going to be calling

her as

Q Implied that she did

A -- a witness

THE CHAIR Lets each of you finish

talking and the other can answer

Q All right Question the motion to

recuse again I dont know this but I have a

limited understanding -- can it not be the lawyer

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I didnt study this disquaiification and

disclosure I justwent by what I learned at

judicial college two years earlier You know

I -- its impossible to know everything they

teach you at judicial college They give you

2000 pages worth of material for Session A

they give you 2000 pages of material for

Session B and were going to make mistakes

THE CHAIR I hate to interrupt When

did you go to judicial college

THE RE$PONDENT I went March I guess

2007 and -shy

THE CHAIR Did you just put these in a

closet and not read them

I mean I dont want to hear 2000

pages

Im sorry Judge

JUDGE SILBERMAN As ~e sit heremiddot today

do you agree that you violated Canons 3 3 (b)

the provisions that we went through

THE RESPONDENT Ye~

JUDGE SILBERMAN Canon 2(a) A Judge

sha-lmiddotl relJpect and aomply wi-th the Lawmiddot and sha]l

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JUDGE SILBERMAN Do you believe t~a t

yqur conduct is in violation of Canon 2(a)

THE RESPONDENT yemiddots bull

don t believe was on the nmiddototice of

investigation but I do think it s pertinent i

UA judge smiddothall not allow f amily smiddotocial

pcgtlitical or other relationshipmiddotsmiddot to influente

t~e judges judicial conduct or judgmenmiddott II

Do you think that someone cmiddotould look at

Y9u r conduct and say 11 Sounds like there s a

pzolgtlem with 2 (b) as wellmiddot II

THE RESPONDENT You know I just -- Im

going to say yes I just -- you know I made

it very careful that I would not -- I didnt

comment on my wifes testimony I didnt say

liMy wife is right and youre wrong I believe

my wife II I just -- I didnt go anywhere near

there I just backed off and said IIIm not

making any rulings Your motions granted

I just tried to clear this matter up We

were friends before And thats what I did

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JUDGE FREEMAN So they were not trying

to participate Right

THE RESPONDENT No No they werent

trying to participate

JUDGE FREEMAN Had the State Attorneys

Office ever request that you have that hearing

THE RESPONDENT No

JUDGE FREEMAN Had the State Attorneys

Office ever objected to the motion to recuse

THE RESPONDENT No

JUDGE FREEMAN Thank you

THE CHAIR Mr Morales

MR MORALES Your Honor one thing

Obviously whats legally sufficient for a

layperson I dont -- Ill leave that to the

judges and the lawyers but the fact that you

happened to go t~lunch with your wife that day

and you said Oh why dont you come on by

Were going to have this little hearing do

you think thats appropriate

THE RESPONDENT I didnt I dont -shy

its not -- the whole thing is not appropriate

The fact that I had the hearing I know is not

appropriate Probably not

MR MORALES Have you ever heard of

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Hey Im going to have a hearing after lunch

Why dont you come by and testify

THE RESPONDENT No

MR MORALES Okay You thought you

should have had this hearing

THE RESPONDENT At the time yes now

no But-shy

MR MORALES Youre going to take a

li~t~e time the next time and think about what

youre doing

THE RESPONDENT It wasnt my intent -shy

you have to understand it wasnt my intent I

wouldnt have called the guy like a couple of

days later and said Im sorry I told him

the whole thing blew up My intent was just to

repair a friendship I just

MR MORALES Repairing your f~iendship

seems to work a lot better when youre sitti~g

down talking to somebody over a cold beer or -shy

either that or just sitting in your chambers

Hey lets talk about this

THE RESPONDENT I know But if it goes

bad then theyre saying youre berating them

in chambers I just should have let it go and

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JUDGE SILVERNAIL Well is that the only

reason you think it was inappropriate

THE RESPONDENT I do think his motion

was legally insufficient and I should have

just denied it as legally insufficient and

closed the book on that case

JUDGE SILVERNAIL Okay That answers my

questions Thank you

THE RESPONDENT Okay Thank you

THE CHAIR Anybody anything else

Judge do you want to close wrap up

THE RESPONDENT No I -- I do I do

At the time I held the hearing I thought

I had the right to hold the hearing based on my

misinterpretation on what I learned at judge

school I knew that I had to grant the motion

just by the fact that I held the hearing

When I came in her~ today I legally

still think I could have held the hearing but

for different reasons because the motion was

legally insufficient based on the case law and

the research that Ive done I didnt think

about the questions that you all have posed me

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whether it was made private My question to you

were those photographs sent to the Judicial

Qualifications Investigative Panel for the sole

purpose of trying to persuade them there was

something bad about Melnick and therefore you must

be telling the truth as to how you handled this

matter

A Theres no question that theres some

type of credibility issue Ther~ were allegations

in the notice of investigation that had been made by

Mr Melnick and I wanted the JQC to understand that

it isa credibility i$sue and that your -- number

one I want you to know about my credibility and I

want you to understand about Steve Melnick so you

can make an intelligent decision I obviously

didnt want the JQC to file charges against me I

was put in a position where I had to defend myself

Q Can I assume Judge Cohen as we sit here

now that you understand that the reason for Rule

2330 saying you dont get into the truthfulness or

lack of truthfulness of whats in front of you is so

the public can have confidence that a judge is not

pitting himself or herself against somebody in front

of them

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h~~erd my wife he would realize what he was

writing wasnt true and we would get past it

be wouldn t file them anymore and this would

clear it up I thought whatever disagreement

he had I thought if he heard from my wife and

he got to speak that would be it and it would

go

And we actually had the hearing And

heres where Im stupid because I actually

thought after thishearing I thought it was

cleared up But apparently ~ot because he

went to the chief criminal administrative judge

and complained that I had a hearing So I had

a hearing with the chief criminal

administrative judge who told me You cant

have hearings if somebody files a motion to

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And I told Ilona Holmes thats not what

were taught in judicial college Im going to

get to that argument I do have a right to have

a hearing

In any event once I found out he was

upset I called Melnicks office

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I didnt say one word at that recount I

didnt open my mouth at that recount I was

there to watch and support my wife who was

going through a very difficult time in her

life I mean I dont know if you have any

idea how tough it is to be involved in a

recount I mean it turned into a circus And

she had nobody And I was there at the recount

with her

I did not open my mouth once I didnt

talk to anybody at that recount I was just

physically there with her And thats all I

did

I understand about ~erception I handled

this badly I know I handled this badly I

understand its perception I dont think

legally I did anything wrong and thats why I

gave you the cases Its not - Im not an

expert on the area of disqualification Ive

only filed one motion to disqualify in 20 years

as a lawyer

I know its bad And Ive granted every

single one I just -- and I got frustrated

He carne into court and gave me three at once

and I just wanted to clear it up so that he

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wouldnt file them in the future It really

had nothing to do with my wife it was more

just clearing up steve why are you doing

this Im your friend I dont understand

And thats where I was coming from It

really had nothing to do with my wife

THE CHAIR Dr Haber

Judge Wolf

JUDGE WOLF I cant let a couple of

things go You know you came in here saying

you were trying to hold this hearing SO you

could get over the friendship -- or get your

friendship back with this guy And thats not

true It is directly in conflict with what you

just said I held a hearing to get him t6

stop filing these motions That was the

reason you held this hearing And that is

inappropriate for getting someone to stop

filing motions So youre digging yourself a

bigger grave

THE RESPONDENT Can I respond

JUDGE WOLF No

All I want to -- well Ill let you

respond The reason you held that hearing was

to get him to s~op filing motions wasnt it

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THE RESPONDENT Okay I thought that

the reason he was filing the motions was

because he was afraid that I would retaliate

against him And we were friends and if he

understood that we had a friendship and maybe

he misunderstood what was going on between him

and my wife that he wouldnt -- that it would

be okay

And thats what I thought when I left the

hearing its all cleared up he heard her

side she heard his IIAnd now you dont have

to be afraid that I couldnt be fair in your

case II

I thought that Honestly I -- I dont

have a problem recusing myself on cases I

dont own these cases I have no stake in

these cases I just its just frustrating

when somebodys your friend and thinks that you

cant be fair You know Im sure thats

happened to you And its just frustrating

And I was friends with Steve Melnick so

but youre right I mean I didnt want him

to continually file them But the reason he

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THE RESPONDENT Correct

JUDGE SILBERMAN 3(a) of the code A

judge shall hear -- Im sorry 3(b) (1) A

~udge shall hear and decide matters assigned to

the judge except those in which

disqualification is required

Do you understand that sentence

THE RESPONDENT I do

JUDGE SILBERMAN So why dont you

describe for the commission how those two

provisions fit together and support your

conducting an evidentiary hearing in which your

wife is a witness

THE RESPONDENT It doesnt Although

the only thing I could say is that I did

disqualify myself from the hearing There was

no harm well theres harm to the dommunity

I dont want to say that theres no harm but

I mean but Mr Melnick wanted

disqualification I granted his

disqualification I mean my mi~take obviously

was h~ving the hearing But that doesnt

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looking at this say or conclude that you

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JUDGE SILBERMAN- Andmiddot your reo$middotpon~libility

as a judge is not to put Y01rself or the

judiciary in that position r isnt it

THE RESPONDENT Yes

JUDGE SILBERMAN Why wasmiddot your wifemiddot at

THE RESPONDENT I asked her to be there

JUDGE SILBERMAN So you provided for a

witness to attend an evidentiary hearing that

you were going to conduct

THE RESPONDENT (Moving head up amiddotnd

~UDGE SILBERMAN I canthear you

THEmiddot RESmiddotPO~NDENT Yes Yes

J-UDGE SILBEmiddotR~AN She was nomiddott under

sulgtpoena

THE RESPONDENT No

JUDGE SILBERMAN This is an evidentiary

hearing on a motion to disqualify in the ca~e

of State versus Gibbs Wheres the prosecutor

in this hearing

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they were in the courtroom

JUDGE SILBERMAN Did you invite them to

participate

THE RESPONDENT They were just sitting

at the prosecutors table

JUDGE SILBERMAN -Did you ask them if

they had any questions of the witness

THE RESPONDENT No

JUDGE SILBERMAN You start out the

hearing by asking your wife if she had the

opportunity to read the motion Correct

THE RESPONDENT Correct

JUDGE SILBERMAN Mr Melnick then

objects relating that-youre going to have to

make -- if you go forward with the hearing

youre going to be making determinations as to

credibility Correct

THE RESPONDENT Correct

JUDGE SILBERMAN And in fact you asked

questions of your wife Is that correct

THE RESPONDENT Thats correct

JUDGE SILBERMAN You indicated that you

knew you were supposed to recuse in this

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Well can I just -- I knew once I held

the hearing I was required to recuse

didnt -- and I knew that the whole purpose of

having the hearing again was to flush things

out But once I started the hearing I knew I

had to recuse

JUDGE SILBERMAN Was the motion legally

sufficient to require your recusal

THE RESPONDENT No

JUDGE SILBERMAN Why didnt you deny it

THE RESPONDENT At the time I thought

I thought it was legal~y sufficient at the

time I also thought I hadnt done anything

wrong at the time When I got this complaint

the notice of investigation I read the rule of

judicial administration which I wasnt aware

and I saw that I couldnt have the hearing

And I realized at that point that I made a

mistake But then in preparing for this

hearing I did some research Im more

familiar with disqualification now And now my

opinion is that the motion is not legally

sufficient At the time my opinion was that it

was legally sufficient

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THE RESPONDENT (Moving head up and

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JUDGE SILBERMAN I cant hear you

THE RESPONDENT Yes At the time - shy

JUDGE SILBERMAN So why - shy

THE RESPONDENT At the time I thought it

wasmiddotlegally sufficient

JUDGE SILBER~AN I~ you thought it was

legally sufficientwhy didnt you recuse

yourself on the spot

THE RESPONDENT Because I thought that I

had the right to hold a hearing based on the

disqualification disclosure packet from the

judicial college I didnt know that it was

required ~nder the Rule of Judicial

Administratioh I was looking at -- you know~

again Do not hold a hearing because it

doesnt require a hearing which means its

discretionary And then it says If you do

h~ld a hearing you must assume the facts are

true and that just by holding a hearing that

alone will require you to disqualify yourself

And thats why I held the hearing

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believed it to be legally sufficient

THE RESPONDENT Correct

JUDGE SILBERMAN In which case

I dont understand the purpose of the

hearing other than look at page seven 4(a)

Expressing displeasure with attorney for

bringing motion to disqualify may be considered

intimidation

THE RESPONDENT Right I didn t express

any displeasure

JUDGE SILBERMAN Conducting a hearing on

a matter that you already determined required

yoti to disqualify yourself is not intimidation

THE RESPONDENT It could be And I

tried to be -- you have to understand I tried

to be nice to him during this hearing I

wasnt going after him and making him feel bad

because he was filing the motion I was just

~rying to flush otit the facts And I said that

in the hearing Im just trying to flush

everything out so that everybody knows

Because we were friends before we can still be

friends And thats why I did it

I didnt study -- you have to understand

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transcript after theres a dialogue again with

Mr Melnick you then state I dont think I

have to make any kind of ruling as to the

factual dispute Is that correct

THE RESPONDENT Correct

JUDGE SILBERMAN In which case again

there was no legally justifiable purpose for

this hearing Is that correct

THE RESPONDENT Yes Yeah theres no

legalJy justifiable purpose correct It wasmiddot

more a moral thing

JUDGE SILBERMAN I was

THE RESPONDENT It was personal It

wasnt -- but it wasnt personal in a negative

way I wasnt attacking the man I was

friends with the man Its hard to explain

when youre a judge and youre friends with

people and then because of an election that

has nothing to do with you now people are

attacking you

But I realize I had no business holding

that hearing And if it looks like because I

held the hearing that alone is intimidation

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dont know what else

Q Thats fine Ill -- Ill get you back

to where we want to go

A Okay

Q Now it was a little after noon I

believe you said when you arrived in your husbands

courtroom

A Correct

Q Okay And at about 1230 your husband

adjourned and told everyone to come back at 130

Correct

A Correct

Q Okay And then you went to lunch with

him

A Correct

Q All right Just the two of you at lunchZ

A Right

Q All right And your husband asked you to

return to the courtroom with him at 130 Correct

A No He asked me if I was coming back to

the courthouse And I told him that I had hearing

at 130 And he asked me if when I was done if I

would come back into -- come back to his courtroom

A lot of times he would ask me to do that because

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might find interesting or a motion to suppress or

an attorneys arguments are interesting or

whatever -- just for interest So he would let me

know ahead of time And so thats why when he said

you know Will you come back after your hearing I

had agreed I would

Q So during your hour long lunch with your

husband you did not discuss the motion -- the

recusal motion that Mr Melnick had filed in the

Gibbs case

A No

Q No discussion of that whatsoever

A No

Q And you did not -- he did not even tell

you that he was going to -- planning to call you as

a wi tness did he

A No

Q Just came as a total shock to you

A Yes

Q Okay And we do have a transcript I

believe thats in the record here of that and

weve been through that already and I dont need to

belabor that with you All right Now-shy

A Im not sure I understand I just want

to be really clear on everything What do you mean

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the back door because my office would be on the

other side of the back door And when were leaving

the courtroom I just asked her Can you corne back

at 130 She told me she had a hearing with Judge

Gates at 130 and then she said she would corne by

as soon as that hearing with Judge Gates was over

JUDGE MENENDEZ Could I corne back and

ask a question now

THE CHAIR Okay with you

JUDGE WARREN Yeah Go ahead

EXAMINATION

BY JUDGE MENENDEZ

Q Did you have any discussions with your

wife over the fact that this lawyer Mr Melnick

was filing all these motions when he was alleging

that she had threatened him during a phone call

A If I did it would have been -shy

Q At anytime

A a year and a half earlier when he

fir s t f i led it

Q Okay And did that concern her at all

as far as expressing any concern to you about it

A This was a very minor instance Like my

wife said this was like middota meaningless event She

had run two campaigns where theres serious issues

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with serious candidates violating rules that really

needed attention This was -- she called Melnick

up she said You cant have re-elect You

cant ~- you need to say retain He changed it

and that was it I mean Melnick corrected it right

away My wife called him right away and said you

know Youre violating the rules It was

corrected and that was the end of it

Q There was apparently a disagreement at

the hearing between Mr Melnick and your wife where

I thought that her initial testimony at the hearing

before you was that she had called him because there

was a disclaimer missing from some advertisement for

Judge Dijols and then Mr Melnick contradicted her

on that and said No it didnt deal with the

disclaimer It dealt with the re-elect versus

retain

A Exactly The disclaimer on ~very

political advertisement says This ad has been

approved by the candidate This shows that my wife

and I didnt discuss it Because my wife didnt

ev~n get the issue right If I had discussed this

with my wife she would have known what the issue

was and she would have been correct ~n her

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Q So you credited Mr Melnicks credibility

rather than hers

A Melnick was right Hey look you

know

Q All right

A But if my wife and I talked about it she

would have gotten it right she came to court and

she had no idea and

Q Well she had some idea didnt she that

you were going

A She knew she was coming to a hearing

Q About the motions to recuse

A About Melnick

Q And his motions to recuse

A Yes

Q Okay You did tell her that ahead of

time In fact Mr Schneider phrased it says We

got another one of those Would you mind coming and

testifying And you said That was probably

exactly what was said

A Well I -- I didnt remember

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A I asked her can you -- can you come

back I dont know that my wife knew that Melnick

had filed -- theres no way she didnt know

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theres no way she knew because I dont discuss

these things with her I just sign them and go on

I dont give my wife a recount of everything I do

every day

Q I thought a minute ago you said you had

some discussions with her -shy

A Maybe when he first filed it a year and a

half earlier but since then I never

Q Well she was aware that he had accused

her of threatening him in at least one motion to

recuse

A Yeah

Q Okay

A Yeah Yeah

Q And that - - the way Mr Schneider phrased

it he said Was there communication to the fact

that quote unquote weve got another one of

those Would you mind coming to testify

A Well those arent my words Those are

Mr Schneiders

Q They are but you said that was probably

exactly what was said

A The substance You know its -- I -- I

dont know

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A Those arent my words I mean I dont

use those words But I said Can you come back

You know Im doing a hearing on Melnicks motion to

recuse

Q But you did ask her to come to court and

she did know that she was coming to court to talk

about the motion

A I dont think she knew that she was going

to be testifying but she knew she was coming to

court and it was on Melnicks motion

JUDGE WARREN Nothing r

EXAMINATION

BY MR DUNKINSON

Q I want to continue with that before I ask

my other questions I apologize because Im the

layperson here so I have a lot of -shy

THE CHAIR Mr Catalano has pointed that

out

Q I want to make sure I understand this

because I just -- Im very confused about the

conversation with you and your wife and what the

judges have asked Page 61 this is your quote not

Schneiders I probably told her -- I may have

told her that you know Steves filed a motion to

recuse based on that conversation What L

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conversation are we talking about Is that not the

phone conversation that were talking about

A Right That would have been the phone

conversation

Q So at that point which is at your lunch

or before your lunch your wife knew what you were

going to be asking her to do Because you then

say -- or Mr Schneider says on 62 There was a

communication of the fact that quote Weve got

another one of these Would you mind coming to

testify And you again said That was probably

exactly what was saiq

A I didnt remember specifically what I had

told her I mean if you look at Line 17 on 61 I

say I probably told her and then I say I may have

told her I didnt remember exactly what I told

her I just know that I told her I was doing a

motion to recuse at 130 and if she could come back

and specifically I didnt remember

Q All right So those statements you -shy

are you now saying that those statements are not

correct Is that what youre saying

A No Im saying -shy

Q Are you retracting those

A -- I may have told her I probably -- I

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dont remember specifically Certainly today I

dont remember specifically what I told her a year

and a half ago

Q I understand

A But when this happened when I gave this

statement and I think it was November -- yeah

November I wasnt a hundred percent what I told

her August 6th

Q All right Well the only point is you

know in her testimony yesterday as well as yours

both of you denied that you had any conversation

about it

A No I asked her to come back at 130

Q She claimed she knew nothing about what

it was about

A She didnt know I was going to be calling

her as

Q Implied that she did

A -- a witness

THE CHAIR Lets each of you finish

talking and the other can answer

Q All right Question the motion to

recuse again I dont know this but I have a

limited understanding -- can it not be the lawyer

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I didnt study this disquaiification and

disclosure I justwent by what I learned at

judicial college two years earlier You know

I -- its impossible to know everything they

teach you at judicial college They give you

2000 pages worth of material for Session A

they give you 2000 pages of material for

Session B and were going to make mistakes

THE CHAIR I hate to interrupt When

did you go to judicial college

THE RE$PONDENT I went March I guess

2007 and -shy

THE CHAIR Did you just put these in a

closet and not read them

I mean I dont want to hear 2000

pages

Im sorry Judge

JUDGE SILBERMAN As ~e sit heremiddot today

do you agree that you violated Canons 3 3 (b)

the provisions that we went through

THE RESPONDENT Ye~

JUDGE SILBERMAN Canon 2(a) A Judge

sha-lmiddotl relJpect and aomply wi-th the Lawmiddot and sha]l

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JUDGE SILBERMAN Do you believe t~a t

yqur conduct is in violation of Canon 2(a)

THE RESPONDENT yemiddots bull

don t believe was on the nmiddototice of

investigation but I do think it s pertinent i

UA judge smiddothall not allow f amily smiddotocial

pcgtlitical or other relationshipmiddotsmiddot to influente

t~e judges judicial conduct or judgmenmiddott II

Do you think that someone cmiddotould look at

Y9u r conduct and say 11 Sounds like there s a

pzolgtlem with 2 (b) as wellmiddot II

THE RESPONDENT You know I just -- Im

going to say yes I just -- you know I made

it very careful that I would not -- I didnt

comment on my wifes testimony I didnt say

liMy wife is right and youre wrong I believe

my wife II I just -- I didnt go anywhere near

there I just backed off and said IIIm not

making any rulings Your motions granted

I just tried to clear this matter up We

were friends before And thats what I did

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JUDGE FREEMAN So they were not trying

to participate Right

THE RESPONDENT No No they werent

trying to participate

JUDGE FREEMAN Had the State Attorneys

Office ever request that you have that hearing

THE RESPONDENT No

JUDGE FREEMAN Had the State Attorneys

Office ever objected to the motion to recuse

THE RESPONDENT No

JUDGE FREEMAN Thank you

THE CHAIR Mr Morales

MR MORALES Your Honor one thing

Obviously whats legally sufficient for a

layperson I dont -- Ill leave that to the

judges and the lawyers but the fact that you

happened to go t~lunch with your wife that day

and you said Oh why dont you come on by

Were going to have this little hearing do

you think thats appropriate

THE RESPONDENT I didnt I dont -shy

its not -- the whole thing is not appropriate

The fact that I had the hearing I know is not

appropriate Probably not

MR MORALES Have you ever heard of

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amiddotnother judge seeing someone at lunch and say

Hey Im going to have a hearing after lunch

Why dont you come by and testify

THE RESPONDENT No

MR MORALES Okay You thought you

should have had this hearing

THE RESPONDENT At the time yes now

no But-shy

MR MORALES Youre going to take a

li~t~e time the next time and think about what

youre doing

THE RESPONDENT It wasnt my intent -shy

you have to understand it wasnt my intent I

wouldnt have called the guy like a couple of

days later and said Im sorry I told him

the whole thing blew up My intent was just to

repair a friendship I just

MR MORALES Repairing your f~iendship

seems to work a lot better when youre sitti~g

down talking to somebody over a cold beer or -shy

either that or just sitting in your chambers

Hey lets talk about this

THE RESPONDENT I know But if it goes

bad then theyre saying youre berating them

in chambers I just should have let it go and

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JUDGE SILVERNAIL Well is that the only

reason you think it was inappropriate

THE RESPONDENT I do think his motion

was legally insufficient and I should have

just denied it as legally insufficient and

closed the book on that case

JUDGE SILVERNAIL Okay That answers my

questions Thank you

THE RESPONDENT Okay Thank you

THE CHAIR Anybody anything else

Judge do you want to close wrap up

THE RESPONDENT No I -- I do I do

At the time I held the hearing I thought

I had the right to hold the hearing based on my

misinterpretation on what I learned at judge

school I knew that I had to grant the motion

just by the fact that I held the hearing

When I came in her~ today I legally

still think I could have held the hearing but

for different reasons because the motion was

legally insufficient based on the case law and

the research that Ive done I didnt think

about the questions that you all have posed me

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h~~erd my wife he would realize what he was

writing wasnt true and we would get past it

be wouldn t file them anymore and this would

clear it up I thought whatever disagreement

he had I thought if he heard from my wife and

he got to speak that would be it and it would

go

And we actually had the hearing And

heres where Im stupid because I actually

thought after thishearing I thought it was

cleared up But apparently ~ot because he

went to the chief criminal administrative judge

and complained that I had a hearing So I had

a hearing with the chief criminal

administrative judge who told me You cant

have hearings if somebody files a motion to

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And I told Ilona Holmes thats not what

were taught in judicial college Im going to

get to that argument I do have a right to have

a hearing

In any event once I found out he was

upset I called Melnicks office

apologized I told hirq the only reason that I

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I didnt say one word at that recount I

didnt open my mouth at that recount I was

there to watch and support my wife who was

going through a very difficult time in her

life I mean I dont know if you have any

idea how tough it is to be involved in a

recount I mean it turned into a circus And

she had nobody And I was there at the recount

with her

I did not open my mouth once I didnt

talk to anybody at that recount I was just

physically there with her And thats all I

did

I understand about ~erception I handled

this badly I know I handled this badly I

understand its perception I dont think

legally I did anything wrong and thats why I

gave you the cases Its not - Im not an

expert on the area of disqualification Ive

only filed one motion to disqualify in 20 years

as a lawyer

I know its bad And Ive granted every

single one I just -- and I got frustrated

He carne into court and gave me three at once

and I just wanted to clear it up so that he

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wouldnt file them in the future It really

had nothing to do with my wife it was more

just clearing up steve why are you doing

this Im your friend I dont understand

And thats where I was coming from It

really had nothing to do with my wife

THE CHAIR Dr Haber

Judge Wolf

JUDGE WOLF I cant let a couple of

things go You know you came in here saying

you were trying to hold this hearing SO you

could get over the friendship -- or get your

friendship back with this guy And thats not

true It is directly in conflict with what you

just said I held a hearing to get him t6

stop filing these motions That was the

reason you held this hearing And that is

inappropriate for getting someone to stop

filing motions So youre digging yourself a

bigger grave

THE RESPONDENT Can I respond

JUDGE WOLF No

All I want to -- well Ill let you

respond The reason you held that hearing was

to get him to s~op filing motions wasnt it

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THE RESPONDENT Okay I thought that

the reason he was filing the motions was

because he was afraid that I would retaliate

against him And we were friends and if he

understood that we had a friendship and maybe

he misunderstood what was going on between him

and my wife that he wouldnt -- that it would

be okay

And thats what I thought when I left the

hearing its all cleared up he heard her

side she heard his IIAnd now you dont have

to be afraid that I couldnt be fair in your

case II

I thought that Honestly I -- I dont

have a problem recusing myself on cases I

dont own these cases I have no stake in

these cases I just its just frustrating

when somebodys your friend and thinks that you

cant be fair You know Im sure thats

happened to you And its just frustrating

And I was friends with Steve Melnick so

but youre right I mean I didnt want him

to continually file them But the reason he

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THE RESPONDENT Correct

JUDGE SILBERMAN 3(a) of the code A

judge shall hear -- Im sorry 3(b) (1) A

~udge shall hear and decide matters assigned to

the judge except those in which

disqualification is required

Do you understand that sentence

THE RESPONDENT I do

JUDGE SILBERMAN So why dont you

describe for the commission how those two

provisions fit together and support your

conducting an evidentiary hearing in which your

wife is a witness

THE RESPONDENT It doesnt Although

the only thing I could say is that I did

disqualify myself from the hearing There was

no harm well theres harm to the dommunity

I dont want to say that theres no harm but

I mean but Mr Melnick wanted

disqualification I granted his

disqualification I mean my mi~take obviously

was h~ving the hearing But that doesnt

JPPG~ ~ILBE~~~ Couldn t a p~r$on

looking at this say or conclude that you

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telling you that -shy

JUDGE SILBERMAN- Andmiddot your reo$middotpon~libility

as a judge is not to put Y01rself or the

judiciary in that position r isnt it

THE RESPONDENT Yes

JUDGE SILBERMAN Why wasmiddot your wifemiddot at

THE RESPONDENT I asked her to be there

JUDGE SILBERMAN So you provided for a

witness to attend an evidentiary hearing that

you were going to conduct

THE RESPONDENT (Moving head up amiddotnd

~UDGE SILBERMAN I canthear you

THEmiddot RESmiddotPO~NDENT Yes Yes

J-UDGE SILBEmiddotR~AN She was nomiddott under

sulgtpoena

THE RESPONDENT No

JUDGE SILBERMAN This is an evidentiary

hearing on a motion to disqualify in the ca~e

of State versus Gibbs Wheres the prosecutor

in this hearing

THE RESPONDENT They were in the

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courtroom They might not have announced but

they were in the courtroom

JUDGE SILBERMAN Did you invite them to

participate

THE RESPONDENT They were just sitting

at the prosecutors table

JUDGE SILBERMAN -Did you ask them if

they had any questions of the witness

THE RESPONDENT No

JUDGE SILBERMAN You start out the

hearing by asking your wife if she had the

opportunity to read the motion Correct

THE RESPONDENT Correct

JUDGE SILBERMAN Mr Melnick then

objects relating that-youre going to have to

make -- if you go forward with the hearing

youre going to be making determinations as to

credibility Correct

THE RESPONDENT Correct

JUDGE SILBERMAN And in fact you asked

questions of your wife Is that correct

THE RESPONDENT Thats correct

JUDGE SILBERMAN You indicated that you

knew you were supposed to recuse in this

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Well can I just -- I knew once I held

the hearing I was required to recuse

didnt -- and I knew that the whole purpose of

having the hearing again was to flush things

out But once I started the hearing I knew I

had to recuse

JUDGE SILBERMAN Was the motion legally

sufficient to require your recusal

THE RESPONDENT No

JUDGE SILBERMAN Why didnt you deny it

THE RESPONDENT At the time I thought

I thought it was legal~y sufficient at the

time I also thought I hadnt done anything

wrong at the time When I got this complaint

the notice of investigation I read the rule of

judicial administration which I wasnt aware

and I saw that I couldnt have the hearing

And I realized at that point that I made a

mistake But then in preparing for this

hearing I did some research Im more

familiar with disqualification now And now my

opinion is that the motion is not legally

sufficient At the time my opinion was that it

was legally sufficient

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concluded it was legally sufficient

THE RESPONDENT (Moving head up and

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JUDGE SILBERMAN I cant hear you

THE RESPONDENT Yes At the time - shy

JUDGE SILBERMAN So why - shy

THE RESPONDENT At the time I thought it

wasmiddotlegally sufficient

JUDGE SILBER~AN I~ you thought it was

legally sufficientwhy didnt you recuse

yourself on the spot

THE RESPONDENT Because I thought that I

had the right to hold a hearing based on the

disqualification disclosure packet from the

judicial college I didnt know that it was

required ~nder the Rule of Judicial

Administratioh I was looking at -- you know~

again Do not hold a hearing because it

doesnt require a hearing which means its

discretionary And then it says If you do

h~ld a hearing you must assume the facts are

true and that just by holding a hearing that

alone will require you to disqualify yourself

And thats why I held the hearing

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JUDGE SILBERMAN Well you said you

believed it to be legally sufficient

THE RESPONDENT Correct

JUDGE SILBERMAN In which case

I dont understand the purpose of the

hearing other than look at page seven 4(a)

Expressing displeasure with attorney for

bringing motion to disqualify may be considered

intimidation

THE RESPONDENT Right I didn t express

any displeasure

JUDGE SILBERMAN Conducting a hearing on

a matter that you already determined required

yoti to disqualify yourself is not intimidation

THE RESPONDENT It could be And I

tried to be -- you have to understand I tried

to be nice to him during this hearing I

wasnt going after him and making him feel bad

because he was filing the motion I was just

~rying to flush otit the facts And I said that

in the hearing Im just trying to flush

everything out so that everybody knows

Because we were friends before we can still be

friends And thats why I did it

I didnt study -- you have to understand

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transcript after theres a dialogue again with

Mr Melnick you then state I dont think I

have to make any kind of ruling as to the

factual dispute Is that correct

THE RESPONDENT Correct

JUDGE SILBERMAN In which case again

there was no legally justifiable purpose for

this hearing Is that correct

THE RESPONDENT Yes Yeah theres no

legalJy justifiable purpose correct It wasmiddot

more a moral thing

JUDGE SILBERMAN I was

THE RESPONDENT It was personal It

wasnt -- but it wasnt personal in a negative

way I wasnt attacking the man I was

friends with the man Its hard to explain

when youre a judge and youre friends with

people and then because of an election that

has nothing to do with you now people are

attacking you

But I realize I had no business holding

that hearing And if it looks like because I

held the hearing that alone is intimidation

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dont know what else

Q Thats fine Ill -- Ill get you back

to where we want to go

A Okay

Q Now it was a little after noon I

believe you said when you arrived in your husbands

courtroom

A Correct

Q Okay And at about 1230 your husband

adjourned and told everyone to come back at 130

Correct

A Correct

Q Okay And then you went to lunch with

him

A Correct

Q All right Just the two of you at lunchZ

A Right

Q All right And your husband asked you to

return to the courtroom with him at 130 Correct

A No He asked me if I was coming back to

the courthouse And I told him that I had hearing

at 130 And he asked me if when I was done if I

would come back into -- come back to his courtroom

A lot of times he would ask me to do that because

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might find interesting or a motion to suppress or

an attorneys arguments are interesting or

whatever -- just for interest So he would let me

know ahead of time And so thats why when he said

you know Will you come back after your hearing I

had agreed I would

Q So during your hour long lunch with your

husband you did not discuss the motion -- the

recusal motion that Mr Melnick had filed in the

Gibbs case

A No

Q No discussion of that whatsoever

A No

Q And you did not -- he did not even tell

you that he was going to -- planning to call you as

a wi tness did he

A No

Q Just came as a total shock to you

A Yes

Q Okay And we do have a transcript I

believe thats in the record here of that and

weve been through that already and I dont need to

belabor that with you All right Now-shy

A Im not sure I understand I just want

to be really clear on everything What do you mean

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the back door because my office would be on the

other side of the back door And when were leaving

the courtroom I just asked her Can you corne back

at 130 She told me she had a hearing with Judge

Gates at 130 and then she said she would corne by

as soon as that hearing with Judge Gates was over

JUDGE MENENDEZ Could I corne back and

ask a question now

THE CHAIR Okay with you

JUDGE WARREN Yeah Go ahead

EXAMINATION

BY JUDGE MENENDEZ

Q Did you have any discussions with your

wife over the fact that this lawyer Mr Melnick

was filing all these motions when he was alleging

that she had threatened him during a phone call

A If I did it would have been -shy

Q At anytime

A a year and a half earlier when he

fir s t f i led it

Q Okay And did that concern her at all

as far as expressing any concern to you about it

A This was a very minor instance Like my

wife said this was like middota meaningless event She

had run two campaigns where theres serious issues

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with serious candidates violating rules that really

needed attention This was -- she called Melnick

up she said You cant have re-elect You

cant ~- you need to say retain He changed it

and that was it I mean Melnick corrected it right

away My wife called him right away and said you

know Youre violating the rules It was

corrected and that was the end of it

Q There was apparently a disagreement at

the hearing between Mr Melnick and your wife where

I thought that her initial testimony at the hearing

before you was that she had called him because there

was a disclaimer missing from some advertisement for

Judge Dijols and then Mr Melnick contradicted her

on that and said No it didnt deal with the

disclaimer It dealt with the re-elect versus

retain

A Exactly The disclaimer on ~very

political advertisement says This ad has been

approved by the candidate This shows that my wife

and I didnt discuss it Because my wife didnt

ev~n get the issue right If I had discussed this

with my wife she would have known what the issue

was and she would have been correct ~n her

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Q So you credited Mr Melnicks credibility

rather than hers

A Melnick was right Hey look you

know

Q All right

A But if my wife and I talked about it she

would have gotten it right she came to court and

she had no idea and

Q Well she had some idea didnt she that

you were going

A She knew she was coming to a hearing

Q About the motions to recuse

A About Melnick

Q And his motions to recuse

A Yes

Q Okay You did tell her that ahead of

time In fact Mr Schneider phrased it says We

got another one of those Would you mind coming and

testifying And you said That was probably

exactly what was said

A Well I -- I didnt remember

QPage 62

A I asked her can you -- can you come

back I dont know that my wife knew that Melnick

had filed -- theres no way she didnt know

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theres no way she knew because I dont discuss

these things with her I just sign them and go on

I dont give my wife a recount of everything I do

every day

Q I thought a minute ago you said you had

some discussions with her -shy

A Maybe when he first filed it a year and a

half earlier but since then I never

Q Well she was aware that he had accused

her of threatening him in at least one motion to

recuse

A Yeah

Q Okay

A Yeah Yeah

Q And that - - the way Mr Schneider phrased

it he said Was there communication to the fact

that quote unquote weve got another one of

those Would you mind coming to testify

A Well those arent my words Those are

Mr Schneiders

Q They are but you said that was probably

exactly what was said

A The substance You know its -- I -- I

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A Those arent my words I mean I dont

use those words But I said Can you come back

You know Im doing a hearing on Melnicks motion to

recuse

Q But you did ask her to come to court and

she did know that she was coming to court to talk

about the motion

A I dont think she knew that she was going

to be testifying but she knew she was coming to

court and it was on Melnicks motion

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EXAMINATION

BY MR DUNKINSON

Q I want to continue with that before I ask

my other questions I apologize because Im the

layperson here so I have a lot of -shy

THE CHAIR Mr Catalano has pointed that

out

Q I want to make sure I understand this

because I just -- Im very confused about the

conversation with you and your wife and what the

judges have asked Page 61 this is your quote not

Schneiders I probably told her -- I may have

told her that you know Steves filed a motion to

recuse based on that conversation What L

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conversation are we talking about Is that not the

phone conversation that were talking about

A Right That would have been the phone

conversation

Q So at that point which is at your lunch

or before your lunch your wife knew what you were

going to be asking her to do Because you then

say -- or Mr Schneider says on 62 There was a

communication of the fact that quote Weve got

another one of these Would you mind coming to

testify And you again said That was probably

exactly what was saiq

A I didnt remember specifically what I had

told her I mean if you look at Line 17 on 61 I

say I probably told her and then I say I may have

told her I didnt remember exactly what I told

her I just know that I told her I was doing a

motion to recuse at 130 and if she could come back

and specifically I didnt remember

Q All right So those statements you -shy

are you now saying that those statements are not

correct Is that what youre saying

A No Im saying -shy

Q Are you retracting those

A -- I may have told her I probably -- I

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dont remember specifically Certainly today I

dont remember specifically what I told her a year

and a half ago

Q I understand

A But when this happened when I gave this

statement and I think it was November -- yeah

November I wasnt a hundred percent what I told

her August 6th

Q All right Well the only point is you

know in her testimony yesterday as well as yours

both of you denied that you had any conversation

about it

A No I asked her to come back at 130

Q She claimed she knew nothing about what

it was about

A She didnt know I was going to be calling

her as

Q Implied that she did

A -- a witness

THE CHAIR Lets each of you finish

talking and the other can answer

Q All right Question the motion to

recuse again I dont know this but I have a

limited understanding -- can it not be the lawyer

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I didnt study this disquaiification and

disclosure I justwent by what I learned at

judicial college two years earlier You know

I -- its impossible to know everything they

teach you at judicial college They give you

2000 pages worth of material for Session A

they give you 2000 pages of material for

Session B and were going to make mistakes

THE CHAIR I hate to interrupt When

did you go to judicial college

THE RE$PONDENT I went March I guess

2007 and -shy

THE CHAIR Did you just put these in a

closet and not read them

I mean I dont want to hear 2000

pages

Im sorry Judge

JUDGE SILBERMAN As ~e sit heremiddot today

do you agree that you violated Canons 3 3 (b)

the provisions that we went through

THE RESPONDENT Ye~

JUDGE SILBERMAN Canon 2(a) A Judge

sha-lmiddotl relJpect and aomply wi-th the Lawmiddot and sha]l

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JUDGE SILBERMAN Do you believe t~a t

yqur conduct is in violation of Canon 2(a)

THE RESPONDENT yemiddots bull

don t believe was on the nmiddototice of

investigation but I do think it s pertinent i

UA judge smiddothall not allow f amily smiddotocial

pcgtlitical or other relationshipmiddotsmiddot to influente

t~e judges judicial conduct or judgmenmiddott II

Do you think that someone cmiddotould look at

Y9u r conduct and say 11 Sounds like there s a

pzolgtlem with 2 (b) as wellmiddot II

THE RESPONDENT You know I just -- Im

going to say yes I just -- you know I made

it very careful that I would not -- I didnt

comment on my wifes testimony I didnt say

liMy wife is right and youre wrong I believe

my wife II I just -- I didnt go anywhere near

there I just backed off and said IIIm not

making any rulings Your motions granted

I just tried to clear this matter up We

were friends before And thats what I did

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JUDGE FREEMAN So they were not trying

to participate Right

THE RESPONDENT No No they werent

trying to participate

JUDGE FREEMAN Had the State Attorneys

Office ever request that you have that hearing

THE RESPONDENT No

JUDGE FREEMAN Had the State Attorneys

Office ever objected to the motion to recuse

THE RESPONDENT No

JUDGE FREEMAN Thank you

THE CHAIR Mr Morales

MR MORALES Your Honor one thing

Obviously whats legally sufficient for a

layperson I dont -- Ill leave that to the

judges and the lawyers but the fact that you

happened to go t~lunch with your wife that day

and you said Oh why dont you come on by

Were going to have this little hearing do

you think thats appropriate

THE RESPONDENT I didnt I dont -shy

its not -- the whole thing is not appropriate

The fact that I had the hearing I know is not

appropriate Probably not

MR MORALES Have you ever heard of

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Hey Im going to have a hearing after lunch

Why dont you come by and testify

THE RESPONDENT No

MR MORALES Okay You thought you

should have had this hearing

THE RESPONDENT At the time yes now

no But-shy

MR MORALES Youre going to take a

li~t~e time the next time and think about what

youre doing

THE RESPONDENT It wasnt my intent -shy

you have to understand it wasnt my intent I

wouldnt have called the guy like a couple of

days later and said Im sorry I told him

the whole thing blew up My intent was just to

repair a friendship I just

MR MORALES Repairing your f~iendship

seems to work a lot better when youre sitti~g

down talking to somebody over a cold beer or -shy

either that or just sitting in your chambers

Hey lets talk about this

THE RESPONDENT I know But if it goes

bad then theyre saying youre berating them

in chambers I just should have let it go and

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JUDGE SILVERNAIL Well is that the only

reason you think it was inappropriate

THE RESPONDENT I do think his motion

was legally insufficient and I should have

just denied it as legally insufficient and

closed the book on that case

JUDGE SILVERNAIL Okay That answers my

questions Thank you

THE RESPONDENT Okay Thank you

THE CHAIR Anybody anything else

Judge do you want to close wrap up

THE RESPONDENT No I -- I do I do

At the time I held the hearing I thought

I had the right to hold the hearing based on my

misinterpretation on what I learned at judge

school I knew that I had to grant the motion

just by the fact that I held the hearing

When I came in her~ today I legally

still think I could have held the hearing but

for different reasons because the motion was

legally insufficient based on the case law and

the research that Ive done I didnt think

about the questions that you all have posed me

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I didnt say one word at that recount I

didnt open my mouth at that recount I was

there to watch and support my wife who was

going through a very difficult time in her

life I mean I dont know if you have any

idea how tough it is to be involved in a

recount I mean it turned into a circus And

she had nobody And I was there at the recount

with her

I did not open my mouth once I didnt

talk to anybody at that recount I was just

physically there with her And thats all I

did

I understand about ~erception I handled

this badly I know I handled this badly I

understand its perception I dont think

legally I did anything wrong and thats why I

gave you the cases Its not - Im not an

expert on the area of disqualification Ive

only filed one motion to disqualify in 20 years

as a lawyer

I know its bad And Ive granted every

single one I just -- and I got frustrated

He carne into court and gave me three at once

and I just wanted to clear it up so that he

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wouldnt file them in the future It really

had nothing to do with my wife it was more

just clearing up steve why are you doing

this Im your friend I dont understand

And thats where I was coming from It

really had nothing to do with my wife

THE CHAIR Dr Haber

Judge Wolf

JUDGE WOLF I cant let a couple of

things go You know you came in here saying

you were trying to hold this hearing SO you

could get over the friendship -- or get your

friendship back with this guy And thats not

true It is directly in conflict with what you

just said I held a hearing to get him t6

stop filing these motions That was the

reason you held this hearing And that is

inappropriate for getting someone to stop

filing motions So youre digging yourself a

bigger grave

THE RESPONDENT Can I respond

JUDGE WOLF No

All I want to -- well Ill let you

respond The reason you held that hearing was

to get him to s~op filing motions wasnt it

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THE RESPONDENT Okay I thought that

the reason he was filing the motions was

because he was afraid that I would retaliate

against him And we were friends and if he

understood that we had a friendship and maybe

he misunderstood what was going on between him

and my wife that he wouldnt -- that it would

be okay

And thats what I thought when I left the

hearing its all cleared up he heard her

side she heard his IIAnd now you dont have

to be afraid that I couldnt be fair in your

case II

I thought that Honestly I -- I dont

have a problem recusing myself on cases I

dont own these cases I have no stake in

these cases I just its just frustrating

when somebodys your friend and thinks that you

cant be fair You know Im sure thats

happened to you And its just frustrating

And I was friends with Steve Melnick so

but youre right I mean I didnt want him

to continually file them But the reason he

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THE RESPONDENT Correct

JUDGE SILBERMAN 3(a) of the code A

judge shall hear -- Im sorry 3(b) (1) A

~udge shall hear and decide matters assigned to

the judge except those in which

disqualification is required

Do you understand that sentence

THE RESPONDENT I do

JUDGE SILBERMAN So why dont you

describe for the commission how those two

provisions fit together and support your

conducting an evidentiary hearing in which your

wife is a witness

THE RESPONDENT It doesnt Although

the only thing I could say is that I did

disqualify myself from the hearing There was

no harm well theres harm to the dommunity

I dont want to say that theres no harm but

I mean but Mr Melnick wanted

disqualification I granted his

disqualification I mean my mi~take obviously

was h~ving the hearing But that doesnt

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looking at this say or conclude that you

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JUDGE SILBERMAN- Andmiddot your reo$middotpon~libility

as a judge is not to put Y01rself or the

judiciary in that position r isnt it

THE RESPONDENT Yes

JUDGE SILBERMAN Why wasmiddot your wifemiddot at

THE RESPONDENT I asked her to be there

JUDGE SILBERMAN So you provided for a

witness to attend an evidentiary hearing that

you were going to conduct

THE RESPONDENT (Moving head up amiddotnd

~UDGE SILBERMAN I canthear you

THEmiddot RESmiddotPO~NDENT Yes Yes

J-UDGE SILBEmiddotR~AN She was nomiddott under

sulgtpoena

THE RESPONDENT No

JUDGE SILBERMAN This is an evidentiary

hearing on a motion to disqualify in the ca~e

of State versus Gibbs Wheres the prosecutor

in this hearing

THE RESPONDENT They were in the

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courtroom They might not have announced but

they were in the courtroom

JUDGE SILBERMAN Did you invite them to

participate

THE RESPONDENT They were just sitting

at the prosecutors table

JUDGE SILBERMAN -Did you ask them if

they had any questions of the witness

THE RESPONDENT No

JUDGE SILBERMAN You start out the

hearing by asking your wife if she had the

opportunity to read the motion Correct

THE RESPONDENT Correct

JUDGE SILBERMAN Mr Melnick then

objects relating that-youre going to have to

make -- if you go forward with the hearing

youre going to be making determinations as to

credibility Correct

THE RESPONDENT Correct

JUDGE SILBERMAN And in fact you asked

questions of your wife Is that correct

THE RESPONDENT Thats correct

JUDGE SILBERMAN You indicated that you

knew you were supposed to recuse in this

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Well can I just -- I knew once I held

the hearing I was required to recuse

didnt -- and I knew that the whole purpose of

having the hearing again was to flush things

out But once I started the hearing I knew I

had to recuse

JUDGE SILBERMAN Was the motion legally

sufficient to require your recusal

THE RESPONDENT No

JUDGE SILBERMAN Why didnt you deny it

THE RESPONDENT At the time I thought

I thought it was legal~y sufficient at the

time I also thought I hadnt done anything

wrong at the time When I got this complaint

the notice of investigation I read the rule of

judicial administration which I wasnt aware

and I saw that I couldnt have the hearing

And I realized at that point that I made a

mistake But then in preparing for this

hearing I did some research Im more

familiar with disqualification now And now my

opinion is that the motion is not legally

sufficient At the time my opinion was that it

was legally sufficient

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concluded it was legally sufficient

THE RESPONDENT (Moving head up and

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JUDGE SILBERMAN I cant hear you

THE RESPONDENT Yes At the time - shy

JUDGE SILBERMAN So why - shy

THE RESPONDENT At the time I thought it

wasmiddotlegally sufficient

JUDGE SILBER~AN I~ you thought it was

legally sufficientwhy didnt you recuse

yourself on the spot

THE RESPONDENT Because I thought that I

had the right to hold a hearing based on the

disqualification disclosure packet from the

judicial college I didnt know that it was

required ~nder the Rule of Judicial

Administratioh I was looking at -- you know~

again Do not hold a hearing because it

doesnt require a hearing which means its

discretionary And then it says If you do

h~ld a hearing you must assume the facts are

true and that just by holding a hearing that

alone will require you to disqualify yourself

And thats why I held the hearing

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believed it to be legally sufficient

THE RESPONDENT Correct

JUDGE SILBERMAN In which case

I dont understand the purpose of the

hearing other than look at page seven 4(a)

Expressing displeasure with attorney for

bringing motion to disqualify may be considered

intimidation

THE RESPONDENT Right I didn t express

any displeasure

JUDGE SILBERMAN Conducting a hearing on

a matter that you already determined required

yoti to disqualify yourself is not intimidation

THE RESPONDENT It could be And I

tried to be -- you have to understand I tried

to be nice to him during this hearing I

wasnt going after him and making him feel bad

because he was filing the motion I was just

~rying to flush otit the facts And I said that

in the hearing Im just trying to flush

everything out so that everybody knows

Because we were friends before we can still be

friends And thats why I did it

I didnt study -- you have to understand

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transcript after theres a dialogue again with

Mr Melnick you then state I dont think I

have to make any kind of ruling as to the

factual dispute Is that correct

THE RESPONDENT Correct

JUDGE SILBERMAN In which case again

there was no legally justifiable purpose for

this hearing Is that correct

THE RESPONDENT Yes Yeah theres no

legalJy justifiable purpose correct It wasmiddot

more a moral thing

JUDGE SILBERMAN I was

THE RESPONDENT It was personal It

wasnt -- but it wasnt personal in a negative

way I wasnt attacking the man I was

friends with the man Its hard to explain

when youre a judge and youre friends with

people and then because of an election that

has nothing to do with you now people are

attacking you

But I realize I had no business holding

that hearing And if it looks like because I

held the hearing that alone is intimidation

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dont know what else

Q Thats fine Ill -- Ill get you back

to where we want to go

A Okay

Q Now it was a little after noon I

believe you said when you arrived in your husbands

courtroom

A Correct

Q Okay And at about 1230 your husband

adjourned and told everyone to come back at 130

Correct

A Correct

Q Okay And then you went to lunch with

him

A Correct

Q All right Just the two of you at lunchZ

A Right

Q All right And your husband asked you to

return to the courtroom with him at 130 Correct

A No He asked me if I was coming back to

the courthouse And I told him that I had hearing

at 130 And he asked me if when I was done if I

would come back into -- come back to his courtroom

A lot of times he would ask me to do that because

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might find interesting or a motion to suppress or

an attorneys arguments are interesting or

whatever -- just for interest So he would let me

know ahead of time And so thats why when he said

you know Will you come back after your hearing I

had agreed I would

Q So during your hour long lunch with your

husband you did not discuss the motion -- the

recusal motion that Mr Melnick had filed in the

Gibbs case

A No

Q No discussion of that whatsoever

A No

Q And you did not -- he did not even tell

you that he was going to -- planning to call you as

a wi tness did he

A No

Q Just came as a total shock to you

A Yes

Q Okay And we do have a transcript I

believe thats in the record here of that and

weve been through that already and I dont need to

belabor that with you All right Now-shy

A Im not sure I understand I just want

to be really clear on everything What do you mean

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the back door because my office would be on the

other side of the back door And when were leaving

the courtroom I just asked her Can you corne back

at 130 She told me she had a hearing with Judge

Gates at 130 and then she said she would corne by

as soon as that hearing with Judge Gates was over

JUDGE MENENDEZ Could I corne back and

ask a question now

THE CHAIR Okay with you

JUDGE WARREN Yeah Go ahead

EXAMINATION

BY JUDGE MENENDEZ

Q Did you have any discussions with your

wife over the fact that this lawyer Mr Melnick

was filing all these motions when he was alleging

that she had threatened him during a phone call

A If I did it would have been -shy

Q At anytime

A a year and a half earlier when he

fir s t f i led it

Q Okay And did that concern her at all

as far as expressing any concern to you about it

A This was a very minor instance Like my

wife said this was like middota meaningless event She

had run two campaigns where theres serious issues

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with serious candidates violating rules that really

needed attention This was -- she called Melnick

up she said You cant have re-elect You

cant ~- you need to say retain He changed it

and that was it I mean Melnick corrected it right

away My wife called him right away and said you

know Youre violating the rules It was

corrected and that was the end of it

Q There was apparently a disagreement at

the hearing between Mr Melnick and your wife where

I thought that her initial testimony at the hearing

before you was that she had called him because there

was a disclaimer missing from some advertisement for

Judge Dijols and then Mr Melnick contradicted her

on that and said No it didnt deal with the

disclaimer It dealt with the re-elect versus

retain

A Exactly The disclaimer on ~very

political advertisement says This ad has been

approved by the candidate This shows that my wife

and I didnt discuss it Because my wife didnt

ev~n get the issue right If I had discussed this

with my wife she would have known what the issue

was and she would have been correct ~n her

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Q So you credited Mr Melnicks credibility

rather than hers

A Melnick was right Hey look you

know

Q All right

A But if my wife and I talked about it she

would have gotten it right she came to court and

she had no idea and

Q Well she had some idea didnt she that

you were going

A She knew she was coming to a hearing

Q About the motions to recuse

A About Melnick

Q And his motions to recuse

A Yes

Q Okay You did tell her that ahead of

time In fact Mr Schneider phrased it says We

got another one of those Would you mind coming and

testifying And you said That was probably

exactly what was said

A Well I -- I didnt remember

QPage 62

A I asked her can you -- can you come

back I dont know that my wife knew that Melnick

had filed -- theres no way she didnt know

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theres no way she knew because I dont discuss

these things with her I just sign them and go on

I dont give my wife a recount of everything I do

every day

Q I thought a minute ago you said you had

some discussions with her -shy

A Maybe when he first filed it a year and a

half earlier but since then I never

Q Well she was aware that he had accused

her of threatening him in at least one motion to

recuse

A Yeah

Q Okay

A Yeah Yeah

Q And that - - the way Mr Schneider phrased

it he said Was there communication to the fact

that quote unquote weve got another one of

those Would you mind coming to testify

A Well those arent my words Those are

Mr Schneiders

Q They are but you said that was probably

exactly what was said

A The substance You know its -- I -- I

dont know

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A Those arent my words I mean I dont

use those words But I said Can you come back

You know Im doing a hearing on Melnicks motion to

recuse

Q But you did ask her to come to court and

she did know that she was coming to court to talk

about the motion

A I dont think she knew that she was going

to be testifying but she knew she was coming to

court and it was on Melnicks motion

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EXAMINATION

BY MR DUNKINSON

Q I want to continue with that before I ask

my other questions I apologize because Im the

layperson here so I have a lot of -shy

THE CHAIR Mr Catalano has pointed that

out

Q I want to make sure I understand this

because I just -- Im very confused about the

conversation with you and your wife and what the

judges have asked Page 61 this is your quote not

Schneiders I probably told her -- I may have

told her that you know Steves filed a motion to

recuse based on that conversation What L

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conversation are we talking about Is that not the

phone conversation that were talking about

A Right That would have been the phone

conversation

Q So at that point which is at your lunch

or before your lunch your wife knew what you were

going to be asking her to do Because you then

say -- or Mr Schneider says on 62 There was a

communication of the fact that quote Weve got

another one of these Would you mind coming to

testify And you again said That was probably

exactly what was saiq

A I didnt remember specifically what I had

told her I mean if you look at Line 17 on 61 I

say I probably told her and then I say I may have

told her I didnt remember exactly what I told

her I just know that I told her I was doing a

motion to recuse at 130 and if she could come back

and specifically I didnt remember

Q All right So those statements you -shy

are you now saying that those statements are not

correct Is that what youre saying

A No Im saying -shy

Q Are you retracting those

A -- I may have told her I probably -- I

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dont remember specifically Certainly today I

dont remember specifically what I told her a year

and a half ago

Q I understand

A But when this happened when I gave this

statement and I think it was November -- yeah

November I wasnt a hundred percent what I told

her August 6th

Q All right Well the only point is you

know in her testimony yesterday as well as yours

both of you denied that you had any conversation

about it

A No I asked her to come back at 130

Q She claimed she knew nothing about what

it was about

A She didnt know I was going to be calling

her as

Q Implied that she did

A -- a witness

THE CHAIR Lets each of you finish

talking and the other can answer

Q All right Question the motion to

recuse again I dont know this but I have a

limited understanding -- can it not be the lawyer

that has an issue with you in addition to the

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I didnt study this disquaiification and

disclosure I justwent by what I learned at

judicial college two years earlier You know

I -- its impossible to know everything they

teach you at judicial college They give you

2000 pages worth of material for Session A

they give you 2000 pages of material for

Session B and were going to make mistakes

THE CHAIR I hate to interrupt When

did you go to judicial college

THE RE$PONDENT I went March I guess

2007 and -shy

THE CHAIR Did you just put these in a

closet and not read them

I mean I dont want to hear 2000

pages

Im sorry Judge

JUDGE SILBERMAN As ~e sit heremiddot today

do you agree that you violated Canons 3 3 (b)

the provisions that we went through

THE RESPONDENT Ye~

JUDGE SILBERMAN Canon 2(a) A Judge

sha-lmiddotl relJpect and aomply wi-th the Lawmiddot and sha]l

public conpoundidence and the integrity and ~

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JUDGE SILBERMAN Do you believe t~a t

yqur conduct is in violation of Canon 2(a)

THE RESPONDENT yemiddots bull

don t believe was on the nmiddototice of

investigation but I do think it s pertinent i

UA judge smiddothall not allow f amily smiddotocial

pcgtlitical or other relationshipmiddotsmiddot to influente

t~e judges judicial conduct or judgmenmiddott II

Do you think that someone cmiddotould look at

Y9u r conduct and say 11 Sounds like there s a

pzolgtlem with 2 (b) as wellmiddot II

THE RESPONDENT You know I just -- Im

going to say yes I just -- you know I made

it very careful that I would not -- I didnt

comment on my wifes testimony I didnt say

liMy wife is right and youre wrong I believe

my wife II I just -- I didnt go anywhere near

there I just backed off and said IIIm not

making any rulings Your motions granted

I just tried to clear this matter up We

were friends before And thats what I did

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JUDGE FREEMAN So they were not trying

to participate Right

THE RESPONDENT No No they werent

trying to participate

JUDGE FREEMAN Had the State Attorneys

Office ever request that you have that hearing

THE RESPONDENT No

JUDGE FREEMAN Had the State Attorneys

Office ever objected to the motion to recuse

THE RESPONDENT No

JUDGE FREEMAN Thank you

THE CHAIR Mr Morales

MR MORALES Your Honor one thing

Obviously whats legally sufficient for a

layperson I dont -- Ill leave that to the

judges and the lawyers but the fact that you

happened to go t~lunch with your wife that day

and you said Oh why dont you come on by

Were going to have this little hearing do

you think thats appropriate

THE RESPONDENT I didnt I dont -shy

its not -- the whole thing is not appropriate

The fact that I had the hearing I know is not

appropriate Probably not

MR MORALES Have you ever heard of

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Hey Im going to have a hearing after lunch

Why dont you come by and testify

THE RESPONDENT No

MR MORALES Okay You thought you

should have had this hearing

THE RESPONDENT At the time yes now

no But-shy

MR MORALES Youre going to take a

li~t~e time the next time and think about what

youre doing

THE RESPONDENT It wasnt my intent -shy

you have to understand it wasnt my intent I

wouldnt have called the guy like a couple of

days later and said Im sorry I told him

the whole thing blew up My intent was just to

repair a friendship I just

MR MORALES Repairing your f~iendship

seems to work a lot better when youre sitti~g

down talking to somebody over a cold beer or -shy

either that or just sitting in your chambers

Hey lets talk about this

THE RESPONDENT I know But if it goes

bad then theyre saying youre berating them

in chambers I just should have let it go and

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JUDGE SILVERNAIL Well is that the only

reason you think it was inappropriate

THE RESPONDENT I do think his motion

was legally insufficient and I should have

just denied it as legally insufficient and

closed the book on that case

JUDGE SILVERNAIL Okay That answers my

questions Thank you

THE RESPONDENT Okay Thank you

THE CHAIR Anybody anything else

Judge do you want to close wrap up

THE RESPONDENT No I -- I do I do

At the time I held the hearing I thought

I had the right to hold the hearing based on my

misinterpretation on what I learned at judge

school I knew that I had to grant the motion

just by the fact that I held the hearing

When I came in her~ today I legally

still think I could have held the hearing but

for different reasons because the motion was

legally insufficient based on the case law and

the research that Ive done I didnt think

about the questions that you all have posed me

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wouldnt file them in the future It really

had nothing to do with my wife it was more

just clearing up steve why are you doing

this Im your friend I dont understand

And thats where I was coming from It

really had nothing to do with my wife

THE CHAIR Dr Haber

Judge Wolf

JUDGE WOLF I cant let a couple of

things go You know you came in here saying

you were trying to hold this hearing SO you

could get over the friendship -- or get your

friendship back with this guy And thats not

true It is directly in conflict with what you

just said I held a hearing to get him t6

stop filing these motions That was the

reason you held this hearing And that is

inappropriate for getting someone to stop

filing motions So youre digging yourself a

bigger grave

THE RESPONDENT Can I respond

JUDGE WOLF No

All I want to -- well Ill let you

respond The reason you held that hearing was

to get him to s~op filing motions wasnt it

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THE RESPONDENT Okay I thought that

the reason he was filing the motions was

because he was afraid that I would retaliate

against him And we were friends and if he

understood that we had a friendship and maybe

he misunderstood what was going on between him

and my wife that he wouldnt -- that it would

be okay

And thats what I thought when I left the

hearing its all cleared up he heard her

side she heard his IIAnd now you dont have

to be afraid that I couldnt be fair in your

case II

I thought that Honestly I -- I dont

have a problem recusing myself on cases I

dont own these cases I have no stake in

these cases I just its just frustrating

when somebodys your friend and thinks that you

cant be fair You know Im sure thats

happened to you And its just frustrating

And I was friends with Steve Melnick so

but youre right I mean I didnt want him

to continually file them But the reason he

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THE RESPONDENT Correct

JUDGE SILBERMAN 3(a) of the code A

judge shall hear -- Im sorry 3(b) (1) A

~udge shall hear and decide matters assigned to

the judge except those in which

disqualification is required

Do you understand that sentence

THE RESPONDENT I do

JUDGE SILBERMAN So why dont you

describe for the commission how those two

provisions fit together and support your

conducting an evidentiary hearing in which your

wife is a witness

THE RESPONDENT It doesnt Although

the only thing I could say is that I did

disqualify myself from the hearing There was

no harm well theres harm to the dommunity

I dont want to say that theres no harm but

I mean but Mr Melnick wanted

disqualification I granted his

disqualification I mean my mi~take obviously

was h~ving the hearing But that doesnt

JPPG~ ~ILBE~~~ Couldn t a p~r$on

looking at this say or conclude that you

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telling you that -shy

JUDGE SILBERMAN- Andmiddot your reo$middotpon~libility

as a judge is not to put Y01rself or the

judiciary in that position r isnt it

THE RESPONDENT Yes

JUDGE SILBERMAN Why wasmiddot your wifemiddot at

THE RESPONDENT I asked her to be there

JUDGE SILBERMAN So you provided for a

witness to attend an evidentiary hearing that

you were going to conduct

THE RESPONDENT (Moving head up amiddotnd

~UDGE SILBERMAN I canthear you

THEmiddot RESmiddotPO~NDENT Yes Yes

J-UDGE SILBEmiddotR~AN She was nomiddott under

sulgtpoena

THE RESPONDENT No

JUDGE SILBERMAN This is an evidentiary

hearing on a motion to disqualify in the ca~e

of State versus Gibbs Wheres the prosecutor

in this hearing

THE RESPONDENT They were in the

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courtroom They might not have announced but

they were in the courtroom

JUDGE SILBERMAN Did you invite them to

participate

THE RESPONDENT They were just sitting

at the prosecutors table

JUDGE SILBERMAN -Did you ask them if

they had any questions of the witness

THE RESPONDENT No

JUDGE SILBERMAN You start out the

hearing by asking your wife if she had the

opportunity to read the motion Correct

THE RESPONDENT Correct

JUDGE SILBERMAN Mr Melnick then

objects relating that-youre going to have to

make -- if you go forward with the hearing

youre going to be making determinations as to

credibility Correct

THE RESPONDENT Correct

JUDGE SILBERMAN And in fact you asked

questions of your wife Is that correct

THE RESPONDENT Thats correct

JUDGE SILBERMAN You indicated that you

knew you were supposed to recuse in this

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Well can I just -- I knew once I held

the hearing I was required to recuse

didnt -- and I knew that the whole purpose of

having the hearing again was to flush things

out But once I started the hearing I knew I

had to recuse

JUDGE SILBERMAN Was the motion legally

sufficient to require your recusal

THE RESPONDENT No

JUDGE SILBERMAN Why didnt you deny it

THE RESPONDENT At the time I thought

I thought it was legal~y sufficient at the

time I also thought I hadnt done anything

wrong at the time When I got this complaint

the notice of investigation I read the rule of

judicial administration which I wasnt aware

and I saw that I couldnt have the hearing

And I realized at that point that I made a

mistake But then in preparing for this

hearing I did some research Im more

familiar with disqualification now And now my

opinion is that the motion is not legally

sufficient At the time my opinion was that it

was legally sufficient

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concluded it was legally sufficient

THE RESPONDENT (Moving head up and

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JUDGE SILBERMAN I cant hear you

THE RESPONDENT Yes At the time - shy

JUDGE SILBERMAN So why - shy

THE RESPONDENT At the time I thought it

wasmiddotlegally sufficient

JUDGE SILBER~AN I~ you thought it was

legally sufficientwhy didnt you recuse

yourself on the spot

THE RESPONDENT Because I thought that I

had the right to hold a hearing based on the

disqualification disclosure packet from the

judicial college I didnt know that it was

required ~nder the Rule of Judicial

Administratioh I was looking at -- you know~

again Do not hold a hearing because it

doesnt require a hearing which means its

discretionary And then it says If you do

h~ld a hearing you must assume the facts are

true and that just by holding a hearing that

alone will require you to disqualify yourself

And thats why I held the hearing

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JUDGE SILBERMAN Well you said you

believed it to be legally sufficient

THE RESPONDENT Correct

JUDGE SILBERMAN In which case

I dont understand the purpose of the

hearing other than look at page seven 4(a)

Expressing displeasure with attorney for

bringing motion to disqualify may be considered

intimidation

THE RESPONDENT Right I didn t express

any displeasure

JUDGE SILBERMAN Conducting a hearing on

a matter that you already determined required

yoti to disqualify yourself is not intimidation

THE RESPONDENT It could be And I

tried to be -- you have to understand I tried

to be nice to him during this hearing I

wasnt going after him and making him feel bad

because he was filing the motion I was just

~rying to flush otit the facts And I said that

in the hearing Im just trying to flush

everything out so that everybody knows

Because we were friends before we can still be

friends And thats why I did it

I didnt study -- you have to understand

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transcript after theres a dialogue again with

Mr Melnick you then state I dont think I

have to make any kind of ruling as to the

factual dispute Is that correct

THE RESPONDENT Correct

JUDGE SILBERMAN In which case again

there was no legally justifiable purpose for

this hearing Is that correct

THE RESPONDENT Yes Yeah theres no

legalJy justifiable purpose correct It wasmiddot

more a moral thing

JUDGE SILBERMAN I was

THE RESPONDENT It was personal It

wasnt -- but it wasnt personal in a negative

way I wasnt attacking the man I was

friends with the man Its hard to explain

when youre a judge and youre friends with

people and then because of an election that

has nothing to do with you now people are

attacking you

But I realize I had no business holding

that hearing And if it looks like because I

held the hearing that alone is intimidation

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dont know what else

Q Thats fine Ill -- Ill get you back

to where we want to go

A Okay

Q Now it was a little after noon I

believe you said when you arrived in your husbands

courtroom

A Correct

Q Okay And at about 1230 your husband

adjourned and told everyone to come back at 130

Correct

A Correct

Q Okay And then you went to lunch with

him

A Correct

Q All right Just the two of you at lunchZ

A Right

Q All right And your husband asked you to

return to the courtroom with him at 130 Correct

A No He asked me if I was coming back to

the courthouse And I told him that I had hearing

at 130 And he asked me if when I was done if I

would come back into -- come back to his courtroom

A lot of times he would ask me to do that because

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might find interesting or a motion to suppress or

an attorneys arguments are interesting or

whatever -- just for interest So he would let me

know ahead of time And so thats why when he said

you know Will you come back after your hearing I

had agreed I would

Q So during your hour long lunch with your

husband you did not discuss the motion -- the

recusal motion that Mr Melnick had filed in the

Gibbs case

A No

Q No discussion of that whatsoever

A No

Q And you did not -- he did not even tell

you that he was going to -- planning to call you as

a wi tness did he

A No

Q Just came as a total shock to you

A Yes

Q Okay And we do have a transcript I

believe thats in the record here of that and

weve been through that already and I dont need to

belabor that with you All right Now-shy

A Im not sure I understand I just want

to be really clear on everything What do you mean

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the back door because my office would be on the

other side of the back door And when were leaving

the courtroom I just asked her Can you corne back

at 130 She told me she had a hearing with Judge

Gates at 130 and then she said she would corne by

as soon as that hearing with Judge Gates was over

JUDGE MENENDEZ Could I corne back and

ask a question now

THE CHAIR Okay with you

JUDGE WARREN Yeah Go ahead

EXAMINATION

BY JUDGE MENENDEZ

Q Did you have any discussions with your

wife over the fact that this lawyer Mr Melnick

was filing all these motions when he was alleging

that she had threatened him during a phone call

A If I did it would have been -shy

Q At anytime

A a year and a half earlier when he

fir s t f i led it

Q Okay And did that concern her at all

as far as expressing any concern to you about it

A This was a very minor instance Like my

wife said this was like middota meaningless event She

had run two campaigns where theres serious issues

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with serious candidates violating rules that really

needed attention This was -- she called Melnick

up she said You cant have re-elect You

cant ~- you need to say retain He changed it

and that was it I mean Melnick corrected it right

away My wife called him right away and said you

know Youre violating the rules It was

corrected and that was the end of it

Q There was apparently a disagreement at

the hearing between Mr Melnick and your wife where

I thought that her initial testimony at the hearing

before you was that she had called him because there

was a disclaimer missing from some advertisement for

Judge Dijols and then Mr Melnick contradicted her

on that and said No it didnt deal with the

disclaimer It dealt with the re-elect versus

retain

A Exactly The disclaimer on ~very

political advertisement says This ad has been

approved by the candidate This shows that my wife

and I didnt discuss it Because my wife didnt

ev~n get the issue right If I had discussed this

with my wife she would have known what the issue

was and she would have been correct ~n her

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Q So you credited Mr Melnicks credibility

rather than hers

A Melnick was right Hey look you

know

Q All right

A But if my wife and I talked about it she

would have gotten it right she came to court and

she had no idea and

Q Well she had some idea didnt she that

you were going

A She knew she was coming to a hearing

Q About the motions to recuse

A About Melnick

Q And his motions to recuse

A Yes

Q Okay You did tell her that ahead of

time In fact Mr Schneider phrased it says We

got another one of those Would you mind coming and

testifying And you said That was probably

exactly what was said

A Well I -- I didnt remember

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A I asked her can you -- can you come

back I dont know that my wife knew that Melnick

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theres no way she knew because I dont discuss

these things with her I just sign them and go on

I dont give my wife a recount of everything I do

every day

Q I thought a minute ago you said you had

some discussions with her -shy

A Maybe when he first filed it a year and a

half earlier but since then I never

Q Well she was aware that he had accused

her of threatening him in at least one motion to

recuse

A Yeah

Q Okay

A Yeah Yeah

Q And that - - the way Mr Schneider phrased

it he said Was there communication to the fact

that quote unquote weve got another one of

those Would you mind coming to testify

A Well those arent my words Those are

Mr Schneiders

Q They are but you said that was probably

exactly what was said

A The substance You know its -- I -- I

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A Those arent my words I mean I dont

use those words But I said Can you come back

You know Im doing a hearing on Melnicks motion to

recuse

Q But you did ask her to come to court and

she did know that she was coming to court to talk

about the motion

A I dont think she knew that she was going

to be testifying but she knew she was coming to

court and it was on Melnicks motion

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EXAMINATION

BY MR DUNKINSON

Q I want to continue with that before I ask

my other questions I apologize because Im the

layperson here so I have a lot of -shy

THE CHAIR Mr Catalano has pointed that

out

Q I want to make sure I understand this

because I just -- Im very confused about the

conversation with you and your wife and what the

judges have asked Page 61 this is your quote not

Schneiders I probably told her -- I may have

told her that you know Steves filed a motion to

recuse based on that conversation What L

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conversation are we talking about Is that not the

phone conversation that were talking about

A Right That would have been the phone

conversation

Q So at that point which is at your lunch

or before your lunch your wife knew what you were

going to be asking her to do Because you then

say -- or Mr Schneider says on 62 There was a

communication of the fact that quote Weve got

another one of these Would you mind coming to

testify And you again said That was probably

exactly what was saiq

A I didnt remember specifically what I had

told her I mean if you look at Line 17 on 61 I

say I probably told her and then I say I may have

told her I didnt remember exactly what I told

her I just know that I told her I was doing a

motion to recuse at 130 and if she could come back

and specifically I didnt remember

Q All right So those statements you -shy

are you now saying that those statements are not

correct Is that what youre saying

A No Im saying -shy

Q Are you retracting those

A -- I may have told her I probably -- I

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dont remember specifically Certainly today I

dont remember specifically what I told her a year

and a half ago

Q I understand

A But when this happened when I gave this

statement and I think it was November -- yeah

November I wasnt a hundred percent what I told

her August 6th

Q All right Well the only point is you

know in her testimony yesterday as well as yours

both of you denied that you had any conversation

about it

A No I asked her to come back at 130

Q She claimed she knew nothing about what

it was about

A She didnt know I was going to be calling

her as

Q Implied that she did

A -- a witness

THE CHAIR Lets each of you finish

talking and the other can answer

Q All right Question the motion to

recuse again I dont know this but I have a

limited understanding -- can it not be the lawyer

that has an issue with you in addition to the

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I didnt study this disquaiification and

disclosure I justwent by what I learned at

judicial college two years earlier You know

I -- its impossible to know everything they

teach you at judicial college They give you

2000 pages worth of material for Session A

they give you 2000 pages of material for

Session B and were going to make mistakes

THE CHAIR I hate to interrupt When

did you go to judicial college

THE RE$PONDENT I went March I guess

2007 and -shy

THE CHAIR Did you just put these in a

closet and not read them

I mean I dont want to hear 2000

pages

Im sorry Judge

JUDGE SILBERMAN As ~e sit heremiddot today

do you agree that you violated Canons 3 3 (b)

the provisions that we went through

THE RESPONDENT Ye~

JUDGE SILBERMAN Canon 2(a) A Judge

sha-lmiddotl relJpect and aomply wi-th the Lawmiddot and sha]l

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JUDGE SILBERMAN Do you believe t~a t

yqur conduct is in violation of Canon 2(a)

THE RESPONDENT yemiddots bull

don t believe was on the nmiddototice of

investigation but I do think it s pertinent i

UA judge smiddothall not allow f amily smiddotocial

pcgtlitical or other relationshipmiddotsmiddot to influente

t~e judges judicial conduct or judgmenmiddott II

Do you think that someone cmiddotould look at

Y9u r conduct and say 11 Sounds like there s a

pzolgtlem with 2 (b) as wellmiddot II

THE RESPONDENT You know I just -- Im

going to say yes I just -- you know I made

it very careful that I would not -- I didnt

comment on my wifes testimony I didnt say

liMy wife is right and youre wrong I believe

my wife II I just -- I didnt go anywhere near

there I just backed off and said IIIm not

making any rulings Your motions granted

I just tried to clear this matter up We

were friends before And thats what I did

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JUDGE FREEMAN So they were not trying

to participate Right

THE RESPONDENT No No they werent

trying to participate

JUDGE FREEMAN Had the State Attorneys

Office ever request that you have that hearing

THE RESPONDENT No

JUDGE FREEMAN Had the State Attorneys

Office ever objected to the motion to recuse

THE RESPONDENT No

JUDGE FREEMAN Thank you

THE CHAIR Mr Morales

MR MORALES Your Honor one thing

Obviously whats legally sufficient for a

layperson I dont -- Ill leave that to the

judges and the lawyers but the fact that you

happened to go t~lunch with your wife that day

and you said Oh why dont you come on by

Were going to have this little hearing do

you think thats appropriate

THE RESPONDENT I didnt I dont -shy

its not -- the whole thing is not appropriate

The fact that I had the hearing I know is not

appropriate Probably not

MR MORALES Have you ever heard of

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Hey Im going to have a hearing after lunch

Why dont you come by and testify

THE RESPONDENT No

MR MORALES Okay You thought you

should have had this hearing

THE RESPONDENT At the time yes now

no But-shy

MR MORALES Youre going to take a

li~t~e time the next time and think about what

youre doing

THE RESPONDENT It wasnt my intent -shy

you have to understand it wasnt my intent I

wouldnt have called the guy like a couple of

days later and said Im sorry I told him

the whole thing blew up My intent was just to

repair a friendship I just

MR MORALES Repairing your f~iendship

seems to work a lot better when youre sitti~g

down talking to somebody over a cold beer or -shy

either that or just sitting in your chambers

Hey lets talk about this

THE RESPONDENT I know But if it goes

bad then theyre saying youre berating them

in chambers I just should have let it go and

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JUDGE SILVERNAIL Well is that the only

reason you think it was inappropriate

THE RESPONDENT I do think his motion

was legally insufficient and I should have

just denied it as legally insufficient and

closed the book on that case

JUDGE SILVERNAIL Okay That answers my

questions Thank you

THE RESPONDENT Okay Thank you

THE CHAIR Anybody anything else

Judge do you want to close wrap up

THE RESPONDENT No I -- I do I do

At the time I held the hearing I thought

I had the right to hold the hearing based on my

misinterpretation on what I learned at judge

school I knew that I had to grant the motion

just by the fact that I held the hearing

When I came in her~ today I legally

still think I could have held the hearing but

for different reasons because the motion was

legally insufficient based on the case law and

the research that Ive done I didnt think

about the questions that you all have posed me

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THE RESPONDENT Okay I thought that

the reason he was filing the motions was

because he was afraid that I would retaliate

against him And we were friends and if he

understood that we had a friendship and maybe

he misunderstood what was going on between him

and my wife that he wouldnt -- that it would

be okay

And thats what I thought when I left the

hearing its all cleared up he heard her

side she heard his IIAnd now you dont have

to be afraid that I couldnt be fair in your

case II

I thought that Honestly I -- I dont

have a problem recusing myself on cases I

dont own these cases I have no stake in

these cases I just its just frustrating

when somebodys your friend and thinks that you

cant be fair You know Im sure thats

happened to you And its just frustrating

And I was friends with Steve Melnick so

but youre right I mean I didnt want him

to continually file them But the reason he

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THE RESPONDENT Correct

JUDGE SILBERMAN 3(a) of the code A

judge shall hear -- Im sorry 3(b) (1) A

~udge shall hear and decide matters assigned to

the judge except those in which

disqualification is required

Do you understand that sentence

THE RESPONDENT I do

JUDGE SILBERMAN So why dont you

describe for the commission how those two

provisions fit together and support your

conducting an evidentiary hearing in which your

wife is a witness

THE RESPONDENT It doesnt Although

the only thing I could say is that I did

disqualify myself from the hearing There was

no harm well theres harm to the dommunity

I dont want to say that theres no harm but

I mean but Mr Melnick wanted

disqualification I granted his

disqualification I mean my mi~take obviously

was h~ving the hearing But that doesnt

JPPG~ ~ILBE~~~ Couldn t a p~r$on

looking at this say or conclude that you

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telling you that -shy

JUDGE SILBERMAN- Andmiddot your reo$middotpon~libility

as a judge is not to put Y01rself or the

judiciary in that position r isnt it

THE RESPONDENT Yes

JUDGE SILBERMAN Why wasmiddot your wifemiddot at

THE RESPONDENT I asked her to be there

JUDGE SILBERMAN So you provided for a

witness to attend an evidentiary hearing that

you were going to conduct

THE RESPONDENT (Moving head up amiddotnd

~UDGE SILBERMAN I canthear you

THEmiddot RESmiddotPO~NDENT Yes Yes

J-UDGE SILBEmiddotR~AN She was nomiddott under

sulgtpoena

THE RESPONDENT No

JUDGE SILBERMAN This is an evidentiary

hearing on a motion to disqualify in the ca~e

of State versus Gibbs Wheres the prosecutor

in this hearing

THE RESPONDENT They were in the

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courtroom They might not have announced but

they were in the courtroom

JUDGE SILBERMAN Did you invite them to

participate

THE RESPONDENT They were just sitting

at the prosecutors table

JUDGE SILBERMAN -Did you ask them if

they had any questions of the witness

THE RESPONDENT No

JUDGE SILBERMAN You start out the

hearing by asking your wife if she had the

opportunity to read the motion Correct

THE RESPONDENT Correct

JUDGE SILBERMAN Mr Melnick then

objects relating that-youre going to have to

make -- if you go forward with the hearing

youre going to be making determinations as to

credibility Correct

THE RESPONDENT Correct

JUDGE SILBERMAN And in fact you asked

questions of your wife Is that correct

THE RESPONDENT Thats correct

JUDGE SILBERMAN You indicated that you

knew you were supposed to recuse in this

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Well can I just -- I knew once I held

the hearing I was required to recuse

didnt -- and I knew that the whole purpose of

having the hearing again was to flush things

out But once I started the hearing I knew I

had to recuse

JUDGE SILBERMAN Was the motion legally

sufficient to require your recusal

THE RESPONDENT No

JUDGE SILBERMAN Why didnt you deny it

THE RESPONDENT At the time I thought

I thought it was legal~y sufficient at the

time I also thought I hadnt done anything

wrong at the time When I got this complaint

the notice of investigation I read the rule of

judicial administration which I wasnt aware

and I saw that I couldnt have the hearing

And I realized at that point that I made a

mistake But then in preparing for this

hearing I did some research Im more

familiar with disqualification now And now my

opinion is that the motion is not legally

sufficient At the time my opinion was that it

was legally sufficient

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concluded it was legally sufficient

THE RESPONDENT (Moving head up and

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JUDGE SILBERMAN I cant hear you

THE RESPONDENT Yes At the time - shy

JUDGE SILBERMAN So why - shy

THE RESPONDENT At the time I thought it

wasmiddotlegally sufficient

JUDGE SILBER~AN I~ you thought it was

legally sufficientwhy didnt you recuse

yourself on the spot

THE RESPONDENT Because I thought that I

had the right to hold a hearing based on the

disqualification disclosure packet from the

judicial college I didnt know that it was

required ~nder the Rule of Judicial

Administratioh I was looking at -- you know~

again Do not hold a hearing because it

doesnt require a hearing which means its

discretionary And then it says If you do

h~ld a hearing you must assume the facts are

true and that just by holding a hearing that

alone will require you to disqualify yourself

And thats why I held the hearing

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believed it to be legally sufficient

THE RESPONDENT Correct

JUDGE SILBERMAN In which case

I dont understand the purpose of the

hearing other than look at page seven 4(a)

Expressing displeasure with attorney for

bringing motion to disqualify may be considered

intimidation

THE RESPONDENT Right I didn t express

any displeasure

JUDGE SILBERMAN Conducting a hearing on

a matter that you already determined required

yoti to disqualify yourself is not intimidation

THE RESPONDENT It could be And I

tried to be -- you have to understand I tried

to be nice to him during this hearing I

wasnt going after him and making him feel bad

because he was filing the motion I was just

~rying to flush otit the facts And I said that

in the hearing Im just trying to flush

everything out so that everybody knows

Because we were friends before we can still be

friends And thats why I did it

I didnt study -- you have to understand

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transcript after theres a dialogue again with

Mr Melnick you then state I dont think I

have to make any kind of ruling as to the

factual dispute Is that correct

THE RESPONDENT Correct

JUDGE SILBERMAN In which case again

there was no legally justifiable purpose for

this hearing Is that correct

THE RESPONDENT Yes Yeah theres no

legalJy justifiable purpose correct It wasmiddot

more a moral thing

JUDGE SILBERMAN I was

THE RESPONDENT It was personal It

wasnt -- but it wasnt personal in a negative

way I wasnt attacking the man I was

friends with the man Its hard to explain

when youre a judge and youre friends with

people and then because of an election that

has nothing to do with you now people are

attacking you

But I realize I had no business holding

that hearing And if it looks like because I

held the hearing that alone is intimidation

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dont know what else

Q Thats fine Ill -- Ill get you back

to where we want to go

A Okay

Q Now it was a little after noon I

believe you said when you arrived in your husbands

courtroom

A Correct

Q Okay And at about 1230 your husband

adjourned and told everyone to come back at 130

Correct

A Correct

Q Okay And then you went to lunch with

him

A Correct

Q All right Just the two of you at lunchZ

A Right

Q All right And your husband asked you to

return to the courtroom with him at 130 Correct

A No He asked me if I was coming back to

the courthouse And I told him that I had hearing

at 130 And he asked me if when I was done if I

would come back into -- come back to his courtroom

A lot of times he would ask me to do that because

there was maybe a closing argument that he thought I L

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might find interesting or a motion to suppress or

an attorneys arguments are interesting or

whatever -- just for interest So he would let me

know ahead of time And so thats why when he said

you know Will you come back after your hearing I

had agreed I would

Q So during your hour long lunch with your

husband you did not discuss the motion -- the

recusal motion that Mr Melnick had filed in the

Gibbs case

A No

Q No discussion of that whatsoever

A No

Q And you did not -- he did not even tell

you that he was going to -- planning to call you as

a wi tness did he

A No

Q Just came as a total shock to you

A Yes

Q Okay And we do have a transcript I

believe thats in the record here of that and

weve been through that already and I dont need to

belabor that with you All right Now-shy

A Im not sure I understand I just want

to be really clear on everything What do you mean

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the back door because my office would be on the

other side of the back door And when were leaving

the courtroom I just asked her Can you corne back

at 130 She told me she had a hearing with Judge

Gates at 130 and then she said she would corne by

as soon as that hearing with Judge Gates was over

JUDGE MENENDEZ Could I corne back and

ask a question now

THE CHAIR Okay with you

JUDGE WARREN Yeah Go ahead

EXAMINATION

BY JUDGE MENENDEZ

Q Did you have any discussions with your

wife over the fact that this lawyer Mr Melnick

was filing all these motions when he was alleging

that she had threatened him during a phone call

A If I did it would have been -shy

Q At anytime

A a year and a half earlier when he

fir s t f i led it

Q Okay And did that concern her at all

as far as expressing any concern to you about it

A This was a very minor instance Like my

wife said this was like middota meaningless event She

had run two campaigns where theres serious issues

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with serious candidates violating rules that really

needed attention This was -- she called Melnick

up she said You cant have re-elect You

cant ~- you need to say retain He changed it

and that was it I mean Melnick corrected it right

away My wife called him right away and said you

know Youre violating the rules It was

corrected and that was the end of it

Q There was apparently a disagreement at

the hearing between Mr Melnick and your wife where

I thought that her initial testimony at the hearing

before you was that she had called him because there

was a disclaimer missing from some advertisement for

Judge Dijols and then Mr Melnick contradicted her

on that and said No it didnt deal with the

disclaimer It dealt with the re-elect versus

retain

A Exactly The disclaimer on ~very

political advertisement says This ad has been

approved by the candidate This shows that my wife

and I didnt discuss it Because my wife didnt

ev~n get the issue right If I had discussed this

with my wife she would have known what the issue

was and she would have been correct ~n her

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Q So you credited Mr Melnicks credibility

rather than hers

A Melnick was right Hey look you

know

Q All right

A But if my wife and I talked about it she

would have gotten it right she came to court and

she had no idea and

Q Well she had some idea didnt she that

you were going

A She knew she was coming to a hearing

Q About the motions to recuse

A About Melnick

Q And his motions to recuse

A Yes

Q Okay You did tell her that ahead of

time In fact Mr Schneider phrased it says We

got another one of those Would you mind coming and

testifying And you said That was probably

exactly what was said

A Well I -- I didnt remember

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A I asked her can you -- can you come

back I dont know that my wife knew that Melnick

had filed -- theres no way she didnt know

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theres no way she knew because I dont discuss

these things with her I just sign them and go on

I dont give my wife a recount of everything I do

every day

Q I thought a minute ago you said you had

some discussions with her -shy

A Maybe when he first filed it a year and a

half earlier but since then I never

Q Well she was aware that he had accused

her of threatening him in at least one motion to

recuse

A Yeah

Q Okay

A Yeah Yeah

Q And that - - the way Mr Schneider phrased

it he said Was there communication to the fact

that quote unquote weve got another one of

those Would you mind coming to testify

A Well those arent my words Those are

Mr Schneiders

Q They are but you said that was probably

exactly what was said

A The substance You know its -- I -- I

dont know

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use those words But I said Can you come back

You know Im doing a hearing on Melnicks motion to

recuse

Q But you did ask her to come to court and

she did know that she was coming to court to talk

about the motion

A I dont think she knew that she was going

to be testifying but she knew she was coming to

court and it was on Melnicks motion

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BY MR DUNKINSON

Q I want to continue with that before I ask

my other questions I apologize because Im the

layperson here so I have a lot of -shy

THE CHAIR Mr Catalano has pointed that

out

Q I want to make sure I understand this

because I just -- Im very confused about the

conversation with you and your wife and what the

judges have asked Page 61 this is your quote not

Schneiders I probably told her -- I may have

told her that you know Steves filed a motion to

recuse based on that conversation What L

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conversation are we talking about Is that not the

phone conversation that were talking about

A Right That would have been the phone

conversation

Q So at that point which is at your lunch

or before your lunch your wife knew what you were

going to be asking her to do Because you then

say -- or Mr Schneider says on 62 There was a

communication of the fact that quote Weve got

another one of these Would you mind coming to

testify And you again said That was probably

exactly what was saiq

A I didnt remember specifically what I had

told her I mean if you look at Line 17 on 61 I

say I probably told her and then I say I may have

told her I didnt remember exactly what I told

her I just know that I told her I was doing a

motion to recuse at 130 and if she could come back

and specifically I didnt remember

Q All right So those statements you -shy

are you now saying that those statements are not

correct Is that what youre saying

A No Im saying -shy

Q Are you retracting those

A -- I may have told her I probably -- I

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dont remember specifically Certainly today I

dont remember specifically what I told her a year

and a half ago

Q I understand

A But when this happened when I gave this

statement and I think it was November -- yeah

November I wasnt a hundred percent what I told

her August 6th

Q All right Well the only point is you

know in her testimony yesterday as well as yours

both of you denied that you had any conversation

about it

A No I asked her to come back at 130

Q She claimed she knew nothing about what

it was about

A She didnt know I was going to be calling

her as

Q Implied that she did

A -- a witness

THE CHAIR Lets each of you finish

talking and the other can answer

Q All right Question the motion to

recuse again I dont know this but I have a

limited understanding -- can it not be the lawyer

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I didnt study this disquaiification and

disclosure I justwent by what I learned at

judicial college two years earlier You know

I -- its impossible to know everything they

teach you at judicial college They give you

2000 pages worth of material for Session A

they give you 2000 pages of material for

Session B and were going to make mistakes

THE CHAIR I hate to interrupt When

did you go to judicial college

THE RE$PONDENT I went March I guess

2007 and -shy

THE CHAIR Did you just put these in a

closet and not read them

I mean I dont want to hear 2000

pages

Im sorry Judge

JUDGE SILBERMAN As ~e sit heremiddot today

do you agree that you violated Canons 3 3 (b)

the provisions that we went through

THE RESPONDENT Ye~

JUDGE SILBERMAN Canon 2(a) A Judge

sha-lmiddotl relJpect and aomply wi-th the Lawmiddot and sha]l

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JUDGE SILBERMAN Do you believe t~a t

yqur conduct is in violation of Canon 2(a)

THE RESPONDENT yemiddots bull

don t believe was on the nmiddototice of

investigation but I do think it s pertinent i

UA judge smiddothall not allow f amily smiddotocial

pcgtlitical or other relationshipmiddotsmiddot to influente

t~e judges judicial conduct or judgmenmiddott II

Do you think that someone cmiddotould look at

Y9u r conduct and say 11 Sounds like there s a

pzolgtlem with 2 (b) as wellmiddot II

THE RESPONDENT You know I just -- Im

going to say yes I just -- you know I made

it very careful that I would not -- I didnt

comment on my wifes testimony I didnt say

liMy wife is right and youre wrong I believe

my wife II I just -- I didnt go anywhere near

there I just backed off and said IIIm not

making any rulings Your motions granted

I just tried to clear this matter up We

were friends before And thats what I did

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JUDGE FREEMAN So they were not trying

to participate Right

THE RESPONDENT No No they werent

trying to participate

JUDGE FREEMAN Had the State Attorneys

Office ever request that you have that hearing

THE RESPONDENT No

JUDGE FREEMAN Had the State Attorneys

Office ever objected to the motion to recuse

THE RESPONDENT No

JUDGE FREEMAN Thank you

THE CHAIR Mr Morales

MR MORALES Your Honor one thing

Obviously whats legally sufficient for a

layperson I dont -- Ill leave that to the

judges and the lawyers but the fact that you

happened to go t~lunch with your wife that day

and you said Oh why dont you come on by

Were going to have this little hearing do

you think thats appropriate

THE RESPONDENT I didnt I dont -shy

its not -- the whole thing is not appropriate

The fact that I had the hearing I know is not

appropriate Probably not

MR MORALES Have you ever heard of

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amiddotnother judge seeing someone at lunch and say

Hey Im going to have a hearing after lunch

Why dont you come by and testify

THE RESPONDENT No

MR MORALES Okay You thought you

should have had this hearing

THE RESPONDENT At the time yes now

no But-shy

MR MORALES Youre going to take a

li~t~e time the next time and think about what

youre doing

THE RESPONDENT It wasnt my intent -shy

you have to understand it wasnt my intent I

wouldnt have called the guy like a couple of

days later and said Im sorry I told him

the whole thing blew up My intent was just to

repair a friendship I just

MR MORALES Repairing your f~iendship

seems to work a lot better when youre sitti~g

down talking to somebody over a cold beer or -shy

either that or just sitting in your chambers

Hey lets talk about this

THE RESPONDENT I know But if it goes

bad then theyre saying youre berating them

in chambers I just should have let it go and

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JUDGE SILVERNAIL Well is that the only

reason you think it was inappropriate

THE RESPONDENT I do think his motion

was legally insufficient and I should have

just denied it as legally insufficient and

closed the book on that case

JUDGE SILVERNAIL Okay That answers my

questions Thank you

THE RESPONDENT Okay Thank you

THE CHAIR Anybody anything else

Judge do you want to close wrap up

THE RESPONDENT No I -- I do I do

At the time I held the hearing I thought

I had the right to hold the hearing based on my

misinterpretation on what I learned at judge

school I knew that I had to grant the motion

just by the fact that I held the hearing

When I came in her~ today I legally

still think I could have held the hearing but

for different reasons because the motion was

legally insufficient based on the case law and

the research that Ive done I didnt think

about the questions that you all have posed me

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THE RESPONDENT Correct

JUDGE SILBERMAN 3(a) of the code A

judge shall hear -- Im sorry 3(b) (1) A

~udge shall hear and decide matters assigned to

the judge except those in which

disqualification is required

Do you understand that sentence

THE RESPONDENT I do

JUDGE SILBERMAN So why dont you

describe for the commission how those two

provisions fit together and support your

conducting an evidentiary hearing in which your

wife is a witness

THE RESPONDENT It doesnt Although

the only thing I could say is that I did

disqualify myself from the hearing There was

no harm well theres harm to the dommunity

I dont want to say that theres no harm but

I mean but Mr Melnick wanted

disqualification I granted his

disqualification I mean my mi~take obviously

was h~ving the hearing But that doesnt

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looking at this say or conclude that you

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telling you that -shy

JUDGE SILBERMAN- Andmiddot your reo$middotpon~libility

as a judge is not to put Y01rself or the

judiciary in that position r isnt it

THE RESPONDENT Yes

JUDGE SILBERMAN Why wasmiddot your wifemiddot at

THE RESPONDENT I asked her to be there

JUDGE SILBERMAN So you provided for a

witness to attend an evidentiary hearing that

you were going to conduct

THE RESPONDENT (Moving head up amiddotnd

~UDGE SILBERMAN I canthear you

THEmiddot RESmiddotPO~NDENT Yes Yes

J-UDGE SILBEmiddotR~AN She was nomiddott under

sulgtpoena

THE RESPONDENT No

JUDGE SILBERMAN This is an evidentiary

hearing on a motion to disqualify in the ca~e

of State versus Gibbs Wheres the prosecutor

in this hearing

THE RESPONDENT They were in the

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courtroom They might not have announced but

they were in the courtroom

JUDGE SILBERMAN Did you invite them to

participate

THE RESPONDENT They were just sitting

at the prosecutors table

JUDGE SILBERMAN -Did you ask them if

they had any questions of the witness

THE RESPONDENT No

JUDGE SILBERMAN You start out the

hearing by asking your wife if she had the

opportunity to read the motion Correct

THE RESPONDENT Correct

JUDGE SILBERMAN Mr Melnick then

objects relating that-youre going to have to

make -- if you go forward with the hearing

youre going to be making determinations as to

credibility Correct

THE RESPONDENT Correct

JUDGE SILBERMAN And in fact you asked

questions of your wife Is that correct

THE RESPONDENT Thats correct

JUDGE SILBERMAN You indicated that you

knew you were supposed to recuse in this

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Well can I just -- I knew once I held

the hearing I was required to recuse

didnt -- and I knew that the whole purpose of

having the hearing again was to flush things

out But once I started the hearing I knew I

had to recuse

JUDGE SILBERMAN Was the motion legally

sufficient to require your recusal

THE RESPONDENT No

JUDGE SILBERMAN Why didnt you deny it

THE RESPONDENT At the time I thought

I thought it was legal~y sufficient at the

time I also thought I hadnt done anything

wrong at the time When I got this complaint

the notice of investigation I read the rule of

judicial administration which I wasnt aware

and I saw that I couldnt have the hearing

And I realized at that point that I made a

mistake But then in preparing for this

hearing I did some research Im more

familiar with disqualification now And now my

opinion is that the motion is not legally

sufficient At the time my opinion was that it

was legally sufficient

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concluded it was legally sufficient

THE RESPONDENT (Moving head up and

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JUDGE SILBERMAN I cant hear you

THE RESPONDENT Yes At the time - shy

JUDGE SILBERMAN So why - shy

THE RESPONDENT At the time I thought it

wasmiddotlegally sufficient

JUDGE SILBER~AN I~ you thought it was

legally sufficientwhy didnt you recuse

yourself on the spot

THE RESPONDENT Because I thought that I

had the right to hold a hearing based on the

disqualification disclosure packet from the

judicial college I didnt know that it was

required ~nder the Rule of Judicial

Administratioh I was looking at -- you know~

again Do not hold a hearing because it

doesnt require a hearing which means its

discretionary And then it says If you do

h~ld a hearing you must assume the facts are

true and that just by holding a hearing that

alone will require you to disqualify yourself

And thats why I held the hearing

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JUDGE SILBERMAN Well you said you

believed it to be legally sufficient

THE RESPONDENT Correct

JUDGE SILBERMAN In which case

I dont understand the purpose of the

hearing other than look at page seven 4(a)

Expressing displeasure with attorney for

bringing motion to disqualify may be considered

intimidation

THE RESPONDENT Right I didn t express

any displeasure

JUDGE SILBERMAN Conducting a hearing on

a matter that you already determined required

yoti to disqualify yourself is not intimidation

THE RESPONDENT It could be And I

tried to be -- you have to understand I tried

to be nice to him during this hearing I

wasnt going after him and making him feel bad

because he was filing the motion I was just

~rying to flush otit the facts And I said that

in the hearing Im just trying to flush

everything out so that everybody knows

Because we were friends before we can still be

friends And thats why I did it

I didnt study -- you have to understand

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transcript after theres a dialogue again with

Mr Melnick you then state I dont think I

have to make any kind of ruling as to the

factual dispute Is that correct

THE RESPONDENT Correct

JUDGE SILBERMAN In which case again

there was no legally justifiable purpose for

this hearing Is that correct

THE RESPONDENT Yes Yeah theres no

legalJy justifiable purpose correct It wasmiddot

more a moral thing

JUDGE SILBERMAN I was

THE RESPONDENT It was personal It

wasnt -- but it wasnt personal in a negative

way I wasnt attacking the man I was

friends with the man Its hard to explain

when youre a judge and youre friends with

people and then because of an election that

has nothing to do with you now people are

attacking you

But I realize I had no business holding

that hearing And if it looks like because I

held the hearing that alone is intimidation

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dont know what else

Q Thats fine Ill -- Ill get you back

to where we want to go

A Okay

Q Now it was a little after noon I

believe you said when you arrived in your husbands

courtroom

A Correct

Q Okay And at about 1230 your husband

adjourned and told everyone to come back at 130

Correct

A Correct

Q Okay And then you went to lunch with

him

A Correct

Q All right Just the two of you at lunchZ

A Right

Q All right And your husband asked you to

return to the courtroom with him at 130 Correct

A No He asked me if I was coming back to

the courthouse And I told him that I had hearing

at 130 And he asked me if when I was done if I

would come back into -- come back to his courtroom

A lot of times he would ask me to do that because

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might find interesting or a motion to suppress or

an attorneys arguments are interesting or

whatever -- just for interest So he would let me

know ahead of time And so thats why when he said

you know Will you come back after your hearing I

had agreed I would

Q So during your hour long lunch with your

husband you did not discuss the motion -- the

recusal motion that Mr Melnick had filed in the

Gibbs case

A No

Q No discussion of that whatsoever

A No

Q And you did not -- he did not even tell

you that he was going to -- planning to call you as

a wi tness did he

A No

Q Just came as a total shock to you

A Yes

Q Okay And we do have a transcript I

believe thats in the record here of that and

weve been through that already and I dont need to

belabor that with you All right Now-shy

A Im not sure I understand I just want

to be really clear on everything What do you mean

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the back door because my office would be on the

other side of the back door And when were leaving

the courtroom I just asked her Can you corne back

at 130 She told me she had a hearing with Judge

Gates at 130 and then she said she would corne by

as soon as that hearing with Judge Gates was over

JUDGE MENENDEZ Could I corne back and

ask a question now

THE CHAIR Okay with you

JUDGE WARREN Yeah Go ahead

EXAMINATION

BY JUDGE MENENDEZ

Q Did you have any discussions with your

wife over the fact that this lawyer Mr Melnick

was filing all these motions when he was alleging

that she had threatened him during a phone call

A If I did it would have been -shy

Q At anytime

A a year and a half earlier when he

fir s t f i led it

Q Okay And did that concern her at all

as far as expressing any concern to you about it

A This was a very minor instance Like my

wife said this was like middota meaningless event She

had run two campaigns where theres serious issues

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with serious candidates violating rules that really

needed attention This was -- she called Melnick

up she said You cant have re-elect You

cant ~- you need to say retain He changed it

and that was it I mean Melnick corrected it right

away My wife called him right away and said you

know Youre violating the rules It was

corrected and that was the end of it

Q There was apparently a disagreement at

the hearing between Mr Melnick and your wife where

I thought that her initial testimony at the hearing

before you was that she had called him because there

was a disclaimer missing from some advertisement for

Judge Dijols and then Mr Melnick contradicted her

on that and said No it didnt deal with the

disclaimer It dealt with the re-elect versus

retain

A Exactly The disclaimer on ~very

political advertisement says This ad has been

approved by the candidate This shows that my wife

and I didnt discuss it Because my wife didnt

ev~n get the issue right If I had discussed this

with my wife she would have known what the issue

was and she would have been correct ~n her

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Q So you credited Mr Melnicks credibility

rather than hers

A Melnick was right Hey look you

know

Q All right

A But if my wife and I talked about it she

would have gotten it right she came to court and

she had no idea and

Q Well she had some idea didnt she that

you were going

A She knew she was coming to a hearing

Q About the motions to recuse

A About Melnick

Q And his motions to recuse

A Yes

Q Okay You did tell her that ahead of

time In fact Mr Schneider phrased it says We

got another one of those Would you mind coming and

testifying And you said That was probably

exactly what was said

A Well I -- I didnt remember

QPage 62

A I asked her can you -- can you come

back I dont know that my wife knew that Melnick

had filed -- theres no way she didnt know

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theres no way she knew because I dont discuss

these things with her I just sign them and go on

I dont give my wife a recount of everything I do

every day

Q I thought a minute ago you said you had

some discussions with her -shy

A Maybe when he first filed it a year and a

half earlier but since then I never

Q Well she was aware that he had accused

her of threatening him in at least one motion to

recuse

A Yeah

Q Okay

A Yeah Yeah

Q And that - - the way Mr Schneider phrased

it he said Was there communication to the fact

that quote unquote weve got another one of

those Would you mind coming to testify

A Well those arent my words Those are

Mr Schneiders

Q They are but you said that was probably

exactly what was said

A The substance You know its -- I -- I

dont know

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A Those arent my words I mean I dont

use those words But I said Can you come back

You know Im doing a hearing on Melnicks motion to

recuse

Q But you did ask her to come to court and

she did know that she was coming to court to talk

about the motion

A I dont think she knew that she was going

to be testifying but she knew she was coming to

court and it was on Melnicks motion

JUDGE WARREN Nothing r

EXAMINATION

BY MR DUNKINSON

Q I want to continue with that before I ask

my other questions I apologize because Im the

layperson here so I have a lot of -shy

THE CHAIR Mr Catalano has pointed that

out

Q I want to make sure I understand this

because I just -- Im very confused about the

conversation with you and your wife and what the

judges have asked Page 61 this is your quote not

Schneiders I probably told her -- I may have

told her that you know Steves filed a motion to

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conversation are we talking about Is that not the

phone conversation that were talking about

A Right That would have been the phone

conversation

Q So at that point which is at your lunch

or before your lunch your wife knew what you were

going to be asking her to do Because you then

say -- or Mr Schneider says on 62 There was a

communication of the fact that quote Weve got

another one of these Would you mind coming to

testify And you again said That was probably

exactly what was saiq

A I didnt remember specifically what I had

told her I mean if you look at Line 17 on 61 I

say I probably told her and then I say I may have

told her I didnt remember exactly what I told

her I just know that I told her I was doing a

motion to recuse at 130 and if she could come back

and specifically I didnt remember

Q All right So those statements you -shy

are you now saying that those statements are not

correct Is that what youre saying

A No Im saying -shy

Q Are you retracting those

A -- I may have told her I probably -- I

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dont remember specifically Certainly today I

dont remember specifically what I told her a year

and a half ago

Q I understand

A But when this happened when I gave this

statement and I think it was November -- yeah

November I wasnt a hundred percent what I told

her August 6th

Q All right Well the only point is you

know in her testimony yesterday as well as yours

both of you denied that you had any conversation

about it

A No I asked her to come back at 130

Q She claimed she knew nothing about what

it was about

A She didnt know I was going to be calling

her as

Q Implied that she did

A -- a witness

THE CHAIR Lets each of you finish

talking and the other can answer

Q All right Question the motion to

recuse again I dont know this but I have a

limited understanding -- can it not be the lawyer

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I didnt study this disquaiification and

disclosure I justwent by what I learned at

judicial college two years earlier You know

I -- its impossible to know everything they

teach you at judicial college They give you

2000 pages worth of material for Session A

they give you 2000 pages of material for

Session B and were going to make mistakes

THE CHAIR I hate to interrupt When

did you go to judicial college

THE RE$PONDENT I went March I guess

2007 and -shy

THE CHAIR Did you just put these in a

closet and not read them

I mean I dont want to hear 2000

pages

Im sorry Judge

JUDGE SILBERMAN As ~e sit heremiddot today

do you agree that you violated Canons 3 3 (b)

the provisions that we went through

THE RESPONDENT Ye~

JUDGE SILBERMAN Canon 2(a) A Judge

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JUDGE SILBERMAN Do you believe t~a t

yqur conduct is in violation of Canon 2(a)

THE RESPONDENT yemiddots bull

don t believe was on the nmiddototice of

investigation but I do think it s pertinent i

UA judge smiddothall not allow f amily smiddotocial

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t~e judges judicial conduct or judgmenmiddott II

Do you think that someone cmiddotould look at

Y9u r conduct and say 11 Sounds like there s a

pzolgtlem with 2 (b) as wellmiddot II

THE RESPONDENT You know I just -- Im

going to say yes I just -- you know I made

it very careful that I would not -- I didnt

comment on my wifes testimony I didnt say

liMy wife is right and youre wrong I believe

my wife II I just -- I didnt go anywhere near

there I just backed off and said IIIm not

making any rulings Your motions granted

I just tried to clear this matter up We

were friends before And thats what I did

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JUDGE FREEMAN So they were not trying

to participate Right

THE RESPONDENT No No they werent

trying to participate

JUDGE FREEMAN Had the State Attorneys

Office ever request that you have that hearing

THE RESPONDENT No

JUDGE FREEMAN Had the State Attorneys

Office ever objected to the motion to recuse

THE RESPONDENT No

JUDGE FREEMAN Thank you

THE CHAIR Mr Morales

MR MORALES Your Honor one thing

Obviously whats legally sufficient for a

layperson I dont -- Ill leave that to the

judges and the lawyers but the fact that you

happened to go t~lunch with your wife that day

and you said Oh why dont you come on by

Were going to have this little hearing do

you think thats appropriate

THE RESPONDENT I didnt I dont -shy

its not -- the whole thing is not appropriate

The fact that I had the hearing I know is not

appropriate Probably not

MR MORALES Have you ever heard of

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amiddotnother judge seeing someone at lunch and say

Hey Im going to have a hearing after lunch

Why dont you come by and testify

THE RESPONDENT No

MR MORALES Okay You thought you

should have had this hearing

THE RESPONDENT At the time yes now

no But-shy

MR MORALES Youre going to take a

li~t~e time the next time and think about what

youre doing

THE RESPONDENT It wasnt my intent -shy

you have to understand it wasnt my intent I

wouldnt have called the guy like a couple of

days later and said Im sorry I told him

the whole thing blew up My intent was just to

repair a friendship I just

MR MORALES Repairing your f~iendship

seems to work a lot better when youre sitti~g

down talking to somebody over a cold beer or -shy

either that or just sitting in your chambers

Hey lets talk about this

THE RESPONDENT I know But if it goes

bad then theyre saying youre berating them

in chambers I just should have let it go and

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JUDGE SILVERNAIL Well is that the only

reason you think it was inappropriate

THE RESPONDENT I do think his motion

was legally insufficient and I should have

just denied it as legally insufficient and

closed the book on that case

JUDGE SILVERNAIL Okay That answers my

questions Thank you

THE RESPONDENT Okay Thank you

THE CHAIR Anybody anything else

Judge do you want to close wrap up

THE RESPONDENT No I -- I do I do

At the time I held the hearing I thought

I had the right to hold the hearing based on my

misinterpretation on what I learned at judge

school I knew that I had to grant the motion

just by the fact that I held the hearing

When I came in her~ today I legally

still think I could have held the hearing but

for different reasons because the motion was

legally insufficient based on the case law and

the research that Ive done I didnt think

about the questions that you all have posed me

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telling you that -shy

JUDGE SILBERMAN- Andmiddot your reo$middotpon~libility

as a judge is not to put Y01rself or the

judiciary in that position r isnt it

THE RESPONDENT Yes

JUDGE SILBERMAN Why wasmiddot your wifemiddot at

THE RESPONDENT I asked her to be there

JUDGE SILBERMAN So you provided for a

witness to attend an evidentiary hearing that

you were going to conduct

THE RESPONDENT (Moving head up amiddotnd

~UDGE SILBERMAN I canthear you

THEmiddot RESmiddotPO~NDENT Yes Yes

J-UDGE SILBEmiddotR~AN She was nomiddott under

sulgtpoena

THE RESPONDENT No

JUDGE SILBERMAN This is an evidentiary

hearing on a motion to disqualify in the ca~e

of State versus Gibbs Wheres the prosecutor

in this hearing

THE RESPONDENT They were in the

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courtroom They might not have announced but

they were in the courtroom

JUDGE SILBERMAN Did you invite them to

participate

THE RESPONDENT They were just sitting

at the prosecutors table

JUDGE SILBERMAN -Did you ask them if

they had any questions of the witness

THE RESPONDENT No

JUDGE SILBERMAN You start out the

hearing by asking your wife if she had the

opportunity to read the motion Correct

THE RESPONDENT Correct

JUDGE SILBERMAN Mr Melnick then

objects relating that-youre going to have to

make -- if you go forward with the hearing

youre going to be making determinations as to

credibility Correct

THE RESPONDENT Correct

JUDGE SILBERMAN And in fact you asked

questions of your wife Is that correct

THE RESPONDENT Thats correct

JUDGE SILBERMAN You indicated that you

knew you were supposed to recuse in this

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THE RESPONDENT correct

Well can I just -- I knew once I held

the hearing I was required to recuse

didnt -- and I knew that the whole purpose of

having the hearing again was to flush things

out But once I started the hearing I knew I

had to recuse

JUDGE SILBERMAN Was the motion legally

sufficient to require your recusal

THE RESPONDENT No

JUDGE SILBERMAN Why didnt you deny it

THE RESPONDENT At the time I thought

I thought it was legal~y sufficient at the

time I also thought I hadnt done anything

wrong at the time When I got this complaint

the notice of investigation I read the rule of

judicial administration which I wasnt aware

and I saw that I couldnt have the hearing

And I realized at that point that I made a

mistake But then in preparing for this

hearing I did some research Im more

familiar with disqualification now And now my

opinion is that the motion is not legally

sufficient At the time my opinion was that it

was legally sufficient

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concluded it was legally sufficient

THE RESPONDENT (Moving head up and

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JUDGE SILBERMAN I cant hear you

THE RESPONDENT Yes At the time - shy

JUDGE SILBERMAN So why - shy

THE RESPONDENT At the time I thought it

wasmiddotlegally sufficient

JUDGE SILBER~AN I~ you thought it was

legally sufficientwhy didnt you recuse

yourself on the spot

THE RESPONDENT Because I thought that I

had the right to hold a hearing based on the

disqualification disclosure packet from the

judicial college I didnt know that it was

required ~nder the Rule of Judicial

Administratioh I was looking at -- you know~

again Do not hold a hearing because it

doesnt require a hearing which means its

discretionary And then it says If you do

h~ld a hearing you must assume the facts are

true and that just by holding a hearing that

alone will require you to disqualify yourself

And thats why I held the hearing

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JUDGE SILBERMAN Well you said you

believed it to be legally sufficient

THE RESPONDENT Correct

JUDGE SILBERMAN In which case

I dont understand the purpose of the

hearing other than look at page seven 4(a)

Expressing displeasure with attorney for

bringing motion to disqualify may be considered

intimidation

THE RESPONDENT Right I didn t express

any displeasure

JUDGE SILBERMAN Conducting a hearing on

a matter that you already determined required

yoti to disqualify yourself is not intimidation

THE RESPONDENT It could be And I

tried to be -- you have to understand I tried

to be nice to him during this hearing I

wasnt going after him and making him feel bad

because he was filing the motion I was just

~rying to flush otit the facts And I said that

in the hearing Im just trying to flush

everything out so that everybody knows

Because we were friends before we can still be

friends And thats why I did it

I didnt study -- you have to understand

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JUDGE SILBERMAN On page 13 of the

transcript after theres a dialogue again with

Mr Melnick you then state I dont think I

have to make any kind of ruling as to the

factual dispute Is that correct

THE RESPONDENT Correct

JUDGE SILBERMAN In which case again

there was no legally justifiable purpose for

this hearing Is that correct

THE RESPONDENT Yes Yeah theres no

legalJy justifiable purpose correct It wasmiddot

more a moral thing

JUDGE SILBERMAN I was

THE RESPONDENT It was personal It

wasnt -- but it wasnt personal in a negative

way I wasnt attacking the man I was

friends with the man Its hard to explain

when youre a judge and youre friends with

people and then because of an election that

has nothing to do with you now people are

attacking you

But I realize I had no business holding

that hearing And if it looks like because I

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dont know what else

Q Thats fine Ill -- Ill get you back

to where we want to go

A Okay

Q Now it was a little after noon I

believe you said when you arrived in your husbands

courtroom

A Correct

Q Okay And at about 1230 your husband

adjourned and told everyone to come back at 130

Correct

A Correct

Q Okay And then you went to lunch with

him

A Correct

Q All right Just the two of you at lunchZ

A Right

Q All right And your husband asked you to

return to the courtroom with him at 130 Correct

A No He asked me if I was coming back to

the courthouse And I told him that I had hearing

at 130 And he asked me if when I was done if I

would come back into -- come back to his courtroom

A lot of times he would ask me to do that because

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might find interesting or a motion to suppress or

an attorneys arguments are interesting or

whatever -- just for interest So he would let me

know ahead of time And so thats why when he said

you know Will you come back after your hearing I

had agreed I would

Q So during your hour long lunch with your

husband you did not discuss the motion -- the

recusal motion that Mr Melnick had filed in the

Gibbs case

A No

Q No discussion of that whatsoever

A No

Q And you did not -- he did not even tell

you that he was going to -- planning to call you as

a wi tness did he

A No

Q Just came as a total shock to you

A Yes

Q Okay And we do have a transcript I

believe thats in the record here of that and

weve been through that already and I dont need to

belabor that with you All right Now-shy

A Im not sure I understand I just want

to be really clear on everything What do you mean

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the back door because my office would be on the

other side of the back door And when were leaving

the courtroom I just asked her Can you corne back

at 130 She told me she had a hearing with Judge

Gates at 130 and then she said she would corne by

as soon as that hearing with Judge Gates was over

JUDGE MENENDEZ Could I corne back and

ask a question now

THE CHAIR Okay with you

JUDGE WARREN Yeah Go ahead

EXAMINATION

BY JUDGE MENENDEZ

Q Did you have any discussions with your

wife over the fact that this lawyer Mr Melnick

was filing all these motions when he was alleging

that she had threatened him during a phone call

A If I did it would have been -shy

Q At anytime

A a year and a half earlier when he

fir s t f i led it

Q Okay And did that concern her at all

as far as expressing any concern to you about it

A This was a very minor instance Like my

wife said this was like middota meaningless event She

had run two campaigns where theres serious issues

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with serious candidates violating rules that really

needed attention This was -- she called Melnick

up she said You cant have re-elect You

cant ~- you need to say retain He changed it

and that was it I mean Melnick corrected it right

away My wife called him right away and said you

know Youre violating the rules It was

corrected and that was the end of it

Q There was apparently a disagreement at

the hearing between Mr Melnick and your wife where

I thought that her initial testimony at the hearing

before you was that she had called him because there

was a disclaimer missing from some advertisement for

Judge Dijols and then Mr Melnick contradicted her

on that and said No it didnt deal with the

disclaimer It dealt with the re-elect versus

retain

A Exactly The disclaimer on ~very

political advertisement says This ad has been

approved by the candidate This shows that my wife

and I didnt discuss it Because my wife didnt

ev~n get the issue right If I had discussed this

with my wife she would have known what the issue

was and she would have been correct ~n her

testimony

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Q So you credited Mr Melnicks credibility

rather than hers

A Melnick was right Hey look you

know

Q All right

A But if my wife and I talked about it she

would have gotten it right she came to court and

she had no idea and

Q Well she had some idea didnt she that

you were going

A She knew she was coming to a hearing

Q About the motions to recuse

A About Melnick

Q And his motions to recuse

A Yes

Q Okay You did tell her that ahead of

time In fact Mr Schneider phrased it says We

got another one of those Would you mind coming and

testifying And you said That was probably

exactly what was said

A Well I -- I didnt remember

QPage 62

A I asked her can you -- can you come

back I dont know that my wife knew that Melnick

had filed -- theres no way she didnt know

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theres no way she knew because I dont discuss

these things with her I just sign them and go on

I dont give my wife a recount of everything I do

every day

Q I thought a minute ago you said you had

some discussions with her -shy

A Maybe when he first filed it a year and a

half earlier but since then I never

Q Well she was aware that he had accused

her of threatening him in at least one motion to

recuse

A Yeah

Q Okay

A Yeah Yeah

Q And that - - the way Mr Schneider phrased

it he said Was there communication to the fact

that quote unquote weve got another one of

those Would you mind coming to testify

A Well those arent my words Those are

Mr Schneiders

Q They are but you said that was probably

exactly what was said

A The substance You know its -- I -- I

dont know

Q Seems like you adopted his words there

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A Those arent my words I mean I dont

use those words But I said Can you come back

You know Im doing a hearing on Melnicks motion to

recuse

Q But you did ask her to come to court and

she did know that she was coming to court to talk

about the motion

A I dont think she knew that she was going

to be testifying but she knew she was coming to

court and it was on Melnicks motion

JUDGE WARREN Nothing r

EXAMINATION

BY MR DUNKINSON

Q I want to continue with that before I ask

my other questions I apologize because Im the

layperson here so I have a lot of -shy

THE CHAIR Mr Catalano has pointed that

out

Q I want to make sure I understand this

because I just -- Im very confused about the

conversation with you and your wife and what the

judges have asked Page 61 this is your quote not

Schneiders I probably told her -- I may have

told her that you know Steves filed a motion to

recuse based on that conversation What L

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conversation are we talking about Is that not the

phone conversation that were talking about

A Right That would have been the phone

conversation

Q So at that point which is at your lunch

or before your lunch your wife knew what you were

going to be asking her to do Because you then

say -- or Mr Schneider says on 62 There was a

communication of the fact that quote Weve got

another one of these Would you mind coming to

testify And you again said That was probably

exactly what was saiq

A I didnt remember specifically what I had

told her I mean if you look at Line 17 on 61 I

say I probably told her and then I say I may have

told her I didnt remember exactly what I told

her I just know that I told her I was doing a

motion to recuse at 130 and if she could come back

and specifically I didnt remember

Q All right So those statements you -shy

are you now saying that those statements are not

correct Is that what youre saying

A No Im saying -shy

Q Are you retracting those

A -- I may have told her I probably -- I

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dont remember specifically Certainly today I

dont remember specifically what I told her a year

and a half ago

Q I understand

A But when this happened when I gave this

statement and I think it was November -- yeah

November I wasnt a hundred percent what I told

her August 6th

Q All right Well the only point is you

know in her testimony yesterday as well as yours

both of you denied that you had any conversation

about it

A No I asked her to come back at 130

Q She claimed she knew nothing about what

it was about

A She didnt know I was going to be calling

her as

Q Implied that she did

A -- a witness

THE CHAIR Lets each of you finish

talking and the other can answer

Q All right Question the motion to

recuse again I dont know this but I have a

limited understanding -- can it not be the lawyer

that has an issue with you in addition to the

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I didnt study this disquaiification and

disclosure I justwent by what I learned at

judicial college two years earlier You know

I -- its impossible to know everything they

teach you at judicial college They give you

2000 pages worth of material for Session A

they give you 2000 pages of material for

Session B and were going to make mistakes

THE CHAIR I hate to interrupt When

did you go to judicial college

THE RE$PONDENT I went March I guess

2007 and -shy

THE CHAIR Did you just put these in a

closet and not read them

I mean I dont want to hear 2000

pages

Im sorry Judge

JUDGE SILBERMAN As ~e sit heremiddot today

do you agree that you violated Canons 3 3 (b)

the provisions that we went through

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JUDGE SILBERMAN Canon 2(a) A Judge

sha-lmiddotl relJpect and aomply wi-th the Lawmiddot and sha]l

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JUDGE SILBERMAN Do you believe t~a t

yqur conduct is in violation of Canon 2(a)

THE RESPONDENT yemiddots bull

don t believe was on the nmiddototice of

investigation but I do think it s pertinent i

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Do you think that someone cmiddotould look at

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THE RESPONDENT You know I just -- Im

going to say yes I just -- you know I made

it very careful that I would not -- I didnt

comment on my wifes testimony I didnt say

liMy wife is right and youre wrong I believe

my wife II I just -- I didnt go anywhere near

there I just backed off and said IIIm not

making any rulings Your motions granted

I just tried to clear this matter up We

were friends before And thats what I did

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JUDGE FREEMAN So they were not trying

to participate Right

THE RESPONDENT No No they werent

trying to participate

JUDGE FREEMAN Had the State Attorneys

Office ever request that you have that hearing

THE RESPONDENT No

JUDGE FREEMAN Had the State Attorneys

Office ever objected to the motion to recuse

THE RESPONDENT No

JUDGE FREEMAN Thank you

THE CHAIR Mr Morales

MR MORALES Your Honor one thing

Obviously whats legally sufficient for a

layperson I dont -- Ill leave that to the

judges and the lawyers but the fact that you

happened to go t~lunch with your wife that day

and you said Oh why dont you come on by

Were going to have this little hearing do

you think thats appropriate

THE RESPONDENT I didnt I dont -shy

its not -- the whole thing is not appropriate

The fact that I had the hearing I know is not

appropriate Probably not

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Hey Im going to have a hearing after lunch

Why dont you come by and testify

THE RESPONDENT No

MR MORALES Okay You thought you

should have had this hearing

THE RESPONDENT At the time yes now

no But-shy

MR MORALES Youre going to take a

li~t~e time the next time and think about what

youre doing

THE RESPONDENT It wasnt my intent -shy

you have to understand it wasnt my intent I

wouldnt have called the guy like a couple of

days later and said Im sorry I told him

the whole thing blew up My intent was just to

repair a friendship I just

MR MORALES Repairing your f~iendship

seems to work a lot better when youre sitti~g

down talking to somebody over a cold beer or -shy

either that or just sitting in your chambers

Hey lets talk about this

THE RESPONDENT I know But if it goes

bad then theyre saying youre berating them

in chambers I just should have let it go and

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JUDGE SILVERNAIL Well is that the only

reason you think it was inappropriate

THE RESPONDENT I do think his motion

was legally insufficient and I should have

just denied it as legally insufficient and

closed the book on that case

JUDGE SILVERNAIL Okay That answers my

questions Thank you

THE RESPONDENT Okay Thank you

THE CHAIR Anybody anything else

Judge do you want to close wrap up

THE RESPONDENT No I -- I do I do

At the time I held the hearing I thought

I had the right to hold the hearing based on my

misinterpretation on what I learned at judge

school I knew that I had to grant the motion

just by the fact that I held the hearing

When I came in her~ today I legally

still think I could have held the hearing but

for different reasons because the motion was

legally insufficient based on the case law and

the research that Ive done I didnt think

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courtroom They might not have announced but

they were in the courtroom

JUDGE SILBERMAN Did you invite them to

participate

THE RESPONDENT They were just sitting

at the prosecutors table

JUDGE SILBERMAN -Did you ask them if

they had any questions of the witness

THE RESPONDENT No

JUDGE SILBERMAN You start out the

hearing by asking your wife if she had the

opportunity to read the motion Correct

THE RESPONDENT Correct

JUDGE SILBERMAN Mr Melnick then

objects relating that-youre going to have to

make -- if you go forward with the hearing

youre going to be making determinations as to

credibility Correct

THE RESPONDENT Correct

JUDGE SILBERMAN And in fact you asked

questions of your wife Is that correct

THE RESPONDENT Thats correct

JUDGE SILBERMAN You indicated that you

knew you were supposed to recuse in this

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Well can I just -- I knew once I held

the hearing I was required to recuse

didnt -- and I knew that the whole purpose of

having the hearing again was to flush things

out But once I started the hearing I knew I

had to recuse

JUDGE SILBERMAN Was the motion legally

sufficient to require your recusal

THE RESPONDENT No

JUDGE SILBERMAN Why didnt you deny it

THE RESPONDENT At the time I thought

I thought it was legal~y sufficient at the

time I also thought I hadnt done anything

wrong at the time When I got this complaint

the notice of investigation I read the rule of

judicial administration which I wasnt aware

and I saw that I couldnt have the hearing

And I realized at that point that I made a

mistake But then in preparing for this

hearing I did some research Im more

familiar with disqualification now And now my

opinion is that the motion is not legally

sufficient At the time my opinion was that it

was legally sufficient

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THE RESPONDENT (Moving head up and

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JUDGE SILBERMAN I cant hear you

THE RESPONDENT Yes At the time - shy

JUDGE SILBERMAN So why - shy

THE RESPONDENT At the time I thought it

wasmiddotlegally sufficient

JUDGE SILBER~AN I~ you thought it was

legally sufficientwhy didnt you recuse

yourself on the spot

THE RESPONDENT Because I thought that I

had the right to hold a hearing based on the

disqualification disclosure packet from the

judicial college I didnt know that it was

required ~nder the Rule of Judicial

Administratioh I was looking at -- you know~

again Do not hold a hearing because it

doesnt require a hearing which means its

discretionary And then it says If you do

h~ld a hearing you must assume the facts are

true and that just by holding a hearing that

alone will require you to disqualify yourself

And thats why I held the hearing

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believed it to be legally sufficient

THE RESPONDENT Correct

JUDGE SILBERMAN In which case

I dont understand the purpose of the

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Expressing displeasure with attorney for

bringing motion to disqualify may be considered

intimidation

THE RESPONDENT Right I didn t express

any displeasure

JUDGE SILBERMAN Conducting a hearing on

a matter that you already determined required

yoti to disqualify yourself is not intimidation

THE RESPONDENT It could be And I

tried to be -- you have to understand I tried

to be nice to him during this hearing I

wasnt going after him and making him feel bad

because he was filing the motion I was just

~rying to flush otit the facts And I said that

in the hearing Im just trying to flush

everything out so that everybody knows

Because we were friends before we can still be

friends And thats why I did it

I didnt study -- you have to understand

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JUDGE SILBERMAN On page 13 of the

transcript after theres a dialogue again with

Mr Melnick you then state I dont think I

have to make any kind of ruling as to the

factual dispute Is that correct

THE RESPONDENT Correct

JUDGE SILBERMAN In which case again

there was no legally justifiable purpose for

this hearing Is that correct

THE RESPONDENT Yes Yeah theres no

legalJy justifiable purpose correct It wasmiddot

more a moral thing

JUDGE SILBERMAN I was

THE RESPONDENT It was personal It

wasnt -- but it wasnt personal in a negative

way I wasnt attacking the man I was

friends with the man Its hard to explain

when youre a judge and youre friends with

people and then because of an election that

has nothing to do with you now people are

attacking you

But I realize I had no business holding

that hearing And if it looks like because I

held the hearing that alone is intimidation

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dont know what else

Q Thats fine Ill -- Ill get you back

to where we want to go

A Okay

Q Now it was a little after noon I

believe you said when you arrived in your husbands

courtroom

A Correct

Q Okay And at about 1230 your husband

adjourned and told everyone to come back at 130

Correct

A Correct

Q Okay And then you went to lunch with

him

A Correct

Q All right Just the two of you at lunchZ

A Right

Q All right And your husband asked you to

return to the courtroom with him at 130 Correct

A No He asked me if I was coming back to

the courthouse And I told him that I had hearing

at 130 And he asked me if when I was done if I

would come back into -- come back to his courtroom

A lot of times he would ask me to do that because

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might find interesting or a motion to suppress or

an attorneys arguments are interesting or

whatever -- just for interest So he would let me

know ahead of time And so thats why when he said

you know Will you come back after your hearing I

had agreed I would

Q So during your hour long lunch with your

husband you did not discuss the motion -- the

recusal motion that Mr Melnick had filed in the

Gibbs case

A No

Q No discussion of that whatsoever

A No

Q And you did not -- he did not even tell

you that he was going to -- planning to call you as

a wi tness did he

A No

Q Just came as a total shock to you

A Yes

Q Okay And we do have a transcript I

believe thats in the record here of that and

weve been through that already and I dont need to

belabor that with you All right Now-shy

A Im not sure I understand I just want

to be really clear on everything What do you mean

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the back door because my office would be on the

other side of the back door And when were leaving

the courtroom I just asked her Can you corne back

at 130 She told me she had a hearing with Judge

Gates at 130 and then she said she would corne by

as soon as that hearing with Judge Gates was over

JUDGE MENENDEZ Could I corne back and

ask a question now

THE CHAIR Okay with you

JUDGE WARREN Yeah Go ahead

EXAMINATION

BY JUDGE MENENDEZ

Q Did you have any discussions with your

wife over the fact that this lawyer Mr Melnick

was filing all these motions when he was alleging

that she had threatened him during a phone call

A If I did it would have been -shy

Q At anytime

A a year and a half earlier when he

fir s t f i led it

Q Okay And did that concern her at all

as far as expressing any concern to you about it

A This was a very minor instance Like my

wife said this was like middota meaningless event She

had run two campaigns where theres serious issues

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with serious candidates violating rules that really

needed attention This was -- she called Melnick

up she said You cant have re-elect You

cant ~- you need to say retain He changed it

and that was it I mean Melnick corrected it right

away My wife called him right away and said you

know Youre violating the rules It was

corrected and that was the end of it

Q There was apparently a disagreement at

the hearing between Mr Melnick and your wife where

I thought that her initial testimony at the hearing

before you was that she had called him because there

was a disclaimer missing from some advertisement for

Judge Dijols and then Mr Melnick contradicted her

on that and said No it didnt deal with the

disclaimer It dealt with the re-elect versus

retain

A Exactly The disclaimer on ~very

political advertisement says This ad has been

approved by the candidate This shows that my wife

and I didnt discuss it Because my wife didnt

ev~n get the issue right If I had discussed this

with my wife she would have known what the issue

was and she would have been correct ~n her

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Q So you credited Mr Melnicks credibility

rather than hers

A Melnick was right Hey look you

know

Q All right

A But if my wife and I talked about it she

would have gotten it right she came to court and

she had no idea and

Q Well she had some idea didnt she that

you were going

A She knew she was coming to a hearing

Q About the motions to recuse

A About Melnick

Q And his motions to recuse

A Yes

Q Okay You did tell her that ahead of

time In fact Mr Schneider phrased it says We

got another one of those Would you mind coming and

testifying And you said That was probably

exactly what was said

A Well I -- I didnt remember

QPage 62

A I asked her can you -- can you come

back I dont know that my wife knew that Melnick

had filed -- theres no way she didnt know

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theres no way she knew because I dont discuss

these things with her I just sign them and go on

I dont give my wife a recount of everything I do

every day

Q I thought a minute ago you said you had

some discussions with her -shy

A Maybe when he first filed it a year and a

half earlier but since then I never

Q Well she was aware that he had accused

her of threatening him in at least one motion to

recuse

A Yeah

Q Okay

A Yeah Yeah

Q And that - - the way Mr Schneider phrased

it he said Was there communication to the fact

that quote unquote weve got another one of

those Would you mind coming to testify

A Well those arent my words Those are

Mr Schneiders

Q They are but you said that was probably

exactly what was said

A The substance You know its -- I -- I

dont know

Q Seems like you adopted his words there

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A Those arent my words I mean I dont

use those words But I said Can you come back

You know Im doing a hearing on Melnicks motion to

recuse

Q But you did ask her to come to court and

she did know that she was coming to court to talk

about the motion

A I dont think she knew that she was going

to be testifying but she knew she was coming to

court and it was on Melnicks motion

JUDGE WARREN Nothing r

EXAMINATION

BY MR DUNKINSON

Q I want to continue with that before I ask

my other questions I apologize because Im the

layperson here so I have a lot of -shy

THE CHAIR Mr Catalano has pointed that

out

Q I want to make sure I understand this

because I just -- Im very confused about the

conversation with you and your wife and what the

judges have asked Page 61 this is your quote not

Schneiders I probably told her -- I may have

told her that you know Steves filed a motion to

recuse based on that conversation What L

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conversation are we talking about Is that not the

phone conversation that were talking about

A Right That would have been the phone

conversation

Q So at that point which is at your lunch

or before your lunch your wife knew what you were

going to be asking her to do Because you then

say -- or Mr Schneider says on 62 There was a

communication of the fact that quote Weve got

another one of these Would you mind coming to

testify And you again said That was probably

exactly what was saiq

A I didnt remember specifically what I had

told her I mean if you look at Line 17 on 61 I

say I probably told her and then I say I may have

told her I didnt remember exactly what I told

her I just know that I told her I was doing a

motion to recuse at 130 and if she could come back

and specifically I didnt remember

Q All right So those statements you -shy

are you now saying that those statements are not

correct Is that what youre saying

A No Im saying -shy

Q Are you retracting those

A -- I may have told her I probably -- I

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dont remember specifically Certainly today I

dont remember specifically what I told her a year

and a half ago

Q I understand

A But when this happened when I gave this

statement and I think it was November -- yeah

November I wasnt a hundred percent what I told

her August 6th

Q All right Well the only point is you

know in her testimony yesterday as well as yours

both of you denied that you had any conversation

about it

A No I asked her to come back at 130

Q She claimed she knew nothing about what

it was about

A She didnt know I was going to be calling

her as

Q Implied that she did

A -- a witness

THE CHAIR Lets each of you finish

talking and the other can answer

Q All right Question the motion to

recuse again I dont know this but I have a

limited understanding -- can it not be the lawyer

that has an issue with you in addition to the

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I didnt study this disquaiification and

disclosure I justwent by what I learned at

judicial college two years earlier You know

I -- its impossible to know everything they

teach you at judicial college They give you

2000 pages worth of material for Session A

they give you 2000 pages of material for

Session B and were going to make mistakes

THE CHAIR I hate to interrupt When

did you go to judicial college

THE RE$PONDENT I went March I guess

2007 and -shy

THE CHAIR Did you just put these in a

closet and not read them

I mean I dont want to hear 2000

pages

Im sorry Judge

JUDGE SILBERMAN As ~e sit heremiddot today

do you agree that you violated Canons 3 3 (b)

the provisions that we went through

THE RESPONDENT Ye~

JUDGE SILBERMAN Canon 2(a) A Judge

sha-lmiddotl relJpect and aomply wi-th the Lawmiddot and sha]l

public conpoundidence and the integrity and ~

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JUDGE SILBERMAN Do you believe t~a t

yqur conduct is in violation of Canon 2(a)

THE RESPONDENT yemiddots bull

don t believe was on the nmiddototice of

investigation but I do think it s pertinent i

UA judge smiddothall not allow f amily smiddotocial

pcgtlitical or other relationshipmiddotsmiddot to influente

t~e judges judicial conduct or judgmenmiddott II

Do you think that someone cmiddotould look at

Y9u r conduct and say 11 Sounds like there s a

pzolgtlem with 2 (b) as wellmiddot II

THE RESPONDENT You know I just -- Im

going to say yes I just -- you know I made

it very careful that I would not -- I didnt

comment on my wifes testimony I didnt say

liMy wife is right and youre wrong I believe

my wife II I just -- I didnt go anywhere near

there I just backed off and said IIIm not

making any rulings Your motions granted

I just tried to clear this matter up We

were friends before And thats what I did

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JUDGE FREEMAN So they were not trying

to participate Right

THE RESPONDENT No No they werent

trying to participate

JUDGE FREEMAN Had the State Attorneys

Office ever request that you have that hearing

THE RESPONDENT No

JUDGE FREEMAN Had the State Attorneys

Office ever objected to the motion to recuse

THE RESPONDENT No

JUDGE FREEMAN Thank you

THE CHAIR Mr Morales

MR MORALES Your Honor one thing

Obviously whats legally sufficient for a

layperson I dont -- Ill leave that to the

judges and the lawyers but the fact that you

happened to go t~lunch with your wife that day

and you said Oh why dont you come on by

Were going to have this little hearing do

you think thats appropriate

THE RESPONDENT I didnt I dont -shy

its not -- the whole thing is not appropriate

The fact that I had the hearing I know is not

appropriate Probably not

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Hey Im going to have a hearing after lunch

Why dont you come by and testify

THE RESPONDENT No

MR MORALES Okay You thought you

should have had this hearing

THE RESPONDENT At the time yes now

no But-shy

MR MORALES Youre going to take a

li~t~e time the next time and think about what

youre doing

THE RESPONDENT It wasnt my intent -shy

you have to understand it wasnt my intent I

wouldnt have called the guy like a couple of

days later and said Im sorry I told him

the whole thing blew up My intent was just to

repair a friendship I just

MR MORALES Repairing your f~iendship

seems to work a lot better when youre sitti~g

down talking to somebody over a cold beer or -shy

either that or just sitting in your chambers

Hey lets talk about this

THE RESPONDENT I know But if it goes

bad then theyre saying youre berating them

in chambers I just should have let it go and

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JUDGE SILVERNAIL Well is that the only

reason you think it was inappropriate

THE RESPONDENT I do think his motion

was legally insufficient and I should have

just denied it as legally insufficient and

closed the book on that case

JUDGE SILVERNAIL Okay That answers my

questions Thank you

THE RESPONDENT Okay Thank you

THE CHAIR Anybody anything else

Judge do you want to close wrap up

THE RESPONDENT No I -- I do I do

At the time I held the hearing I thought

I had the right to hold the hearing based on my

misinterpretation on what I learned at judge

school I knew that I had to grant the motion

just by the fact that I held the hearing

When I came in her~ today I legally

still think I could have held the hearing but

for different reasons because the motion was

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Well can I just -- I knew once I held

the hearing I was required to recuse

didnt -- and I knew that the whole purpose of

having the hearing again was to flush things

out But once I started the hearing I knew I

had to recuse

JUDGE SILBERMAN Was the motion legally

sufficient to require your recusal

THE RESPONDENT No

JUDGE SILBERMAN Why didnt you deny it

THE RESPONDENT At the time I thought

I thought it was legal~y sufficient at the

time I also thought I hadnt done anything

wrong at the time When I got this complaint

the notice of investigation I read the rule of

judicial administration which I wasnt aware

and I saw that I couldnt have the hearing

And I realized at that point that I made a

mistake But then in preparing for this

hearing I did some research Im more

familiar with disqualification now And now my

opinion is that the motion is not legally

sufficient At the time my opinion was that it

was legally sufficient

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THE RESPONDENT (Moving head up and

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JUDGE SILBERMAN I cant hear you

THE RESPONDENT Yes At the time - shy

JUDGE SILBERMAN So why - shy

THE RESPONDENT At the time I thought it

wasmiddotlegally sufficient

JUDGE SILBER~AN I~ you thought it was

legally sufficientwhy didnt you recuse

yourself on the spot

THE RESPONDENT Because I thought that I

had the right to hold a hearing based on the

disqualification disclosure packet from the

judicial college I didnt know that it was

required ~nder the Rule of Judicial

Administratioh I was looking at -- you know~

again Do not hold a hearing because it

doesnt require a hearing which means its

discretionary And then it says If you do

h~ld a hearing you must assume the facts are

true and that just by holding a hearing that

alone will require you to disqualify yourself

And thats why I held the hearing

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believed it to be legally sufficient

THE RESPONDENT Correct

JUDGE SILBERMAN In which case

I dont understand the purpose of the

hearing other than look at page seven 4(a)

Expressing displeasure with attorney for

bringing motion to disqualify may be considered

intimidation

THE RESPONDENT Right I didn t express

any displeasure

JUDGE SILBERMAN Conducting a hearing on

a matter that you already determined required

yoti to disqualify yourself is not intimidation

THE RESPONDENT It could be And I

tried to be -- you have to understand I tried

to be nice to him during this hearing I

wasnt going after him and making him feel bad

because he was filing the motion I was just

~rying to flush otit the facts And I said that

in the hearing Im just trying to flush

everything out so that everybody knows

Because we were friends before we can still be

friends And thats why I did it

I didnt study -- you have to understand

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JUDGE SILBERMAN On page 13 of the

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Mr Melnick you then state I dont think I

have to make any kind of ruling as to the

factual dispute Is that correct

THE RESPONDENT Correct

JUDGE SILBERMAN In which case again

there was no legally justifiable purpose for

this hearing Is that correct

THE RESPONDENT Yes Yeah theres no

legalJy justifiable purpose correct It wasmiddot

more a moral thing

JUDGE SILBERMAN I was

THE RESPONDENT It was personal It

wasnt -- but it wasnt personal in a negative

way I wasnt attacking the man I was

friends with the man Its hard to explain

when youre a judge and youre friends with

people and then because of an election that

has nothing to do with you now people are

attacking you

But I realize I had no business holding

that hearing And if it looks like because I

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dont know what else

Q Thats fine Ill -- Ill get you back

to where we want to go

A Okay

Q Now it was a little after noon I

believe you said when you arrived in your husbands

courtroom

A Correct

Q Okay And at about 1230 your husband

adjourned and told everyone to come back at 130

Correct

A Correct

Q Okay And then you went to lunch with

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Q All right Just the two of you at lunchZ

A Right

Q All right And your husband asked you to

return to the courtroom with him at 130 Correct

A No He asked me if I was coming back to

the courthouse And I told him that I had hearing

at 130 And he asked me if when I was done if I

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might find interesting or a motion to suppress or

an attorneys arguments are interesting or

whatever -- just for interest So he would let me

know ahead of time And so thats why when he said

you know Will you come back after your hearing I

had agreed I would

Q So during your hour long lunch with your

husband you did not discuss the motion -- the

recusal motion that Mr Melnick had filed in the

Gibbs case

A No

Q No discussion of that whatsoever

A No

Q And you did not -- he did not even tell

you that he was going to -- planning to call you as

a wi tness did he

A No

Q Just came as a total shock to you

A Yes

Q Okay And we do have a transcript I

believe thats in the record here of that and

weve been through that already and I dont need to

belabor that with you All right Now-shy

A Im not sure I understand I just want

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the back door because my office would be on the

other side of the back door And when were leaving

the courtroom I just asked her Can you corne back

at 130 She told me she had a hearing with Judge

Gates at 130 and then she said she would corne by

as soon as that hearing with Judge Gates was over

JUDGE MENENDEZ Could I corne back and

ask a question now

THE CHAIR Okay with you

JUDGE WARREN Yeah Go ahead

EXAMINATION

BY JUDGE MENENDEZ

Q Did you have any discussions with your

wife over the fact that this lawyer Mr Melnick

was filing all these motions when he was alleging

that she had threatened him during a phone call

A If I did it would have been -shy

Q At anytime

A a year and a half earlier when he

fir s t f i led it

Q Okay And did that concern her at all

as far as expressing any concern to you about it

A This was a very minor instance Like my

wife said this was like middota meaningless event She

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with serious candidates violating rules that really

needed attention This was -- she called Melnick

up she said You cant have re-elect You

cant ~- you need to say retain He changed it

and that was it I mean Melnick corrected it right

away My wife called him right away and said you

know Youre violating the rules It was

corrected and that was the end of it

Q There was apparently a disagreement at

the hearing between Mr Melnick and your wife where

I thought that her initial testimony at the hearing

before you was that she had called him because there

was a disclaimer missing from some advertisement for

Judge Dijols and then Mr Melnick contradicted her

on that and said No it didnt deal with the

disclaimer It dealt with the re-elect versus

retain

A Exactly The disclaimer on ~very

political advertisement says This ad has been

approved by the candidate This shows that my wife

and I didnt discuss it Because my wife didnt

ev~n get the issue right If I had discussed this

with my wife she would have known what the issue

was and she would have been correct ~n her

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Q So you credited Mr Melnicks credibility

rather than hers

A Melnick was right Hey look you

know

Q All right

A But if my wife and I talked about it she

would have gotten it right she came to court and

she had no idea and

Q Well she had some idea didnt she that

you were going

A She knew she was coming to a hearing

Q About the motions to recuse

A About Melnick

Q And his motions to recuse

A Yes

Q Okay You did tell her that ahead of

time In fact Mr Schneider phrased it says We

got another one of those Would you mind coming and

testifying And you said That was probably

exactly what was said

A Well I -- I didnt remember

QPage 62

A I asked her can you -- can you come

back I dont know that my wife knew that Melnick

had filed -- theres no way she didnt know

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theres no way she knew because I dont discuss

these things with her I just sign them and go on

I dont give my wife a recount of everything I do

every day

Q I thought a minute ago you said you had

some discussions with her -shy

A Maybe when he first filed it a year and a

half earlier but since then I never

Q Well she was aware that he had accused

her of threatening him in at least one motion to

recuse

A Yeah

Q Okay

A Yeah Yeah

Q And that - - the way Mr Schneider phrased

it he said Was there communication to the fact

that quote unquote weve got another one of

those Would you mind coming to testify

A Well those arent my words Those are

Mr Schneiders

Q They are but you said that was probably

exactly what was said

A The substance You know its -- I -- I

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A Those arent my words I mean I dont

use those words But I said Can you come back

You know Im doing a hearing on Melnicks motion to

recuse

Q But you did ask her to come to court and

she did know that she was coming to court to talk

about the motion

A I dont think she knew that she was going

to be testifying but she knew she was coming to

court and it was on Melnicks motion

JUDGE WARREN Nothing r

EXAMINATION

BY MR DUNKINSON

Q I want to continue with that before I ask

my other questions I apologize because Im the

layperson here so I have a lot of -shy

THE CHAIR Mr Catalano has pointed that

out

Q I want to make sure I understand this

because I just -- Im very confused about the

conversation with you and your wife and what the

judges have asked Page 61 this is your quote not

Schneiders I probably told her -- I may have

told her that you know Steves filed a motion to

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conversation are we talking about Is that not the

phone conversation that were talking about

A Right That would have been the phone

conversation

Q So at that point which is at your lunch

or before your lunch your wife knew what you were

going to be asking her to do Because you then

say -- or Mr Schneider says on 62 There was a

communication of the fact that quote Weve got

another one of these Would you mind coming to

testify And you again said That was probably

exactly what was saiq

A I didnt remember specifically what I had

told her I mean if you look at Line 17 on 61 I

say I probably told her and then I say I may have

told her I didnt remember exactly what I told

her I just know that I told her I was doing a

motion to recuse at 130 and if she could come back

and specifically I didnt remember

Q All right So those statements you -shy

are you now saying that those statements are not

correct Is that what youre saying

A No Im saying -shy

Q Are you retracting those

A -- I may have told her I probably -- I

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dont remember specifically Certainly today I

dont remember specifically what I told her a year

and a half ago

Q I understand

A But when this happened when I gave this

statement and I think it was November -- yeah

November I wasnt a hundred percent what I told

her August 6th

Q All right Well the only point is you

know in her testimony yesterday as well as yours

both of you denied that you had any conversation

about it

A No I asked her to come back at 130

Q She claimed she knew nothing about what

it was about

A She didnt know I was going to be calling

her as

Q Implied that she did

A -- a witness

THE CHAIR Lets each of you finish

talking and the other can answer

Q All right Question the motion to

recuse again I dont know this but I have a

limited understanding -- can it not be the lawyer

that has an issue with you in addition to the

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I didnt study this disquaiification and

disclosure I justwent by what I learned at

judicial college two years earlier You know

I -- its impossible to know everything they

teach you at judicial college They give you

2000 pages worth of material for Session A

they give you 2000 pages of material for

Session B and were going to make mistakes

THE CHAIR I hate to interrupt When

did you go to judicial college

THE RE$PONDENT I went March I guess

2007 and -shy

THE CHAIR Did you just put these in a

closet and not read them

I mean I dont want to hear 2000

pages

Im sorry Judge

JUDGE SILBERMAN As ~e sit heremiddot today

do you agree that you violated Canons 3 3 (b)

the provisions that we went through

THE RESPONDENT Ye~

JUDGE SILBERMAN Canon 2(a) A Judge

sha-lmiddotl relJpect and aomply wi-th the Lawmiddot and sha]l

public conpoundidence and the integrity and ~

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JUDGE SILBERMAN Do you believe t~a t

yqur conduct is in violation of Canon 2(a)

THE RESPONDENT yemiddots bull

don t believe was on the nmiddototice of

investigation but I do think it s pertinent i

UA judge smiddothall not allow f amily smiddotocial

pcgtlitical or other relationshipmiddotsmiddot to influente

t~e judges judicial conduct or judgmenmiddott II

Do you think that someone cmiddotould look at

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pzolgtlem with 2 (b) as wellmiddot II

THE RESPONDENT You know I just -- Im

going to say yes I just -- you know I made

it very careful that I would not -- I didnt

comment on my wifes testimony I didnt say

liMy wife is right and youre wrong I believe

my wife II I just -- I didnt go anywhere near

there I just backed off and said IIIm not

making any rulings Your motions granted

I just tried to clear this matter up We

were friends before And thats what I did

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JUDGE FREEMAN So they were not trying

to participate Right

THE RESPONDENT No No they werent

trying to participate

JUDGE FREEMAN Had the State Attorneys

Office ever request that you have that hearing

THE RESPONDENT No

JUDGE FREEMAN Had the State Attorneys

Office ever objected to the motion to recuse

THE RESPONDENT No

JUDGE FREEMAN Thank you

THE CHAIR Mr Morales

MR MORALES Your Honor one thing

Obviously whats legally sufficient for a

layperson I dont -- Ill leave that to the

judges and the lawyers but the fact that you

happened to go t~lunch with your wife that day

and you said Oh why dont you come on by

Were going to have this little hearing do

you think thats appropriate

THE RESPONDENT I didnt I dont -shy

its not -- the whole thing is not appropriate

The fact that I had the hearing I know is not

appropriate Probably not

MR MORALES Have you ever heard of

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amiddotnother judge seeing someone at lunch and say

Hey Im going to have a hearing after lunch

Why dont you come by and testify

THE RESPONDENT No

MR MORALES Okay You thought you

should have had this hearing

THE RESPONDENT At the time yes now

no But-shy

MR MORALES Youre going to take a

li~t~e time the next time and think about what

youre doing

THE RESPONDENT It wasnt my intent -shy

you have to understand it wasnt my intent I

wouldnt have called the guy like a couple of

days later and said Im sorry I told him

the whole thing blew up My intent was just to

repair a friendship I just

MR MORALES Repairing your f~iendship

seems to work a lot better when youre sitti~g

down talking to somebody over a cold beer or -shy

either that or just sitting in your chambers

Hey lets talk about this

THE RESPONDENT I know But if it goes

bad then theyre saying youre berating them

in chambers I just should have let it go and

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JUDGE SILVERNAIL Well is that the only

reason you think it was inappropriate

THE RESPONDENT I do think his motion

was legally insufficient and I should have

just denied it as legally insufficient and

closed the book on that case

JUDGE SILVERNAIL Okay That answers my

questions Thank you

THE RESPONDENT Okay Thank you

THE CHAIR Anybody anything else

Judge do you want to close wrap up

THE RESPONDENT No I -- I do I do

At the time I held the hearing I thought

I had the right to hold the hearing based on my

misinterpretation on what I learned at judge

school I knew that I had to grant the motion

just by the fact that I held the hearing

When I came in her~ today I legally

still think I could have held the hearing but

for different reasons because the motion was

legally insufficient based on the case law and

the research that Ive done I didnt think

about the questions that you all have posed me

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concluded it was legally sufficient

THE RESPONDENT (Moving head up and

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JUDGE SILBERMAN I cant hear you

THE RESPONDENT Yes At the time - shy

JUDGE SILBERMAN So why - shy

THE RESPONDENT At the time I thought it

wasmiddotlegally sufficient

JUDGE SILBER~AN I~ you thought it was

legally sufficientwhy didnt you recuse

yourself on the spot

THE RESPONDENT Because I thought that I

had the right to hold a hearing based on the

disqualification disclosure packet from the

judicial college I didnt know that it was

required ~nder the Rule of Judicial

Administratioh I was looking at -- you know~

again Do not hold a hearing because it

doesnt require a hearing which means its

discretionary And then it says If you do

h~ld a hearing you must assume the facts are

true and that just by holding a hearing that

alone will require you to disqualify yourself

And thats why I held the hearing

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believed it to be legally sufficient

THE RESPONDENT Correct

JUDGE SILBERMAN In which case

I dont understand the purpose of the

hearing other than look at page seven 4(a)

Expressing displeasure with attorney for

bringing motion to disqualify may be considered

intimidation

THE RESPONDENT Right I didn t express

any displeasure

JUDGE SILBERMAN Conducting a hearing on

a matter that you already determined required

yoti to disqualify yourself is not intimidation

THE RESPONDENT It could be And I

tried to be -- you have to understand I tried

to be nice to him during this hearing I

wasnt going after him and making him feel bad

because he was filing the motion I was just

~rying to flush otit the facts And I said that

in the hearing Im just trying to flush

everything out so that everybody knows

Because we were friends before we can still be

friends And thats why I did it

I didnt study -- you have to understand

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transcript after theres a dialogue again with

Mr Melnick you then state I dont think I

have to make any kind of ruling as to the

factual dispute Is that correct

THE RESPONDENT Correct

JUDGE SILBERMAN In which case again

there was no legally justifiable purpose for

this hearing Is that correct

THE RESPONDENT Yes Yeah theres no

legalJy justifiable purpose correct It wasmiddot

more a moral thing

JUDGE SILBERMAN I was

THE RESPONDENT It was personal It

wasnt -- but it wasnt personal in a negative

way I wasnt attacking the man I was

friends with the man Its hard to explain

when youre a judge and youre friends with

people and then because of an election that

has nothing to do with you now people are

attacking you

But I realize I had no business holding

that hearing And if it looks like because I

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dont know what else

Q Thats fine Ill -- Ill get you back

to where we want to go

A Okay

Q Now it was a little after noon I

believe you said when you arrived in your husbands

courtroom

A Correct

Q Okay And at about 1230 your husband

adjourned and told everyone to come back at 130

Correct

A Correct

Q Okay And then you went to lunch with

him

A Correct

Q All right Just the two of you at lunchZ

A Right

Q All right And your husband asked you to

return to the courtroom with him at 130 Correct

A No He asked me if I was coming back to

the courthouse And I told him that I had hearing

at 130 And he asked me if when I was done if I

would come back into -- come back to his courtroom

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might find interesting or a motion to suppress or

an attorneys arguments are interesting or

whatever -- just for interest So he would let me

know ahead of time And so thats why when he said

you know Will you come back after your hearing I

had agreed I would

Q So during your hour long lunch with your

husband you did not discuss the motion -- the

recusal motion that Mr Melnick had filed in the

Gibbs case

A No

Q No discussion of that whatsoever

A No

Q And you did not -- he did not even tell

you that he was going to -- planning to call you as

a wi tness did he

A No

Q Just came as a total shock to you

A Yes

Q Okay And we do have a transcript I

believe thats in the record here of that and

weve been through that already and I dont need to

belabor that with you All right Now-shy

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the back door because my office would be on the

other side of the back door And when were leaving

the courtroom I just asked her Can you corne back

at 130 She told me she had a hearing with Judge

Gates at 130 and then she said she would corne by

as soon as that hearing with Judge Gates was over

JUDGE MENENDEZ Could I corne back and

ask a question now

THE CHAIR Okay with you

JUDGE WARREN Yeah Go ahead

EXAMINATION

BY JUDGE MENENDEZ

Q Did you have any discussions with your

wife over the fact that this lawyer Mr Melnick

was filing all these motions when he was alleging

that she had threatened him during a phone call

A If I did it would have been -shy

Q At anytime

A a year and a half earlier when he

fir s t f i led it

Q Okay And did that concern her at all

as far as expressing any concern to you about it

A This was a very minor instance Like my

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with serious candidates violating rules that really

needed attention This was -- she called Melnick

up she said You cant have re-elect You

cant ~- you need to say retain He changed it

and that was it I mean Melnick corrected it right

away My wife called him right away and said you

know Youre violating the rules It was

corrected and that was the end of it

Q There was apparently a disagreement at

the hearing between Mr Melnick and your wife where

I thought that her initial testimony at the hearing

before you was that she had called him because there

was a disclaimer missing from some advertisement for

Judge Dijols and then Mr Melnick contradicted her

on that and said No it didnt deal with the

disclaimer It dealt with the re-elect versus

retain

A Exactly The disclaimer on ~very

political advertisement says This ad has been

approved by the candidate This shows that my wife

and I didnt discuss it Because my wife didnt

ev~n get the issue right If I had discussed this

with my wife she would have known what the issue

was and she would have been correct ~n her

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Q So you credited Mr Melnicks credibility

rather than hers

A Melnick was right Hey look you

know

Q All right

A But if my wife and I talked about it she

would have gotten it right she came to court and

she had no idea and

Q Well she had some idea didnt she that

you were going

A She knew she was coming to a hearing

Q About the motions to recuse

A About Melnick

Q And his motions to recuse

A Yes

Q Okay You did tell her that ahead of

time In fact Mr Schneider phrased it says We

got another one of those Would you mind coming and

testifying And you said That was probably

exactly what was said

A Well I -- I didnt remember

QPage 62

A I asked her can you -- can you come

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had filed -- theres no way she didnt know

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theres no way she knew because I dont discuss

these things with her I just sign them and go on

I dont give my wife a recount of everything I do

every day

Q I thought a minute ago you said you had

some discussions with her -shy

A Maybe when he first filed it a year and a

half earlier but since then I never

Q Well she was aware that he had accused

her of threatening him in at least one motion to

recuse

A Yeah

Q Okay

A Yeah Yeah

Q And that - - the way Mr Schneider phrased

it he said Was there communication to the fact

that quote unquote weve got another one of

those Would you mind coming to testify

A Well those arent my words Those are

Mr Schneiders

Q They are but you said that was probably

exactly what was said

A The substance You know its -- I -- I

dont know

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A Those arent my words I mean I dont

use those words But I said Can you come back

You know Im doing a hearing on Melnicks motion to

recuse

Q But you did ask her to come to court and

she did know that she was coming to court to talk

about the motion

A I dont think she knew that she was going

to be testifying but she knew she was coming to

court and it was on Melnicks motion

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EXAMINATION

BY MR DUNKINSON

Q I want to continue with that before I ask

my other questions I apologize because Im the

layperson here so I have a lot of -shy

THE CHAIR Mr Catalano has pointed that

out

Q I want to make sure I understand this

because I just -- Im very confused about the

conversation with you and your wife and what the

judges have asked Page 61 this is your quote not

Schneiders I probably told her -- I may have

told her that you know Steves filed a motion to

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conversation are we talking about Is that not the

phone conversation that were talking about

A Right That would have been the phone

conversation

Q So at that point which is at your lunch

or before your lunch your wife knew what you were

going to be asking her to do Because you then

say -- or Mr Schneider says on 62 There was a

communication of the fact that quote Weve got

another one of these Would you mind coming to

testify And you again said That was probably

exactly what was saiq

A I didnt remember specifically what I had

told her I mean if you look at Line 17 on 61 I

say I probably told her and then I say I may have

told her I didnt remember exactly what I told

her I just know that I told her I was doing a

motion to recuse at 130 and if she could come back

and specifically I didnt remember

Q All right So those statements you -shy

are you now saying that those statements are not

correct Is that what youre saying

A No Im saying -shy

Q Are you retracting those

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dont remember specifically Certainly today I

dont remember specifically what I told her a year

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Q I understand

A But when this happened when I gave this

statement and I think it was November -- yeah

November I wasnt a hundred percent what I told

her August 6th

Q All right Well the only point is you

know in her testimony yesterday as well as yours

both of you denied that you had any conversation

about it

A No I asked her to come back at 130

Q She claimed she knew nothing about what

it was about

A She didnt know I was going to be calling

her as

Q Implied that she did

A -- a witness

THE CHAIR Lets each of you finish

talking and the other can answer

Q All right Question the motion to

recuse again I dont know this but I have a

limited understanding -- can it not be the lawyer

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I didnt study this disquaiification and

disclosure I justwent by what I learned at

judicial college two years earlier You know

I -- its impossible to know everything they

teach you at judicial college They give you

2000 pages worth of material for Session A

they give you 2000 pages of material for

Session B and were going to make mistakes

THE CHAIR I hate to interrupt When

did you go to judicial college

THE RE$PONDENT I went March I guess

2007 and -shy

THE CHAIR Did you just put these in a

closet and not read them

I mean I dont want to hear 2000

pages

Im sorry Judge

JUDGE SILBERMAN As ~e sit heremiddot today

do you agree that you violated Canons 3 3 (b)

the provisions that we went through

THE RESPONDENT Ye~

JUDGE SILBERMAN Canon 2(a) A Judge

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JUDGE SILBERMAN Do you believe t~a t

yqur conduct is in violation of Canon 2(a)

THE RESPONDENT yemiddots bull

don t believe was on the nmiddototice of

investigation but I do think it s pertinent i

UA judge smiddothall not allow f amily smiddotocial

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Do you think that someone cmiddotould look at

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pzolgtlem with 2 (b) as wellmiddot II

THE RESPONDENT You know I just -- Im

going to say yes I just -- you know I made

it very careful that I would not -- I didnt

comment on my wifes testimony I didnt say

liMy wife is right and youre wrong I believe

my wife II I just -- I didnt go anywhere near

there I just backed off and said IIIm not

making any rulings Your motions granted

I just tried to clear this matter up We

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JUDGE FREEMAN So they were not trying

to participate Right

THE RESPONDENT No No they werent

trying to participate

JUDGE FREEMAN Had the State Attorneys

Office ever request that you have that hearing

THE RESPONDENT No

JUDGE FREEMAN Had the State Attorneys

Office ever objected to the motion to recuse

THE RESPONDENT No

JUDGE FREEMAN Thank you

THE CHAIR Mr Morales

MR MORALES Your Honor one thing

Obviously whats legally sufficient for a

layperson I dont -- Ill leave that to the

judges and the lawyers but the fact that you

happened to go t~lunch with your wife that day

and you said Oh why dont you come on by

Were going to have this little hearing do

you think thats appropriate

THE RESPONDENT I didnt I dont -shy

its not -- the whole thing is not appropriate

The fact that I had the hearing I know is not

appropriate Probably not

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Hey Im going to have a hearing after lunch

Why dont you come by and testify

THE RESPONDENT No

MR MORALES Okay You thought you

should have had this hearing

THE RESPONDENT At the time yes now

no But-shy

MR MORALES Youre going to take a

li~t~e time the next time and think about what

youre doing

THE RESPONDENT It wasnt my intent -shy

you have to understand it wasnt my intent I

wouldnt have called the guy like a couple of

days later and said Im sorry I told him

the whole thing blew up My intent was just to

repair a friendship I just

MR MORALES Repairing your f~iendship

seems to work a lot better when youre sitti~g

down talking to somebody over a cold beer or -shy

either that or just sitting in your chambers

Hey lets talk about this

THE RESPONDENT I know But if it goes

bad then theyre saying youre berating them

in chambers I just should have let it go and

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JUDGE SILVERNAIL Well is that the only

reason you think it was inappropriate

THE RESPONDENT I do think his motion

was legally insufficient and I should have

just denied it as legally insufficient and

closed the book on that case

JUDGE SILVERNAIL Okay That answers my

questions Thank you

THE RESPONDENT Okay Thank you

THE CHAIR Anybody anything else

Judge do you want to close wrap up

THE RESPONDENT No I -- I do I do

At the time I held the hearing I thought

I had the right to hold the hearing based on my

misinterpretation on what I learned at judge

school I knew that I had to grant the motion

just by the fact that I held the hearing

When I came in her~ today I legally

still think I could have held the hearing but

for different reasons because the motion was

legally insufficient based on the case law and

the research that Ive done I didnt think

about the questions that you all have posed me

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JUDGE SILBERMAN Well you said you

believed it to be legally sufficient

THE RESPONDENT Correct

JUDGE SILBERMAN In which case

I dont understand the purpose of the

hearing other than look at page seven 4(a)

Expressing displeasure with attorney for

bringing motion to disqualify may be considered

intimidation

THE RESPONDENT Right I didn t express

any displeasure

JUDGE SILBERMAN Conducting a hearing on

a matter that you already determined required

yoti to disqualify yourself is not intimidation

THE RESPONDENT It could be And I

tried to be -- you have to understand I tried

to be nice to him during this hearing I

wasnt going after him and making him feel bad

because he was filing the motion I was just

~rying to flush otit the facts And I said that

in the hearing Im just trying to flush

everything out so that everybody knows

Because we were friends before we can still be

friends And thats why I did it

I didnt study -- you have to understand

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JUDGE SILBERMAN On page 13 of the

transcript after theres a dialogue again with

Mr Melnick you then state I dont think I

have to make any kind of ruling as to the

factual dispute Is that correct

THE RESPONDENT Correct

JUDGE SILBERMAN In which case again

there was no legally justifiable purpose for

this hearing Is that correct

THE RESPONDENT Yes Yeah theres no

legalJy justifiable purpose correct It wasmiddot

more a moral thing

JUDGE SILBERMAN I was

THE RESPONDENT It was personal It

wasnt -- but it wasnt personal in a negative

way I wasnt attacking the man I was

friends with the man Its hard to explain

when youre a judge and youre friends with

people and then because of an election that

has nothing to do with you now people are

attacking you

But I realize I had no business holding

that hearing And if it looks like because I

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dont know what else

Q Thats fine Ill -- Ill get you back

to where we want to go

A Okay

Q Now it was a little after noon I

believe you said when you arrived in your husbands

courtroom

A Correct

Q Okay And at about 1230 your husband

adjourned and told everyone to come back at 130

Correct

A Correct

Q Okay And then you went to lunch with

him

A Correct

Q All right Just the two of you at lunchZ

A Right

Q All right And your husband asked you to

return to the courtroom with him at 130 Correct

A No He asked me if I was coming back to

the courthouse And I told him that I had hearing

at 130 And he asked me if when I was done if I

would come back into -- come back to his courtroom

A lot of times he would ask me to do that because

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might find interesting or a motion to suppress or

an attorneys arguments are interesting or

whatever -- just for interest So he would let me

know ahead of time And so thats why when he said

you know Will you come back after your hearing I

had agreed I would

Q So during your hour long lunch with your

husband you did not discuss the motion -- the

recusal motion that Mr Melnick had filed in the

Gibbs case

A No

Q No discussion of that whatsoever

A No

Q And you did not -- he did not even tell

you that he was going to -- planning to call you as

a wi tness did he

A No

Q Just came as a total shock to you

A Yes

Q Okay And we do have a transcript I

believe thats in the record here of that and

weve been through that already and I dont need to

belabor that with you All right Now-shy

A Im not sure I understand I just want

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the back door because my office would be on the

other side of the back door And when were leaving

the courtroom I just asked her Can you corne back

at 130 She told me she had a hearing with Judge

Gates at 130 and then she said she would corne by

as soon as that hearing with Judge Gates was over

JUDGE MENENDEZ Could I corne back and

ask a question now

THE CHAIR Okay with you

JUDGE WARREN Yeah Go ahead

EXAMINATION

BY JUDGE MENENDEZ

Q Did you have any discussions with your

wife over the fact that this lawyer Mr Melnick

was filing all these motions when he was alleging

that she had threatened him during a phone call

A If I did it would have been -shy

Q At anytime

A a year and a half earlier when he

fir s t f i led it

Q Okay And did that concern her at all

as far as expressing any concern to you about it

A This was a very minor instance Like my

wife said this was like middota meaningless event She

had run two campaigns where theres serious issues

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with serious candidates violating rules that really

needed attention This was -- she called Melnick

up she said You cant have re-elect You

cant ~- you need to say retain He changed it

and that was it I mean Melnick corrected it right

away My wife called him right away and said you

know Youre violating the rules It was

corrected and that was the end of it

Q There was apparently a disagreement at

the hearing between Mr Melnick and your wife where

I thought that her initial testimony at the hearing

before you was that she had called him because there

was a disclaimer missing from some advertisement for

Judge Dijols and then Mr Melnick contradicted her

on that and said No it didnt deal with the

disclaimer It dealt with the re-elect versus

retain

A Exactly The disclaimer on ~very

political advertisement says This ad has been

approved by the candidate This shows that my wife

and I didnt discuss it Because my wife didnt

ev~n get the issue right If I had discussed this

with my wife she would have known what the issue

was and she would have been correct ~n her

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Q So you credited Mr Melnicks credibility

rather than hers

A Melnick was right Hey look you

know

Q All right

A But if my wife and I talked about it she

would have gotten it right she came to court and

she had no idea and

Q Well she had some idea didnt she that

you were going

A She knew she was coming to a hearing

Q About the motions to recuse

A About Melnick

Q And his motions to recuse

A Yes

Q Okay You did tell her that ahead of

time In fact Mr Schneider phrased it says We

got another one of those Would you mind coming and

testifying And you said That was probably

exactly what was said

A Well I -- I didnt remember

QPage 62

A I asked her can you -- can you come

back I dont know that my wife knew that Melnick

had filed -- theres no way she didnt know

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theres no way she knew because I dont discuss

these things with her I just sign them and go on

I dont give my wife a recount of everything I do

every day

Q I thought a minute ago you said you had

some discussions with her -shy

A Maybe when he first filed it a year and a

half earlier but since then I never

Q Well she was aware that he had accused

her of threatening him in at least one motion to

recuse

A Yeah

Q Okay

A Yeah Yeah

Q And that - - the way Mr Schneider phrased

it he said Was there communication to the fact

that quote unquote weve got another one of

those Would you mind coming to testify

A Well those arent my words Those are

Mr Schneiders

Q They are but you said that was probably

exactly what was said

A The substance You know its -- I -- I

dont know

Q Seems like you adopted his words there

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A Those arent my words I mean I dont

use those words But I said Can you come back

You know Im doing a hearing on Melnicks motion to

recuse

Q But you did ask her to come to court and

she did know that she was coming to court to talk

about the motion

A I dont think she knew that she was going

to be testifying but she knew she was coming to

court and it was on Melnicks motion

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EXAMINATION

BY MR DUNKINSON

Q I want to continue with that before I ask

my other questions I apologize because Im the

layperson here so I have a lot of -shy

THE CHAIR Mr Catalano has pointed that

out

Q I want to make sure I understand this

because I just -- Im very confused about the

conversation with you and your wife and what the

judges have asked Page 61 this is your quote not

Schneiders I probably told her -- I may have

told her that you know Steves filed a motion to

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conversation are we talking about Is that not the

phone conversation that were talking about

A Right That would have been the phone

conversation

Q So at that point which is at your lunch

or before your lunch your wife knew what you were

going to be asking her to do Because you then

say -- or Mr Schneider says on 62 There was a

communication of the fact that quote Weve got

another one of these Would you mind coming to

testify And you again said That was probably

exactly what was saiq

A I didnt remember specifically what I had

told her I mean if you look at Line 17 on 61 I

say I probably told her and then I say I may have

told her I didnt remember exactly what I told

her I just know that I told her I was doing a

motion to recuse at 130 and if she could come back

and specifically I didnt remember

Q All right So those statements you -shy

are you now saying that those statements are not

correct Is that what youre saying

A No Im saying -shy

Q Are you retracting those

A -- I may have told her I probably -- I

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dont remember specifically Certainly today I

dont remember specifically what I told her a year

and a half ago

Q I understand

A But when this happened when I gave this

statement and I think it was November -- yeah

November I wasnt a hundred percent what I told

her August 6th

Q All right Well the only point is you

know in her testimony yesterday as well as yours

both of you denied that you had any conversation

about it

A No I asked her to come back at 130

Q She claimed she knew nothing about what

it was about

A She didnt know I was going to be calling

her as

Q Implied that she did

A -- a witness

THE CHAIR Lets each of you finish

talking and the other can answer

Q All right Question the motion to

recuse again I dont know this but I have a

limited understanding -- can it not be the lawyer

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I didnt study this disquaiification and

disclosure I justwent by what I learned at

judicial college two years earlier You know

I -- its impossible to know everything they

teach you at judicial college They give you

2000 pages worth of material for Session A

they give you 2000 pages of material for

Session B and were going to make mistakes

THE CHAIR I hate to interrupt When

did you go to judicial college

THE RE$PONDENT I went March I guess

2007 and -shy

THE CHAIR Did you just put these in a

closet and not read them

I mean I dont want to hear 2000

pages

Im sorry Judge

JUDGE SILBERMAN As ~e sit heremiddot today

do you agree that you violated Canons 3 3 (b)

the provisions that we went through

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JUDGE SILBERMAN Do you believe t~a t

yqur conduct is in violation of Canon 2(a)

THE RESPONDENT yemiddots bull

don t believe was on the nmiddototice of

investigation but I do think it s pertinent i

UA judge smiddothall not allow f amily smiddotocial

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Do you think that someone cmiddotould look at

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THE RESPONDENT You know I just -- Im

going to say yes I just -- you know I made

it very careful that I would not -- I didnt

comment on my wifes testimony I didnt say

liMy wife is right and youre wrong I believe

my wife II I just -- I didnt go anywhere near

there I just backed off and said IIIm not

making any rulings Your motions granted

I just tried to clear this matter up We

were friends before And thats what I did

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JUDGE FREEMAN So they were not trying

to participate Right

THE RESPONDENT No No they werent

trying to participate

JUDGE FREEMAN Had the State Attorneys

Office ever request that you have that hearing

THE RESPONDENT No

JUDGE FREEMAN Had the State Attorneys

Office ever objected to the motion to recuse

THE RESPONDENT No

JUDGE FREEMAN Thank you

THE CHAIR Mr Morales

MR MORALES Your Honor one thing

Obviously whats legally sufficient for a

layperson I dont -- Ill leave that to the

judges and the lawyers but the fact that you

happened to go t~lunch with your wife that day

and you said Oh why dont you come on by

Were going to have this little hearing do

you think thats appropriate

THE RESPONDENT I didnt I dont -shy

its not -- the whole thing is not appropriate

The fact that I had the hearing I know is not

appropriate Probably not

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amiddotnother judge seeing someone at lunch and say

Hey Im going to have a hearing after lunch

Why dont you come by and testify

THE RESPONDENT No

MR MORALES Okay You thought you

should have had this hearing

THE RESPONDENT At the time yes now

no But-shy

MR MORALES Youre going to take a

li~t~e time the next time and think about what

youre doing

THE RESPONDENT It wasnt my intent -shy

you have to understand it wasnt my intent I

wouldnt have called the guy like a couple of

days later and said Im sorry I told him

the whole thing blew up My intent was just to

repair a friendship I just

MR MORALES Repairing your f~iendship

seems to work a lot better when youre sitti~g

down talking to somebody over a cold beer or -shy

either that or just sitting in your chambers

Hey lets talk about this

THE RESPONDENT I know But if it goes

bad then theyre saying youre berating them

in chambers I just should have let it go and

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JUDGE SILVERNAIL Well is that the only

reason you think it was inappropriate

THE RESPONDENT I do think his motion

was legally insufficient and I should have

just denied it as legally insufficient and

closed the book on that case

JUDGE SILVERNAIL Okay That answers my

questions Thank you

THE RESPONDENT Okay Thank you

THE CHAIR Anybody anything else

Judge do you want to close wrap up

THE RESPONDENT No I -- I do I do

At the time I held the hearing I thought

I had the right to hold the hearing based on my

misinterpretation on what I learned at judge

school I knew that I had to grant the motion

just by the fact that I held the hearing

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still think I could have held the hearing but

for different reasons because the motion was

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JUDGE SILBERMAN On page 13 of the

transcript after theres a dialogue again with

Mr Melnick you then state I dont think I

have to make any kind of ruling as to the

factual dispute Is that correct

THE RESPONDENT Correct

JUDGE SILBERMAN In which case again

there was no legally justifiable purpose for

this hearing Is that correct

THE RESPONDENT Yes Yeah theres no

legalJy justifiable purpose correct It wasmiddot

more a moral thing

JUDGE SILBERMAN I was

THE RESPONDENT It was personal It

wasnt -- but it wasnt personal in a negative

way I wasnt attacking the man I was

friends with the man Its hard to explain

when youre a judge and youre friends with

people and then because of an election that

has nothing to do with you now people are

attacking you

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that hearing And if it looks like because I

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dont know what else

Q Thats fine Ill -- Ill get you back

to where we want to go

A Okay

Q Now it was a little after noon I

believe you said when you arrived in your husbands

courtroom

A Correct

Q Okay And at about 1230 your husband

adjourned and told everyone to come back at 130

Correct

A Correct

Q Okay And then you went to lunch with

him

A Correct

Q All right Just the two of you at lunchZ

A Right

Q All right And your husband asked you to

return to the courtroom with him at 130 Correct

A No He asked me if I was coming back to

the courthouse And I told him that I had hearing

at 130 And he asked me if when I was done if I

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might find interesting or a motion to suppress or

an attorneys arguments are interesting or

whatever -- just for interest So he would let me

know ahead of time And so thats why when he said

you know Will you come back after your hearing I

had agreed I would

Q So during your hour long lunch with your

husband you did not discuss the motion -- the

recusal motion that Mr Melnick had filed in the

Gibbs case

A No

Q No discussion of that whatsoever

A No

Q And you did not -- he did not even tell

you that he was going to -- planning to call you as

a wi tness did he

A No

Q Just came as a total shock to you

A Yes

Q Okay And we do have a transcript I

believe thats in the record here of that and

weve been through that already and I dont need to

belabor that with you All right Now-shy

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the back door because my office would be on the

other side of the back door And when were leaving

the courtroom I just asked her Can you corne back

at 130 She told me she had a hearing with Judge

Gates at 130 and then she said she would corne by

as soon as that hearing with Judge Gates was over

JUDGE MENENDEZ Could I corne back and

ask a question now

THE CHAIR Okay with you

JUDGE WARREN Yeah Go ahead

EXAMINATION

BY JUDGE MENENDEZ

Q Did you have any discussions with your

wife over the fact that this lawyer Mr Melnick

was filing all these motions when he was alleging

that she had threatened him during a phone call

A If I did it would have been -shy

Q At anytime

A a year and a half earlier when he

fir s t f i led it

Q Okay And did that concern her at all

as far as expressing any concern to you about it

A This was a very minor instance Like my

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with serious candidates violating rules that really

needed attention This was -- she called Melnick

up she said You cant have re-elect You

cant ~- you need to say retain He changed it

and that was it I mean Melnick corrected it right

away My wife called him right away and said you

know Youre violating the rules It was

corrected and that was the end of it

Q There was apparently a disagreement at

the hearing between Mr Melnick and your wife where

I thought that her initial testimony at the hearing

before you was that she had called him because there

was a disclaimer missing from some advertisement for

Judge Dijols and then Mr Melnick contradicted her

on that and said No it didnt deal with the

disclaimer It dealt with the re-elect versus

retain

A Exactly The disclaimer on ~very

political advertisement says This ad has been

approved by the candidate This shows that my wife

and I didnt discuss it Because my wife didnt

ev~n get the issue right If I had discussed this

with my wife she would have known what the issue

was and she would have been correct ~n her

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Q So you credited Mr Melnicks credibility

rather than hers

A Melnick was right Hey look you

know

Q All right

A But if my wife and I talked about it she

would have gotten it right she came to court and

she had no idea and

Q Well she had some idea didnt she that

you were going

A She knew she was coming to a hearing

Q About the motions to recuse

A About Melnick

Q And his motions to recuse

A Yes

Q Okay You did tell her that ahead of

time In fact Mr Schneider phrased it says We

got another one of those Would you mind coming and

testifying And you said That was probably

exactly what was said

A Well I -- I didnt remember

QPage 62

A I asked her can you -- can you come

back I dont know that my wife knew that Melnick

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theres no way she knew because I dont discuss

these things with her I just sign them and go on

I dont give my wife a recount of everything I do

every day

Q I thought a minute ago you said you had

some discussions with her -shy

A Maybe when he first filed it a year and a

half earlier but since then I never

Q Well she was aware that he had accused

her of threatening him in at least one motion to

recuse

A Yeah

Q Okay

A Yeah Yeah

Q And that - - the way Mr Schneider phrased

it he said Was there communication to the fact

that quote unquote weve got another one of

those Would you mind coming to testify

A Well those arent my words Those are

Mr Schneiders

Q They are but you said that was probably

exactly what was said

A The substance You know its -- I -- I

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A Those arent my words I mean I dont

use those words But I said Can you come back

You know Im doing a hearing on Melnicks motion to

recuse

Q But you did ask her to come to court and

she did know that she was coming to court to talk

about the motion

A I dont think she knew that she was going

to be testifying but she knew she was coming to

court and it was on Melnicks motion

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EXAMINATION

BY MR DUNKINSON

Q I want to continue with that before I ask

my other questions I apologize because Im the

layperson here so I have a lot of -shy

THE CHAIR Mr Catalano has pointed that

out

Q I want to make sure I understand this

because I just -- Im very confused about the

conversation with you and your wife and what the

judges have asked Page 61 this is your quote not

Schneiders I probably told her -- I may have

told her that you know Steves filed a motion to

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conversation are we talking about Is that not the

phone conversation that were talking about

A Right That would have been the phone

conversation

Q So at that point which is at your lunch

or before your lunch your wife knew what you were

going to be asking her to do Because you then

say -- or Mr Schneider says on 62 There was a

communication of the fact that quote Weve got

another one of these Would you mind coming to

testify And you again said That was probably

exactly what was saiq

A I didnt remember specifically what I had

told her I mean if you look at Line 17 on 61 I

say I probably told her and then I say I may have

told her I didnt remember exactly what I told

her I just know that I told her I was doing a

motion to recuse at 130 and if she could come back

and specifically I didnt remember

Q All right So those statements you -shy

are you now saying that those statements are not

correct Is that what youre saying

A No Im saying -shy

Q Are you retracting those

A -- I may have told her I probably -- I

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dont remember specifically Certainly today I

dont remember specifically what I told her a year

and a half ago

Q I understand

A But when this happened when I gave this

statement and I think it was November -- yeah

November I wasnt a hundred percent what I told

her August 6th

Q All right Well the only point is you

know in her testimony yesterday as well as yours

both of you denied that you had any conversation

about it

A No I asked her to come back at 130

Q She claimed she knew nothing about what

it was about

A She didnt know I was going to be calling

her as

Q Implied that she did

A -- a witness

THE CHAIR Lets each of you finish

talking and the other can answer

Q All right Question the motion to

recuse again I dont know this but I have a

limited understanding -- can it not be the lawyer

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I didnt study this disquaiification and

disclosure I justwent by what I learned at

judicial college two years earlier You know

I -- its impossible to know everything they

teach you at judicial college They give you

2000 pages worth of material for Session A

they give you 2000 pages of material for

Session B and were going to make mistakes

THE CHAIR I hate to interrupt When

did you go to judicial college

THE RE$PONDENT I went March I guess

2007 and -shy

THE CHAIR Did you just put these in a

closet and not read them

I mean I dont want to hear 2000

pages

Im sorry Judge

JUDGE SILBERMAN As ~e sit heremiddot today

do you agree that you violated Canons 3 3 (b)

the provisions that we went through

THE RESPONDENT Ye~

JUDGE SILBERMAN Canon 2(a) A Judge

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JUDGE SILBERMAN Do you believe t~a t

yqur conduct is in violation of Canon 2(a)

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don t believe was on the nmiddototice of

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Do you think that someone cmiddotould look at

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pzolgtlem with 2 (b) as wellmiddot II

THE RESPONDENT You know I just -- Im

going to say yes I just -- you know I made

it very careful that I would not -- I didnt

comment on my wifes testimony I didnt say

liMy wife is right and youre wrong I believe

my wife II I just -- I didnt go anywhere near

there I just backed off and said IIIm not

making any rulings Your motions granted

I just tried to clear this matter up We

were friends before And thats what I did

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JUDGE FREEMAN So they were not trying

to participate Right

THE RESPONDENT No No they werent

trying to participate

JUDGE FREEMAN Had the State Attorneys

Office ever request that you have that hearing

THE RESPONDENT No

JUDGE FREEMAN Had the State Attorneys

Office ever objected to the motion to recuse

THE RESPONDENT No

JUDGE FREEMAN Thank you

THE CHAIR Mr Morales

MR MORALES Your Honor one thing

Obviously whats legally sufficient for a

layperson I dont -- Ill leave that to the

judges and the lawyers but the fact that you

happened to go t~lunch with your wife that day

and you said Oh why dont you come on by

Were going to have this little hearing do

you think thats appropriate

THE RESPONDENT I didnt I dont -shy

its not -- the whole thing is not appropriate

The fact that I had the hearing I know is not

appropriate Probably not

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Hey Im going to have a hearing after lunch

Why dont you come by and testify

THE RESPONDENT No

MR MORALES Okay You thought you

should have had this hearing

THE RESPONDENT At the time yes now

no But-shy

MR MORALES Youre going to take a

li~t~e time the next time and think about what

youre doing

THE RESPONDENT It wasnt my intent -shy

you have to understand it wasnt my intent I

wouldnt have called the guy like a couple of

days later and said Im sorry I told him

the whole thing blew up My intent was just to

repair a friendship I just

MR MORALES Repairing your f~iendship

seems to work a lot better when youre sitti~g

down talking to somebody over a cold beer or -shy

either that or just sitting in your chambers

Hey lets talk about this

THE RESPONDENT I know But if it goes

bad then theyre saying youre berating them

in chambers I just should have let it go and

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JUDGE SILVERNAIL Well is that the only

reason you think it was inappropriate

THE RESPONDENT I do think his motion

was legally insufficient and I should have

just denied it as legally insufficient and

closed the book on that case

JUDGE SILVERNAIL Okay That answers my

questions Thank you

THE RESPONDENT Okay Thank you

THE CHAIR Anybody anything else

Judge do you want to close wrap up

THE RESPONDENT No I -- I do I do

At the time I held the hearing I thought

I had the right to hold the hearing based on my

misinterpretation on what I learned at judge

school I knew that I had to grant the motion

just by the fact that I held the hearing

When I came in her~ today I legally

still think I could have held the hearing but

for different reasons because the motion was

legally insufficient based on the case law and

the research that Ive done I didnt think

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dont know what else

Q Thats fine Ill -- Ill get you back

to where we want to go

A Okay

Q Now it was a little after noon I

believe you said when you arrived in your husbands

courtroom

A Correct

Q Okay And at about 1230 your husband

adjourned and told everyone to come back at 130

Correct

A Correct

Q Okay And then you went to lunch with

him

A Correct

Q All right Just the two of you at lunchZ

A Right

Q All right And your husband asked you to

return to the courtroom with him at 130 Correct

A No He asked me if I was coming back to

the courthouse And I told him that I had hearing

at 130 And he asked me if when I was done if I

would come back into -- come back to his courtroom

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might find interesting or a motion to suppress or

an attorneys arguments are interesting or

whatever -- just for interest So he would let me

know ahead of time And so thats why when he said

you know Will you come back after your hearing I

had agreed I would

Q So during your hour long lunch with your

husband you did not discuss the motion -- the

recusal motion that Mr Melnick had filed in the

Gibbs case

A No

Q No discussion of that whatsoever

A No

Q And you did not -- he did not even tell

you that he was going to -- planning to call you as

a wi tness did he

A No

Q Just came as a total shock to you

A Yes

Q Okay And we do have a transcript I

believe thats in the record here of that and

weve been through that already and I dont need to

belabor that with you All right Now-shy

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the back door because my office would be on the

other side of the back door And when were leaving

the courtroom I just asked her Can you corne back

at 130 She told me she had a hearing with Judge

Gates at 130 and then she said she would corne by

as soon as that hearing with Judge Gates was over

JUDGE MENENDEZ Could I corne back and

ask a question now

THE CHAIR Okay with you

JUDGE WARREN Yeah Go ahead

EXAMINATION

BY JUDGE MENENDEZ

Q Did you have any discussions with your

wife over the fact that this lawyer Mr Melnick

was filing all these motions when he was alleging

that she had threatened him during a phone call

A If I did it would have been -shy

Q At anytime

A a year and a half earlier when he

fir s t f i led it

Q Okay And did that concern her at all

as far as expressing any concern to you about it

A This was a very minor instance Like my

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with serious candidates violating rules that really

needed attention This was -- she called Melnick

up she said You cant have re-elect You

cant ~- you need to say retain He changed it

and that was it I mean Melnick corrected it right

away My wife called him right away and said you

know Youre violating the rules It was

corrected and that was the end of it

Q There was apparently a disagreement at

the hearing between Mr Melnick and your wife where

I thought that her initial testimony at the hearing

before you was that she had called him because there

was a disclaimer missing from some advertisement for

Judge Dijols and then Mr Melnick contradicted her

on that and said No it didnt deal with the

disclaimer It dealt with the re-elect versus

retain

A Exactly The disclaimer on ~very

political advertisement says This ad has been

approved by the candidate This shows that my wife

and I didnt discuss it Because my wife didnt

ev~n get the issue right If I had discussed this

with my wife she would have known what the issue

was and she would have been correct ~n her

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Q So you credited Mr Melnicks credibility

rather than hers

A Melnick was right Hey look you

know

Q All right

A But if my wife and I talked about it she

would have gotten it right she came to court and

she had no idea and

Q Well she had some idea didnt she that

you were going

A She knew she was coming to a hearing

Q About the motions to recuse

A About Melnick

Q And his motions to recuse

A Yes

Q Okay You did tell her that ahead of

time In fact Mr Schneider phrased it says We

got another one of those Would you mind coming and

testifying And you said That was probably

exactly what was said

A Well I -- I didnt remember

QPage 62

A I asked her can you -- can you come

back I dont know that my wife knew that Melnick

had filed -- theres no way she didnt know

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theres no way she knew because I dont discuss

these things with her I just sign them and go on

I dont give my wife a recount of everything I do

every day

Q I thought a minute ago you said you had

some discussions with her -shy

A Maybe when he first filed it a year and a

half earlier but since then I never

Q Well she was aware that he had accused

her of threatening him in at least one motion to

recuse

A Yeah

Q Okay

A Yeah Yeah

Q And that - - the way Mr Schneider phrased

it he said Was there communication to the fact

that quote unquote weve got another one of

those Would you mind coming to testify

A Well those arent my words Those are

Mr Schneiders

Q They are but you said that was probably

exactly what was said

A The substance You know its -- I -- I

dont know

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A Those arent my words I mean I dont

use those words But I said Can you come back

You know Im doing a hearing on Melnicks motion to

recuse

Q But you did ask her to come to court and

she did know that she was coming to court to talk

about the motion

A I dont think she knew that she was going

to be testifying but she knew she was coming to

court and it was on Melnicks motion

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EXAMINATION

BY MR DUNKINSON

Q I want to continue with that before I ask

my other questions I apologize because Im the

layperson here so I have a lot of -shy

THE CHAIR Mr Catalano has pointed that

out

Q I want to make sure I understand this

because I just -- Im very confused about the

conversation with you and your wife and what the

judges have asked Page 61 this is your quote not

Schneiders I probably told her -- I may have

told her that you know Steves filed a motion to

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conversation are we talking about Is that not the

phone conversation that were talking about

A Right That would have been the phone

conversation

Q So at that point which is at your lunch

or before your lunch your wife knew what you were

going to be asking her to do Because you then

say -- or Mr Schneider says on 62 There was a

communication of the fact that quote Weve got

another one of these Would you mind coming to

testify And you again said That was probably

exactly what was saiq

A I didnt remember specifically what I had

told her I mean if you look at Line 17 on 61 I

say I probably told her and then I say I may have

told her I didnt remember exactly what I told

her I just know that I told her I was doing a

motion to recuse at 130 and if she could come back

and specifically I didnt remember

Q All right So those statements you -shy

are you now saying that those statements are not

correct Is that what youre saying

A No Im saying -shy

Q Are you retracting those

A -- I may have told her I probably -- I

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dont remember specifically what I told her a year

and a half ago

Q I understand

A But when this happened when I gave this

statement and I think it was November -- yeah

November I wasnt a hundred percent what I told

her August 6th

Q All right Well the only point is you

know in her testimony yesterday as well as yours

both of you denied that you had any conversation

about it

A No I asked her to come back at 130

Q She claimed she knew nothing about what

it was about

A She didnt know I was going to be calling

her as

Q Implied that she did

A -- a witness

THE CHAIR Lets each of you finish

talking and the other can answer

Q All right Question the motion to

recuse again I dont know this but I have a

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I didnt study this disquaiification and

disclosure I justwent by what I learned at

judicial college two years earlier You know

I -- its impossible to know everything they

teach you at judicial college They give you

2000 pages worth of material for Session A

they give you 2000 pages of material for

Session B and were going to make mistakes

THE CHAIR I hate to interrupt When

did you go to judicial college

THE RE$PONDENT I went March I guess

2007 and -shy

THE CHAIR Did you just put these in a

closet and not read them

I mean I dont want to hear 2000

pages

Im sorry Judge

JUDGE SILBERMAN As ~e sit heremiddot today

do you agree that you violated Canons 3 3 (b)

the provisions that we went through

THE RESPONDENT Ye~

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JUDGE SILBERMAN Do you believe t~a t

yqur conduct is in violation of Canon 2(a)

THE RESPONDENT yemiddots bull

don t believe was on the nmiddototice of

investigation but I do think it s pertinent i

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THE RESPONDENT You know I just -- Im

going to say yes I just -- you know I made

it very careful that I would not -- I didnt

comment on my wifes testimony I didnt say

liMy wife is right and youre wrong I believe

my wife II I just -- I didnt go anywhere near

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I just tried to clear this matter up We

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JUDGE FREEMAN So they were not trying

to participate Right

THE RESPONDENT No No they werent

trying to participate

JUDGE FREEMAN Had the State Attorneys

Office ever request that you have that hearing

THE RESPONDENT No

JUDGE FREEMAN Had the State Attorneys

Office ever objected to the motion to recuse

THE RESPONDENT No

JUDGE FREEMAN Thank you

THE CHAIR Mr Morales

MR MORALES Your Honor one thing

Obviously whats legally sufficient for a

layperson I dont -- Ill leave that to the

judges and the lawyers but the fact that you

happened to go t~lunch with your wife that day

and you said Oh why dont you come on by

Were going to have this little hearing do

you think thats appropriate

THE RESPONDENT I didnt I dont -shy

its not -- the whole thing is not appropriate

The fact that I had the hearing I know is not

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Hey Im going to have a hearing after lunch

Why dont you come by and testify

THE RESPONDENT No

MR MORALES Okay You thought you

should have had this hearing

THE RESPONDENT At the time yes now

no But-shy

MR MORALES Youre going to take a

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THE RESPONDENT It wasnt my intent -shy

you have to understand it wasnt my intent I

wouldnt have called the guy like a couple of

days later and said Im sorry I told him

the whole thing blew up My intent was just to

repair a friendship I just

MR MORALES Repairing your f~iendship

seems to work a lot better when youre sitti~g

down talking to somebody over a cold beer or -shy

either that or just sitting in your chambers

Hey lets talk about this

THE RESPONDENT I know But if it goes

bad then theyre saying youre berating them

in chambers I just should have let it go and

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JUDGE SILVERNAIL Well is that the only

reason you think it was inappropriate

THE RESPONDENT I do think his motion

was legally insufficient and I should have

just denied it as legally insufficient and

closed the book on that case

JUDGE SILVERNAIL Okay That answers my

questions Thank you

THE RESPONDENT Okay Thank you

THE CHAIR Anybody anything else

Judge do you want to close wrap up

THE RESPONDENT No I -- I do I do

At the time I held the hearing I thought

I had the right to hold the hearing based on my

misinterpretation on what I learned at judge

school I knew that I had to grant the motion

just by the fact that I held the hearing

When I came in her~ today I legally

still think I could have held the hearing but

for different reasons because the motion was

legally insufficient based on the case law and

the research that Ive done I didnt think

about the questions that you all have posed me

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dont know what else

Q Thats fine Ill -- Ill get you back

to where we want to go

A Okay

Q Now it was a little after noon I

believe you said when you arrived in your husbands

courtroom

A Correct

Q Okay And at about 1230 your husband

adjourned and told everyone to come back at 130

Correct

A Correct

Q Okay And then you went to lunch with

him

A Correct

Q All right Just the two of you at lunchZ

A Right

Q All right And your husband asked you to

return to the courtroom with him at 130 Correct

A No He asked me if I was coming back to

the courthouse And I told him that I had hearing

at 130 And he asked me if when I was done if I

would come back into -- come back to his courtroom

A lot of times he would ask me to do that because

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might find interesting or a motion to suppress or

an attorneys arguments are interesting or

whatever -- just for interest So he would let me

know ahead of time And so thats why when he said

you know Will you come back after your hearing I

had agreed I would

Q So during your hour long lunch with your

husband you did not discuss the motion -- the

recusal motion that Mr Melnick had filed in the

Gibbs case

A No

Q No discussion of that whatsoever

A No

Q And you did not -- he did not even tell

you that he was going to -- planning to call you as

a wi tness did he

A No

Q Just came as a total shock to you

A Yes

Q Okay And we do have a transcript I

believe thats in the record here of that and

weve been through that already and I dont need to

belabor that with you All right Now-shy

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the back door because my office would be on the

other side of the back door And when were leaving

the courtroom I just asked her Can you corne back

at 130 She told me she had a hearing with Judge

Gates at 130 and then she said she would corne by

as soon as that hearing with Judge Gates was over

JUDGE MENENDEZ Could I corne back and

ask a question now

THE CHAIR Okay with you

JUDGE WARREN Yeah Go ahead

EXAMINATION

BY JUDGE MENENDEZ

Q Did you have any discussions with your

wife over the fact that this lawyer Mr Melnick

was filing all these motions when he was alleging

that she had threatened him during a phone call

A If I did it would have been -shy

Q At anytime

A a year and a half earlier when he

fir s t f i led it

Q Okay And did that concern her at all

as far as expressing any concern to you about it

A This was a very minor instance Like my

wife said this was like middota meaningless event She

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with serious candidates violating rules that really

needed attention This was -- she called Melnick

up she said You cant have re-elect You

cant ~- you need to say retain He changed it

and that was it I mean Melnick corrected it right

away My wife called him right away and said you

know Youre violating the rules It was

corrected and that was the end of it

Q There was apparently a disagreement at

the hearing between Mr Melnick and your wife where

I thought that her initial testimony at the hearing

before you was that she had called him because there

was a disclaimer missing from some advertisement for

Judge Dijols and then Mr Melnick contradicted her

on that and said No it didnt deal with the

disclaimer It dealt with the re-elect versus

retain

A Exactly The disclaimer on ~very

political advertisement says This ad has been

approved by the candidate This shows that my wife

and I didnt discuss it Because my wife didnt

ev~n get the issue right If I had discussed this

with my wife she would have known what the issue

was and she would have been correct ~n her

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Q So you credited Mr Melnicks credibility

rather than hers

A Melnick was right Hey look you

know

Q All right

A But if my wife and I talked about it she

would have gotten it right she came to court and

she had no idea and

Q Well she had some idea didnt she that

you were going

A She knew she was coming to a hearing

Q About the motions to recuse

A About Melnick

Q And his motions to recuse

A Yes

Q Okay You did tell her that ahead of

time In fact Mr Schneider phrased it says We

got another one of those Would you mind coming and

testifying And you said That was probably

exactly what was said

A Well I -- I didnt remember

QPage 62

A I asked her can you -- can you come

back I dont know that my wife knew that Melnick

had filed -- theres no way she didnt know

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theres no way she knew because I dont discuss

these things with her I just sign them and go on

I dont give my wife a recount of everything I do

every day

Q I thought a minute ago you said you had

some discussions with her -shy

A Maybe when he first filed it a year and a

half earlier but since then I never

Q Well she was aware that he had accused

her of threatening him in at least one motion to

recuse

A Yeah

Q Okay

A Yeah Yeah

Q And that - - the way Mr Schneider phrased

it he said Was there communication to the fact

that quote unquote weve got another one of

those Would you mind coming to testify

A Well those arent my words Those are

Mr Schneiders

Q They are but you said that was probably

exactly what was said

A The substance You know its -- I -- I

dont know

Q Seems like you adopted his words there

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A Those arent my words I mean I dont

use those words But I said Can you come back

You know Im doing a hearing on Melnicks motion to

recuse

Q But you did ask her to come to court and

she did know that she was coming to court to talk

about the motion

A I dont think she knew that she was going

to be testifying but she knew she was coming to

court and it was on Melnicks motion

JUDGE WARREN Nothing r

EXAMINATION

BY MR DUNKINSON

Q I want to continue with that before I ask

my other questions I apologize because Im the

layperson here so I have a lot of -shy

THE CHAIR Mr Catalano has pointed that

out

Q I want to make sure I understand this

because I just -- Im very confused about the

conversation with you and your wife and what the

judges have asked Page 61 this is your quote not

Schneiders I probably told her -- I may have

told her that you know Steves filed a motion to

recuse based on that conversation What L

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conversation are we talking about Is that not the

phone conversation that were talking about

A Right That would have been the phone

conversation

Q So at that point which is at your lunch

or before your lunch your wife knew what you were

going to be asking her to do Because you then

say -- or Mr Schneider says on 62 There was a

communication of the fact that quote Weve got

another one of these Would you mind coming to

testify And you again said That was probably

exactly what was saiq

A I didnt remember specifically what I had

told her I mean if you look at Line 17 on 61 I

say I probably told her and then I say I may have

told her I didnt remember exactly what I told

her I just know that I told her I was doing a

motion to recuse at 130 and if she could come back

and specifically I didnt remember

Q All right So those statements you -shy

are you now saying that those statements are not

correct Is that what youre saying

A No Im saying -shy

Q Are you retracting those

A -- I may have told her I probably -- I

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dont remember specifically Certainly today I

dont remember specifically what I told her a year

and a half ago

Q I understand

A But when this happened when I gave this

statement and I think it was November -- yeah

November I wasnt a hundred percent what I told

her August 6th

Q All right Well the only point is you

know in her testimony yesterday as well as yours

both of you denied that you had any conversation

about it

A No I asked her to come back at 130

Q She claimed she knew nothing about what

it was about

A She didnt know I was going to be calling

her as

Q Implied that she did

A -- a witness

THE CHAIR Lets each of you finish

talking and the other can answer

Q All right Question the motion to

recuse again I dont know this but I have a

limited understanding -- can it not be the lawyer

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I didnt study this disquaiification and

disclosure I justwent by what I learned at

judicial college two years earlier You know

I -- its impossible to know everything they

teach you at judicial college They give you

2000 pages worth of material for Session A

they give you 2000 pages of material for

Session B and were going to make mistakes

THE CHAIR I hate to interrupt When

did you go to judicial college

THE RE$PONDENT I went March I guess

2007 and -shy

THE CHAIR Did you just put these in a

closet and not read them

I mean I dont want to hear 2000

pages

Im sorry Judge

JUDGE SILBERMAN As ~e sit heremiddot today

do you agree that you violated Canons 3 3 (b)

the provisions that we went through

THE RESPONDENT Ye~

JUDGE SILBERMAN Canon 2(a) A Judge

sha-lmiddotl relJpect and aomply wi-th the Lawmiddot and sha]l

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JUDGE SILBERMAN Do you believe t~a t

yqur conduct is in violation of Canon 2(a)

THE RESPONDENT yemiddots bull

don t believe was on the nmiddototice of

investigation but I do think it s pertinent i

UA judge smiddothall not allow f amily smiddotocial

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Do you think that someone cmiddotould look at

Y9u r conduct and say 11 Sounds like there s a

pzolgtlem with 2 (b) as wellmiddot II

THE RESPONDENT You know I just -- Im

going to say yes I just -- you know I made

it very careful that I would not -- I didnt

comment on my wifes testimony I didnt say

liMy wife is right and youre wrong I believe

my wife II I just -- I didnt go anywhere near

there I just backed off and said IIIm not

making any rulings Your motions granted

I just tried to clear this matter up We

were friends before And thats what I did

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JUDGE FREEMAN So they were not trying

to participate Right

THE RESPONDENT No No they werent

trying to participate

JUDGE FREEMAN Had the State Attorneys

Office ever request that you have that hearing

THE RESPONDENT No

JUDGE FREEMAN Had the State Attorneys

Office ever objected to the motion to recuse

THE RESPONDENT No

JUDGE FREEMAN Thank you

THE CHAIR Mr Morales

MR MORALES Your Honor one thing

Obviously whats legally sufficient for a

layperson I dont -- Ill leave that to the

judges and the lawyers but the fact that you

happened to go t~lunch with your wife that day

and you said Oh why dont you come on by

Were going to have this little hearing do

you think thats appropriate

THE RESPONDENT I didnt I dont -shy

its not -- the whole thing is not appropriate

The fact that I had the hearing I know is not

appropriate Probably not

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Hey Im going to have a hearing after lunch

Why dont you come by and testify

THE RESPONDENT No

MR MORALES Okay You thought you

should have had this hearing

THE RESPONDENT At the time yes now

no But-shy

MR MORALES Youre going to take a

li~t~e time the next time and think about what

youre doing

THE RESPONDENT It wasnt my intent -shy

you have to understand it wasnt my intent I

wouldnt have called the guy like a couple of

days later and said Im sorry I told him

the whole thing blew up My intent was just to

repair a friendship I just

MR MORALES Repairing your f~iendship

seems to work a lot better when youre sitti~g

down talking to somebody over a cold beer or -shy

either that or just sitting in your chambers

Hey lets talk about this

THE RESPONDENT I know But if it goes

bad then theyre saying youre berating them

in chambers I just should have let it go and

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JUDGE SILVERNAIL Well is that the only

reason you think it was inappropriate

THE RESPONDENT I do think his motion

was legally insufficient and I should have

just denied it as legally insufficient and

closed the book on that case

JUDGE SILVERNAIL Okay That answers my

questions Thank you

THE RESPONDENT Okay Thank you

THE CHAIR Anybody anything else

Judge do you want to close wrap up

THE RESPONDENT No I -- I do I do

At the time I held the hearing I thought

I had the right to hold the hearing based on my

misinterpretation on what I learned at judge

school I knew that I had to grant the motion

just by the fact that I held the hearing

When I came in her~ today I legally

still think I could have held the hearing but

for different reasons because the motion was

legally insufficient based on the case law and

the research that Ive done I didnt think

about the questions that you all have posed me

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might find interesting or a motion to suppress or

an attorneys arguments are interesting or

whatever -- just for interest So he would let me

know ahead of time And so thats why when he said

you know Will you come back after your hearing I

had agreed I would

Q So during your hour long lunch with your

husband you did not discuss the motion -- the

recusal motion that Mr Melnick had filed in the

Gibbs case

A No

Q No discussion of that whatsoever

A No

Q And you did not -- he did not even tell

you that he was going to -- planning to call you as

a wi tness did he

A No

Q Just came as a total shock to you

A Yes

Q Okay And we do have a transcript I

believe thats in the record here of that and

weve been through that already and I dont need to

belabor that with you All right Now-shy

A Im not sure I understand I just want

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the back door because my office would be on the

other side of the back door And when were leaving

the courtroom I just asked her Can you corne back

at 130 She told me she had a hearing with Judge

Gates at 130 and then she said she would corne by

as soon as that hearing with Judge Gates was over

JUDGE MENENDEZ Could I corne back and

ask a question now

THE CHAIR Okay with you

JUDGE WARREN Yeah Go ahead

EXAMINATION

BY JUDGE MENENDEZ

Q Did you have any discussions with your

wife over the fact that this lawyer Mr Melnick

was filing all these motions when he was alleging

that she had threatened him during a phone call

A If I did it would have been -shy

Q At anytime

A a year and a half earlier when he

fir s t f i led it

Q Okay And did that concern her at all

as far as expressing any concern to you about it

A This was a very minor instance Like my

wife said this was like middota meaningless event She

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with serious candidates violating rules that really

needed attention This was -- she called Melnick

up she said You cant have re-elect You

cant ~- you need to say retain He changed it

and that was it I mean Melnick corrected it right

away My wife called him right away and said you

know Youre violating the rules It was

corrected and that was the end of it

Q There was apparently a disagreement at

the hearing between Mr Melnick and your wife where

I thought that her initial testimony at the hearing

before you was that she had called him because there

was a disclaimer missing from some advertisement for

Judge Dijols and then Mr Melnick contradicted her

on that and said No it didnt deal with the

disclaimer It dealt with the re-elect versus

retain

A Exactly The disclaimer on ~very

political advertisement says This ad has been

approved by the candidate This shows that my wife

and I didnt discuss it Because my wife didnt

ev~n get the issue right If I had discussed this

with my wife she would have known what the issue

was and she would have been correct ~n her

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Q So you credited Mr Melnicks credibility

rather than hers

A Melnick was right Hey look you

know

Q All right

A But if my wife and I talked about it she

would have gotten it right she came to court and

she had no idea and

Q Well she had some idea didnt she that

you were going

A She knew she was coming to a hearing

Q About the motions to recuse

A About Melnick

Q And his motions to recuse

A Yes

Q Okay You did tell her that ahead of

time In fact Mr Schneider phrased it says We

got another one of those Would you mind coming and

testifying And you said That was probably

exactly what was said

A Well I -- I didnt remember

QPage 62

A I asked her can you -- can you come

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theres no way she knew because I dont discuss

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I dont give my wife a recount of everything I do

every day

Q I thought a minute ago you said you had

some discussions with her -shy

A Maybe when he first filed it a year and a

half earlier but since then I never

Q Well she was aware that he had accused

her of threatening him in at least one motion to

recuse

A Yeah

Q Okay

A Yeah Yeah

Q And that - - the way Mr Schneider phrased

it he said Was there communication to the fact

that quote unquote weve got another one of

those Would you mind coming to testify

A Well those arent my words Those are

Mr Schneiders

Q They are but you said that was probably

exactly what was said

A The substance You know its -- I -- I

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A Those arent my words I mean I dont

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You know Im doing a hearing on Melnicks motion to

recuse

Q But you did ask her to come to court and

she did know that she was coming to court to talk

about the motion

A I dont think she knew that she was going

to be testifying but she knew she was coming to

court and it was on Melnicks motion

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EXAMINATION

BY MR DUNKINSON

Q I want to continue with that before I ask

my other questions I apologize because Im the

layperson here so I have a lot of -shy

THE CHAIR Mr Catalano has pointed that

out

Q I want to make sure I understand this

because I just -- Im very confused about the

conversation with you and your wife and what the

judges have asked Page 61 this is your quote not

Schneiders I probably told her -- I may have

told her that you know Steves filed a motion to

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conversation are we talking about Is that not the

phone conversation that were talking about

A Right That would have been the phone

conversation

Q So at that point which is at your lunch

or before your lunch your wife knew what you were

going to be asking her to do Because you then

say -- or Mr Schneider says on 62 There was a

communication of the fact that quote Weve got

another one of these Would you mind coming to

testify And you again said That was probably

exactly what was saiq

A I didnt remember specifically what I had

told her I mean if you look at Line 17 on 61 I

say I probably told her and then I say I may have

told her I didnt remember exactly what I told

her I just know that I told her I was doing a

motion to recuse at 130 and if she could come back

and specifically I didnt remember

Q All right So those statements you -shy

are you now saying that those statements are not

correct Is that what youre saying

A No Im saying -shy

Q Are you retracting those

A -- I may have told her I probably -- I

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Q I understand

A But when this happened when I gave this

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November I wasnt a hundred percent what I told

her August 6th

Q All right Well the only point is you

know in her testimony yesterday as well as yours

both of you denied that you had any conversation

about it

A No I asked her to come back at 130

Q She claimed she knew nothing about what

it was about

A She didnt know I was going to be calling

her as

Q Implied that she did

A -- a witness

THE CHAIR Lets each of you finish

talking and the other can answer

Q All right Question the motion to

recuse again I dont know this but I have a

limited understanding -- can it not be the lawyer

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I -- its impossible to know everything they

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they give you 2000 pages of material for

Session B and were going to make mistakes

THE CHAIR I hate to interrupt When

did you go to judicial college

THE RE$PONDENT I went March I guess

2007 and -shy

THE CHAIR Did you just put these in a

closet and not read them

I mean I dont want to hear 2000

pages

Im sorry Judge

JUDGE SILBERMAN As ~e sit heremiddot today

do you agree that you violated Canons 3 3 (b)

the provisions that we went through

THE RESPONDENT Ye~

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JUDGE SILBERMAN Do you believe t~a t

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THE RESPONDENT You know I just -- Im

going to say yes I just -- you know I made

it very careful that I would not -- I didnt

comment on my wifes testimony I didnt say

liMy wife is right and youre wrong I believe

my wife II I just -- I didnt go anywhere near

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JUDGE FREEMAN So they were not trying

to participate Right

THE RESPONDENT No No they werent

trying to participate

JUDGE FREEMAN Had the State Attorneys

Office ever request that you have that hearing

THE RESPONDENT No

JUDGE FREEMAN Had the State Attorneys

Office ever objected to the motion to recuse

THE RESPONDENT No

JUDGE FREEMAN Thank you

THE CHAIR Mr Morales

MR MORALES Your Honor one thing

Obviously whats legally sufficient for a

layperson I dont -- Ill leave that to the

judges and the lawyers but the fact that you

happened to go t~lunch with your wife that day

and you said Oh why dont you come on by

Were going to have this little hearing do

you think thats appropriate

THE RESPONDENT I didnt I dont -shy

its not -- the whole thing is not appropriate

The fact that I had the hearing I know is not

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Hey Im going to have a hearing after lunch

Why dont you come by and testify

THE RESPONDENT No

MR MORALES Okay You thought you

should have had this hearing

THE RESPONDENT At the time yes now

no But-shy

MR MORALES Youre going to take a

li~t~e time the next time and think about what

youre doing

THE RESPONDENT It wasnt my intent -shy

you have to understand it wasnt my intent I

wouldnt have called the guy like a couple of

days later and said Im sorry I told him

the whole thing blew up My intent was just to

repair a friendship I just

MR MORALES Repairing your f~iendship

seems to work a lot better when youre sitti~g

down talking to somebody over a cold beer or -shy

either that or just sitting in your chambers

Hey lets talk about this

THE RESPONDENT I know But if it goes

bad then theyre saying youre berating them

in chambers I just should have let it go and

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JUDGE SILVERNAIL Well is that the only

reason you think it was inappropriate

THE RESPONDENT I do think his motion

was legally insufficient and I should have

just denied it as legally insufficient and

closed the book on that case

JUDGE SILVERNAIL Okay That answers my

questions Thank you

THE RESPONDENT Okay Thank you

THE CHAIR Anybody anything else

Judge do you want to close wrap up

THE RESPONDENT No I -- I do I do

At the time I held the hearing I thought

I had the right to hold the hearing based on my

misinterpretation on what I learned at judge

school I knew that I had to grant the motion

just by the fact that I held the hearing

When I came in her~ today I legally

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the back door because my office would be on the

other side of the back door And when were leaving

the courtroom I just asked her Can you corne back

at 130 She told me she had a hearing with Judge

Gates at 130 and then she said she would corne by

as soon as that hearing with Judge Gates was over

JUDGE MENENDEZ Could I corne back and

ask a question now

THE CHAIR Okay with you

JUDGE WARREN Yeah Go ahead

EXAMINATION

BY JUDGE MENENDEZ

Q Did you have any discussions with your

wife over the fact that this lawyer Mr Melnick

was filing all these motions when he was alleging

that she had threatened him during a phone call

A If I did it would have been -shy

Q At anytime

A a year and a half earlier when he

fir s t f i led it

Q Okay And did that concern her at all

as far as expressing any concern to you about it

A This was a very minor instance Like my

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needed attention This was -- she called Melnick

up she said You cant have re-elect You

cant ~- you need to say retain He changed it

and that was it I mean Melnick corrected it right

away My wife called him right away and said you

know Youre violating the rules It was

corrected and that was the end of it

Q There was apparently a disagreement at

the hearing between Mr Melnick and your wife where

I thought that her initial testimony at the hearing

before you was that she had called him because there

was a disclaimer missing from some advertisement for

Judge Dijols and then Mr Melnick contradicted her

on that and said No it didnt deal with the

disclaimer It dealt with the re-elect versus

retain

A Exactly The disclaimer on ~very

political advertisement says This ad has been

approved by the candidate This shows that my wife

and I didnt discuss it Because my wife didnt

ev~n get the issue right If I had discussed this

with my wife she would have known what the issue

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Q So you credited Mr Melnicks credibility

rather than hers

A Melnick was right Hey look you

know

Q All right

A But if my wife and I talked about it she

would have gotten it right she came to court and

she had no idea and

Q Well she had some idea didnt she that

you were going

A She knew she was coming to a hearing

Q About the motions to recuse

A About Melnick

Q And his motions to recuse

A Yes

Q Okay You did tell her that ahead of

time In fact Mr Schneider phrased it says We

got another one of those Would you mind coming and

testifying And you said That was probably

exactly what was said

A Well I -- I didnt remember

QPage 62

A I asked her can you -- can you come

back I dont know that my wife knew that Melnick

had filed -- theres no way she didnt know

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theres no way she knew because I dont discuss

these things with her I just sign them and go on

I dont give my wife a recount of everything I do

every day

Q I thought a minute ago you said you had

some discussions with her -shy

A Maybe when he first filed it a year and a

half earlier but since then I never

Q Well she was aware that he had accused

her of threatening him in at least one motion to

recuse

A Yeah

Q Okay

A Yeah Yeah

Q And that - - the way Mr Schneider phrased

it he said Was there communication to the fact

that quote unquote weve got another one of

those Would you mind coming to testify

A Well those arent my words Those are

Mr Schneiders

Q They are but you said that was probably

exactly what was said

A The substance You know its -- I -- I

dont know

Q Seems like you adopted his words there

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A Those arent my words I mean I dont

use those words But I said Can you come back

You know Im doing a hearing on Melnicks motion to

recuse

Q But you did ask her to come to court and

she did know that she was coming to court to talk

about the motion

A I dont think she knew that she was going

to be testifying but she knew she was coming to

court and it was on Melnicks motion

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EXAMINATION

BY MR DUNKINSON

Q I want to continue with that before I ask

my other questions I apologize because Im the

layperson here so I have a lot of -shy

THE CHAIR Mr Catalano has pointed that

out

Q I want to make sure I understand this

because I just -- Im very confused about the

conversation with you and your wife and what the

judges have asked Page 61 this is your quote not

Schneiders I probably told her -- I may have

told her that you know Steves filed a motion to

recuse based on that conversation What L

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conversation are we talking about Is that not the

phone conversation that were talking about

A Right That would have been the phone

conversation

Q So at that point which is at your lunch

or before your lunch your wife knew what you were

going to be asking her to do Because you then

say -- or Mr Schneider says on 62 There was a

communication of the fact that quote Weve got

another one of these Would you mind coming to

testify And you again said That was probably

exactly what was saiq

A I didnt remember specifically what I had

told her I mean if you look at Line 17 on 61 I

say I probably told her and then I say I may have

told her I didnt remember exactly what I told

her I just know that I told her I was doing a

motion to recuse at 130 and if she could come back

and specifically I didnt remember

Q All right So those statements you -shy

are you now saying that those statements are not

correct Is that what youre saying

A No Im saying -shy

Q Are you retracting those

A -- I may have told her I probably -- I

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dont remember specifically what I told her a year

and a half ago

Q I understand

A But when this happened when I gave this

statement and I think it was November -- yeah

November I wasnt a hundred percent what I told

her August 6th

Q All right Well the only point is you

know in her testimony yesterday as well as yours

both of you denied that you had any conversation

about it

A No I asked her to come back at 130

Q She claimed she knew nothing about what

it was about

A She didnt know I was going to be calling

her as

Q Implied that she did

A -- a witness

THE CHAIR Lets each of you finish

talking and the other can answer

Q All right Question the motion to

recuse again I dont know this but I have a

limited understanding -- can it not be the lawyer

that has an issue with you in addition to the

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I didnt study this disquaiification and

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I -- its impossible to know everything they

teach you at judicial college They give you

2000 pages worth of material for Session A

they give you 2000 pages of material for

Session B and were going to make mistakes

THE CHAIR I hate to interrupt When

did you go to judicial college

THE RE$PONDENT I went March I guess

2007 and -shy

THE CHAIR Did you just put these in a

closet and not read them

I mean I dont want to hear 2000

pages

Im sorry Judge

JUDGE SILBERMAN As ~e sit heremiddot today

do you agree that you violated Canons 3 3 (b)

the provisions that we went through

THE RESPONDENT Ye~

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JUDGE SILBERMAN Do you believe t~a t

yqur conduct is in violation of Canon 2(a)

THE RESPONDENT yemiddots bull

don t believe was on the nmiddototice of

investigation but I do think it s pertinent i

UA judge smiddothall not allow f amily smiddotocial

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Do you think that someone cmiddotould look at

Y9u r conduct and say 11 Sounds like there s a

pzolgtlem with 2 (b) as wellmiddot II

THE RESPONDENT You know I just -- Im

going to say yes I just -- you know I made

it very careful that I would not -- I didnt

comment on my wifes testimony I didnt say

liMy wife is right and youre wrong I believe

my wife II I just -- I didnt go anywhere near

there I just backed off and said IIIm not

making any rulings Your motions granted

I just tried to clear this matter up We

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JUDGE FREEMAN So they were not trying

to participate Right

THE RESPONDENT No No they werent

trying to participate

JUDGE FREEMAN Had the State Attorneys

Office ever request that you have that hearing

THE RESPONDENT No

JUDGE FREEMAN Had the State Attorneys

Office ever objected to the motion to recuse

THE RESPONDENT No

JUDGE FREEMAN Thank you

THE CHAIR Mr Morales

MR MORALES Your Honor one thing

Obviously whats legally sufficient for a

layperson I dont -- Ill leave that to the

judges and the lawyers but the fact that you

happened to go t~lunch with your wife that day

and you said Oh why dont you come on by

Were going to have this little hearing do

you think thats appropriate

THE RESPONDENT I didnt I dont -shy

its not -- the whole thing is not appropriate

The fact that I had the hearing I know is not

appropriate Probably not

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Hey Im going to have a hearing after lunch

Why dont you come by and testify

THE RESPONDENT No

MR MORALES Okay You thought you

should have had this hearing

THE RESPONDENT At the time yes now

no But-shy

MR MORALES Youre going to take a

li~t~e time the next time and think about what

youre doing

THE RESPONDENT It wasnt my intent -shy

you have to understand it wasnt my intent I

wouldnt have called the guy like a couple of

days later and said Im sorry I told him

the whole thing blew up My intent was just to

repair a friendship I just

MR MORALES Repairing your f~iendship

seems to work a lot better when youre sitti~g

down talking to somebody over a cold beer or -shy

either that or just sitting in your chambers

Hey lets talk about this

THE RESPONDENT I know But if it goes

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JUDGE SILVERNAIL Well is that the only

reason you think it was inappropriate

THE RESPONDENT I do think his motion

was legally insufficient and I should have

just denied it as legally insufficient and

closed the book on that case

JUDGE SILVERNAIL Okay That answers my

questions Thank you

THE RESPONDENT Okay Thank you

THE CHAIR Anybody anything else

Judge do you want to close wrap up

THE RESPONDENT No I -- I do I do

At the time I held the hearing I thought

I had the right to hold the hearing based on my

misinterpretation on what I learned at judge

school I knew that I had to grant the motion

just by the fact that I held the hearing

When I came in her~ today I legally

still think I could have held the hearing but

for different reasons because the motion was

legally insufficient based on the case law and

the research that Ive done I didnt think

about the questions that you all have posed me

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needed attention This was -- she called Melnick

up she said You cant have re-elect You

cant ~- you need to say retain He changed it

and that was it I mean Melnick corrected it right

away My wife called him right away and said you

know Youre violating the rules It was

corrected and that was the end of it

Q There was apparently a disagreement at

the hearing between Mr Melnick and your wife where

I thought that her initial testimony at the hearing

before you was that she had called him because there

was a disclaimer missing from some advertisement for

Judge Dijols and then Mr Melnick contradicted her

on that and said No it didnt deal with the

disclaimer It dealt with the re-elect versus

retain

A Exactly The disclaimer on ~very

political advertisement says This ad has been

approved by the candidate This shows that my wife

and I didnt discuss it Because my wife didnt

ev~n get the issue right If I had discussed this

with my wife she would have known what the issue

was and she would have been correct ~n her

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Q So you credited Mr Melnicks credibility

rather than hers

A Melnick was right Hey look you

know

Q All right

A But if my wife and I talked about it she

would have gotten it right she came to court and

she had no idea and

Q Well she had some idea didnt she that

you were going

A She knew she was coming to a hearing

Q About the motions to recuse

A About Melnick

Q And his motions to recuse

A Yes

Q Okay You did tell her that ahead of

time In fact Mr Schneider phrased it says We

got another one of those Would you mind coming and

testifying And you said That was probably

exactly what was said

A Well I -- I didnt remember

QPage 62

A I asked her can you -- can you come

back I dont know that my wife knew that Melnick

had filed -- theres no way she didnt know

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these things with her I just sign them and go on

I dont give my wife a recount of everything I do

every day

Q I thought a minute ago you said you had

some discussions with her -shy

A Maybe when he first filed it a year and a

half earlier but since then I never

Q Well she was aware that he had accused

her of threatening him in at least one motion to

recuse

A Yeah

Q Okay

A Yeah Yeah

Q And that - - the way Mr Schneider phrased

it he said Was there communication to the fact

that quote unquote weve got another one of

those Would you mind coming to testify

A Well those arent my words Those are

Mr Schneiders

Q They are but you said that was probably

exactly what was said

A The substance You know its -- I -- I

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A Those arent my words I mean I dont

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You know Im doing a hearing on Melnicks motion to

recuse

Q But you did ask her to come to court and

she did know that she was coming to court to talk

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A I dont think she knew that she was going

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Q I want to continue with that before I ask

my other questions I apologize because Im the

layperson here so I have a lot of -shy

THE CHAIR Mr Catalano has pointed that

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Q I want to make sure I understand this

because I just -- Im very confused about the

conversation with you and your wife and what the

judges have asked Page 61 this is your quote not

Schneiders I probably told her -- I may have

told her that you know Steves filed a motion to

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conversation are we talking about Is that not the

phone conversation that were talking about

A Right That would have been the phone

conversation

Q So at that point which is at your lunch

or before your lunch your wife knew what you were

going to be asking her to do Because you then

say -- or Mr Schneider says on 62 There was a

communication of the fact that quote Weve got

another one of these Would you mind coming to

testify And you again said That was probably

exactly what was saiq

A I didnt remember specifically what I had

told her I mean if you look at Line 17 on 61 I

say I probably told her and then I say I may have

told her I didnt remember exactly what I told

her I just know that I told her I was doing a

motion to recuse at 130 and if she could come back

and specifically I didnt remember

Q All right So those statements you -shy

are you now saying that those statements are not

correct Is that what youre saying

A No Im saying -shy

Q Are you retracting those

A -- I may have told her I probably -- I

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dont remember specifically Certainly today I

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Q I understand

A But when this happened when I gave this

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November I wasnt a hundred percent what I told

her August 6th

Q All right Well the only point is you

know in her testimony yesterday as well as yours

both of you denied that you had any conversation

about it

A No I asked her to come back at 130

Q She claimed she knew nothing about what

it was about

A She didnt know I was going to be calling

her as

Q Implied that she did

A -- a witness

THE CHAIR Lets each of you finish

talking and the other can answer

Q All right Question the motion to

recuse again I dont know this but I have a

limited understanding -- can it not be the lawyer

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I didnt study this disquaiification and

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I -- its impossible to know everything they

teach you at judicial college They give you

2000 pages worth of material for Session A

they give you 2000 pages of material for

Session B and were going to make mistakes

THE CHAIR I hate to interrupt When

did you go to judicial college

THE RE$PONDENT I went March I guess

2007 and -shy

THE CHAIR Did you just put these in a

closet and not read them

I mean I dont want to hear 2000

pages

Im sorry Judge

JUDGE SILBERMAN As ~e sit heremiddot today

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the provisions that we went through

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JUDGE SILBERMAN Do you believe t~a t

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THE RESPONDENT You know I just -- Im

going to say yes I just -- you know I made

it very careful that I would not -- I didnt

comment on my wifes testimony I didnt say

liMy wife is right and youre wrong I believe

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I just tried to clear this matter up We

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JUDGE FREEMAN So they were not trying

to participate Right

THE RESPONDENT No No they werent

trying to participate

JUDGE FREEMAN Had the State Attorneys

Office ever request that you have that hearing

THE RESPONDENT No

JUDGE FREEMAN Had the State Attorneys

Office ever objected to the motion to recuse

THE RESPONDENT No

JUDGE FREEMAN Thank you

THE CHAIR Mr Morales

MR MORALES Your Honor one thing

Obviously whats legally sufficient for a

layperson I dont -- Ill leave that to the

judges and the lawyers but the fact that you

happened to go t~lunch with your wife that day

and you said Oh why dont you come on by

Were going to have this little hearing do

you think thats appropriate

THE RESPONDENT I didnt I dont -shy

its not -- the whole thing is not appropriate

The fact that I had the hearing I know is not

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Hey Im going to have a hearing after lunch

Why dont you come by and testify

THE RESPONDENT No

MR MORALES Okay You thought you

should have had this hearing

THE RESPONDENT At the time yes now

no But-shy

MR MORALES Youre going to take a

li~t~e time the next time and think about what

youre doing

THE RESPONDENT It wasnt my intent -shy

you have to understand it wasnt my intent I

wouldnt have called the guy like a couple of

days later and said Im sorry I told him

the whole thing blew up My intent was just to

repair a friendship I just

MR MORALES Repairing your f~iendship

seems to work a lot better when youre sitti~g

down talking to somebody over a cold beer or -shy

either that or just sitting in your chambers

Hey lets talk about this

THE RESPONDENT I know But if it goes

bad then theyre saying youre berating them

in chambers I just should have let it go and

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JUDGE SILVERNAIL Well is that the only

reason you think it was inappropriate

THE RESPONDENT I do think his motion

was legally insufficient and I should have

just denied it as legally insufficient and

closed the book on that case

JUDGE SILVERNAIL Okay That answers my

questions Thank you

THE RESPONDENT Okay Thank you

THE CHAIR Anybody anything else

Judge do you want to close wrap up

THE RESPONDENT No I -- I do I do

At the time I held the hearing I thought

I had the right to hold the hearing based on my

misinterpretation on what I learned at judge

school I knew that I had to grant the motion

just by the fact that I held the hearing

When I came in her~ today I legally

still think I could have held the hearing but

for different reasons because the motion was

legally insufficient based on the case law and

the research that Ive done I didnt think

about the questions that you all have posed me

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Q So you credited Mr Melnicks credibility

rather than hers

A Melnick was right Hey look you

know

Q All right

A But if my wife and I talked about it she

would have gotten it right she came to court and

she had no idea and

Q Well she had some idea didnt she that

you were going

A She knew she was coming to a hearing

Q About the motions to recuse

A About Melnick

Q And his motions to recuse

A Yes

Q Okay You did tell her that ahead of

time In fact Mr Schneider phrased it says We

got another one of those Would you mind coming and

testifying And you said That was probably

exactly what was said

A Well I -- I didnt remember

QPage 62

A I asked her can you -- can you come

back I dont know that my wife knew that Melnick

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theres no way she knew because I dont discuss

these things with her I just sign them and go on

I dont give my wife a recount of everything I do

every day

Q I thought a minute ago you said you had

some discussions with her -shy

A Maybe when he first filed it a year and a

half earlier but since then I never

Q Well she was aware that he had accused

her of threatening him in at least one motion to

recuse

A Yeah

Q Okay

A Yeah Yeah

Q And that - - the way Mr Schneider phrased

it he said Was there communication to the fact

that quote unquote weve got another one of

those Would you mind coming to testify

A Well those arent my words Those are

Mr Schneiders

Q They are but you said that was probably

exactly what was said

A The substance You know its -- I -- I

dont know

Q Seems like you adopted his words there

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A Those arent my words I mean I dont

use those words But I said Can you come back

You know Im doing a hearing on Melnicks motion to

recuse

Q But you did ask her to come to court and

she did know that she was coming to court to talk

about the motion

A I dont think she knew that she was going

to be testifying but she knew she was coming to

court and it was on Melnicks motion

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EXAMINATION

BY MR DUNKINSON

Q I want to continue with that before I ask

my other questions I apologize because Im the

layperson here so I have a lot of -shy

THE CHAIR Mr Catalano has pointed that

out

Q I want to make sure I understand this

because I just -- Im very confused about the

conversation with you and your wife and what the

judges have asked Page 61 this is your quote not

Schneiders I probably told her -- I may have

told her that you know Steves filed a motion to

recuse based on that conversation What L

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conversation are we talking about Is that not the

phone conversation that were talking about

A Right That would have been the phone

conversation

Q So at that point which is at your lunch

or before your lunch your wife knew what you were

going to be asking her to do Because you then

say -- or Mr Schneider says on 62 There was a

communication of the fact that quote Weve got

another one of these Would you mind coming to

testify And you again said That was probably

exactly what was saiq

A I didnt remember specifically what I had

told her I mean if you look at Line 17 on 61 I

say I probably told her and then I say I may have

told her I didnt remember exactly what I told

her I just know that I told her I was doing a

motion to recuse at 130 and if she could come back

and specifically I didnt remember

Q All right So those statements you -shy

are you now saying that those statements are not

correct Is that what youre saying

A No Im saying -shy

Q Are you retracting those

A -- I may have told her I probably -- I

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dont remember specifically Certainly today I

dont remember specifically what I told her a year

and a half ago

Q I understand

A But when this happened when I gave this

statement and I think it was November -- yeah

November I wasnt a hundred percent what I told

her August 6th

Q All right Well the only point is you

know in her testimony yesterday as well as yours

both of you denied that you had any conversation

about it

A No I asked her to come back at 130

Q She claimed she knew nothing about what

it was about

A She didnt know I was going to be calling

her as

Q Implied that she did

A -- a witness

THE CHAIR Lets each of you finish

talking and the other can answer

Q All right Question the motion to

recuse again I dont know this but I have a

limited understanding -- can it not be the lawyer

that has an issue with you in addition to the

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I didnt study this disquaiification and

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judicial college two years earlier You know

I -- its impossible to know everything they

teach you at judicial college They give you

2000 pages worth of material for Session A

they give you 2000 pages of material for

Session B and were going to make mistakes

THE CHAIR I hate to interrupt When

did you go to judicial college

THE RE$PONDENT I went March I guess

2007 and -shy

THE CHAIR Did you just put these in a

closet and not read them

I mean I dont want to hear 2000

pages

Im sorry Judge

JUDGE SILBERMAN As ~e sit heremiddot today

do you agree that you violated Canons 3 3 (b)

the provisions that we went through

THE RESPONDENT Ye~

JUDGE SILBERMAN Canon 2(a) A Judge

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JUDGE SILBERMAN Do you believe t~a t

yqur conduct is in violation of Canon 2(a)

THE RESPONDENT yemiddots bull

don t believe was on the nmiddototice of

investigation but I do think it s pertinent i

UA judge smiddothall not allow f amily smiddotocial

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Do you think that someone cmiddotould look at

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pzolgtlem with 2 (b) as wellmiddot II

THE RESPONDENT You know I just -- Im

going to say yes I just -- you know I made

it very careful that I would not -- I didnt

comment on my wifes testimony I didnt say

liMy wife is right and youre wrong I believe

my wife II I just -- I didnt go anywhere near

there I just backed off and said IIIm not

making any rulings Your motions granted

I just tried to clear this matter up We

were friends before And thats what I did

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JUDGE FREEMAN So they were not trying

to participate Right

THE RESPONDENT No No they werent

trying to participate

JUDGE FREEMAN Had the State Attorneys

Office ever request that you have that hearing

THE RESPONDENT No

JUDGE FREEMAN Had the State Attorneys

Office ever objected to the motion to recuse

THE RESPONDENT No

JUDGE FREEMAN Thank you

THE CHAIR Mr Morales

MR MORALES Your Honor one thing

Obviously whats legally sufficient for a

layperson I dont -- Ill leave that to the

judges and the lawyers but the fact that you

happened to go t~lunch with your wife that day

and you said Oh why dont you come on by

Were going to have this little hearing do

you think thats appropriate

THE RESPONDENT I didnt I dont -shy

its not -- the whole thing is not appropriate

The fact that I had the hearing I know is not

appropriate Probably not

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Hey Im going to have a hearing after lunch

Why dont you come by and testify

THE RESPONDENT No

MR MORALES Okay You thought you

should have had this hearing

THE RESPONDENT At the time yes now

no But-shy

MR MORALES Youre going to take a

li~t~e time the next time and think about what

youre doing

THE RESPONDENT It wasnt my intent -shy

you have to understand it wasnt my intent I

wouldnt have called the guy like a couple of

days later and said Im sorry I told him

the whole thing blew up My intent was just to

repair a friendship I just

MR MORALES Repairing your f~iendship

seems to work a lot better when youre sitti~g

down talking to somebody over a cold beer or -shy

either that or just sitting in your chambers

Hey lets talk about this

THE RESPONDENT I know But if it goes

bad then theyre saying youre berating them

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JUDGE SILVERNAIL Well is that the only

reason you think it was inappropriate

THE RESPONDENT I do think his motion

was legally insufficient and I should have

just denied it as legally insufficient and

closed the book on that case

JUDGE SILVERNAIL Okay That answers my

questions Thank you

THE RESPONDENT Okay Thank you

THE CHAIR Anybody anything else

Judge do you want to close wrap up

THE RESPONDENT No I -- I do I do

At the time I held the hearing I thought

I had the right to hold the hearing based on my

misinterpretation on what I learned at judge

school I knew that I had to grant the motion

just by the fact that I held the hearing

When I came in her~ today I legally

still think I could have held the hearing but

for different reasons because the motion was

legally insufficient based on the case law and

the research that Ive done I didnt think

about the questions that you all have posed me

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theres no way she knew because I dont discuss

these things with her I just sign them and go on

I dont give my wife a recount of everything I do

every day

Q I thought a minute ago you said you had

some discussions with her -shy

A Maybe when he first filed it a year and a

half earlier but since then I never

Q Well she was aware that he had accused

her of threatening him in at least one motion to

recuse

A Yeah

Q Okay

A Yeah Yeah

Q And that - - the way Mr Schneider phrased

it he said Was there communication to the fact

that quote unquote weve got another one of

those Would you mind coming to testify

A Well those arent my words Those are

Mr Schneiders

Q They are but you said that was probably

exactly what was said

A The substance You know its -- I -- I

dont know

Q Seems like you adopted his words there

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A Those arent my words I mean I dont

use those words But I said Can you come back

You know Im doing a hearing on Melnicks motion to

recuse

Q But you did ask her to come to court and

she did know that she was coming to court to talk

about the motion

A I dont think she knew that she was going

to be testifying but she knew she was coming to

court and it was on Melnicks motion

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EXAMINATION

BY MR DUNKINSON

Q I want to continue with that before I ask

my other questions I apologize because Im the

layperson here so I have a lot of -shy

THE CHAIR Mr Catalano has pointed that

out

Q I want to make sure I understand this

because I just -- Im very confused about the

conversation with you and your wife and what the

judges have asked Page 61 this is your quote not

Schneiders I probably told her -- I may have

told her that you know Steves filed a motion to

recuse based on that conversation What L

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conversation are we talking about Is that not the

phone conversation that were talking about

A Right That would have been the phone

conversation

Q So at that point which is at your lunch

or before your lunch your wife knew what you were

going to be asking her to do Because you then

say -- or Mr Schneider says on 62 There was a

communication of the fact that quote Weve got

another one of these Would you mind coming to

testify And you again said That was probably

exactly what was saiq

A I didnt remember specifically what I had

told her I mean if you look at Line 17 on 61 I

say I probably told her and then I say I may have

told her I didnt remember exactly what I told

her I just know that I told her I was doing a

motion to recuse at 130 and if she could come back

and specifically I didnt remember

Q All right So those statements you -shy

are you now saying that those statements are not

correct Is that what youre saying

A No Im saying -shy

Q Are you retracting those

A -- I may have told her I probably -- I

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dont remember specifically what I told her a year

and a half ago

Q I understand

A But when this happened when I gave this

statement and I think it was November -- yeah

November I wasnt a hundred percent what I told

her August 6th

Q All right Well the only point is you

know in her testimony yesterday as well as yours

both of you denied that you had any conversation

about it

A No I asked her to come back at 130

Q She claimed she knew nothing about what

it was about

A She didnt know I was going to be calling

her as

Q Implied that she did

A -- a witness

THE CHAIR Lets each of you finish

talking and the other can answer

Q All right Question the motion to

recuse again I dont know this but I have a

limited understanding -- can it not be the lawyer

that has an issue with you in addition to the

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judicial college two years earlier You know

I -- its impossible to know everything they

teach you at judicial college They give you

2000 pages worth of material for Session A

they give you 2000 pages of material for

Session B and were going to make mistakes

THE CHAIR I hate to interrupt When

did you go to judicial college

THE RE$PONDENT I went March I guess

2007 and -shy

THE CHAIR Did you just put these in a

closet and not read them

I mean I dont want to hear 2000

pages

Im sorry Judge

JUDGE SILBERMAN As ~e sit heremiddot today

do you agree that you violated Canons 3 3 (b)

the provisions that we went through

THE RESPONDENT Ye~

JUDGE SILBERMAN Canon 2(a) A Judge

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JUDGE SILBERMAN Do you believe t~a t

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THE RESPONDENT yemiddots bull

don t believe was on the nmiddototice of

investigation but I do think it s pertinent i

UA judge smiddothall not allow f amily smiddotocial

pcgtlitical or other relationshipmiddotsmiddot to influente

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Do you think that someone cmiddotould look at

Y9u r conduct and say 11 Sounds like there s a

pzolgtlem with 2 (b) as wellmiddot II

THE RESPONDENT You know I just -- Im

going to say yes I just -- you know I made

it very careful that I would not -- I didnt

comment on my wifes testimony I didnt say

liMy wife is right and youre wrong I believe

my wife II I just -- I didnt go anywhere near

there I just backed off and said IIIm not

making any rulings Your motions granted

I just tried to clear this matter up We

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JUDGE FREEMAN So they were not trying

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THE RESPONDENT No No they werent

trying to participate

JUDGE FREEMAN Had the State Attorneys

Office ever request that you have that hearing

THE RESPONDENT No

JUDGE FREEMAN Had the State Attorneys

Office ever objected to the motion to recuse

THE RESPONDENT No

JUDGE FREEMAN Thank you

THE CHAIR Mr Morales

MR MORALES Your Honor one thing

Obviously whats legally sufficient for a

layperson I dont -- Ill leave that to the

judges and the lawyers but the fact that you

happened to go t~lunch with your wife that day

and you said Oh why dont you come on by

Were going to have this little hearing do

you think thats appropriate

THE RESPONDENT I didnt I dont -shy

its not -- the whole thing is not appropriate

The fact that I had the hearing I know is not

appropriate Probably not

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Why dont you come by and testify

THE RESPONDENT No

MR MORALES Okay You thought you

should have had this hearing

THE RESPONDENT At the time yes now

no But-shy

MR MORALES Youre going to take a

li~t~e time the next time and think about what

youre doing

THE RESPONDENT It wasnt my intent -shy

you have to understand it wasnt my intent I

wouldnt have called the guy like a couple of

days later and said Im sorry I told him

the whole thing blew up My intent was just to

repair a friendship I just

MR MORALES Repairing your f~iendship

seems to work a lot better when youre sitti~g

down talking to somebody over a cold beer or -shy

either that or just sitting in your chambers

Hey lets talk about this

THE RESPONDENT I know But if it goes

bad then theyre saying youre berating them

in chambers I just should have let it go and

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reason you think it was inappropriate

THE RESPONDENT I do think his motion

was legally insufficient and I should have

just denied it as legally insufficient and

closed the book on that case

JUDGE SILVERNAIL Okay That answers my

questions Thank you

THE RESPONDENT Okay Thank you

THE CHAIR Anybody anything else

Judge do you want to close wrap up

THE RESPONDENT No I -- I do I do

At the time I held the hearing I thought

I had the right to hold the hearing based on my

misinterpretation on what I learned at judge

school I knew that I had to grant the motion

just by the fact that I held the hearing

When I came in her~ today I legally

still think I could have held the hearing but

for different reasons because the motion was

legally insufficient based on the case law and

the research that Ive done I didnt think

about the questions that you all have posed me

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A Those arent my words I mean I dont

use those words But I said Can you come back

You know Im doing a hearing on Melnicks motion to

recuse

Q But you did ask her to come to court and

she did know that she was coming to court to talk

about the motion

A I dont think she knew that she was going

to be testifying but she knew she was coming to

court and it was on Melnicks motion

JUDGE WARREN Nothing r

EXAMINATION

BY MR DUNKINSON

Q I want to continue with that before I ask

my other questions I apologize because Im the

layperson here so I have a lot of -shy

THE CHAIR Mr Catalano has pointed that

out

Q I want to make sure I understand this

because I just -- Im very confused about the

conversation with you and your wife and what the

judges have asked Page 61 this is your quote not

Schneiders I probably told her -- I may have

told her that you know Steves filed a motion to

recuse based on that conversation What L

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conversation are we talking about Is that not the

phone conversation that were talking about

A Right That would have been the phone

conversation

Q So at that point which is at your lunch

or before your lunch your wife knew what you were

going to be asking her to do Because you then

say -- or Mr Schneider says on 62 There was a

communication of the fact that quote Weve got

another one of these Would you mind coming to

testify And you again said That was probably

exactly what was saiq

A I didnt remember specifically what I had

told her I mean if you look at Line 17 on 61 I

say I probably told her and then I say I may have

told her I didnt remember exactly what I told

her I just know that I told her I was doing a

motion to recuse at 130 and if she could come back

and specifically I didnt remember

Q All right So those statements you -shy

are you now saying that those statements are not

correct Is that what youre saying

A No Im saying -shy

Q Are you retracting those

A -- I may have told her I probably -- I

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dont remember specifically Certainly today I

dont remember specifically what I told her a year

and a half ago

Q I understand

A But when this happened when I gave this

statement and I think it was November -- yeah

November I wasnt a hundred percent what I told

her August 6th

Q All right Well the only point is you

know in her testimony yesterday as well as yours

both of you denied that you had any conversation

about it

A No I asked her to come back at 130

Q She claimed she knew nothing about what

it was about

A She didnt know I was going to be calling

her as

Q Implied that she did

A -- a witness

THE CHAIR Lets each of you finish

talking and the other can answer

Q All right Question the motion to

recuse again I dont know this but I have a

limited understanding -- can it not be the lawyer

that has an issue with you in addition to the

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disclosure I justwent by what I learned at

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I -- its impossible to know everything they

teach you at judicial college They give you

2000 pages worth of material for Session A

they give you 2000 pages of material for

Session B and were going to make mistakes

THE CHAIR I hate to interrupt When

did you go to judicial college

THE RE$PONDENT I went March I guess

2007 and -shy

THE CHAIR Did you just put these in a

closet and not read them

I mean I dont want to hear 2000

pages

Im sorry Judge

JUDGE SILBERMAN As ~e sit heremiddot today

do you agree that you violated Canons 3 3 (b)

the provisions that we went through

THE RESPONDENT Ye~

JUDGE SILBERMAN Canon 2(a) A Judge

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JUDGE SILBERMAN Do you believe t~a t

yqur conduct is in violation of Canon 2(a)

THE RESPONDENT yemiddots bull

don t believe was on the nmiddototice of

investigation but I do think it s pertinent i

UA judge smiddothall not allow f amily smiddotocial

pcgtlitical or other relationshipmiddotsmiddot to influente

t~e judges judicial conduct or judgmenmiddott II

Do you think that someone cmiddotould look at

Y9u r conduct and say 11 Sounds like there s a

pzolgtlem with 2 (b) as wellmiddot II

THE RESPONDENT You know I just -- Im

going to say yes I just -- you know I made

it very careful that I would not -- I didnt

comment on my wifes testimony I didnt say

liMy wife is right and youre wrong I believe

my wife II I just -- I didnt go anywhere near

there I just backed off and said IIIm not

making any rulings Your motions granted

I just tried to clear this matter up We

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JUDGE FREEMAN So they were not trying

to participate Right

THE RESPONDENT No No they werent

trying to participate

JUDGE FREEMAN Had the State Attorneys

Office ever request that you have that hearing

THE RESPONDENT No

JUDGE FREEMAN Had the State Attorneys

Office ever objected to the motion to recuse

THE RESPONDENT No

JUDGE FREEMAN Thank you

THE CHAIR Mr Morales

MR MORALES Your Honor one thing

Obviously whats legally sufficient for a

layperson I dont -- Ill leave that to the

judges and the lawyers but the fact that you

happened to go t~lunch with your wife that day

and you said Oh why dont you come on by

Were going to have this little hearing do

you think thats appropriate

THE RESPONDENT I didnt I dont -shy

its not -- the whole thing is not appropriate

The fact that I had the hearing I know is not

appropriate Probably not

MR MORALES Have you ever heard of

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Hey Im going to have a hearing after lunch

Why dont you come by and testify

THE RESPONDENT No

MR MORALES Okay You thought you

should have had this hearing

THE RESPONDENT At the time yes now

no But-shy

MR MORALES Youre going to take a

li~t~e time the next time and think about what

youre doing

THE RESPONDENT It wasnt my intent -shy

you have to understand it wasnt my intent I

wouldnt have called the guy like a couple of

days later and said Im sorry I told him

the whole thing blew up My intent was just to

repair a friendship I just

MR MORALES Repairing your f~iendship

seems to work a lot better when youre sitti~g

down talking to somebody over a cold beer or -shy

either that or just sitting in your chambers

Hey lets talk about this

THE RESPONDENT I know But if it goes

bad then theyre saying youre berating them

in chambers I just should have let it go and

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JUDGE SILVERNAIL Well is that the only

reason you think it was inappropriate

THE RESPONDENT I do think his motion

was legally insufficient and I should have

just denied it as legally insufficient and

closed the book on that case

JUDGE SILVERNAIL Okay That answers my

questions Thank you

THE RESPONDENT Okay Thank you

THE CHAIR Anybody anything else

Judge do you want to close wrap up

THE RESPONDENT No I -- I do I do

At the time I held the hearing I thought

I had the right to hold the hearing based on my

misinterpretation on what I learned at judge

school I knew that I had to grant the motion

just by the fact that I held the hearing

When I came in her~ today I legally

still think I could have held the hearing but

for different reasons because the motion was

legally insufficient based on the case law and

the research that Ive done I didnt think

about the questions that you all have posed me

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conversation are we talking about Is that not the

phone conversation that were talking about

A Right That would have been the phone

conversation

Q So at that point which is at your lunch

or before your lunch your wife knew what you were

going to be asking her to do Because you then

say -- or Mr Schneider says on 62 There was a

communication of the fact that quote Weve got

another one of these Would you mind coming to

testify And you again said That was probably

exactly what was saiq

A I didnt remember specifically what I had

told her I mean if you look at Line 17 on 61 I

say I probably told her and then I say I may have

told her I didnt remember exactly what I told

her I just know that I told her I was doing a

motion to recuse at 130 and if she could come back

and specifically I didnt remember

Q All right So those statements you -shy

are you now saying that those statements are not

correct Is that what youre saying

A No Im saying -shy

Q Are you retracting those

A -- I may have told her I probably -- I

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dont remember specifically Certainly today I

dont remember specifically what I told her a year

and a half ago

Q I understand

A But when this happened when I gave this

statement and I think it was November -- yeah

November I wasnt a hundred percent what I told

her August 6th

Q All right Well the only point is you

know in her testimony yesterday as well as yours

both of you denied that you had any conversation

about it

A No I asked her to come back at 130

Q She claimed she knew nothing about what

it was about

A She didnt know I was going to be calling

her as

Q Implied that she did

A -- a witness

THE CHAIR Lets each of you finish

talking and the other can answer

Q All right Question the motion to

recuse again I dont know this but I have a

limited understanding -- can it not be the lawyer

that has an issue with you in addition to the

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I -- its impossible to know everything they

teach you at judicial college They give you

2000 pages worth of material for Session A

they give you 2000 pages of material for

Session B and were going to make mistakes

THE CHAIR I hate to interrupt When

did you go to judicial college

THE RE$PONDENT I went March I guess

2007 and -shy

THE CHAIR Did you just put these in a

closet and not read them

I mean I dont want to hear 2000

pages

Im sorry Judge

JUDGE SILBERMAN As ~e sit heremiddot today

do you agree that you violated Canons 3 3 (b)

the provisions that we went through

THE RESPONDENT Ye~

JUDGE SILBERMAN Canon 2(a) A Judge

sha-lmiddotl relJpect and aomply wi-th the Lawmiddot and sha]l

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JUDGE SILBERMAN Do you believe t~a t

yqur conduct is in violation of Canon 2(a)

THE RESPONDENT yemiddots bull

don t believe was on the nmiddototice of

investigation but I do think it s pertinent i

UA judge smiddothall not allow f amily smiddotocial

pcgtlitical or other relationshipmiddotsmiddot to influente

t~e judges judicial conduct or judgmenmiddott II

Do you think that someone cmiddotould look at

Y9u r conduct and say 11 Sounds like there s a

pzolgtlem with 2 (b) as wellmiddot II

THE RESPONDENT You know I just -- Im

going to say yes I just -- you know I made

it very careful that I would not -- I didnt

comment on my wifes testimony I didnt say

liMy wife is right and youre wrong I believe

my wife II I just -- I didnt go anywhere near

there I just backed off and said IIIm not

making any rulings Your motions granted

I just tried to clear this matter up We

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JUDGE FREEMAN So they were not trying

to participate Right

THE RESPONDENT No No they werent

trying to participate

JUDGE FREEMAN Had the State Attorneys

Office ever request that you have that hearing

THE RESPONDENT No

JUDGE FREEMAN Had the State Attorneys

Office ever objected to the motion to recuse

THE RESPONDENT No

JUDGE FREEMAN Thank you

THE CHAIR Mr Morales

MR MORALES Your Honor one thing

Obviously whats legally sufficient for a

layperson I dont -- Ill leave that to the

judges and the lawyers but the fact that you

happened to go t~lunch with your wife that day

and you said Oh why dont you come on by

Were going to have this little hearing do

you think thats appropriate

THE RESPONDENT I didnt I dont -shy

its not -- the whole thing is not appropriate

The fact that I had the hearing I know is not

appropriate Probably not

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Hey Im going to have a hearing after lunch

Why dont you come by and testify

THE RESPONDENT No

MR MORALES Okay You thought you

should have had this hearing

THE RESPONDENT At the time yes now

no But-shy

MR MORALES Youre going to take a

li~t~e time the next time and think about what

youre doing

THE RESPONDENT It wasnt my intent -shy

you have to understand it wasnt my intent I

wouldnt have called the guy like a couple of

days later and said Im sorry I told him

the whole thing blew up My intent was just to

repair a friendship I just

MR MORALES Repairing your f~iendship

seems to work a lot better when youre sitti~g

down talking to somebody over a cold beer or -shy

either that or just sitting in your chambers

Hey lets talk about this

THE RESPONDENT I know But if it goes

bad then theyre saying youre berating them

in chambers I just should have let it go and

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JUDGE SILVERNAIL Well is that the only

reason you think it was inappropriate

THE RESPONDENT I do think his motion

was legally insufficient and I should have

just denied it as legally insufficient and

closed the book on that case

JUDGE SILVERNAIL Okay That answers my

questions Thank you

THE RESPONDENT Okay Thank you

THE CHAIR Anybody anything else

Judge do you want to close wrap up

THE RESPONDENT No I -- I do I do

At the time I held the hearing I thought

I had the right to hold the hearing based on my

misinterpretation on what I learned at judge

school I knew that I had to grant the motion

just by the fact that I held the hearing

When I came in her~ today I legally

still think I could have held the hearing but

for different reasons because the motion was

legally insufficient based on the case law and

the research that Ive done I didnt think

about the questions that you all have posed me

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dont remember specifically Certainly today I

dont remember specifically what I told her a year

and a half ago

Q I understand

A But when this happened when I gave this

statement and I think it was November -- yeah

November I wasnt a hundred percent what I told

her August 6th

Q All right Well the only point is you

know in her testimony yesterday as well as yours

both of you denied that you had any conversation

about it

A No I asked her to come back at 130

Q She claimed she knew nothing about what

it was about

A She didnt know I was going to be calling

her as

Q Implied that she did

A -- a witness

THE CHAIR Lets each of you finish

talking and the other can answer

Q All right Question the motion to

recuse again I dont know this but I have a

limited understanding -- can it not be the lawyer

that has an issue with you in addition to the

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disclosure I justwent by what I learned at

judicial college two years earlier You know

I -- its impossible to know everything they

teach you at judicial college They give you

2000 pages worth of material for Session A

they give you 2000 pages of material for

Session B and were going to make mistakes

THE CHAIR I hate to interrupt When

did you go to judicial college

THE RE$PONDENT I went March I guess

2007 and -shy

THE CHAIR Did you just put these in a

closet and not read them

I mean I dont want to hear 2000

pages

Im sorry Judge

JUDGE SILBERMAN As ~e sit heremiddot today

do you agree that you violated Canons 3 3 (b)

the provisions that we went through

THE RESPONDENT Ye~

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JUDGE SILBERMAN Do you believe t~a t

yqur conduct is in violation of Canon 2(a)

THE RESPONDENT yemiddots bull

don t believe was on the nmiddototice of

investigation but I do think it s pertinent i

UA judge smiddothall not allow f amily smiddotocial

pcgtlitical or other relationshipmiddotsmiddot to influente

t~e judges judicial conduct or judgmenmiddott II

Do you think that someone cmiddotould look at

Y9u r conduct and say 11 Sounds like there s a

pzolgtlem with 2 (b) as wellmiddot II

THE RESPONDENT You know I just -- Im

going to say yes I just -- you know I made

it very careful that I would not -- I didnt

comment on my wifes testimony I didnt say

liMy wife is right and youre wrong I believe

my wife II I just -- I didnt go anywhere near

there I just backed off and said IIIm not

making any rulings Your motions granted

I just tried to clear this matter up We

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JUDGE FREEMAN So they were not trying

to participate Right

THE RESPONDENT No No they werent

trying to participate

JUDGE FREEMAN Had the State Attorneys

Office ever request that you have that hearing

THE RESPONDENT No

JUDGE FREEMAN Had the State Attorneys

Office ever objected to the motion to recuse

THE RESPONDENT No

JUDGE FREEMAN Thank you

THE CHAIR Mr Morales

MR MORALES Your Honor one thing

Obviously whats legally sufficient for a

layperson I dont -- Ill leave that to the

judges and the lawyers but the fact that you

happened to go t~lunch with your wife that day

and you said Oh why dont you come on by

Were going to have this little hearing do

you think thats appropriate

THE RESPONDENT I didnt I dont -shy

its not -- the whole thing is not appropriate

The fact that I had the hearing I know is not

appropriate Probably not

MR MORALES Have you ever heard of

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Why dont you come by and testify

THE RESPONDENT No

MR MORALES Okay You thought you

should have had this hearing

THE RESPONDENT At the time yes now

no But-shy

MR MORALES Youre going to take a

li~t~e time the next time and think about what

youre doing

THE RESPONDENT It wasnt my intent -shy

you have to understand it wasnt my intent I

wouldnt have called the guy like a couple of

days later and said Im sorry I told him

the whole thing blew up My intent was just to

repair a friendship I just

MR MORALES Repairing your f~iendship

seems to work a lot better when youre sitti~g

down talking to somebody over a cold beer or -shy

either that or just sitting in your chambers

Hey lets talk about this

THE RESPONDENT I know But if it goes

bad then theyre saying youre berating them

in chambers I just should have let it go and

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JUDGE SILVERNAIL Well is that the only

reason you think it was inappropriate

THE RESPONDENT I do think his motion

was legally insufficient and I should have

just denied it as legally insufficient and

closed the book on that case

JUDGE SILVERNAIL Okay That answers my

questions Thank you

THE RESPONDENT Okay Thank you

THE CHAIR Anybody anything else

Judge do you want to close wrap up

THE RESPONDENT No I -- I do I do

At the time I held the hearing I thought

I had the right to hold the hearing based on my

misinterpretation on what I learned at judge

school I knew that I had to grant the motion

just by the fact that I held the hearing

When I came in her~ today I legally

still think I could have held the hearing but

for different reasons because the motion was

legally insufficient based on the case law and

the research that Ive done I didnt think

about the questions that you all have posed me

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I didnt study this disquaiification and

disclosure I justwent by what I learned at

judicial college two years earlier You know

I -- its impossible to know everything they

teach you at judicial college They give you

2000 pages worth of material for Session A

they give you 2000 pages of material for

Session B and were going to make mistakes

THE CHAIR I hate to interrupt When

did you go to judicial college

THE RE$PONDENT I went March I guess

2007 and -shy

THE CHAIR Did you just put these in a

closet and not read them

I mean I dont want to hear 2000

pages

Im sorry Judge

JUDGE SILBERMAN As ~e sit heremiddot today

do you agree that you violated Canons 3 3 (b)

the provisions that we went through

THE RESPONDENT Ye~

JUDGE SILBERMAN Canon 2(a) A Judge

sha-lmiddotl relJpect and aomply wi-th the Lawmiddot and sha]l

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JUDGE SILBERMAN Do you believe t~a t

yqur conduct is in violation of Canon 2(a)

THE RESPONDENT yemiddots bull

don t believe was on the nmiddototice of

investigation but I do think it s pertinent i

UA judge smiddothall not allow f amily smiddotocial

pcgtlitical or other relationshipmiddotsmiddot to influente

t~e judges judicial conduct or judgmenmiddott II

Do you think that someone cmiddotould look at

Y9u r conduct and say 11 Sounds like there s a

pzolgtlem with 2 (b) as wellmiddot II

THE RESPONDENT You know I just -- Im

going to say yes I just -- you know I made

it very careful that I would not -- I didnt

comment on my wifes testimony I didnt say

liMy wife is right and youre wrong I believe

my wife II I just -- I didnt go anywhere near

there I just backed off and said IIIm not

making any rulings Your motions granted

I just tried to clear this matter up We

were friends before And thats what I did

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JUDGE FREEMAN So they were not trying

to participate Right

THE RESPONDENT No No they werent

trying to participate

JUDGE FREEMAN Had the State Attorneys

Office ever request that you have that hearing

THE RESPONDENT No

JUDGE FREEMAN Had the State Attorneys

Office ever objected to the motion to recuse

THE RESPONDENT No

JUDGE FREEMAN Thank you

THE CHAIR Mr Morales

MR MORALES Your Honor one thing

Obviously whats legally sufficient for a

layperson I dont -- Ill leave that to the

judges and the lawyers but the fact that you

happened to go t~lunch with your wife that day

and you said Oh why dont you come on by

Were going to have this little hearing do

you think thats appropriate

THE RESPONDENT I didnt I dont -shy

its not -- the whole thing is not appropriate

The fact that I had the hearing I know is not

appropriate Probably not

MR MORALES Have you ever heard of

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Hey Im going to have a hearing after lunch

Why dont you come by and testify

THE RESPONDENT No

MR MORALES Okay You thought you

should have had this hearing

THE RESPONDENT At the time yes now

no But-shy

MR MORALES Youre going to take a

li~t~e time the next time and think about what

youre doing

THE RESPONDENT It wasnt my intent -shy

you have to understand it wasnt my intent I

wouldnt have called the guy like a couple of

days later and said Im sorry I told him

the whole thing blew up My intent was just to

repair a friendship I just

MR MORALES Repairing your f~iendship

seems to work a lot better when youre sitti~g

down talking to somebody over a cold beer or -shy

either that or just sitting in your chambers

Hey lets talk about this

THE RESPONDENT I know But if it goes

bad then theyre saying youre berating them

in chambers I just should have let it go and

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JUDGE SILVERNAIL Well is that the only

reason you think it was inappropriate

THE RESPONDENT I do think his motion

was legally insufficient and I should have

just denied it as legally insufficient and

closed the book on that case

JUDGE SILVERNAIL Okay That answers my

questions Thank you

THE RESPONDENT Okay Thank you

THE CHAIR Anybody anything else

Judge do you want to close wrap up

THE RESPONDENT No I -- I do I do

At the time I held the hearing I thought

I had the right to hold the hearing based on my

misinterpretation on what I learned at judge

school I knew that I had to grant the motion

just by the fact that I held the hearing

When I came in her~ today I legally

still think I could have held the hearing but

for different reasons because the motion was

legally insufficient based on the case law and

the research that Ive done I didnt think

about the questions that you all have posed me

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I didnt study this disquaiification and

disclosure I justwent by what I learned at

judicial college two years earlier You know

I -- its impossible to know everything they

teach you at judicial college They give you

2000 pages worth of material for Session A

they give you 2000 pages of material for

Session B and were going to make mistakes

THE CHAIR I hate to interrupt When

did you go to judicial college

THE RE$PONDENT I went March I guess

2007 and -shy

THE CHAIR Did you just put these in a

closet and not read them

I mean I dont want to hear 2000

pages

Im sorry Judge

JUDGE SILBERMAN As ~e sit heremiddot today

do you agree that you violated Canons 3 3 (b)

the provisions that we went through

THE RESPONDENT Ye~

JUDGE SILBERMAN Canon 2(a) A Judge

sha-lmiddotl relJpect and aomply wi-th the Lawmiddot and sha]l

public conpoundidence and the integrity and ~

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JUDGE SILBERMAN Do you believe t~a t

yqur conduct is in violation of Canon 2(a)

THE RESPONDENT yemiddots bull

don t believe was on the nmiddototice of

investigation but I do think it s pertinent i

UA judge smiddothall not allow f amily smiddotocial

pcgtlitical or other relationshipmiddotsmiddot to influente

t~e judges judicial conduct or judgmenmiddott II

Do you think that someone cmiddotould look at

Y9u r conduct and say 11 Sounds like there s a

pzolgtlem with 2 (b) as wellmiddot II

THE RESPONDENT You know I just -- Im

going to say yes I just -- you know I made

it very careful that I would not -- I didnt

comment on my wifes testimony I didnt say

liMy wife is right and youre wrong I believe

my wife II I just -- I didnt go anywhere near

there I just backed off and said IIIm not

making any rulings Your motions granted

I just tried to clear this matter up We

were friends before And thats what I did

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JUDGE FREEMAN So they were not trying

to participate Right

THE RESPONDENT No No they werent

trying to participate

JUDGE FREEMAN Had the State Attorneys

Office ever request that you have that hearing

THE RESPONDENT No

JUDGE FREEMAN Had the State Attorneys

Office ever objected to the motion to recuse

THE RESPONDENT No

JUDGE FREEMAN Thank you

THE CHAIR Mr Morales

MR MORALES Your Honor one thing

Obviously whats legally sufficient for a

layperson I dont -- Ill leave that to the

judges and the lawyers but the fact that you

happened to go t~lunch with your wife that day

and you said Oh why dont you come on by

Were going to have this little hearing do

you think thats appropriate

THE RESPONDENT I didnt I dont -shy

its not -- the whole thing is not appropriate

The fact that I had the hearing I know is not

appropriate Probably not

MR MORALES Have you ever heard of

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Hey Im going to have a hearing after lunch

Why dont you come by and testify

THE RESPONDENT No

MR MORALES Okay You thought you

should have had this hearing

THE RESPONDENT At the time yes now

no But-shy

MR MORALES Youre going to take a

li~t~e time the next time and think about what

youre doing

THE RESPONDENT It wasnt my intent -shy

you have to understand it wasnt my intent I

wouldnt have called the guy like a couple of

days later and said Im sorry I told him

the whole thing blew up My intent was just to

repair a friendship I just

MR MORALES Repairing your f~iendship

seems to work a lot better when youre sitti~g

down talking to somebody over a cold beer or -shy

either that or just sitting in your chambers

Hey lets talk about this

THE RESPONDENT I know But if it goes

bad then theyre saying youre berating them

in chambers I just should have let it go and

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JUDGE SILVERNAIL Well is that the only

reason you think it was inappropriate

THE RESPONDENT I do think his motion

was legally insufficient and I should have

just denied it as legally insufficient and

closed the book on that case

JUDGE SILVERNAIL Okay That answers my

questions Thank you

THE RESPONDENT Okay Thank you

THE CHAIR Anybody anything else

Judge do you want to close wrap up

THE RESPONDENT No I -- I do I do

At the time I held the hearing I thought

I had the right to hold the hearing based on my

misinterpretation on what I learned at judge

school I knew that I had to grant the motion

just by the fact that I held the hearing

When I came in her~ today I legally

still think I could have held the hearing but

for different reasons because the motion was

legally insufficient based on the case law and

the research that Ive done I didnt think

about the questions that you all have posed me

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JUDGE SILBERMAN Do you believe t~a t

yqur conduct is in violation of Canon 2(a)

THE RESPONDENT yemiddots bull

don t believe was on the nmiddototice of

investigation but I do think it s pertinent i

UA judge smiddothall not allow f amily smiddotocial

pcgtlitical or other relationshipmiddotsmiddot to influente

t~e judges judicial conduct or judgmenmiddott II

Do you think that someone cmiddotould look at

Y9u r conduct and say 11 Sounds like there s a

pzolgtlem with 2 (b) as wellmiddot II

THE RESPONDENT You know I just -- Im

going to say yes I just -- you know I made

it very careful that I would not -- I didnt

comment on my wifes testimony I didnt say

liMy wife is right and youre wrong I believe

my wife II I just -- I didnt go anywhere near

there I just backed off and said IIIm not

making any rulings Your motions granted

I just tried to clear this matter up We

were friends before And thats what I did

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JUDGE FREEMAN So they were not trying

to participate Right

THE RESPONDENT No No they werent

trying to participate

JUDGE FREEMAN Had the State Attorneys

Office ever request that you have that hearing

THE RESPONDENT No

JUDGE FREEMAN Had the State Attorneys

Office ever objected to the motion to recuse

THE RESPONDENT No

JUDGE FREEMAN Thank you

THE CHAIR Mr Morales

MR MORALES Your Honor one thing

Obviously whats legally sufficient for a

layperson I dont -- Ill leave that to the

judges and the lawyers but the fact that you

happened to go t~lunch with your wife that day

and you said Oh why dont you come on by

Were going to have this little hearing do

you think thats appropriate

THE RESPONDENT I didnt I dont -shy

its not -- the whole thing is not appropriate

The fact that I had the hearing I know is not

appropriate Probably not

MR MORALES Have you ever heard of

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Why dont you come by and testify

THE RESPONDENT No

MR MORALES Okay You thought you

should have had this hearing

THE RESPONDENT At the time yes now

no But-shy

MR MORALES Youre going to take a

li~t~e time the next time and think about what

youre doing

THE RESPONDENT It wasnt my intent -shy

you have to understand it wasnt my intent I

wouldnt have called the guy like a couple of

days later and said Im sorry I told him

the whole thing blew up My intent was just to

repair a friendship I just

MR MORALES Repairing your f~iendship

seems to work a lot better when youre sitti~g

down talking to somebody over a cold beer or -shy

either that or just sitting in your chambers

Hey lets talk about this

THE RESPONDENT I know But if it goes

bad then theyre saying youre berating them

in chambers I just should have let it go and

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JUDGE SILVERNAIL Well is that the only

reason you think it was inappropriate

THE RESPONDENT I do think his motion

was legally insufficient and I should have

just denied it as legally insufficient and

closed the book on that case

JUDGE SILVERNAIL Okay That answers my

questions Thank you

THE RESPONDENT Okay Thank you

THE CHAIR Anybody anything else

Judge do you want to close wrap up

THE RESPONDENT No I -- I do I do

At the time I held the hearing I thought

I had the right to hold the hearing based on my

misinterpretation on what I learned at judge

school I knew that I had to grant the motion

just by the fact that I held the hearing

When I came in her~ today I legally

still think I could have held the hearing but

for different reasons because the motion was

legally insufficient based on the case law and

the research that Ive done I didnt think

about the questions that you all have posed me

~4ltgt~ ~g~e~ w~ tb rl~ge Smiddoti~~~middottlla~tmiddot tS~~_

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JUDGE FREEMAN So they were not trying

to participate Right

THE RESPONDENT No No they werent

trying to participate

JUDGE FREEMAN Had the State Attorneys

Office ever request that you have that hearing

THE RESPONDENT No

JUDGE FREEMAN Had the State Attorneys

Office ever objected to the motion to recuse

THE RESPONDENT No

JUDGE FREEMAN Thank you

THE CHAIR Mr Morales

MR MORALES Your Honor one thing

Obviously whats legally sufficient for a

layperson I dont -- Ill leave that to the

judges and the lawyers but the fact that you

happened to go t~lunch with your wife that day

and you said Oh why dont you come on by

Were going to have this little hearing do

you think thats appropriate

THE RESPONDENT I didnt I dont -shy

its not -- the whole thing is not appropriate

The fact that I had the hearing I know is not

appropriate Probably not

MR MORALES Have you ever heard of

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Hey Im going to have a hearing after lunch

Why dont you come by and testify

THE RESPONDENT No

MR MORALES Okay You thought you

should have had this hearing

THE RESPONDENT At the time yes now

no But-shy

MR MORALES Youre going to take a

li~t~e time the next time and think about what

youre doing

THE RESPONDENT It wasnt my intent -shy

you have to understand it wasnt my intent I

wouldnt have called the guy like a couple of

days later and said Im sorry I told him

the whole thing blew up My intent was just to

repair a friendship I just

MR MORALES Repairing your f~iendship

seems to work a lot better when youre sitti~g

down talking to somebody over a cold beer or -shy

either that or just sitting in your chambers

Hey lets talk about this

THE RESPONDENT I know But if it goes

bad then theyre saying youre berating them

in chambers I just should have let it go and

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JUDGE SILVERNAIL Well is that the only

reason you think it was inappropriate

THE RESPONDENT I do think his motion

was legally insufficient and I should have

just denied it as legally insufficient and

closed the book on that case

JUDGE SILVERNAIL Okay That answers my

questions Thank you

THE RESPONDENT Okay Thank you

THE CHAIR Anybody anything else

Judge do you want to close wrap up

THE RESPONDENT No I -- I do I do

At the time I held the hearing I thought

I had the right to hold the hearing based on my

misinterpretation on what I learned at judge

school I knew that I had to grant the motion

just by the fact that I held the hearing

When I came in her~ today I legally

still think I could have held the hearing but

for different reasons because the motion was

legally insufficient based on the case law and

the research that Ive done I didnt think

about the questions that you all have posed me

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Hey Im going to have a hearing after lunch

Why dont you come by and testify

THE RESPONDENT No

MR MORALES Okay You thought you

should have had this hearing

THE RESPONDENT At the time yes now

no But-shy

MR MORALES Youre going to take a

li~t~e time the next time and think about what

youre doing

THE RESPONDENT It wasnt my intent -shy

you have to understand it wasnt my intent I

wouldnt have called the guy like a couple of

days later and said Im sorry I told him

the whole thing blew up My intent was just to

repair a friendship I just

MR MORALES Repairing your f~iendship

seems to work a lot better when youre sitti~g

down talking to somebody over a cold beer or -shy

either that or just sitting in your chambers

Hey lets talk about this

THE RESPONDENT I know But if it goes

bad then theyre saying youre berating them

in chambers I just should have let it go and

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JUDGE SILVERNAIL Well is that the only

reason you think it was inappropriate

THE RESPONDENT I do think his motion

was legally insufficient and I should have

just denied it as legally insufficient and

closed the book on that case

JUDGE SILVERNAIL Okay That answers my

questions Thank you

THE RESPONDENT Okay Thank you

THE CHAIR Anybody anything else

Judge do you want to close wrap up

THE RESPONDENT No I -- I do I do

At the time I held the hearing I thought

I had the right to hold the hearing based on my

misinterpretation on what I learned at judge

school I knew that I had to grant the motion

just by the fact that I held the hearing

When I came in her~ today I legally

still think I could have held the hearing but

for different reasons because the motion was

legally insufficient based on the case law and

the research that Ive done I didnt think

about the questions that you all have posed me

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reason you think it was inappropriate

THE RESPONDENT I do think his motion

was legally insufficient and I should have

just denied it as legally insufficient and

closed the book on that case

JUDGE SILVERNAIL Okay That answers my

questions Thank you

THE RESPONDENT Okay Thank you

THE CHAIR Anybody anything else

Judge do you want to close wrap up

THE RESPONDENT No I -- I do I do

At the time I held the hearing I thought

I had the right to hold the hearing based on my

misinterpretation on what I learned at judge

school I knew that I had to grant the motion

just by the fact that I held the hearing

When I came in her~ today I legally

still think I could have held the hearing but

for different reasons because the motion was

legally insufficient based on the case law and

the research that Ive done I didnt think

about the questions that you all have posed me

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