NONDESTRUCTIVE TESTINGJUNE 2010

UNCONFIRMED MINUTESJUNE 21-24, 2010

GRAND COPTHORNE WATERFRONT HOTELSINGAPORE

These minutes are not final until confirmed by the Task Group in writing or by vote at a subsequent meeting. Information herein does not constitute a communication or recommendation from the Task Group and shall not be considered as such by any agency.

MONDAY, JUNE 21, 2010 to THURSDAY, JUNE 24, 2010

1.0 OPENING COMMENTS

1.1 Call to Order / Quorum Check

The Nondestructive Testing (NDT) Task Group was called to order at 9:00 a.m., 21-Jun-10.

It was verified that only SUBSCRIBER MEMBERS were in attendance during the closed portion of the meeting.

A quorum was established with the following representatives in attendance:

Subscriber Members/Participants Present (* Indicates Voting Member)

NAME COMPANY NAME

Ganasan Annamalai GE Aviation* Stephen Bauer Northrop Grumman* Alain Bouchet SAFRAN Group* Juergen Burchards MTU Aero Engines

FangMei Chu Honeywell Aerospace* Richard Costantino Goodrich Corporation* Chris Dootson BAE Systems* Greg Hall Cessna Aircraft Company* Robert Hogan Honeywell Aerospace Acting Secretary* Edward Hohman Bell Helicopter Textron Inc.* Phil Keown GE Aviation Chairperson* Serge Labbé Heroux-Devtek, Inc.

Choon Weng Leong GE Aviation* Ron Levi Lockheed Martin* Donald MacLean Raytheon Company

Zvis Nin Goodrich CorporationEarl Pruett Lockheed Martin

* Robert Rainone Goodrich Corporation* Carl Roche Textron Systems* Michael Shiplett Vought Aircraft* Andy Statham Rolls-Royce plc Vice Chairperson* Scott Sullivan Honeywell Aerospace* David Vaughn Spirit AeroSystems* Tony Warren Airbus

ChiChong Wong Rolls-Royce

Other Members/Participants Present (* Indicates Voting Member)

NAME COMPANY NAME

Muhammad Adharuddin CTRM Aero Composites

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Edison Alexander Singapore Aerospace Manufacturing Pte. Ltd.Andrew Glen Ang Setsco Services Pte. Ltd.Rovic Arceno Jr. Messier Services Asia Pte. Ltd.Claude Chambon Aubert et DuvalRobert Custer AAA Plating & Inspection, Inc.Fabienne DuFour Sherwin Babb Co.Dave Gray Mitchell LabsFook-Wing Raymond Ho Taikoo (Xiamen) Aircraft Eng. Co. LtdYue Lei Taikoo (Xiamen) Aircraft Eng. Co. LtdHendrich Lim SAESLZhang Tamson NANDTB-CNJason Wang NANDTB-CNWilfried Weber PFW Aerospace AGGary White Orbit Industry

PRI Staff Present

Mark AubelePhil Ford

1.3 Approval of Previous Meeting Minutes / RAIL Review – OPEN

Motion made by Andy Statham and seconded by David Vaughn to approve previous meeting minutes. Motion passed

The minutes from February 2010 were approved as written.

The Code of Ethics and Conflict of Interests statements were reviewed.

2.0 TASK GROUP REGULAR BUSINESS ITEMS - CLOSED

Auditor Observations

Thirteen audits were witnessed from February 2010 to June 2010, with 10 auditors being observed.

Nine auditors were deemed to conduct themselves in a manner the NDT Task Group expects.

One failed to meet expectations and requires corrective action to be taken.

ACTION ITEM: PRI Staff to take corrective action with the Auditor based on the observer’s comments. DUE DATE: 15-Oct-10

Sixteen of 44 auditors have been reviewed to date, with a total of 26 audits being witnessed. Others to be specifically selected so that more auditors will be observed.

ACTION ITEM: PRI Staff to specify Auditors that have not been reviewed. DUE DATE: 15-Oct-10

Two scope extension audits have been conducted.

Four Auditor Advisories have been issued by NDT since February 2010. These pertain to:

- Compliance documentation- Trainee eye exams & training outlines- Practical examination requirements- UT of Ti Rectangles

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There was a request to send future Auditor Advisories to all NDT Subscriber Voting Members (UVM) as they are issued. PRI Staff to assure this happens.

ACTION ITEM: PRI Staff to send future Auditor Advisories to all NDT UVM’s as they are issued. DUE DATE: 15-Oct-10

The new Supplier Advisory policy was discussed. In addition, NIP 7-04 is being revised to make Suppliers wait a minimum of 3 months after an accreditation is withdrawn due to an advisory and must demonstrate corrective action has been taken on-site at time of the new audit.

Four audits have lapsed in year-to-date out of 429.

NTGOP-001 Appendix 1 has been revised to include a succession plan for the Task Group Chair. Verbiage regarding scope changes and extended frequency have also been added to reflect the current Task Group practice.

A previous revision of the NTGOP-001 Appendix 1 added the use of individuals with a particular expertise who are not Task Group voting members in Ad-Hoc Committees. A list of these individuals was presented.

Motion made by Scott Sullivan and seconded by David Vaughn to remove Dave Salerno from the AC7114 sub-committee until such time as he is a voting member. Motion Passed

Motion made by David Vaughn and seconded by Scott Sullivan to approve the presented list of non-voting members that are listed under current Ad-Hoc Committees. Motion passed

Fangmei Chu was voted in as an Alternate Subscriber Voting Member for Honeywell Aerospace.

John Ellegood was approved as a new member of the Filmless Radiography Ad-Hoc Committee.

Graham Porter, Mike Jennings and Tom Dreher were approved as new members of the Eddy-Current Ad-Hoc Committee.

An Auditor interview is to be conducted on 22-Jun-10. Carl Roche, Mike Clark, Mike Shiplett, Greg Hall, Bob Hogan, Chris Dootson, Tony Warren and Alain Bouchet to participate.

3.0 TASK GROUP RESOLUTIONS AND CLOSED DISCUSSION POINTS – CLOSED

Shelf life of Non-Aqueous developer was placed on the cans at the request of the US Federal Government. AC7114/1 checklist to ensure an even coating. It is already included in the proper application.

For calibration of Gauss meters (Hall Effect Probe) over usable range, Helm Holtz coil is an accurate method to use.

DLM 1000 meter does not read in decimal points (2 ft candles could be 2.9). Made by Gould Bass.

The procurement of Mercury Vapor bulbs without the CE marking is an issue in Europe. Bulbs are imported from the USA.

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LED lights will be permitted as long as they are certified that they emit at a peak of 365 nanometers. Battery-operated lights need to be verified before and after use due to degradation of intensity due to battery life.

Magnetic Particle Testing (MT) Checklist issue, AC7114/2 paragraph 6.2.4: Use of an alternate test device such as TP 1-4. Some test pieces are go no go and the number of holes are not recorded. The use of alternate devices would be customer driven and the recording of results also depends upon customer requirements. The NDT Task Group decided to revise paragraph 6.2.4, Compliance Assessment Guidance to address this.

There was a request to revise NTGOP-001 Appendix 1 paragraph 6.2.1 to not have the Task Group vote on approval on straight accreditations. This request was denied.

Paragraph 3.1.1 was discussed. It was decided to leave as is; it is the Subscribers’ responsibility to send properly qualified personnel to the meetings.

There was a proposed revision to the Auditor Handbook regarding non-sustaining corrective actions. Some Task Groups go back 2 audits, while NDT goes back one. The NMC Standardization Sub-Committee is going to address.

30 to 60 gauss limits – Current ASTM-E-1444 has 30 gauss minimum and no maximum as long as you don’t saturate. Note: Some customers have upper limit restrictions. No change to affect the Nadcap checklist.

AC7114/4, paragraph 6.7.3 use of timer not addressed by supplier’s procedure. Eye adaptation time. Nothing stated in AC7114/4 that it has to be in procedure. NCR’s have been written. Task group decided to leave as is. Question doesn’t have to be in procedure as long as it does not specifically say it does.

Variation in purchased density strips (not uniform throughout the thickness) is an issue. Resolution: Take an average (minimum 3 areas) to achieve the density number for that particular density or designate the specific area the reading is to be taken.

AC7114/4 paragraph 5.6.17 – During verification of the densitometer calibration, are readings taken at a minimum of low, medium and high densities and are they within +- .05D of the density strip? This was intended to be non-prescriptive, Subscribers to add to supplements if you are more restrictive.

Baseline densities on initial chemistry change was discussed. Some suppliers adjust chemistry upon changed chemistry and some re-baseline. There is a potential to affect approved techniques if option 2 is used. Task Group to come up with consensus as to the acceptable method. RT sub-committee to address.

RT densitometer issue of moving the value of the areas on the working strip when the densitometer is re-calibrated, or re-establishing the Baseline was discussed. It is a common process utilized and it was decided not to incorporate this into the checklist.

ZL-56 issue of insufficient wetting was discussed. No conclusions were reached.

Staff to investigate number of NCRs on 18 and 24 month merit audits to facilitate developing criteria on losing merit.

ACTION ITEM: PRI Staff to investigate number of NCRs on 18 and 24 month merit audits. DUE DATE: 15-Oct-10

4.0 ETHICS AND APPEALS – CLOSED

NUCAP appeal discussed and decision reached.

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5.0 NEW BUSINESS – CLOSED

The NMC Standardization Sub-Committee is re-evaluating the deletion of the Auditor cover letter. The Task Group recommends keeping the cover letter separate from the audit, sending it to PRI separately. It will be made available to PRI Staff and Task Group Members. It needs to be in a format which makes the auditor feel comfortable in giving an honest assessment. Also, it should be a template form so that required information is given.

The NCR form (summary report) is repeatedly not filled out properly. The Task Group is going to look at changing the form to remove some questions and agreed to remove the observer comment as this is addressed in eAuditNet.

New Standardization guidelines were discussed. Task Groups need to fill out a Task Request Form and complete a Criteria Scoring Template before approaching the Standardization Sub-Committee on changes to a standard requirement.

When a Subscriber performs an audit of a Nadcap-accredited Supplier and finds nonconformances that should have been detected by the Nadcap Auditor, the Audit Report Comparison form must be filled out in order to determine if it is an auditor issue, if the checklist is not definitive enough or if Task Group/PRI Staff training is the issue. A sub-team was formed to review, including Phil Keown, Scott Sullivan, Jim Bennett, Andy Statham and David Vaughn.

ACTION ITEM: Sub-team to review Audit Report Comparison form. DUE DATE: 15-Oct-10

6.0 SUPPLEMENTS – CLOSED

Mark Aubele requested that Subscribers who have any new supplemental questions or wish to remove questions to please look at the ballot and comment. PRI Staff to make revisions to the supplements and send to supplement holders prior to the official ballot.

ACTION ITEM: PRI Staff to make revisions to the supplements and send to supplement holders prior to the official ballot. DUE DATE: 15-Oct-10

7.0 PRI REPORT / RAIL / NMC METRICS – OPEN

The NDT Staff Report was presented.

Staff delegation was presented and reviewed.

NDT RAIL item 14 regarding NDT ‘red’ cycle times was closed based on the fact that the last two reports were ‘yellow’ and then ‘green’. This was deemed an isolated occurrence. Gary White also wrote article in the June NDT Newsletter.

8.0 SUPPLIER REPORT & DISCUSSION – OPEN

Gary White presented the Supplier Support Committee report.

9.0 AD-HOC PANEL REPORTS – OPEN

The MRO Team hasn’t met yet. Look to the business case to see if viable. Sources that do R&O and OEM work need to be addressed. Bob Rainone is to set up meeting for team discussion. Team members include: Bob Rainone (Lead), Dave Vaughn, Andy Statham, Pete Torelli, Alain Bouchet, Scott Sullivan and Mike Gutridge.

ACTION ITEM: Bob Rainone to set up a meeting for the sub-team discussion. DUE DATE: 15-Oct-10

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The Filmless RT Ad-hoc Committee is waiting on MAI to give standard to ASTM; should be ready in October 2010 for ballot.

Phased Array – Training in October 2010 will cover checklist questions and some theory Composites and Metal will be covered. Composites has been developed; work still needs done for metals.

ACTION ITEM: Dave Vaughn to develop training for Phased Array Metals. DUE DATE: 15-Oct-10

NAS410/EN4179 – A final training session will be given 22-Jun-10 at the Singapore meeting.

Eddy-Current – A proposed checklist will be ready in October for entire Task Group to review. A formal ballot will follow initial review.

10.0 Nadcap AND NDT PROCEDURE REVIEW – OPEN

NDT Procedure Review presentation was reviewed.

Further discussion with the Aerospace Quality Systems (AQS) Task Group has clarified that ISO 17025 will be accepted if performed by an accredited body. AC7006 will be used as an equivalent and is exactly the same as ISO 17025.

11.0 CLARIFICATION DATABASE – OPEN

The Clarification Database is available in the public documents section of eAuditNet.

12.0 TECHNICAL ISSUES AND OPEN DISCUSSION ITEMS – OPEN

See closed meeting notes under item 3.0 Task Group Resolution and Technical Issues.

13.0 NEW BUSINESS – OPEN

AC7114 and AC7114/1 have been translated into German. They need to be reviewed for accuracy by the Task Group. Juergen Burchards to review.

ACTION ITEM: Juergen Burchards to review the translated checklists for AC7114 & AC7114/1. DUE DATE: 15-Oct-10

Compliance is the number one hitter for all methods. A group was formed to determine what we are expecting and put together a presentation for Auditor Training / Supplier Symposium. Team members include Scott Sullivan, Tony Warren, Ed Hohman, Ron Levi, David Vaughn, Andy Statham, Bob Rainone and Jim Bennett. Jim Bennett to set up the first call.

ACTION ITEM: Jim Bennett to set up a conference call for compliance Auditor Training sub-team. DUE DATE: 15-Oct-10

Ed Hohman to develop and give presentation on rinse process for water washable Penetrant for the symposium in October 2010.

ACTION ITEM: Ed Hohman to create presentation on rinse process for water washable Penetrant. DUE DATE: 15-Oct-10

14.0 AUDITOR TRAINING PRESENTATION – CLOSED 6

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There will be a two-day session in October 2010. Thoughts included:

Make “Performing the Audit” training interactive and not dictatorial Have the Auditors give the training and not the Subscribers or PRI Staff Pre-audit prep is an issue with time management (i.e., Procedure review prior to audit) PRI Scheduling department may need to give more time between audits when auditors go

overseas when multiple audits are going to be performed Go over the top 5 NCRs in each method Make a provision for a two-hour session for etch (Pre-Penetrant and/or Nital) Slot four hours for Compliance auditing Phased Array training is scheduled for approximately 3 hours for UT auditors Have a training session on multi-zone (UT sub-group to consider). All auditors to attend. No scheduling of audits for the training days Rolls-Royce to have an hour on global spec’s

Four teams were formed for the purpose of developing the Auditor Training presentations:

Audit prep team: Tony Warren, Chris Dootson, Steve Bauer, Mike Shipplet Audit Structure team: Juergen Burchards, Phil Keown, Andy Statham, Bob Hogan Time Management team: Scott Sullivan, Ron Levi, Alain Bouchet, Ed Hohman, Bob

Rainone, Richard Constantino Effective Communication: Craig Hall, Carl Roche, Dave Vaughn, Fangmei Chu

SUPPLIER WORKSHOP / NAS410 REVISION 3 – OPEN

Scott Sullivan presented the third and final discussion on the changes to NAS410 Revision 3. This was previously presented in Pittsburgh and Rome.

15.0 NANDTB-CN PRESENTATION & DISCUSSION – OPEN

Mr. (Tamson) Jingtao Zhang and Mr. Juntao Wang of the Chinese NANDTB presented on how China is implementing the program.

16.0 CHECKLIST DISCUSSION – OPEN

A presentation of Vision for Nadcap Audit Checklists was reviewed. Changes to NOP-002 include a requirement that checklist questions need to be derived from industry or Subscriber requirements.

It was suggested that more interaction is needed between Nadcap and industry committees such as ASTM so that Nadcap is not seen as a standards group. NMC will look into this topic.

Additional changes to checklists were discussed. The Task Group should consider adding the issues of some of the Auditor Advisories to the compliance assessment guide.

AC7114:

5.1.16 – change procedure to written practice

5.2.14 – add provisions to list the responsible level 3 by name

5.4.5 – add eye exams not required for trainees

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AC7114/1:

6.15.5 – Define swab to cover lint free cloth/paper

ACTION ITEM: PRI Staff to send out an Auditor Advisory on AC7114/1 paragraph 6.13.2 and add to compliance assessment guide, clarifying that the intent is if it works properly (even application), then it’s comforming (NAWD). DUE DATE: 15-Oct-10 Note: This item was cancelled later in the meeting as this is now addressed. No change required.

AC7114/2:

6.2.4.4 – Revise to state results are to be recorded in accordance with customer requirements.

AC7114/3:

4.3.18 – Need to look at re-defining this question as it affects tapered contoured components or add compliance assessment guide. This topic was turned over to the UT Method Chair to evaluate.

ACTION ITEM: UT Method Chair to evaluate AC7114/3 paragraph 4.3.18 for clarification. DUE DATE: 15-Oct-10

AC7114/4:

No new items to discuss.

ACTION ITEM: PRI Staff to send checklists to all method chairs to schedule meeting for requirements verification. DUE DATE: 31-Jul-10

ADJOURNMENT – 24-Jun-10 – Meeting was adjourned at 6:00 p.m.

Minutes Prepared by: Robert Hogan - Robert.hogan@honeywell.com

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