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From: GaryTo: Beyer, Stacie RCc: Wally & Mary
LindahlSubject: PPDLW Rebuttal Comments: Carroll Plt RemovalDate:
Friday, October 14, 2016 6:29:17 PMAttachments:
2016-10-14_PPDLW_Rebuttal_Removal_Carroll Plt.pdf
October 14, 2016
Stacie R. BeyerChief PlannerLand Use Planning Commission106
Hogan Rd, Ste 8Bangor, ME 04401
Dear Stacie,
Please find attached our post-hearing/rebuttal comments in
support of Wallace Lindahl'spetition to Remove Carroll Plt from the
Expedited Wind Energy Permitting Area.
Sincerely,
Gary A. CampbellPresident
mailto:[email protected]:[email protected]:[email protected]
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STATE OF MAINE
LAND USE PLANNING COMMISSION
Substantive Review, Carroll Plantation ) Rebuttal Comments of
Petition to Remove Carroll Plt from the Expedited ) Partnership for
the Preservation of the Permitting Area for Wind Energy Development
) Downeast Lakes Watershed (PPDLW)
PPDLW would like to comment on several points that came up
during the September 28th
hearing and in the post-hearing comments provided by the two
Requestors.
Who are the Requestors?
In both their written and oral correspondence, Starr Clough and
Holly Worster frequently say
we when they should say I. This innocent oversight may be
because they both hold
positions at the Town Office and their devotion to Carroll Plt.
obviously runs very deep. In this
matter, however, they do not speak for their Town. Not all of
the residents of Carroll agree with
the Requestors. As we pointed out at the hearing, PPDLW has
members who are residents of
Carroll and support Mr. Lindahls petition. Several of them have
written letters to the
Commission and are in the record.
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Economic Growth for Carroll Plt.
Carroll Plts economy is exactly as the Requestors described. But
Carrolls fiscal situation is
outside the scope of the decision criteria set forth in P.L.
2015, ch. 265. Payments that a wind
project owner pays to the hosting community is a topic reserved
for DEPs review of
Community Benefits when there is a wind permit application being
considered.
Would PPDLW oppose a cell tower?
Following our oral presentation at the hearing, one of the
Commissioners asked if PPDLW
would also oppose cell tower in the area. I answered that our
reaction to a hypothetical cell
tower would depend on how our membership would feel about that.
Id like to elaborate by
pointing out some of the differences between a cell tower and a
wind project that would be
relevant to a scenic impact assessment:
Wind Project Cell Project
Consists of multiple turbines with the trend being toward
facilities of 100+
Typically a single vertical monopole, guyed or lattice
structure
Heights can range up to 557 feet to the tip of the blade.
Cellular or PCS cell site towers are typically 50-200 feet
high.
Wind turbines have motion Stationary
Motion can create shadow flicker No shadow flicker
Noise can be an issue Generally silent
Impossible to disguise Scenic impact can be mitigated to an
extent
Considerable infrastructure required to construct, operate and
maintain
Much less infrastructure required.
Danger to birds and bats Minimal danger to birds and bats
Susceptible to fires, risk of forest fires in remote areas.
Fires are extremely rare.
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There are other differences (public value, reliability, health
issues, breaking blades, ice throw)
but these impacts would be more localized and would not likely
impact the Downeast Lakes.
Of course this is a hypothetical situation and precise data
would be needed before PPDLW
could make a decision. The point is that these differences may
be enough that PPDLW would
not be inconsistent if it did not oppose permitting a cell
tower.
Conclusion
We believe we have presented compelling evidence that the
removal of Carroll Plt from the
Expedited Wind Energy Permitting Area:
A. Will not have an unreasonable adverse effect on the States
ability to meet
the state goal for wind energy development in section 3404,
subsection 2,
paragraph C; and
B. Is consistent with the principal values and the goals in the
comprehensive
land use plan adopted by the Maine Land Use Planning
Commission
pursuant to Title 12, section 685-C.
Carroll Plt therefore satisfies the two criteria and we
respectfully ask the Commission to
remove Carroll Plt from the expedited wind permitting area.
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STATE OF MAINE
LAND USE PLANNING COMMISSION
Substantive Review, Carroll Plantation ) Rebuttal Comments of
Petition to Remove Carroll Plt from the Expedited ) Partnership for
the Preservation of the Permitting Area for Wind Energy Development
) Downeast Lakes Watershed (PPDLW)
PPDLW would like to comment on several points that came up
during the September 28th
hearing and in the post-hearing comments provided by the two
Requestors.
Who are the Requestors?
In both their written and oral correspondence, Starr Clough and
Holly Worster frequently say
we when they should say I. This innocent oversight may be
because they both hold
positions at the Town Office and their devotion to Carroll Plt.
obviously runs very deep. In this
matter, however, they do not speak for their Town. Not all of
the residents of Carroll agree with
the Requestors. As we pointed out at the hearing, PPDLW has
members who are residents of
Carroll and support Mr. Lindahls petition. Several of them have
written letters to the
Commission and are in the record.
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Economic Growth for Carroll Plt.
Carroll Plts economy is exactly as the Requestors described. But
Carrolls fiscal situation is
outside the scope of the decision criteria set forth in P.L.
2015, ch. 265. Payments that a wind
project owner pays to the hosting community is a topic reserved
for DEPs review of
Community Benefits when there is a wind permit application being
considered.
Would PPDLW oppose a cell tower?
Following our oral presentation at the hearing, one of the
Commissioners asked if PPDLW
would also oppose cell tower in the area. I answered that our
reaction to a hypothetical cell
tower would depend on how our membership would feel about that.
Id like to elaborate by
pointing out some of the differences between a cell tower and a
wind project that would be
relevant to a scenic impact assessment:
Wind Project Cell Project
Consists of multiple turbines with the trend being toward
facilities of 100+
Typically a single vertical monopole, guyed or lattice
structure
Heights can range up to 557 feet to the tip of the blade.
Cellular or PCS cell site towers are typically 50-200 feet
high.
Wind turbines have motion Stationary
Motion can create shadow flicker No shadow flicker
Noise can be an issue Generally silent
Impossible to disguise Scenic impact can be mitigated to an
extent
Considerable infrastructure required to construct, operate and
maintain
Much less infrastructure required.
Danger to birds and bats Minimal danger to birds and bats
Susceptible to fires, risk of forest fires in remote areas.
Fires are extremely rare.
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There are other differences (public value, reliability, health
issues, breaking blades, ice throw)
but these impacts would be more localized and would not likely
impact the Downeast Lakes.
Of course this is a hypothetical situation and precise data
would be needed before PPDLW
could make a decision. The point is that these differences may
be enough that PPDLW would
not be inconsistent if it did not oppose permitting a cell
tower.
Conclusion
We believe we have presented compelling evidence that the
removal of Carroll Plt from the
Expedited Wind Energy Permitting Area:
A. Will not have an unreasonable adverse effect on the States
ability to meet
the state goal for wind energy development in section 3404,
subsection 2,
paragraph C; and
B. Is consistent with the principal values and the goals in the
comprehensive
land use plan adopted by the Maine Land Use Planning
Commission
pursuant to Title 12, section 685-C.
Carroll Plt therefore satisfies the two criteria and we
respectfully ask the Commission to
remove Carroll Plt from the expedited wind permitting area.
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From: Gaby EgleTo: [email protected]; Beyer, Stacie
RSubject: Re: LUPC - Request for Substantive Review, Carroll
PlantationDate: Saturday, October 15, 2016 3:31:16 PMAttachments:
Reflections.zip
Dear Ms. Beyer, My wife and I attended your meeting in
Lincoln.
First of all, we would like to thank you for your excellent
work! Day in and day out.
During the meeting, a lady mentioned, that fishermen would not
care about the turbines. Wrong! Even if yourback is towards the
turbines, their reflections will pass the canoe and the sound
(traveling very far over water)does not make one feel being in
natureEnclose, please find some snapshots.
Again thank you and have a nice day.
Gaby and Rainer Egle, Upper Pond, Lincoln Me (Rollins South)
If you need better resolutions for prints, please let me
know.
On 11.10.2016, at 20:47, Maine Department of Agriculture,
Conservation and Forestry wrote:
LUPC - Request for Substantive Review, Carroll Plantation
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LUPC Windpower Expedited Area Petitions
Request for Substantive Review, Carroll Plantation
On September 28, 2016, the Land Use Planning Commission held a
public hearing on thepetition to remove Carroll Plantation from the
expedited permitting area for wind energydevelopment. The public
comment period for the petition closed on October 10, 2016. TheLUPC
has now posted all of the timely public comments on its website.
The documents canbe accessed using the following hyperlink:
Substantive Review, Carroll Plantation
The public comments are linked under the Information and Links
column for Public Commentin the Carroll Plantation table.
Any response to testimony and comments already in the record
will be accepted until therebuttal comment deadline of October 17,
2016.
If you have any questions about the substantive review of the
petition to remove CarrollPlantation from the expedited area,
please contact Stacie Beyer, Chief Planner, Land UsePlanning
Commission. She can be reached at the following e-mail address and
phone
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PPDLWG EgleRequestor Letters
