Report from the Report from the TCG F2F TCG F2F MtgMtg #1#1
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and TCG Statusand TCG Status
Christophe ArvisetChristophe ArvisetFor the TCGFor the TCG
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TCG F2F #01TCG F2F #01Meeting main objectivesMeeting main objectives
1.1. Review and update IVOA top level Review and update IVOA top level architecturearchitecture
2.2. Study main Science use cases for the VOStudy main Science use cases for the VO3.3. Discuss and review TCG organizationDiscuss and review TCG organization
4.4. Get TCG together, not just Get TCG together, not just ““virtuallyvirtually””Asked by the IVOA Exec Asked by the IVOA Exec Encouraged by TCG members in GarchingEncouraged by TCG members in GarchingInteractive and constructive F2F discussionsInteractive and constructive F2F discussions
Friday 14/05
Saturday 15/05
Both days!
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TCG F2F#1 ParticipantsTCG F2F#1 Participants
TCG TCG -- Christophe and SeverinChristophe and SeverinApps WG Apps WG –– Tom and MarkTom and MarkDAL WG DAL WG –– Keith and JesusKeith and JesusDM WG DM WG -- MireilleMireilleGWS WG GWS WG –– MatthewMatthewRegistry WG Registry WG -- RayRaySemantics WG Semantics WG –– SebastienSebastienVOEvent WG VOEvent WG -- RobRobVOTable WG VOTable WG –– FrancoisFrancoisStd & Proc Std & Proc CtteCtte–– FrancoiseFrancoiseTheory IG Theory IG –– HerveHerveIVOA IVOA –– Fabio and PaoloFabio and Paolo
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IVOA Top Level ArchitectureIVOA Top Level ArchitectureWhat?What?
2 views required2 views required
1.1. (level 0) view for (level 0) view for ““publicpublic”” consumptionconsumptionGlobal, generic, minimize VO jargonGlobal, generic, minimize VO jargonReadable by all, not too technicalReadable by all, not too technical
2.2. (level 1) view for IVOA and VO needs(level 1) view for IVOA and VO needsExtension of (level 0)Extension of (level 0)More detailed, all IVOA standards mentionedMore detailed, all IVOA standards mentionedClear connections between IVOA standards (helps the TCG review, Clear connections between IVOA standards (helps the TCG review, the interthe inter--dependency)dependency)Shows what is need to implement VO (as a Data Centre, an Apps Shows what is need to implement VO (as a Data Centre, an Apps developer, an astronomer, developer, an astronomer, ……))
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IVOA ArchitectureIVOA ArchitectureIn progressIn progress
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IVOA ArchitectureIVOA ArchitectureGetting thereGetting there
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TCGIVOA Architecture IVOA Architecture –– Level 0Level 0
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TCGIVOA Architecture IVOA Architecture –– Level 1Level 1
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TCGIVOA Architecture IVOA Architecture –– Level 2Level 2
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IVOA ArchitectureIVOA ArchitectureIn action In action -- TOPCATTOPCAT
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IVOA ArchitectureIVOA ArchitectureIn action In action -- VOSpecVOSpec
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IVOA ArchitectureIVOA ArchitectureIn action In action –– Image PublishingImage Publishing
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IVOA ArchitectureIVOA ArchitectureIn action In action –– Observation PublishingObservation Publishing
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TCGUpdated IVOA ArchitectureUpdated IVOA Architecture
Including all existing IVOA REC standardsIncluding all existing IVOA REC standardsIncluding all (planned) upcoming IVOA Including all (planned) upcoming IVOA standardsstandards
Clearer IVOA Clearer IVOA ““TechnicalTechnical”” PicturePictureFor the publicFor the publicFor the IVOAFor the IVOAFor the WG and For the WG and IGsIGsFor the VO For the VO ““implementersimplementers””
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IVOA ArchitectureIVOA ArchitectureNext stepsNext steps
Finalize and write IVOA Note with updated Finalize and write IVOA Note with updated ArchitectureArchitecture
1 or 2 documents ?1 or 2 documents ?
For all upcoming standards, include IVOA For all upcoming standards, include IVOA architecture showing where the standards fits in itarchitecture showing where the standards fits in it
(editorial) Update of all existing standards with (editorial) Update of all existing standards with similar change ?similar change ?
(side question) we might need a (side question) we might need a ““fast trackfast track”” for IVOA for IVOA standards for this type of changestandards for this type of change
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TCGScience CasesScience Cases
Drive TCG work from science requirements coming Drive TCG work from science requirements coming from the communityfrom the community
3 main science cases coming from the IVOA Take3 main science cases coming from the IVOA Take--up up CommitteeCommittee
SED buildingSED buildingSearch by list of sources + search on classSearch by list of sources + search on classVO VO ““PortalPortal””
Brainstorming sessions and compilation to determine Brainstorming sessions and compilation to determine IVOA standards required to address these science IVOA standards required to address these science casescases
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TCGSED BuildingSED Building
Document SED part of the model
SED data provider cookbook (NOTE)
TAP to be used as well ?
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Search by list of sourcesSearch by list of sourcesSearch by class of sourcesSearch by class of sources
Source DM to be considered as well ?
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TCGVO VO ““PortalPortal””
Discussion about the conceptDiscussion about the conceptMore a VO Tools discovery portalMore a VO Tools discovery portalNot a data discovery portalNot a data discovery portal
Linked with overall IVOA Web Linked with overall IVOA Web reorganizationreorganization
EXEC FM34SEXEC FM34S--6 on AL6 on ALSite of the astronomerSite of the astronomer
Dynamic list of VO ToolsDynamic list of VO ToolsCuration issuesCuration issues
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Science CasesScience CasesNext stepsNext steps
Some standards to be finalizedSome standards to be finalizedSome standards to be updatedSome standards to be updatedNew standards to be developed New standards to be developed
To be endorsed by the EXECTo be endorsed by the EXEC
To be taken into account in WG / IG upcoming To be taken into account in WG / IG upcoming work plan and reflected in Technical work plan and reflected in Technical Assessment and Roadmap for 2010Assessment and Roadmap for 2010
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Validation and Verification 1/2Validation and Verification 1/2
Two dedicated sessions planned during this Two dedicated sessions planned during this interopinteropDiscussions Discussions about the processabout the process at TCG F2Fat TCG F2F
InterInter--dependency and consistency of standards dependency and consistency of standards amongst amongst WGsWGs
Normally addressed through TCG reviewNormally addressed through TCG reviewNow made clearer with updated IVOA ArchitectureNow made clearer with updated IVOA Architecture
Inconsistencies of Registry entriesInconsistencies of Registry entriesTo be addressed by Registry WGTo be addressed by Registry WG
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Validation and Verification 2/2Validation and Verification 2/2
Validation and Verification of standards Validation and Verification of standards implementationimplementation
To be addressed by each WGTo be addressed by each WGAt next Nara InteropAt next Nara Interop
Special standards implementation and feedback session for each Special standards implementation and feedback session for each WG (joint sessions if more adequate)WG (joint sessions if more adequate)Each WG chair to look at all existing implementations of the WG Each WG chair to look at all existing implementations of the WG standards, standards, ““learnlearn”” from these, and determine if modifications / from these, and determine if modifications / improvements of the standards are requiredimprovements of the standards are required
For the main Science casesFor the main Science cases““Contact nameContact name”” from the Committee on Science Prioritiesfrom the Committee on Science PrioritiesRegular implementation report in Apps sessionsRegular implementation report in Apps sessions
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TCGTCG Organization (1/2)TCG Organization (1/2)
TCG current structure adequateTCG current structure adequate
Some Some WGsWGs to become more to become more ““operationsoperations”” focussedfocussed((egeg Apps, VOEvent, Registry)Apps, VOEvent, Registry)Merge VOQL WG with DAL WGMerge VOQL WG with DAL WG
Creation of a Creation of a ““Core ComponentsCore Components”” WG to be WG to be envisaged ?envisaged ?
No agreement, Discussion still requiredNo agreement, Discussion still requiredIncluding Semantics, core parts of DM (units, STC, Utypes) Including Semantics, core parts of DM (units, STC, Utypes) ??
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TCGTCG Organization (2/2)TCG Organization (2/2)
Agreement on continuation of TCG F2F meetingsAgreement on continuation of TCG F2F meetingsF2F #1 very useful and productiveF2F #1 very useful and productiveLots of achievements in small timeLots of achievements in small timeAll members now with a common IVOA Architecture viewAll members now with a common IVOA Architecture viewTriggered various discussions to be addressed by the TCGTriggered various discussions to be addressed by the TCG
1 day TCG F2F meeting before each 1 day TCG F2F meeting before each interopinterop ??
Presence of full TCG at ExecPresence of full TCG at ExecSome find it useful, others lessSome find it useful, others less
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TCGState of the TCGState of the TCG
Standards in REC processStandards in REC process
Technical Assessment and Roadmap for 2010 Technical Assessment and Roadmap for 2010 to be writtento be written