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ROYAL AUSTRALIAN SURVEY CORPSASSOCIATION

Queensland Branch

BULLETINPO Box 5784 Stafford Heights 4053

Website: www.rasurvey.org

ANZAC EDITION– No 33 APRIL 2008

CALENDAR FOR 200816 Mar (Sun) Bribie Island Barbecue at Tony and Loretta Gee’s home.25 Apr (Fri) Anzac Day – Dawn Service; city march; Gaythorne RSL4 Jul (Fri) Colonel Alex Laing Memorial Dinner at United Service Club6 Sep (Sat) Reunion Lunch and AGM at the Gaythorne RSL

October Mapmaker’s DinnerNovember Derek Chambers Award

First function of the year – Gourmet Barbecue at the Bribie Island home of Tony and LorettaGee – 50 Bibimulya Street, Bellara. 12.00 midday. BYO refreshments. Bring a salad or deserts. RSVPSecretary Barry. Liaise directly with Loretta on salads and deserts (Ph 3408 8467)

ANZAC DAY 2008

March with your Association mates on Friday the25th April 2008. Anzac Day 2008 promises to beanother memorable occasion starting with the dawnservice at the 6th Engineer Support Regiment 7 SqnCenotaph at Enoggera Barracks adjacent toSamford Road. Members and their families andfriends are invited to the Engineer Sportsman’s Clubfor a barbecue breakfast after the dawn service. Athirty seater bus will depart the Sportman’s Club at

0930 hours and passengers will be dropped as close as possible to the Assembly point for the CityMarch. We will form up somewhere in the vicinity of the Treasury Casino in George Street. If in doubtenquire at the information booth in Queens Park. The Squadron is providing banner bearers and thisyear we will be led by Brian Johnson. Wally Chilcott is to carry the iconic theodolite now fitted withthe patented carrying device developed by Peter Tangey.

Wear your Association Berets: They are increasingly being recognized by march commentators andother Corps Associations as the unique head-dress of the RA Survey Association.

After the March: This year we are getting together again at the Gaythorne RSL for a post-marchdrink and a bite to eat up-stairs. Unfortunately the ‘alcove’ room we have used in the past two yearsis no longer available and the RSL cannot take bookings on Anzac day but if we get there earlyenough we should be able to capture a few tables.

The Royal Australian Survey Corps Association (Queensland) acknowledges the generous sponsorship and supportof Pioneer Surveys Pty Ltd

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COMMITTEEPatron Lieutenant Colonel EU Anderson MBE (Ph 3408 9179)

EXECUTIVEPresident Peter Bates-Brownsword (Ph 3289 7001) email petenbarb@dovenetq.net.auVice President Alex Cairney (Ph 3397 7583) email cairneyalex@hotmail.comSecretary Barry Lutwyche (3264 2191) email rasvy_qld@yahoo.com.au

sec.qld@rasurvey.orgTreasurer Ross Smithwick (Ph 3356 5786) email rdsmithwick@ozemail.com.au

COMMITTEEMember Mary-Ann Thiselton (Ph 3353 1026) email rockthis@bigpond.net.auMember Jim Gill (Ph 3264 1597) email jimgill@hotkey.net.auBulletin Editor & Historian Bob Skitch (Ph 3265 1370) email bob.skitch@runbox.comNorth Coast representative Kym Weston (Ph 5445 6927) email kym@westonsweb.com

& web site manager (mob 0427 377 226)North Qld representative Dennis Gregor (Ph mob 0409 648 026) email psurvey@bigpond.com

1 TOPO SVY SQNSquadron OC Major David SapparthSquadron SSM WO1 Peter Coles (Ph 3332 7564)

Note: Refer Veteran’s Affairs matters to Peter Bates-Brownsword and Stan Campbell

OUR HISTORY PROJECT – What did we do over all those years – 1946- 1996?I continue to canvass support for this worthwhile project. Our collective memory can fill in many gapsbut it is fading with the passing of years. It is ten years since the disbandment of the Corps we asindividuals served, the Corps that gave such outstanding service to our nation for eighty-one years.We need to record what each of the units did over the fifty years following the end of WW2. It really isa simple exercise. I have had responses from Clem Sargent, Noel Sproles, John Bullen, CharlieWatson, Alex Cairney, Percy Long, Richard Jackson-Hope, Ted Laker, Ross McMillan, BarryLutwyche, Kym Weston, Graeme Baker, Arthur Hensen’ Peter Jensen and Roger Rees in Defence(DIGO) The major gap area is after 1980. The following is the preferred format but I am just as happyto receive your input listed down the page – pen and ink is OK. Please give this matter some thought.Every bit helps ….Alternatively, you can enter your data on our website – www.rasurvey.org

YR UNIT OPERATIONPROJECT

DURATION LOCATION NATURE OF WORKUNDERTAKEN

PERSONS TAKING PART OTHERINFORMATION

1956

N CmdFd SvySect

No name On-going Qld –Macrossan,ChartersTowers, ….

Control for 1” to 1 milemapping - 4th ordertriangulation,Intersection, resection,(plane table) baroheighting

Capt EU (Ed) Anderson OC,WO2 Blue Hunter, SgtsSnow Ralston, Jeff Lambert,Garney Cook, Cpls TedMiller, Geoff Helsham, SprsSam Chambers, BrianBerkery, Bob Skitch.

Arrived May atMacrossan. Secthad not returnedto Brisbane sincesometime in1955. Xmas inthe field……..

NOTICES

VIETNAM – A TECHNICAL TOUR by BobMcMillan-Kay.Copies can be obtained from Bob McMillan-Kay at acost of $36.00 including postage. We commend thishighly successful book of Bob’s Vietnamexperience. Bob’s address is 14 March Lane,Maryborough, Qld, 4650.

MAPMAKERS OF FORTUNACopies may be purchased from the Ex-FortunaSurvey Association (PO Box 865 Bendigo 3552) at$60.00 plus postage of $11.50 which includes costof a padded postal bag.

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ASSOCIATION BADGEAssociation badges are still available from the Ex-Fortuna Survey Association. Place your orders withBarry Lutwyche and we will try to satisfy them.

ROYAL AUSTRALIAN SURVEY CORPSPLAQUE: The Ex-Fortuna Association haspurchased some of the original RA Svy plaques.These are available from Ex-Fortuna SecretaryTracey Phillips, 03 5442 0263; 03 5449 6330 (AH);email phipsys@bigpond.com. Price on application.

RA SURVEY ASSOCIATION PLAQUEMagna Carto advises that the plaque has beenfinished and is ready for distribution. The finaldesign incorporates the three badges overlapping,the theodolite badge of pre-WW2, the wartimecolour patch and the Post WW2 RA Svy badge. Thecost of the plaque is $50.00 plus postage. Placeorders with our Secretary, Barry Lutwyche.

ASSOCIATION TIE or SCARFCost is $20.00 and $7.00 postage for each. Wesuggest you place your order directly with the ExFortuna Association, Tracey Phillips, emailphipsys@bigpond.com or phone Barry Lutwyche.

ANNUAL SUBSCRIPTIONS FOR 2007 – 2008‘Don’t go to sleep on your membership!’

Keep in touch with you Survey Corps mates bybeing a paid-up member of your Association.Our financial year runs from Sept to Sept.Subscription is but $10.00 per year. We encourageyou to pay three years in advance (or more if youwish). Subscription is waived for veterans 75 andover who have been standing paid-up members ofour Association. Pay-time was at the AGM 1 Sept07 – but it is not too late now!

LAST FRIDAYSLast Fridays continue at the Gaythorne RSL withincreasing patronage. Pop along and have a beer ora softie with your mates.

ARMY COMBAT BADGEAgain I refer to the statement on page 3 of ourAugust Bulletin concerning our possible eligibility forthe issue of the badge to Survey Vietnam Veterans.I must confess that what with seven weeks in SouthAfrica in 2007 and now in the throws of moving, Ihave not been able to pursue the matter with theappropriate authorities. I hope to give it my attentionas soon as Wendy and I are re-settled…Bob Skitch

VALE – CLEM SARGENT

We were all saddened to learn of the death ofLieutenant Colonel Thomas Clem Sargent,OAM, noted military historian, HonoraryColonel Commandant Royal Australian SurveyCorps 1983-1989 and esteemed friend andmentor to many of his Corps colleagues. Thefollowing eulogy was prepared and read byCharlie Watson at Clem’s funeral service in theAnzac Memorial Chapel of the Royal MilitaryCollege Duntroon on Wednesday 9th January2008.

We are gathered heretoday to farewell and paytribute to our esteemedfriend, Clem Sargent.Clem Sargent joined theInterim Army in March1946 with the hope thathe would be sent toJapan with theOccupation Forces.Instead he was allotted to5th Field SurveyCompany of the SurveyCorps, based at

Chatswood in Sydney, as a Sapper. He didhis initial survey training under Major BertEggeling and Warrant Officer Class 2 SpencerSnow.In October 1946 he did field work in the SnowyMountains. He was part of Spencer Snow’ssurvey party which commenced levelling fromnear Jindabyne to the top of Mt Kosciusko.The levelling stopped at Charlottes Passbecause snow covered the remaining highground.After a brief Christmas break in Sydney workcommenced again in January 1947. In Marchthe survey party rode horses into the GreyMare Range and the Rolling Grounds andworked for six weeks establishing surveycontrol. Clem remarked recently “I’d neverridden, couldn’t ride then and still can’t”. Thesurvey party was forced to pull out for thewinter. Clem had been promoted to Corporalaround this time.In 1948 Clem was working on the Berridale 1inch to 1 mile map. Major Clews’s plan to dobarometric heighting down Hannels Ridge hadto be cancelled because of snow falls. This

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saved Clem and Sapper Williams having to ridea horse from “The Chalet”, at Charlottes Pass,down through Dead Horse Gap and TomGroggin to meet with the Maj at the bottom ofHannels Ridge. Later that year he attended acourse at the newly established School ofMilitary Survey at Balcombe. This was the firstcourse of several courses that he would attendover the next couple of years. TheCommanding Officers were Major BertEggeling and later Lieutenant Colonel BillJohnson.In 1949 Clem was posted to the Long RangeWeapons Establishment, with Don Ridge. TheUnit was commanded by Lieutenant Snow andSargent Ken Cook was the Unit senior NCO. In1950 Clem was involved in surveys for theWoomera rocket range and participated inmeasurement of the Koolymilka first order baseline. This was the last such baseline measuredin Australia.After a Special Survey Course at Balcombe inthe latter part of 1950 and another in 1951,Clem was commissioned as a Lieutenant on 15December 1951 at the same time as EdAnderson, Don Ridge, John Hillier and FrankStevens. Early in the New Year he did acourse on the “Multiplex” aerial mappingsystem at Bendigo.Between October 1952 and January 1954 hewas posted to 15th National Service TrainingBattalion, at Puckapunyal. There he wasinitially a platoon commander responsible fortraining recruits in the early National Serviceintakes of 3 months duration. He was later theAssistant Adjutant of the Battalion. Whenasked about being stuck behind a desk hesaid. “I wasn’t overly struck on it. But I did whatI was told”From January 1954 to September 1955 he wasposted to Southern Command Field SurveySection. During this posting he worked onestablishing survey control for 1in to 1 milemaps mainly in the Mildura–Ouyen areas ofNorth West Victoria, with some work atRingwood and Wangaratta. In May 1955 theSouthern Command Field Survey Section wasamalgamated into the AHQ CartographicCompany to form the AHQ Survey Regimentwith the Field Survey component becoming theTopographic Squadron of the Regiment. Clem,now with the Regiment was promoted

Temporary Captain on 22 July 1955, and toSubstantive Captain on 15 December 1955.In early 1956 he managed to escape the officeand work on the Ouyen-Mildura 2nd ordertriangulation with Keith Todd, Norm Tupper,Bruce Coburn and Tom Royle. BetweenAugust 1956 and November 1957 Clem wasassigned to Project “Cutlass”. The project wasa shore-ship-triangulation survey of NewIreland, New Hanover and surrounding off-shore islands in the then Territory of Papuaand New Guinea. The project, commanded byMajor Spencer Snow was a cooperative effortbetween Australia and the United States ofAmerica, Army Map Service (29 EngineerTopographic Battalion). The project wassimilar to the preceding New Britain survey;Project “Xylon”.Following these years of arduous field workClem became the Adjutant/Quarter Master ofthe AHQ Survey Regiment.In the years 1961-1962 Clem worked ongeodetic surveys and control for 1:250,000scale mapping in the Queensland Gulf Countryand Cape York. When stationed in the Coenarea Clem was pleased to be given the task ofsearching for one of the “K” trees marked bythe Kennedy Expedition in 1848 some where inthe Weymouth Bay or Shelburne Bay areas.I’m not sure which. He found the general areabut bushfires had removed all the likely trees inthe area.After promotion to Major on 15 December 1961Clem was posted to Survey Directorate in ArmyHeadquarters which had recently moved toCanberra from Albert Park, Melbourne, asDeputy Assistant Director Survey. On 9 March1965 he undertook a British Army posting asDeputy Assistant Director Survey atHeadquarters Far Eastern Land Forces,Singapore until February 1967.On his return to Australia he was appointedOfficer Commanding Western Command FieldSurvey Unit and Deputy Assistant DirectorSurvey Western Command, based inFremantle where he was responsible for theSurvey Corps 1:100,000 mapping programmein the Kimberley Region of Western Australia.Between April and August 1970 Clem wasseconded to Eastern Command Field SurveyUnit in Sydney to command the first DefenceMapping aid project in Indonesia - Operation“MANDAU” in West Kalimantan (Borneo).

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Initially the operation was to be commanded dby a Capt, however, as Army Headquartersbegan to realise the size and importance of theProject a Major was called into the job. Clemwas selected because Major Bob Hammett theOfficer Commanding Eastern Command FieldSurvey Unit had recently died and Captain TedLaker the Officer Commanding designate hadnot yet returned from his posting in the UnitedKingdom. The remaining Officer’sCommanding were busy preparing for theirown major field operations. “Mandau” was aninternational project which in addition to theRoyal Australian Survey Corps included theBritish 84th Survey Squadron Royal Engineersbased at Singapore, Indonesian Armytopographers, a Royal Australian Air ForceCaribou aircraft contingent and charted civilianaircraft. Besides Survey there were Armydetachments from Signals, Aviation, ServiceCorps, Electrical and Mechanical Engineers,Pay Corps, Catering Corps, Medical Corps andOrdnance Corps.“Mandau” was also significant in that itestablished a bond of trust between the RoyalAustralian Survey Corps and Indonesian ArmyTopographers that was to grow stronger yearby year. Later when relations between theIndonesian and Australian Governmentsbecame strained, co-operative surveys wereable to continue pretty much as normal. Clemand his Detachment were the people thatstarted it off.Clem’s last military appointment wasCommanding Officer and Chief Instructor of theSchool of Military Survey, Bonegilla, fromwhich he retired with the rank of LieutenantColonel on 19 March 1975.Clem joined the Australian Survey Office afterhe left the Army. There he was involved in thetraining of survey technical officers. After atime at the Department of Defence (Directorateof Recruiting) he completed his career with theDivision of National Mapping as the SeniorExecutive Officer (Planning and Co-ordination).Since retirement from the Survey Corps he haskept an active interest in Corps matters - aseditor of the National Bulletin of Survey CorpsAssociations for five years and as President ofthe Canberra Survey Corps Association forover ten years.Clem was appointed Colonel Commandant ofthe Royal Australian Survey Corps for a period

of four years from 10 February 1983 to 10February 1987. This appointment was laterextended until 10 February 1989.In retirement Clem has been involved withthree major Survey Corps Association Projects.First, the publication of the Corps history.“Australia’s Military Mapmakers” by ChrisCoulthard-Clark in September 2000. Secondly,the dedication of a commemorative plaque torecognise those who served in survey units onActive Service. Many of you will rememberthe great occasion on 9 July 2007 when HisExcellency Major General Michael Jeffery ACCVO MC Governor General of theCommonwealth of Australia and Clem unveiledthe plaque at the Australian War Memorial; andthirdly, the re-establishment of the SurveyCorps Museum at the School of MilitaryEngineering, Casula. A start has been made tothis project.In addition to his Survey Corps activities Clemhad a great interest in military history. Hejoined the Military Research and CollectorsSociety, the predecessor of the MilitaryHistorical Society of Australia, in Victoria in1959. Since then he has been an inauguralmember and office bearer of both the WesternAustralian and Australian Capital Territorybranches. He has held senior positions in theSociety, Federal Secretary (1978 -1988) andFederal Vice President. He has been theAustralian Corresponding Member of theCouncil of the Society for Army HistoricalResearch (Based in the United Kingdom).Clem’s military history interests are primarily inthe Peninsular War and the Peninsular WarVeterans in Australia. He has published onebook “The Colonial Garrison 1817-1824”, whichis a history of the 48th Regiment, theNorthamptons, who were in Australia between1817 and 1823. He has been working onanother regimental history; this time the 40thRegiment, 2nd Somersetshire Regiment, whoserved two tours of duty in Tasmania between1824 and 1860. He has written many articlesfor the Society’s Journal “Sabretache”. “TheRoyal Australian Survey Corps 1915-1990” isone article that quickly springs to mind.For his services to Military History Clem wasawarded the Medal of the Order of Australia inJune 2003.I think that you will agree with me when I saythat Clem has had a busy, often exciting and

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certainly a fulfilling career. If you have everbeen part of ship to shore or helicopteroperations you will understand what excitementcan be. We all enjoyed his cheerful mannerand the enthusiasm he showed for daily life.His no nonsense style of getting things donewas appreciated by us all, even those thatwere volunteered.And so as we say farewell Clem, I offer to yousome lines from the Chorus of the SurveyCorps Song. “Wandering the Kings Highway”:

“But when I start my journeyAt the dawn of another dayI give a health to comradesPals of the king’s highway.”

Charlie Watson

Clem never forgot his Welsh ancestry and hisfuneral notice carried the phrase:

Djwedd y daith ei wasanaeth drossard(End of the journey, his duty done)

Clem is survived by his second wife Margaret,children and children in law Margaret,Rosemary, Glyn, David, Helen and Elizabeth;Grandchildren Kate, Gabrielle, Jenna, Owenand Hannah and brother Haydn; step-childrenand step-children in law Peter, Christine,Jenny, Eugene; step-grandchildren Andrew,Lucy, Matthew, Marguritte and David and step-great grandchildren Taylor and Daniel.

Many of Clem’s colleagues from both RA Surveyand other organizations attended his funeral.

DFRB; DFRDB; MSBS

DFRB – Defence Forces Retirement BenefitScheme 1948-1972DFRDB – Defence Forces Retirement andDeath Benefits Scheme 1972-1991MSBS – Military Superannuation and BenefitsScheme

The Department of Parliamentary Services hasrecently released a Research paper headed‘Military Superannuation – myths and reality’. Itis a succinct and easy to read paper some 18pages in length and can be found on thefollowing web reference:

http://www.apo.org.au/linkboard/results.chtml?filename_num=189369 The paper’s executive summarystates:

‘Essentially it is an historical account of thedevelopment of the military superannuationschemes listed above from the re-creation ofthe Australian Regular Army following the endof WW2 to the present day.

Military superannuation arrangements havebeen subject to extensive changes. Yetanother change may occur in the wake of arecently completed review ofmilitary superannuation arrangements.

Both serving and retired members of theAustralian Defence Force have legitimategrievances in relation to superannuationmatters. However, often lobbying efforts inpursuit of these grievances have been basedon a poor or inaccurate understanding of pastevents and current conditions.

This paper presents background information onpast events and current arrangements for anydiscussions following the recent release of thereport of the review of military superannuation.’

Ed: It is not appropriate for me to summarise thefindings of the paper here but I strongly recommendits reading to all those who have an interest. Ishould add that more recent email traffic from thosewho wish to ‘maintain the rage’ takes issue with anumber of statements contained in the paper.

EVENTS REPORT

2007 finished with three significant eventsthoroughly enjoyed by those who attended.

The Military Mapmakers Dinner was held onthe 15th November 2007 in the Long TanSergeant’s Mess. Fifteen Association membersattended with officers and NCOs from theSquadron and judging from the photos taken allhad a great time. A buffet dinner of excellentquality was served and the Royal AustralianArtillery band ensemble provided musicthroughout the night. Association presidentPeter Bates-Brownsword presented MajorDavid Sapporth with the newly struck RA Svyplaque. Association members attending were:

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Peter and Barbara Bates-Brownsword, AlexCairney, Wally and Liz Chilcott, Michael andKaren Dunium, Ian Fitzgerald and JacintaHynes, Jim and Marianne Gill, John and CherylHook and Mary Ann Thiselton. (Selected photosin the photo Gallery)

The Jazz Picnic at ‘Shady Glen’, the home ofPeter and Barbara Bates-Brownsword, hasbecome an annual end of year event for theAssociation. The picnic was attended by adozen or so Association members (pick themout in the photo gallery photo). Membersbrought their own lunches and drinks and thesewere supplemented by a range of cookiesprepared by Barbara and friends. The setting atShady Glen is delightful and despite a coupleof light showers it was a perfect day. TheWestons had arrived a day earlier in theirmotor-home and rendered assistance inmowing and tidying up the front estate. (ourhosts had only arrived home from distantplaces a day or two before the event). And themusic! Provided by Peter’s friends, the ‘All 4Jazz + 2’ with jazz singer Jan Bartholomew, itwas a real treat. Peter, of course, played thedrums quietly in the background with only theoccasional burst of virtuosity.

Many thanks Peter and Barbara and yourmusical friends from all of us for a uniquelywonderful day.

The Derek Chambers Award presentationtook place at the 1 Topo Survey Squadron endof year break-up in the Squadron Club on the3rd December 2007. The award was presentedby our President Peter Bates-Brownsword to

Cpl Mike Kiker, agraphic artstechnician for his

continuingcontribution to theesprit-de-corps ofthe Squadron.SSM, WarrantOfficer Class 1 PeterColes (old ‘Crusty’ –whose promotion toWO1 had occurredon that very day)gave a spiritedaddress on the

meaning of esprit-de-corps as he saw it andwithout doubt those soldiers who measure upto Peter Coles’ standard would be well worthyof the award and a great contributor to theSquadron.

The congratulations of the Association go toCpl Mike Kiker, a worthy recipient.

PERSONALIA and other jottings

Ed Anderson, our Patron at 85 is fit and welland very happy with life in his retirementvillage. He certainly has a nice little place, neatand manageable. Ed’s family is largely basedin the Sunshine Coast region. Ed’s eldestdaughter Margaret Taylor, is at Buderim andkeeps a watchful eye on Ed; next daughterJennifer lives on a very attractive farm at ObiObi near Nambour; sons Robert and Mark arenot far away. Ed now has twelve grandchildrenof whom he is very proud. He recently attendedthe graduation of one of his grandchildren intothe Queensland Fire and Rescue Service attheir Port Lytton civil defence college. Ed saidthey have four courses a year of about 40students each graduating. The graduationparade was very military. Another grandson,Robert Smith is being married in 2008. ClearlyEd is very family oriented and in his ownwords, ‘he couldn’t wish for better’.

Des Neagle was a National Serviceman at theSchool of Military Survey in 1972/3 at the timethat National Service was discontinued by thenewly elected Whitlam Labor Government. Deswas a late entry into National Service havingdeferred for a year or two while training for theCatholic priesthood. Being uncertain of thedirection to take on being discharged fromNational Service Des decided to convert topermanent army continuing in his NS trade ofclerk. (Most NS allocated to Survey went to thenon-tech trades of clerks, drivers, storemen) Ofcourse at that time the Corps owned its ownnon-tech trades. Our clerks, Q storemen,drivers etc. wore the Survey Corps cap badgeand their postings were controlled by SurveyDirectorate to Survey units. Des was posted to1 Fd Svy Sqn and was there when I arrived asOC in 1975. He served as our orderly roomclerk on Operation Sandy Hill based at

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Cooktown in 1975 and continued with 1 Fdthrough 1976. Des was married to Lorraine latein 1976 and Wendy and I were honoured to beinvited to his wedding. I left for the regiment atthe end of 1976 and lost touch with Des andLorraine but knowing Des’s commitment to thewelfare of others I was not surprised to learnthat he had transferred to the embryonic Armyfamily welfare service and continued in thatrole for the remainder of a twenty year armycareer, achieving the rank of warrant officer inthat time. Des and Lorraine have three sons,one of whom attended Duntroon and did a tourof duty in East Timor. Des’s continuingcommitment to the welfare of others and hischurch saw him work for the St Vincent de PaulSociety after leaving the Army and then takingup further priestly studies culminating into hisordination into the Catholic Church’sPermanent Diaconate on 21st December 07.Again Wendy and I were honoured to beinvited to attend this very impressive event.

Michael Mc Cosker saw service in RA Surveyfrom 1970 to 1976 serving most of that time in IFd Svy Sqn and then finally at the Army SurveyRegiment. I happened to meet up with Michaelat the Des Neagle’s above mentionedordination. During his time with 1 Fd Svy SqnMichael was on field operations in TPNG in1970 with Maj Ed Anderson and in NorthQueensland with Major Keith Todd. Michaelremembers his time in the Corps withconsiderable affection but decided at theexpiration of his six year engagement thatSurvey was very much a single man’s life. Hewas about to be married. Michael lives atToowoomba and is good friends with JohnGilbert. Unlike many, Michael did not continuewith a surveying career in civilian life but hasmostly worked as a salesman. Perhaps it wasJohn who introduced Michael to our websitewww.rasurvey.org. Michael has since perusedour Bulletins with considerable interest pickingup many names of those with whom he served.Michael is joining our Association and hopes tomarch with us on Anzac day.

Brian Wilson on receiving his DecemberBulletin hopped on the phone and gave me acall. We chatted away for about 45 minutesrecalling times when we served together in thethen N Comd Fd Svy Unit and the years since

then. Brian served six years in the Corps from1960 to 1966. Brian came from Ipswich and weknew him as ‘the boy from Ipi’. He marriedJune, an Ipswich girl in 1965 (I think) and OC,Major Jim Stedman allowed a contingent fromthe Unit to take an army vehicle to Ipswich andattend Brian’s wedding. Detached to theRegiment he served with Ed Anderson in PNGin 1965 where he injured his back leaping froma Helicopter Utilities chopper on MurderMountain working in the Sepik. At the age of 22he thought little of it but now some 40 yearslater regrets that. Brian left the Corps inFebruary 1967 worked for a while in theQueensland Lands Department and then withAustralian Aerial Mapping under its founder,Keith Barrie. He trained as a mining andengineering surveyor and developed a verysuccessful business based at Rockhamptonemploying some seven or eight surveyors.From time to time Grant Small has worked forBrian. Brian and June live comfortably atYepoon, on the coast from Rockhampton.Brian mentioned in passing that he ran intoTony Jones in the street recently. Tony, now76, was that rather suave Englishman we hadin N Comd Fd Svy Unit in the early ‘60s.

Mick Symmons has his second nursery(plants that is) at Burpengary on the marketand has moved onto an acre and a half blockat Tower Mountain, four kilometers out ofNambour. Mick (he tells me that he in Mick tohis army mates but Mike to all others) has beena member of our Association for some yearsbut we don’t see too much of him being a littlereclusive – not a great mixer Mick says. Hekeeps in touch with Dave Owens in Adelaide.We used to call them ‘the terrible twins’. Mick’sphone number is 07 5441 4748.

Ross McMillan in Albury, a member of ourQueensland Association, is not at all well. Rossis on oxygen 24 hours a day suffering fromsevere emphysema and associated conditionsaffecting his heart. He is well looked after byhis wife Marie and when I phoned him he washaving a game of dominos with one of hisgrand children. Ross would enjoy a phone call.His number is 02 6024 7272.Some time back as part of our ‘What did we do’history project Ross sent me a fascinatingaccount of another of those unusual jobs the

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Corps was called upon to carry out. It wasOperation Blowdown, a simulated atomicexplosion in heavy rain forest using severaltones of TNT atop a tower. Blowdown tookplace in heavy rain forest near Iron Range inFar North Queensland. The Corps’ role was tolay out a close grid and measure and count thetrees within the grid surrounding ground zero.Sam Chambers was in charge of the surveycomponent of the operation.

I phoned Garney Cook a bit before Christmas.As mentioned in our August ’07 Bulletin Garneybeen treated for stomach cancer which hasspread to his lymph glands. Garny remains ingood spirit. He said he is comfortable but tiresvery easily and is able to do only a littlegardening. Eileen takes good care of him.Garney said their little dog of some years diedrecently and that was a sad occasion.

Bob McMillan-Kay continues to run hismuseum at Maryborough. He is expanding ityet again to include a WW2 bunker andtheatrette. He has recently been given anoriginal fold-up WW2 Nazi glass –beadedprojection screen which he will set up sovisitors can watch old footage and moviesrelevant to the Light Horse while seated on oldfolding theatre seats which he has restored.

Bob requests that anyone that may have someitems of uniform that they no longer need to besent to him He has put his old Survey Corpsbattle dress uniforms on ‘torsos’ in his museumdisplay. He needs a set of Corps shoulderflashes, a couple of lanyards and 2 or 3 khakiwoollen ties. Please help. Bob’s address is 14March Lane, Maryborough Queensland, 4650.Phone 07 4123 3774.

Jeff Lambert in an email comments: the Xmasbulletin brought back memories to me of onewho stayed with the Corps and one thatpassed on all too early in life.

Firstly Ted Laker was my first instructor at theSchool of Survey at Balcombe. He and GeorgeRickets instructed our Basic Course, the 4/52under Chief Instructor Lieutenant Colonel BillJohnson. I always remember Ted as firm butvery fair. He was always willing to help andencourage those who might find the going a

little tough from time to time. At the same timehe always displayed a quiet sense of humour. Iremember on one particular occasion when wewere paid a visit from the then Minister for theArmy.

One of our course members, Bob Molloy, hadair photography of two aerial masts lined upunder a stereoscope to demonstrate the thirddimension effect. When told what to expectwhen he looked through the viewer the Ministerexclaimed: My gosh! That is absolutelymarvellous! Well, after the Minister had gone,it was a very embarrassed Bob who admittedto Ted that one of the photos was around thewrong way and that the third dimension wasanywhere but under the viewer. Ted, instead ofgoing crook at Bob, saw the funny side and allenjoyed the funny side for quite a few momentsafterwards. Takes a politician!

I also remember setting up for the first time, atripod (for the Jigger) where Ted had the classon a very steep hillside. It wasn’t until the classfound that one observation target was directlyuphill that they realised that even on tip toesthe eye piece or the jigger was about level withthe top of one’s head. It was the sight of Tedhaving a quiet giggle under a nearby tree, thatcaused everyone realised that a lesson hadbeen successfully delivered.

My other reference is to your article onplutonium clean up at Maralinga, and youreditorial footnote re the Corps having membersat Maralinga during the atomic tests. When Iwent to Balcombe instructing in approximately1959, Jim Bownds was on the instruction staff.I can remember, at that stage, Jim was havingtrouble with a stomach complaint. Jim told methat he had been at Maralinga as an observerand was one of those who faced away from theblast for so many seconds and then were toldto turn and face the explosion site.

I never saw Jim again after I left Balcombesince at that point I left the Survey Corps,however, someone told me that Jim hadpassed away from stomach cancer. I would begrateful if any one may shed further light on thematter. Regards Jeff LambertEd: Jim Bownds died of stomach cancer in the late1960s.

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Brian Mead from Western Australia emails:Just had the chance to finish reading the latestBulletin.I really enjoyed the article by LVJ Smith on thebreaking of the Miner’s Strike and also the ‘OldCrusty’ feature by the WO2 Peter Coles from 1Topo Svy Sqn.

A comment in Peter Coles writing caught myeye.... In order to increase manning levels, ithas been mooted that training could beadjusted and shortened ....... but gladly many inthe trade, jumped on this right from the start.

My mind immediately went back to my time onstaff at the SMS (mid 1970's) and theintroduction of the Systems Approach toTraining and the Sledge Hammer approach toits introduction, compounded by the fact that noone really understood how it was orcould work. Quote of the time was – ‘to teach asoldier what he needs to know, in order to dohis job’. The guillotine was applied to coursecontent with the desired effect being achieved– about 50% less time on an introductory BasicCourse. I remember being branded at the ripeold age of 26 years of age – ‘as being resistantto change’. Bill Boyd said goodbye to me, onthe day that I was posted back to Bendigo andcommented on the ‘size of the smile on myface’. I must say that this period was the lowpoint of my time in the Corps.

I suppose it being 30+ years ago - one is nowable to put a few things in perspective !!! Mytime (post Army) in private enterprise has alsohad its difficult times - even now currentlyworking with my son in the pizza business withthe continual staffing problems.....RegardsBrian.Ed: As Senior Instructor at the School at that time Ihave to accept some if not all responsibility for theintroduction and application of training systems intothe School’s courses. It was of course TrainingCommand policy and I believe that we approachedthe application of Training Systems into our coursestructure with a good deal of care, certainly not witha view to shortening courses but to ensure that theircontent was entirely relevant to the job. I left theSchool at the end of 1974 and I must confess that inlater years as CO of the Army Survey Regiment Iheard accounts from those leaving the School thatgave me cause for concern.

What do you think Bill?

Bill Jeffery phoned in early January havingheard of Clem’s death. Like most of us whohave had a past association with Clem SargentBill held Clem in high regard and wassaddened at his passing. Bill recalled Clem onthe north Queensland survey field trips back inthe ‘60s when Bill himself was a not so youngfellow. Bill and Edith have left Golden Beach(Caloundra) and have taken up their new homeat a Kawana Island, about half way betweenCaloundra and Moolooaba on the SunshineCoast north of Brisbane. Bill’s new phonenumber is 5437 8168. He would appreciate acall from any of his old mates and perhaps avisit. Ask Bill for his new address.

Lionel Devencorn (Devey) phoned in Januarywith an interesting proposal. Lionel, for thoseyounger blokes who may not know or not evenhave heard of him, is one of out WW2 veteranshaving served with 5 Coy. Lionel, now a young90, has been and still is an artist, graphicdesigner and humorist and is known to many ofus by way of his WW2 cartoons. When Lionelwas demobbed in 1946 he set up his ownbusiness as a commercial artist which he ranfor 30 years. Having successfully sold off hisbusiness he worked for a number of years forthe Queensland Government Printer in thegraphic art department until his retirement atage 65. Needing something to do in retirementhe took on teaching art at the Brisbane Collegeof Graphic Arts. Lionel’s wife Ivy died lastNovember and now Lionel lives by himself inhis Camp Hill home. He says ‘Meals onWheels’ are great. Recently Lionel had sixweeks in Greenslopes Hospital with twofractures to his vertebrae about which little canbe done. Lionel has nothing but praise forGreenslopes and the wonderful nursing staffthat looked after him. Now... what is thatinteresting proposal? Lionel the artist andhumorist has in mind drawing half a dozenhumorous post cards which he will havepublished and allow the Association to sell as afundraiser. Army humour of course. Lionel isgoing send me some proofs and we will seewhere we go from there.PS Lionel’s cards have arrived and needless to say,they are excellent. We need to run off a number ofcopies and see what we can do with them. I suspectcolour laser printing may be the way to go. - Ed

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John Cattell is well and truly back on trackafter his illness and as active as ever. John,still living at Nerang spends several days eachweek renovating his daughter’s oldQueenslander home at Windsor. Those of youwho know what a ‘Queenslander home’ iswould appreciate the huge amount of workinvolved in their renovation/restoration. Theseare the houses built of timber in the early partof the last century on six foot high stumps andsurrounded by spacious verandas. Part of theprocess usually involve elevating the house afurther two of three feet to provide regulationheadroom beneath – no mean task! Bestwishes John and Sally from all of us.

Jerry Warber; Brian Mead reports that JerryWarber served in RA Survey for 20 years andworked in Litho Squadron prior to finishing hisservice with 5 field Survey Squadron in theearly 1970s. Howard Jones recalls workingwith Jerry and has commented “I worked withJerry for a year; absolutely a competent topnotch Litho technician’. The front page of the

WestAustralian

newspaperfeatured anarticle on Jerryunder theheading ‘Notime for sorryas the stolenmake their own

Gerry Warber way’ and with thecaption:‘Going back: Gerry Warber is a member of theStolen Generation but doesn’t care about anapology. He is part of a group involved in a $9million deal to buy the old Sister Kate’s home inQueens Park, a place where he spent much ofhis childhood. The group plans an aged carefacility and healing centre’.

In the accompanying article Jerryacknowledged his indifference to compensationwas largely due to his good treatmentcompared to that of other Aboriginal childrentaken from their parents. He said that thoughhe never experienced abuse, there was a lackof acknowledgement of the trauma of beingseparated from family. He said that the firsttime he knew he had a father was when he

was told that the man had died. Jerry was 13 atthe time and remembered being discouragedfrom attending the funeral. He later found outas an adult that his father had tried to visit himat Sister Kate’s but was turned away at thegate.

Dave Anderson has sent an interesting clipfrom the Sydney Morning Herald dated8.01.08. It reads: More on Anzac, Canada fromBill Lockley of Calgary, Alberta. ‘The town ofAnzac is in Alberta and is a few kilometers byroad south-east of Fort McMurray. It is locatedat 56 degrees 27 minutes north latitude and111 degrees 1 minute west longitude and is onthe west shore of Gregoire Lake. It wasreportedly named Anzac by the AustralianArmy surveyors who surveyed the area in1916. Don’t ask me why the Australian Armywas surveying that area in the middle of thewar but they were. It was possibly in relation tothe railway to Fort McMurray being builtthrough the area at the time. The town is quitesmall but is experiencing a boom at presentdue to the enormous quantities of heavy oil inthe area. At the moment the temperature inAnzac is minus 11 degrees which would beconsidered warm for January’.Ed – how incredible!

Noel Clutterbuck In our last Bulletin I reportedfrom Western Australia that Noel’s olderbrothers Eric and Cedric both passed awaywithin hours of each other and that ‘young’Noel was understandably quite devastated.Brian Mead has passed on this furtherinformation concerning Noel:After deferring surgery for some years Noelhas now had a successful quadruple by-passoperation on Mon 7 Jan 08 at the MountHospital in Perth. He is to be transferred out ofIntensive Care to a Private Room in the nextday or so. Noel deferred the surgery for severalyears as he was wary of the operation andpreferred to tolerate his condition. His period ofconvalescence will last for several weeks. Hisniece Helen Cole told me, that following thedeaths of his two older brothers - hereconsidered his options and decided on thesurgery. At this time, Noel is very much lookingforward to going home and carrying on with hislife.

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Our best wishes are extended to Noel for aspeedy recovery.

An Odd Mention: Inevitably when watchingsome TV feature film one’s ears prick whencertain words are uttered – words likesurveying or mapping, especially whenassociated with military or army. Such was thecase recently when watching a very gritty crimemini series late one evening called ‘TheSilence’ starring Richard Roxburgh (goodAussie actor) as a stressed out detective whenquestioning some seedy character about hiswhereabouts in 1944 the response was (wordsto the effect) “Army, I was in New Guinea; no, Iwasn’t a real soldier – I was making maps”.Well now, I wonder where the writer of that miniseries got that from?

Bill Boyd writes: It was with great interest thatI read WO2 Peter Coles’s “crusty” article in theDecember 2007 Bulletin. Thank you Peter, forproviding informed comment on the ‘headsunder the hat badges’ of your two corps.

When I wrote the letter below (on the 26th

March 1996 to WO1 Mick Hogan), I was morethan a little confident that the ‘enduring factor’would survive integration. Peter has confirmedthat it did survive.

Dear Mick,Again my thanks for the hospitality that

you and the other serving members showedme and the other "old and bold" who joined youlast Saturday night. It was a memorable eventand for my part, the honour of being seated atthe head table was much appreciated.

I was concerned at the apprehension apparenton the night. Indeed there was also bitterness.RASvy is not the only corps to be disbanded. Inrelatively recent times, Service Corps wasdisbanded. There was at that time, a ServiceCorps WO2 as the SSM of the School ofMilitary Survey, (as distinct from the WO1RASvy Instructor). He vowed and declared thathe would only continue to serve if he weregiven his preference of corps, which was totransfer to the Corps of Transport. He wasallocated to Ordinance Corps.

Two or three years later he was awarded theMedal of the Order of Australia for services toOrdinance Corps.

RASvy is our past. For me it is some yearspast. For serving members, it is soon to betheir past. They cannot remain de-factomembers of a no-existent corps. Certainly theycan enjoy their memories as do all we ‘old andbold’. What they take to their new corps is theirskills and their integrity.

Their skills are transient attributes as they willprobably either be superceded by technologyor career progression.

Integrity is the enduring factor. Personalintegrity and integrity of the product, to mymind is the hallmark of RASvy. If this is not thecase, then there is nothing of value to pass onto the Engineers and in particular oursuccessors, the Geomatic Technicians.

The Engineers’ hat badge is historically ours,although I would not launch a ‘sacred artifact’claim over it. Provided the head under the hatbadge has this integrity, it is all that can beexpected in a world where change is acertainty. The Geomatic Technicians will, Itrust, make their mark in the history of Australiaas has RASvy. Kindest regards,

W.R.(Bill) Boyd OAM

Bill Baker: Barry Lutwyche was in Tassyrecently visiting his brothers at Longford (nearLaunceston) and met with Bill Baker. Bill andhis wife are managing (owning perhaps) a B&Bin the converted Racecourse Inn. Bill would beknown to many in this part of the countryhaving served as a field surveyor with I Fd SvySqn in the late 70s/80s.

John Siddons was a national serviceman inthe late 1960s. As lithographic tradesman hewas posted to the Regiment in Litho Squadronand at one point was listed for Vietnam servicebut didn’t make it before his time ran out. Sinceleaving Nasho he has worked in the printindustry in some of the big name companies inSydney. My contact with John was in trying tolocate Lindsay Rotherham, a National Servicescreen printer who served with me in Vietnamand as an apprentice of the year screen printer

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was largely responsible for overcoming theteething problems we were having with thescreen printing process after its introduction tothe theatre. Lindsay stayed with us for sixweeks and then had to return to Australia to dohis battle efficiency training at JTC (Canungra)to return to Nui Dat some months later. (TheArmy works in mysterious ways some times). Ishould add that Evan Geri and Ken Slater alsodid a great job on the screen printer.

Grant Doran: Culling through some of myaccumulated Bulletin material I chanced acrosshard copy of an email from Grant Doran datedAugust 2006. Maybe I replied to Grant at thetime but have done so again asking him forsome details of his life after Survey. Clearly itmust be interesting... Grant‘s email reads ‘Iserved in Survey Corps from 1984 to 1989 at 5Field and then at the Regiment. I have beensent a copy of your magazine. I am sorry I can’tmake the reunion. I live in Tuscany now andwork in the UK during the week but I wouldhave liked to catch up with everyone’. Cheers,Grant Doran.

THE NOT SO WELL

Ian (Ike) Lever has had an extended period ofhospitalisation at Greenslopes havingextensive investigation into malfunctioningkidneys. Ike and Betty live at Point Vernon,Hervey Bay and have done so since leavingAlbury about eight years ago. Ike during hisservice was perhaps one of the most wellknown and well respected warrant officers ofhis time and word of his illness has beenpassed around the Associations generating anumber of reminiscences. Jim Jefferies recalls:Ike continued in the Army Reserve for a while. Iremember we held an Operational MappingCourse in the mid to late 80s and a fairlystrenuous route march on a warm day was partof the pain. Ike, by far the oldest memberchivied the others along (I was driving the meatwagon). At this time Ike worked in the AlburyTax Office, and when I went to Albury Councilon my retirement, I often saw him walkingpurposefully at lunch times.His daughter came to work at Council; I toldher that when I first met Ike, he was a prettyintimidating WO1; she said that he sometimesput the fear of God into her as well!

I remember being on duty at the Regt on aFriday night and finally got around to close theSergeant's Mess bar. Ike, Alex Cairney andIvor Hastings were still there. They did not wantto leave, and were happy to look afterthemselves, promising to close up and go tobed soon, so the steward quickly disappearedand, discretion being the better part of valour, Iwandered off to bed myself. I was a bitsurprised to hear mumbling coming from theMess very early next morning and found themstill there and they would have stayed had I notbucked up a bit of courage and suggested that'perhaps, gentlemen, it's time to call it a day?'.They went like lambs!

Terry Linz remembers Ike umpiring on the footyfield. Terry says: Ike was my WO2 in Carto Hewas a lovely fellow and taught me a lot aboutdrafting but my fondest memory of Ike was at afooty match he was umpiring and he wasnormally always in control but a couple ofstirrers were giving him a hard time, he finallysnapped and raced over to the boundary lineand threw his whistle at them, we all fell aboutlaughing. Brian Mead recalls the same incidentwith a slightly more graphic account of Ike‘snapping’. It was Peter Mansell from AirSurvey Squadron who attracted Ike’s ire.

Perhaps it is a mark of Ike’s popularity that hisillness has generated these reminiscences. Allof his Corps colleagues pass on their bestwishes to Ike and Betty for Ike’s speedyrecovery.PS Since the above Betty has emailed - Ike wasdischarged on Saturday, so we didn't have muchtime to notify anyone. He will need a few weeks togain his strength back, but with me trying to keep upwith his demands, he should recover, if I don't dohim a mischief in the meantime.

Late Vale notice – Ken Shaw reports – at1.30am Wednesday 27 February 2008, InaMarks, wife of Major Merv Marks (Retd),formerly RA Svy Corps, passed away at theirhome, 32 East Boundary Road,East Bentleigh,Victoria following a long battle with cancer overmany years.

A LETTER FROM JEFF TURNER

Jeff writes....a brief run-down of my life.

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Military Service enlisted May 1966, discharged1975 with rank of Sergeant.

I was corps enlisted to RA Survey, but anadministrative SNAFU actually saw me postedto the School of Artillery, North Head, whichnaturally was a huge disappointment to me.Except that a posting to North Head at Manlydefinitely had a silver lining to a 17 year oldyouth! I completed a basic gunnery coursethere, and passed, and became a fully qualifiedGunner, without hearing a 105mm Howitzer gobang. I was posted to Holdsworthy but then myCorps transfer to Survey came through and Idid my Basic Survey Course in early 1967,then on to Adelaide and Central CommandField Survey Unit, where I served for most ofmy military career. I had the pleasure ofserving as a Sapper under Peter Bates-Brownsword, John Harrison, Arthur Henson,Major Don Ridge and others. In 1972 I wasposted to the Map Depot, as a substantiveCorporal, temporary Sergeant, getting HDA toWO. I was at the Depot for the move fromSouth Kensington to Bandiana, under CaptPeter Rossiter.In 1968 we had a survey operation in ArnhemLand with bases at Daly River and Oenpelliand for a time in Katherine. In 1969 DaveCollins, Scobie Wilkes, Pommy Howarth andmyself had another trip to the NorthernTerritory, mainly annotating. We were based inKatherine. On completion of that tour, we allcame back to Adelaide, and that December Imarried Magdalen. We had our first son inSeptember 1971, Nathan, named after the bestman at our wedding, John (Jim) Nathan. Wethen had that couple of eventful years at theDepot, mainly in Wodonga and then a postingback to 4 Field Survey Sqn in Adelaide. I hadservice under three OCs in Adelaide, DonRidge, Jorge Gruszka and George Ricketts.

In 1974 I had the field trip to PNG. The mainbase was at Goroka with a forward base inDaru. I was part of a two teamed Geocieverparty that included Eddie Schultz, Bob Ballardand an American civilian, (who was aninteresting and intelligent fellow). Peter Bionwas the Tech Officer. That trip to PNG wasvery much an eye opener to me, and is thereason that from 1980 to 1990, I lived and

worked in PNG. It was a fascinating country –still is but perhaps for the wrong reasons.

Anyway, in 1975, nearing my 10th anniversaryin the Army, Magdalen and I decided that itwas time to settle down in suburbia. We werealso on the adoption list and were a littleconcerned that if a posting came up, wherewould that leave us? In Oct 1975 we adoptedMatthew, our son No 2. For the next 5 years Iworked for the Dept of Engineering and WaterSupply in Adelaide. That got so boring that Iapplied for and got a position with theGovernment of PNG, the Department of Worksand Supply. We moved with our two boys toPort Moresby. I had eight years with theDepartment, as their building DivisionManager. Magdalen and I were divorced in1994. Magdelen stayed on in PNG but nowlives north of Brisbane.

I left PNG in 1990 and took a job in Melbournewith GHD; headed north in 1993 to Cairns,married Deb in 94, and managed to pick up astep daughter to go with that deal (Emily). Wemoved to Brisbane in 1997 to work withanother consultancy firm and then back up toCairns in 2000. I worked away from home formost of the period 1993-2000, mainly withAboriginal and Islander communities on theCape and in the Torres Strait. In 2000 I starteda seven year local government stint, five yearsin Burketown as the Works Overseer and then2 years with Carpentaria Shire as the DeputyDirector of Engineering. Deb was still based inCairns throughout that period. By October2007, we had had enough of that lifestyle, Iwas offered a good job in Cairns so here I am!This really is the first time in 13 years that Deband I have actually lived together.

Well, that is me in a nutshell really. I haven'thad too much to do with RA Svy and exmembers, been too remote. However I havemanaged to find a few and exchange emailswith people; Mark Temme in Adelaide, still withPlayford Shire and Peter Mansell. I lookforward to more contact with old mates in thefuture. Regards Jeff TurnerJeff – as you can see and as suggested by youI have edited your letter. I have kept theoriginal and will be able to use it to fill a fewgaps in our history project ....Ed

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MAPMAKERS DINNER October 2007

Peter Bates-Brownsword, Karen and Michael Duniam,Alex Cairney, Wally & Liz Chilcott,Barbara Bates-Brownsword

Mary Ann Thiselton, Ian Fitzgerald & Jacinta Hynes,Marianne Gill

Greg Anderson, Jim Gill John & Cheryl Hook

Michael and Karen Duniam Cheryl and John Hook

Jacinta Hynes & Ian Fitzgerald Wally & Liz Chilcott

Mary Ann Thiselton with Jim and Marianne Gill

Alex Cairney & Wally Chilcott

The Artillery band ensemble Soldiers of today - Sprs Johnstone & Wolinski

Peter Bates-Brownsword with RA Svy shield

The honorable Alex Cairney

Peter Bates-Brownsword presents RA Svy shield toMajor David Sapparth, OC 1 Topo Svy Sqn

jazz afternoon - 3 dec 2007

The Band - Peter Bates-Brownsword on the drums

All of us with some of Peter's neighbours

The jazz trioThe jazz singer