SensePerceptionsareBuiltintotheAstralBodyRiceLake,Wisconsin—March29,2014

Welcome,friends,tothisafternoonsessionofthefirstdayofourfour-daymeetingsheretocelebratetheBhandaraofGreatMasterHazurMaharajBabaSawanSinghJi,myMaster.InthemorningIwastellingyousomeusefulfactsaboutourhumanbody,thatthisbodyhassomeuniquecharacteristicswhichnootherbodyhas.Iwasmentioninghownotonlydoesithavephysicalelementswhichareamazing,ithasastralelementswhichareamazing,ithasgotspiritualelementswhichareamazing,itcontainsthecreatorhimselfinside.Thesoul,theseekerandthesoughtbothareinside.

So,whatelsedoweneed?Itmakesourspiritualjourneysoshort.Wehavetogonowhereexcepttowithinourownself.Unfortunately,werunallovertheworldlookingforsomethingthat’salreadyinside.Theytalkofthemuskdeer.Themuskdeerhasafragrancecomingfromhishead.Hedoesn’tknowwhereit’scomingfrom,runsalloverthegardenintheforest—laysdowntired.“Whereisthiscomingfrom?”Hedoesn’trealizeit’scomingfrominside.

Weareinthesameposition.Thetruthisinside.We’relookingoutside.Andthenwekeeponlookingoutsideafterhearingthatthetruthisinside.Westillsearchoutside,becausewhenwecloseoureyesitisdark.Weopenoureyeswecanseethings.It’sveryelementarywhywelookoutside.Becausewedon’tseeanythingwhenwecloseoureyes.Therefore,wedon’trealizethatitisnotwiththeeyesthatwesee.It’swiththeattentionthatwesee.Supposingsomethingisinfrontofyouandyoucloseyoureyes,thatthingisstillinfrontofyou.Yourawarenessisthatthethingisinfrontofyou.Here’sthiscupofwaterinfrontofme.Iamseeingitwithmyeyesopen.Iknowwhereitis.Iclosemyeyes;I’mstillfeelingit’sthere.

Whereismyattention?Outsidenotinside.Closingtheeyesdoesnottakeyourattentioninside.Onehastorememberthis,thatmeditationisnotmerelycalmingyourspiritbyclosingyoureyes.Meditationistowithdrawyourattentionbehindtheeyes.Withdrawalofattentionistotallydifferentfromfocusingattentiononsomething.Wehavebeentaughthowtofocusattention.Wehavebeentaughthowtoconcentrateonsomethingoutsidebyfocusingattentiononsomethingoutside.We’resousedtoitwehaveneverpracticedwithdrawalofattention.Withdrawalofattentionmeanstakingtheattentionbacktothepointfromwhereit’scomingout.

Wedon’tknowhowtodoit.Nobodyevertaughtus.Fromchildhoodtilltodaywe’veonlybeentaughthowtofocusattentionoutside.Sothatiswhyit’ssomethingnewforus.Meditationistheartandtechniqueofwithdrawingattentioninside,andthenopeninguptheinnerdoor—otherwiseitwon’topen.Youcancloseyoureyesandthinkaboutallthethingsandeyesarestilllookinginfront.Youjustblockedthevisionbyclosingyoureyes.Itdoesn’tmeanthattheeyesarelookinganywhereelse.Sometimespeoplesaythatwecloseoureyesandweimaginethatwearesittinginsidethehead.Doyouknowwheretheysit?Theydon’tknowthat…theydon’t…theydon’tcheckitout.Wherearetheyactuallysittingwhentheysay,“We’veclosedoureyesandwearesittinginsideourhead?”They’resittingjustoutsidetheeyes.Andagain,Igiveademonstrationtothemthatagainwithyoureyesclosedyouknowwheretheeyesare.Youcanraiseyourhandshere.Ifyounowinthedarknessthinkthatthereyou’resitting—littlepictureofyourself—anywayyoumakeofyourselfandthenyoutrytobringthehandstoyoureyes,you’llsee—handshavealreadycrossedthepointwhereyouhavethatimage.Anytimeyoucancheckitout.Whichmeans:whatwethinkwe’recreatinganimageinsideisalsooutside.Wearenotwithdrawingattention.Theotherproblemisthathowcanweseeourselvesinsidewhenwewanttobeourselves?Supposingweseeanimageofourselvesinthemeditation,don’twerealizethat...howcanwelookatthatimageifwearetheimage?Wearetheoneslookingattheimage,whichisbehindthatimageobviously.Thesearesimplemistakeswemake,andwecankeeponmakingthismistakeallourlife.Afterinitiation,afterlearningthetechniqueofmeditation,wecanmakethesemistakes.Sothatiswhythetechniqueofwithdrawingattentionissomethingverydifferent.It’snottocloseoureyesandmakeapictureofsomething—thatstillkeepsyourattentionoutside.Thetechniqueofgoingwithinistouseanotherfacultythatwehave,afacultythatis,thatcomplimentsattentionandconcentration.Thatfacultyiscalledimagination.Nowpeoplepooh-poohimagination:“It’sonlyimaginary.”Theydon’trealizeit’saverybigtoolinmeditation.It’saverybigtoolbecausesupposingyouwanttoimaginethatyou’resittingonthistablerightnexttome.Everyonecanimagineyou’resittingonthetable.You’restillthere,butyourimaginationcantakeyousittinghere—youfeelyou’resittinglookingattheaudience.Itcanbedone.Youdidn’tmove.Whatmoved?Yourattention!Ifyouwanttosayyou’resittingontopofthisbuilding,youcanimaginetopofthebuilding,youcanseetherearelandscapefromthere.

Imaginary,buttheimaginationhasdrawnyourattentionthere.Itdoesn’tmatterwhetherit’simaginaryornot.Thequestionis,theattentionmoveswithimagination.Therefore,toreallybringyourattentiontothethirdeyecenter,thecenterwhereyouarealreadynotionallyexistinginthewakefulstate,youonlyimagineyouarethere.Notthatyoumakepicturesoryoudosomethingelse—youimagineyouarethere,andI’lltellyouasweproceedhowtodoit.Today,oursessionwillbeto…howtoimagineyouareinsidethehead.Butbeforeweproceedthere,Iwanttodoacoupleofexperiments.Howmanyofyouhavenevercometomyprogrambefore?Plentyformetorepeattheoldthings.ThethingIdonormallytoshowthatimaginationcanmoveyourattentionanywhereinthebodyiscalledthe“OrangeJuiceExperiment.”Manyofyouhavedoneit.Let’sdoitagain.Thosewhohavedoneitbeforeandgottiredofitneednotdoit.[Laughter]Inthisexperimentit’sonlymeanttoshowusthepowerofattentionanditsmovementwithinthebody.Thenwe’llbeabletounderstandhowtomovethatattentionbehindtheeyes.Inthisexperiment,wewillimaginethatourbodyishollowandmadeofglass,brittleglass.It’ssobrittlethatifwemoveitmightcrack.So,yousee,inthisexerciseyouhavetobeverystill.Otherwisetheglasswillcrack.Secondly,it’shollow,there’snothinginside.So,youhavetofillitupwithorangejuice.There’sspecialreasonforselectingorangejuice—it’spopularinFloridaStatehere.Andalso,it’sstickyandit’scolored.So,allthesewillbeofgoodvaluewhenweevaluatewhatwearedoing.Weimaginethatthisbodyismadeofglassandwehaveto,throughourimagination,fillitupwithorangejuicestartingfromthetoesofthefeetandfillingitupthroughourlegsgoingallthewaytothetorso,fillingupourarmsandintothehead,righttothetopofthehead.Fromthetipofthetoestothetopofthehead,youfillitupwithorangejuice.Onceyou’vedonethat,I’llgiveyoufurtherdirections.So,closeyoureyes.Imagineyou’remadeofglassandfillupyourbodieswithorangejuice.Howmanyofyoulikedthisexperiment?Verygood.Howmanyofyouthoughtitwasuseless?[Laughter]Whatwerewetryingtodo?Isthismeditation?ThetruthisIwaswatchingallofyou,andyouwereputtingyourattentionwhereIwastellingyou,withconcentration.So,you’reallqualifiedtomeditate.Isn’titagreatthing,thatyou’reallqualifiedbecauseyouhavecontroloveryourattention?Butdoyouknowwhattoolyouusetodothat?Imagination.YouplacedyourselfindifferentpartsofthebodyasIwasinstructing,bythepureuseof

imagination,andyetit’stheattentionthatmoved.It’sthesamethingthatweneedtodo.Thesesenseperceptionsthatwehave,throughwhichwe’reexperiencingourselves,throughwhichwefeelwehaveabody…howdoweknowwehaveabody?Wehavetactilesense;wehavesenseoftouch,taste,smell.Allthesesensesaremakingusknowwehaveabody.Andbecausewehaveabodywithsenseperceptions,weknowthereisaworld,therearepeople,therearethings.It’sonlythesenseperceptions.Andwebelievethatwecanseebecausewehavetheseeyes,andifwe’reblindwecan’tsee.Butthetruthisthattheeyesdon’tsee.Whenyou’reknockedoutofconsciousnesswithanesthesia,eyesareopenyoudon’tsee.Whenyou’resleeping,youreyesareopen,youdon’tsee.Youseesomethingelse.Iftheeyesweretosee,theywouldseeallthetime.Whatisthelinkbehinditthatmakesyousee?It’sthelifeforce.It’stheconsciousness.[If]you’renotconscious,noneofthesesenseperceptionswouldwork.Senseperceptionsarenotworkingbecauseofthisbody;senseperceptionsareworkingbecausethey’rebuiltintosomethingthatoperatesthroughthebody.Whatthey’rebuiltintoiscalledtheastralbody,whichwasthebodyyouhadbeforeyouwereborn,whichwillbethebodyyouwillhaveafteryoudiephysically.Thatbodyhasamuchlongerlifethanthisphysicallife.Intermsofphysicaltime,theaveragelifeofthatbodyisonethousandtothreethousandphysicalyears.Youcanimaginehowlongyou’velivedinthatbody.Andthisisaveryshortsteptotakethisbody—mighthavetakenmanybodiesduringonelifetimeoftheastralbody.Andyetyou’reusingthesenseperceptionsofthesamebodytolookthroughtheseeyes,thesehands,theseears,thesenose.Wouldn’tyouliketoseethatbody?Andseehowitworks?Anotherexperiment:Inthisexperimentyouwillcloseyoureyesandimagine…justimaginationagain…imagineyou’resittinginsideyourhead.Forthatyouhavetofirstimaginethisisahouseofyours.It’sahousewhichhasseveralstories,severalfloors,sixfloorstobemoreaccurate.Becauseofthechakras—energychakras—wemakeitsixfloors.Andthosefloorsdooperate,ifyouhavemeditationofthesixchakras,ifyou’vedonethatmeditation,you’llfindthattheydoseparatelikefloors.Youarealreadyinthewakefulstateatthesixthfloor.Behindtheeyesisthesixthfloor.Buildanicefloorbyimagination.Putanicecarpetorrugonitbehindyoureyes.Placethebestchairyoucanthinkof,placethatinthecenteroftherug.Sitonthatchair.Haveasmallsidetable—notsobig,verysmall—smallsidetableonthe

side,andplaceabunchofflowerswithavase—whatyoucallit,vaseofflowersontheside.Andputadrink—itcanbeanydrink—inacupandaplateofyourfavoritesnacks.Thisisallimaginary;it’swhat’shappeninginthehead.So,firstimaginethatthisisahouseofyoursinwhichyouliveonthesixthfloor.Yougodownsometimes,butrightnowwe’reinthesixthfloorinthewakefulstate,thatyou’resittingonabeautifulchair,whichdidn’tcostyouanythingbecauseitwasimaginary,butit’sagoodchair,verycomfortable.Andwithcomfortablyyou’rehavingthatthingonyourrightside—tablewithadrink,flowersandasnack.Onceyou’veimaginedthat,Iwillgiveyouinstructionswhattodonext.So,closeyoureyes.Firstimaginethatthisisahouseandyou’reonthesixthfloorandyou’reinsidethesixthfloorandyou’relayinganicecarpetorrugandmakeitabeautifulplace.Youcanevenhavedrapesandcurtainsifyoulike.Makeitniceplace.It’sgoingtobeyourmeditationchamber,yourmeditationroomforthefuture,somakeitasgoodasyoucan.Wewillalwayscomebacktothisroomformeditation;wewon’tmeditateoutsideanymore.That’stheroomformeditation.Howmanyofyouwereabletodothisexperiment?Oh,verygood,that’sverygoodnumber,that’sverygoodnumber.Whatdidyouexperience?Doyoustillhavetheimageoftheflowersinfrontofyou?Howmanystillcanseethem?Howdidyouseethem?Notwiththeseeyes,butyousawthem.Howmanywereabletotastethesnack?Doyoustillhavethetasteinyourmouth?Howmanystillhavethetasteintheirmouth?VeryGood.Thesmell,thescentoftheflowers…howmanyofyousawsomethingthatyoudidnotwanttoimagineandsomethingelseturnedup?Isn’tthatwonderful?Whatdoesitreveal,thisexperiment?Thatthesesenseperceptionsareoperatingfromwithinandthatwithinisourastralbody.It’snotabody—thesenseperceptionscombinedcreatethatbody.Wecallittheastralbody.Ithasnomatter;ithasallperceptions,senseperceptions.Anditoperatesinconjunctionwiththisbody,fittedinsidethisbody,sowe,inconjunctionwiththat,areabletoseeandfeelwiththeseoutsidephysicaleyes,physicalhands,physicalnose,physicalearsbecausethesearetheonethatareencasingthecoveringnearyourbody.Becauseofthatcovering,ifthere’saobstructioninthisbody,wedon’tsee.Whenwe’reblind,we’reblindinthiseyebecausewe’recoveringthateye.Butifyou’renotusingthisbody,andwithdrawnyourattention,youcanalwayssee.Youwillnevermissseeingatall.You’llalwayshavegoodsight.Hereyoureyesareweak,

youwearglasses;thereyou’realways20/20becausethere’snothingobstructingthevision.So,theinnerbodywhichwecalltheastralbody,whichisthebodywhichhasoutlastedthislifeandweretherebeforewewereborn,thatistheonewhichisgoingtobemeditatinginside.Thephysicalbodyisjustacover,ashell.Youdon’tmeditatewithashell.Youmeditatewithsomethingreal,andthatismorerealthanthisbody.Itdoesn’tlooklikeit.Looksimaginary.Ifyouleavethisbodythatimaginarybodybecauseabsolutelyreal.Whatisblockingtherealityofthisbodyisourphysicalbodyandourassumptionandourexperience,continuously,thatthephysicalbodyistheonlyreality,thephysicalworldistheonlyreality.We’veneverexperiencedanyalternativereality.That’swhywesaythisisouronlyreality—everythingelseisimaginary.Youhavetostepoutofthisbodyintoyourownrealbody.You’llfindit.Nowthisisonlysteponeinmeditation.Whenyougototheastralbody,it’sonlysteponebecausetheastralbodyalsohasalife.Itcomesandgoeslikethisbodycomesandgoes.Thisisbornanddies;astralbodyalsoisbornanddies.Itdoesnotgiveyoupermanentrelieffromexperiencingtheselowerlevelsofcreation.Sothereisahigherbodyalso.That’sawonderfulbody.Thatbodyiscoveredbytheastralbody.Itdoesnothavesenseperceptions,becausesenseperceptionsareacover.Itdoesnothavematter—matterisaphysicalcover.Thatisthecauseofallexperiences.Thatisthecauseofeverythingthatwearewatching.Thatbodycreatestheuniverse;thatbodycreatesalluniverses;thatbodycreateseverythingthatcaneverbeexperiencedintimeandspacebyanybody.Thatisthemostimportantbody,thecausal—wecallitcausalbody—iscausingeverything.Whatistherealnatureofthecausalbody?Wehaveanothernameforit,andyoumightbesurprised.Theothernameisthemind.Themindisthecausalbody.There’snobodythere.Themindcreatesthebody,themindistheoriginatorofalltheexperiences,andthemindiscoveredbytheastralsenseperception,themindiscoveredbythisphysicalbody.Mindhasaveryuniquefeature.It’samachine.It’snotourself.It’slike...Justlikethisbodyisnotourself,it’samachinegiventous.Theastralbodysenseperceptionsarenotourself,they’rejustamachineattachedtoustowork,touse.Themindisalsojustamachine,butthemindisthemostsinistermachine,whichhasledustoitselftotheextentthatwearetotallyconvincedthat’sourself.Weeventhinkthisphysicalbodyourself.Sometimesthethoughtcomes,“Maybenot.”Maybe

somethingelseisthere.”Theastralbodysenseperceptionslookveryreal.Peoplethinkthat’sthesoul.Peoplehavetalkedtometellingme,“Yes,mysoulwentfromonebodytoanother.Mysoulwasborn.”They’recallingtheastralbodyasoul.Theydon’t—noideawhatasoulis.Soulisnotabodyatallofanykind.Soulispureconsciousness,theabilitytopickupawarenessthroughourbody—thatissoul.Soulissomethingverydifferentandthat’sourrealnature—soul—andwe’remixingitupwithourbodies.Andthebiggestconfusionisbetweenthemindandthesoul.Mindisathinkingmachine.Mindhasbiglimitations,althoughitcreateseverything,butitonlycreatesintimeandspace.Itcreateseverything,onlycreateswithcauseandeffect.Itcreateseverything,itcreateskarma—itcreatesthelawofkarma.Soulhasnokarmaatall.Wehavenokarmaatall.We’rebearingthekarma,goingthroughthekarmaofourmind,whichwasgiventousforaverybeautifulpurpose:thinkwhenyouwantto,communicatewhenyouwantto,writewhenyouwantto,speakwhenyouwantto,usethemindforallthesethings.Notthatyoubecomethemind.Useitforallthesepurposes.You’renotthemind;you’rethepowerthatmakesthemindalive;you’rethepowerthatmakessenseperceptionsalive;you’rethepowerthatmakesthephysicalbodyalive;you’rethelifeforcethatmakeslifeatalllevels.So,youarebeyondthese.Nowbecauseit’saveryrareexperiencetoevengobeyondthemind,veryfewpeoplehavegone—veryfewpeople.Thosepeople...somearehidingsomewhere,somehavecometodeliveramessagethatyou’rebeyondthemind,“andplease,ifyouwanttogotoyourtruehome—immortality,trueimmortality,thesoulisimmortal,mindisnot—youwanttogotoimmortality,gobeyondthemind.”Thosepeoplecanbecountedonthefingersofyourhands,they’resofewinbillionsofpopulationonthisplanet.So,it’sararething.Howdowefindthosepeoplewhohavegonebeyondthemind?Youcan’tfindthem.Sorry.Becauseyouhavenomeanstofindthem,youhavenomeanstoknow.Alloursearchisconfinedtothemind.Alloursearchisconfinedtotimeandspace.Wecan’tsearchanythingthat’soutsideourtime.Wecan’tevenimagine,wecan’tthink,wecan’tcontemplateanythingoutsideoftimeandspace.That’sthelimitationofthemind.Themindcan’tfunctionbeyondthat.Therefore,alloursearchisfromthemind.Alloursearchisfromcontemplationandthinkingwiththemind,soweneverfind.Butifsomebodyreallywantstogointoimmortality,atrueseeker,aseekerwho’snottryingforthrills,nottryingtosay,“Letmehaveanoutofbodyexperience,”notthat“Iwanttohavesomeimageof,glimpseof,heaven

orhell”—notthat.Ifthere’saseekerwhosays,“Iwanttogointotrueimmortalitywherethere’snobirthanddeathatall,then,hehastomerelyseek,andhecan’tfindthatpersonwhocanhelphim,butthepersoncanfind.Ifthepersoncannotfindaseeker,they’renotqualified.Itisnottheseeker’sjobtofindaPerfectLivingMasterwhocantakeyoubeyondthemind;it’sthejobofthePerfectLivingMastertofindtheseeker.Whentheseekerisready,whichmeanshehassoughtenoughandsaidthisisnotwhatIwant,aPerfectLivingMasterappearsinhislife.Appearsthroughcoincidence,appearsinmanyunusualways,insecretways.Rumisays,MaulanaRumsays,“Sultan,whichisaking,saint,theholiestofmen,andpickpocket,athief,allarebeingdraggedbytheearwiththepoweroflove.”AndthenRumisays,“IdidnotknowthatGodhimselfdesiresus.Ididnotknow.Wethoughtweareseeking;wedidn’trealizehe’sseekingus.”He’smorekeentoseekusthanweare.Whenhefindsamatch,seekerwithseeker.Whenhefindsthatthisseekerhasgonebeyondtheseekingofthingsthatlieinthethreeworldsofthemind,hecomesforthandseeksinsecretways.Thisisthebeautyofit.Secretwaysbecauseinourinnateself,inourrealself,welovemystery.Mindtriestoexplainmysteries,andwelovemysteries.Wearehappywithmysteries,andthemindisnot.Themindwantstothrowopeneverything—breakup,breakitandseewhatisinside.Wehaveanicetoyworking.Enjoyit.No,wewanttobreakandseehowitworksinside.That’sthenatureofthemind.Mindisanalyticalbynature;itanalyzeseverything.Ourconsciousness,oursoul,issynthesis;itjoinsandseesthingsinabiggrandpicture—inoneway,asonething.There’sadifferenceofapproach,butwehaveidentifiedwithourmindssomuchthatwedon’tknowwhoiswho.We’veevenforgottenthatthemindisonlyathinkingmachine,arationalizingmachine,amachinethatputstwoandtwotogether,amachinethatjustcomestoconclusions,amachinethatuseslogic.It’samechanicalthingattachedtous,giventous,usefulbutonlyusefulifyouuseit.Andifthemindstartsusingyou,thenthere’ssomethingwrongsomewhere.There’sastoryofa,anoldstoryweuseto,wecallitAlla-deen—theycallitAladdinhere.It’sthesamelittleboywhofound—Ithinkhefoundalampandherubbeditandagenieappeared.Hugegenieappeared,andthegeniesaid,“Master,commandwhatIshalldowithyou.”Thelittlefellowdidn’tknowthathe’sthemasternow,andthegenieistheslave.So,whenthegeniesaid,“Command.I’myouslave,I’lldowhatyouwant”hewassofirstofallfrightenedbyhisowngenie,andthenhebeganto

givesomeorders,“Genie,goandmakeahouseforme.”Geniemadeitinafewminutesandsaid,“Thehouseisready,whatelse?”Hesays,“Goandputabridgeontheriver.”Hebegantogiveallkindsoforders,andgeniecarriedthemout.Ultimately,hewasoutoforders.“Genie,dowhatyoulike.”ThegeniebegantotellAladdinwhattodo.Andthegeniebecamethemaster,andAladdinthemasterbecametheslave.So,therewasafriendofthisAladdinwhocameoneday,said,“Youusetobeveryhappy-go-luckyfellow,alwayscheerful.Whathashappened?Youlooksosad.”Hesaid,“I’msadbecauseIfoundagenie.Hesayshe’smyslave,butI’moutofallorderstogiveit,sohe’sgivingmeorders,andIdowhathetellsme.I’minabadshapenow.”Hesays,“Don’tworry.I’lltellyouawayout.Whenthegenienextasksyouwhattodo,tellhimgoandbringalongpole,awoodenpolefromtheforest,atree,cutitandmakeitapole.Whenhebringsthepole,tellhimdiginthemiddleofmyroom.Whenhe’sdugthepoleinthemiddleofyourroom,[and]hesayswhat’snext,hesaysgoupanddownthepoletillIgiveyounextorder.So,holdthegenieupanddownthepole.Whenyou’reready,giveitorder.Whenit’sfinisheddoing,sayupanddownthepole.”Mysticshaveusedthisanalogytosayourmindisagenie.Itwasourslave.Weweresupposedtouseit,giveorderstoittowhattothink,whattodo,whattorationalize,whatconclusiontocometo.Weweresupposedtobegivinginstructionswhatitshoulddo.Insteadofdoingthat,themindistellinguswhattodo.Themindtells,“NowI’mthinkinglikethis,dothis.”Andthenwesay,“Oh,weregretwhywedidthat.”Lookslikeit’sthereverse.So,themysticssay,“Bringthemindinthecenterofyourheadanddigapole,apoleofrepetitionofamantra.Solongasthemindisrepeatingthemantra,say,“Holdontoit.”Whenyouwantthemindtothinkanddosomething,takeitoff.Younowthinkyouhaveaproblem.Solveitlikethis:“Iwanttodothis.”It’sfinished,putitbackonpole,upanddown.Justanexamplehowwehavereversedthesituationofourrelationshipbetweenthemindandourself,ofoursoul.Wearesupposedtobethemaster,themindissupposedtobetheslave,andwehavetocorrectthis.Anditwillbecorrectedonlywhenweknowwhoweare.Itcantrulybecorrectedonlywhenwediscoverthatwe’reasoulandnotthemind,whichmeansthereshouldbeanabilityinustogobeyondthemindandintostateofbeingwherethemindisleftbehind,andweareabletoknowwhoweare.Andthatstateexistsrightinsideourhead.ThisisamazingthatallthatI’mtalkingaboutisallconfinedtoalittlespaceinthehead,andwecanaccessallthis,includinggoingbeyondthe

mind,butforthat,sinceoursearchisalwaysthroughthemind,weneedthehelpofaPerfectLivingMaster.Iwilltalkmoreaboutitlater.RightnowIwantyoutopracticethisgeniething.Thatmeans:makethemindrepeatsomething,sittinginthemiddleofthehead,thesameplacewhereyousatandsawtheflowers,sameplace…youdidn’tlookforwhereyouweresitting—youjustsat.Byimaginingthatthisisahouse,byimaginingyou’reonthe6thfloor,youveryconvenientlysatthere.Gobackthereandsitonthesamechairinthesameroomwiththesamecarpet,andthenstartrepeatingsomewords.Youknowthattheteachers,theMasters,giveuswordstorepeat.Wecallthem“simran,”wecallthem“mantra.”Whydotheygivethosewords?Tworeasons:One,therepetitionofanywordmakesthegeniegoupanddown,makesthemindrepeatthemandgetbusywiththerepetition;secondly,thosewordsarechosennottobeconnectedwithanyexperienceoutside.SupposingI’mgivingtheword“YeOldeShakey’sPizza”asmymantra,andIkeeponrepeating,“YeOldeShakey’sPizza,”I’llnevergoinside.I’llgotoalltheShakey’sPizzastoresthatIcanthinkof.Therefore,ifyou’regivenamantrawhichhasconnectionswithorassociationoutsidethings,itdoesn’twork.Therefore,theseaccomplished,enlightenedmystics,theygiveusamantraorawordwhichhasassociationinsidebutnotoutside.So,whenwerepeatthosewords,automaticallywithoutknowing,becausewehaven’tseenwhatthosewordsarereferringto,butatleasttheydonotpullusoutside,andwecanusethem.Theadvantageofthesewordsisthatitsqueezesoutthewordsofthought,thethoughtswhichalwaysdriveusout.Themindisalwaysthinking.(Bytheway,nobodycanstopthinking.Icantellyouwetriedexperimentsandpeoplethinkevenmorewhentheythinkthey’renotthinking.Thentheythink,“No,no,amInotthinking”andsoon.)Thethinkingisacontinuousdistractionforusbecausewethinkofoutsidethings.Byputtingthemantra,thesimran,inplaceofthethoughts,wearesqueezingoutthethoughtsandputtingsomethingelseintoit—that’sabigadvantage.Thesecondadvantage:IfthesewordshavebeengivenbyaPerfectLivingMaster,heempowersthosewords.Heempowersthewords,simplewordswhichwerejustvocalsymbols,theybecomeempowered.Whenyourepeatthemitpreventsnegativityfromattackingyou.Thosewordscanbesopowerful.Ifanybodyisafflictedbyghostsorspiritsorhauntedplaces,gothere,theyalldisappear—theyrun—sopowerful.

So,thisisanadvantagebecausewhenwearedoingspiritualpracticesandmeditationthereareoccasionswhenwecangowrong,whenotherforces—forcesthatareinterestedinournotgoingin.Thereareforcesthataresustainingthisexperienceoutside,andthoseforcespreventusfromgoingwithin,preventusfromhavingtheseexperiences,andtheyappearinnegativeforms.Soempoweredwordsareabletotacklethem.So,it’saveryusefulthing,andifyouarerepeatingthesewordsdayandnight,keepingthemindbusywiththewordsandonlytakingitoffwhenyouhavetodosomethingintellectualorrequiringamind,thennegativitynevercomesnearyouatall.That’saverybigadvantage.Andthesearealltestedthings—youcantestthemtoo.Nowhowmanyofyoualreadyhadsomemantra,somesimran,thatyoucanuseinournextexercise?Thankyou.Howmanyofyouhavenomantraornowordstorepeat?Thosewhohavenowordstorepeatwillnowcoinasimplephrase,asimplephrasethatdirectsthemtoabeloved,directsthemtosomebodyyoulove,directsthem…averyshortphraseexpressingyourloveforsomebody,andthatwillbetemporarymantraforyou.Howisaexpressionofloveatemporarymantra?Becauseyouwillfindthatthereasonspeech,allthesethingsendwiththemind,butlovetranscendsit.Andloveisaqualityofthesoulitself,andthereforebyusingthatmantrayouarereferringdirectlytoyourownself,tothesoul.Andthat’swhyit’sagoodphrasetostartwith,ifyoudon’thaveanyempoweredwords.Nowwegobackonceagaintothesamechairwhichisgoingtobeyourmeditationchambernow.Don’tthinkthatyoucanmakeanicebeautifulroomoutsideandsaythat’susedformeditation—youarethenmeditatingontheroom.Don’tthinkaspecialchairkeptinyourroomisgoingtobethebestformeditation,becausethenyourattentionisonthechair.Yourattentionshouldbeonthechairthatyoucreatedinsidethisroomwhichisyourhead.Andthat’swhereyourattentionshouldalwaysbe,andthenmeditationbecomessuccessful.Sonowimagineyou’rebackagaininthehead,thirdeye,thirdeyecenter,sixthfloor,onthecarpet,onyourchair.Nowgraduallyrepeatthosewords,putallyourattentiononthewords.Wordsshouldberepeatedslowly,deliberately.Itisnotthespeakingofthewordsthatwillwithdrawyourattention;it’slisteningtothewordsthatwillwithdrawyourattentioninside.Listeningcomesfromthesoul;speakingcomesfromthemind.Therefore,listentothewordsasyouspeak.Makethemindspeakandyoulisten,deliberately,everysyllable.Seeit’sveryclearlyyoucanhearit.Ifitisnotclearlyheard,makethemindspeakitloudertillyoucanhearitclearly—everysyllable—andgostep-by-steponthewords.Andrepeatthemsteadilyandignorewhatishappeningaround.Ignore

anyotherthoughts,ignoreanypicturethatcomesinfront,ignoreanyfacesthatcomeinfront.Stayinthecenter.Howmanyofyouwereabletosuccessfullydothis?Verygood.Thisishowsimranshouldbedone—withthemind,andyoulisten.Theconcentrationofattentiontakesplacebylisteningandnotbyspeaking.Wespeaksowehavesomethingtolistento,somethingthatisnotdistractingusoutside.Thepoweroflisteningrestsinconsciousnessitself,notinthemind.Themindspeaks,thesoullistens.Ifyouwanttoknowwhoyouare,youarethelistener.Youwill…asyoumakealittleprogress,you’lllistentoothersoundsinside.Youdon’thavetousewords.Youdon’tevenhavetousemantra;youdon’thavetousesimranwhentheinnersoundswillbeheard,soundsemanatingfromconsciousnessitself.Soundsemanatingfromthesoul,notsoundscreatedbyanybodyoutside.Thesoundoftheself.Whenthatcanbeheardyoucandropeverythingelseandlisten,anditwillbepullingyouup.Thesoundalonecantakeyouup.We’llcometothat.Thisisjustto…abasicwayhowtorepeatthewords.Andwe’llfollowupagaintomorrowinameditationsession.Andhowmanyofyouwouldliketofly?Notwiththisbody,theastralbody.We’lldothattoo.We’lldothatsothatyouhaveanexperiencethatyoucandoanythingwiththeinnerbodies.Okay,Ihavea…nowsetofinterviewssetup,butbeforedoingthatwe’llgothroughsomequestionsandanswers.Q.[Unrecordedquestion.]A.Theuniversethatweseearoundusismerelyaprojectionfromourownmind.It’slikeahologram.It’snotreal.Itlooksreal—wehavemadeitlookrealinordertoexperiencerealityoftheuniverse,butreallyit’sjustaprojectionfromthemind.Likeyougotoamovie,themovieisonthescreen,andweseeitonthescreen,butwethinkthatthemovieisreal.Wecry,welaugh,weenjoy,wewonder,we’reinsuspensewhat’sgoingtohappennext.Weareconstantlylookingatthescreen,notrealizingthescreendoesn’thavethepictures,thepicturesarebehindusintheprojector.Andunlessthelightfallsthroughtheprojector,whichhasapredetermined,pre-filmedmovieinit,wewon’tseeanythingonthescreen.Andyeteverytimewhenwelookatthemoviewethinkit’sreal.Andwegetlostintothemovie,intotherealityofthemoviewhichAristotlesaidweneeddrama,weneedmovie,becauseithelpsustoputouremotionsout.Ithelpsustorelieveouremotionalself.Andhecalledit“thecatharsisofemotions,”“purgation

ofemotions.”Andhesaysweknowthemovieisnotreal,yetwewanttobelieveit’sreal,sowedowhathecalls,translatedintoEnglishwouldbe,“awillingsuspensionofdisbelief.”Wewouldnormallynotbelieve,butwewillinglysuspenditjusttoenjoythemovieforwhichwehavepaidafee.Evenhorrormovieswe’rewillingtosee.Thisworld,thisuniverse,islikeamoviebeenprojected,andthelightofconsciousnessgoesthroughthefilmalreadypre-recordedonthemindwhichmakesthismoviecomeintobeing.That’sthetruenatureoftheuniverse.Q.[Unrecordedquestion.]A.[Laughs]Ihavetosee.Umm,God’sexitplan—thatmeansexitfromthisuniverse…Ifanybodyistiredofthisuniverseandwantstogetout,God’splanistoGodtomakeaPerfectLivingMasterandcometothatseeker.God’splanisverysimple:Apersonwhoseekswillfind—assimpleasthat.Ifyouseek,itdependswhatyouseek.Youseekworldlythingsyougetworldlythings;youseekworldlyfriendshipyougetworldlyfriendship;youseekinnerfriendshipyougetinnerfriendship;youwanttotalimmortalcompanionshipyougetimmortalcompanionship.Whateveryouseekyougetthat.Ifyougetpartofit,andyoustillseek,you’llgetmore.SupposingapersonisnotinitiatedbyaPerfectLivingMasterbuthasbeeninitiatedtosomeextentbyateacherwhosays,“youcangothisfar”andtakesyouonlypartofafewsteps.Nothingwrong:goafewsteps.Ifyourseekingstillgoeson,stillcontinues,you’llfindamasterwhogoesbeyond.It’snotthatthatthere’sanydisqualificationinnotbeinginitiated.Thequalificationistoseek.Ifyou’reaseekeryouwillfind,assimpleasthat.Whateveryouseekyouwillfindthat.Themoreyouseekthemoreyou’llget.So,Godsexitplanisverysimple.GodhimselfwillcometoyouinaformofahumanbeingwithGodconsciousness,withthesameconsciousnessthatweascribetoGod,andevenmorewhichwecan’tunderstand.Withthatconsciousness,ahumanbeingwillcomeandtakeyouback.Q.[Unrecordedquestion.]A.Thosewhodon’tknowwhatthecircle...whatisthis...theWheelof84is,theWheelof84meansthatthewheelofbeingbornandreincarnatedagainandagainin8.4millionspecies.Thisnumberhasbeendeterminedbysomeexpertswhowrotedownhowmanyspeciesexist.And56—5.6million,whichwecall56lakhsinIndia

—that5.6millionisinthevegetablekingdom—plantsandtreesandalgaeandallthatis5.6millionspecies.And,sothespeciesnumbercomesdown—humanbeinginhumanformisinthelastgroupof400,000species.So,youcanimagine,it’sonlyoneforminsomanyforms.TheWheelof84—thewheelofgoingthroughthesedifferentincarnationsgoesonforeveryone,becausethatistheverymethodbywhichyoucomeintothisform.Thisform,physicalform,resultsfromanotherlawcalled“thelawofkarma.”Thelawofkarmasaysthatyoucannothaveabody,youcannotbeborn,youcannothavethisunlessyouhavekarma.Becauseyouhavecometofulfillyourkarma,thatyouhavetopayforyouractions,getrewardsforyouractions—youdidsomethingbad,youhavetobepunished,youdidsomethinggood,youhavetoberewarded.Andthat’sthenatureofkarmawhichcreatesabody.Withoutkarmanobodycanbecreated.“Paralabhpahlebanipaacheybanasareer,”thedestinyismadefirst,thewholepackageofkarma,thenthebodyismade.Evenbeforeconceptioninthemother’swomb,thewholetotalkarmaforthewholelifeisalreadymade.Sotherefore,karmaistheverybasisofhavingalife.Nowkarmarequiresthatyoushouldhaveacauseforeveryeffect,whichmeansifIambornandhavetopaykarma,whendidIcreateit?IfIcameforthefirsttime,whendidIcreateakarma?HowcouldIhaveakarmawhenIwasnothereatall?So,thelawofkarmasaysthat“youmusthaveapastlifeinordertohavethislife.”And“youwillhaveafuturelifebecauseofthislife.”Thereisnopastlife,butamemoryofapastlifecanbeembeddedintoyourmind,creatingapastlife.So,whatwesayisourpastlivesareonlyembeddedmemories,butoncewecome,wecanconnectwiththepastlife.Thepastlifewouldnotexisttillit’shadanearlierpastlife,andsoonandsoon—infinitely.So,whenweareborntheveryfirsttimeinthisWheelof84,wecarrywithusnotionalorembeddedmemories,whichlooklikeourmemories,sotheybecomeourkarma.So,ourkarmabeginsfromthere,andsincewearenowhere,ifwedon’tgetoutafterthislife,thenwekeeponrepeating—thenitbecomesreal.Thatmeanswereallyhavethiskarmaandwehavethenextlife,thenextlife,andwecanbetieduphereforever.TheproblemwiththisWheelof84isthatonceyougettrappedintoit,there’snowaytogetout.Youcomeforadventure.Whydowecomeinthisworldinthefirstplace?Wecomeforadventure,toseeanewwayofexperiencing.Allformsthatwetake,nomatterwhetherit’saphysicalform,nomatterifit’s8.4species,nomatterifit’sanastralorcausalform,allformsaretakenforvaryingkindsofexperiences.Wecomeforanexperience,foradventure.Wewanttoseesomethingnewwhichconsciousnesscanexperience.

So,whenwecomeforthis,wesay,“It’saminortrip.We’lljustgoandcomeback.”Butthelawofkarmasays,“Ifyoudogoodthings,stayhere,we’llrewardyou;dobadthings,stayhere,youhavetobepunishedbeforeyoucango.”So,itbecomesanendlesscycleofbirthandrebirth.Andtherefore,theWheelof84istrappingusall,oneofthebigtraps.Andtogetoutofthis…nobodycangetoutunlesswehaveanadvantageofaPerfectLivingMaster.Wecangotohigherlevelsofconsciousness—theyalsohaveatime.Afterthatwecomeback.Interestingly,outof8.4millionspeciesinwhichasoulcanincarnateandbefound,there’sonlyoneoutofthis8.4wherekarmacanbecreated.That’shumanform.Noanimals,notrees,nobirds—theydon’tcreatekarma.Onlyhumanbeingscreatekarma.Butallofthempayoffkarma.Thetreesarepayingoffkarma—that’swhythey’restuck.Insects,birds,they’reallpayingoffkarma.Angels,astralbodiesarepayingoffkarma.Causalbodiesarepayingoffkarma.Everybodyispayingoffkarma,andthereisonesolitaryhumanbeingcreatingkarma?Howcanonesolitaryhumanbeingcreatesomuchkarmathatallthe8.4species,8.4millionspecies,shouldbejustpayingoffthatkarma?Thereasoniskarmaiscreatedbythemind.Karmaiscreatedwiththeintention,andthemomentyouuseyourintention,goodorbad,youcreatekarma.Karmaisnotaction.Karmaistheintentionthatleadstoaction,andevenifitdoesnotleadtoaction,it’sstillkarma.So,wearecreatingkarmaatatremendousrateallthetime.Wehavealreadyaccumulatedsomuchkarmathatwedon’tknowwhattodowithit.Tocreatealife,weneedacertainamountofkarma.Thatmeansdestiny.Wewanttomakeadestiny.Destinyconsistsofbirthinaform—thatmeanshumanform—anddeath.Andanythinginbetweenwefixsomeepisodes,wefixsomeevents.Wefixmeetingpeople,wefixjobs,wefixmarriages,wefixloveaffairs,wefixhatredaffairs,whateveritis.Wefixallthesethings,andthat’sapatternofkarma.Wecallitdestinyorpralabdh.Pralabdhmeans“alreadyfixedkarmaforwhichwecame.”Thenthereissomegapsleftoverinthemiddlewhereweuseourmindtoexpressourintention.Wehavenointentionwheretobeborn;it’sautomatic.Wehavenodecisionwheretodie;it’sautomatic.Andinbetween—whowemeet,whatjobswedo,whoweencounter,wehavenochoice.About70percentofthetimeinapralabdhispredetermined,andwehavenothingtodowithit.Thencomethosegapswhereweuseaspecialpoweronlygiventohumanbeingscalledfreewill:thefeelingyoumakeyourowndecisionsnow;thefeelingyoucandecidewheretogo,rightorleft(whocanstopyou?);thefeelingyoubelieveordon’tbelieve(whocanstopyoufromthat?).Thatfeelingthatyouhavefreewillisthebasisforcreatingkarma.Whateveryoudodeliberately,thinking,“Iwanttodothis

orthat,”that’sfreewill.Everyactoffreewillcreateskarmabecauseyou’remakingadecision.Everydecisionyoumakeleadstoitsowneffect;it’sacauseforaneffect.Sothatiswhyhumanbeings,bythecontinuousfunctioningofthemindandpouringintentionafterintentioninit—wecreatesomuchkarmathatitcan’tbeheldeveninonelife.So,whathappenswhenwedie?Welookatthekarmawecreated.It’ssomuchitcan’tfitintoanotherlife,sothepralabdhfromthisiscreated,thedestinyiscreatedforthenextlife.Therunover,theexcessofit,goesintoastorage,astoragecalled“Sinchit,”reservekarma.So,weaccumulatereservekarmafromwhichwecanpickup.Supposingweliveaverykarma-lesslife.Karma-lesslifecanbeledifwesay,“Let’sgowiththeflow.”People…whenIcametothiscountrythey’realltalkingabout“let’sgowiththeflow,”butnobodywasgoingwiththeflow.Theyalltriedtofighttheflow,buttheyallsaid,“let’sgowiththeflow.”Ifyougowiththeflowthatmeansyougowithwhateverintuitiontellsyou,whatevercircumstancestellyou—keepongoing,youdon’tcreatekarma.You’renotusingyourintentiontoalteranything.Supposingyouhaveaveryholy,karma-lesslifelikethat—youhaveplentyinthereservetomakeanotherdestinyforyou.So,thedestinyisthesinchitkarma,thereserveissobig.We’veaccumulatedsomuch;it’sgoodforamillionmorelives.So,wehaveallaccumulatedsomuchthatwecan’tnowsay,“letmegowiththeflowandI’llgetout,”becausewe’vegotsomuchreservekarma.Whatwecomewithwecall“Pralabdh”ordestiny;whatwe’redoingherewecall“Kriyaman,”thatmeansthenewkarmabeingcreated,andwhatisreservedwecall“Sinchit”inIndianlanguage.Thesethree,Pralabdh,Kriyaman,andSinchit,arethethreeformsofkarma,andtheybindusdowntothislifeoftimeandspaceoverhere.Sothatiswhythereisnoescapeoncewe’vecomehere,unlesstheescapeisthroughsomebodywhocantakeusbeyondthemind,whichisaPerfectlyLivingMaster.Allotherscantakeyoutwodifferentstages,andafterenjoyingorsufferingthoseyoucomeback.Youcangotoheavenforafixedtime,comeback,andgotohellforafixedtime,comeback.Itgoesonrotatinglikethat.Andthereisnobodywhohascomedowntoearthashumansanddoesnothavetogothroughwithoutthekarma.Karmaisnecessaryforthis.WhenoneisinitiatedbyPerfectlyLivingMaster,theSinchitkarmaisdestroyedintotal.There’snoreservekarmaleftafterthat.Therefore,initiationbyaPerfectLivingMasteristhegreatesteventthatcanhappeninourcontinuityoflife.Wehavelivedsolongandcomesomanytimes.There’snopointinthisprocesswhichismoreimportantthaninitiationbyaPerfectLivingMasterbecauseitdestroysthesinchit,theentirereserve,whichmeansifyouhavetohaveanotherlifeitcanonlybeformedfromthekarmaofthis

life.There’sabigadvantage.Andthenyoucanalterthislifealsoandmakeitsoeasythatthenextlifeismuchbetterifyouhavetocomeback.Youneednotcomebackifthekarmadoesn’tjustifyit.That’sabig...oneofthebiggestadvantagesofinitiationbyaPerfectLivingMaster—allreservekarma(sinchit)isdestroyed.Sothecomingback,ifnecessary,isonlybasedonkarmaofthislife.Q.[Unrecordedquestion.]PerfectLivingMasterscandoanything.I’veseentheyhavetotalfreedom,andtheycandoanything.Theycansometimesdothingswhichwewant,andsometimestheydothingswhichwedon’twant.Sometimestheydothingswhichoursoulwants,andsometimestheydon’tdothingswhichourmindwants.Sometimesitbecomesdifficultforus:Aretheyhelpingusornot?Buttheyaretrulyhelpingusonourspiritualjourney.Wesometimeswantphysicaljourneylikethem:“Master,helpmewithmyhealth.Helpmewithmoney,I’mhavingshort.”Theydohelpsometimes.Theyhelpintheseareasprovideditdoesnotdistractyoucompletelyfromthespiritualjourney.So,theirmainpurposeisthatthey’vetakenresponsibilityfortakingyoubackhomebeyondthemind,andtheywillfulfillthatobligationunderallcircumstances.So,theseare...theythinkit’satemporaryshowhere,sotemporarilytheycangiveyousomethings,andthenultimatelyyouwon’twantthosethingsyourself.Alittlestoryofagardener—gardener,youknow,whoplantsflowersandplants.Agardenerwasplantingalittlesaplinginthesoil,andayoungmanpassingbysaid,“Oh,foolishman,whatareyoudoing?You’replantingthislittlesaplinginthemidstofalltheweeds,andthenyou’rewateringitandgivingfertilizer?Theweedsaregoingtoeatupallthis.Don’tyouthinkthattheplanthasnochancewithalltheweedsaroundit?”Andthegardenerlooksupandsays,“Haveyoueverplantedthisplantbefore?”Andhesaid,“NoIhaven’tdoneit.I’monlylookingatwhatisobvious.”Hesaid,“Ihaveplantedthisbefore.WhenIplantthis,theweedsareeatingupsomeofthefoodIgive,andIfeedtheweeds.Ideliberatelyfeedtheweeds,becausetheplantwillgrowinspiteoftheweeds.Whentheplantwillgrowandbecomeabushlikethis,theweedsdieunderitsshade.I’veseenthathappen.”Theexampleisgiven...whenaMasterinitiatesus,heplantsloveintoourhearts.Andwiththatlovewewantthingsofthisworld.“Master,Ineedsomemoremoneynow.”“Master,I’mverysick,Ineed…problems.”“Mastercanyouhelpme[with]

this?”Andhefeedstheweeds:“Okay,you’llhavethis,you’llhavethis.”Eventuallyyou’llsay,“Idon’tneedanythingexceptyouMaster.”So,theloveultimatelyovercomesallthesedesiresthattheMasterdeliberatelyfulfillstobuildupourfaithasasteppingstoneforhigherstepsinthejourney.So,it’snotthattheMastercannotdoit.Hecandoanything,buthekeepsinmindthathehastakenresponsibilitytotakeusbackhome.TheresponsibilityaMaster,PerfectLivingMaster,andIkeeponrepeatingPerfectLivingMaster—there’sabigdistinction.Idon’tknowotherMastersdoit.PerfectLivingMasterstakefullresponsibilitytotakeyoubackhome,nomatterwhat.Butwhiletheshowgoesonhereheplayswithyou.Heplayswithyou,hepretendshe’slikeyou,andheworkswithyou,andherunswithyou.Hedoeseverythingasifitisrealbecausewe’retakingthisreality.Andwhydoeshedothat?Whyisheplayful?HeshouldbeveryserioustellingusonlytogotoSachKhandandnotwasteourtimehere,butheplayshere,he’splayfulhere.Thereasonissimple.Becausethebasisforgoingbeyondthemindisloveanddevotion.Andloveanddevotioncreatesfriendshiplikenootherfriendship.Therefore,aPerfectLivingMasteristhebestfriendyoucanhave;there’snofriendlikethat.Hisfriendshipandhisloveisunconditional.Hewillneverplaceaconditiononhislove.Evenifwehaveconditions,he’llignorethemandhislovewillbeunconditional.Bigsignifyouwanttoknowaparticularpersonwhoyouthinkmightbeamasterornot:Lookatthewayhislovecomesunconditionally.Ifthere’saconditionattached:“Ifyoubegood,I’llhelpyou.”“Ifyou’renotdoingyourmeditation,sorry,youcan’tgotoSachKhand”—notaPerfectLivingMaster.APerfectLivingMaster’sloveisunconditional.Ourmindimposesconditionsonourselves;hedoesn’t.Sothen,becausefriendshipandloveissoimportant,thereforehe’splayfulwithushere,he’splayfulwithusintheastralstage,he’splayfulthere,andhe’splayfulinourtruehomealso,wherewefindheandweareone.It’sabeautifulgame,thewholegameisbeautiful.Sotherefore,themasterscandoanything,buttheywilldothingswhicharetoourbenefit.Andwemaynotfullyunderstandatthattime,butlateronwedounderstandeverything.Whenwelookbackwerealizeeverystepthathappenedwasforourowngood.Yes?Also,there’sanothersecondpartofthequestionaboutmeditation:Yes,meditationdoesnotburnsinchitkarma.It’salreadygone,butmeditationcanburncurrentkarmaandlowerit.Meditationcanconvertakarmicepisode,especiallybadones.Peopledon’twanttoburngoodkarma.[Laughter.]Theyallexpectrewards.Theyjustwanttoavoidthepunishment.

Andif[they]meditateandthegoodones—goodandthebad—botharegoingawaytheysay,“That’snotagooddeal.”So,inmeditation,whenyouburnit’snotburning,itisakarmawhichphysicallylookslikeit’stakingplacebutinternallyyoudon’tfeelit,andthat’showitbecomeseasytogothroughit.Sometimesthere’ssomekarmathatwehavetogothrough,andtheMasterhidesbehindawall.“Master,whereareyou?Ineedyounow.”[Laughter.]Andthenheappears,“Oh,whathappened?”“Ineededyouthen—nowyou’vecome,andthewholethingisover.”“Oh,I’mgladit’sover.”[Laughter.]Gameslikethat.So,youmustremembertheysaythat“theworldhasbeencreatedbyGod’sMauj.”InIndiaweunderstandthewordMauj.HisMaujcanbeplayful.TheysayhavingMaujisgood.Thatmeansyou’rehavingagame,playful.So…butyetwewanttouseMaujas“will,”thatHisWillisprevailing.So,thecorrecttranslationofthewordwillbe“aplayfulwill,anarbitraryplayfulwill.”That’swhat’screatingthiswholeuniverse,anarbitraryplayfulwilloftotalityofconsciousnesswhichwecallGod.So,thisisagameinwhichmeditationisoneofthefactorsthathelps,butitisalsonottheonlyfactor.Thatloveanddevotionalsowipesoutkarma,whichlifechanges.Lifebeginstochangeatinitiation,andaswekeeponwatchingandspendingmoretimewithanordinarypersonwhohappenstobePerfectLivingMaster.Don’tforget,aPerfectLivingMasterisanordinaryperson;he’snotanunusualperson.Ordinaryperson.He’sbornlikeus,dieslikeus,fallssicklikeus,eatslikeus.And,forthosewhoremember,does“shuh,shuh,shuh”likeus.I’mconsideringaman:“shit,”shaveandshower.[Laughter.]Imean,there’snodifferencethatway,ofthelifeofapersonwhowecallaPerfectLivingMaster.What’sthedifference?Thedifferenceisinconsciousness.Thedifferenceishowmuchawarenessthatordinaryhumanbeinghas.Isheawareatalltimesofalllevelsofcreationandthetotalityfromwherecreationiscoming?Ifheis,he’saPerfectLivingMaster.Thedefinitionisnotbaseduponhowhelooks,howhedresses,whatuniformhewears.It’snotbasedonthat;it’sbasedonthelevelofawareness.We,whenweareseekersandaremeditators,weareproceedingonthispath,wegostagebystage,stepbystep.Onlyonelevellooksrealtousatalltimes.Rightnow,thephysicalworldisreal.Wegotothedreamworld,dreamworldisreal,physicalworlddisappears.Wewakeup,thisworldagainbecomesreal.Itdoesn’tgoaway;itbecomesreal,andwesaywedreamtwithinthisworld.Thisworldwasthere,andwedreamtwithinthisworldandlostawarenessofthisworld.Wegototheastralplane,thatbecomesreal.Wewerealwaysthere,andwefindthatwejustlosttheawarenessoftheastralplaneandwe’reinaphysicallife.Andwhenyougotocausal

plane,causalplanealoneisreal,astralplanedisappears—thatwasjustalittledream.Andthephysicalworldisadream.Theyaredreamwithindreamandonlyoneisreal.Eventuallyyoufindeverythingisaprojection,everythingisbeingcreatedbyconsciousnesstoexperienceit.Thenwhatisreal?Nostageisreal,notevenSachKhand,truehome,notevenapermanenthome,notevenpermanence,noteventheconceptofpermanenceisreal.Thenwhatisreal?Theonlyrealityistheonewhoisexperiencingallthis,theself.Theselfistheonlyreality.Theexperienceristheonlyreality,andnoexperienceofanykindisrealbutlooksreal,stagebystage.APerfectLivingMasterisonewhoknowsthatallthesearerealandunrealatthesametime,whoisabletoholdthememory,holdwithinconsciousnesswhilehe’shereinaphysicalform,orastralform,oranyform.He’sconstantlyaware.Hedoesn’thavetogosomewheretofindoutsomething.WhenaPerfectLivingMastertalkstousaboutsomeotherregion,he’snotgoingtocheckoutwhat’shappeningthere—he’sthere.He’sthereeverywhere.So,thisdirectawarenessofalllevels—knowinghowthey’recreatedandhowthey’rebecomereal,andhowthey’rereallynotreal—thisconstantawarenessdifferentiatesthathumanbeingfromallotherhumanbeings.Andapersonwhoisamaster,hasgoneuptothecausalstage—andtherearemanyMasterslikethat—they’reonlyawareofthephysicalstagewhentheycomeback,andtheyknowthereissomethinghigher—theyteachus.Iftheywanttotellusmore,theycanwithdrawtheirattentionbackagainthroughthepracticeofmediationandcomebackandteachusagain.ButaPerfectLivingMasterdoesnotdothat.He’satallstagesatonce.Thatiswhyhisspeechisnotmadeupofbooks.Hisspeechisnotmadeupofsaying,“Iremembersomething.”Hisspeechismadeupofwhathe’sdirectlyawareofatthattime.Sothat’swhy:ordinaryhumanbeingjustlikeus,justdifferentawareness,wecallaPerfectLivingMaster.Q.[Unrecordedquestionaboutthenatureofthemind.]A.Goodquestion.Onemindtakingthreeforms.WecallitaPindimind,whichisphysicalmind.It’sthesamemind,functionsdifferentlywhenwe’reinthephysicalbody.Mindisthesame;itfunctionslikeaphysicalmind.It’saphysicalmind,becauseitbelievesinphysicalreality,dealswithphysicalreality,analyzesphysicalrealityandworksoutphysicalreality.It’sthesamemind;theprocessofthemindisstillthesame.It’sthinkingprocessisthesame.Itdoesn’tthinkofastralplane,itthinksofphysicalthings.So,physicalityisintroducedtothesamemind,andwecallitphysicalmind,describedasthe“PindiMan”orphysicalmind.So,thephysicalmindisinvolvedinthis.Whenwegotothe

astralplaneit’sthesamemindwakinguptoanastralexperience,[and]thenitassociateswithastralthings.Likewewakeup,themindwakesuptoo.Themindwakesuptoitsownreality.Gotothecausalplane,that’swherethemindsays,“Iamtheself.”Sothatistheself,thecausalselfisthemind!Andthemindsays,“Iamthereality,Iamtheself.”AndtherearehundredsofteachersaroundtheworldwhohavestoppedthereandcalleditSachKhand,becausetherethemindisuniversal,there’sonlyonemind.Thatonemindispervadingallmindsinthisuniverse,andthereforewecansaywe’vecometotheendofourdiscovery.It’sauniversalmind,justonemindcreatingeverything.Thatmindiscreatingtheuniverse;themindiscreatingallotherminds.Therefore,theuniversalmind,whichisthecausalmind,risestothatoccasion,andwecallitthe“BrahmandiMan”orthecausalmind.So,there’saPindiMan,AndiManandBrahmandiMan,butthey’re[the]samemindexperiencingdifferently,justlikethesoulisexperiencingdifferently.Thesoulinthephysicalbodyisexperiencingphysicalreality.Astralbody,thesamesoul,isexperiencingastralreality,incausalrealm,experiencingcausalreality.Nowtheserealitiesareverydifferent.Here,wehavetohaveabodytosay,“I’mtalkingtosoandso.”IfJonathanhadadifferentbodyIwon’ttalktohim.Supposinghewasabirdflyingaround,I’llsay,“that’sabird,that’snothim.”Weareusedtoconsideringbodiesthatarelikeus.Theyshouldbesimilar—thenwecancommunicate.Wedon’tcommunicatewithbodiesthatarenotsimilar.Weeitherputthemhighorlow.Someangelswecan’tcommunicate(wetryto)andsomebirdswedon’ttalktobecausethey’renotlikeus.Wetalktolike-mindedthings.So,whenwegotootherlevelsofconsciousness,it’sthesamesituationthere.Wecommunicateatthatlevel,andthereforetheminditselfbecomesdifferentandfunctionsdifferently,creatingitsownrealityatdifferentlevels.Andownrealitycreatesbeingsatthesamelevel.Supposingwedie,andwhowillbeourcompanionswithwhomwecanspendtimeandtheyunderstandusandweunderstandthem?Astralbeings,eventhoughthereisanareabetweentheastralandthephysicalwhichwecalltheastro-physicaloverlap.Thisoverlapisveryinterestingbecause,ifyoulookatthisworld,thisuniverseasawhole,thespaceextendstoinfinityineverydirection.Whensomethingextendstoeverysideinthesameway,whatshapedoesittake?Ittakestheshapeofaglobe.Theoretically,theoreticallyifsomethingwashundredmilesawayfromeverypointitwillbehundredmilesdiameterglobe.

Ifit’sinfinite,itwillbeaninfiniteglobe.Thisphysicaluniverseislikeaglobe,andthere’sanotheruniversecalledtheastraluniverse,whichisalsobiggerglobe.Becausetherealsoinfinitymeansmoreinfinitethanthisinfinity,whichIdon’tifitcanbeunderstoodthattherecanbemoreinfinity,butit’slarger,vasterthanthis.Partofthatoverlapsthis.Nowthereisonlyspace—thereisnothingelseinit.Wherethespaceoverlaps,itbecomeslikeasortofafishshapething.Thefinsgointothetwosides,andthefishcomesuplikethis.Thisoverlapisveryinteresting,becauseonecanexperiencebothsideswhileintheoverlap.Apersondies,andhisastralbodyisstillthere,hecanseeus,bearoundus,becauseit’sintheoverlap.Buthecan’t—wecan’tcommunicatewithhim—hecan’tcommunicatewithus.Exceptthroughhintsandfeelingsandsoon,thepresencecanbefelt.Andthere’sadifferentstyleofmakingone’spresencefeltintheoverlap.Theoverlapislikeafish.Theastralplaneisnowgoingtomeetahigherplane,thecausalplane,whichisalsoaglobe.Allthreeoftheseplanesareintimeandspace.Nowthebiggestglobenowcomesup,havingaveryindirectkindofspace,whichisverydifficulttodescribe.I’lltriedonedaytodescribethisspaceintheoverlapoftheastralandcausal—makesanotherfish.Aknowledgegiventosomebodyoftwofish,togive50,000peopletheknowledgeoftwofish,willbeservingtwofishto50,000people.IreadintheBible,“JesusChristservedtwofish,”andpeoplearethinkinghemusthavecutthemintosmallpiecesandcaughtthemfromthepond.Wetalkingofhigherknowledge;wearetalkingofinsideknowledge.Theoverlapscreatetheshapeofthefishes,andtheoverlapgivesustheexperienceofbothsides.Thesecondoverlaphasawonderfulexperiencewhereyoucanatonepointintheoverlap,inthemiddleoftheoverlap,seebothsidescompletely!That’sbeentermedinourliteratureastheBunkanalorBunkNal,whichmeans“thecrookedtunnel.”It’scalledcrookedtunnelbecauseonlyfromthecenterofthetunnelwecanseebothsides—it’scrookedatthatpoint.Andotherwise,whenwe’reapproachingthecrookedpoint,thetunnel,weonlyseethelowerpart;goabovethatyouseetheupperpart,butthatpointwecansee,andthat’sinthesecondoverlap.Theseamazingexperiences,whichareallhiddeninside,andwegothroughthem,theseexperiencesaretheoneswhichmakeusfeelthatthemindisawakenedtotheseexperiencesinthesamewaylikeweawake.Andtheoverlapexperiencecanmakeushaveacontactwithbothsides.Rightherethefirstoverlapistheentirecopyofthisuniverseandtheupperuniverse,andpeoplespendlotoftimeintheoverlap,sometimestheycanspendyears.

Whenapersoncommitssuicide…forexample,apersoncommitssuicide.Whatissuicide?It’skillingyourselfinaphysicalbodybeforewhatappearstobeyournormaltime.So,thenormaltimeisrecordedinthePralabdhasnotionaltime.InPralabdhthedestinysays,“Youwilllivesolong.”Theastrologicalchartsays,“Youwilllivesolong.Thepalmreadersaysfromthelines,“Youwilllivesolong.”Andthensuddenlyyoucommitsuicideanddefyallofthem,say,“you’reallwrong,I’mdyingnow.”Youthinkyou’vedied;youjustleftthebodyearly.Thenwhathappenstoyou?Thenyoustillstayhere;you’restillhereintheoverlap.Fortheremainingperiodyouwillnotgoanywheretillthatperiodisover.So,theoverlapisaveryinterestingplacewherelotofpeoplemurdered,suicide,un-naturaldeath—arefloatingaround.Then,notallarefloating.Therearetwotypesofdisembodiedspirits,disembodiedastralforms.Oneiswhicharefixedtoaplace.Ifamurderhasbeencommittedinacertainhouse,onecangethauntedintothathouseandcanspendtheentirenotionaltimethere.Oryou’researchingsomethingandthenthereisunnaturaldeathbyanaccident.You’retravelingbyplane,you’retravelingbycar—anaccidentkillsyou(physicalbody),unnaturaldeath,yournotionaldeathwouldbelater.Thenyou’retravelingallthetime.InIndiawedistinguishbetweenthesetwospirits.Wecallthosethatarefixedas“Pret”andthosethatroamaroundas“Bhoot.”Bhoot,Pret,thedistinctionbetweenthese:thedisembodiedspirits,theghosts,youmightcallthemghosts,ghoststhatrunaroundarebecausetheywereontheprocessofseeking,traveling;andtheghoststhatwerestuckatoneplacebecauseofthenatureofthecauseofdeath,theystaystickthere.Whenwesay,“thathouseishaunted,”spiritsarestillthere.Youcanseeifyouhaveexperiencewiththem,theycantrytocommunicatealsowithyou.Andifyouhavesomemeditationexperience,youcanevenseethem.So,thisisaveryhighlypopulatedarea.Theoverlapisaveryhighlypopulatedarea.Andismorepopulatedthanthephysicalworld.Soyouwillnoticelotofpeoplearetrappedupintherefortheirnotionaltime,thentheygoup.Q.[UnrecordedquestionaboutmarriageintheAstralPlane]A.Answerisyes.Everythinghappenstherewhathappenshere.Andsomebodyhadaskedme,“Dotheyhavesexthere?”Yes,theydo.“Dotheyproducechildren?”Yes,theydo.“Anydifference?”Well,saythatit’sabetterexperiencethere.[Laughter]Maybetheysaythatit’sabetterexperiencetoinduceyoutogothere.[Laughter.]Buttheysaythattheexperiencesintheastralplanearebetter,butyouhavealltheexperiences.You’reastudent,yougotouniversitythere,youwanttostudyabook,gotoalibrarythere,butthey’relittledifferenceintheastrallibraryandourlibrary.

Wegotoourlibrary,firstofallwehavetosearchforabook.There,searchiseasy:youjustsay,andthebookcomesinfront.Secondly,thebiggestdifferenceisherewehavetoreadabookpagebypage;therewegetalltheknowledgejustbyopeningabook.So,nowinterestingthingistherearescientists,inventors,inspiredpeoplewhohavedied,they’realltherebutstillworkingonthesameprojects,onsimilarinstitutions.Thereareroads,butnobodywantstodriveonthemorwalkonthembecausetheycanfly.Thosebodiescanfly.Theyhaveallthereplicasofwhatweseehereandmore,butthey’renotusedthesameway,becausewedon’tneedthem.It’slikewe’vegotairplanesnowtofly,andwelookbackuponpeoplewhoaretrudgingonthegroundandneverabletofly,andwecanthinkof,thattheymissedsomething.Whenwe’reintheastralplanewesay,“They’remissingsomuch,”“they’remissingtoomuch.”Incidentally,allthehellsandheavensarealsothere.They’resomeintheoverlapandsomeaboveit.So,there’salwaysatimefixedforajourneyintothat.Whenwedie,physicaldeathtakesplace,whatactuallyhappenstous?Whathappenstoourconsciousness?Weseeaflashbackofourlifeautomatically.Thewholelifegoesbackwards...we’redying…somebody’sthere...weseethatface...weseetheprevious...wegobackrighttoourbirth.Wholelifeflashes,andwesay,Oh,shouldn’thavedonethis,”“Oh,thatwasgood,”“Oh...”AllthatisimmediatelycreatingPralabdhforthenextform,aswe’removingthroughthat.ThencomesapointwhereIdidsomethingreallybad,andtheadministratorwho’swatchingthis—ifyou’renotperfectly,aPerfectLivingMasternotinitiatedus—theadministrator,angelofdeathistherewatchingus.Hesays,“Thatrequiresonemonthinhell.Sorry.”“ButwhataboutthegoodIdid?”“Oh,yes,thatqualifiesonemonthinheaven.”“Can’tIcanceleachother?”“No,thelawofkarmadoesnotallowcancellations.Itdoesnotallowatonements.”Wetryatonementsherebutitdoesnothappeninlife.So,thenhesays,“Lastfreewillbeforeyougointoyournextform,theformmaynotbehuman.Lastfreewill.Doyouwanttogotoheavenfirstorhellfirst?”Onlychoiceleftatthattimebydeath,ifitisinourdestiny.Somechooseone,somechoosetheother,noteverybodychoosesthesamething.NowI’maskingthisquestion,theoreticalquestion:Ifyouhadtogoonemonthtoheavenandonemonthtohellafterdeath,whichonewillyouchoose?Thosewhowillchooseheavenfirst,raiseyourhands.Thosewhowanttochoosehellfirst,raiseyourhands.Thehellshaveit,thehellshaveit.[Laughter.]It’samazinghowmanypeoplechoosehell.Whywouldtheygotohell?Isn’titamazing?Answerisofcourseverysimple.Answeristheyfeelthatiftheywenttoheaven,thethought,“We’regoingtohell”willmakeheavenalsohell,butlet’sgetthisoutoftheway,thenwecanenjoyheaven.So,theanswerissimple,butsome

otherpeoplewhosay,“We’llgotoheavenfirst,whoknows,withsomedivineinterventionmayallbeavoidedaltogether.So,therearebothsidesofthepicture.Q.[Unrecordedquestionabouttheastralplane.]A.Thephysicalplaneisthedreamoftheastralplane.Wearedreamingrightnowintheastralplane.So,there’snootherseparatedream.Whenwedreamintheastralplane,aphysicalexperienceoccurs.Thisisadreamoftheastralplane.Sixchakras,sixchakrasthatprovidealltheenergy,andtheyworkinsuchgreatharmonywitheachother.They’reinterconnectedwith,likecircuitry,thecircuitrythatinterconnectsthem,thesixchakras,andallareworkingtogether.Bytheway,alltheselevelsI’mtellingyouabout,they’reallworkingtogether.It’snotthatwegoandfindanastralplane.It’sworkingnow.Otherwisewewouldn’tbehere.Iftheultimatetotalityofconsciousnesswasnottherewewouldn’tbehere.Iftheotherplaneswerenottherewewouldn’tbehere.We’redreaminginthemiddleoftherealityofallthoseandwakingupstagebystage.So,whenwegototheseenergycentersbelowoureyecenter,thenthey’reworkingtocreateenergies,buttheyhaveatendencytodevelopattachments.Weseewiththeeyesatthetwo-petallotus.Whenwelikesomething,wewanttoseemore,wegetattached.Wehaveotherdesiresarisingfromalltheseemotionaldesires.Wehavedesiresinourdreams.Wehavedesiresforfood,goodfood;wedesiregoodcompany,wedesiresexualcompany,wedesireallkindsofthingsbaseduponthesecenters.So,they’rerivetsnotbecauseofthemselves—they’reenergycenters;they’rerivetsbecauseofhowwe’veusedthem.We’veusedthemtoattachourselvestooutsidethings,andthat’swhythey’vebecomerivetsandwecan’tgetridofthem.Theprocessofwithdrawingattentionfromthebodyincludestheprocessofwithdrawingyourselfandun...pullingtherivetsoutfromtheverydesireswhicharearisingfromtheseenergycenters.Alltheseenergycentersarecreatingdifferentkindofdesires,andthosedesiresthencreateattachments.Adesireforsomethingattachesustothatthing,andattachmentthenholdsusback.So,therivetisreallytheattachment.Butsincetheyarisefromthechakras,youmightaswellsaythechakrasareaninstrumentforcreatingthoserivets.Q.WhywasIborn?WhyamIhere?A.That’sagoodquestion.Wecanallaskthisquestion,“WhywasIborn?”“WhyamIhere?”Wecameheretohaveadifferentexperience.Wecameherethinkingit’sagreatcarnival;we’llhaveagreatrideandgoback.Wecamehereforadventure.

Somehowattachmenttrappedushere,wegottrappedandwedon’tknowhowtogoback.Weshutoffourownawarenessofwakefulness,ofhigherlevelofconsciousness,inordertomakethisreal.Wewantedtohavearealexperience,notadream-likeexperience;wewantedtohavearealexperience,sowemadeitreal.Weusedmanyartifactstomakeitreal.Forexample,shuttingoffhigherawarenesswasagoodone.Andthenusinglawsofnatureandconsistencyofexperience—anotherone,verygood.Makingthecoveringsolidwhilescientistssittingaroundusaretelling,“You’reallhollow,thewholeuniverseishollow,Ifspaceistakenoutfromthisplanetitwillbecomelikealittlepin.Ifthespaceistakenout,outofthewholeuniverse,allthebillionsofgalaxies,itwillbecomelikeamarble.”Thatenergyisbeingspreadout—electrons,protons—they’recreatingmatterandthematterisnothingbutspace.Ifspaceistakenout,thiswholeuniversecrumblesrightnow,whichmeanswe’reallhollow—theuniverseishollow—we’rehollow.Weknowit.Peoplearetellingusnowwhilewe’reinthisplane,notwhenwewakeup.We’rebeingtoldwhilewe’resleeping.Andstillwesay,“It’sreal.Icantouchmyhands.It’sreal.Icantouchmytable,Itastethis,veryreal.”Allexperiencesarereal;thethingswhichwethinkarerealarenot.ThereisawordintheIndianscripturecalledMaya,thatthisworldisMaya.Wetrytotranslateit—delusion,illusion.That’snotagoodtranslationatall,becauseifit’sillusionitwon’tbereal.ThecorrecttranslationofthewordMayaisthatarealexperiencecreatesthefeelingthatthingscreatingtheexperiencearealsoreal.WhenIhaveasipofwater—oranydrink—Ijusthadanexperience.Thatwasreal.Howcananybodydenyit—Ijusthadit?ButIbegantothinkthatthecuphastobereal,thewaterhastobereal,andthenonlyIgotthatexperience.ThetruthisIgottheexperienceandcreatedthecupandthewater—that’sMaya.Mayaisarealexperiencegeneratingthefeelingthatthethingswhichwe’reseeingarecreatingthatexperience.Togiveanexample,justlikewedidanexercise:Inadreamyoudrinkwater.Whenyouwakeupyoustillrememberyoudrankwater—therewasnoglass.Wateryoudrank—thedrinkingofwaterwasthere,butthecupandthewaterwerenotthere—youwokeupfromthat.Whenyouwokeup,thedrinking,theexperienceoftastingthewater,didnotgoaway.Itwasamemoryofyours.Youdidit.So,theworldisconstructedlikethis.Ithasnothingsolidinit,bothphysicallyandspiritually—nothingsolid,butourexperienceissolid.Therefore,wethinktheworldissolid.So,thisisMaya,andthatishowthenatureoftheuniverseis.Wecametoexperiencethis;we’vedoneagreatjob.Ifthewholeintentionwasto

havethisexperience—outofnothingwecreateexperience,outofemptyspacewe’recreatinganexperienceofuniverses—whatbetterjobcouldwedo?Havingdonethat,nowwe’retrapped.Sowhyarewebornashumanbeings?Togetoutofthismess.Thereisnootherwaywecangetoutofthemess.Humanbeingsalonehavetheexperienceoffreewill.Withoutfreewillyoucannotseek,withoutseekingyoucannotfind—it’sassimpleasthat.Wecouldbeinstinctivebeingslivingonourinstincts,preprogrammedinstinctslikealltheanimals,likeallthebirds,likealltheplants—theyliveoninstincts,built-ininstincts,theyreactinstinctively.Theyneverhavetodetermine“shouldIdoitorshouldInotdoit?”Theyneverhavetodothat.Absenceoffreewilltiesthemdownforever.Wehavethefreewill—experienceoffreewill.Maynotbereal,butexperienceisthere.Thatwaynothingisreal—freewillisalsonotreal,buttheexperienceisreal.Theexperienceoffreewillmakesusaseeker,andtheseekingthentakesusout.Werewesostupidtocomeintothisworldwithoutmakingarrangementtogetout?Ifwehadsomeintelligence—weclaimintelligenceinthisworld—wemustbesuper-intelligentbeforewecame.Whatarrangementdidwemake?Thatifwegettrapped,whatdowedo?IsawamoviecalledInception;somebodyrecommendedittome.InInceptionyoucangotodreamstateanddreamwithindreamandsoon.Ilikedit,becauseinInceptiontwothingsappealedtome.One,thetimeframeinadreaminthatmovieisverydifferentfromthetimeframeinwakefulstate,whichisalsotruehere.Ourdreamshavedifferent—astraltimeandphysicaltimeareverydifferent,sotimeisverydifferentinthedream.So,tenminutesofdreamcouldcreatetwohoursinthatdream,andtwohoursofdreamis—dreamwithindreamcancreateawholelifetime—50years,accordingtothatmovie,whichisalsotruehere.Themovietakesusonlyintothreestagesofdreaming;herewe’reinthesixthdream.Imaginewe’vecreatedapermanentworldhereinpermanenttimeandlivingpermanently.It’sverysimplecomparison.SecondthingIlikedtherewasthatwhentheydream,theytakeatotemintheirhandtobeabletowakeup.Theydon’twanttotakearisktobecaughtforeverinadream,andthathasalittlepointandithurts—sosharpedge.So,whentheywanttowakeuptheytakeasharpedge—pain—andpainwakesthemup,samethingashere.Wehavesimilararrangementmadehere,thatifwearefedupofthisandwewanttowakeup—wehavepain.Painmeanswedon’tlikewhat’saround,we’refedup—it’snotourplace.

Ifsomebodysays,“I’mveryhappyhere,”he’snotreadytogoanywhere.Amancametome.Hesaid,“You’retellingusweshouldgotoSachKhand,weshouldgointootherplanes.Why?I’mveryhappyhere.I’vegotgoodmoney.I’vegotagoodjob.I’vegotgoodhealth.I’mlivingverywell.I’mhappy.WhyshouldIfollowwhatyou’resaying?”Isay,“Youdon’thavetofollow.Enjoyyourself.Youcomeheretoenjoy,goenjoyyourself.”Afteroneweekhecameandcomplainedhowunhappyhewas,that“Oh,thatgirlleftme...thishappenedsoI’mditchednow,solonely.”Whathappened?Hethoughthehadeverything.Whenwearedisappointedwithwhatwehave,weturnintoseekers.Andwhenweseek,wehavethetotem;thetotemisaPerfectLivingMaster,aPerfectLivingMasterwho’spartofthedream.Don’tforget,he’snotreal.Ifwearealldreamlike,howcanhebereal?He’spartofthedream,atoteminthedream.Buthecanwakeusup,andthereforeit’saverysimilarthing.Ilikethatmovie.So,wewerenotthatstupidaswethink.We’reveryintelligent—superintelligent—tomakeanarrangementthatwhenwewanttoseekandgoback,wewon’thavetosearch,aPerfectLivingMasterwillsearchusandgetusbackhome.That’sagooddealwegot.Q.[Unrecordedquestionaboutfear.]A.Firstofall,fear...fearisonlyinthemind.Fearcomesfromdoubt.Doubtisanaturalproductofthemind.Thethinkingmind,whenitthinks,itlooksatdifferentpossibilities,andsinceanythingispossible,ourmindcanlookatthenegativesideofpossibilitiesandbecomeafraid.So,thedoubt—“Whatwillhappennext?”—createsfear.Andtherefore,themindisconstantlycreatingdoubtandfearinus.Andthemorementalweare,themoreinsecureweare.Icantellyouifapersoncomestomeandsays,“Ihavenodoubt,”I’llsaylet’sarguealittlebitmoreandthinkfortenminutes,andhe’llhavedoubt.Mindissuchanaturalcreatorofdoubt,anditcreatesdoubtevenwhenwe’reseeingthingswithourowneyes.Itdoesn’tbelieve—itwantsproof.Whatproofdoesitwant?ItwantsproofthatwhatI’msayingistrue.Isay,“Youcanwakeuptoahigherlevel.”Itsays,“Givemeproofrighthere.”Isaid,“Doyoueveraskforproofwhenyouwakeupinthemorningfromyoursleep?”Hasanybodyevergotupinthemorningandsaid,“IwantproofthatI’mawake”?Hashepinchedhimself?Hasanybody,anyoneofyou—wouldyougetupinthemorning[and]pinchyourselftoseeifyou’reawakeornot?Youareawakewithoutopeningyoureyes.Youareawakewhilestilllyinginbedwithnomovementatall.It’stheshiftofconsciousness,it’snotthemovement,it’snottheexperienceofoutside,it’sconsciousnesssays,“Thisisadifferentstate.Mydreamhasended—I’m

awake.”Theproofofwakefulnessinthewakefulness;itdoesn’tlieincheckingoutfromsomethingwhichispartofadream.SupposingIwashavingadreamandtwentypeopleweresittingthere,andIwanttoknow“Isitrealorisitdream?”I’llaskthosetwentypeople,“Whatdoyousay,isitadreamorreal?”Theysay,“It’sallreal.”AndIsay,“Look,twentypeoplearetellingit’sreal,howcanitbeadream?”andIwakeup.Wherearethosetwentypeople?They’regone.Maybetheyexistinthisphysicalworld,buttheywerenotinthedream—theyweresleepingintheirownhomes.AndIwasgettingverificationaboutthenatureofconsciousness,aboutthelevelofconsciousnessfrompeoplewhobelongtothesamelevel.Howcantheygivemeanyevidence?IcannothaveevidenceofwakefulnessanddreamwhileI’mdreaming.Wakefulnessitselftellsmethatwasadream.Theshiftinthelevelofconsciousnesscarriesitsownproof,andthereisnoprooflikethat.So,theproofisnotcomingfromverifyingfromotherpeopleorverifyingfromthings.Proofcomesfromyourownwakefulness.Whenyou’reawakeyouhavetheproof.Sothatiswhydoubtandfearonlydisappearswhenyougoabovethemind.Tillthenitwillbethere.Buttherearemanywaysoftacklingit,andwe’lldealwithsomeofthosewaysoftacklingthedoubtandfearofthemindasweproceedinthenextfewdays.Butthemindwillalwayshavefearanddoubt,andhowtohandlethatisoneofthechallengesoflife.Butyoucannotsaythatyou’llbetotallyfreeoffearanddoubtunlessyoucrossthemind—goabovethecausalstage—intopurespiritualregionswherethesoulaloneexistsandwithoutthemind,thenthereisnofear.Apersonwhohasenlightenedhimselftothatpointwillneverbeafraid.Thisisoneoftheothersignsthatyoucansee—thereshouldbenodoubtandnofearinapersonwhohasgonebeyondthemind.Thereneveris,neitherbeafraidofanythingnordoubtanything.Theyhavecertaintyineverypartofhislife.Sothatwecanallattain.Youcanallbewithoutdoubtandfearlessbygoingaregionabovethemind.I’msogladthatwehavethisopportunity.PerfectLivingMastersgiveustheopportunitytogobeyondthemindwithinthislifetime,andweshouldtakeadvantageofit.Q.[Unrecordedquestionaboutthemind.]A.Themindisnotacollectionofentities;entitiesarecreatedbythemind.Elementalsarealsocreatedbythemind.Themindisacreativepower.It’sacreativepowerthatcreatesentities,createsthings,createsexperiences.It’snotanentityoracollectionofentitiesbyitself.Q.[Unrecordedquestionaboutdyingwhileliving.]

A.Theconceptofdyingwhilelivingfirstofalltakesawayyourfearofdeath,averybigfactorinourlife.Weareafraidofdying.Theexperienceofdyingwhilelivingtakesawaythatfearforever,becauseyouknowdeathisnotdeath—thatyou’renotreallydying,you’rejustchangingbodies—you’rejustchangingintoanotherform.Andthatformisbetterthanthisform.Thatformhaslessencumbrancesthanthisformhas.Thatformhasmorefreedomthanthisformhas.Andonceyou’reabletoseethatformbydyingwhileliving,deathisnoproblem.Whenthefearofdeathgoesaway,lotoffearsgoawaywithit.Alotofinsecuritiesarebasedonthis:“WhatwillIdoinmyoldage?”I’minsecurefinancially.Whatwillhappentome?Nobodywilltakecareofme.”Alltheseinsecuritiesarecomingbecausewehavenoideawhatdeathis.So,theknowledgeofdeath,thatit’snotrealdeath,thatyoujustchangetoamoretrueform—morerealformisveryhelpful.Itaffectsyourliferighthere,ifyou’renotafraidofthingsyourlifechangesrighthere,andyourconfidencebuildsup,yourclaritybuildsup.You’reabletoseethingsmuchmoreclear.Yourfunctionsofyourownsenseperceptionschangerightwhenyou’rehere.So,therearelotofthesesidebenefitsofmeditation,theseextraperksthatyougetwhenyoudodyingwhileliving.Q.[Unrecordedquestionaboutprayer.]A.Whenwepray,itbecomesagoodprayerifwedon’taskforanything.Butwealwaysprayforsomething.Wesay,“Iampraying,yougivemethis.”That’snotcalledprayer.That’scalledabusinesstransaction.Mostofourprayerwe’reusingforbusiness.“Okay,I’llpray,you—God—givemethis.”Prayeristoexpresswhatyouhave—nodemand—that’strueprayer.IntheBhagavadGita,bigclassicbookonHinduism,Krishna,theavatarofVishnu,inspeakingtoArjun,thewarriorking/princeArjun,heistellinghimthat“youcanachieveenlightenmentifyoudosomething,doanactionasadutywithoutaskingforanyrewardwhatsoever.Themomentyouaskforrewardforwhatyou’redoing,you’retrapped.”Andhesays,“Therearethreewaysyoucangetenlightened.Oneisanactionwithoutreward,”whichwecallKaramyoga,yogaofaction.Yogaofcoursemeansenlightenment,joiningwith.Yogameansjoining,joiningwithyourrealself.Karamyoga,youbecomeaKaramyogi.Youbecomeonewho’senlightenedbecauseofyouractionswithoutdemand,ofanyreturnforthat.AndthesecondisGyanyoga,orSankhyayoga,whichistheyogaofknowledge.Ifyoulearnsomuchthatyoufindthatyourlearninghasalimit,you’llfindthatyoucan’tgetthatbylearning,thatthebookscannotteachyou,nothingcanteachyou.Allknowledge

islimited.Whenyou’vereachedthelimitandyouexpectsomethingbeyond,you’reenlightened—that’sSankhyayoga.Buthesays“thehighest”—Krishnasays,thehighestoftheyogas,threeyogas,isBhaktiyoga,theyogaofloveanddevotion.Becauseloveanddevotiondonotarisefromthemind;itarisesfromthesoul.Therefore,whenyou’reinthatmode,itpullsyoubeyondthemind,andthat’sthehighestformofenlightenment.So,hemakesitveryclearthatweshouldbeactingwithoutreward.Prayershouldbeadescriptionofwhatyouare,nomore.Leaveittotheotherbody—don’texpect.Thisisthewholeteaching,thatexpectationcreatesourproblems.Lookatourownlife.Wheredotheproblemscome?Expectations.Weexpecttoomuchanddoesn’thappen.We’redisappointed—crushed,emotionallycrushed—sometimesphysicallycrushed.Weexpectsomuch.Whatwouldbelifewithoutexpectation?Wewouldbeinheavenifwedidn’thaveexpectationsandjustlivedalifeasgiventoyou.Say,“Beautiful,beautiful,Iseebeautyaroundme.Iliveinthislife,andIhavenoexpectation.”You’llgeteverythingthatyouwant.Arewenotdestroyingourchancesofgettingeverythingbyexpectingtoomuch?So,expectationiswhatkillsprayer.Prayerisgreatifitisdonewithoutexpectation.Q.Pleaseexplainintermsofcolorandsoundsandnumberstheastralandcausalmechanicsofkarma,plusthemechanicsofburningorpayingoffkarma.A.That’saverymechanicalquestion.Iamresponsiblebycallingitamachineoraccessory.Therearesomebuildingblocksforexperience.Thebuildingblocksofthisexperiencearoundus.Whenwelookatit,whatisit?Color,form,shape—mostlythat—anddifferentkindsofgeometricalformulasthatcanbeapplied.Andweputthemtogetherandtheworldcomesintobeing.Piecebypiecewecanputthemtogether.Thesebuildingblocksexistinthehigherplanes.Notasbuildingblocksoftheseexperiences,asformsoflife.Therefore,wecangotothehigherplaneandsay,“IwanttomeetMr.Bluetoday.”Who’sMr.Blue?Thebluecolor.Thebluecolorhasasoullikeusbuthaschosentobeinastateatthatlevel,andthatstateisnothere.Hereitbecomesacolor,andit’susedforthebuildingblock.Iwanttomeetatriangletomorrow.What’satriangle?it’sjustashape.Butthereisatrianglewhichhasasoulinit.Thebeautyofthattriangleisthatallshapesoftrianglesisthatonesoul,andwemakemillionsoftrianglesfromthere.Infact,weuseatriangle,accordingtosomemathematicians,tomakeeveryform,thatallformscanbebrokendownintolittletriangles,andthesmallerthetrianglethemorehandyitistomakedifferentforms.So,theseareforms,andyoucanshakehandswithacircleifyoulike.So,these

shapesandformsandcolorsarebuildingblocksthatarise.Thesearecreatedinthecausalplane.Thecauseofallexperiencethatwehaveisbuiltuptherethroughformsandcolorsandsoon.Whenitcomesdowntotheastralplane,thesamebuildingblocksthenconvertintoideas.So,whatwecallaconceptisinthecausalplane;whatwecallanideaisintheastralplane.What’sthedifference?QuotingAristotleandSocratesagain,hesays,“Achair—wehavemillionsofchairs—itcamefromtheideaofachair.”Webuiltachair—apictureofachair—somethingtositon.[It]mayhavearms,maynothavearms,somemodifications,somethingtositusabovetheground/floor.Achair.Thatoneideawasusedtomakemillionsofchairsinthephysicalworld,butwheredidtheideaofachaircomefrom?Intheconceptofsomethingtositonabovetheground—thatwasthecausalplane.Theconceptsofallthingshavecomefromthecausalplane.Theideashavecomefromtheastralplane,andtheirapplicationinthematerialphysicalworldistakingplacehere.Thebeautyisthatthoseconceptsarelivingentitieswithsouls,thoseideasarelivingentitieswithsouls.So,ifwehavekarmatoworkout,wecanworkoutinmanyways.Wecanworkoutsomegoodkarmabybeingoneofthoseentitiesandenjoyingourselvesforthetimethatwehavegoodkarma.Or,it’snotnecessarilyourimagesthatheavenandhellislikethisplaceandwearealllikehumanbeingssufferingthereorenjoyingthere.No,we’renothumanbeingslikethisthereatall;we’redifferentforms.So,theformskeeponchanging,andthereforealltheselittlebuildingblocksofexperience,anykindofexperience—somearemoresubtle.TheseexamplesI’mgivingyou—colorandsoon—isonlyforthephysicaluniverse.Whataboutideasofjealousy?Whataboutideaofcompetition?Whatabouttheseabstractideas?They’revisibleinthat,yetthey’realsobornthesamewaythere.Theseconceptsandideashavebigvarietyofthem,andahugepopulationofthemexistforwhichallthesedifferentworldsarebeingcreated.Q.[Unrecordedquestionaboutdreams.]A.That’scalledpremonition.Whatispremonition?Thatyoucanfeelwhat’sgoingtocome;sometimesyoucanseeittoo.Thisisjustapsychicabilitysomepeoplehavenaturally—somecultivateit.TherewasaladylivinginDekalb—howfar?—about60milesfromChicago.WhenIfirstcameherethatladyhadastrangefeelingshecouldfeelwhat’sgoingtohappenaweeklater.Andshecouldtell.ImetherataSpiritualFrontiersFellowshipmeetingintheEastCoast.Andthatlady…whatwashername?CarolCanova,that’shername.She’sstillthere.CarolCanovashowedherabilityatthespiritualgathering,whichIalsoattended,andthenshewantedtomeetmetotalkaboutspirituality,andthisisjustapsychicability.Shewantedtoknow

howshecanreallymakeuseofwhatshehasandhowshecangospirituallyforward.So,wefixedanappointment.IhadjustcomefromIndia.Iwasapoorimmigrantinthiscountrygettingaaliencard.Theyallconsideredmelikeanalienanyway.Ihadanalienregistrationcard,calledgreencardnow.So,Iwasnewinthiscountryanddressinginmyownkhakis,whichIwaswearingforalongtime.Ididn’thavethemoneytobuymuchstuffwhenIfirstmether,butIwashiredbyacompanythatbegantogivemeeverything.ShesaidshewillcometoChicagotoseeme.WherecanImeether?Isaid,“Youcanmeetherataparticularofficeofmyemployer.”Shehadadreamthatshewasmeetingmeinafive-starhotel,andthatshewasmeetinginthelobby.Shehadadreamthatshewaswaitinginthelobby,andIwascominginabigstretchlimousine,andIwasgettingoutofthelimousine,andshesurprisedit.First,Iwasmeetingsomewhereelse,andthenI’mcominginastretchbigcar.Idon’thaveanythinglikethat.So,shesaidthismustbefaultydream.Thisisnotoneofthoserealones,notagoodpsychicdream.Asithappensmypartnersgotalimousineandtheychangedthevenueintoafive-starhotelinChicagoandcalledher[to]meetherthere.Thefirstthingcametoher:“Maybemydreamwasright.”Butsherecordedallherdreamsinaregister,datebydate.So,shebroughttheregister,andIsteppedoutofthelimousineandtheresheopenedherregisterthat,“Iknewthisoneweekearlier,”thatshesawthis.Thesethingshappen.Howcanithappen?Itcanonlyhappenifmyeventwasalreadythere.Wedon’tbelieveinpredetermination,wedon’tbelievethateverythingispredetermined.Ifitwasn’tpredetermined,howcouldyouseethefuture?Ifaneventofthefutureisvisibletoyou,andyougo,andyoufindit,you’reafraidthatsomethingbadisgoingtohappen,andsomethingbaddoeshappen.Yougotapremonitioninadvance;you’reabletoseeit.Howdoyouexplainit?SupposingI’mreadinganovel,anicestory,andI’mgoingtoseewhatwillhappennext,andbyaccident,insteadofonepage,IturntenpagesandIseewhat’sgoingtohappen.Idon’tunderstandbecausethishappenedtenpageslater.Igobacktomypage,pagebypage,whenitcomesIsay,“Iknewitbefore.”It’sjustbackaccidentorbypsychicability,turningthepagetooquickly.Butthefactisitshowsthateverythingispredeterminedandwe’rejustmovingonit.Theotherfallacywehaveisthattimeisflowing.Timeneverflows;weflow.Wethinkthatyesterdayispast.Itwasflowingthroughus.Tomorrowisstilltocome.It’snotthereyet—itwillcomeandthenwe’llexperienceitastoday—it’llgoandbecomeyesterday.

Anothertomorrowwillcome,flowthroughusandbecomeyesterday.That’snotthetruthatall.That’snotreality.Therealityisthattomorrowsandday-after-tomorrowsandallthefutureisalreadythere.Timeisstill,timenevermoves.Timeisalinkcontainingalltheeventsthatcaneverhappen.They’reallplacedthereinadvance.Wearetimetraveling.WesayEgyptiansweretimetraveling.Isaid,“What’sthedifference?We’retimetravelingtoo.”TheonlydifferencebetweentheEgyptiantimetravelandourtimetravelisthatwedon’tchangeourspeedwitheachother—theycouldchangetheirspeed.Inotherpartofourphysicaluniversethereisaplanet—someofyoucangoandseeit—wherethemovement,yourmovementontime,iscontrolledbyyou.Likemovementonspaceiscontrolledbyushere.Supposingtwoofusarewalking,onecanwalkfastandgoahead,andyoucanwalkandcatchup.Inthatplanet,peoplecontroltheirowntime.Andtheycanmovefastintimeandgototomorrowwhileyou’restillintoday,andthenyoucatchupandifthey’renotmovingfasteryoucatchupagain.Timeandspacearenotdistinguishablethereatall.Ofcourse,Einsteinsaidthesamething,butwedon’tunderstandit,thatourtimeandspacearethesamething—they’rebothcreatedbyattention.Butwhenwesaytimetravel,we’retravelingontimeandtimeisstill.That’swhywecanseefutureevents.IhadaveryinterestingexperienceI’venarratedbeforewithapsychicinIndia,andthatwasa…Ihadgoneforaninterviewfornavaljob,joiningtheNavyinIndia.AndwhenIcameoutIhadmylittlebagofpapers,andImetamanwithaturban,andheaccostedmeandsaid,“Goodluck.”Isaid,“WhyareyouspeakingEnglish?YoucanspeakPunjabi,mylanguage.”Hesaid,“Doyouhaveapieceofpaper?”“Isaidyeah.”Itookoutapieceofpaperandgaveittohim.Andthenhelookedatmyeyesandbegantoscribblesomethingonit.Ididn’tknowwhathewasdoing,whetherhewaswritingsomethingformeorforhimselfortosendanotetosomebody.Andthenhefoldedthepaper,refoldedit,andgaveit.Hesaid“Holdthispaperinyourhandlikethis.Nowyouwrite,writethenameofaflower.Write…”No,firsthesaid,“Writeanumberbetweenoneandten.”AndIsaid—Iwastryingtobecleverwithhim—Isaid,“Youknowwhensomebodysayswritenumberbetweenoneandten,thefirstnumberisstrikeinthemiddle—five—andhe’sexpectingmetowritefive,andI’mnotgoingtowritefive.Ifthisishistricktoplaytoshowthatheknowsmynumberfivealready,I’lldisproveit.”Iwrotethree.Thenhesays,“Writethenameofaflower.”AndIknewthatgulaaborroseisthecommonflowerpeoplewrite,andhe’sexpectingmetowritethat.Ishouldthink,“ThisisinLucknow,UP,whichisnotPunjabstate.”So,IknewthatItrytothinkofaflowerhemayneverhaveheardof.So,thereisaflower—chameli,soIwroteinEnglish,chameli—c-h-a-m-e-l-i.Now

hesays,“Writeyourdateofbirth.”SoIwasbornonthe26thofNovember1926,soIwrote1926.Andhesaid,“Thisistheyearofbirth—dateofbirth.”So,IwroteNovember26th,yearfirst,1926—November26.Hesays,“Oh,okay,openthatpageIgaveyou.”Iopened.Itsaid,“Three,chameli,1926.ExactlywhatIwrote,hewroteitbefore.WhatbotheredmeandpuzzledmewasthathewrotethisbeforeIthoughtofit.Iwassurprised.Isaid,“Howcouldyoudothis?”Thenhesays,“ShallItellyoumore?”Isaid,“Please,tellmemore.”Hesaid,“WhenIaskedyoutowriteanumberbetweenoneandten,yousaidinyourmindthat,‘HethinksI’mgoingtowritefive,butIwillwritethree.’Hegavemywholethoughtsequence.“AndwhenIaskedforthefloweryouthought,‘I’mgoingtothinkofaflowerhehadn’theardof.’Andthenyouwrotechameli.Theguynotonlyknewthecorrectanswers,heknewthecorrectsequenceofthinkingthatIhadtocometothoseanswers,thebestproofI’vehadthateverythingispredetermined,otherwisehecouldn’thaveknownit,includingmythoughts,includingmyfreewill,whatIthoughtwasfree.Iwasusingfreewilltowritethosethings,andheknewmyfreewillbeforeIcouldwriteit.Sotherefore,everythingispredetermined—doesn’tlooklikeit.So,there’sagroupofpeople—Ithenaskedhimmorequestions.Iaskedhim“Howdidhelearnit?Fromwhichgurudidhegetthisknowledge?”Heexplainedallthat.Hesays,“Adwindlingclass.We’reveryfewleftnow,andwe’recalledBatras.AndtheBatras,wehavelearnedonlythesethingstoseewhatapersonwillthinkfiveminuteslater.”Theycan’ttellyouwhatistomorrowordayafter.Therewasanotherpsychicwho…IndiawasdividedintoIndiaandPakistan.Lotofhorrorstoriesabouthowpeoplemoved—therefugeesmoved.Iwasoneoftherefugeesthatmoved,andwehadtogolookforhouses;wecouldn’tfindaplacetolive.Wehadtojustoccupyhousespeoplehadvacated.Wasquiteamessthosedays.Andthat’sanothermanImet.HewasnotaBatra.Hewascarryingsomehayonhishead,andhesaid,“Goodluck”tome.So,Isaid—againthing—“Whyareyousayinggoodluck?Aren’tyouaPunjabiguy?YoucanspeakPunjabilanguage.”Hesays,“I’msayinggoodluckbecauseyouhavegoodluck.”Isaid,“Tellmewhatthegoodluckis.”Istoppedhim.“Tellmewhatthegoodluckis.”Hesays,“Wellfirstgivethefee.”Isaid,“Thatshowsit’sallgreed,youjustwantmoneyandyourpredictionmaynotberight.”Hesaid,“Ididn’tsayhowmuch.Youcangivemeanyfee.”Isaid,“Whataboutonepaisa—lessthanapenny.”Hesaid,“Yes,keepiton...putitonmypalm,”onesmallcoin,smallestcoin,putitonhispalm,closedthepalm.Hesaid,“Intwenty-ninedaysfromtodayyouwillgetgoodnews,andthat’swhyIsaid‘goodluck.’Twenty-ninedaysfromthatyou’llgetbadnews,andyou’llfeelverybad.Twenty-ninedays

afterthatI’llmeetyoutocheckifthesetwothingshavehappened.Thenyou’llgivemethebalanceofmyfee.”Icouldn’tbelieve—Itoldmyunclewhowasmovingalsowithmethatsuchathinghashappened,“Idon’tbelievethiscanhappen.”Iwastryingtofindsomebusinessorsomething.Twenty-ninedayslateraSouthIndianteacompanymademetheirsolerepresentativebytelegram,that“you’reappointed.”Irealizedit’stwenty-ninedays,andIgotabigbusinessdeal.Iwaslucky.Twenty-ninedaysafterthatIheardGreatMasterdied,2ndofApril,andIwasreallysadthatmyMaster,whoispartofme,partofmylife,hasphysicallygoneaway.Andthentherewasadoctor,alsoarefugee,andmetoo…Iwaspracticinghomeopathicmedicinethosedays,sowecombinedhandstosetupamulticlinic.So,wenttoaplaceaboutthirty,fortymilesawayfromNewDelhi,andweopenedupajointclinic.Thedoctorwantedmetobringsomesupplies,sowenttoDelhitobigstore.Iwasstandinginfrontofthestore.Amanhitmeintheback.Iturnedaround—sameman.Hesaid,“Thisthethirdtwenty-ninedays.”Isaid,“Thisiscrazy.You’vereallyconvincedmeofsomethingIdidn’tknow.Thisistoogoodtobetrue.Butitistrue.I’mhavingthisexperience.”Hesaid,“Givemethebalancefee.”Isaid,“YouknowI’marefugee—Idon’thavemoney.”Buthesaid,“Yougotseventy-fivebucksinthatpocket.”Nowtheseexperiencesshowhowlittleweknowofthetime,howlittleweknowaboutfuture,howlittleweknowaboutthesethings.We’rejustgoingalongwithassumptions.“No,futureisnotmadeyet.Wearemakingitnow.”Whenwesaythatwe’remakingthefuturenow,isitatruestatementorfalse?Falseortrue?Howmanyofyouthinkit’safalsestatementtosay,“We’remakingour,we’remakingourdestinynow?”Howmanysayit’sfalse?Howmanysayit’strue?Oh,true’sarewinners.Thetruthisthatwheretheentiredestiny,thewholecreationisbeingmade,there’snotime.Therefore,it’snow.Whenwesay,“Dowehavefreewillornot,”andwesay,“Wehavenofreewill,it’sonlyanexperienceoffreewill.”Wethinkit’sfreewillbecausewedon’tseethefuture,wedon’tknowwhatthefutureis,soitlookslikefreewilltous.Isitreallyfreeornotfree?Howmanyofyoubelievethatfreewillisreal?Howmanyofyoubelieveit’snotreal?IfyougotoSachKhandyou’llfinditisreal,becausethemakeroffreewillisthesameasyou.Theselfisthesame.Thesearestatementsthatwemakerelevanttothelevelofconsciousnesswe’rein.Asyouascendtothoselevelsyou’llfindthatmanythingsthatlookcontradictorytousarereallytrue.So,wesay“no.”Peopletellme,“WhyI’mhavingthisbadkarma?”“WhydidGodgivemebadkarma?”Isaid,“DoyouknowGod?Ifyou’reblamingGodforyourbadkarma,youmustbeknowingGod,havesomeinklingofhimthathe’sgivinggoodthingstoothersandgivingyoubadkarma.”Youarethemakerofyour

karma.Atthislevel,atthenextlevel,atthethirdlevelyou’llfindoutyou’rethemaker,andthenyoumaylosesightthatthemindwasmakingupthekarma.Atthetopyou’llagainfindthatyouwerethemakerofeverythingincludingthemind.So,answerschangetoourquestionswitheverylevelofconsciousness.

Peoplefindcontradictionsinbooks,thatinonebookitsays,“Youmustputinyourbesteffort.”Anotherpartofthesamebooksays,“Efforthasnovalue.Ithastobegraceonly—whichistrue?”Isiteffortorgrace?Howmanyofyoubelieveeffortisnecessary?Howmanyofyoubelievegraceisnecessary?Howmanyofyoubelievebotharenecessary?Oh,good.Thereisnodifferencebetweentwo.

Youwillnotmakeeffortwithoutgrace.Themindwillnoteventhinkofyoumakingeffortwithoutgrace.So,attheendyou’lldiscoverthatwhatcalledeffortwasalsograce,andthengraceandeffortbecomethesame.Sothatiswhytheanswersdifferdependinguponwhatlevelofexperiencewe’rehaving.

I’msorryI’mgivinglonganswers.Okay,remainingquestionslateron.I’llseeyoutomorrow.GreatMaster’sblessings.

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