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Housekeeping Notes
All phones are muted during the call
There is a chat function where you can
ask me questions that I will be
answering during the call.
You will not get a certificate for this free
class.
This class is my way of giving back, and
trying to do what I can to help YOU do
more with your business.
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Plus, maybe you will take a class from
me in the future, or better yet
Buy a copy of Surf Anonymously…
Check out the new Internet Predator
Tracker website!
And make sure to stay up to date with all
the new software I have coming out in
2010
Housekeeping Notes
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Copyright
All material in this presentation is Copyright 2010 by Joseph Seanor and PI Mall LLC.
Any reproduction in physical or electronic format is not allowed without the written permission of Joseph Seanor.
All material is original content developed by Joseph Seanor
If you wish to use this information in a presentation of your own, or in other materials, please contact me at: [email protected]
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Joe Seanor I currently hold the following certifications:
CISSP—Certified Information Systems Security Professional
NSA IAM—National Security Agency Information Assessment Methodology
CEH—Certified Ethical Hacker
CCNA—Cisco Certified Network Associate
CCDA—Cisco Certified Design Associate
MET—Master Email Tracer
Author of 17 books, current book is The Black Book on Corporate Security, where I wrote the section on Converged Network Security.
10 years Central Intelligence Agency
14 years Private Investigator
7 Years AOL Senior Investigator for Computer Crime
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What is Squidoo?
Squidoo was created in 2005 by Seth Godin, a marketing guru.
Squidoo gets over 10 million hits a month.
When you create a page on Squidoo, it is called a “Lens”.
Each Lens gets its own PageRank from Google (very important)
Each lens has a built in RSS feed (very important)
You can make money from the lens itself from Squidoo.
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According to Seth, he named it that
because a Squid’s eyes have “lens” on
them to “view the world.”
So, when you write, its called a Lens
And he added the extra oo at the end,
because companies with the oo in their
name have done very well.
Google….Yahoo….
Why Squidoo??
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Why use Squidoo?
Answer these questions:
Is your online business lacking traffic?
Does your website need more help in terms
of making income?
Do you have a product or affiliate product
you want to sell?
If you answered YES to any of these,
Squidoo is the way to get FREE traffic!
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Wait..make money?
Squidoo has a number of built in affiliate programs that you can easily add to your Lens.
The two biggest ones are: Ebay and Amazon.
By adding the Ebay affiliate, you can promote Ebay auctions.
By adding the Amazon affiliate, you can promote any products on Amazon.
Be aware, you will share the revenue with Squidoo if you do this.
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Why is it so important?
Well, today's business world is cut throat now and everyone is fighting for every penny.
It is a war out there and you need to use every tool you can.
How do most people look for a PI? Yellow Pages? Or Google?
You can pay for the top ranking on Google, but everyone knows that is a paid system, so most look right below that.
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Organic Traffic
All the listings below the paid listings are
considered Organic Traffic.
Squidoo is a GREAT way to get these
rankings increased.
But, Squidoo is one part of the system,
but it is a vital part.
This is one way to get your company or
yourself listed at the top of Google
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Before you sign up
Before you sign up, you need:
Email account
I suggest that you use Gmail as your account and not your business account.
Why? You may create Lens on many different subjects then just your business.
Create a Twitter account
Create a Facebook Profile
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How do I sign up?
All you need to do is go to:
http://www.squidoo.com
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Sign-up
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Sign-up
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What do you want to write?
You need to be able to write about
something on your lens that meets the
following:
Something your interested in
Something you are passionate about
Some that you can write more that once
about.
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Not sure what to write about?
Still can’t think of something?
But you want to write something on your
own?
How about this!
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Joe’s SECRET TIP
Can’t think of something to write about?
http://answers.yahoo.com
And then click on Search for Questions!
This is a great place to look for
something to write about for your
Squidoo Lens.
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What's your lens about?
Now you need to decide what are you
going to write about.
HINT: the title of your lens should be
related to what you want done.
Meaning, you want better rankings in
Google?
Think about what a client would type into
Google to find you. NOT PI, think
LONG TAIL.
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Long Tail???
Keywords are the way search engines
work.
Keywords are: PI, Private Investigator,
GPS, etc
FORGET GETTING THE TOP
RANKINGS FOR THOSE!!
Besides those are worthless keywords,
people using those are browsing. You
want BUYERS.
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Long Tail Keywords
Long tail keywords is where everything
is at now, and what you need.
Consider the following list:
PI
Private Investigator
Private Investigator in GA
Divorce & Private Investigator in GA
Which do you think is someone looking
to hire right now?
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First step RESEARCH
The first thing you need to do is RESEARCH what you want to write about.
What do I mean by this?
Search Squidoo for Lens that are similar to what you want to write about.
Look at what they did, how they arranged things and look at their ranking.
Next, go to the Top 100 and look at the Top 100 Lens, see what they did to get that ranking.
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Second Step
Gather your resources
You will need your material for your lens,
so it is best to have it ready before you
write your lens.
What you need to have
Video
Pictures
Websites
Blog
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Now your ready!
Now it is time to setup your profile.
Go to My Dashboard
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You BETTER put up a profile!!
Remember, Squidoo is ALL about
setting you up as an EXPERT.
Squidoo Profile
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Squidoo Profile
Add a Photo
Add a Bio
Enter some external links: Blog (use your PI Mall Blog)
Twitter account
Facebook page
MySpace page
Enter some other lens you like
Enter some basic “favorites”
Check your Social Applications Settings
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Make sure that you enter good
descriptions!
What do I mean?
Not “I’m a Private Investigator”
Enter “Expert Divorce Private
Investigator in Atlanta GA”
NOTE: See the keywords!
Squidoo Profile
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Favorites?
Not “reading books, hiking…”
Enter “My favorite thing is dealing with
the tough divorce cases in Atlanta GA as
a private investigator”
NOTE: See Keywords again!
Squidoo Profile
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Surf Anonymously!!
Why????
Wait and see!!!!
Joe’s SUPER SECRET!!
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Creating your first Lens
Now back up to the top and right next to
the flaming eye, click on “Make a new
lens!”
Now that you are ready to create your
lens, lets get moving.
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NOTE:
Avoid putting too much sales jargon into
your Lens
Definitely do some research on the affiliate
links that you place on your Lens, make sure
they are profitable.
Provide REAL information.
The law at Squidoo is that you must provide
useful and valuable information to your
readers.
Creating your first Lens
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Lens title
So, for this I would name my Lens
either:
Private Investigator in Georgia
Hiring a Private Investigator in Georgia
Hiring a Divorce Private Investigator in
Georgia
(I expect to see those lens tomorrow!!)
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Remember, your lens MUST be keyword
rich!
Use the keyword that you want to rank
for in the title of your lens.
So, when it comes time to pick your
URL, it will look like:
http://www.squidoo.com/main-keyword-
here
Lens title
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Lens title
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What is the goal for your page?
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Create a Title and URL
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Tag your page
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Tag = Keyword
Tag??
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Tag your page
You need to think like you are using Google to find the EXACT thing you want.
If you are looking for a PI in Georgia, would you just enter “PI?”
So, whatever you are writing about, think like you are surfing the web, what exact words or close to it would you use?
Also, it shows 4 keywords, but Squidoo really allows up to 40! I suggest you use AS MANY AS YOU CAN!
Another keyword secret to follow….
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Keywords/Tags
So, as I have said before, think like
someone searching for your business
What would they type in to find your
exact business?
Not PI, or Private Investigator, think
more words
These are your keywords or Tags
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Joe’s Secret Tip
Try this website for FREE Keywords
https://adwords.google.com/select/Keyw
ordToolExternal
Lets see what we get from this!
These are the keywords that you use as
Tags on your lens.
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Welcome to your lens!
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Welcome to your first lens
Upload a picture! Everyone wants to know that you are a real person.
So, click on Introduction, Contents & Discovery Tool… EDIT
Start filling in all the blanks and upload that picture!
Go up to the top and click on Table of Contents, turn it on!
Then click on Discovery Tool, and turn it on, but you have to add 3 favorite lens. Always use ones with high ranks
Once that is done, click on SAVE
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Adding modules
In order to have a good lens that
Squidoo likes, you need to have at least
8 modules on your lens.
Also, you should update your lens at
least once a week.
What is an update? It could be a new
text module, a new RSS feed, anything
really.
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Squidoo is looking for at least 8 modules
for your lens if you really want to rank.
At least
4 text modules
1 video
1 feedback
2 Mix and Match (Amazon and twitter for
me!)
More on Modules
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Here is one menu you will see as you
keep coming back to work on a lens
Squidoo Menu
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Modules are the different parts of a
Squidoo lens.
There are many to choose from, here
are a few of them.
And remember, try and keep them in the
same are or something that you can
make relate to your lens.
Modules
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RSS..add your blog
Okay, next you want to add your blog,
this will be an RSS feed.
RSS is Real Simple Syndication, it’s a
way to get the news out about a page
quickly.
You can sign up at www.wordpress.com
and get your free Wordpress blog.
Make sure you title the blog after what
you page is about! Or after your name.
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New Text Module
This is where you do your writing.
Give the module a title, subtitle and then start writing.
It will tell you when you have written the basic amount, but be sure to write more.
Don’t write to much, since you can add another text module with more in it.
And that is a secret, every two or three days, add a new text module, or a new item to your lens. This keeps it fresh.
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When it comes to writing on Squidoo,
don’t worry about being perfect!
If you do, you will take forever to write
just one lens.
Think like Nike, Just Do It!
As you get more and more experience
with Squidoo, you will get better and
better at writing.
Text Module
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Amazon module
If you want to use the Amazon module, here is where you can configure it.
Remember, that you are sharing any sales with Squidoo.
Give the module a title, subtitle “Stuff I think is cool on Amazon” and then choose what will be shown.
You can let Amazon pick or you can.
If you have any products of your own in Amazon, then you want to pick the items.
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Flickr Photos
Next you can add some photo’s from
Flickr.com
Flickr.com is a web 2.0 website that you
need to sign up for in order to show any
photos.
Now you do not need to use this, but it
does help.
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Flickr
Maybe you do not want pictures of
yourself up on Flickr.
What about screen shots?
What about cars
What about computers
What about cell phones?
Any picture can be used, but try to make
it something you can tie to your articles
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YouTube video
In this section, you can add a YouTube video that is about the subject your are talking about.
I STRONGLY suggest that you make the video!
Now, don’t get nervous, it does not have to be a video of you, it can be a Camtasia presentation of something
Or it can be a general picture and an audio recording of you talking.
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YouTube
Make as many of these as you can, they
are a great way to get rankings and they
really help out with the Squidoo lens
People really like the videos in lens
And…..
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Joe’s Secret Tip
Don’t want to make a video?
BUY ONE!
Yes, go to www.youtube.com
Find the HOTTEST videos on YouTube
and check the account.
Odds are its someone you can approach
and offer say $100 for the video!
INSTANT traffic!
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Reader Feedback
Yes!
Set this module up for anyone to leave
comments.
Best of all is for you to create an alias
account and put a comment about your
lens.
Wait….what did you just say Joe???
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Del.icio.us Bookmarks
Yes!
You will need to sign up at:
www.delicious.com and setup an
account.
Here you will add a list of bookmarks to
sites that you have and also to other
sites about your topic.
If you don’t want to use any others, then
use links to US Government sites.
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But how do you find all of these
Government websites to bookmark?
www.google.com/unclesam
Just search on the keyword you want to
bookmark and let Google do the rest!
These are Government only websites
that have been indexed by Google.
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Del.icio.us Bookmarks
Del.icio.us Bookmarks
Don’t just use your main page as a
bookmark.
Use each of your internal pages as a
bookmark as well.
Make sure each page is SEO ready as
well.
That means, description, keywords and
title with anchor text.
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Plexo Amazon Voting
I wouldn’t worry to much about that
module.
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Blog posts from Google
Yes
Here you can add a search that will look
in any Google blogs and then post the
results to your to your lens.
Very easy and very effective.
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Conan O’Brien Videos
Craigslist
Dilbert
Did you know?
Digg
Discover Our Town
ESPN
Google maps
Modules to check out
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Bio?
Did you fill out your Bio?
You should do this, it will help in making this a more personable experience for everyone and get your lens ranked higher.
Remember Facebook Profiles?? Make sure to use KEYWORDS in your Bio!
What about your Facebook badge??
Also, don’t forget the photo!
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Tags
Okay, like I said before, Squidoo allows up to 40 tags
USE ALL OF THEM!!!
Just go to the section on the right hand side that says Tags
Next click the down arrow
Now, click on the Add More Tags, and keep adding until you reach the 40 tag limit.
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What now?
Now it is time to hit the Publish button!
Once you do this, your lens is ready to
go.
Scroll to the bottom and you will see
where you can send it out on Twitter
And you can also send on Facebook,
just click on the link!
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Updates
To have a successful lens, you need to
update the lens.
Or as they say “give it some love”
A good schedule is at least once a
week.
Just add a new text module
A new picture
A new video, anything.
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RSS
RSS stands for Real Simple Syndication
It is a way to send out your webpage as
a “news” item.
Your Squidoo lens has a built in RSS
box.
Make sure that every time you update
the lens, you send out an RSS blast.
I use RSSBot for all of them
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RSSBot
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PING
Once you have done the RSS update,
you need to PING the RSS feed.
If you use RSSbot, like I do, it has that
option built in.
This is how you get the word out on
Google about your page.
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RSSBot
Easy to use
Just put in your RSS feeds from each of your Web2.0 sites
And Submit!
You can have multiple projects with this as well.
And allows you to ping up to 23 services as well!
Price $29.95
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This site is GREAT for your Squidoo
lens.
Just go to this FREE site, well you can
pay for faster service if you want.
Add to the site your Title, your URL (full
squidoo url remember), and a text
discription, and your tags.
It will then submit it to 50 social
bookmarking sites!
Socialmarker.com
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Bookmarking demon
Bookmarking Demon is the program to use in order to do this!
A very easy program to use, and it really automates everything you need to do in order to bookmark all of your Web 2.0 sites and your Money site.
Now, the best part is, this program will create all the accounts for you
And the program will then bookmark your sites using all of these accounts that are setup.
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Bookmarking demon
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Bookmarking demon
You can run multiple projects with this program!
And, it has timers for posting the bookmarks
It has a proxy list that you can import in order to use this!
Huummmm….like my list with Surf Anonymously????
YEP!
It can hide itself as well!
Plus, it is only $147!!!
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How often should you update your lens?
At least once a week is good, add a new
text module, a new video, etc.
If you really want to wait, you can go
once a month, but that is a long time!
Update your lens!
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Here is what you need to do after you create your lens, or UPDATE your lens:
Grab your RSS feed from your lens
Add that to RSSBot
Submit it via RSSBot
PING IT with RSSBot
Add it to Socialmarker.com
PING IT
THAT’S FOR A NEW LENS OR AN UPDATE!
JOE PLAN FOR SQUIDOO
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If you do not have a way to collect emails for a mailing list, you are missing out BIG TIME!!
Go here: http://www.aweber.com
They have a $1 trial for a month.
Very easy to use, I use it!
Not sure you need a mailing list? Email or call me, I can tell you why you MUST have one.
Mailing list?
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To wrap up
At this point you should be ready for
your first lens.
Just jump in with both feet
I know there is a lot to setup at first, with
the other sites, but once that’s done it is
real fast.
So, go out there and setup your first
lens.
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Lens ideas
How to hire a PI
What to do if you suspect cheating
How to use a GPS tracker
Websites about divorce
Security and yourself
Home Security
Personal Protection
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Start writing your lens NOW!!!!
Don’t wait!
NEVER, EVER say “Its not perfect yet”
IT NEVER WILL BE!!!
Just write, write, write
The more you practice, the better you
will get at this, TRUST me, that’s what I
do!!
Wrap up
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Consulting with Joe
A lot of people have been asking about
this.
Email me or call me for times and what
to consult on.
My rates to PI’s only is $50 per hour.
You can find the link at:
http://www.pimall.com/joeseanor/
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Here is the thing about Squidoo
Not just my last Super Ultimate Secret,
but a NEW ONE!!
One of the things that Squidoo looks at
with your lens, is not only the number of
modules and keywords.
BUTTTTTTT
Joe’s SUPER ULTIMATE SECRET!
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Your Lens ranking by others!
And the other social media there!
Joe’s SUPER ULTIMATE SECRET!
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So, you have to hope that people like
what your write.
You could put up banners on websites.
You could post on blogs, and send out
tweets.
(yes, do all of those)
And then you could do something else,
something NOT for the faint of heart…
Joe’s SUPER ULTIMATE SECRET!
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You could FAKE IT!
HUH???
That means, create a BUNCH of Squidoo accounts, FAKE ONE’S
And rank and rate your own lens!!!
BUT
You have to use an ANONYMOUS connection to make sure Squidoo does not link those fake accounts to you!
Joe’s SUPER ULTIMATE SECRET!
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That means using something like
Surf Anonymously!
One click and your proxy changes!
Your in a different part of the world!
I will still keep it at $50 for everyone tonight, use the discount code:
Squidoo
By the way, it’s being listed now for $100 a copy in the PI Mall Affiliate program and at Clickbank.
Joe’s SUPER ULTIMATE SECRET!
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Here is another thing
To fake it, you will need email accounts
That’s a lot of work
NOPE!
Guerrilla Mail!!
http://www.guerrillamail.com/
Free service that gives you a temp email
account for 60 minutes!
Joe’s SUPER ULTIMATE SECRET!
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Setup your temp email
Setup your temp Squidoo
And rank/rate away!!!
REMEMBER, you made me a Sgt
Schultz promise!!
YOU KNOW NOTHIIINGGG!! (About
this secret!)
Joe’s SUPER ULTIMATE SECRET!
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Contact information
Email:
Phone: 404-202-1799 (9am to 6pm
please)
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Thank you!
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