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by LAURA PAPPANO March 31, 2019 A Students at the University of Minnesota formed the Bipartisan Issues Group and designed a logo with elephant and donkey overlapping to form a heart. Logo courtesy of designer, Johanna Schmidt This story also appeared in The Washington Post Divided We Learn Getting rid of the ‘gotcha’: College students try to tame political dialogue Rebelling against political discourse that polarizes people, new campus groups seek common ground and informed discussion of hot-button topics The Hechinger Report is a national nonprofit newsroom that reports on one topic: education. Sign up for our weekly newsletters to get stories like this delivered directly to your inbox. NN ARBOR, Mich. — Tempers are flaring again over “free speech.” But while adults shout and Tweet across the political divide, college students are organizing civil campus discussions — with both sides at the table. In the wake of violent political protests on campuses around the country, some students have stepped away from the fray and sought what’s been lacking: space for reasoned conversation, listening and middle ground. The hunger for moderation comes with rules that emphasize facts, ban personal attacks and respect ideological opponents. It begs two questions: Are we allowed to feel hopeful? And, can we learn something? These students are hardly “snowflakes.” They’re plunging into touchy subjects like prison reform, immigration, the government shutdown, teachers unions, health care for all, abortion, gun control and even — depending where they are — agricultural subsidies. ABOUT DONATE TOPICS This website uses cookies as well as similar tools and technologies to understand visitors’ experiences. By continuing to use this website, you consent to our usage of cookies and similar technologies, in accordance with our cookie policy. ACCEPT ACCEPT
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Page 1: tame political dialogue Getting rid of the ‘gotcha’: …...“As a conser vative, it’s an open space to talk about and share my views; … most of the time, you get shunned.

by LAURA PAPPANO March 31, 2019

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Students at the University of Minnesota formed theBipartisan Issues Group and designed a logo with elephantand donkey overlapping to form a heart. Logo courtesy ofdesigner, Johanna Schmidt

This story also appeared in TheWashington Post

Divided We Learn

Getting rid of the ‘gotcha’: College students try totame political dialogueRebelling against political discourse that polarizes people, new campus groups seekcommon ground and informed discussion of hot-button topics

The Hechinger Report is a national nonprofit newsroom that

reports on one topic: education. Sign up for our weekly

newsletters to get stories like this delivered directly to your inbox.

NN ARBOR, Mich. — Tempers are flaring

again over “free speech.” But while adults

shout and Tweet across the political divide,

college students are organizing civil campus

discussions — with both sides at the table.

In the wake of violent political protests on

campuses around the country, some students

have stepped away from the fray and sought

what’s been lacking: space for reasoned

conversation, listening and middle ground. The

hunger for moderation comes with rules that

emphasize facts, ban personal attacks and

respect ideological opponents.

It begs two questions: Are we allowed to feel

hopeful? And, can we learn something?

These students are hardly “snowflakes.” They’re plunging into

touchy subjects like prison reform, immigration, the

government shutdown, teachers unions, health care for all,

abortion, gun control and even — depending where they are

— agricultural subsidies.

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“The expectation is that you come in and you are willing to

hear anything people might say,” said Christina Laridaen, a

senior from Prior Lake, Minnesota, who is the outreach

coordinator for the Minnesota Bipartisan Issues Group at the

University of Minnesota.

A D V E R T I S E M E N T

What started with six friends talking politics a few years ago now

draws 40 every Thursday at 7 p.m. to Coffman Memorial Union for

organized discussion on preselected topics. The group has a logo

(donkey and elephant butts form a heart) and motto (“politics

without the yelling”).

Although the sessions attract “highly political people,” Laridaen said,

they also demand “a recognition of other people’s humanity: ‘I have

these values and they are important to me. And somebody has these

other values and they are just as important to them.’ ”

Related: OPINION: Election 2018’s winners include campus

activism, diversity — and polarization

The notion that people who disagree with you are not evil or ill-

intentioned is at odds with the prevailing national climate. To be

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“As a conservative,it’s an open spaceto talk about andshare my views; …most of the time,you get shunned.That doesn’thappen here.”Kyle Herbstreit, junior, referring tothe University of Michigan’sWeListen club

fair, campuses remain split and charged, but there is also a new drive

for meeting spaces and a quest for common ground.

Students are forming new clubs, reviving old ones,

launching bipartisan journals and organizing events. It’s

happening across the country at campuses large and small,

public and private — from Washington State University to

Tufts — and getting a boost from organizations like

BridgeUSA, which started in 2016 at Notre Dame and the

University of Colorado Boulder (and whose chapter at the

University of California, Berkeley, began after violent

protests around a planned visit by Milo Yiannopoulos in

2017). In the past year, BridgeUSA has grown from four to 24

campuses and will hold its second summit April 26 in

Dallas.

“It’s about putting a face to the other side,” said Daniel

Lewis, a junior who led a day-long Policy Challenge on

March 30 for Tufts CIVIC, which stands for Cooperation and

Innovation in Citizenship and is described as a “multipartisan

discussion forum.” Said Lewis, “It’s much harder to scream at

someone in front of you than someone across the room or across the

web.”

Julie Wollman, president of Widener University, who launched the

Common Ground Initiative there in fall 2017 to lead regular

conversations on campus for students and faculty, thinks people

simply “want to find a better way.” For student groups that means

creating club leaderships that are politically even, plus putting

emphasis on rules and sharing nonpartisan facts at each session.

WeListen, a club started by University of Michigan students in 2017,

is aggressively balanced. Its current co-presidents, Kate Westa, a

junior from Grand Rapids, Michigan, and Brett Zaslavsky, a

sophomore from Glencoe, Illinois, are matched political opposites

(she right, he left). The executive board “is a 50-50 split, half

conservative and half liberal,” as is the six-member “content team”

that provides background research for each gathering, said Evon Yao,

vice president of outreach.

Even the composition of discussion groups at events is balanced.

As 49 students entered Room 110 in Weiser Hall on a recent Monday

evening, they dropped backpacks and grabbed slices of cheese pizza.

But not before “checking in” on a laptop, where they rated their

political orientation overall and then on the issue of the evening —

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On a recent Monday evening, 49 students gathered inpolitically mixed groups to discuss and debate the deathpenalty at a session organized by WeListen, a bipartisanstudent group at the University of Michigan. LauraPappano, for The Hechinger Report

the death penalty — by indicating how strongly

they felt and where they fell on a spectrum from

“immoral and should be illegal” to “ought to be

used, especially for heinous crimes.”

A student-built algorithm then created a

composite score for each attendee and sorted

individuals into eight groups that optimized

political and ideological diversity within each.

Groups also had a secret “moderator,” trained in

conflict resolution, to keep talk fair. (Moderators

had gathered before the session to preview ways

to resolve possible tensions, such as talk

becoming a moral face-off, in which case

Zaslavsky advised, “bring it back to policy.”)

Before reporting to assigned tables, students received a two-page fact

sheet (including, for example, “There have been 1,492 executions

since 1976”; “from 2000 to 2015, 43% of inmates killed under the

death penalty had received a mental illness diagnosis”). They took in

a slide presentation on the history of the death penalty (the Code of

Hammurabi, views of the Founding Fathers).

Then came verbal guidelines. “People have good intentions and

genuinely believe what they say,” Westa announced. Zaslavsky ticked

off reminders — “be conscious of body language,” “no personal

attacks,” “no Googling facts.”

He added that people can change their views. “Don’t freeze people in

time. You see a lot of the same people week after week. . . . Keep an

open mind.”

To set the stage for civility, conversations began with five minutes of

nonpolitical chit-chat. Then, students in Group 7 — which included a

mix of college years, majors (history, mechanical engineering and

chemistry) and geographic origins (Michigan, Maryland and New

Mexico) — delved into a death penalty discussion that ranged wildly.

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Julia Pascale, a sophomore from Baltimore, and KyleHerbstreit, a junior from Stevensville, Michigan, discuss

There was mention of Truman Capote’s “In Cold Blood,” Ted Bundy,

Osama bin Laden and Hitler. They debated the death penalty’s

purpose (deterrence or retribution?), considered the soaring cost of

chemicals for lethal injection, the mental health of death row

convicts, the risk of wrongful execution, the cost of life

imprisonment versus the death penalty — even whether the death

should be painful for those guilty of heinous crimes. To which Tyler

Ziel, a soft-voiced junior with black-framed glasses, suggested that

lessening suffering at death may not be about the convict: “Is the

humanity for them or for us? So we are not so barbaric?”

In the end, nothing got decided. But that’s the

point. There are no “winners.” Bipartisan

discussions are about letting go of “gotcha’s” and

hearing others’ thoughts.

This tone attracts regulars like Kyle Herbstreit, a

junior from Stevensville, Michigan. “As a

conservative, it’s an open space to talk about and

share my views,” he said. Because the campus is

so liberal, “most of the time, you get shunned.

That doesn’t happen here.”

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the death penalty during a session sponsored by WeListen,a bipartisan student group at the University of Michigan.Laura Pappano, for The Hechinger Report

“It’s much harderto scream atsomeone in frontof you thansomeone acrossthe room or acrossthe web.” Daniel Lewis, junior at TuftsUniversity

Kate Westa, a junior from Grand Rapids, Michigan, who isco-president of WeListen, a bipartisan student group at

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when we demonize people for their ideas?

It’s not entirely clear how or why the desire to

share stances — rather than set fires or chant over opponents — is

gaining traction nationally. Perhaps it is the byproduct of a

generation that, unlike its older siblings, seeks to solve problems, not

just join sides.

That distinction struck Jacob Heinen, a former vice president of the

Washington State University College Republicans club. Although he

once proudly spray-painted “Trump” on a wall that club members

had built on campus, Heinen grew tired of what he saw as a focus on

antagonizing others to get attention and “just making people mad.”

And when the president of his university’s College Republicans,

James Allsup, surfaced at the “Unite the Right” rally in 2017 in

Charlottesville, Virginia, Heinen resigned from the group – and

helped to start a nonpartisan Political Science Club on campus. “I felt

there were more efficient ways to communicate conservative values,”

said Heinen, now a senior. “I want to engage people in honest

conversation.”

Ditto, you might say, for Andrew Solender, a junior at Vassar.

He’s hardly conservative — a Democrat who worked on

Hillary Clinton’s presidential campaign — but he found the

far-left antics around a visiting Cornell law professor’s talk

on free speech polarizing, allowing no room for those

deemed “not progressive enough.” It led him and friends last

spring to start the nonpartisan Vassar Political Review. (A

recent headline: “Opinion: New York Democrats should Vote

for Republican Mark Molinaro for Governor.”)

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controversial speakers and programs?

Creating a fair and cordial space,

student leaders say, starts with interrupting

knee-jerk political alignments to focus on issues.

In Michigan, WeListen’s approach is so in

demand that club members get called to lead

discussions for other groups (recently on

immigration at the university’s Osher Lifelong

Learning Institute and at Ann Arbor’s Greenhills

School).

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the University of Michigan, beside the “check in” screenfor a session on the death penalty. Laura Pappano, for TheHechinger Report

“We go into theconversationsassuming we allwant the samethings, like safetyand freedom. Ithas changed how Italk to people onthe left. I havemade a lot offriends.”Kate Westa, co-president of theWeListen club at the University ofMichigan

Sarah Wagner, graduate program

coordinator in the psychology

department at the university, had

attended WeListen sessions as the only

staffer among undergraduates before she organized, last

April, a version for faculty and staff. About 50 people now

meet at lunchtime every other month.

“Sometimes you find that you have the same idea as

someone else who is a far-right Republican,” said Wagner,

who leans left and has become friends with people she

would not have otherwise gotten to know. She wondered

aloud: “Would we have had this conversation if we started

with our political affiliation?”

It’s a fair question. Being forced to explain her views, said

Wagner, has made her think deeply about what she believes

and why. She’s also heard perspectives she would not

otherwise encounter. During a conversation on mass incarceration,

she said, “at my table we had six people and four had immediate

family members who had been in and out of prison throughout their

lives.”

Wagner prizes the sessions because people “get to practice the skill of

having difficult conversations.”

That’s something typically avoided, but which students must learn to

do, said Wollman, the Widener president. “We have young people at

a place in their lives where they are asking, ‘How will I deal with this

when I am in the workplace?’ ”

This is a challenging moment because just as colleges seek greater

diversity of thought and experience and “throw together all these

people who are very different” to broaden students’ exposure,

Wollman said, “our country feels like it is working against that.

Instead of bringing people together, it is dividing them and

highlighting differences.”

WeListen co-presidents Westa and Zaslavsky said participating has

changed their perceptions of their political opposites. Before, Westa

said, she saw liberals as opponents who forced “a lot of abrasive

conversations” whenever she set up a table on campus to promote

Young Americans for Freedom, a conservative group that she helps

lead. Zaslavsky admitted to thinking “people on the right were

beholden to special interests or they were thinking backwards.”

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Pressed to see how others come to beliefs, rather than just aiming to

change minds, reveals commonalities, both said. “People’s hearts are

in the right place,” said Zaslavsky.

“We go into the conversations assuming we all want the same things,

like safety and freedom,” said Westa. “It has changed how I talk to

people on the left. I have made a lot of friends.”

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