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AUV.2010-10 Agenda.doc TECHNICAL COMMITTEE ON AUTOMOTIVE and MARINE SERVICE STATIONS MEMORANDUM TO: Technical Committee on Automotive and Marine Service Stations FROM: R. P. Benedetti DATE: September 13, 2010 SUBJECT: Agenda for ROC Meeting – October 4, 2010 _________________________________________________________________________________ Ladies and Gentlemen: Attached is the Agenda for the NFPA 30A Report on Comments (ROC) meeting of the Technical Committee on Automotive and Marine Service Stations, to be held Monday, October 4, 2010, at the Westin Peachtree Plaza Hotel, Atlanta GA. As you know, this meeting is being held in conjunction with the Petroleum Equipment Institute’s Convention at the National Association of Convenience Stores Show If you have additional items for the Agenda, please bring them with you to the meeting. rpb/ cc AUV Meeting Folder AUV/NM
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Page 1: TECHNICAL COMMITTEE ON AUTOMOTIVE and MARINE … · SUBJECT: Agenda for ROC Meeting – October 4, 2010 _____ Ladies and Gentlemen: Attached is the Agenda for the NFPA 30A Report

AUV2010-10 Agendadoc

TECHNICAL COMMITTEE ON AUTOMOTIVE and MARINE SERVICE STATIONS

MEMORANDUM

TO Technical Committee on Automotive and Marine Service Stations

FROM R P Benedetti

DATE September 13 2010

SUBJECT Agenda for ROC Meeting ndash October 4 2010 _________________________________________________________________________________ Ladies and Gentlemen Attached is the Agenda for the NFPA 30A Report on Comments (ROC) meeting of the Technical Committee on Automotive and Marine Service Stations to be held Monday October 4 2010 at the Westin Peachtree Plaza Hotel Atlanta GA As you know this meeting is being held in conjunction with the Petroleum Equipment Institutersquos Convention at the National Association of Convenience Stores Show If you have additional items for the Agenda please bring them with you to the meeting rpb cc AUV Meeting Folder AUVNM

AUV2010-10 Agendadoc

TECHNICAL COMMITTEE ON AUTOMOTIVE and MARINE SERVICE STATIONS

AGENDA Technical Committee on Automotive and Marine Service Stations

Westin Peachtree Plaza Hotel Atlanta GA

Monday October 4 2010 800 AM to 500 PM

1 Call to Order 2 Introduction of Attendees Update of Committee Roster [Attachment A1] 3 Approval of Minutes of Last Meeting [Attachment A2] 4 Report of Committee Chair 5 Report of Staff Liaison

Technical Committee Scope amp Technical Committee Name [Attachment A3]

Technical Committee Membership Status [Attachment A4] - Welcome to new Committee members David Ayers National Ready Mixed Concrete Association and Bradley Steier ND State Electrical Board (alternate to Don Offerdahl) - R Benscoter Husky Corp and L Gregory ExxonMobil Have both retired Issue The committee has no direct representation from either manufacturers of dispensing equipment or the petroleum marketing industry

A2011 Document Revision Schedule [Attachment A5] 6 Report on Alternative Fuels

Status of NFPA 2 Hydrogen Technologies Code [Paul May NFPA Staff Liaison] Biofuels Biodiesel Ethanol etc [Doug Horne CVEF and others] Update of UL Work on Alternative Fuels [Al Ramirez UL] Diesel Exhaust Fluid (DEF) [Bob Renkes PEI]

7 Report on Tentative Interim Amendment (TIA) 985 [Bob Benedetti Staff Liaison] [Attachment A6]

Need to Draft a Committee Comment to Proposal 30A-19 Need to Draft a Revised TIA 985

AUV2010-10 Agendadoc

8 Review and Action on Comments on the Report on Proposals (ROP) for NFPA 30A-2012

[Attachment A7] The first page of Attachment No A7 is the Log Number Sort List The second page is the Section

Number Sort List with the comments listed in sectionparagraph order 9 Recent Correspondence [Attachment A8] 10 Review of Previous Correspondence [Attachment A9) 11 Other Old Business

Potential Static Electricity Hazard During Marine Fueling [Attachment A10] 12 New Business [NONE] 13 Schedule Next Meeting(s) 14 Adjournment

AUV2009-04 Minutesdoc

TECHNICAL COMMITTEE ON AUTOMOTIVE and MARINE SERVICE STATIONS

MINUTES of MEETING Technical Committee on Automotive and Marine Service Stations

Hilton St Petersburg Bayfront Hotel St Petersburg FL

January 20 - 21 2010

I Attendance mdash via web conference service R Benscoter Husky Corporation

C A Burns Oscar W Larson Company B C Donovan STICO Mutual Insurance Company T J Forsythe Hughes Associates Inc L Gregory ExxonMobil (Rep American Petroleum Institute)

C N Harding Tyco Fire Suppression amp Building Products (Rep Fire Equipment Manufacturersrsquo Association)

J P Hartmann John Hartmann amp Associates J P Higgins Mutual Service Office D B Horne DBHorne LLC (Rep Clean Vehicle Education Foundation) M T Kadri Michigan Department of Environmental Quality D R Offerdahl North Dakota State Electrical Board A M Ramirez Underwriters Laboratories Inc CHAIR

R N Renkes Petroleum Equipment Institute R A Riegel Underwriters Laboratories Inc

J R Rocco Sage Risk Solutions LLC (Rep Petroleum Marketers Association of America) R C Schultz University of Texas at Austin ndash Fire Prevention Services C A Sunderhaus OPW Fueling Components

K J Wolf Intertek Testing Services A R Zajac Michigan Department of Environmental Quality

R P Benedetti NFPA STAFF LIAISON Minutes 1 The meeting was called to order at 815 AM on Wednesday January 21 2010 by Technical

Committee Chair Al Ramirez 2 Attendees introduced themselves and necessary corrections were made to the Technical Committee

roster The corrected roster will be posted to the ECommittee SharePoint page 3 The Minutes of the previous meeting (National Fire Protection Association Quincy MA) were

unanimously approved with minor corrections 4 Technical Committee Chair Al Ramirez briefed the Technical Committee on the meeting objectives

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ATTACHMENT No A2

AUV2009-04 Minutesdoc

5 The Staff Liaison presented the following report

Technical Committee Scope amp Technical Committee Name At the April 2009 meeting the Technical Committee reviewed but did not act on proposed changes to the Technical Committeersquos Scope statement A slightly amended version of the April Proposal was presented The Technical Committee made additional changes and directed the Staff Liaison to circulate the proposed new scope statement to letter ballot of the committee then to submit the new scope statement to the NFPA Standards Council for approval

Technical Committee Membership Status The Staff Liaison reported on changes to the membership of the committee A request was made that the Staff Liaison include definitions of the interest categories

A2011 Document Revision Schedule The Staff Liaison reviewed the deadlines of the 2011 document revision schedule

6 Report on Alternative Fuels

Status of NFPA 2 Hydrogen Technologies Code NFPA 2 has been published in the Fall 2010 Report on Proposals (ROP) with a Comment Closing Deadline of March 5 2010 Andrea Zajac reported on the latest activities involving NFPA 2 The Technical Committee expressed its concern that any extractions of text from NFPA 30A be done correctly

Biofuels Biodiesel Ethanol etc Doug Horne reported that proposals have been submitted to the International Fire Code to better define E85 He noted that research shows that there can be ignitable mixtures in the head space of tanks with intermediate blends Bob Renkes reported on ULSD effects on fuel system eg corrosive effects on metal components

Update of UL Work on Alternative Fuels Al Ramirez reported on Underwriters Laboratoriesrsquo progress on listing system components for use with intermediate ethanolgasoline blends Bob Renkes raised the issue would use of legacy equipment with fuels for which equipment wasnrsquot listed violate NFPA 30A

Diesel Exhaust Fluid (DEF) Bob Renkes reported that PEIRP1100-10 Recommended Practices for the Storage and Dispensing of Diesel Exhaust Fluid (DEF) has been published

7 The Technical Committee heard reports from the following Task Groups

Maintenance amp Inspection Fire Protection amp Control Cross-References to NFPA 30 Dispenser Disconnects

8 The Technical Committee completed final changes to its proposed new Table 831 for NFPA 30A to

ensure correlation with the table incorporated into the 2011 edition of NFPA 70reg National Electrical Codereg There might need to be some additional changes to address sumps and pits

9 The Technical Committee reviewed and acted on all remaining proposals to amend NFPA 30Aand

developed Committee Proposals as necessary The Technical Committee directed the Staff Liaison to circulate the Report on Proposals (ROP) for letter ballot of the Technical Committee

10 The Technical Committee reviewed the proposed Chapter 12 rewrite and decided to include the

rewrite as a rejected Committee Proposal to elicit public comment 11 The Technical Committee reviewed recent correspondence and determined that there was no action

necessary

AUV2009-04 Minutesdoc

12 Under ldquoOther Old Businessrdquo the Technical Committee reviewed the following two issues and determined that no action was necessary

Definition of ldquoAdequate Ventilationrdquo Proper Classification of Repair Garage

13 The Technical Committee reviewed the following items of new business

Inquiry on Scope and Application of NFPA 30A The Technical Committee points out that portable equipment is not within the scope of NFPA 30A

Inconsistency Between NFPA 30A and NFPA 70 Larry Gregory agreed to propose a change to NFPA 70reg National Electrical Codereg

Area Classification for Kiosks on Islands The Technical Committee determined that no action was necessary

Potential Static Electricity Hazard During Marine Fueling The Technical Committee determined that this issue was outside its scope

An Experimental and Modeling Study of the Flammability of Fuel Tank Headspace Vapors from High Ethanol Content Fuels ndash NRELSR-540-44040 October 2008 This report was brought to the attention of the committee by Doug Horne The link to the report is httpwwwnrelgovfy09osti44040pdf

14 The Technical Committee agreed to schedule its next meeting for October 4 2010 in

Atlanta GA to be held in conjunction with the Petroleum Equipment Institutersquos convention 15 The meeting adjourned at 300 PM on January 21 2010

AUV Revised Scope Statement2010-01-06doc

TECHNICAL COMMITTEE ON AUTOMOTIVE and MARINE SERVICE STATIONS

SCOPE STATEMENT

This Committee shall have primary responsibility for documents on safeguarding against the fire and explosion hazards associated with the general storage handling and dispensing of flammable and combustible liquids and gaseous motor fuels at motor fuel dispensing facilities service stations and with related activities such as operation inspection maintenance and repair of dispensing system components and dispensing gaseous fuels This committee shall also have primary responsibility for documents on construction control of fire hazards ventilation fire protection and maintenance of repair facilities garages This committee shall not have responsibility for the dispensing of gaseous fuels at facilities where no liquid fuels are dispensed including residential occupancies ie dispensing of gaseous fuels as covered by NFPA 2 Hydrogen Technologies Code and NFPA 52 Vehicular Fuel Systems Code Responsible for NFPA 30A Code for Motor Fuel Dispensing Facilities and Repair Garages

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ATTACHMENT No A3

AUV Committee Balancedoc - 8122010

TECHNICAL COMMITTEE ON AUTOMOTIVE and MARINE SERVICE STATIONS

COMMITTEE MEMBERSHIP BALANCE SUMMARY

AUV-AAA NFPA 30A

Members 24 M 7 (29) U 5 (21) Voting Alternates 0 IM 3 (13) LC 0 Alternates 7 RT 2 (8) E 3 (13)

Non-Voting 2 I 2 (8) SE 2 (8) Emeritus 1

Task Group 0 Hold List 0 Balance OK (CNG equipment 1 dispensing nozzles 0 dispensing system components 2 fire suppression equipment 1 LNG dispensing systems 1 storage tanks 2) (fleet operators 2 independent retail 1 lube-only facilities 1 major retail 0 marine facilities 1) (fire suppression systems 1 fuel dispensing systems 1 LPG dispensing systems 1)

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ATTACHMENT No A4

MASTER SCHEDULE2011 Annual Cycledoc

2011 ANNUAL REVISION CYCLE

PROCESS STAGE PROCESS STEP

DATES FOR TC

DATES FOR TCC

COMPLETION

DATE

VERIFY MATERIAL

IN FILE 1 PRELIMINARY 10 Notification of intent to enter cycle 71009 71009

2 REPORT ON PROPOSALS

(ROP)

21 Proposal closing date 112409 112409

22 Final date for ROP meeting 22610 2510 23 Final date for mailing TC ballots 31910 21910 24 Receipt of (TC) ballots by staff liaison 42310 31210 25 Receipt of TC recirculation ballots 5710 31910 26 Final date for TCC meeting 41610 27 Final date for mailing TCC ballots 42310 28 Receipt of TCC ballots 51410 29 Receipt of TCC recirculation ballots 52110 210 Final copy (w ballot statements) to Secretary Standards Council

51410 52810

211 Completion of Reports 52110 6410 212 ROP Published and Posted 62510 62510

3 REPORT ON

COMMENTS (ROC)

31 Comment closing date 9310 9310 32 Final date for ROC meeting 11510 10810 33 Final date for mailing TC ballots 111910 102210 34 Receipt of (TC) ballots by staff liaison 12310 111210 35 Receipt of TC recirculation ballots 121010 111910 36 Final date for TCC meeting 121710 37 Final date for mailing TCC ballots 122210 38 Receipt of TCC ballots 11411 39 Receipt of TCC recirculation ballots 12111 310 Final copy (w ballot statements) to Secretary Standards Council

122210 12811

311 Completion of Reports 11411 2411 312 ROC Published and Posted 22511 22511

TECH SESSION PREPARATION amp ISSUANCE OF

CONSENT DOCUMENTS

41 Notice of Intent to Make a Motion (NITMAM) Closing Date

4811 4811

42 Posting of Filed NITMAM 5611 5611 43 Council Issuance Date for Consent Documents 53111 53111 44 Appeal Closing Date for Consent Documents 61511 61511

TECHNICAL SESSION

50 Association Meeting for Documents with Certified Amending Motions

612-1611 612-1611

APPEALS amp ISSUANCE OF DOCUMENTS

WCAMS

61 Appeal closing date for Documents with Certified Amending Motions

7611 7611

62 Council issuance for Documents with Certified Amending Motions

8411 8411

Proposal Closing Dates may vary according to documents and schedules for Revision Cycles may change Please check the NFPA website (wwwnfpaorg) for the most up-to-date information on proposal closing dates and schedules

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ATTACHMENT No A5

TIA 9852010-06-15 ndash IFMA Counterproposaldoc

Proposed TIA to NFPA 30A-2008 1 Add a new definition of ldquoalcohol blended motor fuelrdquo to read as follows

ldquo33X Alcohol Blended Motor Fuel Motor fuel consisting of a blend of alcohol such as ethanol and gasoline with an alcohol concentration greater than 10 percent by volume including those with nominally 85 percent ethanol 15 percent unleaded gasoline (E85)rdquo

2 Revise 632 to read

ldquo632 Dispensing devices for Class I and II liquids shall be listed for the specific fuels being dispensed A632 See UL 87 Standard for Power-Operated Dispensing Devices for Petroleum Products or UL SU87A Outline for Power-Operated Dispensing Devices for Gasoline and GasolineEthanol Blends with Nominal Concentrations up to 85 Percent 6321 Existing listed or labeled dispensing devices shall be permitted to be modified provided that the modifications made are ldquoListed by Reportrdquo by an approved testing laboratory or as otherwise approved by the authority having jurisdiction Modification proposals shall contain a description of the component parts used in the modification and the recommended methods of installation on specific dispensing devices Modification proposals shall be made available to the authority having jurisdiction upon request 6322 Existing dispensing devices shall be listed for the specific fuel or fuels being dispensed 63221 Where existing dispensing devices are not listed for a specific fuel or fuels see Section 15 Equivalency A6322 1 The authority having jurisdiction by virtue of Section 15 may approve the use of existing equipment for fuels for which no listing is available Where the authority having jurisdiction approves the use of an existing dispensing device or existing related dispensing equipment for use with alcohol blended motor fuels the approval of the dispensing device and related dispensing equipment may be based on the following (1) The dispensing device and related dispensing equipment should be listed for dispensing of gasoline motor fuel and (2) The dispensing device and related dispensing equipment should be inspected by a person who is knowledgeable in the operation of the equipment to verify that it is in proper working order and is not leaking as described in (a) and (b) (a) A visual inspection of the fuel dispenser and its associated hanging hardware should be conducted ldquoHanging hardwarerdquo includes the following components that might be present hose nozzle valve hose breakaway valve and hose swivel Inspections should be conducted at least weekly and should be documented Documentation should be available for review by the authority having jurisdiction upon request (b) An inspection of the fuel-dispensing equipment that is located inside the dispenser cabinet should be conducted The interior of the dispenser cabinet should

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ATTACHMENT No A6

TIA 9852010-06-15 ndash IFMA Counterproposaldoc

be inspected for signs of leaks damage corrosion or weathering with particular attention to the sump area and joints and castings of fuel handling components The inspection should be conducted at least monthly and should be documented Documentation should be available for review by the authority having jurisdiction upon request (c) If a leak is discovered use of the affected dispensing device should be discontinued until repairs can be made The authority having jurisdiction is provided with the ability to approve for use with mid-level alcohol blended motor fuels (eg E15 15 percent ethanol 85 percent unleaded gasoline) dispensing devices and related dispensing equipment currently listed for use with E10 (10 percent ethanol 90 percent unleaded gasoline) Approval of the dispensing device or related dispensing equipment for use with alcohol blended motor fuel requires that the dispensing device and related dispensing equipment be listed for use with E10 and that periodic inspection be conducted to verify that the equipment is functioning properly Useful forms for documenting inspections can be found in PEIRP500-05 Recommended Practices for Inspection and Maintenance of Motor Fuel Dispensing Equipment and are also available at wwwpeiorgrp500 In addition the authority having jurisdiction may take into account other factors including actual field experience evidence of compatibility (eg manufacturerrsquos declaration) and functionality by government agencies trade associations and testing laboratories Underwriters Laboratories Inc has listed dispensing devices and related dispensing equipment for alcohol blended motor fuels up to E10 and more recently has begun listing dispensing devices for alcohol blended motor fuels up to E25 (25 percent ethanol 75 percent unleaded gasoline) However the majority of existing dispensing devices and related dispensing equipment currently in service at motor fuel dispensing facilities are not listed for use with alcohol blended motor fuels with more than 10 percent ethanol While higher alcohol blended motor fuels (eg E85 85 percent ethanol 15 percent unleaded gasoline) are typically sold as an alternative to E10 the mid-level alcohol blended motor fuels such as E15 if approved by the U S Environmental Protection Agency might likely become a replacement for current motor fuels either through state or federal mandates or because of supply chain restrictions In order to maintain the supply of motor fuel this might require the sale of mid-level blends through the existing dispensing devices and related dispensing equipmentrdquo

3 Revise 651 to read

ldquo651 Listed hose assemblies shall be used to dispense fuels shall be listed for the specific fuels being dispensed Hose length at automotive motor fuel dispensing facilities shall not exceed 55 m (18 ft) Where hose length at marine motor fuel dispensing facilities exceeds 55 m (18 ft) the hose shall be secured so as to protect it from damage (See A63221)rdquo

4 Revise 661 to read

ldquo661 An automatic-closing-type hose nozzle valve listed in accordance with UL 842 Standard for Valves for Flammable Fluids and listed for the specific fuels being dispensed with or without latch-open device shall be provided on island-type dispensing devices used to dispense Class I or Class II liquids (See A63221)rdquo

5 Revise 681 and 682 to read

TIA 9852010-06-15 ndash IFMA Counterproposaldoc

ldquo681 Dispensing devices that incorporate vapor recovery shall be listed for the specific fuels being dispensed (See A63221) 682 Hose nozzle valves used on vapor recovery systems shall be listed for the purpose and for the specific fuels being dispensed (See A63221)rdquo

6 Add a new entry to Table B1 Typical Flammable and Combustible Liquids Found at Motor Fuel Dispensing Facilities to read as follows

ldquoAlcohol Blended Motor Fuel -40 degF ndash 55 degF Class IB varies nardquo A6321 proposed 6231 and its annex all becomes annex material gtgtgt New lead-in Where modifications are made 2 Add a new Subsection 623 and an accompanying annex text to read as follows A6322 Where dispensing devices and related dispensing equipment including dispensers hoses nozzles breakaway fittings swivels flexible connectors dispenser emergency shutoff valves and vapor recovery systems and pumps are propose for use for alcohol blended motor fuels they should be listed Where there is currently no listing see 15 for equivalencies Section 15 permits the authority having jurisdiction to approve non-listed components for the specific for the specific fuel being dispensed Where the authority having jurisdiction approves the use of a dispensing device or related dispensing equipment for use with alcohol blended motor fuels the approval of the dispensing device and related dispensing equipment could include the following (1) The dispensing device and related dispensing equipment shall be listed for dispensing of gasoline motor fuel and (2) The dispensing device and related dispensing equipment shall be periodically inspected by a person who is knowledgeable in the operation of the equipment to verify that it is in proper working order and is not leaking as described in (a) and (b) (a) A visual inspection of the fuel dispenser and its associated hanging hardware shall be conducted ldquoHanging hardwarerdquo shall include the following components that might be present hose nozzle valve hose breakaway valve and hose swivel Inspections shall be conducted at least weekly and shall be documented Documentation shall be available for review by the authority having jurisdiction upon request (b) An inspection of the fuel-dispensing equipment that is located inside the dispenser cabinet shall be conducted The interior of the dispenser cabinet shall be inspected for signs of leaks damage corrosion or weathering with particular attention to the sump area and joints and castings of fuel handling components The inspection shall be conducted at least monthly and shall be documented Documentation shall be available for review by the authority having jurisdiction upon request NEEDS TO TELL WHAT TO DO BEYOND MERE DOCUMENTATION ALSO NEED TO REPLACE ldquoPERIODICrdquo WITH FIRM TIME A623 See UL SU87A Outline for Power-Operated Dispensing Devices for Gasoline and GasolineEthanol Blends with Nominal Concentrations up to 85 Percent

TIA 9852010-06-15 ndash IFMA Counterproposaldoc

A6231 The authority having jurisdiction is provided with the ability to approve for use with mid-level alcohol blended motor fuels (eg E15 15 percent ethanol 85 percent unleaded gasoline) dispensing devices and related dispensing equipment currently listed for use with E10 (10 percent ethanol 90 percent unleaded gasoline) Approval of the dispensing device or related dispensing equipment for use with alcohol blended motor fuel requires that the dispensing device and related dispensing equipment be listed for use with E10 and that periodic inspection be conducted to verify that the equipment is functioning properly Useful forms for documenting inspections can be found in PEIRP500-05 Recommended Practices for Inspection and Maintenance of Motor Fuel Dispensing Equipment and are also available at wwwpeiorgrp500 In addition the authority having jurisdiction may take into account other factors including actual field experience evidence of compatibility (eg manufacturerrsquos declaration) and functionality by government agencies trade associations and testing laboratories Underwriters Laboratories Inc has listed dispensing devices and related dispensing equipment for alcohol blended motor fuels up to E10 and more recently has begun listing dispensing devices for alcohol blended motor fuels up to E25 (25 percent ethanol 75 percent unleaded gasoline) However the majority of existing dispensing devices and related dispensing equipment currently in service at motor fuel dispensing facilities are not listed for use with alcohol blended motor fuels with more than 10 percent ethanol While higher alcohol blended motor fuels (eg E85 85 percent ethanol 15 percent unleaded gasoline) are typically sold as an alternative to E10 the mid-level alcohol blended motor fuels such as E15 if approved by the U S Environmental Protection Agency might likely become a replacement for current motor fuels either through state or federal mandates or because of supply chain restrictions In order to maintain the supply of motor fuel this might require the sale of mid-level blends through the existing dispensing devices and related dispensing equipmentrdquo

Comm LogCommAction

TechComm Section

Sort Listing

Seq

1 4363- ( )30A- AUV-AAA A2011

2 544 and 642- ( )30A- AUV-AAA A2011

3 Table 831- ( )30A- AUV-AAA A2011

4 33 Various Definitions (New)- ( )30A- AUV-AAA A2011

5 92- ( )30A- AUV-AAA A2011

6 233- ( )30A- AUV-AAA A2011

7 11721 (New)- ( )30A- AUV-AAA A2011

8 623 (New)- ( )30A- AUV-AAA A2011

9 Figure 831(B)- ( )30A- AUV-AAA A2011

Page 1A2011Cycle

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Comm LogCommAction

TechComm Section

Sort Listing

Seq

6 233- ( )30A- AUV-AAA A2011

4 33 Various Definitions (New)- ( )30A- AUV-AAA A2011

1 4363- ( )30A- AUV-AAA A2011

2 544 and 642- ( )30A- AUV-AAA A2011

8 623 (New)- ( )30A- AUV-AAA A2011

3 Table 831- ( )30A- AUV-AAA A2011

9 Figure 831(B)- ( )30A- AUV-AAA A2011

5 92- ( )30A- AUV-AAA A2011

7 11721 (New)- ( )30A- AUV-AAA A2011

Page 1A2011Cycle

Report on Comments ndash June 2011 NFPA 30A_______________________________________________________________________________________________30A- Log 6

_______________________________________________________________________________________________John F Bender Underwriters Laboratories Inc

30A-6Revise text as follows

Underwriters Laboratories Inc 333 Pfingsten Road Northbrook IL 60062-2096UL 87 Standard for Power-Operated Dispensing Devices for Petroleum Products 2001 Revised 2008ANSIUL 842 Standard for Valves for Flammable Fluids 2007 Revised 2010UL 2080 Standard for Fire Resistant Tanks for Flammable and Combustible Liquids 2000ANSIUL 2085 Standard for Protected Aboveground Tanks for Flammable and Combustible Liquids 1997 Revised

1999UL 2245 Standard for Below-Grade Vaults for Flammable Liquid Storage Tanks 2006

Updated referenced standards to most recent revisions Add ANSI approval designation to ANSIUL842 and ANSIUL 2085

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Report on Comments ndash June 2011 NFPA 30A_______________________________________________________________________________________________30A- Log 4

_______________________________________________________________________________________________Marshall A Klein Marshall A Klein amp Associates Inc

30A-7Revise text to read as follows

331 Basement Basement For the purposes of this code a story of a building or structure having one-half or more ofits height below ground level and to which access for fire-fighting purposes is restricted [302008] Any story of a buildingwholly or partly below grade plane that is not considered the first story above grade plane (Also see 33X ldquoFirst StoryAbove Grade Planerdquo 33Y ldquoGrade Planerdquo and 33Z ldquoStoryrdquo) [5000 2009]33X First Story Above Grade Plane Any story having its finished floor surface entirely above grade plane except

that a basement shall be considered as a first story above grade plane where the finished surface of the floor above thebasement is (1) more than 6 ft (1830 mm) above grade plane or (2) more than 12 ft (3660 mm) above the finished levelat any point (See also 33Z ldquoStoryrdquo) [5000 2009]33Z Story The portion of a building located between the upper surface of a floor and the upper surface of the floor or

roof next above [5000 2009]33Y Grade Plane A reference plane representing the average of the finished ground level adjoining the building at all

exterior walls When the finished ground level slopes down from the exterior walls the grade plane is established by thelowest points within the area between the building and the lot line or when the lot line is more than 6 ft (1830 mm) fromthe building between the building and a point 6 ft (1830 mm) from the building (See also 33W ldquoFinished Ground Level(Graderdquo) [5000 2009]33W Finished Ground Level (Grade) The level of the finished ground (earth or other surface on ground) (See also33Y ldquoGrade Planerdquo) [5000 2009]

The Committeersquos substantiation for this Committee Proposal was ldquoThis definition is the preferreddefinition from the NFPA Glossary of Terms Changing the secondary definition to the preferred definition complies withthe Glossary of Terms Projectrdquo Also the Committeersquos statement said in part ldquohellipThe key issue relative to NFPA 30A issafe access to and evacuation from the basement area by emergency responders during an emergencyrdquo

Since the first edition of the NFPA 5000 Building Code the NFPA 30A Committee has attempted to be in correlationwith NFPA 5000 and the other Model Building Code in the the United States IBC The dispensing facilities and repairgarage buildings constructed under the NFPA 30A are also required to comply with the local building code which will beeither NFPA 5000 or IBC The proposed definition for ldquobasementrdquo that is taken from NFPA 30 is more suited for thelarger flammable and combustible types of facilities built under NFPA 30 not the service centersrepair garages builtunder NFPA 30A and the building codes

NFPA 30A should stay with its present position to correlate with the definition for a ldquobasementrdquo with NFPA 5000ldquoBuilding Construction and safety Coderdquo and not replace this definition with the one that is in NFPA 30 ldquoFlammable andCombustible Liquids Coderdquo

The term ldquobasementrdquo is only used in the NFPA 30A Code in Section 423 that deals with ignitable vapors in abasement or pit and Section 746 that applies when sprinklers are required to be installed in the basement of a majorrepair garage The two NFPA 30A sections on basements relate more to the application of the requirements in NFPA5000 and IBC than to the requirements in NFPA 30 ldquoFlammable and Combustible Liquids Coderdquo As I have notedabove during the development of the NFPA 5000 Building Code the NFPA 30A Committee was very careful tocorrelate its requirements with NFPA 5000 NFPA 101 amp IBC so that there would be minimum conflicts in theapplication of the requirements of NFPA 30A with these other Codes that greatly impact the design and construction ofMotor Fuel Dispensing Facilities and Repair Garages The definition of ldquobasementrdquo is critically important forbuilding design and should be correlated with the building codes used throughout the US and we should not use adifferent definition for basement that would cause confusion and cost in the design and application of the NFPA 30Arequirements where NFPA 5000 NFPA 101 or IBC Codes are also adopted

I have also included the addition of the definitions of ldquoFirst Story Above Grade Planerdquo ldquoStoryrdquo ldquoGrade Planerdquo andldquoFinished Ground Level (Grade)rdquo from NFPA 5000 to provide complete correlation on these building definitions withNFPA 5000 and the IBC For individuals using NFPA 30A that are only used to working with NFPA 30 these definitions

2Printed on 9132010

Report on Comments ndash June 2011 NFPA 30Amay seem like overkill but to the great majority of code officials designers and owners of these types of dispensingfacilities and repair garages correlation of these terms with NFPA 5000 and IBC are critical to prevent major conflictsdelays and cost increases in interpretations and applications of code requirements between the building departmentsand fire departments

In summation based on the two sections in NFPA 30A that cover a ldquobasementrdquo requirement it serves the public interestbetter to use the ldquobasementrdquo definition and its related building definitions from NFPA 5000 to properly correlate with themodel buildings codes not NFPA 30

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Report on Comments ndash June 2011 NFPA 30A_______________________________________________________________________________________________30A- Log 1

_______________________________________________________________________________________________Alex Ralston Petcon Inc

NARevise text to read as follows

Means shall be provided to sound an audible alarm when the liquid level in the tank reaches 90 percent of capacityMeans shall also be provided either to automatically stop the flow of liquid into the tank when the liquid level reaches 98percent capacity or to restrict the flow of liquid into the tank to a maximum flow rate of 95L min (25 gpm) when theliquid level in the tank reaches 95 percent capacityThe federal underground storage tank rules state that means shall be provided to stop the flow of liquid into the tank

when the liquid reaches 95 percent capacity or restrict the flow into the tank when the liquid level reaches 90 percentcapacity

None given

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Report on Comments ndash June 2011 NFPA 30A_______________________________________________________________________________________________30A- Log 2

_______________________________________________________________________________________________Alex Ralston Petcon Inc

NARevise text to read as follows

On remote pressure pumping systems each pump shall have installed on the discharge side a listed leak detectiondevice that will provide an audible or visible indication if the piping and dispensing devices are not liquid tight Replace with device that will either restrict the flow of product to the dispenser or shut-off the flow of product to

indicate if the piping and dispensing devices are liquid tightThe explanation attempts to explain the federal underground storage tank regulations however the

regulation that provides for an audible or visible alarm relates to overfill prevention in federal regulations not leakdetectionThe regulations on leak detection for pressurized piping in the explanation are correct but if youll note nowhere in the

explanation is audible or visual alarms mentioned

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Report on Comments ndash June 2011 NFPA 30A_______________________________________________________________________________________________30A- Log 8

_______________________________________________________________________________________________Robert Bourke Northeastern Regional Fire Code Development Committee

30A-42Revise to read 623 Fuel-dispensing systems including dispensers hoses nozzleshelliphelliphellip

blended motor fuels shall be listed or approved for the specific purposeThis requirement should only be stating that the equipment is listed for the specific purpose

ldquoApprovedrdquo by definition means ldquoacceptable to the AHJrdquoToo often a Standard may misuse the word ldquoapprovedrdquo in order to not exclude other listing organizations that publish

its list in a document that they refer to as an ldquoApproval Guiderdquo Regardless the document is still a listing

6Printed on 9132010

Report on Comments ndash June 2011 NFPA 30A_______________________________________________________________________________________________30A- Log 3

_______________________________________________________________________________________________David B Wechsler The Dow Chemical Company

30A-34Revise and add new sentences shown under 831 and A831 and modify Table 831 as

indicated831 Table 831 shall be used to delineate and classify areas for the purposes of installing electrical wiring and

electrical utilization equipment (See also Figure 831) WARNING The US National Electrical Code has differentequipment and installation requirements from other International Standards Therefore for example equipment used inEurope may not be acceptable for installation in the USA831 The designation and decision installation and use of electrical equipment for Classes and Divisions in

hazardous (classified) locations are defined Article 500 501 and 504 of NFPA 70 National Electrical Code Thedesignation and design installation and use of electrical equipment for Classes and Zones in hazardous (classified)locations are defined in Article 505 and 504 of NFPA 70 National Electrical Code The designation and designinstallation and use of electrical equipment in lsquoZonesrsquo Zone 0 Zone 1 and Zone 2 are addressed in other internationalstandardsWithin Table 831 add a new column titled ldquoZones and copy the information from the Class I Zone column into this

new columnAlternatively to all of the above remove the ldquoZonesrdquo column completely from Table 831

While the stated intent of this proposal is understood as being to try and deal with the internationalnature of applying NFPA 30A there are problems with the approach presented by a simple extraction from the NECFirst as presented the new column only addresses the US Zone methodology The US Zone methodology for

flammable vapor gases liquids and combustible vapors and liquids is identified by the terms lsquoClass I Zone 0rsquo lsquoClass IZone 1rsquo and lsquoClass I Zone 2rsquo However under the IEC or ATEX (aka Europe International) the terms are simply lsquoZone0rsquo lsquoZone 1rsquo or lsquoZone 2rsquo Therefore the table revision is not correct for international useSecond this TIA and proposal was to lsquoincorporate the (European) Zone System of designating hazardous (classified)

locations and the allowable wiring methods and electrical utilization devices that can be used in themrsquo However the USNEC is not an international code Thus while the US NEC Article 505 does permit the use of the Class I Zonemethodology adding this column in NFPA 30A does not address the more complex nature of the design and installationproblems associated with Zone certified equipment in the US The NEC under Article 5059 Equipment provides for theuse of only AEx equipment as may be seen for example under paragraph ldquo(2) Zone Equipment Equipment meeting oneor more of the protection techniques described in 5058 shall be marked with all of the following in the order shown(1) Class(2) Zone(3) Symbol ldquoAExrdquo(4) Protection technique(s) in accordance with Table 5059(C)(2)(4)(5) Applicable gas classification group(s) in accordance with Table 9(C)(1)(2)Without adding additional text usersinspectors etc may think using Zones is just like using the Division methodology

This is not true and equipment not otherwise permitted under the US NEC may be installed because of the impliedactions currently reflected in this proposal This is a significant issue

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Report on Comments ndash June 2011 NFPA 30A_______________________________________________________________________________________________30A- Log 9

_______________________________________________________________________________________________Donald R Offerdahl North Dakota State Electrical Board

30A-36Insert figure for 831(B)

Insert Artwork Figure 831(A) and 831(B) Here

Proposal 30A-36 should have been accepted in principal these types of storage tanks and dispensersare widely used in farms construction sites and business fleet operations

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Report on Comments ndash June 2011 NFPA 30A_______________________________________________________________________________________________30A- Log 5

_______________________________________________________________________________________________Mindy Wang Ampco Safety Tools

30A-39Not proposing new text Please see comment in Substantiation

Although procedures for cleanup of spills is not within the scope of NFPA 30A we feel compelled toaddress API 2214 referenced by the Committee Information presented below shows API 2214 is misleading andundermines safe work practices In fact API 2214 conflicts with OSHA regulations Accredited Standards Developerrsquosstandards and safe work practices FM Approvals LLC formerly Factory Mutual Research Corporation (FM) is an international organization recognized

by the US government as a Nationally Recognized Testing Laboratory (NRTL) for scientific research and productcertification Product approval from a NRTL assures that products meet consensus-based standards of safety to providethe assurance required by OSHA that these products are safe for use in the United States workplace FM ApprovalStandard 7910 Spark Resistant Tools is used as guidance to evaluate tools intended for use in environments wherethere is a risk of ignition of flammable materials dusts or vapors resulting from sparks created by iron and steel handtools These tools prevent the ignition of flammable materials dusts or vapors by mechanical sparks created by the useof iron and steel hand tools slipping or striking a surface American Petroleum Institute (API) Publication 2214contradicts NRTL research and product certification as evidence in FM Approvals granted for spark resistance toolsFM has conducted tests of Ampco Safety Tools as covered in Report Job Identification No IN4A0AF in accordancewith the requirements of Safety Tools Approval Test Procedure Class 7910 and test results show

Sparks created from steel plates ignited carbon disulfide saturated pads eight of eight tests ethyl ether pads fiveof eight tests and naphtha VMampP four of eight tests

No sparks were observed and no ignition of the flammable liquids mentioned above from approved Ampco SafetyTools Other investigations also contradict APIrsquos conclusion on non-sparking tools A paper published in the Fire Protection

Journal ldquoThe Danger of Incendive Sparksrdquo stated that after APIrsquos conclusion on ldquonon-sparkingrdquo tools Institute ofPetroleum sought the advice of the Fire Research Board Committee on Industrial Fires and Explosion This committeecame to certain conclusions one of which was ldquoUntilhellipevidence is obtained to show that the impact of steel hand toolson steel is safe it is advisable to use non-sparking tools in situations where flammable atmospheres are unavoidablerdquo The NFPA Fire Protection Handbook 20th edition published in January 2008 does not support the conclusion that

API 2214 represents In fact many NFPA codes the use of ldquonon-sparkingrdquo tools in flammable atmospheresAccording to NFPA Fire Protection Handbook ldquoWhen flammable and combustible liquids are stored or handled theliquid is usually exposed to the air at some stage in the operation except where the storage is confined to sealedcontainers that are not filled or opened on the premises or where handling is in closed systems and vapor losses arerecovered Even when the storage or handling is in a closed system there is always the possibility of breaks or leakswhich permit the liquid to escape It is a to eliminate sources of ignition in places where low flashpointflammable liquids are stored handled or used even though no vapor may ordinarily be presentrdquo NFPA 921 Guide for Fire and Explosion Investigations 2008 Edition Chapter 5 Basic Fire Science Table 5711

Reported Burning and Sparking Temperature of Selected Ignition Sources under Mechanical Sparks lists a Steel tooltemperature at 2550degF When working with flammable gases liquids or vapors a potential hazard arises because of thepossibility that sparks produced by steel or iron tools can become an ignition source OSHA Flammable and Combustible Liquids regulation 29 CFR Parts 1910106(b) on tank storage paragraph

1910106(b)(6) states that precaution shall be taken to eliminate or control sources of ignitions including frictional heatand mechanical sparks to prevent the ignition of flammable vapors In OSHA regulation 29 CFR 1910146 Permit-Required Confined Spaces Appendix D Confined Space Pre-Entry

Check List non-sparking tool is listed as one type of entry equipment OSHA 29 CFR 1910146 StandardInterpretations Interpretative guidance and equipment approved for hazardous locations relative to the Permit-RequiredConfined Spaces states that ldquohellipthe standard does not prohibit entry into a permit space where a hazardous flammableatmosphere is at or above the 10 LFL For concentrations at or above 10 LFL paragraph (d) would theemployer to incorporate safe work procedures to address the flammableexplosive hazard (such as equipment approvedfor hazardous locations) in the entry plan for those spaces Electrical equipment as well as other sources of ignition(non-sparking hand tools) be considered and addressed for the hazardous atmosphererdquo OSHA regulation 29 CFR Parts 1910120 Hazardous waste operations and emergency response paragraph

1910120(j)(2)(v) requires that ldquoWhen there is a reasonable possibility of flammable atmospheres being present

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Report on Comments ndash June 2011 NFPA 30Amaterial handling equipment and hand tools shall be of the type to prevent sources of ignition EPA has identifiedsolvents such as xylene acetone ethyl acetate ethyl benzene and ethyl ether commonly used in all industries (theF-list) and discarded commercial chemical products such as acetone benzene ethyl ether and xylene (the P-list andU-list) as ignitable hazardous wastes API members such as ExxonMobil and Chevron as well as others in the petroleum industry such as Valero CITGO

Petroleum Corporation Chem-Supply Pty Ltd Irving Oil Ltd Petrol Star Inc Nova Chemicals and El Paso Corporationregularly the use of ldquonon-sparkingrdquo tools under Accidental Release Measures and Handling and Storage sectionsin the MSDSrsquos for their petroleum products These companies clearly recognize the need for ldquonon-sparkingrdquo tools inworking with and around flammable materials API 2214 Section 12 Background ldquohellipthese engineers pointed out that although numerous opportunities existed for

the production of sparks from violent contact of steel objects with other steel objects there was a negligible record offires resulting from such a causerdquo On the contrary there are a number of documented incidents involving flammablevapors ignited by steel sparks from tools A few examples are as follows

OSHA inspection 300965795 an employee in the process of cleaning loose material from drill piping with ametal hammer While striking the pipe with a hammer an explosion occurred Employee was killed in the explosion onsite

OSHA inspection 2272953 two employees were assigned the job of tending a 100 gallon (water jacket) reactorkettle of methyl methacrylate in the mixing room Employee 1 used a metal wrench (visegrips) to pry open the cover ofa kettle The wrench handle struck the angle iron support for the agitator motor producing a spark Employee 2noticed the spark which was immediately followed by a massive ldquofire ballrdquo Both employees were engulfed in thefireball Employee 3 came to the area to assist the other employees The investigation states that non-sparking toolswere not provided for the employees All three employees received first and second degree burns on their face armsand abdomen Employee 2 also received some third degree burns All three employees were hospitalized

OSHA inspection 124728437 Employee 1 and a coworker both maintenance mechanics were working in a 30inch by 36 inch manhole at a gas station Employee 1 was trying to change a fuel pump while the coworker watchedfrom outside the manhole Employee 1 was using an Allen wrench to loosen the bolts on the fuel pump lead when hecreated a spark that ignited the gas fumes in the manhole causing an explosion Employee 1 suffered burns to hisface hands arms and legs in the explosion and was hospitalized

OSHA inspection 111109237 Employee 1 or 3 attempted to cut a metal pipe with a metal saw whileEmployee 2 was standing on top of one of two 5000 gallon gas tanks trying to remove a tank fitting Sparks from thesaw the pipe wrench or another unknown source ignited the gas vapors which exploded Employees 1 and 3 werekilled of burns at the scene Employee 2 died at the burn center as a result of burns sustained in the explosion

OSHA inspection 102826625 Employee 1 worked for a company that cleans paints and replaces valves in LPand MAPP gas cylinders Before removing an old valve Employee 1 would open the valve to let the residual gas leakout on the loading dock Where there was a large quantity of cylinders Employee 1 would invert the cylinder so theresidual gas could vent faster Employee 1 had an accumulation of a gas and air mixture around his work area Thevapors were ignited either by a spark from the metal screwdriver he was using to open a damaged valve or by an openflame burner approximately 40 feet away There was a fire and explosion The employee sustained 2nd and 3rd degreeburns on the lower half of his body and was hospitalized

OSHA inspection 607366 an employee was sawing an airplane wing into sections with a portable powered handsaw the saw created a spark that caused an explosion of gasoline vapors in the wing fuel tank Employee 1 killed andEmployee 2 injured in explosion and was hospitalized

OSHA inspection 309178523 employer was cited for violating Section 5(a)(1) of the Occupational Safety andHealth Act of 1970 often referred to as the General Duty Clause which requires employers to furnish to each of hisemployees employment and a place of employment which are free from recognized hazards that are causing or arelikely to cause death or serious physical harm to his employees for exposing employee to an explosion hazard byopening the hydrogen tube trailer main valve without using non-sparking tools

OSHA inspection 304994304 employer was cited for violating Section 5(a)(1) of the Occupational Safety andHealth Act of 1970 violation for exposing employee to a fireexplosion hazard while performing maintenance operationson LP gas tanks with ferrous tools One feasible and acceptable abatement method to correct this hazard is toimplement the use of non- sparking toolsThe Report of the BP US Refineries independent Safety Review Panel also known as the Baker Panel Report states

that ldquoPreventing process accidents requires vigilance The passing of time without a process accident is not necessarilyan indicator that all is well and may contribute to a dangerous and growing sense of complacencyrdquo This sample ofOSHA documented events illustrates accidents do happen when proper safety measures are not taken againstmechanical sparks from steel tools as a possible ignition sourceHaving said that we appreciate the Committeersquos time and agree with the Committee that procedures for cleanup of

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Report on Comments ndash June 2011 NFPA 30Aspills is not within the scope of NFPA 30A

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Report on Comments ndash June 2011 NFPA 30A_______________________________________________________________________________________________30A- Log 7

_______________________________________________________________________________________________Robert Bourke Northeastern Regional Fire Code Development Committee

30A-19Add a new section to read 11721 Where approved by the Authority Having Jurisdiction piers

that extend more than 152 m (500 ft) in travel distance from shore shall be permitted to provide a Class I standpipe thatis installed in accordance with NFPA 14 Standard for the Installation of Standpipe and Hose Systems

The TC missed the point in the substantiation of the proposalIt was not the intent of the proposal to obtain additional flexibility of FD use over that which is provided by a Class III

standpipe system The intent of the proposal was to provide relief from the requirement where the local AHJ feels thatthe effectiveness and likelihood of occupant use of fire hoses does not justify the added risk to the occupant or theinstallation and maintenance costs associated with the requisite hose for a Class III system A Class I system would stillprovide FD fire fighting capabilities in jurisdictions where the AHJ prefers occupants to evacuate and not attempt to fightfires beyond portable fire extinguisher capability

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From Benedetti BobTo bcotnerswriorgCc Harrington Greg Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiBcc May PaulSubject Inquiry NFPA 30 amp NFPA 30ADate Thursday July 08 2010 121900 PM

Good Morning Mr Cotner Greg Harrington asked that I respond to your question about the proper use ofintermediate bulk containers Actually an intermediate bulk container is a shipping vessel that must meetrequirements and specifications of the U S Department of Transportation for shippingmaterials from Point A to Point B It is not intended to be a storage vessel althoughthe liquid contained is obviously dispensed from the vessel for use Dispensing of motor fuels is covered by NFPA 30A Code for Motor Fuel DispensingFacilities and Repair Garages NFPA 30A states in Subsection 421 421 Liquids shall be stored in the following(1) Approved closed containers that do not exceed 227 L (60 gal) capacity and arelocated outside buildings(2) Tanks or approved closed containers located inside motor fuel dispensingfacilities or repair garages(3) Aboveground tanks underground tanks and containers in accordance with therequirements of Section 43(4) Tanks supplying marine service stations in accordance with Section 112 Section 43 states the following 432 Aboveground Storage Tanks Except as modified by the provisions of thissubsection aboveground storage tanks shall meet all applicable requirements ofChapters 21 through 23 and 27 of NFPA 30 Flammable and Combustible Liquids Code So in accordance with NFPA 30A Subsection 421(3) indicates that abovegroundstorage of motor fuel must be in a tank that meets the provisions of Section 43 Thelatter in turn references the Chapters in NFPA 30 that deal with fixed storage tanks Nowhere in these chapters is there any reference to an intermediate bulk container Chapter 9 of NFPA 30 does recognize an intermediate bulk container for warehouse-type storage of Class I flammable liquids but does not anticipate continual dispensingand use One could evaluate an intermediate bulk container as a means of long-term storageand dispensing of liquids under the Equivalency clause My opinion is that an intermediate bulk container is not considered a substitute for anaboveground storage tank but this is not specifically stated in the relevant codes This issue will be added to the agendas for the Technical Committees involved Please understand that this response is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 ofNFPArsquos Regulations Governing Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon todefinitively determine compliance with any laws ordinances rules or regulations Todetermine legal compliance you should refer to the appropriate authority havingjurisdiction or seek legal advice It is not intended nor should it be relied upon toprovide professional consultation or services To determine the adequacy or safety ofany device or installation you should consult with an appropriate professional

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I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write Iwill be happy to assist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant toNFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does notnecessarily represent the official position of the NFPA or its Technical Committees Inaddition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it be relied upon to provideprofessional consultation or services cc 30IFI 30AIFI AUVNM FLCSWCNM FLCTANNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

If you have a reported fire in your home the risk of dyingdecreases by about 80 percent when sprinklers are present

wwwfiresprinklerinitiativeorgNotice The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intendedfor the exclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential andor privileged information If you arenot the intended recipient please notify Robert Benedetti immediately by replying to the message or by calling(617) 984-7433 Please delete this message and any attachments from your system Thank you

From Harrington Greg Sent Wednesday July 07 2010 350 PMTo Benedetti BobSubject FW Intermediate Bulk Containers Hi Bob Can you answer the question below Hersquos a friend of mine former inspector with San Antonio FD when Iworked down there now a safety guy at SWRI Thanks a lot --Greg

From Bill Cotner [mailtobcotnerswriorg] Sent Wednesday July 07 2010 332 PMTo Harrington GregSubject Intermediate Bulk Containers Hey Greg howrsquos the heat in Boston here it is a balmy 93 enjoying it I have a question probably out ofyour area but Irsquom sure you know who to route it to We have a group here that wants to dispense fuelfrom a stainless steel IBC into test engines I donrsquot think that is the intended use or what it has beenlisted for Can I get some guidance on this issue I appreciate anything you can do for me Bill Bill CotnerSenior Fire SpecialistEnvironmental Safety and Quality SystemsSouthwest Research InstitutePhone (210) 522-5101Fax (210) 522-5093Mobile (210) 669-7005Email bcotner swriorg

From Benedetti BobTo Ebanks DesmondCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiBcc May PaulSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Monday June 14 2010 35400 PM

Good afternoon Mr Ebanks The intent of Subsection 422 of NFPA 30A Code for Motor Fuel Dispensing Facilities and RepairGarages is that there be no direct piped connection between the aboveground storage tank inthe bulk plant and the fuel dispensing device in the motor fuel dispensing facility In my opinionthis includes any intervening underground storage tank The hazard being addressed is the potential to overfill the underground storage tank due to thestatic head of the liquid in the aboveground storage tank Please understand that this response is a personal opinion and does not constitute a FormalInterpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 of NFPArsquos RegulationsGoverning Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitively determine compliancewith any laws ordinances rules or regulations To determine legal compliance you shouldrefer to the appropriate authority having jurisdiction or seek legal advice It is not intended norshould it be relied upon to provide professional consultation or services To determine theadequacy or safety of any device or installation you should consult with an appropriateprofessional I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will behappy to assist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPARegulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarilyrepresent the official position of the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition thiscorrespondence is neither intended nor should it be relied upon to provide professional consultation orservices cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg Attend the premier event for fire life safety and electrical professionals

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From Ebanks Desmond [mailtoDesmondEbanksgovky] Sent Monday May 24 2010 940 AMTo Benedetti BobSubject bulk storage supply to motor fuel facilities Hi Bob NFPA 30A (2003) 422 gives to positions in relation to motor fuel dispensing facilities (mfdf) that I would like to havefurther clarified for Code intent please The first is that dispensing devices at the mfdf shall not be supplied by ASTs located in the bulk plant Does this implythat supply from a UST (underground storage tank) in the bulk storage facility would be acceptable or to the other extentthat even if the bulk AST supplied a loading rack which in turn supplied a UST both in the bulk facility that supplyfrom the bulk AST is still not permitted The second statement refers to any storage tank at the mfdf saying they shall not be connected by piping to bulkfacility ASTs Similarly does this imply that a UST (underground storage tank) in the bulk storage facility would beacceptable or that if the bulk tank was connected to a loading rack and the loading rack connected by non-permanentmeans to an mfdf tank that this would be permissible RegardsDes EbanksAssistant Petroleum InspectorThe Petroleum InspectorateCayman Islands GovernmentAnderson Square 4th floorPO Box 31213Grand CaymanKY1-1205Cayman IslandsOffice 345 244 3458Mobile 345 925 3317Fax 345 949 0920Email desmondebanksgovky

From Benedetti BobTo Shriniwas BodhankarCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiBcc May PaulSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Monday June 14 2010 50100 PM

Good day Sir There has been no discussion by the Technical Committee on Automotive and Marine ServiceStations to alter the separation distances in Table 4324 of NFPA 30A Code for Motor FuelDispensing Facilities and Repair Garages as they pertain to liquid fuels including high flashpoint diesel fuels Also there have been no proposals to make such a change to NFPA 30A I trust this answers your question R P Benedetti cc -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

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Notice The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for theexclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential andor privileged information If you are not the intendedrecipient please notify Robert Benedetti immediately by replying to the message or by calling (617) 984-7433 Please deletethis message and any attachments from your system Thank you

From Shriniwas Bodhankar [mailtobodhankarenoccom] Sent Tuesday June 01 2010 536 AMTo Maynard Mary Benedetti BobSubject NFPA 30 A Dear sir Reference is made to table no 4324 of NFPA code 30A specifying the minimum distance between storagetanks and dispensing equipment A dispenser should be placed minimum 50 feet away from a bunded abovegroundsteel tank to meet this requirementIn our opinion this is too stringent and uncalled for in case of high flash diesel ( Flash point above 65 degreecentigrade) A bunded tank where spill can be contained within bund is as safe as a vaulted tankfire resistanttankprotected tank Therefore it is equally safe to install an approved dispensing device immediately outside thebund provided the vent of the tank is 4 meters above the grade level on which the dispensing device is installedVarious international oil companies like SHELL amp BP carry similar installations for their fleet customers of dieselMoreover there are standard skids being marketed in EUROPE (even for gasoline) which have storage tanks and

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dispensers on same skid and such an arrangement is accepted by ldquoAuthority Having Jurisdictionrdquo(AHJ)Kindly advise if this standard requirement is being reviewed or otherwise if based on performance based designsuch a requirement may be waived or considered as ldquo highly recommendedrdquo in the leastBased on your feedback we wish to discuss this with AHJ in UAE Regards Regards Shriniwas BodhankarSenior EHS Compliance Officer( Special Projects)Group EHSQ Compliance DepartmentEmirates National Oil Company Limited (ENOC) LLC ENOC House I PO Box 6442Dubai United Arab EmiratesDirect +971 4 313 4437Fax +971 4 313 4482bodhankarenoccom | wwwenoccom

This message together with any attachments contains confidential information and is intended only for the use of theaddressee(s) and may contain information which is covered by legal professional or other privilege If you are not theintended recipient please inform the sender immediately and delete this e-mail You should not copy this e-mail or use itfor any purpose nor disclose its contents to any other person ENOC does not warrant that this transmission is virus freeand will not be liable for any damages resulting from any virus ENOC Dubai UAE

From Benedetti BobTo EActonccfireusCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiBcc May PaulSubject Inquiry NFPA 30A amp NFPA 30Date Monday August 02 2010 44400 PMAttachments DSC06169JPG

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Good day Mr Acton Fire protection provisions for major and minor repair garages and ldquolube-onlyrdquofacilities which is the topic of your concern are provided in NFPA 30A Code for MotorFuel Dispensing Facilities and Repair Garages currently 2008 edition Chapter 5 ofNFPA 30A covers piping systems but its specific provisions focus on piping systemsbetween fuel storage tanks and fuel dispensers Chapter 5 also directly referencesChapter 27 of the 2008 edition of NFPA 30 Flammable and Combustible Liquids Code(successor to Chapter 5 of the 2003 edition) Subsection 527 of NFPA 30A allows piping made from low-melting point materials tobe installed in exposed areas but only in specific locations These are limited tocontainment sumps under dispensers containment sumps for underground fuelstorage tanks and sumps for below-grade piping connections Chapter 5 of NFPA 30Ais silent on piping inside buildings Therefore the user is left with the provisions ofChapter 27 of NFPA 30 NFPA 30 in turn does allow piping fabricated of low melting point materials to beused exposed outdoors or inside buildings with the following provisions ldquo27441 Such materials shall be permitted to be used outdoors above ground orinside buildings provided they meet one of the following conditions (1) They are resistant to damage by fire(2) They are located so that any leakage resulting from failure will not exposepersons important buildings or structures(3) They are located where leakage can be controlled by operation of one or moreaccessible remotely located valvesrdquo Regardless of the material of construction of the piping and components the followinggeneral requirement from Chapter 27 of NFPA 30 always applies ldquo273 General Requirements2731 Performance Standards The design fabrication assembly test and inspectionof piping systems shall be suitable for the working pressures and structural stresses tobe encountered by the piping system Compliance with applicable sections of ASMEB31 Code for Pressure Piping and the provisions of this chapter shall be consideredprima facie evidence of compliance with the foregoing provisions2732 Tightness of Piping Piping systems shall be maintained liquidtight A pipingsystem that has leaks that constitute a hazard shall be emptied of liquid or repaired ina manner acceptable to the authority having jurisdictionrdquo Your interpretation of Subsection 511 of the 2003 edition of NFPA 30 (2711 in the2008 edition) is correct the chapter applies to any piping system that handles aflammable or combustible liquid regardless of pressure Likewise you are correct thatthe piping system must meet the provisions of ASME B31 for the material chosen andthe anticipated operating pressures and temperatures (531 in the 2003 edition 2741 in the 2008 edition) However low melting point materials (aluminum copperbrass and polymeric materials) are allowed under the provisions of Subsection 534(2003 edition) and 2744 (2008 edition) What must be determined is does thepiping system comply with one of the conditions stated in 27441 as stated above

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Please understand that this response is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 ofNFPArsquos Regulations Governing Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon todefinitively determine compliance with any laws ordinances rules or regulations Todetermine legal compliance you should refer to the appropriate authority havingjurisdiction or seek legal advice It is not intended nor should it be relied upon toprovide professional consultation or services To determine the adequacy or safety ofany device or installation you should consult with an appropriate professional I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write Iwill be happy to assist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant toNFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does notnecessarily represent the official position of the NFPA or its Technical Committees Inaddition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it be relied upon to provideprofessional consultation or services cc 30IFI 30AIFI AUVNM FLCTANNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

If you have a reported fire in your home the risk of dyingdecreases by about 80 percent when sprinklers are present

wwwfiresprinklerinitiativeorgNotice The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intendedfor the exclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential andor privileged information If you arenot the intended recipient please notify Robert Benedetti immediately by replying to the message or by calling(617) 984-7433 Please delete this message and any attachments from your system Thank you

From Eric Acton [mailtoEActonccfireus] Sent Monday July 19 2010 636 PMTo Benedetti BobSubject InterpretationOpinion request

Good day My name is Eric Acton I am the Fire Marshal for Campbell CountyWyoming and Irsquom employed by Campbell County Fire Department My NFPA

membership number is 2755369 My mailing and email addresses are listed below I am in need of a technical opinion regarding 2003 NFPA 30 Chapter 5 or morecurrently 2008 NFPA 30A Chapter 5 Some brief project backgroundAn owner within my jurisdiction has built a commercial lube-oil center to servicecustomersrsquo vehicles A ldquopitrdquo exists below the service bay to allow workers to drainthe oil from the vehicle then workers on the main floor refill the oil by use ofpressurized nozzles Several motor oil storage tanks are located in the pitaccounting for several brands and viscosities of oil The tanks are designed to befilled by use of a piping system which extends from an exterior connection vault toeach of the storage tanks using gravity to move the product in the fill-pipingsystem The material the owner chose to construct the fill-piping system wasldquostandardrdquo 1-12rdquo Schedule 40 PVC and Parker Series 7094 Electrically Non-Conductive rubber hose The piping system is exposed it is not underground nor isit protected from flame by means of a fire-rated chase Having identified the use of combustible liquids in this occupancy I utilized 2006International Fire Code (as adopted by my jurisdiction) Chapter 34 Flammable andCombustible Liquids to review and inspect the project IFC Section 340362referred me to NFPA 30 Chapter 5 for the construction materials to use where Iinterpreted (2003 version) 30511 to mean that the piping system components (pipetubing flanges bolting gaskets valves fittingshellip) must meet the requirementsregardless of pressure And that the following components specified in theparagraph must meet the requirements ONLY if they contained pressure ndashhelliprdquoexpansion joints and strainers and devices such thathelliprdquo I further interpreted(2003 version) 30531 Material Specifications similarly in that the ldquoPipe valvesfaucets couplingshelliprdquo must meet the requirements regardless of pressure while ldquohellipother pressure-containing partshelliprdquo meant ONLY the other parts that containedpressure Verbatim to 30511 is encountered in 2008 NFPA 30A Chapter 5paragraph 51 Scope The owner states his piping complies with the standard cited because it is gravity-fed hence no ldquopressurerdquo is seen by the piping components I maintain that thepiping system shall consist of metal pipe (or another material meeting therequirements of ASME B31 as allowed by 2003 NFPA 30531) to comply with NFPA30 and IFC Some assistance to resolve this problem is greatly appreciated I have attachedsome photographs for clarification Thanks for your attentionEric

Eric ActonFire MarshalCampbell County Fire Department 106 Rohan Avenue Gillette WY 82716 (307) 682-5319 ext 8912(307) 686-2222 Fax(307) 680-9612 Cell

eactonccfireus (No trees were harmed in the production of this e-mail however a huge number of electrons were horribly inconvenienced)

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From Benedetti BobTo Howard Jim (Woodbridge)Cc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiBcc May PaulSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Monday June 28 2010 115100 AM

Good morning Mr Howard First I appreciate your patience with me while I reviewed the information sent to meby yourself and Mr Luby of Veeder-Root I wanted to ensure that I thoroughlyunderstood how the system functions in its line leak detection mode My understanding of the arrangement of the piping system from the pair ofunderground storage tanks is that the electronic line leak detector the PLLD tests thesupply piping from the two submersible pumps to the dispensers as a single system This includes the direct piping run from the master pump to the dispensers AND thepiping that connects the slave pump to the direct piping run The intent of Subsection 642 of the 2008 edition of NFPA 30A Code for Motor FuelDispensing Facilities and Repair Garages is to ensure that some type of leak detectiondevice monitors the piping from the submersible pump to the dispensers in such amanner that a leak in the piping leading to the dispensers or in the dispensersthemselves is detected and notification of a leak given Since the two pumps act intandem and since the entire piping system from the pumps to the dispensers ismonitored my personal opinion is that the intent of Subsection 642 is met andevaluation of the system described as being equivalent to what is required bySubsection 642 is reasonable Whether the system described meets the criteria of Section 15 Equivalency of NFPA30A must be determined by the authority having jurisdiction As NFPA Staff Liaison forNFPA 30A I cannot make such a determination under NFPArsquos Regulations GoverningCommittee Projects Please understand that this response is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 ofNFPArsquos Regulations Governing Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon todefinitively determine compliance with any laws ordinances rules or regulations Todetermine legal compliance you should refer to the appropriate authority havingjurisdiction or seek legal advice It is not intended nor should it be relied upon toprovide professional consultation or services To determine the adequacy or safety ofany device or installation you should consult with an appropriate professional I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write Iwill be happy to assist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant toNFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does notnecessarily represent the official position of the NFPA or its Technical Committees Inaddition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it be relied upon to provideprofessional consultation or services cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids Engineer

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National Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

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From Howard Jim (Woodbridge) [mailtoJHowardhesscom] Sent Monday June 14 2010 1144 AMTo Benedetti BobCc Howard Jim (Woodbridge) Bob Luby Subject Importance High Bob It was a pleasure talking to you this morning regarding the Line Leak Detection applicationin place at Hess Station 08501 - Milltown DE (drawing attached) as well as several thousandlocations worldwide Here is some background information on this installation

Site had 3 - 10000 gallon gasoline tanks 1 - 10000 Regular (87) 1 - 10000 Plus (89) 1 - 10000 Premium (93) prior to our Dispenser Replacement Project Because of theoverwhelming demand for Regular gasoline (887 in 2009) we converted the existingPlus tank to additional Regular storageDispensers were replaced with new Blend Dispensers Tanks were not manifoldedRegular and former-Plus product lines were manifolded at each dispenserWe installed Veeder-Root PLLDs (Electronic Line Leak Detectors) on the Regular 1and Premium STPs We installed a non-vented Swift Check on Regular 2 (formerPlus) STP Because the PLLD is vented we MUST install a non-vented swift check onRegular STP 2 in order to test the system as a wholeWe have demonstrated via post-construction testing that the system will pick up a 3gph leak

The State of DE has questioned our compliance with NFPA 30A 642 Each pump shallhave installed on the discharge side a listed leak detection device that will provide an audibleor visible indication if the piping or a dispenser is leaking Each leak-detecting device shallbe checked and tested at least annually according to the manufacturers specifications toensure proper installation and operation

Can you comment on whether the system shown on the attached and described above and onour call meets the NFPA requirement or if it meets the definition of Equivalency as definedin Chapter 15 - Equivalency Thank you in advance for your consideration in this matter Please do not hesitate to contactme if there are any questions or concerns on this application ThanksJim Howard RFMPManager Maintenance amp UST ComplianceHess Corporation732-750-6220 (office)800-903-4801 (Emergency Hotline)E-mail UST Inspections to USTCompliancehesscomFax UST Inspections to 866-435-6744

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From Benedetti BobTo Gary KostalCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiBcc May PaulSubject Inquiry NFPA 30 NFPA 30ADate Tuesday August 10 2010 43200 PM

Good afternoon Mr Kostal There are no provisions in NFPA 30 Flammable and Combustible Liquids Code togovern dispensing of motor fuels into motorized equipment and the devices youdescribe are not mentioned at all in NFPA 30 or in the only other related NFPAdocument that might apply NFPA 30A Code for Motor Fuel Dispensing Facilities andRepair Garages I cannot say that these units are either allowed or disallowed because neither NFPA30 nor NFPA 30A speaks about them The only provisions that might apply are the quantity limitations established in thesetwo codes depending on which code applies If the maintenance building is considered an industrial occupancy then Chapter 9 ofNFPA 30 establishes a maximum allowable quantity for of 120 gallons for Class Iliquids (The maximum allowable quantity is actually a threshold value Up to theMAQ compliance with NFPA 30 is not required above it NFPA 30 applies) If the maintenance building is considered a repair garage then NFPA 30A takesprecedence It also sets a 120 gallon limit on the maximum quantity of Class I liquid In both cases the quantity of fuel involved is 50 percent of the maximum allowed Myopinion is that there is no violation of either NFPA 30 or NFPA 30A Please understand that this response is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 ofNFPArsquos Regulations Governing Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon todefinitively determine compliance with any laws ordinances rules or regulations Todetermine legal compliance you should refer to the appropriate authority havingjurisdiction or seek legal advice It is not intended nor should it be relied upon toprovide professional consultation or services To determine the adequacy or safety ofany device or installation you should consult with an appropriate professional I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write Iwill be happy to assist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant toNFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does notnecessarily represent the official position of the NFPA or its Technical Committees Inaddition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it be relied upon to provideprofessional consultation or services cc 30IFI 30AIFI-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch Park

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Quincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg Important Notice This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPA RegulationsAny opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarily represent the officialposition of the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition this correspondence is neither intended norshould it be relied upon to provide professional consultation or services

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From Gary Kostal [mailtogarykbloomingdalefirecom] Sent Monday August 09 2010 328 PMTo Benedetti BobSubject Looking for assistance - portable gas caddies Membership 2329840 Gary KostalFire Prevention DirectorBloomingdale Fire District Question (Non-formal opinion) I have a country club where they service a very large number of lawn maintenance equipment on a dailybasis They are utilizing a portable gas container (gas caddy) that holds approximately 30 gallons ofgasoline The unit is equipped with a hand style pump which is located on the top of the tank Fuel isdispensed from this tank as you crank the pump There are no nozzles located on the hose These gascaddies are being used inside their maintenance building which is fully fire sprinkled They are presentlyusing two of these devices inside the same building which is basically one days use

My question is are these devices allowed for this type of dispensing Are they required to be equippedwith a self closing nozzle What NFPA sections would apply to this particular type of device Thank you for your assistance in this matter

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From Benedetti BobTo SheldonSchallWisconsingovCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Wednesday September 30 2009 45929 PM

Good afternoon Sheldon I will here provide more detailed answers to your questions as posed in the email you sent to me today Section 30A-4323 limits tank storage capacity for Class I and II No limit for Class IIIA or IIIB

You are correct The intent of 4323 is to limit the capacities only of those tanks that storeClass I and II liquids Recall that when NFPA 30A initially allowed aboveground storage tanks atvehicle fueling sites biofuels were not in the picture just gasoline (Class I) and diesel fuel (ClassII) The Technical Committee at the time did not conceive that there would be the need to storeClass III fuels because there werenrsquot any The bottom line NFPA 30A does not limit the capacityof an aboveground storage tank that holds a motor fuel that is a Class III liquid

Section 30A-4324 refers to setbacks in Table 4324 No indication that these setbacks are specific toor exclude any class of flammable or combustible so it appears that the setbacks apply to Class I -Class IIIB liquids This table appears to conflict with the previous section for Class IIIA amp IIIB liquids

This is again correct that the separation distances in Table 4324 are not specific to anyparticular Class of liquid There is no conflict however 4323 deals with tank capacities 4324 deals with separation distances for the tanks Since 4324 does not specify anyparticular liquid class(es) it applies to ALL liquid classes

Section 30A-4325 allows an increased capacity for Class II and III liquids at fleet facilities Thisappears to conflict with section 4323 for Class III liquids which didnt have a capacity limit to startwith

Here there is a conflict or at least a serious inconsistency This provision was added one or twoeditions after 4323 and it appears that biofuels are beginning to be recognized It also appearsthat the intent here was to allow a relaxation of one limit in favor of a more liberal one Theproblem is the original limit doesnrsquot exist making it arguable that the application of 4325 toClass III liquids is meaningless Given the obvious intent here for some limit on Class III liquidfuels 4323 should be amended to include Class IIIs

Section 30A-4327 addresses dispensing from an aboveground tank for Class I and II liquids based uponspecific conditions

Paragraph 4322 is a hold-over dating back to when service stations were covered in Chapter 7of the old versions of NFPA 30 This set of requirements should also be amended to include ClassIIIs

Section 30A-4328 refers to NFPA 30-2171 for spill and overfill This section only applies to class Iand II liquids

While it is true that Subsection 2171 of NFPA 30 only applies to Classes I and II I do not believeit is a conflict for NFPA 30A to also apply it to Class III as well if the Technical Committee it isappropriate to do so However the language needs to be improved or an Annex item should beadded to explain the extrapolation and the reason for it

I will add this to the next meetingrsquos agenda for the Technical Committee on Automotive and MarineService Stations As usual the following applies Please understand that this response to your inquiry is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 of NFPArsquos RegulationsGoverning Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitively determine compliance with anylaws ordinances rules or regulations To determine the adequacy or safety of any device or installationyou should consult with an appropriate professional To determine legal compliance you should refer tothe appropriate authority having jurisdiction or seek legal advice

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I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will be happy toassist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarily represent the official positionof the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it berelied upon to provide professional consultation or services cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

Fire Prevention Week is October 4 ndash 10 2009 Visit wwwfirepreventionweekorg or call 800-344-3555 for moreinformation NFPA Seminars - Apply the codes with confidenceRegister at wwwnfpalearnorg NFPA Membership keeps you up-to-dateVisit wwwnfpaorgjoin for more information Or call 800-344-3555Notice The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for theexclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential andor privileged information If you are not the intendedrecipient please notify Robert Benedetti immediately by replying to the message or by calling (617) 984-7433 Please deletethis message and any attachments from your system Thank you Considering the variables in the sections referenced above are the setbacks in Table 4324 intended toapply to Class IIIA andor Class IIIB liquids for public fueling

From Schall Sheldon - COMMERCE [mailtoSheldonSchallWisconsingov] Sent Wednesday September 30 2009 832 AMTo Benedetti BobSubject NFPA 30A-4324 inquiry - URGENT Section 30A-4323 limits tank storage capacity for Class I and II No limit for Class IIIA or IIIB trueSection 30A-4324 refers to setbacks in Table 4324 No indication that these setbacks are specific toor exclude any class of flammable or combustible so it appears that the setbacks apply to Class I -Class IIIB liquids This table appears to conflict with the previous section for Class IIIA amp IIIB liquids Also trueSection 30A-4325 allows an increased capacity for Class II and III liquids at fleet facilities Thisappears to conflict with section 4323 for Class III liquids which didnt have a capacity limit to startwith Either one or the other needs to changeSection 30A-4327 addresses dispensing from an aboveground tank for Class I and II liquids based uponspecific conditions Need to cover IIIBSection 30A-4328 refers to NFPA 30-2171 for spill and overfill This section only applies to class Iand II liquids Class IIIs need to be specifically addressed Considering the variables in the sections referenced above are the setbacks in Table 4324 intended toapply to Class IIIA andor Class IIIB liquids for public fueling

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From Benedetti BobTo Bill HickmanCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Monday December 14 2009 50332 PM

Good afternoon Mr Hickman To answer your question the separation distances in Table 4324 of NFPA 30A Code for MotorFuel Dispensing Facilities and Repair Garages are intended to apply to outside abovegroundstorage tanks for fuel where such is allowed The tanks inside a service station building majorrepair garage or minor repair garage would likely be handling Class IIIB liquids (flash point gt200 degF) only in accordance with Subsection 4392 of NFPA 30A Subsection 4392 does not set any specific requirements for separation between tanks inside abuilding although it does refer back to Chapters 21 through 23 of NFPA 30 Flammable andCombustible Liquids Code Shell-to-shell spacing distances for aboveground tanks areestablished in Table 22421 Table 22421 is intended for much large tanks than one wouldfind in a repair garage or ldquolube-onlyrdquo facility For example the minimum separation for tanksstoring Class IIIB liquids is 3 feet as set forth in 224212 But again the separationdistances in Chapter 22 of NFPA 30 are intended for tank farm application not for the muchsmaller tanks found in the type of occupancy governed by NFPA 30A Also any facility meeting the requirements of NFPA 30A is considered to be in compliance withNFPA 30 Please understand that this response to your inquiry is a personal opinion and does notconstitute a Formal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 ofNFPArsquos Regulations Governing Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitivelydetermine compliance with any laws ordinances rules or regulations To determine theadequacy or safety of any device or installation you should consult with an appropriateprofessional To determine legal compliance you should refer to the appropriate authorityhaving jurisdiction or seek legal advice I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will behappy to assist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPARegulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarilyrepresent the official position of the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition thiscorrespondence is neither intended nor should it be relied upon to provide professional consultation orservices cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg If you have a reported fire in your home the risk of dyingdecreases by about 80 percent when sprinklers are present

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From Bill Hickman [mailtoBillHickmanstatecous] Sent Tuesday December 01 2009 939 AMTo Benedetti BobSubject Inquiry NFPA 30A - Storage of Liquids Inside Buildings Mr Benedetti Id appreciate your interpretation on an item regarding aboveground tanks storing lubricants (newused oil) inside abuilding at a repair garage NFPA 30A 439 does not include specific spacing requirements for tanks inside buildings Where there are multiple tanks being stored inside the building is there no minimum separation distance requirementthat must be met or do the requirements of Table 4324 apply Thank you in advance for your assistance __________________________________ Bill HickmanInspectorTechnical SpecialistCO Division of Oil amp Public Safety303-378-5090

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From Benedetti BobTo Peznowski EdwardCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Thursday September 03 2009 30455 PM

Hi Ed The 1996 edition of the Flammable and Combustible Liquids Code Handbook was the last one prior to thecurrent 2008 edition The commentary hasnrsquot changed My recollection of the development of this text is that the intent of NFPA 30A Code for Motor FuelDispensing Facilities and Repair Garages is to isolate the motor fuel dispensing area and its attendanthazard completely from the rest of the structure regardless of what else might be in the structure Subsection 524 assumes that the installation involves a motor fuel dispensing operation inside abuilding where you would not expect to have same such as an office building A bus repair facility wouldbe probably classed as a major repair garage and would be expected to have fueling operations Thehazard of this is in my opinion no greater than the repair operations It could be that the language in Subsection 524 needs to be clarified so that it applies only to situationssuch as I first described Please understand that this response to your inquiry is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 of NFPArsquos RegulationsGoverning Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitively determine compliance with anylaws ordinances rules or regulations To determine the adequacy or safety of any device or installationyou should consult with an appropriate professional To determine legal compliance you should refer tothe appropriate authority having jurisdiction or seek legal advice I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will be happy toassist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarily represent the official positionof the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it berelied upon to provide professional consultation or services cc 30AIFI 30AFAQ AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

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exclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential andor privileged information If you are not the intendedrecipient please notify Robert Benedetti immediately by replying to the message or by calling (617) 984-7433 Please deletethis message and any attachments from your system Thank you

From Peznowski Edward [mailtoEdwardPeznowskipostatectus] Sent Monday August 31 2009 127 PMTo Benedetti BobSubject NFPA 30A Hi Bob Sorry to bother you but I need your help and interpretation of the following section of NFPA 30A 2000edition 524 - All piping inside buildings but outside the motor fuel dispensing area shall be enclosed within ahorizontal chase or a vertical shaft used only for this piping Vertical shafts and horizontal chases shall beconstructed of materials having a fire resistance rating of not less than 2 hours Bob I have a bus repair facility being built and we have fuel dispensing area within the building enclosedwith a 2hr fire resistive separation My question is I have diesel fuel piping coming from two tanks locatedoutside of the building the piping runs outside of the dispensing area does this piping need to be enclosed Ihave the proper UL listed system for through wall penetrations My problem lies here I have natural gas heating fuel oil lines for boilers and diesel fuel line for thegenerator all running through the area outside the 2 hour rated dispensing area which are not required to beenclosed My thought is within the 2 hour fire resistive construction I have storage rooms for grease and oil a office forfuel dispensing Any fuel piping running through these areas would be enclosed but once I go outside my 2hrrated enclosure the piping would not have to be enclosed NFPA 30A (1996edition)6-42 - All fuel and flammable vapor piping inside buildings but outside the service station area shall beenclosed within a horizontal chase or a vertical shaft used only for this piping Vertical shafts and horizontalchases shall be constructed of materials having a fire resistance rating of not less than 2 hoursCOMMENTARY 6-42 The intent of this requirement is to preserve the isolation of the service stationoperation from the rest of the building I donrsquot have the 2000 handbook for commentary Thanks Bob Edward J PeznowskiFire amp Life Safety SpecialistBureau of EngineeringOffice State Fire Marshal860-685-8350

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From Benedetti BobTo Hamilton James P (HOY)Cc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiSubject Inquiry NFPA 30A-2008Date Monday September 14 2009 115041 AM

Good morning Mr Hamilton The intent of this particular provision of Subsection 672 of NFPA 30A Code for Motor Fuel DispensingFacilities and Repair Garages is to ensure that the patron has access to a second disconnect if he or shecannot reach the primary disconnect ie the one that is between 20 and 100 feet from the dispenser In my opinion all of the emergency disconnects required by Section 67 must be at least 20 ft but normore than 100 ft from the nearest dispenser Please understand that this response to your inquiry is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 of NFPArsquos RegulationsGoverning Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitively determine compliance with anylaws ordinances rules or regulations To determine the adequacy or safety of any device or installationyou should consult with an appropriate professional To determine legal compliance you should refer tothe appropriate authority having jurisdiction or seek legal advice I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will be happy toassist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarily represent the official positionof the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it berelied upon to provide professional consultation or services cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

Fire Prevention Week is October 4 ndash 10 2009 Visit wwwfirepreventionweekorg or call 800-344-3555 for moreinformation NFPA Seminars - Apply the codes with confidenceRegister at wwwnfpalearnorg NFPA Membership keeps you up-to-dateVisit wwwnfpaorgjoin for more information Or call 800-344-3555Notice The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for theexclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential andor privileged information If you are not the intendedrecipient please notify Robert Benedetti immediately by replying to the message or by calling (617) 984-7433 Please deletethis message and any attachments from your system Thank you

From Hamilton James P (HOY) [mailtoHAMILTONJPbechteljacobsorg] Sent Thursday September 10 2009 1224 PMTo Benedetti BobSubject NFPA 30A 2008 Edition

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Importance High

NFPA 30A 672 states at least one additional device or disconnect shall be readily accessible toeach group of dispensing devices on an individual island Our installation does not have islands Should the second emergency shutoff be installed close to the pumps or between 20 and 100 ofthe pumps

Please respond back via email hamiltonjpbechteljacobsorg

Thanks

NFPA 127130 James P Hamilton CFPSTetraTek Inc - Fire Safety TechnologiesFire Protection LeadK-27 Pre-Demo Project 790 Emory Valley Rd 811 Oak Ridge TN 37830 ETTP Office 865-241-1902

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From Benedetti BobTo Scott DavonskiCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Tuesday August 04 2009 92429 AM

Good morning Mr Davonski My opinion is that the intent of the requirement in Subsection 1141 of NFPA 30A Code for Motor FuelDispensing Facilities and Repair Garages is that any hose longer than 18 feet should not simply bestrung along the dockrsquos surface Using a reel would be one means of securing the hose although Irsquomsure other methods such as hangers would work as well Please understand that this response to your inquiry is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 of NFPArsquos RegulationsGoverning Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitively determine compliance with anylaws ordinances rules or regulations To determine the adequacy or safety of any device or installationyou should consult with an appropriate professional To determine legal compliance you should refer tothe appropriate authority having jurisdiction or seek legal advice I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will be happy toassist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarily represent the official positionof the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it berelied upon to provide professional consultation or services cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

Fire Prevention Week is October 4 ndash 10 2009 Visit wwwfirepreventionweekorg or call 800-344-3555 for moreinformation NFPA Seminars - Apply the codes with confidenceRegister at wwwnfpalearnorg NFPA Membership keeps you up-to-dateVisit wwwnfpaorgjoin for more information Or call 800-344-3555Notice The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for theexclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential andor privileged information If you are not the intendedrecipient please notify Robert Benedetti immediately by replying to the message or by calling (617) 984-7433 Please deletethis message and any attachments from your system Thank you

From Scott Davonski [mailtodavonskiRiverheadlicom] Sent Wednesday July 22 2009 1118 AMTo Benedetti BobSubject 30A clarification

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1141 All hose shall be listed Where hose length exceeds 55 m (18 ft) the hose shall besecured so as to protect it from damage Can you provide clarification as to what is meant by ldquosecured so as to protect it fromdamagerdquo Is the standard looking not to have the hoses on the dock In a reel Any clarificationinformation would be appreciated Scott W DavonskiChief Fire MarshalTown of RiverheadP- 631-727-3200 ext 209F- 631-727-3370

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Page 2: TECHNICAL COMMITTEE ON AUTOMOTIVE and MARINE … · SUBJECT: Agenda for ROC Meeting – October 4, 2010 _____ Ladies and Gentlemen: Attached is the Agenda for the NFPA 30A Report

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TECHNICAL COMMITTEE ON AUTOMOTIVE and MARINE SERVICE STATIONS

AGENDA Technical Committee on Automotive and Marine Service Stations

Westin Peachtree Plaza Hotel Atlanta GA

Monday October 4 2010 800 AM to 500 PM

1 Call to Order 2 Introduction of Attendees Update of Committee Roster [Attachment A1] 3 Approval of Minutes of Last Meeting [Attachment A2] 4 Report of Committee Chair 5 Report of Staff Liaison

Technical Committee Scope amp Technical Committee Name [Attachment A3]

Technical Committee Membership Status [Attachment A4] - Welcome to new Committee members David Ayers National Ready Mixed Concrete Association and Bradley Steier ND State Electrical Board (alternate to Don Offerdahl) - R Benscoter Husky Corp and L Gregory ExxonMobil Have both retired Issue The committee has no direct representation from either manufacturers of dispensing equipment or the petroleum marketing industry

A2011 Document Revision Schedule [Attachment A5] 6 Report on Alternative Fuels

Status of NFPA 2 Hydrogen Technologies Code [Paul May NFPA Staff Liaison] Biofuels Biodiesel Ethanol etc [Doug Horne CVEF and others] Update of UL Work on Alternative Fuels [Al Ramirez UL] Diesel Exhaust Fluid (DEF) [Bob Renkes PEI]

7 Report on Tentative Interim Amendment (TIA) 985 [Bob Benedetti Staff Liaison] [Attachment A6]

Need to Draft a Committee Comment to Proposal 30A-19 Need to Draft a Revised TIA 985

AUV2010-10 Agendadoc

8 Review and Action on Comments on the Report on Proposals (ROP) for NFPA 30A-2012

[Attachment A7] The first page of Attachment No A7 is the Log Number Sort List The second page is the Section

Number Sort List with the comments listed in sectionparagraph order 9 Recent Correspondence [Attachment A8] 10 Review of Previous Correspondence [Attachment A9) 11 Other Old Business

Potential Static Electricity Hazard During Marine Fueling [Attachment A10] 12 New Business [NONE] 13 Schedule Next Meeting(s) 14 Adjournment

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TECHNICAL COMMITTEE ON AUTOMOTIVE and MARINE SERVICE STATIONS

MINUTES of MEETING Technical Committee on Automotive and Marine Service Stations

Hilton St Petersburg Bayfront Hotel St Petersburg FL

January 20 - 21 2010

I Attendance mdash via web conference service R Benscoter Husky Corporation

C A Burns Oscar W Larson Company B C Donovan STICO Mutual Insurance Company T J Forsythe Hughes Associates Inc L Gregory ExxonMobil (Rep American Petroleum Institute)

C N Harding Tyco Fire Suppression amp Building Products (Rep Fire Equipment Manufacturersrsquo Association)

J P Hartmann John Hartmann amp Associates J P Higgins Mutual Service Office D B Horne DBHorne LLC (Rep Clean Vehicle Education Foundation) M T Kadri Michigan Department of Environmental Quality D R Offerdahl North Dakota State Electrical Board A M Ramirez Underwriters Laboratories Inc CHAIR

R N Renkes Petroleum Equipment Institute R A Riegel Underwriters Laboratories Inc

J R Rocco Sage Risk Solutions LLC (Rep Petroleum Marketers Association of America) R C Schultz University of Texas at Austin ndash Fire Prevention Services C A Sunderhaus OPW Fueling Components

K J Wolf Intertek Testing Services A R Zajac Michigan Department of Environmental Quality

R P Benedetti NFPA STAFF LIAISON Minutes 1 The meeting was called to order at 815 AM on Wednesday January 21 2010 by Technical

Committee Chair Al Ramirez 2 Attendees introduced themselves and necessary corrections were made to the Technical Committee

roster The corrected roster will be posted to the ECommittee SharePoint page 3 The Minutes of the previous meeting (National Fire Protection Association Quincy MA) were

unanimously approved with minor corrections 4 Technical Committee Chair Al Ramirez briefed the Technical Committee on the meeting objectives

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5 The Staff Liaison presented the following report

Technical Committee Scope amp Technical Committee Name At the April 2009 meeting the Technical Committee reviewed but did not act on proposed changes to the Technical Committeersquos Scope statement A slightly amended version of the April Proposal was presented The Technical Committee made additional changes and directed the Staff Liaison to circulate the proposed new scope statement to letter ballot of the committee then to submit the new scope statement to the NFPA Standards Council for approval

Technical Committee Membership Status The Staff Liaison reported on changes to the membership of the committee A request was made that the Staff Liaison include definitions of the interest categories

A2011 Document Revision Schedule The Staff Liaison reviewed the deadlines of the 2011 document revision schedule

6 Report on Alternative Fuels

Status of NFPA 2 Hydrogen Technologies Code NFPA 2 has been published in the Fall 2010 Report on Proposals (ROP) with a Comment Closing Deadline of March 5 2010 Andrea Zajac reported on the latest activities involving NFPA 2 The Technical Committee expressed its concern that any extractions of text from NFPA 30A be done correctly

Biofuels Biodiesel Ethanol etc Doug Horne reported that proposals have been submitted to the International Fire Code to better define E85 He noted that research shows that there can be ignitable mixtures in the head space of tanks with intermediate blends Bob Renkes reported on ULSD effects on fuel system eg corrosive effects on metal components

Update of UL Work on Alternative Fuels Al Ramirez reported on Underwriters Laboratoriesrsquo progress on listing system components for use with intermediate ethanolgasoline blends Bob Renkes raised the issue would use of legacy equipment with fuels for which equipment wasnrsquot listed violate NFPA 30A

Diesel Exhaust Fluid (DEF) Bob Renkes reported that PEIRP1100-10 Recommended Practices for the Storage and Dispensing of Diesel Exhaust Fluid (DEF) has been published

7 The Technical Committee heard reports from the following Task Groups

Maintenance amp Inspection Fire Protection amp Control Cross-References to NFPA 30 Dispenser Disconnects

8 The Technical Committee completed final changes to its proposed new Table 831 for NFPA 30A to

ensure correlation with the table incorporated into the 2011 edition of NFPA 70reg National Electrical Codereg There might need to be some additional changes to address sumps and pits

9 The Technical Committee reviewed and acted on all remaining proposals to amend NFPA 30Aand

developed Committee Proposals as necessary The Technical Committee directed the Staff Liaison to circulate the Report on Proposals (ROP) for letter ballot of the Technical Committee

10 The Technical Committee reviewed the proposed Chapter 12 rewrite and decided to include the

rewrite as a rejected Committee Proposal to elicit public comment 11 The Technical Committee reviewed recent correspondence and determined that there was no action

necessary

AUV2009-04 Minutesdoc

12 Under ldquoOther Old Businessrdquo the Technical Committee reviewed the following two issues and determined that no action was necessary

Definition of ldquoAdequate Ventilationrdquo Proper Classification of Repair Garage

13 The Technical Committee reviewed the following items of new business

Inquiry on Scope and Application of NFPA 30A The Technical Committee points out that portable equipment is not within the scope of NFPA 30A

Inconsistency Between NFPA 30A and NFPA 70 Larry Gregory agreed to propose a change to NFPA 70reg National Electrical Codereg

Area Classification for Kiosks on Islands The Technical Committee determined that no action was necessary

Potential Static Electricity Hazard During Marine Fueling The Technical Committee determined that this issue was outside its scope

An Experimental and Modeling Study of the Flammability of Fuel Tank Headspace Vapors from High Ethanol Content Fuels ndash NRELSR-540-44040 October 2008 This report was brought to the attention of the committee by Doug Horne The link to the report is httpwwwnrelgovfy09osti44040pdf

14 The Technical Committee agreed to schedule its next meeting for October 4 2010 in

Atlanta GA to be held in conjunction with the Petroleum Equipment Institutersquos convention 15 The meeting adjourned at 300 PM on January 21 2010

AUV Revised Scope Statement2010-01-06doc

TECHNICAL COMMITTEE ON AUTOMOTIVE and MARINE SERVICE STATIONS

SCOPE STATEMENT

This Committee shall have primary responsibility for documents on safeguarding against the fire and explosion hazards associated with the general storage handling and dispensing of flammable and combustible liquids and gaseous motor fuels at motor fuel dispensing facilities service stations and with related activities such as operation inspection maintenance and repair of dispensing system components and dispensing gaseous fuels This committee shall also have primary responsibility for documents on construction control of fire hazards ventilation fire protection and maintenance of repair facilities garages This committee shall not have responsibility for the dispensing of gaseous fuels at facilities where no liquid fuels are dispensed including residential occupancies ie dispensing of gaseous fuels as covered by NFPA 2 Hydrogen Technologies Code and NFPA 52 Vehicular Fuel Systems Code Responsible for NFPA 30A Code for Motor Fuel Dispensing Facilities and Repair Garages

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AUV Committee Balancedoc - 8122010

TECHNICAL COMMITTEE ON AUTOMOTIVE and MARINE SERVICE STATIONS

COMMITTEE MEMBERSHIP BALANCE SUMMARY

AUV-AAA NFPA 30A

Members 24 M 7 (29) U 5 (21) Voting Alternates 0 IM 3 (13) LC 0 Alternates 7 RT 2 (8) E 3 (13)

Non-Voting 2 I 2 (8) SE 2 (8) Emeritus 1

Task Group 0 Hold List 0 Balance OK (CNG equipment 1 dispensing nozzles 0 dispensing system components 2 fire suppression equipment 1 LNG dispensing systems 1 storage tanks 2) (fleet operators 2 independent retail 1 lube-only facilities 1 major retail 0 marine facilities 1) (fire suppression systems 1 fuel dispensing systems 1 LPG dispensing systems 1)

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MASTER SCHEDULE2011 Annual Cycledoc

2011 ANNUAL REVISION CYCLE

PROCESS STAGE PROCESS STEP

DATES FOR TC

DATES FOR TCC

COMPLETION

DATE

VERIFY MATERIAL

IN FILE 1 PRELIMINARY 10 Notification of intent to enter cycle 71009 71009

2 REPORT ON PROPOSALS

(ROP)

21 Proposal closing date 112409 112409

22 Final date for ROP meeting 22610 2510 23 Final date for mailing TC ballots 31910 21910 24 Receipt of (TC) ballots by staff liaison 42310 31210 25 Receipt of TC recirculation ballots 5710 31910 26 Final date for TCC meeting 41610 27 Final date for mailing TCC ballots 42310 28 Receipt of TCC ballots 51410 29 Receipt of TCC recirculation ballots 52110 210 Final copy (w ballot statements) to Secretary Standards Council

51410 52810

211 Completion of Reports 52110 6410 212 ROP Published and Posted 62510 62510

3 REPORT ON

COMMENTS (ROC)

31 Comment closing date 9310 9310 32 Final date for ROC meeting 11510 10810 33 Final date for mailing TC ballots 111910 102210 34 Receipt of (TC) ballots by staff liaison 12310 111210 35 Receipt of TC recirculation ballots 121010 111910 36 Final date for TCC meeting 121710 37 Final date for mailing TCC ballots 122210 38 Receipt of TCC ballots 11411 39 Receipt of TCC recirculation ballots 12111 310 Final copy (w ballot statements) to Secretary Standards Council

122210 12811

311 Completion of Reports 11411 2411 312 ROC Published and Posted 22511 22511

TECH SESSION PREPARATION amp ISSUANCE OF

CONSENT DOCUMENTS

41 Notice of Intent to Make a Motion (NITMAM) Closing Date

4811 4811

42 Posting of Filed NITMAM 5611 5611 43 Council Issuance Date for Consent Documents 53111 53111 44 Appeal Closing Date for Consent Documents 61511 61511

TECHNICAL SESSION

50 Association Meeting for Documents with Certified Amending Motions

612-1611 612-1611

APPEALS amp ISSUANCE OF DOCUMENTS

WCAMS

61 Appeal closing date for Documents with Certified Amending Motions

7611 7611

62 Council issuance for Documents with Certified Amending Motions

8411 8411

Proposal Closing Dates may vary according to documents and schedules for Revision Cycles may change Please check the NFPA website (wwwnfpaorg) for the most up-to-date information on proposal closing dates and schedules

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TIA 9852010-06-15 ndash IFMA Counterproposaldoc

Proposed TIA to NFPA 30A-2008 1 Add a new definition of ldquoalcohol blended motor fuelrdquo to read as follows

ldquo33X Alcohol Blended Motor Fuel Motor fuel consisting of a blend of alcohol such as ethanol and gasoline with an alcohol concentration greater than 10 percent by volume including those with nominally 85 percent ethanol 15 percent unleaded gasoline (E85)rdquo

2 Revise 632 to read

ldquo632 Dispensing devices for Class I and II liquids shall be listed for the specific fuels being dispensed A632 See UL 87 Standard for Power-Operated Dispensing Devices for Petroleum Products or UL SU87A Outline for Power-Operated Dispensing Devices for Gasoline and GasolineEthanol Blends with Nominal Concentrations up to 85 Percent 6321 Existing listed or labeled dispensing devices shall be permitted to be modified provided that the modifications made are ldquoListed by Reportrdquo by an approved testing laboratory or as otherwise approved by the authority having jurisdiction Modification proposals shall contain a description of the component parts used in the modification and the recommended methods of installation on specific dispensing devices Modification proposals shall be made available to the authority having jurisdiction upon request 6322 Existing dispensing devices shall be listed for the specific fuel or fuels being dispensed 63221 Where existing dispensing devices are not listed for a specific fuel or fuels see Section 15 Equivalency A6322 1 The authority having jurisdiction by virtue of Section 15 may approve the use of existing equipment for fuels for which no listing is available Where the authority having jurisdiction approves the use of an existing dispensing device or existing related dispensing equipment for use with alcohol blended motor fuels the approval of the dispensing device and related dispensing equipment may be based on the following (1) The dispensing device and related dispensing equipment should be listed for dispensing of gasoline motor fuel and (2) The dispensing device and related dispensing equipment should be inspected by a person who is knowledgeable in the operation of the equipment to verify that it is in proper working order and is not leaking as described in (a) and (b) (a) A visual inspection of the fuel dispenser and its associated hanging hardware should be conducted ldquoHanging hardwarerdquo includes the following components that might be present hose nozzle valve hose breakaway valve and hose swivel Inspections should be conducted at least weekly and should be documented Documentation should be available for review by the authority having jurisdiction upon request (b) An inspection of the fuel-dispensing equipment that is located inside the dispenser cabinet should be conducted The interior of the dispenser cabinet should

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TIA 9852010-06-15 ndash IFMA Counterproposaldoc

be inspected for signs of leaks damage corrosion or weathering with particular attention to the sump area and joints and castings of fuel handling components The inspection should be conducted at least monthly and should be documented Documentation should be available for review by the authority having jurisdiction upon request (c) If a leak is discovered use of the affected dispensing device should be discontinued until repairs can be made The authority having jurisdiction is provided with the ability to approve for use with mid-level alcohol blended motor fuels (eg E15 15 percent ethanol 85 percent unleaded gasoline) dispensing devices and related dispensing equipment currently listed for use with E10 (10 percent ethanol 90 percent unleaded gasoline) Approval of the dispensing device or related dispensing equipment for use with alcohol blended motor fuel requires that the dispensing device and related dispensing equipment be listed for use with E10 and that periodic inspection be conducted to verify that the equipment is functioning properly Useful forms for documenting inspections can be found in PEIRP500-05 Recommended Practices for Inspection and Maintenance of Motor Fuel Dispensing Equipment and are also available at wwwpeiorgrp500 In addition the authority having jurisdiction may take into account other factors including actual field experience evidence of compatibility (eg manufacturerrsquos declaration) and functionality by government agencies trade associations and testing laboratories Underwriters Laboratories Inc has listed dispensing devices and related dispensing equipment for alcohol blended motor fuels up to E10 and more recently has begun listing dispensing devices for alcohol blended motor fuels up to E25 (25 percent ethanol 75 percent unleaded gasoline) However the majority of existing dispensing devices and related dispensing equipment currently in service at motor fuel dispensing facilities are not listed for use with alcohol blended motor fuels with more than 10 percent ethanol While higher alcohol blended motor fuels (eg E85 85 percent ethanol 15 percent unleaded gasoline) are typically sold as an alternative to E10 the mid-level alcohol blended motor fuels such as E15 if approved by the U S Environmental Protection Agency might likely become a replacement for current motor fuels either through state or federal mandates or because of supply chain restrictions In order to maintain the supply of motor fuel this might require the sale of mid-level blends through the existing dispensing devices and related dispensing equipmentrdquo

3 Revise 651 to read

ldquo651 Listed hose assemblies shall be used to dispense fuels shall be listed for the specific fuels being dispensed Hose length at automotive motor fuel dispensing facilities shall not exceed 55 m (18 ft) Where hose length at marine motor fuel dispensing facilities exceeds 55 m (18 ft) the hose shall be secured so as to protect it from damage (See A63221)rdquo

4 Revise 661 to read

ldquo661 An automatic-closing-type hose nozzle valve listed in accordance with UL 842 Standard for Valves for Flammable Fluids and listed for the specific fuels being dispensed with or without latch-open device shall be provided on island-type dispensing devices used to dispense Class I or Class II liquids (See A63221)rdquo

5 Revise 681 and 682 to read

TIA 9852010-06-15 ndash IFMA Counterproposaldoc

ldquo681 Dispensing devices that incorporate vapor recovery shall be listed for the specific fuels being dispensed (See A63221) 682 Hose nozzle valves used on vapor recovery systems shall be listed for the purpose and for the specific fuels being dispensed (See A63221)rdquo

6 Add a new entry to Table B1 Typical Flammable and Combustible Liquids Found at Motor Fuel Dispensing Facilities to read as follows

ldquoAlcohol Blended Motor Fuel -40 degF ndash 55 degF Class IB varies nardquo A6321 proposed 6231 and its annex all becomes annex material gtgtgt New lead-in Where modifications are made 2 Add a new Subsection 623 and an accompanying annex text to read as follows A6322 Where dispensing devices and related dispensing equipment including dispensers hoses nozzles breakaway fittings swivels flexible connectors dispenser emergency shutoff valves and vapor recovery systems and pumps are propose for use for alcohol blended motor fuels they should be listed Where there is currently no listing see 15 for equivalencies Section 15 permits the authority having jurisdiction to approve non-listed components for the specific for the specific fuel being dispensed Where the authority having jurisdiction approves the use of a dispensing device or related dispensing equipment for use with alcohol blended motor fuels the approval of the dispensing device and related dispensing equipment could include the following (1) The dispensing device and related dispensing equipment shall be listed for dispensing of gasoline motor fuel and (2) The dispensing device and related dispensing equipment shall be periodically inspected by a person who is knowledgeable in the operation of the equipment to verify that it is in proper working order and is not leaking as described in (a) and (b) (a) A visual inspection of the fuel dispenser and its associated hanging hardware shall be conducted ldquoHanging hardwarerdquo shall include the following components that might be present hose nozzle valve hose breakaway valve and hose swivel Inspections shall be conducted at least weekly and shall be documented Documentation shall be available for review by the authority having jurisdiction upon request (b) An inspection of the fuel-dispensing equipment that is located inside the dispenser cabinet shall be conducted The interior of the dispenser cabinet shall be inspected for signs of leaks damage corrosion or weathering with particular attention to the sump area and joints and castings of fuel handling components The inspection shall be conducted at least monthly and shall be documented Documentation shall be available for review by the authority having jurisdiction upon request NEEDS TO TELL WHAT TO DO BEYOND MERE DOCUMENTATION ALSO NEED TO REPLACE ldquoPERIODICrdquo WITH FIRM TIME A623 See UL SU87A Outline for Power-Operated Dispensing Devices for Gasoline and GasolineEthanol Blends with Nominal Concentrations up to 85 Percent

TIA 9852010-06-15 ndash IFMA Counterproposaldoc

A6231 The authority having jurisdiction is provided with the ability to approve for use with mid-level alcohol blended motor fuels (eg E15 15 percent ethanol 85 percent unleaded gasoline) dispensing devices and related dispensing equipment currently listed for use with E10 (10 percent ethanol 90 percent unleaded gasoline) Approval of the dispensing device or related dispensing equipment for use with alcohol blended motor fuel requires that the dispensing device and related dispensing equipment be listed for use with E10 and that periodic inspection be conducted to verify that the equipment is functioning properly Useful forms for documenting inspections can be found in PEIRP500-05 Recommended Practices for Inspection and Maintenance of Motor Fuel Dispensing Equipment and are also available at wwwpeiorgrp500 In addition the authority having jurisdiction may take into account other factors including actual field experience evidence of compatibility (eg manufacturerrsquos declaration) and functionality by government agencies trade associations and testing laboratories Underwriters Laboratories Inc has listed dispensing devices and related dispensing equipment for alcohol blended motor fuels up to E10 and more recently has begun listing dispensing devices for alcohol blended motor fuels up to E25 (25 percent ethanol 75 percent unleaded gasoline) However the majority of existing dispensing devices and related dispensing equipment currently in service at motor fuel dispensing facilities are not listed for use with alcohol blended motor fuels with more than 10 percent ethanol While higher alcohol blended motor fuels (eg E85 85 percent ethanol 15 percent unleaded gasoline) are typically sold as an alternative to E10 the mid-level alcohol blended motor fuels such as E15 if approved by the U S Environmental Protection Agency might likely become a replacement for current motor fuels either through state or federal mandates or because of supply chain restrictions In order to maintain the supply of motor fuel this might require the sale of mid-level blends through the existing dispensing devices and related dispensing equipmentrdquo

Comm LogCommAction

TechComm Section

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Seq

1 4363- ( )30A- AUV-AAA A2011

2 544 and 642- ( )30A- AUV-AAA A2011

3 Table 831- ( )30A- AUV-AAA A2011

4 33 Various Definitions (New)- ( )30A- AUV-AAA A2011

5 92- ( )30A- AUV-AAA A2011

6 233- ( )30A- AUV-AAA A2011

7 11721 (New)- ( )30A- AUV-AAA A2011

8 623 (New)- ( )30A- AUV-AAA A2011

9 Figure 831(B)- ( )30A- AUV-AAA A2011

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6 233- ( )30A- AUV-AAA A2011

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1 4363- ( )30A- AUV-AAA A2011

2 544 and 642- ( )30A- AUV-AAA A2011

8 623 (New)- ( )30A- AUV-AAA A2011

3 Table 831- ( )30A- AUV-AAA A2011

9 Figure 831(B)- ( )30A- AUV-AAA A2011

5 92- ( )30A- AUV-AAA A2011

7 11721 (New)- ( )30A- AUV-AAA A2011

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Report on Comments ndash June 2011 NFPA 30A_______________________________________________________________________________________________30A- Log 6

_______________________________________________________________________________________________John F Bender Underwriters Laboratories Inc

30A-6Revise text as follows

Underwriters Laboratories Inc 333 Pfingsten Road Northbrook IL 60062-2096UL 87 Standard for Power-Operated Dispensing Devices for Petroleum Products 2001 Revised 2008ANSIUL 842 Standard for Valves for Flammable Fluids 2007 Revised 2010UL 2080 Standard for Fire Resistant Tanks for Flammable and Combustible Liquids 2000ANSIUL 2085 Standard for Protected Aboveground Tanks for Flammable and Combustible Liquids 1997 Revised

1999UL 2245 Standard for Below-Grade Vaults for Flammable Liquid Storage Tanks 2006

Updated referenced standards to most recent revisions Add ANSI approval designation to ANSIUL842 and ANSIUL 2085

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Report on Comments ndash June 2011 NFPA 30A_______________________________________________________________________________________________30A- Log 4

_______________________________________________________________________________________________Marshall A Klein Marshall A Klein amp Associates Inc

30A-7Revise text to read as follows

331 Basement Basement For the purposes of this code a story of a building or structure having one-half or more ofits height below ground level and to which access for fire-fighting purposes is restricted [302008] Any story of a buildingwholly or partly below grade plane that is not considered the first story above grade plane (Also see 33X ldquoFirst StoryAbove Grade Planerdquo 33Y ldquoGrade Planerdquo and 33Z ldquoStoryrdquo) [5000 2009]33X First Story Above Grade Plane Any story having its finished floor surface entirely above grade plane except

that a basement shall be considered as a first story above grade plane where the finished surface of the floor above thebasement is (1) more than 6 ft (1830 mm) above grade plane or (2) more than 12 ft (3660 mm) above the finished levelat any point (See also 33Z ldquoStoryrdquo) [5000 2009]33Z Story The portion of a building located between the upper surface of a floor and the upper surface of the floor or

roof next above [5000 2009]33Y Grade Plane A reference plane representing the average of the finished ground level adjoining the building at all

exterior walls When the finished ground level slopes down from the exterior walls the grade plane is established by thelowest points within the area between the building and the lot line or when the lot line is more than 6 ft (1830 mm) fromthe building between the building and a point 6 ft (1830 mm) from the building (See also 33W ldquoFinished Ground Level(Graderdquo) [5000 2009]33W Finished Ground Level (Grade) The level of the finished ground (earth or other surface on ground) (See also33Y ldquoGrade Planerdquo) [5000 2009]

The Committeersquos substantiation for this Committee Proposal was ldquoThis definition is the preferreddefinition from the NFPA Glossary of Terms Changing the secondary definition to the preferred definition complies withthe Glossary of Terms Projectrdquo Also the Committeersquos statement said in part ldquohellipThe key issue relative to NFPA 30A issafe access to and evacuation from the basement area by emergency responders during an emergencyrdquo

Since the first edition of the NFPA 5000 Building Code the NFPA 30A Committee has attempted to be in correlationwith NFPA 5000 and the other Model Building Code in the the United States IBC The dispensing facilities and repairgarage buildings constructed under the NFPA 30A are also required to comply with the local building code which will beeither NFPA 5000 or IBC The proposed definition for ldquobasementrdquo that is taken from NFPA 30 is more suited for thelarger flammable and combustible types of facilities built under NFPA 30 not the service centersrepair garages builtunder NFPA 30A and the building codes

NFPA 30A should stay with its present position to correlate with the definition for a ldquobasementrdquo with NFPA 5000ldquoBuilding Construction and safety Coderdquo and not replace this definition with the one that is in NFPA 30 ldquoFlammable andCombustible Liquids Coderdquo

The term ldquobasementrdquo is only used in the NFPA 30A Code in Section 423 that deals with ignitable vapors in abasement or pit and Section 746 that applies when sprinklers are required to be installed in the basement of a majorrepair garage The two NFPA 30A sections on basements relate more to the application of the requirements in NFPA5000 and IBC than to the requirements in NFPA 30 ldquoFlammable and Combustible Liquids Coderdquo As I have notedabove during the development of the NFPA 5000 Building Code the NFPA 30A Committee was very careful tocorrelate its requirements with NFPA 5000 NFPA 101 amp IBC so that there would be minimum conflicts in theapplication of the requirements of NFPA 30A with these other Codes that greatly impact the design and construction ofMotor Fuel Dispensing Facilities and Repair Garages The definition of ldquobasementrdquo is critically important forbuilding design and should be correlated with the building codes used throughout the US and we should not use adifferent definition for basement that would cause confusion and cost in the design and application of the NFPA 30Arequirements where NFPA 5000 NFPA 101 or IBC Codes are also adopted

I have also included the addition of the definitions of ldquoFirst Story Above Grade Planerdquo ldquoStoryrdquo ldquoGrade Planerdquo andldquoFinished Ground Level (Grade)rdquo from NFPA 5000 to provide complete correlation on these building definitions withNFPA 5000 and the IBC For individuals using NFPA 30A that are only used to working with NFPA 30 these definitions

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Report on Comments ndash June 2011 NFPA 30Amay seem like overkill but to the great majority of code officials designers and owners of these types of dispensingfacilities and repair garages correlation of these terms with NFPA 5000 and IBC are critical to prevent major conflictsdelays and cost increases in interpretations and applications of code requirements between the building departmentsand fire departments

In summation based on the two sections in NFPA 30A that cover a ldquobasementrdquo requirement it serves the public interestbetter to use the ldquobasementrdquo definition and its related building definitions from NFPA 5000 to properly correlate with themodel buildings codes not NFPA 30

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Report on Comments ndash June 2011 NFPA 30A_______________________________________________________________________________________________30A- Log 1

_______________________________________________________________________________________________Alex Ralston Petcon Inc

NARevise text to read as follows

Means shall be provided to sound an audible alarm when the liquid level in the tank reaches 90 percent of capacityMeans shall also be provided either to automatically stop the flow of liquid into the tank when the liquid level reaches 98percent capacity or to restrict the flow of liquid into the tank to a maximum flow rate of 95L min (25 gpm) when theliquid level in the tank reaches 95 percent capacityThe federal underground storage tank rules state that means shall be provided to stop the flow of liquid into the tank

when the liquid reaches 95 percent capacity or restrict the flow into the tank when the liquid level reaches 90 percentcapacity

None given

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Report on Comments ndash June 2011 NFPA 30A_______________________________________________________________________________________________30A- Log 2

_______________________________________________________________________________________________Alex Ralston Petcon Inc

NARevise text to read as follows

On remote pressure pumping systems each pump shall have installed on the discharge side a listed leak detectiondevice that will provide an audible or visible indication if the piping and dispensing devices are not liquid tight Replace with device that will either restrict the flow of product to the dispenser or shut-off the flow of product to

indicate if the piping and dispensing devices are liquid tightThe explanation attempts to explain the federal underground storage tank regulations however the

regulation that provides for an audible or visible alarm relates to overfill prevention in federal regulations not leakdetectionThe regulations on leak detection for pressurized piping in the explanation are correct but if youll note nowhere in the

explanation is audible or visual alarms mentioned

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Report on Comments ndash June 2011 NFPA 30A_______________________________________________________________________________________________30A- Log 8

_______________________________________________________________________________________________Robert Bourke Northeastern Regional Fire Code Development Committee

30A-42Revise to read 623 Fuel-dispensing systems including dispensers hoses nozzleshelliphelliphellip

blended motor fuels shall be listed or approved for the specific purposeThis requirement should only be stating that the equipment is listed for the specific purpose

ldquoApprovedrdquo by definition means ldquoacceptable to the AHJrdquoToo often a Standard may misuse the word ldquoapprovedrdquo in order to not exclude other listing organizations that publish

its list in a document that they refer to as an ldquoApproval Guiderdquo Regardless the document is still a listing

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Report on Comments ndash June 2011 NFPA 30A_______________________________________________________________________________________________30A- Log 3

_______________________________________________________________________________________________David B Wechsler The Dow Chemical Company

30A-34Revise and add new sentences shown under 831 and A831 and modify Table 831 as

indicated831 Table 831 shall be used to delineate and classify areas for the purposes of installing electrical wiring and

electrical utilization equipment (See also Figure 831) WARNING The US National Electrical Code has differentequipment and installation requirements from other International Standards Therefore for example equipment used inEurope may not be acceptable for installation in the USA831 The designation and decision installation and use of electrical equipment for Classes and Divisions in

hazardous (classified) locations are defined Article 500 501 and 504 of NFPA 70 National Electrical Code Thedesignation and design installation and use of electrical equipment for Classes and Zones in hazardous (classified)locations are defined in Article 505 and 504 of NFPA 70 National Electrical Code The designation and designinstallation and use of electrical equipment in lsquoZonesrsquo Zone 0 Zone 1 and Zone 2 are addressed in other internationalstandardsWithin Table 831 add a new column titled ldquoZones and copy the information from the Class I Zone column into this

new columnAlternatively to all of the above remove the ldquoZonesrdquo column completely from Table 831

While the stated intent of this proposal is understood as being to try and deal with the internationalnature of applying NFPA 30A there are problems with the approach presented by a simple extraction from the NECFirst as presented the new column only addresses the US Zone methodology The US Zone methodology for

flammable vapor gases liquids and combustible vapors and liquids is identified by the terms lsquoClass I Zone 0rsquo lsquoClass IZone 1rsquo and lsquoClass I Zone 2rsquo However under the IEC or ATEX (aka Europe International) the terms are simply lsquoZone0rsquo lsquoZone 1rsquo or lsquoZone 2rsquo Therefore the table revision is not correct for international useSecond this TIA and proposal was to lsquoincorporate the (European) Zone System of designating hazardous (classified)

locations and the allowable wiring methods and electrical utilization devices that can be used in themrsquo However the USNEC is not an international code Thus while the US NEC Article 505 does permit the use of the Class I Zonemethodology adding this column in NFPA 30A does not address the more complex nature of the design and installationproblems associated with Zone certified equipment in the US The NEC under Article 5059 Equipment provides for theuse of only AEx equipment as may be seen for example under paragraph ldquo(2) Zone Equipment Equipment meeting oneor more of the protection techniques described in 5058 shall be marked with all of the following in the order shown(1) Class(2) Zone(3) Symbol ldquoAExrdquo(4) Protection technique(s) in accordance with Table 5059(C)(2)(4)(5) Applicable gas classification group(s) in accordance with Table 9(C)(1)(2)Without adding additional text usersinspectors etc may think using Zones is just like using the Division methodology

This is not true and equipment not otherwise permitted under the US NEC may be installed because of the impliedactions currently reflected in this proposal This is a significant issue

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Report on Comments ndash June 2011 NFPA 30A_______________________________________________________________________________________________30A- Log 9

_______________________________________________________________________________________________Donald R Offerdahl North Dakota State Electrical Board

30A-36Insert figure for 831(B)

Insert Artwork Figure 831(A) and 831(B) Here

Proposal 30A-36 should have been accepted in principal these types of storage tanks and dispensersare widely used in farms construction sites and business fleet operations

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Report on Comments ndash June 2011 NFPA 30A_______________________________________________________________________________________________30A- Log 5

_______________________________________________________________________________________________Mindy Wang Ampco Safety Tools

30A-39Not proposing new text Please see comment in Substantiation

Although procedures for cleanup of spills is not within the scope of NFPA 30A we feel compelled toaddress API 2214 referenced by the Committee Information presented below shows API 2214 is misleading andundermines safe work practices In fact API 2214 conflicts with OSHA regulations Accredited Standards Developerrsquosstandards and safe work practices FM Approvals LLC formerly Factory Mutual Research Corporation (FM) is an international organization recognized

by the US government as a Nationally Recognized Testing Laboratory (NRTL) for scientific research and productcertification Product approval from a NRTL assures that products meet consensus-based standards of safety to providethe assurance required by OSHA that these products are safe for use in the United States workplace FM ApprovalStandard 7910 Spark Resistant Tools is used as guidance to evaluate tools intended for use in environments wherethere is a risk of ignition of flammable materials dusts or vapors resulting from sparks created by iron and steel handtools These tools prevent the ignition of flammable materials dusts or vapors by mechanical sparks created by the useof iron and steel hand tools slipping or striking a surface American Petroleum Institute (API) Publication 2214contradicts NRTL research and product certification as evidence in FM Approvals granted for spark resistance toolsFM has conducted tests of Ampco Safety Tools as covered in Report Job Identification No IN4A0AF in accordancewith the requirements of Safety Tools Approval Test Procedure Class 7910 and test results show

Sparks created from steel plates ignited carbon disulfide saturated pads eight of eight tests ethyl ether pads fiveof eight tests and naphtha VMampP four of eight tests

No sparks were observed and no ignition of the flammable liquids mentioned above from approved Ampco SafetyTools Other investigations also contradict APIrsquos conclusion on non-sparking tools A paper published in the Fire Protection

Journal ldquoThe Danger of Incendive Sparksrdquo stated that after APIrsquos conclusion on ldquonon-sparkingrdquo tools Institute ofPetroleum sought the advice of the Fire Research Board Committee on Industrial Fires and Explosion This committeecame to certain conclusions one of which was ldquoUntilhellipevidence is obtained to show that the impact of steel hand toolson steel is safe it is advisable to use non-sparking tools in situations where flammable atmospheres are unavoidablerdquo The NFPA Fire Protection Handbook 20th edition published in January 2008 does not support the conclusion that

API 2214 represents In fact many NFPA codes the use of ldquonon-sparkingrdquo tools in flammable atmospheresAccording to NFPA Fire Protection Handbook ldquoWhen flammable and combustible liquids are stored or handled theliquid is usually exposed to the air at some stage in the operation except where the storage is confined to sealedcontainers that are not filled or opened on the premises or where handling is in closed systems and vapor losses arerecovered Even when the storage or handling is in a closed system there is always the possibility of breaks or leakswhich permit the liquid to escape It is a to eliminate sources of ignition in places where low flashpointflammable liquids are stored handled or used even though no vapor may ordinarily be presentrdquo NFPA 921 Guide for Fire and Explosion Investigations 2008 Edition Chapter 5 Basic Fire Science Table 5711

Reported Burning and Sparking Temperature of Selected Ignition Sources under Mechanical Sparks lists a Steel tooltemperature at 2550degF When working with flammable gases liquids or vapors a potential hazard arises because of thepossibility that sparks produced by steel or iron tools can become an ignition source OSHA Flammable and Combustible Liquids regulation 29 CFR Parts 1910106(b) on tank storage paragraph

1910106(b)(6) states that precaution shall be taken to eliminate or control sources of ignitions including frictional heatand mechanical sparks to prevent the ignition of flammable vapors In OSHA regulation 29 CFR 1910146 Permit-Required Confined Spaces Appendix D Confined Space Pre-Entry

Check List non-sparking tool is listed as one type of entry equipment OSHA 29 CFR 1910146 StandardInterpretations Interpretative guidance and equipment approved for hazardous locations relative to the Permit-RequiredConfined Spaces states that ldquohellipthe standard does not prohibit entry into a permit space where a hazardous flammableatmosphere is at or above the 10 LFL For concentrations at or above 10 LFL paragraph (d) would theemployer to incorporate safe work procedures to address the flammableexplosive hazard (such as equipment approvedfor hazardous locations) in the entry plan for those spaces Electrical equipment as well as other sources of ignition(non-sparking hand tools) be considered and addressed for the hazardous atmosphererdquo OSHA regulation 29 CFR Parts 1910120 Hazardous waste operations and emergency response paragraph

1910120(j)(2)(v) requires that ldquoWhen there is a reasonable possibility of flammable atmospheres being present

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Report on Comments ndash June 2011 NFPA 30Amaterial handling equipment and hand tools shall be of the type to prevent sources of ignition EPA has identifiedsolvents such as xylene acetone ethyl acetate ethyl benzene and ethyl ether commonly used in all industries (theF-list) and discarded commercial chemical products such as acetone benzene ethyl ether and xylene (the P-list andU-list) as ignitable hazardous wastes API members such as ExxonMobil and Chevron as well as others in the petroleum industry such as Valero CITGO

Petroleum Corporation Chem-Supply Pty Ltd Irving Oil Ltd Petrol Star Inc Nova Chemicals and El Paso Corporationregularly the use of ldquonon-sparkingrdquo tools under Accidental Release Measures and Handling and Storage sectionsin the MSDSrsquos for their petroleum products These companies clearly recognize the need for ldquonon-sparkingrdquo tools inworking with and around flammable materials API 2214 Section 12 Background ldquohellipthese engineers pointed out that although numerous opportunities existed for

the production of sparks from violent contact of steel objects with other steel objects there was a negligible record offires resulting from such a causerdquo On the contrary there are a number of documented incidents involving flammablevapors ignited by steel sparks from tools A few examples are as follows

OSHA inspection 300965795 an employee in the process of cleaning loose material from drill piping with ametal hammer While striking the pipe with a hammer an explosion occurred Employee was killed in the explosion onsite

OSHA inspection 2272953 two employees were assigned the job of tending a 100 gallon (water jacket) reactorkettle of methyl methacrylate in the mixing room Employee 1 used a metal wrench (visegrips) to pry open the cover ofa kettle The wrench handle struck the angle iron support for the agitator motor producing a spark Employee 2noticed the spark which was immediately followed by a massive ldquofire ballrdquo Both employees were engulfed in thefireball Employee 3 came to the area to assist the other employees The investigation states that non-sparking toolswere not provided for the employees All three employees received first and second degree burns on their face armsand abdomen Employee 2 also received some third degree burns All three employees were hospitalized

OSHA inspection 124728437 Employee 1 and a coworker both maintenance mechanics were working in a 30inch by 36 inch manhole at a gas station Employee 1 was trying to change a fuel pump while the coworker watchedfrom outside the manhole Employee 1 was using an Allen wrench to loosen the bolts on the fuel pump lead when hecreated a spark that ignited the gas fumes in the manhole causing an explosion Employee 1 suffered burns to hisface hands arms and legs in the explosion and was hospitalized

OSHA inspection 111109237 Employee 1 or 3 attempted to cut a metal pipe with a metal saw whileEmployee 2 was standing on top of one of two 5000 gallon gas tanks trying to remove a tank fitting Sparks from thesaw the pipe wrench or another unknown source ignited the gas vapors which exploded Employees 1 and 3 werekilled of burns at the scene Employee 2 died at the burn center as a result of burns sustained in the explosion

OSHA inspection 102826625 Employee 1 worked for a company that cleans paints and replaces valves in LPand MAPP gas cylinders Before removing an old valve Employee 1 would open the valve to let the residual gas leakout on the loading dock Where there was a large quantity of cylinders Employee 1 would invert the cylinder so theresidual gas could vent faster Employee 1 had an accumulation of a gas and air mixture around his work area Thevapors were ignited either by a spark from the metal screwdriver he was using to open a damaged valve or by an openflame burner approximately 40 feet away There was a fire and explosion The employee sustained 2nd and 3rd degreeburns on the lower half of his body and was hospitalized

OSHA inspection 607366 an employee was sawing an airplane wing into sections with a portable powered handsaw the saw created a spark that caused an explosion of gasoline vapors in the wing fuel tank Employee 1 killed andEmployee 2 injured in explosion and was hospitalized

OSHA inspection 309178523 employer was cited for violating Section 5(a)(1) of the Occupational Safety andHealth Act of 1970 often referred to as the General Duty Clause which requires employers to furnish to each of hisemployees employment and a place of employment which are free from recognized hazards that are causing or arelikely to cause death or serious physical harm to his employees for exposing employee to an explosion hazard byopening the hydrogen tube trailer main valve without using non-sparking tools

OSHA inspection 304994304 employer was cited for violating Section 5(a)(1) of the Occupational Safety andHealth Act of 1970 violation for exposing employee to a fireexplosion hazard while performing maintenance operationson LP gas tanks with ferrous tools One feasible and acceptable abatement method to correct this hazard is toimplement the use of non- sparking toolsThe Report of the BP US Refineries independent Safety Review Panel also known as the Baker Panel Report states

that ldquoPreventing process accidents requires vigilance The passing of time without a process accident is not necessarilyan indicator that all is well and may contribute to a dangerous and growing sense of complacencyrdquo This sample ofOSHA documented events illustrates accidents do happen when proper safety measures are not taken againstmechanical sparks from steel tools as a possible ignition sourceHaving said that we appreciate the Committeersquos time and agree with the Committee that procedures for cleanup of

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Report on Comments ndash June 2011 NFPA 30Aspills is not within the scope of NFPA 30A

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Report on Comments ndash June 2011 NFPA 30A_______________________________________________________________________________________________30A- Log 7

_______________________________________________________________________________________________Robert Bourke Northeastern Regional Fire Code Development Committee

30A-19Add a new section to read 11721 Where approved by the Authority Having Jurisdiction piers

that extend more than 152 m (500 ft) in travel distance from shore shall be permitted to provide a Class I standpipe thatis installed in accordance with NFPA 14 Standard for the Installation of Standpipe and Hose Systems

The TC missed the point in the substantiation of the proposalIt was not the intent of the proposal to obtain additional flexibility of FD use over that which is provided by a Class III

standpipe system The intent of the proposal was to provide relief from the requirement where the local AHJ feels thatthe effectiveness and likelihood of occupant use of fire hoses does not justify the added risk to the occupant or theinstallation and maintenance costs associated with the requisite hose for a Class III system A Class I system would stillprovide FD fire fighting capabilities in jurisdictions where the AHJ prefers occupants to evacuate and not attempt to fightfires beyond portable fire extinguisher capability

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From Benedetti BobTo bcotnerswriorgCc Harrington Greg Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiBcc May PaulSubject Inquiry NFPA 30 amp NFPA 30ADate Thursday July 08 2010 121900 PM

Good Morning Mr Cotner Greg Harrington asked that I respond to your question about the proper use ofintermediate bulk containers Actually an intermediate bulk container is a shipping vessel that must meetrequirements and specifications of the U S Department of Transportation for shippingmaterials from Point A to Point B It is not intended to be a storage vessel althoughthe liquid contained is obviously dispensed from the vessel for use Dispensing of motor fuels is covered by NFPA 30A Code for Motor Fuel DispensingFacilities and Repair Garages NFPA 30A states in Subsection 421 421 Liquids shall be stored in the following(1) Approved closed containers that do not exceed 227 L (60 gal) capacity and arelocated outside buildings(2) Tanks or approved closed containers located inside motor fuel dispensingfacilities or repair garages(3) Aboveground tanks underground tanks and containers in accordance with therequirements of Section 43(4) Tanks supplying marine service stations in accordance with Section 112 Section 43 states the following 432 Aboveground Storage Tanks Except as modified by the provisions of thissubsection aboveground storage tanks shall meet all applicable requirements ofChapters 21 through 23 and 27 of NFPA 30 Flammable and Combustible Liquids Code So in accordance with NFPA 30A Subsection 421(3) indicates that abovegroundstorage of motor fuel must be in a tank that meets the provisions of Section 43 Thelatter in turn references the Chapters in NFPA 30 that deal with fixed storage tanks Nowhere in these chapters is there any reference to an intermediate bulk container Chapter 9 of NFPA 30 does recognize an intermediate bulk container for warehouse-type storage of Class I flammable liquids but does not anticipate continual dispensingand use One could evaluate an intermediate bulk container as a means of long-term storageand dispensing of liquids under the Equivalency clause My opinion is that an intermediate bulk container is not considered a substitute for anaboveground storage tank but this is not specifically stated in the relevant codes This issue will be added to the agendas for the Technical Committees involved Please understand that this response is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 ofNFPArsquos Regulations Governing Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon todefinitively determine compliance with any laws ordinances rules or regulations Todetermine legal compliance you should refer to the appropriate authority havingjurisdiction or seek legal advice It is not intended nor should it be relied upon toprovide professional consultation or services To determine the adequacy or safety ofany device or installation you should consult with an appropriate professional

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I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write Iwill be happy to assist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant toNFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does notnecessarily represent the official position of the NFPA or its Technical Committees Inaddition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it be relied upon to provideprofessional consultation or services cc 30IFI 30AIFI AUVNM FLCSWCNM FLCTANNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

If you have a reported fire in your home the risk of dyingdecreases by about 80 percent when sprinklers are present

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From Harrington Greg Sent Wednesday July 07 2010 350 PMTo Benedetti BobSubject FW Intermediate Bulk Containers Hi Bob Can you answer the question below Hersquos a friend of mine former inspector with San Antonio FD when Iworked down there now a safety guy at SWRI Thanks a lot --Greg

From Bill Cotner [mailtobcotnerswriorg] Sent Wednesday July 07 2010 332 PMTo Harrington GregSubject Intermediate Bulk Containers Hey Greg howrsquos the heat in Boston here it is a balmy 93 enjoying it I have a question probably out ofyour area but Irsquom sure you know who to route it to We have a group here that wants to dispense fuelfrom a stainless steel IBC into test engines I donrsquot think that is the intended use or what it has beenlisted for Can I get some guidance on this issue I appreciate anything you can do for me Bill Bill CotnerSenior Fire SpecialistEnvironmental Safety and Quality SystemsSouthwest Research InstitutePhone (210) 522-5101Fax (210) 522-5093Mobile (210) 669-7005Email bcotner swriorg

From Benedetti BobTo Ebanks DesmondCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiBcc May PaulSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Monday June 14 2010 35400 PM

Good afternoon Mr Ebanks The intent of Subsection 422 of NFPA 30A Code for Motor Fuel Dispensing Facilities and RepairGarages is that there be no direct piped connection between the aboveground storage tank inthe bulk plant and the fuel dispensing device in the motor fuel dispensing facility In my opinionthis includes any intervening underground storage tank The hazard being addressed is the potential to overfill the underground storage tank due to thestatic head of the liquid in the aboveground storage tank Please understand that this response is a personal opinion and does not constitute a FormalInterpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 of NFPArsquos RegulationsGoverning Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitively determine compliancewith any laws ordinances rules or regulations To determine legal compliance you shouldrefer to the appropriate authority having jurisdiction or seek legal advice It is not intended norshould it be relied upon to provide professional consultation or services To determine theadequacy or safety of any device or installation you should consult with an appropriateprofessional I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will behappy to assist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPARegulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarilyrepresent the official position of the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition thiscorrespondence is neither intended nor should it be relied upon to provide professional consultation orservices cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg Attend the premier event for fire life safety and electrical professionals

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From Ebanks Desmond [mailtoDesmondEbanksgovky] Sent Monday May 24 2010 940 AMTo Benedetti BobSubject bulk storage supply to motor fuel facilities Hi Bob NFPA 30A (2003) 422 gives to positions in relation to motor fuel dispensing facilities (mfdf) that I would like to havefurther clarified for Code intent please The first is that dispensing devices at the mfdf shall not be supplied by ASTs located in the bulk plant Does this implythat supply from a UST (underground storage tank) in the bulk storage facility would be acceptable or to the other extentthat even if the bulk AST supplied a loading rack which in turn supplied a UST both in the bulk facility that supplyfrom the bulk AST is still not permitted The second statement refers to any storage tank at the mfdf saying they shall not be connected by piping to bulkfacility ASTs Similarly does this imply that a UST (underground storage tank) in the bulk storage facility would beacceptable or that if the bulk tank was connected to a loading rack and the loading rack connected by non-permanentmeans to an mfdf tank that this would be permissible RegardsDes EbanksAssistant Petroleum InspectorThe Petroleum InspectorateCayman Islands GovernmentAnderson Square 4th floorPO Box 31213Grand CaymanKY1-1205Cayman IslandsOffice 345 244 3458Mobile 345 925 3317Fax 345 949 0920Email desmondebanksgovky

From Benedetti BobTo Shriniwas BodhankarCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiBcc May PaulSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Monday June 14 2010 50100 PM

Good day Sir There has been no discussion by the Technical Committee on Automotive and Marine ServiceStations to alter the separation distances in Table 4324 of NFPA 30A Code for Motor FuelDispensing Facilities and Repair Garages as they pertain to liquid fuels including high flashpoint diesel fuels Also there have been no proposals to make such a change to NFPA 30A I trust this answers your question R P Benedetti cc -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

Attend the premier event for fire life safety and electrical professionals

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From Shriniwas Bodhankar [mailtobodhankarenoccom] Sent Tuesday June 01 2010 536 AMTo Maynard Mary Benedetti BobSubject NFPA 30 A Dear sir Reference is made to table no 4324 of NFPA code 30A specifying the minimum distance between storagetanks and dispensing equipment A dispenser should be placed minimum 50 feet away from a bunded abovegroundsteel tank to meet this requirementIn our opinion this is too stringent and uncalled for in case of high flash diesel ( Flash point above 65 degreecentigrade) A bunded tank where spill can be contained within bund is as safe as a vaulted tankfire resistanttankprotected tank Therefore it is equally safe to install an approved dispensing device immediately outside thebund provided the vent of the tank is 4 meters above the grade level on which the dispensing device is installedVarious international oil companies like SHELL amp BP carry similar installations for their fleet customers of dieselMoreover there are standard skids being marketed in EUROPE (even for gasoline) which have storage tanks and

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dispensers on same skid and such an arrangement is accepted by ldquoAuthority Having Jurisdictionrdquo(AHJ)Kindly advise if this standard requirement is being reviewed or otherwise if based on performance based designsuch a requirement may be waived or considered as ldquo highly recommendedrdquo in the leastBased on your feedback we wish to discuss this with AHJ in UAE Regards Regards Shriniwas BodhankarSenior EHS Compliance Officer( Special Projects)Group EHSQ Compliance DepartmentEmirates National Oil Company Limited (ENOC) LLC ENOC House I PO Box 6442Dubai United Arab EmiratesDirect +971 4 313 4437Fax +971 4 313 4482bodhankarenoccom | wwwenoccom

This message together with any attachments contains confidential information and is intended only for the use of theaddressee(s) and may contain information which is covered by legal professional or other privilege If you are not theintended recipient please inform the sender immediately and delete this e-mail You should not copy this e-mail or use itfor any purpose nor disclose its contents to any other person ENOC does not warrant that this transmission is virus freeand will not be liable for any damages resulting from any virus ENOC Dubai UAE

From Benedetti BobTo EActonccfireusCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiBcc May PaulSubject Inquiry NFPA 30A amp NFPA 30Date Monday August 02 2010 44400 PMAttachments DSC06169JPG

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Good day Mr Acton Fire protection provisions for major and minor repair garages and ldquolube-onlyrdquofacilities which is the topic of your concern are provided in NFPA 30A Code for MotorFuel Dispensing Facilities and Repair Garages currently 2008 edition Chapter 5 ofNFPA 30A covers piping systems but its specific provisions focus on piping systemsbetween fuel storage tanks and fuel dispensers Chapter 5 also directly referencesChapter 27 of the 2008 edition of NFPA 30 Flammable and Combustible Liquids Code(successor to Chapter 5 of the 2003 edition) Subsection 527 of NFPA 30A allows piping made from low-melting point materials tobe installed in exposed areas but only in specific locations These are limited tocontainment sumps under dispensers containment sumps for underground fuelstorage tanks and sumps for below-grade piping connections Chapter 5 of NFPA 30Ais silent on piping inside buildings Therefore the user is left with the provisions ofChapter 27 of NFPA 30 NFPA 30 in turn does allow piping fabricated of low melting point materials to beused exposed outdoors or inside buildings with the following provisions ldquo27441 Such materials shall be permitted to be used outdoors above ground orinside buildings provided they meet one of the following conditions (1) They are resistant to damage by fire(2) They are located so that any leakage resulting from failure will not exposepersons important buildings or structures(3) They are located where leakage can be controlled by operation of one or moreaccessible remotely located valvesrdquo Regardless of the material of construction of the piping and components the followinggeneral requirement from Chapter 27 of NFPA 30 always applies ldquo273 General Requirements2731 Performance Standards The design fabrication assembly test and inspectionof piping systems shall be suitable for the working pressures and structural stresses tobe encountered by the piping system Compliance with applicable sections of ASMEB31 Code for Pressure Piping and the provisions of this chapter shall be consideredprima facie evidence of compliance with the foregoing provisions2732 Tightness of Piping Piping systems shall be maintained liquidtight A pipingsystem that has leaks that constitute a hazard shall be emptied of liquid or repaired ina manner acceptable to the authority having jurisdictionrdquo Your interpretation of Subsection 511 of the 2003 edition of NFPA 30 (2711 in the2008 edition) is correct the chapter applies to any piping system that handles aflammable or combustible liquid regardless of pressure Likewise you are correct thatthe piping system must meet the provisions of ASME B31 for the material chosen andthe anticipated operating pressures and temperatures (531 in the 2003 edition 2741 in the 2008 edition) However low melting point materials (aluminum copperbrass and polymeric materials) are allowed under the provisions of Subsection 534(2003 edition) and 2744 (2008 edition) What must be determined is does thepiping system comply with one of the conditions stated in 27441 as stated above

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Please understand that this response is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 ofNFPArsquos Regulations Governing Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon todefinitively determine compliance with any laws ordinances rules or regulations Todetermine legal compliance you should refer to the appropriate authority havingjurisdiction or seek legal advice It is not intended nor should it be relied upon toprovide professional consultation or services To determine the adequacy or safety ofany device or installation you should consult with an appropriate professional I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write Iwill be happy to assist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant toNFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does notnecessarily represent the official position of the NFPA or its Technical Committees Inaddition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it be relied upon to provideprofessional consultation or services cc 30IFI 30AIFI AUVNM FLCTANNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

If you have a reported fire in your home the risk of dyingdecreases by about 80 percent when sprinklers are present

wwwfiresprinklerinitiativeorgNotice The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intendedfor the exclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential andor privileged information If you arenot the intended recipient please notify Robert Benedetti immediately by replying to the message or by calling(617) 984-7433 Please delete this message and any attachments from your system Thank you

From Eric Acton [mailtoEActonccfireus] Sent Monday July 19 2010 636 PMTo Benedetti BobSubject InterpretationOpinion request

Good day My name is Eric Acton I am the Fire Marshal for Campbell CountyWyoming and Irsquom employed by Campbell County Fire Department My NFPA

membership number is 2755369 My mailing and email addresses are listed below I am in need of a technical opinion regarding 2003 NFPA 30 Chapter 5 or morecurrently 2008 NFPA 30A Chapter 5 Some brief project backgroundAn owner within my jurisdiction has built a commercial lube-oil center to servicecustomersrsquo vehicles A ldquopitrdquo exists below the service bay to allow workers to drainthe oil from the vehicle then workers on the main floor refill the oil by use ofpressurized nozzles Several motor oil storage tanks are located in the pitaccounting for several brands and viscosities of oil The tanks are designed to befilled by use of a piping system which extends from an exterior connection vault toeach of the storage tanks using gravity to move the product in the fill-pipingsystem The material the owner chose to construct the fill-piping system wasldquostandardrdquo 1-12rdquo Schedule 40 PVC and Parker Series 7094 Electrically Non-Conductive rubber hose The piping system is exposed it is not underground nor isit protected from flame by means of a fire-rated chase Having identified the use of combustible liquids in this occupancy I utilized 2006International Fire Code (as adopted by my jurisdiction) Chapter 34 Flammable andCombustible Liquids to review and inspect the project IFC Section 340362referred me to NFPA 30 Chapter 5 for the construction materials to use where Iinterpreted (2003 version) 30511 to mean that the piping system components (pipetubing flanges bolting gaskets valves fittingshellip) must meet the requirementsregardless of pressure And that the following components specified in theparagraph must meet the requirements ONLY if they contained pressure ndashhelliprdquoexpansion joints and strainers and devices such thathelliprdquo I further interpreted(2003 version) 30531 Material Specifications similarly in that the ldquoPipe valvesfaucets couplingshelliprdquo must meet the requirements regardless of pressure while ldquohellipother pressure-containing partshelliprdquo meant ONLY the other parts that containedpressure Verbatim to 30511 is encountered in 2008 NFPA 30A Chapter 5paragraph 51 Scope The owner states his piping complies with the standard cited because it is gravity-fed hence no ldquopressurerdquo is seen by the piping components I maintain that thepiping system shall consist of metal pipe (or another material meeting therequirements of ASME B31 as allowed by 2003 NFPA 30531) to comply with NFPA30 and IFC Some assistance to resolve this problem is greatly appreciated I have attachedsome photographs for clarification Thanks for your attentionEric

Eric ActonFire MarshalCampbell County Fire Department 106 Rohan Avenue Gillette WY 82716 (307) 682-5319 ext 8912(307) 686-2222 Fax(307) 680-9612 Cell

eactonccfireus (No trees were harmed in the production of this e-mail however a huge number of electrons were horribly inconvenienced)

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From Benedetti BobTo Howard Jim (Woodbridge)Cc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiBcc May PaulSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Monday June 28 2010 115100 AM

Good morning Mr Howard First I appreciate your patience with me while I reviewed the information sent to meby yourself and Mr Luby of Veeder-Root I wanted to ensure that I thoroughlyunderstood how the system functions in its line leak detection mode My understanding of the arrangement of the piping system from the pair ofunderground storage tanks is that the electronic line leak detector the PLLD tests thesupply piping from the two submersible pumps to the dispensers as a single system This includes the direct piping run from the master pump to the dispensers AND thepiping that connects the slave pump to the direct piping run The intent of Subsection 642 of the 2008 edition of NFPA 30A Code for Motor FuelDispensing Facilities and Repair Garages is to ensure that some type of leak detectiondevice monitors the piping from the submersible pump to the dispensers in such amanner that a leak in the piping leading to the dispensers or in the dispensersthemselves is detected and notification of a leak given Since the two pumps act intandem and since the entire piping system from the pumps to the dispensers ismonitored my personal opinion is that the intent of Subsection 642 is met andevaluation of the system described as being equivalent to what is required bySubsection 642 is reasonable Whether the system described meets the criteria of Section 15 Equivalency of NFPA30A must be determined by the authority having jurisdiction As NFPA Staff Liaison forNFPA 30A I cannot make such a determination under NFPArsquos Regulations GoverningCommittee Projects Please understand that this response is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 ofNFPArsquos Regulations Governing Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon todefinitively determine compliance with any laws ordinances rules or regulations Todetermine legal compliance you should refer to the appropriate authority havingjurisdiction or seek legal advice It is not intended nor should it be relied upon toprovide professional consultation or services To determine the adequacy or safety ofany device or installation you should consult with an appropriate professional I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write Iwill be happy to assist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant toNFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does notnecessarily represent the official position of the NFPA or its Technical Committees Inaddition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it be relied upon to provideprofessional consultation or services cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids Engineer

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National Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

If you have a reported fire in your home the risk of dyingdecreases by about 80 percent when sprinklers are present

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From Howard Jim (Woodbridge) [mailtoJHowardhesscom] Sent Monday June 14 2010 1144 AMTo Benedetti BobCc Howard Jim (Woodbridge) Bob Luby Subject Importance High Bob It was a pleasure talking to you this morning regarding the Line Leak Detection applicationin place at Hess Station 08501 - Milltown DE (drawing attached) as well as several thousandlocations worldwide Here is some background information on this installation

Site had 3 - 10000 gallon gasoline tanks 1 - 10000 Regular (87) 1 - 10000 Plus (89) 1 - 10000 Premium (93) prior to our Dispenser Replacement Project Because of theoverwhelming demand for Regular gasoline (887 in 2009) we converted the existingPlus tank to additional Regular storageDispensers were replaced with new Blend Dispensers Tanks were not manifoldedRegular and former-Plus product lines were manifolded at each dispenserWe installed Veeder-Root PLLDs (Electronic Line Leak Detectors) on the Regular 1and Premium STPs We installed a non-vented Swift Check on Regular 2 (formerPlus) STP Because the PLLD is vented we MUST install a non-vented swift check onRegular STP 2 in order to test the system as a wholeWe have demonstrated via post-construction testing that the system will pick up a 3gph leak

The State of DE has questioned our compliance with NFPA 30A 642 Each pump shallhave installed on the discharge side a listed leak detection device that will provide an audibleor visible indication if the piping or a dispenser is leaking Each leak-detecting device shallbe checked and tested at least annually according to the manufacturers specifications toensure proper installation and operation

Can you comment on whether the system shown on the attached and described above and onour call meets the NFPA requirement or if it meets the definition of Equivalency as definedin Chapter 15 - Equivalency Thank you in advance for your consideration in this matter Please do not hesitate to contactme if there are any questions or concerns on this application ThanksJim Howard RFMPManager Maintenance amp UST ComplianceHess Corporation732-750-6220 (office)800-903-4801 (Emergency Hotline)E-mail UST Inspections to USTCompliancehesscomFax UST Inspections to 866-435-6744

This e-mail and any attachments are for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may containinformation that is confidential If you are not the intended recipient(s) and have received this e-mail in error please immediately notify the sender by return e-mail and delete this e-mail fromyour computer Any distribution disclosure or the taking of any other action by anyone other thanthe intended recipient(s) is strictly prohibited

From Benedetti BobTo Gary KostalCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiBcc May PaulSubject Inquiry NFPA 30 NFPA 30ADate Tuesday August 10 2010 43200 PM

Good afternoon Mr Kostal There are no provisions in NFPA 30 Flammable and Combustible Liquids Code togovern dispensing of motor fuels into motorized equipment and the devices youdescribe are not mentioned at all in NFPA 30 or in the only other related NFPAdocument that might apply NFPA 30A Code for Motor Fuel Dispensing Facilities andRepair Garages I cannot say that these units are either allowed or disallowed because neither NFPA30 nor NFPA 30A speaks about them The only provisions that might apply are the quantity limitations established in thesetwo codes depending on which code applies If the maintenance building is considered an industrial occupancy then Chapter 9 ofNFPA 30 establishes a maximum allowable quantity for of 120 gallons for Class Iliquids (The maximum allowable quantity is actually a threshold value Up to theMAQ compliance with NFPA 30 is not required above it NFPA 30 applies) If the maintenance building is considered a repair garage then NFPA 30A takesprecedence It also sets a 120 gallon limit on the maximum quantity of Class I liquid In both cases the quantity of fuel involved is 50 percent of the maximum allowed Myopinion is that there is no violation of either NFPA 30 or NFPA 30A Please understand that this response is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 ofNFPArsquos Regulations Governing Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon todefinitively determine compliance with any laws ordinances rules or regulations Todetermine legal compliance you should refer to the appropriate authority havingjurisdiction or seek legal advice It is not intended nor should it be relied upon toprovide professional consultation or services To determine the adequacy or safety ofany device or installation you should consult with an appropriate professional I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write Iwill be happy to assist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant toNFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does notnecessarily represent the official position of the NFPA or its Technical Committees Inaddition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it be relied upon to provideprofessional consultation or services cc 30IFI 30AIFI-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch Park

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Quincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg Important Notice This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPA RegulationsAny opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarily represent the officialposition of the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition this correspondence is neither intended norshould it be relied upon to provide professional consultation or services

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From Gary Kostal [mailtogarykbloomingdalefirecom] Sent Monday August 09 2010 328 PMTo Benedetti BobSubject Looking for assistance - portable gas caddies Membership 2329840 Gary KostalFire Prevention DirectorBloomingdale Fire District Question (Non-formal opinion) I have a country club where they service a very large number of lawn maintenance equipment on a dailybasis They are utilizing a portable gas container (gas caddy) that holds approximately 30 gallons ofgasoline The unit is equipped with a hand style pump which is located on the top of the tank Fuel isdispensed from this tank as you crank the pump There are no nozzles located on the hose These gascaddies are being used inside their maintenance building which is fully fire sprinkled They are presentlyusing two of these devices inside the same building which is basically one days use

My question is are these devices allowed for this type of dispensing Are they required to be equippedwith a self closing nozzle What NFPA sections would apply to this particular type of device Thank you for your assistance in this matter

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From Benedetti BobTo SheldonSchallWisconsingovCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Wednesday September 30 2009 45929 PM

Good afternoon Sheldon I will here provide more detailed answers to your questions as posed in the email you sent to me today Section 30A-4323 limits tank storage capacity for Class I and II No limit for Class IIIA or IIIB

You are correct The intent of 4323 is to limit the capacities only of those tanks that storeClass I and II liquids Recall that when NFPA 30A initially allowed aboveground storage tanks atvehicle fueling sites biofuels were not in the picture just gasoline (Class I) and diesel fuel (ClassII) The Technical Committee at the time did not conceive that there would be the need to storeClass III fuels because there werenrsquot any The bottom line NFPA 30A does not limit the capacityof an aboveground storage tank that holds a motor fuel that is a Class III liquid

Section 30A-4324 refers to setbacks in Table 4324 No indication that these setbacks are specific toor exclude any class of flammable or combustible so it appears that the setbacks apply to Class I -Class IIIB liquids This table appears to conflict with the previous section for Class IIIA amp IIIB liquids

This is again correct that the separation distances in Table 4324 are not specific to anyparticular Class of liquid There is no conflict however 4323 deals with tank capacities 4324 deals with separation distances for the tanks Since 4324 does not specify anyparticular liquid class(es) it applies to ALL liquid classes

Section 30A-4325 allows an increased capacity for Class II and III liquids at fleet facilities Thisappears to conflict with section 4323 for Class III liquids which didnt have a capacity limit to startwith

Here there is a conflict or at least a serious inconsistency This provision was added one or twoeditions after 4323 and it appears that biofuels are beginning to be recognized It also appearsthat the intent here was to allow a relaxation of one limit in favor of a more liberal one Theproblem is the original limit doesnrsquot exist making it arguable that the application of 4325 toClass III liquids is meaningless Given the obvious intent here for some limit on Class III liquidfuels 4323 should be amended to include Class IIIs

Section 30A-4327 addresses dispensing from an aboveground tank for Class I and II liquids based uponspecific conditions

Paragraph 4322 is a hold-over dating back to when service stations were covered in Chapter 7of the old versions of NFPA 30 This set of requirements should also be amended to include ClassIIIs

Section 30A-4328 refers to NFPA 30-2171 for spill and overfill This section only applies to class Iand II liquids

While it is true that Subsection 2171 of NFPA 30 only applies to Classes I and II I do not believeit is a conflict for NFPA 30A to also apply it to Class III as well if the Technical Committee it isappropriate to do so However the language needs to be improved or an Annex item should beadded to explain the extrapolation and the reason for it

I will add this to the next meetingrsquos agenda for the Technical Committee on Automotive and MarineService Stations As usual the following applies Please understand that this response to your inquiry is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 of NFPArsquos RegulationsGoverning Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitively determine compliance with anylaws ordinances rules or regulations To determine the adequacy or safety of any device or installationyou should consult with an appropriate professional To determine legal compliance you should refer tothe appropriate authority having jurisdiction or seek legal advice

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I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will be happy toassist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarily represent the official positionof the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it berelied upon to provide professional consultation or services cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

Fire Prevention Week is October 4 ndash 10 2009 Visit wwwfirepreventionweekorg or call 800-344-3555 for moreinformation NFPA Seminars - Apply the codes with confidenceRegister at wwwnfpalearnorg NFPA Membership keeps you up-to-dateVisit wwwnfpaorgjoin for more information Or call 800-344-3555Notice The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for theexclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential andor privileged information If you are not the intendedrecipient please notify Robert Benedetti immediately by replying to the message or by calling (617) 984-7433 Please deletethis message and any attachments from your system Thank you Considering the variables in the sections referenced above are the setbacks in Table 4324 intended toapply to Class IIIA andor Class IIIB liquids for public fueling

From Schall Sheldon - COMMERCE [mailtoSheldonSchallWisconsingov] Sent Wednesday September 30 2009 832 AMTo Benedetti BobSubject NFPA 30A-4324 inquiry - URGENT Section 30A-4323 limits tank storage capacity for Class I and II No limit for Class IIIA or IIIB trueSection 30A-4324 refers to setbacks in Table 4324 No indication that these setbacks are specific toor exclude any class of flammable or combustible so it appears that the setbacks apply to Class I -Class IIIB liquids This table appears to conflict with the previous section for Class IIIA amp IIIB liquids Also trueSection 30A-4325 allows an increased capacity for Class II and III liquids at fleet facilities Thisappears to conflict with section 4323 for Class III liquids which didnt have a capacity limit to startwith Either one or the other needs to changeSection 30A-4327 addresses dispensing from an aboveground tank for Class I and II liquids based uponspecific conditions Need to cover IIIBSection 30A-4328 refers to NFPA 30-2171 for spill and overfill This section only applies to class Iand II liquids Class IIIs need to be specifically addressed Considering the variables in the sections referenced above are the setbacks in Table 4324 intended toapply to Class IIIA andor Class IIIB liquids for public fueling

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From Benedetti BobTo Bill HickmanCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Monday December 14 2009 50332 PM

Good afternoon Mr Hickman To answer your question the separation distances in Table 4324 of NFPA 30A Code for MotorFuel Dispensing Facilities and Repair Garages are intended to apply to outside abovegroundstorage tanks for fuel where such is allowed The tanks inside a service station building majorrepair garage or minor repair garage would likely be handling Class IIIB liquids (flash point gt200 degF) only in accordance with Subsection 4392 of NFPA 30A Subsection 4392 does not set any specific requirements for separation between tanks inside abuilding although it does refer back to Chapters 21 through 23 of NFPA 30 Flammable andCombustible Liquids Code Shell-to-shell spacing distances for aboveground tanks areestablished in Table 22421 Table 22421 is intended for much large tanks than one wouldfind in a repair garage or ldquolube-onlyrdquo facility For example the minimum separation for tanksstoring Class IIIB liquids is 3 feet as set forth in 224212 But again the separationdistances in Chapter 22 of NFPA 30 are intended for tank farm application not for the muchsmaller tanks found in the type of occupancy governed by NFPA 30A Also any facility meeting the requirements of NFPA 30A is considered to be in compliance withNFPA 30 Please understand that this response to your inquiry is a personal opinion and does notconstitute a Formal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 ofNFPArsquos Regulations Governing Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitivelydetermine compliance with any laws ordinances rules or regulations To determine theadequacy or safety of any device or installation you should consult with an appropriateprofessional To determine legal compliance you should refer to the appropriate authorityhaving jurisdiction or seek legal advice I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will behappy to assist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPARegulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarilyrepresent the official position of the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition thiscorrespondence is neither intended nor should it be relied upon to provide professional consultation orservices cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg If you have a reported fire in your home the risk of dyingdecreases by about 80 percent when sprinklers are present

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From Bill Hickman [mailtoBillHickmanstatecous] Sent Tuesday December 01 2009 939 AMTo Benedetti BobSubject Inquiry NFPA 30A - Storage of Liquids Inside Buildings Mr Benedetti Id appreciate your interpretation on an item regarding aboveground tanks storing lubricants (newused oil) inside abuilding at a repair garage NFPA 30A 439 does not include specific spacing requirements for tanks inside buildings Where there are multiple tanks being stored inside the building is there no minimum separation distance requirementthat must be met or do the requirements of Table 4324 apply Thank you in advance for your assistance __________________________________ Bill HickmanInspectorTechnical SpecialistCO Division of Oil amp Public Safety303-378-5090

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From Benedetti BobTo Peznowski EdwardCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Thursday September 03 2009 30455 PM

Hi Ed The 1996 edition of the Flammable and Combustible Liquids Code Handbook was the last one prior to thecurrent 2008 edition The commentary hasnrsquot changed My recollection of the development of this text is that the intent of NFPA 30A Code for Motor FuelDispensing Facilities and Repair Garages is to isolate the motor fuel dispensing area and its attendanthazard completely from the rest of the structure regardless of what else might be in the structure Subsection 524 assumes that the installation involves a motor fuel dispensing operation inside abuilding where you would not expect to have same such as an office building A bus repair facility wouldbe probably classed as a major repair garage and would be expected to have fueling operations Thehazard of this is in my opinion no greater than the repair operations It could be that the language in Subsection 524 needs to be clarified so that it applies only to situationssuch as I first described Please understand that this response to your inquiry is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 of NFPArsquos RegulationsGoverning Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitively determine compliance with anylaws ordinances rules or regulations To determine the adequacy or safety of any device or installationyou should consult with an appropriate professional To determine legal compliance you should refer tothe appropriate authority having jurisdiction or seek legal advice I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will be happy toassist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarily represent the official positionof the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it berelied upon to provide professional consultation or services cc 30AIFI 30AFAQ AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

Fire Prevention Week is October 4 ndash 10 2009 Visit wwwfirepreventionweekorg or call 800-344-3555 for moreinformation NFPA Seminars - Apply the codes with confidenceRegister at wwwnfpalearnorg NFPA Membership keeps you up-to-dateVisit wwwnfpaorgjoin for more information Or call 800-344-3555Notice The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for the

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exclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential andor privileged information If you are not the intendedrecipient please notify Robert Benedetti immediately by replying to the message or by calling (617) 984-7433 Please deletethis message and any attachments from your system Thank you

From Peznowski Edward [mailtoEdwardPeznowskipostatectus] Sent Monday August 31 2009 127 PMTo Benedetti BobSubject NFPA 30A Hi Bob Sorry to bother you but I need your help and interpretation of the following section of NFPA 30A 2000edition 524 - All piping inside buildings but outside the motor fuel dispensing area shall be enclosed within ahorizontal chase or a vertical shaft used only for this piping Vertical shafts and horizontal chases shall beconstructed of materials having a fire resistance rating of not less than 2 hours Bob I have a bus repair facility being built and we have fuel dispensing area within the building enclosedwith a 2hr fire resistive separation My question is I have diesel fuel piping coming from two tanks locatedoutside of the building the piping runs outside of the dispensing area does this piping need to be enclosed Ihave the proper UL listed system for through wall penetrations My problem lies here I have natural gas heating fuel oil lines for boilers and diesel fuel line for thegenerator all running through the area outside the 2 hour rated dispensing area which are not required to beenclosed My thought is within the 2 hour fire resistive construction I have storage rooms for grease and oil a office forfuel dispensing Any fuel piping running through these areas would be enclosed but once I go outside my 2hrrated enclosure the piping would not have to be enclosed NFPA 30A (1996edition)6-42 - All fuel and flammable vapor piping inside buildings but outside the service station area shall beenclosed within a horizontal chase or a vertical shaft used only for this piping Vertical shafts and horizontalchases shall be constructed of materials having a fire resistance rating of not less than 2 hoursCOMMENTARY 6-42 The intent of this requirement is to preserve the isolation of the service stationoperation from the rest of the building I donrsquot have the 2000 handbook for commentary Thanks Bob Edward J PeznowskiFire amp Life Safety SpecialistBureau of EngineeringOffice State Fire Marshal860-685-8350

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From Benedetti BobTo Hamilton James P (HOY)Cc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiSubject Inquiry NFPA 30A-2008Date Monday September 14 2009 115041 AM

Good morning Mr Hamilton The intent of this particular provision of Subsection 672 of NFPA 30A Code for Motor Fuel DispensingFacilities and Repair Garages is to ensure that the patron has access to a second disconnect if he or shecannot reach the primary disconnect ie the one that is between 20 and 100 feet from the dispenser In my opinion all of the emergency disconnects required by Section 67 must be at least 20 ft but normore than 100 ft from the nearest dispenser Please understand that this response to your inquiry is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 of NFPArsquos RegulationsGoverning Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitively determine compliance with anylaws ordinances rules or regulations To determine the adequacy or safety of any device or installationyou should consult with an appropriate professional To determine legal compliance you should refer tothe appropriate authority having jurisdiction or seek legal advice I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will be happy toassist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarily represent the official positionof the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it berelied upon to provide professional consultation or services cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

Fire Prevention Week is October 4 ndash 10 2009 Visit wwwfirepreventionweekorg or call 800-344-3555 for moreinformation NFPA Seminars - Apply the codes with confidenceRegister at wwwnfpalearnorg NFPA Membership keeps you up-to-dateVisit wwwnfpaorgjoin for more information Or call 800-344-3555Notice The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for theexclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential andor privileged information If you are not the intendedrecipient please notify Robert Benedetti immediately by replying to the message or by calling (617) 984-7433 Please deletethis message and any attachments from your system Thank you

From Hamilton James P (HOY) [mailtoHAMILTONJPbechteljacobsorg] Sent Thursday September 10 2009 1224 PMTo Benedetti BobSubject NFPA 30A 2008 Edition

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Importance High

NFPA 30A 672 states at least one additional device or disconnect shall be readily accessible toeach group of dispensing devices on an individual island Our installation does not have islands Should the second emergency shutoff be installed close to the pumps or between 20 and 100 ofthe pumps

Please respond back via email hamiltonjpbechteljacobsorg

Thanks

NFPA 127130 James P Hamilton CFPSTetraTek Inc - Fire Safety TechnologiesFire Protection LeadK-27 Pre-Demo Project 790 Emory Valley Rd 811 Oak Ridge TN 37830 ETTP Office 865-241-1902

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From Benedetti BobTo Scott DavonskiCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Tuesday August 04 2009 92429 AM

Good morning Mr Davonski My opinion is that the intent of the requirement in Subsection 1141 of NFPA 30A Code for Motor FuelDispensing Facilities and Repair Garages is that any hose longer than 18 feet should not simply bestrung along the dockrsquos surface Using a reel would be one means of securing the hose although Irsquomsure other methods such as hangers would work as well Please understand that this response to your inquiry is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 of NFPArsquos RegulationsGoverning Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitively determine compliance with anylaws ordinances rules or regulations To determine the adequacy or safety of any device or installationyou should consult with an appropriate professional To determine legal compliance you should refer tothe appropriate authority having jurisdiction or seek legal advice I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will be happy toassist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarily represent the official positionof the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it berelied upon to provide professional consultation or services cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

Fire Prevention Week is October 4 ndash 10 2009 Visit wwwfirepreventionweekorg or call 800-344-3555 for moreinformation NFPA Seminars - Apply the codes with confidenceRegister at wwwnfpalearnorg NFPA Membership keeps you up-to-dateVisit wwwnfpaorgjoin for more information Or call 800-344-3555Notice The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for theexclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential andor privileged information If you are not the intendedrecipient please notify Robert Benedetti immediately by replying to the message or by calling (617) 984-7433 Please deletethis message and any attachments from your system Thank you

From Scott Davonski [mailtodavonskiRiverheadlicom] Sent Wednesday July 22 2009 1118 AMTo Benedetti BobSubject 30A clarification

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1141 All hose shall be listed Where hose length exceeds 55 m (18 ft) the hose shall besecured so as to protect it from damage Can you provide clarification as to what is meant by ldquosecured so as to protect it fromdamagerdquo Is the standard looking not to have the hoses on the dock In a reel Any clarificationinformation would be appreciated Scott W DavonskiChief Fire MarshalTown of RiverheadP- 631-727-3200 ext 209F- 631-727-3370

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Page 3: TECHNICAL COMMITTEE ON AUTOMOTIVE and MARINE … · SUBJECT: Agenda for ROC Meeting – October 4, 2010 _____ Ladies and Gentlemen: Attached is the Agenda for the NFPA 30A Report

AUV2010-10 Agendadoc

8 Review and Action on Comments on the Report on Proposals (ROP) for NFPA 30A-2012

[Attachment A7] The first page of Attachment No A7 is the Log Number Sort List The second page is the Section

Number Sort List with the comments listed in sectionparagraph order 9 Recent Correspondence [Attachment A8] 10 Review of Previous Correspondence [Attachment A9) 11 Other Old Business

Potential Static Electricity Hazard During Marine Fueling [Attachment A10] 12 New Business [NONE] 13 Schedule Next Meeting(s) 14 Adjournment

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TECHNICAL COMMITTEE ON AUTOMOTIVE and MARINE SERVICE STATIONS

MINUTES of MEETING Technical Committee on Automotive and Marine Service Stations

Hilton St Petersburg Bayfront Hotel St Petersburg FL

January 20 - 21 2010

I Attendance mdash via web conference service R Benscoter Husky Corporation

C A Burns Oscar W Larson Company B C Donovan STICO Mutual Insurance Company T J Forsythe Hughes Associates Inc L Gregory ExxonMobil (Rep American Petroleum Institute)

C N Harding Tyco Fire Suppression amp Building Products (Rep Fire Equipment Manufacturersrsquo Association)

J P Hartmann John Hartmann amp Associates J P Higgins Mutual Service Office D B Horne DBHorne LLC (Rep Clean Vehicle Education Foundation) M T Kadri Michigan Department of Environmental Quality D R Offerdahl North Dakota State Electrical Board A M Ramirez Underwriters Laboratories Inc CHAIR

R N Renkes Petroleum Equipment Institute R A Riegel Underwriters Laboratories Inc

J R Rocco Sage Risk Solutions LLC (Rep Petroleum Marketers Association of America) R C Schultz University of Texas at Austin ndash Fire Prevention Services C A Sunderhaus OPW Fueling Components

K J Wolf Intertek Testing Services A R Zajac Michigan Department of Environmental Quality

R P Benedetti NFPA STAFF LIAISON Minutes 1 The meeting was called to order at 815 AM on Wednesday January 21 2010 by Technical

Committee Chair Al Ramirez 2 Attendees introduced themselves and necessary corrections were made to the Technical Committee

roster The corrected roster will be posted to the ECommittee SharePoint page 3 The Minutes of the previous meeting (National Fire Protection Association Quincy MA) were

unanimously approved with minor corrections 4 Technical Committee Chair Al Ramirez briefed the Technical Committee on the meeting objectives

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5 The Staff Liaison presented the following report

Technical Committee Scope amp Technical Committee Name At the April 2009 meeting the Technical Committee reviewed but did not act on proposed changes to the Technical Committeersquos Scope statement A slightly amended version of the April Proposal was presented The Technical Committee made additional changes and directed the Staff Liaison to circulate the proposed new scope statement to letter ballot of the committee then to submit the new scope statement to the NFPA Standards Council for approval

Technical Committee Membership Status The Staff Liaison reported on changes to the membership of the committee A request was made that the Staff Liaison include definitions of the interest categories

A2011 Document Revision Schedule The Staff Liaison reviewed the deadlines of the 2011 document revision schedule

6 Report on Alternative Fuels

Status of NFPA 2 Hydrogen Technologies Code NFPA 2 has been published in the Fall 2010 Report on Proposals (ROP) with a Comment Closing Deadline of March 5 2010 Andrea Zajac reported on the latest activities involving NFPA 2 The Technical Committee expressed its concern that any extractions of text from NFPA 30A be done correctly

Biofuels Biodiesel Ethanol etc Doug Horne reported that proposals have been submitted to the International Fire Code to better define E85 He noted that research shows that there can be ignitable mixtures in the head space of tanks with intermediate blends Bob Renkes reported on ULSD effects on fuel system eg corrosive effects on metal components

Update of UL Work on Alternative Fuels Al Ramirez reported on Underwriters Laboratoriesrsquo progress on listing system components for use with intermediate ethanolgasoline blends Bob Renkes raised the issue would use of legacy equipment with fuels for which equipment wasnrsquot listed violate NFPA 30A

Diesel Exhaust Fluid (DEF) Bob Renkes reported that PEIRP1100-10 Recommended Practices for the Storage and Dispensing of Diesel Exhaust Fluid (DEF) has been published

7 The Technical Committee heard reports from the following Task Groups

Maintenance amp Inspection Fire Protection amp Control Cross-References to NFPA 30 Dispenser Disconnects

8 The Technical Committee completed final changes to its proposed new Table 831 for NFPA 30A to

ensure correlation with the table incorporated into the 2011 edition of NFPA 70reg National Electrical Codereg There might need to be some additional changes to address sumps and pits

9 The Technical Committee reviewed and acted on all remaining proposals to amend NFPA 30Aand

developed Committee Proposals as necessary The Technical Committee directed the Staff Liaison to circulate the Report on Proposals (ROP) for letter ballot of the Technical Committee

10 The Technical Committee reviewed the proposed Chapter 12 rewrite and decided to include the

rewrite as a rejected Committee Proposal to elicit public comment 11 The Technical Committee reviewed recent correspondence and determined that there was no action

necessary

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12 Under ldquoOther Old Businessrdquo the Technical Committee reviewed the following two issues and determined that no action was necessary

Definition of ldquoAdequate Ventilationrdquo Proper Classification of Repair Garage

13 The Technical Committee reviewed the following items of new business

Inquiry on Scope and Application of NFPA 30A The Technical Committee points out that portable equipment is not within the scope of NFPA 30A

Inconsistency Between NFPA 30A and NFPA 70 Larry Gregory agreed to propose a change to NFPA 70reg National Electrical Codereg

Area Classification for Kiosks on Islands The Technical Committee determined that no action was necessary

Potential Static Electricity Hazard During Marine Fueling The Technical Committee determined that this issue was outside its scope

An Experimental and Modeling Study of the Flammability of Fuel Tank Headspace Vapors from High Ethanol Content Fuels ndash NRELSR-540-44040 October 2008 This report was brought to the attention of the committee by Doug Horne The link to the report is httpwwwnrelgovfy09osti44040pdf

14 The Technical Committee agreed to schedule its next meeting for October 4 2010 in

Atlanta GA to be held in conjunction with the Petroleum Equipment Institutersquos convention 15 The meeting adjourned at 300 PM on January 21 2010

AUV Revised Scope Statement2010-01-06doc

TECHNICAL COMMITTEE ON AUTOMOTIVE and MARINE SERVICE STATIONS

SCOPE STATEMENT

This Committee shall have primary responsibility for documents on safeguarding against the fire and explosion hazards associated with the general storage handling and dispensing of flammable and combustible liquids and gaseous motor fuels at motor fuel dispensing facilities service stations and with related activities such as operation inspection maintenance and repair of dispensing system components and dispensing gaseous fuels This committee shall also have primary responsibility for documents on construction control of fire hazards ventilation fire protection and maintenance of repair facilities garages This committee shall not have responsibility for the dispensing of gaseous fuels at facilities where no liquid fuels are dispensed including residential occupancies ie dispensing of gaseous fuels as covered by NFPA 2 Hydrogen Technologies Code and NFPA 52 Vehicular Fuel Systems Code Responsible for NFPA 30A Code for Motor Fuel Dispensing Facilities and Repair Garages

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AUV Committee Balancedoc - 8122010

TECHNICAL COMMITTEE ON AUTOMOTIVE and MARINE SERVICE STATIONS

COMMITTEE MEMBERSHIP BALANCE SUMMARY

AUV-AAA NFPA 30A

Members 24 M 7 (29) U 5 (21) Voting Alternates 0 IM 3 (13) LC 0 Alternates 7 RT 2 (8) E 3 (13)

Non-Voting 2 I 2 (8) SE 2 (8) Emeritus 1

Task Group 0 Hold List 0 Balance OK (CNG equipment 1 dispensing nozzles 0 dispensing system components 2 fire suppression equipment 1 LNG dispensing systems 1 storage tanks 2) (fleet operators 2 independent retail 1 lube-only facilities 1 major retail 0 marine facilities 1) (fire suppression systems 1 fuel dispensing systems 1 LPG dispensing systems 1)

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MASTER SCHEDULE2011 Annual Cycledoc

2011 ANNUAL REVISION CYCLE

PROCESS STAGE PROCESS STEP

DATES FOR TC

DATES FOR TCC

COMPLETION

DATE

VERIFY MATERIAL

IN FILE 1 PRELIMINARY 10 Notification of intent to enter cycle 71009 71009

2 REPORT ON PROPOSALS

(ROP)

21 Proposal closing date 112409 112409

22 Final date for ROP meeting 22610 2510 23 Final date for mailing TC ballots 31910 21910 24 Receipt of (TC) ballots by staff liaison 42310 31210 25 Receipt of TC recirculation ballots 5710 31910 26 Final date for TCC meeting 41610 27 Final date for mailing TCC ballots 42310 28 Receipt of TCC ballots 51410 29 Receipt of TCC recirculation ballots 52110 210 Final copy (w ballot statements) to Secretary Standards Council

51410 52810

211 Completion of Reports 52110 6410 212 ROP Published and Posted 62510 62510

3 REPORT ON

COMMENTS (ROC)

31 Comment closing date 9310 9310 32 Final date for ROC meeting 11510 10810 33 Final date for mailing TC ballots 111910 102210 34 Receipt of (TC) ballots by staff liaison 12310 111210 35 Receipt of TC recirculation ballots 121010 111910 36 Final date for TCC meeting 121710 37 Final date for mailing TCC ballots 122210 38 Receipt of TCC ballots 11411 39 Receipt of TCC recirculation ballots 12111 310 Final copy (w ballot statements) to Secretary Standards Council

122210 12811

311 Completion of Reports 11411 2411 312 ROC Published and Posted 22511 22511

TECH SESSION PREPARATION amp ISSUANCE OF

CONSENT DOCUMENTS

41 Notice of Intent to Make a Motion (NITMAM) Closing Date

4811 4811

42 Posting of Filed NITMAM 5611 5611 43 Council Issuance Date for Consent Documents 53111 53111 44 Appeal Closing Date for Consent Documents 61511 61511

TECHNICAL SESSION

50 Association Meeting for Documents with Certified Amending Motions

612-1611 612-1611

APPEALS amp ISSUANCE OF DOCUMENTS

WCAMS

61 Appeal closing date for Documents with Certified Amending Motions

7611 7611

62 Council issuance for Documents with Certified Amending Motions

8411 8411

Proposal Closing Dates may vary according to documents and schedules for Revision Cycles may change Please check the NFPA website (wwwnfpaorg) for the most up-to-date information on proposal closing dates and schedules

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TIA 9852010-06-15 ndash IFMA Counterproposaldoc

Proposed TIA to NFPA 30A-2008 1 Add a new definition of ldquoalcohol blended motor fuelrdquo to read as follows

ldquo33X Alcohol Blended Motor Fuel Motor fuel consisting of a blend of alcohol such as ethanol and gasoline with an alcohol concentration greater than 10 percent by volume including those with nominally 85 percent ethanol 15 percent unleaded gasoline (E85)rdquo

2 Revise 632 to read

ldquo632 Dispensing devices for Class I and II liquids shall be listed for the specific fuels being dispensed A632 See UL 87 Standard for Power-Operated Dispensing Devices for Petroleum Products or UL SU87A Outline for Power-Operated Dispensing Devices for Gasoline and GasolineEthanol Blends with Nominal Concentrations up to 85 Percent 6321 Existing listed or labeled dispensing devices shall be permitted to be modified provided that the modifications made are ldquoListed by Reportrdquo by an approved testing laboratory or as otherwise approved by the authority having jurisdiction Modification proposals shall contain a description of the component parts used in the modification and the recommended methods of installation on specific dispensing devices Modification proposals shall be made available to the authority having jurisdiction upon request 6322 Existing dispensing devices shall be listed for the specific fuel or fuels being dispensed 63221 Where existing dispensing devices are not listed for a specific fuel or fuels see Section 15 Equivalency A6322 1 The authority having jurisdiction by virtue of Section 15 may approve the use of existing equipment for fuels for which no listing is available Where the authority having jurisdiction approves the use of an existing dispensing device or existing related dispensing equipment for use with alcohol blended motor fuels the approval of the dispensing device and related dispensing equipment may be based on the following (1) The dispensing device and related dispensing equipment should be listed for dispensing of gasoline motor fuel and (2) The dispensing device and related dispensing equipment should be inspected by a person who is knowledgeable in the operation of the equipment to verify that it is in proper working order and is not leaking as described in (a) and (b) (a) A visual inspection of the fuel dispenser and its associated hanging hardware should be conducted ldquoHanging hardwarerdquo includes the following components that might be present hose nozzle valve hose breakaway valve and hose swivel Inspections should be conducted at least weekly and should be documented Documentation should be available for review by the authority having jurisdiction upon request (b) An inspection of the fuel-dispensing equipment that is located inside the dispenser cabinet should be conducted The interior of the dispenser cabinet should

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TIA 9852010-06-15 ndash IFMA Counterproposaldoc

be inspected for signs of leaks damage corrosion or weathering with particular attention to the sump area and joints and castings of fuel handling components The inspection should be conducted at least monthly and should be documented Documentation should be available for review by the authority having jurisdiction upon request (c) If a leak is discovered use of the affected dispensing device should be discontinued until repairs can be made The authority having jurisdiction is provided with the ability to approve for use with mid-level alcohol blended motor fuels (eg E15 15 percent ethanol 85 percent unleaded gasoline) dispensing devices and related dispensing equipment currently listed for use with E10 (10 percent ethanol 90 percent unleaded gasoline) Approval of the dispensing device or related dispensing equipment for use with alcohol blended motor fuel requires that the dispensing device and related dispensing equipment be listed for use with E10 and that periodic inspection be conducted to verify that the equipment is functioning properly Useful forms for documenting inspections can be found in PEIRP500-05 Recommended Practices for Inspection and Maintenance of Motor Fuel Dispensing Equipment and are also available at wwwpeiorgrp500 In addition the authority having jurisdiction may take into account other factors including actual field experience evidence of compatibility (eg manufacturerrsquos declaration) and functionality by government agencies trade associations and testing laboratories Underwriters Laboratories Inc has listed dispensing devices and related dispensing equipment for alcohol blended motor fuels up to E10 and more recently has begun listing dispensing devices for alcohol blended motor fuels up to E25 (25 percent ethanol 75 percent unleaded gasoline) However the majority of existing dispensing devices and related dispensing equipment currently in service at motor fuel dispensing facilities are not listed for use with alcohol blended motor fuels with more than 10 percent ethanol While higher alcohol blended motor fuels (eg E85 85 percent ethanol 15 percent unleaded gasoline) are typically sold as an alternative to E10 the mid-level alcohol blended motor fuels such as E15 if approved by the U S Environmental Protection Agency might likely become a replacement for current motor fuels either through state or federal mandates or because of supply chain restrictions In order to maintain the supply of motor fuel this might require the sale of mid-level blends through the existing dispensing devices and related dispensing equipmentrdquo

3 Revise 651 to read

ldquo651 Listed hose assemblies shall be used to dispense fuels shall be listed for the specific fuels being dispensed Hose length at automotive motor fuel dispensing facilities shall not exceed 55 m (18 ft) Where hose length at marine motor fuel dispensing facilities exceeds 55 m (18 ft) the hose shall be secured so as to protect it from damage (See A63221)rdquo

4 Revise 661 to read

ldquo661 An automatic-closing-type hose nozzle valve listed in accordance with UL 842 Standard for Valves for Flammable Fluids and listed for the specific fuels being dispensed with or without latch-open device shall be provided on island-type dispensing devices used to dispense Class I or Class II liquids (See A63221)rdquo

5 Revise 681 and 682 to read

TIA 9852010-06-15 ndash IFMA Counterproposaldoc

ldquo681 Dispensing devices that incorporate vapor recovery shall be listed for the specific fuels being dispensed (See A63221) 682 Hose nozzle valves used on vapor recovery systems shall be listed for the purpose and for the specific fuels being dispensed (See A63221)rdquo

6 Add a new entry to Table B1 Typical Flammable and Combustible Liquids Found at Motor Fuel Dispensing Facilities to read as follows

ldquoAlcohol Blended Motor Fuel -40 degF ndash 55 degF Class IB varies nardquo A6321 proposed 6231 and its annex all becomes annex material gtgtgt New lead-in Where modifications are made 2 Add a new Subsection 623 and an accompanying annex text to read as follows A6322 Where dispensing devices and related dispensing equipment including dispensers hoses nozzles breakaway fittings swivels flexible connectors dispenser emergency shutoff valves and vapor recovery systems and pumps are propose for use for alcohol blended motor fuels they should be listed Where there is currently no listing see 15 for equivalencies Section 15 permits the authority having jurisdiction to approve non-listed components for the specific for the specific fuel being dispensed Where the authority having jurisdiction approves the use of a dispensing device or related dispensing equipment for use with alcohol blended motor fuels the approval of the dispensing device and related dispensing equipment could include the following (1) The dispensing device and related dispensing equipment shall be listed for dispensing of gasoline motor fuel and (2) The dispensing device and related dispensing equipment shall be periodically inspected by a person who is knowledgeable in the operation of the equipment to verify that it is in proper working order and is not leaking as described in (a) and (b) (a) A visual inspection of the fuel dispenser and its associated hanging hardware shall be conducted ldquoHanging hardwarerdquo shall include the following components that might be present hose nozzle valve hose breakaway valve and hose swivel Inspections shall be conducted at least weekly and shall be documented Documentation shall be available for review by the authority having jurisdiction upon request (b) An inspection of the fuel-dispensing equipment that is located inside the dispenser cabinet shall be conducted The interior of the dispenser cabinet shall be inspected for signs of leaks damage corrosion or weathering with particular attention to the sump area and joints and castings of fuel handling components The inspection shall be conducted at least monthly and shall be documented Documentation shall be available for review by the authority having jurisdiction upon request NEEDS TO TELL WHAT TO DO BEYOND MERE DOCUMENTATION ALSO NEED TO REPLACE ldquoPERIODICrdquo WITH FIRM TIME A623 See UL SU87A Outline for Power-Operated Dispensing Devices for Gasoline and GasolineEthanol Blends with Nominal Concentrations up to 85 Percent

TIA 9852010-06-15 ndash IFMA Counterproposaldoc

A6231 The authority having jurisdiction is provided with the ability to approve for use with mid-level alcohol blended motor fuels (eg E15 15 percent ethanol 85 percent unleaded gasoline) dispensing devices and related dispensing equipment currently listed for use with E10 (10 percent ethanol 90 percent unleaded gasoline) Approval of the dispensing device or related dispensing equipment for use with alcohol blended motor fuel requires that the dispensing device and related dispensing equipment be listed for use with E10 and that periodic inspection be conducted to verify that the equipment is functioning properly Useful forms for documenting inspections can be found in PEIRP500-05 Recommended Practices for Inspection and Maintenance of Motor Fuel Dispensing Equipment and are also available at wwwpeiorgrp500 In addition the authority having jurisdiction may take into account other factors including actual field experience evidence of compatibility (eg manufacturerrsquos declaration) and functionality by government agencies trade associations and testing laboratories Underwriters Laboratories Inc has listed dispensing devices and related dispensing equipment for alcohol blended motor fuels up to E10 and more recently has begun listing dispensing devices for alcohol blended motor fuels up to E25 (25 percent ethanol 75 percent unleaded gasoline) However the majority of existing dispensing devices and related dispensing equipment currently in service at motor fuel dispensing facilities are not listed for use with alcohol blended motor fuels with more than 10 percent ethanol While higher alcohol blended motor fuels (eg E85 85 percent ethanol 15 percent unleaded gasoline) are typically sold as an alternative to E10 the mid-level alcohol blended motor fuels such as E15 if approved by the U S Environmental Protection Agency might likely become a replacement for current motor fuels either through state or federal mandates or because of supply chain restrictions In order to maintain the supply of motor fuel this might require the sale of mid-level blends through the existing dispensing devices and related dispensing equipmentrdquo

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Seq

1 4363- ( )30A- AUV-AAA A2011

2 544 and 642- ( )30A- AUV-AAA A2011

3 Table 831- ( )30A- AUV-AAA A2011

4 33 Various Definitions (New)- ( )30A- AUV-AAA A2011

5 92- ( )30A- AUV-AAA A2011

6 233- ( )30A- AUV-AAA A2011

7 11721 (New)- ( )30A- AUV-AAA A2011

8 623 (New)- ( )30A- AUV-AAA A2011

9 Figure 831(B)- ( )30A- AUV-AAA A2011

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1 4363- ( )30A- AUV-AAA A2011

2 544 and 642- ( )30A- AUV-AAA A2011

8 623 (New)- ( )30A- AUV-AAA A2011

3 Table 831- ( )30A- AUV-AAA A2011

9 Figure 831(B)- ( )30A- AUV-AAA A2011

5 92- ( )30A- AUV-AAA A2011

7 11721 (New)- ( )30A- AUV-AAA A2011

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Report on Comments ndash June 2011 NFPA 30A_______________________________________________________________________________________________30A- Log 6

_______________________________________________________________________________________________John F Bender Underwriters Laboratories Inc

30A-6Revise text as follows

Underwriters Laboratories Inc 333 Pfingsten Road Northbrook IL 60062-2096UL 87 Standard for Power-Operated Dispensing Devices for Petroleum Products 2001 Revised 2008ANSIUL 842 Standard for Valves for Flammable Fluids 2007 Revised 2010UL 2080 Standard for Fire Resistant Tanks for Flammable and Combustible Liquids 2000ANSIUL 2085 Standard for Protected Aboveground Tanks for Flammable and Combustible Liquids 1997 Revised

1999UL 2245 Standard for Below-Grade Vaults for Flammable Liquid Storage Tanks 2006

Updated referenced standards to most recent revisions Add ANSI approval designation to ANSIUL842 and ANSIUL 2085

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Report on Comments ndash June 2011 NFPA 30A_______________________________________________________________________________________________30A- Log 4

_______________________________________________________________________________________________Marshall A Klein Marshall A Klein amp Associates Inc

30A-7Revise text to read as follows

331 Basement Basement For the purposes of this code a story of a building or structure having one-half or more ofits height below ground level and to which access for fire-fighting purposes is restricted [302008] Any story of a buildingwholly or partly below grade plane that is not considered the first story above grade plane (Also see 33X ldquoFirst StoryAbove Grade Planerdquo 33Y ldquoGrade Planerdquo and 33Z ldquoStoryrdquo) [5000 2009]33X First Story Above Grade Plane Any story having its finished floor surface entirely above grade plane except

that a basement shall be considered as a first story above grade plane where the finished surface of the floor above thebasement is (1) more than 6 ft (1830 mm) above grade plane or (2) more than 12 ft (3660 mm) above the finished levelat any point (See also 33Z ldquoStoryrdquo) [5000 2009]33Z Story The portion of a building located between the upper surface of a floor and the upper surface of the floor or

roof next above [5000 2009]33Y Grade Plane A reference plane representing the average of the finished ground level adjoining the building at all

exterior walls When the finished ground level slopes down from the exterior walls the grade plane is established by thelowest points within the area between the building and the lot line or when the lot line is more than 6 ft (1830 mm) fromthe building between the building and a point 6 ft (1830 mm) from the building (See also 33W ldquoFinished Ground Level(Graderdquo) [5000 2009]33W Finished Ground Level (Grade) The level of the finished ground (earth or other surface on ground) (See also33Y ldquoGrade Planerdquo) [5000 2009]

The Committeersquos substantiation for this Committee Proposal was ldquoThis definition is the preferreddefinition from the NFPA Glossary of Terms Changing the secondary definition to the preferred definition complies withthe Glossary of Terms Projectrdquo Also the Committeersquos statement said in part ldquohellipThe key issue relative to NFPA 30A issafe access to and evacuation from the basement area by emergency responders during an emergencyrdquo

Since the first edition of the NFPA 5000 Building Code the NFPA 30A Committee has attempted to be in correlationwith NFPA 5000 and the other Model Building Code in the the United States IBC The dispensing facilities and repairgarage buildings constructed under the NFPA 30A are also required to comply with the local building code which will beeither NFPA 5000 or IBC The proposed definition for ldquobasementrdquo that is taken from NFPA 30 is more suited for thelarger flammable and combustible types of facilities built under NFPA 30 not the service centersrepair garages builtunder NFPA 30A and the building codes

NFPA 30A should stay with its present position to correlate with the definition for a ldquobasementrdquo with NFPA 5000ldquoBuilding Construction and safety Coderdquo and not replace this definition with the one that is in NFPA 30 ldquoFlammable andCombustible Liquids Coderdquo

The term ldquobasementrdquo is only used in the NFPA 30A Code in Section 423 that deals with ignitable vapors in abasement or pit and Section 746 that applies when sprinklers are required to be installed in the basement of a majorrepair garage The two NFPA 30A sections on basements relate more to the application of the requirements in NFPA5000 and IBC than to the requirements in NFPA 30 ldquoFlammable and Combustible Liquids Coderdquo As I have notedabove during the development of the NFPA 5000 Building Code the NFPA 30A Committee was very careful tocorrelate its requirements with NFPA 5000 NFPA 101 amp IBC so that there would be minimum conflicts in theapplication of the requirements of NFPA 30A with these other Codes that greatly impact the design and construction ofMotor Fuel Dispensing Facilities and Repair Garages The definition of ldquobasementrdquo is critically important forbuilding design and should be correlated with the building codes used throughout the US and we should not use adifferent definition for basement that would cause confusion and cost in the design and application of the NFPA 30Arequirements where NFPA 5000 NFPA 101 or IBC Codes are also adopted

I have also included the addition of the definitions of ldquoFirst Story Above Grade Planerdquo ldquoStoryrdquo ldquoGrade Planerdquo andldquoFinished Ground Level (Grade)rdquo from NFPA 5000 to provide complete correlation on these building definitions withNFPA 5000 and the IBC For individuals using NFPA 30A that are only used to working with NFPA 30 these definitions

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Report on Comments ndash June 2011 NFPA 30Amay seem like overkill but to the great majority of code officials designers and owners of these types of dispensingfacilities and repair garages correlation of these terms with NFPA 5000 and IBC are critical to prevent major conflictsdelays and cost increases in interpretations and applications of code requirements between the building departmentsand fire departments

In summation based on the two sections in NFPA 30A that cover a ldquobasementrdquo requirement it serves the public interestbetter to use the ldquobasementrdquo definition and its related building definitions from NFPA 5000 to properly correlate with themodel buildings codes not NFPA 30

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Report on Comments ndash June 2011 NFPA 30A_______________________________________________________________________________________________30A- Log 1

_______________________________________________________________________________________________Alex Ralston Petcon Inc

NARevise text to read as follows

Means shall be provided to sound an audible alarm when the liquid level in the tank reaches 90 percent of capacityMeans shall also be provided either to automatically stop the flow of liquid into the tank when the liquid level reaches 98percent capacity or to restrict the flow of liquid into the tank to a maximum flow rate of 95L min (25 gpm) when theliquid level in the tank reaches 95 percent capacityThe federal underground storage tank rules state that means shall be provided to stop the flow of liquid into the tank

when the liquid reaches 95 percent capacity or restrict the flow into the tank when the liquid level reaches 90 percentcapacity

None given

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Report on Comments ndash June 2011 NFPA 30A_______________________________________________________________________________________________30A- Log 2

_______________________________________________________________________________________________Alex Ralston Petcon Inc

NARevise text to read as follows

On remote pressure pumping systems each pump shall have installed on the discharge side a listed leak detectiondevice that will provide an audible or visible indication if the piping and dispensing devices are not liquid tight Replace with device that will either restrict the flow of product to the dispenser or shut-off the flow of product to

indicate if the piping and dispensing devices are liquid tightThe explanation attempts to explain the federal underground storage tank regulations however the

regulation that provides for an audible or visible alarm relates to overfill prevention in federal regulations not leakdetectionThe regulations on leak detection for pressurized piping in the explanation are correct but if youll note nowhere in the

explanation is audible or visual alarms mentioned

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Report on Comments ndash June 2011 NFPA 30A_______________________________________________________________________________________________30A- Log 8

_______________________________________________________________________________________________Robert Bourke Northeastern Regional Fire Code Development Committee

30A-42Revise to read 623 Fuel-dispensing systems including dispensers hoses nozzleshelliphelliphellip

blended motor fuels shall be listed or approved for the specific purposeThis requirement should only be stating that the equipment is listed for the specific purpose

ldquoApprovedrdquo by definition means ldquoacceptable to the AHJrdquoToo often a Standard may misuse the word ldquoapprovedrdquo in order to not exclude other listing organizations that publish

its list in a document that they refer to as an ldquoApproval Guiderdquo Regardless the document is still a listing

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Report on Comments ndash June 2011 NFPA 30A_______________________________________________________________________________________________30A- Log 3

_______________________________________________________________________________________________David B Wechsler The Dow Chemical Company

30A-34Revise and add new sentences shown under 831 and A831 and modify Table 831 as

indicated831 Table 831 shall be used to delineate and classify areas for the purposes of installing electrical wiring and

electrical utilization equipment (See also Figure 831) WARNING The US National Electrical Code has differentequipment and installation requirements from other International Standards Therefore for example equipment used inEurope may not be acceptable for installation in the USA831 The designation and decision installation and use of electrical equipment for Classes and Divisions in

hazardous (classified) locations are defined Article 500 501 and 504 of NFPA 70 National Electrical Code Thedesignation and design installation and use of electrical equipment for Classes and Zones in hazardous (classified)locations are defined in Article 505 and 504 of NFPA 70 National Electrical Code The designation and designinstallation and use of electrical equipment in lsquoZonesrsquo Zone 0 Zone 1 and Zone 2 are addressed in other internationalstandardsWithin Table 831 add a new column titled ldquoZones and copy the information from the Class I Zone column into this

new columnAlternatively to all of the above remove the ldquoZonesrdquo column completely from Table 831

While the stated intent of this proposal is understood as being to try and deal with the internationalnature of applying NFPA 30A there are problems with the approach presented by a simple extraction from the NECFirst as presented the new column only addresses the US Zone methodology The US Zone methodology for

flammable vapor gases liquids and combustible vapors and liquids is identified by the terms lsquoClass I Zone 0rsquo lsquoClass IZone 1rsquo and lsquoClass I Zone 2rsquo However under the IEC or ATEX (aka Europe International) the terms are simply lsquoZone0rsquo lsquoZone 1rsquo or lsquoZone 2rsquo Therefore the table revision is not correct for international useSecond this TIA and proposal was to lsquoincorporate the (European) Zone System of designating hazardous (classified)

locations and the allowable wiring methods and electrical utilization devices that can be used in themrsquo However the USNEC is not an international code Thus while the US NEC Article 505 does permit the use of the Class I Zonemethodology adding this column in NFPA 30A does not address the more complex nature of the design and installationproblems associated with Zone certified equipment in the US The NEC under Article 5059 Equipment provides for theuse of only AEx equipment as may be seen for example under paragraph ldquo(2) Zone Equipment Equipment meeting oneor more of the protection techniques described in 5058 shall be marked with all of the following in the order shown(1) Class(2) Zone(3) Symbol ldquoAExrdquo(4) Protection technique(s) in accordance with Table 5059(C)(2)(4)(5) Applicable gas classification group(s) in accordance with Table 9(C)(1)(2)Without adding additional text usersinspectors etc may think using Zones is just like using the Division methodology

This is not true and equipment not otherwise permitted under the US NEC may be installed because of the impliedactions currently reflected in this proposal This is a significant issue

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Report on Comments ndash June 2011 NFPA 30A_______________________________________________________________________________________________30A- Log 9

_______________________________________________________________________________________________Donald R Offerdahl North Dakota State Electrical Board

30A-36Insert figure for 831(B)

Insert Artwork Figure 831(A) and 831(B) Here

Proposal 30A-36 should have been accepted in principal these types of storage tanks and dispensersare widely used in farms construction sites and business fleet operations

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Report on Comments ndash June 2011 NFPA 30A_______________________________________________________________________________________________30A- Log 5

_______________________________________________________________________________________________Mindy Wang Ampco Safety Tools

30A-39Not proposing new text Please see comment in Substantiation

Although procedures for cleanup of spills is not within the scope of NFPA 30A we feel compelled toaddress API 2214 referenced by the Committee Information presented below shows API 2214 is misleading andundermines safe work practices In fact API 2214 conflicts with OSHA regulations Accredited Standards Developerrsquosstandards and safe work practices FM Approvals LLC formerly Factory Mutual Research Corporation (FM) is an international organization recognized

by the US government as a Nationally Recognized Testing Laboratory (NRTL) for scientific research and productcertification Product approval from a NRTL assures that products meet consensus-based standards of safety to providethe assurance required by OSHA that these products are safe for use in the United States workplace FM ApprovalStandard 7910 Spark Resistant Tools is used as guidance to evaluate tools intended for use in environments wherethere is a risk of ignition of flammable materials dusts or vapors resulting from sparks created by iron and steel handtools These tools prevent the ignition of flammable materials dusts or vapors by mechanical sparks created by the useof iron and steel hand tools slipping or striking a surface American Petroleum Institute (API) Publication 2214contradicts NRTL research and product certification as evidence in FM Approvals granted for spark resistance toolsFM has conducted tests of Ampco Safety Tools as covered in Report Job Identification No IN4A0AF in accordancewith the requirements of Safety Tools Approval Test Procedure Class 7910 and test results show

Sparks created from steel plates ignited carbon disulfide saturated pads eight of eight tests ethyl ether pads fiveof eight tests and naphtha VMampP four of eight tests

No sparks were observed and no ignition of the flammable liquids mentioned above from approved Ampco SafetyTools Other investigations also contradict APIrsquos conclusion on non-sparking tools A paper published in the Fire Protection

Journal ldquoThe Danger of Incendive Sparksrdquo stated that after APIrsquos conclusion on ldquonon-sparkingrdquo tools Institute ofPetroleum sought the advice of the Fire Research Board Committee on Industrial Fires and Explosion This committeecame to certain conclusions one of which was ldquoUntilhellipevidence is obtained to show that the impact of steel hand toolson steel is safe it is advisable to use non-sparking tools in situations where flammable atmospheres are unavoidablerdquo The NFPA Fire Protection Handbook 20th edition published in January 2008 does not support the conclusion that

API 2214 represents In fact many NFPA codes the use of ldquonon-sparkingrdquo tools in flammable atmospheresAccording to NFPA Fire Protection Handbook ldquoWhen flammable and combustible liquids are stored or handled theliquid is usually exposed to the air at some stage in the operation except where the storage is confined to sealedcontainers that are not filled or opened on the premises or where handling is in closed systems and vapor losses arerecovered Even when the storage or handling is in a closed system there is always the possibility of breaks or leakswhich permit the liquid to escape It is a to eliminate sources of ignition in places where low flashpointflammable liquids are stored handled or used even though no vapor may ordinarily be presentrdquo NFPA 921 Guide for Fire and Explosion Investigations 2008 Edition Chapter 5 Basic Fire Science Table 5711

Reported Burning and Sparking Temperature of Selected Ignition Sources under Mechanical Sparks lists a Steel tooltemperature at 2550degF When working with flammable gases liquids or vapors a potential hazard arises because of thepossibility that sparks produced by steel or iron tools can become an ignition source OSHA Flammable and Combustible Liquids regulation 29 CFR Parts 1910106(b) on tank storage paragraph

1910106(b)(6) states that precaution shall be taken to eliminate or control sources of ignitions including frictional heatand mechanical sparks to prevent the ignition of flammable vapors In OSHA regulation 29 CFR 1910146 Permit-Required Confined Spaces Appendix D Confined Space Pre-Entry

Check List non-sparking tool is listed as one type of entry equipment OSHA 29 CFR 1910146 StandardInterpretations Interpretative guidance and equipment approved for hazardous locations relative to the Permit-RequiredConfined Spaces states that ldquohellipthe standard does not prohibit entry into a permit space where a hazardous flammableatmosphere is at or above the 10 LFL For concentrations at or above 10 LFL paragraph (d) would theemployer to incorporate safe work procedures to address the flammableexplosive hazard (such as equipment approvedfor hazardous locations) in the entry plan for those spaces Electrical equipment as well as other sources of ignition(non-sparking hand tools) be considered and addressed for the hazardous atmosphererdquo OSHA regulation 29 CFR Parts 1910120 Hazardous waste operations and emergency response paragraph

1910120(j)(2)(v) requires that ldquoWhen there is a reasonable possibility of flammable atmospheres being present

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Report on Comments ndash June 2011 NFPA 30Amaterial handling equipment and hand tools shall be of the type to prevent sources of ignition EPA has identifiedsolvents such as xylene acetone ethyl acetate ethyl benzene and ethyl ether commonly used in all industries (theF-list) and discarded commercial chemical products such as acetone benzene ethyl ether and xylene (the P-list andU-list) as ignitable hazardous wastes API members such as ExxonMobil and Chevron as well as others in the petroleum industry such as Valero CITGO

Petroleum Corporation Chem-Supply Pty Ltd Irving Oil Ltd Petrol Star Inc Nova Chemicals and El Paso Corporationregularly the use of ldquonon-sparkingrdquo tools under Accidental Release Measures and Handling and Storage sectionsin the MSDSrsquos for their petroleum products These companies clearly recognize the need for ldquonon-sparkingrdquo tools inworking with and around flammable materials API 2214 Section 12 Background ldquohellipthese engineers pointed out that although numerous opportunities existed for

the production of sparks from violent contact of steel objects with other steel objects there was a negligible record offires resulting from such a causerdquo On the contrary there are a number of documented incidents involving flammablevapors ignited by steel sparks from tools A few examples are as follows

OSHA inspection 300965795 an employee in the process of cleaning loose material from drill piping with ametal hammer While striking the pipe with a hammer an explosion occurred Employee was killed in the explosion onsite

OSHA inspection 2272953 two employees were assigned the job of tending a 100 gallon (water jacket) reactorkettle of methyl methacrylate in the mixing room Employee 1 used a metal wrench (visegrips) to pry open the cover ofa kettle The wrench handle struck the angle iron support for the agitator motor producing a spark Employee 2noticed the spark which was immediately followed by a massive ldquofire ballrdquo Both employees were engulfed in thefireball Employee 3 came to the area to assist the other employees The investigation states that non-sparking toolswere not provided for the employees All three employees received first and second degree burns on their face armsand abdomen Employee 2 also received some third degree burns All three employees were hospitalized

OSHA inspection 124728437 Employee 1 and a coworker both maintenance mechanics were working in a 30inch by 36 inch manhole at a gas station Employee 1 was trying to change a fuel pump while the coworker watchedfrom outside the manhole Employee 1 was using an Allen wrench to loosen the bolts on the fuel pump lead when hecreated a spark that ignited the gas fumes in the manhole causing an explosion Employee 1 suffered burns to hisface hands arms and legs in the explosion and was hospitalized

OSHA inspection 111109237 Employee 1 or 3 attempted to cut a metal pipe with a metal saw whileEmployee 2 was standing on top of one of two 5000 gallon gas tanks trying to remove a tank fitting Sparks from thesaw the pipe wrench or another unknown source ignited the gas vapors which exploded Employees 1 and 3 werekilled of burns at the scene Employee 2 died at the burn center as a result of burns sustained in the explosion

OSHA inspection 102826625 Employee 1 worked for a company that cleans paints and replaces valves in LPand MAPP gas cylinders Before removing an old valve Employee 1 would open the valve to let the residual gas leakout on the loading dock Where there was a large quantity of cylinders Employee 1 would invert the cylinder so theresidual gas could vent faster Employee 1 had an accumulation of a gas and air mixture around his work area Thevapors were ignited either by a spark from the metal screwdriver he was using to open a damaged valve or by an openflame burner approximately 40 feet away There was a fire and explosion The employee sustained 2nd and 3rd degreeburns on the lower half of his body and was hospitalized

OSHA inspection 607366 an employee was sawing an airplane wing into sections with a portable powered handsaw the saw created a spark that caused an explosion of gasoline vapors in the wing fuel tank Employee 1 killed andEmployee 2 injured in explosion and was hospitalized

OSHA inspection 309178523 employer was cited for violating Section 5(a)(1) of the Occupational Safety andHealth Act of 1970 often referred to as the General Duty Clause which requires employers to furnish to each of hisemployees employment and a place of employment which are free from recognized hazards that are causing or arelikely to cause death or serious physical harm to his employees for exposing employee to an explosion hazard byopening the hydrogen tube trailer main valve without using non-sparking tools

OSHA inspection 304994304 employer was cited for violating Section 5(a)(1) of the Occupational Safety andHealth Act of 1970 violation for exposing employee to a fireexplosion hazard while performing maintenance operationson LP gas tanks with ferrous tools One feasible and acceptable abatement method to correct this hazard is toimplement the use of non- sparking toolsThe Report of the BP US Refineries independent Safety Review Panel also known as the Baker Panel Report states

that ldquoPreventing process accidents requires vigilance The passing of time without a process accident is not necessarilyan indicator that all is well and may contribute to a dangerous and growing sense of complacencyrdquo This sample ofOSHA documented events illustrates accidents do happen when proper safety measures are not taken againstmechanical sparks from steel tools as a possible ignition sourceHaving said that we appreciate the Committeersquos time and agree with the Committee that procedures for cleanup of

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Report on Comments ndash June 2011 NFPA 30Aspills is not within the scope of NFPA 30A

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Report on Comments ndash June 2011 NFPA 30A_______________________________________________________________________________________________30A- Log 7

_______________________________________________________________________________________________Robert Bourke Northeastern Regional Fire Code Development Committee

30A-19Add a new section to read 11721 Where approved by the Authority Having Jurisdiction piers

that extend more than 152 m (500 ft) in travel distance from shore shall be permitted to provide a Class I standpipe thatis installed in accordance with NFPA 14 Standard for the Installation of Standpipe and Hose Systems

The TC missed the point in the substantiation of the proposalIt was not the intent of the proposal to obtain additional flexibility of FD use over that which is provided by a Class III

standpipe system The intent of the proposal was to provide relief from the requirement where the local AHJ feels thatthe effectiveness and likelihood of occupant use of fire hoses does not justify the added risk to the occupant or theinstallation and maintenance costs associated with the requisite hose for a Class III system A Class I system would stillprovide FD fire fighting capabilities in jurisdictions where the AHJ prefers occupants to evacuate and not attempt to fightfires beyond portable fire extinguisher capability

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From Benedetti BobTo bcotnerswriorgCc Harrington Greg Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiBcc May PaulSubject Inquiry NFPA 30 amp NFPA 30ADate Thursday July 08 2010 121900 PM

Good Morning Mr Cotner Greg Harrington asked that I respond to your question about the proper use ofintermediate bulk containers Actually an intermediate bulk container is a shipping vessel that must meetrequirements and specifications of the U S Department of Transportation for shippingmaterials from Point A to Point B It is not intended to be a storage vessel althoughthe liquid contained is obviously dispensed from the vessel for use Dispensing of motor fuels is covered by NFPA 30A Code for Motor Fuel DispensingFacilities and Repair Garages NFPA 30A states in Subsection 421 421 Liquids shall be stored in the following(1) Approved closed containers that do not exceed 227 L (60 gal) capacity and arelocated outside buildings(2) Tanks or approved closed containers located inside motor fuel dispensingfacilities or repair garages(3) Aboveground tanks underground tanks and containers in accordance with therequirements of Section 43(4) Tanks supplying marine service stations in accordance with Section 112 Section 43 states the following 432 Aboveground Storage Tanks Except as modified by the provisions of thissubsection aboveground storage tanks shall meet all applicable requirements ofChapters 21 through 23 and 27 of NFPA 30 Flammable and Combustible Liquids Code So in accordance with NFPA 30A Subsection 421(3) indicates that abovegroundstorage of motor fuel must be in a tank that meets the provisions of Section 43 Thelatter in turn references the Chapters in NFPA 30 that deal with fixed storage tanks Nowhere in these chapters is there any reference to an intermediate bulk container Chapter 9 of NFPA 30 does recognize an intermediate bulk container for warehouse-type storage of Class I flammable liquids but does not anticipate continual dispensingand use One could evaluate an intermediate bulk container as a means of long-term storageand dispensing of liquids under the Equivalency clause My opinion is that an intermediate bulk container is not considered a substitute for anaboveground storage tank but this is not specifically stated in the relevant codes This issue will be added to the agendas for the Technical Committees involved Please understand that this response is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 ofNFPArsquos Regulations Governing Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon todefinitively determine compliance with any laws ordinances rules or regulations Todetermine legal compliance you should refer to the appropriate authority havingjurisdiction or seek legal advice It is not intended nor should it be relied upon toprovide professional consultation or services To determine the adequacy or safety ofany device or installation you should consult with an appropriate professional

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I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write Iwill be happy to assist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant toNFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does notnecessarily represent the official position of the NFPA or its Technical Committees Inaddition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it be relied upon to provideprofessional consultation or services cc 30IFI 30AIFI AUVNM FLCSWCNM FLCTANNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

If you have a reported fire in your home the risk of dyingdecreases by about 80 percent when sprinklers are present

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From Harrington Greg Sent Wednesday July 07 2010 350 PMTo Benedetti BobSubject FW Intermediate Bulk Containers Hi Bob Can you answer the question below Hersquos a friend of mine former inspector with San Antonio FD when Iworked down there now a safety guy at SWRI Thanks a lot --Greg

From Bill Cotner [mailtobcotnerswriorg] Sent Wednesday July 07 2010 332 PMTo Harrington GregSubject Intermediate Bulk Containers Hey Greg howrsquos the heat in Boston here it is a balmy 93 enjoying it I have a question probably out ofyour area but Irsquom sure you know who to route it to We have a group here that wants to dispense fuelfrom a stainless steel IBC into test engines I donrsquot think that is the intended use or what it has beenlisted for Can I get some guidance on this issue I appreciate anything you can do for me Bill Bill CotnerSenior Fire SpecialistEnvironmental Safety and Quality SystemsSouthwest Research InstitutePhone (210) 522-5101Fax (210) 522-5093Mobile (210) 669-7005Email bcotner swriorg

From Benedetti BobTo Ebanks DesmondCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiBcc May PaulSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Monday June 14 2010 35400 PM

Good afternoon Mr Ebanks The intent of Subsection 422 of NFPA 30A Code for Motor Fuel Dispensing Facilities and RepairGarages is that there be no direct piped connection between the aboveground storage tank inthe bulk plant and the fuel dispensing device in the motor fuel dispensing facility In my opinionthis includes any intervening underground storage tank The hazard being addressed is the potential to overfill the underground storage tank due to thestatic head of the liquid in the aboveground storage tank Please understand that this response is a personal opinion and does not constitute a FormalInterpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 of NFPArsquos RegulationsGoverning Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitively determine compliancewith any laws ordinances rules or regulations To determine legal compliance you shouldrefer to the appropriate authority having jurisdiction or seek legal advice It is not intended norshould it be relied upon to provide professional consultation or services To determine theadequacy or safety of any device or installation you should consult with an appropriateprofessional I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will behappy to assist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPARegulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarilyrepresent the official position of the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition thiscorrespondence is neither intended nor should it be relied upon to provide professional consultation orservices cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg Attend the premier event for fire life safety and electrical professionals

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From Ebanks Desmond [mailtoDesmondEbanksgovky] Sent Monday May 24 2010 940 AMTo Benedetti BobSubject bulk storage supply to motor fuel facilities Hi Bob NFPA 30A (2003) 422 gives to positions in relation to motor fuel dispensing facilities (mfdf) that I would like to havefurther clarified for Code intent please The first is that dispensing devices at the mfdf shall not be supplied by ASTs located in the bulk plant Does this implythat supply from a UST (underground storage tank) in the bulk storage facility would be acceptable or to the other extentthat even if the bulk AST supplied a loading rack which in turn supplied a UST both in the bulk facility that supplyfrom the bulk AST is still not permitted The second statement refers to any storage tank at the mfdf saying they shall not be connected by piping to bulkfacility ASTs Similarly does this imply that a UST (underground storage tank) in the bulk storage facility would beacceptable or that if the bulk tank was connected to a loading rack and the loading rack connected by non-permanentmeans to an mfdf tank that this would be permissible RegardsDes EbanksAssistant Petroleum InspectorThe Petroleum InspectorateCayman Islands GovernmentAnderson Square 4th floorPO Box 31213Grand CaymanKY1-1205Cayman IslandsOffice 345 244 3458Mobile 345 925 3317Fax 345 949 0920Email desmondebanksgovky

From Benedetti BobTo Shriniwas BodhankarCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiBcc May PaulSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Monday June 14 2010 50100 PM

Good day Sir There has been no discussion by the Technical Committee on Automotive and Marine ServiceStations to alter the separation distances in Table 4324 of NFPA 30A Code for Motor FuelDispensing Facilities and Repair Garages as they pertain to liquid fuels including high flashpoint diesel fuels Also there have been no proposals to make such a change to NFPA 30A I trust this answers your question R P Benedetti cc -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

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From Shriniwas Bodhankar [mailtobodhankarenoccom] Sent Tuesday June 01 2010 536 AMTo Maynard Mary Benedetti BobSubject NFPA 30 A Dear sir Reference is made to table no 4324 of NFPA code 30A specifying the minimum distance between storagetanks and dispensing equipment A dispenser should be placed minimum 50 feet away from a bunded abovegroundsteel tank to meet this requirementIn our opinion this is too stringent and uncalled for in case of high flash diesel ( Flash point above 65 degreecentigrade) A bunded tank where spill can be contained within bund is as safe as a vaulted tankfire resistanttankprotected tank Therefore it is equally safe to install an approved dispensing device immediately outside thebund provided the vent of the tank is 4 meters above the grade level on which the dispensing device is installedVarious international oil companies like SHELL amp BP carry similar installations for their fleet customers of dieselMoreover there are standard skids being marketed in EUROPE (even for gasoline) which have storage tanks and

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dispensers on same skid and such an arrangement is accepted by ldquoAuthority Having Jurisdictionrdquo(AHJ)Kindly advise if this standard requirement is being reviewed or otherwise if based on performance based designsuch a requirement may be waived or considered as ldquo highly recommendedrdquo in the leastBased on your feedback we wish to discuss this with AHJ in UAE Regards Regards Shriniwas BodhankarSenior EHS Compliance Officer( Special Projects)Group EHSQ Compliance DepartmentEmirates National Oil Company Limited (ENOC) LLC ENOC House I PO Box 6442Dubai United Arab EmiratesDirect +971 4 313 4437Fax +971 4 313 4482bodhankarenoccom | wwwenoccom

This message together with any attachments contains confidential information and is intended only for the use of theaddressee(s) and may contain information which is covered by legal professional or other privilege If you are not theintended recipient please inform the sender immediately and delete this e-mail You should not copy this e-mail or use itfor any purpose nor disclose its contents to any other person ENOC does not warrant that this transmission is virus freeand will not be liable for any damages resulting from any virus ENOC Dubai UAE

From Benedetti BobTo EActonccfireusCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiBcc May PaulSubject Inquiry NFPA 30A amp NFPA 30Date Monday August 02 2010 44400 PMAttachments DSC06169JPG

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Good day Mr Acton Fire protection provisions for major and minor repair garages and ldquolube-onlyrdquofacilities which is the topic of your concern are provided in NFPA 30A Code for MotorFuel Dispensing Facilities and Repair Garages currently 2008 edition Chapter 5 ofNFPA 30A covers piping systems but its specific provisions focus on piping systemsbetween fuel storage tanks and fuel dispensers Chapter 5 also directly referencesChapter 27 of the 2008 edition of NFPA 30 Flammable and Combustible Liquids Code(successor to Chapter 5 of the 2003 edition) Subsection 527 of NFPA 30A allows piping made from low-melting point materials tobe installed in exposed areas but only in specific locations These are limited tocontainment sumps under dispensers containment sumps for underground fuelstorage tanks and sumps for below-grade piping connections Chapter 5 of NFPA 30Ais silent on piping inside buildings Therefore the user is left with the provisions ofChapter 27 of NFPA 30 NFPA 30 in turn does allow piping fabricated of low melting point materials to beused exposed outdoors or inside buildings with the following provisions ldquo27441 Such materials shall be permitted to be used outdoors above ground orinside buildings provided they meet one of the following conditions (1) They are resistant to damage by fire(2) They are located so that any leakage resulting from failure will not exposepersons important buildings or structures(3) They are located where leakage can be controlled by operation of one or moreaccessible remotely located valvesrdquo Regardless of the material of construction of the piping and components the followinggeneral requirement from Chapter 27 of NFPA 30 always applies ldquo273 General Requirements2731 Performance Standards The design fabrication assembly test and inspectionof piping systems shall be suitable for the working pressures and structural stresses tobe encountered by the piping system Compliance with applicable sections of ASMEB31 Code for Pressure Piping and the provisions of this chapter shall be consideredprima facie evidence of compliance with the foregoing provisions2732 Tightness of Piping Piping systems shall be maintained liquidtight A pipingsystem that has leaks that constitute a hazard shall be emptied of liquid or repaired ina manner acceptable to the authority having jurisdictionrdquo Your interpretation of Subsection 511 of the 2003 edition of NFPA 30 (2711 in the2008 edition) is correct the chapter applies to any piping system that handles aflammable or combustible liquid regardless of pressure Likewise you are correct thatthe piping system must meet the provisions of ASME B31 for the material chosen andthe anticipated operating pressures and temperatures (531 in the 2003 edition 2741 in the 2008 edition) However low melting point materials (aluminum copperbrass and polymeric materials) are allowed under the provisions of Subsection 534(2003 edition) and 2744 (2008 edition) What must be determined is does thepiping system comply with one of the conditions stated in 27441 as stated above

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Please understand that this response is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 ofNFPArsquos Regulations Governing Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon todefinitively determine compliance with any laws ordinances rules or regulations Todetermine legal compliance you should refer to the appropriate authority havingjurisdiction or seek legal advice It is not intended nor should it be relied upon toprovide professional consultation or services To determine the adequacy or safety ofany device or installation you should consult with an appropriate professional I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write Iwill be happy to assist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant toNFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does notnecessarily represent the official position of the NFPA or its Technical Committees Inaddition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it be relied upon to provideprofessional consultation or services cc 30IFI 30AIFI AUVNM FLCTANNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

If you have a reported fire in your home the risk of dyingdecreases by about 80 percent when sprinklers are present

wwwfiresprinklerinitiativeorgNotice The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intendedfor the exclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential andor privileged information If you arenot the intended recipient please notify Robert Benedetti immediately by replying to the message or by calling(617) 984-7433 Please delete this message and any attachments from your system Thank you

From Eric Acton [mailtoEActonccfireus] Sent Monday July 19 2010 636 PMTo Benedetti BobSubject InterpretationOpinion request

Good day My name is Eric Acton I am the Fire Marshal for Campbell CountyWyoming and Irsquom employed by Campbell County Fire Department My NFPA

membership number is 2755369 My mailing and email addresses are listed below I am in need of a technical opinion regarding 2003 NFPA 30 Chapter 5 or morecurrently 2008 NFPA 30A Chapter 5 Some brief project backgroundAn owner within my jurisdiction has built a commercial lube-oil center to servicecustomersrsquo vehicles A ldquopitrdquo exists below the service bay to allow workers to drainthe oil from the vehicle then workers on the main floor refill the oil by use ofpressurized nozzles Several motor oil storage tanks are located in the pitaccounting for several brands and viscosities of oil The tanks are designed to befilled by use of a piping system which extends from an exterior connection vault toeach of the storage tanks using gravity to move the product in the fill-pipingsystem The material the owner chose to construct the fill-piping system wasldquostandardrdquo 1-12rdquo Schedule 40 PVC and Parker Series 7094 Electrically Non-Conductive rubber hose The piping system is exposed it is not underground nor isit protected from flame by means of a fire-rated chase Having identified the use of combustible liquids in this occupancy I utilized 2006International Fire Code (as adopted by my jurisdiction) Chapter 34 Flammable andCombustible Liquids to review and inspect the project IFC Section 340362referred me to NFPA 30 Chapter 5 for the construction materials to use where Iinterpreted (2003 version) 30511 to mean that the piping system components (pipetubing flanges bolting gaskets valves fittingshellip) must meet the requirementsregardless of pressure And that the following components specified in theparagraph must meet the requirements ONLY if they contained pressure ndashhelliprdquoexpansion joints and strainers and devices such thathelliprdquo I further interpreted(2003 version) 30531 Material Specifications similarly in that the ldquoPipe valvesfaucets couplingshelliprdquo must meet the requirements regardless of pressure while ldquohellipother pressure-containing partshelliprdquo meant ONLY the other parts that containedpressure Verbatim to 30511 is encountered in 2008 NFPA 30A Chapter 5paragraph 51 Scope The owner states his piping complies with the standard cited because it is gravity-fed hence no ldquopressurerdquo is seen by the piping components I maintain that thepiping system shall consist of metal pipe (or another material meeting therequirements of ASME B31 as allowed by 2003 NFPA 30531) to comply with NFPA30 and IFC Some assistance to resolve this problem is greatly appreciated I have attachedsome photographs for clarification Thanks for your attentionEric

Eric ActonFire MarshalCampbell County Fire Department 106 Rohan Avenue Gillette WY 82716 (307) 682-5319 ext 8912(307) 686-2222 Fax(307) 680-9612 Cell

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From Benedetti BobTo Howard Jim (Woodbridge)Cc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiBcc May PaulSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Monday June 28 2010 115100 AM

Good morning Mr Howard First I appreciate your patience with me while I reviewed the information sent to meby yourself and Mr Luby of Veeder-Root I wanted to ensure that I thoroughlyunderstood how the system functions in its line leak detection mode My understanding of the arrangement of the piping system from the pair ofunderground storage tanks is that the electronic line leak detector the PLLD tests thesupply piping from the two submersible pumps to the dispensers as a single system This includes the direct piping run from the master pump to the dispensers AND thepiping that connects the slave pump to the direct piping run The intent of Subsection 642 of the 2008 edition of NFPA 30A Code for Motor FuelDispensing Facilities and Repair Garages is to ensure that some type of leak detectiondevice monitors the piping from the submersible pump to the dispensers in such amanner that a leak in the piping leading to the dispensers or in the dispensersthemselves is detected and notification of a leak given Since the two pumps act intandem and since the entire piping system from the pumps to the dispensers ismonitored my personal opinion is that the intent of Subsection 642 is met andevaluation of the system described as being equivalent to what is required bySubsection 642 is reasonable Whether the system described meets the criteria of Section 15 Equivalency of NFPA30A must be determined by the authority having jurisdiction As NFPA Staff Liaison forNFPA 30A I cannot make such a determination under NFPArsquos Regulations GoverningCommittee Projects Please understand that this response is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 ofNFPArsquos Regulations Governing Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon todefinitively determine compliance with any laws ordinances rules or regulations Todetermine legal compliance you should refer to the appropriate authority havingjurisdiction or seek legal advice It is not intended nor should it be relied upon toprovide professional consultation or services To determine the adequacy or safety ofany device or installation you should consult with an appropriate professional I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write Iwill be happy to assist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant toNFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does notnecessarily represent the official position of the NFPA or its Technical Committees Inaddition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it be relied upon to provideprofessional consultation or services cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids Engineer

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National Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

If you have a reported fire in your home the risk of dyingdecreases by about 80 percent when sprinklers are present

wwwfiresprinklerinitiativeorgNotice The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intendedfor the exclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential andor privileged information If you arenot the intended recipient please notify Robert Benedetti immediately by replying to the message or by calling(617) 984-7433 Please delete this message and any attachments from your system Thank you

From Howard Jim (Woodbridge) [mailtoJHowardhesscom] Sent Monday June 14 2010 1144 AMTo Benedetti BobCc Howard Jim (Woodbridge) Bob Luby Subject Importance High Bob It was a pleasure talking to you this morning regarding the Line Leak Detection applicationin place at Hess Station 08501 - Milltown DE (drawing attached) as well as several thousandlocations worldwide Here is some background information on this installation

Site had 3 - 10000 gallon gasoline tanks 1 - 10000 Regular (87) 1 - 10000 Plus (89) 1 - 10000 Premium (93) prior to our Dispenser Replacement Project Because of theoverwhelming demand for Regular gasoline (887 in 2009) we converted the existingPlus tank to additional Regular storageDispensers were replaced with new Blend Dispensers Tanks were not manifoldedRegular and former-Plus product lines were manifolded at each dispenserWe installed Veeder-Root PLLDs (Electronic Line Leak Detectors) on the Regular 1and Premium STPs We installed a non-vented Swift Check on Regular 2 (formerPlus) STP Because the PLLD is vented we MUST install a non-vented swift check onRegular STP 2 in order to test the system as a wholeWe have demonstrated via post-construction testing that the system will pick up a 3gph leak

The State of DE has questioned our compliance with NFPA 30A 642 Each pump shallhave installed on the discharge side a listed leak detection device that will provide an audibleor visible indication if the piping or a dispenser is leaking Each leak-detecting device shallbe checked and tested at least annually according to the manufacturers specifications toensure proper installation and operation

Can you comment on whether the system shown on the attached and described above and onour call meets the NFPA requirement or if it meets the definition of Equivalency as definedin Chapter 15 - Equivalency Thank you in advance for your consideration in this matter Please do not hesitate to contactme if there are any questions or concerns on this application ThanksJim Howard RFMPManager Maintenance amp UST ComplianceHess Corporation732-750-6220 (office)800-903-4801 (Emergency Hotline)E-mail UST Inspections to USTCompliancehesscomFax UST Inspections to 866-435-6744

This e-mail and any attachments are for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may containinformation that is confidential If you are not the intended recipient(s) and have received this e-mail in error please immediately notify the sender by return e-mail and delete this e-mail fromyour computer Any distribution disclosure or the taking of any other action by anyone other thanthe intended recipient(s) is strictly prohibited

From Benedetti BobTo Gary KostalCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiBcc May PaulSubject Inquiry NFPA 30 NFPA 30ADate Tuesday August 10 2010 43200 PM

Good afternoon Mr Kostal There are no provisions in NFPA 30 Flammable and Combustible Liquids Code togovern dispensing of motor fuels into motorized equipment and the devices youdescribe are not mentioned at all in NFPA 30 or in the only other related NFPAdocument that might apply NFPA 30A Code for Motor Fuel Dispensing Facilities andRepair Garages I cannot say that these units are either allowed or disallowed because neither NFPA30 nor NFPA 30A speaks about them The only provisions that might apply are the quantity limitations established in thesetwo codes depending on which code applies If the maintenance building is considered an industrial occupancy then Chapter 9 ofNFPA 30 establishes a maximum allowable quantity for of 120 gallons for Class Iliquids (The maximum allowable quantity is actually a threshold value Up to theMAQ compliance with NFPA 30 is not required above it NFPA 30 applies) If the maintenance building is considered a repair garage then NFPA 30A takesprecedence It also sets a 120 gallon limit on the maximum quantity of Class I liquid In both cases the quantity of fuel involved is 50 percent of the maximum allowed Myopinion is that there is no violation of either NFPA 30 or NFPA 30A Please understand that this response is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 ofNFPArsquos Regulations Governing Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon todefinitively determine compliance with any laws ordinances rules or regulations Todetermine legal compliance you should refer to the appropriate authority havingjurisdiction or seek legal advice It is not intended nor should it be relied upon toprovide professional consultation or services To determine the adequacy or safety ofany device or installation you should consult with an appropriate professional I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write Iwill be happy to assist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant toNFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does notnecessarily represent the official position of the NFPA or its Technical Committees Inaddition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it be relied upon to provideprofessional consultation or services cc 30IFI 30AIFI-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch Park

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Quincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg Important Notice This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPA RegulationsAny opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarily represent the officialposition of the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition this correspondence is neither intended norshould it be relied upon to provide professional consultation or services

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From Gary Kostal [mailtogarykbloomingdalefirecom] Sent Monday August 09 2010 328 PMTo Benedetti BobSubject Looking for assistance - portable gas caddies Membership 2329840 Gary KostalFire Prevention DirectorBloomingdale Fire District Question (Non-formal opinion) I have a country club where they service a very large number of lawn maintenance equipment on a dailybasis They are utilizing a portable gas container (gas caddy) that holds approximately 30 gallons ofgasoline The unit is equipped with a hand style pump which is located on the top of the tank Fuel isdispensed from this tank as you crank the pump There are no nozzles located on the hose These gascaddies are being used inside their maintenance building which is fully fire sprinkled They are presentlyusing two of these devices inside the same building which is basically one days use

My question is are these devices allowed for this type of dispensing Are they required to be equippedwith a self closing nozzle What NFPA sections would apply to this particular type of device Thank you for your assistance in this matter

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From Benedetti BobTo SheldonSchallWisconsingovCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Wednesday September 30 2009 45929 PM

Good afternoon Sheldon I will here provide more detailed answers to your questions as posed in the email you sent to me today Section 30A-4323 limits tank storage capacity for Class I and II No limit for Class IIIA or IIIB

You are correct The intent of 4323 is to limit the capacities only of those tanks that storeClass I and II liquids Recall that when NFPA 30A initially allowed aboveground storage tanks atvehicle fueling sites biofuels were not in the picture just gasoline (Class I) and diesel fuel (ClassII) The Technical Committee at the time did not conceive that there would be the need to storeClass III fuels because there werenrsquot any The bottom line NFPA 30A does not limit the capacityof an aboveground storage tank that holds a motor fuel that is a Class III liquid

Section 30A-4324 refers to setbacks in Table 4324 No indication that these setbacks are specific toor exclude any class of flammable or combustible so it appears that the setbacks apply to Class I -Class IIIB liquids This table appears to conflict with the previous section for Class IIIA amp IIIB liquids

This is again correct that the separation distances in Table 4324 are not specific to anyparticular Class of liquid There is no conflict however 4323 deals with tank capacities 4324 deals with separation distances for the tanks Since 4324 does not specify anyparticular liquid class(es) it applies to ALL liquid classes

Section 30A-4325 allows an increased capacity for Class II and III liquids at fleet facilities Thisappears to conflict with section 4323 for Class III liquids which didnt have a capacity limit to startwith

Here there is a conflict or at least a serious inconsistency This provision was added one or twoeditions after 4323 and it appears that biofuels are beginning to be recognized It also appearsthat the intent here was to allow a relaxation of one limit in favor of a more liberal one Theproblem is the original limit doesnrsquot exist making it arguable that the application of 4325 toClass III liquids is meaningless Given the obvious intent here for some limit on Class III liquidfuels 4323 should be amended to include Class IIIs

Section 30A-4327 addresses dispensing from an aboveground tank for Class I and II liquids based uponspecific conditions

Paragraph 4322 is a hold-over dating back to when service stations were covered in Chapter 7of the old versions of NFPA 30 This set of requirements should also be amended to include ClassIIIs

Section 30A-4328 refers to NFPA 30-2171 for spill and overfill This section only applies to class Iand II liquids

While it is true that Subsection 2171 of NFPA 30 only applies to Classes I and II I do not believeit is a conflict for NFPA 30A to also apply it to Class III as well if the Technical Committee it isappropriate to do so However the language needs to be improved or an Annex item should beadded to explain the extrapolation and the reason for it

I will add this to the next meetingrsquos agenda for the Technical Committee on Automotive and MarineService Stations As usual the following applies Please understand that this response to your inquiry is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 of NFPArsquos RegulationsGoverning Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitively determine compliance with anylaws ordinances rules or regulations To determine the adequacy or safety of any device or installationyou should consult with an appropriate professional To determine legal compliance you should refer tothe appropriate authority having jurisdiction or seek legal advice

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I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will be happy toassist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarily represent the official positionof the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it berelied upon to provide professional consultation or services cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

Fire Prevention Week is October 4 ndash 10 2009 Visit wwwfirepreventionweekorg or call 800-344-3555 for moreinformation NFPA Seminars - Apply the codes with confidenceRegister at wwwnfpalearnorg NFPA Membership keeps you up-to-dateVisit wwwnfpaorgjoin for more information Or call 800-344-3555Notice The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for theexclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential andor privileged information If you are not the intendedrecipient please notify Robert Benedetti immediately by replying to the message or by calling (617) 984-7433 Please deletethis message and any attachments from your system Thank you Considering the variables in the sections referenced above are the setbacks in Table 4324 intended toapply to Class IIIA andor Class IIIB liquids for public fueling

From Schall Sheldon - COMMERCE [mailtoSheldonSchallWisconsingov] Sent Wednesday September 30 2009 832 AMTo Benedetti BobSubject NFPA 30A-4324 inquiry - URGENT Section 30A-4323 limits tank storage capacity for Class I and II No limit for Class IIIA or IIIB trueSection 30A-4324 refers to setbacks in Table 4324 No indication that these setbacks are specific toor exclude any class of flammable or combustible so it appears that the setbacks apply to Class I -Class IIIB liquids This table appears to conflict with the previous section for Class IIIA amp IIIB liquids Also trueSection 30A-4325 allows an increased capacity for Class II and III liquids at fleet facilities Thisappears to conflict with section 4323 for Class III liquids which didnt have a capacity limit to startwith Either one or the other needs to changeSection 30A-4327 addresses dispensing from an aboveground tank for Class I and II liquids based uponspecific conditions Need to cover IIIBSection 30A-4328 refers to NFPA 30-2171 for spill and overfill This section only applies to class Iand II liquids Class IIIs need to be specifically addressed Considering the variables in the sections referenced above are the setbacks in Table 4324 intended toapply to Class IIIA andor Class IIIB liquids for public fueling

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From Benedetti BobTo Bill HickmanCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Monday December 14 2009 50332 PM

Good afternoon Mr Hickman To answer your question the separation distances in Table 4324 of NFPA 30A Code for MotorFuel Dispensing Facilities and Repair Garages are intended to apply to outside abovegroundstorage tanks for fuel where such is allowed The tanks inside a service station building majorrepair garage or minor repair garage would likely be handling Class IIIB liquids (flash point gt200 degF) only in accordance with Subsection 4392 of NFPA 30A Subsection 4392 does not set any specific requirements for separation between tanks inside abuilding although it does refer back to Chapters 21 through 23 of NFPA 30 Flammable andCombustible Liquids Code Shell-to-shell spacing distances for aboveground tanks areestablished in Table 22421 Table 22421 is intended for much large tanks than one wouldfind in a repair garage or ldquolube-onlyrdquo facility For example the minimum separation for tanksstoring Class IIIB liquids is 3 feet as set forth in 224212 But again the separationdistances in Chapter 22 of NFPA 30 are intended for tank farm application not for the muchsmaller tanks found in the type of occupancy governed by NFPA 30A Also any facility meeting the requirements of NFPA 30A is considered to be in compliance withNFPA 30 Please understand that this response to your inquiry is a personal opinion and does notconstitute a Formal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 ofNFPArsquos Regulations Governing Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitivelydetermine compliance with any laws ordinances rules or regulations To determine theadequacy or safety of any device or installation you should consult with an appropriateprofessional To determine legal compliance you should refer to the appropriate authorityhaving jurisdiction or seek legal advice I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will behappy to assist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPARegulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarilyrepresent the official position of the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition thiscorrespondence is neither intended nor should it be relied upon to provide professional consultation orservices cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg If you have a reported fire in your home the risk of dyingdecreases by about 80 percent when sprinklers are present

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From Bill Hickman [mailtoBillHickmanstatecous] Sent Tuesday December 01 2009 939 AMTo Benedetti BobSubject Inquiry NFPA 30A - Storage of Liquids Inside Buildings Mr Benedetti Id appreciate your interpretation on an item regarding aboveground tanks storing lubricants (newused oil) inside abuilding at a repair garage NFPA 30A 439 does not include specific spacing requirements for tanks inside buildings Where there are multiple tanks being stored inside the building is there no minimum separation distance requirementthat must be met or do the requirements of Table 4324 apply Thank you in advance for your assistance __________________________________ Bill HickmanInspectorTechnical SpecialistCO Division of Oil amp Public Safety303-378-5090

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From Benedetti BobTo Peznowski EdwardCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Thursday September 03 2009 30455 PM

Hi Ed The 1996 edition of the Flammable and Combustible Liquids Code Handbook was the last one prior to thecurrent 2008 edition The commentary hasnrsquot changed My recollection of the development of this text is that the intent of NFPA 30A Code for Motor FuelDispensing Facilities and Repair Garages is to isolate the motor fuel dispensing area and its attendanthazard completely from the rest of the structure regardless of what else might be in the structure Subsection 524 assumes that the installation involves a motor fuel dispensing operation inside abuilding where you would not expect to have same such as an office building A bus repair facility wouldbe probably classed as a major repair garage and would be expected to have fueling operations Thehazard of this is in my opinion no greater than the repair operations It could be that the language in Subsection 524 needs to be clarified so that it applies only to situationssuch as I first described Please understand that this response to your inquiry is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 of NFPArsquos RegulationsGoverning Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitively determine compliance with anylaws ordinances rules or regulations To determine the adequacy or safety of any device or installationyou should consult with an appropriate professional To determine legal compliance you should refer tothe appropriate authority having jurisdiction or seek legal advice I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will be happy toassist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarily represent the official positionof the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it berelied upon to provide professional consultation or services cc 30AIFI 30AFAQ AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

Fire Prevention Week is October 4 ndash 10 2009 Visit wwwfirepreventionweekorg or call 800-344-3555 for moreinformation NFPA Seminars - Apply the codes with confidenceRegister at wwwnfpalearnorg NFPA Membership keeps you up-to-dateVisit wwwnfpaorgjoin for more information Or call 800-344-3555Notice The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for the

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exclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential andor privileged information If you are not the intendedrecipient please notify Robert Benedetti immediately by replying to the message or by calling (617) 984-7433 Please deletethis message and any attachments from your system Thank you

From Peznowski Edward [mailtoEdwardPeznowskipostatectus] Sent Monday August 31 2009 127 PMTo Benedetti BobSubject NFPA 30A Hi Bob Sorry to bother you but I need your help and interpretation of the following section of NFPA 30A 2000edition 524 - All piping inside buildings but outside the motor fuel dispensing area shall be enclosed within ahorizontal chase or a vertical shaft used only for this piping Vertical shafts and horizontal chases shall beconstructed of materials having a fire resistance rating of not less than 2 hours Bob I have a bus repair facility being built and we have fuel dispensing area within the building enclosedwith a 2hr fire resistive separation My question is I have diesel fuel piping coming from two tanks locatedoutside of the building the piping runs outside of the dispensing area does this piping need to be enclosed Ihave the proper UL listed system for through wall penetrations My problem lies here I have natural gas heating fuel oil lines for boilers and diesel fuel line for thegenerator all running through the area outside the 2 hour rated dispensing area which are not required to beenclosed My thought is within the 2 hour fire resistive construction I have storage rooms for grease and oil a office forfuel dispensing Any fuel piping running through these areas would be enclosed but once I go outside my 2hrrated enclosure the piping would not have to be enclosed NFPA 30A (1996edition)6-42 - All fuel and flammable vapor piping inside buildings but outside the service station area shall beenclosed within a horizontal chase or a vertical shaft used only for this piping Vertical shafts and horizontalchases shall be constructed of materials having a fire resistance rating of not less than 2 hoursCOMMENTARY 6-42 The intent of this requirement is to preserve the isolation of the service stationoperation from the rest of the building I donrsquot have the 2000 handbook for commentary Thanks Bob Edward J PeznowskiFire amp Life Safety SpecialistBureau of EngineeringOffice State Fire Marshal860-685-8350

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From Benedetti BobTo Hamilton James P (HOY)Cc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiSubject Inquiry NFPA 30A-2008Date Monday September 14 2009 115041 AM

Good morning Mr Hamilton The intent of this particular provision of Subsection 672 of NFPA 30A Code for Motor Fuel DispensingFacilities and Repair Garages is to ensure that the patron has access to a second disconnect if he or shecannot reach the primary disconnect ie the one that is between 20 and 100 feet from the dispenser In my opinion all of the emergency disconnects required by Section 67 must be at least 20 ft but normore than 100 ft from the nearest dispenser Please understand that this response to your inquiry is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 of NFPArsquos RegulationsGoverning Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitively determine compliance with anylaws ordinances rules or regulations To determine the adequacy or safety of any device or installationyou should consult with an appropriate professional To determine legal compliance you should refer tothe appropriate authority having jurisdiction or seek legal advice I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will be happy toassist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarily represent the official positionof the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it berelied upon to provide professional consultation or services cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

Fire Prevention Week is October 4 ndash 10 2009 Visit wwwfirepreventionweekorg or call 800-344-3555 for moreinformation NFPA Seminars - Apply the codes with confidenceRegister at wwwnfpalearnorg NFPA Membership keeps you up-to-dateVisit wwwnfpaorgjoin for more information Or call 800-344-3555Notice The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for theexclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential andor privileged information If you are not the intendedrecipient please notify Robert Benedetti immediately by replying to the message or by calling (617) 984-7433 Please deletethis message and any attachments from your system Thank you

From Hamilton James P (HOY) [mailtoHAMILTONJPbechteljacobsorg] Sent Thursday September 10 2009 1224 PMTo Benedetti BobSubject NFPA 30A 2008 Edition

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Importance High

NFPA 30A 672 states at least one additional device or disconnect shall be readily accessible toeach group of dispensing devices on an individual island Our installation does not have islands Should the second emergency shutoff be installed close to the pumps or between 20 and 100 ofthe pumps

Please respond back via email hamiltonjpbechteljacobsorg

Thanks

NFPA 127130 James P Hamilton CFPSTetraTek Inc - Fire Safety TechnologiesFire Protection LeadK-27 Pre-Demo Project 790 Emory Valley Rd 811 Oak Ridge TN 37830 ETTP Office 865-241-1902

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From Benedetti BobTo Scott DavonskiCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Tuesday August 04 2009 92429 AM

Good morning Mr Davonski My opinion is that the intent of the requirement in Subsection 1141 of NFPA 30A Code for Motor FuelDispensing Facilities and Repair Garages is that any hose longer than 18 feet should not simply bestrung along the dockrsquos surface Using a reel would be one means of securing the hose although Irsquomsure other methods such as hangers would work as well Please understand that this response to your inquiry is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 of NFPArsquos RegulationsGoverning Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitively determine compliance with anylaws ordinances rules or regulations To determine the adequacy or safety of any device or installationyou should consult with an appropriate professional To determine legal compliance you should refer tothe appropriate authority having jurisdiction or seek legal advice I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will be happy toassist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarily represent the official positionof the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it berelied upon to provide professional consultation or services cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

Fire Prevention Week is October 4 ndash 10 2009 Visit wwwfirepreventionweekorg or call 800-344-3555 for moreinformation NFPA Seminars - Apply the codes with confidenceRegister at wwwnfpalearnorg NFPA Membership keeps you up-to-dateVisit wwwnfpaorgjoin for more information Or call 800-344-3555Notice The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for theexclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential andor privileged information If you are not the intendedrecipient please notify Robert Benedetti immediately by replying to the message or by calling (617) 984-7433 Please deletethis message and any attachments from your system Thank you

From Scott Davonski [mailtodavonskiRiverheadlicom] Sent Wednesday July 22 2009 1118 AMTo Benedetti BobSubject 30A clarification

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1141 All hose shall be listed Where hose length exceeds 55 m (18 ft) the hose shall besecured so as to protect it from damage Can you provide clarification as to what is meant by ldquosecured so as to protect it fromdamagerdquo Is the standard looking not to have the hoses on the dock In a reel Any clarificationinformation would be appreciated Scott W DavonskiChief Fire MarshalTown of RiverheadP- 631-727-3200 ext 209F- 631-727-3370

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Page 4: TECHNICAL COMMITTEE ON AUTOMOTIVE and MARINE … · SUBJECT: Agenda for ROC Meeting – October 4, 2010 _____ Ladies and Gentlemen: Attached is the Agenda for the NFPA 30A Report

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TECHNICAL COMMITTEE ON AUTOMOTIVE and MARINE SERVICE STATIONS

MINUTES of MEETING Technical Committee on Automotive and Marine Service Stations

Hilton St Petersburg Bayfront Hotel St Petersburg FL

January 20 - 21 2010

I Attendance mdash via web conference service R Benscoter Husky Corporation

C A Burns Oscar W Larson Company B C Donovan STICO Mutual Insurance Company T J Forsythe Hughes Associates Inc L Gregory ExxonMobil (Rep American Petroleum Institute)

C N Harding Tyco Fire Suppression amp Building Products (Rep Fire Equipment Manufacturersrsquo Association)

J P Hartmann John Hartmann amp Associates J P Higgins Mutual Service Office D B Horne DBHorne LLC (Rep Clean Vehicle Education Foundation) M T Kadri Michigan Department of Environmental Quality D R Offerdahl North Dakota State Electrical Board A M Ramirez Underwriters Laboratories Inc CHAIR

R N Renkes Petroleum Equipment Institute R A Riegel Underwriters Laboratories Inc

J R Rocco Sage Risk Solutions LLC (Rep Petroleum Marketers Association of America) R C Schultz University of Texas at Austin ndash Fire Prevention Services C A Sunderhaus OPW Fueling Components

K J Wolf Intertek Testing Services A R Zajac Michigan Department of Environmental Quality

R P Benedetti NFPA STAFF LIAISON Minutes 1 The meeting was called to order at 815 AM on Wednesday January 21 2010 by Technical

Committee Chair Al Ramirez 2 Attendees introduced themselves and necessary corrections were made to the Technical Committee

roster The corrected roster will be posted to the ECommittee SharePoint page 3 The Minutes of the previous meeting (National Fire Protection Association Quincy MA) were

unanimously approved with minor corrections 4 Technical Committee Chair Al Ramirez briefed the Technical Committee on the meeting objectives

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5 The Staff Liaison presented the following report

Technical Committee Scope amp Technical Committee Name At the April 2009 meeting the Technical Committee reviewed but did not act on proposed changes to the Technical Committeersquos Scope statement A slightly amended version of the April Proposal was presented The Technical Committee made additional changes and directed the Staff Liaison to circulate the proposed new scope statement to letter ballot of the committee then to submit the new scope statement to the NFPA Standards Council for approval

Technical Committee Membership Status The Staff Liaison reported on changes to the membership of the committee A request was made that the Staff Liaison include definitions of the interest categories

A2011 Document Revision Schedule The Staff Liaison reviewed the deadlines of the 2011 document revision schedule

6 Report on Alternative Fuels

Status of NFPA 2 Hydrogen Technologies Code NFPA 2 has been published in the Fall 2010 Report on Proposals (ROP) with a Comment Closing Deadline of March 5 2010 Andrea Zajac reported on the latest activities involving NFPA 2 The Technical Committee expressed its concern that any extractions of text from NFPA 30A be done correctly

Biofuels Biodiesel Ethanol etc Doug Horne reported that proposals have been submitted to the International Fire Code to better define E85 He noted that research shows that there can be ignitable mixtures in the head space of tanks with intermediate blends Bob Renkes reported on ULSD effects on fuel system eg corrosive effects on metal components

Update of UL Work on Alternative Fuels Al Ramirez reported on Underwriters Laboratoriesrsquo progress on listing system components for use with intermediate ethanolgasoline blends Bob Renkes raised the issue would use of legacy equipment with fuels for which equipment wasnrsquot listed violate NFPA 30A

Diesel Exhaust Fluid (DEF) Bob Renkes reported that PEIRP1100-10 Recommended Practices for the Storage and Dispensing of Diesel Exhaust Fluid (DEF) has been published

7 The Technical Committee heard reports from the following Task Groups

Maintenance amp Inspection Fire Protection amp Control Cross-References to NFPA 30 Dispenser Disconnects

8 The Technical Committee completed final changes to its proposed new Table 831 for NFPA 30A to

ensure correlation with the table incorporated into the 2011 edition of NFPA 70reg National Electrical Codereg There might need to be some additional changes to address sumps and pits

9 The Technical Committee reviewed and acted on all remaining proposals to amend NFPA 30Aand

developed Committee Proposals as necessary The Technical Committee directed the Staff Liaison to circulate the Report on Proposals (ROP) for letter ballot of the Technical Committee

10 The Technical Committee reviewed the proposed Chapter 12 rewrite and decided to include the

rewrite as a rejected Committee Proposal to elicit public comment 11 The Technical Committee reviewed recent correspondence and determined that there was no action

necessary

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12 Under ldquoOther Old Businessrdquo the Technical Committee reviewed the following two issues and determined that no action was necessary

Definition of ldquoAdequate Ventilationrdquo Proper Classification of Repair Garage

13 The Technical Committee reviewed the following items of new business

Inquiry on Scope and Application of NFPA 30A The Technical Committee points out that portable equipment is not within the scope of NFPA 30A

Inconsistency Between NFPA 30A and NFPA 70 Larry Gregory agreed to propose a change to NFPA 70reg National Electrical Codereg

Area Classification for Kiosks on Islands The Technical Committee determined that no action was necessary

Potential Static Electricity Hazard During Marine Fueling The Technical Committee determined that this issue was outside its scope

An Experimental and Modeling Study of the Flammability of Fuel Tank Headspace Vapors from High Ethanol Content Fuels ndash NRELSR-540-44040 October 2008 This report was brought to the attention of the committee by Doug Horne The link to the report is httpwwwnrelgovfy09osti44040pdf

14 The Technical Committee agreed to schedule its next meeting for October 4 2010 in

Atlanta GA to be held in conjunction with the Petroleum Equipment Institutersquos convention 15 The meeting adjourned at 300 PM on January 21 2010

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TECHNICAL COMMITTEE ON AUTOMOTIVE and MARINE SERVICE STATIONS

SCOPE STATEMENT

This Committee shall have primary responsibility for documents on safeguarding against the fire and explosion hazards associated with the general storage handling and dispensing of flammable and combustible liquids and gaseous motor fuels at motor fuel dispensing facilities service stations and with related activities such as operation inspection maintenance and repair of dispensing system components and dispensing gaseous fuels This committee shall also have primary responsibility for documents on construction control of fire hazards ventilation fire protection and maintenance of repair facilities garages This committee shall not have responsibility for the dispensing of gaseous fuels at facilities where no liquid fuels are dispensed including residential occupancies ie dispensing of gaseous fuels as covered by NFPA 2 Hydrogen Technologies Code and NFPA 52 Vehicular Fuel Systems Code Responsible for NFPA 30A Code for Motor Fuel Dispensing Facilities and Repair Garages

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AUV Committee Balancedoc - 8122010

TECHNICAL COMMITTEE ON AUTOMOTIVE and MARINE SERVICE STATIONS

COMMITTEE MEMBERSHIP BALANCE SUMMARY

AUV-AAA NFPA 30A

Members 24 M 7 (29) U 5 (21) Voting Alternates 0 IM 3 (13) LC 0 Alternates 7 RT 2 (8) E 3 (13)

Non-Voting 2 I 2 (8) SE 2 (8) Emeritus 1

Task Group 0 Hold List 0 Balance OK (CNG equipment 1 dispensing nozzles 0 dispensing system components 2 fire suppression equipment 1 LNG dispensing systems 1 storage tanks 2) (fleet operators 2 independent retail 1 lube-only facilities 1 major retail 0 marine facilities 1) (fire suppression systems 1 fuel dispensing systems 1 LPG dispensing systems 1)

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MASTER SCHEDULE2011 Annual Cycledoc

2011 ANNUAL REVISION CYCLE

PROCESS STAGE PROCESS STEP

DATES FOR TC

DATES FOR TCC

COMPLETION

DATE

VERIFY MATERIAL

IN FILE 1 PRELIMINARY 10 Notification of intent to enter cycle 71009 71009

2 REPORT ON PROPOSALS

(ROP)

21 Proposal closing date 112409 112409

22 Final date for ROP meeting 22610 2510 23 Final date for mailing TC ballots 31910 21910 24 Receipt of (TC) ballots by staff liaison 42310 31210 25 Receipt of TC recirculation ballots 5710 31910 26 Final date for TCC meeting 41610 27 Final date for mailing TCC ballots 42310 28 Receipt of TCC ballots 51410 29 Receipt of TCC recirculation ballots 52110 210 Final copy (w ballot statements) to Secretary Standards Council

51410 52810

211 Completion of Reports 52110 6410 212 ROP Published and Posted 62510 62510

3 REPORT ON

COMMENTS (ROC)

31 Comment closing date 9310 9310 32 Final date for ROC meeting 11510 10810 33 Final date for mailing TC ballots 111910 102210 34 Receipt of (TC) ballots by staff liaison 12310 111210 35 Receipt of TC recirculation ballots 121010 111910 36 Final date for TCC meeting 121710 37 Final date for mailing TCC ballots 122210 38 Receipt of TCC ballots 11411 39 Receipt of TCC recirculation ballots 12111 310 Final copy (w ballot statements) to Secretary Standards Council

122210 12811

311 Completion of Reports 11411 2411 312 ROC Published and Posted 22511 22511

TECH SESSION PREPARATION amp ISSUANCE OF

CONSENT DOCUMENTS

41 Notice of Intent to Make a Motion (NITMAM) Closing Date

4811 4811

42 Posting of Filed NITMAM 5611 5611 43 Council Issuance Date for Consent Documents 53111 53111 44 Appeal Closing Date for Consent Documents 61511 61511

TECHNICAL SESSION

50 Association Meeting for Documents with Certified Amending Motions

612-1611 612-1611

APPEALS amp ISSUANCE OF DOCUMENTS

WCAMS

61 Appeal closing date for Documents with Certified Amending Motions

7611 7611

62 Council issuance for Documents with Certified Amending Motions

8411 8411

Proposal Closing Dates may vary according to documents and schedules for Revision Cycles may change Please check the NFPA website (wwwnfpaorg) for the most up-to-date information on proposal closing dates and schedules

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TIA 9852010-06-15 ndash IFMA Counterproposaldoc

Proposed TIA to NFPA 30A-2008 1 Add a new definition of ldquoalcohol blended motor fuelrdquo to read as follows

ldquo33X Alcohol Blended Motor Fuel Motor fuel consisting of a blend of alcohol such as ethanol and gasoline with an alcohol concentration greater than 10 percent by volume including those with nominally 85 percent ethanol 15 percent unleaded gasoline (E85)rdquo

2 Revise 632 to read

ldquo632 Dispensing devices for Class I and II liquids shall be listed for the specific fuels being dispensed A632 See UL 87 Standard for Power-Operated Dispensing Devices for Petroleum Products or UL SU87A Outline for Power-Operated Dispensing Devices for Gasoline and GasolineEthanol Blends with Nominal Concentrations up to 85 Percent 6321 Existing listed or labeled dispensing devices shall be permitted to be modified provided that the modifications made are ldquoListed by Reportrdquo by an approved testing laboratory or as otherwise approved by the authority having jurisdiction Modification proposals shall contain a description of the component parts used in the modification and the recommended methods of installation on specific dispensing devices Modification proposals shall be made available to the authority having jurisdiction upon request 6322 Existing dispensing devices shall be listed for the specific fuel or fuels being dispensed 63221 Where existing dispensing devices are not listed for a specific fuel or fuels see Section 15 Equivalency A6322 1 The authority having jurisdiction by virtue of Section 15 may approve the use of existing equipment for fuels for which no listing is available Where the authority having jurisdiction approves the use of an existing dispensing device or existing related dispensing equipment for use with alcohol blended motor fuels the approval of the dispensing device and related dispensing equipment may be based on the following (1) The dispensing device and related dispensing equipment should be listed for dispensing of gasoline motor fuel and (2) The dispensing device and related dispensing equipment should be inspected by a person who is knowledgeable in the operation of the equipment to verify that it is in proper working order and is not leaking as described in (a) and (b) (a) A visual inspection of the fuel dispenser and its associated hanging hardware should be conducted ldquoHanging hardwarerdquo includes the following components that might be present hose nozzle valve hose breakaway valve and hose swivel Inspections should be conducted at least weekly and should be documented Documentation should be available for review by the authority having jurisdiction upon request (b) An inspection of the fuel-dispensing equipment that is located inside the dispenser cabinet should be conducted The interior of the dispenser cabinet should

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be inspected for signs of leaks damage corrosion or weathering with particular attention to the sump area and joints and castings of fuel handling components The inspection should be conducted at least monthly and should be documented Documentation should be available for review by the authority having jurisdiction upon request (c) If a leak is discovered use of the affected dispensing device should be discontinued until repairs can be made The authority having jurisdiction is provided with the ability to approve for use with mid-level alcohol blended motor fuels (eg E15 15 percent ethanol 85 percent unleaded gasoline) dispensing devices and related dispensing equipment currently listed for use with E10 (10 percent ethanol 90 percent unleaded gasoline) Approval of the dispensing device or related dispensing equipment for use with alcohol blended motor fuel requires that the dispensing device and related dispensing equipment be listed for use with E10 and that periodic inspection be conducted to verify that the equipment is functioning properly Useful forms for documenting inspections can be found in PEIRP500-05 Recommended Practices for Inspection and Maintenance of Motor Fuel Dispensing Equipment and are also available at wwwpeiorgrp500 In addition the authority having jurisdiction may take into account other factors including actual field experience evidence of compatibility (eg manufacturerrsquos declaration) and functionality by government agencies trade associations and testing laboratories Underwriters Laboratories Inc has listed dispensing devices and related dispensing equipment for alcohol blended motor fuels up to E10 and more recently has begun listing dispensing devices for alcohol blended motor fuels up to E25 (25 percent ethanol 75 percent unleaded gasoline) However the majority of existing dispensing devices and related dispensing equipment currently in service at motor fuel dispensing facilities are not listed for use with alcohol blended motor fuels with more than 10 percent ethanol While higher alcohol blended motor fuels (eg E85 85 percent ethanol 15 percent unleaded gasoline) are typically sold as an alternative to E10 the mid-level alcohol blended motor fuels such as E15 if approved by the U S Environmental Protection Agency might likely become a replacement for current motor fuels either through state or federal mandates or because of supply chain restrictions In order to maintain the supply of motor fuel this might require the sale of mid-level blends through the existing dispensing devices and related dispensing equipmentrdquo

3 Revise 651 to read

ldquo651 Listed hose assemblies shall be used to dispense fuels shall be listed for the specific fuels being dispensed Hose length at automotive motor fuel dispensing facilities shall not exceed 55 m (18 ft) Where hose length at marine motor fuel dispensing facilities exceeds 55 m (18 ft) the hose shall be secured so as to protect it from damage (See A63221)rdquo

4 Revise 661 to read

ldquo661 An automatic-closing-type hose nozzle valve listed in accordance with UL 842 Standard for Valves for Flammable Fluids and listed for the specific fuels being dispensed with or without latch-open device shall be provided on island-type dispensing devices used to dispense Class I or Class II liquids (See A63221)rdquo

5 Revise 681 and 682 to read

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ldquo681 Dispensing devices that incorporate vapor recovery shall be listed for the specific fuels being dispensed (See A63221) 682 Hose nozzle valves used on vapor recovery systems shall be listed for the purpose and for the specific fuels being dispensed (See A63221)rdquo

6 Add a new entry to Table B1 Typical Flammable and Combustible Liquids Found at Motor Fuel Dispensing Facilities to read as follows

ldquoAlcohol Blended Motor Fuel -40 degF ndash 55 degF Class IB varies nardquo A6321 proposed 6231 and its annex all becomes annex material gtgtgt New lead-in Where modifications are made 2 Add a new Subsection 623 and an accompanying annex text to read as follows A6322 Where dispensing devices and related dispensing equipment including dispensers hoses nozzles breakaway fittings swivels flexible connectors dispenser emergency shutoff valves and vapor recovery systems and pumps are propose for use for alcohol blended motor fuels they should be listed Where there is currently no listing see 15 for equivalencies Section 15 permits the authority having jurisdiction to approve non-listed components for the specific for the specific fuel being dispensed Where the authority having jurisdiction approves the use of a dispensing device or related dispensing equipment for use with alcohol blended motor fuels the approval of the dispensing device and related dispensing equipment could include the following (1) The dispensing device and related dispensing equipment shall be listed for dispensing of gasoline motor fuel and (2) The dispensing device and related dispensing equipment shall be periodically inspected by a person who is knowledgeable in the operation of the equipment to verify that it is in proper working order and is not leaking as described in (a) and (b) (a) A visual inspection of the fuel dispenser and its associated hanging hardware shall be conducted ldquoHanging hardwarerdquo shall include the following components that might be present hose nozzle valve hose breakaway valve and hose swivel Inspections shall be conducted at least weekly and shall be documented Documentation shall be available for review by the authority having jurisdiction upon request (b) An inspection of the fuel-dispensing equipment that is located inside the dispenser cabinet shall be conducted The interior of the dispenser cabinet shall be inspected for signs of leaks damage corrosion or weathering with particular attention to the sump area and joints and castings of fuel handling components The inspection shall be conducted at least monthly and shall be documented Documentation shall be available for review by the authority having jurisdiction upon request NEEDS TO TELL WHAT TO DO BEYOND MERE DOCUMENTATION ALSO NEED TO REPLACE ldquoPERIODICrdquo WITH FIRM TIME A623 See UL SU87A Outline for Power-Operated Dispensing Devices for Gasoline and GasolineEthanol Blends with Nominal Concentrations up to 85 Percent

TIA 9852010-06-15 ndash IFMA Counterproposaldoc

A6231 The authority having jurisdiction is provided with the ability to approve for use with mid-level alcohol blended motor fuels (eg E15 15 percent ethanol 85 percent unleaded gasoline) dispensing devices and related dispensing equipment currently listed for use with E10 (10 percent ethanol 90 percent unleaded gasoline) Approval of the dispensing device or related dispensing equipment for use with alcohol blended motor fuel requires that the dispensing device and related dispensing equipment be listed for use with E10 and that periodic inspection be conducted to verify that the equipment is functioning properly Useful forms for documenting inspections can be found in PEIRP500-05 Recommended Practices for Inspection and Maintenance of Motor Fuel Dispensing Equipment and are also available at wwwpeiorgrp500 In addition the authority having jurisdiction may take into account other factors including actual field experience evidence of compatibility (eg manufacturerrsquos declaration) and functionality by government agencies trade associations and testing laboratories Underwriters Laboratories Inc has listed dispensing devices and related dispensing equipment for alcohol blended motor fuels up to E10 and more recently has begun listing dispensing devices for alcohol blended motor fuels up to E25 (25 percent ethanol 75 percent unleaded gasoline) However the majority of existing dispensing devices and related dispensing equipment currently in service at motor fuel dispensing facilities are not listed for use with alcohol blended motor fuels with more than 10 percent ethanol While higher alcohol blended motor fuels (eg E85 85 percent ethanol 15 percent unleaded gasoline) are typically sold as an alternative to E10 the mid-level alcohol blended motor fuels such as E15 if approved by the U S Environmental Protection Agency might likely become a replacement for current motor fuels either through state or federal mandates or because of supply chain restrictions In order to maintain the supply of motor fuel this might require the sale of mid-level blends through the existing dispensing devices and related dispensing equipmentrdquo

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Report on Comments ndash June 2011 NFPA 30A_______________________________________________________________________________________________30A- Log 6

_______________________________________________________________________________________________John F Bender Underwriters Laboratories Inc

30A-6Revise text as follows

Underwriters Laboratories Inc 333 Pfingsten Road Northbrook IL 60062-2096UL 87 Standard for Power-Operated Dispensing Devices for Petroleum Products 2001 Revised 2008ANSIUL 842 Standard for Valves for Flammable Fluids 2007 Revised 2010UL 2080 Standard for Fire Resistant Tanks for Flammable and Combustible Liquids 2000ANSIUL 2085 Standard for Protected Aboveground Tanks for Flammable and Combustible Liquids 1997 Revised

1999UL 2245 Standard for Below-Grade Vaults for Flammable Liquid Storage Tanks 2006

Updated referenced standards to most recent revisions Add ANSI approval designation to ANSIUL842 and ANSIUL 2085

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Report on Comments ndash June 2011 NFPA 30A_______________________________________________________________________________________________30A- Log 4

_______________________________________________________________________________________________Marshall A Klein Marshall A Klein amp Associates Inc

30A-7Revise text to read as follows

331 Basement Basement For the purposes of this code a story of a building or structure having one-half or more ofits height below ground level and to which access for fire-fighting purposes is restricted [302008] Any story of a buildingwholly or partly below grade plane that is not considered the first story above grade plane (Also see 33X ldquoFirst StoryAbove Grade Planerdquo 33Y ldquoGrade Planerdquo and 33Z ldquoStoryrdquo) [5000 2009]33X First Story Above Grade Plane Any story having its finished floor surface entirely above grade plane except

that a basement shall be considered as a first story above grade plane where the finished surface of the floor above thebasement is (1) more than 6 ft (1830 mm) above grade plane or (2) more than 12 ft (3660 mm) above the finished levelat any point (See also 33Z ldquoStoryrdquo) [5000 2009]33Z Story The portion of a building located between the upper surface of a floor and the upper surface of the floor or

roof next above [5000 2009]33Y Grade Plane A reference plane representing the average of the finished ground level adjoining the building at all

exterior walls When the finished ground level slopes down from the exterior walls the grade plane is established by thelowest points within the area between the building and the lot line or when the lot line is more than 6 ft (1830 mm) fromthe building between the building and a point 6 ft (1830 mm) from the building (See also 33W ldquoFinished Ground Level(Graderdquo) [5000 2009]33W Finished Ground Level (Grade) The level of the finished ground (earth or other surface on ground) (See also33Y ldquoGrade Planerdquo) [5000 2009]

The Committeersquos substantiation for this Committee Proposal was ldquoThis definition is the preferreddefinition from the NFPA Glossary of Terms Changing the secondary definition to the preferred definition complies withthe Glossary of Terms Projectrdquo Also the Committeersquos statement said in part ldquohellipThe key issue relative to NFPA 30A issafe access to and evacuation from the basement area by emergency responders during an emergencyrdquo

Since the first edition of the NFPA 5000 Building Code the NFPA 30A Committee has attempted to be in correlationwith NFPA 5000 and the other Model Building Code in the the United States IBC The dispensing facilities and repairgarage buildings constructed under the NFPA 30A are also required to comply with the local building code which will beeither NFPA 5000 or IBC The proposed definition for ldquobasementrdquo that is taken from NFPA 30 is more suited for thelarger flammable and combustible types of facilities built under NFPA 30 not the service centersrepair garages builtunder NFPA 30A and the building codes

NFPA 30A should stay with its present position to correlate with the definition for a ldquobasementrdquo with NFPA 5000ldquoBuilding Construction and safety Coderdquo and not replace this definition with the one that is in NFPA 30 ldquoFlammable andCombustible Liquids Coderdquo

The term ldquobasementrdquo is only used in the NFPA 30A Code in Section 423 that deals with ignitable vapors in abasement or pit and Section 746 that applies when sprinklers are required to be installed in the basement of a majorrepair garage The two NFPA 30A sections on basements relate more to the application of the requirements in NFPA5000 and IBC than to the requirements in NFPA 30 ldquoFlammable and Combustible Liquids Coderdquo As I have notedabove during the development of the NFPA 5000 Building Code the NFPA 30A Committee was very careful tocorrelate its requirements with NFPA 5000 NFPA 101 amp IBC so that there would be minimum conflicts in theapplication of the requirements of NFPA 30A with these other Codes that greatly impact the design and construction ofMotor Fuel Dispensing Facilities and Repair Garages The definition of ldquobasementrdquo is critically important forbuilding design and should be correlated with the building codes used throughout the US and we should not use adifferent definition for basement that would cause confusion and cost in the design and application of the NFPA 30Arequirements where NFPA 5000 NFPA 101 or IBC Codes are also adopted

I have also included the addition of the definitions of ldquoFirst Story Above Grade Planerdquo ldquoStoryrdquo ldquoGrade Planerdquo andldquoFinished Ground Level (Grade)rdquo from NFPA 5000 to provide complete correlation on these building definitions withNFPA 5000 and the IBC For individuals using NFPA 30A that are only used to working with NFPA 30 these definitions

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Report on Comments ndash June 2011 NFPA 30Amay seem like overkill but to the great majority of code officials designers and owners of these types of dispensingfacilities and repair garages correlation of these terms with NFPA 5000 and IBC are critical to prevent major conflictsdelays and cost increases in interpretations and applications of code requirements between the building departmentsand fire departments

In summation based on the two sections in NFPA 30A that cover a ldquobasementrdquo requirement it serves the public interestbetter to use the ldquobasementrdquo definition and its related building definitions from NFPA 5000 to properly correlate with themodel buildings codes not NFPA 30

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Report on Comments ndash June 2011 NFPA 30A_______________________________________________________________________________________________30A- Log 1

_______________________________________________________________________________________________Alex Ralston Petcon Inc

NARevise text to read as follows

Means shall be provided to sound an audible alarm when the liquid level in the tank reaches 90 percent of capacityMeans shall also be provided either to automatically stop the flow of liquid into the tank when the liquid level reaches 98percent capacity or to restrict the flow of liquid into the tank to a maximum flow rate of 95L min (25 gpm) when theliquid level in the tank reaches 95 percent capacityThe federal underground storage tank rules state that means shall be provided to stop the flow of liquid into the tank

when the liquid reaches 95 percent capacity or restrict the flow into the tank when the liquid level reaches 90 percentcapacity

None given

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Report on Comments ndash June 2011 NFPA 30A_______________________________________________________________________________________________30A- Log 2

_______________________________________________________________________________________________Alex Ralston Petcon Inc

NARevise text to read as follows

On remote pressure pumping systems each pump shall have installed on the discharge side a listed leak detectiondevice that will provide an audible or visible indication if the piping and dispensing devices are not liquid tight Replace with device that will either restrict the flow of product to the dispenser or shut-off the flow of product to

indicate if the piping and dispensing devices are liquid tightThe explanation attempts to explain the federal underground storage tank regulations however the

regulation that provides for an audible or visible alarm relates to overfill prevention in federal regulations not leakdetectionThe regulations on leak detection for pressurized piping in the explanation are correct but if youll note nowhere in the

explanation is audible or visual alarms mentioned

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Report on Comments ndash June 2011 NFPA 30A_______________________________________________________________________________________________30A- Log 8

_______________________________________________________________________________________________Robert Bourke Northeastern Regional Fire Code Development Committee

30A-42Revise to read 623 Fuel-dispensing systems including dispensers hoses nozzleshelliphelliphellip

blended motor fuels shall be listed or approved for the specific purposeThis requirement should only be stating that the equipment is listed for the specific purpose

ldquoApprovedrdquo by definition means ldquoacceptable to the AHJrdquoToo often a Standard may misuse the word ldquoapprovedrdquo in order to not exclude other listing organizations that publish

its list in a document that they refer to as an ldquoApproval Guiderdquo Regardless the document is still a listing

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Report on Comments ndash June 2011 NFPA 30A_______________________________________________________________________________________________30A- Log 3

_______________________________________________________________________________________________David B Wechsler The Dow Chemical Company

30A-34Revise and add new sentences shown under 831 and A831 and modify Table 831 as

indicated831 Table 831 shall be used to delineate and classify areas for the purposes of installing electrical wiring and

electrical utilization equipment (See also Figure 831) WARNING The US National Electrical Code has differentequipment and installation requirements from other International Standards Therefore for example equipment used inEurope may not be acceptable for installation in the USA831 The designation and decision installation and use of electrical equipment for Classes and Divisions in

hazardous (classified) locations are defined Article 500 501 and 504 of NFPA 70 National Electrical Code Thedesignation and design installation and use of electrical equipment for Classes and Zones in hazardous (classified)locations are defined in Article 505 and 504 of NFPA 70 National Electrical Code The designation and designinstallation and use of electrical equipment in lsquoZonesrsquo Zone 0 Zone 1 and Zone 2 are addressed in other internationalstandardsWithin Table 831 add a new column titled ldquoZones and copy the information from the Class I Zone column into this

new columnAlternatively to all of the above remove the ldquoZonesrdquo column completely from Table 831

While the stated intent of this proposal is understood as being to try and deal with the internationalnature of applying NFPA 30A there are problems with the approach presented by a simple extraction from the NECFirst as presented the new column only addresses the US Zone methodology The US Zone methodology for

flammable vapor gases liquids and combustible vapors and liquids is identified by the terms lsquoClass I Zone 0rsquo lsquoClass IZone 1rsquo and lsquoClass I Zone 2rsquo However under the IEC or ATEX (aka Europe International) the terms are simply lsquoZone0rsquo lsquoZone 1rsquo or lsquoZone 2rsquo Therefore the table revision is not correct for international useSecond this TIA and proposal was to lsquoincorporate the (European) Zone System of designating hazardous (classified)

locations and the allowable wiring methods and electrical utilization devices that can be used in themrsquo However the USNEC is not an international code Thus while the US NEC Article 505 does permit the use of the Class I Zonemethodology adding this column in NFPA 30A does not address the more complex nature of the design and installationproblems associated with Zone certified equipment in the US The NEC under Article 5059 Equipment provides for theuse of only AEx equipment as may be seen for example under paragraph ldquo(2) Zone Equipment Equipment meeting oneor more of the protection techniques described in 5058 shall be marked with all of the following in the order shown(1) Class(2) Zone(3) Symbol ldquoAExrdquo(4) Protection technique(s) in accordance with Table 5059(C)(2)(4)(5) Applicable gas classification group(s) in accordance with Table 9(C)(1)(2)Without adding additional text usersinspectors etc may think using Zones is just like using the Division methodology

This is not true and equipment not otherwise permitted under the US NEC may be installed because of the impliedactions currently reflected in this proposal This is a significant issue

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Report on Comments ndash June 2011 NFPA 30A_______________________________________________________________________________________________30A- Log 9

_______________________________________________________________________________________________Donald R Offerdahl North Dakota State Electrical Board

30A-36Insert figure for 831(B)

Insert Artwork Figure 831(A) and 831(B) Here

Proposal 30A-36 should have been accepted in principal these types of storage tanks and dispensersare widely used in farms construction sites and business fleet operations

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Report on Comments ndash June 2011 NFPA 30A_______________________________________________________________________________________________30A- Log 5

_______________________________________________________________________________________________Mindy Wang Ampco Safety Tools

30A-39Not proposing new text Please see comment in Substantiation

Although procedures for cleanup of spills is not within the scope of NFPA 30A we feel compelled toaddress API 2214 referenced by the Committee Information presented below shows API 2214 is misleading andundermines safe work practices In fact API 2214 conflicts with OSHA regulations Accredited Standards Developerrsquosstandards and safe work practices FM Approvals LLC formerly Factory Mutual Research Corporation (FM) is an international organization recognized

by the US government as a Nationally Recognized Testing Laboratory (NRTL) for scientific research and productcertification Product approval from a NRTL assures that products meet consensus-based standards of safety to providethe assurance required by OSHA that these products are safe for use in the United States workplace FM ApprovalStandard 7910 Spark Resistant Tools is used as guidance to evaluate tools intended for use in environments wherethere is a risk of ignition of flammable materials dusts or vapors resulting from sparks created by iron and steel handtools These tools prevent the ignition of flammable materials dusts or vapors by mechanical sparks created by the useof iron and steel hand tools slipping or striking a surface American Petroleum Institute (API) Publication 2214contradicts NRTL research and product certification as evidence in FM Approvals granted for spark resistance toolsFM has conducted tests of Ampco Safety Tools as covered in Report Job Identification No IN4A0AF in accordancewith the requirements of Safety Tools Approval Test Procedure Class 7910 and test results show

Sparks created from steel plates ignited carbon disulfide saturated pads eight of eight tests ethyl ether pads fiveof eight tests and naphtha VMampP four of eight tests

No sparks were observed and no ignition of the flammable liquids mentioned above from approved Ampco SafetyTools Other investigations also contradict APIrsquos conclusion on non-sparking tools A paper published in the Fire Protection

Journal ldquoThe Danger of Incendive Sparksrdquo stated that after APIrsquos conclusion on ldquonon-sparkingrdquo tools Institute ofPetroleum sought the advice of the Fire Research Board Committee on Industrial Fires and Explosion This committeecame to certain conclusions one of which was ldquoUntilhellipevidence is obtained to show that the impact of steel hand toolson steel is safe it is advisable to use non-sparking tools in situations where flammable atmospheres are unavoidablerdquo The NFPA Fire Protection Handbook 20th edition published in January 2008 does not support the conclusion that

API 2214 represents In fact many NFPA codes the use of ldquonon-sparkingrdquo tools in flammable atmospheresAccording to NFPA Fire Protection Handbook ldquoWhen flammable and combustible liquids are stored or handled theliquid is usually exposed to the air at some stage in the operation except where the storage is confined to sealedcontainers that are not filled or opened on the premises or where handling is in closed systems and vapor losses arerecovered Even when the storage or handling is in a closed system there is always the possibility of breaks or leakswhich permit the liquid to escape It is a to eliminate sources of ignition in places where low flashpointflammable liquids are stored handled or used even though no vapor may ordinarily be presentrdquo NFPA 921 Guide for Fire and Explosion Investigations 2008 Edition Chapter 5 Basic Fire Science Table 5711

Reported Burning and Sparking Temperature of Selected Ignition Sources under Mechanical Sparks lists a Steel tooltemperature at 2550degF When working with flammable gases liquids or vapors a potential hazard arises because of thepossibility that sparks produced by steel or iron tools can become an ignition source OSHA Flammable and Combustible Liquids regulation 29 CFR Parts 1910106(b) on tank storage paragraph

1910106(b)(6) states that precaution shall be taken to eliminate or control sources of ignitions including frictional heatand mechanical sparks to prevent the ignition of flammable vapors In OSHA regulation 29 CFR 1910146 Permit-Required Confined Spaces Appendix D Confined Space Pre-Entry

Check List non-sparking tool is listed as one type of entry equipment OSHA 29 CFR 1910146 StandardInterpretations Interpretative guidance and equipment approved for hazardous locations relative to the Permit-RequiredConfined Spaces states that ldquohellipthe standard does not prohibit entry into a permit space where a hazardous flammableatmosphere is at or above the 10 LFL For concentrations at or above 10 LFL paragraph (d) would theemployer to incorporate safe work procedures to address the flammableexplosive hazard (such as equipment approvedfor hazardous locations) in the entry plan for those spaces Electrical equipment as well as other sources of ignition(non-sparking hand tools) be considered and addressed for the hazardous atmosphererdquo OSHA regulation 29 CFR Parts 1910120 Hazardous waste operations and emergency response paragraph

1910120(j)(2)(v) requires that ldquoWhen there is a reasonable possibility of flammable atmospheres being present

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Report on Comments ndash June 2011 NFPA 30Amaterial handling equipment and hand tools shall be of the type to prevent sources of ignition EPA has identifiedsolvents such as xylene acetone ethyl acetate ethyl benzene and ethyl ether commonly used in all industries (theF-list) and discarded commercial chemical products such as acetone benzene ethyl ether and xylene (the P-list andU-list) as ignitable hazardous wastes API members such as ExxonMobil and Chevron as well as others in the petroleum industry such as Valero CITGO

Petroleum Corporation Chem-Supply Pty Ltd Irving Oil Ltd Petrol Star Inc Nova Chemicals and El Paso Corporationregularly the use of ldquonon-sparkingrdquo tools under Accidental Release Measures and Handling and Storage sectionsin the MSDSrsquos for their petroleum products These companies clearly recognize the need for ldquonon-sparkingrdquo tools inworking with and around flammable materials API 2214 Section 12 Background ldquohellipthese engineers pointed out that although numerous opportunities existed for

the production of sparks from violent contact of steel objects with other steel objects there was a negligible record offires resulting from such a causerdquo On the contrary there are a number of documented incidents involving flammablevapors ignited by steel sparks from tools A few examples are as follows

OSHA inspection 300965795 an employee in the process of cleaning loose material from drill piping with ametal hammer While striking the pipe with a hammer an explosion occurred Employee was killed in the explosion onsite

OSHA inspection 2272953 two employees were assigned the job of tending a 100 gallon (water jacket) reactorkettle of methyl methacrylate in the mixing room Employee 1 used a metal wrench (visegrips) to pry open the cover ofa kettle The wrench handle struck the angle iron support for the agitator motor producing a spark Employee 2noticed the spark which was immediately followed by a massive ldquofire ballrdquo Both employees were engulfed in thefireball Employee 3 came to the area to assist the other employees The investigation states that non-sparking toolswere not provided for the employees All three employees received first and second degree burns on their face armsand abdomen Employee 2 also received some third degree burns All three employees were hospitalized

OSHA inspection 124728437 Employee 1 and a coworker both maintenance mechanics were working in a 30inch by 36 inch manhole at a gas station Employee 1 was trying to change a fuel pump while the coworker watchedfrom outside the manhole Employee 1 was using an Allen wrench to loosen the bolts on the fuel pump lead when hecreated a spark that ignited the gas fumes in the manhole causing an explosion Employee 1 suffered burns to hisface hands arms and legs in the explosion and was hospitalized

OSHA inspection 111109237 Employee 1 or 3 attempted to cut a metal pipe with a metal saw whileEmployee 2 was standing on top of one of two 5000 gallon gas tanks trying to remove a tank fitting Sparks from thesaw the pipe wrench or another unknown source ignited the gas vapors which exploded Employees 1 and 3 werekilled of burns at the scene Employee 2 died at the burn center as a result of burns sustained in the explosion

OSHA inspection 102826625 Employee 1 worked for a company that cleans paints and replaces valves in LPand MAPP gas cylinders Before removing an old valve Employee 1 would open the valve to let the residual gas leakout on the loading dock Where there was a large quantity of cylinders Employee 1 would invert the cylinder so theresidual gas could vent faster Employee 1 had an accumulation of a gas and air mixture around his work area Thevapors were ignited either by a spark from the metal screwdriver he was using to open a damaged valve or by an openflame burner approximately 40 feet away There was a fire and explosion The employee sustained 2nd and 3rd degreeburns on the lower half of his body and was hospitalized

OSHA inspection 607366 an employee was sawing an airplane wing into sections with a portable powered handsaw the saw created a spark that caused an explosion of gasoline vapors in the wing fuel tank Employee 1 killed andEmployee 2 injured in explosion and was hospitalized

OSHA inspection 309178523 employer was cited for violating Section 5(a)(1) of the Occupational Safety andHealth Act of 1970 often referred to as the General Duty Clause which requires employers to furnish to each of hisemployees employment and a place of employment which are free from recognized hazards that are causing or arelikely to cause death or serious physical harm to his employees for exposing employee to an explosion hazard byopening the hydrogen tube trailer main valve without using non-sparking tools

OSHA inspection 304994304 employer was cited for violating Section 5(a)(1) of the Occupational Safety andHealth Act of 1970 violation for exposing employee to a fireexplosion hazard while performing maintenance operationson LP gas tanks with ferrous tools One feasible and acceptable abatement method to correct this hazard is toimplement the use of non- sparking toolsThe Report of the BP US Refineries independent Safety Review Panel also known as the Baker Panel Report states

that ldquoPreventing process accidents requires vigilance The passing of time without a process accident is not necessarilyan indicator that all is well and may contribute to a dangerous and growing sense of complacencyrdquo This sample ofOSHA documented events illustrates accidents do happen when proper safety measures are not taken againstmechanical sparks from steel tools as a possible ignition sourceHaving said that we appreciate the Committeersquos time and agree with the Committee that procedures for cleanup of

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Report on Comments ndash June 2011 NFPA 30Aspills is not within the scope of NFPA 30A

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Report on Comments ndash June 2011 NFPA 30A_______________________________________________________________________________________________30A- Log 7

_______________________________________________________________________________________________Robert Bourke Northeastern Regional Fire Code Development Committee

30A-19Add a new section to read 11721 Where approved by the Authority Having Jurisdiction piers

that extend more than 152 m (500 ft) in travel distance from shore shall be permitted to provide a Class I standpipe thatis installed in accordance with NFPA 14 Standard for the Installation of Standpipe and Hose Systems

The TC missed the point in the substantiation of the proposalIt was not the intent of the proposal to obtain additional flexibility of FD use over that which is provided by a Class III

standpipe system The intent of the proposal was to provide relief from the requirement where the local AHJ feels thatthe effectiveness and likelihood of occupant use of fire hoses does not justify the added risk to the occupant or theinstallation and maintenance costs associated with the requisite hose for a Class III system A Class I system would stillprovide FD fire fighting capabilities in jurisdictions where the AHJ prefers occupants to evacuate and not attempt to fightfires beyond portable fire extinguisher capability

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From Benedetti BobTo bcotnerswriorgCc Harrington Greg Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiBcc May PaulSubject Inquiry NFPA 30 amp NFPA 30ADate Thursday July 08 2010 121900 PM

Good Morning Mr Cotner Greg Harrington asked that I respond to your question about the proper use ofintermediate bulk containers Actually an intermediate bulk container is a shipping vessel that must meetrequirements and specifications of the U S Department of Transportation for shippingmaterials from Point A to Point B It is not intended to be a storage vessel althoughthe liquid contained is obviously dispensed from the vessel for use Dispensing of motor fuels is covered by NFPA 30A Code for Motor Fuel DispensingFacilities and Repair Garages NFPA 30A states in Subsection 421 421 Liquids shall be stored in the following(1) Approved closed containers that do not exceed 227 L (60 gal) capacity and arelocated outside buildings(2) Tanks or approved closed containers located inside motor fuel dispensingfacilities or repair garages(3) Aboveground tanks underground tanks and containers in accordance with therequirements of Section 43(4) Tanks supplying marine service stations in accordance with Section 112 Section 43 states the following 432 Aboveground Storage Tanks Except as modified by the provisions of thissubsection aboveground storage tanks shall meet all applicable requirements ofChapters 21 through 23 and 27 of NFPA 30 Flammable and Combustible Liquids Code So in accordance with NFPA 30A Subsection 421(3) indicates that abovegroundstorage of motor fuel must be in a tank that meets the provisions of Section 43 Thelatter in turn references the Chapters in NFPA 30 that deal with fixed storage tanks Nowhere in these chapters is there any reference to an intermediate bulk container Chapter 9 of NFPA 30 does recognize an intermediate bulk container for warehouse-type storage of Class I flammable liquids but does not anticipate continual dispensingand use One could evaluate an intermediate bulk container as a means of long-term storageand dispensing of liquids under the Equivalency clause My opinion is that an intermediate bulk container is not considered a substitute for anaboveground storage tank but this is not specifically stated in the relevant codes This issue will be added to the agendas for the Technical Committees involved Please understand that this response is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 ofNFPArsquos Regulations Governing Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon todefinitively determine compliance with any laws ordinances rules or regulations Todetermine legal compliance you should refer to the appropriate authority havingjurisdiction or seek legal advice It is not intended nor should it be relied upon toprovide professional consultation or services To determine the adequacy or safety ofany device or installation you should consult with an appropriate professional

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I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write Iwill be happy to assist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant toNFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does notnecessarily represent the official position of the NFPA or its Technical Committees Inaddition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it be relied upon to provideprofessional consultation or services cc 30IFI 30AIFI AUVNM FLCSWCNM FLCTANNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

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From Harrington Greg Sent Wednesday July 07 2010 350 PMTo Benedetti BobSubject FW Intermediate Bulk Containers Hi Bob Can you answer the question below Hersquos a friend of mine former inspector with San Antonio FD when Iworked down there now a safety guy at SWRI Thanks a lot --Greg

From Bill Cotner [mailtobcotnerswriorg] Sent Wednesday July 07 2010 332 PMTo Harrington GregSubject Intermediate Bulk Containers Hey Greg howrsquos the heat in Boston here it is a balmy 93 enjoying it I have a question probably out ofyour area but Irsquom sure you know who to route it to We have a group here that wants to dispense fuelfrom a stainless steel IBC into test engines I donrsquot think that is the intended use or what it has beenlisted for Can I get some guidance on this issue I appreciate anything you can do for me Bill Bill CotnerSenior Fire SpecialistEnvironmental Safety and Quality SystemsSouthwest Research InstitutePhone (210) 522-5101Fax (210) 522-5093Mobile (210) 669-7005Email bcotner swriorg

From Benedetti BobTo Ebanks DesmondCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiBcc May PaulSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Monday June 14 2010 35400 PM

Good afternoon Mr Ebanks The intent of Subsection 422 of NFPA 30A Code for Motor Fuel Dispensing Facilities and RepairGarages is that there be no direct piped connection between the aboveground storage tank inthe bulk plant and the fuel dispensing device in the motor fuel dispensing facility In my opinionthis includes any intervening underground storage tank The hazard being addressed is the potential to overfill the underground storage tank due to thestatic head of the liquid in the aboveground storage tank Please understand that this response is a personal opinion and does not constitute a FormalInterpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 of NFPArsquos RegulationsGoverning Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitively determine compliancewith any laws ordinances rules or regulations To determine legal compliance you shouldrefer to the appropriate authority having jurisdiction or seek legal advice It is not intended norshould it be relied upon to provide professional consultation or services To determine theadequacy or safety of any device or installation you should consult with an appropriateprofessional I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will behappy to assist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPARegulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarilyrepresent the official position of the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition thiscorrespondence is neither intended nor should it be relied upon to provide professional consultation orservices cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg Attend the premier event for fire life safety and electrical professionals

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From Ebanks Desmond [mailtoDesmondEbanksgovky] Sent Monday May 24 2010 940 AMTo Benedetti BobSubject bulk storage supply to motor fuel facilities Hi Bob NFPA 30A (2003) 422 gives to positions in relation to motor fuel dispensing facilities (mfdf) that I would like to havefurther clarified for Code intent please The first is that dispensing devices at the mfdf shall not be supplied by ASTs located in the bulk plant Does this implythat supply from a UST (underground storage tank) in the bulk storage facility would be acceptable or to the other extentthat even if the bulk AST supplied a loading rack which in turn supplied a UST both in the bulk facility that supplyfrom the bulk AST is still not permitted The second statement refers to any storage tank at the mfdf saying they shall not be connected by piping to bulkfacility ASTs Similarly does this imply that a UST (underground storage tank) in the bulk storage facility would beacceptable or that if the bulk tank was connected to a loading rack and the loading rack connected by non-permanentmeans to an mfdf tank that this would be permissible RegardsDes EbanksAssistant Petroleum InspectorThe Petroleum InspectorateCayman Islands GovernmentAnderson Square 4th floorPO Box 31213Grand CaymanKY1-1205Cayman IslandsOffice 345 244 3458Mobile 345 925 3317Fax 345 949 0920Email desmondebanksgovky

From Benedetti BobTo Shriniwas BodhankarCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiBcc May PaulSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Monday June 14 2010 50100 PM

Good day Sir There has been no discussion by the Technical Committee on Automotive and Marine ServiceStations to alter the separation distances in Table 4324 of NFPA 30A Code for Motor FuelDispensing Facilities and Repair Garages as they pertain to liquid fuels including high flashpoint diesel fuels Also there have been no proposals to make such a change to NFPA 30A I trust this answers your question R P Benedetti cc -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

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From Shriniwas Bodhankar [mailtobodhankarenoccom] Sent Tuesday June 01 2010 536 AMTo Maynard Mary Benedetti BobSubject NFPA 30 A Dear sir Reference is made to table no 4324 of NFPA code 30A specifying the minimum distance between storagetanks and dispensing equipment A dispenser should be placed minimum 50 feet away from a bunded abovegroundsteel tank to meet this requirementIn our opinion this is too stringent and uncalled for in case of high flash diesel ( Flash point above 65 degreecentigrade) A bunded tank where spill can be contained within bund is as safe as a vaulted tankfire resistanttankprotected tank Therefore it is equally safe to install an approved dispensing device immediately outside thebund provided the vent of the tank is 4 meters above the grade level on which the dispensing device is installedVarious international oil companies like SHELL amp BP carry similar installations for their fleet customers of dieselMoreover there are standard skids being marketed in EUROPE (even for gasoline) which have storage tanks and

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dispensers on same skid and such an arrangement is accepted by ldquoAuthority Having Jurisdictionrdquo(AHJ)Kindly advise if this standard requirement is being reviewed or otherwise if based on performance based designsuch a requirement may be waived or considered as ldquo highly recommendedrdquo in the leastBased on your feedback we wish to discuss this with AHJ in UAE Regards Regards Shriniwas BodhankarSenior EHS Compliance Officer( Special Projects)Group EHSQ Compliance DepartmentEmirates National Oil Company Limited (ENOC) LLC ENOC House I PO Box 6442Dubai United Arab EmiratesDirect +971 4 313 4437Fax +971 4 313 4482bodhankarenoccom | wwwenoccom

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From Benedetti BobTo EActonccfireusCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiBcc May PaulSubject Inquiry NFPA 30A amp NFPA 30Date Monday August 02 2010 44400 PMAttachments DSC06169JPG

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Good day Mr Acton Fire protection provisions for major and minor repair garages and ldquolube-onlyrdquofacilities which is the topic of your concern are provided in NFPA 30A Code for MotorFuel Dispensing Facilities and Repair Garages currently 2008 edition Chapter 5 ofNFPA 30A covers piping systems but its specific provisions focus on piping systemsbetween fuel storage tanks and fuel dispensers Chapter 5 also directly referencesChapter 27 of the 2008 edition of NFPA 30 Flammable and Combustible Liquids Code(successor to Chapter 5 of the 2003 edition) Subsection 527 of NFPA 30A allows piping made from low-melting point materials tobe installed in exposed areas but only in specific locations These are limited tocontainment sumps under dispensers containment sumps for underground fuelstorage tanks and sumps for below-grade piping connections Chapter 5 of NFPA 30Ais silent on piping inside buildings Therefore the user is left with the provisions ofChapter 27 of NFPA 30 NFPA 30 in turn does allow piping fabricated of low melting point materials to beused exposed outdoors or inside buildings with the following provisions ldquo27441 Such materials shall be permitted to be used outdoors above ground orinside buildings provided they meet one of the following conditions (1) They are resistant to damage by fire(2) They are located so that any leakage resulting from failure will not exposepersons important buildings or structures(3) They are located where leakage can be controlled by operation of one or moreaccessible remotely located valvesrdquo Regardless of the material of construction of the piping and components the followinggeneral requirement from Chapter 27 of NFPA 30 always applies ldquo273 General Requirements2731 Performance Standards The design fabrication assembly test and inspectionof piping systems shall be suitable for the working pressures and structural stresses tobe encountered by the piping system Compliance with applicable sections of ASMEB31 Code for Pressure Piping and the provisions of this chapter shall be consideredprima facie evidence of compliance with the foregoing provisions2732 Tightness of Piping Piping systems shall be maintained liquidtight A pipingsystem that has leaks that constitute a hazard shall be emptied of liquid or repaired ina manner acceptable to the authority having jurisdictionrdquo Your interpretation of Subsection 511 of the 2003 edition of NFPA 30 (2711 in the2008 edition) is correct the chapter applies to any piping system that handles aflammable or combustible liquid regardless of pressure Likewise you are correct thatthe piping system must meet the provisions of ASME B31 for the material chosen andthe anticipated operating pressures and temperatures (531 in the 2003 edition 2741 in the 2008 edition) However low melting point materials (aluminum copperbrass and polymeric materials) are allowed under the provisions of Subsection 534(2003 edition) and 2744 (2008 edition) What must be determined is does thepiping system comply with one of the conditions stated in 27441 as stated above

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Please understand that this response is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 ofNFPArsquos Regulations Governing Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon todefinitively determine compliance with any laws ordinances rules or regulations Todetermine legal compliance you should refer to the appropriate authority havingjurisdiction or seek legal advice It is not intended nor should it be relied upon toprovide professional consultation or services To determine the adequacy or safety ofany device or installation you should consult with an appropriate professional I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write Iwill be happy to assist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant toNFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does notnecessarily represent the official position of the NFPA or its Technical Committees Inaddition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it be relied upon to provideprofessional consultation or services cc 30IFI 30AIFI AUVNM FLCTANNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

If you have a reported fire in your home the risk of dyingdecreases by about 80 percent when sprinklers are present

wwwfiresprinklerinitiativeorgNotice The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intendedfor the exclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential andor privileged information If you arenot the intended recipient please notify Robert Benedetti immediately by replying to the message or by calling(617) 984-7433 Please delete this message and any attachments from your system Thank you

From Eric Acton [mailtoEActonccfireus] Sent Monday July 19 2010 636 PMTo Benedetti BobSubject InterpretationOpinion request

Good day My name is Eric Acton I am the Fire Marshal for Campbell CountyWyoming and Irsquom employed by Campbell County Fire Department My NFPA

membership number is 2755369 My mailing and email addresses are listed below I am in need of a technical opinion regarding 2003 NFPA 30 Chapter 5 or morecurrently 2008 NFPA 30A Chapter 5 Some brief project backgroundAn owner within my jurisdiction has built a commercial lube-oil center to servicecustomersrsquo vehicles A ldquopitrdquo exists below the service bay to allow workers to drainthe oil from the vehicle then workers on the main floor refill the oil by use ofpressurized nozzles Several motor oil storage tanks are located in the pitaccounting for several brands and viscosities of oil The tanks are designed to befilled by use of a piping system which extends from an exterior connection vault toeach of the storage tanks using gravity to move the product in the fill-pipingsystem The material the owner chose to construct the fill-piping system wasldquostandardrdquo 1-12rdquo Schedule 40 PVC and Parker Series 7094 Electrically Non-Conductive rubber hose The piping system is exposed it is not underground nor isit protected from flame by means of a fire-rated chase Having identified the use of combustible liquids in this occupancy I utilized 2006International Fire Code (as adopted by my jurisdiction) Chapter 34 Flammable andCombustible Liquids to review and inspect the project IFC Section 340362referred me to NFPA 30 Chapter 5 for the construction materials to use where Iinterpreted (2003 version) 30511 to mean that the piping system components (pipetubing flanges bolting gaskets valves fittingshellip) must meet the requirementsregardless of pressure And that the following components specified in theparagraph must meet the requirements ONLY if they contained pressure ndashhelliprdquoexpansion joints and strainers and devices such thathelliprdquo I further interpreted(2003 version) 30531 Material Specifications similarly in that the ldquoPipe valvesfaucets couplingshelliprdquo must meet the requirements regardless of pressure while ldquohellipother pressure-containing partshelliprdquo meant ONLY the other parts that containedpressure Verbatim to 30511 is encountered in 2008 NFPA 30A Chapter 5paragraph 51 Scope The owner states his piping complies with the standard cited because it is gravity-fed hence no ldquopressurerdquo is seen by the piping components I maintain that thepiping system shall consist of metal pipe (or another material meeting therequirements of ASME B31 as allowed by 2003 NFPA 30531) to comply with NFPA30 and IFC Some assistance to resolve this problem is greatly appreciated I have attachedsome photographs for clarification Thanks for your attentionEric

Eric ActonFire MarshalCampbell County Fire Department 106 Rohan Avenue Gillette WY 82716 (307) 682-5319 ext 8912(307) 686-2222 Fax(307) 680-9612 Cell

eactonccfireus (No trees were harmed in the production of this e-mail however a huge number of electrons were horribly inconvenienced)

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From Benedetti BobTo Howard Jim (Woodbridge)Cc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiBcc May PaulSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Monday June 28 2010 115100 AM

Good morning Mr Howard First I appreciate your patience with me while I reviewed the information sent to meby yourself and Mr Luby of Veeder-Root I wanted to ensure that I thoroughlyunderstood how the system functions in its line leak detection mode My understanding of the arrangement of the piping system from the pair ofunderground storage tanks is that the electronic line leak detector the PLLD tests thesupply piping from the two submersible pumps to the dispensers as a single system This includes the direct piping run from the master pump to the dispensers AND thepiping that connects the slave pump to the direct piping run The intent of Subsection 642 of the 2008 edition of NFPA 30A Code for Motor FuelDispensing Facilities and Repair Garages is to ensure that some type of leak detectiondevice monitors the piping from the submersible pump to the dispensers in such amanner that a leak in the piping leading to the dispensers or in the dispensersthemselves is detected and notification of a leak given Since the two pumps act intandem and since the entire piping system from the pumps to the dispensers ismonitored my personal opinion is that the intent of Subsection 642 is met andevaluation of the system described as being equivalent to what is required bySubsection 642 is reasonable Whether the system described meets the criteria of Section 15 Equivalency of NFPA30A must be determined by the authority having jurisdiction As NFPA Staff Liaison forNFPA 30A I cannot make such a determination under NFPArsquos Regulations GoverningCommittee Projects Please understand that this response is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 ofNFPArsquos Regulations Governing Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon todefinitively determine compliance with any laws ordinances rules or regulations Todetermine legal compliance you should refer to the appropriate authority havingjurisdiction or seek legal advice It is not intended nor should it be relied upon toprovide professional consultation or services To determine the adequacy or safety ofany device or installation you should consult with an appropriate professional I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write Iwill be happy to assist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant toNFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does notnecessarily represent the official position of the NFPA or its Technical Committees Inaddition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it be relied upon to provideprofessional consultation or services cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids Engineer

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National Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

If you have a reported fire in your home the risk of dyingdecreases by about 80 percent when sprinklers are present

wwwfiresprinklerinitiativeorgNotice The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intendedfor the exclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential andor privileged information If you arenot the intended recipient please notify Robert Benedetti immediately by replying to the message or by calling(617) 984-7433 Please delete this message and any attachments from your system Thank you

From Howard Jim (Woodbridge) [mailtoJHowardhesscom] Sent Monday June 14 2010 1144 AMTo Benedetti BobCc Howard Jim (Woodbridge) Bob Luby Subject Importance High Bob It was a pleasure talking to you this morning regarding the Line Leak Detection applicationin place at Hess Station 08501 - Milltown DE (drawing attached) as well as several thousandlocations worldwide Here is some background information on this installation

Site had 3 - 10000 gallon gasoline tanks 1 - 10000 Regular (87) 1 - 10000 Plus (89) 1 - 10000 Premium (93) prior to our Dispenser Replacement Project Because of theoverwhelming demand for Regular gasoline (887 in 2009) we converted the existingPlus tank to additional Regular storageDispensers were replaced with new Blend Dispensers Tanks were not manifoldedRegular and former-Plus product lines were manifolded at each dispenserWe installed Veeder-Root PLLDs (Electronic Line Leak Detectors) on the Regular 1and Premium STPs We installed a non-vented Swift Check on Regular 2 (formerPlus) STP Because the PLLD is vented we MUST install a non-vented swift check onRegular STP 2 in order to test the system as a wholeWe have demonstrated via post-construction testing that the system will pick up a 3gph leak

The State of DE has questioned our compliance with NFPA 30A 642 Each pump shallhave installed on the discharge side a listed leak detection device that will provide an audibleor visible indication if the piping or a dispenser is leaking Each leak-detecting device shallbe checked and tested at least annually according to the manufacturers specifications toensure proper installation and operation

Can you comment on whether the system shown on the attached and described above and onour call meets the NFPA requirement or if it meets the definition of Equivalency as definedin Chapter 15 - Equivalency Thank you in advance for your consideration in this matter Please do not hesitate to contactme if there are any questions or concerns on this application ThanksJim Howard RFMPManager Maintenance amp UST ComplianceHess Corporation732-750-6220 (office)800-903-4801 (Emergency Hotline)E-mail UST Inspections to USTCompliancehesscomFax UST Inspections to 866-435-6744

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From Benedetti BobTo Gary KostalCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiBcc May PaulSubject Inquiry NFPA 30 NFPA 30ADate Tuesday August 10 2010 43200 PM

Good afternoon Mr Kostal There are no provisions in NFPA 30 Flammable and Combustible Liquids Code togovern dispensing of motor fuels into motorized equipment and the devices youdescribe are not mentioned at all in NFPA 30 or in the only other related NFPAdocument that might apply NFPA 30A Code for Motor Fuel Dispensing Facilities andRepair Garages I cannot say that these units are either allowed or disallowed because neither NFPA30 nor NFPA 30A speaks about them The only provisions that might apply are the quantity limitations established in thesetwo codes depending on which code applies If the maintenance building is considered an industrial occupancy then Chapter 9 ofNFPA 30 establishes a maximum allowable quantity for of 120 gallons for Class Iliquids (The maximum allowable quantity is actually a threshold value Up to theMAQ compliance with NFPA 30 is not required above it NFPA 30 applies) If the maintenance building is considered a repair garage then NFPA 30A takesprecedence It also sets a 120 gallon limit on the maximum quantity of Class I liquid In both cases the quantity of fuel involved is 50 percent of the maximum allowed Myopinion is that there is no violation of either NFPA 30 or NFPA 30A Please understand that this response is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 ofNFPArsquos Regulations Governing Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon todefinitively determine compliance with any laws ordinances rules or regulations Todetermine legal compliance you should refer to the appropriate authority havingjurisdiction or seek legal advice It is not intended nor should it be relied upon toprovide professional consultation or services To determine the adequacy or safety ofany device or installation you should consult with an appropriate professional I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write Iwill be happy to assist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant toNFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does notnecessarily represent the official position of the NFPA or its Technical Committees Inaddition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it be relied upon to provideprofessional consultation or services cc 30IFI 30AIFI-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch Park

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Quincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg Important Notice This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPA RegulationsAny opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarily represent the officialposition of the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition this correspondence is neither intended norshould it be relied upon to provide professional consultation or services

Visit wwwfirepreventionweekorg or call 800-344-3555 for more information Check out FPW on social mediahellipwwwtwittercomfpw2010wwwfacebookcomfirepreventionweekhttpnfpatypepadcomfpw Check out NFPA onhellip

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From Gary Kostal [mailtogarykbloomingdalefirecom] Sent Monday August 09 2010 328 PMTo Benedetti BobSubject Looking for assistance - portable gas caddies Membership 2329840 Gary KostalFire Prevention DirectorBloomingdale Fire District Question (Non-formal opinion) I have a country club where they service a very large number of lawn maintenance equipment on a dailybasis They are utilizing a portable gas container (gas caddy) that holds approximately 30 gallons ofgasoline The unit is equipped with a hand style pump which is located on the top of the tank Fuel isdispensed from this tank as you crank the pump There are no nozzles located on the hose These gascaddies are being used inside their maintenance building which is fully fire sprinkled They are presentlyusing two of these devices inside the same building which is basically one days use

My question is are these devices allowed for this type of dispensing Are they required to be equippedwith a self closing nozzle What NFPA sections would apply to this particular type of device Thank you for your assistance in this matter

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From Benedetti BobTo SheldonSchallWisconsingovCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Wednesday September 30 2009 45929 PM

Good afternoon Sheldon I will here provide more detailed answers to your questions as posed in the email you sent to me today Section 30A-4323 limits tank storage capacity for Class I and II No limit for Class IIIA or IIIB

You are correct The intent of 4323 is to limit the capacities only of those tanks that storeClass I and II liquids Recall that when NFPA 30A initially allowed aboveground storage tanks atvehicle fueling sites biofuels were not in the picture just gasoline (Class I) and diesel fuel (ClassII) The Technical Committee at the time did not conceive that there would be the need to storeClass III fuels because there werenrsquot any The bottom line NFPA 30A does not limit the capacityof an aboveground storage tank that holds a motor fuel that is a Class III liquid

Section 30A-4324 refers to setbacks in Table 4324 No indication that these setbacks are specific toor exclude any class of flammable or combustible so it appears that the setbacks apply to Class I -Class IIIB liquids This table appears to conflict with the previous section for Class IIIA amp IIIB liquids

This is again correct that the separation distances in Table 4324 are not specific to anyparticular Class of liquid There is no conflict however 4323 deals with tank capacities 4324 deals with separation distances for the tanks Since 4324 does not specify anyparticular liquid class(es) it applies to ALL liquid classes

Section 30A-4325 allows an increased capacity for Class II and III liquids at fleet facilities Thisappears to conflict with section 4323 for Class III liquids which didnt have a capacity limit to startwith

Here there is a conflict or at least a serious inconsistency This provision was added one or twoeditions after 4323 and it appears that biofuels are beginning to be recognized It also appearsthat the intent here was to allow a relaxation of one limit in favor of a more liberal one Theproblem is the original limit doesnrsquot exist making it arguable that the application of 4325 toClass III liquids is meaningless Given the obvious intent here for some limit on Class III liquidfuels 4323 should be amended to include Class IIIs

Section 30A-4327 addresses dispensing from an aboveground tank for Class I and II liquids based uponspecific conditions

Paragraph 4322 is a hold-over dating back to when service stations were covered in Chapter 7of the old versions of NFPA 30 This set of requirements should also be amended to include ClassIIIs

Section 30A-4328 refers to NFPA 30-2171 for spill and overfill This section only applies to class Iand II liquids

While it is true that Subsection 2171 of NFPA 30 only applies to Classes I and II I do not believeit is a conflict for NFPA 30A to also apply it to Class III as well if the Technical Committee it isappropriate to do so However the language needs to be improved or an Annex item should beadded to explain the extrapolation and the reason for it

I will add this to the next meetingrsquos agenda for the Technical Committee on Automotive and MarineService Stations As usual the following applies Please understand that this response to your inquiry is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 of NFPArsquos RegulationsGoverning Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitively determine compliance with anylaws ordinances rules or regulations To determine the adequacy or safety of any device or installationyou should consult with an appropriate professional To determine legal compliance you should refer tothe appropriate authority having jurisdiction or seek legal advice

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I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will be happy toassist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarily represent the official positionof the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it berelied upon to provide professional consultation or services cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

Fire Prevention Week is October 4 ndash 10 2009 Visit wwwfirepreventionweekorg or call 800-344-3555 for moreinformation NFPA Seminars - Apply the codes with confidenceRegister at wwwnfpalearnorg NFPA Membership keeps you up-to-dateVisit wwwnfpaorgjoin for more information Or call 800-344-3555Notice The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for theexclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential andor privileged information If you are not the intendedrecipient please notify Robert Benedetti immediately by replying to the message or by calling (617) 984-7433 Please deletethis message and any attachments from your system Thank you Considering the variables in the sections referenced above are the setbacks in Table 4324 intended toapply to Class IIIA andor Class IIIB liquids for public fueling

From Schall Sheldon - COMMERCE [mailtoSheldonSchallWisconsingov] Sent Wednesday September 30 2009 832 AMTo Benedetti BobSubject NFPA 30A-4324 inquiry - URGENT Section 30A-4323 limits tank storage capacity for Class I and II No limit for Class IIIA or IIIB trueSection 30A-4324 refers to setbacks in Table 4324 No indication that these setbacks are specific toor exclude any class of flammable or combustible so it appears that the setbacks apply to Class I -Class IIIB liquids This table appears to conflict with the previous section for Class IIIA amp IIIB liquids Also trueSection 30A-4325 allows an increased capacity for Class II and III liquids at fleet facilities Thisappears to conflict with section 4323 for Class III liquids which didnt have a capacity limit to startwith Either one or the other needs to changeSection 30A-4327 addresses dispensing from an aboveground tank for Class I and II liquids based uponspecific conditions Need to cover IIIBSection 30A-4328 refers to NFPA 30-2171 for spill and overfill This section only applies to class Iand II liquids Class IIIs need to be specifically addressed Considering the variables in the sections referenced above are the setbacks in Table 4324 intended toapply to Class IIIA andor Class IIIB liquids for public fueling

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From Benedetti BobTo Bill HickmanCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Monday December 14 2009 50332 PM

Good afternoon Mr Hickman To answer your question the separation distances in Table 4324 of NFPA 30A Code for MotorFuel Dispensing Facilities and Repair Garages are intended to apply to outside abovegroundstorage tanks for fuel where such is allowed The tanks inside a service station building majorrepair garage or minor repair garage would likely be handling Class IIIB liquids (flash point gt200 degF) only in accordance with Subsection 4392 of NFPA 30A Subsection 4392 does not set any specific requirements for separation between tanks inside abuilding although it does refer back to Chapters 21 through 23 of NFPA 30 Flammable andCombustible Liquids Code Shell-to-shell spacing distances for aboveground tanks areestablished in Table 22421 Table 22421 is intended for much large tanks than one wouldfind in a repair garage or ldquolube-onlyrdquo facility For example the minimum separation for tanksstoring Class IIIB liquids is 3 feet as set forth in 224212 But again the separationdistances in Chapter 22 of NFPA 30 are intended for tank farm application not for the muchsmaller tanks found in the type of occupancy governed by NFPA 30A Also any facility meeting the requirements of NFPA 30A is considered to be in compliance withNFPA 30 Please understand that this response to your inquiry is a personal opinion and does notconstitute a Formal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 ofNFPArsquos Regulations Governing Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitivelydetermine compliance with any laws ordinances rules or regulations To determine theadequacy or safety of any device or installation you should consult with an appropriateprofessional To determine legal compliance you should refer to the appropriate authorityhaving jurisdiction or seek legal advice I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will behappy to assist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPARegulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarilyrepresent the official position of the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition thiscorrespondence is neither intended nor should it be relied upon to provide professional consultation orservices cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg If you have a reported fire in your home the risk of dyingdecreases by about 80 percent when sprinklers are present

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wwwfiresprinklerinitiativeorgNotice The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for theexclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential andor privileged information If you are not the intendedrecipient please notify Robert Benedetti immediately by replying to the message or by calling (617) 984-7433 Please deletethis message and any attachments from your system Thank you

From Bill Hickman [mailtoBillHickmanstatecous] Sent Tuesday December 01 2009 939 AMTo Benedetti BobSubject Inquiry NFPA 30A - Storage of Liquids Inside Buildings Mr Benedetti Id appreciate your interpretation on an item regarding aboveground tanks storing lubricants (newused oil) inside abuilding at a repair garage NFPA 30A 439 does not include specific spacing requirements for tanks inside buildings Where there are multiple tanks being stored inside the building is there no minimum separation distance requirementthat must be met or do the requirements of Table 4324 apply Thank you in advance for your assistance __________________________________ Bill HickmanInspectorTechnical SpecialistCO Division of Oil amp Public Safety303-378-5090

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From Benedetti BobTo Peznowski EdwardCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Thursday September 03 2009 30455 PM

Hi Ed The 1996 edition of the Flammable and Combustible Liquids Code Handbook was the last one prior to thecurrent 2008 edition The commentary hasnrsquot changed My recollection of the development of this text is that the intent of NFPA 30A Code for Motor FuelDispensing Facilities and Repair Garages is to isolate the motor fuel dispensing area and its attendanthazard completely from the rest of the structure regardless of what else might be in the structure Subsection 524 assumes that the installation involves a motor fuel dispensing operation inside abuilding where you would not expect to have same such as an office building A bus repair facility wouldbe probably classed as a major repair garage and would be expected to have fueling operations Thehazard of this is in my opinion no greater than the repair operations It could be that the language in Subsection 524 needs to be clarified so that it applies only to situationssuch as I first described Please understand that this response to your inquiry is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 of NFPArsquos RegulationsGoverning Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitively determine compliance with anylaws ordinances rules or regulations To determine the adequacy or safety of any device or installationyou should consult with an appropriate professional To determine legal compliance you should refer tothe appropriate authority having jurisdiction or seek legal advice I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will be happy toassist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarily represent the official positionof the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it berelied upon to provide professional consultation or services cc 30AIFI 30AFAQ AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

Fire Prevention Week is October 4 ndash 10 2009 Visit wwwfirepreventionweekorg or call 800-344-3555 for moreinformation NFPA Seminars - Apply the codes with confidenceRegister at wwwnfpalearnorg NFPA Membership keeps you up-to-dateVisit wwwnfpaorgjoin for more information Or call 800-344-3555Notice The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for the

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exclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential andor privileged information If you are not the intendedrecipient please notify Robert Benedetti immediately by replying to the message or by calling (617) 984-7433 Please deletethis message and any attachments from your system Thank you

From Peznowski Edward [mailtoEdwardPeznowskipostatectus] Sent Monday August 31 2009 127 PMTo Benedetti BobSubject NFPA 30A Hi Bob Sorry to bother you but I need your help and interpretation of the following section of NFPA 30A 2000edition 524 - All piping inside buildings but outside the motor fuel dispensing area shall be enclosed within ahorizontal chase or a vertical shaft used only for this piping Vertical shafts and horizontal chases shall beconstructed of materials having a fire resistance rating of not less than 2 hours Bob I have a bus repair facility being built and we have fuel dispensing area within the building enclosedwith a 2hr fire resistive separation My question is I have diesel fuel piping coming from two tanks locatedoutside of the building the piping runs outside of the dispensing area does this piping need to be enclosed Ihave the proper UL listed system for through wall penetrations My problem lies here I have natural gas heating fuel oil lines for boilers and diesel fuel line for thegenerator all running through the area outside the 2 hour rated dispensing area which are not required to beenclosed My thought is within the 2 hour fire resistive construction I have storage rooms for grease and oil a office forfuel dispensing Any fuel piping running through these areas would be enclosed but once I go outside my 2hrrated enclosure the piping would not have to be enclosed NFPA 30A (1996edition)6-42 - All fuel and flammable vapor piping inside buildings but outside the service station area shall beenclosed within a horizontal chase or a vertical shaft used only for this piping Vertical shafts and horizontalchases shall be constructed of materials having a fire resistance rating of not less than 2 hoursCOMMENTARY 6-42 The intent of this requirement is to preserve the isolation of the service stationoperation from the rest of the building I donrsquot have the 2000 handbook for commentary Thanks Bob Edward J PeznowskiFire amp Life Safety SpecialistBureau of EngineeringOffice State Fire Marshal860-685-8350

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From Benedetti BobTo Hamilton James P (HOY)Cc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiSubject Inquiry NFPA 30A-2008Date Monday September 14 2009 115041 AM

Good morning Mr Hamilton The intent of this particular provision of Subsection 672 of NFPA 30A Code for Motor Fuel DispensingFacilities and Repair Garages is to ensure that the patron has access to a second disconnect if he or shecannot reach the primary disconnect ie the one that is between 20 and 100 feet from the dispenser In my opinion all of the emergency disconnects required by Section 67 must be at least 20 ft but normore than 100 ft from the nearest dispenser Please understand that this response to your inquiry is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 of NFPArsquos RegulationsGoverning Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitively determine compliance with anylaws ordinances rules or regulations To determine the adequacy or safety of any device or installationyou should consult with an appropriate professional To determine legal compliance you should refer tothe appropriate authority having jurisdiction or seek legal advice I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will be happy toassist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarily represent the official positionof the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it berelied upon to provide professional consultation or services cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

Fire Prevention Week is October 4 ndash 10 2009 Visit wwwfirepreventionweekorg or call 800-344-3555 for moreinformation NFPA Seminars - Apply the codes with confidenceRegister at wwwnfpalearnorg NFPA Membership keeps you up-to-dateVisit wwwnfpaorgjoin for more information Or call 800-344-3555Notice The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for theexclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential andor privileged information If you are not the intendedrecipient please notify Robert Benedetti immediately by replying to the message or by calling (617) 984-7433 Please deletethis message and any attachments from your system Thank you

From Hamilton James P (HOY) [mailtoHAMILTONJPbechteljacobsorg] Sent Thursday September 10 2009 1224 PMTo Benedetti BobSubject NFPA 30A 2008 Edition

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Importance High

NFPA 30A 672 states at least one additional device or disconnect shall be readily accessible toeach group of dispensing devices on an individual island Our installation does not have islands Should the second emergency shutoff be installed close to the pumps or between 20 and 100 ofthe pumps

Please respond back via email hamiltonjpbechteljacobsorg

Thanks

NFPA 127130 James P Hamilton CFPSTetraTek Inc - Fire Safety TechnologiesFire Protection LeadK-27 Pre-Demo Project 790 Emory Valley Rd 811 Oak Ridge TN 37830 ETTP Office 865-241-1902

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From Benedetti BobTo Scott DavonskiCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Tuesday August 04 2009 92429 AM

Good morning Mr Davonski My opinion is that the intent of the requirement in Subsection 1141 of NFPA 30A Code for Motor FuelDispensing Facilities and Repair Garages is that any hose longer than 18 feet should not simply bestrung along the dockrsquos surface Using a reel would be one means of securing the hose although Irsquomsure other methods such as hangers would work as well Please understand that this response to your inquiry is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 of NFPArsquos RegulationsGoverning Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitively determine compliance with anylaws ordinances rules or regulations To determine the adequacy or safety of any device or installationyou should consult with an appropriate professional To determine legal compliance you should refer tothe appropriate authority having jurisdiction or seek legal advice I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will be happy toassist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarily represent the official positionof the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it berelied upon to provide professional consultation or services cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

Fire Prevention Week is October 4 ndash 10 2009 Visit wwwfirepreventionweekorg or call 800-344-3555 for moreinformation NFPA Seminars - Apply the codes with confidenceRegister at wwwnfpalearnorg NFPA Membership keeps you up-to-dateVisit wwwnfpaorgjoin for more information Or call 800-344-3555Notice The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for theexclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential andor privileged information If you are not the intendedrecipient please notify Robert Benedetti immediately by replying to the message or by calling (617) 984-7433 Please deletethis message and any attachments from your system Thank you

From Scott Davonski [mailtodavonskiRiverheadlicom] Sent Wednesday July 22 2009 1118 AMTo Benedetti BobSubject 30A clarification

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1141 All hose shall be listed Where hose length exceeds 55 m (18 ft) the hose shall besecured so as to protect it from damage Can you provide clarification as to what is meant by ldquosecured so as to protect it fromdamagerdquo Is the standard looking not to have the hoses on the dock In a reel Any clarificationinformation would be appreciated Scott W DavonskiChief Fire MarshalTown of RiverheadP- 631-727-3200 ext 209F- 631-727-3370

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Page 5: TECHNICAL COMMITTEE ON AUTOMOTIVE and MARINE … · SUBJECT: Agenda for ROC Meeting – October 4, 2010 _____ Ladies and Gentlemen: Attached is the Agenda for the NFPA 30A Report

AUV2009-04 Minutesdoc

5 The Staff Liaison presented the following report

Technical Committee Scope amp Technical Committee Name At the April 2009 meeting the Technical Committee reviewed but did not act on proposed changes to the Technical Committeersquos Scope statement A slightly amended version of the April Proposal was presented The Technical Committee made additional changes and directed the Staff Liaison to circulate the proposed new scope statement to letter ballot of the committee then to submit the new scope statement to the NFPA Standards Council for approval

Technical Committee Membership Status The Staff Liaison reported on changes to the membership of the committee A request was made that the Staff Liaison include definitions of the interest categories

A2011 Document Revision Schedule The Staff Liaison reviewed the deadlines of the 2011 document revision schedule

6 Report on Alternative Fuels

Status of NFPA 2 Hydrogen Technologies Code NFPA 2 has been published in the Fall 2010 Report on Proposals (ROP) with a Comment Closing Deadline of March 5 2010 Andrea Zajac reported on the latest activities involving NFPA 2 The Technical Committee expressed its concern that any extractions of text from NFPA 30A be done correctly

Biofuels Biodiesel Ethanol etc Doug Horne reported that proposals have been submitted to the International Fire Code to better define E85 He noted that research shows that there can be ignitable mixtures in the head space of tanks with intermediate blends Bob Renkes reported on ULSD effects on fuel system eg corrosive effects on metal components

Update of UL Work on Alternative Fuels Al Ramirez reported on Underwriters Laboratoriesrsquo progress on listing system components for use with intermediate ethanolgasoline blends Bob Renkes raised the issue would use of legacy equipment with fuels for which equipment wasnrsquot listed violate NFPA 30A

Diesel Exhaust Fluid (DEF) Bob Renkes reported that PEIRP1100-10 Recommended Practices for the Storage and Dispensing of Diesel Exhaust Fluid (DEF) has been published

7 The Technical Committee heard reports from the following Task Groups

Maintenance amp Inspection Fire Protection amp Control Cross-References to NFPA 30 Dispenser Disconnects

8 The Technical Committee completed final changes to its proposed new Table 831 for NFPA 30A to

ensure correlation with the table incorporated into the 2011 edition of NFPA 70reg National Electrical Codereg There might need to be some additional changes to address sumps and pits

9 The Technical Committee reviewed and acted on all remaining proposals to amend NFPA 30Aand

developed Committee Proposals as necessary The Technical Committee directed the Staff Liaison to circulate the Report on Proposals (ROP) for letter ballot of the Technical Committee

10 The Technical Committee reviewed the proposed Chapter 12 rewrite and decided to include the

rewrite as a rejected Committee Proposal to elicit public comment 11 The Technical Committee reviewed recent correspondence and determined that there was no action

necessary

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12 Under ldquoOther Old Businessrdquo the Technical Committee reviewed the following two issues and determined that no action was necessary

Definition of ldquoAdequate Ventilationrdquo Proper Classification of Repair Garage

13 The Technical Committee reviewed the following items of new business

Inquiry on Scope and Application of NFPA 30A The Technical Committee points out that portable equipment is not within the scope of NFPA 30A

Inconsistency Between NFPA 30A and NFPA 70 Larry Gregory agreed to propose a change to NFPA 70reg National Electrical Codereg

Area Classification for Kiosks on Islands The Technical Committee determined that no action was necessary

Potential Static Electricity Hazard During Marine Fueling The Technical Committee determined that this issue was outside its scope

An Experimental and Modeling Study of the Flammability of Fuel Tank Headspace Vapors from High Ethanol Content Fuels ndash NRELSR-540-44040 October 2008 This report was brought to the attention of the committee by Doug Horne The link to the report is httpwwwnrelgovfy09osti44040pdf

14 The Technical Committee agreed to schedule its next meeting for October 4 2010 in

Atlanta GA to be held in conjunction with the Petroleum Equipment Institutersquos convention 15 The meeting adjourned at 300 PM on January 21 2010

AUV Revised Scope Statement2010-01-06doc

TECHNICAL COMMITTEE ON AUTOMOTIVE and MARINE SERVICE STATIONS

SCOPE STATEMENT

This Committee shall have primary responsibility for documents on safeguarding against the fire and explosion hazards associated with the general storage handling and dispensing of flammable and combustible liquids and gaseous motor fuels at motor fuel dispensing facilities service stations and with related activities such as operation inspection maintenance and repair of dispensing system components and dispensing gaseous fuels This committee shall also have primary responsibility for documents on construction control of fire hazards ventilation fire protection and maintenance of repair facilities garages This committee shall not have responsibility for the dispensing of gaseous fuels at facilities where no liquid fuels are dispensed including residential occupancies ie dispensing of gaseous fuels as covered by NFPA 2 Hydrogen Technologies Code and NFPA 52 Vehicular Fuel Systems Code Responsible for NFPA 30A Code for Motor Fuel Dispensing Facilities and Repair Garages

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AUV Committee Balancedoc - 8122010

TECHNICAL COMMITTEE ON AUTOMOTIVE and MARINE SERVICE STATIONS

COMMITTEE MEMBERSHIP BALANCE SUMMARY

AUV-AAA NFPA 30A

Members 24 M 7 (29) U 5 (21) Voting Alternates 0 IM 3 (13) LC 0 Alternates 7 RT 2 (8) E 3 (13)

Non-Voting 2 I 2 (8) SE 2 (8) Emeritus 1

Task Group 0 Hold List 0 Balance OK (CNG equipment 1 dispensing nozzles 0 dispensing system components 2 fire suppression equipment 1 LNG dispensing systems 1 storage tanks 2) (fleet operators 2 independent retail 1 lube-only facilities 1 major retail 0 marine facilities 1) (fire suppression systems 1 fuel dispensing systems 1 LPG dispensing systems 1)

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MASTER SCHEDULE2011 Annual Cycledoc

2011 ANNUAL REVISION CYCLE

PROCESS STAGE PROCESS STEP

DATES FOR TC

DATES FOR TCC

COMPLETION

DATE

VERIFY MATERIAL

IN FILE 1 PRELIMINARY 10 Notification of intent to enter cycle 71009 71009

2 REPORT ON PROPOSALS

(ROP)

21 Proposal closing date 112409 112409

22 Final date for ROP meeting 22610 2510 23 Final date for mailing TC ballots 31910 21910 24 Receipt of (TC) ballots by staff liaison 42310 31210 25 Receipt of TC recirculation ballots 5710 31910 26 Final date for TCC meeting 41610 27 Final date for mailing TCC ballots 42310 28 Receipt of TCC ballots 51410 29 Receipt of TCC recirculation ballots 52110 210 Final copy (w ballot statements) to Secretary Standards Council

51410 52810

211 Completion of Reports 52110 6410 212 ROP Published and Posted 62510 62510

3 REPORT ON

COMMENTS (ROC)

31 Comment closing date 9310 9310 32 Final date for ROC meeting 11510 10810 33 Final date for mailing TC ballots 111910 102210 34 Receipt of (TC) ballots by staff liaison 12310 111210 35 Receipt of TC recirculation ballots 121010 111910 36 Final date for TCC meeting 121710 37 Final date for mailing TCC ballots 122210 38 Receipt of TCC ballots 11411 39 Receipt of TCC recirculation ballots 12111 310 Final copy (w ballot statements) to Secretary Standards Council

122210 12811

311 Completion of Reports 11411 2411 312 ROC Published and Posted 22511 22511

TECH SESSION PREPARATION amp ISSUANCE OF

CONSENT DOCUMENTS

41 Notice of Intent to Make a Motion (NITMAM) Closing Date

4811 4811

42 Posting of Filed NITMAM 5611 5611 43 Council Issuance Date for Consent Documents 53111 53111 44 Appeal Closing Date for Consent Documents 61511 61511

TECHNICAL SESSION

50 Association Meeting for Documents with Certified Amending Motions

612-1611 612-1611

APPEALS amp ISSUANCE OF DOCUMENTS

WCAMS

61 Appeal closing date for Documents with Certified Amending Motions

7611 7611

62 Council issuance for Documents with Certified Amending Motions

8411 8411

Proposal Closing Dates may vary according to documents and schedules for Revision Cycles may change Please check the NFPA website (wwwnfpaorg) for the most up-to-date information on proposal closing dates and schedules

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TIA 9852010-06-15 ndash IFMA Counterproposaldoc

Proposed TIA to NFPA 30A-2008 1 Add a new definition of ldquoalcohol blended motor fuelrdquo to read as follows

ldquo33X Alcohol Blended Motor Fuel Motor fuel consisting of a blend of alcohol such as ethanol and gasoline with an alcohol concentration greater than 10 percent by volume including those with nominally 85 percent ethanol 15 percent unleaded gasoline (E85)rdquo

2 Revise 632 to read

ldquo632 Dispensing devices for Class I and II liquids shall be listed for the specific fuels being dispensed A632 See UL 87 Standard for Power-Operated Dispensing Devices for Petroleum Products or UL SU87A Outline for Power-Operated Dispensing Devices for Gasoline and GasolineEthanol Blends with Nominal Concentrations up to 85 Percent 6321 Existing listed or labeled dispensing devices shall be permitted to be modified provided that the modifications made are ldquoListed by Reportrdquo by an approved testing laboratory or as otherwise approved by the authority having jurisdiction Modification proposals shall contain a description of the component parts used in the modification and the recommended methods of installation on specific dispensing devices Modification proposals shall be made available to the authority having jurisdiction upon request 6322 Existing dispensing devices shall be listed for the specific fuel or fuels being dispensed 63221 Where existing dispensing devices are not listed for a specific fuel or fuels see Section 15 Equivalency A6322 1 The authority having jurisdiction by virtue of Section 15 may approve the use of existing equipment for fuels for which no listing is available Where the authority having jurisdiction approves the use of an existing dispensing device or existing related dispensing equipment for use with alcohol blended motor fuels the approval of the dispensing device and related dispensing equipment may be based on the following (1) The dispensing device and related dispensing equipment should be listed for dispensing of gasoline motor fuel and (2) The dispensing device and related dispensing equipment should be inspected by a person who is knowledgeable in the operation of the equipment to verify that it is in proper working order and is not leaking as described in (a) and (b) (a) A visual inspection of the fuel dispenser and its associated hanging hardware should be conducted ldquoHanging hardwarerdquo includes the following components that might be present hose nozzle valve hose breakaway valve and hose swivel Inspections should be conducted at least weekly and should be documented Documentation should be available for review by the authority having jurisdiction upon request (b) An inspection of the fuel-dispensing equipment that is located inside the dispenser cabinet should be conducted The interior of the dispenser cabinet should

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TIA 9852010-06-15 ndash IFMA Counterproposaldoc

be inspected for signs of leaks damage corrosion or weathering with particular attention to the sump area and joints and castings of fuel handling components The inspection should be conducted at least monthly and should be documented Documentation should be available for review by the authority having jurisdiction upon request (c) If a leak is discovered use of the affected dispensing device should be discontinued until repairs can be made The authority having jurisdiction is provided with the ability to approve for use with mid-level alcohol blended motor fuels (eg E15 15 percent ethanol 85 percent unleaded gasoline) dispensing devices and related dispensing equipment currently listed for use with E10 (10 percent ethanol 90 percent unleaded gasoline) Approval of the dispensing device or related dispensing equipment for use with alcohol blended motor fuel requires that the dispensing device and related dispensing equipment be listed for use with E10 and that periodic inspection be conducted to verify that the equipment is functioning properly Useful forms for documenting inspections can be found in PEIRP500-05 Recommended Practices for Inspection and Maintenance of Motor Fuel Dispensing Equipment and are also available at wwwpeiorgrp500 In addition the authority having jurisdiction may take into account other factors including actual field experience evidence of compatibility (eg manufacturerrsquos declaration) and functionality by government agencies trade associations and testing laboratories Underwriters Laboratories Inc has listed dispensing devices and related dispensing equipment for alcohol blended motor fuels up to E10 and more recently has begun listing dispensing devices for alcohol blended motor fuels up to E25 (25 percent ethanol 75 percent unleaded gasoline) However the majority of existing dispensing devices and related dispensing equipment currently in service at motor fuel dispensing facilities are not listed for use with alcohol blended motor fuels with more than 10 percent ethanol While higher alcohol blended motor fuels (eg E85 85 percent ethanol 15 percent unleaded gasoline) are typically sold as an alternative to E10 the mid-level alcohol blended motor fuels such as E15 if approved by the U S Environmental Protection Agency might likely become a replacement for current motor fuels either through state or federal mandates or because of supply chain restrictions In order to maintain the supply of motor fuel this might require the sale of mid-level blends through the existing dispensing devices and related dispensing equipmentrdquo

3 Revise 651 to read

ldquo651 Listed hose assemblies shall be used to dispense fuels shall be listed for the specific fuels being dispensed Hose length at automotive motor fuel dispensing facilities shall not exceed 55 m (18 ft) Where hose length at marine motor fuel dispensing facilities exceeds 55 m (18 ft) the hose shall be secured so as to protect it from damage (See A63221)rdquo

4 Revise 661 to read

ldquo661 An automatic-closing-type hose nozzle valve listed in accordance with UL 842 Standard for Valves for Flammable Fluids and listed for the specific fuels being dispensed with or without latch-open device shall be provided on island-type dispensing devices used to dispense Class I or Class II liquids (See A63221)rdquo

5 Revise 681 and 682 to read

TIA 9852010-06-15 ndash IFMA Counterproposaldoc

ldquo681 Dispensing devices that incorporate vapor recovery shall be listed for the specific fuels being dispensed (See A63221) 682 Hose nozzle valves used on vapor recovery systems shall be listed for the purpose and for the specific fuels being dispensed (See A63221)rdquo

6 Add a new entry to Table B1 Typical Flammable and Combustible Liquids Found at Motor Fuel Dispensing Facilities to read as follows

ldquoAlcohol Blended Motor Fuel -40 degF ndash 55 degF Class IB varies nardquo A6321 proposed 6231 and its annex all becomes annex material gtgtgt New lead-in Where modifications are made 2 Add a new Subsection 623 and an accompanying annex text to read as follows A6322 Where dispensing devices and related dispensing equipment including dispensers hoses nozzles breakaway fittings swivels flexible connectors dispenser emergency shutoff valves and vapor recovery systems and pumps are propose for use for alcohol blended motor fuels they should be listed Where there is currently no listing see 15 for equivalencies Section 15 permits the authority having jurisdiction to approve non-listed components for the specific for the specific fuel being dispensed Where the authority having jurisdiction approves the use of a dispensing device or related dispensing equipment for use with alcohol blended motor fuels the approval of the dispensing device and related dispensing equipment could include the following (1) The dispensing device and related dispensing equipment shall be listed for dispensing of gasoline motor fuel and (2) The dispensing device and related dispensing equipment shall be periodically inspected by a person who is knowledgeable in the operation of the equipment to verify that it is in proper working order and is not leaking as described in (a) and (b) (a) A visual inspection of the fuel dispenser and its associated hanging hardware shall be conducted ldquoHanging hardwarerdquo shall include the following components that might be present hose nozzle valve hose breakaway valve and hose swivel Inspections shall be conducted at least weekly and shall be documented Documentation shall be available for review by the authority having jurisdiction upon request (b) An inspection of the fuel-dispensing equipment that is located inside the dispenser cabinet shall be conducted The interior of the dispenser cabinet shall be inspected for signs of leaks damage corrosion or weathering with particular attention to the sump area and joints and castings of fuel handling components The inspection shall be conducted at least monthly and shall be documented Documentation shall be available for review by the authority having jurisdiction upon request NEEDS TO TELL WHAT TO DO BEYOND MERE DOCUMENTATION ALSO NEED TO REPLACE ldquoPERIODICrdquo WITH FIRM TIME A623 See UL SU87A Outline for Power-Operated Dispensing Devices for Gasoline and GasolineEthanol Blends with Nominal Concentrations up to 85 Percent

TIA 9852010-06-15 ndash IFMA Counterproposaldoc

A6231 The authority having jurisdiction is provided with the ability to approve for use with mid-level alcohol blended motor fuels (eg E15 15 percent ethanol 85 percent unleaded gasoline) dispensing devices and related dispensing equipment currently listed for use with E10 (10 percent ethanol 90 percent unleaded gasoline) Approval of the dispensing device or related dispensing equipment for use with alcohol blended motor fuel requires that the dispensing device and related dispensing equipment be listed for use with E10 and that periodic inspection be conducted to verify that the equipment is functioning properly Useful forms for documenting inspections can be found in PEIRP500-05 Recommended Practices for Inspection and Maintenance of Motor Fuel Dispensing Equipment and are also available at wwwpeiorgrp500 In addition the authority having jurisdiction may take into account other factors including actual field experience evidence of compatibility (eg manufacturerrsquos declaration) and functionality by government agencies trade associations and testing laboratories Underwriters Laboratories Inc has listed dispensing devices and related dispensing equipment for alcohol blended motor fuels up to E10 and more recently has begun listing dispensing devices for alcohol blended motor fuels up to E25 (25 percent ethanol 75 percent unleaded gasoline) However the majority of existing dispensing devices and related dispensing equipment currently in service at motor fuel dispensing facilities are not listed for use with alcohol blended motor fuels with more than 10 percent ethanol While higher alcohol blended motor fuels (eg E85 85 percent ethanol 15 percent unleaded gasoline) are typically sold as an alternative to E10 the mid-level alcohol blended motor fuels such as E15 if approved by the U S Environmental Protection Agency might likely become a replacement for current motor fuels either through state or federal mandates or because of supply chain restrictions In order to maintain the supply of motor fuel this might require the sale of mid-level blends through the existing dispensing devices and related dispensing equipmentrdquo

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Report on Comments ndash June 2011 NFPA 30A_______________________________________________________________________________________________30A- Log 6

_______________________________________________________________________________________________John F Bender Underwriters Laboratories Inc

30A-6Revise text as follows

Underwriters Laboratories Inc 333 Pfingsten Road Northbrook IL 60062-2096UL 87 Standard for Power-Operated Dispensing Devices for Petroleum Products 2001 Revised 2008ANSIUL 842 Standard for Valves for Flammable Fluids 2007 Revised 2010UL 2080 Standard for Fire Resistant Tanks for Flammable and Combustible Liquids 2000ANSIUL 2085 Standard for Protected Aboveground Tanks for Flammable and Combustible Liquids 1997 Revised

1999UL 2245 Standard for Below-Grade Vaults for Flammable Liquid Storage Tanks 2006

Updated referenced standards to most recent revisions Add ANSI approval designation to ANSIUL842 and ANSIUL 2085

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Report on Comments ndash June 2011 NFPA 30A_______________________________________________________________________________________________30A- Log 4

_______________________________________________________________________________________________Marshall A Klein Marshall A Klein amp Associates Inc

30A-7Revise text to read as follows

331 Basement Basement For the purposes of this code a story of a building or structure having one-half or more ofits height below ground level and to which access for fire-fighting purposes is restricted [302008] Any story of a buildingwholly or partly below grade plane that is not considered the first story above grade plane (Also see 33X ldquoFirst StoryAbove Grade Planerdquo 33Y ldquoGrade Planerdquo and 33Z ldquoStoryrdquo) [5000 2009]33X First Story Above Grade Plane Any story having its finished floor surface entirely above grade plane except

that a basement shall be considered as a first story above grade plane where the finished surface of the floor above thebasement is (1) more than 6 ft (1830 mm) above grade plane or (2) more than 12 ft (3660 mm) above the finished levelat any point (See also 33Z ldquoStoryrdquo) [5000 2009]33Z Story The portion of a building located between the upper surface of a floor and the upper surface of the floor or

roof next above [5000 2009]33Y Grade Plane A reference plane representing the average of the finished ground level adjoining the building at all

exterior walls When the finished ground level slopes down from the exterior walls the grade plane is established by thelowest points within the area between the building and the lot line or when the lot line is more than 6 ft (1830 mm) fromthe building between the building and a point 6 ft (1830 mm) from the building (See also 33W ldquoFinished Ground Level(Graderdquo) [5000 2009]33W Finished Ground Level (Grade) The level of the finished ground (earth or other surface on ground) (See also33Y ldquoGrade Planerdquo) [5000 2009]

The Committeersquos substantiation for this Committee Proposal was ldquoThis definition is the preferreddefinition from the NFPA Glossary of Terms Changing the secondary definition to the preferred definition complies withthe Glossary of Terms Projectrdquo Also the Committeersquos statement said in part ldquohellipThe key issue relative to NFPA 30A issafe access to and evacuation from the basement area by emergency responders during an emergencyrdquo

Since the first edition of the NFPA 5000 Building Code the NFPA 30A Committee has attempted to be in correlationwith NFPA 5000 and the other Model Building Code in the the United States IBC The dispensing facilities and repairgarage buildings constructed under the NFPA 30A are also required to comply with the local building code which will beeither NFPA 5000 or IBC The proposed definition for ldquobasementrdquo that is taken from NFPA 30 is more suited for thelarger flammable and combustible types of facilities built under NFPA 30 not the service centersrepair garages builtunder NFPA 30A and the building codes

NFPA 30A should stay with its present position to correlate with the definition for a ldquobasementrdquo with NFPA 5000ldquoBuilding Construction and safety Coderdquo and not replace this definition with the one that is in NFPA 30 ldquoFlammable andCombustible Liquids Coderdquo

The term ldquobasementrdquo is only used in the NFPA 30A Code in Section 423 that deals with ignitable vapors in abasement or pit and Section 746 that applies when sprinklers are required to be installed in the basement of a majorrepair garage The two NFPA 30A sections on basements relate more to the application of the requirements in NFPA5000 and IBC than to the requirements in NFPA 30 ldquoFlammable and Combustible Liquids Coderdquo As I have notedabove during the development of the NFPA 5000 Building Code the NFPA 30A Committee was very careful tocorrelate its requirements with NFPA 5000 NFPA 101 amp IBC so that there would be minimum conflicts in theapplication of the requirements of NFPA 30A with these other Codes that greatly impact the design and construction ofMotor Fuel Dispensing Facilities and Repair Garages The definition of ldquobasementrdquo is critically important forbuilding design and should be correlated with the building codes used throughout the US and we should not use adifferent definition for basement that would cause confusion and cost in the design and application of the NFPA 30Arequirements where NFPA 5000 NFPA 101 or IBC Codes are also adopted

I have also included the addition of the definitions of ldquoFirst Story Above Grade Planerdquo ldquoStoryrdquo ldquoGrade Planerdquo andldquoFinished Ground Level (Grade)rdquo from NFPA 5000 to provide complete correlation on these building definitions withNFPA 5000 and the IBC For individuals using NFPA 30A that are only used to working with NFPA 30 these definitions

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Report on Comments ndash June 2011 NFPA 30Amay seem like overkill but to the great majority of code officials designers and owners of these types of dispensingfacilities and repair garages correlation of these terms with NFPA 5000 and IBC are critical to prevent major conflictsdelays and cost increases in interpretations and applications of code requirements between the building departmentsand fire departments

In summation based on the two sections in NFPA 30A that cover a ldquobasementrdquo requirement it serves the public interestbetter to use the ldquobasementrdquo definition and its related building definitions from NFPA 5000 to properly correlate with themodel buildings codes not NFPA 30

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Report on Comments ndash June 2011 NFPA 30A_______________________________________________________________________________________________30A- Log 1

_______________________________________________________________________________________________Alex Ralston Petcon Inc

NARevise text to read as follows

Means shall be provided to sound an audible alarm when the liquid level in the tank reaches 90 percent of capacityMeans shall also be provided either to automatically stop the flow of liquid into the tank when the liquid level reaches 98percent capacity or to restrict the flow of liquid into the tank to a maximum flow rate of 95L min (25 gpm) when theliquid level in the tank reaches 95 percent capacityThe federal underground storage tank rules state that means shall be provided to stop the flow of liquid into the tank

when the liquid reaches 95 percent capacity or restrict the flow into the tank when the liquid level reaches 90 percentcapacity

None given

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Report on Comments ndash June 2011 NFPA 30A_______________________________________________________________________________________________30A- Log 2

_______________________________________________________________________________________________Alex Ralston Petcon Inc

NARevise text to read as follows

On remote pressure pumping systems each pump shall have installed on the discharge side a listed leak detectiondevice that will provide an audible or visible indication if the piping and dispensing devices are not liquid tight Replace with device that will either restrict the flow of product to the dispenser or shut-off the flow of product to

indicate if the piping and dispensing devices are liquid tightThe explanation attempts to explain the federal underground storage tank regulations however the

regulation that provides for an audible or visible alarm relates to overfill prevention in federal regulations not leakdetectionThe regulations on leak detection for pressurized piping in the explanation are correct but if youll note nowhere in the

explanation is audible or visual alarms mentioned

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Report on Comments ndash June 2011 NFPA 30A_______________________________________________________________________________________________30A- Log 8

_______________________________________________________________________________________________Robert Bourke Northeastern Regional Fire Code Development Committee

30A-42Revise to read 623 Fuel-dispensing systems including dispensers hoses nozzleshelliphelliphellip

blended motor fuels shall be listed or approved for the specific purposeThis requirement should only be stating that the equipment is listed for the specific purpose

ldquoApprovedrdquo by definition means ldquoacceptable to the AHJrdquoToo often a Standard may misuse the word ldquoapprovedrdquo in order to not exclude other listing organizations that publish

its list in a document that they refer to as an ldquoApproval Guiderdquo Regardless the document is still a listing

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Report on Comments ndash June 2011 NFPA 30A_______________________________________________________________________________________________30A- Log 3

_______________________________________________________________________________________________David B Wechsler The Dow Chemical Company

30A-34Revise and add new sentences shown under 831 and A831 and modify Table 831 as

indicated831 Table 831 shall be used to delineate and classify areas for the purposes of installing electrical wiring and

electrical utilization equipment (See also Figure 831) WARNING The US National Electrical Code has differentequipment and installation requirements from other International Standards Therefore for example equipment used inEurope may not be acceptable for installation in the USA831 The designation and decision installation and use of electrical equipment for Classes and Divisions in

hazardous (classified) locations are defined Article 500 501 and 504 of NFPA 70 National Electrical Code Thedesignation and design installation and use of electrical equipment for Classes and Zones in hazardous (classified)locations are defined in Article 505 and 504 of NFPA 70 National Electrical Code The designation and designinstallation and use of electrical equipment in lsquoZonesrsquo Zone 0 Zone 1 and Zone 2 are addressed in other internationalstandardsWithin Table 831 add a new column titled ldquoZones and copy the information from the Class I Zone column into this

new columnAlternatively to all of the above remove the ldquoZonesrdquo column completely from Table 831

While the stated intent of this proposal is understood as being to try and deal with the internationalnature of applying NFPA 30A there are problems with the approach presented by a simple extraction from the NECFirst as presented the new column only addresses the US Zone methodology The US Zone methodology for

flammable vapor gases liquids and combustible vapors and liquids is identified by the terms lsquoClass I Zone 0rsquo lsquoClass IZone 1rsquo and lsquoClass I Zone 2rsquo However under the IEC or ATEX (aka Europe International) the terms are simply lsquoZone0rsquo lsquoZone 1rsquo or lsquoZone 2rsquo Therefore the table revision is not correct for international useSecond this TIA and proposal was to lsquoincorporate the (European) Zone System of designating hazardous (classified)

locations and the allowable wiring methods and electrical utilization devices that can be used in themrsquo However the USNEC is not an international code Thus while the US NEC Article 505 does permit the use of the Class I Zonemethodology adding this column in NFPA 30A does not address the more complex nature of the design and installationproblems associated with Zone certified equipment in the US The NEC under Article 5059 Equipment provides for theuse of only AEx equipment as may be seen for example under paragraph ldquo(2) Zone Equipment Equipment meeting oneor more of the protection techniques described in 5058 shall be marked with all of the following in the order shown(1) Class(2) Zone(3) Symbol ldquoAExrdquo(4) Protection technique(s) in accordance with Table 5059(C)(2)(4)(5) Applicable gas classification group(s) in accordance with Table 9(C)(1)(2)Without adding additional text usersinspectors etc may think using Zones is just like using the Division methodology

This is not true and equipment not otherwise permitted under the US NEC may be installed because of the impliedactions currently reflected in this proposal This is a significant issue

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Report on Comments ndash June 2011 NFPA 30A_______________________________________________________________________________________________30A- Log 9

_______________________________________________________________________________________________Donald R Offerdahl North Dakota State Electrical Board

30A-36Insert figure for 831(B)

Insert Artwork Figure 831(A) and 831(B) Here

Proposal 30A-36 should have been accepted in principal these types of storage tanks and dispensersare widely used in farms construction sites and business fleet operations

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Report on Comments ndash June 2011 NFPA 30A_______________________________________________________________________________________________30A- Log 5

_______________________________________________________________________________________________Mindy Wang Ampco Safety Tools

30A-39Not proposing new text Please see comment in Substantiation

Although procedures for cleanup of spills is not within the scope of NFPA 30A we feel compelled toaddress API 2214 referenced by the Committee Information presented below shows API 2214 is misleading andundermines safe work practices In fact API 2214 conflicts with OSHA regulations Accredited Standards Developerrsquosstandards and safe work practices FM Approvals LLC formerly Factory Mutual Research Corporation (FM) is an international organization recognized

by the US government as a Nationally Recognized Testing Laboratory (NRTL) for scientific research and productcertification Product approval from a NRTL assures that products meet consensus-based standards of safety to providethe assurance required by OSHA that these products are safe for use in the United States workplace FM ApprovalStandard 7910 Spark Resistant Tools is used as guidance to evaluate tools intended for use in environments wherethere is a risk of ignition of flammable materials dusts or vapors resulting from sparks created by iron and steel handtools These tools prevent the ignition of flammable materials dusts or vapors by mechanical sparks created by the useof iron and steel hand tools slipping or striking a surface American Petroleum Institute (API) Publication 2214contradicts NRTL research and product certification as evidence in FM Approvals granted for spark resistance toolsFM has conducted tests of Ampco Safety Tools as covered in Report Job Identification No IN4A0AF in accordancewith the requirements of Safety Tools Approval Test Procedure Class 7910 and test results show

Sparks created from steel plates ignited carbon disulfide saturated pads eight of eight tests ethyl ether pads fiveof eight tests and naphtha VMampP four of eight tests

No sparks were observed and no ignition of the flammable liquids mentioned above from approved Ampco SafetyTools Other investigations also contradict APIrsquos conclusion on non-sparking tools A paper published in the Fire Protection

Journal ldquoThe Danger of Incendive Sparksrdquo stated that after APIrsquos conclusion on ldquonon-sparkingrdquo tools Institute ofPetroleum sought the advice of the Fire Research Board Committee on Industrial Fires and Explosion This committeecame to certain conclusions one of which was ldquoUntilhellipevidence is obtained to show that the impact of steel hand toolson steel is safe it is advisable to use non-sparking tools in situations where flammable atmospheres are unavoidablerdquo The NFPA Fire Protection Handbook 20th edition published in January 2008 does not support the conclusion that

API 2214 represents In fact many NFPA codes the use of ldquonon-sparkingrdquo tools in flammable atmospheresAccording to NFPA Fire Protection Handbook ldquoWhen flammable and combustible liquids are stored or handled theliquid is usually exposed to the air at some stage in the operation except where the storage is confined to sealedcontainers that are not filled or opened on the premises or where handling is in closed systems and vapor losses arerecovered Even when the storage or handling is in a closed system there is always the possibility of breaks or leakswhich permit the liquid to escape It is a to eliminate sources of ignition in places where low flashpointflammable liquids are stored handled or used even though no vapor may ordinarily be presentrdquo NFPA 921 Guide for Fire and Explosion Investigations 2008 Edition Chapter 5 Basic Fire Science Table 5711

Reported Burning and Sparking Temperature of Selected Ignition Sources under Mechanical Sparks lists a Steel tooltemperature at 2550degF When working with flammable gases liquids or vapors a potential hazard arises because of thepossibility that sparks produced by steel or iron tools can become an ignition source OSHA Flammable and Combustible Liquids regulation 29 CFR Parts 1910106(b) on tank storage paragraph

1910106(b)(6) states that precaution shall be taken to eliminate or control sources of ignitions including frictional heatand mechanical sparks to prevent the ignition of flammable vapors In OSHA regulation 29 CFR 1910146 Permit-Required Confined Spaces Appendix D Confined Space Pre-Entry

Check List non-sparking tool is listed as one type of entry equipment OSHA 29 CFR 1910146 StandardInterpretations Interpretative guidance and equipment approved for hazardous locations relative to the Permit-RequiredConfined Spaces states that ldquohellipthe standard does not prohibit entry into a permit space where a hazardous flammableatmosphere is at or above the 10 LFL For concentrations at or above 10 LFL paragraph (d) would theemployer to incorporate safe work procedures to address the flammableexplosive hazard (such as equipment approvedfor hazardous locations) in the entry plan for those spaces Electrical equipment as well as other sources of ignition(non-sparking hand tools) be considered and addressed for the hazardous atmosphererdquo OSHA regulation 29 CFR Parts 1910120 Hazardous waste operations and emergency response paragraph

1910120(j)(2)(v) requires that ldquoWhen there is a reasonable possibility of flammable atmospheres being present

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Report on Comments ndash June 2011 NFPA 30Amaterial handling equipment and hand tools shall be of the type to prevent sources of ignition EPA has identifiedsolvents such as xylene acetone ethyl acetate ethyl benzene and ethyl ether commonly used in all industries (theF-list) and discarded commercial chemical products such as acetone benzene ethyl ether and xylene (the P-list andU-list) as ignitable hazardous wastes API members such as ExxonMobil and Chevron as well as others in the petroleum industry such as Valero CITGO

Petroleum Corporation Chem-Supply Pty Ltd Irving Oil Ltd Petrol Star Inc Nova Chemicals and El Paso Corporationregularly the use of ldquonon-sparkingrdquo tools under Accidental Release Measures and Handling and Storage sectionsin the MSDSrsquos for their petroleum products These companies clearly recognize the need for ldquonon-sparkingrdquo tools inworking with and around flammable materials API 2214 Section 12 Background ldquohellipthese engineers pointed out that although numerous opportunities existed for

the production of sparks from violent contact of steel objects with other steel objects there was a negligible record offires resulting from such a causerdquo On the contrary there are a number of documented incidents involving flammablevapors ignited by steel sparks from tools A few examples are as follows

OSHA inspection 300965795 an employee in the process of cleaning loose material from drill piping with ametal hammer While striking the pipe with a hammer an explosion occurred Employee was killed in the explosion onsite

OSHA inspection 2272953 two employees were assigned the job of tending a 100 gallon (water jacket) reactorkettle of methyl methacrylate in the mixing room Employee 1 used a metal wrench (visegrips) to pry open the cover ofa kettle The wrench handle struck the angle iron support for the agitator motor producing a spark Employee 2noticed the spark which was immediately followed by a massive ldquofire ballrdquo Both employees were engulfed in thefireball Employee 3 came to the area to assist the other employees The investigation states that non-sparking toolswere not provided for the employees All three employees received first and second degree burns on their face armsand abdomen Employee 2 also received some third degree burns All three employees were hospitalized

OSHA inspection 124728437 Employee 1 and a coworker both maintenance mechanics were working in a 30inch by 36 inch manhole at a gas station Employee 1 was trying to change a fuel pump while the coworker watchedfrom outside the manhole Employee 1 was using an Allen wrench to loosen the bolts on the fuel pump lead when hecreated a spark that ignited the gas fumes in the manhole causing an explosion Employee 1 suffered burns to hisface hands arms and legs in the explosion and was hospitalized

OSHA inspection 111109237 Employee 1 or 3 attempted to cut a metal pipe with a metal saw whileEmployee 2 was standing on top of one of two 5000 gallon gas tanks trying to remove a tank fitting Sparks from thesaw the pipe wrench or another unknown source ignited the gas vapors which exploded Employees 1 and 3 werekilled of burns at the scene Employee 2 died at the burn center as a result of burns sustained in the explosion

OSHA inspection 102826625 Employee 1 worked for a company that cleans paints and replaces valves in LPand MAPP gas cylinders Before removing an old valve Employee 1 would open the valve to let the residual gas leakout on the loading dock Where there was a large quantity of cylinders Employee 1 would invert the cylinder so theresidual gas could vent faster Employee 1 had an accumulation of a gas and air mixture around his work area Thevapors were ignited either by a spark from the metal screwdriver he was using to open a damaged valve or by an openflame burner approximately 40 feet away There was a fire and explosion The employee sustained 2nd and 3rd degreeburns on the lower half of his body and was hospitalized

OSHA inspection 607366 an employee was sawing an airplane wing into sections with a portable powered handsaw the saw created a spark that caused an explosion of gasoline vapors in the wing fuel tank Employee 1 killed andEmployee 2 injured in explosion and was hospitalized

OSHA inspection 309178523 employer was cited for violating Section 5(a)(1) of the Occupational Safety andHealth Act of 1970 often referred to as the General Duty Clause which requires employers to furnish to each of hisemployees employment and a place of employment which are free from recognized hazards that are causing or arelikely to cause death or serious physical harm to his employees for exposing employee to an explosion hazard byopening the hydrogen tube trailer main valve without using non-sparking tools

OSHA inspection 304994304 employer was cited for violating Section 5(a)(1) of the Occupational Safety andHealth Act of 1970 violation for exposing employee to a fireexplosion hazard while performing maintenance operationson LP gas tanks with ferrous tools One feasible and acceptable abatement method to correct this hazard is toimplement the use of non- sparking toolsThe Report of the BP US Refineries independent Safety Review Panel also known as the Baker Panel Report states

that ldquoPreventing process accidents requires vigilance The passing of time without a process accident is not necessarilyan indicator that all is well and may contribute to a dangerous and growing sense of complacencyrdquo This sample ofOSHA documented events illustrates accidents do happen when proper safety measures are not taken againstmechanical sparks from steel tools as a possible ignition sourceHaving said that we appreciate the Committeersquos time and agree with the Committee that procedures for cleanup of

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Report on Comments ndash June 2011 NFPA 30Aspills is not within the scope of NFPA 30A

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Report on Comments ndash June 2011 NFPA 30A_______________________________________________________________________________________________30A- Log 7

_______________________________________________________________________________________________Robert Bourke Northeastern Regional Fire Code Development Committee

30A-19Add a new section to read 11721 Where approved by the Authority Having Jurisdiction piers

that extend more than 152 m (500 ft) in travel distance from shore shall be permitted to provide a Class I standpipe thatis installed in accordance with NFPA 14 Standard for the Installation of Standpipe and Hose Systems

The TC missed the point in the substantiation of the proposalIt was not the intent of the proposal to obtain additional flexibility of FD use over that which is provided by a Class III

standpipe system The intent of the proposal was to provide relief from the requirement where the local AHJ feels thatthe effectiveness and likelihood of occupant use of fire hoses does not justify the added risk to the occupant or theinstallation and maintenance costs associated with the requisite hose for a Class III system A Class I system would stillprovide FD fire fighting capabilities in jurisdictions where the AHJ prefers occupants to evacuate and not attempt to fightfires beyond portable fire extinguisher capability

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From Benedetti BobTo bcotnerswriorgCc Harrington Greg Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiBcc May PaulSubject Inquiry NFPA 30 amp NFPA 30ADate Thursday July 08 2010 121900 PM

Good Morning Mr Cotner Greg Harrington asked that I respond to your question about the proper use ofintermediate bulk containers Actually an intermediate bulk container is a shipping vessel that must meetrequirements and specifications of the U S Department of Transportation for shippingmaterials from Point A to Point B It is not intended to be a storage vessel althoughthe liquid contained is obviously dispensed from the vessel for use Dispensing of motor fuels is covered by NFPA 30A Code for Motor Fuel DispensingFacilities and Repair Garages NFPA 30A states in Subsection 421 421 Liquids shall be stored in the following(1) Approved closed containers that do not exceed 227 L (60 gal) capacity and arelocated outside buildings(2) Tanks or approved closed containers located inside motor fuel dispensingfacilities or repair garages(3) Aboveground tanks underground tanks and containers in accordance with therequirements of Section 43(4) Tanks supplying marine service stations in accordance with Section 112 Section 43 states the following 432 Aboveground Storage Tanks Except as modified by the provisions of thissubsection aboveground storage tanks shall meet all applicable requirements ofChapters 21 through 23 and 27 of NFPA 30 Flammable and Combustible Liquids Code So in accordance with NFPA 30A Subsection 421(3) indicates that abovegroundstorage of motor fuel must be in a tank that meets the provisions of Section 43 Thelatter in turn references the Chapters in NFPA 30 that deal with fixed storage tanks Nowhere in these chapters is there any reference to an intermediate bulk container Chapter 9 of NFPA 30 does recognize an intermediate bulk container for warehouse-type storage of Class I flammable liquids but does not anticipate continual dispensingand use One could evaluate an intermediate bulk container as a means of long-term storageand dispensing of liquids under the Equivalency clause My opinion is that an intermediate bulk container is not considered a substitute for anaboveground storage tank but this is not specifically stated in the relevant codes This issue will be added to the agendas for the Technical Committees involved Please understand that this response is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 ofNFPArsquos Regulations Governing Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon todefinitively determine compliance with any laws ordinances rules or regulations Todetermine legal compliance you should refer to the appropriate authority havingjurisdiction or seek legal advice It is not intended nor should it be relied upon toprovide professional consultation or services To determine the adequacy or safety ofany device or installation you should consult with an appropriate professional

bbenedetti
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I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write Iwill be happy to assist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant toNFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does notnecessarily represent the official position of the NFPA or its Technical Committees Inaddition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it be relied upon to provideprofessional consultation or services cc 30IFI 30AIFI AUVNM FLCSWCNM FLCTANNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

If you have a reported fire in your home the risk of dyingdecreases by about 80 percent when sprinklers are present

wwwfiresprinklerinitiativeorgNotice The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intendedfor the exclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential andor privileged information If you arenot the intended recipient please notify Robert Benedetti immediately by replying to the message or by calling(617) 984-7433 Please delete this message and any attachments from your system Thank you

From Harrington Greg Sent Wednesday July 07 2010 350 PMTo Benedetti BobSubject FW Intermediate Bulk Containers Hi Bob Can you answer the question below Hersquos a friend of mine former inspector with San Antonio FD when Iworked down there now a safety guy at SWRI Thanks a lot --Greg

From Bill Cotner [mailtobcotnerswriorg] Sent Wednesday July 07 2010 332 PMTo Harrington GregSubject Intermediate Bulk Containers Hey Greg howrsquos the heat in Boston here it is a balmy 93 enjoying it I have a question probably out ofyour area but Irsquom sure you know who to route it to We have a group here that wants to dispense fuelfrom a stainless steel IBC into test engines I donrsquot think that is the intended use or what it has beenlisted for Can I get some guidance on this issue I appreciate anything you can do for me Bill Bill CotnerSenior Fire SpecialistEnvironmental Safety and Quality SystemsSouthwest Research InstitutePhone (210) 522-5101Fax (210) 522-5093Mobile (210) 669-7005Email bcotner swriorg

From Benedetti BobTo Ebanks DesmondCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiBcc May PaulSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Monday June 14 2010 35400 PM

Good afternoon Mr Ebanks The intent of Subsection 422 of NFPA 30A Code for Motor Fuel Dispensing Facilities and RepairGarages is that there be no direct piped connection between the aboveground storage tank inthe bulk plant and the fuel dispensing device in the motor fuel dispensing facility In my opinionthis includes any intervening underground storage tank The hazard being addressed is the potential to overfill the underground storage tank due to thestatic head of the liquid in the aboveground storage tank Please understand that this response is a personal opinion and does not constitute a FormalInterpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 of NFPArsquos RegulationsGoverning Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitively determine compliancewith any laws ordinances rules or regulations To determine legal compliance you shouldrefer to the appropriate authority having jurisdiction or seek legal advice It is not intended norshould it be relied upon to provide professional consultation or services To determine theadequacy or safety of any device or installation you should consult with an appropriateprofessional I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will behappy to assist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPARegulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarilyrepresent the official position of the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition thiscorrespondence is neither intended nor should it be relied upon to provide professional consultation orservices cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg Attend the premier event for fire life safety and electrical professionals

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From Ebanks Desmond [mailtoDesmondEbanksgovky] Sent Monday May 24 2010 940 AMTo Benedetti BobSubject bulk storage supply to motor fuel facilities Hi Bob NFPA 30A (2003) 422 gives to positions in relation to motor fuel dispensing facilities (mfdf) that I would like to havefurther clarified for Code intent please The first is that dispensing devices at the mfdf shall not be supplied by ASTs located in the bulk plant Does this implythat supply from a UST (underground storage tank) in the bulk storage facility would be acceptable or to the other extentthat even if the bulk AST supplied a loading rack which in turn supplied a UST both in the bulk facility that supplyfrom the bulk AST is still not permitted The second statement refers to any storage tank at the mfdf saying they shall not be connected by piping to bulkfacility ASTs Similarly does this imply that a UST (underground storage tank) in the bulk storage facility would beacceptable or that if the bulk tank was connected to a loading rack and the loading rack connected by non-permanentmeans to an mfdf tank that this would be permissible RegardsDes EbanksAssistant Petroleum InspectorThe Petroleum InspectorateCayman Islands GovernmentAnderson Square 4th floorPO Box 31213Grand CaymanKY1-1205Cayman IslandsOffice 345 244 3458Mobile 345 925 3317Fax 345 949 0920Email desmondebanksgovky

From Benedetti BobTo Shriniwas BodhankarCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiBcc May PaulSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Monday June 14 2010 50100 PM

Good day Sir There has been no discussion by the Technical Committee on Automotive and Marine ServiceStations to alter the separation distances in Table 4324 of NFPA 30A Code for Motor FuelDispensing Facilities and Repair Garages as they pertain to liquid fuels including high flashpoint diesel fuels Also there have been no proposals to make such a change to NFPA 30A I trust this answers your question R P Benedetti cc -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

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From Shriniwas Bodhankar [mailtobodhankarenoccom] Sent Tuesday June 01 2010 536 AMTo Maynard Mary Benedetti BobSubject NFPA 30 A Dear sir Reference is made to table no 4324 of NFPA code 30A specifying the minimum distance between storagetanks and dispensing equipment A dispenser should be placed minimum 50 feet away from a bunded abovegroundsteel tank to meet this requirementIn our opinion this is too stringent and uncalled for in case of high flash diesel ( Flash point above 65 degreecentigrade) A bunded tank where spill can be contained within bund is as safe as a vaulted tankfire resistanttankprotected tank Therefore it is equally safe to install an approved dispensing device immediately outside thebund provided the vent of the tank is 4 meters above the grade level on which the dispensing device is installedVarious international oil companies like SHELL amp BP carry similar installations for their fleet customers of dieselMoreover there are standard skids being marketed in EUROPE (even for gasoline) which have storage tanks and

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dispensers on same skid and such an arrangement is accepted by ldquoAuthority Having Jurisdictionrdquo(AHJ)Kindly advise if this standard requirement is being reviewed or otherwise if based on performance based designsuch a requirement may be waived or considered as ldquo highly recommendedrdquo in the leastBased on your feedback we wish to discuss this with AHJ in UAE Regards Regards Shriniwas BodhankarSenior EHS Compliance Officer( Special Projects)Group EHSQ Compliance DepartmentEmirates National Oil Company Limited (ENOC) LLC ENOC House I PO Box 6442Dubai United Arab EmiratesDirect +971 4 313 4437Fax +971 4 313 4482bodhankarenoccom | wwwenoccom

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From Benedetti BobTo EActonccfireusCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiBcc May PaulSubject Inquiry NFPA 30A amp NFPA 30Date Monday August 02 2010 44400 PMAttachments DSC06169JPG

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Good day Mr Acton Fire protection provisions for major and minor repair garages and ldquolube-onlyrdquofacilities which is the topic of your concern are provided in NFPA 30A Code for MotorFuel Dispensing Facilities and Repair Garages currently 2008 edition Chapter 5 ofNFPA 30A covers piping systems but its specific provisions focus on piping systemsbetween fuel storage tanks and fuel dispensers Chapter 5 also directly referencesChapter 27 of the 2008 edition of NFPA 30 Flammable and Combustible Liquids Code(successor to Chapter 5 of the 2003 edition) Subsection 527 of NFPA 30A allows piping made from low-melting point materials tobe installed in exposed areas but only in specific locations These are limited tocontainment sumps under dispensers containment sumps for underground fuelstorage tanks and sumps for below-grade piping connections Chapter 5 of NFPA 30Ais silent on piping inside buildings Therefore the user is left with the provisions ofChapter 27 of NFPA 30 NFPA 30 in turn does allow piping fabricated of low melting point materials to beused exposed outdoors or inside buildings with the following provisions ldquo27441 Such materials shall be permitted to be used outdoors above ground orinside buildings provided they meet one of the following conditions (1) They are resistant to damage by fire(2) They are located so that any leakage resulting from failure will not exposepersons important buildings or structures(3) They are located where leakage can be controlled by operation of one or moreaccessible remotely located valvesrdquo Regardless of the material of construction of the piping and components the followinggeneral requirement from Chapter 27 of NFPA 30 always applies ldquo273 General Requirements2731 Performance Standards The design fabrication assembly test and inspectionof piping systems shall be suitable for the working pressures and structural stresses tobe encountered by the piping system Compliance with applicable sections of ASMEB31 Code for Pressure Piping and the provisions of this chapter shall be consideredprima facie evidence of compliance with the foregoing provisions2732 Tightness of Piping Piping systems shall be maintained liquidtight A pipingsystem that has leaks that constitute a hazard shall be emptied of liquid or repaired ina manner acceptable to the authority having jurisdictionrdquo Your interpretation of Subsection 511 of the 2003 edition of NFPA 30 (2711 in the2008 edition) is correct the chapter applies to any piping system that handles aflammable or combustible liquid regardless of pressure Likewise you are correct thatthe piping system must meet the provisions of ASME B31 for the material chosen andthe anticipated operating pressures and temperatures (531 in the 2003 edition 2741 in the 2008 edition) However low melting point materials (aluminum copperbrass and polymeric materials) are allowed under the provisions of Subsection 534(2003 edition) and 2744 (2008 edition) What must be determined is does thepiping system comply with one of the conditions stated in 27441 as stated above

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Please understand that this response is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 ofNFPArsquos Regulations Governing Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon todefinitively determine compliance with any laws ordinances rules or regulations Todetermine legal compliance you should refer to the appropriate authority havingjurisdiction or seek legal advice It is not intended nor should it be relied upon toprovide professional consultation or services To determine the adequacy or safety ofany device or installation you should consult with an appropriate professional I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write Iwill be happy to assist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant toNFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does notnecessarily represent the official position of the NFPA or its Technical Committees Inaddition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it be relied upon to provideprofessional consultation or services cc 30IFI 30AIFI AUVNM FLCTANNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

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From Eric Acton [mailtoEActonccfireus] Sent Monday July 19 2010 636 PMTo Benedetti BobSubject InterpretationOpinion request

Good day My name is Eric Acton I am the Fire Marshal for Campbell CountyWyoming and Irsquom employed by Campbell County Fire Department My NFPA

membership number is 2755369 My mailing and email addresses are listed below I am in need of a technical opinion regarding 2003 NFPA 30 Chapter 5 or morecurrently 2008 NFPA 30A Chapter 5 Some brief project backgroundAn owner within my jurisdiction has built a commercial lube-oil center to servicecustomersrsquo vehicles A ldquopitrdquo exists below the service bay to allow workers to drainthe oil from the vehicle then workers on the main floor refill the oil by use ofpressurized nozzles Several motor oil storage tanks are located in the pitaccounting for several brands and viscosities of oil The tanks are designed to befilled by use of a piping system which extends from an exterior connection vault toeach of the storage tanks using gravity to move the product in the fill-pipingsystem The material the owner chose to construct the fill-piping system wasldquostandardrdquo 1-12rdquo Schedule 40 PVC and Parker Series 7094 Electrically Non-Conductive rubber hose The piping system is exposed it is not underground nor isit protected from flame by means of a fire-rated chase Having identified the use of combustible liquids in this occupancy I utilized 2006International Fire Code (as adopted by my jurisdiction) Chapter 34 Flammable andCombustible Liquids to review and inspect the project IFC Section 340362referred me to NFPA 30 Chapter 5 for the construction materials to use where Iinterpreted (2003 version) 30511 to mean that the piping system components (pipetubing flanges bolting gaskets valves fittingshellip) must meet the requirementsregardless of pressure And that the following components specified in theparagraph must meet the requirements ONLY if they contained pressure ndashhelliprdquoexpansion joints and strainers and devices such thathelliprdquo I further interpreted(2003 version) 30531 Material Specifications similarly in that the ldquoPipe valvesfaucets couplingshelliprdquo must meet the requirements regardless of pressure while ldquohellipother pressure-containing partshelliprdquo meant ONLY the other parts that containedpressure Verbatim to 30511 is encountered in 2008 NFPA 30A Chapter 5paragraph 51 Scope The owner states his piping complies with the standard cited because it is gravity-fed hence no ldquopressurerdquo is seen by the piping components I maintain that thepiping system shall consist of metal pipe (or another material meeting therequirements of ASME B31 as allowed by 2003 NFPA 30531) to comply with NFPA30 and IFC Some assistance to resolve this problem is greatly appreciated I have attachedsome photographs for clarification Thanks for your attentionEric

Eric ActonFire MarshalCampbell County Fire Department 106 Rohan Avenue Gillette WY 82716 (307) 682-5319 ext 8912(307) 686-2222 Fax(307) 680-9612 Cell

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From Benedetti BobTo Howard Jim (Woodbridge)Cc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiBcc May PaulSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Monday June 28 2010 115100 AM

Good morning Mr Howard First I appreciate your patience with me while I reviewed the information sent to meby yourself and Mr Luby of Veeder-Root I wanted to ensure that I thoroughlyunderstood how the system functions in its line leak detection mode My understanding of the arrangement of the piping system from the pair ofunderground storage tanks is that the electronic line leak detector the PLLD tests thesupply piping from the two submersible pumps to the dispensers as a single system This includes the direct piping run from the master pump to the dispensers AND thepiping that connects the slave pump to the direct piping run The intent of Subsection 642 of the 2008 edition of NFPA 30A Code for Motor FuelDispensing Facilities and Repair Garages is to ensure that some type of leak detectiondevice monitors the piping from the submersible pump to the dispensers in such amanner that a leak in the piping leading to the dispensers or in the dispensersthemselves is detected and notification of a leak given Since the two pumps act intandem and since the entire piping system from the pumps to the dispensers ismonitored my personal opinion is that the intent of Subsection 642 is met andevaluation of the system described as being equivalent to what is required bySubsection 642 is reasonable Whether the system described meets the criteria of Section 15 Equivalency of NFPA30A must be determined by the authority having jurisdiction As NFPA Staff Liaison forNFPA 30A I cannot make such a determination under NFPArsquos Regulations GoverningCommittee Projects Please understand that this response is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 ofNFPArsquos Regulations Governing Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon todefinitively determine compliance with any laws ordinances rules or regulations Todetermine legal compliance you should refer to the appropriate authority havingjurisdiction or seek legal advice It is not intended nor should it be relied upon toprovide professional consultation or services To determine the adequacy or safety ofany device or installation you should consult with an appropriate professional I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write Iwill be happy to assist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant toNFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does notnecessarily represent the official position of the NFPA or its Technical Committees Inaddition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it be relied upon to provideprofessional consultation or services cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids Engineer

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National Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

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From Howard Jim (Woodbridge) [mailtoJHowardhesscom] Sent Monday June 14 2010 1144 AMTo Benedetti BobCc Howard Jim (Woodbridge) Bob Luby Subject Importance High Bob It was a pleasure talking to you this morning regarding the Line Leak Detection applicationin place at Hess Station 08501 - Milltown DE (drawing attached) as well as several thousandlocations worldwide Here is some background information on this installation

Site had 3 - 10000 gallon gasoline tanks 1 - 10000 Regular (87) 1 - 10000 Plus (89) 1 - 10000 Premium (93) prior to our Dispenser Replacement Project Because of theoverwhelming demand for Regular gasoline (887 in 2009) we converted the existingPlus tank to additional Regular storageDispensers were replaced with new Blend Dispensers Tanks were not manifoldedRegular and former-Plus product lines were manifolded at each dispenserWe installed Veeder-Root PLLDs (Electronic Line Leak Detectors) on the Regular 1and Premium STPs We installed a non-vented Swift Check on Regular 2 (formerPlus) STP Because the PLLD is vented we MUST install a non-vented swift check onRegular STP 2 in order to test the system as a wholeWe have demonstrated via post-construction testing that the system will pick up a 3gph leak

The State of DE has questioned our compliance with NFPA 30A 642 Each pump shallhave installed on the discharge side a listed leak detection device that will provide an audibleor visible indication if the piping or a dispenser is leaking Each leak-detecting device shallbe checked and tested at least annually according to the manufacturers specifications toensure proper installation and operation

Can you comment on whether the system shown on the attached and described above and onour call meets the NFPA requirement or if it meets the definition of Equivalency as definedin Chapter 15 - Equivalency Thank you in advance for your consideration in this matter Please do not hesitate to contactme if there are any questions or concerns on this application ThanksJim Howard RFMPManager Maintenance amp UST ComplianceHess Corporation732-750-6220 (office)800-903-4801 (Emergency Hotline)E-mail UST Inspections to USTCompliancehesscomFax UST Inspections to 866-435-6744

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From Benedetti BobTo Gary KostalCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiBcc May PaulSubject Inquiry NFPA 30 NFPA 30ADate Tuesday August 10 2010 43200 PM

Good afternoon Mr Kostal There are no provisions in NFPA 30 Flammable and Combustible Liquids Code togovern dispensing of motor fuels into motorized equipment and the devices youdescribe are not mentioned at all in NFPA 30 or in the only other related NFPAdocument that might apply NFPA 30A Code for Motor Fuel Dispensing Facilities andRepair Garages I cannot say that these units are either allowed or disallowed because neither NFPA30 nor NFPA 30A speaks about them The only provisions that might apply are the quantity limitations established in thesetwo codes depending on which code applies If the maintenance building is considered an industrial occupancy then Chapter 9 ofNFPA 30 establishes a maximum allowable quantity for of 120 gallons for Class Iliquids (The maximum allowable quantity is actually a threshold value Up to theMAQ compliance with NFPA 30 is not required above it NFPA 30 applies) If the maintenance building is considered a repair garage then NFPA 30A takesprecedence It also sets a 120 gallon limit on the maximum quantity of Class I liquid In both cases the quantity of fuel involved is 50 percent of the maximum allowed Myopinion is that there is no violation of either NFPA 30 or NFPA 30A Please understand that this response is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 ofNFPArsquos Regulations Governing Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon todefinitively determine compliance with any laws ordinances rules or regulations Todetermine legal compliance you should refer to the appropriate authority havingjurisdiction or seek legal advice It is not intended nor should it be relied upon toprovide professional consultation or services To determine the adequacy or safety ofany device or installation you should consult with an appropriate professional I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write Iwill be happy to assist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant toNFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does notnecessarily represent the official position of the NFPA or its Technical Committees Inaddition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it be relied upon to provideprofessional consultation or services cc 30IFI 30AIFI-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch Park

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Quincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg Important Notice This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPA RegulationsAny opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarily represent the officialposition of the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition this correspondence is neither intended norshould it be relied upon to provide professional consultation or services

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From Gary Kostal [mailtogarykbloomingdalefirecom] Sent Monday August 09 2010 328 PMTo Benedetti BobSubject Looking for assistance - portable gas caddies Membership 2329840 Gary KostalFire Prevention DirectorBloomingdale Fire District Question (Non-formal opinion) I have a country club where they service a very large number of lawn maintenance equipment on a dailybasis They are utilizing a portable gas container (gas caddy) that holds approximately 30 gallons ofgasoline The unit is equipped with a hand style pump which is located on the top of the tank Fuel isdispensed from this tank as you crank the pump There are no nozzles located on the hose These gascaddies are being used inside their maintenance building which is fully fire sprinkled They are presentlyusing two of these devices inside the same building which is basically one days use

My question is are these devices allowed for this type of dispensing Are they required to be equippedwith a self closing nozzle What NFPA sections would apply to this particular type of device Thank you for your assistance in this matter

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From Benedetti BobTo SheldonSchallWisconsingovCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Wednesday September 30 2009 45929 PM

Good afternoon Sheldon I will here provide more detailed answers to your questions as posed in the email you sent to me today Section 30A-4323 limits tank storage capacity for Class I and II No limit for Class IIIA or IIIB

You are correct The intent of 4323 is to limit the capacities only of those tanks that storeClass I and II liquids Recall that when NFPA 30A initially allowed aboveground storage tanks atvehicle fueling sites biofuels were not in the picture just gasoline (Class I) and diesel fuel (ClassII) The Technical Committee at the time did not conceive that there would be the need to storeClass III fuels because there werenrsquot any The bottom line NFPA 30A does not limit the capacityof an aboveground storage tank that holds a motor fuel that is a Class III liquid

Section 30A-4324 refers to setbacks in Table 4324 No indication that these setbacks are specific toor exclude any class of flammable or combustible so it appears that the setbacks apply to Class I -Class IIIB liquids This table appears to conflict with the previous section for Class IIIA amp IIIB liquids

This is again correct that the separation distances in Table 4324 are not specific to anyparticular Class of liquid There is no conflict however 4323 deals with tank capacities 4324 deals with separation distances for the tanks Since 4324 does not specify anyparticular liquid class(es) it applies to ALL liquid classes

Section 30A-4325 allows an increased capacity for Class II and III liquids at fleet facilities Thisappears to conflict with section 4323 for Class III liquids which didnt have a capacity limit to startwith

Here there is a conflict or at least a serious inconsistency This provision was added one or twoeditions after 4323 and it appears that biofuels are beginning to be recognized It also appearsthat the intent here was to allow a relaxation of one limit in favor of a more liberal one Theproblem is the original limit doesnrsquot exist making it arguable that the application of 4325 toClass III liquids is meaningless Given the obvious intent here for some limit on Class III liquidfuels 4323 should be amended to include Class IIIs

Section 30A-4327 addresses dispensing from an aboveground tank for Class I and II liquids based uponspecific conditions

Paragraph 4322 is a hold-over dating back to when service stations were covered in Chapter 7of the old versions of NFPA 30 This set of requirements should also be amended to include ClassIIIs

Section 30A-4328 refers to NFPA 30-2171 for spill and overfill This section only applies to class Iand II liquids

While it is true that Subsection 2171 of NFPA 30 only applies to Classes I and II I do not believeit is a conflict for NFPA 30A to also apply it to Class III as well if the Technical Committee it isappropriate to do so However the language needs to be improved or an Annex item should beadded to explain the extrapolation and the reason for it

I will add this to the next meetingrsquos agenda for the Technical Committee on Automotive and MarineService Stations As usual the following applies Please understand that this response to your inquiry is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 of NFPArsquos RegulationsGoverning Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitively determine compliance with anylaws ordinances rules or regulations To determine the adequacy or safety of any device or installationyou should consult with an appropriate professional To determine legal compliance you should refer tothe appropriate authority having jurisdiction or seek legal advice

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I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will be happy toassist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarily represent the official positionof the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it berelied upon to provide professional consultation or services cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

Fire Prevention Week is October 4 ndash 10 2009 Visit wwwfirepreventionweekorg or call 800-344-3555 for moreinformation NFPA Seminars - Apply the codes with confidenceRegister at wwwnfpalearnorg NFPA Membership keeps you up-to-dateVisit wwwnfpaorgjoin for more information Or call 800-344-3555Notice The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for theexclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential andor privileged information If you are not the intendedrecipient please notify Robert Benedetti immediately by replying to the message or by calling (617) 984-7433 Please deletethis message and any attachments from your system Thank you Considering the variables in the sections referenced above are the setbacks in Table 4324 intended toapply to Class IIIA andor Class IIIB liquids for public fueling

From Schall Sheldon - COMMERCE [mailtoSheldonSchallWisconsingov] Sent Wednesday September 30 2009 832 AMTo Benedetti BobSubject NFPA 30A-4324 inquiry - URGENT Section 30A-4323 limits tank storage capacity for Class I and II No limit for Class IIIA or IIIB trueSection 30A-4324 refers to setbacks in Table 4324 No indication that these setbacks are specific toor exclude any class of flammable or combustible so it appears that the setbacks apply to Class I -Class IIIB liquids This table appears to conflict with the previous section for Class IIIA amp IIIB liquids Also trueSection 30A-4325 allows an increased capacity for Class II and III liquids at fleet facilities Thisappears to conflict with section 4323 for Class III liquids which didnt have a capacity limit to startwith Either one or the other needs to changeSection 30A-4327 addresses dispensing from an aboveground tank for Class I and II liquids based uponspecific conditions Need to cover IIIBSection 30A-4328 refers to NFPA 30-2171 for spill and overfill This section only applies to class Iand II liquids Class IIIs need to be specifically addressed Considering the variables in the sections referenced above are the setbacks in Table 4324 intended toapply to Class IIIA andor Class IIIB liquids for public fueling

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Table 4324 -13 Distance to Vehicle

From Benedetti BobTo Bill HickmanCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Monday December 14 2009 50332 PM

Good afternoon Mr Hickman To answer your question the separation distances in Table 4324 of NFPA 30A Code for MotorFuel Dispensing Facilities and Repair Garages are intended to apply to outside abovegroundstorage tanks for fuel where such is allowed The tanks inside a service station building majorrepair garage or minor repair garage would likely be handling Class IIIB liquids (flash point gt200 degF) only in accordance with Subsection 4392 of NFPA 30A Subsection 4392 does not set any specific requirements for separation between tanks inside abuilding although it does refer back to Chapters 21 through 23 of NFPA 30 Flammable andCombustible Liquids Code Shell-to-shell spacing distances for aboveground tanks areestablished in Table 22421 Table 22421 is intended for much large tanks than one wouldfind in a repair garage or ldquolube-onlyrdquo facility For example the minimum separation for tanksstoring Class IIIB liquids is 3 feet as set forth in 224212 But again the separationdistances in Chapter 22 of NFPA 30 are intended for tank farm application not for the muchsmaller tanks found in the type of occupancy governed by NFPA 30A Also any facility meeting the requirements of NFPA 30A is considered to be in compliance withNFPA 30 Please understand that this response to your inquiry is a personal opinion and does notconstitute a Formal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 ofNFPArsquos Regulations Governing Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitivelydetermine compliance with any laws ordinances rules or regulations To determine theadequacy or safety of any device or installation you should consult with an appropriateprofessional To determine legal compliance you should refer to the appropriate authorityhaving jurisdiction or seek legal advice I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will behappy to assist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPARegulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarilyrepresent the official position of the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition thiscorrespondence is neither intended nor should it be relied upon to provide professional consultation orservices cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg If you have a reported fire in your home the risk of dyingdecreases by about 80 percent when sprinklers are present

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wwwfiresprinklerinitiativeorgNotice The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for theexclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential andor privileged information If you are not the intendedrecipient please notify Robert Benedetti immediately by replying to the message or by calling (617) 984-7433 Please deletethis message and any attachments from your system Thank you

From Bill Hickman [mailtoBillHickmanstatecous] Sent Tuesday December 01 2009 939 AMTo Benedetti BobSubject Inquiry NFPA 30A - Storage of Liquids Inside Buildings Mr Benedetti Id appreciate your interpretation on an item regarding aboveground tanks storing lubricants (newused oil) inside abuilding at a repair garage NFPA 30A 439 does not include specific spacing requirements for tanks inside buildings Where there are multiple tanks being stored inside the building is there no minimum separation distance requirementthat must be met or do the requirements of Table 4324 apply Thank you in advance for your assistance __________________________________ Bill HickmanInspectorTechnical SpecialistCO Division of Oil amp Public Safety303-378-5090

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From Benedetti BobTo Peznowski EdwardCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Thursday September 03 2009 30455 PM

Hi Ed The 1996 edition of the Flammable and Combustible Liquids Code Handbook was the last one prior to thecurrent 2008 edition The commentary hasnrsquot changed My recollection of the development of this text is that the intent of NFPA 30A Code for Motor FuelDispensing Facilities and Repair Garages is to isolate the motor fuel dispensing area and its attendanthazard completely from the rest of the structure regardless of what else might be in the structure Subsection 524 assumes that the installation involves a motor fuel dispensing operation inside abuilding where you would not expect to have same such as an office building A bus repair facility wouldbe probably classed as a major repair garage and would be expected to have fueling operations Thehazard of this is in my opinion no greater than the repair operations It could be that the language in Subsection 524 needs to be clarified so that it applies only to situationssuch as I first described Please understand that this response to your inquiry is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 of NFPArsquos RegulationsGoverning Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitively determine compliance with anylaws ordinances rules or regulations To determine the adequacy or safety of any device or installationyou should consult with an appropriate professional To determine legal compliance you should refer tothe appropriate authority having jurisdiction or seek legal advice I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will be happy toassist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarily represent the official positionof the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it berelied upon to provide professional consultation or services cc 30AIFI 30AFAQ AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

Fire Prevention Week is October 4 ndash 10 2009 Visit wwwfirepreventionweekorg or call 800-344-3555 for moreinformation NFPA Seminars - Apply the codes with confidenceRegister at wwwnfpalearnorg NFPA Membership keeps you up-to-dateVisit wwwnfpaorgjoin for more information Or call 800-344-3555Notice The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for the

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exclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential andor privileged information If you are not the intendedrecipient please notify Robert Benedetti immediately by replying to the message or by calling (617) 984-7433 Please deletethis message and any attachments from your system Thank you

From Peznowski Edward [mailtoEdwardPeznowskipostatectus] Sent Monday August 31 2009 127 PMTo Benedetti BobSubject NFPA 30A Hi Bob Sorry to bother you but I need your help and interpretation of the following section of NFPA 30A 2000edition 524 - All piping inside buildings but outside the motor fuel dispensing area shall be enclosed within ahorizontal chase or a vertical shaft used only for this piping Vertical shafts and horizontal chases shall beconstructed of materials having a fire resistance rating of not less than 2 hours Bob I have a bus repair facility being built and we have fuel dispensing area within the building enclosedwith a 2hr fire resistive separation My question is I have diesel fuel piping coming from two tanks locatedoutside of the building the piping runs outside of the dispensing area does this piping need to be enclosed Ihave the proper UL listed system for through wall penetrations My problem lies here I have natural gas heating fuel oil lines for boilers and diesel fuel line for thegenerator all running through the area outside the 2 hour rated dispensing area which are not required to beenclosed My thought is within the 2 hour fire resistive construction I have storage rooms for grease and oil a office forfuel dispensing Any fuel piping running through these areas would be enclosed but once I go outside my 2hrrated enclosure the piping would not have to be enclosed NFPA 30A (1996edition)6-42 - All fuel and flammable vapor piping inside buildings but outside the service station area shall beenclosed within a horizontal chase or a vertical shaft used only for this piping Vertical shafts and horizontalchases shall be constructed of materials having a fire resistance rating of not less than 2 hoursCOMMENTARY 6-42 The intent of this requirement is to preserve the isolation of the service stationoperation from the rest of the building I donrsquot have the 2000 handbook for commentary Thanks Bob Edward J PeznowskiFire amp Life Safety SpecialistBureau of EngineeringOffice State Fire Marshal860-685-8350

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From Benedetti BobTo Hamilton James P (HOY)Cc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiSubject Inquiry NFPA 30A-2008Date Monday September 14 2009 115041 AM

Good morning Mr Hamilton The intent of this particular provision of Subsection 672 of NFPA 30A Code for Motor Fuel DispensingFacilities and Repair Garages is to ensure that the patron has access to a second disconnect if he or shecannot reach the primary disconnect ie the one that is between 20 and 100 feet from the dispenser In my opinion all of the emergency disconnects required by Section 67 must be at least 20 ft but normore than 100 ft from the nearest dispenser Please understand that this response to your inquiry is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 of NFPArsquos RegulationsGoverning Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitively determine compliance with anylaws ordinances rules or regulations To determine the adequacy or safety of any device or installationyou should consult with an appropriate professional To determine legal compliance you should refer tothe appropriate authority having jurisdiction or seek legal advice I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will be happy toassist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarily represent the official positionof the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it berelied upon to provide professional consultation or services cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

Fire Prevention Week is October 4 ndash 10 2009 Visit wwwfirepreventionweekorg or call 800-344-3555 for moreinformation NFPA Seminars - Apply the codes with confidenceRegister at wwwnfpalearnorg NFPA Membership keeps you up-to-dateVisit wwwnfpaorgjoin for more information Or call 800-344-3555Notice The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for theexclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential andor privileged information If you are not the intendedrecipient please notify Robert Benedetti immediately by replying to the message or by calling (617) 984-7433 Please deletethis message and any attachments from your system Thank you

From Hamilton James P (HOY) [mailtoHAMILTONJPbechteljacobsorg] Sent Thursday September 10 2009 1224 PMTo Benedetti BobSubject NFPA 30A 2008 Edition

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Importance High

NFPA 30A 672 states at least one additional device or disconnect shall be readily accessible toeach group of dispensing devices on an individual island Our installation does not have islands Should the second emergency shutoff be installed close to the pumps or between 20 and 100 ofthe pumps

Please respond back via email hamiltonjpbechteljacobsorg

Thanks

NFPA 127130 James P Hamilton CFPSTetraTek Inc - Fire Safety TechnologiesFire Protection LeadK-27 Pre-Demo Project 790 Emory Valley Rd 811 Oak Ridge TN 37830 ETTP Office 865-241-1902

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From Benedetti BobTo Scott DavonskiCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Tuesday August 04 2009 92429 AM

Good morning Mr Davonski My opinion is that the intent of the requirement in Subsection 1141 of NFPA 30A Code for Motor FuelDispensing Facilities and Repair Garages is that any hose longer than 18 feet should not simply bestrung along the dockrsquos surface Using a reel would be one means of securing the hose although Irsquomsure other methods such as hangers would work as well Please understand that this response to your inquiry is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 of NFPArsquos RegulationsGoverning Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitively determine compliance with anylaws ordinances rules or regulations To determine the adequacy or safety of any device or installationyou should consult with an appropriate professional To determine legal compliance you should refer tothe appropriate authority having jurisdiction or seek legal advice I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will be happy toassist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarily represent the official positionof the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it berelied upon to provide professional consultation or services cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

Fire Prevention Week is October 4 ndash 10 2009 Visit wwwfirepreventionweekorg or call 800-344-3555 for moreinformation NFPA Seminars - Apply the codes with confidenceRegister at wwwnfpalearnorg NFPA Membership keeps you up-to-dateVisit wwwnfpaorgjoin for more information Or call 800-344-3555Notice The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for theexclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential andor privileged information If you are not the intendedrecipient please notify Robert Benedetti immediately by replying to the message or by calling (617) 984-7433 Please deletethis message and any attachments from your system Thank you

From Scott Davonski [mailtodavonskiRiverheadlicom] Sent Wednesday July 22 2009 1118 AMTo Benedetti BobSubject 30A clarification

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1141 All hose shall be listed Where hose length exceeds 55 m (18 ft) the hose shall besecured so as to protect it from damage Can you provide clarification as to what is meant by ldquosecured so as to protect it fromdamagerdquo Is the standard looking not to have the hoses on the dock In a reel Any clarificationinformation would be appreciated Scott W DavonskiChief Fire MarshalTown of RiverheadP- 631-727-3200 ext 209F- 631-727-3370

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Page 6: TECHNICAL COMMITTEE ON AUTOMOTIVE and MARINE … · SUBJECT: Agenda for ROC Meeting – October 4, 2010 _____ Ladies and Gentlemen: Attached is the Agenda for the NFPA 30A Report

AUV2009-04 Minutesdoc

12 Under ldquoOther Old Businessrdquo the Technical Committee reviewed the following two issues and determined that no action was necessary

Definition of ldquoAdequate Ventilationrdquo Proper Classification of Repair Garage

13 The Technical Committee reviewed the following items of new business

Inquiry on Scope and Application of NFPA 30A The Technical Committee points out that portable equipment is not within the scope of NFPA 30A

Inconsistency Between NFPA 30A and NFPA 70 Larry Gregory agreed to propose a change to NFPA 70reg National Electrical Codereg

Area Classification for Kiosks on Islands The Technical Committee determined that no action was necessary

Potential Static Electricity Hazard During Marine Fueling The Technical Committee determined that this issue was outside its scope

An Experimental and Modeling Study of the Flammability of Fuel Tank Headspace Vapors from High Ethanol Content Fuels ndash NRELSR-540-44040 October 2008 This report was brought to the attention of the committee by Doug Horne The link to the report is httpwwwnrelgovfy09osti44040pdf

14 The Technical Committee agreed to schedule its next meeting for October 4 2010 in

Atlanta GA to be held in conjunction with the Petroleum Equipment Institutersquos convention 15 The meeting adjourned at 300 PM on January 21 2010

AUV Revised Scope Statement2010-01-06doc

TECHNICAL COMMITTEE ON AUTOMOTIVE and MARINE SERVICE STATIONS

SCOPE STATEMENT

This Committee shall have primary responsibility for documents on safeguarding against the fire and explosion hazards associated with the general storage handling and dispensing of flammable and combustible liquids and gaseous motor fuels at motor fuel dispensing facilities service stations and with related activities such as operation inspection maintenance and repair of dispensing system components and dispensing gaseous fuels This committee shall also have primary responsibility for documents on construction control of fire hazards ventilation fire protection and maintenance of repair facilities garages This committee shall not have responsibility for the dispensing of gaseous fuels at facilities where no liquid fuels are dispensed including residential occupancies ie dispensing of gaseous fuels as covered by NFPA 2 Hydrogen Technologies Code and NFPA 52 Vehicular Fuel Systems Code Responsible for NFPA 30A Code for Motor Fuel Dispensing Facilities and Repair Garages

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AUV Committee Balancedoc - 8122010

TECHNICAL COMMITTEE ON AUTOMOTIVE and MARINE SERVICE STATIONS

COMMITTEE MEMBERSHIP BALANCE SUMMARY

AUV-AAA NFPA 30A

Members 24 M 7 (29) U 5 (21) Voting Alternates 0 IM 3 (13) LC 0 Alternates 7 RT 2 (8) E 3 (13)

Non-Voting 2 I 2 (8) SE 2 (8) Emeritus 1

Task Group 0 Hold List 0 Balance OK (CNG equipment 1 dispensing nozzles 0 dispensing system components 2 fire suppression equipment 1 LNG dispensing systems 1 storage tanks 2) (fleet operators 2 independent retail 1 lube-only facilities 1 major retail 0 marine facilities 1) (fire suppression systems 1 fuel dispensing systems 1 LPG dispensing systems 1)

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MASTER SCHEDULE2011 Annual Cycledoc

2011 ANNUAL REVISION CYCLE

PROCESS STAGE PROCESS STEP

DATES FOR TC

DATES FOR TCC

COMPLETION

DATE

VERIFY MATERIAL

IN FILE 1 PRELIMINARY 10 Notification of intent to enter cycle 71009 71009

2 REPORT ON PROPOSALS

(ROP)

21 Proposal closing date 112409 112409

22 Final date for ROP meeting 22610 2510 23 Final date for mailing TC ballots 31910 21910 24 Receipt of (TC) ballots by staff liaison 42310 31210 25 Receipt of TC recirculation ballots 5710 31910 26 Final date for TCC meeting 41610 27 Final date for mailing TCC ballots 42310 28 Receipt of TCC ballots 51410 29 Receipt of TCC recirculation ballots 52110 210 Final copy (w ballot statements) to Secretary Standards Council

51410 52810

211 Completion of Reports 52110 6410 212 ROP Published and Posted 62510 62510

3 REPORT ON

COMMENTS (ROC)

31 Comment closing date 9310 9310 32 Final date for ROC meeting 11510 10810 33 Final date for mailing TC ballots 111910 102210 34 Receipt of (TC) ballots by staff liaison 12310 111210 35 Receipt of TC recirculation ballots 121010 111910 36 Final date for TCC meeting 121710 37 Final date for mailing TCC ballots 122210 38 Receipt of TCC ballots 11411 39 Receipt of TCC recirculation ballots 12111 310 Final copy (w ballot statements) to Secretary Standards Council

122210 12811

311 Completion of Reports 11411 2411 312 ROC Published and Posted 22511 22511

TECH SESSION PREPARATION amp ISSUANCE OF

CONSENT DOCUMENTS

41 Notice of Intent to Make a Motion (NITMAM) Closing Date

4811 4811

42 Posting of Filed NITMAM 5611 5611 43 Council Issuance Date for Consent Documents 53111 53111 44 Appeal Closing Date for Consent Documents 61511 61511

TECHNICAL SESSION

50 Association Meeting for Documents with Certified Amending Motions

612-1611 612-1611

APPEALS amp ISSUANCE OF DOCUMENTS

WCAMS

61 Appeal closing date for Documents with Certified Amending Motions

7611 7611

62 Council issuance for Documents with Certified Amending Motions

8411 8411

Proposal Closing Dates may vary according to documents and schedules for Revision Cycles may change Please check the NFPA website (wwwnfpaorg) for the most up-to-date information on proposal closing dates and schedules

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TIA 9852010-06-15 ndash IFMA Counterproposaldoc

Proposed TIA to NFPA 30A-2008 1 Add a new definition of ldquoalcohol blended motor fuelrdquo to read as follows

ldquo33X Alcohol Blended Motor Fuel Motor fuel consisting of a blend of alcohol such as ethanol and gasoline with an alcohol concentration greater than 10 percent by volume including those with nominally 85 percent ethanol 15 percent unleaded gasoline (E85)rdquo

2 Revise 632 to read

ldquo632 Dispensing devices for Class I and II liquids shall be listed for the specific fuels being dispensed A632 See UL 87 Standard for Power-Operated Dispensing Devices for Petroleum Products or UL SU87A Outline for Power-Operated Dispensing Devices for Gasoline and GasolineEthanol Blends with Nominal Concentrations up to 85 Percent 6321 Existing listed or labeled dispensing devices shall be permitted to be modified provided that the modifications made are ldquoListed by Reportrdquo by an approved testing laboratory or as otherwise approved by the authority having jurisdiction Modification proposals shall contain a description of the component parts used in the modification and the recommended methods of installation on specific dispensing devices Modification proposals shall be made available to the authority having jurisdiction upon request 6322 Existing dispensing devices shall be listed for the specific fuel or fuels being dispensed 63221 Where existing dispensing devices are not listed for a specific fuel or fuels see Section 15 Equivalency A6322 1 The authority having jurisdiction by virtue of Section 15 may approve the use of existing equipment for fuels for which no listing is available Where the authority having jurisdiction approves the use of an existing dispensing device or existing related dispensing equipment for use with alcohol blended motor fuels the approval of the dispensing device and related dispensing equipment may be based on the following (1) The dispensing device and related dispensing equipment should be listed for dispensing of gasoline motor fuel and (2) The dispensing device and related dispensing equipment should be inspected by a person who is knowledgeable in the operation of the equipment to verify that it is in proper working order and is not leaking as described in (a) and (b) (a) A visual inspection of the fuel dispenser and its associated hanging hardware should be conducted ldquoHanging hardwarerdquo includes the following components that might be present hose nozzle valve hose breakaway valve and hose swivel Inspections should be conducted at least weekly and should be documented Documentation should be available for review by the authority having jurisdiction upon request (b) An inspection of the fuel-dispensing equipment that is located inside the dispenser cabinet should be conducted The interior of the dispenser cabinet should

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TIA 9852010-06-15 ndash IFMA Counterproposaldoc

be inspected for signs of leaks damage corrosion or weathering with particular attention to the sump area and joints and castings of fuel handling components The inspection should be conducted at least monthly and should be documented Documentation should be available for review by the authority having jurisdiction upon request (c) If a leak is discovered use of the affected dispensing device should be discontinued until repairs can be made The authority having jurisdiction is provided with the ability to approve for use with mid-level alcohol blended motor fuels (eg E15 15 percent ethanol 85 percent unleaded gasoline) dispensing devices and related dispensing equipment currently listed for use with E10 (10 percent ethanol 90 percent unleaded gasoline) Approval of the dispensing device or related dispensing equipment for use with alcohol blended motor fuel requires that the dispensing device and related dispensing equipment be listed for use with E10 and that periodic inspection be conducted to verify that the equipment is functioning properly Useful forms for documenting inspections can be found in PEIRP500-05 Recommended Practices for Inspection and Maintenance of Motor Fuel Dispensing Equipment and are also available at wwwpeiorgrp500 In addition the authority having jurisdiction may take into account other factors including actual field experience evidence of compatibility (eg manufacturerrsquos declaration) and functionality by government agencies trade associations and testing laboratories Underwriters Laboratories Inc has listed dispensing devices and related dispensing equipment for alcohol blended motor fuels up to E10 and more recently has begun listing dispensing devices for alcohol blended motor fuels up to E25 (25 percent ethanol 75 percent unleaded gasoline) However the majority of existing dispensing devices and related dispensing equipment currently in service at motor fuel dispensing facilities are not listed for use with alcohol blended motor fuels with more than 10 percent ethanol While higher alcohol blended motor fuels (eg E85 85 percent ethanol 15 percent unleaded gasoline) are typically sold as an alternative to E10 the mid-level alcohol blended motor fuels such as E15 if approved by the U S Environmental Protection Agency might likely become a replacement for current motor fuels either through state or federal mandates or because of supply chain restrictions In order to maintain the supply of motor fuel this might require the sale of mid-level blends through the existing dispensing devices and related dispensing equipmentrdquo

3 Revise 651 to read

ldquo651 Listed hose assemblies shall be used to dispense fuels shall be listed for the specific fuels being dispensed Hose length at automotive motor fuel dispensing facilities shall not exceed 55 m (18 ft) Where hose length at marine motor fuel dispensing facilities exceeds 55 m (18 ft) the hose shall be secured so as to protect it from damage (See A63221)rdquo

4 Revise 661 to read

ldquo661 An automatic-closing-type hose nozzle valve listed in accordance with UL 842 Standard for Valves for Flammable Fluids and listed for the specific fuels being dispensed with or without latch-open device shall be provided on island-type dispensing devices used to dispense Class I or Class II liquids (See A63221)rdquo

5 Revise 681 and 682 to read

TIA 9852010-06-15 ndash IFMA Counterproposaldoc

ldquo681 Dispensing devices that incorporate vapor recovery shall be listed for the specific fuels being dispensed (See A63221) 682 Hose nozzle valves used on vapor recovery systems shall be listed for the purpose and for the specific fuels being dispensed (See A63221)rdquo

6 Add a new entry to Table B1 Typical Flammable and Combustible Liquids Found at Motor Fuel Dispensing Facilities to read as follows

ldquoAlcohol Blended Motor Fuel -40 degF ndash 55 degF Class IB varies nardquo A6321 proposed 6231 and its annex all becomes annex material gtgtgt New lead-in Where modifications are made 2 Add a new Subsection 623 and an accompanying annex text to read as follows A6322 Where dispensing devices and related dispensing equipment including dispensers hoses nozzles breakaway fittings swivels flexible connectors dispenser emergency shutoff valves and vapor recovery systems and pumps are propose for use for alcohol blended motor fuels they should be listed Where there is currently no listing see 15 for equivalencies Section 15 permits the authority having jurisdiction to approve non-listed components for the specific for the specific fuel being dispensed Where the authority having jurisdiction approves the use of a dispensing device or related dispensing equipment for use with alcohol blended motor fuels the approval of the dispensing device and related dispensing equipment could include the following (1) The dispensing device and related dispensing equipment shall be listed for dispensing of gasoline motor fuel and (2) The dispensing device and related dispensing equipment shall be periodically inspected by a person who is knowledgeable in the operation of the equipment to verify that it is in proper working order and is not leaking as described in (a) and (b) (a) A visual inspection of the fuel dispenser and its associated hanging hardware shall be conducted ldquoHanging hardwarerdquo shall include the following components that might be present hose nozzle valve hose breakaway valve and hose swivel Inspections shall be conducted at least weekly and shall be documented Documentation shall be available for review by the authority having jurisdiction upon request (b) An inspection of the fuel-dispensing equipment that is located inside the dispenser cabinet shall be conducted The interior of the dispenser cabinet shall be inspected for signs of leaks damage corrosion or weathering with particular attention to the sump area and joints and castings of fuel handling components The inspection shall be conducted at least monthly and shall be documented Documentation shall be available for review by the authority having jurisdiction upon request NEEDS TO TELL WHAT TO DO BEYOND MERE DOCUMENTATION ALSO NEED TO REPLACE ldquoPERIODICrdquo WITH FIRM TIME A623 See UL SU87A Outline for Power-Operated Dispensing Devices for Gasoline and GasolineEthanol Blends with Nominal Concentrations up to 85 Percent

TIA 9852010-06-15 ndash IFMA Counterproposaldoc

A6231 The authority having jurisdiction is provided with the ability to approve for use with mid-level alcohol blended motor fuels (eg E15 15 percent ethanol 85 percent unleaded gasoline) dispensing devices and related dispensing equipment currently listed for use with E10 (10 percent ethanol 90 percent unleaded gasoline) Approval of the dispensing device or related dispensing equipment for use with alcohol blended motor fuel requires that the dispensing device and related dispensing equipment be listed for use with E10 and that periodic inspection be conducted to verify that the equipment is functioning properly Useful forms for documenting inspections can be found in PEIRP500-05 Recommended Practices for Inspection and Maintenance of Motor Fuel Dispensing Equipment and are also available at wwwpeiorgrp500 In addition the authority having jurisdiction may take into account other factors including actual field experience evidence of compatibility (eg manufacturerrsquos declaration) and functionality by government agencies trade associations and testing laboratories Underwriters Laboratories Inc has listed dispensing devices and related dispensing equipment for alcohol blended motor fuels up to E10 and more recently has begun listing dispensing devices for alcohol blended motor fuels up to E25 (25 percent ethanol 75 percent unleaded gasoline) However the majority of existing dispensing devices and related dispensing equipment currently in service at motor fuel dispensing facilities are not listed for use with alcohol blended motor fuels with more than 10 percent ethanol While higher alcohol blended motor fuels (eg E85 85 percent ethanol 15 percent unleaded gasoline) are typically sold as an alternative to E10 the mid-level alcohol blended motor fuels such as E15 if approved by the U S Environmental Protection Agency might likely become a replacement for current motor fuels either through state or federal mandates or because of supply chain restrictions In order to maintain the supply of motor fuel this might require the sale of mid-level blends through the existing dispensing devices and related dispensing equipmentrdquo

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Report on Comments ndash June 2011 NFPA 30A_______________________________________________________________________________________________30A- Log 6

_______________________________________________________________________________________________John F Bender Underwriters Laboratories Inc

30A-6Revise text as follows

Underwriters Laboratories Inc 333 Pfingsten Road Northbrook IL 60062-2096UL 87 Standard for Power-Operated Dispensing Devices for Petroleum Products 2001 Revised 2008ANSIUL 842 Standard for Valves for Flammable Fluids 2007 Revised 2010UL 2080 Standard for Fire Resistant Tanks for Flammable and Combustible Liquids 2000ANSIUL 2085 Standard for Protected Aboveground Tanks for Flammable and Combustible Liquids 1997 Revised

1999UL 2245 Standard for Below-Grade Vaults for Flammable Liquid Storage Tanks 2006

Updated referenced standards to most recent revisions Add ANSI approval designation to ANSIUL842 and ANSIUL 2085

1Printed on 9132010

Report on Comments ndash June 2011 NFPA 30A_______________________________________________________________________________________________30A- Log 4

_______________________________________________________________________________________________Marshall A Klein Marshall A Klein amp Associates Inc

30A-7Revise text to read as follows

331 Basement Basement For the purposes of this code a story of a building or structure having one-half or more ofits height below ground level and to which access for fire-fighting purposes is restricted [302008] Any story of a buildingwholly or partly below grade plane that is not considered the first story above grade plane (Also see 33X ldquoFirst StoryAbove Grade Planerdquo 33Y ldquoGrade Planerdquo and 33Z ldquoStoryrdquo) [5000 2009]33X First Story Above Grade Plane Any story having its finished floor surface entirely above grade plane except

that a basement shall be considered as a first story above grade plane where the finished surface of the floor above thebasement is (1) more than 6 ft (1830 mm) above grade plane or (2) more than 12 ft (3660 mm) above the finished levelat any point (See also 33Z ldquoStoryrdquo) [5000 2009]33Z Story The portion of a building located between the upper surface of a floor and the upper surface of the floor or

roof next above [5000 2009]33Y Grade Plane A reference plane representing the average of the finished ground level adjoining the building at all

exterior walls When the finished ground level slopes down from the exterior walls the grade plane is established by thelowest points within the area between the building and the lot line or when the lot line is more than 6 ft (1830 mm) fromthe building between the building and a point 6 ft (1830 mm) from the building (See also 33W ldquoFinished Ground Level(Graderdquo) [5000 2009]33W Finished Ground Level (Grade) The level of the finished ground (earth or other surface on ground) (See also33Y ldquoGrade Planerdquo) [5000 2009]

The Committeersquos substantiation for this Committee Proposal was ldquoThis definition is the preferreddefinition from the NFPA Glossary of Terms Changing the secondary definition to the preferred definition complies withthe Glossary of Terms Projectrdquo Also the Committeersquos statement said in part ldquohellipThe key issue relative to NFPA 30A issafe access to and evacuation from the basement area by emergency responders during an emergencyrdquo

Since the first edition of the NFPA 5000 Building Code the NFPA 30A Committee has attempted to be in correlationwith NFPA 5000 and the other Model Building Code in the the United States IBC The dispensing facilities and repairgarage buildings constructed under the NFPA 30A are also required to comply with the local building code which will beeither NFPA 5000 or IBC The proposed definition for ldquobasementrdquo that is taken from NFPA 30 is more suited for thelarger flammable and combustible types of facilities built under NFPA 30 not the service centersrepair garages builtunder NFPA 30A and the building codes

NFPA 30A should stay with its present position to correlate with the definition for a ldquobasementrdquo with NFPA 5000ldquoBuilding Construction and safety Coderdquo and not replace this definition with the one that is in NFPA 30 ldquoFlammable andCombustible Liquids Coderdquo

The term ldquobasementrdquo is only used in the NFPA 30A Code in Section 423 that deals with ignitable vapors in abasement or pit and Section 746 that applies when sprinklers are required to be installed in the basement of a majorrepair garage The two NFPA 30A sections on basements relate more to the application of the requirements in NFPA5000 and IBC than to the requirements in NFPA 30 ldquoFlammable and Combustible Liquids Coderdquo As I have notedabove during the development of the NFPA 5000 Building Code the NFPA 30A Committee was very careful tocorrelate its requirements with NFPA 5000 NFPA 101 amp IBC so that there would be minimum conflicts in theapplication of the requirements of NFPA 30A with these other Codes that greatly impact the design and construction ofMotor Fuel Dispensing Facilities and Repair Garages The definition of ldquobasementrdquo is critically important forbuilding design and should be correlated with the building codes used throughout the US and we should not use adifferent definition for basement that would cause confusion and cost in the design and application of the NFPA 30Arequirements where NFPA 5000 NFPA 101 or IBC Codes are also adopted

I have also included the addition of the definitions of ldquoFirst Story Above Grade Planerdquo ldquoStoryrdquo ldquoGrade Planerdquo andldquoFinished Ground Level (Grade)rdquo from NFPA 5000 to provide complete correlation on these building definitions withNFPA 5000 and the IBC For individuals using NFPA 30A that are only used to working with NFPA 30 these definitions

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Report on Comments ndash June 2011 NFPA 30Amay seem like overkill but to the great majority of code officials designers and owners of these types of dispensingfacilities and repair garages correlation of these terms with NFPA 5000 and IBC are critical to prevent major conflictsdelays and cost increases in interpretations and applications of code requirements between the building departmentsand fire departments

In summation based on the two sections in NFPA 30A that cover a ldquobasementrdquo requirement it serves the public interestbetter to use the ldquobasementrdquo definition and its related building definitions from NFPA 5000 to properly correlate with themodel buildings codes not NFPA 30

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Report on Comments ndash June 2011 NFPA 30A_______________________________________________________________________________________________30A- Log 1

_______________________________________________________________________________________________Alex Ralston Petcon Inc

NARevise text to read as follows

Means shall be provided to sound an audible alarm when the liquid level in the tank reaches 90 percent of capacityMeans shall also be provided either to automatically stop the flow of liquid into the tank when the liquid level reaches 98percent capacity or to restrict the flow of liquid into the tank to a maximum flow rate of 95L min (25 gpm) when theliquid level in the tank reaches 95 percent capacityThe federal underground storage tank rules state that means shall be provided to stop the flow of liquid into the tank

when the liquid reaches 95 percent capacity or restrict the flow into the tank when the liquid level reaches 90 percentcapacity

None given

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Report on Comments ndash June 2011 NFPA 30A_______________________________________________________________________________________________30A- Log 2

_______________________________________________________________________________________________Alex Ralston Petcon Inc

NARevise text to read as follows

On remote pressure pumping systems each pump shall have installed on the discharge side a listed leak detectiondevice that will provide an audible or visible indication if the piping and dispensing devices are not liquid tight Replace with device that will either restrict the flow of product to the dispenser or shut-off the flow of product to

indicate if the piping and dispensing devices are liquid tightThe explanation attempts to explain the federal underground storage tank regulations however the

regulation that provides for an audible or visible alarm relates to overfill prevention in federal regulations not leakdetectionThe regulations on leak detection for pressurized piping in the explanation are correct but if youll note nowhere in the

explanation is audible or visual alarms mentioned

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Report on Comments ndash June 2011 NFPA 30A_______________________________________________________________________________________________30A- Log 8

_______________________________________________________________________________________________Robert Bourke Northeastern Regional Fire Code Development Committee

30A-42Revise to read 623 Fuel-dispensing systems including dispensers hoses nozzleshelliphelliphellip

blended motor fuels shall be listed or approved for the specific purposeThis requirement should only be stating that the equipment is listed for the specific purpose

ldquoApprovedrdquo by definition means ldquoacceptable to the AHJrdquoToo often a Standard may misuse the word ldquoapprovedrdquo in order to not exclude other listing organizations that publish

its list in a document that they refer to as an ldquoApproval Guiderdquo Regardless the document is still a listing

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Report on Comments ndash June 2011 NFPA 30A_______________________________________________________________________________________________30A- Log 3

_______________________________________________________________________________________________David B Wechsler The Dow Chemical Company

30A-34Revise and add new sentences shown under 831 and A831 and modify Table 831 as

indicated831 Table 831 shall be used to delineate and classify areas for the purposes of installing electrical wiring and

electrical utilization equipment (See also Figure 831) WARNING The US National Electrical Code has differentequipment and installation requirements from other International Standards Therefore for example equipment used inEurope may not be acceptable for installation in the USA831 The designation and decision installation and use of electrical equipment for Classes and Divisions in

hazardous (classified) locations are defined Article 500 501 and 504 of NFPA 70 National Electrical Code Thedesignation and design installation and use of electrical equipment for Classes and Zones in hazardous (classified)locations are defined in Article 505 and 504 of NFPA 70 National Electrical Code The designation and designinstallation and use of electrical equipment in lsquoZonesrsquo Zone 0 Zone 1 and Zone 2 are addressed in other internationalstandardsWithin Table 831 add a new column titled ldquoZones and copy the information from the Class I Zone column into this

new columnAlternatively to all of the above remove the ldquoZonesrdquo column completely from Table 831

While the stated intent of this proposal is understood as being to try and deal with the internationalnature of applying NFPA 30A there are problems with the approach presented by a simple extraction from the NECFirst as presented the new column only addresses the US Zone methodology The US Zone methodology for

flammable vapor gases liquids and combustible vapors and liquids is identified by the terms lsquoClass I Zone 0rsquo lsquoClass IZone 1rsquo and lsquoClass I Zone 2rsquo However under the IEC or ATEX (aka Europe International) the terms are simply lsquoZone0rsquo lsquoZone 1rsquo or lsquoZone 2rsquo Therefore the table revision is not correct for international useSecond this TIA and proposal was to lsquoincorporate the (European) Zone System of designating hazardous (classified)

locations and the allowable wiring methods and electrical utilization devices that can be used in themrsquo However the USNEC is not an international code Thus while the US NEC Article 505 does permit the use of the Class I Zonemethodology adding this column in NFPA 30A does not address the more complex nature of the design and installationproblems associated with Zone certified equipment in the US The NEC under Article 5059 Equipment provides for theuse of only AEx equipment as may be seen for example under paragraph ldquo(2) Zone Equipment Equipment meeting oneor more of the protection techniques described in 5058 shall be marked with all of the following in the order shown(1) Class(2) Zone(3) Symbol ldquoAExrdquo(4) Protection technique(s) in accordance with Table 5059(C)(2)(4)(5) Applicable gas classification group(s) in accordance with Table 9(C)(1)(2)Without adding additional text usersinspectors etc may think using Zones is just like using the Division methodology

This is not true and equipment not otherwise permitted under the US NEC may be installed because of the impliedactions currently reflected in this proposal This is a significant issue

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Report on Comments ndash June 2011 NFPA 30A_______________________________________________________________________________________________30A- Log 9

_______________________________________________________________________________________________Donald R Offerdahl North Dakota State Electrical Board

30A-36Insert figure for 831(B)

Insert Artwork Figure 831(A) and 831(B) Here

Proposal 30A-36 should have been accepted in principal these types of storage tanks and dispensersare widely used in farms construction sites and business fleet operations

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Report on Comments ndash June 2011 NFPA 30A_______________________________________________________________________________________________30A- Log 5

_______________________________________________________________________________________________Mindy Wang Ampco Safety Tools

30A-39Not proposing new text Please see comment in Substantiation

Although procedures for cleanup of spills is not within the scope of NFPA 30A we feel compelled toaddress API 2214 referenced by the Committee Information presented below shows API 2214 is misleading andundermines safe work practices In fact API 2214 conflicts with OSHA regulations Accredited Standards Developerrsquosstandards and safe work practices FM Approvals LLC formerly Factory Mutual Research Corporation (FM) is an international organization recognized

by the US government as a Nationally Recognized Testing Laboratory (NRTL) for scientific research and productcertification Product approval from a NRTL assures that products meet consensus-based standards of safety to providethe assurance required by OSHA that these products are safe for use in the United States workplace FM ApprovalStandard 7910 Spark Resistant Tools is used as guidance to evaluate tools intended for use in environments wherethere is a risk of ignition of flammable materials dusts or vapors resulting from sparks created by iron and steel handtools These tools prevent the ignition of flammable materials dusts or vapors by mechanical sparks created by the useof iron and steel hand tools slipping or striking a surface American Petroleum Institute (API) Publication 2214contradicts NRTL research and product certification as evidence in FM Approvals granted for spark resistance toolsFM has conducted tests of Ampco Safety Tools as covered in Report Job Identification No IN4A0AF in accordancewith the requirements of Safety Tools Approval Test Procedure Class 7910 and test results show

Sparks created from steel plates ignited carbon disulfide saturated pads eight of eight tests ethyl ether pads fiveof eight tests and naphtha VMampP four of eight tests

No sparks were observed and no ignition of the flammable liquids mentioned above from approved Ampco SafetyTools Other investigations also contradict APIrsquos conclusion on non-sparking tools A paper published in the Fire Protection

Journal ldquoThe Danger of Incendive Sparksrdquo stated that after APIrsquos conclusion on ldquonon-sparkingrdquo tools Institute ofPetroleum sought the advice of the Fire Research Board Committee on Industrial Fires and Explosion This committeecame to certain conclusions one of which was ldquoUntilhellipevidence is obtained to show that the impact of steel hand toolson steel is safe it is advisable to use non-sparking tools in situations where flammable atmospheres are unavoidablerdquo The NFPA Fire Protection Handbook 20th edition published in January 2008 does not support the conclusion that

API 2214 represents In fact many NFPA codes the use of ldquonon-sparkingrdquo tools in flammable atmospheresAccording to NFPA Fire Protection Handbook ldquoWhen flammable and combustible liquids are stored or handled theliquid is usually exposed to the air at some stage in the operation except where the storage is confined to sealedcontainers that are not filled or opened on the premises or where handling is in closed systems and vapor losses arerecovered Even when the storage or handling is in a closed system there is always the possibility of breaks or leakswhich permit the liquid to escape It is a to eliminate sources of ignition in places where low flashpointflammable liquids are stored handled or used even though no vapor may ordinarily be presentrdquo NFPA 921 Guide for Fire and Explosion Investigations 2008 Edition Chapter 5 Basic Fire Science Table 5711

Reported Burning and Sparking Temperature of Selected Ignition Sources under Mechanical Sparks lists a Steel tooltemperature at 2550degF When working with flammable gases liquids or vapors a potential hazard arises because of thepossibility that sparks produced by steel or iron tools can become an ignition source OSHA Flammable and Combustible Liquids regulation 29 CFR Parts 1910106(b) on tank storage paragraph

1910106(b)(6) states that precaution shall be taken to eliminate or control sources of ignitions including frictional heatand mechanical sparks to prevent the ignition of flammable vapors In OSHA regulation 29 CFR 1910146 Permit-Required Confined Spaces Appendix D Confined Space Pre-Entry

Check List non-sparking tool is listed as one type of entry equipment OSHA 29 CFR 1910146 StandardInterpretations Interpretative guidance and equipment approved for hazardous locations relative to the Permit-RequiredConfined Spaces states that ldquohellipthe standard does not prohibit entry into a permit space where a hazardous flammableatmosphere is at or above the 10 LFL For concentrations at or above 10 LFL paragraph (d) would theemployer to incorporate safe work procedures to address the flammableexplosive hazard (such as equipment approvedfor hazardous locations) in the entry plan for those spaces Electrical equipment as well as other sources of ignition(non-sparking hand tools) be considered and addressed for the hazardous atmosphererdquo OSHA regulation 29 CFR Parts 1910120 Hazardous waste operations and emergency response paragraph

1910120(j)(2)(v) requires that ldquoWhen there is a reasonable possibility of flammable atmospheres being present

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Report on Comments ndash June 2011 NFPA 30Amaterial handling equipment and hand tools shall be of the type to prevent sources of ignition EPA has identifiedsolvents such as xylene acetone ethyl acetate ethyl benzene and ethyl ether commonly used in all industries (theF-list) and discarded commercial chemical products such as acetone benzene ethyl ether and xylene (the P-list andU-list) as ignitable hazardous wastes API members such as ExxonMobil and Chevron as well as others in the petroleum industry such as Valero CITGO

Petroleum Corporation Chem-Supply Pty Ltd Irving Oil Ltd Petrol Star Inc Nova Chemicals and El Paso Corporationregularly the use of ldquonon-sparkingrdquo tools under Accidental Release Measures and Handling and Storage sectionsin the MSDSrsquos for their petroleum products These companies clearly recognize the need for ldquonon-sparkingrdquo tools inworking with and around flammable materials API 2214 Section 12 Background ldquohellipthese engineers pointed out that although numerous opportunities existed for

the production of sparks from violent contact of steel objects with other steel objects there was a negligible record offires resulting from such a causerdquo On the contrary there are a number of documented incidents involving flammablevapors ignited by steel sparks from tools A few examples are as follows

OSHA inspection 300965795 an employee in the process of cleaning loose material from drill piping with ametal hammer While striking the pipe with a hammer an explosion occurred Employee was killed in the explosion onsite

OSHA inspection 2272953 two employees were assigned the job of tending a 100 gallon (water jacket) reactorkettle of methyl methacrylate in the mixing room Employee 1 used a metal wrench (visegrips) to pry open the cover ofa kettle The wrench handle struck the angle iron support for the agitator motor producing a spark Employee 2noticed the spark which was immediately followed by a massive ldquofire ballrdquo Both employees were engulfed in thefireball Employee 3 came to the area to assist the other employees The investigation states that non-sparking toolswere not provided for the employees All three employees received first and second degree burns on their face armsand abdomen Employee 2 also received some third degree burns All three employees were hospitalized

OSHA inspection 124728437 Employee 1 and a coworker both maintenance mechanics were working in a 30inch by 36 inch manhole at a gas station Employee 1 was trying to change a fuel pump while the coworker watchedfrom outside the manhole Employee 1 was using an Allen wrench to loosen the bolts on the fuel pump lead when hecreated a spark that ignited the gas fumes in the manhole causing an explosion Employee 1 suffered burns to hisface hands arms and legs in the explosion and was hospitalized

OSHA inspection 111109237 Employee 1 or 3 attempted to cut a metal pipe with a metal saw whileEmployee 2 was standing on top of one of two 5000 gallon gas tanks trying to remove a tank fitting Sparks from thesaw the pipe wrench or another unknown source ignited the gas vapors which exploded Employees 1 and 3 werekilled of burns at the scene Employee 2 died at the burn center as a result of burns sustained in the explosion

OSHA inspection 102826625 Employee 1 worked for a company that cleans paints and replaces valves in LPand MAPP gas cylinders Before removing an old valve Employee 1 would open the valve to let the residual gas leakout on the loading dock Where there was a large quantity of cylinders Employee 1 would invert the cylinder so theresidual gas could vent faster Employee 1 had an accumulation of a gas and air mixture around his work area Thevapors were ignited either by a spark from the metal screwdriver he was using to open a damaged valve or by an openflame burner approximately 40 feet away There was a fire and explosion The employee sustained 2nd and 3rd degreeburns on the lower half of his body and was hospitalized

OSHA inspection 607366 an employee was sawing an airplane wing into sections with a portable powered handsaw the saw created a spark that caused an explosion of gasoline vapors in the wing fuel tank Employee 1 killed andEmployee 2 injured in explosion and was hospitalized

OSHA inspection 309178523 employer was cited for violating Section 5(a)(1) of the Occupational Safety andHealth Act of 1970 often referred to as the General Duty Clause which requires employers to furnish to each of hisemployees employment and a place of employment which are free from recognized hazards that are causing or arelikely to cause death or serious physical harm to his employees for exposing employee to an explosion hazard byopening the hydrogen tube trailer main valve without using non-sparking tools

OSHA inspection 304994304 employer was cited for violating Section 5(a)(1) of the Occupational Safety andHealth Act of 1970 violation for exposing employee to a fireexplosion hazard while performing maintenance operationson LP gas tanks with ferrous tools One feasible and acceptable abatement method to correct this hazard is toimplement the use of non- sparking toolsThe Report of the BP US Refineries independent Safety Review Panel also known as the Baker Panel Report states

that ldquoPreventing process accidents requires vigilance The passing of time without a process accident is not necessarilyan indicator that all is well and may contribute to a dangerous and growing sense of complacencyrdquo This sample ofOSHA documented events illustrates accidents do happen when proper safety measures are not taken againstmechanical sparks from steel tools as a possible ignition sourceHaving said that we appreciate the Committeersquos time and agree with the Committee that procedures for cleanup of

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Report on Comments ndash June 2011 NFPA 30Aspills is not within the scope of NFPA 30A

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Report on Comments ndash June 2011 NFPA 30A_______________________________________________________________________________________________30A- Log 7

_______________________________________________________________________________________________Robert Bourke Northeastern Regional Fire Code Development Committee

30A-19Add a new section to read 11721 Where approved by the Authority Having Jurisdiction piers

that extend more than 152 m (500 ft) in travel distance from shore shall be permitted to provide a Class I standpipe thatis installed in accordance with NFPA 14 Standard for the Installation of Standpipe and Hose Systems

The TC missed the point in the substantiation of the proposalIt was not the intent of the proposal to obtain additional flexibility of FD use over that which is provided by a Class III

standpipe system The intent of the proposal was to provide relief from the requirement where the local AHJ feels thatthe effectiveness and likelihood of occupant use of fire hoses does not justify the added risk to the occupant or theinstallation and maintenance costs associated with the requisite hose for a Class III system A Class I system would stillprovide FD fire fighting capabilities in jurisdictions where the AHJ prefers occupants to evacuate and not attempt to fightfires beyond portable fire extinguisher capability

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From Benedetti BobTo bcotnerswriorgCc Harrington Greg Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiBcc May PaulSubject Inquiry NFPA 30 amp NFPA 30ADate Thursday July 08 2010 121900 PM

Good Morning Mr Cotner Greg Harrington asked that I respond to your question about the proper use ofintermediate bulk containers Actually an intermediate bulk container is a shipping vessel that must meetrequirements and specifications of the U S Department of Transportation for shippingmaterials from Point A to Point B It is not intended to be a storage vessel althoughthe liquid contained is obviously dispensed from the vessel for use Dispensing of motor fuels is covered by NFPA 30A Code for Motor Fuel DispensingFacilities and Repair Garages NFPA 30A states in Subsection 421 421 Liquids shall be stored in the following(1) Approved closed containers that do not exceed 227 L (60 gal) capacity and arelocated outside buildings(2) Tanks or approved closed containers located inside motor fuel dispensingfacilities or repair garages(3) Aboveground tanks underground tanks and containers in accordance with therequirements of Section 43(4) Tanks supplying marine service stations in accordance with Section 112 Section 43 states the following 432 Aboveground Storage Tanks Except as modified by the provisions of thissubsection aboveground storage tanks shall meet all applicable requirements ofChapters 21 through 23 and 27 of NFPA 30 Flammable and Combustible Liquids Code So in accordance with NFPA 30A Subsection 421(3) indicates that abovegroundstorage of motor fuel must be in a tank that meets the provisions of Section 43 Thelatter in turn references the Chapters in NFPA 30 that deal with fixed storage tanks Nowhere in these chapters is there any reference to an intermediate bulk container Chapter 9 of NFPA 30 does recognize an intermediate bulk container for warehouse-type storage of Class I flammable liquids but does not anticipate continual dispensingand use One could evaluate an intermediate bulk container as a means of long-term storageand dispensing of liquids under the Equivalency clause My opinion is that an intermediate bulk container is not considered a substitute for anaboveground storage tank but this is not specifically stated in the relevant codes This issue will be added to the agendas for the Technical Committees involved Please understand that this response is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 ofNFPArsquos Regulations Governing Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon todefinitively determine compliance with any laws ordinances rules or regulations Todetermine legal compliance you should refer to the appropriate authority havingjurisdiction or seek legal advice It is not intended nor should it be relied upon toprovide professional consultation or services To determine the adequacy or safety ofany device or installation you should consult with an appropriate professional

bbenedetti
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I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write Iwill be happy to assist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant toNFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does notnecessarily represent the official position of the NFPA or its Technical Committees Inaddition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it be relied upon to provideprofessional consultation or services cc 30IFI 30AIFI AUVNM FLCSWCNM FLCTANNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

If you have a reported fire in your home the risk of dyingdecreases by about 80 percent when sprinklers are present

wwwfiresprinklerinitiativeorgNotice The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intendedfor the exclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential andor privileged information If you arenot the intended recipient please notify Robert Benedetti immediately by replying to the message or by calling(617) 984-7433 Please delete this message and any attachments from your system Thank you

From Harrington Greg Sent Wednesday July 07 2010 350 PMTo Benedetti BobSubject FW Intermediate Bulk Containers Hi Bob Can you answer the question below Hersquos a friend of mine former inspector with San Antonio FD when Iworked down there now a safety guy at SWRI Thanks a lot --Greg

From Bill Cotner [mailtobcotnerswriorg] Sent Wednesday July 07 2010 332 PMTo Harrington GregSubject Intermediate Bulk Containers Hey Greg howrsquos the heat in Boston here it is a balmy 93 enjoying it I have a question probably out ofyour area but Irsquom sure you know who to route it to We have a group here that wants to dispense fuelfrom a stainless steel IBC into test engines I donrsquot think that is the intended use or what it has beenlisted for Can I get some guidance on this issue I appreciate anything you can do for me Bill Bill CotnerSenior Fire SpecialistEnvironmental Safety and Quality SystemsSouthwest Research InstitutePhone (210) 522-5101Fax (210) 522-5093Mobile (210) 669-7005Email bcotner swriorg

From Benedetti BobTo Ebanks DesmondCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiBcc May PaulSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Monday June 14 2010 35400 PM

Good afternoon Mr Ebanks The intent of Subsection 422 of NFPA 30A Code for Motor Fuel Dispensing Facilities and RepairGarages is that there be no direct piped connection between the aboveground storage tank inthe bulk plant and the fuel dispensing device in the motor fuel dispensing facility In my opinionthis includes any intervening underground storage tank The hazard being addressed is the potential to overfill the underground storage tank due to thestatic head of the liquid in the aboveground storage tank Please understand that this response is a personal opinion and does not constitute a FormalInterpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 of NFPArsquos RegulationsGoverning Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitively determine compliancewith any laws ordinances rules or regulations To determine legal compliance you shouldrefer to the appropriate authority having jurisdiction or seek legal advice It is not intended norshould it be relied upon to provide professional consultation or services To determine theadequacy or safety of any device or installation you should consult with an appropriateprofessional I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will behappy to assist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPARegulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarilyrepresent the official position of the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition thiscorrespondence is neither intended nor should it be relied upon to provide professional consultation orservices cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg Attend the premier event for fire life safety and electrical professionals

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From Ebanks Desmond [mailtoDesmondEbanksgovky] Sent Monday May 24 2010 940 AMTo Benedetti BobSubject bulk storage supply to motor fuel facilities Hi Bob NFPA 30A (2003) 422 gives to positions in relation to motor fuel dispensing facilities (mfdf) that I would like to havefurther clarified for Code intent please The first is that dispensing devices at the mfdf shall not be supplied by ASTs located in the bulk plant Does this implythat supply from a UST (underground storage tank) in the bulk storage facility would be acceptable or to the other extentthat even if the bulk AST supplied a loading rack which in turn supplied a UST both in the bulk facility that supplyfrom the bulk AST is still not permitted The second statement refers to any storage tank at the mfdf saying they shall not be connected by piping to bulkfacility ASTs Similarly does this imply that a UST (underground storage tank) in the bulk storage facility would beacceptable or that if the bulk tank was connected to a loading rack and the loading rack connected by non-permanentmeans to an mfdf tank that this would be permissible RegardsDes EbanksAssistant Petroleum InspectorThe Petroleum InspectorateCayman Islands GovernmentAnderson Square 4th floorPO Box 31213Grand CaymanKY1-1205Cayman IslandsOffice 345 244 3458Mobile 345 925 3317Fax 345 949 0920Email desmondebanksgovky

From Benedetti BobTo Shriniwas BodhankarCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiBcc May PaulSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Monday June 14 2010 50100 PM

Good day Sir There has been no discussion by the Technical Committee on Automotive and Marine ServiceStations to alter the separation distances in Table 4324 of NFPA 30A Code for Motor FuelDispensing Facilities and Repair Garages as they pertain to liquid fuels including high flashpoint diesel fuels Also there have been no proposals to make such a change to NFPA 30A I trust this answers your question R P Benedetti cc -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

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From Shriniwas Bodhankar [mailtobodhankarenoccom] Sent Tuesday June 01 2010 536 AMTo Maynard Mary Benedetti BobSubject NFPA 30 A Dear sir Reference is made to table no 4324 of NFPA code 30A specifying the minimum distance between storagetanks and dispensing equipment A dispenser should be placed minimum 50 feet away from a bunded abovegroundsteel tank to meet this requirementIn our opinion this is too stringent and uncalled for in case of high flash diesel ( Flash point above 65 degreecentigrade) A bunded tank where spill can be contained within bund is as safe as a vaulted tankfire resistanttankprotected tank Therefore it is equally safe to install an approved dispensing device immediately outside thebund provided the vent of the tank is 4 meters above the grade level on which the dispensing device is installedVarious international oil companies like SHELL amp BP carry similar installations for their fleet customers of dieselMoreover there are standard skids being marketed in EUROPE (even for gasoline) which have storage tanks and

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dispensers on same skid and such an arrangement is accepted by ldquoAuthority Having Jurisdictionrdquo(AHJ)Kindly advise if this standard requirement is being reviewed or otherwise if based on performance based designsuch a requirement may be waived or considered as ldquo highly recommendedrdquo in the leastBased on your feedback we wish to discuss this with AHJ in UAE Regards Regards Shriniwas BodhankarSenior EHS Compliance Officer( Special Projects)Group EHSQ Compliance DepartmentEmirates National Oil Company Limited (ENOC) LLC ENOC House I PO Box 6442Dubai United Arab EmiratesDirect +971 4 313 4437Fax +971 4 313 4482bodhankarenoccom | wwwenoccom

This message together with any attachments contains confidential information and is intended only for the use of theaddressee(s) and may contain information which is covered by legal professional or other privilege If you are not theintended recipient please inform the sender immediately and delete this e-mail You should not copy this e-mail or use itfor any purpose nor disclose its contents to any other person ENOC does not warrant that this transmission is virus freeand will not be liable for any damages resulting from any virus ENOC Dubai UAE

From Benedetti BobTo EActonccfireusCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiBcc May PaulSubject Inquiry NFPA 30A amp NFPA 30Date Monday August 02 2010 44400 PMAttachments DSC06169JPG

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Good day Mr Acton Fire protection provisions for major and minor repair garages and ldquolube-onlyrdquofacilities which is the topic of your concern are provided in NFPA 30A Code for MotorFuel Dispensing Facilities and Repair Garages currently 2008 edition Chapter 5 ofNFPA 30A covers piping systems but its specific provisions focus on piping systemsbetween fuel storage tanks and fuel dispensers Chapter 5 also directly referencesChapter 27 of the 2008 edition of NFPA 30 Flammable and Combustible Liquids Code(successor to Chapter 5 of the 2003 edition) Subsection 527 of NFPA 30A allows piping made from low-melting point materials tobe installed in exposed areas but only in specific locations These are limited tocontainment sumps under dispensers containment sumps for underground fuelstorage tanks and sumps for below-grade piping connections Chapter 5 of NFPA 30Ais silent on piping inside buildings Therefore the user is left with the provisions ofChapter 27 of NFPA 30 NFPA 30 in turn does allow piping fabricated of low melting point materials to beused exposed outdoors or inside buildings with the following provisions ldquo27441 Such materials shall be permitted to be used outdoors above ground orinside buildings provided they meet one of the following conditions (1) They are resistant to damage by fire(2) They are located so that any leakage resulting from failure will not exposepersons important buildings or structures(3) They are located where leakage can be controlled by operation of one or moreaccessible remotely located valvesrdquo Regardless of the material of construction of the piping and components the followinggeneral requirement from Chapter 27 of NFPA 30 always applies ldquo273 General Requirements2731 Performance Standards The design fabrication assembly test and inspectionof piping systems shall be suitable for the working pressures and structural stresses tobe encountered by the piping system Compliance with applicable sections of ASMEB31 Code for Pressure Piping and the provisions of this chapter shall be consideredprima facie evidence of compliance with the foregoing provisions2732 Tightness of Piping Piping systems shall be maintained liquidtight A pipingsystem that has leaks that constitute a hazard shall be emptied of liquid or repaired ina manner acceptable to the authority having jurisdictionrdquo Your interpretation of Subsection 511 of the 2003 edition of NFPA 30 (2711 in the2008 edition) is correct the chapter applies to any piping system that handles aflammable or combustible liquid regardless of pressure Likewise you are correct thatthe piping system must meet the provisions of ASME B31 for the material chosen andthe anticipated operating pressures and temperatures (531 in the 2003 edition 2741 in the 2008 edition) However low melting point materials (aluminum copperbrass and polymeric materials) are allowed under the provisions of Subsection 534(2003 edition) and 2744 (2008 edition) What must be determined is does thepiping system comply with one of the conditions stated in 27441 as stated above

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Please understand that this response is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 ofNFPArsquos Regulations Governing Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon todefinitively determine compliance with any laws ordinances rules or regulations Todetermine legal compliance you should refer to the appropriate authority havingjurisdiction or seek legal advice It is not intended nor should it be relied upon toprovide professional consultation or services To determine the adequacy or safety ofany device or installation you should consult with an appropriate professional I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write Iwill be happy to assist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant toNFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does notnecessarily represent the official position of the NFPA or its Technical Committees Inaddition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it be relied upon to provideprofessional consultation or services cc 30IFI 30AIFI AUVNM FLCTANNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

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From Eric Acton [mailtoEActonccfireus] Sent Monday July 19 2010 636 PMTo Benedetti BobSubject InterpretationOpinion request

Good day My name is Eric Acton I am the Fire Marshal for Campbell CountyWyoming and Irsquom employed by Campbell County Fire Department My NFPA

membership number is 2755369 My mailing and email addresses are listed below I am in need of a technical opinion regarding 2003 NFPA 30 Chapter 5 or morecurrently 2008 NFPA 30A Chapter 5 Some brief project backgroundAn owner within my jurisdiction has built a commercial lube-oil center to servicecustomersrsquo vehicles A ldquopitrdquo exists below the service bay to allow workers to drainthe oil from the vehicle then workers on the main floor refill the oil by use ofpressurized nozzles Several motor oil storage tanks are located in the pitaccounting for several brands and viscosities of oil The tanks are designed to befilled by use of a piping system which extends from an exterior connection vault toeach of the storage tanks using gravity to move the product in the fill-pipingsystem The material the owner chose to construct the fill-piping system wasldquostandardrdquo 1-12rdquo Schedule 40 PVC and Parker Series 7094 Electrically Non-Conductive rubber hose The piping system is exposed it is not underground nor isit protected from flame by means of a fire-rated chase Having identified the use of combustible liquids in this occupancy I utilized 2006International Fire Code (as adopted by my jurisdiction) Chapter 34 Flammable andCombustible Liquids to review and inspect the project IFC Section 340362referred me to NFPA 30 Chapter 5 for the construction materials to use where Iinterpreted (2003 version) 30511 to mean that the piping system components (pipetubing flanges bolting gaskets valves fittingshellip) must meet the requirementsregardless of pressure And that the following components specified in theparagraph must meet the requirements ONLY if they contained pressure ndashhelliprdquoexpansion joints and strainers and devices such thathelliprdquo I further interpreted(2003 version) 30531 Material Specifications similarly in that the ldquoPipe valvesfaucets couplingshelliprdquo must meet the requirements regardless of pressure while ldquohellipother pressure-containing partshelliprdquo meant ONLY the other parts that containedpressure Verbatim to 30511 is encountered in 2008 NFPA 30A Chapter 5paragraph 51 Scope The owner states his piping complies with the standard cited because it is gravity-fed hence no ldquopressurerdquo is seen by the piping components I maintain that thepiping system shall consist of metal pipe (or another material meeting therequirements of ASME B31 as allowed by 2003 NFPA 30531) to comply with NFPA30 and IFC Some assistance to resolve this problem is greatly appreciated I have attachedsome photographs for clarification Thanks for your attentionEric

Eric ActonFire MarshalCampbell County Fire Department 106 Rohan Avenue Gillette WY 82716 (307) 682-5319 ext 8912(307) 686-2222 Fax(307) 680-9612 Cell

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From Benedetti BobTo Howard Jim (Woodbridge)Cc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiBcc May PaulSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Monday June 28 2010 115100 AM

Good morning Mr Howard First I appreciate your patience with me while I reviewed the information sent to meby yourself and Mr Luby of Veeder-Root I wanted to ensure that I thoroughlyunderstood how the system functions in its line leak detection mode My understanding of the arrangement of the piping system from the pair ofunderground storage tanks is that the electronic line leak detector the PLLD tests thesupply piping from the two submersible pumps to the dispensers as a single system This includes the direct piping run from the master pump to the dispensers AND thepiping that connects the slave pump to the direct piping run The intent of Subsection 642 of the 2008 edition of NFPA 30A Code for Motor FuelDispensing Facilities and Repair Garages is to ensure that some type of leak detectiondevice monitors the piping from the submersible pump to the dispensers in such amanner that a leak in the piping leading to the dispensers or in the dispensersthemselves is detected and notification of a leak given Since the two pumps act intandem and since the entire piping system from the pumps to the dispensers ismonitored my personal opinion is that the intent of Subsection 642 is met andevaluation of the system described as being equivalent to what is required bySubsection 642 is reasonable Whether the system described meets the criteria of Section 15 Equivalency of NFPA30A must be determined by the authority having jurisdiction As NFPA Staff Liaison forNFPA 30A I cannot make such a determination under NFPArsquos Regulations GoverningCommittee Projects Please understand that this response is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 ofNFPArsquos Regulations Governing Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon todefinitively determine compliance with any laws ordinances rules or regulations Todetermine legal compliance you should refer to the appropriate authority havingjurisdiction or seek legal advice It is not intended nor should it be relied upon toprovide professional consultation or services To determine the adequacy or safety ofany device or installation you should consult with an appropriate professional I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write Iwill be happy to assist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant toNFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does notnecessarily represent the official position of the NFPA or its Technical Committees Inaddition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it be relied upon to provideprofessional consultation or services cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids Engineer

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National Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

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From Howard Jim (Woodbridge) [mailtoJHowardhesscom] Sent Monday June 14 2010 1144 AMTo Benedetti BobCc Howard Jim (Woodbridge) Bob Luby Subject Importance High Bob It was a pleasure talking to you this morning regarding the Line Leak Detection applicationin place at Hess Station 08501 - Milltown DE (drawing attached) as well as several thousandlocations worldwide Here is some background information on this installation

Site had 3 - 10000 gallon gasoline tanks 1 - 10000 Regular (87) 1 - 10000 Plus (89) 1 - 10000 Premium (93) prior to our Dispenser Replacement Project Because of theoverwhelming demand for Regular gasoline (887 in 2009) we converted the existingPlus tank to additional Regular storageDispensers were replaced with new Blend Dispensers Tanks were not manifoldedRegular and former-Plus product lines were manifolded at each dispenserWe installed Veeder-Root PLLDs (Electronic Line Leak Detectors) on the Regular 1and Premium STPs We installed a non-vented Swift Check on Regular 2 (formerPlus) STP Because the PLLD is vented we MUST install a non-vented swift check onRegular STP 2 in order to test the system as a wholeWe have demonstrated via post-construction testing that the system will pick up a 3gph leak

The State of DE has questioned our compliance with NFPA 30A 642 Each pump shallhave installed on the discharge side a listed leak detection device that will provide an audibleor visible indication if the piping or a dispenser is leaking Each leak-detecting device shallbe checked and tested at least annually according to the manufacturers specifications toensure proper installation and operation

Can you comment on whether the system shown on the attached and described above and onour call meets the NFPA requirement or if it meets the definition of Equivalency as definedin Chapter 15 - Equivalency Thank you in advance for your consideration in this matter Please do not hesitate to contactme if there are any questions or concerns on this application ThanksJim Howard RFMPManager Maintenance amp UST ComplianceHess Corporation732-750-6220 (office)800-903-4801 (Emergency Hotline)E-mail UST Inspections to USTCompliancehesscomFax UST Inspections to 866-435-6744

This e-mail and any attachments are for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may containinformation that is confidential If you are not the intended recipient(s) and have received this e-mail in error please immediately notify the sender by return e-mail and delete this e-mail fromyour computer Any distribution disclosure or the taking of any other action by anyone other thanthe intended recipient(s) is strictly prohibited

From Benedetti BobTo Gary KostalCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiBcc May PaulSubject Inquiry NFPA 30 NFPA 30ADate Tuesday August 10 2010 43200 PM

Good afternoon Mr Kostal There are no provisions in NFPA 30 Flammable and Combustible Liquids Code togovern dispensing of motor fuels into motorized equipment and the devices youdescribe are not mentioned at all in NFPA 30 or in the only other related NFPAdocument that might apply NFPA 30A Code for Motor Fuel Dispensing Facilities andRepair Garages I cannot say that these units are either allowed or disallowed because neither NFPA30 nor NFPA 30A speaks about them The only provisions that might apply are the quantity limitations established in thesetwo codes depending on which code applies If the maintenance building is considered an industrial occupancy then Chapter 9 ofNFPA 30 establishes a maximum allowable quantity for of 120 gallons for Class Iliquids (The maximum allowable quantity is actually a threshold value Up to theMAQ compliance with NFPA 30 is not required above it NFPA 30 applies) If the maintenance building is considered a repair garage then NFPA 30A takesprecedence It also sets a 120 gallon limit on the maximum quantity of Class I liquid In both cases the quantity of fuel involved is 50 percent of the maximum allowed Myopinion is that there is no violation of either NFPA 30 or NFPA 30A Please understand that this response is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 ofNFPArsquos Regulations Governing Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon todefinitively determine compliance with any laws ordinances rules or regulations Todetermine legal compliance you should refer to the appropriate authority havingjurisdiction or seek legal advice It is not intended nor should it be relied upon toprovide professional consultation or services To determine the adequacy or safety ofany device or installation you should consult with an appropriate professional I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write Iwill be happy to assist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant toNFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does notnecessarily represent the official position of the NFPA or its Technical Committees Inaddition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it be relied upon to provideprofessional consultation or services cc 30IFI 30AIFI-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch Park

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Quincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg Important Notice This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPA RegulationsAny opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarily represent the officialposition of the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition this correspondence is neither intended norshould it be relied upon to provide professional consultation or services

Visit wwwfirepreventionweekorg or call 800-344-3555 for more information Check out FPW on social mediahellipwwwtwittercomfpw2010wwwfacebookcomfirepreventionweekhttpnfpatypepadcomfpw Check out NFPA onhellip

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From Gary Kostal [mailtogarykbloomingdalefirecom] Sent Monday August 09 2010 328 PMTo Benedetti BobSubject Looking for assistance - portable gas caddies Membership 2329840 Gary KostalFire Prevention DirectorBloomingdale Fire District Question (Non-formal opinion) I have a country club where they service a very large number of lawn maintenance equipment on a dailybasis They are utilizing a portable gas container (gas caddy) that holds approximately 30 gallons ofgasoline The unit is equipped with a hand style pump which is located on the top of the tank Fuel isdispensed from this tank as you crank the pump There are no nozzles located on the hose These gascaddies are being used inside their maintenance building which is fully fire sprinkled They are presentlyusing two of these devices inside the same building which is basically one days use

My question is are these devices allowed for this type of dispensing Are they required to be equippedwith a self closing nozzle What NFPA sections would apply to this particular type of device Thank you for your assistance in this matter

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From Benedetti BobTo SheldonSchallWisconsingovCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Wednesday September 30 2009 45929 PM

Good afternoon Sheldon I will here provide more detailed answers to your questions as posed in the email you sent to me today Section 30A-4323 limits tank storage capacity for Class I and II No limit for Class IIIA or IIIB

You are correct The intent of 4323 is to limit the capacities only of those tanks that storeClass I and II liquids Recall that when NFPA 30A initially allowed aboveground storage tanks atvehicle fueling sites biofuels were not in the picture just gasoline (Class I) and diesel fuel (ClassII) The Technical Committee at the time did not conceive that there would be the need to storeClass III fuels because there werenrsquot any The bottom line NFPA 30A does not limit the capacityof an aboveground storage tank that holds a motor fuel that is a Class III liquid

Section 30A-4324 refers to setbacks in Table 4324 No indication that these setbacks are specific toor exclude any class of flammable or combustible so it appears that the setbacks apply to Class I -Class IIIB liquids This table appears to conflict with the previous section for Class IIIA amp IIIB liquids

This is again correct that the separation distances in Table 4324 are not specific to anyparticular Class of liquid There is no conflict however 4323 deals with tank capacities 4324 deals with separation distances for the tanks Since 4324 does not specify anyparticular liquid class(es) it applies to ALL liquid classes

Section 30A-4325 allows an increased capacity for Class II and III liquids at fleet facilities Thisappears to conflict with section 4323 for Class III liquids which didnt have a capacity limit to startwith

Here there is a conflict or at least a serious inconsistency This provision was added one or twoeditions after 4323 and it appears that biofuels are beginning to be recognized It also appearsthat the intent here was to allow a relaxation of one limit in favor of a more liberal one Theproblem is the original limit doesnrsquot exist making it arguable that the application of 4325 toClass III liquids is meaningless Given the obvious intent here for some limit on Class III liquidfuels 4323 should be amended to include Class IIIs

Section 30A-4327 addresses dispensing from an aboveground tank for Class I and II liquids based uponspecific conditions

Paragraph 4322 is a hold-over dating back to when service stations were covered in Chapter 7of the old versions of NFPA 30 This set of requirements should also be amended to include ClassIIIs

Section 30A-4328 refers to NFPA 30-2171 for spill and overfill This section only applies to class Iand II liquids

While it is true that Subsection 2171 of NFPA 30 only applies to Classes I and II I do not believeit is a conflict for NFPA 30A to also apply it to Class III as well if the Technical Committee it isappropriate to do so However the language needs to be improved or an Annex item should beadded to explain the extrapolation and the reason for it

I will add this to the next meetingrsquos agenda for the Technical Committee on Automotive and MarineService Stations As usual the following applies Please understand that this response to your inquiry is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 of NFPArsquos RegulationsGoverning Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitively determine compliance with anylaws ordinances rules or regulations To determine the adequacy or safety of any device or installationyou should consult with an appropriate professional To determine legal compliance you should refer tothe appropriate authority having jurisdiction or seek legal advice

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I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will be happy toassist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarily represent the official positionof the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it berelied upon to provide professional consultation or services cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

Fire Prevention Week is October 4 ndash 10 2009 Visit wwwfirepreventionweekorg or call 800-344-3555 for moreinformation NFPA Seminars - Apply the codes with confidenceRegister at wwwnfpalearnorg NFPA Membership keeps you up-to-dateVisit wwwnfpaorgjoin for more information Or call 800-344-3555Notice The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for theexclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential andor privileged information If you are not the intendedrecipient please notify Robert Benedetti immediately by replying to the message or by calling (617) 984-7433 Please deletethis message and any attachments from your system Thank you Considering the variables in the sections referenced above are the setbacks in Table 4324 intended toapply to Class IIIA andor Class IIIB liquids for public fueling

From Schall Sheldon - COMMERCE [mailtoSheldonSchallWisconsingov] Sent Wednesday September 30 2009 832 AMTo Benedetti BobSubject NFPA 30A-4324 inquiry - URGENT Section 30A-4323 limits tank storage capacity for Class I and II No limit for Class IIIA or IIIB trueSection 30A-4324 refers to setbacks in Table 4324 No indication that these setbacks are specific toor exclude any class of flammable or combustible so it appears that the setbacks apply to Class I -Class IIIB liquids This table appears to conflict with the previous section for Class IIIA amp IIIB liquids Also trueSection 30A-4325 allows an increased capacity for Class II and III liquids at fleet facilities Thisappears to conflict with section 4323 for Class III liquids which didnt have a capacity limit to startwith Either one or the other needs to changeSection 30A-4327 addresses dispensing from an aboveground tank for Class I and II liquids based uponspecific conditions Need to cover IIIBSection 30A-4328 refers to NFPA 30-2171 for spill and overfill This section only applies to class Iand II liquids Class IIIs need to be specifically addressed Considering the variables in the sections referenced above are the setbacks in Table 4324 intended toapply to Class IIIA andor Class IIIB liquids for public fueling

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From Benedetti BobTo Bill HickmanCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Monday December 14 2009 50332 PM

Good afternoon Mr Hickman To answer your question the separation distances in Table 4324 of NFPA 30A Code for MotorFuel Dispensing Facilities and Repair Garages are intended to apply to outside abovegroundstorage tanks for fuel where such is allowed The tanks inside a service station building majorrepair garage or minor repair garage would likely be handling Class IIIB liquids (flash point gt200 degF) only in accordance with Subsection 4392 of NFPA 30A Subsection 4392 does not set any specific requirements for separation between tanks inside abuilding although it does refer back to Chapters 21 through 23 of NFPA 30 Flammable andCombustible Liquids Code Shell-to-shell spacing distances for aboveground tanks areestablished in Table 22421 Table 22421 is intended for much large tanks than one wouldfind in a repair garage or ldquolube-onlyrdquo facility For example the minimum separation for tanksstoring Class IIIB liquids is 3 feet as set forth in 224212 But again the separationdistances in Chapter 22 of NFPA 30 are intended for tank farm application not for the muchsmaller tanks found in the type of occupancy governed by NFPA 30A Also any facility meeting the requirements of NFPA 30A is considered to be in compliance withNFPA 30 Please understand that this response to your inquiry is a personal opinion and does notconstitute a Formal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 ofNFPArsquos Regulations Governing Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitivelydetermine compliance with any laws ordinances rules or regulations To determine theadequacy or safety of any device or installation you should consult with an appropriateprofessional To determine legal compliance you should refer to the appropriate authorityhaving jurisdiction or seek legal advice I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will behappy to assist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPARegulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarilyrepresent the official position of the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition thiscorrespondence is neither intended nor should it be relied upon to provide professional consultation orservices cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg If you have a reported fire in your home the risk of dyingdecreases by about 80 percent when sprinklers are present

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From Bill Hickman [mailtoBillHickmanstatecous] Sent Tuesday December 01 2009 939 AMTo Benedetti BobSubject Inquiry NFPA 30A - Storage of Liquids Inside Buildings Mr Benedetti Id appreciate your interpretation on an item regarding aboveground tanks storing lubricants (newused oil) inside abuilding at a repair garage NFPA 30A 439 does not include specific spacing requirements for tanks inside buildings Where there are multiple tanks being stored inside the building is there no minimum separation distance requirementthat must be met or do the requirements of Table 4324 apply Thank you in advance for your assistance __________________________________ Bill HickmanInspectorTechnical SpecialistCO Division of Oil amp Public Safety303-378-5090

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From Benedetti BobTo Peznowski EdwardCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Thursday September 03 2009 30455 PM

Hi Ed The 1996 edition of the Flammable and Combustible Liquids Code Handbook was the last one prior to thecurrent 2008 edition The commentary hasnrsquot changed My recollection of the development of this text is that the intent of NFPA 30A Code for Motor FuelDispensing Facilities and Repair Garages is to isolate the motor fuel dispensing area and its attendanthazard completely from the rest of the structure regardless of what else might be in the structure Subsection 524 assumes that the installation involves a motor fuel dispensing operation inside abuilding where you would not expect to have same such as an office building A bus repair facility wouldbe probably classed as a major repair garage and would be expected to have fueling operations Thehazard of this is in my opinion no greater than the repair operations It could be that the language in Subsection 524 needs to be clarified so that it applies only to situationssuch as I first described Please understand that this response to your inquiry is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 of NFPArsquos RegulationsGoverning Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitively determine compliance with anylaws ordinances rules or regulations To determine the adequacy or safety of any device or installationyou should consult with an appropriate professional To determine legal compliance you should refer tothe appropriate authority having jurisdiction or seek legal advice I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will be happy toassist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarily represent the official positionof the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it berelied upon to provide professional consultation or services cc 30AIFI 30AFAQ AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

Fire Prevention Week is October 4 ndash 10 2009 Visit wwwfirepreventionweekorg or call 800-344-3555 for moreinformation NFPA Seminars - Apply the codes with confidenceRegister at wwwnfpalearnorg NFPA Membership keeps you up-to-dateVisit wwwnfpaorgjoin for more information Or call 800-344-3555Notice The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for the

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From Peznowski Edward [mailtoEdwardPeznowskipostatectus] Sent Monday August 31 2009 127 PMTo Benedetti BobSubject NFPA 30A Hi Bob Sorry to bother you but I need your help and interpretation of the following section of NFPA 30A 2000edition 524 - All piping inside buildings but outside the motor fuel dispensing area shall be enclosed within ahorizontal chase or a vertical shaft used only for this piping Vertical shafts and horizontal chases shall beconstructed of materials having a fire resistance rating of not less than 2 hours Bob I have a bus repair facility being built and we have fuel dispensing area within the building enclosedwith a 2hr fire resistive separation My question is I have diesel fuel piping coming from two tanks locatedoutside of the building the piping runs outside of the dispensing area does this piping need to be enclosed Ihave the proper UL listed system for through wall penetrations My problem lies here I have natural gas heating fuel oil lines for boilers and diesel fuel line for thegenerator all running through the area outside the 2 hour rated dispensing area which are not required to beenclosed My thought is within the 2 hour fire resistive construction I have storage rooms for grease and oil a office forfuel dispensing Any fuel piping running through these areas would be enclosed but once I go outside my 2hrrated enclosure the piping would not have to be enclosed NFPA 30A (1996edition)6-42 - All fuel and flammable vapor piping inside buildings but outside the service station area shall beenclosed within a horizontal chase or a vertical shaft used only for this piping Vertical shafts and horizontalchases shall be constructed of materials having a fire resistance rating of not less than 2 hoursCOMMENTARY 6-42 The intent of this requirement is to preserve the isolation of the service stationoperation from the rest of the building I donrsquot have the 2000 handbook for commentary Thanks Bob Edward J PeznowskiFire amp Life Safety SpecialistBureau of EngineeringOffice State Fire Marshal860-685-8350

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From Benedetti BobTo Hamilton James P (HOY)Cc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiSubject Inquiry NFPA 30A-2008Date Monday September 14 2009 115041 AM

Good morning Mr Hamilton The intent of this particular provision of Subsection 672 of NFPA 30A Code for Motor Fuel DispensingFacilities and Repair Garages is to ensure that the patron has access to a second disconnect if he or shecannot reach the primary disconnect ie the one that is between 20 and 100 feet from the dispenser In my opinion all of the emergency disconnects required by Section 67 must be at least 20 ft but normore than 100 ft from the nearest dispenser Please understand that this response to your inquiry is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 of NFPArsquos RegulationsGoverning Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitively determine compliance with anylaws ordinances rules or regulations To determine the adequacy or safety of any device or installationyou should consult with an appropriate professional To determine legal compliance you should refer tothe appropriate authority having jurisdiction or seek legal advice I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will be happy toassist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarily represent the official positionof the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it berelied upon to provide professional consultation or services cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

Fire Prevention Week is October 4 ndash 10 2009 Visit wwwfirepreventionweekorg or call 800-344-3555 for moreinformation NFPA Seminars - Apply the codes with confidenceRegister at wwwnfpalearnorg NFPA Membership keeps you up-to-dateVisit wwwnfpaorgjoin for more information Or call 800-344-3555Notice The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for theexclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential andor privileged information If you are not the intendedrecipient please notify Robert Benedetti immediately by replying to the message or by calling (617) 984-7433 Please deletethis message and any attachments from your system Thank you

From Hamilton James P (HOY) [mailtoHAMILTONJPbechteljacobsorg] Sent Thursday September 10 2009 1224 PMTo Benedetti BobSubject NFPA 30A 2008 Edition

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Importance High

NFPA 30A 672 states at least one additional device or disconnect shall be readily accessible toeach group of dispensing devices on an individual island Our installation does not have islands Should the second emergency shutoff be installed close to the pumps or between 20 and 100 ofthe pumps

Please respond back via email hamiltonjpbechteljacobsorg

Thanks

NFPA 127130 James P Hamilton CFPSTetraTek Inc - Fire Safety TechnologiesFire Protection LeadK-27 Pre-Demo Project 790 Emory Valley Rd 811 Oak Ridge TN 37830 ETTP Office 865-241-1902

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From Benedetti BobTo Scott DavonskiCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Tuesday August 04 2009 92429 AM

Good morning Mr Davonski My opinion is that the intent of the requirement in Subsection 1141 of NFPA 30A Code for Motor FuelDispensing Facilities and Repair Garages is that any hose longer than 18 feet should not simply bestrung along the dockrsquos surface Using a reel would be one means of securing the hose although Irsquomsure other methods such as hangers would work as well Please understand that this response to your inquiry is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 of NFPArsquos RegulationsGoverning Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitively determine compliance with anylaws ordinances rules or regulations To determine the adequacy or safety of any device or installationyou should consult with an appropriate professional To determine legal compliance you should refer tothe appropriate authority having jurisdiction or seek legal advice I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will be happy toassist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarily represent the official positionof the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it berelied upon to provide professional consultation or services cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

Fire Prevention Week is October 4 ndash 10 2009 Visit wwwfirepreventionweekorg or call 800-344-3555 for moreinformation NFPA Seminars - Apply the codes with confidenceRegister at wwwnfpalearnorg NFPA Membership keeps you up-to-dateVisit wwwnfpaorgjoin for more information Or call 800-344-3555Notice The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for theexclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential andor privileged information If you are not the intendedrecipient please notify Robert Benedetti immediately by replying to the message or by calling (617) 984-7433 Please deletethis message and any attachments from your system Thank you

From Scott Davonski [mailtodavonskiRiverheadlicom] Sent Wednesday July 22 2009 1118 AMTo Benedetti BobSubject 30A clarification

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1141 All hose shall be listed Where hose length exceeds 55 m (18 ft) the hose shall besecured so as to protect it from damage Can you provide clarification as to what is meant by ldquosecured so as to protect it fromdamagerdquo Is the standard looking not to have the hoses on the dock In a reel Any clarificationinformation would be appreciated Scott W DavonskiChief Fire MarshalTown of RiverheadP- 631-727-3200 ext 209F- 631-727-3370

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Page 7: TECHNICAL COMMITTEE ON AUTOMOTIVE and MARINE … · SUBJECT: Agenda for ROC Meeting – October 4, 2010 _____ Ladies and Gentlemen: Attached is the Agenda for the NFPA 30A Report

AUV Revised Scope Statement2010-01-06doc

TECHNICAL COMMITTEE ON AUTOMOTIVE and MARINE SERVICE STATIONS

SCOPE STATEMENT

This Committee shall have primary responsibility for documents on safeguarding against the fire and explosion hazards associated with the general storage handling and dispensing of flammable and combustible liquids and gaseous motor fuels at motor fuel dispensing facilities service stations and with related activities such as operation inspection maintenance and repair of dispensing system components and dispensing gaseous fuels This committee shall also have primary responsibility for documents on construction control of fire hazards ventilation fire protection and maintenance of repair facilities garages This committee shall not have responsibility for the dispensing of gaseous fuels at facilities where no liquid fuels are dispensed including residential occupancies ie dispensing of gaseous fuels as covered by NFPA 2 Hydrogen Technologies Code and NFPA 52 Vehicular Fuel Systems Code Responsible for NFPA 30A Code for Motor Fuel Dispensing Facilities and Repair Garages

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AUV Committee Balancedoc - 8122010

TECHNICAL COMMITTEE ON AUTOMOTIVE and MARINE SERVICE STATIONS

COMMITTEE MEMBERSHIP BALANCE SUMMARY

AUV-AAA NFPA 30A

Members 24 M 7 (29) U 5 (21) Voting Alternates 0 IM 3 (13) LC 0 Alternates 7 RT 2 (8) E 3 (13)

Non-Voting 2 I 2 (8) SE 2 (8) Emeritus 1

Task Group 0 Hold List 0 Balance OK (CNG equipment 1 dispensing nozzles 0 dispensing system components 2 fire suppression equipment 1 LNG dispensing systems 1 storage tanks 2) (fleet operators 2 independent retail 1 lube-only facilities 1 major retail 0 marine facilities 1) (fire suppression systems 1 fuel dispensing systems 1 LPG dispensing systems 1)

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MASTER SCHEDULE2011 Annual Cycledoc

2011 ANNUAL REVISION CYCLE

PROCESS STAGE PROCESS STEP

DATES FOR TC

DATES FOR TCC

COMPLETION

DATE

VERIFY MATERIAL

IN FILE 1 PRELIMINARY 10 Notification of intent to enter cycle 71009 71009

2 REPORT ON PROPOSALS

(ROP)

21 Proposal closing date 112409 112409

22 Final date for ROP meeting 22610 2510 23 Final date for mailing TC ballots 31910 21910 24 Receipt of (TC) ballots by staff liaison 42310 31210 25 Receipt of TC recirculation ballots 5710 31910 26 Final date for TCC meeting 41610 27 Final date for mailing TCC ballots 42310 28 Receipt of TCC ballots 51410 29 Receipt of TCC recirculation ballots 52110 210 Final copy (w ballot statements) to Secretary Standards Council

51410 52810

211 Completion of Reports 52110 6410 212 ROP Published and Posted 62510 62510

3 REPORT ON

COMMENTS (ROC)

31 Comment closing date 9310 9310 32 Final date for ROC meeting 11510 10810 33 Final date for mailing TC ballots 111910 102210 34 Receipt of (TC) ballots by staff liaison 12310 111210 35 Receipt of TC recirculation ballots 121010 111910 36 Final date for TCC meeting 121710 37 Final date for mailing TCC ballots 122210 38 Receipt of TCC ballots 11411 39 Receipt of TCC recirculation ballots 12111 310 Final copy (w ballot statements) to Secretary Standards Council

122210 12811

311 Completion of Reports 11411 2411 312 ROC Published and Posted 22511 22511

TECH SESSION PREPARATION amp ISSUANCE OF

CONSENT DOCUMENTS

41 Notice of Intent to Make a Motion (NITMAM) Closing Date

4811 4811

42 Posting of Filed NITMAM 5611 5611 43 Council Issuance Date for Consent Documents 53111 53111 44 Appeal Closing Date for Consent Documents 61511 61511

TECHNICAL SESSION

50 Association Meeting for Documents with Certified Amending Motions

612-1611 612-1611

APPEALS amp ISSUANCE OF DOCUMENTS

WCAMS

61 Appeal closing date for Documents with Certified Amending Motions

7611 7611

62 Council issuance for Documents with Certified Amending Motions

8411 8411

Proposal Closing Dates may vary according to documents and schedules for Revision Cycles may change Please check the NFPA website (wwwnfpaorg) for the most up-to-date information on proposal closing dates and schedules

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TIA 9852010-06-15 ndash IFMA Counterproposaldoc

Proposed TIA to NFPA 30A-2008 1 Add a new definition of ldquoalcohol blended motor fuelrdquo to read as follows

ldquo33X Alcohol Blended Motor Fuel Motor fuel consisting of a blend of alcohol such as ethanol and gasoline with an alcohol concentration greater than 10 percent by volume including those with nominally 85 percent ethanol 15 percent unleaded gasoline (E85)rdquo

2 Revise 632 to read

ldquo632 Dispensing devices for Class I and II liquids shall be listed for the specific fuels being dispensed A632 See UL 87 Standard for Power-Operated Dispensing Devices for Petroleum Products or UL SU87A Outline for Power-Operated Dispensing Devices for Gasoline and GasolineEthanol Blends with Nominal Concentrations up to 85 Percent 6321 Existing listed or labeled dispensing devices shall be permitted to be modified provided that the modifications made are ldquoListed by Reportrdquo by an approved testing laboratory or as otherwise approved by the authority having jurisdiction Modification proposals shall contain a description of the component parts used in the modification and the recommended methods of installation on specific dispensing devices Modification proposals shall be made available to the authority having jurisdiction upon request 6322 Existing dispensing devices shall be listed for the specific fuel or fuels being dispensed 63221 Where existing dispensing devices are not listed for a specific fuel or fuels see Section 15 Equivalency A6322 1 The authority having jurisdiction by virtue of Section 15 may approve the use of existing equipment for fuels for which no listing is available Where the authority having jurisdiction approves the use of an existing dispensing device or existing related dispensing equipment for use with alcohol blended motor fuels the approval of the dispensing device and related dispensing equipment may be based on the following (1) The dispensing device and related dispensing equipment should be listed for dispensing of gasoline motor fuel and (2) The dispensing device and related dispensing equipment should be inspected by a person who is knowledgeable in the operation of the equipment to verify that it is in proper working order and is not leaking as described in (a) and (b) (a) A visual inspection of the fuel dispenser and its associated hanging hardware should be conducted ldquoHanging hardwarerdquo includes the following components that might be present hose nozzle valve hose breakaway valve and hose swivel Inspections should be conducted at least weekly and should be documented Documentation should be available for review by the authority having jurisdiction upon request (b) An inspection of the fuel-dispensing equipment that is located inside the dispenser cabinet should be conducted The interior of the dispenser cabinet should

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TIA 9852010-06-15 ndash IFMA Counterproposaldoc

be inspected for signs of leaks damage corrosion or weathering with particular attention to the sump area and joints and castings of fuel handling components The inspection should be conducted at least monthly and should be documented Documentation should be available for review by the authority having jurisdiction upon request (c) If a leak is discovered use of the affected dispensing device should be discontinued until repairs can be made The authority having jurisdiction is provided with the ability to approve for use with mid-level alcohol blended motor fuels (eg E15 15 percent ethanol 85 percent unleaded gasoline) dispensing devices and related dispensing equipment currently listed for use with E10 (10 percent ethanol 90 percent unleaded gasoline) Approval of the dispensing device or related dispensing equipment for use with alcohol blended motor fuel requires that the dispensing device and related dispensing equipment be listed for use with E10 and that periodic inspection be conducted to verify that the equipment is functioning properly Useful forms for documenting inspections can be found in PEIRP500-05 Recommended Practices for Inspection and Maintenance of Motor Fuel Dispensing Equipment and are also available at wwwpeiorgrp500 In addition the authority having jurisdiction may take into account other factors including actual field experience evidence of compatibility (eg manufacturerrsquos declaration) and functionality by government agencies trade associations and testing laboratories Underwriters Laboratories Inc has listed dispensing devices and related dispensing equipment for alcohol blended motor fuels up to E10 and more recently has begun listing dispensing devices for alcohol blended motor fuels up to E25 (25 percent ethanol 75 percent unleaded gasoline) However the majority of existing dispensing devices and related dispensing equipment currently in service at motor fuel dispensing facilities are not listed for use with alcohol blended motor fuels with more than 10 percent ethanol While higher alcohol blended motor fuels (eg E85 85 percent ethanol 15 percent unleaded gasoline) are typically sold as an alternative to E10 the mid-level alcohol blended motor fuels such as E15 if approved by the U S Environmental Protection Agency might likely become a replacement for current motor fuels either through state or federal mandates or because of supply chain restrictions In order to maintain the supply of motor fuel this might require the sale of mid-level blends through the existing dispensing devices and related dispensing equipmentrdquo

3 Revise 651 to read

ldquo651 Listed hose assemblies shall be used to dispense fuels shall be listed for the specific fuels being dispensed Hose length at automotive motor fuel dispensing facilities shall not exceed 55 m (18 ft) Where hose length at marine motor fuel dispensing facilities exceeds 55 m (18 ft) the hose shall be secured so as to protect it from damage (See A63221)rdquo

4 Revise 661 to read

ldquo661 An automatic-closing-type hose nozzle valve listed in accordance with UL 842 Standard for Valves for Flammable Fluids and listed for the specific fuels being dispensed with or without latch-open device shall be provided on island-type dispensing devices used to dispense Class I or Class II liquids (See A63221)rdquo

5 Revise 681 and 682 to read

TIA 9852010-06-15 ndash IFMA Counterproposaldoc

ldquo681 Dispensing devices that incorporate vapor recovery shall be listed for the specific fuels being dispensed (See A63221) 682 Hose nozzle valves used on vapor recovery systems shall be listed for the purpose and for the specific fuels being dispensed (See A63221)rdquo

6 Add a new entry to Table B1 Typical Flammable and Combustible Liquids Found at Motor Fuel Dispensing Facilities to read as follows

ldquoAlcohol Blended Motor Fuel -40 degF ndash 55 degF Class IB varies nardquo A6321 proposed 6231 and its annex all becomes annex material gtgtgt New lead-in Where modifications are made 2 Add a new Subsection 623 and an accompanying annex text to read as follows A6322 Where dispensing devices and related dispensing equipment including dispensers hoses nozzles breakaway fittings swivels flexible connectors dispenser emergency shutoff valves and vapor recovery systems and pumps are propose for use for alcohol blended motor fuels they should be listed Where there is currently no listing see 15 for equivalencies Section 15 permits the authority having jurisdiction to approve non-listed components for the specific for the specific fuel being dispensed Where the authority having jurisdiction approves the use of a dispensing device or related dispensing equipment for use with alcohol blended motor fuels the approval of the dispensing device and related dispensing equipment could include the following (1) The dispensing device and related dispensing equipment shall be listed for dispensing of gasoline motor fuel and (2) The dispensing device and related dispensing equipment shall be periodically inspected by a person who is knowledgeable in the operation of the equipment to verify that it is in proper working order and is not leaking as described in (a) and (b) (a) A visual inspection of the fuel dispenser and its associated hanging hardware shall be conducted ldquoHanging hardwarerdquo shall include the following components that might be present hose nozzle valve hose breakaway valve and hose swivel Inspections shall be conducted at least weekly and shall be documented Documentation shall be available for review by the authority having jurisdiction upon request (b) An inspection of the fuel-dispensing equipment that is located inside the dispenser cabinet shall be conducted The interior of the dispenser cabinet shall be inspected for signs of leaks damage corrosion or weathering with particular attention to the sump area and joints and castings of fuel handling components The inspection shall be conducted at least monthly and shall be documented Documentation shall be available for review by the authority having jurisdiction upon request NEEDS TO TELL WHAT TO DO BEYOND MERE DOCUMENTATION ALSO NEED TO REPLACE ldquoPERIODICrdquo WITH FIRM TIME A623 See UL SU87A Outline for Power-Operated Dispensing Devices for Gasoline and GasolineEthanol Blends with Nominal Concentrations up to 85 Percent

TIA 9852010-06-15 ndash IFMA Counterproposaldoc

A6231 The authority having jurisdiction is provided with the ability to approve for use with mid-level alcohol blended motor fuels (eg E15 15 percent ethanol 85 percent unleaded gasoline) dispensing devices and related dispensing equipment currently listed for use with E10 (10 percent ethanol 90 percent unleaded gasoline) Approval of the dispensing device or related dispensing equipment for use with alcohol blended motor fuel requires that the dispensing device and related dispensing equipment be listed for use with E10 and that periodic inspection be conducted to verify that the equipment is functioning properly Useful forms for documenting inspections can be found in PEIRP500-05 Recommended Practices for Inspection and Maintenance of Motor Fuel Dispensing Equipment and are also available at wwwpeiorgrp500 In addition the authority having jurisdiction may take into account other factors including actual field experience evidence of compatibility (eg manufacturerrsquos declaration) and functionality by government agencies trade associations and testing laboratories Underwriters Laboratories Inc has listed dispensing devices and related dispensing equipment for alcohol blended motor fuels up to E10 and more recently has begun listing dispensing devices for alcohol blended motor fuels up to E25 (25 percent ethanol 75 percent unleaded gasoline) However the majority of existing dispensing devices and related dispensing equipment currently in service at motor fuel dispensing facilities are not listed for use with alcohol blended motor fuels with more than 10 percent ethanol While higher alcohol blended motor fuels (eg E85 85 percent ethanol 15 percent unleaded gasoline) are typically sold as an alternative to E10 the mid-level alcohol blended motor fuels such as E15 if approved by the U S Environmental Protection Agency might likely become a replacement for current motor fuels either through state or federal mandates or because of supply chain restrictions In order to maintain the supply of motor fuel this might require the sale of mid-level blends through the existing dispensing devices and related dispensing equipmentrdquo

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4 33 Various Definitions (New)- ( )30A- AUV-AAA A2011

5 92- ( )30A- AUV-AAA A2011

6 233- ( )30A- AUV-AAA A2011

7 11721 (New)- ( )30A- AUV-AAA A2011

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8 623 (New)- ( )30A- AUV-AAA A2011

3 Table 831- ( )30A- AUV-AAA A2011

9 Figure 831(B)- ( )30A- AUV-AAA A2011

5 92- ( )30A- AUV-AAA A2011

7 11721 (New)- ( )30A- AUV-AAA A2011

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Report on Comments ndash June 2011 NFPA 30A_______________________________________________________________________________________________30A- Log 6

_______________________________________________________________________________________________John F Bender Underwriters Laboratories Inc

30A-6Revise text as follows

Underwriters Laboratories Inc 333 Pfingsten Road Northbrook IL 60062-2096UL 87 Standard for Power-Operated Dispensing Devices for Petroleum Products 2001 Revised 2008ANSIUL 842 Standard for Valves for Flammable Fluids 2007 Revised 2010UL 2080 Standard for Fire Resistant Tanks for Flammable and Combustible Liquids 2000ANSIUL 2085 Standard for Protected Aboveground Tanks for Flammable and Combustible Liquids 1997 Revised

1999UL 2245 Standard for Below-Grade Vaults for Flammable Liquid Storage Tanks 2006

Updated referenced standards to most recent revisions Add ANSI approval designation to ANSIUL842 and ANSIUL 2085

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Report on Comments ndash June 2011 NFPA 30A_______________________________________________________________________________________________30A- Log 4

_______________________________________________________________________________________________Marshall A Klein Marshall A Klein amp Associates Inc

30A-7Revise text to read as follows

331 Basement Basement For the purposes of this code a story of a building or structure having one-half or more ofits height below ground level and to which access for fire-fighting purposes is restricted [302008] Any story of a buildingwholly or partly below grade plane that is not considered the first story above grade plane (Also see 33X ldquoFirst StoryAbove Grade Planerdquo 33Y ldquoGrade Planerdquo and 33Z ldquoStoryrdquo) [5000 2009]33X First Story Above Grade Plane Any story having its finished floor surface entirely above grade plane except

that a basement shall be considered as a first story above grade plane where the finished surface of the floor above thebasement is (1) more than 6 ft (1830 mm) above grade plane or (2) more than 12 ft (3660 mm) above the finished levelat any point (See also 33Z ldquoStoryrdquo) [5000 2009]33Z Story The portion of a building located between the upper surface of a floor and the upper surface of the floor or

roof next above [5000 2009]33Y Grade Plane A reference plane representing the average of the finished ground level adjoining the building at all

exterior walls When the finished ground level slopes down from the exterior walls the grade plane is established by thelowest points within the area between the building and the lot line or when the lot line is more than 6 ft (1830 mm) fromthe building between the building and a point 6 ft (1830 mm) from the building (See also 33W ldquoFinished Ground Level(Graderdquo) [5000 2009]33W Finished Ground Level (Grade) The level of the finished ground (earth or other surface on ground) (See also33Y ldquoGrade Planerdquo) [5000 2009]

The Committeersquos substantiation for this Committee Proposal was ldquoThis definition is the preferreddefinition from the NFPA Glossary of Terms Changing the secondary definition to the preferred definition complies withthe Glossary of Terms Projectrdquo Also the Committeersquos statement said in part ldquohellipThe key issue relative to NFPA 30A issafe access to and evacuation from the basement area by emergency responders during an emergencyrdquo

Since the first edition of the NFPA 5000 Building Code the NFPA 30A Committee has attempted to be in correlationwith NFPA 5000 and the other Model Building Code in the the United States IBC The dispensing facilities and repairgarage buildings constructed under the NFPA 30A are also required to comply with the local building code which will beeither NFPA 5000 or IBC The proposed definition for ldquobasementrdquo that is taken from NFPA 30 is more suited for thelarger flammable and combustible types of facilities built under NFPA 30 not the service centersrepair garages builtunder NFPA 30A and the building codes

NFPA 30A should stay with its present position to correlate with the definition for a ldquobasementrdquo with NFPA 5000ldquoBuilding Construction and safety Coderdquo and not replace this definition with the one that is in NFPA 30 ldquoFlammable andCombustible Liquids Coderdquo

The term ldquobasementrdquo is only used in the NFPA 30A Code in Section 423 that deals with ignitable vapors in abasement or pit and Section 746 that applies when sprinklers are required to be installed in the basement of a majorrepair garage The two NFPA 30A sections on basements relate more to the application of the requirements in NFPA5000 and IBC than to the requirements in NFPA 30 ldquoFlammable and Combustible Liquids Coderdquo As I have notedabove during the development of the NFPA 5000 Building Code the NFPA 30A Committee was very careful tocorrelate its requirements with NFPA 5000 NFPA 101 amp IBC so that there would be minimum conflicts in theapplication of the requirements of NFPA 30A with these other Codes that greatly impact the design and construction ofMotor Fuel Dispensing Facilities and Repair Garages The definition of ldquobasementrdquo is critically important forbuilding design and should be correlated with the building codes used throughout the US and we should not use adifferent definition for basement that would cause confusion and cost in the design and application of the NFPA 30Arequirements where NFPA 5000 NFPA 101 or IBC Codes are also adopted

I have also included the addition of the definitions of ldquoFirst Story Above Grade Planerdquo ldquoStoryrdquo ldquoGrade Planerdquo andldquoFinished Ground Level (Grade)rdquo from NFPA 5000 to provide complete correlation on these building definitions withNFPA 5000 and the IBC For individuals using NFPA 30A that are only used to working with NFPA 30 these definitions

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Report on Comments ndash June 2011 NFPA 30Amay seem like overkill but to the great majority of code officials designers and owners of these types of dispensingfacilities and repair garages correlation of these terms with NFPA 5000 and IBC are critical to prevent major conflictsdelays and cost increases in interpretations and applications of code requirements between the building departmentsand fire departments

In summation based on the two sections in NFPA 30A that cover a ldquobasementrdquo requirement it serves the public interestbetter to use the ldquobasementrdquo definition and its related building definitions from NFPA 5000 to properly correlate with themodel buildings codes not NFPA 30

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Report on Comments ndash June 2011 NFPA 30A_______________________________________________________________________________________________30A- Log 1

_______________________________________________________________________________________________Alex Ralston Petcon Inc

NARevise text to read as follows

Means shall be provided to sound an audible alarm when the liquid level in the tank reaches 90 percent of capacityMeans shall also be provided either to automatically stop the flow of liquid into the tank when the liquid level reaches 98percent capacity or to restrict the flow of liquid into the tank to a maximum flow rate of 95L min (25 gpm) when theliquid level in the tank reaches 95 percent capacityThe federal underground storage tank rules state that means shall be provided to stop the flow of liquid into the tank

when the liquid reaches 95 percent capacity or restrict the flow into the tank when the liquid level reaches 90 percentcapacity

None given

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Report on Comments ndash June 2011 NFPA 30A_______________________________________________________________________________________________30A- Log 2

_______________________________________________________________________________________________Alex Ralston Petcon Inc

NARevise text to read as follows

On remote pressure pumping systems each pump shall have installed on the discharge side a listed leak detectiondevice that will provide an audible or visible indication if the piping and dispensing devices are not liquid tight Replace with device that will either restrict the flow of product to the dispenser or shut-off the flow of product to

indicate if the piping and dispensing devices are liquid tightThe explanation attempts to explain the federal underground storage tank regulations however the

regulation that provides for an audible or visible alarm relates to overfill prevention in federal regulations not leakdetectionThe regulations on leak detection for pressurized piping in the explanation are correct but if youll note nowhere in the

explanation is audible or visual alarms mentioned

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Report on Comments ndash June 2011 NFPA 30A_______________________________________________________________________________________________30A- Log 8

_______________________________________________________________________________________________Robert Bourke Northeastern Regional Fire Code Development Committee

30A-42Revise to read 623 Fuel-dispensing systems including dispensers hoses nozzleshelliphelliphellip

blended motor fuels shall be listed or approved for the specific purposeThis requirement should only be stating that the equipment is listed for the specific purpose

ldquoApprovedrdquo by definition means ldquoacceptable to the AHJrdquoToo often a Standard may misuse the word ldquoapprovedrdquo in order to not exclude other listing organizations that publish

its list in a document that they refer to as an ldquoApproval Guiderdquo Regardless the document is still a listing

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Report on Comments ndash June 2011 NFPA 30A_______________________________________________________________________________________________30A- Log 3

_______________________________________________________________________________________________David B Wechsler The Dow Chemical Company

30A-34Revise and add new sentences shown under 831 and A831 and modify Table 831 as

indicated831 Table 831 shall be used to delineate and classify areas for the purposes of installing electrical wiring and

electrical utilization equipment (See also Figure 831) WARNING The US National Electrical Code has differentequipment and installation requirements from other International Standards Therefore for example equipment used inEurope may not be acceptable for installation in the USA831 The designation and decision installation and use of electrical equipment for Classes and Divisions in

hazardous (classified) locations are defined Article 500 501 and 504 of NFPA 70 National Electrical Code Thedesignation and design installation and use of electrical equipment for Classes and Zones in hazardous (classified)locations are defined in Article 505 and 504 of NFPA 70 National Electrical Code The designation and designinstallation and use of electrical equipment in lsquoZonesrsquo Zone 0 Zone 1 and Zone 2 are addressed in other internationalstandardsWithin Table 831 add a new column titled ldquoZones and copy the information from the Class I Zone column into this

new columnAlternatively to all of the above remove the ldquoZonesrdquo column completely from Table 831

While the stated intent of this proposal is understood as being to try and deal with the internationalnature of applying NFPA 30A there are problems with the approach presented by a simple extraction from the NECFirst as presented the new column only addresses the US Zone methodology The US Zone methodology for

flammable vapor gases liquids and combustible vapors and liquids is identified by the terms lsquoClass I Zone 0rsquo lsquoClass IZone 1rsquo and lsquoClass I Zone 2rsquo However under the IEC or ATEX (aka Europe International) the terms are simply lsquoZone0rsquo lsquoZone 1rsquo or lsquoZone 2rsquo Therefore the table revision is not correct for international useSecond this TIA and proposal was to lsquoincorporate the (European) Zone System of designating hazardous (classified)

locations and the allowable wiring methods and electrical utilization devices that can be used in themrsquo However the USNEC is not an international code Thus while the US NEC Article 505 does permit the use of the Class I Zonemethodology adding this column in NFPA 30A does not address the more complex nature of the design and installationproblems associated with Zone certified equipment in the US The NEC under Article 5059 Equipment provides for theuse of only AEx equipment as may be seen for example under paragraph ldquo(2) Zone Equipment Equipment meeting oneor more of the protection techniques described in 5058 shall be marked with all of the following in the order shown(1) Class(2) Zone(3) Symbol ldquoAExrdquo(4) Protection technique(s) in accordance with Table 5059(C)(2)(4)(5) Applicable gas classification group(s) in accordance with Table 9(C)(1)(2)Without adding additional text usersinspectors etc may think using Zones is just like using the Division methodology

This is not true and equipment not otherwise permitted under the US NEC may be installed because of the impliedactions currently reflected in this proposal This is a significant issue

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Report on Comments ndash June 2011 NFPA 30A_______________________________________________________________________________________________30A- Log 9

_______________________________________________________________________________________________Donald R Offerdahl North Dakota State Electrical Board

30A-36Insert figure for 831(B)

Insert Artwork Figure 831(A) and 831(B) Here

Proposal 30A-36 should have been accepted in principal these types of storage tanks and dispensersare widely used in farms construction sites and business fleet operations

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Report on Comments ndash June 2011 NFPA 30A_______________________________________________________________________________________________30A- Log 5

_______________________________________________________________________________________________Mindy Wang Ampco Safety Tools

30A-39Not proposing new text Please see comment in Substantiation

Although procedures for cleanup of spills is not within the scope of NFPA 30A we feel compelled toaddress API 2214 referenced by the Committee Information presented below shows API 2214 is misleading andundermines safe work practices In fact API 2214 conflicts with OSHA regulations Accredited Standards Developerrsquosstandards and safe work practices FM Approvals LLC formerly Factory Mutual Research Corporation (FM) is an international organization recognized

by the US government as a Nationally Recognized Testing Laboratory (NRTL) for scientific research and productcertification Product approval from a NRTL assures that products meet consensus-based standards of safety to providethe assurance required by OSHA that these products are safe for use in the United States workplace FM ApprovalStandard 7910 Spark Resistant Tools is used as guidance to evaluate tools intended for use in environments wherethere is a risk of ignition of flammable materials dusts or vapors resulting from sparks created by iron and steel handtools These tools prevent the ignition of flammable materials dusts or vapors by mechanical sparks created by the useof iron and steel hand tools slipping or striking a surface American Petroleum Institute (API) Publication 2214contradicts NRTL research and product certification as evidence in FM Approvals granted for spark resistance toolsFM has conducted tests of Ampco Safety Tools as covered in Report Job Identification No IN4A0AF in accordancewith the requirements of Safety Tools Approval Test Procedure Class 7910 and test results show

Sparks created from steel plates ignited carbon disulfide saturated pads eight of eight tests ethyl ether pads fiveof eight tests and naphtha VMampP four of eight tests

No sparks were observed and no ignition of the flammable liquids mentioned above from approved Ampco SafetyTools Other investigations also contradict APIrsquos conclusion on non-sparking tools A paper published in the Fire Protection

Journal ldquoThe Danger of Incendive Sparksrdquo stated that after APIrsquos conclusion on ldquonon-sparkingrdquo tools Institute ofPetroleum sought the advice of the Fire Research Board Committee on Industrial Fires and Explosion This committeecame to certain conclusions one of which was ldquoUntilhellipevidence is obtained to show that the impact of steel hand toolson steel is safe it is advisable to use non-sparking tools in situations where flammable atmospheres are unavoidablerdquo The NFPA Fire Protection Handbook 20th edition published in January 2008 does not support the conclusion that

API 2214 represents In fact many NFPA codes the use of ldquonon-sparkingrdquo tools in flammable atmospheresAccording to NFPA Fire Protection Handbook ldquoWhen flammable and combustible liquids are stored or handled theliquid is usually exposed to the air at some stage in the operation except where the storage is confined to sealedcontainers that are not filled or opened on the premises or where handling is in closed systems and vapor losses arerecovered Even when the storage or handling is in a closed system there is always the possibility of breaks or leakswhich permit the liquid to escape It is a to eliminate sources of ignition in places where low flashpointflammable liquids are stored handled or used even though no vapor may ordinarily be presentrdquo NFPA 921 Guide for Fire and Explosion Investigations 2008 Edition Chapter 5 Basic Fire Science Table 5711

Reported Burning and Sparking Temperature of Selected Ignition Sources under Mechanical Sparks lists a Steel tooltemperature at 2550degF When working with flammable gases liquids or vapors a potential hazard arises because of thepossibility that sparks produced by steel or iron tools can become an ignition source OSHA Flammable and Combustible Liquids regulation 29 CFR Parts 1910106(b) on tank storage paragraph

1910106(b)(6) states that precaution shall be taken to eliminate or control sources of ignitions including frictional heatand mechanical sparks to prevent the ignition of flammable vapors In OSHA regulation 29 CFR 1910146 Permit-Required Confined Spaces Appendix D Confined Space Pre-Entry

Check List non-sparking tool is listed as one type of entry equipment OSHA 29 CFR 1910146 StandardInterpretations Interpretative guidance and equipment approved for hazardous locations relative to the Permit-RequiredConfined Spaces states that ldquohellipthe standard does not prohibit entry into a permit space where a hazardous flammableatmosphere is at or above the 10 LFL For concentrations at or above 10 LFL paragraph (d) would theemployer to incorporate safe work procedures to address the flammableexplosive hazard (such as equipment approvedfor hazardous locations) in the entry plan for those spaces Electrical equipment as well as other sources of ignition(non-sparking hand tools) be considered and addressed for the hazardous atmosphererdquo OSHA regulation 29 CFR Parts 1910120 Hazardous waste operations and emergency response paragraph

1910120(j)(2)(v) requires that ldquoWhen there is a reasonable possibility of flammable atmospheres being present

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Report on Comments ndash June 2011 NFPA 30Amaterial handling equipment and hand tools shall be of the type to prevent sources of ignition EPA has identifiedsolvents such as xylene acetone ethyl acetate ethyl benzene and ethyl ether commonly used in all industries (theF-list) and discarded commercial chemical products such as acetone benzene ethyl ether and xylene (the P-list andU-list) as ignitable hazardous wastes API members such as ExxonMobil and Chevron as well as others in the petroleum industry such as Valero CITGO

Petroleum Corporation Chem-Supply Pty Ltd Irving Oil Ltd Petrol Star Inc Nova Chemicals and El Paso Corporationregularly the use of ldquonon-sparkingrdquo tools under Accidental Release Measures and Handling and Storage sectionsin the MSDSrsquos for their petroleum products These companies clearly recognize the need for ldquonon-sparkingrdquo tools inworking with and around flammable materials API 2214 Section 12 Background ldquohellipthese engineers pointed out that although numerous opportunities existed for

the production of sparks from violent contact of steel objects with other steel objects there was a negligible record offires resulting from such a causerdquo On the contrary there are a number of documented incidents involving flammablevapors ignited by steel sparks from tools A few examples are as follows

OSHA inspection 300965795 an employee in the process of cleaning loose material from drill piping with ametal hammer While striking the pipe with a hammer an explosion occurred Employee was killed in the explosion onsite

OSHA inspection 2272953 two employees were assigned the job of tending a 100 gallon (water jacket) reactorkettle of methyl methacrylate in the mixing room Employee 1 used a metal wrench (visegrips) to pry open the cover ofa kettle The wrench handle struck the angle iron support for the agitator motor producing a spark Employee 2noticed the spark which was immediately followed by a massive ldquofire ballrdquo Both employees were engulfed in thefireball Employee 3 came to the area to assist the other employees The investigation states that non-sparking toolswere not provided for the employees All three employees received first and second degree burns on their face armsand abdomen Employee 2 also received some third degree burns All three employees were hospitalized

OSHA inspection 124728437 Employee 1 and a coworker both maintenance mechanics were working in a 30inch by 36 inch manhole at a gas station Employee 1 was trying to change a fuel pump while the coworker watchedfrom outside the manhole Employee 1 was using an Allen wrench to loosen the bolts on the fuel pump lead when hecreated a spark that ignited the gas fumes in the manhole causing an explosion Employee 1 suffered burns to hisface hands arms and legs in the explosion and was hospitalized

OSHA inspection 111109237 Employee 1 or 3 attempted to cut a metal pipe with a metal saw whileEmployee 2 was standing on top of one of two 5000 gallon gas tanks trying to remove a tank fitting Sparks from thesaw the pipe wrench or another unknown source ignited the gas vapors which exploded Employees 1 and 3 werekilled of burns at the scene Employee 2 died at the burn center as a result of burns sustained in the explosion

OSHA inspection 102826625 Employee 1 worked for a company that cleans paints and replaces valves in LPand MAPP gas cylinders Before removing an old valve Employee 1 would open the valve to let the residual gas leakout on the loading dock Where there was a large quantity of cylinders Employee 1 would invert the cylinder so theresidual gas could vent faster Employee 1 had an accumulation of a gas and air mixture around his work area Thevapors were ignited either by a spark from the metal screwdriver he was using to open a damaged valve or by an openflame burner approximately 40 feet away There was a fire and explosion The employee sustained 2nd and 3rd degreeburns on the lower half of his body and was hospitalized

OSHA inspection 607366 an employee was sawing an airplane wing into sections with a portable powered handsaw the saw created a spark that caused an explosion of gasoline vapors in the wing fuel tank Employee 1 killed andEmployee 2 injured in explosion and was hospitalized

OSHA inspection 309178523 employer was cited for violating Section 5(a)(1) of the Occupational Safety andHealth Act of 1970 often referred to as the General Duty Clause which requires employers to furnish to each of hisemployees employment and a place of employment which are free from recognized hazards that are causing or arelikely to cause death or serious physical harm to his employees for exposing employee to an explosion hazard byopening the hydrogen tube trailer main valve without using non-sparking tools

OSHA inspection 304994304 employer was cited for violating Section 5(a)(1) of the Occupational Safety andHealth Act of 1970 violation for exposing employee to a fireexplosion hazard while performing maintenance operationson LP gas tanks with ferrous tools One feasible and acceptable abatement method to correct this hazard is toimplement the use of non- sparking toolsThe Report of the BP US Refineries independent Safety Review Panel also known as the Baker Panel Report states

that ldquoPreventing process accidents requires vigilance The passing of time without a process accident is not necessarilyan indicator that all is well and may contribute to a dangerous and growing sense of complacencyrdquo This sample ofOSHA documented events illustrates accidents do happen when proper safety measures are not taken againstmechanical sparks from steel tools as a possible ignition sourceHaving said that we appreciate the Committeersquos time and agree with the Committee that procedures for cleanup of

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Report on Comments ndash June 2011 NFPA 30Aspills is not within the scope of NFPA 30A

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Report on Comments ndash June 2011 NFPA 30A_______________________________________________________________________________________________30A- Log 7

_______________________________________________________________________________________________Robert Bourke Northeastern Regional Fire Code Development Committee

30A-19Add a new section to read 11721 Where approved by the Authority Having Jurisdiction piers

that extend more than 152 m (500 ft) in travel distance from shore shall be permitted to provide a Class I standpipe thatis installed in accordance with NFPA 14 Standard for the Installation of Standpipe and Hose Systems

The TC missed the point in the substantiation of the proposalIt was not the intent of the proposal to obtain additional flexibility of FD use over that which is provided by a Class III

standpipe system The intent of the proposal was to provide relief from the requirement where the local AHJ feels thatthe effectiveness and likelihood of occupant use of fire hoses does not justify the added risk to the occupant or theinstallation and maintenance costs associated with the requisite hose for a Class III system A Class I system would stillprovide FD fire fighting capabilities in jurisdictions where the AHJ prefers occupants to evacuate and not attempt to fightfires beyond portable fire extinguisher capability

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From Benedetti BobTo bcotnerswriorgCc Harrington Greg Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiBcc May PaulSubject Inquiry NFPA 30 amp NFPA 30ADate Thursday July 08 2010 121900 PM

Good Morning Mr Cotner Greg Harrington asked that I respond to your question about the proper use ofintermediate bulk containers Actually an intermediate bulk container is a shipping vessel that must meetrequirements and specifications of the U S Department of Transportation for shippingmaterials from Point A to Point B It is not intended to be a storage vessel althoughthe liquid contained is obviously dispensed from the vessel for use Dispensing of motor fuels is covered by NFPA 30A Code for Motor Fuel DispensingFacilities and Repair Garages NFPA 30A states in Subsection 421 421 Liquids shall be stored in the following(1) Approved closed containers that do not exceed 227 L (60 gal) capacity and arelocated outside buildings(2) Tanks or approved closed containers located inside motor fuel dispensingfacilities or repair garages(3) Aboveground tanks underground tanks and containers in accordance with therequirements of Section 43(4) Tanks supplying marine service stations in accordance with Section 112 Section 43 states the following 432 Aboveground Storage Tanks Except as modified by the provisions of thissubsection aboveground storage tanks shall meet all applicable requirements ofChapters 21 through 23 and 27 of NFPA 30 Flammable and Combustible Liquids Code So in accordance with NFPA 30A Subsection 421(3) indicates that abovegroundstorage of motor fuel must be in a tank that meets the provisions of Section 43 Thelatter in turn references the Chapters in NFPA 30 that deal with fixed storage tanks Nowhere in these chapters is there any reference to an intermediate bulk container Chapter 9 of NFPA 30 does recognize an intermediate bulk container for warehouse-type storage of Class I flammable liquids but does not anticipate continual dispensingand use One could evaluate an intermediate bulk container as a means of long-term storageand dispensing of liquids under the Equivalency clause My opinion is that an intermediate bulk container is not considered a substitute for anaboveground storage tank but this is not specifically stated in the relevant codes This issue will be added to the agendas for the Technical Committees involved Please understand that this response is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 ofNFPArsquos Regulations Governing Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon todefinitively determine compliance with any laws ordinances rules or regulations Todetermine legal compliance you should refer to the appropriate authority havingjurisdiction or seek legal advice It is not intended nor should it be relied upon toprovide professional consultation or services To determine the adequacy or safety ofany device or installation you should consult with an appropriate professional

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I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write Iwill be happy to assist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant toNFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does notnecessarily represent the official position of the NFPA or its Technical Committees Inaddition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it be relied upon to provideprofessional consultation or services cc 30IFI 30AIFI AUVNM FLCSWCNM FLCTANNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

If you have a reported fire in your home the risk of dyingdecreases by about 80 percent when sprinklers are present

wwwfiresprinklerinitiativeorgNotice The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intendedfor the exclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential andor privileged information If you arenot the intended recipient please notify Robert Benedetti immediately by replying to the message or by calling(617) 984-7433 Please delete this message and any attachments from your system Thank you

From Harrington Greg Sent Wednesday July 07 2010 350 PMTo Benedetti BobSubject FW Intermediate Bulk Containers Hi Bob Can you answer the question below Hersquos a friend of mine former inspector with San Antonio FD when Iworked down there now a safety guy at SWRI Thanks a lot --Greg

From Bill Cotner [mailtobcotnerswriorg] Sent Wednesday July 07 2010 332 PMTo Harrington GregSubject Intermediate Bulk Containers Hey Greg howrsquos the heat in Boston here it is a balmy 93 enjoying it I have a question probably out ofyour area but Irsquom sure you know who to route it to We have a group here that wants to dispense fuelfrom a stainless steel IBC into test engines I donrsquot think that is the intended use or what it has beenlisted for Can I get some guidance on this issue I appreciate anything you can do for me Bill Bill CotnerSenior Fire SpecialistEnvironmental Safety and Quality SystemsSouthwest Research InstitutePhone (210) 522-5101Fax (210) 522-5093Mobile (210) 669-7005Email bcotner swriorg

From Benedetti BobTo Ebanks DesmondCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiBcc May PaulSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Monday June 14 2010 35400 PM

Good afternoon Mr Ebanks The intent of Subsection 422 of NFPA 30A Code for Motor Fuel Dispensing Facilities and RepairGarages is that there be no direct piped connection between the aboveground storage tank inthe bulk plant and the fuel dispensing device in the motor fuel dispensing facility In my opinionthis includes any intervening underground storage tank The hazard being addressed is the potential to overfill the underground storage tank due to thestatic head of the liquid in the aboveground storage tank Please understand that this response is a personal opinion and does not constitute a FormalInterpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 of NFPArsquos RegulationsGoverning Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitively determine compliancewith any laws ordinances rules or regulations To determine legal compliance you shouldrefer to the appropriate authority having jurisdiction or seek legal advice It is not intended norshould it be relied upon to provide professional consultation or services To determine theadequacy or safety of any device or installation you should consult with an appropriateprofessional I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will behappy to assist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPARegulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarilyrepresent the official position of the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition thiscorrespondence is neither intended nor should it be relied upon to provide professional consultation orservices cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg Attend the premier event for fire life safety and electrical professionals

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From Ebanks Desmond [mailtoDesmondEbanksgovky] Sent Monday May 24 2010 940 AMTo Benedetti BobSubject bulk storage supply to motor fuel facilities Hi Bob NFPA 30A (2003) 422 gives to positions in relation to motor fuel dispensing facilities (mfdf) that I would like to havefurther clarified for Code intent please The first is that dispensing devices at the mfdf shall not be supplied by ASTs located in the bulk plant Does this implythat supply from a UST (underground storage tank) in the bulk storage facility would be acceptable or to the other extentthat even if the bulk AST supplied a loading rack which in turn supplied a UST both in the bulk facility that supplyfrom the bulk AST is still not permitted The second statement refers to any storage tank at the mfdf saying they shall not be connected by piping to bulkfacility ASTs Similarly does this imply that a UST (underground storage tank) in the bulk storage facility would beacceptable or that if the bulk tank was connected to a loading rack and the loading rack connected by non-permanentmeans to an mfdf tank that this would be permissible RegardsDes EbanksAssistant Petroleum InspectorThe Petroleum InspectorateCayman Islands GovernmentAnderson Square 4th floorPO Box 31213Grand CaymanKY1-1205Cayman IslandsOffice 345 244 3458Mobile 345 925 3317Fax 345 949 0920Email desmondebanksgovky

From Benedetti BobTo Shriniwas BodhankarCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiBcc May PaulSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Monday June 14 2010 50100 PM

Good day Sir There has been no discussion by the Technical Committee on Automotive and Marine ServiceStations to alter the separation distances in Table 4324 of NFPA 30A Code for Motor FuelDispensing Facilities and Repair Garages as they pertain to liquid fuels including high flashpoint diesel fuels Also there have been no proposals to make such a change to NFPA 30A I trust this answers your question R P Benedetti cc -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

Attend the premier event for fire life safety and electrical professionals

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From Shriniwas Bodhankar [mailtobodhankarenoccom] Sent Tuesday June 01 2010 536 AMTo Maynard Mary Benedetti BobSubject NFPA 30 A Dear sir Reference is made to table no 4324 of NFPA code 30A specifying the minimum distance between storagetanks and dispensing equipment A dispenser should be placed minimum 50 feet away from a bunded abovegroundsteel tank to meet this requirementIn our opinion this is too stringent and uncalled for in case of high flash diesel ( Flash point above 65 degreecentigrade) A bunded tank where spill can be contained within bund is as safe as a vaulted tankfire resistanttankprotected tank Therefore it is equally safe to install an approved dispensing device immediately outside thebund provided the vent of the tank is 4 meters above the grade level on which the dispensing device is installedVarious international oil companies like SHELL amp BP carry similar installations for their fleet customers of dieselMoreover there are standard skids being marketed in EUROPE (even for gasoline) which have storage tanks and

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dispensers on same skid and such an arrangement is accepted by ldquoAuthority Having Jurisdictionrdquo(AHJ)Kindly advise if this standard requirement is being reviewed or otherwise if based on performance based designsuch a requirement may be waived or considered as ldquo highly recommendedrdquo in the leastBased on your feedback we wish to discuss this with AHJ in UAE Regards Regards Shriniwas BodhankarSenior EHS Compliance Officer( Special Projects)Group EHSQ Compliance DepartmentEmirates National Oil Company Limited (ENOC) LLC ENOC House I PO Box 6442Dubai United Arab EmiratesDirect +971 4 313 4437Fax +971 4 313 4482bodhankarenoccom | wwwenoccom

This message together with any attachments contains confidential information and is intended only for the use of theaddressee(s) and may contain information which is covered by legal professional or other privilege If you are not theintended recipient please inform the sender immediately and delete this e-mail You should not copy this e-mail or use itfor any purpose nor disclose its contents to any other person ENOC does not warrant that this transmission is virus freeand will not be liable for any damages resulting from any virus ENOC Dubai UAE

From Benedetti BobTo EActonccfireusCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiBcc May PaulSubject Inquiry NFPA 30A amp NFPA 30Date Monday August 02 2010 44400 PMAttachments DSC06169JPG

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Good day Mr Acton Fire protection provisions for major and minor repair garages and ldquolube-onlyrdquofacilities which is the topic of your concern are provided in NFPA 30A Code for MotorFuel Dispensing Facilities and Repair Garages currently 2008 edition Chapter 5 ofNFPA 30A covers piping systems but its specific provisions focus on piping systemsbetween fuel storage tanks and fuel dispensers Chapter 5 also directly referencesChapter 27 of the 2008 edition of NFPA 30 Flammable and Combustible Liquids Code(successor to Chapter 5 of the 2003 edition) Subsection 527 of NFPA 30A allows piping made from low-melting point materials tobe installed in exposed areas but only in specific locations These are limited tocontainment sumps under dispensers containment sumps for underground fuelstorage tanks and sumps for below-grade piping connections Chapter 5 of NFPA 30Ais silent on piping inside buildings Therefore the user is left with the provisions ofChapter 27 of NFPA 30 NFPA 30 in turn does allow piping fabricated of low melting point materials to beused exposed outdoors or inside buildings with the following provisions ldquo27441 Such materials shall be permitted to be used outdoors above ground orinside buildings provided they meet one of the following conditions (1) They are resistant to damage by fire(2) They are located so that any leakage resulting from failure will not exposepersons important buildings or structures(3) They are located where leakage can be controlled by operation of one or moreaccessible remotely located valvesrdquo Regardless of the material of construction of the piping and components the followinggeneral requirement from Chapter 27 of NFPA 30 always applies ldquo273 General Requirements2731 Performance Standards The design fabrication assembly test and inspectionof piping systems shall be suitable for the working pressures and structural stresses tobe encountered by the piping system Compliance with applicable sections of ASMEB31 Code for Pressure Piping and the provisions of this chapter shall be consideredprima facie evidence of compliance with the foregoing provisions2732 Tightness of Piping Piping systems shall be maintained liquidtight A pipingsystem that has leaks that constitute a hazard shall be emptied of liquid or repaired ina manner acceptable to the authority having jurisdictionrdquo Your interpretation of Subsection 511 of the 2003 edition of NFPA 30 (2711 in the2008 edition) is correct the chapter applies to any piping system that handles aflammable or combustible liquid regardless of pressure Likewise you are correct thatthe piping system must meet the provisions of ASME B31 for the material chosen andthe anticipated operating pressures and temperatures (531 in the 2003 edition 2741 in the 2008 edition) However low melting point materials (aluminum copperbrass and polymeric materials) are allowed under the provisions of Subsection 534(2003 edition) and 2744 (2008 edition) What must be determined is does thepiping system comply with one of the conditions stated in 27441 as stated above

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Please understand that this response is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 ofNFPArsquos Regulations Governing Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon todefinitively determine compliance with any laws ordinances rules or regulations Todetermine legal compliance you should refer to the appropriate authority havingjurisdiction or seek legal advice It is not intended nor should it be relied upon toprovide professional consultation or services To determine the adequacy or safety ofany device or installation you should consult with an appropriate professional I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write Iwill be happy to assist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant toNFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does notnecessarily represent the official position of the NFPA or its Technical Committees Inaddition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it be relied upon to provideprofessional consultation or services cc 30IFI 30AIFI AUVNM FLCTANNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

If you have a reported fire in your home the risk of dyingdecreases by about 80 percent when sprinklers are present

wwwfiresprinklerinitiativeorgNotice The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intendedfor the exclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential andor privileged information If you arenot the intended recipient please notify Robert Benedetti immediately by replying to the message or by calling(617) 984-7433 Please delete this message and any attachments from your system Thank you

From Eric Acton [mailtoEActonccfireus] Sent Monday July 19 2010 636 PMTo Benedetti BobSubject InterpretationOpinion request

Good day My name is Eric Acton I am the Fire Marshal for Campbell CountyWyoming and Irsquom employed by Campbell County Fire Department My NFPA

membership number is 2755369 My mailing and email addresses are listed below I am in need of a technical opinion regarding 2003 NFPA 30 Chapter 5 or morecurrently 2008 NFPA 30A Chapter 5 Some brief project backgroundAn owner within my jurisdiction has built a commercial lube-oil center to servicecustomersrsquo vehicles A ldquopitrdquo exists below the service bay to allow workers to drainthe oil from the vehicle then workers on the main floor refill the oil by use ofpressurized nozzles Several motor oil storage tanks are located in the pitaccounting for several brands and viscosities of oil The tanks are designed to befilled by use of a piping system which extends from an exterior connection vault toeach of the storage tanks using gravity to move the product in the fill-pipingsystem The material the owner chose to construct the fill-piping system wasldquostandardrdquo 1-12rdquo Schedule 40 PVC and Parker Series 7094 Electrically Non-Conductive rubber hose The piping system is exposed it is not underground nor isit protected from flame by means of a fire-rated chase Having identified the use of combustible liquids in this occupancy I utilized 2006International Fire Code (as adopted by my jurisdiction) Chapter 34 Flammable andCombustible Liquids to review and inspect the project IFC Section 340362referred me to NFPA 30 Chapter 5 for the construction materials to use where Iinterpreted (2003 version) 30511 to mean that the piping system components (pipetubing flanges bolting gaskets valves fittingshellip) must meet the requirementsregardless of pressure And that the following components specified in theparagraph must meet the requirements ONLY if they contained pressure ndashhelliprdquoexpansion joints and strainers and devices such thathelliprdquo I further interpreted(2003 version) 30531 Material Specifications similarly in that the ldquoPipe valvesfaucets couplingshelliprdquo must meet the requirements regardless of pressure while ldquohellipother pressure-containing partshelliprdquo meant ONLY the other parts that containedpressure Verbatim to 30511 is encountered in 2008 NFPA 30A Chapter 5paragraph 51 Scope The owner states his piping complies with the standard cited because it is gravity-fed hence no ldquopressurerdquo is seen by the piping components I maintain that thepiping system shall consist of metal pipe (or another material meeting therequirements of ASME B31 as allowed by 2003 NFPA 30531) to comply with NFPA30 and IFC Some assistance to resolve this problem is greatly appreciated I have attachedsome photographs for clarification Thanks for your attentionEric

Eric ActonFire MarshalCampbell County Fire Department 106 Rohan Avenue Gillette WY 82716 (307) 682-5319 ext 8912(307) 686-2222 Fax(307) 680-9612 Cell

eactonccfireus (No trees were harmed in the production of this e-mail however a huge number of electrons were horribly inconvenienced)

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From Benedetti BobTo Howard Jim (Woodbridge)Cc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiBcc May PaulSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Monday June 28 2010 115100 AM

Good morning Mr Howard First I appreciate your patience with me while I reviewed the information sent to meby yourself and Mr Luby of Veeder-Root I wanted to ensure that I thoroughlyunderstood how the system functions in its line leak detection mode My understanding of the arrangement of the piping system from the pair ofunderground storage tanks is that the electronic line leak detector the PLLD tests thesupply piping from the two submersible pumps to the dispensers as a single system This includes the direct piping run from the master pump to the dispensers AND thepiping that connects the slave pump to the direct piping run The intent of Subsection 642 of the 2008 edition of NFPA 30A Code for Motor FuelDispensing Facilities and Repair Garages is to ensure that some type of leak detectiondevice monitors the piping from the submersible pump to the dispensers in such amanner that a leak in the piping leading to the dispensers or in the dispensersthemselves is detected and notification of a leak given Since the two pumps act intandem and since the entire piping system from the pumps to the dispensers ismonitored my personal opinion is that the intent of Subsection 642 is met andevaluation of the system described as being equivalent to what is required bySubsection 642 is reasonable Whether the system described meets the criteria of Section 15 Equivalency of NFPA30A must be determined by the authority having jurisdiction As NFPA Staff Liaison forNFPA 30A I cannot make such a determination under NFPArsquos Regulations GoverningCommittee Projects Please understand that this response is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 ofNFPArsquos Regulations Governing Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon todefinitively determine compliance with any laws ordinances rules or regulations Todetermine legal compliance you should refer to the appropriate authority havingjurisdiction or seek legal advice It is not intended nor should it be relied upon toprovide professional consultation or services To determine the adequacy or safety ofany device or installation you should consult with an appropriate professional I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write Iwill be happy to assist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant toNFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does notnecessarily represent the official position of the NFPA or its Technical Committees Inaddition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it be relied upon to provideprofessional consultation or services cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids Engineer

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National Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

If you have a reported fire in your home the risk of dyingdecreases by about 80 percent when sprinklers are present

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From Howard Jim (Woodbridge) [mailtoJHowardhesscom] Sent Monday June 14 2010 1144 AMTo Benedetti BobCc Howard Jim (Woodbridge) Bob Luby Subject Importance High Bob It was a pleasure talking to you this morning regarding the Line Leak Detection applicationin place at Hess Station 08501 - Milltown DE (drawing attached) as well as several thousandlocations worldwide Here is some background information on this installation

Site had 3 - 10000 gallon gasoline tanks 1 - 10000 Regular (87) 1 - 10000 Plus (89) 1 - 10000 Premium (93) prior to our Dispenser Replacement Project Because of theoverwhelming demand for Regular gasoline (887 in 2009) we converted the existingPlus tank to additional Regular storageDispensers were replaced with new Blend Dispensers Tanks were not manifoldedRegular and former-Plus product lines were manifolded at each dispenserWe installed Veeder-Root PLLDs (Electronic Line Leak Detectors) on the Regular 1and Premium STPs We installed a non-vented Swift Check on Regular 2 (formerPlus) STP Because the PLLD is vented we MUST install a non-vented swift check onRegular STP 2 in order to test the system as a wholeWe have demonstrated via post-construction testing that the system will pick up a 3gph leak

The State of DE has questioned our compliance with NFPA 30A 642 Each pump shallhave installed on the discharge side a listed leak detection device that will provide an audibleor visible indication if the piping or a dispenser is leaking Each leak-detecting device shallbe checked and tested at least annually according to the manufacturers specifications toensure proper installation and operation

Can you comment on whether the system shown on the attached and described above and onour call meets the NFPA requirement or if it meets the definition of Equivalency as definedin Chapter 15 - Equivalency Thank you in advance for your consideration in this matter Please do not hesitate to contactme if there are any questions or concerns on this application ThanksJim Howard RFMPManager Maintenance amp UST ComplianceHess Corporation732-750-6220 (office)800-903-4801 (Emergency Hotline)E-mail UST Inspections to USTCompliancehesscomFax UST Inspections to 866-435-6744

This e-mail and any attachments are for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may containinformation that is confidential If you are not the intended recipient(s) and have received this e-mail in error please immediately notify the sender by return e-mail and delete this e-mail fromyour computer Any distribution disclosure or the taking of any other action by anyone other thanthe intended recipient(s) is strictly prohibited

From Benedetti BobTo Gary KostalCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiBcc May PaulSubject Inquiry NFPA 30 NFPA 30ADate Tuesday August 10 2010 43200 PM

Good afternoon Mr Kostal There are no provisions in NFPA 30 Flammable and Combustible Liquids Code togovern dispensing of motor fuels into motorized equipment and the devices youdescribe are not mentioned at all in NFPA 30 or in the only other related NFPAdocument that might apply NFPA 30A Code for Motor Fuel Dispensing Facilities andRepair Garages I cannot say that these units are either allowed or disallowed because neither NFPA30 nor NFPA 30A speaks about them The only provisions that might apply are the quantity limitations established in thesetwo codes depending on which code applies If the maintenance building is considered an industrial occupancy then Chapter 9 ofNFPA 30 establishes a maximum allowable quantity for of 120 gallons for Class Iliquids (The maximum allowable quantity is actually a threshold value Up to theMAQ compliance with NFPA 30 is not required above it NFPA 30 applies) If the maintenance building is considered a repair garage then NFPA 30A takesprecedence It also sets a 120 gallon limit on the maximum quantity of Class I liquid In both cases the quantity of fuel involved is 50 percent of the maximum allowed Myopinion is that there is no violation of either NFPA 30 or NFPA 30A Please understand that this response is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 ofNFPArsquos Regulations Governing Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon todefinitively determine compliance with any laws ordinances rules or regulations Todetermine legal compliance you should refer to the appropriate authority havingjurisdiction or seek legal advice It is not intended nor should it be relied upon toprovide professional consultation or services To determine the adequacy or safety ofany device or installation you should consult with an appropriate professional I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write Iwill be happy to assist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant toNFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does notnecessarily represent the official position of the NFPA or its Technical Committees Inaddition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it be relied upon to provideprofessional consultation or services cc 30IFI 30AIFI-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch Park

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Quincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg Important Notice This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPA RegulationsAny opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarily represent the officialposition of the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition this correspondence is neither intended norshould it be relied upon to provide professional consultation or services

Visit wwwfirepreventionweekorg or call 800-344-3555 for more information Check out FPW on social mediahellipwwwtwittercomfpw2010wwwfacebookcomfirepreventionweekhttpnfpatypepadcomfpw Check out NFPA onhellip

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From Gary Kostal [mailtogarykbloomingdalefirecom] Sent Monday August 09 2010 328 PMTo Benedetti BobSubject Looking for assistance - portable gas caddies Membership 2329840 Gary KostalFire Prevention DirectorBloomingdale Fire District Question (Non-formal opinion) I have a country club where they service a very large number of lawn maintenance equipment on a dailybasis They are utilizing a portable gas container (gas caddy) that holds approximately 30 gallons ofgasoline The unit is equipped with a hand style pump which is located on the top of the tank Fuel isdispensed from this tank as you crank the pump There are no nozzles located on the hose These gascaddies are being used inside their maintenance building which is fully fire sprinkled They are presentlyusing two of these devices inside the same building which is basically one days use

My question is are these devices allowed for this type of dispensing Are they required to be equippedwith a self closing nozzle What NFPA sections would apply to this particular type of device Thank you for your assistance in this matter

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From Benedetti BobTo SheldonSchallWisconsingovCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Wednesday September 30 2009 45929 PM

Good afternoon Sheldon I will here provide more detailed answers to your questions as posed in the email you sent to me today Section 30A-4323 limits tank storage capacity for Class I and II No limit for Class IIIA or IIIB

You are correct The intent of 4323 is to limit the capacities only of those tanks that storeClass I and II liquids Recall that when NFPA 30A initially allowed aboveground storage tanks atvehicle fueling sites biofuels were not in the picture just gasoline (Class I) and diesel fuel (ClassII) The Technical Committee at the time did not conceive that there would be the need to storeClass III fuels because there werenrsquot any The bottom line NFPA 30A does not limit the capacityof an aboveground storage tank that holds a motor fuel that is a Class III liquid

Section 30A-4324 refers to setbacks in Table 4324 No indication that these setbacks are specific toor exclude any class of flammable or combustible so it appears that the setbacks apply to Class I -Class IIIB liquids This table appears to conflict with the previous section for Class IIIA amp IIIB liquids

This is again correct that the separation distances in Table 4324 are not specific to anyparticular Class of liquid There is no conflict however 4323 deals with tank capacities 4324 deals with separation distances for the tanks Since 4324 does not specify anyparticular liquid class(es) it applies to ALL liquid classes

Section 30A-4325 allows an increased capacity for Class II and III liquids at fleet facilities Thisappears to conflict with section 4323 for Class III liquids which didnt have a capacity limit to startwith

Here there is a conflict or at least a serious inconsistency This provision was added one or twoeditions after 4323 and it appears that biofuels are beginning to be recognized It also appearsthat the intent here was to allow a relaxation of one limit in favor of a more liberal one Theproblem is the original limit doesnrsquot exist making it arguable that the application of 4325 toClass III liquids is meaningless Given the obvious intent here for some limit on Class III liquidfuels 4323 should be amended to include Class IIIs

Section 30A-4327 addresses dispensing from an aboveground tank for Class I and II liquids based uponspecific conditions

Paragraph 4322 is a hold-over dating back to when service stations were covered in Chapter 7of the old versions of NFPA 30 This set of requirements should also be amended to include ClassIIIs

Section 30A-4328 refers to NFPA 30-2171 for spill and overfill This section only applies to class Iand II liquids

While it is true that Subsection 2171 of NFPA 30 only applies to Classes I and II I do not believeit is a conflict for NFPA 30A to also apply it to Class III as well if the Technical Committee it isappropriate to do so However the language needs to be improved or an Annex item should beadded to explain the extrapolation and the reason for it

I will add this to the next meetingrsquos agenda for the Technical Committee on Automotive and MarineService Stations As usual the following applies Please understand that this response to your inquiry is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 of NFPArsquos RegulationsGoverning Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitively determine compliance with anylaws ordinances rules or regulations To determine the adequacy or safety of any device or installationyou should consult with an appropriate professional To determine legal compliance you should refer tothe appropriate authority having jurisdiction or seek legal advice

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I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will be happy toassist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarily represent the official positionof the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it berelied upon to provide professional consultation or services cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

Fire Prevention Week is October 4 ndash 10 2009 Visit wwwfirepreventionweekorg or call 800-344-3555 for moreinformation NFPA Seminars - Apply the codes with confidenceRegister at wwwnfpalearnorg NFPA Membership keeps you up-to-dateVisit wwwnfpaorgjoin for more information Or call 800-344-3555Notice The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for theexclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential andor privileged information If you are not the intendedrecipient please notify Robert Benedetti immediately by replying to the message or by calling (617) 984-7433 Please deletethis message and any attachments from your system Thank you Considering the variables in the sections referenced above are the setbacks in Table 4324 intended toapply to Class IIIA andor Class IIIB liquids for public fueling

From Schall Sheldon - COMMERCE [mailtoSheldonSchallWisconsingov] Sent Wednesday September 30 2009 832 AMTo Benedetti BobSubject NFPA 30A-4324 inquiry - URGENT Section 30A-4323 limits tank storage capacity for Class I and II No limit for Class IIIA or IIIB trueSection 30A-4324 refers to setbacks in Table 4324 No indication that these setbacks are specific toor exclude any class of flammable or combustible so it appears that the setbacks apply to Class I -Class IIIB liquids This table appears to conflict with the previous section for Class IIIA amp IIIB liquids Also trueSection 30A-4325 allows an increased capacity for Class II and III liquids at fleet facilities Thisappears to conflict with section 4323 for Class III liquids which didnt have a capacity limit to startwith Either one or the other needs to changeSection 30A-4327 addresses dispensing from an aboveground tank for Class I and II liquids based uponspecific conditions Need to cover IIIBSection 30A-4328 refers to NFPA 30-2171 for spill and overfill This section only applies to class Iand II liquids Class IIIs need to be specifically addressed Considering the variables in the sections referenced above are the setbacks in Table 4324 intended toapply to Class IIIA andor Class IIIB liquids for public fueling

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From Benedetti BobTo Bill HickmanCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Monday December 14 2009 50332 PM

Good afternoon Mr Hickman To answer your question the separation distances in Table 4324 of NFPA 30A Code for MotorFuel Dispensing Facilities and Repair Garages are intended to apply to outside abovegroundstorage tanks for fuel where such is allowed The tanks inside a service station building majorrepair garage or minor repair garage would likely be handling Class IIIB liquids (flash point gt200 degF) only in accordance with Subsection 4392 of NFPA 30A Subsection 4392 does not set any specific requirements for separation between tanks inside abuilding although it does refer back to Chapters 21 through 23 of NFPA 30 Flammable andCombustible Liquids Code Shell-to-shell spacing distances for aboveground tanks areestablished in Table 22421 Table 22421 is intended for much large tanks than one wouldfind in a repair garage or ldquolube-onlyrdquo facility For example the minimum separation for tanksstoring Class IIIB liquids is 3 feet as set forth in 224212 But again the separationdistances in Chapter 22 of NFPA 30 are intended for tank farm application not for the muchsmaller tanks found in the type of occupancy governed by NFPA 30A Also any facility meeting the requirements of NFPA 30A is considered to be in compliance withNFPA 30 Please understand that this response to your inquiry is a personal opinion and does notconstitute a Formal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 ofNFPArsquos Regulations Governing Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitivelydetermine compliance with any laws ordinances rules or regulations To determine theadequacy or safety of any device or installation you should consult with an appropriateprofessional To determine legal compliance you should refer to the appropriate authorityhaving jurisdiction or seek legal advice I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will behappy to assist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPARegulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarilyrepresent the official position of the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition thiscorrespondence is neither intended nor should it be relied upon to provide professional consultation orservices cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg If you have a reported fire in your home the risk of dyingdecreases by about 80 percent when sprinklers are present

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From Bill Hickman [mailtoBillHickmanstatecous] Sent Tuesday December 01 2009 939 AMTo Benedetti BobSubject Inquiry NFPA 30A - Storage of Liquids Inside Buildings Mr Benedetti Id appreciate your interpretation on an item regarding aboveground tanks storing lubricants (newused oil) inside abuilding at a repair garage NFPA 30A 439 does not include specific spacing requirements for tanks inside buildings Where there are multiple tanks being stored inside the building is there no minimum separation distance requirementthat must be met or do the requirements of Table 4324 apply Thank you in advance for your assistance __________________________________ Bill HickmanInspectorTechnical SpecialistCO Division of Oil amp Public Safety303-378-5090

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From Benedetti BobTo Peznowski EdwardCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Thursday September 03 2009 30455 PM

Hi Ed The 1996 edition of the Flammable and Combustible Liquids Code Handbook was the last one prior to thecurrent 2008 edition The commentary hasnrsquot changed My recollection of the development of this text is that the intent of NFPA 30A Code for Motor FuelDispensing Facilities and Repair Garages is to isolate the motor fuel dispensing area and its attendanthazard completely from the rest of the structure regardless of what else might be in the structure Subsection 524 assumes that the installation involves a motor fuel dispensing operation inside abuilding where you would not expect to have same such as an office building A bus repair facility wouldbe probably classed as a major repair garage and would be expected to have fueling operations Thehazard of this is in my opinion no greater than the repair operations It could be that the language in Subsection 524 needs to be clarified so that it applies only to situationssuch as I first described Please understand that this response to your inquiry is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 of NFPArsquos RegulationsGoverning Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitively determine compliance with anylaws ordinances rules or regulations To determine the adequacy or safety of any device or installationyou should consult with an appropriate professional To determine legal compliance you should refer tothe appropriate authority having jurisdiction or seek legal advice I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will be happy toassist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarily represent the official positionof the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it berelied upon to provide professional consultation or services cc 30AIFI 30AFAQ AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

Fire Prevention Week is October 4 ndash 10 2009 Visit wwwfirepreventionweekorg or call 800-344-3555 for moreinformation NFPA Seminars - Apply the codes with confidenceRegister at wwwnfpalearnorg NFPA Membership keeps you up-to-dateVisit wwwnfpaorgjoin for more information Or call 800-344-3555Notice The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for the

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exclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential andor privileged information If you are not the intendedrecipient please notify Robert Benedetti immediately by replying to the message or by calling (617) 984-7433 Please deletethis message and any attachments from your system Thank you

From Peznowski Edward [mailtoEdwardPeznowskipostatectus] Sent Monday August 31 2009 127 PMTo Benedetti BobSubject NFPA 30A Hi Bob Sorry to bother you but I need your help and interpretation of the following section of NFPA 30A 2000edition 524 - All piping inside buildings but outside the motor fuel dispensing area shall be enclosed within ahorizontal chase or a vertical shaft used only for this piping Vertical shafts and horizontal chases shall beconstructed of materials having a fire resistance rating of not less than 2 hours Bob I have a bus repair facility being built and we have fuel dispensing area within the building enclosedwith a 2hr fire resistive separation My question is I have diesel fuel piping coming from two tanks locatedoutside of the building the piping runs outside of the dispensing area does this piping need to be enclosed Ihave the proper UL listed system for through wall penetrations My problem lies here I have natural gas heating fuel oil lines for boilers and diesel fuel line for thegenerator all running through the area outside the 2 hour rated dispensing area which are not required to beenclosed My thought is within the 2 hour fire resistive construction I have storage rooms for grease and oil a office forfuel dispensing Any fuel piping running through these areas would be enclosed but once I go outside my 2hrrated enclosure the piping would not have to be enclosed NFPA 30A (1996edition)6-42 - All fuel and flammable vapor piping inside buildings but outside the service station area shall beenclosed within a horizontal chase or a vertical shaft used only for this piping Vertical shafts and horizontalchases shall be constructed of materials having a fire resistance rating of not less than 2 hoursCOMMENTARY 6-42 The intent of this requirement is to preserve the isolation of the service stationoperation from the rest of the building I donrsquot have the 2000 handbook for commentary Thanks Bob Edward J PeznowskiFire amp Life Safety SpecialistBureau of EngineeringOffice State Fire Marshal860-685-8350

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From Benedetti BobTo Hamilton James P (HOY)Cc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiSubject Inquiry NFPA 30A-2008Date Monday September 14 2009 115041 AM

Good morning Mr Hamilton The intent of this particular provision of Subsection 672 of NFPA 30A Code for Motor Fuel DispensingFacilities and Repair Garages is to ensure that the patron has access to a second disconnect if he or shecannot reach the primary disconnect ie the one that is between 20 and 100 feet from the dispenser In my opinion all of the emergency disconnects required by Section 67 must be at least 20 ft but normore than 100 ft from the nearest dispenser Please understand that this response to your inquiry is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 of NFPArsquos RegulationsGoverning Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitively determine compliance with anylaws ordinances rules or regulations To determine the adequacy or safety of any device or installationyou should consult with an appropriate professional To determine legal compliance you should refer tothe appropriate authority having jurisdiction or seek legal advice I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will be happy toassist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarily represent the official positionof the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it berelied upon to provide professional consultation or services cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

Fire Prevention Week is October 4 ndash 10 2009 Visit wwwfirepreventionweekorg or call 800-344-3555 for moreinformation NFPA Seminars - Apply the codes with confidenceRegister at wwwnfpalearnorg NFPA Membership keeps you up-to-dateVisit wwwnfpaorgjoin for more information Or call 800-344-3555Notice The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for theexclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential andor privileged information If you are not the intendedrecipient please notify Robert Benedetti immediately by replying to the message or by calling (617) 984-7433 Please deletethis message and any attachments from your system Thank you

From Hamilton James P (HOY) [mailtoHAMILTONJPbechteljacobsorg] Sent Thursday September 10 2009 1224 PMTo Benedetti BobSubject NFPA 30A 2008 Edition

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Importance High

NFPA 30A 672 states at least one additional device or disconnect shall be readily accessible toeach group of dispensing devices on an individual island Our installation does not have islands Should the second emergency shutoff be installed close to the pumps or between 20 and 100 ofthe pumps

Please respond back via email hamiltonjpbechteljacobsorg

Thanks

NFPA 127130 James P Hamilton CFPSTetraTek Inc - Fire Safety TechnologiesFire Protection LeadK-27 Pre-Demo Project 790 Emory Valley Rd 811 Oak Ridge TN 37830 ETTP Office 865-241-1902

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From Benedetti BobTo Scott DavonskiCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Tuesday August 04 2009 92429 AM

Good morning Mr Davonski My opinion is that the intent of the requirement in Subsection 1141 of NFPA 30A Code for Motor FuelDispensing Facilities and Repair Garages is that any hose longer than 18 feet should not simply bestrung along the dockrsquos surface Using a reel would be one means of securing the hose although Irsquomsure other methods such as hangers would work as well Please understand that this response to your inquiry is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 of NFPArsquos RegulationsGoverning Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitively determine compliance with anylaws ordinances rules or regulations To determine the adequacy or safety of any device or installationyou should consult with an appropriate professional To determine legal compliance you should refer tothe appropriate authority having jurisdiction or seek legal advice I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will be happy toassist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarily represent the official positionof the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it berelied upon to provide professional consultation or services cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

Fire Prevention Week is October 4 ndash 10 2009 Visit wwwfirepreventionweekorg or call 800-344-3555 for moreinformation NFPA Seminars - Apply the codes with confidenceRegister at wwwnfpalearnorg NFPA Membership keeps you up-to-dateVisit wwwnfpaorgjoin for more information Or call 800-344-3555Notice The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for theexclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential andor privileged information If you are not the intendedrecipient please notify Robert Benedetti immediately by replying to the message or by calling (617) 984-7433 Please deletethis message and any attachments from your system Thank you

From Scott Davonski [mailtodavonskiRiverheadlicom] Sent Wednesday July 22 2009 1118 AMTo Benedetti BobSubject 30A clarification

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1141 All hose shall be listed Where hose length exceeds 55 m (18 ft) the hose shall besecured so as to protect it from damage Can you provide clarification as to what is meant by ldquosecured so as to protect it fromdamagerdquo Is the standard looking not to have the hoses on the dock In a reel Any clarificationinformation would be appreciated Scott W DavonskiChief Fire MarshalTown of RiverheadP- 631-727-3200 ext 209F- 631-727-3370

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Page 8: TECHNICAL COMMITTEE ON AUTOMOTIVE and MARINE … · SUBJECT: Agenda for ROC Meeting – October 4, 2010 _____ Ladies and Gentlemen: Attached is the Agenda for the NFPA 30A Report

AUV Committee Balancedoc - 8122010

TECHNICAL COMMITTEE ON AUTOMOTIVE and MARINE SERVICE STATIONS

COMMITTEE MEMBERSHIP BALANCE SUMMARY

AUV-AAA NFPA 30A

Members 24 M 7 (29) U 5 (21) Voting Alternates 0 IM 3 (13) LC 0 Alternates 7 RT 2 (8) E 3 (13)

Non-Voting 2 I 2 (8) SE 2 (8) Emeritus 1

Task Group 0 Hold List 0 Balance OK (CNG equipment 1 dispensing nozzles 0 dispensing system components 2 fire suppression equipment 1 LNG dispensing systems 1 storage tanks 2) (fleet operators 2 independent retail 1 lube-only facilities 1 major retail 0 marine facilities 1) (fire suppression systems 1 fuel dispensing systems 1 LPG dispensing systems 1)

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MASTER SCHEDULE2011 Annual Cycledoc

2011 ANNUAL REVISION CYCLE

PROCESS STAGE PROCESS STEP

DATES FOR TC

DATES FOR TCC

COMPLETION

DATE

VERIFY MATERIAL

IN FILE 1 PRELIMINARY 10 Notification of intent to enter cycle 71009 71009

2 REPORT ON PROPOSALS

(ROP)

21 Proposal closing date 112409 112409

22 Final date for ROP meeting 22610 2510 23 Final date for mailing TC ballots 31910 21910 24 Receipt of (TC) ballots by staff liaison 42310 31210 25 Receipt of TC recirculation ballots 5710 31910 26 Final date for TCC meeting 41610 27 Final date for mailing TCC ballots 42310 28 Receipt of TCC ballots 51410 29 Receipt of TCC recirculation ballots 52110 210 Final copy (w ballot statements) to Secretary Standards Council

51410 52810

211 Completion of Reports 52110 6410 212 ROP Published and Posted 62510 62510

3 REPORT ON

COMMENTS (ROC)

31 Comment closing date 9310 9310 32 Final date for ROC meeting 11510 10810 33 Final date for mailing TC ballots 111910 102210 34 Receipt of (TC) ballots by staff liaison 12310 111210 35 Receipt of TC recirculation ballots 121010 111910 36 Final date for TCC meeting 121710 37 Final date for mailing TCC ballots 122210 38 Receipt of TCC ballots 11411 39 Receipt of TCC recirculation ballots 12111 310 Final copy (w ballot statements) to Secretary Standards Council

122210 12811

311 Completion of Reports 11411 2411 312 ROC Published and Posted 22511 22511

TECH SESSION PREPARATION amp ISSUANCE OF

CONSENT DOCUMENTS

41 Notice of Intent to Make a Motion (NITMAM) Closing Date

4811 4811

42 Posting of Filed NITMAM 5611 5611 43 Council Issuance Date for Consent Documents 53111 53111 44 Appeal Closing Date for Consent Documents 61511 61511

TECHNICAL SESSION

50 Association Meeting for Documents with Certified Amending Motions

612-1611 612-1611

APPEALS amp ISSUANCE OF DOCUMENTS

WCAMS

61 Appeal closing date for Documents with Certified Amending Motions

7611 7611

62 Council issuance for Documents with Certified Amending Motions

8411 8411

Proposal Closing Dates may vary according to documents and schedules for Revision Cycles may change Please check the NFPA website (wwwnfpaorg) for the most up-to-date information on proposal closing dates and schedules

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TIA 9852010-06-15 ndash IFMA Counterproposaldoc

Proposed TIA to NFPA 30A-2008 1 Add a new definition of ldquoalcohol blended motor fuelrdquo to read as follows

ldquo33X Alcohol Blended Motor Fuel Motor fuel consisting of a blend of alcohol such as ethanol and gasoline with an alcohol concentration greater than 10 percent by volume including those with nominally 85 percent ethanol 15 percent unleaded gasoline (E85)rdquo

2 Revise 632 to read

ldquo632 Dispensing devices for Class I and II liquids shall be listed for the specific fuels being dispensed A632 See UL 87 Standard for Power-Operated Dispensing Devices for Petroleum Products or UL SU87A Outline for Power-Operated Dispensing Devices for Gasoline and GasolineEthanol Blends with Nominal Concentrations up to 85 Percent 6321 Existing listed or labeled dispensing devices shall be permitted to be modified provided that the modifications made are ldquoListed by Reportrdquo by an approved testing laboratory or as otherwise approved by the authority having jurisdiction Modification proposals shall contain a description of the component parts used in the modification and the recommended methods of installation on specific dispensing devices Modification proposals shall be made available to the authority having jurisdiction upon request 6322 Existing dispensing devices shall be listed for the specific fuel or fuels being dispensed 63221 Where existing dispensing devices are not listed for a specific fuel or fuels see Section 15 Equivalency A6322 1 The authority having jurisdiction by virtue of Section 15 may approve the use of existing equipment for fuels for which no listing is available Where the authority having jurisdiction approves the use of an existing dispensing device or existing related dispensing equipment for use with alcohol blended motor fuels the approval of the dispensing device and related dispensing equipment may be based on the following (1) The dispensing device and related dispensing equipment should be listed for dispensing of gasoline motor fuel and (2) The dispensing device and related dispensing equipment should be inspected by a person who is knowledgeable in the operation of the equipment to verify that it is in proper working order and is not leaking as described in (a) and (b) (a) A visual inspection of the fuel dispenser and its associated hanging hardware should be conducted ldquoHanging hardwarerdquo includes the following components that might be present hose nozzle valve hose breakaway valve and hose swivel Inspections should be conducted at least weekly and should be documented Documentation should be available for review by the authority having jurisdiction upon request (b) An inspection of the fuel-dispensing equipment that is located inside the dispenser cabinet should be conducted The interior of the dispenser cabinet should

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be inspected for signs of leaks damage corrosion or weathering with particular attention to the sump area and joints and castings of fuel handling components The inspection should be conducted at least monthly and should be documented Documentation should be available for review by the authority having jurisdiction upon request (c) If a leak is discovered use of the affected dispensing device should be discontinued until repairs can be made The authority having jurisdiction is provided with the ability to approve for use with mid-level alcohol blended motor fuels (eg E15 15 percent ethanol 85 percent unleaded gasoline) dispensing devices and related dispensing equipment currently listed for use with E10 (10 percent ethanol 90 percent unleaded gasoline) Approval of the dispensing device or related dispensing equipment for use with alcohol blended motor fuel requires that the dispensing device and related dispensing equipment be listed for use with E10 and that periodic inspection be conducted to verify that the equipment is functioning properly Useful forms for documenting inspections can be found in PEIRP500-05 Recommended Practices for Inspection and Maintenance of Motor Fuel Dispensing Equipment and are also available at wwwpeiorgrp500 In addition the authority having jurisdiction may take into account other factors including actual field experience evidence of compatibility (eg manufacturerrsquos declaration) and functionality by government agencies trade associations and testing laboratories Underwriters Laboratories Inc has listed dispensing devices and related dispensing equipment for alcohol blended motor fuels up to E10 and more recently has begun listing dispensing devices for alcohol blended motor fuels up to E25 (25 percent ethanol 75 percent unleaded gasoline) However the majority of existing dispensing devices and related dispensing equipment currently in service at motor fuel dispensing facilities are not listed for use with alcohol blended motor fuels with more than 10 percent ethanol While higher alcohol blended motor fuels (eg E85 85 percent ethanol 15 percent unleaded gasoline) are typically sold as an alternative to E10 the mid-level alcohol blended motor fuels such as E15 if approved by the U S Environmental Protection Agency might likely become a replacement for current motor fuels either through state or federal mandates or because of supply chain restrictions In order to maintain the supply of motor fuel this might require the sale of mid-level blends through the existing dispensing devices and related dispensing equipmentrdquo

3 Revise 651 to read

ldquo651 Listed hose assemblies shall be used to dispense fuels shall be listed for the specific fuels being dispensed Hose length at automotive motor fuel dispensing facilities shall not exceed 55 m (18 ft) Where hose length at marine motor fuel dispensing facilities exceeds 55 m (18 ft) the hose shall be secured so as to protect it from damage (See A63221)rdquo

4 Revise 661 to read

ldquo661 An automatic-closing-type hose nozzle valve listed in accordance with UL 842 Standard for Valves for Flammable Fluids and listed for the specific fuels being dispensed with or without latch-open device shall be provided on island-type dispensing devices used to dispense Class I or Class II liquids (See A63221)rdquo

5 Revise 681 and 682 to read

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ldquo681 Dispensing devices that incorporate vapor recovery shall be listed for the specific fuels being dispensed (See A63221) 682 Hose nozzle valves used on vapor recovery systems shall be listed for the purpose and for the specific fuels being dispensed (See A63221)rdquo

6 Add a new entry to Table B1 Typical Flammable and Combustible Liquids Found at Motor Fuel Dispensing Facilities to read as follows

ldquoAlcohol Blended Motor Fuel -40 degF ndash 55 degF Class IB varies nardquo A6321 proposed 6231 and its annex all becomes annex material gtgtgt New lead-in Where modifications are made 2 Add a new Subsection 623 and an accompanying annex text to read as follows A6322 Where dispensing devices and related dispensing equipment including dispensers hoses nozzles breakaway fittings swivels flexible connectors dispenser emergency shutoff valves and vapor recovery systems and pumps are propose for use for alcohol blended motor fuels they should be listed Where there is currently no listing see 15 for equivalencies Section 15 permits the authority having jurisdiction to approve non-listed components for the specific for the specific fuel being dispensed Where the authority having jurisdiction approves the use of a dispensing device or related dispensing equipment for use with alcohol blended motor fuels the approval of the dispensing device and related dispensing equipment could include the following (1) The dispensing device and related dispensing equipment shall be listed for dispensing of gasoline motor fuel and (2) The dispensing device and related dispensing equipment shall be periodically inspected by a person who is knowledgeable in the operation of the equipment to verify that it is in proper working order and is not leaking as described in (a) and (b) (a) A visual inspection of the fuel dispenser and its associated hanging hardware shall be conducted ldquoHanging hardwarerdquo shall include the following components that might be present hose nozzle valve hose breakaway valve and hose swivel Inspections shall be conducted at least weekly and shall be documented Documentation shall be available for review by the authority having jurisdiction upon request (b) An inspection of the fuel-dispensing equipment that is located inside the dispenser cabinet shall be conducted The interior of the dispenser cabinet shall be inspected for signs of leaks damage corrosion or weathering with particular attention to the sump area and joints and castings of fuel handling components The inspection shall be conducted at least monthly and shall be documented Documentation shall be available for review by the authority having jurisdiction upon request NEEDS TO TELL WHAT TO DO BEYOND MERE DOCUMENTATION ALSO NEED TO REPLACE ldquoPERIODICrdquo WITH FIRM TIME A623 See UL SU87A Outline for Power-Operated Dispensing Devices for Gasoline and GasolineEthanol Blends with Nominal Concentrations up to 85 Percent

TIA 9852010-06-15 ndash IFMA Counterproposaldoc

A6231 The authority having jurisdiction is provided with the ability to approve for use with mid-level alcohol blended motor fuels (eg E15 15 percent ethanol 85 percent unleaded gasoline) dispensing devices and related dispensing equipment currently listed for use with E10 (10 percent ethanol 90 percent unleaded gasoline) Approval of the dispensing device or related dispensing equipment for use with alcohol blended motor fuel requires that the dispensing device and related dispensing equipment be listed for use with E10 and that periodic inspection be conducted to verify that the equipment is functioning properly Useful forms for documenting inspections can be found in PEIRP500-05 Recommended Practices for Inspection and Maintenance of Motor Fuel Dispensing Equipment and are also available at wwwpeiorgrp500 In addition the authority having jurisdiction may take into account other factors including actual field experience evidence of compatibility (eg manufacturerrsquos declaration) and functionality by government agencies trade associations and testing laboratories Underwriters Laboratories Inc has listed dispensing devices and related dispensing equipment for alcohol blended motor fuels up to E10 and more recently has begun listing dispensing devices for alcohol blended motor fuels up to E25 (25 percent ethanol 75 percent unleaded gasoline) However the majority of existing dispensing devices and related dispensing equipment currently in service at motor fuel dispensing facilities are not listed for use with alcohol blended motor fuels with more than 10 percent ethanol While higher alcohol blended motor fuels (eg E85 85 percent ethanol 15 percent unleaded gasoline) are typically sold as an alternative to E10 the mid-level alcohol blended motor fuels such as E15 if approved by the U S Environmental Protection Agency might likely become a replacement for current motor fuels either through state or federal mandates or because of supply chain restrictions In order to maintain the supply of motor fuel this might require the sale of mid-level blends through the existing dispensing devices and related dispensing equipmentrdquo

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Report on Comments ndash June 2011 NFPA 30A_______________________________________________________________________________________________30A- Log 6

_______________________________________________________________________________________________John F Bender Underwriters Laboratories Inc

30A-6Revise text as follows

Underwriters Laboratories Inc 333 Pfingsten Road Northbrook IL 60062-2096UL 87 Standard for Power-Operated Dispensing Devices for Petroleum Products 2001 Revised 2008ANSIUL 842 Standard for Valves for Flammable Fluids 2007 Revised 2010UL 2080 Standard for Fire Resistant Tanks for Flammable and Combustible Liquids 2000ANSIUL 2085 Standard for Protected Aboveground Tanks for Flammable and Combustible Liquids 1997 Revised

1999UL 2245 Standard for Below-Grade Vaults for Flammable Liquid Storage Tanks 2006

Updated referenced standards to most recent revisions Add ANSI approval designation to ANSIUL842 and ANSIUL 2085

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Report on Comments ndash June 2011 NFPA 30A_______________________________________________________________________________________________30A- Log 4

_______________________________________________________________________________________________Marshall A Klein Marshall A Klein amp Associates Inc

30A-7Revise text to read as follows

331 Basement Basement For the purposes of this code a story of a building or structure having one-half or more ofits height below ground level and to which access for fire-fighting purposes is restricted [302008] Any story of a buildingwholly or partly below grade plane that is not considered the first story above grade plane (Also see 33X ldquoFirst StoryAbove Grade Planerdquo 33Y ldquoGrade Planerdquo and 33Z ldquoStoryrdquo) [5000 2009]33X First Story Above Grade Plane Any story having its finished floor surface entirely above grade plane except

that a basement shall be considered as a first story above grade plane where the finished surface of the floor above thebasement is (1) more than 6 ft (1830 mm) above grade plane or (2) more than 12 ft (3660 mm) above the finished levelat any point (See also 33Z ldquoStoryrdquo) [5000 2009]33Z Story The portion of a building located between the upper surface of a floor and the upper surface of the floor or

roof next above [5000 2009]33Y Grade Plane A reference plane representing the average of the finished ground level adjoining the building at all

exterior walls When the finished ground level slopes down from the exterior walls the grade plane is established by thelowest points within the area between the building and the lot line or when the lot line is more than 6 ft (1830 mm) fromthe building between the building and a point 6 ft (1830 mm) from the building (See also 33W ldquoFinished Ground Level(Graderdquo) [5000 2009]33W Finished Ground Level (Grade) The level of the finished ground (earth or other surface on ground) (See also33Y ldquoGrade Planerdquo) [5000 2009]

The Committeersquos substantiation for this Committee Proposal was ldquoThis definition is the preferreddefinition from the NFPA Glossary of Terms Changing the secondary definition to the preferred definition complies withthe Glossary of Terms Projectrdquo Also the Committeersquos statement said in part ldquohellipThe key issue relative to NFPA 30A issafe access to and evacuation from the basement area by emergency responders during an emergencyrdquo

Since the first edition of the NFPA 5000 Building Code the NFPA 30A Committee has attempted to be in correlationwith NFPA 5000 and the other Model Building Code in the the United States IBC The dispensing facilities and repairgarage buildings constructed under the NFPA 30A are also required to comply with the local building code which will beeither NFPA 5000 or IBC The proposed definition for ldquobasementrdquo that is taken from NFPA 30 is more suited for thelarger flammable and combustible types of facilities built under NFPA 30 not the service centersrepair garages builtunder NFPA 30A and the building codes

NFPA 30A should stay with its present position to correlate with the definition for a ldquobasementrdquo with NFPA 5000ldquoBuilding Construction and safety Coderdquo and not replace this definition with the one that is in NFPA 30 ldquoFlammable andCombustible Liquids Coderdquo

The term ldquobasementrdquo is only used in the NFPA 30A Code in Section 423 that deals with ignitable vapors in abasement or pit and Section 746 that applies when sprinklers are required to be installed in the basement of a majorrepair garage The two NFPA 30A sections on basements relate more to the application of the requirements in NFPA5000 and IBC than to the requirements in NFPA 30 ldquoFlammable and Combustible Liquids Coderdquo As I have notedabove during the development of the NFPA 5000 Building Code the NFPA 30A Committee was very careful tocorrelate its requirements with NFPA 5000 NFPA 101 amp IBC so that there would be minimum conflicts in theapplication of the requirements of NFPA 30A with these other Codes that greatly impact the design and construction ofMotor Fuel Dispensing Facilities and Repair Garages The definition of ldquobasementrdquo is critically important forbuilding design and should be correlated with the building codes used throughout the US and we should not use adifferent definition for basement that would cause confusion and cost in the design and application of the NFPA 30Arequirements where NFPA 5000 NFPA 101 or IBC Codes are also adopted

I have also included the addition of the definitions of ldquoFirst Story Above Grade Planerdquo ldquoStoryrdquo ldquoGrade Planerdquo andldquoFinished Ground Level (Grade)rdquo from NFPA 5000 to provide complete correlation on these building definitions withNFPA 5000 and the IBC For individuals using NFPA 30A that are only used to working with NFPA 30 these definitions

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Report on Comments ndash June 2011 NFPA 30Amay seem like overkill but to the great majority of code officials designers and owners of these types of dispensingfacilities and repair garages correlation of these terms with NFPA 5000 and IBC are critical to prevent major conflictsdelays and cost increases in interpretations and applications of code requirements between the building departmentsand fire departments

In summation based on the two sections in NFPA 30A that cover a ldquobasementrdquo requirement it serves the public interestbetter to use the ldquobasementrdquo definition and its related building definitions from NFPA 5000 to properly correlate with themodel buildings codes not NFPA 30

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Report on Comments ndash June 2011 NFPA 30A_______________________________________________________________________________________________30A- Log 1

_______________________________________________________________________________________________Alex Ralston Petcon Inc

NARevise text to read as follows

Means shall be provided to sound an audible alarm when the liquid level in the tank reaches 90 percent of capacityMeans shall also be provided either to automatically stop the flow of liquid into the tank when the liquid level reaches 98percent capacity or to restrict the flow of liquid into the tank to a maximum flow rate of 95L min (25 gpm) when theliquid level in the tank reaches 95 percent capacityThe federal underground storage tank rules state that means shall be provided to stop the flow of liquid into the tank

when the liquid reaches 95 percent capacity or restrict the flow into the tank when the liquid level reaches 90 percentcapacity

None given

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Report on Comments ndash June 2011 NFPA 30A_______________________________________________________________________________________________30A- Log 2

_______________________________________________________________________________________________Alex Ralston Petcon Inc

NARevise text to read as follows

On remote pressure pumping systems each pump shall have installed on the discharge side a listed leak detectiondevice that will provide an audible or visible indication if the piping and dispensing devices are not liquid tight Replace with device that will either restrict the flow of product to the dispenser or shut-off the flow of product to

indicate if the piping and dispensing devices are liquid tightThe explanation attempts to explain the federal underground storage tank regulations however the

regulation that provides for an audible or visible alarm relates to overfill prevention in federal regulations not leakdetectionThe regulations on leak detection for pressurized piping in the explanation are correct but if youll note nowhere in the

explanation is audible or visual alarms mentioned

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Report on Comments ndash June 2011 NFPA 30A_______________________________________________________________________________________________30A- Log 8

_______________________________________________________________________________________________Robert Bourke Northeastern Regional Fire Code Development Committee

30A-42Revise to read 623 Fuel-dispensing systems including dispensers hoses nozzleshelliphelliphellip

blended motor fuels shall be listed or approved for the specific purposeThis requirement should only be stating that the equipment is listed for the specific purpose

ldquoApprovedrdquo by definition means ldquoacceptable to the AHJrdquoToo often a Standard may misuse the word ldquoapprovedrdquo in order to not exclude other listing organizations that publish

its list in a document that they refer to as an ldquoApproval Guiderdquo Regardless the document is still a listing

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Report on Comments ndash June 2011 NFPA 30A_______________________________________________________________________________________________30A- Log 3

_______________________________________________________________________________________________David B Wechsler The Dow Chemical Company

30A-34Revise and add new sentences shown under 831 and A831 and modify Table 831 as

indicated831 Table 831 shall be used to delineate and classify areas for the purposes of installing electrical wiring and

electrical utilization equipment (See also Figure 831) WARNING The US National Electrical Code has differentequipment and installation requirements from other International Standards Therefore for example equipment used inEurope may not be acceptable for installation in the USA831 The designation and decision installation and use of electrical equipment for Classes and Divisions in

hazardous (classified) locations are defined Article 500 501 and 504 of NFPA 70 National Electrical Code Thedesignation and design installation and use of electrical equipment for Classes and Zones in hazardous (classified)locations are defined in Article 505 and 504 of NFPA 70 National Electrical Code The designation and designinstallation and use of electrical equipment in lsquoZonesrsquo Zone 0 Zone 1 and Zone 2 are addressed in other internationalstandardsWithin Table 831 add a new column titled ldquoZones and copy the information from the Class I Zone column into this

new columnAlternatively to all of the above remove the ldquoZonesrdquo column completely from Table 831

While the stated intent of this proposal is understood as being to try and deal with the internationalnature of applying NFPA 30A there are problems with the approach presented by a simple extraction from the NECFirst as presented the new column only addresses the US Zone methodology The US Zone methodology for

flammable vapor gases liquids and combustible vapors and liquids is identified by the terms lsquoClass I Zone 0rsquo lsquoClass IZone 1rsquo and lsquoClass I Zone 2rsquo However under the IEC or ATEX (aka Europe International) the terms are simply lsquoZone0rsquo lsquoZone 1rsquo or lsquoZone 2rsquo Therefore the table revision is not correct for international useSecond this TIA and proposal was to lsquoincorporate the (European) Zone System of designating hazardous (classified)

locations and the allowable wiring methods and electrical utilization devices that can be used in themrsquo However the USNEC is not an international code Thus while the US NEC Article 505 does permit the use of the Class I Zonemethodology adding this column in NFPA 30A does not address the more complex nature of the design and installationproblems associated with Zone certified equipment in the US The NEC under Article 5059 Equipment provides for theuse of only AEx equipment as may be seen for example under paragraph ldquo(2) Zone Equipment Equipment meeting oneor more of the protection techniques described in 5058 shall be marked with all of the following in the order shown(1) Class(2) Zone(3) Symbol ldquoAExrdquo(4) Protection technique(s) in accordance with Table 5059(C)(2)(4)(5) Applicable gas classification group(s) in accordance with Table 9(C)(1)(2)Without adding additional text usersinspectors etc may think using Zones is just like using the Division methodology

This is not true and equipment not otherwise permitted under the US NEC may be installed because of the impliedactions currently reflected in this proposal This is a significant issue

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Report on Comments ndash June 2011 NFPA 30A_______________________________________________________________________________________________30A- Log 9

_______________________________________________________________________________________________Donald R Offerdahl North Dakota State Electrical Board

30A-36Insert figure for 831(B)

Insert Artwork Figure 831(A) and 831(B) Here

Proposal 30A-36 should have been accepted in principal these types of storage tanks and dispensersare widely used in farms construction sites and business fleet operations

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Report on Comments ndash June 2011 NFPA 30A_______________________________________________________________________________________________30A- Log 5

_______________________________________________________________________________________________Mindy Wang Ampco Safety Tools

30A-39Not proposing new text Please see comment in Substantiation

Although procedures for cleanup of spills is not within the scope of NFPA 30A we feel compelled toaddress API 2214 referenced by the Committee Information presented below shows API 2214 is misleading andundermines safe work practices In fact API 2214 conflicts with OSHA regulations Accredited Standards Developerrsquosstandards and safe work practices FM Approvals LLC formerly Factory Mutual Research Corporation (FM) is an international organization recognized

by the US government as a Nationally Recognized Testing Laboratory (NRTL) for scientific research and productcertification Product approval from a NRTL assures that products meet consensus-based standards of safety to providethe assurance required by OSHA that these products are safe for use in the United States workplace FM ApprovalStandard 7910 Spark Resistant Tools is used as guidance to evaluate tools intended for use in environments wherethere is a risk of ignition of flammable materials dusts or vapors resulting from sparks created by iron and steel handtools These tools prevent the ignition of flammable materials dusts or vapors by mechanical sparks created by the useof iron and steel hand tools slipping or striking a surface American Petroleum Institute (API) Publication 2214contradicts NRTL research and product certification as evidence in FM Approvals granted for spark resistance toolsFM has conducted tests of Ampco Safety Tools as covered in Report Job Identification No IN4A0AF in accordancewith the requirements of Safety Tools Approval Test Procedure Class 7910 and test results show

Sparks created from steel plates ignited carbon disulfide saturated pads eight of eight tests ethyl ether pads fiveof eight tests and naphtha VMampP four of eight tests

No sparks were observed and no ignition of the flammable liquids mentioned above from approved Ampco SafetyTools Other investigations also contradict APIrsquos conclusion on non-sparking tools A paper published in the Fire Protection

Journal ldquoThe Danger of Incendive Sparksrdquo stated that after APIrsquos conclusion on ldquonon-sparkingrdquo tools Institute ofPetroleum sought the advice of the Fire Research Board Committee on Industrial Fires and Explosion This committeecame to certain conclusions one of which was ldquoUntilhellipevidence is obtained to show that the impact of steel hand toolson steel is safe it is advisable to use non-sparking tools in situations where flammable atmospheres are unavoidablerdquo The NFPA Fire Protection Handbook 20th edition published in January 2008 does not support the conclusion that

API 2214 represents In fact many NFPA codes the use of ldquonon-sparkingrdquo tools in flammable atmospheresAccording to NFPA Fire Protection Handbook ldquoWhen flammable and combustible liquids are stored or handled theliquid is usually exposed to the air at some stage in the operation except where the storage is confined to sealedcontainers that are not filled or opened on the premises or where handling is in closed systems and vapor losses arerecovered Even when the storage or handling is in a closed system there is always the possibility of breaks or leakswhich permit the liquid to escape It is a to eliminate sources of ignition in places where low flashpointflammable liquids are stored handled or used even though no vapor may ordinarily be presentrdquo NFPA 921 Guide for Fire and Explosion Investigations 2008 Edition Chapter 5 Basic Fire Science Table 5711

Reported Burning and Sparking Temperature of Selected Ignition Sources under Mechanical Sparks lists a Steel tooltemperature at 2550degF When working with flammable gases liquids or vapors a potential hazard arises because of thepossibility that sparks produced by steel or iron tools can become an ignition source OSHA Flammable and Combustible Liquids regulation 29 CFR Parts 1910106(b) on tank storage paragraph

1910106(b)(6) states that precaution shall be taken to eliminate or control sources of ignitions including frictional heatand mechanical sparks to prevent the ignition of flammable vapors In OSHA regulation 29 CFR 1910146 Permit-Required Confined Spaces Appendix D Confined Space Pre-Entry

Check List non-sparking tool is listed as one type of entry equipment OSHA 29 CFR 1910146 StandardInterpretations Interpretative guidance and equipment approved for hazardous locations relative to the Permit-RequiredConfined Spaces states that ldquohellipthe standard does not prohibit entry into a permit space where a hazardous flammableatmosphere is at or above the 10 LFL For concentrations at or above 10 LFL paragraph (d) would theemployer to incorporate safe work procedures to address the flammableexplosive hazard (such as equipment approvedfor hazardous locations) in the entry plan for those spaces Electrical equipment as well as other sources of ignition(non-sparking hand tools) be considered and addressed for the hazardous atmosphererdquo OSHA regulation 29 CFR Parts 1910120 Hazardous waste operations and emergency response paragraph

1910120(j)(2)(v) requires that ldquoWhen there is a reasonable possibility of flammable atmospheres being present

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Report on Comments ndash June 2011 NFPA 30Amaterial handling equipment and hand tools shall be of the type to prevent sources of ignition EPA has identifiedsolvents such as xylene acetone ethyl acetate ethyl benzene and ethyl ether commonly used in all industries (theF-list) and discarded commercial chemical products such as acetone benzene ethyl ether and xylene (the P-list andU-list) as ignitable hazardous wastes API members such as ExxonMobil and Chevron as well as others in the petroleum industry such as Valero CITGO

Petroleum Corporation Chem-Supply Pty Ltd Irving Oil Ltd Petrol Star Inc Nova Chemicals and El Paso Corporationregularly the use of ldquonon-sparkingrdquo tools under Accidental Release Measures and Handling and Storage sectionsin the MSDSrsquos for their petroleum products These companies clearly recognize the need for ldquonon-sparkingrdquo tools inworking with and around flammable materials API 2214 Section 12 Background ldquohellipthese engineers pointed out that although numerous opportunities existed for

the production of sparks from violent contact of steel objects with other steel objects there was a negligible record offires resulting from such a causerdquo On the contrary there are a number of documented incidents involving flammablevapors ignited by steel sparks from tools A few examples are as follows

OSHA inspection 300965795 an employee in the process of cleaning loose material from drill piping with ametal hammer While striking the pipe with a hammer an explosion occurred Employee was killed in the explosion onsite

OSHA inspection 2272953 two employees were assigned the job of tending a 100 gallon (water jacket) reactorkettle of methyl methacrylate in the mixing room Employee 1 used a metal wrench (visegrips) to pry open the cover ofa kettle The wrench handle struck the angle iron support for the agitator motor producing a spark Employee 2noticed the spark which was immediately followed by a massive ldquofire ballrdquo Both employees were engulfed in thefireball Employee 3 came to the area to assist the other employees The investigation states that non-sparking toolswere not provided for the employees All three employees received first and second degree burns on their face armsand abdomen Employee 2 also received some third degree burns All three employees were hospitalized

OSHA inspection 124728437 Employee 1 and a coworker both maintenance mechanics were working in a 30inch by 36 inch manhole at a gas station Employee 1 was trying to change a fuel pump while the coworker watchedfrom outside the manhole Employee 1 was using an Allen wrench to loosen the bolts on the fuel pump lead when hecreated a spark that ignited the gas fumes in the manhole causing an explosion Employee 1 suffered burns to hisface hands arms and legs in the explosion and was hospitalized

OSHA inspection 111109237 Employee 1 or 3 attempted to cut a metal pipe with a metal saw whileEmployee 2 was standing on top of one of two 5000 gallon gas tanks trying to remove a tank fitting Sparks from thesaw the pipe wrench or another unknown source ignited the gas vapors which exploded Employees 1 and 3 werekilled of burns at the scene Employee 2 died at the burn center as a result of burns sustained in the explosion

OSHA inspection 102826625 Employee 1 worked for a company that cleans paints and replaces valves in LPand MAPP gas cylinders Before removing an old valve Employee 1 would open the valve to let the residual gas leakout on the loading dock Where there was a large quantity of cylinders Employee 1 would invert the cylinder so theresidual gas could vent faster Employee 1 had an accumulation of a gas and air mixture around his work area Thevapors were ignited either by a spark from the metal screwdriver he was using to open a damaged valve or by an openflame burner approximately 40 feet away There was a fire and explosion The employee sustained 2nd and 3rd degreeburns on the lower half of his body and was hospitalized

OSHA inspection 607366 an employee was sawing an airplane wing into sections with a portable powered handsaw the saw created a spark that caused an explosion of gasoline vapors in the wing fuel tank Employee 1 killed andEmployee 2 injured in explosion and was hospitalized

OSHA inspection 309178523 employer was cited for violating Section 5(a)(1) of the Occupational Safety andHealth Act of 1970 often referred to as the General Duty Clause which requires employers to furnish to each of hisemployees employment and a place of employment which are free from recognized hazards that are causing or arelikely to cause death or serious physical harm to his employees for exposing employee to an explosion hazard byopening the hydrogen tube trailer main valve without using non-sparking tools

OSHA inspection 304994304 employer was cited for violating Section 5(a)(1) of the Occupational Safety andHealth Act of 1970 violation for exposing employee to a fireexplosion hazard while performing maintenance operationson LP gas tanks with ferrous tools One feasible and acceptable abatement method to correct this hazard is toimplement the use of non- sparking toolsThe Report of the BP US Refineries independent Safety Review Panel also known as the Baker Panel Report states

that ldquoPreventing process accidents requires vigilance The passing of time without a process accident is not necessarilyan indicator that all is well and may contribute to a dangerous and growing sense of complacencyrdquo This sample ofOSHA documented events illustrates accidents do happen when proper safety measures are not taken againstmechanical sparks from steel tools as a possible ignition sourceHaving said that we appreciate the Committeersquos time and agree with the Committee that procedures for cleanup of

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Report on Comments ndash June 2011 NFPA 30Aspills is not within the scope of NFPA 30A

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Report on Comments ndash June 2011 NFPA 30A_______________________________________________________________________________________________30A- Log 7

_______________________________________________________________________________________________Robert Bourke Northeastern Regional Fire Code Development Committee

30A-19Add a new section to read 11721 Where approved by the Authority Having Jurisdiction piers

that extend more than 152 m (500 ft) in travel distance from shore shall be permitted to provide a Class I standpipe thatis installed in accordance with NFPA 14 Standard for the Installation of Standpipe and Hose Systems

The TC missed the point in the substantiation of the proposalIt was not the intent of the proposal to obtain additional flexibility of FD use over that which is provided by a Class III

standpipe system The intent of the proposal was to provide relief from the requirement where the local AHJ feels thatthe effectiveness and likelihood of occupant use of fire hoses does not justify the added risk to the occupant or theinstallation and maintenance costs associated with the requisite hose for a Class III system A Class I system would stillprovide FD fire fighting capabilities in jurisdictions where the AHJ prefers occupants to evacuate and not attempt to fightfires beyond portable fire extinguisher capability

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From Benedetti BobTo bcotnerswriorgCc Harrington Greg Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiBcc May PaulSubject Inquiry NFPA 30 amp NFPA 30ADate Thursday July 08 2010 121900 PM

Good Morning Mr Cotner Greg Harrington asked that I respond to your question about the proper use ofintermediate bulk containers Actually an intermediate bulk container is a shipping vessel that must meetrequirements and specifications of the U S Department of Transportation for shippingmaterials from Point A to Point B It is not intended to be a storage vessel althoughthe liquid contained is obviously dispensed from the vessel for use Dispensing of motor fuels is covered by NFPA 30A Code for Motor Fuel DispensingFacilities and Repair Garages NFPA 30A states in Subsection 421 421 Liquids shall be stored in the following(1) Approved closed containers that do not exceed 227 L (60 gal) capacity and arelocated outside buildings(2) Tanks or approved closed containers located inside motor fuel dispensingfacilities or repair garages(3) Aboveground tanks underground tanks and containers in accordance with therequirements of Section 43(4) Tanks supplying marine service stations in accordance with Section 112 Section 43 states the following 432 Aboveground Storage Tanks Except as modified by the provisions of thissubsection aboveground storage tanks shall meet all applicable requirements ofChapters 21 through 23 and 27 of NFPA 30 Flammable and Combustible Liquids Code So in accordance with NFPA 30A Subsection 421(3) indicates that abovegroundstorage of motor fuel must be in a tank that meets the provisions of Section 43 Thelatter in turn references the Chapters in NFPA 30 that deal with fixed storage tanks Nowhere in these chapters is there any reference to an intermediate bulk container Chapter 9 of NFPA 30 does recognize an intermediate bulk container for warehouse-type storage of Class I flammable liquids but does not anticipate continual dispensingand use One could evaluate an intermediate bulk container as a means of long-term storageand dispensing of liquids under the Equivalency clause My opinion is that an intermediate bulk container is not considered a substitute for anaboveground storage tank but this is not specifically stated in the relevant codes This issue will be added to the agendas for the Technical Committees involved Please understand that this response is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 ofNFPArsquos Regulations Governing Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon todefinitively determine compliance with any laws ordinances rules or regulations Todetermine legal compliance you should refer to the appropriate authority havingjurisdiction or seek legal advice It is not intended nor should it be relied upon toprovide professional consultation or services To determine the adequacy or safety ofany device or installation you should consult with an appropriate professional

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I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write Iwill be happy to assist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant toNFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does notnecessarily represent the official position of the NFPA or its Technical Committees Inaddition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it be relied upon to provideprofessional consultation or services cc 30IFI 30AIFI AUVNM FLCSWCNM FLCTANNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

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From Harrington Greg Sent Wednesday July 07 2010 350 PMTo Benedetti BobSubject FW Intermediate Bulk Containers Hi Bob Can you answer the question below Hersquos a friend of mine former inspector with San Antonio FD when Iworked down there now a safety guy at SWRI Thanks a lot --Greg

From Bill Cotner [mailtobcotnerswriorg] Sent Wednesday July 07 2010 332 PMTo Harrington GregSubject Intermediate Bulk Containers Hey Greg howrsquos the heat in Boston here it is a balmy 93 enjoying it I have a question probably out ofyour area but Irsquom sure you know who to route it to We have a group here that wants to dispense fuelfrom a stainless steel IBC into test engines I donrsquot think that is the intended use or what it has beenlisted for Can I get some guidance on this issue I appreciate anything you can do for me Bill Bill CotnerSenior Fire SpecialistEnvironmental Safety and Quality SystemsSouthwest Research InstitutePhone (210) 522-5101Fax (210) 522-5093Mobile (210) 669-7005Email bcotner swriorg

From Benedetti BobTo Ebanks DesmondCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiBcc May PaulSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Monday June 14 2010 35400 PM

Good afternoon Mr Ebanks The intent of Subsection 422 of NFPA 30A Code for Motor Fuel Dispensing Facilities and RepairGarages is that there be no direct piped connection between the aboveground storage tank inthe bulk plant and the fuel dispensing device in the motor fuel dispensing facility In my opinionthis includes any intervening underground storage tank The hazard being addressed is the potential to overfill the underground storage tank due to thestatic head of the liquid in the aboveground storage tank Please understand that this response is a personal opinion and does not constitute a FormalInterpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 of NFPArsquos RegulationsGoverning Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitively determine compliancewith any laws ordinances rules or regulations To determine legal compliance you shouldrefer to the appropriate authority having jurisdiction or seek legal advice It is not intended norshould it be relied upon to provide professional consultation or services To determine theadequacy or safety of any device or installation you should consult with an appropriateprofessional I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will behappy to assist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPARegulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarilyrepresent the official position of the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition thiscorrespondence is neither intended nor should it be relied upon to provide professional consultation orservices cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg Attend the premier event for fire life safety and electrical professionals

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From Ebanks Desmond [mailtoDesmondEbanksgovky] Sent Monday May 24 2010 940 AMTo Benedetti BobSubject bulk storage supply to motor fuel facilities Hi Bob NFPA 30A (2003) 422 gives to positions in relation to motor fuel dispensing facilities (mfdf) that I would like to havefurther clarified for Code intent please The first is that dispensing devices at the mfdf shall not be supplied by ASTs located in the bulk plant Does this implythat supply from a UST (underground storage tank) in the bulk storage facility would be acceptable or to the other extentthat even if the bulk AST supplied a loading rack which in turn supplied a UST both in the bulk facility that supplyfrom the bulk AST is still not permitted The second statement refers to any storage tank at the mfdf saying they shall not be connected by piping to bulkfacility ASTs Similarly does this imply that a UST (underground storage tank) in the bulk storage facility would beacceptable or that if the bulk tank was connected to a loading rack and the loading rack connected by non-permanentmeans to an mfdf tank that this would be permissible RegardsDes EbanksAssistant Petroleum InspectorThe Petroleum InspectorateCayman Islands GovernmentAnderson Square 4th floorPO Box 31213Grand CaymanKY1-1205Cayman IslandsOffice 345 244 3458Mobile 345 925 3317Fax 345 949 0920Email desmondebanksgovky

From Benedetti BobTo Shriniwas BodhankarCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiBcc May PaulSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Monday June 14 2010 50100 PM

Good day Sir There has been no discussion by the Technical Committee on Automotive and Marine ServiceStations to alter the separation distances in Table 4324 of NFPA 30A Code for Motor FuelDispensing Facilities and Repair Garages as they pertain to liquid fuels including high flashpoint diesel fuels Also there have been no proposals to make such a change to NFPA 30A I trust this answers your question R P Benedetti cc -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

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From Shriniwas Bodhankar [mailtobodhankarenoccom] Sent Tuesday June 01 2010 536 AMTo Maynard Mary Benedetti BobSubject NFPA 30 A Dear sir Reference is made to table no 4324 of NFPA code 30A specifying the minimum distance between storagetanks and dispensing equipment A dispenser should be placed minimum 50 feet away from a bunded abovegroundsteel tank to meet this requirementIn our opinion this is too stringent and uncalled for in case of high flash diesel ( Flash point above 65 degreecentigrade) A bunded tank where spill can be contained within bund is as safe as a vaulted tankfire resistanttankprotected tank Therefore it is equally safe to install an approved dispensing device immediately outside thebund provided the vent of the tank is 4 meters above the grade level on which the dispensing device is installedVarious international oil companies like SHELL amp BP carry similar installations for their fleet customers of dieselMoreover there are standard skids being marketed in EUROPE (even for gasoline) which have storage tanks and

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dispensers on same skid and such an arrangement is accepted by ldquoAuthority Having Jurisdictionrdquo(AHJ)Kindly advise if this standard requirement is being reviewed or otherwise if based on performance based designsuch a requirement may be waived or considered as ldquo highly recommendedrdquo in the leastBased on your feedback we wish to discuss this with AHJ in UAE Regards Regards Shriniwas BodhankarSenior EHS Compliance Officer( Special Projects)Group EHSQ Compliance DepartmentEmirates National Oil Company Limited (ENOC) LLC ENOC House I PO Box 6442Dubai United Arab EmiratesDirect +971 4 313 4437Fax +971 4 313 4482bodhankarenoccom | wwwenoccom

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From Benedetti BobTo EActonccfireusCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiBcc May PaulSubject Inquiry NFPA 30A amp NFPA 30Date Monday August 02 2010 44400 PMAttachments DSC06169JPG

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Good day Mr Acton Fire protection provisions for major and minor repair garages and ldquolube-onlyrdquofacilities which is the topic of your concern are provided in NFPA 30A Code for MotorFuel Dispensing Facilities and Repair Garages currently 2008 edition Chapter 5 ofNFPA 30A covers piping systems but its specific provisions focus on piping systemsbetween fuel storage tanks and fuel dispensers Chapter 5 also directly referencesChapter 27 of the 2008 edition of NFPA 30 Flammable and Combustible Liquids Code(successor to Chapter 5 of the 2003 edition) Subsection 527 of NFPA 30A allows piping made from low-melting point materials tobe installed in exposed areas but only in specific locations These are limited tocontainment sumps under dispensers containment sumps for underground fuelstorage tanks and sumps for below-grade piping connections Chapter 5 of NFPA 30Ais silent on piping inside buildings Therefore the user is left with the provisions ofChapter 27 of NFPA 30 NFPA 30 in turn does allow piping fabricated of low melting point materials to beused exposed outdoors or inside buildings with the following provisions ldquo27441 Such materials shall be permitted to be used outdoors above ground orinside buildings provided they meet one of the following conditions (1) They are resistant to damage by fire(2) They are located so that any leakage resulting from failure will not exposepersons important buildings or structures(3) They are located where leakage can be controlled by operation of one or moreaccessible remotely located valvesrdquo Regardless of the material of construction of the piping and components the followinggeneral requirement from Chapter 27 of NFPA 30 always applies ldquo273 General Requirements2731 Performance Standards The design fabrication assembly test and inspectionof piping systems shall be suitable for the working pressures and structural stresses tobe encountered by the piping system Compliance with applicable sections of ASMEB31 Code for Pressure Piping and the provisions of this chapter shall be consideredprima facie evidence of compliance with the foregoing provisions2732 Tightness of Piping Piping systems shall be maintained liquidtight A pipingsystem that has leaks that constitute a hazard shall be emptied of liquid or repaired ina manner acceptable to the authority having jurisdictionrdquo Your interpretation of Subsection 511 of the 2003 edition of NFPA 30 (2711 in the2008 edition) is correct the chapter applies to any piping system that handles aflammable or combustible liquid regardless of pressure Likewise you are correct thatthe piping system must meet the provisions of ASME B31 for the material chosen andthe anticipated operating pressures and temperatures (531 in the 2003 edition 2741 in the 2008 edition) However low melting point materials (aluminum copperbrass and polymeric materials) are allowed under the provisions of Subsection 534(2003 edition) and 2744 (2008 edition) What must be determined is does thepiping system comply with one of the conditions stated in 27441 as stated above

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Please understand that this response is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 ofNFPArsquos Regulations Governing Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon todefinitively determine compliance with any laws ordinances rules or regulations Todetermine legal compliance you should refer to the appropriate authority havingjurisdiction or seek legal advice It is not intended nor should it be relied upon toprovide professional consultation or services To determine the adequacy or safety ofany device or installation you should consult with an appropriate professional I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write Iwill be happy to assist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant toNFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does notnecessarily represent the official position of the NFPA or its Technical Committees Inaddition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it be relied upon to provideprofessional consultation or services cc 30IFI 30AIFI AUVNM FLCTANNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

If you have a reported fire in your home the risk of dyingdecreases by about 80 percent when sprinklers are present

wwwfiresprinklerinitiativeorgNotice The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intendedfor the exclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential andor privileged information If you arenot the intended recipient please notify Robert Benedetti immediately by replying to the message or by calling(617) 984-7433 Please delete this message and any attachments from your system Thank you

From Eric Acton [mailtoEActonccfireus] Sent Monday July 19 2010 636 PMTo Benedetti BobSubject InterpretationOpinion request

Good day My name is Eric Acton I am the Fire Marshal for Campbell CountyWyoming and Irsquom employed by Campbell County Fire Department My NFPA

membership number is 2755369 My mailing and email addresses are listed below I am in need of a technical opinion regarding 2003 NFPA 30 Chapter 5 or morecurrently 2008 NFPA 30A Chapter 5 Some brief project backgroundAn owner within my jurisdiction has built a commercial lube-oil center to servicecustomersrsquo vehicles A ldquopitrdquo exists below the service bay to allow workers to drainthe oil from the vehicle then workers on the main floor refill the oil by use ofpressurized nozzles Several motor oil storage tanks are located in the pitaccounting for several brands and viscosities of oil The tanks are designed to befilled by use of a piping system which extends from an exterior connection vault toeach of the storage tanks using gravity to move the product in the fill-pipingsystem The material the owner chose to construct the fill-piping system wasldquostandardrdquo 1-12rdquo Schedule 40 PVC and Parker Series 7094 Electrically Non-Conductive rubber hose The piping system is exposed it is not underground nor isit protected from flame by means of a fire-rated chase Having identified the use of combustible liquids in this occupancy I utilized 2006International Fire Code (as adopted by my jurisdiction) Chapter 34 Flammable andCombustible Liquids to review and inspect the project IFC Section 340362referred me to NFPA 30 Chapter 5 for the construction materials to use where Iinterpreted (2003 version) 30511 to mean that the piping system components (pipetubing flanges bolting gaskets valves fittingshellip) must meet the requirementsregardless of pressure And that the following components specified in theparagraph must meet the requirements ONLY if they contained pressure ndashhelliprdquoexpansion joints and strainers and devices such thathelliprdquo I further interpreted(2003 version) 30531 Material Specifications similarly in that the ldquoPipe valvesfaucets couplingshelliprdquo must meet the requirements regardless of pressure while ldquohellipother pressure-containing partshelliprdquo meant ONLY the other parts that containedpressure Verbatim to 30511 is encountered in 2008 NFPA 30A Chapter 5paragraph 51 Scope The owner states his piping complies with the standard cited because it is gravity-fed hence no ldquopressurerdquo is seen by the piping components I maintain that thepiping system shall consist of metal pipe (or another material meeting therequirements of ASME B31 as allowed by 2003 NFPA 30531) to comply with NFPA30 and IFC Some assistance to resolve this problem is greatly appreciated I have attachedsome photographs for clarification Thanks for your attentionEric

Eric ActonFire MarshalCampbell County Fire Department 106 Rohan Avenue Gillette WY 82716 (307) 682-5319 ext 8912(307) 686-2222 Fax(307) 680-9612 Cell

eactonccfireus (No trees were harmed in the production of this e-mail however a huge number of electrons were horribly inconvenienced)

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From Benedetti BobTo Howard Jim (Woodbridge)Cc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiBcc May PaulSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Monday June 28 2010 115100 AM

Good morning Mr Howard First I appreciate your patience with me while I reviewed the information sent to meby yourself and Mr Luby of Veeder-Root I wanted to ensure that I thoroughlyunderstood how the system functions in its line leak detection mode My understanding of the arrangement of the piping system from the pair ofunderground storage tanks is that the electronic line leak detector the PLLD tests thesupply piping from the two submersible pumps to the dispensers as a single system This includes the direct piping run from the master pump to the dispensers AND thepiping that connects the slave pump to the direct piping run The intent of Subsection 642 of the 2008 edition of NFPA 30A Code for Motor FuelDispensing Facilities and Repair Garages is to ensure that some type of leak detectiondevice monitors the piping from the submersible pump to the dispensers in such amanner that a leak in the piping leading to the dispensers or in the dispensersthemselves is detected and notification of a leak given Since the two pumps act intandem and since the entire piping system from the pumps to the dispensers ismonitored my personal opinion is that the intent of Subsection 642 is met andevaluation of the system described as being equivalent to what is required bySubsection 642 is reasonable Whether the system described meets the criteria of Section 15 Equivalency of NFPA30A must be determined by the authority having jurisdiction As NFPA Staff Liaison forNFPA 30A I cannot make such a determination under NFPArsquos Regulations GoverningCommittee Projects Please understand that this response is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 ofNFPArsquos Regulations Governing Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon todefinitively determine compliance with any laws ordinances rules or regulations Todetermine legal compliance you should refer to the appropriate authority havingjurisdiction or seek legal advice It is not intended nor should it be relied upon toprovide professional consultation or services To determine the adequacy or safety ofany device or installation you should consult with an appropriate professional I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write Iwill be happy to assist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant toNFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does notnecessarily represent the official position of the NFPA or its Technical Committees Inaddition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it be relied upon to provideprofessional consultation or services cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids Engineer

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National Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

If you have a reported fire in your home the risk of dyingdecreases by about 80 percent when sprinklers are present

wwwfiresprinklerinitiativeorgNotice The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intendedfor the exclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential andor privileged information If you arenot the intended recipient please notify Robert Benedetti immediately by replying to the message or by calling(617) 984-7433 Please delete this message and any attachments from your system Thank you

From Howard Jim (Woodbridge) [mailtoJHowardhesscom] Sent Monday June 14 2010 1144 AMTo Benedetti BobCc Howard Jim (Woodbridge) Bob Luby Subject Importance High Bob It was a pleasure talking to you this morning regarding the Line Leak Detection applicationin place at Hess Station 08501 - Milltown DE (drawing attached) as well as several thousandlocations worldwide Here is some background information on this installation

Site had 3 - 10000 gallon gasoline tanks 1 - 10000 Regular (87) 1 - 10000 Plus (89) 1 - 10000 Premium (93) prior to our Dispenser Replacement Project Because of theoverwhelming demand for Regular gasoline (887 in 2009) we converted the existingPlus tank to additional Regular storageDispensers were replaced with new Blend Dispensers Tanks were not manifoldedRegular and former-Plus product lines were manifolded at each dispenserWe installed Veeder-Root PLLDs (Electronic Line Leak Detectors) on the Regular 1and Premium STPs We installed a non-vented Swift Check on Regular 2 (formerPlus) STP Because the PLLD is vented we MUST install a non-vented swift check onRegular STP 2 in order to test the system as a wholeWe have demonstrated via post-construction testing that the system will pick up a 3gph leak

The State of DE has questioned our compliance with NFPA 30A 642 Each pump shallhave installed on the discharge side a listed leak detection device that will provide an audibleor visible indication if the piping or a dispenser is leaking Each leak-detecting device shallbe checked and tested at least annually according to the manufacturers specifications toensure proper installation and operation

Can you comment on whether the system shown on the attached and described above and onour call meets the NFPA requirement or if it meets the definition of Equivalency as definedin Chapter 15 - Equivalency Thank you in advance for your consideration in this matter Please do not hesitate to contactme if there are any questions or concerns on this application ThanksJim Howard RFMPManager Maintenance amp UST ComplianceHess Corporation732-750-6220 (office)800-903-4801 (Emergency Hotline)E-mail UST Inspections to USTCompliancehesscomFax UST Inspections to 866-435-6744

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From Benedetti BobTo Gary KostalCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiBcc May PaulSubject Inquiry NFPA 30 NFPA 30ADate Tuesday August 10 2010 43200 PM

Good afternoon Mr Kostal There are no provisions in NFPA 30 Flammable and Combustible Liquids Code togovern dispensing of motor fuels into motorized equipment and the devices youdescribe are not mentioned at all in NFPA 30 or in the only other related NFPAdocument that might apply NFPA 30A Code for Motor Fuel Dispensing Facilities andRepair Garages I cannot say that these units are either allowed or disallowed because neither NFPA30 nor NFPA 30A speaks about them The only provisions that might apply are the quantity limitations established in thesetwo codes depending on which code applies If the maintenance building is considered an industrial occupancy then Chapter 9 ofNFPA 30 establishes a maximum allowable quantity for of 120 gallons for Class Iliquids (The maximum allowable quantity is actually a threshold value Up to theMAQ compliance with NFPA 30 is not required above it NFPA 30 applies) If the maintenance building is considered a repair garage then NFPA 30A takesprecedence It also sets a 120 gallon limit on the maximum quantity of Class I liquid In both cases the quantity of fuel involved is 50 percent of the maximum allowed Myopinion is that there is no violation of either NFPA 30 or NFPA 30A Please understand that this response is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 ofNFPArsquos Regulations Governing Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon todefinitively determine compliance with any laws ordinances rules or regulations Todetermine legal compliance you should refer to the appropriate authority havingjurisdiction or seek legal advice It is not intended nor should it be relied upon toprovide professional consultation or services To determine the adequacy or safety ofany device or installation you should consult with an appropriate professional I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write Iwill be happy to assist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant toNFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does notnecessarily represent the official position of the NFPA or its Technical Committees Inaddition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it be relied upon to provideprofessional consultation or services cc 30IFI 30AIFI-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch Park

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Quincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg Important Notice This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPA RegulationsAny opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarily represent the officialposition of the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition this correspondence is neither intended norshould it be relied upon to provide professional consultation or services

Visit wwwfirepreventionweekorg or call 800-344-3555 for more information Check out FPW on social mediahellipwwwtwittercomfpw2010wwwfacebookcomfirepreventionweekhttpnfpatypepadcomfpw Check out NFPA onhellip

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From Gary Kostal [mailtogarykbloomingdalefirecom] Sent Monday August 09 2010 328 PMTo Benedetti BobSubject Looking for assistance - portable gas caddies Membership 2329840 Gary KostalFire Prevention DirectorBloomingdale Fire District Question (Non-formal opinion) I have a country club where they service a very large number of lawn maintenance equipment on a dailybasis They are utilizing a portable gas container (gas caddy) that holds approximately 30 gallons ofgasoline The unit is equipped with a hand style pump which is located on the top of the tank Fuel isdispensed from this tank as you crank the pump There are no nozzles located on the hose These gascaddies are being used inside their maintenance building which is fully fire sprinkled They are presentlyusing two of these devices inside the same building which is basically one days use

My question is are these devices allowed for this type of dispensing Are they required to be equippedwith a self closing nozzle What NFPA sections would apply to this particular type of device Thank you for your assistance in this matter

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From Benedetti BobTo SheldonSchallWisconsingovCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Wednesday September 30 2009 45929 PM

Good afternoon Sheldon I will here provide more detailed answers to your questions as posed in the email you sent to me today Section 30A-4323 limits tank storage capacity for Class I and II No limit for Class IIIA or IIIB

You are correct The intent of 4323 is to limit the capacities only of those tanks that storeClass I and II liquids Recall that when NFPA 30A initially allowed aboveground storage tanks atvehicle fueling sites biofuels were not in the picture just gasoline (Class I) and diesel fuel (ClassII) The Technical Committee at the time did not conceive that there would be the need to storeClass III fuels because there werenrsquot any The bottom line NFPA 30A does not limit the capacityof an aboveground storage tank that holds a motor fuel that is a Class III liquid

Section 30A-4324 refers to setbacks in Table 4324 No indication that these setbacks are specific toor exclude any class of flammable or combustible so it appears that the setbacks apply to Class I -Class IIIB liquids This table appears to conflict with the previous section for Class IIIA amp IIIB liquids

This is again correct that the separation distances in Table 4324 are not specific to anyparticular Class of liquid There is no conflict however 4323 deals with tank capacities 4324 deals with separation distances for the tanks Since 4324 does not specify anyparticular liquid class(es) it applies to ALL liquid classes

Section 30A-4325 allows an increased capacity for Class II and III liquids at fleet facilities Thisappears to conflict with section 4323 for Class III liquids which didnt have a capacity limit to startwith

Here there is a conflict or at least a serious inconsistency This provision was added one or twoeditions after 4323 and it appears that biofuels are beginning to be recognized It also appearsthat the intent here was to allow a relaxation of one limit in favor of a more liberal one Theproblem is the original limit doesnrsquot exist making it arguable that the application of 4325 toClass III liquids is meaningless Given the obvious intent here for some limit on Class III liquidfuels 4323 should be amended to include Class IIIs

Section 30A-4327 addresses dispensing from an aboveground tank for Class I and II liquids based uponspecific conditions

Paragraph 4322 is a hold-over dating back to when service stations were covered in Chapter 7of the old versions of NFPA 30 This set of requirements should also be amended to include ClassIIIs

Section 30A-4328 refers to NFPA 30-2171 for spill and overfill This section only applies to class Iand II liquids

While it is true that Subsection 2171 of NFPA 30 only applies to Classes I and II I do not believeit is a conflict for NFPA 30A to also apply it to Class III as well if the Technical Committee it isappropriate to do so However the language needs to be improved or an Annex item should beadded to explain the extrapolation and the reason for it

I will add this to the next meetingrsquos agenda for the Technical Committee on Automotive and MarineService Stations As usual the following applies Please understand that this response to your inquiry is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 of NFPArsquos RegulationsGoverning Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitively determine compliance with anylaws ordinances rules or regulations To determine the adequacy or safety of any device or installationyou should consult with an appropriate professional To determine legal compliance you should refer tothe appropriate authority having jurisdiction or seek legal advice

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I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will be happy toassist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarily represent the official positionof the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it berelied upon to provide professional consultation or services cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

Fire Prevention Week is October 4 ndash 10 2009 Visit wwwfirepreventionweekorg or call 800-344-3555 for moreinformation NFPA Seminars - Apply the codes with confidenceRegister at wwwnfpalearnorg NFPA Membership keeps you up-to-dateVisit wwwnfpaorgjoin for more information Or call 800-344-3555Notice The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for theexclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential andor privileged information If you are not the intendedrecipient please notify Robert Benedetti immediately by replying to the message or by calling (617) 984-7433 Please deletethis message and any attachments from your system Thank you Considering the variables in the sections referenced above are the setbacks in Table 4324 intended toapply to Class IIIA andor Class IIIB liquids for public fueling

From Schall Sheldon - COMMERCE [mailtoSheldonSchallWisconsingov] Sent Wednesday September 30 2009 832 AMTo Benedetti BobSubject NFPA 30A-4324 inquiry - URGENT Section 30A-4323 limits tank storage capacity for Class I and II No limit for Class IIIA or IIIB trueSection 30A-4324 refers to setbacks in Table 4324 No indication that these setbacks are specific toor exclude any class of flammable or combustible so it appears that the setbacks apply to Class I -Class IIIB liquids This table appears to conflict with the previous section for Class IIIA amp IIIB liquids Also trueSection 30A-4325 allows an increased capacity for Class II and III liquids at fleet facilities Thisappears to conflict with section 4323 for Class III liquids which didnt have a capacity limit to startwith Either one or the other needs to changeSection 30A-4327 addresses dispensing from an aboveground tank for Class I and II liquids based uponspecific conditions Need to cover IIIBSection 30A-4328 refers to NFPA 30-2171 for spill and overfill This section only applies to class Iand II liquids Class IIIs need to be specifically addressed Considering the variables in the sections referenced above are the setbacks in Table 4324 intended toapply to Class IIIA andor Class IIIB liquids for public fueling

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From Benedetti BobTo Bill HickmanCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Monday December 14 2009 50332 PM

Good afternoon Mr Hickman To answer your question the separation distances in Table 4324 of NFPA 30A Code for MotorFuel Dispensing Facilities and Repair Garages are intended to apply to outside abovegroundstorage tanks for fuel where such is allowed The tanks inside a service station building majorrepair garage or minor repair garage would likely be handling Class IIIB liquids (flash point gt200 degF) only in accordance with Subsection 4392 of NFPA 30A Subsection 4392 does not set any specific requirements for separation between tanks inside abuilding although it does refer back to Chapters 21 through 23 of NFPA 30 Flammable andCombustible Liquids Code Shell-to-shell spacing distances for aboveground tanks areestablished in Table 22421 Table 22421 is intended for much large tanks than one wouldfind in a repair garage or ldquolube-onlyrdquo facility For example the minimum separation for tanksstoring Class IIIB liquids is 3 feet as set forth in 224212 But again the separationdistances in Chapter 22 of NFPA 30 are intended for tank farm application not for the muchsmaller tanks found in the type of occupancy governed by NFPA 30A Also any facility meeting the requirements of NFPA 30A is considered to be in compliance withNFPA 30 Please understand that this response to your inquiry is a personal opinion and does notconstitute a Formal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 ofNFPArsquos Regulations Governing Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitivelydetermine compliance with any laws ordinances rules or regulations To determine theadequacy or safety of any device or installation you should consult with an appropriateprofessional To determine legal compliance you should refer to the appropriate authorityhaving jurisdiction or seek legal advice I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will behappy to assist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPARegulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarilyrepresent the official position of the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition thiscorrespondence is neither intended nor should it be relied upon to provide professional consultation orservices cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg If you have a reported fire in your home the risk of dyingdecreases by about 80 percent when sprinklers are present

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wwwfiresprinklerinitiativeorgNotice The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for theexclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential andor privileged information If you are not the intendedrecipient please notify Robert Benedetti immediately by replying to the message or by calling (617) 984-7433 Please deletethis message and any attachments from your system Thank you

From Bill Hickman [mailtoBillHickmanstatecous] Sent Tuesday December 01 2009 939 AMTo Benedetti BobSubject Inquiry NFPA 30A - Storage of Liquids Inside Buildings Mr Benedetti Id appreciate your interpretation on an item regarding aboveground tanks storing lubricants (newused oil) inside abuilding at a repair garage NFPA 30A 439 does not include specific spacing requirements for tanks inside buildings Where there are multiple tanks being stored inside the building is there no minimum separation distance requirementthat must be met or do the requirements of Table 4324 apply Thank you in advance for your assistance __________________________________ Bill HickmanInspectorTechnical SpecialistCO Division of Oil amp Public Safety303-378-5090

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From Benedetti BobTo Peznowski EdwardCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Thursday September 03 2009 30455 PM

Hi Ed The 1996 edition of the Flammable and Combustible Liquids Code Handbook was the last one prior to thecurrent 2008 edition The commentary hasnrsquot changed My recollection of the development of this text is that the intent of NFPA 30A Code for Motor FuelDispensing Facilities and Repair Garages is to isolate the motor fuel dispensing area and its attendanthazard completely from the rest of the structure regardless of what else might be in the structure Subsection 524 assumes that the installation involves a motor fuel dispensing operation inside abuilding where you would not expect to have same such as an office building A bus repair facility wouldbe probably classed as a major repair garage and would be expected to have fueling operations Thehazard of this is in my opinion no greater than the repair operations It could be that the language in Subsection 524 needs to be clarified so that it applies only to situationssuch as I first described Please understand that this response to your inquiry is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 of NFPArsquos RegulationsGoverning Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitively determine compliance with anylaws ordinances rules or regulations To determine the adequacy or safety of any device or installationyou should consult with an appropriate professional To determine legal compliance you should refer tothe appropriate authority having jurisdiction or seek legal advice I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will be happy toassist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarily represent the official positionof the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it berelied upon to provide professional consultation or services cc 30AIFI 30AFAQ AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

Fire Prevention Week is October 4 ndash 10 2009 Visit wwwfirepreventionweekorg or call 800-344-3555 for moreinformation NFPA Seminars - Apply the codes with confidenceRegister at wwwnfpalearnorg NFPA Membership keeps you up-to-dateVisit wwwnfpaorgjoin for more information Or call 800-344-3555Notice The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for the

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exclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential andor privileged information If you are not the intendedrecipient please notify Robert Benedetti immediately by replying to the message or by calling (617) 984-7433 Please deletethis message and any attachments from your system Thank you

From Peznowski Edward [mailtoEdwardPeznowskipostatectus] Sent Monday August 31 2009 127 PMTo Benedetti BobSubject NFPA 30A Hi Bob Sorry to bother you but I need your help and interpretation of the following section of NFPA 30A 2000edition 524 - All piping inside buildings but outside the motor fuel dispensing area shall be enclosed within ahorizontal chase or a vertical shaft used only for this piping Vertical shafts and horizontal chases shall beconstructed of materials having a fire resistance rating of not less than 2 hours Bob I have a bus repair facility being built and we have fuel dispensing area within the building enclosedwith a 2hr fire resistive separation My question is I have diesel fuel piping coming from two tanks locatedoutside of the building the piping runs outside of the dispensing area does this piping need to be enclosed Ihave the proper UL listed system for through wall penetrations My problem lies here I have natural gas heating fuel oil lines for boilers and diesel fuel line for thegenerator all running through the area outside the 2 hour rated dispensing area which are not required to beenclosed My thought is within the 2 hour fire resistive construction I have storage rooms for grease and oil a office forfuel dispensing Any fuel piping running through these areas would be enclosed but once I go outside my 2hrrated enclosure the piping would not have to be enclosed NFPA 30A (1996edition)6-42 - All fuel and flammable vapor piping inside buildings but outside the service station area shall beenclosed within a horizontal chase or a vertical shaft used only for this piping Vertical shafts and horizontalchases shall be constructed of materials having a fire resistance rating of not less than 2 hoursCOMMENTARY 6-42 The intent of this requirement is to preserve the isolation of the service stationoperation from the rest of the building I donrsquot have the 2000 handbook for commentary Thanks Bob Edward J PeznowskiFire amp Life Safety SpecialistBureau of EngineeringOffice State Fire Marshal860-685-8350

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From Benedetti BobTo Hamilton James P (HOY)Cc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiSubject Inquiry NFPA 30A-2008Date Monday September 14 2009 115041 AM

Good morning Mr Hamilton The intent of this particular provision of Subsection 672 of NFPA 30A Code for Motor Fuel DispensingFacilities and Repair Garages is to ensure that the patron has access to a second disconnect if he or shecannot reach the primary disconnect ie the one that is between 20 and 100 feet from the dispenser In my opinion all of the emergency disconnects required by Section 67 must be at least 20 ft but normore than 100 ft from the nearest dispenser Please understand that this response to your inquiry is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 of NFPArsquos RegulationsGoverning Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitively determine compliance with anylaws ordinances rules or regulations To determine the adequacy or safety of any device or installationyou should consult with an appropriate professional To determine legal compliance you should refer tothe appropriate authority having jurisdiction or seek legal advice I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will be happy toassist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarily represent the official positionof the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it berelied upon to provide professional consultation or services cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

Fire Prevention Week is October 4 ndash 10 2009 Visit wwwfirepreventionweekorg or call 800-344-3555 for moreinformation NFPA Seminars - Apply the codes with confidenceRegister at wwwnfpalearnorg NFPA Membership keeps you up-to-dateVisit wwwnfpaorgjoin for more information Or call 800-344-3555Notice The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for theexclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential andor privileged information If you are not the intendedrecipient please notify Robert Benedetti immediately by replying to the message or by calling (617) 984-7433 Please deletethis message and any attachments from your system Thank you

From Hamilton James P (HOY) [mailtoHAMILTONJPbechteljacobsorg] Sent Thursday September 10 2009 1224 PMTo Benedetti BobSubject NFPA 30A 2008 Edition

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Importance High

NFPA 30A 672 states at least one additional device or disconnect shall be readily accessible toeach group of dispensing devices on an individual island Our installation does not have islands Should the second emergency shutoff be installed close to the pumps or between 20 and 100 ofthe pumps

Please respond back via email hamiltonjpbechteljacobsorg

Thanks

NFPA 127130 James P Hamilton CFPSTetraTek Inc - Fire Safety TechnologiesFire Protection LeadK-27 Pre-Demo Project 790 Emory Valley Rd 811 Oak Ridge TN 37830 ETTP Office 865-241-1902

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From Benedetti BobTo Scott DavonskiCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Tuesday August 04 2009 92429 AM

Good morning Mr Davonski My opinion is that the intent of the requirement in Subsection 1141 of NFPA 30A Code for Motor FuelDispensing Facilities and Repair Garages is that any hose longer than 18 feet should not simply bestrung along the dockrsquos surface Using a reel would be one means of securing the hose although Irsquomsure other methods such as hangers would work as well Please understand that this response to your inquiry is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 of NFPArsquos RegulationsGoverning Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitively determine compliance with anylaws ordinances rules or regulations To determine the adequacy or safety of any device or installationyou should consult with an appropriate professional To determine legal compliance you should refer tothe appropriate authority having jurisdiction or seek legal advice I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will be happy toassist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarily represent the official positionof the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it berelied upon to provide professional consultation or services cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

Fire Prevention Week is October 4 ndash 10 2009 Visit wwwfirepreventionweekorg or call 800-344-3555 for moreinformation NFPA Seminars - Apply the codes with confidenceRegister at wwwnfpalearnorg NFPA Membership keeps you up-to-dateVisit wwwnfpaorgjoin for more information Or call 800-344-3555Notice The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for theexclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential andor privileged information If you are not the intendedrecipient please notify Robert Benedetti immediately by replying to the message or by calling (617) 984-7433 Please deletethis message and any attachments from your system Thank you

From Scott Davonski [mailtodavonskiRiverheadlicom] Sent Wednesday July 22 2009 1118 AMTo Benedetti BobSubject 30A clarification

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1141 All hose shall be listed Where hose length exceeds 55 m (18 ft) the hose shall besecured so as to protect it from damage Can you provide clarification as to what is meant by ldquosecured so as to protect it fromdamagerdquo Is the standard looking not to have the hoses on the dock In a reel Any clarificationinformation would be appreciated Scott W DavonskiChief Fire MarshalTown of RiverheadP- 631-727-3200 ext 209F- 631-727-3370

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Page 9: TECHNICAL COMMITTEE ON AUTOMOTIVE and MARINE … · SUBJECT: Agenda for ROC Meeting – October 4, 2010 _____ Ladies and Gentlemen: Attached is the Agenda for the NFPA 30A Report

MASTER SCHEDULE2011 Annual Cycledoc

2011 ANNUAL REVISION CYCLE

PROCESS STAGE PROCESS STEP

DATES FOR TC

DATES FOR TCC

COMPLETION

DATE

VERIFY MATERIAL

IN FILE 1 PRELIMINARY 10 Notification of intent to enter cycle 71009 71009

2 REPORT ON PROPOSALS

(ROP)

21 Proposal closing date 112409 112409

22 Final date for ROP meeting 22610 2510 23 Final date for mailing TC ballots 31910 21910 24 Receipt of (TC) ballots by staff liaison 42310 31210 25 Receipt of TC recirculation ballots 5710 31910 26 Final date for TCC meeting 41610 27 Final date for mailing TCC ballots 42310 28 Receipt of TCC ballots 51410 29 Receipt of TCC recirculation ballots 52110 210 Final copy (w ballot statements) to Secretary Standards Council

51410 52810

211 Completion of Reports 52110 6410 212 ROP Published and Posted 62510 62510

3 REPORT ON

COMMENTS (ROC)

31 Comment closing date 9310 9310 32 Final date for ROC meeting 11510 10810 33 Final date for mailing TC ballots 111910 102210 34 Receipt of (TC) ballots by staff liaison 12310 111210 35 Receipt of TC recirculation ballots 121010 111910 36 Final date for TCC meeting 121710 37 Final date for mailing TCC ballots 122210 38 Receipt of TCC ballots 11411 39 Receipt of TCC recirculation ballots 12111 310 Final copy (w ballot statements) to Secretary Standards Council

122210 12811

311 Completion of Reports 11411 2411 312 ROC Published and Posted 22511 22511

TECH SESSION PREPARATION amp ISSUANCE OF

CONSENT DOCUMENTS

41 Notice of Intent to Make a Motion (NITMAM) Closing Date

4811 4811

42 Posting of Filed NITMAM 5611 5611 43 Council Issuance Date for Consent Documents 53111 53111 44 Appeal Closing Date for Consent Documents 61511 61511

TECHNICAL SESSION

50 Association Meeting for Documents with Certified Amending Motions

612-1611 612-1611

APPEALS amp ISSUANCE OF DOCUMENTS

WCAMS

61 Appeal closing date for Documents with Certified Amending Motions

7611 7611

62 Council issuance for Documents with Certified Amending Motions

8411 8411

Proposal Closing Dates may vary according to documents and schedules for Revision Cycles may change Please check the NFPA website (wwwnfpaorg) for the most up-to-date information on proposal closing dates and schedules

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TIA 9852010-06-15 ndash IFMA Counterproposaldoc

Proposed TIA to NFPA 30A-2008 1 Add a new definition of ldquoalcohol blended motor fuelrdquo to read as follows

ldquo33X Alcohol Blended Motor Fuel Motor fuel consisting of a blend of alcohol such as ethanol and gasoline with an alcohol concentration greater than 10 percent by volume including those with nominally 85 percent ethanol 15 percent unleaded gasoline (E85)rdquo

2 Revise 632 to read

ldquo632 Dispensing devices for Class I and II liquids shall be listed for the specific fuels being dispensed A632 See UL 87 Standard for Power-Operated Dispensing Devices for Petroleum Products or UL SU87A Outline for Power-Operated Dispensing Devices for Gasoline and GasolineEthanol Blends with Nominal Concentrations up to 85 Percent 6321 Existing listed or labeled dispensing devices shall be permitted to be modified provided that the modifications made are ldquoListed by Reportrdquo by an approved testing laboratory or as otherwise approved by the authority having jurisdiction Modification proposals shall contain a description of the component parts used in the modification and the recommended methods of installation on specific dispensing devices Modification proposals shall be made available to the authority having jurisdiction upon request 6322 Existing dispensing devices shall be listed for the specific fuel or fuels being dispensed 63221 Where existing dispensing devices are not listed for a specific fuel or fuels see Section 15 Equivalency A6322 1 The authority having jurisdiction by virtue of Section 15 may approve the use of existing equipment for fuels for which no listing is available Where the authority having jurisdiction approves the use of an existing dispensing device or existing related dispensing equipment for use with alcohol blended motor fuels the approval of the dispensing device and related dispensing equipment may be based on the following (1) The dispensing device and related dispensing equipment should be listed for dispensing of gasoline motor fuel and (2) The dispensing device and related dispensing equipment should be inspected by a person who is knowledgeable in the operation of the equipment to verify that it is in proper working order and is not leaking as described in (a) and (b) (a) A visual inspection of the fuel dispenser and its associated hanging hardware should be conducted ldquoHanging hardwarerdquo includes the following components that might be present hose nozzle valve hose breakaway valve and hose swivel Inspections should be conducted at least weekly and should be documented Documentation should be available for review by the authority having jurisdiction upon request (b) An inspection of the fuel-dispensing equipment that is located inside the dispenser cabinet should be conducted The interior of the dispenser cabinet should

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TIA 9852010-06-15 ndash IFMA Counterproposaldoc

be inspected for signs of leaks damage corrosion or weathering with particular attention to the sump area and joints and castings of fuel handling components The inspection should be conducted at least monthly and should be documented Documentation should be available for review by the authority having jurisdiction upon request (c) If a leak is discovered use of the affected dispensing device should be discontinued until repairs can be made The authority having jurisdiction is provided with the ability to approve for use with mid-level alcohol blended motor fuels (eg E15 15 percent ethanol 85 percent unleaded gasoline) dispensing devices and related dispensing equipment currently listed for use with E10 (10 percent ethanol 90 percent unleaded gasoline) Approval of the dispensing device or related dispensing equipment for use with alcohol blended motor fuel requires that the dispensing device and related dispensing equipment be listed for use with E10 and that periodic inspection be conducted to verify that the equipment is functioning properly Useful forms for documenting inspections can be found in PEIRP500-05 Recommended Practices for Inspection and Maintenance of Motor Fuel Dispensing Equipment and are also available at wwwpeiorgrp500 In addition the authority having jurisdiction may take into account other factors including actual field experience evidence of compatibility (eg manufacturerrsquos declaration) and functionality by government agencies trade associations and testing laboratories Underwriters Laboratories Inc has listed dispensing devices and related dispensing equipment for alcohol blended motor fuels up to E10 and more recently has begun listing dispensing devices for alcohol blended motor fuels up to E25 (25 percent ethanol 75 percent unleaded gasoline) However the majority of existing dispensing devices and related dispensing equipment currently in service at motor fuel dispensing facilities are not listed for use with alcohol blended motor fuels with more than 10 percent ethanol While higher alcohol blended motor fuels (eg E85 85 percent ethanol 15 percent unleaded gasoline) are typically sold as an alternative to E10 the mid-level alcohol blended motor fuels such as E15 if approved by the U S Environmental Protection Agency might likely become a replacement for current motor fuels either through state or federal mandates or because of supply chain restrictions In order to maintain the supply of motor fuel this might require the sale of mid-level blends through the existing dispensing devices and related dispensing equipmentrdquo

3 Revise 651 to read

ldquo651 Listed hose assemblies shall be used to dispense fuels shall be listed for the specific fuels being dispensed Hose length at automotive motor fuel dispensing facilities shall not exceed 55 m (18 ft) Where hose length at marine motor fuel dispensing facilities exceeds 55 m (18 ft) the hose shall be secured so as to protect it from damage (See A63221)rdquo

4 Revise 661 to read

ldquo661 An automatic-closing-type hose nozzle valve listed in accordance with UL 842 Standard for Valves for Flammable Fluids and listed for the specific fuels being dispensed with or without latch-open device shall be provided on island-type dispensing devices used to dispense Class I or Class II liquids (See A63221)rdquo

5 Revise 681 and 682 to read

TIA 9852010-06-15 ndash IFMA Counterproposaldoc

ldquo681 Dispensing devices that incorporate vapor recovery shall be listed for the specific fuels being dispensed (See A63221) 682 Hose nozzle valves used on vapor recovery systems shall be listed for the purpose and for the specific fuels being dispensed (See A63221)rdquo

6 Add a new entry to Table B1 Typical Flammable and Combustible Liquids Found at Motor Fuel Dispensing Facilities to read as follows

ldquoAlcohol Blended Motor Fuel -40 degF ndash 55 degF Class IB varies nardquo A6321 proposed 6231 and its annex all becomes annex material gtgtgt New lead-in Where modifications are made 2 Add a new Subsection 623 and an accompanying annex text to read as follows A6322 Where dispensing devices and related dispensing equipment including dispensers hoses nozzles breakaway fittings swivels flexible connectors dispenser emergency shutoff valves and vapor recovery systems and pumps are propose for use for alcohol blended motor fuels they should be listed Where there is currently no listing see 15 for equivalencies Section 15 permits the authority having jurisdiction to approve non-listed components for the specific for the specific fuel being dispensed Where the authority having jurisdiction approves the use of a dispensing device or related dispensing equipment for use with alcohol blended motor fuels the approval of the dispensing device and related dispensing equipment could include the following (1) The dispensing device and related dispensing equipment shall be listed for dispensing of gasoline motor fuel and (2) The dispensing device and related dispensing equipment shall be periodically inspected by a person who is knowledgeable in the operation of the equipment to verify that it is in proper working order and is not leaking as described in (a) and (b) (a) A visual inspection of the fuel dispenser and its associated hanging hardware shall be conducted ldquoHanging hardwarerdquo shall include the following components that might be present hose nozzle valve hose breakaway valve and hose swivel Inspections shall be conducted at least weekly and shall be documented Documentation shall be available for review by the authority having jurisdiction upon request (b) An inspection of the fuel-dispensing equipment that is located inside the dispenser cabinet shall be conducted The interior of the dispenser cabinet shall be inspected for signs of leaks damage corrosion or weathering with particular attention to the sump area and joints and castings of fuel handling components The inspection shall be conducted at least monthly and shall be documented Documentation shall be available for review by the authority having jurisdiction upon request NEEDS TO TELL WHAT TO DO BEYOND MERE DOCUMENTATION ALSO NEED TO REPLACE ldquoPERIODICrdquo WITH FIRM TIME A623 See UL SU87A Outline for Power-Operated Dispensing Devices for Gasoline and GasolineEthanol Blends with Nominal Concentrations up to 85 Percent

TIA 9852010-06-15 ndash IFMA Counterproposaldoc

A6231 The authority having jurisdiction is provided with the ability to approve for use with mid-level alcohol blended motor fuels (eg E15 15 percent ethanol 85 percent unleaded gasoline) dispensing devices and related dispensing equipment currently listed for use with E10 (10 percent ethanol 90 percent unleaded gasoline) Approval of the dispensing device or related dispensing equipment for use with alcohol blended motor fuel requires that the dispensing device and related dispensing equipment be listed for use with E10 and that periodic inspection be conducted to verify that the equipment is functioning properly Useful forms for documenting inspections can be found in PEIRP500-05 Recommended Practices for Inspection and Maintenance of Motor Fuel Dispensing Equipment and are also available at wwwpeiorgrp500 In addition the authority having jurisdiction may take into account other factors including actual field experience evidence of compatibility (eg manufacturerrsquos declaration) and functionality by government agencies trade associations and testing laboratories Underwriters Laboratories Inc has listed dispensing devices and related dispensing equipment for alcohol blended motor fuels up to E10 and more recently has begun listing dispensing devices for alcohol blended motor fuels up to E25 (25 percent ethanol 75 percent unleaded gasoline) However the majority of existing dispensing devices and related dispensing equipment currently in service at motor fuel dispensing facilities are not listed for use with alcohol blended motor fuels with more than 10 percent ethanol While higher alcohol blended motor fuels (eg E85 85 percent ethanol 15 percent unleaded gasoline) are typically sold as an alternative to E10 the mid-level alcohol blended motor fuels such as E15 if approved by the U S Environmental Protection Agency might likely become a replacement for current motor fuels either through state or federal mandates or because of supply chain restrictions In order to maintain the supply of motor fuel this might require the sale of mid-level blends through the existing dispensing devices and related dispensing equipmentrdquo

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Report on Comments ndash June 2011 NFPA 30A_______________________________________________________________________________________________30A- Log 6

_______________________________________________________________________________________________John F Bender Underwriters Laboratories Inc

30A-6Revise text as follows

Underwriters Laboratories Inc 333 Pfingsten Road Northbrook IL 60062-2096UL 87 Standard for Power-Operated Dispensing Devices for Petroleum Products 2001 Revised 2008ANSIUL 842 Standard for Valves for Flammable Fluids 2007 Revised 2010UL 2080 Standard for Fire Resistant Tanks for Flammable and Combustible Liquids 2000ANSIUL 2085 Standard for Protected Aboveground Tanks for Flammable and Combustible Liquids 1997 Revised

1999UL 2245 Standard for Below-Grade Vaults for Flammable Liquid Storage Tanks 2006

Updated referenced standards to most recent revisions Add ANSI approval designation to ANSIUL842 and ANSIUL 2085

1Printed on 9132010

Report on Comments ndash June 2011 NFPA 30A_______________________________________________________________________________________________30A- Log 4

_______________________________________________________________________________________________Marshall A Klein Marshall A Klein amp Associates Inc

30A-7Revise text to read as follows

331 Basement Basement For the purposes of this code a story of a building or structure having one-half or more ofits height below ground level and to which access for fire-fighting purposes is restricted [302008] Any story of a buildingwholly or partly below grade plane that is not considered the first story above grade plane (Also see 33X ldquoFirst StoryAbove Grade Planerdquo 33Y ldquoGrade Planerdquo and 33Z ldquoStoryrdquo) [5000 2009]33X First Story Above Grade Plane Any story having its finished floor surface entirely above grade plane except

that a basement shall be considered as a first story above grade plane where the finished surface of the floor above thebasement is (1) more than 6 ft (1830 mm) above grade plane or (2) more than 12 ft (3660 mm) above the finished levelat any point (See also 33Z ldquoStoryrdquo) [5000 2009]33Z Story The portion of a building located between the upper surface of a floor and the upper surface of the floor or

roof next above [5000 2009]33Y Grade Plane A reference plane representing the average of the finished ground level adjoining the building at all

exterior walls When the finished ground level slopes down from the exterior walls the grade plane is established by thelowest points within the area between the building and the lot line or when the lot line is more than 6 ft (1830 mm) fromthe building between the building and a point 6 ft (1830 mm) from the building (See also 33W ldquoFinished Ground Level(Graderdquo) [5000 2009]33W Finished Ground Level (Grade) The level of the finished ground (earth or other surface on ground) (See also33Y ldquoGrade Planerdquo) [5000 2009]

The Committeersquos substantiation for this Committee Proposal was ldquoThis definition is the preferreddefinition from the NFPA Glossary of Terms Changing the secondary definition to the preferred definition complies withthe Glossary of Terms Projectrdquo Also the Committeersquos statement said in part ldquohellipThe key issue relative to NFPA 30A issafe access to and evacuation from the basement area by emergency responders during an emergencyrdquo

Since the first edition of the NFPA 5000 Building Code the NFPA 30A Committee has attempted to be in correlationwith NFPA 5000 and the other Model Building Code in the the United States IBC The dispensing facilities and repairgarage buildings constructed under the NFPA 30A are also required to comply with the local building code which will beeither NFPA 5000 or IBC The proposed definition for ldquobasementrdquo that is taken from NFPA 30 is more suited for thelarger flammable and combustible types of facilities built under NFPA 30 not the service centersrepair garages builtunder NFPA 30A and the building codes

NFPA 30A should stay with its present position to correlate with the definition for a ldquobasementrdquo with NFPA 5000ldquoBuilding Construction and safety Coderdquo and not replace this definition with the one that is in NFPA 30 ldquoFlammable andCombustible Liquids Coderdquo

The term ldquobasementrdquo is only used in the NFPA 30A Code in Section 423 that deals with ignitable vapors in abasement or pit and Section 746 that applies when sprinklers are required to be installed in the basement of a majorrepair garage The two NFPA 30A sections on basements relate more to the application of the requirements in NFPA5000 and IBC than to the requirements in NFPA 30 ldquoFlammable and Combustible Liquids Coderdquo As I have notedabove during the development of the NFPA 5000 Building Code the NFPA 30A Committee was very careful tocorrelate its requirements with NFPA 5000 NFPA 101 amp IBC so that there would be minimum conflicts in theapplication of the requirements of NFPA 30A with these other Codes that greatly impact the design and construction ofMotor Fuel Dispensing Facilities and Repair Garages The definition of ldquobasementrdquo is critically important forbuilding design and should be correlated with the building codes used throughout the US and we should not use adifferent definition for basement that would cause confusion and cost in the design and application of the NFPA 30Arequirements where NFPA 5000 NFPA 101 or IBC Codes are also adopted

I have also included the addition of the definitions of ldquoFirst Story Above Grade Planerdquo ldquoStoryrdquo ldquoGrade Planerdquo andldquoFinished Ground Level (Grade)rdquo from NFPA 5000 to provide complete correlation on these building definitions withNFPA 5000 and the IBC For individuals using NFPA 30A that are only used to working with NFPA 30 these definitions

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Report on Comments ndash June 2011 NFPA 30Amay seem like overkill but to the great majority of code officials designers and owners of these types of dispensingfacilities and repair garages correlation of these terms with NFPA 5000 and IBC are critical to prevent major conflictsdelays and cost increases in interpretations and applications of code requirements between the building departmentsand fire departments

In summation based on the two sections in NFPA 30A that cover a ldquobasementrdquo requirement it serves the public interestbetter to use the ldquobasementrdquo definition and its related building definitions from NFPA 5000 to properly correlate with themodel buildings codes not NFPA 30

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Report on Comments ndash June 2011 NFPA 30A_______________________________________________________________________________________________30A- Log 1

_______________________________________________________________________________________________Alex Ralston Petcon Inc

NARevise text to read as follows

Means shall be provided to sound an audible alarm when the liquid level in the tank reaches 90 percent of capacityMeans shall also be provided either to automatically stop the flow of liquid into the tank when the liquid level reaches 98percent capacity or to restrict the flow of liquid into the tank to a maximum flow rate of 95L min (25 gpm) when theliquid level in the tank reaches 95 percent capacityThe federal underground storage tank rules state that means shall be provided to stop the flow of liquid into the tank

when the liquid reaches 95 percent capacity or restrict the flow into the tank when the liquid level reaches 90 percentcapacity

None given

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Report on Comments ndash June 2011 NFPA 30A_______________________________________________________________________________________________30A- Log 2

_______________________________________________________________________________________________Alex Ralston Petcon Inc

NARevise text to read as follows

On remote pressure pumping systems each pump shall have installed on the discharge side a listed leak detectiondevice that will provide an audible or visible indication if the piping and dispensing devices are not liquid tight Replace with device that will either restrict the flow of product to the dispenser or shut-off the flow of product to

indicate if the piping and dispensing devices are liquid tightThe explanation attempts to explain the federal underground storage tank regulations however the

regulation that provides for an audible or visible alarm relates to overfill prevention in federal regulations not leakdetectionThe regulations on leak detection for pressurized piping in the explanation are correct but if youll note nowhere in the

explanation is audible or visual alarms mentioned

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Report on Comments ndash June 2011 NFPA 30A_______________________________________________________________________________________________30A- Log 8

_______________________________________________________________________________________________Robert Bourke Northeastern Regional Fire Code Development Committee

30A-42Revise to read 623 Fuel-dispensing systems including dispensers hoses nozzleshelliphelliphellip

blended motor fuels shall be listed or approved for the specific purposeThis requirement should only be stating that the equipment is listed for the specific purpose

ldquoApprovedrdquo by definition means ldquoacceptable to the AHJrdquoToo often a Standard may misuse the word ldquoapprovedrdquo in order to not exclude other listing organizations that publish

its list in a document that they refer to as an ldquoApproval Guiderdquo Regardless the document is still a listing

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Report on Comments ndash June 2011 NFPA 30A_______________________________________________________________________________________________30A- Log 3

_______________________________________________________________________________________________David B Wechsler The Dow Chemical Company

30A-34Revise and add new sentences shown under 831 and A831 and modify Table 831 as

indicated831 Table 831 shall be used to delineate and classify areas for the purposes of installing electrical wiring and

electrical utilization equipment (See also Figure 831) WARNING The US National Electrical Code has differentequipment and installation requirements from other International Standards Therefore for example equipment used inEurope may not be acceptable for installation in the USA831 The designation and decision installation and use of electrical equipment for Classes and Divisions in

hazardous (classified) locations are defined Article 500 501 and 504 of NFPA 70 National Electrical Code Thedesignation and design installation and use of electrical equipment for Classes and Zones in hazardous (classified)locations are defined in Article 505 and 504 of NFPA 70 National Electrical Code The designation and designinstallation and use of electrical equipment in lsquoZonesrsquo Zone 0 Zone 1 and Zone 2 are addressed in other internationalstandardsWithin Table 831 add a new column titled ldquoZones and copy the information from the Class I Zone column into this

new columnAlternatively to all of the above remove the ldquoZonesrdquo column completely from Table 831

While the stated intent of this proposal is understood as being to try and deal with the internationalnature of applying NFPA 30A there are problems with the approach presented by a simple extraction from the NECFirst as presented the new column only addresses the US Zone methodology The US Zone methodology for

flammable vapor gases liquids and combustible vapors and liquids is identified by the terms lsquoClass I Zone 0rsquo lsquoClass IZone 1rsquo and lsquoClass I Zone 2rsquo However under the IEC or ATEX (aka Europe International) the terms are simply lsquoZone0rsquo lsquoZone 1rsquo or lsquoZone 2rsquo Therefore the table revision is not correct for international useSecond this TIA and proposal was to lsquoincorporate the (European) Zone System of designating hazardous (classified)

locations and the allowable wiring methods and electrical utilization devices that can be used in themrsquo However the USNEC is not an international code Thus while the US NEC Article 505 does permit the use of the Class I Zonemethodology adding this column in NFPA 30A does not address the more complex nature of the design and installationproblems associated with Zone certified equipment in the US The NEC under Article 5059 Equipment provides for theuse of only AEx equipment as may be seen for example under paragraph ldquo(2) Zone Equipment Equipment meeting oneor more of the protection techniques described in 5058 shall be marked with all of the following in the order shown(1) Class(2) Zone(3) Symbol ldquoAExrdquo(4) Protection technique(s) in accordance with Table 5059(C)(2)(4)(5) Applicable gas classification group(s) in accordance with Table 9(C)(1)(2)Without adding additional text usersinspectors etc may think using Zones is just like using the Division methodology

This is not true and equipment not otherwise permitted under the US NEC may be installed because of the impliedactions currently reflected in this proposal This is a significant issue

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Report on Comments ndash June 2011 NFPA 30A_______________________________________________________________________________________________30A- Log 9

_______________________________________________________________________________________________Donald R Offerdahl North Dakota State Electrical Board

30A-36Insert figure for 831(B)

Insert Artwork Figure 831(A) and 831(B) Here

Proposal 30A-36 should have been accepted in principal these types of storage tanks and dispensersare widely used in farms construction sites and business fleet operations

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Report on Comments ndash June 2011 NFPA 30A_______________________________________________________________________________________________30A- Log 5

_______________________________________________________________________________________________Mindy Wang Ampco Safety Tools

30A-39Not proposing new text Please see comment in Substantiation

Although procedures for cleanup of spills is not within the scope of NFPA 30A we feel compelled toaddress API 2214 referenced by the Committee Information presented below shows API 2214 is misleading andundermines safe work practices In fact API 2214 conflicts with OSHA regulations Accredited Standards Developerrsquosstandards and safe work practices FM Approvals LLC formerly Factory Mutual Research Corporation (FM) is an international organization recognized

by the US government as a Nationally Recognized Testing Laboratory (NRTL) for scientific research and productcertification Product approval from a NRTL assures that products meet consensus-based standards of safety to providethe assurance required by OSHA that these products are safe for use in the United States workplace FM ApprovalStandard 7910 Spark Resistant Tools is used as guidance to evaluate tools intended for use in environments wherethere is a risk of ignition of flammable materials dusts or vapors resulting from sparks created by iron and steel handtools These tools prevent the ignition of flammable materials dusts or vapors by mechanical sparks created by the useof iron and steel hand tools slipping or striking a surface American Petroleum Institute (API) Publication 2214contradicts NRTL research and product certification as evidence in FM Approvals granted for spark resistance toolsFM has conducted tests of Ampco Safety Tools as covered in Report Job Identification No IN4A0AF in accordancewith the requirements of Safety Tools Approval Test Procedure Class 7910 and test results show

Sparks created from steel plates ignited carbon disulfide saturated pads eight of eight tests ethyl ether pads fiveof eight tests and naphtha VMampP four of eight tests

No sparks were observed and no ignition of the flammable liquids mentioned above from approved Ampco SafetyTools Other investigations also contradict APIrsquos conclusion on non-sparking tools A paper published in the Fire Protection

Journal ldquoThe Danger of Incendive Sparksrdquo stated that after APIrsquos conclusion on ldquonon-sparkingrdquo tools Institute ofPetroleum sought the advice of the Fire Research Board Committee on Industrial Fires and Explosion This committeecame to certain conclusions one of which was ldquoUntilhellipevidence is obtained to show that the impact of steel hand toolson steel is safe it is advisable to use non-sparking tools in situations where flammable atmospheres are unavoidablerdquo The NFPA Fire Protection Handbook 20th edition published in January 2008 does not support the conclusion that

API 2214 represents In fact many NFPA codes the use of ldquonon-sparkingrdquo tools in flammable atmospheresAccording to NFPA Fire Protection Handbook ldquoWhen flammable and combustible liquids are stored or handled theliquid is usually exposed to the air at some stage in the operation except where the storage is confined to sealedcontainers that are not filled or opened on the premises or where handling is in closed systems and vapor losses arerecovered Even when the storage or handling is in a closed system there is always the possibility of breaks or leakswhich permit the liquid to escape It is a to eliminate sources of ignition in places where low flashpointflammable liquids are stored handled or used even though no vapor may ordinarily be presentrdquo NFPA 921 Guide for Fire and Explosion Investigations 2008 Edition Chapter 5 Basic Fire Science Table 5711

Reported Burning and Sparking Temperature of Selected Ignition Sources under Mechanical Sparks lists a Steel tooltemperature at 2550degF When working with flammable gases liquids or vapors a potential hazard arises because of thepossibility that sparks produced by steel or iron tools can become an ignition source OSHA Flammable and Combustible Liquids regulation 29 CFR Parts 1910106(b) on tank storage paragraph

1910106(b)(6) states that precaution shall be taken to eliminate or control sources of ignitions including frictional heatand mechanical sparks to prevent the ignition of flammable vapors In OSHA regulation 29 CFR 1910146 Permit-Required Confined Spaces Appendix D Confined Space Pre-Entry

Check List non-sparking tool is listed as one type of entry equipment OSHA 29 CFR 1910146 StandardInterpretations Interpretative guidance and equipment approved for hazardous locations relative to the Permit-RequiredConfined Spaces states that ldquohellipthe standard does not prohibit entry into a permit space where a hazardous flammableatmosphere is at or above the 10 LFL For concentrations at or above 10 LFL paragraph (d) would theemployer to incorporate safe work procedures to address the flammableexplosive hazard (such as equipment approvedfor hazardous locations) in the entry plan for those spaces Electrical equipment as well as other sources of ignition(non-sparking hand tools) be considered and addressed for the hazardous atmosphererdquo OSHA regulation 29 CFR Parts 1910120 Hazardous waste operations and emergency response paragraph

1910120(j)(2)(v) requires that ldquoWhen there is a reasonable possibility of flammable atmospheres being present

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Report on Comments ndash June 2011 NFPA 30Amaterial handling equipment and hand tools shall be of the type to prevent sources of ignition EPA has identifiedsolvents such as xylene acetone ethyl acetate ethyl benzene and ethyl ether commonly used in all industries (theF-list) and discarded commercial chemical products such as acetone benzene ethyl ether and xylene (the P-list andU-list) as ignitable hazardous wastes API members such as ExxonMobil and Chevron as well as others in the petroleum industry such as Valero CITGO

Petroleum Corporation Chem-Supply Pty Ltd Irving Oil Ltd Petrol Star Inc Nova Chemicals and El Paso Corporationregularly the use of ldquonon-sparkingrdquo tools under Accidental Release Measures and Handling and Storage sectionsin the MSDSrsquos for their petroleum products These companies clearly recognize the need for ldquonon-sparkingrdquo tools inworking with and around flammable materials API 2214 Section 12 Background ldquohellipthese engineers pointed out that although numerous opportunities existed for

the production of sparks from violent contact of steel objects with other steel objects there was a negligible record offires resulting from such a causerdquo On the contrary there are a number of documented incidents involving flammablevapors ignited by steel sparks from tools A few examples are as follows

OSHA inspection 300965795 an employee in the process of cleaning loose material from drill piping with ametal hammer While striking the pipe with a hammer an explosion occurred Employee was killed in the explosion onsite

OSHA inspection 2272953 two employees were assigned the job of tending a 100 gallon (water jacket) reactorkettle of methyl methacrylate in the mixing room Employee 1 used a metal wrench (visegrips) to pry open the cover ofa kettle The wrench handle struck the angle iron support for the agitator motor producing a spark Employee 2noticed the spark which was immediately followed by a massive ldquofire ballrdquo Both employees were engulfed in thefireball Employee 3 came to the area to assist the other employees The investigation states that non-sparking toolswere not provided for the employees All three employees received first and second degree burns on their face armsand abdomen Employee 2 also received some third degree burns All three employees were hospitalized

OSHA inspection 124728437 Employee 1 and a coworker both maintenance mechanics were working in a 30inch by 36 inch manhole at a gas station Employee 1 was trying to change a fuel pump while the coworker watchedfrom outside the manhole Employee 1 was using an Allen wrench to loosen the bolts on the fuel pump lead when hecreated a spark that ignited the gas fumes in the manhole causing an explosion Employee 1 suffered burns to hisface hands arms and legs in the explosion and was hospitalized

OSHA inspection 111109237 Employee 1 or 3 attempted to cut a metal pipe with a metal saw whileEmployee 2 was standing on top of one of two 5000 gallon gas tanks trying to remove a tank fitting Sparks from thesaw the pipe wrench or another unknown source ignited the gas vapors which exploded Employees 1 and 3 werekilled of burns at the scene Employee 2 died at the burn center as a result of burns sustained in the explosion

OSHA inspection 102826625 Employee 1 worked for a company that cleans paints and replaces valves in LPand MAPP gas cylinders Before removing an old valve Employee 1 would open the valve to let the residual gas leakout on the loading dock Where there was a large quantity of cylinders Employee 1 would invert the cylinder so theresidual gas could vent faster Employee 1 had an accumulation of a gas and air mixture around his work area Thevapors were ignited either by a spark from the metal screwdriver he was using to open a damaged valve or by an openflame burner approximately 40 feet away There was a fire and explosion The employee sustained 2nd and 3rd degreeburns on the lower half of his body and was hospitalized

OSHA inspection 607366 an employee was sawing an airplane wing into sections with a portable powered handsaw the saw created a spark that caused an explosion of gasoline vapors in the wing fuel tank Employee 1 killed andEmployee 2 injured in explosion and was hospitalized

OSHA inspection 309178523 employer was cited for violating Section 5(a)(1) of the Occupational Safety andHealth Act of 1970 often referred to as the General Duty Clause which requires employers to furnish to each of hisemployees employment and a place of employment which are free from recognized hazards that are causing or arelikely to cause death or serious physical harm to his employees for exposing employee to an explosion hazard byopening the hydrogen tube trailer main valve without using non-sparking tools

OSHA inspection 304994304 employer was cited for violating Section 5(a)(1) of the Occupational Safety andHealth Act of 1970 violation for exposing employee to a fireexplosion hazard while performing maintenance operationson LP gas tanks with ferrous tools One feasible and acceptable abatement method to correct this hazard is toimplement the use of non- sparking toolsThe Report of the BP US Refineries independent Safety Review Panel also known as the Baker Panel Report states

that ldquoPreventing process accidents requires vigilance The passing of time without a process accident is not necessarilyan indicator that all is well and may contribute to a dangerous and growing sense of complacencyrdquo This sample ofOSHA documented events illustrates accidents do happen when proper safety measures are not taken againstmechanical sparks from steel tools as a possible ignition sourceHaving said that we appreciate the Committeersquos time and agree with the Committee that procedures for cleanup of

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Report on Comments ndash June 2011 NFPA 30Aspills is not within the scope of NFPA 30A

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Report on Comments ndash June 2011 NFPA 30A_______________________________________________________________________________________________30A- Log 7

_______________________________________________________________________________________________Robert Bourke Northeastern Regional Fire Code Development Committee

30A-19Add a new section to read 11721 Where approved by the Authority Having Jurisdiction piers

that extend more than 152 m (500 ft) in travel distance from shore shall be permitted to provide a Class I standpipe thatis installed in accordance with NFPA 14 Standard for the Installation of Standpipe and Hose Systems

The TC missed the point in the substantiation of the proposalIt was not the intent of the proposal to obtain additional flexibility of FD use over that which is provided by a Class III

standpipe system The intent of the proposal was to provide relief from the requirement where the local AHJ feels thatthe effectiveness and likelihood of occupant use of fire hoses does not justify the added risk to the occupant or theinstallation and maintenance costs associated with the requisite hose for a Class III system A Class I system would stillprovide FD fire fighting capabilities in jurisdictions where the AHJ prefers occupants to evacuate and not attempt to fightfires beyond portable fire extinguisher capability

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From Benedetti BobTo bcotnerswriorgCc Harrington Greg Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiBcc May PaulSubject Inquiry NFPA 30 amp NFPA 30ADate Thursday July 08 2010 121900 PM

Good Morning Mr Cotner Greg Harrington asked that I respond to your question about the proper use ofintermediate bulk containers Actually an intermediate bulk container is a shipping vessel that must meetrequirements and specifications of the U S Department of Transportation for shippingmaterials from Point A to Point B It is not intended to be a storage vessel althoughthe liquid contained is obviously dispensed from the vessel for use Dispensing of motor fuels is covered by NFPA 30A Code for Motor Fuel DispensingFacilities and Repair Garages NFPA 30A states in Subsection 421 421 Liquids shall be stored in the following(1) Approved closed containers that do not exceed 227 L (60 gal) capacity and arelocated outside buildings(2) Tanks or approved closed containers located inside motor fuel dispensingfacilities or repair garages(3) Aboveground tanks underground tanks and containers in accordance with therequirements of Section 43(4) Tanks supplying marine service stations in accordance with Section 112 Section 43 states the following 432 Aboveground Storage Tanks Except as modified by the provisions of thissubsection aboveground storage tanks shall meet all applicable requirements ofChapters 21 through 23 and 27 of NFPA 30 Flammable and Combustible Liquids Code So in accordance with NFPA 30A Subsection 421(3) indicates that abovegroundstorage of motor fuel must be in a tank that meets the provisions of Section 43 Thelatter in turn references the Chapters in NFPA 30 that deal with fixed storage tanks Nowhere in these chapters is there any reference to an intermediate bulk container Chapter 9 of NFPA 30 does recognize an intermediate bulk container for warehouse-type storage of Class I flammable liquids but does not anticipate continual dispensingand use One could evaluate an intermediate bulk container as a means of long-term storageand dispensing of liquids under the Equivalency clause My opinion is that an intermediate bulk container is not considered a substitute for anaboveground storage tank but this is not specifically stated in the relevant codes This issue will be added to the agendas for the Technical Committees involved Please understand that this response is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 ofNFPArsquos Regulations Governing Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon todefinitively determine compliance with any laws ordinances rules or regulations Todetermine legal compliance you should refer to the appropriate authority havingjurisdiction or seek legal advice It is not intended nor should it be relied upon toprovide professional consultation or services To determine the adequacy or safety ofany device or installation you should consult with an appropriate professional

bbenedetti
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I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write Iwill be happy to assist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant toNFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does notnecessarily represent the official position of the NFPA or its Technical Committees Inaddition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it be relied upon to provideprofessional consultation or services cc 30IFI 30AIFI AUVNM FLCSWCNM FLCTANNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

If you have a reported fire in your home the risk of dyingdecreases by about 80 percent when sprinklers are present

wwwfiresprinklerinitiativeorgNotice The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intendedfor the exclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential andor privileged information If you arenot the intended recipient please notify Robert Benedetti immediately by replying to the message or by calling(617) 984-7433 Please delete this message and any attachments from your system Thank you

From Harrington Greg Sent Wednesday July 07 2010 350 PMTo Benedetti BobSubject FW Intermediate Bulk Containers Hi Bob Can you answer the question below Hersquos a friend of mine former inspector with San Antonio FD when Iworked down there now a safety guy at SWRI Thanks a lot --Greg

From Bill Cotner [mailtobcotnerswriorg] Sent Wednesday July 07 2010 332 PMTo Harrington GregSubject Intermediate Bulk Containers Hey Greg howrsquos the heat in Boston here it is a balmy 93 enjoying it I have a question probably out ofyour area but Irsquom sure you know who to route it to We have a group here that wants to dispense fuelfrom a stainless steel IBC into test engines I donrsquot think that is the intended use or what it has beenlisted for Can I get some guidance on this issue I appreciate anything you can do for me Bill Bill CotnerSenior Fire SpecialistEnvironmental Safety and Quality SystemsSouthwest Research InstitutePhone (210) 522-5101Fax (210) 522-5093Mobile (210) 669-7005Email bcotner swriorg

From Benedetti BobTo Ebanks DesmondCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiBcc May PaulSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Monday June 14 2010 35400 PM

Good afternoon Mr Ebanks The intent of Subsection 422 of NFPA 30A Code for Motor Fuel Dispensing Facilities and RepairGarages is that there be no direct piped connection between the aboveground storage tank inthe bulk plant and the fuel dispensing device in the motor fuel dispensing facility In my opinionthis includes any intervening underground storage tank The hazard being addressed is the potential to overfill the underground storage tank due to thestatic head of the liquid in the aboveground storage tank Please understand that this response is a personal opinion and does not constitute a FormalInterpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 of NFPArsquos RegulationsGoverning Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitively determine compliancewith any laws ordinances rules or regulations To determine legal compliance you shouldrefer to the appropriate authority having jurisdiction or seek legal advice It is not intended norshould it be relied upon to provide professional consultation or services To determine theadequacy or safety of any device or installation you should consult with an appropriateprofessional I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will behappy to assist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPARegulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarilyrepresent the official position of the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition thiscorrespondence is neither intended nor should it be relied upon to provide professional consultation orservices cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg Attend the premier event for fire life safety and electrical professionals

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From Ebanks Desmond [mailtoDesmondEbanksgovky] Sent Monday May 24 2010 940 AMTo Benedetti BobSubject bulk storage supply to motor fuel facilities Hi Bob NFPA 30A (2003) 422 gives to positions in relation to motor fuel dispensing facilities (mfdf) that I would like to havefurther clarified for Code intent please The first is that dispensing devices at the mfdf shall not be supplied by ASTs located in the bulk plant Does this implythat supply from a UST (underground storage tank) in the bulk storage facility would be acceptable or to the other extentthat even if the bulk AST supplied a loading rack which in turn supplied a UST both in the bulk facility that supplyfrom the bulk AST is still not permitted The second statement refers to any storage tank at the mfdf saying they shall not be connected by piping to bulkfacility ASTs Similarly does this imply that a UST (underground storage tank) in the bulk storage facility would beacceptable or that if the bulk tank was connected to a loading rack and the loading rack connected by non-permanentmeans to an mfdf tank that this would be permissible RegardsDes EbanksAssistant Petroleum InspectorThe Petroleum InspectorateCayman Islands GovernmentAnderson Square 4th floorPO Box 31213Grand CaymanKY1-1205Cayman IslandsOffice 345 244 3458Mobile 345 925 3317Fax 345 949 0920Email desmondebanksgovky

From Benedetti BobTo Shriniwas BodhankarCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiBcc May PaulSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Monday June 14 2010 50100 PM

Good day Sir There has been no discussion by the Technical Committee on Automotive and Marine ServiceStations to alter the separation distances in Table 4324 of NFPA 30A Code for Motor FuelDispensing Facilities and Repair Garages as they pertain to liquid fuels including high flashpoint diesel fuels Also there have been no proposals to make such a change to NFPA 30A I trust this answers your question R P Benedetti cc -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

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From Shriniwas Bodhankar [mailtobodhankarenoccom] Sent Tuesday June 01 2010 536 AMTo Maynard Mary Benedetti BobSubject NFPA 30 A Dear sir Reference is made to table no 4324 of NFPA code 30A specifying the minimum distance between storagetanks and dispensing equipment A dispenser should be placed minimum 50 feet away from a bunded abovegroundsteel tank to meet this requirementIn our opinion this is too stringent and uncalled for in case of high flash diesel ( Flash point above 65 degreecentigrade) A bunded tank where spill can be contained within bund is as safe as a vaulted tankfire resistanttankprotected tank Therefore it is equally safe to install an approved dispensing device immediately outside thebund provided the vent of the tank is 4 meters above the grade level on which the dispensing device is installedVarious international oil companies like SHELL amp BP carry similar installations for their fleet customers of dieselMoreover there are standard skids being marketed in EUROPE (even for gasoline) which have storage tanks and

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dispensers on same skid and such an arrangement is accepted by ldquoAuthority Having Jurisdictionrdquo(AHJ)Kindly advise if this standard requirement is being reviewed or otherwise if based on performance based designsuch a requirement may be waived or considered as ldquo highly recommendedrdquo in the leastBased on your feedback we wish to discuss this with AHJ in UAE Regards Regards Shriniwas BodhankarSenior EHS Compliance Officer( Special Projects)Group EHSQ Compliance DepartmentEmirates National Oil Company Limited (ENOC) LLC ENOC House I PO Box 6442Dubai United Arab EmiratesDirect +971 4 313 4437Fax +971 4 313 4482bodhankarenoccom | wwwenoccom

This message together with any attachments contains confidential information and is intended only for the use of theaddressee(s) and may contain information which is covered by legal professional or other privilege If you are not theintended recipient please inform the sender immediately and delete this e-mail You should not copy this e-mail or use itfor any purpose nor disclose its contents to any other person ENOC does not warrant that this transmission is virus freeand will not be liable for any damages resulting from any virus ENOC Dubai UAE

From Benedetti BobTo EActonccfireusCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiBcc May PaulSubject Inquiry NFPA 30A amp NFPA 30Date Monday August 02 2010 44400 PMAttachments DSC06169JPG

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Good day Mr Acton Fire protection provisions for major and minor repair garages and ldquolube-onlyrdquofacilities which is the topic of your concern are provided in NFPA 30A Code for MotorFuel Dispensing Facilities and Repair Garages currently 2008 edition Chapter 5 ofNFPA 30A covers piping systems but its specific provisions focus on piping systemsbetween fuel storage tanks and fuel dispensers Chapter 5 also directly referencesChapter 27 of the 2008 edition of NFPA 30 Flammable and Combustible Liquids Code(successor to Chapter 5 of the 2003 edition) Subsection 527 of NFPA 30A allows piping made from low-melting point materials tobe installed in exposed areas but only in specific locations These are limited tocontainment sumps under dispensers containment sumps for underground fuelstorage tanks and sumps for below-grade piping connections Chapter 5 of NFPA 30Ais silent on piping inside buildings Therefore the user is left with the provisions ofChapter 27 of NFPA 30 NFPA 30 in turn does allow piping fabricated of low melting point materials to beused exposed outdoors or inside buildings with the following provisions ldquo27441 Such materials shall be permitted to be used outdoors above ground orinside buildings provided they meet one of the following conditions (1) They are resistant to damage by fire(2) They are located so that any leakage resulting from failure will not exposepersons important buildings or structures(3) They are located where leakage can be controlled by operation of one or moreaccessible remotely located valvesrdquo Regardless of the material of construction of the piping and components the followinggeneral requirement from Chapter 27 of NFPA 30 always applies ldquo273 General Requirements2731 Performance Standards The design fabrication assembly test and inspectionof piping systems shall be suitable for the working pressures and structural stresses tobe encountered by the piping system Compliance with applicable sections of ASMEB31 Code for Pressure Piping and the provisions of this chapter shall be consideredprima facie evidence of compliance with the foregoing provisions2732 Tightness of Piping Piping systems shall be maintained liquidtight A pipingsystem that has leaks that constitute a hazard shall be emptied of liquid or repaired ina manner acceptable to the authority having jurisdictionrdquo Your interpretation of Subsection 511 of the 2003 edition of NFPA 30 (2711 in the2008 edition) is correct the chapter applies to any piping system that handles aflammable or combustible liquid regardless of pressure Likewise you are correct thatthe piping system must meet the provisions of ASME B31 for the material chosen andthe anticipated operating pressures and temperatures (531 in the 2003 edition 2741 in the 2008 edition) However low melting point materials (aluminum copperbrass and polymeric materials) are allowed under the provisions of Subsection 534(2003 edition) and 2744 (2008 edition) What must be determined is does thepiping system comply with one of the conditions stated in 27441 as stated above

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Please understand that this response is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 ofNFPArsquos Regulations Governing Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon todefinitively determine compliance with any laws ordinances rules or regulations Todetermine legal compliance you should refer to the appropriate authority havingjurisdiction or seek legal advice It is not intended nor should it be relied upon toprovide professional consultation or services To determine the adequacy or safety ofany device or installation you should consult with an appropriate professional I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write Iwill be happy to assist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant toNFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does notnecessarily represent the official position of the NFPA or its Technical Committees Inaddition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it be relied upon to provideprofessional consultation or services cc 30IFI 30AIFI AUVNM FLCTANNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

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From Eric Acton [mailtoEActonccfireus] Sent Monday July 19 2010 636 PMTo Benedetti BobSubject InterpretationOpinion request

Good day My name is Eric Acton I am the Fire Marshal for Campbell CountyWyoming and Irsquom employed by Campbell County Fire Department My NFPA

membership number is 2755369 My mailing and email addresses are listed below I am in need of a technical opinion regarding 2003 NFPA 30 Chapter 5 or morecurrently 2008 NFPA 30A Chapter 5 Some brief project backgroundAn owner within my jurisdiction has built a commercial lube-oil center to servicecustomersrsquo vehicles A ldquopitrdquo exists below the service bay to allow workers to drainthe oil from the vehicle then workers on the main floor refill the oil by use ofpressurized nozzles Several motor oil storage tanks are located in the pitaccounting for several brands and viscosities of oil The tanks are designed to befilled by use of a piping system which extends from an exterior connection vault toeach of the storage tanks using gravity to move the product in the fill-pipingsystem The material the owner chose to construct the fill-piping system wasldquostandardrdquo 1-12rdquo Schedule 40 PVC and Parker Series 7094 Electrically Non-Conductive rubber hose The piping system is exposed it is not underground nor isit protected from flame by means of a fire-rated chase Having identified the use of combustible liquids in this occupancy I utilized 2006International Fire Code (as adopted by my jurisdiction) Chapter 34 Flammable andCombustible Liquids to review and inspect the project IFC Section 340362referred me to NFPA 30 Chapter 5 for the construction materials to use where Iinterpreted (2003 version) 30511 to mean that the piping system components (pipetubing flanges bolting gaskets valves fittingshellip) must meet the requirementsregardless of pressure And that the following components specified in theparagraph must meet the requirements ONLY if they contained pressure ndashhelliprdquoexpansion joints and strainers and devices such thathelliprdquo I further interpreted(2003 version) 30531 Material Specifications similarly in that the ldquoPipe valvesfaucets couplingshelliprdquo must meet the requirements regardless of pressure while ldquohellipother pressure-containing partshelliprdquo meant ONLY the other parts that containedpressure Verbatim to 30511 is encountered in 2008 NFPA 30A Chapter 5paragraph 51 Scope The owner states his piping complies with the standard cited because it is gravity-fed hence no ldquopressurerdquo is seen by the piping components I maintain that thepiping system shall consist of metal pipe (or another material meeting therequirements of ASME B31 as allowed by 2003 NFPA 30531) to comply with NFPA30 and IFC Some assistance to resolve this problem is greatly appreciated I have attachedsome photographs for clarification Thanks for your attentionEric

Eric ActonFire MarshalCampbell County Fire Department 106 Rohan Avenue Gillette WY 82716 (307) 682-5319 ext 8912(307) 686-2222 Fax(307) 680-9612 Cell

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From Benedetti BobTo Howard Jim (Woodbridge)Cc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiBcc May PaulSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Monday June 28 2010 115100 AM

Good morning Mr Howard First I appreciate your patience with me while I reviewed the information sent to meby yourself and Mr Luby of Veeder-Root I wanted to ensure that I thoroughlyunderstood how the system functions in its line leak detection mode My understanding of the arrangement of the piping system from the pair ofunderground storage tanks is that the electronic line leak detector the PLLD tests thesupply piping from the two submersible pumps to the dispensers as a single system This includes the direct piping run from the master pump to the dispensers AND thepiping that connects the slave pump to the direct piping run The intent of Subsection 642 of the 2008 edition of NFPA 30A Code for Motor FuelDispensing Facilities and Repair Garages is to ensure that some type of leak detectiondevice monitors the piping from the submersible pump to the dispensers in such amanner that a leak in the piping leading to the dispensers or in the dispensersthemselves is detected and notification of a leak given Since the two pumps act intandem and since the entire piping system from the pumps to the dispensers ismonitored my personal opinion is that the intent of Subsection 642 is met andevaluation of the system described as being equivalent to what is required bySubsection 642 is reasonable Whether the system described meets the criteria of Section 15 Equivalency of NFPA30A must be determined by the authority having jurisdiction As NFPA Staff Liaison forNFPA 30A I cannot make such a determination under NFPArsquos Regulations GoverningCommittee Projects Please understand that this response is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 ofNFPArsquos Regulations Governing Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon todefinitively determine compliance with any laws ordinances rules or regulations Todetermine legal compliance you should refer to the appropriate authority havingjurisdiction or seek legal advice It is not intended nor should it be relied upon toprovide professional consultation or services To determine the adequacy or safety ofany device or installation you should consult with an appropriate professional I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write Iwill be happy to assist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant toNFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does notnecessarily represent the official position of the NFPA or its Technical Committees Inaddition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it be relied upon to provideprofessional consultation or services cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids Engineer

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National Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

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From Howard Jim (Woodbridge) [mailtoJHowardhesscom] Sent Monday June 14 2010 1144 AMTo Benedetti BobCc Howard Jim (Woodbridge) Bob Luby Subject Importance High Bob It was a pleasure talking to you this morning regarding the Line Leak Detection applicationin place at Hess Station 08501 - Milltown DE (drawing attached) as well as several thousandlocations worldwide Here is some background information on this installation

Site had 3 - 10000 gallon gasoline tanks 1 - 10000 Regular (87) 1 - 10000 Plus (89) 1 - 10000 Premium (93) prior to our Dispenser Replacement Project Because of theoverwhelming demand for Regular gasoline (887 in 2009) we converted the existingPlus tank to additional Regular storageDispensers were replaced with new Blend Dispensers Tanks were not manifoldedRegular and former-Plus product lines were manifolded at each dispenserWe installed Veeder-Root PLLDs (Electronic Line Leak Detectors) on the Regular 1and Premium STPs We installed a non-vented Swift Check on Regular 2 (formerPlus) STP Because the PLLD is vented we MUST install a non-vented swift check onRegular STP 2 in order to test the system as a wholeWe have demonstrated via post-construction testing that the system will pick up a 3gph leak

The State of DE has questioned our compliance with NFPA 30A 642 Each pump shallhave installed on the discharge side a listed leak detection device that will provide an audibleor visible indication if the piping or a dispenser is leaking Each leak-detecting device shallbe checked and tested at least annually according to the manufacturers specifications toensure proper installation and operation

Can you comment on whether the system shown on the attached and described above and onour call meets the NFPA requirement or if it meets the definition of Equivalency as definedin Chapter 15 - Equivalency Thank you in advance for your consideration in this matter Please do not hesitate to contactme if there are any questions or concerns on this application ThanksJim Howard RFMPManager Maintenance amp UST ComplianceHess Corporation732-750-6220 (office)800-903-4801 (Emergency Hotline)E-mail UST Inspections to USTCompliancehesscomFax UST Inspections to 866-435-6744

This e-mail and any attachments are for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may containinformation that is confidential If you are not the intended recipient(s) and have received this e-mail in error please immediately notify the sender by return e-mail and delete this e-mail fromyour computer Any distribution disclosure or the taking of any other action by anyone other thanthe intended recipient(s) is strictly prohibited

From Benedetti BobTo Gary KostalCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiBcc May PaulSubject Inquiry NFPA 30 NFPA 30ADate Tuesday August 10 2010 43200 PM

Good afternoon Mr Kostal There are no provisions in NFPA 30 Flammable and Combustible Liquids Code togovern dispensing of motor fuels into motorized equipment and the devices youdescribe are not mentioned at all in NFPA 30 or in the only other related NFPAdocument that might apply NFPA 30A Code for Motor Fuel Dispensing Facilities andRepair Garages I cannot say that these units are either allowed or disallowed because neither NFPA30 nor NFPA 30A speaks about them The only provisions that might apply are the quantity limitations established in thesetwo codes depending on which code applies If the maintenance building is considered an industrial occupancy then Chapter 9 ofNFPA 30 establishes a maximum allowable quantity for of 120 gallons for Class Iliquids (The maximum allowable quantity is actually a threshold value Up to theMAQ compliance with NFPA 30 is not required above it NFPA 30 applies) If the maintenance building is considered a repair garage then NFPA 30A takesprecedence It also sets a 120 gallon limit on the maximum quantity of Class I liquid In both cases the quantity of fuel involved is 50 percent of the maximum allowed Myopinion is that there is no violation of either NFPA 30 or NFPA 30A Please understand that this response is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 ofNFPArsquos Regulations Governing Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon todefinitively determine compliance with any laws ordinances rules or regulations Todetermine legal compliance you should refer to the appropriate authority havingjurisdiction or seek legal advice It is not intended nor should it be relied upon toprovide professional consultation or services To determine the adequacy or safety ofany device or installation you should consult with an appropriate professional I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write Iwill be happy to assist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant toNFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does notnecessarily represent the official position of the NFPA or its Technical Committees Inaddition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it be relied upon to provideprofessional consultation or services cc 30IFI 30AIFI-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch Park

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Quincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg Important Notice This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPA RegulationsAny opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarily represent the officialposition of the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition this correspondence is neither intended norshould it be relied upon to provide professional consultation or services

Visit wwwfirepreventionweekorg or call 800-344-3555 for more information Check out FPW on social mediahellipwwwtwittercomfpw2010wwwfacebookcomfirepreventionweekhttpnfpatypepadcomfpw Check out NFPA onhellip

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From Gary Kostal [mailtogarykbloomingdalefirecom] Sent Monday August 09 2010 328 PMTo Benedetti BobSubject Looking for assistance - portable gas caddies Membership 2329840 Gary KostalFire Prevention DirectorBloomingdale Fire District Question (Non-formal opinion) I have a country club where they service a very large number of lawn maintenance equipment on a dailybasis They are utilizing a portable gas container (gas caddy) that holds approximately 30 gallons ofgasoline The unit is equipped with a hand style pump which is located on the top of the tank Fuel isdispensed from this tank as you crank the pump There are no nozzles located on the hose These gascaddies are being used inside their maintenance building which is fully fire sprinkled They are presentlyusing two of these devices inside the same building which is basically one days use

My question is are these devices allowed for this type of dispensing Are they required to be equippedwith a self closing nozzle What NFPA sections would apply to this particular type of device Thank you for your assistance in this matter

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From Benedetti BobTo SheldonSchallWisconsingovCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Wednesday September 30 2009 45929 PM

Good afternoon Sheldon I will here provide more detailed answers to your questions as posed in the email you sent to me today Section 30A-4323 limits tank storage capacity for Class I and II No limit for Class IIIA or IIIB

You are correct The intent of 4323 is to limit the capacities only of those tanks that storeClass I and II liquids Recall that when NFPA 30A initially allowed aboveground storage tanks atvehicle fueling sites biofuels were not in the picture just gasoline (Class I) and diesel fuel (ClassII) The Technical Committee at the time did not conceive that there would be the need to storeClass III fuels because there werenrsquot any The bottom line NFPA 30A does not limit the capacityof an aboveground storage tank that holds a motor fuel that is a Class III liquid

Section 30A-4324 refers to setbacks in Table 4324 No indication that these setbacks are specific toor exclude any class of flammable or combustible so it appears that the setbacks apply to Class I -Class IIIB liquids This table appears to conflict with the previous section for Class IIIA amp IIIB liquids

This is again correct that the separation distances in Table 4324 are not specific to anyparticular Class of liquid There is no conflict however 4323 deals with tank capacities 4324 deals with separation distances for the tanks Since 4324 does not specify anyparticular liquid class(es) it applies to ALL liquid classes

Section 30A-4325 allows an increased capacity for Class II and III liquids at fleet facilities Thisappears to conflict with section 4323 for Class III liquids which didnt have a capacity limit to startwith

Here there is a conflict or at least a serious inconsistency This provision was added one or twoeditions after 4323 and it appears that biofuels are beginning to be recognized It also appearsthat the intent here was to allow a relaxation of one limit in favor of a more liberal one Theproblem is the original limit doesnrsquot exist making it arguable that the application of 4325 toClass III liquids is meaningless Given the obvious intent here for some limit on Class III liquidfuels 4323 should be amended to include Class IIIs

Section 30A-4327 addresses dispensing from an aboveground tank for Class I and II liquids based uponspecific conditions

Paragraph 4322 is a hold-over dating back to when service stations were covered in Chapter 7of the old versions of NFPA 30 This set of requirements should also be amended to include ClassIIIs

Section 30A-4328 refers to NFPA 30-2171 for spill and overfill This section only applies to class Iand II liquids

While it is true that Subsection 2171 of NFPA 30 only applies to Classes I and II I do not believeit is a conflict for NFPA 30A to also apply it to Class III as well if the Technical Committee it isappropriate to do so However the language needs to be improved or an Annex item should beadded to explain the extrapolation and the reason for it

I will add this to the next meetingrsquos agenda for the Technical Committee on Automotive and MarineService Stations As usual the following applies Please understand that this response to your inquiry is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 of NFPArsquos RegulationsGoverning Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitively determine compliance with anylaws ordinances rules or regulations To determine the adequacy or safety of any device or installationyou should consult with an appropriate professional To determine legal compliance you should refer tothe appropriate authority having jurisdiction or seek legal advice

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I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will be happy toassist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarily represent the official positionof the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it berelied upon to provide professional consultation or services cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

Fire Prevention Week is October 4 ndash 10 2009 Visit wwwfirepreventionweekorg or call 800-344-3555 for moreinformation NFPA Seminars - Apply the codes with confidenceRegister at wwwnfpalearnorg NFPA Membership keeps you up-to-dateVisit wwwnfpaorgjoin for more information Or call 800-344-3555Notice The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for theexclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential andor privileged information If you are not the intendedrecipient please notify Robert Benedetti immediately by replying to the message or by calling (617) 984-7433 Please deletethis message and any attachments from your system Thank you Considering the variables in the sections referenced above are the setbacks in Table 4324 intended toapply to Class IIIA andor Class IIIB liquids for public fueling

From Schall Sheldon - COMMERCE [mailtoSheldonSchallWisconsingov] Sent Wednesday September 30 2009 832 AMTo Benedetti BobSubject NFPA 30A-4324 inquiry - URGENT Section 30A-4323 limits tank storage capacity for Class I and II No limit for Class IIIA or IIIB trueSection 30A-4324 refers to setbacks in Table 4324 No indication that these setbacks are specific toor exclude any class of flammable or combustible so it appears that the setbacks apply to Class I -Class IIIB liquids This table appears to conflict with the previous section for Class IIIA amp IIIB liquids Also trueSection 30A-4325 allows an increased capacity for Class II and III liquids at fleet facilities Thisappears to conflict with section 4323 for Class III liquids which didnt have a capacity limit to startwith Either one or the other needs to changeSection 30A-4327 addresses dispensing from an aboveground tank for Class I and II liquids based uponspecific conditions Need to cover IIIBSection 30A-4328 refers to NFPA 30-2171 for spill and overfill This section only applies to class Iand II liquids Class IIIs need to be specifically addressed Considering the variables in the sections referenced above are the setbacks in Table 4324 intended toapply to Class IIIA andor Class IIIB liquids for public fueling

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From Benedetti BobTo Bill HickmanCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Monday December 14 2009 50332 PM

Good afternoon Mr Hickman To answer your question the separation distances in Table 4324 of NFPA 30A Code for MotorFuel Dispensing Facilities and Repair Garages are intended to apply to outside abovegroundstorage tanks for fuel where such is allowed The tanks inside a service station building majorrepair garage or minor repair garage would likely be handling Class IIIB liquids (flash point gt200 degF) only in accordance with Subsection 4392 of NFPA 30A Subsection 4392 does not set any specific requirements for separation between tanks inside abuilding although it does refer back to Chapters 21 through 23 of NFPA 30 Flammable andCombustible Liquids Code Shell-to-shell spacing distances for aboveground tanks areestablished in Table 22421 Table 22421 is intended for much large tanks than one wouldfind in a repair garage or ldquolube-onlyrdquo facility For example the minimum separation for tanksstoring Class IIIB liquids is 3 feet as set forth in 224212 But again the separationdistances in Chapter 22 of NFPA 30 are intended for tank farm application not for the muchsmaller tanks found in the type of occupancy governed by NFPA 30A Also any facility meeting the requirements of NFPA 30A is considered to be in compliance withNFPA 30 Please understand that this response to your inquiry is a personal opinion and does notconstitute a Formal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 ofNFPArsquos Regulations Governing Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitivelydetermine compliance with any laws ordinances rules or regulations To determine theadequacy or safety of any device or installation you should consult with an appropriateprofessional To determine legal compliance you should refer to the appropriate authorityhaving jurisdiction or seek legal advice I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will behappy to assist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPARegulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarilyrepresent the official position of the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition thiscorrespondence is neither intended nor should it be relied upon to provide professional consultation orservices cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg If you have a reported fire in your home the risk of dyingdecreases by about 80 percent when sprinklers are present

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From Bill Hickman [mailtoBillHickmanstatecous] Sent Tuesday December 01 2009 939 AMTo Benedetti BobSubject Inquiry NFPA 30A - Storage of Liquids Inside Buildings Mr Benedetti Id appreciate your interpretation on an item regarding aboveground tanks storing lubricants (newused oil) inside abuilding at a repair garage NFPA 30A 439 does not include specific spacing requirements for tanks inside buildings Where there are multiple tanks being stored inside the building is there no minimum separation distance requirementthat must be met or do the requirements of Table 4324 apply Thank you in advance for your assistance __________________________________ Bill HickmanInspectorTechnical SpecialistCO Division of Oil amp Public Safety303-378-5090

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From Benedetti BobTo Peznowski EdwardCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Thursday September 03 2009 30455 PM

Hi Ed The 1996 edition of the Flammable and Combustible Liquids Code Handbook was the last one prior to thecurrent 2008 edition The commentary hasnrsquot changed My recollection of the development of this text is that the intent of NFPA 30A Code for Motor FuelDispensing Facilities and Repair Garages is to isolate the motor fuel dispensing area and its attendanthazard completely from the rest of the structure regardless of what else might be in the structure Subsection 524 assumes that the installation involves a motor fuel dispensing operation inside abuilding where you would not expect to have same such as an office building A bus repair facility wouldbe probably classed as a major repair garage and would be expected to have fueling operations Thehazard of this is in my opinion no greater than the repair operations It could be that the language in Subsection 524 needs to be clarified so that it applies only to situationssuch as I first described Please understand that this response to your inquiry is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 of NFPArsquos RegulationsGoverning Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitively determine compliance with anylaws ordinances rules or regulations To determine the adequacy or safety of any device or installationyou should consult with an appropriate professional To determine legal compliance you should refer tothe appropriate authority having jurisdiction or seek legal advice I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will be happy toassist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarily represent the official positionof the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it berelied upon to provide professional consultation or services cc 30AIFI 30AFAQ AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

Fire Prevention Week is October 4 ndash 10 2009 Visit wwwfirepreventionweekorg or call 800-344-3555 for moreinformation NFPA Seminars - Apply the codes with confidenceRegister at wwwnfpalearnorg NFPA Membership keeps you up-to-dateVisit wwwnfpaorgjoin for more information Or call 800-344-3555Notice The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for the

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From Peznowski Edward [mailtoEdwardPeznowskipostatectus] Sent Monday August 31 2009 127 PMTo Benedetti BobSubject NFPA 30A Hi Bob Sorry to bother you but I need your help and interpretation of the following section of NFPA 30A 2000edition 524 - All piping inside buildings but outside the motor fuel dispensing area shall be enclosed within ahorizontal chase or a vertical shaft used only for this piping Vertical shafts and horizontal chases shall beconstructed of materials having a fire resistance rating of not less than 2 hours Bob I have a bus repair facility being built and we have fuel dispensing area within the building enclosedwith a 2hr fire resistive separation My question is I have diesel fuel piping coming from two tanks locatedoutside of the building the piping runs outside of the dispensing area does this piping need to be enclosed Ihave the proper UL listed system for through wall penetrations My problem lies here I have natural gas heating fuel oil lines for boilers and diesel fuel line for thegenerator all running through the area outside the 2 hour rated dispensing area which are not required to beenclosed My thought is within the 2 hour fire resistive construction I have storage rooms for grease and oil a office forfuel dispensing Any fuel piping running through these areas would be enclosed but once I go outside my 2hrrated enclosure the piping would not have to be enclosed NFPA 30A (1996edition)6-42 - All fuel and flammable vapor piping inside buildings but outside the service station area shall beenclosed within a horizontal chase or a vertical shaft used only for this piping Vertical shafts and horizontalchases shall be constructed of materials having a fire resistance rating of not less than 2 hoursCOMMENTARY 6-42 The intent of this requirement is to preserve the isolation of the service stationoperation from the rest of the building I donrsquot have the 2000 handbook for commentary Thanks Bob Edward J PeznowskiFire amp Life Safety SpecialistBureau of EngineeringOffice State Fire Marshal860-685-8350

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From Benedetti BobTo Hamilton James P (HOY)Cc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiSubject Inquiry NFPA 30A-2008Date Monday September 14 2009 115041 AM

Good morning Mr Hamilton The intent of this particular provision of Subsection 672 of NFPA 30A Code for Motor Fuel DispensingFacilities and Repair Garages is to ensure that the patron has access to a second disconnect if he or shecannot reach the primary disconnect ie the one that is between 20 and 100 feet from the dispenser In my opinion all of the emergency disconnects required by Section 67 must be at least 20 ft but normore than 100 ft from the nearest dispenser Please understand that this response to your inquiry is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 of NFPArsquos RegulationsGoverning Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitively determine compliance with anylaws ordinances rules or regulations To determine the adequacy or safety of any device or installationyou should consult with an appropriate professional To determine legal compliance you should refer tothe appropriate authority having jurisdiction or seek legal advice I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will be happy toassist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarily represent the official positionof the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it berelied upon to provide professional consultation or services cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

Fire Prevention Week is October 4 ndash 10 2009 Visit wwwfirepreventionweekorg or call 800-344-3555 for moreinformation NFPA Seminars - Apply the codes with confidenceRegister at wwwnfpalearnorg NFPA Membership keeps you up-to-dateVisit wwwnfpaorgjoin for more information Or call 800-344-3555Notice The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for theexclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential andor privileged information If you are not the intendedrecipient please notify Robert Benedetti immediately by replying to the message or by calling (617) 984-7433 Please deletethis message and any attachments from your system Thank you

From Hamilton James P (HOY) [mailtoHAMILTONJPbechteljacobsorg] Sent Thursday September 10 2009 1224 PMTo Benedetti BobSubject NFPA 30A 2008 Edition

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Importance High

NFPA 30A 672 states at least one additional device or disconnect shall be readily accessible toeach group of dispensing devices on an individual island Our installation does not have islands Should the second emergency shutoff be installed close to the pumps or between 20 and 100 ofthe pumps

Please respond back via email hamiltonjpbechteljacobsorg

Thanks

NFPA 127130 James P Hamilton CFPSTetraTek Inc - Fire Safety TechnologiesFire Protection LeadK-27 Pre-Demo Project 790 Emory Valley Rd 811 Oak Ridge TN 37830 ETTP Office 865-241-1902

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From Benedetti BobTo Scott DavonskiCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Tuesday August 04 2009 92429 AM

Good morning Mr Davonski My opinion is that the intent of the requirement in Subsection 1141 of NFPA 30A Code for Motor FuelDispensing Facilities and Repair Garages is that any hose longer than 18 feet should not simply bestrung along the dockrsquos surface Using a reel would be one means of securing the hose although Irsquomsure other methods such as hangers would work as well Please understand that this response to your inquiry is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 of NFPArsquos RegulationsGoverning Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitively determine compliance with anylaws ordinances rules or regulations To determine the adequacy or safety of any device or installationyou should consult with an appropriate professional To determine legal compliance you should refer tothe appropriate authority having jurisdiction or seek legal advice I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will be happy toassist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarily represent the official positionof the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it berelied upon to provide professional consultation or services cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

Fire Prevention Week is October 4 ndash 10 2009 Visit wwwfirepreventionweekorg or call 800-344-3555 for moreinformation NFPA Seminars - Apply the codes with confidenceRegister at wwwnfpalearnorg NFPA Membership keeps you up-to-dateVisit wwwnfpaorgjoin for more information Or call 800-344-3555Notice The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for theexclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential andor privileged information If you are not the intendedrecipient please notify Robert Benedetti immediately by replying to the message or by calling (617) 984-7433 Please deletethis message and any attachments from your system Thank you

From Scott Davonski [mailtodavonskiRiverheadlicom] Sent Wednesday July 22 2009 1118 AMTo Benedetti BobSubject 30A clarification

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1141 All hose shall be listed Where hose length exceeds 55 m (18 ft) the hose shall besecured so as to protect it from damage Can you provide clarification as to what is meant by ldquosecured so as to protect it fromdamagerdquo Is the standard looking not to have the hoses on the dock In a reel Any clarificationinformation would be appreciated Scott W DavonskiChief Fire MarshalTown of RiverheadP- 631-727-3200 ext 209F- 631-727-3370

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Proposed TIA to NFPA 30A-2008 1 Add a new definition of ldquoalcohol blended motor fuelrdquo to read as follows

ldquo33X Alcohol Blended Motor Fuel Motor fuel consisting of a blend of alcohol such as ethanol and gasoline with an alcohol concentration greater than 10 percent by volume including those with nominally 85 percent ethanol 15 percent unleaded gasoline (E85)rdquo

2 Revise 632 to read

ldquo632 Dispensing devices for Class I and II liquids shall be listed for the specific fuels being dispensed A632 See UL 87 Standard for Power-Operated Dispensing Devices for Petroleum Products or UL SU87A Outline for Power-Operated Dispensing Devices for Gasoline and GasolineEthanol Blends with Nominal Concentrations up to 85 Percent 6321 Existing listed or labeled dispensing devices shall be permitted to be modified provided that the modifications made are ldquoListed by Reportrdquo by an approved testing laboratory or as otherwise approved by the authority having jurisdiction Modification proposals shall contain a description of the component parts used in the modification and the recommended methods of installation on specific dispensing devices Modification proposals shall be made available to the authority having jurisdiction upon request 6322 Existing dispensing devices shall be listed for the specific fuel or fuels being dispensed 63221 Where existing dispensing devices are not listed for a specific fuel or fuels see Section 15 Equivalency A6322 1 The authority having jurisdiction by virtue of Section 15 may approve the use of existing equipment for fuels for which no listing is available Where the authority having jurisdiction approves the use of an existing dispensing device or existing related dispensing equipment for use with alcohol blended motor fuels the approval of the dispensing device and related dispensing equipment may be based on the following (1) The dispensing device and related dispensing equipment should be listed for dispensing of gasoline motor fuel and (2) The dispensing device and related dispensing equipment should be inspected by a person who is knowledgeable in the operation of the equipment to verify that it is in proper working order and is not leaking as described in (a) and (b) (a) A visual inspection of the fuel dispenser and its associated hanging hardware should be conducted ldquoHanging hardwarerdquo includes the following components that might be present hose nozzle valve hose breakaway valve and hose swivel Inspections should be conducted at least weekly and should be documented Documentation should be available for review by the authority having jurisdiction upon request (b) An inspection of the fuel-dispensing equipment that is located inside the dispenser cabinet should be conducted The interior of the dispenser cabinet should

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be inspected for signs of leaks damage corrosion or weathering with particular attention to the sump area and joints and castings of fuel handling components The inspection should be conducted at least monthly and should be documented Documentation should be available for review by the authority having jurisdiction upon request (c) If a leak is discovered use of the affected dispensing device should be discontinued until repairs can be made The authority having jurisdiction is provided with the ability to approve for use with mid-level alcohol blended motor fuels (eg E15 15 percent ethanol 85 percent unleaded gasoline) dispensing devices and related dispensing equipment currently listed for use with E10 (10 percent ethanol 90 percent unleaded gasoline) Approval of the dispensing device or related dispensing equipment for use with alcohol blended motor fuel requires that the dispensing device and related dispensing equipment be listed for use with E10 and that periodic inspection be conducted to verify that the equipment is functioning properly Useful forms for documenting inspections can be found in PEIRP500-05 Recommended Practices for Inspection and Maintenance of Motor Fuel Dispensing Equipment and are also available at wwwpeiorgrp500 In addition the authority having jurisdiction may take into account other factors including actual field experience evidence of compatibility (eg manufacturerrsquos declaration) and functionality by government agencies trade associations and testing laboratories Underwriters Laboratories Inc has listed dispensing devices and related dispensing equipment for alcohol blended motor fuels up to E10 and more recently has begun listing dispensing devices for alcohol blended motor fuels up to E25 (25 percent ethanol 75 percent unleaded gasoline) However the majority of existing dispensing devices and related dispensing equipment currently in service at motor fuel dispensing facilities are not listed for use with alcohol blended motor fuels with more than 10 percent ethanol While higher alcohol blended motor fuels (eg E85 85 percent ethanol 15 percent unleaded gasoline) are typically sold as an alternative to E10 the mid-level alcohol blended motor fuels such as E15 if approved by the U S Environmental Protection Agency might likely become a replacement for current motor fuels either through state or federal mandates or because of supply chain restrictions In order to maintain the supply of motor fuel this might require the sale of mid-level blends through the existing dispensing devices and related dispensing equipmentrdquo

3 Revise 651 to read

ldquo651 Listed hose assemblies shall be used to dispense fuels shall be listed for the specific fuels being dispensed Hose length at automotive motor fuel dispensing facilities shall not exceed 55 m (18 ft) Where hose length at marine motor fuel dispensing facilities exceeds 55 m (18 ft) the hose shall be secured so as to protect it from damage (See A63221)rdquo

4 Revise 661 to read

ldquo661 An automatic-closing-type hose nozzle valve listed in accordance with UL 842 Standard for Valves for Flammable Fluids and listed for the specific fuels being dispensed with or without latch-open device shall be provided on island-type dispensing devices used to dispense Class I or Class II liquids (See A63221)rdquo

5 Revise 681 and 682 to read

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ldquo681 Dispensing devices that incorporate vapor recovery shall be listed for the specific fuels being dispensed (See A63221) 682 Hose nozzle valves used on vapor recovery systems shall be listed for the purpose and for the specific fuels being dispensed (See A63221)rdquo

6 Add a new entry to Table B1 Typical Flammable and Combustible Liquids Found at Motor Fuel Dispensing Facilities to read as follows

ldquoAlcohol Blended Motor Fuel -40 degF ndash 55 degF Class IB varies nardquo A6321 proposed 6231 and its annex all becomes annex material gtgtgt New lead-in Where modifications are made 2 Add a new Subsection 623 and an accompanying annex text to read as follows A6322 Where dispensing devices and related dispensing equipment including dispensers hoses nozzles breakaway fittings swivels flexible connectors dispenser emergency shutoff valves and vapor recovery systems and pumps are propose for use for alcohol blended motor fuels they should be listed Where there is currently no listing see 15 for equivalencies Section 15 permits the authority having jurisdiction to approve non-listed components for the specific for the specific fuel being dispensed Where the authority having jurisdiction approves the use of a dispensing device or related dispensing equipment for use with alcohol blended motor fuels the approval of the dispensing device and related dispensing equipment could include the following (1) The dispensing device and related dispensing equipment shall be listed for dispensing of gasoline motor fuel and (2) The dispensing device and related dispensing equipment shall be periodically inspected by a person who is knowledgeable in the operation of the equipment to verify that it is in proper working order and is not leaking as described in (a) and (b) (a) A visual inspection of the fuel dispenser and its associated hanging hardware shall be conducted ldquoHanging hardwarerdquo shall include the following components that might be present hose nozzle valve hose breakaway valve and hose swivel Inspections shall be conducted at least weekly and shall be documented Documentation shall be available for review by the authority having jurisdiction upon request (b) An inspection of the fuel-dispensing equipment that is located inside the dispenser cabinet shall be conducted The interior of the dispenser cabinet shall be inspected for signs of leaks damage corrosion or weathering with particular attention to the sump area and joints and castings of fuel handling components The inspection shall be conducted at least monthly and shall be documented Documentation shall be available for review by the authority having jurisdiction upon request NEEDS TO TELL WHAT TO DO BEYOND MERE DOCUMENTATION ALSO NEED TO REPLACE ldquoPERIODICrdquo WITH FIRM TIME A623 See UL SU87A Outline for Power-Operated Dispensing Devices for Gasoline and GasolineEthanol Blends with Nominal Concentrations up to 85 Percent

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A6231 The authority having jurisdiction is provided with the ability to approve for use with mid-level alcohol blended motor fuels (eg E15 15 percent ethanol 85 percent unleaded gasoline) dispensing devices and related dispensing equipment currently listed for use with E10 (10 percent ethanol 90 percent unleaded gasoline) Approval of the dispensing device or related dispensing equipment for use with alcohol blended motor fuel requires that the dispensing device and related dispensing equipment be listed for use with E10 and that periodic inspection be conducted to verify that the equipment is functioning properly Useful forms for documenting inspections can be found in PEIRP500-05 Recommended Practices for Inspection and Maintenance of Motor Fuel Dispensing Equipment and are also available at wwwpeiorgrp500 In addition the authority having jurisdiction may take into account other factors including actual field experience evidence of compatibility (eg manufacturerrsquos declaration) and functionality by government agencies trade associations and testing laboratories Underwriters Laboratories Inc has listed dispensing devices and related dispensing equipment for alcohol blended motor fuels up to E10 and more recently has begun listing dispensing devices for alcohol blended motor fuels up to E25 (25 percent ethanol 75 percent unleaded gasoline) However the majority of existing dispensing devices and related dispensing equipment currently in service at motor fuel dispensing facilities are not listed for use with alcohol blended motor fuels with more than 10 percent ethanol While higher alcohol blended motor fuels (eg E85 85 percent ethanol 15 percent unleaded gasoline) are typically sold as an alternative to E10 the mid-level alcohol blended motor fuels such as E15 if approved by the U S Environmental Protection Agency might likely become a replacement for current motor fuels either through state or federal mandates or because of supply chain restrictions In order to maintain the supply of motor fuel this might require the sale of mid-level blends through the existing dispensing devices and related dispensing equipmentrdquo

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Report on Comments ndash June 2011 NFPA 30A_______________________________________________________________________________________________30A- Log 6

_______________________________________________________________________________________________John F Bender Underwriters Laboratories Inc

30A-6Revise text as follows

Underwriters Laboratories Inc 333 Pfingsten Road Northbrook IL 60062-2096UL 87 Standard for Power-Operated Dispensing Devices for Petroleum Products 2001 Revised 2008ANSIUL 842 Standard for Valves for Flammable Fluids 2007 Revised 2010UL 2080 Standard for Fire Resistant Tanks for Flammable and Combustible Liquids 2000ANSIUL 2085 Standard for Protected Aboveground Tanks for Flammable and Combustible Liquids 1997 Revised

1999UL 2245 Standard for Below-Grade Vaults for Flammable Liquid Storage Tanks 2006

Updated referenced standards to most recent revisions Add ANSI approval designation to ANSIUL842 and ANSIUL 2085

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Report on Comments ndash June 2011 NFPA 30A_______________________________________________________________________________________________30A- Log 4

_______________________________________________________________________________________________Marshall A Klein Marshall A Klein amp Associates Inc

30A-7Revise text to read as follows

331 Basement Basement For the purposes of this code a story of a building or structure having one-half or more ofits height below ground level and to which access for fire-fighting purposes is restricted [302008] Any story of a buildingwholly or partly below grade plane that is not considered the first story above grade plane (Also see 33X ldquoFirst StoryAbove Grade Planerdquo 33Y ldquoGrade Planerdquo and 33Z ldquoStoryrdquo) [5000 2009]33X First Story Above Grade Plane Any story having its finished floor surface entirely above grade plane except

that a basement shall be considered as a first story above grade plane where the finished surface of the floor above thebasement is (1) more than 6 ft (1830 mm) above grade plane or (2) more than 12 ft (3660 mm) above the finished levelat any point (See also 33Z ldquoStoryrdquo) [5000 2009]33Z Story The portion of a building located between the upper surface of a floor and the upper surface of the floor or

roof next above [5000 2009]33Y Grade Plane A reference plane representing the average of the finished ground level adjoining the building at all

exterior walls When the finished ground level slopes down from the exterior walls the grade plane is established by thelowest points within the area between the building and the lot line or when the lot line is more than 6 ft (1830 mm) fromthe building between the building and a point 6 ft (1830 mm) from the building (See also 33W ldquoFinished Ground Level(Graderdquo) [5000 2009]33W Finished Ground Level (Grade) The level of the finished ground (earth or other surface on ground) (See also33Y ldquoGrade Planerdquo) [5000 2009]

The Committeersquos substantiation for this Committee Proposal was ldquoThis definition is the preferreddefinition from the NFPA Glossary of Terms Changing the secondary definition to the preferred definition complies withthe Glossary of Terms Projectrdquo Also the Committeersquos statement said in part ldquohellipThe key issue relative to NFPA 30A issafe access to and evacuation from the basement area by emergency responders during an emergencyrdquo

Since the first edition of the NFPA 5000 Building Code the NFPA 30A Committee has attempted to be in correlationwith NFPA 5000 and the other Model Building Code in the the United States IBC The dispensing facilities and repairgarage buildings constructed under the NFPA 30A are also required to comply with the local building code which will beeither NFPA 5000 or IBC The proposed definition for ldquobasementrdquo that is taken from NFPA 30 is more suited for thelarger flammable and combustible types of facilities built under NFPA 30 not the service centersrepair garages builtunder NFPA 30A and the building codes

NFPA 30A should stay with its present position to correlate with the definition for a ldquobasementrdquo with NFPA 5000ldquoBuilding Construction and safety Coderdquo and not replace this definition with the one that is in NFPA 30 ldquoFlammable andCombustible Liquids Coderdquo

The term ldquobasementrdquo is only used in the NFPA 30A Code in Section 423 that deals with ignitable vapors in abasement or pit and Section 746 that applies when sprinklers are required to be installed in the basement of a majorrepair garage The two NFPA 30A sections on basements relate more to the application of the requirements in NFPA5000 and IBC than to the requirements in NFPA 30 ldquoFlammable and Combustible Liquids Coderdquo As I have notedabove during the development of the NFPA 5000 Building Code the NFPA 30A Committee was very careful tocorrelate its requirements with NFPA 5000 NFPA 101 amp IBC so that there would be minimum conflicts in theapplication of the requirements of NFPA 30A with these other Codes that greatly impact the design and construction ofMotor Fuel Dispensing Facilities and Repair Garages The definition of ldquobasementrdquo is critically important forbuilding design and should be correlated with the building codes used throughout the US and we should not use adifferent definition for basement that would cause confusion and cost in the design and application of the NFPA 30Arequirements where NFPA 5000 NFPA 101 or IBC Codes are also adopted

I have also included the addition of the definitions of ldquoFirst Story Above Grade Planerdquo ldquoStoryrdquo ldquoGrade Planerdquo andldquoFinished Ground Level (Grade)rdquo from NFPA 5000 to provide complete correlation on these building definitions withNFPA 5000 and the IBC For individuals using NFPA 30A that are only used to working with NFPA 30 these definitions

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Report on Comments ndash June 2011 NFPA 30Amay seem like overkill but to the great majority of code officials designers and owners of these types of dispensingfacilities and repair garages correlation of these terms with NFPA 5000 and IBC are critical to prevent major conflictsdelays and cost increases in interpretations and applications of code requirements between the building departmentsand fire departments

In summation based on the two sections in NFPA 30A that cover a ldquobasementrdquo requirement it serves the public interestbetter to use the ldquobasementrdquo definition and its related building definitions from NFPA 5000 to properly correlate with themodel buildings codes not NFPA 30

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Report on Comments ndash June 2011 NFPA 30A_______________________________________________________________________________________________30A- Log 1

_______________________________________________________________________________________________Alex Ralston Petcon Inc

NARevise text to read as follows

Means shall be provided to sound an audible alarm when the liquid level in the tank reaches 90 percent of capacityMeans shall also be provided either to automatically stop the flow of liquid into the tank when the liquid level reaches 98percent capacity or to restrict the flow of liquid into the tank to a maximum flow rate of 95L min (25 gpm) when theliquid level in the tank reaches 95 percent capacityThe federal underground storage tank rules state that means shall be provided to stop the flow of liquid into the tank

when the liquid reaches 95 percent capacity or restrict the flow into the tank when the liquid level reaches 90 percentcapacity

None given

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_______________________________________________________________________________________________Alex Ralston Petcon Inc

NARevise text to read as follows

On remote pressure pumping systems each pump shall have installed on the discharge side a listed leak detectiondevice that will provide an audible or visible indication if the piping and dispensing devices are not liquid tight Replace with device that will either restrict the flow of product to the dispenser or shut-off the flow of product to

indicate if the piping and dispensing devices are liquid tightThe explanation attempts to explain the federal underground storage tank regulations however the

regulation that provides for an audible or visible alarm relates to overfill prevention in federal regulations not leakdetectionThe regulations on leak detection for pressurized piping in the explanation are correct but if youll note nowhere in the

explanation is audible or visual alarms mentioned

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Report on Comments ndash June 2011 NFPA 30A_______________________________________________________________________________________________30A- Log 8

_______________________________________________________________________________________________Robert Bourke Northeastern Regional Fire Code Development Committee

30A-42Revise to read 623 Fuel-dispensing systems including dispensers hoses nozzleshelliphelliphellip

blended motor fuels shall be listed or approved for the specific purposeThis requirement should only be stating that the equipment is listed for the specific purpose

ldquoApprovedrdquo by definition means ldquoacceptable to the AHJrdquoToo often a Standard may misuse the word ldquoapprovedrdquo in order to not exclude other listing organizations that publish

its list in a document that they refer to as an ldquoApproval Guiderdquo Regardless the document is still a listing

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Report on Comments ndash June 2011 NFPA 30A_______________________________________________________________________________________________30A- Log 3

_______________________________________________________________________________________________David B Wechsler The Dow Chemical Company

30A-34Revise and add new sentences shown under 831 and A831 and modify Table 831 as

indicated831 Table 831 shall be used to delineate and classify areas for the purposes of installing electrical wiring and

electrical utilization equipment (See also Figure 831) WARNING The US National Electrical Code has differentequipment and installation requirements from other International Standards Therefore for example equipment used inEurope may not be acceptable for installation in the USA831 The designation and decision installation and use of electrical equipment for Classes and Divisions in

hazardous (classified) locations are defined Article 500 501 and 504 of NFPA 70 National Electrical Code Thedesignation and design installation and use of electrical equipment for Classes and Zones in hazardous (classified)locations are defined in Article 505 and 504 of NFPA 70 National Electrical Code The designation and designinstallation and use of electrical equipment in lsquoZonesrsquo Zone 0 Zone 1 and Zone 2 are addressed in other internationalstandardsWithin Table 831 add a new column titled ldquoZones and copy the information from the Class I Zone column into this

new columnAlternatively to all of the above remove the ldquoZonesrdquo column completely from Table 831

While the stated intent of this proposal is understood as being to try and deal with the internationalnature of applying NFPA 30A there are problems with the approach presented by a simple extraction from the NECFirst as presented the new column only addresses the US Zone methodology The US Zone methodology for

flammable vapor gases liquids and combustible vapors and liquids is identified by the terms lsquoClass I Zone 0rsquo lsquoClass IZone 1rsquo and lsquoClass I Zone 2rsquo However under the IEC or ATEX (aka Europe International) the terms are simply lsquoZone0rsquo lsquoZone 1rsquo or lsquoZone 2rsquo Therefore the table revision is not correct for international useSecond this TIA and proposal was to lsquoincorporate the (European) Zone System of designating hazardous (classified)

locations and the allowable wiring methods and electrical utilization devices that can be used in themrsquo However the USNEC is not an international code Thus while the US NEC Article 505 does permit the use of the Class I Zonemethodology adding this column in NFPA 30A does not address the more complex nature of the design and installationproblems associated with Zone certified equipment in the US The NEC under Article 5059 Equipment provides for theuse of only AEx equipment as may be seen for example under paragraph ldquo(2) Zone Equipment Equipment meeting oneor more of the protection techniques described in 5058 shall be marked with all of the following in the order shown(1) Class(2) Zone(3) Symbol ldquoAExrdquo(4) Protection technique(s) in accordance with Table 5059(C)(2)(4)(5) Applicable gas classification group(s) in accordance with Table 9(C)(1)(2)Without adding additional text usersinspectors etc may think using Zones is just like using the Division methodology

This is not true and equipment not otherwise permitted under the US NEC may be installed because of the impliedactions currently reflected in this proposal This is a significant issue

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Report on Comments ndash June 2011 NFPA 30A_______________________________________________________________________________________________30A- Log 9

_______________________________________________________________________________________________Donald R Offerdahl North Dakota State Electrical Board

30A-36Insert figure for 831(B)

Insert Artwork Figure 831(A) and 831(B) Here

Proposal 30A-36 should have been accepted in principal these types of storage tanks and dispensersare widely used in farms construction sites and business fleet operations

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Report on Comments ndash June 2011 NFPA 30A_______________________________________________________________________________________________30A- Log 5

_______________________________________________________________________________________________Mindy Wang Ampco Safety Tools

30A-39Not proposing new text Please see comment in Substantiation

Although procedures for cleanup of spills is not within the scope of NFPA 30A we feel compelled toaddress API 2214 referenced by the Committee Information presented below shows API 2214 is misleading andundermines safe work practices In fact API 2214 conflicts with OSHA regulations Accredited Standards Developerrsquosstandards and safe work practices FM Approvals LLC formerly Factory Mutual Research Corporation (FM) is an international organization recognized

by the US government as a Nationally Recognized Testing Laboratory (NRTL) for scientific research and productcertification Product approval from a NRTL assures that products meet consensus-based standards of safety to providethe assurance required by OSHA that these products are safe for use in the United States workplace FM ApprovalStandard 7910 Spark Resistant Tools is used as guidance to evaluate tools intended for use in environments wherethere is a risk of ignition of flammable materials dusts or vapors resulting from sparks created by iron and steel handtools These tools prevent the ignition of flammable materials dusts or vapors by mechanical sparks created by the useof iron and steel hand tools slipping or striking a surface American Petroleum Institute (API) Publication 2214contradicts NRTL research and product certification as evidence in FM Approvals granted for spark resistance toolsFM has conducted tests of Ampco Safety Tools as covered in Report Job Identification No IN4A0AF in accordancewith the requirements of Safety Tools Approval Test Procedure Class 7910 and test results show

Sparks created from steel plates ignited carbon disulfide saturated pads eight of eight tests ethyl ether pads fiveof eight tests and naphtha VMampP four of eight tests

No sparks were observed and no ignition of the flammable liquids mentioned above from approved Ampco SafetyTools Other investigations also contradict APIrsquos conclusion on non-sparking tools A paper published in the Fire Protection

Journal ldquoThe Danger of Incendive Sparksrdquo stated that after APIrsquos conclusion on ldquonon-sparkingrdquo tools Institute ofPetroleum sought the advice of the Fire Research Board Committee on Industrial Fires and Explosion This committeecame to certain conclusions one of which was ldquoUntilhellipevidence is obtained to show that the impact of steel hand toolson steel is safe it is advisable to use non-sparking tools in situations where flammable atmospheres are unavoidablerdquo The NFPA Fire Protection Handbook 20th edition published in January 2008 does not support the conclusion that

API 2214 represents In fact many NFPA codes the use of ldquonon-sparkingrdquo tools in flammable atmospheresAccording to NFPA Fire Protection Handbook ldquoWhen flammable and combustible liquids are stored or handled theliquid is usually exposed to the air at some stage in the operation except where the storage is confined to sealedcontainers that are not filled or opened on the premises or where handling is in closed systems and vapor losses arerecovered Even when the storage or handling is in a closed system there is always the possibility of breaks or leakswhich permit the liquid to escape It is a to eliminate sources of ignition in places where low flashpointflammable liquids are stored handled or used even though no vapor may ordinarily be presentrdquo NFPA 921 Guide for Fire and Explosion Investigations 2008 Edition Chapter 5 Basic Fire Science Table 5711

Reported Burning and Sparking Temperature of Selected Ignition Sources under Mechanical Sparks lists a Steel tooltemperature at 2550degF When working with flammable gases liquids or vapors a potential hazard arises because of thepossibility that sparks produced by steel or iron tools can become an ignition source OSHA Flammable and Combustible Liquids regulation 29 CFR Parts 1910106(b) on tank storage paragraph

1910106(b)(6) states that precaution shall be taken to eliminate or control sources of ignitions including frictional heatand mechanical sparks to prevent the ignition of flammable vapors In OSHA regulation 29 CFR 1910146 Permit-Required Confined Spaces Appendix D Confined Space Pre-Entry

Check List non-sparking tool is listed as one type of entry equipment OSHA 29 CFR 1910146 StandardInterpretations Interpretative guidance and equipment approved for hazardous locations relative to the Permit-RequiredConfined Spaces states that ldquohellipthe standard does not prohibit entry into a permit space where a hazardous flammableatmosphere is at or above the 10 LFL For concentrations at or above 10 LFL paragraph (d) would theemployer to incorporate safe work procedures to address the flammableexplosive hazard (such as equipment approvedfor hazardous locations) in the entry plan for those spaces Electrical equipment as well as other sources of ignition(non-sparking hand tools) be considered and addressed for the hazardous atmosphererdquo OSHA regulation 29 CFR Parts 1910120 Hazardous waste operations and emergency response paragraph

1910120(j)(2)(v) requires that ldquoWhen there is a reasonable possibility of flammable atmospheres being present

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Report on Comments ndash June 2011 NFPA 30Amaterial handling equipment and hand tools shall be of the type to prevent sources of ignition EPA has identifiedsolvents such as xylene acetone ethyl acetate ethyl benzene and ethyl ether commonly used in all industries (theF-list) and discarded commercial chemical products such as acetone benzene ethyl ether and xylene (the P-list andU-list) as ignitable hazardous wastes API members such as ExxonMobil and Chevron as well as others in the petroleum industry such as Valero CITGO

Petroleum Corporation Chem-Supply Pty Ltd Irving Oil Ltd Petrol Star Inc Nova Chemicals and El Paso Corporationregularly the use of ldquonon-sparkingrdquo tools under Accidental Release Measures and Handling and Storage sectionsin the MSDSrsquos for their petroleum products These companies clearly recognize the need for ldquonon-sparkingrdquo tools inworking with and around flammable materials API 2214 Section 12 Background ldquohellipthese engineers pointed out that although numerous opportunities existed for

the production of sparks from violent contact of steel objects with other steel objects there was a negligible record offires resulting from such a causerdquo On the contrary there are a number of documented incidents involving flammablevapors ignited by steel sparks from tools A few examples are as follows

OSHA inspection 300965795 an employee in the process of cleaning loose material from drill piping with ametal hammer While striking the pipe with a hammer an explosion occurred Employee was killed in the explosion onsite

OSHA inspection 2272953 two employees were assigned the job of tending a 100 gallon (water jacket) reactorkettle of methyl methacrylate in the mixing room Employee 1 used a metal wrench (visegrips) to pry open the cover ofa kettle The wrench handle struck the angle iron support for the agitator motor producing a spark Employee 2noticed the spark which was immediately followed by a massive ldquofire ballrdquo Both employees were engulfed in thefireball Employee 3 came to the area to assist the other employees The investigation states that non-sparking toolswere not provided for the employees All three employees received first and second degree burns on their face armsand abdomen Employee 2 also received some third degree burns All three employees were hospitalized

OSHA inspection 124728437 Employee 1 and a coworker both maintenance mechanics were working in a 30inch by 36 inch manhole at a gas station Employee 1 was trying to change a fuel pump while the coworker watchedfrom outside the manhole Employee 1 was using an Allen wrench to loosen the bolts on the fuel pump lead when hecreated a spark that ignited the gas fumes in the manhole causing an explosion Employee 1 suffered burns to hisface hands arms and legs in the explosion and was hospitalized

OSHA inspection 111109237 Employee 1 or 3 attempted to cut a metal pipe with a metal saw whileEmployee 2 was standing on top of one of two 5000 gallon gas tanks trying to remove a tank fitting Sparks from thesaw the pipe wrench or another unknown source ignited the gas vapors which exploded Employees 1 and 3 werekilled of burns at the scene Employee 2 died at the burn center as a result of burns sustained in the explosion

OSHA inspection 102826625 Employee 1 worked for a company that cleans paints and replaces valves in LPand MAPP gas cylinders Before removing an old valve Employee 1 would open the valve to let the residual gas leakout on the loading dock Where there was a large quantity of cylinders Employee 1 would invert the cylinder so theresidual gas could vent faster Employee 1 had an accumulation of a gas and air mixture around his work area Thevapors were ignited either by a spark from the metal screwdriver he was using to open a damaged valve or by an openflame burner approximately 40 feet away There was a fire and explosion The employee sustained 2nd and 3rd degreeburns on the lower half of his body and was hospitalized

OSHA inspection 607366 an employee was sawing an airplane wing into sections with a portable powered handsaw the saw created a spark that caused an explosion of gasoline vapors in the wing fuel tank Employee 1 killed andEmployee 2 injured in explosion and was hospitalized

OSHA inspection 309178523 employer was cited for violating Section 5(a)(1) of the Occupational Safety andHealth Act of 1970 often referred to as the General Duty Clause which requires employers to furnish to each of hisemployees employment and a place of employment which are free from recognized hazards that are causing or arelikely to cause death or serious physical harm to his employees for exposing employee to an explosion hazard byopening the hydrogen tube trailer main valve without using non-sparking tools

OSHA inspection 304994304 employer was cited for violating Section 5(a)(1) of the Occupational Safety andHealth Act of 1970 violation for exposing employee to a fireexplosion hazard while performing maintenance operationson LP gas tanks with ferrous tools One feasible and acceptable abatement method to correct this hazard is toimplement the use of non- sparking toolsThe Report of the BP US Refineries independent Safety Review Panel also known as the Baker Panel Report states

that ldquoPreventing process accidents requires vigilance The passing of time without a process accident is not necessarilyan indicator that all is well and may contribute to a dangerous and growing sense of complacencyrdquo This sample ofOSHA documented events illustrates accidents do happen when proper safety measures are not taken againstmechanical sparks from steel tools as a possible ignition sourceHaving said that we appreciate the Committeersquos time and agree with the Committee that procedures for cleanup of

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Report on Comments ndash June 2011 NFPA 30Aspills is not within the scope of NFPA 30A

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Report on Comments ndash June 2011 NFPA 30A_______________________________________________________________________________________________30A- Log 7

_______________________________________________________________________________________________Robert Bourke Northeastern Regional Fire Code Development Committee

30A-19Add a new section to read 11721 Where approved by the Authority Having Jurisdiction piers

that extend more than 152 m (500 ft) in travel distance from shore shall be permitted to provide a Class I standpipe thatis installed in accordance with NFPA 14 Standard for the Installation of Standpipe and Hose Systems

The TC missed the point in the substantiation of the proposalIt was not the intent of the proposal to obtain additional flexibility of FD use over that which is provided by a Class III

standpipe system The intent of the proposal was to provide relief from the requirement where the local AHJ feels thatthe effectiveness and likelihood of occupant use of fire hoses does not justify the added risk to the occupant or theinstallation and maintenance costs associated with the requisite hose for a Class III system A Class I system would stillprovide FD fire fighting capabilities in jurisdictions where the AHJ prefers occupants to evacuate and not attempt to fightfires beyond portable fire extinguisher capability

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From Benedetti BobTo bcotnerswriorgCc Harrington Greg Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiBcc May PaulSubject Inquiry NFPA 30 amp NFPA 30ADate Thursday July 08 2010 121900 PM

Good Morning Mr Cotner Greg Harrington asked that I respond to your question about the proper use ofintermediate bulk containers Actually an intermediate bulk container is a shipping vessel that must meetrequirements and specifications of the U S Department of Transportation for shippingmaterials from Point A to Point B It is not intended to be a storage vessel althoughthe liquid contained is obviously dispensed from the vessel for use Dispensing of motor fuels is covered by NFPA 30A Code for Motor Fuel DispensingFacilities and Repair Garages NFPA 30A states in Subsection 421 421 Liquids shall be stored in the following(1) Approved closed containers that do not exceed 227 L (60 gal) capacity and arelocated outside buildings(2) Tanks or approved closed containers located inside motor fuel dispensingfacilities or repair garages(3) Aboveground tanks underground tanks and containers in accordance with therequirements of Section 43(4) Tanks supplying marine service stations in accordance with Section 112 Section 43 states the following 432 Aboveground Storage Tanks Except as modified by the provisions of thissubsection aboveground storage tanks shall meet all applicable requirements ofChapters 21 through 23 and 27 of NFPA 30 Flammable and Combustible Liquids Code So in accordance with NFPA 30A Subsection 421(3) indicates that abovegroundstorage of motor fuel must be in a tank that meets the provisions of Section 43 Thelatter in turn references the Chapters in NFPA 30 that deal with fixed storage tanks Nowhere in these chapters is there any reference to an intermediate bulk container Chapter 9 of NFPA 30 does recognize an intermediate bulk container for warehouse-type storage of Class I flammable liquids but does not anticipate continual dispensingand use One could evaluate an intermediate bulk container as a means of long-term storageand dispensing of liquids under the Equivalency clause My opinion is that an intermediate bulk container is not considered a substitute for anaboveground storage tank but this is not specifically stated in the relevant codes This issue will be added to the agendas for the Technical Committees involved Please understand that this response is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 ofNFPArsquos Regulations Governing Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon todefinitively determine compliance with any laws ordinances rules or regulations Todetermine legal compliance you should refer to the appropriate authority havingjurisdiction or seek legal advice It is not intended nor should it be relied upon toprovide professional consultation or services To determine the adequacy or safety ofany device or installation you should consult with an appropriate professional

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I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write Iwill be happy to assist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant toNFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does notnecessarily represent the official position of the NFPA or its Technical Committees Inaddition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it be relied upon to provideprofessional consultation or services cc 30IFI 30AIFI AUVNM FLCSWCNM FLCTANNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

If you have a reported fire in your home the risk of dyingdecreases by about 80 percent when sprinklers are present

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From Harrington Greg Sent Wednesday July 07 2010 350 PMTo Benedetti BobSubject FW Intermediate Bulk Containers Hi Bob Can you answer the question below Hersquos a friend of mine former inspector with San Antonio FD when Iworked down there now a safety guy at SWRI Thanks a lot --Greg

From Bill Cotner [mailtobcotnerswriorg] Sent Wednesday July 07 2010 332 PMTo Harrington GregSubject Intermediate Bulk Containers Hey Greg howrsquos the heat in Boston here it is a balmy 93 enjoying it I have a question probably out ofyour area but Irsquom sure you know who to route it to We have a group here that wants to dispense fuelfrom a stainless steel IBC into test engines I donrsquot think that is the intended use or what it has beenlisted for Can I get some guidance on this issue I appreciate anything you can do for me Bill Bill CotnerSenior Fire SpecialistEnvironmental Safety and Quality SystemsSouthwest Research InstitutePhone (210) 522-5101Fax (210) 522-5093Mobile (210) 669-7005Email bcotner swriorg

From Benedetti BobTo Ebanks DesmondCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiBcc May PaulSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Monday June 14 2010 35400 PM

Good afternoon Mr Ebanks The intent of Subsection 422 of NFPA 30A Code for Motor Fuel Dispensing Facilities and RepairGarages is that there be no direct piped connection between the aboveground storage tank inthe bulk plant and the fuel dispensing device in the motor fuel dispensing facility In my opinionthis includes any intervening underground storage tank The hazard being addressed is the potential to overfill the underground storage tank due to thestatic head of the liquid in the aboveground storage tank Please understand that this response is a personal opinion and does not constitute a FormalInterpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 of NFPArsquos RegulationsGoverning Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitively determine compliancewith any laws ordinances rules or regulations To determine legal compliance you shouldrefer to the appropriate authority having jurisdiction or seek legal advice It is not intended norshould it be relied upon to provide professional consultation or services To determine theadequacy or safety of any device or installation you should consult with an appropriateprofessional I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will behappy to assist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPARegulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarilyrepresent the official position of the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition thiscorrespondence is neither intended nor should it be relied upon to provide professional consultation orservices cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg Attend the premier event for fire life safety and electrical professionals

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From Ebanks Desmond [mailtoDesmondEbanksgovky] Sent Monday May 24 2010 940 AMTo Benedetti BobSubject bulk storage supply to motor fuel facilities Hi Bob NFPA 30A (2003) 422 gives to positions in relation to motor fuel dispensing facilities (mfdf) that I would like to havefurther clarified for Code intent please The first is that dispensing devices at the mfdf shall not be supplied by ASTs located in the bulk plant Does this implythat supply from a UST (underground storage tank) in the bulk storage facility would be acceptable or to the other extentthat even if the bulk AST supplied a loading rack which in turn supplied a UST both in the bulk facility that supplyfrom the bulk AST is still not permitted The second statement refers to any storage tank at the mfdf saying they shall not be connected by piping to bulkfacility ASTs Similarly does this imply that a UST (underground storage tank) in the bulk storage facility would beacceptable or that if the bulk tank was connected to a loading rack and the loading rack connected by non-permanentmeans to an mfdf tank that this would be permissible RegardsDes EbanksAssistant Petroleum InspectorThe Petroleum InspectorateCayman Islands GovernmentAnderson Square 4th floorPO Box 31213Grand CaymanKY1-1205Cayman IslandsOffice 345 244 3458Mobile 345 925 3317Fax 345 949 0920Email desmondebanksgovky

From Benedetti BobTo Shriniwas BodhankarCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiBcc May PaulSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Monday June 14 2010 50100 PM

Good day Sir There has been no discussion by the Technical Committee on Automotive and Marine ServiceStations to alter the separation distances in Table 4324 of NFPA 30A Code for Motor FuelDispensing Facilities and Repair Garages as they pertain to liquid fuels including high flashpoint diesel fuels Also there have been no proposals to make such a change to NFPA 30A I trust this answers your question R P Benedetti cc -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

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From Shriniwas Bodhankar [mailtobodhankarenoccom] Sent Tuesday June 01 2010 536 AMTo Maynard Mary Benedetti BobSubject NFPA 30 A Dear sir Reference is made to table no 4324 of NFPA code 30A specifying the minimum distance between storagetanks and dispensing equipment A dispenser should be placed minimum 50 feet away from a bunded abovegroundsteel tank to meet this requirementIn our opinion this is too stringent and uncalled for in case of high flash diesel ( Flash point above 65 degreecentigrade) A bunded tank where spill can be contained within bund is as safe as a vaulted tankfire resistanttankprotected tank Therefore it is equally safe to install an approved dispensing device immediately outside thebund provided the vent of the tank is 4 meters above the grade level on which the dispensing device is installedVarious international oil companies like SHELL amp BP carry similar installations for their fleet customers of dieselMoreover there are standard skids being marketed in EUROPE (even for gasoline) which have storage tanks and

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dispensers on same skid and such an arrangement is accepted by ldquoAuthority Having Jurisdictionrdquo(AHJ)Kindly advise if this standard requirement is being reviewed or otherwise if based on performance based designsuch a requirement may be waived or considered as ldquo highly recommendedrdquo in the leastBased on your feedback we wish to discuss this with AHJ in UAE Regards Regards Shriniwas BodhankarSenior EHS Compliance Officer( Special Projects)Group EHSQ Compliance DepartmentEmirates National Oil Company Limited (ENOC) LLC ENOC House I PO Box 6442Dubai United Arab EmiratesDirect +971 4 313 4437Fax +971 4 313 4482bodhankarenoccom | wwwenoccom

This message together with any attachments contains confidential information and is intended only for the use of theaddressee(s) and may contain information which is covered by legal professional or other privilege If you are not theintended recipient please inform the sender immediately and delete this e-mail You should not copy this e-mail or use itfor any purpose nor disclose its contents to any other person ENOC does not warrant that this transmission is virus freeand will not be liable for any damages resulting from any virus ENOC Dubai UAE

From Benedetti BobTo EActonccfireusCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiBcc May PaulSubject Inquiry NFPA 30A amp NFPA 30Date Monday August 02 2010 44400 PMAttachments DSC06169JPG

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Good day Mr Acton Fire protection provisions for major and minor repair garages and ldquolube-onlyrdquofacilities which is the topic of your concern are provided in NFPA 30A Code for MotorFuel Dispensing Facilities and Repair Garages currently 2008 edition Chapter 5 ofNFPA 30A covers piping systems but its specific provisions focus on piping systemsbetween fuel storage tanks and fuel dispensers Chapter 5 also directly referencesChapter 27 of the 2008 edition of NFPA 30 Flammable and Combustible Liquids Code(successor to Chapter 5 of the 2003 edition) Subsection 527 of NFPA 30A allows piping made from low-melting point materials tobe installed in exposed areas but only in specific locations These are limited tocontainment sumps under dispensers containment sumps for underground fuelstorage tanks and sumps for below-grade piping connections Chapter 5 of NFPA 30Ais silent on piping inside buildings Therefore the user is left with the provisions ofChapter 27 of NFPA 30 NFPA 30 in turn does allow piping fabricated of low melting point materials to beused exposed outdoors or inside buildings with the following provisions ldquo27441 Such materials shall be permitted to be used outdoors above ground orinside buildings provided they meet one of the following conditions (1) They are resistant to damage by fire(2) They are located so that any leakage resulting from failure will not exposepersons important buildings or structures(3) They are located where leakage can be controlled by operation of one or moreaccessible remotely located valvesrdquo Regardless of the material of construction of the piping and components the followinggeneral requirement from Chapter 27 of NFPA 30 always applies ldquo273 General Requirements2731 Performance Standards The design fabrication assembly test and inspectionof piping systems shall be suitable for the working pressures and structural stresses tobe encountered by the piping system Compliance with applicable sections of ASMEB31 Code for Pressure Piping and the provisions of this chapter shall be consideredprima facie evidence of compliance with the foregoing provisions2732 Tightness of Piping Piping systems shall be maintained liquidtight A pipingsystem that has leaks that constitute a hazard shall be emptied of liquid or repaired ina manner acceptable to the authority having jurisdictionrdquo Your interpretation of Subsection 511 of the 2003 edition of NFPA 30 (2711 in the2008 edition) is correct the chapter applies to any piping system that handles aflammable or combustible liquid regardless of pressure Likewise you are correct thatthe piping system must meet the provisions of ASME B31 for the material chosen andthe anticipated operating pressures and temperatures (531 in the 2003 edition 2741 in the 2008 edition) However low melting point materials (aluminum copperbrass and polymeric materials) are allowed under the provisions of Subsection 534(2003 edition) and 2744 (2008 edition) What must be determined is does thepiping system comply with one of the conditions stated in 27441 as stated above

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Please understand that this response is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 ofNFPArsquos Regulations Governing Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon todefinitively determine compliance with any laws ordinances rules or regulations Todetermine legal compliance you should refer to the appropriate authority havingjurisdiction or seek legal advice It is not intended nor should it be relied upon toprovide professional consultation or services To determine the adequacy or safety ofany device or installation you should consult with an appropriate professional I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write Iwill be happy to assist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant toNFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does notnecessarily represent the official position of the NFPA or its Technical Committees Inaddition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it be relied upon to provideprofessional consultation or services cc 30IFI 30AIFI AUVNM FLCTANNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

If you have a reported fire in your home the risk of dyingdecreases by about 80 percent when sprinklers are present

wwwfiresprinklerinitiativeorgNotice The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intendedfor the exclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential andor privileged information If you arenot the intended recipient please notify Robert Benedetti immediately by replying to the message or by calling(617) 984-7433 Please delete this message and any attachments from your system Thank you

From Eric Acton [mailtoEActonccfireus] Sent Monday July 19 2010 636 PMTo Benedetti BobSubject InterpretationOpinion request

Good day My name is Eric Acton I am the Fire Marshal for Campbell CountyWyoming and Irsquom employed by Campbell County Fire Department My NFPA

membership number is 2755369 My mailing and email addresses are listed below I am in need of a technical opinion regarding 2003 NFPA 30 Chapter 5 or morecurrently 2008 NFPA 30A Chapter 5 Some brief project backgroundAn owner within my jurisdiction has built a commercial lube-oil center to servicecustomersrsquo vehicles A ldquopitrdquo exists below the service bay to allow workers to drainthe oil from the vehicle then workers on the main floor refill the oil by use ofpressurized nozzles Several motor oil storage tanks are located in the pitaccounting for several brands and viscosities of oil The tanks are designed to befilled by use of a piping system which extends from an exterior connection vault toeach of the storage tanks using gravity to move the product in the fill-pipingsystem The material the owner chose to construct the fill-piping system wasldquostandardrdquo 1-12rdquo Schedule 40 PVC and Parker Series 7094 Electrically Non-Conductive rubber hose The piping system is exposed it is not underground nor isit protected from flame by means of a fire-rated chase Having identified the use of combustible liquids in this occupancy I utilized 2006International Fire Code (as adopted by my jurisdiction) Chapter 34 Flammable andCombustible Liquids to review and inspect the project IFC Section 340362referred me to NFPA 30 Chapter 5 for the construction materials to use where Iinterpreted (2003 version) 30511 to mean that the piping system components (pipetubing flanges bolting gaskets valves fittingshellip) must meet the requirementsregardless of pressure And that the following components specified in theparagraph must meet the requirements ONLY if they contained pressure ndashhelliprdquoexpansion joints and strainers and devices such thathelliprdquo I further interpreted(2003 version) 30531 Material Specifications similarly in that the ldquoPipe valvesfaucets couplingshelliprdquo must meet the requirements regardless of pressure while ldquohellipother pressure-containing partshelliprdquo meant ONLY the other parts that containedpressure Verbatim to 30511 is encountered in 2008 NFPA 30A Chapter 5paragraph 51 Scope The owner states his piping complies with the standard cited because it is gravity-fed hence no ldquopressurerdquo is seen by the piping components I maintain that thepiping system shall consist of metal pipe (or another material meeting therequirements of ASME B31 as allowed by 2003 NFPA 30531) to comply with NFPA30 and IFC Some assistance to resolve this problem is greatly appreciated I have attachedsome photographs for clarification Thanks for your attentionEric

Eric ActonFire MarshalCampbell County Fire Department 106 Rohan Avenue Gillette WY 82716 (307) 682-5319 ext 8912(307) 686-2222 Fax(307) 680-9612 Cell

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From Benedetti BobTo Howard Jim (Woodbridge)Cc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiBcc May PaulSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Monday June 28 2010 115100 AM

Good morning Mr Howard First I appreciate your patience with me while I reviewed the information sent to meby yourself and Mr Luby of Veeder-Root I wanted to ensure that I thoroughlyunderstood how the system functions in its line leak detection mode My understanding of the arrangement of the piping system from the pair ofunderground storage tanks is that the electronic line leak detector the PLLD tests thesupply piping from the two submersible pumps to the dispensers as a single system This includes the direct piping run from the master pump to the dispensers AND thepiping that connects the slave pump to the direct piping run The intent of Subsection 642 of the 2008 edition of NFPA 30A Code for Motor FuelDispensing Facilities and Repair Garages is to ensure that some type of leak detectiondevice monitors the piping from the submersible pump to the dispensers in such amanner that a leak in the piping leading to the dispensers or in the dispensersthemselves is detected and notification of a leak given Since the two pumps act intandem and since the entire piping system from the pumps to the dispensers ismonitored my personal opinion is that the intent of Subsection 642 is met andevaluation of the system described as being equivalent to what is required bySubsection 642 is reasonable Whether the system described meets the criteria of Section 15 Equivalency of NFPA30A must be determined by the authority having jurisdiction As NFPA Staff Liaison forNFPA 30A I cannot make such a determination under NFPArsquos Regulations GoverningCommittee Projects Please understand that this response is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 ofNFPArsquos Regulations Governing Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon todefinitively determine compliance with any laws ordinances rules or regulations Todetermine legal compliance you should refer to the appropriate authority havingjurisdiction or seek legal advice It is not intended nor should it be relied upon toprovide professional consultation or services To determine the adequacy or safety ofany device or installation you should consult with an appropriate professional I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write Iwill be happy to assist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant toNFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does notnecessarily represent the official position of the NFPA or its Technical Committees Inaddition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it be relied upon to provideprofessional consultation or services cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids Engineer

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National Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

If you have a reported fire in your home the risk of dyingdecreases by about 80 percent when sprinklers are present

wwwfiresprinklerinitiativeorgNotice The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intendedfor the exclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential andor privileged information If you arenot the intended recipient please notify Robert Benedetti immediately by replying to the message or by calling(617) 984-7433 Please delete this message and any attachments from your system Thank you

From Howard Jim (Woodbridge) [mailtoJHowardhesscom] Sent Monday June 14 2010 1144 AMTo Benedetti BobCc Howard Jim (Woodbridge) Bob Luby Subject Importance High Bob It was a pleasure talking to you this morning regarding the Line Leak Detection applicationin place at Hess Station 08501 - Milltown DE (drawing attached) as well as several thousandlocations worldwide Here is some background information on this installation

Site had 3 - 10000 gallon gasoline tanks 1 - 10000 Regular (87) 1 - 10000 Plus (89) 1 - 10000 Premium (93) prior to our Dispenser Replacement Project Because of theoverwhelming demand for Regular gasoline (887 in 2009) we converted the existingPlus tank to additional Regular storageDispensers were replaced with new Blend Dispensers Tanks were not manifoldedRegular and former-Plus product lines were manifolded at each dispenserWe installed Veeder-Root PLLDs (Electronic Line Leak Detectors) on the Regular 1and Premium STPs We installed a non-vented Swift Check on Regular 2 (formerPlus) STP Because the PLLD is vented we MUST install a non-vented swift check onRegular STP 2 in order to test the system as a wholeWe have demonstrated via post-construction testing that the system will pick up a 3gph leak

The State of DE has questioned our compliance with NFPA 30A 642 Each pump shallhave installed on the discharge side a listed leak detection device that will provide an audibleor visible indication if the piping or a dispenser is leaking Each leak-detecting device shallbe checked and tested at least annually according to the manufacturers specifications toensure proper installation and operation

Can you comment on whether the system shown on the attached and described above and onour call meets the NFPA requirement or if it meets the definition of Equivalency as definedin Chapter 15 - Equivalency Thank you in advance for your consideration in this matter Please do not hesitate to contactme if there are any questions or concerns on this application ThanksJim Howard RFMPManager Maintenance amp UST ComplianceHess Corporation732-750-6220 (office)800-903-4801 (Emergency Hotline)E-mail UST Inspections to USTCompliancehesscomFax UST Inspections to 866-435-6744

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From Benedetti BobTo Gary KostalCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiBcc May PaulSubject Inquiry NFPA 30 NFPA 30ADate Tuesday August 10 2010 43200 PM

Good afternoon Mr Kostal There are no provisions in NFPA 30 Flammable and Combustible Liquids Code togovern dispensing of motor fuels into motorized equipment and the devices youdescribe are not mentioned at all in NFPA 30 or in the only other related NFPAdocument that might apply NFPA 30A Code for Motor Fuel Dispensing Facilities andRepair Garages I cannot say that these units are either allowed or disallowed because neither NFPA30 nor NFPA 30A speaks about them The only provisions that might apply are the quantity limitations established in thesetwo codes depending on which code applies If the maintenance building is considered an industrial occupancy then Chapter 9 ofNFPA 30 establishes a maximum allowable quantity for of 120 gallons for Class Iliquids (The maximum allowable quantity is actually a threshold value Up to theMAQ compliance with NFPA 30 is not required above it NFPA 30 applies) If the maintenance building is considered a repair garage then NFPA 30A takesprecedence It also sets a 120 gallon limit on the maximum quantity of Class I liquid In both cases the quantity of fuel involved is 50 percent of the maximum allowed Myopinion is that there is no violation of either NFPA 30 or NFPA 30A Please understand that this response is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 ofNFPArsquos Regulations Governing Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon todefinitively determine compliance with any laws ordinances rules or regulations Todetermine legal compliance you should refer to the appropriate authority havingjurisdiction or seek legal advice It is not intended nor should it be relied upon toprovide professional consultation or services To determine the adequacy or safety ofany device or installation you should consult with an appropriate professional I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write Iwill be happy to assist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant toNFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does notnecessarily represent the official position of the NFPA or its Technical Committees Inaddition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it be relied upon to provideprofessional consultation or services cc 30IFI 30AIFI-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch Park

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From Gary Kostal [mailtogarykbloomingdalefirecom] Sent Monday August 09 2010 328 PMTo Benedetti BobSubject Looking for assistance - portable gas caddies Membership 2329840 Gary KostalFire Prevention DirectorBloomingdale Fire District Question (Non-formal opinion) I have a country club where they service a very large number of lawn maintenance equipment on a dailybasis They are utilizing a portable gas container (gas caddy) that holds approximately 30 gallons ofgasoline The unit is equipped with a hand style pump which is located on the top of the tank Fuel isdispensed from this tank as you crank the pump There are no nozzles located on the hose These gascaddies are being used inside their maintenance building which is fully fire sprinkled They are presentlyusing two of these devices inside the same building which is basically one days use

My question is are these devices allowed for this type of dispensing Are they required to be equippedwith a self closing nozzle What NFPA sections would apply to this particular type of device Thank you for your assistance in this matter

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From Benedetti BobTo SheldonSchallWisconsingovCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Wednesday September 30 2009 45929 PM

Good afternoon Sheldon I will here provide more detailed answers to your questions as posed in the email you sent to me today Section 30A-4323 limits tank storage capacity for Class I and II No limit for Class IIIA or IIIB

You are correct The intent of 4323 is to limit the capacities only of those tanks that storeClass I and II liquids Recall that when NFPA 30A initially allowed aboveground storage tanks atvehicle fueling sites biofuels were not in the picture just gasoline (Class I) and diesel fuel (ClassII) The Technical Committee at the time did not conceive that there would be the need to storeClass III fuels because there werenrsquot any The bottom line NFPA 30A does not limit the capacityof an aboveground storage tank that holds a motor fuel that is a Class III liquid

Section 30A-4324 refers to setbacks in Table 4324 No indication that these setbacks are specific toor exclude any class of flammable or combustible so it appears that the setbacks apply to Class I -Class IIIB liquids This table appears to conflict with the previous section for Class IIIA amp IIIB liquids

This is again correct that the separation distances in Table 4324 are not specific to anyparticular Class of liquid There is no conflict however 4323 deals with tank capacities 4324 deals with separation distances for the tanks Since 4324 does not specify anyparticular liquid class(es) it applies to ALL liquid classes

Section 30A-4325 allows an increased capacity for Class II and III liquids at fleet facilities Thisappears to conflict with section 4323 for Class III liquids which didnt have a capacity limit to startwith

Here there is a conflict or at least a serious inconsistency This provision was added one or twoeditions after 4323 and it appears that biofuels are beginning to be recognized It also appearsthat the intent here was to allow a relaxation of one limit in favor of a more liberal one Theproblem is the original limit doesnrsquot exist making it arguable that the application of 4325 toClass III liquids is meaningless Given the obvious intent here for some limit on Class III liquidfuels 4323 should be amended to include Class IIIs

Section 30A-4327 addresses dispensing from an aboveground tank for Class I and II liquids based uponspecific conditions

Paragraph 4322 is a hold-over dating back to when service stations were covered in Chapter 7of the old versions of NFPA 30 This set of requirements should also be amended to include ClassIIIs

Section 30A-4328 refers to NFPA 30-2171 for spill and overfill This section only applies to class Iand II liquids

While it is true that Subsection 2171 of NFPA 30 only applies to Classes I and II I do not believeit is a conflict for NFPA 30A to also apply it to Class III as well if the Technical Committee it isappropriate to do so However the language needs to be improved or an Annex item should beadded to explain the extrapolation and the reason for it

I will add this to the next meetingrsquos agenda for the Technical Committee on Automotive and MarineService Stations As usual the following applies Please understand that this response to your inquiry is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 of NFPArsquos RegulationsGoverning Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitively determine compliance with anylaws ordinances rules or regulations To determine the adequacy or safety of any device or installationyou should consult with an appropriate professional To determine legal compliance you should refer tothe appropriate authority having jurisdiction or seek legal advice

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I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will be happy toassist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarily represent the official positionof the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it berelied upon to provide professional consultation or services cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

Fire Prevention Week is October 4 ndash 10 2009 Visit wwwfirepreventionweekorg or call 800-344-3555 for moreinformation NFPA Seminars - Apply the codes with confidenceRegister at wwwnfpalearnorg NFPA Membership keeps you up-to-dateVisit wwwnfpaorgjoin for more information Or call 800-344-3555Notice The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for theexclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential andor privileged information If you are not the intendedrecipient please notify Robert Benedetti immediately by replying to the message or by calling (617) 984-7433 Please deletethis message and any attachments from your system Thank you Considering the variables in the sections referenced above are the setbacks in Table 4324 intended toapply to Class IIIA andor Class IIIB liquids for public fueling

From Schall Sheldon - COMMERCE [mailtoSheldonSchallWisconsingov] Sent Wednesday September 30 2009 832 AMTo Benedetti BobSubject NFPA 30A-4324 inquiry - URGENT Section 30A-4323 limits tank storage capacity for Class I and II No limit for Class IIIA or IIIB trueSection 30A-4324 refers to setbacks in Table 4324 No indication that these setbacks are specific toor exclude any class of flammable or combustible so it appears that the setbacks apply to Class I -Class IIIB liquids This table appears to conflict with the previous section for Class IIIA amp IIIB liquids Also trueSection 30A-4325 allows an increased capacity for Class II and III liquids at fleet facilities Thisappears to conflict with section 4323 for Class III liquids which didnt have a capacity limit to startwith Either one or the other needs to changeSection 30A-4327 addresses dispensing from an aboveground tank for Class I and II liquids based uponspecific conditions Need to cover IIIBSection 30A-4328 refers to NFPA 30-2171 for spill and overfill This section only applies to class Iand II liquids Class IIIs need to be specifically addressed Considering the variables in the sections referenced above are the setbacks in Table 4324 intended toapply to Class IIIA andor Class IIIB liquids for public fueling

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From Benedetti BobTo Bill HickmanCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Monday December 14 2009 50332 PM

Good afternoon Mr Hickman To answer your question the separation distances in Table 4324 of NFPA 30A Code for MotorFuel Dispensing Facilities and Repair Garages are intended to apply to outside abovegroundstorage tanks for fuel where such is allowed The tanks inside a service station building majorrepair garage or minor repair garage would likely be handling Class IIIB liquids (flash point gt200 degF) only in accordance with Subsection 4392 of NFPA 30A Subsection 4392 does not set any specific requirements for separation between tanks inside abuilding although it does refer back to Chapters 21 through 23 of NFPA 30 Flammable andCombustible Liquids Code Shell-to-shell spacing distances for aboveground tanks areestablished in Table 22421 Table 22421 is intended for much large tanks than one wouldfind in a repair garage or ldquolube-onlyrdquo facility For example the minimum separation for tanksstoring Class IIIB liquids is 3 feet as set forth in 224212 But again the separationdistances in Chapter 22 of NFPA 30 are intended for tank farm application not for the muchsmaller tanks found in the type of occupancy governed by NFPA 30A Also any facility meeting the requirements of NFPA 30A is considered to be in compliance withNFPA 30 Please understand that this response to your inquiry is a personal opinion and does notconstitute a Formal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 ofNFPArsquos Regulations Governing Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitivelydetermine compliance with any laws ordinances rules or regulations To determine theadequacy or safety of any device or installation you should consult with an appropriateprofessional To determine legal compliance you should refer to the appropriate authorityhaving jurisdiction or seek legal advice I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will behappy to assist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPARegulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarilyrepresent the official position of the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition thiscorrespondence is neither intended nor should it be relied upon to provide professional consultation orservices cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg If you have a reported fire in your home the risk of dyingdecreases by about 80 percent when sprinklers are present

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From Bill Hickman [mailtoBillHickmanstatecous] Sent Tuesday December 01 2009 939 AMTo Benedetti BobSubject Inquiry NFPA 30A - Storage of Liquids Inside Buildings Mr Benedetti Id appreciate your interpretation on an item regarding aboveground tanks storing lubricants (newused oil) inside abuilding at a repair garage NFPA 30A 439 does not include specific spacing requirements for tanks inside buildings Where there are multiple tanks being stored inside the building is there no minimum separation distance requirementthat must be met or do the requirements of Table 4324 apply Thank you in advance for your assistance __________________________________ Bill HickmanInspectorTechnical SpecialistCO Division of Oil amp Public Safety303-378-5090

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From Benedetti BobTo Peznowski EdwardCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Thursday September 03 2009 30455 PM

Hi Ed The 1996 edition of the Flammable and Combustible Liquids Code Handbook was the last one prior to thecurrent 2008 edition The commentary hasnrsquot changed My recollection of the development of this text is that the intent of NFPA 30A Code for Motor FuelDispensing Facilities and Repair Garages is to isolate the motor fuel dispensing area and its attendanthazard completely from the rest of the structure regardless of what else might be in the structure Subsection 524 assumes that the installation involves a motor fuel dispensing operation inside abuilding where you would not expect to have same such as an office building A bus repair facility wouldbe probably classed as a major repair garage and would be expected to have fueling operations Thehazard of this is in my opinion no greater than the repair operations It could be that the language in Subsection 524 needs to be clarified so that it applies only to situationssuch as I first described Please understand that this response to your inquiry is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 of NFPArsquos RegulationsGoverning Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitively determine compliance with anylaws ordinances rules or regulations To determine the adequacy or safety of any device or installationyou should consult with an appropriate professional To determine legal compliance you should refer tothe appropriate authority having jurisdiction or seek legal advice I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will be happy toassist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarily represent the official positionof the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it berelied upon to provide professional consultation or services cc 30AIFI 30AFAQ AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

Fire Prevention Week is October 4 ndash 10 2009 Visit wwwfirepreventionweekorg or call 800-344-3555 for moreinformation NFPA Seminars - Apply the codes with confidenceRegister at wwwnfpalearnorg NFPA Membership keeps you up-to-dateVisit wwwnfpaorgjoin for more information Or call 800-344-3555Notice The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for the

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exclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential andor privileged information If you are not the intendedrecipient please notify Robert Benedetti immediately by replying to the message or by calling (617) 984-7433 Please deletethis message and any attachments from your system Thank you

From Peznowski Edward [mailtoEdwardPeznowskipostatectus] Sent Monday August 31 2009 127 PMTo Benedetti BobSubject NFPA 30A Hi Bob Sorry to bother you but I need your help and interpretation of the following section of NFPA 30A 2000edition 524 - All piping inside buildings but outside the motor fuel dispensing area shall be enclosed within ahorizontal chase or a vertical shaft used only for this piping Vertical shafts and horizontal chases shall beconstructed of materials having a fire resistance rating of not less than 2 hours Bob I have a bus repair facility being built and we have fuel dispensing area within the building enclosedwith a 2hr fire resistive separation My question is I have diesel fuel piping coming from two tanks locatedoutside of the building the piping runs outside of the dispensing area does this piping need to be enclosed Ihave the proper UL listed system for through wall penetrations My problem lies here I have natural gas heating fuel oil lines for boilers and diesel fuel line for thegenerator all running through the area outside the 2 hour rated dispensing area which are not required to beenclosed My thought is within the 2 hour fire resistive construction I have storage rooms for grease and oil a office forfuel dispensing Any fuel piping running through these areas would be enclosed but once I go outside my 2hrrated enclosure the piping would not have to be enclosed NFPA 30A (1996edition)6-42 - All fuel and flammable vapor piping inside buildings but outside the service station area shall beenclosed within a horizontal chase or a vertical shaft used only for this piping Vertical shafts and horizontalchases shall be constructed of materials having a fire resistance rating of not less than 2 hoursCOMMENTARY 6-42 The intent of this requirement is to preserve the isolation of the service stationoperation from the rest of the building I donrsquot have the 2000 handbook for commentary Thanks Bob Edward J PeznowskiFire amp Life Safety SpecialistBureau of EngineeringOffice State Fire Marshal860-685-8350

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From Benedetti BobTo Hamilton James P (HOY)Cc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiSubject Inquiry NFPA 30A-2008Date Monday September 14 2009 115041 AM

Good morning Mr Hamilton The intent of this particular provision of Subsection 672 of NFPA 30A Code for Motor Fuel DispensingFacilities and Repair Garages is to ensure that the patron has access to a second disconnect if he or shecannot reach the primary disconnect ie the one that is between 20 and 100 feet from the dispenser In my opinion all of the emergency disconnects required by Section 67 must be at least 20 ft but normore than 100 ft from the nearest dispenser Please understand that this response to your inquiry is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 of NFPArsquos RegulationsGoverning Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitively determine compliance with anylaws ordinances rules or regulations To determine the adequacy or safety of any device or installationyou should consult with an appropriate professional To determine legal compliance you should refer tothe appropriate authority having jurisdiction or seek legal advice I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will be happy toassist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarily represent the official positionof the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it berelied upon to provide professional consultation or services cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

Fire Prevention Week is October 4 ndash 10 2009 Visit wwwfirepreventionweekorg or call 800-344-3555 for moreinformation NFPA Seminars - Apply the codes with confidenceRegister at wwwnfpalearnorg NFPA Membership keeps you up-to-dateVisit wwwnfpaorgjoin for more information Or call 800-344-3555Notice The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for theexclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential andor privileged information If you are not the intendedrecipient please notify Robert Benedetti immediately by replying to the message or by calling (617) 984-7433 Please deletethis message and any attachments from your system Thank you

From Hamilton James P (HOY) [mailtoHAMILTONJPbechteljacobsorg] Sent Thursday September 10 2009 1224 PMTo Benedetti BobSubject NFPA 30A 2008 Edition

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NFPA 30A 672 states at least one additional device or disconnect shall be readily accessible toeach group of dispensing devices on an individual island Our installation does not have islands Should the second emergency shutoff be installed close to the pumps or between 20 and 100 ofthe pumps

Please respond back via email hamiltonjpbechteljacobsorg

Thanks

NFPA 127130 James P Hamilton CFPSTetraTek Inc - Fire Safety TechnologiesFire Protection LeadK-27 Pre-Demo Project 790 Emory Valley Rd 811 Oak Ridge TN 37830 ETTP Office 865-241-1902

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From Benedetti BobTo Scott DavonskiCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Tuesday August 04 2009 92429 AM

Good morning Mr Davonski My opinion is that the intent of the requirement in Subsection 1141 of NFPA 30A Code for Motor FuelDispensing Facilities and Repair Garages is that any hose longer than 18 feet should not simply bestrung along the dockrsquos surface Using a reel would be one means of securing the hose although Irsquomsure other methods such as hangers would work as well Please understand that this response to your inquiry is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 of NFPArsquos RegulationsGoverning Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitively determine compliance with anylaws ordinances rules or regulations To determine the adequacy or safety of any device or installationyou should consult with an appropriate professional To determine legal compliance you should refer tothe appropriate authority having jurisdiction or seek legal advice I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will be happy toassist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarily represent the official positionof the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it berelied upon to provide professional consultation or services cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

Fire Prevention Week is October 4 ndash 10 2009 Visit wwwfirepreventionweekorg or call 800-344-3555 for moreinformation NFPA Seminars - Apply the codes with confidenceRegister at wwwnfpalearnorg NFPA Membership keeps you up-to-dateVisit wwwnfpaorgjoin for more information Or call 800-344-3555Notice The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for theexclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential andor privileged information If you are not the intendedrecipient please notify Robert Benedetti immediately by replying to the message or by calling (617) 984-7433 Please deletethis message and any attachments from your system Thank you

From Scott Davonski [mailtodavonskiRiverheadlicom] Sent Wednesday July 22 2009 1118 AMTo Benedetti BobSubject 30A clarification

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1141 All hose shall be listed Where hose length exceeds 55 m (18 ft) the hose shall besecured so as to protect it from damage Can you provide clarification as to what is meant by ldquosecured so as to protect it fromdamagerdquo Is the standard looking not to have the hoses on the dock In a reel Any clarificationinformation would be appreciated Scott W DavonskiChief Fire MarshalTown of RiverheadP- 631-727-3200 ext 209F- 631-727-3370

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be inspected for signs of leaks damage corrosion or weathering with particular attention to the sump area and joints and castings of fuel handling components The inspection should be conducted at least monthly and should be documented Documentation should be available for review by the authority having jurisdiction upon request (c) If a leak is discovered use of the affected dispensing device should be discontinued until repairs can be made The authority having jurisdiction is provided with the ability to approve for use with mid-level alcohol blended motor fuels (eg E15 15 percent ethanol 85 percent unleaded gasoline) dispensing devices and related dispensing equipment currently listed for use with E10 (10 percent ethanol 90 percent unleaded gasoline) Approval of the dispensing device or related dispensing equipment for use with alcohol blended motor fuel requires that the dispensing device and related dispensing equipment be listed for use with E10 and that periodic inspection be conducted to verify that the equipment is functioning properly Useful forms for documenting inspections can be found in PEIRP500-05 Recommended Practices for Inspection and Maintenance of Motor Fuel Dispensing Equipment and are also available at wwwpeiorgrp500 In addition the authority having jurisdiction may take into account other factors including actual field experience evidence of compatibility (eg manufacturerrsquos declaration) and functionality by government agencies trade associations and testing laboratories Underwriters Laboratories Inc has listed dispensing devices and related dispensing equipment for alcohol blended motor fuels up to E10 and more recently has begun listing dispensing devices for alcohol blended motor fuels up to E25 (25 percent ethanol 75 percent unleaded gasoline) However the majority of existing dispensing devices and related dispensing equipment currently in service at motor fuel dispensing facilities are not listed for use with alcohol blended motor fuels with more than 10 percent ethanol While higher alcohol blended motor fuels (eg E85 85 percent ethanol 15 percent unleaded gasoline) are typically sold as an alternative to E10 the mid-level alcohol blended motor fuels such as E15 if approved by the U S Environmental Protection Agency might likely become a replacement for current motor fuels either through state or federal mandates or because of supply chain restrictions In order to maintain the supply of motor fuel this might require the sale of mid-level blends through the existing dispensing devices and related dispensing equipmentrdquo

3 Revise 651 to read

ldquo651 Listed hose assemblies shall be used to dispense fuels shall be listed for the specific fuels being dispensed Hose length at automotive motor fuel dispensing facilities shall not exceed 55 m (18 ft) Where hose length at marine motor fuel dispensing facilities exceeds 55 m (18 ft) the hose shall be secured so as to protect it from damage (See A63221)rdquo

4 Revise 661 to read

ldquo661 An automatic-closing-type hose nozzle valve listed in accordance with UL 842 Standard for Valves for Flammable Fluids and listed for the specific fuels being dispensed with or without latch-open device shall be provided on island-type dispensing devices used to dispense Class I or Class II liquids (See A63221)rdquo

5 Revise 681 and 682 to read

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ldquo681 Dispensing devices that incorporate vapor recovery shall be listed for the specific fuels being dispensed (See A63221) 682 Hose nozzle valves used on vapor recovery systems shall be listed for the purpose and for the specific fuels being dispensed (See A63221)rdquo

6 Add a new entry to Table B1 Typical Flammable and Combustible Liquids Found at Motor Fuel Dispensing Facilities to read as follows

ldquoAlcohol Blended Motor Fuel -40 degF ndash 55 degF Class IB varies nardquo A6321 proposed 6231 and its annex all becomes annex material gtgtgt New lead-in Where modifications are made 2 Add a new Subsection 623 and an accompanying annex text to read as follows A6322 Where dispensing devices and related dispensing equipment including dispensers hoses nozzles breakaway fittings swivels flexible connectors dispenser emergency shutoff valves and vapor recovery systems and pumps are propose for use for alcohol blended motor fuels they should be listed Where there is currently no listing see 15 for equivalencies Section 15 permits the authority having jurisdiction to approve non-listed components for the specific for the specific fuel being dispensed Where the authority having jurisdiction approves the use of a dispensing device or related dispensing equipment for use with alcohol blended motor fuels the approval of the dispensing device and related dispensing equipment could include the following (1) The dispensing device and related dispensing equipment shall be listed for dispensing of gasoline motor fuel and (2) The dispensing device and related dispensing equipment shall be periodically inspected by a person who is knowledgeable in the operation of the equipment to verify that it is in proper working order and is not leaking as described in (a) and (b) (a) A visual inspection of the fuel dispenser and its associated hanging hardware shall be conducted ldquoHanging hardwarerdquo shall include the following components that might be present hose nozzle valve hose breakaway valve and hose swivel Inspections shall be conducted at least weekly and shall be documented Documentation shall be available for review by the authority having jurisdiction upon request (b) An inspection of the fuel-dispensing equipment that is located inside the dispenser cabinet shall be conducted The interior of the dispenser cabinet shall be inspected for signs of leaks damage corrosion or weathering with particular attention to the sump area and joints and castings of fuel handling components The inspection shall be conducted at least monthly and shall be documented Documentation shall be available for review by the authority having jurisdiction upon request NEEDS TO TELL WHAT TO DO BEYOND MERE DOCUMENTATION ALSO NEED TO REPLACE ldquoPERIODICrdquo WITH FIRM TIME A623 See UL SU87A Outline for Power-Operated Dispensing Devices for Gasoline and GasolineEthanol Blends with Nominal Concentrations up to 85 Percent

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A6231 The authority having jurisdiction is provided with the ability to approve for use with mid-level alcohol blended motor fuels (eg E15 15 percent ethanol 85 percent unleaded gasoline) dispensing devices and related dispensing equipment currently listed for use with E10 (10 percent ethanol 90 percent unleaded gasoline) Approval of the dispensing device or related dispensing equipment for use with alcohol blended motor fuel requires that the dispensing device and related dispensing equipment be listed for use with E10 and that periodic inspection be conducted to verify that the equipment is functioning properly Useful forms for documenting inspections can be found in PEIRP500-05 Recommended Practices for Inspection and Maintenance of Motor Fuel Dispensing Equipment and are also available at wwwpeiorgrp500 In addition the authority having jurisdiction may take into account other factors including actual field experience evidence of compatibility (eg manufacturerrsquos declaration) and functionality by government agencies trade associations and testing laboratories Underwriters Laboratories Inc has listed dispensing devices and related dispensing equipment for alcohol blended motor fuels up to E10 and more recently has begun listing dispensing devices for alcohol blended motor fuels up to E25 (25 percent ethanol 75 percent unleaded gasoline) However the majority of existing dispensing devices and related dispensing equipment currently in service at motor fuel dispensing facilities are not listed for use with alcohol blended motor fuels with more than 10 percent ethanol While higher alcohol blended motor fuels (eg E85 85 percent ethanol 15 percent unleaded gasoline) are typically sold as an alternative to E10 the mid-level alcohol blended motor fuels such as E15 if approved by the U S Environmental Protection Agency might likely become a replacement for current motor fuels either through state or federal mandates or because of supply chain restrictions In order to maintain the supply of motor fuel this might require the sale of mid-level blends through the existing dispensing devices and related dispensing equipmentrdquo

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8 623 (New)- ( )30A- AUV-AAA A2011

3 Table 831- ( )30A- AUV-AAA A2011

9 Figure 831(B)- ( )30A- AUV-AAA A2011

5 92- ( )30A- AUV-AAA A2011

7 11721 (New)- ( )30A- AUV-AAA A2011

Page 1A2011Cycle

Report on Comments ndash June 2011 NFPA 30A_______________________________________________________________________________________________30A- Log 6

_______________________________________________________________________________________________John F Bender Underwriters Laboratories Inc

30A-6Revise text as follows

Underwriters Laboratories Inc 333 Pfingsten Road Northbrook IL 60062-2096UL 87 Standard for Power-Operated Dispensing Devices for Petroleum Products 2001 Revised 2008ANSIUL 842 Standard for Valves for Flammable Fluids 2007 Revised 2010UL 2080 Standard for Fire Resistant Tanks for Flammable and Combustible Liquids 2000ANSIUL 2085 Standard for Protected Aboveground Tanks for Flammable and Combustible Liquids 1997 Revised

1999UL 2245 Standard for Below-Grade Vaults for Flammable Liquid Storage Tanks 2006

Updated referenced standards to most recent revisions Add ANSI approval designation to ANSIUL842 and ANSIUL 2085

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Report on Comments ndash June 2011 NFPA 30A_______________________________________________________________________________________________30A- Log 4

_______________________________________________________________________________________________Marshall A Klein Marshall A Klein amp Associates Inc

30A-7Revise text to read as follows

331 Basement Basement For the purposes of this code a story of a building or structure having one-half or more ofits height below ground level and to which access for fire-fighting purposes is restricted [302008] Any story of a buildingwholly or partly below grade plane that is not considered the first story above grade plane (Also see 33X ldquoFirst StoryAbove Grade Planerdquo 33Y ldquoGrade Planerdquo and 33Z ldquoStoryrdquo) [5000 2009]33X First Story Above Grade Plane Any story having its finished floor surface entirely above grade plane except

that a basement shall be considered as a first story above grade plane where the finished surface of the floor above thebasement is (1) more than 6 ft (1830 mm) above grade plane or (2) more than 12 ft (3660 mm) above the finished levelat any point (See also 33Z ldquoStoryrdquo) [5000 2009]33Z Story The portion of a building located between the upper surface of a floor and the upper surface of the floor or

roof next above [5000 2009]33Y Grade Plane A reference plane representing the average of the finished ground level adjoining the building at all

exterior walls When the finished ground level slopes down from the exterior walls the grade plane is established by thelowest points within the area between the building and the lot line or when the lot line is more than 6 ft (1830 mm) fromthe building between the building and a point 6 ft (1830 mm) from the building (See also 33W ldquoFinished Ground Level(Graderdquo) [5000 2009]33W Finished Ground Level (Grade) The level of the finished ground (earth or other surface on ground) (See also33Y ldquoGrade Planerdquo) [5000 2009]

The Committeersquos substantiation for this Committee Proposal was ldquoThis definition is the preferreddefinition from the NFPA Glossary of Terms Changing the secondary definition to the preferred definition complies withthe Glossary of Terms Projectrdquo Also the Committeersquos statement said in part ldquohellipThe key issue relative to NFPA 30A issafe access to and evacuation from the basement area by emergency responders during an emergencyrdquo

Since the first edition of the NFPA 5000 Building Code the NFPA 30A Committee has attempted to be in correlationwith NFPA 5000 and the other Model Building Code in the the United States IBC The dispensing facilities and repairgarage buildings constructed under the NFPA 30A are also required to comply with the local building code which will beeither NFPA 5000 or IBC The proposed definition for ldquobasementrdquo that is taken from NFPA 30 is more suited for thelarger flammable and combustible types of facilities built under NFPA 30 not the service centersrepair garages builtunder NFPA 30A and the building codes

NFPA 30A should stay with its present position to correlate with the definition for a ldquobasementrdquo with NFPA 5000ldquoBuilding Construction and safety Coderdquo and not replace this definition with the one that is in NFPA 30 ldquoFlammable andCombustible Liquids Coderdquo

The term ldquobasementrdquo is only used in the NFPA 30A Code in Section 423 that deals with ignitable vapors in abasement or pit and Section 746 that applies when sprinklers are required to be installed in the basement of a majorrepair garage The two NFPA 30A sections on basements relate more to the application of the requirements in NFPA5000 and IBC than to the requirements in NFPA 30 ldquoFlammable and Combustible Liquids Coderdquo As I have notedabove during the development of the NFPA 5000 Building Code the NFPA 30A Committee was very careful tocorrelate its requirements with NFPA 5000 NFPA 101 amp IBC so that there would be minimum conflicts in theapplication of the requirements of NFPA 30A with these other Codes that greatly impact the design and construction ofMotor Fuel Dispensing Facilities and Repair Garages The definition of ldquobasementrdquo is critically important forbuilding design and should be correlated with the building codes used throughout the US and we should not use adifferent definition for basement that would cause confusion and cost in the design and application of the NFPA 30Arequirements where NFPA 5000 NFPA 101 or IBC Codes are also adopted

I have also included the addition of the definitions of ldquoFirst Story Above Grade Planerdquo ldquoStoryrdquo ldquoGrade Planerdquo andldquoFinished Ground Level (Grade)rdquo from NFPA 5000 to provide complete correlation on these building definitions withNFPA 5000 and the IBC For individuals using NFPA 30A that are only used to working with NFPA 30 these definitions

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Report on Comments ndash June 2011 NFPA 30Amay seem like overkill but to the great majority of code officials designers and owners of these types of dispensingfacilities and repair garages correlation of these terms with NFPA 5000 and IBC are critical to prevent major conflictsdelays and cost increases in interpretations and applications of code requirements between the building departmentsand fire departments

In summation based on the two sections in NFPA 30A that cover a ldquobasementrdquo requirement it serves the public interestbetter to use the ldquobasementrdquo definition and its related building definitions from NFPA 5000 to properly correlate with themodel buildings codes not NFPA 30

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Report on Comments ndash June 2011 NFPA 30A_______________________________________________________________________________________________30A- Log 1

_______________________________________________________________________________________________Alex Ralston Petcon Inc

NARevise text to read as follows

Means shall be provided to sound an audible alarm when the liquid level in the tank reaches 90 percent of capacityMeans shall also be provided either to automatically stop the flow of liquid into the tank when the liquid level reaches 98percent capacity or to restrict the flow of liquid into the tank to a maximum flow rate of 95L min (25 gpm) when theliquid level in the tank reaches 95 percent capacityThe federal underground storage tank rules state that means shall be provided to stop the flow of liquid into the tank

when the liquid reaches 95 percent capacity or restrict the flow into the tank when the liquid level reaches 90 percentcapacity

None given

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Report on Comments ndash June 2011 NFPA 30A_______________________________________________________________________________________________30A- Log 2

_______________________________________________________________________________________________Alex Ralston Petcon Inc

NARevise text to read as follows

On remote pressure pumping systems each pump shall have installed on the discharge side a listed leak detectiondevice that will provide an audible or visible indication if the piping and dispensing devices are not liquid tight Replace with device that will either restrict the flow of product to the dispenser or shut-off the flow of product to

indicate if the piping and dispensing devices are liquid tightThe explanation attempts to explain the federal underground storage tank regulations however the

regulation that provides for an audible or visible alarm relates to overfill prevention in federal regulations not leakdetectionThe regulations on leak detection for pressurized piping in the explanation are correct but if youll note nowhere in the

explanation is audible or visual alarms mentioned

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Report on Comments ndash June 2011 NFPA 30A_______________________________________________________________________________________________30A- Log 8

_______________________________________________________________________________________________Robert Bourke Northeastern Regional Fire Code Development Committee

30A-42Revise to read 623 Fuel-dispensing systems including dispensers hoses nozzleshelliphelliphellip

blended motor fuels shall be listed or approved for the specific purposeThis requirement should only be stating that the equipment is listed for the specific purpose

ldquoApprovedrdquo by definition means ldquoacceptable to the AHJrdquoToo often a Standard may misuse the word ldquoapprovedrdquo in order to not exclude other listing organizations that publish

its list in a document that they refer to as an ldquoApproval Guiderdquo Regardless the document is still a listing

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Report on Comments ndash June 2011 NFPA 30A_______________________________________________________________________________________________30A- Log 3

_______________________________________________________________________________________________David B Wechsler The Dow Chemical Company

30A-34Revise and add new sentences shown under 831 and A831 and modify Table 831 as

indicated831 Table 831 shall be used to delineate and classify areas for the purposes of installing electrical wiring and

electrical utilization equipment (See also Figure 831) WARNING The US National Electrical Code has differentequipment and installation requirements from other International Standards Therefore for example equipment used inEurope may not be acceptable for installation in the USA831 The designation and decision installation and use of electrical equipment for Classes and Divisions in

hazardous (classified) locations are defined Article 500 501 and 504 of NFPA 70 National Electrical Code Thedesignation and design installation and use of electrical equipment for Classes and Zones in hazardous (classified)locations are defined in Article 505 and 504 of NFPA 70 National Electrical Code The designation and designinstallation and use of electrical equipment in lsquoZonesrsquo Zone 0 Zone 1 and Zone 2 are addressed in other internationalstandardsWithin Table 831 add a new column titled ldquoZones and copy the information from the Class I Zone column into this

new columnAlternatively to all of the above remove the ldquoZonesrdquo column completely from Table 831

While the stated intent of this proposal is understood as being to try and deal with the internationalnature of applying NFPA 30A there are problems with the approach presented by a simple extraction from the NECFirst as presented the new column only addresses the US Zone methodology The US Zone methodology for

flammable vapor gases liquids and combustible vapors and liquids is identified by the terms lsquoClass I Zone 0rsquo lsquoClass IZone 1rsquo and lsquoClass I Zone 2rsquo However under the IEC or ATEX (aka Europe International) the terms are simply lsquoZone0rsquo lsquoZone 1rsquo or lsquoZone 2rsquo Therefore the table revision is not correct for international useSecond this TIA and proposal was to lsquoincorporate the (European) Zone System of designating hazardous (classified)

locations and the allowable wiring methods and electrical utilization devices that can be used in themrsquo However the USNEC is not an international code Thus while the US NEC Article 505 does permit the use of the Class I Zonemethodology adding this column in NFPA 30A does not address the more complex nature of the design and installationproblems associated with Zone certified equipment in the US The NEC under Article 5059 Equipment provides for theuse of only AEx equipment as may be seen for example under paragraph ldquo(2) Zone Equipment Equipment meeting oneor more of the protection techniques described in 5058 shall be marked with all of the following in the order shown(1) Class(2) Zone(3) Symbol ldquoAExrdquo(4) Protection technique(s) in accordance with Table 5059(C)(2)(4)(5) Applicable gas classification group(s) in accordance with Table 9(C)(1)(2)Without adding additional text usersinspectors etc may think using Zones is just like using the Division methodology

This is not true and equipment not otherwise permitted under the US NEC may be installed because of the impliedactions currently reflected in this proposal This is a significant issue

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Report on Comments ndash June 2011 NFPA 30A_______________________________________________________________________________________________30A- Log 9

_______________________________________________________________________________________________Donald R Offerdahl North Dakota State Electrical Board

30A-36Insert figure for 831(B)

Insert Artwork Figure 831(A) and 831(B) Here

Proposal 30A-36 should have been accepted in principal these types of storage tanks and dispensersare widely used in farms construction sites and business fleet operations

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Report on Comments ndash June 2011 NFPA 30A_______________________________________________________________________________________________30A- Log 5

_______________________________________________________________________________________________Mindy Wang Ampco Safety Tools

30A-39Not proposing new text Please see comment in Substantiation

Although procedures for cleanup of spills is not within the scope of NFPA 30A we feel compelled toaddress API 2214 referenced by the Committee Information presented below shows API 2214 is misleading andundermines safe work practices In fact API 2214 conflicts with OSHA regulations Accredited Standards Developerrsquosstandards and safe work practices FM Approvals LLC formerly Factory Mutual Research Corporation (FM) is an international organization recognized

by the US government as a Nationally Recognized Testing Laboratory (NRTL) for scientific research and productcertification Product approval from a NRTL assures that products meet consensus-based standards of safety to providethe assurance required by OSHA that these products are safe for use in the United States workplace FM ApprovalStandard 7910 Spark Resistant Tools is used as guidance to evaluate tools intended for use in environments wherethere is a risk of ignition of flammable materials dusts or vapors resulting from sparks created by iron and steel handtools These tools prevent the ignition of flammable materials dusts or vapors by mechanical sparks created by the useof iron and steel hand tools slipping or striking a surface American Petroleum Institute (API) Publication 2214contradicts NRTL research and product certification as evidence in FM Approvals granted for spark resistance toolsFM has conducted tests of Ampco Safety Tools as covered in Report Job Identification No IN4A0AF in accordancewith the requirements of Safety Tools Approval Test Procedure Class 7910 and test results show

Sparks created from steel plates ignited carbon disulfide saturated pads eight of eight tests ethyl ether pads fiveof eight tests and naphtha VMampP four of eight tests

No sparks were observed and no ignition of the flammable liquids mentioned above from approved Ampco SafetyTools Other investigations also contradict APIrsquos conclusion on non-sparking tools A paper published in the Fire Protection

Journal ldquoThe Danger of Incendive Sparksrdquo stated that after APIrsquos conclusion on ldquonon-sparkingrdquo tools Institute ofPetroleum sought the advice of the Fire Research Board Committee on Industrial Fires and Explosion This committeecame to certain conclusions one of which was ldquoUntilhellipevidence is obtained to show that the impact of steel hand toolson steel is safe it is advisable to use non-sparking tools in situations where flammable atmospheres are unavoidablerdquo The NFPA Fire Protection Handbook 20th edition published in January 2008 does not support the conclusion that

API 2214 represents In fact many NFPA codes the use of ldquonon-sparkingrdquo tools in flammable atmospheresAccording to NFPA Fire Protection Handbook ldquoWhen flammable and combustible liquids are stored or handled theliquid is usually exposed to the air at some stage in the operation except where the storage is confined to sealedcontainers that are not filled or opened on the premises or where handling is in closed systems and vapor losses arerecovered Even when the storage or handling is in a closed system there is always the possibility of breaks or leakswhich permit the liquid to escape It is a to eliminate sources of ignition in places where low flashpointflammable liquids are stored handled or used even though no vapor may ordinarily be presentrdquo NFPA 921 Guide for Fire and Explosion Investigations 2008 Edition Chapter 5 Basic Fire Science Table 5711

Reported Burning and Sparking Temperature of Selected Ignition Sources under Mechanical Sparks lists a Steel tooltemperature at 2550degF When working with flammable gases liquids or vapors a potential hazard arises because of thepossibility that sparks produced by steel or iron tools can become an ignition source OSHA Flammable and Combustible Liquids regulation 29 CFR Parts 1910106(b) on tank storage paragraph

1910106(b)(6) states that precaution shall be taken to eliminate or control sources of ignitions including frictional heatand mechanical sparks to prevent the ignition of flammable vapors In OSHA regulation 29 CFR 1910146 Permit-Required Confined Spaces Appendix D Confined Space Pre-Entry

Check List non-sparking tool is listed as one type of entry equipment OSHA 29 CFR 1910146 StandardInterpretations Interpretative guidance and equipment approved for hazardous locations relative to the Permit-RequiredConfined Spaces states that ldquohellipthe standard does not prohibit entry into a permit space where a hazardous flammableatmosphere is at or above the 10 LFL For concentrations at or above 10 LFL paragraph (d) would theemployer to incorporate safe work procedures to address the flammableexplosive hazard (such as equipment approvedfor hazardous locations) in the entry plan for those spaces Electrical equipment as well as other sources of ignition(non-sparking hand tools) be considered and addressed for the hazardous atmosphererdquo OSHA regulation 29 CFR Parts 1910120 Hazardous waste operations and emergency response paragraph

1910120(j)(2)(v) requires that ldquoWhen there is a reasonable possibility of flammable atmospheres being present

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Report on Comments ndash June 2011 NFPA 30Amaterial handling equipment and hand tools shall be of the type to prevent sources of ignition EPA has identifiedsolvents such as xylene acetone ethyl acetate ethyl benzene and ethyl ether commonly used in all industries (theF-list) and discarded commercial chemical products such as acetone benzene ethyl ether and xylene (the P-list andU-list) as ignitable hazardous wastes API members such as ExxonMobil and Chevron as well as others in the petroleum industry such as Valero CITGO

Petroleum Corporation Chem-Supply Pty Ltd Irving Oil Ltd Petrol Star Inc Nova Chemicals and El Paso Corporationregularly the use of ldquonon-sparkingrdquo tools under Accidental Release Measures and Handling and Storage sectionsin the MSDSrsquos for their petroleum products These companies clearly recognize the need for ldquonon-sparkingrdquo tools inworking with and around flammable materials API 2214 Section 12 Background ldquohellipthese engineers pointed out that although numerous opportunities existed for

the production of sparks from violent contact of steel objects with other steel objects there was a negligible record offires resulting from such a causerdquo On the contrary there are a number of documented incidents involving flammablevapors ignited by steel sparks from tools A few examples are as follows

OSHA inspection 300965795 an employee in the process of cleaning loose material from drill piping with ametal hammer While striking the pipe with a hammer an explosion occurred Employee was killed in the explosion onsite

OSHA inspection 2272953 two employees were assigned the job of tending a 100 gallon (water jacket) reactorkettle of methyl methacrylate in the mixing room Employee 1 used a metal wrench (visegrips) to pry open the cover ofa kettle The wrench handle struck the angle iron support for the agitator motor producing a spark Employee 2noticed the spark which was immediately followed by a massive ldquofire ballrdquo Both employees were engulfed in thefireball Employee 3 came to the area to assist the other employees The investigation states that non-sparking toolswere not provided for the employees All three employees received first and second degree burns on their face armsand abdomen Employee 2 also received some third degree burns All three employees were hospitalized

OSHA inspection 124728437 Employee 1 and a coworker both maintenance mechanics were working in a 30inch by 36 inch manhole at a gas station Employee 1 was trying to change a fuel pump while the coworker watchedfrom outside the manhole Employee 1 was using an Allen wrench to loosen the bolts on the fuel pump lead when hecreated a spark that ignited the gas fumes in the manhole causing an explosion Employee 1 suffered burns to hisface hands arms and legs in the explosion and was hospitalized

OSHA inspection 111109237 Employee 1 or 3 attempted to cut a metal pipe with a metal saw whileEmployee 2 was standing on top of one of two 5000 gallon gas tanks trying to remove a tank fitting Sparks from thesaw the pipe wrench or another unknown source ignited the gas vapors which exploded Employees 1 and 3 werekilled of burns at the scene Employee 2 died at the burn center as a result of burns sustained in the explosion

OSHA inspection 102826625 Employee 1 worked for a company that cleans paints and replaces valves in LPand MAPP gas cylinders Before removing an old valve Employee 1 would open the valve to let the residual gas leakout on the loading dock Where there was a large quantity of cylinders Employee 1 would invert the cylinder so theresidual gas could vent faster Employee 1 had an accumulation of a gas and air mixture around his work area Thevapors were ignited either by a spark from the metal screwdriver he was using to open a damaged valve or by an openflame burner approximately 40 feet away There was a fire and explosion The employee sustained 2nd and 3rd degreeburns on the lower half of his body and was hospitalized

OSHA inspection 607366 an employee was sawing an airplane wing into sections with a portable powered handsaw the saw created a spark that caused an explosion of gasoline vapors in the wing fuel tank Employee 1 killed andEmployee 2 injured in explosion and was hospitalized

OSHA inspection 309178523 employer was cited for violating Section 5(a)(1) of the Occupational Safety andHealth Act of 1970 often referred to as the General Duty Clause which requires employers to furnish to each of hisemployees employment and a place of employment which are free from recognized hazards that are causing or arelikely to cause death or serious physical harm to his employees for exposing employee to an explosion hazard byopening the hydrogen tube trailer main valve without using non-sparking tools

OSHA inspection 304994304 employer was cited for violating Section 5(a)(1) of the Occupational Safety andHealth Act of 1970 violation for exposing employee to a fireexplosion hazard while performing maintenance operationson LP gas tanks with ferrous tools One feasible and acceptable abatement method to correct this hazard is toimplement the use of non- sparking toolsThe Report of the BP US Refineries independent Safety Review Panel also known as the Baker Panel Report states

that ldquoPreventing process accidents requires vigilance The passing of time without a process accident is not necessarilyan indicator that all is well and may contribute to a dangerous and growing sense of complacencyrdquo This sample ofOSHA documented events illustrates accidents do happen when proper safety measures are not taken againstmechanical sparks from steel tools as a possible ignition sourceHaving said that we appreciate the Committeersquos time and agree with the Committee that procedures for cleanup of

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Report on Comments ndash June 2011 NFPA 30Aspills is not within the scope of NFPA 30A

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Report on Comments ndash June 2011 NFPA 30A_______________________________________________________________________________________________30A- Log 7

_______________________________________________________________________________________________Robert Bourke Northeastern Regional Fire Code Development Committee

30A-19Add a new section to read 11721 Where approved by the Authority Having Jurisdiction piers

that extend more than 152 m (500 ft) in travel distance from shore shall be permitted to provide a Class I standpipe thatis installed in accordance with NFPA 14 Standard for the Installation of Standpipe and Hose Systems

The TC missed the point in the substantiation of the proposalIt was not the intent of the proposal to obtain additional flexibility of FD use over that which is provided by a Class III

standpipe system The intent of the proposal was to provide relief from the requirement where the local AHJ feels thatthe effectiveness and likelihood of occupant use of fire hoses does not justify the added risk to the occupant or theinstallation and maintenance costs associated with the requisite hose for a Class III system A Class I system would stillprovide FD fire fighting capabilities in jurisdictions where the AHJ prefers occupants to evacuate and not attempt to fightfires beyond portable fire extinguisher capability

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From Benedetti BobTo bcotnerswriorgCc Harrington Greg Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiBcc May PaulSubject Inquiry NFPA 30 amp NFPA 30ADate Thursday July 08 2010 121900 PM

Good Morning Mr Cotner Greg Harrington asked that I respond to your question about the proper use ofintermediate bulk containers Actually an intermediate bulk container is a shipping vessel that must meetrequirements and specifications of the U S Department of Transportation for shippingmaterials from Point A to Point B It is not intended to be a storage vessel althoughthe liquid contained is obviously dispensed from the vessel for use Dispensing of motor fuels is covered by NFPA 30A Code for Motor Fuel DispensingFacilities and Repair Garages NFPA 30A states in Subsection 421 421 Liquids shall be stored in the following(1) Approved closed containers that do not exceed 227 L (60 gal) capacity and arelocated outside buildings(2) Tanks or approved closed containers located inside motor fuel dispensingfacilities or repair garages(3) Aboveground tanks underground tanks and containers in accordance with therequirements of Section 43(4) Tanks supplying marine service stations in accordance with Section 112 Section 43 states the following 432 Aboveground Storage Tanks Except as modified by the provisions of thissubsection aboveground storage tanks shall meet all applicable requirements ofChapters 21 through 23 and 27 of NFPA 30 Flammable and Combustible Liquids Code So in accordance with NFPA 30A Subsection 421(3) indicates that abovegroundstorage of motor fuel must be in a tank that meets the provisions of Section 43 Thelatter in turn references the Chapters in NFPA 30 that deal with fixed storage tanks Nowhere in these chapters is there any reference to an intermediate bulk container Chapter 9 of NFPA 30 does recognize an intermediate bulk container for warehouse-type storage of Class I flammable liquids but does not anticipate continual dispensingand use One could evaluate an intermediate bulk container as a means of long-term storageand dispensing of liquids under the Equivalency clause My opinion is that an intermediate bulk container is not considered a substitute for anaboveground storage tank but this is not specifically stated in the relevant codes This issue will be added to the agendas for the Technical Committees involved Please understand that this response is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 ofNFPArsquos Regulations Governing Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon todefinitively determine compliance with any laws ordinances rules or regulations Todetermine legal compliance you should refer to the appropriate authority havingjurisdiction or seek legal advice It is not intended nor should it be relied upon toprovide professional consultation or services To determine the adequacy or safety ofany device or installation you should consult with an appropriate professional

bbenedetti
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I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write Iwill be happy to assist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant toNFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does notnecessarily represent the official position of the NFPA or its Technical Committees Inaddition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it be relied upon to provideprofessional consultation or services cc 30IFI 30AIFI AUVNM FLCSWCNM FLCTANNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

If you have a reported fire in your home the risk of dyingdecreases by about 80 percent when sprinklers are present

wwwfiresprinklerinitiativeorgNotice The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intendedfor the exclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential andor privileged information If you arenot the intended recipient please notify Robert Benedetti immediately by replying to the message or by calling(617) 984-7433 Please delete this message and any attachments from your system Thank you

From Harrington Greg Sent Wednesday July 07 2010 350 PMTo Benedetti BobSubject FW Intermediate Bulk Containers Hi Bob Can you answer the question below Hersquos a friend of mine former inspector with San Antonio FD when Iworked down there now a safety guy at SWRI Thanks a lot --Greg

From Bill Cotner [mailtobcotnerswriorg] Sent Wednesday July 07 2010 332 PMTo Harrington GregSubject Intermediate Bulk Containers Hey Greg howrsquos the heat in Boston here it is a balmy 93 enjoying it I have a question probably out ofyour area but Irsquom sure you know who to route it to We have a group here that wants to dispense fuelfrom a stainless steel IBC into test engines I donrsquot think that is the intended use or what it has beenlisted for Can I get some guidance on this issue I appreciate anything you can do for me Bill Bill CotnerSenior Fire SpecialistEnvironmental Safety and Quality SystemsSouthwest Research InstitutePhone (210) 522-5101Fax (210) 522-5093Mobile (210) 669-7005Email bcotner swriorg

From Benedetti BobTo Ebanks DesmondCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiBcc May PaulSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Monday June 14 2010 35400 PM

Good afternoon Mr Ebanks The intent of Subsection 422 of NFPA 30A Code for Motor Fuel Dispensing Facilities and RepairGarages is that there be no direct piped connection between the aboveground storage tank inthe bulk plant and the fuel dispensing device in the motor fuel dispensing facility In my opinionthis includes any intervening underground storage tank The hazard being addressed is the potential to overfill the underground storage tank due to thestatic head of the liquid in the aboveground storage tank Please understand that this response is a personal opinion and does not constitute a FormalInterpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 of NFPArsquos RegulationsGoverning Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitively determine compliancewith any laws ordinances rules or regulations To determine legal compliance you shouldrefer to the appropriate authority having jurisdiction or seek legal advice It is not intended norshould it be relied upon to provide professional consultation or services To determine theadequacy or safety of any device or installation you should consult with an appropriateprofessional I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will behappy to assist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPARegulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarilyrepresent the official position of the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition thiscorrespondence is neither intended nor should it be relied upon to provide professional consultation orservices cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg Attend the premier event for fire life safety and electrical professionals

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bbenedetti
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From Ebanks Desmond [mailtoDesmondEbanksgovky] Sent Monday May 24 2010 940 AMTo Benedetti BobSubject bulk storage supply to motor fuel facilities Hi Bob NFPA 30A (2003) 422 gives to positions in relation to motor fuel dispensing facilities (mfdf) that I would like to havefurther clarified for Code intent please The first is that dispensing devices at the mfdf shall not be supplied by ASTs located in the bulk plant Does this implythat supply from a UST (underground storage tank) in the bulk storage facility would be acceptable or to the other extentthat even if the bulk AST supplied a loading rack which in turn supplied a UST both in the bulk facility that supplyfrom the bulk AST is still not permitted The second statement refers to any storage tank at the mfdf saying they shall not be connected by piping to bulkfacility ASTs Similarly does this imply that a UST (underground storage tank) in the bulk storage facility would beacceptable or that if the bulk tank was connected to a loading rack and the loading rack connected by non-permanentmeans to an mfdf tank that this would be permissible RegardsDes EbanksAssistant Petroleum InspectorThe Petroleum InspectorateCayman Islands GovernmentAnderson Square 4th floorPO Box 31213Grand CaymanKY1-1205Cayman IslandsOffice 345 244 3458Mobile 345 925 3317Fax 345 949 0920Email desmondebanksgovky

From Benedetti BobTo Shriniwas BodhankarCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiBcc May PaulSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Monday June 14 2010 50100 PM

Good day Sir There has been no discussion by the Technical Committee on Automotive and Marine ServiceStations to alter the separation distances in Table 4324 of NFPA 30A Code for Motor FuelDispensing Facilities and Repair Garages as they pertain to liquid fuels including high flashpoint diesel fuels Also there have been no proposals to make such a change to NFPA 30A I trust this answers your question R P Benedetti cc -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

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From Shriniwas Bodhankar [mailtobodhankarenoccom] Sent Tuesday June 01 2010 536 AMTo Maynard Mary Benedetti BobSubject NFPA 30 A Dear sir Reference is made to table no 4324 of NFPA code 30A specifying the minimum distance between storagetanks and dispensing equipment A dispenser should be placed minimum 50 feet away from a bunded abovegroundsteel tank to meet this requirementIn our opinion this is too stringent and uncalled for in case of high flash diesel ( Flash point above 65 degreecentigrade) A bunded tank where spill can be contained within bund is as safe as a vaulted tankfire resistanttankprotected tank Therefore it is equally safe to install an approved dispensing device immediately outside thebund provided the vent of the tank is 4 meters above the grade level on which the dispensing device is installedVarious international oil companies like SHELL amp BP carry similar installations for their fleet customers of dieselMoreover there are standard skids being marketed in EUROPE (even for gasoline) which have storage tanks and

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dispensers on same skid and such an arrangement is accepted by ldquoAuthority Having Jurisdictionrdquo(AHJ)Kindly advise if this standard requirement is being reviewed or otherwise if based on performance based designsuch a requirement may be waived or considered as ldquo highly recommendedrdquo in the leastBased on your feedback we wish to discuss this with AHJ in UAE Regards Regards Shriniwas BodhankarSenior EHS Compliance Officer( Special Projects)Group EHSQ Compliance DepartmentEmirates National Oil Company Limited (ENOC) LLC ENOC House I PO Box 6442Dubai United Arab EmiratesDirect +971 4 313 4437Fax +971 4 313 4482bodhankarenoccom | wwwenoccom

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From Benedetti BobTo EActonccfireusCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiBcc May PaulSubject Inquiry NFPA 30A amp NFPA 30Date Monday August 02 2010 44400 PMAttachments DSC06169JPG

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Good day Mr Acton Fire protection provisions for major and minor repair garages and ldquolube-onlyrdquofacilities which is the topic of your concern are provided in NFPA 30A Code for MotorFuel Dispensing Facilities and Repair Garages currently 2008 edition Chapter 5 ofNFPA 30A covers piping systems but its specific provisions focus on piping systemsbetween fuel storage tanks and fuel dispensers Chapter 5 also directly referencesChapter 27 of the 2008 edition of NFPA 30 Flammable and Combustible Liquids Code(successor to Chapter 5 of the 2003 edition) Subsection 527 of NFPA 30A allows piping made from low-melting point materials tobe installed in exposed areas but only in specific locations These are limited tocontainment sumps under dispensers containment sumps for underground fuelstorage tanks and sumps for below-grade piping connections Chapter 5 of NFPA 30Ais silent on piping inside buildings Therefore the user is left with the provisions ofChapter 27 of NFPA 30 NFPA 30 in turn does allow piping fabricated of low melting point materials to beused exposed outdoors or inside buildings with the following provisions ldquo27441 Such materials shall be permitted to be used outdoors above ground orinside buildings provided they meet one of the following conditions (1) They are resistant to damage by fire(2) They are located so that any leakage resulting from failure will not exposepersons important buildings or structures(3) They are located where leakage can be controlled by operation of one or moreaccessible remotely located valvesrdquo Regardless of the material of construction of the piping and components the followinggeneral requirement from Chapter 27 of NFPA 30 always applies ldquo273 General Requirements2731 Performance Standards The design fabrication assembly test and inspectionof piping systems shall be suitable for the working pressures and structural stresses tobe encountered by the piping system Compliance with applicable sections of ASMEB31 Code for Pressure Piping and the provisions of this chapter shall be consideredprima facie evidence of compliance with the foregoing provisions2732 Tightness of Piping Piping systems shall be maintained liquidtight A pipingsystem that has leaks that constitute a hazard shall be emptied of liquid or repaired ina manner acceptable to the authority having jurisdictionrdquo Your interpretation of Subsection 511 of the 2003 edition of NFPA 30 (2711 in the2008 edition) is correct the chapter applies to any piping system that handles aflammable or combustible liquid regardless of pressure Likewise you are correct thatthe piping system must meet the provisions of ASME B31 for the material chosen andthe anticipated operating pressures and temperatures (531 in the 2003 edition 2741 in the 2008 edition) However low melting point materials (aluminum copperbrass and polymeric materials) are allowed under the provisions of Subsection 534(2003 edition) and 2744 (2008 edition) What must be determined is does thepiping system comply with one of the conditions stated in 27441 as stated above

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Please understand that this response is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 ofNFPArsquos Regulations Governing Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon todefinitively determine compliance with any laws ordinances rules or regulations Todetermine legal compliance you should refer to the appropriate authority havingjurisdiction or seek legal advice It is not intended nor should it be relied upon toprovide professional consultation or services To determine the adequacy or safety ofany device or installation you should consult with an appropriate professional I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write Iwill be happy to assist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant toNFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does notnecessarily represent the official position of the NFPA or its Technical Committees Inaddition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it be relied upon to provideprofessional consultation or services cc 30IFI 30AIFI AUVNM FLCTANNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

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From Eric Acton [mailtoEActonccfireus] Sent Monday July 19 2010 636 PMTo Benedetti BobSubject InterpretationOpinion request

Good day My name is Eric Acton I am the Fire Marshal for Campbell CountyWyoming and Irsquom employed by Campbell County Fire Department My NFPA

membership number is 2755369 My mailing and email addresses are listed below I am in need of a technical opinion regarding 2003 NFPA 30 Chapter 5 or morecurrently 2008 NFPA 30A Chapter 5 Some brief project backgroundAn owner within my jurisdiction has built a commercial lube-oil center to servicecustomersrsquo vehicles A ldquopitrdquo exists below the service bay to allow workers to drainthe oil from the vehicle then workers on the main floor refill the oil by use ofpressurized nozzles Several motor oil storage tanks are located in the pitaccounting for several brands and viscosities of oil The tanks are designed to befilled by use of a piping system which extends from an exterior connection vault toeach of the storage tanks using gravity to move the product in the fill-pipingsystem The material the owner chose to construct the fill-piping system wasldquostandardrdquo 1-12rdquo Schedule 40 PVC and Parker Series 7094 Electrically Non-Conductive rubber hose The piping system is exposed it is not underground nor isit protected from flame by means of a fire-rated chase Having identified the use of combustible liquids in this occupancy I utilized 2006International Fire Code (as adopted by my jurisdiction) Chapter 34 Flammable andCombustible Liquids to review and inspect the project IFC Section 340362referred me to NFPA 30 Chapter 5 for the construction materials to use where Iinterpreted (2003 version) 30511 to mean that the piping system components (pipetubing flanges bolting gaskets valves fittingshellip) must meet the requirementsregardless of pressure And that the following components specified in theparagraph must meet the requirements ONLY if they contained pressure ndashhelliprdquoexpansion joints and strainers and devices such thathelliprdquo I further interpreted(2003 version) 30531 Material Specifications similarly in that the ldquoPipe valvesfaucets couplingshelliprdquo must meet the requirements regardless of pressure while ldquohellipother pressure-containing partshelliprdquo meant ONLY the other parts that containedpressure Verbatim to 30511 is encountered in 2008 NFPA 30A Chapter 5paragraph 51 Scope The owner states his piping complies with the standard cited because it is gravity-fed hence no ldquopressurerdquo is seen by the piping components I maintain that thepiping system shall consist of metal pipe (or another material meeting therequirements of ASME B31 as allowed by 2003 NFPA 30531) to comply with NFPA30 and IFC Some assistance to resolve this problem is greatly appreciated I have attachedsome photographs for clarification Thanks for your attentionEric

Eric ActonFire MarshalCampbell County Fire Department 106 Rohan Avenue Gillette WY 82716 (307) 682-5319 ext 8912(307) 686-2222 Fax(307) 680-9612 Cell

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From Benedetti BobTo Howard Jim (Woodbridge)Cc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiBcc May PaulSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Monday June 28 2010 115100 AM

Good morning Mr Howard First I appreciate your patience with me while I reviewed the information sent to meby yourself and Mr Luby of Veeder-Root I wanted to ensure that I thoroughlyunderstood how the system functions in its line leak detection mode My understanding of the arrangement of the piping system from the pair ofunderground storage tanks is that the electronic line leak detector the PLLD tests thesupply piping from the two submersible pumps to the dispensers as a single system This includes the direct piping run from the master pump to the dispensers AND thepiping that connects the slave pump to the direct piping run The intent of Subsection 642 of the 2008 edition of NFPA 30A Code for Motor FuelDispensing Facilities and Repair Garages is to ensure that some type of leak detectiondevice monitors the piping from the submersible pump to the dispensers in such amanner that a leak in the piping leading to the dispensers or in the dispensersthemselves is detected and notification of a leak given Since the two pumps act intandem and since the entire piping system from the pumps to the dispensers ismonitored my personal opinion is that the intent of Subsection 642 is met andevaluation of the system described as being equivalent to what is required bySubsection 642 is reasonable Whether the system described meets the criteria of Section 15 Equivalency of NFPA30A must be determined by the authority having jurisdiction As NFPA Staff Liaison forNFPA 30A I cannot make such a determination under NFPArsquos Regulations GoverningCommittee Projects Please understand that this response is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 ofNFPArsquos Regulations Governing Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon todefinitively determine compliance with any laws ordinances rules or regulations Todetermine legal compliance you should refer to the appropriate authority havingjurisdiction or seek legal advice It is not intended nor should it be relied upon toprovide professional consultation or services To determine the adequacy or safety ofany device or installation you should consult with an appropriate professional I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write Iwill be happy to assist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant toNFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does notnecessarily represent the official position of the NFPA or its Technical Committees Inaddition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it be relied upon to provideprofessional consultation or services cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids Engineer

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National Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

If you have a reported fire in your home the risk of dyingdecreases by about 80 percent when sprinklers are present

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From Howard Jim (Woodbridge) [mailtoJHowardhesscom] Sent Monday June 14 2010 1144 AMTo Benedetti BobCc Howard Jim (Woodbridge) Bob Luby Subject Importance High Bob It was a pleasure talking to you this morning regarding the Line Leak Detection applicationin place at Hess Station 08501 - Milltown DE (drawing attached) as well as several thousandlocations worldwide Here is some background information on this installation

Site had 3 - 10000 gallon gasoline tanks 1 - 10000 Regular (87) 1 - 10000 Plus (89) 1 - 10000 Premium (93) prior to our Dispenser Replacement Project Because of theoverwhelming demand for Regular gasoline (887 in 2009) we converted the existingPlus tank to additional Regular storageDispensers were replaced with new Blend Dispensers Tanks were not manifoldedRegular and former-Plus product lines were manifolded at each dispenserWe installed Veeder-Root PLLDs (Electronic Line Leak Detectors) on the Regular 1and Premium STPs We installed a non-vented Swift Check on Regular 2 (formerPlus) STP Because the PLLD is vented we MUST install a non-vented swift check onRegular STP 2 in order to test the system as a wholeWe have demonstrated via post-construction testing that the system will pick up a 3gph leak

The State of DE has questioned our compliance with NFPA 30A 642 Each pump shallhave installed on the discharge side a listed leak detection device that will provide an audibleor visible indication if the piping or a dispenser is leaking Each leak-detecting device shallbe checked and tested at least annually according to the manufacturers specifications toensure proper installation and operation

Can you comment on whether the system shown on the attached and described above and onour call meets the NFPA requirement or if it meets the definition of Equivalency as definedin Chapter 15 - Equivalency Thank you in advance for your consideration in this matter Please do not hesitate to contactme if there are any questions or concerns on this application ThanksJim Howard RFMPManager Maintenance amp UST ComplianceHess Corporation732-750-6220 (office)800-903-4801 (Emergency Hotline)E-mail UST Inspections to USTCompliancehesscomFax UST Inspections to 866-435-6744

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From Benedetti BobTo Gary KostalCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiBcc May PaulSubject Inquiry NFPA 30 NFPA 30ADate Tuesday August 10 2010 43200 PM

Good afternoon Mr Kostal There are no provisions in NFPA 30 Flammable and Combustible Liquids Code togovern dispensing of motor fuels into motorized equipment and the devices youdescribe are not mentioned at all in NFPA 30 or in the only other related NFPAdocument that might apply NFPA 30A Code for Motor Fuel Dispensing Facilities andRepair Garages I cannot say that these units are either allowed or disallowed because neither NFPA30 nor NFPA 30A speaks about them The only provisions that might apply are the quantity limitations established in thesetwo codes depending on which code applies If the maintenance building is considered an industrial occupancy then Chapter 9 ofNFPA 30 establishes a maximum allowable quantity for of 120 gallons for Class Iliquids (The maximum allowable quantity is actually a threshold value Up to theMAQ compliance with NFPA 30 is not required above it NFPA 30 applies) If the maintenance building is considered a repair garage then NFPA 30A takesprecedence It also sets a 120 gallon limit on the maximum quantity of Class I liquid In both cases the quantity of fuel involved is 50 percent of the maximum allowed Myopinion is that there is no violation of either NFPA 30 or NFPA 30A Please understand that this response is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 ofNFPArsquos Regulations Governing Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon todefinitively determine compliance with any laws ordinances rules or regulations Todetermine legal compliance you should refer to the appropriate authority havingjurisdiction or seek legal advice It is not intended nor should it be relied upon toprovide professional consultation or services To determine the adequacy or safety ofany device or installation you should consult with an appropriate professional I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write Iwill be happy to assist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant toNFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does notnecessarily represent the official position of the NFPA or its Technical Committees Inaddition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it be relied upon to provideprofessional consultation or services cc 30IFI 30AIFI-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch Park

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Quincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg Important Notice This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPA RegulationsAny opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarily represent the officialposition of the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition this correspondence is neither intended norshould it be relied upon to provide professional consultation or services

Visit wwwfirepreventionweekorg or call 800-344-3555 for more information Check out FPW on social mediahellipwwwtwittercomfpw2010wwwfacebookcomfirepreventionweekhttpnfpatypepadcomfpw Check out NFPA onhellip

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From Gary Kostal [mailtogarykbloomingdalefirecom] Sent Monday August 09 2010 328 PMTo Benedetti BobSubject Looking for assistance - portable gas caddies Membership 2329840 Gary KostalFire Prevention DirectorBloomingdale Fire District Question (Non-formal opinion) I have a country club where they service a very large number of lawn maintenance equipment on a dailybasis They are utilizing a portable gas container (gas caddy) that holds approximately 30 gallons ofgasoline The unit is equipped with a hand style pump which is located on the top of the tank Fuel isdispensed from this tank as you crank the pump There are no nozzles located on the hose These gascaddies are being used inside their maintenance building which is fully fire sprinkled They are presentlyusing two of these devices inside the same building which is basically one days use

My question is are these devices allowed for this type of dispensing Are they required to be equippedwith a self closing nozzle What NFPA sections would apply to this particular type of device Thank you for your assistance in this matter

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From Benedetti BobTo SheldonSchallWisconsingovCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Wednesday September 30 2009 45929 PM

Good afternoon Sheldon I will here provide more detailed answers to your questions as posed in the email you sent to me today Section 30A-4323 limits tank storage capacity for Class I and II No limit for Class IIIA or IIIB

You are correct The intent of 4323 is to limit the capacities only of those tanks that storeClass I and II liquids Recall that when NFPA 30A initially allowed aboveground storage tanks atvehicle fueling sites biofuels were not in the picture just gasoline (Class I) and diesel fuel (ClassII) The Technical Committee at the time did not conceive that there would be the need to storeClass III fuels because there werenrsquot any The bottom line NFPA 30A does not limit the capacityof an aboveground storage tank that holds a motor fuel that is a Class III liquid

Section 30A-4324 refers to setbacks in Table 4324 No indication that these setbacks are specific toor exclude any class of flammable or combustible so it appears that the setbacks apply to Class I -Class IIIB liquids This table appears to conflict with the previous section for Class IIIA amp IIIB liquids

This is again correct that the separation distances in Table 4324 are not specific to anyparticular Class of liquid There is no conflict however 4323 deals with tank capacities 4324 deals with separation distances for the tanks Since 4324 does not specify anyparticular liquid class(es) it applies to ALL liquid classes

Section 30A-4325 allows an increased capacity for Class II and III liquids at fleet facilities Thisappears to conflict with section 4323 for Class III liquids which didnt have a capacity limit to startwith

Here there is a conflict or at least a serious inconsistency This provision was added one or twoeditions after 4323 and it appears that biofuels are beginning to be recognized It also appearsthat the intent here was to allow a relaxation of one limit in favor of a more liberal one Theproblem is the original limit doesnrsquot exist making it arguable that the application of 4325 toClass III liquids is meaningless Given the obvious intent here for some limit on Class III liquidfuels 4323 should be amended to include Class IIIs

Section 30A-4327 addresses dispensing from an aboveground tank for Class I and II liquids based uponspecific conditions

Paragraph 4322 is a hold-over dating back to when service stations were covered in Chapter 7of the old versions of NFPA 30 This set of requirements should also be amended to include ClassIIIs

Section 30A-4328 refers to NFPA 30-2171 for spill and overfill This section only applies to class Iand II liquids

While it is true that Subsection 2171 of NFPA 30 only applies to Classes I and II I do not believeit is a conflict for NFPA 30A to also apply it to Class III as well if the Technical Committee it isappropriate to do so However the language needs to be improved or an Annex item should beadded to explain the extrapolation and the reason for it

I will add this to the next meetingrsquos agenda for the Technical Committee on Automotive and MarineService Stations As usual the following applies Please understand that this response to your inquiry is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 of NFPArsquos RegulationsGoverning Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitively determine compliance with anylaws ordinances rules or regulations To determine the adequacy or safety of any device or installationyou should consult with an appropriate professional To determine legal compliance you should refer tothe appropriate authority having jurisdiction or seek legal advice

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I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will be happy toassist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarily represent the official positionof the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it berelied upon to provide professional consultation or services cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

Fire Prevention Week is October 4 ndash 10 2009 Visit wwwfirepreventionweekorg or call 800-344-3555 for moreinformation NFPA Seminars - Apply the codes with confidenceRegister at wwwnfpalearnorg NFPA Membership keeps you up-to-dateVisit wwwnfpaorgjoin for more information Or call 800-344-3555Notice The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for theexclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential andor privileged information If you are not the intendedrecipient please notify Robert Benedetti immediately by replying to the message or by calling (617) 984-7433 Please deletethis message and any attachments from your system Thank you Considering the variables in the sections referenced above are the setbacks in Table 4324 intended toapply to Class IIIA andor Class IIIB liquids for public fueling

From Schall Sheldon - COMMERCE [mailtoSheldonSchallWisconsingov] Sent Wednesday September 30 2009 832 AMTo Benedetti BobSubject NFPA 30A-4324 inquiry - URGENT Section 30A-4323 limits tank storage capacity for Class I and II No limit for Class IIIA or IIIB trueSection 30A-4324 refers to setbacks in Table 4324 No indication that these setbacks are specific toor exclude any class of flammable or combustible so it appears that the setbacks apply to Class I -Class IIIB liquids This table appears to conflict with the previous section for Class IIIA amp IIIB liquids Also trueSection 30A-4325 allows an increased capacity for Class II and III liquids at fleet facilities Thisappears to conflict with section 4323 for Class III liquids which didnt have a capacity limit to startwith Either one or the other needs to changeSection 30A-4327 addresses dispensing from an aboveground tank for Class I and II liquids based uponspecific conditions Need to cover IIIBSection 30A-4328 refers to NFPA 30-2171 for spill and overfill This section only applies to class Iand II liquids Class IIIs need to be specifically addressed Considering the variables in the sections referenced above are the setbacks in Table 4324 intended toapply to Class IIIA andor Class IIIB liquids for public fueling

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From Benedetti BobTo Bill HickmanCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Monday December 14 2009 50332 PM

Good afternoon Mr Hickman To answer your question the separation distances in Table 4324 of NFPA 30A Code for MotorFuel Dispensing Facilities and Repair Garages are intended to apply to outside abovegroundstorage tanks for fuel where such is allowed The tanks inside a service station building majorrepair garage or minor repair garage would likely be handling Class IIIB liquids (flash point gt200 degF) only in accordance with Subsection 4392 of NFPA 30A Subsection 4392 does not set any specific requirements for separation between tanks inside abuilding although it does refer back to Chapters 21 through 23 of NFPA 30 Flammable andCombustible Liquids Code Shell-to-shell spacing distances for aboveground tanks areestablished in Table 22421 Table 22421 is intended for much large tanks than one wouldfind in a repair garage or ldquolube-onlyrdquo facility For example the minimum separation for tanksstoring Class IIIB liquids is 3 feet as set forth in 224212 But again the separationdistances in Chapter 22 of NFPA 30 are intended for tank farm application not for the muchsmaller tanks found in the type of occupancy governed by NFPA 30A Also any facility meeting the requirements of NFPA 30A is considered to be in compliance withNFPA 30 Please understand that this response to your inquiry is a personal opinion and does notconstitute a Formal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 ofNFPArsquos Regulations Governing Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitivelydetermine compliance with any laws ordinances rules or regulations To determine theadequacy or safety of any device or installation you should consult with an appropriateprofessional To determine legal compliance you should refer to the appropriate authorityhaving jurisdiction or seek legal advice I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will behappy to assist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPARegulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarilyrepresent the official position of the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition thiscorrespondence is neither intended nor should it be relied upon to provide professional consultation orservices cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg If you have a reported fire in your home the risk of dyingdecreases by about 80 percent when sprinklers are present

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From Bill Hickman [mailtoBillHickmanstatecous] Sent Tuesday December 01 2009 939 AMTo Benedetti BobSubject Inquiry NFPA 30A - Storage of Liquids Inside Buildings Mr Benedetti Id appreciate your interpretation on an item regarding aboveground tanks storing lubricants (newused oil) inside abuilding at a repair garage NFPA 30A 439 does not include specific spacing requirements for tanks inside buildings Where there are multiple tanks being stored inside the building is there no minimum separation distance requirementthat must be met or do the requirements of Table 4324 apply Thank you in advance for your assistance __________________________________ Bill HickmanInspectorTechnical SpecialistCO Division of Oil amp Public Safety303-378-5090

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From Benedetti BobTo Peznowski EdwardCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Thursday September 03 2009 30455 PM

Hi Ed The 1996 edition of the Flammable and Combustible Liquids Code Handbook was the last one prior to thecurrent 2008 edition The commentary hasnrsquot changed My recollection of the development of this text is that the intent of NFPA 30A Code for Motor FuelDispensing Facilities and Repair Garages is to isolate the motor fuel dispensing area and its attendanthazard completely from the rest of the structure regardless of what else might be in the structure Subsection 524 assumes that the installation involves a motor fuel dispensing operation inside abuilding where you would not expect to have same such as an office building A bus repair facility wouldbe probably classed as a major repair garage and would be expected to have fueling operations Thehazard of this is in my opinion no greater than the repair operations It could be that the language in Subsection 524 needs to be clarified so that it applies only to situationssuch as I first described Please understand that this response to your inquiry is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 of NFPArsquos RegulationsGoverning Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitively determine compliance with anylaws ordinances rules or regulations To determine the adequacy or safety of any device or installationyou should consult with an appropriate professional To determine legal compliance you should refer tothe appropriate authority having jurisdiction or seek legal advice I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will be happy toassist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarily represent the official positionof the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it berelied upon to provide professional consultation or services cc 30AIFI 30AFAQ AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

Fire Prevention Week is October 4 ndash 10 2009 Visit wwwfirepreventionweekorg or call 800-344-3555 for moreinformation NFPA Seminars - Apply the codes with confidenceRegister at wwwnfpalearnorg NFPA Membership keeps you up-to-dateVisit wwwnfpaorgjoin for more information Or call 800-344-3555Notice The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for the

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exclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential andor privileged information If you are not the intendedrecipient please notify Robert Benedetti immediately by replying to the message or by calling (617) 984-7433 Please deletethis message and any attachments from your system Thank you

From Peznowski Edward [mailtoEdwardPeznowskipostatectus] Sent Monday August 31 2009 127 PMTo Benedetti BobSubject NFPA 30A Hi Bob Sorry to bother you but I need your help and interpretation of the following section of NFPA 30A 2000edition 524 - All piping inside buildings but outside the motor fuel dispensing area shall be enclosed within ahorizontal chase or a vertical shaft used only for this piping Vertical shafts and horizontal chases shall beconstructed of materials having a fire resistance rating of not less than 2 hours Bob I have a bus repair facility being built and we have fuel dispensing area within the building enclosedwith a 2hr fire resistive separation My question is I have diesel fuel piping coming from two tanks locatedoutside of the building the piping runs outside of the dispensing area does this piping need to be enclosed Ihave the proper UL listed system for through wall penetrations My problem lies here I have natural gas heating fuel oil lines for boilers and diesel fuel line for thegenerator all running through the area outside the 2 hour rated dispensing area which are not required to beenclosed My thought is within the 2 hour fire resistive construction I have storage rooms for grease and oil a office forfuel dispensing Any fuel piping running through these areas would be enclosed but once I go outside my 2hrrated enclosure the piping would not have to be enclosed NFPA 30A (1996edition)6-42 - All fuel and flammable vapor piping inside buildings but outside the service station area shall beenclosed within a horizontal chase or a vertical shaft used only for this piping Vertical shafts and horizontalchases shall be constructed of materials having a fire resistance rating of not less than 2 hoursCOMMENTARY 6-42 The intent of this requirement is to preserve the isolation of the service stationoperation from the rest of the building I donrsquot have the 2000 handbook for commentary Thanks Bob Edward J PeznowskiFire amp Life Safety SpecialistBureau of EngineeringOffice State Fire Marshal860-685-8350

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From Benedetti BobTo Hamilton James P (HOY)Cc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiSubject Inquiry NFPA 30A-2008Date Monday September 14 2009 115041 AM

Good morning Mr Hamilton The intent of this particular provision of Subsection 672 of NFPA 30A Code for Motor Fuel DispensingFacilities and Repair Garages is to ensure that the patron has access to a second disconnect if he or shecannot reach the primary disconnect ie the one that is between 20 and 100 feet from the dispenser In my opinion all of the emergency disconnects required by Section 67 must be at least 20 ft but normore than 100 ft from the nearest dispenser Please understand that this response to your inquiry is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 of NFPArsquos RegulationsGoverning Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitively determine compliance with anylaws ordinances rules or regulations To determine the adequacy or safety of any device or installationyou should consult with an appropriate professional To determine legal compliance you should refer tothe appropriate authority having jurisdiction or seek legal advice I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will be happy toassist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarily represent the official positionof the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it berelied upon to provide professional consultation or services cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

Fire Prevention Week is October 4 ndash 10 2009 Visit wwwfirepreventionweekorg or call 800-344-3555 for moreinformation NFPA Seminars - Apply the codes with confidenceRegister at wwwnfpalearnorg NFPA Membership keeps you up-to-dateVisit wwwnfpaorgjoin for more information Or call 800-344-3555Notice The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for theexclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential andor privileged information If you are not the intendedrecipient please notify Robert Benedetti immediately by replying to the message or by calling (617) 984-7433 Please deletethis message and any attachments from your system Thank you

From Hamilton James P (HOY) [mailtoHAMILTONJPbechteljacobsorg] Sent Thursday September 10 2009 1224 PMTo Benedetti BobSubject NFPA 30A 2008 Edition

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Importance High

NFPA 30A 672 states at least one additional device or disconnect shall be readily accessible toeach group of dispensing devices on an individual island Our installation does not have islands Should the second emergency shutoff be installed close to the pumps or between 20 and 100 ofthe pumps

Please respond back via email hamiltonjpbechteljacobsorg

Thanks

NFPA 127130 James P Hamilton CFPSTetraTek Inc - Fire Safety TechnologiesFire Protection LeadK-27 Pre-Demo Project 790 Emory Valley Rd 811 Oak Ridge TN 37830 ETTP Office 865-241-1902

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From Benedetti BobTo Scott DavonskiCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Tuesday August 04 2009 92429 AM

Good morning Mr Davonski My opinion is that the intent of the requirement in Subsection 1141 of NFPA 30A Code for Motor FuelDispensing Facilities and Repair Garages is that any hose longer than 18 feet should not simply bestrung along the dockrsquos surface Using a reel would be one means of securing the hose although Irsquomsure other methods such as hangers would work as well Please understand that this response to your inquiry is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 of NFPArsquos RegulationsGoverning Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitively determine compliance with anylaws ordinances rules or regulations To determine the adequacy or safety of any device or installationyou should consult with an appropriate professional To determine legal compliance you should refer tothe appropriate authority having jurisdiction or seek legal advice I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will be happy toassist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarily represent the official positionof the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it berelied upon to provide professional consultation or services cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

Fire Prevention Week is October 4 ndash 10 2009 Visit wwwfirepreventionweekorg or call 800-344-3555 for moreinformation NFPA Seminars - Apply the codes with confidenceRegister at wwwnfpalearnorg NFPA Membership keeps you up-to-dateVisit wwwnfpaorgjoin for more information Or call 800-344-3555Notice The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for theexclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential andor privileged information If you are not the intendedrecipient please notify Robert Benedetti immediately by replying to the message or by calling (617) 984-7433 Please deletethis message and any attachments from your system Thank you

From Scott Davonski [mailtodavonskiRiverheadlicom] Sent Wednesday July 22 2009 1118 AMTo Benedetti BobSubject 30A clarification

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1141 All hose shall be listed Where hose length exceeds 55 m (18 ft) the hose shall besecured so as to protect it from damage Can you provide clarification as to what is meant by ldquosecured so as to protect it fromdamagerdquo Is the standard looking not to have the hoses on the dock In a reel Any clarificationinformation would be appreciated Scott W DavonskiChief Fire MarshalTown of RiverheadP- 631-727-3200 ext 209F- 631-727-3370

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Page 12: TECHNICAL COMMITTEE ON AUTOMOTIVE and MARINE … · SUBJECT: Agenda for ROC Meeting – October 4, 2010 _____ Ladies and Gentlemen: Attached is the Agenda for the NFPA 30A Report

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ldquo681 Dispensing devices that incorporate vapor recovery shall be listed for the specific fuels being dispensed (See A63221) 682 Hose nozzle valves used on vapor recovery systems shall be listed for the purpose and for the specific fuels being dispensed (See A63221)rdquo

6 Add a new entry to Table B1 Typical Flammable and Combustible Liquids Found at Motor Fuel Dispensing Facilities to read as follows

ldquoAlcohol Blended Motor Fuel -40 degF ndash 55 degF Class IB varies nardquo A6321 proposed 6231 and its annex all becomes annex material gtgtgt New lead-in Where modifications are made 2 Add a new Subsection 623 and an accompanying annex text to read as follows A6322 Where dispensing devices and related dispensing equipment including dispensers hoses nozzles breakaway fittings swivels flexible connectors dispenser emergency shutoff valves and vapor recovery systems and pumps are propose for use for alcohol blended motor fuels they should be listed Where there is currently no listing see 15 for equivalencies Section 15 permits the authority having jurisdiction to approve non-listed components for the specific for the specific fuel being dispensed Where the authority having jurisdiction approves the use of a dispensing device or related dispensing equipment for use with alcohol blended motor fuels the approval of the dispensing device and related dispensing equipment could include the following (1) The dispensing device and related dispensing equipment shall be listed for dispensing of gasoline motor fuel and (2) The dispensing device and related dispensing equipment shall be periodically inspected by a person who is knowledgeable in the operation of the equipment to verify that it is in proper working order and is not leaking as described in (a) and (b) (a) A visual inspection of the fuel dispenser and its associated hanging hardware shall be conducted ldquoHanging hardwarerdquo shall include the following components that might be present hose nozzle valve hose breakaway valve and hose swivel Inspections shall be conducted at least weekly and shall be documented Documentation shall be available for review by the authority having jurisdiction upon request (b) An inspection of the fuel-dispensing equipment that is located inside the dispenser cabinet shall be conducted The interior of the dispenser cabinet shall be inspected for signs of leaks damage corrosion or weathering with particular attention to the sump area and joints and castings of fuel handling components The inspection shall be conducted at least monthly and shall be documented Documentation shall be available for review by the authority having jurisdiction upon request NEEDS TO TELL WHAT TO DO BEYOND MERE DOCUMENTATION ALSO NEED TO REPLACE ldquoPERIODICrdquo WITH FIRM TIME A623 See UL SU87A Outline for Power-Operated Dispensing Devices for Gasoline and GasolineEthanol Blends with Nominal Concentrations up to 85 Percent

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A6231 The authority having jurisdiction is provided with the ability to approve for use with mid-level alcohol blended motor fuels (eg E15 15 percent ethanol 85 percent unleaded gasoline) dispensing devices and related dispensing equipment currently listed for use with E10 (10 percent ethanol 90 percent unleaded gasoline) Approval of the dispensing device or related dispensing equipment for use with alcohol blended motor fuel requires that the dispensing device and related dispensing equipment be listed for use with E10 and that periodic inspection be conducted to verify that the equipment is functioning properly Useful forms for documenting inspections can be found in PEIRP500-05 Recommended Practices for Inspection and Maintenance of Motor Fuel Dispensing Equipment and are also available at wwwpeiorgrp500 In addition the authority having jurisdiction may take into account other factors including actual field experience evidence of compatibility (eg manufacturerrsquos declaration) and functionality by government agencies trade associations and testing laboratories Underwriters Laboratories Inc has listed dispensing devices and related dispensing equipment for alcohol blended motor fuels up to E10 and more recently has begun listing dispensing devices for alcohol blended motor fuels up to E25 (25 percent ethanol 75 percent unleaded gasoline) However the majority of existing dispensing devices and related dispensing equipment currently in service at motor fuel dispensing facilities are not listed for use with alcohol blended motor fuels with more than 10 percent ethanol While higher alcohol blended motor fuels (eg E85 85 percent ethanol 15 percent unleaded gasoline) are typically sold as an alternative to E10 the mid-level alcohol blended motor fuels such as E15 if approved by the U S Environmental Protection Agency might likely become a replacement for current motor fuels either through state or federal mandates or because of supply chain restrictions In order to maintain the supply of motor fuel this might require the sale of mid-level blends through the existing dispensing devices and related dispensing equipmentrdquo

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Report on Comments ndash June 2011 NFPA 30A_______________________________________________________________________________________________30A- Log 6

_______________________________________________________________________________________________John F Bender Underwriters Laboratories Inc

30A-6Revise text as follows

Underwriters Laboratories Inc 333 Pfingsten Road Northbrook IL 60062-2096UL 87 Standard for Power-Operated Dispensing Devices for Petroleum Products 2001 Revised 2008ANSIUL 842 Standard for Valves for Flammable Fluids 2007 Revised 2010UL 2080 Standard for Fire Resistant Tanks for Flammable and Combustible Liquids 2000ANSIUL 2085 Standard for Protected Aboveground Tanks for Flammable and Combustible Liquids 1997 Revised

1999UL 2245 Standard for Below-Grade Vaults for Flammable Liquid Storage Tanks 2006

Updated referenced standards to most recent revisions Add ANSI approval designation to ANSIUL842 and ANSIUL 2085

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Report on Comments ndash June 2011 NFPA 30A_______________________________________________________________________________________________30A- Log 4

_______________________________________________________________________________________________Marshall A Klein Marshall A Klein amp Associates Inc

30A-7Revise text to read as follows

331 Basement Basement For the purposes of this code a story of a building or structure having one-half or more ofits height below ground level and to which access for fire-fighting purposes is restricted [302008] Any story of a buildingwholly or partly below grade plane that is not considered the first story above grade plane (Also see 33X ldquoFirst StoryAbove Grade Planerdquo 33Y ldquoGrade Planerdquo and 33Z ldquoStoryrdquo) [5000 2009]33X First Story Above Grade Plane Any story having its finished floor surface entirely above grade plane except

that a basement shall be considered as a first story above grade plane where the finished surface of the floor above thebasement is (1) more than 6 ft (1830 mm) above grade plane or (2) more than 12 ft (3660 mm) above the finished levelat any point (See also 33Z ldquoStoryrdquo) [5000 2009]33Z Story The portion of a building located between the upper surface of a floor and the upper surface of the floor or

roof next above [5000 2009]33Y Grade Plane A reference plane representing the average of the finished ground level adjoining the building at all

exterior walls When the finished ground level slopes down from the exterior walls the grade plane is established by thelowest points within the area between the building and the lot line or when the lot line is more than 6 ft (1830 mm) fromthe building between the building and a point 6 ft (1830 mm) from the building (See also 33W ldquoFinished Ground Level(Graderdquo) [5000 2009]33W Finished Ground Level (Grade) The level of the finished ground (earth or other surface on ground) (See also33Y ldquoGrade Planerdquo) [5000 2009]

The Committeersquos substantiation for this Committee Proposal was ldquoThis definition is the preferreddefinition from the NFPA Glossary of Terms Changing the secondary definition to the preferred definition complies withthe Glossary of Terms Projectrdquo Also the Committeersquos statement said in part ldquohellipThe key issue relative to NFPA 30A issafe access to and evacuation from the basement area by emergency responders during an emergencyrdquo

Since the first edition of the NFPA 5000 Building Code the NFPA 30A Committee has attempted to be in correlationwith NFPA 5000 and the other Model Building Code in the the United States IBC The dispensing facilities and repairgarage buildings constructed under the NFPA 30A are also required to comply with the local building code which will beeither NFPA 5000 or IBC The proposed definition for ldquobasementrdquo that is taken from NFPA 30 is more suited for thelarger flammable and combustible types of facilities built under NFPA 30 not the service centersrepair garages builtunder NFPA 30A and the building codes

NFPA 30A should stay with its present position to correlate with the definition for a ldquobasementrdquo with NFPA 5000ldquoBuilding Construction and safety Coderdquo and not replace this definition with the one that is in NFPA 30 ldquoFlammable andCombustible Liquids Coderdquo

The term ldquobasementrdquo is only used in the NFPA 30A Code in Section 423 that deals with ignitable vapors in abasement or pit and Section 746 that applies when sprinklers are required to be installed in the basement of a majorrepair garage The two NFPA 30A sections on basements relate more to the application of the requirements in NFPA5000 and IBC than to the requirements in NFPA 30 ldquoFlammable and Combustible Liquids Coderdquo As I have notedabove during the development of the NFPA 5000 Building Code the NFPA 30A Committee was very careful tocorrelate its requirements with NFPA 5000 NFPA 101 amp IBC so that there would be minimum conflicts in theapplication of the requirements of NFPA 30A with these other Codes that greatly impact the design and construction ofMotor Fuel Dispensing Facilities and Repair Garages The definition of ldquobasementrdquo is critically important forbuilding design and should be correlated with the building codes used throughout the US and we should not use adifferent definition for basement that would cause confusion and cost in the design and application of the NFPA 30Arequirements where NFPA 5000 NFPA 101 or IBC Codes are also adopted

I have also included the addition of the definitions of ldquoFirst Story Above Grade Planerdquo ldquoStoryrdquo ldquoGrade Planerdquo andldquoFinished Ground Level (Grade)rdquo from NFPA 5000 to provide complete correlation on these building definitions withNFPA 5000 and the IBC For individuals using NFPA 30A that are only used to working with NFPA 30 these definitions

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Report on Comments ndash June 2011 NFPA 30Amay seem like overkill but to the great majority of code officials designers and owners of these types of dispensingfacilities and repair garages correlation of these terms with NFPA 5000 and IBC are critical to prevent major conflictsdelays and cost increases in interpretations and applications of code requirements between the building departmentsand fire departments

In summation based on the two sections in NFPA 30A that cover a ldquobasementrdquo requirement it serves the public interestbetter to use the ldquobasementrdquo definition and its related building definitions from NFPA 5000 to properly correlate with themodel buildings codes not NFPA 30

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Report on Comments ndash June 2011 NFPA 30A_______________________________________________________________________________________________30A- Log 1

_______________________________________________________________________________________________Alex Ralston Petcon Inc

NARevise text to read as follows

Means shall be provided to sound an audible alarm when the liquid level in the tank reaches 90 percent of capacityMeans shall also be provided either to automatically stop the flow of liquid into the tank when the liquid level reaches 98percent capacity or to restrict the flow of liquid into the tank to a maximum flow rate of 95L min (25 gpm) when theliquid level in the tank reaches 95 percent capacityThe federal underground storage tank rules state that means shall be provided to stop the flow of liquid into the tank

when the liquid reaches 95 percent capacity or restrict the flow into the tank when the liquid level reaches 90 percentcapacity

None given

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Report on Comments ndash June 2011 NFPA 30A_______________________________________________________________________________________________30A- Log 2

_______________________________________________________________________________________________Alex Ralston Petcon Inc

NARevise text to read as follows

On remote pressure pumping systems each pump shall have installed on the discharge side a listed leak detectiondevice that will provide an audible or visible indication if the piping and dispensing devices are not liquid tight Replace with device that will either restrict the flow of product to the dispenser or shut-off the flow of product to

indicate if the piping and dispensing devices are liquid tightThe explanation attempts to explain the federal underground storage tank regulations however the

regulation that provides for an audible or visible alarm relates to overfill prevention in federal regulations not leakdetectionThe regulations on leak detection for pressurized piping in the explanation are correct but if youll note nowhere in the

explanation is audible or visual alarms mentioned

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Report on Comments ndash June 2011 NFPA 30A_______________________________________________________________________________________________30A- Log 8

_______________________________________________________________________________________________Robert Bourke Northeastern Regional Fire Code Development Committee

30A-42Revise to read 623 Fuel-dispensing systems including dispensers hoses nozzleshelliphelliphellip

blended motor fuels shall be listed or approved for the specific purposeThis requirement should only be stating that the equipment is listed for the specific purpose

ldquoApprovedrdquo by definition means ldquoacceptable to the AHJrdquoToo often a Standard may misuse the word ldquoapprovedrdquo in order to not exclude other listing organizations that publish

its list in a document that they refer to as an ldquoApproval Guiderdquo Regardless the document is still a listing

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Report on Comments ndash June 2011 NFPA 30A_______________________________________________________________________________________________30A- Log 3

_______________________________________________________________________________________________David B Wechsler The Dow Chemical Company

30A-34Revise and add new sentences shown under 831 and A831 and modify Table 831 as

indicated831 Table 831 shall be used to delineate and classify areas for the purposes of installing electrical wiring and

electrical utilization equipment (See also Figure 831) WARNING The US National Electrical Code has differentequipment and installation requirements from other International Standards Therefore for example equipment used inEurope may not be acceptable for installation in the USA831 The designation and decision installation and use of electrical equipment for Classes and Divisions in

hazardous (classified) locations are defined Article 500 501 and 504 of NFPA 70 National Electrical Code Thedesignation and design installation and use of electrical equipment for Classes and Zones in hazardous (classified)locations are defined in Article 505 and 504 of NFPA 70 National Electrical Code The designation and designinstallation and use of electrical equipment in lsquoZonesrsquo Zone 0 Zone 1 and Zone 2 are addressed in other internationalstandardsWithin Table 831 add a new column titled ldquoZones and copy the information from the Class I Zone column into this

new columnAlternatively to all of the above remove the ldquoZonesrdquo column completely from Table 831

While the stated intent of this proposal is understood as being to try and deal with the internationalnature of applying NFPA 30A there are problems with the approach presented by a simple extraction from the NECFirst as presented the new column only addresses the US Zone methodology The US Zone methodology for

flammable vapor gases liquids and combustible vapors and liquids is identified by the terms lsquoClass I Zone 0rsquo lsquoClass IZone 1rsquo and lsquoClass I Zone 2rsquo However under the IEC or ATEX (aka Europe International) the terms are simply lsquoZone0rsquo lsquoZone 1rsquo or lsquoZone 2rsquo Therefore the table revision is not correct for international useSecond this TIA and proposal was to lsquoincorporate the (European) Zone System of designating hazardous (classified)

locations and the allowable wiring methods and electrical utilization devices that can be used in themrsquo However the USNEC is not an international code Thus while the US NEC Article 505 does permit the use of the Class I Zonemethodology adding this column in NFPA 30A does not address the more complex nature of the design and installationproblems associated with Zone certified equipment in the US The NEC under Article 5059 Equipment provides for theuse of only AEx equipment as may be seen for example under paragraph ldquo(2) Zone Equipment Equipment meeting oneor more of the protection techniques described in 5058 shall be marked with all of the following in the order shown(1) Class(2) Zone(3) Symbol ldquoAExrdquo(4) Protection technique(s) in accordance with Table 5059(C)(2)(4)(5) Applicable gas classification group(s) in accordance with Table 9(C)(1)(2)Without adding additional text usersinspectors etc may think using Zones is just like using the Division methodology

This is not true and equipment not otherwise permitted under the US NEC may be installed because of the impliedactions currently reflected in this proposal This is a significant issue

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Report on Comments ndash June 2011 NFPA 30A_______________________________________________________________________________________________30A- Log 9

_______________________________________________________________________________________________Donald R Offerdahl North Dakota State Electrical Board

30A-36Insert figure for 831(B)

Insert Artwork Figure 831(A) and 831(B) Here

Proposal 30A-36 should have been accepted in principal these types of storage tanks and dispensersare widely used in farms construction sites and business fleet operations

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Report on Comments ndash June 2011 NFPA 30A_______________________________________________________________________________________________30A- Log 5

_______________________________________________________________________________________________Mindy Wang Ampco Safety Tools

30A-39Not proposing new text Please see comment in Substantiation

Although procedures for cleanup of spills is not within the scope of NFPA 30A we feel compelled toaddress API 2214 referenced by the Committee Information presented below shows API 2214 is misleading andundermines safe work practices In fact API 2214 conflicts with OSHA regulations Accredited Standards Developerrsquosstandards and safe work practices FM Approvals LLC formerly Factory Mutual Research Corporation (FM) is an international organization recognized

by the US government as a Nationally Recognized Testing Laboratory (NRTL) for scientific research and productcertification Product approval from a NRTL assures that products meet consensus-based standards of safety to providethe assurance required by OSHA that these products are safe for use in the United States workplace FM ApprovalStandard 7910 Spark Resistant Tools is used as guidance to evaluate tools intended for use in environments wherethere is a risk of ignition of flammable materials dusts or vapors resulting from sparks created by iron and steel handtools These tools prevent the ignition of flammable materials dusts or vapors by mechanical sparks created by the useof iron and steel hand tools slipping or striking a surface American Petroleum Institute (API) Publication 2214contradicts NRTL research and product certification as evidence in FM Approvals granted for spark resistance toolsFM has conducted tests of Ampco Safety Tools as covered in Report Job Identification No IN4A0AF in accordancewith the requirements of Safety Tools Approval Test Procedure Class 7910 and test results show

Sparks created from steel plates ignited carbon disulfide saturated pads eight of eight tests ethyl ether pads fiveof eight tests and naphtha VMampP four of eight tests

No sparks were observed and no ignition of the flammable liquids mentioned above from approved Ampco SafetyTools Other investigations also contradict APIrsquos conclusion on non-sparking tools A paper published in the Fire Protection

Journal ldquoThe Danger of Incendive Sparksrdquo stated that after APIrsquos conclusion on ldquonon-sparkingrdquo tools Institute ofPetroleum sought the advice of the Fire Research Board Committee on Industrial Fires and Explosion This committeecame to certain conclusions one of which was ldquoUntilhellipevidence is obtained to show that the impact of steel hand toolson steel is safe it is advisable to use non-sparking tools in situations where flammable atmospheres are unavoidablerdquo The NFPA Fire Protection Handbook 20th edition published in January 2008 does not support the conclusion that

API 2214 represents In fact many NFPA codes the use of ldquonon-sparkingrdquo tools in flammable atmospheresAccording to NFPA Fire Protection Handbook ldquoWhen flammable and combustible liquids are stored or handled theliquid is usually exposed to the air at some stage in the operation except where the storage is confined to sealedcontainers that are not filled or opened on the premises or where handling is in closed systems and vapor losses arerecovered Even when the storage or handling is in a closed system there is always the possibility of breaks or leakswhich permit the liquid to escape It is a to eliminate sources of ignition in places where low flashpointflammable liquids are stored handled or used even though no vapor may ordinarily be presentrdquo NFPA 921 Guide for Fire and Explosion Investigations 2008 Edition Chapter 5 Basic Fire Science Table 5711

Reported Burning and Sparking Temperature of Selected Ignition Sources under Mechanical Sparks lists a Steel tooltemperature at 2550degF When working with flammable gases liquids or vapors a potential hazard arises because of thepossibility that sparks produced by steel or iron tools can become an ignition source OSHA Flammable and Combustible Liquids regulation 29 CFR Parts 1910106(b) on tank storage paragraph

1910106(b)(6) states that precaution shall be taken to eliminate or control sources of ignitions including frictional heatand mechanical sparks to prevent the ignition of flammable vapors In OSHA regulation 29 CFR 1910146 Permit-Required Confined Spaces Appendix D Confined Space Pre-Entry

Check List non-sparking tool is listed as one type of entry equipment OSHA 29 CFR 1910146 StandardInterpretations Interpretative guidance and equipment approved for hazardous locations relative to the Permit-RequiredConfined Spaces states that ldquohellipthe standard does not prohibit entry into a permit space where a hazardous flammableatmosphere is at or above the 10 LFL For concentrations at or above 10 LFL paragraph (d) would theemployer to incorporate safe work procedures to address the flammableexplosive hazard (such as equipment approvedfor hazardous locations) in the entry plan for those spaces Electrical equipment as well as other sources of ignition(non-sparking hand tools) be considered and addressed for the hazardous atmosphererdquo OSHA regulation 29 CFR Parts 1910120 Hazardous waste operations and emergency response paragraph

1910120(j)(2)(v) requires that ldquoWhen there is a reasonable possibility of flammable atmospheres being present

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Report on Comments ndash June 2011 NFPA 30Amaterial handling equipment and hand tools shall be of the type to prevent sources of ignition EPA has identifiedsolvents such as xylene acetone ethyl acetate ethyl benzene and ethyl ether commonly used in all industries (theF-list) and discarded commercial chemical products such as acetone benzene ethyl ether and xylene (the P-list andU-list) as ignitable hazardous wastes API members such as ExxonMobil and Chevron as well as others in the petroleum industry such as Valero CITGO

Petroleum Corporation Chem-Supply Pty Ltd Irving Oil Ltd Petrol Star Inc Nova Chemicals and El Paso Corporationregularly the use of ldquonon-sparkingrdquo tools under Accidental Release Measures and Handling and Storage sectionsin the MSDSrsquos for their petroleum products These companies clearly recognize the need for ldquonon-sparkingrdquo tools inworking with and around flammable materials API 2214 Section 12 Background ldquohellipthese engineers pointed out that although numerous opportunities existed for

the production of sparks from violent contact of steel objects with other steel objects there was a negligible record offires resulting from such a causerdquo On the contrary there are a number of documented incidents involving flammablevapors ignited by steel sparks from tools A few examples are as follows

OSHA inspection 300965795 an employee in the process of cleaning loose material from drill piping with ametal hammer While striking the pipe with a hammer an explosion occurred Employee was killed in the explosion onsite

OSHA inspection 2272953 two employees were assigned the job of tending a 100 gallon (water jacket) reactorkettle of methyl methacrylate in the mixing room Employee 1 used a metal wrench (visegrips) to pry open the cover ofa kettle The wrench handle struck the angle iron support for the agitator motor producing a spark Employee 2noticed the spark which was immediately followed by a massive ldquofire ballrdquo Both employees were engulfed in thefireball Employee 3 came to the area to assist the other employees The investigation states that non-sparking toolswere not provided for the employees All three employees received first and second degree burns on their face armsand abdomen Employee 2 also received some third degree burns All three employees were hospitalized

OSHA inspection 124728437 Employee 1 and a coworker both maintenance mechanics were working in a 30inch by 36 inch manhole at a gas station Employee 1 was trying to change a fuel pump while the coworker watchedfrom outside the manhole Employee 1 was using an Allen wrench to loosen the bolts on the fuel pump lead when hecreated a spark that ignited the gas fumes in the manhole causing an explosion Employee 1 suffered burns to hisface hands arms and legs in the explosion and was hospitalized

OSHA inspection 111109237 Employee 1 or 3 attempted to cut a metal pipe with a metal saw whileEmployee 2 was standing on top of one of two 5000 gallon gas tanks trying to remove a tank fitting Sparks from thesaw the pipe wrench or another unknown source ignited the gas vapors which exploded Employees 1 and 3 werekilled of burns at the scene Employee 2 died at the burn center as a result of burns sustained in the explosion

OSHA inspection 102826625 Employee 1 worked for a company that cleans paints and replaces valves in LPand MAPP gas cylinders Before removing an old valve Employee 1 would open the valve to let the residual gas leakout on the loading dock Where there was a large quantity of cylinders Employee 1 would invert the cylinder so theresidual gas could vent faster Employee 1 had an accumulation of a gas and air mixture around his work area Thevapors were ignited either by a spark from the metal screwdriver he was using to open a damaged valve or by an openflame burner approximately 40 feet away There was a fire and explosion The employee sustained 2nd and 3rd degreeburns on the lower half of his body and was hospitalized

OSHA inspection 607366 an employee was sawing an airplane wing into sections with a portable powered handsaw the saw created a spark that caused an explosion of gasoline vapors in the wing fuel tank Employee 1 killed andEmployee 2 injured in explosion and was hospitalized

OSHA inspection 309178523 employer was cited for violating Section 5(a)(1) of the Occupational Safety andHealth Act of 1970 often referred to as the General Duty Clause which requires employers to furnish to each of hisemployees employment and a place of employment which are free from recognized hazards that are causing or arelikely to cause death or serious physical harm to his employees for exposing employee to an explosion hazard byopening the hydrogen tube trailer main valve without using non-sparking tools

OSHA inspection 304994304 employer was cited for violating Section 5(a)(1) of the Occupational Safety andHealth Act of 1970 violation for exposing employee to a fireexplosion hazard while performing maintenance operationson LP gas tanks with ferrous tools One feasible and acceptable abatement method to correct this hazard is toimplement the use of non- sparking toolsThe Report of the BP US Refineries independent Safety Review Panel also known as the Baker Panel Report states

that ldquoPreventing process accidents requires vigilance The passing of time without a process accident is not necessarilyan indicator that all is well and may contribute to a dangerous and growing sense of complacencyrdquo This sample ofOSHA documented events illustrates accidents do happen when proper safety measures are not taken againstmechanical sparks from steel tools as a possible ignition sourceHaving said that we appreciate the Committeersquos time and agree with the Committee that procedures for cleanup of

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Report on Comments ndash June 2011 NFPA 30Aspills is not within the scope of NFPA 30A

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Report on Comments ndash June 2011 NFPA 30A_______________________________________________________________________________________________30A- Log 7

_______________________________________________________________________________________________Robert Bourke Northeastern Regional Fire Code Development Committee

30A-19Add a new section to read 11721 Where approved by the Authority Having Jurisdiction piers

that extend more than 152 m (500 ft) in travel distance from shore shall be permitted to provide a Class I standpipe thatis installed in accordance with NFPA 14 Standard for the Installation of Standpipe and Hose Systems

The TC missed the point in the substantiation of the proposalIt was not the intent of the proposal to obtain additional flexibility of FD use over that which is provided by a Class III

standpipe system The intent of the proposal was to provide relief from the requirement where the local AHJ feels thatthe effectiveness and likelihood of occupant use of fire hoses does not justify the added risk to the occupant or theinstallation and maintenance costs associated with the requisite hose for a Class III system A Class I system would stillprovide FD fire fighting capabilities in jurisdictions where the AHJ prefers occupants to evacuate and not attempt to fightfires beyond portable fire extinguisher capability

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From Benedetti BobTo bcotnerswriorgCc Harrington Greg Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiBcc May PaulSubject Inquiry NFPA 30 amp NFPA 30ADate Thursday July 08 2010 121900 PM

Good Morning Mr Cotner Greg Harrington asked that I respond to your question about the proper use ofintermediate bulk containers Actually an intermediate bulk container is a shipping vessel that must meetrequirements and specifications of the U S Department of Transportation for shippingmaterials from Point A to Point B It is not intended to be a storage vessel althoughthe liquid contained is obviously dispensed from the vessel for use Dispensing of motor fuels is covered by NFPA 30A Code for Motor Fuel DispensingFacilities and Repair Garages NFPA 30A states in Subsection 421 421 Liquids shall be stored in the following(1) Approved closed containers that do not exceed 227 L (60 gal) capacity and arelocated outside buildings(2) Tanks or approved closed containers located inside motor fuel dispensingfacilities or repair garages(3) Aboveground tanks underground tanks and containers in accordance with therequirements of Section 43(4) Tanks supplying marine service stations in accordance with Section 112 Section 43 states the following 432 Aboveground Storage Tanks Except as modified by the provisions of thissubsection aboveground storage tanks shall meet all applicable requirements ofChapters 21 through 23 and 27 of NFPA 30 Flammable and Combustible Liquids Code So in accordance with NFPA 30A Subsection 421(3) indicates that abovegroundstorage of motor fuel must be in a tank that meets the provisions of Section 43 Thelatter in turn references the Chapters in NFPA 30 that deal with fixed storage tanks Nowhere in these chapters is there any reference to an intermediate bulk container Chapter 9 of NFPA 30 does recognize an intermediate bulk container for warehouse-type storage of Class I flammable liquids but does not anticipate continual dispensingand use One could evaluate an intermediate bulk container as a means of long-term storageand dispensing of liquids under the Equivalency clause My opinion is that an intermediate bulk container is not considered a substitute for anaboveground storage tank but this is not specifically stated in the relevant codes This issue will be added to the agendas for the Technical Committees involved Please understand that this response is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 ofNFPArsquos Regulations Governing Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon todefinitively determine compliance with any laws ordinances rules or regulations Todetermine legal compliance you should refer to the appropriate authority havingjurisdiction or seek legal advice It is not intended nor should it be relied upon toprovide professional consultation or services To determine the adequacy or safety ofany device or installation you should consult with an appropriate professional

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I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write Iwill be happy to assist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant toNFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does notnecessarily represent the official position of the NFPA or its Technical Committees Inaddition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it be relied upon to provideprofessional consultation or services cc 30IFI 30AIFI AUVNM FLCSWCNM FLCTANNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

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From Harrington Greg Sent Wednesday July 07 2010 350 PMTo Benedetti BobSubject FW Intermediate Bulk Containers Hi Bob Can you answer the question below Hersquos a friend of mine former inspector with San Antonio FD when Iworked down there now a safety guy at SWRI Thanks a lot --Greg

From Bill Cotner [mailtobcotnerswriorg] Sent Wednesday July 07 2010 332 PMTo Harrington GregSubject Intermediate Bulk Containers Hey Greg howrsquos the heat in Boston here it is a balmy 93 enjoying it I have a question probably out ofyour area but Irsquom sure you know who to route it to We have a group here that wants to dispense fuelfrom a stainless steel IBC into test engines I donrsquot think that is the intended use or what it has beenlisted for Can I get some guidance on this issue I appreciate anything you can do for me Bill Bill CotnerSenior Fire SpecialistEnvironmental Safety and Quality SystemsSouthwest Research InstitutePhone (210) 522-5101Fax (210) 522-5093Mobile (210) 669-7005Email bcotner swriorg

From Benedetti BobTo Ebanks DesmondCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiBcc May PaulSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Monday June 14 2010 35400 PM

Good afternoon Mr Ebanks The intent of Subsection 422 of NFPA 30A Code for Motor Fuel Dispensing Facilities and RepairGarages is that there be no direct piped connection between the aboveground storage tank inthe bulk plant and the fuel dispensing device in the motor fuel dispensing facility In my opinionthis includes any intervening underground storage tank The hazard being addressed is the potential to overfill the underground storage tank due to thestatic head of the liquid in the aboveground storage tank Please understand that this response is a personal opinion and does not constitute a FormalInterpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 of NFPArsquos RegulationsGoverning Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitively determine compliancewith any laws ordinances rules or regulations To determine legal compliance you shouldrefer to the appropriate authority having jurisdiction or seek legal advice It is not intended norshould it be relied upon to provide professional consultation or services To determine theadequacy or safety of any device or installation you should consult with an appropriateprofessional I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will behappy to assist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPARegulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarilyrepresent the official position of the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition thiscorrespondence is neither intended nor should it be relied upon to provide professional consultation orservices cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg Attend the premier event for fire life safety and electrical professionals

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From Ebanks Desmond [mailtoDesmondEbanksgovky] Sent Monday May 24 2010 940 AMTo Benedetti BobSubject bulk storage supply to motor fuel facilities Hi Bob NFPA 30A (2003) 422 gives to positions in relation to motor fuel dispensing facilities (mfdf) that I would like to havefurther clarified for Code intent please The first is that dispensing devices at the mfdf shall not be supplied by ASTs located in the bulk plant Does this implythat supply from a UST (underground storage tank) in the bulk storage facility would be acceptable or to the other extentthat even if the bulk AST supplied a loading rack which in turn supplied a UST both in the bulk facility that supplyfrom the bulk AST is still not permitted The second statement refers to any storage tank at the mfdf saying they shall not be connected by piping to bulkfacility ASTs Similarly does this imply that a UST (underground storage tank) in the bulk storage facility would beacceptable or that if the bulk tank was connected to a loading rack and the loading rack connected by non-permanentmeans to an mfdf tank that this would be permissible RegardsDes EbanksAssistant Petroleum InspectorThe Petroleum InspectorateCayman Islands GovernmentAnderson Square 4th floorPO Box 31213Grand CaymanKY1-1205Cayman IslandsOffice 345 244 3458Mobile 345 925 3317Fax 345 949 0920Email desmondebanksgovky

From Benedetti BobTo Shriniwas BodhankarCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiBcc May PaulSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Monday June 14 2010 50100 PM

Good day Sir There has been no discussion by the Technical Committee on Automotive and Marine ServiceStations to alter the separation distances in Table 4324 of NFPA 30A Code for Motor FuelDispensing Facilities and Repair Garages as they pertain to liquid fuels including high flashpoint diesel fuels Also there have been no proposals to make such a change to NFPA 30A I trust this answers your question R P Benedetti cc -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

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From Shriniwas Bodhankar [mailtobodhankarenoccom] Sent Tuesday June 01 2010 536 AMTo Maynard Mary Benedetti BobSubject NFPA 30 A Dear sir Reference is made to table no 4324 of NFPA code 30A specifying the minimum distance between storagetanks and dispensing equipment A dispenser should be placed minimum 50 feet away from a bunded abovegroundsteel tank to meet this requirementIn our opinion this is too stringent and uncalled for in case of high flash diesel ( Flash point above 65 degreecentigrade) A bunded tank where spill can be contained within bund is as safe as a vaulted tankfire resistanttankprotected tank Therefore it is equally safe to install an approved dispensing device immediately outside thebund provided the vent of the tank is 4 meters above the grade level on which the dispensing device is installedVarious international oil companies like SHELL amp BP carry similar installations for their fleet customers of dieselMoreover there are standard skids being marketed in EUROPE (even for gasoline) which have storage tanks and

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dispensers on same skid and such an arrangement is accepted by ldquoAuthority Having Jurisdictionrdquo(AHJ)Kindly advise if this standard requirement is being reviewed or otherwise if based on performance based designsuch a requirement may be waived or considered as ldquo highly recommendedrdquo in the leastBased on your feedback we wish to discuss this with AHJ in UAE Regards Regards Shriniwas BodhankarSenior EHS Compliance Officer( Special Projects)Group EHSQ Compliance DepartmentEmirates National Oil Company Limited (ENOC) LLC ENOC House I PO Box 6442Dubai United Arab EmiratesDirect +971 4 313 4437Fax +971 4 313 4482bodhankarenoccom | wwwenoccom

This message together with any attachments contains confidential information and is intended only for the use of theaddressee(s) and may contain information which is covered by legal professional or other privilege If you are not theintended recipient please inform the sender immediately and delete this e-mail You should not copy this e-mail or use itfor any purpose nor disclose its contents to any other person ENOC does not warrant that this transmission is virus freeand will not be liable for any damages resulting from any virus ENOC Dubai UAE

From Benedetti BobTo EActonccfireusCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiBcc May PaulSubject Inquiry NFPA 30A amp NFPA 30Date Monday August 02 2010 44400 PMAttachments DSC06169JPG

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Good day Mr Acton Fire protection provisions for major and minor repair garages and ldquolube-onlyrdquofacilities which is the topic of your concern are provided in NFPA 30A Code for MotorFuel Dispensing Facilities and Repair Garages currently 2008 edition Chapter 5 ofNFPA 30A covers piping systems but its specific provisions focus on piping systemsbetween fuel storage tanks and fuel dispensers Chapter 5 also directly referencesChapter 27 of the 2008 edition of NFPA 30 Flammable and Combustible Liquids Code(successor to Chapter 5 of the 2003 edition) Subsection 527 of NFPA 30A allows piping made from low-melting point materials tobe installed in exposed areas but only in specific locations These are limited tocontainment sumps under dispensers containment sumps for underground fuelstorage tanks and sumps for below-grade piping connections Chapter 5 of NFPA 30Ais silent on piping inside buildings Therefore the user is left with the provisions ofChapter 27 of NFPA 30 NFPA 30 in turn does allow piping fabricated of low melting point materials to beused exposed outdoors or inside buildings with the following provisions ldquo27441 Such materials shall be permitted to be used outdoors above ground orinside buildings provided they meet one of the following conditions (1) They are resistant to damage by fire(2) They are located so that any leakage resulting from failure will not exposepersons important buildings or structures(3) They are located where leakage can be controlled by operation of one or moreaccessible remotely located valvesrdquo Regardless of the material of construction of the piping and components the followinggeneral requirement from Chapter 27 of NFPA 30 always applies ldquo273 General Requirements2731 Performance Standards The design fabrication assembly test and inspectionof piping systems shall be suitable for the working pressures and structural stresses tobe encountered by the piping system Compliance with applicable sections of ASMEB31 Code for Pressure Piping and the provisions of this chapter shall be consideredprima facie evidence of compliance with the foregoing provisions2732 Tightness of Piping Piping systems shall be maintained liquidtight A pipingsystem that has leaks that constitute a hazard shall be emptied of liquid or repaired ina manner acceptable to the authority having jurisdictionrdquo Your interpretation of Subsection 511 of the 2003 edition of NFPA 30 (2711 in the2008 edition) is correct the chapter applies to any piping system that handles aflammable or combustible liquid regardless of pressure Likewise you are correct thatthe piping system must meet the provisions of ASME B31 for the material chosen andthe anticipated operating pressures and temperatures (531 in the 2003 edition 2741 in the 2008 edition) However low melting point materials (aluminum copperbrass and polymeric materials) are allowed under the provisions of Subsection 534(2003 edition) and 2744 (2008 edition) What must be determined is does thepiping system comply with one of the conditions stated in 27441 as stated above

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Please understand that this response is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 ofNFPArsquos Regulations Governing Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon todefinitively determine compliance with any laws ordinances rules or regulations Todetermine legal compliance you should refer to the appropriate authority havingjurisdiction or seek legal advice It is not intended nor should it be relied upon toprovide professional consultation or services To determine the adequacy or safety ofany device or installation you should consult with an appropriate professional I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write Iwill be happy to assist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant toNFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does notnecessarily represent the official position of the NFPA or its Technical Committees Inaddition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it be relied upon to provideprofessional consultation or services cc 30IFI 30AIFI AUVNM FLCTANNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

If you have a reported fire in your home the risk of dyingdecreases by about 80 percent when sprinklers are present

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From Eric Acton [mailtoEActonccfireus] Sent Monday July 19 2010 636 PMTo Benedetti BobSubject InterpretationOpinion request

Good day My name is Eric Acton I am the Fire Marshal for Campbell CountyWyoming and Irsquom employed by Campbell County Fire Department My NFPA

membership number is 2755369 My mailing and email addresses are listed below I am in need of a technical opinion regarding 2003 NFPA 30 Chapter 5 or morecurrently 2008 NFPA 30A Chapter 5 Some brief project backgroundAn owner within my jurisdiction has built a commercial lube-oil center to servicecustomersrsquo vehicles A ldquopitrdquo exists below the service bay to allow workers to drainthe oil from the vehicle then workers on the main floor refill the oil by use ofpressurized nozzles Several motor oil storage tanks are located in the pitaccounting for several brands and viscosities of oil The tanks are designed to befilled by use of a piping system which extends from an exterior connection vault toeach of the storage tanks using gravity to move the product in the fill-pipingsystem The material the owner chose to construct the fill-piping system wasldquostandardrdquo 1-12rdquo Schedule 40 PVC and Parker Series 7094 Electrically Non-Conductive rubber hose The piping system is exposed it is not underground nor isit protected from flame by means of a fire-rated chase Having identified the use of combustible liquids in this occupancy I utilized 2006International Fire Code (as adopted by my jurisdiction) Chapter 34 Flammable andCombustible Liquids to review and inspect the project IFC Section 340362referred me to NFPA 30 Chapter 5 for the construction materials to use where Iinterpreted (2003 version) 30511 to mean that the piping system components (pipetubing flanges bolting gaskets valves fittingshellip) must meet the requirementsregardless of pressure And that the following components specified in theparagraph must meet the requirements ONLY if they contained pressure ndashhelliprdquoexpansion joints and strainers and devices such thathelliprdquo I further interpreted(2003 version) 30531 Material Specifications similarly in that the ldquoPipe valvesfaucets couplingshelliprdquo must meet the requirements regardless of pressure while ldquohellipother pressure-containing partshelliprdquo meant ONLY the other parts that containedpressure Verbatim to 30511 is encountered in 2008 NFPA 30A Chapter 5paragraph 51 Scope The owner states his piping complies with the standard cited because it is gravity-fed hence no ldquopressurerdquo is seen by the piping components I maintain that thepiping system shall consist of metal pipe (or another material meeting therequirements of ASME B31 as allowed by 2003 NFPA 30531) to comply with NFPA30 and IFC Some assistance to resolve this problem is greatly appreciated I have attachedsome photographs for clarification Thanks for your attentionEric

Eric ActonFire MarshalCampbell County Fire Department 106 Rohan Avenue Gillette WY 82716 (307) 682-5319 ext 8912(307) 686-2222 Fax(307) 680-9612 Cell

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From Benedetti BobTo Howard Jim (Woodbridge)Cc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiBcc May PaulSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Monday June 28 2010 115100 AM

Good morning Mr Howard First I appreciate your patience with me while I reviewed the information sent to meby yourself and Mr Luby of Veeder-Root I wanted to ensure that I thoroughlyunderstood how the system functions in its line leak detection mode My understanding of the arrangement of the piping system from the pair ofunderground storage tanks is that the electronic line leak detector the PLLD tests thesupply piping from the two submersible pumps to the dispensers as a single system This includes the direct piping run from the master pump to the dispensers AND thepiping that connects the slave pump to the direct piping run The intent of Subsection 642 of the 2008 edition of NFPA 30A Code for Motor FuelDispensing Facilities and Repair Garages is to ensure that some type of leak detectiondevice monitors the piping from the submersible pump to the dispensers in such amanner that a leak in the piping leading to the dispensers or in the dispensersthemselves is detected and notification of a leak given Since the two pumps act intandem and since the entire piping system from the pumps to the dispensers ismonitored my personal opinion is that the intent of Subsection 642 is met andevaluation of the system described as being equivalent to what is required bySubsection 642 is reasonable Whether the system described meets the criteria of Section 15 Equivalency of NFPA30A must be determined by the authority having jurisdiction As NFPA Staff Liaison forNFPA 30A I cannot make such a determination under NFPArsquos Regulations GoverningCommittee Projects Please understand that this response is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 ofNFPArsquos Regulations Governing Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon todefinitively determine compliance with any laws ordinances rules or regulations Todetermine legal compliance you should refer to the appropriate authority havingjurisdiction or seek legal advice It is not intended nor should it be relied upon toprovide professional consultation or services To determine the adequacy or safety ofany device or installation you should consult with an appropriate professional I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write Iwill be happy to assist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant toNFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does notnecessarily represent the official position of the NFPA or its Technical Committees Inaddition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it be relied upon to provideprofessional consultation or services cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids Engineer

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National Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

If you have a reported fire in your home the risk of dyingdecreases by about 80 percent when sprinklers are present

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From Howard Jim (Woodbridge) [mailtoJHowardhesscom] Sent Monday June 14 2010 1144 AMTo Benedetti BobCc Howard Jim (Woodbridge) Bob Luby Subject Importance High Bob It was a pleasure talking to you this morning regarding the Line Leak Detection applicationin place at Hess Station 08501 - Milltown DE (drawing attached) as well as several thousandlocations worldwide Here is some background information on this installation

Site had 3 - 10000 gallon gasoline tanks 1 - 10000 Regular (87) 1 - 10000 Plus (89) 1 - 10000 Premium (93) prior to our Dispenser Replacement Project Because of theoverwhelming demand for Regular gasoline (887 in 2009) we converted the existingPlus tank to additional Regular storageDispensers were replaced with new Blend Dispensers Tanks were not manifoldedRegular and former-Plus product lines were manifolded at each dispenserWe installed Veeder-Root PLLDs (Electronic Line Leak Detectors) on the Regular 1and Premium STPs We installed a non-vented Swift Check on Regular 2 (formerPlus) STP Because the PLLD is vented we MUST install a non-vented swift check onRegular STP 2 in order to test the system as a wholeWe have demonstrated via post-construction testing that the system will pick up a 3gph leak

The State of DE has questioned our compliance with NFPA 30A 642 Each pump shallhave installed on the discharge side a listed leak detection device that will provide an audibleor visible indication if the piping or a dispenser is leaking Each leak-detecting device shallbe checked and tested at least annually according to the manufacturers specifications toensure proper installation and operation

Can you comment on whether the system shown on the attached and described above and onour call meets the NFPA requirement or if it meets the definition of Equivalency as definedin Chapter 15 - Equivalency Thank you in advance for your consideration in this matter Please do not hesitate to contactme if there are any questions or concerns on this application ThanksJim Howard RFMPManager Maintenance amp UST ComplianceHess Corporation732-750-6220 (office)800-903-4801 (Emergency Hotline)E-mail UST Inspections to USTCompliancehesscomFax UST Inspections to 866-435-6744

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From Benedetti BobTo Gary KostalCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiBcc May PaulSubject Inquiry NFPA 30 NFPA 30ADate Tuesday August 10 2010 43200 PM

Good afternoon Mr Kostal There are no provisions in NFPA 30 Flammable and Combustible Liquids Code togovern dispensing of motor fuels into motorized equipment and the devices youdescribe are not mentioned at all in NFPA 30 or in the only other related NFPAdocument that might apply NFPA 30A Code for Motor Fuel Dispensing Facilities andRepair Garages I cannot say that these units are either allowed or disallowed because neither NFPA30 nor NFPA 30A speaks about them The only provisions that might apply are the quantity limitations established in thesetwo codes depending on which code applies If the maintenance building is considered an industrial occupancy then Chapter 9 ofNFPA 30 establishes a maximum allowable quantity for of 120 gallons for Class Iliquids (The maximum allowable quantity is actually a threshold value Up to theMAQ compliance with NFPA 30 is not required above it NFPA 30 applies) If the maintenance building is considered a repair garage then NFPA 30A takesprecedence It also sets a 120 gallon limit on the maximum quantity of Class I liquid In both cases the quantity of fuel involved is 50 percent of the maximum allowed Myopinion is that there is no violation of either NFPA 30 or NFPA 30A Please understand that this response is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 ofNFPArsquos Regulations Governing Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon todefinitively determine compliance with any laws ordinances rules or regulations Todetermine legal compliance you should refer to the appropriate authority havingjurisdiction or seek legal advice It is not intended nor should it be relied upon toprovide professional consultation or services To determine the adequacy or safety ofany device or installation you should consult with an appropriate professional I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write Iwill be happy to assist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant toNFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does notnecessarily represent the official position of the NFPA or its Technical Committees Inaddition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it be relied upon to provideprofessional consultation or services cc 30IFI 30AIFI-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch Park

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Quincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg Important Notice This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPA RegulationsAny opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarily represent the officialposition of the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition this correspondence is neither intended norshould it be relied upon to provide professional consultation or services

Visit wwwfirepreventionweekorg or call 800-344-3555 for more information Check out FPW on social mediahellipwwwtwittercomfpw2010wwwfacebookcomfirepreventionweekhttpnfpatypepadcomfpw Check out NFPA onhellip

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From Gary Kostal [mailtogarykbloomingdalefirecom] Sent Monday August 09 2010 328 PMTo Benedetti BobSubject Looking for assistance - portable gas caddies Membership 2329840 Gary KostalFire Prevention DirectorBloomingdale Fire District Question (Non-formal opinion) I have a country club where they service a very large number of lawn maintenance equipment on a dailybasis They are utilizing a portable gas container (gas caddy) that holds approximately 30 gallons ofgasoline The unit is equipped with a hand style pump which is located on the top of the tank Fuel isdispensed from this tank as you crank the pump There are no nozzles located on the hose These gascaddies are being used inside their maintenance building which is fully fire sprinkled They are presentlyusing two of these devices inside the same building which is basically one days use

My question is are these devices allowed for this type of dispensing Are they required to be equippedwith a self closing nozzle What NFPA sections would apply to this particular type of device Thank you for your assistance in this matter

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From Benedetti BobTo SheldonSchallWisconsingovCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Wednesday September 30 2009 45929 PM

Good afternoon Sheldon I will here provide more detailed answers to your questions as posed in the email you sent to me today Section 30A-4323 limits tank storage capacity for Class I and II No limit for Class IIIA or IIIB

You are correct The intent of 4323 is to limit the capacities only of those tanks that storeClass I and II liquids Recall that when NFPA 30A initially allowed aboveground storage tanks atvehicle fueling sites biofuels were not in the picture just gasoline (Class I) and diesel fuel (ClassII) The Technical Committee at the time did not conceive that there would be the need to storeClass III fuels because there werenrsquot any The bottom line NFPA 30A does not limit the capacityof an aboveground storage tank that holds a motor fuel that is a Class III liquid

Section 30A-4324 refers to setbacks in Table 4324 No indication that these setbacks are specific toor exclude any class of flammable or combustible so it appears that the setbacks apply to Class I -Class IIIB liquids This table appears to conflict with the previous section for Class IIIA amp IIIB liquids

This is again correct that the separation distances in Table 4324 are not specific to anyparticular Class of liquid There is no conflict however 4323 deals with tank capacities 4324 deals with separation distances for the tanks Since 4324 does not specify anyparticular liquid class(es) it applies to ALL liquid classes

Section 30A-4325 allows an increased capacity for Class II and III liquids at fleet facilities Thisappears to conflict with section 4323 for Class III liquids which didnt have a capacity limit to startwith

Here there is a conflict or at least a serious inconsistency This provision was added one or twoeditions after 4323 and it appears that biofuels are beginning to be recognized It also appearsthat the intent here was to allow a relaxation of one limit in favor of a more liberal one Theproblem is the original limit doesnrsquot exist making it arguable that the application of 4325 toClass III liquids is meaningless Given the obvious intent here for some limit on Class III liquidfuels 4323 should be amended to include Class IIIs

Section 30A-4327 addresses dispensing from an aboveground tank for Class I and II liquids based uponspecific conditions

Paragraph 4322 is a hold-over dating back to when service stations were covered in Chapter 7of the old versions of NFPA 30 This set of requirements should also be amended to include ClassIIIs

Section 30A-4328 refers to NFPA 30-2171 for spill and overfill This section only applies to class Iand II liquids

While it is true that Subsection 2171 of NFPA 30 only applies to Classes I and II I do not believeit is a conflict for NFPA 30A to also apply it to Class III as well if the Technical Committee it isappropriate to do so However the language needs to be improved or an Annex item should beadded to explain the extrapolation and the reason for it

I will add this to the next meetingrsquos agenda for the Technical Committee on Automotive and MarineService Stations As usual the following applies Please understand that this response to your inquiry is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 of NFPArsquos RegulationsGoverning Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitively determine compliance with anylaws ordinances rules or regulations To determine the adequacy or safety of any device or installationyou should consult with an appropriate professional To determine legal compliance you should refer tothe appropriate authority having jurisdiction or seek legal advice

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I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will be happy toassist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarily represent the official positionof the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it berelied upon to provide professional consultation or services cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

Fire Prevention Week is October 4 ndash 10 2009 Visit wwwfirepreventionweekorg or call 800-344-3555 for moreinformation NFPA Seminars - Apply the codes with confidenceRegister at wwwnfpalearnorg NFPA Membership keeps you up-to-dateVisit wwwnfpaorgjoin for more information Or call 800-344-3555Notice The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for theexclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential andor privileged information If you are not the intendedrecipient please notify Robert Benedetti immediately by replying to the message or by calling (617) 984-7433 Please deletethis message and any attachments from your system Thank you Considering the variables in the sections referenced above are the setbacks in Table 4324 intended toapply to Class IIIA andor Class IIIB liquids for public fueling

From Schall Sheldon - COMMERCE [mailtoSheldonSchallWisconsingov] Sent Wednesday September 30 2009 832 AMTo Benedetti BobSubject NFPA 30A-4324 inquiry - URGENT Section 30A-4323 limits tank storage capacity for Class I and II No limit for Class IIIA or IIIB trueSection 30A-4324 refers to setbacks in Table 4324 No indication that these setbacks are specific toor exclude any class of flammable or combustible so it appears that the setbacks apply to Class I -Class IIIB liquids This table appears to conflict with the previous section for Class IIIA amp IIIB liquids Also trueSection 30A-4325 allows an increased capacity for Class II and III liquids at fleet facilities Thisappears to conflict with section 4323 for Class III liquids which didnt have a capacity limit to startwith Either one or the other needs to changeSection 30A-4327 addresses dispensing from an aboveground tank for Class I and II liquids based uponspecific conditions Need to cover IIIBSection 30A-4328 refers to NFPA 30-2171 for spill and overfill This section only applies to class Iand II liquids Class IIIs need to be specifically addressed Considering the variables in the sections referenced above are the setbacks in Table 4324 intended toapply to Class IIIA andor Class IIIB liquids for public fueling

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From Benedetti BobTo Bill HickmanCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Monday December 14 2009 50332 PM

Good afternoon Mr Hickman To answer your question the separation distances in Table 4324 of NFPA 30A Code for MotorFuel Dispensing Facilities and Repair Garages are intended to apply to outside abovegroundstorage tanks for fuel where such is allowed The tanks inside a service station building majorrepair garage or minor repair garage would likely be handling Class IIIB liquids (flash point gt200 degF) only in accordance with Subsection 4392 of NFPA 30A Subsection 4392 does not set any specific requirements for separation between tanks inside abuilding although it does refer back to Chapters 21 through 23 of NFPA 30 Flammable andCombustible Liquids Code Shell-to-shell spacing distances for aboveground tanks areestablished in Table 22421 Table 22421 is intended for much large tanks than one wouldfind in a repair garage or ldquolube-onlyrdquo facility For example the minimum separation for tanksstoring Class IIIB liquids is 3 feet as set forth in 224212 But again the separationdistances in Chapter 22 of NFPA 30 are intended for tank farm application not for the muchsmaller tanks found in the type of occupancy governed by NFPA 30A Also any facility meeting the requirements of NFPA 30A is considered to be in compliance withNFPA 30 Please understand that this response to your inquiry is a personal opinion and does notconstitute a Formal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 ofNFPArsquos Regulations Governing Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitivelydetermine compliance with any laws ordinances rules or regulations To determine theadequacy or safety of any device or installation you should consult with an appropriateprofessional To determine legal compliance you should refer to the appropriate authorityhaving jurisdiction or seek legal advice I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will behappy to assist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPARegulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarilyrepresent the official position of the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition thiscorrespondence is neither intended nor should it be relied upon to provide professional consultation orservices cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg If you have a reported fire in your home the risk of dyingdecreases by about 80 percent when sprinklers are present

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wwwfiresprinklerinitiativeorgNotice The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for theexclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential andor privileged information If you are not the intendedrecipient please notify Robert Benedetti immediately by replying to the message or by calling (617) 984-7433 Please deletethis message and any attachments from your system Thank you

From Bill Hickman [mailtoBillHickmanstatecous] Sent Tuesday December 01 2009 939 AMTo Benedetti BobSubject Inquiry NFPA 30A - Storage of Liquids Inside Buildings Mr Benedetti Id appreciate your interpretation on an item regarding aboveground tanks storing lubricants (newused oil) inside abuilding at a repair garage NFPA 30A 439 does not include specific spacing requirements for tanks inside buildings Where there are multiple tanks being stored inside the building is there no minimum separation distance requirementthat must be met or do the requirements of Table 4324 apply Thank you in advance for your assistance __________________________________ Bill HickmanInspectorTechnical SpecialistCO Division of Oil amp Public Safety303-378-5090

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From Benedetti BobTo Peznowski EdwardCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Thursday September 03 2009 30455 PM

Hi Ed The 1996 edition of the Flammable and Combustible Liquids Code Handbook was the last one prior to thecurrent 2008 edition The commentary hasnrsquot changed My recollection of the development of this text is that the intent of NFPA 30A Code for Motor FuelDispensing Facilities and Repair Garages is to isolate the motor fuel dispensing area and its attendanthazard completely from the rest of the structure regardless of what else might be in the structure Subsection 524 assumes that the installation involves a motor fuel dispensing operation inside abuilding where you would not expect to have same such as an office building A bus repair facility wouldbe probably classed as a major repair garage and would be expected to have fueling operations Thehazard of this is in my opinion no greater than the repair operations It could be that the language in Subsection 524 needs to be clarified so that it applies only to situationssuch as I first described Please understand that this response to your inquiry is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 of NFPArsquos RegulationsGoverning Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitively determine compliance with anylaws ordinances rules or regulations To determine the adequacy or safety of any device or installationyou should consult with an appropriate professional To determine legal compliance you should refer tothe appropriate authority having jurisdiction or seek legal advice I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will be happy toassist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarily represent the official positionof the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it berelied upon to provide professional consultation or services cc 30AIFI 30AFAQ AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

Fire Prevention Week is October 4 ndash 10 2009 Visit wwwfirepreventionweekorg or call 800-344-3555 for moreinformation NFPA Seminars - Apply the codes with confidenceRegister at wwwnfpalearnorg NFPA Membership keeps you up-to-dateVisit wwwnfpaorgjoin for more information Or call 800-344-3555Notice The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for the

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exclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential andor privileged information If you are not the intendedrecipient please notify Robert Benedetti immediately by replying to the message or by calling (617) 984-7433 Please deletethis message and any attachments from your system Thank you

From Peznowski Edward [mailtoEdwardPeznowskipostatectus] Sent Monday August 31 2009 127 PMTo Benedetti BobSubject NFPA 30A Hi Bob Sorry to bother you but I need your help and interpretation of the following section of NFPA 30A 2000edition 524 - All piping inside buildings but outside the motor fuel dispensing area shall be enclosed within ahorizontal chase or a vertical shaft used only for this piping Vertical shafts and horizontal chases shall beconstructed of materials having a fire resistance rating of not less than 2 hours Bob I have a bus repair facility being built and we have fuel dispensing area within the building enclosedwith a 2hr fire resistive separation My question is I have diesel fuel piping coming from two tanks locatedoutside of the building the piping runs outside of the dispensing area does this piping need to be enclosed Ihave the proper UL listed system for through wall penetrations My problem lies here I have natural gas heating fuel oil lines for boilers and diesel fuel line for thegenerator all running through the area outside the 2 hour rated dispensing area which are not required to beenclosed My thought is within the 2 hour fire resistive construction I have storage rooms for grease and oil a office forfuel dispensing Any fuel piping running through these areas would be enclosed but once I go outside my 2hrrated enclosure the piping would not have to be enclosed NFPA 30A (1996edition)6-42 - All fuel and flammable vapor piping inside buildings but outside the service station area shall beenclosed within a horizontal chase or a vertical shaft used only for this piping Vertical shafts and horizontalchases shall be constructed of materials having a fire resistance rating of not less than 2 hoursCOMMENTARY 6-42 The intent of this requirement is to preserve the isolation of the service stationoperation from the rest of the building I donrsquot have the 2000 handbook for commentary Thanks Bob Edward J PeznowskiFire amp Life Safety SpecialistBureau of EngineeringOffice State Fire Marshal860-685-8350

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From Benedetti BobTo Hamilton James P (HOY)Cc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiSubject Inquiry NFPA 30A-2008Date Monday September 14 2009 115041 AM

Good morning Mr Hamilton The intent of this particular provision of Subsection 672 of NFPA 30A Code for Motor Fuel DispensingFacilities and Repair Garages is to ensure that the patron has access to a second disconnect if he or shecannot reach the primary disconnect ie the one that is between 20 and 100 feet from the dispenser In my opinion all of the emergency disconnects required by Section 67 must be at least 20 ft but normore than 100 ft from the nearest dispenser Please understand that this response to your inquiry is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 of NFPArsquos RegulationsGoverning Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitively determine compliance with anylaws ordinances rules or regulations To determine the adequacy or safety of any device or installationyou should consult with an appropriate professional To determine legal compliance you should refer tothe appropriate authority having jurisdiction or seek legal advice I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will be happy toassist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarily represent the official positionof the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it berelied upon to provide professional consultation or services cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

Fire Prevention Week is October 4 ndash 10 2009 Visit wwwfirepreventionweekorg or call 800-344-3555 for moreinformation NFPA Seminars - Apply the codes with confidenceRegister at wwwnfpalearnorg NFPA Membership keeps you up-to-dateVisit wwwnfpaorgjoin for more information Or call 800-344-3555Notice The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for theexclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential andor privileged information If you are not the intendedrecipient please notify Robert Benedetti immediately by replying to the message or by calling (617) 984-7433 Please deletethis message and any attachments from your system Thank you

From Hamilton James P (HOY) [mailtoHAMILTONJPbechteljacobsorg] Sent Thursday September 10 2009 1224 PMTo Benedetti BobSubject NFPA 30A 2008 Edition

bbenedetti
Text Box
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Importance High

NFPA 30A 672 states at least one additional device or disconnect shall be readily accessible toeach group of dispensing devices on an individual island Our installation does not have islands Should the second emergency shutoff be installed close to the pumps or between 20 and 100 ofthe pumps

Please respond back via email hamiltonjpbechteljacobsorg

Thanks

NFPA 127130 James P Hamilton CFPSTetraTek Inc - Fire Safety TechnologiesFire Protection LeadK-27 Pre-Demo Project 790 Emory Valley Rd 811 Oak Ridge TN 37830 ETTP Office 865-241-1902

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From Benedetti BobTo Scott DavonskiCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Tuesday August 04 2009 92429 AM

Good morning Mr Davonski My opinion is that the intent of the requirement in Subsection 1141 of NFPA 30A Code for Motor FuelDispensing Facilities and Repair Garages is that any hose longer than 18 feet should not simply bestrung along the dockrsquos surface Using a reel would be one means of securing the hose although Irsquomsure other methods such as hangers would work as well Please understand that this response to your inquiry is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 of NFPArsquos RegulationsGoverning Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitively determine compliance with anylaws ordinances rules or regulations To determine the adequacy or safety of any device or installationyou should consult with an appropriate professional To determine legal compliance you should refer tothe appropriate authority having jurisdiction or seek legal advice I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will be happy toassist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarily represent the official positionof the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it berelied upon to provide professional consultation or services cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

Fire Prevention Week is October 4 ndash 10 2009 Visit wwwfirepreventionweekorg or call 800-344-3555 for moreinformation NFPA Seminars - Apply the codes with confidenceRegister at wwwnfpalearnorg NFPA Membership keeps you up-to-dateVisit wwwnfpaorgjoin for more information Or call 800-344-3555Notice The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for theexclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential andor privileged information If you are not the intendedrecipient please notify Robert Benedetti immediately by replying to the message or by calling (617) 984-7433 Please deletethis message and any attachments from your system Thank you

From Scott Davonski [mailtodavonskiRiverheadlicom] Sent Wednesday July 22 2009 1118 AMTo Benedetti BobSubject 30A clarification

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1141 All hose shall be listed Where hose length exceeds 55 m (18 ft) the hose shall besecured so as to protect it from damage Can you provide clarification as to what is meant by ldquosecured so as to protect it fromdamagerdquo Is the standard looking not to have the hoses on the dock In a reel Any clarificationinformation would be appreciated Scott W DavonskiChief Fire MarshalTown of RiverheadP- 631-727-3200 ext 209F- 631-727-3370

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Page 13: TECHNICAL COMMITTEE ON AUTOMOTIVE and MARINE … · SUBJECT: Agenda for ROC Meeting – October 4, 2010 _____ Ladies and Gentlemen: Attached is the Agenda for the NFPA 30A Report

TIA 9852010-06-15 ndash IFMA Counterproposaldoc

A6231 The authority having jurisdiction is provided with the ability to approve for use with mid-level alcohol blended motor fuels (eg E15 15 percent ethanol 85 percent unleaded gasoline) dispensing devices and related dispensing equipment currently listed for use with E10 (10 percent ethanol 90 percent unleaded gasoline) Approval of the dispensing device or related dispensing equipment for use with alcohol blended motor fuel requires that the dispensing device and related dispensing equipment be listed for use with E10 and that periodic inspection be conducted to verify that the equipment is functioning properly Useful forms for documenting inspections can be found in PEIRP500-05 Recommended Practices for Inspection and Maintenance of Motor Fuel Dispensing Equipment and are also available at wwwpeiorgrp500 In addition the authority having jurisdiction may take into account other factors including actual field experience evidence of compatibility (eg manufacturerrsquos declaration) and functionality by government agencies trade associations and testing laboratories Underwriters Laboratories Inc has listed dispensing devices and related dispensing equipment for alcohol blended motor fuels up to E10 and more recently has begun listing dispensing devices for alcohol blended motor fuels up to E25 (25 percent ethanol 75 percent unleaded gasoline) However the majority of existing dispensing devices and related dispensing equipment currently in service at motor fuel dispensing facilities are not listed for use with alcohol blended motor fuels with more than 10 percent ethanol While higher alcohol blended motor fuels (eg E85 85 percent ethanol 15 percent unleaded gasoline) are typically sold as an alternative to E10 the mid-level alcohol blended motor fuels such as E15 if approved by the U S Environmental Protection Agency might likely become a replacement for current motor fuels either through state or federal mandates or because of supply chain restrictions In order to maintain the supply of motor fuel this might require the sale of mid-level blends through the existing dispensing devices and related dispensing equipmentrdquo

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5 92- ( )30A- AUV-AAA A2011

6 233- ( )30A- AUV-AAA A2011

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3 Table 831- ( )30A- AUV-AAA A2011

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Report on Comments ndash June 2011 NFPA 30A_______________________________________________________________________________________________30A- Log 6

_______________________________________________________________________________________________John F Bender Underwriters Laboratories Inc

30A-6Revise text as follows

Underwriters Laboratories Inc 333 Pfingsten Road Northbrook IL 60062-2096UL 87 Standard for Power-Operated Dispensing Devices for Petroleum Products 2001 Revised 2008ANSIUL 842 Standard for Valves for Flammable Fluids 2007 Revised 2010UL 2080 Standard for Fire Resistant Tanks for Flammable and Combustible Liquids 2000ANSIUL 2085 Standard for Protected Aboveground Tanks for Flammable and Combustible Liquids 1997 Revised

1999UL 2245 Standard for Below-Grade Vaults for Flammable Liquid Storage Tanks 2006

Updated referenced standards to most recent revisions Add ANSI approval designation to ANSIUL842 and ANSIUL 2085

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Report on Comments ndash June 2011 NFPA 30A_______________________________________________________________________________________________30A- Log 4

_______________________________________________________________________________________________Marshall A Klein Marshall A Klein amp Associates Inc

30A-7Revise text to read as follows

331 Basement Basement For the purposes of this code a story of a building or structure having one-half or more ofits height below ground level and to which access for fire-fighting purposes is restricted [302008] Any story of a buildingwholly or partly below grade plane that is not considered the first story above grade plane (Also see 33X ldquoFirst StoryAbove Grade Planerdquo 33Y ldquoGrade Planerdquo and 33Z ldquoStoryrdquo) [5000 2009]33X First Story Above Grade Plane Any story having its finished floor surface entirely above grade plane except

that a basement shall be considered as a first story above grade plane where the finished surface of the floor above thebasement is (1) more than 6 ft (1830 mm) above grade plane or (2) more than 12 ft (3660 mm) above the finished levelat any point (See also 33Z ldquoStoryrdquo) [5000 2009]33Z Story The portion of a building located between the upper surface of a floor and the upper surface of the floor or

roof next above [5000 2009]33Y Grade Plane A reference plane representing the average of the finished ground level adjoining the building at all

exterior walls When the finished ground level slopes down from the exterior walls the grade plane is established by thelowest points within the area between the building and the lot line or when the lot line is more than 6 ft (1830 mm) fromthe building between the building and a point 6 ft (1830 mm) from the building (See also 33W ldquoFinished Ground Level(Graderdquo) [5000 2009]33W Finished Ground Level (Grade) The level of the finished ground (earth or other surface on ground) (See also33Y ldquoGrade Planerdquo) [5000 2009]

The Committeersquos substantiation for this Committee Proposal was ldquoThis definition is the preferreddefinition from the NFPA Glossary of Terms Changing the secondary definition to the preferred definition complies withthe Glossary of Terms Projectrdquo Also the Committeersquos statement said in part ldquohellipThe key issue relative to NFPA 30A issafe access to and evacuation from the basement area by emergency responders during an emergencyrdquo

Since the first edition of the NFPA 5000 Building Code the NFPA 30A Committee has attempted to be in correlationwith NFPA 5000 and the other Model Building Code in the the United States IBC The dispensing facilities and repairgarage buildings constructed under the NFPA 30A are also required to comply with the local building code which will beeither NFPA 5000 or IBC The proposed definition for ldquobasementrdquo that is taken from NFPA 30 is more suited for thelarger flammable and combustible types of facilities built under NFPA 30 not the service centersrepair garages builtunder NFPA 30A and the building codes

NFPA 30A should stay with its present position to correlate with the definition for a ldquobasementrdquo with NFPA 5000ldquoBuilding Construction and safety Coderdquo and not replace this definition with the one that is in NFPA 30 ldquoFlammable andCombustible Liquids Coderdquo

The term ldquobasementrdquo is only used in the NFPA 30A Code in Section 423 that deals with ignitable vapors in abasement or pit and Section 746 that applies when sprinklers are required to be installed in the basement of a majorrepair garage The two NFPA 30A sections on basements relate more to the application of the requirements in NFPA5000 and IBC than to the requirements in NFPA 30 ldquoFlammable and Combustible Liquids Coderdquo As I have notedabove during the development of the NFPA 5000 Building Code the NFPA 30A Committee was very careful tocorrelate its requirements with NFPA 5000 NFPA 101 amp IBC so that there would be minimum conflicts in theapplication of the requirements of NFPA 30A with these other Codes that greatly impact the design and construction ofMotor Fuel Dispensing Facilities and Repair Garages The definition of ldquobasementrdquo is critically important forbuilding design and should be correlated with the building codes used throughout the US and we should not use adifferent definition for basement that would cause confusion and cost in the design and application of the NFPA 30Arequirements where NFPA 5000 NFPA 101 or IBC Codes are also adopted

I have also included the addition of the definitions of ldquoFirst Story Above Grade Planerdquo ldquoStoryrdquo ldquoGrade Planerdquo andldquoFinished Ground Level (Grade)rdquo from NFPA 5000 to provide complete correlation on these building definitions withNFPA 5000 and the IBC For individuals using NFPA 30A that are only used to working with NFPA 30 these definitions

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Report on Comments ndash June 2011 NFPA 30Amay seem like overkill but to the great majority of code officials designers and owners of these types of dispensingfacilities and repair garages correlation of these terms with NFPA 5000 and IBC are critical to prevent major conflictsdelays and cost increases in interpretations and applications of code requirements between the building departmentsand fire departments

In summation based on the two sections in NFPA 30A that cover a ldquobasementrdquo requirement it serves the public interestbetter to use the ldquobasementrdquo definition and its related building definitions from NFPA 5000 to properly correlate with themodel buildings codes not NFPA 30

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Report on Comments ndash June 2011 NFPA 30A_______________________________________________________________________________________________30A- Log 1

_______________________________________________________________________________________________Alex Ralston Petcon Inc

NARevise text to read as follows

Means shall be provided to sound an audible alarm when the liquid level in the tank reaches 90 percent of capacityMeans shall also be provided either to automatically stop the flow of liquid into the tank when the liquid level reaches 98percent capacity or to restrict the flow of liquid into the tank to a maximum flow rate of 95L min (25 gpm) when theliquid level in the tank reaches 95 percent capacityThe federal underground storage tank rules state that means shall be provided to stop the flow of liquid into the tank

when the liquid reaches 95 percent capacity or restrict the flow into the tank when the liquid level reaches 90 percentcapacity

None given

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Report on Comments ndash June 2011 NFPA 30A_______________________________________________________________________________________________30A- Log 2

_______________________________________________________________________________________________Alex Ralston Petcon Inc

NARevise text to read as follows

On remote pressure pumping systems each pump shall have installed on the discharge side a listed leak detectiondevice that will provide an audible or visible indication if the piping and dispensing devices are not liquid tight Replace with device that will either restrict the flow of product to the dispenser or shut-off the flow of product to

indicate if the piping and dispensing devices are liquid tightThe explanation attempts to explain the federal underground storage tank regulations however the

regulation that provides for an audible or visible alarm relates to overfill prevention in federal regulations not leakdetectionThe regulations on leak detection for pressurized piping in the explanation are correct but if youll note nowhere in the

explanation is audible or visual alarms mentioned

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Report on Comments ndash June 2011 NFPA 30A_______________________________________________________________________________________________30A- Log 8

_______________________________________________________________________________________________Robert Bourke Northeastern Regional Fire Code Development Committee

30A-42Revise to read 623 Fuel-dispensing systems including dispensers hoses nozzleshelliphelliphellip

blended motor fuels shall be listed or approved for the specific purposeThis requirement should only be stating that the equipment is listed for the specific purpose

ldquoApprovedrdquo by definition means ldquoacceptable to the AHJrdquoToo often a Standard may misuse the word ldquoapprovedrdquo in order to not exclude other listing organizations that publish

its list in a document that they refer to as an ldquoApproval Guiderdquo Regardless the document is still a listing

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Report on Comments ndash June 2011 NFPA 30A_______________________________________________________________________________________________30A- Log 3

_______________________________________________________________________________________________David B Wechsler The Dow Chemical Company

30A-34Revise and add new sentences shown under 831 and A831 and modify Table 831 as

indicated831 Table 831 shall be used to delineate and classify areas for the purposes of installing electrical wiring and

electrical utilization equipment (See also Figure 831) WARNING The US National Electrical Code has differentequipment and installation requirements from other International Standards Therefore for example equipment used inEurope may not be acceptable for installation in the USA831 The designation and decision installation and use of electrical equipment for Classes and Divisions in

hazardous (classified) locations are defined Article 500 501 and 504 of NFPA 70 National Electrical Code Thedesignation and design installation and use of electrical equipment for Classes and Zones in hazardous (classified)locations are defined in Article 505 and 504 of NFPA 70 National Electrical Code The designation and designinstallation and use of electrical equipment in lsquoZonesrsquo Zone 0 Zone 1 and Zone 2 are addressed in other internationalstandardsWithin Table 831 add a new column titled ldquoZones and copy the information from the Class I Zone column into this

new columnAlternatively to all of the above remove the ldquoZonesrdquo column completely from Table 831

While the stated intent of this proposal is understood as being to try and deal with the internationalnature of applying NFPA 30A there are problems with the approach presented by a simple extraction from the NECFirst as presented the new column only addresses the US Zone methodology The US Zone methodology for

flammable vapor gases liquids and combustible vapors and liquids is identified by the terms lsquoClass I Zone 0rsquo lsquoClass IZone 1rsquo and lsquoClass I Zone 2rsquo However under the IEC or ATEX (aka Europe International) the terms are simply lsquoZone0rsquo lsquoZone 1rsquo or lsquoZone 2rsquo Therefore the table revision is not correct for international useSecond this TIA and proposal was to lsquoincorporate the (European) Zone System of designating hazardous (classified)

locations and the allowable wiring methods and electrical utilization devices that can be used in themrsquo However the USNEC is not an international code Thus while the US NEC Article 505 does permit the use of the Class I Zonemethodology adding this column in NFPA 30A does not address the more complex nature of the design and installationproblems associated with Zone certified equipment in the US The NEC under Article 5059 Equipment provides for theuse of only AEx equipment as may be seen for example under paragraph ldquo(2) Zone Equipment Equipment meeting oneor more of the protection techniques described in 5058 shall be marked with all of the following in the order shown(1) Class(2) Zone(3) Symbol ldquoAExrdquo(4) Protection technique(s) in accordance with Table 5059(C)(2)(4)(5) Applicable gas classification group(s) in accordance with Table 9(C)(1)(2)Without adding additional text usersinspectors etc may think using Zones is just like using the Division methodology

This is not true and equipment not otherwise permitted under the US NEC may be installed because of the impliedactions currently reflected in this proposal This is a significant issue

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Report on Comments ndash June 2011 NFPA 30A_______________________________________________________________________________________________30A- Log 9

_______________________________________________________________________________________________Donald R Offerdahl North Dakota State Electrical Board

30A-36Insert figure for 831(B)

Insert Artwork Figure 831(A) and 831(B) Here

Proposal 30A-36 should have been accepted in principal these types of storage tanks and dispensersare widely used in farms construction sites and business fleet operations

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Report on Comments ndash June 2011 NFPA 30A_______________________________________________________________________________________________30A- Log 5

_______________________________________________________________________________________________Mindy Wang Ampco Safety Tools

30A-39Not proposing new text Please see comment in Substantiation

Although procedures for cleanup of spills is not within the scope of NFPA 30A we feel compelled toaddress API 2214 referenced by the Committee Information presented below shows API 2214 is misleading andundermines safe work practices In fact API 2214 conflicts with OSHA regulations Accredited Standards Developerrsquosstandards and safe work practices FM Approvals LLC formerly Factory Mutual Research Corporation (FM) is an international organization recognized

by the US government as a Nationally Recognized Testing Laboratory (NRTL) for scientific research and productcertification Product approval from a NRTL assures that products meet consensus-based standards of safety to providethe assurance required by OSHA that these products are safe for use in the United States workplace FM ApprovalStandard 7910 Spark Resistant Tools is used as guidance to evaluate tools intended for use in environments wherethere is a risk of ignition of flammable materials dusts or vapors resulting from sparks created by iron and steel handtools These tools prevent the ignition of flammable materials dusts or vapors by mechanical sparks created by the useof iron and steel hand tools slipping or striking a surface American Petroleum Institute (API) Publication 2214contradicts NRTL research and product certification as evidence in FM Approvals granted for spark resistance toolsFM has conducted tests of Ampco Safety Tools as covered in Report Job Identification No IN4A0AF in accordancewith the requirements of Safety Tools Approval Test Procedure Class 7910 and test results show

Sparks created from steel plates ignited carbon disulfide saturated pads eight of eight tests ethyl ether pads fiveof eight tests and naphtha VMampP four of eight tests

No sparks were observed and no ignition of the flammable liquids mentioned above from approved Ampco SafetyTools Other investigations also contradict APIrsquos conclusion on non-sparking tools A paper published in the Fire Protection

Journal ldquoThe Danger of Incendive Sparksrdquo stated that after APIrsquos conclusion on ldquonon-sparkingrdquo tools Institute ofPetroleum sought the advice of the Fire Research Board Committee on Industrial Fires and Explosion This committeecame to certain conclusions one of which was ldquoUntilhellipevidence is obtained to show that the impact of steel hand toolson steel is safe it is advisable to use non-sparking tools in situations where flammable atmospheres are unavoidablerdquo The NFPA Fire Protection Handbook 20th edition published in January 2008 does not support the conclusion that

API 2214 represents In fact many NFPA codes the use of ldquonon-sparkingrdquo tools in flammable atmospheresAccording to NFPA Fire Protection Handbook ldquoWhen flammable and combustible liquids are stored or handled theliquid is usually exposed to the air at some stage in the operation except where the storage is confined to sealedcontainers that are not filled or opened on the premises or where handling is in closed systems and vapor losses arerecovered Even when the storage or handling is in a closed system there is always the possibility of breaks or leakswhich permit the liquid to escape It is a to eliminate sources of ignition in places where low flashpointflammable liquids are stored handled or used even though no vapor may ordinarily be presentrdquo NFPA 921 Guide for Fire and Explosion Investigations 2008 Edition Chapter 5 Basic Fire Science Table 5711

Reported Burning and Sparking Temperature of Selected Ignition Sources under Mechanical Sparks lists a Steel tooltemperature at 2550degF When working with flammable gases liquids or vapors a potential hazard arises because of thepossibility that sparks produced by steel or iron tools can become an ignition source OSHA Flammable and Combustible Liquids regulation 29 CFR Parts 1910106(b) on tank storage paragraph

1910106(b)(6) states that precaution shall be taken to eliminate or control sources of ignitions including frictional heatand mechanical sparks to prevent the ignition of flammable vapors In OSHA regulation 29 CFR 1910146 Permit-Required Confined Spaces Appendix D Confined Space Pre-Entry

Check List non-sparking tool is listed as one type of entry equipment OSHA 29 CFR 1910146 StandardInterpretations Interpretative guidance and equipment approved for hazardous locations relative to the Permit-RequiredConfined Spaces states that ldquohellipthe standard does not prohibit entry into a permit space where a hazardous flammableatmosphere is at or above the 10 LFL For concentrations at or above 10 LFL paragraph (d) would theemployer to incorporate safe work procedures to address the flammableexplosive hazard (such as equipment approvedfor hazardous locations) in the entry plan for those spaces Electrical equipment as well as other sources of ignition(non-sparking hand tools) be considered and addressed for the hazardous atmosphererdquo OSHA regulation 29 CFR Parts 1910120 Hazardous waste operations and emergency response paragraph

1910120(j)(2)(v) requires that ldquoWhen there is a reasonable possibility of flammable atmospheres being present

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Report on Comments ndash June 2011 NFPA 30Amaterial handling equipment and hand tools shall be of the type to prevent sources of ignition EPA has identifiedsolvents such as xylene acetone ethyl acetate ethyl benzene and ethyl ether commonly used in all industries (theF-list) and discarded commercial chemical products such as acetone benzene ethyl ether and xylene (the P-list andU-list) as ignitable hazardous wastes API members such as ExxonMobil and Chevron as well as others in the petroleum industry such as Valero CITGO

Petroleum Corporation Chem-Supply Pty Ltd Irving Oil Ltd Petrol Star Inc Nova Chemicals and El Paso Corporationregularly the use of ldquonon-sparkingrdquo tools under Accidental Release Measures and Handling and Storage sectionsin the MSDSrsquos for their petroleum products These companies clearly recognize the need for ldquonon-sparkingrdquo tools inworking with and around flammable materials API 2214 Section 12 Background ldquohellipthese engineers pointed out that although numerous opportunities existed for

the production of sparks from violent contact of steel objects with other steel objects there was a negligible record offires resulting from such a causerdquo On the contrary there are a number of documented incidents involving flammablevapors ignited by steel sparks from tools A few examples are as follows

OSHA inspection 300965795 an employee in the process of cleaning loose material from drill piping with ametal hammer While striking the pipe with a hammer an explosion occurred Employee was killed in the explosion onsite

OSHA inspection 2272953 two employees were assigned the job of tending a 100 gallon (water jacket) reactorkettle of methyl methacrylate in the mixing room Employee 1 used a metal wrench (visegrips) to pry open the cover ofa kettle The wrench handle struck the angle iron support for the agitator motor producing a spark Employee 2noticed the spark which was immediately followed by a massive ldquofire ballrdquo Both employees were engulfed in thefireball Employee 3 came to the area to assist the other employees The investigation states that non-sparking toolswere not provided for the employees All three employees received first and second degree burns on their face armsand abdomen Employee 2 also received some third degree burns All three employees were hospitalized

OSHA inspection 124728437 Employee 1 and a coworker both maintenance mechanics were working in a 30inch by 36 inch manhole at a gas station Employee 1 was trying to change a fuel pump while the coworker watchedfrom outside the manhole Employee 1 was using an Allen wrench to loosen the bolts on the fuel pump lead when hecreated a spark that ignited the gas fumes in the manhole causing an explosion Employee 1 suffered burns to hisface hands arms and legs in the explosion and was hospitalized

OSHA inspection 111109237 Employee 1 or 3 attempted to cut a metal pipe with a metal saw whileEmployee 2 was standing on top of one of two 5000 gallon gas tanks trying to remove a tank fitting Sparks from thesaw the pipe wrench or another unknown source ignited the gas vapors which exploded Employees 1 and 3 werekilled of burns at the scene Employee 2 died at the burn center as a result of burns sustained in the explosion

OSHA inspection 102826625 Employee 1 worked for a company that cleans paints and replaces valves in LPand MAPP gas cylinders Before removing an old valve Employee 1 would open the valve to let the residual gas leakout on the loading dock Where there was a large quantity of cylinders Employee 1 would invert the cylinder so theresidual gas could vent faster Employee 1 had an accumulation of a gas and air mixture around his work area Thevapors were ignited either by a spark from the metal screwdriver he was using to open a damaged valve or by an openflame burner approximately 40 feet away There was a fire and explosion The employee sustained 2nd and 3rd degreeburns on the lower half of his body and was hospitalized

OSHA inspection 607366 an employee was sawing an airplane wing into sections with a portable powered handsaw the saw created a spark that caused an explosion of gasoline vapors in the wing fuel tank Employee 1 killed andEmployee 2 injured in explosion and was hospitalized

OSHA inspection 309178523 employer was cited for violating Section 5(a)(1) of the Occupational Safety andHealth Act of 1970 often referred to as the General Duty Clause which requires employers to furnish to each of hisemployees employment and a place of employment which are free from recognized hazards that are causing or arelikely to cause death or serious physical harm to his employees for exposing employee to an explosion hazard byopening the hydrogen tube trailer main valve without using non-sparking tools

OSHA inspection 304994304 employer was cited for violating Section 5(a)(1) of the Occupational Safety andHealth Act of 1970 violation for exposing employee to a fireexplosion hazard while performing maintenance operationson LP gas tanks with ferrous tools One feasible and acceptable abatement method to correct this hazard is toimplement the use of non- sparking toolsThe Report of the BP US Refineries independent Safety Review Panel also known as the Baker Panel Report states

that ldquoPreventing process accidents requires vigilance The passing of time without a process accident is not necessarilyan indicator that all is well and may contribute to a dangerous and growing sense of complacencyrdquo This sample ofOSHA documented events illustrates accidents do happen when proper safety measures are not taken againstmechanical sparks from steel tools as a possible ignition sourceHaving said that we appreciate the Committeersquos time and agree with the Committee that procedures for cleanup of

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Report on Comments ndash June 2011 NFPA 30Aspills is not within the scope of NFPA 30A

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Report on Comments ndash June 2011 NFPA 30A_______________________________________________________________________________________________30A- Log 7

_______________________________________________________________________________________________Robert Bourke Northeastern Regional Fire Code Development Committee

30A-19Add a new section to read 11721 Where approved by the Authority Having Jurisdiction piers

that extend more than 152 m (500 ft) in travel distance from shore shall be permitted to provide a Class I standpipe thatis installed in accordance with NFPA 14 Standard for the Installation of Standpipe and Hose Systems

The TC missed the point in the substantiation of the proposalIt was not the intent of the proposal to obtain additional flexibility of FD use over that which is provided by a Class III

standpipe system The intent of the proposal was to provide relief from the requirement where the local AHJ feels thatthe effectiveness and likelihood of occupant use of fire hoses does not justify the added risk to the occupant or theinstallation and maintenance costs associated with the requisite hose for a Class III system A Class I system would stillprovide FD fire fighting capabilities in jurisdictions where the AHJ prefers occupants to evacuate and not attempt to fightfires beyond portable fire extinguisher capability

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From Benedetti BobTo bcotnerswriorgCc Harrington Greg Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiBcc May PaulSubject Inquiry NFPA 30 amp NFPA 30ADate Thursday July 08 2010 121900 PM

Good Morning Mr Cotner Greg Harrington asked that I respond to your question about the proper use ofintermediate bulk containers Actually an intermediate bulk container is a shipping vessel that must meetrequirements and specifications of the U S Department of Transportation for shippingmaterials from Point A to Point B It is not intended to be a storage vessel althoughthe liquid contained is obviously dispensed from the vessel for use Dispensing of motor fuels is covered by NFPA 30A Code for Motor Fuel DispensingFacilities and Repair Garages NFPA 30A states in Subsection 421 421 Liquids shall be stored in the following(1) Approved closed containers that do not exceed 227 L (60 gal) capacity and arelocated outside buildings(2) Tanks or approved closed containers located inside motor fuel dispensingfacilities or repair garages(3) Aboveground tanks underground tanks and containers in accordance with therequirements of Section 43(4) Tanks supplying marine service stations in accordance with Section 112 Section 43 states the following 432 Aboveground Storage Tanks Except as modified by the provisions of thissubsection aboveground storage tanks shall meet all applicable requirements ofChapters 21 through 23 and 27 of NFPA 30 Flammable and Combustible Liquids Code So in accordance with NFPA 30A Subsection 421(3) indicates that abovegroundstorage of motor fuel must be in a tank that meets the provisions of Section 43 Thelatter in turn references the Chapters in NFPA 30 that deal with fixed storage tanks Nowhere in these chapters is there any reference to an intermediate bulk container Chapter 9 of NFPA 30 does recognize an intermediate bulk container for warehouse-type storage of Class I flammable liquids but does not anticipate continual dispensingand use One could evaluate an intermediate bulk container as a means of long-term storageand dispensing of liquids under the Equivalency clause My opinion is that an intermediate bulk container is not considered a substitute for anaboveground storage tank but this is not specifically stated in the relevant codes This issue will be added to the agendas for the Technical Committees involved Please understand that this response is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 ofNFPArsquos Regulations Governing Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon todefinitively determine compliance with any laws ordinances rules or regulations Todetermine legal compliance you should refer to the appropriate authority havingjurisdiction or seek legal advice It is not intended nor should it be relied upon toprovide professional consultation or services To determine the adequacy or safety ofany device or installation you should consult with an appropriate professional

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I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write Iwill be happy to assist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant toNFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does notnecessarily represent the official position of the NFPA or its Technical Committees Inaddition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it be relied upon to provideprofessional consultation or services cc 30IFI 30AIFI AUVNM FLCSWCNM FLCTANNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

If you have a reported fire in your home the risk of dyingdecreases by about 80 percent when sprinklers are present

wwwfiresprinklerinitiativeorgNotice The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intendedfor the exclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential andor privileged information If you arenot the intended recipient please notify Robert Benedetti immediately by replying to the message or by calling(617) 984-7433 Please delete this message and any attachments from your system Thank you

From Harrington Greg Sent Wednesday July 07 2010 350 PMTo Benedetti BobSubject FW Intermediate Bulk Containers Hi Bob Can you answer the question below Hersquos a friend of mine former inspector with San Antonio FD when Iworked down there now a safety guy at SWRI Thanks a lot --Greg

From Bill Cotner [mailtobcotnerswriorg] Sent Wednesday July 07 2010 332 PMTo Harrington GregSubject Intermediate Bulk Containers Hey Greg howrsquos the heat in Boston here it is a balmy 93 enjoying it I have a question probably out ofyour area but Irsquom sure you know who to route it to We have a group here that wants to dispense fuelfrom a stainless steel IBC into test engines I donrsquot think that is the intended use or what it has beenlisted for Can I get some guidance on this issue I appreciate anything you can do for me Bill Bill CotnerSenior Fire SpecialistEnvironmental Safety and Quality SystemsSouthwest Research InstitutePhone (210) 522-5101Fax (210) 522-5093Mobile (210) 669-7005Email bcotner swriorg

From Benedetti BobTo Ebanks DesmondCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiBcc May PaulSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Monday June 14 2010 35400 PM

Good afternoon Mr Ebanks The intent of Subsection 422 of NFPA 30A Code for Motor Fuel Dispensing Facilities and RepairGarages is that there be no direct piped connection between the aboveground storage tank inthe bulk plant and the fuel dispensing device in the motor fuel dispensing facility In my opinionthis includes any intervening underground storage tank The hazard being addressed is the potential to overfill the underground storage tank due to thestatic head of the liquid in the aboveground storage tank Please understand that this response is a personal opinion and does not constitute a FormalInterpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 of NFPArsquos RegulationsGoverning Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitively determine compliancewith any laws ordinances rules or regulations To determine legal compliance you shouldrefer to the appropriate authority having jurisdiction or seek legal advice It is not intended norshould it be relied upon to provide professional consultation or services To determine theadequacy or safety of any device or installation you should consult with an appropriateprofessional I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will behappy to assist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPARegulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarilyrepresent the official position of the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition thiscorrespondence is neither intended nor should it be relied upon to provide professional consultation orservices cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg Attend the premier event for fire life safety and electrical professionals

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From Ebanks Desmond [mailtoDesmondEbanksgovky] Sent Monday May 24 2010 940 AMTo Benedetti BobSubject bulk storage supply to motor fuel facilities Hi Bob NFPA 30A (2003) 422 gives to positions in relation to motor fuel dispensing facilities (mfdf) that I would like to havefurther clarified for Code intent please The first is that dispensing devices at the mfdf shall not be supplied by ASTs located in the bulk plant Does this implythat supply from a UST (underground storage tank) in the bulk storage facility would be acceptable or to the other extentthat even if the bulk AST supplied a loading rack which in turn supplied a UST both in the bulk facility that supplyfrom the bulk AST is still not permitted The second statement refers to any storage tank at the mfdf saying they shall not be connected by piping to bulkfacility ASTs Similarly does this imply that a UST (underground storage tank) in the bulk storage facility would beacceptable or that if the bulk tank was connected to a loading rack and the loading rack connected by non-permanentmeans to an mfdf tank that this would be permissible RegardsDes EbanksAssistant Petroleum InspectorThe Petroleum InspectorateCayman Islands GovernmentAnderson Square 4th floorPO Box 31213Grand CaymanKY1-1205Cayman IslandsOffice 345 244 3458Mobile 345 925 3317Fax 345 949 0920Email desmondebanksgovky

From Benedetti BobTo Shriniwas BodhankarCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiBcc May PaulSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Monday June 14 2010 50100 PM

Good day Sir There has been no discussion by the Technical Committee on Automotive and Marine ServiceStations to alter the separation distances in Table 4324 of NFPA 30A Code for Motor FuelDispensing Facilities and Repair Garages as they pertain to liquid fuels including high flashpoint diesel fuels Also there have been no proposals to make such a change to NFPA 30A I trust this answers your question R P Benedetti cc -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

Attend the premier event for fire life safety and electrical professionals

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Notice The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for theexclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential andor privileged information If you are not the intendedrecipient please notify Robert Benedetti immediately by replying to the message or by calling (617) 984-7433 Please deletethis message and any attachments from your system Thank you

From Shriniwas Bodhankar [mailtobodhankarenoccom] Sent Tuesday June 01 2010 536 AMTo Maynard Mary Benedetti BobSubject NFPA 30 A Dear sir Reference is made to table no 4324 of NFPA code 30A specifying the minimum distance between storagetanks and dispensing equipment A dispenser should be placed minimum 50 feet away from a bunded abovegroundsteel tank to meet this requirementIn our opinion this is too stringent and uncalled for in case of high flash diesel ( Flash point above 65 degreecentigrade) A bunded tank where spill can be contained within bund is as safe as a vaulted tankfire resistanttankprotected tank Therefore it is equally safe to install an approved dispensing device immediately outside thebund provided the vent of the tank is 4 meters above the grade level on which the dispensing device is installedVarious international oil companies like SHELL amp BP carry similar installations for their fleet customers of dieselMoreover there are standard skids being marketed in EUROPE (even for gasoline) which have storage tanks and

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dispensers on same skid and such an arrangement is accepted by ldquoAuthority Having Jurisdictionrdquo(AHJ)Kindly advise if this standard requirement is being reviewed or otherwise if based on performance based designsuch a requirement may be waived or considered as ldquo highly recommendedrdquo in the leastBased on your feedback we wish to discuss this with AHJ in UAE Regards Regards Shriniwas BodhankarSenior EHS Compliance Officer( Special Projects)Group EHSQ Compliance DepartmentEmirates National Oil Company Limited (ENOC) LLC ENOC House I PO Box 6442Dubai United Arab EmiratesDirect +971 4 313 4437Fax +971 4 313 4482bodhankarenoccom | wwwenoccom

This message together with any attachments contains confidential information and is intended only for the use of theaddressee(s) and may contain information which is covered by legal professional or other privilege If you are not theintended recipient please inform the sender immediately and delete this e-mail You should not copy this e-mail or use itfor any purpose nor disclose its contents to any other person ENOC does not warrant that this transmission is virus freeand will not be liable for any damages resulting from any virus ENOC Dubai UAE

From Benedetti BobTo EActonccfireusCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiBcc May PaulSubject Inquiry NFPA 30A amp NFPA 30Date Monday August 02 2010 44400 PMAttachments DSC06169JPG

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Good day Mr Acton Fire protection provisions for major and minor repair garages and ldquolube-onlyrdquofacilities which is the topic of your concern are provided in NFPA 30A Code for MotorFuel Dispensing Facilities and Repair Garages currently 2008 edition Chapter 5 ofNFPA 30A covers piping systems but its specific provisions focus on piping systemsbetween fuel storage tanks and fuel dispensers Chapter 5 also directly referencesChapter 27 of the 2008 edition of NFPA 30 Flammable and Combustible Liquids Code(successor to Chapter 5 of the 2003 edition) Subsection 527 of NFPA 30A allows piping made from low-melting point materials tobe installed in exposed areas but only in specific locations These are limited tocontainment sumps under dispensers containment sumps for underground fuelstorage tanks and sumps for below-grade piping connections Chapter 5 of NFPA 30Ais silent on piping inside buildings Therefore the user is left with the provisions ofChapter 27 of NFPA 30 NFPA 30 in turn does allow piping fabricated of low melting point materials to beused exposed outdoors or inside buildings with the following provisions ldquo27441 Such materials shall be permitted to be used outdoors above ground orinside buildings provided they meet one of the following conditions (1) They are resistant to damage by fire(2) They are located so that any leakage resulting from failure will not exposepersons important buildings or structures(3) They are located where leakage can be controlled by operation of one or moreaccessible remotely located valvesrdquo Regardless of the material of construction of the piping and components the followinggeneral requirement from Chapter 27 of NFPA 30 always applies ldquo273 General Requirements2731 Performance Standards The design fabrication assembly test and inspectionof piping systems shall be suitable for the working pressures and structural stresses tobe encountered by the piping system Compliance with applicable sections of ASMEB31 Code for Pressure Piping and the provisions of this chapter shall be consideredprima facie evidence of compliance with the foregoing provisions2732 Tightness of Piping Piping systems shall be maintained liquidtight A pipingsystem that has leaks that constitute a hazard shall be emptied of liquid or repaired ina manner acceptable to the authority having jurisdictionrdquo Your interpretation of Subsection 511 of the 2003 edition of NFPA 30 (2711 in the2008 edition) is correct the chapter applies to any piping system that handles aflammable or combustible liquid regardless of pressure Likewise you are correct thatthe piping system must meet the provisions of ASME B31 for the material chosen andthe anticipated operating pressures and temperatures (531 in the 2003 edition 2741 in the 2008 edition) However low melting point materials (aluminum copperbrass and polymeric materials) are allowed under the provisions of Subsection 534(2003 edition) and 2744 (2008 edition) What must be determined is does thepiping system comply with one of the conditions stated in 27441 as stated above

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Please understand that this response is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 ofNFPArsquos Regulations Governing Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon todefinitively determine compliance with any laws ordinances rules or regulations Todetermine legal compliance you should refer to the appropriate authority havingjurisdiction or seek legal advice It is not intended nor should it be relied upon toprovide professional consultation or services To determine the adequacy or safety ofany device or installation you should consult with an appropriate professional I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write Iwill be happy to assist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant toNFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does notnecessarily represent the official position of the NFPA or its Technical Committees Inaddition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it be relied upon to provideprofessional consultation or services cc 30IFI 30AIFI AUVNM FLCTANNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

If you have a reported fire in your home the risk of dyingdecreases by about 80 percent when sprinklers are present

wwwfiresprinklerinitiativeorgNotice The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intendedfor the exclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential andor privileged information If you arenot the intended recipient please notify Robert Benedetti immediately by replying to the message or by calling(617) 984-7433 Please delete this message and any attachments from your system Thank you

From Eric Acton [mailtoEActonccfireus] Sent Monday July 19 2010 636 PMTo Benedetti BobSubject InterpretationOpinion request

Good day My name is Eric Acton I am the Fire Marshal for Campbell CountyWyoming and Irsquom employed by Campbell County Fire Department My NFPA

membership number is 2755369 My mailing and email addresses are listed below I am in need of a technical opinion regarding 2003 NFPA 30 Chapter 5 or morecurrently 2008 NFPA 30A Chapter 5 Some brief project backgroundAn owner within my jurisdiction has built a commercial lube-oil center to servicecustomersrsquo vehicles A ldquopitrdquo exists below the service bay to allow workers to drainthe oil from the vehicle then workers on the main floor refill the oil by use ofpressurized nozzles Several motor oil storage tanks are located in the pitaccounting for several brands and viscosities of oil The tanks are designed to befilled by use of a piping system which extends from an exterior connection vault toeach of the storage tanks using gravity to move the product in the fill-pipingsystem The material the owner chose to construct the fill-piping system wasldquostandardrdquo 1-12rdquo Schedule 40 PVC and Parker Series 7094 Electrically Non-Conductive rubber hose The piping system is exposed it is not underground nor isit protected from flame by means of a fire-rated chase Having identified the use of combustible liquids in this occupancy I utilized 2006International Fire Code (as adopted by my jurisdiction) Chapter 34 Flammable andCombustible Liquids to review and inspect the project IFC Section 340362referred me to NFPA 30 Chapter 5 for the construction materials to use where Iinterpreted (2003 version) 30511 to mean that the piping system components (pipetubing flanges bolting gaskets valves fittingshellip) must meet the requirementsregardless of pressure And that the following components specified in theparagraph must meet the requirements ONLY if they contained pressure ndashhelliprdquoexpansion joints and strainers and devices such thathelliprdquo I further interpreted(2003 version) 30531 Material Specifications similarly in that the ldquoPipe valvesfaucets couplingshelliprdquo must meet the requirements regardless of pressure while ldquohellipother pressure-containing partshelliprdquo meant ONLY the other parts that containedpressure Verbatim to 30511 is encountered in 2008 NFPA 30A Chapter 5paragraph 51 Scope The owner states his piping complies with the standard cited because it is gravity-fed hence no ldquopressurerdquo is seen by the piping components I maintain that thepiping system shall consist of metal pipe (or another material meeting therequirements of ASME B31 as allowed by 2003 NFPA 30531) to comply with NFPA30 and IFC Some assistance to resolve this problem is greatly appreciated I have attachedsome photographs for clarification Thanks for your attentionEric

Eric ActonFire MarshalCampbell County Fire Department 106 Rohan Avenue Gillette WY 82716 (307) 682-5319 ext 8912(307) 686-2222 Fax(307) 680-9612 Cell

eactonccfireus (No trees were harmed in the production of this e-mail however a huge number of electrons were horribly inconvenienced)

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From Benedetti BobTo Howard Jim (Woodbridge)Cc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiBcc May PaulSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Monday June 28 2010 115100 AM

Good morning Mr Howard First I appreciate your patience with me while I reviewed the information sent to meby yourself and Mr Luby of Veeder-Root I wanted to ensure that I thoroughlyunderstood how the system functions in its line leak detection mode My understanding of the arrangement of the piping system from the pair ofunderground storage tanks is that the electronic line leak detector the PLLD tests thesupply piping from the two submersible pumps to the dispensers as a single system This includes the direct piping run from the master pump to the dispensers AND thepiping that connects the slave pump to the direct piping run The intent of Subsection 642 of the 2008 edition of NFPA 30A Code for Motor FuelDispensing Facilities and Repair Garages is to ensure that some type of leak detectiondevice monitors the piping from the submersible pump to the dispensers in such amanner that a leak in the piping leading to the dispensers or in the dispensersthemselves is detected and notification of a leak given Since the two pumps act intandem and since the entire piping system from the pumps to the dispensers ismonitored my personal opinion is that the intent of Subsection 642 is met andevaluation of the system described as being equivalent to what is required bySubsection 642 is reasonable Whether the system described meets the criteria of Section 15 Equivalency of NFPA30A must be determined by the authority having jurisdiction As NFPA Staff Liaison forNFPA 30A I cannot make such a determination under NFPArsquos Regulations GoverningCommittee Projects Please understand that this response is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 ofNFPArsquos Regulations Governing Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon todefinitively determine compliance with any laws ordinances rules or regulations Todetermine legal compliance you should refer to the appropriate authority havingjurisdiction or seek legal advice It is not intended nor should it be relied upon toprovide professional consultation or services To determine the adequacy or safety ofany device or installation you should consult with an appropriate professional I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write Iwill be happy to assist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant toNFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does notnecessarily represent the official position of the NFPA or its Technical Committees Inaddition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it be relied upon to provideprofessional consultation or services cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids Engineer

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National Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

If you have a reported fire in your home the risk of dyingdecreases by about 80 percent when sprinklers are present

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From Howard Jim (Woodbridge) [mailtoJHowardhesscom] Sent Monday June 14 2010 1144 AMTo Benedetti BobCc Howard Jim (Woodbridge) Bob Luby Subject Importance High Bob It was a pleasure talking to you this morning regarding the Line Leak Detection applicationin place at Hess Station 08501 - Milltown DE (drawing attached) as well as several thousandlocations worldwide Here is some background information on this installation

Site had 3 - 10000 gallon gasoline tanks 1 - 10000 Regular (87) 1 - 10000 Plus (89) 1 - 10000 Premium (93) prior to our Dispenser Replacement Project Because of theoverwhelming demand for Regular gasoline (887 in 2009) we converted the existingPlus tank to additional Regular storageDispensers were replaced with new Blend Dispensers Tanks were not manifoldedRegular and former-Plus product lines were manifolded at each dispenserWe installed Veeder-Root PLLDs (Electronic Line Leak Detectors) on the Regular 1and Premium STPs We installed a non-vented Swift Check on Regular 2 (formerPlus) STP Because the PLLD is vented we MUST install a non-vented swift check onRegular STP 2 in order to test the system as a wholeWe have demonstrated via post-construction testing that the system will pick up a 3gph leak

The State of DE has questioned our compliance with NFPA 30A 642 Each pump shallhave installed on the discharge side a listed leak detection device that will provide an audibleor visible indication if the piping or a dispenser is leaking Each leak-detecting device shallbe checked and tested at least annually according to the manufacturers specifications toensure proper installation and operation

Can you comment on whether the system shown on the attached and described above and onour call meets the NFPA requirement or if it meets the definition of Equivalency as definedin Chapter 15 - Equivalency Thank you in advance for your consideration in this matter Please do not hesitate to contactme if there are any questions or concerns on this application ThanksJim Howard RFMPManager Maintenance amp UST ComplianceHess Corporation732-750-6220 (office)800-903-4801 (Emergency Hotline)E-mail UST Inspections to USTCompliancehesscomFax UST Inspections to 866-435-6744

This e-mail and any attachments are for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may containinformation that is confidential If you are not the intended recipient(s) and have received this e-mail in error please immediately notify the sender by return e-mail and delete this e-mail fromyour computer Any distribution disclosure or the taking of any other action by anyone other thanthe intended recipient(s) is strictly prohibited

From Benedetti BobTo Gary KostalCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiBcc May PaulSubject Inquiry NFPA 30 NFPA 30ADate Tuesday August 10 2010 43200 PM

Good afternoon Mr Kostal There are no provisions in NFPA 30 Flammable and Combustible Liquids Code togovern dispensing of motor fuels into motorized equipment and the devices youdescribe are not mentioned at all in NFPA 30 or in the only other related NFPAdocument that might apply NFPA 30A Code for Motor Fuel Dispensing Facilities andRepair Garages I cannot say that these units are either allowed or disallowed because neither NFPA30 nor NFPA 30A speaks about them The only provisions that might apply are the quantity limitations established in thesetwo codes depending on which code applies If the maintenance building is considered an industrial occupancy then Chapter 9 ofNFPA 30 establishes a maximum allowable quantity for of 120 gallons for Class Iliquids (The maximum allowable quantity is actually a threshold value Up to theMAQ compliance with NFPA 30 is not required above it NFPA 30 applies) If the maintenance building is considered a repair garage then NFPA 30A takesprecedence It also sets a 120 gallon limit on the maximum quantity of Class I liquid In both cases the quantity of fuel involved is 50 percent of the maximum allowed Myopinion is that there is no violation of either NFPA 30 or NFPA 30A Please understand that this response is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 ofNFPArsquos Regulations Governing Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon todefinitively determine compliance with any laws ordinances rules or regulations Todetermine legal compliance you should refer to the appropriate authority havingjurisdiction or seek legal advice It is not intended nor should it be relied upon toprovide professional consultation or services To determine the adequacy or safety ofany device or installation you should consult with an appropriate professional I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write Iwill be happy to assist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant toNFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does notnecessarily represent the official position of the NFPA or its Technical Committees Inaddition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it be relied upon to provideprofessional consultation or services cc 30IFI 30AIFI-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch Park

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Quincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg Important Notice This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPA RegulationsAny opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarily represent the officialposition of the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition this correspondence is neither intended norshould it be relied upon to provide professional consultation or services

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From Gary Kostal [mailtogarykbloomingdalefirecom] Sent Monday August 09 2010 328 PMTo Benedetti BobSubject Looking for assistance - portable gas caddies Membership 2329840 Gary KostalFire Prevention DirectorBloomingdale Fire District Question (Non-formal opinion) I have a country club where they service a very large number of lawn maintenance equipment on a dailybasis They are utilizing a portable gas container (gas caddy) that holds approximately 30 gallons ofgasoline The unit is equipped with a hand style pump which is located on the top of the tank Fuel isdispensed from this tank as you crank the pump There are no nozzles located on the hose These gascaddies are being used inside their maintenance building which is fully fire sprinkled They are presentlyusing two of these devices inside the same building which is basically one days use

My question is are these devices allowed for this type of dispensing Are they required to be equippedwith a self closing nozzle What NFPA sections would apply to this particular type of device Thank you for your assistance in this matter

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From Benedetti BobTo SheldonSchallWisconsingovCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Wednesday September 30 2009 45929 PM

Good afternoon Sheldon I will here provide more detailed answers to your questions as posed in the email you sent to me today Section 30A-4323 limits tank storage capacity for Class I and II No limit for Class IIIA or IIIB

You are correct The intent of 4323 is to limit the capacities only of those tanks that storeClass I and II liquids Recall that when NFPA 30A initially allowed aboveground storage tanks atvehicle fueling sites biofuels were not in the picture just gasoline (Class I) and diesel fuel (ClassII) The Technical Committee at the time did not conceive that there would be the need to storeClass III fuels because there werenrsquot any The bottom line NFPA 30A does not limit the capacityof an aboveground storage tank that holds a motor fuel that is a Class III liquid

Section 30A-4324 refers to setbacks in Table 4324 No indication that these setbacks are specific toor exclude any class of flammable or combustible so it appears that the setbacks apply to Class I -Class IIIB liquids This table appears to conflict with the previous section for Class IIIA amp IIIB liquids

This is again correct that the separation distances in Table 4324 are not specific to anyparticular Class of liquid There is no conflict however 4323 deals with tank capacities 4324 deals with separation distances for the tanks Since 4324 does not specify anyparticular liquid class(es) it applies to ALL liquid classes

Section 30A-4325 allows an increased capacity for Class II and III liquids at fleet facilities Thisappears to conflict with section 4323 for Class III liquids which didnt have a capacity limit to startwith

Here there is a conflict or at least a serious inconsistency This provision was added one or twoeditions after 4323 and it appears that biofuels are beginning to be recognized It also appearsthat the intent here was to allow a relaxation of one limit in favor of a more liberal one Theproblem is the original limit doesnrsquot exist making it arguable that the application of 4325 toClass III liquids is meaningless Given the obvious intent here for some limit on Class III liquidfuels 4323 should be amended to include Class IIIs

Section 30A-4327 addresses dispensing from an aboveground tank for Class I and II liquids based uponspecific conditions

Paragraph 4322 is a hold-over dating back to when service stations were covered in Chapter 7of the old versions of NFPA 30 This set of requirements should also be amended to include ClassIIIs

Section 30A-4328 refers to NFPA 30-2171 for spill and overfill This section only applies to class Iand II liquids

While it is true that Subsection 2171 of NFPA 30 only applies to Classes I and II I do not believeit is a conflict for NFPA 30A to also apply it to Class III as well if the Technical Committee it isappropriate to do so However the language needs to be improved or an Annex item should beadded to explain the extrapolation and the reason for it

I will add this to the next meetingrsquos agenda for the Technical Committee on Automotive and MarineService Stations As usual the following applies Please understand that this response to your inquiry is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 of NFPArsquos RegulationsGoverning Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitively determine compliance with anylaws ordinances rules or regulations To determine the adequacy or safety of any device or installationyou should consult with an appropriate professional To determine legal compliance you should refer tothe appropriate authority having jurisdiction or seek legal advice

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I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will be happy toassist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarily represent the official positionof the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it berelied upon to provide professional consultation or services cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

Fire Prevention Week is October 4 ndash 10 2009 Visit wwwfirepreventionweekorg or call 800-344-3555 for moreinformation NFPA Seminars - Apply the codes with confidenceRegister at wwwnfpalearnorg NFPA Membership keeps you up-to-dateVisit wwwnfpaorgjoin for more information Or call 800-344-3555Notice The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for theexclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential andor privileged information If you are not the intendedrecipient please notify Robert Benedetti immediately by replying to the message or by calling (617) 984-7433 Please deletethis message and any attachments from your system Thank you Considering the variables in the sections referenced above are the setbacks in Table 4324 intended toapply to Class IIIA andor Class IIIB liquids for public fueling

From Schall Sheldon - COMMERCE [mailtoSheldonSchallWisconsingov] Sent Wednesday September 30 2009 832 AMTo Benedetti BobSubject NFPA 30A-4324 inquiry - URGENT Section 30A-4323 limits tank storage capacity for Class I and II No limit for Class IIIA or IIIB trueSection 30A-4324 refers to setbacks in Table 4324 No indication that these setbacks are specific toor exclude any class of flammable or combustible so it appears that the setbacks apply to Class I -Class IIIB liquids This table appears to conflict with the previous section for Class IIIA amp IIIB liquids Also trueSection 30A-4325 allows an increased capacity for Class II and III liquids at fleet facilities Thisappears to conflict with section 4323 for Class III liquids which didnt have a capacity limit to startwith Either one or the other needs to changeSection 30A-4327 addresses dispensing from an aboveground tank for Class I and II liquids based uponspecific conditions Need to cover IIIBSection 30A-4328 refers to NFPA 30-2171 for spill and overfill This section only applies to class Iand II liquids Class IIIs need to be specifically addressed Considering the variables in the sections referenced above are the setbacks in Table 4324 intended toapply to Class IIIA andor Class IIIB liquids for public fueling

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From Benedetti BobTo Bill HickmanCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Monday December 14 2009 50332 PM

Good afternoon Mr Hickman To answer your question the separation distances in Table 4324 of NFPA 30A Code for MotorFuel Dispensing Facilities and Repair Garages are intended to apply to outside abovegroundstorage tanks for fuel where such is allowed The tanks inside a service station building majorrepair garage or minor repair garage would likely be handling Class IIIB liquids (flash point gt200 degF) only in accordance with Subsection 4392 of NFPA 30A Subsection 4392 does not set any specific requirements for separation between tanks inside abuilding although it does refer back to Chapters 21 through 23 of NFPA 30 Flammable andCombustible Liquids Code Shell-to-shell spacing distances for aboveground tanks areestablished in Table 22421 Table 22421 is intended for much large tanks than one wouldfind in a repair garage or ldquolube-onlyrdquo facility For example the minimum separation for tanksstoring Class IIIB liquids is 3 feet as set forth in 224212 But again the separationdistances in Chapter 22 of NFPA 30 are intended for tank farm application not for the muchsmaller tanks found in the type of occupancy governed by NFPA 30A Also any facility meeting the requirements of NFPA 30A is considered to be in compliance withNFPA 30 Please understand that this response to your inquiry is a personal opinion and does notconstitute a Formal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 ofNFPArsquos Regulations Governing Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitivelydetermine compliance with any laws ordinances rules or regulations To determine theadequacy or safety of any device or installation you should consult with an appropriateprofessional To determine legal compliance you should refer to the appropriate authorityhaving jurisdiction or seek legal advice I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will behappy to assist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPARegulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarilyrepresent the official position of the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition thiscorrespondence is neither intended nor should it be relied upon to provide professional consultation orservices cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg If you have a reported fire in your home the risk of dyingdecreases by about 80 percent when sprinklers are present

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From Bill Hickman [mailtoBillHickmanstatecous] Sent Tuesday December 01 2009 939 AMTo Benedetti BobSubject Inquiry NFPA 30A - Storage of Liquids Inside Buildings Mr Benedetti Id appreciate your interpretation on an item regarding aboveground tanks storing lubricants (newused oil) inside abuilding at a repair garage NFPA 30A 439 does not include specific spacing requirements for tanks inside buildings Where there are multiple tanks being stored inside the building is there no minimum separation distance requirementthat must be met or do the requirements of Table 4324 apply Thank you in advance for your assistance __________________________________ Bill HickmanInspectorTechnical SpecialistCO Division of Oil amp Public Safety303-378-5090

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From Benedetti BobTo Peznowski EdwardCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Thursday September 03 2009 30455 PM

Hi Ed The 1996 edition of the Flammable and Combustible Liquids Code Handbook was the last one prior to thecurrent 2008 edition The commentary hasnrsquot changed My recollection of the development of this text is that the intent of NFPA 30A Code for Motor FuelDispensing Facilities and Repair Garages is to isolate the motor fuel dispensing area and its attendanthazard completely from the rest of the structure regardless of what else might be in the structure Subsection 524 assumes that the installation involves a motor fuel dispensing operation inside abuilding where you would not expect to have same such as an office building A bus repair facility wouldbe probably classed as a major repair garage and would be expected to have fueling operations Thehazard of this is in my opinion no greater than the repair operations It could be that the language in Subsection 524 needs to be clarified so that it applies only to situationssuch as I first described Please understand that this response to your inquiry is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 of NFPArsquos RegulationsGoverning Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitively determine compliance with anylaws ordinances rules or regulations To determine the adequacy or safety of any device or installationyou should consult with an appropriate professional To determine legal compliance you should refer tothe appropriate authority having jurisdiction or seek legal advice I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will be happy toassist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarily represent the official positionof the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it berelied upon to provide professional consultation or services cc 30AIFI 30AFAQ AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

Fire Prevention Week is October 4 ndash 10 2009 Visit wwwfirepreventionweekorg or call 800-344-3555 for moreinformation NFPA Seminars - Apply the codes with confidenceRegister at wwwnfpalearnorg NFPA Membership keeps you up-to-dateVisit wwwnfpaorgjoin for more information Or call 800-344-3555Notice The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for the

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exclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential andor privileged information If you are not the intendedrecipient please notify Robert Benedetti immediately by replying to the message or by calling (617) 984-7433 Please deletethis message and any attachments from your system Thank you

From Peznowski Edward [mailtoEdwardPeznowskipostatectus] Sent Monday August 31 2009 127 PMTo Benedetti BobSubject NFPA 30A Hi Bob Sorry to bother you but I need your help and interpretation of the following section of NFPA 30A 2000edition 524 - All piping inside buildings but outside the motor fuel dispensing area shall be enclosed within ahorizontal chase or a vertical shaft used only for this piping Vertical shafts and horizontal chases shall beconstructed of materials having a fire resistance rating of not less than 2 hours Bob I have a bus repair facility being built and we have fuel dispensing area within the building enclosedwith a 2hr fire resistive separation My question is I have diesel fuel piping coming from two tanks locatedoutside of the building the piping runs outside of the dispensing area does this piping need to be enclosed Ihave the proper UL listed system for through wall penetrations My problem lies here I have natural gas heating fuel oil lines for boilers and diesel fuel line for thegenerator all running through the area outside the 2 hour rated dispensing area which are not required to beenclosed My thought is within the 2 hour fire resistive construction I have storage rooms for grease and oil a office forfuel dispensing Any fuel piping running through these areas would be enclosed but once I go outside my 2hrrated enclosure the piping would not have to be enclosed NFPA 30A (1996edition)6-42 - All fuel and flammable vapor piping inside buildings but outside the service station area shall beenclosed within a horizontal chase or a vertical shaft used only for this piping Vertical shafts and horizontalchases shall be constructed of materials having a fire resistance rating of not less than 2 hoursCOMMENTARY 6-42 The intent of this requirement is to preserve the isolation of the service stationoperation from the rest of the building I donrsquot have the 2000 handbook for commentary Thanks Bob Edward J PeznowskiFire amp Life Safety SpecialistBureau of EngineeringOffice State Fire Marshal860-685-8350

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From Benedetti BobTo Hamilton James P (HOY)Cc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiSubject Inquiry NFPA 30A-2008Date Monday September 14 2009 115041 AM

Good morning Mr Hamilton The intent of this particular provision of Subsection 672 of NFPA 30A Code for Motor Fuel DispensingFacilities and Repair Garages is to ensure that the patron has access to a second disconnect if he or shecannot reach the primary disconnect ie the one that is between 20 and 100 feet from the dispenser In my opinion all of the emergency disconnects required by Section 67 must be at least 20 ft but normore than 100 ft from the nearest dispenser Please understand that this response to your inquiry is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 of NFPArsquos RegulationsGoverning Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitively determine compliance with anylaws ordinances rules or regulations To determine the adequacy or safety of any device or installationyou should consult with an appropriate professional To determine legal compliance you should refer tothe appropriate authority having jurisdiction or seek legal advice I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will be happy toassist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarily represent the official positionof the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it berelied upon to provide professional consultation or services cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

Fire Prevention Week is October 4 ndash 10 2009 Visit wwwfirepreventionweekorg or call 800-344-3555 for moreinformation NFPA Seminars - Apply the codes with confidenceRegister at wwwnfpalearnorg NFPA Membership keeps you up-to-dateVisit wwwnfpaorgjoin for more information Or call 800-344-3555Notice The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for theexclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential andor privileged information If you are not the intendedrecipient please notify Robert Benedetti immediately by replying to the message or by calling (617) 984-7433 Please deletethis message and any attachments from your system Thank you

From Hamilton James P (HOY) [mailtoHAMILTONJPbechteljacobsorg] Sent Thursday September 10 2009 1224 PMTo Benedetti BobSubject NFPA 30A 2008 Edition

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Importance High

NFPA 30A 672 states at least one additional device or disconnect shall be readily accessible toeach group of dispensing devices on an individual island Our installation does not have islands Should the second emergency shutoff be installed close to the pumps or between 20 and 100 ofthe pumps

Please respond back via email hamiltonjpbechteljacobsorg

Thanks

NFPA 127130 James P Hamilton CFPSTetraTek Inc - Fire Safety TechnologiesFire Protection LeadK-27 Pre-Demo Project 790 Emory Valley Rd 811 Oak Ridge TN 37830 ETTP Office 865-241-1902

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From Benedetti BobTo Scott DavonskiCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Tuesday August 04 2009 92429 AM

Good morning Mr Davonski My opinion is that the intent of the requirement in Subsection 1141 of NFPA 30A Code for Motor FuelDispensing Facilities and Repair Garages is that any hose longer than 18 feet should not simply bestrung along the dockrsquos surface Using a reel would be one means of securing the hose although Irsquomsure other methods such as hangers would work as well Please understand that this response to your inquiry is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 of NFPArsquos RegulationsGoverning Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitively determine compliance with anylaws ordinances rules or regulations To determine the adequacy or safety of any device or installationyou should consult with an appropriate professional To determine legal compliance you should refer tothe appropriate authority having jurisdiction or seek legal advice I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will be happy toassist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarily represent the official positionof the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it berelied upon to provide professional consultation or services cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

Fire Prevention Week is October 4 ndash 10 2009 Visit wwwfirepreventionweekorg or call 800-344-3555 for moreinformation NFPA Seminars - Apply the codes with confidenceRegister at wwwnfpalearnorg NFPA Membership keeps you up-to-dateVisit wwwnfpaorgjoin for more information Or call 800-344-3555Notice The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for theexclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential andor privileged information If you are not the intendedrecipient please notify Robert Benedetti immediately by replying to the message or by calling (617) 984-7433 Please deletethis message and any attachments from your system Thank you

From Scott Davonski [mailtodavonskiRiverheadlicom] Sent Wednesday July 22 2009 1118 AMTo Benedetti BobSubject 30A clarification

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1141 All hose shall be listed Where hose length exceeds 55 m (18 ft) the hose shall besecured so as to protect it from damage Can you provide clarification as to what is meant by ldquosecured so as to protect it fromdamagerdquo Is the standard looking not to have the hoses on the dock In a reel Any clarificationinformation would be appreciated Scott W DavonskiChief Fire MarshalTown of RiverheadP- 631-727-3200 ext 209F- 631-727-3370

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Report on Comments ndash June 2011 NFPA 30A_______________________________________________________________________________________________30A- Log 6

_______________________________________________________________________________________________John F Bender Underwriters Laboratories Inc

30A-6Revise text as follows

Underwriters Laboratories Inc 333 Pfingsten Road Northbrook IL 60062-2096UL 87 Standard for Power-Operated Dispensing Devices for Petroleum Products 2001 Revised 2008ANSIUL 842 Standard for Valves for Flammable Fluids 2007 Revised 2010UL 2080 Standard for Fire Resistant Tanks for Flammable and Combustible Liquids 2000ANSIUL 2085 Standard for Protected Aboveground Tanks for Flammable and Combustible Liquids 1997 Revised

1999UL 2245 Standard for Below-Grade Vaults for Flammable Liquid Storage Tanks 2006

Updated referenced standards to most recent revisions Add ANSI approval designation to ANSIUL842 and ANSIUL 2085

1Printed on 9132010

Report on Comments ndash June 2011 NFPA 30A_______________________________________________________________________________________________30A- Log 4

_______________________________________________________________________________________________Marshall A Klein Marshall A Klein amp Associates Inc

30A-7Revise text to read as follows

331 Basement Basement For the purposes of this code a story of a building or structure having one-half or more ofits height below ground level and to which access for fire-fighting purposes is restricted [302008] Any story of a buildingwholly or partly below grade plane that is not considered the first story above grade plane (Also see 33X ldquoFirst StoryAbove Grade Planerdquo 33Y ldquoGrade Planerdquo and 33Z ldquoStoryrdquo) [5000 2009]33X First Story Above Grade Plane Any story having its finished floor surface entirely above grade plane except

that a basement shall be considered as a first story above grade plane where the finished surface of the floor above thebasement is (1) more than 6 ft (1830 mm) above grade plane or (2) more than 12 ft (3660 mm) above the finished levelat any point (See also 33Z ldquoStoryrdquo) [5000 2009]33Z Story The portion of a building located between the upper surface of a floor and the upper surface of the floor or

roof next above [5000 2009]33Y Grade Plane A reference plane representing the average of the finished ground level adjoining the building at all

exterior walls When the finished ground level slopes down from the exterior walls the grade plane is established by thelowest points within the area between the building and the lot line or when the lot line is more than 6 ft (1830 mm) fromthe building between the building and a point 6 ft (1830 mm) from the building (See also 33W ldquoFinished Ground Level(Graderdquo) [5000 2009]33W Finished Ground Level (Grade) The level of the finished ground (earth or other surface on ground) (See also33Y ldquoGrade Planerdquo) [5000 2009]

The Committeersquos substantiation for this Committee Proposal was ldquoThis definition is the preferreddefinition from the NFPA Glossary of Terms Changing the secondary definition to the preferred definition complies withthe Glossary of Terms Projectrdquo Also the Committeersquos statement said in part ldquohellipThe key issue relative to NFPA 30A issafe access to and evacuation from the basement area by emergency responders during an emergencyrdquo

Since the first edition of the NFPA 5000 Building Code the NFPA 30A Committee has attempted to be in correlationwith NFPA 5000 and the other Model Building Code in the the United States IBC The dispensing facilities and repairgarage buildings constructed under the NFPA 30A are also required to comply with the local building code which will beeither NFPA 5000 or IBC The proposed definition for ldquobasementrdquo that is taken from NFPA 30 is more suited for thelarger flammable and combustible types of facilities built under NFPA 30 not the service centersrepair garages builtunder NFPA 30A and the building codes

NFPA 30A should stay with its present position to correlate with the definition for a ldquobasementrdquo with NFPA 5000ldquoBuilding Construction and safety Coderdquo and not replace this definition with the one that is in NFPA 30 ldquoFlammable andCombustible Liquids Coderdquo

The term ldquobasementrdquo is only used in the NFPA 30A Code in Section 423 that deals with ignitable vapors in abasement or pit and Section 746 that applies when sprinklers are required to be installed in the basement of a majorrepair garage The two NFPA 30A sections on basements relate more to the application of the requirements in NFPA5000 and IBC than to the requirements in NFPA 30 ldquoFlammable and Combustible Liquids Coderdquo As I have notedabove during the development of the NFPA 5000 Building Code the NFPA 30A Committee was very careful tocorrelate its requirements with NFPA 5000 NFPA 101 amp IBC so that there would be minimum conflicts in theapplication of the requirements of NFPA 30A with these other Codes that greatly impact the design and construction ofMotor Fuel Dispensing Facilities and Repair Garages The definition of ldquobasementrdquo is critically important forbuilding design and should be correlated with the building codes used throughout the US and we should not use adifferent definition for basement that would cause confusion and cost in the design and application of the NFPA 30Arequirements where NFPA 5000 NFPA 101 or IBC Codes are also adopted

I have also included the addition of the definitions of ldquoFirst Story Above Grade Planerdquo ldquoStoryrdquo ldquoGrade Planerdquo andldquoFinished Ground Level (Grade)rdquo from NFPA 5000 to provide complete correlation on these building definitions withNFPA 5000 and the IBC For individuals using NFPA 30A that are only used to working with NFPA 30 these definitions

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Report on Comments ndash June 2011 NFPA 30Amay seem like overkill but to the great majority of code officials designers and owners of these types of dispensingfacilities and repair garages correlation of these terms with NFPA 5000 and IBC are critical to prevent major conflictsdelays and cost increases in interpretations and applications of code requirements between the building departmentsand fire departments

In summation based on the two sections in NFPA 30A that cover a ldquobasementrdquo requirement it serves the public interestbetter to use the ldquobasementrdquo definition and its related building definitions from NFPA 5000 to properly correlate with themodel buildings codes not NFPA 30

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Report on Comments ndash June 2011 NFPA 30A_______________________________________________________________________________________________30A- Log 1

_______________________________________________________________________________________________Alex Ralston Petcon Inc

NARevise text to read as follows

Means shall be provided to sound an audible alarm when the liquid level in the tank reaches 90 percent of capacityMeans shall also be provided either to automatically stop the flow of liquid into the tank when the liquid level reaches 98percent capacity or to restrict the flow of liquid into the tank to a maximum flow rate of 95L min (25 gpm) when theliquid level in the tank reaches 95 percent capacityThe federal underground storage tank rules state that means shall be provided to stop the flow of liquid into the tank

when the liquid reaches 95 percent capacity or restrict the flow into the tank when the liquid level reaches 90 percentcapacity

None given

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Report on Comments ndash June 2011 NFPA 30A_______________________________________________________________________________________________30A- Log 2

_______________________________________________________________________________________________Alex Ralston Petcon Inc

NARevise text to read as follows

On remote pressure pumping systems each pump shall have installed on the discharge side a listed leak detectiondevice that will provide an audible or visible indication if the piping and dispensing devices are not liquid tight Replace with device that will either restrict the flow of product to the dispenser or shut-off the flow of product to

indicate if the piping and dispensing devices are liquid tightThe explanation attempts to explain the federal underground storage tank regulations however the

regulation that provides for an audible or visible alarm relates to overfill prevention in federal regulations not leakdetectionThe regulations on leak detection for pressurized piping in the explanation are correct but if youll note nowhere in the

explanation is audible or visual alarms mentioned

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Report on Comments ndash June 2011 NFPA 30A_______________________________________________________________________________________________30A- Log 8

_______________________________________________________________________________________________Robert Bourke Northeastern Regional Fire Code Development Committee

30A-42Revise to read 623 Fuel-dispensing systems including dispensers hoses nozzleshelliphelliphellip

blended motor fuels shall be listed or approved for the specific purposeThis requirement should only be stating that the equipment is listed for the specific purpose

ldquoApprovedrdquo by definition means ldquoacceptable to the AHJrdquoToo often a Standard may misuse the word ldquoapprovedrdquo in order to not exclude other listing organizations that publish

its list in a document that they refer to as an ldquoApproval Guiderdquo Regardless the document is still a listing

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Report on Comments ndash June 2011 NFPA 30A_______________________________________________________________________________________________30A- Log 3

_______________________________________________________________________________________________David B Wechsler The Dow Chemical Company

30A-34Revise and add new sentences shown under 831 and A831 and modify Table 831 as

indicated831 Table 831 shall be used to delineate and classify areas for the purposes of installing electrical wiring and

electrical utilization equipment (See also Figure 831) WARNING The US National Electrical Code has differentequipment and installation requirements from other International Standards Therefore for example equipment used inEurope may not be acceptable for installation in the USA831 The designation and decision installation and use of electrical equipment for Classes and Divisions in

hazardous (classified) locations are defined Article 500 501 and 504 of NFPA 70 National Electrical Code Thedesignation and design installation and use of electrical equipment for Classes and Zones in hazardous (classified)locations are defined in Article 505 and 504 of NFPA 70 National Electrical Code The designation and designinstallation and use of electrical equipment in lsquoZonesrsquo Zone 0 Zone 1 and Zone 2 are addressed in other internationalstandardsWithin Table 831 add a new column titled ldquoZones and copy the information from the Class I Zone column into this

new columnAlternatively to all of the above remove the ldquoZonesrdquo column completely from Table 831

While the stated intent of this proposal is understood as being to try and deal with the internationalnature of applying NFPA 30A there are problems with the approach presented by a simple extraction from the NECFirst as presented the new column only addresses the US Zone methodology The US Zone methodology for

flammable vapor gases liquids and combustible vapors and liquids is identified by the terms lsquoClass I Zone 0rsquo lsquoClass IZone 1rsquo and lsquoClass I Zone 2rsquo However under the IEC or ATEX (aka Europe International) the terms are simply lsquoZone0rsquo lsquoZone 1rsquo or lsquoZone 2rsquo Therefore the table revision is not correct for international useSecond this TIA and proposal was to lsquoincorporate the (European) Zone System of designating hazardous (classified)

locations and the allowable wiring methods and electrical utilization devices that can be used in themrsquo However the USNEC is not an international code Thus while the US NEC Article 505 does permit the use of the Class I Zonemethodology adding this column in NFPA 30A does not address the more complex nature of the design and installationproblems associated with Zone certified equipment in the US The NEC under Article 5059 Equipment provides for theuse of only AEx equipment as may be seen for example under paragraph ldquo(2) Zone Equipment Equipment meeting oneor more of the protection techniques described in 5058 shall be marked with all of the following in the order shown(1) Class(2) Zone(3) Symbol ldquoAExrdquo(4) Protection technique(s) in accordance with Table 5059(C)(2)(4)(5) Applicable gas classification group(s) in accordance with Table 9(C)(1)(2)Without adding additional text usersinspectors etc may think using Zones is just like using the Division methodology

This is not true and equipment not otherwise permitted under the US NEC may be installed because of the impliedactions currently reflected in this proposal This is a significant issue

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Report on Comments ndash June 2011 NFPA 30A_______________________________________________________________________________________________30A- Log 9

_______________________________________________________________________________________________Donald R Offerdahl North Dakota State Electrical Board

30A-36Insert figure for 831(B)

Insert Artwork Figure 831(A) and 831(B) Here

Proposal 30A-36 should have been accepted in principal these types of storage tanks and dispensersare widely used in farms construction sites and business fleet operations

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Report on Comments ndash June 2011 NFPA 30A_______________________________________________________________________________________________30A- Log 5

_______________________________________________________________________________________________Mindy Wang Ampco Safety Tools

30A-39Not proposing new text Please see comment in Substantiation

Although procedures for cleanup of spills is not within the scope of NFPA 30A we feel compelled toaddress API 2214 referenced by the Committee Information presented below shows API 2214 is misleading andundermines safe work practices In fact API 2214 conflicts with OSHA regulations Accredited Standards Developerrsquosstandards and safe work practices FM Approvals LLC formerly Factory Mutual Research Corporation (FM) is an international organization recognized

by the US government as a Nationally Recognized Testing Laboratory (NRTL) for scientific research and productcertification Product approval from a NRTL assures that products meet consensus-based standards of safety to providethe assurance required by OSHA that these products are safe for use in the United States workplace FM ApprovalStandard 7910 Spark Resistant Tools is used as guidance to evaluate tools intended for use in environments wherethere is a risk of ignition of flammable materials dusts or vapors resulting from sparks created by iron and steel handtools These tools prevent the ignition of flammable materials dusts or vapors by mechanical sparks created by the useof iron and steel hand tools slipping or striking a surface American Petroleum Institute (API) Publication 2214contradicts NRTL research and product certification as evidence in FM Approvals granted for spark resistance toolsFM has conducted tests of Ampco Safety Tools as covered in Report Job Identification No IN4A0AF in accordancewith the requirements of Safety Tools Approval Test Procedure Class 7910 and test results show

Sparks created from steel plates ignited carbon disulfide saturated pads eight of eight tests ethyl ether pads fiveof eight tests and naphtha VMampP four of eight tests

No sparks were observed and no ignition of the flammable liquids mentioned above from approved Ampco SafetyTools Other investigations also contradict APIrsquos conclusion on non-sparking tools A paper published in the Fire Protection

Journal ldquoThe Danger of Incendive Sparksrdquo stated that after APIrsquos conclusion on ldquonon-sparkingrdquo tools Institute ofPetroleum sought the advice of the Fire Research Board Committee on Industrial Fires and Explosion This committeecame to certain conclusions one of which was ldquoUntilhellipevidence is obtained to show that the impact of steel hand toolson steel is safe it is advisable to use non-sparking tools in situations where flammable atmospheres are unavoidablerdquo The NFPA Fire Protection Handbook 20th edition published in January 2008 does not support the conclusion that

API 2214 represents In fact many NFPA codes the use of ldquonon-sparkingrdquo tools in flammable atmospheresAccording to NFPA Fire Protection Handbook ldquoWhen flammable and combustible liquids are stored or handled theliquid is usually exposed to the air at some stage in the operation except where the storage is confined to sealedcontainers that are not filled or opened on the premises or where handling is in closed systems and vapor losses arerecovered Even when the storage or handling is in a closed system there is always the possibility of breaks or leakswhich permit the liquid to escape It is a to eliminate sources of ignition in places where low flashpointflammable liquids are stored handled or used even though no vapor may ordinarily be presentrdquo NFPA 921 Guide for Fire and Explosion Investigations 2008 Edition Chapter 5 Basic Fire Science Table 5711

Reported Burning and Sparking Temperature of Selected Ignition Sources under Mechanical Sparks lists a Steel tooltemperature at 2550degF When working with flammable gases liquids or vapors a potential hazard arises because of thepossibility that sparks produced by steel or iron tools can become an ignition source OSHA Flammable and Combustible Liquids regulation 29 CFR Parts 1910106(b) on tank storage paragraph

1910106(b)(6) states that precaution shall be taken to eliminate or control sources of ignitions including frictional heatand mechanical sparks to prevent the ignition of flammable vapors In OSHA regulation 29 CFR 1910146 Permit-Required Confined Spaces Appendix D Confined Space Pre-Entry

Check List non-sparking tool is listed as one type of entry equipment OSHA 29 CFR 1910146 StandardInterpretations Interpretative guidance and equipment approved for hazardous locations relative to the Permit-RequiredConfined Spaces states that ldquohellipthe standard does not prohibit entry into a permit space where a hazardous flammableatmosphere is at or above the 10 LFL For concentrations at or above 10 LFL paragraph (d) would theemployer to incorporate safe work procedures to address the flammableexplosive hazard (such as equipment approvedfor hazardous locations) in the entry plan for those spaces Electrical equipment as well as other sources of ignition(non-sparking hand tools) be considered and addressed for the hazardous atmosphererdquo OSHA regulation 29 CFR Parts 1910120 Hazardous waste operations and emergency response paragraph

1910120(j)(2)(v) requires that ldquoWhen there is a reasonable possibility of flammable atmospheres being present

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Report on Comments ndash June 2011 NFPA 30Amaterial handling equipment and hand tools shall be of the type to prevent sources of ignition EPA has identifiedsolvents such as xylene acetone ethyl acetate ethyl benzene and ethyl ether commonly used in all industries (theF-list) and discarded commercial chemical products such as acetone benzene ethyl ether and xylene (the P-list andU-list) as ignitable hazardous wastes API members such as ExxonMobil and Chevron as well as others in the petroleum industry such as Valero CITGO

Petroleum Corporation Chem-Supply Pty Ltd Irving Oil Ltd Petrol Star Inc Nova Chemicals and El Paso Corporationregularly the use of ldquonon-sparkingrdquo tools under Accidental Release Measures and Handling and Storage sectionsin the MSDSrsquos for their petroleum products These companies clearly recognize the need for ldquonon-sparkingrdquo tools inworking with and around flammable materials API 2214 Section 12 Background ldquohellipthese engineers pointed out that although numerous opportunities existed for

the production of sparks from violent contact of steel objects with other steel objects there was a negligible record offires resulting from such a causerdquo On the contrary there are a number of documented incidents involving flammablevapors ignited by steel sparks from tools A few examples are as follows

OSHA inspection 300965795 an employee in the process of cleaning loose material from drill piping with ametal hammer While striking the pipe with a hammer an explosion occurred Employee was killed in the explosion onsite

OSHA inspection 2272953 two employees were assigned the job of tending a 100 gallon (water jacket) reactorkettle of methyl methacrylate in the mixing room Employee 1 used a metal wrench (visegrips) to pry open the cover ofa kettle The wrench handle struck the angle iron support for the agitator motor producing a spark Employee 2noticed the spark which was immediately followed by a massive ldquofire ballrdquo Both employees were engulfed in thefireball Employee 3 came to the area to assist the other employees The investigation states that non-sparking toolswere not provided for the employees All three employees received first and second degree burns on their face armsand abdomen Employee 2 also received some third degree burns All three employees were hospitalized

OSHA inspection 124728437 Employee 1 and a coworker both maintenance mechanics were working in a 30inch by 36 inch manhole at a gas station Employee 1 was trying to change a fuel pump while the coworker watchedfrom outside the manhole Employee 1 was using an Allen wrench to loosen the bolts on the fuel pump lead when hecreated a spark that ignited the gas fumes in the manhole causing an explosion Employee 1 suffered burns to hisface hands arms and legs in the explosion and was hospitalized

OSHA inspection 111109237 Employee 1 or 3 attempted to cut a metal pipe with a metal saw whileEmployee 2 was standing on top of one of two 5000 gallon gas tanks trying to remove a tank fitting Sparks from thesaw the pipe wrench or another unknown source ignited the gas vapors which exploded Employees 1 and 3 werekilled of burns at the scene Employee 2 died at the burn center as a result of burns sustained in the explosion

OSHA inspection 102826625 Employee 1 worked for a company that cleans paints and replaces valves in LPand MAPP gas cylinders Before removing an old valve Employee 1 would open the valve to let the residual gas leakout on the loading dock Where there was a large quantity of cylinders Employee 1 would invert the cylinder so theresidual gas could vent faster Employee 1 had an accumulation of a gas and air mixture around his work area Thevapors were ignited either by a spark from the metal screwdriver he was using to open a damaged valve or by an openflame burner approximately 40 feet away There was a fire and explosion The employee sustained 2nd and 3rd degreeburns on the lower half of his body and was hospitalized

OSHA inspection 607366 an employee was sawing an airplane wing into sections with a portable powered handsaw the saw created a spark that caused an explosion of gasoline vapors in the wing fuel tank Employee 1 killed andEmployee 2 injured in explosion and was hospitalized

OSHA inspection 309178523 employer was cited for violating Section 5(a)(1) of the Occupational Safety andHealth Act of 1970 often referred to as the General Duty Clause which requires employers to furnish to each of hisemployees employment and a place of employment which are free from recognized hazards that are causing or arelikely to cause death or serious physical harm to his employees for exposing employee to an explosion hazard byopening the hydrogen tube trailer main valve without using non-sparking tools

OSHA inspection 304994304 employer was cited for violating Section 5(a)(1) of the Occupational Safety andHealth Act of 1970 violation for exposing employee to a fireexplosion hazard while performing maintenance operationson LP gas tanks with ferrous tools One feasible and acceptable abatement method to correct this hazard is toimplement the use of non- sparking toolsThe Report of the BP US Refineries independent Safety Review Panel also known as the Baker Panel Report states

that ldquoPreventing process accidents requires vigilance The passing of time without a process accident is not necessarilyan indicator that all is well and may contribute to a dangerous and growing sense of complacencyrdquo This sample ofOSHA documented events illustrates accidents do happen when proper safety measures are not taken againstmechanical sparks from steel tools as a possible ignition sourceHaving said that we appreciate the Committeersquos time and agree with the Committee that procedures for cleanup of

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Report on Comments ndash June 2011 NFPA 30Aspills is not within the scope of NFPA 30A

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Report on Comments ndash June 2011 NFPA 30A_______________________________________________________________________________________________30A- Log 7

_______________________________________________________________________________________________Robert Bourke Northeastern Regional Fire Code Development Committee

30A-19Add a new section to read 11721 Where approved by the Authority Having Jurisdiction piers

that extend more than 152 m (500 ft) in travel distance from shore shall be permitted to provide a Class I standpipe thatis installed in accordance with NFPA 14 Standard for the Installation of Standpipe and Hose Systems

The TC missed the point in the substantiation of the proposalIt was not the intent of the proposal to obtain additional flexibility of FD use over that which is provided by a Class III

standpipe system The intent of the proposal was to provide relief from the requirement where the local AHJ feels thatthe effectiveness and likelihood of occupant use of fire hoses does not justify the added risk to the occupant or theinstallation and maintenance costs associated with the requisite hose for a Class III system A Class I system would stillprovide FD fire fighting capabilities in jurisdictions where the AHJ prefers occupants to evacuate and not attempt to fightfires beyond portable fire extinguisher capability

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From Benedetti BobTo bcotnerswriorgCc Harrington Greg Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiBcc May PaulSubject Inquiry NFPA 30 amp NFPA 30ADate Thursday July 08 2010 121900 PM

Good Morning Mr Cotner Greg Harrington asked that I respond to your question about the proper use ofintermediate bulk containers Actually an intermediate bulk container is a shipping vessel that must meetrequirements and specifications of the U S Department of Transportation for shippingmaterials from Point A to Point B It is not intended to be a storage vessel althoughthe liquid contained is obviously dispensed from the vessel for use Dispensing of motor fuels is covered by NFPA 30A Code for Motor Fuel DispensingFacilities and Repair Garages NFPA 30A states in Subsection 421 421 Liquids shall be stored in the following(1) Approved closed containers that do not exceed 227 L (60 gal) capacity and arelocated outside buildings(2) Tanks or approved closed containers located inside motor fuel dispensingfacilities or repair garages(3) Aboveground tanks underground tanks and containers in accordance with therequirements of Section 43(4) Tanks supplying marine service stations in accordance with Section 112 Section 43 states the following 432 Aboveground Storage Tanks Except as modified by the provisions of thissubsection aboveground storage tanks shall meet all applicable requirements ofChapters 21 through 23 and 27 of NFPA 30 Flammable and Combustible Liquids Code So in accordance with NFPA 30A Subsection 421(3) indicates that abovegroundstorage of motor fuel must be in a tank that meets the provisions of Section 43 Thelatter in turn references the Chapters in NFPA 30 that deal with fixed storage tanks Nowhere in these chapters is there any reference to an intermediate bulk container Chapter 9 of NFPA 30 does recognize an intermediate bulk container for warehouse-type storage of Class I flammable liquids but does not anticipate continual dispensingand use One could evaluate an intermediate bulk container as a means of long-term storageand dispensing of liquids under the Equivalency clause My opinion is that an intermediate bulk container is not considered a substitute for anaboveground storage tank but this is not specifically stated in the relevant codes This issue will be added to the agendas for the Technical Committees involved Please understand that this response is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 ofNFPArsquos Regulations Governing Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon todefinitively determine compliance with any laws ordinances rules or regulations Todetermine legal compliance you should refer to the appropriate authority havingjurisdiction or seek legal advice It is not intended nor should it be relied upon toprovide professional consultation or services To determine the adequacy or safety ofany device or installation you should consult with an appropriate professional

bbenedetti
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I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write Iwill be happy to assist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant toNFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does notnecessarily represent the official position of the NFPA or its Technical Committees Inaddition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it be relied upon to provideprofessional consultation or services cc 30IFI 30AIFI AUVNM FLCSWCNM FLCTANNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

If you have a reported fire in your home the risk of dyingdecreases by about 80 percent when sprinklers are present

wwwfiresprinklerinitiativeorgNotice The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intendedfor the exclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential andor privileged information If you arenot the intended recipient please notify Robert Benedetti immediately by replying to the message or by calling(617) 984-7433 Please delete this message and any attachments from your system Thank you

From Harrington Greg Sent Wednesday July 07 2010 350 PMTo Benedetti BobSubject FW Intermediate Bulk Containers Hi Bob Can you answer the question below Hersquos a friend of mine former inspector with San Antonio FD when Iworked down there now a safety guy at SWRI Thanks a lot --Greg

From Bill Cotner [mailtobcotnerswriorg] Sent Wednesday July 07 2010 332 PMTo Harrington GregSubject Intermediate Bulk Containers Hey Greg howrsquos the heat in Boston here it is a balmy 93 enjoying it I have a question probably out ofyour area but Irsquom sure you know who to route it to We have a group here that wants to dispense fuelfrom a stainless steel IBC into test engines I donrsquot think that is the intended use or what it has beenlisted for Can I get some guidance on this issue I appreciate anything you can do for me Bill Bill CotnerSenior Fire SpecialistEnvironmental Safety and Quality SystemsSouthwest Research InstitutePhone (210) 522-5101Fax (210) 522-5093Mobile (210) 669-7005Email bcotner swriorg

From Benedetti BobTo Ebanks DesmondCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiBcc May PaulSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Monday June 14 2010 35400 PM

Good afternoon Mr Ebanks The intent of Subsection 422 of NFPA 30A Code for Motor Fuel Dispensing Facilities and RepairGarages is that there be no direct piped connection between the aboveground storage tank inthe bulk plant and the fuel dispensing device in the motor fuel dispensing facility In my opinionthis includes any intervening underground storage tank The hazard being addressed is the potential to overfill the underground storage tank due to thestatic head of the liquid in the aboveground storage tank Please understand that this response is a personal opinion and does not constitute a FormalInterpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 of NFPArsquos RegulationsGoverning Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitively determine compliancewith any laws ordinances rules or regulations To determine legal compliance you shouldrefer to the appropriate authority having jurisdiction or seek legal advice It is not intended norshould it be relied upon to provide professional consultation or services To determine theadequacy or safety of any device or installation you should consult with an appropriateprofessional I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will behappy to assist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPARegulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarilyrepresent the official position of the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition thiscorrespondence is neither intended nor should it be relied upon to provide professional consultation orservices cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg Attend the premier event for fire life safety and electrical professionals

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From Ebanks Desmond [mailtoDesmondEbanksgovky] Sent Monday May 24 2010 940 AMTo Benedetti BobSubject bulk storage supply to motor fuel facilities Hi Bob NFPA 30A (2003) 422 gives to positions in relation to motor fuel dispensing facilities (mfdf) that I would like to havefurther clarified for Code intent please The first is that dispensing devices at the mfdf shall not be supplied by ASTs located in the bulk plant Does this implythat supply from a UST (underground storage tank) in the bulk storage facility would be acceptable or to the other extentthat even if the bulk AST supplied a loading rack which in turn supplied a UST both in the bulk facility that supplyfrom the bulk AST is still not permitted The second statement refers to any storage tank at the mfdf saying they shall not be connected by piping to bulkfacility ASTs Similarly does this imply that a UST (underground storage tank) in the bulk storage facility would beacceptable or that if the bulk tank was connected to a loading rack and the loading rack connected by non-permanentmeans to an mfdf tank that this would be permissible RegardsDes EbanksAssistant Petroleum InspectorThe Petroleum InspectorateCayman Islands GovernmentAnderson Square 4th floorPO Box 31213Grand CaymanKY1-1205Cayman IslandsOffice 345 244 3458Mobile 345 925 3317Fax 345 949 0920Email desmondebanksgovky

From Benedetti BobTo Shriniwas BodhankarCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiBcc May PaulSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Monday June 14 2010 50100 PM

Good day Sir There has been no discussion by the Technical Committee on Automotive and Marine ServiceStations to alter the separation distances in Table 4324 of NFPA 30A Code for Motor FuelDispensing Facilities and Repair Garages as they pertain to liquid fuels including high flashpoint diesel fuels Also there have been no proposals to make such a change to NFPA 30A I trust this answers your question R P Benedetti cc -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

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From Shriniwas Bodhankar [mailtobodhankarenoccom] Sent Tuesday June 01 2010 536 AMTo Maynard Mary Benedetti BobSubject NFPA 30 A Dear sir Reference is made to table no 4324 of NFPA code 30A specifying the minimum distance between storagetanks and dispensing equipment A dispenser should be placed minimum 50 feet away from a bunded abovegroundsteel tank to meet this requirementIn our opinion this is too stringent and uncalled for in case of high flash diesel ( Flash point above 65 degreecentigrade) A bunded tank where spill can be contained within bund is as safe as a vaulted tankfire resistanttankprotected tank Therefore it is equally safe to install an approved dispensing device immediately outside thebund provided the vent of the tank is 4 meters above the grade level on which the dispensing device is installedVarious international oil companies like SHELL amp BP carry similar installations for their fleet customers of dieselMoreover there are standard skids being marketed in EUROPE (even for gasoline) which have storage tanks and

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dispensers on same skid and such an arrangement is accepted by ldquoAuthority Having Jurisdictionrdquo(AHJ)Kindly advise if this standard requirement is being reviewed or otherwise if based on performance based designsuch a requirement may be waived or considered as ldquo highly recommendedrdquo in the leastBased on your feedback we wish to discuss this with AHJ in UAE Regards Regards Shriniwas BodhankarSenior EHS Compliance Officer( Special Projects)Group EHSQ Compliance DepartmentEmirates National Oil Company Limited (ENOC) LLC ENOC House I PO Box 6442Dubai United Arab EmiratesDirect +971 4 313 4437Fax +971 4 313 4482bodhankarenoccom | wwwenoccom

This message together with any attachments contains confidential information and is intended only for the use of theaddressee(s) and may contain information which is covered by legal professional or other privilege If you are not theintended recipient please inform the sender immediately and delete this e-mail You should not copy this e-mail or use itfor any purpose nor disclose its contents to any other person ENOC does not warrant that this transmission is virus freeand will not be liable for any damages resulting from any virus ENOC Dubai UAE

From Benedetti BobTo EActonccfireusCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiBcc May PaulSubject Inquiry NFPA 30A amp NFPA 30Date Monday August 02 2010 44400 PMAttachments DSC06169JPG

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Good day Mr Acton Fire protection provisions for major and minor repair garages and ldquolube-onlyrdquofacilities which is the topic of your concern are provided in NFPA 30A Code for MotorFuel Dispensing Facilities and Repair Garages currently 2008 edition Chapter 5 ofNFPA 30A covers piping systems but its specific provisions focus on piping systemsbetween fuel storage tanks and fuel dispensers Chapter 5 also directly referencesChapter 27 of the 2008 edition of NFPA 30 Flammable and Combustible Liquids Code(successor to Chapter 5 of the 2003 edition) Subsection 527 of NFPA 30A allows piping made from low-melting point materials tobe installed in exposed areas but only in specific locations These are limited tocontainment sumps under dispensers containment sumps for underground fuelstorage tanks and sumps for below-grade piping connections Chapter 5 of NFPA 30Ais silent on piping inside buildings Therefore the user is left with the provisions ofChapter 27 of NFPA 30 NFPA 30 in turn does allow piping fabricated of low melting point materials to beused exposed outdoors or inside buildings with the following provisions ldquo27441 Such materials shall be permitted to be used outdoors above ground orinside buildings provided they meet one of the following conditions (1) They are resistant to damage by fire(2) They are located so that any leakage resulting from failure will not exposepersons important buildings or structures(3) They are located where leakage can be controlled by operation of one or moreaccessible remotely located valvesrdquo Regardless of the material of construction of the piping and components the followinggeneral requirement from Chapter 27 of NFPA 30 always applies ldquo273 General Requirements2731 Performance Standards The design fabrication assembly test and inspectionof piping systems shall be suitable for the working pressures and structural stresses tobe encountered by the piping system Compliance with applicable sections of ASMEB31 Code for Pressure Piping and the provisions of this chapter shall be consideredprima facie evidence of compliance with the foregoing provisions2732 Tightness of Piping Piping systems shall be maintained liquidtight A pipingsystem that has leaks that constitute a hazard shall be emptied of liquid or repaired ina manner acceptable to the authority having jurisdictionrdquo Your interpretation of Subsection 511 of the 2003 edition of NFPA 30 (2711 in the2008 edition) is correct the chapter applies to any piping system that handles aflammable or combustible liquid regardless of pressure Likewise you are correct thatthe piping system must meet the provisions of ASME B31 for the material chosen andthe anticipated operating pressures and temperatures (531 in the 2003 edition 2741 in the 2008 edition) However low melting point materials (aluminum copperbrass and polymeric materials) are allowed under the provisions of Subsection 534(2003 edition) and 2744 (2008 edition) What must be determined is does thepiping system comply with one of the conditions stated in 27441 as stated above

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Please understand that this response is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 ofNFPArsquos Regulations Governing Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon todefinitively determine compliance with any laws ordinances rules or regulations Todetermine legal compliance you should refer to the appropriate authority havingjurisdiction or seek legal advice It is not intended nor should it be relied upon toprovide professional consultation or services To determine the adequacy or safety ofany device or installation you should consult with an appropriate professional I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write Iwill be happy to assist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant toNFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does notnecessarily represent the official position of the NFPA or its Technical Committees Inaddition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it be relied upon to provideprofessional consultation or services cc 30IFI 30AIFI AUVNM FLCTANNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

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From Eric Acton [mailtoEActonccfireus] Sent Monday July 19 2010 636 PMTo Benedetti BobSubject InterpretationOpinion request

Good day My name is Eric Acton I am the Fire Marshal for Campbell CountyWyoming and Irsquom employed by Campbell County Fire Department My NFPA

membership number is 2755369 My mailing and email addresses are listed below I am in need of a technical opinion regarding 2003 NFPA 30 Chapter 5 or morecurrently 2008 NFPA 30A Chapter 5 Some brief project backgroundAn owner within my jurisdiction has built a commercial lube-oil center to servicecustomersrsquo vehicles A ldquopitrdquo exists below the service bay to allow workers to drainthe oil from the vehicle then workers on the main floor refill the oil by use ofpressurized nozzles Several motor oil storage tanks are located in the pitaccounting for several brands and viscosities of oil The tanks are designed to befilled by use of a piping system which extends from an exterior connection vault toeach of the storage tanks using gravity to move the product in the fill-pipingsystem The material the owner chose to construct the fill-piping system wasldquostandardrdquo 1-12rdquo Schedule 40 PVC and Parker Series 7094 Electrically Non-Conductive rubber hose The piping system is exposed it is not underground nor isit protected from flame by means of a fire-rated chase Having identified the use of combustible liquids in this occupancy I utilized 2006International Fire Code (as adopted by my jurisdiction) Chapter 34 Flammable andCombustible Liquids to review and inspect the project IFC Section 340362referred me to NFPA 30 Chapter 5 for the construction materials to use where Iinterpreted (2003 version) 30511 to mean that the piping system components (pipetubing flanges bolting gaskets valves fittingshellip) must meet the requirementsregardless of pressure And that the following components specified in theparagraph must meet the requirements ONLY if they contained pressure ndashhelliprdquoexpansion joints and strainers and devices such thathelliprdquo I further interpreted(2003 version) 30531 Material Specifications similarly in that the ldquoPipe valvesfaucets couplingshelliprdquo must meet the requirements regardless of pressure while ldquohellipother pressure-containing partshelliprdquo meant ONLY the other parts that containedpressure Verbatim to 30511 is encountered in 2008 NFPA 30A Chapter 5paragraph 51 Scope The owner states his piping complies with the standard cited because it is gravity-fed hence no ldquopressurerdquo is seen by the piping components I maintain that thepiping system shall consist of metal pipe (or another material meeting therequirements of ASME B31 as allowed by 2003 NFPA 30531) to comply with NFPA30 and IFC Some assistance to resolve this problem is greatly appreciated I have attachedsome photographs for clarification Thanks for your attentionEric

Eric ActonFire MarshalCampbell County Fire Department 106 Rohan Avenue Gillette WY 82716 (307) 682-5319 ext 8912(307) 686-2222 Fax(307) 680-9612 Cell

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From Benedetti BobTo Howard Jim (Woodbridge)Cc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiBcc May PaulSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Monday June 28 2010 115100 AM

Good morning Mr Howard First I appreciate your patience with me while I reviewed the information sent to meby yourself and Mr Luby of Veeder-Root I wanted to ensure that I thoroughlyunderstood how the system functions in its line leak detection mode My understanding of the arrangement of the piping system from the pair ofunderground storage tanks is that the electronic line leak detector the PLLD tests thesupply piping from the two submersible pumps to the dispensers as a single system This includes the direct piping run from the master pump to the dispensers AND thepiping that connects the slave pump to the direct piping run The intent of Subsection 642 of the 2008 edition of NFPA 30A Code for Motor FuelDispensing Facilities and Repair Garages is to ensure that some type of leak detectiondevice monitors the piping from the submersible pump to the dispensers in such amanner that a leak in the piping leading to the dispensers or in the dispensersthemselves is detected and notification of a leak given Since the two pumps act intandem and since the entire piping system from the pumps to the dispensers ismonitored my personal opinion is that the intent of Subsection 642 is met andevaluation of the system described as being equivalent to what is required bySubsection 642 is reasonable Whether the system described meets the criteria of Section 15 Equivalency of NFPA30A must be determined by the authority having jurisdiction As NFPA Staff Liaison forNFPA 30A I cannot make such a determination under NFPArsquos Regulations GoverningCommittee Projects Please understand that this response is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 ofNFPArsquos Regulations Governing Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon todefinitively determine compliance with any laws ordinances rules or regulations Todetermine legal compliance you should refer to the appropriate authority havingjurisdiction or seek legal advice It is not intended nor should it be relied upon toprovide professional consultation or services To determine the adequacy or safety ofany device or installation you should consult with an appropriate professional I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write Iwill be happy to assist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant toNFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does notnecessarily represent the official position of the NFPA or its Technical Committees Inaddition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it be relied upon to provideprofessional consultation or services cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids Engineer

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National Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

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From Howard Jim (Woodbridge) [mailtoJHowardhesscom] Sent Monday June 14 2010 1144 AMTo Benedetti BobCc Howard Jim (Woodbridge) Bob Luby Subject Importance High Bob It was a pleasure talking to you this morning regarding the Line Leak Detection applicationin place at Hess Station 08501 - Milltown DE (drawing attached) as well as several thousandlocations worldwide Here is some background information on this installation

Site had 3 - 10000 gallon gasoline tanks 1 - 10000 Regular (87) 1 - 10000 Plus (89) 1 - 10000 Premium (93) prior to our Dispenser Replacement Project Because of theoverwhelming demand for Regular gasoline (887 in 2009) we converted the existingPlus tank to additional Regular storageDispensers were replaced with new Blend Dispensers Tanks were not manifoldedRegular and former-Plus product lines were manifolded at each dispenserWe installed Veeder-Root PLLDs (Electronic Line Leak Detectors) on the Regular 1and Premium STPs We installed a non-vented Swift Check on Regular 2 (formerPlus) STP Because the PLLD is vented we MUST install a non-vented swift check onRegular STP 2 in order to test the system as a wholeWe have demonstrated via post-construction testing that the system will pick up a 3gph leak

The State of DE has questioned our compliance with NFPA 30A 642 Each pump shallhave installed on the discharge side a listed leak detection device that will provide an audibleor visible indication if the piping or a dispenser is leaking Each leak-detecting device shallbe checked and tested at least annually according to the manufacturers specifications toensure proper installation and operation

Can you comment on whether the system shown on the attached and described above and onour call meets the NFPA requirement or if it meets the definition of Equivalency as definedin Chapter 15 - Equivalency Thank you in advance for your consideration in this matter Please do not hesitate to contactme if there are any questions or concerns on this application ThanksJim Howard RFMPManager Maintenance amp UST ComplianceHess Corporation732-750-6220 (office)800-903-4801 (Emergency Hotline)E-mail UST Inspections to USTCompliancehesscomFax UST Inspections to 866-435-6744

This e-mail and any attachments are for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may containinformation that is confidential If you are not the intended recipient(s) and have received this e-mail in error please immediately notify the sender by return e-mail and delete this e-mail fromyour computer Any distribution disclosure or the taking of any other action by anyone other thanthe intended recipient(s) is strictly prohibited

From Benedetti BobTo Gary KostalCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiBcc May PaulSubject Inquiry NFPA 30 NFPA 30ADate Tuesday August 10 2010 43200 PM

Good afternoon Mr Kostal There are no provisions in NFPA 30 Flammable and Combustible Liquids Code togovern dispensing of motor fuels into motorized equipment and the devices youdescribe are not mentioned at all in NFPA 30 or in the only other related NFPAdocument that might apply NFPA 30A Code for Motor Fuel Dispensing Facilities andRepair Garages I cannot say that these units are either allowed or disallowed because neither NFPA30 nor NFPA 30A speaks about them The only provisions that might apply are the quantity limitations established in thesetwo codes depending on which code applies If the maintenance building is considered an industrial occupancy then Chapter 9 ofNFPA 30 establishes a maximum allowable quantity for of 120 gallons for Class Iliquids (The maximum allowable quantity is actually a threshold value Up to theMAQ compliance with NFPA 30 is not required above it NFPA 30 applies) If the maintenance building is considered a repair garage then NFPA 30A takesprecedence It also sets a 120 gallon limit on the maximum quantity of Class I liquid In both cases the quantity of fuel involved is 50 percent of the maximum allowed Myopinion is that there is no violation of either NFPA 30 or NFPA 30A Please understand that this response is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 ofNFPArsquos Regulations Governing Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon todefinitively determine compliance with any laws ordinances rules or regulations Todetermine legal compliance you should refer to the appropriate authority havingjurisdiction or seek legal advice It is not intended nor should it be relied upon toprovide professional consultation or services To determine the adequacy or safety ofany device or installation you should consult with an appropriate professional I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write Iwill be happy to assist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant toNFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does notnecessarily represent the official position of the NFPA or its Technical Committees Inaddition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it be relied upon to provideprofessional consultation or services cc 30IFI 30AIFI-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch Park

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Quincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg Important Notice This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPA RegulationsAny opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarily represent the officialposition of the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition this correspondence is neither intended norshould it be relied upon to provide professional consultation or services

Visit wwwfirepreventionweekorg or call 800-344-3555 for more information Check out FPW on social mediahellipwwwtwittercomfpw2010wwwfacebookcomfirepreventionweekhttpnfpatypepadcomfpw Check out NFPA onhellip

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From Gary Kostal [mailtogarykbloomingdalefirecom] Sent Monday August 09 2010 328 PMTo Benedetti BobSubject Looking for assistance - portable gas caddies Membership 2329840 Gary KostalFire Prevention DirectorBloomingdale Fire District Question (Non-formal opinion) I have a country club where they service a very large number of lawn maintenance equipment on a dailybasis They are utilizing a portable gas container (gas caddy) that holds approximately 30 gallons ofgasoline The unit is equipped with a hand style pump which is located on the top of the tank Fuel isdispensed from this tank as you crank the pump There are no nozzles located on the hose These gascaddies are being used inside their maintenance building which is fully fire sprinkled They are presentlyusing two of these devices inside the same building which is basically one days use

My question is are these devices allowed for this type of dispensing Are they required to be equippedwith a self closing nozzle What NFPA sections would apply to this particular type of device Thank you for your assistance in this matter

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From Benedetti BobTo SheldonSchallWisconsingovCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Wednesday September 30 2009 45929 PM

Good afternoon Sheldon I will here provide more detailed answers to your questions as posed in the email you sent to me today Section 30A-4323 limits tank storage capacity for Class I and II No limit for Class IIIA or IIIB

You are correct The intent of 4323 is to limit the capacities only of those tanks that storeClass I and II liquids Recall that when NFPA 30A initially allowed aboveground storage tanks atvehicle fueling sites biofuels were not in the picture just gasoline (Class I) and diesel fuel (ClassII) The Technical Committee at the time did not conceive that there would be the need to storeClass III fuels because there werenrsquot any The bottom line NFPA 30A does not limit the capacityof an aboveground storage tank that holds a motor fuel that is a Class III liquid

Section 30A-4324 refers to setbacks in Table 4324 No indication that these setbacks are specific toor exclude any class of flammable or combustible so it appears that the setbacks apply to Class I -Class IIIB liquids This table appears to conflict with the previous section for Class IIIA amp IIIB liquids

This is again correct that the separation distances in Table 4324 are not specific to anyparticular Class of liquid There is no conflict however 4323 deals with tank capacities 4324 deals with separation distances for the tanks Since 4324 does not specify anyparticular liquid class(es) it applies to ALL liquid classes

Section 30A-4325 allows an increased capacity for Class II and III liquids at fleet facilities Thisappears to conflict with section 4323 for Class III liquids which didnt have a capacity limit to startwith

Here there is a conflict or at least a serious inconsistency This provision was added one or twoeditions after 4323 and it appears that biofuels are beginning to be recognized It also appearsthat the intent here was to allow a relaxation of one limit in favor of a more liberal one Theproblem is the original limit doesnrsquot exist making it arguable that the application of 4325 toClass III liquids is meaningless Given the obvious intent here for some limit on Class III liquidfuels 4323 should be amended to include Class IIIs

Section 30A-4327 addresses dispensing from an aboveground tank for Class I and II liquids based uponspecific conditions

Paragraph 4322 is a hold-over dating back to when service stations were covered in Chapter 7of the old versions of NFPA 30 This set of requirements should also be amended to include ClassIIIs

Section 30A-4328 refers to NFPA 30-2171 for spill and overfill This section only applies to class Iand II liquids

While it is true that Subsection 2171 of NFPA 30 only applies to Classes I and II I do not believeit is a conflict for NFPA 30A to also apply it to Class III as well if the Technical Committee it isappropriate to do so However the language needs to be improved or an Annex item should beadded to explain the extrapolation and the reason for it

I will add this to the next meetingrsquos agenda for the Technical Committee on Automotive and MarineService Stations As usual the following applies Please understand that this response to your inquiry is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 of NFPArsquos RegulationsGoverning Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitively determine compliance with anylaws ordinances rules or regulations To determine the adequacy or safety of any device or installationyou should consult with an appropriate professional To determine legal compliance you should refer tothe appropriate authority having jurisdiction or seek legal advice

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I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will be happy toassist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarily represent the official positionof the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it berelied upon to provide professional consultation or services cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

Fire Prevention Week is October 4 ndash 10 2009 Visit wwwfirepreventionweekorg or call 800-344-3555 for moreinformation NFPA Seminars - Apply the codes with confidenceRegister at wwwnfpalearnorg NFPA Membership keeps you up-to-dateVisit wwwnfpaorgjoin for more information Or call 800-344-3555Notice The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for theexclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential andor privileged information If you are not the intendedrecipient please notify Robert Benedetti immediately by replying to the message or by calling (617) 984-7433 Please deletethis message and any attachments from your system Thank you Considering the variables in the sections referenced above are the setbacks in Table 4324 intended toapply to Class IIIA andor Class IIIB liquids for public fueling

From Schall Sheldon - COMMERCE [mailtoSheldonSchallWisconsingov] Sent Wednesday September 30 2009 832 AMTo Benedetti BobSubject NFPA 30A-4324 inquiry - URGENT Section 30A-4323 limits tank storage capacity for Class I and II No limit for Class IIIA or IIIB trueSection 30A-4324 refers to setbacks in Table 4324 No indication that these setbacks are specific toor exclude any class of flammable or combustible so it appears that the setbacks apply to Class I -Class IIIB liquids This table appears to conflict with the previous section for Class IIIA amp IIIB liquids Also trueSection 30A-4325 allows an increased capacity for Class II and III liquids at fleet facilities Thisappears to conflict with section 4323 for Class III liquids which didnt have a capacity limit to startwith Either one or the other needs to changeSection 30A-4327 addresses dispensing from an aboveground tank for Class I and II liquids based uponspecific conditions Need to cover IIIBSection 30A-4328 refers to NFPA 30-2171 for spill and overfill This section only applies to class Iand II liquids Class IIIs need to be specifically addressed Considering the variables in the sections referenced above are the setbacks in Table 4324 intended toapply to Class IIIA andor Class IIIB liquids for public fueling

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From Benedetti BobTo Bill HickmanCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Monday December 14 2009 50332 PM

Good afternoon Mr Hickman To answer your question the separation distances in Table 4324 of NFPA 30A Code for MotorFuel Dispensing Facilities and Repair Garages are intended to apply to outside abovegroundstorage tanks for fuel where such is allowed The tanks inside a service station building majorrepair garage or minor repair garage would likely be handling Class IIIB liquids (flash point gt200 degF) only in accordance with Subsection 4392 of NFPA 30A Subsection 4392 does not set any specific requirements for separation between tanks inside abuilding although it does refer back to Chapters 21 through 23 of NFPA 30 Flammable andCombustible Liquids Code Shell-to-shell spacing distances for aboveground tanks areestablished in Table 22421 Table 22421 is intended for much large tanks than one wouldfind in a repair garage or ldquolube-onlyrdquo facility For example the minimum separation for tanksstoring Class IIIB liquids is 3 feet as set forth in 224212 But again the separationdistances in Chapter 22 of NFPA 30 are intended for tank farm application not for the muchsmaller tanks found in the type of occupancy governed by NFPA 30A Also any facility meeting the requirements of NFPA 30A is considered to be in compliance withNFPA 30 Please understand that this response to your inquiry is a personal opinion and does notconstitute a Formal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 ofNFPArsquos Regulations Governing Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitivelydetermine compliance with any laws ordinances rules or regulations To determine theadequacy or safety of any device or installation you should consult with an appropriateprofessional To determine legal compliance you should refer to the appropriate authorityhaving jurisdiction or seek legal advice I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will behappy to assist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPARegulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarilyrepresent the official position of the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition thiscorrespondence is neither intended nor should it be relied upon to provide professional consultation orservices cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg If you have a reported fire in your home the risk of dyingdecreases by about 80 percent when sprinklers are present

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From Bill Hickman [mailtoBillHickmanstatecous] Sent Tuesday December 01 2009 939 AMTo Benedetti BobSubject Inquiry NFPA 30A - Storage of Liquids Inside Buildings Mr Benedetti Id appreciate your interpretation on an item regarding aboveground tanks storing lubricants (newused oil) inside abuilding at a repair garage NFPA 30A 439 does not include specific spacing requirements for tanks inside buildings Where there are multiple tanks being stored inside the building is there no minimum separation distance requirementthat must be met or do the requirements of Table 4324 apply Thank you in advance for your assistance __________________________________ Bill HickmanInspectorTechnical SpecialistCO Division of Oil amp Public Safety303-378-5090

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From Benedetti BobTo Peznowski EdwardCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Thursday September 03 2009 30455 PM

Hi Ed The 1996 edition of the Flammable and Combustible Liquids Code Handbook was the last one prior to thecurrent 2008 edition The commentary hasnrsquot changed My recollection of the development of this text is that the intent of NFPA 30A Code for Motor FuelDispensing Facilities and Repair Garages is to isolate the motor fuel dispensing area and its attendanthazard completely from the rest of the structure regardless of what else might be in the structure Subsection 524 assumes that the installation involves a motor fuel dispensing operation inside abuilding where you would not expect to have same such as an office building A bus repair facility wouldbe probably classed as a major repair garage and would be expected to have fueling operations Thehazard of this is in my opinion no greater than the repair operations It could be that the language in Subsection 524 needs to be clarified so that it applies only to situationssuch as I first described Please understand that this response to your inquiry is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 of NFPArsquos RegulationsGoverning Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitively determine compliance with anylaws ordinances rules or regulations To determine the adequacy or safety of any device or installationyou should consult with an appropriate professional To determine legal compliance you should refer tothe appropriate authority having jurisdiction or seek legal advice I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will be happy toassist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarily represent the official positionof the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it berelied upon to provide professional consultation or services cc 30AIFI 30AFAQ AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

Fire Prevention Week is October 4 ndash 10 2009 Visit wwwfirepreventionweekorg or call 800-344-3555 for moreinformation NFPA Seminars - Apply the codes with confidenceRegister at wwwnfpalearnorg NFPA Membership keeps you up-to-dateVisit wwwnfpaorgjoin for more information Or call 800-344-3555Notice The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for the

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From Peznowski Edward [mailtoEdwardPeznowskipostatectus] Sent Monday August 31 2009 127 PMTo Benedetti BobSubject NFPA 30A Hi Bob Sorry to bother you but I need your help and interpretation of the following section of NFPA 30A 2000edition 524 - All piping inside buildings but outside the motor fuel dispensing area shall be enclosed within ahorizontal chase or a vertical shaft used only for this piping Vertical shafts and horizontal chases shall beconstructed of materials having a fire resistance rating of not less than 2 hours Bob I have a bus repair facility being built and we have fuel dispensing area within the building enclosedwith a 2hr fire resistive separation My question is I have diesel fuel piping coming from two tanks locatedoutside of the building the piping runs outside of the dispensing area does this piping need to be enclosed Ihave the proper UL listed system for through wall penetrations My problem lies here I have natural gas heating fuel oil lines for boilers and diesel fuel line for thegenerator all running through the area outside the 2 hour rated dispensing area which are not required to beenclosed My thought is within the 2 hour fire resistive construction I have storage rooms for grease and oil a office forfuel dispensing Any fuel piping running through these areas would be enclosed but once I go outside my 2hrrated enclosure the piping would not have to be enclosed NFPA 30A (1996edition)6-42 - All fuel and flammable vapor piping inside buildings but outside the service station area shall beenclosed within a horizontal chase or a vertical shaft used only for this piping Vertical shafts and horizontalchases shall be constructed of materials having a fire resistance rating of not less than 2 hoursCOMMENTARY 6-42 The intent of this requirement is to preserve the isolation of the service stationoperation from the rest of the building I donrsquot have the 2000 handbook for commentary Thanks Bob Edward J PeznowskiFire amp Life Safety SpecialistBureau of EngineeringOffice State Fire Marshal860-685-8350

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From Benedetti BobTo Hamilton James P (HOY)Cc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiSubject Inquiry NFPA 30A-2008Date Monday September 14 2009 115041 AM

Good morning Mr Hamilton The intent of this particular provision of Subsection 672 of NFPA 30A Code for Motor Fuel DispensingFacilities and Repair Garages is to ensure that the patron has access to a second disconnect if he or shecannot reach the primary disconnect ie the one that is between 20 and 100 feet from the dispenser In my opinion all of the emergency disconnects required by Section 67 must be at least 20 ft but normore than 100 ft from the nearest dispenser Please understand that this response to your inquiry is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 of NFPArsquos RegulationsGoverning Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitively determine compliance with anylaws ordinances rules or regulations To determine the adequacy or safety of any device or installationyou should consult with an appropriate professional To determine legal compliance you should refer tothe appropriate authority having jurisdiction or seek legal advice I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will be happy toassist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarily represent the official positionof the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it berelied upon to provide professional consultation or services cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

Fire Prevention Week is October 4 ndash 10 2009 Visit wwwfirepreventionweekorg or call 800-344-3555 for moreinformation NFPA Seminars - Apply the codes with confidenceRegister at wwwnfpalearnorg NFPA Membership keeps you up-to-dateVisit wwwnfpaorgjoin for more information Or call 800-344-3555Notice The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for theexclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential andor privileged information If you are not the intendedrecipient please notify Robert Benedetti immediately by replying to the message or by calling (617) 984-7433 Please deletethis message and any attachments from your system Thank you

From Hamilton James P (HOY) [mailtoHAMILTONJPbechteljacobsorg] Sent Thursday September 10 2009 1224 PMTo Benedetti BobSubject NFPA 30A 2008 Edition

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Importance High

NFPA 30A 672 states at least one additional device or disconnect shall be readily accessible toeach group of dispensing devices on an individual island Our installation does not have islands Should the second emergency shutoff be installed close to the pumps or between 20 and 100 ofthe pumps

Please respond back via email hamiltonjpbechteljacobsorg

Thanks

NFPA 127130 James P Hamilton CFPSTetraTek Inc - Fire Safety TechnologiesFire Protection LeadK-27 Pre-Demo Project 790 Emory Valley Rd 811 Oak Ridge TN 37830 ETTP Office 865-241-1902

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From Benedetti BobTo Scott DavonskiCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Tuesday August 04 2009 92429 AM

Good morning Mr Davonski My opinion is that the intent of the requirement in Subsection 1141 of NFPA 30A Code for Motor FuelDispensing Facilities and Repair Garages is that any hose longer than 18 feet should not simply bestrung along the dockrsquos surface Using a reel would be one means of securing the hose although Irsquomsure other methods such as hangers would work as well Please understand that this response to your inquiry is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 of NFPArsquos RegulationsGoverning Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitively determine compliance with anylaws ordinances rules or regulations To determine the adequacy or safety of any device or installationyou should consult with an appropriate professional To determine legal compliance you should refer tothe appropriate authority having jurisdiction or seek legal advice I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will be happy toassist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarily represent the official positionof the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it berelied upon to provide professional consultation or services cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

Fire Prevention Week is October 4 ndash 10 2009 Visit wwwfirepreventionweekorg or call 800-344-3555 for moreinformation NFPA Seminars - Apply the codes with confidenceRegister at wwwnfpalearnorg NFPA Membership keeps you up-to-dateVisit wwwnfpaorgjoin for more information Or call 800-344-3555Notice The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for theexclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential andor privileged information If you are not the intendedrecipient please notify Robert Benedetti immediately by replying to the message or by calling (617) 984-7433 Please deletethis message and any attachments from your system Thank you

From Scott Davonski [mailtodavonskiRiverheadlicom] Sent Wednesday July 22 2009 1118 AMTo Benedetti BobSubject 30A clarification

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1141 All hose shall be listed Where hose length exceeds 55 m (18 ft) the hose shall besecured so as to protect it from damage Can you provide clarification as to what is meant by ldquosecured so as to protect it fromdamagerdquo Is the standard looking not to have the hoses on the dock In a reel Any clarificationinformation would be appreciated Scott W DavonskiChief Fire MarshalTown of RiverheadP- 631-727-3200 ext 209F- 631-727-3370

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Page 15: TECHNICAL COMMITTEE ON AUTOMOTIVE and MARINE … · SUBJECT: Agenda for ROC Meeting – October 4, 2010 _____ Ladies and Gentlemen: Attached is the Agenda for the NFPA 30A Report

Comm LogCommAction

TechComm Section

Sort Listing

Seq

6 233- ( )30A- AUV-AAA A2011

4 33 Various Definitions (New)- ( )30A- AUV-AAA A2011

1 4363- ( )30A- AUV-AAA A2011

2 544 and 642- ( )30A- AUV-AAA A2011

8 623 (New)- ( )30A- AUV-AAA A2011

3 Table 831- ( )30A- AUV-AAA A2011

9 Figure 831(B)- ( )30A- AUV-AAA A2011

5 92- ( )30A- AUV-AAA A2011

7 11721 (New)- ( )30A- AUV-AAA A2011

Page 1A2011Cycle

Report on Comments ndash June 2011 NFPA 30A_______________________________________________________________________________________________30A- Log 6

_______________________________________________________________________________________________John F Bender Underwriters Laboratories Inc

30A-6Revise text as follows

Underwriters Laboratories Inc 333 Pfingsten Road Northbrook IL 60062-2096UL 87 Standard for Power-Operated Dispensing Devices for Petroleum Products 2001 Revised 2008ANSIUL 842 Standard for Valves for Flammable Fluids 2007 Revised 2010UL 2080 Standard for Fire Resistant Tanks for Flammable and Combustible Liquids 2000ANSIUL 2085 Standard for Protected Aboveground Tanks for Flammable and Combustible Liquids 1997 Revised

1999UL 2245 Standard for Below-Grade Vaults for Flammable Liquid Storage Tanks 2006

Updated referenced standards to most recent revisions Add ANSI approval designation to ANSIUL842 and ANSIUL 2085

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Report on Comments ndash June 2011 NFPA 30A_______________________________________________________________________________________________30A- Log 4

_______________________________________________________________________________________________Marshall A Klein Marshall A Klein amp Associates Inc

30A-7Revise text to read as follows

331 Basement Basement For the purposes of this code a story of a building or structure having one-half or more ofits height below ground level and to which access for fire-fighting purposes is restricted [302008] Any story of a buildingwholly or partly below grade plane that is not considered the first story above grade plane (Also see 33X ldquoFirst StoryAbove Grade Planerdquo 33Y ldquoGrade Planerdquo and 33Z ldquoStoryrdquo) [5000 2009]33X First Story Above Grade Plane Any story having its finished floor surface entirely above grade plane except

that a basement shall be considered as a first story above grade plane where the finished surface of the floor above thebasement is (1) more than 6 ft (1830 mm) above grade plane or (2) more than 12 ft (3660 mm) above the finished levelat any point (See also 33Z ldquoStoryrdquo) [5000 2009]33Z Story The portion of a building located between the upper surface of a floor and the upper surface of the floor or

roof next above [5000 2009]33Y Grade Plane A reference plane representing the average of the finished ground level adjoining the building at all

exterior walls When the finished ground level slopes down from the exterior walls the grade plane is established by thelowest points within the area between the building and the lot line or when the lot line is more than 6 ft (1830 mm) fromthe building between the building and a point 6 ft (1830 mm) from the building (See also 33W ldquoFinished Ground Level(Graderdquo) [5000 2009]33W Finished Ground Level (Grade) The level of the finished ground (earth or other surface on ground) (See also33Y ldquoGrade Planerdquo) [5000 2009]

The Committeersquos substantiation for this Committee Proposal was ldquoThis definition is the preferreddefinition from the NFPA Glossary of Terms Changing the secondary definition to the preferred definition complies withthe Glossary of Terms Projectrdquo Also the Committeersquos statement said in part ldquohellipThe key issue relative to NFPA 30A issafe access to and evacuation from the basement area by emergency responders during an emergencyrdquo

Since the first edition of the NFPA 5000 Building Code the NFPA 30A Committee has attempted to be in correlationwith NFPA 5000 and the other Model Building Code in the the United States IBC The dispensing facilities and repairgarage buildings constructed under the NFPA 30A are also required to comply with the local building code which will beeither NFPA 5000 or IBC The proposed definition for ldquobasementrdquo that is taken from NFPA 30 is more suited for thelarger flammable and combustible types of facilities built under NFPA 30 not the service centersrepair garages builtunder NFPA 30A and the building codes

NFPA 30A should stay with its present position to correlate with the definition for a ldquobasementrdquo with NFPA 5000ldquoBuilding Construction and safety Coderdquo and not replace this definition with the one that is in NFPA 30 ldquoFlammable andCombustible Liquids Coderdquo

The term ldquobasementrdquo is only used in the NFPA 30A Code in Section 423 that deals with ignitable vapors in abasement or pit and Section 746 that applies when sprinklers are required to be installed in the basement of a majorrepair garage The two NFPA 30A sections on basements relate more to the application of the requirements in NFPA5000 and IBC than to the requirements in NFPA 30 ldquoFlammable and Combustible Liquids Coderdquo As I have notedabove during the development of the NFPA 5000 Building Code the NFPA 30A Committee was very careful tocorrelate its requirements with NFPA 5000 NFPA 101 amp IBC so that there would be minimum conflicts in theapplication of the requirements of NFPA 30A with these other Codes that greatly impact the design and construction ofMotor Fuel Dispensing Facilities and Repair Garages The definition of ldquobasementrdquo is critically important forbuilding design and should be correlated with the building codes used throughout the US and we should not use adifferent definition for basement that would cause confusion and cost in the design and application of the NFPA 30Arequirements where NFPA 5000 NFPA 101 or IBC Codes are also adopted

I have also included the addition of the definitions of ldquoFirst Story Above Grade Planerdquo ldquoStoryrdquo ldquoGrade Planerdquo andldquoFinished Ground Level (Grade)rdquo from NFPA 5000 to provide complete correlation on these building definitions withNFPA 5000 and the IBC For individuals using NFPA 30A that are only used to working with NFPA 30 these definitions

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Report on Comments ndash June 2011 NFPA 30Amay seem like overkill but to the great majority of code officials designers and owners of these types of dispensingfacilities and repair garages correlation of these terms with NFPA 5000 and IBC are critical to prevent major conflictsdelays and cost increases in interpretations and applications of code requirements between the building departmentsand fire departments

In summation based on the two sections in NFPA 30A that cover a ldquobasementrdquo requirement it serves the public interestbetter to use the ldquobasementrdquo definition and its related building definitions from NFPA 5000 to properly correlate with themodel buildings codes not NFPA 30

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Report on Comments ndash June 2011 NFPA 30A_______________________________________________________________________________________________30A- Log 1

_______________________________________________________________________________________________Alex Ralston Petcon Inc

NARevise text to read as follows

Means shall be provided to sound an audible alarm when the liquid level in the tank reaches 90 percent of capacityMeans shall also be provided either to automatically stop the flow of liquid into the tank when the liquid level reaches 98percent capacity or to restrict the flow of liquid into the tank to a maximum flow rate of 95L min (25 gpm) when theliquid level in the tank reaches 95 percent capacityThe federal underground storage tank rules state that means shall be provided to stop the flow of liquid into the tank

when the liquid reaches 95 percent capacity or restrict the flow into the tank when the liquid level reaches 90 percentcapacity

None given

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Report on Comments ndash June 2011 NFPA 30A_______________________________________________________________________________________________30A- Log 2

_______________________________________________________________________________________________Alex Ralston Petcon Inc

NARevise text to read as follows

On remote pressure pumping systems each pump shall have installed on the discharge side a listed leak detectiondevice that will provide an audible or visible indication if the piping and dispensing devices are not liquid tight Replace with device that will either restrict the flow of product to the dispenser or shut-off the flow of product to

indicate if the piping and dispensing devices are liquid tightThe explanation attempts to explain the federal underground storage tank regulations however the

regulation that provides for an audible or visible alarm relates to overfill prevention in federal regulations not leakdetectionThe regulations on leak detection for pressurized piping in the explanation are correct but if youll note nowhere in the

explanation is audible or visual alarms mentioned

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Report on Comments ndash June 2011 NFPA 30A_______________________________________________________________________________________________30A- Log 8

_______________________________________________________________________________________________Robert Bourke Northeastern Regional Fire Code Development Committee

30A-42Revise to read 623 Fuel-dispensing systems including dispensers hoses nozzleshelliphelliphellip

blended motor fuels shall be listed or approved for the specific purposeThis requirement should only be stating that the equipment is listed for the specific purpose

ldquoApprovedrdquo by definition means ldquoacceptable to the AHJrdquoToo often a Standard may misuse the word ldquoapprovedrdquo in order to not exclude other listing organizations that publish

its list in a document that they refer to as an ldquoApproval Guiderdquo Regardless the document is still a listing

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Report on Comments ndash June 2011 NFPA 30A_______________________________________________________________________________________________30A- Log 3

_______________________________________________________________________________________________David B Wechsler The Dow Chemical Company

30A-34Revise and add new sentences shown under 831 and A831 and modify Table 831 as

indicated831 Table 831 shall be used to delineate and classify areas for the purposes of installing electrical wiring and

electrical utilization equipment (See also Figure 831) WARNING The US National Electrical Code has differentequipment and installation requirements from other International Standards Therefore for example equipment used inEurope may not be acceptable for installation in the USA831 The designation and decision installation and use of electrical equipment for Classes and Divisions in

hazardous (classified) locations are defined Article 500 501 and 504 of NFPA 70 National Electrical Code Thedesignation and design installation and use of electrical equipment for Classes and Zones in hazardous (classified)locations are defined in Article 505 and 504 of NFPA 70 National Electrical Code The designation and designinstallation and use of electrical equipment in lsquoZonesrsquo Zone 0 Zone 1 and Zone 2 are addressed in other internationalstandardsWithin Table 831 add a new column titled ldquoZones and copy the information from the Class I Zone column into this

new columnAlternatively to all of the above remove the ldquoZonesrdquo column completely from Table 831

While the stated intent of this proposal is understood as being to try and deal with the internationalnature of applying NFPA 30A there are problems with the approach presented by a simple extraction from the NECFirst as presented the new column only addresses the US Zone methodology The US Zone methodology for

flammable vapor gases liquids and combustible vapors and liquids is identified by the terms lsquoClass I Zone 0rsquo lsquoClass IZone 1rsquo and lsquoClass I Zone 2rsquo However under the IEC or ATEX (aka Europe International) the terms are simply lsquoZone0rsquo lsquoZone 1rsquo or lsquoZone 2rsquo Therefore the table revision is not correct for international useSecond this TIA and proposal was to lsquoincorporate the (European) Zone System of designating hazardous (classified)

locations and the allowable wiring methods and electrical utilization devices that can be used in themrsquo However the USNEC is not an international code Thus while the US NEC Article 505 does permit the use of the Class I Zonemethodology adding this column in NFPA 30A does not address the more complex nature of the design and installationproblems associated with Zone certified equipment in the US The NEC under Article 5059 Equipment provides for theuse of only AEx equipment as may be seen for example under paragraph ldquo(2) Zone Equipment Equipment meeting oneor more of the protection techniques described in 5058 shall be marked with all of the following in the order shown(1) Class(2) Zone(3) Symbol ldquoAExrdquo(4) Protection technique(s) in accordance with Table 5059(C)(2)(4)(5) Applicable gas classification group(s) in accordance with Table 9(C)(1)(2)Without adding additional text usersinspectors etc may think using Zones is just like using the Division methodology

This is not true and equipment not otherwise permitted under the US NEC may be installed because of the impliedactions currently reflected in this proposal This is a significant issue

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Report on Comments ndash June 2011 NFPA 30A_______________________________________________________________________________________________30A- Log 9

_______________________________________________________________________________________________Donald R Offerdahl North Dakota State Electrical Board

30A-36Insert figure for 831(B)

Insert Artwork Figure 831(A) and 831(B) Here

Proposal 30A-36 should have been accepted in principal these types of storage tanks and dispensersare widely used in farms construction sites and business fleet operations

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Report on Comments ndash June 2011 NFPA 30A_______________________________________________________________________________________________30A- Log 5

_______________________________________________________________________________________________Mindy Wang Ampco Safety Tools

30A-39Not proposing new text Please see comment in Substantiation

Although procedures for cleanup of spills is not within the scope of NFPA 30A we feel compelled toaddress API 2214 referenced by the Committee Information presented below shows API 2214 is misleading andundermines safe work practices In fact API 2214 conflicts with OSHA regulations Accredited Standards Developerrsquosstandards and safe work practices FM Approvals LLC formerly Factory Mutual Research Corporation (FM) is an international organization recognized

by the US government as a Nationally Recognized Testing Laboratory (NRTL) for scientific research and productcertification Product approval from a NRTL assures that products meet consensus-based standards of safety to providethe assurance required by OSHA that these products are safe for use in the United States workplace FM ApprovalStandard 7910 Spark Resistant Tools is used as guidance to evaluate tools intended for use in environments wherethere is a risk of ignition of flammable materials dusts or vapors resulting from sparks created by iron and steel handtools These tools prevent the ignition of flammable materials dusts or vapors by mechanical sparks created by the useof iron and steel hand tools slipping or striking a surface American Petroleum Institute (API) Publication 2214contradicts NRTL research and product certification as evidence in FM Approvals granted for spark resistance toolsFM has conducted tests of Ampco Safety Tools as covered in Report Job Identification No IN4A0AF in accordancewith the requirements of Safety Tools Approval Test Procedure Class 7910 and test results show

Sparks created from steel plates ignited carbon disulfide saturated pads eight of eight tests ethyl ether pads fiveof eight tests and naphtha VMampP four of eight tests

No sparks were observed and no ignition of the flammable liquids mentioned above from approved Ampco SafetyTools Other investigations also contradict APIrsquos conclusion on non-sparking tools A paper published in the Fire Protection

Journal ldquoThe Danger of Incendive Sparksrdquo stated that after APIrsquos conclusion on ldquonon-sparkingrdquo tools Institute ofPetroleum sought the advice of the Fire Research Board Committee on Industrial Fires and Explosion This committeecame to certain conclusions one of which was ldquoUntilhellipevidence is obtained to show that the impact of steel hand toolson steel is safe it is advisable to use non-sparking tools in situations where flammable atmospheres are unavoidablerdquo The NFPA Fire Protection Handbook 20th edition published in January 2008 does not support the conclusion that

API 2214 represents In fact many NFPA codes the use of ldquonon-sparkingrdquo tools in flammable atmospheresAccording to NFPA Fire Protection Handbook ldquoWhen flammable and combustible liquids are stored or handled theliquid is usually exposed to the air at some stage in the operation except where the storage is confined to sealedcontainers that are not filled or opened on the premises or where handling is in closed systems and vapor losses arerecovered Even when the storage or handling is in a closed system there is always the possibility of breaks or leakswhich permit the liquid to escape It is a to eliminate sources of ignition in places where low flashpointflammable liquids are stored handled or used even though no vapor may ordinarily be presentrdquo NFPA 921 Guide for Fire and Explosion Investigations 2008 Edition Chapter 5 Basic Fire Science Table 5711

Reported Burning and Sparking Temperature of Selected Ignition Sources under Mechanical Sparks lists a Steel tooltemperature at 2550degF When working with flammable gases liquids or vapors a potential hazard arises because of thepossibility that sparks produced by steel or iron tools can become an ignition source OSHA Flammable and Combustible Liquids regulation 29 CFR Parts 1910106(b) on tank storage paragraph

1910106(b)(6) states that precaution shall be taken to eliminate or control sources of ignitions including frictional heatand mechanical sparks to prevent the ignition of flammable vapors In OSHA regulation 29 CFR 1910146 Permit-Required Confined Spaces Appendix D Confined Space Pre-Entry

Check List non-sparking tool is listed as one type of entry equipment OSHA 29 CFR 1910146 StandardInterpretations Interpretative guidance and equipment approved for hazardous locations relative to the Permit-RequiredConfined Spaces states that ldquohellipthe standard does not prohibit entry into a permit space where a hazardous flammableatmosphere is at or above the 10 LFL For concentrations at or above 10 LFL paragraph (d) would theemployer to incorporate safe work procedures to address the flammableexplosive hazard (such as equipment approvedfor hazardous locations) in the entry plan for those spaces Electrical equipment as well as other sources of ignition(non-sparking hand tools) be considered and addressed for the hazardous atmosphererdquo OSHA regulation 29 CFR Parts 1910120 Hazardous waste operations and emergency response paragraph

1910120(j)(2)(v) requires that ldquoWhen there is a reasonable possibility of flammable atmospheres being present

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Report on Comments ndash June 2011 NFPA 30Amaterial handling equipment and hand tools shall be of the type to prevent sources of ignition EPA has identifiedsolvents such as xylene acetone ethyl acetate ethyl benzene and ethyl ether commonly used in all industries (theF-list) and discarded commercial chemical products such as acetone benzene ethyl ether and xylene (the P-list andU-list) as ignitable hazardous wastes API members such as ExxonMobil and Chevron as well as others in the petroleum industry such as Valero CITGO

Petroleum Corporation Chem-Supply Pty Ltd Irving Oil Ltd Petrol Star Inc Nova Chemicals and El Paso Corporationregularly the use of ldquonon-sparkingrdquo tools under Accidental Release Measures and Handling and Storage sectionsin the MSDSrsquos for their petroleum products These companies clearly recognize the need for ldquonon-sparkingrdquo tools inworking with and around flammable materials API 2214 Section 12 Background ldquohellipthese engineers pointed out that although numerous opportunities existed for

the production of sparks from violent contact of steel objects with other steel objects there was a negligible record offires resulting from such a causerdquo On the contrary there are a number of documented incidents involving flammablevapors ignited by steel sparks from tools A few examples are as follows

OSHA inspection 300965795 an employee in the process of cleaning loose material from drill piping with ametal hammer While striking the pipe with a hammer an explosion occurred Employee was killed in the explosion onsite

OSHA inspection 2272953 two employees were assigned the job of tending a 100 gallon (water jacket) reactorkettle of methyl methacrylate in the mixing room Employee 1 used a metal wrench (visegrips) to pry open the cover ofa kettle The wrench handle struck the angle iron support for the agitator motor producing a spark Employee 2noticed the spark which was immediately followed by a massive ldquofire ballrdquo Both employees were engulfed in thefireball Employee 3 came to the area to assist the other employees The investigation states that non-sparking toolswere not provided for the employees All three employees received first and second degree burns on their face armsand abdomen Employee 2 also received some third degree burns All three employees were hospitalized

OSHA inspection 124728437 Employee 1 and a coworker both maintenance mechanics were working in a 30inch by 36 inch manhole at a gas station Employee 1 was trying to change a fuel pump while the coworker watchedfrom outside the manhole Employee 1 was using an Allen wrench to loosen the bolts on the fuel pump lead when hecreated a spark that ignited the gas fumes in the manhole causing an explosion Employee 1 suffered burns to hisface hands arms and legs in the explosion and was hospitalized

OSHA inspection 111109237 Employee 1 or 3 attempted to cut a metal pipe with a metal saw whileEmployee 2 was standing on top of one of two 5000 gallon gas tanks trying to remove a tank fitting Sparks from thesaw the pipe wrench or another unknown source ignited the gas vapors which exploded Employees 1 and 3 werekilled of burns at the scene Employee 2 died at the burn center as a result of burns sustained in the explosion

OSHA inspection 102826625 Employee 1 worked for a company that cleans paints and replaces valves in LPand MAPP gas cylinders Before removing an old valve Employee 1 would open the valve to let the residual gas leakout on the loading dock Where there was a large quantity of cylinders Employee 1 would invert the cylinder so theresidual gas could vent faster Employee 1 had an accumulation of a gas and air mixture around his work area Thevapors were ignited either by a spark from the metal screwdriver he was using to open a damaged valve or by an openflame burner approximately 40 feet away There was a fire and explosion The employee sustained 2nd and 3rd degreeburns on the lower half of his body and was hospitalized

OSHA inspection 607366 an employee was sawing an airplane wing into sections with a portable powered handsaw the saw created a spark that caused an explosion of gasoline vapors in the wing fuel tank Employee 1 killed andEmployee 2 injured in explosion and was hospitalized

OSHA inspection 309178523 employer was cited for violating Section 5(a)(1) of the Occupational Safety andHealth Act of 1970 often referred to as the General Duty Clause which requires employers to furnish to each of hisemployees employment and a place of employment which are free from recognized hazards that are causing or arelikely to cause death or serious physical harm to his employees for exposing employee to an explosion hazard byopening the hydrogen tube trailer main valve without using non-sparking tools

OSHA inspection 304994304 employer was cited for violating Section 5(a)(1) of the Occupational Safety andHealth Act of 1970 violation for exposing employee to a fireexplosion hazard while performing maintenance operationson LP gas tanks with ferrous tools One feasible and acceptable abatement method to correct this hazard is toimplement the use of non- sparking toolsThe Report of the BP US Refineries independent Safety Review Panel also known as the Baker Panel Report states

that ldquoPreventing process accidents requires vigilance The passing of time without a process accident is not necessarilyan indicator that all is well and may contribute to a dangerous and growing sense of complacencyrdquo This sample ofOSHA documented events illustrates accidents do happen when proper safety measures are not taken againstmechanical sparks from steel tools as a possible ignition sourceHaving said that we appreciate the Committeersquos time and agree with the Committee that procedures for cleanup of

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Report on Comments ndash June 2011 NFPA 30Aspills is not within the scope of NFPA 30A

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Report on Comments ndash June 2011 NFPA 30A_______________________________________________________________________________________________30A- Log 7

_______________________________________________________________________________________________Robert Bourke Northeastern Regional Fire Code Development Committee

30A-19Add a new section to read 11721 Where approved by the Authority Having Jurisdiction piers

that extend more than 152 m (500 ft) in travel distance from shore shall be permitted to provide a Class I standpipe thatis installed in accordance with NFPA 14 Standard for the Installation of Standpipe and Hose Systems

The TC missed the point in the substantiation of the proposalIt was not the intent of the proposal to obtain additional flexibility of FD use over that which is provided by a Class III

standpipe system The intent of the proposal was to provide relief from the requirement where the local AHJ feels thatthe effectiveness and likelihood of occupant use of fire hoses does not justify the added risk to the occupant or theinstallation and maintenance costs associated with the requisite hose for a Class III system A Class I system would stillprovide FD fire fighting capabilities in jurisdictions where the AHJ prefers occupants to evacuate and not attempt to fightfires beyond portable fire extinguisher capability

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From Benedetti BobTo bcotnerswriorgCc Harrington Greg Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiBcc May PaulSubject Inquiry NFPA 30 amp NFPA 30ADate Thursday July 08 2010 121900 PM

Good Morning Mr Cotner Greg Harrington asked that I respond to your question about the proper use ofintermediate bulk containers Actually an intermediate bulk container is a shipping vessel that must meetrequirements and specifications of the U S Department of Transportation for shippingmaterials from Point A to Point B It is not intended to be a storage vessel althoughthe liquid contained is obviously dispensed from the vessel for use Dispensing of motor fuels is covered by NFPA 30A Code for Motor Fuel DispensingFacilities and Repair Garages NFPA 30A states in Subsection 421 421 Liquids shall be stored in the following(1) Approved closed containers that do not exceed 227 L (60 gal) capacity and arelocated outside buildings(2) Tanks or approved closed containers located inside motor fuel dispensingfacilities or repair garages(3) Aboveground tanks underground tanks and containers in accordance with therequirements of Section 43(4) Tanks supplying marine service stations in accordance with Section 112 Section 43 states the following 432 Aboveground Storage Tanks Except as modified by the provisions of thissubsection aboveground storage tanks shall meet all applicable requirements ofChapters 21 through 23 and 27 of NFPA 30 Flammable and Combustible Liquids Code So in accordance with NFPA 30A Subsection 421(3) indicates that abovegroundstorage of motor fuel must be in a tank that meets the provisions of Section 43 Thelatter in turn references the Chapters in NFPA 30 that deal with fixed storage tanks Nowhere in these chapters is there any reference to an intermediate bulk container Chapter 9 of NFPA 30 does recognize an intermediate bulk container for warehouse-type storage of Class I flammable liquids but does not anticipate continual dispensingand use One could evaluate an intermediate bulk container as a means of long-term storageand dispensing of liquids under the Equivalency clause My opinion is that an intermediate bulk container is not considered a substitute for anaboveground storage tank but this is not specifically stated in the relevant codes This issue will be added to the agendas for the Technical Committees involved Please understand that this response is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 ofNFPArsquos Regulations Governing Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon todefinitively determine compliance with any laws ordinances rules or regulations Todetermine legal compliance you should refer to the appropriate authority havingjurisdiction or seek legal advice It is not intended nor should it be relied upon toprovide professional consultation or services To determine the adequacy or safety ofany device or installation you should consult with an appropriate professional

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I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write Iwill be happy to assist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant toNFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does notnecessarily represent the official position of the NFPA or its Technical Committees Inaddition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it be relied upon to provideprofessional consultation or services cc 30IFI 30AIFI AUVNM FLCSWCNM FLCTANNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

If you have a reported fire in your home the risk of dyingdecreases by about 80 percent when sprinklers are present

wwwfiresprinklerinitiativeorgNotice The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intendedfor the exclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential andor privileged information If you arenot the intended recipient please notify Robert Benedetti immediately by replying to the message or by calling(617) 984-7433 Please delete this message and any attachments from your system Thank you

From Harrington Greg Sent Wednesday July 07 2010 350 PMTo Benedetti BobSubject FW Intermediate Bulk Containers Hi Bob Can you answer the question below Hersquos a friend of mine former inspector with San Antonio FD when Iworked down there now a safety guy at SWRI Thanks a lot --Greg

From Bill Cotner [mailtobcotnerswriorg] Sent Wednesday July 07 2010 332 PMTo Harrington GregSubject Intermediate Bulk Containers Hey Greg howrsquos the heat in Boston here it is a balmy 93 enjoying it I have a question probably out ofyour area but Irsquom sure you know who to route it to We have a group here that wants to dispense fuelfrom a stainless steel IBC into test engines I donrsquot think that is the intended use or what it has beenlisted for Can I get some guidance on this issue I appreciate anything you can do for me Bill Bill CotnerSenior Fire SpecialistEnvironmental Safety and Quality SystemsSouthwest Research InstitutePhone (210) 522-5101Fax (210) 522-5093Mobile (210) 669-7005Email bcotner swriorg

From Benedetti BobTo Ebanks DesmondCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiBcc May PaulSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Monday June 14 2010 35400 PM

Good afternoon Mr Ebanks The intent of Subsection 422 of NFPA 30A Code for Motor Fuel Dispensing Facilities and RepairGarages is that there be no direct piped connection between the aboveground storage tank inthe bulk plant and the fuel dispensing device in the motor fuel dispensing facility In my opinionthis includes any intervening underground storage tank The hazard being addressed is the potential to overfill the underground storage tank due to thestatic head of the liquid in the aboveground storage tank Please understand that this response is a personal opinion and does not constitute a FormalInterpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 of NFPArsquos RegulationsGoverning Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitively determine compliancewith any laws ordinances rules or regulations To determine legal compliance you shouldrefer to the appropriate authority having jurisdiction or seek legal advice It is not intended norshould it be relied upon to provide professional consultation or services To determine theadequacy or safety of any device or installation you should consult with an appropriateprofessional I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will behappy to assist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPARegulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarilyrepresent the official position of the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition thiscorrespondence is neither intended nor should it be relied upon to provide professional consultation orservices cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg Attend the premier event for fire life safety and electrical professionals

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From Ebanks Desmond [mailtoDesmondEbanksgovky] Sent Monday May 24 2010 940 AMTo Benedetti BobSubject bulk storage supply to motor fuel facilities Hi Bob NFPA 30A (2003) 422 gives to positions in relation to motor fuel dispensing facilities (mfdf) that I would like to havefurther clarified for Code intent please The first is that dispensing devices at the mfdf shall not be supplied by ASTs located in the bulk plant Does this implythat supply from a UST (underground storage tank) in the bulk storage facility would be acceptable or to the other extentthat even if the bulk AST supplied a loading rack which in turn supplied a UST both in the bulk facility that supplyfrom the bulk AST is still not permitted The second statement refers to any storage tank at the mfdf saying they shall not be connected by piping to bulkfacility ASTs Similarly does this imply that a UST (underground storage tank) in the bulk storage facility would beacceptable or that if the bulk tank was connected to a loading rack and the loading rack connected by non-permanentmeans to an mfdf tank that this would be permissible RegardsDes EbanksAssistant Petroleum InspectorThe Petroleum InspectorateCayman Islands GovernmentAnderson Square 4th floorPO Box 31213Grand CaymanKY1-1205Cayman IslandsOffice 345 244 3458Mobile 345 925 3317Fax 345 949 0920Email desmondebanksgovky

From Benedetti BobTo Shriniwas BodhankarCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiBcc May PaulSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Monday June 14 2010 50100 PM

Good day Sir There has been no discussion by the Technical Committee on Automotive and Marine ServiceStations to alter the separation distances in Table 4324 of NFPA 30A Code for Motor FuelDispensing Facilities and Repair Garages as they pertain to liquid fuels including high flashpoint diesel fuels Also there have been no proposals to make such a change to NFPA 30A I trust this answers your question R P Benedetti cc -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

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From Shriniwas Bodhankar [mailtobodhankarenoccom] Sent Tuesday June 01 2010 536 AMTo Maynard Mary Benedetti BobSubject NFPA 30 A Dear sir Reference is made to table no 4324 of NFPA code 30A specifying the minimum distance between storagetanks and dispensing equipment A dispenser should be placed minimum 50 feet away from a bunded abovegroundsteel tank to meet this requirementIn our opinion this is too stringent and uncalled for in case of high flash diesel ( Flash point above 65 degreecentigrade) A bunded tank where spill can be contained within bund is as safe as a vaulted tankfire resistanttankprotected tank Therefore it is equally safe to install an approved dispensing device immediately outside thebund provided the vent of the tank is 4 meters above the grade level on which the dispensing device is installedVarious international oil companies like SHELL amp BP carry similar installations for their fleet customers of dieselMoreover there are standard skids being marketed in EUROPE (even for gasoline) which have storage tanks and

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dispensers on same skid and such an arrangement is accepted by ldquoAuthority Having Jurisdictionrdquo(AHJ)Kindly advise if this standard requirement is being reviewed or otherwise if based on performance based designsuch a requirement may be waived or considered as ldquo highly recommendedrdquo in the leastBased on your feedback we wish to discuss this with AHJ in UAE Regards Regards Shriniwas BodhankarSenior EHS Compliance Officer( Special Projects)Group EHSQ Compliance DepartmentEmirates National Oil Company Limited (ENOC) LLC ENOC House I PO Box 6442Dubai United Arab EmiratesDirect +971 4 313 4437Fax +971 4 313 4482bodhankarenoccom | wwwenoccom

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From Benedetti BobTo EActonccfireusCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiBcc May PaulSubject Inquiry NFPA 30A amp NFPA 30Date Monday August 02 2010 44400 PMAttachments DSC06169JPG

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Good day Mr Acton Fire protection provisions for major and minor repair garages and ldquolube-onlyrdquofacilities which is the topic of your concern are provided in NFPA 30A Code for MotorFuel Dispensing Facilities and Repair Garages currently 2008 edition Chapter 5 ofNFPA 30A covers piping systems but its specific provisions focus on piping systemsbetween fuel storage tanks and fuel dispensers Chapter 5 also directly referencesChapter 27 of the 2008 edition of NFPA 30 Flammable and Combustible Liquids Code(successor to Chapter 5 of the 2003 edition) Subsection 527 of NFPA 30A allows piping made from low-melting point materials tobe installed in exposed areas but only in specific locations These are limited tocontainment sumps under dispensers containment sumps for underground fuelstorage tanks and sumps for below-grade piping connections Chapter 5 of NFPA 30Ais silent on piping inside buildings Therefore the user is left with the provisions ofChapter 27 of NFPA 30 NFPA 30 in turn does allow piping fabricated of low melting point materials to beused exposed outdoors or inside buildings with the following provisions ldquo27441 Such materials shall be permitted to be used outdoors above ground orinside buildings provided they meet one of the following conditions (1) They are resistant to damage by fire(2) They are located so that any leakage resulting from failure will not exposepersons important buildings or structures(3) They are located where leakage can be controlled by operation of one or moreaccessible remotely located valvesrdquo Regardless of the material of construction of the piping and components the followinggeneral requirement from Chapter 27 of NFPA 30 always applies ldquo273 General Requirements2731 Performance Standards The design fabrication assembly test and inspectionof piping systems shall be suitable for the working pressures and structural stresses tobe encountered by the piping system Compliance with applicable sections of ASMEB31 Code for Pressure Piping and the provisions of this chapter shall be consideredprima facie evidence of compliance with the foregoing provisions2732 Tightness of Piping Piping systems shall be maintained liquidtight A pipingsystem that has leaks that constitute a hazard shall be emptied of liquid or repaired ina manner acceptable to the authority having jurisdictionrdquo Your interpretation of Subsection 511 of the 2003 edition of NFPA 30 (2711 in the2008 edition) is correct the chapter applies to any piping system that handles aflammable or combustible liquid regardless of pressure Likewise you are correct thatthe piping system must meet the provisions of ASME B31 for the material chosen andthe anticipated operating pressures and temperatures (531 in the 2003 edition 2741 in the 2008 edition) However low melting point materials (aluminum copperbrass and polymeric materials) are allowed under the provisions of Subsection 534(2003 edition) and 2744 (2008 edition) What must be determined is does thepiping system comply with one of the conditions stated in 27441 as stated above

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Please understand that this response is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 ofNFPArsquos Regulations Governing Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon todefinitively determine compliance with any laws ordinances rules or regulations Todetermine legal compliance you should refer to the appropriate authority havingjurisdiction or seek legal advice It is not intended nor should it be relied upon toprovide professional consultation or services To determine the adequacy or safety ofany device or installation you should consult with an appropriate professional I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write Iwill be happy to assist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant toNFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does notnecessarily represent the official position of the NFPA or its Technical Committees Inaddition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it be relied upon to provideprofessional consultation or services cc 30IFI 30AIFI AUVNM FLCTANNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

If you have a reported fire in your home the risk of dyingdecreases by about 80 percent when sprinklers are present

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From Eric Acton [mailtoEActonccfireus] Sent Monday July 19 2010 636 PMTo Benedetti BobSubject InterpretationOpinion request

Good day My name is Eric Acton I am the Fire Marshal for Campbell CountyWyoming and Irsquom employed by Campbell County Fire Department My NFPA

membership number is 2755369 My mailing and email addresses are listed below I am in need of a technical opinion regarding 2003 NFPA 30 Chapter 5 or morecurrently 2008 NFPA 30A Chapter 5 Some brief project backgroundAn owner within my jurisdiction has built a commercial lube-oil center to servicecustomersrsquo vehicles A ldquopitrdquo exists below the service bay to allow workers to drainthe oil from the vehicle then workers on the main floor refill the oil by use ofpressurized nozzles Several motor oil storage tanks are located in the pitaccounting for several brands and viscosities of oil The tanks are designed to befilled by use of a piping system which extends from an exterior connection vault toeach of the storage tanks using gravity to move the product in the fill-pipingsystem The material the owner chose to construct the fill-piping system wasldquostandardrdquo 1-12rdquo Schedule 40 PVC and Parker Series 7094 Electrically Non-Conductive rubber hose The piping system is exposed it is not underground nor isit protected from flame by means of a fire-rated chase Having identified the use of combustible liquids in this occupancy I utilized 2006International Fire Code (as adopted by my jurisdiction) Chapter 34 Flammable andCombustible Liquids to review and inspect the project IFC Section 340362referred me to NFPA 30 Chapter 5 for the construction materials to use where Iinterpreted (2003 version) 30511 to mean that the piping system components (pipetubing flanges bolting gaskets valves fittingshellip) must meet the requirementsregardless of pressure And that the following components specified in theparagraph must meet the requirements ONLY if they contained pressure ndashhelliprdquoexpansion joints and strainers and devices such thathelliprdquo I further interpreted(2003 version) 30531 Material Specifications similarly in that the ldquoPipe valvesfaucets couplingshelliprdquo must meet the requirements regardless of pressure while ldquohellipother pressure-containing partshelliprdquo meant ONLY the other parts that containedpressure Verbatim to 30511 is encountered in 2008 NFPA 30A Chapter 5paragraph 51 Scope The owner states his piping complies with the standard cited because it is gravity-fed hence no ldquopressurerdquo is seen by the piping components I maintain that thepiping system shall consist of metal pipe (or another material meeting therequirements of ASME B31 as allowed by 2003 NFPA 30531) to comply with NFPA30 and IFC Some assistance to resolve this problem is greatly appreciated I have attachedsome photographs for clarification Thanks for your attentionEric

Eric ActonFire MarshalCampbell County Fire Department 106 Rohan Avenue Gillette WY 82716 (307) 682-5319 ext 8912(307) 686-2222 Fax(307) 680-9612 Cell

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From Benedetti BobTo Howard Jim (Woodbridge)Cc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiBcc May PaulSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Monday June 28 2010 115100 AM

Good morning Mr Howard First I appreciate your patience with me while I reviewed the information sent to meby yourself and Mr Luby of Veeder-Root I wanted to ensure that I thoroughlyunderstood how the system functions in its line leak detection mode My understanding of the arrangement of the piping system from the pair ofunderground storage tanks is that the electronic line leak detector the PLLD tests thesupply piping from the two submersible pumps to the dispensers as a single system This includes the direct piping run from the master pump to the dispensers AND thepiping that connects the slave pump to the direct piping run The intent of Subsection 642 of the 2008 edition of NFPA 30A Code for Motor FuelDispensing Facilities and Repair Garages is to ensure that some type of leak detectiondevice monitors the piping from the submersible pump to the dispensers in such amanner that a leak in the piping leading to the dispensers or in the dispensersthemselves is detected and notification of a leak given Since the two pumps act intandem and since the entire piping system from the pumps to the dispensers ismonitored my personal opinion is that the intent of Subsection 642 is met andevaluation of the system described as being equivalent to what is required bySubsection 642 is reasonable Whether the system described meets the criteria of Section 15 Equivalency of NFPA30A must be determined by the authority having jurisdiction As NFPA Staff Liaison forNFPA 30A I cannot make such a determination under NFPArsquos Regulations GoverningCommittee Projects Please understand that this response is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 ofNFPArsquos Regulations Governing Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon todefinitively determine compliance with any laws ordinances rules or regulations Todetermine legal compliance you should refer to the appropriate authority havingjurisdiction or seek legal advice It is not intended nor should it be relied upon toprovide professional consultation or services To determine the adequacy or safety ofany device or installation you should consult with an appropriate professional I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write Iwill be happy to assist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant toNFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does notnecessarily represent the official position of the NFPA or its Technical Committees Inaddition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it be relied upon to provideprofessional consultation or services cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids Engineer

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National Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

If you have a reported fire in your home the risk of dyingdecreases by about 80 percent when sprinklers are present

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From Howard Jim (Woodbridge) [mailtoJHowardhesscom] Sent Monday June 14 2010 1144 AMTo Benedetti BobCc Howard Jim (Woodbridge) Bob Luby Subject Importance High Bob It was a pleasure talking to you this morning regarding the Line Leak Detection applicationin place at Hess Station 08501 - Milltown DE (drawing attached) as well as several thousandlocations worldwide Here is some background information on this installation

Site had 3 - 10000 gallon gasoline tanks 1 - 10000 Regular (87) 1 - 10000 Plus (89) 1 - 10000 Premium (93) prior to our Dispenser Replacement Project Because of theoverwhelming demand for Regular gasoline (887 in 2009) we converted the existingPlus tank to additional Regular storageDispensers were replaced with new Blend Dispensers Tanks were not manifoldedRegular and former-Plus product lines were manifolded at each dispenserWe installed Veeder-Root PLLDs (Electronic Line Leak Detectors) on the Regular 1and Premium STPs We installed a non-vented Swift Check on Regular 2 (formerPlus) STP Because the PLLD is vented we MUST install a non-vented swift check onRegular STP 2 in order to test the system as a wholeWe have demonstrated via post-construction testing that the system will pick up a 3gph leak

The State of DE has questioned our compliance with NFPA 30A 642 Each pump shallhave installed on the discharge side a listed leak detection device that will provide an audibleor visible indication if the piping or a dispenser is leaking Each leak-detecting device shallbe checked and tested at least annually according to the manufacturers specifications toensure proper installation and operation

Can you comment on whether the system shown on the attached and described above and onour call meets the NFPA requirement or if it meets the definition of Equivalency as definedin Chapter 15 - Equivalency Thank you in advance for your consideration in this matter Please do not hesitate to contactme if there are any questions or concerns on this application ThanksJim Howard RFMPManager Maintenance amp UST ComplianceHess Corporation732-750-6220 (office)800-903-4801 (Emergency Hotline)E-mail UST Inspections to USTCompliancehesscomFax UST Inspections to 866-435-6744

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From Benedetti BobTo Gary KostalCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiBcc May PaulSubject Inquiry NFPA 30 NFPA 30ADate Tuesday August 10 2010 43200 PM

Good afternoon Mr Kostal There are no provisions in NFPA 30 Flammable and Combustible Liquids Code togovern dispensing of motor fuels into motorized equipment and the devices youdescribe are not mentioned at all in NFPA 30 or in the only other related NFPAdocument that might apply NFPA 30A Code for Motor Fuel Dispensing Facilities andRepair Garages I cannot say that these units are either allowed or disallowed because neither NFPA30 nor NFPA 30A speaks about them The only provisions that might apply are the quantity limitations established in thesetwo codes depending on which code applies If the maintenance building is considered an industrial occupancy then Chapter 9 ofNFPA 30 establishes a maximum allowable quantity for of 120 gallons for Class Iliquids (The maximum allowable quantity is actually a threshold value Up to theMAQ compliance with NFPA 30 is not required above it NFPA 30 applies) If the maintenance building is considered a repair garage then NFPA 30A takesprecedence It also sets a 120 gallon limit on the maximum quantity of Class I liquid In both cases the quantity of fuel involved is 50 percent of the maximum allowed Myopinion is that there is no violation of either NFPA 30 or NFPA 30A Please understand that this response is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 ofNFPArsquos Regulations Governing Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon todefinitively determine compliance with any laws ordinances rules or regulations Todetermine legal compliance you should refer to the appropriate authority havingjurisdiction or seek legal advice It is not intended nor should it be relied upon toprovide professional consultation or services To determine the adequacy or safety ofany device or installation you should consult with an appropriate professional I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write Iwill be happy to assist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant toNFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does notnecessarily represent the official position of the NFPA or its Technical Committees Inaddition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it be relied upon to provideprofessional consultation or services cc 30IFI 30AIFI-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch Park

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Quincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg Important Notice This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPA RegulationsAny opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarily represent the officialposition of the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition this correspondence is neither intended norshould it be relied upon to provide professional consultation or services

Visit wwwfirepreventionweekorg or call 800-344-3555 for more information Check out FPW on social mediahellipwwwtwittercomfpw2010wwwfacebookcomfirepreventionweekhttpnfpatypepadcomfpw Check out NFPA onhellip

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From Gary Kostal [mailtogarykbloomingdalefirecom] Sent Monday August 09 2010 328 PMTo Benedetti BobSubject Looking for assistance - portable gas caddies Membership 2329840 Gary KostalFire Prevention DirectorBloomingdale Fire District Question (Non-formal opinion) I have a country club where they service a very large number of lawn maintenance equipment on a dailybasis They are utilizing a portable gas container (gas caddy) that holds approximately 30 gallons ofgasoline The unit is equipped with a hand style pump which is located on the top of the tank Fuel isdispensed from this tank as you crank the pump There are no nozzles located on the hose These gascaddies are being used inside their maintenance building which is fully fire sprinkled They are presentlyusing two of these devices inside the same building which is basically one days use

My question is are these devices allowed for this type of dispensing Are they required to be equippedwith a self closing nozzle What NFPA sections would apply to this particular type of device Thank you for your assistance in this matter

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From Benedetti BobTo SheldonSchallWisconsingovCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Wednesday September 30 2009 45929 PM

Good afternoon Sheldon I will here provide more detailed answers to your questions as posed in the email you sent to me today Section 30A-4323 limits tank storage capacity for Class I and II No limit for Class IIIA or IIIB

You are correct The intent of 4323 is to limit the capacities only of those tanks that storeClass I and II liquids Recall that when NFPA 30A initially allowed aboveground storage tanks atvehicle fueling sites biofuels were not in the picture just gasoline (Class I) and diesel fuel (ClassII) The Technical Committee at the time did not conceive that there would be the need to storeClass III fuels because there werenrsquot any The bottom line NFPA 30A does not limit the capacityof an aboveground storage tank that holds a motor fuel that is a Class III liquid

Section 30A-4324 refers to setbacks in Table 4324 No indication that these setbacks are specific toor exclude any class of flammable or combustible so it appears that the setbacks apply to Class I -Class IIIB liquids This table appears to conflict with the previous section for Class IIIA amp IIIB liquids

This is again correct that the separation distances in Table 4324 are not specific to anyparticular Class of liquid There is no conflict however 4323 deals with tank capacities 4324 deals with separation distances for the tanks Since 4324 does not specify anyparticular liquid class(es) it applies to ALL liquid classes

Section 30A-4325 allows an increased capacity for Class II and III liquids at fleet facilities Thisappears to conflict with section 4323 for Class III liquids which didnt have a capacity limit to startwith

Here there is a conflict or at least a serious inconsistency This provision was added one or twoeditions after 4323 and it appears that biofuels are beginning to be recognized It also appearsthat the intent here was to allow a relaxation of one limit in favor of a more liberal one Theproblem is the original limit doesnrsquot exist making it arguable that the application of 4325 toClass III liquids is meaningless Given the obvious intent here for some limit on Class III liquidfuels 4323 should be amended to include Class IIIs

Section 30A-4327 addresses dispensing from an aboveground tank for Class I and II liquids based uponspecific conditions

Paragraph 4322 is a hold-over dating back to when service stations were covered in Chapter 7of the old versions of NFPA 30 This set of requirements should also be amended to include ClassIIIs

Section 30A-4328 refers to NFPA 30-2171 for spill and overfill This section only applies to class Iand II liquids

While it is true that Subsection 2171 of NFPA 30 only applies to Classes I and II I do not believeit is a conflict for NFPA 30A to also apply it to Class III as well if the Technical Committee it isappropriate to do so However the language needs to be improved or an Annex item should beadded to explain the extrapolation and the reason for it

I will add this to the next meetingrsquos agenda for the Technical Committee on Automotive and MarineService Stations As usual the following applies Please understand that this response to your inquiry is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 of NFPArsquos RegulationsGoverning Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitively determine compliance with anylaws ordinances rules or regulations To determine the adequacy or safety of any device or installationyou should consult with an appropriate professional To determine legal compliance you should refer tothe appropriate authority having jurisdiction or seek legal advice

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I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will be happy toassist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarily represent the official positionof the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it berelied upon to provide professional consultation or services cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

Fire Prevention Week is October 4 ndash 10 2009 Visit wwwfirepreventionweekorg or call 800-344-3555 for moreinformation NFPA Seminars - Apply the codes with confidenceRegister at wwwnfpalearnorg NFPA Membership keeps you up-to-dateVisit wwwnfpaorgjoin for more information Or call 800-344-3555Notice The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for theexclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential andor privileged information If you are not the intendedrecipient please notify Robert Benedetti immediately by replying to the message or by calling (617) 984-7433 Please deletethis message and any attachments from your system Thank you Considering the variables in the sections referenced above are the setbacks in Table 4324 intended toapply to Class IIIA andor Class IIIB liquids for public fueling

From Schall Sheldon - COMMERCE [mailtoSheldonSchallWisconsingov] Sent Wednesday September 30 2009 832 AMTo Benedetti BobSubject NFPA 30A-4324 inquiry - URGENT Section 30A-4323 limits tank storage capacity for Class I and II No limit for Class IIIA or IIIB trueSection 30A-4324 refers to setbacks in Table 4324 No indication that these setbacks are specific toor exclude any class of flammable or combustible so it appears that the setbacks apply to Class I -Class IIIB liquids This table appears to conflict with the previous section for Class IIIA amp IIIB liquids Also trueSection 30A-4325 allows an increased capacity for Class II and III liquids at fleet facilities Thisappears to conflict with section 4323 for Class III liquids which didnt have a capacity limit to startwith Either one or the other needs to changeSection 30A-4327 addresses dispensing from an aboveground tank for Class I and II liquids based uponspecific conditions Need to cover IIIBSection 30A-4328 refers to NFPA 30-2171 for spill and overfill This section only applies to class Iand II liquids Class IIIs need to be specifically addressed Considering the variables in the sections referenced above are the setbacks in Table 4324 intended toapply to Class IIIA andor Class IIIB liquids for public fueling

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Table 4324 -13 Distance to Vehicle

From Benedetti BobTo Bill HickmanCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Monday December 14 2009 50332 PM

Good afternoon Mr Hickman To answer your question the separation distances in Table 4324 of NFPA 30A Code for MotorFuel Dispensing Facilities and Repair Garages are intended to apply to outside abovegroundstorage tanks for fuel where such is allowed The tanks inside a service station building majorrepair garage or minor repair garage would likely be handling Class IIIB liquids (flash point gt200 degF) only in accordance with Subsection 4392 of NFPA 30A Subsection 4392 does not set any specific requirements for separation between tanks inside abuilding although it does refer back to Chapters 21 through 23 of NFPA 30 Flammable andCombustible Liquids Code Shell-to-shell spacing distances for aboveground tanks areestablished in Table 22421 Table 22421 is intended for much large tanks than one wouldfind in a repair garage or ldquolube-onlyrdquo facility For example the minimum separation for tanksstoring Class IIIB liquids is 3 feet as set forth in 224212 But again the separationdistances in Chapter 22 of NFPA 30 are intended for tank farm application not for the muchsmaller tanks found in the type of occupancy governed by NFPA 30A Also any facility meeting the requirements of NFPA 30A is considered to be in compliance withNFPA 30 Please understand that this response to your inquiry is a personal opinion and does notconstitute a Formal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 ofNFPArsquos Regulations Governing Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitivelydetermine compliance with any laws ordinances rules or regulations To determine theadequacy or safety of any device or installation you should consult with an appropriateprofessional To determine legal compliance you should refer to the appropriate authorityhaving jurisdiction or seek legal advice I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will behappy to assist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPARegulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarilyrepresent the official position of the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition thiscorrespondence is neither intended nor should it be relied upon to provide professional consultation orservices cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg If you have a reported fire in your home the risk of dyingdecreases by about 80 percent when sprinklers are present

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wwwfiresprinklerinitiativeorgNotice The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for theexclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential andor privileged information If you are not the intendedrecipient please notify Robert Benedetti immediately by replying to the message or by calling (617) 984-7433 Please deletethis message and any attachments from your system Thank you

From Bill Hickman [mailtoBillHickmanstatecous] Sent Tuesday December 01 2009 939 AMTo Benedetti BobSubject Inquiry NFPA 30A - Storage of Liquids Inside Buildings Mr Benedetti Id appreciate your interpretation on an item regarding aboveground tanks storing lubricants (newused oil) inside abuilding at a repair garage NFPA 30A 439 does not include specific spacing requirements for tanks inside buildings Where there are multiple tanks being stored inside the building is there no minimum separation distance requirementthat must be met or do the requirements of Table 4324 apply Thank you in advance for your assistance __________________________________ Bill HickmanInspectorTechnical SpecialistCO Division of Oil amp Public Safety303-378-5090

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From Benedetti BobTo Peznowski EdwardCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Thursday September 03 2009 30455 PM

Hi Ed The 1996 edition of the Flammable and Combustible Liquids Code Handbook was the last one prior to thecurrent 2008 edition The commentary hasnrsquot changed My recollection of the development of this text is that the intent of NFPA 30A Code for Motor FuelDispensing Facilities and Repair Garages is to isolate the motor fuel dispensing area and its attendanthazard completely from the rest of the structure regardless of what else might be in the structure Subsection 524 assumes that the installation involves a motor fuel dispensing operation inside abuilding where you would not expect to have same such as an office building A bus repair facility wouldbe probably classed as a major repair garage and would be expected to have fueling operations Thehazard of this is in my opinion no greater than the repair operations It could be that the language in Subsection 524 needs to be clarified so that it applies only to situationssuch as I first described Please understand that this response to your inquiry is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 of NFPArsquos RegulationsGoverning Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitively determine compliance with anylaws ordinances rules or regulations To determine the adequacy or safety of any device or installationyou should consult with an appropriate professional To determine legal compliance you should refer tothe appropriate authority having jurisdiction or seek legal advice I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will be happy toassist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarily represent the official positionof the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it berelied upon to provide professional consultation or services cc 30AIFI 30AFAQ AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

Fire Prevention Week is October 4 ndash 10 2009 Visit wwwfirepreventionweekorg or call 800-344-3555 for moreinformation NFPA Seminars - Apply the codes with confidenceRegister at wwwnfpalearnorg NFPA Membership keeps you up-to-dateVisit wwwnfpaorgjoin for more information Or call 800-344-3555Notice The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for the

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exclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential andor privileged information If you are not the intendedrecipient please notify Robert Benedetti immediately by replying to the message or by calling (617) 984-7433 Please deletethis message and any attachments from your system Thank you

From Peznowski Edward [mailtoEdwardPeznowskipostatectus] Sent Monday August 31 2009 127 PMTo Benedetti BobSubject NFPA 30A Hi Bob Sorry to bother you but I need your help and interpretation of the following section of NFPA 30A 2000edition 524 - All piping inside buildings but outside the motor fuel dispensing area shall be enclosed within ahorizontal chase or a vertical shaft used only for this piping Vertical shafts and horizontal chases shall beconstructed of materials having a fire resistance rating of not less than 2 hours Bob I have a bus repair facility being built and we have fuel dispensing area within the building enclosedwith a 2hr fire resistive separation My question is I have diesel fuel piping coming from two tanks locatedoutside of the building the piping runs outside of the dispensing area does this piping need to be enclosed Ihave the proper UL listed system for through wall penetrations My problem lies here I have natural gas heating fuel oil lines for boilers and diesel fuel line for thegenerator all running through the area outside the 2 hour rated dispensing area which are not required to beenclosed My thought is within the 2 hour fire resistive construction I have storage rooms for grease and oil a office forfuel dispensing Any fuel piping running through these areas would be enclosed but once I go outside my 2hrrated enclosure the piping would not have to be enclosed NFPA 30A (1996edition)6-42 - All fuel and flammable vapor piping inside buildings but outside the service station area shall beenclosed within a horizontal chase or a vertical shaft used only for this piping Vertical shafts and horizontalchases shall be constructed of materials having a fire resistance rating of not less than 2 hoursCOMMENTARY 6-42 The intent of this requirement is to preserve the isolation of the service stationoperation from the rest of the building I donrsquot have the 2000 handbook for commentary Thanks Bob Edward J PeznowskiFire amp Life Safety SpecialistBureau of EngineeringOffice State Fire Marshal860-685-8350

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From Benedetti BobTo Hamilton James P (HOY)Cc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiSubject Inquiry NFPA 30A-2008Date Monday September 14 2009 115041 AM

Good morning Mr Hamilton The intent of this particular provision of Subsection 672 of NFPA 30A Code for Motor Fuel DispensingFacilities and Repair Garages is to ensure that the patron has access to a second disconnect if he or shecannot reach the primary disconnect ie the one that is between 20 and 100 feet from the dispenser In my opinion all of the emergency disconnects required by Section 67 must be at least 20 ft but normore than 100 ft from the nearest dispenser Please understand that this response to your inquiry is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 of NFPArsquos RegulationsGoverning Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitively determine compliance with anylaws ordinances rules or regulations To determine the adequacy or safety of any device or installationyou should consult with an appropriate professional To determine legal compliance you should refer tothe appropriate authority having jurisdiction or seek legal advice I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will be happy toassist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarily represent the official positionof the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it berelied upon to provide professional consultation or services cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

Fire Prevention Week is October 4 ndash 10 2009 Visit wwwfirepreventionweekorg or call 800-344-3555 for moreinformation NFPA Seminars - Apply the codes with confidenceRegister at wwwnfpalearnorg NFPA Membership keeps you up-to-dateVisit wwwnfpaorgjoin for more information Or call 800-344-3555Notice The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for theexclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential andor privileged information If you are not the intendedrecipient please notify Robert Benedetti immediately by replying to the message or by calling (617) 984-7433 Please deletethis message and any attachments from your system Thank you

From Hamilton James P (HOY) [mailtoHAMILTONJPbechteljacobsorg] Sent Thursday September 10 2009 1224 PMTo Benedetti BobSubject NFPA 30A 2008 Edition

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Importance High

NFPA 30A 672 states at least one additional device or disconnect shall be readily accessible toeach group of dispensing devices on an individual island Our installation does not have islands Should the second emergency shutoff be installed close to the pumps or between 20 and 100 ofthe pumps

Please respond back via email hamiltonjpbechteljacobsorg

Thanks

NFPA 127130 James P Hamilton CFPSTetraTek Inc - Fire Safety TechnologiesFire Protection LeadK-27 Pre-Demo Project 790 Emory Valley Rd 811 Oak Ridge TN 37830 ETTP Office 865-241-1902

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From Benedetti BobTo Scott DavonskiCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Tuesday August 04 2009 92429 AM

Good morning Mr Davonski My opinion is that the intent of the requirement in Subsection 1141 of NFPA 30A Code for Motor FuelDispensing Facilities and Repair Garages is that any hose longer than 18 feet should not simply bestrung along the dockrsquos surface Using a reel would be one means of securing the hose although Irsquomsure other methods such as hangers would work as well Please understand that this response to your inquiry is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 of NFPArsquos RegulationsGoverning Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitively determine compliance with anylaws ordinances rules or regulations To determine the adequacy or safety of any device or installationyou should consult with an appropriate professional To determine legal compliance you should refer tothe appropriate authority having jurisdiction or seek legal advice I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will be happy toassist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarily represent the official positionof the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it berelied upon to provide professional consultation or services cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

Fire Prevention Week is October 4 ndash 10 2009 Visit wwwfirepreventionweekorg or call 800-344-3555 for moreinformation NFPA Seminars - Apply the codes with confidenceRegister at wwwnfpalearnorg NFPA Membership keeps you up-to-dateVisit wwwnfpaorgjoin for more information Or call 800-344-3555Notice The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for theexclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential andor privileged information If you are not the intendedrecipient please notify Robert Benedetti immediately by replying to the message or by calling (617) 984-7433 Please deletethis message and any attachments from your system Thank you

From Scott Davonski [mailtodavonskiRiverheadlicom] Sent Wednesday July 22 2009 1118 AMTo Benedetti BobSubject 30A clarification

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1141 All hose shall be listed Where hose length exceeds 55 m (18 ft) the hose shall besecured so as to protect it from damage Can you provide clarification as to what is meant by ldquosecured so as to protect it fromdamagerdquo Is the standard looking not to have the hoses on the dock In a reel Any clarificationinformation would be appreciated Scott W DavonskiChief Fire MarshalTown of RiverheadP- 631-727-3200 ext 209F- 631-727-3370

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ATTACHMENT No A10
Page 16: TECHNICAL COMMITTEE ON AUTOMOTIVE and MARINE … · SUBJECT: Agenda for ROC Meeting – October 4, 2010 _____ Ladies and Gentlemen: Attached is the Agenda for the NFPA 30A Report

Report on Comments ndash June 2011 NFPA 30A_______________________________________________________________________________________________30A- Log 6

_______________________________________________________________________________________________John F Bender Underwriters Laboratories Inc

30A-6Revise text as follows

Underwriters Laboratories Inc 333 Pfingsten Road Northbrook IL 60062-2096UL 87 Standard for Power-Operated Dispensing Devices for Petroleum Products 2001 Revised 2008ANSIUL 842 Standard for Valves for Flammable Fluids 2007 Revised 2010UL 2080 Standard for Fire Resistant Tanks for Flammable and Combustible Liquids 2000ANSIUL 2085 Standard for Protected Aboveground Tanks for Flammable and Combustible Liquids 1997 Revised

1999UL 2245 Standard for Below-Grade Vaults for Flammable Liquid Storage Tanks 2006

Updated referenced standards to most recent revisions Add ANSI approval designation to ANSIUL842 and ANSIUL 2085

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Report on Comments ndash June 2011 NFPA 30A_______________________________________________________________________________________________30A- Log 4

_______________________________________________________________________________________________Marshall A Klein Marshall A Klein amp Associates Inc

30A-7Revise text to read as follows

331 Basement Basement For the purposes of this code a story of a building or structure having one-half or more ofits height below ground level and to which access for fire-fighting purposes is restricted [302008] Any story of a buildingwholly or partly below grade plane that is not considered the first story above grade plane (Also see 33X ldquoFirst StoryAbove Grade Planerdquo 33Y ldquoGrade Planerdquo and 33Z ldquoStoryrdquo) [5000 2009]33X First Story Above Grade Plane Any story having its finished floor surface entirely above grade plane except

that a basement shall be considered as a first story above grade plane where the finished surface of the floor above thebasement is (1) more than 6 ft (1830 mm) above grade plane or (2) more than 12 ft (3660 mm) above the finished levelat any point (See also 33Z ldquoStoryrdquo) [5000 2009]33Z Story The portion of a building located between the upper surface of a floor and the upper surface of the floor or

roof next above [5000 2009]33Y Grade Plane A reference plane representing the average of the finished ground level adjoining the building at all

exterior walls When the finished ground level slopes down from the exterior walls the grade plane is established by thelowest points within the area between the building and the lot line or when the lot line is more than 6 ft (1830 mm) fromthe building between the building and a point 6 ft (1830 mm) from the building (See also 33W ldquoFinished Ground Level(Graderdquo) [5000 2009]33W Finished Ground Level (Grade) The level of the finished ground (earth or other surface on ground) (See also33Y ldquoGrade Planerdquo) [5000 2009]

The Committeersquos substantiation for this Committee Proposal was ldquoThis definition is the preferreddefinition from the NFPA Glossary of Terms Changing the secondary definition to the preferred definition complies withthe Glossary of Terms Projectrdquo Also the Committeersquos statement said in part ldquohellipThe key issue relative to NFPA 30A issafe access to and evacuation from the basement area by emergency responders during an emergencyrdquo

Since the first edition of the NFPA 5000 Building Code the NFPA 30A Committee has attempted to be in correlationwith NFPA 5000 and the other Model Building Code in the the United States IBC The dispensing facilities and repairgarage buildings constructed under the NFPA 30A are also required to comply with the local building code which will beeither NFPA 5000 or IBC The proposed definition for ldquobasementrdquo that is taken from NFPA 30 is more suited for thelarger flammable and combustible types of facilities built under NFPA 30 not the service centersrepair garages builtunder NFPA 30A and the building codes

NFPA 30A should stay with its present position to correlate with the definition for a ldquobasementrdquo with NFPA 5000ldquoBuilding Construction and safety Coderdquo and not replace this definition with the one that is in NFPA 30 ldquoFlammable andCombustible Liquids Coderdquo

The term ldquobasementrdquo is only used in the NFPA 30A Code in Section 423 that deals with ignitable vapors in abasement or pit and Section 746 that applies when sprinklers are required to be installed in the basement of a majorrepair garage The two NFPA 30A sections on basements relate more to the application of the requirements in NFPA5000 and IBC than to the requirements in NFPA 30 ldquoFlammable and Combustible Liquids Coderdquo As I have notedabove during the development of the NFPA 5000 Building Code the NFPA 30A Committee was very careful tocorrelate its requirements with NFPA 5000 NFPA 101 amp IBC so that there would be minimum conflicts in theapplication of the requirements of NFPA 30A with these other Codes that greatly impact the design and construction ofMotor Fuel Dispensing Facilities and Repair Garages The definition of ldquobasementrdquo is critically important forbuilding design and should be correlated with the building codes used throughout the US and we should not use adifferent definition for basement that would cause confusion and cost in the design and application of the NFPA 30Arequirements where NFPA 5000 NFPA 101 or IBC Codes are also adopted

I have also included the addition of the definitions of ldquoFirst Story Above Grade Planerdquo ldquoStoryrdquo ldquoGrade Planerdquo andldquoFinished Ground Level (Grade)rdquo from NFPA 5000 to provide complete correlation on these building definitions withNFPA 5000 and the IBC For individuals using NFPA 30A that are only used to working with NFPA 30 these definitions

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Report on Comments ndash June 2011 NFPA 30Amay seem like overkill but to the great majority of code officials designers and owners of these types of dispensingfacilities and repair garages correlation of these terms with NFPA 5000 and IBC are critical to prevent major conflictsdelays and cost increases in interpretations and applications of code requirements between the building departmentsand fire departments

In summation based on the two sections in NFPA 30A that cover a ldquobasementrdquo requirement it serves the public interestbetter to use the ldquobasementrdquo definition and its related building definitions from NFPA 5000 to properly correlate with themodel buildings codes not NFPA 30

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Report on Comments ndash June 2011 NFPA 30A_______________________________________________________________________________________________30A- Log 1

_______________________________________________________________________________________________Alex Ralston Petcon Inc

NARevise text to read as follows

Means shall be provided to sound an audible alarm when the liquid level in the tank reaches 90 percent of capacityMeans shall also be provided either to automatically stop the flow of liquid into the tank when the liquid level reaches 98percent capacity or to restrict the flow of liquid into the tank to a maximum flow rate of 95L min (25 gpm) when theliquid level in the tank reaches 95 percent capacityThe federal underground storage tank rules state that means shall be provided to stop the flow of liquid into the tank

when the liquid reaches 95 percent capacity or restrict the flow into the tank when the liquid level reaches 90 percentcapacity

None given

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Report on Comments ndash June 2011 NFPA 30A_______________________________________________________________________________________________30A- Log 2

_______________________________________________________________________________________________Alex Ralston Petcon Inc

NARevise text to read as follows

On remote pressure pumping systems each pump shall have installed on the discharge side a listed leak detectiondevice that will provide an audible or visible indication if the piping and dispensing devices are not liquid tight Replace with device that will either restrict the flow of product to the dispenser or shut-off the flow of product to

indicate if the piping and dispensing devices are liquid tightThe explanation attempts to explain the federal underground storage tank regulations however the

regulation that provides for an audible or visible alarm relates to overfill prevention in federal regulations not leakdetectionThe regulations on leak detection for pressurized piping in the explanation are correct but if youll note nowhere in the

explanation is audible or visual alarms mentioned

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Report on Comments ndash June 2011 NFPA 30A_______________________________________________________________________________________________30A- Log 8

_______________________________________________________________________________________________Robert Bourke Northeastern Regional Fire Code Development Committee

30A-42Revise to read 623 Fuel-dispensing systems including dispensers hoses nozzleshelliphelliphellip

blended motor fuels shall be listed or approved for the specific purposeThis requirement should only be stating that the equipment is listed for the specific purpose

ldquoApprovedrdquo by definition means ldquoacceptable to the AHJrdquoToo often a Standard may misuse the word ldquoapprovedrdquo in order to not exclude other listing organizations that publish

its list in a document that they refer to as an ldquoApproval Guiderdquo Regardless the document is still a listing

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Report on Comments ndash June 2011 NFPA 30A_______________________________________________________________________________________________30A- Log 3

_______________________________________________________________________________________________David B Wechsler The Dow Chemical Company

30A-34Revise and add new sentences shown under 831 and A831 and modify Table 831 as

indicated831 Table 831 shall be used to delineate and classify areas for the purposes of installing electrical wiring and

electrical utilization equipment (See also Figure 831) WARNING The US National Electrical Code has differentequipment and installation requirements from other International Standards Therefore for example equipment used inEurope may not be acceptable for installation in the USA831 The designation and decision installation and use of electrical equipment for Classes and Divisions in

hazardous (classified) locations are defined Article 500 501 and 504 of NFPA 70 National Electrical Code Thedesignation and design installation and use of electrical equipment for Classes and Zones in hazardous (classified)locations are defined in Article 505 and 504 of NFPA 70 National Electrical Code The designation and designinstallation and use of electrical equipment in lsquoZonesrsquo Zone 0 Zone 1 and Zone 2 are addressed in other internationalstandardsWithin Table 831 add a new column titled ldquoZones and copy the information from the Class I Zone column into this

new columnAlternatively to all of the above remove the ldquoZonesrdquo column completely from Table 831

While the stated intent of this proposal is understood as being to try and deal with the internationalnature of applying NFPA 30A there are problems with the approach presented by a simple extraction from the NECFirst as presented the new column only addresses the US Zone methodology The US Zone methodology for

flammable vapor gases liquids and combustible vapors and liquids is identified by the terms lsquoClass I Zone 0rsquo lsquoClass IZone 1rsquo and lsquoClass I Zone 2rsquo However under the IEC or ATEX (aka Europe International) the terms are simply lsquoZone0rsquo lsquoZone 1rsquo or lsquoZone 2rsquo Therefore the table revision is not correct for international useSecond this TIA and proposal was to lsquoincorporate the (European) Zone System of designating hazardous (classified)

locations and the allowable wiring methods and electrical utilization devices that can be used in themrsquo However the USNEC is not an international code Thus while the US NEC Article 505 does permit the use of the Class I Zonemethodology adding this column in NFPA 30A does not address the more complex nature of the design and installationproblems associated with Zone certified equipment in the US The NEC under Article 5059 Equipment provides for theuse of only AEx equipment as may be seen for example under paragraph ldquo(2) Zone Equipment Equipment meeting oneor more of the protection techniques described in 5058 shall be marked with all of the following in the order shown(1) Class(2) Zone(3) Symbol ldquoAExrdquo(4) Protection technique(s) in accordance with Table 5059(C)(2)(4)(5) Applicable gas classification group(s) in accordance with Table 9(C)(1)(2)Without adding additional text usersinspectors etc may think using Zones is just like using the Division methodology

This is not true and equipment not otherwise permitted under the US NEC may be installed because of the impliedactions currently reflected in this proposal This is a significant issue

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Report on Comments ndash June 2011 NFPA 30A_______________________________________________________________________________________________30A- Log 9

_______________________________________________________________________________________________Donald R Offerdahl North Dakota State Electrical Board

30A-36Insert figure for 831(B)

Insert Artwork Figure 831(A) and 831(B) Here

Proposal 30A-36 should have been accepted in principal these types of storage tanks and dispensersare widely used in farms construction sites and business fleet operations

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Report on Comments ndash June 2011 NFPA 30A_______________________________________________________________________________________________30A- Log 5

_______________________________________________________________________________________________Mindy Wang Ampco Safety Tools

30A-39Not proposing new text Please see comment in Substantiation

Although procedures for cleanup of spills is not within the scope of NFPA 30A we feel compelled toaddress API 2214 referenced by the Committee Information presented below shows API 2214 is misleading andundermines safe work practices In fact API 2214 conflicts with OSHA regulations Accredited Standards Developerrsquosstandards and safe work practices FM Approvals LLC formerly Factory Mutual Research Corporation (FM) is an international organization recognized

by the US government as a Nationally Recognized Testing Laboratory (NRTL) for scientific research and productcertification Product approval from a NRTL assures that products meet consensus-based standards of safety to providethe assurance required by OSHA that these products are safe for use in the United States workplace FM ApprovalStandard 7910 Spark Resistant Tools is used as guidance to evaluate tools intended for use in environments wherethere is a risk of ignition of flammable materials dusts or vapors resulting from sparks created by iron and steel handtools These tools prevent the ignition of flammable materials dusts or vapors by mechanical sparks created by the useof iron and steel hand tools slipping or striking a surface American Petroleum Institute (API) Publication 2214contradicts NRTL research and product certification as evidence in FM Approvals granted for spark resistance toolsFM has conducted tests of Ampco Safety Tools as covered in Report Job Identification No IN4A0AF in accordancewith the requirements of Safety Tools Approval Test Procedure Class 7910 and test results show

Sparks created from steel plates ignited carbon disulfide saturated pads eight of eight tests ethyl ether pads fiveof eight tests and naphtha VMampP four of eight tests

No sparks were observed and no ignition of the flammable liquids mentioned above from approved Ampco SafetyTools Other investigations also contradict APIrsquos conclusion on non-sparking tools A paper published in the Fire Protection

Journal ldquoThe Danger of Incendive Sparksrdquo stated that after APIrsquos conclusion on ldquonon-sparkingrdquo tools Institute ofPetroleum sought the advice of the Fire Research Board Committee on Industrial Fires and Explosion This committeecame to certain conclusions one of which was ldquoUntilhellipevidence is obtained to show that the impact of steel hand toolson steel is safe it is advisable to use non-sparking tools in situations where flammable atmospheres are unavoidablerdquo The NFPA Fire Protection Handbook 20th edition published in January 2008 does not support the conclusion that

API 2214 represents In fact many NFPA codes the use of ldquonon-sparkingrdquo tools in flammable atmospheresAccording to NFPA Fire Protection Handbook ldquoWhen flammable and combustible liquids are stored or handled theliquid is usually exposed to the air at some stage in the operation except where the storage is confined to sealedcontainers that are not filled or opened on the premises or where handling is in closed systems and vapor losses arerecovered Even when the storage or handling is in a closed system there is always the possibility of breaks or leakswhich permit the liquid to escape It is a to eliminate sources of ignition in places where low flashpointflammable liquids are stored handled or used even though no vapor may ordinarily be presentrdquo NFPA 921 Guide for Fire and Explosion Investigations 2008 Edition Chapter 5 Basic Fire Science Table 5711

Reported Burning and Sparking Temperature of Selected Ignition Sources under Mechanical Sparks lists a Steel tooltemperature at 2550degF When working with flammable gases liquids or vapors a potential hazard arises because of thepossibility that sparks produced by steel or iron tools can become an ignition source OSHA Flammable and Combustible Liquids regulation 29 CFR Parts 1910106(b) on tank storage paragraph

1910106(b)(6) states that precaution shall be taken to eliminate or control sources of ignitions including frictional heatand mechanical sparks to prevent the ignition of flammable vapors In OSHA regulation 29 CFR 1910146 Permit-Required Confined Spaces Appendix D Confined Space Pre-Entry

Check List non-sparking tool is listed as one type of entry equipment OSHA 29 CFR 1910146 StandardInterpretations Interpretative guidance and equipment approved for hazardous locations relative to the Permit-RequiredConfined Spaces states that ldquohellipthe standard does not prohibit entry into a permit space where a hazardous flammableatmosphere is at or above the 10 LFL For concentrations at or above 10 LFL paragraph (d) would theemployer to incorporate safe work procedures to address the flammableexplosive hazard (such as equipment approvedfor hazardous locations) in the entry plan for those spaces Electrical equipment as well as other sources of ignition(non-sparking hand tools) be considered and addressed for the hazardous atmosphererdquo OSHA regulation 29 CFR Parts 1910120 Hazardous waste operations and emergency response paragraph

1910120(j)(2)(v) requires that ldquoWhen there is a reasonable possibility of flammable atmospheres being present

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Report on Comments ndash June 2011 NFPA 30Amaterial handling equipment and hand tools shall be of the type to prevent sources of ignition EPA has identifiedsolvents such as xylene acetone ethyl acetate ethyl benzene and ethyl ether commonly used in all industries (theF-list) and discarded commercial chemical products such as acetone benzene ethyl ether and xylene (the P-list andU-list) as ignitable hazardous wastes API members such as ExxonMobil and Chevron as well as others in the petroleum industry such as Valero CITGO

Petroleum Corporation Chem-Supply Pty Ltd Irving Oil Ltd Petrol Star Inc Nova Chemicals and El Paso Corporationregularly the use of ldquonon-sparkingrdquo tools under Accidental Release Measures and Handling and Storage sectionsin the MSDSrsquos for their petroleum products These companies clearly recognize the need for ldquonon-sparkingrdquo tools inworking with and around flammable materials API 2214 Section 12 Background ldquohellipthese engineers pointed out that although numerous opportunities existed for

the production of sparks from violent contact of steel objects with other steel objects there was a negligible record offires resulting from such a causerdquo On the contrary there are a number of documented incidents involving flammablevapors ignited by steel sparks from tools A few examples are as follows

OSHA inspection 300965795 an employee in the process of cleaning loose material from drill piping with ametal hammer While striking the pipe with a hammer an explosion occurred Employee was killed in the explosion onsite

OSHA inspection 2272953 two employees were assigned the job of tending a 100 gallon (water jacket) reactorkettle of methyl methacrylate in the mixing room Employee 1 used a metal wrench (visegrips) to pry open the cover ofa kettle The wrench handle struck the angle iron support for the agitator motor producing a spark Employee 2noticed the spark which was immediately followed by a massive ldquofire ballrdquo Both employees were engulfed in thefireball Employee 3 came to the area to assist the other employees The investigation states that non-sparking toolswere not provided for the employees All three employees received first and second degree burns on their face armsand abdomen Employee 2 also received some third degree burns All three employees were hospitalized

OSHA inspection 124728437 Employee 1 and a coworker both maintenance mechanics were working in a 30inch by 36 inch manhole at a gas station Employee 1 was trying to change a fuel pump while the coworker watchedfrom outside the manhole Employee 1 was using an Allen wrench to loosen the bolts on the fuel pump lead when hecreated a spark that ignited the gas fumes in the manhole causing an explosion Employee 1 suffered burns to hisface hands arms and legs in the explosion and was hospitalized

OSHA inspection 111109237 Employee 1 or 3 attempted to cut a metal pipe with a metal saw whileEmployee 2 was standing on top of one of two 5000 gallon gas tanks trying to remove a tank fitting Sparks from thesaw the pipe wrench or another unknown source ignited the gas vapors which exploded Employees 1 and 3 werekilled of burns at the scene Employee 2 died at the burn center as a result of burns sustained in the explosion

OSHA inspection 102826625 Employee 1 worked for a company that cleans paints and replaces valves in LPand MAPP gas cylinders Before removing an old valve Employee 1 would open the valve to let the residual gas leakout on the loading dock Where there was a large quantity of cylinders Employee 1 would invert the cylinder so theresidual gas could vent faster Employee 1 had an accumulation of a gas and air mixture around his work area Thevapors were ignited either by a spark from the metal screwdriver he was using to open a damaged valve or by an openflame burner approximately 40 feet away There was a fire and explosion The employee sustained 2nd and 3rd degreeburns on the lower half of his body and was hospitalized

OSHA inspection 607366 an employee was sawing an airplane wing into sections with a portable powered handsaw the saw created a spark that caused an explosion of gasoline vapors in the wing fuel tank Employee 1 killed andEmployee 2 injured in explosion and was hospitalized

OSHA inspection 309178523 employer was cited for violating Section 5(a)(1) of the Occupational Safety andHealth Act of 1970 often referred to as the General Duty Clause which requires employers to furnish to each of hisemployees employment and a place of employment which are free from recognized hazards that are causing or arelikely to cause death or serious physical harm to his employees for exposing employee to an explosion hazard byopening the hydrogen tube trailer main valve without using non-sparking tools

OSHA inspection 304994304 employer was cited for violating Section 5(a)(1) of the Occupational Safety andHealth Act of 1970 violation for exposing employee to a fireexplosion hazard while performing maintenance operationson LP gas tanks with ferrous tools One feasible and acceptable abatement method to correct this hazard is toimplement the use of non- sparking toolsThe Report of the BP US Refineries independent Safety Review Panel also known as the Baker Panel Report states

that ldquoPreventing process accidents requires vigilance The passing of time without a process accident is not necessarilyan indicator that all is well and may contribute to a dangerous and growing sense of complacencyrdquo This sample ofOSHA documented events illustrates accidents do happen when proper safety measures are not taken againstmechanical sparks from steel tools as a possible ignition sourceHaving said that we appreciate the Committeersquos time and agree with the Committee that procedures for cleanup of

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Report on Comments ndash June 2011 NFPA 30Aspills is not within the scope of NFPA 30A

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Report on Comments ndash June 2011 NFPA 30A_______________________________________________________________________________________________30A- Log 7

_______________________________________________________________________________________________Robert Bourke Northeastern Regional Fire Code Development Committee

30A-19Add a new section to read 11721 Where approved by the Authority Having Jurisdiction piers

that extend more than 152 m (500 ft) in travel distance from shore shall be permitted to provide a Class I standpipe thatis installed in accordance with NFPA 14 Standard for the Installation of Standpipe and Hose Systems

The TC missed the point in the substantiation of the proposalIt was not the intent of the proposal to obtain additional flexibility of FD use over that which is provided by a Class III

standpipe system The intent of the proposal was to provide relief from the requirement where the local AHJ feels thatthe effectiveness and likelihood of occupant use of fire hoses does not justify the added risk to the occupant or theinstallation and maintenance costs associated with the requisite hose for a Class III system A Class I system would stillprovide FD fire fighting capabilities in jurisdictions where the AHJ prefers occupants to evacuate and not attempt to fightfires beyond portable fire extinguisher capability

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From Benedetti BobTo bcotnerswriorgCc Harrington Greg Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiBcc May PaulSubject Inquiry NFPA 30 amp NFPA 30ADate Thursday July 08 2010 121900 PM

Good Morning Mr Cotner Greg Harrington asked that I respond to your question about the proper use ofintermediate bulk containers Actually an intermediate bulk container is a shipping vessel that must meetrequirements and specifications of the U S Department of Transportation for shippingmaterials from Point A to Point B It is not intended to be a storage vessel althoughthe liquid contained is obviously dispensed from the vessel for use Dispensing of motor fuels is covered by NFPA 30A Code for Motor Fuel DispensingFacilities and Repair Garages NFPA 30A states in Subsection 421 421 Liquids shall be stored in the following(1) Approved closed containers that do not exceed 227 L (60 gal) capacity and arelocated outside buildings(2) Tanks or approved closed containers located inside motor fuel dispensingfacilities or repair garages(3) Aboveground tanks underground tanks and containers in accordance with therequirements of Section 43(4) Tanks supplying marine service stations in accordance with Section 112 Section 43 states the following 432 Aboveground Storage Tanks Except as modified by the provisions of thissubsection aboveground storage tanks shall meet all applicable requirements ofChapters 21 through 23 and 27 of NFPA 30 Flammable and Combustible Liquids Code So in accordance with NFPA 30A Subsection 421(3) indicates that abovegroundstorage of motor fuel must be in a tank that meets the provisions of Section 43 Thelatter in turn references the Chapters in NFPA 30 that deal with fixed storage tanks Nowhere in these chapters is there any reference to an intermediate bulk container Chapter 9 of NFPA 30 does recognize an intermediate bulk container for warehouse-type storage of Class I flammable liquids but does not anticipate continual dispensingand use One could evaluate an intermediate bulk container as a means of long-term storageand dispensing of liquids under the Equivalency clause My opinion is that an intermediate bulk container is not considered a substitute for anaboveground storage tank but this is not specifically stated in the relevant codes This issue will be added to the agendas for the Technical Committees involved Please understand that this response is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 ofNFPArsquos Regulations Governing Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon todefinitively determine compliance with any laws ordinances rules or regulations Todetermine legal compliance you should refer to the appropriate authority havingjurisdiction or seek legal advice It is not intended nor should it be relied upon toprovide professional consultation or services To determine the adequacy or safety ofany device or installation you should consult with an appropriate professional

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I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write Iwill be happy to assist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant toNFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does notnecessarily represent the official position of the NFPA or its Technical Committees Inaddition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it be relied upon to provideprofessional consultation or services cc 30IFI 30AIFI AUVNM FLCSWCNM FLCTANNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

If you have a reported fire in your home the risk of dyingdecreases by about 80 percent when sprinklers are present

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From Harrington Greg Sent Wednesday July 07 2010 350 PMTo Benedetti BobSubject FW Intermediate Bulk Containers Hi Bob Can you answer the question below Hersquos a friend of mine former inspector with San Antonio FD when Iworked down there now a safety guy at SWRI Thanks a lot --Greg

From Bill Cotner [mailtobcotnerswriorg] Sent Wednesday July 07 2010 332 PMTo Harrington GregSubject Intermediate Bulk Containers Hey Greg howrsquos the heat in Boston here it is a balmy 93 enjoying it I have a question probably out ofyour area but Irsquom sure you know who to route it to We have a group here that wants to dispense fuelfrom a stainless steel IBC into test engines I donrsquot think that is the intended use or what it has beenlisted for Can I get some guidance on this issue I appreciate anything you can do for me Bill Bill CotnerSenior Fire SpecialistEnvironmental Safety and Quality SystemsSouthwest Research InstitutePhone (210) 522-5101Fax (210) 522-5093Mobile (210) 669-7005Email bcotner swriorg

From Benedetti BobTo Ebanks DesmondCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiBcc May PaulSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Monday June 14 2010 35400 PM

Good afternoon Mr Ebanks The intent of Subsection 422 of NFPA 30A Code for Motor Fuel Dispensing Facilities and RepairGarages is that there be no direct piped connection between the aboveground storage tank inthe bulk plant and the fuel dispensing device in the motor fuel dispensing facility In my opinionthis includes any intervening underground storage tank The hazard being addressed is the potential to overfill the underground storage tank due to thestatic head of the liquid in the aboveground storage tank Please understand that this response is a personal opinion and does not constitute a FormalInterpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 of NFPArsquos RegulationsGoverning Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitively determine compliancewith any laws ordinances rules or regulations To determine legal compliance you shouldrefer to the appropriate authority having jurisdiction or seek legal advice It is not intended norshould it be relied upon to provide professional consultation or services To determine theadequacy or safety of any device or installation you should consult with an appropriateprofessional I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will behappy to assist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPARegulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarilyrepresent the official position of the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition thiscorrespondence is neither intended nor should it be relied upon to provide professional consultation orservices cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg Attend the premier event for fire life safety and electrical professionals

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From Ebanks Desmond [mailtoDesmondEbanksgovky] Sent Monday May 24 2010 940 AMTo Benedetti BobSubject bulk storage supply to motor fuel facilities Hi Bob NFPA 30A (2003) 422 gives to positions in relation to motor fuel dispensing facilities (mfdf) that I would like to havefurther clarified for Code intent please The first is that dispensing devices at the mfdf shall not be supplied by ASTs located in the bulk plant Does this implythat supply from a UST (underground storage tank) in the bulk storage facility would be acceptable or to the other extentthat even if the bulk AST supplied a loading rack which in turn supplied a UST both in the bulk facility that supplyfrom the bulk AST is still not permitted The second statement refers to any storage tank at the mfdf saying they shall not be connected by piping to bulkfacility ASTs Similarly does this imply that a UST (underground storage tank) in the bulk storage facility would beacceptable or that if the bulk tank was connected to a loading rack and the loading rack connected by non-permanentmeans to an mfdf tank that this would be permissible RegardsDes EbanksAssistant Petroleum InspectorThe Petroleum InspectorateCayman Islands GovernmentAnderson Square 4th floorPO Box 31213Grand CaymanKY1-1205Cayman IslandsOffice 345 244 3458Mobile 345 925 3317Fax 345 949 0920Email desmondebanksgovky

From Benedetti BobTo Shriniwas BodhankarCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiBcc May PaulSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Monday June 14 2010 50100 PM

Good day Sir There has been no discussion by the Technical Committee on Automotive and Marine ServiceStations to alter the separation distances in Table 4324 of NFPA 30A Code for Motor FuelDispensing Facilities and Repair Garages as they pertain to liquid fuels including high flashpoint diesel fuels Also there have been no proposals to make such a change to NFPA 30A I trust this answers your question R P Benedetti cc -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

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From Shriniwas Bodhankar [mailtobodhankarenoccom] Sent Tuesday June 01 2010 536 AMTo Maynard Mary Benedetti BobSubject NFPA 30 A Dear sir Reference is made to table no 4324 of NFPA code 30A specifying the minimum distance between storagetanks and dispensing equipment A dispenser should be placed minimum 50 feet away from a bunded abovegroundsteel tank to meet this requirementIn our opinion this is too stringent and uncalled for in case of high flash diesel ( Flash point above 65 degreecentigrade) A bunded tank where spill can be contained within bund is as safe as a vaulted tankfire resistanttankprotected tank Therefore it is equally safe to install an approved dispensing device immediately outside thebund provided the vent of the tank is 4 meters above the grade level on which the dispensing device is installedVarious international oil companies like SHELL amp BP carry similar installations for their fleet customers of dieselMoreover there are standard skids being marketed in EUROPE (even for gasoline) which have storage tanks and

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dispensers on same skid and such an arrangement is accepted by ldquoAuthority Having Jurisdictionrdquo(AHJ)Kindly advise if this standard requirement is being reviewed or otherwise if based on performance based designsuch a requirement may be waived or considered as ldquo highly recommendedrdquo in the leastBased on your feedback we wish to discuss this with AHJ in UAE Regards Regards Shriniwas BodhankarSenior EHS Compliance Officer( Special Projects)Group EHSQ Compliance DepartmentEmirates National Oil Company Limited (ENOC) LLC ENOC House I PO Box 6442Dubai United Arab EmiratesDirect +971 4 313 4437Fax +971 4 313 4482bodhankarenoccom | wwwenoccom

This message together with any attachments contains confidential information and is intended only for the use of theaddressee(s) and may contain information which is covered by legal professional or other privilege If you are not theintended recipient please inform the sender immediately and delete this e-mail You should not copy this e-mail or use itfor any purpose nor disclose its contents to any other person ENOC does not warrant that this transmission is virus freeand will not be liable for any damages resulting from any virus ENOC Dubai UAE

From Benedetti BobTo EActonccfireusCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiBcc May PaulSubject Inquiry NFPA 30A amp NFPA 30Date Monday August 02 2010 44400 PMAttachments DSC06169JPG

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Good day Mr Acton Fire protection provisions for major and minor repair garages and ldquolube-onlyrdquofacilities which is the topic of your concern are provided in NFPA 30A Code for MotorFuel Dispensing Facilities and Repair Garages currently 2008 edition Chapter 5 ofNFPA 30A covers piping systems but its specific provisions focus on piping systemsbetween fuel storage tanks and fuel dispensers Chapter 5 also directly referencesChapter 27 of the 2008 edition of NFPA 30 Flammable and Combustible Liquids Code(successor to Chapter 5 of the 2003 edition) Subsection 527 of NFPA 30A allows piping made from low-melting point materials tobe installed in exposed areas but only in specific locations These are limited tocontainment sumps under dispensers containment sumps for underground fuelstorage tanks and sumps for below-grade piping connections Chapter 5 of NFPA 30Ais silent on piping inside buildings Therefore the user is left with the provisions ofChapter 27 of NFPA 30 NFPA 30 in turn does allow piping fabricated of low melting point materials to beused exposed outdoors or inside buildings with the following provisions ldquo27441 Such materials shall be permitted to be used outdoors above ground orinside buildings provided they meet one of the following conditions (1) They are resistant to damage by fire(2) They are located so that any leakage resulting from failure will not exposepersons important buildings or structures(3) They are located where leakage can be controlled by operation of one or moreaccessible remotely located valvesrdquo Regardless of the material of construction of the piping and components the followinggeneral requirement from Chapter 27 of NFPA 30 always applies ldquo273 General Requirements2731 Performance Standards The design fabrication assembly test and inspectionof piping systems shall be suitable for the working pressures and structural stresses tobe encountered by the piping system Compliance with applicable sections of ASMEB31 Code for Pressure Piping and the provisions of this chapter shall be consideredprima facie evidence of compliance with the foregoing provisions2732 Tightness of Piping Piping systems shall be maintained liquidtight A pipingsystem that has leaks that constitute a hazard shall be emptied of liquid or repaired ina manner acceptable to the authority having jurisdictionrdquo Your interpretation of Subsection 511 of the 2003 edition of NFPA 30 (2711 in the2008 edition) is correct the chapter applies to any piping system that handles aflammable or combustible liquid regardless of pressure Likewise you are correct thatthe piping system must meet the provisions of ASME B31 for the material chosen andthe anticipated operating pressures and temperatures (531 in the 2003 edition 2741 in the 2008 edition) However low melting point materials (aluminum copperbrass and polymeric materials) are allowed under the provisions of Subsection 534(2003 edition) and 2744 (2008 edition) What must be determined is does thepiping system comply with one of the conditions stated in 27441 as stated above

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Please understand that this response is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 ofNFPArsquos Regulations Governing Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon todefinitively determine compliance with any laws ordinances rules or regulations Todetermine legal compliance you should refer to the appropriate authority havingjurisdiction or seek legal advice It is not intended nor should it be relied upon toprovide professional consultation or services To determine the adequacy or safety ofany device or installation you should consult with an appropriate professional I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write Iwill be happy to assist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant toNFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does notnecessarily represent the official position of the NFPA or its Technical Committees Inaddition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it be relied upon to provideprofessional consultation or services cc 30IFI 30AIFI AUVNM FLCTANNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

If you have a reported fire in your home the risk of dyingdecreases by about 80 percent when sprinklers are present

wwwfiresprinklerinitiativeorgNotice The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intendedfor the exclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential andor privileged information If you arenot the intended recipient please notify Robert Benedetti immediately by replying to the message or by calling(617) 984-7433 Please delete this message and any attachments from your system Thank you

From Eric Acton [mailtoEActonccfireus] Sent Monday July 19 2010 636 PMTo Benedetti BobSubject InterpretationOpinion request

Good day My name is Eric Acton I am the Fire Marshal for Campbell CountyWyoming and Irsquom employed by Campbell County Fire Department My NFPA

membership number is 2755369 My mailing and email addresses are listed below I am in need of a technical opinion regarding 2003 NFPA 30 Chapter 5 or morecurrently 2008 NFPA 30A Chapter 5 Some brief project backgroundAn owner within my jurisdiction has built a commercial lube-oil center to servicecustomersrsquo vehicles A ldquopitrdquo exists below the service bay to allow workers to drainthe oil from the vehicle then workers on the main floor refill the oil by use ofpressurized nozzles Several motor oil storage tanks are located in the pitaccounting for several brands and viscosities of oil The tanks are designed to befilled by use of a piping system which extends from an exterior connection vault toeach of the storage tanks using gravity to move the product in the fill-pipingsystem The material the owner chose to construct the fill-piping system wasldquostandardrdquo 1-12rdquo Schedule 40 PVC and Parker Series 7094 Electrically Non-Conductive rubber hose The piping system is exposed it is not underground nor isit protected from flame by means of a fire-rated chase Having identified the use of combustible liquids in this occupancy I utilized 2006International Fire Code (as adopted by my jurisdiction) Chapter 34 Flammable andCombustible Liquids to review and inspect the project IFC Section 340362referred me to NFPA 30 Chapter 5 for the construction materials to use where Iinterpreted (2003 version) 30511 to mean that the piping system components (pipetubing flanges bolting gaskets valves fittingshellip) must meet the requirementsregardless of pressure And that the following components specified in theparagraph must meet the requirements ONLY if they contained pressure ndashhelliprdquoexpansion joints and strainers and devices such thathelliprdquo I further interpreted(2003 version) 30531 Material Specifications similarly in that the ldquoPipe valvesfaucets couplingshelliprdquo must meet the requirements regardless of pressure while ldquohellipother pressure-containing partshelliprdquo meant ONLY the other parts that containedpressure Verbatim to 30511 is encountered in 2008 NFPA 30A Chapter 5paragraph 51 Scope The owner states his piping complies with the standard cited because it is gravity-fed hence no ldquopressurerdquo is seen by the piping components I maintain that thepiping system shall consist of metal pipe (or another material meeting therequirements of ASME B31 as allowed by 2003 NFPA 30531) to comply with NFPA30 and IFC Some assistance to resolve this problem is greatly appreciated I have attachedsome photographs for clarification Thanks for your attentionEric

Eric ActonFire MarshalCampbell County Fire Department 106 Rohan Avenue Gillette WY 82716 (307) 682-5319 ext 8912(307) 686-2222 Fax(307) 680-9612 Cell

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From Benedetti BobTo Howard Jim (Woodbridge)Cc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiBcc May PaulSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Monday June 28 2010 115100 AM

Good morning Mr Howard First I appreciate your patience with me while I reviewed the information sent to meby yourself and Mr Luby of Veeder-Root I wanted to ensure that I thoroughlyunderstood how the system functions in its line leak detection mode My understanding of the arrangement of the piping system from the pair ofunderground storage tanks is that the electronic line leak detector the PLLD tests thesupply piping from the two submersible pumps to the dispensers as a single system This includes the direct piping run from the master pump to the dispensers AND thepiping that connects the slave pump to the direct piping run The intent of Subsection 642 of the 2008 edition of NFPA 30A Code for Motor FuelDispensing Facilities and Repair Garages is to ensure that some type of leak detectiondevice monitors the piping from the submersible pump to the dispensers in such amanner that a leak in the piping leading to the dispensers or in the dispensersthemselves is detected and notification of a leak given Since the two pumps act intandem and since the entire piping system from the pumps to the dispensers ismonitored my personal opinion is that the intent of Subsection 642 is met andevaluation of the system described as being equivalent to what is required bySubsection 642 is reasonable Whether the system described meets the criteria of Section 15 Equivalency of NFPA30A must be determined by the authority having jurisdiction As NFPA Staff Liaison forNFPA 30A I cannot make such a determination under NFPArsquos Regulations GoverningCommittee Projects Please understand that this response is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 ofNFPArsquos Regulations Governing Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon todefinitively determine compliance with any laws ordinances rules or regulations Todetermine legal compliance you should refer to the appropriate authority havingjurisdiction or seek legal advice It is not intended nor should it be relied upon toprovide professional consultation or services To determine the adequacy or safety ofany device or installation you should consult with an appropriate professional I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write Iwill be happy to assist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant toNFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does notnecessarily represent the official position of the NFPA or its Technical Committees Inaddition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it be relied upon to provideprofessional consultation or services cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids Engineer

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National Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

If you have a reported fire in your home the risk of dyingdecreases by about 80 percent when sprinklers are present

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From Howard Jim (Woodbridge) [mailtoJHowardhesscom] Sent Monday June 14 2010 1144 AMTo Benedetti BobCc Howard Jim (Woodbridge) Bob Luby Subject Importance High Bob It was a pleasure talking to you this morning regarding the Line Leak Detection applicationin place at Hess Station 08501 - Milltown DE (drawing attached) as well as several thousandlocations worldwide Here is some background information on this installation

Site had 3 - 10000 gallon gasoline tanks 1 - 10000 Regular (87) 1 - 10000 Plus (89) 1 - 10000 Premium (93) prior to our Dispenser Replacement Project Because of theoverwhelming demand for Regular gasoline (887 in 2009) we converted the existingPlus tank to additional Regular storageDispensers were replaced with new Blend Dispensers Tanks were not manifoldedRegular and former-Plus product lines were manifolded at each dispenserWe installed Veeder-Root PLLDs (Electronic Line Leak Detectors) on the Regular 1and Premium STPs We installed a non-vented Swift Check on Regular 2 (formerPlus) STP Because the PLLD is vented we MUST install a non-vented swift check onRegular STP 2 in order to test the system as a wholeWe have demonstrated via post-construction testing that the system will pick up a 3gph leak

The State of DE has questioned our compliance with NFPA 30A 642 Each pump shallhave installed on the discharge side a listed leak detection device that will provide an audibleor visible indication if the piping or a dispenser is leaking Each leak-detecting device shallbe checked and tested at least annually according to the manufacturers specifications toensure proper installation and operation

Can you comment on whether the system shown on the attached and described above and onour call meets the NFPA requirement or if it meets the definition of Equivalency as definedin Chapter 15 - Equivalency Thank you in advance for your consideration in this matter Please do not hesitate to contactme if there are any questions or concerns on this application ThanksJim Howard RFMPManager Maintenance amp UST ComplianceHess Corporation732-750-6220 (office)800-903-4801 (Emergency Hotline)E-mail UST Inspections to USTCompliancehesscomFax UST Inspections to 866-435-6744

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From Benedetti BobTo Gary KostalCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiBcc May PaulSubject Inquiry NFPA 30 NFPA 30ADate Tuesday August 10 2010 43200 PM

Good afternoon Mr Kostal There are no provisions in NFPA 30 Flammable and Combustible Liquids Code togovern dispensing of motor fuels into motorized equipment and the devices youdescribe are not mentioned at all in NFPA 30 or in the only other related NFPAdocument that might apply NFPA 30A Code for Motor Fuel Dispensing Facilities andRepair Garages I cannot say that these units are either allowed or disallowed because neither NFPA30 nor NFPA 30A speaks about them The only provisions that might apply are the quantity limitations established in thesetwo codes depending on which code applies If the maintenance building is considered an industrial occupancy then Chapter 9 ofNFPA 30 establishes a maximum allowable quantity for of 120 gallons for Class Iliquids (The maximum allowable quantity is actually a threshold value Up to theMAQ compliance with NFPA 30 is not required above it NFPA 30 applies) If the maintenance building is considered a repair garage then NFPA 30A takesprecedence It also sets a 120 gallon limit on the maximum quantity of Class I liquid In both cases the quantity of fuel involved is 50 percent of the maximum allowed Myopinion is that there is no violation of either NFPA 30 or NFPA 30A Please understand that this response is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 ofNFPArsquos Regulations Governing Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon todefinitively determine compliance with any laws ordinances rules or regulations Todetermine legal compliance you should refer to the appropriate authority havingjurisdiction or seek legal advice It is not intended nor should it be relied upon toprovide professional consultation or services To determine the adequacy or safety ofany device or installation you should consult with an appropriate professional I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write Iwill be happy to assist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant toNFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does notnecessarily represent the official position of the NFPA or its Technical Committees Inaddition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it be relied upon to provideprofessional consultation or services cc 30IFI 30AIFI-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch Park

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Quincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg Important Notice This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPA RegulationsAny opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarily represent the officialposition of the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition this correspondence is neither intended norshould it be relied upon to provide professional consultation or services

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From Gary Kostal [mailtogarykbloomingdalefirecom] Sent Monday August 09 2010 328 PMTo Benedetti BobSubject Looking for assistance - portable gas caddies Membership 2329840 Gary KostalFire Prevention DirectorBloomingdale Fire District Question (Non-formal opinion) I have a country club where they service a very large number of lawn maintenance equipment on a dailybasis They are utilizing a portable gas container (gas caddy) that holds approximately 30 gallons ofgasoline The unit is equipped with a hand style pump which is located on the top of the tank Fuel isdispensed from this tank as you crank the pump There are no nozzles located on the hose These gascaddies are being used inside their maintenance building which is fully fire sprinkled They are presentlyusing two of these devices inside the same building which is basically one days use

My question is are these devices allowed for this type of dispensing Are they required to be equippedwith a self closing nozzle What NFPA sections would apply to this particular type of device Thank you for your assistance in this matter

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From Benedetti BobTo SheldonSchallWisconsingovCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Wednesday September 30 2009 45929 PM

Good afternoon Sheldon I will here provide more detailed answers to your questions as posed in the email you sent to me today Section 30A-4323 limits tank storage capacity for Class I and II No limit for Class IIIA or IIIB

You are correct The intent of 4323 is to limit the capacities only of those tanks that storeClass I and II liquids Recall that when NFPA 30A initially allowed aboveground storage tanks atvehicle fueling sites biofuels were not in the picture just gasoline (Class I) and diesel fuel (ClassII) The Technical Committee at the time did not conceive that there would be the need to storeClass III fuels because there werenrsquot any The bottom line NFPA 30A does not limit the capacityof an aboveground storage tank that holds a motor fuel that is a Class III liquid

Section 30A-4324 refers to setbacks in Table 4324 No indication that these setbacks are specific toor exclude any class of flammable or combustible so it appears that the setbacks apply to Class I -Class IIIB liquids This table appears to conflict with the previous section for Class IIIA amp IIIB liquids

This is again correct that the separation distances in Table 4324 are not specific to anyparticular Class of liquid There is no conflict however 4323 deals with tank capacities 4324 deals with separation distances for the tanks Since 4324 does not specify anyparticular liquid class(es) it applies to ALL liquid classes

Section 30A-4325 allows an increased capacity for Class II and III liquids at fleet facilities Thisappears to conflict with section 4323 for Class III liquids which didnt have a capacity limit to startwith

Here there is a conflict or at least a serious inconsistency This provision was added one or twoeditions after 4323 and it appears that biofuels are beginning to be recognized It also appearsthat the intent here was to allow a relaxation of one limit in favor of a more liberal one Theproblem is the original limit doesnrsquot exist making it arguable that the application of 4325 toClass III liquids is meaningless Given the obvious intent here for some limit on Class III liquidfuels 4323 should be amended to include Class IIIs

Section 30A-4327 addresses dispensing from an aboveground tank for Class I and II liquids based uponspecific conditions

Paragraph 4322 is a hold-over dating back to when service stations were covered in Chapter 7of the old versions of NFPA 30 This set of requirements should also be amended to include ClassIIIs

Section 30A-4328 refers to NFPA 30-2171 for spill and overfill This section only applies to class Iand II liquids

While it is true that Subsection 2171 of NFPA 30 only applies to Classes I and II I do not believeit is a conflict for NFPA 30A to also apply it to Class III as well if the Technical Committee it isappropriate to do so However the language needs to be improved or an Annex item should beadded to explain the extrapolation and the reason for it

I will add this to the next meetingrsquos agenda for the Technical Committee on Automotive and MarineService Stations As usual the following applies Please understand that this response to your inquiry is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 of NFPArsquos RegulationsGoverning Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitively determine compliance with anylaws ordinances rules or regulations To determine the adequacy or safety of any device or installationyou should consult with an appropriate professional To determine legal compliance you should refer tothe appropriate authority having jurisdiction or seek legal advice

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I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will be happy toassist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarily represent the official positionof the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it berelied upon to provide professional consultation or services cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

Fire Prevention Week is October 4 ndash 10 2009 Visit wwwfirepreventionweekorg or call 800-344-3555 for moreinformation NFPA Seminars - Apply the codes with confidenceRegister at wwwnfpalearnorg NFPA Membership keeps you up-to-dateVisit wwwnfpaorgjoin for more information Or call 800-344-3555Notice The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for theexclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential andor privileged information If you are not the intendedrecipient please notify Robert Benedetti immediately by replying to the message or by calling (617) 984-7433 Please deletethis message and any attachments from your system Thank you Considering the variables in the sections referenced above are the setbacks in Table 4324 intended toapply to Class IIIA andor Class IIIB liquids for public fueling

From Schall Sheldon - COMMERCE [mailtoSheldonSchallWisconsingov] Sent Wednesday September 30 2009 832 AMTo Benedetti BobSubject NFPA 30A-4324 inquiry - URGENT Section 30A-4323 limits tank storage capacity for Class I and II No limit for Class IIIA or IIIB trueSection 30A-4324 refers to setbacks in Table 4324 No indication that these setbacks are specific toor exclude any class of flammable or combustible so it appears that the setbacks apply to Class I -Class IIIB liquids This table appears to conflict with the previous section for Class IIIA amp IIIB liquids Also trueSection 30A-4325 allows an increased capacity for Class II and III liquids at fleet facilities Thisappears to conflict with section 4323 for Class III liquids which didnt have a capacity limit to startwith Either one or the other needs to changeSection 30A-4327 addresses dispensing from an aboveground tank for Class I and II liquids based uponspecific conditions Need to cover IIIBSection 30A-4328 refers to NFPA 30-2171 for spill and overfill This section only applies to class Iand II liquids Class IIIs need to be specifically addressed Considering the variables in the sections referenced above are the setbacks in Table 4324 intended toapply to Class IIIA andor Class IIIB liquids for public fueling

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Table 4324 -13 Distance to Vehicle

From Benedetti BobTo Bill HickmanCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Monday December 14 2009 50332 PM

Good afternoon Mr Hickman To answer your question the separation distances in Table 4324 of NFPA 30A Code for MotorFuel Dispensing Facilities and Repair Garages are intended to apply to outside abovegroundstorage tanks for fuel where such is allowed The tanks inside a service station building majorrepair garage or minor repair garage would likely be handling Class IIIB liquids (flash point gt200 degF) only in accordance with Subsection 4392 of NFPA 30A Subsection 4392 does not set any specific requirements for separation between tanks inside abuilding although it does refer back to Chapters 21 through 23 of NFPA 30 Flammable andCombustible Liquids Code Shell-to-shell spacing distances for aboveground tanks areestablished in Table 22421 Table 22421 is intended for much large tanks than one wouldfind in a repair garage or ldquolube-onlyrdquo facility For example the minimum separation for tanksstoring Class IIIB liquids is 3 feet as set forth in 224212 But again the separationdistances in Chapter 22 of NFPA 30 are intended for tank farm application not for the muchsmaller tanks found in the type of occupancy governed by NFPA 30A Also any facility meeting the requirements of NFPA 30A is considered to be in compliance withNFPA 30 Please understand that this response to your inquiry is a personal opinion and does notconstitute a Formal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 ofNFPArsquos Regulations Governing Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitivelydetermine compliance with any laws ordinances rules or regulations To determine theadequacy or safety of any device or installation you should consult with an appropriateprofessional To determine legal compliance you should refer to the appropriate authorityhaving jurisdiction or seek legal advice I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will behappy to assist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPARegulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarilyrepresent the official position of the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition thiscorrespondence is neither intended nor should it be relied upon to provide professional consultation orservices cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg If you have a reported fire in your home the risk of dyingdecreases by about 80 percent when sprinklers are present

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From Bill Hickman [mailtoBillHickmanstatecous] Sent Tuesday December 01 2009 939 AMTo Benedetti BobSubject Inquiry NFPA 30A - Storage of Liquids Inside Buildings Mr Benedetti Id appreciate your interpretation on an item regarding aboveground tanks storing lubricants (newused oil) inside abuilding at a repair garage NFPA 30A 439 does not include specific spacing requirements for tanks inside buildings Where there are multiple tanks being stored inside the building is there no minimum separation distance requirementthat must be met or do the requirements of Table 4324 apply Thank you in advance for your assistance __________________________________ Bill HickmanInspectorTechnical SpecialistCO Division of Oil amp Public Safety303-378-5090

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4393
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4393

From Benedetti BobTo Peznowski EdwardCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Thursday September 03 2009 30455 PM

Hi Ed The 1996 edition of the Flammable and Combustible Liquids Code Handbook was the last one prior to thecurrent 2008 edition The commentary hasnrsquot changed My recollection of the development of this text is that the intent of NFPA 30A Code for Motor FuelDispensing Facilities and Repair Garages is to isolate the motor fuel dispensing area and its attendanthazard completely from the rest of the structure regardless of what else might be in the structure Subsection 524 assumes that the installation involves a motor fuel dispensing operation inside abuilding where you would not expect to have same such as an office building A bus repair facility wouldbe probably classed as a major repair garage and would be expected to have fueling operations Thehazard of this is in my opinion no greater than the repair operations It could be that the language in Subsection 524 needs to be clarified so that it applies only to situationssuch as I first described Please understand that this response to your inquiry is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 of NFPArsquos RegulationsGoverning Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitively determine compliance with anylaws ordinances rules or regulations To determine the adequacy or safety of any device or installationyou should consult with an appropriate professional To determine legal compliance you should refer tothe appropriate authority having jurisdiction or seek legal advice I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will be happy toassist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarily represent the official positionof the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it berelied upon to provide professional consultation or services cc 30AIFI 30AFAQ AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

Fire Prevention Week is October 4 ndash 10 2009 Visit wwwfirepreventionweekorg or call 800-344-3555 for moreinformation NFPA Seminars - Apply the codes with confidenceRegister at wwwnfpalearnorg NFPA Membership keeps you up-to-dateVisit wwwnfpaorgjoin for more information Or call 800-344-3555Notice The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for the

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exclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential andor privileged information If you are not the intendedrecipient please notify Robert Benedetti immediately by replying to the message or by calling (617) 984-7433 Please deletethis message and any attachments from your system Thank you

From Peznowski Edward [mailtoEdwardPeznowskipostatectus] Sent Monday August 31 2009 127 PMTo Benedetti BobSubject NFPA 30A Hi Bob Sorry to bother you but I need your help and interpretation of the following section of NFPA 30A 2000edition 524 - All piping inside buildings but outside the motor fuel dispensing area shall be enclosed within ahorizontal chase or a vertical shaft used only for this piping Vertical shafts and horizontal chases shall beconstructed of materials having a fire resistance rating of not less than 2 hours Bob I have a bus repair facility being built and we have fuel dispensing area within the building enclosedwith a 2hr fire resistive separation My question is I have diesel fuel piping coming from two tanks locatedoutside of the building the piping runs outside of the dispensing area does this piping need to be enclosed Ihave the proper UL listed system for through wall penetrations My problem lies here I have natural gas heating fuel oil lines for boilers and diesel fuel line for thegenerator all running through the area outside the 2 hour rated dispensing area which are not required to beenclosed My thought is within the 2 hour fire resistive construction I have storage rooms for grease and oil a office forfuel dispensing Any fuel piping running through these areas would be enclosed but once I go outside my 2hrrated enclosure the piping would not have to be enclosed NFPA 30A (1996edition)6-42 - All fuel and flammable vapor piping inside buildings but outside the service station area shall beenclosed within a horizontal chase or a vertical shaft used only for this piping Vertical shafts and horizontalchases shall be constructed of materials having a fire resistance rating of not less than 2 hoursCOMMENTARY 6-42 The intent of this requirement is to preserve the isolation of the service stationoperation from the rest of the building I donrsquot have the 2000 handbook for commentary Thanks Bob Edward J PeznowskiFire amp Life Safety SpecialistBureau of EngineeringOffice State Fire Marshal860-685-8350

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67

From Benedetti BobTo Hamilton James P (HOY)Cc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiSubject Inquiry NFPA 30A-2008Date Monday September 14 2009 115041 AM

Good morning Mr Hamilton The intent of this particular provision of Subsection 672 of NFPA 30A Code for Motor Fuel DispensingFacilities and Repair Garages is to ensure that the patron has access to a second disconnect if he or shecannot reach the primary disconnect ie the one that is between 20 and 100 feet from the dispenser In my opinion all of the emergency disconnects required by Section 67 must be at least 20 ft but normore than 100 ft from the nearest dispenser Please understand that this response to your inquiry is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 of NFPArsquos RegulationsGoverning Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitively determine compliance with anylaws ordinances rules or regulations To determine the adequacy or safety of any device or installationyou should consult with an appropriate professional To determine legal compliance you should refer tothe appropriate authority having jurisdiction or seek legal advice I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will be happy toassist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarily represent the official positionof the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it berelied upon to provide professional consultation or services cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

Fire Prevention Week is October 4 ndash 10 2009 Visit wwwfirepreventionweekorg or call 800-344-3555 for moreinformation NFPA Seminars - Apply the codes with confidenceRegister at wwwnfpalearnorg NFPA Membership keeps you up-to-dateVisit wwwnfpaorgjoin for more information Or call 800-344-3555Notice The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for theexclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential andor privileged information If you are not the intendedrecipient please notify Robert Benedetti immediately by replying to the message or by calling (617) 984-7433 Please deletethis message and any attachments from your system Thank you

From Hamilton James P (HOY) [mailtoHAMILTONJPbechteljacobsorg] Sent Thursday September 10 2009 1224 PMTo Benedetti BobSubject NFPA 30A 2008 Edition

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Importance High

NFPA 30A 672 states at least one additional device or disconnect shall be readily accessible toeach group of dispensing devices on an individual island Our installation does not have islands Should the second emergency shutoff be installed close to the pumps or between 20 and 100 ofthe pumps

Please respond back via email hamiltonjpbechteljacobsorg

Thanks

NFPA 127130 James P Hamilton CFPSTetraTek Inc - Fire Safety TechnologiesFire Protection LeadK-27 Pre-Demo Project 790 Emory Valley Rd 811 Oak Ridge TN 37830 ETTP Office 865-241-1902

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From Benedetti BobTo Scott DavonskiCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Tuesday August 04 2009 92429 AM

Good morning Mr Davonski My opinion is that the intent of the requirement in Subsection 1141 of NFPA 30A Code for Motor FuelDispensing Facilities and Repair Garages is that any hose longer than 18 feet should not simply bestrung along the dockrsquos surface Using a reel would be one means of securing the hose although Irsquomsure other methods such as hangers would work as well Please understand that this response to your inquiry is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 of NFPArsquos RegulationsGoverning Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitively determine compliance with anylaws ordinances rules or regulations To determine the adequacy or safety of any device or installationyou should consult with an appropriate professional To determine legal compliance you should refer tothe appropriate authority having jurisdiction or seek legal advice I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will be happy toassist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarily represent the official positionof the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it berelied upon to provide professional consultation or services cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

Fire Prevention Week is October 4 ndash 10 2009 Visit wwwfirepreventionweekorg or call 800-344-3555 for moreinformation NFPA Seminars - Apply the codes with confidenceRegister at wwwnfpalearnorg NFPA Membership keeps you up-to-dateVisit wwwnfpaorgjoin for more information Or call 800-344-3555Notice The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for theexclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential andor privileged information If you are not the intendedrecipient please notify Robert Benedetti immediately by replying to the message or by calling (617) 984-7433 Please deletethis message and any attachments from your system Thank you

From Scott Davonski [mailtodavonskiRiverheadlicom] Sent Wednesday July 22 2009 1118 AMTo Benedetti BobSubject 30A clarification

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1141 All hose shall be listed Where hose length exceeds 55 m (18 ft) the hose shall besecured so as to protect it from damage Can you provide clarification as to what is meant by ldquosecured so as to protect it fromdamagerdquo Is the standard looking not to have the hoses on the dock In a reel Any clarificationinformation would be appreciated Scott W DavonskiChief Fire MarshalTown of RiverheadP- 631-727-3200 ext 209F- 631-727-3370

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ATTACHMENT No A10
Page 17: TECHNICAL COMMITTEE ON AUTOMOTIVE and MARINE … · SUBJECT: Agenda for ROC Meeting – October 4, 2010 _____ Ladies and Gentlemen: Attached is the Agenda for the NFPA 30A Report

Report on Comments ndash June 2011 NFPA 30A_______________________________________________________________________________________________30A- Log 4

_______________________________________________________________________________________________Marshall A Klein Marshall A Klein amp Associates Inc

30A-7Revise text to read as follows

331 Basement Basement For the purposes of this code a story of a building or structure having one-half or more ofits height below ground level and to which access for fire-fighting purposes is restricted [302008] Any story of a buildingwholly or partly below grade plane that is not considered the first story above grade plane (Also see 33X ldquoFirst StoryAbove Grade Planerdquo 33Y ldquoGrade Planerdquo and 33Z ldquoStoryrdquo) [5000 2009]33X First Story Above Grade Plane Any story having its finished floor surface entirely above grade plane except

that a basement shall be considered as a first story above grade plane where the finished surface of the floor above thebasement is (1) more than 6 ft (1830 mm) above grade plane or (2) more than 12 ft (3660 mm) above the finished levelat any point (See also 33Z ldquoStoryrdquo) [5000 2009]33Z Story The portion of a building located between the upper surface of a floor and the upper surface of the floor or

roof next above [5000 2009]33Y Grade Plane A reference plane representing the average of the finished ground level adjoining the building at all

exterior walls When the finished ground level slopes down from the exterior walls the grade plane is established by thelowest points within the area between the building and the lot line or when the lot line is more than 6 ft (1830 mm) fromthe building between the building and a point 6 ft (1830 mm) from the building (See also 33W ldquoFinished Ground Level(Graderdquo) [5000 2009]33W Finished Ground Level (Grade) The level of the finished ground (earth or other surface on ground) (See also33Y ldquoGrade Planerdquo) [5000 2009]

The Committeersquos substantiation for this Committee Proposal was ldquoThis definition is the preferreddefinition from the NFPA Glossary of Terms Changing the secondary definition to the preferred definition complies withthe Glossary of Terms Projectrdquo Also the Committeersquos statement said in part ldquohellipThe key issue relative to NFPA 30A issafe access to and evacuation from the basement area by emergency responders during an emergencyrdquo

Since the first edition of the NFPA 5000 Building Code the NFPA 30A Committee has attempted to be in correlationwith NFPA 5000 and the other Model Building Code in the the United States IBC The dispensing facilities and repairgarage buildings constructed under the NFPA 30A are also required to comply with the local building code which will beeither NFPA 5000 or IBC The proposed definition for ldquobasementrdquo that is taken from NFPA 30 is more suited for thelarger flammable and combustible types of facilities built under NFPA 30 not the service centersrepair garages builtunder NFPA 30A and the building codes

NFPA 30A should stay with its present position to correlate with the definition for a ldquobasementrdquo with NFPA 5000ldquoBuilding Construction and safety Coderdquo and not replace this definition with the one that is in NFPA 30 ldquoFlammable andCombustible Liquids Coderdquo

The term ldquobasementrdquo is only used in the NFPA 30A Code in Section 423 that deals with ignitable vapors in abasement or pit and Section 746 that applies when sprinklers are required to be installed in the basement of a majorrepair garage The two NFPA 30A sections on basements relate more to the application of the requirements in NFPA5000 and IBC than to the requirements in NFPA 30 ldquoFlammable and Combustible Liquids Coderdquo As I have notedabove during the development of the NFPA 5000 Building Code the NFPA 30A Committee was very careful tocorrelate its requirements with NFPA 5000 NFPA 101 amp IBC so that there would be minimum conflicts in theapplication of the requirements of NFPA 30A with these other Codes that greatly impact the design and construction ofMotor Fuel Dispensing Facilities and Repair Garages The definition of ldquobasementrdquo is critically important forbuilding design and should be correlated with the building codes used throughout the US and we should not use adifferent definition for basement that would cause confusion and cost in the design and application of the NFPA 30Arequirements where NFPA 5000 NFPA 101 or IBC Codes are also adopted

I have also included the addition of the definitions of ldquoFirst Story Above Grade Planerdquo ldquoStoryrdquo ldquoGrade Planerdquo andldquoFinished Ground Level (Grade)rdquo from NFPA 5000 to provide complete correlation on these building definitions withNFPA 5000 and the IBC For individuals using NFPA 30A that are only used to working with NFPA 30 these definitions

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Report on Comments ndash June 2011 NFPA 30Amay seem like overkill but to the great majority of code officials designers and owners of these types of dispensingfacilities and repair garages correlation of these terms with NFPA 5000 and IBC are critical to prevent major conflictsdelays and cost increases in interpretations and applications of code requirements between the building departmentsand fire departments

In summation based on the two sections in NFPA 30A that cover a ldquobasementrdquo requirement it serves the public interestbetter to use the ldquobasementrdquo definition and its related building definitions from NFPA 5000 to properly correlate with themodel buildings codes not NFPA 30

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Report on Comments ndash June 2011 NFPA 30A_______________________________________________________________________________________________30A- Log 1

_______________________________________________________________________________________________Alex Ralston Petcon Inc

NARevise text to read as follows

Means shall be provided to sound an audible alarm when the liquid level in the tank reaches 90 percent of capacityMeans shall also be provided either to automatically stop the flow of liquid into the tank when the liquid level reaches 98percent capacity or to restrict the flow of liquid into the tank to a maximum flow rate of 95L min (25 gpm) when theliquid level in the tank reaches 95 percent capacityThe federal underground storage tank rules state that means shall be provided to stop the flow of liquid into the tank

when the liquid reaches 95 percent capacity or restrict the flow into the tank when the liquid level reaches 90 percentcapacity

None given

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Report on Comments ndash June 2011 NFPA 30A_______________________________________________________________________________________________30A- Log 2

_______________________________________________________________________________________________Alex Ralston Petcon Inc

NARevise text to read as follows

On remote pressure pumping systems each pump shall have installed on the discharge side a listed leak detectiondevice that will provide an audible or visible indication if the piping and dispensing devices are not liquid tight Replace with device that will either restrict the flow of product to the dispenser or shut-off the flow of product to

indicate if the piping and dispensing devices are liquid tightThe explanation attempts to explain the federal underground storage tank regulations however the

regulation that provides for an audible or visible alarm relates to overfill prevention in federal regulations not leakdetectionThe regulations on leak detection for pressurized piping in the explanation are correct but if youll note nowhere in the

explanation is audible or visual alarms mentioned

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Report on Comments ndash June 2011 NFPA 30A_______________________________________________________________________________________________30A- Log 8

_______________________________________________________________________________________________Robert Bourke Northeastern Regional Fire Code Development Committee

30A-42Revise to read 623 Fuel-dispensing systems including dispensers hoses nozzleshelliphelliphellip

blended motor fuels shall be listed or approved for the specific purposeThis requirement should only be stating that the equipment is listed for the specific purpose

ldquoApprovedrdquo by definition means ldquoacceptable to the AHJrdquoToo often a Standard may misuse the word ldquoapprovedrdquo in order to not exclude other listing organizations that publish

its list in a document that they refer to as an ldquoApproval Guiderdquo Regardless the document is still a listing

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Report on Comments ndash June 2011 NFPA 30A_______________________________________________________________________________________________30A- Log 3

_______________________________________________________________________________________________David B Wechsler The Dow Chemical Company

30A-34Revise and add new sentences shown under 831 and A831 and modify Table 831 as

indicated831 Table 831 shall be used to delineate and classify areas for the purposes of installing electrical wiring and

electrical utilization equipment (See also Figure 831) WARNING The US National Electrical Code has differentequipment and installation requirements from other International Standards Therefore for example equipment used inEurope may not be acceptable for installation in the USA831 The designation and decision installation and use of electrical equipment for Classes and Divisions in

hazardous (classified) locations are defined Article 500 501 and 504 of NFPA 70 National Electrical Code Thedesignation and design installation and use of electrical equipment for Classes and Zones in hazardous (classified)locations are defined in Article 505 and 504 of NFPA 70 National Electrical Code The designation and designinstallation and use of electrical equipment in lsquoZonesrsquo Zone 0 Zone 1 and Zone 2 are addressed in other internationalstandardsWithin Table 831 add a new column titled ldquoZones and copy the information from the Class I Zone column into this

new columnAlternatively to all of the above remove the ldquoZonesrdquo column completely from Table 831

While the stated intent of this proposal is understood as being to try and deal with the internationalnature of applying NFPA 30A there are problems with the approach presented by a simple extraction from the NECFirst as presented the new column only addresses the US Zone methodology The US Zone methodology for

flammable vapor gases liquids and combustible vapors and liquids is identified by the terms lsquoClass I Zone 0rsquo lsquoClass IZone 1rsquo and lsquoClass I Zone 2rsquo However under the IEC or ATEX (aka Europe International) the terms are simply lsquoZone0rsquo lsquoZone 1rsquo or lsquoZone 2rsquo Therefore the table revision is not correct for international useSecond this TIA and proposal was to lsquoincorporate the (European) Zone System of designating hazardous (classified)

locations and the allowable wiring methods and electrical utilization devices that can be used in themrsquo However the USNEC is not an international code Thus while the US NEC Article 505 does permit the use of the Class I Zonemethodology adding this column in NFPA 30A does not address the more complex nature of the design and installationproblems associated with Zone certified equipment in the US The NEC under Article 5059 Equipment provides for theuse of only AEx equipment as may be seen for example under paragraph ldquo(2) Zone Equipment Equipment meeting oneor more of the protection techniques described in 5058 shall be marked with all of the following in the order shown(1) Class(2) Zone(3) Symbol ldquoAExrdquo(4) Protection technique(s) in accordance with Table 5059(C)(2)(4)(5) Applicable gas classification group(s) in accordance with Table 9(C)(1)(2)Without adding additional text usersinspectors etc may think using Zones is just like using the Division methodology

This is not true and equipment not otherwise permitted under the US NEC may be installed because of the impliedactions currently reflected in this proposal This is a significant issue

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Report on Comments ndash June 2011 NFPA 30A_______________________________________________________________________________________________30A- Log 9

_______________________________________________________________________________________________Donald R Offerdahl North Dakota State Electrical Board

30A-36Insert figure for 831(B)

Insert Artwork Figure 831(A) and 831(B) Here

Proposal 30A-36 should have been accepted in principal these types of storage tanks and dispensersare widely used in farms construction sites and business fleet operations

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Report on Comments ndash June 2011 NFPA 30A_______________________________________________________________________________________________30A- Log 5

_______________________________________________________________________________________________Mindy Wang Ampco Safety Tools

30A-39Not proposing new text Please see comment in Substantiation

Although procedures for cleanup of spills is not within the scope of NFPA 30A we feel compelled toaddress API 2214 referenced by the Committee Information presented below shows API 2214 is misleading andundermines safe work practices In fact API 2214 conflicts with OSHA regulations Accredited Standards Developerrsquosstandards and safe work practices FM Approvals LLC formerly Factory Mutual Research Corporation (FM) is an international organization recognized

by the US government as a Nationally Recognized Testing Laboratory (NRTL) for scientific research and productcertification Product approval from a NRTL assures that products meet consensus-based standards of safety to providethe assurance required by OSHA that these products are safe for use in the United States workplace FM ApprovalStandard 7910 Spark Resistant Tools is used as guidance to evaluate tools intended for use in environments wherethere is a risk of ignition of flammable materials dusts or vapors resulting from sparks created by iron and steel handtools These tools prevent the ignition of flammable materials dusts or vapors by mechanical sparks created by the useof iron and steel hand tools slipping or striking a surface American Petroleum Institute (API) Publication 2214contradicts NRTL research and product certification as evidence in FM Approvals granted for spark resistance toolsFM has conducted tests of Ampco Safety Tools as covered in Report Job Identification No IN4A0AF in accordancewith the requirements of Safety Tools Approval Test Procedure Class 7910 and test results show

Sparks created from steel plates ignited carbon disulfide saturated pads eight of eight tests ethyl ether pads fiveof eight tests and naphtha VMampP four of eight tests

No sparks were observed and no ignition of the flammable liquids mentioned above from approved Ampco SafetyTools Other investigations also contradict APIrsquos conclusion on non-sparking tools A paper published in the Fire Protection

Journal ldquoThe Danger of Incendive Sparksrdquo stated that after APIrsquos conclusion on ldquonon-sparkingrdquo tools Institute ofPetroleum sought the advice of the Fire Research Board Committee on Industrial Fires and Explosion This committeecame to certain conclusions one of which was ldquoUntilhellipevidence is obtained to show that the impact of steel hand toolson steel is safe it is advisable to use non-sparking tools in situations where flammable atmospheres are unavoidablerdquo The NFPA Fire Protection Handbook 20th edition published in January 2008 does not support the conclusion that

API 2214 represents In fact many NFPA codes the use of ldquonon-sparkingrdquo tools in flammable atmospheresAccording to NFPA Fire Protection Handbook ldquoWhen flammable and combustible liquids are stored or handled theliquid is usually exposed to the air at some stage in the operation except where the storage is confined to sealedcontainers that are not filled or opened on the premises or where handling is in closed systems and vapor losses arerecovered Even when the storage or handling is in a closed system there is always the possibility of breaks or leakswhich permit the liquid to escape It is a to eliminate sources of ignition in places where low flashpointflammable liquids are stored handled or used even though no vapor may ordinarily be presentrdquo NFPA 921 Guide for Fire and Explosion Investigations 2008 Edition Chapter 5 Basic Fire Science Table 5711

Reported Burning and Sparking Temperature of Selected Ignition Sources under Mechanical Sparks lists a Steel tooltemperature at 2550degF When working with flammable gases liquids or vapors a potential hazard arises because of thepossibility that sparks produced by steel or iron tools can become an ignition source OSHA Flammable and Combustible Liquids regulation 29 CFR Parts 1910106(b) on tank storage paragraph

1910106(b)(6) states that precaution shall be taken to eliminate or control sources of ignitions including frictional heatand mechanical sparks to prevent the ignition of flammable vapors In OSHA regulation 29 CFR 1910146 Permit-Required Confined Spaces Appendix D Confined Space Pre-Entry

Check List non-sparking tool is listed as one type of entry equipment OSHA 29 CFR 1910146 StandardInterpretations Interpretative guidance and equipment approved for hazardous locations relative to the Permit-RequiredConfined Spaces states that ldquohellipthe standard does not prohibit entry into a permit space where a hazardous flammableatmosphere is at or above the 10 LFL For concentrations at or above 10 LFL paragraph (d) would theemployer to incorporate safe work procedures to address the flammableexplosive hazard (such as equipment approvedfor hazardous locations) in the entry plan for those spaces Electrical equipment as well as other sources of ignition(non-sparking hand tools) be considered and addressed for the hazardous atmosphererdquo OSHA regulation 29 CFR Parts 1910120 Hazardous waste operations and emergency response paragraph

1910120(j)(2)(v) requires that ldquoWhen there is a reasonable possibility of flammable atmospheres being present

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Report on Comments ndash June 2011 NFPA 30Amaterial handling equipment and hand tools shall be of the type to prevent sources of ignition EPA has identifiedsolvents such as xylene acetone ethyl acetate ethyl benzene and ethyl ether commonly used in all industries (theF-list) and discarded commercial chemical products such as acetone benzene ethyl ether and xylene (the P-list andU-list) as ignitable hazardous wastes API members such as ExxonMobil and Chevron as well as others in the petroleum industry such as Valero CITGO

Petroleum Corporation Chem-Supply Pty Ltd Irving Oil Ltd Petrol Star Inc Nova Chemicals and El Paso Corporationregularly the use of ldquonon-sparkingrdquo tools under Accidental Release Measures and Handling and Storage sectionsin the MSDSrsquos for their petroleum products These companies clearly recognize the need for ldquonon-sparkingrdquo tools inworking with and around flammable materials API 2214 Section 12 Background ldquohellipthese engineers pointed out that although numerous opportunities existed for

the production of sparks from violent contact of steel objects with other steel objects there was a negligible record offires resulting from such a causerdquo On the contrary there are a number of documented incidents involving flammablevapors ignited by steel sparks from tools A few examples are as follows

OSHA inspection 300965795 an employee in the process of cleaning loose material from drill piping with ametal hammer While striking the pipe with a hammer an explosion occurred Employee was killed in the explosion onsite

OSHA inspection 2272953 two employees were assigned the job of tending a 100 gallon (water jacket) reactorkettle of methyl methacrylate in the mixing room Employee 1 used a metal wrench (visegrips) to pry open the cover ofa kettle The wrench handle struck the angle iron support for the agitator motor producing a spark Employee 2noticed the spark which was immediately followed by a massive ldquofire ballrdquo Both employees were engulfed in thefireball Employee 3 came to the area to assist the other employees The investigation states that non-sparking toolswere not provided for the employees All three employees received first and second degree burns on their face armsand abdomen Employee 2 also received some third degree burns All three employees were hospitalized

OSHA inspection 124728437 Employee 1 and a coworker both maintenance mechanics were working in a 30inch by 36 inch manhole at a gas station Employee 1 was trying to change a fuel pump while the coworker watchedfrom outside the manhole Employee 1 was using an Allen wrench to loosen the bolts on the fuel pump lead when hecreated a spark that ignited the gas fumes in the manhole causing an explosion Employee 1 suffered burns to hisface hands arms and legs in the explosion and was hospitalized

OSHA inspection 111109237 Employee 1 or 3 attempted to cut a metal pipe with a metal saw whileEmployee 2 was standing on top of one of two 5000 gallon gas tanks trying to remove a tank fitting Sparks from thesaw the pipe wrench or another unknown source ignited the gas vapors which exploded Employees 1 and 3 werekilled of burns at the scene Employee 2 died at the burn center as a result of burns sustained in the explosion

OSHA inspection 102826625 Employee 1 worked for a company that cleans paints and replaces valves in LPand MAPP gas cylinders Before removing an old valve Employee 1 would open the valve to let the residual gas leakout on the loading dock Where there was a large quantity of cylinders Employee 1 would invert the cylinder so theresidual gas could vent faster Employee 1 had an accumulation of a gas and air mixture around his work area Thevapors were ignited either by a spark from the metal screwdriver he was using to open a damaged valve or by an openflame burner approximately 40 feet away There was a fire and explosion The employee sustained 2nd and 3rd degreeburns on the lower half of his body and was hospitalized

OSHA inspection 607366 an employee was sawing an airplane wing into sections with a portable powered handsaw the saw created a spark that caused an explosion of gasoline vapors in the wing fuel tank Employee 1 killed andEmployee 2 injured in explosion and was hospitalized

OSHA inspection 309178523 employer was cited for violating Section 5(a)(1) of the Occupational Safety andHealth Act of 1970 often referred to as the General Duty Clause which requires employers to furnish to each of hisemployees employment and a place of employment which are free from recognized hazards that are causing or arelikely to cause death or serious physical harm to his employees for exposing employee to an explosion hazard byopening the hydrogen tube trailer main valve without using non-sparking tools

OSHA inspection 304994304 employer was cited for violating Section 5(a)(1) of the Occupational Safety andHealth Act of 1970 violation for exposing employee to a fireexplosion hazard while performing maintenance operationson LP gas tanks with ferrous tools One feasible and acceptable abatement method to correct this hazard is toimplement the use of non- sparking toolsThe Report of the BP US Refineries independent Safety Review Panel also known as the Baker Panel Report states

that ldquoPreventing process accidents requires vigilance The passing of time without a process accident is not necessarilyan indicator that all is well and may contribute to a dangerous and growing sense of complacencyrdquo This sample ofOSHA documented events illustrates accidents do happen when proper safety measures are not taken againstmechanical sparks from steel tools as a possible ignition sourceHaving said that we appreciate the Committeersquos time and agree with the Committee that procedures for cleanup of

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Report on Comments ndash June 2011 NFPA 30Aspills is not within the scope of NFPA 30A

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Report on Comments ndash June 2011 NFPA 30A_______________________________________________________________________________________________30A- Log 7

_______________________________________________________________________________________________Robert Bourke Northeastern Regional Fire Code Development Committee

30A-19Add a new section to read 11721 Where approved by the Authority Having Jurisdiction piers

that extend more than 152 m (500 ft) in travel distance from shore shall be permitted to provide a Class I standpipe thatis installed in accordance with NFPA 14 Standard for the Installation of Standpipe and Hose Systems

The TC missed the point in the substantiation of the proposalIt was not the intent of the proposal to obtain additional flexibility of FD use over that which is provided by a Class III

standpipe system The intent of the proposal was to provide relief from the requirement where the local AHJ feels thatthe effectiveness and likelihood of occupant use of fire hoses does not justify the added risk to the occupant or theinstallation and maintenance costs associated with the requisite hose for a Class III system A Class I system would stillprovide FD fire fighting capabilities in jurisdictions where the AHJ prefers occupants to evacuate and not attempt to fightfires beyond portable fire extinguisher capability

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From Benedetti BobTo bcotnerswriorgCc Harrington Greg Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiBcc May PaulSubject Inquiry NFPA 30 amp NFPA 30ADate Thursday July 08 2010 121900 PM

Good Morning Mr Cotner Greg Harrington asked that I respond to your question about the proper use ofintermediate bulk containers Actually an intermediate bulk container is a shipping vessel that must meetrequirements and specifications of the U S Department of Transportation for shippingmaterials from Point A to Point B It is not intended to be a storage vessel althoughthe liquid contained is obviously dispensed from the vessel for use Dispensing of motor fuels is covered by NFPA 30A Code for Motor Fuel DispensingFacilities and Repair Garages NFPA 30A states in Subsection 421 421 Liquids shall be stored in the following(1) Approved closed containers that do not exceed 227 L (60 gal) capacity and arelocated outside buildings(2) Tanks or approved closed containers located inside motor fuel dispensingfacilities or repair garages(3) Aboveground tanks underground tanks and containers in accordance with therequirements of Section 43(4) Tanks supplying marine service stations in accordance with Section 112 Section 43 states the following 432 Aboveground Storage Tanks Except as modified by the provisions of thissubsection aboveground storage tanks shall meet all applicable requirements ofChapters 21 through 23 and 27 of NFPA 30 Flammable and Combustible Liquids Code So in accordance with NFPA 30A Subsection 421(3) indicates that abovegroundstorage of motor fuel must be in a tank that meets the provisions of Section 43 Thelatter in turn references the Chapters in NFPA 30 that deal with fixed storage tanks Nowhere in these chapters is there any reference to an intermediate bulk container Chapter 9 of NFPA 30 does recognize an intermediate bulk container for warehouse-type storage of Class I flammable liquids but does not anticipate continual dispensingand use One could evaluate an intermediate bulk container as a means of long-term storageand dispensing of liquids under the Equivalency clause My opinion is that an intermediate bulk container is not considered a substitute for anaboveground storage tank but this is not specifically stated in the relevant codes This issue will be added to the agendas for the Technical Committees involved Please understand that this response is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 ofNFPArsquos Regulations Governing Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon todefinitively determine compliance with any laws ordinances rules or regulations Todetermine legal compliance you should refer to the appropriate authority havingjurisdiction or seek legal advice It is not intended nor should it be relied upon toprovide professional consultation or services To determine the adequacy or safety ofany device or installation you should consult with an appropriate professional

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I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write Iwill be happy to assist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant toNFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does notnecessarily represent the official position of the NFPA or its Technical Committees Inaddition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it be relied upon to provideprofessional consultation or services cc 30IFI 30AIFI AUVNM FLCSWCNM FLCTANNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

If you have a reported fire in your home the risk of dyingdecreases by about 80 percent when sprinklers are present

wwwfiresprinklerinitiativeorgNotice The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intendedfor the exclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential andor privileged information If you arenot the intended recipient please notify Robert Benedetti immediately by replying to the message or by calling(617) 984-7433 Please delete this message and any attachments from your system Thank you

From Harrington Greg Sent Wednesday July 07 2010 350 PMTo Benedetti BobSubject FW Intermediate Bulk Containers Hi Bob Can you answer the question below Hersquos a friend of mine former inspector with San Antonio FD when Iworked down there now a safety guy at SWRI Thanks a lot --Greg

From Bill Cotner [mailtobcotnerswriorg] Sent Wednesday July 07 2010 332 PMTo Harrington GregSubject Intermediate Bulk Containers Hey Greg howrsquos the heat in Boston here it is a balmy 93 enjoying it I have a question probably out ofyour area but Irsquom sure you know who to route it to We have a group here that wants to dispense fuelfrom a stainless steel IBC into test engines I donrsquot think that is the intended use or what it has beenlisted for Can I get some guidance on this issue I appreciate anything you can do for me Bill Bill CotnerSenior Fire SpecialistEnvironmental Safety and Quality SystemsSouthwest Research InstitutePhone (210) 522-5101Fax (210) 522-5093Mobile (210) 669-7005Email bcotner swriorg

From Benedetti BobTo Ebanks DesmondCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiBcc May PaulSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Monday June 14 2010 35400 PM

Good afternoon Mr Ebanks The intent of Subsection 422 of NFPA 30A Code for Motor Fuel Dispensing Facilities and RepairGarages is that there be no direct piped connection between the aboveground storage tank inthe bulk plant and the fuel dispensing device in the motor fuel dispensing facility In my opinionthis includes any intervening underground storage tank The hazard being addressed is the potential to overfill the underground storage tank due to thestatic head of the liquid in the aboveground storage tank Please understand that this response is a personal opinion and does not constitute a FormalInterpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 of NFPArsquos RegulationsGoverning Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitively determine compliancewith any laws ordinances rules or regulations To determine legal compliance you shouldrefer to the appropriate authority having jurisdiction or seek legal advice It is not intended norshould it be relied upon to provide professional consultation or services To determine theadequacy or safety of any device or installation you should consult with an appropriateprofessional I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will behappy to assist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPARegulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarilyrepresent the official position of the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition thiscorrespondence is neither intended nor should it be relied upon to provide professional consultation orservices cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg Attend the premier event for fire life safety and electrical professionals

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From Ebanks Desmond [mailtoDesmondEbanksgovky] Sent Monday May 24 2010 940 AMTo Benedetti BobSubject bulk storage supply to motor fuel facilities Hi Bob NFPA 30A (2003) 422 gives to positions in relation to motor fuel dispensing facilities (mfdf) that I would like to havefurther clarified for Code intent please The first is that dispensing devices at the mfdf shall not be supplied by ASTs located in the bulk plant Does this implythat supply from a UST (underground storage tank) in the bulk storage facility would be acceptable or to the other extentthat even if the bulk AST supplied a loading rack which in turn supplied a UST both in the bulk facility that supplyfrom the bulk AST is still not permitted The second statement refers to any storage tank at the mfdf saying they shall not be connected by piping to bulkfacility ASTs Similarly does this imply that a UST (underground storage tank) in the bulk storage facility would beacceptable or that if the bulk tank was connected to a loading rack and the loading rack connected by non-permanentmeans to an mfdf tank that this would be permissible RegardsDes EbanksAssistant Petroleum InspectorThe Petroleum InspectorateCayman Islands GovernmentAnderson Square 4th floorPO Box 31213Grand CaymanKY1-1205Cayman IslandsOffice 345 244 3458Mobile 345 925 3317Fax 345 949 0920Email desmondebanksgovky

From Benedetti BobTo Shriniwas BodhankarCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiBcc May PaulSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Monday June 14 2010 50100 PM

Good day Sir There has been no discussion by the Technical Committee on Automotive and Marine ServiceStations to alter the separation distances in Table 4324 of NFPA 30A Code for Motor FuelDispensing Facilities and Repair Garages as they pertain to liquid fuels including high flashpoint diesel fuels Also there have been no proposals to make such a change to NFPA 30A I trust this answers your question R P Benedetti cc -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

Attend the premier event for fire life safety and electrical professionals

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From Shriniwas Bodhankar [mailtobodhankarenoccom] Sent Tuesday June 01 2010 536 AMTo Maynard Mary Benedetti BobSubject NFPA 30 A Dear sir Reference is made to table no 4324 of NFPA code 30A specifying the minimum distance between storagetanks and dispensing equipment A dispenser should be placed minimum 50 feet away from a bunded abovegroundsteel tank to meet this requirementIn our opinion this is too stringent and uncalled for in case of high flash diesel ( Flash point above 65 degreecentigrade) A bunded tank where spill can be contained within bund is as safe as a vaulted tankfire resistanttankprotected tank Therefore it is equally safe to install an approved dispensing device immediately outside thebund provided the vent of the tank is 4 meters above the grade level on which the dispensing device is installedVarious international oil companies like SHELL amp BP carry similar installations for their fleet customers of dieselMoreover there are standard skids being marketed in EUROPE (even for gasoline) which have storage tanks and

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dispensers on same skid and such an arrangement is accepted by ldquoAuthority Having Jurisdictionrdquo(AHJ)Kindly advise if this standard requirement is being reviewed or otherwise if based on performance based designsuch a requirement may be waived or considered as ldquo highly recommendedrdquo in the leastBased on your feedback we wish to discuss this with AHJ in UAE Regards Regards Shriniwas BodhankarSenior EHS Compliance Officer( Special Projects)Group EHSQ Compliance DepartmentEmirates National Oil Company Limited (ENOC) LLC ENOC House I PO Box 6442Dubai United Arab EmiratesDirect +971 4 313 4437Fax +971 4 313 4482bodhankarenoccom | wwwenoccom

This message together with any attachments contains confidential information and is intended only for the use of theaddressee(s) and may contain information which is covered by legal professional or other privilege If you are not theintended recipient please inform the sender immediately and delete this e-mail You should not copy this e-mail or use itfor any purpose nor disclose its contents to any other person ENOC does not warrant that this transmission is virus freeand will not be liable for any damages resulting from any virus ENOC Dubai UAE

From Benedetti BobTo EActonccfireusCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiBcc May PaulSubject Inquiry NFPA 30A amp NFPA 30Date Monday August 02 2010 44400 PMAttachments DSC06169JPG

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Good day Mr Acton Fire protection provisions for major and minor repair garages and ldquolube-onlyrdquofacilities which is the topic of your concern are provided in NFPA 30A Code for MotorFuel Dispensing Facilities and Repair Garages currently 2008 edition Chapter 5 ofNFPA 30A covers piping systems but its specific provisions focus on piping systemsbetween fuel storage tanks and fuel dispensers Chapter 5 also directly referencesChapter 27 of the 2008 edition of NFPA 30 Flammable and Combustible Liquids Code(successor to Chapter 5 of the 2003 edition) Subsection 527 of NFPA 30A allows piping made from low-melting point materials tobe installed in exposed areas but only in specific locations These are limited tocontainment sumps under dispensers containment sumps for underground fuelstorage tanks and sumps for below-grade piping connections Chapter 5 of NFPA 30Ais silent on piping inside buildings Therefore the user is left with the provisions ofChapter 27 of NFPA 30 NFPA 30 in turn does allow piping fabricated of low melting point materials to beused exposed outdoors or inside buildings with the following provisions ldquo27441 Such materials shall be permitted to be used outdoors above ground orinside buildings provided they meet one of the following conditions (1) They are resistant to damage by fire(2) They are located so that any leakage resulting from failure will not exposepersons important buildings or structures(3) They are located where leakage can be controlled by operation of one or moreaccessible remotely located valvesrdquo Regardless of the material of construction of the piping and components the followinggeneral requirement from Chapter 27 of NFPA 30 always applies ldquo273 General Requirements2731 Performance Standards The design fabrication assembly test and inspectionof piping systems shall be suitable for the working pressures and structural stresses tobe encountered by the piping system Compliance with applicable sections of ASMEB31 Code for Pressure Piping and the provisions of this chapter shall be consideredprima facie evidence of compliance with the foregoing provisions2732 Tightness of Piping Piping systems shall be maintained liquidtight A pipingsystem that has leaks that constitute a hazard shall be emptied of liquid or repaired ina manner acceptable to the authority having jurisdictionrdquo Your interpretation of Subsection 511 of the 2003 edition of NFPA 30 (2711 in the2008 edition) is correct the chapter applies to any piping system that handles aflammable or combustible liquid regardless of pressure Likewise you are correct thatthe piping system must meet the provisions of ASME B31 for the material chosen andthe anticipated operating pressures and temperatures (531 in the 2003 edition 2741 in the 2008 edition) However low melting point materials (aluminum copperbrass and polymeric materials) are allowed under the provisions of Subsection 534(2003 edition) and 2744 (2008 edition) What must be determined is does thepiping system comply with one of the conditions stated in 27441 as stated above

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Please understand that this response is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 ofNFPArsquos Regulations Governing Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon todefinitively determine compliance with any laws ordinances rules or regulations Todetermine legal compliance you should refer to the appropriate authority havingjurisdiction or seek legal advice It is not intended nor should it be relied upon toprovide professional consultation or services To determine the adequacy or safety ofany device or installation you should consult with an appropriate professional I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write Iwill be happy to assist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant toNFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does notnecessarily represent the official position of the NFPA or its Technical Committees Inaddition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it be relied upon to provideprofessional consultation or services cc 30IFI 30AIFI AUVNM FLCTANNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

If you have a reported fire in your home the risk of dyingdecreases by about 80 percent when sprinklers are present

wwwfiresprinklerinitiativeorgNotice The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intendedfor the exclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential andor privileged information If you arenot the intended recipient please notify Robert Benedetti immediately by replying to the message or by calling(617) 984-7433 Please delete this message and any attachments from your system Thank you

From Eric Acton [mailtoEActonccfireus] Sent Monday July 19 2010 636 PMTo Benedetti BobSubject InterpretationOpinion request

Good day My name is Eric Acton I am the Fire Marshal for Campbell CountyWyoming and Irsquom employed by Campbell County Fire Department My NFPA

membership number is 2755369 My mailing and email addresses are listed below I am in need of a technical opinion regarding 2003 NFPA 30 Chapter 5 or morecurrently 2008 NFPA 30A Chapter 5 Some brief project backgroundAn owner within my jurisdiction has built a commercial lube-oil center to servicecustomersrsquo vehicles A ldquopitrdquo exists below the service bay to allow workers to drainthe oil from the vehicle then workers on the main floor refill the oil by use ofpressurized nozzles Several motor oil storage tanks are located in the pitaccounting for several brands and viscosities of oil The tanks are designed to befilled by use of a piping system which extends from an exterior connection vault toeach of the storage tanks using gravity to move the product in the fill-pipingsystem The material the owner chose to construct the fill-piping system wasldquostandardrdquo 1-12rdquo Schedule 40 PVC and Parker Series 7094 Electrically Non-Conductive rubber hose The piping system is exposed it is not underground nor isit protected from flame by means of a fire-rated chase Having identified the use of combustible liquids in this occupancy I utilized 2006International Fire Code (as adopted by my jurisdiction) Chapter 34 Flammable andCombustible Liquids to review and inspect the project IFC Section 340362referred me to NFPA 30 Chapter 5 for the construction materials to use where Iinterpreted (2003 version) 30511 to mean that the piping system components (pipetubing flanges bolting gaskets valves fittingshellip) must meet the requirementsregardless of pressure And that the following components specified in theparagraph must meet the requirements ONLY if they contained pressure ndashhelliprdquoexpansion joints and strainers and devices such thathelliprdquo I further interpreted(2003 version) 30531 Material Specifications similarly in that the ldquoPipe valvesfaucets couplingshelliprdquo must meet the requirements regardless of pressure while ldquohellipother pressure-containing partshelliprdquo meant ONLY the other parts that containedpressure Verbatim to 30511 is encountered in 2008 NFPA 30A Chapter 5paragraph 51 Scope The owner states his piping complies with the standard cited because it is gravity-fed hence no ldquopressurerdquo is seen by the piping components I maintain that thepiping system shall consist of metal pipe (or another material meeting therequirements of ASME B31 as allowed by 2003 NFPA 30531) to comply with NFPA30 and IFC Some assistance to resolve this problem is greatly appreciated I have attachedsome photographs for clarification Thanks for your attentionEric

Eric ActonFire MarshalCampbell County Fire Department 106 Rohan Avenue Gillette WY 82716 (307) 682-5319 ext 8912(307) 686-2222 Fax(307) 680-9612 Cell

eactonccfireus (No trees were harmed in the production of this e-mail however a huge number of electrons were horribly inconvenienced)

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From Benedetti BobTo Howard Jim (Woodbridge)Cc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiBcc May PaulSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Monday June 28 2010 115100 AM

Good morning Mr Howard First I appreciate your patience with me while I reviewed the information sent to meby yourself and Mr Luby of Veeder-Root I wanted to ensure that I thoroughlyunderstood how the system functions in its line leak detection mode My understanding of the arrangement of the piping system from the pair ofunderground storage tanks is that the electronic line leak detector the PLLD tests thesupply piping from the two submersible pumps to the dispensers as a single system This includes the direct piping run from the master pump to the dispensers AND thepiping that connects the slave pump to the direct piping run The intent of Subsection 642 of the 2008 edition of NFPA 30A Code for Motor FuelDispensing Facilities and Repair Garages is to ensure that some type of leak detectiondevice monitors the piping from the submersible pump to the dispensers in such amanner that a leak in the piping leading to the dispensers or in the dispensersthemselves is detected and notification of a leak given Since the two pumps act intandem and since the entire piping system from the pumps to the dispensers ismonitored my personal opinion is that the intent of Subsection 642 is met andevaluation of the system described as being equivalent to what is required bySubsection 642 is reasonable Whether the system described meets the criteria of Section 15 Equivalency of NFPA30A must be determined by the authority having jurisdiction As NFPA Staff Liaison forNFPA 30A I cannot make such a determination under NFPArsquos Regulations GoverningCommittee Projects Please understand that this response is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 ofNFPArsquos Regulations Governing Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon todefinitively determine compliance with any laws ordinances rules or regulations Todetermine legal compliance you should refer to the appropriate authority havingjurisdiction or seek legal advice It is not intended nor should it be relied upon toprovide professional consultation or services To determine the adequacy or safety ofany device or installation you should consult with an appropriate professional I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write Iwill be happy to assist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant toNFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does notnecessarily represent the official position of the NFPA or its Technical Committees Inaddition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it be relied upon to provideprofessional consultation or services cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids Engineer

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National Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

If you have a reported fire in your home the risk of dyingdecreases by about 80 percent when sprinklers are present

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From Howard Jim (Woodbridge) [mailtoJHowardhesscom] Sent Monday June 14 2010 1144 AMTo Benedetti BobCc Howard Jim (Woodbridge) Bob Luby Subject Importance High Bob It was a pleasure talking to you this morning regarding the Line Leak Detection applicationin place at Hess Station 08501 - Milltown DE (drawing attached) as well as several thousandlocations worldwide Here is some background information on this installation

Site had 3 - 10000 gallon gasoline tanks 1 - 10000 Regular (87) 1 - 10000 Plus (89) 1 - 10000 Premium (93) prior to our Dispenser Replacement Project Because of theoverwhelming demand for Regular gasoline (887 in 2009) we converted the existingPlus tank to additional Regular storageDispensers were replaced with new Blend Dispensers Tanks were not manifoldedRegular and former-Plus product lines were manifolded at each dispenserWe installed Veeder-Root PLLDs (Electronic Line Leak Detectors) on the Regular 1and Premium STPs We installed a non-vented Swift Check on Regular 2 (formerPlus) STP Because the PLLD is vented we MUST install a non-vented swift check onRegular STP 2 in order to test the system as a wholeWe have demonstrated via post-construction testing that the system will pick up a 3gph leak

The State of DE has questioned our compliance with NFPA 30A 642 Each pump shallhave installed on the discharge side a listed leak detection device that will provide an audibleor visible indication if the piping or a dispenser is leaking Each leak-detecting device shallbe checked and tested at least annually according to the manufacturers specifications toensure proper installation and operation

Can you comment on whether the system shown on the attached and described above and onour call meets the NFPA requirement or if it meets the definition of Equivalency as definedin Chapter 15 - Equivalency Thank you in advance for your consideration in this matter Please do not hesitate to contactme if there are any questions or concerns on this application ThanksJim Howard RFMPManager Maintenance amp UST ComplianceHess Corporation732-750-6220 (office)800-903-4801 (Emergency Hotline)E-mail UST Inspections to USTCompliancehesscomFax UST Inspections to 866-435-6744

This e-mail and any attachments are for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may containinformation that is confidential If you are not the intended recipient(s) and have received this e-mail in error please immediately notify the sender by return e-mail and delete this e-mail fromyour computer Any distribution disclosure or the taking of any other action by anyone other thanthe intended recipient(s) is strictly prohibited

From Benedetti BobTo Gary KostalCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiBcc May PaulSubject Inquiry NFPA 30 NFPA 30ADate Tuesday August 10 2010 43200 PM

Good afternoon Mr Kostal There are no provisions in NFPA 30 Flammable and Combustible Liquids Code togovern dispensing of motor fuels into motorized equipment and the devices youdescribe are not mentioned at all in NFPA 30 or in the only other related NFPAdocument that might apply NFPA 30A Code for Motor Fuel Dispensing Facilities andRepair Garages I cannot say that these units are either allowed or disallowed because neither NFPA30 nor NFPA 30A speaks about them The only provisions that might apply are the quantity limitations established in thesetwo codes depending on which code applies If the maintenance building is considered an industrial occupancy then Chapter 9 ofNFPA 30 establishes a maximum allowable quantity for of 120 gallons for Class Iliquids (The maximum allowable quantity is actually a threshold value Up to theMAQ compliance with NFPA 30 is not required above it NFPA 30 applies) If the maintenance building is considered a repair garage then NFPA 30A takesprecedence It also sets a 120 gallon limit on the maximum quantity of Class I liquid In both cases the quantity of fuel involved is 50 percent of the maximum allowed Myopinion is that there is no violation of either NFPA 30 or NFPA 30A Please understand that this response is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 ofNFPArsquos Regulations Governing Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon todefinitively determine compliance with any laws ordinances rules or regulations Todetermine legal compliance you should refer to the appropriate authority havingjurisdiction or seek legal advice It is not intended nor should it be relied upon toprovide professional consultation or services To determine the adequacy or safety ofany device or installation you should consult with an appropriate professional I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write Iwill be happy to assist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant toNFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does notnecessarily represent the official position of the NFPA or its Technical Committees Inaddition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it be relied upon to provideprofessional consultation or services cc 30IFI 30AIFI-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch Park

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Quincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg Important Notice This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPA RegulationsAny opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarily represent the officialposition of the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition this correspondence is neither intended norshould it be relied upon to provide professional consultation or services

Visit wwwfirepreventionweekorg or call 800-344-3555 for more information Check out FPW on social mediahellipwwwtwittercomfpw2010wwwfacebookcomfirepreventionweekhttpnfpatypepadcomfpw Check out NFPA onhellip

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From Gary Kostal [mailtogarykbloomingdalefirecom] Sent Monday August 09 2010 328 PMTo Benedetti BobSubject Looking for assistance - portable gas caddies Membership 2329840 Gary KostalFire Prevention DirectorBloomingdale Fire District Question (Non-formal opinion) I have a country club where they service a very large number of lawn maintenance equipment on a dailybasis They are utilizing a portable gas container (gas caddy) that holds approximately 30 gallons ofgasoline The unit is equipped with a hand style pump which is located on the top of the tank Fuel isdispensed from this tank as you crank the pump There are no nozzles located on the hose These gascaddies are being used inside their maintenance building which is fully fire sprinkled They are presentlyusing two of these devices inside the same building which is basically one days use

My question is are these devices allowed for this type of dispensing Are they required to be equippedwith a self closing nozzle What NFPA sections would apply to this particular type of device Thank you for your assistance in this matter

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From Benedetti BobTo SheldonSchallWisconsingovCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Wednesday September 30 2009 45929 PM

Good afternoon Sheldon I will here provide more detailed answers to your questions as posed in the email you sent to me today Section 30A-4323 limits tank storage capacity for Class I and II No limit for Class IIIA or IIIB

You are correct The intent of 4323 is to limit the capacities only of those tanks that storeClass I and II liquids Recall that when NFPA 30A initially allowed aboveground storage tanks atvehicle fueling sites biofuels were not in the picture just gasoline (Class I) and diesel fuel (ClassII) The Technical Committee at the time did not conceive that there would be the need to storeClass III fuels because there werenrsquot any The bottom line NFPA 30A does not limit the capacityof an aboveground storage tank that holds a motor fuel that is a Class III liquid

Section 30A-4324 refers to setbacks in Table 4324 No indication that these setbacks are specific toor exclude any class of flammable or combustible so it appears that the setbacks apply to Class I -Class IIIB liquids This table appears to conflict with the previous section for Class IIIA amp IIIB liquids

This is again correct that the separation distances in Table 4324 are not specific to anyparticular Class of liquid There is no conflict however 4323 deals with tank capacities 4324 deals with separation distances for the tanks Since 4324 does not specify anyparticular liquid class(es) it applies to ALL liquid classes

Section 30A-4325 allows an increased capacity for Class II and III liquids at fleet facilities Thisappears to conflict with section 4323 for Class III liquids which didnt have a capacity limit to startwith

Here there is a conflict or at least a serious inconsistency This provision was added one or twoeditions after 4323 and it appears that biofuels are beginning to be recognized It also appearsthat the intent here was to allow a relaxation of one limit in favor of a more liberal one Theproblem is the original limit doesnrsquot exist making it arguable that the application of 4325 toClass III liquids is meaningless Given the obvious intent here for some limit on Class III liquidfuels 4323 should be amended to include Class IIIs

Section 30A-4327 addresses dispensing from an aboveground tank for Class I and II liquids based uponspecific conditions

Paragraph 4322 is a hold-over dating back to when service stations were covered in Chapter 7of the old versions of NFPA 30 This set of requirements should also be amended to include ClassIIIs

Section 30A-4328 refers to NFPA 30-2171 for spill and overfill This section only applies to class Iand II liquids

While it is true that Subsection 2171 of NFPA 30 only applies to Classes I and II I do not believeit is a conflict for NFPA 30A to also apply it to Class III as well if the Technical Committee it isappropriate to do so However the language needs to be improved or an Annex item should beadded to explain the extrapolation and the reason for it

I will add this to the next meetingrsquos agenda for the Technical Committee on Automotive and MarineService Stations As usual the following applies Please understand that this response to your inquiry is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 of NFPArsquos RegulationsGoverning Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitively determine compliance with anylaws ordinances rules or regulations To determine the adequacy or safety of any device or installationyou should consult with an appropriate professional To determine legal compliance you should refer tothe appropriate authority having jurisdiction or seek legal advice

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I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will be happy toassist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarily represent the official positionof the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it berelied upon to provide professional consultation or services cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

Fire Prevention Week is October 4 ndash 10 2009 Visit wwwfirepreventionweekorg or call 800-344-3555 for moreinformation NFPA Seminars - Apply the codes with confidenceRegister at wwwnfpalearnorg NFPA Membership keeps you up-to-dateVisit wwwnfpaorgjoin for more information Or call 800-344-3555Notice The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for theexclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential andor privileged information If you are not the intendedrecipient please notify Robert Benedetti immediately by replying to the message or by calling (617) 984-7433 Please deletethis message and any attachments from your system Thank you Considering the variables in the sections referenced above are the setbacks in Table 4324 intended toapply to Class IIIA andor Class IIIB liquids for public fueling

From Schall Sheldon - COMMERCE [mailtoSheldonSchallWisconsingov] Sent Wednesday September 30 2009 832 AMTo Benedetti BobSubject NFPA 30A-4324 inquiry - URGENT Section 30A-4323 limits tank storage capacity for Class I and II No limit for Class IIIA or IIIB trueSection 30A-4324 refers to setbacks in Table 4324 No indication that these setbacks are specific toor exclude any class of flammable or combustible so it appears that the setbacks apply to Class I -Class IIIB liquids This table appears to conflict with the previous section for Class IIIA amp IIIB liquids Also trueSection 30A-4325 allows an increased capacity for Class II and III liquids at fleet facilities Thisappears to conflict with section 4323 for Class III liquids which didnt have a capacity limit to startwith Either one or the other needs to changeSection 30A-4327 addresses dispensing from an aboveground tank for Class I and II liquids based uponspecific conditions Need to cover IIIBSection 30A-4328 refers to NFPA 30-2171 for spill and overfill This section only applies to class Iand II liquids Class IIIs need to be specifically addressed Considering the variables in the sections referenced above are the setbacks in Table 4324 intended toapply to Class IIIA andor Class IIIB liquids for public fueling

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From Benedetti BobTo Bill HickmanCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Monday December 14 2009 50332 PM

Good afternoon Mr Hickman To answer your question the separation distances in Table 4324 of NFPA 30A Code for MotorFuel Dispensing Facilities and Repair Garages are intended to apply to outside abovegroundstorage tanks for fuel where such is allowed The tanks inside a service station building majorrepair garage or minor repair garage would likely be handling Class IIIB liquids (flash point gt200 degF) only in accordance with Subsection 4392 of NFPA 30A Subsection 4392 does not set any specific requirements for separation between tanks inside abuilding although it does refer back to Chapters 21 through 23 of NFPA 30 Flammable andCombustible Liquids Code Shell-to-shell spacing distances for aboveground tanks areestablished in Table 22421 Table 22421 is intended for much large tanks than one wouldfind in a repair garage or ldquolube-onlyrdquo facility For example the minimum separation for tanksstoring Class IIIB liquids is 3 feet as set forth in 224212 But again the separationdistances in Chapter 22 of NFPA 30 are intended for tank farm application not for the muchsmaller tanks found in the type of occupancy governed by NFPA 30A Also any facility meeting the requirements of NFPA 30A is considered to be in compliance withNFPA 30 Please understand that this response to your inquiry is a personal opinion and does notconstitute a Formal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 ofNFPArsquos Regulations Governing Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitivelydetermine compliance with any laws ordinances rules or regulations To determine theadequacy or safety of any device or installation you should consult with an appropriateprofessional To determine legal compliance you should refer to the appropriate authorityhaving jurisdiction or seek legal advice I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will behappy to assist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPARegulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarilyrepresent the official position of the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition thiscorrespondence is neither intended nor should it be relied upon to provide professional consultation orservices cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg If you have a reported fire in your home the risk of dyingdecreases by about 80 percent when sprinklers are present

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From Bill Hickman [mailtoBillHickmanstatecous] Sent Tuesday December 01 2009 939 AMTo Benedetti BobSubject Inquiry NFPA 30A - Storage of Liquids Inside Buildings Mr Benedetti Id appreciate your interpretation on an item regarding aboveground tanks storing lubricants (newused oil) inside abuilding at a repair garage NFPA 30A 439 does not include specific spacing requirements for tanks inside buildings Where there are multiple tanks being stored inside the building is there no minimum separation distance requirementthat must be met or do the requirements of Table 4324 apply Thank you in advance for your assistance __________________________________ Bill HickmanInspectorTechnical SpecialistCO Division of Oil amp Public Safety303-378-5090

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From Benedetti BobTo Peznowski EdwardCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Thursday September 03 2009 30455 PM

Hi Ed The 1996 edition of the Flammable and Combustible Liquids Code Handbook was the last one prior to thecurrent 2008 edition The commentary hasnrsquot changed My recollection of the development of this text is that the intent of NFPA 30A Code for Motor FuelDispensing Facilities and Repair Garages is to isolate the motor fuel dispensing area and its attendanthazard completely from the rest of the structure regardless of what else might be in the structure Subsection 524 assumes that the installation involves a motor fuel dispensing operation inside abuilding where you would not expect to have same such as an office building A bus repair facility wouldbe probably classed as a major repair garage and would be expected to have fueling operations Thehazard of this is in my opinion no greater than the repair operations It could be that the language in Subsection 524 needs to be clarified so that it applies only to situationssuch as I first described Please understand that this response to your inquiry is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 of NFPArsquos RegulationsGoverning Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitively determine compliance with anylaws ordinances rules or regulations To determine the adequacy or safety of any device or installationyou should consult with an appropriate professional To determine legal compliance you should refer tothe appropriate authority having jurisdiction or seek legal advice I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will be happy toassist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarily represent the official positionof the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it berelied upon to provide professional consultation or services cc 30AIFI 30AFAQ AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

Fire Prevention Week is October 4 ndash 10 2009 Visit wwwfirepreventionweekorg or call 800-344-3555 for moreinformation NFPA Seminars - Apply the codes with confidenceRegister at wwwnfpalearnorg NFPA Membership keeps you up-to-dateVisit wwwnfpaorgjoin for more information Or call 800-344-3555Notice The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for the

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exclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential andor privileged information If you are not the intendedrecipient please notify Robert Benedetti immediately by replying to the message or by calling (617) 984-7433 Please deletethis message and any attachments from your system Thank you

From Peznowski Edward [mailtoEdwardPeznowskipostatectus] Sent Monday August 31 2009 127 PMTo Benedetti BobSubject NFPA 30A Hi Bob Sorry to bother you but I need your help and interpretation of the following section of NFPA 30A 2000edition 524 - All piping inside buildings but outside the motor fuel dispensing area shall be enclosed within ahorizontal chase or a vertical shaft used only for this piping Vertical shafts and horizontal chases shall beconstructed of materials having a fire resistance rating of not less than 2 hours Bob I have a bus repair facility being built and we have fuel dispensing area within the building enclosedwith a 2hr fire resistive separation My question is I have diesel fuel piping coming from two tanks locatedoutside of the building the piping runs outside of the dispensing area does this piping need to be enclosed Ihave the proper UL listed system for through wall penetrations My problem lies here I have natural gas heating fuel oil lines for boilers and diesel fuel line for thegenerator all running through the area outside the 2 hour rated dispensing area which are not required to beenclosed My thought is within the 2 hour fire resistive construction I have storage rooms for grease and oil a office forfuel dispensing Any fuel piping running through these areas would be enclosed but once I go outside my 2hrrated enclosure the piping would not have to be enclosed NFPA 30A (1996edition)6-42 - All fuel and flammable vapor piping inside buildings but outside the service station area shall beenclosed within a horizontal chase or a vertical shaft used only for this piping Vertical shafts and horizontalchases shall be constructed of materials having a fire resistance rating of not less than 2 hoursCOMMENTARY 6-42 The intent of this requirement is to preserve the isolation of the service stationoperation from the rest of the building I donrsquot have the 2000 handbook for commentary Thanks Bob Edward J PeznowskiFire amp Life Safety SpecialistBureau of EngineeringOffice State Fire Marshal860-685-8350

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From Benedetti BobTo Hamilton James P (HOY)Cc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiSubject Inquiry NFPA 30A-2008Date Monday September 14 2009 115041 AM

Good morning Mr Hamilton The intent of this particular provision of Subsection 672 of NFPA 30A Code for Motor Fuel DispensingFacilities and Repair Garages is to ensure that the patron has access to a second disconnect if he or shecannot reach the primary disconnect ie the one that is between 20 and 100 feet from the dispenser In my opinion all of the emergency disconnects required by Section 67 must be at least 20 ft but normore than 100 ft from the nearest dispenser Please understand that this response to your inquiry is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 of NFPArsquos RegulationsGoverning Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitively determine compliance with anylaws ordinances rules or regulations To determine the adequacy or safety of any device or installationyou should consult with an appropriate professional To determine legal compliance you should refer tothe appropriate authority having jurisdiction or seek legal advice I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will be happy toassist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarily represent the official positionof the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it berelied upon to provide professional consultation or services cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

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From Hamilton James P (HOY) [mailtoHAMILTONJPbechteljacobsorg] Sent Thursday September 10 2009 1224 PMTo Benedetti BobSubject NFPA 30A 2008 Edition

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Importance High

NFPA 30A 672 states at least one additional device or disconnect shall be readily accessible toeach group of dispensing devices on an individual island Our installation does not have islands Should the second emergency shutoff be installed close to the pumps or between 20 and 100 ofthe pumps

Please respond back via email hamiltonjpbechteljacobsorg

Thanks

NFPA 127130 James P Hamilton CFPSTetraTek Inc - Fire Safety TechnologiesFire Protection LeadK-27 Pre-Demo Project 790 Emory Valley Rd 811 Oak Ridge TN 37830 ETTP Office 865-241-1902

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From Benedetti BobTo Scott DavonskiCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Tuesday August 04 2009 92429 AM

Good morning Mr Davonski My opinion is that the intent of the requirement in Subsection 1141 of NFPA 30A Code for Motor FuelDispensing Facilities and Repair Garages is that any hose longer than 18 feet should not simply bestrung along the dockrsquos surface Using a reel would be one means of securing the hose although Irsquomsure other methods such as hangers would work as well Please understand that this response to your inquiry is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 of NFPArsquos RegulationsGoverning Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitively determine compliance with anylaws ordinances rules or regulations To determine the adequacy or safety of any device or installationyou should consult with an appropriate professional To determine legal compliance you should refer tothe appropriate authority having jurisdiction or seek legal advice I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will be happy toassist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarily represent the official positionof the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it berelied upon to provide professional consultation or services cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

Fire Prevention Week is October 4 ndash 10 2009 Visit wwwfirepreventionweekorg or call 800-344-3555 for moreinformation NFPA Seminars - Apply the codes with confidenceRegister at wwwnfpalearnorg NFPA Membership keeps you up-to-dateVisit wwwnfpaorgjoin for more information Or call 800-344-3555Notice The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for theexclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential andor privileged information If you are not the intendedrecipient please notify Robert Benedetti immediately by replying to the message or by calling (617) 984-7433 Please deletethis message and any attachments from your system Thank you

From Scott Davonski [mailtodavonskiRiverheadlicom] Sent Wednesday July 22 2009 1118 AMTo Benedetti BobSubject 30A clarification

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1141 All hose shall be listed Where hose length exceeds 55 m (18 ft) the hose shall besecured so as to protect it from damage Can you provide clarification as to what is meant by ldquosecured so as to protect it fromdamagerdquo Is the standard looking not to have the hoses on the dock In a reel Any clarificationinformation would be appreciated Scott W DavonskiChief Fire MarshalTown of RiverheadP- 631-727-3200 ext 209F- 631-727-3370

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ATTACHMENT No A10
Page 18: TECHNICAL COMMITTEE ON AUTOMOTIVE and MARINE … · SUBJECT: Agenda for ROC Meeting – October 4, 2010 _____ Ladies and Gentlemen: Attached is the Agenda for the NFPA 30A Report

Report on Comments ndash June 2011 NFPA 30Amay seem like overkill but to the great majority of code officials designers and owners of these types of dispensingfacilities and repair garages correlation of these terms with NFPA 5000 and IBC are critical to prevent major conflictsdelays and cost increases in interpretations and applications of code requirements between the building departmentsand fire departments

In summation based on the two sections in NFPA 30A that cover a ldquobasementrdquo requirement it serves the public interestbetter to use the ldquobasementrdquo definition and its related building definitions from NFPA 5000 to properly correlate with themodel buildings codes not NFPA 30

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Report on Comments ndash June 2011 NFPA 30A_______________________________________________________________________________________________30A- Log 1

_______________________________________________________________________________________________Alex Ralston Petcon Inc

NARevise text to read as follows

Means shall be provided to sound an audible alarm when the liquid level in the tank reaches 90 percent of capacityMeans shall also be provided either to automatically stop the flow of liquid into the tank when the liquid level reaches 98percent capacity or to restrict the flow of liquid into the tank to a maximum flow rate of 95L min (25 gpm) when theliquid level in the tank reaches 95 percent capacityThe federal underground storage tank rules state that means shall be provided to stop the flow of liquid into the tank

when the liquid reaches 95 percent capacity or restrict the flow into the tank when the liquid level reaches 90 percentcapacity

None given

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Report on Comments ndash June 2011 NFPA 30A_______________________________________________________________________________________________30A- Log 2

_______________________________________________________________________________________________Alex Ralston Petcon Inc

NARevise text to read as follows

On remote pressure pumping systems each pump shall have installed on the discharge side a listed leak detectiondevice that will provide an audible or visible indication if the piping and dispensing devices are not liquid tight Replace with device that will either restrict the flow of product to the dispenser or shut-off the flow of product to

indicate if the piping and dispensing devices are liquid tightThe explanation attempts to explain the federal underground storage tank regulations however the

regulation that provides for an audible or visible alarm relates to overfill prevention in federal regulations not leakdetectionThe regulations on leak detection for pressurized piping in the explanation are correct but if youll note nowhere in the

explanation is audible or visual alarms mentioned

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Report on Comments ndash June 2011 NFPA 30A_______________________________________________________________________________________________30A- Log 8

_______________________________________________________________________________________________Robert Bourke Northeastern Regional Fire Code Development Committee

30A-42Revise to read 623 Fuel-dispensing systems including dispensers hoses nozzleshelliphelliphellip

blended motor fuels shall be listed or approved for the specific purposeThis requirement should only be stating that the equipment is listed for the specific purpose

ldquoApprovedrdquo by definition means ldquoacceptable to the AHJrdquoToo often a Standard may misuse the word ldquoapprovedrdquo in order to not exclude other listing organizations that publish

its list in a document that they refer to as an ldquoApproval Guiderdquo Regardless the document is still a listing

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Report on Comments ndash June 2011 NFPA 30A_______________________________________________________________________________________________30A- Log 3

_______________________________________________________________________________________________David B Wechsler The Dow Chemical Company

30A-34Revise and add new sentences shown under 831 and A831 and modify Table 831 as

indicated831 Table 831 shall be used to delineate and classify areas for the purposes of installing electrical wiring and

electrical utilization equipment (See also Figure 831) WARNING The US National Electrical Code has differentequipment and installation requirements from other International Standards Therefore for example equipment used inEurope may not be acceptable for installation in the USA831 The designation and decision installation and use of electrical equipment for Classes and Divisions in

hazardous (classified) locations are defined Article 500 501 and 504 of NFPA 70 National Electrical Code Thedesignation and design installation and use of electrical equipment for Classes and Zones in hazardous (classified)locations are defined in Article 505 and 504 of NFPA 70 National Electrical Code The designation and designinstallation and use of electrical equipment in lsquoZonesrsquo Zone 0 Zone 1 and Zone 2 are addressed in other internationalstandardsWithin Table 831 add a new column titled ldquoZones and copy the information from the Class I Zone column into this

new columnAlternatively to all of the above remove the ldquoZonesrdquo column completely from Table 831

While the stated intent of this proposal is understood as being to try and deal with the internationalnature of applying NFPA 30A there are problems with the approach presented by a simple extraction from the NECFirst as presented the new column only addresses the US Zone methodology The US Zone methodology for

flammable vapor gases liquids and combustible vapors and liquids is identified by the terms lsquoClass I Zone 0rsquo lsquoClass IZone 1rsquo and lsquoClass I Zone 2rsquo However under the IEC or ATEX (aka Europe International) the terms are simply lsquoZone0rsquo lsquoZone 1rsquo or lsquoZone 2rsquo Therefore the table revision is not correct for international useSecond this TIA and proposal was to lsquoincorporate the (European) Zone System of designating hazardous (classified)

locations and the allowable wiring methods and electrical utilization devices that can be used in themrsquo However the USNEC is not an international code Thus while the US NEC Article 505 does permit the use of the Class I Zonemethodology adding this column in NFPA 30A does not address the more complex nature of the design and installationproblems associated with Zone certified equipment in the US The NEC under Article 5059 Equipment provides for theuse of only AEx equipment as may be seen for example under paragraph ldquo(2) Zone Equipment Equipment meeting oneor more of the protection techniques described in 5058 shall be marked with all of the following in the order shown(1) Class(2) Zone(3) Symbol ldquoAExrdquo(4) Protection technique(s) in accordance with Table 5059(C)(2)(4)(5) Applicable gas classification group(s) in accordance with Table 9(C)(1)(2)Without adding additional text usersinspectors etc may think using Zones is just like using the Division methodology

This is not true and equipment not otherwise permitted under the US NEC may be installed because of the impliedactions currently reflected in this proposal This is a significant issue

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Report on Comments ndash June 2011 NFPA 30A_______________________________________________________________________________________________30A- Log 9

_______________________________________________________________________________________________Donald R Offerdahl North Dakota State Electrical Board

30A-36Insert figure for 831(B)

Insert Artwork Figure 831(A) and 831(B) Here

Proposal 30A-36 should have been accepted in principal these types of storage tanks and dispensersare widely used in farms construction sites and business fleet operations

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Report on Comments ndash June 2011 NFPA 30A_______________________________________________________________________________________________30A- Log 5

_______________________________________________________________________________________________Mindy Wang Ampco Safety Tools

30A-39Not proposing new text Please see comment in Substantiation

Although procedures for cleanup of spills is not within the scope of NFPA 30A we feel compelled toaddress API 2214 referenced by the Committee Information presented below shows API 2214 is misleading andundermines safe work practices In fact API 2214 conflicts with OSHA regulations Accredited Standards Developerrsquosstandards and safe work practices FM Approvals LLC formerly Factory Mutual Research Corporation (FM) is an international organization recognized

by the US government as a Nationally Recognized Testing Laboratory (NRTL) for scientific research and productcertification Product approval from a NRTL assures that products meet consensus-based standards of safety to providethe assurance required by OSHA that these products are safe for use in the United States workplace FM ApprovalStandard 7910 Spark Resistant Tools is used as guidance to evaluate tools intended for use in environments wherethere is a risk of ignition of flammable materials dusts or vapors resulting from sparks created by iron and steel handtools These tools prevent the ignition of flammable materials dusts or vapors by mechanical sparks created by the useof iron and steel hand tools slipping or striking a surface American Petroleum Institute (API) Publication 2214contradicts NRTL research and product certification as evidence in FM Approvals granted for spark resistance toolsFM has conducted tests of Ampco Safety Tools as covered in Report Job Identification No IN4A0AF in accordancewith the requirements of Safety Tools Approval Test Procedure Class 7910 and test results show

Sparks created from steel plates ignited carbon disulfide saturated pads eight of eight tests ethyl ether pads fiveof eight tests and naphtha VMampP four of eight tests

No sparks were observed and no ignition of the flammable liquids mentioned above from approved Ampco SafetyTools Other investigations also contradict APIrsquos conclusion on non-sparking tools A paper published in the Fire Protection

Journal ldquoThe Danger of Incendive Sparksrdquo stated that after APIrsquos conclusion on ldquonon-sparkingrdquo tools Institute ofPetroleum sought the advice of the Fire Research Board Committee on Industrial Fires and Explosion This committeecame to certain conclusions one of which was ldquoUntilhellipevidence is obtained to show that the impact of steel hand toolson steel is safe it is advisable to use non-sparking tools in situations where flammable atmospheres are unavoidablerdquo The NFPA Fire Protection Handbook 20th edition published in January 2008 does not support the conclusion that

API 2214 represents In fact many NFPA codes the use of ldquonon-sparkingrdquo tools in flammable atmospheresAccording to NFPA Fire Protection Handbook ldquoWhen flammable and combustible liquids are stored or handled theliquid is usually exposed to the air at some stage in the operation except where the storage is confined to sealedcontainers that are not filled or opened on the premises or where handling is in closed systems and vapor losses arerecovered Even when the storage or handling is in a closed system there is always the possibility of breaks or leakswhich permit the liquid to escape It is a to eliminate sources of ignition in places where low flashpointflammable liquids are stored handled or used even though no vapor may ordinarily be presentrdquo NFPA 921 Guide for Fire and Explosion Investigations 2008 Edition Chapter 5 Basic Fire Science Table 5711

Reported Burning and Sparking Temperature of Selected Ignition Sources under Mechanical Sparks lists a Steel tooltemperature at 2550degF When working with flammable gases liquids or vapors a potential hazard arises because of thepossibility that sparks produced by steel or iron tools can become an ignition source OSHA Flammable and Combustible Liquids regulation 29 CFR Parts 1910106(b) on tank storage paragraph

1910106(b)(6) states that precaution shall be taken to eliminate or control sources of ignitions including frictional heatand mechanical sparks to prevent the ignition of flammable vapors In OSHA regulation 29 CFR 1910146 Permit-Required Confined Spaces Appendix D Confined Space Pre-Entry

Check List non-sparking tool is listed as one type of entry equipment OSHA 29 CFR 1910146 StandardInterpretations Interpretative guidance and equipment approved for hazardous locations relative to the Permit-RequiredConfined Spaces states that ldquohellipthe standard does not prohibit entry into a permit space where a hazardous flammableatmosphere is at or above the 10 LFL For concentrations at or above 10 LFL paragraph (d) would theemployer to incorporate safe work procedures to address the flammableexplosive hazard (such as equipment approvedfor hazardous locations) in the entry plan for those spaces Electrical equipment as well as other sources of ignition(non-sparking hand tools) be considered and addressed for the hazardous atmosphererdquo OSHA regulation 29 CFR Parts 1910120 Hazardous waste operations and emergency response paragraph

1910120(j)(2)(v) requires that ldquoWhen there is a reasonable possibility of flammable atmospheres being present

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Report on Comments ndash June 2011 NFPA 30Amaterial handling equipment and hand tools shall be of the type to prevent sources of ignition EPA has identifiedsolvents such as xylene acetone ethyl acetate ethyl benzene and ethyl ether commonly used in all industries (theF-list) and discarded commercial chemical products such as acetone benzene ethyl ether and xylene (the P-list andU-list) as ignitable hazardous wastes API members such as ExxonMobil and Chevron as well as others in the petroleum industry such as Valero CITGO

Petroleum Corporation Chem-Supply Pty Ltd Irving Oil Ltd Petrol Star Inc Nova Chemicals and El Paso Corporationregularly the use of ldquonon-sparkingrdquo tools under Accidental Release Measures and Handling and Storage sectionsin the MSDSrsquos for their petroleum products These companies clearly recognize the need for ldquonon-sparkingrdquo tools inworking with and around flammable materials API 2214 Section 12 Background ldquohellipthese engineers pointed out that although numerous opportunities existed for

the production of sparks from violent contact of steel objects with other steel objects there was a negligible record offires resulting from such a causerdquo On the contrary there are a number of documented incidents involving flammablevapors ignited by steel sparks from tools A few examples are as follows

OSHA inspection 300965795 an employee in the process of cleaning loose material from drill piping with ametal hammer While striking the pipe with a hammer an explosion occurred Employee was killed in the explosion onsite

OSHA inspection 2272953 two employees were assigned the job of tending a 100 gallon (water jacket) reactorkettle of methyl methacrylate in the mixing room Employee 1 used a metal wrench (visegrips) to pry open the cover ofa kettle The wrench handle struck the angle iron support for the agitator motor producing a spark Employee 2noticed the spark which was immediately followed by a massive ldquofire ballrdquo Both employees were engulfed in thefireball Employee 3 came to the area to assist the other employees The investigation states that non-sparking toolswere not provided for the employees All three employees received first and second degree burns on their face armsand abdomen Employee 2 also received some third degree burns All three employees were hospitalized

OSHA inspection 124728437 Employee 1 and a coworker both maintenance mechanics were working in a 30inch by 36 inch manhole at a gas station Employee 1 was trying to change a fuel pump while the coworker watchedfrom outside the manhole Employee 1 was using an Allen wrench to loosen the bolts on the fuel pump lead when hecreated a spark that ignited the gas fumes in the manhole causing an explosion Employee 1 suffered burns to hisface hands arms and legs in the explosion and was hospitalized

OSHA inspection 111109237 Employee 1 or 3 attempted to cut a metal pipe with a metal saw whileEmployee 2 was standing on top of one of two 5000 gallon gas tanks trying to remove a tank fitting Sparks from thesaw the pipe wrench or another unknown source ignited the gas vapors which exploded Employees 1 and 3 werekilled of burns at the scene Employee 2 died at the burn center as a result of burns sustained in the explosion

OSHA inspection 102826625 Employee 1 worked for a company that cleans paints and replaces valves in LPand MAPP gas cylinders Before removing an old valve Employee 1 would open the valve to let the residual gas leakout on the loading dock Where there was a large quantity of cylinders Employee 1 would invert the cylinder so theresidual gas could vent faster Employee 1 had an accumulation of a gas and air mixture around his work area Thevapors were ignited either by a spark from the metal screwdriver he was using to open a damaged valve or by an openflame burner approximately 40 feet away There was a fire and explosion The employee sustained 2nd and 3rd degreeburns on the lower half of his body and was hospitalized

OSHA inspection 607366 an employee was sawing an airplane wing into sections with a portable powered handsaw the saw created a spark that caused an explosion of gasoline vapors in the wing fuel tank Employee 1 killed andEmployee 2 injured in explosion and was hospitalized

OSHA inspection 309178523 employer was cited for violating Section 5(a)(1) of the Occupational Safety andHealth Act of 1970 often referred to as the General Duty Clause which requires employers to furnish to each of hisemployees employment and a place of employment which are free from recognized hazards that are causing or arelikely to cause death or serious physical harm to his employees for exposing employee to an explosion hazard byopening the hydrogen tube trailer main valve without using non-sparking tools

OSHA inspection 304994304 employer was cited for violating Section 5(a)(1) of the Occupational Safety andHealth Act of 1970 violation for exposing employee to a fireexplosion hazard while performing maintenance operationson LP gas tanks with ferrous tools One feasible and acceptable abatement method to correct this hazard is toimplement the use of non- sparking toolsThe Report of the BP US Refineries independent Safety Review Panel also known as the Baker Panel Report states

that ldquoPreventing process accidents requires vigilance The passing of time without a process accident is not necessarilyan indicator that all is well and may contribute to a dangerous and growing sense of complacencyrdquo This sample ofOSHA documented events illustrates accidents do happen when proper safety measures are not taken againstmechanical sparks from steel tools as a possible ignition sourceHaving said that we appreciate the Committeersquos time and agree with the Committee that procedures for cleanup of

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Report on Comments ndash June 2011 NFPA 30Aspills is not within the scope of NFPA 30A

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Report on Comments ndash June 2011 NFPA 30A_______________________________________________________________________________________________30A- Log 7

_______________________________________________________________________________________________Robert Bourke Northeastern Regional Fire Code Development Committee

30A-19Add a new section to read 11721 Where approved by the Authority Having Jurisdiction piers

that extend more than 152 m (500 ft) in travel distance from shore shall be permitted to provide a Class I standpipe thatis installed in accordance with NFPA 14 Standard for the Installation of Standpipe and Hose Systems

The TC missed the point in the substantiation of the proposalIt was not the intent of the proposal to obtain additional flexibility of FD use over that which is provided by a Class III

standpipe system The intent of the proposal was to provide relief from the requirement where the local AHJ feels thatthe effectiveness and likelihood of occupant use of fire hoses does not justify the added risk to the occupant or theinstallation and maintenance costs associated with the requisite hose for a Class III system A Class I system would stillprovide FD fire fighting capabilities in jurisdictions where the AHJ prefers occupants to evacuate and not attempt to fightfires beyond portable fire extinguisher capability

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From Benedetti BobTo bcotnerswriorgCc Harrington Greg Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiBcc May PaulSubject Inquiry NFPA 30 amp NFPA 30ADate Thursday July 08 2010 121900 PM

Good Morning Mr Cotner Greg Harrington asked that I respond to your question about the proper use ofintermediate bulk containers Actually an intermediate bulk container is a shipping vessel that must meetrequirements and specifications of the U S Department of Transportation for shippingmaterials from Point A to Point B It is not intended to be a storage vessel althoughthe liquid contained is obviously dispensed from the vessel for use Dispensing of motor fuels is covered by NFPA 30A Code for Motor Fuel DispensingFacilities and Repair Garages NFPA 30A states in Subsection 421 421 Liquids shall be stored in the following(1) Approved closed containers that do not exceed 227 L (60 gal) capacity and arelocated outside buildings(2) Tanks or approved closed containers located inside motor fuel dispensingfacilities or repair garages(3) Aboveground tanks underground tanks and containers in accordance with therequirements of Section 43(4) Tanks supplying marine service stations in accordance with Section 112 Section 43 states the following 432 Aboveground Storage Tanks Except as modified by the provisions of thissubsection aboveground storage tanks shall meet all applicable requirements ofChapters 21 through 23 and 27 of NFPA 30 Flammable and Combustible Liquids Code So in accordance with NFPA 30A Subsection 421(3) indicates that abovegroundstorage of motor fuel must be in a tank that meets the provisions of Section 43 Thelatter in turn references the Chapters in NFPA 30 that deal with fixed storage tanks Nowhere in these chapters is there any reference to an intermediate bulk container Chapter 9 of NFPA 30 does recognize an intermediate bulk container for warehouse-type storage of Class I flammable liquids but does not anticipate continual dispensingand use One could evaluate an intermediate bulk container as a means of long-term storageand dispensing of liquids under the Equivalency clause My opinion is that an intermediate bulk container is not considered a substitute for anaboveground storage tank but this is not specifically stated in the relevant codes This issue will be added to the agendas for the Technical Committees involved Please understand that this response is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 ofNFPArsquos Regulations Governing Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon todefinitively determine compliance with any laws ordinances rules or regulations Todetermine legal compliance you should refer to the appropriate authority havingjurisdiction or seek legal advice It is not intended nor should it be relied upon toprovide professional consultation or services To determine the adequacy or safety ofany device or installation you should consult with an appropriate professional

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I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write Iwill be happy to assist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant toNFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does notnecessarily represent the official position of the NFPA or its Technical Committees Inaddition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it be relied upon to provideprofessional consultation or services cc 30IFI 30AIFI AUVNM FLCSWCNM FLCTANNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

If you have a reported fire in your home the risk of dyingdecreases by about 80 percent when sprinklers are present

wwwfiresprinklerinitiativeorgNotice The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intendedfor the exclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential andor privileged information If you arenot the intended recipient please notify Robert Benedetti immediately by replying to the message or by calling(617) 984-7433 Please delete this message and any attachments from your system Thank you

From Harrington Greg Sent Wednesday July 07 2010 350 PMTo Benedetti BobSubject FW Intermediate Bulk Containers Hi Bob Can you answer the question below Hersquos a friend of mine former inspector with San Antonio FD when Iworked down there now a safety guy at SWRI Thanks a lot --Greg

From Bill Cotner [mailtobcotnerswriorg] Sent Wednesday July 07 2010 332 PMTo Harrington GregSubject Intermediate Bulk Containers Hey Greg howrsquos the heat in Boston here it is a balmy 93 enjoying it I have a question probably out ofyour area but Irsquom sure you know who to route it to We have a group here that wants to dispense fuelfrom a stainless steel IBC into test engines I donrsquot think that is the intended use or what it has beenlisted for Can I get some guidance on this issue I appreciate anything you can do for me Bill Bill CotnerSenior Fire SpecialistEnvironmental Safety and Quality SystemsSouthwest Research InstitutePhone (210) 522-5101Fax (210) 522-5093Mobile (210) 669-7005Email bcotner swriorg

From Benedetti BobTo Ebanks DesmondCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiBcc May PaulSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Monday June 14 2010 35400 PM

Good afternoon Mr Ebanks The intent of Subsection 422 of NFPA 30A Code for Motor Fuel Dispensing Facilities and RepairGarages is that there be no direct piped connection between the aboveground storage tank inthe bulk plant and the fuel dispensing device in the motor fuel dispensing facility In my opinionthis includes any intervening underground storage tank The hazard being addressed is the potential to overfill the underground storage tank due to thestatic head of the liquid in the aboveground storage tank Please understand that this response is a personal opinion and does not constitute a FormalInterpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 of NFPArsquos RegulationsGoverning Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitively determine compliancewith any laws ordinances rules or regulations To determine legal compliance you shouldrefer to the appropriate authority having jurisdiction or seek legal advice It is not intended norshould it be relied upon to provide professional consultation or services To determine theadequacy or safety of any device or installation you should consult with an appropriateprofessional I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will behappy to assist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPARegulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarilyrepresent the official position of the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition thiscorrespondence is neither intended nor should it be relied upon to provide professional consultation orservices cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg Attend the premier event for fire life safety and electrical professionals

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From Ebanks Desmond [mailtoDesmondEbanksgovky] Sent Monday May 24 2010 940 AMTo Benedetti BobSubject bulk storage supply to motor fuel facilities Hi Bob NFPA 30A (2003) 422 gives to positions in relation to motor fuel dispensing facilities (mfdf) that I would like to havefurther clarified for Code intent please The first is that dispensing devices at the mfdf shall not be supplied by ASTs located in the bulk plant Does this implythat supply from a UST (underground storage tank) in the bulk storage facility would be acceptable or to the other extentthat even if the bulk AST supplied a loading rack which in turn supplied a UST both in the bulk facility that supplyfrom the bulk AST is still not permitted The second statement refers to any storage tank at the mfdf saying they shall not be connected by piping to bulkfacility ASTs Similarly does this imply that a UST (underground storage tank) in the bulk storage facility would beacceptable or that if the bulk tank was connected to a loading rack and the loading rack connected by non-permanentmeans to an mfdf tank that this would be permissible RegardsDes EbanksAssistant Petroleum InspectorThe Petroleum InspectorateCayman Islands GovernmentAnderson Square 4th floorPO Box 31213Grand CaymanKY1-1205Cayman IslandsOffice 345 244 3458Mobile 345 925 3317Fax 345 949 0920Email desmondebanksgovky

From Benedetti BobTo Shriniwas BodhankarCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiBcc May PaulSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Monday June 14 2010 50100 PM

Good day Sir There has been no discussion by the Technical Committee on Automotive and Marine ServiceStations to alter the separation distances in Table 4324 of NFPA 30A Code for Motor FuelDispensing Facilities and Repair Garages as they pertain to liquid fuels including high flashpoint diesel fuels Also there have been no proposals to make such a change to NFPA 30A I trust this answers your question R P Benedetti cc -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

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Notice The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for theexclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential andor privileged information If you are not the intendedrecipient please notify Robert Benedetti immediately by replying to the message or by calling (617) 984-7433 Please deletethis message and any attachments from your system Thank you

From Shriniwas Bodhankar [mailtobodhankarenoccom] Sent Tuesday June 01 2010 536 AMTo Maynard Mary Benedetti BobSubject NFPA 30 A Dear sir Reference is made to table no 4324 of NFPA code 30A specifying the minimum distance between storagetanks and dispensing equipment A dispenser should be placed minimum 50 feet away from a bunded abovegroundsteel tank to meet this requirementIn our opinion this is too stringent and uncalled for in case of high flash diesel ( Flash point above 65 degreecentigrade) A bunded tank where spill can be contained within bund is as safe as a vaulted tankfire resistanttankprotected tank Therefore it is equally safe to install an approved dispensing device immediately outside thebund provided the vent of the tank is 4 meters above the grade level on which the dispensing device is installedVarious international oil companies like SHELL amp BP carry similar installations for their fleet customers of dieselMoreover there are standard skids being marketed in EUROPE (even for gasoline) which have storage tanks and

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dispensers on same skid and such an arrangement is accepted by ldquoAuthority Having Jurisdictionrdquo(AHJ)Kindly advise if this standard requirement is being reviewed or otherwise if based on performance based designsuch a requirement may be waived or considered as ldquo highly recommendedrdquo in the leastBased on your feedback we wish to discuss this with AHJ in UAE Regards Regards Shriniwas BodhankarSenior EHS Compliance Officer( Special Projects)Group EHSQ Compliance DepartmentEmirates National Oil Company Limited (ENOC) LLC ENOC House I PO Box 6442Dubai United Arab EmiratesDirect +971 4 313 4437Fax +971 4 313 4482bodhankarenoccom | wwwenoccom

This message together with any attachments contains confidential information and is intended only for the use of theaddressee(s) and may contain information which is covered by legal professional or other privilege If you are not theintended recipient please inform the sender immediately and delete this e-mail You should not copy this e-mail or use itfor any purpose nor disclose its contents to any other person ENOC does not warrant that this transmission is virus freeand will not be liable for any damages resulting from any virus ENOC Dubai UAE

From Benedetti BobTo EActonccfireusCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiBcc May PaulSubject Inquiry NFPA 30A amp NFPA 30Date Monday August 02 2010 44400 PMAttachments DSC06169JPG

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Good day Mr Acton Fire protection provisions for major and minor repair garages and ldquolube-onlyrdquofacilities which is the topic of your concern are provided in NFPA 30A Code for MotorFuel Dispensing Facilities and Repair Garages currently 2008 edition Chapter 5 ofNFPA 30A covers piping systems but its specific provisions focus on piping systemsbetween fuel storage tanks and fuel dispensers Chapter 5 also directly referencesChapter 27 of the 2008 edition of NFPA 30 Flammable and Combustible Liquids Code(successor to Chapter 5 of the 2003 edition) Subsection 527 of NFPA 30A allows piping made from low-melting point materials tobe installed in exposed areas but only in specific locations These are limited tocontainment sumps under dispensers containment sumps for underground fuelstorage tanks and sumps for below-grade piping connections Chapter 5 of NFPA 30Ais silent on piping inside buildings Therefore the user is left with the provisions ofChapter 27 of NFPA 30 NFPA 30 in turn does allow piping fabricated of low melting point materials to beused exposed outdoors or inside buildings with the following provisions ldquo27441 Such materials shall be permitted to be used outdoors above ground orinside buildings provided they meet one of the following conditions (1) They are resistant to damage by fire(2) They are located so that any leakage resulting from failure will not exposepersons important buildings or structures(3) They are located where leakage can be controlled by operation of one or moreaccessible remotely located valvesrdquo Regardless of the material of construction of the piping and components the followinggeneral requirement from Chapter 27 of NFPA 30 always applies ldquo273 General Requirements2731 Performance Standards The design fabrication assembly test and inspectionof piping systems shall be suitable for the working pressures and structural stresses tobe encountered by the piping system Compliance with applicable sections of ASMEB31 Code for Pressure Piping and the provisions of this chapter shall be consideredprima facie evidence of compliance with the foregoing provisions2732 Tightness of Piping Piping systems shall be maintained liquidtight A pipingsystem that has leaks that constitute a hazard shall be emptied of liquid or repaired ina manner acceptable to the authority having jurisdictionrdquo Your interpretation of Subsection 511 of the 2003 edition of NFPA 30 (2711 in the2008 edition) is correct the chapter applies to any piping system that handles aflammable or combustible liquid regardless of pressure Likewise you are correct thatthe piping system must meet the provisions of ASME B31 for the material chosen andthe anticipated operating pressures and temperatures (531 in the 2003 edition 2741 in the 2008 edition) However low melting point materials (aluminum copperbrass and polymeric materials) are allowed under the provisions of Subsection 534(2003 edition) and 2744 (2008 edition) What must be determined is does thepiping system comply with one of the conditions stated in 27441 as stated above

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Please understand that this response is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 ofNFPArsquos Regulations Governing Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon todefinitively determine compliance with any laws ordinances rules or regulations Todetermine legal compliance you should refer to the appropriate authority havingjurisdiction or seek legal advice It is not intended nor should it be relied upon toprovide professional consultation or services To determine the adequacy or safety ofany device or installation you should consult with an appropriate professional I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write Iwill be happy to assist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant toNFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does notnecessarily represent the official position of the NFPA or its Technical Committees Inaddition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it be relied upon to provideprofessional consultation or services cc 30IFI 30AIFI AUVNM FLCTANNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

If you have a reported fire in your home the risk of dyingdecreases by about 80 percent when sprinklers are present

wwwfiresprinklerinitiativeorgNotice The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intendedfor the exclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential andor privileged information If you arenot the intended recipient please notify Robert Benedetti immediately by replying to the message or by calling(617) 984-7433 Please delete this message and any attachments from your system Thank you

From Eric Acton [mailtoEActonccfireus] Sent Monday July 19 2010 636 PMTo Benedetti BobSubject InterpretationOpinion request

Good day My name is Eric Acton I am the Fire Marshal for Campbell CountyWyoming and Irsquom employed by Campbell County Fire Department My NFPA

membership number is 2755369 My mailing and email addresses are listed below I am in need of a technical opinion regarding 2003 NFPA 30 Chapter 5 or morecurrently 2008 NFPA 30A Chapter 5 Some brief project backgroundAn owner within my jurisdiction has built a commercial lube-oil center to servicecustomersrsquo vehicles A ldquopitrdquo exists below the service bay to allow workers to drainthe oil from the vehicle then workers on the main floor refill the oil by use ofpressurized nozzles Several motor oil storage tanks are located in the pitaccounting for several brands and viscosities of oil The tanks are designed to befilled by use of a piping system which extends from an exterior connection vault toeach of the storage tanks using gravity to move the product in the fill-pipingsystem The material the owner chose to construct the fill-piping system wasldquostandardrdquo 1-12rdquo Schedule 40 PVC and Parker Series 7094 Electrically Non-Conductive rubber hose The piping system is exposed it is not underground nor isit protected from flame by means of a fire-rated chase Having identified the use of combustible liquids in this occupancy I utilized 2006International Fire Code (as adopted by my jurisdiction) Chapter 34 Flammable andCombustible Liquids to review and inspect the project IFC Section 340362referred me to NFPA 30 Chapter 5 for the construction materials to use where Iinterpreted (2003 version) 30511 to mean that the piping system components (pipetubing flanges bolting gaskets valves fittingshellip) must meet the requirementsregardless of pressure And that the following components specified in theparagraph must meet the requirements ONLY if they contained pressure ndashhelliprdquoexpansion joints and strainers and devices such thathelliprdquo I further interpreted(2003 version) 30531 Material Specifications similarly in that the ldquoPipe valvesfaucets couplingshelliprdquo must meet the requirements regardless of pressure while ldquohellipother pressure-containing partshelliprdquo meant ONLY the other parts that containedpressure Verbatim to 30511 is encountered in 2008 NFPA 30A Chapter 5paragraph 51 Scope The owner states his piping complies with the standard cited because it is gravity-fed hence no ldquopressurerdquo is seen by the piping components I maintain that thepiping system shall consist of metal pipe (or another material meeting therequirements of ASME B31 as allowed by 2003 NFPA 30531) to comply with NFPA30 and IFC Some assistance to resolve this problem is greatly appreciated I have attachedsome photographs for clarification Thanks for your attentionEric

Eric ActonFire MarshalCampbell County Fire Department 106 Rohan Avenue Gillette WY 82716 (307) 682-5319 ext 8912(307) 686-2222 Fax(307) 680-9612 Cell

eactonccfireus (No trees were harmed in the production of this e-mail however a huge number of electrons were horribly inconvenienced)

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From Benedetti BobTo Howard Jim (Woodbridge)Cc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiBcc May PaulSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Monday June 28 2010 115100 AM

Good morning Mr Howard First I appreciate your patience with me while I reviewed the information sent to meby yourself and Mr Luby of Veeder-Root I wanted to ensure that I thoroughlyunderstood how the system functions in its line leak detection mode My understanding of the arrangement of the piping system from the pair ofunderground storage tanks is that the electronic line leak detector the PLLD tests thesupply piping from the two submersible pumps to the dispensers as a single system This includes the direct piping run from the master pump to the dispensers AND thepiping that connects the slave pump to the direct piping run The intent of Subsection 642 of the 2008 edition of NFPA 30A Code for Motor FuelDispensing Facilities and Repair Garages is to ensure that some type of leak detectiondevice monitors the piping from the submersible pump to the dispensers in such amanner that a leak in the piping leading to the dispensers or in the dispensersthemselves is detected and notification of a leak given Since the two pumps act intandem and since the entire piping system from the pumps to the dispensers ismonitored my personal opinion is that the intent of Subsection 642 is met andevaluation of the system described as being equivalent to what is required bySubsection 642 is reasonable Whether the system described meets the criteria of Section 15 Equivalency of NFPA30A must be determined by the authority having jurisdiction As NFPA Staff Liaison forNFPA 30A I cannot make such a determination under NFPArsquos Regulations GoverningCommittee Projects Please understand that this response is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 ofNFPArsquos Regulations Governing Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon todefinitively determine compliance with any laws ordinances rules or regulations Todetermine legal compliance you should refer to the appropriate authority havingjurisdiction or seek legal advice It is not intended nor should it be relied upon toprovide professional consultation or services To determine the adequacy or safety ofany device or installation you should consult with an appropriate professional I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write Iwill be happy to assist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant toNFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does notnecessarily represent the official position of the NFPA or its Technical Committees Inaddition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it be relied upon to provideprofessional consultation or services cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids Engineer

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National Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

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From Howard Jim (Woodbridge) [mailtoJHowardhesscom] Sent Monday June 14 2010 1144 AMTo Benedetti BobCc Howard Jim (Woodbridge) Bob Luby Subject Importance High Bob It was a pleasure talking to you this morning regarding the Line Leak Detection applicationin place at Hess Station 08501 - Milltown DE (drawing attached) as well as several thousandlocations worldwide Here is some background information on this installation

Site had 3 - 10000 gallon gasoline tanks 1 - 10000 Regular (87) 1 - 10000 Plus (89) 1 - 10000 Premium (93) prior to our Dispenser Replacement Project Because of theoverwhelming demand for Regular gasoline (887 in 2009) we converted the existingPlus tank to additional Regular storageDispensers were replaced with new Blend Dispensers Tanks were not manifoldedRegular and former-Plus product lines were manifolded at each dispenserWe installed Veeder-Root PLLDs (Electronic Line Leak Detectors) on the Regular 1and Premium STPs We installed a non-vented Swift Check on Regular 2 (formerPlus) STP Because the PLLD is vented we MUST install a non-vented swift check onRegular STP 2 in order to test the system as a wholeWe have demonstrated via post-construction testing that the system will pick up a 3gph leak

The State of DE has questioned our compliance with NFPA 30A 642 Each pump shallhave installed on the discharge side a listed leak detection device that will provide an audibleor visible indication if the piping or a dispenser is leaking Each leak-detecting device shallbe checked and tested at least annually according to the manufacturers specifications toensure proper installation and operation

Can you comment on whether the system shown on the attached and described above and onour call meets the NFPA requirement or if it meets the definition of Equivalency as definedin Chapter 15 - Equivalency Thank you in advance for your consideration in this matter Please do not hesitate to contactme if there are any questions or concerns on this application ThanksJim Howard RFMPManager Maintenance amp UST ComplianceHess Corporation732-750-6220 (office)800-903-4801 (Emergency Hotline)E-mail UST Inspections to USTCompliancehesscomFax UST Inspections to 866-435-6744

This e-mail and any attachments are for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may containinformation that is confidential If you are not the intended recipient(s) and have received this e-mail in error please immediately notify the sender by return e-mail and delete this e-mail fromyour computer Any distribution disclosure or the taking of any other action by anyone other thanthe intended recipient(s) is strictly prohibited

From Benedetti BobTo Gary KostalCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiBcc May PaulSubject Inquiry NFPA 30 NFPA 30ADate Tuesday August 10 2010 43200 PM

Good afternoon Mr Kostal There are no provisions in NFPA 30 Flammable and Combustible Liquids Code togovern dispensing of motor fuels into motorized equipment and the devices youdescribe are not mentioned at all in NFPA 30 or in the only other related NFPAdocument that might apply NFPA 30A Code for Motor Fuel Dispensing Facilities andRepair Garages I cannot say that these units are either allowed or disallowed because neither NFPA30 nor NFPA 30A speaks about them The only provisions that might apply are the quantity limitations established in thesetwo codes depending on which code applies If the maintenance building is considered an industrial occupancy then Chapter 9 ofNFPA 30 establishes a maximum allowable quantity for of 120 gallons for Class Iliquids (The maximum allowable quantity is actually a threshold value Up to theMAQ compliance with NFPA 30 is not required above it NFPA 30 applies) If the maintenance building is considered a repair garage then NFPA 30A takesprecedence It also sets a 120 gallon limit on the maximum quantity of Class I liquid In both cases the quantity of fuel involved is 50 percent of the maximum allowed Myopinion is that there is no violation of either NFPA 30 or NFPA 30A Please understand that this response is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 ofNFPArsquos Regulations Governing Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon todefinitively determine compliance with any laws ordinances rules or regulations Todetermine legal compliance you should refer to the appropriate authority havingjurisdiction or seek legal advice It is not intended nor should it be relied upon toprovide professional consultation or services To determine the adequacy or safety ofany device or installation you should consult with an appropriate professional I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write Iwill be happy to assist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant toNFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does notnecessarily represent the official position of the NFPA or its Technical Committees Inaddition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it be relied upon to provideprofessional consultation or services cc 30IFI 30AIFI-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch Park

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Quincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg Important Notice This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPA RegulationsAny opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarily represent the officialposition of the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition this correspondence is neither intended norshould it be relied upon to provide professional consultation or services

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From Gary Kostal [mailtogarykbloomingdalefirecom] Sent Monday August 09 2010 328 PMTo Benedetti BobSubject Looking for assistance - portable gas caddies Membership 2329840 Gary KostalFire Prevention DirectorBloomingdale Fire District Question (Non-formal opinion) I have a country club where they service a very large number of lawn maintenance equipment on a dailybasis They are utilizing a portable gas container (gas caddy) that holds approximately 30 gallons ofgasoline The unit is equipped with a hand style pump which is located on the top of the tank Fuel isdispensed from this tank as you crank the pump There are no nozzles located on the hose These gascaddies are being used inside their maintenance building which is fully fire sprinkled They are presentlyusing two of these devices inside the same building which is basically one days use

My question is are these devices allowed for this type of dispensing Are they required to be equippedwith a self closing nozzle What NFPA sections would apply to this particular type of device Thank you for your assistance in this matter

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From Benedetti BobTo SheldonSchallWisconsingovCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Wednesday September 30 2009 45929 PM

Good afternoon Sheldon I will here provide more detailed answers to your questions as posed in the email you sent to me today Section 30A-4323 limits tank storage capacity for Class I and II No limit for Class IIIA or IIIB

You are correct The intent of 4323 is to limit the capacities only of those tanks that storeClass I and II liquids Recall that when NFPA 30A initially allowed aboveground storage tanks atvehicle fueling sites biofuels were not in the picture just gasoline (Class I) and diesel fuel (ClassII) The Technical Committee at the time did not conceive that there would be the need to storeClass III fuels because there werenrsquot any The bottom line NFPA 30A does not limit the capacityof an aboveground storage tank that holds a motor fuel that is a Class III liquid

Section 30A-4324 refers to setbacks in Table 4324 No indication that these setbacks are specific toor exclude any class of flammable or combustible so it appears that the setbacks apply to Class I -Class IIIB liquids This table appears to conflict with the previous section for Class IIIA amp IIIB liquids

This is again correct that the separation distances in Table 4324 are not specific to anyparticular Class of liquid There is no conflict however 4323 deals with tank capacities 4324 deals with separation distances for the tanks Since 4324 does not specify anyparticular liquid class(es) it applies to ALL liquid classes

Section 30A-4325 allows an increased capacity for Class II and III liquids at fleet facilities Thisappears to conflict with section 4323 for Class III liquids which didnt have a capacity limit to startwith

Here there is a conflict or at least a serious inconsistency This provision was added one or twoeditions after 4323 and it appears that biofuels are beginning to be recognized It also appearsthat the intent here was to allow a relaxation of one limit in favor of a more liberal one Theproblem is the original limit doesnrsquot exist making it arguable that the application of 4325 toClass III liquids is meaningless Given the obvious intent here for some limit on Class III liquidfuels 4323 should be amended to include Class IIIs

Section 30A-4327 addresses dispensing from an aboveground tank for Class I and II liquids based uponspecific conditions

Paragraph 4322 is a hold-over dating back to when service stations were covered in Chapter 7of the old versions of NFPA 30 This set of requirements should also be amended to include ClassIIIs

Section 30A-4328 refers to NFPA 30-2171 for spill and overfill This section only applies to class Iand II liquids

While it is true that Subsection 2171 of NFPA 30 only applies to Classes I and II I do not believeit is a conflict for NFPA 30A to also apply it to Class III as well if the Technical Committee it isappropriate to do so However the language needs to be improved or an Annex item should beadded to explain the extrapolation and the reason for it

I will add this to the next meetingrsquos agenda for the Technical Committee on Automotive and MarineService Stations As usual the following applies Please understand that this response to your inquiry is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 of NFPArsquos RegulationsGoverning Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitively determine compliance with anylaws ordinances rules or regulations To determine the adequacy or safety of any device or installationyou should consult with an appropriate professional To determine legal compliance you should refer tothe appropriate authority having jurisdiction or seek legal advice

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I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will be happy toassist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarily represent the official positionof the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it berelied upon to provide professional consultation or services cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

Fire Prevention Week is October 4 ndash 10 2009 Visit wwwfirepreventionweekorg or call 800-344-3555 for moreinformation NFPA Seminars - Apply the codes with confidenceRegister at wwwnfpalearnorg NFPA Membership keeps you up-to-dateVisit wwwnfpaorgjoin for more information Or call 800-344-3555Notice The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for theexclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential andor privileged information If you are not the intendedrecipient please notify Robert Benedetti immediately by replying to the message or by calling (617) 984-7433 Please deletethis message and any attachments from your system Thank you Considering the variables in the sections referenced above are the setbacks in Table 4324 intended toapply to Class IIIA andor Class IIIB liquids for public fueling

From Schall Sheldon - COMMERCE [mailtoSheldonSchallWisconsingov] Sent Wednesday September 30 2009 832 AMTo Benedetti BobSubject NFPA 30A-4324 inquiry - URGENT Section 30A-4323 limits tank storage capacity for Class I and II No limit for Class IIIA or IIIB trueSection 30A-4324 refers to setbacks in Table 4324 No indication that these setbacks are specific toor exclude any class of flammable or combustible so it appears that the setbacks apply to Class I -Class IIIB liquids This table appears to conflict with the previous section for Class IIIA amp IIIB liquids Also trueSection 30A-4325 allows an increased capacity for Class II and III liquids at fleet facilities Thisappears to conflict with section 4323 for Class III liquids which didnt have a capacity limit to startwith Either one or the other needs to changeSection 30A-4327 addresses dispensing from an aboveground tank for Class I and II liquids based uponspecific conditions Need to cover IIIBSection 30A-4328 refers to NFPA 30-2171 for spill and overfill This section only applies to class Iand II liquids Class IIIs need to be specifically addressed Considering the variables in the sections referenced above are the setbacks in Table 4324 intended toapply to Class IIIA andor Class IIIB liquids for public fueling

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From Benedetti BobTo Bill HickmanCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Monday December 14 2009 50332 PM

Good afternoon Mr Hickman To answer your question the separation distances in Table 4324 of NFPA 30A Code for MotorFuel Dispensing Facilities and Repair Garages are intended to apply to outside abovegroundstorage tanks for fuel where such is allowed The tanks inside a service station building majorrepair garage or minor repair garage would likely be handling Class IIIB liquids (flash point gt200 degF) only in accordance with Subsection 4392 of NFPA 30A Subsection 4392 does not set any specific requirements for separation between tanks inside abuilding although it does refer back to Chapters 21 through 23 of NFPA 30 Flammable andCombustible Liquids Code Shell-to-shell spacing distances for aboveground tanks areestablished in Table 22421 Table 22421 is intended for much large tanks than one wouldfind in a repair garage or ldquolube-onlyrdquo facility For example the minimum separation for tanksstoring Class IIIB liquids is 3 feet as set forth in 224212 But again the separationdistances in Chapter 22 of NFPA 30 are intended for tank farm application not for the muchsmaller tanks found in the type of occupancy governed by NFPA 30A Also any facility meeting the requirements of NFPA 30A is considered to be in compliance withNFPA 30 Please understand that this response to your inquiry is a personal opinion and does notconstitute a Formal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 ofNFPArsquos Regulations Governing Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitivelydetermine compliance with any laws ordinances rules or regulations To determine theadequacy or safety of any device or installation you should consult with an appropriateprofessional To determine legal compliance you should refer to the appropriate authorityhaving jurisdiction or seek legal advice I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will behappy to assist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPARegulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarilyrepresent the official position of the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition thiscorrespondence is neither intended nor should it be relied upon to provide professional consultation orservices cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg If you have a reported fire in your home the risk of dyingdecreases by about 80 percent when sprinklers are present

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From Bill Hickman [mailtoBillHickmanstatecous] Sent Tuesday December 01 2009 939 AMTo Benedetti BobSubject Inquiry NFPA 30A - Storage of Liquids Inside Buildings Mr Benedetti Id appreciate your interpretation on an item regarding aboveground tanks storing lubricants (newused oil) inside abuilding at a repair garage NFPA 30A 439 does not include specific spacing requirements for tanks inside buildings Where there are multiple tanks being stored inside the building is there no minimum separation distance requirementthat must be met or do the requirements of Table 4324 apply Thank you in advance for your assistance __________________________________ Bill HickmanInspectorTechnical SpecialistCO Division of Oil amp Public Safety303-378-5090

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From Benedetti BobTo Peznowski EdwardCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Thursday September 03 2009 30455 PM

Hi Ed The 1996 edition of the Flammable and Combustible Liquids Code Handbook was the last one prior to thecurrent 2008 edition The commentary hasnrsquot changed My recollection of the development of this text is that the intent of NFPA 30A Code for Motor FuelDispensing Facilities and Repair Garages is to isolate the motor fuel dispensing area and its attendanthazard completely from the rest of the structure regardless of what else might be in the structure Subsection 524 assumes that the installation involves a motor fuel dispensing operation inside abuilding where you would not expect to have same such as an office building A bus repair facility wouldbe probably classed as a major repair garage and would be expected to have fueling operations Thehazard of this is in my opinion no greater than the repair operations It could be that the language in Subsection 524 needs to be clarified so that it applies only to situationssuch as I first described Please understand that this response to your inquiry is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 of NFPArsquos RegulationsGoverning Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitively determine compliance with anylaws ordinances rules or regulations To determine the adequacy or safety of any device or installationyou should consult with an appropriate professional To determine legal compliance you should refer tothe appropriate authority having jurisdiction or seek legal advice I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will be happy toassist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarily represent the official positionof the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it berelied upon to provide professional consultation or services cc 30AIFI 30AFAQ AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

Fire Prevention Week is October 4 ndash 10 2009 Visit wwwfirepreventionweekorg or call 800-344-3555 for moreinformation NFPA Seminars - Apply the codes with confidenceRegister at wwwnfpalearnorg NFPA Membership keeps you up-to-dateVisit wwwnfpaorgjoin for more information Or call 800-344-3555Notice The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for the

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exclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential andor privileged information If you are not the intendedrecipient please notify Robert Benedetti immediately by replying to the message or by calling (617) 984-7433 Please deletethis message and any attachments from your system Thank you

From Peznowski Edward [mailtoEdwardPeznowskipostatectus] Sent Monday August 31 2009 127 PMTo Benedetti BobSubject NFPA 30A Hi Bob Sorry to bother you but I need your help and interpretation of the following section of NFPA 30A 2000edition 524 - All piping inside buildings but outside the motor fuel dispensing area shall be enclosed within ahorizontal chase or a vertical shaft used only for this piping Vertical shafts and horizontal chases shall beconstructed of materials having a fire resistance rating of not less than 2 hours Bob I have a bus repair facility being built and we have fuel dispensing area within the building enclosedwith a 2hr fire resistive separation My question is I have diesel fuel piping coming from two tanks locatedoutside of the building the piping runs outside of the dispensing area does this piping need to be enclosed Ihave the proper UL listed system for through wall penetrations My problem lies here I have natural gas heating fuel oil lines for boilers and diesel fuel line for thegenerator all running through the area outside the 2 hour rated dispensing area which are not required to beenclosed My thought is within the 2 hour fire resistive construction I have storage rooms for grease and oil a office forfuel dispensing Any fuel piping running through these areas would be enclosed but once I go outside my 2hrrated enclosure the piping would not have to be enclosed NFPA 30A (1996edition)6-42 - All fuel and flammable vapor piping inside buildings but outside the service station area shall beenclosed within a horizontal chase or a vertical shaft used only for this piping Vertical shafts and horizontalchases shall be constructed of materials having a fire resistance rating of not less than 2 hoursCOMMENTARY 6-42 The intent of this requirement is to preserve the isolation of the service stationoperation from the rest of the building I donrsquot have the 2000 handbook for commentary Thanks Bob Edward J PeznowskiFire amp Life Safety SpecialistBureau of EngineeringOffice State Fire Marshal860-685-8350

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From Benedetti BobTo Hamilton James P (HOY)Cc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiSubject Inquiry NFPA 30A-2008Date Monday September 14 2009 115041 AM

Good morning Mr Hamilton The intent of this particular provision of Subsection 672 of NFPA 30A Code for Motor Fuel DispensingFacilities and Repair Garages is to ensure that the patron has access to a second disconnect if he or shecannot reach the primary disconnect ie the one that is between 20 and 100 feet from the dispenser In my opinion all of the emergency disconnects required by Section 67 must be at least 20 ft but normore than 100 ft from the nearest dispenser Please understand that this response to your inquiry is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 of NFPArsquos RegulationsGoverning Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitively determine compliance with anylaws ordinances rules or regulations To determine the adequacy or safety of any device or installationyou should consult with an appropriate professional To determine legal compliance you should refer tothe appropriate authority having jurisdiction or seek legal advice I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will be happy toassist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarily represent the official positionof the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it berelied upon to provide professional consultation or services cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

Fire Prevention Week is October 4 ndash 10 2009 Visit wwwfirepreventionweekorg or call 800-344-3555 for moreinformation NFPA Seminars - Apply the codes with confidenceRegister at wwwnfpalearnorg NFPA Membership keeps you up-to-dateVisit wwwnfpaorgjoin for more information Or call 800-344-3555Notice The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for theexclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential andor privileged information If you are not the intendedrecipient please notify Robert Benedetti immediately by replying to the message or by calling (617) 984-7433 Please deletethis message and any attachments from your system Thank you

From Hamilton James P (HOY) [mailtoHAMILTONJPbechteljacobsorg] Sent Thursday September 10 2009 1224 PMTo Benedetti BobSubject NFPA 30A 2008 Edition

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Importance High

NFPA 30A 672 states at least one additional device or disconnect shall be readily accessible toeach group of dispensing devices on an individual island Our installation does not have islands Should the second emergency shutoff be installed close to the pumps or between 20 and 100 ofthe pumps

Please respond back via email hamiltonjpbechteljacobsorg

Thanks

NFPA 127130 James P Hamilton CFPSTetraTek Inc - Fire Safety TechnologiesFire Protection LeadK-27 Pre-Demo Project 790 Emory Valley Rd 811 Oak Ridge TN 37830 ETTP Office 865-241-1902

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From Benedetti BobTo Scott DavonskiCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Tuesday August 04 2009 92429 AM

Good morning Mr Davonski My opinion is that the intent of the requirement in Subsection 1141 of NFPA 30A Code for Motor FuelDispensing Facilities and Repair Garages is that any hose longer than 18 feet should not simply bestrung along the dockrsquos surface Using a reel would be one means of securing the hose although Irsquomsure other methods such as hangers would work as well Please understand that this response to your inquiry is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 of NFPArsquos RegulationsGoverning Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitively determine compliance with anylaws ordinances rules or regulations To determine the adequacy or safety of any device or installationyou should consult with an appropriate professional To determine legal compliance you should refer tothe appropriate authority having jurisdiction or seek legal advice I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will be happy toassist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarily represent the official positionof the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it berelied upon to provide professional consultation or services cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

Fire Prevention Week is October 4 ndash 10 2009 Visit wwwfirepreventionweekorg or call 800-344-3555 for moreinformation NFPA Seminars - Apply the codes with confidenceRegister at wwwnfpalearnorg NFPA Membership keeps you up-to-dateVisit wwwnfpaorgjoin for more information Or call 800-344-3555Notice The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for theexclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential andor privileged information If you are not the intendedrecipient please notify Robert Benedetti immediately by replying to the message or by calling (617) 984-7433 Please deletethis message and any attachments from your system Thank you

From Scott Davonski [mailtodavonskiRiverheadlicom] Sent Wednesday July 22 2009 1118 AMTo Benedetti BobSubject 30A clarification

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1141 All hose shall be listed Where hose length exceeds 55 m (18 ft) the hose shall besecured so as to protect it from damage Can you provide clarification as to what is meant by ldquosecured so as to protect it fromdamagerdquo Is the standard looking not to have the hoses on the dock In a reel Any clarificationinformation would be appreciated Scott W DavonskiChief Fire MarshalTown of RiverheadP- 631-727-3200 ext 209F- 631-727-3370

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ATTACHMENT No A10
Page 19: TECHNICAL COMMITTEE ON AUTOMOTIVE and MARINE … · SUBJECT: Agenda for ROC Meeting – October 4, 2010 _____ Ladies and Gentlemen: Attached is the Agenda for the NFPA 30A Report

Report on Comments ndash June 2011 NFPA 30A_______________________________________________________________________________________________30A- Log 1

_______________________________________________________________________________________________Alex Ralston Petcon Inc

NARevise text to read as follows

Means shall be provided to sound an audible alarm when the liquid level in the tank reaches 90 percent of capacityMeans shall also be provided either to automatically stop the flow of liquid into the tank when the liquid level reaches 98percent capacity or to restrict the flow of liquid into the tank to a maximum flow rate of 95L min (25 gpm) when theliquid level in the tank reaches 95 percent capacityThe federal underground storage tank rules state that means shall be provided to stop the flow of liquid into the tank

when the liquid reaches 95 percent capacity or restrict the flow into the tank when the liquid level reaches 90 percentcapacity

None given

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Report on Comments ndash June 2011 NFPA 30A_______________________________________________________________________________________________30A- Log 2

_______________________________________________________________________________________________Alex Ralston Petcon Inc

NARevise text to read as follows

On remote pressure pumping systems each pump shall have installed on the discharge side a listed leak detectiondevice that will provide an audible or visible indication if the piping and dispensing devices are not liquid tight Replace with device that will either restrict the flow of product to the dispenser or shut-off the flow of product to

indicate if the piping and dispensing devices are liquid tightThe explanation attempts to explain the federal underground storage tank regulations however the

regulation that provides for an audible or visible alarm relates to overfill prevention in federal regulations not leakdetectionThe regulations on leak detection for pressurized piping in the explanation are correct but if youll note nowhere in the

explanation is audible or visual alarms mentioned

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Report on Comments ndash June 2011 NFPA 30A_______________________________________________________________________________________________30A- Log 8

_______________________________________________________________________________________________Robert Bourke Northeastern Regional Fire Code Development Committee

30A-42Revise to read 623 Fuel-dispensing systems including dispensers hoses nozzleshelliphelliphellip

blended motor fuels shall be listed or approved for the specific purposeThis requirement should only be stating that the equipment is listed for the specific purpose

ldquoApprovedrdquo by definition means ldquoacceptable to the AHJrdquoToo often a Standard may misuse the word ldquoapprovedrdquo in order to not exclude other listing organizations that publish

its list in a document that they refer to as an ldquoApproval Guiderdquo Regardless the document is still a listing

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Report on Comments ndash June 2011 NFPA 30A_______________________________________________________________________________________________30A- Log 3

_______________________________________________________________________________________________David B Wechsler The Dow Chemical Company

30A-34Revise and add new sentences shown under 831 and A831 and modify Table 831 as

indicated831 Table 831 shall be used to delineate and classify areas for the purposes of installing electrical wiring and

electrical utilization equipment (See also Figure 831) WARNING The US National Electrical Code has differentequipment and installation requirements from other International Standards Therefore for example equipment used inEurope may not be acceptable for installation in the USA831 The designation and decision installation and use of electrical equipment for Classes and Divisions in

hazardous (classified) locations are defined Article 500 501 and 504 of NFPA 70 National Electrical Code Thedesignation and design installation and use of electrical equipment for Classes and Zones in hazardous (classified)locations are defined in Article 505 and 504 of NFPA 70 National Electrical Code The designation and designinstallation and use of electrical equipment in lsquoZonesrsquo Zone 0 Zone 1 and Zone 2 are addressed in other internationalstandardsWithin Table 831 add a new column titled ldquoZones and copy the information from the Class I Zone column into this

new columnAlternatively to all of the above remove the ldquoZonesrdquo column completely from Table 831

While the stated intent of this proposal is understood as being to try and deal with the internationalnature of applying NFPA 30A there are problems with the approach presented by a simple extraction from the NECFirst as presented the new column only addresses the US Zone methodology The US Zone methodology for

flammable vapor gases liquids and combustible vapors and liquids is identified by the terms lsquoClass I Zone 0rsquo lsquoClass IZone 1rsquo and lsquoClass I Zone 2rsquo However under the IEC or ATEX (aka Europe International) the terms are simply lsquoZone0rsquo lsquoZone 1rsquo or lsquoZone 2rsquo Therefore the table revision is not correct for international useSecond this TIA and proposal was to lsquoincorporate the (European) Zone System of designating hazardous (classified)

locations and the allowable wiring methods and electrical utilization devices that can be used in themrsquo However the USNEC is not an international code Thus while the US NEC Article 505 does permit the use of the Class I Zonemethodology adding this column in NFPA 30A does not address the more complex nature of the design and installationproblems associated with Zone certified equipment in the US The NEC under Article 5059 Equipment provides for theuse of only AEx equipment as may be seen for example under paragraph ldquo(2) Zone Equipment Equipment meeting oneor more of the protection techniques described in 5058 shall be marked with all of the following in the order shown(1) Class(2) Zone(3) Symbol ldquoAExrdquo(4) Protection technique(s) in accordance with Table 5059(C)(2)(4)(5) Applicable gas classification group(s) in accordance with Table 9(C)(1)(2)Without adding additional text usersinspectors etc may think using Zones is just like using the Division methodology

This is not true and equipment not otherwise permitted under the US NEC may be installed because of the impliedactions currently reflected in this proposal This is a significant issue

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Report on Comments ndash June 2011 NFPA 30A_______________________________________________________________________________________________30A- Log 9

_______________________________________________________________________________________________Donald R Offerdahl North Dakota State Electrical Board

30A-36Insert figure for 831(B)

Insert Artwork Figure 831(A) and 831(B) Here

Proposal 30A-36 should have been accepted in principal these types of storage tanks and dispensersare widely used in farms construction sites and business fleet operations

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Report on Comments ndash June 2011 NFPA 30A_______________________________________________________________________________________________30A- Log 5

_______________________________________________________________________________________________Mindy Wang Ampco Safety Tools

30A-39Not proposing new text Please see comment in Substantiation

Although procedures for cleanup of spills is not within the scope of NFPA 30A we feel compelled toaddress API 2214 referenced by the Committee Information presented below shows API 2214 is misleading andundermines safe work practices In fact API 2214 conflicts with OSHA regulations Accredited Standards Developerrsquosstandards and safe work practices FM Approvals LLC formerly Factory Mutual Research Corporation (FM) is an international organization recognized

by the US government as a Nationally Recognized Testing Laboratory (NRTL) for scientific research and productcertification Product approval from a NRTL assures that products meet consensus-based standards of safety to providethe assurance required by OSHA that these products are safe for use in the United States workplace FM ApprovalStandard 7910 Spark Resistant Tools is used as guidance to evaluate tools intended for use in environments wherethere is a risk of ignition of flammable materials dusts or vapors resulting from sparks created by iron and steel handtools These tools prevent the ignition of flammable materials dusts or vapors by mechanical sparks created by the useof iron and steel hand tools slipping or striking a surface American Petroleum Institute (API) Publication 2214contradicts NRTL research and product certification as evidence in FM Approvals granted for spark resistance toolsFM has conducted tests of Ampco Safety Tools as covered in Report Job Identification No IN4A0AF in accordancewith the requirements of Safety Tools Approval Test Procedure Class 7910 and test results show

Sparks created from steel plates ignited carbon disulfide saturated pads eight of eight tests ethyl ether pads fiveof eight tests and naphtha VMampP four of eight tests

No sparks were observed and no ignition of the flammable liquids mentioned above from approved Ampco SafetyTools Other investigations also contradict APIrsquos conclusion on non-sparking tools A paper published in the Fire Protection

Journal ldquoThe Danger of Incendive Sparksrdquo stated that after APIrsquos conclusion on ldquonon-sparkingrdquo tools Institute ofPetroleum sought the advice of the Fire Research Board Committee on Industrial Fires and Explosion This committeecame to certain conclusions one of which was ldquoUntilhellipevidence is obtained to show that the impact of steel hand toolson steel is safe it is advisable to use non-sparking tools in situations where flammable atmospheres are unavoidablerdquo The NFPA Fire Protection Handbook 20th edition published in January 2008 does not support the conclusion that

API 2214 represents In fact many NFPA codes the use of ldquonon-sparkingrdquo tools in flammable atmospheresAccording to NFPA Fire Protection Handbook ldquoWhen flammable and combustible liquids are stored or handled theliquid is usually exposed to the air at some stage in the operation except where the storage is confined to sealedcontainers that are not filled or opened on the premises or where handling is in closed systems and vapor losses arerecovered Even when the storage or handling is in a closed system there is always the possibility of breaks or leakswhich permit the liquid to escape It is a to eliminate sources of ignition in places where low flashpointflammable liquids are stored handled or used even though no vapor may ordinarily be presentrdquo NFPA 921 Guide for Fire and Explosion Investigations 2008 Edition Chapter 5 Basic Fire Science Table 5711

Reported Burning and Sparking Temperature of Selected Ignition Sources under Mechanical Sparks lists a Steel tooltemperature at 2550degF When working with flammable gases liquids or vapors a potential hazard arises because of thepossibility that sparks produced by steel or iron tools can become an ignition source OSHA Flammable and Combustible Liquids regulation 29 CFR Parts 1910106(b) on tank storage paragraph

1910106(b)(6) states that precaution shall be taken to eliminate or control sources of ignitions including frictional heatand mechanical sparks to prevent the ignition of flammable vapors In OSHA regulation 29 CFR 1910146 Permit-Required Confined Spaces Appendix D Confined Space Pre-Entry

Check List non-sparking tool is listed as one type of entry equipment OSHA 29 CFR 1910146 StandardInterpretations Interpretative guidance and equipment approved for hazardous locations relative to the Permit-RequiredConfined Spaces states that ldquohellipthe standard does not prohibit entry into a permit space where a hazardous flammableatmosphere is at or above the 10 LFL For concentrations at or above 10 LFL paragraph (d) would theemployer to incorporate safe work procedures to address the flammableexplosive hazard (such as equipment approvedfor hazardous locations) in the entry plan for those spaces Electrical equipment as well as other sources of ignition(non-sparking hand tools) be considered and addressed for the hazardous atmosphererdquo OSHA regulation 29 CFR Parts 1910120 Hazardous waste operations and emergency response paragraph

1910120(j)(2)(v) requires that ldquoWhen there is a reasonable possibility of flammable atmospheres being present

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Report on Comments ndash June 2011 NFPA 30Amaterial handling equipment and hand tools shall be of the type to prevent sources of ignition EPA has identifiedsolvents such as xylene acetone ethyl acetate ethyl benzene and ethyl ether commonly used in all industries (theF-list) and discarded commercial chemical products such as acetone benzene ethyl ether and xylene (the P-list andU-list) as ignitable hazardous wastes API members such as ExxonMobil and Chevron as well as others in the petroleum industry such as Valero CITGO

Petroleum Corporation Chem-Supply Pty Ltd Irving Oil Ltd Petrol Star Inc Nova Chemicals and El Paso Corporationregularly the use of ldquonon-sparkingrdquo tools under Accidental Release Measures and Handling and Storage sectionsin the MSDSrsquos for their petroleum products These companies clearly recognize the need for ldquonon-sparkingrdquo tools inworking with and around flammable materials API 2214 Section 12 Background ldquohellipthese engineers pointed out that although numerous opportunities existed for

the production of sparks from violent contact of steel objects with other steel objects there was a negligible record offires resulting from such a causerdquo On the contrary there are a number of documented incidents involving flammablevapors ignited by steel sparks from tools A few examples are as follows

OSHA inspection 300965795 an employee in the process of cleaning loose material from drill piping with ametal hammer While striking the pipe with a hammer an explosion occurred Employee was killed in the explosion onsite

OSHA inspection 2272953 two employees were assigned the job of tending a 100 gallon (water jacket) reactorkettle of methyl methacrylate in the mixing room Employee 1 used a metal wrench (visegrips) to pry open the cover ofa kettle The wrench handle struck the angle iron support for the agitator motor producing a spark Employee 2noticed the spark which was immediately followed by a massive ldquofire ballrdquo Both employees were engulfed in thefireball Employee 3 came to the area to assist the other employees The investigation states that non-sparking toolswere not provided for the employees All three employees received first and second degree burns on their face armsand abdomen Employee 2 also received some third degree burns All three employees were hospitalized

OSHA inspection 124728437 Employee 1 and a coworker both maintenance mechanics were working in a 30inch by 36 inch manhole at a gas station Employee 1 was trying to change a fuel pump while the coworker watchedfrom outside the manhole Employee 1 was using an Allen wrench to loosen the bolts on the fuel pump lead when hecreated a spark that ignited the gas fumes in the manhole causing an explosion Employee 1 suffered burns to hisface hands arms and legs in the explosion and was hospitalized

OSHA inspection 111109237 Employee 1 or 3 attempted to cut a metal pipe with a metal saw whileEmployee 2 was standing on top of one of two 5000 gallon gas tanks trying to remove a tank fitting Sparks from thesaw the pipe wrench or another unknown source ignited the gas vapors which exploded Employees 1 and 3 werekilled of burns at the scene Employee 2 died at the burn center as a result of burns sustained in the explosion

OSHA inspection 102826625 Employee 1 worked for a company that cleans paints and replaces valves in LPand MAPP gas cylinders Before removing an old valve Employee 1 would open the valve to let the residual gas leakout on the loading dock Where there was a large quantity of cylinders Employee 1 would invert the cylinder so theresidual gas could vent faster Employee 1 had an accumulation of a gas and air mixture around his work area Thevapors were ignited either by a spark from the metal screwdriver he was using to open a damaged valve or by an openflame burner approximately 40 feet away There was a fire and explosion The employee sustained 2nd and 3rd degreeburns on the lower half of his body and was hospitalized

OSHA inspection 607366 an employee was sawing an airplane wing into sections with a portable powered handsaw the saw created a spark that caused an explosion of gasoline vapors in the wing fuel tank Employee 1 killed andEmployee 2 injured in explosion and was hospitalized

OSHA inspection 309178523 employer was cited for violating Section 5(a)(1) of the Occupational Safety andHealth Act of 1970 often referred to as the General Duty Clause which requires employers to furnish to each of hisemployees employment and a place of employment which are free from recognized hazards that are causing or arelikely to cause death or serious physical harm to his employees for exposing employee to an explosion hazard byopening the hydrogen tube trailer main valve without using non-sparking tools

OSHA inspection 304994304 employer was cited for violating Section 5(a)(1) of the Occupational Safety andHealth Act of 1970 violation for exposing employee to a fireexplosion hazard while performing maintenance operationson LP gas tanks with ferrous tools One feasible and acceptable abatement method to correct this hazard is toimplement the use of non- sparking toolsThe Report of the BP US Refineries independent Safety Review Panel also known as the Baker Panel Report states

that ldquoPreventing process accidents requires vigilance The passing of time without a process accident is not necessarilyan indicator that all is well and may contribute to a dangerous and growing sense of complacencyrdquo This sample ofOSHA documented events illustrates accidents do happen when proper safety measures are not taken againstmechanical sparks from steel tools as a possible ignition sourceHaving said that we appreciate the Committeersquos time and agree with the Committee that procedures for cleanup of

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Report on Comments ndash June 2011 NFPA 30Aspills is not within the scope of NFPA 30A

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Report on Comments ndash June 2011 NFPA 30A_______________________________________________________________________________________________30A- Log 7

_______________________________________________________________________________________________Robert Bourke Northeastern Regional Fire Code Development Committee

30A-19Add a new section to read 11721 Where approved by the Authority Having Jurisdiction piers

that extend more than 152 m (500 ft) in travel distance from shore shall be permitted to provide a Class I standpipe thatis installed in accordance with NFPA 14 Standard for the Installation of Standpipe and Hose Systems

The TC missed the point in the substantiation of the proposalIt was not the intent of the proposal to obtain additional flexibility of FD use over that which is provided by a Class III

standpipe system The intent of the proposal was to provide relief from the requirement where the local AHJ feels thatthe effectiveness and likelihood of occupant use of fire hoses does not justify the added risk to the occupant or theinstallation and maintenance costs associated with the requisite hose for a Class III system A Class I system would stillprovide FD fire fighting capabilities in jurisdictions where the AHJ prefers occupants to evacuate and not attempt to fightfires beyond portable fire extinguisher capability

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From Benedetti BobTo bcotnerswriorgCc Harrington Greg Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiBcc May PaulSubject Inquiry NFPA 30 amp NFPA 30ADate Thursday July 08 2010 121900 PM

Good Morning Mr Cotner Greg Harrington asked that I respond to your question about the proper use ofintermediate bulk containers Actually an intermediate bulk container is a shipping vessel that must meetrequirements and specifications of the U S Department of Transportation for shippingmaterials from Point A to Point B It is not intended to be a storage vessel althoughthe liquid contained is obviously dispensed from the vessel for use Dispensing of motor fuels is covered by NFPA 30A Code for Motor Fuel DispensingFacilities and Repair Garages NFPA 30A states in Subsection 421 421 Liquids shall be stored in the following(1) Approved closed containers that do not exceed 227 L (60 gal) capacity and arelocated outside buildings(2) Tanks or approved closed containers located inside motor fuel dispensingfacilities or repair garages(3) Aboveground tanks underground tanks and containers in accordance with therequirements of Section 43(4) Tanks supplying marine service stations in accordance with Section 112 Section 43 states the following 432 Aboveground Storage Tanks Except as modified by the provisions of thissubsection aboveground storage tanks shall meet all applicable requirements ofChapters 21 through 23 and 27 of NFPA 30 Flammable and Combustible Liquids Code So in accordance with NFPA 30A Subsection 421(3) indicates that abovegroundstorage of motor fuel must be in a tank that meets the provisions of Section 43 Thelatter in turn references the Chapters in NFPA 30 that deal with fixed storage tanks Nowhere in these chapters is there any reference to an intermediate bulk container Chapter 9 of NFPA 30 does recognize an intermediate bulk container for warehouse-type storage of Class I flammable liquids but does not anticipate continual dispensingand use One could evaluate an intermediate bulk container as a means of long-term storageand dispensing of liquids under the Equivalency clause My opinion is that an intermediate bulk container is not considered a substitute for anaboveground storage tank but this is not specifically stated in the relevant codes This issue will be added to the agendas for the Technical Committees involved Please understand that this response is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 ofNFPArsquos Regulations Governing Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon todefinitively determine compliance with any laws ordinances rules or regulations Todetermine legal compliance you should refer to the appropriate authority havingjurisdiction or seek legal advice It is not intended nor should it be relied upon toprovide professional consultation or services To determine the adequacy or safety ofany device or installation you should consult with an appropriate professional

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I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write Iwill be happy to assist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant toNFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does notnecessarily represent the official position of the NFPA or its Technical Committees Inaddition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it be relied upon to provideprofessional consultation or services cc 30IFI 30AIFI AUVNM FLCSWCNM FLCTANNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

If you have a reported fire in your home the risk of dyingdecreases by about 80 percent when sprinklers are present

wwwfiresprinklerinitiativeorgNotice The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intendedfor the exclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential andor privileged information If you arenot the intended recipient please notify Robert Benedetti immediately by replying to the message or by calling(617) 984-7433 Please delete this message and any attachments from your system Thank you

From Harrington Greg Sent Wednesday July 07 2010 350 PMTo Benedetti BobSubject FW Intermediate Bulk Containers Hi Bob Can you answer the question below Hersquos a friend of mine former inspector with San Antonio FD when Iworked down there now a safety guy at SWRI Thanks a lot --Greg

From Bill Cotner [mailtobcotnerswriorg] Sent Wednesday July 07 2010 332 PMTo Harrington GregSubject Intermediate Bulk Containers Hey Greg howrsquos the heat in Boston here it is a balmy 93 enjoying it I have a question probably out ofyour area but Irsquom sure you know who to route it to We have a group here that wants to dispense fuelfrom a stainless steel IBC into test engines I donrsquot think that is the intended use or what it has beenlisted for Can I get some guidance on this issue I appreciate anything you can do for me Bill Bill CotnerSenior Fire SpecialistEnvironmental Safety and Quality SystemsSouthwest Research InstitutePhone (210) 522-5101Fax (210) 522-5093Mobile (210) 669-7005Email bcotner swriorg

From Benedetti BobTo Ebanks DesmondCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiBcc May PaulSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Monday June 14 2010 35400 PM

Good afternoon Mr Ebanks The intent of Subsection 422 of NFPA 30A Code for Motor Fuel Dispensing Facilities and RepairGarages is that there be no direct piped connection between the aboveground storage tank inthe bulk plant and the fuel dispensing device in the motor fuel dispensing facility In my opinionthis includes any intervening underground storage tank The hazard being addressed is the potential to overfill the underground storage tank due to thestatic head of the liquid in the aboveground storage tank Please understand that this response is a personal opinion and does not constitute a FormalInterpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 of NFPArsquos RegulationsGoverning Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitively determine compliancewith any laws ordinances rules or regulations To determine legal compliance you shouldrefer to the appropriate authority having jurisdiction or seek legal advice It is not intended norshould it be relied upon to provide professional consultation or services To determine theadequacy or safety of any device or installation you should consult with an appropriateprofessional I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will behappy to assist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPARegulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarilyrepresent the official position of the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition thiscorrespondence is neither intended nor should it be relied upon to provide professional consultation orservices cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg Attend the premier event for fire life safety and electrical professionals

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From Ebanks Desmond [mailtoDesmondEbanksgovky] Sent Monday May 24 2010 940 AMTo Benedetti BobSubject bulk storage supply to motor fuel facilities Hi Bob NFPA 30A (2003) 422 gives to positions in relation to motor fuel dispensing facilities (mfdf) that I would like to havefurther clarified for Code intent please The first is that dispensing devices at the mfdf shall not be supplied by ASTs located in the bulk plant Does this implythat supply from a UST (underground storage tank) in the bulk storage facility would be acceptable or to the other extentthat even if the bulk AST supplied a loading rack which in turn supplied a UST both in the bulk facility that supplyfrom the bulk AST is still not permitted The second statement refers to any storage tank at the mfdf saying they shall not be connected by piping to bulkfacility ASTs Similarly does this imply that a UST (underground storage tank) in the bulk storage facility would beacceptable or that if the bulk tank was connected to a loading rack and the loading rack connected by non-permanentmeans to an mfdf tank that this would be permissible RegardsDes EbanksAssistant Petroleum InspectorThe Petroleum InspectorateCayman Islands GovernmentAnderson Square 4th floorPO Box 31213Grand CaymanKY1-1205Cayman IslandsOffice 345 244 3458Mobile 345 925 3317Fax 345 949 0920Email desmondebanksgovky

From Benedetti BobTo Shriniwas BodhankarCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiBcc May PaulSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Monday June 14 2010 50100 PM

Good day Sir There has been no discussion by the Technical Committee on Automotive and Marine ServiceStations to alter the separation distances in Table 4324 of NFPA 30A Code for Motor FuelDispensing Facilities and Repair Garages as they pertain to liquid fuels including high flashpoint diesel fuels Also there have been no proposals to make such a change to NFPA 30A I trust this answers your question R P Benedetti cc -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

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Notice The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for theexclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential andor privileged information If you are not the intendedrecipient please notify Robert Benedetti immediately by replying to the message or by calling (617) 984-7433 Please deletethis message and any attachments from your system Thank you

From Shriniwas Bodhankar [mailtobodhankarenoccom] Sent Tuesday June 01 2010 536 AMTo Maynard Mary Benedetti BobSubject NFPA 30 A Dear sir Reference is made to table no 4324 of NFPA code 30A specifying the minimum distance between storagetanks and dispensing equipment A dispenser should be placed minimum 50 feet away from a bunded abovegroundsteel tank to meet this requirementIn our opinion this is too stringent and uncalled for in case of high flash diesel ( Flash point above 65 degreecentigrade) A bunded tank where spill can be contained within bund is as safe as a vaulted tankfire resistanttankprotected tank Therefore it is equally safe to install an approved dispensing device immediately outside thebund provided the vent of the tank is 4 meters above the grade level on which the dispensing device is installedVarious international oil companies like SHELL amp BP carry similar installations for their fleet customers of dieselMoreover there are standard skids being marketed in EUROPE (even for gasoline) which have storage tanks and

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dispensers on same skid and such an arrangement is accepted by ldquoAuthority Having Jurisdictionrdquo(AHJ)Kindly advise if this standard requirement is being reviewed or otherwise if based on performance based designsuch a requirement may be waived or considered as ldquo highly recommendedrdquo in the leastBased on your feedback we wish to discuss this with AHJ in UAE Regards Regards Shriniwas BodhankarSenior EHS Compliance Officer( Special Projects)Group EHSQ Compliance DepartmentEmirates National Oil Company Limited (ENOC) LLC ENOC House I PO Box 6442Dubai United Arab EmiratesDirect +971 4 313 4437Fax +971 4 313 4482bodhankarenoccom | wwwenoccom

This message together with any attachments contains confidential information and is intended only for the use of theaddressee(s) and may contain information which is covered by legal professional or other privilege If you are not theintended recipient please inform the sender immediately and delete this e-mail You should not copy this e-mail or use itfor any purpose nor disclose its contents to any other person ENOC does not warrant that this transmission is virus freeand will not be liable for any damages resulting from any virus ENOC Dubai UAE

From Benedetti BobTo EActonccfireusCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiBcc May PaulSubject Inquiry NFPA 30A amp NFPA 30Date Monday August 02 2010 44400 PMAttachments DSC06169JPG

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Good day Mr Acton Fire protection provisions for major and minor repair garages and ldquolube-onlyrdquofacilities which is the topic of your concern are provided in NFPA 30A Code for MotorFuel Dispensing Facilities and Repair Garages currently 2008 edition Chapter 5 ofNFPA 30A covers piping systems but its specific provisions focus on piping systemsbetween fuel storage tanks and fuel dispensers Chapter 5 also directly referencesChapter 27 of the 2008 edition of NFPA 30 Flammable and Combustible Liquids Code(successor to Chapter 5 of the 2003 edition) Subsection 527 of NFPA 30A allows piping made from low-melting point materials tobe installed in exposed areas but only in specific locations These are limited tocontainment sumps under dispensers containment sumps for underground fuelstorage tanks and sumps for below-grade piping connections Chapter 5 of NFPA 30Ais silent on piping inside buildings Therefore the user is left with the provisions ofChapter 27 of NFPA 30 NFPA 30 in turn does allow piping fabricated of low melting point materials to beused exposed outdoors or inside buildings with the following provisions ldquo27441 Such materials shall be permitted to be used outdoors above ground orinside buildings provided they meet one of the following conditions (1) They are resistant to damage by fire(2) They are located so that any leakage resulting from failure will not exposepersons important buildings or structures(3) They are located where leakage can be controlled by operation of one or moreaccessible remotely located valvesrdquo Regardless of the material of construction of the piping and components the followinggeneral requirement from Chapter 27 of NFPA 30 always applies ldquo273 General Requirements2731 Performance Standards The design fabrication assembly test and inspectionof piping systems shall be suitable for the working pressures and structural stresses tobe encountered by the piping system Compliance with applicable sections of ASMEB31 Code for Pressure Piping and the provisions of this chapter shall be consideredprima facie evidence of compliance with the foregoing provisions2732 Tightness of Piping Piping systems shall be maintained liquidtight A pipingsystem that has leaks that constitute a hazard shall be emptied of liquid or repaired ina manner acceptable to the authority having jurisdictionrdquo Your interpretation of Subsection 511 of the 2003 edition of NFPA 30 (2711 in the2008 edition) is correct the chapter applies to any piping system that handles aflammable or combustible liquid regardless of pressure Likewise you are correct thatthe piping system must meet the provisions of ASME B31 for the material chosen andthe anticipated operating pressures and temperatures (531 in the 2003 edition 2741 in the 2008 edition) However low melting point materials (aluminum copperbrass and polymeric materials) are allowed under the provisions of Subsection 534(2003 edition) and 2744 (2008 edition) What must be determined is does thepiping system comply with one of the conditions stated in 27441 as stated above

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Please understand that this response is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 ofNFPArsquos Regulations Governing Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon todefinitively determine compliance with any laws ordinances rules or regulations Todetermine legal compliance you should refer to the appropriate authority havingjurisdiction or seek legal advice It is not intended nor should it be relied upon toprovide professional consultation or services To determine the adequacy or safety ofany device or installation you should consult with an appropriate professional I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write Iwill be happy to assist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant toNFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does notnecessarily represent the official position of the NFPA or its Technical Committees Inaddition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it be relied upon to provideprofessional consultation or services cc 30IFI 30AIFI AUVNM FLCTANNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

If you have a reported fire in your home the risk of dyingdecreases by about 80 percent when sprinklers are present

wwwfiresprinklerinitiativeorgNotice The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intendedfor the exclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential andor privileged information If you arenot the intended recipient please notify Robert Benedetti immediately by replying to the message or by calling(617) 984-7433 Please delete this message and any attachments from your system Thank you

From Eric Acton [mailtoEActonccfireus] Sent Monday July 19 2010 636 PMTo Benedetti BobSubject InterpretationOpinion request

Good day My name is Eric Acton I am the Fire Marshal for Campbell CountyWyoming and Irsquom employed by Campbell County Fire Department My NFPA

membership number is 2755369 My mailing and email addresses are listed below I am in need of a technical opinion regarding 2003 NFPA 30 Chapter 5 or morecurrently 2008 NFPA 30A Chapter 5 Some brief project backgroundAn owner within my jurisdiction has built a commercial lube-oil center to servicecustomersrsquo vehicles A ldquopitrdquo exists below the service bay to allow workers to drainthe oil from the vehicle then workers on the main floor refill the oil by use ofpressurized nozzles Several motor oil storage tanks are located in the pitaccounting for several brands and viscosities of oil The tanks are designed to befilled by use of a piping system which extends from an exterior connection vault toeach of the storage tanks using gravity to move the product in the fill-pipingsystem The material the owner chose to construct the fill-piping system wasldquostandardrdquo 1-12rdquo Schedule 40 PVC and Parker Series 7094 Electrically Non-Conductive rubber hose The piping system is exposed it is not underground nor isit protected from flame by means of a fire-rated chase Having identified the use of combustible liquids in this occupancy I utilized 2006International Fire Code (as adopted by my jurisdiction) Chapter 34 Flammable andCombustible Liquids to review and inspect the project IFC Section 340362referred me to NFPA 30 Chapter 5 for the construction materials to use where Iinterpreted (2003 version) 30511 to mean that the piping system components (pipetubing flanges bolting gaskets valves fittingshellip) must meet the requirementsregardless of pressure And that the following components specified in theparagraph must meet the requirements ONLY if they contained pressure ndashhelliprdquoexpansion joints and strainers and devices such thathelliprdquo I further interpreted(2003 version) 30531 Material Specifications similarly in that the ldquoPipe valvesfaucets couplingshelliprdquo must meet the requirements regardless of pressure while ldquohellipother pressure-containing partshelliprdquo meant ONLY the other parts that containedpressure Verbatim to 30511 is encountered in 2008 NFPA 30A Chapter 5paragraph 51 Scope The owner states his piping complies with the standard cited because it is gravity-fed hence no ldquopressurerdquo is seen by the piping components I maintain that thepiping system shall consist of metal pipe (or another material meeting therequirements of ASME B31 as allowed by 2003 NFPA 30531) to comply with NFPA30 and IFC Some assistance to resolve this problem is greatly appreciated I have attachedsome photographs for clarification Thanks for your attentionEric

Eric ActonFire MarshalCampbell County Fire Department 106 Rohan Avenue Gillette WY 82716 (307) 682-5319 ext 8912(307) 686-2222 Fax(307) 680-9612 Cell

eactonccfireus (No trees were harmed in the production of this e-mail however a huge number of electrons were horribly inconvenienced)

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From Benedetti BobTo Howard Jim (Woodbridge)Cc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiBcc May PaulSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Monday June 28 2010 115100 AM

Good morning Mr Howard First I appreciate your patience with me while I reviewed the information sent to meby yourself and Mr Luby of Veeder-Root I wanted to ensure that I thoroughlyunderstood how the system functions in its line leak detection mode My understanding of the arrangement of the piping system from the pair ofunderground storage tanks is that the electronic line leak detector the PLLD tests thesupply piping from the two submersible pumps to the dispensers as a single system This includes the direct piping run from the master pump to the dispensers AND thepiping that connects the slave pump to the direct piping run The intent of Subsection 642 of the 2008 edition of NFPA 30A Code for Motor FuelDispensing Facilities and Repair Garages is to ensure that some type of leak detectiondevice monitors the piping from the submersible pump to the dispensers in such amanner that a leak in the piping leading to the dispensers or in the dispensersthemselves is detected and notification of a leak given Since the two pumps act intandem and since the entire piping system from the pumps to the dispensers ismonitored my personal opinion is that the intent of Subsection 642 is met andevaluation of the system described as being equivalent to what is required bySubsection 642 is reasonable Whether the system described meets the criteria of Section 15 Equivalency of NFPA30A must be determined by the authority having jurisdiction As NFPA Staff Liaison forNFPA 30A I cannot make such a determination under NFPArsquos Regulations GoverningCommittee Projects Please understand that this response is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 ofNFPArsquos Regulations Governing Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon todefinitively determine compliance with any laws ordinances rules or regulations Todetermine legal compliance you should refer to the appropriate authority havingjurisdiction or seek legal advice It is not intended nor should it be relied upon toprovide professional consultation or services To determine the adequacy or safety ofany device or installation you should consult with an appropriate professional I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write Iwill be happy to assist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant toNFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does notnecessarily represent the official position of the NFPA or its Technical Committees Inaddition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it be relied upon to provideprofessional consultation or services cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids Engineer

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National Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

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From Howard Jim (Woodbridge) [mailtoJHowardhesscom] Sent Monday June 14 2010 1144 AMTo Benedetti BobCc Howard Jim (Woodbridge) Bob Luby Subject Importance High Bob It was a pleasure talking to you this morning regarding the Line Leak Detection applicationin place at Hess Station 08501 - Milltown DE (drawing attached) as well as several thousandlocations worldwide Here is some background information on this installation

Site had 3 - 10000 gallon gasoline tanks 1 - 10000 Regular (87) 1 - 10000 Plus (89) 1 - 10000 Premium (93) prior to our Dispenser Replacement Project Because of theoverwhelming demand for Regular gasoline (887 in 2009) we converted the existingPlus tank to additional Regular storageDispensers were replaced with new Blend Dispensers Tanks were not manifoldedRegular and former-Plus product lines were manifolded at each dispenserWe installed Veeder-Root PLLDs (Electronic Line Leak Detectors) on the Regular 1and Premium STPs We installed a non-vented Swift Check on Regular 2 (formerPlus) STP Because the PLLD is vented we MUST install a non-vented swift check onRegular STP 2 in order to test the system as a wholeWe have demonstrated via post-construction testing that the system will pick up a 3gph leak

The State of DE has questioned our compliance with NFPA 30A 642 Each pump shallhave installed on the discharge side a listed leak detection device that will provide an audibleor visible indication if the piping or a dispenser is leaking Each leak-detecting device shallbe checked and tested at least annually according to the manufacturers specifications toensure proper installation and operation

Can you comment on whether the system shown on the attached and described above and onour call meets the NFPA requirement or if it meets the definition of Equivalency as definedin Chapter 15 - Equivalency Thank you in advance for your consideration in this matter Please do not hesitate to contactme if there are any questions or concerns on this application ThanksJim Howard RFMPManager Maintenance amp UST ComplianceHess Corporation732-750-6220 (office)800-903-4801 (Emergency Hotline)E-mail UST Inspections to USTCompliancehesscomFax UST Inspections to 866-435-6744

This e-mail and any attachments are for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may containinformation that is confidential If you are not the intended recipient(s) and have received this e-mail in error please immediately notify the sender by return e-mail and delete this e-mail fromyour computer Any distribution disclosure or the taking of any other action by anyone other thanthe intended recipient(s) is strictly prohibited

From Benedetti BobTo Gary KostalCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiBcc May PaulSubject Inquiry NFPA 30 NFPA 30ADate Tuesday August 10 2010 43200 PM

Good afternoon Mr Kostal There are no provisions in NFPA 30 Flammable and Combustible Liquids Code togovern dispensing of motor fuels into motorized equipment and the devices youdescribe are not mentioned at all in NFPA 30 or in the only other related NFPAdocument that might apply NFPA 30A Code for Motor Fuel Dispensing Facilities andRepair Garages I cannot say that these units are either allowed or disallowed because neither NFPA30 nor NFPA 30A speaks about them The only provisions that might apply are the quantity limitations established in thesetwo codes depending on which code applies If the maintenance building is considered an industrial occupancy then Chapter 9 ofNFPA 30 establishes a maximum allowable quantity for of 120 gallons for Class Iliquids (The maximum allowable quantity is actually a threshold value Up to theMAQ compliance with NFPA 30 is not required above it NFPA 30 applies) If the maintenance building is considered a repair garage then NFPA 30A takesprecedence It also sets a 120 gallon limit on the maximum quantity of Class I liquid In both cases the quantity of fuel involved is 50 percent of the maximum allowed Myopinion is that there is no violation of either NFPA 30 or NFPA 30A Please understand that this response is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 ofNFPArsquos Regulations Governing Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon todefinitively determine compliance with any laws ordinances rules or regulations Todetermine legal compliance you should refer to the appropriate authority havingjurisdiction or seek legal advice It is not intended nor should it be relied upon toprovide professional consultation or services To determine the adequacy or safety ofany device or installation you should consult with an appropriate professional I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write Iwill be happy to assist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant toNFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does notnecessarily represent the official position of the NFPA or its Technical Committees Inaddition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it be relied upon to provideprofessional consultation or services cc 30IFI 30AIFI-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch Park

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Quincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg Important Notice This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPA RegulationsAny opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarily represent the officialposition of the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition this correspondence is neither intended norshould it be relied upon to provide professional consultation or services

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From Gary Kostal [mailtogarykbloomingdalefirecom] Sent Monday August 09 2010 328 PMTo Benedetti BobSubject Looking for assistance - portable gas caddies Membership 2329840 Gary KostalFire Prevention DirectorBloomingdale Fire District Question (Non-formal opinion) I have a country club where they service a very large number of lawn maintenance equipment on a dailybasis They are utilizing a portable gas container (gas caddy) that holds approximately 30 gallons ofgasoline The unit is equipped with a hand style pump which is located on the top of the tank Fuel isdispensed from this tank as you crank the pump There are no nozzles located on the hose These gascaddies are being used inside their maintenance building which is fully fire sprinkled They are presentlyusing two of these devices inside the same building which is basically one days use

My question is are these devices allowed for this type of dispensing Are they required to be equippedwith a self closing nozzle What NFPA sections would apply to this particular type of device Thank you for your assistance in this matter

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From Benedetti BobTo SheldonSchallWisconsingovCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Wednesday September 30 2009 45929 PM

Good afternoon Sheldon I will here provide more detailed answers to your questions as posed in the email you sent to me today Section 30A-4323 limits tank storage capacity for Class I and II No limit for Class IIIA or IIIB

You are correct The intent of 4323 is to limit the capacities only of those tanks that storeClass I and II liquids Recall that when NFPA 30A initially allowed aboveground storage tanks atvehicle fueling sites biofuels were not in the picture just gasoline (Class I) and diesel fuel (ClassII) The Technical Committee at the time did not conceive that there would be the need to storeClass III fuels because there werenrsquot any The bottom line NFPA 30A does not limit the capacityof an aboveground storage tank that holds a motor fuel that is a Class III liquid

Section 30A-4324 refers to setbacks in Table 4324 No indication that these setbacks are specific toor exclude any class of flammable or combustible so it appears that the setbacks apply to Class I -Class IIIB liquids This table appears to conflict with the previous section for Class IIIA amp IIIB liquids

This is again correct that the separation distances in Table 4324 are not specific to anyparticular Class of liquid There is no conflict however 4323 deals with tank capacities 4324 deals with separation distances for the tanks Since 4324 does not specify anyparticular liquid class(es) it applies to ALL liquid classes

Section 30A-4325 allows an increased capacity for Class II and III liquids at fleet facilities Thisappears to conflict with section 4323 for Class III liquids which didnt have a capacity limit to startwith

Here there is a conflict or at least a serious inconsistency This provision was added one or twoeditions after 4323 and it appears that biofuels are beginning to be recognized It also appearsthat the intent here was to allow a relaxation of one limit in favor of a more liberal one Theproblem is the original limit doesnrsquot exist making it arguable that the application of 4325 toClass III liquids is meaningless Given the obvious intent here for some limit on Class III liquidfuels 4323 should be amended to include Class IIIs

Section 30A-4327 addresses dispensing from an aboveground tank for Class I and II liquids based uponspecific conditions

Paragraph 4322 is a hold-over dating back to when service stations were covered in Chapter 7of the old versions of NFPA 30 This set of requirements should also be amended to include ClassIIIs

Section 30A-4328 refers to NFPA 30-2171 for spill and overfill This section only applies to class Iand II liquids

While it is true that Subsection 2171 of NFPA 30 only applies to Classes I and II I do not believeit is a conflict for NFPA 30A to also apply it to Class III as well if the Technical Committee it isappropriate to do so However the language needs to be improved or an Annex item should beadded to explain the extrapolation and the reason for it

I will add this to the next meetingrsquos agenda for the Technical Committee on Automotive and MarineService Stations As usual the following applies Please understand that this response to your inquiry is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 of NFPArsquos RegulationsGoverning Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitively determine compliance with anylaws ordinances rules or regulations To determine the adequacy or safety of any device or installationyou should consult with an appropriate professional To determine legal compliance you should refer tothe appropriate authority having jurisdiction or seek legal advice

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I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will be happy toassist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarily represent the official positionof the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it berelied upon to provide professional consultation or services cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

Fire Prevention Week is October 4 ndash 10 2009 Visit wwwfirepreventionweekorg or call 800-344-3555 for moreinformation NFPA Seminars - Apply the codes with confidenceRegister at wwwnfpalearnorg NFPA Membership keeps you up-to-dateVisit wwwnfpaorgjoin for more information Or call 800-344-3555Notice The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for theexclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential andor privileged information If you are not the intendedrecipient please notify Robert Benedetti immediately by replying to the message or by calling (617) 984-7433 Please deletethis message and any attachments from your system Thank you Considering the variables in the sections referenced above are the setbacks in Table 4324 intended toapply to Class IIIA andor Class IIIB liquids for public fueling

From Schall Sheldon - COMMERCE [mailtoSheldonSchallWisconsingov] Sent Wednesday September 30 2009 832 AMTo Benedetti BobSubject NFPA 30A-4324 inquiry - URGENT Section 30A-4323 limits tank storage capacity for Class I and II No limit for Class IIIA or IIIB trueSection 30A-4324 refers to setbacks in Table 4324 No indication that these setbacks are specific toor exclude any class of flammable or combustible so it appears that the setbacks apply to Class I -Class IIIB liquids This table appears to conflict with the previous section for Class IIIA amp IIIB liquids Also trueSection 30A-4325 allows an increased capacity for Class II and III liquids at fleet facilities Thisappears to conflict with section 4323 for Class III liquids which didnt have a capacity limit to startwith Either one or the other needs to changeSection 30A-4327 addresses dispensing from an aboveground tank for Class I and II liquids based uponspecific conditions Need to cover IIIBSection 30A-4328 refers to NFPA 30-2171 for spill and overfill This section only applies to class Iand II liquids Class IIIs need to be specifically addressed Considering the variables in the sections referenced above are the setbacks in Table 4324 intended toapply to Class IIIA andor Class IIIB liquids for public fueling

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From Benedetti BobTo Bill HickmanCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Monday December 14 2009 50332 PM

Good afternoon Mr Hickman To answer your question the separation distances in Table 4324 of NFPA 30A Code for MotorFuel Dispensing Facilities and Repair Garages are intended to apply to outside abovegroundstorage tanks for fuel where such is allowed The tanks inside a service station building majorrepair garage or minor repair garage would likely be handling Class IIIB liquids (flash point gt200 degF) only in accordance with Subsection 4392 of NFPA 30A Subsection 4392 does not set any specific requirements for separation between tanks inside abuilding although it does refer back to Chapters 21 through 23 of NFPA 30 Flammable andCombustible Liquids Code Shell-to-shell spacing distances for aboveground tanks areestablished in Table 22421 Table 22421 is intended for much large tanks than one wouldfind in a repair garage or ldquolube-onlyrdquo facility For example the minimum separation for tanksstoring Class IIIB liquids is 3 feet as set forth in 224212 But again the separationdistances in Chapter 22 of NFPA 30 are intended for tank farm application not for the muchsmaller tanks found in the type of occupancy governed by NFPA 30A Also any facility meeting the requirements of NFPA 30A is considered to be in compliance withNFPA 30 Please understand that this response to your inquiry is a personal opinion and does notconstitute a Formal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 ofNFPArsquos Regulations Governing Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitivelydetermine compliance with any laws ordinances rules or regulations To determine theadequacy or safety of any device or installation you should consult with an appropriateprofessional To determine legal compliance you should refer to the appropriate authorityhaving jurisdiction or seek legal advice I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will behappy to assist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPARegulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarilyrepresent the official position of the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition thiscorrespondence is neither intended nor should it be relied upon to provide professional consultation orservices cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg If you have a reported fire in your home the risk of dyingdecreases by about 80 percent when sprinklers are present

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From Bill Hickman [mailtoBillHickmanstatecous] Sent Tuesday December 01 2009 939 AMTo Benedetti BobSubject Inquiry NFPA 30A - Storage of Liquids Inside Buildings Mr Benedetti Id appreciate your interpretation on an item regarding aboveground tanks storing lubricants (newused oil) inside abuilding at a repair garage NFPA 30A 439 does not include specific spacing requirements for tanks inside buildings Where there are multiple tanks being stored inside the building is there no minimum separation distance requirementthat must be met or do the requirements of Table 4324 apply Thank you in advance for your assistance __________________________________ Bill HickmanInspectorTechnical SpecialistCO Division of Oil amp Public Safety303-378-5090

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From Benedetti BobTo Peznowski EdwardCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Thursday September 03 2009 30455 PM

Hi Ed The 1996 edition of the Flammable and Combustible Liquids Code Handbook was the last one prior to thecurrent 2008 edition The commentary hasnrsquot changed My recollection of the development of this text is that the intent of NFPA 30A Code for Motor FuelDispensing Facilities and Repair Garages is to isolate the motor fuel dispensing area and its attendanthazard completely from the rest of the structure regardless of what else might be in the structure Subsection 524 assumes that the installation involves a motor fuel dispensing operation inside abuilding where you would not expect to have same such as an office building A bus repair facility wouldbe probably classed as a major repair garage and would be expected to have fueling operations Thehazard of this is in my opinion no greater than the repair operations It could be that the language in Subsection 524 needs to be clarified so that it applies only to situationssuch as I first described Please understand that this response to your inquiry is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 of NFPArsquos RegulationsGoverning Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitively determine compliance with anylaws ordinances rules or regulations To determine the adequacy or safety of any device or installationyou should consult with an appropriate professional To determine legal compliance you should refer tothe appropriate authority having jurisdiction or seek legal advice I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will be happy toassist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarily represent the official positionof the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it berelied upon to provide professional consultation or services cc 30AIFI 30AFAQ AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

Fire Prevention Week is October 4 ndash 10 2009 Visit wwwfirepreventionweekorg or call 800-344-3555 for moreinformation NFPA Seminars - Apply the codes with confidenceRegister at wwwnfpalearnorg NFPA Membership keeps you up-to-dateVisit wwwnfpaorgjoin for more information Or call 800-344-3555Notice The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for the

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exclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential andor privileged information If you are not the intendedrecipient please notify Robert Benedetti immediately by replying to the message or by calling (617) 984-7433 Please deletethis message and any attachments from your system Thank you

From Peznowski Edward [mailtoEdwardPeznowskipostatectus] Sent Monday August 31 2009 127 PMTo Benedetti BobSubject NFPA 30A Hi Bob Sorry to bother you but I need your help and interpretation of the following section of NFPA 30A 2000edition 524 - All piping inside buildings but outside the motor fuel dispensing area shall be enclosed within ahorizontal chase or a vertical shaft used only for this piping Vertical shafts and horizontal chases shall beconstructed of materials having a fire resistance rating of not less than 2 hours Bob I have a bus repair facility being built and we have fuel dispensing area within the building enclosedwith a 2hr fire resistive separation My question is I have diesel fuel piping coming from two tanks locatedoutside of the building the piping runs outside of the dispensing area does this piping need to be enclosed Ihave the proper UL listed system for through wall penetrations My problem lies here I have natural gas heating fuel oil lines for boilers and diesel fuel line for thegenerator all running through the area outside the 2 hour rated dispensing area which are not required to beenclosed My thought is within the 2 hour fire resistive construction I have storage rooms for grease and oil a office forfuel dispensing Any fuel piping running through these areas would be enclosed but once I go outside my 2hrrated enclosure the piping would not have to be enclosed NFPA 30A (1996edition)6-42 - All fuel and flammable vapor piping inside buildings but outside the service station area shall beenclosed within a horizontal chase or a vertical shaft used only for this piping Vertical shafts and horizontalchases shall be constructed of materials having a fire resistance rating of not less than 2 hoursCOMMENTARY 6-42 The intent of this requirement is to preserve the isolation of the service stationoperation from the rest of the building I donrsquot have the 2000 handbook for commentary Thanks Bob Edward J PeznowskiFire amp Life Safety SpecialistBureau of EngineeringOffice State Fire Marshal860-685-8350

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From Benedetti BobTo Hamilton James P (HOY)Cc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiSubject Inquiry NFPA 30A-2008Date Monday September 14 2009 115041 AM

Good morning Mr Hamilton The intent of this particular provision of Subsection 672 of NFPA 30A Code for Motor Fuel DispensingFacilities and Repair Garages is to ensure that the patron has access to a second disconnect if he or shecannot reach the primary disconnect ie the one that is between 20 and 100 feet from the dispenser In my opinion all of the emergency disconnects required by Section 67 must be at least 20 ft but normore than 100 ft from the nearest dispenser Please understand that this response to your inquiry is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 of NFPArsquos RegulationsGoverning Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitively determine compliance with anylaws ordinances rules or regulations To determine the adequacy or safety of any device or installationyou should consult with an appropriate professional To determine legal compliance you should refer tothe appropriate authority having jurisdiction or seek legal advice I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will be happy toassist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarily represent the official positionof the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it berelied upon to provide professional consultation or services cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

Fire Prevention Week is October 4 ndash 10 2009 Visit wwwfirepreventionweekorg or call 800-344-3555 for moreinformation NFPA Seminars - Apply the codes with confidenceRegister at wwwnfpalearnorg NFPA Membership keeps you up-to-dateVisit wwwnfpaorgjoin for more information Or call 800-344-3555Notice The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for theexclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential andor privileged information If you are not the intendedrecipient please notify Robert Benedetti immediately by replying to the message or by calling (617) 984-7433 Please deletethis message and any attachments from your system Thank you

From Hamilton James P (HOY) [mailtoHAMILTONJPbechteljacobsorg] Sent Thursday September 10 2009 1224 PMTo Benedetti BobSubject NFPA 30A 2008 Edition

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Importance High

NFPA 30A 672 states at least one additional device or disconnect shall be readily accessible toeach group of dispensing devices on an individual island Our installation does not have islands Should the second emergency shutoff be installed close to the pumps or between 20 and 100 ofthe pumps

Please respond back via email hamiltonjpbechteljacobsorg

Thanks

NFPA 127130 James P Hamilton CFPSTetraTek Inc - Fire Safety TechnologiesFire Protection LeadK-27 Pre-Demo Project 790 Emory Valley Rd 811 Oak Ridge TN 37830 ETTP Office 865-241-1902

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From Benedetti BobTo Scott DavonskiCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Tuesday August 04 2009 92429 AM

Good morning Mr Davonski My opinion is that the intent of the requirement in Subsection 1141 of NFPA 30A Code for Motor FuelDispensing Facilities and Repair Garages is that any hose longer than 18 feet should not simply bestrung along the dockrsquos surface Using a reel would be one means of securing the hose although Irsquomsure other methods such as hangers would work as well Please understand that this response to your inquiry is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 of NFPArsquos RegulationsGoverning Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitively determine compliance with anylaws ordinances rules or regulations To determine the adequacy or safety of any device or installationyou should consult with an appropriate professional To determine legal compliance you should refer tothe appropriate authority having jurisdiction or seek legal advice I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will be happy toassist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarily represent the official positionof the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it berelied upon to provide professional consultation or services cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

Fire Prevention Week is October 4 ndash 10 2009 Visit wwwfirepreventionweekorg or call 800-344-3555 for moreinformation NFPA Seminars - Apply the codes with confidenceRegister at wwwnfpalearnorg NFPA Membership keeps you up-to-dateVisit wwwnfpaorgjoin for more information Or call 800-344-3555Notice The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for theexclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential andor privileged information If you are not the intendedrecipient please notify Robert Benedetti immediately by replying to the message or by calling (617) 984-7433 Please deletethis message and any attachments from your system Thank you

From Scott Davonski [mailtodavonskiRiverheadlicom] Sent Wednesday July 22 2009 1118 AMTo Benedetti BobSubject 30A clarification

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1141 All hose shall be listed Where hose length exceeds 55 m (18 ft) the hose shall besecured so as to protect it from damage Can you provide clarification as to what is meant by ldquosecured so as to protect it fromdamagerdquo Is the standard looking not to have the hoses on the dock In a reel Any clarificationinformation would be appreciated Scott W DavonskiChief Fire MarshalTown of RiverheadP- 631-727-3200 ext 209F- 631-727-3370

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ATTACHMENT No A10
Page 20: TECHNICAL COMMITTEE ON AUTOMOTIVE and MARINE … · SUBJECT: Agenda for ROC Meeting – October 4, 2010 _____ Ladies and Gentlemen: Attached is the Agenda for the NFPA 30A Report

Report on Comments ndash June 2011 NFPA 30A_______________________________________________________________________________________________30A- Log 2

_______________________________________________________________________________________________Alex Ralston Petcon Inc

NARevise text to read as follows

On remote pressure pumping systems each pump shall have installed on the discharge side a listed leak detectiondevice that will provide an audible or visible indication if the piping and dispensing devices are not liquid tight Replace with device that will either restrict the flow of product to the dispenser or shut-off the flow of product to

indicate if the piping and dispensing devices are liquid tightThe explanation attempts to explain the federal underground storage tank regulations however the

regulation that provides for an audible or visible alarm relates to overfill prevention in federal regulations not leakdetectionThe regulations on leak detection for pressurized piping in the explanation are correct but if youll note nowhere in the

explanation is audible or visual alarms mentioned

5Printed on 9132010

Report on Comments ndash June 2011 NFPA 30A_______________________________________________________________________________________________30A- Log 8

_______________________________________________________________________________________________Robert Bourke Northeastern Regional Fire Code Development Committee

30A-42Revise to read 623 Fuel-dispensing systems including dispensers hoses nozzleshelliphelliphellip

blended motor fuels shall be listed or approved for the specific purposeThis requirement should only be stating that the equipment is listed for the specific purpose

ldquoApprovedrdquo by definition means ldquoacceptable to the AHJrdquoToo often a Standard may misuse the word ldquoapprovedrdquo in order to not exclude other listing organizations that publish

its list in a document that they refer to as an ldquoApproval Guiderdquo Regardless the document is still a listing

6Printed on 9132010

Report on Comments ndash June 2011 NFPA 30A_______________________________________________________________________________________________30A- Log 3

_______________________________________________________________________________________________David B Wechsler The Dow Chemical Company

30A-34Revise and add new sentences shown under 831 and A831 and modify Table 831 as

indicated831 Table 831 shall be used to delineate and classify areas for the purposes of installing electrical wiring and

electrical utilization equipment (See also Figure 831) WARNING The US National Electrical Code has differentequipment and installation requirements from other International Standards Therefore for example equipment used inEurope may not be acceptable for installation in the USA831 The designation and decision installation and use of electrical equipment for Classes and Divisions in

hazardous (classified) locations are defined Article 500 501 and 504 of NFPA 70 National Electrical Code Thedesignation and design installation and use of electrical equipment for Classes and Zones in hazardous (classified)locations are defined in Article 505 and 504 of NFPA 70 National Electrical Code The designation and designinstallation and use of electrical equipment in lsquoZonesrsquo Zone 0 Zone 1 and Zone 2 are addressed in other internationalstandardsWithin Table 831 add a new column titled ldquoZones and copy the information from the Class I Zone column into this

new columnAlternatively to all of the above remove the ldquoZonesrdquo column completely from Table 831

While the stated intent of this proposal is understood as being to try and deal with the internationalnature of applying NFPA 30A there are problems with the approach presented by a simple extraction from the NECFirst as presented the new column only addresses the US Zone methodology The US Zone methodology for

flammable vapor gases liquids and combustible vapors and liquids is identified by the terms lsquoClass I Zone 0rsquo lsquoClass IZone 1rsquo and lsquoClass I Zone 2rsquo However under the IEC or ATEX (aka Europe International) the terms are simply lsquoZone0rsquo lsquoZone 1rsquo or lsquoZone 2rsquo Therefore the table revision is not correct for international useSecond this TIA and proposal was to lsquoincorporate the (European) Zone System of designating hazardous (classified)

locations and the allowable wiring methods and electrical utilization devices that can be used in themrsquo However the USNEC is not an international code Thus while the US NEC Article 505 does permit the use of the Class I Zonemethodology adding this column in NFPA 30A does not address the more complex nature of the design and installationproblems associated with Zone certified equipment in the US The NEC under Article 5059 Equipment provides for theuse of only AEx equipment as may be seen for example under paragraph ldquo(2) Zone Equipment Equipment meeting oneor more of the protection techniques described in 5058 shall be marked with all of the following in the order shown(1) Class(2) Zone(3) Symbol ldquoAExrdquo(4) Protection technique(s) in accordance with Table 5059(C)(2)(4)(5) Applicable gas classification group(s) in accordance with Table 9(C)(1)(2)Without adding additional text usersinspectors etc may think using Zones is just like using the Division methodology

This is not true and equipment not otherwise permitted under the US NEC may be installed because of the impliedactions currently reflected in this proposal This is a significant issue

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Report on Comments ndash June 2011 NFPA 30A_______________________________________________________________________________________________30A- Log 9

_______________________________________________________________________________________________Donald R Offerdahl North Dakota State Electrical Board

30A-36Insert figure for 831(B)

Insert Artwork Figure 831(A) and 831(B) Here

Proposal 30A-36 should have been accepted in principal these types of storage tanks and dispensersare widely used in farms construction sites and business fleet operations

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Report on Comments ndash June 2011 NFPA 30A_______________________________________________________________________________________________30A- Log 5

_______________________________________________________________________________________________Mindy Wang Ampco Safety Tools

30A-39Not proposing new text Please see comment in Substantiation

Although procedures for cleanup of spills is not within the scope of NFPA 30A we feel compelled toaddress API 2214 referenced by the Committee Information presented below shows API 2214 is misleading andundermines safe work practices In fact API 2214 conflicts with OSHA regulations Accredited Standards Developerrsquosstandards and safe work practices FM Approvals LLC formerly Factory Mutual Research Corporation (FM) is an international organization recognized

by the US government as a Nationally Recognized Testing Laboratory (NRTL) for scientific research and productcertification Product approval from a NRTL assures that products meet consensus-based standards of safety to providethe assurance required by OSHA that these products are safe for use in the United States workplace FM ApprovalStandard 7910 Spark Resistant Tools is used as guidance to evaluate tools intended for use in environments wherethere is a risk of ignition of flammable materials dusts or vapors resulting from sparks created by iron and steel handtools These tools prevent the ignition of flammable materials dusts or vapors by mechanical sparks created by the useof iron and steel hand tools slipping or striking a surface American Petroleum Institute (API) Publication 2214contradicts NRTL research and product certification as evidence in FM Approvals granted for spark resistance toolsFM has conducted tests of Ampco Safety Tools as covered in Report Job Identification No IN4A0AF in accordancewith the requirements of Safety Tools Approval Test Procedure Class 7910 and test results show

Sparks created from steel plates ignited carbon disulfide saturated pads eight of eight tests ethyl ether pads fiveof eight tests and naphtha VMampP four of eight tests

No sparks were observed and no ignition of the flammable liquids mentioned above from approved Ampco SafetyTools Other investigations also contradict APIrsquos conclusion on non-sparking tools A paper published in the Fire Protection

Journal ldquoThe Danger of Incendive Sparksrdquo stated that after APIrsquos conclusion on ldquonon-sparkingrdquo tools Institute ofPetroleum sought the advice of the Fire Research Board Committee on Industrial Fires and Explosion This committeecame to certain conclusions one of which was ldquoUntilhellipevidence is obtained to show that the impact of steel hand toolson steel is safe it is advisable to use non-sparking tools in situations where flammable atmospheres are unavoidablerdquo The NFPA Fire Protection Handbook 20th edition published in January 2008 does not support the conclusion that

API 2214 represents In fact many NFPA codes the use of ldquonon-sparkingrdquo tools in flammable atmospheresAccording to NFPA Fire Protection Handbook ldquoWhen flammable and combustible liquids are stored or handled theliquid is usually exposed to the air at some stage in the operation except where the storage is confined to sealedcontainers that are not filled or opened on the premises or where handling is in closed systems and vapor losses arerecovered Even when the storage or handling is in a closed system there is always the possibility of breaks or leakswhich permit the liquid to escape It is a to eliminate sources of ignition in places where low flashpointflammable liquids are stored handled or used even though no vapor may ordinarily be presentrdquo NFPA 921 Guide for Fire and Explosion Investigations 2008 Edition Chapter 5 Basic Fire Science Table 5711

Reported Burning and Sparking Temperature of Selected Ignition Sources under Mechanical Sparks lists a Steel tooltemperature at 2550degF When working with flammable gases liquids or vapors a potential hazard arises because of thepossibility that sparks produced by steel or iron tools can become an ignition source OSHA Flammable and Combustible Liquids regulation 29 CFR Parts 1910106(b) on tank storage paragraph

1910106(b)(6) states that precaution shall be taken to eliminate or control sources of ignitions including frictional heatand mechanical sparks to prevent the ignition of flammable vapors In OSHA regulation 29 CFR 1910146 Permit-Required Confined Spaces Appendix D Confined Space Pre-Entry

Check List non-sparking tool is listed as one type of entry equipment OSHA 29 CFR 1910146 StandardInterpretations Interpretative guidance and equipment approved for hazardous locations relative to the Permit-RequiredConfined Spaces states that ldquohellipthe standard does not prohibit entry into a permit space where a hazardous flammableatmosphere is at or above the 10 LFL For concentrations at or above 10 LFL paragraph (d) would theemployer to incorporate safe work procedures to address the flammableexplosive hazard (such as equipment approvedfor hazardous locations) in the entry plan for those spaces Electrical equipment as well as other sources of ignition(non-sparking hand tools) be considered and addressed for the hazardous atmosphererdquo OSHA regulation 29 CFR Parts 1910120 Hazardous waste operations and emergency response paragraph

1910120(j)(2)(v) requires that ldquoWhen there is a reasonable possibility of flammable atmospheres being present

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Report on Comments ndash June 2011 NFPA 30Amaterial handling equipment and hand tools shall be of the type to prevent sources of ignition EPA has identifiedsolvents such as xylene acetone ethyl acetate ethyl benzene and ethyl ether commonly used in all industries (theF-list) and discarded commercial chemical products such as acetone benzene ethyl ether and xylene (the P-list andU-list) as ignitable hazardous wastes API members such as ExxonMobil and Chevron as well as others in the petroleum industry such as Valero CITGO

Petroleum Corporation Chem-Supply Pty Ltd Irving Oil Ltd Petrol Star Inc Nova Chemicals and El Paso Corporationregularly the use of ldquonon-sparkingrdquo tools under Accidental Release Measures and Handling and Storage sectionsin the MSDSrsquos for their petroleum products These companies clearly recognize the need for ldquonon-sparkingrdquo tools inworking with and around flammable materials API 2214 Section 12 Background ldquohellipthese engineers pointed out that although numerous opportunities existed for

the production of sparks from violent contact of steel objects with other steel objects there was a negligible record offires resulting from such a causerdquo On the contrary there are a number of documented incidents involving flammablevapors ignited by steel sparks from tools A few examples are as follows

OSHA inspection 300965795 an employee in the process of cleaning loose material from drill piping with ametal hammer While striking the pipe with a hammer an explosion occurred Employee was killed in the explosion onsite

OSHA inspection 2272953 two employees were assigned the job of tending a 100 gallon (water jacket) reactorkettle of methyl methacrylate in the mixing room Employee 1 used a metal wrench (visegrips) to pry open the cover ofa kettle The wrench handle struck the angle iron support for the agitator motor producing a spark Employee 2noticed the spark which was immediately followed by a massive ldquofire ballrdquo Both employees were engulfed in thefireball Employee 3 came to the area to assist the other employees The investigation states that non-sparking toolswere not provided for the employees All three employees received first and second degree burns on their face armsand abdomen Employee 2 also received some third degree burns All three employees were hospitalized

OSHA inspection 124728437 Employee 1 and a coworker both maintenance mechanics were working in a 30inch by 36 inch manhole at a gas station Employee 1 was trying to change a fuel pump while the coworker watchedfrom outside the manhole Employee 1 was using an Allen wrench to loosen the bolts on the fuel pump lead when hecreated a spark that ignited the gas fumes in the manhole causing an explosion Employee 1 suffered burns to hisface hands arms and legs in the explosion and was hospitalized

OSHA inspection 111109237 Employee 1 or 3 attempted to cut a metal pipe with a metal saw whileEmployee 2 was standing on top of one of two 5000 gallon gas tanks trying to remove a tank fitting Sparks from thesaw the pipe wrench or another unknown source ignited the gas vapors which exploded Employees 1 and 3 werekilled of burns at the scene Employee 2 died at the burn center as a result of burns sustained in the explosion

OSHA inspection 102826625 Employee 1 worked for a company that cleans paints and replaces valves in LPand MAPP gas cylinders Before removing an old valve Employee 1 would open the valve to let the residual gas leakout on the loading dock Where there was a large quantity of cylinders Employee 1 would invert the cylinder so theresidual gas could vent faster Employee 1 had an accumulation of a gas and air mixture around his work area Thevapors were ignited either by a spark from the metal screwdriver he was using to open a damaged valve or by an openflame burner approximately 40 feet away There was a fire and explosion The employee sustained 2nd and 3rd degreeburns on the lower half of his body and was hospitalized

OSHA inspection 607366 an employee was sawing an airplane wing into sections with a portable powered handsaw the saw created a spark that caused an explosion of gasoline vapors in the wing fuel tank Employee 1 killed andEmployee 2 injured in explosion and was hospitalized

OSHA inspection 309178523 employer was cited for violating Section 5(a)(1) of the Occupational Safety andHealth Act of 1970 often referred to as the General Duty Clause which requires employers to furnish to each of hisemployees employment and a place of employment which are free from recognized hazards that are causing or arelikely to cause death or serious physical harm to his employees for exposing employee to an explosion hazard byopening the hydrogen tube trailer main valve without using non-sparking tools

OSHA inspection 304994304 employer was cited for violating Section 5(a)(1) of the Occupational Safety andHealth Act of 1970 violation for exposing employee to a fireexplosion hazard while performing maintenance operationson LP gas tanks with ferrous tools One feasible and acceptable abatement method to correct this hazard is toimplement the use of non- sparking toolsThe Report of the BP US Refineries independent Safety Review Panel also known as the Baker Panel Report states

that ldquoPreventing process accidents requires vigilance The passing of time without a process accident is not necessarilyan indicator that all is well and may contribute to a dangerous and growing sense of complacencyrdquo This sample ofOSHA documented events illustrates accidents do happen when proper safety measures are not taken againstmechanical sparks from steel tools as a possible ignition sourceHaving said that we appreciate the Committeersquos time and agree with the Committee that procedures for cleanup of

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Report on Comments ndash June 2011 NFPA 30Aspills is not within the scope of NFPA 30A

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Report on Comments ndash June 2011 NFPA 30A_______________________________________________________________________________________________30A- Log 7

_______________________________________________________________________________________________Robert Bourke Northeastern Regional Fire Code Development Committee

30A-19Add a new section to read 11721 Where approved by the Authority Having Jurisdiction piers

that extend more than 152 m (500 ft) in travel distance from shore shall be permitted to provide a Class I standpipe thatis installed in accordance with NFPA 14 Standard for the Installation of Standpipe and Hose Systems

The TC missed the point in the substantiation of the proposalIt was not the intent of the proposal to obtain additional flexibility of FD use over that which is provided by a Class III

standpipe system The intent of the proposal was to provide relief from the requirement where the local AHJ feels thatthe effectiveness and likelihood of occupant use of fire hoses does not justify the added risk to the occupant or theinstallation and maintenance costs associated with the requisite hose for a Class III system A Class I system would stillprovide FD fire fighting capabilities in jurisdictions where the AHJ prefers occupants to evacuate and not attempt to fightfires beyond portable fire extinguisher capability

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From Benedetti BobTo bcotnerswriorgCc Harrington Greg Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiBcc May PaulSubject Inquiry NFPA 30 amp NFPA 30ADate Thursday July 08 2010 121900 PM

Good Morning Mr Cotner Greg Harrington asked that I respond to your question about the proper use ofintermediate bulk containers Actually an intermediate bulk container is a shipping vessel that must meetrequirements and specifications of the U S Department of Transportation for shippingmaterials from Point A to Point B It is not intended to be a storage vessel althoughthe liquid contained is obviously dispensed from the vessel for use Dispensing of motor fuels is covered by NFPA 30A Code for Motor Fuel DispensingFacilities and Repair Garages NFPA 30A states in Subsection 421 421 Liquids shall be stored in the following(1) Approved closed containers that do not exceed 227 L (60 gal) capacity and arelocated outside buildings(2) Tanks or approved closed containers located inside motor fuel dispensingfacilities or repair garages(3) Aboveground tanks underground tanks and containers in accordance with therequirements of Section 43(4) Tanks supplying marine service stations in accordance with Section 112 Section 43 states the following 432 Aboveground Storage Tanks Except as modified by the provisions of thissubsection aboveground storage tanks shall meet all applicable requirements ofChapters 21 through 23 and 27 of NFPA 30 Flammable and Combustible Liquids Code So in accordance with NFPA 30A Subsection 421(3) indicates that abovegroundstorage of motor fuel must be in a tank that meets the provisions of Section 43 Thelatter in turn references the Chapters in NFPA 30 that deal with fixed storage tanks Nowhere in these chapters is there any reference to an intermediate bulk container Chapter 9 of NFPA 30 does recognize an intermediate bulk container for warehouse-type storage of Class I flammable liquids but does not anticipate continual dispensingand use One could evaluate an intermediate bulk container as a means of long-term storageand dispensing of liquids under the Equivalency clause My opinion is that an intermediate bulk container is not considered a substitute for anaboveground storage tank but this is not specifically stated in the relevant codes This issue will be added to the agendas for the Technical Committees involved Please understand that this response is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 ofNFPArsquos Regulations Governing Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon todefinitively determine compliance with any laws ordinances rules or regulations Todetermine legal compliance you should refer to the appropriate authority havingjurisdiction or seek legal advice It is not intended nor should it be relied upon toprovide professional consultation or services To determine the adequacy or safety ofany device or installation you should consult with an appropriate professional

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I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write Iwill be happy to assist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant toNFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does notnecessarily represent the official position of the NFPA or its Technical Committees Inaddition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it be relied upon to provideprofessional consultation or services cc 30IFI 30AIFI AUVNM FLCSWCNM FLCTANNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

If you have a reported fire in your home the risk of dyingdecreases by about 80 percent when sprinklers are present

wwwfiresprinklerinitiativeorgNotice The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intendedfor the exclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential andor privileged information If you arenot the intended recipient please notify Robert Benedetti immediately by replying to the message or by calling(617) 984-7433 Please delete this message and any attachments from your system Thank you

From Harrington Greg Sent Wednesday July 07 2010 350 PMTo Benedetti BobSubject FW Intermediate Bulk Containers Hi Bob Can you answer the question below Hersquos a friend of mine former inspector with San Antonio FD when Iworked down there now a safety guy at SWRI Thanks a lot --Greg

From Bill Cotner [mailtobcotnerswriorg] Sent Wednesday July 07 2010 332 PMTo Harrington GregSubject Intermediate Bulk Containers Hey Greg howrsquos the heat in Boston here it is a balmy 93 enjoying it I have a question probably out ofyour area but Irsquom sure you know who to route it to We have a group here that wants to dispense fuelfrom a stainless steel IBC into test engines I donrsquot think that is the intended use or what it has beenlisted for Can I get some guidance on this issue I appreciate anything you can do for me Bill Bill CotnerSenior Fire SpecialistEnvironmental Safety and Quality SystemsSouthwest Research InstitutePhone (210) 522-5101Fax (210) 522-5093Mobile (210) 669-7005Email bcotner swriorg

From Benedetti BobTo Ebanks DesmondCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiBcc May PaulSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Monday June 14 2010 35400 PM

Good afternoon Mr Ebanks The intent of Subsection 422 of NFPA 30A Code for Motor Fuel Dispensing Facilities and RepairGarages is that there be no direct piped connection between the aboveground storage tank inthe bulk plant and the fuel dispensing device in the motor fuel dispensing facility In my opinionthis includes any intervening underground storage tank The hazard being addressed is the potential to overfill the underground storage tank due to thestatic head of the liquid in the aboveground storage tank Please understand that this response is a personal opinion and does not constitute a FormalInterpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 of NFPArsquos RegulationsGoverning Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitively determine compliancewith any laws ordinances rules or regulations To determine legal compliance you shouldrefer to the appropriate authority having jurisdiction or seek legal advice It is not intended norshould it be relied upon to provide professional consultation or services To determine theadequacy or safety of any device or installation you should consult with an appropriateprofessional I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will behappy to assist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPARegulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarilyrepresent the official position of the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition thiscorrespondence is neither intended nor should it be relied upon to provide professional consultation orservices cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg Attend the premier event for fire life safety and electrical professionals

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Notice The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for theexclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential andor privileged information If you are not the intendedrecipient please notify Robert Benedetti immediately by replying to the message or by calling (617) 984-7433 Please deletethis message and any attachments from your system Thank you

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From Ebanks Desmond [mailtoDesmondEbanksgovky] Sent Monday May 24 2010 940 AMTo Benedetti BobSubject bulk storage supply to motor fuel facilities Hi Bob NFPA 30A (2003) 422 gives to positions in relation to motor fuel dispensing facilities (mfdf) that I would like to havefurther clarified for Code intent please The first is that dispensing devices at the mfdf shall not be supplied by ASTs located in the bulk plant Does this implythat supply from a UST (underground storage tank) in the bulk storage facility would be acceptable or to the other extentthat even if the bulk AST supplied a loading rack which in turn supplied a UST both in the bulk facility that supplyfrom the bulk AST is still not permitted The second statement refers to any storage tank at the mfdf saying they shall not be connected by piping to bulkfacility ASTs Similarly does this imply that a UST (underground storage tank) in the bulk storage facility would beacceptable or that if the bulk tank was connected to a loading rack and the loading rack connected by non-permanentmeans to an mfdf tank that this would be permissible RegardsDes EbanksAssistant Petroleum InspectorThe Petroleum InspectorateCayman Islands GovernmentAnderson Square 4th floorPO Box 31213Grand CaymanKY1-1205Cayman IslandsOffice 345 244 3458Mobile 345 925 3317Fax 345 949 0920Email desmondebanksgovky

From Benedetti BobTo Shriniwas BodhankarCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiBcc May PaulSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Monday June 14 2010 50100 PM

Good day Sir There has been no discussion by the Technical Committee on Automotive and Marine ServiceStations to alter the separation distances in Table 4324 of NFPA 30A Code for Motor FuelDispensing Facilities and Repair Garages as they pertain to liquid fuels including high flashpoint diesel fuels Also there have been no proposals to make such a change to NFPA 30A I trust this answers your question R P Benedetti cc -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

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Notice The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for theexclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential andor privileged information If you are not the intendedrecipient please notify Robert Benedetti immediately by replying to the message or by calling (617) 984-7433 Please deletethis message and any attachments from your system Thank you

From Shriniwas Bodhankar [mailtobodhankarenoccom] Sent Tuesday June 01 2010 536 AMTo Maynard Mary Benedetti BobSubject NFPA 30 A Dear sir Reference is made to table no 4324 of NFPA code 30A specifying the minimum distance between storagetanks and dispensing equipment A dispenser should be placed minimum 50 feet away from a bunded abovegroundsteel tank to meet this requirementIn our opinion this is too stringent and uncalled for in case of high flash diesel ( Flash point above 65 degreecentigrade) A bunded tank where spill can be contained within bund is as safe as a vaulted tankfire resistanttankprotected tank Therefore it is equally safe to install an approved dispensing device immediately outside thebund provided the vent of the tank is 4 meters above the grade level on which the dispensing device is installedVarious international oil companies like SHELL amp BP carry similar installations for their fleet customers of dieselMoreover there are standard skids being marketed in EUROPE (even for gasoline) which have storage tanks and

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dispensers on same skid and such an arrangement is accepted by ldquoAuthority Having Jurisdictionrdquo(AHJ)Kindly advise if this standard requirement is being reviewed or otherwise if based on performance based designsuch a requirement may be waived or considered as ldquo highly recommendedrdquo in the leastBased on your feedback we wish to discuss this with AHJ in UAE Regards Regards Shriniwas BodhankarSenior EHS Compliance Officer( Special Projects)Group EHSQ Compliance DepartmentEmirates National Oil Company Limited (ENOC) LLC ENOC House I PO Box 6442Dubai United Arab EmiratesDirect +971 4 313 4437Fax +971 4 313 4482bodhankarenoccom | wwwenoccom

This message together with any attachments contains confidential information and is intended only for the use of theaddressee(s) and may contain information which is covered by legal professional or other privilege If you are not theintended recipient please inform the sender immediately and delete this e-mail You should not copy this e-mail or use itfor any purpose nor disclose its contents to any other person ENOC does not warrant that this transmission is virus freeand will not be liable for any damages resulting from any virus ENOC Dubai UAE

From Benedetti BobTo EActonccfireusCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiBcc May PaulSubject Inquiry NFPA 30A amp NFPA 30Date Monday August 02 2010 44400 PMAttachments DSC06169JPG

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Good day Mr Acton Fire protection provisions for major and minor repair garages and ldquolube-onlyrdquofacilities which is the topic of your concern are provided in NFPA 30A Code for MotorFuel Dispensing Facilities and Repair Garages currently 2008 edition Chapter 5 ofNFPA 30A covers piping systems but its specific provisions focus on piping systemsbetween fuel storage tanks and fuel dispensers Chapter 5 also directly referencesChapter 27 of the 2008 edition of NFPA 30 Flammable and Combustible Liquids Code(successor to Chapter 5 of the 2003 edition) Subsection 527 of NFPA 30A allows piping made from low-melting point materials tobe installed in exposed areas but only in specific locations These are limited tocontainment sumps under dispensers containment sumps for underground fuelstorage tanks and sumps for below-grade piping connections Chapter 5 of NFPA 30Ais silent on piping inside buildings Therefore the user is left with the provisions ofChapter 27 of NFPA 30 NFPA 30 in turn does allow piping fabricated of low melting point materials to beused exposed outdoors or inside buildings with the following provisions ldquo27441 Such materials shall be permitted to be used outdoors above ground orinside buildings provided they meet one of the following conditions (1) They are resistant to damage by fire(2) They are located so that any leakage resulting from failure will not exposepersons important buildings or structures(3) They are located where leakage can be controlled by operation of one or moreaccessible remotely located valvesrdquo Regardless of the material of construction of the piping and components the followinggeneral requirement from Chapter 27 of NFPA 30 always applies ldquo273 General Requirements2731 Performance Standards The design fabrication assembly test and inspectionof piping systems shall be suitable for the working pressures and structural stresses tobe encountered by the piping system Compliance with applicable sections of ASMEB31 Code for Pressure Piping and the provisions of this chapter shall be consideredprima facie evidence of compliance with the foregoing provisions2732 Tightness of Piping Piping systems shall be maintained liquidtight A pipingsystem that has leaks that constitute a hazard shall be emptied of liquid or repaired ina manner acceptable to the authority having jurisdictionrdquo Your interpretation of Subsection 511 of the 2003 edition of NFPA 30 (2711 in the2008 edition) is correct the chapter applies to any piping system that handles aflammable or combustible liquid regardless of pressure Likewise you are correct thatthe piping system must meet the provisions of ASME B31 for the material chosen andthe anticipated operating pressures and temperatures (531 in the 2003 edition 2741 in the 2008 edition) However low melting point materials (aluminum copperbrass and polymeric materials) are allowed under the provisions of Subsection 534(2003 edition) and 2744 (2008 edition) What must be determined is does thepiping system comply with one of the conditions stated in 27441 as stated above

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Please understand that this response is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 ofNFPArsquos Regulations Governing Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon todefinitively determine compliance with any laws ordinances rules or regulations Todetermine legal compliance you should refer to the appropriate authority havingjurisdiction or seek legal advice It is not intended nor should it be relied upon toprovide professional consultation or services To determine the adequacy or safety ofany device or installation you should consult with an appropriate professional I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write Iwill be happy to assist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant toNFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does notnecessarily represent the official position of the NFPA or its Technical Committees Inaddition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it be relied upon to provideprofessional consultation or services cc 30IFI 30AIFI AUVNM FLCTANNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

If you have a reported fire in your home the risk of dyingdecreases by about 80 percent when sprinklers are present

wwwfiresprinklerinitiativeorgNotice The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intendedfor the exclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential andor privileged information If you arenot the intended recipient please notify Robert Benedetti immediately by replying to the message or by calling(617) 984-7433 Please delete this message and any attachments from your system Thank you

From Eric Acton [mailtoEActonccfireus] Sent Monday July 19 2010 636 PMTo Benedetti BobSubject InterpretationOpinion request

Good day My name is Eric Acton I am the Fire Marshal for Campbell CountyWyoming and Irsquom employed by Campbell County Fire Department My NFPA

membership number is 2755369 My mailing and email addresses are listed below I am in need of a technical opinion regarding 2003 NFPA 30 Chapter 5 or morecurrently 2008 NFPA 30A Chapter 5 Some brief project backgroundAn owner within my jurisdiction has built a commercial lube-oil center to servicecustomersrsquo vehicles A ldquopitrdquo exists below the service bay to allow workers to drainthe oil from the vehicle then workers on the main floor refill the oil by use ofpressurized nozzles Several motor oil storage tanks are located in the pitaccounting for several brands and viscosities of oil The tanks are designed to befilled by use of a piping system which extends from an exterior connection vault toeach of the storage tanks using gravity to move the product in the fill-pipingsystem The material the owner chose to construct the fill-piping system wasldquostandardrdquo 1-12rdquo Schedule 40 PVC and Parker Series 7094 Electrically Non-Conductive rubber hose The piping system is exposed it is not underground nor isit protected from flame by means of a fire-rated chase Having identified the use of combustible liquids in this occupancy I utilized 2006International Fire Code (as adopted by my jurisdiction) Chapter 34 Flammable andCombustible Liquids to review and inspect the project IFC Section 340362referred me to NFPA 30 Chapter 5 for the construction materials to use where Iinterpreted (2003 version) 30511 to mean that the piping system components (pipetubing flanges bolting gaskets valves fittingshellip) must meet the requirementsregardless of pressure And that the following components specified in theparagraph must meet the requirements ONLY if they contained pressure ndashhelliprdquoexpansion joints and strainers and devices such thathelliprdquo I further interpreted(2003 version) 30531 Material Specifications similarly in that the ldquoPipe valvesfaucets couplingshelliprdquo must meet the requirements regardless of pressure while ldquohellipother pressure-containing partshelliprdquo meant ONLY the other parts that containedpressure Verbatim to 30511 is encountered in 2008 NFPA 30A Chapter 5paragraph 51 Scope The owner states his piping complies with the standard cited because it is gravity-fed hence no ldquopressurerdquo is seen by the piping components I maintain that thepiping system shall consist of metal pipe (or another material meeting therequirements of ASME B31 as allowed by 2003 NFPA 30531) to comply with NFPA30 and IFC Some assistance to resolve this problem is greatly appreciated I have attachedsome photographs for clarification Thanks for your attentionEric

Eric ActonFire MarshalCampbell County Fire Department 106 Rohan Avenue Gillette WY 82716 (307) 682-5319 ext 8912(307) 686-2222 Fax(307) 680-9612 Cell

eactonccfireus (No trees were harmed in the production of this e-mail however a huge number of electrons were horribly inconvenienced)

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From Benedetti BobTo Howard Jim (Woodbridge)Cc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiBcc May PaulSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Monday June 28 2010 115100 AM

Good morning Mr Howard First I appreciate your patience with me while I reviewed the information sent to meby yourself and Mr Luby of Veeder-Root I wanted to ensure that I thoroughlyunderstood how the system functions in its line leak detection mode My understanding of the arrangement of the piping system from the pair ofunderground storage tanks is that the electronic line leak detector the PLLD tests thesupply piping from the two submersible pumps to the dispensers as a single system This includes the direct piping run from the master pump to the dispensers AND thepiping that connects the slave pump to the direct piping run The intent of Subsection 642 of the 2008 edition of NFPA 30A Code for Motor FuelDispensing Facilities and Repair Garages is to ensure that some type of leak detectiondevice monitors the piping from the submersible pump to the dispensers in such amanner that a leak in the piping leading to the dispensers or in the dispensersthemselves is detected and notification of a leak given Since the two pumps act intandem and since the entire piping system from the pumps to the dispensers ismonitored my personal opinion is that the intent of Subsection 642 is met andevaluation of the system described as being equivalent to what is required bySubsection 642 is reasonable Whether the system described meets the criteria of Section 15 Equivalency of NFPA30A must be determined by the authority having jurisdiction As NFPA Staff Liaison forNFPA 30A I cannot make such a determination under NFPArsquos Regulations GoverningCommittee Projects Please understand that this response is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 ofNFPArsquos Regulations Governing Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon todefinitively determine compliance with any laws ordinances rules or regulations Todetermine legal compliance you should refer to the appropriate authority havingjurisdiction or seek legal advice It is not intended nor should it be relied upon toprovide professional consultation or services To determine the adequacy or safety ofany device or installation you should consult with an appropriate professional I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write Iwill be happy to assist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant toNFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does notnecessarily represent the official position of the NFPA or its Technical Committees Inaddition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it be relied upon to provideprofessional consultation or services cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids Engineer

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National Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

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From Howard Jim (Woodbridge) [mailtoJHowardhesscom] Sent Monday June 14 2010 1144 AMTo Benedetti BobCc Howard Jim (Woodbridge) Bob Luby Subject Importance High Bob It was a pleasure talking to you this morning regarding the Line Leak Detection applicationin place at Hess Station 08501 - Milltown DE (drawing attached) as well as several thousandlocations worldwide Here is some background information on this installation

Site had 3 - 10000 gallon gasoline tanks 1 - 10000 Regular (87) 1 - 10000 Plus (89) 1 - 10000 Premium (93) prior to our Dispenser Replacement Project Because of theoverwhelming demand for Regular gasoline (887 in 2009) we converted the existingPlus tank to additional Regular storageDispensers were replaced with new Blend Dispensers Tanks were not manifoldedRegular and former-Plus product lines were manifolded at each dispenserWe installed Veeder-Root PLLDs (Electronic Line Leak Detectors) on the Regular 1and Premium STPs We installed a non-vented Swift Check on Regular 2 (formerPlus) STP Because the PLLD is vented we MUST install a non-vented swift check onRegular STP 2 in order to test the system as a wholeWe have demonstrated via post-construction testing that the system will pick up a 3gph leak

The State of DE has questioned our compliance with NFPA 30A 642 Each pump shallhave installed on the discharge side a listed leak detection device that will provide an audibleor visible indication if the piping or a dispenser is leaking Each leak-detecting device shallbe checked and tested at least annually according to the manufacturers specifications toensure proper installation and operation

Can you comment on whether the system shown on the attached and described above and onour call meets the NFPA requirement or if it meets the definition of Equivalency as definedin Chapter 15 - Equivalency Thank you in advance for your consideration in this matter Please do not hesitate to contactme if there are any questions or concerns on this application ThanksJim Howard RFMPManager Maintenance amp UST ComplianceHess Corporation732-750-6220 (office)800-903-4801 (Emergency Hotline)E-mail UST Inspections to USTCompliancehesscomFax UST Inspections to 866-435-6744

This e-mail and any attachments are for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may containinformation that is confidential If you are not the intended recipient(s) and have received this e-mail in error please immediately notify the sender by return e-mail and delete this e-mail fromyour computer Any distribution disclosure or the taking of any other action by anyone other thanthe intended recipient(s) is strictly prohibited

From Benedetti BobTo Gary KostalCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiBcc May PaulSubject Inquiry NFPA 30 NFPA 30ADate Tuesday August 10 2010 43200 PM

Good afternoon Mr Kostal There are no provisions in NFPA 30 Flammable and Combustible Liquids Code togovern dispensing of motor fuels into motorized equipment and the devices youdescribe are not mentioned at all in NFPA 30 or in the only other related NFPAdocument that might apply NFPA 30A Code for Motor Fuel Dispensing Facilities andRepair Garages I cannot say that these units are either allowed or disallowed because neither NFPA30 nor NFPA 30A speaks about them The only provisions that might apply are the quantity limitations established in thesetwo codes depending on which code applies If the maintenance building is considered an industrial occupancy then Chapter 9 ofNFPA 30 establishes a maximum allowable quantity for of 120 gallons for Class Iliquids (The maximum allowable quantity is actually a threshold value Up to theMAQ compliance with NFPA 30 is not required above it NFPA 30 applies) If the maintenance building is considered a repair garage then NFPA 30A takesprecedence It also sets a 120 gallon limit on the maximum quantity of Class I liquid In both cases the quantity of fuel involved is 50 percent of the maximum allowed Myopinion is that there is no violation of either NFPA 30 or NFPA 30A Please understand that this response is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 ofNFPArsquos Regulations Governing Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon todefinitively determine compliance with any laws ordinances rules or regulations Todetermine legal compliance you should refer to the appropriate authority havingjurisdiction or seek legal advice It is not intended nor should it be relied upon toprovide professional consultation or services To determine the adequacy or safety ofany device or installation you should consult with an appropriate professional I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write Iwill be happy to assist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant toNFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does notnecessarily represent the official position of the NFPA or its Technical Committees Inaddition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it be relied upon to provideprofessional consultation or services cc 30IFI 30AIFI-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch Park

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Quincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg Important Notice This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPA RegulationsAny opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarily represent the officialposition of the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition this correspondence is neither intended norshould it be relied upon to provide professional consultation or services

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From Gary Kostal [mailtogarykbloomingdalefirecom] Sent Monday August 09 2010 328 PMTo Benedetti BobSubject Looking for assistance - portable gas caddies Membership 2329840 Gary KostalFire Prevention DirectorBloomingdale Fire District Question (Non-formal opinion) I have a country club where they service a very large number of lawn maintenance equipment on a dailybasis They are utilizing a portable gas container (gas caddy) that holds approximately 30 gallons ofgasoline The unit is equipped with a hand style pump which is located on the top of the tank Fuel isdispensed from this tank as you crank the pump There are no nozzles located on the hose These gascaddies are being used inside their maintenance building which is fully fire sprinkled They are presentlyusing two of these devices inside the same building which is basically one days use

My question is are these devices allowed for this type of dispensing Are they required to be equippedwith a self closing nozzle What NFPA sections would apply to this particular type of device Thank you for your assistance in this matter

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ATTACHMENT No A9

From Benedetti BobTo SheldonSchallWisconsingovCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Wednesday September 30 2009 45929 PM

Good afternoon Sheldon I will here provide more detailed answers to your questions as posed in the email you sent to me today Section 30A-4323 limits tank storage capacity for Class I and II No limit for Class IIIA or IIIB

You are correct The intent of 4323 is to limit the capacities only of those tanks that storeClass I and II liquids Recall that when NFPA 30A initially allowed aboveground storage tanks atvehicle fueling sites biofuels were not in the picture just gasoline (Class I) and diesel fuel (ClassII) The Technical Committee at the time did not conceive that there would be the need to storeClass III fuels because there werenrsquot any The bottom line NFPA 30A does not limit the capacityof an aboveground storage tank that holds a motor fuel that is a Class III liquid

Section 30A-4324 refers to setbacks in Table 4324 No indication that these setbacks are specific toor exclude any class of flammable or combustible so it appears that the setbacks apply to Class I -Class IIIB liquids This table appears to conflict with the previous section for Class IIIA amp IIIB liquids

This is again correct that the separation distances in Table 4324 are not specific to anyparticular Class of liquid There is no conflict however 4323 deals with tank capacities 4324 deals with separation distances for the tanks Since 4324 does not specify anyparticular liquid class(es) it applies to ALL liquid classes

Section 30A-4325 allows an increased capacity for Class II and III liquids at fleet facilities Thisappears to conflict with section 4323 for Class III liquids which didnt have a capacity limit to startwith

Here there is a conflict or at least a serious inconsistency This provision was added one or twoeditions after 4323 and it appears that biofuels are beginning to be recognized It also appearsthat the intent here was to allow a relaxation of one limit in favor of a more liberal one Theproblem is the original limit doesnrsquot exist making it arguable that the application of 4325 toClass III liquids is meaningless Given the obvious intent here for some limit on Class III liquidfuels 4323 should be amended to include Class IIIs

Section 30A-4327 addresses dispensing from an aboveground tank for Class I and II liquids based uponspecific conditions

Paragraph 4322 is a hold-over dating back to when service stations were covered in Chapter 7of the old versions of NFPA 30 This set of requirements should also be amended to include ClassIIIs

Section 30A-4328 refers to NFPA 30-2171 for spill and overfill This section only applies to class Iand II liquids

While it is true that Subsection 2171 of NFPA 30 only applies to Classes I and II I do not believeit is a conflict for NFPA 30A to also apply it to Class III as well if the Technical Committee it isappropriate to do so However the language needs to be improved or an Annex item should beadded to explain the extrapolation and the reason for it

I will add this to the next meetingrsquos agenda for the Technical Committee on Automotive and MarineService Stations As usual the following applies Please understand that this response to your inquiry is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 of NFPArsquos RegulationsGoverning Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitively determine compliance with anylaws ordinances rules or regulations To determine the adequacy or safety of any device or installationyou should consult with an appropriate professional To determine legal compliance you should refer tothe appropriate authority having jurisdiction or seek legal advice

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I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will be happy toassist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarily represent the official positionof the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it berelied upon to provide professional consultation or services cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

Fire Prevention Week is October 4 ndash 10 2009 Visit wwwfirepreventionweekorg or call 800-344-3555 for moreinformation NFPA Seminars - Apply the codes with confidenceRegister at wwwnfpalearnorg NFPA Membership keeps you up-to-dateVisit wwwnfpaorgjoin for more information Or call 800-344-3555Notice The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for theexclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential andor privileged information If you are not the intendedrecipient please notify Robert Benedetti immediately by replying to the message or by calling (617) 984-7433 Please deletethis message and any attachments from your system Thank you Considering the variables in the sections referenced above are the setbacks in Table 4324 intended toapply to Class IIIA andor Class IIIB liquids for public fueling

From Schall Sheldon - COMMERCE [mailtoSheldonSchallWisconsingov] Sent Wednesday September 30 2009 832 AMTo Benedetti BobSubject NFPA 30A-4324 inquiry - URGENT Section 30A-4323 limits tank storage capacity for Class I and II No limit for Class IIIA or IIIB trueSection 30A-4324 refers to setbacks in Table 4324 No indication that these setbacks are specific toor exclude any class of flammable or combustible so it appears that the setbacks apply to Class I -Class IIIB liquids This table appears to conflict with the previous section for Class IIIA amp IIIB liquids Also trueSection 30A-4325 allows an increased capacity for Class II and III liquids at fleet facilities Thisappears to conflict with section 4323 for Class III liquids which didnt have a capacity limit to startwith Either one or the other needs to changeSection 30A-4327 addresses dispensing from an aboveground tank for Class I and II liquids based uponspecific conditions Need to cover IIIBSection 30A-4328 refers to NFPA 30-2171 for spill and overfill This section only applies to class Iand II liquids Class IIIs need to be specifically addressed Considering the variables in the sections referenced above are the setbacks in Table 4324 intended toapply to Class IIIA andor Class IIIB liquids for public fueling

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From Benedetti BobTo Bill HickmanCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Monday December 14 2009 50332 PM

Good afternoon Mr Hickman To answer your question the separation distances in Table 4324 of NFPA 30A Code for MotorFuel Dispensing Facilities and Repair Garages are intended to apply to outside abovegroundstorage tanks for fuel where such is allowed The tanks inside a service station building majorrepair garage or minor repair garage would likely be handling Class IIIB liquids (flash point gt200 degF) only in accordance with Subsection 4392 of NFPA 30A Subsection 4392 does not set any specific requirements for separation between tanks inside abuilding although it does refer back to Chapters 21 through 23 of NFPA 30 Flammable andCombustible Liquids Code Shell-to-shell spacing distances for aboveground tanks areestablished in Table 22421 Table 22421 is intended for much large tanks than one wouldfind in a repair garage or ldquolube-onlyrdquo facility For example the minimum separation for tanksstoring Class IIIB liquids is 3 feet as set forth in 224212 But again the separationdistances in Chapter 22 of NFPA 30 are intended for tank farm application not for the muchsmaller tanks found in the type of occupancy governed by NFPA 30A Also any facility meeting the requirements of NFPA 30A is considered to be in compliance withNFPA 30 Please understand that this response to your inquiry is a personal opinion and does notconstitute a Formal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 ofNFPArsquos Regulations Governing Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitivelydetermine compliance with any laws ordinances rules or regulations To determine theadequacy or safety of any device or installation you should consult with an appropriateprofessional To determine legal compliance you should refer to the appropriate authorityhaving jurisdiction or seek legal advice I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will behappy to assist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPARegulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarilyrepresent the official position of the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition thiscorrespondence is neither intended nor should it be relied upon to provide professional consultation orservices cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg If you have a reported fire in your home the risk of dyingdecreases by about 80 percent when sprinklers are present

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From Bill Hickman [mailtoBillHickmanstatecous] Sent Tuesday December 01 2009 939 AMTo Benedetti BobSubject Inquiry NFPA 30A - Storage of Liquids Inside Buildings Mr Benedetti Id appreciate your interpretation on an item regarding aboveground tanks storing lubricants (newused oil) inside abuilding at a repair garage NFPA 30A 439 does not include specific spacing requirements for tanks inside buildings Where there are multiple tanks being stored inside the building is there no minimum separation distance requirementthat must be met or do the requirements of Table 4324 apply Thank you in advance for your assistance __________________________________ Bill HickmanInspectorTechnical SpecialistCO Division of Oil amp Public Safety303-378-5090

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From Benedetti BobTo Peznowski EdwardCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Thursday September 03 2009 30455 PM

Hi Ed The 1996 edition of the Flammable and Combustible Liquids Code Handbook was the last one prior to thecurrent 2008 edition The commentary hasnrsquot changed My recollection of the development of this text is that the intent of NFPA 30A Code for Motor FuelDispensing Facilities and Repair Garages is to isolate the motor fuel dispensing area and its attendanthazard completely from the rest of the structure regardless of what else might be in the structure Subsection 524 assumes that the installation involves a motor fuel dispensing operation inside abuilding where you would not expect to have same such as an office building A bus repair facility wouldbe probably classed as a major repair garage and would be expected to have fueling operations Thehazard of this is in my opinion no greater than the repair operations It could be that the language in Subsection 524 needs to be clarified so that it applies only to situationssuch as I first described Please understand that this response to your inquiry is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 of NFPArsquos RegulationsGoverning Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitively determine compliance with anylaws ordinances rules or regulations To determine the adequacy or safety of any device or installationyou should consult with an appropriate professional To determine legal compliance you should refer tothe appropriate authority having jurisdiction or seek legal advice I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will be happy toassist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarily represent the official positionof the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it berelied upon to provide professional consultation or services cc 30AIFI 30AFAQ AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

Fire Prevention Week is October 4 ndash 10 2009 Visit wwwfirepreventionweekorg or call 800-344-3555 for moreinformation NFPA Seminars - Apply the codes with confidenceRegister at wwwnfpalearnorg NFPA Membership keeps you up-to-dateVisit wwwnfpaorgjoin for more information Or call 800-344-3555Notice The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for the

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exclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential andor privileged information If you are not the intendedrecipient please notify Robert Benedetti immediately by replying to the message or by calling (617) 984-7433 Please deletethis message and any attachments from your system Thank you

From Peznowski Edward [mailtoEdwardPeznowskipostatectus] Sent Monday August 31 2009 127 PMTo Benedetti BobSubject NFPA 30A Hi Bob Sorry to bother you but I need your help and interpretation of the following section of NFPA 30A 2000edition 524 - All piping inside buildings but outside the motor fuel dispensing area shall be enclosed within ahorizontal chase or a vertical shaft used only for this piping Vertical shafts and horizontal chases shall beconstructed of materials having a fire resistance rating of not less than 2 hours Bob I have a bus repair facility being built and we have fuel dispensing area within the building enclosedwith a 2hr fire resistive separation My question is I have diesel fuel piping coming from two tanks locatedoutside of the building the piping runs outside of the dispensing area does this piping need to be enclosed Ihave the proper UL listed system for through wall penetrations My problem lies here I have natural gas heating fuel oil lines for boilers and diesel fuel line for thegenerator all running through the area outside the 2 hour rated dispensing area which are not required to beenclosed My thought is within the 2 hour fire resistive construction I have storage rooms for grease and oil a office forfuel dispensing Any fuel piping running through these areas would be enclosed but once I go outside my 2hrrated enclosure the piping would not have to be enclosed NFPA 30A (1996edition)6-42 - All fuel and flammable vapor piping inside buildings but outside the service station area shall beenclosed within a horizontal chase or a vertical shaft used only for this piping Vertical shafts and horizontalchases shall be constructed of materials having a fire resistance rating of not less than 2 hoursCOMMENTARY 6-42 The intent of this requirement is to preserve the isolation of the service stationoperation from the rest of the building I donrsquot have the 2000 handbook for commentary Thanks Bob Edward J PeznowskiFire amp Life Safety SpecialistBureau of EngineeringOffice State Fire Marshal860-685-8350

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From Benedetti BobTo Hamilton James P (HOY)Cc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiSubject Inquiry NFPA 30A-2008Date Monday September 14 2009 115041 AM

Good morning Mr Hamilton The intent of this particular provision of Subsection 672 of NFPA 30A Code for Motor Fuel DispensingFacilities and Repair Garages is to ensure that the patron has access to a second disconnect if he or shecannot reach the primary disconnect ie the one that is between 20 and 100 feet from the dispenser In my opinion all of the emergency disconnects required by Section 67 must be at least 20 ft but normore than 100 ft from the nearest dispenser Please understand that this response to your inquiry is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 of NFPArsquos RegulationsGoverning Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitively determine compliance with anylaws ordinances rules or regulations To determine the adequacy or safety of any device or installationyou should consult with an appropriate professional To determine legal compliance you should refer tothe appropriate authority having jurisdiction or seek legal advice I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will be happy toassist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarily represent the official positionof the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it berelied upon to provide professional consultation or services cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

Fire Prevention Week is October 4 ndash 10 2009 Visit wwwfirepreventionweekorg or call 800-344-3555 for moreinformation NFPA Seminars - Apply the codes with confidenceRegister at wwwnfpalearnorg NFPA Membership keeps you up-to-dateVisit wwwnfpaorgjoin for more information Or call 800-344-3555Notice The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for theexclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential andor privileged information If you are not the intendedrecipient please notify Robert Benedetti immediately by replying to the message or by calling (617) 984-7433 Please deletethis message and any attachments from your system Thank you

From Hamilton James P (HOY) [mailtoHAMILTONJPbechteljacobsorg] Sent Thursday September 10 2009 1224 PMTo Benedetti BobSubject NFPA 30A 2008 Edition

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Importance High

NFPA 30A 672 states at least one additional device or disconnect shall be readily accessible toeach group of dispensing devices on an individual island Our installation does not have islands Should the second emergency shutoff be installed close to the pumps or between 20 and 100 ofthe pumps

Please respond back via email hamiltonjpbechteljacobsorg

Thanks

NFPA 127130 James P Hamilton CFPSTetraTek Inc - Fire Safety TechnologiesFire Protection LeadK-27 Pre-Demo Project 790 Emory Valley Rd 811 Oak Ridge TN 37830 ETTP Office 865-241-1902

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From Benedetti BobTo Scott DavonskiCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Tuesday August 04 2009 92429 AM

Good morning Mr Davonski My opinion is that the intent of the requirement in Subsection 1141 of NFPA 30A Code for Motor FuelDispensing Facilities and Repair Garages is that any hose longer than 18 feet should not simply bestrung along the dockrsquos surface Using a reel would be one means of securing the hose although Irsquomsure other methods such as hangers would work as well Please understand that this response to your inquiry is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 of NFPArsquos RegulationsGoverning Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitively determine compliance with anylaws ordinances rules or regulations To determine the adequacy or safety of any device or installationyou should consult with an appropriate professional To determine legal compliance you should refer tothe appropriate authority having jurisdiction or seek legal advice I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will be happy toassist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarily represent the official positionof the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it berelied upon to provide professional consultation or services cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

Fire Prevention Week is October 4 ndash 10 2009 Visit wwwfirepreventionweekorg or call 800-344-3555 for moreinformation NFPA Seminars - Apply the codes with confidenceRegister at wwwnfpalearnorg NFPA Membership keeps you up-to-dateVisit wwwnfpaorgjoin for more information Or call 800-344-3555Notice The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for theexclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential andor privileged information If you are not the intendedrecipient please notify Robert Benedetti immediately by replying to the message or by calling (617) 984-7433 Please deletethis message and any attachments from your system Thank you

From Scott Davonski [mailtodavonskiRiverheadlicom] Sent Wednesday July 22 2009 1118 AMTo Benedetti BobSubject 30A clarification

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1141 All hose shall be listed Where hose length exceeds 55 m (18 ft) the hose shall besecured so as to protect it from damage Can you provide clarification as to what is meant by ldquosecured so as to protect it fromdamagerdquo Is the standard looking not to have the hoses on the dock In a reel Any clarificationinformation would be appreciated Scott W DavonskiChief Fire MarshalTown of RiverheadP- 631-727-3200 ext 209F- 631-727-3370

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ATTACHMENT No A10
Page 21: TECHNICAL COMMITTEE ON AUTOMOTIVE and MARINE … · SUBJECT: Agenda for ROC Meeting – October 4, 2010 _____ Ladies and Gentlemen: Attached is the Agenda for the NFPA 30A Report

Report on Comments ndash June 2011 NFPA 30A_______________________________________________________________________________________________30A- Log 8

_______________________________________________________________________________________________Robert Bourke Northeastern Regional Fire Code Development Committee

30A-42Revise to read 623 Fuel-dispensing systems including dispensers hoses nozzleshelliphelliphellip

blended motor fuels shall be listed or approved for the specific purposeThis requirement should only be stating that the equipment is listed for the specific purpose

ldquoApprovedrdquo by definition means ldquoacceptable to the AHJrdquoToo often a Standard may misuse the word ldquoapprovedrdquo in order to not exclude other listing organizations that publish

its list in a document that they refer to as an ldquoApproval Guiderdquo Regardless the document is still a listing

6Printed on 9132010

Report on Comments ndash June 2011 NFPA 30A_______________________________________________________________________________________________30A- Log 3

_______________________________________________________________________________________________David B Wechsler The Dow Chemical Company

30A-34Revise and add new sentences shown under 831 and A831 and modify Table 831 as

indicated831 Table 831 shall be used to delineate and classify areas for the purposes of installing electrical wiring and

electrical utilization equipment (See also Figure 831) WARNING The US National Electrical Code has differentequipment and installation requirements from other International Standards Therefore for example equipment used inEurope may not be acceptable for installation in the USA831 The designation and decision installation and use of electrical equipment for Classes and Divisions in

hazardous (classified) locations are defined Article 500 501 and 504 of NFPA 70 National Electrical Code Thedesignation and design installation and use of electrical equipment for Classes and Zones in hazardous (classified)locations are defined in Article 505 and 504 of NFPA 70 National Electrical Code The designation and designinstallation and use of electrical equipment in lsquoZonesrsquo Zone 0 Zone 1 and Zone 2 are addressed in other internationalstandardsWithin Table 831 add a new column titled ldquoZones and copy the information from the Class I Zone column into this

new columnAlternatively to all of the above remove the ldquoZonesrdquo column completely from Table 831

While the stated intent of this proposal is understood as being to try and deal with the internationalnature of applying NFPA 30A there are problems with the approach presented by a simple extraction from the NECFirst as presented the new column only addresses the US Zone methodology The US Zone methodology for

flammable vapor gases liquids and combustible vapors and liquids is identified by the terms lsquoClass I Zone 0rsquo lsquoClass IZone 1rsquo and lsquoClass I Zone 2rsquo However under the IEC or ATEX (aka Europe International) the terms are simply lsquoZone0rsquo lsquoZone 1rsquo or lsquoZone 2rsquo Therefore the table revision is not correct for international useSecond this TIA and proposal was to lsquoincorporate the (European) Zone System of designating hazardous (classified)

locations and the allowable wiring methods and electrical utilization devices that can be used in themrsquo However the USNEC is not an international code Thus while the US NEC Article 505 does permit the use of the Class I Zonemethodology adding this column in NFPA 30A does not address the more complex nature of the design and installationproblems associated with Zone certified equipment in the US The NEC under Article 5059 Equipment provides for theuse of only AEx equipment as may be seen for example under paragraph ldquo(2) Zone Equipment Equipment meeting oneor more of the protection techniques described in 5058 shall be marked with all of the following in the order shown(1) Class(2) Zone(3) Symbol ldquoAExrdquo(4) Protection technique(s) in accordance with Table 5059(C)(2)(4)(5) Applicable gas classification group(s) in accordance with Table 9(C)(1)(2)Without adding additional text usersinspectors etc may think using Zones is just like using the Division methodology

This is not true and equipment not otherwise permitted under the US NEC may be installed because of the impliedactions currently reflected in this proposal This is a significant issue

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Report on Comments ndash June 2011 NFPA 30A_______________________________________________________________________________________________30A- Log 9

_______________________________________________________________________________________________Donald R Offerdahl North Dakota State Electrical Board

30A-36Insert figure for 831(B)

Insert Artwork Figure 831(A) and 831(B) Here

Proposal 30A-36 should have been accepted in principal these types of storage tanks and dispensersare widely used in farms construction sites and business fleet operations

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Report on Comments ndash June 2011 NFPA 30A_______________________________________________________________________________________________30A- Log 5

_______________________________________________________________________________________________Mindy Wang Ampco Safety Tools

30A-39Not proposing new text Please see comment in Substantiation

Although procedures for cleanup of spills is not within the scope of NFPA 30A we feel compelled toaddress API 2214 referenced by the Committee Information presented below shows API 2214 is misleading andundermines safe work practices In fact API 2214 conflicts with OSHA regulations Accredited Standards Developerrsquosstandards and safe work practices FM Approvals LLC formerly Factory Mutual Research Corporation (FM) is an international organization recognized

by the US government as a Nationally Recognized Testing Laboratory (NRTL) for scientific research and productcertification Product approval from a NRTL assures that products meet consensus-based standards of safety to providethe assurance required by OSHA that these products are safe for use in the United States workplace FM ApprovalStandard 7910 Spark Resistant Tools is used as guidance to evaluate tools intended for use in environments wherethere is a risk of ignition of flammable materials dusts or vapors resulting from sparks created by iron and steel handtools These tools prevent the ignition of flammable materials dusts or vapors by mechanical sparks created by the useof iron and steel hand tools slipping or striking a surface American Petroleum Institute (API) Publication 2214contradicts NRTL research and product certification as evidence in FM Approvals granted for spark resistance toolsFM has conducted tests of Ampco Safety Tools as covered in Report Job Identification No IN4A0AF in accordancewith the requirements of Safety Tools Approval Test Procedure Class 7910 and test results show

Sparks created from steel plates ignited carbon disulfide saturated pads eight of eight tests ethyl ether pads fiveof eight tests and naphtha VMampP four of eight tests

No sparks were observed and no ignition of the flammable liquids mentioned above from approved Ampco SafetyTools Other investigations also contradict APIrsquos conclusion on non-sparking tools A paper published in the Fire Protection

Journal ldquoThe Danger of Incendive Sparksrdquo stated that after APIrsquos conclusion on ldquonon-sparkingrdquo tools Institute ofPetroleum sought the advice of the Fire Research Board Committee on Industrial Fires and Explosion This committeecame to certain conclusions one of which was ldquoUntilhellipevidence is obtained to show that the impact of steel hand toolson steel is safe it is advisable to use non-sparking tools in situations where flammable atmospheres are unavoidablerdquo The NFPA Fire Protection Handbook 20th edition published in January 2008 does not support the conclusion that

API 2214 represents In fact many NFPA codes the use of ldquonon-sparkingrdquo tools in flammable atmospheresAccording to NFPA Fire Protection Handbook ldquoWhen flammable and combustible liquids are stored or handled theliquid is usually exposed to the air at some stage in the operation except where the storage is confined to sealedcontainers that are not filled or opened on the premises or where handling is in closed systems and vapor losses arerecovered Even when the storage or handling is in a closed system there is always the possibility of breaks or leakswhich permit the liquid to escape It is a to eliminate sources of ignition in places where low flashpointflammable liquids are stored handled or used even though no vapor may ordinarily be presentrdquo NFPA 921 Guide for Fire and Explosion Investigations 2008 Edition Chapter 5 Basic Fire Science Table 5711

Reported Burning and Sparking Temperature of Selected Ignition Sources under Mechanical Sparks lists a Steel tooltemperature at 2550degF When working with flammable gases liquids or vapors a potential hazard arises because of thepossibility that sparks produced by steel or iron tools can become an ignition source OSHA Flammable and Combustible Liquids regulation 29 CFR Parts 1910106(b) on tank storage paragraph

1910106(b)(6) states that precaution shall be taken to eliminate or control sources of ignitions including frictional heatand mechanical sparks to prevent the ignition of flammable vapors In OSHA regulation 29 CFR 1910146 Permit-Required Confined Spaces Appendix D Confined Space Pre-Entry

Check List non-sparking tool is listed as one type of entry equipment OSHA 29 CFR 1910146 StandardInterpretations Interpretative guidance and equipment approved for hazardous locations relative to the Permit-RequiredConfined Spaces states that ldquohellipthe standard does not prohibit entry into a permit space where a hazardous flammableatmosphere is at or above the 10 LFL For concentrations at or above 10 LFL paragraph (d) would theemployer to incorporate safe work procedures to address the flammableexplosive hazard (such as equipment approvedfor hazardous locations) in the entry plan for those spaces Electrical equipment as well as other sources of ignition(non-sparking hand tools) be considered and addressed for the hazardous atmosphererdquo OSHA regulation 29 CFR Parts 1910120 Hazardous waste operations and emergency response paragraph

1910120(j)(2)(v) requires that ldquoWhen there is a reasonable possibility of flammable atmospheres being present

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Report on Comments ndash June 2011 NFPA 30Amaterial handling equipment and hand tools shall be of the type to prevent sources of ignition EPA has identifiedsolvents such as xylene acetone ethyl acetate ethyl benzene and ethyl ether commonly used in all industries (theF-list) and discarded commercial chemical products such as acetone benzene ethyl ether and xylene (the P-list andU-list) as ignitable hazardous wastes API members such as ExxonMobil and Chevron as well as others in the petroleum industry such as Valero CITGO

Petroleum Corporation Chem-Supply Pty Ltd Irving Oil Ltd Petrol Star Inc Nova Chemicals and El Paso Corporationregularly the use of ldquonon-sparkingrdquo tools under Accidental Release Measures and Handling and Storage sectionsin the MSDSrsquos for their petroleum products These companies clearly recognize the need for ldquonon-sparkingrdquo tools inworking with and around flammable materials API 2214 Section 12 Background ldquohellipthese engineers pointed out that although numerous opportunities existed for

the production of sparks from violent contact of steel objects with other steel objects there was a negligible record offires resulting from such a causerdquo On the contrary there are a number of documented incidents involving flammablevapors ignited by steel sparks from tools A few examples are as follows

OSHA inspection 300965795 an employee in the process of cleaning loose material from drill piping with ametal hammer While striking the pipe with a hammer an explosion occurred Employee was killed in the explosion onsite

OSHA inspection 2272953 two employees were assigned the job of tending a 100 gallon (water jacket) reactorkettle of methyl methacrylate in the mixing room Employee 1 used a metal wrench (visegrips) to pry open the cover ofa kettle The wrench handle struck the angle iron support for the agitator motor producing a spark Employee 2noticed the spark which was immediately followed by a massive ldquofire ballrdquo Both employees were engulfed in thefireball Employee 3 came to the area to assist the other employees The investigation states that non-sparking toolswere not provided for the employees All three employees received first and second degree burns on their face armsand abdomen Employee 2 also received some third degree burns All three employees were hospitalized

OSHA inspection 124728437 Employee 1 and a coworker both maintenance mechanics were working in a 30inch by 36 inch manhole at a gas station Employee 1 was trying to change a fuel pump while the coworker watchedfrom outside the manhole Employee 1 was using an Allen wrench to loosen the bolts on the fuel pump lead when hecreated a spark that ignited the gas fumes in the manhole causing an explosion Employee 1 suffered burns to hisface hands arms and legs in the explosion and was hospitalized

OSHA inspection 111109237 Employee 1 or 3 attempted to cut a metal pipe with a metal saw whileEmployee 2 was standing on top of one of two 5000 gallon gas tanks trying to remove a tank fitting Sparks from thesaw the pipe wrench or another unknown source ignited the gas vapors which exploded Employees 1 and 3 werekilled of burns at the scene Employee 2 died at the burn center as a result of burns sustained in the explosion

OSHA inspection 102826625 Employee 1 worked for a company that cleans paints and replaces valves in LPand MAPP gas cylinders Before removing an old valve Employee 1 would open the valve to let the residual gas leakout on the loading dock Where there was a large quantity of cylinders Employee 1 would invert the cylinder so theresidual gas could vent faster Employee 1 had an accumulation of a gas and air mixture around his work area Thevapors were ignited either by a spark from the metal screwdriver he was using to open a damaged valve or by an openflame burner approximately 40 feet away There was a fire and explosion The employee sustained 2nd and 3rd degreeburns on the lower half of his body and was hospitalized

OSHA inspection 607366 an employee was sawing an airplane wing into sections with a portable powered handsaw the saw created a spark that caused an explosion of gasoline vapors in the wing fuel tank Employee 1 killed andEmployee 2 injured in explosion and was hospitalized

OSHA inspection 309178523 employer was cited for violating Section 5(a)(1) of the Occupational Safety andHealth Act of 1970 often referred to as the General Duty Clause which requires employers to furnish to each of hisemployees employment and a place of employment which are free from recognized hazards that are causing or arelikely to cause death or serious physical harm to his employees for exposing employee to an explosion hazard byopening the hydrogen tube trailer main valve without using non-sparking tools

OSHA inspection 304994304 employer was cited for violating Section 5(a)(1) of the Occupational Safety andHealth Act of 1970 violation for exposing employee to a fireexplosion hazard while performing maintenance operationson LP gas tanks with ferrous tools One feasible and acceptable abatement method to correct this hazard is toimplement the use of non- sparking toolsThe Report of the BP US Refineries independent Safety Review Panel also known as the Baker Panel Report states

that ldquoPreventing process accidents requires vigilance The passing of time without a process accident is not necessarilyan indicator that all is well and may contribute to a dangerous and growing sense of complacencyrdquo This sample ofOSHA documented events illustrates accidents do happen when proper safety measures are not taken againstmechanical sparks from steel tools as a possible ignition sourceHaving said that we appreciate the Committeersquos time and agree with the Committee that procedures for cleanup of

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Report on Comments ndash June 2011 NFPA 30Aspills is not within the scope of NFPA 30A

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Report on Comments ndash June 2011 NFPA 30A_______________________________________________________________________________________________30A- Log 7

_______________________________________________________________________________________________Robert Bourke Northeastern Regional Fire Code Development Committee

30A-19Add a new section to read 11721 Where approved by the Authority Having Jurisdiction piers

that extend more than 152 m (500 ft) in travel distance from shore shall be permitted to provide a Class I standpipe thatis installed in accordance with NFPA 14 Standard for the Installation of Standpipe and Hose Systems

The TC missed the point in the substantiation of the proposalIt was not the intent of the proposal to obtain additional flexibility of FD use over that which is provided by a Class III

standpipe system The intent of the proposal was to provide relief from the requirement where the local AHJ feels thatthe effectiveness and likelihood of occupant use of fire hoses does not justify the added risk to the occupant or theinstallation and maintenance costs associated with the requisite hose for a Class III system A Class I system would stillprovide FD fire fighting capabilities in jurisdictions where the AHJ prefers occupants to evacuate and not attempt to fightfires beyond portable fire extinguisher capability

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From Benedetti BobTo bcotnerswriorgCc Harrington Greg Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiBcc May PaulSubject Inquiry NFPA 30 amp NFPA 30ADate Thursday July 08 2010 121900 PM

Good Morning Mr Cotner Greg Harrington asked that I respond to your question about the proper use ofintermediate bulk containers Actually an intermediate bulk container is a shipping vessel that must meetrequirements and specifications of the U S Department of Transportation for shippingmaterials from Point A to Point B It is not intended to be a storage vessel althoughthe liquid contained is obviously dispensed from the vessel for use Dispensing of motor fuels is covered by NFPA 30A Code for Motor Fuel DispensingFacilities and Repair Garages NFPA 30A states in Subsection 421 421 Liquids shall be stored in the following(1) Approved closed containers that do not exceed 227 L (60 gal) capacity and arelocated outside buildings(2) Tanks or approved closed containers located inside motor fuel dispensingfacilities or repair garages(3) Aboveground tanks underground tanks and containers in accordance with therequirements of Section 43(4) Tanks supplying marine service stations in accordance with Section 112 Section 43 states the following 432 Aboveground Storage Tanks Except as modified by the provisions of thissubsection aboveground storage tanks shall meet all applicable requirements ofChapters 21 through 23 and 27 of NFPA 30 Flammable and Combustible Liquids Code So in accordance with NFPA 30A Subsection 421(3) indicates that abovegroundstorage of motor fuel must be in a tank that meets the provisions of Section 43 Thelatter in turn references the Chapters in NFPA 30 that deal with fixed storage tanks Nowhere in these chapters is there any reference to an intermediate bulk container Chapter 9 of NFPA 30 does recognize an intermediate bulk container for warehouse-type storage of Class I flammable liquids but does not anticipate continual dispensingand use One could evaluate an intermediate bulk container as a means of long-term storageand dispensing of liquids under the Equivalency clause My opinion is that an intermediate bulk container is not considered a substitute for anaboveground storage tank but this is not specifically stated in the relevant codes This issue will be added to the agendas for the Technical Committees involved Please understand that this response is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 ofNFPArsquos Regulations Governing Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon todefinitively determine compliance with any laws ordinances rules or regulations Todetermine legal compliance you should refer to the appropriate authority havingjurisdiction or seek legal advice It is not intended nor should it be relied upon toprovide professional consultation or services To determine the adequacy or safety ofany device or installation you should consult with an appropriate professional

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I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write Iwill be happy to assist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant toNFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does notnecessarily represent the official position of the NFPA or its Technical Committees Inaddition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it be relied upon to provideprofessional consultation or services cc 30IFI 30AIFI AUVNM FLCSWCNM FLCTANNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

If you have a reported fire in your home the risk of dyingdecreases by about 80 percent when sprinklers are present

wwwfiresprinklerinitiativeorgNotice The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intendedfor the exclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential andor privileged information If you arenot the intended recipient please notify Robert Benedetti immediately by replying to the message or by calling(617) 984-7433 Please delete this message and any attachments from your system Thank you

From Harrington Greg Sent Wednesday July 07 2010 350 PMTo Benedetti BobSubject FW Intermediate Bulk Containers Hi Bob Can you answer the question below Hersquos a friend of mine former inspector with San Antonio FD when Iworked down there now a safety guy at SWRI Thanks a lot --Greg

From Bill Cotner [mailtobcotnerswriorg] Sent Wednesday July 07 2010 332 PMTo Harrington GregSubject Intermediate Bulk Containers Hey Greg howrsquos the heat in Boston here it is a balmy 93 enjoying it I have a question probably out ofyour area but Irsquom sure you know who to route it to We have a group here that wants to dispense fuelfrom a stainless steel IBC into test engines I donrsquot think that is the intended use or what it has beenlisted for Can I get some guidance on this issue I appreciate anything you can do for me Bill Bill CotnerSenior Fire SpecialistEnvironmental Safety and Quality SystemsSouthwest Research InstitutePhone (210) 522-5101Fax (210) 522-5093Mobile (210) 669-7005Email bcotner swriorg

From Benedetti BobTo Ebanks DesmondCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiBcc May PaulSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Monday June 14 2010 35400 PM

Good afternoon Mr Ebanks The intent of Subsection 422 of NFPA 30A Code for Motor Fuel Dispensing Facilities and RepairGarages is that there be no direct piped connection between the aboveground storage tank inthe bulk plant and the fuel dispensing device in the motor fuel dispensing facility In my opinionthis includes any intervening underground storage tank The hazard being addressed is the potential to overfill the underground storage tank due to thestatic head of the liquid in the aboveground storage tank Please understand that this response is a personal opinion and does not constitute a FormalInterpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 of NFPArsquos RegulationsGoverning Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitively determine compliancewith any laws ordinances rules or regulations To determine legal compliance you shouldrefer to the appropriate authority having jurisdiction or seek legal advice It is not intended norshould it be relied upon to provide professional consultation or services To determine theadequacy or safety of any device or installation you should consult with an appropriateprofessional I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will behappy to assist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPARegulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarilyrepresent the official position of the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition thiscorrespondence is neither intended nor should it be relied upon to provide professional consultation orservices cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg Attend the premier event for fire life safety and electrical professionals

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From Ebanks Desmond [mailtoDesmondEbanksgovky] Sent Monday May 24 2010 940 AMTo Benedetti BobSubject bulk storage supply to motor fuel facilities Hi Bob NFPA 30A (2003) 422 gives to positions in relation to motor fuel dispensing facilities (mfdf) that I would like to havefurther clarified for Code intent please The first is that dispensing devices at the mfdf shall not be supplied by ASTs located in the bulk plant Does this implythat supply from a UST (underground storage tank) in the bulk storage facility would be acceptable or to the other extentthat even if the bulk AST supplied a loading rack which in turn supplied a UST both in the bulk facility that supplyfrom the bulk AST is still not permitted The second statement refers to any storage tank at the mfdf saying they shall not be connected by piping to bulkfacility ASTs Similarly does this imply that a UST (underground storage tank) in the bulk storage facility would beacceptable or that if the bulk tank was connected to a loading rack and the loading rack connected by non-permanentmeans to an mfdf tank that this would be permissible RegardsDes EbanksAssistant Petroleum InspectorThe Petroleum InspectorateCayman Islands GovernmentAnderson Square 4th floorPO Box 31213Grand CaymanKY1-1205Cayman IslandsOffice 345 244 3458Mobile 345 925 3317Fax 345 949 0920Email desmondebanksgovky

From Benedetti BobTo Shriniwas BodhankarCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiBcc May PaulSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Monday June 14 2010 50100 PM

Good day Sir There has been no discussion by the Technical Committee on Automotive and Marine ServiceStations to alter the separation distances in Table 4324 of NFPA 30A Code for Motor FuelDispensing Facilities and Repair Garages as they pertain to liquid fuels including high flashpoint diesel fuels Also there have been no proposals to make such a change to NFPA 30A I trust this answers your question R P Benedetti cc -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

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Notice The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for theexclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential andor privileged information If you are not the intendedrecipient please notify Robert Benedetti immediately by replying to the message or by calling (617) 984-7433 Please deletethis message and any attachments from your system Thank you

From Shriniwas Bodhankar [mailtobodhankarenoccom] Sent Tuesday June 01 2010 536 AMTo Maynard Mary Benedetti BobSubject NFPA 30 A Dear sir Reference is made to table no 4324 of NFPA code 30A specifying the minimum distance between storagetanks and dispensing equipment A dispenser should be placed minimum 50 feet away from a bunded abovegroundsteel tank to meet this requirementIn our opinion this is too stringent and uncalled for in case of high flash diesel ( Flash point above 65 degreecentigrade) A bunded tank where spill can be contained within bund is as safe as a vaulted tankfire resistanttankprotected tank Therefore it is equally safe to install an approved dispensing device immediately outside thebund provided the vent of the tank is 4 meters above the grade level on which the dispensing device is installedVarious international oil companies like SHELL amp BP carry similar installations for their fleet customers of dieselMoreover there are standard skids being marketed in EUROPE (even for gasoline) which have storage tanks and

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dispensers on same skid and such an arrangement is accepted by ldquoAuthority Having Jurisdictionrdquo(AHJ)Kindly advise if this standard requirement is being reviewed or otherwise if based on performance based designsuch a requirement may be waived or considered as ldquo highly recommendedrdquo in the leastBased on your feedback we wish to discuss this with AHJ in UAE Regards Regards Shriniwas BodhankarSenior EHS Compliance Officer( Special Projects)Group EHSQ Compliance DepartmentEmirates National Oil Company Limited (ENOC) LLC ENOC House I PO Box 6442Dubai United Arab EmiratesDirect +971 4 313 4437Fax +971 4 313 4482bodhankarenoccom | wwwenoccom

This message together with any attachments contains confidential information and is intended only for the use of theaddressee(s) and may contain information which is covered by legal professional or other privilege If you are not theintended recipient please inform the sender immediately and delete this e-mail You should not copy this e-mail or use itfor any purpose nor disclose its contents to any other person ENOC does not warrant that this transmission is virus freeand will not be liable for any damages resulting from any virus ENOC Dubai UAE

From Benedetti BobTo EActonccfireusCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiBcc May PaulSubject Inquiry NFPA 30A amp NFPA 30Date Monday August 02 2010 44400 PMAttachments DSC06169JPG

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Good day Mr Acton Fire protection provisions for major and minor repair garages and ldquolube-onlyrdquofacilities which is the topic of your concern are provided in NFPA 30A Code for MotorFuel Dispensing Facilities and Repair Garages currently 2008 edition Chapter 5 ofNFPA 30A covers piping systems but its specific provisions focus on piping systemsbetween fuel storage tanks and fuel dispensers Chapter 5 also directly referencesChapter 27 of the 2008 edition of NFPA 30 Flammable and Combustible Liquids Code(successor to Chapter 5 of the 2003 edition) Subsection 527 of NFPA 30A allows piping made from low-melting point materials tobe installed in exposed areas but only in specific locations These are limited tocontainment sumps under dispensers containment sumps for underground fuelstorage tanks and sumps for below-grade piping connections Chapter 5 of NFPA 30Ais silent on piping inside buildings Therefore the user is left with the provisions ofChapter 27 of NFPA 30 NFPA 30 in turn does allow piping fabricated of low melting point materials to beused exposed outdoors or inside buildings with the following provisions ldquo27441 Such materials shall be permitted to be used outdoors above ground orinside buildings provided they meet one of the following conditions (1) They are resistant to damage by fire(2) They are located so that any leakage resulting from failure will not exposepersons important buildings or structures(3) They are located where leakage can be controlled by operation of one or moreaccessible remotely located valvesrdquo Regardless of the material of construction of the piping and components the followinggeneral requirement from Chapter 27 of NFPA 30 always applies ldquo273 General Requirements2731 Performance Standards The design fabrication assembly test and inspectionof piping systems shall be suitable for the working pressures and structural stresses tobe encountered by the piping system Compliance with applicable sections of ASMEB31 Code for Pressure Piping and the provisions of this chapter shall be consideredprima facie evidence of compliance with the foregoing provisions2732 Tightness of Piping Piping systems shall be maintained liquidtight A pipingsystem that has leaks that constitute a hazard shall be emptied of liquid or repaired ina manner acceptable to the authority having jurisdictionrdquo Your interpretation of Subsection 511 of the 2003 edition of NFPA 30 (2711 in the2008 edition) is correct the chapter applies to any piping system that handles aflammable or combustible liquid regardless of pressure Likewise you are correct thatthe piping system must meet the provisions of ASME B31 for the material chosen andthe anticipated operating pressures and temperatures (531 in the 2003 edition 2741 in the 2008 edition) However low melting point materials (aluminum copperbrass and polymeric materials) are allowed under the provisions of Subsection 534(2003 edition) and 2744 (2008 edition) What must be determined is does thepiping system comply with one of the conditions stated in 27441 as stated above

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Please understand that this response is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 ofNFPArsquos Regulations Governing Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon todefinitively determine compliance with any laws ordinances rules or regulations Todetermine legal compliance you should refer to the appropriate authority havingjurisdiction or seek legal advice It is not intended nor should it be relied upon toprovide professional consultation or services To determine the adequacy or safety ofany device or installation you should consult with an appropriate professional I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write Iwill be happy to assist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant toNFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does notnecessarily represent the official position of the NFPA or its Technical Committees Inaddition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it be relied upon to provideprofessional consultation or services cc 30IFI 30AIFI AUVNM FLCTANNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

If you have a reported fire in your home the risk of dyingdecreases by about 80 percent when sprinklers are present

wwwfiresprinklerinitiativeorgNotice The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intendedfor the exclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential andor privileged information If you arenot the intended recipient please notify Robert Benedetti immediately by replying to the message or by calling(617) 984-7433 Please delete this message and any attachments from your system Thank you

From Eric Acton [mailtoEActonccfireus] Sent Monday July 19 2010 636 PMTo Benedetti BobSubject InterpretationOpinion request

Good day My name is Eric Acton I am the Fire Marshal for Campbell CountyWyoming and Irsquom employed by Campbell County Fire Department My NFPA

membership number is 2755369 My mailing and email addresses are listed below I am in need of a technical opinion regarding 2003 NFPA 30 Chapter 5 or morecurrently 2008 NFPA 30A Chapter 5 Some brief project backgroundAn owner within my jurisdiction has built a commercial lube-oil center to servicecustomersrsquo vehicles A ldquopitrdquo exists below the service bay to allow workers to drainthe oil from the vehicle then workers on the main floor refill the oil by use ofpressurized nozzles Several motor oil storage tanks are located in the pitaccounting for several brands and viscosities of oil The tanks are designed to befilled by use of a piping system which extends from an exterior connection vault toeach of the storage tanks using gravity to move the product in the fill-pipingsystem The material the owner chose to construct the fill-piping system wasldquostandardrdquo 1-12rdquo Schedule 40 PVC and Parker Series 7094 Electrically Non-Conductive rubber hose The piping system is exposed it is not underground nor isit protected from flame by means of a fire-rated chase Having identified the use of combustible liquids in this occupancy I utilized 2006International Fire Code (as adopted by my jurisdiction) Chapter 34 Flammable andCombustible Liquids to review and inspect the project IFC Section 340362referred me to NFPA 30 Chapter 5 for the construction materials to use where Iinterpreted (2003 version) 30511 to mean that the piping system components (pipetubing flanges bolting gaskets valves fittingshellip) must meet the requirementsregardless of pressure And that the following components specified in theparagraph must meet the requirements ONLY if they contained pressure ndashhelliprdquoexpansion joints and strainers and devices such thathelliprdquo I further interpreted(2003 version) 30531 Material Specifications similarly in that the ldquoPipe valvesfaucets couplingshelliprdquo must meet the requirements regardless of pressure while ldquohellipother pressure-containing partshelliprdquo meant ONLY the other parts that containedpressure Verbatim to 30511 is encountered in 2008 NFPA 30A Chapter 5paragraph 51 Scope The owner states his piping complies with the standard cited because it is gravity-fed hence no ldquopressurerdquo is seen by the piping components I maintain that thepiping system shall consist of metal pipe (or another material meeting therequirements of ASME B31 as allowed by 2003 NFPA 30531) to comply with NFPA30 and IFC Some assistance to resolve this problem is greatly appreciated I have attachedsome photographs for clarification Thanks for your attentionEric

Eric ActonFire MarshalCampbell County Fire Department 106 Rohan Avenue Gillette WY 82716 (307) 682-5319 ext 8912(307) 686-2222 Fax(307) 680-9612 Cell

eactonccfireus (No trees were harmed in the production of this e-mail however a huge number of electrons were horribly inconvenienced)

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From Benedetti BobTo Howard Jim (Woodbridge)Cc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiBcc May PaulSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Monday June 28 2010 115100 AM

Good morning Mr Howard First I appreciate your patience with me while I reviewed the information sent to meby yourself and Mr Luby of Veeder-Root I wanted to ensure that I thoroughlyunderstood how the system functions in its line leak detection mode My understanding of the arrangement of the piping system from the pair ofunderground storage tanks is that the electronic line leak detector the PLLD tests thesupply piping from the two submersible pumps to the dispensers as a single system This includes the direct piping run from the master pump to the dispensers AND thepiping that connects the slave pump to the direct piping run The intent of Subsection 642 of the 2008 edition of NFPA 30A Code for Motor FuelDispensing Facilities and Repair Garages is to ensure that some type of leak detectiondevice monitors the piping from the submersible pump to the dispensers in such amanner that a leak in the piping leading to the dispensers or in the dispensersthemselves is detected and notification of a leak given Since the two pumps act intandem and since the entire piping system from the pumps to the dispensers ismonitored my personal opinion is that the intent of Subsection 642 is met andevaluation of the system described as being equivalent to what is required bySubsection 642 is reasonable Whether the system described meets the criteria of Section 15 Equivalency of NFPA30A must be determined by the authority having jurisdiction As NFPA Staff Liaison forNFPA 30A I cannot make such a determination under NFPArsquos Regulations GoverningCommittee Projects Please understand that this response is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 ofNFPArsquos Regulations Governing Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon todefinitively determine compliance with any laws ordinances rules or regulations Todetermine legal compliance you should refer to the appropriate authority havingjurisdiction or seek legal advice It is not intended nor should it be relied upon toprovide professional consultation or services To determine the adequacy or safety ofany device or installation you should consult with an appropriate professional I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write Iwill be happy to assist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant toNFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does notnecessarily represent the official position of the NFPA or its Technical Committees Inaddition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it be relied upon to provideprofessional consultation or services cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids Engineer

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National Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

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From Howard Jim (Woodbridge) [mailtoJHowardhesscom] Sent Monday June 14 2010 1144 AMTo Benedetti BobCc Howard Jim (Woodbridge) Bob Luby Subject Importance High Bob It was a pleasure talking to you this morning regarding the Line Leak Detection applicationin place at Hess Station 08501 - Milltown DE (drawing attached) as well as several thousandlocations worldwide Here is some background information on this installation

Site had 3 - 10000 gallon gasoline tanks 1 - 10000 Regular (87) 1 - 10000 Plus (89) 1 - 10000 Premium (93) prior to our Dispenser Replacement Project Because of theoverwhelming demand for Regular gasoline (887 in 2009) we converted the existingPlus tank to additional Regular storageDispensers were replaced with new Blend Dispensers Tanks were not manifoldedRegular and former-Plus product lines were manifolded at each dispenserWe installed Veeder-Root PLLDs (Electronic Line Leak Detectors) on the Regular 1and Premium STPs We installed a non-vented Swift Check on Regular 2 (formerPlus) STP Because the PLLD is vented we MUST install a non-vented swift check onRegular STP 2 in order to test the system as a wholeWe have demonstrated via post-construction testing that the system will pick up a 3gph leak

The State of DE has questioned our compliance with NFPA 30A 642 Each pump shallhave installed on the discharge side a listed leak detection device that will provide an audibleor visible indication if the piping or a dispenser is leaking Each leak-detecting device shallbe checked and tested at least annually according to the manufacturers specifications toensure proper installation and operation

Can you comment on whether the system shown on the attached and described above and onour call meets the NFPA requirement or if it meets the definition of Equivalency as definedin Chapter 15 - Equivalency Thank you in advance for your consideration in this matter Please do not hesitate to contactme if there are any questions or concerns on this application ThanksJim Howard RFMPManager Maintenance amp UST ComplianceHess Corporation732-750-6220 (office)800-903-4801 (Emergency Hotline)E-mail UST Inspections to USTCompliancehesscomFax UST Inspections to 866-435-6744

This e-mail and any attachments are for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may containinformation that is confidential If you are not the intended recipient(s) and have received this e-mail in error please immediately notify the sender by return e-mail and delete this e-mail fromyour computer Any distribution disclosure or the taking of any other action by anyone other thanthe intended recipient(s) is strictly prohibited

From Benedetti BobTo Gary KostalCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiBcc May PaulSubject Inquiry NFPA 30 NFPA 30ADate Tuesday August 10 2010 43200 PM

Good afternoon Mr Kostal There are no provisions in NFPA 30 Flammable and Combustible Liquids Code togovern dispensing of motor fuels into motorized equipment and the devices youdescribe are not mentioned at all in NFPA 30 or in the only other related NFPAdocument that might apply NFPA 30A Code for Motor Fuel Dispensing Facilities andRepair Garages I cannot say that these units are either allowed or disallowed because neither NFPA30 nor NFPA 30A speaks about them The only provisions that might apply are the quantity limitations established in thesetwo codes depending on which code applies If the maintenance building is considered an industrial occupancy then Chapter 9 ofNFPA 30 establishes a maximum allowable quantity for of 120 gallons for Class Iliquids (The maximum allowable quantity is actually a threshold value Up to theMAQ compliance with NFPA 30 is not required above it NFPA 30 applies) If the maintenance building is considered a repair garage then NFPA 30A takesprecedence It also sets a 120 gallon limit on the maximum quantity of Class I liquid In both cases the quantity of fuel involved is 50 percent of the maximum allowed Myopinion is that there is no violation of either NFPA 30 or NFPA 30A Please understand that this response is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 ofNFPArsquos Regulations Governing Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon todefinitively determine compliance with any laws ordinances rules or regulations Todetermine legal compliance you should refer to the appropriate authority havingjurisdiction or seek legal advice It is not intended nor should it be relied upon toprovide professional consultation or services To determine the adequacy or safety ofany device or installation you should consult with an appropriate professional I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write Iwill be happy to assist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant toNFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does notnecessarily represent the official position of the NFPA or its Technical Committees Inaddition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it be relied upon to provideprofessional consultation or services cc 30IFI 30AIFI-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch Park

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Quincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg Important Notice This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPA RegulationsAny opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarily represent the officialposition of the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition this correspondence is neither intended norshould it be relied upon to provide professional consultation or services

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From Gary Kostal [mailtogarykbloomingdalefirecom] Sent Monday August 09 2010 328 PMTo Benedetti BobSubject Looking for assistance - portable gas caddies Membership 2329840 Gary KostalFire Prevention DirectorBloomingdale Fire District Question (Non-formal opinion) I have a country club where they service a very large number of lawn maintenance equipment on a dailybasis They are utilizing a portable gas container (gas caddy) that holds approximately 30 gallons ofgasoline The unit is equipped with a hand style pump which is located on the top of the tank Fuel isdispensed from this tank as you crank the pump There are no nozzles located on the hose These gascaddies are being used inside their maintenance building which is fully fire sprinkled They are presentlyusing two of these devices inside the same building which is basically one days use

My question is are these devices allowed for this type of dispensing Are they required to be equippedwith a self closing nozzle What NFPA sections would apply to this particular type of device Thank you for your assistance in this matter

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ATTACHMENT No A9

From Benedetti BobTo SheldonSchallWisconsingovCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Wednesday September 30 2009 45929 PM

Good afternoon Sheldon I will here provide more detailed answers to your questions as posed in the email you sent to me today Section 30A-4323 limits tank storage capacity for Class I and II No limit for Class IIIA or IIIB

You are correct The intent of 4323 is to limit the capacities only of those tanks that storeClass I and II liquids Recall that when NFPA 30A initially allowed aboveground storage tanks atvehicle fueling sites biofuels were not in the picture just gasoline (Class I) and diesel fuel (ClassII) The Technical Committee at the time did not conceive that there would be the need to storeClass III fuels because there werenrsquot any The bottom line NFPA 30A does not limit the capacityof an aboveground storage tank that holds a motor fuel that is a Class III liquid

Section 30A-4324 refers to setbacks in Table 4324 No indication that these setbacks are specific toor exclude any class of flammable or combustible so it appears that the setbacks apply to Class I -Class IIIB liquids This table appears to conflict with the previous section for Class IIIA amp IIIB liquids

This is again correct that the separation distances in Table 4324 are not specific to anyparticular Class of liquid There is no conflict however 4323 deals with tank capacities 4324 deals with separation distances for the tanks Since 4324 does not specify anyparticular liquid class(es) it applies to ALL liquid classes

Section 30A-4325 allows an increased capacity for Class II and III liquids at fleet facilities Thisappears to conflict with section 4323 for Class III liquids which didnt have a capacity limit to startwith

Here there is a conflict or at least a serious inconsistency This provision was added one or twoeditions after 4323 and it appears that biofuels are beginning to be recognized It also appearsthat the intent here was to allow a relaxation of one limit in favor of a more liberal one Theproblem is the original limit doesnrsquot exist making it arguable that the application of 4325 toClass III liquids is meaningless Given the obvious intent here for some limit on Class III liquidfuels 4323 should be amended to include Class IIIs

Section 30A-4327 addresses dispensing from an aboveground tank for Class I and II liquids based uponspecific conditions

Paragraph 4322 is a hold-over dating back to when service stations were covered in Chapter 7of the old versions of NFPA 30 This set of requirements should also be amended to include ClassIIIs

Section 30A-4328 refers to NFPA 30-2171 for spill and overfill This section only applies to class Iand II liquids

While it is true that Subsection 2171 of NFPA 30 only applies to Classes I and II I do not believeit is a conflict for NFPA 30A to also apply it to Class III as well if the Technical Committee it isappropriate to do so However the language needs to be improved or an Annex item should beadded to explain the extrapolation and the reason for it

I will add this to the next meetingrsquos agenda for the Technical Committee on Automotive and MarineService Stations As usual the following applies Please understand that this response to your inquiry is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 of NFPArsquos RegulationsGoverning Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitively determine compliance with anylaws ordinances rules or regulations To determine the adequacy or safety of any device or installationyou should consult with an appropriate professional To determine legal compliance you should refer tothe appropriate authority having jurisdiction or seek legal advice

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I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will be happy toassist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarily represent the official positionof the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it berelied upon to provide professional consultation or services cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

Fire Prevention Week is October 4 ndash 10 2009 Visit wwwfirepreventionweekorg or call 800-344-3555 for moreinformation NFPA Seminars - Apply the codes with confidenceRegister at wwwnfpalearnorg NFPA Membership keeps you up-to-dateVisit wwwnfpaorgjoin for more information Or call 800-344-3555Notice The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for theexclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential andor privileged information If you are not the intendedrecipient please notify Robert Benedetti immediately by replying to the message or by calling (617) 984-7433 Please deletethis message and any attachments from your system Thank you Considering the variables in the sections referenced above are the setbacks in Table 4324 intended toapply to Class IIIA andor Class IIIB liquids for public fueling

From Schall Sheldon - COMMERCE [mailtoSheldonSchallWisconsingov] Sent Wednesday September 30 2009 832 AMTo Benedetti BobSubject NFPA 30A-4324 inquiry - URGENT Section 30A-4323 limits tank storage capacity for Class I and II No limit for Class IIIA or IIIB trueSection 30A-4324 refers to setbacks in Table 4324 No indication that these setbacks are specific toor exclude any class of flammable or combustible so it appears that the setbacks apply to Class I -Class IIIB liquids This table appears to conflict with the previous section for Class IIIA amp IIIB liquids Also trueSection 30A-4325 allows an increased capacity for Class II and III liquids at fleet facilities Thisappears to conflict with section 4323 for Class III liquids which didnt have a capacity limit to startwith Either one or the other needs to changeSection 30A-4327 addresses dispensing from an aboveground tank for Class I and II liquids based uponspecific conditions Need to cover IIIBSection 30A-4328 refers to NFPA 30-2171 for spill and overfill This section only applies to class Iand II liquids Class IIIs need to be specifically addressed Considering the variables in the sections referenced above are the setbacks in Table 4324 intended toapply to Class IIIA andor Class IIIB liquids for public fueling

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From Benedetti BobTo Bill HickmanCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Monday December 14 2009 50332 PM

Good afternoon Mr Hickman To answer your question the separation distances in Table 4324 of NFPA 30A Code for MotorFuel Dispensing Facilities and Repair Garages are intended to apply to outside abovegroundstorage tanks for fuel where such is allowed The tanks inside a service station building majorrepair garage or minor repair garage would likely be handling Class IIIB liquids (flash point gt200 degF) only in accordance with Subsection 4392 of NFPA 30A Subsection 4392 does not set any specific requirements for separation between tanks inside abuilding although it does refer back to Chapters 21 through 23 of NFPA 30 Flammable andCombustible Liquids Code Shell-to-shell spacing distances for aboveground tanks areestablished in Table 22421 Table 22421 is intended for much large tanks than one wouldfind in a repair garage or ldquolube-onlyrdquo facility For example the minimum separation for tanksstoring Class IIIB liquids is 3 feet as set forth in 224212 But again the separationdistances in Chapter 22 of NFPA 30 are intended for tank farm application not for the muchsmaller tanks found in the type of occupancy governed by NFPA 30A Also any facility meeting the requirements of NFPA 30A is considered to be in compliance withNFPA 30 Please understand that this response to your inquiry is a personal opinion and does notconstitute a Formal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 ofNFPArsquos Regulations Governing Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitivelydetermine compliance with any laws ordinances rules or regulations To determine theadequacy or safety of any device or installation you should consult with an appropriateprofessional To determine legal compliance you should refer to the appropriate authorityhaving jurisdiction or seek legal advice I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will behappy to assist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPARegulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarilyrepresent the official position of the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition thiscorrespondence is neither intended nor should it be relied upon to provide professional consultation orservices cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg If you have a reported fire in your home the risk of dyingdecreases by about 80 percent when sprinklers are present

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From Bill Hickman [mailtoBillHickmanstatecous] Sent Tuesday December 01 2009 939 AMTo Benedetti BobSubject Inquiry NFPA 30A - Storage of Liquids Inside Buildings Mr Benedetti Id appreciate your interpretation on an item regarding aboveground tanks storing lubricants (newused oil) inside abuilding at a repair garage NFPA 30A 439 does not include specific spacing requirements for tanks inside buildings Where there are multiple tanks being stored inside the building is there no minimum separation distance requirementthat must be met or do the requirements of Table 4324 apply Thank you in advance for your assistance __________________________________ Bill HickmanInspectorTechnical SpecialistCO Division of Oil amp Public Safety303-378-5090

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From Benedetti BobTo Peznowski EdwardCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Thursday September 03 2009 30455 PM

Hi Ed The 1996 edition of the Flammable and Combustible Liquids Code Handbook was the last one prior to thecurrent 2008 edition The commentary hasnrsquot changed My recollection of the development of this text is that the intent of NFPA 30A Code for Motor FuelDispensing Facilities and Repair Garages is to isolate the motor fuel dispensing area and its attendanthazard completely from the rest of the structure regardless of what else might be in the structure Subsection 524 assumes that the installation involves a motor fuel dispensing operation inside abuilding where you would not expect to have same such as an office building A bus repair facility wouldbe probably classed as a major repair garage and would be expected to have fueling operations Thehazard of this is in my opinion no greater than the repair operations It could be that the language in Subsection 524 needs to be clarified so that it applies only to situationssuch as I first described Please understand that this response to your inquiry is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 of NFPArsquos RegulationsGoverning Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitively determine compliance with anylaws ordinances rules or regulations To determine the adequacy or safety of any device or installationyou should consult with an appropriate professional To determine legal compliance you should refer tothe appropriate authority having jurisdiction or seek legal advice I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will be happy toassist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarily represent the official positionof the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it berelied upon to provide professional consultation or services cc 30AIFI 30AFAQ AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

Fire Prevention Week is October 4 ndash 10 2009 Visit wwwfirepreventionweekorg or call 800-344-3555 for moreinformation NFPA Seminars - Apply the codes with confidenceRegister at wwwnfpalearnorg NFPA Membership keeps you up-to-dateVisit wwwnfpaorgjoin for more information Or call 800-344-3555Notice The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for the

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exclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential andor privileged information If you are not the intendedrecipient please notify Robert Benedetti immediately by replying to the message or by calling (617) 984-7433 Please deletethis message and any attachments from your system Thank you

From Peznowski Edward [mailtoEdwardPeznowskipostatectus] Sent Monday August 31 2009 127 PMTo Benedetti BobSubject NFPA 30A Hi Bob Sorry to bother you but I need your help and interpretation of the following section of NFPA 30A 2000edition 524 - All piping inside buildings but outside the motor fuel dispensing area shall be enclosed within ahorizontal chase or a vertical shaft used only for this piping Vertical shafts and horizontal chases shall beconstructed of materials having a fire resistance rating of not less than 2 hours Bob I have a bus repair facility being built and we have fuel dispensing area within the building enclosedwith a 2hr fire resistive separation My question is I have diesel fuel piping coming from two tanks locatedoutside of the building the piping runs outside of the dispensing area does this piping need to be enclosed Ihave the proper UL listed system for through wall penetrations My problem lies here I have natural gas heating fuel oil lines for boilers and diesel fuel line for thegenerator all running through the area outside the 2 hour rated dispensing area which are not required to beenclosed My thought is within the 2 hour fire resistive construction I have storage rooms for grease and oil a office forfuel dispensing Any fuel piping running through these areas would be enclosed but once I go outside my 2hrrated enclosure the piping would not have to be enclosed NFPA 30A (1996edition)6-42 - All fuel and flammable vapor piping inside buildings but outside the service station area shall beenclosed within a horizontal chase or a vertical shaft used only for this piping Vertical shafts and horizontalchases shall be constructed of materials having a fire resistance rating of not less than 2 hoursCOMMENTARY 6-42 The intent of this requirement is to preserve the isolation of the service stationoperation from the rest of the building I donrsquot have the 2000 handbook for commentary Thanks Bob Edward J PeznowskiFire amp Life Safety SpecialistBureau of EngineeringOffice State Fire Marshal860-685-8350

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From Benedetti BobTo Hamilton James P (HOY)Cc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiSubject Inquiry NFPA 30A-2008Date Monday September 14 2009 115041 AM

Good morning Mr Hamilton The intent of this particular provision of Subsection 672 of NFPA 30A Code for Motor Fuel DispensingFacilities and Repair Garages is to ensure that the patron has access to a second disconnect if he or shecannot reach the primary disconnect ie the one that is between 20 and 100 feet from the dispenser In my opinion all of the emergency disconnects required by Section 67 must be at least 20 ft but normore than 100 ft from the nearest dispenser Please understand that this response to your inquiry is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 of NFPArsquos RegulationsGoverning Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitively determine compliance with anylaws ordinances rules or regulations To determine the adequacy or safety of any device or installationyou should consult with an appropriate professional To determine legal compliance you should refer tothe appropriate authority having jurisdiction or seek legal advice I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will be happy toassist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarily represent the official positionof the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it berelied upon to provide professional consultation or services cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

Fire Prevention Week is October 4 ndash 10 2009 Visit wwwfirepreventionweekorg or call 800-344-3555 for moreinformation NFPA Seminars - Apply the codes with confidenceRegister at wwwnfpalearnorg NFPA Membership keeps you up-to-dateVisit wwwnfpaorgjoin for more information Or call 800-344-3555Notice The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for theexclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential andor privileged information If you are not the intendedrecipient please notify Robert Benedetti immediately by replying to the message or by calling (617) 984-7433 Please deletethis message and any attachments from your system Thank you

From Hamilton James P (HOY) [mailtoHAMILTONJPbechteljacobsorg] Sent Thursday September 10 2009 1224 PMTo Benedetti BobSubject NFPA 30A 2008 Edition

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Importance High

NFPA 30A 672 states at least one additional device or disconnect shall be readily accessible toeach group of dispensing devices on an individual island Our installation does not have islands Should the second emergency shutoff be installed close to the pumps or between 20 and 100 ofthe pumps

Please respond back via email hamiltonjpbechteljacobsorg

Thanks

NFPA 127130 James P Hamilton CFPSTetraTek Inc - Fire Safety TechnologiesFire Protection LeadK-27 Pre-Demo Project 790 Emory Valley Rd 811 Oak Ridge TN 37830 ETTP Office 865-241-1902

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From Benedetti BobTo Scott DavonskiCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Tuesday August 04 2009 92429 AM

Good morning Mr Davonski My opinion is that the intent of the requirement in Subsection 1141 of NFPA 30A Code for Motor FuelDispensing Facilities and Repair Garages is that any hose longer than 18 feet should not simply bestrung along the dockrsquos surface Using a reel would be one means of securing the hose although Irsquomsure other methods such as hangers would work as well Please understand that this response to your inquiry is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 of NFPArsquos RegulationsGoverning Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitively determine compliance with anylaws ordinances rules or regulations To determine the adequacy or safety of any device or installationyou should consult with an appropriate professional To determine legal compliance you should refer tothe appropriate authority having jurisdiction or seek legal advice I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will be happy toassist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarily represent the official positionof the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it berelied upon to provide professional consultation or services cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

Fire Prevention Week is October 4 ndash 10 2009 Visit wwwfirepreventionweekorg or call 800-344-3555 for moreinformation NFPA Seminars - Apply the codes with confidenceRegister at wwwnfpalearnorg NFPA Membership keeps you up-to-dateVisit wwwnfpaorgjoin for more information Or call 800-344-3555Notice The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for theexclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential andor privileged information If you are not the intendedrecipient please notify Robert Benedetti immediately by replying to the message or by calling (617) 984-7433 Please deletethis message and any attachments from your system Thank you

From Scott Davonski [mailtodavonskiRiverheadlicom] Sent Wednesday July 22 2009 1118 AMTo Benedetti BobSubject 30A clarification

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1141 All hose shall be listed Where hose length exceeds 55 m (18 ft) the hose shall besecured so as to protect it from damage Can you provide clarification as to what is meant by ldquosecured so as to protect it fromdamagerdquo Is the standard looking not to have the hoses on the dock In a reel Any clarificationinformation would be appreciated Scott W DavonskiChief Fire MarshalTown of RiverheadP- 631-727-3200 ext 209F- 631-727-3370

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ATTACHMENT No A10
Page 22: TECHNICAL COMMITTEE ON AUTOMOTIVE and MARINE … · SUBJECT: Agenda for ROC Meeting – October 4, 2010 _____ Ladies and Gentlemen: Attached is the Agenda for the NFPA 30A Report

Report on Comments ndash June 2011 NFPA 30A_______________________________________________________________________________________________30A- Log 3

_______________________________________________________________________________________________David B Wechsler The Dow Chemical Company

30A-34Revise and add new sentences shown under 831 and A831 and modify Table 831 as

indicated831 Table 831 shall be used to delineate and classify areas for the purposes of installing electrical wiring and

electrical utilization equipment (See also Figure 831) WARNING The US National Electrical Code has differentequipment and installation requirements from other International Standards Therefore for example equipment used inEurope may not be acceptable for installation in the USA831 The designation and decision installation and use of electrical equipment for Classes and Divisions in

hazardous (classified) locations are defined Article 500 501 and 504 of NFPA 70 National Electrical Code Thedesignation and design installation and use of electrical equipment for Classes and Zones in hazardous (classified)locations are defined in Article 505 and 504 of NFPA 70 National Electrical Code The designation and designinstallation and use of electrical equipment in lsquoZonesrsquo Zone 0 Zone 1 and Zone 2 are addressed in other internationalstandardsWithin Table 831 add a new column titled ldquoZones and copy the information from the Class I Zone column into this

new columnAlternatively to all of the above remove the ldquoZonesrdquo column completely from Table 831

While the stated intent of this proposal is understood as being to try and deal with the internationalnature of applying NFPA 30A there are problems with the approach presented by a simple extraction from the NECFirst as presented the new column only addresses the US Zone methodology The US Zone methodology for

flammable vapor gases liquids and combustible vapors and liquids is identified by the terms lsquoClass I Zone 0rsquo lsquoClass IZone 1rsquo and lsquoClass I Zone 2rsquo However under the IEC or ATEX (aka Europe International) the terms are simply lsquoZone0rsquo lsquoZone 1rsquo or lsquoZone 2rsquo Therefore the table revision is not correct for international useSecond this TIA and proposal was to lsquoincorporate the (European) Zone System of designating hazardous (classified)

locations and the allowable wiring methods and electrical utilization devices that can be used in themrsquo However the USNEC is not an international code Thus while the US NEC Article 505 does permit the use of the Class I Zonemethodology adding this column in NFPA 30A does not address the more complex nature of the design and installationproblems associated with Zone certified equipment in the US The NEC under Article 5059 Equipment provides for theuse of only AEx equipment as may be seen for example under paragraph ldquo(2) Zone Equipment Equipment meeting oneor more of the protection techniques described in 5058 shall be marked with all of the following in the order shown(1) Class(2) Zone(3) Symbol ldquoAExrdquo(4) Protection technique(s) in accordance with Table 5059(C)(2)(4)(5) Applicable gas classification group(s) in accordance with Table 9(C)(1)(2)Without adding additional text usersinspectors etc may think using Zones is just like using the Division methodology

This is not true and equipment not otherwise permitted under the US NEC may be installed because of the impliedactions currently reflected in this proposal This is a significant issue

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Report on Comments ndash June 2011 NFPA 30A_______________________________________________________________________________________________30A- Log 9

_______________________________________________________________________________________________Donald R Offerdahl North Dakota State Electrical Board

30A-36Insert figure for 831(B)

Insert Artwork Figure 831(A) and 831(B) Here

Proposal 30A-36 should have been accepted in principal these types of storage tanks and dispensersare widely used in farms construction sites and business fleet operations

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Report on Comments ndash June 2011 NFPA 30A_______________________________________________________________________________________________30A- Log 5

_______________________________________________________________________________________________Mindy Wang Ampco Safety Tools

30A-39Not proposing new text Please see comment in Substantiation

Although procedures for cleanup of spills is not within the scope of NFPA 30A we feel compelled toaddress API 2214 referenced by the Committee Information presented below shows API 2214 is misleading andundermines safe work practices In fact API 2214 conflicts with OSHA regulations Accredited Standards Developerrsquosstandards and safe work practices FM Approvals LLC formerly Factory Mutual Research Corporation (FM) is an international organization recognized

by the US government as a Nationally Recognized Testing Laboratory (NRTL) for scientific research and productcertification Product approval from a NRTL assures that products meet consensus-based standards of safety to providethe assurance required by OSHA that these products are safe for use in the United States workplace FM ApprovalStandard 7910 Spark Resistant Tools is used as guidance to evaluate tools intended for use in environments wherethere is a risk of ignition of flammable materials dusts or vapors resulting from sparks created by iron and steel handtools These tools prevent the ignition of flammable materials dusts or vapors by mechanical sparks created by the useof iron and steel hand tools slipping or striking a surface American Petroleum Institute (API) Publication 2214contradicts NRTL research and product certification as evidence in FM Approvals granted for spark resistance toolsFM has conducted tests of Ampco Safety Tools as covered in Report Job Identification No IN4A0AF in accordancewith the requirements of Safety Tools Approval Test Procedure Class 7910 and test results show

Sparks created from steel plates ignited carbon disulfide saturated pads eight of eight tests ethyl ether pads fiveof eight tests and naphtha VMampP four of eight tests

No sparks were observed and no ignition of the flammable liquids mentioned above from approved Ampco SafetyTools Other investigations also contradict APIrsquos conclusion on non-sparking tools A paper published in the Fire Protection

Journal ldquoThe Danger of Incendive Sparksrdquo stated that after APIrsquos conclusion on ldquonon-sparkingrdquo tools Institute ofPetroleum sought the advice of the Fire Research Board Committee on Industrial Fires and Explosion This committeecame to certain conclusions one of which was ldquoUntilhellipevidence is obtained to show that the impact of steel hand toolson steel is safe it is advisable to use non-sparking tools in situations where flammable atmospheres are unavoidablerdquo The NFPA Fire Protection Handbook 20th edition published in January 2008 does not support the conclusion that

API 2214 represents In fact many NFPA codes the use of ldquonon-sparkingrdquo tools in flammable atmospheresAccording to NFPA Fire Protection Handbook ldquoWhen flammable and combustible liquids are stored or handled theliquid is usually exposed to the air at some stage in the operation except where the storage is confined to sealedcontainers that are not filled or opened on the premises or where handling is in closed systems and vapor losses arerecovered Even when the storage or handling is in a closed system there is always the possibility of breaks or leakswhich permit the liquid to escape It is a to eliminate sources of ignition in places where low flashpointflammable liquids are stored handled or used even though no vapor may ordinarily be presentrdquo NFPA 921 Guide for Fire and Explosion Investigations 2008 Edition Chapter 5 Basic Fire Science Table 5711

Reported Burning and Sparking Temperature of Selected Ignition Sources under Mechanical Sparks lists a Steel tooltemperature at 2550degF When working with flammable gases liquids or vapors a potential hazard arises because of thepossibility that sparks produced by steel or iron tools can become an ignition source OSHA Flammable and Combustible Liquids regulation 29 CFR Parts 1910106(b) on tank storage paragraph

1910106(b)(6) states that precaution shall be taken to eliminate or control sources of ignitions including frictional heatand mechanical sparks to prevent the ignition of flammable vapors In OSHA regulation 29 CFR 1910146 Permit-Required Confined Spaces Appendix D Confined Space Pre-Entry

Check List non-sparking tool is listed as one type of entry equipment OSHA 29 CFR 1910146 StandardInterpretations Interpretative guidance and equipment approved for hazardous locations relative to the Permit-RequiredConfined Spaces states that ldquohellipthe standard does not prohibit entry into a permit space where a hazardous flammableatmosphere is at or above the 10 LFL For concentrations at or above 10 LFL paragraph (d) would theemployer to incorporate safe work procedures to address the flammableexplosive hazard (such as equipment approvedfor hazardous locations) in the entry plan for those spaces Electrical equipment as well as other sources of ignition(non-sparking hand tools) be considered and addressed for the hazardous atmosphererdquo OSHA regulation 29 CFR Parts 1910120 Hazardous waste operations and emergency response paragraph

1910120(j)(2)(v) requires that ldquoWhen there is a reasonable possibility of flammable atmospheres being present

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Report on Comments ndash June 2011 NFPA 30Amaterial handling equipment and hand tools shall be of the type to prevent sources of ignition EPA has identifiedsolvents such as xylene acetone ethyl acetate ethyl benzene and ethyl ether commonly used in all industries (theF-list) and discarded commercial chemical products such as acetone benzene ethyl ether and xylene (the P-list andU-list) as ignitable hazardous wastes API members such as ExxonMobil and Chevron as well as others in the petroleum industry such as Valero CITGO

Petroleum Corporation Chem-Supply Pty Ltd Irving Oil Ltd Petrol Star Inc Nova Chemicals and El Paso Corporationregularly the use of ldquonon-sparkingrdquo tools under Accidental Release Measures and Handling and Storage sectionsin the MSDSrsquos for their petroleum products These companies clearly recognize the need for ldquonon-sparkingrdquo tools inworking with and around flammable materials API 2214 Section 12 Background ldquohellipthese engineers pointed out that although numerous opportunities existed for

the production of sparks from violent contact of steel objects with other steel objects there was a negligible record offires resulting from such a causerdquo On the contrary there are a number of documented incidents involving flammablevapors ignited by steel sparks from tools A few examples are as follows

OSHA inspection 300965795 an employee in the process of cleaning loose material from drill piping with ametal hammer While striking the pipe with a hammer an explosion occurred Employee was killed in the explosion onsite

OSHA inspection 2272953 two employees were assigned the job of tending a 100 gallon (water jacket) reactorkettle of methyl methacrylate in the mixing room Employee 1 used a metal wrench (visegrips) to pry open the cover ofa kettle The wrench handle struck the angle iron support for the agitator motor producing a spark Employee 2noticed the spark which was immediately followed by a massive ldquofire ballrdquo Both employees were engulfed in thefireball Employee 3 came to the area to assist the other employees The investigation states that non-sparking toolswere not provided for the employees All three employees received first and second degree burns on their face armsand abdomen Employee 2 also received some third degree burns All three employees were hospitalized

OSHA inspection 124728437 Employee 1 and a coworker both maintenance mechanics were working in a 30inch by 36 inch manhole at a gas station Employee 1 was trying to change a fuel pump while the coworker watchedfrom outside the manhole Employee 1 was using an Allen wrench to loosen the bolts on the fuel pump lead when hecreated a spark that ignited the gas fumes in the manhole causing an explosion Employee 1 suffered burns to hisface hands arms and legs in the explosion and was hospitalized

OSHA inspection 111109237 Employee 1 or 3 attempted to cut a metal pipe with a metal saw whileEmployee 2 was standing on top of one of two 5000 gallon gas tanks trying to remove a tank fitting Sparks from thesaw the pipe wrench or another unknown source ignited the gas vapors which exploded Employees 1 and 3 werekilled of burns at the scene Employee 2 died at the burn center as a result of burns sustained in the explosion

OSHA inspection 102826625 Employee 1 worked for a company that cleans paints and replaces valves in LPand MAPP gas cylinders Before removing an old valve Employee 1 would open the valve to let the residual gas leakout on the loading dock Where there was a large quantity of cylinders Employee 1 would invert the cylinder so theresidual gas could vent faster Employee 1 had an accumulation of a gas and air mixture around his work area Thevapors were ignited either by a spark from the metal screwdriver he was using to open a damaged valve or by an openflame burner approximately 40 feet away There was a fire and explosion The employee sustained 2nd and 3rd degreeburns on the lower half of his body and was hospitalized

OSHA inspection 607366 an employee was sawing an airplane wing into sections with a portable powered handsaw the saw created a spark that caused an explosion of gasoline vapors in the wing fuel tank Employee 1 killed andEmployee 2 injured in explosion and was hospitalized

OSHA inspection 309178523 employer was cited for violating Section 5(a)(1) of the Occupational Safety andHealth Act of 1970 often referred to as the General Duty Clause which requires employers to furnish to each of hisemployees employment and a place of employment which are free from recognized hazards that are causing or arelikely to cause death or serious physical harm to his employees for exposing employee to an explosion hazard byopening the hydrogen tube trailer main valve without using non-sparking tools

OSHA inspection 304994304 employer was cited for violating Section 5(a)(1) of the Occupational Safety andHealth Act of 1970 violation for exposing employee to a fireexplosion hazard while performing maintenance operationson LP gas tanks with ferrous tools One feasible and acceptable abatement method to correct this hazard is toimplement the use of non- sparking toolsThe Report of the BP US Refineries independent Safety Review Panel also known as the Baker Panel Report states

that ldquoPreventing process accidents requires vigilance The passing of time without a process accident is not necessarilyan indicator that all is well and may contribute to a dangerous and growing sense of complacencyrdquo This sample ofOSHA documented events illustrates accidents do happen when proper safety measures are not taken againstmechanical sparks from steel tools as a possible ignition sourceHaving said that we appreciate the Committeersquos time and agree with the Committee that procedures for cleanup of

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Report on Comments ndash June 2011 NFPA 30Aspills is not within the scope of NFPA 30A

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Report on Comments ndash June 2011 NFPA 30A_______________________________________________________________________________________________30A- Log 7

_______________________________________________________________________________________________Robert Bourke Northeastern Regional Fire Code Development Committee

30A-19Add a new section to read 11721 Where approved by the Authority Having Jurisdiction piers

that extend more than 152 m (500 ft) in travel distance from shore shall be permitted to provide a Class I standpipe thatis installed in accordance with NFPA 14 Standard for the Installation of Standpipe and Hose Systems

The TC missed the point in the substantiation of the proposalIt was not the intent of the proposal to obtain additional flexibility of FD use over that which is provided by a Class III

standpipe system The intent of the proposal was to provide relief from the requirement where the local AHJ feels thatthe effectiveness and likelihood of occupant use of fire hoses does not justify the added risk to the occupant or theinstallation and maintenance costs associated with the requisite hose for a Class III system A Class I system would stillprovide FD fire fighting capabilities in jurisdictions where the AHJ prefers occupants to evacuate and not attempt to fightfires beyond portable fire extinguisher capability

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From Benedetti BobTo bcotnerswriorgCc Harrington Greg Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiBcc May PaulSubject Inquiry NFPA 30 amp NFPA 30ADate Thursday July 08 2010 121900 PM

Good Morning Mr Cotner Greg Harrington asked that I respond to your question about the proper use ofintermediate bulk containers Actually an intermediate bulk container is a shipping vessel that must meetrequirements and specifications of the U S Department of Transportation for shippingmaterials from Point A to Point B It is not intended to be a storage vessel althoughthe liquid contained is obviously dispensed from the vessel for use Dispensing of motor fuels is covered by NFPA 30A Code for Motor Fuel DispensingFacilities and Repair Garages NFPA 30A states in Subsection 421 421 Liquids shall be stored in the following(1) Approved closed containers that do not exceed 227 L (60 gal) capacity and arelocated outside buildings(2) Tanks or approved closed containers located inside motor fuel dispensingfacilities or repair garages(3) Aboveground tanks underground tanks and containers in accordance with therequirements of Section 43(4) Tanks supplying marine service stations in accordance with Section 112 Section 43 states the following 432 Aboveground Storage Tanks Except as modified by the provisions of thissubsection aboveground storage tanks shall meet all applicable requirements ofChapters 21 through 23 and 27 of NFPA 30 Flammable and Combustible Liquids Code So in accordance with NFPA 30A Subsection 421(3) indicates that abovegroundstorage of motor fuel must be in a tank that meets the provisions of Section 43 Thelatter in turn references the Chapters in NFPA 30 that deal with fixed storage tanks Nowhere in these chapters is there any reference to an intermediate bulk container Chapter 9 of NFPA 30 does recognize an intermediate bulk container for warehouse-type storage of Class I flammable liquids but does not anticipate continual dispensingand use One could evaluate an intermediate bulk container as a means of long-term storageand dispensing of liquids under the Equivalency clause My opinion is that an intermediate bulk container is not considered a substitute for anaboveground storage tank but this is not specifically stated in the relevant codes This issue will be added to the agendas for the Technical Committees involved Please understand that this response is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 ofNFPArsquos Regulations Governing Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon todefinitively determine compliance with any laws ordinances rules or regulations Todetermine legal compliance you should refer to the appropriate authority havingjurisdiction or seek legal advice It is not intended nor should it be relied upon toprovide professional consultation or services To determine the adequacy or safety ofany device or installation you should consult with an appropriate professional

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I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write Iwill be happy to assist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant toNFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does notnecessarily represent the official position of the NFPA or its Technical Committees Inaddition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it be relied upon to provideprofessional consultation or services cc 30IFI 30AIFI AUVNM FLCSWCNM FLCTANNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

If you have a reported fire in your home the risk of dyingdecreases by about 80 percent when sprinklers are present

wwwfiresprinklerinitiativeorgNotice The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intendedfor the exclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential andor privileged information If you arenot the intended recipient please notify Robert Benedetti immediately by replying to the message or by calling(617) 984-7433 Please delete this message and any attachments from your system Thank you

From Harrington Greg Sent Wednesday July 07 2010 350 PMTo Benedetti BobSubject FW Intermediate Bulk Containers Hi Bob Can you answer the question below Hersquos a friend of mine former inspector with San Antonio FD when Iworked down there now a safety guy at SWRI Thanks a lot --Greg

From Bill Cotner [mailtobcotnerswriorg] Sent Wednesday July 07 2010 332 PMTo Harrington GregSubject Intermediate Bulk Containers Hey Greg howrsquos the heat in Boston here it is a balmy 93 enjoying it I have a question probably out ofyour area but Irsquom sure you know who to route it to We have a group here that wants to dispense fuelfrom a stainless steel IBC into test engines I donrsquot think that is the intended use or what it has beenlisted for Can I get some guidance on this issue I appreciate anything you can do for me Bill Bill CotnerSenior Fire SpecialistEnvironmental Safety and Quality SystemsSouthwest Research InstitutePhone (210) 522-5101Fax (210) 522-5093Mobile (210) 669-7005Email bcotner swriorg

From Benedetti BobTo Ebanks DesmondCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiBcc May PaulSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Monday June 14 2010 35400 PM

Good afternoon Mr Ebanks The intent of Subsection 422 of NFPA 30A Code for Motor Fuel Dispensing Facilities and RepairGarages is that there be no direct piped connection between the aboveground storage tank inthe bulk plant and the fuel dispensing device in the motor fuel dispensing facility In my opinionthis includes any intervening underground storage tank The hazard being addressed is the potential to overfill the underground storage tank due to thestatic head of the liquid in the aboveground storage tank Please understand that this response is a personal opinion and does not constitute a FormalInterpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 of NFPArsquos RegulationsGoverning Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitively determine compliancewith any laws ordinances rules or regulations To determine legal compliance you shouldrefer to the appropriate authority having jurisdiction or seek legal advice It is not intended norshould it be relied upon to provide professional consultation or services To determine theadequacy or safety of any device or installation you should consult with an appropriateprofessional I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will behappy to assist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPARegulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarilyrepresent the official position of the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition thiscorrespondence is neither intended nor should it be relied upon to provide professional consultation orservices cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg Attend the premier event for fire life safety and electrical professionals

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From Ebanks Desmond [mailtoDesmondEbanksgovky] Sent Monday May 24 2010 940 AMTo Benedetti BobSubject bulk storage supply to motor fuel facilities Hi Bob NFPA 30A (2003) 422 gives to positions in relation to motor fuel dispensing facilities (mfdf) that I would like to havefurther clarified for Code intent please The first is that dispensing devices at the mfdf shall not be supplied by ASTs located in the bulk plant Does this implythat supply from a UST (underground storage tank) in the bulk storage facility would be acceptable or to the other extentthat even if the bulk AST supplied a loading rack which in turn supplied a UST both in the bulk facility that supplyfrom the bulk AST is still not permitted The second statement refers to any storage tank at the mfdf saying they shall not be connected by piping to bulkfacility ASTs Similarly does this imply that a UST (underground storage tank) in the bulk storage facility would beacceptable or that if the bulk tank was connected to a loading rack and the loading rack connected by non-permanentmeans to an mfdf tank that this would be permissible RegardsDes EbanksAssistant Petroleum InspectorThe Petroleum InspectorateCayman Islands GovernmentAnderson Square 4th floorPO Box 31213Grand CaymanKY1-1205Cayman IslandsOffice 345 244 3458Mobile 345 925 3317Fax 345 949 0920Email desmondebanksgovky

From Benedetti BobTo Shriniwas BodhankarCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiBcc May PaulSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Monday June 14 2010 50100 PM

Good day Sir There has been no discussion by the Technical Committee on Automotive and Marine ServiceStations to alter the separation distances in Table 4324 of NFPA 30A Code for Motor FuelDispensing Facilities and Repair Garages as they pertain to liquid fuels including high flashpoint diesel fuels Also there have been no proposals to make such a change to NFPA 30A I trust this answers your question R P Benedetti cc -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

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Notice The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for theexclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential andor privileged information If you are not the intendedrecipient please notify Robert Benedetti immediately by replying to the message or by calling (617) 984-7433 Please deletethis message and any attachments from your system Thank you

From Shriniwas Bodhankar [mailtobodhankarenoccom] Sent Tuesday June 01 2010 536 AMTo Maynard Mary Benedetti BobSubject NFPA 30 A Dear sir Reference is made to table no 4324 of NFPA code 30A specifying the minimum distance between storagetanks and dispensing equipment A dispenser should be placed minimum 50 feet away from a bunded abovegroundsteel tank to meet this requirementIn our opinion this is too stringent and uncalled for in case of high flash diesel ( Flash point above 65 degreecentigrade) A bunded tank where spill can be contained within bund is as safe as a vaulted tankfire resistanttankprotected tank Therefore it is equally safe to install an approved dispensing device immediately outside thebund provided the vent of the tank is 4 meters above the grade level on which the dispensing device is installedVarious international oil companies like SHELL amp BP carry similar installations for their fleet customers of dieselMoreover there are standard skids being marketed in EUROPE (even for gasoline) which have storage tanks and

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dispensers on same skid and such an arrangement is accepted by ldquoAuthority Having Jurisdictionrdquo(AHJ)Kindly advise if this standard requirement is being reviewed or otherwise if based on performance based designsuch a requirement may be waived or considered as ldquo highly recommendedrdquo in the leastBased on your feedback we wish to discuss this with AHJ in UAE Regards Regards Shriniwas BodhankarSenior EHS Compliance Officer( Special Projects)Group EHSQ Compliance DepartmentEmirates National Oil Company Limited (ENOC) LLC ENOC House I PO Box 6442Dubai United Arab EmiratesDirect +971 4 313 4437Fax +971 4 313 4482bodhankarenoccom | wwwenoccom

This message together with any attachments contains confidential information and is intended only for the use of theaddressee(s) and may contain information which is covered by legal professional or other privilege If you are not theintended recipient please inform the sender immediately and delete this e-mail You should not copy this e-mail or use itfor any purpose nor disclose its contents to any other person ENOC does not warrant that this transmission is virus freeand will not be liable for any damages resulting from any virus ENOC Dubai UAE

From Benedetti BobTo EActonccfireusCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiBcc May PaulSubject Inquiry NFPA 30A amp NFPA 30Date Monday August 02 2010 44400 PMAttachments DSC06169JPG

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Good day Mr Acton Fire protection provisions for major and minor repair garages and ldquolube-onlyrdquofacilities which is the topic of your concern are provided in NFPA 30A Code for MotorFuel Dispensing Facilities and Repair Garages currently 2008 edition Chapter 5 ofNFPA 30A covers piping systems but its specific provisions focus on piping systemsbetween fuel storage tanks and fuel dispensers Chapter 5 also directly referencesChapter 27 of the 2008 edition of NFPA 30 Flammable and Combustible Liquids Code(successor to Chapter 5 of the 2003 edition) Subsection 527 of NFPA 30A allows piping made from low-melting point materials tobe installed in exposed areas but only in specific locations These are limited tocontainment sumps under dispensers containment sumps for underground fuelstorage tanks and sumps for below-grade piping connections Chapter 5 of NFPA 30Ais silent on piping inside buildings Therefore the user is left with the provisions ofChapter 27 of NFPA 30 NFPA 30 in turn does allow piping fabricated of low melting point materials to beused exposed outdoors or inside buildings with the following provisions ldquo27441 Such materials shall be permitted to be used outdoors above ground orinside buildings provided they meet one of the following conditions (1) They are resistant to damage by fire(2) They are located so that any leakage resulting from failure will not exposepersons important buildings or structures(3) They are located where leakage can be controlled by operation of one or moreaccessible remotely located valvesrdquo Regardless of the material of construction of the piping and components the followinggeneral requirement from Chapter 27 of NFPA 30 always applies ldquo273 General Requirements2731 Performance Standards The design fabrication assembly test and inspectionof piping systems shall be suitable for the working pressures and structural stresses tobe encountered by the piping system Compliance with applicable sections of ASMEB31 Code for Pressure Piping and the provisions of this chapter shall be consideredprima facie evidence of compliance with the foregoing provisions2732 Tightness of Piping Piping systems shall be maintained liquidtight A pipingsystem that has leaks that constitute a hazard shall be emptied of liquid or repaired ina manner acceptable to the authority having jurisdictionrdquo Your interpretation of Subsection 511 of the 2003 edition of NFPA 30 (2711 in the2008 edition) is correct the chapter applies to any piping system that handles aflammable or combustible liquid regardless of pressure Likewise you are correct thatthe piping system must meet the provisions of ASME B31 for the material chosen andthe anticipated operating pressures and temperatures (531 in the 2003 edition 2741 in the 2008 edition) However low melting point materials (aluminum copperbrass and polymeric materials) are allowed under the provisions of Subsection 534(2003 edition) and 2744 (2008 edition) What must be determined is does thepiping system comply with one of the conditions stated in 27441 as stated above

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Please understand that this response is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 ofNFPArsquos Regulations Governing Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon todefinitively determine compliance with any laws ordinances rules or regulations Todetermine legal compliance you should refer to the appropriate authority havingjurisdiction or seek legal advice It is not intended nor should it be relied upon toprovide professional consultation or services To determine the adequacy or safety ofany device or installation you should consult with an appropriate professional I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write Iwill be happy to assist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant toNFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does notnecessarily represent the official position of the NFPA or its Technical Committees Inaddition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it be relied upon to provideprofessional consultation or services cc 30IFI 30AIFI AUVNM FLCTANNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

If you have a reported fire in your home the risk of dyingdecreases by about 80 percent when sprinklers are present

wwwfiresprinklerinitiativeorgNotice The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intendedfor the exclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential andor privileged information If you arenot the intended recipient please notify Robert Benedetti immediately by replying to the message or by calling(617) 984-7433 Please delete this message and any attachments from your system Thank you

From Eric Acton [mailtoEActonccfireus] Sent Monday July 19 2010 636 PMTo Benedetti BobSubject InterpretationOpinion request

Good day My name is Eric Acton I am the Fire Marshal for Campbell CountyWyoming and Irsquom employed by Campbell County Fire Department My NFPA

membership number is 2755369 My mailing and email addresses are listed below I am in need of a technical opinion regarding 2003 NFPA 30 Chapter 5 or morecurrently 2008 NFPA 30A Chapter 5 Some brief project backgroundAn owner within my jurisdiction has built a commercial lube-oil center to servicecustomersrsquo vehicles A ldquopitrdquo exists below the service bay to allow workers to drainthe oil from the vehicle then workers on the main floor refill the oil by use ofpressurized nozzles Several motor oil storage tanks are located in the pitaccounting for several brands and viscosities of oil The tanks are designed to befilled by use of a piping system which extends from an exterior connection vault toeach of the storage tanks using gravity to move the product in the fill-pipingsystem The material the owner chose to construct the fill-piping system wasldquostandardrdquo 1-12rdquo Schedule 40 PVC and Parker Series 7094 Electrically Non-Conductive rubber hose The piping system is exposed it is not underground nor isit protected from flame by means of a fire-rated chase Having identified the use of combustible liquids in this occupancy I utilized 2006International Fire Code (as adopted by my jurisdiction) Chapter 34 Flammable andCombustible Liquids to review and inspect the project IFC Section 340362referred me to NFPA 30 Chapter 5 for the construction materials to use where Iinterpreted (2003 version) 30511 to mean that the piping system components (pipetubing flanges bolting gaskets valves fittingshellip) must meet the requirementsregardless of pressure And that the following components specified in theparagraph must meet the requirements ONLY if they contained pressure ndashhelliprdquoexpansion joints and strainers and devices such thathelliprdquo I further interpreted(2003 version) 30531 Material Specifications similarly in that the ldquoPipe valvesfaucets couplingshelliprdquo must meet the requirements regardless of pressure while ldquohellipother pressure-containing partshelliprdquo meant ONLY the other parts that containedpressure Verbatim to 30511 is encountered in 2008 NFPA 30A Chapter 5paragraph 51 Scope The owner states his piping complies with the standard cited because it is gravity-fed hence no ldquopressurerdquo is seen by the piping components I maintain that thepiping system shall consist of metal pipe (or another material meeting therequirements of ASME B31 as allowed by 2003 NFPA 30531) to comply with NFPA30 and IFC Some assistance to resolve this problem is greatly appreciated I have attachedsome photographs for clarification Thanks for your attentionEric

Eric ActonFire MarshalCampbell County Fire Department 106 Rohan Avenue Gillette WY 82716 (307) 682-5319 ext 8912(307) 686-2222 Fax(307) 680-9612 Cell

eactonccfireus (No trees were harmed in the production of this e-mail however a huge number of electrons were horribly inconvenienced)

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From Benedetti BobTo Howard Jim (Woodbridge)Cc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiBcc May PaulSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Monday June 28 2010 115100 AM

Good morning Mr Howard First I appreciate your patience with me while I reviewed the information sent to meby yourself and Mr Luby of Veeder-Root I wanted to ensure that I thoroughlyunderstood how the system functions in its line leak detection mode My understanding of the arrangement of the piping system from the pair ofunderground storage tanks is that the electronic line leak detector the PLLD tests thesupply piping from the two submersible pumps to the dispensers as a single system This includes the direct piping run from the master pump to the dispensers AND thepiping that connects the slave pump to the direct piping run The intent of Subsection 642 of the 2008 edition of NFPA 30A Code for Motor FuelDispensing Facilities and Repair Garages is to ensure that some type of leak detectiondevice monitors the piping from the submersible pump to the dispensers in such amanner that a leak in the piping leading to the dispensers or in the dispensersthemselves is detected and notification of a leak given Since the two pumps act intandem and since the entire piping system from the pumps to the dispensers ismonitored my personal opinion is that the intent of Subsection 642 is met andevaluation of the system described as being equivalent to what is required bySubsection 642 is reasonable Whether the system described meets the criteria of Section 15 Equivalency of NFPA30A must be determined by the authority having jurisdiction As NFPA Staff Liaison forNFPA 30A I cannot make such a determination under NFPArsquos Regulations GoverningCommittee Projects Please understand that this response is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 ofNFPArsquos Regulations Governing Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon todefinitively determine compliance with any laws ordinances rules or regulations Todetermine legal compliance you should refer to the appropriate authority havingjurisdiction or seek legal advice It is not intended nor should it be relied upon toprovide professional consultation or services To determine the adequacy or safety ofany device or installation you should consult with an appropriate professional I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write Iwill be happy to assist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant toNFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does notnecessarily represent the official position of the NFPA or its Technical Committees Inaddition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it be relied upon to provideprofessional consultation or services cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids Engineer

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National Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

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From Howard Jim (Woodbridge) [mailtoJHowardhesscom] Sent Monday June 14 2010 1144 AMTo Benedetti BobCc Howard Jim (Woodbridge) Bob Luby Subject Importance High Bob It was a pleasure talking to you this morning regarding the Line Leak Detection applicationin place at Hess Station 08501 - Milltown DE (drawing attached) as well as several thousandlocations worldwide Here is some background information on this installation

Site had 3 - 10000 gallon gasoline tanks 1 - 10000 Regular (87) 1 - 10000 Plus (89) 1 - 10000 Premium (93) prior to our Dispenser Replacement Project Because of theoverwhelming demand for Regular gasoline (887 in 2009) we converted the existingPlus tank to additional Regular storageDispensers were replaced with new Blend Dispensers Tanks were not manifoldedRegular and former-Plus product lines were manifolded at each dispenserWe installed Veeder-Root PLLDs (Electronic Line Leak Detectors) on the Regular 1and Premium STPs We installed a non-vented Swift Check on Regular 2 (formerPlus) STP Because the PLLD is vented we MUST install a non-vented swift check onRegular STP 2 in order to test the system as a wholeWe have demonstrated via post-construction testing that the system will pick up a 3gph leak

The State of DE has questioned our compliance with NFPA 30A 642 Each pump shallhave installed on the discharge side a listed leak detection device that will provide an audibleor visible indication if the piping or a dispenser is leaking Each leak-detecting device shallbe checked and tested at least annually according to the manufacturers specifications toensure proper installation and operation

Can you comment on whether the system shown on the attached and described above and onour call meets the NFPA requirement or if it meets the definition of Equivalency as definedin Chapter 15 - Equivalency Thank you in advance for your consideration in this matter Please do not hesitate to contactme if there are any questions or concerns on this application ThanksJim Howard RFMPManager Maintenance amp UST ComplianceHess Corporation732-750-6220 (office)800-903-4801 (Emergency Hotline)E-mail UST Inspections to USTCompliancehesscomFax UST Inspections to 866-435-6744

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From Benedetti BobTo Gary KostalCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiBcc May PaulSubject Inquiry NFPA 30 NFPA 30ADate Tuesday August 10 2010 43200 PM

Good afternoon Mr Kostal There are no provisions in NFPA 30 Flammable and Combustible Liquids Code togovern dispensing of motor fuels into motorized equipment and the devices youdescribe are not mentioned at all in NFPA 30 or in the only other related NFPAdocument that might apply NFPA 30A Code for Motor Fuel Dispensing Facilities andRepair Garages I cannot say that these units are either allowed or disallowed because neither NFPA30 nor NFPA 30A speaks about them The only provisions that might apply are the quantity limitations established in thesetwo codes depending on which code applies If the maintenance building is considered an industrial occupancy then Chapter 9 ofNFPA 30 establishes a maximum allowable quantity for of 120 gallons for Class Iliquids (The maximum allowable quantity is actually a threshold value Up to theMAQ compliance with NFPA 30 is not required above it NFPA 30 applies) If the maintenance building is considered a repair garage then NFPA 30A takesprecedence It also sets a 120 gallon limit on the maximum quantity of Class I liquid In both cases the quantity of fuel involved is 50 percent of the maximum allowed Myopinion is that there is no violation of either NFPA 30 or NFPA 30A Please understand that this response is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 ofNFPArsquos Regulations Governing Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon todefinitively determine compliance with any laws ordinances rules or regulations Todetermine legal compliance you should refer to the appropriate authority havingjurisdiction or seek legal advice It is not intended nor should it be relied upon toprovide professional consultation or services To determine the adequacy or safety ofany device or installation you should consult with an appropriate professional I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write Iwill be happy to assist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant toNFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does notnecessarily represent the official position of the NFPA or its Technical Committees Inaddition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it be relied upon to provideprofessional consultation or services cc 30IFI 30AIFI-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch Park

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Quincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg Important Notice This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPA RegulationsAny opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarily represent the officialposition of the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition this correspondence is neither intended norshould it be relied upon to provide professional consultation or services

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From Gary Kostal [mailtogarykbloomingdalefirecom] Sent Monday August 09 2010 328 PMTo Benedetti BobSubject Looking for assistance - portable gas caddies Membership 2329840 Gary KostalFire Prevention DirectorBloomingdale Fire District Question (Non-formal opinion) I have a country club where they service a very large number of lawn maintenance equipment on a dailybasis They are utilizing a portable gas container (gas caddy) that holds approximately 30 gallons ofgasoline The unit is equipped with a hand style pump which is located on the top of the tank Fuel isdispensed from this tank as you crank the pump There are no nozzles located on the hose These gascaddies are being used inside their maintenance building which is fully fire sprinkled They are presentlyusing two of these devices inside the same building which is basically one days use

My question is are these devices allowed for this type of dispensing Are they required to be equippedwith a self closing nozzle What NFPA sections would apply to this particular type of device Thank you for your assistance in this matter

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From Benedetti BobTo SheldonSchallWisconsingovCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Wednesday September 30 2009 45929 PM

Good afternoon Sheldon I will here provide more detailed answers to your questions as posed in the email you sent to me today Section 30A-4323 limits tank storage capacity for Class I and II No limit for Class IIIA or IIIB

You are correct The intent of 4323 is to limit the capacities only of those tanks that storeClass I and II liquids Recall that when NFPA 30A initially allowed aboveground storage tanks atvehicle fueling sites biofuels were not in the picture just gasoline (Class I) and diesel fuel (ClassII) The Technical Committee at the time did not conceive that there would be the need to storeClass III fuels because there werenrsquot any The bottom line NFPA 30A does not limit the capacityof an aboveground storage tank that holds a motor fuel that is a Class III liquid

Section 30A-4324 refers to setbacks in Table 4324 No indication that these setbacks are specific toor exclude any class of flammable or combustible so it appears that the setbacks apply to Class I -Class IIIB liquids This table appears to conflict with the previous section for Class IIIA amp IIIB liquids

This is again correct that the separation distances in Table 4324 are not specific to anyparticular Class of liquid There is no conflict however 4323 deals with tank capacities 4324 deals with separation distances for the tanks Since 4324 does not specify anyparticular liquid class(es) it applies to ALL liquid classes

Section 30A-4325 allows an increased capacity for Class II and III liquids at fleet facilities Thisappears to conflict with section 4323 for Class III liquids which didnt have a capacity limit to startwith

Here there is a conflict or at least a serious inconsistency This provision was added one or twoeditions after 4323 and it appears that biofuels are beginning to be recognized It also appearsthat the intent here was to allow a relaxation of one limit in favor of a more liberal one Theproblem is the original limit doesnrsquot exist making it arguable that the application of 4325 toClass III liquids is meaningless Given the obvious intent here for some limit on Class III liquidfuels 4323 should be amended to include Class IIIs

Section 30A-4327 addresses dispensing from an aboveground tank for Class I and II liquids based uponspecific conditions

Paragraph 4322 is a hold-over dating back to when service stations were covered in Chapter 7of the old versions of NFPA 30 This set of requirements should also be amended to include ClassIIIs

Section 30A-4328 refers to NFPA 30-2171 for spill and overfill This section only applies to class Iand II liquids

While it is true that Subsection 2171 of NFPA 30 only applies to Classes I and II I do not believeit is a conflict for NFPA 30A to also apply it to Class III as well if the Technical Committee it isappropriate to do so However the language needs to be improved or an Annex item should beadded to explain the extrapolation and the reason for it

I will add this to the next meetingrsquos agenda for the Technical Committee on Automotive and MarineService Stations As usual the following applies Please understand that this response to your inquiry is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 of NFPArsquos RegulationsGoverning Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitively determine compliance with anylaws ordinances rules or regulations To determine the adequacy or safety of any device or installationyou should consult with an appropriate professional To determine legal compliance you should refer tothe appropriate authority having jurisdiction or seek legal advice

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I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will be happy toassist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarily represent the official positionof the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it berelied upon to provide professional consultation or services cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

Fire Prevention Week is October 4 ndash 10 2009 Visit wwwfirepreventionweekorg or call 800-344-3555 for moreinformation NFPA Seminars - Apply the codes with confidenceRegister at wwwnfpalearnorg NFPA Membership keeps you up-to-dateVisit wwwnfpaorgjoin for more information Or call 800-344-3555Notice The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for theexclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential andor privileged information If you are not the intendedrecipient please notify Robert Benedetti immediately by replying to the message or by calling (617) 984-7433 Please deletethis message and any attachments from your system Thank you Considering the variables in the sections referenced above are the setbacks in Table 4324 intended toapply to Class IIIA andor Class IIIB liquids for public fueling

From Schall Sheldon - COMMERCE [mailtoSheldonSchallWisconsingov] Sent Wednesday September 30 2009 832 AMTo Benedetti BobSubject NFPA 30A-4324 inquiry - URGENT Section 30A-4323 limits tank storage capacity for Class I and II No limit for Class IIIA or IIIB trueSection 30A-4324 refers to setbacks in Table 4324 No indication that these setbacks are specific toor exclude any class of flammable or combustible so it appears that the setbacks apply to Class I -Class IIIB liquids This table appears to conflict with the previous section for Class IIIA amp IIIB liquids Also trueSection 30A-4325 allows an increased capacity for Class II and III liquids at fleet facilities Thisappears to conflict with section 4323 for Class III liquids which didnt have a capacity limit to startwith Either one or the other needs to changeSection 30A-4327 addresses dispensing from an aboveground tank for Class I and II liquids based uponspecific conditions Need to cover IIIBSection 30A-4328 refers to NFPA 30-2171 for spill and overfill This section only applies to class Iand II liquids Class IIIs need to be specifically addressed Considering the variables in the sections referenced above are the setbacks in Table 4324 intended toapply to Class IIIA andor Class IIIB liquids for public fueling

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From Benedetti BobTo Bill HickmanCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Monday December 14 2009 50332 PM

Good afternoon Mr Hickman To answer your question the separation distances in Table 4324 of NFPA 30A Code for MotorFuel Dispensing Facilities and Repair Garages are intended to apply to outside abovegroundstorage tanks for fuel where such is allowed The tanks inside a service station building majorrepair garage or minor repair garage would likely be handling Class IIIB liquids (flash point gt200 degF) only in accordance with Subsection 4392 of NFPA 30A Subsection 4392 does not set any specific requirements for separation between tanks inside abuilding although it does refer back to Chapters 21 through 23 of NFPA 30 Flammable andCombustible Liquids Code Shell-to-shell spacing distances for aboveground tanks areestablished in Table 22421 Table 22421 is intended for much large tanks than one wouldfind in a repair garage or ldquolube-onlyrdquo facility For example the minimum separation for tanksstoring Class IIIB liquids is 3 feet as set forth in 224212 But again the separationdistances in Chapter 22 of NFPA 30 are intended for tank farm application not for the muchsmaller tanks found in the type of occupancy governed by NFPA 30A Also any facility meeting the requirements of NFPA 30A is considered to be in compliance withNFPA 30 Please understand that this response to your inquiry is a personal opinion and does notconstitute a Formal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 ofNFPArsquos Regulations Governing Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitivelydetermine compliance with any laws ordinances rules or regulations To determine theadequacy or safety of any device or installation you should consult with an appropriateprofessional To determine legal compliance you should refer to the appropriate authorityhaving jurisdiction or seek legal advice I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will behappy to assist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPARegulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarilyrepresent the official position of the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition thiscorrespondence is neither intended nor should it be relied upon to provide professional consultation orservices cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg If you have a reported fire in your home the risk of dyingdecreases by about 80 percent when sprinklers are present

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From Bill Hickman [mailtoBillHickmanstatecous] Sent Tuesday December 01 2009 939 AMTo Benedetti BobSubject Inquiry NFPA 30A - Storage of Liquids Inside Buildings Mr Benedetti Id appreciate your interpretation on an item regarding aboveground tanks storing lubricants (newused oil) inside abuilding at a repair garage NFPA 30A 439 does not include specific spacing requirements for tanks inside buildings Where there are multiple tanks being stored inside the building is there no minimum separation distance requirementthat must be met or do the requirements of Table 4324 apply Thank you in advance for your assistance __________________________________ Bill HickmanInspectorTechnical SpecialistCO Division of Oil amp Public Safety303-378-5090

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From Benedetti BobTo Peznowski EdwardCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Thursday September 03 2009 30455 PM

Hi Ed The 1996 edition of the Flammable and Combustible Liquids Code Handbook was the last one prior to thecurrent 2008 edition The commentary hasnrsquot changed My recollection of the development of this text is that the intent of NFPA 30A Code for Motor FuelDispensing Facilities and Repair Garages is to isolate the motor fuel dispensing area and its attendanthazard completely from the rest of the structure regardless of what else might be in the structure Subsection 524 assumes that the installation involves a motor fuel dispensing operation inside abuilding where you would not expect to have same such as an office building A bus repair facility wouldbe probably classed as a major repair garage and would be expected to have fueling operations Thehazard of this is in my opinion no greater than the repair operations It could be that the language in Subsection 524 needs to be clarified so that it applies only to situationssuch as I first described Please understand that this response to your inquiry is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 of NFPArsquos RegulationsGoverning Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitively determine compliance with anylaws ordinances rules or regulations To determine the adequacy or safety of any device or installationyou should consult with an appropriate professional To determine legal compliance you should refer tothe appropriate authority having jurisdiction or seek legal advice I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will be happy toassist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarily represent the official positionof the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it berelied upon to provide professional consultation or services cc 30AIFI 30AFAQ AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

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exclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential andor privileged information If you are not the intendedrecipient please notify Robert Benedetti immediately by replying to the message or by calling (617) 984-7433 Please deletethis message and any attachments from your system Thank you

From Peznowski Edward [mailtoEdwardPeznowskipostatectus] Sent Monday August 31 2009 127 PMTo Benedetti BobSubject NFPA 30A Hi Bob Sorry to bother you but I need your help and interpretation of the following section of NFPA 30A 2000edition 524 - All piping inside buildings but outside the motor fuel dispensing area shall be enclosed within ahorizontal chase or a vertical shaft used only for this piping Vertical shafts and horizontal chases shall beconstructed of materials having a fire resistance rating of not less than 2 hours Bob I have a bus repair facility being built and we have fuel dispensing area within the building enclosedwith a 2hr fire resistive separation My question is I have diesel fuel piping coming from two tanks locatedoutside of the building the piping runs outside of the dispensing area does this piping need to be enclosed Ihave the proper UL listed system for through wall penetrations My problem lies here I have natural gas heating fuel oil lines for boilers and diesel fuel line for thegenerator all running through the area outside the 2 hour rated dispensing area which are not required to beenclosed My thought is within the 2 hour fire resistive construction I have storage rooms for grease and oil a office forfuel dispensing Any fuel piping running through these areas would be enclosed but once I go outside my 2hrrated enclosure the piping would not have to be enclosed NFPA 30A (1996edition)6-42 - All fuel and flammable vapor piping inside buildings but outside the service station area shall beenclosed within a horizontal chase or a vertical shaft used only for this piping Vertical shafts and horizontalchases shall be constructed of materials having a fire resistance rating of not less than 2 hoursCOMMENTARY 6-42 The intent of this requirement is to preserve the isolation of the service stationoperation from the rest of the building I donrsquot have the 2000 handbook for commentary Thanks Bob Edward J PeznowskiFire amp Life Safety SpecialistBureau of EngineeringOffice State Fire Marshal860-685-8350

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From Benedetti BobTo Hamilton James P (HOY)Cc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiSubject Inquiry NFPA 30A-2008Date Monday September 14 2009 115041 AM

Good morning Mr Hamilton The intent of this particular provision of Subsection 672 of NFPA 30A Code for Motor Fuel DispensingFacilities and Repair Garages is to ensure that the patron has access to a second disconnect if he or shecannot reach the primary disconnect ie the one that is between 20 and 100 feet from the dispenser In my opinion all of the emergency disconnects required by Section 67 must be at least 20 ft but normore than 100 ft from the nearest dispenser Please understand that this response to your inquiry is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 of NFPArsquos RegulationsGoverning Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitively determine compliance with anylaws ordinances rules or regulations To determine the adequacy or safety of any device or installationyou should consult with an appropriate professional To determine legal compliance you should refer tothe appropriate authority having jurisdiction or seek legal advice I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will be happy toassist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarily represent the official positionof the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it berelied upon to provide professional consultation or services cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

Fire Prevention Week is October 4 ndash 10 2009 Visit wwwfirepreventionweekorg or call 800-344-3555 for moreinformation NFPA Seminars - Apply the codes with confidenceRegister at wwwnfpalearnorg NFPA Membership keeps you up-to-dateVisit wwwnfpaorgjoin for more information Or call 800-344-3555Notice The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for theexclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential andor privileged information If you are not the intendedrecipient please notify Robert Benedetti immediately by replying to the message or by calling (617) 984-7433 Please deletethis message and any attachments from your system Thank you

From Hamilton James P (HOY) [mailtoHAMILTONJPbechteljacobsorg] Sent Thursday September 10 2009 1224 PMTo Benedetti BobSubject NFPA 30A 2008 Edition

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Importance High

NFPA 30A 672 states at least one additional device or disconnect shall be readily accessible toeach group of dispensing devices on an individual island Our installation does not have islands Should the second emergency shutoff be installed close to the pumps or between 20 and 100 ofthe pumps

Please respond back via email hamiltonjpbechteljacobsorg

Thanks

NFPA 127130 James P Hamilton CFPSTetraTek Inc - Fire Safety TechnologiesFire Protection LeadK-27 Pre-Demo Project 790 Emory Valley Rd 811 Oak Ridge TN 37830 ETTP Office 865-241-1902

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From Benedetti BobTo Scott DavonskiCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Tuesday August 04 2009 92429 AM

Good morning Mr Davonski My opinion is that the intent of the requirement in Subsection 1141 of NFPA 30A Code for Motor FuelDispensing Facilities and Repair Garages is that any hose longer than 18 feet should not simply bestrung along the dockrsquos surface Using a reel would be one means of securing the hose although Irsquomsure other methods such as hangers would work as well Please understand that this response to your inquiry is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 of NFPArsquos RegulationsGoverning Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitively determine compliance with anylaws ordinances rules or regulations To determine the adequacy or safety of any device or installationyou should consult with an appropriate professional To determine legal compliance you should refer tothe appropriate authority having jurisdiction or seek legal advice I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will be happy toassist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarily represent the official positionof the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it berelied upon to provide professional consultation or services cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

Fire Prevention Week is October 4 ndash 10 2009 Visit wwwfirepreventionweekorg or call 800-344-3555 for moreinformation NFPA Seminars - Apply the codes with confidenceRegister at wwwnfpalearnorg NFPA Membership keeps you up-to-dateVisit wwwnfpaorgjoin for more information Or call 800-344-3555Notice The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for theexclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential andor privileged information If you are not the intendedrecipient please notify Robert Benedetti immediately by replying to the message or by calling (617) 984-7433 Please deletethis message and any attachments from your system Thank you

From Scott Davonski [mailtodavonskiRiverheadlicom] Sent Wednesday July 22 2009 1118 AMTo Benedetti BobSubject 30A clarification

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1141 All hose shall be listed Where hose length exceeds 55 m (18 ft) the hose shall besecured so as to protect it from damage Can you provide clarification as to what is meant by ldquosecured so as to protect it fromdamagerdquo Is the standard looking not to have the hoses on the dock In a reel Any clarificationinformation would be appreciated Scott W DavonskiChief Fire MarshalTown of RiverheadP- 631-727-3200 ext 209F- 631-727-3370

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Page 23: TECHNICAL COMMITTEE ON AUTOMOTIVE and MARINE … · SUBJECT: Agenda for ROC Meeting – October 4, 2010 _____ Ladies and Gentlemen: Attached is the Agenda for the NFPA 30A Report

Report on Comments ndash June 2011 NFPA 30A_______________________________________________________________________________________________30A- Log 9

_______________________________________________________________________________________________Donald R Offerdahl North Dakota State Electrical Board

30A-36Insert figure for 831(B)

Insert Artwork Figure 831(A) and 831(B) Here

Proposal 30A-36 should have been accepted in principal these types of storage tanks and dispensersare widely used in farms construction sites and business fleet operations

8Printed on 9132010

Report on Comments ndash June 2011 NFPA 30A_______________________________________________________________________________________________30A- Log 5

_______________________________________________________________________________________________Mindy Wang Ampco Safety Tools

30A-39Not proposing new text Please see comment in Substantiation

Although procedures for cleanup of spills is not within the scope of NFPA 30A we feel compelled toaddress API 2214 referenced by the Committee Information presented below shows API 2214 is misleading andundermines safe work practices In fact API 2214 conflicts with OSHA regulations Accredited Standards Developerrsquosstandards and safe work practices FM Approvals LLC formerly Factory Mutual Research Corporation (FM) is an international organization recognized

by the US government as a Nationally Recognized Testing Laboratory (NRTL) for scientific research and productcertification Product approval from a NRTL assures that products meet consensus-based standards of safety to providethe assurance required by OSHA that these products are safe for use in the United States workplace FM ApprovalStandard 7910 Spark Resistant Tools is used as guidance to evaluate tools intended for use in environments wherethere is a risk of ignition of flammable materials dusts or vapors resulting from sparks created by iron and steel handtools These tools prevent the ignition of flammable materials dusts or vapors by mechanical sparks created by the useof iron and steel hand tools slipping or striking a surface American Petroleum Institute (API) Publication 2214contradicts NRTL research and product certification as evidence in FM Approvals granted for spark resistance toolsFM has conducted tests of Ampco Safety Tools as covered in Report Job Identification No IN4A0AF in accordancewith the requirements of Safety Tools Approval Test Procedure Class 7910 and test results show

Sparks created from steel plates ignited carbon disulfide saturated pads eight of eight tests ethyl ether pads fiveof eight tests and naphtha VMampP four of eight tests

No sparks were observed and no ignition of the flammable liquids mentioned above from approved Ampco SafetyTools Other investigations also contradict APIrsquos conclusion on non-sparking tools A paper published in the Fire Protection

Journal ldquoThe Danger of Incendive Sparksrdquo stated that after APIrsquos conclusion on ldquonon-sparkingrdquo tools Institute ofPetroleum sought the advice of the Fire Research Board Committee on Industrial Fires and Explosion This committeecame to certain conclusions one of which was ldquoUntilhellipevidence is obtained to show that the impact of steel hand toolson steel is safe it is advisable to use non-sparking tools in situations where flammable atmospheres are unavoidablerdquo The NFPA Fire Protection Handbook 20th edition published in January 2008 does not support the conclusion that

API 2214 represents In fact many NFPA codes the use of ldquonon-sparkingrdquo tools in flammable atmospheresAccording to NFPA Fire Protection Handbook ldquoWhen flammable and combustible liquids are stored or handled theliquid is usually exposed to the air at some stage in the operation except where the storage is confined to sealedcontainers that are not filled or opened on the premises or where handling is in closed systems and vapor losses arerecovered Even when the storage or handling is in a closed system there is always the possibility of breaks or leakswhich permit the liquid to escape It is a to eliminate sources of ignition in places where low flashpointflammable liquids are stored handled or used even though no vapor may ordinarily be presentrdquo NFPA 921 Guide for Fire and Explosion Investigations 2008 Edition Chapter 5 Basic Fire Science Table 5711

Reported Burning and Sparking Temperature of Selected Ignition Sources under Mechanical Sparks lists a Steel tooltemperature at 2550degF When working with flammable gases liquids or vapors a potential hazard arises because of thepossibility that sparks produced by steel or iron tools can become an ignition source OSHA Flammable and Combustible Liquids regulation 29 CFR Parts 1910106(b) on tank storage paragraph

1910106(b)(6) states that precaution shall be taken to eliminate or control sources of ignitions including frictional heatand mechanical sparks to prevent the ignition of flammable vapors In OSHA regulation 29 CFR 1910146 Permit-Required Confined Spaces Appendix D Confined Space Pre-Entry

Check List non-sparking tool is listed as one type of entry equipment OSHA 29 CFR 1910146 StandardInterpretations Interpretative guidance and equipment approved for hazardous locations relative to the Permit-RequiredConfined Spaces states that ldquohellipthe standard does not prohibit entry into a permit space where a hazardous flammableatmosphere is at or above the 10 LFL For concentrations at or above 10 LFL paragraph (d) would theemployer to incorporate safe work procedures to address the flammableexplosive hazard (such as equipment approvedfor hazardous locations) in the entry plan for those spaces Electrical equipment as well as other sources of ignition(non-sparking hand tools) be considered and addressed for the hazardous atmosphererdquo OSHA regulation 29 CFR Parts 1910120 Hazardous waste operations and emergency response paragraph

1910120(j)(2)(v) requires that ldquoWhen there is a reasonable possibility of flammable atmospheres being present

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Report on Comments ndash June 2011 NFPA 30Amaterial handling equipment and hand tools shall be of the type to prevent sources of ignition EPA has identifiedsolvents such as xylene acetone ethyl acetate ethyl benzene and ethyl ether commonly used in all industries (theF-list) and discarded commercial chemical products such as acetone benzene ethyl ether and xylene (the P-list andU-list) as ignitable hazardous wastes API members such as ExxonMobil and Chevron as well as others in the petroleum industry such as Valero CITGO

Petroleum Corporation Chem-Supply Pty Ltd Irving Oil Ltd Petrol Star Inc Nova Chemicals and El Paso Corporationregularly the use of ldquonon-sparkingrdquo tools under Accidental Release Measures and Handling and Storage sectionsin the MSDSrsquos for their petroleum products These companies clearly recognize the need for ldquonon-sparkingrdquo tools inworking with and around flammable materials API 2214 Section 12 Background ldquohellipthese engineers pointed out that although numerous opportunities existed for

the production of sparks from violent contact of steel objects with other steel objects there was a negligible record offires resulting from such a causerdquo On the contrary there are a number of documented incidents involving flammablevapors ignited by steel sparks from tools A few examples are as follows

OSHA inspection 300965795 an employee in the process of cleaning loose material from drill piping with ametal hammer While striking the pipe with a hammer an explosion occurred Employee was killed in the explosion onsite

OSHA inspection 2272953 two employees were assigned the job of tending a 100 gallon (water jacket) reactorkettle of methyl methacrylate in the mixing room Employee 1 used a metal wrench (visegrips) to pry open the cover ofa kettle The wrench handle struck the angle iron support for the agitator motor producing a spark Employee 2noticed the spark which was immediately followed by a massive ldquofire ballrdquo Both employees were engulfed in thefireball Employee 3 came to the area to assist the other employees The investigation states that non-sparking toolswere not provided for the employees All three employees received first and second degree burns on their face armsand abdomen Employee 2 also received some third degree burns All three employees were hospitalized

OSHA inspection 124728437 Employee 1 and a coworker both maintenance mechanics were working in a 30inch by 36 inch manhole at a gas station Employee 1 was trying to change a fuel pump while the coworker watchedfrom outside the manhole Employee 1 was using an Allen wrench to loosen the bolts on the fuel pump lead when hecreated a spark that ignited the gas fumes in the manhole causing an explosion Employee 1 suffered burns to hisface hands arms and legs in the explosion and was hospitalized

OSHA inspection 111109237 Employee 1 or 3 attempted to cut a metal pipe with a metal saw whileEmployee 2 was standing on top of one of two 5000 gallon gas tanks trying to remove a tank fitting Sparks from thesaw the pipe wrench or another unknown source ignited the gas vapors which exploded Employees 1 and 3 werekilled of burns at the scene Employee 2 died at the burn center as a result of burns sustained in the explosion

OSHA inspection 102826625 Employee 1 worked for a company that cleans paints and replaces valves in LPand MAPP gas cylinders Before removing an old valve Employee 1 would open the valve to let the residual gas leakout on the loading dock Where there was a large quantity of cylinders Employee 1 would invert the cylinder so theresidual gas could vent faster Employee 1 had an accumulation of a gas and air mixture around his work area Thevapors were ignited either by a spark from the metal screwdriver he was using to open a damaged valve or by an openflame burner approximately 40 feet away There was a fire and explosion The employee sustained 2nd and 3rd degreeburns on the lower half of his body and was hospitalized

OSHA inspection 607366 an employee was sawing an airplane wing into sections with a portable powered handsaw the saw created a spark that caused an explosion of gasoline vapors in the wing fuel tank Employee 1 killed andEmployee 2 injured in explosion and was hospitalized

OSHA inspection 309178523 employer was cited for violating Section 5(a)(1) of the Occupational Safety andHealth Act of 1970 often referred to as the General Duty Clause which requires employers to furnish to each of hisemployees employment and a place of employment which are free from recognized hazards that are causing or arelikely to cause death or serious physical harm to his employees for exposing employee to an explosion hazard byopening the hydrogen tube trailer main valve without using non-sparking tools

OSHA inspection 304994304 employer was cited for violating Section 5(a)(1) of the Occupational Safety andHealth Act of 1970 violation for exposing employee to a fireexplosion hazard while performing maintenance operationson LP gas tanks with ferrous tools One feasible and acceptable abatement method to correct this hazard is toimplement the use of non- sparking toolsThe Report of the BP US Refineries independent Safety Review Panel also known as the Baker Panel Report states

that ldquoPreventing process accidents requires vigilance The passing of time without a process accident is not necessarilyan indicator that all is well and may contribute to a dangerous and growing sense of complacencyrdquo This sample ofOSHA documented events illustrates accidents do happen when proper safety measures are not taken againstmechanical sparks from steel tools as a possible ignition sourceHaving said that we appreciate the Committeersquos time and agree with the Committee that procedures for cleanup of

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Report on Comments ndash June 2011 NFPA 30Aspills is not within the scope of NFPA 30A

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Report on Comments ndash June 2011 NFPA 30A_______________________________________________________________________________________________30A- Log 7

_______________________________________________________________________________________________Robert Bourke Northeastern Regional Fire Code Development Committee

30A-19Add a new section to read 11721 Where approved by the Authority Having Jurisdiction piers

that extend more than 152 m (500 ft) in travel distance from shore shall be permitted to provide a Class I standpipe thatis installed in accordance with NFPA 14 Standard for the Installation of Standpipe and Hose Systems

The TC missed the point in the substantiation of the proposalIt was not the intent of the proposal to obtain additional flexibility of FD use over that which is provided by a Class III

standpipe system The intent of the proposal was to provide relief from the requirement where the local AHJ feels thatthe effectiveness and likelihood of occupant use of fire hoses does not justify the added risk to the occupant or theinstallation and maintenance costs associated with the requisite hose for a Class III system A Class I system would stillprovide FD fire fighting capabilities in jurisdictions where the AHJ prefers occupants to evacuate and not attempt to fightfires beyond portable fire extinguisher capability

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From Benedetti BobTo bcotnerswriorgCc Harrington Greg Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiBcc May PaulSubject Inquiry NFPA 30 amp NFPA 30ADate Thursday July 08 2010 121900 PM

Good Morning Mr Cotner Greg Harrington asked that I respond to your question about the proper use ofintermediate bulk containers Actually an intermediate bulk container is a shipping vessel that must meetrequirements and specifications of the U S Department of Transportation for shippingmaterials from Point A to Point B It is not intended to be a storage vessel althoughthe liquid contained is obviously dispensed from the vessel for use Dispensing of motor fuels is covered by NFPA 30A Code for Motor Fuel DispensingFacilities and Repair Garages NFPA 30A states in Subsection 421 421 Liquids shall be stored in the following(1) Approved closed containers that do not exceed 227 L (60 gal) capacity and arelocated outside buildings(2) Tanks or approved closed containers located inside motor fuel dispensingfacilities or repair garages(3) Aboveground tanks underground tanks and containers in accordance with therequirements of Section 43(4) Tanks supplying marine service stations in accordance with Section 112 Section 43 states the following 432 Aboveground Storage Tanks Except as modified by the provisions of thissubsection aboveground storage tanks shall meet all applicable requirements ofChapters 21 through 23 and 27 of NFPA 30 Flammable and Combustible Liquids Code So in accordance with NFPA 30A Subsection 421(3) indicates that abovegroundstorage of motor fuel must be in a tank that meets the provisions of Section 43 Thelatter in turn references the Chapters in NFPA 30 that deal with fixed storage tanks Nowhere in these chapters is there any reference to an intermediate bulk container Chapter 9 of NFPA 30 does recognize an intermediate bulk container for warehouse-type storage of Class I flammable liquids but does not anticipate continual dispensingand use One could evaluate an intermediate bulk container as a means of long-term storageand dispensing of liquids under the Equivalency clause My opinion is that an intermediate bulk container is not considered a substitute for anaboveground storage tank but this is not specifically stated in the relevant codes This issue will be added to the agendas for the Technical Committees involved Please understand that this response is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 ofNFPArsquos Regulations Governing Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon todefinitively determine compliance with any laws ordinances rules or regulations Todetermine legal compliance you should refer to the appropriate authority havingjurisdiction or seek legal advice It is not intended nor should it be relied upon toprovide professional consultation or services To determine the adequacy or safety ofany device or installation you should consult with an appropriate professional

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I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write Iwill be happy to assist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant toNFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does notnecessarily represent the official position of the NFPA or its Technical Committees Inaddition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it be relied upon to provideprofessional consultation or services cc 30IFI 30AIFI AUVNM FLCSWCNM FLCTANNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

If you have a reported fire in your home the risk of dyingdecreases by about 80 percent when sprinklers are present

wwwfiresprinklerinitiativeorgNotice The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intendedfor the exclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential andor privileged information If you arenot the intended recipient please notify Robert Benedetti immediately by replying to the message or by calling(617) 984-7433 Please delete this message and any attachments from your system Thank you

From Harrington Greg Sent Wednesday July 07 2010 350 PMTo Benedetti BobSubject FW Intermediate Bulk Containers Hi Bob Can you answer the question below Hersquos a friend of mine former inspector with San Antonio FD when Iworked down there now a safety guy at SWRI Thanks a lot --Greg

From Bill Cotner [mailtobcotnerswriorg] Sent Wednesday July 07 2010 332 PMTo Harrington GregSubject Intermediate Bulk Containers Hey Greg howrsquos the heat in Boston here it is a balmy 93 enjoying it I have a question probably out ofyour area but Irsquom sure you know who to route it to We have a group here that wants to dispense fuelfrom a stainless steel IBC into test engines I donrsquot think that is the intended use or what it has beenlisted for Can I get some guidance on this issue I appreciate anything you can do for me Bill Bill CotnerSenior Fire SpecialistEnvironmental Safety and Quality SystemsSouthwest Research InstitutePhone (210) 522-5101Fax (210) 522-5093Mobile (210) 669-7005Email bcotner swriorg

From Benedetti BobTo Ebanks DesmondCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiBcc May PaulSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Monday June 14 2010 35400 PM

Good afternoon Mr Ebanks The intent of Subsection 422 of NFPA 30A Code for Motor Fuel Dispensing Facilities and RepairGarages is that there be no direct piped connection between the aboveground storage tank inthe bulk plant and the fuel dispensing device in the motor fuel dispensing facility In my opinionthis includes any intervening underground storage tank The hazard being addressed is the potential to overfill the underground storage tank due to thestatic head of the liquid in the aboveground storage tank Please understand that this response is a personal opinion and does not constitute a FormalInterpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 of NFPArsquos RegulationsGoverning Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitively determine compliancewith any laws ordinances rules or regulations To determine legal compliance you shouldrefer to the appropriate authority having jurisdiction or seek legal advice It is not intended norshould it be relied upon to provide professional consultation or services To determine theadequacy or safety of any device or installation you should consult with an appropriateprofessional I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will behappy to assist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPARegulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarilyrepresent the official position of the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition thiscorrespondence is neither intended nor should it be relied upon to provide professional consultation orservices cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg Attend the premier event for fire life safety and electrical professionals

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From Ebanks Desmond [mailtoDesmondEbanksgovky] Sent Monday May 24 2010 940 AMTo Benedetti BobSubject bulk storage supply to motor fuel facilities Hi Bob NFPA 30A (2003) 422 gives to positions in relation to motor fuel dispensing facilities (mfdf) that I would like to havefurther clarified for Code intent please The first is that dispensing devices at the mfdf shall not be supplied by ASTs located in the bulk plant Does this implythat supply from a UST (underground storage tank) in the bulk storage facility would be acceptable or to the other extentthat even if the bulk AST supplied a loading rack which in turn supplied a UST both in the bulk facility that supplyfrom the bulk AST is still not permitted The second statement refers to any storage tank at the mfdf saying they shall not be connected by piping to bulkfacility ASTs Similarly does this imply that a UST (underground storage tank) in the bulk storage facility would beacceptable or that if the bulk tank was connected to a loading rack and the loading rack connected by non-permanentmeans to an mfdf tank that this would be permissible RegardsDes EbanksAssistant Petroleum InspectorThe Petroleum InspectorateCayman Islands GovernmentAnderson Square 4th floorPO Box 31213Grand CaymanKY1-1205Cayman IslandsOffice 345 244 3458Mobile 345 925 3317Fax 345 949 0920Email desmondebanksgovky

From Benedetti BobTo Shriniwas BodhankarCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiBcc May PaulSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Monday June 14 2010 50100 PM

Good day Sir There has been no discussion by the Technical Committee on Automotive and Marine ServiceStations to alter the separation distances in Table 4324 of NFPA 30A Code for Motor FuelDispensing Facilities and Repair Garages as they pertain to liquid fuels including high flashpoint diesel fuels Also there have been no proposals to make such a change to NFPA 30A I trust this answers your question R P Benedetti cc -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

Attend the premier event for fire life safety and electrical professionals

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Notice The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for theexclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential andor privileged information If you are not the intendedrecipient please notify Robert Benedetti immediately by replying to the message or by calling (617) 984-7433 Please deletethis message and any attachments from your system Thank you

From Shriniwas Bodhankar [mailtobodhankarenoccom] Sent Tuesday June 01 2010 536 AMTo Maynard Mary Benedetti BobSubject NFPA 30 A Dear sir Reference is made to table no 4324 of NFPA code 30A specifying the minimum distance between storagetanks and dispensing equipment A dispenser should be placed minimum 50 feet away from a bunded abovegroundsteel tank to meet this requirementIn our opinion this is too stringent and uncalled for in case of high flash diesel ( Flash point above 65 degreecentigrade) A bunded tank where spill can be contained within bund is as safe as a vaulted tankfire resistanttankprotected tank Therefore it is equally safe to install an approved dispensing device immediately outside thebund provided the vent of the tank is 4 meters above the grade level on which the dispensing device is installedVarious international oil companies like SHELL amp BP carry similar installations for their fleet customers of dieselMoreover there are standard skids being marketed in EUROPE (even for gasoline) which have storage tanks and

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dispensers on same skid and such an arrangement is accepted by ldquoAuthority Having Jurisdictionrdquo(AHJ)Kindly advise if this standard requirement is being reviewed or otherwise if based on performance based designsuch a requirement may be waived or considered as ldquo highly recommendedrdquo in the leastBased on your feedback we wish to discuss this with AHJ in UAE Regards Regards Shriniwas BodhankarSenior EHS Compliance Officer( Special Projects)Group EHSQ Compliance DepartmentEmirates National Oil Company Limited (ENOC) LLC ENOC House I PO Box 6442Dubai United Arab EmiratesDirect +971 4 313 4437Fax +971 4 313 4482bodhankarenoccom | wwwenoccom

This message together with any attachments contains confidential information and is intended only for the use of theaddressee(s) and may contain information which is covered by legal professional or other privilege If you are not theintended recipient please inform the sender immediately and delete this e-mail You should not copy this e-mail or use itfor any purpose nor disclose its contents to any other person ENOC does not warrant that this transmission is virus freeand will not be liable for any damages resulting from any virus ENOC Dubai UAE

From Benedetti BobTo EActonccfireusCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiBcc May PaulSubject Inquiry NFPA 30A amp NFPA 30Date Monday August 02 2010 44400 PMAttachments DSC06169JPG

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Good day Mr Acton Fire protection provisions for major and minor repair garages and ldquolube-onlyrdquofacilities which is the topic of your concern are provided in NFPA 30A Code for MotorFuel Dispensing Facilities and Repair Garages currently 2008 edition Chapter 5 ofNFPA 30A covers piping systems but its specific provisions focus on piping systemsbetween fuel storage tanks and fuel dispensers Chapter 5 also directly referencesChapter 27 of the 2008 edition of NFPA 30 Flammable and Combustible Liquids Code(successor to Chapter 5 of the 2003 edition) Subsection 527 of NFPA 30A allows piping made from low-melting point materials tobe installed in exposed areas but only in specific locations These are limited tocontainment sumps under dispensers containment sumps for underground fuelstorage tanks and sumps for below-grade piping connections Chapter 5 of NFPA 30Ais silent on piping inside buildings Therefore the user is left with the provisions ofChapter 27 of NFPA 30 NFPA 30 in turn does allow piping fabricated of low melting point materials to beused exposed outdoors or inside buildings with the following provisions ldquo27441 Such materials shall be permitted to be used outdoors above ground orinside buildings provided they meet one of the following conditions (1) They are resistant to damage by fire(2) They are located so that any leakage resulting from failure will not exposepersons important buildings or structures(3) They are located where leakage can be controlled by operation of one or moreaccessible remotely located valvesrdquo Regardless of the material of construction of the piping and components the followinggeneral requirement from Chapter 27 of NFPA 30 always applies ldquo273 General Requirements2731 Performance Standards The design fabrication assembly test and inspectionof piping systems shall be suitable for the working pressures and structural stresses tobe encountered by the piping system Compliance with applicable sections of ASMEB31 Code for Pressure Piping and the provisions of this chapter shall be consideredprima facie evidence of compliance with the foregoing provisions2732 Tightness of Piping Piping systems shall be maintained liquidtight A pipingsystem that has leaks that constitute a hazard shall be emptied of liquid or repaired ina manner acceptable to the authority having jurisdictionrdquo Your interpretation of Subsection 511 of the 2003 edition of NFPA 30 (2711 in the2008 edition) is correct the chapter applies to any piping system that handles aflammable or combustible liquid regardless of pressure Likewise you are correct thatthe piping system must meet the provisions of ASME B31 for the material chosen andthe anticipated operating pressures and temperatures (531 in the 2003 edition 2741 in the 2008 edition) However low melting point materials (aluminum copperbrass and polymeric materials) are allowed under the provisions of Subsection 534(2003 edition) and 2744 (2008 edition) What must be determined is does thepiping system comply with one of the conditions stated in 27441 as stated above

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Please understand that this response is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 ofNFPArsquos Regulations Governing Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon todefinitively determine compliance with any laws ordinances rules or regulations Todetermine legal compliance you should refer to the appropriate authority havingjurisdiction or seek legal advice It is not intended nor should it be relied upon toprovide professional consultation or services To determine the adequacy or safety ofany device or installation you should consult with an appropriate professional I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write Iwill be happy to assist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant toNFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does notnecessarily represent the official position of the NFPA or its Technical Committees Inaddition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it be relied upon to provideprofessional consultation or services cc 30IFI 30AIFI AUVNM FLCTANNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

If you have a reported fire in your home the risk of dyingdecreases by about 80 percent when sprinklers are present

wwwfiresprinklerinitiativeorgNotice The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intendedfor the exclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential andor privileged information If you arenot the intended recipient please notify Robert Benedetti immediately by replying to the message or by calling(617) 984-7433 Please delete this message and any attachments from your system Thank you

From Eric Acton [mailtoEActonccfireus] Sent Monday July 19 2010 636 PMTo Benedetti BobSubject InterpretationOpinion request

Good day My name is Eric Acton I am the Fire Marshal for Campbell CountyWyoming and Irsquom employed by Campbell County Fire Department My NFPA

membership number is 2755369 My mailing and email addresses are listed below I am in need of a technical opinion regarding 2003 NFPA 30 Chapter 5 or morecurrently 2008 NFPA 30A Chapter 5 Some brief project backgroundAn owner within my jurisdiction has built a commercial lube-oil center to servicecustomersrsquo vehicles A ldquopitrdquo exists below the service bay to allow workers to drainthe oil from the vehicle then workers on the main floor refill the oil by use ofpressurized nozzles Several motor oil storage tanks are located in the pitaccounting for several brands and viscosities of oil The tanks are designed to befilled by use of a piping system which extends from an exterior connection vault toeach of the storage tanks using gravity to move the product in the fill-pipingsystem The material the owner chose to construct the fill-piping system wasldquostandardrdquo 1-12rdquo Schedule 40 PVC and Parker Series 7094 Electrically Non-Conductive rubber hose The piping system is exposed it is not underground nor isit protected from flame by means of a fire-rated chase Having identified the use of combustible liquids in this occupancy I utilized 2006International Fire Code (as adopted by my jurisdiction) Chapter 34 Flammable andCombustible Liquids to review and inspect the project IFC Section 340362referred me to NFPA 30 Chapter 5 for the construction materials to use where Iinterpreted (2003 version) 30511 to mean that the piping system components (pipetubing flanges bolting gaskets valves fittingshellip) must meet the requirementsregardless of pressure And that the following components specified in theparagraph must meet the requirements ONLY if they contained pressure ndashhelliprdquoexpansion joints and strainers and devices such thathelliprdquo I further interpreted(2003 version) 30531 Material Specifications similarly in that the ldquoPipe valvesfaucets couplingshelliprdquo must meet the requirements regardless of pressure while ldquohellipother pressure-containing partshelliprdquo meant ONLY the other parts that containedpressure Verbatim to 30511 is encountered in 2008 NFPA 30A Chapter 5paragraph 51 Scope The owner states his piping complies with the standard cited because it is gravity-fed hence no ldquopressurerdquo is seen by the piping components I maintain that thepiping system shall consist of metal pipe (or another material meeting therequirements of ASME B31 as allowed by 2003 NFPA 30531) to comply with NFPA30 and IFC Some assistance to resolve this problem is greatly appreciated I have attachedsome photographs for clarification Thanks for your attentionEric

Eric ActonFire MarshalCampbell County Fire Department 106 Rohan Avenue Gillette WY 82716 (307) 682-5319 ext 8912(307) 686-2222 Fax(307) 680-9612 Cell

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From Benedetti BobTo Howard Jim (Woodbridge)Cc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiBcc May PaulSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Monday June 28 2010 115100 AM

Good morning Mr Howard First I appreciate your patience with me while I reviewed the information sent to meby yourself and Mr Luby of Veeder-Root I wanted to ensure that I thoroughlyunderstood how the system functions in its line leak detection mode My understanding of the arrangement of the piping system from the pair ofunderground storage tanks is that the electronic line leak detector the PLLD tests thesupply piping from the two submersible pumps to the dispensers as a single system This includes the direct piping run from the master pump to the dispensers AND thepiping that connects the slave pump to the direct piping run The intent of Subsection 642 of the 2008 edition of NFPA 30A Code for Motor FuelDispensing Facilities and Repair Garages is to ensure that some type of leak detectiondevice monitors the piping from the submersible pump to the dispensers in such amanner that a leak in the piping leading to the dispensers or in the dispensersthemselves is detected and notification of a leak given Since the two pumps act intandem and since the entire piping system from the pumps to the dispensers ismonitored my personal opinion is that the intent of Subsection 642 is met andevaluation of the system described as being equivalent to what is required bySubsection 642 is reasonable Whether the system described meets the criteria of Section 15 Equivalency of NFPA30A must be determined by the authority having jurisdiction As NFPA Staff Liaison forNFPA 30A I cannot make such a determination under NFPArsquos Regulations GoverningCommittee Projects Please understand that this response is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 ofNFPArsquos Regulations Governing Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon todefinitively determine compliance with any laws ordinances rules or regulations Todetermine legal compliance you should refer to the appropriate authority havingjurisdiction or seek legal advice It is not intended nor should it be relied upon toprovide professional consultation or services To determine the adequacy or safety ofany device or installation you should consult with an appropriate professional I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write Iwill be happy to assist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant toNFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does notnecessarily represent the official position of the NFPA or its Technical Committees Inaddition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it be relied upon to provideprofessional consultation or services cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids Engineer

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National Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

If you have a reported fire in your home the risk of dyingdecreases by about 80 percent when sprinklers are present

wwwfiresprinklerinitiativeorgNotice The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intendedfor the exclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential andor privileged information If you arenot the intended recipient please notify Robert Benedetti immediately by replying to the message or by calling(617) 984-7433 Please delete this message and any attachments from your system Thank you

From Howard Jim (Woodbridge) [mailtoJHowardhesscom] Sent Monday June 14 2010 1144 AMTo Benedetti BobCc Howard Jim (Woodbridge) Bob Luby Subject Importance High Bob It was a pleasure talking to you this morning regarding the Line Leak Detection applicationin place at Hess Station 08501 - Milltown DE (drawing attached) as well as several thousandlocations worldwide Here is some background information on this installation

Site had 3 - 10000 gallon gasoline tanks 1 - 10000 Regular (87) 1 - 10000 Plus (89) 1 - 10000 Premium (93) prior to our Dispenser Replacement Project Because of theoverwhelming demand for Regular gasoline (887 in 2009) we converted the existingPlus tank to additional Regular storageDispensers were replaced with new Blend Dispensers Tanks were not manifoldedRegular and former-Plus product lines were manifolded at each dispenserWe installed Veeder-Root PLLDs (Electronic Line Leak Detectors) on the Regular 1and Premium STPs We installed a non-vented Swift Check on Regular 2 (formerPlus) STP Because the PLLD is vented we MUST install a non-vented swift check onRegular STP 2 in order to test the system as a wholeWe have demonstrated via post-construction testing that the system will pick up a 3gph leak

The State of DE has questioned our compliance with NFPA 30A 642 Each pump shallhave installed on the discharge side a listed leak detection device that will provide an audibleor visible indication if the piping or a dispenser is leaking Each leak-detecting device shallbe checked and tested at least annually according to the manufacturers specifications toensure proper installation and operation

Can you comment on whether the system shown on the attached and described above and onour call meets the NFPA requirement or if it meets the definition of Equivalency as definedin Chapter 15 - Equivalency Thank you in advance for your consideration in this matter Please do not hesitate to contactme if there are any questions or concerns on this application ThanksJim Howard RFMPManager Maintenance amp UST ComplianceHess Corporation732-750-6220 (office)800-903-4801 (Emergency Hotline)E-mail UST Inspections to USTCompliancehesscomFax UST Inspections to 866-435-6744

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From Benedetti BobTo Gary KostalCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiBcc May PaulSubject Inquiry NFPA 30 NFPA 30ADate Tuesday August 10 2010 43200 PM

Good afternoon Mr Kostal There are no provisions in NFPA 30 Flammable and Combustible Liquids Code togovern dispensing of motor fuels into motorized equipment and the devices youdescribe are not mentioned at all in NFPA 30 or in the only other related NFPAdocument that might apply NFPA 30A Code for Motor Fuel Dispensing Facilities andRepair Garages I cannot say that these units are either allowed or disallowed because neither NFPA30 nor NFPA 30A speaks about them The only provisions that might apply are the quantity limitations established in thesetwo codes depending on which code applies If the maintenance building is considered an industrial occupancy then Chapter 9 ofNFPA 30 establishes a maximum allowable quantity for of 120 gallons for Class Iliquids (The maximum allowable quantity is actually a threshold value Up to theMAQ compliance with NFPA 30 is not required above it NFPA 30 applies) If the maintenance building is considered a repair garage then NFPA 30A takesprecedence It also sets a 120 gallon limit on the maximum quantity of Class I liquid In both cases the quantity of fuel involved is 50 percent of the maximum allowed Myopinion is that there is no violation of either NFPA 30 or NFPA 30A Please understand that this response is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 ofNFPArsquos Regulations Governing Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon todefinitively determine compliance with any laws ordinances rules or regulations Todetermine legal compliance you should refer to the appropriate authority havingjurisdiction or seek legal advice It is not intended nor should it be relied upon toprovide professional consultation or services To determine the adequacy or safety ofany device or installation you should consult with an appropriate professional I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write Iwill be happy to assist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant toNFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does notnecessarily represent the official position of the NFPA or its Technical Committees Inaddition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it be relied upon to provideprofessional consultation or services cc 30IFI 30AIFI-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch Park

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Quincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg Important Notice This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPA RegulationsAny opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarily represent the officialposition of the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition this correspondence is neither intended norshould it be relied upon to provide professional consultation or services

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From Gary Kostal [mailtogarykbloomingdalefirecom] Sent Monday August 09 2010 328 PMTo Benedetti BobSubject Looking for assistance - portable gas caddies Membership 2329840 Gary KostalFire Prevention DirectorBloomingdale Fire District Question (Non-formal opinion) I have a country club where they service a very large number of lawn maintenance equipment on a dailybasis They are utilizing a portable gas container (gas caddy) that holds approximately 30 gallons ofgasoline The unit is equipped with a hand style pump which is located on the top of the tank Fuel isdispensed from this tank as you crank the pump There are no nozzles located on the hose These gascaddies are being used inside their maintenance building which is fully fire sprinkled They are presentlyusing two of these devices inside the same building which is basically one days use

My question is are these devices allowed for this type of dispensing Are they required to be equippedwith a self closing nozzle What NFPA sections would apply to this particular type of device Thank you for your assistance in this matter

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From Benedetti BobTo SheldonSchallWisconsingovCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Wednesday September 30 2009 45929 PM

Good afternoon Sheldon I will here provide more detailed answers to your questions as posed in the email you sent to me today Section 30A-4323 limits tank storage capacity for Class I and II No limit for Class IIIA or IIIB

You are correct The intent of 4323 is to limit the capacities only of those tanks that storeClass I and II liquids Recall that when NFPA 30A initially allowed aboveground storage tanks atvehicle fueling sites biofuels were not in the picture just gasoline (Class I) and diesel fuel (ClassII) The Technical Committee at the time did not conceive that there would be the need to storeClass III fuels because there werenrsquot any The bottom line NFPA 30A does not limit the capacityof an aboveground storage tank that holds a motor fuel that is a Class III liquid

Section 30A-4324 refers to setbacks in Table 4324 No indication that these setbacks are specific toor exclude any class of flammable or combustible so it appears that the setbacks apply to Class I -Class IIIB liquids This table appears to conflict with the previous section for Class IIIA amp IIIB liquids

This is again correct that the separation distances in Table 4324 are not specific to anyparticular Class of liquid There is no conflict however 4323 deals with tank capacities 4324 deals with separation distances for the tanks Since 4324 does not specify anyparticular liquid class(es) it applies to ALL liquid classes

Section 30A-4325 allows an increased capacity for Class II and III liquids at fleet facilities Thisappears to conflict with section 4323 for Class III liquids which didnt have a capacity limit to startwith

Here there is a conflict or at least a serious inconsistency This provision was added one or twoeditions after 4323 and it appears that biofuels are beginning to be recognized It also appearsthat the intent here was to allow a relaxation of one limit in favor of a more liberal one Theproblem is the original limit doesnrsquot exist making it arguable that the application of 4325 toClass III liquids is meaningless Given the obvious intent here for some limit on Class III liquidfuels 4323 should be amended to include Class IIIs

Section 30A-4327 addresses dispensing from an aboveground tank for Class I and II liquids based uponspecific conditions

Paragraph 4322 is a hold-over dating back to when service stations were covered in Chapter 7of the old versions of NFPA 30 This set of requirements should also be amended to include ClassIIIs

Section 30A-4328 refers to NFPA 30-2171 for spill and overfill This section only applies to class Iand II liquids

While it is true that Subsection 2171 of NFPA 30 only applies to Classes I and II I do not believeit is a conflict for NFPA 30A to also apply it to Class III as well if the Technical Committee it isappropriate to do so However the language needs to be improved or an Annex item should beadded to explain the extrapolation and the reason for it

I will add this to the next meetingrsquos agenda for the Technical Committee on Automotive and MarineService Stations As usual the following applies Please understand that this response to your inquiry is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 of NFPArsquos RegulationsGoverning Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitively determine compliance with anylaws ordinances rules or regulations To determine the adequacy or safety of any device or installationyou should consult with an appropriate professional To determine legal compliance you should refer tothe appropriate authority having jurisdiction or seek legal advice

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I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will be happy toassist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarily represent the official positionof the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it berelied upon to provide professional consultation or services cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

Fire Prevention Week is October 4 ndash 10 2009 Visit wwwfirepreventionweekorg or call 800-344-3555 for moreinformation NFPA Seminars - Apply the codes with confidenceRegister at wwwnfpalearnorg NFPA Membership keeps you up-to-dateVisit wwwnfpaorgjoin for more information Or call 800-344-3555Notice The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for theexclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential andor privileged information If you are not the intendedrecipient please notify Robert Benedetti immediately by replying to the message or by calling (617) 984-7433 Please deletethis message and any attachments from your system Thank you Considering the variables in the sections referenced above are the setbacks in Table 4324 intended toapply to Class IIIA andor Class IIIB liquids for public fueling

From Schall Sheldon - COMMERCE [mailtoSheldonSchallWisconsingov] Sent Wednesday September 30 2009 832 AMTo Benedetti BobSubject NFPA 30A-4324 inquiry - URGENT Section 30A-4323 limits tank storage capacity for Class I and II No limit for Class IIIA or IIIB trueSection 30A-4324 refers to setbacks in Table 4324 No indication that these setbacks are specific toor exclude any class of flammable or combustible so it appears that the setbacks apply to Class I -Class IIIB liquids This table appears to conflict with the previous section for Class IIIA amp IIIB liquids Also trueSection 30A-4325 allows an increased capacity for Class II and III liquids at fleet facilities Thisappears to conflict with section 4323 for Class III liquids which didnt have a capacity limit to startwith Either one or the other needs to changeSection 30A-4327 addresses dispensing from an aboveground tank for Class I and II liquids based uponspecific conditions Need to cover IIIBSection 30A-4328 refers to NFPA 30-2171 for spill and overfill This section only applies to class Iand II liquids Class IIIs need to be specifically addressed Considering the variables in the sections referenced above are the setbacks in Table 4324 intended toapply to Class IIIA andor Class IIIB liquids for public fueling

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From Benedetti BobTo Bill HickmanCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Monday December 14 2009 50332 PM

Good afternoon Mr Hickman To answer your question the separation distances in Table 4324 of NFPA 30A Code for MotorFuel Dispensing Facilities and Repair Garages are intended to apply to outside abovegroundstorage tanks for fuel where such is allowed The tanks inside a service station building majorrepair garage or minor repair garage would likely be handling Class IIIB liquids (flash point gt200 degF) only in accordance with Subsection 4392 of NFPA 30A Subsection 4392 does not set any specific requirements for separation between tanks inside abuilding although it does refer back to Chapters 21 through 23 of NFPA 30 Flammable andCombustible Liquids Code Shell-to-shell spacing distances for aboveground tanks areestablished in Table 22421 Table 22421 is intended for much large tanks than one wouldfind in a repair garage or ldquolube-onlyrdquo facility For example the minimum separation for tanksstoring Class IIIB liquids is 3 feet as set forth in 224212 But again the separationdistances in Chapter 22 of NFPA 30 are intended for tank farm application not for the muchsmaller tanks found in the type of occupancy governed by NFPA 30A Also any facility meeting the requirements of NFPA 30A is considered to be in compliance withNFPA 30 Please understand that this response to your inquiry is a personal opinion and does notconstitute a Formal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 ofNFPArsquos Regulations Governing Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitivelydetermine compliance with any laws ordinances rules or regulations To determine theadequacy or safety of any device or installation you should consult with an appropriateprofessional To determine legal compliance you should refer to the appropriate authorityhaving jurisdiction or seek legal advice I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will behappy to assist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPARegulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarilyrepresent the official position of the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition thiscorrespondence is neither intended nor should it be relied upon to provide professional consultation orservices cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg If you have a reported fire in your home the risk of dyingdecreases by about 80 percent when sprinklers are present

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From Bill Hickman [mailtoBillHickmanstatecous] Sent Tuesday December 01 2009 939 AMTo Benedetti BobSubject Inquiry NFPA 30A - Storage of Liquids Inside Buildings Mr Benedetti Id appreciate your interpretation on an item regarding aboveground tanks storing lubricants (newused oil) inside abuilding at a repair garage NFPA 30A 439 does not include specific spacing requirements for tanks inside buildings Where there are multiple tanks being stored inside the building is there no minimum separation distance requirementthat must be met or do the requirements of Table 4324 apply Thank you in advance for your assistance __________________________________ Bill HickmanInspectorTechnical SpecialistCO Division of Oil amp Public Safety303-378-5090

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From Benedetti BobTo Peznowski EdwardCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Thursday September 03 2009 30455 PM

Hi Ed The 1996 edition of the Flammable and Combustible Liquids Code Handbook was the last one prior to thecurrent 2008 edition The commentary hasnrsquot changed My recollection of the development of this text is that the intent of NFPA 30A Code for Motor FuelDispensing Facilities and Repair Garages is to isolate the motor fuel dispensing area and its attendanthazard completely from the rest of the structure regardless of what else might be in the structure Subsection 524 assumes that the installation involves a motor fuel dispensing operation inside abuilding where you would not expect to have same such as an office building A bus repair facility wouldbe probably classed as a major repair garage and would be expected to have fueling operations Thehazard of this is in my opinion no greater than the repair operations It could be that the language in Subsection 524 needs to be clarified so that it applies only to situationssuch as I first described Please understand that this response to your inquiry is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 of NFPArsquos RegulationsGoverning Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitively determine compliance with anylaws ordinances rules or regulations To determine the adequacy or safety of any device or installationyou should consult with an appropriate professional To determine legal compliance you should refer tothe appropriate authority having jurisdiction or seek legal advice I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will be happy toassist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarily represent the official positionof the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it berelied upon to provide professional consultation or services cc 30AIFI 30AFAQ AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

Fire Prevention Week is October 4 ndash 10 2009 Visit wwwfirepreventionweekorg or call 800-344-3555 for moreinformation NFPA Seminars - Apply the codes with confidenceRegister at wwwnfpalearnorg NFPA Membership keeps you up-to-dateVisit wwwnfpaorgjoin for more information Or call 800-344-3555Notice The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for the

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exclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential andor privileged information If you are not the intendedrecipient please notify Robert Benedetti immediately by replying to the message or by calling (617) 984-7433 Please deletethis message and any attachments from your system Thank you

From Peznowski Edward [mailtoEdwardPeznowskipostatectus] Sent Monday August 31 2009 127 PMTo Benedetti BobSubject NFPA 30A Hi Bob Sorry to bother you but I need your help and interpretation of the following section of NFPA 30A 2000edition 524 - All piping inside buildings but outside the motor fuel dispensing area shall be enclosed within ahorizontal chase or a vertical shaft used only for this piping Vertical shafts and horizontal chases shall beconstructed of materials having a fire resistance rating of not less than 2 hours Bob I have a bus repair facility being built and we have fuel dispensing area within the building enclosedwith a 2hr fire resistive separation My question is I have diesel fuel piping coming from two tanks locatedoutside of the building the piping runs outside of the dispensing area does this piping need to be enclosed Ihave the proper UL listed system for through wall penetrations My problem lies here I have natural gas heating fuel oil lines for boilers and diesel fuel line for thegenerator all running through the area outside the 2 hour rated dispensing area which are not required to beenclosed My thought is within the 2 hour fire resistive construction I have storage rooms for grease and oil a office forfuel dispensing Any fuel piping running through these areas would be enclosed but once I go outside my 2hrrated enclosure the piping would not have to be enclosed NFPA 30A (1996edition)6-42 - All fuel and flammable vapor piping inside buildings but outside the service station area shall beenclosed within a horizontal chase or a vertical shaft used only for this piping Vertical shafts and horizontalchases shall be constructed of materials having a fire resistance rating of not less than 2 hoursCOMMENTARY 6-42 The intent of this requirement is to preserve the isolation of the service stationoperation from the rest of the building I donrsquot have the 2000 handbook for commentary Thanks Bob Edward J PeznowskiFire amp Life Safety SpecialistBureau of EngineeringOffice State Fire Marshal860-685-8350

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From Benedetti BobTo Hamilton James P (HOY)Cc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiSubject Inquiry NFPA 30A-2008Date Monday September 14 2009 115041 AM

Good morning Mr Hamilton The intent of this particular provision of Subsection 672 of NFPA 30A Code for Motor Fuel DispensingFacilities and Repair Garages is to ensure that the patron has access to a second disconnect if he or shecannot reach the primary disconnect ie the one that is between 20 and 100 feet from the dispenser In my opinion all of the emergency disconnects required by Section 67 must be at least 20 ft but normore than 100 ft from the nearest dispenser Please understand that this response to your inquiry is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 of NFPArsquos RegulationsGoverning Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitively determine compliance with anylaws ordinances rules or regulations To determine the adequacy or safety of any device or installationyou should consult with an appropriate professional To determine legal compliance you should refer tothe appropriate authority having jurisdiction or seek legal advice I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will be happy toassist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarily represent the official positionof the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it berelied upon to provide professional consultation or services cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

Fire Prevention Week is October 4 ndash 10 2009 Visit wwwfirepreventionweekorg or call 800-344-3555 for moreinformation NFPA Seminars - Apply the codes with confidenceRegister at wwwnfpalearnorg NFPA Membership keeps you up-to-dateVisit wwwnfpaorgjoin for more information Or call 800-344-3555Notice The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for theexclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential andor privileged information If you are not the intendedrecipient please notify Robert Benedetti immediately by replying to the message or by calling (617) 984-7433 Please deletethis message and any attachments from your system Thank you

From Hamilton James P (HOY) [mailtoHAMILTONJPbechteljacobsorg] Sent Thursday September 10 2009 1224 PMTo Benedetti BobSubject NFPA 30A 2008 Edition

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Importance High

NFPA 30A 672 states at least one additional device or disconnect shall be readily accessible toeach group of dispensing devices on an individual island Our installation does not have islands Should the second emergency shutoff be installed close to the pumps or between 20 and 100 ofthe pumps

Please respond back via email hamiltonjpbechteljacobsorg

Thanks

NFPA 127130 James P Hamilton CFPSTetraTek Inc - Fire Safety TechnologiesFire Protection LeadK-27 Pre-Demo Project 790 Emory Valley Rd 811 Oak Ridge TN 37830 ETTP Office 865-241-1902

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From Benedetti BobTo Scott DavonskiCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Tuesday August 04 2009 92429 AM

Good morning Mr Davonski My opinion is that the intent of the requirement in Subsection 1141 of NFPA 30A Code for Motor FuelDispensing Facilities and Repair Garages is that any hose longer than 18 feet should not simply bestrung along the dockrsquos surface Using a reel would be one means of securing the hose although Irsquomsure other methods such as hangers would work as well Please understand that this response to your inquiry is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 of NFPArsquos RegulationsGoverning Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitively determine compliance with anylaws ordinances rules or regulations To determine the adequacy or safety of any device or installationyou should consult with an appropriate professional To determine legal compliance you should refer tothe appropriate authority having jurisdiction or seek legal advice I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will be happy toassist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarily represent the official positionof the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it berelied upon to provide professional consultation or services cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

Fire Prevention Week is October 4 ndash 10 2009 Visit wwwfirepreventionweekorg or call 800-344-3555 for moreinformation NFPA Seminars - Apply the codes with confidenceRegister at wwwnfpalearnorg NFPA Membership keeps you up-to-dateVisit wwwnfpaorgjoin for more information Or call 800-344-3555Notice The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for theexclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential andor privileged information If you are not the intendedrecipient please notify Robert Benedetti immediately by replying to the message or by calling (617) 984-7433 Please deletethis message and any attachments from your system Thank you

From Scott Davonski [mailtodavonskiRiverheadlicom] Sent Wednesday July 22 2009 1118 AMTo Benedetti BobSubject 30A clarification

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1141 All hose shall be listed Where hose length exceeds 55 m (18 ft) the hose shall besecured so as to protect it from damage Can you provide clarification as to what is meant by ldquosecured so as to protect it fromdamagerdquo Is the standard looking not to have the hoses on the dock In a reel Any clarificationinformation would be appreciated Scott W DavonskiChief Fire MarshalTown of RiverheadP- 631-727-3200 ext 209F- 631-727-3370

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Page 24: TECHNICAL COMMITTEE ON AUTOMOTIVE and MARINE … · SUBJECT: Agenda for ROC Meeting – October 4, 2010 _____ Ladies and Gentlemen: Attached is the Agenda for the NFPA 30A Report

Report on Comments ndash June 2011 NFPA 30A_______________________________________________________________________________________________30A- Log 5

_______________________________________________________________________________________________Mindy Wang Ampco Safety Tools

30A-39Not proposing new text Please see comment in Substantiation

Although procedures for cleanup of spills is not within the scope of NFPA 30A we feel compelled toaddress API 2214 referenced by the Committee Information presented below shows API 2214 is misleading andundermines safe work practices In fact API 2214 conflicts with OSHA regulations Accredited Standards Developerrsquosstandards and safe work practices FM Approvals LLC formerly Factory Mutual Research Corporation (FM) is an international organization recognized

by the US government as a Nationally Recognized Testing Laboratory (NRTL) for scientific research and productcertification Product approval from a NRTL assures that products meet consensus-based standards of safety to providethe assurance required by OSHA that these products are safe for use in the United States workplace FM ApprovalStandard 7910 Spark Resistant Tools is used as guidance to evaluate tools intended for use in environments wherethere is a risk of ignition of flammable materials dusts or vapors resulting from sparks created by iron and steel handtools These tools prevent the ignition of flammable materials dusts or vapors by mechanical sparks created by the useof iron and steel hand tools slipping or striking a surface American Petroleum Institute (API) Publication 2214contradicts NRTL research and product certification as evidence in FM Approvals granted for spark resistance toolsFM has conducted tests of Ampco Safety Tools as covered in Report Job Identification No IN4A0AF in accordancewith the requirements of Safety Tools Approval Test Procedure Class 7910 and test results show

Sparks created from steel plates ignited carbon disulfide saturated pads eight of eight tests ethyl ether pads fiveof eight tests and naphtha VMampP four of eight tests

No sparks were observed and no ignition of the flammable liquids mentioned above from approved Ampco SafetyTools Other investigations also contradict APIrsquos conclusion on non-sparking tools A paper published in the Fire Protection

Journal ldquoThe Danger of Incendive Sparksrdquo stated that after APIrsquos conclusion on ldquonon-sparkingrdquo tools Institute ofPetroleum sought the advice of the Fire Research Board Committee on Industrial Fires and Explosion This committeecame to certain conclusions one of which was ldquoUntilhellipevidence is obtained to show that the impact of steel hand toolson steel is safe it is advisable to use non-sparking tools in situations where flammable atmospheres are unavoidablerdquo The NFPA Fire Protection Handbook 20th edition published in January 2008 does not support the conclusion that

API 2214 represents In fact many NFPA codes the use of ldquonon-sparkingrdquo tools in flammable atmospheresAccording to NFPA Fire Protection Handbook ldquoWhen flammable and combustible liquids are stored or handled theliquid is usually exposed to the air at some stage in the operation except where the storage is confined to sealedcontainers that are not filled or opened on the premises or where handling is in closed systems and vapor losses arerecovered Even when the storage or handling is in a closed system there is always the possibility of breaks or leakswhich permit the liquid to escape It is a to eliminate sources of ignition in places where low flashpointflammable liquids are stored handled or used even though no vapor may ordinarily be presentrdquo NFPA 921 Guide for Fire and Explosion Investigations 2008 Edition Chapter 5 Basic Fire Science Table 5711

Reported Burning and Sparking Temperature of Selected Ignition Sources under Mechanical Sparks lists a Steel tooltemperature at 2550degF When working with flammable gases liquids or vapors a potential hazard arises because of thepossibility that sparks produced by steel or iron tools can become an ignition source OSHA Flammable and Combustible Liquids regulation 29 CFR Parts 1910106(b) on tank storage paragraph

1910106(b)(6) states that precaution shall be taken to eliminate or control sources of ignitions including frictional heatand mechanical sparks to prevent the ignition of flammable vapors In OSHA regulation 29 CFR 1910146 Permit-Required Confined Spaces Appendix D Confined Space Pre-Entry

Check List non-sparking tool is listed as one type of entry equipment OSHA 29 CFR 1910146 StandardInterpretations Interpretative guidance and equipment approved for hazardous locations relative to the Permit-RequiredConfined Spaces states that ldquohellipthe standard does not prohibit entry into a permit space where a hazardous flammableatmosphere is at or above the 10 LFL For concentrations at or above 10 LFL paragraph (d) would theemployer to incorporate safe work procedures to address the flammableexplosive hazard (such as equipment approvedfor hazardous locations) in the entry plan for those spaces Electrical equipment as well as other sources of ignition(non-sparking hand tools) be considered and addressed for the hazardous atmosphererdquo OSHA regulation 29 CFR Parts 1910120 Hazardous waste operations and emergency response paragraph

1910120(j)(2)(v) requires that ldquoWhen there is a reasonable possibility of flammable atmospheres being present

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Report on Comments ndash June 2011 NFPA 30Amaterial handling equipment and hand tools shall be of the type to prevent sources of ignition EPA has identifiedsolvents such as xylene acetone ethyl acetate ethyl benzene and ethyl ether commonly used in all industries (theF-list) and discarded commercial chemical products such as acetone benzene ethyl ether and xylene (the P-list andU-list) as ignitable hazardous wastes API members such as ExxonMobil and Chevron as well as others in the petroleum industry such as Valero CITGO

Petroleum Corporation Chem-Supply Pty Ltd Irving Oil Ltd Petrol Star Inc Nova Chemicals and El Paso Corporationregularly the use of ldquonon-sparkingrdquo tools under Accidental Release Measures and Handling and Storage sectionsin the MSDSrsquos for their petroleum products These companies clearly recognize the need for ldquonon-sparkingrdquo tools inworking with and around flammable materials API 2214 Section 12 Background ldquohellipthese engineers pointed out that although numerous opportunities existed for

the production of sparks from violent contact of steel objects with other steel objects there was a negligible record offires resulting from such a causerdquo On the contrary there are a number of documented incidents involving flammablevapors ignited by steel sparks from tools A few examples are as follows

OSHA inspection 300965795 an employee in the process of cleaning loose material from drill piping with ametal hammer While striking the pipe with a hammer an explosion occurred Employee was killed in the explosion onsite

OSHA inspection 2272953 two employees were assigned the job of tending a 100 gallon (water jacket) reactorkettle of methyl methacrylate in the mixing room Employee 1 used a metal wrench (visegrips) to pry open the cover ofa kettle The wrench handle struck the angle iron support for the agitator motor producing a spark Employee 2noticed the spark which was immediately followed by a massive ldquofire ballrdquo Both employees were engulfed in thefireball Employee 3 came to the area to assist the other employees The investigation states that non-sparking toolswere not provided for the employees All three employees received first and second degree burns on their face armsand abdomen Employee 2 also received some third degree burns All three employees were hospitalized

OSHA inspection 124728437 Employee 1 and a coworker both maintenance mechanics were working in a 30inch by 36 inch manhole at a gas station Employee 1 was trying to change a fuel pump while the coworker watchedfrom outside the manhole Employee 1 was using an Allen wrench to loosen the bolts on the fuel pump lead when hecreated a spark that ignited the gas fumes in the manhole causing an explosion Employee 1 suffered burns to hisface hands arms and legs in the explosion and was hospitalized

OSHA inspection 111109237 Employee 1 or 3 attempted to cut a metal pipe with a metal saw whileEmployee 2 was standing on top of one of two 5000 gallon gas tanks trying to remove a tank fitting Sparks from thesaw the pipe wrench or another unknown source ignited the gas vapors which exploded Employees 1 and 3 werekilled of burns at the scene Employee 2 died at the burn center as a result of burns sustained in the explosion

OSHA inspection 102826625 Employee 1 worked for a company that cleans paints and replaces valves in LPand MAPP gas cylinders Before removing an old valve Employee 1 would open the valve to let the residual gas leakout on the loading dock Where there was a large quantity of cylinders Employee 1 would invert the cylinder so theresidual gas could vent faster Employee 1 had an accumulation of a gas and air mixture around his work area Thevapors were ignited either by a spark from the metal screwdriver he was using to open a damaged valve or by an openflame burner approximately 40 feet away There was a fire and explosion The employee sustained 2nd and 3rd degreeburns on the lower half of his body and was hospitalized

OSHA inspection 607366 an employee was sawing an airplane wing into sections with a portable powered handsaw the saw created a spark that caused an explosion of gasoline vapors in the wing fuel tank Employee 1 killed andEmployee 2 injured in explosion and was hospitalized

OSHA inspection 309178523 employer was cited for violating Section 5(a)(1) of the Occupational Safety andHealth Act of 1970 often referred to as the General Duty Clause which requires employers to furnish to each of hisemployees employment and a place of employment which are free from recognized hazards that are causing or arelikely to cause death or serious physical harm to his employees for exposing employee to an explosion hazard byopening the hydrogen tube trailer main valve without using non-sparking tools

OSHA inspection 304994304 employer was cited for violating Section 5(a)(1) of the Occupational Safety andHealth Act of 1970 violation for exposing employee to a fireexplosion hazard while performing maintenance operationson LP gas tanks with ferrous tools One feasible and acceptable abatement method to correct this hazard is toimplement the use of non- sparking toolsThe Report of the BP US Refineries independent Safety Review Panel also known as the Baker Panel Report states

that ldquoPreventing process accidents requires vigilance The passing of time without a process accident is not necessarilyan indicator that all is well and may contribute to a dangerous and growing sense of complacencyrdquo This sample ofOSHA documented events illustrates accidents do happen when proper safety measures are not taken againstmechanical sparks from steel tools as a possible ignition sourceHaving said that we appreciate the Committeersquos time and agree with the Committee that procedures for cleanup of

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Report on Comments ndash June 2011 NFPA 30Aspills is not within the scope of NFPA 30A

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Report on Comments ndash June 2011 NFPA 30A_______________________________________________________________________________________________30A- Log 7

_______________________________________________________________________________________________Robert Bourke Northeastern Regional Fire Code Development Committee

30A-19Add a new section to read 11721 Where approved by the Authority Having Jurisdiction piers

that extend more than 152 m (500 ft) in travel distance from shore shall be permitted to provide a Class I standpipe thatis installed in accordance with NFPA 14 Standard for the Installation of Standpipe and Hose Systems

The TC missed the point in the substantiation of the proposalIt was not the intent of the proposal to obtain additional flexibility of FD use over that which is provided by a Class III

standpipe system The intent of the proposal was to provide relief from the requirement where the local AHJ feels thatthe effectiveness and likelihood of occupant use of fire hoses does not justify the added risk to the occupant or theinstallation and maintenance costs associated with the requisite hose for a Class III system A Class I system would stillprovide FD fire fighting capabilities in jurisdictions where the AHJ prefers occupants to evacuate and not attempt to fightfires beyond portable fire extinguisher capability

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From Benedetti BobTo bcotnerswriorgCc Harrington Greg Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiBcc May PaulSubject Inquiry NFPA 30 amp NFPA 30ADate Thursday July 08 2010 121900 PM

Good Morning Mr Cotner Greg Harrington asked that I respond to your question about the proper use ofintermediate bulk containers Actually an intermediate bulk container is a shipping vessel that must meetrequirements and specifications of the U S Department of Transportation for shippingmaterials from Point A to Point B It is not intended to be a storage vessel althoughthe liquid contained is obviously dispensed from the vessel for use Dispensing of motor fuels is covered by NFPA 30A Code for Motor Fuel DispensingFacilities and Repair Garages NFPA 30A states in Subsection 421 421 Liquids shall be stored in the following(1) Approved closed containers that do not exceed 227 L (60 gal) capacity and arelocated outside buildings(2) Tanks or approved closed containers located inside motor fuel dispensingfacilities or repair garages(3) Aboveground tanks underground tanks and containers in accordance with therequirements of Section 43(4) Tanks supplying marine service stations in accordance with Section 112 Section 43 states the following 432 Aboveground Storage Tanks Except as modified by the provisions of thissubsection aboveground storage tanks shall meet all applicable requirements ofChapters 21 through 23 and 27 of NFPA 30 Flammable and Combustible Liquids Code So in accordance with NFPA 30A Subsection 421(3) indicates that abovegroundstorage of motor fuel must be in a tank that meets the provisions of Section 43 Thelatter in turn references the Chapters in NFPA 30 that deal with fixed storage tanks Nowhere in these chapters is there any reference to an intermediate bulk container Chapter 9 of NFPA 30 does recognize an intermediate bulk container for warehouse-type storage of Class I flammable liquids but does not anticipate continual dispensingand use One could evaluate an intermediate bulk container as a means of long-term storageand dispensing of liquids under the Equivalency clause My opinion is that an intermediate bulk container is not considered a substitute for anaboveground storage tank but this is not specifically stated in the relevant codes This issue will be added to the agendas for the Technical Committees involved Please understand that this response is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 ofNFPArsquos Regulations Governing Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon todefinitively determine compliance with any laws ordinances rules or regulations Todetermine legal compliance you should refer to the appropriate authority havingjurisdiction or seek legal advice It is not intended nor should it be relied upon toprovide professional consultation or services To determine the adequacy or safety ofany device or installation you should consult with an appropriate professional

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I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write Iwill be happy to assist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant toNFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does notnecessarily represent the official position of the NFPA or its Technical Committees Inaddition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it be relied upon to provideprofessional consultation or services cc 30IFI 30AIFI AUVNM FLCSWCNM FLCTANNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

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From Harrington Greg Sent Wednesday July 07 2010 350 PMTo Benedetti BobSubject FW Intermediate Bulk Containers Hi Bob Can you answer the question below Hersquos a friend of mine former inspector with San Antonio FD when Iworked down there now a safety guy at SWRI Thanks a lot --Greg

From Bill Cotner [mailtobcotnerswriorg] Sent Wednesday July 07 2010 332 PMTo Harrington GregSubject Intermediate Bulk Containers Hey Greg howrsquos the heat in Boston here it is a balmy 93 enjoying it I have a question probably out ofyour area but Irsquom sure you know who to route it to We have a group here that wants to dispense fuelfrom a stainless steel IBC into test engines I donrsquot think that is the intended use or what it has beenlisted for Can I get some guidance on this issue I appreciate anything you can do for me Bill Bill CotnerSenior Fire SpecialistEnvironmental Safety and Quality SystemsSouthwest Research InstitutePhone (210) 522-5101Fax (210) 522-5093Mobile (210) 669-7005Email bcotner swriorg

From Benedetti BobTo Ebanks DesmondCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiBcc May PaulSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Monday June 14 2010 35400 PM

Good afternoon Mr Ebanks The intent of Subsection 422 of NFPA 30A Code for Motor Fuel Dispensing Facilities and RepairGarages is that there be no direct piped connection between the aboveground storage tank inthe bulk plant and the fuel dispensing device in the motor fuel dispensing facility In my opinionthis includes any intervening underground storage tank The hazard being addressed is the potential to overfill the underground storage tank due to thestatic head of the liquid in the aboveground storage tank Please understand that this response is a personal opinion and does not constitute a FormalInterpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 of NFPArsquos RegulationsGoverning Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitively determine compliancewith any laws ordinances rules or regulations To determine legal compliance you shouldrefer to the appropriate authority having jurisdiction or seek legal advice It is not intended norshould it be relied upon to provide professional consultation or services To determine theadequacy or safety of any device or installation you should consult with an appropriateprofessional I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will behappy to assist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPARegulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarilyrepresent the official position of the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition thiscorrespondence is neither intended nor should it be relied upon to provide professional consultation orservices cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg Attend the premier event for fire life safety and electrical professionals

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From Ebanks Desmond [mailtoDesmondEbanksgovky] Sent Monday May 24 2010 940 AMTo Benedetti BobSubject bulk storage supply to motor fuel facilities Hi Bob NFPA 30A (2003) 422 gives to positions in relation to motor fuel dispensing facilities (mfdf) that I would like to havefurther clarified for Code intent please The first is that dispensing devices at the mfdf shall not be supplied by ASTs located in the bulk plant Does this implythat supply from a UST (underground storage tank) in the bulk storage facility would be acceptable or to the other extentthat even if the bulk AST supplied a loading rack which in turn supplied a UST both in the bulk facility that supplyfrom the bulk AST is still not permitted The second statement refers to any storage tank at the mfdf saying they shall not be connected by piping to bulkfacility ASTs Similarly does this imply that a UST (underground storage tank) in the bulk storage facility would beacceptable or that if the bulk tank was connected to a loading rack and the loading rack connected by non-permanentmeans to an mfdf tank that this would be permissible RegardsDes EbanksAssistant Petroleum InspectorThe Petroleum InspectorateCayman Islands GovernmentAnderson Square 4th floorPO Box 31213Grand CaymanKY1-1205Cayman IslandsOffice 345 244 3458Mobile 345 925 3317Fax 345 949 0920Email desmondebanksgovky

From Benedetti BobTo Shriniwas BodhankarCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiBcc May PaulSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Monday June 14 2010 50100 PM

Good day Sir There has been no discussion by the Technical Committee on Automotive and Marine ServiceStations to alter the separation distances in Table 4324 of NFPA 30A Code for Motor FuelDispensing Facilities and Repair Garages as they pertain to liquid fuels including high flashpoint diesel fuels Also there have been no proposals to make such a change to NFPA 30A I trust this answers your question R P Benedetti cc -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

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From Shriniwas Bodhankar [mailtobodhankarenoccom] Sent Tuesday June 01 2010 536 AMTo Maynard Mary Benedetti BobSubject NFPA 30 A Dear sir Reference is made to table no 4324 of NFPA code 30A specifying the minimum distance between storagetanks and dispensing equipment A dispenser should be placed minimum 50 feet away from a bunded abovegroundsteel tank to meet this requirementIn our opinion this is too stringent and uncalled for in case of high flash diesel ( Flash point above 65 degreecentigrade) A bunded tank where spill can be contained within bund is as safe as a vaulted tankfire resistanttankprotected tank Therefore it is equally safe to install an approved dispensing device immediately outside thebund provided the vent of the tank is 4 meters above the grade level on which the dispensing device is installedVarious international oil companies like SHELL amp BP carry similar installations for their fleet customers of dieselMoreover there are standard skids being marketed in EUROPE (even for gasoline) which have storage tanks and

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dispensers on same skid and such an arrangement is accepted by ldquoAuthority Having Jurisdictionrdquo(AHJ)Kindly advise if this standard requirement is being reviewed or otherwise if based on performance based designsuch a requirement may be waived or considered as ldquo highly recommendedrdquo in the leastBased on your feedback we wish to discuss this with AHJ in UAE Regards Regards Shriniwas BodhankarSenior EHS Compliance Officer( Special Projects)Group EHSQ Compliance DepartmentEmirates National Oil Company Limited (ENOC) LLC ENOC House I PO Box 6442Dubai United Arab EmiratesDirect +971 4 313 4437Fax +971 4 313 4482bodhankarenoccom | wwwenoccom

This message together with any attachments contains confidential information and is intended only for the use of theaddressee(s) and may contain information which is covered by legal professional or other privilege If you are not theintended recipient please inform the sender immediately and delete this e-mail You should not copy this e-mail or use itfor any purpose nor disclose its contents to any other person ENOC does not warrant that this transmission is virus freeand will not be liable for any damages resulting from any virus ENOC Dubai UAE

From Benedetti BobTo EActonccfireusCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiBcc May PaulSubject Inquiry NFPA 30A amp NFPA 30Date Monday August 02 2010 44400 PMAttachments DSC06169JPG

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Good day Mr Acton Fire protection provisions for major and minor repair garages and ldquolube-onlyrdquofacilities which is the topic of your concern are provided in NFPA 30A Code for MotorFuel Dispensing Facilities and Repair Garages currently 2008 edition Chapter 5 ofNFPA 30A covers piping systems but its specific provisions focus on piping systemsbetween fuel storage tanks and fuel dispensers Chapter 5 also directly referencesChapter 27 of the 2008 edition of NFPA 30 Flammable and Combustible Liquids Code(successor to Chapter 5 of the 2003 edition) Subsection 527 of NFPA 30A allows piping made from low-melting point materials tobe installed in exposed areas but only in specific locations These are limited tocontainment sumps under dispensers containment sumps for underground fuelstorage tanks and sumps for below-grade piping connections Chapter 5 of NFPA 30Ais silent on piping inside buildings Therefore the user is left with the provisions ofChapter 27 of NFPA 30 NFPA 30 in turn does allow piping fabricated of low melting point materials to beused exposed outdoors or inside buildings with the following provisions ldquo27441 Such materials shall be permitted to be used outdoors above ground orinside buildings provided they meet one of the following conditions (1) They are resistant to damage by fire(2) They are located so that any leakage resulting from failure will not exposepersons important buildings or structures(3) They are located where leakage can be controlled by operation of one or moreaccessible remotely located valvesrdquo Regardless of the material of construction of the piping and components the followinggeneral requirement from Chapter 27 of NFPA 30 always applies ldquo273 General Requirements2731 Performance Standards The design fabrication assembly test and inspectionof piping systems shall be suitable for the working pressures and structural stresses tobe encountered by the piping system Compliance with applicable sections of ASMEB31 Code for Pressure Piping and the provisions of this chapter shall be consideredprima facie evidence of compliance with the foregoing provisions2732 Tightness of Piping Piping systems shall be maintained liquidtight A pipingsystem that has leaks that constitute a hazard shall be emptied of liquid or repaired ina manner acceptable to the authority having jurisdictionrdquo Your interpretation of Subsection 511 of the 2003 edition of NFPA 30 (2711 in the2008 edition) is correct the chapter applies to any piping system that handles aflammable or combustible liquid regardless of pressure Likewise you are correct thatthe piping system must meet the provisions of ASME B31 for the material chosen andthe anticipated operating pressures and temperatures (531 in the 2003 edition 2741 in the 2008 edition) However low melting point materials (aluminum copperbrass and polymeric materials) are allowed under the provisions of Subsection 534(2003 edition) and 2744 (2008 edition) What must be determined is does thepiping system comply with one of the conditions stated in 27441 as stated above

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Please understand that this response is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 ofNFPArsquos Regulations Governing Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon todefinitively determine compliance with any laws ordinances rules or regulations Todetermine legal compliance you should refer to the appropriate authority havingjurisdiction or seek legal advice It is not intended nor should it be relied upon toprovide professional consultation or services To determine the adequacy or safety ofany device or installation you should consult with an appropriate professional I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write Iwill be happy to assist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant toNFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does notnecessarily represent the official position of the NFPA or its Technical Committees Inaddition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it be relied upon to provideprofessional consultation or services cc 30IFI 30AIFI AUVNM FLCTANNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

If you have a reported fire in your home the risk of dyingdecreases by about 80 percent when sprinklers are present

wwwfiresprinklerinitiativeorgNotice The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intendedfor the exclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential andor privileged information If you arenot the intended recipient please notify Robert Benedetti immediately by replying to the message or by calling(617) 984-7433 Please delete this message and any attachments from your system Thank you

From Eric Acton [mailtoEActonccfireus] Sent Monday July 19 2010 636 PMTo Benedetti BobSubject InterpretationOpinion request

Good day My name is Eric Acton I am the Fire Marshal for Campbell CountyWyoming and Irsquom employed by Campbell County Fire Department My NFPA

membership number is 2755369 My mailing and email addresses are listed below I am in need of a technical opinion regarding 2003 NFPA 30 Chapter 5 or morecurrently 2008 NFPA 30A Chapter 5 Some brief project backgroundAn owner within my jurisdiction has built a commercial lube-oil center to servicecustomersrsquo vehicles A ldquopitrdquo exists below the service bay to allow workers to drainthe oil from the vehicle then workers on the main floor refill the oil by use ofpressurized nozzles Several motor oil storage tanks are located in the pitaccounting for several brands and viscosities of oil The tanks are designed to befilled by use of a piping system which extends from an exterior connection vault toeach of the storage tanks using gravity to move the product in the fill-pipingsystem The material the owner chose to construct the fill-piping system wasldquostandardrdquo 1-12rdquo Schedule 40 PVC and Parker Series 7094 Electrically Non-Conductive rubber hose The piping system is exposed it is not underground nor isit protected from flame by means of a fire-rated chase Having identified the use of combustible liquids in this occupancy I utilized 2006International Fire Code (as adopted by my jurisdiction) Chapter 34 Flammable andCombustible Liquids to review and inspect the project IFC Section 340362referred me to NFPA 30 Chapter 5 for the construction materials to use where Iinterpreted (2003 version) 30511 to mean that the piping system components (pipetubing flanges bolting gaskets valves fittingshellip) must meet the requirementsregardless of pressure And that the following components specified in theparagraph must meet the requirements ONLY if they contained pressure ndashhelliprdquoexpansion joints and strainers and devices such thathelliprdquo I further interpreted(2003 version) 30531 Material Specifications similarly in that the ldquoPipe valvesfaucets couplingshelliprdquo must meet the requirements regardless of pressure while ldquohellipother pressure-containing partshelliprdquo meant ONLY the other parts that containedpressure Verbatim to 30511 is encountered in 2008 NFPA 30A Chapter 5paragraph 51 Scope The owner states his piping complies with the standard cited because it is gravity-fed hence no ldquopressurerdquo is seen by the piping components I maintain that thepiping system shall consist of metal pipe (or another material meeting therequirements of ASME B31 as allowed by 2003 NFPA 30531) to comply with NFPA30 and IFC Some assistance to resolve this problem is greatly appreciated I have attachedsome photographs for clarification Thanks for your attentionEric

Eric ActonFire MarshalCampbell County Fire Department 106 Rohan Avenue Gillette WY 82716 (307) 682-5319 ext 8912(307) 686-2222 Fax(307) 680-9612 Cell

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From Benedetti BobTo Howard Jim (Woodbridge)Cc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiBcc May PaulSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Monday June 28 2010 115100 AM

Good morning Mr Howard First I appreciate your patience with me while I reviewed the information sent to meby yourself and Mr Luby of Veeder-Root I wanted to ensure that I thoroughlyunderstood how the system functions in its line leak detection mode My understanding of the arrangement of the piping system from the pair ofunderground storage tanks is that the electronic line leak detector the PLLD tests thesupply piping from the two submersible pumps to the dispensers as a single system This includes the direct piping run from the master pump to the dispensers AND thepiping that connects the slave pump to the direct piping run The intent of Subsection 642 of the 2008 edition of NFPA 30A Code for Motor FuelDispensing Facilities and Repair Garages is to ensure that some type of leak detectiondevice monitors the piping from the submersible pump to the dispensers in such amanner that a leak in the piping leading to the dispensers or in the dispensersthemselves is detected and notification of a leak given Since the two pumps act intandem and since the entire piping system from the pumps to the dispensers ismonitored my personal opinion is that the intent of Subsection 642 is met andevaluation of the system described as being equivalent to what is required bySubsection 642 is reasonable Whether the system described meets the criteria of Section 15 Equivalency of NFPA30A must be determined by the authority having jurisdiction As NFPA Staff Liaison forNFPA 30A I cannot make such a determination under NFPArsquos Regulations GoverningCommittee Projects Please understand that this response is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 ofNFPArsquos Regulations Governing Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon todefinitively determine compliance with any laws ordinances rules or regulations Todetermine legal compliance you should refer to the appropriate authority havingjurisdiction or seek legal advice It is not intended nor should it be relied upon toprovide professional consultation or services To determine the adequacy or safety ofany device or installation you should consult with an appropriate professional I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write Iwill be happy to assist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant toNFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does notnecessarily represent the official position of the NFPA or its Technical Committees Inaddition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it be relied upon to provideprofessional consultation or services cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids Engineer

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National Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

If you have a reported fire in your home the risk of dyingdecreases by about 80 percent when sprinklers are present

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From Howard Jim (Woodbridge) [mailtoJHowardhesscom] Sent Monday June 14 2010 1144 AMTo Benedetti BobCc Howard Jim (Woodbridge) Bob Luby Subject Importance High Bob It was a pleasure talking to you this morning regarding the Line Leak Detection applicationin place at Hess Station 08501 - Milltown DE (drawing attached) as well as several thousandlocations worldwide Here is some background information on this installation

Site had 3 - 10000 gallon gasoline tanks 1 - 10000 Regular (87) 1 - 10000 Plus (89) 1 - 10000 Premium (93) prior to our Dispenser Replacement Project Because of theoverwhelming demand for Regular gasoline (887 in 2009) we converted the existingPlus tank to additional Regular storageDispensers were replaced with new Blend Dispensers Tanks were not manifoldedRegular and former-Plus product lines were manifolded at each dispenserWe installed Veeder-Root PLLDs (Electronic Line Leak Detectors) on the Regular 1and Premium STPs We installed a non-vented Swift Check on Regular 2 (formerPlus) STP Because the PLLD is vented we MUST install a non-vented swift check onRegular STP 2 in order to test the system as a wholeWe have demonstrated via post-construction testing that the system will pick up a 3gph leak

The State of DE has questioned our compliance with NFPA 30A 642 Each pump shallhave installed on the discharge side a listed leak detection device that will provide an audibleor visible indication if the piping or a dispenser is leaking Each leak-detecting device shallbe checked and tested at least annually according to the manufacturers specifications toensure proper installation and operation

Can you comment on whether the system shown on the attached and described above and onour call meets the NFPA requirement or if it meets the definition of Equivalency as definedin Chapter 15 - Equivalency Thank you in advance for your consideration in this matter Please do not hesitate to contactme if there are any questions or concerns on this application ThanksJim Howard RFMPManager Maintenance amp UST ComplianceHess Corporation732-750-6220 (office)800-903-4801 (Emergency Hotline)E-mail UST Inspections to USTCompliancehesscomFax UST Inspections to 866-435-6744

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From Benedetti BobTo Gary KostalCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiBcc May PaulSubject Inquiry NFPA 30 NFPA 30ADate Tuesday August 10 2010 43200 PM

Good afternoon Mr Kostal There are no provisions in NFPA 30 Flammable and Combustible Liquids Code togovern dispensing of motor fuels into motorized equipment and the devices youdescribe are not mentioned at all in NFPA 30 or in the only other related NFPAdocument that might apply NFPA 30A Code for Motor Fuel Dispensing Facilities andRepair Garages I cannot say that these units are either allowed or disallowed because neither NFPA30 nor NFPA 30A speaks about them The only provisions that might apply are the quantity limitations established in thesetwo codes depending on which code applies If the maintenance building is considered an industrial occupancy then Chapter 9 ofNFPA 30 establishes a maximum allowable quantity for of 120 gallons for Class Iliquids (The maximum allowable quantity is actually a threshold value Up to theMAQ compliance with NFPA 30 is not required above it NFPA 30 applies) If the maintenance building is considered a repair garage then NFPA 30A takesprecedence It also sets a 120 gallon limit on the maximum quantity of Class I liquid In both cases the quantity of fuel involved is 50 percent of the maximum allowed Myopinion is that there is no violation of either NFPA 30 or NFPA 30A Please understand that this response is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 ofNFPArsquos Regulations Governing Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon todefinitively determine compliance with any laws ordinances rules or regulations Todetermine legal compliance you should refer to the appropriate authority havingjurisdiction or seek legal advice It is not intended nor should it be relied upon toprovide professional consultation or services To determine the adequacy or safety ofany device or installation you should consult with an appropriate professional I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write Iwill be happy to assist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant toNFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does notnecessarily represent the official position of the NFPA or its Technical Committees Inaddition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it be relied upon to provideprofessional consultation or services cc 30IFI 30AIFI-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch Park

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Quincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg Important Notice This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPA RegulationsAny opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarily represent the officialposition of the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition this correspondence is neither intended norshould it be relied upon to provide professional consultation or services

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From Gary Kostal [mailtogarykbloomingdalefirecom] Sent Monday August 09 2010 328 PMTo Benedetti BobSubject Looking for assistance - portable gas caddies Membership 2329840 Gary KostalFire Prevention DirectorBloomingdale Fire District Question (Non-formal opinion) I have a country club where they service a very large number of lawn maintenance equipment on a dailybasis They are utilizing a portable gas container (gas caddy) that holds approximately 30 gallons ofgasoline The unit is equipped with a hand style pump which is located on the top of the tank Fuel isdispensed from this tank as you crank the pump There are no nozzles located on the hose These gascaddies are being used inside their maintenance building which is fully fire sprinkled They are presentlyusing two of these devices inside the same building which is basically one days use

My question is are these devices allowed for this type of dispensing Are they required to be equippedwith a self closing nozzle What NFPA sections would apply to this particular type of device Thank you for your assistance in this matter

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From Benedetti BobTo SheldonSchallWisconsingovCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Wednesday September 30 2009 45929 PM

Good afternoon Sheldon I will here provide more detailed answers to your questions as posed in the email you sent to me today Section 30A-4323 limits tank storage capacity for Class I and II No limit for Class IIIA or IIIB

You are correct The intent of 4323 is to limit the capacities only of those tanks that storeClass I and II liquids Recall that when NFPA 30A initially allowed aboveground storage tanks atvehicle fueling sites biofuels were not in the picture just gasoline (Class I) and diesel fuel (ClassII) The Technical Committee at the time did not conceive that there would be the need to storeClass III fuels because there werenrsquot any The bottom line NFPA 30A does not limit the capacityof an aboveground storage tank that holds a motor fuel that is a Class III liquid

Section 30A-4324 refers to setbacks in Table 4324 No indication that these setbacks are specific toor exclude any class of flammable or combustible so it appears that the setbacks apply to Class I -Class IIIB liquids This table appears to conflict with the previous section for Class IIIA amp IIIB liquids

This is again correct that the separation distances in Table 4324 are not specific to anyparticular Class of liquid There is no conflict however 4323 deals with tank capacities 4324 deals with separation distances for the tanks Since 4324 does not specify anyparticular liquid class(es) it applies to ALL liquid classes

Section 30A-4325 allows an increased capacity for Class II and III liquids at fleet facilities Thisappears to conflict with section 4323 for Class III liquids which didnt have a capacity limit to startwith

Here there is a conflict or at least a serious inconsistency This provision was added one or twoeditions after 4323 and it appears that biofuels are beginning to be recognized It also appearsthat the intent here was to allow a relaxation of one limit in favor of a more liberal one Theproblem is the original limit doesnrsquot exist making it arguable that the application of 4325 toClass III liquids is meaningless Given the obvious intent here for some limit on Class III liquidfuels 4323 should be amended to include Class IIIs

Section 30A-4327 addresses dispensing from an aboveground tank for Class I and II liquids based uponspecific conditions

Paragraph 4322 is a hold-over dating back to when service stations were covered in Chapter 7of the old versions of NFPA 30 This set of requirements should also be amended to include ClassIIIs

Section 30A-4328 refers to NFPA 30-2171 for spill and overfill This section only applies to class Iand II liquids

While it is true that Subsection 2171 of NFPA 30 only applies to Classes I and II I do not believeit is a conflict for NFPA 30A to also apply it to Class III as well if the Technical Committee it isappropriate to do so However the language needs to be improved or an Annex item should beadded to explain the extrapolation and the reason for it

I will add this to the next meetingrsquos agenda for the Technical Committee on Automotive and MarineService Stations As usual the following applies Please understand that this response to your inquiry is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 of NFPArsquos RegulationsGoverning Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitively determine compliance with anylaws ordinances rules or regulations To determine the adequacy or safety of any device or installationyou should consult with an appropriate professional To determine legal compliance you should refer tothe appropriate authority having jurisdiction or seek legal advice

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I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will be happy toassist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarily represent the official positionof the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it berelied upon to provide professional consultation or services cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

Fire Prevention Week is October 4 ndash 10 2009 Visit wwwfirepreventionweekorg or call 800-344-3555 for moreinformation NFPA Seminars - Apply the codes with confidenceRegister at wwwnfpalearnorg NFPA Membership keeps you up-to-dateVisit wwwnfpaorgjoin for more information Or call 800-344-3555Notice The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for theexclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential andor privileged information If you are not the intendedrecipient please notify Robert Benedetti immediately by replying to the message or by calling (617) 984-7433 Please deletethis message and any attachments from your system Thank you Considering the variables in the sections referenced above are the setbacks in Table 4324 intended toapply to Class IIIA andor Class IIIB liquids for public fueling

From Schall Sheldon - COMMERCE [mailtoSheldonSchallWisconsingov] Sent Wednesday September 30 2009 832 AMTo Benedetti BobSubject NFPA 30A-4324 inquiry - URGENT Section 30A-4323 limits tank storage capacity for Class I and II No limit for Class IIIA or IIIB trueSection 30A-4324 refers to setbacks in Table 4324 No indication that these setbacks are specific toor exclude any class of flammable or combustible so it appears that the setbacks apply to Class I -Class IIIB liquids This table appears to conflict with the previous section for Class IIIA amp IIIB liquids Also trueSection 30A-4325 allows an increased capacity for Class II and III liquids at fleet facilities Thisappears to conflict with section 4323 for Class III liquids which didnt have a capacity limit to startwith Either one or the other needs to changeSection 30A-4327 addresses dispensing from an aboveground tank for Class I and II liquids based uponspecific conditions Need to cover IIIBSection 30A-4328 refers to NFPA 30-2171 for spill and overfill This section only applies to class Iand II liquids Class IIIs need to be specifically addressed Considering the variables in the sections referenced above are the setbacks in Table 4324 intended toapply to Class IIIA andor Class IIIB liquids for public fueling

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From Benedetti BobTo Bill HickmanCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Monday December 14 2009 50332 PM

Good afternoon Mr Hickman To answer your question the separation distances in Table 4324 of NFPA 30A Code for MotorFuel Dispensing Facilities and Repair Garages are intended to apply to outside abovegroundstorage tanks for fuel where such is allowed The tanks inside a service station building majorrepair garage or minor repair garage would likely be handling Class IIIB liquids (flash point gt200 degF) only in accordance with Subsection 4392 of NFPA 30A Subsection 4392 does not set any specific requirements for separation between tanks inside abuilding although it does refer back to Chapters 21 through 23 of NFPA 30 Flammable andCombustible Liquids Code Shell-to-shell spacing distances for aboveground tanks areestablished in Table 22421 Table 22421 is intended for much large tanks than one wouldfind in a repair garage or ldquolube-onlyrdquo facility For example the minimum separation for tanksstoring Class IIIB liquids is 3 feet as set forth in 224212 But again the separationdistances in Chapter 22 of NFPA 30 are intended for tank farm application not for the muchsmaller tanks found in the type of occupancy governed by NFPA 30A Also any facility meeting the requirements of NFPA 30A is considered to be in compliance withNFPA 30 Please understand that this response to your inquiry is a personal opinion and does notconstitute a Formal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 ofNFPArsquos Regulations Governing Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitivelydetermine compliance with any laws ordinances rules or regulations To determine theadequacy or safety of any device or installation you should consult with an appropriateprofessional To determine legal compliance you should refer to the appropriate authorityhaving jurisdiction or seek legal advice I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will behappy to assist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPARegulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarilyrepresent the official position of the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition thiscorrespondence is neither intended nor should it be relied upon to provide professional consultation orservices cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg If you have a reported fire in your home the risk of dyingdecreases by about 80 percent when sprinklers are present

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From Bill Hickman [mailtoBillHickmanstatecous] Sent Tuesday December 01 2009 939 AMTo Benedetti BobSubject Inquiry NFPA 30A - Storage of Liquids Inside Buildings Mr Benedetti Id appreciate your interpretation on an item regarding aboveground tanks storing lubricants (newused oil) inside abuilding at a repair garage NFPA 30A 439 does not include specific spacing requirements for tanks inside buildings Where there are multiple tanks being stored inside the building is there no minimum separation distance requirementthat must be met or do the requirements of Table 4324 apply Thank you in advance for your assistance __________________________________ Bill HickmanInspectorTechnical SpecialistCO Division of Oil amp Public Safety303-378-5090

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From Benedetti BobTo Peznowski EdwardCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Thursday September 03 2009 30455 PM

Hi Ed The 1996 edition of the Flammable and Combustible Liquids Code Handbook was the last one prior to thecurrent 2008 edition The commentary hasnrsquot changed My recollection of the development of this text is that the intent of NFPA 30A Code for Motor FuelDispensing Facilities and Repair Garages is to isolate the motor fuel dispensing area and its attendanthazard completely from the rest of the structure regardless of what else might be in the structure Subsection 524 assumes that the installation involves a motor fuel dispensing operation inside abuilding where you would not expect to have same such as an office building A bus repair facility wouldbe probably classed as a major repair garage and would be expected to have fueling operations Thehazard of this is in my opinion no greater than the repair operations It could be that the language in Subsection 524 needs to be clarified so that it applies only to situationssuch as I first described Please understand that this response to your inquiry is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 of NFPArsquos RegulationsGoverning Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitively determine compliance with anylaws ordinances rules or regulations To determine the adequacy or safety of any device or installationyou should consult with an appropriate professional To determine legal compliance you should refer tothe appropriate authority having jurisdiction or seek legal advice I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will be happy toassist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarily represent the official positionof the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it berelied upon to provide professional consultation or services cc 30AIFI 30AFAQ AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

Fire Prevention Week is October 4 ndash 10 2009 Visit wwwfirepreventionweekorg or call 800-344-3555 for moreinformation NFPA Seminars - Apply the codes with confidenceRegister at wwwnfpalearnorg NFPA Membership keeps you up-to-dateVisit wwwnfpaorgjoin for more information Or call 800-344-3555Notice The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for the

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exclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential andor privileged information If you are not the intendedrecipient please notify Robert Benedetti immediately by replying to the message or by calling (617) 984-7433 Please deletethis message and any attachments from your system Thank you

From Peznowski Edward [mailtoEdwardPeznowskipostatectus] Sent Monday August 31 2009 127 PMTo Benedetti BobSubject NFPA 30A Hi Bob Sorry to bother you but I need your help and interpretation of the following section of NFPA 30A 2000edition 524 - All piping inside buildings but outside the motor fuel dispensing area shall be enclosed within ahorizontal chase or a vertical shaft used only for this piping Vertical shafts and horizontal chases shall beconstructed of materials having a fire resistance rating of not less than 2 hours Bob I have a bus repair facility being built and we have fuel dispensing area within the building enclosedwith a 2hr fire resistive separation My question is I have diesel fuel piping coming from two tanks locatedoutside of the building the piping runs outside of the dispensing area does this piping need to be enclosed Ihave the proper UL listed system for through wall penetrations My problem lies here I have natural gas heating fuel oil lines for boilers and diesel fuel line for thegenerator all running through the area outside the 2 hour rated dispensing area which are not required to beenclosed My thought is within the 2 hour fire resistive construction I have storage rooms for grease and oil a office forfuel dispensing Any fuel piping running through these areas would be enclosed but once I go outside my 2hrrated enclosure the piping would not have to be enclosed NFPA 30A (1996edition)6-42 - All fuel and flammable vapor piping inside buildings but outside the service station area shall beenclosed within a horizontal chase or a vertical shaft used only for this piping Vertical shafts and horizontalchases shall be constructed of materials having a fire resistance rating of not less than 2 hoursCOMMENTARY 6-42 The intent of this requirement is to preserve the isolation of the service stationoperation from the rest of the building I donrsquot have the 2000 handbook for commentary Thanks Bob Edward J PeznowskiFire amp Life Safety SpecialistBureau of EngineeringOffice State Fire Marshal860-685-8350

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From Benedetti BobTo Hamilton James P (HOY)Cc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiSubject Inquiry NFPA 30A-2008Date Monday September 14 2009 115041 AM

Good morning Mr Hamilton The intent of this particular provision of Subsection 672 of NFPA 30A Code for Motor Fuel DispensingFacilities and Repair Garages is to ensure that the patron has access to a second disconnect if he or shecannot reach the primary disconnect ie the one that is between 20 and 100 feet from the dispenser In my opinion all of the emergency disconnects required by Section 67 must be at least 20 ft but normore than 100 ft from the nearest dispenser Please understand that this response to your inquiry is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 of NFPArsquos RegulationsGoverning Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitively determine compliance with anylaws ordinances rules or regulations To determine the adequacy or safety of any device or installationyou should consult with an appropriate professional To determine legal compliance you should refer tothe appropriate authority having jurisdiction or seek legal advice I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will be happy toassist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarily represent the official positionof the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it berelied upon to provide professional consultation or services cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

Fire Prevention Week is October 4 ndash 10 2009 Visit wwwfirepreventionweekorg or call 800-344-3555 for moreinformation NFPA Seminars - Apply the codes with confidenceRegister at wwwnfpalearnorg NFPA Membership keeps you up-to-dateVisit wwwnfpaorgjoin for more information Or call 800-344-3555Notice The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for theexclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential andor privileged information If you are not the intendedrecipient please notify Robert Benedetti immediately by replying to the message or by calling (617) 984-7433 Please deletethis message and any attachments from your system Thank you

From Hamilton James P (HOY) [mailtoHAMILTONJPbechteljacobsorg] Sent Thursday September 10 2009 1224 PMTo Benedetti BobSubject NFPA 30A 2008 Edition

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Importance High

NFPA 30A 672 states at least one additional device or disconnect shall be readily accessible toeach group of dispensing devices on an individual island Our installation does not have islands Should the second emergency shutoff be installed close to the pumps or between 20 and 100 ofthe pumps

Please respond back via email hamiltonjpbechteljacobsorg

Thanks

NFPA 127130 James P Hamilton CFPSTetraTek Inc - Fire Safety TechnologiesFire Protection LeadK-27 Pre-Demo Project 790 Emory Valley Rd 811 Oak Ridge TN 37830 ETTP Office 865-241-1902

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From Benedetti BobTo Scott DavonskiCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Tuesday August 04 2009 92429 AM

Good morning Mr Davonski My opinion is that the intent of the requirement in Subsection 1141 of NFPA 30A Code for Motor FuelDispensing Facilities and Repair Garages is that any hose longer than 18 feet should not simply bestrung along the dockrsquos surface Using a reel would be one means of securing the hose although Irsquomsure other methods such as hangers would work as well Please understand that this response to your inquiry is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 of NFPArsquos RegulationsGoverning Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitively determine compliance with anylaws ordinances rules or regulations To determine the adequacy or safety of any device or installationyou should consult with an appropriate professional To determine legal compliance you should refer tothe appropriate authority having jurisdiction or seek legal advice I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will be happy toassist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarily represent the official positionof the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it berelied upon to provide professional consultation or services cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

Fire Prevention Week is October 4 ndash 10 2009 Visit wwwfirepreventionweekorg or call 800-344-3555 for moreinformation NFPA Seminars - Apply the codes with confidenceRegister at wwwnfpalearnorg NFPA Membership keeps you up-to-dateVisit wwwnfpaorgjoin for more information Or call 800-344-3555Notice The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for theexclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential andor privileged information If you are not the intendedrecipient please notify Robert Benedetti immediately by replying to the message or by calling (617) 984-7433 Please deletethis message and any attachments from your system Thank you

From Scott Davonski [mailtodavonskiRiverheadlicom] Sent Wednesday July 22 2009 1118 AMTo Benedetti BobSubject 30A clarification

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1141 All hose shall be listed Where hose length exceeds 55 m (18 ft) the hose shall besecured so as to protect it from damage Can you provide clarification as to what is meant by ldquosecured so as to protect it fromdamagerdquo Is the standard looking not to have the hoses on the dock In a reel Any clarificationinformation would be appreciated Scott W DavonskiChief Fire MarshalTown of RiverheadP- 631-727-3200 ext 209F- 631-727-3370

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Page 25: TECHNICAL COMMITTEE ON AUTOMOTIVE and MARINE … · SUBJECT: Agenda for ROC Meeting – October 4, 2010 _____ Ladies and Gentlemen: Attached is the Agenda for the NFPA 30A Report

Report on Comments ndash June 2011 NFPA 30Amaterial handling equipment and hand tools shall be of the type to prevent sources of ignition EPA has identifiedsolvents such as xylene acetone ethyl acetate ethyl benzene and ethyl ether commonly used in all industries (theF-list) and discarded commercial chemical products such as acetone benzene ethyl ether and xylene (the P-list andU-list) as ignitable hazardous wastes API members such as ExxonMobil and Chevron as well as others in the petroleum industry such as Valero CITGO

Petroleum Corporation Chem-Supply Pty Ltd Irving Oil Ltd Petrol Star Inc Nova Chemicals and El Paso Corporationregularly the use of ldquonon-sparkingrdquo tools under Accidental Release Measures and Handling and Storage sectionsin the MSDSrsquos for their petroleum products These companies clearly recognize the need for ldquonon-sparkingrdquo tools inworking with and around flammable materials API 2214 Section 12 Background ldquohellipthese engineers pointed out that although numerous opportunities existed for

the production of sparks from violent contact of steel objects with other steel objects there was a negligible record offires resulting from such a causerdquo On the contrary there are a number of documented incidents involving flammablevapors ignited by steel sparks from tools A few examples are as follows

OSHA inspection 300965795 an employee in the process of cleaning loose material from drill piping with ametal hammer While striking the pipe with a hammer an explosion occurred Employee was killed in the explosion onsite

OSHA inspection 2272953 two employees were assigned the job of tending a 100 gallon (water jacket) reactorkettle of methyl methacrylate in the mixing room Employee 1 used a metal wrench (visegrips) to pry open the cover ofa kettle The wrench handle struck the angle iron support for the agitator motor producing a spark Employee 2noticed the spark which was immediately followed by a massive ldquofire ballrdquo Both employees were engulfed in thefireball Employee 3 came to the area to assist the other employees The investigation states that non-sparking toolswere not provided for the employees All three employees received first and second degree burns on their face armsand abdomen Employee 2 also received some third degree burns All three employees were hospitalized

OSHA inspection 124728437 Employee 1 and a coworker both maintenance mechanics were working in a 30inch by 36 inch manhole at a gas station Employee 1 was trying to change a fuel pump while the coworker watchedfrom outside the manhole Employee 1 was using an Allen wrench to loosen the bolts on the fuel pump lead when hecreated a spark that ignited the gas fumes in the manhole causing an explosion Employee 1 suffered burns to hisface hands arms and legs in the explosion and was hospitalized

OSHA inspection 111109237 Employee 1 or 3 attempted to cut a metal pipe with a metal saw whileEmployee 2 was standing on top of one of two 5000 gallon gas tanks trying to remove a tank fitting Sparks from thesaw the pipe wrench or another unknown source ignited the gas vapors which exploded Employees 1 and 3 werekilled of burns at the scene Employee 2 died at the burn center as a result of burns sustained in the explosion

OSHA inspection 102826625 Employee 1 worked for a company that cleans paints and replaces valves in LPand MAPP gas cylinders Before removing an old valve Employee 1 would open the valve to let the residual gas leakout on the loading dock Where there was a large quantity of cylinders Employee 1 would invert the cylinder so theresidual gas could vent faster Employee 1 had an accumulation of a gas and air mixture around his work area Thevapors were ignited either by a spark from the metal screwdriver he was using to open a damaged valve or by an openflame burner approximately 40 feet away There was a fire and explosion The employee sustained 2nd and 3rd degreeburns on the lower half of his body and was hospitalized

OSHA inspection 607366 an employee was sawing an airplane wing into sections with a portable powered handsaw the saw created a spark that caused an explosion of gasoline vapors in the wing fuel tank Employee 1 killed andEmployee 2 injured in explosion and was hospitalized

OSHA inspection 309178523 employer was cited for violating Section 5(a)(1) of the Occupational Safety andHealth Act of 1970 often referred to as the General Duty Clause which requires employers to furnish to each of hisemployees employment and a place of employment which are free from recognized hazards that are causing or arelikely to cause death or serious physical harm to his employees for exposing employee to an explosion hazard byopening the hydrogen tube trailer main valve without using non-sparking tools

OSHA inspection 304994304 employer was cited for violating Section 5(a)(1) of the Occupational Safety andHealth Act of 1970 violation for exposing employee to a fireexplosion hazard while performing maintenance operationson LP gas tanks with ferrous tools One feasible and acceptable abatement method to correct this hazard is toimplement the use of non- sparking toolsThe Report of the BP US Refineries independent Safety Review Panel also known as the Baker Panel Report states

that ldquoPreventing process accidents requires vigilance The passing of time without a process accident is not necessarilyan indicator that all is well and may contribute to a dangerous and growing sense of complacencyrdquo This sample ofOSHA documented events illustrates accidents do happen when proper safety measures are not taken againstmechanical sparks from steel tools as a possible ignition sourceHaving said that we appreciate the Committeersquos time and agree with the Committee that procedures for cleanup of

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Report on Comments ndash June 2011 NFPA 30Aspills is not within the scope of NFPA 30A

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Report on Comments ndash June 2011 NFPA 30A_______________________________________________________________________________________________30A- Log 7

_______________________________________________________________________________________________Robert Bourke Northeastern Regional Fire Code Development Committee

30A-19Add a new section to read 11721 Where approved by the Authority Having Jurisdiction piers

that extend more than 152 m (500 ft) in travel distance from shore shall be permitted to provide a Class I standpipe thatis installed in accordance with NFPA 14 Standard for the Installation of Standpipe and Hose Systems

The TC missed the point in the substantiation of the proposalIt was not the intent of the proposal to obtain additional flexibility of FD use over that which is provided by a Class III

standpipe system The intent of the proposal was to provide relief from the requirement where the local AHJ feels thatthe effectiveness and likelihood of occupant use of fire hoses does not justify the added risk to the occupant or theinstallation and maintenance costs associated with the requisite hose for a Class III system A Class I system would stillprovide FD fire fighting capabilities in jurisdictions where the AHJ prefers occupants to evacuate and not attempt to fightfires beyond portable fire extinguisher capability

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From Benedetti BobTo bcotnerswriorgCc Harrington Greg Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiBcc May PaulSubject Inquiry NFPA 30 amp NFPA 30ADate Thursday July 08 2010 121900 PM

Good Morning Mr Cotner Greg Harrington asked that I respond to your question about the proper use ofintermediate bulk containers Actually an intermediate bulk container is a shipping vessel that must meetrequirements and specifications of the U S Department of Transportation for shippingmaterials from Point A to Point B It is not intended to be a storage vessel althoughthe liquid contained is obviously dispensed from the vessel for use Dispensing of motor fuels is covered by NFPA 30A Code for Motor Fuel DispensingFacilities and Repair Garages NFPA 30A states in Subsection 421 421 Liquids shall be stored in the following(1) Approved closed containers that do not exceed 227 L (60 gal) capacity and arelocated outside buildings(2) Tanks or approved closed containers located inside motor fuel dispensingfacilities or repair garages(3) Aboveground tanks underground tanks and containers in accordance with therequirements of Section 43(4) Tanks supplying marine service stations in accordance with Section 112 Section 43 states the following 432 Aboveground Storage Tanks Except as modified by the provisions of thissubsection aboveground storage tanks shall meet all applicable requirements ofChapters 21 through 23 and 27 of NFPA 30 Flammable and Combustible Liquids Code So in accordance with NFPA 30A Subsection 421(3) indicates that abovegroundstorage of motor fuel must be in a tank that meets the provisions of Section 43 Thelatter in turn references the Chapters in NFPA 30 that deal with fixed storage tanks Nowhere in these chapters is there any reference to an intermediate bulk container Chapter 9 of NFPA 30 does recognize an intermediate bulk container for warehouse-type storage of Class I flammable liquids but does not anticipate continual dispensingand use One could evaluate an intermediate bulk container as a means of long-term storageand dispensing of liquids under the Equivalency clause My opinion is that an intermediate bulk container is not considered a substitute for anaboveground storage tank but this is not specifically stated in the relevant codes This issue will be added to the agendas for the Technical Committees involved Please understand that this response is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 ofNFPArsquos Regulations Governing Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon todefinitively determine compliance with any laws ordinances rules or regulations Todetermine legal compliance you should refer to the appropriate authority havingjurisdiction or seek legal advice It is not intended nor should it be relied upon toprovide professional consultation or services To determine the adequacy or safety ofany device or installation you should consult with an appropriate professional

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I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write Iwill be happy to assist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant toNFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does notnecessarily represent the official position of the NFPA or its Technical Committees Inaddition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it be relied upon to provideprofessional consultation or services cc 30IFI 30AIFI AUVNM FLCSWCNM FLCTANNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

If you have a reported fire in your home the risk of dyingdecreases by about 80 percent when sprinklers are present

wwwfiresprinklerinitiativeorgNotice The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intendedfor the exclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential andor privileged information If you arenot the intended recipient please notify Robert Benedetti immediately by replying to the message or by calling(617) 984-7433 Please delete this message and any attachments from your system Thank you

From Harrington Greg Sent Wednesday July 07 2010 350 PMTo Benedetti BobSubject FW Intermediate Bulk Containers Hi Bob Can you answer the question below Hersquos a friend of mine former inspector with San Antonio FD when Iworked down there now a safety guy at SWRI Thanks a lot --Greg

From Bill Cotner [mailtobcotnerswriorg] Sent Wednesday July 07 2010 332 PMTo Harrington GregSubject Intermediate Bulk Containers Hey Greg howrsquos the heat in Boston here it is a balmy 93 enjoying it I have a question probably out ofyour area but Irsquom sure you know who to route it to We have a group here that wants to dispense fuelfrom a stainless steel IBC into test engines I donrsquot think that is the intended use or what it has beenlisted for Can I get some guidance on this issue I appreciate anything you can do for me Bill Bill CotnerSenior Fire SpecialistEnvironmental Safety and Quality SystemsSouthwest Research InstitutePhone (210) 522-5101Fax (210) 522-5093Mobile (210) 669-7005Email bcotner swriorg

From Benedetti BobTo Ebanks DesmondCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiBcc May PaulSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Monday June 14 2010 35400 PM

Good afternoon Mr Ebanks The intent of Subsection 422 of NFPA 30A Code for Motor Fuel Dispensing Facilities and RepairGarages is that there be no direct piped connection between the aboveground storage tank inthe bulk plant and the fuel dispensing device in the motor fuel dispensing facility In my opinionthis includes any intervening underground storage tank The hazard being addressed is the potential to overfill the underground storage tank due to thestatic head of the liquid in the aboveground storage tank Please understand that this response is a personal opinion and does not constitute a FormalInterpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 of NFPArsquos RegulationsGoverning Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitively determine compliancewith any laws ordinances rules or regulations To determine legal compliance you shouldrefer to the appropriate authority having jurisdiction or seek legal advice It is not intended norshould it be relied upon to provide professional consultation or services To determine theadequacy or safety of any device or installation you should consult with an appropriateprofessional I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will behappy to assist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPARegulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarilyrepresent the official position of the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition thiscorrespondence is neither intended nor should it be relied upon to provide professional consultation orservices cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg Attend the premier event for fire life safety and electrical professionals

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From Ebanks Desmond [mailtoDesmondEbanksgovky] Sent Monday May 24 2010 940 AMTo Benedetti BobSubject bulk storage supply to motor fuel facilities Hi Bob NFPA 30A (2003) 422 gives to positions in relation to motor fuel dispensing facilities (mfdf) that I would like to havefurther clarified for Code intent please The first is that dispensing devices at the mfdf shall not be supplied by ASTs located in the bulk plant Does this implythat supply from a UST (underground storage tank) in the bulk storage facility would be acceptable or to the other extentthat even if the bulk AST supplied a loading rack which in turn supplied a UST both in the bulk facility that supplyfrom the bulk AST is still not permitted The second statement refers to any storage tank at the mfdf saying they shall not be connected by piping to bulkfacility ASTs Similarly does this imply that a UST (underground storage tank) in the bulk storage facility would beacceptable or that if the bulk tank was connected to a loading rack and the loading rack connected by non-permanentmeans to an mfdf tank that this would be permissible RegardsDes EbanksAssistant Petroleum InspectorThe Petroleum InspectorateCayman Islands GovernmentAnderson Square 4th floorPO Box 31213Grand CaymanKY1-1205Cayman IslandsOffice 345 244 3458Mobile 345 925 3317Fax 345 949 0920Email desmondebanksgovky

From Benedetti BobTo Shriniwas BodhankarCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiBcc May PaulSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Monday June 14 2010 50100 PM

Good day Sir There has been no discussion by the Technical Committee on Automotive and Marine ServiceStations to alter the separation distances in Table 4324 of NFPA 30A Code for Motor FuelDispensing Facilities and Repair Garages as they pertain to liquid fuels including high flashpoint diesel fuels Also there have been no proposals to make such a change to NFPA 30A I trust this answers your question R P Benedetti cc -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

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From Shriniwas Bodhankar [mailtobodhankarenoccom] Sent Tuesday June 01 2010 536 AMTo Maynard Mary Benedetti BobSubject NFPA 30 A Dear sir Reference is made to table no 4324 of NFPA code 30A specifying the minimum distance between storagetanks and dispensing equipment A dispenser should be placed minimum 50 feet away from a bunded abovegroundsteel tank to meet this requirementIn our opinion this is too stringent and uncalled for in case of high flash diesel ( Flash point above 65 degreecentigrade) A bunded tank where spill can be contained within bund is as safe as a vaulted tankfire resistanttankprotected tank Therefore it is equally safe to install an approved dispensing device immediately outside thebund provided the vent of the tank is 4 meters above the grade level on which the dispensing device is installedVarious international oil companies like SHELL amp BP carry similar installations for their fleet customers of dieselMoreover there are standard skids being marketed in EUROPE (even for gasoline) which have storage tanks and

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dispensers on same skid and such an arrangement is accepted by ldquoAuthority Having Jurisdictionrdquo(AHJ)Kindly advise if this standard requirement is being reviewed or otherwise if based on performance based designsuch a requirement may be waived or considered as ldquo highly recommendedrdquo in the leastBased on your feedback we wish to discuss this with AHJ in UAE Regards Regards Shriniwas BodhankarSenior EHS Compliance Officer( Special Projects)Group EHSQ Compliance DepartmentEmirates National Oil Company Limited (ENOC) LLC ENOC House I PO Box 6442Dubai United Arab EmiratesDirect +971 4 313 4437Fax +971 4 313 4482bodhankarenoccom | wwwenoccom

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From Benedetti BobTo EActonccfireusCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiBcc May PaulSubject Inquiry NFPA 30A amp NFPA 30Date Monday August 02 2010 44400 PMAttachments DSC06169JPG

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Good day Mr Acton Fire protection provisions for major and minor repair garages and ldquolube-onlyrdquofacilities which is the topic of your concern are provided in NFPA 30A Code for MotorFuel Dispensing Facilities and Repair Garages currently 2008 edition Chapter 5 ofNFPA 30A covers piping systems but its specific provisions focus on piping systemsbetween fuel storage tanks and fuel dispensers Chapter 5 also directly referencesChapter 27 of the 2008 edition of NFPA 30 Flammable and Combustible Liquids Code(successor to Chapter 5 of the 2003 edition) Subsection 527 of NFPA 30A allows piping made from low-melting point materials tobe installed in exposed areas but only in specific locations These are limited tocontainment sumps under dispensers containment sumps for underground fuelstorage tanks and sumps for below-grade piping connections Chapter 5 of NFPA 30Ais silent on piping inside buildings Therefore the user is left with the provisions ofChapter 27 of NFPA 30 NFPA 30 in turn does allow piping fabricated of low melting point materials to beused exposed outdoors or inside buildings with the following provisions ldquo27441 Such materials shall be permitted to be used outdoors above ground orinside buildings provided they meet one of the following conditions (1) They are resistant to damage by fire(2) They are located so that any leakage resulting from failure will not exposepersons important buildings or structures(3) They are located where leakage can be controlled by operation of one or moreaccessible remotely located valvesrdquo Regardless of the material of construction of the piping and components the followinggeneral requirement from Chapter 27 of NFPA 30 always applies ldquo273 General Requirements2731 Performance Standards The design fabrication assembly test and inspectionof piping systems shall be suitable for the working pressures and structural stresses tobe encountered by the piping system Compliance with applicable sections of ASMEB31 Code for Pressure Piping and the provisions of this chapter shall be consideredprima facie evidence of compliance with the foregoing provisions2732 Tightness of Piping Piping systems shall be maintained liquidtight A pipingsystem that has leaks that constitute a hazard shall be emptied of liquid or repaired ina manner acceptable to the authority having jurisdictionrdquo Your interpretation of Subsection 511 of the 2003 edition of NFPA 30 (2711 in the2008 edition) is correct the chapter applies to any piping system that handles aflammable or combustible liquid regardless of pressure Likewise you are correct thatthe piping system must meet the provisions of ASME B31 for the material chosen andthe anticipated operating pressures and temperatures (531 in the 2003 edition 2741 in the 2008 edition) However low melting point materials (aluminum copperbrass and polymeric materials) are allowed under the provisions of Subsection 534(2003 edition) and 2744 (2008 edition) What must be determined is does thepiping system comply with one of the conditions stated in 27441 as stated above

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Please understand that this response is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 ofNFPArsquos Regulations Governing Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon todefinitively determine compliance with any laws ordinances rules or regulations Todetermine legal compliance you should refer to the appropriate authority havingjurisdiction or seek legal advice It is not intended nor should it be relied upon toprovide professional consultation or services To determine the adequacy or safety ofany device or installation you should consult with an appropriate professional I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write Iwill be happy to assist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant toNFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does notnecessarily represent the official position of the NFPA or its Technical Committees Inaddition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it be relied upon to provideprofessional consultation or services cc 30IFI 30AIFI AUVNM FLCTANNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

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From Eric Acton [mailtoEActonccfireus] Sent Monday July 19 2010 636 PMTo Benedetti BobSubject InterpretationOpinion request

Good day My name is Eric Acton I am the Fire Marshal for Campbell CountyWyoming and Irsquom employed by Campbell County Fire Department My NFPA

membership number is 2755369 My mailing and email addresses are listed below I am in need of a technical opinion regarding 2003 NFPA 30 Chapter 5 or morecurrently 2008 NFPA 30A Chapter 5 Some brief project backgroundAn owner within my jurisdiction has built a commercial lube-oil center to servicecustomersrsquo vehicles A ldquopitrdquo exists below the service bay to allow workers to drainthe oil from the vehicle then workers on the main floor refill the oil by use ofpressurized nozzles Several motor oil storage tanks are located in the pitaccounting for several brands and viscosities of oil The tanks are designed to befilled by use of a piping system which extends from an exterior connection vault toeach of the storage tanks using gravity to move the product in the fill-pipingsystem The material the owner chose to construct the fill-piping system wasldquostandardrdquo 1-12rdquo Schedule 40 PVC and Parker Series 7094 Electrically Non-Conductive rubber hose The piping system is exposed it is not underground nor isit protected from flame by means of a fire-rated chase Having identified the use of combustible liquids in this occupancy I utilized 2006International Fire Code (as adopted by my jurisdiction) Chapter 34 Flammable andCombustible Liquids to review and inspect the project IFC Section 340362referred me to NFPA 30 Chapter 5 for the construction materials to use where Iinterpreted (2003 version) 30511 to mean that the piping system components (pipetubing flanges bolting gaskets valves fittingshellip) must meet the requirementsregardless of pressure And that the following components specified in theparagraph must meet the requirements ONLY if they contained pressure ndashhelliprdquoexpansion joints and strainers and devices such thathelliprdquo I further interpreted(2003 version) 30531 Material Specifications similarly in that the ldquoPipe valvesfaucets couplingshelliprdquo must meet the requirements regardless of pressure while ldquohellipother pressure-containing partshelliprdquo meant ONLY the other parts that containedpressure Verbatim to 30511 is encountered in 2008 NFPA 30A Chapter 5paragraph 51 Scope The owner states his piping complies with the standard cited because it is gravity-fed hence no ldquopressurerdquo is seen by the piping components I maintain that thepiping system shall consist of metal pipe (or another material meeting therequirements of ASME B31 as allowed by 2003 NFPA 30531) to comply with NFPA30 and IFC Some assistance to resolve this problem is greatly appreciated I have attachedsome photographs for clarification Thanks for your attentionEric

Eric ActonFire MarshalCampbell County Fire Department 106 Rohan Avenue Gillette WY 82716 (307) 682-5319 ext 8912(307) 686-2222 Fax(307) 680-9612 Cell

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From Benedetti BobTo Howard Jim (Woodbridge)Cc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiBcc May PaulSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Monday June 28 2010 115100 AM

Good morning Mr Howard First I appreciate your patience with me while I reviewed the information sent to meby yourself and Mr Luby of Veeder-Root I wanted to ensure that I thoroughlyunderstood how the system functions in its line leak detection mode My understanding of the arrangement of the piping system from the pair ofunderground storage tanks is that the electronic line leak detector the PLLD tests thesupply piping from the two submersible pumps to the dispensers as a single system This includes the direct piping run from the master pump to the dispensers AND thepiping that connects the slave pump to the direct piping run The intent of Subsection 642 of the 2008 edition of NFPA 30A Code for Motor FuelDispensing Facilities and Repair Garages is to ensure that some type of leak detectiondevice monitors the piping from the submersible pump to the dispensers in such amanner that a leak in the piping leading to the dispensers or in the dispensersthemselves is detected and notification of a leak given Since the two pumps act intandem and since the entire piping system from the pumps to the dispensers ismonitored my personal opinion is that the intent of Subsection 642 is met andevaluation of the system described as being equivalent to what is required bySubsection 642 is reasonable Whether the system described meets the criteria of Section 15 Equivalency of NFPA30A must be determined by the authority having jurisdiction As NFPA Staff Liaison forNFPA 30A I cannot make such a determination under NFPArsquos Regulations GoverningCommittee Projects Please understand that this response is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 ofNFPArsquos Regulations Governing Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon todefinitively determine compliance with any laws ordinances rules or regulations Todetermine legal compliance you should refer to the appropriate authority havingjurisdiction or seek legal advice It is not intended nor should it be relied upon toprovide professional consultation or services To determine the adequacy or safety ofany device or installation you should consult with an appropriate professional I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write Iwill be happy to assist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant toNFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does notnecessarily represent the official position of the NFPA or its Technical Committees Inaddition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it be relied upon to provideprofessional consultation or services cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids Engineer

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National Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

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From Howard Jim (Woodbridge) [mailtoJHowardhesscom] Sent Monday June 14 2010 1144 AMTo Benedetti BobCc Howard Jim (Woodbridge) Bob Luby Subject Importance High Bob It was a pleasure talking to you this morning regarding the Line Leak Detection applicationin place at Hess Station 08501 - Milltown DE (drawing attached) as well as several thousandlocations worldwide Here is some background information on this installation

Site had 3 - 10000 gallon gasoline tanks 1 - 10000 Regular (87) 1 - 10000 Plus (89) 1 - 10000 Premium (93) prior to our Dispenser Replacement Project Because of theoverwhelming demand for Regular gasoline (887 in 2009) we converted the existingPlus tank to additional Regular storageDispensers were replaced with new Blend Dispensers Tanks were not manifoldedRegular and former-Plus product lines were manifolded at each dispenserWe installed Veeder-Root PLLDs (Electronic Line Leak Detectors) on the Regular 1and Premium STPs We installed a non-vented Swift Check on Regular 2 (formerPlus) STP Because the PLLD is vented we MUST install a non-vented swift check onRegular STP 2 in order to test the system as a wholeWe have demonstrated via post-construction testing that the system will pick up a 3gph leak

The State of DE has questioned our compliance with NFPA 30A 642 Each pump shallhave installed on the discharge side a listed leak detection device that will provide an audibleor visible indication if the piping or a dispenser is leaking Each leak-detecting device shallbe checked and tested at least annually according to the manufacturers specifications toensure proper installation and operation

Can you comment on whether the system shown on the attached and described above and onour call meets the NFPA requirement or if it meets the definition of Equivalency as definedin Chapter 15 - Equivalency Thank you in advance for your consideration in this matter Please do not hesitate to contactme if there are any questions or concerns on this application ThanksJim Howard RFMPManager Maintenance amp UST ComplianceHess Corporation732-750-6220 (office)800-903-4801 (Emergency Hotline)E-mail UST Inspections to USTCompliancehesscomFax UST Inspections to 866-435-6744

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From Benedetti BobTo Gary KostalCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiBcc May PaulSubject Inquiry NFPA 30 NFPA 30ADate Tuesday August 10 2010 43200 PM

Good afternoon Mr Kostal There are no provisions in NFPA 30 Flammable and Combustible Liquids Code togovern dispensing of motor fuels into motorized equipment and the devices youdescribe are not mentioned at all in NFPA 30 or in the only other related NFPAdocument that might apply NFPA 30A Code for Motor Fuel Dispensing Facilities andRepair Garages I cannot say that these units are either allowed or disallowed because neither NFPA30 nor NFPA 30A speaks about them The only provisions that might apply are the quantity limitations established in thesetwo codes depending on which code applies If the maintenance building is considered an industrial occupancy then Chapter 9 ofNFPA 30 establishes a maximum allowable quantity for of 120 gallons for Class Iliquids (The maximum allowable quantity is actually a threshold value Up to theMAQ compliance with NFPA 30 is not required above it NFPA 30 applies) If the maintenance building is considered a repair garage then NFPA 30A takesprecedence It also sets a 120 gallon limit on the maximum quantity of Class I liquid In both cases the quantity of fuel involved is 50 percent of the maximum allowed Myopinion is that there is no violation of either NFPA 30 or NFPA 30A Please understand that this response is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 ofNFPArsquos Regulations Governing Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon todefinitively determine compliance with any laws ordinances rules or regulations Todetermine legal compliance you should refer to the appropriate authority havingjurisdiction or seek legal advice It is not intended nor should it be relied upon toprovide professional consultation or services To determine the adequacy or safety ofany device or installation you should consult with an appropriate professional I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write Iwill be happy to assist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant toNFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does notnecessarily represent the official position of the NFPA or its Technical Committees Inaddition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it be relied upon to provideprofessional consultation or services cc 30IFI 30AIFI-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch Park

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Quincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg Important Notice This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPA RegulationsAny opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarily represent the officialposition of the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition this correspondence is neither intended norshould it be relied upon to provide professional consultation or services

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From Gary Kostal [mailtogarykbloomingdalefirecom] Sent Monday August 09 2010 328 PMTo Benedetti BobSubject Looking for assistance - portable gas caddies Membership 2329840 Gary KostalFire Prevention DirectorBloomingdale Fire District Question (Non-formal opinion) I have a country club where they service a very large number of lawn maintenance equipment on a dailybasis They are utilizing a portable gas container (gas caddy) that holds approximately 30 gallons ofgasoline The unit is equipped with a hand style pump which is located on the top of the tank Fuel isdispensed from this tank as you crank the pump There are no nozzles located on the hose These gascaddies are being used inside their maintenance building which is fully fire sprinkled They are presentlyusing two of these devices inside the same building which is basically one days use

My question is are these devices allowed for this type of dispensing Are they required to be equippedwith a self closing nozzle What NFPA sections would apply to this particular type of device Thank you for your assistance in this matter

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From Benedetti BobTo SheldonSchallWisconsingovCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Wednesday September 30 2009 45929 PM

Good afternoon Sheldon I will here provide more detailed answers to your questions as posed in the email you sent to me today Section 30A-4323 limits tank storage capacity for Class I and II No limit for Class IIIA or IIIB

You are correct The intent of 4323 is to limit the capacities only of those tanks that storeClass I and II liquids Recall that when NFPA 30A initially allowed aboveground storage tanks atvehicle fueling sites biofuels were not in the picture just gasoline (Class I) and diesel fuel (ClassII) The Technical Committee at the time did not conceive that there would be the need to storeClass III fuels because there werenrsquot any The bottom line NFPA 30A does not limit the capacityof an aboveground storage tank that holds a motor fuel that is a Class III liquid

Section 30A-4324 refers to setbacks in Table 4324 No indication that these setbacks are specific toor exclude any class of flammable or combustible so it appears that the setbacks apply to Class I -Class IIIB liquids This table appears to conflict with the previous section for Class IIIA amp IIIB liquids

This is again correct that the separation distances in Table 4324 are not specific to anyparticular Class of liquid There is no conflict however 4323 deals with tank capacities 4324 deals with separation distances for the tanks Since 4324 does not specify anyparticular liquid class(es) it applies to ALL liquid classes

Section 30A-4325 allows an increased capacity for Class II and III liquids at fleet facilities Thisappears to conflict with section 4323 for Class III liquids which didnt have a capacity limit to startwith

Here there is a conflict or at least a serious inconsistency This provision was added one or twoeditions after 4323 and it appears that biofuels are beginning to be recognized It also appearsthat the intent here was to allow a relaxation of one limit in favor of a more liberal one Theproblem is the original limit doesnrsquot exist making it arguable that the application of 4325 toClass III liquids is meaningless Given the obvious intent here for some limit on Class III liquidfuels 4323 should be amended to include Class IIIs

Section 30A-4327 addresses dispensing from an aboveground tank for Class I and II liquids based uponspecific conditions

Paragraph 4322 is a hold-over dating back to when service stations were covered in Chapter 7of the old versions of NFPA 30 This set of requirements should also be amended to include ClassIIIs

Section 30A-4328 refers to NFPA 30-2171 for spill and overfill This section only applies to class Iand II liquids

While it is true that Subsection 2171 of NFPA 30 only applies to Classes I and II I do not believeit is a conflict for NFPA 30A to also apply it to Class III as well if the Technical Committee it isappropriate to do so However the language needs to be improved or an Annex item should beadded to explain the extrapolation and the reason for it

I will add this to the next meetingrsquos agenda for the Technical Committee on Automotive and MarineService Stations As usual the following applies Please understand that this response to your inquiry is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 of NFPArsquos RegulationsGoverning Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitively determine compliance with anylaws ordinances rules or regulations To determine the adequacy or safety of any device or installationyou should consult with an appropriate professional To determine legal compliance you should refer tothe appropriate authority having jurisdiction or seek legal advice

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I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will be happy toassist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarily represent the official positionof the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it berelied upon to provide professional consultation or services cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

Fire Prevention Week is October 4 ndash 10 2009 Visit wwwfirepreventionweekorg or call 800-344-3555 for moreinformation NFPA Seminars - Apply the codes with confidenceRegister at wwwnfpalearnorg NFPA Membership keeps you up-to-dateVisit wwwnfpaorgjoin for more information Or call 800-344-3555Notice The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for theexclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential andor privileged information If you are not the intendedrecipient please notify Robert Benedetti immediately by replying to the message or by calling (617) 984-7433 Please deletethis message and any attachments from your system Thank you Considering the variables in the sections referenced above are the setbacks in Table 4324 intended toapply to Class IIIA andor Class IIIB liquids for public fueling

From Schall Sheldon - COMMERCE [mailtoSheldonSchallWisconsingov] Sent Wednesday September 30 2009 832 AMTo Benedetti BobSubject NFPA 30A-4324 inquiry - URGENT Section 30A-4323 limits tank storage capacity for Class I and II No limit for Class IIIA or IIIB trueSection 30A-4324 refers to setbacks in Table 4324 No indication that these setbacks are specific toor exclude any class of flammable or combustible so it appears that the setbacks apply to Class I -Class IIIB liquids This table appears to conflict with the previous section for Class IIIA amp IIIB liquids Also trueSection 30A-4325 allows an increased capacity for Class II and III liquids at fleet facilities Thisappears to conflict with section 4323 for Class III liquids which didnt have a capacity limit to startwith Either one or the other needs to changeSection 30A-4327 addresses dispensing from an aboveground tank for Class I and II liquids based uponspecific conditions Need to cover IIIBSection 30A-4328 refers to NFPA 30-2171 for spill and overfill This section only applies to class Iand II liquids Class IIIs need to be specifically addressed Considering the variables in the sections referenced above are the setbacks in Table 4324 intended toapply to Class IIIA andor Class IIIB liquids for public fueling

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Table 4324 -13 Distance to Vehicle

From Benedetti BobTo Bill HickmanCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Monday December 14 2009 50332 PM

Good afternoon Mr Hickman To answer your question the separation distances in Table 4324 of NFPA 30A Code for MotorFuel Dispensing Facilities and Repair Garages are intended to apply to outside abovegroundstorage tanks for fuel where such is allowed The tanks inside a service station building majorrepair garage or minor repair garage would likely be handling Class IIIB liquids (flash point gt200 degF) only in accordance with Subsection 4392 of NFPA 30A Subsection 4392 does not set any specific requirements for separation between tanks inside abuilding although it does refer back to Chapters 21 through 23 of NFPA 30 Flammable andCombustible Liquids Code Shell-to-shell spacing distances for aboveground tanks areestablished in Table 22421 Table 22421 is intended for much large tanks than one wouldfind in a repair garage or ldquolube-onlyrdquo facility For example the minimum separation for tanksstoring Class IIIB liquids is 3 feet as set forth in 224212 But again the separationdistances in Chapter 22 of NFPA 30 are intended for tank farm application not for the muchsmaller tanks found in the type of occupancy governed by NFPA 30A Also any facility meeting the requirements of NFPA 30A is considered to be in compliance withNFPA 30 Please understand that this response to your inquiry is a personal opinion and does notconstitute a Formal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 ofNFPArsquos Regulations Governing Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitivelydetermine compliance with any laws ordinances rules or regulations To determine theadequacy or safety of any device or installation you should consult with an appropriateprofessional To determine legal compliance you should refer to the appropriate authorityhaving jurisdiction or seek legal advice I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will behappy to assist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPARegulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarilyrepresent the official position of the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition thiscorrespondence is neither intended nor should it be relied upon to provide professional consultation orservices cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg If you have a reported fire in your home the risk of dyingdecreases by about 80 percent when sprinklers are present

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From Bill Hickman [mailtoBillHickmanstatecous] Sent Tuesday December 01 2009 939 AMTo Benedetti BobSubject Inquiry NFPA 30A - Storage of Liquids Inside Buildings Mr Benedetti Id appreciate your interpretation on an item regarding aboveground tanks storing lubricants (newused oil) inside abuilding at a repair garage NFPA 30A 439 does not include specific spacing requirements for tanks inside buildings Where there are multiple tanks being stored inside the building is there no minimum separation distance requirementthat must be met or do the requirements of Table 4324 apply Thank you in advance for your assistance __________________________________ Bill HickmanInspectorTechnical SpecialistCO Division of Oil amp Public Safety303-378-5090

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From Benedetti BobTo Peznowski EdwardCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Thursday September 03 2009 30455 PM

Hi Ed The 1996 edition of the Flammable and Combustible Liquids Code Handbook was the last one prior to thecurrent 2008 edition The commentary hasnrsquot changed My recollection of the development of this text is that the intent of NFPA 30A Code for Motor FuelDispensing Facilities and Repair Garages is to isolate the motor fuel dispensing area and its attendanthazard completely from the rest of the structure regardless of what else might be in the structure Subsection 524 assumes that the installation involves a motor fuel dispensing operation inside abuilding where you would not expect to have same such as an office building A bus repair facility wouldbe probably classed as a major repair garage and would be expected to have fueling operations Thehazard of this is in my opinion no greater than the repair operations It could be that the language in Subsection 524 needs to be clarified so that it applies only to situationssuch as I first described Please understand that this response to your inquiry is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 of NFPArsquos RegulationsGoverning Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitively determine compliance with anylaws ordinances rules or regulations To determine the adequacy or safety of any device or installationyou should consult with an appropriate professional To determine legal compliance you should refer tothe appropriate authority having jurisdiction or seek legal advice I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will be happy toassist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarily represent the official positionof the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it berelied upon to provide professional consultation or services cc 30AIFI 30AFAQ AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

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From Peznowski Edward [mailtoEdwardPeznowskipostatectus] Sent Monday August 31 2009 127 PMTo Benedetti BobSubject NFPA 30A Hi Bob Sorry to bother you but I need your help and interpretation of the following section of NFPA 30A 2000edition 524 - All piping inside buildings but outside the motor fuel dispensing area shall be enclosed within ahorizontal chase or a vertical shaft used only for this piping Vertical shafts and horizontal chases shall beconstructed of materials having a fire resistance rating of not less than 2 hours Bob I have a bus repair facility being built and we have fuel dispensing area within the building enclosedwith a 2hr fire resistive separation My question is I have diesel fuel piping coming from two tanks locatedoutside of the building the piping runs outside of the dispensing area does this piping need to be enclosed Ihave the proper UL listed system for through wall penetrations My problem lies here I have natural gas heating fuel oil lines for boilers and diesel fuel line for thegenerator all running through the area outside the 2 hour rated dispensing area which are not required to beenclosed My thought is within the 2 hour fire resistive construction I have storage rooms for grease and oil a office forfuel dispensing Any fuel piping running through these areas would be enclosed but once I go outside my 2hrrated enclosure the piping would not have to be enclosed NFPA 30A (1996edition)6-42 - All fuel and flammable vapor piping inside buildings but outside the service station area shall beenclosed within a horizontal chase or a vertical shaft used only for this piping Vertical shafts and horizontalchases shall be constructed of materials having a fire resistance rating of not less than 2 hoursCOMMENTARY 6-42 The intent of this requirement is to preserve the isolation of the service stationoperation from the rest of the building I donrsquot have the 2000 handbook for commentary Thanks Bob Edward J PeznowskiFire amp Life Safety SpecialistBureau of EngineeringOffice State Fire Marshal860-685-8350

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From Benedetti BobTo Hamilton James P (HOY)Cc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiSubject Inquiry NFPA 30A-2008Date Monday September 14 2009 115041 AM

Good morning Mr Hamilton The intent of this particular provision of Subsection 672 of NFPA 30A Code for Motor Fuel DispensingFacilities and Repair Garages is to ensure that the patron has access to a second disconnect if he or shecannot reach the primary disconnect ie the one that is between 20 and 100 feet from the dispenser In my opinion all of the emergency disconnects required by Section 67 must be at least 20 ft but normore than 100 ft from the nearest dispenser Please understand that this response to your inquiry is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 of NFPArsquos RegulationsGoverning Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitively determine compliance with anylaws ordinances rules or regulations To determine the adequacy or safety of any device or installationyou should consult with an appropriate professional To determine legal compliance you should refer tothe appropriate authority having jurisdiction or seek legal advice I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will be happy toassist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarily represent the official positionof the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it berelied upon to provide professional consultation or services cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

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From Hamilton James P (HOY) [mailtoHAMILTONJPbechteljacobsorg] Sent Thursday September 10 2009 1224 PMTo Benedetti BobSubject NFPA 30A 2008 Edition

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Importance High

NFPA 30A 672 states at least one additional device or disconnect shall be readily accessible toeach group of dispensing devices on an individual island Our installation does not have islands Should the second emergency shutoff be installed close to the pumps or between 20 and 100 ofthe pumps

Please respond back via email hamiltonjpbechteljacobsorg

Thanks

NFPA 127130 James P Hamilton CFPSTetraTek Inc - Fire Safety TechnologiesFire Protection LeadK-27 Pre-Demo Project 790 Emory Valley Rd 811 Oak Ridge TN 37830 ETTP Office 865-241-1902

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From Benedetti BobTo Scott DavonskiCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Tuesday August 04 2009 92429 AM

Good morning Mr Davonski My opinion is that the intent of the requirement in Subsection 1141 of NFPA 30A Code for Motor FuelDispensing Facilities and Repair Garages is that any hose longer than 18 feet should not simply bestrung along the dockrsquos surface Using a reel would be one means of securing the hose although Irsquomsure other methods such as hangers would work as well Please understand that this response to your inquiry is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 of NFPArsquos RegulationsGoverning Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitively determine compliance with anylaws ordinances rules or regulations To determine the adequacy or safety of any device or installationyou should consult with an appropriate professional To determine legal compliance you should refer tothe appropriate authority having jurisdiction or seek legal advice I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will be happy toassist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarily represent the official positionof the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it berelied upon to provide professional consultation or services cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

Fire Prevention Week is October 4 ndash 10 2009 Visit wwwfirepreventionweekorg or call 800-344-3555 for moreinformation NFPA Seminars - Apply the codes with confidenceRegister at wwwnfpalearnorg NFPA Membership keeps you up-to-dateVisit wwwnfpaorgjoin for more information Or call 800-344-3555Notice The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for theexclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential andor privileged information If you are not the intendedrecipient please notify Robert Benedetti immediately by replying to the message or by calling (617) 984-7433 Please deletethis message and any attachments from your system Thank you

From Scott Davonski [mailtodavonskiRiverheadlicom] Sent Wednesday July 22 2009 1118 AMTo Benedetti BobSubject 30A clarification

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1141 All hose shall be listed Where hose length exceeds 55 m (18 ft) the hose shall besecured so as to protect it from damage Can you provide clarification as to what is meant by ldquosecured so as to protect it fromdamagerdquo Is the standard looking not to have the hoses on the dock In a reel Any clarificationinformation would be appreciated Scott W DavonskiChief Fire MarshalTown of RiverheadP- 631-727-3200 ext 209F- 631-727-3370

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Page 26: TECHNICAL COMMITTEE ON AUTOMOTIVE and MARINE … · SUBJECT: Agenda for ROC Meeting – October 4, 2010 _____ Ladies and Gentlemen: Attached is the Agenda for the NFPA 30A Report

Report on Comments ndash June 2011 NFPA 30Aspills is not within the scope of NFPA 30A

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Report on Comments ndash June 2011 NFPA 30A_______________________________________________________________________________________________30A- Log 7

_______________________________________________________________________________________________Robert Bourke Northeastern Regional Fire Code Development Committee

30A-19Add a new section to read 11721 Where approved by the Authority Having Jurisdiction piers

that extend more than 152 m (500 ft) in travel distance from shore shall be permitted to provide a Class I standpipe thatis installed in accordance with NFPA 14 Standard for the Installation of Standpipe and Hose Systems

The TC missed the point in the substantiation of the proposalIt was not the intent of the proposal to obtain additional flexibility of FD use over that which is provided by a Class III

standpipe system The intent of the proposal was to provide relief from the requirement where the local AHJ feels thatthe effectiveness and likelihood of occupant use of fire hoses does not justify the added risk to the occupant or theinstallation and maintenance costs associated with the requisite hose for a Class III system A Class I system would stillprovide FD fire fighting capabilities in jurisdictions where the AHJ prefers occupants to evacuate and not attempt to fightfires beyond portable fire extinguisher capability

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From Benedetti BobTo bcotnerswriorgCc Harrington Greg Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiBcc May PaulSubject Inquiry NFPA 30 amp NFPA 30ADate Thursday July 08 2010 121900 PM

Good Morning Mr Cotner Greg Harrington asked that I respond to your question about the proper use ofintermediate bulk containers Actually an intermediate bulk container is a shipping vessel that must meetrequirements and specifications of the U S Department of Transportation for shippingmaterials from Point A to Point B It is not intended to be a storage vessel althoughthe liquid contained is obviously dispensed from the vessel for use Dispensing of motor fuels is covered by NFPA 30A Code for Motor Fuel DispensingFacilities and Repair Garages NFPA 30A states in Subsection 421 421 Liquids shall be stored in the following(1) Approved closed containers that do not exceed 227 L (60 gal) capacity and arelocated outside buildings(2) Tanks or approved closed containers located inside motor fuel dispensingfacilities or repair garages(3) Aboveground tanks underground tanks and containers in accordance with therequirements of Section 43(4) Tanks supplying marine service stations in accordance with Section 112 Section 43 states the following 432 Aboveground Storage Tanks Except as modified by the provisions of thissubsection aboveground storage tanks shall meet all applicable requirements ofChapters 21 through 23 and 27 of NFPA 30 Flammable and Combustible Liquids Code So in accordance with NFPA 30A Subsection 421(3) indicates that abovegroundstorage of motor fuel must be in a tank that meets the provisions of Section 43 Thelatter in turn references the Chapters in NFPA 30 that deal with fixed storage tanks Nowhere in these chapters is there any reference to an intermediate bulk container Chapter 9 of NFPA 30 does recognize an intermediate bulk container for warehouse-type storage of Class I flammable liquids but does not anticipate continual dispensingand use One could evaluate an intermediate bulk container as a means of long-term storageand dispensing of liquids under the Equivalency clause My opinion is that an intermediate bulk container is not considered a substitute for anaboveground storage tank but this is not specifically stated in the relevant codes This issue will be added to the agendas for the Technical Committees involved Please understand that this response is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 ofNFPArsquos Regulations Governing Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon todefinitively determine compliance with any laws ordinances rules or regulations Todetermine legal compliance you should refer to the appropriate authority havingjurisdiction or seek legal advice It is not intended nor should it be relied upon toprovide professional consultation or services To determine the adequacy or safety ofany device or installation you should consult with an appropriate professional

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I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write Iwill be happy to assist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant toNFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does notnecessarily represent the official position of the NFPA or its Technical Committees Inaddition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it be relied upon to provideprofessional consultation or services cc 30IFI 30AIFI AUVNM FLCSWCNM FLCTANNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

If you have a reported fire in your home the risk of dyingdecreases by about 80 percent when sprinklers are present

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From Harrington Greg Sent Wednesday July 07 2010 350 PMTo Benedetti BobSubject FW Intermediate Bulk Containers Hi Bob Can you answer the question below Hersquos a friend of mine former inspector with San Antonio FD when Iworked down there now a safety guy at SWRI Thanks a lot --Greg

From Bill Cotner [mailtobcotnerswriorg] Sent Wednesday July 07 2010 332 PMTo Harrington GregSubject Intermediate Bulk Containers Hey Greg howrsquos the heat in Boston here it is a balmy 93 enjoying it I have a question probably out ofyour area but Irsquom sure you know who to route it to We have a group here that wants to dispense fuelfrom a stainless steel IBC into test engines I donrsquot think that is the intended use or what it has beenlisted for Can I get some guidance on this issue I appreciate anything you can do for me Bill Bill CotnerSenior Fire SpecialistEnvironmental Safety and Quality SystemsSouthwest Research InstitutePhone (210) 522-5101Fax (210) 522-5093Mobile (210) 669-7005Email bcotner swriorg

From Benedetti BobTo Ebanks DesmondCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiBcc May PaulSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Monday June 14 2010 35400 PM

Good afternoon Mr Ebanks The intent of Subsection 422 of NFPA 30A Code for Motor Fuel Dispensing Facilities and RepairGarages is that there be no direct piped connection between the aboveground storage tank inthe bulk plant and the fuel dispensing device in the motor fuel dispensing facility In my opinionthis includes any intervening underground storage tank The hazard being addressed is the potential to overfill the underground storage tank due to thestatic head of the liquid in the aboveground storage tank Please understand that this response is a personal opinion and does not constitute a FormalInterpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 of NFPArsquos RegulationsGoverning Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitively determine compliancewith any laws ordinances rules or regulations To determine legal compliance you shouldrefer to the appropriate authority having jurisdiction or seek legal advice It is not intended norshould it be relied upon to provide professional consultation or services To determine theadequacy or safety of any device or installation you should consult with an appropriateprofessional I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will behappy to assist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPARegulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarilyrepresent the official position of the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition thiscorrespondence is neither intended nor should it be relied upon to provide professional consultation orservices cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg Attend the premier event for fire life safety and electrical professionals

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From Ebanks Desmond [mailtoDesmondEbanksgovky] Sent Monday May 24 2010 940 AMTo Benedetti BobSubject bulk storage supply to motor fuel facilities Hi Bob NFPA 30A (2003) 422 gives to positions in relation to motor fuel dispensing facilities (mfdf) that I would like to havefurther clarified for Code intent please The first is that dispensing devices at the mfdf shall not be supplied by ASTs located in the bulk plant Does this implythat supply from a UST (underground storage tank) in the bulk storage facility would be acceptable or to the other extentthat even if the bulk AST supplied a loading rack which in turn supplied a UST both in the bulk facility that supplyfrom the bulk AST is still not permitted The second statement refers to any storage tank at the mfdf saying they shall not be connected by piping to bulkfacility ASTs Similarly does this imply that a UST (underground storage tank) in the bulk storage facility would beacceptable or that if the bulk tank was connected to a loading rack and the loading rack connected by non-permanentmeans to an mfdf tank that this would be permissible RegardsDes EbanksAssistant Petroleum InspectorThe Petroleum InspectorateCayman Islands GovernmentAnderson Square 4th floorPO Box 31213Grand CaymanKY1-1205Cayman IslandsOffice 345 244 3458Mobile 345 925 3317Fax 345 949 0920Email desmondebanksgovky

From Benedetti BobTo Shriniwas BodhankarCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiBcc May PaulSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Monday June 14 2010 50100 PM

Good day Sir There has been no discussion by the Technical Committee on Automotive and Marine ServiceStations to alter the separation distances in Table 4324 of NFPA 30A Code for Motor FuelDispensing Facilities and Repair Garages as they pertain to liquid fuels including high flashpoint diesel fuels Also there have been no proposals to make such a change to NFPA 30A I trust this answers your question R P Benedetti cc -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

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From Shriniwas Bodhankar [mailtobodhankarenoccom] Sent Tuesday June 01 2010 536 AMTo Maynard Mary Benedetti BobSubject NFPA 30 A Dear sir Reference is made to table no 4324 of NFPA code 30A specifying the minimum distance between storagetanks and dispensing equipment A dispenser should be placed minimum 50 feet away from a bunded abovegroundsteel tank to meet this requirementIn our opinion this is too stringent and uncalled for in case of high flash diesel ( Flash point above 65 degreecentigrade) A bunded tank where spill can be contained within bund is as safe as a vaulted tankfire resistanttankprotected tank Therefore it is equally safe to install an approved dispensing device immediately outside thebund provided the vent of the tank is 4 meters above the grade level on which the dispensing device is installedVarious international oil companies like SHELL amp BP carry similar installations for their fleet customers of dieselMoreover there are standard skids being marketed in EUROPE (even for gasoline) which have storage tanks and

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dispensers on same skid and such an arrangement is accepted by ldquoAuthority Having Jurisdictionrdquo(AHJ)Kindly advise if this standard requirement is being reviewed or otherwise if based on performance based designsuch a requirement may be waived or considered as ldquo highly recommendedrdquo in the leastBased on your feedback we wish to discuss this with AHJ in UAE Regards Regards Shriniwas BodhankarSenior EHS Compliance Officer( Special Projects)Group EHSQ Compliance DepartmentEmirates National Oil Company Limited (ENOC) LLC ENOC House I PO Box 6442Dubai United Arab EmiratesDirect +971 4 313 4437Fax +971 4 313 4482bodhankarenoccom | wwwenoccom

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From Benedetti BobTo EActonccfireusCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiBcc May PaulSubject Inquiry NFPA 30A amp NFPA 30Date Monday August 02 2010 44400 PMAttachments DSC06169JPG

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Good day Mr Acton Fire protection provisions for major and minor repair garages and ldquolube-onlyrdquofacilities which is the topic of your concern are provided in NFPA 30A Code for MotorFuel Dispensing Facilities and Repair Garages currently 2008 edition Chapter 5 ofNFPA 30A covers piping systems but its specific provisions focus on piping systemsbetween fuel storage tanks and fuel dispensers Chapter 5 also directly referencesChapter 27 of the 2008 edition of NFPA 30 Flammable and Combustible Liquids Code(successor to Chapter 5 of the 2003 edition) Subsection 527 of NFPA 30A allows piping made from low-melting point materials tobe installed in exposed areas but only in specific locations These are limited tocontainment sumps under dispensers containment sumps for underground fuelstorage tanks and sumps for below-grade piping connections Chapter 5 of NFPA 30Ais silent on piping inside buildings Therefore the user is left with the provisions ofChapter 27 of NFPA 30 NFPA 30 in turn does allow piping fabricated of low melting point materials to beused exposed outdoors or inside buildings with the following provisions ldquo27441 Such materials shall be permitted to be used outdoors above ground orinside buildings provided they meet one of the following conditions (1) They are resistant to damage by fire(2) They are located so that any leakage resulting from failure will not exposepersons important buildings or structures(3) They are located where leakage can be controlled by operation of one or moreaccessible remotely located valvesrdquo Regardless of the material of construction of the piping and components the followinggeneral requirement from Chapter 27 of NFPA 30 always applies ldquo273 General Requirements2731 Performance Standards The design fabrication assembly test and inspectionof piping systems shall be suitable for the working pressures and structural stresses tobe encountered by the piping system Compliance with applicable sections of ASMEB31 Code for Pressure Piping and the provisions of this chapter shall be consideredprima facie evidence of compliance with the foregoing provisions2732 Tightness of Piping Piping systems shall be maintained liquidtight A pipingsystem that has leaks that constitute a hazard shall be emptied of liquid or repaired ina manner acceptable to the authority having jurisdictionrdquo Your interpretation of Subsection 511 of the 2003 edition of NFPA 30 (2711 in the2008 edition) is correct the chapter applies to any piping system that handles aflammable or combustible liquid regardless of pressure Likewise you are correct thatthe piping system must meet the provisions of ASME B31 for the material chosen andthe anticipated operating pressures and temperatures (531 in the 2003 edition 2741 in the 2008 edition) However low melting point materials (aluminum copperbrass and polymeric materials) are allowed under the provisions of Subsection 534(2003 edition) and 2744 (2008 edition) What must be determined is does thepiping system comply with one of the conditions stated in 27441 as stated above

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Please understand that this response is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 ofNFPArsquos Regulations Governing Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon todefinitively determine compliance with any laws ordinances rules or regulations Todetermine legal compliance you should refer to the appropriate authority havingjurisdiction or seek legal advice It is not intended nor should it be relied upon toprovide professional consultation or services To determine the adequacy or safety ofany device or installation you should consult with an appropriate professional I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write Iwill be happy to assist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant toNFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does notnecessarily represent the official position of the NFPA or its Technical Committees Inaddition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it be relied upon to provideprofessional consultation or services cc 30IFI 30AIFI AUVNM FLCTANNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

If you have a reported fire in your home the risk of dyingdecreases by about 80 percent when sprinklers are present

wwwfiresprinklerinitiativeorgNotice The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intendedfor the exclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential andor privileged information If you arenot the intended recipient please notify Robert Benedetti immediately by replying to the message or by calling(617) 984-7433 Please delete this message and any attachments from your system Thank you

From Eric Acton [mailtoEActonccfireus] Sent Monday July 19 2010 636 PMTo Benedetti BobSubject InterpretationOpinion request

Good day My name is Eric Acton I am the Fire Marshal for Campbell CountyWyoming and Irsquom employed by Campbell County Fire Department My NFPA

membership number is 2755369 My mailing and email addresses are listed below I am in need of a technical opinion regarding 2003 NFPA 30 Chapter 5 or morecurrently 2008 NFPA 30A Chapter 5 Some brief project backgroundAn owner within my jurisdiction has built a commercial lube-oil center to servicecustomersrsquo vehicles A ldquopitrdquo exists below the service bay to allow workers to drainthe oil from the vehicle then workers on the main floor refill the oil by use ofpressurized nozzles Several motor oil storage tanks are located in the pitaccounting for several brands and viscosities of oil The tanks are designed to befilled by use of a piping system which extends from an exterior connection vault toeach of the storage tanks using gravity to move the product in the fill-pipingsystem The material the owner chose to construct the fill-piping system wasldquostandardrdquo 1-12rdquo Schedule 40 PVC and Parker Series 7094 Electrically Non-Conductive rubber hose The piping system is exposed it is not underground nor isit protected from flame by means of a fire-rated chase Having identified the use of combustible liquids in this occupancy I utilized 2006International Fire Code (as adopted by my jurisdiction) Chapter 34 Flammable andCombustible Liquids to review and inspect the project IFC Section 340362referred me to NFPA 30 Chapter 5 for the construction materials to use where Iinterpreted (2003 version) 30511 to mean that the piping system components (pipetubing flanges bolting gaskets valves fittingshellip) must meet the requirementsregardless of pressure And that the following components specified in theparagraph must meet the requirements ONLY if they contained pressure ndashhelliprdquoexpansion joints and strainers and devices such thathelliprdquo I further interpreted(2003 version) 30531 Material Specifications similarly in that the ldquoPipe valvesfaucets couplingshelliprdquo must meet the requirements regardless of pressure while ldquohellipother pressure-containing partshelliprdquo meant ONLY the other parts that containedpressure Verbatim to 30511 is encountered in 2008 NFPA 30A Chapter 5paragraph 51 Scope The owner states his piping complies with the standard cited because it is gravity-fed hence no ldquopressurerdquo is seen by the piping components I maintain that thepiping system shall consist of metal pipe (or another material meeting therequirements of ASME B31 as allowed by 2003 NFPA 30531) to comply with NFPA30 and IFC Some assistance to resolve this problem is greatly appreciated I have attachedsome photographs for clarification Thanks for your attentionEric

Eric ActonFire MarshalCampbell County Fire Department 106 Rohan Avenue Gillette WY 82716 (307) 682-5319 ext 8912(307) 686-2222 Fax(307) 680-9612 Cell

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From Benedetti BobTo Howard Jim (Woodbridge)Cc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiBcc May PaulSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Monday June 28 2010 115100 AM

Good morning Mr Howard First I appreciate your patience with me while I reviewed the information sent to meby yourself and Mr Luby of Veeder-Root I wanted to ensure that I thoroughlyunderstood how the system functions in its line leak detection mode My understanding of the arrangement of the piping system from the pair ofunderground storage tanks is that the electronic line leak detector the PLLD tests thesupply piping from the two submersible pumps to the dispensers as a single system This includes the direct piping run from the master pump to the dispensers AND thepiping that connects the slave pump to the direct piping run The intent of Subsection 642 of the 2008 edition of NFPA 30A Code for Motor FuelDispensing Facilities and Repair Garages is to ensure that some type of leak detectiondevice monitors the piping from the submersible pump to the dispensers in such amanner that a leak in the piping leading to the dispensers or in the dispensersthemselves is detected and notification of a leak given Since the two pumps act intandem and since the entire piping system from the pumps to the dispensers ismonitored my personal opinion is that the intent of Subsection 642 is met andevaluation of the system described as being equivalent to what is required bySubsection 642 is reasonable Whether the system described meets the criteria of Section 15 Equivalency of NFPA30A must be determined by the authority having jurisdiction As NFPA Staff Liaison forNFPA 30A I cannot make such a determination under NFPArsquos Regulations GoverningCommittee Projects Please understand that this response is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 ofNFPArsquos Regulations Governing Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon todefinitively determine compliance with any laws ordinances rules or regulations Todetermine legal compliance you should refer to the appropriate authority havingjurisdiction or seek legal advice It is not intended nor should it be relied upon toprovide professional consultation or services To determine the adequacy or safety ofany device or installation you should consult with an appropriate professional I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write Iwill be happy to assist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant toNFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does notnecessarily represent the official position of the NFPA or its Technical Committees Inaddition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it be relied upon to provideprofessional consultation or services cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids Engineer

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National Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

If you have a reported fire in your home the risk of dyingdecreases by about 80 percent when sprinklers are present

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From Howard Jim (Woodbridge) [mailtoJHowardhesscom] Sent Monday June 14 2010 1144 AMTo Benedetti BobCc Howard Jim (Woodbridge) Bob Luby Subject Importance High Bob It was a pleasure talking to you this morning regarding the Line Leak Detection applicationin place at Hess Station 08501 - Milltown DE (drawing attached) as well as several thousandlocations worldwide Here is some background information on this installation

Site had 3 - 10000 gallon gasoline tanks 1 - 10000 Regular (87) 1 - 10000 Plus (89) 1 - 10000 Premium (93) prior to our Dispenser Replacement Project Because of theoverwhelming demand for Regular gasoline (887 in 2009) we converted the existingPlus tank to additional Regular storageDispensers were replaced with new Blend Dispensers Tanks were not manifoldedRegular and former-Plus product lines were manifolded at each dispenserWe installed Veeder-Root PLLDs (Electronic Line Leak Detectors) on the Regular 1and Premium STPs We installed a non-vented Swift Check on Regular 2 (formerPlus) STP Because the PLLD is vented we MUST install a non-vented swift check onRegular STP 2 in order to test the system as a wholeWe have demonstrated via post-construction testing that the system will pick up a 3gph leak

The State of DE has questioned our compliance with NFPA 30A 642 Each pump shallhave installed on the discharge side a listed leak detection device that will provide an audibleor visible indication if the piping or a dispenser is leaking Each leak-detecting device shallbe checked and tested at least annually according to the manufacturers specifications toensure proper installation and operation

Can you comment on whether the system shown on the attached and described above and onour call meets the NFPA requirement or if it meets the definition of Equivalency as definedin Chapter 15 - Equivalency Thank you in advance for your consideration in this matter Please do not hesitate to contactme if there are any questions or concerns on this application ThanksJim Howard RFMPManager Maintenance amp UST ComplianceHess Corporation732-750-6220 (office)800-903-4801 (Emergency Hotline)E-mail UST Inspections to USTCompliancehesscomFax UST Inspections to 866-435-6744

This e-mail and any attachments are for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may containinformation that is confidential If you are not the intended recipient(s) and have received this e-mail in error please immediately notify the sender by return e-mail and delete this e-mail fromyour computer Any distribution disclosure or the taking of any other action by anyone other thanthe intended recipient(s) is strictly prohibited

From Benedetti BobTo Gary KostalCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiBcc May PaulSubject Inquiry NFPA 30 NFPA 30ADate Tuesday August 10 2010 43200 PM

Good afternoon Mr Kostal There are no provisions in NFPA 30 Flammable and Combustible Liquids Code togovern dispensing of motor fuels into motorized equipment and the devices youdescribe are not mentioned at all in NFPA 30 or in the only other related NFPAdocument that might apply NFPA 30A Code for Motor Fuel Dispensing Facilities andRepair Garages I cannot say that these units are either allowed or disallowed because neither NFPA30 nor NFPA 30A speaks about them The only provisions that might apply are the quantity limitations established in thesetwo codes depending on which code applies If the maintenance building is considered an industrial occupancy then Chapter 9 ofNFPA 30 establishes a maximum allowable quantity for of 120 gallons for Class Iliquids (The maximum allowable quantity is actually a threshold value Up to theMAQ compliance with NFPA 30 is not required above it NFPA 30 applies) If the maintenance building is considered a repair garage then NFPA 30A takesprecedence It also sets a 120 gallon limit on the maximum quantity of Class I liquid In both cases the quantity of fuel involved is 50 percent of the maximum allowed Myopinion is that there is no violation of either NFPA 30 or NFPA 30A Please understand that this response is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 ofNFPArsquos Regulations Governing Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon todefinitively determine compliance with any laws ordinances rules or regulations Todetermine legal compliance you should refer to the appropriate authority havingjurisdiction or seek legal advice It is not intended nor should it be relied upon toprovide professional consultation or services To determine the adequacy or safety ofany device or installation you should consult with an appropriate professional I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write Iwill be happy to assist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant toNFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does notnecessarily represent the official position of the NFPA or its Technical Committees Inaddition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it be relied upon to provideprofessional consultation or services cc 30IFI 30AIFI-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch Park

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Quincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg Important Notice This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPA RegulationsAny opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarily represent the officialposition of the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition this correspondence is neither intended norshould it be relied upon to provide professional consultation or services

Visit wwwfirepreventionweekorg or call 800-344-3555 for more information Check out FPW on social mediahellipwwwtwittercomfpw2010wwwfacebookcomfirepreventionweekhttpnfpatypepadcomfpw Check out NFPA onhellip

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From Gary Kostal [mailtogarykbloomingdalefirecom] Sent Monday August 09 2010 328 PMTo Benedetti BobSubject Looking for assistance - portable gas caddies Membership 2329840 Gary KostalFire Prevention DirectorBloomingdale Fire District Question (Non-formal opinion) I have a country club where they service a very large number of lawn maintenance equipment on a dailybasis They are utilizing a portable gas container (gas caddy) that holds approximately 30 gallons ofgasoline The unit is equipped with a hand style pump which is located on the top of the tank Fuel isdispensed from this tank as you crank the pump There are no nozzles located on the hose These gascaddies are being used inside their maintenance building which is fully fire sprinkled They are presentlyusing two of these devices inside the same building which is basically one days use

My question is are these devices allowed for this type of dispensing Are they required to be equippedwith a self closing nozzle What NFPA sections would apply to this particular type of device Thank you for your assistance in this matter

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From Benedetti BobTo SheldonSchallWisconsingovCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Wednesday September 30 2009 45929 PM

Good afternoon Sheldon I will here provide more detailed answers to your questions as posed in the email you sent to me today Section 30A-4323 limits tank storage capacity for Class I and II No limit for Class IIIA or IIIB

You are correct The intent of 4323 is to limit the capacities only of those tanks that storeClass I and II liquids Recall that when NFPA 30A initially allowed aboveground storage tanks atvehicle fueling sites biofuels were not in the picture just gasoline (Class I) and diesel fuel (ClassII) The Technical Committee at the time did not conceive that there would be the need to storeClass III fuels because there werenrsquot any The bottom line NFPA 30A does not limit the capacityof an aboveground storage tank that holds a motor fuel that is a Class III liquid

Section 30A-4324 refers to setbacks in Table 4324 No indication that these setbacks are specific toor exclude any class of flammable or combustible so it appears that the setbacks apply to Class I -Class IIIB liquids This table appears to conflict with the previous section for Class IIIA amp IIIB liquids

This is again correct that the separation distances in Table 4324 are not specific to anyparticular Class of liquid There is no conflict however 4323 deals with tank capacities 4324 deals with separation distances for the tanks Since 4324 does not specify anyparticular liquid class(es) it applies to ALL liquid classes

Section 30A-4325 allows an increased capacity for Class II and III liquids at fleet facilities Thisappears to conflict with section 4323 for Class III liquids which didnt have a capacity limit to startwith

Here there is a conflict or at least a serious inconsistency This provision was added one or twoeditions after 4323 and it appears that biofuels are beginning to be recognized It also appearsthat the intent here was to allow a relaxation of one limit in favor of a more liberal one Theproblem is the original limit doesnrsquot exist making it arguable that the application of 4325 toClass III liquids is meaningless Given the obvious intent here for some limit on Class III liquidfuels 4323 should be amended to include Class IIIs

Section 30A-4327 addresses dispensing from an aboveground tank for Class I and II liquids based uponspecific conditions

Paragraph 4322 is a hold-over dating back to when service stations were covered in Chapter 7of the old versions of NFPA 30 This set of requirements should also be amended to include ClassIIIs

Section 30A-4328 refers to NFPA 30-2171 for spill and overfill This section only applies to class Iand II liquids

While it is true that Subsection 2171 of NFPA 30 only applies to Classes I and II I do not believeit is a conflict for NFPA 30A to also apply it to Class III as well if the Technical Committee it isappropriate to do so However the language needs to be improved or an Annex item should beadded to explain the extrapolation and the reason for it

I will add this to the next meetingrsquos agenda for the Technical Committee on Automotive and MarineService Stations As usual the following applies Please understand that this response to your inquiry is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 of NFPArsquos RegulationsGoverning Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitively determine compliance with anylaws ordinances rules or regulations To determine the adequacy or safety of any device or installationyou should consult with an appropriate professional To determine legal compliance you should refer tothe appropriate authority having jurisdiction or seek legal advice

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I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will be happy toassist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarily represent the official positionof the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it berelied upon to provide professional consultation or services cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

Fire Prevention Week is October 4 ndash 10 2009 Visit wwwfirepreventionweekorg or call 800-344-3555 for moreinformation NFPA Seminars - Apply the codes with confidenceRegister at wwwnfpalearnorg NFPA Membership keeps you up-to-dateVisit wwwnfpaorgjoin for more information Or call 800-344-3555Notice The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for theexclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential andor privileged information If you are not the intendedrecipient please notify Robert Benedetti immediately by replying to the message or by calling (617) 984-7433 Please deletethis message and any attachments from your system Thank you Considering the variables in the sections referenced above are the setbacks in Table 4324 intended toapply to Class IIIA andor Class IIIB liquids for public fueling

From Schall Sheldon - COMMERCE [mailtoSheldonSchallWisconsingov] Sent Wednesday September 30 2009 832 AMTo Benedetti BobSubject NFPA 30A-4324 inquiry - URGENT Section 30A-4323 limits tank storage capacity for Class I and II No limit for Class IIIA or IIIB trueSection 30A-4324 refers to setbacks in Table 4324 No indication that these setbacks are specific toor exclude any class of flammable or combustible so it appears that the setbacks apply to Class I -Class IIIB liquids This table appears to conflict with the previous section for Class IIIA amp IIIB liquids Also trueSection 30A-4325 allows an increased capacity for Class II and III liquids at fleet facilities Thisappears to conflict with section 4323 for Class III liquids which didnt have a capacity limit to startwith Either one or the other needs to changeSection 30A-4327 addresses dispensing from an aboveground tank for Class I and II liquids based uponspecific conditions Need to cover IIIBSection 30A-4328 refers to NFPA 30-2171 for spill and overfill This section only applies to class Iand II liquids Class IIIs need to be specifically addressed Considering the variables in the sections referenced above are the setbacks in Table 4324 intended toapply to Class IIIA andor Class IIIB liquids for public fueling

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From Benedetti BobTo Bill HickmanCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Monday December 14 2009 50332 PM

Good afternoon Mr Hickman To answer your question the separation distances in Table 4324 of NFPA 30A Code for MotorFuel Dispensing Facilities and Repair Garages are intended to apply to outside abovegroundstorage tanks for fuel where such is allowed The tanks inside a service station building majorrepair garage or minor repair garage would likely be handling Class IIIB liquids (flash point gt200 degF) only in accordance with Subsection 4392 of NFPA 30A Subsection 4392 does not set any specific requirements for separation between tanks inside abuilding although it does refer back to Chapters 21 through 23 of NFPA 30 Flammable andCombustible Liquids Code Shell-to-shell spacing distances for aboveground tanks areestablished in Table 22421 Table 22421 is intended for much large tanks than one wouldfind in a repair garage or ldquolube-onlyrdquo facility For example the minimum separation for tanksstoring Class IIIB liquids is 3 feet as set forth in 224212 But again the separationdistances in Chapter 22 of NFPA 30 are intended for tank farm application not for the muchsmaller tanks found in the type of occupancy governed by NFPA 30A Also any facility meeting the requirements of NFPA 30A is considered to be in compliance withNFPA 30 Please understand that this response to your inquiry is a personal opinion and does notconstitute a Formal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 ofNFPArsquos Regulations Governing Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitivelydetermine compliance with any laws ordinances rules or regulations To determine theadequacy or safety of any device or installation you should consult with an appropriateprofessional To determine legal compliance you should refer to the appropriate authorityhaving jurisdiction or seek legal advice I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will behappy to assist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPARegulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarilyrepresent the official position of the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition thiscorrespondence is neither intended nor should it be relied upon to provide professional consultation orservices cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg If you have a reported fire in your home the risk of dyingdecreases by about 80 percent when sprinklers are present

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From Bill Hickman [mailtoBillHickmanstatecous] Sent Tuesday December 01 2009 939 AMTo Benedetti BobSubject Inquiry NFPA 30A - Storage of Liquids Inside Buildings Mr Benedetti Id appreciate your interpretation on an item regarding aboveground tanks storing lubricants (newused oil) inside abuilding at a repair garage NFPA 30A 439 does not include specific spacing requirements for tanks inside buildings Where there are multiple tanks being stored inside the building is there no minimum separation distance requirementthat must be met or do the requirements of Table 4324 apply Thank you in advance for your assistance __________________________________ Bill HickmanInspectorTechnical SpecialistCO Division of Oil amp Public Safety303-378-5090

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From Benedetti BobTo Peznowski EdwardCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Thursday September 03 2009 30455 PM

Hi Ed The 1996 edition of the Flammable and Combustible Liquids Code Handbook was the last one prior to thecurrent 2008 edition The commentary hasnrsquot changed My recollection of the development of this text is that the intent of NFPA 30A Code for Motor FuelDispensing Facilities and Repair Garages is to isolate the motor fuel dispensing area and its attendanthazard completely from the rest of the structure regardless of what else might be in the structure Subsection 524 assumes that the installation involves a motor fuel dispensing operation inside abuilding where you would not expect to have same such as an office building A bus repair facility wouldbe probably classed as a major repair garage and would be expected to have fueling operations Thehazard of this is in my opinion no greater than the repair operations It could be that the language in Subsection 524 needs to be clarified so that it applies only to situationssuch as I first described Please understand that this response to your inquiry is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 of NFPArsquos RegulationsGoverning Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitively determine compliance with anylaws ordinances rules or regulations To determine the adequacy or safety of any device or installationyou should consult with an appropriate professional To determine legal compliance you should refer tothe appropriate authority having jurisdiction or seek legal advice I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will be happy toassist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarily represent the official positionof the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it berelied upon to provide professional consultation or services cc 30AIFI 30AFAQ AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

Fire Prevention Week is October 4 ndash 10 2009 Visit wwwfirepreventionweekorg or call 800-344-3555 for moreinformation NFPA Seminars - Apply the codes with confidenceRegister at wwwnfpalearnorg NFPA Membership keeps you up-to-dateVisit wwwnfpaorgjoin for more information Or call 800-344-3555Notice The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for the

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exclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential andor privileged information If you are not the intendedrecipient please notify Robert Benedetti immediately by replying to the message or by calling (617) 984-7433 Please deletethis message and any attachments from your system Thank you

From Peznowski Edward [mailtoEdwardPeznowskipostatectus] Sent Monday August 31 2009 127 PMTo Benedetti BobSubject NFPA 30A Hi Bob Sorry to bother you but I need your help and interpretation of the following section of NFPA 30A 2000edition 524 - All piping inside buildings but outside the motor fuel dispensing area shall be enclosed within ahorizontal chase or a vertical shaft used only for this piping Vertical shafts and horizontal chases shall beconstructed of materials having a fire resistance rating of not less than 2 hours Bob I have a bus repair facility being built and we have fuel dispensing area within the building enclosedwith a 2hr fire resistive separation My question is I have diesel fuel piping coming from two tanks locatedoutside of the building the piping runs outside of the dispensing area does this piping need to be enclosed Ihave the proper UL listed system for through wall penetrations My problem lies here I have natural gas heating fuel oil lines for boilers and diesel fuel line for thegenerator all running through the area outside the 2 hour rated dispensing area which are not required to beenclosed My thought is within the 2 hour fire resistive construction I have storage rooms for grease and oil a office forfuel dispensing Any fuel piping running through these areas would be enclosed but once I go outside my 2hrrated enclosure the piping would not have to be enclosed NFPA 30A (1996edition)6-42 - All fuel and flammable vapor piping inside buildings but outside the service station area shall beenclosed within a horizontal chase or a vertical shaft used only for this piping Vertical shafts and horizontalchases shall be constructed of materials having a fire resistance rating of not less than 2 hoursCOMMENTARY 6-42 The intent of this requirement is to preserve the isolation of the service stationoperation from the rest of the building I donrsquot have the 2000 handbook for commentary Thanks Bob Edward J PeznowskiFire amp Life Safety SpecialistBureau of EngineeringOffice State Fire Marshal860-685-8350

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From Benedetti BobTo Hamilton James P (HOY)Cc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiSubject Inquiry NFPA 30A-2008Date Monday September 14 2009 115041 AM

Good morning Mr Hamilton The intent of this particular provision of Subsection 672 of NFPA 30A Code for Motor Fuel DispensingFacilities and Repair Garages is to ensure that the patron has access to a second disconnect if he or shecannot reach the primary disconnect ie the one that is between 20 and 100 feet from the dispenser In my opinion all of the emergency disconnects required by Section 67 must be at least 20 ft but normore than 100 ft from the nearest dispenser Please understand that this response to your inquiry is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 of NFPArsquos RegulationsGoverning Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitively determine compliance with anylaws ordinances rules or regulations To determine the adequacy or safety of any device or installationyou should consult with an appropriate professional To determine legal compliance you should refer tothe appropriate authority having jurisdiction or seek legal advice I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will be happy toassist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarily represent the official positionof the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it berelied upon to provide professional consultation or services cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

Fire Prevention Week is October 4 ndash 10 2009 Visit wwwfirepreventionweekorg or call 800-344-3555 for moreinformation NFPA Seminars - Apply the codes with confidenceRegister at wwwnfpalearnorg NFPA Membership keeps you up-to-dateVisit wwwnfpaorgjoin for more information Or call 800-344-3555Notice The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for theexclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential andor privileged information If you are not the intendedrecipient please notify Robert Benedetti immediately by replying to the message or by calling (617) 984-7433 Please deletethis message and any attachments from your system Thank you

From Hamilton James P (HOY) [mailtoHAMILTONJPbechteljacobsorg] Sent Thursday September 10 2009 1224 PMTo Benedetti BobSubject NFPA 30A 2008 Edition

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Importance High

NFPA 30A 672 states at least one additional device or disconnect shall be readily accessible toeach group of dispensing devices on an individual island Our installation does not have islands Should the second emergency shutoff be installed close to the pumps or between 20 and 100 ofthe pumps

Please respond back via email hamiltonjpbechteljacobsorg

Thanks

NFPA 127130 James P Hamilton CFPSTetraTek Inc - Fire Safety TechnologiesFire Protection LeadK-27 Pre-Demo Project 790 Emory Valley Rd 811 Oak Ridge TN 37830 ETTP Office 865-241-1902

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From Benedetti BobTo Scott DavonskiCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Tuesday August 04 2009 92429 AM

Good morning Mr Davonski My opinion is that the intent of the requirement in Subsection 1141 of NFPA 30A Code for Motor FuelDispensing Facilities and Repair Garages is that any hose longer than 18 feet should not simply bestrung along the dockrsquos surface Using a reel would be one means of securing the hose although Irsquomsure other methods such as hangers would work as well Please understand that this response to your inquiry is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 of NFPArsquos RegulationsGoverning Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitively determine compliance with anylaws ordinances rules or regulations To determine the adequacy or safety of any device or installationyou should consult with an appropriate professional To determine legal compliance you should refer tothe appropriate authority having jurisdiction or seek legal advice I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will be happy toassist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarily represent the official positionof the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it berelied upon to provide professional consultation or services cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

Fire Prevention Week is October 4 ndash 10 2009 Visit wwwfirepreventionweekorg or call 800-344-3555 for moreinformation NFPA Seminars - Apply the codes with confidenceRegister at wwwnfpalearnorg NFPA Membership keeps you up-to-dateVisit wwwnfpaorgjoin for more information Or call 800-344-3555Notice The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for theexclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential andor privileged information If you are not the intendedrecipient please notify Robert Benedetti immediately by replying to the message or by calling (617) 984-7433 Please deletethis message and any attachments from your system Thank you

From Scott Davonski [mailtodavonskiRiverheadlicom] Sent Wednesday July 22 2009 1118 AMTo Benedetti BobSubject 30A clarification

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1141 All hose shall be listed Where hose length exceeds 55 m (18 ft) the hose shall besecured so as to protect it from damage Can you provide clarification as to what is meant by ldquosecured so as to protect it fromdamagerdquo Is the standard looking not to have the hoses on the dock In a reel Any clarificationinformation would be appreciated Scott W DavonskiChief Fire MarshalTown of RiverheadP- 631-727-3200 ext 209F- 631-727-3370

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Page 27: TECHNICAL COMMITTEE ON AUTOMOTIVE and MARINE … · SUBJECT: Agenda for ROC Meeting – October 4, 2010 _____ Ladies and Gentlemen: Attached is the Agenda for the NFPA 30A Report

Report on Comments ndash June 2011 NFPA 30A_______________________________________________________________________________________________30A- Log 7

_______________________________________________________________________________________________Robert Bourke Northeastern Regional Fire Code Development Committee

30A-19Add a new section to read 11721 Where approved by the Authority Having Jurisdiction piers

that extend more than 152 m (500 ft) in travel distance from shore shall be permitted to provide a Class I standpipe thatis installed in accordance with NFPA 14 Standard for the Installation of Standpipe and Hose Systems

The TC missed the point in the substantiation of the proposalIt was not the intent of the proposal to obtain additional flexibility of FD use over that which is provided by a Class III

standpipe system The intent of the proposal was to provide relief from the requirement where the local AHJ feels thatthe effectiveness and likelihood of occupant use of fire hoses does not justify the added risk to the occupant or theinstallation and maintenance costs associated with the requisite hose for a Class III system A Class I system would stillprovide FD fire fighting capabilities in jurisdictions where the AHJ prefers occupants to evacuate and not attempt to fightfires beyond portable fire extinguisher capability

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From Benedetti BobTo bcotnerswriorgCc Harrington Greg Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiBcc May PaulSubject Inquiry NFPA 30 amp NFPA 30ADate Thursday July 08 2010 121900 PM

Good Morning Mr Cotner Greg Harrington asked that I respond to your question about the proper use ofintermediate bulk containers Actually an intermediate bulk container is a shipping vessel that must meetrequirements and specifications of the U S Department of Transportation for shippingmaterials from Point A to Point B It is not intended to be a storage vessel althoughthe liquid contained is obviously dispensed from the vessel for use Dispensing of motor fuels is covered by NFPA 30A Code for Motor Fuel DispensingFacilities and Repair Garages NFPA 30A states in Subsection 421 421 Liquids shall be stored in the following(1) Approved closed containers that do not exceed 227 L (60 gal) capacity and arelocated outside buildings(2) Tanks or approved closed containers located inside motor fuel dispensingfacilities or repair garages(3) Aboveground tanks underground tanks and containers in accordance with therequirements of Section 43(4) Tanks supplying marine service stations in accordance with Section 112 Section 43 states the following 432 Aboveground Storage Tanks Except as modified by the provisions of thissubsection aboveground storage tanks shall meet all applicable requirements ofChapters 21 through 23 and 27 of NFPA 30 Flammable and Combustible Liquids Code So in accordance with NFPA 30A Subsection 421(3) indicates that abovegroundstorage of motor fuel must be in a tank that meets the provisions of Section 43 Thelatter in turn references the Chapters in NFPA 30 that deal with fixed storage tanks Nowhere in these chapters is there any reference to an intermediate bulk container Chapter 9 of NFPA 30 does recognize an intermediate bulk container for warehouse-type storage of Class I flammable liquids but does not anticipate continual dispensingand use One could evaluate an intermediate bulk container as a means of long-term storageand dispensing of liquids under the Equivalency clause My opinion is that an intermediate bulk container is not considered a substitute for anaboveground storage tank but this is not specifically stated in the relevant codes This issue will be added to the agendas for the Technical Committees involved Please understand that this response is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 ofNFPArsquos Regulations Governing Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon todefinitively determine compliance with any laws ordinances rules or regulations Todetermine legal compliance you should refer to the appropriate authority havingjurisdiction or seek legal advice It is not intended nor should it be relied upon toprovide professional consultation or services To determine the adequacy or safety ofany device or installation you should consult with an appropriate professional

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I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write Iwill be happy to assist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant toNFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does notnecessarily represent the official position of the NFPA or its Technical Committees Inaddition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it be relied upon to provideprofessional consultation or services cc 30IFI 30AIFI AUVNM FLCSWCNM FLCTANNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

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From Harrington Greg Sent Wednesday July 07 2010 350 PMTo Benedetti BobSubject FW Intermediate Bulk Containers Hi Bob Can you answer the question below Hersquos a friend of mine former inspector with San Antonio FD when Iworked down there now a safety guy at SWRI Thanks a lot --Greg

From Bill Cotner [mailtobcotnerswriorg] Sent Wednesday July 07 2010 332 PMTo Harrington GregSubject Intermediate Bulk Containers Hey Greg howrsquos the heat in Boston here it is a balmy 93 enjoying it I have a question probably out ofyour area but Irsquom sure you know who to route it to We have a group here that wants to dispense fuelfrom a stainless steel IBC into test engines I donrsquot think that is the intended use or what it has beenlisted for Can I get some guidance on this issue I appreciate anything you can do for me Bill Bill CotnerSenior Fire SpecialistEnvironmental Safety and Quality SystemsSouthwest Research InstitutePhone (210) 522-5101Fax (210) 522-5093Mobile (210) 669-7005Email bcotner swriorg

From Benedetti BobTo Ebanks DesmondCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiBcc May PaulSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Monday June 14 2010 35400 PM

Good afternoon Mr Ebanks The intent of Subsection 422 of NFPA 30A Code for Motor Fuel Dispensing Facilities and RepairGarages is that there be no direct piped connection between the aboveground storage tank inthe bulk plant and the fuel dispensing device in the motor fuel dispensing facility In my opinionthis includes any intervening underground storage tank The hazard being addressed is the potential to overfill the underground storage tank due to thestatic head of the liquid in the aboveground storage tank Please understand that this response is a personal opinion and does not constitute a FormalInterpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 of NFPArsquos RegulationsGoverning Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitively determine compliancewith any laws ordinances rules or regulations To determine legal compliance you shouldrefer to the appropriate authority having jurisdiction or seek legal advice It is not intended norshould it be relied upon to provide professional consultation or services To determine theadequacy or safety of any device or installation you should consult with an appropriateprofessional I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will behappy to assist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPARegulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarilyrepresent the official position of the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition thiscorrespondence is neither intended nor should it be relied upon to provide professional consultation orservices cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg Attend the premier event for fire life safety and electrical professionals

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From Ebanks Desmond [mailtoDesmondEbanksgovky] Sent Monday May 24 2010 940 AMTo Benedetti BobSubject bulk storage supply to motor fuel facilities Hi Bob NFPA 30A (2003) 422 gives to positions in relation to motor fuel dispensing facilities (mfdf) that I would like to havefurther clarified for Code intent please The first is that dispensing devices at the mfdf shall not be supplied by ASTs located in the bulk plant Does this implythat supply from a UST (underground storage tank) in the bulk storage facility would be acceptable or to the other extentthat even if the bulk AST supplied a loading rack which in turn supplied a UST both in the bulk facility that supplyfrom the bulk AST is still not permitted The second statement refers to any storage tank at the mfdf saying they shall not be connected by piping to bulkfacility ASTs Similarly does this imply that a UST (underground storage tank) in the bulk storage facility would beacceptable or that if the bulk tank was connected to a loading rack and the loading rack connected by non-permanentmeans to an mfdf tank that this would be permissible RegardsDes EbanksAssistant Petroleum InspectorThe Petroleum InspectorateCayman Islands GovernmentAnderson Square 4th floorPO Box 31213Grand CaymanKY1-1205Cayman IslandsOffice 345 244 3458Mobile 345 925 3317Fax 345 949 0920Email desmondebanksgovky

From Benedetti BobTo Shriniwas BodhankarCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiBcc May PaulSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Monday June 14 2010 50100 PM

Good day Sir There has been no discussion by the Technical Committee on Automotive and Marine ServiceStations to alter the separation distances in Table 4324 of NFPA 30A Code for Motor FuelDispensing Facilities and Repair Garages as they pertain to liquid fuels including high flashpoint diesel fuels Also there have been no proposals to make such a change to NFPA 30A I trust this answers your question R P Benedetti cc -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

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From Shriniwas Bodhankar [mailtobodhankarenoccom] Sent Tuesday June 01 2010 536 AMTo Maynard Mary Benedetti BobSubject NFPA 30 A Dear sir Reference is made to table no 4324 of NFPA code 30A specifying the minimum distance between storagetanks and dispensing equipment A dispenser should be placed minimum 50 feet away from a bunded abovegroundsteel tank to meet this requirementIn our opinion this is too stringent and uncalled for in case of high flash diesel ( Flash point above 65 degreecentigrade) A bunded tank where spill can be contained within bund is as safe as a vaulted tankfire resistanttankprotected tank Therefore it is equally safe to install an approved dispensing device immediately outside thebund provided the vent of the tank is 4 meters above the grade level on which the dispensing device is installedVarious international oil companies like SHELL amp BP carry similar installations for their fleet customers of dieselMoreover there are standard skids being marketed in EUROPE (even for gasoline) which have storage tanks and

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dispensers on same skid and such an arrangement is accepted by ldquoAuthority Having Jurisdictionrdquo(AHJ)Kindly advise if this standard requirement is being reviewed or otherwise if based on performance based designsuch a requirement may be waived or considered as ldquo highly recommendedrdquo in the leastBased on your feedback we wish to discuss this with AHJ in UAE Regards Regards Shriniwas BodhankarSenior EHS Compliance Officer( Special Projects)Group EHSQ Compliance DepartmentEmirates National Oil Company Limited (ENOC) LLC ENOC House I PO Box 6442Dubai United Arab EmiratesDirect +971 4 313 4437Fax +971 4 313 4482bodhankarenoccom | wwwenoccom

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From Benedetti BobTo EActonccfireusCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiBcc May PaulSubject Inquiry NFPA 30A amp NFPA 30Date Monday August 02 2010 44400 PMAttachments DSC06169JPG

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Good day Mr Acton Fire protection provisions for major and minor repair garages and ldquolube-onlyrdquofacilities which is the topic of your concern are provided in NFPA 30A Code for MotorFuel Dispensing Facilities and Repair Garages currently 2008 edition Chapter 5 ofNFPA 30A covers piping systems but its specific provisions focus on piping systemsbetween fuel storage tanks and fuel dispensers Chapter 5 also directly referencesChapter 27 of the 2008 edition of NFPA 30 Flammable and Combustible Liquids Code(successor to Chapter 5 of the 2003 edition) Subsection 527 of NFPA 30A allows piping made from low-melting point materials tobe installed in exposed areas but only in specific locations These are limited tocontainment sumps under dispensers containment sumps for underground fuelstorage tanks and sumps for below-grade piping connections Chapter 5 of NFPA 30Ais silent on piping inside buildings Therefore the user is left with the provisions ofChapter 27 of NFPA 30 NFPA 30 in turn does allow piping fabricated of low melting point materials to beused exposed outdoors or inside buildings with the following provisions ldquo27441 Such materials shall be permitted to be used outdoors above ground orinside buildings provided they meet one of the following conditions (1) They are resistant to damage by fire(2) They are located so that any leakage resulting from failure will not exposepersons important buildings or structures(3) They are located where leakage can be controlled by operation of one or moreaccessible remotely located valvesrdquo Regardless of the material of construction of the piping and components the followinggeneral requirement from Chapter 27 of NFPA 30 always applies ldquo273 General Requirements2731 Performance Standards The design fabrication assembly test and inspectionof piping systems shall be suitable for the working pressures and structural stresses tobe encountered by the piping system Compliance with applicable sections of ASMEB31 Code for Pressure Piping and the provisions of this chapter shall be consideredprima facie evidence of compliance with the foregoing provisions2732 Tightness of Piping Piping systems shall be maintained liquidtight A pipingsystem that has leaks that constitute a hazard shall be emptied of liquid or repaired ina manner acceptable to the authority having jurisdictionrdquo Your interpretation of Subsection 511 of the 2003 edition of NFPA 30 (2711 in the2008 edition) is correct the chapter applies to any piping system that handles aflammable or combustible liquid regardless of pressure Likewise you are correct thatthe piping system must meet the provisions of ASME B31 for the material chosen andthe anticipated operating pressures and temperatures (531 in the 2003 edition 2741 in the 2008 edition) However low melting point materials (aluminum copperbrass and polymeric materials) are allowed under the provisions of Subsection 534(2003 edition) and 2744 (2008 edition) What must be determined is does thepiping system comply with one of the conditions stated in 27441 as stated above

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Please understand that this response is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 ofNFPArsquos Regulations Governing Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon todefinitively determine compliance with any laws ordinances rules or regulations Todetermine legal compliance you should refer to the appropriate authority havingjurisdiction or seek legal advice It is not intended nor should it be relied upon toprovide professional consultation or services To determine the adequacy or safety ofany device or installation you should consult with an appropriate professional I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write Iwill be happy to assist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant toNFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does notnecessarily represent the official position of the NFPA or its Technical Committees Inaddition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it be relied upon to provideprofessional consultation or services cc 30IFI 30AIFI AUVNM FLCTANNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

If you have a reported fire in your home the risk of dyingdecreases by about 80 percent when sprinklers are present

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From Eric Acton [mailtoEActonccfireus] Sent Monday July 19 2010 636 PMTo Benedetti BobSubject InterpretationOpinion request

Good day My name is Eric Acton I am the Fire Marshal for Campbell CountyWyoming and Irsquom employed by Campbell County Fire Department My NFPA

membership number is 2755369 My mailing and email addresses are listed below I am in need of a technical opinion regarding 2003 NFPA 30 Chapter 5 or morecurrently 2008 NFPA 30A Chapter 5 Some brief project backgroundAn owner within my jurisdiction has built a commercial lube-oil center to servicecustomersrsquo vehicles A ldquopitrdquo exists below the service bay to allow workers to drainthe oil from the vehicle then workers on the main floor refill the oil by use ofpressurized nozzles Several motor oil storage tanks are located in the pitaccounting for several brands and viscosities of oil The tanks are designed to befilled by use of a piping system which extends from an exterior connection vault toeach of the storage tanks using gravity to move the product in the fill-pipingsystem The material the owner chose to construct the fill-piping system wasldquostandardrdquo 1-12rdquo Schedule 40 PVC and Parker Series 7094 Electrically Non-Conductive rubber hose The piping system is exposed it is not underground nor isit protected from flame by means of a fire-rated chase Having identified the use of combustible liquids in this occupancy I utilized 2006International Fire Code (as adopted by my jurisdiction) Chapter 34 Flammable andCombustible Liquids to review and inspect the project IFC Section 340362referred me to NFPA 30 Chapter 5 for the construction materials to use where Iinterpreted (2003 version) 30511 to mean that the piping system components (pipetubing flanges bolting gaskets valves fittingshellip) must meet the requirementsregardless of pressure And that the following components specified in theparagraph must meet the requirements ONLY if they contained pressure ndashhelliprdquoexpansion joints and strainers and devices such thathelliprdquo I further interpreted(2003 version) 30531 Material Specifications similarly in that the ldquoPipe valvesfaucets couplingshelliprdquo must meet the requirements regardless of pressure while ldquohellipother pressure-containing partshelliprdquo meant ONLY the other parts that containedpressure Verbatim to 30511 is encountered in 2008 NFPA 30A Chapter 5paragraph 51 Scope The owner states his piping complies with the standard cited because it is gravity-fed hence no ldquopressurerdquo is seen by the piping components I maintain that thepiping system shall consist of metal pipe (or another material meeting therequirements of ASME B31 as allowed by 2003 NFPA 30531) to comply with NFPA30 and IFC Some assistance to resolve this problem is greatly appreciated I have attachedsome photographs for clarification Thanks for your attentionEric

Eric ActonFire MarshalCampbell County Fire Department 106 Rohan Avenue Gillette WY 82716 (307) 682-5319 ext 8912(307) 686-2222 Fax(307) 680-9612 Cell

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From Benedetti BobTo Howard Jim (Woodbridge)Cc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiBcc May PaulSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Monday June 28 2010 115100 AM

Good morning Mr Howard First I appreciate your patience with me while I reviewed the information sent to meby yourself and Mr Luby of Veeder-Root I wanted to ensure that I thoroughlyunderstood how the system functions in its line leak detection mode My understanding of the arrangement of the piping system from the pair ofunderground storage tanks is that the electronic line leak detector the PLLD tests thesupply piping from the two submersible pumps to the dispensers as a single system This includes the direct piping run from the master pump to the dispensers AND thepiping that connects the slave pump to the direct piping run The intent of Subsection 642 of the 2008 edition of NFPA 30A Code for Motor FuelDispensing Facilities and Repair Garages is to ensure that some type of leak detectiondevice monitors the piping from the submersible pump to the dispensers in such amanner that a leak in the piping leading to the dispensers or in the dispensersthemselves is detected and notification of a leak given Since the two pumps act intandem and since the entire piping system from the pumps to the dispensers ismonitored my personal opinion is that the intent of Subsection 642 is met andevaluation of the system described as being equivalent to what is required bySubsection 642 is reasonable Whether the system described meets the criteria of Section 15 Equivalency of NFPA30A must be determined by the authority having jurisdiction As NFPA Staff Liaison forNFPA 30A I cannot make such a determination under NFPArsquos Regulations GoverningCommittee Projects Please understand that this response is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 ofNFPArsquos Regulations Governing Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon todefinitively determine compliance with any laws ordinances rules or regulations Todetermine legal compliance you should refer to the appropriate authority havingjurisdiction or seek legal advice It is not intended nor should it be relied upon toprovide professional consultation or services To determine the adequacy or safety ofany device or installation you should consult with an appropriate professional I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write Iwill be happy to assist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant toNFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does notnecessarily represent the official position of the NFPA or its Technical Committees Inaddition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it be relied upon to provideprofessional consultation or services cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids Engineer

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National Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

If you have a reported fire in your home the risk of dyingdecreases by about 80 percent when sprinklers are present

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From Howard Jim (Woodbridge) [mailtoJHowardhesscom] Sent Monday June 14 2010 1144 AMTo Benedetti BobCc Howard Jim (Woodbridge) Bob Luby Subject Importance High Bob It was a pleasure talking to you this morning regarding the Line Leak Detection applicationin place at Hess Station 08501 - Milltown DE (drawing attached) as well as several thousandlocations worldwide Here is some background information on this installation

Site had 3 - 10000 gallon gasoline tanks 1 - 10000 Regular (87) 1 - 10000 Plus (89) 1 - 10000 Premium (93) prior to our Dispenser Replacement Project Because of theoverwhelming demand for Regular gasoline (887 in 2009) we converted the existingPlus tank to additional Regular storageDispensers were replaced with new Blend Dispensers Tanks were not manifoldedRegular and former-Plus product lines were manifolded at each dispenserWe installed Veeder-Root PLLDs (Electronic Line Leak Detectors) on the Regular 1and Premium STPs We installed a non-vented Swift Check on Regular 2 (formerPlus) STP Because the PLLD is vented we MUST install a non-vented swift check onRegular STP 2 in order to test the system as a wholeWe have demonstrated via post-construction testing that the system will pick up a 3gph leak

The State of DE has questioned our compliance with NFPA 30A 642 Each pump shallhave installed on the discharge side a listed leak detection device that will provide an audibleor visible indication if the piping or a dispenser is leaking Each leak-detecting device shallbe checked and tested at least annually according to the manufacturers specifications toensure proper installation and operation

Can you comment on whether the system shown on the attached and described above and onour call meets the NFPA requirement or if it meets the definition of Equivalency as definedin Chapter 15 - Equivalency Thank you in advance for your consideration in this matter Please do not hesitate to contactme if there are any questions or concerns on this application ThanksJim Howard RFMPManager Maintenance amp UST ComplianceHess Corporation732-750-6220 (office)800-903-4801 (Emergency Hotline)E-mail UST Inspections to USTCompliancehesscomFax UST Inspections to 866-435-6744

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From Benedetti BobTo Gary KostalCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiBcc May PaulSubject Inquiry NFPA 30 NFPA 30ADate Tuesday August 10 2010 43200 PM

Good afternoon Mr Kostal There are no provisions in NFPA 30 Flammable and Combustible Liquids Code togovern dispensing of motor fuels into motorized equipment and the devices youdescribe are not mentioned at all in NFPA 30 or in the only other related NFPAdocument that might apply NFPA 30A Code for Motor Fuel Dispensing Facilities andRepair Garages I cannot say that these units are either allowed or disallowed because neither NFPA30 nor NFPA 30A speaks about them The only provisions that might apply are the quantity limitations established in thesetwo codes depending on which code applies If the maintenance building is considered an industrial occupancy then Chapter 9 ofNFPA 30 establishes a maximum allowable quantity for of 120 gallons for Class Iliquids (The maximum allowable quantity is actually a threshold value Up to theMAQ compliance with NFPA 30 is not required above it NFPA 30 applies) If the maintenance building is considered a repair garage then NFPA 30A takesprecedence It also sets a 120 gallon limit on the maximum quantity of Class I liquid In both cases the quantity of fuel involved is 50 percent of the maximum allowed Myopinion is that there is no violation of either NFPA 30 or NFPA 30A Please understand that this response is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 ofNFPArsquos Regulations Governing Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon todefinitively determine compliance with any laws ordinances rules or regulations Todetermine legal compliance you should refer to the appropriate authority havingjurisdiction or seek legal advice It is not intended nor should it be relied upon toprovide professional consultation or services To determine the adequacy or safety ofany device or installation you should consult with an appropriate professional I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write Iwill be happy to assist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant toNFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does notnecessarily represent the official position of the NFPA or its Technical Committees Inaddition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it be relied upon to provideprofessional consultation or services cc 30IFI 30AIFI-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch Park

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Quincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg Important Notice This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPA RegulationsAny opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarily represent the officialposition of the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition this correspondence is neither intended norshould it be relied upon to provide professional consultation or services

Visit wwwfirepreventionweekorg or call 800-344-3555 for more information Check out FPW on social mediahellipwwwtwittercomfpw2010wwwfacebookcomfirepreventionweekhttpnfpatypepadcomfpw Check out NFPA onhellip

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From Gary Kostal [mailtogarykbloomingdalefirecom] Sent Monday August 09 2010 328 PMTo Benedetti BobSubject Looking for assistance - portable gas caddies Membership 2329840 Gary KostalFire Prevention DirectorBloomingdale Fire District Question (Non-formal opinion) I have a country club where they service a very large number of lawn maintenance equipment on a dailybasis They are utilizing a portable gas container (gas caddy) that holds approximately 30 gallons ofgasoline The unit is equipped with a hand style pump which is located on the top of the tank Fuel isdispensed from this tank as you crank the pump There are no nozzles located on the hose These gascaddies are being used inside their maintenance building which is fully fire sprinkled They are presentlyusing two of these devices inside the same building which is basically one days use

My question is are these devices allowed for this type of dispensing Are they required to be equippedwith a self closing nozzle What NFPA sections would apply to this particular type of device Thank you for your assistance in this matter

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From Benedetti BobTo SheldonSchallWisconsingovCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Wednesday September 30 2009 45929 PM

Good afternoon Sheldon I will here provide more detailed answers to your questions as posed in the email you sent to me today Section 30A-4323 limits tank storage capacity for Class I and II No limit for Class IIIA or IIIB

You are correct The intent of 4323 is to limit the capacities only of those tanks that storeClass I and II liquids Recall that when NFPA 30A initially allowed aboveground storage tanks atvehicle fueling sites biofuels were not in the picture just gasoline (Class I) and diesel fuel (ClassII) The Technical Committee at the time did not conceive that there would be the need to storeClass III fuels because there werenrsquot any The bottom line NFPA 30A does not limit the capacityof an aboveground storage tank that holds a motor fuel that is a Class III liquid

Section 30A-4324 refers to setbacks in Table 4324 No indication that these setbacks are specific toor exclude any class of flammable or combustible so it appears that the setbacks apply to Class I -Class IIIB liquids This table appears to conflict with the previous section for Class IIIA amp IIIB liquids

This is again correct that the separation distances in Table 4324 are not specific to anyparticular Class of liquid There is no conflict however 4323 deals with tank capacities 4324 deals with separation distances for the tanks Since 4324 does not specify anyparticular liquid class(es) it applies to ALL liquid classes

Section 30A-4325 allows an increased capacity for Class II and III liquids at fleet facilities Thisappears to conflict with section 4323 for Class III liquids which didnt have a capacity limit to startwith

Here there is a conflict or at least a serious inconsistency This provision was added one or twoeditions after 4323 and it appears that biofuels are beginning to be recognized It also appearsthat the intent here was to allow a relaxation of one limit in favor of a more liberal one Theproblem is the original limit doesnrsquot exist making it arguable that the application of 4325 toClass III liquids is meaningless Given the obvious intent here for some limit on Class III liquidfuels 4323 should be amended to include Class IIIs

Section 30A-4327 addresses dispensing from an aboveground tank for Class I and II liquids based uponspecific conditions

Paragraph 4322 is a hold-over dating back to when service stations were covered in Chapter 7of the old versions of NFPA 30 This set of requirements should also be amended to include ClassIIIs

Section 30A-4328 refers to NFPA 30-2171 for spill and overfill This section only applies to class Iand II liquids

While it is true that Subsection 2171 of NFPA 30 only applies to Classes I and II I do not believeit is a conflict for NFPA 30A to also apply it to Class III as well if the Technical Committee it isappropriate to do so However the language needs to be improved or an Annex item should beadded to explain the extrapolation and the reason for it

I will add this to the next meetingrsquos agenda for the Technical Committee on Automotive and MarineService Stations As usual the following applies Please understand that this response to your inquiry is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 of NFPArsquos RegulationsGoverning Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitively determine compliance with anylaws ordinances rules or regulations To determine the adequacy or safety of any device or installationyou should consult with an appropriate professional To determine legal compliance you should refer tothe appropriate authority having jurisdiction or seek legal advice

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I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will be happy toassist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarily represent the official positionof the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it berelied upon to provide professional consultation or services cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

Fire Prevention Week is October 4 ndash 10 2009 Visit wwwfirepreventionweekorg or call 800-344-3555 for moreinformation NFPA Seminars - Apply the codes with confidenceRegister at wwwnfpalearnorg NFPA Membership keeps you up-to-dateVisit wwwnfpaorgjoin for more information Or call 800-344-3555Notice The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for theexclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential andor privileged information If you are not the intendedrecipient please notify Robert Benedetti immediately by replying to the message or by calling (617) 984-7433 Please deletethis message and any attachments from your system Thank you Considering the variables in the sections referenced above are the setbacks in Table 4324 intended toapply to Class IIIA andor Class IIIB liquids for public fueling

From Schall Sheldon - COMMERCE [mailtoSheldonSchallWisconsingov] Sent Wednesday September 30 2009 832 AMTo Benedetti BobSubject NFPA 30A-4324 inquiry - URGENT Section 30A-4323 limits tank storage capacity for Class I and II No limit for Class IIIA or IIIB trueSection 30A-4324 refers to setbacks in Table 4324 No indication that these setbacks are specific toor exclude any class of flammable or combustible so it appears that the setbacks apply to Class I -Class IIIB liquids This table appears to conflict with the previous section for Class IIIA amp IIIB liquids Also trueSection 30A-4325 allows an increased capacity for Class II and III liquids at fleet facilities Thisappears to conflict with section 4323 for Class III liquids which didnt have a capacity limit to startwith Either one or the other needs to changeSection 30A-4327 addresses dispensing from an aboveground tank for Class I and II liquids based uponspecific conditions Need to cover IIIBSection 30A-4328 refers to NFPA 30-2171 for spill and overfill This section only applies to class Iand II liquids Class IIIs need to be specifically addressed Considering the variables in the sections referenced above are the setbacks in Table 4324 intended toapply to Class IIIA andor Class IIIB liquids for public fueling

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From Benedetti BobTo Bill HickmanCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Monday December 14 2009 50332 PM

Good afternoon Mr Hickman To answer your question the separation distances in Table 4324 of NFPA 30A Code for MotorFuel Dispensing Facilities and Repair Garages are intended to apply to outside abovegroundstorage tanks for fuel where such is allowed The tanks inside a service station building majorrepair garage or minor repair garage would likely be handling Class IIIB liquids (flash point gt200 degF) only in accordance with Subsection 4392 of NFPA 30A Subsection 4392 does not set any specific requirements for separation between tanks inside abuilding although it does refer back to Chapters 21 through 23 of NFPA 30 Flammable andCombustible Liquids Code Shell-to-shell spacing distances for aboveground tanks areestablished in Table 22421 Table 22421 is intended for much large tanks than one wouldfind in a repair garage or ldquolube-onlyrdquo facility For example the minimum separation for tanksstoring Class IIIB liquids is 3 feet as set forth in 224212 But again the separationdistances in Chapter 22 of NFPA 30 are intended for tank farm application not for the muchsmaller tanks found in the type of occupancy governed by NFPA 30A Also any facility meeting the requirements of NFPA 30A is considered to be in compliance withNFPA 30 Please understand that this response to your inquiry is a personal opinion and does notconstitute a Formal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 ofNFPArsquos Regulations Governing Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitivelydetermine compliance with any laws ordinances rules or regulations To determine theadequacy or safety of any device or installation you should consult with an appropriateprofessional To determine legal compliance you should refer to the appropriate authorityhaving jurisdiction or seek legal advice I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will behappy to assist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPARegulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarilyrepresent the official position of the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition thiscorrespondence is neither intended nor should it be relied upon to provide professional consultation orservices cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg If you have a reported fire in your home the risk of dyingdecreases by about 80 percent when sprinklers are present

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From Bill Hickman [mailtoBillHickmanstatecous] Sent Tuesday December 01 2009 939 AMTo Benedetti BobSubject Inquiry NFPA 30A - Storage of Liquids Inside Buildings Mr Benedetti Id appreciate your interpretation on an item regarding aboveground tanks storing lubricants (newused oil) inside abuilding at a repair garage NFPA 30A 439 does not include specific spacing requirements for tanks inside buildings Where there are multiple tanks being stored inside the building is there no minimum separation distance requirementthat must be met or do the requirements of Table 4324 apply Thank you in advance for your assistance __________________________________ Bill HickmanInspectorTechnical SpecialistCO Division of Oil amp Public Safety303-378-5090

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From Benedetti BobTo Peznowski EdwardCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Thursday September 03 2009 30455 PM

Hi Ed The 1996 edition of the Flammable and Combustible Liquids Code Handbook was the last one prior to thecurrent 2008 edition The commentary hasnrsquot changed My recollection of the development of this text is that the intent of NFPA 30A Code for Motor FuelDispensing Facilities and Repair Garages is to isolate the motor fuel dispensing area and its attendanthazard completely from the rest of the structure regardless of what else might be in the structure Subsection 524 assumes that the installation involves a motor fuel dispensing operation inside abuilding where you would not expect to have same such as an office building A bus repair facility wouldbe probably classed as a major repair garage and would be expected to have fueling operations Thehazard of this is in my opinion no greater than the repair operations It could be that the language in Subsection 524 needs to be clarified so that it applies only to situationssuch as I first described Please understand that this response to your inquiry is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 of NFPArsquos RegulationsGoverning Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitively determine compliance with anylaws ordinances rules or regulations To determine the adequacy or safety of any device or installationyou should consult with an appropriate professional To determine legal compliance you should refer tothe appropriate authority having jurisdiction or seek legal advice I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will be happy toassist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarily represent the official positionof the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it berelied upon to provide professional consultation or services cc 30AIFI 30AFAQ AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

Fire Prevention Week is October 4 ndash 10 2009 Visit wwwfirepreventionweekorg or call 800-344-3555 for moreinformation NFPA Seminars - Apply the codes with confidenceRegister at wwwnfpalearnorg NFPA Membership keeps you up-to-dateVisit wwwnfpaorgjoin for more information Or call 800-344-3555Notice The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for the

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exclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential andor privileged information If you are not the intendedrecipient please notify Robert Benedetti immediately by replying to the message or by calling (617) 984-7433 Please deletethis message and any attachments from your system Thank you

From Peznowski Edward [mailtoEdwardPeznowskipostatectus] Sent Monday August 31 2009 127 PMTo Benedetti BobSubject NFPA 30A Hi Bob Sorry to bother you but I need your help and interpretation of the following section of NFPA 30A 2000edition 524 - All piping inside buildings but outside the motor fuel dispensing area shall be enclosed within ahorizontal chase or a vertical shaft used only for this piping Vertical shafts and horizontal chases shall beconstructed of materials having a fire resistance rating of not less than 2 hours Bob I have a bus repair facility being built and we have fuel dispensing area within the building enclosedwith a 2hr fire resistive separation My question is I have diesel fuel piping coming from two tanks locatedoutside of the building the piping runs outside of the dispensing area does this piping need to be enclosed Ihave the proper UL listed system for through wall penetrations My problem lies here I have natural gas heating fuel oil lines for boilers and diesel fuel line for thegenerator all running through the area outside the 2 hour rated dispensing area which are not required to beenclosed My thought is within the 2 hour fire resistive construction I have storage rooms for grease and oil a office forfuel dispensing Any fuel piping running through these areas would be enclosed but once I go outside my 2hrrated enclosure the piping would not have to be enclosed NFPA 30A (1996edition)6-42 - All fuel and flammable vapor piping inside buildings but outside the service station area shall beenclosed within a horizontal chase or a vertical shaft used only for this piping Vertical shafts and horizontalchases shall be constructed of materials having a fire resistance rating of not less than 2 hoursCOMMENTARY 6-42 The intent of this requirement is to preserve the isolation of the service stationoperation from the rest of the building I donrsquot have the 2000 handbook for commentary Thanks Bob Edward J PeznowskiFire amp Life Safety SpecialistBureau of EngineeringOffice State Fire Marshal860-685-8350

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From Benedetti BobTo Hamilton James P (HOY)Cc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiSubject Inquiry NFPA 30A-2008Date Monday September 14 2009 115041 AM

Good morning Mr Hamilton The intent of this particular provision of Subsection 672 of NFPA 30A Code for Motor Fuel DispensingFacilities and Repair Garages is to ensure that the patron has access to a second disconnect if he or shecannot reach the primary disconnect ie the one that is between 20 and 100 feet from the dispenser In my opinion all of the emergency disconnects required by Section 67 must be at least 20 ft but normore than 100 ft from the nearest dispenser Please understand that this response to your inquiry is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 of NFPArsquos RegulationsGoverning Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitively determine compliance with anylaws ordinances rules or regulations To determine the adequacy or safety of any device or installationyou should consult with an appropriate professional To determine legal compliance you should refer tothe appropriate authority having jurisdiction or seek legal advice I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will be happy toassist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarily represent the official positionof the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it berelied upon to provide professional consultation or services cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

Fire Prevention Week is October 4 ndash 10 2009 Visit wwwfirepreventionweekorg or call 800-344-3555 for moreinformation NFPA Seminars - Apply the codes with confidenceRegister at wwwnfpalearnorg NFPA Membership keeps you up-to-dateVisit wwwnfpaorgjoin for more information Or call 800-344-3555Notice The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for theexclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential andor privileged information If you are not the intendedrecipient please notify Robert Benedetti immediately by replying to the message or by calling (617) 984-7433 Please deletethis message and any attachments from your system Thank you

From Hamilton James P (HOY) [mailtoHAMILTONJPbechteljacobsorg] Sent Thursday September 10 2009 1224 PMTo Benedetti BobSubject NFPA 30A 2008 Edition

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Importance High

NFPA 30A 672 states at least one additional device or disconnect shall be readily accessible toeach group of dispensing devices on an individual island Our installation does not have islands Should the second emergency shutoff be installed close to the pumps or between 20 and 100 ofthe pumps

Please respond back via email hamiltonjpbechteljacobsorg

Thanks

NFPA 127130 James P Hamilton CFPSTetraTek Inc - Fire Safety TechnologiesFire Protection LeadK-27 Pre-Demo Project 790 Emory Valley Rd 811 Oak Ridge TN 37830 ETTP Office 865-241-1902

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From Benedetti BobTo Scott DavonskiCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Tuesday August 04 2009 92429 AM

Good morning Mr Davonski My opinion is that the intent of the requirement in Subsection 1141 of NFPA 30A Code for Motor FuelDispensing Facilities and Repair Garages is that any hose longer than 18 feet should not simply bestrung along the dockrsquos surface Using a reel would be one means of securing the hose although Irsquomsure other methods such as hangers would work as well Please understand that this response to your inquiry is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 of NFPArsquos RegulationsGoverning Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitively determine compliance with anylaws ordinances rules or regulations To determine the adequacy or safety of any device or installationyou should consult with an appropriate professional To determine legal compliance you should refer tothe appropriate authority having jurisdiction or seek legal advice I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will be happy toassist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarily represent the official positionof the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it berelied upon to provide professional consultation or services cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

Fire Prevention Week is October 4 ndash 10 2009 Visit wwwfirepreventionweekorg or call 800-344-3555 for moreinformation NFPA Seminars - Apply the codes with confidenceRegister at wwwnfpalearnorg NFPA Membership keeps you up-to-dateVisit wwwnfpaorgjoin for more information Or call 800-344-3555Notice The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for theexclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential andor privileged information If you are not the intendedrecipient please notify Robert Benedetti immediately by replying to the message or by calling (617) 984-7433 Please deletethis message and any attachments from your system Thank you

From Scott Davonski [mailtodavonskiRiverheadlicom] Sent Wednesday July 22 2009 1118 AMTo Benedetti BobSubject 30A clarification

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1141 All hose shall be listed Where hose length exceeds 55 m (18 ft) the hose shall besecured so as to protect it from damage Can you provide clarification as to what is meant by ldquosecured so as to protect it fromdamagerdquo Is the standard looking not to have the hoses on the dock In a reel Any clarificationinformation would be appreciated Scott W DavonskiChief Fire MarshalTown of RiverheadP- 631-727-3200 ext 209F- 631-727-3370

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Page 28: TECHNICAL COMMITTEE ON AUTOMOTIVE and MARINE … · SUBJECT: Agenda for ROC Meeting – October 4, 2010 _____ Ladies and Gentlemen: Attached is the Agenda for the NFPA 30A Report
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From Benedetti BobTo bcotnerswriorgCc Harrington Greg Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiBcc May PaulSubject Inquiry NFPA 30 amp NFPA 30ADate Thursday July 08 2010 121900 PM

Good Morning Mr Cotner Greg Harrington asked that I respond to your question about the proper use ofintermediate bulk containers Actually an intermediate bulk container is a shipping vessel that must meetrequirements and specifications of the U S Department of Transportation for shippingmaterials from Point A to Point B It is not intended to be a storage vessel althoughthe liquid contained is obviously dispensed from the vessel for use Dispensing of motor fuels is covered by NFPA 30A Code for Motor Fuel DispensingFacilities and Repair Garages NFPA 30A states in Subsection 421 421 Liquids shall be stored in the following(1) Approved closed containers that do not exceed 227 L (60 gal) capacity and arelocated outside buildings(2) Tanks or approved closed containers located inside motor fuel dispensingfacilities or repair garages(3) Aboveground tanks underground tanks and containers in accordance with therequirements of Section 43(4) Tanks supplying marine service stations in accordance with Section 112 Section 43 states the following 432 Aboveground Storage Tanks Except as modified by the provisions of thissubsection aboveground storage tanks shall meet all applicable requirements ofChapters 21 through 23 and 27 of NFPA 30 Flammable and Combustible Liquids Code So in accordance with NFPA 30A Subsection 421(3) indicates that abovegroundstorage of motor fuel must be in a tank that meets the provisions of Section 43 Thelatter in turn references the Chapters in NFPA 30 that deal with fixed storage tanks Nowhere in these chapters is there any reference to an intermediate bulk container Chapter 9 of NFPA 30 does recognize an intermediate bulk container for warehouse-type storage of Class I flammable liquids but does not anticipate continual dispensingand use One could evaluate an intermediate bulk container as a means of long-term storageand dispensing of liquids under the Equivalency clause My opinion is that an intermediate bulk container is not considered a substitute for anaboveground storage tank but this is not specifically stated in the relevant codes This issue will be added to the agendas for the Technical Committees involved Please understand that this response is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 ofNFPArsquos Regulations Governing Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon todefinitively determine compliance with any laws ordinances rules or regulations Todetermine legal compliance you should refer to the appropriate authority havingjurisdiction or seek legal advice It is not intended nor should it be relied upon toprovide professional consultation or services To determine the adequacy or safety ofany device or installation you should consult with an appropriate professional

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I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write Iwill be happy to assist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant toNFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does notnecessarily represent the official position of the NFPA or its Technical Committees Inaddition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it be relied upon to provideprofessional consultation or services cc 30IFI 30AIFI AUVNM FLCSWCNM FLCTANNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

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From Harrington Greg Sent Wednesday July 07 2010 350 PMTo Benedetti BobSubject FW Intermediate Bulk Containers Hi Bob Can you answer the question below Hersquos a friend of mine former inspector with San Antonio FD when Iworked down there now a safety guy at SWRI Thanks a lot --Greg

From Bill Cotner [mailtobcotnerswriorg] Sent Wednesday July 07 2010 332 PMTo Harrington GregSubject Intermediate Bulk Containers Hey Greg howrsquos the heat in Boston here it is a balmy 93 enjoying it I have a question probably out ofyour area but Irsquom sure you know who to route it to We have a group here that wants to dispense fuelfrom a stainless steel IBC into test engines I donrsquot think that is the intended use or what it has beenlisted for Can I get some guidance on this issue I appreciate anything you can do for me Bill Bill CotnerSenior Fire SpecialistEnvironmental Safety and Quality SystemsSouthwest Research InstitutePhone (210) 522-5101Fax (210) 522-5093Mobile (210) 669-7005Email bcotner swriorg

From Benedetti BobTo Ebanks DesmondCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiBcc May PaulSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Monday June 14 2010 35400 PM

Good afternoon Mr Ebanks The intent of Subsection 422 of NFPA 30A Code for Motor Fuel Dispensing Facilities and RepairGarages is that there be no direct piped connection between the aboveground storage tank inthe bulk plant and the fuel dispensing device in the motor fuel dispensing facility In my opinionthis includes any intervening underground storage tank The hazard being addressed is the potential to overfill the underground storage tank due to thestatic head of the liquid in the aboveground storage tank Please understand that this response is a personal opinion and does not constitute a FormalInterpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 of NFPArsquos RegulationsGoverning Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitively determine compliancewith any laws ordinances rules or regulations To determine legal compliance you shouldrefer to the appropriate authority having jurisdiction or seek legal advice It is not intended norshould it be relied upon to provide professional consultation or services To determine theadequacy or safety of any device or installation you should consult with an appropriateprofessional I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will behappy to assist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPARegulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarilyrepresent the official position of the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition thiscorrespondence is neither intended nor should it be relied upon to provide professional consultation orservices cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg Attend the premier event for fire life safety and electrical professionals

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From Ebanks Desmond [mailtoDesmondEbanksgovky] Sent Monday May 24 2010 940 AMTo Benedetti BobSubject bulk storage supply to motor fuel facilities Hi Bob NFPA 30A (2003) 422 gives to positions in relation to motor fuel dispensing facilities (mfdf) that I would like to havefurther clarified for Code intent please The first is that dispensing devices at the mfdf shall not be supplied by ASTs located in the bulk plant Does this implythat supply from a UST (underground storage tank) in the bulk storage facility would be acceptable or to the other extentthat even if the bulk AST supplied a loading rack which in turn supplied a UST both in the bulk facility that supplyfrom the bulk AST is still not permitted The second statement refers to any storage tank at the mfdf saying they shall not be connected by piping to bulkfacility ASTs Similarly does this imply that a UST (underground storage tank) in the bulk storage facility would beacceptable or that if the bulk tank was connected to a loading rack and the loading rack connected by non-permanentmeans to an mfdf tank that this would be permissible RegardsDes EbanksAssistant Petroleum InspectorThe Petroleum InspectorateCayman Islands GovernmentAnderson Square 4th floorPO Box 31213Grand CaymanKY1-1205Cayman IslandsOffice 345 244 3458Mobile 345 925 3317Fax 345 949 0920Email desmondebanksgovky

From Benedetti BobTo Shriniwas BodhankarCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiBcc May PaulSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Monday June 14 2010 50100 PM

Good day Sir There has been no discussion by the Technical Committee on Automotive and Marine ServiceStations to alter the separation distances in Table 4324 of NFPA 30A Code for Motor FuelDispensing Facilities and Repair Garages as they pertain to liquid fuels including high flashpoint diesel fuels Also there have been no proposals to make such a change to NFPA 30A I trust this answers your question R P Benedetti cc -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

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From Shriniwas Bodhankar [mailtobodhankarenoccom] Sent Tuesday June 01 2010 536 AMTo Maynard Mary Benedetti BobSubject NFPA 30 A Dear sir Reference is made to table no 4324 of NFPA code 30A specifying the minimum distance between storagetanks and dispensing equipment A dispenser should be placed minimum 50 feet away from a bunded abovegroundsteel tank to meet this requirementIn our opinion this is too stringent and uncalled for in case of high flash diesel ( Flash point above 65 degreecentigrade) A bunded tank where spill can be contained within bund is as safe as a vaulted tankfire resistanttankprotected tank Therefore it is equally safe to install an approved dispensing device immediately outside thebund provided the vent of the tank is 4 meters above the grade level on which the dispensing device is installedVarious international oil companies like SHELL amp BP carry similar installations for their fleet customers of dieselMoreover there are standard skids being marketed in EUROPE (even for gasoline) which have storage tanks and

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dispensers on same skid and such an arrangement is accepted by ldquoAuthority Having Jurisdictionrdquo(AHJ)Kindly advise if this standard requirement is being reviewed or otherwise if based on performance based designsuch a requirement may be waived or considered as ldquo highly recommendedrdquo in the leastBased on your feedback we wish to discuss this with AHJ in UAE Regards Regards Shriniwas BodhankarSenior EHS Compliance Officer( Special Projects)Group EHSQ Compliance DepartmentEmirates National Oil Company Limited (ENOC) LLC ENOC House I PO Box 6442Dubai United Arab EmiratesDirect +971 4 313 4437Fax +971 4 313 4482bodhankarenoccom | wwwenoccom

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From Benedetti BobTo EActonccfireusCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiBcc May PaulSubject Inquiry NFPA 30A amp NFPA 30Date Monday August 02 2010 44400 PMAttachments DSC06169JPG

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Good day Mr Acton Fire protection provisions for major and minor repair garages and ldquolube-onlyrdquofacilities which is the topic of your concern are provided in NFPA 30A Code for MotorFuel Dispensing Facilities and Repair Garages currently 2008 edition Chapter 5 ofNFPA 30A covers piping systems but its specific provisions focus on piping systemsbetween fuel storage tanks and fuel dispensers Chapter 5 also directly referencesChapter 27 of the 2008 edition of NFPA 30 Flammable and Combustible Liquids Code(successor to Chapter 5 of the 2003 edition) Subsection 527 of NFPA 30A allows piping made from low-melting point materials tobe installed in exposed areas but only in specific locations These are limited tocontainment sumps under dispensers containment sumps for underground fuelstorage tanks and sumps for below-grade piping connections Chapter 5 of NFPA 30Ais silent on piping inside buildings Therefore the user is left with the provisions ofChapter 27 of NFPA 30 NFPA 30 in turn does allow piping fabricated of low melting point materials to beused exposed outdoors or inside buildings with the following provisions ldquo27441 Such materials shall be permitted to be used outdoors above ground orinside buildings provided they meet one of the following conditions (1) They are resistant to damage by fire(2) They are located so that any leakage resulting from failure will not exposepersons important buildings or structures(3) They are located where leakage can be controlled by operation of one or moreaccessible remotely located valvesrdquo Regardless of the material of construction of the piping and components the followinggeneral requirement from Chapter 27 of NFPA 30 always applies ldquo273 General Requirements2731 Performance Standards The design fabrication assembly test and inspectionof piping systems shall be suitable for the working pressures and structural stresses tobe encountered by the piping system Compliance with applicable sections of ASMEB31 Code for Pressure Piping and the provisions of this chapter shall be consideredprima facie evidence of compliance with the foregoing provisions2732 Tightness of Piping Piping systems shall be maintained liquidtight A pipingsystem that has leaks that constitute a hazard shall be emptied of liquid or repaired ina manner acceptable to the authority having jurisdictionrdquo Your interpretation of Subsection 511 of the 2003 edition of NFPA 30 (2711 in the2008 edition) is correct the chapter applies to any piping system that handles aflammable or combustible liquid regardless of pressure Likewise you are correct thatthe piping system must meet the provisions of ASME B31 for the material chosen andthe anticipated operating pressures and temperatures (531 in the 2003 edition 2741 in the 2008 edition) However low melting point materials (aluminum copperbrass and polymeric materials) are allowed under the provisions of Subsection 534(2003 edition) and 2744 (2008 edition) What must be determined is does thepiping system comply with one of the conditions stated in 27441 as stated above

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Please understand that this response is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 ofNFPArsquos Regulations Governing Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon todefinitively determine compliance with any laws ordinances rules or regulations Todetermine legal compliance you should refer to the appropriate authority havingjurisdiction or seek legal advice It is not intended nor should it be relied upon toprovide professional consultation or services To determine the adequacy or safety ofany device or installation you should consult with an appropriate professional I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write Iwill be happy to assist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant toNFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does notnecessarily represent the official position of the NFPA or its Technical Committees Inaddition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it be relied upon to provideprofessional consultation or services cc 30IFI 30AIFI AUVNM FLCTANNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

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From Eric Acton [mailtoEActonccfireus] Sent Monday July 19 2010 636 PMTo Benedetti BobSubject InterpretationOpinion request

Good day My name is Eric Acton I am the Fire Marshal for Campbell CountyWyoming and Irsquom employed by Campbell County Fire Department My NFPA

membership number is 2755369 My mailing and email addresses are listed below I am in need of a technical opinion regarding 2003 NFPA 30 Chapter 5 or morecurrently 2008 NFPA 30A Chapter 5 Some brief project backgroundAn owner within my jurisdiction has built a commercial lube-oil center to servicecustomersrsquo vehicles A ldquopitrdquo exists below the service bay to allow workers to drainthe oil from the vehicle then workers on the main floor refill the oil by use ofpressurized nozzles Several motor oil storage tanks are located in the pitaccounting for several brands and viscosities of oil The tanks are designed to befilled by use of a piping system which extends from an exterior connection vault toeach of the storage tanks using gravity to move the product in the fill-pipingsystem The material the owner chose to construct the fill-piping system wasldquostandardrdquo 1-12rdquo Schedule 40 PVC and Parker Series 7094 Electrically Non-Conductive rubber hose The piping system is exposed it is not underground nor isit protected from flame by means of a fire-rated chase Having identified the use of combustible liquids in this occupancy I utilized 2006International Fire Code (as adopted by my jurisdiction) Chapter 34 Flammable andCombustible Liquids to review and inspect the project IFC Section 340362referred me to NFPA 30 Chapter 5 for the construction materials to use where Iinterpreted (2003 version) 30511 to mean that the piping system components (pipetubing flanges bolting gaskets valves fittingshellip) must meet the requirementsregardless of pressure And that the following components specified in theparagraph must meet the requirements ONLY if they contained pressure ndashhelliprdquoexpansion joints and strainers and devices such thathelliprdquo I further interpreted(2003 version) 30531 Material Specifications similarly in that the ldquoPipe valvesfaucets couplingshelliprdquo must meet the requirements regardless of pressure while ldquohellipother pressure-containing partshelliprdquo meant ONLY the other parts that containedpressure Verbatim to 30511 is encountered in 2008 NFPA 30A Chapter 5paragraph 51 Scope The owner states his piping complies with the standard cited because it is gravity-fed hence no ldquopressurerdquo is seen by the piping components I maintain that thepiping system shall consist of metal pipe (or another material meeting therequirements of ASME B31 as allowed by 2003 NFPA 30531) to comply with NFPA30 and IFC Some assistance to resolve this problem is greatly appreciated I have attachedsome photographs for clarification Thanks for your attentionEric

Eric ActonFire MarshalCampbell County Fire Department 106 Rohan Avenue Gillette WY 82716 (307) 682-5319 ext 8912(307) 686-2222 Fax(307) 680-9612 Cell

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From Benedetti BobTo Howard Jim (Woodbridge)Cc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiBcc May PaulSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Monday June 28 2010 115100 AM

Good morning Mr Howard First I appreciate your patience with me while I reviewed the information sent to meby yourself and Mr Luby of Veeder-Root I wanted to ensure that I thoroughlyunderstood how the system functions in its line leak detection mode My understanding of the arrangement of the piping system from the pair ofunderground storage tanks is that the electronic line leak detector the PLLD tests thesupply piping from the two submersible pumps to the dispensers as a single system This includes the direct piping run from the master pump to the dispensers AND thepiping that connects the slave pump to the direct piping run The intent of Subsection 642 of the 2008 edition of NFPA 30A Code for Motor FuelDispensing Facilities and Repair Garages is to ensure that some type of leak detectiondevice monitors the piping from the submersible pump to the dispensers in such amanner that a leak in the piping leading to the dispensers or in the dispensersthemselves is detected and notification of a leak given Since the two pumps act intandem and since the entire piping system from the pumps to the dispensers ismonitored my personal opinion is that the intent of Subsection 642 is met andevaluation of the system described as being equivalent to what is required bySubsection 642 is reasonable Whether the system described meets the criteria of Section 15 Equivalency of NFPA30A must be determined by the authority having jurisdiction As NFPA Staff Liaison forNFPA 30A I cannot make such a determination under NFPArsquos Regulations GoverningCommittee Projects Please understand that this response is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 ofNFPArsquos Regulations Governing Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon todefinitively determine compliance with any laws ordinances rules or regulations Todetermine legal compliance you should refer to the appropriate authority havingjurisdiction or seek legal advice It is not intended nor should it be relied upon toprovide professional consultation or services To determine the adequacy or safety ofany device or installation you should consult with an appropriate professional I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write Iwill be happy to assist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant toNFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does notnecessarily represent the official position of the NFPA or its Technical Committees Inaddition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it be relied upon to provideprofessional consultation or services cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids Engineer

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National Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

If you have a reported fire in your home the risk of dyingdecreases by about 80 percent when sprinklers are present

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From Howard Jim (Woodbridge) [mailtoJHowardhesscom] Sent Monday June 14 2010 1144 AMTo Benedetti BobCc Howard Jim (Woodbridge) Bob Luby Subject Importance High Bob It was a pleasure talking to you this morning regarding the Line Leak Detection applicationin place at Hess Station 08501 - Milltown DE (drawing attached) as well as several thousandlocations worldwide Here is some background information on this installation

Site had 3 - 10000 gallon gasoline tanks 1 - 10000 Regular (87) 1 - 10000 Plus (89) 1 - 10000 Premium (93) prior to our Dispenser Replacement Project Because of theoverwhelming demand for Regular gasoline (887 in 2009) we converted the existingPlus tank to additional Regular storageDispensers were replaced with new Blend Dispensers Tanks were not manifoldedRegular and former-Plus product lines were manifolded at each dispenserWe installed Veeder-Root PLLDs (Electronic Line Leak Detectors) on the Regular 1and Premium STPs We installed a non-vented Swift Check on Regular 2 (formerPlus) STP Because the PLLD is vented we MUST install a non-vented swift check onRegular STP 2 in order to test the system as a wholeWe have demonstrated via post-construction testing that the system will pick up a 3gph leak

The State of DE has questioned our compliance with NFPA 30A 642 Each pump shallhave installed on the discharge side a listed leak detection device that will provide an audibleor visible indication if the piping or a dispenser is leaking Each leak-detecting device shallbe checked and tested at least annually according to the manufacturers specifications toensure proper installation and operation

Can you comment on whether the system shown on the attached and described above and onour call meets the NFPA requirement or if it meets the definition of Equivalency as definedin Chapter 15 - Equivalency Thank you in advance for your consideration in this matter Please do not hesitate to contactme if there are any questions or concerns on this application ThanksJim Howard RFMPManager Maintenance amp UST ComplianceHess Corporation732-750-6220 (office)800-903-4801 (Emergency Hotline)E-mail UST Inspections to USTCompliancehesscomFax UST Inspections to 866-435-6744

This e-mail and any attachments are for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may containinformation that is confidential If you are not the intended recipient(s) and have received this e-mail in error please immediately notify the sender by return e-mail and delete this e-mail fromyour computer Any distribution disclosure or the taking of any other action by anyone other thanthe intended recipient(s) is strictly prohibited

From Benedetti BobTo Gary KostalCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiBcc May PaulSubject Inquiry NFPA 30 NFPA 30ADate Tuesday August 10 2010 43200 PM

Good afternoon Mr Kostal There are no provisions in NFPA 30 Flammable and Combustible Liquids Code togovern dispensing of motor fuels into motorized equipment and the devices youdescribe are not mentioned at all in NFPA 30 or in the only other related NFPAdocument that might apply NFPA 30A Code for Motor Fuel Dispensing Facilities andRepair Garages I cannot say that these units are either allowed or disallowed because neither NFPA30 nor NFPA 30A speaks about them The only provisions that might apply are the quantity limitations established in thesetwo codes depending on which code applies If the maintenance building is considered an industrial occupancy then Chapter 9 ofNFPA 30 establishes a maximum allowable quantity for of 120 gallons for Class Iliquids (The maximum allowable quantity is actually a threshold value Up to theMAQ compliance with NFPA 30 is not required above it NFPA 30 applies) If the maintenance building is considered a repair garage then NFPA 30A takesprecedence It also sets a 120 gallon limit on the maximum quantity of Class I liquid In both cases the quantity of fuel involved is 50 percent of the maximum allowed Myopinion is that there is no violation of either NFPA 30 or NFPA 30A Please understand that this response is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 ofNFPArsquos Regulations Governing Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon todefinitively determine compliance with any laws ordinances rules or regulations Todetermine legal compliance you should refer to the appropriate authority havingjurisdiction or seek legal advice It is not intended nor should it be relied upon toprovide professional consultation or services To determine the adequacy or safety ofany device or installation you should consult with an appropriate professional I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write Iwill be happy to assist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant toNFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does notnecessarily represent the official position of the NFPA or its Technical Committees Inaddition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it be relied upon to provideprofessional consultation or services cc 30IFI 30AIFI-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch Park

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Quincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg Important Notice This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPA RegulationsAny opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarily represent the officialposition of the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition this correspondence is neither intended norshould it be relied upon to provide professional consultation or services

Visit wwwfirepreventionweekorg or call 800-344-3555 for more information Check out FPW on social mediahellipwwwtwittercomfpw2010wwwfacebookcomfirepreventionweekhttpnfpatypepadcomfpw Check out NFPA onhellip

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From Gary Kostal [mailtogarykbloomingdalefirecom] Sent Monday August 09 2010 328 PMTo Benedetti BobSubject Looking for assistance - portable gas caddies Membership 2329840 Gary KostalFire Prevention DirectorBloomingdale Fire District Question (Non-formal opinion) I have a country club where they service a very large number of lawn maintenance equipment on a dailybasis They are utilizing a portable gas container (gas caddy) that holds approximately 30 gallons ofgasoline The unit is equipped with a hand style pump which is located on the top of the tank Fuel isdispensed from this tank as you crank the pump There are no nozzles located on the hose These gascaddies are being used inside their maintenance building which is fully fire sprinkled They are presentlyusing two of these devices inside the same building which is basically one days use

My question is are these devices allowed for this type of dispensing Are they required to be equippedwith a self closing nozzle What NFPA sections would apply to this particular type of device Thank you for your assistance in this matter

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From Benedetti BobTo SheldonSchallWisconsingovCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Wednesday September 30 2009 45929 PM

Good afternoon Sheldon I will here provide more detailed answers to your questions as posed in the email you sent to me today Section 30A-4323 limits tank storage capacity for Class I and II No limit for Class IIIA or IIIB

You are correct The intent of 4323 is to limit the capacities only of those tanks that storeClass I and II liquids Recall that when NFPA 30A initially allowed aboveground storage tanks atvehicle fueling sites biofuels were not in the picture just gasoline (Class I) and diesel fuel (ClassII) The Technical Committee at the time did not conceive that there would be the need to storeClass III fuels because there werenrsquot any The bottom line NFPA 30A does not limit the capacityof an aboveground storage tank that holds a motor fuel that is a Class III liquid

Section 30A-4324 refers to setbacks in Table 4324 No indication that these setbacks are specific toor exclude any class of flammable or combustible so it appears that the setbacks apply to Class I -Class IIIB liquids This table appears to conflict with the previous section for Class IIIA amp IIIB liquids

This is again correct that the separation distances in Table 4324 are not specific to anyparticular Class of liquid There is no conflict however 4323 deals with tank capacities 4324 deals with separation distances for the tanks Since 4324 does not specify anyparticular liquid class(es) it applies to ALL liquid classes

Section 30A-4325 allows an increased capacity for Class II and III liquids at fleet facilities Thisappears to conflict with section 4323 for Class III liquids which didnt have a capacity limit to startwith

Here there is a conflict or at least a serious inconsistency This provision was added one or twoeditions after 4323 and it appears that biofuels are beginning to be recognized It also appearsthat the intent here was to allow a relaxation of one limit in favor of a more liberal one Theproblem is the original limit doesnrsquot exist making it arguable that the application of 4325 toClass III liquids is meaningless Given the obvious intent here for some limit on Class III liquidfuels 4323 should be amended to include Class IIIs

Section 30A-4327 addresses dispensing from an aboveground tank for Class I and II liquids based uponspecific conditions

Paragraph 4322 is a hold-over dating back to when service stations were covered in Chapter 7of the old versions of NFPA 30 This set of requirements should also be amended to include ClassIIIs

Section 30A-4328 refers to NFPA 30-2171 for spill and overfill This section only applies to class Iand II liquids

While it is true that Subsection 2171 of NFPA 30 only applies to Classes I and II I do not believeit is a conflict for NFPA 30A to also apply it to Class III as well if the Technical Committee it isappropriate to do so However the language needs to be improved or an Annex item should beadded to explain the extrapolation and the reason for it

I will add this to the next meetingrsquos agenda for the Technical Committee on Automotive and MarineService Stations As usual the following applies Please understand that this response to your inquiry is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 of NFPArsquos RegulationsGoverning Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitively determine compliance with anylaws ordinances rules or regulations To determine the adequacy or safety of any device or installationyou should consult with an appropriate professional To determine legal compliance you should refer tothe appropriate authority having jurisdiction or seek legal advice

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I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will be happy toassist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarily represent the official positionof the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it berelied upon to provide professional consultation or services cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

Fire Prevention Week is October 4 ndash 10 2009 Visit wwwfirepreventionweekorg or call 800-344-3555 for moreinformation NFPA Seminars - Apply the codes with confidenceRegister at wwwnfpalearnorg NFPA Membership keeps you up-to-dateVisit wwwnfpaorgjoin for more information Or call 800-344-3555Notice The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for theexclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential andor privileged information If you are not the intendedrecipient please notify Robert Benedetti immediately by replying to the message or by calling (617) 984-7433 Please deletethis message and any attachments from your system Thank you Considering the variables in the sections referenced above are the setbacks in Table 4324 intended toapply to Class IIIA andor Class IIIB liquids for public fueling

From Schall Sheldon - COMMERCE [mailtoSheldonSchallWisconsingov] Sent Wednesday September 30 2009 832 AMTo Benedetti BobSubject NFPA 30A-4324 inquiry - URGENT Section 30A-4323 limits tank storage capacity for Class I and II No limit for Class IIIA or IIIB trueSection 30A-4324 refers to setbacks in Table 4324 No indication that these setbacks are specific toor exclude any class of flammable or combustible so it appears that the setbacks apply to Class I -Class IIIB liquids This table appears to conflict with the previous section for Class IIIA amp IIIB liquids Also trueSection 30A-4325 allows an increased capacity for Class II and III liquids at fleet facilities Thisappears to conflict with section 4323 for Class III liquids which didnt have a capacity limit to startwith Either one or the other needs to changeSection 30A-4327 addresses dispensing from an aboveground tank for Class I and II liquids based uponspecific conditions Need to cover IIIBSection 30A-4328 refers to NFPA 30-2171 for spill and overfill This section only applies to class Iand II liquids Class IIIs need to be specifically addressed Considering the variables in the sections referenced above are the setbacks in Table 4324 intended toapply to Class IIIA andor Class IIIB liquids for public fueling

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From Benedetti BobTo Bill HickmanCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Monday December 14 2009 50332 PM

Good afternoon Mr Hickman To answer your question the separation distances in Table 4324 of NFPA 30A Code for MotorFuel Dispensing Facilities and Repair Garages are intended to apply to outside abovegroundstorage tanks for fuel where such is allowed The tanks inside a service station building majorrepair garage or minor repair garage would likely be handling Class IIIB liquids (flash point gt200 degF) only in accordance with Subsection 4392 of NFPA 30A Subsection 4392 does not set any specific requirements for separation between tanks inside abuilding although it does refer back to Chapters 21 through 23 of NFPA 30 Flammable andCombustible Liquids Code Shell-to-shell spacing distances for aboveground tanks areestablished in Table 22421 Table 22421 is intended for much large tanks than one wouldfind in a repair garage or ldquolube-onlyrdquo facility For example the minimum separation for tanksstoring Class IIIB liquids is 3 feet as set forth in 224212 But again the separationdistances in Chapter 22 of NFPA 30 are intended for tank farm application not for the muchsmaller tanks found in the type of occupancy governed by NFPA 30A Also any facility meeting the requirements of NFPA 30A is considered to be in compliance withNFPA 30 Please understand that this response to your inquiry is a personal opinion and does notconstitute a Formal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 ofNFPArsquos Regulations Governing Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitivelydetermine compliance with any laws ordinances rules or regulations To determine theadequacy or safety of any device or installation you should consult with an appropriateprofessional To determine legal compliance you should refer to the appropriate authorityhaving jurisdiction or seek legal advice I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will behappy to assist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPARegulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarilyrepresent the official position of the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition thiscorrespondence is neither intended nor should it be relied upon to provide professional consultation orservices cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg If you have a reported fire in your home the risk of dyingdecreases by about 80 percent when sprinklers are present

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From Bill Hickman [mailtoBillHickmanstatecous] Sent Tuesday December 01 2009 939 AMTo Benedetti BobSubject Inquiry NFPA 30A - Storage of Liquids Inside Buildings Mr Benedetti Id appreciate your interpretation on an item regarding aboveground tanks storing lubricants (newused oil) inside abuilding at a repair garage NFPA 30A 439 does not include specific spacing requirements for tanks inside buildings Where there are multiple tanks being stored inside the building is there no minimum separation distance requirementthat must be met or do the requirements of Table 4324 apply Thank you in advance for your assistance __________________________________ Bill HickmanInspectorTechnical SpecialistCO Division of Oil amp Public Safety303-378-5090

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From Benedetti BobTo Peznowski EdwardCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Thursday September 03 2009 30455 PM

Hi Ed The 1996 edition of the Flammable and Combustible Liquids Code Handbook was the last one prior to thecurrent 2008 edition The commentary hasnrsquot changed My recollection of the development of this text is that the intent of NFPA 30A Code for Motor FuelDispensing Facilities and Repair Garages is to isolate the motor fuel dispensing area and its attendanthazard completely from the rest of the structure regardless of what else might be in the structure Subsection 524 assumes that the installation involves a motor fuel dispensing operation inside abuilding where you would not expect to have same such as an office building A bus repair facility wouldbe probably classed as a major repair garage and would be expected to have fueling operations Thehazard of this is in my opinion no greater than the repair operations It could be that the language in Subsection 524 needs to be clarified so that it applies only to situationssuch as I first described Please understand that this response to your inquiry is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 of NFPArsquos RegulationsGoverning Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitively determine compliance with anylaws ordinances rules or regulations To determine the adequacy or safety of any device or installationyou should consult with an appropriate professional To determine legal compliance you should refer tothe appropriate authority having jurisdiction or seek legal advice I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will be happy toassist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarily represent the official positionof the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it berelied upon to provide professional consultation or services cc 30AIFI 30AFAQ AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

Fire Prevention Week is October 4 ndash 10 2009 Visit wwwfirepreventionweekorg or call 800-344-3555 for moreinformation NFPA Seminars - Apply the codes with confidenceRegister at wwwnfpalearnorg NFPA Membership keeps you up-to-dateVisit wwwnfpaorgjoin for more information Or call 800-344-3555Notice The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for the

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exclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential andor privileged information If you are not the intendedrecipient please notify Robert Benedetti immediately by replying to the message or by calling (617) 984-7433 Please deletethis message and any attachments from your system Thank you

From Peznowski Edward [mailtoEdwardPeznowskipostatectus] Sent Monday August 31 2009 127 PMTo Benedetti BobSubject NFPA 30A Hi Bob Sorry to bother you but I need your help and interpretation of the following section of NFPA 30A 2000edition 524 - All piping inside buildings but outside the motor fuel dispensing area shall be enclosed within ahorizontal chase or a vertical shaft used only for this piping Vertical shafts and horizontal chases shall beconstructed of materials having a fire resistance rating of not less than 2 hours Bob I have a bus repair facility being built and we have fuel dispensing area within the building enclosedwith a 2hr fire resistive separation My question is I have diesel fuel piping coming from two tanks locatedoutside of the building the piping runs outside of the dispensing area does this piping need to be enclosed Ihave the proper UL listed system for through wall penetrations My problem lies here I have natural gas heating fuel oil lines for boilers and diesel fuel line for thegenerator all running through the area outside the 2 hour rated dispensing area which are not required to beenclosed My thought is within the 2 hour fire resistive construction I have storage rooms for grease and oil a office forfuel dispensing Any fuel piping running through these areas would be enclosed but once I go outside my 2hrrated enclosure the piping would not have to be enclosed NFPA 30A (1996edition)6-42 - All fuel and flammable vapor piping inside buildings but outside the service station area shall beenclosed within a horizontal chase or a vertical shaft used only for this piping Vertical shafts and horizontalchases shall be constructed of materials having a fire resistance rating of not less than 2 hoursCOMMENTARY 6-42 The intent of this requirement is to preserve the isolation of the service stationoperation from the rest of the building I donrsquot have the 2000 handbook for commentary Thanks Bob Edward J PeznowskiFire amp Life Safety SpecialistBureau of EngineeringOffice State Fire Marshal860-685-8350

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From Benedetti BobTo Hamilton James P (HOY)Cc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiSubject Inquiry NFPA 30A-2008Date Monday September 14 2009 115041 AM

Good morning Mr Hamilton The intent of this particular provision of Subsection 672 of NFPA 30A Code for Motor Fuel DispensingFacilities and Repair Garages is to ensure that the patron has access to a second disconnect if he or shecannot reach the primary disconnect ie the one that is between 20 and 100 feet from the dispenser In my opinion all of the emergency disconnects required by Section 67 must be at least 20 ft but normore than 100 ft from the nearest dispenser Please understand that this response to your inquiry is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 of NFPArsquos RegulationsGoverning Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitively determine compliance with anylaws ordinances rules or regulations To determine the adequacy or safety of any device or installationyou should consult with an appropriate professional To determine legal compliance you should refer tothe appropriate authority having jurisdiction or seek legal advice I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will be happy toassist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarily represent the official positionof the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it berelied upon to provide professional consultation or services cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

Fire Prevention Week is October 4 ndash 10 2009 Visit wwwfirepreventionweekorg or call 800-344-3555 for moreinformation NFPA Seminars - Apply the codes with confidenceRegister at wwwnfpalearnorg NFPA Membership keeps you up-to-dateVisit wwwnfpaorgjoin for more information Or call 800-344-3555Notice The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for theexclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential andor privileged information If you are not the intendedrecipient please notify Robert Benedetti immediately by replying to the message or by calling (617) 984-7433 Please deletethis message and any attachments from your system Thank you

From Hamilton James P (HOY) [mailtoHAMILTONJPbechteljacobsorg] Sent Thursday September 10 2009 1224 PMTo Benedetti BobSubject NFPA 30A 2008 Edition

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Importance High

NFPA 30A 672 states at least one additional device or disconnect shall be readily accessible toeach group of dispensing devices on an individual island Our installation does not have islands Should the second emergency shutoff be installed close to the pumps or between 20 and 100 ofthe pumps

Please respond back via email hamiltonjpbechteljacobsorg

Thanks

NFPA 127130 James P Hamilton CFPSTetraTek Inc - Fire Safety TechnologiesFire Protection LeadK-27 Pre-Demo Project 790 Emory Valley Rd 811 Oak Ridge TN 37830 ETTP Office 865-241-1902

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From Benedetti BobTo Scott DavonskiCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Tuesday August 04 2009 92429 AM

Good morning Mr Davonski My opinion is that the intent of the requirement in Subsection 1141 of NFPA 30A Code for Motor FuelDispensing Facilities and Repair Garages is that any hose longer than 18 feet should not simply bestrung along the dockrsquos surface Using a reel would be one means of securing the hose although Irsquomsure other methods such as hangers would work as well Please understand that this response to your inquiry is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 of NFPArsquos RegulationsGoverning Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitively determine compliance with anylaws ordinances rules or regulations To determine the adequacy or safety of any device or installationyou should consult with an appropriate professional To determine legal compliance you should refer tothe appropriate authority having jurisdiction or seek legal advice I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will be happy toassist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarily represent the official positionof the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it berelied upon to provide professional consultation or services cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

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From Scott Davonski [mailtodavonskiRiverheadlicom] Sent Wednesday July 22 2009 1118 AMTo Benedetti BobSubject 30A clarification

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1141 All hose shall be listed Where hose length exceeds 55 m (18 ft) the hose shall besecured so as to protect it from damage Can you provide clarification as to what is meant by ldquosecured so as to protect it fromdamagerdquo Is the standard looking not to have the hoses on the dock In a reel Any clarificationinformation would be appreciated Scott W DavonskiChief Fire MarshalTown of RiverheadP- 631-727-3200 ext 209F- 631-727-3370

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Page 29: TECHNICAL COMMITTEE ON AUTOMOTIVE and MARINE … · SUBJECT: Agenda for ROC Meeting – October 4, 2010 _____ Ladies and Gentlemen: Attached is the Agenda for the NFPA 30A Report

From Benedetti BobTo bcotnerswriorgCc Harrington Greg Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiBcc May PaulSubject Inquiry NFPA 30 amp NFPA 30ADate Thursday July 08 2010 121900 PM

Good Morning Mr Cotner Greg Harrington asked that I respond to your question about the proper use ofintermediate bulk containers Actually an intermediate bulk container is a shipping vessel that must meetrequirements and specifications of the U S Department of Transportation for shippingmaterials from Point A to Point B It is not intended to be a storage vessel althoughthe liquid contained is obviously dispensed from the vessel for use Dispensing of motor fuels is covered by NFPA 30A Code for Motor Fuel DispensingFacilities and Repair Garages NFPA 30A states in Subsection 421 421 Liquids shall be stored in the following(1) Approved closed containers that do not exceed 227 L (60 gal) capacity and arelocated outside buildings(2) Tanks or approved closed containers located inside motor fuel dispensingfacilities or repair garages(3) Aboveground tanks underground tanks and containers in accordance with therequirements of Section 43(4) Tanks supplying marine service stations in accordance with Section 112 Section 43 states the following 432 Aboveground Storage Tanks Except as modified by the provisions of thissubsection aboveground storage tanks shall meet all applicable requirements ofChapters 21 through 23 and 27 of NFPA 30 Flammable and Combustible Liquids Code So in accordance with NFPA 30A Subsection 421(3) indicates that abovegroundstorage of motor fuel must be in a tank that meets the provisions of Section 43 Thelatter in turn references the Chapters in NFPA 30 that deal with fixed storage tanks Nowhere in these chapters is there any reference to an intermediate bulk container Chapter 9 of NFPA 30 does recognize an intermediate bulk container for warehouse-type storage of Class I flammable liquids but does not anticipate continual dispensingand use One could evaluate an intermediate bulk container as a means of long-term storageand dispensing of liquids under the Equivalency clause My opinion is that an intermediate bulk container is not considered a substitute for anaboveground storage tank but this is not specifically stated in the relevant codes This issue will be added to the agendas for the Technical Committees involved Please understand that this response is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 ofNFPArsquos Regulations Governing Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon todefinitively determine compliance with any laws ordinances rules or regulations Todetermine legal compliance you should refer to the appropriate authority havingjurisdiction or seek legal advice It is not intended nor should it be relied upon toprovide professional consultation or services To determine the adequacy or safety ofany device or installation you should consult with an appropriate professional

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I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write Iwill be happy to assist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant toNFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does notnecessarily represent the official position of the NFPA or its Technical Committees Inaddition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it be relied upon to provideprofessional consultation or services cc 30IFI 30AIFI AUVNM FLCSWCNM FLCTANNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

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From Harrington Greg Sent Wednesday July 07 2010 350 PMTo Benedetti BobSubject FW Intermediate Bulk Containers Hi Bob Can you answer the question below Hersquos a friend of mine former inspector with San Antonio FD when Iworked down there now a safety guy at SWRI Thanks a lot --Greg

From Bill Cotner [mailtobcotnerswriorg] Sent Wednesday July 07 2010 332 PMTo Harrington GregSubject Intermediate Bulk Containers Hey Greg howrsquos the heat in Boston here it is a balmy 93 enjoying it I have a question probably out ofyour area but Irsquom sure you know who to route it to We have a group here that wants to dispense fuelfrom a stainless steel IBC into test engines I donrsquot think that is the intended use or what it has beenlisted for Can I get some guidance on this issue I appreciate anything you can do for me Bill Bill CotnerSenior Fire SpecialistEnvironmental Safety and Quality SystemsSouthwest Research InstitutePhone (210) 522-5101Fax (210) 522-5093Mobile (210) 669-7005Email bcotner swriorg

From Benedetti BobTo Ebanks DesmondCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiBcc May PaulSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Monday June 14 2010 35400 PM

Good afternoon Mr Ebanks The intent of Subsection 422 of NFPA 30A Code for Motor Fuel Dispensing Facilities and RepairGarages is that there be no direct piped connection between the aboveground storage tank inthe bulk plant and the fuel dispensing device in the motor fuel dispensing facility In my opinionthis includes any intervening underground storage tank The hazard being addressed is the potential to overfill the underground storage tank due to thestatic head of the liquid in the aboveground storage tank Please understand that this response is a personal opinion and does not constitute a FormalInterpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 of NFPArsquos RegulationsGoverning Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitively determine compliancewith any laws ordinances rules or regulations To determine legal compliance you shouldrefer to the appropriate authority having jurisdiction or seek legal advice It is not intended norshould it be relied upon to provide professional consultation or services To determine theadequacy or safety of any device or installation you should consult with an appropriateprofessional I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will behappy to assist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPARegulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarilyrepresent the official position of the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition thiscorrespondence is neither intended nor should it be relied upon to provide professional consultation orservices cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg Attend the premier event for fire life safety and electrical professionals

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From Ebanks Desmond [mailtoDesmondEbanksgovky] Sent Monday May 24 2010 940 AMTo Benedetti BobSubject bulk storage supply to motor fuel facilities Hi Bob NFPA 30A (2003) 422 gives to positions in relation to motor fuel dispensing facilities (mfdf) that I would like to havefurther clarified for Code intent please The first is that dispensing devices at the mfdf shall not be supplied by ASTs located in the bulk plant Does this implythat supply from a UST (underground storage tank) in the bulk storage facility would be acceptable or to the other extentthat even if the bulk AST supplied a loading rack which in turn supplied a UST both in the bulk facility that supplyfrom the bulk AST is still not permitted The second statement refers to any storage tank at the mfdf saying they shall not be connected by piping to bulkfacility ASTs Similarly does this imply that a UST (underground storage tank) in the bulk storage facility would beacceptable or that if the bulk tank was connected to a loading rack and the loading rack connected by non-permanentmeans to an mfdf tank that this would be permissible RegardsDes EbanksAssistant Petroleum InspectorThe Petroleum InspectorateCayman Islands GovernmentAnderson Square 4th floorPO Box 31213Grand CaymanKY1-1205Cayman IslandsOffice 345 244 3458Mobile 345 925 3317Fax 345 949 0920Email desmondebanksgovky

From Benedetti BobTo Shriniwas BodhankarCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiBcc May PaulSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Monday June 14 2010 50100 PM

Good day Sir There has been no discussion by the Technical Committee on Automotive and Marine ServiceStations to alter the separation distances in Table 4324 of NFPA 30A Code for Motor FuelDispensing Facilities and Repair Garages as they pertain to liquid fuels including high flashpoint diesel fuels Also there have been no proposals to make such a change to NFPA 30A I trust this answers your question R P Benedetti cc -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

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From Shriniwas Bodhankar [mailtobodhankarenoccom] Sent Tuesday June 01 2010 536 AMTo Maynard Mary Benedetti BobSubject NFPA 30 A Dear sir Reference is made to table no 4324 of NFPA code 30A specifying the minimum distance between storagetanks and dispensing equipment A dispenser should be placed minimum 50 feet away from a bunded abovegroundsteel tank to meet this requirementIn our opinion this is too stringent and uncalled for in case of high flash diesel ( Flash point above 65 degreecentigrade) A bunded tank where spill can be contained within bund is as safe as a vaulted tankfire resistanttankprotected tank Therefore it is equally safe to install an approved dispensing device immediately outside thebund provided the vent of the tank is 4 meters above the grade level on which the dispensing device is installedVarious international oil companies like SHELL amp BP carry similar installations for their fleet customers of dieselMoreover there are standard skids being marketed in EUROPE (even for gasoline) which have storage tanks and

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dispensers on same skid and such an arrangement is accepted by ldquoAuthority Having Jurisdictionrdquo(AHJ)Kindly advise if this standard requirement is being reviewed or otherwise if based on performance based designsuch a requirement may be waived or considered as ldquo highly recommendedrdquo in the leastBased on your feedback we wish to discuss this with AHJ in UAE Regards Regards Shriniwas BodhankarSenior EHS Compliance Officer( Special Projects)Group EHSQ Compliance DepartmentEmirates National Oil Company Limited (ENOC) LLC ENOC House I PO Box 6442Dubai United Arab EmiratesDirect +971 4 313 4437Fax +971 4 313 4482bodhankarenoccom | wwwenoccom

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From Benedetti BobTo EActonccfireusCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiBcc May PaulSubject Inquiry NFPA 30A amp NFPA 30Date Monday August 02 2010 44400 PMAttachments DSC06169JPG

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Good day Mr Acton Fire protection provisions for major and minor repair garages and ldquolube-onlyrdquofacilities which is the topic of your concern are provided in NFPA 30A Code for MotorFuel Dispensing Facilities and Repair Garages currently 2008 edition Chapter 5 ofNFPA 30A covers piping systems but its specific provisions focus on piping systemsbetween fuel storage tanks and fuel dispensers Chapter 5 also directly referencesChapter 27 of the 2008 edition of NFPA 30 Flammable and Combustible Liquids Code(successor to Chapter 5 of the 2003 edition) Subsection 527 of NFPA 30A allows piping made from low-melting point materials tobe installed in exposed areas but only in specific locations These are limited tocontainment sumps under dispensers containment sumps for underground fuelstorage tanks and sumps for below-grade piping connections Chapter 5 of NFPA 30Ais silent on piping inside buildings Therefore the user is left with the provisions ofChapter 27 of NFPA 30 NFPA 30 in turn does allow piping fabricated of low melting point materials to beused exposed outdoors or inside buildings with the following provisions ldquo27441 Such materials shall be permitted to be used outdoors above ground orinside buildings provided they meet one of the following conditions (1) They are resistant to damage by fire(2) They are located so that any leakage resulting from failure will not exposepersons important buildings or structures(3) They are located where leakage can be controlled by operation of one or moreaccessible remotely located valvesrdquo Regardless of the material of construction of the piping and components the followinggeneral requirement from Chapter 27 of NFPA 30 always applies ldquo273 General Requirements2731 Performance Standards The design fabrication assembly test and inspectionof piping systems shall be suitable for the working pressures and structural stresses tobe encountered by the piping system Compliance with applicable sections of ASMEB31 Code for Pressure Piping and the provisions of this chapter shall be consideredprima facie evidence of compliance with the foregoing provisions2732 Tightness of Piping Piping systems shall be maintained liquidtight A pipingsystem that has leaks that constitute a hazard shall be emptied of liquid or repaired ina manner acceptable to the authority having jurisdictionrdquo Your interpretation of Subsection 511 of the 2003 edition of NFPA 30 (2711 in the2008 edition) is correct the chapter applies to any piping system that handles aflammable or combustible liquid regardless of pressure Likewise you are correct thatthe piping system must meet the provisions of ASME B31 for the material chosen andthe anticipated operating pressures and temperatures (531 in the 2003 edition 2741 in the 2008 edition) However low melting point materials (aluminum copperbrass and polymeric materials) are allowed under the provisions of Subsection 534(2003 edition) and 2744 (2008 edition) What must be determined is does thepiping system comply with one of the conditions stated in 27441 as stated above

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Please understand that this response is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 ofNFPArsquos Regulations Governing Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon todefinitively determine compliance with any laws ordinances rules or regulations Todetermine legal compliance you should refer to the appropriate authority havingjurisdiction or seek legal advice It is not intended nor should it be relied upon toprovide professional consultation or services To determine the adequacy or safety ofany device or installation you should consult with an appropriate professional I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write Iwill be happy to assist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant toNFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does notnecessarily represent the official position of the NFPA or its Technical Committees Inaddition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it be relied upon to provideprofessional consultation or services cc 30IFI 30AIFI AUVNM FLCTANNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

If you have a reported fire in your home the risk of dyingdecreases by about 80 percent when sprinklers are present

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From Eric Acton [mailtoEActonccfireus] Sent Monday July 19 2010 636 PMTo Benedetti BobSubject InterpretationOpinion request

Good day My name is Eric Acton I am the Fire Marshal for Campbell CountyWyoming and Irsquom employed by Campbell County Fire Department My NFPA

membership number is 2755369 My mailing and email addresses are listed below I am in need of a technical opinion regarding 2003 NFPA 30 Chapter 5 or morecurrently 2008 NFPA 30A Chapter 5 Some brief project backgroundAn owner within my jurisdiction has built a commercial lube-oil center to servicecustomersrsquo vehicles A ldquopitrdquo exists below the service bay to allow workers to drainthe oil from the vehicle then workers on the main floor refill the oil by use ofpressurized nozzles Several motor oil storage tanks are located in the pitaccounting for several brands and viscosities of oil The tanks are designed to befilled by use of a piping system which extends from an exterior connection vault toeach of the storage tanks using gravity to move the product in the fill-pipingsystem The material the owner chose to construct the fill-piping system wasldquostandardrdquo 1-12rdquo Schedule 40 PVC and Parker Series 7094 Electrically Non-Conductive rubber hose The piping system is exposed it is not underground nor isit protected from flame by means of a fire-rated chase Having identified the use of combustible liquids in this occupancy I utilized 2006International Fire Code (as adopted by my jurisdiction) Chapter 34 Flammable andCombustible Liquids to review and inspect the project IFC Section 340362referred me to NFPA 30 Chapter 5 for the construction materials to use where Iinterpreted (2003 version) 30511 to mean that the piping system components (pipetubing flanges bolting gaskets valves fittingshellip) must meet the requirementsregardless of pressure And that the following components specified in theparagraph must meet the requirements ONLY if they contained pressure ndashhelliprdquoexpansion joints and strainers and devices such thathelliprdquo I further interpreted(2003 version) 30531 Material Specifications similarly in that the ldquoPipe valvesfaucets couplingshelliprdquo must meet the requirements regardless of pressure while ldquohellipother pressure-containing partshelliprdquo meant ONLY the other parts that containedpressure Verbatim to 30511 is encountered in 2008 NFPA 30A Chapter 5paragraph 51 Scope The owner states his piping complies with the standard cited because it is gravity-fed hence no ldquopressurerdquo is seen by the piping components I maintain that thepiping system shall consist of metal pipe (or another material meeting therequirements of ASME B31 as allowed by 2003 NFPA 30531) to comply with NFPA30 and IFC Some assistance to resolve this problem is greatly appreciated I have attachedsome photographs for clarification Thanks for your attentionEric

Eric ActonFire MarshalCampbell County Fire Department 106 Rohan Avenue Gillette WY 82716 (307) 682-5319 ext 8912(307) 686-2222 Fax(307) 680-9612 Cell

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From Benedetti BobTo Howard Jim (Woodbridge)Cc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiBcc May PaulSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Monday June 28 2010 115100 AM

Good morning Mr Howard First I appreciate your patience with me while I reviewed the information sent to meby yourself and Mr Luby of Veeder-Root I wanted to ensure that I thoroughlyunderstood how the system functions in its line leak detection mode My understanding of the arrangement of the piping system from the pair ofunderground storage tanks is that the electronic line leak detector the PLLD tests thesupply piping from the two submersible pumps to the dispensers as a single system This includes the direct piping run from the master pump to the dispensers AND thepiping that connects the slave pump to the direct piping run The intent of Subsection 642 of the 2008 edition of NFPA 30A Code for Motor FuelDispensing Facilities and Repair Garages is to ensure that some type of leak detectiondevice monitors the piping from the submersible pump to the dispensers in such amanner that a leak in the piping leading to the dispensers or in the dispensersthemselves is detected and notification of a leak given Since the two pumps act intandem and since the entire piping system from the pumps to the dispensers ismonitored my personal opinion is that the intent of Subsection 642 is met andevaluation of the system described as being equivalent to what is required bySubsection 642 is reasonable Whether the system described meets the criteria of Section 15 Equivalency of NFPA30A must be determined by the authority having jurisdiction As NFPA Staff Liaison forNFPA 30A I cannot make such a determination under NFPArsquos Regulations GoverningCommittee Projects Please understand that this response is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 ofNFPArsquos Regulations Governing Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon todefinitively determine compliance with any laws ordinances rules or regulations Todetermine legal compliance you should refer to the appropriate authority havingjurisdiction or seek legal advice It is not intended nor should it be relied upon toprovide professional consultation or services To determine the adequacy or safety ofany device or installation you should consult with an appropriate professional I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write Iwill be happy to assist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant toNFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does notnecessarily represent the official position of the NFPA or its Technical Committees Inaddition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it be relied upon to provideprofessional consultation or services cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids Engineer

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National Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

If you have a reported fire in your home the risk of dyingdecreases by about 80 percent when sprinklers are present

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From Howard Jim (Woodbridge) [mailtoJHowardhesscom] Sent Monday June 14 2010 1144 AMTo Benedetti BobCc Howard Jim (Woodbridge) Bob Luby Subject Importance High Bob It was a pleasure talking to you this morning regarding the Line Leak Detection applicationin place at Hess Station 08501 - Milltown DE (drawing attached) as well as several thousandlocations worldwide Here is some background information on this installation

Site had 3 - 10000 gallon gasoline tanks 1 - 10000 Regular (87) 1 - 10000 Plus (89) 1 - 10000 Premium (93) prior to our Dispenser Replacement Project Because of theoverwhelming demand for Regular gasoline (887 in 2009) we converted the existingPlus tank to additional Regular storageDispensers were replaced with new Blend Dispensers Tanks were not manifoldedRegular and former-Plus product lines were manifolded at each dispenserWe installed Veeder-Root PLLDs (Electronic Line Leak Detectors) on the Regular 1and Premium STPs We installed a non-vented Swift Check on Regular 2 (formerPlus) STP Because the PLLD is vented we MUST install a non-vented swift check onRegular STP 2 in order to test the system as a wholeWe have demonstrated via post-construction testing that the system will pick up a 3gph leak

The State of DE has questioned our compliance with NFPA 30A 642 Each pump shallhave installed on the discharge side a listed leak detection device that will provide an audibleor visible indication if the piping or a dispenser is leaking Each leak-detecting device shallbe checked and tested at least annually according to the manufacturers specifications toensure proper installation and operation

Can you comment on whether the system shown on the attached and described above and onour call meets the NFPA requirement or if it meets the definition of Equivalency as definedin Chapter 15 - Equivalency Thank you in advance for your consideration in this matter Please do not hesitate to contactme if there are any questions or concerns on this application ThanksJim Howard RFMPManager Maintenance amp UST ComplianceHess Corporation732-750-6220 (office)800-903-4801 (Emergency Hotline)E-mail UST Inspections to USTCompliancehesscomFax UST Inspections to 866-435-6744

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From Benedetti BobTo Gary KostalCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiBcc May PaulSubject Inquiry NFPA 30 NFPA 30ADate Tuesday August 10 2010 43200 PM

Good afternoon Mr Kostal There are no provisions in NFPA 30 Flammable and Combustible Liquids Code togovern dispensing of motor fuels into motorized equipment and the devices youdescribe are not mentioned at all in NFPA 30 or in the only other related NFPAdocument that might apply NFPA 30A Code for Motor Fuel Dispensing Facilities andRepair Garages I cannot say that these units are either allowed or disallowed because neither NFPA30 nor NFPA 30A speaks about them The only provisions that might apply are the quantity limitations established in thesetwo codes depending on which code applies If the maintenance building is considered an industrial occupancy then Chapter 9 ofNFPA 30 establishes a maximum allowable quantity for of 120 gallons for Class Iliquids (The maximum allowable quantity is actually a threshold value Up to theMAQ compliance with NFPA 30 is not required above it NFPA 30 applies) If the maintenance building is considered a repair garage then NFPA 30A takesprecedence It also sets a 120 gallon limit on the maximum quantity of Class I liquid In both cases the quantity of fuel involved is 50 percent of the maximum allowed Myopinion is that there is no violation of either NFPA 30 or NFPA 30A Please understand that this response is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 ofNFPArsquos Regulations Governing Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon todefinitively determine compliance with any laws ordinances rules or regulations Todetermine legal compliance you should refer to the appropriate authority havingjurisdiction or seek legal advice It is not intended nor should it be relied upon toprovide professional consultation or services To determine the adequacy or safety ofany device or installation you should consult with an appropriate professional I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write Iwill be happy to assist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant toNFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does notnecessarily represent the official position of the NFPA or its Technical Committees Inaddition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it be relied upon to provideprofessional consultation or services cc 30IFI 30AIFI-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch Park

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Quincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg Important Notice This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPA RegulationsAny opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarily represent the officialposition of the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition this correspondence is neither intended norshould it be relied upon to provide professional consultation or services

Visit wwwfirepreventionweekorg or call 800-344-3555 for more information Check out FPW on social mediahellipwwwtwittercomfpw2010wwwfacebookcomfirepreventionweekhttpnfpatypepadcomfpw Check out NFPA onhellip

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From Gary Kostal [mailtogarykbloomingdalefirecom] Sent Monday August 09 2010 328 PMTo Benedetti BobSubject Looking for assistance - portable gas caddies Membership 2329840 Gary KostalFire Prevention DirectorBloomingdale Fire District Question (Non-formal opinion) I have a country club where they service a very large number of lawn maintenance equipment on a dailybasis They are utilizing a portable gas container (gas caddy) that holds approximately 30 gallons ofgasoline The unit is equipped with a hand style pump which is located on the top of the tank Fuel isdispensed from this tank as you crank the pump There are no nozzles located on the hose These gascaddies are being used inside their maintenance building which is fully fire sprinkled They are presentlyusing two of these devices inside the same building which is basically one days use

My question is are these devices allowed for this type of dispensing Are they required to be equippedwith a self closing nozzle What NFPA sections would apply to this particular type of device Thank you for your assistance in this matter

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From Benedetti BobTo SheldonSchallWisconsingovCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Wednesday September 30 2009 45929 PM

Good afternoon Sheldon I will here provide more detailed answers to your questions as posed in the email you sent to me today Section 30A-4323 limits tank storage capacity for Class I and II No limit for Class IIIA or IIIB

You are correct The intent of 4323 is to limit the capacities only of those tanks that storeClass I and II liquids Recall that when NFPA 30A initially allowed aboveground storage tanks atvehicle fueling sites biofuels were not in the picture just gasoline (Class I) and diesel fuel (ClassII) The Technical Committee at the time did not conceive that there would be the need to storeClass III fuels because there werenrsquot any The bottom line NFPA 30A does not limit the capacityof an aboveground storage tank that holds a motor fuel that is a Class III liquid

Section 30A-4324 refers to setbacks in Table 4324 No indication that these setbacks are specific toor exclude any class of flammable or combustible so it appears that the setbacks apply to Class I -Class IIIB liquids This table appears to conflict with the previous section for Class IIIA amp IIIB liquids

This is again correct that the separation distances in Table 4324 are not specific to anyparticular Class of liquid There is no conflict however 4323 deals with tank capacities 4324 deals with separation distances for the tanks Since 4324 does not specify anyparticular liquid class(es) it applies to ALL liquid classes

Section 30A-4325 allows an increased capacity for Class II and III liquids at fleet facilities Thisappears to conflict with section 4323 for Class III liquids which didnt have a capacity limit to startwith

Here there is a conflict or at least a serious inconsistency This provision was added one or twoeditions after 4323 and it appears that biofuels are beginning to be recognized It also appearsthat the intent here was to allow a relaxation of one limit in favor of a more liberal one Theproblem is the original limit doesnrsquot exist making it arguable that the application of 4325 toClass III liquids is meaningless Given the obvious intent here for some limit on Class III liquidfuels 4323 should be amended to include Class IIIs

Section 30A-4327 addresses dispensing from an aboveground tank for Class I and II liquids based uponspecific conditions

Paragraph 4322 is a hold-over dating back to when service stations were covered in Chapter 7of the old versions of NFPA 30 This set of requirements should also be amended to include ClassIIIs

Section 30A-4328 refers to NFPA 30-2171 for spill and overfill This section only applies to class Iand II liquids

While it is true that Subsection 2171 of NFPA 30 only applies to Classes I and II I do not believeit is a conflict for NFPA 30A to also apply it to Class III as well if the Technical Committee it isappropriate to do so However the language needs to be improved or an Annex item should beadded to explain the extrapolation and the reason for it

I will add this to the next meetingrsquos agenda for the Technical Committee on Automotive and MarineService Stations As usual the following applies Please understand that this response to your inquiry is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 of NFPArsquos RegulationsGoverning Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitively determine compliance with anylaws ordinances rules or regulations To determine the adequacy or safety of any device or installationyou should consult with an appropriate professional To determine legal compliance you should refer tothe appropriate authority having jurisdiction or seek legal advice

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I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will be happy toassist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarily represent the official positionof the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it berelied upon to provide professional consultation or services cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

Fire Prevention Week is October 4 ndash 10 2009 Visit wwwfirepreventionweekorg or call 800-344-3555 for moreinformation NFPA Seminars - Apply the codes with confidenceRegister at wwwnfpalearnorg NFPA Membership keeps you up-to-dateVisit wwwnfpaorgjoin for more information Or call 800-344-3555Notice The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for theexclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential andor privileged information If you are not the intendedrecipient please notify Robert Benedetti immediately by replying to the message or by calling (617) 984-7433 Please deletethis message and any attachments from your system Thank you Considering the variables in the sections referenced above are the setbacks in Table 4324 intended toapply to Class IIIA andor Class IIIB liquids for public fueling

From Schall Sheldon - COMMERCE [mailtoSheldonSchallWisconsingov] Sent Wednesday September 30 2009 832 AMTo Benedetti BobSubject NFPA 30A-4324 inquiry - URGENT Section 30A-4323 limits tank storage capacity for Class I and II No limit for Class IIIA or IIIB trueSection 30A-4324 refers to setbacks in Table 4324 No indication that these setbacks are specific toor exclude any class of flammable or combustible so it appears that the setbacks apply to Class I -Class IIIB liquids This table appears to conflict with the previous section for Class IIIA amp IIIB liquids Also trueSection 30A-4325 allows an increased capacity for Class II and III liquids at fleet facilities Thisappears to conflict with section 4323 for Class III liquids which didnt have a capacity limit to startwith Either one or the other needs to changeSection 30A-4327 addresses dispensing from an aboveground tank for Class I and II liquids based uponspecific conditions Need to cover IIIBSection 30A-4328 refers to NFPA 30-2171 for spill and overfill This section only applies to class Iand II liquids Class IIIs need to be specifically addressed Considering the variables in the sections referenced above are the setbacks in Table 4324 intended toapply to Class IIIA andor Class IIIB liquids for public fueling

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From Benedetti BobTo Bill HickmanCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Monday December 14 2009 50332 PM

Good afternoon Mr Hickman To answer your question the separation distances in Table 4324 of NFPA 30A Code for MotorFuel Dispensing Facilities and Repair Garages are intended to apply to outside abovegroundstorage tanks for fuel where such is allowed The tanks inside a service station building majorrepair garage or minor repair garage would likely be handling Class IIIB liquids (flash point gt200 degF) only in accordance with Subsection 4392 of NFPA 30A Subsection 4392 does not set any specific requirements for separation between tanks inside abuilding although it does refer back to Chapters 21 through 23 of NFPA 30 Flammable andCombustible Liquids Code Shell-to-shell spacing distances for aboveground tanks areestablished in Table 22421 Table 22421 is intended for much large tanks than one wouldfind in a repair garage or ldquolube-onlyrdquo facility For example the minimum separation for tanksstoring Class IIIB liquids is 3 feet as set forth in 224212 But again the separationdistances in Chapter 22 of NFPA 30 are intended for tank farm application not for the muchsmaller tanks found in the type of occupancy governed by NFPA 30A Also any facility meeting the requirements of NFPA 30A is considered to be in compliance withNFPA 30 Please understand that this response to your inquiry is a personal opinion and does notconstitute a Formal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 ofNFPArsquos Regulations Governing Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitivelydetermine compliance with any laws ordinances rules or regulations To determine theadequacy or safety of any device or installation you should consult with an appropriateprofessional To determine legal compliance you should refer to the appropriate authorityhaving jurisdiction or seek legal advice I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will behappy to assist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPARegulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarilyrepresent the official position of the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition thiscorrespondence is neither intended nor should it be relied upon to provide professional consultation orservices cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg If you have a reported fire in your home the risk of dyingdecreases by about 80 percent when sprinklers are present

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From Bill Hickman [mailtoBillHickmanstatecous] Sent Tuesday December 01 2009 939 AMTo Benedetti BobSubject Inquiry NFPA 30A - Storage of Liquids Inside Buildings Mr Benedetti Id appreciate your interpretation on an item regarding aboveground tanks storing lubricants (newused oil) inside abuilding at a repair garage NFPA 30A 439 does not include specific spacing requirements for tanks inside buildings Where there are multiple tanks being stored inside the building is there no minimum separation distance requirementthat must be met or do the requirements of Table 4324 apply Thank you in advance for your assistance __________________________________ Bill HickmanInspectorTechnical SpecialistCO Division of Oil amp Public Safety303-378-5090

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From Benedetti BobTo Peznowski EdwardCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Thursday September 03 2009 30455 PM

Hi Ed The 1996 edition of the Flammable and Combustible Liquids Code Handbook was the last one prior to thecurrent 2008 edition The commentary hasnrsquot changed My recollection of the development of this text is that the intent of NFPA 30A Code for Motor FuelDispensing Facilities and Repair Garages is to isolate the motor fuel dispensing area and its attendanthazard completely from the rest of the structure regardless of what else might be in the structure Subsection 524 assumes that the installation involves a motor fuel dispensing operation inside abuilding where you would not expect to have same such as an office building A bus repair facility wouldbe probably classed as a major repair garage and would be expected to have fueling operations Thehazard of this is in my opinion no greater than the repair operations It could be that the language in Subsection 524 needs to be clarified so that it applies only to situationssuch as I first described Please understand that this response to your inquiry is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 of NFPArsquos RegulationsGoverning Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitively determine compliance with anylaws ordinances rules or regulations To determine the adequacy or safety of any device or installationyou should consult with an appropriate professional To determine legal compliance you should refer tothe appropriate authority having jurisdiction or seek legal advice I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will be happy toassist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarily represent the official positionof the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it berelied upon to provide professional consultation or services cc 30AIFI 30AFAQ AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

Fire Prevention Week is October 4 ndash 10 2009 Visit wwwfirepreventionweekorg or call 800-344-3555 for moreinformation NFPA Seminars - Apply the codes with confidenceRegister at wwwnfpalearnorg NFPA Membership keeps you up-to-dateVisit wwwnfpaorgjoin for more information Or call 800-344-3555Notice The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for the

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From Peznowski Edward [mailtoEdwardPeznowskipostatectus] Sent Monday August 31 2009 127 PMTo Benedetti BobSubject NFPA 30A Hi Bob Sorry to bother you but I need your help and interpretation of the following section of NFPA 30A 2000edition 524 - All piping inside buildings but outside the motor fuel dispensing area shall be enclosed within ahorizontal chase or a vertical shaft used only for this piping Vertical shafts and horizontal chases shall beconstructed of materials having a fire resistance rating of not less than 2 hours Bob I have a bus repair facility being built and we have fuel dispensing area within the building enclosedwith a 2hr fire resistive separation My question is I have diesel fuel piping coming from two tanks locatedoutside of the building the piping runs outside of the dispensing area does this piping need to be enclosed Ihave the proper UL listed system for through wall penetrations My problem lies here I have natural gas heating fuel oil lines for boilers and diesel fuel line for thegenerator all running through the area outside the 2 hour rated dispensing area which are not required to beenclosed My thought is within the 2 hour fire resistive construction I have storage rooms for grease and oil a office forfuel dispensing Any fuel piping running through these areas would be enclosed but once I go outside my 2hrrated enclosure the piping would not have to be enclosed NFPA 30A (1996edition)6-42 - All fuel and flammable vapor piping inside buildings but outside the service station area shall beenclosed within a horizontal chase or a vertical shaft used only for this piping Vertical shafts and horizontalchases shall be constructed of materials having a fire resistance rating of not less than 2 hoursCOMMENTARY 6-42 The intent of this requirement is to preserve the isolation of the service stationoperation from the rest of the building I donrsquot have the 2000 handbook for commentary Thanks Bob Edward J PeznowskiFire amp Life Safety SpecialistBureau of EngineeringOffice State Fire Marshal860-685-8350

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From Benedetti BobTo Hamilton James P (HOY)Cc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiSubject Inquiry NFPA 30A-2008Date Monday September 14 2009 115041 AM

Good morning Mr Hamilton The intent of this particular provision of Subsection 672 of NFPA 30A Code for Motor Fuel DispensingFacilities and Repair Garages is to ensure that the patron has access to a second disconnect if he or shecannot reach the primary disconnect ie the one that is between 20 and 100 feet from the dispenser In my opinion all of the emergency disconnects required by Section 67 must be at least 20 ft but normore than 100 ft from the nearest dispenser Please understand that this response to your inquiry is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 of NFPArsquos RegulationsGoverning Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitively determine compliance with anylaws ordinances rules or regulations To determine the adequacy or safety of any device or installationyou should consult with an appropriate professional To determine legal compliance you should refer tothe appropriate authority having jurisdiction or seek legal advice I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will be happy toassist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarily represent the official positionof the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it berelied upon to provide professional consultation or services cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

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From Hamilton James P (HOY) [mailtoHAMILTONJPbechteljacobsorg] Sent Thursday September 10 2009 1224 PMTo Benedetti BobSubject NFPA 30A 2008 Edition

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Importance High

NFPA 30A 672 states at least one additional device or disconnect shall be readily accessible toeach group of dispensing devices on an individual island Our installation does not have islands Should the second emergency shutoff be installed close to the pumps or between 20 and 100 ofthe pumps

Please respond back via email hamiltonjpbechteljacobsorg

Thanks

NFPA 127130 James P Hamilton CFPSTetraTek Inc - Fire Safety TechnologiesFire Protection LeadK-27 Pre-Demo Project 790 Emory Valley Rd 811 Oak Ridge TN 37830 ETTP Office 865-241-1902

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From Benedetti BobTo Scott DavonskiCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Tuesday August 04 2009 92429 AM

Good morning Mr Davonski My opinion is that the intent of the requirement in Subsection 1141 of NFPA 30A Code for Motor FuelDispensing Facilities and Repair Garages is that any hose longer than 18 feet should not simply bestrung along the dockrsquos surface Using a reel would be one means of securing the hose although Irsquomsure other methods such as hangers would work as well Please understand that this response to your inquiry is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 of NFPArsquos RegulationsGoverning Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitively determine compliance with anylaws ordinances rules or regulations To determine the adequacy or safety of any device or installationyou should consult with an appropriate professional To determine legal compliance you should refer tothe appropriate authority having jurisdiction or seek legal advice I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will be happy toassist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarily represent the official positionof the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it berelied upon to provide professional consultation or services cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

Fire Prevention Week is October 4 ndash 10 2009 Visit wwwfirepreventionweekorg or call 800-344-3555 for moreinformation NFPA Seminars - Apply the codes with confidenceRegister at wwwnfpalearnorg NFPA Membership keeps you up-to-dateVisit wwwnfpaorgjoin for more information Or call 800-344-3555Notice The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for theexclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential andor privileged information If you are not the intendedrecipient please notify Robert Benedetti immediately by replying to the message or by calling (617) 984-7433 Please deletethis message and any attachments from your system Thank you

From Scott Davonski [mailtodavonskiRiverheadlicom] Sent Wednesday July 22 2009 1118 AMTo Benedetti BobSubject 30A clarification

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1141 All hose shall be listed Where hose length exceeds 55 m (18 ft) the hose shall besecured so as to protect it from damage Can you provide clarification as to what is meant by ldquosecured so as to protect it fromdamagerdquo Is the standard looking not to have the hoses on the dock In a reel Any clarificationinformation would be appreciated Scott W DavonskiChief Fire MarshalTown of RiverheadP- 631-727-3200 ext 209F- 631-727-3370

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Page 30: TECHNICAL COMMITTEE ON AUTOMOTIVE and MARINE … · SUBJECT: Agenda for ROC Meeting – October 4, 2010 _____ Ladies and Gentlemen: Attached is the Agenda for the NFPA 30A Report

I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write Iwill be happy to assist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant toNFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does notnecessarily represent the official position of the NFPA or its Technical Committees Inaddition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it be relied upon to provideprofessional consultation or services cc 30IFI 30AIFI AUVNM FLCSWCNM FLCTANNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

If you have a reported fire in your home the risk of dyingdecreases by about 80 percent when sprinklers are present

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From Harrington Greg Sent Wednesday July 07 2010 350 PMTo Benedetti BobSubject FW Intermediate Bulk Containers Hi Bob Can you answer the question below Hersquos a friend of mine former inspector with San Antonio FD when Iworked down there now a safety guy at SWRI Thanks a lot --Greg

From Bill Cotner [mailtobcotnerswriorg] Sent Wednesday July 07 2010 332 PMTo Harrington GregSubject Intermediate Bulk Containers Hey Greg howrsquos the heat in Boston here it is a balmy 93 enjoying it I have a question probably out ofyour area but Irsquom sure you know who to route it to We have a group here that wants to dispense fuelfrom a stainless steel IBC into test engines I donrsquot think that is the intended use or what it has beenlisted for Can I get some guidance on this issue I appreciate anything you can do for me Bill Bill CotnerSenior Fire SpecialistEnvironmental Safety and Quality SystemsSouthwest Research InstitutePhone (210) 522-5101Fax (210) 522-5093Mobile (210) 669-7005Email bcotner swriorg

From Benedetti BobTo Ebanks DesmondCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiBcc May PaulSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Monday June 14 2010 35400 PM

Good afternoon Mr Ebanks The intent of Subsection 422 of NFPA 30A Code for Motor Fuel Dispensing Facilities and RepairGarages is that there be no direct piped connection between the aboveground storage tank inthe bulk plant and the fuel dispensing device in the motor fuel dispensing facility In my opinionthis includes any intervening underground storage tank The hazard being addressed is the potential to overfill the underground storage tank due to thestatic head of the liquid in the aboveground storage tank Please understand that this response is a personal opinion and does not constitute a FormalInterpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 of NFPArsquos RegulationsGoverning Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitively determine compliancewith any laws ordinances rules or regulations To determine legal compliance you shouldrefer to the appropriate authority having jurisdiction or seek legal advice It is not intended norshould it be relied upon to provide professional consultation or services To determine theadequacy or safety of any device or installation you should consult with an appropriateprofessional I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will behappy to assist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPARegulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarilyrepresent the official position of the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition thiscorrespondence is neither intended nor should it be relied upon to provide professional consultation orservices cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg Attend the premier event for fire life safety and electrical professionals

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From Ebanks Desmond [mailtoDesmondEbanksgovky] Sent Monday May 24 2010 940 AMTo Benedetti BobSubject bulk storage supply to motor fuel facilities Hi Bob NFPA 30A (2003) 422 gives to positions in relation to motor fuel dispensing facilities (mfdf) that I would like to havefurther clarified for Code intent please The first is that dispensing devices at the mfdf shall not be supplied by ASTs located in the bulk plant Does this implythat supply from a UST (underground storage tank) in the bulk storage facility would be acceptable or to the other extentthat even if the bulk AST supplied a loading rack which in turn supplied a UST both in the bulk facility that supplyfrom the bulk AST is still not permitted The second statement refers to any storage tank at the mfdf saying they shall not be connected by piping to bulkfacility ASTs Similarly does this imply that a UST (underground storage tank) in the bulk storage facility would beacceptable or that if the bulk tank was connected to a loading rack and the loading rack connected by non-permanentmeans to an mfdf tank that this would be permissible RegardsDes EbanksAssistant Petroleum InspectorThe Petroleum InspectorateCayman Islands GovernmentAnderson Square 4th floorPO Box 31213Grand CaymanKY1-1205Cayman IslandsOffice 345 244 3458Mobile 345 925 3317Fax 345 949 0920Email desmondebanksgovky

From Benedetti BobTo Shriniwas BodhankarCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiBcc May PaulSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Monday June 14 2010 50100 PM

Good day Sir There has been no discussion by the Technical Committee on Automotive and Marine ServiceStations to alter the separation distances in Table 4324 of NFPA 30A Code for Motor FuelDispensing Facilities and Repair Garages as they pertain to liquid fuels including high flashpoint diesel fuels Also there have been no proposals to make such a change to NFPA 30A I trust this answers your question R P Benedetti cc -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

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From Shriniwas Bodhankar [mailtobodhankarenoccom] Sent Tuesday June 01 2010 536 AMTo Maynard Mary Benedetti BobSubject NFPA 30 A Dear sir Reference is made to table no 4324 of NFPA code 30A specifying the minimum distance between storagetanks and dispensing equipment A dispenser should be placed minimum 50 feet away from a bunded abovegroundsteel tank to meet this requirementIn our opinion this is too stringent and uncalled for in case of high flash diesel ( Flash point above 65 degreecentigrade) A bunded tank where spill can be contained within bund is as safe as a vaulted tankfire resistanttankprotected tank Therefore it is equally safe to install an approved dispensing device immediately outside thebund provided the vent of the tank is 4 meters above the grade level on which the dispensing device is installedVarious international oil companies like SHELL amp BP carry similar installations for their fleet customers of dieselMoreover there are standard skids being marketed in EUROPE (even for gasoline) which have storage tanks and

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dispensers on same skid and such an arrangement is accepted by ldquoAuthority Having Jurisdictionrdquo(AHJ)Kindly advise if this standard requirement is being reviewed or otherwise if based on performance based designsuch a requirement may be waived or considered as ldquo highly recommendedrdquo in the leastBased on your feedback we wish to discuss this with AHJ in UAE Regards Regards Shriniwas BodhankarSenior EHS Compliance Officer( Special Projects)Group EHSQ Compliance DepartmentEmirates National Oil Company Limited (ENOC) LLC ENOC House I PO Box 6442Dubai United Arab EmiratesDirect +971 4 313 4437Fax +971 4 313 4482bodhankarenoccom | wwwenoccom

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From Benedetti BobTo EActonccfireusCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiBcc May PaulSubject Inquiry NFPA 30A amp NFPA 30Date Monday August 02 2010 44400 PMAttachments DSC06169JPG

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Good day Mr Acton Fire protection provisions for major and minor repair garages and ldquolube-onlyrdquofacilities which is the topic of your concern are provided in NFPA 30A Code for MotorFuel Dispensing Facilities and Repair Garages currently 2008 edition Chapter 5 ofNFPA 30A covers piping systems but its specific provisions focus on piping systemsbetween fuel storage tanks and fuel dispensers Chapter 5 also directly referencesChapter 27 of the 2008 edition of NFPA 30 Flammable and Combustible Liquids Code(successor to Chapter 5 of the 2003 edition) Subsection 527 of NFPA 30A allows piping made from low-melting point materials tobe installed in exposed areas but only in specific locations These are limited tocontainment sumps under dispensers containment sumps for underground fuelstorage tanks and sumps for below-grade piping connections Chapter 5 of NFPA 30Ais silent on piping inside buildings Therefore the user is left with the provisions ofChapter 27 of NFPA 30 NFPA 30 in turn does allow piping fabricated of low melting point materials to beused exposed outdoors or inside buildings with the following provisions ldquo27441 Such materials shall be permitted to be used outdoors above ground orinside buildings provided they meet one of the following conditions (1) They are resistant to damage by fire(2) They are located so that any leakage resulting from failure will not exposepersons important buildings or structures(3) They are located where leakage can be controlled by operation of one or moreaccessible remotely located valvesrdquo Regardless of the material of construction of the piping and components the followinggeneral requirement from Chapter 27 of NFPA 30 always applies ldquo273 General Requirements2731 Performance Standards The design fabrication assembly test and inspectionof piping systems shall be suitable for the working pressures and structural stresses tobe encountered by the piping system Compliance with applicable sections of ASMEB31 Code for Pressure Piping and the provisions of this chapter shall be consideredprima facie evidence of compliance with the foregoing provisions2732 Tightness of Piping Piping systems shall be maintained liquidtight A pipingsystem that has leaks that constitute a hazard shall be emptied of liquid or repaired ina manner acceptable to the authority having jurisdictionrdquo Your interpretation of Subsection 511 of the 2003 edition of NFPA 30 (2711 in the2008 edition) is correct the chapter applies to any piping system that handles aflammable or combustible liquid regardless of pressure Likewise you are correct thatthe piping system must meet the provisions of ASME B31 for the material chosen andthe anticipated operating pressures and temperatures (531 in the 2003 edition 2741 in the 2008 edition) However low melting point materials (aluminum copperbrass and polymeric materials) are allowed under the provisions of Subsection 534(2003 edition) and 2744 (2008 edition) What must be determined is does thepiping system comply with one of the conditions stated in 27441 as stated above

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Please understand that this response is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 ofNFPArsquos Regulations Governing Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon todefinitively determine compliance with any laws ordinances rules or regulations Todetermine legal compliance you should refer to the appropriate authority havingjurisdiction or seek legal advice It is not intended nor should it be relied upon toprovide professional consultation or services To determine the adequacy or safety ofany device or installation you should consult with an appropriate professional I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write Iwill be happy to assist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant toNFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does notnecessarily represent the official position of the NFPA or its Technical Committees Inaddition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it be relied upon to provideprofessional consultation or services cc 30IFI 30AIFI AUVNM FLCTANNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

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From Eric Acton [mailtoEActonccfireus] Sent Monday July 19 2010 636 PMTo Benedetti BobSubject InterpretationOpinion request

Good day My name is Eric Acton I am the Fire Marshal for Campbell CountyWyoming and Irsquom employed by Campbell County Fire Department My NFPA

membership number is 2755369 My mailing and email addresses are listed below I am in need of a technical opinion regarding 2003 NFPA 30 Chapter 5 or morecurrently 2008 NFPA 30A Chapter 5 Some brief project backgroundAn owner within my jurisdiction has built a commercial lube-oil center to servicecustomersrsquo vehicles A ldquopitrdquo exists below the service bay to allow workers to drainthe oil from the vehicle then workers on the main floor refill the oil by use ofpressurized nozzles Several motor oil storage tanks are located in the pitaccounting for several brands and viscosities of oil The tanks are designed to befilled by use of a piping system which extends from an exterior connection vault toeach of the storage tanks using gravity to move the product in the fill-pipingsystem The material the owner chose to construct the fill-piping system wasldquostandardrdquo 1-12rdquo Schedule 40 PVC and Parker Series 7094 Electrically Non-Conductive rubber hose The piping system is exposed it is not underground nor isit protected from flame by means of a fire-rated chase Having identified the use of combustible liquids in this occupancy I utilized 2006International Fire Code (as adopted by my jurisdiction) Chapter 34 Flammable andCombustible Liquids to review and inspect the project IFC Section 340362referred me to NFPA 30 Chapter 5 for the construction materials to use where Iinterpreted (2003 version) 30511 to mean that the piping system components (pipetubing flanges bolting gaskets valves fittingshellip) must meet the requirementsregardless of pressure And that the following components specified in theparagraph must meet the requirements ONLY if they contained pressure ndashhelliprdquoexpansion joints and strainers and devices such thathelliprdquo I further interpreted(2003 version) 30531 Material Specifications similarly in that the ldquoPipe valvesfaucets couplingshelliprdquo must meet the requirements regardless of pressure while ldquohellipother pressure-containing partshelliprdquo meant ONLY the other parts that containedpressure Verbatim to 30511 is encountered in 2008 NFPA 30A Chapter 5paragraph 51 Scope The owner states his piping complies with the standard cited because it is gravity-fed hence no ldquopressurerdquo is seen by the piping components I maintain that thepiping system shall consist of metal pipe (or another material meeting therequirements of ASME B31 as allowed by 2003 NFPA 30531) to comply with NFPA30 and IFC Some assistance to resolve this problem is greatly appreciated I have attachedsome photographs for clarification Thanks for your attentionEric

Eric ActonFire MarshalCampbell County Fire Department 106 Rohan Avenue Gillette WY 82716 (307) 682-5319 ext 8912(307) 686-2222 Fax(307) 680-9612 Cell

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From Benedetti BobTo Howard Jim (Woodbridge)Cc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiBcc May PaulSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Monday June 28 2010 115100 AM

Good morning Mr Howard First I appreciate your patience with me while I reviewed the information sent to meby yourself and Mr Luby of Veeder-Root I wanted to ensure that I thoroughlyunderstood how the system functions in its line leak detection mode My understanding of the arrangement of the piping system from the pair ofunderground storage tanks is that the electronic line leak detector the PLLD tests thesupply piping from the two submersible pumps to the dispensers as a single system This includes the direct piping run from the master pump to the dispensers AND thepiping that connects the slave pump to the direct piping run The intent of Subsection 642 of the 2008 edition of NFPA 30A Code for Motor FuelDispensing Facilities and Repair Garages is to ensure that some type of leak detectiondevice monitors the piping from the submersible pump to the dispensers in such amanner that a leak in the piping leading to the dispensers or in the dispensersthemselves is detected and notification of a leak given Since the two pumps act intandem and since the entire piping system from the pumps to the dispensers ismonitored my personal opinion is that the intent of Subsection 642 is met andevaluation of the system described as being equivalent to what is required bySubsection 642 is reasonable Whether the system described meets the criteria of Section 15 Equivalency of NFPA30A must be determined by the authority having jurisdiction As NFPA Staff Liaison forNFPA 30A I cannot make such a determination under NFPArsquos Regulations GoverningCommittee Projects Please understand that this response is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 ofNFPArsquos Regulations Governing Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon todefinitively determine compliance with any laws ordinances rules or regulations Todetermine legal compliance you should refer to the appropriate authority havingjurisdiction or seek legal advice It is not intended nor should it be relied upon toprovide professional consultation or services To determine the adequacy or safety ofany device or installation you should consult with an appropriate professional I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write Iwill be happy to assist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant toNFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does notnecessarily represent the official position of the NFPA or its Technical Committees Inaddition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it be relied upon to provideprofessional consultation or services cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids Engineer

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National Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

If you have a reported fire in your home the risk of dyingdecreases by about 80 percent when sprinklers are present

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From Howard Jim (Woodbridge) [mailtoJHowardhesscom] Sent Monday June 14 2010 1144 AMTo Benedetti BobCc Howard Jim (Woodbridge) Bob Luby Subject Importance High Bob It was a pleasure talking to you this morning regarding the Line Leak Detection applicationin place at Hess Station 08501 - Milltown DE (drawing attached) as well as several thousandlocations worldwide Here is some background information on this installation

Site had 3 - 10000 gallon gasoline tanks 1 - 10000 Regular (87) 1 - 10000 Plus (89) 1 - 10000 Premium (93) prior to our Dispenser Replacement Project Because of theoverwhelming demand for Regular gasoline (887 in 2009) we converted the existingPlus tank to additional Regular storageDispensers were replaced with new Blend Dispensers Tanks were not manifoldedRegular and former-Plus product lines were manifolded at each dispenserWe installed Veeder-Root PLLDs (Electronic Line Leak Detectors) on the Regular 1and Premium STPs We installed a non-vented Swift Check on Regular 2 (formerPlus) STP Because the PLLD is vented we MUST install a non-vented swift check onRegular STP 2 in order to test the system as a wholeWe have demonstrated via post-construction testing that the system will pick up a 3gph leak

The State of DE has questioned our compliance with NFPA 30A 642 Each pump shallhave installed on the discharge side a listed leak detection device that will provide an audibleor visible indication if the piping or a dispenser is leaking Each leak-detecting device shallbe checked and tested at least annually according to the manufacturers specifications toensure proper installation and operation

Can you comment on whether the system shown on the attached and described above and onour call meets the NFPA requirement or if it meets the definition of Equivalency as definedin Chapter 15 - Equivalency Thank you in advance for your consideration in this matter Please do not hesitate to contactme if there are any questions or concerns on this application ThanksJim Howard RFMPManager Maintenance amp UST ComplianceHess Corporation732-750-6220 (office)800-903-4801 (Emergency Hotline)E-mail UST Inspections to USTCompliancehesscomFax UST Inspections to 866-435-6744

This e-mail and any attachments are for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may containinformation that is confidential If you are not the intended recipient(s) and have received this e-mail in error please immediately notify the sender by return e-mail and delete this e-mail fromyour computer Any distribution disclosure or the taking of any other action by anyone other thanthe intended recipient(s) is strictly prohibited

From Benedetti BobTo Gary KostalCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiBcc May PaulSubject Inquiry NFPA 30 NFPA 30ADate Tuesday August 10 2010 43200 PM

Good afternoon Mr Kostal There are no provisions in NFPA 30 Flammable and Combustible Liquids Code togovern dispensing of motor fuels into motorized equipment and the devices youdescribe are not mentioned at all in NFPA 30 or in the only other related NFPAdocument that might apply NFPA 30A Code for Motor Fuel Dispensing Facilities andRepair Garages I cannot say that these units are either allowed or disallowed because neither NFPA30 nor NFPA 30A speaks about them The only provisions that might apply are the quantity limitations established in thesetwo codes depending on which code applies If the maintenance building is considered an industrial occupancy then Chapter 9 ofNFPA 30 establishes a maximum allowable quantity for of 120 gallons for Class Iliquids (The maximum allowable quantity is actually a threshold value Up to theMAQ compliance with NFPA 30 is not required above it NFPA 30 applies) If the maintenance building is considered a repair garage then NFPA 30A takesprecedence It also sets a 120 gallon limit on the maximum quantity of Class I liquid In both cases the quantity of fuel involved is 50 percent of the maximum allowed Myopinion is that there is no violation of either NFPA 30 or NFPA 30A Please understand that this response is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 ofNFPArsquos Regulations Governing Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon todefinitively determine compliance with any laws ordinances rules or regulations Todetermine legal compliance you should refer to the appropriate authority havingjurisdiction or seek legal advice It is not intended nor should it be relied upon toprovide professional consultation or services To determine the adequacy or safety ofany device or installation you should consult with an appropriate professional I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write Iwill be happy to assist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant toNFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does notnecessarily represent the official position of the NFPA or its Technical Committees Inaddition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it be relied upon to provideprofessional consultation or services cc 30IFI 30AIFI-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch Park

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Quincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg Important Notice This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPA RegulationsAny opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarily represent the officialposition of the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition this correspondence is neither intended norshould it be relied upon to provide professional consultation or services

Visit wwwfirepreventionweekorg or call 800-344-3555 for more information Check out FPW on social mediahellipwwwtwittercomfpw2010wwwfacebookcomfirepreventionweekhttpnfpatypepadcomfpw Check out NFPA onhellip

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From Gary Kostal [mailtogarykbloomingdalefirecom] Sent Monday August 09 2010 328 PMTo Benedetti BobSubject Looking for assistance - portable gas caddies Membership 2329840 Gary KostalFire Prevention DirectorBloomingdale Fire District Question (Non-formal opinion) I have a country club where they service a very large number of lawn maintenance equipment on a dailybasis They are utilizing a portable gas container (gas caddy) that holds approximately 30 gallons ofgasoline The unit is equipped with a hand style pump which is located on the top of the tank Fuel isdispensed from this tank as you crank the pump There are no nozzles located on the hose These gascaddies are being used inside their maintenance building which is fully fire sprinkled They are presentlyusing two of these devices inside the same building which is basically one days use

My question is are these devices allowed for this type of dispensing Are they required to be equippedwith a self closing nozzle What NFPA sections would apply to this particular type of device Thank you for your assistance in this matter

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From Benedetti BobTo SheldonSchallWisconsingovCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Wednesday September 30 2009 45929 PM

Good afternoon Sheldon I will here provide more detailed answers to your questions as posed in the email you sent to me today Section 30A-4323 limits tank storage capacity for Class I and II No limit for Class IIIA or IIIB

You are correct The intent of 4323 is to limit the capacities only of those tanks that storeClass I and II liquids Recall that when NFPA 30A initially allowed aboveground storage tanks atvehicle fueling sites biofuels were not in the picture just gasoline (Class I) and diesel fuel (ClassII) The Technical Committee at the time did not conceive that there would be the need to storeClass III fuels because there werenrsquot any The bottom line NFPA 30A does not limit the capacityof an aboveground storage tank that holds a motor fuel that is a Class III liquid

Section 30A-4324 refers to setbacks in Table 4324 No indication that these setbacks are specific toor exclude any class of flammable or combustible so it appears that the setbacks apply to Class I -Class IIIB liquids This table appears to conflict with the previous section for Class IIIA amp IIIB liquids

This is again correct that the separation distances in Table 4324 are not specific to anyparticular Class of liquid There is no conflict however 4323 deals with tank capacities 4324 deals with separation distances for the tanks Since 4324 does not specify anyparticular liquid class(es) it applies to ALL liquid classes

Section 30A-4325 allows an increased capacity for Class II and III liquids at fleet facilities Thisappears to conflict with section 4323 for Class III liquids which didnt have a capacity limit to startwith

Here there is a conflict or at least a serious inconsistency This provision was added one or twoeditions after 4323 and it appears that biofuels are beginning to be recognized It also appearsthat the intent here was to allow a relaxation of one limit in favor of a more liberal one Theproblem is the original limit doesnrsquot exist making it arguable that the application of 4325 toClass III liquids is meaningless Given the obvious intent here for some limit on Class III liquidfuels 4323 should be amended to include Class IIIs

Section 30A-4327 addresses dispensing from an aboveground tank for Class I and II liquids based uponspecific conditions

Paragraph 4322 is a hold-over dating back to when service stations were covered in Chapter 7of the old versions of NFPA 30 This set of requirements should also be amended to include ClassIIIs

Section 30A-4328 refers to NFPA 30-2171 for spill and overfill This section only applies to class Iand II liquids

While it is true that Subsection 2171 of NFPA 30 only applies to Classes I and II I do not believeit is a conflict for NFPA 30A to also apply it to Class III as well if the Technical Committee it isappropriate to do so However the language needs to be improved or an Annex item should beadded to explain the extrapolation and the reason for it

I will add this to the next meetingrsquos agenda for the Technical Committee on Automotive and MarineService Stations As usual the following applies Please understand that this response to your inquiry is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 of NFPArsquos RegulationsGoverning Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitively determine compliance with anylaws ordinances rules or regulations To determine the adequacy or safety of any device or installationyou should consult with an appropriate professional To determine legal compliance you should refer tothe appropriate authority having jurisdiction or seek legal advice

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I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will be happy toassist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarily represent the official positionof the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it berelied upon to provide professional consultation or services cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

Fire Prevention Week is October 4 ndash 10 2009 Visit wwwfirepreventionweekorg or call 800-344-3555 for moreinformation NFPA Seminars - Apply the codes with confidenceRegister at wwwnfpalearnorg NFPA Membership keeps you up-to-dateVisit wwwnfpaorgjoin for more information Or call 800-344-3555Notice The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for theexclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential andor privileged information If you are not the intendedrecipient please notify Robert Benedetti immediately by replying to the message or by calling (617) 984-7433 Please deletethis message and any attachments from your system Thank you Considering the variables in the sections referenced above are the setbacks in Table 4324 intended toapply to Class IIIA andor Class IIIB liquids for public fueling

From Schall Sheldon - COMMERCE [mailtoSheldonSchallWisconsingov] Sent Wednesday September 30 2009 832 AMTo Benedetti BobSubject NFPA 30A-4324 inquiry - URGENT Section 30A-4323 limits tank storage capacity for Class I and II No limit for Class IIIA or IIIB trueSection 30A-4324 refers to setbacks in Table 4324 No indication that these setbacks are specific toor exclude any class of flammable or combustible so it appears that the setbacks apply to Class I -Class IIIB liquids This table appears to conflict with the previous section for Class IIIA amp IIIB liquids Also trueSection 30A-4325 allows an increased capacity for Class II and III liquids at fleet facilities Thisappears to conflict with section 4323 for Class III liquids which didnt have a capacity limit to startwith Either one or the other needs to changeSection 30A-4327 addresses dispensing from an aboveground tank for Class I and II liquids based uponspecific conditions Need to cover IIIBSection 30A-4328 refers to NFPA 30-2171 for spill and overfill This section only applies to class Iand II liquids Class IIIs need to be specifically addressed Considering the variables in the sections referenced above are the setbacks in Table 4324 intended toapply to Class IIIA andor Class IIIB liquids for public fueling

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From Benedetti BobTo Bill HickmanCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Monday December 14 2009 50332 PM

Good afternoon Mr Hickman To answer your question the separation distances in Table 4324 of NFPA 30A Code for MotorFuel Dispensing Facilities and Repair Garages are intended to apply to outside abovegroundstorage tanks for fuel where such is allowed The tanks inside a service station building majorrepair garage or minor repair garage would likely be handling Class IIIB liquids (flash point gt200 degF) only in accordance with Subsection 4392 of NFPA 30A Subsection 4392 does not set any specific requirements for separation between tanks inside abuilding although it does refer back to Chapters 21 through 23 of NFPA 30 Flammable andCombustible Liquids Code Shell-to-shell spacing distances for aboveground tanks areestablished in Table 22421 Table 22421 is intended for much large tanks than one wouldfind in a repair garage or ldquolube-onlyrdquo facility For example the minimum separation for tanksstoring Class IIIB liquids is 3 feet as set forth in 224212 But again the separationdistances in Chapter 22 of NFPA 30 are intended for tank farm application not for the muchsmaller tanks found in the type of occupancy governed by NFPA 30A Also any facility meeting the requirements of NFPA 30A is considered to be in compliance withNFPA 30 Please understand that this response to your inquiry is a personal opinion and does notconstitute a Formal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 ofNFPArsquos Regulations Governing Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitivelydetermine compliance with any laws ordinances rules or regulations To determine theadequacy or safety of any device or installation you should consult with an appropriateprofessional To determine legal compliance you should refer to the appropriate authorityhaving jurisdiction or seek legal advice I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will behappy to assist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPARegulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarilyrepresent the official position of the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition thiscorrespondence is neither intended nor should it be relied upon to provide professional consultation orservices cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg If you have a reported fire in your home the risk of dyingdecreases by about 80 percent when sprinklers are present

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From Bill Hickman [mailtoBillHickmanstatecous] Sent Tuesday December 01 2009 939 AMTo Benedetti BobSubject Inquiry NFPA 30A - Storage of Liquids Inside Buildings Mr Benedetti Id appreciate your interpretation on an item regarding aboveground tanks storing lubricants (newused oil) inside abuilding at a repair garage NFPA 30A 439 does not include specific spacing requirements for tanks inside buildings Where there are multiple tanks being stored inside the building is there no minimum separation distance requirementthat must be met or do the requirements of Table 4324 apply Thank you in advance for your assistance __________________________________ Bill HickmanInspectorTechnical SpecialistCO Division of Oil amp Public Safety303-378-5090

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From Benedetti BobTo Peznowski EdwardCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Thursday September 03 2009 30455 PM

Hi Ed The 1996 edition of the Flammable and Combustible Liquids Code Handbook was the last one prior to thecurrent 2008 edition The commentary hasnrsquot changed My recollection of the development of this text is that the intent of NFPA 30A Code for Motor FuelDispensing Facilities and Repair Garages is to isolate the motor fuel dispensing area and its attendanthazard completely from the rest of the structure regardless of what else might be in the structure Subsection 524 assumes that the installation involves a motor fuel dispensing operation inside abuilding where you would not expect to have same such as an office building A bus repair facility wouldbe probably classed as a major repair garage and would be expected to have fueling operations Thehazard of this is in my opinion no greater than the repair operations It could be that the language in Subsection 524 needs to be clarified so that it applies only to situationssuch as I first described Please understand that this response to your inquiry is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 of NFPArsquos RegulationsGoverning Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitively determine compliance with anylaws ordinances rules or regulations To determine the adequacy or safety of any device or installationyou should consult with an appropriate professional To determine legal compliance you should refer tothe appropriate authority having jurisdiction or seek legal advice I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will be happy toassist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarily represent the official positionof the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it berelied upon to provide professional consultation or services cc 30AIFI 30AFAQ AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

Fire Prevention Week is October 4 ndash 10 2009 Visit wwwfirepreventionweekorg or call 800-344-3555 for moreinformation NFPA Seminars - Apply the codes with confidenceRegister at wwwnfpalearnorg NFPA Membership keeps you up-to-dateVisit wwwnfpaorgjoin for more information Or call 800-344-3555Notice The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for the

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exclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential andor privileged information If you are not the intendedrecipient please notify Robert Benedetti immediately by replying to the message or by calling (617) 984-7433 Please deletethis message and any attachments from your system Thank you

From Peznowski Edward [mailtoEdwardPeznowskipostatectus] Sent Monday August 31 2009 127 PMTo Benedetti BobSubject NFPA 30A Hi Bob Sorry to bother you but I need your help and interpretation of the following section of NFPA 30A 2000edition 524 - All piping inside buildings but outside the motor fuel dispensing area shall be enclosed within ahorizontal chase or a vertical shaft used only for this piping Vertical shafts and horizontal chases shall beconstructed of materials having a fire resistance rating of not less than 2 hours Bob I have a bus repair facility being built and we have fuel dispensing area within the building enclosedwith a 2hr fire resistive separation My question is I have diesel fuel piping coming from two tanks locatedoutside of the building the piping runs outside of the dispensing area does this piping need to be enclosed Ihave the proper UL listed system for through wall penetrations My problem lies here I have natural gas heating fuel oil lines for boilers and diesel fuel line for thegenerator all running through the area outside the 2 hour rated dispensing area which are not required to beenclosed My thought is within the 2 hour fire resistive construction I have storage rooms for grease and oil a office forfuel dispensing Any fuel piping running through these areas would be enclosed but once I go outside my 2hrrated enclosure the piping would not have to be enclosed NFPA 30A (1996edition)6-42 - All fuel and flammable vapor piping inside buildings but outside the service station area shall beenclosed within a horizontal chase or a vertical shaft used only for this piping Vertical shafts and horizontalchases shall be constructed of materials having a fire resistance rating of not less than 2 hoursCOMMENTARY 6-42 The intent of this requirement is to preserve the isolation of the service stationoperation from the rest of the building I donrsquot have the 2000 handbook for commentary Thanks Bob Edward J PeznowskiFire amp Life Safety SpecialistBureau of EngineeringOffice State Fire Marshal860-685-8350

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From Benedetti BobTo Hamilton James P (HOY)Cc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiSubject Inquiry NFPA 30A-2008Date Monday September 14 2009 115041 AM

Good morning Mr Hamilton The intent of this particular provision of Subsection 672 of NFPA 30A Code for Motor Fuel DispensingFacilities and Repair Garages is to ensure that the patron has access to a second disconnect if he or shecannot reach the primary disconnect ie the one that is between 20 and 100 feet from the dispenser In my opinion all of the emergency disconnects required by Section 67 must be at least 20 ft but normore than 100 ft from the nearest dispenser Please understand that this response to your inquiry is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 of NFPArsquos RegulationsGoverning Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitively determine compliance with anylaws ordinances rules or regulations To determine the adequacy or safety of any device or installationyou should consult with an appropriate professional To determine legal compliance you should refer tothe appropriate authority having jurisdiction or seek legal advice I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will be happy toassist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarily represent the official positionof the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it berelied upon to provide professional consultation or services cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

Fire Prevention Week is October 4 ndash 10 2009 Visit wwwfirepreventionweekorg or call 800-344-3555 for moreinformation NFPA Seminars - Apply the codes with confidenceRegister at wwwnfpalearnorg NFPA Membership keeps you up-to-dateVisit wwwnfpaorgjoin for more information Or call 800-344-3555Notice The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for theexclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential andor privileged information If you are not the intendedrecipient please notify Robert Benedetti immediately by replying to the message or by calling (617) 984-7433 Please deletethis message and any attachments from your system Thank you

From Hamilton James P (HOY) [mailtoHAMILTONJPbechteljacobsorg] Sent Thursday September 10 2009 1224 PMTo Benedetti BobSubject NFPA 30A 2008 Edition

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Importance High

NFPA 30A 672 states at least one additional device or disconnect shall be readily accessible toeach group of dispensing devices on an individual island Our installation does not have islands Should the second emergency shutoff be installed close to the pumps or between 20 and 100 ofthe pumps

Please respond back via email hamiltonjpbechteljacobsorg

Thanks

NFPA 127130 James P Hamilton CFPSTetraTek Inc - Fire Safety TechnologiesFire Protection LeadK-27 Pre-Demo Project 790 Emory Valley Rd 811 Oak Ridge TN 37830 ETTP Office 865-241-1902

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From Benedetti BobTo Scott DavonskiCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Tuesday August 04 2009 92429 AM

Good morning Mr Davonski My opinion is that the intent of the requirement in Subsection 1141 of NFPA 30A Code for Motor FuelDispensing Facilities and Repair Garages is that any hose longer than 18 feet should not simply bestrung along the dockrsquos surface Using a reel would be one means of securing the hose although Irsquomsure other methods such as hangers would work as well Please understand that this response to your inquiry is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 of NFPArsquos RegulationsGoverning Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitively determine compliance with anylaws ordinances rules or regulations To determine the adequacy or safety of any device or installationyou should consult with an appropriate professional To determine legal compliance you should refer tothe appropriate authority having jurisdiction or seek legal advice I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will be happy toassist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarily represent the official positionof the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it berelied upon to provide professional consultation or services cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

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From Scott Davonski [mailtodavonskiRiverheadlicom] Sent Wednesday July 22 2009 1118 AMTo Benedetti BobSubject 30A clarification

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1141 All hose shall be listed Where hose length exceeds 55 m (18 ft) the hose shall besecured so as to protect it from damage Can you provide clarification as to what is meant by ldquosecured so as to protect it fromdamagerdquo Is the standard looking not to have the hoses on the dock In a reel Any clarificationinformation would be appreciated Scott W DavonskiChief Fire MarshalTown of RiverheadP- 631-727-3200 ext 209F- 631-727-3370

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Page 31: TECHNICAL COMMITTEE ON AUTOMOTIVE and MARINE … · SUBJECT: Agenda for ROC Meeting – October 4, 2010 _____ Ladies and Gentlemen: Attached is the Agenda for the NFPA 30A Report

From Bill Cotner [mailtobcotnerswriorg] Sent Wednesday July 07 2010 332 PMTo Harrington GregSubject Intermediate Bulk Containers Hey Greg howrsquos the heat in Boston here it is a balmy 93 enjoying it I have a question probably out ofyour area but Irsquom sure you know who to route it to We have a group here that wants to dispense fuelfrom a stainless steel IBC into test engines I donrsquot think that is the intended use or what it has beenlisted for Can I get some guidance on this issue I appreciate anything you can do for me Bill Bill CotnerSenior Fire SpecialistEnvironmental Safety and Quality SystemsSouthwest Research InstitutePhone (210) 522-5101Fax (210) 522-5093Mobile (210) 669-7005Email bcotner swriorg

From Benedetti BobTo Ebanks DesmondCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiBcc May PaulSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Monday June 14 2010 35400 PM

Good afternoon Mr Ebanks The intent of Subsection 422 of NFPA 30A Code for Motor Fuel Dispensing Facilities and RepairGarages is that there be no direct piped connection between the aboveground storage tank inthe bulk plant and the fuel dispensing device in the motor fuel dispensing facility In my opinionthis includes any intervening underground storage tank The hazard being addressed is the potential to overfill the underground storage tank due to thestatic head of the liquid in the aboveground storage tank Please understand that this response is a personal opinion and does not constitute a FormalInterpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 of NFPArsquos RegulationsGoverning Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitively determine compliancewith any laws ordinances rules or regulations To determine legal compliance you shouldrefer to the appropriate authority having jurisdiction or seek legal advice It is not intended norshould it be relied upon to provide professional consultation or services To determine theadequacy or safety of any device or installation you should consult with an appropriateprofessional I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will behappy to assist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPARegulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarilyrepresent the official position of the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition thiscorrespondence is neither intended nor should it be relied upon to provide professional consultation orservices cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg Attend the premier event for fire life safety and electrical professionals

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From Ebanks Desmond [mailtoDesmondEbanksgovky] Sent Monday May 24 2010 940 AMTo Benedetti BobSubject bulk storage supply to motor fuel facilities Hi Bob NFPA 30A (2003) 422 gives to positions in relation to motor fuel dispensing facilities (mfdf) that I would like to havefurther clarified for Code intent please The first is that dispensing devices at the mfdf shall not be supplied by ASTs located in the bulk plant Does this implythat supply from a UST (underground storage tank) in the bulk storage facility would be acceptable or to the other extentthat even if the bulk AST supplied a loading rack which in turn supplied a UST both in the bulk facility that supplyfrom the bulk AST is still not permitted The second statement refers to any storage tank at the mfdf saying they shall not be connected by piping to bulkfacility ASTs Similarly does this imply that a UST (underground storage tank) in the bulk storage facility would beacceptable or that if the bulk tank was connected to a loading rack and the loading rack connected by non-permanentmeans to an mfdf tank that this would be permissible RegardsDes EbanksAssistant Petroleum InspectorThe Petroleum InspectorateCayman Islands GovernmentAnderson Square 4th floorPO Box 31213Grand CaymanKY1-1205Cayman IslandsOffice 345 244 3458Mobile 345 925 3317Fax 345 949 0920Email desmondebanksgovky

From Benedetti BobTo Shriniwas BodhankarCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiBcc May PaulSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Monday June 14 2010 50100 PM

Good day Sir There has been no discussion by the Technical Committee on Automotive and Marine ServiceStations to alter the separation distances in Table 4324 of NFPA 30A Code for Motor FuelDispensing Facilities and Repair Garages as they pertain to liquid fuels including high flashpoint diesel fuels Also there have been no proposals to make such a change to NFPA 30A I trust this answers your question R P Benedetti cc -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

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From Shriniwas Bodhankar [mailtobodhankarenoccom] Sent Tuesday June 01 2010 536 AMTo Maynard Mary Benedetti BobSubject NFPA 30 A Dear sir Reference is made to table no 4324 of NFPA code 30A specifying the minimum distance between storagetanks and dispensing equipment A dispenser should be placed minimum 50 feet away from a bunded abovegroundsteel tank to meet this requirementIn our opinion this is too stringent and uncalled for in case of high flash diesel ( Flash point above 65 degreecentigrade) A bunded tank where spill can be contained within bund is as safe as a vaulted tankfire resistanttankprotected tank Therefore it is equally safe to install an approved dispensing device immediately outside thebund provided the vent of the tank is 4 meters above the grade level on which the dispensing device is installedVarious international oil companies like SHELL amp BP carry similar installations for their fleet customers of dieselMoreover there are standard skids being marketed in EUROPE (even for gasoline) which have storage tanks and

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dispensers on same skid and such an arrangement is accepted by ldquoAuthority Having Jurisdictionrdquo(AHJ)Kindly advise if this standard requirement is being reviewed or otherwise if based on performance based designsuch a requirement may be waived or considered as ldquo highly recommendedrdquo in the leastBased on your feedback we wish to discuss this with AHJ in UAE Regards Regards Shriniwas BodhankarSenior EHS Compliance Officer( Special Projects)Group EHSQ Compliance DepartmentEmirates National Oil Company Limited (ENOC) LLC ENOC House I PO Box 6442Dubai United Arab EmiratesDirect +971 4 313 4437Fax +971 4 313 4482bodhankarenoccom | wwwenoccom

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From Benedetti BobTo EActonccfireusCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiBcc May PaulSubject Inquiry NFPA 30A amp NFPA 30Date Monday August 02 2010 44400 PMAttachments DSC06169JPG

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Good day Mr Acton Fire protection provisions for major and minor repair garages and ldquolube-onlyrdquofacilities which is the topic of your concern are provided in NFPA 30A Code for MotorFuel Dispensing Facilities and Repair Garages currently 2008 edition Chapter 5 ofNFPA 30A covers piping systems but its specific provisions focus on piping systemsbetween fuel storage tanks and fuel dispensers Chapter 5 also directly referencesChapter 27 of the 2008 edition of NFPA 30 Flammable and Combustible Liquids Code(successor to Chapter 5 of the 2003 edition) Subsection 527 of NFPA 30A allows piping made from low-melting point materials tobe installed in exposed areas but only in specific locations These are limited tocontainment sumps under dispensers containment sumps for underground fuelstorage tanks and sumps for below-grade piping connections Chapter 5 of NFPA 30Ais silent on piping inside buildings Therefore the user is left with the provisions ofChapter 27 of NFPA 30 NFPA 30 in turn does allow piping fabricated of low melting point materials to beused exposed outdoors or inside buildings with the following provisions ldquo27441 Such materials shall be permitted to be used outdoors above ground orinside buildings provided they meet one of the following conditions (1) They are resistant to damage by fire(2) They are located so that any leakage resulting from failure will not exposepersons important buildings or structures(3) They are located where leakage can be controlled by operation of one or moreaccessible remotely located valvesrdquo Regardless of the material of construction of the piping and components the followinggeneral requirement from Chapter 27 of NFPA 30 always applies ldquo273 General Requirements2731 Performance Standards The design fabrication assembly test and inspectionof piping systems shall be suitable for the working pressures and structural stresses tobe encountered by the piping system Compliance with applicable sections of ASMEB31 Code for Pressure Piping and the provisions of this chapter shall be consideredprima facie evidence of compliance with the foregoing provisions2732 Tightness of Piping Piping systems shall be maintained liquidtight A pipingsystem that has leaks that constitute a hazard shall be emptied of liquid or repaired ina manner acceptable to the authority having jurisdictionrdquo Your interpretation of Subsection 511 of the 2003 edition of NFPA 30 (2711 in the2008 edition) is correct the chapter applies to any piping system that handles aflammable or combustible liquid regardless of pressure Likewise you are correct thatthe piping system must meet the provisions of ASME B31 for the material chosen andthe anticipated operating pressures and temperatures (531 in the 2003 edition 2741 in the 2008 edition) However low melting point materials (aluminum copperbrass and polymeric materials) are allowed under the provisions of Subsection 534(2003 edition) and 2744 (2008 edition) What must be determined is does thepiping system comply with one of the conditions stated in 27441 as stated above

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Please understand that this response is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 ofNFPArsquos Regulations Governing Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon todefinitively determine compliance with any laws ordinances rules or regulations Todetermine legal compliance you should refer to the appropriate authority havingjurisdiction or seek legal advice It is not intended nor should it be relied upon toprovide professional consultation or services To determine the adequacy or safety ofany device or installation you should consult with an appropriate professional I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write Iwill be happy to assist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant toNFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does notnecessarily represent the official position of the NFPA or its Technical Committees Inaddition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it be relied upon to provideprofessional consultation or services cc 30IFI 30AIFI AUVNM FLCTANNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

If you have a reported fire in your home the risk of dyingdecreases by about 80 percent when sprinklers are present

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From Eric Acton [mailtoEActonccfireus] Sent Monday July 19 2010 636 PMTo Benedetti BobSubject InterpretationOpinion request

Good day My name is Eric Acton I am the Fire Marshal for Campbell CountyWyoming and Irsquom employed by Campbell County Fire Department My NFPA

membership number is 2755369 My mailing and email addresses are listed below I am in need of a technical opinion regarding 2003 NFPA 30 Chapter 5 or morecurrently 2008 NFPA 30A Chapter 5 Some brief project backgroundAn owner within my jurisdiction has built a commercial lube-oil center to servicecustomersrsquo vehicles A ldquopitrdquo exists below the service bay to allow workers to drainthe oil from the vehicle then workers on the main floor refill the oil by use ofpressurized nozzles Several motor oil storage tanks are located in the pitaccounting for several brands and viscosities of oil The tanks are designed to befilled by use of a piping system which extends from an exterior connection vault toeach of the storage tanks using gravity to move the product in the fill-pipingsystem The material the owner chose to construct the fill-piping system wasldquostandardrdquo 1-12rdquo Schedule 40 PVC and Parker Series 7094 Electrically Non-Conductive rubber hose The piping system is exposed it is not underground nor isit protected from flame by means of a fire-rated chase Having identified the use of combustible liquids in this occupancy I utilized 2006International Fire Code (as adopted by my jurisdiction) Chapter 34 Flammable andCombustible Liquids to review and inspect the project IFC Section 340362referred me to NFPA 30 Chapter 5 for the construction materials to use where Iinterpreted (2003 version) 30511 to mean that the piping system components (pipetubing flanges bolting gaskets valves fittingshellip) must meet the requirementsregardless of pressure And that the following components specified in theparagraph must meet the requirements ONLY if they contained pressure ndashhelliprdquoexpansion joints and strainers and devices such thathelliprdquo I further interpreted(2003 version) 30531 Material Specifications similarly in that the ldquoPipe valvesfaucets couplingshelliprdquo must meet the requirements regardless of pressure while ldquohellipother pressure-containing partshelliprdquo meant ONLY the other parts that containedpressure Verbatim to 30511 is encountered in 2008 NFPA 30A Chapter 5paragraph 51 Scope The owner states his piping complies with the standard cited because it is gravity-fed hence no ldquopressurerdquo is seen by the piping components I maintain that thepiping system shall consist of metal pipe (or another material meeting therequirements of ASME B31 as allowed by 2003 NFPA 30531) to comply with NFPA30 and IFC Some assistance to resolve this problem is greatly appreciated I have attachedsome photographs for clarification Thanks for your attentionEric

Eric ActonFire MarshalCampbell County Fire Department 106 Rohan Avenue Gillette WY 82716 (307) 682-5319 ext 8912(307) 686-2222 Fax(307) 680-9612 Cell

eactonccfireus (No trees were harmed in the production of this e-mail however a huge number of electrons were horribly inconvenienced)

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From Benedetti BobTo Howard Jim (Woodbridge)Cc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiBcc May PaulSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Monday June 28 2010 115100 AM

Good morning Mr Howard First I appreciate your patience with me while I reviewed the information sent to meby yourself and Mr Luby of Veeder-Root I wanted to ensure that I thoroughlyunderstood how the system functions in its line leak detection mode My understanding of the arrangement of the piping system from the pair ofunderground storage tanks is that the electronic line leak detector the PLLD tests thesupply piping from the two submersible pumps to the dispensers as a single system This includes the direct piping run from the master pump to the dispensers AND thepiping that connects the slave pump to the direct piping run The intent of Subsection 642 of the 2008 edition of NFPA 30A Code for Motor FuelDispensing Facilities and Repair Garages is to ensure that some type of leak detectiondevice monitors the piping from the submersible pump to the dispensers in such amanner that a leak in the piping leading to the dispensers or in the dispensersthemselves is detected and notification of a leak given Since the two pumps act intandem and since the entire piping system from the pumps to the dispensers ismonitored my personal opinion is that the intent of Subsection 642 is met andevaluation of the system described as being equivalent to what is required bySubsection 642 is reasonable Whether the system described meets the criteria of Section 15 Equivalency of NFPA30A must be determined by the authority having jurisdiction As NFPA Staff Liaison forNFPA 30A I cannot make such a determination under NFPArsquos Regulations GoverningCommittee Projects Please understand that this response is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 ofNFPArsquos Regulations Governing Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon todefinitively determine compliance with any laws ordinances rules or regulations Todetermine legal compliance you should refer to the appropriate authority havingjurisdiction or seek legal advice It is not intended nor should it be relied upon toprovide professional consultation or services To determine the adequacy or safety ofany device or installation you should consult with an appropriate professional I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write Iwill be happy to assist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant toNFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does notnecessarily represent the official position of the NFPA or its Technical Committees Inaddition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it be relied upon to provideprofessional consultation or services cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids Engineer

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National Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

If you have a reported fire in your home the risk of dyingdecreases by about 80 percent when sprinklers are present

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From Howard Jim (Woodbridge) [mailtoJHowardhesscom] Sent Monday June 14 2010 1144 AMTo Benedetti BobCc Howard Jim (Woodbridge) Bob Luby Subject Importance High Bob It was a pleasure talking to you this morning regarding the Line Leak Detection applicationin place at Hess Station 08501 - Milltown DE (drawing attached) as well as several thousandlocations worldwide Here is some background information on this installation

Site had 3 - 10000 gallon gasoline tanks 1 - 10000 Regular (87) 1 - 10000 Plus (89) 1 - 10000 Premium (93) prior to our Dispenser Replacement Project Because of theoverwhelming demand for Regular gasoline (887 in 2009) we converted the existingPlus tank to additional Regular storageDispensers were replaced with new Blend Dispensers Tanks were not manifoldedRegular and former-Plus product lines were manifolded at each dispenserWe installed Veeder-Root PLLDs (Electronic Line Leak Detectors) on the Regular 1and Premium STPs We installed a non-vented Swift Check on Regular 2 (formerPlus) STP Because the PLLD is vented we MUST install a non-vented swift check onRegular STP 2 in order to test the system as a wholeWe have demonstrated via post-construction testing that the system will pick up a 3gph leak

The State of DE has questioned our compliance with NFPA 30A 642 Each pump shallhave installed on the discharge side a listed leak detection device that will provide an audibleor visible indication if the piping or a dispenser is leaking Each leak-detecting device shallbe checked and tested at least annually according to the manufacturers specifications toensure proper installation and operation

Can you comment on whether the system shown on the attached and described above and onour call meets the NFPA requirement or if it meets the definition of Equivalency as definedin Chapter 15 - Equivalency Thank you in advance for your consideration in this matter Please do not hesitate to contactme if there are any questions or concerns on this application ThanksJim Howard RFMPManager Maintenance amp UST ComplianceHess Corporation732-750-6220 (office)800-903-4801 (Emergency Hotline)E-mail UST Inspections to USTCompliancehesscomFax UST Inspections to 866-435-6744

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From Benedetti BobTo Gary KostalCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiBcc May PaulSubject Inquiry NFPA 30 NFPA 30ADate Tuesday August 10 2010 43200 PM

Good afternoon Mr Kostal There are no provisions in NFPA 30 Flammable and Combustible Liquids Code togovern dispensing of motor fuels into motorized equipment and the devices youdescribe are not mentioned at all in NFPA 30 or in the only other related NFPAdocument that might apply NFPA 30A Code for Motor Fuel Dispensing Facilities andRepair Garages I cannot say that these units are either allowed or disallowed because neither NFPA30 nor NFPA 30A speaks about them The only provisions that might apply are the quantity limitations established in thesetwo codes depending on which code applies If the maintenance building is considered an industrial occupancy then Chapter 9 ofNFPA 30 establishes a maximum allowable quantity for of 120 gallons for Class Iliquids (The maximum allowable quantity is actually a threshold value Up to theMAQ compliance with NFPA 30 is not required above it NFPA 30 applies) If the maintenance building is considered a repair garage then NFPA 30A takesprecedence It also sets a 120 gallon limit on the maximum quantity of Class I liquid In both cases the quantity of fuel involved is 50 percent of the maximum allowed Myopinion is that there is no violation of either NFPA 30 or NFPA 30A Please understand that this response is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 ofNFPArsquos Regulations Governing Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon todefinitively determine compliance with any laws ordinances rules or regulations Todetermine legal compliance you should refer to the appropriate authority havingjurisdiction or seek legal advice It is not intended nor should it be relied upon toprovide professional consultation or services To determine the adequacy or safety ofany device or installation you should consult with an appropriate professional I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write Iwill be happy to assist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant toNFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does notnecessarily represent the official position of the NFPA or its Technical Committees Inaddition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it be relied upon to provideprofessional consultation or services cc 30IFI 30AIFI-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch Park

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Quincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg Important Notice This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPA RegulationsAny opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarily represent the officialposition of the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition this correspondence is neither intended norshould it be relied upon to provide professional consultation or services

Visit wwwfirepreventionweekorg or call 800-344-3555 for more information Check out FPW on social mediahellipwwwtwittercomfpw2010wwwfacebookcomfirepreventionweekhttpnfpatypepadcomfpw Check out NFPA onhellip

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From Gary Kostal [mailtogarykbloomingdalefirecom] Sent Monday August 09 2010 328 PMTo Benedetti BobSubject Looking for assistance - portable gas caddies Membership 2329840 Gary KostalFire Prevention DirectorBloomingdale Fire District Question (Non-formal opinion) I have a country club where they service a very large number of lawn maintenance equipment on a dailybasis They are utilizing a portable gas container (gas caddy) that holds approximately 30 gallons ofgasoline The unit is equipped with a hand style pump which is located on the top of the tank Fuel isdispensed from this tank as you crank the pump There are no nozzles located on the hose These gascaddies are being used inside their maintenance building which is fully fire sprinkled They are presentlyusing two of these devices inside the same building which is basically one days use

My question is are these devices allowed for this type of dispensing Are they required to be equippedwith a self closing nozzle What NFPA sections would apply to this particular type of device Thank you for your assistance in this matter

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From Benedetti BobTo SheldonSchallWisconsingovCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Wednesday September 30 2009 45929 PM

Good afternoon Sheldon I will here provide more detailed answers to your questions as posed in the email you sent to me today Section 30A-4323 limits tank storage capacity for Class I and II No limit for Class IIIA or IIIB

You are correct The intent of 4323 is to limit the capacities only of those tanks that storeClass I and II liquids Recall that when NFPA 30A initially allowed aboveground storage tanks atvehicle fueling sites biofuels were not in the picture just gasoline (Class I) and diesel fuel (ClassII) The Technical Committee at the time did not conceive that there would be the need to storeClass III fuels because there werenrsquot any The bottom line NFPA 30A does not limit the capacityof an aboveground storage tank that holds a motor fuel that is a Class III liquid

Section 30A-4324 refers to setbacks in Table 4324 No indication that these setbacks are specific toor exclude any class of flammable or combustible so it appears that the setbacks apply to Class I -Class IIIB liquids This table appears to conflict with the previous section for Class IIIA amp IIIB liquids

This is again correct that the separation distances in Table 4324 are not specific to anyparticular Class of liquid There is no conflict however 4323 deals with tank capacities 4324 deals with separation distances for the tanks Since 4324 does not specify anyparticular liquid class(es) it applies to ALL liquid classes

Section 30A-4325 allows an increased capacity for Class II and III liquids at fleet facilities Thisappears to conflict with section 4323 for Class III liquids which didnt have a capacity limit to startwith

Here there is a conflict or at least a serious inconsistency This provision was added one or twoeditions after 4323 and it appears that biofuels are beginning to be recognized It also appearsthat the intent here was to allow a relaxation of one limit in favor of a more liberal one Theproblem is the original limit doesnrsquot exist making it arguable that the application of 4325 toClass III liquids is meaningless Given the obvious intent here for some limit on Class III liquidfuels 4323 should be amended to include Class IIIs

Section 30A-4327 addresses dispensing from an aboveground tank for Class I and II liquids based uponspecific conditions

Paragraph 4322 is a hold-over dating back to when service stations were covered in Chapter 7of the old versions of NFPA 30 This set of requirements should also be amended to include ClassIIIs

Section 30A-4328 refers to NFPA 30-2171 for spill and overfill This section only applies to class Iand II liquids

While it is true that Subsection 2171 of NFPA 30 only applies to Classes I and II I do not believeit is a conflict for NFPA 30A to also apply it to Class III as well if the Technical Committee it isappropriate to do so However the language needs to be improved or an Annex item should beadded to explain the extrapolation and the reason for it

I will add this to the next meetingrsquos agenda for the Technical Committee on Automotive and MarineService Stations As usual the following applies Please understand that this response to your inquiry is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 of NFPArsquos RegulationsGoverning Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitively determine compliance with anylaws ordinances rules or regulations To determine the adequacy or safety of any device or installationyou should consult with an appropriate professional To determine legal compliance you should refer tothe appropriate authority having jurisdiction or seek legal advice

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I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will be happy toassist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarily represent the official positionof the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it berelied upon to provide professional consultation or services cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

Fire Prevention Week is October 4 ndash 10 2009 Visit wwwfirepreventionweekorg or call 800-344-3555 for moreinformation NFPA Seminars - Apply the codes with confidenceRegister at wwwnfpalearnorg NFPA Membership keeps you up-to-dateVisit wwwnfpaorgjoin for more information Or call 800-344-3555Notice The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for theexclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential andor privileged information If you are not the intendedrecipient please notify Robert Benedetti immediately by replying to the message or by calling (617) 984-7433 Please deletethis message and any attachments from your system Thank you Considering the variables in the sections referenced above are the setbacks in Table 4324 intended toapply to Class IIIA andor Class IIIB liquids for public fueling

From Schall Sheldon - COMMERCE [mailtoSheldonSchallWisconsingov] Sent Wednesday September 30 2009 832 AMTo Benedetti BobSubject NFPA 30A-4324 inquiry - URGENT Section 30A-4323 limits tank storage capacity for Class I and II No limit for Class IIIA or IIIB trueSection 30A-4324 refers to setbacks in Table 4324 No indication that these setbacks are specific toor exclude any class of flammable or combustible so it appears that the setbacks apply to Class I -Class IIIB liquids This table appears to conflict with the previous section for Class IIIA amp IIIB liquids Also trueSection 30A-4325 allows an increased capacity for Class II and III liquids at fleet facilities Thisappears to conflict with section 4323 for Class III liquids which didnt have a capacity limit to startwith Either one or the other needs to changeSection 30A-4327 addresses dispensing from an aboveground tank for Class I and II liquids based uponspecific conditions Need to cover IIIBSection 30A-4328 refers to NFPA 30-2171 for spill and overfill This section only applies to class Iand II liquids Class IIIs need to be specifically addressed Considering the variables in the sections referenced above are the setbacks in Table 4324 intended toapply to Class IIIA andor Class IIIB liquids for public fueling

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From Benedetti BobTo Bill HickmanCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Monday December 14 2009 50332 PM

Good afternoon Mr Hickman To answer your question the separation distances in Table 4324 of NFPA 30A Code for MotorFuel Dispensing Facilities and Repair Garages are intended to apply to outside abovegroundstorage tanks for fuel where such is allowed The tanks inside a service station building majorrepair garage or minor repair garage would likely be handling Class IIIB liquids (flash point gt200 degF) only in accordance with Subsection 4392 of NFPA 30A Subsection 4392 does not set any specific requirements for separation between tanks inside abuilding although it does refer back to Chapters 21 through 23 of NFPA 30 Flammable andCombustible Liquids Code Shell-to-shell spacing distances for aboveground tanks areestablished in Table 22421 Table 22421 is intended for much large tanks than one wouldfind in a repair garage or ldquolube-onlyrdquo facility For example the minimum separation for tanksstoring Class IIIB liquids is 3 feet as set forth in 224212 But again the separationdistances in Chapter 22 of NFPA 30 are intended for tank farm application not for the muchsmaller tanks found in the type of occupancy governed by NFPA 30A Also any facility meeting the requirements of NFPA 30A is considered to be in compliance withNFPA 30 Please understand that this response to your inquiry is a personal opinion and does notconstitute a Formal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 ofNFPArsquos Regulations Governing Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitivelydetermine compliance with any laws ordinances rules or regulations To determine theadequacy or safety of any device or installation you should consult with an appropriateprofessional To determine legal compliance you should refer to the appropriate authorityhaving jurisdiction or seek legal advice I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will behappy to assist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPARegulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarilyrepresent the official position of the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition thiscorrespondence is neither intended nor should it be relied upon to provide professional consultation orservices cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg If you have a reported fire in your home the risk of dyingdecreases by about 80 percent when sprinklers are present

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From Bill Hickman [mailtoBillHickmanstatecous] Sent Tuesday December 01 2009 939 AMTo Benedetti BobSubject Inquiry NFPA 30A - Storage of Liquids Inside Buildings Mr Benedetti Id appreciate your interpretation on an item regarding aboveground tanks storing lubricants (newused oil) inside abuilding at a repair garage NFPA 30A 439 does not include specific spacing requirements for tanks inside buildings Where there are multiple tanks being stored inside the building is there no minimum separation distance requirementthat must be met or do the requirements of Table 4324 apply Thank you in advance for your assistance __________________________________ Bill HickmanInspectorTechnical SpecialistCO Division of Oil amp Public Safety303-378-5090

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From Benedetti BobTo Peznowski EdwardCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Thursday September 03 2009 30455 PM

Hi Ed The 1996 edition of the Flammable and Combustible Liquids Code Handbook was the last one prior to thecurrent 2008 edition The commentary hasnrsquot changed My recollection of the development of this text is that the intent of NFPA 30A Code for Motor FuelDispensing Facilities and Repair Garages is to isolate the motor fuel dispensing area and its attendanthazard completely from the rest of the structure regardless of what else might be in the structure Subsection 524 assumes that the installation involves a motor fuel dispensing operation inside abuilding where you would not expect to have same such as an office building A bus repair facility wouldbe probably classed as a major repair garage and would be expected to have fueling operations Thehazard of this is in my opinion no greater than the repair operations It could be that the language in Subsection 524 needs to be clarified so that it applies only to situationssuch as I first described Please understand that this response to your inquiry is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 of NFPArsquos RegulationsGoverning Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitively determine compliance with anylaws ordinances rules or regulations To determine the adequacy or safety of any device or installationyou should consult with an appropriate professional To determine legal compliance you should refer tothe appropriate authority having jurisdiction or seek legal advice I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will be happy toassist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarily represent the official positionof the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it berelied upon to provide professional consultation or services cc 30AIFI 30AFAQ AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

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From Peznowski Edward [mailtoEdwardPeznowskipostatectus] Sent Monday August 31 2009 127 PMTo Benedetti BobSubject NFPA 30A Hi Bob Sorry to bother you but I need your help and interpretation of the following section of NFPA 30A 2000edition 524 - All piping inside buildings but outside the motor fuel dispensing area shall be enclosed within ahorizontal chase or a vertical shaft used only for this piping Vertical shafts and horizontal chases shall beconstructed of materials having a fire resistance rating of not less than 2 hours Bob I have a bus repair facility being built and we have fuel dispensing area within the building enclosedwith a 2hr fire resistive separation My question is I have diesel fuel piping coming from two tanks locatedoutside of the building the piping runs outside of the dispensing area does this piping need to be enclosed Ihave the proper UL listed system for through wall penetrations My problem lies here I have natural gas heating fuel oil lines for boilers and diesel fuel line for thegenerator all running through the area outside the 2 hour rated dispensing area which are not required to beenclosed My thought is within the 2 hour fire resistive construction I have storage rooms for grease and oil a office forfuel dispensing Any fuel piping running through these areas would be enclosed but once I go outside my 2hrrated enclosure the piping would not have to be enclosed NFPA 30A (1996edition)6-42 - All fuel and flammable vapor piping inside buildings but outside the service station area shall beenclosed within a horizontal chase or a vertical shaft used only for this piping Vertical shafts and horizontalchases shall be constructed of materials having a fire resistance rating of not less than 2 hoursCOMMENTARY 6-42 The intent of this requirement is to preserve the isolation of the service stationoperation from the rest of the building I donrsquot have the 2000 handbook for commentary Thanks Bob Edward J PeznowskiFire amp Life Safety SpecialistBureau of EngineeringOffice State Fire Marshal860-685-8350

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From Benedetti BobTo Hamilton James P (HOY)Cc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiSubject Inquiry NFPA 30A-2008Date Monday September 14 2009 115041 AM

Good morning Mr Hamilton The intent of this particular provision of Subsection 672 of NFPA 30A Code for Motor Fuel DispensingFacilities and Repair Garages is to ensure that the patron has access to a second disconnect if he or shecannot reach the primary disconnect ie the one that is between 20 and 100 feet from the dispenser In my opinion all of the emergency disconnects required by Section 67 must be at least 20 ft but normore than 100 ft from the nearest dispenser Please understand that this response to your inquiry is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 of NFPArsquos RegulationsGoverning Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitively determine compliance with anylaws ordinances rules or regulations To determine the adequacy or safety of any device or installationyou should consult with an appropriate professional To determine legal compliance you should refer tothe appropriate authority having jurisdiction or seek legal advice I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will be happy toassist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarily represent the official positionof the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it berelied upon to provide professional consultation or services cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

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From Hamilton James P (HOY) [mailtoHAMILTONJPbechteljacobsorg] Sent Thursday September 10 2009 1224 PMTo Benedetti BobSubject NFPA 30A 2008 Edition

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Importance High

NFPA 30A 672 states at least one additional device or disconnect shall be readily accessible toeach group of dispensing devices on an individual island Our installation does not have islands Should the second emergency shutoff be installed close to the pumps or between 20 and 100 ofthe pumps

Please respond back via email hamiltonjpbechteljacobsorg

Thanks

NFPA 127130 James P Hamilton CFPSTetraTek Inc - Fire Safety TechnologiesFire Protection LeadK-27 Pre-Demo Project 790 Emory Valley Rd 811 Oak Ridge TN 37830 ETTP Office 865-241-1902

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From Benedetti BobTo Scott DavonskiCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Tuesday August 04 2009 92429 AM

Good morning Mr Davonski My opinion is that the intent of the requirement in Subsection 1141 of NFPA 30A Code for Motor FuelDispensing Facilities and Repair Garages is that any hose longer than 18 feet should not simply bestrung along the dockrsquos surface Using a reel would be one means of securing the hose although Irsquomsure other methods such as hangers would work as well Please understand that this response to your inquiry is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 of NFPArsquos RegulationsGoverning Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitively determine compliance with anylaws ordinances rules or regulations To determine the adequacy or safety of any device or installationyou should consult with an appropriate professional To determine legal compliance you should refer tothe appropriate authority having jurisdiction or seek legal advice I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will be happy toassist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarily represent the official positionof the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it berelied upon to provide professional consultation or services cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

Fire Prevention Week is October 4 ndash 10 2009 Visit wwwfirepreventionweekorg or call 800-344-3555 for moreinformation NFPA Seminars - Apply the codes with confidenceRegister at wwwnfpalearnorg NFPA Membership keeps you up-to-dateVisit wwwnfpaorgjoin for more information Or call 800-344-3555Notice The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for theexclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential andor privileged information If you are not the intendedrecipient please notify Robert Benedetti immediately by replying to the message or by calling (617) 984-7433 Please deletethis message and any attachments from your system Thank you

From Scott Davonski [mailtodavonskiRiverheadlicom] Sent Wednesday July 22 2009 1118 AMTo Benedetti BobSubject 30A clarification

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1141 All hose shall be listed Where hose length exceeds 55 m (18 ft) the hose shall besecured so as to protect it from damage Can you provide clarification as to what is meant by ldquosecured so as to protect it fromdamagerdquo Is the standard looking not to have the hoses on the dock In a reel Any clarificationinformation would be appreciated Scott W DavonskiChief Fire MarshalTown of RiverheadP- 631-727-3200 ext 209F- 631-727-3370

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Page 32: TECHNICAL COMMITTEE ON AUTOMOTIVE and MARINE … · SUBJECT: Agenda for ROC Meeting – October 4, 2010 _____ Ladies and Gentlemen: Attached is the Agenda for the NFPA 30A Report

From Benedetti BobTo Ebanks DesmondCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiBcc May PaulSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Monday June 14 2010 35400 PM

Good afternoon Mr Ebanks The intent of Subsection 422 of NFPA 30A Code for Motor Fuel Dispensing Facilities and RepairGarages is that there be no direct piped connection between the aboveground storage tank inthe bulk plant and the fuel dispensing device in the motor fuel dispensing facility In my opinionthis includes any intervening underground storage tank The hazard being addressed is the potential to overfill the underground storage tank due to thestatic head of the liquid in the aboveground storage tank Please understand that this response is a personal opinion and does not constitute a FormalInterpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 of NFPArsquos RegulationsGoverning Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitively determine compliancewith any laws ordinances rules or regulations To determine legal compliance you shouldrefer to the appropriate authority having jurisdiction or seek legal advice It is not intended norshould it be relied upon to provide professional consultation or services To determine theadequacy or safety of any device or installation you should consult with an appropriateprofessional I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will behappy to assist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPARegulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarilyrepresent the official position of the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition thiscorrespondence is neither intended nor should it be relied upon to provide professional consultation orservices cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg Attend the premier event for fire life safety and electrical professionals

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From Ebanks Desmond [mailtoDesmondEbanksgovky] Sent Monday May 24 2010 940 AMTo Benedetti BobSubject bulk storage supply to motor fuel facilities Hi Bob NFPA 30A (2003) 422 gives to positions in relation to motor fuel dispensing facilities (mfdf) that I would like to havefurther clarified for Code intent please The first is that dispensing devices at the mfdf shall not be supplied by ASTs located in the bulk plant Does this implythat supply from a UST (underground storage tank) in the bulk storage facility would be acceptable or to the other extentthat even if the bulk AST supplied a loading rack which in turn supplied a UST both in the bulk facility that supplyfrom the bulk AST is still not permitted The second statement refers to any storage tank at the mfdf saying they shall not be connected by piping to bulkfacility ASTs Similarly does this imply that a UST (underground storage tank) in the bulk storage facility would beacceptable or that if the bulk tank was connected to a loading rack and the loading rack connected by non-permanentmeans to an mfdf tank that this would be permissible RegardsDes EbanksAssistant Petroleum InspectorThe Petroleum InspectorateCayman Islands GovernmentAnderson Square 4th floorPO Box 31213Grand CaymanKY1-1205Cayman IslandsOffice 345 244 3458Mobile 345 925 3317Fax 345 949 0920Email desmondebanksgovky

From Benedetti BobTo Shriniwas BodhankarCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiBcc May PaulSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Monday June 14 2010 50100 PM

Good day Sir There has been no discussion by the Technical Committee on Automotive and Marine ServiceStations to alter the separation distances in Table 4324 of NFPA 30A Code for Motor FuelDispensing Facilities and Repair Garages as they pertain to liquid fuels including high flashpoint diesel fuels Also there have been no proposals to make such a change to NFPA 30A I trust this answers your question R P Benedetti cc -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

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From Shriniwas Bodhankar [mailtobodhankarenoccom] Sent Tuesday June 01 2010 536 AMTo Maynard Mary Benedetti BobSubject NFPA 30 A Dear sir Reference is made to table no 4324 of NFPA code 30A specifying the minimum distance between storagetanks and dispensing equipment A dispenser should be placed minimum 50 feet away from a bunded abovegroundsteel tank to meet this requirementIn our opinion this is too stringent and uncalled for in case of high flash diesel ( Flash point above 65 degreecentigrade) A bunded tank where spill can be contained within bund is as safe as a vaulted tankfire resistanttankprotected tank Therefore it is equally safe to install an approved dispensing device immediately outside thebund provided the vent of the tank is 4 meters above the grade level on which the dispensing device is installedVarious international oil companies like SHELL amp BP carry similar installations for their fleet customers of dieselMoreover there are standard skids being marketed in EUROPE (even for gasoline) which have storage tanks and

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dispensers on same skid and such an arrangement is accepted by ldquoAuthority Having Jurisdictionrdquo(AHJ)Kindly advise if this standard requirement is being reviewed or otherwise if based on performance based designsuch a requirement may be waived or considered as ldquo highly recommendedrdquo in the leastBased on your feedback we wish to discuss this with AHJ in UAE Regards Regards Shriniwas BodhankarSenior EHS Compliance Officer( Special Projects)Group EHSQ Compliance DepartmentEmirates National Oil Company Limited (ENOC) LLC ENOC House I PO Box 6442Dubai United Arab EmiratesDirect +971 4 313 4437Fax +971 4 313 4482bodhankarenoccom | wwwenoccom

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From Benedetti BobTo EActonccfireusCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiBcc May PaulSubject Inquiry NFPA 30A amp NFPA 30Date Monday August 02 2010 44400 PMAttachments DSC06169JPG

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Good day Mr Acton Fire protection provisions for major and minor repair garages and ldquolube-onlyrdquofacilities which is the topic of your concern are provided in NFPA 30A Code for MotorFuel Dispensing Facilities and Repair Garages currently 2008 edition Chapter 5 ofNFPA 30A covers piping systems but its specific provisions focus on piping systemsbetween fuel storage tanks and fuel dispensers Chapter 5 also directly referencesChapter 27 of the 2008 edition of NFPA 30 Flammable and Combustible Liquids Code(successor to Chapter 5 of the 2003 edition) Subsection 527 of NFPA 30A allows piping made from low-melting point materials tobe installed in exposed areas but only in specific locations These are limited tocontainment sumps under dispensers containment sumps for underground fuelstorage tanks and sumps for below-grade piping connections Chapter 5 of NFPA 30Ais silent on piping inside buildings Therefore the user is left with the provisions ofChapter 27 of NFPA 30 NFPA 30 in turn does allow piping fabricated of low melting point materials to beused exposed outdoors or inside buildings with the following provisions ldquo27441 Such materials shall be permitted to be used outdoors above ground orinside buildings provided they meet one of the following conditions (1) They are resistant to damage by fire(2) They are located so that any leakage resulting from failure will not exposepersons important buildings or structures(3) They are located where leakage can be controlled by operation of one or moreaccessible remotely located valvesrdquo Regardless of the material of construction of the piping and components the followinggeneral requirement from Chapter 27 of NFPA 30 always applies ldquo273 General Requirements2731 Performance Standards The design fabrication assembly test and inspectionof piping systems shall be suitable for the working pressures and structural stresses tobe encountered by the piping system Compliance with applicable sections of ASMEB31 Code for Pressure Piping and the provisions of this chapter shall be consideredprima facie evidence of compliance with the foregoing provisions2732 Tightness of Piping Piping systems shall be maintained liquidtight A pipingsystem that has leaks that constitute a hazard shall be emptied of liquid or repaired ina manner acceptable to the authority having jurisdictionrdquo Your interpretation of Subsection 511 of the 2003 edition of NFPA 30 (2711 in the2008 edition) is correct the chapter applies to any piping system that handles aflammable or combustible liquid regardless of pressure Likewise you are correct thatthe piping system must meet the provisions of ASME B31 for the material chosen andthe anticipated operating pressures and temperatures (531 in the 2003 edition 2741 in the 2008 edition) However low melting point materials (aluminum copperbrass and polymeric materials) are allowed under the provisions of Subsection 534(2003 edition) and 2744 (2008 edition) What must be determined is does thepiping system comply with one of the conditions stated in 27441 as stated above

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Please understand that this response is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 ofNFPArsquos Regulations Governing Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon todefinitively determine compliance with any laws ordinances rules or regulations Todetermine legal compliance you should refer to the appropriate authority havingjurisdiction or seek legal advice It is not intended nor should it be relied upon toprovide professional consultation or services To determine the adequacy or safety ofany device or installation you should consult with an appropriate professional I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write Iwill be happy to assist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant toNFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does notnecessarily represent the official position of the NFPA or its Technical Committees Inaddition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it be relied upon to provideprofessional consultation or services cc 30IFI 30AIFI AUVNM FLCTANNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

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From Eric Acton [mailtoEActonccfireus] Sent Monday July 19 2010 636 PMTo Benedetti BobSubject InterpretationOpinion request

Good day My name is Eric Acton I am the Fire Marshal for Campbell CountyWyoming and Irsquom employed by Campbell County Fire Department My NFPA

membership number is 2755369 My mailing and email addresses are listed below I am in need of a technical opinion regarding 2003 NFPA 30 Chapter 5 or morecurrently 2008 NFPA 30A Chapter 5 Some brief project backgroundAn owner within my jurisdiction has built a commercial lube-oil center to servicecustomersrsquo vehicles A ldquopitrdquo exists below the service bay to allow workers to drainthe oil from the vehicle then workers on the main floor refill the oil by use ofpressurized nozzles Several motor oil storage tanks are located in the pitaccounting for several brands and viscosities of oil The tanks are designed to befilled by use of a piping system which extends from an exterior connection vault toeach of the storage tanks using gravity to move the product in the fill-pipingsystem The material the owner chose to construct the fill-piping system wasldquostandardrdquo 1-12rdquo Schedule 40 PVC and Parker Series 7094 Electrically Non-Conductive rubber hose The piping system is exposed it is not underground nor isit protected from flame by means of a fire-rated chase Having identified the use of combustible liquids in this occupancy I utilized 2006International Fire Code (as adopted by my jurisdiction) Chapter 34 Flammable andCombustible Liquids to review and inspect the project IFC Section 340362referred me to NFPA 30 Chapter 5 for the construction materials to use where Iinterpreted (2003 version) 30511 to mean that the piping system components (pipetubing flanges bolting gaskets valves fittingshellip) must meet the requirementsregardless of pressure And that the following components specified in theparagraph must meet the requirements ONLY if they contained pressure ndashhelliprdquoexpansion joints and strainers and devices such thathelliprdquo I further interpreted(2003 version) 30531 Material Specifications similarly in that the ldquoPipe valvesfaucets couplingshelliprdquo must meet the requirements regardless of pressure while ldquohellipother pressure-containing partshelliprdquo meant ONLY the other parts that containedpressure Verbatim to 30511 is encountered in 2008 NFPA 30A Chapter 5paragraph 51 Scope The owner states his piping complies with the standard cited because it is gravity-fed hence no ldquopressurerdquo is seen by the piping components I maintain that thepiping system shall consist of metal pipe (or another material meeting therequirements of ASME B31 as allowed by 2003 NFPA 30531) to comply with NFPA30 and IFC Some assistance to resolve this problem is greatly appreciated I have attachedsome photographs for clarification Thanks for your attentionEric

Eric ActonFire MarshalCampbell County Fire Department 106 Rohan Avenue Gillette WY 82716 (307) 682-5319 ext 8912(307) 686-2222 Fax(307) 680-9612 Cell

eactonccfireus (No trees were harmed in the production of this e-mail however a huge number of electrons were horribly inconvenienced)

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From Benedetti BobTo Howard Jim (Woodbridge)Cc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiBcc May PaulSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Monday June 28 2010 115100 AM

Good morning Mr Howard First I appreciate your patience with me while I reviewed the information sent to meby yourself and Mr Luby of Veeder-Root I wanted to ensure that I thoroughlyunderstood how the system functions in its line leak detection mode My understanding of the arrangement of the piping system from the pair ofunderground storage tanks is that the electronic line leak detector the PLLD tests thesupply piping from the two submersible pumps to the dispensers as a single system This includes the direct piping run from the master pump to the dispensers AND thepiping that connects the slave pump to the direct piping run The intent of Subsection 642 of the 2008 edition of NFPA 30A Code for Motor FuelDispensing Facilities and Repair Garages is to ensure that some type of leak detectiondevice monitors the piping from the submersible pump to the dispensers in such amanner that a leak in the piping leading to the dispensers or in the dispensersthemselves is detected and notification of a leak given Since the two pumps act intandem and since the entire piping system from the pumps to the dispensers ismonitored my personal opinion is that the intent of Subsection 642 is met andevaluation of the system described as being equivalent to what is required bySubsection 642 is reasonable Whether the system described meets the criteria of Section 15 Equivalency of NFPA30A must be determined by the authority having jurisdiction As NFPA Staff Liaison forNFPA 30A I cannot make such a determination under NFPArsquos Regulations GoverningCommittee Projects Please understand that this response is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 ofNFPArsquos Regulations Governing Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon todefinitively determine compliance with any laws ordinances rules or regulations Todetermine legal compliance you should refer to the appropriate authority havingjurisdiction or seek legal advice It is not intended nor should it be relied upon toprovide professional consultation or services To determine the adequacy or safety ofany device or installation you should consult with an appropriate professional I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write Iwill be happy to assist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant toNFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does notnecessarily represent the official position of the NFPA or its Technical Committees Inaddition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it be relied upon to provideprofessional consultation or services cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids Engineer

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From Howard Jim (Woodbridge) [mailtoJHowardhesscom] Sent Monday June 14 2010 1144 AMTo Benedetti BobCc Howard Jim (Woodbridge) Bob Luby Subject Importance High Bob It was a pleasure talking to you this morning regarding the Line Leak Detection applicationin place at Hess Station 08501 - Milltown DE (drawing attached) as well as several thousandlocations worldwide Here is some background information on this installation

Site had 3 - 10000 gallon gasoline tanks 1 - 10000 Regular (87) 1 - 10000 Plus (89) 1 - 10000 Premium (93) prior to our Dispenser Replacement Project Because of theoverwhelming demand for Regular gasoline (887 in 2009) we converted the existingPlus tank to additional Regular storageDispensers were replaced with new Blend Dispensers Tanks were not manifoldedRegular and former-Plus product lines were manifolded at each dispenserWe installed Veeder-Root PLLDs (Electronic Line Leak Detectors) on the Regular 1and Premium STPs We installed a non-vented Swift Check on Regular 2 (formerPlus) STP Because the PLLD is vented we MUST install a non-vented swift check onRegular STP 2 in order to test the system as a wholeWe have demonstrated via post-construction testing that the system will pick up a 3gph leak

The State of DE has questioned our compliance with NFPA 30A 642 Each pump shallhave installed on the discharge side a listed leak detection device that will provide an audibleor visible indication if the piping or a dispenser is leaking Each leak-detecting device shallbe checked and tested at least annually according to the manufacturers specifications toensure proper installation and operation

Can you comment on whether the system shown on the attached and described above and onour call meets the NFPA requirement or if it meets the definition of Equivalency as definedin Chapter 15 - Equivalency Thank you in advance for your consideration in this matter Please do not hesitate to contactme if there are any questions or concerns on this application ThanksJim Howard RFMPManager Maintenance amp UST ComplianceHess Corporation732-750-6220 (office)800-903-4801 (Emergency Hotline)E-mail UST Inspections to USTCompliancehesscomFax UST Inspections to 866-435-6744

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From Benedetti BobTo Gary KostalCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiBcc May PaulSubject Inquiry NFPA 30 NFPA 30ADate Tuesday August 10 2010 43200 PM

Good afternoon Mr Kostal There are no provisions in NFPA 30 Flammable and Combustible Liquids Code togovern dispensing of motor fuels into motorized equipment and the devices youdescribe are not mentioned at all in NFPA 30 or in the only other related NFPAdocument that might apply NFPA 30A Code for Motor Fuel Dispensing Facilities andRepair Garages I cannot say that these units are either allowed or disallowed because neither NFPA30 nor NFPA 30A speaks about them The only provisions that might apply are the quantity limitations established in thesetwo codes depending on which code applies If the maintenance building is considered an industrial occupancy then Chapter 9 ofNFPA 30 establishes a maximum allowable quantity for of 120 gallons for Class Iliquids (The maximum allowable quantity is actually a threshold value Up to theMAQ compliance with NFPA 30 is not required above it NFPA 30 applies) If the maintenance building is considered a repair garage then NFPA 30A takesprecedence It also sets a 120 gallon limit on the maximum quantity of Class I liquid In both cases the quantity of fuel involved is 50 percent of the maximum allowed Myopinion is that there is no violation of either NFPA 30 or NFPA 30A Please understand that this response is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 ofNFPArsquos Regulations Governing Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon todefinitively determine compliance with any laws ordinances rules or regulations Todetermine legal compliance you should refer to the appropriate authority havingjurisdiction or seek legal advice It is not intended nor should it be relied upon toprovide professional consultation or services To determine the adequacy or safety ofany device or installation you should consult with an appropriate professional I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write Iwill be happy to assist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant toNFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does notnecessarily represent the official position of the NFPA or its Technical Committees Inaddition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it be relied upon to provideprofessional consultation or services cc 30IFI 30AIFI-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch Park

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Quincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg Important Notice This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPA RegulationsAny opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarily represent the officialposition of the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition this correspondence is neither intended norshould it be relied upon to provide professional consultation or services

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From Gary Kostal [mailtogarykbloomingdalefirecom] Sent Monday August 09 2010 328 PMTo Benedetti BobSubject Looking for assistance - portable gas caddies Membership 2329840 Gary KostalFire Prevention DirectorBloomingdale Fire District Question (Non-formal opinion) I have a country club where they service a very large number of lawn maintenance equipment on a dailybasis They are utilizing a portable gas container (gas caddy) that holds approximately 30 gallons ofgasoline The unit is equipped with a hand style pump which is located on the top of the tank Fuel isdispensed from this tank as you crank the pump There are no nozzles located on the hose These gascaddies are being used inside their maintenance building which is fully fire sprinkled They are presentlyusing two of these devices inside the same building which is basically one days use

My question is are these devices allowed for this type of dispensing Are they required to be equippedwith a self closing nozzle What NFPA sections would apply to this particular type of device Thank you for your assistance in this matter

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From Benedetti BobTo SheldonSchallWisconsingovCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Wednesday September 30 2009 45929 PM

Good afternoon Sheldon I will here provide more detailed answers to your questions as posed in the email you sent to me today Section 30A-4323 limits tank storage capacity for Class I and II No limit for Class IIIA or IIIB

You are correct The intent of 4323 is to limit the capacities only of those tanks that storeClass I and II liquids Recall that when NFPA 30A initially allowed aboveground storage tanks atvehicle fueling sites biofuels were not in the picture just gasoline (Class I) and diesel fuel (ClassII) The Technical Committee at the time did not conceive that there would be the need to storeClass III fuels because there werenrsquot any The bottom line NFPA 30A does not limit the capacityof an aboveground storage tank that holds a motor fuel that is a Class III liquid

Section 30A-4324 refers to setbacks in Table 4324 No indication that these setbacks are specific toor exclude any class of flammable or combustible so it appears that the setbacks apply to Class I -Class IIIB liquids This table appears to conflict with the previous section for Class IIIA amp IIIB liquids

This is again correct that the separation distances in Table 4324 are not specific to anyparticular Class of liquid There is no conflict however 4323 deals with tank capacities 4324 deals with separation distances for the tanks Since 4324 does not specify anyparticular liquid class(es) it applies to ALL liquid classes

Section 30A-4325 allows an increased capacity for Class II and III liquids at fleet facilities Thisappears to conflict with section 4323 for Class III liquids which didnt have a capacity limit to startwith

Here there is a conflict or at least a serious inconsistency This provision was added one or twoeditions after 4323 and it appears that biofuels are beginning to be recognized It also appearsthat the intent here was to allow a relaxation of one limit in favor of a more liberal one Theproblem is the original limit doesnrsquot exist making it arguable that the application of 4325 toClass III liquids is meaningless Given the obvious intent here for some limit on Class III liquidfuels 4323 should be amended to include Class IIIs

Section 30A-4327 addresses dispensing from an aboveground tank for Class I and II liquids based uponspecific conditions

Paragraph 4322 is a hold-over dating back to when service stations were covered in Chapter 7of the old versions of NFPA 30 This set of requirements should also be amended to include ClassIIIs

Section 30A-4328 refers to NFPA 30-2171 for spill and overfill This section only applies to class Iand II liquids

While it is true that Subsection 2171 of NFPA 30 only applies to Classes I and II I do not believeit is a conflict for NFPA 30A to also apply it to Class III as well if the Technical Committee it isappropriate to do so However the language needs to be improved or an Annex item should beadded to explain the extrapolation and the reason for it

I will add this to the next meetingrsquos agenda for the Technical Committee on Automotive and MarineService Stations As usual the following applies Please understand that this response to your inquiry is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 of NFPArsquos RegulationsGoverning Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitively determine compliance with anylaws ordinances rules or regulations To determine the adequacy or safety of any device or installationyou should consult with an appropriate professional To determine legal compliance you should refer tothe appropriate authority having jurisdiction or seek legal advice

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I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will be happy toassist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarily represent the official positionof the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it berelied upon to provide professional consultation or services cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

Fire Prevention Week is October 4 ndash 10 2009 Visit wwwfirepreventionweekorg or call 800-344-3555 for moreinformation NFPA Seminars - Apply the codes with confidenceRegister at wwwnfpalearnorg NFPA Membership keeps you up-to-dateVisit wwwnfpaorgjoin for more information Or call 800-344-3555Notice The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for theexclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential andor privileged information If you are not the intendedrecipient please notify Robert Benedetti immediately by replying to the message or by calling (617) 984-7433 Please deletethis message and any attachments from your system Thank you Considering the variables in the sections referenced above are the setbacks in Table 4324 intended toapply to Class IIIA andor Class IIIB liquids for public fueling

From Schall Sheldon - COMMERCE [mailtoSheldonSchallWisconsingov] Sent Wednesday September 30 2009 832 AMTo Benedetti BobSubject NFPA 30A-4324 inquiry - URGENT Section 30A-4323 limits tank storage capacity for Class I and II No limit for Class IIIA or IIIB trueSection 30A-4324 refers to setbacks in Table 4324 No indication that these setbacks are specific toor exclude any class of flammable or combustible so it appears that the setbacks apply to Class I -Class IIIB liquids This table appears to conflict with the previous section for Class IIIA amp IIIB liquids Also trueSection 30A-4325 allows an increased capacity for Class II and III liquids at fleet facilities Thisappears to conflict with section 4323 for Class III liquids which didnt have a capacity limit to startwith Either one or the other needs to changeSection 30A-4327 addresses dispensing from an aboveground tank for Class I and II liquids based uponspecific conditions Need to cover IIIBSection 30A-4328 refers to NFPA 30-2171 for spill and overfill This section only applies to class Iand II liquids Class IIIs need to be specifically addressed Considering the variables in the sections referenced above are the setbacks in Table 4324 intended toapply to Class IIIA andor Class IIIB liquids for public fueling

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From Benedetti BobTo Bill HickmanCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Monday December 14 2009 50332 PM

Good afternoon Mr Hickman To answer your question the separation distances in Table 4324 of NFPA 30A Code for MotorFuel Dispensing Facilities and Repair Garages are intended to apply to outside abovegroundstorage tanks for fuel where such is allowed The tanks inside a service station building majorrepair garage or minor repair garage would likely be handling Class IIIB liquids (flash point gt200 degF) only in accordance with Subsection 4392 of NFPA 30A Subsection 4392 does not set any specific requirements for separation between tanks inside abuilding although it does refer back to Chapters 21 through 23 of NFPA 30 Flammable andCombustible Liquids Code Shell-to-shell spacing distances for aboveground tanks areestablished in Table 22421 Table 22421 is intended for much large tanks than one wouldfind in a repair garage or ldquolube-onlyrdquo facility For example the minimum separation for tanksstoring Class IIIB liquids is 3 feet as set forth in 224212 But again the separationdistances in Chapter 22 of NFPA 30 are intended for tank farm application not for the muchsmaller tanks found in the type of occupancy governed by NFPA 30A Also any facility meeting the requirements of NFPA 30A is considered to be in compliance withNFPA 30 Please understand that this response to your inquiry is a personal opinion and does notconstitute a Formal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 ofNFPArsquos Regulations Governing Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitivelydetermine compliance with any laws ordinances rules or regulations To determine theadequacy or safety of any device or installation you should consult with an appropriateprofessional To determine legal compliance you should refer to the appropriate authorityhaving jurisdiction or seek legal advice I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will behappy to assist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPARegulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarilyrepresent the official position of the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition thiscorrespondence is neither intended nor should it be relied upon to provide professional consultation orservices cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg If you have a reported fire in your home the risk of dyingdecreases by about 80 percent when sprinklers are present

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From Bill Hickman [mailtoBillHickmanstatecous] Sent Tuesday December 01 2009 939 AMTo Benedetti BobSubject Inquiry NFPA 30A - Storage of Liquids Inside Buildings Mr Benedetti Id appreciate your interpretation on an item regarding aboveground tanks storing lubricants (newused oil) inside abuilding at a repair garage NFPA 30A 439 does not include specific spacing requirements for tanks inside buildings Where there are multiple tanks being stored inside the building is there no minimum separation distance requirementthat must be met or do the requirements of Table 4324 apply Thank you in advance for your assistance __________________________________ Bill HickmanInspectorTechnical SpecialistCO Division of Oil amp Public Safety303-378-5090

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From Benedetti BobTo Peznowski EdwardCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Thursday September 03 2009 30455 PM

Hi Ed The 1996 edition of the Flammable and Combustible Liquids Code Handbook was the last one prior to thecurrent 2008 edition The commentary hasnrsquot changed My recollection of the development of this text is that the intent of NFPA 30A Code for Motor FuelDispensing Facilities and Repair Garages is to isolate the motor fuel dispensing area and its attendanthazard completely from the rest of the structure regardless of what else might be in the structure Subsection 524 assumes that the installation involves a motor fuel dispensing operation inside abuilding where you would not expect to have same such as an office building A bus repair facility wouldbe probably classed as a major repair garage and would be expected to have fueling operations Thehazard of this is in my opinion no greater than the repair operations It could be that the language in Subsection 524 needs to be clarified so that it applies only to situationssuch as I first described Please understand that this response to your inquiry is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 of NFPArsquos RegulationsGoverning Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitively determine compliance with anylaws ordinances rules or regulations To determine the adequacy or safety of any device or installationyou should consult with an appropriate professional To determine legal compliance you should refer tothe appropriate authority having jurisdiction or seek legal advice I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will be happy toassist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarily represent the official positionof the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it berelied upon to provide professional consultation or services cc 30AIFI 30AFAQ AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

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From Peznowski Edward [mailtoEdwardPeznowskipostatectus] Sent Monday August 31 2009 127 PMTo Benedetti BobSubject NFPA 30A Hi Bob Sorry to bother you but I need your help and interpretation of the following section of NFPA 30A 2000edition 524 - All piping inside buildings but outside the motor fuel dispensing area shall be enclosed within ahorizontal chase or a vertical shaft used only for this piping Vertical shafts and horizontal chases shall beconstructed of materials having a fire resistance rating of not less than 2 hours Bob I have a bus repair facility being built and we have fuel dispensing area within the building enclosedwith a 2hr fire resistive separation My question is I have diesel fuel piping coming from two tanks locatedoutside of the building the piping runs outside of the dispensing area does this piping need to be enclosed Ihave the proper UL listed system for through wall penetrations My problem lies here I have natural gas heating fuel oil lines for boilers and diesel fuel line for thegenerator all running through the area outside the 2 hour rated dispensing area which are not required to beenclosed My thought is within the 2 hour fire resistive construction I have storage rooms for grease and oil a office forfuel dispensing Any fuel piping running through these areas would be enclosed but once I go outside my 2hrrated enclosure the piping would not have to be enclosed NFPA 30A (1996edition)6-42 - All fuel and flammable vapor piping inside buildings but outside the service station area shall beenclosed within a horizontal chase or a vertical shaft used only for this piping Vertical shafts and horizontalchases shall be constructed of materials having a fire resistance rating of not less than 2 hoursCOMMENTARY 6-42 The intent of this requirement is to preserve the isolation of the service stationoperation from the rest of the building I donrsquot have the 2000 handbook for commentary Thanks Bob Edward J PeznowskiFire amp Life Safety SpecialistBureau of EngineeringOffice State Fire Marshal860-685-8350

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From Benedetti BobTo Hamilton James P (HOY)Cc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiSubject Inquiry NFPA 30A-2008Date Monday September 14 2009 115041 AM

Good morning Mr Hamilton The intent of this particular provision of Subsection 672 of NFPA 30A Code for Motor Fuel DispensingFacilities and Repair Garages is to ensure that the patron has access to a second disconnect if he or shecannot reach the primary disconnect ie the one that is between 20 and 100 feet from the dispenser In my opinion all of the emergency disconnects required by Section 67 must be at least 20 ft but normore than 100 ft from the nearest dispenser Please understand that this response to your inquiry is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 of NFPArsquos RegulationsGoverning Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitively determine compliance with anylaws ordinances rules or regulations To determine the adequacy or safety of any device or installationyou should consult with an appropriate professional To determine legal compliance you should refer tothe appropriate authority having jurisdiction or seek legal advice I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will be happy toassist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarily represent the official positionof the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it berelied upon to provide professional consultation or services cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

Fire Prevention Week is October 4 ndash 10 2009 Visit wwwfirepreventionweekorg or call 800-344-3555 for moreinformation NFPA Seminars - Apply the codes with confidenceRegister at wwwnfpalearnorg NFPA Membership keeps you up-to-dateVisit wwwnfpaorgjoin for more information Or call 800-344-3555Notice The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for theexclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential andor privileged information If you are not the intendedrecipient please notify Robert Benedetti immediately by replying to the message or by calling (617) 984-7433 Please deletethis message and any attachments from your system Thank you

From Hamilton James P (HOY) [mailtoHAMILTONJPbechteljacobsorg] Sent Thursday September 10 2009 1224 PMTo Benedetti BobSubject NFPA 30A 2008 Edition

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Importance High

NFPA 30A 672 states at least one additional device or disconnect shall be readily accessible toeach group of dispensing devices on an individual island Our installation does not have islands Should the second emergency shutoff be installed close to the pumps or between 20 and 100 ofthe pumps

Please respond back via email hamiltonjpbechteljacobsorg

Thanks

NFPA 127130 James P Hamilton CFPSTetraTek Inc - Fire Safety TechnologiesFire Protection LeadK-27 Pre-Demo Project 790 Emory Valley Rd 811 Oak Ridge TN 37830 ETTP Office 865-241-1902

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From Benedetti BobTo Scott DavonskiCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Tuesday August 04 2009 92429 AM

Good morning Mr Davonski My opinion is that the intent of the requirement in Subsection 1141 of NFPA 30A Code for Motor FuelDispensing Facilities and Repair Garages is that any hose longer than 18 feet should not simply bestrung along the dockrsquos surface Using a reel would be one means of securing the hose although Irsquomsure other methods such as hangers would work as well Please understand that this response to your inquiry is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 of NFPArsquos RegulationsGoverning Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitively determine compliance with anylaws ordinances rules or regulations To determine the adequacy or safety of any device or installationyou should consult with an appropriate professional To determine legal compliance you should refer tothe appropriate authority having jurisdiction or seek legal advice I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will be happy toassist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarily represent the official positionof the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it berelied upon to provide professional consultation or services cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

Fire Prevention Week is October 4 ndash 10 2009 Visit wwwfirepreventionweekorg or call 800-344-3555 for moreinformation NFPA Seminars - Apply the codes with confidenceRegister at wwwnfpalearnorg NFPA Membership keeps you up-to-dateVisit wwwnfpaorgjoin for more information Or call 800-344-3555Notice The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for theexclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential andor privileged information If you are not the intendedrecipient please notify Robert Benedetti immediately by replying to the message or by calling (617) 984-7433 Please deletethis message and any attachments from your system Thank you

From Scott Davonski [mailtodavonskiRiverheadlicom] Sent Wednesday July 22 2009 1118 AMTo Benedetti BobSubject 30A clarification

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1141 All hose shall be listed Where hose length exceeds 55 m (18 ft) the hose shall besecured so as to protect it from damage Can you provide clarification as to what is meant by ldquosecured so as to protect it fromdamagerdquo Is the standard looking not to have the hoses on the dock In a reel Any clarificationinformation would be appreciated Scott W DavonskiChief Fire MarshalTown of RiverheadP- 631-727-3200 ext 209F- 631-727-3370

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Page 33: TECHNICAL COMMITTEE ON AUTOMOTIVE and MARINE … · SUBJECT: Agenda for ROC Meeting – October 4, 2010 _____ Ladies and Gentlemen: Attached is the Agenda for the NFPA 30A Report

From Ebanks Desmond [mailtoDesmondEbanksgovky] Sent Monday May 24 2010 940 AMTo Benedetti BobSubject bulk storage supply to motor fuel facilities Hi Bob NFPA 30A (2003) 422 gives to positions in relation to motor fuel dispensing facilities (mfdf) that I would like to havefurther clarified for Code intent please The first is that dispensing devices at the mfdf shall not be supplied by ASTs located in the bulk plant Does this implythat supply from a UST (underground storage tank) in the bulk storage facility would be acceptable or to the other extentthat even if the bulk AST supplied a loading rack which in turn supplied a UST both in the bulk facility that supplyfrom the bulk AST is still not permitted The second statement refers to any storage tank at the mfdf saying they shall not be connected by piping to bulkfacility ASTs Similarly does this imply that a UST (underground storage tank) in the bulk storage facility would beacceptable or that if the bulk tank was connected to a loading rack and the loading rack connected by non-permanentmeans to an mfdf tank that this would be permissible RegardsDes EbanksAssistant Petroleum InspectorThe Petroleum InspectorateCayman Islands GovernmentAnderson Square 4th floorPO Box 31213Grand CaymanKY1-1205Cayman IslandsOffice 345 244 3458Mobile 345 925 3317Fax 345 949 0920Email desmondebanksgovky

From Benedetti BobTo Shriniwas BodhankarCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiBcc May PaulSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Monday June 14 2010 50100 PM

Good day Sir There has been no discussion by the Technical Committee on Automotive and Marine ServiceStations to alter the separation distances in Table 4324 of NFPA 30A Code for Motor FuelDispensing Facilities and Repair Garages as they pertain to liquid fuels including high flashpoint diesel fuels Also there have been no proposals to make such a change to NFPA 30A I trust this answers your question R P Benedetti cc -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

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From Shriniwas Bodhankar [mailtobodhankarenoccom] Sent Tuesday June 01 2010 536 AMTo Maynard Mary Benedetti BobSubject NFPA 30 A Dear sir Reference is made to table no 4324 of NFPA code 30A specifying the minimum distance between storagetanks and dispensing equipment A dispenser should be placed minimum 50 feet away from a bunded abovegroundsteel tank to meet this requirementIn our opinion this is too stringent and uncalled for in case of high flash diesel ( Flash point above 65 degreecentigrade) A bunded tank where spill can be contained within bund is as safe as a vaulted tankfire resistanttankprotected tank Therefore it is equally safe to install an approved dispensing device immediately outside thebund provided the vent of the tank is 4 meters above the grade level on which the dispensing device is installedVarious international oil companies like SHELL amp BP carry similar installations for their fleet customers of dieselMoreover there are standard skids being marketed in EUROPE (even for gasoline) which have storage tanks and

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dispensers on same skid and such an arrangement is accepted by ldquoAuthority Having Jurisdictionrdquo(AHJ)Kindly advise if this standard requirement is being reviewed or otherwise if based on performance based designsuch a requirement may be waived or considered as ldquo highly recommendedrdquo in the leastBased on your feedback we wish to discuss this with AHJ in UAE Regards Regards Shriniwas BodhankarSenior EHS Compliance Officer( Special Projects)Group EHSQ Compliance DepartmentEmirates National Oil Company Limited (ENOC) LLC ENOC House I PO Box 6442Dubai United Arab EmiratesDirect +971 4 313 4437Fax +971 4 313 4482bodhankarenoccom | wwwenoccom

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From Benedetti BobTo EActonccfireusCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiBcc May PaulSubject Inquiry NFPA 30A amp NFPA 30Date Monday August 02 2010 44400 PMAttachments DSC06169JPG

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Good day Mr Acton Fire protection provisions for major and minor repair garages and ldquolube-onlyrdquofacilities which is the topic of your concern are provided in NFPA 30A Code for MotorFuel Dispensing Facilities and Repair Garages currently 2008 edition Chapter 5 ofNFPA 30A covers piping systems but its specific provisions focus on piping systemsbetween fuel storage tanks and fuel dispensers Chapter 5 also directly referencesChapter 27 of the 2008 edition of NFPA 30 Flammable and Combustible Liquids Code(successor to Chapter 5 of the 2003 edition) Subsection 527 of NFPA 30A allows piping made from low-melting point materials tobe installed in exposed areas but only in specific locations These are limited tocontainment sumps under dispensers containment sumps for underground fuelstorage tanks and sumps for below-grade piping connections Chapter 5 of NFPA 30Ais silent on piping inside buildings Therefore the user is left with the provisions ofChapter 27 of NFPA 30 NFPA 30 in turn does allow piping fabricated of low melting point materials to beused exposed outdoors or inside buildings with the following provisions ldquo27441 Such materials shall be permitted to be used outdoors above ground orinside buildings provided they meet one of the following conditions (1) They are resistant to damage by fire(2) They are located so that any leakage resulting from failure will not exposepersons important buildings or structures(3) They are located where leakage can be controlled by operation of one or moreaccessible remotely located valvesrdquo Regardless of the material of construction of the piping and components the followinggeneral requirement from Chapter 27 of NFPA 30 always applies ldquo273 General Requirements2731 Performance Standards The design fabrication assembly test and inspectionof piping systems shall be suitable for the working pressures and structural stresses tobe encountered by the piping system Compliance with applicable sections of ASMEB31 Code for Pressure Piping and the provisions of this chapter shall be consideredprima facie evidence of compliance with the foregoing provisions2732 Tightness of Piping Piping systems shall be maintained liquidtight A pipingsystem that has leaks that constitute a hazard shall be emptied of liquid or repaired ina manner acceptable to the authority having jurisdictionrdquo Your interpretation of Subsection 511 of the 2003 edition of NFPA 30 (2711 in the2008 edition) is correct the chapter applies to any piping system that handles aflammable or combustible liquid regardless of pressure Likewise you are correct thatthe piping system must meet the provisions of ASME B31 for the material chosen andthe anticipated operating pressures and temperatures (531 in the 2003 edition 2741 in the 2008 edition) However low melting point materials (aluminum copperbrass and polymeric materials) are allowed under the provisions of Subsection 534(2003 edition) and 2744 (2008 edition) What must be determined is does thepiping system comply with one of the conditions stated in 27441 as stated above

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Please understand that this response is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 ofNFPArsquos Regulations Governing Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon todefinitively determine compliance with any laws ordinances rules or regulations Todetermine legal compliance you should refer to the appropriate authority havingjurisdiction or seek legal advice It is not intended nor should it be relied upon toprovide professional consultation or services To determine the adequacy or safety ofany device or installation you should consult with an appropriate professional I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write Iwill be happy to assist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant toNFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does notnecessarily represent the official position of the NFPA or its Technical Committees Inaddition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it be relied upon to provideprofessional consultation or services cc 30IFI 30AIFI AUVNM FLCTANNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

If you have a reported fire in your home the risk of dyingdecreases by about 80 percent when sprinklers are present

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From Eric Acton [mailtoEActonccfireus] Sent Monday July 19 2010 636 PMTo Benedetti BobSubject InterpretationOpinion request

Good day My name is Eric Acton I am the Fire Marshal for Campbell CountyWyoming and Irsquom employed by Campbell County Fire Department My NFPA

membership number is 2755369 My mailing and email addresses are listed below I am in need of a technical opinion regarding 2003 NFPA 30 Chapter 5 or morecurrently 2008 NFPA 30A Chapter 5 Some brief project backgroundAn owner within my jurisdiction has built a commercial lube-oil center to servicecustomersrsquo vehicles A ldquopitrdquo exists below the service bay to allow workers to drainthe oil from the vehicle then workers on the main floor refill the oil by use ofpressurized nozzles Several motor oil storage tanks are located in the pitaccounting for several brands and viscosities of oil The tanks are designed to befilled by use of a piping system which extends from an exterior connection vault toeach of the storage tanks using gravity to move the product in the fill-pipingsystem The material the owner chose to construct the fill-piping system wasldquostandardrdquo 1-12rdquo Schedule 40 PVC and Parker Series 7094 Electrically Non-Conductive rubber hose The piping system is exposed it is not underground nor isit protected from flame by means of a fire-rated chase Having identified the use of combustible liquids in this occupancy I utilized 2006International Fire Code (as adopted by my jurisdiction) Chapter 34 Flammable andCombustible Liquids to review and inspect the project IFC Section 340362referred me to NFPA 30 Chapter 5 for the construction materials to use where Iinterpreted (2003 version) 30511 to mean that the piping system components (pipetubing flanges bolting gaskets valves fittingshellip) must meet the requirementsregardless of pressure And that the following components specified in theparagraph must meet the requirements ONLY if they contained pressure ndashhelliprdquoexpansion joints and strainers and devices such thathelliprdquo I further interpreted(2003 version) 30531 Material Specifications similarly in that the ldquoPipe valvesfaucets couplingshelliprdquo must meet the requirements regardless of pressure while ldquohellipother pressure-containing partshelliprdquo meant ONLY the other parts that containedpressure Verbatim to 30511 is encountered in 2008 NFPA 30A Chapter 5paragraph 51 Scope The owner states his piping complies with the standard cited because it is gravity-fed hence no ldquopressurerdquo is seen by the piping components I maintain that thepiping system shall consist of metal pipe (or another material meeting therequirements of ASME B31 as allowed by 2003 NFPA 30531) to comply with NFPA30 and IFC Some assistance to resolve this problem is greatly appreciated I have attachedsome photographs for clarification Thanks for your attentionEric

Eric ActonFire MarshalCampbell County Fire Department 106 Rohan Avenue Gillette WY 82716 (307) 682-5319 ext 8912(307) 686-2222 Fax(307) 680-9612 Cell

eactonccfireus (No trees were harmed in the production of this e-mail however a huge number of electrons were horribly inconvenienced)

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From Benedetti BobTo Howard Jim (Woodbridge)Cc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiBcc May PaulSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Monday June 28 2010 115100 AM

Good morning Mr Howard First I appreciate your patience with me while I reviewed the information sent to meby yourself and Mr Luby of Veeder-Root I wanted to ensure that I thoroughlyunderstood how the system functions in its line leak detection mode My understanding of the arrangement of the piping system from the pair ofunderground storage tanks is that the electronic line leak detector the PLLD tests thesupply piping from the two submersible pumps to the dispensers as a single system This includes the direct piping run from the master pump to the dispensers AND thepiping that connects the slave pump to the direct piping run The intent of Subsection 642 of the 2008 edition of NFPA 30A Code for Motor FuelDispensing Facilities and Repair Garages is to ensure that some type of leak detectiondevice monitors the piping from the submersible pump to the dispensers in such amanner that a leak in the piping leading to the dispensers or in the dispensersthemselves is detected and notification of a leak given Since the two pumps act intandem and since the entire piping system from the pumps to the dispensers ismonitored my personal opinion is that the intent of Subsection 642 is met andevaluation of the system described as being equivalent to what is required bySubsection 642 is reasonable Whether the system described meets the criteria of Section 15 Equivalency of NFPA30A must be determined by the authority having jurisdiction As NFPA Staff Liaison forNFPA 30A I cannot make such a determination under NFPArsquos Regulations GoverningCommittee Projects Please understand that this response is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 ofNFPArsquos Regulations Governing Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon todefinitively determine compliance with any laws ordinances rules or regulations Todetermine legal compliance you should refer to the appropriate authority havingjurisdiction or seek legal advice It is not intended nor should it be relied upon toprovide professional consultation or services To determine the adequacy or safety ofany device or installation you should consult with an appropriate professional I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write Iwill be happy to assist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant toNFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does notnecessarily represent the official position of the NFPA or its Technical Committees Inaddition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it be relied upon to provideprofessional consultation or services cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids Engineer

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National Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

If you have a reported fire in your home the risk of dyingdecreases by about 80 percent when sprinklers are present

wwwfiresprinklerinitiativeorgNotice The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intendedfor the exclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential andor privileged information If you arenot the intended recipient please notify Robert Benedetti immediately by replying to the message or by calling(617) 984-7433 Please delete this message and any attachments from your system Thank you

From Howard Jim (Woodbridge) [mailtoJHowardhesscom] Sent Monday June 14 2010 1144 AMTo Benedetti BobCc Howard Jim (Woodbridge) Bob Luby Subject Importance High Bob It was a pleasure talking to you this morning regarding the Line Leak Detection applicationin place at Hess Station 08501 - Milltown DE (drawing attached) as well as several thousandlocations worldwide Here is some background information on this installation

Site had 3 - 10000 gallon gasoline tanks 1 - 10000 Regular (87) 1 - 10000 Plus (89) 1 - 10000 Premium (93) prior to our Dispenser Replacement Project Because of theoverwhelming demand for Regular gasoline (887 in 2009) we converted the existingPlus tank to additional Regular storageDispensers were replaced with new Blend Dispensers Tanks were not manifoldedRegular and former-Plus product lines were manifolded at each dispenserWe installed Veeder-Root PLLDs (Electronic Line Leak Detectors) on the Regular 1and Premium STPs We installed a non-vented Swift Check on Regular 2 (formerPlus) STP Because the PLLD is vented we MUST install a non-vented swift check onRegular STP 2 in order to test the system as a wholeWe have demonstrated via post-construction testing that the system will pick up a 3gph leak

The State of DE has questioned our compliance with NFPA 30A 642 Each pump shallhave installed on the discharge side a listed leak detection device that will provide an audibleor visible indication if the piping or a dispenser is leaking Each leak-detecting device shallbe checked and tested at least annually according to the manufacturers specifications toensure proper installation and operation

Can you comment on whether the system shown on the attached and described above and onour call meets the NFPA requirement or if it meets the definition of Equivalency as definedin Chapter 15 - Equivalency Thank you in advance for your consideration in this matter Please do not hesitate to contactme if there are any questions or concerns on this application ThanksJim Howard RFMPManager Maintenance amp UST ComplianceHess Corporation732-750-6220 (office)800-903-4801 (Emergency Hotline)E-mail UST Inspections to USTCompliancehesscomFax UST Inspections to 866-435-6744

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From Benedetti BobTo Gary KostalCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiBcc May PaulSubject Inquiry NFPA 30 NFPA 30ADate Tuesday August 10 2010 43200 PM

Good afternoon Mr Kostal There are no provisions in NFPA 30 Flammable and Combustible Liquids Code togovern dispensing of motor fuels into motorized equipment and the devices youdescribe are not mentioned at all in NFPA 30 or in the only other related NFPAdocument that might apply NFPA 30A Code for Motor Fuel Dispensing Facilities andRepair Garages I cannot say that these units are either allowed or disallowed because neither NFPA30 nor NFPA 30A speaks about them The only provisions that might apply are the quantity limitations established in thesetwo codes depending on which code applies If the maintenance building is considered an industrial occupancy then Chapter 9 ofNFPA 30 establishes a maximum allowable quantity for of 120 gallons for Class Iliquids (The maximum allowable quantity is actually a threshold value Up to theMAQ compliance with NFPA 30 is not required above it NFPA 30 applies) If the maintenance building is considered a repair garage then NFPA 30A takesprecedence It also sets a 120 gallon limit on the maximum quantity of Class I liquid In both cases the quantity of fuel involved is 50 percent of the maximum allowed Myopinion is that there is no violation of either NFPA 30 or NFPA 30A Please understand that this response is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 ofNFPArsquos Regulations Governing Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon todefinitively determine compliance with any laws ordinances rules or regulations Todetermine legal compliance you should refer to the appropriate authority havingjurisdiction or seek legal advice It is not intended nor should it be relied upon toprovide professional consultation or services To determine the adequacy or safety ofany device or installation you should consult with an appropriate professional I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write Iwill be happy to assist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant toNFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does notnecessarily represent the official position of the NFPA or its Technical Committees Inaddition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it be relied upon to provideprofessional consultation or services cc 30IFI 30AIFI-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch Park

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Quincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg Important Notice This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPA RegulationsAny opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarily represent the officialposition of the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition this correspondence is neither intended norshould it be relied upon to provide professional consultation or services

Visit wwwfirepreventionweekorg or call 800-344-3555 for more information Check out FPW on social mediahellipwwwtwittercomfpw2010wwwfacebookcomfirepreventionweekhttpnfpatypepadcomfpw Check out NFPA onhellip

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From Gary Kostal [mailtogarykbloomingdalefirecom] Sent Monday August 09 2010 328 PMTo Benedetti BobSubject Looking for assistance - portable gas caddies Membership 2329840 Gary KostalFire Prevention DirectorBloomingdale Fire District Question (Non-formal opinion) I have a country club where they service a very large number of lawn maintenance equipment on a dailybasis They are utilizing a portable gas container (gas caddy) that holds approximately 30 gallons ofgasoline The unit is equipped with a hand style pump which is located on the top of the tank Fuel isdispensed from this tank as you crank the pump There are no nozzles located on the hose These gascaddies are being used inside their maintenance building which is fully fire sprinkled They are presentlyusing two of these devices inside the same building which is basically one days use

My question is are these devices allowed for this type of dispensing Are they required to be equippedwith a self closing nozzle What NFPA sections would apply to this particular type of device Thank you for your assistance in this matter

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From Benedetti BobTo SheldonSchallWisconsingovCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Wednesday September 30 2009 45929 PM

Good afternoon Sheldon I will here provide more detailed answers to your questions as posed in the email you sent to me today Section 30A-4323 limits tank storage capacity for Class I and II No limit for Class IIIA or IIIB

You are correct The intent of 4323 is to limit the capacities only of those tanks that storeClass I and II liquids Recall that when NFPA 30A initially allowed aboveground storage tanks atvehicle fueling sites biofuels were not in the picture just gasoline (Class I) and diesel fuel (ClassII) The Technical Committee at the time did not conceive that there would be the need to storeClass III fuels because there werenrsquot any The bottom line NFPA 30A does not limit the capacityof an aboveground storage tank that holds a motor fuel that is a Class III liquid

Section 30A-4324 refers to setbacks in Table 4324 No indication that these setbacks are specific toor exclude any class of flammable or combustible so it appears that the setbacks apply to Class I -Class IIIB liquids This table appears to conflict with the previous section for Class IIIA amp IIIB liquids

This is again correct that the separation distances in Table 4324 are not specific to anyparticular Class of liquid There is no conflict however 4323 deals with tank capacities 4324 deals with separation distances for the tanks Since 4324 does not specify anyparticular liquid class(es) it applies to ALL liquid classes

Section 30A-4325 allows an increased capacity for Class II and III liquids at fleet facilities Thisappears to conflict with section 4323 for Class III liquids which didnt have a capacity limit to startwith

Here there is a conflict or at least a serious inconsistency This provision was added one or twoeditions after 4323 and it appears that biofuels are beginning to be recognized It also appearsthat the intent here was to allow a relaxation of one limit in favor of a more liberal one Theproblem is the original limit doesnrsquot exist making it arguable that the application of 4325 toClass III liquids is meaningless Given the obvious intent here for some limit on Class III liquidfuels 4323 should be amended to include Class IIIs

Section 30A-4327 addresses dispensing from an aboveground tank for Class I and II liquids based uponspecific conditions

Paragraph 4322 is a hold-over dating back to when service stations were covered in Chapter 7of the old versions of NFPA 30 This set of requirements should also be amended to include ClassIIIs

Section 30A-4328 refers to NFPA 30-2171 for spill and overfill This section only applies to class Iand II liquids

While it is true that Subsection 2171 of NFPA 30 only applies to Classes I and II I do not believeit is a conflict for NFPA 30A to also apply it to Class III as well if the Technical Committee it isappropriate to do so However the language needs to be improved or an Annex item should beadded to explain the extrapolation and the reason for it

I will add this to the next meetingrsquos agenda for the Technical Committee on Automotive and MarineService Stations As usual the following applies Please understand that this response to your inquiry is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 of NFPArsquos RegulationsGoverning Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitively determine compliance with anylaws ordinances rules or regulations To determine the adequacy or safety of any device or installationyou should consult with an appropriate professional To determine legal compliance you should refer tothe appropriate authority having jurisdiction or seek legal advice

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I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will be happy toassist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarily represent the official positionof the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it berelied upon to provide professional consultation or services cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

Fire Prevention Week is October 4 ndash 10 2009 Visit wwwfirepreventionweekorg or call 800-344-3555 for moreinformation NFPA Seminars - Apply the codes with confidenceRegister at wwwnfpalearnorg NFPA Membership keeps you up-to-dateVisit wwwnfpaorgjoin for more information Or call 800-344-3555Notice The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for theexclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential andor privileged information If you are not the intendedrecipient please notify Robert Benedetti immediately by replying to the message or by calling (617) 984-7433 Please deletethis message and any attachments from your system Thank you Considering the variables in the sections referenced above are the setbacks in Table 4324 intended toapply to Class IIIA andor Class IIIB liquids for public fueling

From Schall Sheldon - COMMERCE [mailtoSheldonSchallWisconsingov] Sent Wednesday September 30 2009 832 AMTo Benedetti BobSubject NFPA 30A-4324 inquiry - URGENT Section 30A-4323 limits tank storage capacity for Class I and II No limit for Class IIIA or IIIB trueSection 30A-4324 refers to setbacks in Table 4324 No indication that these setbacks are specific toor exclude any class of flammable or combustible so it appears that the setbacks apply to Class I -Class IIIB liquids This table appears to conflict with the previous section for Class IIIA amp IIIB liquids Also trueSection 30A-4325 allows an increased capacity for Class II and III liquids at fleet facilities Thisappears to conflict with section 4323 for Class III liquids which didnt have a capacity limit to startwith Either one or the other needs to changeSection 30A-4327 addresses dispensing from an aboveground tank for Class I and II liquids based uponspecific conditions Need to cover IIIBSection 30A-4328 refers to NFPA 30-2171 for spill and overfill This section only applies to class Iand II liquids Class IIIs need to be specifically addressed Considering the variables in the sections referenced above are the setbacks in Table 4324 intended toapply to Class IIIA andor Class IIIB liquids for public fueling

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From Benedetti BobTo Bill HickmanCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Monday December 14 2009 50332 PM

Good afternoon Mr Hickman To answer your question the separation distances in Table 4324 of NFPA 30A Code for MotorFuel Dispensing Facilities and Repair Garages are intended to apply to outside abovegroundstorage tanks for fuel where such is allowed The tanks inside a service station building majorrepair garage or minor repair garage would likely be handling Class IIIB liquids (flash point gt200 degF) only in accordance with Subsection 4392 of NFPA 30A Subsection 4392 does not set any specific requirements for separation between tanks inside abuilding although it does refer back to Chapters 21 through 23 of NFPA 30 Flammable andCombustible Liquids Code Shell-to-shell spacing distances for aboveground tanks areestablished in Table 22421 Table 22421 is intended for much large tanks than one wouldfind in a repair garage or ldquolube-onlyrdquo facility For example the minimum separation for tanksstoring Class IIIB liquids is 3 feet as set forth in 224212 But again the separationdistances in Chapter 22 of NFPA 30 are intended for tank farm application not for the muchsmaller tanks found in the type of occupancy governed by NFPA 30A Also any facility meeting the requirements of NFPA 30A is considered to be in compliance withNFPA 30 Please understand that this response to your inquiry is a personal opinion and does notconstitute a Formal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 ofNFPArsquos Regulations Governing Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitivelydetermine compliance with any laws ordinances rules or regulations To determine theadequacy or safety of any device or installation you should consult with an appropriateprofessional To determine legal compliance you should refer to the appropriate authorityhaving jurisdiction or seek legal advice I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will behappy to assist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPARegulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarilyrepresent the official position of the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition thiscorrespondence is neither intended nor should it be relied upon to provide professional consultation orservices cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg If you have a reported fire in your home the risk of dyingdecreases by about 80 percent when sprinklers are present

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From Bill Hickman [mailtoBillHickmanstatecous] Sent Tuesday December 01 2009 939 AMTo Benedetti BobSubject Inquiry NFPA 30A - Storage of Liquids Inside Buildings Mr Benedetti Id appreciate your interpretation on an item regarding aboveground tanks storing lubricants (newused oil) inside abuilding at a repair garage NFPA 30A 439 does not include specific spacing requirements for tanks inside buildings Where there are multiple tanks being stored inside the building is there no minimum separation distance requirementthat must be met or do the requirements of Table 4324 apply Thank you in advance for your assistance __________________________________ Bill HickmanInspectorTechnical SpecialistCO Division of Oil amp Public Safety303-378-5090

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From Benedetti BobTo Peznowski EdwardCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Thursday September 03 2009 30455 PM

Hi Ed The 1996 edition of the Flammable and Combustible Liquids Code Handbook was the last one prior to thecurrent 2008 edition The commentary hasnrsquot changed My recollection of the development of this text is that the intent of NFPA 30A Code for Motor FuelDispensing Facilities and Repair Garages is to isolate the motor fuel dispensing area and its attendanthazard completely from the rest of the structure regardless of what else might be in the structure Subsection 524 assumes that the installation involves a motor fuel dispensing operation inside abuilding where you would not expect to have same such as an office building A bus repair facility wouldbe probably classed as a major repair garage and would be expected to have fueling operations Thehazard of this is in my opinion no greater than the repair operations It could be that the language in Subsection 524 needs to be clarified so that it applies only to situationssuch as I first described Please understand that this response to your inquiry is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 of NFPArsquos RegulationsGoverning Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitively determine compliance with anylaws ordinances rules or regulations To determine the adequacy or safety of any device or installationyou should consult with an appropriate professional To determine legal compliance you should refer tothe appropriate authority having jurisdiction or seek legal advice I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will be happy toassist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarily represent the official positionof the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it berelied upon to provide professional consultation or services cc 30AIFI 30AFAQ AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

Fire Prevention Week is October 4 ndash 10 2009 Visit wwwfirepreventionweekorg or call 800-344-3555 for moreinformation NFPA Seminars - Apply the codes with confidenceRegister at wwwnfpalearnorg NFPA Membership keeps you up-to-dateVisit wwwnfpaorgjoin for more information Or call 800-344-3555Notice The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for the

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exclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential andor privileged information If you are not the intendedrecipient please notify Robert Benedetti immediately by replying to the message or by calling (617) 984-7433 Please deletethis message and any attachments from your system Thank you

From Peznowski Edward [mailtoEdwardPeznowskipostatectus] Sent Monday August 31 2009 127 PMTo Benedetti BobSubject NFPA 30A Hi Bob Sorry to bother you but I need your help and interpretation of the following section of NFPA 30A 2000edition 524 - All piping inside buildings but outside the motor fuel dispensing area shall be enclosed within ahorizontal chase or a vertical shaft used only for this piping Vertical shafts and horizontal chases shall beconstructed of materials having a fire resistance rating of not less than 2 hours Bob I have a bus repair facility being built and we have fuel dispensing area within the building enclosedwith a 2hr fire resistive separation My question is I have diesel fuel piping coming from two tanks locatedoutside of the building the piping runs outside of the dispensing area does this piping need to be enclosed Ihave the proper UL listed system for through wall penetrations My problem lies here I have natural gas heating fuel oil lines for boilers and diesel fuel line for thegenerator all running through the area outside the 2 hour rated dispensing area which are not required to beenclosed My thought is within the 2 hour fire resistive construction I have storage rooms for grease and oil a office forfuel dispensing Any fuel piping running through these areas would be enclosed but once I go outside my 2hrrated enclosure the piping would not have to be enclosed NFPA 30A (1996edition)6-42 - All fuel and flammable vapor piping inside buildings but outside the service station area shall beenclosed within a horizontal chase or a vertical shaft used only for this piping Vertical shafts and horizontalchases shall be constructed of materials having a fire resistance rating of not less than 2 hoursCOMMENTARY 6-42 The intent of this requirement is to preserve the isolation of the service stationoperation from the rest of the building I donrsquot have the 2000 handbook for commentary Thanks Bob Edward J PeznowskiFire amp Life Safety SpecialistBureau of EngineeringOffice State Fire Marshal860-685-8350

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From Benedetti BobTo Hamilton James P (HOY)Cc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiSubject Inquiry NFPA 30A-2008Date Monday September 14 2009 115041 AM

Good morning Mr Hamilton The intent of this particular provision of Subsection 672 of NFPA 30A Code for Motor Fuel DispensingFacilities and Repair Garages is to ensure that the patron has access to a second disconnect if he or shecannot reach the primary disconnect ie the one that is between 20 and 100 feet from the dispenser In my opinion all of the emergency disconnects required by Section 67 must be at least 20 ft but normore than 100 ft from the nearest dispenser Please understand that this response to your inquiry is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 of NFPArsquos RegulationsGoverning Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitively determine compliance with anylaws ordinances rules or regulations To determine the adequacy or safety of any device or installationyou should consult with an appropriate professional To determine legal compliance you should refer tothe appropriate authority having jurisdiction or seek legal advice I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will be happy toassist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarily represent the official positionof the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it berelied upon to provide professional consultation or services cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

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From Hamilton James P (HOY) [mailtoHAMILTONJPbechteljacobsorg] Sent Thursday September 10 2009 1224 PMTo Benedetti BobSubject NFPA 30A 2008 Edition

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Importance High

NFPA 30A 672 states at least one additional device or disconnect shall be readily accessible toeach group of dispensing devices on an individual island Our installation does not have islands Should the second emergency shutoff be installed close to the pumps or between 20 and 100 ofthe pumps

Please respond back via email hamiltonjpbechteljacobsorg

Thanks

NFPA 127130 James P Hamilton CFPSTetraTek Inc - Fire Safety TechnologiesFire Protection LeadK-27 Pre-Demo Project 790 Emory Valley Rd 811 Oak Ridge TN 37830 ETTP Office 865-241-1902

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From Benedetti BobTo Scott DavonskiCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Tuesday August 04 2009 92429 AM

Good morning Mr Davonski My opinion is that the intent of the requirement in Subsection 1141 of NFPA 30A Code for Motor FuelDispensing Facilities and Repair Garages is that any hose longer than 18 feet should not simply bestrung along the dockrsquos surface Using a reel would be one means of securing the hose although Irsquomsure other methods such as hangers would work as well Please understand that this response to your inquiry is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 of NFPArsquos RegulationsGoverning Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitively determine compliance with anylaws ordinances rules or regulations To determine the adequacy or safety of any device or installationyou should consult with an appropriate professional To determine legal compliance you should refer tothe appropriate authority having jurisdiction or seek legal advice I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will be happy toassist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarily represent the official positionof the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it berelied upon to provide professional consultation or services cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

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From Scott Davonski [mailtodavonskiRiverheadlicom] Sent Wednesday July 22 2009 1118 AMTo Benedetti BobSubject 30A clarification

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1141 All hose shall be listed Where hose length exceeds 55 m (18 ft) the hose shall besecured so as to protect it from damage Can you provide clarification as to what is meant by ldquosecured so as to protect it fromdamagerdquo Is the standard looking not to have the hoses on the dock In a reel Any clarificationinformation would be appreciated Scott W DavonskiChief Fire MarshalTown of RiverheadP- 631-727-3200 ext 209F- 631-727-3370

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Page 34: TECHNICAL COMMITTEE ON AUTOMOTIVE and MARINE … · SUBJECT: Agenda for ROC Meeting – October 4, 2010 _____ Ladies and Gentlemen: Attached is the Agenda for the NFPA 30A Report

From Benedetti BobTo Shriniwas BodhankarCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiBcc May PaulSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Monday June 14 2010 50100 PM

Good day Sir There has been no discussion by the Technical Committee on Automotive and Marine ServiceStations to alter the separation distances in Table 4324 of NFPA 30A Code for Motor FuelDispensing Facilities and Repair Garages as they pertain to liquid fuels including high flashpoint diesel fuels Also there have been no proposals to make such a change to NFPA 30A I trust this answers your question R P Benedetti cc -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

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From Shriniwas Bodhankar [mailtobodhankarenoccom] Sent Tuesday June 01 2010 536 AMTo Maynard Mary Benedetti BobSubject NFPA 30 A Dear sir Reference is made to table no 4324 of NFPA code 30A specifying the minimum distance between storagetanks and dispensing equipment A dispenser should be placed minimum 50 feet away from a bunded abovegroundsteel tank to meet this requirementIn our opinion this is too stringent and uncalled for in case of high flash diesel ( Flash point above 65 degreecentigrade) A bunded tank where spill can be contained within bund is as safe as a vaulted tankfire resistanttankprotected tank Therefore it is equally safe to install an approved dispensing device immediately outside thebund provided the vent of the tank is 4 meters above the grade level on which the dispensing device is installedVarious international oil companies like SHELL amp BP carry similar installations for their fleet customers of dieselMoreover there are standard skids being marketed in EUROPE (even for gasoline) which have storage tanks and

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dispensers on same skid and such an arrangement is accepted by ldquoAuthority Having Jurisdictionrdquo(AHJ)Kindly advise if this standard requirement is being reviewed or otherwise if based on performance based designsuch a requirement may be waived or considered as ldquo highly recommendedrdquo in the leastBased on your feedback we wish to discuss this with AHJ in UAE Regards Regards Shriniwas BodhankarSenior EHS Compliance Officer( Special Projects)Group EHSQ Compliance DepartmentEmirates National Oil Company Limited (ENOC) LLC ENOC House I PO Box 6442Dubai United Arab EmiratesDirect +971 4 313 4437Fax +971 4 313 4482bodhankarenoccom | wwwenoccom

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From Benedetti BobTo EActonccfireusCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiBcc May PaulSubject Inquiry NFPA 30A amp NFPA 30Date Monday August 02 2010 44400 PMAttachments DSC06169JPG

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Good day Mr Acton Fire protection provisions for major and minor repair garages and ldquolube-onlyrdquofacilities which is the topic of your concern are provided in NFPA 30A Code for MotorFuel Dispensing Facilities and Repair Garages currently 2008 edition Chapter 5 ofNFPA 30A covers piping systems but its specific provisions focus on piping systemsbetween fuel storage tanks and fuel dispensers Chapter 5 also directly referencesChapter 27 of the 2008 edition of NFPA 30 Flammable and Combustible Liquids Code(successor to Chapter 5 of the 2003 edition) Subsection 527 of NFPA 30A allows piping made from low-melting point materials tobe installed in exposed areas but only in specific locations These are limited tocontainment sumps under dispensers containment sumps for underground fuelstorage tanks and sumps for below-grade piping connections Chapter 5 of NFPA 30Ais silent on piping inside buildings Therefore the user is left with the provisions ofChapter 27 of NFPA 30 NFPA 30 in turn does allow piping fabricated of low melting point materials to beused exposed outdoors or inside buildings with the following provisions ldquo27441 Such materials shall be permitted to be used outdoors above ground orinside buildings provided they meet one of the following conditions (1) They are resistant to damage by fire(2) They are located so that any leakage resulting from failure will not exposepersons important buildings or structures(3) They are located where leakage can be controlled by operation of one or moreaccessible remotely located valvesrdquo Regardless of the material of construction of the piping and components the followinggeneral requirement from Chapter 27 of NFPA 30 always applies ldquo273 General Requirements2731 Performance Standards The design fabrication assembly test and inspectionof piping systems shall be suitable for the working pressures and structural stresses tobe encountered by the piping system Compliance with applicable sections of ASMEB31 Code for Pressure Piping and the provisions of this chapter shall be consideredprima facie evidence of compliance with the foregoing provisions2732 Tightness of Piping Piping systems shall be maintained liquidtight A pipingsystem that has leaks that constitute a hazard shall be emptied of liquid or repaired ina manner acceptable to the authority having jurisdictionrdquo Your interpretation of Subsection 511 of the 2003 edition of NFPA 30 (2711 in the2008 edition) is correct the chapter applies to any piping system that handles aflammable or combustible liquid regardless of pressure Likewise you are correct thatthe piping system must meet the provisions of ASME B31 for the material chosen andthe anticipated operating pressures and temperatures (531 in the 2003 edition 2741 in the 2008 edition) However low melting point materials (aluminum copperbrass and polymeric materials) are allowed under the provisions of Subsection 534(2003 edition) and 2744 (2008 edition) What must be determined is does thepiping system comply with one of the conditions stated in 27441 as stated above

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Please understand that this response is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 ofNFPArsquos Regulations Governing Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon todefinitively determine compliance with any laws ordinances rules or regulations Todetermine legal compliance you should refer to the appropriate authority havingjurisdiction or seek legal advice It is not intended nor should it be relied upon toprovide professional consultation or services To determine the adequacy or safety ofany device or installation you should consult with an appropriate professional I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write Iwill be happy to assist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant toNFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does notnecessarily represent the official position of the NFPA or its Technical Committees Inaddition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it be relied upon to provideprofessional consultation or services cc 30IFI 30AIFI AUVNM FLCTANNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

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From Eric Acton [mailtoEActonccfireus] Sent Monday July 19 2010 636 PMTo Benedetti BobSubject InterpretationOpinion request

Good day My name is Eric Acton I am the Fire Marshal for Campbell CountyWyoming and Irsquom employed by Campbell County Fire Department My NFPA

membership number is 2755369 My mailing and email addresses are listed below I am in need of a technical opinion regarding 2003 NFPA 30 Chapter 5 or morecurrently 2008 NFPA 30A Chapter 5 Some brief project backgroundAn owner within my jurisdiction has built a commercial lube-oil center to servicecustomersrsquo vehicles A ldquopitrdquo exists below the service bay to allow workers to drainthe oil from the vehicle then workers on the main floor refill the oil by use ofpressurized nozzles Several motor oil storage tanks are located in the pitaccounting for several brands and viscosities of oil The tanks are designed to befilled by use of a piping system which extends from an exterior connection vault toeach of the storage tanks using gravity to move the product in the fill-pipingsystem The material the owner chose to construct the fill-piping system wasldquostandardrdquo 1-12rdquo Schedule 40 PVC and Parker Series 7094 Electrically Non-Conductive rubber hose The piping system is exposed it is not underground nor isit protected from flame by means of a fire-rated chase Having identified the use of combustible liquids in this occupancy I utilized 2006International Fire Code (as adopted by my jurisdiction) Chapter 34 Flammable andCombustible Liquids to review and inspect the project IFC Section 340362referred me to NFPA 30 Chapter 5 for the construction materials to use where Iinterpreted (2003 version) 30511 to mean that the piping system components (pipetubing flanges bolting gaskets valves fittingshellip) must meet the requirementsregardless of pressure And that the following components specified in theparagraph must meet the requirements ONLY if they contained pressure ndashhelliprdquoexpansion joints and strainers and devices such thathelliprdquo I further interpreted(2003 version) 30531 Material Specifications similarly in that the ldquoPipe valvesfaucets couplingshelliprdquo must meet the requirements regardless of pressure while ldquohellipother pressure-containing partshelliprdquo meant ONLY the other parts that containedpressure Verbatim to 30511 is encountered in 2008 NFPA 30A Chapter 5paragraph 51 Scope The owner states his piping complies with the standard cited because it is gravity-fed hence no ldquopressurerdquo is seen by the piping components I maintain that thepiping system shall consist of metal pipe (or another material meeting therequirements of ASME B31 as allowed by 2003 NFPA 30531) to comply with NFPA30 and IFC Some assistance to resolve this problem is greatly appreciated I have attachedsome photographs for clarification Thanks for your attentionEric

Eric ActonFire MarshalCampbell County Fire Department 106 Rohan Avenue Gillette WY 82716 (307) 682-5319 ext 8912(307) 686-2222 Fax(307) 680-9612 Cell

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From Benedetti BobTo Howard Jim (Woodbridge)Cc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiBcc May PaulSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Monday June 28 2010 115100 AM

Good morning Mr Howard First I appreciate your patience with me while I reviewed the information sent to meby yourself and Mr Luby of Veeder-Root I wanted to ensure that I thoroughlyunderstood how the system functions in its line leak detection mode My understanding of the arrangement of the piping system from the pair ofunderground storage tanks is that the electronic line leak detector the PLLD tests thesupply piping from the two submersible pumps to the dispensers as a single system This includes the direct piping run from the master pump to the dispensers AND thepiping that connects the slave pump to the direct piping run The intent of Subsection 642 of the 2008 edition of NFPA 30A Code for Motor FuelDispensing Facilities and Repair Garages is to ensure that some type of leak detectiondevice monitors the piping from the submersible pump to the dispensers in such amanner that a leak in the piping leading to the dispensers or in the dispensersthemselves is detected and notification of a leak given Since the two pumps act intandem and since the entire piping system from the pumps to the dispensers ismonitored my personal opinion is that the intent of Subsection 642 is met andevaluation of the system described as being equivalent to what is required bySubsection 642 is reasonable Whether the system described meets the criteria of Section 15 Equivalency of NFPA30A must be determined by the authority having jurisdiction As NFPA Staff Liaison forNFPA 30A I cannot make such a determination under NFPArsquos Regulations GoverningCommittee Projects Please understand that this response is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 ofNFPArsquos Regulations Governing Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon todefinitively determine compliance with any laws ordinances rules or regulations Todetermine legal compliance you should refer to the appropriate authority havingjurisdiction or seek legal advice It is not intended nor should it be relied upon toprovide professional consultation or services To determine the adequacy or safety ofany device or installation you should consult with an appropriate professional I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write Iwill be happy to assist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant toNFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does notnecessarily represent the official position of the NFPA or its Technical Committees Inaddition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it be relied upon to provideprofessional consultation or services cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids Engineer

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National Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

If you have a reported fire in your home the risk of dyingdecreases by about 80 percent when sprinklers are present

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From Howard Jim (Woodbridge) [mailtoJHowardhesscom] Sent Monday June 14 2010 1144 AMTo Benedetti BobCc Howard Jim (Woodbridge) Bob Luby Subject Importance High Bob It was a pleasure talking to you this morning regarding the Line Leak Detection applicationin place at Hess Station 08501 - Milltown DE (drawing attached) as well as several thousandlocations worldwide Here is some background information on this installation

Site had 3 - 10000 gallon gasoline tanks 1 - 10000 Regular (87) 1 - 10000 Plus (89) 1 - 10000 Premium (93) prior to our Dispenser Replacement Project Because of theoverwhelming demand for Regular gasoline (887 in 2009) we converted the existingPlus tank to additional Regular storageDispensers were replaced with new Blend Dispensers Tanks were not manifoldedRegular and former-Plus product lines were manifolded at each dispenserWe installed Veeder-Root PLLDs (Electronic Line Leak Detectors) on the Regular 1and Premium STPs We installed a non-vented Swift Check on Regular 2 (formerPlus) STP Because the PLLD is vented we MUST install a non-vented swift check onRegular STP 2 in order to test the system as a wholeWe have demonstrated via post-construction testing that the system will pick up a 3gph leak

The State of DE has questioned our compliance with NFPA 30A 642 Each pump shallhave installed on the discharge side a listed leak detection device that will provide an audibleor visible indication if the piping or a dispenser is leaking Each leak-detecting device shallbe checked and tested at least annually according to the manufacturers specifications toensure proper installation and operation

Can you comment on whether the system shown on the attached and described above and onour call meets the NFPA requirement or if it meets the definition of Equivalency as definedin Chapter 15 - Equivalency Thank you in advance for your consideration in this matter Please do not hesitate to contactme if there are any questions or concerns on this application ThanksJim Howard RFMPManager Maintenance amp UST ComplianceHess Corporation732-750-6220 (office)800-903-4801 (Emergency Hotline)E-mail UST Inspections to USTCompliancehesscomFax UST Inspections to 866-435-6744

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From Benedetti BobTo Gary KostalCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiBcc May PaulSubject Inquiry NFPA 30 NFPA 30ADate Tuesday August 10 2010 43200 PM

Good afternoon Mr Kostal There are no provisions in NFPA 30 Flammable and Combustible Liquids Code togovern dispensing of motor fuels into motorized equipment and the devices youdescribe are not mentioned at all in NFPA 30 or in the only other related NFPAdocument that might apply NFPA 30A Code for Motor Fuel Dispensing Facilities andRepair Garages I cannot say that these units are either allowed or disallowed because neither NFPA30 nor NFPA 30A speaks about them The only provisions that might apply are the quantity limitations established in thesetwo codes depending on which code applies If the maintenance building is considered an industrial occupancy then Chapter 9 ofNFPA 30 establishes a maximum allowable quantity for of 120 gallons for Class Iliquids (The maximum allowable quantity is actually a threshold value Up to theMAQ compliance with NFPA 30 is not required above it NFPA 30 applies) If the maintenance building is considered a repair garage then NFPA 30A takesprecedence It also sets a 120 gallon limit on the maximum quantity of Class I liquid In both cases the quantity of fuel involved is 50 percent of the maximum allowed Myopinion is that there is no violation of either NFPA 30 or NFPA 30A Please understand that this response is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 ofNFPArsquos Regulations Governing Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon todefinitively determine compliance with any laws ordinances rules or regulations Todetermine legal compliance you should refer to the appropriate authority havingjurisdiction or seek legal advice It is not intended nor should it be relied upon toprovide professional consultation or services To determine the adequacy or safety ofany device or installation you should consult with an appropriate professional I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write Iwill be happy to assist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant toNFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does notnecessarily represent the official position of the NFPA or its Technical Committees Inaddition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it be relied upon to provideprofessional consultation or services cc 30IFI 30AIFI-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch Park

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Quincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg Important Notice This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPA RegulationsAny opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarily represent the officialposition of the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition this correspondence is neither intended norshould it be relied upon to provide professional consultation or services

Visit wwwfirepreventionweekorg or call 800-344-3555 for more information Check out FPW on social mediahellipwwwtwittercomfpw2010wwwfacebookcomfirepreventionweekhttpnfpatypepadcomfpw Check out NFPA onhellip

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From Gary Kostal [mailtogarykbloomingdalefirecom] Sent Monday August 09 2010 328 PMTo Benedetti BobSubject Looking for assistance - portable gas caddies Membership 2329840 Gary KostalFire Prevention DirectorBloomingdale Fire District Question (Non-formal opinion) I have a country club where they service a very large number of lawn maintenance equipment on a dailybasis They are utilizing a portable gas container (gas caddy) that holds approximately 30 gallons ofgasoline The unit is equipped with a hand style pump which is located on the top of the tank Fuel isdispensed from this tank as you crank the pump There are no nozzles located on the hose These gascaddies are being used inside their maintenance building which is fully fire sprinkled They are presentlyusing two of these devices inside the same building which is basically one days use

My question is are these devices allowed for this type of dispensing Are they required to be equippedwith a self closing nozzle What NFPA sections would apply to this particular type of device Thank you for your assistance in this matter

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From Benedetti BobTo SheldonSchallWisconsingovCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Wednesday September 30 2009 45929 PM

Good afternoon Sheldon I will here provide more detailed answers to your questions as posed in the email you sent to me today Section 30A-4323 limits tank storage capacity for Class I and II No limit for Class IIIA or IIIB

You are correct The intent of 4323 is to limit the capacities only of those tanks that storeClass I and II liquids Recall that when NFPA 30A initially allowed aboveground storage tanks atvehicle fueling sites biofuels were not in the picture just gasoline (Class I) and diesel fuel (ClassII) The Technical Committee at the time did not conceive that there would be the need to storeClass III fuels because there werenrsquot any The bottom line NFPA 30A does not limit the capacityof an aboveground storage tank that holds a motor fuel that is a Class III liquid

Section 30A-4324 refers to setbacks in Table 4324 No indication that these setbacks are specific toor exclude any class of flammable or combustible so it appears that the setbacks apply to Class I -Class IIIB liquids This table appears to conflict with the previous section for Class IIIA amp IIIB liquids

This is again correct that the separation distances in Table 4324 are not specific to anyparticular Class of liquid There is no conflict however 4323 deals with tank capacities 4324 deals with separation distances for the tanks Since 4324 does not specify anyparticular liquid class(es) it applies to ALL liquid classes

Section 30A-4325 allows an increased capacity for Class II and III liquids at fleet facilities Thisappears to conflict with section 4323 for Class III liquids which didnt have a capacity limit to startwith

Here there is a conflict or at least a serious inconsistency This provision was added one or twoeditions after 4323 and it appears that biofuels are beginning to be recognized It also appearsthat the intent here was to allow a relaxation of one limit in favor of a more liberal one Theproblem is the original limit doesnrsquot exist making it arguable that the application of 4325 toClass III liquids is meaningless Given the obvious intent here for some limit on Class III liquidfuels 4323 should be amended to include Class IIIs

Section 30A-4327 addresses dispensing from an aboveground tank for Class I and II liquids based uponspecific conditions

Paragraph 4322 is a hold-over dating back to when service stations were covered in Chapter 7of the old versions of NFPA 30 This set of requirements should also be amended to include ClassIIIs

Section 30A-4328 refers to NFPA 30-2171 for spill and overfill This section only applies to class Iand II liquids

While it is true that Subsection 2171 of NFPA 30 only applies to Classes I and II I do not believeit is a conflict for NFPA 30A to also apply it to Class III as well if the Technical Committee it isappropriate to do so However the language needs to be improved or an Annex item should beadded to explain the extrapolation and the reason for it

I will add this to the next meetingrsquos agenda for the Technical Committee on Automotive and MarineService Stations As usual the following applies Please understand that this response to your inquiry is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 of NFPArsquos RegulationsGoverning Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitively determine compliance with anylaws ordinances rules or regulations To determine the adequacy or safety of any device or installationyou should consult with an appropriate professional To determine legal compliance you should refer tothe appropriate authority having jurisdiction or seek legal advice

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I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will be happy toassist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarily represent the official positionof the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it berelied upon to provide professional consultation or services cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

Fire Prevention Week is October 4 ndash 10 2009 Visit wwwfirepreventionweekorg or call 800-344-3555 for moreinformation NFPA Seminars - Apply the codes with confidenceRegister at wwwnfpalearnorg NFPA Membership keeps you up-to-dateVisit wwwnfpaorgjoin for more information Or call 800-344-3555Notice The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for theexclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential andor privileged information If you are not the intendedrecipient please notify Robert Benedetti immediately by replying to the message or by calling (617) 984-7433 Please deletethis message and any attachments from your system Thank you Considering the variables in the sections referenced above are the setbacks in Table 4324 intended toapply to Class IIIA andor Class IIIB liquids for public fueling

From Schall Sheldon - COMMERCE [mailtoSheldonSchallWisconsingov] Sent Wednesday September 30 2009 832 AMTo Benedetti BobSubject NFPA 30A-4324 inquiry - URGENT Section 30A-4323 limits tank storage capacity for Class I and II No limit for Class IIIA or IIIB trueSection 30A-4324 refers to setbacks in Table 4324 No indication that these setbacks are specific toor exclude any class of flammable or combustible so it appears that the setbacks apply to Class I -Class IIIB liquids This table appears to conflict with the previous section for Class IIIA amp IIIB liquids Also trueSection 30A-4325 allows an increased capacity for Class II and III liquids at fleet facilities Thisappears to conflict with section 4323 for Class III liquids which didnt have a capacity limit to startwith Either one or the other needs to changeSection 30A-4327 addresses dispensing from an aboveground tank for Class I and II liquids based uponspecific conditions Need to cover IIIBSection 30A-4328 refers to NFPA 30-2171 for spill and overfill This section only applies to class Iand II liquids Class IIIs need to be specifically addressed Considering the variables in the sections referenced above are the setbacks in Table 4324 intended toapply to Class IIIA andor Class IIIB liquids for public fueling

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From Benedetti BobTo Bill HickmanCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Monday December 14 2009 50332 PM

Good afternoon Mr Hickman To answer your question the separation distances in Table 4324 of NFPA 30A Code for MotorFuel Dispensing Facilities and Repair Garages are intended to apply to outside abovegroundstorage tanks for fuel where such is allowed The tanks inside a service station building majorrepair garage or minor repair garage would likely be handling Class IIIB liquids (flash point gt200 degF) only in accordance with Subsection 4392 of NFPA 30A Subsection 4392 does not set any specific requirements for separation between tanks inside abuilding although it does refer back to Chapters 21 through 23 of NFPA 30 Flammable andCombustible Liquids Code Shell-to-shell spacing distances for aboveground tanks areestablished in Table 22421 Table 22421 is intended for much large tanks than one wouldfind in a repair garage or ldquolube-onlyrdquo facility For example the minimum separation for tanksstoring Class IIIB liquids is 3 feet as set forth in 224212 But again the separationdistances in Chapter 22 of NFPA 30 are intended for tank farm application not for the muchsmaller tanks found in the type of occupancy governed by NFPA 30A Also any facility meeting the requirements of NFPA 30A is considered to be in compliance withNFPA 30 Please understand that this response to your inquiry is a personal opinion and does notconstitute a Formal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 ofNFPArsquos Regulations Governing Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitivelydetermine compliance with any laws ordinances rules or regulations To determine theadequacy or safety of any device or installation you should consult with an appropriateprofessional To determine legal compliance you should refer to the appropriate authorityhaving jurisdiction or seek legal advice I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will behappy to assist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPARegulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarilyrepresent the official position of the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition thiscorrespondence is neither intended nor should it be relied upon to provide professional consultation orservices cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg If you have a reported fire in your home the risk of dyingdecreases by about 80 percent when sprinklers are present

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wwwfiresprinklerinitiativeorgNotice The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for theexclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential andor privileged information If you are not the intendedrecipient please notify Robert Benedetti immediately by replying to the message or by calling (617) 984-7433 Please deletethis message and any attachments from your system Thank you

From Bill Hickman [mailtoBillHickmanstatecous] Sent Tuesday December 01 2009 939 AMTo Benedetti BobSubject Inquiry NFPA 30A - Storage of Liquids Inside Buildings Mr Benedetti Id appreciate your interpretation on an item regarding aboveground tanks storing lubricants (newused oil) inside abuilding at a repair garage NFPA 30A 439 does not include specific spacing requirements for tanks inside buildings Where there are multiple tanks being stored inside the building is there no minimum separation distance requirementthat must be met or do the requirements of Table 4324 apply Thank you in advance for your assistance __________________________________ Bill HickmanInspectorTechnical SpecialistCO Division of Oil amp Public Safety303-378-5090

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From Benedetti BobTo Peznowski EdwardCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Thursday September 03 2009 30455 PM

Hi Ed The 1996 edition of the Flammable and Combustible Liquids Code Handbook was the last one prior to thecurrent 2008 edition The commentary hasnrsquot changed My recollection of the development of this text is that the intent of NFPA 30A Code for Motor FuelDispensing Facilities and Repair Garages is to isolate the motor fuel dispensing area and its attendanthazard completely from the rest of the structure regardless of what else might be in the structure Subsection 524 assumes that the installation involves a motor fuel dispensing operation inside abuilding where you would not expect to have same such as an office building A bus repair facility wouldbe probably classed as a major repair garage and would be expected to have fueling operations Thehazard of this is in my opinion no greater than the repair operations It could be that the language in Subsection 524 needs to be clarified so that it applies only to situationssuch as I first described Please understand that this response to your inquiry is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 of NFPArsquos RegulationsGoverning Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitively determine compliance with anylaws ordinances rules or regulations To determine the adequacy or safety of any device or installationyou should consult with an appropriate professional To determine legal compliance you should refer tothe appropriate authority having jurisdiction or seek legal advice I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will be happy toassist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarily represent the official positionof the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it berelied upon to provide professional consultation or services cc 30AIFI 30AFAQ AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

Fire Prevention Week is October 4 ndash 10 2009 Visit wwwfirepreventionweekorg or call 800-344-3555 for moreinformation NFPA Seminars - Apply the codes with confidenceRegister at wwwnfpalearnorg NFPA Membership keeps you up-to-dateVisit wwwnfpaorgjoin for more information Or call 800-344-3555Notice The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for the

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exclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential andor privileged information If you are not the intendedrecipient please notify Robert Benedetti immediately by replying to the message or by calling (617) 984-7433 Please deletethis message and any attachments from your system Thank you

From Peznowski Edward [mailtoEdwardPeznowskipostatectus] Sent Monday August 31 2009 127 PMTo Benedetti BobSubject NFPA 30A Hi Bob Sorry to bother you but I need your help and interpretation of the following section of NFPA 30A 2000edition 524 - All piping inside buildings but outside the motor fuel dispensing area shall be enclosed within ahorizontal chase or a vertical shaft used only for this piping Vertical shafts and horizontal chases shall beconstructed of materials having a fire resistance rating of not less than 2 hours Bob I have a bus repair facility being built and we have fuel dispensing area within the building enclosedwith a 2hr fire resistive separation My question is I have diesel fuel piping coming from two tanks locatedoutside of the building the piping runs outside of the dispensing area does this piping need to be enclosed Ihave the proper UL listed system for through wall penetrations My problem lies here I have natural gas heating fuel oil lines for boilers and diesel fuel line for thegenerator all running through the area outside the 2 hour rated dispensing area which are not required to beenclosed My thought is within the 2 hour fire resistive construction I have storage rooms for grease and oil a office forfuel dispensing Any fuel piping running through these areas would be enclosed but once I go outside my 2hrrated enclosure the piping would not have to be enclosed NFPA 30A (1996edition)6-42 - All fuel and flammable vapor piping inside buildings but outside the service station area shall beenclosed within a horizontal chase or a vertical shaft used only for this piping Vertical shafts and horizontalchases shall be constructed of materials having a fire resistance rating of not less than 2 hoursCOMMENTARY 6-42 The intent of this requirement is to preserve the isolation of the service stationoperation from the rest of the building I donrsquot have the 2000 handbook for commentary Thanks Bob Edward J PeznowskiFire amp Life Safety SpecialistBureau of EngineeringOffice State Fire Marshal860-685-8350

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From Benedetti BobTo Hamilton James P (HOY)Cc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiSubject Inquiry NFPA 30A-2008Date Monday September 14 2009 115041 AM

Good morning Mr Hamilton The intent of this particular provision of Subsection 672 of NFPA 30A Code for Motor Fuel DispensingFacilities and Repair Garages is to ensure that the patron has access to a second disconnect if he or shecannot reach the primary disconnect ie the one that is between 20 and 100 feet from the dispenser In my opinion all of the emergency disconnects required by Section 67 must be at least 20 ft but normore than 100 ft from the nearest dispenser Please understand that this response to your inquiry is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 of NFPArsquos RegulationsGoverning Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitively determine compliance with anylaws ordinances rules or regulations To determine the adequacy or safety of any device or installationyou should consult with an appropriate professional To determine legal compliance you should refer tothe appropriate authority having jurisdiction or seek legal advice I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will be happy toassist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarily represent the official positionof the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it berelied upon to provide professional consultation or services cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

Fire Prevention Week is October 4 ndash 10 2009 Visit wwwfirepreventionweekorg or call 800-344-3555 for moreinformation NFPA Seminars - Apply the codes with confidenceRegister at wwwnfpalearnorg NFPA Membership keeps you up-to-dateVisit wwwnfpaorgjoin for more information Or call 800-344-3555Notice The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for theexclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential andor privileged information If you are not the intendedrecipient please notify Robert Benedetti immediately by replying to the message or by calling (617) 984-7433 Please deletethis message and any attachments from your system Thank you

From Hamilton James P (HOY) [mailtoHAMILTONJPbechteljacobsorg] Sent Thursday September 10 2009 1224 PMTo Benedetti BobSubject NFPA 30A 2008 Edition

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Importance High

NFPA 30A 672 states at least one additional device or disconnect shall be readily accessible toeach group of dispensing devices on an individual island Our installation does not have islands Should the second emergency shutoff be installed close to the pumps or between 20 and 100 ofthe pumps

Please respond back via email hamiltonjpbechteljacobsorg

Thanks

NFPA 127130 James P Hamilton CFPSTetraTek Inc - Fire Safety TechnologiesFire Protection LeadK-27 Pre-Demo Project 790 Emory Valley Rd 811 Oak Ridge TN 37830 ETTP Office 865-241-1902

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From Benedetti BobTo Scott DavonskiCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Tuesday August 04 2009 92429 AM

Good morning Mr Davonski My opinion is that the intent of the requirement in Subsection 1141 of NFPA 30A Code for Motor FuelDispensing Facilities and Repair Garages is that any hose longer than 18 feet should not simply bestrung along the dockrsquos surface Using a reel would be one means of securing the hose although Irsquomsure other methods such as hangers would work as well Please understand that this response to your inquiry is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 of NFPArsquos RegulationsGoverning Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitively determine compliance with anylaws ordinances rules or regulations To determine the adequacy or safety of any device or installationyou should consult with an appropriate professional To determine legal compliance you should refer tothe appropriate authority having jurisdiction or seek legal advice I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will be happy toassist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarily represent the official positionof the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it berelied upon to provide professional consultation or services cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

Fire Prevention Week is October 4 ndash 10 2009 Visit wwwfirepreventionweekorg or call 800-344-3555 for moreinformation NFPA Seminars - Apply the codes with confidenceRegister at wwwnfpalearnorg NFPA Membership keeps you up-to-dateVisit wwwnfpaorgjoin for more information Or call 800-344-3555Notice The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for theexclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential andor privileged information If you are not the intendedrecipient please notify Robert Benedetti immediately by replying to the message or by calling (617) 984-7433 Please deletethis message and any attachments from your system Thank you

From Scott Davonski [mailtodavonskiRiverheadlicom] Sent Wednesday July 22 2009 1118 AMTo Benedetti BobSubject 30A clarification

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1141 All hose shall be listed Where hose length exceeds 55 m (18 ft) the hose shall besecured so as to protect it from damage Can you provide clarification as to what is meant by ldquosecured so as to protect it fromdamagerdquo Is the standard looking not to have the hoses on the dock In a reel Any clarificationinformation would be appreciated Scott W DavonskiChief Fire MarshalTown of RiverheadP- 631-727-3200 ext 209F- 631-727-3370

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dispensers on same skid and such an arrangement is accepted by ldquoAuthority Having Jurisdictionrdquo(AHJ)Kindly advise if this standard requirement is being reviewed or otherwise if based on performance based designsuch a requirement may be waived or considered as ldquo highly recommendedrdquo in the leastBased on your feedback we wish to discuss this with AHJ in UAE Regards Regards Shriniwas BodhankarSenior EHS Compliance Officer( Special Projects)Group EHSQ Compliance DepartmentEmirates National Oil Company Limited (ENOC) LLC ENOC House I PO Box 6442Dubai United Arab EmiratesDirect +971 4 313 4437Fax +971 4 313 4482bodhankarenoccom | wwwenoccom

This message together with any attachments contains confidential information and is intended only for the use of theaddressee(s) and may contain information which is covered by legal professional or other privilege If you are not theintended recipient please inform the sender immediately and delete this e-mail You should not copy this e-mail or use itfor any purpose nor disclose its contents to any other person ENOC does not warrant that this transmission is virus freeand will not be liable for any damages resulting from any virus ENOC Dubai UAE

From Benedetti BobTo EActonccfireusCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiBcc May PaulSubject Inquiry NFPA 30A amp NFPA 30Date Monday August 02 2010 44400 PMAttachments DSC06169JPG

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Good day Mr Acton Fire protection provisions for major and minor repair garages and ldquolube-onlyrdquofacilities which is the topic of your concern are provided in NFPA 30A Code for MotorFuel Dispensing Facilities and Repair Garages currently 2008 edition Chapter 5 ofNFPA 30A covers piping systems but its specific provisions focus on piping systemsbetween fuel storage tanks and fuel dispensers Chapter 5 also directly referencesChapter 27 of the 2008 edition of NFPA 30 Flammable and Combustible Liquids Code(successor to Chapter 5 of the 2003 edition) Subsection 527 of NFPA 30A allows piping made from low-melting point materials tobe installed in exposed areas but only in specific locations These are limited tocontainment sumps under dispensers containment sumps for underground fuelstorage tanks and sumps for below-grade piping connections Chapter 5 of NFPA 30Ais silent on piping inside buildings Therefore the user is left with the provisions ofChapter 27 of NFPA 30 NFPA 30 in turn does allow piping fabricated of low melting point materials to beused exposed outdoors or inside buildings with the following provisions ldquo27441 Such materials shall be permitted to be used outdoors above ground orinside buildings provided they meet one of the following conditions (1) They are resistant to damage by fire(2) They are located so that any leakage resulting from failure will not exposepersons important buildings or structures(3) They are located where leakage can be controlled by operation of one or moreaccessible remotely located valvesrdquo Regardless of the material of construction of the piping and components the followinggeneral requirement from Chapter 27 of NFPA 30 always applies ldquo273 General Requirements2731 Performance Standards The design fabrication assembly test and inspectionof piping systems shall be suitable for the working pressures and structural stresses tobe encountered by the piping system Compliance with applicable sections of ASMEB31 Code for Pressure Piping and the provisions of this chapter shall be consideredprima facie evidence of compliance with the foregoing provisions2732 Tightness of Piping Piping systems shall be maintained liquidtight A pipingsystem that has leaks that constitute a hazard shall be emptied of liquid or repaired ina manner acceptable to the authority having jurisdictionrdquo Your interpretation of Subsection 511 of the 2003 edition of NFPA 30 (2711 in the2008 edition) is correct the chapter applies to any piping system that handles aflammable or combustible liquid regardless of pressure Likewise you are correct thatthe piping system must meet the provisions of ASME B31 for the material chosen andthe anticipated operating pressures and temperatures (531 in the 2003 edition 2741 in the 2008 edition) However low melting point materials (aluminum copperbrass and polymeric materials) are allowed under the provisions of Subsection 534(2003 edition) and 2744 (2008 edition) What must be determined is does thepiping system comply with one of the conditions stated in 27441 as stated above

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Please understand that this response is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 ofNFPArsquos Regulations Governing Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon todefinitively determine compliance with any laws ordinances rules or regulations Todetermine legal compliance you should refer to the appropriate authority havingjurisdiction or seek legal advice It is not intended nor should it be relied upon toprovide professional consultation or services To determine the adequacy or safety ofany device or installation you should consult with an appropriate professional I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write Iwill be happy to assist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant toNFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does notnecessarily represent the official position of the NFPA or its Technical Committees Inaddition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it be relied upon to provideprofessional consultation or services cc 30IFI 30AIFI AUVNM FLCTANNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

If you have a reported fire in your home the risk of dyingdecreases by about 80 percent when sprinklers are present

wwwfiresprinklerinitiativeorgNotice The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intendedfor the exclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential andor privileged information If you arenot the intended recipient please notify Robert Benedetti immediately by replying to the message or by calling(617) 984-7433 Please delete this message and any attachments from your system Thank you

From Eric Acton [mailtoEActonccfireus] Sent Monday July 19 2010 636 PMTo Benedetti BobSubject InterpretationOpinion request

Good day My name is Eric Acton I am the Fire Marshal for Campbell CountyWyoming and Irsquom employed by Campbell County Fire Department My NFPA

membership number is 2755369 My mailing and email addresses are listed below I am in need of a technical opinion regarding 2003 NFPA 30 Chapter 5 or morecurrently 2008 NFPA 30A Chapter 5 Some brief project backgroundAn owner within my jurisdiction has built a commercial lube-oil center to servicecustomersrsquo vehicles A ldquopitrdquo exists below the service bay to allow workers to drainthe oil from the vehicle then workers on the main floor refill the oil by use ofpressurized nozzles Several motor oil storage tanks are located in the pitaccounting for several brands and viscosities of oil The tanks are designed to befilled by use of a piping system which extends from an exterior connection vault toeach of the storage tanks using gravity to move the product in the fill-pipingsystem The material the owner chose to construct the fill-piping system wasldquostandardrdquo 1-12rdquo Schedule 40 PVC and Parker Series 7094 Electrically Non-Conductive rubber hose The piping system is exposed it is not underground nor isit protected from flame by means of a fire-rated chase Having identified the use of combustible liquids in this occupancy I utilized 2006International Fire Code (as adopted by my jurisdiction) Chapter 34 Flammable andCombustible Liquids to review and inspect the project IFC Section 340362referred me to NFPA 30 Chapter 5 for the construction materials to use where Iinterpreted (2003 version) 30511 to mean that the piping system components (pipetubing flanges bolting gaskets valves fittingshellip) must meet the requirementsregardless of pressure And that the following components specified in theparagraph must meet the requirements ONLY if they contained pressure ndashhelliprdquoexpansion joints and strainers and devices such thathelliprdquo I further interpreted(2003 version) 30531 Material Specifications similarly in that the ldquoPipe valvesfaucets couplingshelliprdquo must meet the requirements regardless of pressure while ldquohellipother pressure-containing partshelliprdquo meant ONLY the other parts that containedpressure Verbatim to 30511 is encountered in 2008 NFPA 30A Chapter 5paragraph 51 Scope The owner states his piping complies with the standard cited because it is gravity-fed hence no ldquopressurerdquo is seen by the piping components I maintain that thepiping system shall consist of metal pipe (or another material meeting therequirements of ASME B31 as allowed by 2003 NFPA 30531) to comply with NFPA30 and IFC Some assistance to resolve this problem is greatly appreciated I have attachedsome photographs for clarification Thanks for your attentionEric

Eric ActonFire MarshalCampbell County Fire Department 106 Rohan Avenue Gillette WY 82716 (307) 682-5319 ext 8912(307) 686-2222 Fax(307) 680-9612 Cell

eactonccfireus (No trees were harmed in the production of this e-mail however a huge number of electrons were horribly inconvenienced)

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From Benedetti BobTo Howard Jim (Woodbridge)Cc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiBcc May PaulSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Monday June 28 2010 115100 AM

Good morning Mr Howard First I appreciate your patience with me while I reviewed the information sent to meby yourself and Mr Luby of Veeder-Root I wanted to ensure that I thoroughlyunderstood how the system functions in its line leak detection mode My understanding of the arrangement of the piping system from the pair ofunderground storage tanks is that the electronic line leak detector the PLLD tests thesupply piping from the two submersible pumps to the dispensers as a single system This includes the direct piping run from the master pump to the dispensers AND thepiping that connects the slave pump to the direct piping run The intent of Subsection 642 of the 2008 edition of NFPA 30A Code for Motor FuelDispensing Facilities and Repair Garages is to ensure that some type of leak detectiondevice monitors the piping from the submersible pump to the dispensers in such amanner that a leak in the piping leading to the dispensers or in the dispensersthemselves is detected and notification of a leak given Since the two pumps act intandem and since the entire piping system from the pumps to the dispensers ismonitored my personal opinion is that the intent of Subsection 642 is met andevaluation of the system described as being equivalent to what is required bySubsection 642 is reasonable Whether the system described meets the criteria of Section 15 Equivalency of NFPA30A must be determined by the authority having jurisdiction As NFPA Staff Liaison forNFPA 30A I cannot make such a determination under NFPArsquos Regulations GoverningCommittee Projects Please understand that this response is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 ofNFPArsquos Regulations Governing Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon todefinitively determine compliance with any laws ordinances rules or regulations Todetermine legal compliance you should refer to the appropriate authority havingjurisdiction or seek legal advice It is not intended nor should it be relied upon toprovide professional consultation or services To determine the adequacy or safety ofany device or installation you should consult with an appropriate professional I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write Iwill be happy to assist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant toNFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does notnecessarily represent the official position of the NFPA or its Technical Committees Inaddition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it be relied upon to provideprofessional consultation or services cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids Engineer

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National Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

If you have a reported fire in your home the risk of dyingdecreases by about 80 percent when sprinklers are present

wwwfiresprinklerinitiativeorgNotice The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intendedfor the exclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential andor privileged information If you arenot the intended recipient please notify Robert Benedetti immediately by replying to the message or by calling(617) 984-7433 Please delete this message and any attachments from your system Thank you

From Howard Jim (Woodbridge) [mailtoJHowardhesscom] Sent Monday June 14 2010 1144 AMTo Benedetti BobCc Howard Jim (Woodbridge) Bob Luby Subject Importance High Bob It was a pleasure talking to you this morning regarding the Line Leak Detection applicationin place at Hess Station 08501 - Milltown DE (drawing attached) as well as several thousandlocations worldwide Here is some background information on this installation

Site had 3 - 10000 gallon gasoline tanks 1 - 10000 Regular (87) 1 - 10000 Plus (89) 1 - 10000 Premium (93) prior to our Dispenser Replacement Project Because of theoverwhelming demand for Regular gasoline (887 in 2009) we converted the existingPlus tank to additional Regular storageDispensers were replaced with new Blend Dispensers Tanks were not manifoldedRegular and former-Plus product lines were manifolded at each dispenserWe installed Veeder-Root PLLDs (Electronic Line Leak Detectors) on the Regular 1and Premium STPs We installed a non-vented Swift Check on Regular 2 (formerPlus) STP Because the PLLD is vented we MUST install a non-vented swift check onRegular STP 2 in order to test the system as a wholeWe have demonstrated via post-construction testing that the system will pick up a 3gph leak

The State of DE has questioned our compliance with NFPA 30A 642 Each pump shallhave installed on the discharge side a listed leak detection device that will provide an audibleor visible indication if the piping or a dispenser is leaking Each leak-detecting device shallbe checked and tested at least annually according to the manufacturers specifications toensure proper installation and operation

Can you comment on whether the system shown on the attached and described above and onour call meets the NFPA requirement or if it meets the definition of Equivalency as definedin Chapter 15 - Equivalency Thank you in advance for your consideration in this matter Please do not hesitate to contactme if there are any questions or concerns on this application ThanksJim Howard RFMPManager Maintenance amp UST ComplianceHess Corporation732-750-6220 (office)800-903-4801 (Emergency Hotline)E-mail UST Inspections to USTCompliancehesscomFax UST Inspections to 866-435-6744

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From Benedetti BobTo Gary KostalCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiBcc May PaulSubject Inquiry NFPA 30 NFPA 30ADate Tuesday August 10 2010 43200 PM

Good afternoon Mr Kostal There are no provisions in NFPA 30 Flammable and Combustible Liquids Code togovern dispensing of motor fuels into motorized equipment and the devices youdescribe are not mentioned at all in NFPA 30 or in the only other related NFPAdocument that might apply NFPA 30A Code for Motor Fuel Dispensing Facilities andRepair Garages I cannot say that these units are either allowed or disallowed because neither NFPA30 nor NFPA 30A speaks about them The only provisions that might apply are the quantity limitations established in thesetwo codes depending on which code applies If the maintenance building is considered an industrial occupancy then Chapter 9 ofNFPA 30 establishes a maximum allowable quantity for of 120 gallons for Class Iliquids (The maximum allowable quantity is actually a threshold value Up to theMAQ compliance with NFPA 30 is not required above it NFPA 30 applies) If the maintenance building is considered a repair garage then NFPA 30A takesprecedence It also sets a 120 gallon limit on the maximum quantity of Class I liquid In both cases the quantity of fuel involved is 50 percent of the maximum allowed Myopinion is that there is no violation of either NFPA 30 or NFPA 30A Please understand that this response is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 ofNFPArsquos Regulations Governing Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon todefinitively determine compliance with any laws ordinances rules or regulations Todetermine legal compliance you should refer to the appropriate authority havingjurisdiction or seek legal advice It is not intended nor should it be relied upon toprovide professional consultation or services To determine the adequacy or safety ofany device or installation you should consult with an appropriate professional I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write Iwill be happy to assist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant toNFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does notnecessarily represent the official position of the NFPA or its Technical Committees Inaddition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it be relied upon to provideprofessional consultation or services cc 30IFI 30AIFI-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch Park

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Quincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg Important Notice This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPA RegulationsAny opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarily represent the officialposition of the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition this correspondence is neither intended norshould it be relied upon to provide professional consultation or services

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From Gary Kostal [mailtogarykbloomingdalefirecom] Sent Monday August 09 2010 328 PMTo Benedetti BobSubject Looking for assistance - portable gas caddies Membership 2329840 Gary KostalFire Prevention DirectorBloomingdale Fire District Question (Non-formal opinion) I have a country club where they service a very large number of lawn maintenance equipment on a dailybasis They are utilizing a portable gas container (gas caddy) that holds approximately 30 gallons ofgasoline The unit is equipped with a hand style pump which is located on the top of the tank Fuel isdispensed from this tank as you crank the pump There are no nozzles located on the hose These gascaddies are being used inside their maintenance building which is fully fire sprinkled They are presentlyusing two of these devices inside the same building which is basically one days use

My question is are these devices allowed for this type of dispensing Are they required to be equippedwith a self closing nozzle What NFPA sections would apply to this particular type of device Thank you for your assistance in this matter

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From Benedetti BobTo SheldonSchallWisconsingovCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Wednesday September 30 2009 45929 PM

Good afternoon Sheldon I will here provide more detailed answers to your questions as posed in the email you sent to me today Section 30A-4323 limits tank storage capacity for Class I and II No limit for Class IIIA or IIIB

You are correct The intent of 4323 is to limit the capacities only of those tanks that storeClass I and II liquids Recall that when NFPA 30A initially allowed aboveground storage tanks atvehicle fueling sites biofuels were not in the picture just gasoline (Class I) and diesel fuel (ClassII) The Technical Committee at the time did not conceive that there would be the need to storeClass III fuels because there werenrsquot any The bottom line NFPA 30A does not limit the capacityof an aboveground storage tank that holds a motor fuel that is a Class III liquid

Section 30A-4324 refers to setbacks in Table 4324 No indication that these setbacks are specific toor exclude any class of flammable or combustible so it appears that the setbacks apply to Class I -Class IIIB liquids This table appears to conflict with the previous section for Class IIIA amp IIIB liquids

This is again correct that the separation distances in Table 4324 are not specific to anyparticular Class of liquid There is no conflict however 4323 deals with tank capacities 4324 deals with separation distances for the tanks Since 4324 does not specify anyparticular liquid class(es) it applies to ALL liquid classes

Section 30A-4325 allows an increased capacity for Class II and III liquids at fleet facilities Thisappears to conflict with section 4323 for Class III liquids which didnt have a capacity limit to startwith

Here there is a conflict or at least a serious inconsistency This provision was added one or twoeditions after 4323 and it appears that biofuels are beginning to be recognized It also appearsthat the intent here was to allow a relaxation of one limit in favor of a more liberal one Theproblem is the original limit doesnrsquot exist making it arguable that the application of 4325 toClass III liquids is meaningless Given the obvious intent here for some limit on Class III liquidfuels 4323 should be amended to include Class IIIs

Section 30A-4327 addresses dispensing from an aboveground tank for Class I and II liquids based uponspecific conditions

Paragraph 4322 is a hold-over dating back to when service stations were covered in Chapter 7of the old versions of NFPA 30 This set of requirements should also be amended to include ClassIIIs

Section 30A-4328 refers to NFPA 30-2171 for spill and overfill This section only applies to class Iand II liquids

While it is true that Subsection 2171 of NFPA 30 only applies to Classes I and II I do not believeit is a conflict for NFPA 30A to also apply it to Class III as well if the Technical Committee it isappropriate to do so However the language needs to be improved or an Annex item should beadded to explain the extrapolation and the reason for it

I will add this to the next meetingrsquos agenda for the Technical Committee on Automotive and MarineService Stations As usual the following applies Please understand that this response to your inquiry is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 of NFPArsquos RegulationsGoverning Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitively determine compliance with anylaws ordinances rules or regulations To determine the adequacy or safety of any device or installationyou should consult with an appropriate professional To determine legal compliance you should refer tothe appropriate authority having jurisdiction or seek legal advice

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I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will be happy toassist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarily represent the official positionof the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it berelied upon to provide professional consultation or services cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

Fire Prevention Week is October 4 ndash 10 2009 Visit wwwfirepreventionweekorg or call 800-344-3555 for moreinformation NFPA Seminars - Apply the codes with confidenceRegister at wwwnfpalearnorg NFPA Membership keeps you up-to-dateVisit wwwnfpaorgjoin for more information Or call 800-344-3555Notice The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for theexclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential andor privileged information If you are not the intendedrecipient please notify Robert Benedetti immediately by replying to the message or by calling (617) 984-7433 Please deletethis message and any attachments from your system Thank you Considering the variables in the sections referenced above are the setbacks in Table 4324 intended toapply to Class IIIA andor Class IIIB liquids for public fueling

From Schall Sheldon - COMMERCE [mailtoSheldonSchallWisconsingov] Sent Wednesday September 30 2009 832 AMTo Benedetti BobSubject NFPA 30A-4324 inquiry - URGENT Section 30A-4323 limits tank storage capacity for Class I and II No limit for Class IIIA or IIIB trueSection 30A-4324 refers to setbacks in Table 4324 No indication that these setbacks are specific toor exclude any class of flammable or combustible so it appears that the setbacks apply to Class I -Class IIIB liquids This table appears to conflict with the previous section for Class IIIA amp IIIB liquids Also trueSection 30A-4325 allows an increased capacity for Class II and III liquids at fleet facilities Thisappears to conflict with section 4323 for Class III liquids which didnt have a capacity limit to startwith Either one or the other needs to changeSection 30A-4327 addresses dispensing from an aboveground tank for Class I and II liquids based uponspecific conditions Need to cover IIIBSection 30A-4328 refers to NFPA 30-2171 for spill and overfill This section only applies to class Iand II liquids Class IIIs need to be specifically addressed Considering the variables in the sections referenced above are the setbacks in Table 4324 intended toapply to Class IIIA andor Class IIIB liquids for public fueling

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From Benedetti BobTo Bill HickmanCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Monday December 14 2009 50332 PM

Good afternoon Mr Hickman To answer your question the separation distances in Table 4324 of NFPA 30A Code for MotorFuel Dispensing Facilities and Repair Garages are intended to apply to outside abovegroundstorage tanks for fuel where such is allowed The tanks inside a service station building majorrepair garage or minor repair garage would likely be handling Class IIIB liquids (flash point gt200 degF) only in accordance with Subsection 4392 of NFPA 30A Subsection 4392 does not set any specific requirements for separation between tanks inside abuilding although it does refer back to Chapters 21 through 23 of NFPA 30 Flammable andCombustible Liquids Code Shell-to-shell spacing distances for aboveground tanks areestablished in Table 22421 Table 22421 is intended for much large tanks than one wouldfind in a repair garage or ldquolube-onlyrdquo facility For example the minimum separation for tanksstoring Class IIIB liquids is 3 feet as set forth in 224212 But again the separationdistances in Chapter 22 of NFPA 30 are intended for tank farm application not for the muchsmaller tanks found in the type of occupancy governed by NFPA 30A Also any facility meeting the requirements of NFPA 30A is considered to be in compliance withNFPA 30 Please understand that this response to your inquiry is a personal opinion and does notconstitute a Formal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 ofNFPArsquos Regulations Governing Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitivelydetermine compliance with any laws ordinances rules or regulations To determine theadequacy or safety of any device or installation you should consult with an appropriateprofessional To determine legal compliance you should refer to the appropriate authorityhaving jurisdiction or seek legal advice I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will behappy to assist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPARegulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarilyrepresent the official position of the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition thiscorrespondence is neither intended nor should it be relied upon to provide professional consultation orservices cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg If you have a reported fire in your home the risk of dyingdecreases by about 80 percent when sprinklers are present

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From Bill Hickman [mailtoBillHickmanstatecous] Sent Tuesday December 01 2009 939 AMTo Benedetti BobSubject Inquiry NFPA 30A - Storage of Liquids Inside Buildings Mr Benedetti Id appreciate your interpretation on an item regarding aboveground tanks storing lubricants (newused oil) inside abuilding at a repair garage NFPA 30A 439 does not include specific spacing requirements for tanks inside buildings Where there are multiple tanks being stored inside the building is there no minimum separation distance requirementthat must be met or do the requirements of Table 4324 apply Thank you in advance for your assistance __________________________________ Bill HickmanInspectorTechnical SpecialistCO Division of Oil amp Public Safety303-378-5090

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From Benedetti BobTo Peznowski EdwardCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Thursday September 03 2009 30455 PM

Hi Ed The 1996 edition of the Flammable and Combustible Liquids Code Handbook was the last one prior to thecurrent 2008 edition The commentary hasnrsquot changed My recollection of the development of this text is that the intent of NFPA 30A Code for Motor FuelDispensing Facilities and Repair Garages is to isolate the motor fuel dispensing area and its attendanthazard completely from the rest of the structure regardless of what else might be in the structure Subsection 524 assumes that the installation involves a motor fuel dispensing operation inside abuilding where you would not expect to have same such as an office building A bus repair facility wouldbe probably classed as a major repair garage and would be expected to have fueling operations Thehazard of this is in my opinion no greater than the repair operations It could be that the language in Subsection 524 needs to be clarified so that it applies only to situationssuch as I first described Please understand that this response to your inquiry is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 of NFPArsquos RegulationsGoverning Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitively determine compliance with anylaws ordinances rules or regulations To determine the adequacy or safety of any device or installationyou should consult with an appropriate professional To determine legal compliance you should refer tothe appropriate authority having jurisdiction or seek legal advice I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will be happy toassist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarily represent the official positionof the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it berelied upon to provide professional consultation or services cc 30AIFI 30AFAQ AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

Fire Prevention Week is October 4 ndash 10 2009 Visit wwwfirepreventionweekorg or call 800-344-3555 for moreinformation NFPA Seminars - Apply the codes with confidenceRegister at wwwnfpalearnorg NFPA Membership keeps you up-to-dateVisit wwwnfpaorgjoin for more information Or call 800-344-3555Notice The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for the

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From Peznowski Edward [mailtoEdwardPeznowskipostatectus] Sent Monday August 31 2009 127 PMTo Benedetti BobSubject NFPA 30A Hi Bob Sorry to bother you but I need your help and interpretation of the following section of NFPA 30A 2000edition 524 - All piping inside buildings but outside the motor fuel dispensing area shall be enclosed within ahorizontal chase or a vertical shaft used only for this piping Vertical shafts and horizontal chases shall beconstructed of materials having a fire resistance rating of not less than 2 hours Bob I have a bus repair facility being built and we have fuel dispensing area within the building enclosedwith a 2hr fire resistive separation My question is I have diesel fuel piping coming from two tanks locatedoutside of the building the piping runs outside of the dispensing area does this piping need to be enclosed Ihave the proper UL listed system for through wall penetrations My problem lies here I have natural gas heating fuel oil lines for boilers and diesel fuel line for thegenerator all running through the area outside the 2 hour rated dispensing area which are not required to beenclosed My thought is within the 2 hour fire resistive construction I have storage rooms for grease and oil a office forfuel dispensing Any fuel piping running through these areas would be enclosed but once I go outside my 2hrrated enclosure the piping would not have to be enclosed NFPA 30A (1996edition)6-42 - All fuel and flammable vapor piping inside buildings but outside the service station area shall beenclosed within a horizontal chase or a vertical shaft used only for this piping Vertical shafts and horizontalchases shall be constructed of materials having a fire resistance rating of not less than 2 hoursCOMMENTARY 6-42 The intent of this requirement is to preserve the isolation of the service stationoperation from the rest of the building I donrsquot have the 2000 handbook for commentary Thanks Bob Edward J PeznowskiFire amp Life Safety SpecialistBureau of EngineeringOffice State Fire Marshal860-685-8350

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From Benedetti BobTo Hamilton James P (HOY)Cc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiSubject Inquiry NFPA 30A-2008Date Monday September 14 2009 115041 AM

Good morning Mr Hamilton The intent of this particular provision of Subsection 672 of NFPA 30A Code for Motor Fuel DispensingFacilities and Repair Garages is to ensure that the patron has access to a second disconnect if he or shecannot reach the primary disconnect ie the one that is between 20 and 100 feet from the dispenser In my opinion all of the emergency disconnects required by Section 67 must be at least 20 ft but normore than 100 ft from the nearest dispenser Please understand that this response to your inquiry is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 of NFPArsquos RegulationsGoverning Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitively determine compliance with anylaws ordinances rules or regulations To determine the adequacy or safety of any device or installationyou should consult with an appropriate professional To determine legal compliance you should refer tothe appropriate authority having jurisdiction or seek legal advice I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will be happy toassist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarily represent the official positionof the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it berelied upon to provide professional consultation or services cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

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From Hamilton James P (HOY) [mailtoHAMILTONJPbechteljacobsorg] Sent Thursday September 10 2009 1224 PMTo Benedetti BobSubject NFPA 30A 2008 Edition

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Importance High

NFPA 30A 672 states at least one additional device or disconnect shall be readily accessible toeach group of dispensing devices on an individual island Our installation does not have islands Should the second emergency shutoff be installed close to the pumps or between 20 and 100 ofthe pumps

Please respond back via email hamiltonjpbechteljacobsorg

Thanks

NFPA 127130 James P Hamilton CFPSTetraTek Inc - Fire Safety TechnologiesFire Protection LeadK-27 Pre-Demo Project 790 Emory Valley Rd 811 Oak Ridge TN 37830 ETTP Office 865-241-1902

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From Benedetti BobTo Scott DavonskiCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Tuesday August 04 2009 92429 AM

Good morning Mr Davonski My opinion is that the intent of the requirement in Subsection 1141 of NFPA 30A Code for Motor FuelDispensing Facilities and Repair Garages is that any hose longer than 18 feet should not simply bestrung along the dockrsquos surface Using a reel would be one means of securing the hose although Irsquomsure other methods such as hangers would work as well Please understand that this response to your inquiry is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 of NFPArsquos RegulationsGoverning Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitively determine compliance with anylaws ordinances rules or regulations To determine the adequacy or safety of any device or installationyou should consult with an appropriate professional To determine legal compliance you should refer tothe appropriate authority having jurisdiction or seek legal advice I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will be happy toassist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarily represent the official positionof the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it berelied upon to provide professional consultation or services cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

Fire Prevention Week is October 4 ndash 10 2009 Visit wwwfirepreventionweekorg or call 800-344-3555 for moreinformation NFPA Seminars - Apply the codes with confidenceRegister at wwwnfpalearnorg NFPA Membership keeps you up-to-dateVisit wwwnfpaorgjoin for more information Or call 800-344-3555Notice The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for theexclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential andor privileged information If you are not the intendedrecipient please notify Robert Benedetti immediately by replying to the message or by calling (617) 984-7433 Please deletethis message and any attachments from your system Thank you

From Scott Davonski [mailtodavonskiRiverheadlicom] Sent Wednesday July 22 2009 1118 AMTo Benedetti BobSubject 30A clarification

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1141 All hose shall be listed Where hose length exceeds 55 m (18 ft) the hose shall besecured so as to protect it from damage Can you provide clarification as to what is meant by ldquosecured so as to protect it fromdamagerdquo Is the standard looking not to have the hoses on the dock In a reel Any clarificationinformation would be appreciated Scott W DavonskiChief Fire MarshalTown of RiverheadP- 631-727-3200 ext 209F- 631-727-3370

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From Benedetti BobTo EActonccfireusCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiBcc May PaulSubject Inquiry NFPA 30A amp NFPA 30Date Monday August 02 2010 44400 PMAttachments DSC06169JPG

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Good day Mr Acton Fire protection provisions for major and minor repair garages and ldquolube-onlyrdquofacilities which is the topic of your concern are provided in NFPA 30A Code for MotorFuel Dispensing Facilities and Repair Garages currently 2008 edition Chapter 5 ofNFPA 30A covers piping systems but its specific provisions focus on piping systemsbetween fuel storage tanks and fuel dispensers Chapter 5 also directly referencesChapter 27 of the 2008 edition of NFPA 30 Flammable and Combustible Liquids Code(successor to Chapter 5 of the 2003 edition) Subsection 527 of NFPA 30A allows piping made from low-melting point materials tobe installed in exposed areas but only in specific locations These are limited tocontainment sumps under dispensers containment sumps for underground fuelstorage tanks and sumps for below-grade piping connections Chapter 5 of NFPA 30Ais silent on piping inside buildings Therefore the user is left with the provisions ofChapter 27 of NFPA 30 NFPA 30 in turn does allow piping fabricated of low melting point materials to beused exposed outdoors or inside buildings with the following provisions ldquo27441 Such materials shall be permitted to be used outdoors above ground orinside buildings provided they meet one of the following conditions (1) They are resistant to damage by fire(2) They are located so that any leakage resulting from failure will not exposepersons important buildings or structures(3) They are located where leakage can be controlled by operation of one or moreaccessible remotely located valvesrdquo Regardless of the material of construction of the piping and components the followinggeneral requirement from Chapter 27 of NFPA 30 always applies ldquo273 General Requirements2731 Performance Standards The design fabrication assembly test and inspectionof piping systems shall be suitable for the working pressures and structural stresses tobe encountered by the piping system Compliance with applicable sections of ASMEB31 Code for Pressure Piping and the provisions of this chapter shall be consideredprima facie evidence of compliance with the foregoing provisions2732 Tightness of Piping Piping systems shall be maintained liquidtight A pipingsystem that has leaks that constitute a hazard shall be emptied of liquid or repaired ina manner acceptable to the authority having jurisdictionrdquo Your interpretation of Subsection 511 of the 2003 edition of NFPA 30 (2711 in the2008 edition) is correct the chapter applies to any piping system that handles aflammable or combustible liquid regardless of pressure Likewise you are correct thatthe piping system must meet the provisions of ASME B31 for the material chosen andthe anticipated operating pressures and temperatures (531 in the 2003 edition 2741 in the 2008 edition) However low melting point materials (aluminum copperbrass and polymeric materials) are allowed under the provisions of Subsection 534(2003 edition) and 2744 (2008 edition) What must be determined is does thepiping system comply with one of the conditions stated in 27441 as stated above

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Please understand that this response is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 ofNFPArsquos Regulations Governing Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon todefinitively determine compliance with any laws ordinances rules or regulations Todetermine legal compliance you should refer to the appropriate authority havingjurisdiction or seek legal advice It is not intended nor should it be relied upon toprovide professional consultation or services To determine the adequacy or safety ofany device or installation you should consult with an appropriate professional I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write Iwill be happy to assist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant toNFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does notnecessarily represent the official position of the NFPA or its Technical Committees Inaddition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it be relied upon to provideprofessional consultation or services cc 30IFI 30AIFI AUVNM FLCTANNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

If you have a reported fire in your home the risk of dyingdecreases by about 80 percent when sprinklers are present

wwwfiresprinklerinitiativeorgNotice The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intendedfor the exclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential andor privileged information If you arenot the intended recipient please notify Robert Benedetti immediately by replying to the message or by calling(617) 984-7433 Please delete this message and any attachments from your system Thank you

From Eric Acton [mailtoEActonccfireus] Sent Monday July 19 2010 636 PMTo Benedetti BobSubject InterpretationOpinion request

Good day My name is Eric Acton I am the Fire Marshal for Campbell CountyWyoming and Irsquom employed by Campbell County Fire Department My NFPA

membership number is 2755369 My mailing and email addresses are listed below I am in need of a technical opinion regarding 2003 NFPA 30 Chapter 5 or morecurrently 2008 NFPA 30A Chapter 5 Some brief project backgroundAn owner within my jurisdiction has built a commercial lube-oil center to servicecustomersrsquo vehicles A ldquopitrdquo exists below the service bay to allow workers to drainthe oil from the vehicle then workers on the main floor refill the oil by use ofpressurized nozzles Several motor oil storage tanks are located in the pitaccounting for several brands and viscosities of oil The tanks are designed to befilled by use of a piping system which extends from an exterior connection vault toeach of the storage tanks using gravity to move the product in the fill-pipingsystem The material the owner chose to construct the fill-piping system wasldquostandardrdquo 1-12rdquo Schedule 40 PVC and Parker Series 7094 Electrically Non-Conductive rubber hose The piping system is exposed it is not underground nor isit protected from flame by means of a fire-rated chase Having identified the use of combustible liquids in this occupancy I utilized 2006International Fire Code (as adopted by my jurisdiction) Chapter 34 Flammable andCombustible Liquids to review and inspect the project IFC Section 340362referred me to NFPA 30 Chapter 5 for the construction materials to use where Iinterpreted (2003 version) 30511 to mean that the piping system components (pipetubing flanges bolting gaskets valves fittingshellip) must meet the requirementsregardless of pressure And that the following components specified in theparagraph must meet the requirements ONLY if they contained pressure ndashhelliprdquoexpansion joints and strainers and devices such thathelliprdquo I further interpreted(2003 version) 30531 Material Specifications similarly in that the ldquoPipe valvesfaucets couplingshelliprdquo must meet the requirements regardless of pressure while ldquohellipother pressure-containing partshelliprdquo meant ONLY the other parts that containedpressure Verbatim to 30511 is encountered in 2008 NFPA 30A Chapter 5paragraph 51 Scope The owner states his piping complies with the standard cited because it is gravity-fed hence no ldquopressurerdquo is seen by the piping components I maintain that thepiping system shall consist of metal pipe (or another material meeting therequirements of ASME B31 as allowed by 2003 NFPA 30531) to comply with NFPA30 and IFC Some assistance to resolve this problem is greatly appreciated I have attachedsome photographs for clarification Thanks for your attentionEric

Eric ActonFire MarshalCampbell County Fire Department 106 Rohan Avenue Gillette WY 82716 (307) 682-5319 ext 8912(307) 686-2222 Fax(307) 680-9612 Cell

eactonccfireus (No trees were harmed in the production of this e-mail however a huge number of electrons were horribly inconvenienced)

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From Benedetti BobTo Howard Jim (Woodbridge)Cc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiBcc May PaulSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Monday June 28 2010 115100 AM

Good morning Mr Howard First I appreciate your patience with me while I reviewed the information sent to meby yourself and Mr Luby of Veeder-Root I wanted to ensure that I thoroughlyunderstood how the system functions in its line leak detection mode My understanding of the arrangement of the piping system from the pair ofunderground storage tanks is that the electronic line leak detector the PLLD tests thesupply piping from the two submersible pumps to the dispensers as a single system This includes the direct piping run from the master pump to the dispensers AND thepiping that connects the slave pump to the direct piping run The intent of Subsection 642 of the 2008 edition of NFPA 30A Code for Motor FuelDispensing Facilities and Repair Garages is to ensure that some type of leak detectiondevice monitors the piping from the submersible pump to the dispensers in such amanner that a leak in the piping leading to the dispensers or in the dispensersthemselves is detected and notification of a leak given Since the two pumps act intandem and since the entire piping system from the pumps to the dispensers ismonitored my personal opinion is that the intent of Subsection 642 is met andevaluation of the system described as being equivalent to what is required bySubsection 642 is reasonable Whether the system described meets the criteria of Section 15 Equivalency of NFPA30A must be determined by the authority having jurisdiction As NFPA Staff Liaison forNFPA 30A I cannot make such a determination under NFPArsquos Regulations GoverningCommittee Projects Please understand that this response is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 ofNFPArsquos Regulations Governing Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon todefinitively determine compliance with any laws ordinances rules or regulations Todetermine legal compliance you should refer to the appropriate authority havingjurisdiction or seek legal advice It is not intended nor should it be relied upon toprovide professional consultation or services To determine the adequacy or safety ofany device or installation you should consult with an appropriate professional I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write Iwill be happy to assist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant toNFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does notnecessarily represent the official position of the NFPA or its Technical Committees Inaddition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it be relied upon to provideprofessional consultation or services cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids Engineer

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From Howard Jim (Woodbridge) [mailtoJHowardhesscom] Sent Monday June 14 2010 1144 AMTo Benedetti BobCc Howard Jim (Woodbridge) Bob Luby Subject Importance High Bob It was a pleasure talking to you this morning regarding the Line Leak Detection applicationin place at Hess Station 08501 - Milltown DE (drawing attached) as well as several thousandlocations worldwide Here is some background information on this installation

Site had 3 - 10000 gallon gasoline tanks 1 - 10000 Regular (87) 1 - 10000 Plus (89) 1 - 10000 Premium (93) prior to our Dispenser Replacement Project Because of theoverwhelming demand for Regular gasoline (887 in 2009) we converted the existingPlus tank to additional Regular storageDispensers were replaced with new Blend Dispensers Tanks were not manifoldedRegular and former-Plus product lines were manifolded at each dispenserWe installed Veeder-Root PLLDs (Electronic Line Leak Detectors) on the Regular 1and Premium STPs We installed a non-vented Swift Check on Regular 2 (formerPlus) STP Because the PLLD is vented we MUST install a non-vented swift check onRegular STP 2 in order to test the system as a wholeWe have demonstrated via post-construction testing that the system will pick up a 3gph leak

The State of DE has questioned our compliance with NFPA 30A 642 Each pump shallhave installed on the discharge side a listed leak detection device that will provide an audibleor visible indication if the piping or a dispenser is leaking Each leak-detecting device shallbe checked and tested at least annually according to the manufacturers specifications toensure proper installation and operation

Can you comment on whether the system shown on the attached and described above and onour call meets the NFPA requirement or if it meets the definition of Equivalency as definedin Chapter 15 - Equivalency Thank you in advance for your consideration in this matter Please do not hesitate to contactme if there are any questions or concerns on this application ThanksJim Howard RFMPManager Maintenance amp UST ComplianceHess Corporation732-750-6220 (office)800-903-4801 (Emergency Hotline)E-mail UST Inspections to USTCompliancehesscomFax UST Inspections to 866-435-6744

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From Benedetti BobTo Gary KostalCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiBcc May PaulSubject Inquiry NFPA 30 NFPA 30ADate Tuesday August 10 2010 43200 PM

Good afternoon Mr Kostal There are no provisions in NFPA 30 Flammable and Combustible Liquids Code togovern dispensing of motor fuels into motorized equipment and the devices youdescribe are not mentioned at all in NFPA 30 or in the only other related NFPAdocument that might apply NFPA 30A Code for Motor Fuel Dispensing Facilities andRepair Garages I cannot say that these units are either allowed or disallowed because neither NFPA30 nor NFPA 30A speaks about them The only provisions that might apply are the quantity limitations established in thesetwo codes depending on which code applies If the maintenance building is considered an industrial occupancy then Chapter 9 ofNFPA 30 establishes a maximum allowable quantity for of 120 gallons for Class Iliquids (The maximum allowable quantity is actually a threshold value Up to theMAQ compliance with NFPA 30 is not required above it NFPA 30 applies) If the maintenance building is considered a repair garage then NFPA 30A takesprecedence It also sets a 120 gallon limit on the maximum quantity of Class I liquid In both cases the quantity of fuel involved is 50 percent of the maximum allowed Myopinion is that there is no violation of either NFPA 30 or NFPA 30A Please understand that this response is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 ofNFPArsquos Regulations Governing Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon todefinitively determine compliance with any laws ordinances rules or regulations Todetermine legal compliance you should refer to the appropriate authority havingjurisdiction or seek legal advice It is not intended nor should it be relied upon toprovide professional consultation or services To determine the adequacy or safety ofany device or installation you should consult with an appropriate professional I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write Iwill be happy to assist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant toNFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does notnecessarily represent the official position of the NFPA or its Technical Committees Inaddition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it be relied upon to provideprofessional consultation or services cc 30IFI 30AIFI-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch Park

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Quincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg Important Notice This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPA RegulationsAny opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarily represent the officialposition of the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition this correspondence is neither intended norshould it be relied upon to provide professional consultation or services

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From Gary Kostal [mailtogarykbloomingdalefirecom] Sent Monday August 09 2010 328 PMTo Benedetti BobSubject Looking for assistance - portable gas caddies Membership 2329840 Gary KostalFire Prevention DirectorBloomingdale Fire District Question (Non-formal opinion) I have a country club where they service a very large number of lawn maintenance equipment on a dailybasis They are utilizing a portable gas container (gas caddy) that holds approximately 30 gallons ofgasoline The unit is equipped with a hand style pump which is located on the top of the tank Fuel isdispensed from this tank as you crank the pump There are no nozzles located on the hose These gascaddies are being used inside their maintenance building which is fully fire sprinkled They are presentlyusing two of these devices inside the same building which is basically one days use

My question is are these devices allowed for this type of dispensing Are they required to be equippedwith a self closing nozzle What NFPA sections would apply to this particular type of device Thank you for your assistance in this matter

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From Benedetti BobTo SheldonSchallWisconsingovCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Wednesday September 30 2009 45929 PM

Good afternoon Sheldon I will here provide more detailed answers to your questions as posed in the email you sent to me today Section 30A-4323 limits tank storage capacity for Class I and II No limit for Class IIIA or IIIB

You are correct The intent of 4323 is to limit the capacities only of those tanks that storeClass I and II liquids Recall that when NFPA 30A initially allowed aboveground storage tanks atvehicle fueling sites biofuels were not in the picture just gasoline (Class I) and diesel fuel (ClassII) The Technical Committee at the time did not conceive that there would be the need to storeClass III fuels because there werenrsquot any The bottom line NFPA 30A does not limit the capacityof an aboveground storage tank that holds a motor fuel that is a Class III liquid

Section 30A-4324 refers to setbacks in Table 4324 No indication that these setbacks are specific toor exclude any class of flammable or combustible so it appears that the setbacks apply to Class I -Class IIIB liquids This table appears to conflict with the previous section for Class IIIA amp IIIB liquids

This is again correct that the separation distances in Table 4324 are not specific to anyparticular Class of liquid There is no conflict however 4323 deals with tank capacities 4324 deals with separation distances for the tanks Since 4324 does not specify anyparticular liquid class(es) it applies to ALL liquid classes

Section 30A-4325 allows an increased capacity for Class II and III liquids at fleet facilities Thisappears to conflict with section 4323 for Class III liquids which didnt have a capacity limit to startwith

Here there is a conflict or at least a serious inconsistency This provision was added one or twoeditions after 4323 and it appears that biofuels are beginning to be recognized It also appearsthat the intent here was to allow a relaxation of one limit in favor of a more liberal one Theproblem is the original limit doesnrsquot exist making it arguable that the application of 4325 toClass III liquids is meaningless Given the obvious intent here for some limit on Class III liquidfuels 4323 should be amended to include Class IIIs

Section 30A-4327 addresses dispensing from an aboveground tank for Class I and II liquids based uponspecific conditions

Paragraph 4322 is a hold-over dating back to when service stations were covered in Chapter 7of the old versions of NFPA 30 This set of requirements should also be amended to include ClassIIIs

Section 30A-4328 refers to NFPA 30-2171 for spill and overfill This section only applies to class Iand II liquids

While it is true that Subsection 2171 of NFPA 30 only applies to Classes I and II I do not believeit is a conflict for NFPA 30A to also apply it to Class III as well if the Technical Committee it isappropriate to do so However the language needs to be improved or an Annex item should beadded to explain the extrapolation and the reason for it

I will add this to the next meetingrsquos agenda for the Technical Committee on Automotive and MarineService Stations As usual the following applies Please understand that this response to your inquiry is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 of NFPArsquos RegulationsGoverning Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitively determine compliance with anylaws ordinances rules or regulations To determine the adequacy or safety of any device or installationyou should consult with an appropriate professional To determine legal compliance you should refer tothe appropriate authority having jurisdiction or seek legal advice

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I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will be happy toassist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarily represent the official positionof the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it berelied upon to provide professional consultation or services cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

Fire Prevention Week is October 4 ndash 10 2009 Visit wwwfirepreventionweekorg or call 800-344-3555 for moreinformation NFPA Seminars - Apply the codes with confidenceRegister at wwwnfpalearnorg NFPA Membership keeps you up-to-dateVisit wwwnfpaorgjoin for more information Or call 800-344-3555Notice The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for theexclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential andor privileged information If you are not the intendedrecipient please notify Robert Benedetti immediately by replying to the message or by calling (617) 984-7433 Please deletethis message and any attachments from your system Thank you Considering the variables in the sections referenced above are the setbacks in Table 4324 intended toapply to Class IIIA andor Class IIIB liquids for public fueling

From Schall Sheldon - COMMERCE [mailtoSheldonSchallWisconsingov] Sent Wednesday September 30 2009 832 AMTo Benedetti BobSubject NFPA 30A-4324 inquiry - URGENT Section 30A-4323 limits tank storage capacity for Class I and II No limit for Class IIIA or IIIB trueSection 30A-4324 refers to setbacks in Table 4324 No indication that these setbacks are specific toor exclude any class of flammable or combustible so it appears that the setbacks apply to Class I -Class IIIB liquids This table appears to conflict with the previous section for Class IIIA amp IIIB liquids Also trueSection 30A-4325 allows an increased capacity for Class II and III liquids at fleet facilities Thisappears to conflict with section 4323 for Class III liquids which didnt have a capacity limit to startwith Either one or the other needs to changeSection 30A-4327 addresses dispensing from an aboveground tank for Class I and II liquids based uponspecific conditions Need to cover IIIBSection 30A-4328 refers to NFPA 30-2171 for spill and overfill This section only applies to class Iand II liquids Class IIIs need to be specifically addressed Considering the variables in the sections referenced above are the setbacks in Table 4324 intended toapply to Class IIIA andor Class IIIB liquids for public fueling

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From Benedetti BobTo Bill HickmanCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Monday December 14 2009 50332 PM

Good afternoon Mr Hickman To answer your question the separation distances in Table 4324 of NFPA 30A Code for MotorFuel Dispensing Facilities and Repair Garages are intended to apply to outside abovegroundstorage tanks for fuel where such is allowed The tanks inside a service station building majorrepair garage or minor repair garage would likely be handling Class IIIB liquids (flash point gt200 degF) only in accordance with Subsection 4392 of NFPA 30A Subsection 4392 does not set any specific requirements for separation between tanks inside abuilding although it does refer back to Chapters 21 through 23 of NFPA 30 Flammable andCombustible Liquids Code Shell-to-shell spacing distances for aboveground tanks areestablished in Table 22421 Table 22421 is intended for much large tanks than one wouldfind in a repair garage or ldquolube-onlyrdquo facility For example the minimum separation for tanksstoring Class IIIB liquids is 3 feet as set forth in 224212 But again the separationdistances in Chapter 22 of NFPA 30 are intended for tank farm application not for the muchsmaller tanks found in the type of occupancy governed by NFPA 30A Also any facility meeting the requirements of NFPA 30A is considered to be in compliance withNFPA 30 Please understand that this response to your inquiry is a personal opinion and does notconstitute a Formal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 ofNFPArsquos Regulations Governing Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitivelydetermine compliance with any laws ordinances rules or regulations To determine theadequacy or safety of any device or installation you should consult with an appropriateprofessional To determine legal compliance you should refer to the appropriate authorityhaving jurisdiction or seek legal advice I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will behappy to assist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPARegulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarilyrepresent the official position of the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition thiscorrespondence is neither intended nor should it be relied upon to provide professional consultation orservices cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg If you have a reported fire in your home the risk of dyingdecreases by about 80 percent when sprinklers are present

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From Bill Hickman [mailtoBillHickmanstatecous] Sent Tuesday December 01 2009 939 AMTo Benedetti BobSubject Inquiry NFPA 30A - Storage of Liquids Inside Buildings Mr Benedetti Id appreciate your interpretation on an item regarding aboveground tanks storing lubricants (newused oil) inside abuilding at a repair garage NFPA 30A 439 does not include specific spacing requirements for tanks inside buildings Where there are multiple tanks being stored inside the building is there no minimum separation distance requirementthat must be met or do the requirements of Table 4324 apply Thank you in advance for your assistance __________________________________ Bill HickmanInspectorTechnical SpecialistCO Division of Oil amp Public Safety303-378-5090

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From Benedetti BobTo Peznowski EdwardCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Thursday September 03 2009 30455 PM

Hi Ed The 1996 edition of the Flammable and Combustible Liquids Code Handbook was the last one prior to thecurrent 2008 edition The commentary hasnrsquot changed My recollection of the development of this text is that the intent of NFPA 30A Code for Motor FuelDispensing Facilities and Repair Garages is to isolate the motor fuel dispensing area and its attendanthazard completely from the rest of the structure regardless of what else might be in the structure Subsection 524 assumes that the installation involves a motor fuel dispensing operation inside abuilding where you would not expect to have same such as an office building A bus repair facility wouldbe probably classed as a major repair garage and would be expected to have fueling operations Thehazard of this is in my opinion no greater than the repair operations It could be that the language in Subsection 524 needs to be clarified so that it applies only to situationssuch as I first described Please understand that this response to your inquiry is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 of NFPArsquos RegulationsGoverning Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitively determine compliance with anylaws ordinances rules or regulations To determine the adequacy or safety of any device or installationyou should consult with an appropriate professional To determine legal compliance you should refer tothe appropriate authority having jurisdiction or seek legal advice I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will be happy toassist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarily represent the official positionof the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it berelied upon to provide professional consultation or services cc 30AIFI 30AFAQ AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

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exclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential andor privileged information If you are not the intendedrecipient please notify Robert Benedetti immediately by replying to the message or by calling (617) 984-7433 Please deletethis message and any attachments from your system Thank you

From Peznowski Edward [mailtoEdwardPeznowskipostatectus] Sent Monday August 31 2009 127 PMTo Benedetti BobSubject NFPA 30A Hi Bob Sorry to bother you but I need your help and interpretation of the following section of NFPA 30A 2000edition 524 - All piping inside buildings but outside the motor fuel dispensing area shall be enclosed within ahorizontal chase or a vertical shaft used only for this piping Vertical shafts and horizontal chases shall beconstructed of materials having a fire resistance rating of not less than 2 hours Bob I have a bus repair facility being built and we have fuel dispensing area within the building enclosedwith a 2hr fire resistive separation My question is I have diesel fuel piping coming from two tanks locatedoutside of the building the piping runs outside of the dispensing area does this piping need to be enclosed Ihave the proper UL listed system for through wall penetrations My problem lies here I have natural gas heating fuel oil lines for boilers and diesel fuel line for thegenerator all running through the area outside the 2 hour rated dispensing area which are not required to beenclosed My thought is within the 2 hour fire resistive construction I have storage rooms for grease and oil a office forfuel dispensing Any fuel piping running through these areas would be enclosed but once I go outside my 2hrrated enclosure the piping would not have to be enclosed NFPA 30A (1996edition)6-42 - All fuel and flammable vapor piping inside buildings but outside the service station area shall beenclosed within a horizontal chase or a vertical shaft used only for this piping Vertical shafts and horizontalchases shall be constructed of materials having a fire resistance rating of not less than 2 hoursCOMMENTARY 6-42 The intent of this requirement is to preserve the isolation of the service stationoperation from the rest of the building I donrsquot have the 2000 handbook for commentary Thanks Bob Edward J PeznowskiFire amp Life Safety SpecialistBureau of EngineeringOffice State Fire Marshal860-685-8350

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From Benedetti BobTo Hamilton James P (HOY)Cc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiSubject Inquiry NFPA 30A-2008Date Monday September 14 2009 115041 AM

Good morning Mr Hamilton The intent of this particular provision of Subsection 672 of NFPA 30A Code for Motor Fuel DispensingFacilities and Repair Garages is to ensure that the patron has access to a second disconnect if he or shecannot reach the primary disconnect ie the one that is between 20 and 100 feet from the dispenser In my opinion all of the emergency disconnects required by Section 67 must be at least 20 ft but normore than 100 ft from the nearest dispenser Please understand that this response to your inquiry is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 of NFPArsquos RegulationsGoverning Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitively determine compliance with anylaws ordinances rules or regulations To determine the adequacy or safety of any device or installationyou should consult with an appropriate professional To determine legal compliance you should refer tothe appropriate authority having jurisdiction or seek legal advice I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will be happy toassist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarily represent the official positionof the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it berelied upon to provide professional consultation or services cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

Fire Prevention Week is October 4 ndash 10 2009 Visit wwwfirepreventionweekorg or call 800-344-3555 for moreinformation NFPA Seminars - Apply the codes with confidenceRegister at wwwnfpalearnorg NFPA Membership keeps you up-to-dateVisit wwwnfpaorgjoin for more information Or call 800-344-3555Notice The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for theexclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential andor privileged information If you are not the intendedrecipient please notify Robert Benedetti immediately by replying to the message or by calling (617) 984-7433 Please deletethis message and any attachments from your system Thank you

From Hamilton James P (HOY) [mailtoHAMILTONJPbechteljacobsorg] Sent Thursday September 10 2009 1224 PMTo Benedetti BobSubject NFPA 30A 2008 Edition

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Importance High

NFPA 30A 672 states at least one additional device or disconnect shall be readily accessible toeach group of dispensing devices on an individual island Our installation does not have islands Should the second emergency shutoff be installed close to the pumps or between 20 and 100 ofthe pumps

Please respond back via email hamiltonjpbechteljacobsorg

Thanks

NFPA 127130 James P Hamilton CFPSTetraTek Inc - Fire Safety TechnologiesFire Protection LeadK-27 Pre-Demo Project 790 Emory Valley Rd 811 Oak Ridge TN 37830 ETTP Office 865-241-1902

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From Benedetti BobTo Scott DavonskiCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Tuesday August 04 2009 92429 AM

Good morning Mr Davonski My opinion is that the intent of the requirement in Subsection 1141 of NFPA 30A Code for Motor FuelDispensing Facilities and Repair Garages is that any hose longer than 18 feet should not simply bestrung along the dockrsquos surface Using a reel would be one means of securing the hose although Irsquomsure other methods such as hangers would work as well Please understand that this response to your inquiry is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 of NFPArsquos RegulationsGoverning Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitively determine compliance with anylaws ordinances rules or regulations To determine the adequacy or safety of any device or installationyou should consult with an appropriate professional To determine legal compliance you should refer tothe appropriate authority having jurisdiction or seek legal advice I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will be happy toassist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarily represent the official positionof the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it berelied upon to provide professional consultation or services cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

Fire Prevention Week is October 4 ndash 10 2009 Visit wwwfirepreventionweekorg or call 800-344-3555 for moreinformation NFPA Seminars - Apply the codes with confidenceRegister at wwwnfpalearnorg NFPA Membership keeps you up-to-dateVisit wwwnfpaorgjoin for more information Or call 800-344-3555Notice The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for theexclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential andor privileged information If you are not the intendedrecipient please notify Robert Benedetti immediately by replying to the message or by calling (617) 984-7433 Please deletethis message and any attachments from your system Thank you

From Scott Davonski [mailtodavonskiRiverheadlicom] Sent Wednesday July 22 2009 1118 AMTo Benedetti BobSubject 30A clarification

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1141 All hose shall be listed Where hose length exceeds 55 m (18 ft) the hose shall besecured so as to protect it from damage Can you provide clarification as to what is meant by ldquosecured so as to protect it fromdamagerdquo Is the standard looking not to have the hoses on the dock In a reel Any clarificationinformation would be appreciated Scott W DavonskiChief Fire MarshalTown of RiverheadP- 631-727-3200 ext 209F- 631-727-3370

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Page 37: TECHNICAL COMMITTEE ON AUTOMOTIVE and MARINE … · SUBJECT: Agenda for ROC Meeting – October 4, 2010 _____ Ladies and Gentlemen: Attached is the Agenda for the NFPA 30A Report

Please understand that this response is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 ofNFPArsquos Regulations Governing Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon todefinitively determine compliance with any laws ordinances rules or regulations Todetermine legal compliance you should refer to the appropriate authority havingjurisdiction or seek legal advice It is not intended nor should it be relied upon toprovide professional consultation or services To determine the adequacy or safety ofany device or installation you should consult with an appropriate professional I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write Iwill be happy to assist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant toNFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does notnecessarily represent the official position of the NFPA or its Technical Committees Inaddition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it be relied upon to provideprofessional consultation or services cc 30IFI 30AIFI AUVNM FLCTANNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

If you have a reported fire in your home the risk of dyingdecreases by about 80 percent when sprinklers are present

wwwfiresprinklerinitiativeorgNotice The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intendedfor the exclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential andor privileged information If you arenot the intended recipient please notify Robert Benedetti immediately by replying to the message or by calling(617) 984-7433 Please delete this message and any attachments from your system Thank you

From Eric Acton [mailtoEActonccfireus] Sent Monday July 19 2010 636 PMTo Benedetti BobSubject InterpretationOpinion request

Good day My name is Eric Acton I am the Fire Marshal for Campbell CountyWyoming and Irsquom employed by Campbell County Fire Department My NFPA

membership number is 2755369 My mailing and email addresses are listed below I am in need of a technical opinion regarding 2003 NFPA 30 Chapter 5 or morecurrently 2008 NFPA 30A Chapter 5 Some brief project backgroundAn owner within my jurisdiction has built a commercial lube-oil center to servicecustomersrsquo vehicles A ldquopitrdquo exists below the service bay to allow workers to drainthe oil from the vehicle then workers on the main floor refill the oil by use ofpressurized nozzles Several motor oil storage tanks are located in the pitaccounting for several brands and viscosities of oil The tanks are designed to befilled by use of a piping system which extends from an exterior connection vault toeach of the storage tanks using gravity to move the product in the fill-pipingsystem The material the owner chose to construct the fill-piping system wasldquostandardrdquo 1-12rdquo Schedule 40 PVC and Parker Series 7094 Electrically Non-Conductive rubber hose The piping system is exposed it is not underground nor isit protected from flame by means of a fire-rated chase Having identified the use of combustible liquids in this occupancy I utilized 2006International Fire Code (as adopted by my jurisdiction) Chapter 34 Flammable andCombustible Liquids to review and inspect the project IFC Section 340362referred me to NFPA 30 Chapter 5 for the construction materials to use where Iinterpreted (2003 version) 30511 to mean that the piping system components (pipetubing flanges bolting gaskets valves fittingshellip) must meet the requirementsregardless of pressure And that the following components specified in theparagraph must meet the requirements ONLY if they contained pressure ndashhelliprdquoexpansion joints and strainers and devices such thathelliprdquo I further interpreted(2003 version) 30531 Material Specifications similarly in that the ldquoPipe valvesfaucets couplingshelliprdquo must meet the requirements regardless of pressure while ldquohellipother pressure-containing partshelliprdquo meant ONLY the other parts that containedpressure Verbatim to 30511 is encountered in 2008 NFPA 30A Chapter 5paragraph 51 Scope The owner states his piping complies with the standard cited because it is gravity-fed hence no ldquopressurerdquo is seen by the piping components I maintain that thepiping system shall consist of metal pipe (or another material meeting therequirements of ASME B31 as allowed by 2003 NFPA 30531) to comply with NFPA30 and IFC Some assistance to resolve this problem is greatly appreciated I have attachedsome photographs for clarification Thanks for your attentionEric

Eric ActonFire MarshalCampbell County Fire Department 106 Rohan Avenue Gillette WY 82716 (307) 682-5319 ext 8912(307) 686-2222 Fax(307) 680-9612 Cell

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From Benedetti BobTo Howard Jim (Woodbridge)Cc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiBcc May PaulSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Monday June 28 2010 115100 AM

Good morning Mr Howard First I appreciate your patience with me while I reviewed the information sent to meby yourself and Mr Luby of Veeder-Root I wanted to ensure that I thoroughlyunderstood how the system functions in its line leak detection mode My understanding of the arrangement of the piping system from the pair ofunderground storage tanks is that the electronic line leak detector the PLLD tests thesupply piping from the two submersible pumps to the dispensers as a single system This includes the direct piping run from the master pump to the dispensers AND thepiping that connects the slave pump to the direct piping run The intent of Subsection 642 of the 2008 edition of NFPA 30A Code for Motor FuelDispensing Facilities and Repair Garages is to ensure that some type of leak detectiondevice monitors the piping from the submersible pump to the dispensers in such amanner that a leak in the piping leading to the dispensers or in the dispensersthemselves is detected and notification of a leak given Since the two pumps act intandem and since the entire piping system from the pumps to the dispensers ismonitored my personal opinion is that the intent of Subsection 642 is met andevaluation of the system described as being equivalent to what is required bySubsection 642 is reasonable Whether the system described meets the criteria of Section 15 Equivalency of NFPA30A must be determined by the authority having jurisdiction As NFPA Staff Liaison forNFPA 30A I cannot make such a determination under NFPArsquos Regulations GoverningCommittee Projects Please understand that this response is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 ofNFPArsquos Regulations Governing Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon todefinitively determine compliance with any laws ordinances rules or regulations Todetermine legal compliance you should refer to the appropriate authority havingjurisdiction or seek legal advice It is not intended nor should it be relied upon toprovide professional consultation or services To determine the adequacy or safety ofany device or installation you should consult with an appropriate professional I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write Iwill be happy to assist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant toNFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does notnecessarily represent the official position of the NFPA or its Technical Committees Inaddition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it be relied upon to provideprofessional consultation or services cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids Engineer

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National Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

If you have a reported fire in your home the risk of dyingdecreases by about 80 percent when sprinklers are present

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From Howard Jim (Woodbridge) [mailtoJHowardhesscom] Sent Monday June 14 2010 1144 AMTo Benedetti BobCc Howard Jim (Woodbridge) Bob Luby Subject Importance High Bob It was a pleasure talking to you this morning regarding the Line Leak Detection applicationin place at Hess Station 08501 - Milltown DE (drawing attached) as well as several thousandlocations worldwide Here is some background information on this installation

Site had 3 - 10000 gallon gasoline tanks 1 - 10000 Regular (87) 1 - 10000 Plus (89) 1 - 10000 Premium (93) prior to our Dispenser Replacement Project Because of theoverwhelming demand for Regular gasoline (887 in 2009) we converted the existingPlus tank to additional Regular storageDispensers were replaced with new Blend Dispensers Tanks were not manifoldedRegular and former-Plus product lines were manifolded at each dispenserWe installed Veeder-Root PLLDs (Electronic Line Leak Detectors) on the Regular 1and Premium STPs We installed a non-vented Swift Check on Regular 2 (formerPlus) STP Because the PLLD is vented we MUST install a non-vented swift check onRegular STP 2 in order to test the system as a wholeWe have demonstrated via post-construction testing that the system will pick up a 3gph leak

The State of DE has questioned our compliance with NFPA 30A 642 Each pump shallhave installed on the discharge side a listed leak detection device that will provide an audibleor visible indication if the piping or a dispenser is leaking Each leak-detecting device shallbe checked and tested at least annually according to the manufacturers specifications toensure proper installation and operation

Can you comment on whether the system shown on the attached and described above and onour call meets the NFPA requirement or if it meets the definition of Equivalency as definedin Chapter 15 - Equivalency Thank you in advance for your consideration in this matter Please do not hesitate to contactme if there are any questions or concerns on this application ThanksJim Howard RFMPManager Maintenance amp UST ComplianceHess Corporation732-750-6220 (office)800-903-4801 (Emergency Hotline)E-mail UST Inspections to USTCompliancehesscomFax UST Inspections to 866-435-6744

This e-mail and any attachments are for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may containinformation that is confidential If you are not the intended recipient(s) and have received this e-mail in error please immediately notify the sender by return e-mail and delete this e-mail fromyour computer Any distribution disclosure or the taking of any other action by anyone other thanthe intended recipient(s) is strictly prohibited

From Benedetti BobTo Gary KostalCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiBcc May PaulSubject Inquiry NFPA 30 NFPA 30ADate Tuesday August 10 2010 43200 PM

Good afternoon Mr Kostal There are no provisions in NFPA 30 Flammable and Combustible Liquids Code togovern dispensing of motor fuels into motorized equipment and the devices youdescribe are not mentioned at all in NFPA 30 or in the only other related NFPAdocument that might apply NFPA 30A Code for Motor Fuel Dispensing Facilities andRepair Garages I cannot say that these units are either allowed or disallowed because neither NFPA30 nor NFPA 30A speaks about them The only provisions that might apply are the quantity limitations established in thesetwo codes depending on which code applies If the maintenance building is considered an industrial occupancy then Chapter 9 ofNFPA 30 establishes a maximum allowable quantity for of 120 gallons for Class Iliquids (The maximum allowable quantity is actually a threshold value Up to theMAQ compliance with NFPA 30 is not required above it NFPA 30 applies) If the maintenance building is considered a repair garage then NFPA 30A takesprecedence It also sets a 120 gallon limit on the maximum quantity of Class I liquid In both cases the quantity of fuel involved is 50 percent of the maximum allowed Myopinion is that there is no violation of either NFPA 30 or NFPA 30A Please understand that this response is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 ofNFPArsquos Regulations Governing Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon todefinitively determine compliance with any laws ordinances rules or regulations Todetermine legal compliance you should refer to the appropriate authority havingjurisdiction or seek legal advice It is not intended nor should it be relied upon toprovide professional consultation or services To determine the adequacy or safety ofany device or installation you should consult with an appropriate professional I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write Iwill be happy to assist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant toNFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does notnecessarily represent the official position of the NFPA or its Technical Committees Inaddition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it be relied upon to provideprofessional consultation or services cc 30IFI 30AIFI-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch Park

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Quincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg Important Notice This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPA RegulationsAny opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarily represent the officialposition of the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition this correspondence is neither intended norshould it be relied upon to provide professional consultation or services

Visit wwwfirepreventionweekorg or call 800-344-3555 for more information Check out FPW on social mediahellipwwwtwittercomfpw2010wwwfacebookcomfirepreventionweekhttpnfpatypepadcomfpw Check out NFPA onhellip

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From Gary Kostal [mailtogarykbloomingdalefirecom] Sent Monday August 09 2010 328 PMTo Benedetti BobSubject Looking for assistance - portable gas caddies Membership 2329840 Gary KostalFire Prevention DirectorBloomingdale Fire District Question (Non-formal opinion) I have a country club where they service a very large number of lawn maintenance equipment on a dailybasis They are utilizing a portable gas container (gas caddy) that holds approximately 30 gallons ofgasoline The unit is equipped with a hand style pump which is located on the top of the tank Fuel isdispensed from this tank as you crank the pump There are no nozzles located on the hose These gascaddies are being used inside their maintenance building which is fully fire sprinkled They are presentlyusing two of these devices inside the same building which is basically one days use

My question is are these devices allowed for this type of dispensing Are they required to be equippedwith a self closing nozzle What NFPA sections would apply to this particular type of device Thank you for your assistance in this matter

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From Benedetti BobTo SheldonSchallWisconsingovCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Wednesday September 30 2009 45929 PM

Good afternoon Sheldon I will here provide more detailed answers to your questions as posed in the email you sent to me today Section 30A-4323 limits tank storage capacity for Class I and II No limit for Class IIIA or IIIB

You are correct The intent of 4323 is to limit the capacities only of those tanks that storeClass I and II liquids Recall that when NFPA 30A initially allowed aboveground storage tanks atvehicle fueling sites biofuels were not in the picture just gasoline (Class I) and diesel fuel (ClassII) The Technical Committee at the time did not conceive that there would be the need to storeClass III fuels because there werenrsquot any The bottom line NFPA 30A does not limit the capacityof an aboveground storage tank that holds a motor fuel that is a Class III liquid

Section 30A-4324 refers to setbacks in Table 4324 No indication that these setbacks are specific toor exclude any class of flammable or combustible so it appears that the setbacks apply to Class I -Class IIIB liquids This table appears to conflict with the previous section for Class IIIA amp IIIB liquids

This is again correct that the separation distances in Table 4324 are not specific to anyparticular Class of liquid There is no conflict however 4323 deals with tank capacities 4324 deals with separation distances for the tanks Since 4324 does not specify anyparticular liquid class(es) it applies to ALL liquid classes

Section 30A-4325 allows an increased capacity for Class II and III liquids at fleet facilities Thisappears to conflict with section 4323 for Class III liquids which didnt have a capacity limit to startwith

Here there is a conflict or at least a serious inconsistency This provision was added one or twoeditions after 4323 and it appears that biofuels are beginning to be recognized It also appearsthat the intent here was to allow a relaxation of one limit in favor of a more liberal one Theproblem is the original limit doesnrsquot exist making it arguable that the application of 4325 toClass III liquids is meaningless Given the obvious intent here for some limit on Class III liquidfuels 4323 should be amended to include Class IIIs

Section 30A-4327 addresses dispensing from an aboveground tank for Class I and II liquids based uponspecific conditions

Paragraph 4322 is a hold-over dating back to when service stations were covered in Chapter 7of the old versions of NFPA 30 This set of requirements should also be amended to include ClassIIIs

Section 30A-4328 refers to NFPA 30-2171 for spill and overfill This section only applies to class Iand II liquids

While it is true that Subsection 2171 of NFPA 30 only applies to Classes I and II I do not believeit is a conflict for NFPA 30A to also apply it to Class III as well if the Technical Committee it isappropriate to do so However the language needs to be improved or an Annex item should beadded to explain the extrapolation and the reason for it

I will add this to the next meetingrsquos agenda for the Technical Committee on Automotive and MarineService Stations As usual the following applies Please understand that this response to your inquiry is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 of NFPArsquos RegulationsGoverning Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitively determine compliance with anylaws ordinances rules or regulations To determine the adequacy or safety of any device or installationyou should consult with an appropriate professional To determine legal compliance you should refer tothe appropriate authority having jurisdiction or seek legal advice

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I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will be happy toassist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarily represent the official positionof the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it berelied upon to provide professional consultation or services cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

Fire Prevention Week is October 4 ndash 10 2009 Visit wwwfirepreventionweekorg or call 800-344-3555 for moreinformation NFPA Seminars - Apply the codes with confidenceRegister at wwwnfpalearnorg NFPA Membership keeps you up-to-dateVisit wwwnfpaorgjoin for more information Or call 800-344-3555Notice The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for theexclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential andor privileged information If you are not the intendedrecipient please notify Robert Benedetti immediately by replying to the message or by calling (617) 984-7433 Please deletethis message and any attachments from your system Thank you Considering the variables in the sections referenced above are the setbacks in Table 4324 intended toapply to Class IIIA andor Class IIIB liquids for public fueling

From Schall Sheldon - COMMERCE [mailtoSheldonSchallWisconsingov] Sent Wednesday September 30 2009 832 AMTo Benedetti BobSubject NFPA 30A-4324 inquiry - URGENT Section 30A-4323 limits tank storage capacity for Class I and II No limit for Class IIIA or IIIB trueSection 30A-4324 refers to setbacks in Table 4324 No indication that these setbacks are specific toor exclude any class of flammable or combustible so it appears that the setbacks apply to Class I -Class IIIB liquids This table appears to conflict with the previous section for Class IIIA amp IIIB liquids Also trueSection 30A-4325 allows an increased capacity for Class II and III liquids at fleet facilities Thisappears to conflict with section 4323 for Class III liquids which didnt have a capacity limit to startwith Either one or the other needs to changeSection 30A-4327 addresses dispensing from an aboveground tank for Class I and II liquids based uponspecific conditions Need to cover IIIBSection 30A-4328 refers to NFPA 30-2171 for spill and overfill This section only applies to class Iand II liquids Class IIIs need to be specifically addressed Considering the variables in the sections referenced above are the setbacks in Table 4324 intended toapply to Class IIIA andor Class IIIB liquids for public fueling

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From Benedetti BobTo Bill HickmanCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Monday December 14 2009 50332 PM

Good afternoon Mr Hickman To answer your question the separation distances in Table 4324 of NFPA 30A Code for MotorFuel Dispensing Facilities and Repair Garages are intended to apply to outside abovegroundstorage tanks for fuel where such is allowed The tanks inside a service station building majorrepair garage or minor repair garage would likely be handling Class IIIB liquids (flash point gt200 degF) only in accordance with Subsection 4392 of NFPA 30A Subsection 4392 does not set any specific requirements for separation between tanks inside abuilding although it does refer back to Chapters 21 through 23 of NFPA 30 Flammable andCombustible Liquids Code Shell-to-shell spacing distances for aboveground tanks areestablished in Table 22421 Table 22421 is intended for much large tanks than one wouldfind in a repair garage or ldquolube-onlyrdquo facility For example the minimum separation for tanksstoring Class IIIB liquids is 3 feet as set forth in 224212 But again the separationdistances in Chapter 22 of NFPA 30 are intended for tank farm application not for the muchsmaller tanks found in the type of occupancy governed by NFPA 30A Also any facility meeting the requirements of NFPA 30A is considered to be in compliance withNFPA 30 Please understand that this response to your inquiry is a personal opinion and does notconstitute a Formal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 ofNFPArsquos Regulations Governing Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitivelydetermine compliance with any laws ordinances rules or regulations To determine theadequacy or safety of any device or installation you should consult with an appropriateprofessional To determine legal compliance you should refer to the appropriate authorityhaving jurisdiction or seek legal advice I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will behappy to assist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPARegulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarilyrepresent the official position of the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition thiscorrespondence is neither intended nor should it be relied upon to provide professional consultation orservices cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg If you have a reported fire in your home the risk of dyingdecreases by about 80 percent when sprinklers are present

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From Bill Hickman [mailtoBillHickmanstatecous] Sent Tuesday December 01 2009 939 AMTo Benedetti BobSubject Inquiry NFPA 30A - Storage of Liquids Inside Buildings Mr Benedetti Id appreciate your interpretation on an item regarding aboveground tanks storing lubricants (newused oil) inside abuilding at a repair garage NFPA 30A 439 does not include specific spacing requirements for tanks inside buildings Where there are multiple tanks being stored inside the building is there no minimum separation distance requirementthat must be met or do the requirements of Table 4324 apply Thank you in advance for your assistance __________________________________ Bill HickmanInspectorTechnical SpecialistCO Division of Oil amp Public Safety303-378-5090

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From Benedetti BobTo Peznowski EdwardCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Thursday September 03 2009 30455 PM

Hi Ed The 1996 edition of the Flammable and Combustible Liquids Code Handbook was the last one prior to thecurrent 2008 edition The commentary hasnrsquot changed My recollection of the development of this text is that the intent of NFPA 30A Code for Motor FuelDispensing Facilities and Repair Garages is to isolate the motor fuel dispensing area and its attendanthazard completely from the rest of the structure regardless of what else might be in the structure Subsection 524 assumes that the installation involves a motor fuel dispensing operation inside abuilding where you would not expect to have same such as an office building A bus repair facility wouldbe probably classed as a major repair garage and would be expected to have fueling operations Thehazard of this is in my opinion no greater than the repair operations It could be that the language in Subsection 524 needs to be clarified so that it applies only to situationssuch as I first described Please understand that this response to your inquiry is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 of NFPArsquos RegulationsGoverning Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitively determine compliance with anylaws ordinances rules or regulations To determine the adequacy or safety of any device or installationyou should consult with an appropriate professional To determine legal compliance you should refer tothe appropriate authority having jurisdiction or seek legal advice I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will be happy toassist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarily represent the official positionof the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it berelied upon to provide professional consultation or services cc 30AIFI 30AFAQ AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

Fire Prevention Week is October 4 ndash 10 2009 Visit wwwfirepreventionweekorg or call 800-344-3555 for moreinformation NFPA Seminars - Apply the codes with confidenceRegister at wwwnfpalearnorg NFPA Membership keeps you up-to-dateVisit wwwnfpaorgjoin for more information Or call 800-344-3555Notice The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for the

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exclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential andor privileged information If you are not the intendedrecipient please notify Robert Benedetti immediately by replying to the message or by calling (617) 984-7433 Please deletethis message and any attachments from your system Thank you

From Peznowski Edward [mailtoEdwardPeznowskipostatectus] Sent Monday August 31 2009 127 PMTo Benedetti BobSubject NFPA 30A Hi Bob Sorry to bother you but I need your help and interpretation of the following section of NFPA 30A 2000edition 524 - All piping inside buildings but outside the motor fuel dispensing area shall be enclosed within ahorizontal chase or a vertical shaft used only for this piping Vertical shafts and horizontal chases shall beconstructed of materials having a fire resistance rating of not less than 2 hours Bob I have a bus repair facility being built and we have fuel dispensing area within the building enclosedwith a 2hr fire resistive separation My question is I have diesel fuel piping coming from two tanks locatedoutside of the building the piping runs outside of the dispensing area does this piping need to be enclosed Ihave the proper UL listed system for through wall penetrations My problem lies here I have natural gas heating fuel oil lines for boilers and diesel fuel line for thegenerator all running through the area outside the 2 hour rated dispensing area which are not required to beenclosed My thought is within the 2 hour fire resistive construction I have storage rooms for grease and oil a office forfuel dispensing Any fuel piping running through these areas would be enclosed but once I go outside my 2hrrated enclosure the piping would not have to be enclosed NFPA 30A (1996edition)6-42 - All fuel and flammable vapor piping inside buildings but outside the service station area shall beenclosed within a horizontal chase or a vertical shaft used only for this piping Vertical shafts and horizontalchases shall be constructed of materials having a fire resistance rating of not less than 2 hoursCOMMENTARY 6-42 The intent of this requirement is to preserve the isolation of the service stationoperation from the rest of the building I donrsquot have the 2000 handbook for commentary Thanks Bob Edward J PeznowskiFire amp Life Safety SpecialistBureau of EngineeringOffice State Fire Marshal860-685-8350

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From Benedetti BobTo Hamilton James P (HOY)Cc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiSubject Inquiry NFPA 30A-2008Date Monday September 14 2009 115041 AM

Good morning Mr Hamilton The intent of this particular provision of Subsection 672 of NFPA 30A Code for Motor Fuel DispensingFacilities and Repair Garages is to ensure that the patron has access to a second disconnect if he or shecannot reach the primary disconnect ie the one that is between 20 and 100 feet from the dispenser In my opinion all of the emergency disconnects required by Section 67 must be at least 20 ft but normore than 100 ft from the nearest dispenser Please understand that this response to your inquiry is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 of NFPArsquos RegulationsGoverning Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitively determine compliance with anylaws ordinances rules or regulations To determine the adequacy or safety of any device or installationyou should consult with an appropriate professional To determine legal compliance you should refer tothe appropriate authority having jurisdiction or seek legal advice I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will be happy toassist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarily represent the official positionof the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it berelied upon to provide professional consultation or services cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

Fire Prevention Week is October 4 ndash 10 2009 Visit wwwfirepreventionweekorg or call 800-344-3555 for moreinformation NFPA Seminars - Apply the codes with confidenceRegister at wwwnfpalearnorg NFPA Membership keeps you up-to-dateVisit wwwnfpaorgjoin for more information Or call 800-344-3555Notice The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for theexclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential andor privileged information If you are not the intendedrecipient please notify Robert Benedetti immediately by replying to the message or by calling (617) 984-7433 Please deletethis message and any attachments from your system Thank you

From Hamilton James P (HOY) [mailtoHAMILTONJPbechteljacobsorg] Sent Thursday September 10 2009 1224 PMTo Benedetti BobSubject NFPA 30A 2008 Edition

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Importance High

NFPA 30A 672 states at least one additional device or disconnect shall be readily accessible toeach group of dispensing devices on an individual island Our installation does not have islands Should the second emergency shutoff be installed close to the pumps or between 20 and 100 ofthe pumps

Please respond back via email hamiltonjpbechteljacobsorg

Thanks

NFPA 127130 James P Hamilton CFPSTetraTek Inc - Fire Safety TechnologiesFire Protection LeadK-27 Pre-Demo Project 790 Emory Valley Rd 811 Oak Ridge TN 37830 ETTP Office 865-241-1902

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From Benedetti BobTo Scott DavonskiCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Tuesday August 04 2009 92429 AM

Good morning Mr Davonski My opinion is that the intent of the requirement in Subsection 1141 of NFPA 30A Code for Motor FuelDispensing Facilities and Repair Garages is that any hose longer than 18 feet should not simply bestrung along the dockrsquos surface Using a reel would be one means of securing the hose although Irsquomsure other methods such as hangers would work as well Please understand that this response to your inquiry is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 of NFPArsquos RegulationsGoverning Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitively determine compliance with anylaws ordinances rules or regulations To determine the adequacy or safety of any device or installationyou should consult with an appropriate professional To determine legal compliance you should refer tothe appropriate authority having jurisdiction or seek legal advice I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will be happy toassist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarily represent the official positionof the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it berelied upon to provide professional consultation or services cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

Fire Prevention Week is October 4 ndash 10 2009 Visit wwwfirepreventionweekorg or call 800-344-3555 for moreinformation NFPA Seminars - Apply the codes with confidenceRegister at wwwnfpalearnorg NFPA Membership keeps you up-to-dateVisit wwwnfpaorgjoin for more information Or call 800-344-3555Notice The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for theexclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential andor privileged information If you are not the intendedrecipient please notify Robert Benedetti immediately by replying to the message or by calling (617) 984-7433 Please deletethis message and any attachments from your system Thank you

From Scott Davonski [mailtodavonskiRiverheadlicom] Sent Wednesday July 22 2009 1118 AMTo Benedetti BobSubject 30A clarification

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1141 All hose shall be listed Where hose length exceeds 55 m (18 ft) the hose shall besecured so as to protect it from damage Can you provide clarification as to what is meant by ldquosecured so as to protect it fromdamagerdquo Is the standard looking not to have the hoses on the dock In a reel Any clarificationinformation would be appreciated Scott W DavonskiChief Fire MarshalTown of RiverheadP- 631-727-3200 ext 209F- 631-727-3370

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Page 38: TECHNICAL COMMITTEE ON AUTOMOTIVE and MARINE … · SUBJECT: Agenda for ROC Meeting – October 4, 2010 _____ Ladies and Gentlemen: Attached is the Agenda for the NFPA 30A Report

membership number is 2755369 My mailing and email addresses are listed below I am in need of a technical opinion regarding 2003 NFPA 30 Chapter 5 or morecurrently 2008 NFPA 30A Chapter 5 Some brief project backgroundAn owner within my jurisdiction has built a commercial lube-oil center to servicecustomersrsquo vehicles A ldquopitrdquo exists below the service bay to allow workers to drainthe oil from the vehicle then workers on the main floor refill the oil by use ofpressurized nozzles Several motor oil storage tanks are located in the pitaccounting for several brands and viscosities of oil The tanks are designed to befilled by use of a piping system which extends from an exterior connection vault toeach of the storage tanks using gravity to move the product in the fill-pipingsystem The material the owner chose to construct the fill-piping system wasldquostandardrdquo 1-12rdquo Schedule 40 PVC and Parker Series 7094 Electrically Non-Conductive rubber hose The piping system is exposed it is not underground nor isit protected from flame by means of a fire-rated chase Having identified the use of combustible liquids in this occupancy I utilized 2006International Fire Code (as adopted by my jurisdiction) Chapter 34 Flammable andCombustible Liquids to review and inspect the project IFC Section 340362referred me to NFPA 30 Chapter 5 for the construction materials to use where Iinterpreted (2003 version) 30511 to mean that the piping system components (pipetubing flanges bolting gaskets valves fittingshellip) must meet the requirementsregardless of pressure And that the following components specified in theparagraph must meet the requirements ONLY if they contained pressure ndashhelliprdquoexpansion joints and strainers and devices such thathelliprdquo I further interpreted(2003 version) 30531 Material Specifications similarly in that the ldquoPipe valvesfaucets couplingshelliprdquo must meet the requirements regardless of pressure while ldquohellipother pressure-containing partshelliprdquo meant ONLY the other parts that containedpressure Verbatim to 30511 is encountered in 2008 NFPA 30A Chapter 5paragraph 51 Scope The owner states his piping complies with the standard cited because it is gravity-fed hence no ldquopressurerdquo is seen by the piping components I maintain that thepiping system shall consist of metal pipe (or another material meeting therequirements of ASME B31 as allowed by 2003 NFPA 30531) to comply with NFPA30 and IFC Some assistance to resolve this problem is greatly appreciated I have attachedsome photographs for clarification Thanks for your attentionEric

Eric ActonFire MarshalCampbell County Fire Department 106 Rohan Avenue Gillette WY 82716 (307) 682-5319 ext 8912(307) 686-2222 Fax(307) 680-9612 Cell

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From Benedetti BobTo Howard Jim (Woodbridge)Cc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiBcc May PaulSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Monday June 28 2010 115100 AM

Good morning Mr Howard First I appreciate your patience with me while I reviewed the information sent to meby yourself and Mr Luby of Veeder-Root I wanted to ensure that I thoroughlyunderstood how the system functions in its line leak detection mode My understanding of the arrangement of the piping system from the pair ofunderground storage tanks is that the electronic line leak detector the PLLD tests thesupply piping from the two submersible pumps to the dispensers as a single system This includes the direct piping run from the master pump to the dispensers AND thepiping that connects the slave pump to the direct piping run The intent of Subsection 642 of the 2008 edition of NFPA 30A Code for Motor FuelDispensing Facilities and Repair Garages is to ensure that some type of leak detectiondevice monitors the piping from the submersible pump to the dispensers in such amanner that a leak in the piping leading to the dispensers or in the dispensersthemselves is detected and notification of a leak given Since the two pumps act intandem and since the entire piping system from the pumps to the dispensers ismonitored my personal opinion is that the intent of Subsection 642 is met andevaluation of the system described as being equivalent to what is required bySubsection 642 is reasonable Whether the system described meets the criteria of Section 15 Equivalency of NFPA30A must be determined by the authority having jurisdiction As NFPA Staff Liaison forNFPA 30A I cannot make such a determination under NFPArsquos Regulations GoverningCommittee Projects Please understand that this response is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 ofNFPArsquos Regulations Governing Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon todefinitively determine compliance with any laws ordinances rules or regulations Todetermine legal compliance you should refer to the appropriate authority havingjurisdiction or seek legal advice It is not intended nor should it be relied upon toprovide professional consultation or services To determine the adequacy or safety ofany device or installation you should consult with an appropriate professional I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write Iwill be happy to assist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant toNFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does notnecessarily represent the official position of the NFPA or its Technical Committees Inaddition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it be relied upon to provideprofessional consultation or services cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids Engineer

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National Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

If you have a reported fire in your home the risk of dyingdecreases by about 80 percent when sprinklers are present

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From Howard Jim (Woodbridge) [mailtoJHowardhesscom] Sent Monday June 14 2010 1144 AMTo Benedetti BobCc Howard Jim (Woodbridge) Bob Luby Subject Importance High Bob It was a pleasure talking to you this morning regarding the Line Leak Detection applicationin place at Hess Station 08501 - Milltown DE (drawing attached) as well as several thousandlocations worldwide Here is some background information on this installation

Site had 3 - 10000 gallon gasoline tanks 1 - 10000 Regular (87) 1 - 10000 Plus (89) 1 - 10000 Premium (93) prior to our Dispenser Replacement Project Because of theoverwhelming demand for Regular gasoline (887 in 2009) we converted the existingPlus tank to additional Regular storageDispensers were replaced with new Blend Dispensers Tanks were not manifoldedRegular and former-Plus product lines were manifolded at each dispenserWe installed Veeder-Root PLLDs (Electronic Line Leak Detectors) on the Regular 1and Premium STPs We installed a non-vented Swift Check on Regular 2 (formerPlus) STP Because the PLLD is vented we MUST install a non-vented swift check onRegular STP 2 in order to test the system as a wholeWe have demonstrated via post-construction testing that the system will pick up a 3gph leak

The State of DE has questioned our compliance with NFPA 30A 642 Each pump shallhave installed on the discharge side a listed leak detection device that will provide an audibleor visible indication if the piping or a dispenser is leaking Each leak-detecting device shallbe checked and tested at least annually according to the manufacturers specifications toensure proper installation and operation

Can you comment on whether the system shown on the attached and described above and onour call meets the NFPA requirement or if it meets the definition of Equivalency as definedin Chapter 15 - Equivalency Thank you in advance for your consideration in this matter Please do not hesitate to contactme if there are any questions or concerns on this application ThanksJim Howard RFMPManager Maintenance amp UST ComplianceHess Corporation732-750-6220 (office)800-903-4801 (Emergency Hotline)E-mail UST Inspections to USTCompliancehesscomFax UST Inspections to 866-435-6744

This e-mail and any attachments are for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may containinformation that is confidential If you are not the intended recipient(s) and have received this e-mail in error please immediately notify the sender by return e-mail and delete this e-mail fromyour computer Any distribution disclosure or the taking of any other action by anyone other thanthe intended recipient(s) is strictly prohibited

From Benedetti BobTo Gary KostalCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiBcc May PaulSubject Inquiry NFPA 30 NFPA 30ADate Tuesday August 10 2010 43200 PM

Good afternoon Mr Kostal There are no provisions in NFPA 30 Flammable and Combustible Liquids Code togovern dispensing of motor fuels into motorized equipment and the devices youdescribe are not mentioned at all in NFPA 30 or in the only other related NFPAdocument that might apply NFPA 30A Code for Motor Fuel Dispensing Facilities andRepair Garages I cannot say that these units are either allowed or disallowed because neither NFPA30 nor NFPA 30A speaks about them The only provisions that might apply are the quantity limitations established in thesetwo codes depending on which code applies If the maintenance building is considered an industrial occupancy then Chapter 9 ofNFPA 30 establishes a maximum allowable quantity for of 120 gallons for Class Iliquids (The maximum allowable quantity is actually a threshold value Up to theMAQ compliance with NFPA 30 is not required above it NFPA 30 applies) If the maintenance building is considered a repair garage then NFPA 30A takesprecedence It also sets a 120 gallon limit on the maximum quantity of Class I liquid In both cases the quantity of fuel involved is 50 percent of the maximum allowed Myopinion is that there is no violation of either NFPA 30 or NFPA 30A Please understand that this response is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 ofNFPArsquos Regulations Governing Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon todefinitively determine compliance with any laws ordinances rules or regulations Todetermine legal compliance you should refer to the appropriate authority havingjurisdiction or seek legal advice It is not intended nor should it be relied upon toprovide professional consultation or services To determine the adequacy or safety ofany device or installation you should consult with an appropriate professional I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write Iwill be happy to assist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant toNFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does notnecessarily represent the official position of the NFPA or its Technical Committees Inaddition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it be relied upon to provideprofessional consultation or services cc 30IFI 30AIFI-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch Park

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Quincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg Important Notice This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPA RegulationsAny opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarily represent the officialposition of the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition this correspondence is neither intended norshould it be relied upon to provide professional consultation or services

Visit wwwfirepreventionweekorg or call 800-344-3555 for more information Check out FPW on social mediahellipwwwtwittercomfpw2010wwwfacebookcomfirepreventionweekhttpnfpatypepadcomfpw Check out NFPA onhellip

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From Gary Kostal [mailtogarykbloomingdalefirecom] Sent Monday August 09 2010 328 PMTo Benedetti BobSubject Looking for assistance - portable gas caddies Membership 2329840 Gary KostalFire Prevention DirectorBloomingdale Fire District Question (Non-formal opinion) I have a country club where they service a very large number of lawn maintenance equipment on a dailybasis They are utilizing a portable gas container (gas caddy) that holds approximately 30 gallons ofgasoline The unit is equipped with a hand style pump which is located on the top of the tank Fuel isdispensed from this tank as you crank the pump There are no nozzles located on the hose These gascaddies are being used inside their maintenance building which is fully fire sprinkled They are presentlyusing two of these devices inside the same building which is basically one days use

My question is are these devices allowed for this type of dispensing Are they required to be equippedwith a self closing nozzle What NFPA sections would apply to this particular type of device Thank you for your assistance in this matter

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From Benedetti BobTo SheldonSchallWisconsingovCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Wednesday September 30 2009 45929 PM

Good afternoon Sheldon I will here provide more detailed answers to your questions as posed in the email you sent to me today Section 30A-4323 limits tank storage capacity for Class I and II No limit for Class IIIA or IIIB

You are correct The intent of 4323 is to limit the capacities only of those tanks that storeClass I and II liquids Recall that when NFPA 30A initially allowed aboveground storage tanks atvehicle fueling sites biofuels were not in the picture just gasoline (Class I) and diesel fuel (ClassII) The Technical Committee at the time did not conceive that there would be the need to storeClass III fuels because there werenrsquot any The bottom line NFPA 30A does not limit the capacityof an aboveground storage tank that holds a motor fuel that is a Class III liquid

Section 30A-4324 refers to setbacks in Table 4324 No indication that these setbacks are specific toor exclude any class of flammable or combustible so it appears that the setbacks apply to Class I -Class IIIB liquids This table appears to conflict with the previous section for Class IIIA amp IIIB liquids

This is again correct that the separation distances in Table 4324 are not specific to anyparticular Class of liquid There is no conflict however 4323 deals with tank capacities 4324 deals with separation distances for the tanks Since 4324 does not specify anyparticular liquid class(es) it applies to ALL liquid classes

Section 30A-4325 allows an increased capacity for Class II and III liquids at fleet facilities Thisappears to conflict with section 4323 for Class III liquids which didnt have a capacity limit to startwith

Here there is a conflict or at least a serious inconsistency This provision was added one or twoeditions after 4323 and it appears that biofuels are beginning to be recognized It also appearsthat the intent here was to allow a relaxation of one limit in favor of a more liberal one Theproblem is the original limit doesnrsquot exist making it arguable that the application of 4325 toClass III liquids is meaningless Given the obvious intent here for some limit on Class III liquidfuels 4323 should be amended to include Class IIIs

Section 30A-4327 addresses dispensing from an aboveground tank for Class I and II liquids based uponspecific conditions

Paragraph 4322 is a hold-over dating back to when service stations were covered in Chapter 7of the old versions of NFPA 30 This set of requirements should also be amended to include ClassIIIs

Section 30A-4328 refers to NFPA 30-2171 for spill and overfill This section only applies to class Iand II liquids

While it is true that Subsection 2171 of NFPA 30 only applies to Classes I and II I do not believeit is a conflict for NFPA 30A to also apply it to Class III as well if the Technical Committee it isappropriate to do so However the language needs to be improved or an Annex item should beadded to explain the extrapolation and the reason for it

I will add this to the next meetingrsquos agenda for the Technical Committee on Automotive and MarineService Stations As usual the following applies Please understand that this response to your inquiry is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 of NFPArsquos RegulationsGoverning Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitively determine compliance with anylaws ordinances rules or regulations To determine the adequacy or safety of any device or installationyou should consult with an appropriate professional To determine legal compliance you should refer tothe appropriate authority having jurisdiction or seek legal advice

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I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will be happy toassist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarily represent the official positionof the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it berelied upon to provide professional consultation or services cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

Fire Prevention Week is October 4 ndash 10 2009 Visit wwwfirepreventionweekorg or call 800-344-3555 for moreinformation NFPA Seminars - Apply the codes with confidenceRegister at wwwnfpalearnorg NFPA Membership keeps you up-to-dateVisit wwwnfpaorgjoin for more information Or call 800-344-3555Notice The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for theexclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential andor privileged information If you are not the intendedrecipient please notify Robert Benedetti immediately by replying to the message or by calling (617) 984-7433 Please deletethis message and any attachments from your system Thank you Considering the variables in the sections referenced above are the setbacks in Table 4324 intended toapply to Class IIIA andor Class IIIB liquids for public fueling

From Schall Sheldon - COMMERCE [mailtoSheldonSchallWisconsingov] Sent Wednesday September 30 2009 832 AMTo Benedetti BobSubject NFPA 30A-4324 inquiry - URGENT Section 30A-4323 limits tank storage capacity for Class I and II No limit for Class IIIA or IIIB trueSection 30A-4324 refers to setbacks in Table 4324 No indication that these setbacks are specific toor exclude any class of flammable or combustible so it appears that the setbacks apply to Class I -Class IIIB liquids This table appears to conflict with the previous section for Class IIIA amp IIIB liquids Also trueSection 30A-4325 allows an increased capacity for Class II and III liquids at fleet facilities Thisappears to conflict with section 4323 for Class III liquids which didnt have a capacity limit to startwith Either one or the other needs to changeSection 30A-4327 addresses dispensing from an aboveground tank for Class I and II liquids based uponspecific conditions Need to cover IIIBSection 30A-4328 refers to NFPA 30-2171 for spill and overfill This section only applies to class Iand II liquids Class IIIs need to be specifically addressed Considering the variables in the sections referenced above are the setbacks in Table 4324 intended toapply to Class IIIA andor Class IIIB liquids for public fueling

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From Benedetti BobTo Bill HickmanCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Monday December 14 2009 50332 PM

Good afternoon Mr Hickman To answer your question the separation distances in Table 4324 of NFPA 30A Code for MotorFuel Dispensing Facilities and Repair Garages are intended to apply to outside abovegroundstorage tanks for fuel where such is allowed The tanks inside a service station building majorrepair garage or minor repair garage would likely be handling Class IIIB liquids (flash point gt200 degF) only in accordance with Subsection 4392 of NFPA 30A Subsection 4392 does not set any specific requirements for separation between tanks inside abuilding although it does refer back to Chapters 21 through 23 of NFPA 30 Flammable andCombustible Liquids Code Shell-to-shell spacing distances for aboveground tanks areestablished in Table 22421 Table 22421 is intended for much large tanks than one wouldfind in a repair garage or ldquolube-onlyrdquo facility For example the minimum separation for tanksstoring Class IIIB liquids is 3 feet as set forth in 224212 But again the separationdistances in Chapter 22 of NFPA 30 are intended for tank farm application not for the muchsmaller tanks found in the type of occupancy governed by NFPA 30A Also any facility meeting the requirements of NFPA 30A is considered to be in compliance withNFPA 30 Please understand that this response to your inquiry is a personal opinion and does notconstitute a Formal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 ofNFPArsquos Regulations Governing Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitivelydetermine compliance with any laws ordinances rules or regulations To determine theadequacy or safety of any device or installation you should consult with an appropriateprofessional To determine legal compliance you should refer to the appropriate authorityhaving jurisdiction or seek legal advice I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will behappy to assist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPARegulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarilyrepresent the official position of the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition thiscorrespondence is neither intended nor should it be relied upon to provide professional consultation orservices cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg If you have a reported fire in your home the risk of dyingdecreases by about 80 percent when sprinklers are present

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From Bill Hickman [mailtoBillHickmanstatecous] Sent Tuesday December 01 2009 939 AMTo Benedetti BobSubject Inquiry NFPA 30A - Storage of Liquids Inside Buildings Mr Benedetti Id appreciate your interpretation on an item regarding aboveground tanks storing lubricants (newused oil) inside abuilding at a repair garage NFPA 30A 439 does not include specific spacing requirements for tanks inside buildings Where there are multiple tanks being stored inside the building is there no minimum separation distance requirementthat must be met or do the requirements of Table 4324 apply Thank you in advance for your assistance __________________________________ Bill HickmanInspectorTechnical SpecialistCO Division of Oil amp Public Safety303-378-5090

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From Benedetti BobTo Peznowski EdwardCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Thursday September 03 2009 30455 PM

Hi Ed The 1996 edition of the Flammable and Combustible Liquids Code Handbook was the last one prior to thecurrent 2008 edition The commentary hasnrsquot changed My recollection of the development of this text is that the intent of NFPA 30A Code for Motor FuelDispensing Facilities and Repair Garages is to isolate the motor fuel dispensing area and its attendanthazard completely from the rest of the structure regardless of what else might be in the structure Subsection 524 assumes that the installation involves a motor fuel dispensing operation inside abuilding where you would not expect to have same such as an office building A bus repair facility wouldbe probably classed as a major repair garage and would be expected to have fueling operations Thehazard of this is in my opinion no greater than the repair operations It could be that the language in Subsection 524 needs to be clarified so that it applies only to situationssuch as I first described Please understand that this response to your inquiry is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 of NFPArsquos RegulationsGoverning Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitively determine compliance with anylaws ordinances rules or regulations To determine the adequacy or safety of any device or installationyou should consult with an appropriate professional To determine legal compliance you should refer tothe appropriate authority having jurisdiction or seek legal advice I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will be happy toassist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarily represent the official positionof the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it berelied upon to provide professional consultation or services cc 30AIFI 30AFAQ AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

Fire Prevention Week is October 4 ndash 10 2009 Visit wwwfirepreventionweekorg or call 800-344-3555 for moreinformation NFPA Seminars - Apply the codes with confidenceRegister at wwwnfpalearnorg NFPA Membership keeps you up-to-dateVisit wwwnfpaorgjoin for more information Or call 800-344-3555Notice The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for the

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exclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential andor privileged information If you are not the intendedrecipient please notify Robert Benedetti immediately by replying to the message or by calling (617) 984-7433 Please deletethis message and any attachments from your system Thank you

From Peznowski Edward [mailtoEdwardPeznowskipostatectus] Sent Monday August 31 2009 127 PMTo Benedetti BobSubject NFPA 30A Hi Bob Sorry to bother you but I need your help and interpretation of the following section of NFPA 30A 2000edition 524 - All piping inside buildings but outside the motor fuel dispensing area shall be enclosed within ahorizontal chase or a vertical shaft used only for this piping Vertical shafts and horizontal chases shall beconstructed of materials having a fire resistance rating of not less than 2 hours Bob I have a bus repair facility being built and we have fuel dispensing area within the building enclosedwith a 2hr fire resistive separation My question is I have diesel fuel piping coming from two tanks locatedoutside of the building the piping runs outside of the dispensing area does this piping need to be enclosed Ihave the proper UL listed system for through wall penetrations My problem lies here I have natural gas heating fuel oil lines for boilers and diesel fuel line for thegenerator all running through the area outside the 2 hour rated dispensing area which are not required to beenclosed My thought is within the 2 hour fire resistive construction I have storage rooms for grease and oil a office forfuel dispensing Any fuel piping running through these areas would be enclosed but once I go outside my 2hrrated enclosure the piping would not have to be enclosed NFPA 30A (1996edition)6-42 - All fuel and flammable vapor piping inside buildings but outside the service station area shall beenclosed within a horizontal chase or a vertical shaft used only for this piping Vertical shafts and horizontalchases shall be constructed of materials having a fire resistance rating of not less than 2 hoursCOMMENTARY 6-42 The intent of this requirement is to preserve the isolation of the service stationoperation from the rest of the building I donrsquot have the 2000 handbook for commentary Thanks Bob Edward J PeznowskiFire amp Life Safety SpecialistBureau of EngineeringOffice State Fire Marshal860-685-8350

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From Benedetti BobTo Hamilton James P (HOY)Cc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiSubject Inquiry NFPA 30A-2008Date Monday September 14 2009 115041 AM

Good morning Mr Hamilton The intent of this particular provision of Subsection 672 of NFPA 30A Code for Motor Fuel DispensingFacilities and Repair Garages is to ensure that the patron has access to a second disconnect if he or shecannot reach the primary disconnect ie the one that is between 20 and 100 feet from the dispenser In my opinion all of the emergency disconnects required by Section 67 must be at least 20 ft but normore than 100 ft from the nearest dispenser Please understand that this response to your inquiry is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 of NFPArsquos RegulationsGoverning Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitively determine compliance with anylaws ordinances rules or regulations To determine the adequacy or safety of any device or installationyou should consult with an appropriate professional To determine legal compliance you should refer tothe appropriate authority having jurisdiction or seek legal advice I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will be happy toassist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarily represent the official positionof the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it berelied upon to provide professional consultation or services cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

Fire Prevention Week is October 4 ndash 10 2009 Visit wwwfirepreventionweekorg or call 800-344-3555 for moreinformation NFPA Seminars - Apply the codes with confidenceRegister at wwwnfpalearnorg NFPA Membership keeps you up-to-dateVisit wwwnfpaorgjoin for more information Or call 800-344-3555Notice The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for theexclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential andor privileged information If you are not the intendedrecipient please notify Robert Benedetti immediately by replying to the message or by calling (617) 984-7433 Please deletethis message and any attachments from your system Thank you

From Hamilton James P (HOY) [mailtoHAMILTONJPbechteljacobsorg] Sent Thursday September 10 2009 1224 PMTo Benedetti BobSubject NFPA 30A 2008 Edition

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Importance High

NFPA 30A 672 states at least one additional device or disconnect shall be readily accessible toeach group of dispensing devices on an individual island Our installation does not have islands Should the second emergency shutoff be installed close to the pumps or between 20 and 100 ofthe pumps

Please respond back via email hamiltonjpbechteljacobsorg

Thanks

NFPA 127130 James P Hamilton CFPSTetraTek Inc - Fire Safety TechnologiesFire Protection LeadK-27 Pre-Demo Project 790 Emory Valley Rd 811 Oak Ridge TN 37830 ETTP Office 865-241-1902

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From Benedetti BobTo Scott DavonskiCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Tuesday August 04 2009 92429 AM

Good morning Mr Davonski My opinion is that the intent of the requirement in Subsection 1141 of NFPA 30A Code for Motor FuelDispensing Facilities and Repair Garages is that any hose longer than 18 feet should not simply bestrung along the dockrsquos surface Using a reel would be one means of securing the hose although Irsquomsure other methods such as hangers would work as well Please understand that this response to your inquiry is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 of NFPArsquos RegulationsGoverning Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitively determine compliance with anylaws ordinances rules or regulations To determine the adequacy or safety of any device or installationyou should consult with an appropriate professional To determine legal compliance you should refer tothe appropriate authority having jurisdiction or seek legal advice I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will be happy toassist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarily represent the official positionof the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it berelied upon to provide professional consultation or services cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

Fire Prevention Week is October 4 ndash 10 2009 Visit wwwfirepreventionweekorg or call 800-344-3555 for moreinformation NFPA Seminars - Apply the codes with confidenceRegister at wwwnfpalearnorg NFPA Membership keeps you up-to-dateVisit wwwnfpaorgjoin for more information Or call 800-344-3555Notice The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for theexclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential andor privileged information If you are not the intendedrecipient please notify Robert Benedetti immediately by replying to the message or by calling (617) 984-7433 Please deletethis message and any attachments from your system Thank you

From Scott Davonski [mailtodavonskiRiverheadlicom] Sent Wednesday July 22 2009 1118 AMTo Benedetti BobSubject 30A clarification

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1141 All hose shall be listed Where hose length exceeds 55 m (18 ft) the hose shall besecured so as to protect it from damage Can you provide clarification as to what is meant by ldquosecured so as to protect it fromdamagerdquo Is the standard looking not to have the hoses on the dock In a reel Any clarificationinformation would be appreciated Scott W DavonskiChief Fire MarshalTown of RiverheadP- 631-727-3200 ext 209F- 631-727-3370

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Eric ActonFire MarshalCampbell County Fire Department 106 Rohan Avenue Gillette WY 82716 (307) 682-5319 ext 8912(307) 686-2222 Fax(307) 680-9612 Cell

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From Benedetti BobTo Howard Jim (Woodbridge)Cc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiBcc May PaulSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Monday June 28 2010 115100 AM

Good morning Mr Howard First I appreciate your patience with me while I reviewed the information sent to meby yourself and Mr Luby of Veeder-Root I wanted to ensure that I thoroughlyunderstood how the system functions in its line leak detection mode My understanding of the arrangement of the piping system from the pair ofunderground storage tanks is that the electronic line leak detector the PLLD tests thesupply piping from the two submersible pumps to the dispensers as a single system This includes the direct piping run from the master pump to the dispensers AND thepiping that connects the slave pump to the direct piping run The intent of Subsection 642 of the 2008 edition of NFPA 30A Code for Motor FuelDispensing Facilities and Repair Garages is to ensure that some type of leak detectiondevice monitors the piping from the submersible pump to the dispensers in such amanner that a leak in the piping leading to the dispensers or in the dispensersthemselves is detected and notification of a leak given Since the two pumps act intandem and since the entire piping system from the pumps to the dispensers ismonitored my personal opinion is that the intent of Subsection 642 is met andevaluation of the system described as being equivalent to what is required bySubsection 642 is reasonable Whether the system described meets the criteria of Section 15 Equivalency of NFPA30A must be determined by the authority having jurisdiction As NFPA Staff Liaison forNFPA 30A I cannot make such a determination under NFPArsquos Regulations GoverningCommittee Projects Please understand that this response is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 ofNFPArsquos Regulations Governing Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon todefinitively determine compliance with any laws ordinances rules or regulations Todetermine legal compliance you should refer to the appropriate authority havingjurisdiction or seek legal advice It is not intended nor should it be relied upon toprovide professional consultation or services To determine the adequacy or safety ofany device or installation you should consult with an appropriate professional I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write Iwill be happy to assist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant toNFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does notnecessarily represent the official position of the NFPA or its Technical Committees Inaddition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it be relied upon to provideprofessional consultation or services cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids Engineer

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From Howard Jim (Woodbridge) [mailtoJHowardhesscom] Sent Monday June 14 2010 1144 AMTo Benedetti BobCc Howard Jim (Woodbridge) Bob Luby Subject Importance High Bob It was a pleasure talking to you this morning regarding the Line Leak Detection applicationin place at Hess Station 08501 - Milltown DE (drawing attached) as well as several thousandlocations worldwide Here is some background information on this installation

Site had 3 - 10000 gallon gasoline tanks 1 - 10000 Regular (87) 1 - 10000 Plus (89) 1 - 10000 Premium (93) prior to our Dispenser Replacement Project Because of theoverwhelming demand for Regular gasoline (887 in 2009) we converted the existingPlus tank to additional Regular storageDispensers were replaced with new Blend Dispensers Tanks were not manifoldedRegular and former-Plus product lines were manifolded at each dispenserWe installed Veeder-Root PLLDs (Electronic Line Leak Detectors) on the Regular 1and Premium STPs We installed a non-vented Swift Check on Regular 2 (formerPlus) STP Because the PLLD is vented we MUST install a non-vented swift check onRegular STP 2 in order to test the system as a wholeWe have demonstrated via post-construction testing that the system will pick up a 3gph leak

The State of DE has questioned our compliance with NFPA 30A 642 Each pump shallhave installed on the discharge side a listed leak detection device that will provide an audibleor visible indication if the piping or a dispenser is leaking Each leak-detecting device shallbe checked and tested at least annually according to the manufacturers specifications toensure proper installation and operation

Can you comment on whether the system shown on the attached and described above and onour call meets the NFPA requirement or if it meets the definition of Equivalency as definedin Chapter 15 - Equivalency Thank you in advance for your consideration in this matter Please do not hesitate to contactme if there are any questions or concerns on this application ThanksJim Howard RFMPManager Maintenance amp UST ComplianceHess Corporation732-750-6220 (office)800-903-4801 (Emergency Hotline)E-mail UST Inspections to USTCompliancehesscomFax UST Inspections to 866-435-6744

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From Benedetti BobTo Gary KostalCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiBcc May PaulSubject Inquiry NFPA 30 NFPA 30ADate Tuesday August 10 2010 43200 PM

Good afternoon Mr Kostal There are no provisions in NFPA 30 Flammable and Combustible Liquids Code togovern dispensing of motor fuels into motorized equipment and the devices youdescribe are not mentioned at all in NFPA 30 or in the only other related NFPAdocument that might apply NFPA 30A Code for Motor Fuel Dispensing Facilities andRepair Garages I cannot say that these units are either allowed or disallowed because neither NFPA30 nor NFPA 30A speaks about them The only provisions that might apply are the quantity limitations established in thesetwo codes depending on which code applies If the maintenance building is considered an industrial occupancy then Chapter 9 ofNFPA 30 establishes a maximum allowable quantity for of 120 gallons for Class Iliquids (The maximum allowable quantity is actually a threshold value Up to theMAQ compliance with NFPA 30 is not required above it NFPA 30 applies) If the maintenance building is considered a repair garage then NFPA 30A takesprecedence It also sets a 120 gallon limit on the maximum quantity of Class I liquid In both cases the quantity of fuel involved is 50 percent of the maximum allowed Myopinion is that there is no violation of either NFPA 30 or NFPA 30A Please understand that this response is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 ofNFPArsquos Regulations Governing Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon todefinitively determine compliance with any laws ordinances rules or regulations Todetermine legal compliance you should refer to the appropriate authority havingjurisdiction or seek legal advice It is not intended nor should it be relied upon toprovide professional consultation or services To determine the adequacy or safety ofany device or installation you should consult with an appropriate professional I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write Iwill be happy to assist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant toNFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does notnecessarily represent the official position of the NFPA or its Technical Committees Inaddition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it be relied upon to provideprofessional consultation or services cc 30IFI 30AIFI-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch Park

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Quincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg Important Notice This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPA RegulationsAny opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarily represent the officialposition of the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition this correspondence is neither intended norshould it be relied upon to provide professional consultation or services

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From Gary Kostal [mailtogarykbloomingdalefirecom] Sent Monday August 09 2010 328 PMTo Benedetti BobSubject Looking for assistance - portable gas caddies Membership 2329840 Gary KostalFire Prevention DirectorBloomingdale Fire District Question (Non-formal opinion) I have a country club where they service a very large number of lawn maintenance equipment on a dailybasis They are utilizing a portable gas container (gas caddy) that holds approximately 30 gallons ofgasoline The unit is equipped with a hand style pump which is located on the top of the tank Fuel isdispensed from this tank as you crank the pump There are no nozzles located on the hose These gascaddies are being used inside their maintenance building which is fully fire sprinkled They are presentlyusing two of these devices inside the same building which is basically one days use

My question is are these devices allowed for this type of dispensing Are they required to be equippedwith a self closing nozzle What NFPA sections would apply to this particular type of device Thank you for your assistance in this matter

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From Benedetti BobTo SheldonSchallWisconsingovCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Wednesday September 30 2009 45929 PM

Good afternoon Sheldon I will here provide more detailed answers to your questions as posed in the email you sent to me today Section 30A-4323 limits tank storage capacity for Class I and II No limit for Class IIIA or IIIB

You are correct The intent of 4323 is to limit the capacities only of those tanks that storeClass I and II liquids Recall that when NFPA 30A initially allowed aboveground storage tanks atvehicle fueling sites biofuels were not in the picture just gasoline (Class I) and diesel fuel (ClassII) The Technical Committee at the time did not conceive that there would be the need to storeClass III fuels because there werenrsquot any The bottom line NFPA 30A does not limit the capacityof an aboveground storage tank that holds a motor fuel that is a Class III liquid

Section 30A-4324 refers to setbacks in Table 4324 No indication that these setbacks are specific toor exclude any class of flammable or combustible so it appears that the setbacks apply to Class I -Class IIIB liquids This table appears to conflict with the previous section for Class IIIA amp IIIB liquids

This is again correct that the separation distances in Table 4324 are not specific to anyparticular Class of liquid There is no conflict however 4323 deals with tank capacities 4324 deals with separation distances for the tanks Since 4324 does not specify anyparticular liquid class(es) it applies to ALL liquid classes

Section 30A-4325 allows an increased capacity for Class II and III liquids at fleet facilities Thisappears to conflict with section 4323 for Class III liquids which didnt have a capacity limit to startwith

Here there is a conflict or at least a serious inconsistency This provision was added one or twoeditions after 4323 and it appears that biofuels are beginning to be recognized It also appearsthat the intent here was to allow a relaxation of one limit in favor of a more liberal one Theproblem is the original limit doesnrsquot exist making it arguable that the application of 4325 toClass III liquids is meaningless Given the obvious intent here for some limit on Class III liquidfuels 4323 should be amended to include Class IIIs

Section 30A-4327 addresses dispensing from an aboveground tank for Class I and II liquids based uponspecific conditions

Paragraph 4322 is a hold-over dating back to when service stations were covered in Chapter 7of the old versions of NFPA 30 This set of requirements should also be amended to include ClassIIIs

Section 30A-4328 refers to NFPA 30-2171 for spill and overfill This section only applies to class Iand II liquids

While it is true that Subsection 2171 of NFPA 30 only applies to Classes I and II I do not believeit is a conflict for NFPA 30A to also apply it to Class III as well if the Technical Committee it isappropriate to do so However the language needs to be improved or an Annex item should beadded to explain the extrapolation and the reason for it

I will add this to the next meetingrsquos agenda for the Technical Committee on Automotive and MarineService Stations As usual the following applies Please understand that this response to your inquiry is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 of NFPArsquos RegulationsGoverning Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitively determine compliance with anylaws ordinances rules or regulations To determine the adequacy or safety of any device or installationyou should consult with an appropriate professional To determine legal compliance you should refer tothe appropriate authority having jurisdiction or seek legal advice

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I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will be happy toassist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarily represent the official positionof the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it berelied upon to provide professional consultation or services cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

Fire Prevention Week is October 4 ndash 10 2009 Visit wwwfirepreventionweekorg or call 800-344-3555 for moreinformation NFPA Seminars - Apply the codes with confidenceRegister at wwwnfpalearnorg NFPA Membership keeps you up-to-dateVisit wwwnfpaorgjoin for more information Or call 800-344-3555Notice The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for theexclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential andor privileged information If you are not the intendedrecipient please notify Robert Benedetti immediately by replying to the message or by calling (617) 984-7433 Please deletethis message and any attachments from your system Thank you Considering the variables in the sections referenced above are the setbacks in Table 4324 intended toapply to Class IIIA andor Class IIIB liquids for public fueling

From Schall Sheldon - COMMERCE [mailtoSheldonSchallWisconsingov] Sent Wednesday September 30 2009 832 AMTo Benedetti BobSubject NFPA 30A-4324 inquiry - URGENT Section 30A-4323 limits tank storage capacity for Class I and II No limit for Class IIIA or IIIB trueSection 30A-4324 refers to setbacks in Table 4324 No indication that these setbacks are specific toor exclude any class of flammable or combustible so it appears that the setbacks apply to Class I -Class IIIB liquids This table appears to conflict with the previous section for Class IIIA amp IIIB liquids Also trueSection 30A-4325 allows an increased capacity for Class II and III liquids at fleet facilities Thisappears to conflict with section 4323 for Class III liquids which didnt have a capacity limit to startwith Either one or the other needs to changeSection 30A-4327 addresses dispensing from an aboveground tank for Class I and II liquids based uponspecific conditions Need to cover IIIBSection 30A-4328 refers to NFPA 30-2171 for spill and overfill This section only applies to class Iand II liquids Class IIIs need to be specifically addressed Considering the variables in the sections referenced above are the setbacks in Table 4324 intended toapply to Class IIIA andor Class IIIB liquids for public fueling

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From Benedetti BobTo Bill HickmanCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Monday December 14 2009 50332 PM

Good afternoon Mr Hickman To answer your question the separation distances in Table 4324 of NFPA 30A Code for MotorFuel Dispensing Facilities and Repair Garages are intended to apply to outside abovegroundstorage tanks for fuel where such is allowed The tanks inside a service station building majorrepair garage or minor repair garage would likely be handling Class IIIB liquids (flash point gt200 degF) only in accordance with Subsection 4392 of NFPA 30A Subsection 4392 does not set any specific requirements for separation between tanks inside abuilding although it does refer back to Chapters 21 through 23 of NFPA 30 Flammable andCombustible Liquids Code Shell-to-shell spacing distances for aboveground tanks areestablished in Table 22421 Table 22421 is intended for much large tanks than one wouldfind in a repair garage or ldquolube-onlyrdquo facility For example the minimum separation for tanksstoring Class IIIB liquids is 3 feet as set forth in 224212 But again the separationdistances in Chapter 22 of NFPA 30 are intended for tank farm application not for the muchsmaller tanks found in the type of occupancy governed by NFPA 30A Also any facility meeting the requirements of NFPA 30A is considered to be in compliance withNFPA 30 Please understand that this response to your inquiry is a personal opinion and does notconstitute a Formal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 ofNFPArsquos Regulations Governing Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitivelydetermine compliance with any laws ordinances rules or regulations To determine theadequacy or safety of any device or installation you should consult with an appropriateprofessional To determine legal compliance you should refer to the appropriate authorityhaving jurisdiction or seek legal advice I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will behappy to assist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPARegulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarilyrepresent the official position of the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition thiscorrespondence is neither intended nor should it be relied upon to provide professional consultation orservices cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg If you have a reported fire in your home the risk of dyingdecreases by about 80 percent when sprinklers are present

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From Bill Hickman [mailtoBillHickmanstatecous] Sent Tuesday December 01 2009 939 AMTo Benedetti BobSubject Inquiry NFPA 30A - Storage of Liquids Inside Buildings Mr Benedetti Id appreciate your interpretation on an item regarding aboveground tanks storing lubricants (newused oil) inside abuilding at a repair garage NFPA 30A 439 does not include specific spacing requirements for tanks inside buildings Where there are multiple tanks being stored inside the building is there no minimum separation distance requirementthat must be met or do the requirements of Table 4324 apply Thank you in advance for your assistance __________________________________ Bill HickmanInspectorTechnical SpecialistCO Division of Oil amp Public Safety303-378-5090

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From Benedetti BobTo Peznowski EdwardCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Thursday September 03 2009 30455 PM

Hi Ed The 1996 edition of the Flammable and Combustible Liquids Code Handbook was the last one prior to thecurrent 2008 edition The commentary hasnrsquot changed My recollection of the development of this text is that the intent of NFPA 30A Code for Motor FuelDispensing Facilities and Repair Garages is to isolate the motor fuel dispensing area and its attendanthazard completely from the rest of the structure regardless of what else might be in the structure Subsection 524 assumes that the installation involves a motor fuel dispensing operation inside abuilding where you would not expect to have same such as an office building A bus repair facility wouldbe probably classed as a major repair garage and would be expected to have fueling operations Thehazard of this is in my opinion no greater than the repair operations It could be that the language in Subsection 524 needs to be clarified so that it applies only to situationssuch as I first described Please understand that this response to your inquiry is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 of NFPArsquos RegulationsGoverning Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitively determine compliance with anylaws ordinances rules or regulations To determine the adequacy or safety of any device or installationyou should consult with an appropriate professional To determine legal compliance you should refer tothe appropriate authority having jurisdiction or seek legal advice I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will be happy toassist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarily represent the official positionof the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it berelied upon to provide professional consultation or services cc 30AIFI 30AFAQ AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

Fire Prevention Week is October 4 ndash 10 2009 Visit wwwfirepreventionweekorg or call 800-344-3555 for moreinformation NFPA Seminars - Apply the codes with confidenceRegister at wwwnfpalearnorg NFPA Membership keeps you up-to-dateVisit wwwnfpaorgjoin for more information Or call 800-344-3555Notice The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for the

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exclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential andor privileged information If you are not the intendedrecipient please notify Robert Benedetti immediately by replying to the message or by calling (617) 984-7433 Please deletethis message and any attachments from your system Thank you

From Peznowski Edward [mailtoEdwardPeznowskipostatectus] Sent Monday August 31 2009 127 PMTo Benedetti BobSubject NFPA 30A Hi Bob Sorry to bother you but I need your help and interpretation of the following section of NFPA 30A 2000edition 524 - All piping inside buildings but outside the motor fuel dispensing area shall be enclosed within ahorizontal chase or a vertical shaft used only for this piping Vertical shafts and horizontal chases shall beconstructed of materials having a fire resistance rating of not less than 2 hours Bob I have a bus repair facility being built and we have fuel dispensing area within the building enclosedwith a 2hr fire resistive separation My question is I have diesel fuel piping coming from two tanks locatedoutside of the building the piping runs outside of the dispensing area does this piping need to be enclosed Ihave the proper UL listed system for through wall penetrations My problem lies here I have natural gas heating fuel oil lines for boilers and diesel fuel line for thegenerator all running through the area outside the 2 hour rated dispensing area which are not required to beenclosed My thought is within the 2 hour fire resistive construction I have storage rooms for grease and oil a office forfuel dispensing Any fuel piping running through these areas would be enclosed but once I go outside my 2hrrated enclosure the piping would not have to be enclosed NFPA 30A (1996edition)6-42 - All fuel and flammable vapor piping inside buildings but outside the service station area shall beenclosed within a horizontal chase or a vertical shaft used only for this piping Vertical shafts and horizontalchases shall be constructed of materials having a fire resistance rating of not less than 2 hoursCOMMENTARY 6-42 The intent of this requirement is to preserve the isolation of the service stationoperation from the rest of the building I donrsquot have the 2000 handbook for commentary Thanks Bob Edward J PeznowskiFire amp Life Safety SpecialistBureau of EngineeringOffice State Fire Marshal860-685-8350

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From Benedetti BobTo Hamilton James P (HOY)Cc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiSubject Inquiry NFPA 30A-2008Date Monday September 14 2009 115041 AM

Good morning Mr Hamilton The intent of this particular provision of Subsection 672 of NFPA 30A Code for Motor Fuel DispensingFacilities and Repair Garages is to ensure that the patron has access to a second disconnect if he or shecannot reach the primary disconnect ie the one that is between 20 and 100 feet from the dispenser In my opinion all of the emergency disconnects required by Section 67 must be at least 20 ft but normore than 100 ft from the nearest dispenser Please understand that this response to your inquiry is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 of NFPArsquos RegulationsGoverning Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitively determine compliance with anylaws ordinances rules or regulations To determine the adequacy or safety of any device or installationyou should consult with an appropriate professional To determine legal compliance you should refer tothe appropriate authority having jurisdiction or seek legal advice I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will be happy toassist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarily represent the official positionof the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it berelied upon to provide professional consultation or services cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

Fire Prevention Week is October 4 ndash 10 2009 Visit wwwfirepreventionweekorg or call 800-344-3555 for moreinformation NFPA Seminars - Apply the codes with confidenceRegister at wwwnfpalearnorg NFPA Membership keeps you up-to-dateVisit wwwnfpaorgjoin for more information Or call 800-344-3555Notice The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for theexclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential andor privileged information If you are not the intendedrecipient please notify Robert Benedetti immediately by replying to the message or by calling (617) 984-7433 Please deletethis message and any attachments from your system Thank you

From Hamilton James P (HOY) [mailtoHAMILTONJPbechteljacobsorg] Sent Thursday September 10 2009 1224 PMTo Benedetti BobSubject NFPA 30A 2008 Edition

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Importance High

NFPA 30A 672 states at least one additional device or disconnect shall be readily accessible toeach group of dispensing devices on an individual island Our installation does not have islands Should the second emergency shutoff be installed close to the pumps or between 20 and 100 ofthe pumps

Please respond back via email hamiltonjpbechteljacobsorg

Thanks

NFPA 127130 James P Hamilton CFPSTetraTek Inc - Fire Safety TechnologiesFire Protection LeadK-27 Pre-Demo Project 790 Emory Valley Rd 811 Oak Ridge TN 37830 ETTP Office 865-241-1902

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From Benedetti BobTo Scott DavonskiCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Tuesday August 04 2009 92429 AM

Good morning Mr Davonski My opinion is that the intent of the requirement in Subsection 1141 of NFPA 30A Code for Motor FuelDispensing Facilities and Repair Garages is that any hose longer than 18 feet should not simply bestrung along the dockrsquos surface Using a reel would be one means of securing the hose although Irsquomsure other methods such as hangers would work as well Please understand that this response to your inquiry is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 of NFPArsquos RegulationsGoverning Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitively determine compliance with anylaws ordinances rules or regulations To determine the adequacy or safety of any device or installationyou should consult with an appropriate professional To determine legal compliance you should refer tothe appropriate authority having jurisdiction or seek legal advice I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will be happy toassist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarily represent the official positionof the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it berelied upon to provide professional consultation or services cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

Fire Prevention Week is October 4 ndash 10 2009 Visit wwwfirepreventionweekorg or call 800-344-3555 for moreinformation NFPA Seminars - Apply the codes with confidenceRegister at wwwnfpalearnorg NFPA Membership keeps you up-to-dateVisit wwwnfpaorgjoin for more information Or call 800-344-3555Notice The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for theexclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential andor privileged information If you are not the intendedrecipient please notify Robert Benedetti immediately by replying to the message or by calling (617) 984-7433 Please deletethis message and any attachments from your system Thank you

From Scott Davonski [mailtodavonskiRiverheadlicom] Sent Wednesday July 22 2009 1118 AMTo Benedetti BobSubject 30A clarification

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1141 All hose shall be listed Where hose length exceeds 55 m (18 ft) the hose shall besecured so as to protect it from damage Can you provide clarification as to what is meant by ldquosecured so as to protect it fromdamagerdquo Is the standard looking not to have the hoses on the dock In a reel Any clarificationinformation would be appreciated Scott W DavonskiChief Fire MarshalTown of RiverheadP- 631-727-3200 ext 209F- 631-727-3370

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From Benedetti BobTo Howard Jim (Woodbridge)Cc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiBcc May PaulSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Monday June 28 2010 115100 AM

Good morning Mr Howard First I appreciate your patience with me while I reviewed the information sent to meby yourself and Mr Luby of Veeder-Root I wanted to ensure that I thoroughlyunderstood how the system functions in its line leak detection mode My understanding of the arrangement of the piping system from the pair ofunderground storage tanks is that the electronic line leak detector the PLLD tests thesupply piping from the two submersible pumps to the dispensers as a single system This includes the direct piping run from the master pump to the dispensers AND thepiping that connects the slave pump to the direct piping run The intent of Subsection 642 of the 2008 edition of NFPA 30A Code for Motor FuelDispensing Facilities and Repair Garages is to ensure that some type of leak detectiondevice monitors the piping from the submersible pump to the dispensers in such amanner that a leak in the piping leading to the dispensers or in the dispensersthemselves is detected and notification of a leak given Since the two pumps act intandem and since the entire piping system from the pumps to the dispensers ismonitored my personal opinion is that the intent of Subsection 642 is met andevaluation of the system described as being equivalent to what is required bySubsection 642 is reasonable Whether the system described meets the criteria of Section 15 Equivalency of NFPA30A must be determined by the authority having jurisdiction As NFPA Staff Liaison forNFPA 30A I cannot make such a determination under NFPArsquos Regulations GoverningCommittee Projects Please understand that this response is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 ofNFPArsquos Regulations Governing Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon todefinitively determine compliance with any laws ordinances rules or regulations Todetermine legal compliance you should refer to the appropriate authority havingjurisdiction or seek legal advice It is not intended nor should it be relied upon toprovide professional consultation or services To determine the adequacy or safety ofany device or installation you should consult with an appropriate professional I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write Iwill be happy to assist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant toNFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does notnecessarily represent the official position of the NFPA or its Technical Committees Inaddition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it be relied upon to provideprofessional consultation or services cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids Engineer

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From Howard Jim (Woodbridge) [mailtoJHowardhesscom] Sent Monday June 14 2010 1144 AMTo Benedetti BobCc Howard Jim (Woodbridge) Bob Luby Subject Importance High Bob It was a pleasure talking to you this morning regarding the Line Leak Detection applicationin place at Hess Station 08501 - Milltown DE (drawing attached) as well as several thousandlocations worldwide Here is some background information on this installation

Site had 3 - 10000 gallon gasoline tanks 1 - 10000 Regular (87) 1 - 10000 Plus (89) 1 - 10000 Premium (93) prior to our Dispenser Replacement Project Because of theoverwhelming demand for Regular gasoline (887 in 2009) we converted the existingPlus tank to additional Regular storageDispensers were replaced with new Blend Dispensers Tanks were not manifoldedRegular and former-Plus product lines were manifolded at each dispenserWe installed Veeder-Root PLLDs (Electronic Line Leak Detectors) on the Regular 1and Premium STPs We installed a non-vented Swift Check on Regular 2 (formerPlus) STP Because the PLLD is vented we MUST install a non-vented swift check onRegular STP 2 in order to test the system as a wholeWe have demonstrated via post-construction testing that the system will pick up a 3gph leak

The State of DE has questioned our compliance with NFPA 30A 642 Each pump shallhave installed on the discharge side a listed leak detection device that will provide an audibleor visible indication if the piping or a dispenser is leaking Each leak-detecting device shallbe checked and tested at least annually according to the manufacturers specifications toensure proper installation and operation

Can you comment on whether the system shown on the attached and described above and onour call meets the NFPA requirement or if it meets the definition of Equivalency as definedin Chapter 15 - Equivalency Thank you in advance for your consideration in this matter Please do not hesitate to contactme if there are any questions or concerns on this application ThanksJim Howard RFMPManager Maintenance amp UST ComplianceHess Corporation732-750-6220 (office)800-903-4801 (Emergency Hotline)E-mail UST Inspections to USTCompliancehesscomFax UST Inspections to 866-435-6744

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From Benedetti BobTo Gary KostalCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiBcc May PaulSubject Inquiry NFPA 30 NFPA 30ADate Tuesday August 10 2010 43200 PM

Good afternoon Mr Kostal There are no provisions in NFPA 30 Flammable and Combustible Liquids Code togovern dispensing of motor fuels into motorized equipment and the devices youdescribe are not mentioned at all in NFPA 30 or in the only other related NFPAdocument that might apply NFPA 30A Code for Motor Fuel Dispensing Facilities andRepair Garages I cannot say that these units are either allowed or disallowed because neither NFPA30 nor NFPA 30A speaks about them The only provisions that might apply are the quantity limitations established in thesetwo codes depending on which code applies If the maintenance building is considered an industrial occupancy then Chapter 9 ofNFPA 30 establishes a maximum allowable quantity for of 120 gallons for Class Iliquids (The maximum allowable quantity is actually a threshold value Up to theMAQ compliance with NFPA 30 is not required above it NFPA 30 applies) If the maintenance building is considered a repair garage then NFPA 30A takesprecedence It also sets a 120 gallon limit on the maximum quantity of Class I liquid In both cases the quantity of fuel involved is 50 percent of the maximum allowed Myopinion is that there is no violation of either NFPA 30 or NFPA 30A Please understand that this response is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 ofNFPArsquos Regulations Governing Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon todefinitively determine compliance with any laws ordinances rules or regulations Todetermine legal compliance you should refer to the appropriate authority havingjurisdiction or seek legal advice It is not intended nor should it be relied upon toprovide professional consultation or services To determine the adequacy or safety ofany device or installation you should consult with an appropriate professional I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write Iwill be happy to assist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant toNFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does notnecessarily represent the official position of the NFPA or its Technical Committees Inaddition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it be relied upon to provideprofessional consultation or services cc 30IFI 30AIFI-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch Park

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Quincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg Important Notice This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPA RegulationsAny opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarily represent the officialposition of the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition this correspondence is neither intended norshould it be relied upon to provide professional consultation or services

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From Gary Kostal [mailtogarykbloomingdalefirecom] Sent Monday August 09 2010 328 PMTo Benedetti BobSubject Looking for assistance - portable gas caddies Membership 2329840 Gary KostalFire Prevention DirectorBloomingdale Fire District Question (Non-formal opinion) I have a country club where they service a very large number of lawn maintenance equipment on a dailybasis They are utilizing a portable gas container (gas caddy) that holds approximately 30 gallons ofgasoline The unit is equipped with a hand style pump which is located on the top of the tank Fuel isdispensed from this tank as you crank the pump There are no nozzles located on the hose These gascaddies are being used inside their maintenance building which is fully fire sprinkled They are presentlyusing two of these devices inside the same building which is basically one days use

My question is are these devices allowed for this type of dispensing Are they required to be equippedwith a self closing nozzle What NFPA sections would apply to this particular type of device Thank you for your assistance in this matter

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From Benedetti BobTo SheldonSchallWisconsingovCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Wednesday September 30 2009 45929 PM

Good afternoon Sheldon I will here provide more detailed answers to your questions as posed in the email you sent to me today Section 30A-4323 limits tank storage capacity for Class I and II No limit for Class IIIA or IIIB

You are correct The intent of 4323 is to limit the capacities only of those tanks that storeClass I and II liquids Recall that when NFPA 30A initially allowed aboveground storage tanks atvehicle fueling sites biofuels were not in the picture just gasoline (Class I) and diesel fuel (ClassII) The Technical Committee at the time did not conceive that there would be the need to storeClass III fuels because there werenrsquot any The bottom line NFPA 30A does not limit the capacityof an aboveground storage tank that holds a motor fuel that is a Class III liquid

Section 30A-4324 refers to setbacks in Table 4324 No indication that these setbacks are specific toor exclude any class of flammable or combustible so it appears that the setbacks apply to Class I -Class IIIB liquids This table appears to conflict with the previous section for Class IIIA amp IIIB liquids

This is again correct that the separation distances in Table 4324 are not specific to anyparticular Class of liquid There is no conflict however 4323 deals with tank capacities 4324 deals with separation distances for the tanks Since 4324 does not specify anyparticular liquid class(es) it applies to ALL liquid classes

Section 30A-4325 allows an increased capacity for Class II and III liquids at fleet facilities Thisappears to conflict with section 4323 for Class III liquids which didnt have a capacity limit to startwith

Here there is a conflict or at least a serious inconsistency This provision was added one or twoeditions after 4323 and it appears that biofuels are beginning to be recognized It also appearsthat the intent here was to allow a relaxation of one limit in favor of a more liberal one Theproblem is the original limit doesnrsquot exist making it arguable that the application of 4325 toClass III liquids is meaningless Given the obvious intent here for some limit on Class III liquidfuels 4323 should be amended to include Class IIIs

Section 30A-4327 addresses dispensing from an aboveground tank for Class I and II liquids based uponspecific conditions

Paragraph 4322 is a hold-over dating back to when service stations were covered in Chapter 7of the old versions of NFPA 30 This set of requirements should also be amended to include ClassIIIs

Section 30A-4328 refers to NFPA 30-2171 for spill and overfill This section only applies to class Iand II liquids

While it is true that Subsection 2171 of NFPA 30 only applies to Classes I and II I do not believeit is a conflict for NFPA 30A to also apply it to Class III as well if the Technical Committee it isappropriate to do so However the language needs to be improved or an Annex item should beadded to explain the extrapolation and the reason for it

I will add this to the next meetingrsquos agenda for the Technical Committee on Automotive and MarineService Stations As usual the following applies Please understand that this response to your inquiry is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 of NFPArsquos RegulationsGoverning Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitively determine compliance with anylaws ordinances rules or regulations To determine the adequacy or safety of any device or installationyou should consult with an appropriate professional To determine legal compliance you should refer tothe appropriate authority having jurisdiction or seek legal advice

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I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will be happy toassist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarily represent the official positionof the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it berelied upon to provide professional consultation or services cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

Fire Prevention Week is October 4 ndash 10 2009 Visit wwwfirepreventionweekorg or call 800-344-3555 for moreinformation NFPA Seminars - Apply the codes with confidenceRegister at wwwnfpalearnorg NFPA Membership keeps you up-to-dateVisit wwwnfpaorgjoin for more information Or call 800-344-3555Notice The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for theexclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential andor privileged information If you are not the intendedrecipient please notify Robert Benedetti immediately by replying to the message or by calling (617) 984-7433 Please deletethis message and any attachments from your system Thank you Considering the variables in the sections referenced above are the setbacks in Table 4324 intended toapply to Class IIIA andor Class IIIB liquids for public fueling

From Schall Sheldon - COMMERCE [mailtoSheldonSchallWisconsingov] Sent Wednesday September 30 2009 832 AMTo Benedetti BobSubject NFPA 30A-4324 inquiry - URGENT Section 30A-4323 limits tank storage capacity for Class I and II No limit for Class IIIA or IIIB trueSection 30A-4324 refers to setbacks in Table 4324 No indication that these setbacks are specific toor exclude any class of flammable or combustible so it appears that the setbacks apply to Class I -Class IIIB liquids This table appears to conflict with the previous section for Class IIIA amp IIIB liquids Also trueSection 30A-4325 allows an increased capacity for Class II and III liquids at fleet facilities Thisappears to conflict with section 4323 for Class III liquids which didnt have a capacity limit to startwith Either one or the other needs to changeSection 30A-4327 addresses dispensing from an aboveground tank for Class I and II liquids based uponspecific conditions Need to cover IIIBSection 30A-4328 refers to NFPA 30-2171 for spill and overfill This section only applies to class Iand II liquids Class IIIs need to be specifically addressed Considering the variables in the sections referenced above are the setbacks in Table 4324 intended toapply to Class IIIA andor Class IIIB liquids for public fueling

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From Benedetti BobTo Bill HickmanCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Monday December 14 2009 50332 PM

Good afternoon Mr Hickman To answer your question the separation distances in Table 4324 of NFPA 30A Code for MotorFuel Dispensing Facilities and Repair Garages are intended to apply to outside abovegroundstorage tanks for fuel where such is allowed The tanks inside a service station building majorrepair garage or minor repair garage would likely be handling Class IIIB liquids (flash point gt200 degF) only in accordance with Subsection 4392 of NFPA 30A Subsection 4392 does not set any specific requirements for separation between tanks inside abuilding although it does refer back to Chapters 21 through 23 of NFPA 30 Flammable andCombustible Liquids Code Shell-to-shell spacing distances for aboveground tanks areestablished in Table 22421 Table 22421 is intended for much large tanks than one wouldfind in a repair garage or ldquolube-onlyrdquo facility For example the minimum separation for tanksstoring Class IIIB liquids is 3 feet as set forth in 224212 But again the separationdistances in Chapter 22 of NFPA 30 are intended for tank farm application not for the muchsmaller tanks found in the type of occupancy governed by NFPA 30A Also any facility meeting the requirements of NFPA 30A is considered to be in compliance withNFPA 30 Please understand that this response to your inquiry is a personal opinion and does notconstitute a Formal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 ofNFPArsquos Regulations Governing Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitivelydetermine compliance with any laws ordinances rules or regulations To determine theadequacy or safety of any device or installation you should consult with an appropriateprofessional To determine legal compliance you should refer to the appropriate authorityhaving jurisdiction or seek legal advice I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will behappy to assist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPARegulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarilyrepresent the official position of the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition thiscorrespondence is neither intended nor should it be relied upon to provide professional consultation orservices cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg If you have a reported fire in your home the risk of dyingdecreases by about 80 percent when sprinklers are present

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From Bill Hickman [mailtoBillHickmanstatecous] Sent Tuesday December 01 2009 939 AMTo Benedetti BobSubject Inquiry NFPA 30A - Storage of Liquids Inside Buildings Mr Benedetti Id appreciate your interpretation on an item regarding aboveground tanks storing lubricants (newused oil) inside abuilding at a repair garage NFPA 30A 439 does not include specific spacing requirements for tanks inside buildings Where there are multiple tanks being stored inside the building is there no minimum separation distance requirementthat must be met or do the requirements of Table 4324 apply Thank you in advance for your assistance __________________________________ Bill HickmanInspectorTechnical SpecialistCO Division of Oil amp Public Safety303-378-5090

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From Benedetti BobTo Peznowski EdwardCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Thursday September 03 2009 30455 PM

Hi Ed The 1996 edition of the Flammable and Combustible Liquids Code Handbook was the last one prior to thecurrent 2008 edition The commentary hasnrsquot changed My recollection of the development of this text is that the intent of NFPA 30A Code for Motor FuelDispensing Facilities and Repair Garages is to isolate the motor fuel dispensing area and its attendanthazard completely from the rest of the structure regardless of what else might be in the structure Subsection 524 assumes that the installation involves a motor fuel dispensing operation inside abuilding where you would not expect to have same such as an office building A bus repair facility wouldbe probably classed as a major repair garage and would be expected to have fueling operations Thehazard of this is in my opinion no greater than the repair operations It could be that the language in Subsection 524 needs to be clarified so that it applies only to situationssuch as I first described Please understand that this response to your inquiry is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 of NFPArsquos RegulationsGoverning Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitively determine compliance with anylaws ordinances rules or regulations To determine the adequacy or safety of any device or installationyou should consult with an appropriate professional To determine legal compliance you should refer tothe appropriate authority having jurisdiction or seek legal advice I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will be happy toassist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarily represent the official positionof the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it berelied upon to provide professional consultation or services cc 30AIFI 30AFAQ AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

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From Peznowski Edward [mailtoEdwardPeznowskipostatectus] Sent Monday August 31 2009 127 PMTo Benedetti BobSubject NFPA 30A Hi Bob Sorry to bother you but I need your help and interpretation of the following section of NFPA 30A 2000edition 524 - All piping inside buildings but outside the motor fuel dispensing area shall be enclosed within ahorizontal chase or a vertical shaft used only for this piping Vertical shafts and horizontal chases shall beconstructed of materials having a fire resistance rating of not less than 2 hours Bob I have a bus repair facility being built and we have fuel dispensing area within the building enclosedwith a 2hr fire resistive separation My question is I have diesel fuel piping coming from two tanks locatedoutside of the building the piping runs outside of the dispensing area does this piping need to be enclosed Ihave the proper UL listed system for through wall penetrations My problem lies here I have natural gas heating fuel oil lines for boilers and diesel fuel line for thegenerator all running through the area outside the 2 hour rated dispensing area which are not required to beenclosed My thought is within the 2 hour fire resistive construction I have storage rooms for grease and oil a office forfuel dispensing Any fuel piping running through these areas would be enclosed but once I go outside my 2hrrated enclosure the piping would not have to be enclosed NFPA 30A (1996edition)6-42 - All fuel and flammable vapor piping inside buildings but outside the service station area shall beenclosed within a horizontal chase or a vertical shaft used only for this piping Vertical shafts and horizontalchases shall be constructed of materials having a fire resistance rating of not less than 2 hoursCOMMENTARY 6-42 The intent of this requirement is to preserve the isolation of the service stationoperation from the rest of the building I donrsquot have the 2000 handbook for commentary Thanks Bob Edward J PeznowskiFire amp Life Safety SpecialistBureau of EngineeringOffice State Fire Marshal860-685-8350

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From Benedetti BobTo Hamilton James P (HOY)Cc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiSubject Inquiry NFPA 30A-2008Date Monday September 14 2009 115041 AM

Good morning Mr Hamilton The intent of this particular provision of Subsection 672 of NFPA 30A Code for Motor Fuel DispensingFacilities and Repair Garages is to ensure that the patron has access to a second disconnect if he or shecannot reach the primary disconnect ie the one that is between 20 and 100 feet from the dispenser In my opinion all of the emergency disconnects required by Section 67 must be at least 20 ft but normore than 100 ft from the nearest dispenser Please understand that this response to your inquiry is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 of NFPArsquos RegulationsGoverning Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitively determine compliance with anylaws ordinances rules or regulations To determine the adequacy or safety of any device or installationyou should consult with an appropriate professional To determine legal compliance you should refer tothe appropriate authority having jurisdiction or seek legal advice I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will be happy toassist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarily represent the official positionof the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it berelied upon to provide professional consultation or services cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

Fire Prevention Week is October 4 ndash 10 2009 Visit wwwfirepreventionweekorg or call 800-344-3555 for moreinformation NFPA Seminars - Apply the codes with confidenceRegister at wwwnfpalearnorg NFPA Membership keeps you up-to-dateVisit wwwnfpaorgjoin for more information Or call 800-344-3555Notice The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for theexclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential andor privileged information If you are not the intendedrecipient please notify Robert Benedetti immediately by replying to the message or by calling (617) 984-7433 Please deletethis message and any attachments from your system Thank you

From Hamilton James P (HOY) [mailtoHAMILTONJPbechteljacobsorg] Sent Thursday September 10 2009 1224 PMTo Benedetti BobSubject NFPA 30A 2008 Edition

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Importance High

NFPA 30A 672 states at least one additional device or disconnect shall be readily accessible toeach group of dispensing devices on an individual island Our installation does not have islands Should the second emergency shutoff be installed close to the pumps or between 20 and 100 ofthe pumps

Please respond back via email hamiltonjpbechteljacobsorg

Thanks

NFPA 127130 James P Hamilton CFPSTetraTek Inc - Fire Safety TechnologiesFire Protection LeadK-27 Pre-Demo Project 790 Emory Valley Rd 811 Oak Ridge TN 37830 ETTP Office 865-241-1902

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From Benedetti BobTo Scott DavonskiCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Tuesday August 04 2009 92429 AM

Good morning Mr Davonski My opinion is that the intent of the requirement in Subsection 1141 of NFPA 30A Code for Motor FuelDispensing Facilities and Repair Garages is that any hose longer than 18 feet should not simply bestrung along the dockrsquos surface Using a reel would be one means of securing the hose although Irsquomsure other methods such as hangers would work as well Please understand that this response to your inquiry is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 of NFPArsquos RegulationsGoverning Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitively determine compliance with anylaws ordinances rules or regulations To determine the adequacy or safety of any device or installationyou should consult with an appropriate professional To determine legal compliance you should refer tothe appropriate authority having jurisdiction or seek legal advice I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will be happy toassist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarily represent the official positionof the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it berelied upon to provide professional consultation or services cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

Fire Prevention Week is October 4 ndash 10 2009 Visit wwwfirepreventionweekorg or call 800-344-3555 for moreinformation NFPA Seminars - Apply the codes with confidenceRegister at wwwnfpalearnorg NFPA Membership keeps you up-to-dateVisit wwwnfpaorgjoin for more information Or call 800-344-3555Notice The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for theexclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential andor privileged information If you are not the intendedrecipient please notify Robert Benedetti immediately by replying to the message or by calling (617) 984-7433 Please deletethis message and any attachments from your system Thank you

From Scott Davonski [mailtodavonskiRiverheadlicom] Sent Wednesday July 22 2009 1118 AMTo Benedetti BobSubject 30A clarification

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1141 All hose shall be listed Where hose length exceeds 55 m (18 ft) the hose shall besecured so as to protect it from damage Can you provide clarification as to what is meant by ldquosecured so as to protect it fromdamagerdquo Is the standard looking not to have the hoses on the dock In a reel Any clarificationinformation would be appreciated Scott W DavonskiChief Fire MarshalTown of RiverheadP- 631-727-3200 ext 209F- 631-727-3370

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Page 41: TECHNICAL COMMITTEE ON AUTOMOTIVE and MARINE … · SUBJECT: Agenda for ROC Meeting – October 4, 2010 _____ Ladies and Gentlemen: Attached is the Agenda for the NFPA 30A Report

From Benedetti BobTo Howard Jim (Woodbridge)Cc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiBcc May PaulSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Monday June 28 2010 115100 AM

Good morning Mr Howard First I appreciate your patience with me while I reviewed the information sent to meby yourself and Mr Luby of Veeder-Root I wanted to ensure that I thoroughlyunderstood how the system functions in its line leak detection mode My understanding of the arrangement of the piping system from the pair ofunderground storage tanks is that the electronic line leak detector the PLLD tests thesupply piping from the two submersible pumps to the dispensers as a single system This includes the direct piping run from the master pump to the dispensers AND thepiping that connects the slave pump to the direct piping run The intent of Subsection 642 of the 2008 edition of NFPA 30A Code for Motor FuelDispensing Facilities and Repair Garages is to ensure that some type of leak detectiondevice monitors the piping from the submersible pump to the dispensers in such amanner that a leak in the piping leading to the dispensers or in the dispensersthemselves is detected and notification of a leak given Since the two pumps act intandem and since the entire piping system from the pumps to the dispensers ismonitored my personal opinion is that the intent of Subsection 642 is met andevaluation of the system described as being equivalent to what is required bySubsection 642 is reasonable Whether the system described meets the criteria of Section 15 Equivalency of NFPA30A must be determined by the authority having jurisdiction As NFPA Staff Liaison forNFPA 30A I cannot make such a determination under NFPArsquos Regulations GoverningCommittee Projects Please understand that this response is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 ofNFPArsquos Regulations Governing Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon todefinitively determine compliance with any laws ordinances rules or regulations Todetermine legal compliance you should refer to the appropriate authority havingjurisdiction or seek legal advice It is not intended nor should it be relied upon toprovide professional consultation or services To determine the adequacy or safety ofany device or installation you should consult with an appropriate professional I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write Iwill be happy to assist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant toNFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does notnecessarily represent the official position of the NFPA or its Technical Committees Inaddition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it be relied upon to provideprofessional consultation or services cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids Engineer

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If you have a reported fire in your home the risk of dyingdecreases by about 80 percent when sprinklers are present

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From Howard Jim (Woodbridge) [mailtoJHowardhesscom] Sent Monday June 14 2010 1144 AMTo Benedetti BobCc Howard Jim (Woodbridge) Bob Luby Subject Importance High Bob It was a pleasure talking to you this morning regarding the Line Leak Detection applicationin place at Hess Station 08501 - Milltown DE (drawing attached) as well as several thousandlocations worldwide Here is some background information on this installation

Site had 3 - 10000 gallon gasoline tanks 1 - 10000 Regular (87) 1 - 10000 Plus (89) 1 - 10000 Premium (93) prior to our Dispenser Replacement Project Because of theoverwhelming demand for Regular gasoline (887 in 2009) we converted the existingPlus tank to additional Regular storageDispensers were replaced with new Blend Dispensers Tanks were not manifoldedRegular and former-Plus product lines were manifolded at each dispenserWe installed Veeder-Root PLLDs (Electronic Line Leak Detectors) on the Regular 1and Premium STPs We installed a non-vented Swift Check on Regular 2 (formerPlus) STP Because the PLLD is vented we MUST install a non-vented swift check onRegular STP 2 in order to test the system as a wholeWe have demonstrated via post-construction testing that the system will pick up a 3gph leak

The State of DE has questioned our compliance with NFPA 30A 642 Each pump shallhave installed on the discharge side a listed leak detection device that will provide an audibleor visible indication if the piping or a dispenser is leaking Each leak-detecting device shallbe checked and tested at least annually according to the manufacturers specifications toensure proper installation and operation

Can you comment on whether the system shown on the attached and described above and onour call meets the NFPA requirement or if it meets the definition of Equivalency as definedin Chapter 15 - Equivalency Thank you in advance for your consideration in this matter Please do not hesitate to contactme if there are any questions or concerns on this application ThanksJim Howard RFMPManager Maintenance amp UST ComplianceHess Corporation732-750-6220 (office)800-903-4801 (Emergency Hotline)E-mail UST Inspections to USTCompliancehesscomFax UST Inspections to 866-435-6744

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From Benedetti BobTo Gary KostalCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiBcc May PaulSubject Inquiry NFPA 30 NFPA 30ADate Tuesday August 10 2010 43200 PM

Good afternoon Mr Kostal There are no provisions in NFPA 30 Flammable and Combustible Liquids Code togovern dispensing of motor fuels into motorized equipment and the devices youdescribe are not mentioned at all in NFPA 30 or in the only other related NFPAdocument that might apply NFPA 30A Code for Motor Fuel Dispensing Facilities andRepair Garages I cannot say that these units are either allowed or disallowed because neither NFPA30 nor NFPA 30A speaks about them The only provisions that might apply are the quantity limitations established in thesetwo codes depending on which code applies If the maintenance building is considered an industrial occupancy then Chapter 9 ofNFPA 30 establishes a maximum allowable quantity for of 120 gallons for Class Iliquids (The maximum allowable quantity is actually a threshold value Up to theMAQ compliance with NFPA 30 is not required above it NFPA 30 applies) If the maintenance building is considered a repair garage then NFPA 30A takesprecedence It also sets a 120 gallon limit on the maximum quantity of Class I liquid In both cases the quantity of fuel involved is 50 percent of the maximum allowed Myopinion is that there is no violation of either NFPA 30 or NFPA 30A Please understand that this response is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 ofNFPArsquos Regulations Governing Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon todefinitively determine compliance with any laws ordinances rules or regulations Todetermine legal compliance you should refer to the appropriate authority havingjurisdiction or seek legal advice It is not intended nor should it be relied upon toprovide professional consultation or services To determine the adequacy or safety ofany device or installation you should consult with an appropriate professional I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write Iwill be happy to assist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant toNFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does notnecessarily represent the official position of the NFPA or its Technical Committees Inaddition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it be relied upon to provideprofessional consultation or services cc 30IFI 30AIFI-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch Park

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Quincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg Important Notice This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPA RegulationsAny opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarily represent the officialposition of the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition this correspondence is neither intended norshould it be relied upon to provide professional consultation or services

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From Gary Kostal [mailtogarykbloomingdalefirecom] Sent Monday August 09 2010 328 PMTo Benedetti BobSubject Looking for assistance - portable gas caddies Membership 2329840 Gary KostalFire Prevention DirectorBloomingdale Fire District Question (Non-formal opinion) I have a country club where they service a very large number of lawn maintenance equipment on a dailybasis They are utilizing a portable gas container (gas caddy) that holds approximately 30 gallons ofgasoline The unit is equipped with a hand style pump which is located on the top of the tank Fuel isdispensed from this tank as you crank the pump There are no nozzles located on the hose These gascaddies are being used inside their maintenance building which is fully fire sprinkled They are presentlyusing two of these devices inside the same building which is basically one days use

My question is are these devices allowed for this type of dispensing Are they required to be equippedwith a self closing nozzle What NFPA sections would apply to this particular type of device Thank you for your assistance in this matter

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From Benedetti BobTo SheldonSchallWisconsingovCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Wednesday September 30 2009 45929 PM

Good afternoon Sheldon I will here provide more detailed answers to your questions as posed in the email you sent to me today Section 30A-4323 limits tank storage capacity for Class I and II No limit for Class IIIA or IIIB

You are correct The intent of 4323 is to limit the capacities only of those tanks that storeClass I and II liquids Recall that when NFPA 30A initially allowed aboveground storage tanks atvehicle fueling sites biofuels were not in the picture just gasoline (Class I) and diesel fuel (ClassII) The Technical Committee at the time did not conceive that there would be the need to storeClass III fuels because there werenrsquot any The bottom line NFPA 30A does not limit the capacityof an aboveground storage tank that holds a motor fuel that is a Class III liquid

Section 30A-4324 refers to setbacks in Table 4324 No indication that these setbacks are specific toor exclude any class of flammable or combustible so it appears that the setbacks apply to Class I -Class IIIB liquids This table appears to conflict with the previous section for Class IIIA amp IIIB liquids

This is again correct that the separation distances in Table 4324 are not specific to anyparticular Class of liquid There is no conflict however 4323 deals with tank capacities 4324 deals with separation distances for the tanks Since 4324 does not specify anyparticular liquid class(es) it applies to ALL liquid classes

Section 30A-4325 allows an increased capacity for Class II and III liquids at fleet facilities Thisappears to conflict with section 4323 for Class III liquids which didnt have a capacity limit to startwith

Here there is a conflict or at least a serious inconsistency This provision was added one or twoeditions after 4323 and it appears that biofuels are beginning to be recognized It also appearsthat the intent here was to allow a relaxation of one limit in favor of a more liberal one Theproblem is the original limit doesnrsquot exist making it arguable that the application of 4325 toClass III liquids is meaningless Given the obvious intent here for some limit on Class III liquidfuels 4323 should be amended to include Class IIIs

Section 30A-4327 addresses dispensing from an aboveground tank for Class I and II liquids based uponspecific conditions

Paragraph 4322 is a hold-over dating back to when service stations were covered in Chapter 7of the old versions of NFPA 30 This set of requirements should also be amended to include ClassIIIs

Section 30A-4328 refers to NFPA 30-2171 for spill and overfill This section only applies to class Iand II liquids

While it is true that Subsection 2171 of NFPA 30 only applies to Classes I and II I do not believeit is a conflict for NFPA 30A to also apply it to Class III as well if the Technical Committee it isappropriate to do so However the language needs to be improved or an Annex item should beadded to explain the extrapolation and the reason for it

I will add this to the next meetingrsquos agenda for the Technical Committee on Automotive and MarineService Stations As usual the following applies Please understand that this response to your inquiry is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 of NFPArsquos RegulationsGoverning Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitively determine compliance with anylaws ordinances rules or regulations To determine the adequacy or safety of any device or installationyou should consult with an appropriate professional To determine legal compliance you should refer tothe appropriate authority having jurisdiction or seek legal advice

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I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will be happy toassist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarily represent the official positionof the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it berelied upon to provide professional consultation or services cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

Fire Prevention Week is October 4 ndash 10 2009 Visit wwwfirepreventionweekorg or call 800-344-3555 for moreinformation NFPA Seminars - Apply the codes with confidenceRegister at wwwnfpalearnorg NFPA Membership keeps you up-to-dateVisit wwwnfpaorgjoin for more information Or call 800-344-3555Notice The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for theexclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential andor privileged information If you are not the intendedrecipient please notify Robert Benedetti immediately by replying to the message or by calling (617) 984-7433 Please deletethis message and any attachments from your system Thank you Considering the variables in the sections referenced above are the setbacks in Table 4324 intended toapply to Class IIIA andor Class IIIB liquids for public fueling

From Schall Sheldon - COMMERCE [mailtoSheldonSchallWisconsingov] Sent Wednesday September 30 2009 832 AMTo Benedetti BobSubject NFPA 30A-4324 inquiry - URGENT Section 30A-4323 limits tank storage capacity for Class I and II No limit for Class IIIA or IIIB trueSection 30A-4324 refers to setbacks in Table 4324 No indication that these setbacks are specific toor exclude any class of flammable or combustible so it appears that the setbacks apply to Class I -Class IIIB liquids This table appears to conflict with the previous section for Class IIIA amp IIIB liquids Also trueSection 30A-4325 allows an increased capacity for Class II and III liquids at fleet facilities Thisappears to conflict with section 4323 for Class III liquids which didnt have a capacity limit to startwith Either one or the other needs to changeSection 30A-4327 addresses dispensing from an aboveground tank for Class I and II liquids based uponspecific conditions Need to cover IIIBSection 30A-4328 refers to NFPA 30-2171 for spill and overfill This section only applies to class Iand II liquids Class IIIs need to be specifically addressed Considering the variables in the sections referenced above are the setbacks in Table 4324 intended toapply to Class IIIA andor Class IIIB liquids for public fueling

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From Benedetti BobTo Bill HickmanCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Monday December 14 2009 50332 PM

Good afternoon Mr Hickman To answer your question the separation distances in Table 4324 of NFPA 30A Code for MotorFuel Dispensing Facilities and Repair Garages are intended to apply to outside abovegroundstorage tanks for fuel where such is allowed The tanks inside a service station building majorrepair garage or minor repair garage would likely be handling Class IIIB liquids (flash point gt200 degF) only in accordance with Subsection 4392 of NFPA 30A Subsection 4392 does not set any specific requirements for separation between tanks inside abuilding although it does refer back to Chapters 21 through 23 of NFPA 30 Flammable andCombustible Liquids Code Shell-to-shell spacing distances for aboveground tanks areestablished in Table 22421 Table 22421 is intended for much large tanks than one wouldfind in a repair garage or ldquolube-onlyrdquo facility For example the minimum separation for tanksstoring Class IIIB liquids is 3 feet as set forth in 224212 But again the separationdistances in Chapter 22 of NFPA 30 are intended for tank farm application not for the muchsmaller tanks found in the type of occupancy governed by NFPA 30A Also any facility meeting the requirements of NFPA 30A is considered to be in compliance withNFPA 30 Please understand that this response to your inquiry is a personal opinion and does notconstitute a Formal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 ofNFPArsquos Regulations Governing Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitivelydetermine compliance with any laws ordinances rules or regulations To determine theadequacy or safety of any device or installation you should consult with an appropriateprofessional To determine legal compliance you should refer to the appropriate authorityhaving jurisdiction or seek legal advice I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will behappy to assist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPARegulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarilyrepresent the official position of the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition thiscorrespondence is neither intended nor should it be relied upon to provide professional consultation orservices cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg If you have a reported fire in your home the risk of dyingdecreases by about 80 percent when sprinklers are present

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From Bill Hickman [mailtoBillHickmanstatecous] Sent Tuesday December 01 2009 939 AMTo Benedetti BobSubject Inquiry NFPA 30A - Storage of Liquids Inside Buildings Mr Benedetti Id appreciate your interpretation on an item regarding aboveground tanks storing lubricants (newused oil) inside abuilding at a repair garage NFPA 30A 439 does not include specific spacing requirements for tanks inside buildings Where there are multiple tanks being stored inside the building is there no minimum separation distance requirementthat must be met or do the requirements of Table 4324 apply Thank you in advance for your assistance __________________________________ Bill HickmanInspectorTechnical SpecialistCO Division of Oil amp Public Safety303-378-5090

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From Benedetti BobTo Peznowski EdwardCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Thursday September 03 2009 30455 PM

Hi Ed The 1996 edition of the Flammable and Combustible Liquids Code Handbook was the last one prior to thecurrent 2008 edition The commentary hasnrsquot changed My recollection of the development of this text is that the intent of NFPA 30A Code for Motor FuelDispensing Facilities and Repair Garages is to isolate the motor fuel dispensing area and its attendanthazard completely from the rest of the structure regardless of what else might be in the structure Subsection 524 assumes that the installation involves a motor fuel dispensing operation inside abuilding where you would not expect to have same such as an office building A bus repair facility wouldbe probably classed as a major repair garage and would be expected to have fueling operations Thehazard of this is in my opinion no greater than the repair operations It could be that the language in Subsection 524 needs to be clarified so that it applies only to situationssuch as I first described Please understand that this response to your inquiry is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 of NFPArsquos RegulationsGoverning Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitively determine compliance with anylaws ordinances rules or regulations To determine the adequacy or safety of any device or installationyou should consult with an appropriate professional To determine legal compliance you should refer tothe appropriate authority having jurisdiction or seek legal advice I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will be happy toassist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarily represent the official positionof the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it berelied upon to provide professional consultation or services cc 30AIFI 30AFAQ AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

Fire Prevention Week is October 4 ndash 10 2009 Visit wwwfirepreventionweekorg or call 800-344-3555 for moreinformation NFPA Seminars - Apply the codes with confidenceRegister at wwwnfpalearnorg NFPA Membership keeps you up-to-dateVisit wwwnfpaorgjoin for more information Or call 800-344-3555Notice The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for the

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exclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential andor privileged information If you are not the intendedrecipient please notify Robert Benedetti immediately by replying to the message or by calling (617) 984-7433 Please deletethis message and any attachments from your system Thank you

From Peznowski Edward [mailtoEdwardPeznowskipostatectus] Sent Monday August 31 2009 127 PMTo Benedetti BobSubject NFPA 30A Hi Bob Sorry to bother you but I need your help and interpretation of the following section of NFPA 30A 2000edition 524 - All piping inside buildings but outside the motor fuel dispensing area shall be enclosed within ahorizontal chase or a vertical shaft used only for this piping Vertical shafts and horizontal chases shall beconstructed of materials having a fire resistance rating of not less than 2 hours Bob I have a bus repair facility being built and we have fuel dispensing area within the building enclosedwith a 2hr fire resistive separation My question is I have diesel fuel piping coming from two tanks locatedoutside of the building the piping runs outside of the dispensing area does this piping need to be enclosed Ihave the proper UL listed system for through wall penetrations My problem lies here I have natural gas heating fuel oil lines for boilers and diesel fuel line for thegenerator all running through the area outside the 2 hour rated dispensing area which are not required to beenclosed My thought is within the 2 hour fire resistive construction I have storage rooms for grease and oil a office forfuel dispensing Any fuel piping running through these areas would be enclosed but once I go outside my 2hrrated enclosure the piping would not have to be enclosed NFPA 30A (1996edition)6-42 - All fuel and flammable vapor piping inside buildings but outside the service station area shall beenclosed within a horizontal chase or a vertical shaft used only for this piping Vertical shafts and horizontalchases shall be constructed of materials having a fire resistance rating of not less than 2 hoursCOMMENTARY 6-42 The intent of this requirement is to preserve the isolation of the service stationoperation from the rest of the building I donrsquot have the 2000 handbook for commentary Thanks Bob Edward J PeznowskiFire amp Life Safety SpecialistBureau of EngineeringOffice State Fire Marshal860-685-8350

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From Benedetti BobTo Hamilton James P (HOY)Cc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiSubject Inquiry NFPA 30A-2008Date Monday September 14 2009 115041 AM

Good morning Mr Hamilton The intent of this particular provision of Subsection 672 of NFPA 30A Code for Motor Fuel DispensingFacilities and Repair Garages is to ensure that the patron has access to a second disconnect if he or shecannot reach the primary disconnect ie the one that is between 20 and 100 feet from the dispenser In my opinion all of the emergency disconnects required by Section 67 must be at least 20 ft but normore than 100 ft from the nearest dispenser Please understand that this response to your inquiry is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 of NFPArsquos RegulationsGoverning Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitively determine compliance with anylaws ordinances rules or regulations To determine the adequacy or safety of any device or installationyou should consult with an appropriate professional To determine legal compliance you should refer tothe appropriate authority having jurisdiction or seek legal advice I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will be happy toassist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarily represent the official positionof the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it berelied upon to provide professional consultation or services cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

Fire Prevention Week is October 4 ndash 10 2009 Visit wwwfirepreventionweekorg or call 800-344-3555 for moreinformation NFPA Seminars - Apply the codes with confidenceRegister at wwwnfpalearnorg NFPA Membership keeps you up-to-dateVisit wwwnfpaorgjoin for more information Or call 800-344-3555Notice The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for theexclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential andor privileged information If you are not the intendedrecipient please notify Robert Benedetti immediately by replying to the message or by calling (617) 984-7433 Please deletethis message and any attachments from your system Thank you

From Hamilton James P (HOY) [mailtoHAMILTONJPbechteljacobsorg] Sent Thursday September 10 2009 1224 PMTo Benedetti BobSubject NFPA 30A 2008 Edition

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Importance High

NFPA 30A 672 states at least one additional device or disconnect shall be readily accessible toeach group of dispensing devices on an individual island Our installation does not have islands Should the second emergency shutoff be installed close to the pumps or between 20 and 100 ofthe pumps

Please respond back via email hamiltonjpbechteljacobsorg

Thanks

NFPA 127130 James P Hamilton CFPSTetraTek Inc - Fire Safety TechnologiesFire Protection LeadK-27 Pre-Demo Project 790 Emory Valley Rd 811 Oak Ridge TN 37830 ETTP Office 865-241-1902

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From Benedetti BobTo Scott DavonskiCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Tuesday August 04 2009 92429 AM

Good morning Mr Davonski My opinion is that the intent of the requirement in Subsection 1141 of NFPA 30A Code for Motor FuelDispensing Facilities and Repair Garages is that any hose longer than 18 feet should not simply bestrung along the dockrsquos surface Using a reel would be one means of securing the hose although Irsquomsure other methods such as hangers would work as well Please understand that this response to your inquiry is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 of NFPArsquos RegulationsGoverning Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitively determine compliance with anylaws ordinances rules or regulations To determine the adequacy or safety of any device or installationyou should consult with an appropriate professional To determine legal compliance you should refer tothe appropriate authority having jurisdiction or seek legal advice I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will be happy toassist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarily represent the official positionof the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it berelied upon to provide professional consultation or services cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

Fire Prevention Week is October 4 ndash 10 2009 Visit wwwfirepreventionweekorg or call 800-344-3555 for moreinformation NFPA Seminars - Apply the codes with confidenceRegister at wwwnfpalearnorg NFPA Membership keeps you up-to-dateVisit wwwnfpaorgjoin for more information Or call 800-344-3555Notice The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for theexclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential andor privileged information If you are not the intendedrecipient please notify Robert Benedetti immediately by replying to the message or by calling (617) 984-7433 Please deletethis message and any attachments from your system Thank you

From Scott Davonski [mailtodavonskiRiverheadlicom] Sent Wednesday July 22 2009 1118 AMTo Benedetti BobSubject 30A clarification

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1141 All hose shall be listed Where hose length exceeds 55 m (18 ft) the hose shall besecured so as to protect it from damage Can you provide clarification as to what is meant by ldquosecured so as to protect it fromdamagerdquo Is the standard looking not to have the hoses on the dock In a reel Any clarificationinformation would be appreciated Scott W DavonskiChief Fire MarshalTown of RiverheadP- 631-727-3200 ext 209F- 631-727-3370

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Page 42: TECHNICAL COMMITTEE ON AUTOMOTIVE and MARINE … · SUBJECT: Agenda for ROC Meeting – October 4, 2010 _____ Ladies and Gentlemen: Attached is the Agenda for the NFPA 30A Report

National Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

If you have a reported fire in your home the risk of dyingdecreases by about 80 percent when sprinklers are present

wwwfiresprinklerinitiativeorgNotice The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intendedfor the exclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential andor privileged information If you arenot the intended recipient please notify Robert Benedetti immediately by replying to the message or by calling(617) 984-7433 Please delete this message and any attachments from your system Thank you

From Howard Jim (Woodbridge) [mailtoJHowardhesscom] Sent Monday June 14 2010 1144 AMTo Benedetti BobCc Howard Jim (Woodbridge) Bob Luby Subject Importance High Bob It was a pleasure talking to you this morning regarding the Line Leak Detection applicationin place at Hess Station 08501 - Milltown DE (drawing attached) as well as several thousandlocations worldwide Here is some background information on this installation

Site had 3 - 10000 gallon gasoline tanks 1 - 10000 Regular (87) 1 - 10000 Plus (89) 1 - 10000 Premium (93) prior to our Dispenser Replacement Project Because of theoverwhelming demand for Regular gasoline (887 in 2009) we converted the existingPlus tank to additional Regular storageDispensers were replaced with new Blend Dispensers Tanks were not manifoldedRegular and former-Plus product lines were manifolded at each dispenserWe installed Veeder-Root PLLDs (Electronic Line Leak Detectors) on the Regular 1and Premium STPs We installed a non-vented Swift Check on Regular 2 (formerPlus) STP Because the PLLD is vented we MUST install a non-vented swift check onRegular STP 2 in order to test the system as a wholeWe have demonstrated via post-construction testing that the system will pick up a 3gph leak

The State of DE has questioned our compliance with NFPA 30A 642 Each pump shallhave installed on the discharge side a listed leak detection device that will provide an audibleor visible indication if the piping or a dispenser is leaking Each leak-detecting device shallbe checked and tested at least annually according to the manufacturers specifications toensure proper installation and operation

Can you comment on whether the system shown on the attached and described above and onour call meets the NFPA requirement or if it meets the definition of Equivalency as definedin Chapter 15 - Equivalency Thank you in advance for your consideration in this matter Please do not hesitate to contactme if there are any questions or concerns on this application ThanksJim Howard RFMPManager Maintenance amp UST ComplianceHess Corporation732-750-6220 (office)800-903-4801 (Emergency Hotline)E-mail UST Inspections to USTCompliancehesscomFax UST Inspections to 866-435-6744

This e-mail and any attachments are for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may containinformation that is confidential If you are not the intended recipient(s) and have received this e-mail in error please immediately notify the sender by return e-mail and delete this e-mail fromyour computer Any distribution disclosure or the taking of any other action by anyone other thanthe intended recipient(s) is strictly prohibited

From Benedetti BobTo Gary KostalCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiBcc May PaulSubject Inquiry NFPA 30 NFPA 30ADate Tuesday August 10 2010 43200 PM

Good afternoon Mr Kostal There are no provisions in NFPA 30 Flammable and Combustible Liquids Code togovern dispensing of motor fuels into motorized equipment and the devices youdescribe are not mentioned at all in NFPA 30 or in the only other related NFPAdocument that might apply NFPA 30A Code for Motor Fuel Dispensing Facilities andRepair Garages I cannot say that these units are either allowed or disallowed because neither NFPA30 nor NFPA 30A speaks about them The only provisions that might apply are the quantity limitations established in thesetwo codes depending on which code applies If the maintenance building is considered an industrial occupancy then Chapter 9 ofNFPA 30 establishes a maximum allowable quantity for of 120 gallons for Class Iliquids (The maximum allowable quantity is actually a threshold value Up to theMAQ compliance with NFPA 30 is not required above it NFPA 30 applies) If the maintenance building is considered a repair garage then NFPA 30A takesprecedence It also sets a 120 gallon limit on the maximum quantity of Class I liquid In both cases the quantity of fuel involved is 50 percent of the maximum allowed Myopinion is that there is no violation of either NFPA 30 or NFPA 30A Please understand that this response is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 ofNFPArsquos Regulations Governing Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon todefinitively determine compliance with any laws ordinances rules or regulations Todetermine legal compliance you should refer to the appropriate authority havingjurisdiction or seek legal advice It is not intended nor should it be relied upon toprovide professional consultation or services To determine the adequacy or safety ofany device or installation you should consult with an appropriate professional I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write Iwill be happy to assist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant toNFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does notnecessarily represent the official position of the NFPA or its Technical Committees Inaddition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it be relied upon to provideprofessional consultation or services cc 30IFI 30AIFI-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch Park

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Quincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg Important Notice This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPA RegulationsAny opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarily represent the officialposition of the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition this correspondence is neither intended norshould it be relied upon to provide professional consultation or services

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From Gary Kostal [mailtogarykbloomingdalefirecom] Sent Monday August 09 2010 328 PMTo Benedetti BobSubject Looking for assistance - portable gas caddies Membership 2329840 Gary KostalFire Prevention DirectorBloomingdale Fire District Question (Non-formal opinion) I have a country club where they service a very large number of lawn maintenance equipment on a dailybasis They are utilizing a portable gas container (gas caddy) that holds approximately 30 gallons ofgasoline The unit is equipped with a hand style pump which is located on the top of the tank Fuel isdispensed from this tank as you crank the pump There are no nozzles located on the hose These gascaddies are being used inside their maintenance building which is fully fire sprinkled They are presentlyusing two of these devices inside the same building which is basically one days use

My question is are these devices allowed for this type of dispensing Are they required to be equippedwith a self closing nozzle What NFPA sections would apply to this particular type of device Thank you for your assistance in this matter

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From Benedetti BobTo SheldonSchallWisconsingovCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Wednesday September 30 2009 45929 PM

Good afternoon Sheldon I will here provide more detailed answers to your questions as posed in the email you sent to me today Section 30A-4323 limits tank storage capacity for Class I and II No limit for Class IIIA or IIIB

You are correct The intent of 4323 is to limit the capacities only of those tanks that storeClass I and II liquids Recall that when NFPA 30A initially allowed aboveground storage tanks atvehicle fueling sites biofuels were not in the picture just gasoline (Class I) and diesel fuel (ClassII) The Technical Committee at the time did not conceive that there would be the need to storeClass III fuels because there werenrsquot any The bottom line NFPA 30A does not limit the capacityof an aboveground storage tank that holds a motor fuel that is a Class III liquid

Section 30A-4324 refers to setbacks in Table 4324 No indication that these setbacks are specific toor exclude any class of flammable or combustible so it appears that the setbacks apply to Class I -Class IIIB liquids This table appears to conflict with the previous section for Class IIIA amp IIIB liquids

This is again correct that the separation distances in Table 4324 are not specific to anyparticular Class of liquid There is no conflict however 4323 deals with tank capacities 4324 deals with separation distances for the tanks Since 4324 does not specify anyparticular liquid class(es) it applies to ALL liquid classes

Section 30A-4325 allows an increased capacity for Class II and III liquids at fleet facilities Thisappears to conflict with section 4323 for Class III liquids which didnt have a capacity limit to startwith

Here there is a conflict or at least a serious inconsistency This provision was added one or twoeditions after 4323 and it appears that biofuels are beginning to be recognized It also appearsthat the intent here was to allow a relaxation of one limit in favor of a more liberal one Theproblem is the original limit doesnrsquot exist making it arguable that the application of 4325 toClass III liquids is meaningless Given the obvious intent here for some limit on Class III liquidfuels 4323 should be amended to include Class IIIs

Section 30A-4327 addresses dispensing from an aboveground tank for Class I and II liquids based uponspecific conditions

Paragraph 4322 is a hold-over dating back to when service stations were covered in Chapter 7of the old versions of NFPA 30 This set of requirements should also be amended to include ClassIIIs

Section 30A-4328 refers to NFPA 30-2171 for spill and overfill This section only applies to class Iand II liquids

While it is true that Subsection 2171 of NFPA 30 only applies to Classes I and II I do not believeit is a conflict for NFPA 30A to also apply it to Class III as well if the Technical Committee it isappropriate to do so However the language needs to be improved or an Annex item should beadded to explain the extrapolation and the reason for it

I will add this to the next meetingrsquos agenda for the Technical Committee on Automotive and MarineService Stations As usual the following applies Please understand that this response to your inquiry is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 of NFPArsquos RegulationsGoverning Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitively determine compliance with anylaws ordinances rules or regulations To determine the adequacy or safety of any device or installationyou should consult with an appropriate professional To determine legal compliance you should refer tothe appropriate authority having jurisdiction or seek legal advice

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I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will be happy toassist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarily represent the official positionof the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it berelied upon to provide professional consultation or services cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

Fire Prevention Week is October 4 ndash 10 2009 Visit wwwfirepreventionweekorg or call 800-344-3555 for moreinformation NFPA Seminars - Apply the codes with confidenceRegister at wwwnfpalearnorg NFPA Membership keeps you up-to-dateVisit wwwnfpaorgjoin for more information Or call 800-344-3555Notice The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for theexclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential andor privileged information If you are not the intendedrecipient please notify Robert Benedetti immediately by replying to the message or by calling (617) 984-7433 Please deletethis message and any attachments from your system Thank you Considering the variables in the sections referenced above are the setbacks in Table 4324 intended toapply to Class IIIA andor Class IIIB liquids for public fueling

From Schall Sheldon - COMMERCE [mailtoSheldonSchallWisconsingov] Sent Wednesday September 30 2009 832 AMTo Benedetti BobSubject NFPA 30A-4324 inquiry - URGENT Section 30A-4323 limits tank storage capacity for Class I and II No limit for Class IIIA or IIIB trueSection 30A-4324 refers to setbacks in Table 4324 No indication that these setbacks are specific toor exclude any class of flammable or combustible so it appears that the setbacks apply to Class I -Class IIIB liquids This table appears to conflict with the previous section for Class IIIA amp IIIB liquids Also trueSection 30A-4325 allows an increased capacity for Class II and III liquids at fleet facilities Thisappears to conflict with section 4323 for Class III liquids which didnt have a capacity limit to startwith Either one or the other needs to changeSection 30A-4327 addresses dispensing from an aboveground tank for Class I and II liquids based uponspecific conditions Need to cover IIIBSection 30A-4328 refers to NFPA 30-2171 for spill and overfill This section only applies to class Iand II liquids Class IIIs need to be specifically addressed Considering the variables in the sections referenced above are the setbacks in Table 4324 intended toapply to Class IIIA andor Class IIIB liquids for public fueling

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From Benedetti BobTo Bill HickmanCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Monday December 14 2009 50332 PM

Good afternoon Mr Hickman To answer your question the separation distances in Table 4324 of NFPA 30A Code for MotorFuel Dispensing Facilities and Repair Garages are intended to apply to outside abovegroundstorage tanks for fuel where such is allowed The tanks inside a service station building majorrepair garage or minor repair garage would likely be handling Class IIIB liquids (flash point gt200 degF) only in accordance with Subsection 4392 of NFPA 30A Subsection 4392 does not set any specific requirements for separation between tanks inside abuilding although it does refer back to Chapters 21 through 23 of NFPA 30 Flammable andCombustible Liquids Code Shell-to-shell spacing distances for aboveground tanks areestablished in Table 22421 Table 22421 is intended for much large tanks than one wouldfind in a repair garage or ldquolube-onlyrdquo facility For example the minimum separation for tanksstoring Class IIIB liquids is 3 feet as set forth in 224212 But again the separationdistances in Chapter 22 of NFPA 30 are intended for tank farm application not for the muchsmaller tanks found in the type of occupancy governed by NFPA 30A Also any facility meeting the requirements of NFPA 30A is considered to be in compliance withNFPA 30 Please understand that this response to your inquiry is a personal opinion and does notconstitute a Formal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 ofNFPArsquos Regulations Governing Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitivelydetermine compliance with any laws ordinances rules or regulations To determine theadequacy or safety of any device or installation you should consult with an appropriateprofessional To determine legal compliance you should refer to the appropriate authorityhaving jurisdiction or seek legal advice I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will behappy to assist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPARegulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarilyrepresent the official position of the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition thiscorrespondence is neither intended nor should it be relied upon to provide professional consultation orservices cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg If you have a reported fire in your home the risk of dyingdecreases by about 80 percent when sprinklers are present

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From Bill Hickman [mailtoBillHickmanstatecous] Sent Tuesday December 01 2009 939 AMTo Benedetti BobSubject Inquiry NFPA 30A - Storage of Liquids Inside Buildings Mr Benedetti Id appreciate your interpretation on an item regarding aboveground tanks storing lubricants (newused oil) inside abuilding at a repair garage NFPA 30A 439 does not include specific spacing requirements for tanks inside buildings Where there are multiple tanks being stored inside the building is there no minimum separation distance requirementthat must be met or do the requirements of Table 4324 apply Thank you in advance for your assistance __________________________________ Bill HickmanInspectorTechnical SpecialistCO Division of Oil amp Public Safety303-378-5090

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From Benedetti BobTo Peznowski EdwardCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Thursday September 03 2009 30455 PM

Hi Ed The 1996 edition of the Flammable and Combustible Liquids Code Handbook was the last one prior to thecurrent 2008 edition The commentary hasnrsquot changed My recollection of the development of this text is that the intent of NFPA 30A Code for Motor FuelDispensing Facilities and Repair Garages is to isolate the motor fuel dispensing area and its attendanthazard completely from the rest of the structure regardless of what else might be in the structure Subsection 524 assumes that the installation involves a motor fuel dispensing operation inside abuilding where you would not expect to have same such as an office building A bus repair facility wouldbe probably classed as a major repair garage and would be expected to have fueling operations Thehazard of this is in my opinion no greater than the repair operations It could be that the language in Subsection 524 needs to be clarified so that it applies only to situationssuch as I first described Please understand that this response to your inquiry is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 of NFPArsquos RegulationsGoverning Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitively determine compliance with anylaws ordinances rules or regulations To determine the adequacy or safety of any device or installationyou should consult with an appropriate professional To determine legal compliance you should refer tothe appropriate authority having jurisdiction or seek legal advice I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will be happy toassist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarily represent the official positionof the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it berelied upon to provide professional consultation or services cc 30AIFI 30AFAQ AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

Fire Prevention Week is October 4 ndash 10 2009 Visit wwwfirepreventionweekorg or call 800-344-3555 for moreinformation NFPA Seminars - Apply the codes with confidenceRegister at wwwnfpalearnorg NFPA Membership keeps you up-to-dateVisit wwwnfpaorgjoin for more information Or call 800-344-3555Notice The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for the

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exclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential andor privileged information If you are not the intendedrecipient please notify Robert Benedetti immediately by replying to the message or by calling (617) 984-7433 Please deletethis message and any attachments from your system Thank you

From Peznowski Edward [mailtoEdwardPeznowskipostatectus] Sent Monday August 31 2009 127 PMTo Benedetti BobSubject NFPA 30A Hi Bob Sorry to bother you but I need your help and interpretation of the following section of NFPA 30A 2000edition 524 - All piping inside buildings but outside the motor fuel dispensing area shall be enclosed within ahorizontal chase or a vertical shaft used only for this piping Vertical shafts and horizontal chases shall beconstructed of materials having a fire resistance rating of not less than 2 hours Bob I have a bus repair facility being built and we have fuel dispensing area within the building enclosedwith a 2hr fire resistive separation My question is I have diesel fuel piping coming from two tanks locatedoutside of the building the piping runs outside of the dispensing area does this piping need to be enclosed Ihave the proper UL listed system for through wall penetrations My problem lies here I have natural gas heating fuel oil lines for boilers and diesel fuel line for thegenerator all running through the area outside the 2 hour rated dispensing area which are not required to beenclosed My thought is within the 2 hour fire resistive construction I have storage rooms for grease and oil a office forfuel dispensing Any fuel piping running through these areas would be enclosed but once I go outside my 2hrrated enclosure the piping would not have to be enclosed NFPA 30A (1996edition)6-42 - All fuel and flammable vapor piping inside buildings but outside the service station area shall beenclosed within a horizontal chase or a vertical shaft used only for this piping Vertical shafts and horizontalchases shall be constructed of materials having a fire resistance rating of not less than 2 hoursCOMMENTARY 6-42 The intent of this requirement is to preserve the isolation of the service stationoperation from the rest of the building I donrsquot have the 2000 handbook for commentary Thanks Bob Edward J PeznowskiFire amp Life Safety SpecialistBureau of EngineeringOffice State Fire Marshal860-685-8350

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From Benedetti BobTo Hamilton James P (HOY)Cc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiSubject Inquiry NFPA 30A-2008Date Monday September 14 2009 115041 AM

Good morning Mr Hamilton The intent of this particular provision of Subsection 672 of NFPA 30A Code for Motor Fuel DispensingFacilities and Repair Garages is to ensure that the patron has access to a second disconnect if he or shecannot reach the primary disconnect ie the one that is between 20 and 100 feet from the dispenser In my opinion all of the emergency disconnects required by Section 67 must be at least 20 ft but normore than 100 ft from the nearest dispenser Please understand that this response to your inquiry is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 of NFPArsquos RegulationsGoverning Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitively determine compliance with anylaws ordinances rules or regulations To determine the adequacy or safety of any device or installationyou should consult with an appropriate professional To determine legal compliance you should refer tothe appropriate authority having jurisdiction or seek legal advice I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will be happy toassist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarily represent the official positionof the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it berelied upon to provide professional consultation or services cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

Fire Prevention Week is October 4 ndash 10 2009 Visit wwwfirepreventionweekorg or call 800-344-3555 for moreinformation NFPA Seminars - Apply the codes with confidenceRegister at wwwnfpalearnorg NFPA Membership keeps you up-to-dateVisit wwwnfpaorgjoin for more information Or call 800-344-3555Notice The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for theexclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential andor privileged information If you are not the intendedrecipient please notify Robert Benedetti immediately by replying to the message or by calling (617) 984-7433 Please deletethis message and any attachments from your system Thank you

From Hamilton James P (HOY) [mailtoHAMILTONJPbechteljacobsorg] Sent Thursday September 10 2009 1224 PMTo Benedetti BobSubject NFPA 30A 2008 Edition

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Importance High

NFPA 30A 672 states at least one additional device or disconnect shall be readily accessible toeach group of dispensing devices on an individual island Our installation does not have islands Should the second emergency shutoff be installed close to the pumps or between 20 and 100 ofthe pumps

Please respond back via email hamiltonjpbechteljacobsorg

Thanks

NFPA 127130 James P Hamilton CFPSTetraTek Inc - Fire Safety TechnologiesFire Protection LeadK-27 Pre-Demo Project 790 Emory Valley Rd 811 Oak Ridge TN 37830 ETTP Office 865-241-1902

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From Benedetti BobTo Scott DavonskiCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Tuesday August 04 2009 92429 AM

Good morning Mr Davonski My opinion is that the intent of the requirement in Subsection 1141 of NFPA 30A Code for Motor FuelDispensing Facilities and Repair Garages is that any hose longer than 18 feet should not simply bestrung along the dockrsquos surface Using a reel would be one means of securing the hose although Irsquomsure other methods such as hangers would work as well Please understand that this response to your inquiry is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 of NFPArsquos RegulationsGoverning Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitively determine compliance with anylaws ordinances rules or regulations To determine the adequacy or safety of any device or installationyou should consult with an appropriate professional To determine legal compliance you should refer tothe appropriate authority having jurisdiction or seek legal advice I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will be happy toassist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarily represent the official positionof the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it berelied upon to provide professional consultation or services cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

Fire Prevention Week is October 4 ndash 10 2009 Visit wwwfirepreventionweekorg or call 800-344-3555 for moreinformation NFPA Seminars - Apply the codes with confidenceRegister at wwwnfpalearnorg NFPA Membership keeps you up-to-dateVisit wwwnfpaorgjoin for more information Or call 800-344-3555Notice The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for theexclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential andor privileged information If you are not the intendedrecipient please notify Robert Benedetti immediately by replying to the message or by calling (617) 984-7433 Please deletethis message and any attachments from your system Thank you

From Scott Davonski [mailtodavonskiRiverheadlicom] Sent Wednesday July 22 2009 1118 AMTo Benedetti BobSubject 30A clarification

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1141 All hose shall be listed Where hose length exceeds 55 m (18 ft) the hose shall besecured so as to protect it from damage Can you provide clarification as to what is meant by ldquosecured so as to protect it fromdamagerdquo Is the standard looking not to have the hoses on the dock In a reel Any clarificationinformation would be appreciated Scott W DavonskiChief Fire MarshalTown of RiverheadP- 631-727-3200 ext 209F- 631-727-3370

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Page 43: TECHNICAL COMMITTEE ON AUTOMOTIVE and MARINE … · SUBJECT: Agenda for ROC Meeting – October 4, 2010 _____ Ladies and Gentlemen: Attached is the Agenda for the NFPA 30A Report

Can you comment on whether the system shown on the attached and described above and onour call meets the NFPA requirement or if it meets the definition of Equivalency as definedin Chapter 15 - Equivalency Thank you in advance for your consideration in this matter Please do not hesitate to contactme if there are any questions or concerns on this application ThanksJim Howard RFMPManager Maintenance amp UST ComplianceHess Corporation732-750-6220 (office)800-903-4801 (Emergency Hotline)E-mail UST Inspections to USTCompliancehesscomFax UST Inspections to 866-435-6744

This e-mail and any attachments are for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may containinformation that is confidential If you are not the intended recipient(s) and have received this e-mail in error please immediately notify the sender by return e-mail and delete this e-mail fromyour computer Any distribution disclosure or the taking of any other action by anyone other thanthe intended recipient(s) is strictly prohibited

From Benedetti BobTo Gary KostalCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiBcc May PaulSubject Inquiry NFPA 30 NFPA 30ADate Tuesday August 10 2010 43200 PM

Good afternoon Mr Kostal There are no provisions in NFPA 30 Flammable and Combustible Liquids Code togovern dispensing of motor fuels into motorized equipment and the devices youdescribe are not mentioned at all in NFPA 30 or in the only other related NFPAdocument that might apply NFPA 30A Code for Motor Fuel Dispensing Facilities andRepair Garages I cannot say that these units are either allowed or disallowed because neither NFPA30 nor NFPA 30A speaks about them The only provisions that might apply are the quantity limitations established in thesetwo codes depending on which code applies If the maintenance building is considered an industrial occupancy then Chapter 9 ofNFPA 30 establishes a maximum allowable quantity for of 120 gallons for Class Iliquids (The maximum allowable quantity is actually a threshold value Up to theMAQ compliance with NFPA 30 is not required above it NFPA 30 applies) If the maintenance building is considered a repair garage then NFPA 30A takesprecedence It also sets a 120 gallon limit on the maximum quantity of Class I liquid In both cases the quantity of fuel involved is 50 percent of the maximum allowed Myopinion is that there is no violation of either NFPA 30 or NFPA 30A Please understand that this response is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 ofNFPArsquos Regulations Governing Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon todefinitively determine compliance with any laws ordinances rules or regulations Todetermine legal compliance you should refer to the appropriate authority havingjurisdiction or seek legal advice It is not intended nor should it be relied upon toprovide professional consultation or services To determine the adequacy or safety ofany device or installation you should consult with an appropriate professional I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write Iwill be happy to assist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant toNFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does notnecessarily represent the official position of the NFPA or its Technical Committees Inaddition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it be relied upon to provideprofessional consultation or services cc 30IFI 30AIFI-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch Park

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Quincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg Important Notice This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPA RegulationsAny opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarily represent the officialposition of the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition this correspondence is neither intended norshould it be relied upon to provide professional consultation or services

Visit wwwfirepreventionweekorg or call 800-344-3555 for more information Check out FPW on social mediahellipwwwtwittercomfpw2010wwwfacebookcomfirepreventionweekhttpnfpatypepadcomfpw Check out NFPA onhellip

Notice The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intendedfor the exclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential andor privileged information If you arenot the intended recipient please notify Robert Benedetti immediately by replying to the message or by calling(617) 984-7433 Please delete this message and any attachments from your system Thank you

From Gary Kostal [mailtogarykbloomingdalefirecom] Sent Monday August 09 2010 328 PMTo Benedetti BobSubject Looking for assistance - portable gas caddies Membership 2329840 Gary KostalFire Prevention DirectorBloomingdale Fire District Question (Non-formal opinion) I have a country club where they service a very large number of lawn maintenance equipment on a dailybasis They are utilizing a portable gas container (gas caddy) that holds approximately 30 gallons ofgasoline The unit is equipped with a hand style pump which is located on the top of the tank Fuel isdispensed from this tank as you crank the pump There are no nozzles located on the hose These gascaddies are being used inside their maintenance building which is fully fire sprinkled They are presentlyusing two of these devices inside the same building which is basically one days use

My question is are these devices allowed for this type of dispensing Are they required to be equippedwith a self closing nozzle What NFPA sections would apply to this particular type of device Thank you for your assistance in this matter

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From Benedetti BobTo SheldonSchallWisconsingovCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Wednesday September 30 2009 45929 PM

Good afternoon Sheldon I will here provide more detailed answers to your questions as posed in the email you sent to me today Section 30A-4323 limits tank storage capacity for Class I and II No limit for Class IIIA or IIIB

You are correct The intent of 4323 is to limit the capacities only of those tanks that storeClass I and II liquids Recall that when NFPA 30A initially allowed aboveground storage tanks atvehicle fueling sites biofuels were not in the picture just gasoline (Class I) and diesel fuel (ClassII) The Technical Committee at the time did not conceive that there would be the need to storeClass III fuels because there werenrsquot any The bottom line NFPA 30A does not limit the capacityof an aboveground storage tank that holds a motor fuel that is a Class III liquid

Section 30A-4324 refers to setbacks in Table 4324 No indication that these setbacks are specific toor exclude any class of flammable or combustible so it appears that the setbacks apply to Class I -Class IIIB liquids This table appears to conflict with the previous section for Class IIIA amp IIIB liquids

This is again correct that the separation distances in Table 4324 are not specific to anyparticular Class of liquid There is no conflict however 4323 deals with tank capacities 4324 deals with separation distances for the tanks Since 4324 does not specify anyparticular liquid class(es) it applies to ALL liquid classes

Section 30A-4325 allows an increased capacity for Class II and III liquids at fleet facilities Thisappears to conflict with section 4323 for Class III liquids which didnt have a capacity limit to startwith

Here there is a conflict or at least a serious inconsistency This provision was added one or twoeditions after 4323 and it appears that biofuels are beginning to be recognized It also appearsthat the intent here was to allow a relaxation of one limit in favor of a more liberal one Theproblem is the original limit doesnrsquot exist making it arguable that the application of 4325 toClass III liquids is meaningless Given the obvious intent here for some limit on Class III liquidfuels 4323 should be amended to include Class IIIs

Section 30A-4327 addresses dispensing from an aboveground tank for Class I and II liquids based uponspecific conditions

Paragraph 4322 is a hold-over dating back to when service stations were covered in Chapter 7of the old versions of NFPA 30 This set of requirements should also be amended to include ClassIIIs

Section 30A-4328 refers to NFPA 30-2171 for spill and overfill This section only applies to class Iand II liquids

While it is true that Subsection 2171 of NFPA 30 only applies to Classes I and II I do not believeit is a conflict for NFPA 30A to also apply it to Class III as well if the Technical Committee it isappropriate to do so However the language needs to be improved or an Annex item should beadded to explain the extrapolation and the reason for it

I will add this to the next meetingrsquos agenda for the Technical Committee on Automotive and MarineService Stations As usual the following applies Please understand that this response to your inquiry is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 of NFPArsquos RegulationsGoverning Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitively determine compliance with anylaws ordinances rules or regulations To determine the adequacy or safety of any device or installationyou should consult with an appropriate professional To determine legal compliance you should refer tothe appropriate authority having jurisdiction or seek legal advice

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I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will be happy toassist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarily represent the official positionof the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it berelied upon to provide professional consultation or services cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

Fire Prevention Week is October 4 ndash 10 2009 Visit wwwfirepreventionweekorg or call 800-344-3555 for moreinformation NFPA Seminars - Apply the codes with confidenceRegister at wwwnfpalearnorg NFPA Membership keeps you up-to-dateVisit wwwnfpaorgjoin for more information Or call 800-344-3555Notice The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for theexclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential andor privileged information If you are not the intendedrecipient please notify Robert Benedetti immediately by replying to the message or by calling (617) 984-7433 Please deletethis message and any attachments from your system Thank you Considering the variables in the sections referenced above are the setbacks in Table 4324 intended toapply to Class IIIA andor Class IIIB liquids for public fueling

From Schall Sheldon - COMMERCE [mailtoSheldonSchallWisconsingov] Sent Wednesday September 30 2009 832 AMTo Benedetti BobSubject NFPA 30A-4324 inquiry - URGENT Section 30A-4323 limits tank storage capacity for Class I and II No limit for Class IIIA or IIIB trueSection 30A-4324 refers to setbacks in Table 4324 No indication that these setbacks are specific toor exclude any class of flammable or combustible so it appears that the setbacks apply to Class I -Class IIIB liquids This table appears to conflict with the previous section for Class IIIA amp IIIB liquids Also trueSection 30A-4325 allows an increased capacity for Class II and III liquids at fleet facilities Thisappears to conflict with section 4323 for Class III liquids which didnt have a capacity limit to startwith Either one or the other needs to changeSection 30A-4327 addresses dispensing from an aboveground tank for Class I and II liquids based uponspecific conditions Need to cover IIIBSection 30A-4328 refers to NFPA 30-2171 for spill and overfill This section only applies to class Iand II liquids Class IIIs need to be specifically addressed Considering the variables in the sections referenced above are the setbacks in Table 4324 intended toapply to Class IIIA andor Class IIIB liquids for public fueling

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From Benedetti BobTo Bill HickmanCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Monday December 14 2009 50332 PM

Good afternoon Mr Hickman To answer your question the separation distances in Table 4324 of NFPA 30A Code for MotorFuel Dispensing Facilities and Repair Garages are intended to apply to outside abovegroundstorage tanks for fuel where such is allowed The tanks inside a service station building majorrepair garage or minor repair garage would likely be handling Class IIIB liquids (flash point gt200 degF) only in accordance with Subsection 4392 of NFPA 30A Subsection 4392 does not set any specific requirements for separation between tanks inside abuilding although it does refer back to Chapters 21 through 23 of NFPA 30 Flammable andCombustible Liquids Code Shell-to-shell spacing distances for aboveground tanks areestablished in Table 22421 Table 22421 is intended for much large tanks than one wouldfind in a repair garage or ldquolube-onlyrdquo facility For example the minimum separation for tanksstoring Class IIIB liquids is 3 feet as set forth in 224212 But again the separationdistances in Chapter 22 of NFPA 30 are intended for tank farm application not for the muchsmaller tanks found in the type of occupancy governed by NFPA 30A Also any facility meeting the requirements of NFPA 30A is considered to be in compliance withNFPA 30 Please understand that this response to your inquiry is a personal opinion and does notconstitute a Formal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 ofNFPArsquos Regulations Governing Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitivelydetermine compliance with any laws ordinances rules or regulations To determine theadequacy or safety of any device or installation you should consult with an appropriateprofessional To determine legal compliance you should refer to the appropriate authorityhaving jurisdiction or seek legal advice I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will behappy to assist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPARegulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarilyrepresent the official position of the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition thiscorrespondence is neither intended nor should it be relied upon to provide professional consultation orservices cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg If you have a reported fire in your home the risk of dyingdecreases by about 80 percent when sprinklers are present

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wwwfiresprinklerinitiativeorgNotice The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for theexclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential andor privileged information If you are not the intendedrecipient please notify Robert Benedetti immediately by replying to the message or by calling (617) 984-7433 Please deletethis message and any attachments from your system Thank you

From Bill Hickman [mailtoBillHickmanstatecous] Sent Tuesday December 01 2009 939 AMTo Benedetti BobSubject Inquiry NFPA 30A - Storage of Liquids Inside Buildings Mr Benedetti Id appreciate your interpretation on an item regarding aboveground tanks storing lubricants (newused oil) inside abuilding at a repair garage NFPA 30A 439 does not include specific spacing requirements for tanks inside buildings Where there are multiple tanks being stored inside the building is there no minimum separation distance requirementthat must be met or do the requirements of Table 4324 apply Thank you in advance for your assistance __________________________________ Bill HickmanInspectorTechnical SpecialistCO Division of Oil amp Public Safety303-378-5090

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From Benedetti BobTo Peznowski EdwardCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Thursday September 03 2009 30455 PM

Hi Ed The 1996 edition of the Flammable and Combustible Liquids Code Handbook was the last one prior to thecurrent 2008 edition The commentary hasnrsquot changed My recollection of the development of this text is that the intent of NFPA 30A Code for Motor FuelDispensing Facilities and Repair Garages is to isolate the motor fuel dispensing area and its attendanthazard completely from the rest of the structure regardless of what else might be in the structure Subsection 524 assumes that the installation involves a motor fuel dispensing operation inside abuilding where you would not expect to have same such as an office building A bus repair facility wouldbe probably classed as a major repair garage and would be expected to have fueling operations Thehazard of this is in my opinion no greater than the repair operations It could be that the language in Subsection 524 needs to be clarified so that it applies only to situationssuch as I first described Please understand that this response to your inquiry is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 of NFPArsquos RegulationsGoverning Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitively determine compliance with anylaws ordinances rules or regulations To determine the adequacy or safety of any device or installationyou should consult with an appropriate professional To determine legal compliance you should refer tothe appropriate authority having jurisdiction or seek legal advice I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will be happy toassist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarily represent the official positionof the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it berelied upon to provide professional consultation or services cc 30AIFI 30AFAQ AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

Fire Prevention Week is October 4 ndash 10 2009 Visit wwwfirepreventionweekorg or call 800-344-3555 for moreinformation NFPA Seminars - Apply the codes with confidenceRegister at wwwnfpalearnorg NFPA Membership keeps you up-to-dateVisit wwwnfpaorgjoin for more information Or call 800-344-3555Notice The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for the

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exclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential andor privileged information If you are not the intendedrecipient please notify Robert Benedetti immediately by replying to the message or by calling (617) 984-7433 Please deletethis message and any attachments from your system Thank you

From Peznowski Edward [mailtoEdwardPeznowskipostatectus] Sent Monday August 31 2009 127 PMTo Benedetti BobSubject NFPA 30A Hi Bob Sorry to bother you but I need your help and interpretation of the following section of NFPA 30A 2000edition 524 - All piping inside buildings but outside the motor fuel dispensing area shall be enclosed within ahorizontal chase or a vertical shaft used only for this piping Vertical shafts and horizontal chases shall beconstructed of materials having a fire resistance rating of not less than 2 hours Bob I have a bus repair facility being built and we have fuel dispensing area within the building enclosedwith a 2hr fire resistive separation My question is I have diesel fuel piping coming from two tanks locatedoutside of the building the piping runs outside of the dispensing area does this piping need to be enclosed Ihave the proper UL listed system for through wall penetrations My problem lies here I have natural gas heating fuel oil lines for boilers and diesel fuel line for thegenerator all running through the area outside the 2 hour rated dispensing area which are not required to beenclosed My thought is within the 2 hour fire resistive construction I have storage rooms for grease and oil a office forfuel dispensing Any fuel piping running through these areas would be enclosed but once I go outside my 2hrrated enclosure the piping would not have to be enclosed NFPA 30A (1996edition)6-42 - All fuel and flammable vapor piping inside buildings but outside the service station area shall beenclosed within a horizontal chase or a vertical shaft used only for this piping Vertical shafts and horizontalchases shall be constructed of materials having a fire resistance rating of not less than 2 hoursCOMMENTARY 6-42 The intent of this requirement is to preserve the isolation of the service stationoperation from the rest of the building I donrsquot have the 2000 handbook for commentary Thanks Bob Edward J PeznowskiFire amp Life Safety SpecialistBureau of EngineeringOffice State Fire Marshal860-685-8350

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From Benedetti BobTo Hamilton James P (HOY)Cc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiSubject Inquiry NFPA 30A-2008Date Monday September 14 2009 115041 AM

Good morning Mr Hamilton The intent of this particular provision of Subsection 672 of NFPA 30A Code for Motor Fuel DispensingFacilities and Repair Garages is to ensure that the patron has access to a second disconnect if he or shecannot reach the primary disconnect ie the one that is between 20 and 100 feet from the dispenser In my opinion all of the emergency disconnects required by Section 67 must be at least 20 ft but normore than 100 ft from the nearest dispenser Please understand that this response to your inquiry is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 of NFPArsquos RegulationsGoverning Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitively determine compliance with anylaws ordinances rules or regulations To determine the adequacy or safety of any device or installationyou should consult with an appropriate professional To determine legal compliance you should refer tothe appropriate authority having jurisdiction or seek legal advice I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will be happy toassist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarily represent the official positionof the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it berelied upon to provide professional consultation or services cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

Fire Prevention Week is October 4 ndash 10 2009 Visit wwwfirepreventionweekorg or call 800-344-3555 for moreinformation NFPA Seminars - Apply the codes with confidenceRegister at wwwnfpalearnorg NFPA Membership keeps you up-to-dateVisit wwwnfpaorgjoin for more information Or call 800-344-3555Notice The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for theexclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential andor privileged information If you are not the intendedrecipient please notify Robert Benedetti immediately by replying to the message or by calling (617) 984-7433 Please deletethis message and any attachments from your system Thank you

From Hamilton James P (HOY) [mailtoHAMILTONJPbechteljacobsorg] Sent Thursday September 10 2009 1224 PMTo Benedetti BobSubject NFPA 30A 2008 Edition

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Importance High

NFPA 30A 672 states at least one additional device or disconnect shall be readily accessible toeach group of dispensing devices on an individual island Our installation does not have islands Should the second emergency shutoff be installed close to the pumps or between 20 and 100 ofthe pumps

Please respond back via email hamiltonjpbechteljacobsorg

Thanks

NFPA 127130 James P Hamilton CFPSTetraTek Inc - Fire Safety TechnologiesFire Protection LeadK-27 Pre-Demo Project 790 Emory Valley Rd 811 Oak Ridge TN 37830 ETTP Office 865-241-1902

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From Benedetti BobTo Scott DavonskiCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Tuesday August 04 2009 92429 AM

Good morning Mr Davonski My opinion is that the intent of the requirement in Subsection 1141 of NFPA 30A Code for Motor FuelDispensing Facilities and Repair Garages is that any hose longer than 18 feet should not simply bestrung along the dockrsquos surface Using a reel would be one means of securing the hose although Irsquomsure other methods such as hangers would work as well Please understand that this response to your inquiry is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 of NFPArsquos RegulationsGoverning Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitively determine compliance with anylaws ordinances rules or regulations To determine the adequacy or safety of any device or installationyou should consult with an appropriate professional To determine legal compliance you should refer tothe appropriate authority having jurisdiction or seek legal advice I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will be happy toassist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarily represent the official positionof the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it berelied upon to provide professional consultation or services cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

Fire Prevention Week is October 4 ndash 10 2009 Visit wwwfirepreventionweekorg or call 800-344-3555 for moreinformation NFPA Seminars - Apply the codes with confidenceRegister at wwwnfpalearnorg NFPA Membership keeps you up-to-dateVisit wwwnfpaorgjoin for more information Or call 800-344-3555Notice The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for theexclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential andor privileged information If you are not the intendedrecipient please notify Robert Benedetti immediately by replying to the message or by calling (617) 984-7433 Please deletethis message and any attachments from your system Thank you

From Scott Davonski [mailtodavonskiRiverheadlicom] Sent Wednesday July 22 2009 1118 AMTo Benedetti BobSubject 30A clarification

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1141 All hose shall be listed Where hose length exceeds 55 m (18 ft) the hose shall besecured so as to protect it from damage Can you provide clarification as to what is meant by ldquosecured so as to protect it fromdamagerdquo Is the standard looking not to have the hoses on the dock In a reel Any clarificationinformation would be appreciated Scott W DavonskiChief Fire MarshalTown of RiverheadP- 631-727-3200 ext 209F- 631-727-3370

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Page 44: TECHNICAL COMMITTEE ON AUTOMOTIVE and MARINE … · SUBJECT: Agenda for ROC Meeting – October 4, 2010 _____ Ladies and Gentlemen: Attached is the Agenda for the NFPA 30A Report

From Benedetti BobTo Gary KostalCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiBcc May PaulSubject Inquiry NFPA 30 NFPA 30ADate Tuesday August 10 2010 43200 PM

Good afternoon Mr Kostal There are no provisions in NFPA 30 Flammable and Combustible Liquids Code togovern dispensing of motor fuels into motorized equipment and the devices youdescribe are not mentioned at all in NFPA 30 or in the only other related NFPAdocument that might apply NFPA 30A Code for Motor Fuel Dispensing Facilities andRepair Garages I cannot say that these units are either allowed or disallowed because neither NFPA30 nor NFPA 30A speaks about them The only provisions that might apply are the quantity limitations established in thesetwo codes depending on which code applies If the maintenance building is considered an industrial occupancy then Chapter 9 ofNFPA 30 establishes a maximum allowable quantity for of 120 gallons for Class Iliquids (The maximum allowable quantity is actually a threshold value Up to theMAQ compliance with NFPA 30 is not required above it NFPA 30 applies) If the maintenance building is considered a repair garage then NFPA 30A takesprecedence It also sets a 120 gallon limit on the maximum quantity of Class I liquid In both cases the quantity of fuel involved is 50 percent of the maximum allowed Myopinion is that there is no violation of either NFPA 30 or NFPA 30A Please understand that this response is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 ofNFPArsquos Regulations Governing Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon todefinitively determine compliance with any laws ordinances rules or regulations Todetermine legal compliance you should refer to the appropriate authority havingjurisdiction or seek legal advice It is not intended nor should it be relied upon toprovide professional consultation or services To determine the adequacy or safety ofany device or installation you should consult with an appropriate professional I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write Iwill be happy to assist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant toNFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does notnecessarily represent the official position of the NFPA or its Technical Committees Inaddition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it be relied upon to provideprofessional consultation or services cc 30IFI 30AIFI-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch Park

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Quincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg Important Notice This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPA RegulationsAny opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarily represent the officialposition of the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition this correspondence is neither intended norshould it be relied upon to provide professional consultation or services

Visit wwwfirepreventionweekorg or call 800-344-3555 for more information Check out FPW on social mediahellipwwwtwittercomfpw2010wwwfacebookcomfirepreventionweekhttpnfpatypepadcomfpw Check out NFPA onhellip

Notice The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intendedfor the exclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential andor privileged information If you arenot the intended recipient please notify Robert Benedetti immediately by replying to the message or by calling(617) 984-7433 Please delete this message and any attachments from your system Thank you

From Gary Kostal [mailtogarykbloomingdalefirecom] Sent Monday August 09 2010 328 PMTo Benedetti BobSubject Looking for assistance - portable gas caddies Membership 2329840 Gary KostalFire Prevention DirectorBloomingdale Fire District Question (Non-formal opinion) I have a country club where they service a very large number of lawn maintenance equipment on a dailybasis They are utilizing a portable gas container (gas caddy) that holds approximately 30 gallons ofgasoline The unit is equipped with a hand style pump which is located on the top of the tank Fuel isdispensed from this tank as you crank the pump There are no nozzles located on the hose These gascaddies are being used inside their maintenance building which is fully fire sprinkled They are presentlyusing two of these devices inside the same building which is basically one days use

My question is are these devices allowed for this type of dispensing Are they required to be equippedwith a self closing nozzle What NFPA sections would apply to this particular type of device Thank you for your assistance in this matter

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From Benedetti BobTo SheldonSchallWisconsingovCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Wednesday September 30 2009 45929 PM

Good afternoon Sheldon I will here provide more detailed answers to your questions as posed in the email you sent to me today Section 30A-4323 limits tank storage capacity for Class I and II No limit for Class IIIA or IIIB

You are correct The intent of 4323 is to limit the capacities only of those tanks that storeClass I and II liquids Recall that when NFPA 30A initially allowed aboveground storage tanks atvehicle fueling sites biofuels were not in the picture just gasoline (Class I) and diesel fuel (ClassII) The Technical Committee at the time did not conceive that there would be the need to storeClass III fuels because there werenrsquot any The bottom line NFPA 30A does not limit the capacityof an aboveground storage tank that holds a motor fuel that is a Class III liquid

Section 30A-4324 refers to setbacks in Table 4324 No indication that these setbacks are specific toor exclude any class of flammable or combustible so it appears that the setbacks apply to Class I -Class IIIB liquids This table appears to conflict with the previous section for Class IIIA amp IIIB liquids

This is again correct that the separation distances in Table 4324 are not specific to anyparticular Class of liquid There is no conflict however 4323 deals with tank capacities 4324 deals with separation distances for the tanks Since 4324 does not specify anyparticular liquid class(es) it applies to ALL liquid classes

Section 30A-4325 allows an increased capacity for Class II and III liquids at fleet facilities Thisappears to conflict with section 4323 for Class III liquids which didnt have a capacity limit to startwith

Here there is a conflict or at least a serious inconsistency This provision was added one or twoeditions after 4323 and it appears that biofuels are beginning to be recognized It also appearsthat the intent here was to allow a relaxation of one limit in favor of a more liberal one Theproblem is the original limit doesnrsquot exist making it arguable that the application of 4325 toClass III liquids is meaningless Given the obvious intent here for some limit on Class III liquidfuels 4323 should be amended to include Class IIIs

Section 30A-4327 addresses dispensing from an aboveground tank for Class I and II liquids based uponspecific conditions

Paragraph 4322 is a hold-over dating back to when service stations were covered in Chapter 7of the old versions of NFPA 30 This set of requirements should also be amended to include ClassIIIs

Section 30A-4328 refers to NFPA 30-2171 for spill and overfill This section only applies to class Iand II liquids

While it is true that Subsection 2171 of NFPA 30 only applies to Classes I and II I do not believeit is a conflict for NFPA 30A to also apply it to Class III as well if the Technical Committee it isappropriate to do so However the language needs to be improved or an Annex item should beadded to explain the extrapolation and the reason for it

I will add this to the next meetingrsquos agenda for the Technical Committee on Automotive and MarineService Stations As usual the following applies Please understand that this response to your inquiry is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 of NFPArsquos RegulationsGoverning Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitively determine compliance with anylaws ordinances rules or regulations To determine the adequacy or safety of any device or installationyou should consult with an appropriate professional To determine legal compliance you should refer tothe appropriate authority having jurisdiction or seek legal advice

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I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will be happy toassist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarily represent the official positionof the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it berelied upon to provide professional consultation or services cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

Fire Prevention Week is October 4 ndash 10 2009 Visit wwwfirepreventionweekorg or call 800-344-3555 for moreinformation NFPA Seminars - Apply the codes with confidenceRegister at wwwnfpalearnorg NFPA Membership keeps you up-to-dateVisit wwwnfpaorgjoin for more information Or call 800-344-3555Notice The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for theexclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential andor privileged information If you are not the intendedrecipient please notify Robert Benedetti immediately by replying to the message or by calling (617) 984-7433 Please deletethis message and any attachments from your system Thank you Considering the variables in the sections referenced above are the setbacks in Table 4324 intended toapply to Class IIIA andor Class IIIB liquids for public fueling

From Schall Sheldon - COMMERCE [mailtoSheldonSchallWisconsingov] Sent Wednesday September 30 2009 832 AMTo Benedetti BobSubject NFPA 30A-4324 inquiry - URGENT Section 30A-4323 limits tank storage capacity for Class I and II No limit for Class IIIA or IIIB trueSection 30A-4324 refers to setbacks in Table 4324 No indication that these setbacks are specific toor exclude any class of flammable or combustible so it appears that the setbacks apply to Class I -Class IIIB liquids This table appears to conflict with the previous section for Class IIIA amp IIIB liquids Also trueSection 30A-4325 allows an increased capacity for Class II and III liquids at fleet facilities Thisappears to conflict with section 4323 for Class III liquids which didnt have a capacity limit to startwith Either one or the other needs to changeSection 30A-4327 addresses dispensing from an aboveground tank for Class I and II liquids based uponspecific conditions Need to cover IIIBSection 30A-4328 refers to NFPA 30-2171 for spill and overfill This section only applies to class Iand II liquids Class IIIs need to be specifically addressed Considering the variables in the sections referenced above are the setbacks in Table 4324 intended toapply to Class IIIA andor Class IIIB liquids for public fueling

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From Benedetti BobTo Bill HickmanCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Monday December 14 2009 50332 PM

Good afternoon Mr Hickman To answer your question the separation distances in Table 4324 of NFPA 30A Code for MotorFuel Dispensing Facilities and Repair Garages are intended to apply to outside abovegroundstorage tanks for fuel where such is allowed The tanks inside a service station building majorrepair garage or minor repair garage would likely be handling Class IIIB liquids (flash point gt200 degF) only in accordance with Subsection 4392 of NFPA 30A Subsection 4392 does not set any specific requirements for separation between tanks inside abuilding although it does refer back to Chapters 21 through 23 of NFPA 30 Flammable andCombustible Liquids Code Shell-to-shell spacing distances for aboveground tanks areestablished in Table 22421 Table 22421 is intended for much large tanks than one wouldfind in a repair garage or ldquolube-onlyrdquo facility For example the minimum separation for tanksstoring Class IIIB liquids is 3 feet as set forth in 224212 But again the separationdistances in Chapter 22 of NFPA 30 are intended for tank farm application not for the muchsmaller tanks found in the type of occupancy governed by NFPA 30A Also any facility meeting the requirements of NFPA 30A is considered to be in compliance withNFPA 30 Please understand that this response to your inquiry is a personal opinion and does notconstitute a Formal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 ofNFPArsquos Regulations Governing Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitivelydetermine compliance with any laws ordinances rules or regulations To determine theadequacy or safety of any device or installation you should consult with an appropriateprofessional To determine legal compliance you should refer to the appropriate authorityhaving jurisdiction or seek legal advice I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will behappy to assist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPARegulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarilyrepresent the official position of the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition thiscorrespondence is neither intended nor should it be relied upon to provide professional consultation orservices cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg If you have a reported fire in your home the risk of dyingdecreases by about 80 percent when sprinklers are present

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wwwfiresprinklerinitiativeorgNotice The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for theexclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential andor privileged information If you are not the intendedrecipient please notify Robert Benedetti immediately by replying to the message or by calling (617) 984-7433 Please deletethis message and any attachments from your system Thank you

From Bill Hickman [mailtoBillHickmanstatecous] Sent Tuesday December 01 2009 939 AMTo Benedetti BobSubject Inquiry NFPA 30A - Storage of Liquids Inside Buildings Mr Benedetti Id appreciate your interpretation on an item regarding aboveground tanks storing lubricants (newused oil) inside abuilding at a repair garage NFPA 30A 439 does not include specific spacing requirements for tanks inside buildings Where there are multiple tanks being stored inside the building is there no minimum separation distance requirementthat must be met or do the requirements of Table 4324 apply Thank you in advance for your assistance __________________________________ Bill HickmanInspectorTechnical SpecialistCO Division of Oil amp Public Safety303-378-5090

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From Benedetti BobTo Peznowski EdwardCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Thursday September 03 2009 30455 PM

Hi Ed The 1996 edition of the Flammable and Combustible Liquids Code Handbook was the last one prior to thecurrent 2008 edition The commentary hasnrsquot changed My recollection of the development of this text is that the intent of NFPA 30A Code for Motor FuelDispensing Facilities and Repair Garages is to isolate the motor fuel dispensing area and its attendanthazard completely from the rest of the structure regardless of what else might be in the structure Subsection 524 assumes that the installation involves a motor fuel dispensing operation inside abuilding where you would not expect to have same such as an office building A bus repair facility wouldbe probably classed as a major repair garage and would be expected to have fueling operations Thehazard of this is in my opinion no greater than the repair operations It could be that the language in Subsection 524 needs to be clarified so that it applies only to situationssuch as I first described Please understand that this response to your inquiry is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 of NFPArsquos RegulationsGoverning Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitively determine compliance with anylaws ordinances rules or regulations To determine the adequacy or safety of any device or installationyou should consult with an appropriate professional To determine legal compliance you should refer tothe appropriate authority having jurisdiction or seek legal advice I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will be happy toassist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarily represent the official positionof the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it berelied upon to provide professional consultation or services cc 30AIFI 30AFAQ AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

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exclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential andor privileged information If you are not the intendedrecipient please notify Robert Benedetti immediately by replying to the message or by calling (617) 984-7433 Please deletethis message and any attachments from your system Thank you

From Peznowski Edward [mailtoEdwardPeznowskipostatectus] Sent Monday August 31 2009 127 PMTo Benedetti BobSubject NFPA 30A Hi Bob Sorry to bother you but I need your help and interpretation of the following section of NFPA 30A 2000edition 524 - All piping inside buildings but outside the motor fuel dispensing area shall be enclosed within ahorizontal chase or a vertical shaft used only for this piping Vertical shafts and horizontal chases shall beconstructed of materials having a fire resistance rating of not less than 2 hours Bob I have a bus repair facility being built and we have fuel dispensing area within the building enclosedwith a 2hr fire resistive separation My question is I have diesel fuel piping coming from two tanks locatedoutside of the building the piping runs outside of the dispensing area does this piping need to be enclosed Ihave the proper UL listed system for through wall penetrations My problem lies here I have natural gas heating fuel oil lines for boilers and diesel fuel line for thegenerator all running through the area outside the 2 hour rated dispensing area which are not required to beenclosed My thought is within the 2 hour fire resistive construction I have storage rooms for grease and oil a office forfuel dispensing Any fuel piping running through these areas would be enclosed but once I go outside my 2hrrated enclosure the piping would not have to be enclosed NFPA 30A (1996edition)6-42 - All fuel and flammable vapor piping inside buildings but outside the service station area shall beenclosed within a horizontal chase or a vertical shaft used only for this piping Vertical shafts and horizontalchases shall be constructed of materials having a fire resistance rating of not less than 2 hoursCOMMENTARY 6-42 The intent of this requirement is to preserve the isolation of the service stationoperation from the rest of the building I donrsquot have the 2000 handbook for commentary Thanks Bob Edward J PeznowskiFire amp Life Safety SpecialistBureau of EngineeringOffice State Fire Marshal860-685-8350

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From Benedetti BobTo Hamilton James P (HOY)Cc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiSubject Inquiry NFPA 30A-2008Date Monday September 14 2009 115041 AM

Good morning Mr Hamilton The intent of this particular provision of Subsection 672 of NFPA 30A Code for Motor Fuel DispensingFacilities and Repair Garages is to ensure that the patron has access to a second disconnect if he or shecannot reach the primary disconnect ie the one that is between 20 and 100 feet from the dispenser In my opinion all of the emergency disconnects required by Section 67 must be at least 20 ft but normore than 100 ft from the nearest dispenser Please understand that this response to your inquiry is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 of NFPArsquos RegulationsGoverning Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitively determine compliance with anylaws ordinances rules or regulations To determine the adequacy or safety of any device or installationyou should consult with an appropriate professional To determine legal compliance you should refer tothe appropriate authority having jurisdiction or seek legal advice I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will be happy toassist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarily represent the official positionof the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it berelied upon to provide professional consultation or services cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

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From Hamilton James P (HOY) [mailtoHAMILTONJPbechteljacobsorg] Sent Thursday September 10 2009 1224 PMTo Benedetti BobSubject NFPA 30A 2008 Edition

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Importance High

NFPA 30A 672 states at least one additional device or disconnect shall be readily accessible toeach group of dispensing devices on an individual island Our installation does not have islands Should the second emergency shutoff be installed close to the pumps or between 20 and 100 ofthe pumps

Please respond back via email hamiltonjpbechteljacobsorg

Thanks

NFPA 127130 James P Hamilton CFPSTetraTek Inc - Fire Safety TechnologiesFire Protection LeadK-27 Pre-Demo Project 790 Emory Valley Rd 811 Oak Ridge TN 37830 ETTP Office 865-241-1902

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From Benedetti BobTo Scott DavonskiCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Tuesday August 04 2009 92429 AM

Good morning Mr Davonski My opinion is that the intent of the requirement in Subsection 1141 of NFPA 30A Code for Motor FuelDispensing Facilities and Repair Garages is that any hose longer than 18 feet should not simply bestrung along the dockrsquos surface Using a reel would be one means of securing the hose although Irsquomsure other methods such as hangers would work as well Please understand that this response to your inquiry is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 of NFPArsquos RegulationsGoverning Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitively determine compliance with anylaws ordinances rules or regulations To determine the adequacy or safety of any device or installationyou should consult with an appropriate professional To determine legal compliance you should refer tothe appropriate authority having jurisdiction or seek legal advice I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will be happy toassist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarily represent the official positionof the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it berelied upon to provide professional consultation or services cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

Fire Prevention Week is October 4 ndash 10 2009 Visit wwwfirepreventionweekorg or call 800-344-3555 for moreinformation NFPA Seminars - Apply the codes with confidenceRegister at wwwnfpalearnorg NFPA Membership keeps you up-to-dateVisit wwwnfpaorgjoin for more information Or call 800-344-3555Notice The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for theexclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential andor privileged information If you are not the intendedrecipient please notify Robert Benedetti immediately by replying to the message or by calling (617) 984-7433 Please deletethis message and any attachments from your system Thank you

From Scott Davonski [mailtodavonskiRiverheadlicom] Sent Wednesday July 22 2009 1118 AMTo Benedetti BobSubject 30A clarification

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1141 All hose shall be listed Where hose length exceeds 55 m (18 ft) the hose shall besecured so as to protect it from damage Can you provide clarification as to what is meant by ldquosecured so as to protect it fromdamagerdquo Is the standard looking not to have the hoses on the dock In a reel Any clarificationinformation would be appreciated Scott W DavonskiChief Fire MarshalTown of RiverheadP- 631-727-3200 ext 209F- 631-727-3370

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Page 45: TECHNICAL COMMITTEE ON AUTOMOTIVE and MARINE … · SUBJECT: Agenda for ROC Meeting – October 4, 2010 _____ Ladies and Gentlemen: Attached is the Agenda for the NFPA 30A Report

Quincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg Important Notice This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPA RegulationsAny opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarily represent the officialposition of the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition this correspondence is neither intended norshould it be relied upon to provide professional consultation or services

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From Gary Kostal [mailtogarykbloomingdalefirecom] Sent Monday August 09 2010 328 PMTo Benedetti BobSubject Looking for assistance - portable gas caddies Membership 2329840 Gary KostalFire Prevention DirectorBloomingdale Fire District Question (Non-formal opinion) I have a country club where they service a very large number of lawn maintenance equipment on a dailybasis They are utilizing a portable gas container (gas caddy) that holds approximately 30 gallons ofgasoline The unit is equipped with a hand style pump which is located on the top of the tank Fuel isdispensed from this tank as you crank the pump There are no nozzles located on the hose These gascaddies are being used inside their maintenance building which is fully fire sprinkled They are presentlyusing two of these devices inside the same building which is basically one days use

My question is are these devices allowed for this type of dispensing Are they required to be equippedwith a self closing nozzle What NFPA sections would apply to this particular type of device Thank you for your assistance in this matter

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From Benedetti BobTo SheldonSchallWisconsingovCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Wednesday September 30 2009 45929 PM

Good afternoon Sheldon I will here provide more detailed answers to your questions as posed in the email you sent to me today Section 30A-4323 limits tank storage capacity for Class I and II No limit for Class IIIA or IIIB

You are correct The intent of 4323 is to limit the capacities only of those tanks that storeClass I and II liquids Recall that when NFPA 30A initially allowed aboveground storage tanks atvehicle fueling sites biofuels were not in the picture just gasoline (Class I) and diesel fuel (ClassII) The Technical Committee at the time did not conceive that there would be the need to storeClass III fuels because there werenrsquot any The bottom line NFPA 30A does not limit the capacityof an aboveground storage tank that holds a motor fuel that is a Class III liquid

Section 30A-4324 refers to setbacks in Table 4324 No indication that these setbacks are specific toor exclude any class of flammable or combustible so it appears that the setbacks apply to Class I -Class IIIB liquids This table appears to conflict with the previous section for Class IIIA amp IIIB liquids

This is again correct that the separation distances in Table 4324 are not specific to anyparticular Class of liquid There is no conflict however 4323 deals with tank capacities 4324 deals with separation distances for the tanks Since 4324 does not specify anyparticular liquid class(es) it applies to ALL liquid classes

Section 30A-4325 allows an increased capacity for Class II and III liquids at fleet facilities Thisappears to conflict with section 4323 for Class III liquids which didnt have a capacity limit to startwith

Here there is a conflict or at least a serious inconsistency This provision was added one or twoeditions after 4323 and it appears that biofuels are beginning to be recognized It also appearsthat the intent here was to allow a relaxation of one limit in favor of a more liberal one Theproblem is the original limit doesnrsquot exist making it arguable that the application of 4325 toClass III liquids is meaningless Given the obvious intent here for some limit on Class III liquidfuels 4323 should be amended to include Class IIIs

Section 30A-4327 addresses dispensing from an aboveground tank for Class I and II liquids based uponspecific conditions

Paragraph 4322 is a hold-over dating back to when service stations were covered in Chapter 7of the old versions of NFPA 30 This set of requirements should also be amended to include ClassIIIs

Section 30A-4328 refers to NFPA 30-2171 for spill and overfill This section only applies to class Iand II liquids

While it is true that Subsection 2171 of NFPA 30 only applies to Classes I and II I do not believeit is a conflict for NFPA 30A to also apply it to Class III as well if the Technical Committee it isappropriate to do so However the language needs to be improved or an Annex item should beadded to explain the extrapolation and the reason for it

I will add this to the next meetingrsquos agenda for the Technical Committee on Automotive and MarineService Stations As usual the following applies Please understand that this response to your inquiry is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 of NFPArsquos RegulationsGoverning Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitively determine compliance with anylaws ordinances rules or regulations To determine the adequacy or safety of any device or installationyou should consult with an appropriate professional To determine legal compliance you should refer tothe appropriate authority having jurisdiction or seek legal advice

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I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will be happy toassist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarily represent the official positionof the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it berelied upon to provide professional consultation or services cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

Fire Prevention Week is October 4 ndash 10 2009 Visit wwwfirepreventionweekorg or call 800-344-3555 for moreinformation NFPA Seminars - Apply the codes with confidenceRegister at wwwnfpalearnorg NFPA Membership keeps you up-to-dateVisit wwwnfpaorgjoin for more information Or call 800-344-3555Notice The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for theexclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential andor privileged information If you are not the intendedrecipient please notify Robert Benedetti immediately by replying to the message or by calling (617) 984-7433 Please deletethis message and any attachments from your system Thank you Considering the variables in the sections referenced above are the setbacks in Table 4324 intended toapply to Class IIIA andor Class IIIB liquids for public fueling

From Schall Sheldon - COMMERCE [mailtoSheldonSchallWisconsingov] Sent Wednesday September 30 2009 832 AMTo Benedetti BobSubject NFPA 30A-4324 inquiry - URGENT Section 30A-4323 limits tank storage capacity for Class I and II No limit for Class IIIA or IIIB trueSection 30A-4324 refers to setbacks in Table 4324 No indication that these setbacks are specific toor exclude any class of flammable or combustible so it appears that the setbacks apply to Class I -Class IIIB liquids This table appears to conflict with the previous section for Class IIIA amp IIIB liquids Also trueSection 30A-4325 allows an increased capacity for Class II and III liquids at fleet facilities Thisappears to conflict with section 4323 for Class III liquids which didnt have a capacity limit to startwith Either one or the other needs to changeSection 30A-4327 addresses dispensing from an aboveground tank for Class I and II liquids based uponspecific conditions Need to cover IIIBSection 30A-4328 refers to NFPA 30-2171 for spill and overfill This section only applies to class Iand II liquids Class IIIs need to be specifically addressed Considering the variables in the sections referenced above are the setbacks in Table 4324 intended toapply to Class IIIA andor Class IIIB liquids for public fueling

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From Benedetti BobTo Bill HickmanCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Monday December 14 2009 50332 PM

Good afternoon Mr Hickman To answer your question the separation distances in Table 4324 of NFPA 30A Code for MotorFuel Dispensing Facilities and Repair Garages are intended to apply to outside abovegroundstorage tanks for fuel where such is allowed The tanks inside a service station building majorrepair garage or minor repair garage would likely be handling Class IIIB liquids (flash point gt200 degF) only in accordance with Subsection 4392 of NFPA 30A Subsection 4392 does not set any specific requirements for separation between tanks inside abuilding although it does refer back to Chapters 21 through 23 of NFPA 30 Flammable andCombustible Liquids Code Shell-to-shell spacing distances for aboveground tanks areestablished in Table 22421 Table 22421 is intended for much large tanks than one wouldfind in a repair garage or ldquolube-onlyrdquo facility For example the minimum separation for tanksstoring Class IIIB liquids is 3 feet as set forth in 224212 But again the separationdistances in Chapter 22 of NFPA 30 are intended for tank farm application not for the muchsmaller tanks found in the type of occupancy governed by NFPA 30A Also any facility meeting the requirements of NFPA 30A is considered to be in compliance withNFPA 30 Please understand that this response to your inquiry is a personal opinion and does notconstitute a Formal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 ofNFPArsquos Regulations Governing Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitivelydetermine compliance with any laws ordinances rules or regulations To determine theadequacy or safety of any device or installation you should consult with an appropriateprofessional To determine legal compliance you should refer to the appropriate authorityhaving jurisdiction or seek legal advice I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will behappy to assist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPARegulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarilyrepresent the official position of the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition thiscorrespondence is neither intended nor should it be relied upon to provide professional consultation orservices cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg If you have a reported fire in your home the risk of dyingdecreases by about 80 percent when sprinklers are present

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From Bill Hickman [mailtoBillHickmanstatecous] Sent Tuesday December 01 2009 939 AMTo Benedetti BobSubject Inquiry NFPA 30A - Storage of Liquids Inside Buildings Mr Benedetti Id appreciate your interpretation on an item regarding aboveground tanks storing lubricants (newused oil) inside abuilding at a repair garage NFPA 30A 439 does not include specific spacing requirements for tanks inside buildings Where there are multiple tanks being stored inside the building is there no minimum separation distance requirementthat must be met or do the requirements of Table 4324 apply Thank you in advance for your assistance __________________________________ Bill HickmanInspectorTechnical SpecialistCO Division of Oil amp Public Safety303-378-5090

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From Benedetti BobTo Peznowski EdwardCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Thursday September 03 2009 30455 PM

Hi Ed The 1996 edition of the Flammable and Combustible Liquids Code Handbook was the last one prior to thecurrent 2008 edition The commentary hasnrsquot changed My recollection of the development of this text is that the intent of NFPA 30A Code for Motor FuelDispensing Facilities and Repair Garages is to isolate the motor fuel dispensing area and its attendanthazard completely from the rest of the structure regardless of what else might be in the structure Subsection 524 assumes that the installation involves a motor fuel dispensing operation inside abuilding where you would not expect to have same such as an office building A bus repair facility wouldbe probably classed as a major repair garage and would be expected to have fueling operations Thehazard of this is in my opinion no greater than the repair operations It could be that the language in Subsection 524 needs to be clarified so that it applies only to situationssuch as I first described Please understand that this response to your inquiry is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 of NFPArsquos RegulationsGoverning Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitively determine compliance with anylaws ordinances rules or regulations To determine the adequacy or safety of any device or installationyou should consult with an appropriate professional To determine legal compliance you should refer tothe appropriate authority having jurisdiction or seek legal advice I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will be happy toassist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarily represent the official positionof the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it berelied upon to provide professional consultation or services cc 30AIFI 30AFAQ AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

Fire Prevention Week is October 4 ndash 10 2009 Visit wwwfirepreventionweekorg or call 800-344-3555 for moreinformation NFPA Seminars - Apply the codes with confidenceRegister at wwwnfpalearnorg NFPA Membership keeps you up-to-dateVisit wwwnfpaorgjoin for more information Or call 800-344-3555Notice The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for the

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exclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential andor privileged information If you are not the intendedrecipient please notify Robert Benedetti immediately by replying to the message or by calling (617) 984-7433 Please deletethis message and any attachments from your system Thank you

From Peznowski Edward [mailtoEdwardPeznowskipostatectus] Sent Monday August 31 2009 127 PMTo Benedetti BobSubject NFPA 30A Hi Bob Sorry to bother you but I need your help and interpretation of the following section of NFPA 30A 2000edition 524 - All piping inside buildings but outside the motor fuel dispensing area shall be enclosed within ahorizontal chase or a vertical shaft used only for this piping Vertical shafts and horizontal chases shall beconstructed of materials having a fire resistance rating of not less than 2 hours Bob I have a bus repair facility being built and we have fuel dispensing area within the building enclosedwith a 2hr fire resistive separation My question is I have diesel fuel piping coming from two tanks locatedoutside of the building the piping runs outside of the dispensing area does this piping need to be enclosed Ihave the proper UL listed system for through wall penetrations My problem lies here I have natural gas heating fuel oil lines for boilers and diesel fuel line for thegenerator all running through the area outside the 2 hour rated dispensing area which are not required to beenclosed My thought is within the 2 hour fire resistive construction I have storage rooms for grease and oil a office forfuel dispensing Any fuel piping running through these areas would be enclosed but once I go outside my 2hrrated enclosure the piping would not have to be enclosed NFPA 30A (1996edition)6-42 - All fuel and flammable vapor piping inside buildings but outside the service station area shall beenclosed within a horizontal chase or a vertical shaft used only for this piping Vertical shafts and horizontalchases shall be constructed of materials having a fire resistance rating of not less than 2 hoursCOMMENTARY 6-42 The intent of this requirement is to preserve the isolation of the service stationoperation from the rest of the building I donrsquot have the 2000 handbook for commentary Thanks Bob Edward J PeznowskiFire amp Life Safety SpecialistBureau of EngineeringOffice State Fire Marshal860-685-8350

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From Benedetti BobTo Hamilton James P (HOY)Cc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiSubject Inquiry NFPA 30A-2008Date Monday September 14 2009 115041 AM

Good morning Mr Hamilton The intent of this particular provision of Subsection 672 of NFPA 30A Code for Motor Fuel DispensingFacilities and Repair Garages is to ensure that the patron has access to a second disconnect if he or shecannot reach the primary disconnect ie the one that is between 20 and 100 feet from the dispenser In my opinion all of the emergency disconnects required by Section 67 must be at least 20 ft but normore than 100 ft from the nearest dispenser Please understand that this response to your inquiry is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 of NFPArsquos RegulationsGoverning Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitively determine compliance with anylaws ordinances rules or regulations To determine the adequacy or safety of any device or installationyou should consult with an appropriate professional To determine legal compliance you should refer tothe appropriate authority having jurisdiction or seek legal advice I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will be happy toassist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarily represent the official positionof the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it berelied upon to provide professional consultation or services cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

Fire Prevention Week is October 4 ndash 10 2009 Visit wwwfirepreventionweekorg or call 800-344-3555 for moreinformation NFPA Seminars - Apply the codes with confidenceRegister at wwwnfpalearnorg NFPA Membership keeps you up-to-dateVisit wwwnfpaorgjoin for more information Or call 800-344-3555Notice The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for theexclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential andor privileged information If you are not the intendedrecipient please notify Robert Benedetti immediately by replying to the message or by calling (617) 984-7433 Please deletethis message and any attachments from your system Thank you

From Hamilton James P (HOY) [mailtoHAMILTONJPbechteljacobsorg] Sent Thursday September 10 2009 1224 PMTo Benedetti BobSubject NFPA 30A 2008 Edition

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Importance High

NFPA 30A 672 states at least one additional device or disconnect shall be readily accessible toeach group of dispensing devices on an individual island Our installation does not have islands Should the second emergency shutoff be installed close to the pumps or between 20 and 100 ofthe pumps

Please respond back via email hamiltonjpbechteljacobsorg

Thanks

NFPA 127130 James P Hamilton CFPSTetraTek Inc - Fire Safety TechnologiesFire Protection LeadK-27 Pre-Demo Project 790 Emory Valley Rd 811 Oak Ridge TN 37830 ETTP Office 865-241-1902

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From Benedetti BobTo Scott DavonskiCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Tuesday August 04 2009 92429 AM

Good morning Mr Davonski My opinion is that the intent of the requirement in Subsection 1141 of NFPA 30A Code for Motor FuelDispensing Facilities and Repair Garages is that any hose longer than 18 feet should not simply bestrung along the dockrsquos surface Using a reel would be one means of securing the hose although Irsquomsure other methods such as hangers would work as well Please understand that this response to your inquiry is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 of NFPArsquos RegulationsGoverning Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitively determine compliance with anylaws ordinances rules or regulations To determine the adequacy or safety of any device or installationyou should consult with an appropriate professional To determine legal compliance you should refer tothe appropriate authority having jurisdiction or seek legal advice I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will be happy toassist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarily represent the official positionof the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it berelied upon to provide professional consultation or services cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

Fire Prevention Week is October 4 ndash 10 2009 Visit wwwfirepreventionweekorg or call 800-344-3555 for moreinformation NFPA Seminars - Apply the codes with confidenceRegister at wwwnfpalearnorg NFPA Membership keeps you up-to-dateVisit wwwnfpaorgjoin for more information Or call 800-344-3555Notice The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for theexclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential andor privileged information If you are not the intendedrecipient please notify Robert Benedetti immediately by replying to the message or by calling (617) 984-7433 Please deletethis message and any attachments from your system Thank you

From Scott Davonski [mailtodavonskiRiverheadlicom] Sent Wednesday July 22 2009 1118 AMTo Benedetti BobSubject 30A clarification

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1141 All hose shall be listed Where hose length exceeds 55 m (18 ft) the hose shall besecured so as to protect it from damage Can you provide clarification as to what is meant by ldquosecured so as to protect it fromdamagerdquo Is the standard looking not to have the hoses on the dock In a reel Any clarificationinformation would be appreciated Scott W DavonskiChief Fire MarshalTown of RiverheadP- 631-727-3200 ext 209F- 631-727-3370

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My question is are these devices allowed for this type of dispensing Are they required to be equippedwith a self closing nozzle What NFPA sections would apply to this particular type of device Thank you for your assistance in this matter

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From Benedetti BobTo SheldonSchallWisconsingovCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Wednesday September 30 2009 45929 PM

Good afternoon Sheldon I will here provide more detailed answers to your questions as posed in the email you sent to me today Section 30A-4323 limits tank storage capacity for Class I and II No limit for Class IIIA or IIIB

You are correct The intent of 4323 is to limit the capacities only of those tanks that storeClass I and II liquids Recall that when NFPA 30A initially allowed aboveground storage tanks atvehicle fueling sites biofuels were not in the picture just gasoline (Class I) and diesel fuel (ClassII) The Technical Committee at the time did not conceive that there would be the need to storeClass III fuels because there werenrsquot any The bottom line NFPA 30A does not limit the capacityof an aboveground storage tank that holds a motor fuel that is a Class III liquid

Section 30A-4324 refers to setbacks in Table 4324 No indication that these setbacks are specific toor exclude any class of flammable or combustible so it appears that the setbacks apply to Class I -Class IIIB liquids This table appears to conflict with the previous section for Class IIIA amp IIIB liquids

This is again correct that the separation distances in Table 4324 are not specific to anyparticular Class of liquid There is no conflict however 4323 deals with tank capacities 4324 deals with separation distances for the tanks Since 4324 does not specify anyparticular liquid class(es) it applies to ALL liquid classes

Section 30A-4325 allows an increased capacity for Class II and III liquids at fleet facilities Thisappears to conflict with section 4323 for Class III liquids which didnt have a capacity limit to startwith

Here there is a conflict or at least a serious inconsistency This provision was added one or twoeditions after 4323 and it appears that biofuels are beginning to be recognized It also appearsthat the intent here was to allow a relaxation of one limit in favor of a more liberal one Theproblem is the original limit doesnrsquot exist making it arguable that the application of 4325 toClass III liquids is meaningless Given the obvious intent here for some limit on Class III liquidfuels 4323 should be amended to include Class IIIs

Section 30A-4327 addresses dispensing from an aboveground tank for Class I and II liquids based uponspecific conditions

Paragraph 4322 is a hold-over dating back to when service stations were covered in Chapter 7of the old versions of NFPA 30 This set of requirements should also be amended to include ClassIIIs

Section 30A-4328 refers to NFPA 30-2171 for spill and overfill This section only applies to class Iand II liquids

While it is true that Subsection 2171 of NFPA 30 only applies to Classes I and II I do not believeit is a conflict for NFPA 30A to also apply it to Class III as well if the Technical Committee it isappropriate to do so However the language needs to be improved or an Annex item should beadded to explain the extrapolation and the reason for it

I will add this to the next meetingrsquos agenda for the Technical Committee on Automotive and MarineService Stations As usual the following applies Please understand that this response to your inquiry is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 of NFPArsquos RegulationsGoverning Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitively determine compliance with anylaws ordinances rules or regulations To determine the adequacy or safety of any device or installationyou should consult with an appropriate professional To determine legal compliance you should refer tothe appropriate authority having jurisdiction or seek legal advice

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I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will be happy toassist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarily represent the official positionof the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it berelied upon to provide professional consultation or services cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

Fire Prevention Week is October 4 ndash 10 2009 Visit wwwfirepreventionweekorg or call 800-344-3555 for moreinformation NFPA Seminars - Apply the codes with confidenceRegister at wwwnfpalearnorg NFPA Membership keeps you up-to-dateVisit wwwnfpaorgjoin for more information Or call 800-344-3555Notice The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for theexclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential andor privileged information If you are not the intendedrecipient please notify Robert Benedetti immediately by replying to the message or by calling (617) 984-7433 Please deletethis message and any attachments from your system Thank you Considering the variables in the sections referenced above are the setbacks in Table 4324 intended toapply to Class IIIA andor Class IIIB liquids for public fueling

From Schall Sheldon - COMMERCE [mailtoSheldonSchallWisconsingov] Sent Wednesday September 30 2009 832 AMTo Benedetti BobSubject NFPA 30A-4324 inquiry - URGENT Section 30A-4323 limits tank storage capacity for Class I and II No limit for Class IIIA or IIIB trueSection 30A-4324 refers to setbacks in Table 4324 No indication that these setbacks are specific toor exclude any class of flammable or combustible so it appears that the setbacks apply to Class I -Class IIIB liquids This table appears to conflict with the previous section for Class IIIA amp IIIB liquids Also trueSection 30A-4325 allows an increased capacity for Class II and III liquids at fleet facilities Thisappears to conflict with section 4323 for Class III liquids which didnt have a capacity limit to startwith Either one or the other needs to changeSection 30A-4327 addresses dispensing from an aboveground tank for Class I and II liquids based uponspecific conditions Need to cover IIIBSection 30A-4328 refers to NFPA 30-2171 for spill and overfill This section only applies to class Iand II liquids Class IIIs need to be specifically addressed Considering the variables in the sections referenced above are the setbacks in Table 4324 intended toapply to Class IIIA andor Class IIIB liquids for public fueling

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From Benedetti BobTo Bill HickmanCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Monday December 14 2009 50332 PM

Good afternoon Mr Hickman To answer your question the separation distances in Table 4324 of NFPA 30A Code for MotorFuel Dispensing Facilities and Repair Garages are intended to apply to outside abovegroundstorage tanks for fuel where such is allowed The tanks inside a service station building majorrepair garage or minor repair garage would likely be handling Class IIIB liquids (flash point gt200 degF) only in accordance with Subsection 4392 of NFPA 30A Subsection 4392 does not set any specific requirements for separation between tanks inside abuilding although it does refer back to Chapters 21 through 23 of NFPA 30 Flammable andCombustible Liquids Code Shell-to-shell spacing distances for aboveground tanks areestablished in Table 22421 Table 22421 is intended for much large tanks than one wouldfind in a repair garage or ldquolube-onlyrdquo facility For example the minimum separation for tanksstoring Class IIIB liquids is 3 feet as set forth in 224212 But again the separationdistances in Chapter 22 of NFPA 30 are intended for tank farm application not for the muchsmaller tanks found in the type of occupancy governed by NFPA 30A Also any facility meeting the requirements of NFPA 30A is considered to be in compliance withNFPA 30 Please understand that this response to your inquiry is a personal opinion and does notconstitute a Formal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 ofNFPArsquos Regulations Governing Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitivelydetermine compliance with any laws ordinances rules or regulations To determine theadequacy or safety of any device or installation you should consult with an appropriateprofessional To determine legal compliance you should refer to the appropriate authorityhaving jurisdiction or seek legal advice I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will behappy to assist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPARegulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarilyrepresent the official position of the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition thiscorrespondence is neither intended nor should it be relied upon to provide professional consultation orservices cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg If you have a reported fire in your home the risk of dyingdecreases by about 80 percent when sprinklers are present

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wwwfiresprinklerinitiativeorgNotice The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for theexclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential andor privileged information If you are not the intendedrecipient please notify Robert Benedetti immediately by replying to the message or by calling (617) 984-7433 Please deletethis message and any attachments from your system Thank you

From Bill Hickman [mailtoBillHickmanstatecous] Sent Tuesday December 01 2009 939 AMTo Benedetti BobSubject Inquiry NFPA 30A - Storage of Liquids Inside Buildings Mr Benedetti Id appreciate your interpretation on an item regarding aboveground tanks storing lubricants (newused oil) inside abuilding at a repair garage NFPA 30A 439 does not include specific spacing requirements for tanks inside buildings Where there are multiple tanks being stored inside the building is there no minimum separation distance requirementthat must be met or do the requirements of Table 4324 apply Thank you in advance for your assistance __________________________________ Bill HickmanInspectorTechnical SpecialistCO Division of Oil amp Public Safety303-378-5090

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From Benedetti BobTo Peznowski EdwardCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Thursday September 03 2009 30455 PM

Hi Ed The 1996 edition of the Flammable and Combustible Liquids Code Handbook was the last one prior to thecurrent 2008 edition The commentary hasnrsquot changed My recollection of the development of this text is that the intent of NFPA 30A Code for Motor FuelDispensing Facilities and Repair Garages is to isolate the motor fuel dispensing area and its attendanthazard completely from the rest of the structure regardless of what else might be in the structure Subsection 524 assumes that the installation involves a motor fuel dispensing operation inside abuilding where you would not expect to have same such as an office building A bus repair facility wouldbe probably classed as a major repair garage and would be expected to have fueling operations Thehazard of this is in my opinion no greater than the repair operations It could be that the language in Subsection 524 needs to be clarified so that it applies only to situationssuch as I first described Please understand that this response to your inquiry is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 of NFPArsquos RegulationsGoverning Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitively determine compliance with anylaws ordinances rules or regulations To determine the adequacy or safety of any device or installationyou should consult with an appropriate professional To determine legal compliance you should refer tothe appropriate authority having jurisdiction or seek legal advice I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will be happy toassist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarily represent the official positionof the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it berelied upon to provide professional consultation or services cc 30AIFI 30AFAQ AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

Fire Prevention Week is October 4 ndash 10 2009 Visit wwwfirepreventionweekorg or call 800-344-3555 for moreinformation NFPA Seminars - Apply the codes with confidenceRegister at wwwnfpalearnorg NFPA Membership keeps you up-to-dateVisit wwwnfpaorgjoin for more information Or call 800-344-3555Notice The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for the

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exclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential andor privileged information If you are not the intendedrecipient please notify Robert Benedetti immediately by replying to the message or by calling (617) 984-7433 Please deletethis message and any attachments from your system Thank you

From Peznowski Edward [mailtoEdwardPeznowskipostatectus] Sent Monday August 31 2009 127 PMTo Benedetti BobSubject NFPA 30A Hi Bob Sorry to bother you but I need your help and interpretation of the following section of NFPA 30A 2000edition 524 - All piping inside buildings but outside the motor fuel dispensing area shall be enclosed within ahorizontal chase or a vertical shaft used only for this piping Vertical shafts and horizontal chases shall beconstructed of materials having a fire resistance rating of not less than 2 hours Bob I have a bus repair facility being built and we have fuel dispensing area within the building enclosedwith a 2hr fire resistive separation My question is I have diesel fuel piping coming from two tanks locatedoutside of the building the piping runs outside of the dispensing area does this piping need to be enclosed Ihave the proper UL listed system for through wall penetrations My problem lies here I have natural gas heating fuel oil lines for boilers and diesel fuel line for thegenerator all running through the area outside the 2 hour rated dispensing area which are not required to beenclosed My thought is within the 2 hour fire resistive construction I have storage rooms for grease and oil a office forfuel dispensing Any fuel piping running through these areas would be enclosed but once I go outside my 2hrrated enclosure the piping would not have to be enclosed NFPA 30A (1996edition)6-42 - All fuel and flammable vapor piping inside buildings but outside the service station area shall beenclosed within a horizontal chase or a vertical shaft used only for this piping Vertical shafts and horizontalchases shall be constructed of materials having a fire resistance rating of not less than 2 hoursCOMMENTARY 6-42 The intent of this requirement is to preserve the isolation of the service stationoperation from the rest of the building I donrsquot have the 2000 handbook for commentary Thanks Bob Edward J PeznowskiFire amp Life Safety SpecialistBureau of EngineeringOffice State Fire Marshal860-685-8350

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From Benedetti BobTo Hamilton James P (HOY)Cc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiSubject Inquiry NFPA 30A-2008Date Monday September 14 2009 115041 AM

Good morning Mr Hamilton The intent of this particular provision of Subsection 672 of NFPA 30A Code for Motor Fuel DispensingFacilities and Repair Garages is to ensure that the patron has access to a second disconnect if he or shecannot reach the primary disconnect ie the one that is between 20 and 100 feet from the dispenser In my opinion all of the emergency disconnects required by Section 67 must be at least 20 ft but normore than 100 ft from the nearest dispenser Please understand that this response to your inquiry is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 of NFPArsquos RegulationsGoverning Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitively determine compliance with anylaws ordinances rules or regulations To determine the adequacy or safety of any device or installationyou should consult with an appropriate professional To determine legal compliance you should refer tothe appropriate authority having jurisdiction or seek legal advice I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will be happy toassist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarily represent the official positionof the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it berelied upon to provide professional consultation or services cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

Fire Prevention Week is October 4 ndash 10 2009 Visit wwwfirepreventionweekorg or call 800-344-3555 for moreinformation NFPA Seminars - Apply the codes with confidenceRegister at wwwnfpalearnorg NFPA Membership keeps you up-to-dateVisit wwwnfpaorgjoin for more information Or call 800-344-3555Notice The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for theexclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential andor privileged information If you are not the intendedrecipient please notify Robert Benedetti immediately by replying to the message or by calling (617) 984-7433 Please deletethis message and any attachments from your system Thank you

From Hamilton James P (HOY) [mailtoHAMILTONJPbechteljacobsorg] Sent Thursday September 10 2009 1224 PMTo Benedetti BobSubject NFPA 30A 2008 Edition

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Importance High

NFPA 30A 672 states at least one additional device or disconnect shall be readily accessible toeach group of dispensing devices on an individual island Our installation does not have islands Should the second emergency shutoff be installed close to the pumps or between 20 and 100 ofthe pumps

Please respond back via email hamiltonjpbechteljacobsorg

Thanks

NFPA 127130 James P Hamilton CFPSTetraTek Inc - Fire Safety TechnologiesFire Protection LeadK-27 Pre-Demo Project 790 Emory Valley Rd 811 Oak Ridge TN 37830 ETTP Office 865-241-1902

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From Benedetti BobTo Scott DavonskiCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Tuesday August 04 2009 92429 AM

Good morning Mr Davonski My opinion is that the intent of the requirement in Subsection 1141 of NFPA 30A Code for Motor FuelDispensing Facilities and Repair Garages is that any hose longer than 18 feet should not simply bestrung along the dockrsquos surface Using a reel would be one means of securing the hose although Irsquomsure other methods such as hangers would work as well Please understand that this response to your inquiry is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 of NFPArsquos RegulationsGoverning Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitively determine compliance with anylaws ordinances rules or regulations To determine the adequacy or safety of any device or installationyou should consult with an appropriate professional To determine legal compliance you should refer tothe appropriate authority having jurisdiction or seek legal advice I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will be happy toassist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarily represent the official positionof the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it berelied upon to provide professional consultation or services cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

Fire Prevention Week is October 4 ndash 10 2009 Visit wwwfirepreventionweekorg or call 800-344-3555 for moreinformation NFPA Seminars - Apply the codes with confidenceRegister at wwwnfpalearnorg NFPA Membership keeps you up-to-dateVisit wwwnfpaorgjoin for more information Or call 800-344-3555Notice The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for theexclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential andor privileged information If you are not the intendedrecipient please notify Robert Benedetti immediately by replying to the message or by calling (617) 984-7433 Please deletethis message and any attachments from your system Thank you

From Scott Davonski [mailtodavonskiRiverheadlicom] Sent Wednesday July 22 2009 1118 AMTo Benedetti BobSubject 30A clarification

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1141 All hose shall be listed Where hose length exceeds 55 m (18 ft) the hose shall besecured so as to protect it from damage Can you provide clarification as to what is meant by ldquosecured so as to protect it fromdamagerdquo Is the standard looking not to have the hoses on the dock In a reel Any clarificationinformation would be appreciated Scott W DavonskiChief Fire MarshalTown of RiverheadP- 631-727-3200 ext 209F- 631-727-3370

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From Benedetti BobTo SheldonSchallWisconsingovCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Wednesday September 30 2009 45929 PM

Good afternoon Sheldon I will here provide more detailed answers to your questions as posed in the email you sent to me today Section 30A-4323 limits tank storage capacity for Class I and II No limit for Class IIIA or IIIB

You are correct The intent of 4323 is to limit the capacities only of those tanks that storeClass I and II liquids Recall that when NFPA 30A initially allowed aboveground storage tanks atvehicle fueling sites biofuels were not in the picture just gasoline (Class I) and diesel fuel (ClassII) The Technical Committee at the time did not conceive that there would be the need to storeClass III fuels because there werenrsquot any The bottom line NFPA 30A does not limit the capacityof an aboveground storage tank that holds a motor fuel that is a Class III liquid

Section 30A-4324 refers to setbacks in Table 4324 No indication that these setbacks are specific toor exclude any class of flammable or combustible so it appears that the setbacks apply to Class I -Class IIIB liquids This table appears to conflict with the previous section for Class IIIA amp IIIB liquids

This is again correct that the separation distances in Table 4324 are not specific to anyparticular Class of liquid There is no conflict however 4323 deals with tank capacities 4324 deals with separation distances for the tanks Since 4324 does not specify anyparticular liquid class(es) it applies to ALL liquid classes

Section 30A-4325 allows an increased capacity for Class II and III liquids at fleet facilities Thisappears to conflict with section 4323 for Class III liquids which didnt have a capacity limit to startwith

Here there is a conflict or at least a serious inconsistency This provision was added one or twoeditions after 4323 and it appears that biofuels are beginning to be recognized It also appearsthat the intent here was to allow a relaxation of one limit in favor of a more liberal one Theproblem is the original limit doesnrsquot exist making it arguable that the application of 4325 toClass III liquids is meaningless Given the obvious intent here for some limit on Class III liquidfuels 4323 should be amended to include Class IIIs

Section 30A-4327 addresses dispensing from an aboveground tank for Class I and II liquids based uponspecific conditions

Paragraph 4322 is a hold-over dating back to when service stations were covered in Chapter 7of the old versions of NFPA 30 This set of requirements should also be amended to include ClassIIIs

Section 30A-4328 refers to NFPA 30-2171 for spill and overfill This section only applies to class Iand II liquids

While it is true that Subsection 2171 of NFPA 30 only applies to Classes I and II I do not believeit is a conflict for NFPA 30A to also apply it to Class III as well if the Technical Committee it isappropriate to do so However the language needs to be improved or an Annex item should beadded to explain the extrapolation and the reason for it

I will add this to the next meetingrsquos agenda for the Technical Committee on Automotive and MarineService Stations As usual the following applies Please understand that this response to your inquiry is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 of NFPArsquos RegulationsGoverning Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitively determine compliance with anylaws ordinances rules or regulations To determine the adequacy or safety of any device or installationyou should consult with an appropriate professional To determine legal compliance you should refer tothe appropriate authority having jurisdiction or seek legal advice

bbenedetti
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I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will be happy toassist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarily represent the official positionof the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it berelied upon to provide professional consultation or services cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

Fire Prevention Week is October 4 ndash 10 2009 Visit wwwfirepreventionweekorg or call 800-344-3555 for moreinformation NFPA Seminars - Apply the codes with confidenceRegister at wwwnfpalearnorg NFPA Membership keeps you up-to-dateVisit wwwnfpaorgjoin for more information Or call 800-344-3555Notice The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for theexclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential andor privileged information If you are not the intendedrecipient please notify Robert Benedetti immediately by replying to the message or by calling (617) 984-7433 Please deletethis message and any attachments from your system Thank you Considering the variables in the sections referenced above are the setbacks in Table 4324 intended toapply to Class IIIA andor Class IIIB liquids for public fueling

From Schall Sheldon - COMMERCE [mailtoSheldonSchallWisconsingov] Sent Wednesday September 30 2009 832 AMTo Benedetti BobSubject NFPA 30A-4324 inquiry - URGENT Section 30A-4323 limits tank storage capacity for Class I and II No limit for Class IIIA or IIIB trueSection 30A-4324 refers to setbacks in Table 4324 No indication that these setbacks are specific toor exclude any class of flammable or combustible so it appears that the setbacks apply to Class I -Class IIIB liquids This table appears to conflict with the previous section for Class IIIA amp IIIB liquids Also trueSection 30A-4325 allows an increased capacity for Class II and III liquids at fleet facilities Thisappears to conflict with section 4323 for Class III liquids which didnt have a capacity limit to startwith Either one or the other needs to changeSection 30A-4327 addresses dispensing from an aboveground tank for Class I and II liquids based uponspecific conditions Need to cover IIIBSection 30A-4328 refers to NFPA 30-2171 for spill and overfill This section only applies to class Iand II liquids Class IIIs need to be specifically addressed Considering the variables in the sections referenced above are the setbacks in Table 4324 intended toapply to Class IIIA andor Class IIIB liquids for public fueling

bbenedetti
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Table 4324 -13 Distance to Vehicle

From Benedetti BobTo Bill HickmanCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Monday December 14 2009 50332 PM

Good afternoon Mr Hickman To answer your question the separation distances in Table 4324 of NFPA 30A Code for MotorFuel Dispensing Facilities and Repair Garages are intended to apply to outside abovegroundstorage tanks for fuel where such is allowed The tanks inside a service station building majorrepair garage or minor repair garage would likely be handling Class IIIB liquids (flash point gt200 degF) only in accordance with Subsection 4392 of NFPA 30A Subsection 4392 does not set any specific requirements for separation between tanks inside abuilding although it does refer back to Chapters 21 through 23 of NFPA 30 Flammable andCombustible Liquids Code Shell-to-shell spacing distances for aboveground tanks areestablished in Table 22421 Table 22421 is intended for much large tanks than one wouldfind in a repair garage or ldquolube-onlyrdquo facility For example the minimum separation for tanksstoring Class IIIB liquids is 3 feet as set forth in 224212 But again the separationdistances in Chapter 22 of NFPA 30 are intended for tank farm application not for the muchsmaller tanks found in the type of occupancy governed by NFPA 30A Also any facility meeting the requirements of NFPA 30A is considered to be in compliance withNFPA 30 Please understand that this response to your inquiry is a personal opinion and does notconstitute a Formal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 ofNFPArsquos Regulations Governing Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitivelydetermine compliance with any laws ordinances rules or regulations To determine theadequacy or safety of any device or installation you should consult with an appropriateprofessional To determine legal compliance you should refer to the appropriate authorityhaving jurisdiction or seek legal advice I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will behappy to assist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPARegulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarilyrepresent the official position of the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition thiscorrespondence is neither intended nor should it be relied upon to provide professional consultation orservices cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg If you have a reported fire in your home the risk of dyingdecreases by about 80 percent when sprinklers are present

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wwwfiresprinklerinitiativeorgNotice The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for theexclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential andor privileged information If you are not the intendedrecipient please notify Robert Benedetti immediately by replying to the message or by calling (617) 984-7433 Please deletethis message and any attachments from your system Thank you

From Bill Hickman [mailtoBillHickmanstatecous] Sent Tuesday December 01 2009 939 AMTo Benedetti BobSubject Inquiry NFPA 30A - Storage of Liquids Inside Buildings Mr Benedetti Id appreciate your interpretation on an item regarding aboveground tanks storing lubricants (newused oil) inside abuilding at a repair garage NFPA 30A 439 does not include specific spacing requirements for tanks inside buildings Where there are multiple tanks being stored inside the building is there no minimum separation distance requirementthat must be met or do the requirements of Table 4324 apply Thank you in advance for your assistance __________________________________ Bill HickmanInspectorTechnical SpecialistCO Division of Oil amp Public Safety303-378-5090

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From Benedetti BobTo Peznowski EdwardCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Thursday September 03 2009 30455 PM

Hi Ed The 1996 edition of the Flammable and Combustible Liquids Code Handbook was the last one prior to thecurrent 2008 edition The commentary hasnrsquot changed My recollection of the development of this text is that the intent of NFPA 30A Code for Motor FuelDispensing Facilities and Repair Garages is to isolate the motor fuel dispensing area and its attendanthazard completely from the rest of the structure regardless of what else might be in the structure Subsection 524 assumes that the installation involves a motor fuel dispensing operation inside abuilding where you would not expect to have same such as an office building A bus repair facility wouldbe probably classed as a major repair garage and would be expected to have fueling operations Thehazard of this is in my opinion no greater than the repair operations It could be that the language in Subsection 524 needs to be clarified so that it applies only to situationssuch as I first described Please understand that this response to your inquiry is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 of NFPArsquos RegulationsGoverning Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitively determine compliance with anylaws ordinances rules or regulations To determine the adequacy or safety of any device or installationyou should consult with an appropriate professional To determine legal compliance you should refer tothe appropriate authority having jurisdiction or seek legal advice I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will be happy toassist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarily represent the official positionof the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it berelied upon to provide professional consultation or services cc 30AIFI 30AFAQ AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

Fire Prevention Week is October 4 ndash 10 2009 Visit wwwfirepreventionweekorg or call 800-344-3555 for moreinformation NFPA Seminars - Apply the codes with confidenceRegister at wwwnfpalearnorg NFPA Membership keeps you up-to-dateVisit wwwnfpaorgjoin for more information Or call 800-344-3555Notice The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for the

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exclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential andor privileged information If you are not the intendedrecipient please notify Robert Benedetti immediately by replying to the message or by calling (617) 984-7433 Please deletethis message and any attachments from your system Thank you

From Peznowski Edward [mailtoEdwardPeznowskipostatectus] Sent Monday August 31 2009 127 PMTo Benedetti BobSubject NFPA 30A Hi Bob Sorry to bother you but I need your help and interpretation of the following section of NFPA 30A 2000edition 524 - All piping inside buildings but outside the motor fuel dispensing area shall be enclosed within ahorizontal chase or a vertical shaft used only for this piping Vertical shafts and horizontal chases shall beconstructed of materials having a fire resistance rating of not less than 2 hours Bob I have a bus repair facility being built and we have fuel dispensing area within the building enclosedwith a 2hr fire resistive separation My question is I have diesel fuel piping coming from two tanks locatedoutside of the building the piping runs outside of the dispensing area does this piping need to be enclosed Ihave the proper UL listed system for through wall penetrations My problem lies here I have natural gas heating fuel oil lines for boilers and diesel fuel line for thegenerator all running through the area outside the 2 hour rated dispensing area which are not required to beenclosed My thought is within the 2 hour fire resistive construction I have storage rooms for grease and oil a office forfuel dispensing Any fuel piping running through these areas would be enclosed but once I go outside my 2hrrated enclosure the piping would not have to be enclosed NFPA 30A (1996edition)6-42 - All fuel and flammable vapor piping inside buildings but outside the service station area shall beenclosed within a horizontal chase or a vertical shaft used only for this piping Vertical shafts and horizontalchases shall be constructed of materials having a fire resistance rating of not less than 2 hoursCOMMENTARY 6-42 The intent of this requirement is to preserve the isolation of the service stationoperation from the rest of the building I donrsquot have the 2000 handbook for commentary Thanks Bob Edward J PeznowskiFire amp Life Safety SpecialistBureau of EngineeringOffice State Fire Marshal860-685-8350

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From Benedetti BobTo Hamilton James P (HOY)Cc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiSubject Inquiry NFPA 30A-2008Date Monday September 14 2009 115041 AM

Good morning Mr Hamilton The intent of this particular provision of Subsection 672 of NFPA 30A Code for Motor Fuel DispensingFacilities and Repair Garages is to ensure that the patron has access to a second disconnect if he or shecannot reach the primary disconnect ie the one that is between 20 and 100 feet from the dispenser In my opinion all of the emergency disconnects required by Section 67 must be at least 20 ft but normore than 100 ft from the nearest dispenser Please understand that this response to your inquiry is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 of NFPArsquos RegulationsGoverning Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitively determine compliance with anylaws ordinances rules or regulations To determine the adequacy or safety of any device or installationyou should consult with an appropriate professional To determine legal compliance you should refer tothe appropriate authority having jurisdiction or seek legal advice I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will be happy toassist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarily represent the official positionof the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it berelied upon to provide professional consultation or services cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

Fire Prevention Week is October 4 ndash 10 2009 Visit wwwfirepreventionweekorg or call 800-344-3555 for moreinformation NFPA Seminars - Apply the codes with confidenceRegister at wwwnfpalearnorg NFPA Membership keeps you up-to-dateVisit wwwnfpaorgjoin for more information Or call 800-344-3555Notice The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for theexclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential andor privileged information If you are not the intendedrecipient please notify Robert Benedetti immediately by replying to the message or by calling (617) 984-7433 Please deletethis message and any attachments from your system Thank you

From Hamilton James P (HOY) [mailtoHAMILTONJPbechteljacobsorg] Sent Thursday September 10 2009 1224 PMTo Benedetti BobSubject NFPA 30A 2008 Edition

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Importance High

NFPA 30A 672 states at least one additional device or disconnect shall be readily accessible toeach group of dispensing devices on an individual island Our installation does not have islands Should the second emergency shutoff be installed close to the pumps or between 20 and 100 ofthe pumps

Please respond back via email hamiltonjpbechteljacobsorg

Thanks

NFPA 127130 James P Hamilton CFPSTetraTek Inc - Fire Safety TechnologiesFire Protection LeadK-27 Pre-Demo Project 790 Emory Valley Rd 811 Oak Ridge TN 37830 ETTP Office 865-241-1902

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From Benedetti BobTo Scott DavonskiCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Tuesday August 04 2009 92429 AM

Good morning Mr Davonski My opinion is that the intent of the requirement in Subsection 1141 of NFPA 30A Code for Motor FuelDispensing Facilities and Repair Garages is that any hose longer than 18 feet should not simply bestrung along the dockrsquos surface Using a reel would be one means of securing the hose although Irsquomsure other methods such as hangers would work as well Please understand that this response to your inquiry is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 of NFPArsquos RegulationsGoverning Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitively determine compliance with anylaws ordinances rules or regulations To determine the adequacy or safety of any device or installationyou should consult with an appropriate professional To determine legal compliance you should refer tothe appropriate authority having jurisdiction or seek legal advice I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will be happy toassist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarily represent the official positionof the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it berelied upon to provide professional consultation or services cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

Fire Prevention Week is October 4 ndash 10 2009 Visit wwwfirepreventionweekorg or call 800-344-3555 for moreinformation NFPA Seminars - Apply the codes with confidenceRegister at wwwnfpalearnorg NFPA Membership keeps you up-to-dateVisit wwwnfpaorgjoin for more information Or call 800-344-3555Notice The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for theexclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential andor privileged information If you are not the intendedrecipient please notify Robert Benedetti immediately by replying to the message or by calling (617) 984-7433 Please deletethis message and any attachments from your system Thank you

From Scott Davonski [mailtodavonskiRiverheadlicom] Sent Wednesday July 22 2009 1118 AMTo Benedetti BobSubject 30A clarification

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1141 All hose shall be listed Where hose length exceeds 55 m (18 ft) the hose shall besecured so as to protect it from damage Can you provide clarification as to what is meant by ldquosecured so as to protect it fromdamagerdquo Is the standard looking not to have the hoses on the dock In a reel Any clarificationinformation would be appreciated Scott W DavonskiChief Fire MarshalTown of RiverheadP- 631-727-3200 ext 209F- 631-727-3370

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Page 48: TECHNICAL COMMITTEE ON AUTOMOTIVE and MARINE … · SUBJECT: Agenda for ROC Meeting – October 4, 2010 _____ Ladies and Gentlemen: Attached is the Agenda for the NFPA 30A Report

From Benedetti BobTo SheldonSchallWisconsingovCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Wednesday September 30 2009 45929 PM

Good afternoon Sheldon I will here provide more detailed answers to your questions as posed in the email you sent to me today Section 30A-4323 limits tank storage capacity for Class I and II No limit for Class IIIA or IIIB

You are correct The intent of 4323 is to limit the capacities only of those tanks that storeClass I and II liquids Recall that when NFPA 30A initially allowed aboveground storage tanks atvehicle fueling sites biofuels were not in the picture just gasoline (Class I) and diesel fuel (ClassII) The Technical Committee at the time did not conceive that there would be the need to storeClass III fuels because there werenrsquot any The bottom line NFPA 30A does not limit the capacityof an aboveground storage tank that holds a motor fuel that is a Class III liquid

Section 30A-4324 refers to setbacks in Table 4324 No indication that these setbacks are specific toor exclude any class of flammable or combustible so it appears that the setbacks apply to Class I -Class IIIB liquids This table appears to conflict with the previous section for Class IIIA amp IIIB liquids

This is again correct that the separation distances in Table 4324 are not specific to anyparticular Class of liquid There is no conflict however 4323 deals with tank capacities 4324 deals with separation distances for the tanks Since 4324 does not specify anyparticular liquid class(es) it applies to ALL liquid classes

Section 30A-4325 allows an increased capacity for Class II and III liquids at fleet facilities Thisappears to conflict with section 4323 for Class III liquids which didnt have a capacity limit to startwith

Here there is a conflict or at least a serious inconsistency This provision was added one or twoeditions after 4323 and it appears that biofuels are beginning to be recognized It also appearsthat the intent here was to allow a relaxation of one limit in favor of a more liberal one Theproblem is the original limit doesnrsquot exist making it arguable that the application of 4325 toClass III liquids is meaningless Given the obvious intent here for some limit on Class III liquidfuels 4323 should be amended to include Class IIIs

Section 30A-4327 addresses dispensing from an aboveground tank for Class I and II liquids based uponspecific conditions

Paragraph 4322 is a hold-over dating back to when service stations were covered in Chapter 7of the old versions of NFPA 30 This set of requirements should also be amended to include ClassIIIs

Section 30A-4328 refers to NFPA 30-2171 for spill and overfill This section only applies to class Iand II liquids

While it is true that Subsection 2171 of NFPA 30 only applies to Classes I and II I do not believeit is a conflict for NFPA 30A to also apply it to Class III as well if the Technical Committee it isappropriate to do so However the language needs to be improved or an Annex item should beadded to explain the extrapolation and the reason for it

I will add this to the next meetingrsquos agenda for the Technical Committee on Automotive and MarineService Stations As usual the following applies Please understand that this response to your inquiry is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 of NFPArsquos RegulationsGoverning Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitively determine compliance with anylaws ordinances rules or regulations To determine the adequacy or safety of any device or installationyou should consult with an appropriate professional To determine legal compliance you should refer tothe appropriate authority having jurisdiction or seek legal advice

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I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will be happy toassist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarily represent the official positionof the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it berelied upon to provide professional consultation or services cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

Fire Prevention Week is October 4 ndash 10 2009 Visit wwwfirepreventionweekorg or call 800-344-3555 for moreinformation NFPA Seminars - Apply the codes with confidenceRegister at wwwnfpalearnorg NFPA Membership keeps you up-to-dateVisit wwwnfpaorgjoin for more information Or call 800-344-3555Notice The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for theexclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential andor privileged information If you are not the intendedrecipient please notify Robert Benedetti immediately by replying to the message or by calling (617) 984-7433 Please deletethis message and any attachments from your system Thank you Considering the variables in the sections referenced above are the setbacks in Table 4324 intended toapply to Class IIIA andor Class IIIB liquids for public fueling

From Schall Sheldon - COMMERCE [mailtoSheldonSchallWisconsingov] Sent Wednesday September 30 2009 832 AMTo Benedetti BobSubject NFPA 30A-4324 inquiry - URGENT Section 30A-4323 limits tank storage capacity for Class I and II No limit for Class IIIA or IIIB trueSection 30A-4324 refers to setbacks in Table 4324 No indication that these setbacks are specific toor exclude any class of flammable or combustible so it appears that the setbacks apply to Class I -Class IIIB liquids This table appears to conflict with the previous section for Class IIIA amp IIIB liquids Also trueSection 30A-4325 allows an increased capacity for Class II and III liquids at fleet facilities Thisappears to conflict with section 4323 for Class III liquids which didnt have a capacity limit to startwith Either one or the other needs to changeSection 30A-4327 addresses dispensing from an aboveground tank for Class I and II liquids based uponspecific conditions Need to cover IIIBSection 30A-4328 refers to NFPA 30-2171 for spill and overfill This section only applies to class Iand II liquids Class IIIs need to be specifically addressed Considering the variables in the sections referenced above are the setbacks in Table 4324 intended toapply to Class IIIA andor Class IIIB liquids for public fueling

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From Benedetti BobTo Bill HickmanCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Monday December 14 2009 50332 PM

Good afternoon Mr Hickman To answer your question the separation distances in Table 4324 of NFPA 30A Code for MotorFuel Dispensing Facilities and Repair Garages are intended to apply to outside abovegroundstorage tanks for fuel where such is allowed The tanks inside a service station building majorrepair garage or minor repair garage would likely be handling Class IIIB liquids (flash point gt200 degF) only in accordance with Subsection 4392 of NFPA 30A Subsection 4392 does not set any specific requirements for separation between tanks inside abuilding although it does refer back to Chapters 21 through 23 of NFPA 30 Flammable andCombustible Liquids Code Shell-to-shell spacing distances for aboveground tanks areestablished in Table 22421 Table 22421 is intended for much large tanks than one wouldfind in a repair garage or ldquolube-onlyrdquo facility For example the minimum separation for tanksstoring Class IIIB liquids is 3 feet as set forth in 224212 But again the separationdistances in Chapter 22 of NFPA 30 are intended for tank farm application not for the muchsmaller tanks found in the type of occupancy governed by NFPA 30A Also any facility meeting the requirements of NFPA 30A is considered to be in compliance withNFPA 30 Please understand that this response to your inquiry is a personal opinion and does notconstitute a Formal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 ofNFPArsquos Regulations Governing Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitivelydetermine compliance with any laws ordinances rules or regulations To determine theadequacy or safety of any device or installation you should consult with an appropriateprofessional To determine legal compliance you should refer to the appropriate authorityhaving jurisdiction or seek legal advice I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will behappy to assist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPARegulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarilyrepresent the official position of the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition thiscorrespondence is neither intended nor should it be relied upon to provide professional consultation orservices cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg If you have a reported fire in your home the risk of dyingdecreases by about 80 percent when sprinklers are present

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wwwfiresprinklerinitiativeorgNotice The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for theexclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential andor privileged information If you are not the intendedrecipient please notify Robert Benedetti immediately by replying to the message or by calling (617) 984-7433 Please deletethis message and any attachments from your system Thank you

From Bill Hickman [mailtoBillHickmanstatecous] Sent Tuesday December 01 2009 939 AMTo Benedetti BobSubject Inquiry NFPA 30A - Storage of Liquids Inside Buildings Mr Benedetti Id appreciate your interpretation on an item regarding aboveground tanks storing lubricants (newused oil) inside abuilding at a repair garage NFPA 30A 439 does not include specific spacing requirements for tanks inside buildings Where there are multiple tanks being stored inside the building is there no minimum separation distance requirementthat must be met or do the requirements of Table 4324 apply Thank you in advance for your assistance __________________________________ Bill HickmanInspectorTechnical SpecialistCO Division of Oil amp Public Safety303-378-5090

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From Benedetti BobTo Peznowski EdwardCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Thursday September 03 2009 30455 PM

Hi Ed The 1996 edition of the Flammable and Combustible Liquids Code Handbook was the last one prior to thecurrent 2008 edition The commentary hasnrsquot changed My recollection of the development of this text is that the intent of NFPA 30A Code for Motor FuelDispensing Facilities and Repair Garages is to isolate the motor fuel dispensing area and its attendanthazard completely from the rest of the structure regardless of what else might be in the structure Subsection 524 assumes that the installation involves a motor fuel dispensing operation inside abuilding where you would not expect to have same such as an office building A bus repair facility wouldbe probably classed as a major repair garage and would be expected to have fueling operations Thehazard of this is in my opinion no greater than the repair operations It could be that the language in Subsection 524 needs to be clarified so that it applies only to situationssuch as I first described Please understand that this response to your inquiry is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 of NFPArsquos RegulationsGoverning Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitively determine compliance with anylaws ordinances rules or regulations To determine the adequacy or safety of any device or installationyou should consult with an appropriate professional To determine legal compliance you should refer tothe appropriate authority having jurisdiction or seek legal advice I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will be happy toassist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarily represent the official positionof the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it berelied upon to provide professional consultation or services cc 30AIFI 30AFAQ AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

Fire Prevention Week is October 4 ndash 10 2009 Visit wwwfirepreventionweekorg or call 800-344-3555 for moreinformation NFPA Seminars - Apply the codes with confidenceRegister at wwwnfpalearnorg NFPA Membership keeps you up-to-dateVisit wwwnfpaorgjoin for more information Or call 800-344-3555Notice The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for the

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exclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential andor privileged information If you are not the intendedrecipient please notify Robert Benedetti immediately by replying to the message or by calling (617) 984-7433 Please deletethis message and any attachments from your system Thank you

From Peznowski Edward [mailtoEdwardPeznowskipostatectus] Sent Monday August 31 2009 127 PMTo Benedetti BobSubject NFPA 30A Hi Bob Sorry to bother you but I need your help and interpretation of the following section of NFPA 30A 2000edition 524 - All piping inside buildings but outside the motor fuel dispensing area shall be enclosed within ahorizontal chase or a vertical shaft used only for this piping Vertical shafts and horizontal chases shall beconstructed of materials having a fire resistance rating of not less than 2 hours Bob I have a bus repair facility being built and we have fuel dispensing area within the building enclosedwith a 2hr fire resistive separation My question is I have diesel fuel piping coming from two tanks locatedoutside of the building the piping runs outside of the dispensing area does this piping need to be enclosed Ihave the proper UL listed system for through wall penetrations My problem lies here I have natural gas heating fuel oil lines for boilers and diesel fuel line for thegenerator all running through the area outside the 2 hour rated dispensing area which are not required to beenclosed My thought is within the 2 hour fire resistive construction I have storage rooms for grease and oil a office forfuel dispensing Any fuel piping running through these areas would be enclosed but once I go outside my 2hrrated enclosure the piping would not have to be enclosed NFPA 30A (1996edition)6-42 - All fuel and flammable vapor piping inside buildings but outside the service station area shall beenclosed within a horizontal chase or a vertical shaft used only for this piping Vertical shafts and horizontalchases shall be constructed of materials having a fire resistance rating of not less than 2 hoursCOMMENTARY 6-42 The intent of this requirement is to preserve the isolation of the service stationoperation from the rest of the building I donrsquot have the 2000 handbook for commentary Thanks Bob Edward J PeznowskiFire amp Life Safety SpecialistBureau of EngineeringOffice State Fire Marshal860-685-8350

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From Benedetti BobTo Hamilton James P (HOY)Cc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiSubject Inquiry NFPA 30A-2008Date Monday September 14 2009 115041 AM

Good morning Mr Hamilton The intent of this particular provision of Subsection 672 of NFPA 30A Code for Motor Fuel DispensingFacilities and Repair Garages is to ensure that the patron has access to a second disconnect if he or shecannot reach the primary disconnect ie the one that is between 20 and 100 feet from the dispenser In my opinion all of the emergency disconnects required by Section 67 must be at least 20 ft but normore than 100 ft from the nearest dispenser Please understand that this response to your inquiry is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 of NFPArsquos RegulationsGoverning Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitively determine compliance with anylaws ordinances rules or regulations To determine the adequacy or safety of any device or installationyou should consult with an appropriate professional To determine legal compliance you should refer tothe appropriate authority having jurisdiction or seek legal advice I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will be happy toassist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarily represent the official positionof the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it berelied upon to provide professional consultation or services cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

Fire Prevention Week is October 4 ndash 10 2009 Visit wwwfirepreventionweekorg or call 800-344-3555 for moreinformation NFPA Seminars - Apply the codes with confidenceRegister at wwwnfpalearnorg NFPA Membership keeps you up-to-dateVisit wwwnfpaorgjoin for more information Or call 800-344-3555Notice The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for theexclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential andor privileged information If you are not the intendedrecipient please notify Robert Benedetti immediately by replying to the message or by calling (617) 984-7433 Please deletethis message and any attachments from your system Thank you

From Hamilton James P (HOY) [mailtoHAMILTONJPbechteljacobsorg] Sent Thursday September 10 2009 1224 PMTo Benedetti BobSubject NFPA 30A 2008 Edition

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Importance High

NFPA 30A 672 states at least one additional device or disconnect shall be readily accessible toeach group of dispensing devices on an individual island Our installation does not have islands Should the second emergency shutoff be installed close to the pumps or between 20 and 100 ofthe pumps

Please respond back via email hamiltonjpbechteljacobsorg

Thanks

NFPA 127130 James P Hamilton CFPSTetraTek Inc - Fire Safety TechnologiesFire Protection LeadK-27 Pre-Demo Project 790 Emory Valley Rd 811 Oak Ridge TN 37830 ETTP Office 865-241-1902

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From Benedetti BobTo Scott DavonskiCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Tuesday August 04 2009 92429 AM

Good morning Mr Davonski My opinion is that the intent of the requirement in Subsection 1141 of NFPA 30A Code for Motor FuelDispensing Facilities and Repair Garages is that any hose longer than 18 feet should not simply bestrung along the dockrsquos surface Using a reel would be one means of securing the hose although Irsquomsure other methods such as hangers would work as well Please understand that this response to your inquiry is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 of NFPArsquos RegulationsGoverning Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitively determine compliance with anylaws ordinances rules or regulations To determine the adequacy or safety of any device or installationyou should consult with an appropriate professional To determine legal compliance you should refer tothe appropriate authority having jurisdiction or seek legal advice I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will be happy toassist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarily represent the official positionof the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it berelied upon to provide professional consultation or services cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

Fire Prevention Week is October 4 ndash 10 2009 Visit wwwfirepreventionweekorg or call 800-344-3555 for moreinformation NFPA Seminars - Apply the codes with confidenceRegister at wwwnfpalearnorg NFPA Membership keeps you up-to-dateVisit wwwnfpaorgjoin for more information Or call 800-344-3555Notice The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for theexclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential andor privileged information If you are not the intendedrecipient please notify Robert Benedetti immediately by replying to the message or by calling (617) 984-7433 Please deletethis message and any attachments from your system Thank you

From Scott Davonski [mailtodavonskiRiverheadlicom] Sent Wednesday July 22 2009 1118 AMTo Benedetti BobSubject 30A clarification

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1141 All hose shall be listed Where hose length exceeds 55 m (18 ft) the hose shall besecured so as to protect it from damage Can you provide clarification as to what is meant by ldquosecured so as to protect it fromdamagerdquo Is the standard looking not to have the hoses on the dock In a reel Any clarificationinformation would be appreciated Scott W DavonskiChief Fire MarshalTown of RiverheadP- 631-727-3200 ext 209F- 631-727-3370

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Page 49: TECHNICAL COMMITTEE ON AUTOMOTIVE and MARINE … · SUBJECT: Agenda for ROC Meeting – October 4, 2010 _____ Ladies and Gentlemen: Attached is the Agenda for the NFPA 30A Report

I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will be happy toassist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarily represent the official positionof the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it berelied upon to provide professional consultation or services cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

Fire Prevention Week is October 4 ndash 10 2009 Visit wwwfirepreventionweekorg or call 800-344-3555 for moreinformation NFPA Seminars - Apply the codes with confidenceRegister at wwwnfpalearnorg NFPA Membership keeps you up-to-dateVisit wwwnfpaorgjoin for more information Or call 800-344-3555Notice The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for theexclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential andor privileged information If you are not the intendedrecipient please notify Robert Benedetti immediately by replying to the message or by calling (617) 984-7433 Please deletethis message and any attachments from your system Thank you Considering the variables in the sections referenced above are the setbacks in Table 4324 intended toapply to Class IIIA andor Class IIIB liquids for public fueling

From Schall Sheldon - COMMERCE [mailtoSheldonSchallWisconsingov] Sent Wednesday September 30 2009 832 AMTo Benedetti BobSubject NFPA 30A-4324 inquiry - URGENT Section 30A-4323 limits tank storage capacity for Class I and II No limit for Class IIIA or IIIB trueSection 30A-4324 refers to setbacks in Table 4324 No indication that these setbacks are specific toor exclude any class of flammable or combustible so it appears that the setbacks apply to Class I -Class IIIB liquids This table appears to conflict with the previous section for Class IIIA amp IIIB liquids Also trueSection 30A-4325 allows an increased capacity for Class II and III liquids at fleet facilities Thisappears to conflict with section 4323 for Class III liquids which didnt have a capacity limit to startwith Either one or the other needs to changeSection 30A-4327 addresses dispensing from an aboveground tank for Class I and II liquids based uponspecific conditions Need to cover IIIBSection 30A-4328 refers to NFPA 30-2171 for spill and overfill This section only applies to class Iand II liquids Class IIIs need to be specifically addressed Considering the variables in the sections referenced above are the setbacks in Table 4324 intended toapply to Class IIIA andor Class IIIB liquids for public fueling

bbenedetti
Text Box
Table 4324 -13 Distance to Vehicle

From Benedetti BobTo Bill HickmanCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Monday December 14 2009 50332 PM

Good afternoon Mr Hickman To answer your question the separation distances in Table 4324 of NFPA 30A Code for MotorFuel Dispensing Facilities and Repair Garages are intended to apply to outside abovegroundstorage tanks for fuel where such is allowed The tanks inside a service station building majorrepair garage or minor repair garage would likely be handling Class IIIB liquids (flash point gt200 degF) only in accordance with Subsection 4392 of NFPA 30A Subsection 4392 does not set any specific requirements for separation between tanks inside abuilding although it does refer back to Chapters 21 through 23 of NFPA 30 Flammable andCombustible Liquids Code Shell-to-shell spacing distances for aboveground tanks areestablished in Table 22421 Table 22421 is intended for much large tanks than one wouldfind in a repair garage or ldquolube-onlyrdquo facility For example the minimum separation for tanksstoring Class IIIB liquids is 3 feet as set forth in 224212 But again the separationdistances in Chapter 22 of NFPA 30 are intended for tank farm application not for the muchsmaller tanks found in the type of occupancy governed by NFPA 30A Also any facility meeting the requirements of NFPA 30A is considered to be in compliance withNFPA 30 Please understand that this response to your inquiry is a personal opinion and does notconstitute a Formal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 ofNFPArsquos Regulations Governing Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitivelydetermine compliance with any laws ordinances rules or regulations To determine theadequacy or safety of any device or installation you should consult with an appropriateprofessional To determine legal compliance you should refer to the appropriate authorityhaving jurisdiction or seek legal advice I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will behappy to assist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPARegulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarilyrepresent the official position of the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition thiscorrespondence is neither intended nor should it be relied upon to provide professional consultation orservices cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg If you have a reported fire in your home the risk of dyingdecreases by about 80 percent when sprinklers are present

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wwwfiresprinklerinitiativeorgNotice The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for theexclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential andor privileged information If you are not the intendedrecipient please notify Robert Benedetti immediately by replying to the message or by calling (617) 984-7433 Please deletethis message and any attachments from your system Thank you

From Bill Hickman [mailtoBillHickmanstatecous] Sent Tuesday December 01 2009 939 AMTo Benedetti BobSubject Inquiry NFPA 30A - Storage of Liquids Inside Buildings Mr Benedetti Id appreciate your interpretation on an item regarding aboveground tanks storing lubricants (newused oil) inside abuilding at a repair garage NFPA 30A 439 does not include specific spacing requirements for tanks inside buildings Where there are multiple tanks being stored inside the building is there no minimum separation distance requirementthat must be met or do the requirements of Table 4324 apply Thank you in advance for your assistance __________________________________ Bill HickmanInspectorTechnical SpecialistCO Division of Oil amp Public Safety303-378-5090

bbenedetti
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Text Box
4393

From Benedetti BobTo Peznowski EdwardCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Thursday September 03 2009 30455 PM

Hi Ed The 1996 edition of the Flammable and Combustible Liquids Code Handbook was the last one prior to thecurrent 2008 edition The commentary hasnrsquot changed My recollection of the development of this text is that the intent of NFPA 30A Code for Motor FuelDispensing Facilities and Repair Garages is to isolate the motor fuel dispensing area and its attendanthazard completely from the rest of the structure regardless of what else might be in the structure Subsection 524 assumes that the installation involves a motor fuel dispensing operation inside abuilding where you would not expect to have same such as an office building A bus repair facility wouldbe probably classed as a major repair garage and would be expected to have fueling operations Thehazard of this is in my opinion no greater than the repair operations It could be that the language in Subsection 524 needs to be clarified so that it applies only to situationssuch as I first described Please understand that this response to your inquiry is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 of NFPArsquos RegulationsGoverning Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitively determine compliance with anylaws ordinances rules or regulations To determine the adequacy or safety of any device or installationyou should consult with an appropriate professional To determine legal compliance you should refer tothe appropriate authority having jurisdiction or seek legal advice I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will be happy toassist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarily represent the official positionof the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it berelied upon to provide professional consultation or services cc 30AIFI 30AFAQ AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

Fire Prevention Week is October 4 ndash 10 2009 Visit wwwfirepreventionweekorg or call 800-344-3555 for moreinformation NFPA Seminars - Apply the codes with confidenceRegister at wwwnfpalearnorg NFPA Membership keeps you up-to-dateVisit wwwnfpaorgjoin for more information Or call 800-344-3555Notice The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for the

bbenedetti
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exclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential andor privileged information If you are not the intendedrecipient please notify Robert Benedetti immediately by replying to the message or by calling (617) 984-7433 Please deletethis message and any attachments from your system Thank you

From Peznowski Edward [mailtoEdwardPeznowskipostatectus] Sent Monday August 31 2009 127 PMTo Benedetti BobSubject NFPA 30A Hi Bob Sorry to bother you but I need your help and interpretation of the following section of NFPA 30A 2000edition 524 - All piping inside buildings but outside the motor fuel dispensing area shall be enclosed within ahorizontal chase or a vertical shaft used only for this piping Vertical shafts and horizontal chases shall beconstructed of materials having a fire resistance rating of not less than 2 hours Bob I have a bus repair facility being built and we have fuel dispensing area within the building enclosedwith a 2hr fire resistive separation My question is I have diesel fuel piping coming from two tanks locatedoutside of the building the piping runs outside of the dispensing area does this piping need to be enclosed Ihave the proper UL listed system for through wall penetrations My problem lies here I have natural gas heating fuel oil lines for boilers and diesel fuel line for thegenerator all running through the area outside the 2 hour rated dispensing area which are not required to beenclosed My thought is within the 2 hour fire resistive construction I have storage rooms for grease and oil a office forfuel dispensing Any fuel piping running through these areas would be enclosed but once I go outside my 2hrrated enclosure the piping would not have to be enclosed NFPA 30A (1996edition)6-42 - All fuel and flammable vapor piping inside buildings but outside the service station area shall beenclosed within a horizontal chase or a vertical shaft used only for this piping Vertical shafts and horizontalchases shall be constructed of materials having a fire resistance rating of not less than 2 hoursCOMMENTARY 6-42 The intent of this requirement is to preserve the isolation of the service stationoperation from the rest of the building I donrsquot have the 2000 handbook for commentary Thanks Bob Edward J PeznowskiFire amp Life Safety SpecialistBureau of EngineeringOffice State Fire Marshal860-685-8350

bbenedetti
Text Box
67

From Benedetti BobTo Hamilton James P (HOY)Cc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiSubject Inquiry NFPA 30A-2008Date Monday September 14 2009 115041 AM

Good morning Mr Hamilton The intent of this particular provision of Subsection 672 of NFPA 30A Code for Motor Fuel DispensingFacilities and Repair Garages is to ensure that the patron has access to a second disconnect if he or shecannot reach the primary disconnect ie the one that is between 20 and 100 feet from the dispenser In my opinion all of the emergency disconnects required by Section 67 must be at least 20 ft but normore than 100 ft from the nearest dispenser Please understand that this response to your inquiry is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 of NFPArsquos RegulationsGoverning Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitively determine compliance with anylaws ordinances rules or regulations To determine the adequacy or safety of any device or installationyou should consult with an appropriate professional To determine legal compliance you should refer tothe appropriate authority having jurisdiction or seek legal advice I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will be happy toassist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarily represent the official positionof the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it berelied upon to provide professional consultation or services cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

Fire Prevention Week is October 4 ndash 10 2009 Visit wwwfirepreventionweekorg or call 800-344-3555 for moreinformation NFPA Seminars - Apply the codes with confidenceRegister at wwwnfpalearnorg NFPA Membership keeps you up-to-dateVisit wwwnfpaorgjoin for more information Or call 800-344-3555Notice The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for theexclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential andor privileged information If you are not the intendedrecipient please notify Robert Benedetti immediately by replying to the message or by calling (617) 984-7433 Please deletethis message and any attachments from your system Thank you

From Hamilton James P (HOY) [mailtoHAMILTONJPbechteljacobsorg] Sent Thursday September 10 2009 1224 PMTo Benedetti BobSubject NFPA 30A 2008 Edition

bbenedetti
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672

Importance High

NFPA 30A 672 states at least one additional device or disconnect shall be readily accessible toeach group of dispensing devices on an individual island Our installation does not have islands Should the second emergency shutoff be installed close to the pumps or between 20 and 100 ofthe pumps

Please respond back via email hamiltonjpbechteljacobsorg

Thanks

NFPA 127130 James P Hamilton CFPSTetraTek Inc - Fire Safety TechnologiesFire Protection LeadK-27 Pre-Demo Project 790 Emory Valley Rd 811 Oak Ridge TN 37830 ETTP Office 865-241-1902

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From Benedetti BobTo Scott DavonskiCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Tuesday August 04 2009 92429 AM

Good morning Mr Davonski My opinion is that the intent of the requirement in Subsection 1141 of NFPA 30A Code for Motor FuelDispensing Facilities and Repair Garages is that any hose longer than 18 feet should not simply bestrung along the dockrsquos surface Using a reel would be one means of securing the hose although Irsquomsure other methods such as hangers would work as well Please understand that this response to your inquiry is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 of NFPArsquos RegulationsGoverning Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitively determine compliance with anylaws ordinances rules or regulations To determine the adequacy or safety of any device or installationyou should consult with an appropriate professional To determine legal compliance you should refer tothe appropriate authority having jurisdiction or seek legal advice I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will be happy toassist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarily represent the official positionof the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it berelied upon to provide professional consultation or services cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

Fire Prevention Week is October 4 ndash 10 2009 Visit wwwfirepreventionweekorg or call 800-344-3555 for moreinformation NFPA Seminars - Apply the codes with confidenceRegister at wwwnfpalearnorg NFPA Membership keeps you up-to-dateVisit wwwnfpaorgjoin for more information Or call 800-344-3555Notice The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for theexclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential andor privileged information If you are not the intendedrecipient please notify Robert Benedetti immediately by replying to the message or by calling (617) 984-7433 Please deletethis message and any attachments from your system Thank you

From Scott Davonski [mailtodavonskiRiverheadlicom] Sent Wednesday July 22 2009 1118 AMTo Benedetti BobSubject 30A clarification

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1141 All hose shall be listed Where hose length exceeds 55 m (18 ft) the hose shall besecured so as to protect it from damage Can you provide clarification as to what is meant by ldquosecured so as to protect it fromdamagerdquo Is the standard looking not to have the hoses on the dock In a reel Any clarificationinformation would be appreciated Scott W DavonskiChief Fire MarshalTown of RiverheadP- 631-727-3200 ext 209F- 631-727-3370

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From Benedetti BobTo Bill HickmanCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Monday December 14 2009 50332 PM

Good afternoon Mr Hickman To answer your question the separation distances in Table 4324 of NFPA 30A Code for MotorFuel Dispensing Facilities and Repair Garages are intended to apply to outside abovegroundstorage tanks for fuel where such is allowed The tanks inside a service station building majorrepair garage or minor repair garage would likely be handling Class IIIB liquids (flash point gt200 degF) only in accordance with Subsection 4392 of NFPA 30A Subsection 4392 does not set any specific requirements for separation between tanks inside abuilding although it does refer back to Chapters 21 through 23 of NFPA 30 Flammable andCombustible Liquids Code Shell-to-shell spacing distances for aboveground tanks areestablished in Table 22421 Table 22421 is intended for much large tanks than one wouldfind in a repair garage or ldquolube-onlyrdquo facility For example the minimum separation for tanksstoring Class IIIB liquids is 3 feet as set forth in 224212 But again the separationdistances in Chapter 22 of NFPA 30 are intended for tank farm application not for the muchsmaller tanks found in the type of occupancy governed by NFPA 30A Also any facility meeting the requirements of NFPA 30A is considered to be in compliance withNFPA 30 Please understand that this response to your inquiry is a personal opinion and does notconstitute a Formal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 ofNFPArsquos Regulations Governing Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitivelydetermine compliance with any laws ordinances rules or regulations To determine theadequacy or safety of any device or installation you should consult with an appropriateprofessional To determine legal compliance you should refer to the appropriate authorityhaving jurisdiction or seek legal advice I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will behappy to assist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPARegulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarilyrepresent the official position of the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition thiscorrespondence is neither intended nor should it be relied upon to provide professional consultation orservices cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg If you have a reported fire in your home the risk of dyingdecreases by about 80 percent when sprinklers are present

bbenedetti
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4324 amp 4392

wwwfiresprinklerinitiativeorgNotice The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for theexclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential andor privileged information If you are not the intendedrecipient please notify Robert Benedetti immediately by replying to the message or by calling (617) 984-7433 Please deletethis message and any attachments from your system Thank you

From Bill Hickman [mailtoBillHickmanstatecous] Sent Tuesday December 01 2009 939 AMTo Benedetti BobSubject Inquiry NFPA 30A - Storage of Liquids Inside Buildings Mr Benedetti Id appreciate your interpretation on an item regarding aboveground tanks storing lubricants (newused oil) inside abuilding at a repair garage NFPA 30A 439 does not include specific spacing requirements for tanks inside buildings Where there are multiple tanks being stored inside the building is there no minimum separation distance requirementthat must be met or do the requirements of Table 4324 apply Thank you in advance for your assistance __________________________________ Bill HickmanInspectorTechnical SpecialistCO Division of Oil amp Public Safety303-378-5090

bbenedetti
Text Box
4393
bbenedetti
Text Box
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From Benedetti BobTo Peznowski EdwardCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Thursday September 03 2009 30455 PM

Hi Ed The 1996 edition of the Flammable and Combustible Liquids Code Handbook was the last one prior to thecurrent 2008 edition The commentary hasnrsquot changed My recollection of the development of this text is that the intent of NFPA 30A Code for Motor FuelDispensing Facilities and Repair Garages is to isolate the motor fuel dispensing area and its attendanthazard completely from the rest of the structure regardless of what else might be in the structure Subsection 524 assumes that the installation involves a motor fuel dispensing operation inside abuilding where you would not expect to have same such as an office building A bus repair facility wouldbe probably classed as a major repair garage and would be expected to have fueling operations Thehazard of this is in my opinion no greater than the repair operations It could be that the language in Subsection 524 needs to be clarified so that it applies only to situationssuch as I first described Please understand that this response to your inquiry is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 of NFPArsquos RegulationsGoverning Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitively determine compliance with anylaws ordinances rules or regulations To determine the adequacy or safety of any device or installationyou should consult with an appropriate professional To determine legal compliance you should refer tothe appropriate authority having jurisdiction or seek legal advice I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will be happy toassist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarily represent the official positionof the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it berelied upon to provide professional consultation or services cc 30AIFI 30AFAQ AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

Fire Prevention Week is October 4 ndash 10 2009 Visit wwwfirepreventionweekorg or call 800-344-3555 for moreinformation NFPA Seminars - Apply the codes with confidenceRegister at wwwnfpalearnorg NFPA Membership keeps you up-to-dateVisit wwwnfpaorgjoin for more information Or call 800-344-3555Notice The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for the

bbenedetti
Text Box
524

exclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential andor privileged information If you are not the intendedrecipient please notify Robert Benedetti immediately by replying to the message or by calling (617) 984-7433 Please deletethis message and any attachments from your system Thank you

From Peznowski Edward [mailtoEdwardPeznowskipostatectus] Sent Monday August 31 2009 127 PMTo Benedetti BobSubject NFPA 30A Hi Bob Sorry to bother you but I need your help and interpretation of the following section of NFPA 30A 2000edition 524 - All piping inside buildings but outside the motor fuel dispensing area shall be enclosed within ahorizontal chase or a vertical shaft used only for this piping Vertical shafts and horizontal chases shall beconstructed of materials having a fire resistance rating of not less than 2 hours Bob I have a bus repair facility being built and we have fuel dispensing area within the building enclosedwith a 2hr fire resistive separation My question is I have diesel fuel piping coming from two tanks locatedoutside of the building the piping runs outside of the dispensing area does this piping need to be enclosed Ihave the proper UL listed system for through wall penetrations My problem lies here I have natural gas heating fuel oil lines for boilers and diesel fuel line for thegenerator all running through the area outside the 2 hour rated dispensing area which are not required to beenclosed My thought is within the 2 hour fire resistive construction I have storage rooms for grease and oil a office forfuel dispensing Any fuel piping running through these areas would be enclosed but once I go outside my 2hrrated enclosure the piping would not have to be enclosed NFPA 30A (1996edition)6-42 - All fuel and flammable vapor piping inside buildings but outside the service station area shall beenclosed within a horizontal chase or a vertical shaft used only for this piping Vertical shafts and horizontalchases shall be constructed of materials having a fire resistance rating of not less than 2 hoursCOMMENTARY 6-42 The intent of this requirement is to preserve the isolation of the service stationoperation from the rest of the building I donrsquot have the 2000 handbook for commentary Thanks Bob Edward J PeznowskiFire amp Life Safety SpecialistBureau of EngineeringOffice State Fire Marshal860-685-8350

bbenedetti
Text Box
67

From Benedetti BobTo Hamilton James P (HOY)Cc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiSubject Inquiry NFPA 30A-2008Date Monday September 14 2009 115041 AM

Good morning Mr Hamilton The intent of this particular provision of Subsection 672 of NFPA 30A Code for Motor Fuel DispensingFacilities and Repair Garages is to ensure that the patron has access to a second disconnect if he or shecannot reach the primary disconnect ie the one that is between 20 and 100 feet from the dispenser In my opinion all of the emergency disconnects required by Section 67 must be at least 20 ft but normore than 100 ft from the nearest dispenser Please understand that this response to your inquiry is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 of NFPArsquos RegulationsGoverning Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitively determine compliance with anylaws ordinances rules or regulations To determine the adequacy or safety of any device or installationyou should consult with an appropriate professional To determine legal compliance you should refer tothe appropriate authority having jurisdiction or seek legal advice I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will be happy toassist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarily represent the official positionof the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it berelied upon to provide professional consultation or services cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

Fire Prevention Week is October 4 ndash 10 2009 Visit wwwfirepreventionweekorg or call 800-344-3555 for moreinformation NFPA Seminars - Apply the codes with confidenceRegister at wwwnfpalearnorg NFPA Membership keeps you up-to-dateVisit wwwnfpaorgjoin for more information Or call 800-344-3555Notice The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for theexclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential andor privileged information If you are not the intendedrecipient please notify Robert Benedetti immediately by replying to the message or by calling (617) 984-7433 Please deletethis message and any attachments from your system Thank you

From Hamilton James P (HOY) [mailtoHAMILTONJPbechteljacobsorg] Sent Thursday September 10 2009 1224 PMTo Benedetti BobSubject NFPA 30A 2008 Edition

bbenedetti
Text Box
672

Importance High

NFPA 30A 672 states at least one additional device or disconnect shall be readily accessible toeach group of dispensing devices on an individual island Our installation does not have islands Should the second emergency shutoff be installed close to the pumps or between 20 and 100 ofthe pumps

Please respond back via email hamiltonjpbechteljacobsorg

Thanks

NFPA 127130 James P Hamilton CFPSTetraTek Inc - Fire Safety TechnologiesFire Protection LeadK-27 Pre-Demo Project 790 Emory Valley Rd 811 Oak Ridge TN 37830 ETTP Office 865-241-1902

bbenedetti
Text Box
76
bbenedetti
Text Box
831

From Benedetti BobTo Scott DavonskiCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Tuesday August 04 2009 92429 AM

Good morning Mr Davonski My opinion is that the intent of the requirement in Subsection 1141 of NFPA 30A Code for Motor FuelDispensing Facilities and Repair Garages is that any hose longer than 18 feet should not simply bestrung along the dockrsquos surface Using a reel would be one means of securing the hose although Irsquomsure other methods such as hangers would work as well Please understand that this response to your inquiry is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 of NFPArsquos RegulationsGoverning Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitively determine compliance with anylaws ordinances rules or regulations To determine the adequacy or safety of any device or installationyou should consult with an appropriate professional To determine legal compliance you should refer tothe appropriate authority having jurisdiction or seek legal advice I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will be happy toassist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarily represent the official positionof the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it berelied upon to provide professional consultation or services cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

Fire Prevention Week is October 4 ndash 10 2009 Visit wwwfirepreventionweekorg or call 800-344-3555 for moreinformation NFPA Seminars - Apply the codes with confidenceRegister at wwwnfpalearnorg NFPA Membership keeps you up-to-dateVisit wwwnfpaorgjoin for more information Or call 800-344-3555Notice The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for theexclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential andor privileged information If you are not the intendedrecipient please notify Robert Benedetti immediately by replying to the message or by calling (617) 984-7433 Please deletethis message and any attachments from your system Thank you

From Scott Davonski [mailtodavonskiRiverheadlicom] Sent Wednesday July 22 2009 1118 AMTo Benedetti BobSubject 30A clarification

bbenedetti
Text Box
1141

1141 All hose shall be listed Where hose length exceeds 55 m (18 ft) the hose shall besecured so as to protect it from damage Can you provide clarification as to what is meant by ldquosecured so as to protect it fromdamagerdquo Is the standard looking not to have the hoses on the dock In a reel Any clarificationinformation would be appreciated Scott W DavonskiChief Fire MarshalTown of RiverheadP- 631-727-3200 ext 209F- 631-727-3370

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ATTACHMENT No A10
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From Benedetti BobTo Bill HickmanCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Monday December 14 2009 50332 PM

Good afternoon Mr Hickman To answer your question the separation distances in Table 4324 of NFPA 30A Code for MotorFuel Dispensing Facilities and Repair Garages are intended to apply to outside abovegroundstorage tanks for fuel where such is allowed The tanks inside a service station building majorrepair garage or minor repair garage would likely be handling Class IIIB liquids (flash point gt200 degF) only in accordance with Subsection 4392 of NFPA 30A Subsection 4392 does not set any specific requirements for separation between tanks inside abuilding although it does refer back to Chapters 21 through 23 of NFPA 30 Flammable andCombustible Liquids Code Shell-to-shell spacing distances for aboveground tanks areestablished in Table 22421 Table 22421 is intended for much large tanks than one wouldfind in a repair garage or ldquolube-onlyrdquo facility For example the minimum separation for tanksstoring Class IIIB liquids is 3 feet as set forth in 224212 But again the separationdistances in Chapter 22 of NFPA 30 are intended for tank farm application not for the muchsmaller tanks found in the type of occupancy governed by NFPA 30A Also any facility meeting the requirements of NFPA 30A is considered to be in compliance withNFPA 30 Please understand that this response to your inquiry is a personal opinion and does notconstitute a Formal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 ofNFPArsquos Regulations Governing Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitivelydetermine compliance with any laws ordinances rules or regulations To determine theadequacy or safety of any device or installation you should consult with an appropriateprofessional To determine legal compliance you should refer to the appropriate authorityhaving jurisdiction or seek legal advice I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will behappy to assist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPARegulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarilyrepresent the official position of the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition thiscorrespondence is neither intended nor should it be relied upon to provide professional consultation orservices cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg If you have a reported fire in your home the risk of dyingdecreases by about 80 percent when sprinklers are present

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wwwfiresprinklerinitiativeorgNotice The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for theexclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential andor privileged information If you are not the intendedrecipient please notify Robert Benedetti immediately by replying to the message or by calling (617) 984-7433 Please deletethis message and any attachments from your system Thank you

From Bill Hickman [mailtoBillHickmanstatecous] Sent Tuesday December 01 2009 939 AMTo Benedetti BobSubject Inquiry NFPA 30A - Storage of Liquids Inside Buildings Mr Benedetti Id appreciate your interpretation on an item regarding aboveground tanks storing lubricants (newused oil) inside abuilding at a repair garage NFPA 30A 439 does not include specific spacing requirements for tanks inside buildings Where there are multiple tanks being stored inside the building is there no minimum separation distance requirementthat must be met or do the requirements of Table 4324 apply Thank you in advance for your assistance __________________________________ Bill HickmanInspectorTechnical SpecialistCO Division of Oil amp Public Safety303-378-5090

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From Benedetti BobTo Peznowski EdwardCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Thursday September 03 2009 30455 PM

Hi Ed The 1996 edition of the Flammable and Combustible Liquids Code Handbook was the last one prior to thecurrent 2008 edition The commentary hasnrsquot changed My recollection of the development of this text is that the intent of NFPA 30A Code for Motor FuelDispensing Facilities and Repair Garages is to isolate the motor fuel dispensing area and its attendanthazard completely from the rest of the structure regardless of what else might be in the structure Subsection 524 assumes that the installation involves a motor fuel dispensing operation inside abuilding where you would not expect to have same such as an office building A bus repair facility wouldbe probably classed as a major repair garage and would be expected to have fueling operations Thehazard of this is in my opinion no greater than the repair operations It could be that the language in Subsection 524 needs to be clarified so that it applies only to situationssuch as I first described Please understand that this response to your inquiry is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 of NFPArsquos RegulationsGoverning Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitively determine compliance with anylaws ordinances rules or regulations To determine the adequacy or safety of any device or installationyou should consult with an appropriate professional To determine legal compliance you should refer tothe appropriate authority having jurisdiction or seek legal advice I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will be happy toassist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarily represent the official positionof the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it berelied upon to provide professional consultation or services cc 30AIFI 30AFAQ AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

Fire Prevention Week is October 4 ndash 10 2009 Visit wwwfirepreventionweekorg or call 800-344-3555 for moreinformation NFPA Seminars - Apply the codes with confidenceRegister at wwwnfpalearnorg NFPA Membership keeps you up-to-dateVisit wwwnfpaorgjoin for more information Or call 800-344-3555Notice The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for the

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exclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential andor privileged information If you are not the intendedrecipient please notify Robert Benedetti immediately by replying to the message or by calling (617) 984-7433 Please deletethis message and any attachments from your system Thank you

From Peznowski Edward [mailtoEdwardPeznowskipostatectus] Sent Monday August 31 2009 127 PMTo Benedetti BobSubject NFPA 30A Hi Bob Sorry to bother you but I need your help and interpretation of the following section of NFPA 30A 2000edition 524 - All piping inside buildings but outside the motor fuel dispensing area shall be enclosed within ahorizontal chase or a vertical shaft used only for this piping Vertical shafts and horizontal chases shall beconstructed of materials having a fire resistance rating of not less than 2 hours Bob I have a bus repair facility being built and we have fuel dispensing area within the building enclosedwith a 2hr fire resistive separation My question is I have diesel fuel piping coming from two tanks locatedoutside of the building the piping runs outside of the dispensing area does this piping need to be enclosed Ihave the proper UL listed system for through wall penetrations My problem lies here I have natural gas heating fuel oil lines for boilers and diesel fuel line for thegenerator all running through the area outside the 2 hour rated dispensing area which are not required to beenclosed My thought is within the 2 hour fire resistive construction I have storage rooms for grease and oil a office forfuel dispensing Any fuel piping running through these areas would be enclosed but once I go outside my 2hrrated enclosure the piping would not have to be enclosed NFPA 30A (1996edition)6-42 - All fuel and flammable vapor piping inside buildings but outside the service station area shall beenclosed within a horizontal chase or a vertical shaft used only for this piping Vertical shafts and horizontalchases shall be constructed of materials having a fire resistance rating of not less than 2 hoursCOMMENTARY 6-42 The intent of this requirement is to preserve the isolation of the service stationoperation from the rest of the building I donrsquot have the 2000 handbook for commentary Thanks Bob Edward J PeznowskiFire amp Life Safety SpecialistBureau of EngineeringOffice State Fire Marshal860-685-8350

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From Benedetti BobTo Hamilton James P (HOY)Cc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiSubject Inquiry NFPA 30A-2008Date Monday September 14 2009 115041 AM

Good morning Mr Hamilton The intent of this particular provision of Subsection 672 of NFPA 30A Code for Motor Fuel DispensingFacilities and Repair Garages is to ensure that the patron has access to a second disconnect if he or shecannot reach the primary disconnect ie the one that is between 20 and 100 feet from the dispenser In my opinion all of the emergency disconnects required by Section 67 must be at least 20 ft but normore than 100 ft from the nearest dispenser Please understand that this response to your inquiry is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 of NFPArsquos RegulationsGoverning Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitively determine compliance with anylaws ordinances rules or regulations To determine the adequacy or safety of any device or installationyou should consult with an appropriate professional To determine legal compliance you should refer tothe appropriate authority having jurisdiction or seek legal advice I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will be happy toassist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarily represent the official positionof the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it berelied upon to provide professional consultation or services cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

Fire Prevention Week is October 4 ndash 10 2009 Visit wwwfirepreventionweekorg or call 800-344-3555 for moreinformation NFPA Seminars - Apply the codes with confidenceRegister at wwwnfpalearnorg NFPA Membership keeps you up-to-dateVisit wwwnfpaorgjoin for more information Or call 800-344-3555Notice The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for theexclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential andor privileged information If you are not the intendedrecipient please notify Robert Benedetti immediately by replying to the message or by calling (617) 984-7433 Please deletethis message and any attachments from your system Thank you

From Hamilton James P (HOY) [mailtoHAMILTONJPbechteljacobsorg] Sent Thursday September 10 2009 1224 PMTo Benedetti BobSubject NFPA 30A 2008 Edition

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Importance High

NFPA 30A 672 states at least one additional device or disconnect shall be readily accessible toeach group of dispensing devices on an individual island Our installation does not have islands Should the second emergency shutoff be installed close to the pumps or between 20 and 100 ofthe pumps

Please respond back via email hamiltonjpbechteljacobsorg

Thanks

NFPA 127130 James P Hamilton CFPSTetraTek Inc - Fire Safety TechnologiesFire Protection LeadK-27 Pre-Demo Project 790 Emory Valley Rd 811 Oak Ridge TN 37830 ETTP Office 865-241-1902

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From Benedetti BobTo Scott DavonskiCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Tuesday August 04 2009 92429 AM

Good morning Mr Davonski My opinion is that the intent of the requirement in Subsection 1141 of NFPA 30A Code for Motor FuelDispensing Facilities and Repair Garages is that any hose longer than 18 feet should not simply bestrung along the dockrsquos surface Using a reel would be one means of securing the hose although Irsquomsure other methods such as hangers would work as well Please understand that this response to your inquiry is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 of NFPArsquos RegulationsGoverning Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitively determine compliance with anylaws ordinances rules or regulations To determine the adequacy or safety of any device or installationyou should consult with an appropriate professional To determine legal compliance you should refer tothe appropriate authority having jurisdiction or seek legal advice I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will be happy toassist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarily represent the official positionof the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it berelied upon to provide professional consultation or services cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

Fire Prevention Week is October 4 ndash 10 2009 Visit wwwfirepreventionweekorg or call 800-344-3555 for moreinformation NFPA Seminars - Apply the codes with confidenceRegister at wwwnfpalearnorg NFPA Membership keeps you up-to-dateVisit wwwnfpaorgjoin for more information Or call 800-344-3555Notice The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for theexclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential andor privileged information If you are not the intendedrecipient please notify Robert Benedetti immediately by replying to the message or by calling (617) 984-7433 Please deletethis message and any attachments from your system Thank you

From Scott Davonski [mailtodavonskiRiverheadlicom] Sent Wednesday July 22 2009 1118 AMTo Benedetti BobSubject 30A clarification

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1141 All hose shall be listed Where hose length exceeds 55 m (18 ft) the hose shall besecured so as to protect it from damage Can you provide clarification as to what is meant by ldquosecured so as to protect it fromdamagerdquo Is the standard looking not to have the hoses on the dock In a reel Any clarificationinformation would be appreciated Scott W DavonskiChief Fire MarshalTown of RiverheadP- 631-727-3200 ext 209F- 631-727-3370

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wwwfiresprinklerinitiativeorgNotice The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for theexclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential andor privileged information If you are not the intendedrecipient please notify Robert Benedetti immediately by replying to the message or by calling (617) 984-7433 Please deletethis message and any attachments from your system Thank you

From Bill Hickman [mailtoBillHickmanstatecous] Sent Tuesday December 01 2009 939 AMTo Benedetti BobSubject Inquiry NFPA 30A - Storage of Liquids Inside Buildings Mr Benedetti Id appreciate your interpretation on an item regarding aboveground tanks storing lubricants (newused oil) inside abuilding at a repair garage NFPA 30A 439 does not include specific spacing requirements for tanks inside buildings Where there are multiple tanks being stored inside the building is there no minimum separation distance requirementthat must be met or do the requirements of Table 4324 apply Thank you in advance for your assistance __________________________________ Bill HickmanInspectorTechnical SpecialistCO Division of Oil amp Public Safety303-378-5090

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From Benedetti BobTo Peznowski EdwardCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Thursday September 03 2009 30455 PM

Hi Ed The 1996 edition of the Flammable and Combustible Liquids Code Handbook was the last one prior to thecurrent 2008 edition The commentary hasnrsquot changed My recollection of the development of this text is that the intent of NFPA 30A Code for Motor FuelDispensing Facilities and Repair Garages is to isolate the motor fuel dispensing area and its attendanthazard completely from the rest of the structure regardless of what else might be in the structure Subsection 524 assumes that the installation involves a motor fuel dispensing operation inside abuilding where you would not expect to have same such as an office building A bus repair facility wouldbe probably classed as a major repair garage and would be expected to have fueling operations Thehazard of this is in my opinion no greater than the repair operations It could be that the language in Subsection 524 needs to be clarified so that it applies only to situationssuch as I first described Please understand that this response to your inquiry is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 of NFPArsquos RegulationsGoverning Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitively determine compliance with anylaws ordinances rules or regulations To determine the adequacy or safety of any device or installationyou should consult with an appropriate professional To determine legal compliance you should refer tothe appropriate authority having jurisdiction or seek legal advice I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will be happy toassist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarily represent the official positionof the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it berelied upon to provide professional consultation or services cc 30AIFI 30AFAQ AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

Fire Prevention Week is October 4 ndash 10 2009 Visit wwwfirepreventionweekorg or call 800-344-3555 for moreinformation NFPA Seminars - Apply the codes with confidenceRegister at wwwnfpalearnorg NFPA Membership keeps you up-to-dateVisit wwwnfpaorgjoin for more information Or call 800-344-3555Notice The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for the

bbenedetti
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exclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential andor privileged information If you are not the intendedrecipient please notify Robert Benedetti immediately by replying to the message or by calling (617) 984-7433 Please deletethis message and any attachments from your system Thank you

From Peznowski Edward [mailtoEdwardPeznowskipostatectus] Sent Monday August 31 2009 127 PMTo Benedetti BobSubject NFPA 30A Hi Bob Sorry to bother you but I need your help and interpretation of the following section of NFPA 30A 2000edition 524 - All piping inside buildings but outside the motor fuel dispensing area shall be enclosed within ahorizontal chase or a vertical shaft used only for this piping Vertical shafts and horizontal chases shall beconstructed of materials having a fire resistance rating of not less than 2 hours Bob I have a bus repair facility being built and we have fuel dispensing area within the building enclosedwith a 2hr fire resistive separation My question is I have diesel fuel piping coming from two tanks locatedoutside of the building the piping runs outside of the dispensing area does this piping need to be enclosed Ihave the proper UL listed system for through wall penetrations My problem lies here I have natural gas heating fuel oil lines for boilers and diesel fuel line for thegenerator all running through the area outside the 2 hour rated dispensing area which are not required to beenclosed My thought is within the 2 hour fire resistive construction I have storage rooms for grease and oil a office forfuel dispensing Any fuel piping running through these areas would be enclosed but once I go outside my 2hrrated enclosure the piping would not have to be enclosed NFPA 30A (1996edition)6-42 - All fuel and flammable vapor piping inside buildings but outside the service station area shall beenclosed within a horizontal chase or a vertical shaft used only for this piping Vertical shafts and horizontalchases shall be constructed of materials having a fire resistance rating of not less than 2 hoursCOMMENTARY 6-42 The intent of this requirement is to preserve the isolation of the service stationoperation from the rest of the building I donrsquot have the 2000 handbook for commentary Thanks Bob Edward J PeznowskiFire amp Life Safety SpecialistBureau of EngineeringOffice State Fire Marshal860-685-8350

bbenedetti
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From Benedetti BobTo Hamilton James P (HOY)Cc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiSubject Inquiry NFPA 30A-2008Date Monday September 14 2009 115041 AM

Good morning Mr Hamilton The intent of this particular provision of Subsection 672 of NFPA 30A Code for Motor Fuel DispensingFacilities and Repair Garages is to ensure that the patron has access to a second disconnect if he or shecannot reach the primary disconnect ie the one that is between 20 and 100 feet from the dispenser In my opinion all of the emergency disconnects required by Section 67 must be at least 20 ft but normore than 100 ft from the nearest dispenser Please understand that this response to your inquiry is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 of NFPArsquos RegulationsGoverning Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitively determine compliance with anylaws ordinances rules or regulations To determine the adequacy or safety of any device or installationyou should consult with an appropriate professional To determine legal compliance you should refer tothe appropriate authority having jurisdiction or seek legal advice I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will be happy toassist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarily represent the official positionof the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it berelied upon to provide professional consultation or services cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

Fire Prevention Week is October 4 ndash 10 2009 Visit wwwfirepreventionweekorg or call 800-344-3555 for moreinformation NFPA Seminars - Apply the codes with confidenceRegister at wwwnfpalearnorg NFPA Membership keeps you up-to-dateVisit wwwnfpaorgjoin for more information Or call 800-344-3555Notice The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for theexclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential andor privileged information If you are not the intendedrecipient please notify Robert Benedetti immediately by replying to the message or by calling (617) 984-7433 Please deletethis message and any attachments from your system Thank you

From Hamilton James P (HOY) [mailtoHAMILTONJPbechteljacobsorg] Sent Thursday September 10 2009 1224 PMTo Benedetti BobSubject NFPA 30A 2008 Edition

bbenedetti
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672

Importance High

NFPA 30A 672 states at least one additional device or disconnect shall be readily accessible toeach group of dispensing devices on an individual island Our installation does not have islands Should the second emergency shutoff be installed close to the pumps or between 20 and 100 ofthe pumps

Please respond back via email hamiltonjpbechteljacobsorg

Thanks

NFPA 127130 James P Hamilton CFPSTetraTek Inc - Fire Safety TechnologiesFire Protection LeadK-27 Pre-Demo Project 790 Emory Valley Rd 811 Oak Ridge TN 37830 ETTP Office 865-241-1902

bbenedetti
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76
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From Benedetti BobTo Scott DavonskiCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Tuesday August 04 2009 92429 AM

Good morning Mr Davonski My opinion is that the intent of the requirement in Subsection 1141 of NFPA 30A Code for Motor FuelDispensing Facilities and Repair Garages is that any hose longer than 18 feet should not simply bestrung along the dockrsquos surface Using a reel would be one means of securing the hose although Irsquomsure other methods such as hangers would work as well Please understand that this response to your inquiry is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 of NFPArsquos RegulationsGoverning Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitively determine compliance with anylaws ordinances rules or regulations To determine the adequacy or safety of any device or installationyou should consult with an appropriate professional To determine legal compliance you should refer tothe appropriate authority having jurisdiction or seek legal advice I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will be happy toassist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarily represent the official positionof the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it berelied upon to provide professional consultation or services cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

Fire Prevention Week is October 4 ndash 10 2009 Visit wwwfirepreventionweekorg or call 800-344-3555 for moreinformation NFPA Seminars - Apply the codes with confidenceRegister at wwwnfpalearnorg NFPA Membership keeps you up-to-dateVisit wwwnfpaorgjoin for more information Or call 800-344-3555Notice The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for theexclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential andor privileged information If you are not the intendedrecipient please notify Robert Benedetti immediately by replying to the message or by calling (617) 984-7433 Please deletethis message and any attachments from your system Thank you

From Scott Davonski [mailtodavonskiRiverheadlicom] Sent Wednesday July 22 2009 1118 AMTo Benedetti BobSubject 30A clarification

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1141

1141 All hose shall be listed Where hose length exceeds 55 m (18 ft) the hose shall besecured so as to protect it from damage Can you provide clarification as to what is meant by ldquosecured so as to protect it fromdamagerdquo Is the standard looking not to have the hoses on the dock In a reel Any clarificationinformation would be appreciated Scott W DavonskiChief Fire MarshalTown of RiverheadP- 631-727-3200 ext 209F- 631-727-3370

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ATTACHMENT No A10
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From Benedetti BobTo Peznowski EdwardCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Thursday September 03 2009 30455 PM

Hi Ed The 1996 edition of the Flammable and Combustible Liquids Code Handbook was the last one prior to thecurrent 2008 edition The commentary hasnrsquot changed My recollection of the development of this text is that the intent of NFPA 30A Code for Motor FuelDispensing Facilities and Repair Garages is to isolate the motor fuel dispensing area and its attendanthazard completely from the rest of the structure regardless of what else might be in the structure Subsection 524 assumes that the installation involves a motor fuel dispensing operation inside abuilding where you would not expect to have same such as an office building A bus repair facility wouldbe probably classed as a major repair garage and would be expected to have fueling operations Thehazard of this is in my opinion no greater than the repair operations It could be that the language in Subsection 524 needs to be clarified so that it applies only to situationssuch as I first described Please understand that this response to your inquiry is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 of NFPArsquos RegulationsGoverning Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitively determine compliance with anylaws ordinances rules or regulations To determine the adequacy or safety of any device or installationyou should consult with an appropriate professional To determine legal compliance you should refer tothe appropriate authority having jurisdiction or seek legal advice I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will be happy toassist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarily represent the official positionof the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it berelied upon to provide professional consultation or services cc 30AIFI 30AFAQ AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

Fire Prevention Week is October 4 ndash 10 2009 Visit wwwfirepreventionweekorg or call 800-344-3555 for moreinformation NFPA Seminars - Apply the codes with confidenceRegister at wwwnfpalearnorg NFPA Membership keeps you up-to-dateVisit wwwnfpaorgjoin for more information Or call 800-344-3555Notice The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for the

bbenedetti
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exclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential andor privileged information If you are not the intendedrecipient please notify Robert Benedetti immediately by replying to the message or by calling (617) 984-7433 Please deletethis message and any attachments from your system Thank you

From Peznowski Edward [mailtoEdwardPeznowskipostatectus] Sent Monday August 31 2009 127 PMTo Benedetti BobSubject NFPA 30A Hi Bob Sorry to bother you but I need your help and interpretation of the following section of NFPA 30A 2000edition 524 - All piping inside buildings but outside the motor fuel dispensing area shall be enclosed within ahorizontal chase or a vertical shaft used only for this piping Vertical shafts and horizontal chases shall beconstructed of materials having a fire resistance rating of not less than 2 hours Bob I have a bus repair facility being built and we have fuel dispensing area within the building enclosedwith a 2hr fire resistive separation My question is I have diesel fuel piping coming from two tanks locatedoutside of the building the piping runs outside of the dispensing area does this piping need to be enclosed Ihave the proper UL listed system for through wall penetrations My problem lies here I have natural gas heating fuel oil lines for boilers and diesel fuel line for thegenerator all running through the area outside the 2 hour rated dispensing area which are not required to beenclosed My thought is within the 2 hour fire resistive construction I have storage rooms for grease and oil a office forfuel dispensing Any fuel piping running through these areas would be enclosed but once I go outside my 2hrrated enclosure the piping would not have to be enclosed NFPA 30A (1996edition)6-42 - All fuel and flammable vapor piping inside buildings but outside the service station area shall beenclosed within a horizontal chase or a vertical shaft used only for this piping Vertical shafts and horizontalchases shall be constructed of materials having a fire resistance rating of not less than 2 hoursCOMMENTARY 6-42 The intent of this requirement is to preserve the isolation of the service stationoperation from the rest of the building I donrsquot have the 2000 handbook for commentary Thanks Bob Edward J PeznowskiFire amp Life Safety SpecialistBureau of EngineeringOffice State Fire Marshal860-685-8350

bbenedetti
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From Benedetti BobTo Hamilton James P (HOY)Cc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiSubject Inquiry NFPA 30A-2008Date Monday September 14 2009 115041 AM

Good morning Mr Hamilton The intent of this particular provision of Subsection 672 of NFPA 30A Code for Motor Fuel DispensingFacilities and Repair Garages is to ensure that the patron has access to a second disconnect if he or shecannot reach the primary disconnect ie the one that is between 20 and 100 feet from the dispenser In my opinion all of the emergency disconnects required by Section 67 must be at least 20 ft but normore than 100 ft from the nearest dispenser Please understand that this response to your inquiry is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 of NFPArsquos RegulationsGoverning Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitively determine compliance with anylaws ordinances rules or regulations To determine the adequacy or safety of any device or installationyou should consult with an appropriate professional To determine legal compliance you should refer tothe appropriate authority having jurisdiction or seek legal advice I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will be happy toassist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarily represent the official positionof the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it berelied upon to provide professional consultation or services cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

Fire Prevention Week is October 4 ndash 10 2009 Visit wwwfirepreventionweekorg or call 800-344-3555 for moreinformation NFPA Seminars - Apply the codes with confidenceRegister at wwwnfpalearnorg NFPA Membership keeps you up-to-dateVisit wwwnfpaorgjoin for more information Or call 800-344-3555Notice The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for theexclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential andor privileged information If you are not the intendedrecipient please notify Robert Benedetti immediately by replying to the message or by calling (617) 984-7433 Please deletethis message and any attachments from your system Thank you

From Hamilton James P (HOY) [mailtoHAMILTONJPbechteljacobsorg] Sent Thursday September 10 2009 1224 PMTo Benedetti BobSubject NFPA 30A 2008 Edition

bbenedetti
Text Box
672

Importance High

NFPA 30A 672 states at least one additional device or disconnect shall be readily accessible toeach group of dispensing devices on an individual island Our installation does not have islands Should the second emergency shutoff be installed close to the pumps or between 20 and 100 ofthe pumps

Please respond back via email hamiltonjpbechteljacobsorg

Thanks

NFPA 127130 James P Hamilton CFPSTetraTek Inc - Fire Safety TechnologiesFire Protection LeadK-27 Pre-Demo Project 790 Emory Valley Rd 811 Oak Ridge TN 37830 ETTP Office 865-241-1902

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From Benedetti BobTo Scott DavonskiCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Tuesday August 04 2009 92429 AM

Good morning Mr Davonski My opinion is that the intent of the requirement in Subsection 1141 of NFPA 30A Code for Motor FuelDispensing Facilities and Repair Garages is that any hose longer than 18 feet should not simply bestrung along the dockrsquos surface Using a reel would be one means of securing the hose although Irsquomsure other methods such as hangers would work as well Please understand that this response to your inquiry is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 of NFPArsquos RegulationsGoverning Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitively determine compliance with anylaws ordinances rules or regulations To determine the adequacy or safety of any device or installationyou should consult with an appropriate professional To determine legal compliance you should refer tothe appropriate authority having jurisdiction or seek legal advice I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will be happy toassist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarily represent the official positionof the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it berelied upon to provide professional consultation or services cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

Fire Prevention Week is October 4 ndash 10 2009 Visit wwwfirepreventionweekorg or call 800-344-3555 for moreinformation NFPA Seminars - Apply the codes with confidenceRegister at wwwnfpalearnorg NFPA Membership keeps you up-to-dateVisit wwwnfpaorgjoin for more information Or call 800-344-3555Notice The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for theexclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential andor privileged information If you are not the intendedrecipient please notify Robert Benedetti immediately by replying to the message or by calling (617) 984-7433 Please deletethis message and any attachments from your system Thank you

From Scott Davonski [mailtodavonskiRiverheadlicom] Sent Wednesday July 22 2009 1118 AMTo Benedetti BobSubject 30A clarification

bbenedetti
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1141 All hose shall be listed Where hose length exceeds 55 m (18 ft) the hose shall besecured so as to protect it from damage Can you provide clarification as to what is meant by ldquosecured so as to protect it fromdamagerdquo Is the standard looking not to have the hoses on the dock In a reel Any clarificationinformation would be appreciated Scott W DavonskiChief Fire MarshalTown of RiverheadP- 631-727-3200 ext 209F- 631-727-3370

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From Benedetti BobTo Peznowski EdwardCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Thursday September 03 2009 30455 PM

Hi Ed The 1996 edition of the Flammable and Combustible Liquids Code Handbook was the last one prior to thecurrent 2008 edition The commentary hasnrsquot changed My recollection of the development of this text is that the intent of NFPA 30A Code for Motor FuelDispensing Facilities and Repair Garages is to isolate the motor fuel dispensing area and its attendanthazard completely from the rest of the structure regardless of what else might be in the structure Subsection 524 assumes that the installation involves a motor fuel dispensing operation inside abuilding where you would not expect to have same such as an office building A bus repair facility wouldbe probably classed as a major repair garage and would be expected to have fueling operations Thehazard of this is in my opinion no greater than the repair operations It could be that the language in Subsection 524 needs to be clarified so that it applies only to situationssuch as I first described Please understand that this response to your inquiry is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 of NFPArsquos RegulationsGoverning Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitively determine compliance with anylaws ordinances rules or regulations To determine the adequacy or safety of any device or installationyou should consult with an appropriate professional To determine legal compliance you should refer tothe appropriate authority having jurisdiction or seek legal advice I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will be happy toassist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarily represent the official positionof the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it berelied upon to provide professional consultation or services cc 30AIFI 30AFAQ AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

Fire Prevention Week is October 4 ndash 10 2009 Visit wwwfirepreventionweekorg or call 800-344-3555 for moreinformation NFPA Seminars - Apply the codes with confidenceRegister at wwwnfpalearnorg NFPA Membership keeps you up-to-dateVisit wwwnfpaorgjoin for more information Or call 800-344-3555Notice The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for the

bbenedetti
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524

exclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential andor privileged information If you are not the intendedrecipient please notify Robert Benedetti immediately by replying to the message or by calling (617) 984-7433 Please deletethis message and any attachments from your system Thank you

From Peznowski Edward [mailtoEdwardPeznowskipostatectus] Sent Monday August 31 2009 127 PMTo Benedetti BobSubject NFPA 30A Hi Bob Sorry to bother you but I need your help and interpretation of the following section of NFPA 30A 2000edition 524 - All piping inside buildings but outside the motor fuel dispensing area shall be enclosed within ahorizontal chase or a vertical shaft used only for this piping Vertical shafts and horizontal chases shall beconstructed of materials having a fire resistance rating of not less than 2 hours Bob I have a bus repair facility being built and we have fuel dispensing area within the building enclosedwith a 2hr fire resistive separation My question is I have diesel fuel piping coming from two tanks locatedoutside of the building the piping runs outside of the dispensing area does this piping need to be enclosed Ihave the proper UL listed system for through wall penetrations My problem lies here I have natural gas heating fuel oil lines for boilers and diesel fuel line for thegenerator all running through the area outside the 2 hour rated dispensing area which are not required to beenclosed My thought is within the 2 hour fire resistive construction I have storage rooms for grease and oil a office forfuel dispensing Any fuel piping running through these areas would be enclosed but once I go outside my 2hrrated enclosure the piping would not have to be enclosed NFPA 30A (1996edition)6-42 - All fuel and flammable vapor piping inside buildings but outside the service station area shall beenclosed within a horizontal chase or a vertical shaft used only for this piping Vertical shafts and horizontalchases shall be constructed of materials having a fire resistance rating of not less than 2 hoursCOMMENTARY 6-42 The intent of this requirement is to preserve the isolation of the service stationoperation from the rest of the building I donrsquot have the 2000 handbook for commentary Thanks Bob Edward J PeznowskiFire amp Life Safety SpecialistBureau of EngineeringOffice State Fire Marshal860-685-8350

bbenedetti
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From Benedetti BobTo Hamilton James P (HOY)Cc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiSubject Inquiry NFPA 30A-2008Date Monday September 14 2009 115041 AM

Good morning Mr Hamilton The intent of this particular provision of Subsection 672 of NFPA 30A Code for Motor Fuel DispensingFacilities and Repair Garages is to ensure that the patron has access to a second disconnect if he or shecannot reach the primary disconnect ie the one that is between 20 and 100 feet from the dispenser In my opinion all of the emergency disconnects required by Section 67 must be at least 20 ft but normore than 100 ft from the nearest dispenser Please understand that this response to your inquiry is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 of NFPArsquos RegulationsGoverning Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitively determine compliance with anylaws ordinances rules or regulations To determine the adequacy or safety of any device or installationyou should consult with an appropriate professional To determine legal compliance you should refer tothe appropriate authority having jurisdiction or seek legal advice I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will be happy toassist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarily represent the official positionof the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it berelied upon to provide professional consultation or services cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

Fire Prevention Week is October 4 ndash 10 2009 Visit wwwfirepreventionweekorg or call 800-344-3555 for moreinformation NFPA Seminars - Apply the codes with confidenceRegister at wwwnfpalearnorg NFPA Membership keeps you up-to-dateVisit wwwnfpaorgjoin for more information Or call 800-344-3555Notice The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for theexclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential andor privileged information If you are not the intendedrecipient please notify Robert Benedetti immediately by replying to the message or by calling (617) 984-7433 Please deletethis message and any attachments from your system Thank you

From Hamilton James P (HOY) [mailtoHAMILTONJPbechteljacobsorg] Sent Thursday September 10 2009 1224 PMTo Benedetti BobSubject NFPA 30A 2008 Edition

bbenedetti
Text Box
672

Importance High

NFPA 30A 672 states at least one additional device or disconnect shall be readily accessible toeach group of dispensing devices on an individual island Our installation does not have islands Should the second emergency shutoff be installed close to the pumps or between 20 and 100 ofthe pumps

Please respond back via email hamiltonjpbechteljacobsorg

Thanks

NFPA 127130 James P Hamilton CFPSTetraTek Inc - Fire Safety TechnologiesFire Protection LeadK-27 Pre-Demo Project 790 Emory Valley Rd 811 Oak Ridge TN 37830 ETTP Office 865-241-1902

bbenedetti
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76
bbenedetti
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From Benedetti BobTo Scott DavonskiCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Tuesday August 04 2009 92429 AM

Good morning Mr Davonski My opinion is that the intent of the requirement in Subsection 1141 of NFPA 30A Code for Motor FuelDispensing Facilities and Repair Garages is that any hose longer than 18 feet should not simply bestrung along the dockrsquos surface Using a reel would be one means of securing the hose although Irsquomsure other methods such as hangers would work as well Please understand that this response to your inquiry is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 of NFPArsquos RegulationsGoverning Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitively determine compliance with anylaws ordinances rules or regulations To determine the adequacy or safety of any device or installationyou should consult with an appropriate professional To determine legal compliance you should refer tothe appropriate authority having jurisdiction or seek legal advice I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will be happy toassist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarily represent the official positionof the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it berelied upon to provide professional consultation or services cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

Fire Prevention Week is October 4 ndash 10 2009 Visit wwwfirepreventionweekorg or call 800-344-3555 for moreinformation NFPA Seminars - Apply the codes with confidenceRegister at wwwnfpalearnorg NFPA Membership keeps you up-to-dateVisit wwwnfpaorgjoin for more information Or call 800-344-3555Notice The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for theexclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential andor privileged information If you are not the intendedrecipient please notify Robert Benedetti immediately by replying to the message or by calling (617) 984-7433 Please deletethis message and any attachments from your system Thank you

From Scott Davonski [mailtodavonskiRiverheadlicom] Sent Wednesday July 22 2009 1118 AMTo Benedetti BobSubject 30A clarification

bbenedetti
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1141

1141 All hose shall be listed Where hose length exceeds 55 m (18 ft) the hose shall besecured so as to protect it from damage Can you provide clarification as to what is meant by ldquosecured so as to protect it fromdamagerdquo Is the standard looking not to have the hoses on the dock In a reel Any clarificationinformation would be appreciated Scott W DavonskiChief Fire MarshalTown of RiverheadP- 631-727-3200 ext 209F- 631-727-3370

bbenedetti
Text Box
ATTACHMENT No A10
Page 55: TECHNICAL COMMITTEE ON AUTOMOTIVE and MARINE … · SUBJECT: Agenda for ROC Meeting – October 4, 2010 _____ Ladies and Gentlemen: Attached is the Agenda for the NFPA 30A Report

From Benedetti BobTo Peznowski EdwardCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Thursday September 03 2009 30455 PM

Hi Ed The 1996 edition of the Flammable and Combustible Liquids Code Handbook was the last one prior to thecurrent 2008 edition The commentary hasnrsquot changed My recollection of the development of this text is that the intent of NFPA 30A Code for Motor FuelDispensing Facilities and Repair Garages is to isolate the motor fuel dispensing area and its attendanthazard completely from the rest of the structure regardless of what else might be in the structure Subsection 524 assumes that the installation involves a motor fuel dispensing operation inside abuilding where you would not expect to have same such as an office building A bus repair facility wouldbe probably classed as a major repair garage and would be expected to have fueling operations Thehazard of this is in my opinion no greater than the repair operations It could be that the language in Subsection 524 needs to be clarified so that it applies only to situationssuch as I first described Please understand that this response to your inquiry is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 of NFPArsquos RegulationsGoverning Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitively determine compliance with anylaws ordinances rules or regulations To determine the adequacy or safety of any device or installationyou should consult with an appropriate professional To determine legal compliance you should refer tothe appropriate authority having jurisdiction or seek legal advice I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will be happy toassist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarily represent the official positionof the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it berelied upon to provide professional consultation or services cc 30AIFI 30AFAQ AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

Fire Prevention Week is October 4 ndash 10 2009 Visit wwwfirepreventionweekorg or call 800-344-3555 for moreinformation NFPA Seminars - Apply the codes with confidenceRegister at wwwnfpalearnorg NFPA Membership keeps you up-to-dateVisit wwwnfpaorgjoin for more information Or call 800-344-3555Notice The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for the

bbenedetti
Text Box
524

exclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential andor privileged information If you are not the intendedrecipient please notify Robert Benedetti immediately by replying to the message or by calling (617) 984-7433 Please deletethis message and any attachments from your system Thank you

From Peznowski Edward [mailtoEdwardPeznowskipostatectus] Sent Monday August 31 2009 127 PMTo Benedetti BobSubject NFPA 30A Hi Bob Sorry to bother you but I need your help and interpretation of the following section of NFPA 30A 2000edition 524 - All piping inside buildings but outside the motor fuel dispensing area shall be enclosed within ahorizontal chase or a vertical shaft used only for this piping Vertical shafts and horizontal chases shall beconstructed of materials having a fire resistance rating of not less than 2 hours Bob I have a bus repair facility being built and we have fuel dispensing area within the building enclosedwith a 2hr fire resistive separation My question is I have diesel fuel piping coming from two tanks locatedoutside of the building the piping runs outside of the dispensing area does this piping need to be enclosed Ihave the proper UL listed system for through wall penetrations My problem lies here I have natural gas heating fuel oil lines for boilers and diesel fuel line for thegenerator all running through the area outside the 2 hour rated dispensing area which are not required to beenclosed My thought is within the 2 hour fire resistive construction I have storage rooms for grease and oil a office forfuel dispensing Any fuel piping running through these areas would be enclosed but once I go outside my 2hrrated enclosure the piping would not have to be enclosed NFPA 30A (1996edition)6-42 - All fuel and flammable vapor piping inside buildings but outside the service station area shall beenclosed within a horizontal chase or a vertical shaft used only for this piping Vertical shafts and horizontalchases shall be constructed of materials having a fire resistance rating of not less than 2 hoursCOMMENTARY 6-42 The intent of this requirement is to preserve the isolation of the service stationoperation from the rest of the building I donrsquot have the 2000 handbook for commentary Thanks Bob Edward J PeznowskiFire amp Life Safety SpecialistBureau of EngineeringOffice State Fire Marshal860-685-8350

bbenedetti
Text Box
67

From Benedetti BobTo Hamilton James P (HOY)Cc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiSubject Inquiry NFPA 30A-2008Date Monday September 14 2009 115041 AM

Good morning Mr Hamilton The intent of this particular provision of Subsection 672 of NFPA 30A Code for Motor Fuel DispensingFacilities and Repair Garages is to ensure that the patron has access to a second disconnect if he or shecannot reach the primary disconnect ie the one that is between 20 and 100 feet from the dispenser In my opinion all of the emergency disconnects required by Section 67 must be at least 20 ft but normore than 100 ft from the nearest dispenser Please understand that this response to your inquiry is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 of NFPArsquos RegulationsGoverning Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitively determine compliance with anylaws ordinances rules or regulations To determine the adequacy or safety of any device or installationyou should consult with an appropriate professional To determine legal compliance you should refer tothe appropriate authority having jurisdiction or seek legal advice I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will be happy toassist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarily represent the official positionof the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it berelied upon to provide professional consultation or services cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

Fire Prevention Week is October 4 ndash 10 2009 Visit wwwfirepreventionweekorg or call 800-344-3555 for moreinformation NFPA Seminars - Apply the codes with confidenceRegister at wwwnfpalearnorg NFPA Membership keeps you up-to-dateVisit wwwnfpaorgjoin for more information Or call 800-344-3555Notice The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for theexclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential andor privileged information If you are not the intendedrecipient please notify Robert Benedetti immediately by replying to the message or by calling (617) 984-7433 Please deletethis message and any attachments from your system Thank you

From Hamilton James P (HOY) [mailtoHAMILTONJPbechteljacobsorg] Sent Thursday September 10 2009 1224 PMTo Benedetti BobSubject NFPA 30A 2008 Edition

bbenedetti
Text Box
672

Importance High

NFPA 30A 672 states at least one additional device or disconnect shall be readily accessible toeach group of dispensing devices on an individual island Our installation does not have islands Should the second emergency shutoff be installed close to the pumps or between 20 and 100 ofthe pumps

Please respond back via email hamiltonjpbechteljacobsorg

Thanks

NFPA 127130 James P Hamilton CFPSTetraTek Inc - Fire Safety TechnologiesFire Protection LeadK-27 Pre-Demo Project 790 Emory Valley Rd 811 Oak Ridge TN 37830 ETTP Office 865-241-1902

bbenedetti
Text Box
76
bbenedetti
Text Box
831

From Benedetti BobTo Scott DavonskiCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Tuesday August 04 2009 92429 AM

Good morning Mr Davonski My opinion is that the intent of the requirement in Subsection 1141 of NFPA 30A Code for Motor FuelDispensing Facilities and Repair Garages is that any hose longer than 18 feet should not simply bestrung along the dockrsquos surface Using a reel would be one means of securing the hose although Irsquomsure other methods such as hangers would work as well Please understand that this response to your inquiry is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 of NFPArsquos RegulationsGoverning Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitively determine compliance with anylaws ordinances rules or regulations To determine the adequacy or safety of any device or installationyou should consult with an appropriate professional To determine legal compliance you should refer tothe appropriate authority having jurisdiction or seek legal advice I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will be happy toassist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarily represent the official positionof the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it berelied upon to provide professional consultation or services cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

Fire Prevention Week is October 4 ndash 10 2009 Visit wwwfirepreventionweekorg or call 800-344-3555 for moreinformation NFPA Seminars - Apply the codes with confidenceRegister at wwwnfpalearnorg NFPA Membership keeps you up-to-dateVisit wwwnfpaorgjoin for more information Or call 800-344-3555Notice The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for theexclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential andor privileged information If you are not the intendedrecipient please notify Robert Benedetti immediately by replying to the message or by calling (617) 984-7433 Please deletethis message and any attachments from your system Thank you

From Scott Davonski [mailtodavonskiRiverheadlicom] Sent Wednesday July 22 2009 1118 AMTo Benedetti BobSubject 30A clarification

bbenedetti
Text Box
1141

1141 All hose shall be listed Where hose length exceeds 55 m (18 ft) the hose shall besecured so as to protect it from damage Can you provide clarification as to what is meant by ldquosecured so as to protect it fromdamagerdquo Is the standard looking not to have the hoses on the dock In a reel Any clarificationinformation would be appreciated Scott W DavonskiChief Fire MarshalTown of RiverheadP- 631-727-3200 ext 209F- 631-727-3370

bbenedetti
Text Box
ATTACHMENT No A10
Page 56: TECHNICAL COMMITTEE ON AUTOMOTIVE and MARINE … · SUBJECT: Agenda for ROC Meeting – October 4, 2010 _____ Ladies and Gentlemen: Attached is the Agenda for the NFPA 30A Report

exclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential andor privileged information If you are not the intendedrecipient please notify Robert Benedetti immediately by replying to the message or by calling (617) 984-7433 Please deletethis message and any attachments from your system Thank you

From Peznowski Edward [mailtoEdwardPeznowskipostatectus] Sent Monday August 31 2009 127 PMTo Benedetti BobSubject NFPA 30A Hi Bob Sorry to bother you but I need your help and interpretation of the following section of NFPA 30A 2000edition 524 - All piping inside buildings but outside the motor fuel dispensing area shall be enclosed within ahorizontal chase or a vertical shaft used only for this piping Vertical shafts and horizontal chases shall beconstructed of materials having a fire resistance rating of not less than 2 hours Bob I have a bus repair facility being built and we have fuel dispensing area within the building enclosedwith a 2hr fire resistive separation My question is I have diesel fuel piping coming from two tanks locatedoutside of the building the piping runs outside of the dispensing area does this piping need to be enclosed Ihave the proper UL listed system for through wall penetrations My problem lies here I have natural gas heating fuel oil lines for boilers and diesel fuel line for thegenerator all running through the area outside the 2 hour rated dispensing area which are not required to beenclosed My thought is within the 2 hour fire resistive construction I have storage rooms for grease and oil a office forfuel dispensing Any fuel piping running through these areas would be enclosed but once I go outside my 2hrrated enclosure the piping would not have to be enclosed NFPA 30A (1996edition)6-42 - All fuel and flammable vapor piping inside buildings but outside the service station area shall beenclosed within a horizontal chase or a vertical shaft used only for this piping Vertical shafts and horizontalchases shall be constructed of materials having a fire resistance rating of not less than 2 hoursCOMMENTARY 6-42 The intent of this requirement is to preserve the isolation of the service stationoperation from the rest of the building I donrsquot have the 2000 handbook for commentary Thanks Bob Edward J PeznowskiFire amp Life Safety SpecialistBureau of EngineeringOffice State Fire Marshal860-685-8350

bbenedetti
Text Box
67

From Benedetti BobTo Hamilton James P (HOY)Cc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiSubject Inquiry NFPA 30A-2008Date Monday September 14 2009 115041 AM

Good morning Mr Hamilton The intent of this particular provision of Subsection 672 of NFPA 30A Code for Motor Fuel DispensingFacilities and Repair Garages is to ensure that the patron has access to a second disconnect if he or shecannot reach the primary disconnect ie the one that is between 20 and 100 feet from the dispenser In my opinion all of the emergency disconnects required by Section 67 must be at least 20 ft but normore than 100 ft from the nearest dispenser Please understand that this response to your inquiry is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 of NFPArsquos RegulationsGoverning Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitively determine compliance with anylaws ordinances rules or regulations To determine the adequacy or safety of any device or installationyou should consult with an appropriate professional To determine legal compliance you should refer tothe appropriate authority having jurisdiction or seek legal advice I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will be happy toassist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarily represent the official positionof the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it berelied upon to provide professional consultation or services cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

Fire Prevention Week is October 4 ndash 10 2009 Visit wwwfirepreventionweekorg or call 800-344-3555 for moreinformation NFPA Seminars - Apply the codes with confidenceRegister at wwwnfpalearnorg NFPA Membership keeps you up-to-dateVisit wwwnfpaorgjoin for more information Or call 800-344-3555Notice The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for theexclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential andor privileged information If you are not the intendedrecipient please notify Robert Benedetti immediately by replying to the message or by calling (617) 984-7433 Please deletethis message and any attachments from your system Thank you

From Hamilton James P (HOY) [mailtoHAMILTONJPbechteljacobsorg] Sent Thursday September 10 2009 1224 PMTo Benedetti BobSubject NFPA 30A 2008 Edition

bbenedetti
Text Box
672

Importance High

NFPA 30A 672 states at least one additional device or disconnect shall be readily accessible toeach group of dispensing devices on an individual island Our installation does not have islands Should the second emergency shutoff be installed close to the pumps or between 20 and 100 ofthe pumps

Please respond back via email hamiltonjpbechteljacobsorg

Thanks

NFPA 127130 James P Hamilton CFPSTetraTek Inc - Fire Safety TechnologiesFire Protection LeadK-27 Pre-Demo Project 790 Emory Valley Rd 811 Oak Ridge TN 37830 ETTP Office 865-241-1902

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From Benedetti BobTo Scott DavonskiCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Tuesday August 04 2009 92429 AM

Good morning Mr Davonski My opinion is that the intent of the requirement in Subsection 1141 of NFPA 30A Code for Motor FuelDispensing Facilities and Repair Garages is that any hose longer than 18 feet should not simply bestrung along the dockrsquos surface Using a reel would be one means of securing the hose although Irsquomsure other methods such as hangers would work as well Please understand that this response to your inquiry is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 of NFPArsquos RegulationsGoverning Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitively determine compliance with anylaws ordinances rules or regulations To determine the adequacy or safety of any device or installationyou should consult with an appropriate professional To determine legal compliance you should refer tothe appropriate authority having jurisdiction or seek legal advice I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will be happy toassist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarily represent the official positionof the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it berelied upon to provide professional consultation or services cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

Fire Prevention Week is October 4 ndash 10 2009 Visit wwwfirepreventionweekorg or call 800-344-3555 for moreinformation NFPA Seminars - Apply the codes with confidenceRegister at wwwnfpalearnorg NFPA Membership keeps you up-to-dateVisit wwwnfpaorgjoin for more information Or call 800-344-3555Notice The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for theexclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential andor privileged information If you are not the intendedrecipient please notify Robert Benedetti immediately by replying to the message or by calling (617) 984-7433 Please deletethis message and any attachments from your system Thank you

From Scott Davonski [mailtodavonskiRiverheadlicom] Sent Wednesday July 22 2009 1118 AMTo Benedetti BobSubject 30A clarification

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1141 All hose shall be listed Where hose length exceeds 55 m (18 ft) the hose shall besecured so as to protect it from damage Can you provide clarification as to what is meant by ldquosecured so as to protect it fromdamagerdquo Is the standard looking not to have the hoses on the dock In a reel Any clarificationinformation would be appreciated Scott W DavonskiChief Fire MarshalTown of RiverheadP- 631-727-3200 ext 209F- 631-727-3370

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From Benedetti BobTo Hamilton James P (HOY)Cc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiSubject Inquiry NFPA 30A-2008Date Monday September 14 2009 115041 AM

Good morning Mr Hamilton The intent of this particular provision of Subsection 672 of NFPA 30A Code for Motor Fuel DispensingFacilities and Repair Garages is to ensure that the patron has access to a second disconnect if he or shecannot reach the primary disconnect ie the one that is between 20 and 100 feet from the dispenser In my opinion all of the emergency disconnects required by Section 67 must be at least 20 ft but normore than 100 ft from the nearest dispenser Please understand that this response to your inquiry is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 of NFPArsquos RegulationsGoverning Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitively determine compliance with anylaws ordinances rules or regulations To determine the adequacy or safety of any device or installationyou should consult with an appropriate professional To determine legal compliance you should refer tothe appropriate authority having jurisdiction or seek legal advice I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will be happy toassist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarily represent the official positionof the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it berelied upon to provide professional consultation or services cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

Fire Prevention Week is October 4 ndash 10 2009 Visit wwwfirepreventionweekorg or call 800-344-3555 for moreinformation NFPA Seminars - Apply the codes with confidenceRegister at wwwnfpalearnorg NFPA Membership keeps you up-to-dateVisit wwwnfpaorgjoin for more information Or call 800-344-3555Notice The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for theexclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential andor privileged information If you are not the intendedrecipient please notify Robert Benedetti immediately by replying to the message or by calling (617) 984-7433 Please deletethis message and any attachments from your system Thank you

From Hamilton James P (HOY) [mailtoHAMILTONJPbechteljacobsorg] Sent Thursday September 10 2009 1224 PMTo Benedetti BobSubject NFPA 30A 2008 Edition

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672

Importance High

NFPA 30A 672 states at least one additional device or disconnect shall be readily accessible toeach group of dispensing devices on an individual island Our installation does not have islands Should the second emergency shutoff be installed close to the pumps or between 20 and 100 ofthe pumps

Please respond back via email hamiltonjpbechteljacobsorg

Thanks

NFPA 127130 James P Hamilton CFPSTetraTek Inc - Fire Safety TechnologiesFire Protection LeadK-27 Pre-Demo Project 790 Emory Valley Rd 811 Oak Ridge TN 37830 ETTP Office 865-241-1902

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From Benedetti BobTo Scott DavonskiCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Tuesday August 04 2009 92429 AM

Good morning Mr Davonski My opinion is that the intent of the requirement in Subsection 1141 of NFPA 30A Code for Motor FuelDispensing Facilities and Repair Garages is that any hose longer than 18 feet should not simply bestrung along the dockrsquos surface Using a reel would be one means of securing the hose although Irsquomsure other methods such as hangers would work as well Please understand that this response to your inquiry is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 of NFPArsquos RegulationsGoverning Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitively determine compliance with anylaws ordinances rules or regulations To determine the adequacy or safety of any device or installationyou should consult with an appropriate professional To determine legal compliance you should refer tothe appropriate authority having jurisdiction or seek legal advice I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will be happy toassist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarily represent the official positionof the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it berelied upon to provide professional consultation or services cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

Fire Prevention Week is October 4 ndash 10 2009 Visit wwwfirepreventionweekorg or call 800-344-3555 for moreinformation NFPA Seminars - Apply the codes with confidenceRegister at wwwnfpalearnorg NFPA Membership keeps you up-to-dateVisit wwwnfpaorgjoin for more information Or call 800-344-3555Notice The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for theexclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential andor privileged information If you are not the intendedrecipient please notify Robert Benedetti immediately by replying to the message or by calling (617) 984-7433 Please deletethis message and any attachments from your system Thank you

From Scott Davonski [mailtodavonskiRiverheadlicom] Sent Wednesday July 22 2009 1118 AMTo Benedetti BobSubject 30A clarification

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1141 All hose shall be listed Where hose length exceeds 55 m (18 ft) the hose shall besecured so as to protect it from damage Can you provide clarification as to what is meant by ldquosecured so as to protect it fromdamagerdquo Is the standard looking not to have the hoses on the dock In a reel Any clarificationinformation would be appreciated Scott W DavonskiChief Fire MarshalTown of RiverheadP- 631-727-3200 ext 209F- 631-727-3370

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From Benedetti BobTo Hamilton James P (HOY)Cc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiSubject Inquiry NFPA 30A-2008Date Monday September 14 2009 115041 AM

Good morning Mr Hamilton The intent of this particular provision of Subsection 672 of NFPA 30A Code for Motor Fuel DispensingFacilities and Repair Garages is to ensure that the patron has access to a second disconnect if he or shecannot reach the primary disconnect ie the one that is between 20 and 100 feet from the dispenser In my opinion all of the emergency disconnects required by Section 67 must be at least 20 ft but normore than 100 ft from the nearest dispenser Please understand that this response to your inquiry is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 of NFPArsquos RegulationsGoverning Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitively determine compliance with anylaws ordinances rules or regulations To determine the adequacy or safety of any device or installationyou should consult with an appropriate professional To determine legal compliance you should refer tothe appropriate authority having jurisdiction or seek legal advice I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will be happy toassist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarily represent the official positionof the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it berelied upon to provide professional consultation or services cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

Fire Prevention Week is October 4 ndash 10 2009 Visit wwwfirepreventionweekorg or call 800-344-3555 for moreinformation NFPA Seminars - Apply the codes with confidenceRegister at wwwnfpalearnorg NFPA Membership keeps you up-to-dateVisit wwwnfpaorgjoin for more information Or call 800-344-3555Notice The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for theexclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential andor privileged information If you are not the intendedrecipient please notify Robert Benedetti immediately by replying to the message or by calling (617) 984-7433 Please deletethis message and any attachments from your system Thank you

From Hamilton James P (HOY) [mailtoHAMILTONJPbechteljacobsorg] Sent Thursday September 10 2009 1224 PMTo Benedetti BobSubject NFPA 30A 2008 Edition

bbenedetti
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672

Importance High

NFPA 30A 672 states at least one additional device or disconnect shall be readily accessible toeach group of dispensing devices on an individual island Our installation does not have islands Should the second emergency shutoff be installed close to the pumps or between 20 and 100 ofthe pumps

Please respond back via email hamiltonjpbechteljacobsorg

Thanks

NFPA 127130 James P Hamilton CFPSTetraTek Inc - Fire Safety TechnologiesFire Protection LeadK-27 Pre-Demo Project 790 Emory Valley Rd 811 Oak Ridge TN 37830 ETTP Office 865-241-1902

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From Benedetti BobTo Scott DavonskiCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Tuesday August 04 2009 92429 AM

Good morning Mr Davonski My opinion is that the intent of the requirement in Subsection 1141 of NFPA 30A Code for Motor FuelDispensing Facilities and Repair Garages is that any hose longer than 18 feet should not simply bestrung along the dockrsquos surface Using a reel would be one means of securing the hose although Irsquomsure other methods such as hangers would work as well Please understand that this response to your inquiry is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 of NFPArsquos RegulationsGoverning Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitively determine compliance with anylaws ordinances rules or regulations To determine the adequacy or safety of any device or installationyou should consult with an appropriate professional To determine legal compliance you should refer tothe appropriate authority having jurisdiction or seek legal advice I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will be happy toassist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarily represent the official positionof the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it berelied upon to provide professional consultation or services cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

Fire Prevention Week is October 4 ndash 10 2009 Visit wwwfirepreventionweekorg or call 800-344-3555 for moreinformation NFPA Seminars - Apply the codes with confidenceRegister at wwwnfpalearnorg NFPA Membership keeps you up-to-dateVisit wwwnfpaorgjoin for more information Or call 800-344-3555Notice The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for theexclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential andor privileged information If you are not the intendedrecipient please notify Robert Benedetti immediately by replying to the message or by calling (617) 984-7433 Please deletethis message and any attachments from your system Thank you

From Scott Davonski [mailtodavonskiRiverheadlicom] Sent Wednesday July 22 2009 1118 AMTo Benedetti BobSubject 30A clarification

bbenedetti
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1141 All hose shall be listed Where hose length exceeds 55 m (18 ft) the hose shall besecured so as to protect it from damage Can you provide clarification as to what is meant by ldquosecured so as to protect it fromdamagerdquo Is the standard looking not to have the hoses on the dock In a reel Any clarificationinformation would be appreciated Scott W DavonskiChief Fire MarshalTown of RiverheadP- 631-727-3200 ext 209F- 631-727-3370

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Importance High

NFPA 30A 672 states at least one additional device or disconnect shall be readily accessible toeach group of dispensing devices on an individual island Our installation does not have islands Should the second emergency shutoff be installed close to the pumps or between 20 and 100 ofthe pumps

Please respond back via email hamiltonjpbechteljacobsorg

Thanks

NFPA 127130 James P Hamilton CFPSTetraTek Inc - Fire Safety TechnologiesFire Protection LeadK-27 Pre-Demo Project 790 Emory Valley Rd 811 Oak Ridge TN 37830 ETTP Office 865-241-1902

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From Benedetti BobTo Scott DavonskiCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Tuesday August 04 2009 92429 AM

Good morning Mr Davonski My opinion is that the intent of the requirement in Subsection 1141 of NFPA 30A Code for Motor FuelDispensing Facilities and Repair Garages is that any hose longer than 18 feet should not simply bestrung along the dockrsquos surface Using a reel would be one means of securing the hose although Irsquomsure other methods such as hangers would work as well Please understand that this response to your inquiry is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 of NFPArsquos RegulationsGoverning Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitively determine compliance with anylaws ordinances rules or regulations To determine the adequacy or safety of any device or installationyou should consult with an appropriate professional To determine legal compliance you should refer tothe appropriate authority having jurisdiction or seek legal advice I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will be happy toassist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarily represent the official positionof the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it berelied upon to provide professional consultation or services cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

Fire Prevention Week is October 4 ndash 10 2009 Visit wwwfirepreventionweekorg or call 800-344-3555 for moreinformation NFPA Seminars - Apply the codes with confidenceRegister at wwwnfpalearnorg NFPA Membership keeps you up-to-dateVisit wwwnfpaorgjoin for more information Or call 800-344-3555Notice The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for theexclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential andor privileged information If you are not the intendedrecipient please notify Robert Benedetti immediately by replying to the message or by calling (617) 984-7433 Please deletethis message and any attachments from your system Thank you

From Scott Davonski [mailtodavonskiRiverheadlicom] Sent Wednesday July 22 2009 1118 AMTo Benedetti BobSubject 30A clarification

bbenedetti
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1141 All hose shall be listed Where hose length exceeds 55 m (18 ft) the hose shall besecured so as to protect it from damage Can you provide clarification as to what is meant by ldquosecured so as to protect it fromdamagerdquo Is the standard looking not to have the hoses on the dock In a reel Any clarificationinformation would be appreciated Scott W DavonskiChief Fire MarshalTown of RiverheadP- 631-727-3200 ext 209F- 631-727-3370

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From Benedetti BobTo Scott DavonskiCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Tuesday August 04 2009 92429 AM

Good morning Mr Davonski My opinion is that the intent of the requirement in Subsection 1141 of NFPA 30A Code for Motor FuelDispensing Facilities and Repair Garages is that any hose longer than 18 feet should not simply bestrung along the dockrsquos surface Using a reel would be one means of securing the hose although Irsquomsure other methods such as hangers would work as well Please understand that this response to your inquiry is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 of NFPArsquos RegulationsGoverning Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitively determine compliance with anylaws ordinances rules or regulations To determine the adequacy or safety of any device or installationyou should consult with an appropriate professional To determine legal compliance you should refer tothe appropriate authority having jurisdiction or seek legal advice I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will be happy toassist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarily represent the official positionof the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it berelied upon to provide professional consultation or services cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

Fire Prevention Week is October 4 ndash 10 2009 Visit wwwfirepreventionweekorg or call 800-344-3555 for moreinformation NFPA Seminars - Apply the codes with confidenceRegister at wwwnfpalearnorg NFPA Membership keeps you up-to-dateVisit wwwnfpaorgjoin for more information Or call 800-344-3555Notice The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for theexclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential andor privileged information If you are not the intendedrecipient please notify Robert Benedetti immediately by replying to the message or by calling (617) 984-7433 Please deletethis message and any attachments from your system Thank you

From Scott Davonski [mailtodavonskiRiverheadlicom] Sent Wednesday July 22 2009 1118 AMTo Benedetti BobSubject 30A clarification

bbenedetti
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1141

1141 All hose shall be listed Where hose length exceeds 55 m (18 ft) the hose shall besecured so as to protect it from damage Can you provide clarification as to what is meant by ldquosecured so as to protect it fromdamagerdquo Is the standard looking not to have the hoses on the dock In a reel Any clarificationinformation would be appreciated Scott W DavonskiChief Fire MarshalTown of RiverheadP- 631-727-3200 ext 209F- 631-727-3370

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bbenedetti
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From Benedetti BobTo Scott DavonskiCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Tuesday August 04 2009 92429 AM

Good morning Mr Davonski My opinion is that the intent of the requirement in Subsection 1141 of NFPA 30A Code for Motor FuelDispensing Facilities and Repair Garages is that any hose longer than 18 feet should not simply bestrung along the dockrsquos surface Using a reel would be one means of securing the hose although Irsquomsure other methods such as hangers would work as well Please understand that this response to your inquiry is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 of NFPArsquos RegulationsGoverning Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitively determine compliance with anylaws ordinances rules or regulations To determine the adequacy or safety of any device or installationyou should consult with an appropriate professional To determine legal compliance you should refer tothe appropriate authority having jurisdiction or seek legal advice I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will be happy toassist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarily represent the official positionof the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it berelied upon to provide professional consultation or services cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

Fire Prevention Week is October 4 ndash 10 2009 Visit wwwfirepreventionweekorg or call 800-344-3555 for moreinformation NFPA Seminars - Apply the codes with confidenceRegister at wwwnfpalearnorg NFPA Membership keeps you up-to-dateVisit wwwnfpaorgjoin for more information Or call 800-344-3555Notice The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for theexclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential andor privileged information If you are not the intendedrecipient please notify Robert Benedetti immediately by replying to the message or by calling (617) 984-7433 Please deletethis message and any attachments from your system Thank you

From Scott Davonski [mailtodavonskiRiverheadlicom] Sent Wednesday July 22 2009 1118 AMTo Benedetti BobSubject 30A clarification

bbenedetti
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1141

1141 All hose shall be listed Where hose length exceeds 55 m (18 ft) the hose shall besecured so as to protect it from damage Can you provide clarification as to what is meant by ldquosecured so as to protect it fromdamagerdquo Is the standard looking not to have the hoses on the dock In a reel Any clarificationinformation would be appreciated Scott W DavonskiChief Fire MarshalTown of RiverheadP- 631-727-3200 ext 209F- 631-727-3370

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From Benedetti BobTo Scott DavonskiCc Goyette Joanne Mucci PattiSubject Inquiry NFPA 30ADate Tuesday August 04 2009 92429 AM

Good morning Mr Davonski My opinion is that the intent of the requirement in Subsection 1141 of NFPA 30A Code for Motor FuelDispensing Facilities and Repair Garages is that any hose longer than 18 feet should not simply bestrung along the dockrsquos surface Using a reel would be one means of securing the hose although Irsquomsure other methods such as hangers would work as well Please understand that this response to your inquiry is a personal opinion and does not constitute aFormal Interpretation of the NFPA as noted below and as described in Section 6 of NFPArsquos RegulationsGoverning Committee Projects It is not to be relied upon to definitively determine compliance with anylaws ordinances rules or regulations To determine the adequacy or safety of any device or installationyou should consult with an appropriate professional To determine legal compliance you should refer tothe appropriate authority having jurisdiction or seek legal advice I hope this response is helpful If you have any other questions please call or write I will be happy toassist R P Benedetti IMPORTANT NOTICE This correspondence is not a Formal Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPA Regulations Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarily represent the official positionof the NFPA or its Technical Committees In addition this correspondence is neither intended nor should it berelied upon to provide professional consultation or services cc 30AIFI AUVNM-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert P Benedetti CSP PEPrincipal Flammable Liquids EngineerNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy MA 02169-7471617-984-7433617-984-7110 (FAX)617-571-8494 (CELL)bbenedettinfpaorg

Fire Prevention Week is October 4 ndash 10 2009 Visit wwwfirepreventionweekorg or call 800-344-3555 for moreinformation NFPA Seminars - Apply the codes with confidenceRegister at wwwnfpalearnorg NFPA Membership keeps you up-to-dateVisit wwwnfpaorgjoin for more information Or call 800-344-3555Notice The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for theexclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential andor privileged information If you are not the intendedrecipient please notify Robert Benedetti immediately by replying to the message or by calling (617) 984-7433 Please deletethis message and any attachments from your system Thank you

From Scott Davonski [mailtodavonskiRiverheadlicom] Sent Wednesday July 22 2009 1118 AMTo Benedetti BobSubject 30A clarification

bbenedetti
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1141 All hose shall be listed Where hose length exceeds 55 m (18 ft) the hose shall besecured so as to protect it from damage Can you provide clarification as to what is meant by ldquosecured so as to protect it fromdamagerdquo Is the standard looking not to have the hoses on the dock In a reel Any clarificationinformation would be appreciated Scott W DavonskiChief Fire MarshalTown of RiverheadP- 631-727-3200 ext 209F- 631-727-3370

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1141 All hose shall be listed Where hose length exceeds 55 m (18 ft) the hose shall besecured so as to protect it from damage Can you provide clarification as to what is meant by ldquosecured so as to protect it fromdamagerdquo Is the standard looking not to have the hoses on the dock In a reel Any clarificationinformation would be appreciated Scott W DavonskiChief Fire MarshalTown of RiverheadP- 631-727-3200 ext 209F- 631-727-3370

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