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Page 1 of 6 Technical Committee on Fire Pumps (FIM-AAA) M E M O R A N D U M DATE: September 17, 2013 TO: Principal and Alternate Members of the Technical Committee on Fire Pumps (FIM-AAA) FROM: Chad Duffy, NFPA Staff Liaison Office: (617) 984-7262 Email: [email protected] SUBJECT: AGENDA – NFPA 20 First Draft Meeting (Annual 2015) Enclosed is the agenda for the First Draft meeting for NFPA 20, Standard on the Installation of Stationary Pumps for Fire Protection, which will be held at the Double Tree by Hilton Hotel Orlando at SeaWorld 8:00am to 5:00pm EDT on Tuesday October 1, 2013, Wednesday, October 2, 2013 and 8:00am to 12:00pm on Thursday October 3, 2013. Please submit requests for additional agenda items to the chair at least seven days prior to the meeting, and notify the chair and staff liaison as soon as possible if you plan to introduce any first revisions at the meeting. All NFPA Technical Committee meetings are open to the public. Please contact me for information on attending a meeting as a guest. Read NFPA's Regulations Governing the Development of NFPA Standards (Section 3.3.3.3) for further information. Additional Meeting Information: See the Meeting Notice on the Document Information Page (www.nfpa.org/20next ) for meeting location details. If you have any questions, please feel free to contact Elena Carroll, Project Administrator at 617-984-7952 or by email [email protected] . C. Standards Administration
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Technical Committee on Fire Pumps (FIM-AAA)

M E M O R A N D U M

DATE: September 17, 2013

TO: Principal and Alternate Members of the Technical Committee on Fire Pumps (FIM-AAA)

FROM: Chad Duffy, NFPA Staff Liaison Office: (617) 984-7262 Email: [email protected]

SUBJECT: AGENDA – NFPA 20 First Draft Meeting (Annual 2015)

Enclosed is the agenda for the First Draft meeting for NFPA 20, Standard on the Installation of Stationary Pumps for Fire Protection, which will be held at the Double Tree by Hilton Hotel Orlando at SeaWorld 8:00am to 5:00pm EDT on Tuesday October 1, 2013, Wednesday, October 2, 2013 and 8:00am to 12:00pm on Thursday October 3, 2013. Please submit requests for additional agenda items to the chair at least seven days prior to the meeting, and notify the chair and staff liaison as soon as possible if you plan to introduce any first revisions at the meeting. All NFPA Technical Committee meetings are open to the public. Please contact me for information on attending a meeting as a guest. Read NFPA's Regulations Governing the Development of NFPA Standards (Section 3.3.3.3) for further information. Additional Meeting Information: See the Meeting Notice on the Document Information Page (www.nfpa.org/20next) for meeting location details. If you have any questions, please feel free to contact Elena Carroll, Project Administrator at 617-984-7952 or by email [email protected]. C. Standards Administration

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Technical Committee on Fire Pumps (FIM-AAA) NFPA 20 First Draft Meeting (Annual 2015)

Tuesday, Oct.1, 2013, Wednesday, Oct. 2, 2013, 8:00am – 5:00pm EDT and Thursday Oct. 3, 2013, 8:00am – 12:00pm EDT Double Tree by Hilton Hotel Orlando at SeaWorld

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AGENDA

Tuesday, October 1, 2013

1. Task Group Meetings 8:00 – 12:00 PM (Preferably not needed)

2. Call to Order – 1:00 PM

3. Introductions and Attendance

4. Review Agenda

5. NFPA Staff Liaison Presentation and Review of Key Dates in Current Cycle

6. Chairman Comments

7. Approval of Previous Meeting Minutes

8. Discussion on Connectivity – Jim Nasby

9. Act on Public Comments for NFPA 20- Tentative order of presentation a. Task Group 1 - Chapter 4, 6 & 7 Darrell Snyder – Chair b. Task Group 2 – Chapter 5 Dave Fuller - Chair c. Task Group 3 – Chapter 8 Jennifer McGrath - Chair d. Task Group 4 – Chapters 9 & 10 Hugh Castles – Chair e. Task Group 5 – Chapter 11 & 12 John Whitney – Chair f. Task Group 6 – Chapters 13 Alan Dorini – Chair g. Task Group 7 – Chapter 14 Bill Harvey – Chair h. Task Group 8 – Electric Grid Reliability Dana Haagensen – Chair i. Task Group 9 – Connectivity Jim Nasby - Chair

10. Adjourn - TBD

Wednesday, October 2, 2013

1. Call to Order – 8:00 AM

2. Act on Public Input for NFPA 20

3. Discussion on proposals from NFPA 13 Hanging and Bracing committee – Victoria

Valentine

4. Adjourn – TBD

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Technical Committee on Fire Pumps (FIM-AAA) NFPA 20 First Draft Meeting (Annual 2015)

Tuesday, Oct.1, 2013, Wednesday, Oct. 2, 2013, 8:00am – 5:00pm EDT and Thursday Oct. 3, 2013, 8:00am – 12:00pm EDT Double Tree by Hilton Hotel Orlando at SeaWorld

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Thursday, October 3, 2013

1. Call to Order – 8:00 AM

2. Complete Action on Public Input for NFPA 20

3. Dissolution of current task groups

4. New business

5. Adjourn Meeting – 12:00 PM

Please submit requests for additional agenda items to the chair at least seven days prior to the meeting. Please notify the chair and staff liaison as soon as possible if you plan to introduce any committee input at the meeting.

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Technical Committee on Fire Pumps (FIM-AAA) NFPA 20 First Draft Meeting (Annual 2015)

Tuesday, Oct.1, 2013, Wednesday, Oct. 2, 2013, 8:00am – 5:00pm EDT and Thursday Oct. 3, 2013, 8:00am – 12:00pm EDT Double Tree by Hilton Hotel Orlando at SeaWorld

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Key Dates for the Annual 2015 Revision Cycle

Proposal Closing Date July 8, 2013 Final Date for First Draft Meeting December 13, 2013

Posting of First Draft and TC Ballot January 1, 2014 Ballots Returned By February 21, 2014

Post Final First Draft March 7, 2014 Comment Closing Date May 16, 2014 Final Date for Second Draft Meeting October 31, 2014

Posting of Second Draft and TC Ballot December12, 2014

Ballots Returned By January 2, 2014

Posting Final Second Draft January 16, 2015 Closing Date for Notice of Intent to Make a Motion (NITMAM) March 6, 2015 Issuance of Consent Document (No NITMAMs) May 26, 2015

NFPA Annual Meeting June 22-25, 2015 Issuance of Document with NITMAM August 20, 2015

Technical Committee deadlines are in bold.

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Technical Committee on Fire Pumps (FIM-AAA) NFPA 20 First Draft Meeting (Annual 2015)

Tuesday, Oct.1, 2013, Wednesday, Oct. 2, 2013, 8:00am – 5:00pm EDT and Thursday Oct. 3, 2013, 8:00am – 12:00pm EDT Double Tree by Hilton Hotel Orlando at SeaWorld

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Meeting Preparation Committee members are strongly encouraged to review the published input prior to the meeting and to be prepared to act on each item. Handout materials should be submitted to the chair at least seven days prior to the meeting. Only one posting of the input will be made; it will be arranged in section/order and will be pre-numbered. This will be posted to the NFPA Document information pages located at www.nfpa.org/20. If you have trouble accessing the website please contact Elena Carroll at [email protected].

Mandatory Materials:

Last edition of the standard Meeting agenda Public input/comments Committee Officers' Guide (Chairs) Roberts’ Rules of Order (Chairs; An abbreviated version may be found in the

Committee Officer’s Guide) Optional Materials:

NFPA Annual Directory NFPA Manual of Style Prepared committee input/comments (If applicable)

Regulations and Guiding Documents All committee members are expected to behave in accordance with the Guide for the Conduct of Participants in the NFPA Codes and Standards Development Process. All actions during and following the committee meetings will be governed in accordance with the Regulations Governing the Development of NFPA Standards. Failure to comply with these regulations could result in challenges to the standards-making process. A successful challenge on procedural grounds could prevent or delay publication of the document. The style of the document must comply with the Manual of Style for NFPA Technical Committee Documents.

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Technical Committee on Fire Pumps (FIM-AAA) NFPA 20 First Draft Meeting (Annual 2015)

Tuesday, Oct.1, 2013, Wednesday, Oct. 2, 2013, 8:00am – 5:00pm EDT and Thursday Oct. 3, 2013, 8:00am – 12:00pm EDT Double Tree by Hilton Hotel Orlando at SeaWorld

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General Procedures for Meetings

Use of tape recorders or other means capable of producing verbatim transcriptions of any NFPA Committee Meeting is not permitted.

Attendance at all NFPA Committee Meetings is open. All guests must sign in and identify their affiliation.

Participation in NFPA Committee Meetings is generally limited to committee members and NFPA staff. Participation by guests is limited to individuals, who have received prior approval from the chair to address the committee on a particular item, or who wish to speak regarding public input or comments that they submitted.

The chairman reserves the right to limit the amount of time available for any presentation.

No interviews will be allowed in the meeting room at any time, including breaks.

All attendees are reminded that formal votes of committee members will be secured by letter ballot. Voting at this meeting is used to establish a sense of agreement, but only the results of the formal letter ballot will determine the official action of the committee.

Note to Special Experts: Particular attention is called to Section 3.3(e) of the NFPA Guide for the Conduct of Participants in the NFPA Codes and Standards Development Process in the NFPA Directory. This section requires committee members to declare any interest they may represent, other than their official designation as shown on the committee roster. This typically occurs when a special expert is retained by and represents another interest category on a particular subject. If such a situation exists on a specific issue or issues, the committee member shall declare those interests to the committee and refrain from voting on any action relating to those issues.

Smoking is not permitted at NFPA Committee Meetings.

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March 13, 2012

TERMS New Terms Old Terms

Input Stage – Stage where Public Input is sought to develop the First Draft.

Report on Proposals (ROP) Stage

Public Input (PI) – A recommended change submitted for consideration by the Technical Committee. Each Public Input (PI) shall include new, modified or deleted text as appropriate and technical substantiation to support the recommended change.

Download a Public Input Form for documents in Fall 2013 and subsequent cycles

Proposal

First Draft Meeting ROP Meeting

First Revision (FR) – Proposed changes to the text of an NFPA Standard developed by the responsible Committee(s) in the Input Stage. Each First Revision shall contain the new, modified or deleted text as appropriate. A First Revision shall be established through a Meeting Vote and shall only require a simple majority to proceed to ballot. Only First Revisions that pass ballot will show in the First Draft. Each First Revision shall contain a Committee Statement that substantiates the proposed change to the document.

Committee Proposal or Accepted Public Proposal

Committee Input (CI) – A CI can be established during the First Draft Technical Committee meeting (without balloting) in order to highlight the concept to obtain public comment; often used for newer ideas, topics that aren’t fully fleshed out or controversial topics. A Committee Input (CI) can also be a First Revision (FR) that fails to receive support of the technical committee through letter ballot. Committee Inputs shall maintain the original FR Committee Statement and shall contain a notification to the reviewer documenting that the CI represents a failed FR.

“Trial Balloon” or an Accepted Proposal (or Committee Proposal) that Failed Ballot

Committee Statement (CS) – A Committee Statement is the committee’s response to a Public Input (PI), Public Comment (PC) or the committee’s technical substantiation for a proposed First Revision. A committee statement shall be established through a Meeting Vote and shall only require a simple majority to proceed.

Committee Statement

First Draft Report – The First Draft Report documents the Input Stage; it shall contain the First Draft, Public Input, Committee Input, Committee and Correlating Committee Statements, Correlating Input, Correlating Notes and Ballot Statements.

ROP

First Draft – The draft of the proposed new or revised standard showing in legislative text all First Revisions and First Correlating Revisions that have passed ballot.

ROP Draft

Correlating Committee (CC) Technical Correlating Committee

Correlating Committee Statement – The Correlating Committee’s response to a Public Input (PI), Committee Input (CI), Public Comment (PC) or the Correlating Committee’s technical substantiation for a correlating change to proposed Revision or a correlative CCFR. It shall be established through a Meeting Vote and shall only require a simple majority to proceed.

TCC Note

Correlating Committee First Revision (CCFR) – Correlating Committee First Revisions are proposed revisions to the Technical Committee’s First Revisions that are required to correlate the proposed document. Each CCFR shall contain a Correlating Committee Statement that substantiates the Revision. A CCFR shall be established through a Meeting Vote and shall only require a simple majority to proceed to letter ballot. CCFRs that fail to receive CC support through letter ballot shall not be published as part of the First Draft.

TCC Note

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Comment Stage Report on Comments (ROC) Stage

Public Comment – Changes submitted by the public during public Comment Stage.

Public Comment

Second Draft Meeting ROC Meeting

Second Revision (SR) – Similar to First Revision, but in the Comment Stage. Proposed changes to the text by the TC that have passed ballot.

Committee Comment or Accepted Public Comment

Committee Comment – A Committee Comment shall be a Second Revision (SR) that fails to receive support of the TC through ballot. Committee Comments shall maintain the original Committee Statement and shall contain a notification to the reviewer documenting that the Committee Comment represents a failed SR.

Committee Comment that failed ballot

Committee Action – An action by a TC to accept or reject a Comment. This occurs only in the Comment Stage and the action itself is not balloted.

Committee Action

Second Draft Report – The Second Draft Report documents the Comment Stage; it shall contain the Second Draft, Public Comments with corresponding Committee Actions and Committee Statements, Committee Comments, Correlating Revisions and Ballot Statements.

ROC

Second Draft – The draft of the proposed new or revised standard showing in legislative text all Second Revisions and Second Correlating Revisions that have passed ballot.

ROC Draft

 

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NEW PROCESS ACTIONS AND MOTIONS  

New Process Actions and Motions‐ Final‐ 2/13/2012   

Possible Action 1:  Resolve PIs, (no change to Section) 

  Action Required Sample MotionsStep One:  Committee generates a statement  to respond  to (resolve) 

each PI #    

I make a motion (move) to resolve PI#___ with the following committee statement:    Approval by a meeting vote (simple majority) and not subject to ballot  (Regs 4.3.7.3 & 4.3.7.3.2) 

Possible Action 2:  Create First Revision ‐ Change to a Section  

  Action Required Sample MotionsStep One: (1st option) 

 Committee generates a First Revision   I make a motion (move) to revise Section ___      as follows:…………   Approval by a meeting vote (simply majority) and final approval through ballot (Regs 4.3.9.2.3) 

Step Two: (1st option) 

Committee generates a statement substantiating the change.    

  Approval by a meeting vote (simply majority) (Regs 4.3.7.3) 

     

Step One: (2nd option) 

Committee generates a First Revision using one or more PIs as the starting point. 

I make a motion to revise Section __ using PI#__ as the basis for change.  Approval by a meeting vote (simply majority) and final approval through ballot (Regs 4.3.9.2.3)

Step Two:  (2nd option)  

If the revision is associated with one or more PIs the committee generates a statement  to respond  to (resolve) each PI   

I make a motion (move) to resolve PIs # through ## with the following statement:      Approval by a meeting vote (simply majority) and not subject to ballot  (Regs 4.3.7.3 & 

4.3.7.3.1) 

Possible Action 3:  Create Committee Input – (Trial Balloon/Placeholder)

  Action Required  Sample Motions Step One:  

Committee generates a Committee Input (proposed revision) for public consideration and solicitation of Public Comments   

I make a motion (move) to create a CI with a proposed revision to  X.X.X as follows:   Approval by a meeting vote (simply majority) and not subject to ballot  (Regs 4.3.8) 

Step Two:  Committee generates a statement   to explain the intent and why it is seeking public consideration and soliciting Public Comments   

  Approval by a meeting vote (simply majority) (Regs 4.3.7.1) 

 

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Attachment #1: Previous Meeting Minutes

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MINUTES of the  

NFPA 20 Comments meeting 

San Antonio, TX – October 18 thru 20, 2011 

Attendees: Gayle Pennel, Chair Chad Duffy, Staff Liaison Richard Bielen, NFPA Staff Michael Aaron James Beals Thomas Boccetti Hugh Castles Alan Dorini David Fuller Dana Haagensen David Hague Bill Harvey Hatem Kheir Timothy Killion John Kovacik R. Leicht Jennifer McGrath James Nasby Eric Packard Milosh Puchovsky Jeffrey Roberts  Tuesday; October 18 

1. Chairman Gayle Pennel called the meeting to order at 8 AM and recessed in order for the Task 

Groups to deliberate. Main session to reconvene at 1:00 PM 

2. Reconvened at 1:00 PM. 

3. Self Introductions were made by all attendees; 29 Principals/Alternates, 2 NFPA Staff, and 6 

guests. Richard P. Bielen of NFPA introduced Chad Duffy, the NFPA Staff Liaison for NFPA 20 TC. 

4. Chad Duffy, Staff Liaison, provided a staff presentation containing technical committee 

instructions. 

5. R. T. Leicht agreed to serve as acting secretary for this meeting, and his name will be submitted 

to become the permanent committee secretary. 

6. Staff Liaison Chad Duffy instructed Technical Committee on Roster update and attendance log. 

Richard Schneider Darrell Snyder Hansford Stewart Terry Victor Lawrence Wenzel John Whitney Kerry Bell Bradford Cronin Jerald Huff Kenneth Isman Joseph Sanford William Stelter Thomas Wellen  Guests: Doug Stephens Tony Kranendonk Adnan Janjua Damon Pietraz Darrell Underwood Bob Montgomery 

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7. Chairman Pennel called for a motion to accept minutes of January 2011meeting of the 

TECHNICAL COMMITTEE in Orlando, FL. Motion passed unanimously. 

8. Technical Committee  began the review and action process on 126 public Comments and 8 

Committee Comments beginning with Task Group reports: 

a. Task Group on Water Mist by John R. Kovacik 

b. Task Group on  Electrical Grid Reliability by Dana R. Haagensen

c. Task Group on  Limited Service Controllers: Milosh T. Puchovsky (At his request, John

R. Kovacik asked to be noted as abstaining on motion [CC-1] proposed by this Task Group)

 

9. Session recessed at 5:25PM 

 

Wednesday; October 19 

10. Technical Committee reconvened at 8:00 AM on 10/19 and continued the review and action 

process on the Comments beginning with remaining Task Group reports: 

d.  Task Group on Fire Pumps by Darrell A. Snyder,

e. Task Group on High Rise by David B. Fuller. (TC Chairman Gayle Pennel excused

himself from the Chair so as to freely participate in the discussions generated by this Task Group. R. T. Leicht served temporarily as the Chair during this portion of the meeting)

f. Task Group on Electrical by Hugh D. Castles,

g. Task Group on Engines by John Whitney,

h. Task Group on Testing by Bill M. Harvey,

11. Technical Committee  continued with the review and action process on remaining  public 

Comments  

12. Session recessed at 5:25PM 

 

Thursday; October 20 

13. Technical Committee reconvened at 8:00 AM on 10/20 and continued the review and action 

process on the remaining  public Comments

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14. Chairman Pennel appointed the following Task Groups (first UPPERCASED name denotes Group 

Chair)

TASK GROUP for PUMPS (Chapters 4, 6 & 7): DARRELL A. SNYDER, Michael E. Aaron, Alan A.

Dorini, Kenneth E. Isman, Hatem Ezzat Kheir, R. T. Leicht, Jennifer A. McGrath, Hansford Stewart, Damon Pietraz

TASK GROUP for HIGH RISE (Chapter 5): DAVID B. FULLER, Gayle Pennel, Michael E. Aaron,

Bradford T. Cronin, Jerald G. Huff, William F. Stelter, Thomas G. Wellen

TASK GROUP for POSITIVE DISPLACEMENT PUMPS (Chapter 8): JENNIFER A. MCGRATH,

Michael E. Aaron, Terry L. Victor, John Whitney

TASK GROUP for ELECTRICAL (Chapters 9, 10): HUGH D. CASTLES, Dana R. Haagensen,

John R. Kovacik, James S. Nasby, Brett Scharpenter, Richard Schneider, William F. Stelter, Doug Stevens 

TASK GROUP for ENGINES (Chapters 11,12): JOHN WHITNEY, Kerry M. Bell, Charles W.

McKnight, Jeffrey R. Roberts, Darrell A. Snyder, Bob Montgomery

TASK GROUP for STEAM (Chapter 13): ALAN A. DORINI, John Whitney, Joseph R. Sanford

TASK GROUP for TESTING (Chapter 14): BILL M. HARVEY, Jerald G. Huff, Hatem Ezzat Kheir,

Darrell A. Snyder, R. T. Leicht, Hansford Stewart, Terry L. Victor, Thomas G. Wellen, John Whitney, Damon Pietraz

TASK GROUP for  LIMITED SERVICE: MILOSH T. PUCHOVSKY, Alan A. Dorini, Richard

Schneider, William F. Stelter, Terry L. Victor, Joseph R. Sanford

TASK GROUP for  ELECTRICAL GRID RELIABILITY: DANA R. HAAGENSEN, Kenneth E.

Isman, John Whitney

TASK GROUP for  TIA / SMALL MOTORS: JAMES S. NASBY, Kenneth E. Isman, John R.

Kovacik, Richard Schneider

15.  Chairman Pennel announced that a ballot for this NFPA 20 meeting on Comments will be 

forward to the Technical Committee members for their official vote.  Chairman Pennel 

encouraged committee members to provide comments even on affirmative votes when an issue 

has a significant probability of being the subject of a NITNAM at the 2012 Annual Technical 

Session. 

16. Chairman Pennel announced that the actions associated with this cycle will be brought forward 

to the NFPA at the Annual Conference in June 2012 in Las Vegas, NV . Chairman Pennel 

encouraged committee members to attend the 2012 Technical Committee in Las Vegas to 

support committee action on issues that are the subject of a NITNAM at the 2012 Annual 

Technical Session. 

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17. Chairman Pennel called for a motion to adjourn at 12:00 noon. Motion passed unanimously.

To encourage communication within each task group, a task group list with phone numbers and emails 

is attached. 

 

Respectfully submitted, 

 

R. T. Leicht, (Acting) Secretary

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NFPA 20 Task Groups For the 2016 Edition of NFPA 20 1 Pumps Chpts 4, 6 & 7

Darrell A. Snyder, Chairman 6 Steam Chpt 13

Alan A. Dorini, Chairman Michael E. Aaron 312-879-7200 [email protected] Alan A. Dorini 954-522-7905 [email protected] Alan A. Dorini 954-522-7905 [email protected] John Whitney 513-520-5607 [email protected]

Kenneth E. Isman 845-878-4200 [email protected]

Joseph R. Sanford 781-891-0230 [email protected]

Hatem Ezzat Kheir 011-202-24050618 [email protected]

R. T. Leicht 302-323-5365 [email protected] Jennifer A. McGrath 630-966-2730 [email protected] Darrell A. Snyder 706-297-2916 [email protected] Hansford Stewart 469-371-0416 [email protected] Damon Pietraz 248-347-4975 [email protected]

2 High Rise (chpt 5)

David B. Fuller, Chairman 7 Testing Chpt 14

Bill M. Harvey, Chairman Gayle Pennel 847-953-7740 [email protected] Bill M. Harvey 864-862-2379 [email protected] Michael E. Aaron 312-879-7200 [email protected] Jerald G. Huff 954-747-4941 [email protected]

Bradford T. Cronin 401-424-1080 [email protected] Hatem Ezzat Kheir

011-202-24050618 [email protected]

David B. Fuller 781-255-4792 [email protected] R. T. Leicht 302-323-5365 [email protected] Jerald G. Huff 954-747-4941 [email protected] Darrell A. Snyder 706-297-2916 [email protected] William F. Stelter 847-295-1010 [email protected] Hansford Stewart 469-371-0416 [email protected] Thomas G. Wellen 214-349-5965 [email protected] Terry L. Victor 443-896-1053 [email protected]

Thomas G. Wellen 214-349-5965 [email protected]

John Whitney 513-520-5607 [email protected] Damon Pietraz 248-347-4975 [email protected]

3 Positive Displacement Pumps (chpt 8)

Jennifer A. McGrath, Chairman 8 Limited Service Controllers

Milosh T. Puchovsky, Chairman Michael E. Aaron 312-879-7200 [email protected] Alan A. Dorini 954-522-7905 [email protected] Jennifer A. McGrath 630-966-2730 [email protected]

Milosh T. Puchovsky 508-831-5113 [email protected]

Terry L. Victor 443-896-1053 [email protected] Richard Schneider 803-289-1305 [email protected]

John Whitney 513-520-5607 [email protected] William F. Stelter 847-295-1010 [email protected] Terry L. Victor 443-896-1053 [email protected]

Joseph R. Sanford 781-891-0230 [email protected]

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NFPA 20 Task Groups For the 2016 Edition of NFPA 20 4 Electrical Chpts 9, 10

Hugh D. Castles, Chairman 9 Electrical Grid Reliability

Dana R. Haagensen, Chairman

Hugh D. Castles 504-576-2222 [email protected] Dana R. Haagensen 978-567-3376 [email protected]

Dana R. Haagensen 978-567-3376 [email protected] Kenneth E. Isman John R. Kovacik 847-664-2972 [email protected] John Whitney 513-520-5607 [email protected] James S. Nasby 847-677-3468 [email protected] Brett Scharpenter 708-389-5600 [email protected] Richard Schneider 803-289-1305 [email protected] William F. Stelter 847-295-1010 [email protected] Doug Stevens

5 Engines Chpts 11,12

John Whitney, Chairman 10 TIA small motors

James S. Nasby, Chairman Kerry M. Bell 847-664-2629 [email protected] Kenneth E. Isman 845-878-4200 [email protected] Charles W. McKnight 208-526-9362 [email protected] John R. Kovacik 847-664-2972 [email protected] Jeffrey R. Roberts 601-992-3405 [email protected] James S. Nasby 847-677-3468 [email protected]

Darrell A. Snyder 706-297-2916 [email protected] Richard Schneider 803-289-1305 [email protected]

John Whitney 513-520-5607 [email protected]

Bob Montgomery 309-578-2166 [email protected]

 

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NFPA 20 –Log #69 (ROC) MS Live/Conference Call

November 3, 2011 – 10AM-11AM EDT

Attendees: Gayle Pennel, TC Chair Chad Duffy, Staff Liaison Michael Aaron Marinus Both Hugh Castles Bill Harvey Hatem Kheir Jennifer McGrath James Nasby Jeffrey Roberts Jim Vanden Boogard Terry Victor John Hulett Kenneth Isman Charles McKnight

1. Chairman Gayle Pennel called the meeting to order at 10:05 EDT.

2. Attendance was taken.

3. Chairman Gayle Pennel asked for a motion on Log #69

4. There was a motion to reopen Log #69 and the motion was seconded.

5. A discussion ensued and revisions were made to the annex figures referenced in Log #69.

6. A motion was made and seconded to Accept in Principal Log #69 based on the distributed material and annex changes.

7. Meeting adjourned at 10:30 AM EDT.

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NFPA 20 –Log #69 (ROC) MS Live/Conference Call

November 3, 2011 – 10AM-11AM EDT

Attendees: Gayle Pennel, TC Chair Chad Duffy, Staff Liaison Michael Aaron Marinus Both Hugh Castles Bill Harvey Hatem Kheir Jennifer McGrath James Nasby Jeffrey Roberts Jim Vanden Boogard Terry Victor John Hulett Kenneth Isman Charles McKnight

1. Chairman Gayle Pennel called the meeting to order at 10:05 EDT.

2. Attendance was taken.

3. Chairman Gayle Pennel asked for a motion on Log #69

4. There was a motion to reopen Log #69 and the motion was seconded.

5. A discussion ensued and revisions were made to the annex figures referenced in Log #69.

6. A motion was made and seconded to Accept in Principal Log #69 based on the distributed material and annex changes.

7. Meeting adjourned at 10:30 AM EDT.

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Attachment #2: Public Input

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Public Input No. 88-NFPA 20-2013 [ New Section after 3.3.38.10 ]

Add New Defination3.3.28.11 Multiple Stage Multiple Port Pump. A single driver pump with multiple impellers operating in series where the discharge from each impeller except the last impeller is the suction for the next impeller, and a discharge port is provided after each impeller.

Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Input

NFPA 20 does not currently address multiple stage multiple port fire pumps

Related Public Inputs for This Document

Related Input RelationshipPublic Input No. 83-NFPA 20-2013 [New Section after 6.2.2]

Submitter Information Verification

Submitter Full Name: Gayle PennelOrganization: Aon Fire Protection EngineerinStreet Address:City: State: Zip:Submittal Date: Mon Jun 17 16:07:21 EDT 2013

Copyright Assignment

I, Gayle Pennel, hereby irrevocably grant and assign to the National Fire Protection Association (NFPA) all and full rights in copyright in this Public Input (including both the Proposed Change and the Statement of Problem and Substantiation). I understand and intend that I acquire no rights, including rights as a joint author, in any publication of the NFPA in which this Public Input in this or another similar or derivative form is used. I herebywarrant that I am the author of this Public Input and that I have full power and authority to enter into this copyright assignment.

By checking this box I affirm that I am Gayle Pennel, and I agree to be legally bound by the above Copyright Assignment and the terms and conditions contained therein. I understand and intend that, by checking this box, I am creating an electronic signature that will, upon my submission of this form, have the same legal force and effect as a handwritten signature

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Public Input No. 63-NFPA 20-2013 [ Section No. 3.3.41 ]

3.3.41 Record Drawing.A design, working drawing, or Drawings. Drawings ( as-builtdrawing) thatis submitted as the final record of documentation for the project.document the location of all devices, appliances, wiring sequences, wiring methods, and connections of the components of the system as installed [72:2016]

Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Input

Paragraph 14.3 refers to record drawings so the definition has been revised to be plural. It would be extremely rare that the design drawings could serve as the record drawings. The record drawings should indicate the as build (installed) condition. In searching for a better definition, it was noted that NFPA 72 already has a definition so it is proposed to extract the definition from NFPA 72. While there may be some text not exactly related to a fire pump installation, the definition still seems to be applicable.

Submitter Information Verification

Submitter Full Name: William KoffelOrganization: Koffel Associates, Inc.Street Address: City:State: Zip: Submittal Date: Thu Jun 06 06:20:42 EDT 2013

Copyright Assignment

I, William Koffel, hereby irrevocably grant and assign to the National Fire Protection Association (NFPA) all and full rights in copyright in this Public Input (including both the Proposed Change and the Statement of Problem and Substantiation). I understand and intend that I acquire no rights, including rights as a joint author, in any publication of the NFPA in which this Public Input in this or another similar or derivative form is used. I herebywarrant that I am the author of this Public Input and that I have full power and authority to enter into this copyright assignment.

By checking this box I affirm that I am William Koffel, and I agree to be legally bound by the above Copyright Assignment and the terms and conditions contained therein. I understand and intend that, by checking this box, I am creating an electronic signature that will, upon my submission of this form, have the same legal force and effect as a handwritten signature

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Public Input No. 15-NFPA 20-2013 [ Section No. 3.3.57.2 ]

3.3.57.2 Low Suction Throttling 2 Suction Pressure Regulating Valve. A pilot-operated valve installed in discharge piping that maintains positive pressure in the suction piping, while monitoring pressure in the suction piping through a sensing line.

Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Input

The proposed term provides consistancy with industry and the FM approval guide.

Submitter Information Verification

Submitter Full Name: Gayle PennelOrganization: Aon Fire Protection EngineerinStreet Address:City: State: Zip:Submittal Date: Tue Feb 12 10:16:15 EST 2013

Copyright Assignment

I, Gayle Pennel, hereby irrevocably grant and assign to the National Fire Protection Association (NFPA) all and full rights in copyright in this Public Input (including both the Proposed Change and the Statement of Problem and Substantiation). I understand and intend that I acquire no rights, including rights as a joint author, in any publication of the NFPA in which this Public Input in this or another similar or derivative form is used. I herebywarrant that I am the author of this Public Input and that I have full power and authority to enter into this copyright assignment.

By checking this box I affirm that I am Gayle Pennel, and I agree to be legally bound by the above Copyright Assignment and the terms and conditions contained therein. I understand and intend that, by checking this box, I am creating an electronic signature that will, upon my submission of this form, have the same legal force and effect as a handwritten signature

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Public Input No. 133-NFPA 20-2013 [ Section No. 4.2.3.1 ]

4.2.3.1Plans shall be drawn to an indicated scale, on sheets of uniform size, and shall indicate, as a minimum, the items from the following list that pertain to the design of the system:

(1) Name of owner and occupant

(2) Location, including street address(3) Point of compass

(4) Name and address of installing contractor

(5) Pump make and model number

(6) Pump rating _______ gpm @ _____ psi ______ rpm

(7) Suction main size, length, location, weight, type type ofmaterial, and point of connection to water supply , as well as size depth to top of pipe if below grade

(8) Size and type of valves,valve indicators

(9) regulators ,regulators,

(10) meters, and valve pits , and depth to top of pipe below gradeWater supply capacity information including the

(11) if present

(12) If a flow test was conducted to determine water supply availability, provide the following:

(a) Location and elevation of static and residual test gauge with relation to the riser the elevation referencepoint

(b) Flow location

(c) Static pressure, psi (bar)

(d) Residual pressure, psi (bar)

(e) Flow, gpm (L/min)

(f) Date

(g) Time

(h) Name of person who conducted the test or supplied theinformation

Other

(13) Pressure, flow, size and elevation of other sources of water supply

, with pressure or elevation

(14)

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(15) Pump driver details including manufacturer , horsepower, voltage, or fuel system details and horsepower

(16) Voltage for electric motor driven pumps(17) Fuel system details for diesel driven pumps

(18) Controller manufacturer, type, and rating

(19) Suction and discharge pipe, fitting, and valve types

(20) Test connection piping and valves

(21) Flow meter details (if used)

(22) Jockey pump If a jockey pump is provided, include jockey pump and controller arrangement , including sensing with sensing linedetails

Additional Proposed Changes

File Name Description Approved4-2-3-1_Plans.tiff This is what the section would look like in legislative text.

Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Input

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4.2.3.1 Plans shall be drawn to an indicated scale, on sheets of uniform size, and shall indicate, as a minimum, the items from the following list that pertain to the design of the system:

1. Name of owner and occupant

2. Location, including street address

3. Point of compass

4. Name and address of installing contractor

5. Pump make and model number

6. Pump rating gpm @ __ psi rpm

7. Suction main size, length, location, weight, type of material, and point of connection to water supply as well as size and type of valves, valve indicators, regulators, meters, and valve pits and depth to top of pipe lf below grade

8. Size and type of valves, regulators, meters, and valve pits if present

9. Water supply capacity information including If a flow test was conducted to determine water supply availability, provide the following:

a) Location and elevation of static and residual test gauge with relation to the fisef elevation reference point

b) Flow location

c) Static pressure, psi (bar)

d) Residual pressure, psi (bar)

e) Flow, gpm (L/min)

f) Date

g) Time

h) Name of person who conducted the test or supplied the information

1 0. tf1 Pressure, flow, size and elevation of other sources of water supply

11. Pump driver details including manufacturer and horsepower, voltage or fuel system details

12. Voltage for electric motor driven pumps

13. Fuel system details for diesel driven pumps

14. Controller manufacturer, type, and rating

15. Suction and discharge pipe, fitting, and valve types

16. Test connection piping and valves

17. Flow meter details (if used)

18. If a jockey pump is provided, include jockey pump and controller arrangement including with sensing line details

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The intent is to clean up the requirements so that they are applicable to fire pump installations. The following changes were made:

1. The weight of the suction piping was eliminated because that is not important. How many pounds of suction pipe are present is not an aspect of fire pump installations that should be subjected to plan review.

2. The "valves, regulators, meters, and valve pits" were moved to their own line with "if present" added to them because they are not always included in a fire pump installation and they should not be limited to suction piping. The AHJ should get this information about valves regarding the discharge valves as well.

3. The "valve indicators" was removed because the type of valve will be included with the description and size of the valve. We should not also have to described the size of the stem coming out of the valve to indicate that it is open.

4. The water supply information in part (8) (except for item "I" which was dealt with separately) only applies to flow test information, so this portion of the list was clarified to show that it only applies to those situations where a flow test was run.

5. The "riser reference point" was changed to "elevation reference point" because a fire pump installation does not have a riser.

6. Item "I" was moved to its own item in the list because it does not pertain to a flow test. Flow and size information was added because this is an important point for items like tanks.

7. Voltage and fuel system requirements were separated to make them independent.

8. The term "if provided" was added to the jockey pump information because they are not always provided and you should not have to provide information on a jockey pump that is not present.

The whole section should look like the following (a legislative version will be provided as an uploaded file because the system messed it up completely):

4.2.3.1 Plans shall be drawn to an indicated scale, on sheets of uniform size, and shall indicate, as a minimum, the items from the following list that pertain to the design of the system: 1. Name of owner and occupant2. Location, including street address 3. Point of compass4. Name and address of installing contractor 5. Pump make and model number6. Pump rating _______ gpm @ _____ psi ______ rpm7. Suction main size, length, location, type of material, and point of connection to water supply as well as depth to top of pipe if below grade 8. Size and type of valves, regulators, meters, and valve pits if present9. If a flow test was conducted to determine water supply availability, provide the following:

a) Location and elevation of static and residual test gauge with relation to the elevation reference point

b) Flow locationc) Static pressure, psi (bar)d) Residual pressure, psi (bar) e) Flow, gpm (L/min)f) Date g) Timeh) Name of person who conducted the test or supplied the information

10. Pressure, flow, size and elevation of other sources of water supply

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11. Pump driver details including manufacturer and horsepower12. Voltage for electric motor driven pumps13. Fuel system details for diesel driven pumps14. Controller manufacturer, type, and rating 15. Suction and discharge pipe, fitting, and valve types 16. Test connection piping and valves17. Flow meter details (if used)18. If a jockey pump is provided, include jockey pump and controller arrangement with sensing line details

Submitter Information Verification

Submitter Full Name: Kenneth IsmanOrganization: National Fire Sprinkler AssociationStreet Address:City: State: Zip:Submittal Date: Mon Jul 08 11:00:52 EDT 2013

Copyright Assignment

I, Kenneth Isman, hereby irrevocably grant and assign to the National Fire Protection Association (NFPA) all and full rights in copyright in this Public Input (including both the Proposed Change and the Statement ofProblem and Substantiation). I understand and intend that I acquire no rights, including rights as a joint author, in any publication of the NFPA in which this Public Input in this or another similar or derivative form is used. I hereby warrant that I am the author of this Public Input and that I have full power and authority to enter into this copyright assignment.

By checking this box I affirm that I am Kenneth Isman, and I agree to be legally bound by the above Copyright Assignment and the terms and conditions contained therein. I understand and intend that, by checking this box, I am creating an electronic signature that will, upon my submission of this form, have the same legal force and effect as a handwritten signature

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Public Input No. 77-NFPA 20-2013 [ New Section after 4.5.1.1 ]

Insert New Section after 4.5.14.5.1.1 For multiple stage multiple port pump, certified shop test data, including flow, pressure, and horsepower, shall be provided for each impeller.

Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Input

Part of needed changes to add multiple stage multiple port pumps to NFPA 20

Related Public Inputs for This Document

Related Input RelationshipPublic Input No. 76-NFPA 20-2013 [New Section after A.3.3.36]

Part of Multiple Stage Multiple Port Pump Requirements

Submitter Information Verification

Submitter Full Name: Gayle PennelOrganization: Aon Fire Protection EngineerinStreet Address:City: State: Zip:Submittal Date: Mon Jun 17 15:02:54 EDT 2013

Copyright Assignment

I, Gayle Pennel, hereby irrevocably grant and assign to the National Fire Protection Association (NFPA) all and full rights in copyright in this Public Input (including both the Proposed Change and the Statement of Problem and Substantiation). I understand and intend that I acquire no rights, including rights as a joint author, in any publication of the NFPA in which this Public Input in this or another similar or derivative form is used. I herebywarrant that I am the author of this Public Input and that I have full power and authority to enter into this copyright assignment.

By checking this box I affirm that I am Gayle Pennel, and I agree to be legally bound by the above Copyright Assignment and the terms and conditions contained therein. I understand and intend that, by checking this box, I am creating an electronic signature that will, upon my submission of this form, have the same legal force and effect as a handwritten signature

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Public Input No. 32-NFPA 20-2013 [ Section No. 4.6.1.2 ]

4.6.1.2Where a water flow test is used to determine the adequacy of the attached water supply, the test shall have been completed not more than 12 months prior to the submission of working plans and shall represent the highest peak demand on the attached water supply ,unless otherwise permitted by the authority having jurisdiction.

Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Input

Currently there is no guidance or requirements regarding the performance of the attached water supply. Fire pump installers can perform fire pump testing when the water supply is under its least demand. There are instances where the water supply may be inadequate because the demand generated by other users. The fire pump test would fail; however, the pump test could be performed when demand for water is significantly less resulting in an adequate supply of water. The purpose of the pump is to supply water for the purposes of fire protection 24/7, 365 days per year, and it should be tested when the water demand is the greatest. This would result in a more accurate performance of the fire protection system and provide more accurate information for fire department pre-planning efforts where the water system may under perform.

In the event that the water supply is deemed inadequate the provisions of 4.6.2.3.1 and 4.6.2.3.2 would apply.

Submitter Information Verification

Submitter Full Name: Doug HohbeinOrganization: Northcentral Fire Code DevelopStreet Address:City: State: Zip:Submittal Date: Tue Apr 02 22:35:30 EDT 2013

Copyright Assignment

I, Doug Hohbein, hereby irrevocably grant and assign to the National Fire Protection Association (NFPA) all and full rights in copyright in this Public Input (including both the Proposed Change and the Statement of Problem and Substantiation). I understand and intend that I acquire no rights, including rights as a joint author, in any publication of the NFPA in which this Public Input in this or another similar or derivative form is used. I herebywarrant that I am the author of this Public Input and that I have full power and authority to enter into this copyright assignment.

By checking this box I affirm that I am Doug Hohbein, and I agree to be legally bound by the above Copyright Assignment and the terms and conditions contained therein. I understand and intend that, by checking this box, I am creating an electronic signature that will, upon my submission of this form, have the same legal force and effect as a handwritten signature

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Public Input No. 73-NFPA 20-2013 [ New Section after 4.6.2.3.2 ]

TITLE OF NEW CONTENT4.6.2.4* The effect of the fire pump operation on the water supply shall be reviewed.4.6.2.4.1 The operation of the fire pump shall not create excessive pressure surges in the water supply.

Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Input

Pressure surge issues that can result in broken pipe and/or system components is currently not addressed by NFPA 20.

Submitter Information Verification

Submitter Full Name: Gayle PennelOrganization: Aon Fire Protection EngineerinStreet Address:City: State: Zip:Submittal Date: Fri Jun 07 15:27:08 EDT 2013

Copyright Assignment

I, Gayle Pennel, hereby irrevocably grant and assign to the National Fire Protection Association (NFPA) all and full rights in copyright in this Public Input (including both the Proposed Change and the Statement of Problem and Substantiation). I understand and intend that I acquire no rights, including rights as a joint author, in any publication of the NFPA in which this Public Input in this or another similar or derivative form is used. I herebywarrant that I am the author of this Public Input and that I have full power and authority to enter into this copyright assignment.

By checking this box I affirm that I am Gayle Pennel, and I agree to be legally bound by the above Copyright Assignment and the terms and conditions contained therein. I understand and intend that, by checking this box, I am creating an electronic signature that will, upon my submission of this form, have the same legal force and effect as a handwritten signature

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Public Input No. 89-NFPA 20-2013 [ New Section after 4.7.7.3.2 ]

Add new Section4.8 Multiple Stage Multiple Port Pump.4.8.1 Multiple Stage Multiple Port Fire Pumps shall be installed in accordance with this standard.4.8.2 A shutoff valve shall not be required between the impellers of a multiple stagemultiple port pump.

Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Input

Part of multiple stage multiple port fire pump requirements

Related Public Inputs for This Document

Related Input RelationshipPublic Input No. 76-NFPA 20-2013 [New Section after A.3.3.36]

Part of multiple stage multiple port fire pump requirements

Submitter Information Verification

Submitter Full Name: Gayle PennelOrganization: Aon Fire Protection EngineerinStreet Address: City:State: Zip: Submittal Date: Mon Jun 17 16:30:54 EDT 2013

Copyright Assignment

I, Gayle Pennel, hereby irrevocably grant and assign to the National Fire Protection Association (NFPA) all and full rights in copyright in this Public Input (including both the Proposed Change and the Statement of Problem and Substantiation). I understand and intend that I acquire no rights, including rights as a joint author, in any publication of the NFPA in which this Public Input in this or another similar or derivative form is used. I herebywarrant that I am the author of this Public Input and that I have full power and authority to enter into this copyright assignment.

By checking this box I affirm that I am Gayle Pennel, and I agree to be legally bound by the above Copyright Assignment and the terms and conditions contained therein. I understand and intend that, by checking this box, I am creating an electronic signature that will, upon my submission of this form, have the same legal force and effect as a handwritten signature

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Public Input No. 78-NFPA 20-2013 [ New Section after 4.8 ]

Add New Sections4.8 Multiple Stage Multiple Port Pumps.4.8.1 Multiple Stage Multiple Port Fire Pumps shall be installed in accordance with this standard.4.8.2 A shutoff valve shall not be required between the impellers of a multiple stage multiple port pump.

Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Input

Part of requirements to add multiple stage multiple port fire pumps to NFPA 20

Related Public Inputs for This Document

Related Input RelationshipPublic Input No. 75-NFPA 20-2013 [New Section after 3.3.38.11]

Part of multiple stage multiple port fire pump requirements

Public Input No. 76-NFPA 20-2013 [New Section after A.3.3.36]

Part of multiple stage multiple port fire pump requirements

Public Input No. 77-NFPA 20-2013 [New Section after 4.5.1.1]

Part of multiple stage multiple port fire pump requirements

Submitter Information Verification

Submitter Full Name: Gayle PennelOrganization: Aon Fire Protection EngineerinStreet Address: City:State: Zip: Submittal Date: Mon Jun 17 15:06:59 EDT 2013

Copyright Assignment

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Public Input No. 54-NFPA 20-2013 [ Section No. 4.10.1.2 ]

4.10.1.2The dial shall required pressure gauges shall be approved ASME 40.1, Grade B Commercial guages having an accuracy of +/- 3-2-3% of span and the dial shall indicate pressure to at least twice the rated working pressure of the pump but not less than 200 psi (13.8 bar).

Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Input

A specific gauge accurcy needs to be indicated.

Submitter Information Verification

Submitter Full Name: Tracey BellamyOrganization: Telgian CorporationStreet Address: City:State: Zip: Submittal Date: Thu May 23 12:33:29 EDT 2013

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Public Input No. 55-NFPA 20-2013 [ Section No. 4.10.2.3 ]

4.10.2.3The required pressure gauges shall be approved ASME 40.1, Grade B Commercial gauges having an accuracy of +/-3-2-3% of span and the gauge shall have a pressure range two times the rated maximum suction pressure of the pump.

Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Input

A specific gauge accurcy needs to be specified.

Submitter Information Verification

Submitter Full Name: Tracey BellamyOrganization: Telgian CorporationStreet Address: City:State: Zip: Submittal Date: Thu May 23 12:37:02 EDT 2013

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I, Tracey Bellamy, hereby irrevocably grant and assign to the National Fire Protection Association (NFPA) all and full rights in copyright in this Public Input (including both the Proposed Change and the Statement ofProblem and Substantiation). I understand and intend that I acquire no rights, including rights as a joint author, in any publication of the NFPA in which this Public Input in this or another similar or derivative form is used. I hereby warrant that I am the author of this Public Input and that I have full power and authority to enter into this copyright assignment.

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Public Input No. 125-NFPA 20-2013 [ New Section after 4.11.1 ]

Full flow of cooling water to the pump during churn in variable speed pressure limiting controlled fire pumpsWhere an electric variable speed pressure limiting controller is installed, the automatic relief valve shall be bypassed by a normally-closed, electric solenoid operated valve, permitting full flow of cooling water to the pump when the variable speed pressure limiting controller is running regardless of the discharge output of the pump. Energy to operate the solenoid valve shall be provided by the variable speedpressure limiting controller when operating in variable speed mode only.

Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Input

When the pressure set point is satisfied during churn, the variable speed drive runs at a minimum speed which is often set at 50% of rated motor full-speed. Not enough pressure is developed at this minimum speed to provide adequate water flow for cooling the pump. This is a concern since the pump can be running in churn for a period of time during a weekly or monthly test for example. Outside of the variable speed drive, the problem doesn't exist since the motor is operating at full-speed during churn and is developing adequate pressure for flowing cooling water, unless of course, the relief valve isn't properly set.

Submitter Information Verification

Submitter Full Name: DOUG STEPHENSOrganization: ASCO POWER TECHNOLOGIESStreet Address: City:State: Zip: Submittal Date: Sun Jul 07 21:46:01 EDT 2013

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Public Input No. 90-NFPA 20-2013 [ New Section after 4.11.1.2 ]

Add New Section4.11.1.2.1 A multiple stage multiple port pumps the automatic relief valve shall be installed before the discharge check valve for the last port and set below the minimum discharge pressure from the last port with the highest pressure rated impeller discharging 150% of rated flow.

Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Input

Part of multiple stage multiple port fire pump requirements

Related Public Inputs for This Document

Related Input RelationshipPublic Input No. 88-NFPA 20-2013 [New Section after 3.3.38.10]

Part of multiple stage multiple port fire pump requirements

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Submitter Full Name: Gayle PennelOrganization: Aon Fire Protection EngineerinStreet Address: City:State: Zip: Submittal Date: Mon Jun 17 16:35:29 EDT 2013

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Public Input No. 13-NFPA 20-2013 [ New Section after 4.12 ]

Fire Pump AccessibilityThe path to the fire pump shall be clear, obvious, and readily accessible.

Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Input

There is nothing in the standard that specifically states that access to the fire pump must be unobstructed and easy to get to. As an example, if the door to the fire pump room is difficult to open, there is nothing specfici that says one must be able to reach the fire pump easily.

Submitter Information Verification

Submitter Full Name: Hal CohenOrganization: HCC and Associates, Inc.Street Address: City:State: Zip: Submittal Date: Fri Feb 01 14:32:51 EST 2013

Copyright Assignment

I, Hal Cohen, hereby irrevocably grant and assign to the National Fire Protection Association (NFPA) all and full rights in copyright in this Public Input (including both the Proposed Change and the Statement of Problem and Substantiation). I understand and intend that I acquire no rights, including rights as a joint author, in any publication of the NFPA in which this Public Input in this or another similar or derivative form is used. I herebywarrant that I am the author of this Public Input and that I have full power and authority to enter into this copyright assignment.

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Public Input No. 33-NFPA 20-2013 [ Section No. 4.12.1.3 ]

4.12.1.3 Fire Pump Buildings or Rooms with Diesel Engines .Fire pump buildings or rooms enclosing diesel engine pump drivers and daytanks shall rooms shall be protected with an automatic sprinkler system installed in accordance with NFPA 13, Standard for the Installation of Sprinkler Systems.

Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Input

The purpose of this amendment is to require that fire sprinkler protection be provided in all fire pump rooms. The base code already requires this protection for diesel fire pumps. This amendment will extend that protection to electric fire pumps. The intent of this amendment is to provide protection for the fire pump equipment.

Submitter Information Verification

Submitter Full Name: Kelly NicolelloOrganization: Western Regional Fire Code DevStreet Address: City: State:Zip: Submittal Date: Tue Apr 16 16:52:23 EDT 2013

Copyright Assignment

I, Kelly Nicolello, hereby irrevocably grant and assign to the National Fire Protection Association (NFPA) all and full rights in copyright in this Public Input (including both the Proposed Change and the Statement of Problem and Substantiation). I understand and intend that I acquire no rights, including rights as a joint author, in anypublication of the NFPA in which this Public Input in this or another similar or derivative form is used. I hereby warrant that I am the author of this Public Input and that I have full power and authority to enter into this copyright assignment.

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Public Input No. 134-NFPA 20-2013 [ Section No. 4.12.2.1.1 ]

4.12.2.1.1Fire pump rooms not directly accessible from the outside shall be accessible through an enclosed passageway from an enclosed stairway or exterior exit , which is not part of a required means ofegress .

Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Input

Access to a fire pump room should not be allowed to be from a protected exit enclosure. Protected exit enclosures are very important to the means of egress and should not be utilized for this type of equipment access. Any problems associated with equipment failure could jeopardize the integrity of the means of egress, as protected exit enclosures are dedicated egress paths. It appears that the allowance in this section of NFPA 20 conflicts with NFPA 5000, section 11.1.3.2.1.6, and also the IBC. These documents do not allow such openings into protected exit enclosures.

NFPA 5000, section 11.1.3.2.1.6* states: Openings in exit enclosures shall be limited to doors from normally occupied spaces and corridors and for egress from the enclosure, unless such openings are in exit passageways in mall buildings, as provided in 27.2.2.7.

NFPA 5000, section A.11.1.3.2.1.6 states: Means of egress from the level of exit discharge is permitted to pass through an exit stair enclosure or exit passageway serving other floors. Doors for convenience purposes and unrelated to egress also are permitted to provide access to and from exit stair enclosures and exit passageways, provided that such doors are from corridors or normally occupied spaces. It is also the intent of this provision to prohibit exit enclosure windows, other than approved vision panels in doors, that are not mounted in an exterior wall.

This revision would require a dedicated and protected access to the fire pump room, if there is no direct access from outside. This will ensure that during a fire, the fire department has good access to the fire pump room without the risk of compromising the protected exit enclosure. If the Technical Committee does not agree with this change, then consideration should be given to adding an exception for fire pump room access in NFPA 5000.

Submitter Information Verification

Submitter Full Name: Jim MuirOrganization: Building Safety Division, Clark County, WashingtonAffilliation: NFPA Building Code Development Committee (BCDC)Street Address:City: State: Zip:Submittal Date: Mon Jul 08 12:44:22 EDT 2013

Copyright Assignment

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Public Input No. 30-NFPA 20-2013 [ Section No. 4.12.2.1.1 ]

4.12.2.1.1Fire pump rooms not directly accessible from the outside shall be accessible through an enclosed passageway from an enclosed stairway or exterior exit passageway .

Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Input

Building and fire codes will typically prohibit openings into normally unoccupied areas such as mechanical equipment spaces where fire pumps are typically located (for example see 7.1.3.2.1(9) in NFPA 101).

Submitter Information Verification

Submitter Full Name: Bill GallowayOrganization: Southern Regional Fire Code DeStreet Address: City: State:Zip: Submittal Date: Tue Mar 12 13:13:15 EDT 2013

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I, Bill Galloway, hereby irrevocably grant and assign to the National Fire Protection Association (NFPA) all and full rights in copyright in this Public Input (including both the Proposed Change and the Statement of Problem and Substantiation). I understand and intend that I acquire no rights, including rights as a joint author, in any publication of the NFPA in which this Public Input in this or another similar or derivative form is used. I hereby warrant that I am the author of this Public Input and that I have full power and authority to enter into this copyright assignment.

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Public Input No. 64-NFPA 20-2013 [ New Section after 4.12.5.1 ]

4.12.5.2 The minimum average horizontal illumination provided by normal lighting sources in the separate building or room housing the firepump equipment shall be 32.3 lux (3.0 ft-candles) measured at the floor level, unless otherwise specified by a requirement recognized by the authority having jurisdiction.

Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Input

The level of illumination required by NFPA 101 for emergency light is an average of 1 ft-candle and, at any point, not less than 0.1 ft-candle. While adequate for egress purposes, the level of illumination is not adequate for a person to work in a fire pump room should normal power be lost. The level of illumination recommended in this Public Input is consistent with a Level 1 EPS room (per NFPA 110). The Committee might also want to consider requirement battery-operated emergency light units consistent with the requirements in NFPA 110. The Committee may also want to give consideration to the duration of the emergency lighting system. NFPA 101 would require a minimum of 90 minutes and would the lighting level to degrade from the performance stated above during that time period. Whereas the water supply duration and operation of the fire pump may be in excess of 90 minutes, NFPA 20 may want to require emergency lighting for a longer period of time.

Submitter Information Verification

Submitter Full Name: William KoffelOrganization: Koffel Associates, Inc.Street Address: City:State: Zip: Submittal Date: Thu Jun 06 06:35:37 EDT 2013

Copyright Assignment

I, William Koffel, hereby irrevocably grant and assign to the National Fire Protection Association (NFPA) all and full rights in copyright in this Public Input (including both the Proposed Change and the Statement of Problem and Substantiation). I understand and intend that I acquire no rights, including rights as a joint author, in any publication of the NFPA in which this Public Input in this or another similar or derivative form is used. I herebywarrant that I am the author of this Public Input and that I have full power and authority to enter into this copyright assignment.

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Public Input No. 6-NFPA 20-2013 [ Section No. 4.12.8 ]

4.12.8 Guards. Couplings and flexible connecting shafts shall be installed with a coupling guard in accordance with Section 8 of ANSI B15.1, Safety Standard forMechanical Power Transmission Apparatus.

ANSI B15.1 is not longer available and is superseding by ANSI B11.19 - 2010

Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Input

Establish a requirement based on a standard that is no longer available and has been superseded by another.

Submitter Information Verification

Submitter Full Name: Aldo RestrepoOrganization: TIPIEL SAStreet Address: City:State: Zip: Submittal Date: Tue Jan 15 16:49:06 EST 2013

Copyright Assignment

I, Aldo Restrepo, hereby irrevocably grant and assign to the National Fire Protection Association (NFPA) all and full rights in copyright in this Public Input (including both the Proposed Change and the Statement of Problem and Substantiation). I understand and intend that I acquire no rights, including rights as a joint author, in any publication of the NFPA in which this Public Input in this or another similar or derivative form is used. I herebywarrant that I am the author of this Public Input and that I have full power and authority to enter into this copyright assignment.

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Public Input No. 80-NFPA 20-2013 [ New Section after 4.14.1.2 ]

Add New Section4.14.1.2 For multiple stage multiple port pumps, the suction pipe ends at the pump suction flange.

Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Input

Part of multiple stage multiple port fire pump requirements

Related Public Inputs for This Document

Related Input RelationshipPublic Input No. 75-NFPA 20-2013 [New Section after 3.3.38.11]

Part of multiple stage multiple port fire pump requirements

Public Input No. 76-NFPA 20-2013 [New Section after A.3.3.36]

Part of multiple stage multiple port fire pump requirements

Public Input No. 77-NFPA 20-2013 [New Section after 4.5.1.1]

Part of multiple stage multiple port fire pump requirements

Public Input No. 78-NFPA 20-2013 [New Section after 4.8]

Part of multiple stage multiple port fire pump requirements

Public Input No. 79-NFPA 20-2013 [New Section after 4.11.1.3]

Part of multiple stage multiple port fire pump requirements

Submitter Information Verification

Submitter Full Name: Gayle PennelOrganization: Aon Fire Protection EngineerinStreet Address: City:State: Zip: Submittal Date: Mon Jun 17 15:18:27 EDT 2013

Copyright Assignment

I, Gayle Pennel, hereby irrevocably grant and assign to the National Fire Protection Association (NFPA) all and full rights in copyright in this Public Input (including both the Proposed Change and the Statement of Problem and Substantiation). I understand and intend that I acquire no rights, including rights as a joint author, in any publication of the NFPA in which this Public Input in this or another similar or derivative form is used. I herebywarrant that I am the author of this Public Input and that I have full power and authority to enter into this copyright assignment.

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Public Input No. 91-NFPA 20-2013 [ New Section after 4.14.4.1 ]

Add new section4.14.4.2 For multiple stage multiple port pumps a bypass shall be installed between the pump suction and the first outlet port, and between sequential outlet ports whenever the bypass can provide pressure that is of material value without the impeller. (See Figure A.4.14.4.)

Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Input

Part of multiple stage multiple port fire pump requirements not currently covered by NFPA 20

Related Public Inputs for This Document

Related Input RelationshipPublic Input No. 88-NFPA 20-2013 [New Section after 3.3.38.10]

Part of multiple stage multiple port fire pump requirements

Submitter Information Verification

Submitter Full Name: Gayle PennelOrganization: Aon Fire Protection EngineerinStreet Address: City:State: Zip: Submittal Date: Mon Jun 17 16:42:38 EDT 2013

Copyright Assignment

I, Gayle Pennel, hereby irrevocably grant and assign to the National Fire Protection Association (NFPA) all and full rights in copyright in this Public Input (including both the Proposed Change and the Statement of Problem and Substantiation). I understand and intend that I acquire no rights, including rights as a joint author, in any publication of the NFPA in which this Public Input in this or another similar or derivative form is used. I herebywarrant that I am the author of this Public Input and that I have full power and authority to enter into this copyright assignment.

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Public Input No. 92-NFPA 20-2013 [ New Section after 4.15.1 ]

Add New Section4.15.2 For multiple stage multiple port pumps the discharge components for each port shall consist of pipe, valves, and fittings extending from the pump port discharge flange to the system side of the discharge valve for that port..

Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Input

Part of multiple stage multiple port fire pump requirements not currently covered in NFPA 20.

Related Public Inputs for This Document

Related Input RelationshipPublic Input No. 88-NFPA 20-2013 [New Section after 3.3.38.10]

Submitter Information Verification

Submitter Full Name: Gayle PennelOrganization: Aon Fire Protection EngineerinStreet Address:City: State: Zip:Submittal Date: Mon Jun 17 16:47:26 EDT 2013

Copyright Assignment

I, Gayle Pennel, hereby irrevocably grant and assign to the National Fire Protection Association (NFPA) all and full rights in copyright in this Public Input (including both the Proposed Change and the Statement of Problem and Substantiation). I understand and intend that I acquire no rights, including rights as a joint author, in any publication of the NFPA in which this Public Input in this or another similar or derivative form is used. I herebywarrant that I am the author of this Public Input and that I have full power and authority to enter into this copyright assignment.

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Public Input No. 16-NFPA 20-2013 [ Section No. 4.15.9.1 ]

4.15.9.1 Low suction throttling valves Suction pressure regulating valves or variable speed suction limiting controls for pump drivers that are listed for fire pump service and that are suction pressure sensitive shall be permitted where the authority having jurisdiction requires positive pressure to be maintained on the suction piping.

Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Input

Makes the terminology consistant with the FM Approval Guide

Related Public Inputs for This Document

Related Input RelationshipPublic Input No. 15-NFPA 20-2013 [Section No. 3.3.57.2]

Align terminology with FM Approval Guide

Submitter Information Verification

Submitter Full Name: Gayle PennelOrganization: Aon Fire Protection EngineerinStreet Address:City: State: Zip:Submittal Date: Tue Feb 12 10:25:19 EST 2013

Copyright Assignment

I, Gayle Pennel, hereby irrevocably grant and assign to the National Fire Protection Association (NFPA) all and full rights in copyright in this Public Input (including both the Proposed Change and the Statement of Problem and Substantiation). I understand and intend that I acquire no rights, including rights as a joint author, in any publication of the NFPA in which this Public Input in this or another similar or derivative form is used. I herebywarrant that I am the author of this Public Input and that I have full power and authority to enter into this copyright assignment.

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Public Input No. 20-NFPA 20-2013 [ Sections 4.15.9.1, 4.15.9.2,

4.15.9.3, 4.15.9.4, 4.15.9.5 ]

Sections 4.15.9.1, 4.15.9.2, 4.15.9.3, 4.15.9.4, 4.15.9.54.15.9.1 Low suction throttling valves or variable speed suction limiting controls for pump drivers that Suction pressure regulating valves that are listed for fire pump service and that are suction pressure sensitive shall be permitted where the authority having jurisdiction requires positive pressure to be maintained on the suction piping.4.15.9.2 When a low suction throttling valve a suction pressure regulating valve is used, it shall be installed according to manufacturers' recommendations in the piping between the pump and the discharge check valve.4.15.9.3 The size of the low suction throttling the suction pressure regulating valve shall not be less than that given for discharge piping in Section 4.26.4.15.9.4 The friction loss through a low suction throttling valve a suction pressureregulating valve in the fully open position shall be taken into account in the design of the fire protection system.4.15.9.5 System design shall be such that the low suction throttling valve the suction pressure regulating valve is in the fully open position at system design point.

Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Input

Make terminology consistant with industry and FM Approval Guide.Variable speed pressure limiting components are not installed on the fire pump discharge piping.

Related Public Inputs for This Document

Related Input RelationshipPublic Input No. 15-NFPA 20-2013 [Section No.3.3.57.2]

Terminology modification

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Public Input No. 14-NFPA 20-2013 [ Section No. 4.15.9.5 ]

4.15.9.5 System design shall be such that the low suction throttling valve is in the fully open position at the system design point and at 100% of rated flow .

Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Input

NFPA 20 requires operation and testing of a fire pump at the higher of the system demand or 100% of rated flow. The throttling valve must be fully open to accomplish this.

Submitter Information Verification

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Public Input No. 72-NFPA 20-2013 [ New Section after 4.17.5 ]

TITLE OF NEW CONTENT4.18* Protection of System Components Against Pressure Surges.4.18.1 The operation of the fire pump shall not result in excessive pressuresurges4.18.2 When required to prevent excessive pressure surges, a means of surge suppression shall be installed.

Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Input

NFPA 20 currently does not address the issue of pressure surges that may result in broken pipe and/or system components.

Submitter Information Verification

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I, Gayle Pennel, hereby irrevocably grant and assign to the National Fire Protection Association (NFPA) all and full rights in copyright in this Public Input (including both the Proposed Change and the Statement of Problem and Substantiation). I understand and intend that I acquire no rights, including rights as a joint author, in any publication of the NFPA in which this Public Input in this or another similar or derivative form is used. I herebywarrant that I am the author of this Public Input and that I have full power and authority to enter into this copyright assignment.

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Public Input No. 17-NFPA 20-2013 [ Section No. 4.18.1.2 ]

4.18.1.2 Where a diesel engine fire pump is installed and where a total of 121 percent of the net rated shutoff (churn) pressure plus the maximum static suction pressure, adjusted for elevation, exceeds 125% of the pressure for which the system components are rated, a pressure relief valve shall be installed. When installed, the pressure relief valve shall be set to operate at a pressure at orbelow the pressure rating of the system components adjusted for elevation.

Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Input

Under current requirements pressure relief valves are installed to protect against the failure of a variable speed pump or diesel engine overspeed. It is preferrable to subject system components to a limited pressure excess rather than installing a pressure relief valve that introduces another failure mode. Currently systems may be hydrostatically tested to 50 psi over there rated pressure and pressure relief valves are allowed by the testing standards to exceed the set pressure by 25%. 125% of rated pressure is well below the component safety factor and is a reasonable overpressurization to avoid pressure relief valves.

Submitter Information Verification

Submitter Full Name: Gayle PennelOrganization: Aon Fire Protection EngineerinStreet Address:City: State: Zip:Submittal Date: Tue Feb 12 10:37:31 EST 2013

Copyright Assignment

I, Gayle Pennel, hereby irrevocably grant and assign to the National Fire Protection Association (NFPA) all and full rights in copyright in this Public Input (including both the Proposed Change and the Statement of Problem and Substantiation). I understand and intend that I acquire no rights, including rights as a joint author, in any publication of the NFPA in which this Public Input in this or another similar or derivative form is used. I herebywarrant that I am the author of this Public Input and that I have full power and authority to enter into this copyright assignment.

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Public Input No. 135-NFPA 20-2013 [ New Section after 4.18.1.3 ]

4.18.1.3.1 Pressure relief valve shall be set at 10 psi above system rated pressure.4.18.1.3.2 Where the variable speed pressure limiting controller or diesel pressure limiting driver allows a pressure rise back to shutoff the pressure relief valve shall be set at 10 psi above the pressure at shutoff.

Additional Proposed Changes

File Name Description Approved4.18.1.3.1_4.18.1.3.2.pdf Cover Sheet

Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Input

Instability of the variable speed pressure limiting control can occur when the pressure relief valve is set too close to the set pressure of the variable speed pressure limiting control.

Submitter Information Verification

Submitter Full Name: KEVIN KUNKLEROrganization: CLARKE FIRE PROT PRODUCTSStreet Address:City: State: Zip:Submittal Date: Tue Jul 09 11:25:31 EDT 2013

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I, KEVIN KUNKLER, hereby irrevocably grant and assign to the National Fire Protection Association (NFPA) all and full rights in copyright in this Public Input (including both the Proposed Change and the Statement ofProblem and Substantiation). I understand and intend that I acquire no rights, including rights as a joint author, in any publication of the NFPA in which this Public Input in this or another similar or derivative form is used. I hereby warrant that I am the author of this Public Input and that I have full power and authority to enter into this copyright assignment.

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Public Input No. 28-NFPA 20-2013 [ Section No. 4.18.2 ]

4.18.2 Size.The relief valve size shall be determined by one of the methods specified in 4.18.2.1 or 4.18.2.2 .

4.18.2.1*

The relief valve shall be permitted to be sized hydraulically to discharge sufficient the minimum size that will flow sufficient water to prevent the pump discharge pressure, adjusted for elevation, from exceeding the pressure rating of the system components.4.18.2.2

If the relief valve is not sized hydraulically, the relief valve size shall not be less than that given in Section 4.26 . (See also 4.18.7 andA.4.18.7 for conditions that affect size.)

Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Input

Failure of an oversized pressure relief valve will divert all or a substantial amount of water from the fire protection system. Proper sizing of the pressure relief valve would provide more water to the fire protection system with a pressure relief valve failure. In general, pressure relief valve sized in Table 4.26(a) are: 1 size to larger than required for pressure relief valves discharging to atmosphere, the correct size for most pressure relief valves returned to suction, but may be undersized for pressure relief valves returned to suction when the water supply has a high static pressure.

Submitter Information Verification

Submitter Full Name: Gayle PennelOrganization: Aon Fire Protection EngineerinStreet Address:City: State: Zip:Submittal Date: Thu Mar 07 13:24:53 EST 2013

Copyright Assignment

I, Gayle Pennel, hereby irrevocably grant and assign to the National Fire Protection Association (NFPA) all and full rights in copyright in this Public Input (including both the Proposed Change and the Statement of Problem and Substantiation). I understand and intend that I acquire no rights, including rights as a joint author, in any publication of the NFPA in which this Public Input in this or another similar or derivative form is used. I herebywarrant that I am the author of this Public Input and that I have full power and authority to enter into this copyright assignment.

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Public Input No. 12-NFPA 20-2013 [ Section No. 4.18.6.3 ]

4.18.6.3 Relief valve discharge piping returning water back to the supply source, such as an aboveground storage tank, shall be run independently and not be combined with the discharge from other relief valves.

Additional Proposed Changes

File Name Description Approved20_Yacine.pdf Cover sheet

Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Input

We are operating oil & gas onshore based production and processing facilities. We have a firewater system, including fire water main covering different installations and equipments, a firewater tank, and three firewater pumps two electric pumps and one diesel with two jockey pumps for pressure maintenance. The firewater system in its current status is virtually designed in accordance to NFPA 20.First, with regard to NFPA 20, 4.18.9 we have no means to close the pressure relief valve

in order to conduct fire pump performance test as required by NFPA 25, 8.3.3.3.2. In fact our relief valves don't have the option to be maintained closed in all flow conditions. Moreover, we cannot see the difference between a closed relief valve and a closed relief valve discharge. So we believe that installing shutoff valves in the discharge side of the relief valves will allow as accomplishing fire pump performance test in accordance to NFPA 20 and NFPA 25.Second, our relief valves discharge lines off of the three main pumps and the two jockey

pumps are connected to a common discharge header which goes back to the bottom the storage tank (the supply source) which is not in accordance to NFPA 20, 4.18.6.3. Consequently we are not able to inspect or repair the pressure relief valves without isolating and shutting downt he whole firewater system for an extended period which in turn will compromise the safety of our installations.While it is not cost effective to run discharge piping returning water back tot he storage

tank independently from each pump's pressure relief valve, installing shutoff valves in the discharge side of the pressure relief valves will permit us to inspect and maintain them without the need to isolate and shutdown the whole firewater system.We understand that the firewater system (our more important emergency response

equipment) should be design engineered in such a way to prevent human errors (such as forgetting the shutoff valve in the closed position) from compromising its integrity nevertheless it is worthy noting that we are installing shutoff valves in the discharge of relief devices within other process equipments involving higher pressures with more hazardous fluids and it is permitted according to ASME Pressure Vessel Code, Section VIII, Appendix M, M-6 Stop Valves on the Discharge Side of a Pressure Relieving Device, and API RP 520, Part II, Section 4 Isolation (Stop) Valves in Pressure Relief Piping while, of course managing valves positions by procedures. So, why are we not allowed, as per NFPA 20, to do this within FW pumps?

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Submitter Full Name: BENMOUSSA MOHAMED YACINEOrganization: SONARCO JV SONATRACH BPStreet Address:City: State: Zip:Submittal Date: Mon Jan 28 12:46:40 EST 2013

Copyright Assignment

I, BENMOUSSA MOHAMED YACINE, hereby irrevocably grant and assign to the National Fire Protection Association (NFPA) all and full rights in copyright in this Public Input (including both the Proposed Change and the Statement of Problem and Substantiation). I understand and intend that I acquire no rights, including rights as a joint author, in any publication of the NFPA in which this Public Input in this or another similar or derivative form is used. I hereby warrant that I am the author of this Public Input and that I have full power and authority to enter into this copyright assignment.

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Public Input No. 51-NFPA 20-2013 [ Section No. 4.18.6.3 ]

4.18.6.3Relief valve discharge piping returning water back to the supply source, such as an aboveground storage tank, shall be run independently and not be combined with the discharge from other relief valves other discharge piping .

Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Input

Section 4.18.6.3 does not specifically prohibit connection of the relief valve discharge to the discharge of the pump's testing line.

Submitter Information Verification

Submitter Full Name: Sergio LinanOrganization: Zurich Insurance CompanyAffilliation: Zurich Insurance ComanyStreet Address: City:State: Zip: Submittal Date: Tue May 14 16:29:28 EDT 2013

Copyright Assignment

I, Sergio Linan, hereby irrevocably grant and assign to the National Fire Protection Association (NFPA) all and full rights in copyright in this Public Input (including both the Proposed Change and the Statement of Problem and Substantiation). I understand and intend that I acquire no rights, including rights as a joint author, in any publication of the NFPA in which this Public Input in this or another similar or derivative form is used. I herebywarrant that I am the author of this Public Input and that I have full power and authority to enter into this copyright assignment.

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Public Input No. 27-NFPA 20-2013 [ New Section after 4.18.7.1 ]

TITLE OF NEW CONTENT14.8.7.1.1 The circulation relief valve shall be set to open between 10 to 20 psi above the maximum fire pump suction pressure.

Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Input

Guidance is needed to assure that the circulation relief valve will operate when the pressure relief valve is open so that a cooling flow will occur.

Submitter Information Verification

Submitter Full Name: Gayle PennelOrganization: Aon Fire Protection EngineerinStreet Address:City: State: Zip:Submittal Date: Thu Mar 07 13:14:23 EST 2013

Copyright Assignment

I, Gayle Pennel, hereby irrevocably grant and assign to the National Fire Protection Association (NFPA) all and full rights in copyright in this Public Input (including both the Proposed Change and the Statement of Problem and Substantiation). I understand and intend that I acquire no rights, including rights as a joint author, in any publication of the NFPA in which this Public Input in this or another similar or derivative form is used. I herebywarrant that I am the author of this Public Input and that I have full power and authority to enter into this copyright assignment.

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Public Input No. 98-NFPA 20-2013 [ Section No. 4.18.7.1 ]

4.18.7.1Where a pressure relief valve has been piped back to suction, a circulation relief valve sized in accordance with 4.11.1.6 , Section 4.18.7 and A.14.18.7, and discharged to atmosphere shall be provided downstream of the pressure relief valve. The circulating relief valve shall actuate below the opening set point of the pressure relief valve to insure cooling of the pump during churn operation.

Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Input

The proposed text update is needed to help clarify the operation of the circulating relief valve.

Submitter Information Verification

Submitter Full Name: BILL HARVEYOrganization: HARVEY & ASSOCIATES, INC.Affilliation: AFSAStreet Address:City: State: Zip:Submittal Date: Tue Jun 25 15:40:23 EDT 2013

Copyright Assignment

I, BILL HARVEY, hereby irrevocably grant and assign to the National Fire Protection Association (NFPA) all and full rights in copyright in this Public Input (including both the Proposed Change and the Statement ofProblem and Substantiation). I understand and intend that I acquire no rights, including rights as a joint author, in any publication of the NFPA in which this Public Input in this or another similar or derivative form is used. I hereby warrant that I am the author of this Public Input and that I have full power and authority to enter into this copyright assignment.

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Public Input No. 164-NFPA 20-2013 [ Section No. 4.18.7.2 ]

4.18.7.2Where pump discharge water , or pressure relief valve water is piped back to pump suction and the pump is driven by a diesel engine with heatexchanger cooling, a high cooling water temperature signal at 104ºF (40ºC) from the engine inlet of the heat exchanger water supply shall be sent to the fire pump controller, and the controller shall stop the engine provided that there are no active emergency requirements for the pump to run.4.18.7.2.1

The requirements of 4.18.7.2 shall not apply when pump discharge and the pressure relief valve, if used, water is being piped back to a water storage reservoir.

Additional Proposed Changes

File Name Description Approved4.18.7.2.pdf Cover Sheet

Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Input

A pressure relief valve is often adjusted improperly and is the problem allowing premature flow. Sometimes this flow is extremely high volume resulting in high water temperatures.

Submitter Information Verification

Submitter Full Name: JOHN WHITNEYOrganization: CLARK FIRE PROT PRODUCTS INCStreet Address: City: State:Zip: Submittal Date: Thu Jul 11 09:06:37 EDT 2013

Copyright Assignment

I, JOHN WHITNEY, hereby irrevocably grant and assign to the National Fire Protection Association (NFPA) all and full rights in copyright in this Public Input (including both the Proposed Change and the Statement of Problem and Substantiation). I understand and intend that I acquire no rights, including rights as a joint author, in any publication of the NFPA in which this Public Input in this or another similar or derivative form is used. I hereby warrant that I am the author of this Public Input and that I have full power and authority to enter into this copyright assignment.

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Public Input No. 179-NFPA 20-2013 [ Section No. 4.18.7.2 [Excluding

any Sub-Sections] ]

Where pump discharge water is piped back to pump suction and the pump is driven by a diesel engine with heat exchanger cooling, a high cooling water temperature signal at 104ºF (40ºC) from the engine inlet of the heat exchanger water supply shall be sent to the fire pump controller, and the controller shall stop the engine provided that there are no active emergency requirements for the pump to run.

Additional Proposed Changes

File Name Description Approved11.2.4.4.8_4.18.7.2.pdf Cover Sheet

Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Input

To provide the requirements of the signal from the engine to support the requirements of 12.4.1.4(11). We are removing the prescriptive requirement of 104°F (40°C) and making it a performance based requirement of the engine manufacturer.

Submitter Information Verification

Submitter Full Name: JOHN WHITNEYOrganization: CLARK FIRE PROT PRODUCTS INCStreet Address: City: State:Zip: Submittal Date: Thu Jul 11 10:25:59 EDT 2013

Copyright Assignment

I, JOHN WHITNEY, hereby irrevocably grant and assign to the National Fire Protection Association (NFPA) all and full rights in copyright in this Public Input (including both the Proposed Change and the Statement of Problem and Substantiation). I understand and intend that I acquire no rights, including rights as a joint author, in any publication of the NFPA in which this Public Input in this or another similar or derivative form is used. I hereby warrant that I am the author of this Public Input and that I have full power and authority to enter into this copyright assignment.

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Public Input No. 7-NFPA 20-2013 [ Section No. 4.18.9 ]

4.18.9 Shutoff Valve. A shutoff valve shall not be installed in the relief valve supply piping. However, a shutoff valve may be placed on the discharge side of the pressure relief valve so that it can be temporarily closed for the purpose of the pump performance test (see NFPA 25, 8.3.3.3.2 and Annex A, A.8.3.3.3) . Such a shutoff valve shall have the possibility be locked and sealed in either open or discharge piping closed position, and it shall be controlled by procedure. Furthermore, this shutoff valve can be closed to isolate the pump and its pressure relief valve from a common discharge header which permits thepressure relief device to be inspected, maintained, or repaired without shutting down the whole fire water system .

Additional Proposed Changes

File Name Description Approved20_Yacine.pdf Cover Sheet

Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Input

We are operating oil & gas onshore based production and processing facilities. We have a firewater system, including fire water main covering different installations and equipments, a firewater tank, and three firewater pumps two electric pumps and one diesel with two jockey pumps for pressure maintenance. The firewater system in its current status is virtually designed in accordance to NFPA 20.First, with regard to NFPA 20, 4.18.9 we have no means to close the pressure relief valve

in order to conduct fire pump performance test as required by NFPA 25, 8.3.3.3.2. In fact our relief valves don't have the option to be maintained closed in all flow conditions. Moreover, we cannot see the difference between a closed relief valve and a closed relief valve discharge. So we believe that installing shutoff valves in the discharge side of the relief valves will allow as accomplishing fire pump performance test in accordance to NFPA 20 and NFPA 25.Second, our relief valves discharge lines off of the three main pumps and the two jockey

pumps are connected to a common discharge header which goes back to the bottom the storage tank (the supply source) which is not in accordance to NFPA 20, 4.18.6.3. Consequently we are not able to inspect or repair the pressure relief valves without isolating and shutting downt he whole firewater system for an extended period which in turn will compromise the safety of our installations.While it is not cost effective to run discharge piping returning water back tot he storage

tank independently from each pump's pressure relief valve, installing shutoff valves in the discharge side of the pressure relief valves will permit us to inspect and maintain them without the need to isolate and shutdown the whole firewater system.We understand that the firewater system (our more important emergency response

equipment) should be design engineered in such a way to prevent human errors (such as forgetting the shutoff valve in the closed position) from compromising its integrity nevertheless it is worthy noting that we are installing shutoff valves in the discharge of relief devices within other process equipments involving higher pressures with more hazardous fluids and it is permitted according to ASME Pressure Vessel Code, Section VIII, Appendix M, M-6 Stop Valves on the Discharge Side of a Pressure Relieving Device, and API RP 520, Part II, Section 4 Isolation (Stop) Valves in Pressure Relief Piping while, of course managing valves positions by procedures. So, why are we not allowed, as per NFPA 20, to do this within FW pumps?

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Public Input No. 141-NFPA 20-2013 [ Section No. 4.19.1.2 ]

4.19.1.2Within 20 seconds after a demand to start, pumps in series shall supply and maintain a stable discharge pressure (±10 percent) throughout the entire range of operation.4.19.1.2.1

The discharge pressure shall be permitted to be adjusted and restabilized whenever the flow condition changes.

Move 4.19.1.2 to section 10.10.10.4 and 11.2.4.3.4 and renumber accordingly.

Additional Proposed Changes

File Name Description Approved20_Stelter_various.pdf Cover Sheet

Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Input

Applies to all uses of variable speed applications, not just series pumping.

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Submitter Full Name: William StelterOrganization: Master Control Systems, Inc.Street Address: City: State:Zip: Submittal Date: Tue Jul 09 13:27:51 EDT 2013

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Public Input No. 8-NFPA 20-2013 [ Section No. 4.19.2.1 ]

4.19.2.1 No more than three pumps shall be allowed to operate in series.See uploaded file.

Additional Proposed Changes

File Name Description Approved20_PI8_Rec_from_Amendment.pdf ROP & ROC Text from Amendment 20_PI8_Fig_A.4.19.2.1.docx Figure A.4.19.2.1

Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Input

Note: The following proposal 20-46 and comments 20-25 and 20-27 were returned to Committee at the 2012 Association Technical Meeting and/or subsequent Standards Council Meeting. In accordance with 4.7.1(d) and 4.7.2(c) of the Regulations Governing Committee Projects, it is now being processed as a Proposal for this revision cycle.

This proposal 20-46 and comments 20-25 and 20-27 were returned to Committee at the A2012 Association Technical Meeting and/or subsequent Standards Council Meeting. In accordance with 4.7.1(d) and 4.7.2(c) of the Regulations Governing Committee Projects, it is now being processed as a Proposal for this revision cycle.NOTE: This public input was also developed by the Technical Committee on Fire Pumps.

Submitter Information Verification

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20_L3_Figure A.4.19.2.1 Rec & Sub from Amendment

Figure A.4.19.2.1 Series Fire Pump Unit with Discharge from First Pump Feeding the Low Zone Fire Protection Systems

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Public Input No. 26-NFPA 20-2013 [ New Section after 4.19.2.4 ]

TITLE OF NEW CONTENT4.19.2.5 Fire pumps that operate in series that are not located in the same room shall comply with the following.1) No more that two pumps shall operate in series.2) Each pump shall be arranged so that it can be manually stopped or started from the other pump room.3) The suction and discharge pressures from each pump shall be displayed in the other pump room.4) All trouble signals from each pump shall be displayed in the other pump room.

Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Input

Communicating between fire pump rooms is difficult. Operating pumps simultaneously in separate rooms requires one operator to know the conditions at both pumps. Low suction pressure at the remote pump should be responded to immediately to prevent damage to the fire pump. Remote operation capability allows a fire to act when possible, or warn firefighters that are depending on the water supply of abnormal pumping conditions.

Submitter Information Verification

Submitter Full Name: Gayle PennelOrganization: Aon Fire Protection EngineerinStreet Address:City: State: Zip:Submittal Date: Thu Mar 07 12:40:37 EST 2013

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Public Input No. 31-NFPA 20-2013 [ New Section after 4.20.2.10 ]

TITLE OF NEW CONTENT4.20.2.11Where a metering device is installed in a loop arrangement, a circulation relief valve sized in accordance with 4.11.1.6 that is set to operate between 10 to 20 psi above the maximum fire pump suction pressure and discharged to atmosphere shall be provided downstream of the metering device.

Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Input

A heat buildup will occur in the water when flowing water through a closed test loop and a circulation relief valve that operates at a lower pressure that the fire pump circulation relief valve is needed to provide cooling. Placing the circulation relief valve downstream of the metering device allows the metering device to show the full flow.

Submitter Information Verification

Submitter Full Name: Gayle PennelOrganization: Aon Fire Protection EngineerinStreet Address:City: State: Zip:Submittal Date: Fri Mar 15 16:21:50 EDT 2013

Copyright Assignment

I, Gayle Pennel, hereby irrevocably grant and assign to the National Fire Protection Association (NFPA) all and full rights in copyright in this Public Input (including both the Proposed Change and the Statement of Problem and Substantiation). I understand and intend that I acquire no rights, including rights as a joint author, in any publication of the NFPA in which this Public Input in this or another similar or derivative form is used. I herebywarrant that I am the author of this Public Input and that I have full power and authority to enter into this copyright assignment.

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Public Input No. 142-NFPA 20-2013 [ New Section after 4.25.1 ]

4.25.1 Pressure maintenance pumps are not required. When used, they shall comply with 4.25.2 through 4.25.4.

Additional Proposed Changes

File Name Description Approved20_Stelter_various.pdf Cover Sheet

Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Input

The addition of new 4.25.1 clarifies in the standard that the pressure maintenance pump in not required as indicated in A.4.25. It presently states: A.4.25 Pressure maintenance (jockey or make-up) pumps should be used where it is desirable to maintain a uniform or relatiively high pressure on the fire protection system.

Submitter Information Verification

Submitter Full Name: William StelterOrganization: Master Control Systems, Inc.Street Address: City: State:Zip: Submittal Date: Tue Jul 09 13:29:37 EDT 2013

Copyright Assignment

I, William Stelter, hereby irrevocably grant and assign to the National Fire Protection Association (NFPA) all and full rights in copyright in this Public Input (including both the Proposed Change and the Statement of Problem and Substantiation). I understand and intend that I acquire no rights, including rights as a joint author, in anypublication of the NFPA in which this Public Input in this or another similar or derivative form is used. I hereby warrant that I am the author of this Public Input and that I have full power and authority to enter into this copyright assignment.

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Public Input No. 126-NFPA 20-2013 [ Section No. 4.25.5.4 ]

4.25.5.4A check valve and isolation valve shall be installed in the discharge pipe. The check valve shall be installed as close to the discharge side of the pump as possible and as far away from the isolation valve as possible to mitigate water hammer in the discharge piping.

Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Input

The mitigation of water hammer extends the life of pressures sensing devices in the jockey pump controller. Since the pressure sensing line should be connected to the piping as far away as possible from the check valve which is generating the water hammer, it is logical to install the check valve as close to the discharge side of the pump as possible.

Submitter Information Verification

Submitter Full Name: DOUG STEPHENSOrganization: ASCO POWER TECHNOLOGIESStreet Address: City:State: Zip: Submittal Date: Sun Jul 07 22:15:59 EDT 2013

Copyright Assignment

I, DOUG STEPHENS, hereby irrevocably grant and assign to the National Fire Protection Association (NFPA) all and full rights in copyright in this Public Input (including both the Proposed Change and the Statement ofProblem and Substantiation). I understand and intend that I acquire no rights, including rights as a joint author, in any publication of the NFPA in which this Public Input in this or another similar or derivative form is used. I hereby warrant that I am the author of this Public Input and that I have full power and authority to enter into this copyright assignment.

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Public Input No. 127-NFPA 20-2013 [ Section No. 4.25.5.6 ]

4.25.5.6The pressure sensing line for the pressure maintenance pump shall be in accordance with Section 4.30 and shall be connected to the piping as far away as possible from the check valve .

Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Input

Mitigation of water hammer generated by the check valve extends the life of the pressure sensing devices in the controller. The further away the pressure sensing line connection is from the check valve generating the water hammer (or spikes) the better.

Submitter Information Verification

Submitter Full Name: DOUG STEPHENSOrganization: ASCO POWER TECHNOLOGIESStreet Address: City:State: Zip: Submittal Date: Sun Jul 07 22:30:44 EDT 2013

Copyright Assignment

I, DOUG STEPHENS, hereby irrevocably grant and assign to the National Fire Protection Association (NFPA) all and full rights in copyright in this Public Input (including both the Proposed Change and the Statement ofProblem and Substantiation). I understand and intend that I acquire no rights, including rights as a joint author, in any publication of the NFPA in which this Public Input in this or another similar or derivative form is used. I hereby warrant that I am the author of this Public Input and that I have full power and authority to enter into this copyright assignment.

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Public Input No. 59-NFPA 20-2013 [ New Section after 4.27.4.5 ]

4.27.4.6 Where a backflow prevention device is retroactively installed in the suction piping, all of the following shall be performed:

(1) Hydraulic calculations shall be performed to insure conformance with section4.27.4.2.(2) The location of the backflow device shall comply with 4.27.3.(3) Hydraulic calculations shall be performed to insure that the discharge pressure from the fire pump is sufficient to meet the demand(s) of the fire protection system(s) supplied by the pump.4.27.4.7 Where a backflow prevention device is retroactively installed in the discharge piping, hydraulic calculations shall be performed to insure that the discharge pressure from the pump is sufficient to meet the demand(s) of the fire protection system(s)supplied by the pump.

Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Input

Retrofit of backflow preventers is common on fire pump systems. When the backflow device is installed on the suction side, we need to make sure that the backflow device does not impair the fire pump and that the backflow device will not impair the fire protection system. When the backflow device is installed on the discharge side, we need to make sure that it does not impair the fire protection system.

These same requriements are in other NFPA standards, but the scope of NFPA 20 keeps the suction and discharge piping out of the scope of other standards, so techncially, they don't apply. Therefore, these requirements need to be included in NFPA 20 so that they apply whenever a backflow device is retrofitted on suction or discharge piping.

Submitter Information Verification

Submitter Full Name: Kenneth IsmanOrganization: National Fire Sprinkler AssociationAffilliation: NFSA E&S CommitteeStreet Address:City: State: Zip:Submittal Date: Wed Jun 05 11:58:17 EDT 2013

Copyright Assignment

I, Kenneth Isman, hereby irrevocably grant and assign to the National Fire Protection Association (NFPA) all and full rights in copyright in this Public Input (including both the Proposed Change and the Statement ofProblem and Substantiation). I understand and intend that I acquire no rights, including rights as a joint author, in any publication of the NFPA in which this Public Input in this or another similar or derivative form is used. I hereby warrant that I am the author of this Public Input and that I have full power and authority to enter into this copyright assignment.

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Public Input No. 94-NFPA 20-2013 [ Section No. 4.31 ]

4.31 Break Tanks.Where a break tank is used to provide the pump suction water supply, the installation shall comply with Section 4.31. 4.31.1 Application.

Break tanks shall be used for one or more of the following reasons:

(1) As a backflow prevention device between the water supply and the fire pump suction pipe

(2) To eliminate fluctuations in the water supply pressure and provide a steady suction pressure to the fire pump

(3) To provide a quantity of stored water on site where the normal water supply will not provide the required quantity of water required by the fire protection system

4.31.2 Break Tank Size.The tank shall be sized for a minimum duration of 15 minutes with the fire pump operating at 150 percent of rated capacity.4.31.3 Refill Mechanism.The refill mechanism shall be listed and arranged for automatic operation.

4.31.3.1If the break tank capacity is less than the maximum system demand for 30 minutes, the refill mechanism shall meet the requirements in 4.31.3.1.1through 4.31.3.1.5 .

4.31.3.1.1Dual automatic refill lines, each capable of refilling the tank at a minimum rate of 150 percent of the fire pump(s) capacity, shall be installed.

4.31.3.1.2If available supplies do not permit refilling the tank at a minimum rate of 150 percent of the rated pump capacity, each refill line shall be capable of refilling the tank at a rate that meets or exceeds 110 percent of the maximum fire protection system design flow.

4.31.3.1.3A manual tank fill bypass designed for and capable of refilling the tank at a minimum rate of 150 percent of the fire pump(s) capacity shall be provided.

4.31.3.1.4If available supplies do not permit refilling the tank at a minimum rate of 150 percent of the rated pump capacity, the manual fill bypass shall be capable of refilling the tank at a rate that meets or exceeds 110 percent of the maximum fire protection system design flow.

4.31.3.1.5A local visible and audible low liquid level signal shall be provided in the vicinity of the tank fill mechanism.

4.31.3.2If the break tank is sized to provide a minimum duration of 30 minutes of the maximum system demand, the refill mechanism shall meet the requirements in 4.31.3.2.1 and 4.31.3.2.2 .

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4.31.3.2.1The refill mechanism shall be designed for and capable of refilling the tank at 110 percent of the rate required to provide the total fire protection system demand [110% × (total demand - tank capacity) / duration].

4.31.3.2.2A manual tank fill bypass shall be designed for and capable of refilling the tank at 110 percent of the rate required to provide the total fire protection system demand [110% × (total demand - tank capacity) / duration].

4.31.3.3 The pipe between the municipal connection and the automatic fill valve shall be installed in accordance with

NFPA24, Standard for the Installation of Private Fire Service Mains and TheirAppurtenances . 4.31.3.4

The automatic filling mechanism shall be maintained at a minimum temperature of 40°F (4.4°C).

4.31.3.5The automatic filling mechanism shall activate a maximum of 6 in. (152 mm) below the overflow level.

4.31.4 Installation Standard.The break tank shall be installed in accordance with NFPA

22, Standard for Water Tanks for Private Fire Protection .

Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Input

The requirements for Break Tanks has been picked up in the 2013 edition of NFPA 22 and should be removed from NFPA 20.

Submitter Information Verification

Submitter Full Name: Gayle PennelOrganization: Aon Fire Protection EngineerinStreet Address:City: State: Zip:Submittal Date: Tue Jun 18 18:08:30 EDT 2013

Copyright Assignment

I, Gayle Pennel, hereby irrevocably grant and assign to the National Fire Protection Association (NFPA) all and full rights in copyright in this Public Input (including both the Proposed Change and the Statement of Problem and Substantiation). I understand and intend that I acquire no rights, including rights as a joint author, in any publication of the NFPA in which this Public Input in this or another similar or derivative form is used. I herebywarrant that I am the author of this Public Input and that I have full power and authority to enter into this copyright assignment.

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Public Input No. 65-NFPA 20-2013 [ Section No. 5.5 ]

5.5 Auxiliary Power.Where electric motors are used and the height of the structure is beyond the pumping capability of the fire department apparatus , a reliable emergency source of power in accordance with Section 9.6 shall be provided for the firepump installation and pressure maintenance pump installation .

Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Input

NFPA 101 and NFPA 5000 require that fire pumps and pressure maintenance pumps in new high-rise buildings be connected to a standby power system. As such, the PI coordinates NFPA 20 with NFPA 101 and NFPA 5000.

Submitter Information Verification

Submitter Full Name: William KoffelOrganization: Koffel Associates, Inc.Street Address: City:State: Zip: Submittal Date: Thu Jun 06 06:49:56 EDT 2013

Copyright Assignment

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Public Input No. 84-NFPA 20-2013 [ New Section after 6.2.1 ]

TITLE OF NEW CONTENT6.2.1.1 Each impeller in a multiple stage multiple port pump shall l furnish not less than 150 percent of rated capacity at not less than 65 percent of total rated head. (See Figure A.6.2.)

Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Input

Part of multiple stage multiple port fire pump requirements

Related Public Inputs for This Document

Related Input RelationshipPublic Input No. 83-NFPA 20-2013 [New Section after 6.2.2]

Submitter Information Verification

Submitter Full Name: Gayle PennelOrganization: Aon Fire Protection EngineerinStreet Address:City: State: Zip:Submittal Date: Mon Jun 17 15:41:11 EDT 2013

Copyright Assignment

I, Gayle Pennel, hereby irrevocably grant and assign to the National Fire Protection Association (NFPA) all and full rights in copyright in this Public Input (including both the Proposed Change and the Statement of Problem and Substantiation). I understand and intend that I acquire no rights, including rights as a joint author, in any publication of the NFPA in which this Public Input in this or another similar or derivative form is used. I herebywarrant that I am the author of this Public Input and that I have full power and authority to enter into this copyright assignment.

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Public Input No. 83-NFPA 20-2013 [ New Section after 6.2.2 ]

6.2.2.1 For each impeller in a multiple stage multiple port pump, the shutoff head shall not exceed 140 percent of rated head for any type pump. (See Figure A.6.2.)

Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Input

Part of multiple stage multiple port fire pump requirements

Related Public Inputs for This Document

Related Input RelationshipPublic Input No. 82-NFPA 20-2013 [New Section after 4.15.2]

Part of multiple stage multiple port fire pump requirements

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Submitter Full Name: Gayle PennelOrganization: Aon Fire Protection EngineerinStreet Address: City:State: Zip: Submittal Date: Mon Jun 17 15:38:27 EDT 2013

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Public Input No. 165-NFPA 20-2013 [ Sections 6.5.1.1, 6.5.1.2 ]

Sections 6.5.1.1, 6.5.1.26.5.1.1

Separately coupled–type pumps with electric motor or diesel engine drivers shall be connected by a flexible coupling or flexible connectingshaft.

6.5.1.2All coupling types shall be listed for the service referenced in 6.5.1.1 . specifically for electric motor or diesel drive or both for fire pumps.

Additional Proposed Changes

File Name Description Approved6.5.1.1_and_others.pdf Cover Sheet

Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Input

There are no new requirements proposed in any of the proposed changes, only relocation of requirements to provide improved clarity and user friendliness.New par. Numbers as shown above.6.5.1.1 Relocation requirements from 11.2.3.1.1 to provide a single place in the standard defining the coupling requirement for separately coupled pumps.6.5.1.2 Modified to provide more clarity of listing requirements of flexible couplings and flexible connecting shafts for electric motor or diesel pump drivers.7.5.1.8.1 Relocation of requirements from Chapter 11 to Chapter 7 where other vertical turbine pump drive where other vertical turbine pump drive requirements are located.7.5.1.8.2 Renumber. Plus change text for clarity.7.5.1.8.3 Renumber.11.2.3.1 This section now applies to the engine power take-off connection for all types of pumps.11.2.3.1.1 Provide clarity that this requiremetn does not apply to vertical shaft engines that area are allowed for VT pumps, and add torsional damping coupling which is a requirement of 7.5.1.6.4.

Submitter Information Verification

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I, JOHN WHITNEY, hereby irrevocably grant and assign to the National Fire Protection Association (NFPA) all and full rights in copyright in this Public Input (including both the Proposed Change and the Statement of Problem and Substantiation). I understand and intend that I acquire no rights, including rights as a joint author, in any publication of the NFPA in which this Public Input in this or another similar or derivative form is used. I hereby warrant that I am the author of this Public Input and that I have full power and authority to enter into this copyright assignment.

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Public Input No. 168-NFPA 20-2013 [ New Section after 6.5.1.2 ]

6.5.1.3 Shafts shall not be listed if motor meets criteria of 9.5.1.2.

Additional Proposed Changes

File Name Description Approved6.5.1.3.pdf Cover Sheet

Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Input

Section 9.5.1.2 allows the use of non-listed motor. Section 6.5 states that the coupling between the non-listed motor and the listed pump must be listed. No coupling exists for this connection. Suggestion is to add text to allow pump and coupling to be not listed if the motor meets the exemption listed in 9.5.1.2.

Submitter Information Verification

Submitter Full Name: JOHN WHITNEYOrganization: CLARK FIRE PROT PRODUCTS INCStreet Address: City: State:Zip: Submittal Date: Thu Jul 11 09:38:02 EDT 2013

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I, JOHN WHITNEY, hereby irrevocably grant and assign to the National Fire Protection Association (NFPA) all and full rights in copyright in this Public Input (including both the Proposed Change and the Statement of Problem and Substantiation). I understand and intend that I acquire no rights, including rights as a joint author, in any publication of the NFPA in which this Public Input in this or another similar or derivative form is used. I hereby warrant that I am the author of this Public Input and that I have full power and authority to enter into this copyright assignment.

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Public Input No. 189-NFPA 20-2013 [ New Section after 6.5.1.2 ]

6.5.1.3 Shafts shall not be listed if motor meets criteria of 9.5.1.2.

Additional Proposed Changes

File Name Description Approved20_Apida.pdf Cover Sheet

Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Input

Section 9.5.1.2 allows the use of a non-listed motor. Section 5.5 states that the coupling between the non-listed motor and the listed pump must be listed. No coupling exists for this connection. Suggestion is to add text to allow pump and coupling to be not listed if the motor meets the exemption listed in 9.5.1.2.

Submitter Information Verification

Submitter Full Name: James ApidaOrganization: B&VStreet Address: City:State: Zip: Submittal Date: Fri Jul 12 07:57:03 EDT 2013

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I, James Apida, hereby irrevocably grant and assign to the National Fire Protection Association (NFPA) all and full rights in copyright in this Public Input (including both the Proposed Change and the Statement of Problem and Substantiation). I understand and intend that I acquire no rights, including rights as a joint author, in any publication of the NFPA in which this Public Input in this or another similar or derivative form is used. I herebywarrant that I am the author of this Public Input and that I have full power and authority to enter into this copyright assignment.

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Public Input No. 61-NFPA 20-2013 [ Section No. 7.1.1 ]

7.1.1 * Suitability Application .Where the water supply is located below the discharge flange centerline and the water supply pressure is insufficient for getting the water to the fire pump, a vertical shaft turbine–type pump shall be used.

Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Input

Consistency with Section 6.1.2. If the Committee prefers "suitability" then revise Section 6.1.2. It should be noted that Chapter 8 uses both suitability and application and the statement in Chapter 7 seems to be more closely related to the application statement in Chapter 8.

Submitter Information Verification

Submitter Full Name: William KoffelOrganization: Koffel Associates, Inc.Street Address: City:State: Zip: Submittal Date: Thu Jun 06 06:09:37 EDT 2013

Copyright Assignment

I, William Koffel, hereby irrevocably grant and assign to the National Fire Protection Association (NFPA) all and full rights in copyright in this Public Input (including both the Proposed Change and the Statement of Problem and Substantiation). I understand and intend that I acquire no rights, including rights as a joint author, in any publication of the NFPA in which this Public Input in this or another similar or derivative form is used. I herebywarrant that I am the author of this Public Input and that I have full power and authority to enter into this copyright assignment.

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Public Input No. 62-NFPA 20-2013 [ Section No. 7.1.2 ]

7.1.2 Characteristics Factory and Field Performance .7.1.2.1

Pumps shall furnish not less than 150 percent of rated capacity at a total head of not less than 65 percent of the total rated head. (SeeFigure A.6.2 .)

7.1.2.2The total shutoff head shall not exceed 140 percent of the

total rated head on vertical turbine pumps. (See FigureA.6.2 .)

Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Input

Consistency with 6.2. If the Committee prefers "Characteristics", then revise 6.2.

Submitter Information Verification

Submitter Full Name: William KoffelOrganization: Koffel Associates, Inc.Street Address: City:State: Zip: Submittal Date: Thu Jun 06 06:13:03 EDT 2013

Copyright Assignment

I, William Koffel, hereby irrevocably grant and assign to the National Fire Protection Association (NFPA) all and full rights in copyright in this Public Input (including both the Proposed Change and the Statement of Problem and Substantiation). I understand and intend that I acquire no rights, including rights as a joint author, in any publication of the NFPA in which this Public Input in this or another similar or derivative form is used. I herebywarrant that I am the author of this Public Input and that I have full power and authority to enter into this copyright assignment.

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Public Input No. 166-NFPA 20-2013 [ Sections 7.5.1.8.1, 7.5.1.8.2 ]

Sections 7.5.1.8.1, 7.5.1.8.27.5.1.8.1

Unless the requirements of 7.5.1.4 are met, engines shall be connected to the right-angle gear drive with a listed flexible connecting shaft that will prevent undue strain on either the engine or gear drive. (mostly from 11.2.3.2.1)

7.5.1.8.2 The flexible connecting shaft shall be listed for this

diesel fire pump service.

7.5.1.8. 2 3The operating angle for the flexible connecting shaft shall not exceed

the limits specified by the manufacturer for the speed and horsepower transmitted under any static or operating conditions.

Additional Proposed Changes

File Name Description Approved6.5.1.1_and_others.pdf Cover Sheet

Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Input

There are no new requirements proposed in any of the proposed changes, only relocation of requirements to provide improved clarity and user friendliness.New par. Numbers as shown above.6.5.1.1 Relocation requirements from 11.2.3.1.1 to provide a single place in the standard defining the coupling requirement for separately coupled pumps.6.5.1.2 Modified to provide more clarity of listing requirements of flexible couplings and flexible connecting shafts for electric motor or diesel pump drivers.7.5.1.8.1 Relocation of requirements from Chapter 11 to Chapter 7 where other vertical turbine pump drive where other vertical turbine pump drive requirements are located.7.5.1.8.2 Renumber. Plus change text for clarity.7.5.1.8.3 Renumber.11.2.3.1 This section now applies to the engine power take-off connection for all types of pumps.11.2.3.1.1 Provide clarity that this requiremetn does not apply to vertical shaft engines that area are allowed for VT pumps, and add torsional damping coupling which is a requirement of 7.5.1.6.4.

Submitter Information Verification

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Submitter Full Name: JOHN WHITNEYOrganization: CLARK FIRE PROT PRODUCTS INCStreet Address: City: State:Zip: Submittal Date: Thu Jul 11 09:27:26 EDT 2013

Copyright Assignment

I, JOHN WHITNEY, hereby irrevocably grant and assign to the National Fire Protection Association (NFPA) all and full rights in copyright in this Public Input (including both the Proposed Change and the Statement of Problem and Substantiation). I understand and intend that I acquire no rights, including rights as a joint author, in any publication of the NFPA in which this Public Input in this or another similar or derivative form is used. I hereby warrant that I am the author of this Public Input and that I have full power and authority to enter into this copyright assignment.

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Public Input No. 104-NFPA 20-2013 [ New Section after 8.5.3 ]

8.5.3.1For foam concentrate pumps, safety relief valves shall be piped to return the valve discharge to the concentrate supply tank or to the pump suction.

Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Input

This new section harmonizes the requirements for pressure relief valves for positive displacement foam concentrate pumps and positive displacement watermist pumps. Section 8.5.4 makes allowance for the relief valve discharge to be piped to the pump suction as long as a means of thermal relief is provided. NFPA 11 makes no such restriction on positive displacement foam concentrate pumps and illustrates piping the relief valve to the pump suction in Figures A.3.3.23.1 and A.3.3.23.1.1(a).

Related Public Inputs for This Document

Related Input RelationshipPublic Input No. 103-NFPA 20-2013 [Section No. 8.5.3]

Addressing the same inconsistency

Submitter Information Verification

Submitter Full Name: Craig CookOrganization: Tyco Fire Protection ProductsStreet Address: City:State: Zip: Submittal Date: Mon Jul 01 12:13:23 EDT 2013

Copyright Assignment

I, Craig Cook, hereby irrevocably grant and assign to the National Fire Protection Association (NFPA) all and full rights in copyright in this Public Input (including both the Proposed Change and the Statement of Problem and Substantiation). I understand and intend that I acquire no rights, including rights as a joint author, in any publication of the NFPA in which this Public Input in this or another similar or derivative form is used. I herebywarrant that I am the author of this Public Input and that I have full power and authority to enter into this copyright assignment.

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Public Input No. 105-NFPA 20-2013 [ New Section after 8.5.3 ]

8.5.3.2A means of preventing overheating shall be provided when the relief valve is plumbed to discharge to the pump suction.

Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Input

Section 8.5.3.2 harmonizes the requirements for relief valves used with positive displacement foam concentrate pumps with those for relief valves used with positive displacement watermist pumps.

Related Public Inputs for This Document

Related Input RelationshipPublic Input No. 103-NFPA 20-2013 [Section No. 8.5.3]

Addresses the same inconsistency

Public Input No. 104-NFPA 20-2013 [New Section after 8.5.3]

Addresses the sameinconsistency

Submitter Information Verification

Submitter Full Name: Craig CookOrganization: Tyco Fire Protection ProductsStreet Address: City:State: Zip: Submittal Date: Mon Jul 01 12:17:58 EDT 2013

Copyright Assignment

I, Craig Cook, hereby irrevocably grant and assign to the National Fire Protection Association (NFPA) all and full rights in copyright in this Public Input (including both the Proposed Change and the Statement of Problem and Substantiation). I understand and intend that I acquire no rights, including rights as a joint author, in any publication of the NFPA in which this Public Input in this or another similar or derivative form is used. I herebywarrant that I am the author of this Public Input and that I have full power and authority to enter into this copyright assignment.

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Public Input No. 103-NFPA 20-2013 [ Section No. 8.5.3 ]

8.5.3 * Relief Valves for Foam Concentrate Pumps.For foam concentrate pumps, safety relief valves shall be piped to return the valve discharge to the concentrate supply tank.

Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Input

Section 8.5.3 is inconsistent in its requirements with Section 8.5.4 for the same type of pump and is also inconsistent with what is required by and illustrated in NFPA 11. Sections 8.5.3 and 8.5.4 both detail safety relief valve requirements for positive displacement pumps but 8.5.4 makes allowance for piping of the relief valve discharge to the suction side of the pump. NFPA 11 states in section 9.1.2 that positive displacement pumps shall be provided with a means of pressure relief from the discharge to the supply side of the circuit. No location on the supply side of the circuit is specifically prohibited for the relief valve discharge to be piped to. Figures A.3.3.23.1 and A.3.3.23.1.1(a) on page 11-43 of the 2010 Edition of NFPA 11 both illustrate a positive displacement foam pump with the safety relief valve discharge piped to the pump suction, in direct conflict with Section 8.5.3 of NFPA 20. Positive displacement pumps for use with foam and watermist have no substantial differences and, frequently, the same makes and models of pumps are used for both applications. There is no sound technical reason for safety relief valves for positive displacement pumps used with foam concentrate to have different piping requirements than those used for watermist applications.

Submitter Information Verification

Submitter Full Name: Craig CookOrganization: Tyco Fire Protection ProductsStreet Address:City: State: Zip:Submittal Date: Mon Jul 01 12:11:46 EDT 2013

Copyright Assignment

I, Craig Cook, hereby irrevocably grant and assign to the National Fire Protection Association (NFPA) all and full rights in copyright in this Public Input (including both the Proposed Change and the Statement of Problem and Substantiation). I understand and intend that I acquire no rights, including rights as a joint author, in any publication of the NFPA in which this Public Input in this or another similar or derivative form is used. I herebywarrant that I am the author of this Public Input and that I have full power and authority to enter into this copyright assignment.

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Public Input No. 131-NFPA 20-2013 [ Section No. 9.2.3 ]

9.2.3For fire pump installations using the arrangement of 9.2.2 (1), 9.2.2 (2),9.2.2 (3), or 9.2.2 (5) for the normal source of power, no more than one disconnecting means and associated overcurrent protection device shall be installed in the power supply to the fire pump controller.The overcurrent protection required by 10.8.2.2(2) and isolating switch

required by 10.8.2.2(4) for an individually listed power transfer switch when provided in the same enclosure as the power transfer switch, shall not be considered the one disconnecting means and associated overcurrent protection device for the purpose of complying with 9.2.3.

9.2.3. 1Where the disconnecting means permitted by 9.2.3 is installed, the

disconnecting means shall meet all of the following:

(1) They shall be identified as being suitable for use as serviceequipment.

(2) They shall be lockable in the closed position.(3)

(4)

(5) They shall be marked “Fire Pump Disconnecting Means” in letters that are no less than 1 in. (25 mm) in height and that can be seen without opening enclosure doors or covers.

9.2.3.2Where the disconnecting means permitted by 9.2.3 is installed, a

placard shall be placed adjacent to the fire pump controller stating the location of this disconnecting means and the location of any keyneeded to unlock the disconnect.

9.2.3.3Where the disconnecting means permitted by 9.2.3 is installed, the

disconnect shall be supervised in the closed position by one of the following methods:

(1) Central station, proprietary, or remote station signal device

(2) Local signaling service that will cause the sounding of an audible signal at a constantly attended location

(3) Locking the disconnecting means in the closed position

(4) Sealing of disconnecting means and approved weekly recorded inspections where the disconnecting means are located within fenced enclosures or in buildings under the control of the owner

9.2.3.4

* They shall be located remote from other building disconnecting means.

* They shall be located remote from other fire pump source disconnecting means.

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Where the overcurrent protection permitted by 9.2.3 is installed, the overcurrent protection device shall be rated to carry indefinitely the sum of the locked rotor current of the largest pump motor and the full-load current of all of the other pump motors and accessory equipment.

9.2.3.4.1Alternately, compliance with 9.2.3.4 shall be based on an

assembly listed for fire pump service complying with the following:

(1) The overcurrent protection device shall not open within 2 minutes at 600 percent full load current.

(2) The overcurrent protection device shall not open with a restart transient of 24 times the full load current.

(3) The overcurrent protection device shall not open within 10 minutes at 300 percent full load current.

(4) Trip point for circuit breakers not field adjustable.

Additional Proposed Changes

File Name Description Approvednfpapublicinputform_Kovacik2.docx Cover Sheet

Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Input

The term “Listed fire pump power transfer switch assembly” was added to Appendix A of the 2013 Edition of NFPA 20, but not referred to in the body of the standard. Reference Figure A.10.8, Arrangement II. The intent was to recognize the use of a fire pump power transfer switch assembly which could include an isolating switch and overcurrent protection for the transfer switch in the same enclosure as the transfer switch. As a fire pump transfer switch is required to be located in the pump room, the overcurrent protection and isolating switch, when provided as part of the transfer switch assembly, would not be remote from the fire pump controller. When the subject of a transfer switch assembly was discussed during the last code cycle, it was anticipated that the overcurrent protection and isolating switch, when provided as part of the transfer switch assembly would not be the one disconnecting means and associated overcurrent protection device permitted by 9.2.3. In order to allow an additional disconnecting means and associated overcurrent protection device to be remote from the pump room in such installations, the added text is necessary.

Submitter Information Verification

Submitter Full Name: John KovacikOrganization: UL LLCStreet Address: City:State: Zip: Submittal Date: Mon Jul 08 10:39:22 EDT 2013

Copyright Assignment

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I, John Kovacik, hereby irrevocably grant and assign to the National Fire Protection Association (NFPA) all and full rights in copyright in this Public Input (including both the Proposed Change and the Statement of Problem and Substantiation). I understand and intend that I acquire no rights, including rights as a joint author, in any publication of the NFPA in which this Public Input in this or another similar or derivative form is used. I herebywarrant that I am the author of this Public Input and that I have full power and authority to enter into this copyright assignment.

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Public Input No. 160-NFPA 20-2013 [ Section No. 9.2.3.1 ]

9.2.3.1Where the disconnecting means permitted by 9.2.3 is installed, the

disconnecting means shall meet all of the following:

(1) They shall be identified as being suitable for use as serviceequipment.

(2) They shall be lockable in both the closed position and openpositions .

(3)

(4)

(5) They shall be marked “Fire Pump Disconnecting Means” in letters that are no less than 1 in. (25 mm) in height and that can be seen without opening enclosure doors or covers.

Additional Proposed Changes

File Name Description Approved9.2.3.1_2_.pdf Cover Sheet

Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Input

The ability to lock a disconnecting switch in the closed position (now a requirement) is to prevent inadvertent disconnection and the ability to lock the isolating switch in the open position is to provide safety when servicing the controller and motor circuits. It is a requirement in 76.4, UL 508 (a Normative reference from UL 218) and will permit lock-out/tag-out as required in NFPA 70E.

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* They shall be located remote from other building disconnectingmeans.

* They shall be located remote from other fire pump source disconnecting means.

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Public Input No. 128-NFPA 20-2013 [ New Section after 9.2.3.4.1 ]

9.2.3.4.2 Overcurrent Device Selection. An instantaneous trip circuit breakershall be permitted in lieu of the overcurrent devices specified in 10.8.2.2(2)provided it is part of a transfer switch assembly listed for fire pump service.

Additional Proposed Changes

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Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Input

This change reflects NEC CMP-13 Comment actions 13-37, Log #434 pertaining to (695.3(F)).

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Origin (from sources other than the submitter)

Source of some text is from the NEC 2013 Annual Revision Cycle ROC Comment 13-37.

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Public Input No. 162-NFPA 20-2013 [ New Section after 9.2.3.4.1 ]

9.2.3.4.2 Overcurrent Device Selection. An instantaneous trip circuit breakershall be permitted in lieu of the overcurrent devices specified in 10.8.2.2(2)provided it is part of a transfer switch assembly listed for fire pump service.

Additional Proposed Changes

File Name Description Approved9.2.3.4.2-10.8.2.2_2_.pdf Cover Sheet

Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Input

These changes are to reflect NEC CMP-13 comment actions 13-37, Log #434 pertaining to (695.3(F)).

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Public Input No. 66-NFPA 20-2013 [ Section No. 9.3.1 ]

9.3.1Except for an arrangement described in 9.3.3 , at least one alternate source of power shall be provided where for high-rise buildings or where the height of the structure is beyond the pumping capacity of the fire department apparatus.

Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Input

Coordination with NFPA 101 and NFPA 5000 and the Public Input submitted on Section 5.5.

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Public Input No. 157-NFPA 20-2013 [ Section No. 9.5.1.1 ]

9.5.1.1All motors shall comply with NEMA MG-1, Motors and Generators , shall be marked as complying with NEMA Design B standards for three phase motors , NEMA Desig N or L standardsfor single phase motors, and shall be specifically listed for fire pump service. (See Table Tables 9.5.1.1 (a) and 9 . 5.1.1(b ) .)

Revise Table 9.5.1.1 and split into two tables as shown in the uploaded file.

Table 9.5.1.1 Horsepower and Locked Rotor Current Motor Designation for NEMA Design B Motors

Rated

Horsepower

Locked Rotor Current Three

460 V (A)

5 46

7 1 ⁄ 2 64

10 8115 11620 14525 18330 21740 29050 36260 43575 543100 725125 908150 1085200 1450250 1825300 2200350 2550400 2900450 3250500 3625

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Additional Proposed Changes

File Name Description Approved9.5.1.1.docx Cover Sheet Tables_9.5.1.1_a_and_b_.doc Tables 9.5.1.1(a) & (b) PI 157

Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Input

This proposal is summarized as follows;1. Table 9.5.1.1 is being revised to correct values to represent current motor design and construction.2. Table 9.5.1.1 is being revised to add motors with three phase horsepower ratings not currently in the table.3. Table 9.5.1.1 is being revised and split into two tables, Tables 9.5.1.1 (a) and (b). Table 9.5.1.1 (a) will be the existing Table 9.5.1.1 (revised per items 1 and 2 above) and cover three phase motors. Table 9.5.1.1 (b) will be a new table covering single phase motors which are not currently covered by NFPA 20.4. Clause 9.5.1.1 is being revised to specify and differentiate the NEMA motor designs for three and single phase motors. 5. The source documents for values inserted in the tables are UL 1004-5 for three phase motors and NEMA MG-1 for single phase motors.

The following is background information relating to these changes.

1. There are no NEMA Design B standards for single-phase motors. UL 1004-5 does not cover single phase motors.2. MG1 has tables which lists the maximum limit on locked rotor currents for single phase motors. There are tables for small and medium motors. For the Design N (small) and Design L (medium) types the limit on LRA at 230 volts is NOT one-half of that at 115 volts.3. The values of locked rotor amps given in the tables in MG1 standards are upper limits.4. Design B performance standards for 3 phase medium motors in NEMA MG1 begin at a minimum rating of 1/2 hp. However, that is 1/2 hp at 900 RPM synchronous speed (8 poles) and slower speeds at 60 Hz. There are no NEMA Design B 1/2 hp motors in 2, 4, or 6 poles. Similarly, the Design B standard applies to 3/4 hp and higher at 1200 RPM (6 pole) and slower speeds (higher number of poles) 1 Hp and higher at 1800 RPM (4 poles) and slower speeds 1-1/2 Hp and higher at 3600 RPM (2 pole) and slower speeds. If a fire pump application requires the use of a 2, 4, or 6 pole polyphase motor rated 1/2 hp, it cannot be a NEMA Design B motor since such a motor does not exist.5. NFPA 20, Table 9.5.1.1 “Horsepower and Locked Rotor Current Motor Designation for NEMA Design B Motors” has errors for certain locked rotor amps and locked rotor code letters. UL 1004-5 has Tables with the correct values and should be used as a guide for revising Table 9.5.1.1.6. NFPA 20, Table 9.5.1.1 should be revised to add hp ratings below 5 hp. The lower limit should be 1 hp which is the smallest 3 phase NEMA Design B motor. 7. A separate table should be added to NFPA 20 for single phase motors. The range of horsepower ratings for the table could be 1/6 to 10 hp as there are published values of full-load currents for motors in this range. NEMA Design N single phase small motors exist only for 1/6 through 1 hp in 2 poles, 1/8 through 3/4 hp in 4 poles, and 1/8 through 1/2 hp in 6 poles. The upper rating in the range corresponds to the upper limit on hp for small motors. NEMA Design L single phase medium motors exist only for 1-1/2 through 10 hp in 2 poles, 1 through 10 hp in 4 poles, and 3/4 through 3 hp in 6 poles. It should be noted that for the Design N (small) and L (medium) types the limit on LRA at 230 volts is NOT one-half of the LRA at 115 volts.

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Submitter Full Name: John KovacikOrganization: UL LLCStreet Address: City:State: Zip: Submittal Date: Wed Jul 10 11:05:42 EDT 2013

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I, John Kovacik, hereby irrevocably grant and assign to the National Fire Protection Association (NFPA) all and full rights in copyright in this Public Input (including both the Proposed Change and the Statement of Problem and Substantiation). I understand and intend that I acquire no rights, including rights as a joint author, in any publication of the NFPA in which this Public Input in this or another similar or derivative form is used. I herebywarrant that I am the author of this Public Input and that I have full power and authority to enter into this copyright assignment.

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Table 9.5.1.1 (a) Horsepower and Locked Rotor Current Motor Designation for Three Phase NEMA Design B Motors

Rated Horsepower

Locked Rotor Current Three-Phase 460 230 V at 60 Hertz (A)

Motor Designation (NFPA 70, Locked Rotor Indicating Code Letter) “F” to and Including

1 30 N

1-1/2 40 M

2 50 L

3 64 K

5 46 92 J

7-1/2 64 127 H

10 81 162 H

15 116 232 G

20 145 290 G

25 183 365 G

30 217 435 G

40 290 580 G

50 362 725 G

60 435 870 G

75 543 1085 G

100 725 1450 G

125 908 1815 G

150 1085 2170 G

200 1450 2900 G

250 1825 3650 G

300 2200 4400 G

350 2550 5100 G

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400 2900 5800 G

450 3250 6500 G

500 3625 7250 G

Table 9.5.1.1 (b) Horsepower and Locked Rotor Current Motor Designation for Single Phase NEMA Design N and L Motors

Rated Horsepower

Locked Rotor Current Single Phase 115 V at 60 Hertz (A)

Locked Rotor Current Single Phase 230 V at 60 Hertz (A)

Design N Design L Design N Design L

1/6 20 - 12 -

1/4 26 - 15 -

1/3 31 - 18 -

1/2 45 45 25 25

3/4 61 61 35 35

1 80 80 45 45

1-1/2 - - 50

2 - - 65

3 - - 90

5 - - 135

7-1/2 - - 200

10 - - 260

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Public Input No. 115-NFPA 20-2013 [ Section No. 9.6.5 ]

9.6.5 * Protective Devices.Protective devices installed in the on-site power source circuits at the generator shall allow instantaneous pickup of the full pump room load and shall comply with NFPA 70, National Electrical Code, Section 700.27. New Text - "Circuit Breakers with shunt-trips shall have supervision by remotemonitoring".

Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Input

This makes the installation much safer as it is very easy for a shunt-trip breaker to accidentally be placed in the "tripped" condition.

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Public Input No. 143-NFPA 20-2013 [ Section No. 9.6.5 ]

9.6.5 * Protective Devices.Protective devices installed in the on-site power source circuits at the generator shall allow instantaneous pickup of the full pump room load and shall comply with NFPA 70, National Electrical Code, Section 700.27. The fire pump circuit breaker is not required to be coordinated with the generator power source protective device provided it is a branch circuit and is coordinated with all other line side protective devices.

Additional Proposed Changes

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Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Input

Before the emergency circuit breaker in the fire pump controller was required, there wasn't a breaker to coordinate with. Now that there is, the generator set may be forced to be larger to accomodate the 300% no trip setting of the fire pump controller circuit breaker.

Submitter Information Verification

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I, William Stelter, hereby irrevocably grant and assign to the National Fire Protection Association (NFPA) all and full rights in copyright in this Public Input (including both the Proposed Change and the Statement of Problem and Substantiation). I understand and intend that I acquire no rights, including rights as a joint author, in anypublication of the NFPA in which this Public Input in this or another similar or derivative form is used. I hereby warrant that I am the author of this Public Input and that I have full power and authority to enter into this copyright assignment.

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Public Input No. 144-NFPA 20-2013 [ Section No. 9.7 ]

9.7 Junction Boxes.Where fire pump wiring to or from a fire pump controller is routed through a junction box, the following requirements shall be met:

(1) The junction box shall be securely mounted.

(2)

(3)

(4) As a minimum, a Type 2, dripproof enclosure (junction box) shall be used. The enclosure shall be listed to match the fire pump controller enclosure type rating.

(5) Terminals, junction blocks, and splices, where used, shall be listed.

(6) A fire pump controller or fire pump power transfer switch, where provided, shall not be used as a junction box to supply other equipment, including a pressure maintenance (jockey) pump(s). (See 10.3.4.5.1 and 10.3.4.6.)

(7) A fire pump controller or fire pump power transfer switch shall not be used as a junction box for wire splices.

Additional Proposed Changes

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Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Input

A junction box is the proper location to splice wires, not the fire pump controller or transfer switch controller. There isn't enough wire bending space for this and the additional cables may interfere with the maintenance and repair of the controller.

Submitter Information Verification

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Copyright Assignment

* Mounting and installation of a junction box shall not violate the enclosure type rating of the fire pump controller(s).* Mounting and installation of a junction box shall not violate the integrity of the fire pump controller(s) and shall not affect the short circuit rating of the controller(s).

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Public Input No. 130-NFPA 20-2013 [ Section No. 9.9.5 ]

9.9.5Where the raceway (conduit) between the controller and motor is not capable of conducting ground fault current sufficient to trip the circuit breaker when a ground fault occurs, a separate equipment grounding conductor shall be installed between the controller and motor.

Additional Proposed Changes

File Name Description Approvednfpapublicinputform_Kovacik1.docx Cover Sheet

Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Input

Clause 9.9.5 was added to NFPA 2013 at the Comment stage of the process. Subsequently, I submitted a proposal for the 2014 NEC to include this same requirement in Article 695 which covers electrical installation requirements for fire pumps. At the ROP meeting, Code Panel 13 decided this requirement was not enforceable since there is no way for an AHJ to determine when a raceway (conduit) between the controller and motor is not capable of conducting ground fault current sufficient to trip the circuit breaker when a ground fault occurs. The Panel modified the proposal to require an equipment grounding conductor in all installations between the controller and motor (redundant grounding). The panel substantiated that if conducting ground fault current may be a concern with any installation, mandating the use of an equipment grounding conductor will remove that concern. At the ROC meeting, the Panel reversed its position and decided there is insufficient substantiation to require redundant grounding and decided to make no changes to Article 695 for the 2014 NEC. Based on the actions of Code Panel 13, it is proposed to delete 9.9.5. Further to this subject, it is questionable whether this requirement belongs in NFPA 20 as NEC Article 695 has responsibility for electrical installation requirements for fire pumps.

Submitter Information Verification

Submitter Full Name: John KovacikOrganization: UL LLCStreet Address: City:State: Zip: Submittal Date: Mon Jul 08 10:38:17 EDT 2013

Copyright Assignment

I, John Kovacik, hereby irrevocably grant and assign to the National Fire Protection Association (NFPA) all and full rights in copyright in this Public Input (including both the Proposed Change and the Statement of Problem and Substantiation). I understand and intend that I acquire no rights, including rights as a joint author, in any publication of the NFPA in which this Public Input in this or another similar or derivative form is used. I herebywarrant that I am the author of this Public Input and that I have full power and authority to enter into this copyright assignment.

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Public Input No. 145-NFPA 20-2013 [ New Section after 10.3.4.5.2 ]

10.3.4.5.3 Unless approved by the Authority Having Jurisdiction, remote stopping or locking out of the fire pump shall not be allowed.

Additional Proposed Changes

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Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Input

This has always been the intent of the committee based on past action, but is not stated anywhere in the standard.

Submitter Information Verification

Submitter Full Name: William StelterOrganization: Master Control Systems, Inc.Street Address: City: State:Zip: Submittal Date: Tue Jul 09 13:37:44 EDT 2013

Copyright Assignment

I, William Stelter, hereby irrevocably grant and assign to the National Fire Protection Association (NFPA) all and full rights in copyright in this Public Input (including both the Proposed Change and the Statement of Problem and Substantiation). I understand and intend that I acquire no rights, including rights as a joint author, in anypublication of the NFPA in which this Public Input in this or another similar or derivative form is used. I hereby warrant that I am the author of this Public Input and that I have full power and authority to enter into this copyright assignment.

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Public Input No. 99-NFPA 20-2013 [ Section No. 10.5.2.1.1.2 ]

10.5.2.1.1.2 (new) This pressure-actuated switch or electronic pressure sensor shall be located, and sense pressure, in a vertical pressure sensing line complying with 4.30 with no less than 12” vertical sensing line free from any other devices directly below the sensor.10.5.2.1.1.2

The requirements of 10.5.2.1.1.1 shall not apply in a nonpressure-actuated controller, where the pressure-actuated switch shall not be required.

Additional Proposed Changes

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Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Input

This 12” (min.) vertical section of un-obstructed sensing pipe will contain air and act as a damper thus mitigating water hammer and also prevent possible deterioration of the diaphragm from water-born contamination thus enhancing transducer life.

Submitter Information Verification

Submitter Full Name: Richard SchneiderOrganization: [ Not Specified ]Street Address: City:State: Zip: Submittal Date: Thu Jun 27 08:14:59 EDT 2013

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I, Richard Schneider, hereby irrevocably grant and assign to the National Fire Protection Association (NFPA) all and full rights in copyright in this Public Input (including both the Proposed Change and the Statement of Problem and Substantiation). I understand and intend that I acquire no rights, including rights as a joint author, in any publication of the NFPA in which this Public Input in this or another similar or derivative form is used. Ihereby warrant that I am the author of this Public Input and that I have full power and authority to enter into this copyright assignment.

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Public Input No. 146-NFPA 20-2013 [ New Section after 10.5.2.1.2 ]

10.5.2.1.2* When an electronic pressure sensor is used to automatically control fire pump operation, the fire pump controller shall monitor the transducer during automatic testing.10.5.2.1.2.1* When the lowest pressure reading exceeds 10 psi during any automatic pump start where initiated by the solenoid valve as required by 10.5.2.7.3, the controller shall activate a visual and silenceable audible alarm.

Additional Proposed Changes

File Name Description Approved20_Stelter_various.pdf Cover Sheet

Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Input

Monitor electric pressure transducers for drifting, which over time which has been a proven problem.

Submitter Information Verification

Submitter Full Name: William StelterOrganization: Master Control Systems, Inc.Street Address: City: State:Zip: Submittal Date: Tue Jul 09 13:39:56 EDT 2013

Copyright Assignment

I, William Stelter, hereby irrevocably grant and assign to the National Fire Protection Association (NFPA) all and full rights in copyright in this Public Input (including both the Proposed Change and the Statement of Problem and Substantiation). I understand and intend that I acquire no rights, including rights as a joint author, in anypublication of the NFPA in which this Public Input in this or another similar or derivative form is used. I hereby warrant that I am the author of this Public Input and that I have full power and authority to enter into this copyright assignment.

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Public Input No. 22-NFPA 20-2013 [ New Section after 10.5.2.1.7.6 ]

TITLE OF NEW CONTENT10.5.2.1.8 When an electronic pressure sensor is used to control fire pumpoperation, the fire pump controller shall monitor for and provide a signal for the following electronic pressure sensor conditions. (1)* For all pressure transducers relating to fire pump operation: Electronic pressure reading exceeding a preset high pressure value(2)* For a transducer in the automatic start pressure sensing line: minimum electronic pressure reading that fails to fall below a preset automatic start low valueduring automatic pump startup.(3)* For all pressure transducers relating to fire pump operation: Electronic pressure reading below a preset low value at any time except during an automatic startup.(4)* Any tine the transducer output is less than 10% of rated span below its ratedzero pressure output.(5)* Any time is more than 10% of it's rated span above its rated full scale output.(6)* For a variable speed motor driven fire pump controller: any time the output from the variable speed control transducer differs from the output of the start/stoptransducer by more than 5% of rated transducer span.(7)* For controllers equipped with weekly test start, when the pressure output is more than 5% of rated range above the rated zero output.10.5.2.1.8.1 When one of the conditions monitered in 10.5.2.1.6 occurs, the controller shall either activate a visual and silenceable audible alarm and activate contacts for a remote alarm, or start the pump.

Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Input

Failure of the pressure actuating mechanism can cause failure of the entire fire protection system. The recent transducer recall revealed the potential for failure. Although the recall may have addressed the immediate problem, the potential for future failures remains and can be addressed. Mercoid switches do not have any supervisorable mechanism to verify failures prior to testing. Tranducers are continously interacting with the controller and can be supervised.

Submitter Information Verification

Submitter Full Name: Gayle PennelOrganization: Aon Fire Protection EngineerinStreet Address:City: State: Zip:Submittal Date: Thu Mar 07 11:44:19 EST 2013

Copyright Assignment

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I, Gayle Pennel, hereby irrevocably grant and assign to the National Fire Protection Association (NFPA) all and full rights in copyright in this Public Input (including both the Proposed Change and the Statement of Problem and Substantiation). I understand and intend that I acquire no rights, including rights as a joint author, in any publication of the NFPA in which this Public Input in this or another similar or derivative form is used. I herebywarrant that I am the author of this Public Input and that I have full power and authority to enter into this copyright assignment.

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Public Input No. 148-NFPA 20-2013 [ New Section after 10.5.2.6.3 ]

10.5.2.7 Automatic Testing.10.5.2.7.1 To ensure dependable operation of the motor and its controller, the controller equipmetn shall be arranged to automatically start and run the motor at the minimum noflow test frequency and duration required by NFPA 25.10.5.2.7.2 Performance of the AutomaticTesting shall be recorded as a pressure drop indication on the pressure recorder.10.5.2.7.3 A solenoid valve drain on the pressure control line shall be the initiatingmeans.10.5.2.7.4 In a non-pressure-actuated controller, the automatic testing shall be permitted to be initiated by means other than a solenoid valve.

Additional Proposed Changes

File Name Description Approved20_Stelter_various.pdf Cover Sheet

Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Input

Monitor electric pressure transducers for drifting, which over time which has been a proven problem.

Submitter Information Verification

Submitter Full Name: William StelterOrganization: Master Control Systems, Inc.Street Address: City: State:Zip: Submittal Date: Tue Jul 09 13:47:59 EDT 2013

Copyright Assignment

I, William Stelter, hereby irrevocably grant and assign to the National Fire Protection Association (NFPA) all and full rights in copyright in this Public Input (including both the Proposed Change and the Statement of Problem and Substantiation). I understand and intend that I acquire no rights, including rights as a joint author, in anypublication of the NFPA in which this Public Input in this or another similar or derivative form is used. I hereby warrant that I am the author of this Public Input and that I have full power and authority to enter into this copyright assignment.

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Public Input No. 149-NFPA 20-2013 [ New Section after 10.5.3.2.4 ]

10.5.3.3 Manual Testing of Automatic Operation.10.5.3.3.1 The controller shall be arranged to manually start the motor by opening the solenoid valve drain when so initiated by the operator.10.5.3.3.2 In a non-pressure-actuated controller, the manual test shall be permitted to be initiated by means other than a solenoid valve.

Additional Proposed Changes

File Name Description Approved20_Stelter_various.pdf Cover Sheet

Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Input

Monitor electric pressure transducers for drifting, which over time which has been a proven problem.

Submitter Information Verification

Submitter Full Name: William StelterOrganization: Master Control Systems, Inc.Street Address: City: State:Zip: Submittal Date: Tue Jul 09 14:02:20 EDT 2013

Copyright Assignment

I, William Stelter, hereby irrevocably grant and assign to the National Fire Protection Association (NFPA) all and full rights in copyright in this Public Input (including both the Proposed Change and the Statement of Problem and Substantiation). I understand and intend that I acquire no rights, including rights as a joint author, in anypublication of the NFPA in which this Public Input in this or another similar or derivative form is used. I hereby warrant that I am the author of this Public Input and that I have full power and authority to enter into this copyright assignment.

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Public Input No. 150-NFPA 20-2013 [ Section No. 10.5.4.2 ]

10.5.4.2 Automatic Shutdown After Automatic Start.Where provided, automatic shutdown after automatic start shall comply with the following:

(1) Unless the requirements of 10.5.4.2 (3) are met, automatic shutdown shall be permitted only where the controller is arranged for automatic shutdown after all starting and running causes have returned to normal.

(2) A running period timer set for at least 10 minutes running time shall be permitted to commence at initial operation.

(3) The requirements of 10.5.4.2 (1) shall not apply and automatic shutdown shall not be permitted where the pump constitutes the sole supply of a fire sprinkler or standpipe system or where the authority having jurisdiction has required manual shutdown.

Additional Proposed Changes

File Name Description Approved20_Stelter_various.pdf Cover Sheet

Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Input

This is the actual practice in the field.

Submitter Information Verification

Submitter Full Name: William StelterOrganization: Master Control Systems, Inc.Street Address: City: State:Zip: Submittal Date: Tue Jul 09 14:05:58 EDT 2013

Copyright Assignment

I, William Stelter, hereby irrevocably grant and assign to the National Fire Protection Association (NFPA) all and full rights in copyright in this Public Input (including both the Proposed Change and the Statement of Problem and Substantiation). I understand and intend that I acquire no rights, including rights as a joint author, in anypublication of the NFPA in which this Public Input in this or another similar or derivative form is used. I hereby warrant that I am the author of this Public Input and that I have full power and authority to enter into this copyright assignment.

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Public Input No. 129-NFPA 20-2013 [ Section No. 10.8.2.2 ]

10.8.2.2 Arrangement II (Individually Listed Fire Pump Controller and Power Transfer Switch).The following shall be provided:

(1) A fire pump controller power transfer switch complying with Sections 9.6and 10.8 and a fire pump controller shall be provided.

(2) The transfer switch overcurrent protection for both the normal and alternate sources shall comply with 9.2.3.4 or 9.2.3.4.1 or 9 . 2.3.4.2 .

(3) The transfer switch overcurrent protection shall be selected or set to indefinitely carry the locked rotor current of the fire pump motor where the alternate source is supplied by a second utility.

(4) An isolating switch ahead of the alternate source input terminals of the transfer switch shall meet the following requirements:

(a) The isolating switch shall be lockable in the on position.

(b) A placard shall be externally installed on the isolating switch stating “Fire Pump Isolating Switch,” with letters at least 1 in. (25 mm) in height.

(c) A placard shall be placed adjacent to the fire pump controller stating the location of the isolating switch and the location of the key (if the isolating switch is locked).

(d) The isolating switch shall be supervised to indicate when it is not closed, by one of the following methods:

i. Central station, proprietary, or remote station signal service

ii. Local signaling service that will cause the sounding of an audible signal at a constantly attended point

iii. Locking the isolating switch closed

iv. Sealing of isolating switches and approved weekly recorded inspections where isolating switches are located within fenced enclosures or in buildings under the control of the owner

(e) This supervision shall operate an audible and visible signal on the transfer switch and permit monitoring at a remote point whererequired.

Additional Proposed Changes

File Name Description Approved9.2.3.4.2-10.8.2.2_2_.pdf Cover Sheet

Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Input

This change reflects NEC CMP-13 Comment actions 13-37, Log #434 pertaining to (695.3(F)).

Submitter Information Verification

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Submitter Full Name: James DalyOrganization: [ Not Specified ]Street Address: City:State: Zip: Submittal Date: Mon Jul 08 08:47:28 EDT 2013

Copyright Assignment

I, James Daly, hereby irrevocably grant and assign to the National Fire Protection Association (NFPA) all and full rights in copyright in this Public Input (including both the Proposed Change and the Statement of Problem and Substantiation). I understand and intend that I acquire no rights, including rights as a joint author, in any publication of the NFPA in which this Public Input in this or another similar or derivative form is used. Except tothe extent that I may lack authority to make an assignment of content identified above, I hereby warrant that I am the author of this Public Input and that I have full power and authority to enter into this copyrightassignment.

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Origin (from sources other than the submitter)

Source of some text is from the NEC 2013 Annual Revision Cycle ROC Comment 13-37.

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Public Input No. 132-NFPA 20-2013 [ Section No. 10.8.2.2 ]

10.8.2.2 Arrangement II (Individually Listed Fire Pump Controller and Power Transfer Switch).The following shall be provided:

(1) A fire pump controller power transfer switch complying with Sections 9.6and 10.8 and a fire pump controller shall be provided. The overcurrent protection required by 10.8.2.2(2) and the isolating switch required by 10.8.2.2(4) shall be permitted to be provided in a separate enclosures upstream of the transfer switch.

(2) The transfer switch overcurrent protection for both the normal and alternate sources shall comply with 9.2.3.4 or 9.2.3.4.1.

(3) The transfer switch overcurrent protection shall be selected or set toindefinitely carry the locked rotor current of the fire pump motor where the alternate source is supplied by a second utility.

(4) An isolating switch ahead of the alternate source input terminals of the transfer switch shall meet the following requirements:

(a) The isolating switch shall be lockable in the on position.

(b) A placard shall be externally installed on the isolating switch stating “Fire Pump Isolating Switch,” with letters at least 1 in. (25 mm) in height.

(c) A placard shall be placed adjacent to the fire pump controller stating the location of the isolating switch and the location of the key (if the isolating switch is locked).

(d) The isolating switch shall be supervised to indicate when it is not closed, by one of the following methods:

i. Central station, proprietary, or remote station signal service

ii. Local signaling service that will cause the sounding of an audible signal at a constantly attended point

iii. Locking the isolating switch closed

iv. Sealing of isolating switches and approved weekly recorded inspections where isolating switches are located within fenced enclosures or in buildings under the control of the owner

(e) This supervision shall operate an audible and visible signal on the transfer switch and permit monitoring at a remote point whererequired.

Additional Proposed Changes

File Name Description Approvednfpapublicinputform_Kovacik3.docx Cover Sheet

Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Input

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The added text allows the overcurrent protection and the isolating switch for the stand-alone transfer switch to be provided in separate enclosures. The intent to allow this was added to Appendix A of the 2013 Edition of NFPA 20, but not covered in the body of the standard. Reference Figure A.10.8, Arrangement II.

Submitter Information Verification

Submitter Full Name: John KovacikOrganization: UL LLCStreet Address: City:State: Zip: Submittal Date: Mon Jul 08 10:41:27 EDT 2013

Copyright Assignment

I, John Kovacik, hereby irrevocably grant and assign to the National Fire Protection Association (NFPA) all and full rights in copyright in this Public Input (including both the Proposed Change and the Statement of Problem and Substantiation). I understand and intend that I acquire no rights, including rights as a joint author, in any publication of the NFPA in which this Public Input in this or another similar or derivative form is used. I herebywarrant that I am the author of this Public Input and that I have full power and authority to enter into this copyright assignment.

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Public Input No. 161-NFPA 20-2013 [ Section No. 10.8.2.2 ]

10.8.2.2 Arrangement II (Individually Listed Fire Pump Controller and Power Transfer Switch).The following shall be provided:

(1) A fire pump controller power transfer switch complying with Sections 9.6and 10.8 and a fire pump controller shall be provided.

(2) The transfer switch overcurrent protection for both the normal and alternate sources shall comply with 9.2.3.4 or 9.2.3.4.1.

(3) The transfer switch overcurrent protection shall be selected or set toindefinitely carry the locked rotor current of the fire pump motor where the alternate source is supplied by a second utility.

(4) An isolating switch ahead of the alternate source input terminals of the transfer switch shall meet the following requirements:

(a) Externally Operable. The isolating switch shall be lockable externally operable and lockable in the on position both the closed and open positions .

(b) A placard shall be externally installed on the isolating switch stating “Fire Pump Isolating Switch,” with letters at least 1 in. (25 mm) in height.

(c) A placard shall be placed adjacent to the fire pump controller stating the location of the isolating switch and the location of the key (if the isolating switch is locked).

(d) The isolating switch shall be supervised to indicate when it is not closed, by one of the following methods:

i. Central station, proprietary, or remote station signal service

ii. Local signaling service that will cause the sounding of an audible signal at a constantly attended point

iii. Locking the isolating switch closediv. Sealing of isolating switches and approved weekly recorded

inspections where isolating switches are located within fenced enclosures or in buildings under the control of the owner

(e) This supervision shall operate an audible and visible signal on the transfer switch and permit monitoring at a remote point whererequired.

Additional Proposed Changes

File Name Description Approved9.2.3.1_2_.pdf Cover Sheet

Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Input

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The ability to lock a disconnecting switch in the closed position (now a requirement) is to prevent inadvertent disconnection and the ability to lock the isolating switch in the open position is to provide safety when servicing the controller and motor circuits. It is a requirement in 76.4, UL 508 (a Normative reference from UL 218) and will permit lock-out/tag-out as required in NFPA 70E.

Submitter Information Verification

Submitter Full Name: Richard SchneiderOrganization: [ Not Specified ]Street Address: City:State: Zip: Submittal Date: Thu Jul 11 08:05:38 EDT 2013

Copyright Assignment

I, Richard Schneider, hereby irrevocably grant and assign to the National Fire Protection Association (NFPA) all and full rights in copyright in this Public Input (including both the Proposed Change and the Statement of Problem and Substantiation). I understand and intend that I acquire no rights, including rights as a joint author, in any publication of the NFPA in which this Public Input in this or another similar or derivative form is used. Ihereby warrant that I am the author of this Public Input and that I have full power and authority to enter into this copyright assignment.

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Public Input No. 163-NFPA 20-2013 [ Section No. 10.8.2.2 ]

10.8.2.2 Arrangement II (Individually Listed Fire Pump Controller and Power Transfer Switch).The following shall be provided:

(1) A fire pump controller power transfer switch complying with Sections 9.6and 10.8 and a fire pump controller shall be provided.

(2) The transfer switch overcurrent protection for both the normal and alternate sources shall comply with 9.2.3.4 or 9.2.3.4.1 or 9 . 2.3.4.2 .

(3) The transfer switch overcurrent protection shall be selected or set to indefinitely carry the locked rotor current of the fire pump motor where the alternate source is supplied by a second utility.

(4) An isolating switch ahead of the alternate source input terminals of the transfer switch shall meet the following requirements:

(a) The isolating switch shall be lockable in the on position.

(b) A placard shall be externally installed on the isolating switch stating “Fire Pump Isolating Switch,” with letters at least 1 in. (25 mm) in height.

(c) A placard shall be placed adjacent to the fire pump controller stating the location of the isolating switch and the location of the key (if the isolating switch is locked).

(d) The isolating switch shall be supervised to indicate when it is not closed, by one of the following methods:

i. Central station, proprietary, or remote station signal service

ii. Local signaling service that will cause the sounding of an audible signal at a constantly attended point

iii. Locking the isolating switch closed

iv. Sealing of isolating switches and approved weekly recorded inspections where isolating switches are located within fenced enclosures or in buildings under the control of the owner

(e) This supervision shall operate an audible and visible signal on the transfer switch and permit monitoring at a remote point whererequired.

Additional Proposed Changes

File Name Description Approved9.2.3.4.2-10.8.2.2_2_.pdf Cover Sheet

Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Input

These changes are to reflect NEC CMP-13 comment actions 13-37, Log #434 pertaining to (695.3(F)).

Submitter Information Verification

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Submitter Full Name: Richard SchneiderOrganization: [ Not Specified ]Street Address: City:State: Zip: Submittal Date: Thu Jul 11 08:16:23 EDT 2013

Copyright Assignment

I, Richard Schneider, hereby irrevocably grant and assign to the National Fire Protection Association (NFPA) all and full rights in copyright in this Public Input (including both the Proposed Change and the Statement of Problem and Substantiation). I understand and intend that I acquire no rights, including rights as a joint author, in any publication of the NFPA in which this Public Input in this or another similar or derivative form is used.Except to the extent that I may lack authority to make an assignment of content identified above, I hereby warrant that I am the author of this Public Input and that I have full power and authority to enter into this copyright assignment.

By checking this box I affirm that I am Richard Schneider, and I agree to be legally bound by the above Copyright Assignment and the terms and conditions contained therein. I understand and intend that, bychecking this box, I am creating an electronic signature that will, upon my submission of this form, have the same legal force and effect as a handwritten signature

Origin (from sources other than the submitter)

Source of some text is from the NEC 2013 Annual Revision Cycle ROC comment 13-37.

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Public Input No. 167-NFPA 20-2013 [ Sections 11.2.3.1, 11.2.3.2 ]

Sections 11.2.3.1, 11.2.3.211.2.3.1 Horizontal Shaft Pumps.

11.2.3.1.1 Engines shall be connected to horizontal shaft pumps by means

Horizontal shaft engines shall be provided with means for direct attachment of a flexible coupling adaptor or flexible connecting shaft

listed for this service.11.2.3.1.2The flexible coupling or flexible connecting shaft shall be directly attached adaptor or stub shaft or a torsional vibration damping type coupling tothe engine flywheel adapter or stub shaft. (See Section 6.5 and 7 . )11.2.3.2 Vertical Shaft Turbine–Type Pumps.

11.2.3.2.1 Unless the requirements of 11.2.3.2.2 are met, engines shall be connected to vertical shaft pumps by means of a right-angle gear drive with a listed flexible connecting shaft that will prevent undue strain on either the engine or gear drive. (See Section 7.5 .

5.1.6.4 . )

11.2.3.2.2The requirements of 11.2.3.2.1 shall not apply to diesel

engines and steam turbines designed and listed for vertical installation with vertical shaft turbine–type pumps, which shall be permitted to employ solid shafts and shall not require a right-angle drive but shall require a nonreverse ratchet.

Additional Proposed Changes

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There are no new requirements proposed in any of the proposed changes, only relocation of requirements to provide improved clarity and user friendliness.New par. Numbers as shown above.6.5.1.1 Relocation requirements from 11.2.3.1.1 to provide a single place in the standard defining the coupling requirement for separately coupled pumps.6.5.1.2 Modified to provide more clarity of listing requirements of flexible couplings and flexible connecting shafts for electric motor or diesel pump drivers.7.5.1.8.1 Relocation of requirements from Chapter 11 to Chapter 7 where other vertical turbine pump drive where other vertical turbine pump drive requirements are located.7.5.1.8.2 Renumber. Plus change text for clarity.7.5.1.8.3 Renumber.11.2.3.1 This section now applies to the engine power take-off connection for all types of pumps.11.2.3.1.1 Provide clarity that this requiremetn does not apply to vertical shaft engines that area are allowed for VT pumps, and add torsional damping coupling which is a requirement of 7.5.1.6.4.

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Public Input No. 176-NFPA 20-2013 [ Section No. 11.2.4.2.3.1 ]

11.2.4.2.3.1 Operation.(A)

The transition from the primary ECM to the alternate or alternate to primary shall be controlled by a hand/automatic switch without an offposition.

(B)When the switch required in 11.2.4.2.3.1(A) is in the automatic position, the transition from the primary ECM to the alternate or alternate to primary shall be accomplished automatically uponfailure of the either ECM.

(C)When the switch required in 11.2.4.2.3.1(A) is in the hand position,

the transition from the primary ECM to the alternate or from alternate to primary shall be accomplished manually.

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Editorial.

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Public Input No. 137-NFPA 20-2013 [ New Section after 11.2.4.2.6 ]

11.2.4.2.6.1 A means shall be provided to indicate the type of trouble.

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This allows the operator to interpret the level or severity of the trouble and initiate the proper corrective action.

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Public Input No. 138-NFPA 20-2013 [ Section No. 11.2.4.2.6 ]

11.2.4.2.6 ECM Engine Supervision.A common supervisory signal shall be provided to the controller in for the event of any of the following following events as a minimum :

(1) Fuel injection failure trouble

(2) Low fuel pressure

(3) Any primary sensor failure

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The common supervisory signal to the controller typically contains more than just the three events described and is truly a common alarm. Electronic engines typically have a general fault or common fault alarm for all trouble that is experienced on the engine.

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Public Input No. 177-NFPA 20-2013 [ Section No. 11.2.4.3.3 ]

11.2.4.3.3In the event of a failure of the variable speeds control system, the engine shall be fully functional at pump rated speed with the governor defined in 11.2.4.1 .

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To provide further definition to the existing requirement.

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Public Input No. 136-NFPA 20-2013 [ New Section after 11.2.4.3.4.1 ]

11.2.4.3.4.1.1 Pressure sensing line shall be installed with a connection that is in a horizontal orientation.

Additional Proposed Changes

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The pressure sensing line can be installed in a vertical orientation in either the top or bottom of the pipe. With it installed in the bottom it has the opportunity to gather debris. With it installed in the top it has the opportunity for an air pocket.

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Public Input No. 178-NFPA 20-2013 [ New Section after 11.2.4.4.7.2 ]

11.2.4.4.8 Means shall be provided for signaling high cooling water temperature to the controller at a temperature specified by the engine manufacturer coordinated with the sizing of the heat exchanged water supply.11.2.4.4.8.1 Means shall be provided on the engine for testing the operation of the high cooling water temperature signal to the controller, resulting in visible and common audible alarm on the controller as required in 12.4.1.3.11.2.4.4.8.2 Instructions for performing the test in 11.2.4.4.8.1 shall be included in the engine manual.

Additional Proposed Changes

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To provide the requirements of the signal from the engine to support the requirements of 12.4.1.4(11). We are removing the prescriptive requirement of 104°F (40°C) and making it a performance based requirement of the engine manufacturer.

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Public Input No. 180-NFPA 20-2013 [ Section No. 11.2.7.2.1.3 ]

11.2.7.2.1.3Nickel-cadmium or other kinds of batteries shall be permitted to be installed

in lieu of lead-acid batteries, provided they meet the engine manufacturer's requirements and the charging voltage levels of the chargers are matched to the requirements of the specific batteries .

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Many times when alternative batteries are being used, chargers with voltage charging levels for lead-acid batteries are being used.

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I, JOHN WHITNEY, hereby irrevocably grant and assign to the National Fire Protection Association (NFPA) all and full rights in copyright in this Public Input (including both the Proposed Change and the Statement of Problem and Substantiation). I understand and intend that I acquire no rights, including rights as a joint author, in any publication of the NFPA in which this Public Input in this or another similar or derivative form is used. I hereby warrant that I am the author of this Public Input and that I have full power and authority to enter into this copyright assignment.

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Public Input No. 170-NFPA 20-2013 [ Section No. 11.4.1.2.5 ]

11.4.1.2.5 .3Each tank shall have suitable fill, drain, and ventconnections connection .

Additional Proposed Changes

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Currently fuel connection requirements are scattered throughout the section. This proposal is provided to provide clarity for the user.The only additional requirements included in this proposal are:- The specification of tank vent connection of 2 in. (508.8 mm) NPT or in proposed 11.4.1.2.5.3.1- The addition of a connection for an active fuel maintenance system in 11.4.1.2.5.7. Last cycle this TC determined to leave the implementation decision of an active fuel maintenance system to NFPA 25. However, if NFPA 20 does not install a fuel tank with a suitable connection for the return pipe, the system cannot be appropriately installed if and when the owner decided to implement a system. This proposed requirement is only for a connection and a plug.

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I, JOHN WHITNEY, hereby irrevocably grant and assign to the National Fire Protection Association (NFPA) all and full rights in copyright in this Public Input (including both the Proposed Change and the Statement of Problem and Substantiation). I understand and intend that I acquire no rights, including rights as a joint author, in any publication of the NFPA in which this Public Input in this or another similar or derivative form is used. I hereby warrant that I am the author of this Public Input and that I have full power and authority to enter into this copyright assignment.

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Public Input No. 169-NFPA 20-2013 [ Sections 11.4.1.2.5, 11.4.1.2.6 ]

Sections 11.4.1.2.5, 11.4.1.2.611.4.1.2.5 Tank Connections.11.4.1.2.5.1

Each tank shall have a suitable fill , drain, and vent connections connection .11.4.1.2. 6 5.1.1Fill pipes that enter the top of the tank shall terminate within 6 in. (152 mm)

of the bottom of the tank and shall be installed or arranged so that vibration isminimized.

11.4.1.2.5.2 Each tank shall have a suitable drain connection.

11.4.1.2.5.2.1 Drain connections located in the lowest poitn of the tank shall be 1 in. (25.4 mm) NPT or sized in accordance with ANSI/UL 142,Standard for Steel Aboveground Tanks for Flammable and Combustible Liquids , or other approved standards.

Additional Proposed Changes

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Currently fuel connection requirements are scattered throughout the section. This proposal is provided to provide clarity for the user.The only additional requirements included in this proposal are:- The specification of tank vent connection of 2 in. (508.8 mm) NPT or in proposed 11.4.1.2.5.3.1- The addition of a connection for an active fuel maintenance system in 11.4.1.2.5.7. Last cycle this TC determined to leave the implementation decision of an active fuel maintenance system to NFPA 25. However, if NFPA 20 does not install a fuel tank with a suitable connection for the return pipe, the system cannot be appropriately installed if and when the owner decided to implement a system. This proposed requirement is only for a connection and a plug.

Submitter Information Verification

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I, JOHN WHITNEY, hereby irrevocably grant and assign to the National Fire Protection Association (NFPA) all and full rights in copyright in this Public Input (including both the Proposed Change and the Statement of Problem and Substantiation). I understand and intend that I acquire no rights, including rights as a joint author, in any publication of the NFPA in which this Public Input in this or another similar or derivative form is used. I hereby warrant that I am the author of this Public Input and that I have full power and authority to enter into this copyright assignment.

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Public Input No. 173-NFPA 20-2013 [ Sections 11.4.1.2.5, 11.4.1.2.6,

11.4.1.2.7 ]

Sections 11.4.1.2.5, 11.4.1.2.6, 11.4.1.2.711.4.1.2.5 .5

Each tank shall have suitable fill, drain, and vent connections enginereturn connection .11.4.1.2.

6 Fill pipes that enter the top of the tank shall terminate within 6 in. (152 mm) of the bottom of the tank and shall be installed or arranged so that vibration is minimized

5.5.1 The tank connection shall be no smaller than the fuel return piping from the engine.

11.4.1.2.5.6 Each tank shall have a suitable fuel level switch connection .

11.4.1.2.7

5.6.1

The fuel tank shall have one 2 in. (50.8 mm) NPT threaded port in the top, near the center, of the tank to accommodate the low fuel level switch required in 11 . 4.2.6.

11.4.1.2.5.7* Each tank shall have a suitable active fuel maintenance return connection.

11.4.1.2.5.7.1 The fuel tank shall have one, minimum 1 in. (25.4 mm) NPT threaded port in the top of the tank to accommodate the connection of a line for the return fuel from an active fuel maintenance system allowed NFPA 20, A.11.6.4 and NFPA 25, 2014 par. 8.3.4.

11.4.1.2.5.7.2 When there is not an active fuel system installed a plug shall be installed in this connection.

Additional Proposed Changes

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Currently fuel connection requirements are scattered throughout the section. This proposal is provided to provide clarity for the user.The only additional requirements included in this proposal are:- The specification of tank vent connection of 2 in. (508.8 mm) NPT or in proposed 11.4.1.2.5.3.1- The addition of a connection for an active fuel maintenance system in 11.4.1.2.5.7. Last cycle this TC determined to leave the implementation decision of an active fuel maintenance system to NFPA 25. However, if NFPA 20 does not install a fuel tank with a suitable connection for the return pipe, the system cannot be appropriately installed if and when the owner decided to implement a system. This proposed requirement is only for a connection and a plug.

Submitter Information Verification

Submitter Full Name: JOHN WHITNEYOrganization: CLARK FIRE PROT PRODUCTS INCStreet Address: City: State:Zip: Submittal Date: Thu Jul 11 10:03:21 EDT 2013

Copyright Assignment

I, JOHN WHITNEY, hereby irrevocably grant and assign to the National Fire Protection Association (NFPA) all and full rights in copyright in this Public Input (including both the Proposed Change and the Statement of Problem and Substantiation). I understand and intend that I acquire no rights, including rights as a joint author, in any publication of the NFPA in which this Public Input in this or another similar or derivative form is used. I hereby warrant that I am the author of this Public Input and that I have full power and authority to enter into this copyright assignment.

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Public Input No. 182-NFPA 20-2013 [ Section No. 11.4.1.2.8 ]

11.4.1.2.8 Tank Venting.If a double-wall tank is installed, the interstitial space between the shells of the diesel fuel storage tank shall be monitored for leakage and annunciated by the engine drive controller. The signal shall be of the supervisory type.

11.4.1.2.

8.19 Tank Venting.11.4.1.2.9.1

Normal vents shall be sized in accordance with ANSI/UL 142, Standard for Steel Aboveground Tanks for Flammable and Combustible Liquids, or other approved standards.

11.4.1.2. 8 9 .2As an alternate to the requirement in 11.4.1.2.8.1 , the normal vent

shall be at least as large as the largest filling or withdrawal connection, but in no case shall it be less than 1 1 ⁄ 4 in. (32 mm) nominal inside diameter.

11.4.1.2.8.3 Vent Piping.(A)

Vent piping shall be arranged so that the vapors are discharged upward or horizontally away from adjacent walls and so that vapors will not be trapped by eaves or other obstructions.

(B)Outlets shall terminate at least 5 ft (1.5 m) from building openings.

Additional Proposed Changes

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Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Input

Correcting the placement of heading, Tank Venting.

Submitter Information Verification

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I, JOHN WHITNEY, hereby irrevocably grant and assign to the National Fire Protection Association (NFPA) all and full rights in copyright in this Public Input (including both the Proposed Change and the Statement of Problem and Substantiation). I understand and intend that I acquire no rights, including rights as a joint author, in any publication of the NFPA in which this Public Input in this or another similar or derivative form is used. I hereby warrant that I am the author of this Public Input and that I have full power and authority to enter into this copyright assignment.

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Public Input No. 171-NFPA 20-2013 [ Sections 11.4.1.2.8.1,

11.4.1.2.8.2 ]

Sections 11.4.1.2.8.1, 11.4.1.2.8.211.4.1.2. 8 5 . 3. 1

Normal vents shall be 2 in. (50.8 mm) NPT or sized in accordance with ANSI/UL 142, Standard for Steel Aboveground Tanks for Flammable and Combustible Liquids, or other approved standards.

11.4.1.2. 8 5 . 3. 2As an alternate to the requirement in 11.4.1.2. 8 5 . 3. 1 , thenormal vent shall be at least as large as the largest filling or withdrawal connection, but in no case shall it be less than 1 1 ⁄ 4 in. (32 mm) nominal inside diameter.

Additional Proposed Changes

File Name Description Approved11.4.1.2.5.pdf Cover Sheet

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Currently fuel connection requirements are scattered throughout the section. This proposal is provided to provide clarity for the user.The only additional requirements included in this proposal are:- The specification of tank vent connection of 2 in. (508.8 mm) NPT or in proposed 11.4.1.2.5.3.1- The addition of a connection for an active fuel maintenance system in 11.4.1.2.5.7. Last cycle this TC determined to leave the implementation decision of an active fuel maintenance system to NFPA 25. However, if NFPA 20 does not install a fuel tank with a suitable connection for the return pipe, the system cannot be appropriately installed if and when the owner decided to implement a system. This proposed requirement is only for a connection and a plug.

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Public Input No. 175-NFPA 20-2013 [ Section No. 11.4.1.2.8.3 ]

11.4.1. 2.8. 3 Vent Piping.(A) 11.4.1.3.1

Vent piping shall be arranged so that the vapors are discharged upward or horizontally away from adjacent walls and so that vapors will not be trapped by eaves or other obstructions.

(B) 11.4.1.3.2Outlets shall terminate at least 5 ft (1.5 m) from building openings.

Additional Proposed Changes

File Name Description Approved11.4.1.2.5.pdf Cover Sheet

Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Input

Currently fuel connection requirements are scattered throughout the section. This proposal is provided to provide clarity for the user.The only additional requirements included in this proposal are:- The specification of tank vent connection of 2 in. (508.8 mm) NPT or in proposed 11.4.1.2.5.3.1- The addition of a connection for an active fuel maintenance system in 11.4.1.2.5.7. Last cycle this TC determined to leave the implementation decision of an active fuel maintenance system to NFPA 25. However, if NFPA 20 does not install a fuel tank with a suitable connection for the return pipe, the system cannot be appropriately installed if and when the owner decided to implement a system. This proposed requirement is only for a connection and a plug.

Submitter Information Verification

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Copyright Assignment

I, JOHN WHITNEY, hereby irrevocably grant and assign to the National Fire Protection Association (NFPA) all and full rights in copyright in this Public Input (including both the Proposed Change and the Statement of Problem and Substantiation). I understand and intend that I acquire no rights, including rights as a joint author, in any publication of the NFPA in which this Public Input in this or another similar or derivative form is used. I hereby warrant that I am the author of this Public Input and that I have full power and authority to enter into this copyright assignment.

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Public Input No. 123-NFPA 20-2013 [ New Section after 11.4.1.2.8.3

(B) ]

(C)Outlets shall terminate at least 12 ft above the finished ground level.

Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Input

This is a requirement from the International Fire Code (IFC). We actually do not know the origin of the 12 ft rule, but we know that many installers of fire pumps are missing this requirement that is buried in section 5704.2.7.3.3 of the IFC. Our goal is to consolidate the rules for the installation of fire pumps in one location so that everyone can find the applicable rules easily.

Submitter Information Verification

Submitter Full Name: Kenneth IsmanOrganization: National Fire Sprinkler AssociationAffilliation: E&S CommitteeStreet Address:City: State: Zip:Submittal Date: Fri Jul 05 10:33:34 EDT 2013

Copyright Assignment

I, Kenneth Isman, hereby irrevocably grant and assign to the National Fire Protection Association (NFPA) all and full rights in copyright in this Public Input (including both the Proposed Change and the Statement ofProblem and Substantiation). I understand and intend that I acquire no rights, including rights as a joint author, in any publication of the NFPA in which this Public Input in this or another similar or derivative form is used. I hereby warrant that I am the author of this Public Input and that I have full power and authority to enter into this copyright assignment.

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Public Input No. 172-NFPA 20-2013 [ Section No. 11.4.1.2.9 ]

11.4.1.2. 9 Engine Supply Connection 5.4 Each tank shall have a suitable engine supply connection .11.4.1.2. 9 5 . 4. 1

The fuel supply pipe connection shall be located on a side of thetank.

11.4.1.2. 9 5 . 4. 2The engine fuel supply (suction) pipe connection shall be located on

the tank so that 5 percent of the tank volume provides a sump volume not usable by the engine.11.4.1.2.5.4.3 The tank connection shall be no smaller than the fuel

supply piping to the engine.

Additional Proposed Changes

File Name Description Approved11.4.1.2.5.pdf Cover Sheet

Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Input

Currently fuel connection requirements are scattered throughout the section. This proposal is provided to provide clarity for the user.The only additional requirements included in this proposal are:- The specification of tank vent connection of 2 in. (508.8 mm) NPT or in proposed 11.4.1.2.5.3.1- The addition of a connection for an active fuel maintenance system in 11.4.1.2.5.7. Last cycle this TC determined to leave the implementation decision of an active fuel maintenance system to NFPA 25. However, if NFPA 20 does not install a fuel tank with a suitable connection for the return pipe, the system cannot be appropriately installed if and when the owner decided to implement a system. This proposed requirement is only for a connection and a plug.

Submitter Information Verification

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Public Input No. 181-NFPA 20-2013 [ Section No. 11.4.2 ]

11.4. 1. 2 * Fuel Supply Tank and Capacity .11.4. 2 1 . 3. 1 *

Fuel supply tank(s) shall have a capacity at least equal to 1 gal per hp (5.07 L per kW), plus 5 percent volume for expansion and 5 percent volume for sump.11.4.2. 2 3

Whether larger-capacity fuel supply tanks are required shall be determined by prevailing conditions, such as refill cycle and fuel heating due to recirculation, and shall be subject to special conditions in each case.

11.4. 1. 2. 3 1The fuel supply tank and fuel shall be reserved exclusively for

the fire pump diesel engine.

11.4. 1.3* Fuel Supply Tank Capacity.

11.4.1. 2. 4 2There shall be a separate fuel supply tank for each engine.

11.4. 2 4 .5 .3There shall be a separate fuel supply and return line for each

engine.11.4.2.6 Tank Level Indication.11.4.2.6.1

Means other than sight tubes for continuous indicating of the amount of fuel in each storage tank shall be provided.

11.4.2.6.2A fuel level indicator shall be provided to activate at the two-

thirds tank level.11.4.2.6.3

The low fuel level condition shall initiate a supervisory signal.

Additional Proposed Changes

File Name Description Approved11.4.1.2.pdf Cover Sheet

Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Input

Rearranging for clarity and user friendliness. No new requiremetns have been added.

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Submitter Full Name: JOHN WHITNEYOrganization: CLARK FIRE PROT PRODUCTS INCStreet Address: City: State:Zip: Submittal Date: Thu Jul 11 10:30:28 EDT 2013

Copyright Assignment

I, JOHN WHITNEY, hereby irrevocably grant and assign to the National Fire Protection Association (NFPA) all and full rights in copyright in this Public Input (including both the Proposed Change and the Statement of Problem and Substantiation). I understand and intend that I acquire no rights, including rights as a joint author, in any publication of the NFPA in which this Public Input in this or another similar or derivative form is used. I hereby warrant that I am the author of this Public Input and that I have full power and authority to enter into this copyright assignment.

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Public Input No. 124-NFPA 20-2013 [ New Section after 11.4.2.6.3 ]

11.4.2.6.4Tanks shall be prevented from overfilling by one of the following:(A) An automatic mechanism that sends a audible or visible signal to the person filling the tank when it reaches 90% of the tank's capacity and automatically shuts off the flow of liquid to the tank when it reaches 95% of the tank's capacity.(B) A permanent sign is provided at the fill point with the tank calibration chart andthe filling procedure, which shall include having the person performing the filloperation determining how full the tank is prior to filling and calculating the quantity of fuel (in gallons or liters) that it will take to get the tank to 90% of the tank's capacity. Where climatic conditions are such that the sign may be obscured by ice or snow, weathered beyond readability, or otherwise rendered unreadable, the prcedures and chart shall be permitted to be located in an office window, lock box, or other location accessible to the person forming the filling of the tank.(C) Any approved procedure for preventing the tank from being overfilled.

Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Input

The tank needs to be protected from overfilling.

This is a requirement from the International Fire Code (IFC). Many installers of fire pumps are missing this requirement that is buried in section 5704.2.9.7.6 of the IFC. Our goal is to consolidate the rules for the installation of fire pumps in one location so that everyone can find the applicable rules easily.

Submitter Information Verification

Submitter Full Name: Kenneth IsmanOrganization: National Fire Sprinkler AssociationAffilliation: NFSA E&S CommitteeStreet Address:City: State: Zip:Submittal Date: Fri Jul 05 10:42:23 EDT 2013

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Copyright Assignment

I, Kenneth Isman, hereby irrevocably grant and assign to the National Fire Protection Association (NFPA) all and full rights in copyright in this Public Input (including both the Proposed Change and the Statement ofProblem and Substantiation). I understand and intend that I acquire no rights, including rights as a joint author, in any publication of the NFPA in which this Public Input in this or another similar or derivative form is used. I hereby warrant that I am the author of this Public Input and that I have full power and authority to enter into this copyright assignment.

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Public Input No. 183-NFPA 20-2013 [ Section No. 11.4.3 ]

11.4.3 * Fuel Supply Tank Supply Location.11.4.3.1

Diesel fuel supply tanks shall be located above ground in accordance with municipal or other ordinances and in accordance with requirements of the authority having jurisdiction and shall not be buried.

11.4.3.2In zones where freezing temperatures [32°F (0°C)] are

possible, the fuel supply tanks shall be located in the pump room.

11.4.3.3The supply tank shall be located so the fuel supply pipe

connection to the engine is no lower than the level of the engine fuel transfer pump.

11.4.3.4The engine manufacturer's fuel pump static head pressure

limits shall not be exceeded when the level of fuel in the tank is at a maximum.

Additional Proposed Changes

File Name Description Approved11.4.3.pdf Cover Sheet

Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Input

Editorial.

Submitter Information Verification

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Copyright Assignment

I, JOHN WHITNEY, hereby irrevocably grant and assign to the National Fire Protection Association (NFPA) all and full rights in copyright in this Public Input (including both the Proposed Change and the Statement ofProblem and Substantiation). I understand and intend that I acquire no rights, including rights as a joint author, in any publication of the NFPA in which this Public Input in this or another similar or derivative form is used. I hereby warrant that I am the author of this Public Input and that I have full power and authority to enter into this copyright assignment.

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Public Input No. 101-NFPA 20-2013 [ New Section after 11.4.4.2 ]

11.4.4.2.1Where black steel pipe is used for fuel piping, the fittings shall be malleable ironfittings.

Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Input

Many AHJ's want to force the use of cast iron fittings for fuel service. But cast iron fittings can be a problem when they are struck. The brittle nature of the cast iron fitting makes it a poor choice for putting steel pipe together for fuel service.

Submitter Information Verification

Submitter Full Name: Kenneth IsmanOrganization: National Fire Sprinkler AssociationAffilliation: NFSA E&S CommitteeStreet Address:City: State: Zip:Submittal Date: Sat Jun 29 13:57:40 EDT 2013

Copyright Assignment

I, Kenneth Isman, hereby irrevocably grant and assign to the National Fire Protection Association (NFPA) all and full rights in copyright in this Public Input (including both the Proposed Change and the Statement ofProblem and Substantiation). I understand and intend that I acquire no rights, including rights as a joint author, in any publication of the NFPA in which this Public Input in this or another similar or derivative form is used. I hereby warrant that I am the author of this Public Input and that I have full power and authority to enter into this copyright assignment.

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Public Input No. 184-NFPA 20-2013 [ New Section after 11.4.4.3 ]

11.4.4.3.1 A check valve as specified by the engine manufacture is allowed to be installed in the fuel return line only when required by the enginemanufacturer.

Additional Proposed Changes

File Name Description Approved11.4.4.3.1.pdf Cover Sheet

Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Input

To eliminate confusion in the field caused by the reference to a check valve in the fuel return line in Figure A.11.4.4.

Submitter Information Verification

Submitter Full Name: JOHN WHITNEYOrganization: CLARK FIRE PROT PRODUCTS INCStreet Address: City: State:Zip: Submittal Date: Thu Jul 11 10:38:15 EDT 2013

Copyright Assignment

I, JOHN WHITNEY, hereby irrevocably grant and assign to the National Fire Protection Association (NFPA) all and full rights in copyright in this Public Input (including both the Proposed Change and the Statement of Problem and Substantiation). I understand and intend that I acquire no rights, including rights as a joint author, in any publication of the NFPA in which this Public Input in this or another similar or derivative form is used. I hereby warrant that I am the author of this Public Input and that I have full power and authority to enter into this copyright assignment.

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Public Input No. 185-NFPA 20-2013 [ New Section after 11.5.2.5 ]

11.5.2.5.1 The exhaust pipe and muffler, if used, shall be supported so none of its weight is supported by the engine's flexible connection.

Additional Proposed Changes

File Name Description Approved11.5.2.5.1.pdf Cover Sheet

Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Input

Premature failures of the engine's exhaust flexible connection due to excessive weight being applied to it resulting from inadequate support of the exhaust pipe system.

Submitter Information Verification

Submitter Full Name: JOHN WHITNEYOrganization: CLARK FIRE PROT PRODUCTS INCStreet Address: City: State:Zip: Submittal Date: Thu Jul 11 10:39:58 EDT 2013

Copyright Assignment

I, JOHN WHITNEY, hereby irrevocably grant and assign to the National Fire Protection Association (NFPA) all and full rights in copyright in this Public Input (including both the Proposed Change and the Statement of Problem and Substantiation). I understand and intend that I acquire no rights, including rights as a joint author, in any publication of the NFPA in which this Public Input in this or another similar or derivative form is used. I hereby warrant that I am the author of this Public Input and that I have full power and authority to enter into this copyright assignment.

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Public Input No. 9-NFPA 20-2013 [ Section No. 11.6.4 ]

11.6.4* Fuel Supply Maintenance. 11.6.4.1 The fuel storage tanks shall be designed and installed so that they can be kept as full and maintained as practical at all times but never below 66 percent (two-thirds) of tank capacity.11.6.4.2 The tanks shall be designed and installed so that they can always be filled by means that will ensure removal of all water and foreign material.

See uploaded file.

Additional Proposed Changes

File Name Description Approved20_PI9_Rec_from_Amendment.pdf ROP/ROC Text from Amendment

Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Input

Note: The following proposal 20-181 and comment 20-90 were returned to Committee at the 2012 Association Technical Meeting and/or subsequent Standards Council Meeting. In accordance with 4.7.1(d) and 4.7.2(c) of the Regulations Governing Committee Projects, it is now being processed as a Proposal for this revision cycle.

This proposal 20-181 and comment 20-90 were returned to Committee at the A2012 Association Technical Meeting and/or subsequent Standards Council Meeting. In accordance with 4.7.1(d) and 4.7.2(c) of the Regulations Governing Committee Projects, it is now being processed as a Proposal for this revision cycle.NOTE: This public input was also developed by Russell B. Leavitt, Telgian Corporation.

Submitter Information Verification

Submitter Full Name: John WhitneyOrganization: Clarke Fire Protection ProductsStreet Address:City: State: Zip:Submittal Date: Fri Jan 25 13:07:46 EST 2013

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Report on Proposals – June 2015 NFPA 20_______________________________________________________________________________________________20- Log #4

_______________________________________________________________________________________________

John Whitney, Clarke Fire Protection Products, Inc., Russell B. Leavitt, Telgian CorporationRevise text to read as follows:

Where environmental or fuel quality conditions result in degradation of the fuel while stored in the supply tank,from items such as water, micro-organisms and particulates, or destabilization, a listed active fuel maintenance systemshall be installed to maintain fuel quality.

Active fuel maintenance system shall be quipped with a visible indicator to indicate when the system is inneed of maintenance.

Active fuel maintenance system shall be quipped with contact closure for connect to the controller (ref. par.12.4.1.4.7) to indicate when the system is in need of maintenance.

When required the listed active fuel maintenance systems shall be permanently connected to the fuel tank asfollows:(1) All connections made directly to the tank ((this language is from current par. A.11.6.4))(2) The supply from the tank to the maintenance system shall be connected to the bottom of the fuel storage tank.(3) The return from the maintenance system to the fuel storage tank shall be installed as directed by the fuelmaintenance system manufacturer.(4) No connections are interconnected with the engine or its fuel supply and return piping in any way. ((This language isfrom current par. A.11.6.4))(5) No valves or other devices are added to the engine or its fuel supply and fuel return in any way. ((This language isfrom current par. A.11.6.4))

Commercial distillate fuel oils used in modern diesel engines are subject to various detrimental effects fromstorage. The origin of the crude oil, refinement processing techniques, time of year, and geographical consumptionlocation all influence the determination of fuel blend formulas. Sulfur, naturally occurring gums, waxes, soluble metallicsoaps, water, dirt, blends and temperature all contribute to the degradation of the fuel as it is handled and stored. Theseeffects begin at the time of fuel refinement and continue until consumption. Proper fuel storage is critical for engineoperation, efficiency, and longevity.Storage tanks should be kept water-free. Water contributes to steel tank corrosion and the development of

microbiological growth where fuel and water interface. This and the metals of the system provide elements that canreact with fuel to form certain gels or organic acids, resulting in clogging of filters and system corrosion.Scheduled fuel maintenance helps to reduce fuel degradation. Fuel maintenance filtration can remove contaminants

and water and maintain conditions to provide reliability and efficiency for standby fire pump engines. Fuel maintenanceand testing should begin the day of installation and first fill. In addition to an active fuel maintenance system a fuelstabilizer or other additives may be necessary to insure quality fuel for engine operation. Consult your active fuelmaintenance system supplier or fuel supplier for guidance regarding fuel additives and maintenance requirements forlong term storage.

Low fuel level. Fuel supply trouble. Signal at two-thirds tank capacity, or when active fuel maintenancesystem needs maintenance.

The characteristics of diesel fuel are changing and proper storage is becoming extremely important toinsure reliable operation of engines. Even when the proper fuel has been purchased and put into the fuel storage tanklong term reliability can not be assumed. For reasons as explained in the proposed annex text and governmentalmandated addition of various blends of bio-fuel, diesel fuel is requiring additional attention to insure reliable use in dieselengines for stand-by service.

Revise text to read as follows:Where environmental or fuel quality conditions result in degradation of the fuel while stored in the supply

tank from items such as water, micro-organisms and particulates, or destabilization, A listed active fuel maintenancesystem shall be installed to maintain fuel quality with all fuel storage tanks.

When required, The listed active fuel maintenance system shall be permanently connected to the fueltank as follows:

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Report on Proposals – June 2015 NFPA 20This entire section reads as a reactive action. It states that “Where environmental or fuel quality

conditions result [emphasis added] in degradation . . .Reactive actions are not appropriate for an installation standard and should be assigned to NFPA 25. If the intent is forthe installer to somehow make a determination that the conditions exist from the onset, then how is that determined?The committee must either explain how to determine the conditions exist for degradation and then add the word could

before “result in degradation of the fuel” or require it for all fuel storage tanks. If the problem is as pervasive as thecommittee seems to believe, then it should be a requirement for all storage tanks.

This proposal 20-181 and comment 20-90 were returned to Committee at the A2012 AssociationTechnical Meeting and/or subsequent Standards Council Meeting. In accordance with 4.7.1(d) and 4.7.2(c) of theRegulations Governing Committee Projects, it is now being processed as a Proposal for this revision cycle.

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Public Input No. 186-NFPA 20-2013 [ Section No. 11.6.4.2 ]

11.6.4.2The tanks shall be designed and installed so that they can always be filled by means that will ensure removal the introduction of all water and foreign material is minimized .

Additional Proposed Changes

File Name Description Approved11.6.4.2.pdf Cover Sheet

Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Input

The current text provides requirements for the design and installation that affect the process of filling the tank with fuel. The filling process will not remove water and foreign material from the tank, but should minimize the introduction of water and foreign material. Once water or foreign material has been introduced into the tank, removal is a another issue.

Submitter Information Verification

Submitter Full Name: JOHN WHITNEYOrganization: CLARK FIRE PROT PRODUCTS INCStreet Address: City: State:Zip: Submittal Date: Thu Jul 11 10:42:14 EDT 2013

Copyright Assignment

I, JOHN WHITNEY, hereby irrevocably grant and assign to the National Fire Protection Association (NFPA) all and full rights in copyright in this Public Input (including both the Proposed Change and the Statement of Problem and Substantiation). I understand and intend that I acquire no rights, including rights as a joint author, in any publication of the NFPA in which this Public Input in this or another similar or derivative form is used. I hereby warrant that I am the author of this Public Input and that I have full power and authority to enter into this copyright assignment.

By checking this box I affirm that I am JOHN WHITNEY, and I agree to be legally bound by the above Copyright Assignment and the terms and conditions contained therein. I understand and intend that, by checking this box, I am creating an electronic signature that will, upon my submission of this form, have the same legal force and effect as a handwritten signature

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Public Input No. 151-NFPA 20-2013 [ New Section after 12.3.5.3.3 ]

12.3.5.3.3 Unless approved by the Authority Having Jurisdiction, remote stopping or lockout of the fire pump shall not be allowed.

Additional Proposed Changes

File Name Description Approved20_Stelter_various.pdf Cover Sheet

Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Input

This has always been the intent of the committee based on past action, but is not stated anywhere in the standard.

Submitter Information Verification

Submitter Full Name: William StelterOrganization: Master Control Systems, Inc.Street Address: City: State:Zip: Submittal Date: Tue Jul 09 14:09:35 EDT 2013

Copyright Assignment

I, William Stelter, hereby irrevocably grant and assign to the National Fire Protection Association (NFPA) all and full rights in copyright in this Public Input (including both the Proposed Change and the Statement of Problem and Substantiation). I understand and intend that I acquire no rights, including rights as a joint author, in anypublication of the NFPA in which this Public Input in this or another similar or derivative form is used. I hereby warrant that I am the author of this Public Input and that I have full power and authority to enter into this copyright assignment.

By checking this box I affirm that I am William Stelter, and I agree to be legally bound by the above Copyright Assignment and the terms and conditions contained therein. I understand and intend that, by checking this box, I am creating an electronic signature that will, upon my submission of this form, have the same legal force and effect as a handwritten signature

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Public Input No. 11-NFPA 20-2013 [ Section No. 12.4.1.4 ]

12.4.1.4 Separate visible indicators and a common audible signal capable of being heard while the engine is running and operable in all positions of the main switch except the off position shall be provided to immediately indicate the following conditions:

(1)

(2) Battery charger failure. Each controller shall be provided with a separate visible indicator for battery charger failure and shall not require the audible signal for battery charger failure.

(3) Low air or hydraulic pressure. Where air or hydraulic starting is provided (see 11.2.7 and 11.2.7.4), each pressure tank shall provide to the controller separate visible indicators to indicate low pressure.

(4) System overpressure, for engines equipped with variable speed pressure limiting controls, to actuate at 115 percent of set pressure.

(5) ECM selector switch in alternate ECM position (for engines with ECM control only).

(6) Fuel injection malfunction (for engines with ECM only).

(7) Low fuel level. Signal at two-thirds tank capacity.

(8) Low air pressure (air-starting engine controllers only). The air supply container shall be provided with a separate visible indicator to indicate low air pressure.

(9) Low engine temperature.

(10) Supervisory signal for interstitial space liquid intrusion.(11) High cooling water temperature.

See uploaded file.

Additional Proposed Changes

File Name Description Approved20_PI9_Rec_from_Amendment.pdf ROP/ROC Text from Amendment

Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Input

* Battery failure or missing battery. Each controller shall be provided with a separate visible indicator for each battery. The battery failure signal shall initiate at no lower than two-thirds of battery nominal voltage rating (8.0 V dc on a 12 V dc system). Sensing shall be delayed to prevent nuisance signals.

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Note: The following proposal 20-181 and comment 20-90 were returned to Committee at the 2012 Association Technical Meeting and/or subsequent Standards Council Meeting. In accordance with 4.7.1(d) and 4.7.2(c) of the Regulations Governing Committee Projects, it is now being processed as a Proposal for this revision cycle.

This proposal 20-181 and comment 20-90 were returned to Committee at the A2012 Association Technical Meeting and/or subsequent Standards Council Meeting. In accordance with 4.7.1(d) and 4.7.2(c) of the Regulations Governing Committee Projects, it is now being processed as a Proposal for this revision cycle.NOTE: This public input was also developed by Russell B. Leavitt, Telgian Corporation.

Submitter Information Verification

Submitter Full Name: John WhitneyOrganization: Clarke Fire Protection ProductsStreet Address:City: State: Zip:Submittal Date: Fri Jan 25 13:18:24 EST 2013

Copyright Assignment

I, John Whitney, hereby irrevocably grant and assign to the National Fire Protection Association (NFPA) all and full rights in copyright in this Public Input (including both the Proposed Change and the Statement of Problem and Substantiation). I understand and intend that I acquire no rights, including rights as a joint author, in any publication of the NFPA in which this Public Input in this or another similar or derivative form is used. I herebywarrant that I am the author of this Public Input and that I have full power and authority to enter into this copyright assignment.

By checking this box I affirm that I am John Whitney, and I agree to be legally bound by the above Copyright Assignment and the terms and conditions contained therein. I understand and intend that, by checking this box, I am creating an electronic signature that will, upon my submission of this form, have the same legal force and effect as a handwritten signature

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Report on Proposals – June 2015 NFPA 20_______________________________________________________________________________________________20- Log #4

_______________________________________________________________________________________________

John Whitney, Clarke Fire Protection Products, Inc., Russell B. Leavitt, Telgian CorporationRevise text to read as follows:

Where environmental or fuel quality conditions result in degradation of the fuel while stored in the supply tank,from items such as water, micro-organisms and particulates, or destabilization, a listed active fuel maintenance systemshall be installed to maintain fuel quality.

Active fuel maintenance system shall be quipped with a visible indicator to indicate when the system is inneed of maintenance.

Active fuel maintenance system shall be quipped with contact closure for connect to the controller (ref. par.12.4.1.4.7) to indicate when the system is in need of maintenance.

When required the listed active fuel maintenance systems shall be permanently connected to the fuel tank asfollows:(1) All connections made directly to the tank ((this language is from current par. A.11.6.4))(2) The supply from the tank to the maintenance system shall be connected to the bottom of the fuel storage tank.(3) The return from the maintenance system to the fuel storage tank shall be installed as directed by the fuelmaintenance system manufacturer.(4) No connections are interconnected with the engine or its fuel supply and return piping in any way. ((This language isfrom current par. A.11.6.4))(5) No valves or other devices are added to the engine or its fuel supply and fuel return in any way. ((This language isfrom current par. A.11.6.4))

Commercial distillate fuel oils used in modern diesel engines are subject to various detrimental effects fromstorage. The origin of the crude oil, refinement processing techniques, time of year, and geographical consumptionlocation all influence the determination of fuel blend formulas. Sulfur, naturally occurring gums, waxes, soluble metallicsoaps, water, dirt, blends and temperature all contribute to the degradation of the fuel as it is handled and stored. Theseeffects begin at the time of fuel refinement and continue until consumption. Proper fuel storage is critical for engineoperation, efficiency, and longevity.Storage tanks should be kept water-free. Water contributes to steel tank corrosion and the development of

microbiological growth where fuel and water interface. This and the metals of the system provide elements that canreact with fuel to form certain gels or organic acids, resulting in clogging of filters and system corrosion.Scheduled fuel maintenance helps to reduce fuel degradation. Fuel maintenance filtration can remove contaminants

and water and maintain conditions to provide reliability and efficiency for standby fire pump engines. Fuel maintenanceand testing should begin the day of installation and first fill. In addition to an active fuel maintenance system a fuelstabilizer or other additives may be necessary to insure quality fuel for engine operation. Consult your active fuelmaintenance system supplier or fuel supplier for guidance regarding fuel additives and maintenance requirements forlong term storage.

Low fuel level. Fuel supply trouble. Signal at two-thirds tank capacity, or when active fuel maintenancesystem needs maintenance.

The characteristics of diesel fuel are changing and proper storage is becoming extremely important toinsure reliable operation of engines. Even when the proper fuel has been purchased and put into the fuel storage tanklong term reliability can not be assumed. For reasons as explained in the proposed annex text and governmentalmandated addition of various blends of bio-fuel, diesel fuel is requiring additional attention to insure reliable use in dieselengines for stand-by service.

Revise text to read as follows:Where environmental or fuel quality conditions result in degradation of the fuel while stored in the supply

tank from items such as water, micro-organisms and particulates, or destabilization, A listed active fuel maintenancesystem shall be installed to maintain fuel quality with all fuel storage tanks.

When required, The listed active fuel maintenance system shall be permanently connected to the fueltank as follows:

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Report on Proposals – June 2015 NFPA 20This entire section reads as a reactive action. It states that “Where environmental or fuel quality

conditions result [emphasis added] in degradation . . .Reactive actions are not appropriate for an installation standard and should be assigned to NFPA 25. If the intent is forthe installer to somehow make a determination that the conditions exist from the onset, then how is that determined?The committee must either explain how to determine the conditions exist for degradation and then add the word could

before “result in degradation of the fuel” or require it for all fuel storage tanks. If the problem is as pervasive as thecommittee seems to believe, then it should be a requirement for all storage tanks.

This proposal 20-181 and comment 20-90 were returned to Committee at the A2012 AssociationTechnical Meeting and/or subsequent Standards Council Meeting. In accordance with 4.7.1(d) and 4.7.2(c) of theRegulations Governing Committee Projects, it is now being processed as a Proposal for this revision cycle.

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Public Input No. 139-NFPA 20-2013 [ Section No. 12.4.1.4 ]

12.4.1.4Separate visible indicators and a common audible signal capable of being heard while the engine is running and operable in all positions of the main switch except the off position shall be provided to immediately indicate the following conditions:

(1)

(2) Battery charger failure. Each controller shall be provided with a separate visible indicator for battery charger failure and shall not require the audible signal for battery charger failure.

(3) Low air or hydraulic pressure. Where air or hydraulic starting is provided (see 11.2.7 and 11.2.7.4 ) , each pressure tank shall provide to the controller separate visible indicators to indicate low pressure.

(4) System overpressure, for engines equipped with variable speed pressure limiting controls, to actuate at 115 percent of set pressure.

(5) ECM selector switch in alternate ECM position (for engines with ECM control only).

(6) Fuel injection malfunction Common alarm for fuel injuection trouble (for engines with ECM only).

(7) Low fuel level. Signal at two-thirds tank capacity.

(8) Low air pressure (air-starting engine controllers only). The air supply container shall be provided with a separate visible indicator to indicate low air pressure.

(9) Low engine temperature.

(10) Supervisory signal for interstitial space liquid intrusion.

(11) High cooling water temperature.

Additional Proposed Changes

File Name Description Approved12.4.1.4_6_.pdf Cover Sheet

Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Input

The signal from the engine as described in 11.4.2.6 is typically a common or general fault alarm. This creates confusion at the installation as to the degree of the trouble.

Submitter Information Verification

* Battery failure or missing battery. Each controller shall be provided with a separate visible indicator for each battery. The battery failure signal shall initiate at no lower than two-thirds of battery nominal voltage rating (8.0 V dc on a 12 V dc system). Sensing shall be delayed to prevent nuisance signals.

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Submitter Full Name: KEVIN KUNKLEROrganization: CLARKE FIRE PROT PRODUCTSStreet Address:City: State: Zip:Submittal Date: Tue Jul 09 11:36:00 EDT 2013

Copyright Assignment

I, KEVIN KUNKLER, hereby irrevocably grant and assign to the National Fire Protection Association (NFPA) all and full rights in copyright in this Public Input (including both the Proposed Change and the Statement ofProblem and Substantiation). I understand and intend that I acquire no rights, including rights as a joint author, in any publication of the NFPA in which this Public Input in this or another similar or derivative form is used. I hereby warrant that I am the author of this Public Input and that I have full power and authority to enter into this copyright assignment.

By checking this box I affirm that I am KEVIN KUNKLER, and I agree to be legally bound by the above Copyright Assignment and the terms and conditions contained therein. I understand and intend that, by checking this box, I am creating an electronic signature that will, upon my submission of this form, have the same legal force and effect as a handwritten signature

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Public Input No. 100-NFPA 20-2013 [ Section No. 12.7.2.1.1.2 ]

12.7.2.1.1.2 (new) This pressure-actuated switch or electronic pressure sensor shall be located, and sense pressure, @ the end of a vertical pressure sensing line complying with 4.30 with no less than 12” vertical sensing line free from any other devices directly below the sensor.12.7.2.1.1.2

The requirement of 12.7.2.1.1.1 shall not apply to a non-pressure-actuated controller, where the pressure-actuated switch or pressure responsive means shall not be required.

Additional Proposed Changes

File Name Description Approved20_Schneider.pdf Cover Sheet

Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Input

This 12” (min.) vertical section of un-obstructed sensing pipe will contain air and act as a damper thus mitigating water hammer and also prevent possible deterioration of the diaphragm from water-born contamination thus enhancing transducer life.

Submitter Information Verification

Submitter Full Name: Richard SchneiderOrganization: [ Not Specified ]Street Address: City:State: Zip: Submittal Date: Thu Jun 27 08:16:54 EDT 2013

Copyright Assignment

I, Richard Schneider, hereby irrevocably grant and assign to the National Fire Protection Association (NFPA) all and full rights in copyright in this Public Input (including both the Proposed Change and the Statement of Problem and Substantiation). I understand and intend that I acquire no rights, including rights as a joint author, in any publication of the NFPA in which this Public Input in this or another similar or derivative form is used. Ihereby warrant that I am the author of this Public Input and that I have full power and authority to enter into this copyright assignment.

By checking this box I affirm that I am Richard Schneider, and I agree to be legally bound by the above Copyright Assignment and the terms and conditions contained therein. I understand and intend that, by checking this box, I am creating an electronic signature that will, upon my submission of this form, have the same legal force and effect as a handwritten signature

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Public Input No. 152-NFPA 20-2013 [ New Section after 12.7.2.1.2 ]

12.7.2.1.2* When an electronic pressure sensor is used to automatically control fire pump operation, the fire pump controller shall monitor the transducer during automatic testing.12.7.2.1.2.1* When the lowest pressure reading exceeds 10 psi during any automatic pump start where initiated by the solenoid valve as required by 12.7.2.7.3, the controller shall activate a visual and silenceable audible alarm.

Additional Proposed Changes

File Name Description Approved20_Stelter_various.pdf Cover Sheet

Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Input

Monitor diesel pressure transducers for drifting, which over time which has been a proven problem.

Submitter Information Verification

Submitter Full Name: William StelterOrganization: Master Control Systems, Inc.Street Address: City: State:Zip: Submittal Date: Tue Jul 09 14:11:51 EDT 2013

Copyright Assignment

I, William Stelter, hereby irrevocably grant and assign to the National Fire Protection Association (NFPA) all and full rights in copyright in this Public Input (including both the Proposed Change and the Statement of Problem and Substantiation). I understand and intend that I acquire no rights, including rights as a joint author, in anypublication of the NFPA in which this Public Input in this or another similar or derivative form is used. I hereby warrant that I am the author of this Public Input and that I have full power and authority to enter into this copyright assignment.

By checking this box I affirm that I am William Stelter, and I agree to be legally bound by the above Copyright Assignment and the terms and conditions contained therein. I understand and intend that, by checking this box, I am creating an electronic signature that will, upon my submission of this form, have the same legal force and effect as a handwritten signature

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Public Input No. 23-NFPA 20-2013 [ New Section after 12.7.2.1.7 ]

TITLE OF NEW CONTENT12.7.2.1.8 When an electronic pressure sensor is used to control fire pump operation, the fire pump controller shall monitor for and provide a signal for the following electronic pressure sensor conditions.(1)* For all pressure transducers relating to fire pump operation: Electronic pressure reading exceeding a preset high pressure value(2)* For a transducer in the automatic start pressure sensing line: minimum electronic pressure reading that fails to fall below a preset automatic start low value during automatic pump startup.(3)* For all pressure transducers relating to fire pump operation: Electronic pressure reading below a preset low value at any time except during an automatic startup.(4)* Any tine the transducer output is less than 10% of rated span below its rated zero pressure output.(5)* Any time is more than 10% of it's rated span above its rated full scale output.(6)* For a variable speed motor driven fire pump controller: any time the output from the variable speed control transducer differs from the output of the start/stop transducer by more than 5% of rated transducer span.(7)* For controllers equipped with weekly test start, when the pressure output is more than 5% of rated range above the rated zero output.12.7.2.1.8.1 When one of the conditions monitered in 10.5.2.1.6 occurs, the controller shall either activate a visual and silenceable audible alarm and activatecontacts for a remote alarm, or start the pump.

Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Input

The recent recall of Transducers clearly identifies a problem for failure that can be monitered by current technology. While the recall addressed the immediate problem, there is a likelihood of similar issues occurring in future problems. Mercoid switches do not have a mechanism outside of actual testing to identify failures, Transducers communicate continuously with the controller and can and should be monitored for abnormal conditions that may occur outside of testing.

Related Public Inputs for This Document

Related Input RelationshipPublic Input No. 22-NFPA 20-2013 [New Section after 10.5.2.1.7.6]

Both section deal with monitoring of tranducers

Submitter Information Verification

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Submitter Full Name: Gayle PennelOrganization: Aon Fire Protection EngineerinStreet Address: City:State: Zip: Submittal Date: Thu Mar 07 12:09:05 EST 2013

Copyright Assignment

I, Gayle Pennel, hereby irrevocably grant and assign to the National Fire Protection Association (NFPA) all and full rights in copyright in this Public Input (including both the Proposed Change and the Statement of Problem and Substantiation). I understand and intend that I acquire no rights, including rights as a joint author, in any publication of the NFPA in which this Public Input in this or another similar or derivative form is used. I herebywarrant that I am the author of this Public Input and that I have full power and authority to enter into this copyright assignment.

By checking this box I affirm that I am Gayle Pennel, and I agree to be legally bound by the above Copyright Assignment and the terms and conditions contained therein. I understand and intend that, by checking this box, I am creating an electronic signature that will, upon my submission of this form, have the same legal force and effect as a handwritten signature

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Public Input No. 156-NFPA 20-2013 [ Section No. 12.7.2.6.2 ]

12.7.2.6.2Automatic shutdown shall not be permitted where the pumpconstitutes the sole source of supply of a fire sprinkler or standpipe system or where the authority having jurisdiction has required manualshutdown.

Additional Proposed Changes

File Name Description Approved20_Stelter_various.pdf Cover Sheet

Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Input

This is the actual practice in the field.

Submitter Information Verification

Submitter Full Name: William StelterOrganization: Master Control Systems, Inc.Street Address: City: State:Zip: Submittal Date: Tue Jul 09 14:22:35 EDT 2013

Copyright Assignment

I, William Stelter, hereby irrevocably grant and assign to the National Fire Protection Association (NFPA) all and full rights in copyright in this Public Input (including both the Proposed Change and the Statement of Problem and Substantiation). I understand and intend that I acquire no rights, including rights as a joint author, in anypublication of the NFPA in which this Public Input in this or another similar or derivative form is used. I hereby warrant that I am the author of this Public Input and that I have full power and authority to enter into this copyright assignment.

By checking this box I affirm that I am William Stelter, and I agree to be legally bound by the above Copyright Assignment and the terms and conditions contained therein. I understand and intend that, by checking this box, I am creating an electronic signature that will, upon my submission of this form, have the same legal force and effect as a handwritten signature

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Public Input No. 18-NFPA 20-2013 [ Section No. 12.7.2.6.2 ]

12.7.2.6.2 Automatic shutdown after an automatic demand start shall not be permitted where the pump constitutes the sole source of supply of a fire sprinkler or standpipe system or where the authority having jurisdiction has required manual shutdown.

Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Input

Eliminate conflict languate about an automatic stop after a test start which is permitted

Submitter Information Verification

Submitter Full Name: Gayle PennelOrganization: Aon Fire Protection EngineerinStreet Address:City: State: Zip:Submittal Date: Tue Feb 12 11:14:53 EST 2013

Copyright Assignment

I, Gayle Pennel, hereby irrevocably grant and assign to the National Fire Protection Association (NFPA) all and full rights in copyright in this Public Input (including both the Proposed Change and the Statement of Problem and Substantiation). I understand and intend that I acquire no rights, including rights as a joint author, in any publication of the NFPA in which this Public Input in this or another similar or derivative form is used. I herebywarrant that I am the author of this Public Input and that I have full power and authority to enter into this copyright assignment.

By checking this box I affirm that I am Gayle Pennel, and I agree to be legally bound by the above Copyright Assignment and the terms and conditions contained therein. I understand and intend that, by checking this box, I am creating an electronic signature that will, upon my submission of this form, have the same legal force and effect as a handwritten signature

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Public Input No. 154-NFPA 20-2013 [ New Section after 12.7.2.7 ]

12.7.2.7 Automatic Testing.12.7.2.7.1 To ensure dependable operation of hte motor and its controller, the controller equipment shall be arranged to automatically start and run the motor at the minimum noflow test frequency and duration required by NFPA 25.12.7.2.7.2 Performance of the Automatic Testing shall be recorded as a pressure drop indication on the pressure recorder.12.7.2.7.3 A solenoid valve drain on the pressure control line shall be the initiating means.12.7.2.7.4 In a non-pressure-actuated controller, the automatic testing shall be permitted to be initiated by means other than a solenoid valve.12.7.2.7.5 The controller shall use the opposite battery bank (every other bank) for cranking on subsequent weeks.

Additional Proposed Changes

File Name Description Approved20_Stelter_various.pdf Cover Sheet

Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Input

Monitor diesel pressure transducers for drifting, which over time which has been a proven problem.

Submitter Information Verification

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Public Input No. 19-NFPA 20-2013 [ Section No. 12.7.2.7.3 ]

12.7.2.7.3 Means shall be permitted within the controller to manually to automatically terminate the weekly test, provided a minimum of 30 minutes has expired.

Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Input

Correct the intention of this paragraph

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corrolate automatic test stoprequirements

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Public Input No. 106-NFPA 20-2013 [ Section No. 14.1.1.1 ]

14.1.1.1Suction piping shall be flushed at a flow rate not less than indicated in Table 14.1.1.1 or at the hydraulically calculated water demand rate of the system, whichever is greater.Table 14.1.1.1 Minimum Flow Rates for Flushing Suction Piping

Nominal Pipe Size

(in.)

Flow rate

(gpm)

1½8575 383452842 150 505405683330300 75 1,3801364590600 100 2,1602715920750 12532 ,4908396 1,360125 150 4,850

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2598 2,350250 200 8,90051710 3,670750 2501314 ,9001951256 ,290000 3002022 ,030712

Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Input

This table should match table 4.26 (a) in that the flush rate should be at least 150% of pump allowed to be connected to the pipe sizes.

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Public Input No. 109-NFPA 20-2013 [ Section No. 14.1.1.3 [Excluding

any Sub-Sections] ]

Where the maximum flow available from the water supply cannot provide the flow rate provided in Table 14.1.1.1, the flushing flow rate shall be the greater of 100 greatest flow possible, as long as it is over 100 percent of rated the rated flow of the connected fire pump or the maximum flow demand of the fire protection system(s).

Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Input

Always flush at a maximum to keep from plugging pump when testing.

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Public Input No. 85-NFPA 20-2013 [ New Section after 14.2.4.1 ]

TITLE OF NEW CONTENT14.2.4.1.2 For multiple stage multiple port pumps, a copy of the manufacturer’s certified shop test data for each impeller shall be available for comparison of the results of the field acceptance test.

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Part of multiple stage multiple port fire pump requirements

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Part of multiple stage multiple port fire pump requirements

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Public Input No. 116-NFPA 20-2013 [ Section No. 14.2.4.1 [Excluding

any Sub-Sections] ]

A copy of the manufacturer's certified pump test characteristic curve shall be available for comparison of the results of the field acceptance test (Note: manufacture's curves include speed and head velocity corrections) .

Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Input

All manufacture's certified curves include speed and head velocity corrections and most are used to check the performance of the pump unit.

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Public Input No. 97-NFPA 20-2013 [ Section No. 14.2.6.2.4 ]

14.2.6.2.4Vibrations Vibration of the fire pump assembly shall not be of a magnitude to pose potential damage to any fire conform to the Hydraulic Institute Standards for Centrifugal, Rotary and Reciprocating Pumps.

A14.2.6.2.4 Vibrations in excess of the limits in the Hydraulic Institue Standards for Centrifugal, Rotary and Reciprocating may pose potential damage to fire pump component.

Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Input

Provides an measurable and enforceable limit on vibration

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Public Input No. 108-NFPA 20-2013 [ Section No. 14.2.6.2.6

[Excluding any Sub-Sections] ]

Where the If the maximum flow available from the water supply cannot provide a flow of 150 percent of the pump's rated flow of the pump , the fire pump shall be operated at the greater of greatest flow possible, as long as it is over 100 percent of rated flow or the maximum flow demand of the fire protection system(s) maximum allowable discharge the pump design and meets the system's designed flow, to determine its acceptance.

Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Input

We shall be testing to maximum possible, not just minimum.

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Public Input No. 110-NFPA 20-2013 [ Section No. 14.2.6.2.8 ]

* 14.2.6.2.8 Water Level Detection.Water level detection shall be required for all vertical turbine pumps installed in wells to , or wet pits, to determine the suction pressure available suction lift at the shutoff, 100 percent flow, and 150 percent flow points, to determine if the pump is operating within its design conditions.

A.14.2.6.2.8The water depth shall be changed to pressure added to pump discharge pressure.

FT/N distance to water x2.31 = Pressure to be added to discharge pressure

Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Input

Vertical pumps do not have suction pressure, it is lift.

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Public Input No. 87-NFPA 20-2013 [ New Section after 14.2.6.3.3 ]

14.2.6.4 Multiple Stage Multiple Port Pumps.14.2.6.4.1 Each impeller on a multiple stage multiple port fire pump shall be tested in accordance with this standard.

Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Input

Part of multiple stage multiple port fire pump requirements

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Part of multiple stage multiple port fire pump requirements

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Public Input No. 117-NFPA 20-2013 [ Section No. 14.2.6.4.7.2 ]

14.2.6.4.7.2Engine-driven units shall not show signs of overload or stress (such as change in engine exhaust back pressure) .

Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Input

To give an example of stress on the engine rather than guessing.

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Public Input No. 76-NFPA 20-2013 [ New Section after A.3.3.36 ]

Add New SectionA.3.3.28.11 A multiple stage multiple port pump functions similarly to fire pumps arranged in series. The primary difference between multiple stage multiple port pump and fire pumps arranged in series is that individual drivers are required for firepumps arranged in series, and no shut off valve is provided between the impellers on a multiple stage multiple port pump.

Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Input

NFPA 20 does not currently address multiple stage multiple port fire pumps

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Appendix information for newdefination

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Public Input No. 70-NFPA 20-2013 [ New Section after A.4.6.4 ]

TITLE OF NEW CONTENTA.4.6.2.4 Water surges are a complex phenomenon that require specialize analysis. In general, pressure surges are caused by a rapid change in the flow rate. Dead end water mains are more susceptible to pressure surges than circulating water mains. Some of the conditions where a rapid change in flow rate may occur include:

Starting a fire pump•

Stopping a fire pump•

Rapid closing of a pressure relief valve•

Operation of a dry pipe sprinkler systems•Rapidly closing a fire hydrant •

Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Input

Appendix material to aid in understanding pressure surge issues.

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Public Input No. 24-NFPA 20-2013 [ New Section after A.4.10.2 ]

TITLE OF NEW CONTENTA.10.5.2.1.8: The purpose of monitoring pressure reading from a pressure transducer is to detect and correct a transducer that is operating outside of the expected pressure range.A.10.5.2.1.8(1) . For an electronic pressure sensor on the fire pump discharge, the preset high pressure should be set approximately 10 psi above the maximum anticipated churn discharge pressure.A.10.5.2.1.8(2) For an electronic pressure sensor on the fire pump discharge, the preset automatic start low should be set approximately 5 psi above the lowest pressure observed in the pressure sensing line during an automatic pump start.A.10.5.2.1.8(3) For an electronic pressure sensor on the fire pump suction, the preset low pressure should be set approximately 5 psi below above the minimum pump suction pressure. For an electronic pressure sensor on the fire pump discharge the preset low pressure value should be set approximately 10 psi below the pump discharge pressure at 150% of rated flow.

Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Input

See substantiation for section 10.5.2.1.8 proposal

Related Public Inputs for This Document

Related Input RelationshipPublic Input No. 22-NFPA 20-2013 [New Section after10.5.2.1.7.6]

Appendix for section10.5.2.1.8

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Public Input No. 52-NFPA 20-2013 [ Section No. A.4.12 ]

NOTE: This proposal appeared as Comment 13-253 (Log #269) which was held from the A12 ROC on Proposal 13-371.A.4.12

Special consideration needs to be given to fire pump installations installed belowgrade. Light, heat, drainage, and ventilation are several of the variables that need to be addressed. The vertical elevation of both the fire pump and the controller should be coordinated to ensure that both will not be flooded. Some locations or installations might not require a pump house. Where a pump room or pump house is required, it should be of ample size and located to permit short and properly arranged piping. The suction piping should receive first consideration. The pump house should preferably be a detached building of noncombustible construction. A one-story pump room with a combustible roof, either detached or well cut off from an adjoining one-story building, is acceptable if sprinklered. Where a detached building is not feasible, the pump room should be located and constructed so as to protect the pump unit and controls from falling floors or machinery and from fire that could drive away the pump operator or damage the pump unit or controls. Access to the pump room should be provided from outside the building. Where the use of brick or reinforced concrete is not feasible, metal lath and plaster is recommended for the construction of the pump room. The pump room or pump house should not be used for storage purposes. Vertical shaftturbine–type pumps might necessitate a removable panel in the pump house roof to permit the pump to be removed for inspection or repair. Proper clearances to equipment should be provided as recommended by the manufacturer's drawings.

Additional Proposed Changes

File Name Description Approved20_PI_52_Held_Comment_20-120_Anthony_.pdf Held Comment 20-120

Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Input

If a fire pump is on an elevated platform to keep it above a flood level, the bottom of the pump controller should not be below this level. It is recognized that this comment will be held over until the next revision cycle because it presents the committee a new concept. We would like to see this concept tracking in the discussion at any point.

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Submitter Full Name: Michael Anthony

Organization: University of Michigan

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Street Address: City:State: Zip: Submittal Date: Thu May 23 11:25:00 EDT 2013

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Public Input No. 71-NFPA 20-2013 [ New Section after A.4.17 ]

TITLE OF NEW CONTENTA.4.17.2 See A.4.6.2.4 for a discussion of pressure surges. ...

Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Input

Provide aid in understanding pressure surge issues

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Submitter Full Name: Gayle PennelOrganization: Aon Fire Protection EngineerinStreet Address:City: State: Zip:Submittal Date: Fri Jun 07 15:15:28 EDT 2013

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Public Input No. 96-NFPA 20-2013 [ Section No. A.4.18.2.1 ]

Correct Line 27 in Table A. 1.18.2.1 as follows27. Pressure at Pressure Relief Valve discharge (#1-#25-#26)A. 4.18.2.1See Figure A.4.18.2.1 .Figure A.4.18.2.1 Sample Pressure Relief Valve Calculation.

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Correcting error in original Table

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Public Input No. 53-NFPA 20-2013 [ New Section after A.9.2 ]

NOTE: This proposal appeared as Comment 20-125 (Log #110) which was held from the A12 ROC on Proposal N/A.A.9.2.2 Fire protection requirements for multi-building campuses may be effectively met with centrally located fire pump facilities.

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Where environmental conditions permit, modular, pre-packaged fire pump houses driven by diesel generators offer very significant advantages. Among them:1. Recovery of interior enterprise space in all protected buildings.2. A diesel generator for an electric fire pump provides an independent source of power.3. Significantly lower first cost and operations and maintenance cost.There are trade-offs. Despite them, we would like to see centralized, multi-building

sprinkler systems tracking more explicitly in this document. It is recognized that this comment will be held over until the next revision cycle because it presents the committee a new concept.

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Submitter Full Name: Michael Anthony

Organization: University of Michigan

Affilliation: APPA.ORG - Leadeship in Education/Association of Education Facility Executives

Street Address: City:State: Zip: Submittal Date: Thu May 23 11:30:52 EDT 2013

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Public Input No. 60-NFPA 20-2013 [ Section No. A.9.3.2 ]

A.9.3.2A reliable power source possesses the following characteristics:

(1) The source power plant has not experienced any shutdowns longer than 4 continuous hours in the year prior to plan submittal. NFPA 25, Standard for the Inspection, Testing, and Maintenance of Water-Based Fire Protection Systems , requires special undertakings (i.e., fire watches) when a water-based fire protection system is taken out of service for longer than 4 than 10 hours. If the normal source power plant has been intentionally shut down for longer than 4 hours in the past, it is reasonable to require a backup source of power.

(2) Power outages have not routinely been experienced in the area of the protected facility caused by failures in generation or transmission. The standard is not intended to require that the normal source of power be infallible to deem the power reliable. NFPA 20 does not intend to require a back-up source of power for every installation using an electric motor–driven fire pump. Note that should the normal source of power fail in a rare event, the impairment procedures of NFPA 25 could be followed to mitigate the fire risk. If a fire does occur during the power loss, the fire protection system could be supplied through the fire department connection.

(3) The normal source of power is not supplied by overhead conductors outside the protected facility. Fire departments responding to an incident at the protected facility will not operate aerial apparatus near live overhead power lines, without exception. A backup source of power is required in case this scenario occurs and the normal source of power must be shut off. Additionally, many utility providers will remove power to the protected facility by physically cutting the overhead conductors. If the normal source of power is provided by overhead conductors, which will not be identified, the utility provider could mistakenly cut the overhead conductor supplying the fire pump.

(4) Only the disconnect switches and overcurrent protection devices permitted by 9.2.3 are installed in the normal source of power. Power disconnection and activated overcurrent protection should only occur in the fire pump controller. The provisions of 9.2.2 for the disconnect switch and overcurrent protection essentially require disconnection and overcurrent protection to occur in the fire pump controller. If unanticipated disconnect switches or overcurrent protection devices areinstalled in the normal source of power that do not meet the requirements of 9.2.2 , the normal source of power must be considered not reliable and a back-up source of power is necessary.

Typical methods of routing power from the source to the motor are shown in Figure A.9.2 . Other configurations are also acceptable. The determination of the reliability of a service is left up to the discretion of the authority havingjurisdiction.

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The 2011 Edition of NFPA 25 revised more than 4 hours to more than 10 hours. While I am not sure the Annex note really makes sense as it would appear, at least it would be technically correct. The Committee may want to further revise the Annex note since the duration in NFPA 25 is not consistent with the 4 hour time period in NFPA 20.

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Submitter Full Name: William KoffelOrganization: Koffel Associates, Inc.Street Address: City:State: Zip: Submittal Date: Thu Jun 06 06:00:07 EDT 2013

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Public Input No. 147-NFPA 20-2013 [ New Section after A.10.5.2.1 ]

A.10.5.2.1.2 The purpose of monitoring the pressure transducer is to detect if a transducer that has drifted upwardly over time from zero. A transducer that drifts downwardly will automatically cause the fire pump to start when it drifts below the start set point.A.10.5.2.1.2.1 When the solenoid valve drain opens, the restricting orifice in the pressure sensing line will keep the pressure at the transducer near zero while the solenoid valve is open. This is the time when the transducer can verified to be less than 10 psi.

Additional Proposed Changes

File Name Description Approved20_Stelter_various.pdf Cover Sheet

Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Input

Monitor electric pressure transducers for drifting, which over time which has been a proven problem.

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Submitter Full Name: William StelterOrganization: Master Control Systems, Inc.Street Address: City: State:Zip: Submittal Date: Tue Jul 09 13:43:36 EDT 2013

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Public Input No. 174-NFPA 20-2013 [ New Section after

A.11.3.2.4.3.4 ]

A.11.4.1.2.5.7 NFPA 25, 2014 allows the installation of an active fuel maintenance system to continually maintain the quality of fuel. Since the fuel tank connections cannot be added after originally being installed, this connection will allow for the connection of an active fuel maintenance system anytime thereafter and conform to piping code requirements.

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File Name Description Approved11.4.1.2.5.pdf Cover Sheet

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Currently fuel connection requirements are scattered throughout the section. This proposal is provided to provide clarity for the user.The only additional requirements included in this proposal are:- The specification of tank vent connection of 2 in. (508.8 mm) NPT or in proposed 11.4.1.2.5.3.1- The addition of a connection for an active fuel maintenance system in 11.4.1.2.5.7. Last cycle this TC determined to leave the implementation decision of an active fuel maintenance system to NFPA 25. However, if NFPA 20 does not install a fuel tank with a suitable connection for the return pipe, the system cannot be appropriately installed if and when the owner decided to implement a system. This proposed requirement is only for a connection and a plug.

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Submitter Full Name: JOHN WHITNEYOrganization: CLARK FIRE PROT PRODUCTS INCStreet Address: City: State:Zip: Submittal Date: Thu Jul 11 10:06:39 EDT 2013

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Public Input No. 187-NFPA 20-2013 [ Section No. A.11.4.4 ]

Revise the figure to show separation of vent and engine return pipe and fill cap.A.11.4.4NFPA 31, Standard for the Installation of Oil-Burning Equipment , can be used as a guide for diesel fuel piping. Figure A.11.4.4 shows a suggested diesel engine fuel system.

Figure A.11.4.4 Fuel System for Diesel Engine–Driven Fire Pump.

Additional Proposed Changes

File Name Description ApprovedA.11.4.4.pdf Cover Sheet

Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Input

Some local codes do not allow for fuel flow through vent pipes.

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Submitter Full Name: JOHN WHITNEYOrganization: CLARK FIRE PROT PRODUCTS INCStreet Address: City: State:Zip: Submittal Date: Thu Jul 11 10:45:18 EDT 2013

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Public Input No. 188-NFPA 20-2013 [ Section No. A.11.4.4 ]

Revise the figure A.11.4.4 to show the proper connection locations for the allowed active fuel maintenance system.A.11.4.4NFPA 31, Standard for the Installation of Oil-Burning Equipment , can be used as a guide for diesel fuel piping. Figure A.11.4.4 shows a suggested diesel engine fuel system.

Figure A.11.4.4 Fuel System for Diesel Engine–Driven Fire Pump.

Additional Proposed Changes

File Name Description ApprovedA.11.4.4_2_.pdf Cover Sheet

Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Input

There is confusion in the field as to the correct connection location for the fuel maintenance systems.

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Submitter Full Name: JOHN WHITNEYOrganization: CLARK FIRE PROT PRODUCTS INCStreet Address: City: State:Zip: Submittal Date: Thu Jul 11 10:47:21 EDT 2013

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Public Input No. 10-NFPA 20-2013 [ Section No. A.11.6.4 ]

A.11.6.4 Active systems that are permanently added to fuel tanks for removing water and particulates from the fuel can be acceptable, provided the following apply:

(1) All connections are made directly to the tank and are not interconnected with the engine or its fuel supply and return piping in any way.

(2) There are no valves or other devices added to the engine or its fuel supply and return piping in any way.

See uploaded file.

Additional Proposed Changes

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Note: The following proposal 20-181 and comment 20-90 were returned to Committee at the 2012 Association Technical Meeting and/or subsequent Standards Council Meeting. In accordance with 4.7.1(d) and 4.7.2(c) of the Regulations Governing Committee Projects, it is now being processed as a Proposal for this revision cycle.

This proposal 20-181 and comment 20-90 were returned to Committee at the A2012 Association Technical Meeting and/or subsequent Standards Council Meeting. In accordance with 4.7.1(d) and 4.7.2(c) of the Regulations Governing Committee Projects, it is now being processed as a Proposal for this revision cycle.NOTE: This public input was also developed by Russell B. Leavitt, Telgian Corporation.

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Submitter Full Name: John WhitneyOrganization: Clarke Fire Protection ProductsStreet Address:City: State: Zip:Submittal Date: Fri Jan 25 13:16:41 EST 2013

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Report on Proposals – June 2015 NFPA 20_______________________________________________________________________________________________20- Log #4

_______________________________________________________________________________________________

John Whitney, Clarke Fire Protection Products, Inc., Russell B. Leavitt, Telgian CorporationRevise text to read as follows:

Where environmental or fuel quality conditions result in degradation of the fuel while stored in the supply tank,from items such as water, micro-organisms and particulates, or destabilization, a listed active fuel maintenance systemshall be installed to maintain fuel quality.

Active fuel maintenance system shall be quipped with a visible indicator to indicate when the system is inneed of maintenance.

Active fuel maintenance system shall be quipped with contact closure for connect to the controller (ref. par.12.4.1.4.7) to indicate when the system is in need of maintenance.

When required the listed active fuel maintenance systems shall be permanently connected to the fuel tank asfollows:(1) All connections made directly to the tank ((this language is from current par. A.11.6.4))(2) The supply from the tank to the maintenance system shall be connected to the bottom of the fuel storage tank.(3) The return from the maintenance system to the fuel storage tank shall be installed as directed by the fuelmaintenance system manufacturer.(4) No connections are interconnected with the engine or its fuel supply and return piping in any way. ((This language isfrom current par. A.11.6.4))(5) No valves or other devices are added to the engine or its fuel supply and fuel return in any way. ((This language isfrom current par. A.11.6.4))

Commercial distillate fuel oils used in modern diesel engines are subject to various detrimental effects fromstorage. The origin of the crude oil, refinement processing techniques, time of year, and geographical consumptionlocation all influence the determination of fuel blend formulas. Sulfur, naturally occurring gums, waxes, soluble metallicsoaps, water, dirt, blends and temperature all contribute to the degradation of the fuel as it is handled and stored. Theseeffects begin at the time of fuel refinement and continue until consumption. Proper fuel storage is critical for engineoperation, efficiency, and longevity.Storage tanks should be kept water-free. Water contributes to steel tank corrosion and the development of

microbiological growth where fuel and water interface. This and the metals of the system provide elements that canreact with fuel to form certain gels or organic acids, resulting in clogging of filters and system corrosion.Scheduled fuel maintenance helps to reduce fuel degradation. Fuel maintenance filtration can remove contaminants

and water and maintain conditions to provide reliability and efficiency for standby fire pump engines. Fuel maintenanceand testing should begin the day of installation and first fill. In addition to an active fuel maintenance system a fuelstabilizer or other additives may be necessary to insure quality fuel for engine operation. Consult your active fuelmaintenance system supplier or fuel supplier for guidance regarding fuel additives and maintenance requirements forlong term storage.

Low fuel level. Fuel supply trouble. Signal at two-thirds tank capacity, or when active fuel maintenancesystem needs maintenance.

The characteristics of diesel fuel are changing and proper storage is becoming extremely important toinsure reliable operation of engines. Even when the proper fuel has been purchased and put into the fuel storage tanklong term reliability can not be assumed. For reasons as explained in the proposed annex text and governmentalmandated addition of various blends of bio-fuel, diesel fuel is requiring additional attention to insure reliable use in dieselengines for stand-by service.

Revise text to read as follows:Where environmental or fuel quality conditions result in degradation of the fuel while stored in the supply

tank from items such as water, micro-organisms and particulates, or destabilization, A listed active fuel maintenancesystem shall be installed to maintain fuel quality with all fuel storage tanks.

When required, The listed active fuel maintenance system shall be permanently connected to the fueltank as follows:

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Report on Proposals – June 2015 NFPA 20This entire section reads as a reactive action. It states that “Where environmental or fuel quality

conditions result [emphasis added] in degradation . . .Reactive actions are not appropriate for an installation standard and should be assigned to NFPA 25. If the intent is forthe installer to somehow make a determination that the conditions exist from the onset, then how is that determined?The committee must either explain how to determine the conditions exist for degradation and then add the word could

before “result in degradation of the fuel” or require it for all fuel storage tanks. If the problem is as pervasive as thecommittee seems to believe, then it should be a requirement for all storage tanks.

This proposal 20-181 and comment 20-90 were returned to Committee at the A2012 AssociationTechnical Meeting and/or subsequent Standards Council Meeting. In accordance with 4.7.1(d) and 4.7.2(c) of theRegulations Governing Committee Projects, it is now being processed as a Proposal for this revision cycle.

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Public Input No. 140-NFPA 20-2013 [ New Section after A.12.4.1.6 ]

A.12.4.1.4(6) The signal provided is from a common alarm and the indication of the type of trouble being experienced should be indicated on the engine.

Additional Proposed Changes

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Alarms annunciated on the controller draw immediate concern and phone calls wtihout understanding the true type of trouble. The operator needs to go to the engine to understand the type of trouble or fault.

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Submitter Full Name: KEVIN KUNKLEROrganization: CLARKE FIRE PROT PRODUCTSStreet Address:City: State: Zip:Submittal Date: Tue Jul 09 11:38:31 EDT 2013

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Public Input No. 153-NFPA 20-2013 [ New Section after A.12.7 ]

A.12.7.2.1.2 The purpose of monitoring the pressure transducer is to detect if a transducer that has drifted upwardly over time from zero. A transducer that drifts downwardly will automatically cause the fire pump to start when it drifts below the start set point.A.12.7.2.1.2.1 When the solenoid valve drain opens, the restricting orifice in the pressure sensing line will keep the pressure at the transducer near zero while the solenoid valve is open. This is the time when the transducer can be verified to be less than 10 psi.

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Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Input

Monitor diesel pressure transducers for drifting, which over time which has been a proven problem.

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Submitter Full Name: William StelterOrganization: Master Control Systems, Inc.Street Address: City: State:Zip: Submittal Date: Tue Jul 09 14:15:30 EDT 2013

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Public Input No. 25-NFPA 20-2013 [ New Section after A.12.7 ]

TITLE OF NEW CONTENT12.7.2.1.8.1 When one of the conditions monitered in 10.5.2.1.6 occurs, the controller shall either activate a visual and silenceable audible alarm and activate contacts for a remote alarm, or start the pump.A12.7.2.1.8: The purpose of monitoring pressure reading from a pressure transducer is to detect and correct a transducer that is operating outside of the expected pressure range.A.12.7.2.1.8(1) . For an electronic pressure sensor on the fire pump discharge, the preset high pressure should be set approximately 10 psi above the maximum anticipated churn discharge pressure.A.12.7.2.1.8(2) For an electronic pressure sensor on the fire pump discharge, the preset automatic start low should be set approximately 5 psi above the lowest pressure observed in the pressure sensing line during an automatic pump start.A.12.7.2.1.8(3) For an electronic pressure sensor on the fire pump suction, the preset low pressure should be set approximately 5 psi below above the minimum pump suction pressure. For an electronic pressure sensor on the fire pump discharge the preset low pressure value should be set approximately 10 psi below the pump discharge pressure at 150% of rated flow.

Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Input

See substantiation for 12.2.1.8 proposal

Related Public Inputs for This Document

Related Input RelationshipPublic Input No. 23-NFPA 20-2013 [New Section after 12.7.2.1.7]

Appendix Material for12.7.2.1.7

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Public Input No. 121-NFPA 20-2013 [ Section No. A.14.2.6.4 ]

A.14.2.6.4The test procedure is as follows:

(1) Make a visual check of the unit. If hose and nozzles are used, see that they are securely tied down. See that the hose valves are closed. If a test meter is used, the valve on the discharge side of the meter should be closed.

(2) Start the pump.

(3) Partially open one or two hose valves, or slightly open the meter discharge valve.

(4) Check the general operation of the unit. Watch for vibration, leaks (oil or water), unusual noises, and general operation. Adjust packing glands.

(5) Measure water discharge. The steps to do so are as follows:

(a) Where a test valve header is used, regulate the discharge by means of the hose valves and a selection of the nozzle tips. It will be noticed that the play pipe has a removable tip. This tip has a 1 1 ⁄ 8 in. (28.6 mm) nozzle, and when the tip is removed, the play pipe has a 1 3 ⁄ 4 in. (44.4 mm) nozzle. Hose valves should be shut off before removing or putting on the 1 1 ⁄ 8 in. (28.6 mm) tip.

(b) Where a test meter is used, regulate the discharge valve to achieve various flow readings.

(c) Important test points are at 150 percent rated capacity, rated capacity, and shutoff. Intermediate points can be taken if desired to help develop the performance curve.

(6) Record the following data at each test point (see FigureA.14.2.6.4 ):

(a) Pump rpm

(b) Suction pressure

(c) Discharge pressure

(d) Number and size of hose nozzles, pitot pressure for each nozzle, and total gpm (L/min); for test meter, simply a record of gpm (L/min)

(e) Amperes (each phase)

(f) Volts (phase to phase)

(7) Calculation of test results is as follows:

(a) Rated Speed. Determine that pump is operating at rated rpm.

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(b) Capacity. For hose valve header, using a fire stream table, determine the gpm (L/min) for each nozzle at each pitot reading. For example, 16 psi (1.1 bar) pitot pressure with 1 3 ⁄ 4 in. (44.4 mm) nozzle indicates 364 gpm (1378 L/min). Add the gpm for each hose line to determine total volume. For test meter, the total gpm (L/min) is read directly.

(c) Total Head for Horizontal Pump . Total head is the sum of the following:

i. Pressure measured by the discharge gauge at pump discharge flange

ii. Velocity head difference, pump discharge, and pump suction

velocity head= h v = V 2 /2g

iii. Gauge elevation corrections to pump centerline (plus or minus)

iv. Pressure measured by suction gauge at pump suction flange —negative value when pressure is above zero

(a) Total Head for Vertical Pump. Total head is the sum of the following:

(8) Pressure measured by the discharge gauge at pump discharge flange

(9) Velocity head at the discharge

(10) Distance to the supply water level

(11) Discharge gauge elevation correction to centerline of discharge

(12) Electrical Input. Voltage and amperes are read directly from the volt/ammeter. This reading is compared to the motor nameplate full-load amperes. The only general calculation is to determine the maximum amperes allowed due to the motor service factor. In the case of 1.15 service factor, the maximum amperes areapproximately 1.15 times motor amperes, because changes in power factor and efficiency are not considered. If the maximum amperes recorded on the test do not exceed this figure, the motor and pump will be judged satisfactory. It is most important to measure voltage and amperes accurately on each phase should the maximum amperes logged on the test exceed the calculated maximum amperes. This measurement is important because a poor power supply with low voltage will cause a high ampere reading. This condition can be corrected only by improvement in the power supply. There is nothing that can be done to the motor or the pump.

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(13) Correction to Rated Speed. For purposes of plotting, the capacity, head, and power should be corrected from the test values at test speed to the rated speed of the pump. The corrections are made as follows.

Capacity:

where:

Q 1 = capacity at test speed in gpm (L/min)Q 2 = capacity at rated speed in gpm (L/min)N 1 = test speed in rpmN 2 = rated speed in rpm

Head:

where:

H 1 = head at test speed in ft (m)H 2 = head at rated speed in ft (m)

Horsepower:

where:

hp 1 = kW (horsepower) at test speedhp 2 = kW (horsepower) at rated speed

(14) Conclusion . The final step in the test calculation is generally a plot of test points. A head-capacity curve is plotted, and an ampere-capacity curve is plotted. A study of these curves will show the performance picture of the pump as it was tested.

Figure A.14.2.6.4 Centifugal Fire Pump Acceptance Test Form. (Source: National Fire Sprinkler Association, Inc.)

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Figure A.14.2.6.4 Continued

Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Input

helpful formula.

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Submitter Full Name: DARRELL UNDERWOODOrganization: K G U LLCStreet Address: City:State: Zip: Submittal Date: Wed Jul 03 14:21:49 EDT 2013

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Public Input No. 159-NFPA 20-2013 [ Section No. A.14.2.6.4 ]

Replace Figure A.14.2.6.4 with the uploaded file.A.14.2.6.4The test procedure is as follows:

(1) Make a visual check of the unit. If hose and nozzles are used, see that they are securely tied down. See that the hose valves are closed. If a test meter is used, the valve on the discharge side of the meter should be closed.

(2) Start the pump.

(3) Partially open one or two hose valves, or slightly open the meter discharge valve.

(4) Check the general operation of the unit. Watch for vibration, leaks (oil or water), unusual noises, and general operation. Adjust packing glands.

(5) Measure water discharge. The steps to do so are as follows:

(a) Where a test valve header is used, regulate the discharge by means of the hose valves and a selection of the nozzle tips. It will be noticed that the play pipe has a removable tip. This tip has a 1 1 ⁄ 8 in. (28.6 mm) nozzle, and when the tip is removed, the play pipe has a 1 3 ⁄ 4 in. (44.4 mm) nozzle. Hose valves should be shut off before removing or putting on the 1 1 ⁄ 8 in. (28.6 mm) tip.

(b) Where a test meter is used, regulate the discharge valve to achieve various flow readings.

(c) Important test points are at 150 percent rated capacity, rated capacity, and shutoff. Intermediate points can be taken if desired to help develop the performance curve.

(6) Record the following data at each test point (see FigureA.14.2.6.4 ):

(a) Pump rpm

(b) Suction pressure

(c) Discharge pressure

(d) Number and size of hose nozzles, pitot pressure for each nozzle, and total gpm (L/min); for test meter, simply a record of gpm (L/min)

(e) Amperes (each phase)

(f) Volts (phase to phase)

(7) Calculation of test results is as follows:

(a) Rated Speed. Determine that pump is operating at rated rpm.

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(b) Capacity. For hose valve header, using a fire stream table, determine the gpm (L/min) for each nozzle at each pitot reading. For example, 16 psi (1.1 bar) pitot pressure with 1 3 ⁄ 4 in. (44.4 mm) nozzle indicates 364 gpm (1378 L/min). Add the gpm for each hose line to determine total volume. For test meter, the total gpm (L/min) is read directly.

(c) Total Head for Horizontal Pump . Total head is the sum of the following:

i. Pressure measured by the discharge gauge at pump discharge flange

ii. Velocity head difference, pump discharge, and pump suction

iii. Gauge elevation corrections to pump centerline (plus orminus)

iv. Pressure measured by suction gauge at pump suction flange — negative value when pressure is above zero

(d) Total Head for Vertical Pump. Total head is the sum of the following:

i. Pressure measured by the discharge gauge at pump discharge flange

ii. Velocity head at the discharge

iii. Distance to the supply water level

iv. Discharge gauge elevation correction to centerline of discharge

(e) Electrical Input. Voltage and amperes are read directly from the volt/ammeter. This reading is compared to the motor nameplate full-load amperes. The only general calculation is to determine the maximum amperes allowed due to the motor service factor. In the case of 1.15 service factor, the maximum amperes areapproximately 1.15 times motor amperes, because changes in power factor and efficiency are not considered. If the maximum amperes recorded on the test do not exceed this figure, the motor and pump will be judged satisfactory. It is most important to measure voltage and amperes accurately on each phase should the maximum amperes logged on the test exceed the calculated maximum amperes. This measurement is important because a poor power supply with low voltage will cause a high ampere reading. This condition can be corrected only by improvement in the power supply. There is nothing that can be done to the motor or the pump.

(f) Correction to Rated Speed. For purposes of plotting, the capacity, head, and power should be corrected from the test values at test speed to the rated speed of the pump. The corrections are made as follows.

Capacity:

where:

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Q 1 = capacity at test speed in gpm (L/min)Q 2 = capacity at rated speed in gpm (L/min)N 1 = test speed in rpmN 2 = rated speed in rpm

Head:

where:H 1 = head at test speed in ft (m)H 2 = head at rated speed in ft (m)

Horsepower:

where:hp 1 = kW (horsepower) at test speedhp 2 = kW (horsepower) at rated speed

(g) Conclusion . The final step in the test calculation is generally a plot of test points. A head-capacity curve is plotted, and an ampere-capacity curve is plotted. A study of these curves will show the performance picture of the pump as it was tested.

Figure A.14.2.6.4 Centifugal Fire Pump Acceptance Test Form. (Source:National Fire Sprinkler Association, Inc.)

Figure A.14.2.6.4 Continued

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Additional Proposed Changes

File Name Description ApprovedSignature_page.pdf Cover Sheet 20_Underwood_Fig_A.14.2.6.4.pdf Figure A.14.2.6.4

Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Input

Existing Figure is incorrect.Document should be an NFPA form as is the standard for all other documents.

Submitter Information Verification

Submitter Full Name: Darrell UnderwoodOrganization: Underwood Fire Equipment, Inc.Street Address: City: State:Zip: Submittal Date: Wed Jul 10 14:27:53 EDT 2013

Copyright Assignment

I, Darrell Underwood, hereby irrevocably grant and assign to the National Fire Protection Association (NFPA) all and full rights in copyright in this Public Input (including both the Proposed Change and the Statement of Problem and Substantiation). I understand and intend that I acquire no rights, including rights as a joint author, in any publication of the NFPA in which this Public Input in this or another similar or derivative form is used. I hereby warrant that I am the author of this Public Input and that I have full power and authority to enter into this copyright assignment.

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Public Input No. 158-NFPA 20-2013 [ Section No. C.1.2.5 ]

C.1.2.5 IEEE Publications.Institute of Electrical and Electronics Engineers, Three Park Avenue, 17th Floor, New York, NY 10016-5997.

IEEE 141, Electric Power Distribution for Industrial Plants, 1986.

IEEE 241, Electric Systems for Commercial Buildings, 1990.

IEEE 493, Recommended Practice for the Design of Reliable Industrial and Commercial Power Systems , 2007.

Anthony, M.; Arno, R.; Saba, P.S.; Schuerger, R.; Beirne, M.; "Reliability engineering applied to Critical Operations Power Systems (COPS), " Industrial and Commercial Power Systems Technical Conference (I&CPS), 2011 IEEE , vol., no. pp.1,8, 1-5 May 2011

Anthony, M.; Arno, R.; Dowling, N.; Schuerger, R., "Reliability Analysis for Power to Fire Pump Using Fault Tree and RBD," Industry Applications, IEEE Transactions on, vol.49, no.2, pp.997,1003, March-April 2013

Arno, R.G.; Stoyas, E.; Schuerger, R., "Risk Analysis for NEC Article 708 Critircal Operations Power Systems," Industry Applications Society Annual Meeting, 2009, IAS 2009, IEEE, vol., no., pp.1,7, 4-8 Oct. 2009

Arno, R.G.; Stoyas, E.; Schuerger, R., "NEC Article 708," Industry Application Magazine, IEEE, vol.17, no.1, pp.20,25, Jan.-Feb. 2011

Anthony, M.; Arno, R.; Dowling, N.; Schuerger, R., "Reliability Analysis for Power to Fire Pump Using Fault Tree and RBD," Industry Applications, IEEE Transactions on, vol.49, no.2, pp.997,1003, March-April 2013

Additional Proposed Changes

File Name Description Approved20_Neal_Dowling_proposal_IEEE_references.pdf Cover Sheet

Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Input

The Fire Protection Research Foundation has published "Guidance Document for Incorporating Risk Concepts into NFPA Codes and Standards", March 2007. The text proposed to be added to NFPA 20 supplies bibliographic referenes to works that describe how to perform risk analyses.

Submitter Information Verification

Submitter Full Name: NEAL DOWLINGOrganization: M TECHStreet Address: City:State: Zip: Submittal Date: Wed Jul 10 13:26:22 EDT 2013

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Copyright Assignment

I, NEAL DOWLING, hereby irrevocably grant and assign to the National Fire Protection Association (NFPA) all and full rights in copyright in this Public Input (including both the Proposed Change and the Statement ofProblem and Substantiation). I understand and intend that I acquire no rights, including rights as a joint author, in any publication of the NFPA in which this Public Input in this or another similar or derivative form is used. Except to the extent that I may lack authority to make an assignment of content identified above, I hereby warrant that I am the author of this Public Input and that I have full power and authority to enter into this copyright assignment.

By checking this box I affirm that I am NEAL DOWLING, and I agree to be legally bound by the above Copyright Assignment and the terms and conditions contained therein. I understand and intend that, by checking this box, I am creating an electronic signature that will, upon my submission of this form, have the same legal force and effect as a handwritten signature

Origin (from sources other than the submitter)

Institute of Electrical and Electronics Engineers, Three Park Avenue, 17th Floor, New York, NY 10016-5997

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Attachment #3: Committee Roster

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Address List No PhoneFire Pumps FIM-AAA

Chad Duffy09/16/2013

FIM-AAA

Gayle Pennel

ChairAon Fire Protection Engineering4 Overlook PointLincolnshire, IL 60069

I 4/17/1998FIM-AAA

R. T. Leicht

SecretaryState of DelawareOffice of State Fire Marshal4 Drummond DriveWilmington, DE 19808International Fire Marshals AssociationAlternate: Michael R. Moran

E 1/1/1990

FIM-AAA

Michael E. Aaron

PrincipalThe RJA Group, Inc.Rolf Jensen & Associates, Inc.600 West Fulton Street, Suite 500Chicago, IL 60661-1241Alternate: Renato R. Molina

SE 10/28/2008FIM-AAA

Timothy Ballengee

PrincipalPeerless Pump Company2500 Regency ParkwayCary, NC 27518

M 3/15/2007

FIM-AAA

James A. Beals

PrincipalJacobs Engineering1100 North Glebe Road, Suite 500Arlington, VA 22201

SE 11/2/2006FIM-AAA

Thomas R. Boccetti

PrincipalThe DuPont Company, Inc.Brandywine 72111007 Market StreetWilmington, DE 19898NFPA Industrial Fire Protection Section

U 4/3/2003

FIM-AAA

Marinus Both

PrincipalWestern States Fire Protection Companyd.b.a. Statewide Fire Protection3130 Westwood DriveLas Vegas, NV 89109Alternate: John L. Hulett

IM 7/28/2006FIM-AAA

Pat D. Brock

PrincipalOklahoma State UniversityFire Protection & Safety Technology1424 West Liberty AvenueStillwater, OK 74075Alternate: Floyd Luinstra

SE 7/1/1996

FIM-AAA

Hugh D. Castles

PrincipalEntergy Services, Inc.213 Travis TrailMadison, MS 39110Edison Electric Institute

U 10/3/2002FIM-AAA

Stephen A. Clark, Jr.

PrincipalAllianz Risk Consulting, LLC1003 Reece DriveHoschton, GA 30548Alternate: Andrew C. Higgins

I 3/4/2008

FIM-AAA

Mohammad Dadgardoust

PrincipalLeber/Rubes Inc. (LRI)2300 Yonge Street, Suite 2100Toronto, ON M4P 1E4 CanadaAlternate: A. M. Fred Leber

SE 08/09/2012FIM-AAA

Alan A. Dorini

PrincipalGulfstream Pump & Equipment, Inc.PO Box 14543Fort Lauderdale, FL 33302Alternate: Jerald G. Huff

IM 1/1/1990

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Chad Duffy09/16/2013

FIM-AAA

David B. Fuller

PrincipalFM Global1151 Boston Providence TurnpikePO Box 9102Norwood, MA 02062-9102Alternate: Stanley M. Ziobro

I 10/6/2000FIM-AAA

Dana R. Haagensen

PrincipalMassachusetts Department of Fire ServicesPO Box 1025Stow, MA 01775Alternate: Bradford T. Cronin

E 1/14/2005

FIM-AAA

David R. Hague

PrincipalLiberty Mutual Insurance20 Riverside RoadWeston, MA 02493-2231Property Casualty Insurers Association of AmericaAlternate: Joseph R. Sanford

I 3/4/2009FIM-AAA

Bill M. Harvey

PrincipalHarvey & Associates, Inc.PO Box 818Fountain Inn, SC 29644American Fire Sprinkler AssociationAlternate: Thomas G. Wellen

IM 7/20/2000

FIM-AAA

Hatem Ezzat Kheir

PrincipalKheir Group24B Anwer El Mofty StreetNasr City, Cairo, EgyptAlternate: Mohamed Ezzat Kheir

IM 7/22/1999FIM-AAA

John R. Kovacik

PrincipalUL LLC333 Pfingsten RoadNorthbrook, IL 60062-2096Alternate: Kerry M. Bell

RT 1/1/1990

FIM-AAA

Timothy J. LaRose

PrincipalHughes Associates, Inc.6 Centerpointe Drive, Suite 760LaPalma, CA 92646

SE 7/29/2005FIM-AAA

Jennifer A. McGrath

PrincipalPentair Water800 Airport RoadNorth Aurora, IL 60542

M 3/1/2011

FIM-AAA

Charles W. McKnight

PrincipalBattelle Energy AlliancePO Box 1625, Mail Stop 3425Idaho Falls, ID 83415Alternate: Garry W. Yaffe

U 7/29/2005FIM-AAA

James S. Nasby

PrincipalColumbia Engineering8210 Karlov AvenueSkokie, IL 60076-2736

SE 10/28/2008

FIM-AAA

Peter Placidus Petrus

PrincipalIndonesian Fire & Rescue FoundationIndonesian Fire Service AssociationJalan Alam Asri 1/TK. 33Jakarta, 12310 Indonesia

E 10/18/2011FIM-AAA

Milosh T. Puchovsky

PrincipalWorcester Polytechnic InstituteDepartment of Fire Protection Engineering100 Institute RoadWorcester, MA 01609

SE 8/2/2010

FIM-AAA

Jeffrey R. Roberts

PrincipalXL Global Asset Protection Services128 Twin Oaks DriveBrandon, MS 39047Alternate: Brandon W. Frakes

I 7/12/2001

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Michael A. Rothmier

PrincipalUA Joint Apprenticeship Committee LU 6699501 Elmhurst Lane, Unit AHighlands Ranch, CO 80129United Assn. of Journeymen & Apprentices of thePlumbing & Pipe Fitting IndustryAlternate: Gregory A. Bartels

L 03/05/2012FIM-AAA

Richard Schneider

PrincipalJoslyn Clark Controls2013 West Meeting StreetLancaster, SC 29720National Electrical Manufacturers AssociationAlternate: William F. Stelter

M 1/1/1990

FIM-AAA

Darrell A. Snyder

PrincipalPatterson Pump Company2129 Ayersville RoadPO Box 790Toccoa, GA 30577Hydraulic InstituteAlternate: John P. Kahren

M 4/3/2003FIM-AAA

Hansford Stewart

PrincipalXylem/A-C Fire Pump SystemsDallas Integrated Solutions10661 Newkirk StreetDallas, TX 75220Alternate: Adnan Janjua

M 10/10/1998

FIM-AAA

Jim Vanden Boogard

PrincipalCummins NPower, LLC875 Lawrence DriveDe Pere, WI 54115-3910Alternate: John Laka

M 8/5/2009FIM-AAA

Terry L. Victor

PrincipalTyco/SimplexGrinnell705 Digital Drive, Suite NLinthicum, MD 21090National Fire Sprinkler AssociationAlternate: Kenneth E. Isman

IM 10/23/2003

FIM-AAA

John Whitney

PrincipalClarke Fire Protection Products, Inc.3133 East Kemper RoadCincinnati, OH 45241

M 10/1/1996FIM-AAA

Gregory A. Bartels

AlternateSprinkler Fitters LU 669-JATC7050 Oakland Mills Road, Suite 100Columbia, MD 21046United Assn. of Journeymen & Apprentices of thePlumbing & Pipe Fitting IndustryPrincipal: Michael A. Rothmier

L 03/05/2012

FIM-AAA

Kerry M. Bell

AlternateUL LLC333 Pfingsten RoadNorthbrook, IL 60062-2096Principal: John R. Kovacik

RT 4/15/2004FIM-AAA

Bradford T. Cronin

AlternateNewport Fire Department21 West Marlborough StreetNewport, RI 02840Principal: Dana R. Haagensen

E 8/2/2010

FIM-AAA

Brandon W. Frakes

AlternateXL Global Asset Protection Services196 Shady Grove LaneAdvance, NC 27006Principal: Jeffrey R. Roberts

I 10/23/2003FIM-AAA

Andrew C. Higgins

AlternateAllianz Risk Consultants, LLC38 Kilbride DrivePinehurst, NC 28374Principal: Stephen A. Clark, Jr.

I 03/05/2012

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Chad Duffy09/16/2013

FIM-AAA

Jerald G. Huff

AlternateJ&J Fire Protection Inc.4628 North Hiatus RoadSunrise, FL 33351Principal: Alan A. Dorini

IM 10/27/2009FIM-AAA

John L. Hulett

AlternateWestern States Fire Protection Company7020 South Tucson WayCentennial, CO 80112Principal: Marinus Both

IM 1/10/2008

FIM-AAA

Kenneth E. Isman

AlternateNational Fire Sprinkler Association, Inc.40 Jon Barrett RoadPatterson, NY 12563Principal: Terry L. Victor

IM 1/1/1990FIM-AAA

Adnan Janjua

AlternateITT A-C Fire Pump Systems10661 Newkirk StreetDallas, TX 75220Principal: Hansford Stewart

M 08/09/2012

FIM-AAA

John P. Kahren

AlternateSPP Pumps, Inc.6716 Best Friend RoadNorcross, GA 30071Principal: Darrell A. Snyder

M 10/27/2009FIM-AAA

Mohamed Ezzat Kheir

AlternateKheir Group24B Anwer El Mofty StreetNasr City, Cairo, 11371 EgyptPrincipal: Hatem Ezzat Kheir

IM 10/29/2012

FIM-AAA

John Laka

AlternateCummins NPower, LLC875 Lawrence DriveDe Pere, WI 54115-3910Principal: Jim Vanden Boogard

M 7/23/2008FIM-AAA

A. M. Fred Leber

AlternateLeber/Rubes Inc. (LRI)Yonge Eglinton Center2300 Yonge Street, Suite 2100PO Box 2372Toronto, ON M4P 1E4 CanadaPrincipal: Mohammad Dadgardoust

SE 08/09/2012

FIM-AAA

Floyd Luinstra

AlternateOklahoma State University499 Cordell SouthStillwater, OK 74078Principal: Pat D. Brock

SE 10/18/2011FIM-AAA

Renato R. Molina

AlternateThe RJA Group, Inc.Rolf Jensen & Associates, Inc.14502 Greenview Drive, Suite 500Laurel, MD 20708Principal: Michael E. Aaron

SE 10/28/2008

FIM-AAA

Michael R. Moran

AlternateState of DelawareOffice of the State Fire Marshal2307 MacArthur RoadNew Castle, DE 19720International Fire Marshals AssociationPrincipal: R. T. Leicht

E 10/4/2001FIM-AAA

Joseph R. Sanford

AlternateLiberty Mutual Property Risk Engineering20 Riverside RoadWeston, MA 02493-2231Property Casualty Insurers Association of AmericaPrincipal: David R. Hague

I 8/5/2009

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Chad Duffy09/16/2013

FIM-AAA

William F. Stelter

AlternateMaster Control Systems, Inc.910 North Shore DrivePO Box 276Lake Bluff, IL 60044National Electrical Manufacturers AssociationPrincipal: Richard Schneider

M 7/1/1993FIM-AAA

Thomas G. Wellen

AlternateAmerican Fire Sprinkler Association, Inc.12750 Merit Drive, Suite 350Dallas, TX 75251Principal: Bill M. Harvey

IM 11/2/2006

FIM-AAA

Garry W. Yaffe

AlternateUS Department of EnergySavannah River SitePO Box AAiken, SC 29802Principal: Charles W. McKnight

U 7/29/2005FIM-AAA

Stanley M. Ziobro

AlternateFM Approvals743A Reynolds RoadWest Glocester, RI 02814Principal: David B. Fuller

I 3/21/2006

FIM-AAA

Edward D. Leedy

Member Emeritus2033 Butterfly Lane, CC304Naperville, IL 60563

1/1/1990FIM-AAA

James W. Nolan

Member EmeritusJames W. Nolan Company633 Florence DrivePark Ridge, IL 60068

1/1/1965

FIM-AAA

Chad Duffy

Staff LiaisonNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy, MA 02169-7471

4/18/2011

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