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Technical Committee on Water Spray Fixed Systems (WAS-AAA)

M E M O R A N D U M

DATE: August 21, 2015

TO: Principal and Alternate Members of the Technical Committee on Water Spray

Fixed Systems (WAS-AAA)

FROM: Chad Duffy, NFPA Staff Liaison

Office: (617) 984-7562 Email: [email protected]

SUBJECT: AGENDA – NFPA 15 Second Draft Meeting (Annual 2016)

Enclosed is the agenda for the Second Draft meeting for NFPA 15, Standard for Water Spray

Fixed Systems for fire Protection, which will be held via conference call/adobe connect 11:00am

to 3:00pm ET on Wednesday September 9, 2015.

Please submit requests for additional agenda items to the chair at least seven days prior to the

meeting, and notify the chair and staff liaison as soon as possible if you plan to introduce any

first revisions at the meeting.

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information on attending a meeting as a guest. Read NFPA's Regulations Governing the

Development of NFPA Standards (Section 3.3.3.3) for further information.

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See the Meeting Notice on the Document Information Page (www.nfpa.org/15next) for meeting

location details. If you have any questions, please feel free to contact Elena Carroll, Project

Administrator at 617-984-7952 or by email [email protected].

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Technical Committee on Water Spray Fixed Systems

(WAS-AAA) NFPA 15 Second Draft Meeting (Annual 2016)

Wednesday, Sept.9, 2015

11:00am – 3:00 pm ET

Conference Call/Adobe Connect

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AGENDA

Wednesday, September 9, 2015

1. Call to Order – 11:00 AM ET

2. Introductions and Attendance

3. Review Agenda

4. NFPA Staff Liaison Presentation and Review of Key Dates in Current Cycle

5. Chairman Comments

6. Approval of Previous Meeting Minutes

7. Presentation on “Flammable Vapor Mitigation” Bernard Leong, Chief Fire Protection

Engineer with Chevron Energy Technology Company

8. Task Group Reports

a. Protection of steel columns

b. Pipe stands

9. Act on Public Comments for NFPA 15

10. New business

11. Adjourn Meeting

Please submit requests for additional agenda items to the chair at least seven days prior to

the meeting.

Please notify the chair and staff liaison as soon as possible if you plan to introduce any

second revisions at the meeting.




11:00am – 3:00 pm ET


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Key Dates for the Annual 2016 Revision Cycle

Public Input Closing Date July 7, 2014

Final Date for First Draft Meeting December 12, 2014

Posting of First Draft and TC Ballot January 30, 2015

Ballots Returned By February 20, 2015

Post Final First Draft March 6, 2015

Comment Closing Date May 15, 2015

Final Date for Second Draft Meeting October 30, 2015

Posting of Second Draft and TC Ballot December 11, 2015

Ballots Returned By January 4, 2016

Posting Final Second Draft January 18, 2016

Closing Date for Notice of Intent to Make a Motion (NITMAM) February 19, 2016

Issuance of Consent Document (No NITMAMs) May 13, 2016

NFPA Annual Meeting June 13-16, 2016

Issuance of Document with NITMAM August 4, 2016

Technical Committee deadlines are in bold.




11:00am – 3:00 pm ET


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Meeting Preparation Committee members are strongly encouraged to review the published Comments prior to the

meeting and to be prepared to act on each item.

Handout materials should be submitted to the chair at least seven days prior to the meeting.

Only one posting of the comments will be made; it will be arranged in section/order and will be

pre-numbered. This will be posted to the NFPA Document information pages located at

www.nfpa.org/15next. If you have trouble accessing the website please contact Elena Carroll at

[email protected].

Mandatory Materials:

Last edition of the standard

Meeting agenda

Public input/comments

Committee Officers' Guide (Chairs)

Roberts’ Rules of Order (Chairs; An abbreviated version may be found in the

Committee Officer’s Guide)

Optional Materials:

NFPA Annual Directory

NFPA Manual of Style

Prepared committee input/comments (If applicable)

Regulations and Guiding Documents All committee members are expected to behave in accordance with the Guide for the Conduct of

Participants in the NFPA Codes and Standards Development Process.

All actions during and following the committee meetings will be governed in accordance with

the Regulations Governing the Development of NFPA Standards. Failure to comply with these

regulations could result in challenges to the standards-making process. A successful challenge on

procedural grounds could prevent or delay publication of the document.

The style of the document must comply with the Manual of Style for NFPA Technical

Committee Documents.






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General Procedures for Meetings

Use of tape recorders or other means capable of producing verbatim transcriptions of any

NFPA Committee Meeting is not permitted.

Attendance at all NFPA Committee Meetings is open. All guests must sign in and

identify their affiliation.

Participation in NFPA Committee Meetings is generally limited to committee members

and NFPA staff. Participation by guests is limited to individuals, who have received prior

approval from the chair to address the committee on a particular item, or who wish to

speak regarding public input or comments that they submitted.

The chairman reserves the right to limit the amount of time available for any

presentation.

No interviews will be allowed in the meeting room at any time, including breaks.

All attendees are reminded that formal votes of committee members will be secured by

letter ballot. Voting at this meeting is used to establish a sense of agreement, but only the

results of the formal letter ballot will determine the official action of the committee.

Note to Special Experts: Particular attention is called to Section 3.3(e) of the NFPA

Guide for the Conduct of Participants in the NFPA Codes and Standards Development

Process in the NFPA Directory. This section requires committee members to declare any

interest they may represent, other than their official designation as shown on the

committee roster. This typically occurs when a special expert is retained by and

represents another interest category on a particular subject. If such a situation exists on a

specific issue or issues, the committee member shall declare those interests to the

committee and refrain from voting on any action relating to those issues.

NEW PROCESS ACTIONS AND MOTIONS

Possible Action #1: Accept Public Comment (exactly as it is)

Action Required Sample motion

Create a Second Revision I move to create a Second Revision using PC #

______.

Possible action #2: Reject but see (revise submitted text)


Step 1 Create a Second Revision based on a

Public Comment

I move to create a Second Revision based on PC # _____with the following changes to the text . .

.

Step 2 If the revision is related to multiple PCs, respond to all of them together using the

cart function

I move to create a Second Revision based on PC # ____and incorporating PC #s _____with the

following changes to the text . . .

Possible action #3: Reject (no change to the standard)


Generate a statement (substantiation) I move to reject PC # ____ with the following

substantiation . . .

Possible Action #4: Reject but hold (new material)


Reject Public Comment for this cycle, but

save for next revision cycle

I move to reject PC # ____ but hold it for consideration during the First Draft meeting next

cycle.

Attachment #1:

Previous Meeting Minutes

TECHNICAL COMMITTEE ON WATER SPRAY FIXED SYSTEMS

First Draft meeting

LIVE MEETING + WEB MEETING

November 20, 2014

The meeting was called to order by Committee Chair Kerry M. Bell, at 8:00 am

Eastern time, November 20, 2014

Members Present: (P = Principal, A = Alternate)

Kerry M. Bell, Chair

Robert M. Gagnon, PE, Secretary, P

Luis Arango, P

Roland Asp, P

Ralph E. Bless, P

Kevin F. Carrier, P

Harvey E. Goranson, P

Scott Henderson, P

Christy J. Marsolo, P

Randall McCune, P

David A. Moore, P

E. Parks Moore, P

Thomas Multer, P

Roz Nielsen, P

Larry W. Owen, P

Richard Philbrick, P

James R. Streit, P

Jeffery Sutton, P

Michael Wojcik, P

Jarrett Zuspan, P

Edward Kadlec, A

Matt Pognant, A

Terry L. Victor, A

David R. Hague, Guest

Chad Duffy, NFPA Liaison

Self-Introductions of each member were conducted.

Minutes from the ROC meeting of November 3rd, 2010 were reviewed, and there

were no objections or corrections.

Chad Duffy reviewed the 2014 Annual Revision Cycle and provided a staff

presentation.

Public Input was addressed by the committee.

Old business and new business was addressed by the committee.

A task group was formed to study the proposed changes to NFPA 13 relative to

pipestands.(Michael Wojcik (Chair), Terry Victor, Roland Asp, Ralph Bliss, & Parks

Moore)

A task group was formed to study column protection. (Jeff Sutton (Chair), Michael

Wojcik, Roland Asp, Terry Victor, & Parks Moore)

Committee Chair Kerry Bell adjourned the meeting at 12:05 PM Eastern time.

Respectfully submitted,

Robert M. Gagnon, PE

Committee Secretary

Attachment #2: Public Comments

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Public Comment No. 5-NFPA 15-2015 [ Chapter 2 ]

Chapter 2 Referenced Publications

2.1 General.

The documents or portions thereof listed in this chapter are referenced within this standard and shall beconsidered part of the requirements of this document.

2.2 NFPA Publications.

National Fire Protection Association, 1 Batterymarch Park, Quincy, MA 02169-7471.

NFPA 13, Standard for the Installation of Sprinkler Systems, 2016 edition.

NFPA 20, Standard for the Installation of Stationary Pumps for Fire Protection, 2016 edition.

NFPA 22, Standard for Water Tanks for Private Fire Protection, 2013 edition.

NFPA 24, Standard for the Installation of Private Fire Service Mains and Their Appurtenances, 2016edition.

NFPA 25, Standard for the Inspection, Testing, and Maintenance of Water-Based Fire Protection Systems,2017 edition.

NFPA 51B, Standard for Fire Prevention During Welding, Cutting, and Other Hot Work, 2014 edition.

NFPA 70® , National Electrical Code®, 2017 edition.

NFPA 72® , National Fire Alarm and Signaling Code, 2016 edition.

NFPA 1963, Standard for Fire Hose Connections, 2014 edition.

2.3 Other Publications.

2.3.1 ASME Publications.

American Society of Mechanical Engineers ASME International , Two Park Avenue, New York, NY10016-5990.

ASME B1.20.1, Pipe Threads, General Purpose, 2013.

ASME B16.1, Gray Iron Pipe Flanges and Flanged Fittings, 2010.

ASME B16.3, Malleable Iron Threaded Fittings Classes 150 and 300, 2011.

ASME B16.4, Gray Iron Threaded Fittings Classes 125 and 250, 2011.

ASME B16.5, Pipe Flanges and Flanged Fittings, 2013.

ASME B16.9, Factory-Made Wrought Steel Buttwelding Fittings, 2012.

ASME B16.11, Forged Fittings, Socket-Welding and Threaded, 2011.

ASME B16.18, Cast Copper Alloy Solder Joint Pressure Fittings, 2012.

ASME B16.22, Wrought Copper and Copper Alloy Solder Joint Pressure Fittings, 2013.

ASME B16.25, Buttwelding Ends, 2012.

ASME B36.10M, Welded and Seamless Wrought Steel Pipe, 2004, reapproved 2010 . .

ASME B36.19, Stainless Steel Pipe, 2004(R2010) , reapproved 2010 .

Boiler and Pressure Vessel Code (BPVC), Section IX, Welding and , Brazing Qualifications , 2013 andFusing Qualifications , 2015 .

National Fire Protection Association Report http://submittals.nfpa.org/TerraViewWeb/ContentFetcher?commentPara...

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2.3.2 ASTM Publications.

ASTM International, 100 Barr Harbor Drive, Box C700, West Conshohocken, PA 19428-2959.

ASTM A53/ A53M, Standard Specification for Pipe, Steel, Black and Hot-Dipped, Zinc-Coated, Welded andSeamless, 2012.

ASTM A135/ A135M, Standard Specification for Electric-Resistance-Welded Steel Pipe, 2009, reapproved2014 .

ASTM A182/ A182M, Standard Specification for Forged or Rolled Alloy-Steel Pipe Flanges, Forged Fittings,and Valves and Parts for High-Temperature Service, 2014b.

ASTM A234/ A234M, Standard Specification for Piping Fittings of Wrought Carbon Steel and Alloy Steel forModerate and High Temperature Service, 2014.

ASTM A312/ A312M, Standard Specification for Seamless Welded and Heavily Cold Worked AusteniticStainless Steel Pipes, 2014 2015 .

ASTM A536 , Standard Specification for Ductile Iron Castings, 2009 2014 .

ASTM A795/A795M, Standard Specification for Black and Hot-Dipped Zinc-Coated (Galvanized) Weldedand Seamless Steel Pipe for Fire Protection Use, 2013.

ASTM B75/ B75M, Standard Specification for Seamless Copper Tube, 2011.

ASTM B88, Standard Specification for Seamless Copper Water Tube, 2009 2014 .

ASTM B251, Standard Specification for General Requirements for Wrought Seamless Copper andCopper-Alloy Tube, 2010.

ASTM D323, Standard Test Method for Vapor Pressure of Petroleum Products (Reid Method), 2008,reapproved 2014 .

2.3.3 AWS Publications.

American Welding Society, 8669 N. W. 36 Street, #130, Miami, FL 33166-6672.

AWS A5.8/A5.8M, Specification for Filler Metals for Brazing and Braze Welding, 2011.

AWS B2.1/B2.1M , Specification for Welding Procedures and Performance Qualification, 2014.

AWS B2.2/B.2.2M, Standard for Brazing Procedure and Performance Qualification, 2010.

2.3.4 IEEE Publications.

IEEE, Three Park Avenue, 17th Floor, New York, NY 10016-5997.

IEEE / SI-10, American National Standard For Metric Practice, 2012.

IEEE C2, National Electrical Safety Code, 2012.

2.3.5 Other Publications.

Merriam-Webster’s Collegiate Dictionary, 11th edition, Merriam-Webster, Inc., Springfield, MA, 2003.

2.4 References for Extracts in Mandatory Sections.

NFPA 13, Standard for the Installation of Sprinkler Systems, 2016 edition.

NFPA 25, Standard for the Inspection, Testing, and Maintenance of Water-Based Fire Protection Systems,2017 edition.

NFPA 30, Flammable and Combustible Liquids Code, 2015 edition.

Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Comment

Updated SDO names, standard names, numbers, and editions.

Related Item

First Revision No. 1-NFPA 15-2014 [Chapter 2]

Submitter Information Verification

Submitter Full Name: Aaron Adamczyk

Organization: [ Not Specified ]


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Submittal Date: Sat May 02 21:54:20 EDT 2015


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Public Comment No. 6-NFPA 15-2015 [ Section No. 2.3.2 ]

2.3.2 ASTM Publications.

ASTM International, 100 Barr Harbor Drive, Box C700, West Conshohocken, PA 19428-2959.

ASTM A53M, Standard Specification for Pipe, Steel, Black and Hot-Dipped, Zinc-Coated, Welded andSeamless, 2012.

ASTM A135M, Standard Specification for Electric-Resistance-Welded Steel Pipe, 2014.

ASTM A182M, Standard Specification for Forged or Rolled Alloy-Steel Pipe Flanges, Forged Fittings, andValves and Parts for High-Temperature Service, 2014b.

ASTM A234M, Standard Specification for Piping Fittings of Wrought Carbon Steel and Alloy Steel forModerate and High Temperature Service, 2014.

ASTM A312M, Standard Specification for Seamless Welded and Heavily Cold Worked Austenitic StainlessSteel Pipes, 2014.

ASTM A536 , Standard Specification for Ductile Iron Castings, 2009 1984 (2014) .

ASTM A795/A795M, Standard Specification for Black and Hot-Dipped Zinc-Coated (Galvanized) Weldedand Seamless Steel Pipe for Fire Protection Use, 2013.

ASTM B75M, Standard Specification for Seamless Copper Tube, 2011.

ASTM B88, Standard Specification for Seamless Copper Water Tube, 2009.

ASTM B251, Standard Specification for General Requirements for Wrought Seamless Copper andCopper-Alloy Tube, 2010.

ASTM D323, Standard Test Method for Vapor Pressure of Petroleum Products (Reid Method), 2014.


Standard number was missing and date needs updating

Related Item

First Revision No. 1-NFPA 15-2014 [Chapter 2]


Submitter Full Name: MARCELO HIRSCHLER

Organization: GBH INTERNATIONAL

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Submittal Date: Mon May 04 16:31:18 EDT 2015


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3.3.2* Combustible Liquid.

Any liquid that has a closed-cup flash point at or above 100°F (37.8°C), as determined by the appropriatetest procedures and apparatus set forth in Section 4 . 4 of NFPA 30. Combustible liquids are classifiedaccording to Section 4.3 of NFPA 30. [ 30, 2015]


Definitions cannot contain requirements based on other codes, standards or regulations and the requirements must be in the body of the standard, per the NFPA Manual of Style. The committee's response that the definition proposed cannot be enforced is correct and that is the point: NFPA definitions are not enforceable, in accordance with NFPA regulations. A change in NFPA 30 would not solve the NFPA 15 issue. The enforceable part of this definition needs to be in the body of NFPA 15. This should not be an extract from NFPA 30 but needs to be resolved within NFPA 15.

Related Public Comments for This Document

Related Comment Relationship

Public Comment No. 9-NFPA 15-2015 [New Section after 4.4]

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Public Input No. 25-NFPA 15-2014 [Section No. 3.3.2]




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3.3.11* Flammable Liquid.

Any liquid that has a closed-cup flash point below 100°F (37.8°C), as determined by the appropriate testprocedures and apparatus set forth in Section 4 .4 of NFPA 30, and a Reid vapor pressure that does notexceed an absolute pressure of 40 psi (276 kPa) at 100°F (37.8°C), as determined by ASTM D323,Standard Test Method for Vapor Pressure of Petroleum Products (Reid Method) . Flammable liquids areclassified according to Section 4.3 of NFPA 30. [ 30, 2015]


Definitions cannot contain requirements based on other codes, standards or regulations and the requirements must be in the body of the standard, per the NFPA Manual of Style. The committee's response that the definition proposed cannot be enforced is correct and that is the point: NFPA definitions are not enforceable, in accordance with NFPA regulations. A change in NFPA 30 would not solve the NFPA 15 issue. The enforceable part of this definition needs to be in the body of NFPA 15. This should not be an extract from NFPA 30 but needs to be resolved within NFPA 15.



Public Comment No. 9-NFPA 15-2015 [New Section after 4.4]

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Public Comment No. 9-NFPA 15-2015 [ New Section after 4.4 ]

4.5 Flammable and combustible liquids.

4.5.1 The test procedures and apparatus to assess whether a liquid is a flammable or combustible liquid areset forth in Section 4.4 of NFPA 30.

4.5.2 The Reid vapor pressure shall not exceed an absolute pressure of 40 psi (276 kPa) at 100°F(37.8°C), as determined by ASTM D323, Standard Test Method for Vapor Pressure of Petroleum Products(Reid Method).

4.5.3 Flammable and combustible liquids shall be classified according to Section 4.3 of NFPA 30.


This added section resolves the issue of the definitions within Chapter 3 that contain requirements coming from NFPA 30. It contains all the requirements needed by NFPA 15.



Public Comment No. 7-NFPA 15-2015 [Section No. 3.3.2]

Public Comment No. 8-NFPA 15-2015 [Section No. 3.3.11]

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Public Comment No. 10-NFPA 15-2015 [ New Section after 5.1.2.3 ]

5.1.2.4

Component parts for which a listing is unavailable may be utilized if their required performance individuallyand within assembly is analyzed and verified by a fire protection engineer or other qualified designprofessional acceptable to the authority having jurisdiction, provided the unlisted component is also found tobe acceptable to the authority having jurisdiction .


This was originally submitted as Public Input #18. The Technical Committee did not use this for any First Revisions and reasoned that the equivalency section could be used to accomplish the goal. But this isn’t about equivalency. It is about whether a product functions or serves a purpose outside of its listing. For example, jurisdictions are allowing the use of a sidewall sprinkler beneath an open joist deck where the listing was only for smooth ceilings. Such use outside the listing requires judgment (and liability) from a design professional and approval by the AHJ.

Also, Section 5.1.2.1 was noted by the Technical Committee as addressing this issue, which it does not. Section 5.1.2.1 addresses components that don’t need to be listed; this public comment is about using components that are part of the system operation.

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Public Input No. 18-NFPA 15-2014 [New Section after 5.1.2.3]


Submitter Full Name: Jim Muir

Organization: Building Safety Division, Clark County, WA

Affilliation: NFPA's Building Code Development Committee (BCDC)

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Submittal Date: Tue May 05 13:45:40 EDT 2015


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Public Comment No. 4-NFPA 15-2015 [ Sections 7.4.3.4, 7.4.3.5 ]

Sections 7.4.3.4, 7.4.3.5

7.4.3.4 * Vertical Structural Steel.

Vertical structural steel members shall be protected by nozzles and piping of such size and arrangement asto systems designed specifically to protect such members, that incorporate fixed water systems oradditional discharge deivces as an extension of an overhead system and discharge a net rate of not less

than 0.25 gpm/ft2 [10.2 (L/min)/m2] over the wetted area. (See Overspray from overhead sprinklers toprotect columns shall not be permitted.

A.7.4.3.4 The design of vertical structural steel protection systems should take into account factors suchas the shape of the column, wetting of the lower sprinklers, obstructions, and type of discharge devices. The locations of the nozzles should preferably be on alternate sides of the vertical structural steel.

7.4.3.4.1 Nozzles shall be directed toward the wetted surface of the column (see Figure 7.4.3.1

.)

7.4.3. 4.2 Distances between discharge devices vertically shall not exceed 10 ft. on center with eachalternate nozzle located on the opposite side of the column.

A.7.4.3.4.2 Nozzles should be located on opposite sides of the column with every other nozzle on theopposite side. This will result in an arrangement such than the nozzles on one side alone will be 20 ft.apart, but all nozzles 10 ft. apart.

7.4.3.4.3 Nozzles shall extend the full length of the column, or until a fire rated barrier is reached.

7.4.3.4.4 Discharge devices for the protection of columns within the remote area of the overheadsprinkler systems shall be included in the calculations for the overhead system. [409: 5 .6.3.5]

7.4.3.5

Vertical structural steel that has been encased in fire-resistant insulating material to provide a level of fireresistance acceptable to the authority having jurisdiction shall not require water sprayprotection.

A.7.4.3.5 Fire resistance should be obtained using listed materials and methods and provide afire-resistive rating of not less than 2 hours. In the event that the vertical structural steel member isprotected by fire-resistant materials, the fire-resistant materials should be of a type that resists damagefrom discharge of the fixed fire protection system.

Additional Proposed Changes

File Name Description Approved

Steel_Column_Protection_Proposal_r5.docx Proposed Changes for Nozzle Location


NFPA 15 currently provides no guidance on where to locate the spray nozzles when protecting vertical steel columns with water spray. This proposal would do that.

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Public Input No. 15-NFPA 15-2014 [New Section after 7.4.3.4]


Submitter Full Name: JEFFERY SUTTON

Organization: GLOBAL RISK CONSULTANTS CORPOR

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Steel Column Protection – Nozzle Placement Task Group

7.4.3.4 Vertical Structural Steel. Vertical structural steel members shall be protected by systems designed

specifically to protect such members, that incorporate fixed water systems or additional discharge devices as an

extension of an overhead system and discharge a net rate of not less than 0.25 gpm/ft^2 [ 10.2(L/min)/m^2] over

the wetted area. Overspray from overhead sprinklers to protect columns shall not be permitted.

A.7.4.3.4 The design of vertical structural steel protection systems should take into account factors such as the

shape of the column, wetting of the lower sprinklers, obstructions, and type of discharge device. The locations of

the nozzles should preferably be on alternate sides of the vertical structural steel.

7.4.3.4.1 Nozzles shall be directed toward the wetted surface of the column (see Figure 7.4.3.1)

7.4.3.4.2 Distances between discharge devices vertically shall not exceed 10 ft. on center with each alternate

nozzle located on the opposite side of the column.

A.7.4.3.4.2 Nozzles should be located on opposite sides of the column with every other nozzle on the opposite

side. This will result in an arrangement such than the nozzles on one side alone will be 20 ft. apart, but all nozzles

10 ft. apart.

7.4.3.4.3 Nozzles shall extend the full length of the column, or until a fire rated barrier is reached.

7.4.3.4.4 Discharge devices for the protection of columns within the remote area of the overhead sprinkler

systems shall be included in the calculations for the overhead system. [409: 5.6.3.5]

7.4.3.5 Vertical structural steel that has been encased in fire-resistant insulating material to provide a level of fire

resistance acceptable to the authority having jurisdiction shall not require water spray protection.

A.7.4.3.5 Fire resistance should be obtained using listed materials and methods and provide a fire-resistive rating

of not less than 2 hours. In the event that the vertical structural steel member is protected by fire-resistant

materials, the fire-resistant materials should be of a type that resists damage from discharge of the fixed fire

protection system.

Public Comment No. 11-NFPA 15-2015 [ Section No. 8.2.1.2 ]

8.2.1.2

Deviation from approved plans shall require written permission of the authority by the designprofessional of the revised plans and approval by the authority having jurisdiction.


This submits the revision proposed by Public Input #20. The Technical Committee did not use Public Input #20 in a First Revision and reasoned that not every project would have a design professional. We believe there would be almost all projects involving a water spray fixed system would be designed and installed with a design professional. Section 1.1.2 requires “Water spray fixed systems shall be specifically designed to provide for effective fire control, extinguishment, prevention, or exposure protection.” Somebody must design the system. It may not be a “registered design professional” as required by some codes, but it most likely will be a NICET certified design professional, an example of an acceptable certification credentialing the design professional.

The reason for Public Input #20 is highlighted by Annex A to section 1.1.2 which further states “The design of specific systems can vary considerably, depending on the nature of the hazard and the basic purposes of protection. Because of these variations and the wide choice in the characteristics of spray nozzles, these systems should be competently designed, installed, and maintained. It should be essential that their limitations, as well as their capabilities, be thoroughly understood by the designer...” Clearly, a field change in the approved design could significantly impair the performance of the system. This proposed change intends to protect the integrity of the design of the system.

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Public Input No. 20-NFPA 15-2014 [Section No. 8.2.1.2]


Submitter Full Name: Jim Muir

Organization: Building Safety Division, Clark County, WA

Affilliation: NFPA's Building Code Development Committee (BCDC)

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Submittal Date: Tue May 05 13:51:53 EDT 2015


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Public Comment No. 12-NFPA 15-2015 [ New Section after 10.4.3.2.3 ]

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Replace 10.4.3.2.3 with the following statement, and move 10.4.3.2.3 to a 10.4.3.2.4

Choke the system isolation valve, until the most remote nozzle pressure reading corresponds with thehydraulic calculations most remote nozzle pressure. Record the pressure at the system actuation valve, itmust correspond or be less than the hydraulic calculations.


Just checking the most remote nozzle pressure is not sufficient because most deluge systems are hydraulically calculated with supplementary protection with monitors or hose streams. Therefore, if the system is tested without the activation of the supplementary fire water flow, the pressure will obviously be higher and give the AHJ a false sense that the system complies with the hydraulic calculations. Choking the valve to meet the hydraulic calculations will ensure that the fixed water spray system can delivery sufficient fire water when other appurtenances are simultaneously in use.



Public Comment No. 13-NFPA 15-2015 [New Section after 10.4.3.2.3]

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Public Input No. 12-NFPA 15-2014 [Section No. 10.4.3.2.3]


Submitter Full Name: BERNARD LEONG

Organization: CHEVRON ENERGY TECHNOLOGY COMP

Affilliation: Fire Protection Engineering Team

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Submittal Date: Wed May 06 16:31:21 EDT 2015


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Public Comment No. 13-NFPA 15-2015 [ New Section after 10.4.3.2.3 ]

TITLE OF NEW CONTENT

10.4.3.2.3

Change this statement to 10.4.3.2.4


Propose 10.4.3.2.3 to be used for testing deluge system to correspond with the hydraulic calculations.



Public Comment No. 12-NFPA 15-2015 [New Section after 10.4.3.2.3] Move the existing statement down

Related Item

Public Input No. 13-NFPA 15-2014 [Section No.10.4.3.2.4]


Submitter Full Name: BERNARD LEONG

Organization: CHEVRON ENERGY TECHNOLOGY COMP

Affilliation: Fire Protection Engineering Team

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Submittal Date: Wed May 06 17:07:43 EDT 2015


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Attachment #3: Committee Roster

Address List No PhoneWater Spray Fixed Systems WAS-AAA

Chad Duffy08/20/2015

WAS-AAA

Kerry M. Bell

ChairUL LLC333 Pfingsten RoadNorthbrook, IL 60062-2096Alternate: Jeff Hebenstreit

RT 4/15/2004WAS-AAA

Robert M. Gagnon

SecretaryGagnon Engineering2660 Daisy RoadWoodbine, MD 21797

SE 7/1/1993

WAS-AAA

Luis F. Arango

PrincipalGlobal Asset Protection Services21707 Shallow Glen LaneKaty, TX 77450Alternate: Kenneth W. Linder

I 08/09/2012WAS-AAA

Roland A. Asp

PrincipalNational Fire Sprinkler Association, Inc.40 Jon Barrett RoadPatterson, NY 12563-2164National Fire Sprinkler AssociationContractor/InstallerAlternate: Edward F. Kadlec

IM 07/29/2013

WAS-AAA

Ralph E. Bless, Jr.

PrincipalTelgian Corporation900 Circle 75 Parkway, Suite 680Atlanta, GA 30339-3084Alternate: Tracey D. Bellamy

SE 10/27/2009WAS-AAA

Kevin F. Carrier

PrincipalMiami-Dade Fire Rescue DepartmentFire Prevention DivisionFire Engineering & Water Supply Bureau11805 SW 26th Street, Suite 150Miami, FL 33175

E 7/14/2004

WAS-AAA

Gary A. Fadorsen

PrincipalPyrotech International Inc.1980 Stony Hill RoadPO Box 76Hinckley, OH 44233

IM 7/1/1996WAS-AAA

Brian E. Fisher

PrincipalRoad Sprinkler Fitters LU 6693907 Woodside DriveRichmond, IN 47374United Assn. of Journeymen & Apprentices of thePlumbing & Pipe Fitting IndustryAlternate: Gregory A. Bartels

L 08/09/2012

WAS-AAA

Harvey E. Goranson

PrincipalUT-Batelle at Oak Ridge National Lab1 Bethel Valley Road, MS6424PO Box 2008Oak Ridge, TN 37831

U 1/1/1988WAS-AAA

Scott D. Henderson

PrincipalFireman’s Fund Insurance Company7 Hilltop Farm RoadAuburn, MA 01501-3325Alternate: Robert V. Scholes

I 7/14/2004

WAS-AAA

James M. Maddry

PrincipalJames M. Maddry, P.E.3680 Foxfire PlaceMartinez, GA 30907

SE 1/1/1991WAS-AAA

Christy J. Marsolo

PrincipalTyco/SimplexGrinnell13500 Darice Parkway, Suite AStrongville, OH 44149Alternate: Terry L. Victor

M 1/1/1992

1



WAS-AAA

Randall A. McCune

PrincipalTri-State Fire Protection, Inc.10577 Oak Grove RoadNewburgh, IN 47630

IM 3/1/2011WAS-AAA

David A. Moore, Jr.

PrincipalGlendale Fire Department30 Village SquareGlendale, OH 45246

E 10/6/2000

WAS-AAA

E. Parks Moore

PrincipalS & S Sprinkler Company, LLCPO Box 7453Mobile, AL 36670American Fire Sprinkler AssociationAlternate: John F. Viola

IM 11/2/2006WAS-AAA

Thomas L. Multer

PrincipalReliable Automatic Sprinkler Company, Inc.1470 Smith Grove RoadLiberty, SC 29657-4305National Fire Sprinkler AssociationManufacturerAlternate: Michael J. Bosma

M 1/18/2001

WAS-AAA

Roz Nielsen

PrincipalBC Hydro6911 Southpoint DriveBurnaby, BC V3N 4X8 Canada

U 10/27/2009WAS-AAA

Thomas A. Noble

PrincipalCity of Henderson, Building & Fire Safety10029 Floragold CourtLas Vegas, NV 89147-7726

E 3/21/2006

WAS-AAA

Larry W. Owen

PrincipalDooley Tackaberry, Inc.1515 West 13th StreetPO Box 9700Deer Park, TX 77536Alternate: Darren Lee Hance

IM 10/1/1999WAS-AAA

Justin A. Perry

PrincipalDominion701 East Cary, 4th FloorRichmond, VA 23219-3927Edison Electric InstituteAlternate: Bruce J. Curatola

U 04/08/2015

WAS-AAA

Richard Philbrick

PrincipalShell Oil CompanyShell Technology Center Houston3333 Highway 6 SouthHouston, TX 77082-3101American Petroleum InstituteAlternate: James A. Masingh

U 08/11/2014WAS-AAA

Matt Pognant

PrincipalLiberty Mutual Property2725 Ivy Brook LaneBuford, GA 30519Alternate: Michael W. Hembree

I 8/5/2009

WAS-AAA

Edward A. Ramirez

PrincipalChicago Bridge Iron Company20810 South Blue Hyacinth DriveCypress, TX 77433-6700

SE 4/17/2002WAS-AAA

James R. Streit

PrincipalLos Alamos National LaboratoryPO Box 1663, Mail Stop K493Los Alamos, NM 87545

U 7/1/1994

WAS-AAA

Jeffery W. Sutton

PrincipalGlobal Risk Consultants Corporation350 Highway 7, Suite 220Excelsior, MN 55331-3170

SE 7/28/2006

2



WAS-AAA

Dennis W. Taylor

PrincipalWorleyParsons, Inc.Southwest OfficePO Box 271787Houston, TX 77277-1787Alternate: Lawrence H. Cook

SE 1/18/2001WAS-AAA

Michael J. Wojcik

PrincipalJENSEN HUGHES668 North 44th Street, Suite 204WPhoenix, AZ 85008-6585Alternate: Jeffrey S. Grove

SE 08/11/2014

WAS-AAA

Jarrett Zuspan

PrincipalState of Alaska Department of Public SafetyDivision of Fire & Life Safety13441 Spenolove DriveAnchorage, AK 99516

E 3/1/2011WAS-AAA

Gregory A. Bartels

AlternateSprinkler Fitters LU 669-JATC7050 Oakland Mills Road, Suite 100Columbia, MD 21046United Assn. of Journeymen & Apprentices of thePlumbing & Pipe Fitting IndustryPrincipal: Brian E. Fisher

L 08/09/2012

WAS-AAA

Tracey D. Bellamy

AlternateTelgian Corporation900 Circle 75 Parkway, Suite 680Atlanta, GA 30339-3084Principal: Ralph E. Bless, Jr.


Michael J. Bosma

AlternateThe Viking Corporation210 North Industrial Park RoadHastings, MI 49058National Fire Sprinkler AssociationManufacturerPrincipal: Thomas L. Multer

M 4/17/2001

WAS-AAA

Lawrence H. Cook

AlternateWorleyParsons, Inc.2520 Wheeler StreetHouston, TX 77004Principal: Dennis W. Taylor


Bruce J. Curatola

AlternateCalpine Corporation9311 Bay Area BoulevardPasadena, TX 77507Edison Electric InstitutePrincipal: Justin A. Perry

U 04/08/2015

WAS-AAA

Jeffrey S. Grove

AlternateJENSEN HUGHES376 East Warm Springs Road, Suite 210Las Vegas, NV 89119Principal: Michael J. Wojcik

SE 11/2/2006WAS-AAA

Darren Lee Hance

AlternateDooley Tackaberry, Inc.1515 West 13th StreetDeer Park, TX 77536Principal: Larry W. Owen

IM 10/23/2013

WAS-AAA

Jeff Hebenstreit

AlternateUL LLC484 Tamarach DriveEdwardsville, IL 62025-5246Underwriters Laboratories Inc.Principal: Kerry M. Bell

RT 08/11/2014WAS-AAA

Michael W. Hembree

AlternateLiberty Mutual Insurance Company1986 Will James RoadRockford, IL 61109-4851Principal: Matt Pognant

I 04/08/2015

3



WAS-AAA

Edward F. Kadlec

AlternateC. L. Doucette, Inc.3610 South Morgan StreetChicago, IL 60609-1588National Fire Sprinkler AssociationContractor/InstallerPrincipal: Roland A. Asp

IM 08/09/2012WAS-AAA

Kenneth W. Linder

AlternateSwiss Re2 Waterside Crossing, Suite 200Windsor, CT 06095-1588Principal: Luis F. Arango

I 1/1/1987

WAS-AAA

James A. Masingh

AlternateChevron Energy Technology CompanySafety Technology Unit3901 Briarpark Drive, BP552Houston, TXAmerican Petroleum InstitutePrincipal: Richard Philbrick

U 08/11/2014WAS-AAA

Robert V. Scholes

AlternateFireman's Fund Insurance Company16200 Pacific Highway, Unit 26Lake Oswego, OR 97034Principal: Scott D. Henderson

I 7/14/2004

WAS-AAA

Terry L. Victor

AlternateTyco/SimplexGrinnell705 Digital Drive, Suite NLinthicum, MD 21090-2267Principal: Christy J. Marsolo

M 1/1/1989WAS-AAA

John F. Viola

Alternate10 Chestnut Hill RoadSouth Hadley, MA 01075American Fire Sprinkler AssociationPrincipal: E. Parks Moore

IM 08/02/2010

WAS-AAA

Chad Duffy

Staff LiaisonNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy, MA 02169-7471

4/18/2011

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