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THE CHALLENGES OF ROMA INCLUSION – FOCUSING ON RESULTS WITH RELEVANT DATA
Andrey Ivanov, Senior Advisor, UNDP BRCNovember 2012
Andrey Ivanov, UNDP: The challenges of Roma inclusion – focusing on results with relevant data. November 2012
Acknowledgements
This presentation summarizes the result of the work of a whole team involved in UNDP’s Roma related work (in alphabetic order): Christian Brüggemann, Niall O’Higgins, Balazs Horvath, Andrey Ivanov, Justin Kagan, Jaroslav Kling, Angela Kocze, Dotcho Mihaylov, Daniel Skobla, Tatjana Peric, and Ilona Tomova. The data come primarily from The regional Roma survey 2011 supported by the European
Union (DG Regional Policy), implemented by UNDP and the World Bank and administered by IPSOS, Serbia and
The regional Roma survey 2004, supported by UNDP and administered by BBSS-Gallup, Bulgaria, TARKI, Hungary and Focus, Czech Republic.
The data sets and the research papers based on the data available from the UNDP website: http://europeandcis.undp.org/ourwork/roma
1. General considerations
Andrey Ivanov, UNDP: The challenges of Roma inclusion – focusing on results with relevant data. November 2012
Defining the target
Who are the Roma? Apparently a simple question but the answer differs depending on the approach you take◦ Research (historical or ethnological)◦ Pragmatic (policy-driven)
Opinions vary but at the end, if you want clear results planned, matched by resources and monitored. For that you need◦ Data on how many people you target◦ The unit cost of “a result” in a specific area◦ Data on externalities (positive and negative)◦ Time-series and baselines to see the progress (if any)
Unless you have all this, ◦ Mainstreaming Roma inclusion in national policies is a myth◦ Results-oriented reporting becomes a poetry (a philological
task)
Andrey Ivanov, UNDP: The challenges of Roma inclusion – focusing on results with relevant data. November 2012
A few uncomfortable questions…Why, after massive investment in Roma inclusion in the
last decade, so many Roma prefer to leave their country of origin and move westwards?
What has been the impact of the funds devoted to Roma inclusion? Where has the money gone?
None of those questions has a decent answer because:• The outcomes of inclusion are unclear and
unmeasurable – which makes them questionable even if they are real
• Interventions are often just nominally devoted to improving the situation of Roma
• The outputs of individual interventions and even the inputs are vague and difficult to account for
Keeping the issues vague makes them potentially fake
Andrey Ivanov, UNDP: The challenges of Roma inclusion – focusing on results with relevant data. November 2012
Three myths about data on Roma1. There is no data, so we don’t know• The truth: there is a lot of data, we simply don’t
know how to use it
2. There is no need of data because we know how bad it is anyway• The truth: it is important to know not just how
bad it is – but most of all, why?
3. We might need it but it can’t be collected because of legal constraints and because of the vagueness of the ‘Roma universe’
• The truth: indeed, it is difficult (if it were not, it would have been done). But it is legally possible to do and necessary for policy formulation
Andrey Ivanov, UNDP: The challenges of Roma inclusion – focusing on results with relevant data. November 2012
Cracking the contradictions
Explicitly define the policy purpose◦Monitoring of what determines
monitoring how◦Monitoring how determines what kind
of data◦What kind of data determines how to collect it
Clearly define who is the target◦All Roma (whatever that means)?◦Vulnerable Roma?◦Vulnerable anyone?
The answers to those questions are highly policy relevant and thus – politically loaded
Andrey Ivanov, UNDP: The challenges of Roma inclusion – focusing on results with relevant data. November 2012
Defining the target: Possible optionsSelf-identification (asking people, “Are you Roma?”)
◦Convenient and politically safe (nothing is imposed on the respondent)…
◦…but doesn’t yield relevant data because of the vagueness of the question triggering additional ones in respondents’ minds, like If yes, does it mean I am not Romanian, Bulgarian,
Slovak? Why do they ask – maybe to frame me?
External (‘imposed’) identification◦ By non-Roma – verges on segregationist attitudes◦ By Roma – “you may not know who we are – but we do”
Combined (multi-stage approach) – used in the surveys of UNDP (2004 and 2011) and of FRA (2011)
Andrey Ivanov, UNDP: The challenges of Roma inclusion – focusing on results with relevant data. November 2012
Going beyond ethnic identityBe pragmatic - don’t be obsessed by unanswerable
questions like “Who’s Roma?”◦ But don’t dilute the task of Roma inclusion through general
“inclusive interventions” that nominally are ethnically neutral but in reality are structurally exclusive for certain groups
Give priority to socio-economic status◦ But still keep ethnic identity and specifics in sight – explicit
but not exclusive focus of interventionsStick to territorial characteristics driven approach
◦ Most of the vulnerable Roma live territorially in separate (segregated) communities
◦ Territorial mapping of those communities is possible◦ With a detailed map of Roma-dominated communities, one can
target the entire area – and thus reach disproportionately the Roma
You will never reach all Roma – but it’s sufficient to reach most of those that need to be reached
Andrey Ivanov, UNDP: The challenges of Roma inclusion – focusing on results with relevant data. November 2012
The possible data sources
Regular population censuses Sample based surveys (national household budget
surveys, labor force surveys, EU-SILC, LSMS, MICS, sociological surveys, etc.)
Administrative registries (incl. local administrations) Line ministries registries (in particular, Ministry of
Education and Ministry of Health) and special agencies registries (Health insurance institute, National social insurance institute)
Anonymous surveys conducted on the spot by service providers (labor offices, hospitals)
Data collected at the community levelEach of those sources yields different information. You should define what do you need the data for first
Andrey Ivanov, UNDP: The challenges of Roma inclusion – focusing on results with relevant data. November 2012
The purpose determines the data
Monitoring and evaluation of National Roma Integration Strategies ◦ Need data on the aggregate progress EU-wide comparable
national representative surveys can serve the need◦ But defining “representative of what and who” – a matter of
political compromise Monitoring and evaluation of national and local Roma
Inclusion Action Plans ◦ Need quantifiable objectives and targets territorially-focused
mapping is more appropriate◦ The challenge as regards “representative of what and who” less
acute Monitoring and evaluation of individual interventions
◦ Need project outputs and outcome level data data generation should be integrated into the project cycle
◦ “What” and “who” is clear (addressed in the project formulation)The triple purpose of using data: to know the status, so that we define and quantify the objectives and monitor progress vis-à-vis a baseline
2. A glimpse of the overall status
Andrey Ivanov, UNDP: The challenges of Roma inclusion – focusing on results with relevant data. November 2012
The UNDP/WB and FRA regional surveys: the best game in town
Provide quantified and comparable picture of the current situation of living conditions of Roma in the EU and non-EU countries (what is the status)◦ Based on this, they send a message to policy-makers,
Illustrate the dynamics over time of some basic indicators (what has changed since 2004)◦ …to provide the ground for progress evaluation,
Suggest possible correlations and causalities (what drives the status)◦ …to help answer the “why this status?” question
Inform policymakers on possible priorities◦ …to suggest “what can be done” to achieve change
Andrey Ivanov, UNDP: The challenges of Roma inclusion – focusing on results with relevant data. November 2012
What does the survey provide?An opportunity to observe fundamental changes
in the status (but not short-term fluctuations) A tool for evaluating the National Roma
Integration Strategies (but not the local level inclusion plans)
Comparative perspective – the survey contains a block of questions identical to the one conducted in 2004 by UNDP that provides a base-line for the Decade of Roma Inclusion progress assessment
Caveats:◦ Still a sample survey◦ Expensive, provides data on “Roma vulnerable to
marginalization” – and not on “Roma in general”
Andrey Ivanov, UNDP: The challenges of Roma inclusion – focusing on results with relevant data. November 2012
Pre-school attendance determines future educational progress
UNDP/ WB/EC regional Roma survey 2011
Notice the distance from the national averages!
Andrey Ivanov, UNDP: The challenges of Roma inclusion – focusing on results with relevant data. November 2012
Lower secondary education: most countries have made progress
UNDP/ WB/EC regional Roma survey 2011; UNDP 2004 survey
It’s useful having a baseline…
Andrey Ivanov, UNDP: The challenges of Roma inclusion – focusing on results with relevant data. November 2012
Challenges in secondary education are more acute than in primary
Gross enrollment rates of Roma and their non-
Roma neighbors in FYR
Macedonia in compulsory
education (7-15) differ
substantively from those in
upper-secondary education (16-
19)
UNDP/ WB/EC regional Roma survey 2011
Andrey Ivanov, UNDP: The challenges of Roma inclusion – focusing on results with relevant data. November 2012
Continuity of education is a burning issue
UNDP/ WB/EC regional Roma survey 2011
Serbia illustrates the common pattern that transition from primary to secondary level of school is critical
Andrey Ivanov, UNDP: The challenges of Roma inclusion – focusing on results with relevant data. November 2012
Regardless “hard” or “soft” – segregation is still segregation
UNDP/ WB/EC regional Roma survey 2011
The graph shows the share of Roma kids attending school in classes where the majority of their classmates are Roma. Such
classes exist both in segregated (attended primarily by Roma) as well as “integrated” schools (mixed schools with separate Roma
classes)
Andrey Ivanov, UNDP: The challenges of Roma inclusion – focusing on results with relevant data. November 2012
Dropping out of school early (or rather very, very early)
UNDP/ WB/EC regional Roma survey 2011; UNDP 2004 survey
Again, notice the distance from the national averages (where available)!
Andrey Ivanov, UNDP: The challenges of Roma inclusion – focusing on results with relevant data. November 2012
Employment: a jobless generation in the making (the case of Hungary)
UNDP/ WB/EC regional Roma survey 2011
Andrey Ivanov, UNDP: The challenges of Roma inclusion – focusing on results with relevant data. November 2012
And Hungary is still doing better than the other countries!
Andrey Ivanov, UNDP: The challenges of Roma inclusion – focusing on results with relevant data. November 2012
Roma face notoriously low employment rates…
UNDP/ WB/EC regional Roma survey 2011
Andrey Ivanov, UNDP: The challenges of Roma inclusion – focusing on results with relevant data. November 2012
…with high gender disparities in employment
UNDP/ WB/EC regional Roma survey 2011
Roma women are worse off both than non-Roma women living nearby and Roma men in their countries
Andrey Ivanov, UNDP: The challenges of Roma inclusion – focusing on results with relevant data. November 2012
Roma in Albania are sunk deeper in poverty than their non-Roma neighbors
UNDP/ WB/EC regional Roma survey 2011
Andrey Ivanov, UNDP: The challenges of Roma inclusion – focusing on results with relevant data. November 2012
…and in other countries as well
Andrey Ivanov, UNDP: The challenges of Roma inclusion – focusing on results with relevant data. November 2012
Roma are surviving on less…
UNDP/ WB/EC regional Roma survey 2011
The equivalent expenditure of Roma households (expenditure adjusted for household size to reflect relative advantages of living
under common roof) in all countries is lower than for their non-Roma households
Andrey Ivanov, UNDP: The challenges of Roma inclusion – focusing on results with relevant data. November 2012
Poverty however is more than just lack of moneyData allows calculating multidimensional
poverty rates and index – an aggregate measure of deprivation in 4 dimensions◦Health◦Education◦Housing and ◦Standard of Living
Based on 12 indicators, 3 for each dimensionA person is considered poor if s/he is
deprived in at least 6 of the 12 indicators and severely poor if deprived in 9 out of 12 indicators
Andrey Ivanov, UNDP: The challenges of Roma inclusion – focusing on results with relevant data. November 2012
Improvement in monetary and multidimensional poverty is unequal
The two poverty measures reveal different picture and in some cases changes between 2044 and 2011 go in opposite directions
Andrey Ivanov, UNDP: The challenges of Roma inclusion – focusing on results with relevant data. November 2012
All this results in acute material deprivation
UNDP/ WB/EC regional Roma survey 2011
Andrey Ivanov, UNDP: The challenges of Roma inclusion – focusing on results with relevant data. November 2012
…even in EU member States
UNDP/ WB/EC regional Roma survey 2011
Andrey Ivanov, UNDP: The challenges of Roma inclusion – focusing on results with relevant data. November 2012
Roma live in worse housing – often in slums even in the EU
UNDP/ WB/EC regional Roma survey 2011
Amazingly, the share of Roma living in slums is highest in some of the EU member states
Andrey Ivanov, UNDP: The challenges of Roma inclusion – focusing on results with relevant data. November 2012
Often facing the threat of hunger!
UNDP/ WB/EC regional Roma survey 2011
Andrey Ivanov, UNDP: The challenges of Roma inclusion – focusing on results with relevant data. November 2012
…and not just in Romania
Andrey Ivanov, UNDP: The challenges of Roma inclusion – focusing on results with relevant data. November 2012
All this translates into higher health risks
UNDP/ WB/EC regional Roma survey 2011
Andrey Ivanov, UNDP: The challenges of Roma inclusion – focusing on results with relevant data. November 2012
With negative employment implications
UNDP/ WB/EC regional Roma survey 2011
Andrey Ivanov, UNDP: The challenges of Roma inclusion – focusing on results with relevant data. November 2012
…made worse by unhealthy life-style
UNDP/ WB/EC regional Roma survey 2011
Andrey Ivanov, UNDP: The challenges of Roma inclusion – focusing on results with relevant data. November 2012
…and lower access to services
UNDP/ WB/EC regional Roma survey 2011
Andrey Ivanov, UNDP: The challenges of Roma inclusion – focusing on results with relevant data. November 2012
Health treatment could be prohibitively expensive
UNDP/ WB/EC regional Roma survey 2011, UNDP regional Roma survye 2004
Share of people living in households which in the past 12 months had instances when couldn't not afford buying the prescribed medicines
Andrey Ivanov, UNDP: The challenges of Roma inclusion – focusing on results with relevant data. November 2012
The “complex” relationship between unemployment and health
UNDP/ WB/EC regional Roma survey 2011
Being registered as unemployed for many is the only way to access health services
UNDP/ WB/EC regional Roma survey 2011, UNDP regional Roma survye 2004
Andrey Ivanov, UNDP: The challenges of Roma inclusion – focusing on results with relevant data. November 2012
Vaccination: a time bomb ticking
UNDP/ WB/EC regional Roma survey 2011
Andrey Ivanov, UNDP: The challenges of Roma inclusion – focusing on results with relevant data. November 2012
All this – despite numerous projects and international initiatives
UNDP/ WB/EC regional Roma survey 2011
Non-Roma are better aware of the Decade than the Roma who should be its primary beneficiary!
Andrey Ivanov, UNDP: The challenges of Roma inclusion – focusing on results with relevant data. November 2012
The role of civil society?
CSOs are often missing from the Roma reality on the ground – but are prominently exposed among entities implementing Roma targeted projects
UNDP/ WB/EC regional Roma survey 2011
3. The broader context
Andrey Ivanov, UNDP: The challenges of Roma inclusion – focusing on results with relevant data. November 2012
Defining the target right
Roma identity is of multiple and fluid nature “Roma” is not just a meta-group, but a complex construct The meaning of the term differs depending on the
interpretative frameworks of the different sides involved Roma identity is to large extent situational and reflective
defined vis-à-vis the non-Roma (the Gadzo)This pattern is not just the result of discrimination and prejudice Discrimination and prejudice were augmented in the process
of modernization, The process intensified even further with the 19th and 20th
century nation-states consolidation… …and post-modern politics seems to be following a similar
pattern
Methodological difficulties in that regard shouldn’t prevent us from targeting Roma communities and decreasing their vulnerability and
monitoring the results of the interventions
Andrey Ivanov, UNDP: The challenges of Roma inclusion – focusing on results with relevant data. November 2012
Why modernization?
Because the way of living of Roma was increasingly in conflict with ◦ the emerging disciplining structures of the
sedentary societies and ◦with the existing non-Roma hierarches, both
cleric and secularSimilar pattern is visible today beyond
Roma◦ Just think how contemporary institutions
perceive free file-sharing or unwillingness to be digitally “framed”…
That’s what takes the issue of Roma inclusion well beyond the framework of one single (even the largest) minority
Andrey Ivanov, UNDP: The challenges of Roma inclusion – focusing on results with relevant data. November 2012
Two major (post-modern) contradictions of Roma inclusion1. Between the vague number of the targeted
population (“who’s Roma?”) and the strict allocation figures (million of EUR)
• If you can’t precisely define the target, how would you distribute the funding tsunami that is coming?!?
2. Between the market-based individual-centered approaches and the implicit anticipation of “EU Leviathan” (someone to fix the problems) resulting in
◦ Passivity◦ Low aspirations◦ Acceptance of the status quo
Those issues are difficult to grasp through quantitative surveys but appear clearly in qualitative research
A typical picture from a Roma ghetto…
…and another one
Andrey Ivanov, UNDP: The challenges of Roma inclusion – focusing on results with relevant data. November 2012
Low aspirations and resignationBoth an outcome and driving factor of
exclusionOne of the outcomes of focusing on “meeting
basic needs” but not empowering the Roma ◦To take control and responsibility of their own
lives◦To have the tools to do that◦To have the resources to achieve that
Needs to be seen in the context of the complex dynamics of interests involved at community level
This complexity is often disregarded resulting in over-simplified approaches matched by political correctness
Another vicious circle in the making?Roma waiting for a “pan-European
change” to address all the problems?Non-Roma waiting for Roma “to start
doing something for themselves” first?…and the possible
immediate improvement falls through the cracks fueling the “project business” cycle
An outcome of resignation? A reason of resignation?
Or another “Roma targeted project” opportunity?
Andrey Ivanov, UNDP: The challenges of Roma inclusion – focusing on results with relevant data. November 2012
Dominating extremes in explaining the roots of Roma exclusionExclusion is cultural
◦ driven to extreme, it says ‘it’s all about race’Exclusion is about discrimination
◦ driven to extreme, it boils down to litigation procedure (beloved by lawyers)
Exclusion is about qualification and educational deficits◦ driven to extreme, it attributes everything to
capacity gaps
Sticking to each of the extremes is obviously wrong – but is also safe because it’s partially true
Andrey Ivanov, UNDP: The challenges of Roma inclusion – focusing on results with relevant data. November 2012
Few oversimplifications (often) driving major policy decisions
We can’t have prosperous Europe with Roma excluded◦ Of course we can – keeping them in ghettoes
Including Roma is profitable (and vice versa – excluding Roma incurs economic losses)◦ Yes, but if it were that simple, the business would have
taken on this opportunityWe all speak the same human rights language
◦ Are we? And most of all, do we attribute the same meaning to universal concepts?
In a market economy it’s private sector’s job to create jobs (in general and for Roma in particular)◦ Yes, but what about those who need support in getting
their employability closer to the average labor force?
4. Conclusions and the way forward
Andrey Ivanov, UNDP: The challenges of Roma inclusion – focusing on results with relevant data. November 2012
The overall message of the dataCertain progress in regards Roma
inclusion has been made since the launch of the Decade of Roma inclusion◦But unequal in all areas◦Unequal between countries
Quantitative data is of paramount importance for establishing reliable and robust progress monitoring systems◦But quantitative data needs to be properly
contextualized through qualitative research
Andrey Ivanov, UNDP: The challenges of Roma inclusion – focusing on results with relevant data. November 2012
Who can do what?
Different actors involved in Roma inclusion have different comparative advantages (and limitations) at different levels
The EC has been instrumental in pushing the governments in adopting clear commitments to Roma inclusion (expanding the pattern introduced by the Decade of Roma Inclusion) but the strategies need to be ◦ Translated into implementation plans (central and local)◦ Matched with adequate funding◦ With structures at the level of Roma communities
capable of delivering tangible resultsThe EC cannot substitute for the national
governments and local communities
Andrey Ivanov, UNDP: The challenges of Roma inclusion – focusing on results with relevant data. November 2012
As regards specific interventions…Move away from narrow sector-specific towards an
integrated approachApply an area-based development focus to reach
the most in need in “explicit but not exclusive” manner
Learn from failures and don’t expect results fast…Be critical and don’t take things on face valueFocus on the ultimate goals (improving people’s
lives) and not on the means (“delivery” or “absorption”)
Apply results-based monitoringUn-hybernate – and actually, liberate – the Roma
Andrey Ivanov, UNDP: The challenges of Roma inclusion – focusing on results with relevant data. November 2012
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