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This Time is DifferentMARK ZANDI, CHIEF ECONOMIST

FROM MOODY’S ECONOMY.COM

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Other Tax and SpendingPayroll TaxSequester

Fiscal Headwinds Are Blowing Hard…Real GDP growth impact of fiscal austerity, percentage points

Source: Moody’s Analytics

'05 '06 '07 '08 '09 '10 '11 '12 '13F '14F '15F-6-5-4-3-2-1012345

Private EconomyFederal Fiscal PolicyTotal

…But Will Fade Next Year…

Source: Moody’s Analytics

Contribution to real GDP growth, %

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No Tax Increase/SequesterCurrent PolicySimpson-Bowles

…Leaving a High, But Stable Debt LoadDebt held by the public, % GDP

Sources: CBO, Moody’s Analytics

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Businesses Have Never Been as Profitable…

Sources: BEA, Moody’s Analytics

After-tax corporate profit margin, %

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Interest coverage ratio

Quick ratio

…And Their Balance Sheets Are StrongNonfinancial corporate businesses

Sources: Federal Reserve, Moody’s Analytics

80 82 84 86 88 90 92 94 96 98 00 02 04 06 08 10 1210.0

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19.0Debt service (L)Financial obligations (R)

Households Rapidly Deleverage… % of disposable income

Sources: Federal Reserve, BEA, Moody’s Analytics

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6-Feb

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5.5Non First Mortgage

First Mortgage

30-90 Day Delinquency Rate, % of $, SA

Sources: Equifax, Moody’s Analytics

…And Right the Wrongs

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0.2

0.4

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1.2

1.4

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Core Capital Ratio (L)

Return on Assets (R )

Banks are Well Capitalized and More Profitable…Commercial banks

Source: FDIC

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Jan-00

Jan-00

Jan-00

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…And Opening the Credit Spigot

Source: Federal Reserve Senior Loan Officer Survey

Net % of senior loan officers…

Willing to make a consumer loan (L)

Tightening standards for C&I loans to small businesses (R)

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Fairly valued

Housing Is Fairly Valued…

Sources: PPR, BEA, Census Bureau, Fiserv, Moody’s Analytics

% over- or undervalued

9090909091919191929292929393939394949494959595959696969697979797989898989999999900000000010101010202020203030303040404040505050506060606070707070808080809090909101010101111111112121212

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9,500

10,500

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Trend Vacancy

Sources: Census, Moody’s Analytics

Vacant homes for sale, for rent and held off market, ths

…And Will Soon Be Undersupplied…

Housing Supply 950,000 Single-family 600,000 Multifamily 300,000 Manufactured Housing 50,000

Housing Demand 1,800,000 Household Formations 1,250,000 Obsolescence 350,000 Second Homes 200,000

…Fueling a Big Turn in Housing’s Contribution…

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Housing wealth effectResidential investmentTotal

Source: Moody’s Analytics

Contribution to real GDP growth, %

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Housing-Related (L)

Non Housing-Related (R )

…And More Job Growth

Source: Wall Street Journal, Moody’s Analytics

Millions of jobs

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Sources: BEA, Moody’s Analytics

Light vehicle sales, milPent-Up Demand Mounts

Trend sales

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LTRO

SMP

OTM

Sources: Bloomberg, Moody’s Analytics

Spanish 10-yr sovereign yields

Euro Zone Struggles To Hang Together

ECB Extraordinary Actions:

SMP = Securities market programLTRO = Long-term refinancing operationOTM = Outright monetary transaction

Fed Will Have a Tricky Exit…Composition of Federal Reserve’s balance sheet, $ bil

Sources: Fed, Moody’s Analytics

Jan-08 Jan-09 Jan-10 Jan-11 Jan-12 Jan-130

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-1

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1

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3

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…Given the Overvalued Bond Market…

Source: Treasury, BEA, Moody’s Analytics

Difference between 10-yr Treasury yield and potential GDP growth

Undervalued

Overvalued

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8

10

…As Higher Rates Exposses Excesses…

Sources: Treasury, BEA, Moody’s Analytics

Federal funds rate

S&L Crisis

Orange County

Mexican Peso Tech Bust

Housing Bubble Busts

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Households

…But Businesses and Households Lock In % of liabilities that adjust within 1 year

Sources: Federal Reserve, BEA, Moody’s Analytics

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14

16

ConsumptionProduction

Sources: EIA, Moody’s Analytics

Energy Independence is a Real Possibility…U.S. crude oil, millions of barrels per day

474952555860636669717477808285889193969902 4 7 1013-60

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60

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120

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…Making the U.S. Less Recession ProneWest Texas Intermediate crude oil price, % change year ago

Source: Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis, Moody’s Analytics

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