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Bulletproof Radio Dr. Tami #321

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DaveAsprey: Hey,it'sDaveAspreywithBulletproofRadio.Today'scoolfactofthedayisthateventhoughtestosteroneissomethingyou'dthinkofasmaybeamanlyhormone,andestrogenisthewomanlyhormone,asidefromonesinglecarbonatom,they'realmostidenticalstructurally.Ifyouhavemoreofoneversustheother,youwon'tbeveryidenticalstructurally.

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Since,however,mytravelkitdoesnotincludefivepoundsoffemur,andabigsteelpot,andthingslikethat,whatdoIdo?Ireallywantedsomecollagentoday.Oh,bytheway,youdon'tgetthatmuchcollagenfrombonebrothanyway.WhatIdoisItakemyUpgradedCollagenandIputitrightinmyBulletproofcoffee.Idon'tdothateverymorning,butwhatyou'regettingisatonofimportantaminoacidslikeglycine,andlessoftheinflammatoryaminoacidsthatarestillessential,butyoudon'twanttoomanyofthem.Itdoesn'thavea


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It'scalledUpgradedCollagen,andyoucanpickitupontheBulletproofwebsite,andit'soneoftheeasiestproteinpowderstousebecauseitdisappearsinwhateveryouputitin,itjustgoesaway.Youcanevenputitinbonebroth,andthat'swhatwedoattheBulletproofCoffeeShop,wemakebonebroth,andweupgradeitwithalotmorecollagenthanmothernaturecouldeverprovide.CheckitoutonBulletproof.com,that'supgradedcollagen.

Nowspeakingofcollagen,today'sguestisDrTamiMeraglia,alsoknownasjustDrTami.She'safriend,shespokeattheBulletproofConferencelastyear,andshe'sadoubleboardcertifieddoctorincosmeticandnaturopathicandintegratedmedicine.Alecturer,ateacher,anddefinitelyhascollageninhertissues,soDrTami,welcometotheshow.

TamiMeraglia: Yup,collagenisimportant.

DaveAsprey: It'skindoflikeweallhavecollageninourtissues,sothatwasn'treallythemostamazingthingaboutyou.YoualsoruntheVitalityMedisparandWellnessCenterinSeattle,whichisonlyashortfloat-planerideawayfromme.YouwroteTheHormoneSecret,whichisanationalbestseller,andyouwriteabouthowdoyourestoredepletedtestosterone,balancehormones,andloseweight.WhatIthinkisreallyinteresting,isalotofwhatyoudoisyoutalktowomenabouthowimportanttestosteroneisforthem.EverywomanI'veevermetwho'sontestosteronetherapyjustsaysthesamething.They'relikeohmygod,Igotmylifeback.Likemoresothanprogesterone,it'slike...Onlyafewofthemhadgoateesandhugemuscles,soitwas...

TamiMeraglia: Yeah,andacne.

DaveAsprey: We'lltalkaboutwhythatisn'tgoingtohappen.Yeah,whenyoudoitright,thatdoesn'thappen.I'mreallyexcitedtotalktoyouaboutthat,becausethisisn'tjustaboutwomen,ifyou'reoneofthementhatlistenstoBulletproofRadio,Ibelievethere'safewmorewomenwholisten,thanmen,believeitornot.What'sinterestingis,ifyou'reoneoftheguyslistening,ifthewomaninyourlifegoesontherightamountoftestosteronetherapy,yourqualityoflifewillimprovedramatically.Whenwomenhaveenoughtestosteronethey'relessmoody,andthey'remore...There'satechnicaltermforthis,horny,forlackofabetterword.We'regoingtogointoallthatstuffintheshow,andthat'sjustgoingtobecool,becauseit'soneofthebigthingsthatinfluencesqualityoflife,isdoyouhavethatzestforlife.

Thisispersonalformetoo,DrTami,andthisismoreforlisteners,becauseyoualreadyknowthis.WhenIwasinmymid-20sIknewthatstuffwasjacked,likethingsweren'tworkinginmybodyverywell.Ihadallthisdotcommoneyforabriefperiodoftime,andIgotallsortsoflabtestsdone,beforedoinglabtestswaskindofcool.ThekindofweirdthingwasthatmymomhadmoretestosteronethanIdid.LikeImeanalmostnotestosterone.


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TamiMeraglia: At20something,ay,ay,ay.

DaveAsprey: Yeah,andsoIwentontestosteronetherapyforeightyears,andIendedupgoingoffofit,because,withalltheBulletproofstuffthatIdo,Irestoredmynaturalproductionoftestosterone.Whichwaskindofabigthing,butIrememberthefirsttimeIputonsometestosteronetogetmylevelsupatleasttowheremymotherwas,andman,itwaslikeyougetthat...

TamiMeraglia: Daytodream.

DaveAsprey: Yeah,yougetthatI'mback,I'vegotmyenergyback,yourmojo,forlackofabetterword.That'swhatthewomenwhoItalktonow,whogettestosteronetherapy.They'relikeoh,likethatlittlesparkcomesback.Idon'tmeanjustsparkinthebedroom,Imeanlikethesparklikeeveryday.IexperiencedthatjustbecauseIhadthoseveryweirdhormonelevels.That'swhyIwantedtotalkwithyou,andthat'swhyIthinkpeoplearegoingtolovewhatwe'regoingtotalkabouthere.Givemethedown-lowontestosterone.What'sthedealwiththisstuff?Whyisitout?Whydowomenneedtocareaboutit,otherthanthatsparkoflife,whichiskindofmushy?Givemethescience.

TamiMeraglia: Well,firstofall,I'msohappytobehere,becauseit'sjustnottalkedabout.I'manMD,Iwenttoschoolforanobsceneamountoftime,andwenttoseemypatient,youknow,mywholesixminutesinmyclinic.People,especiallywomen,wouldcomeinandthey'dsayI'mtired,andIhaveanextrafive,ten,fifteen,twenty-fivepounds,itwon'tbudge.Thetricksinmytwentiesaren'tworkinganymore.They'restartingtogetostepenia,osteoporosis,myskinissagging,mybrain-fog,onandonandon.I'druntheusualtests,andI'dtellthemyou'refine.That'swhenIrealizedthatfineisafour-letterword.Nobodywakesupinthemorningandsaysgosh,Iwanttobefinetoday.Wewanttobefabulous.

Ihaveapersonalstoryaswellthatgotmetolookattestosteroneformyself.We'reourownbestpatients,sortof,intheexperimentalrealm.IwasinresidencyandIhadanewbornbaby,andIwaspregnant,andIwaslyingonmycredentialcardssayingwewereonlyworking80hoursaweek,becausethatwasthelaw.Iwasexhausted,Iwouldliterally,betweenpatients,lieonthefloor,becauseIwassotired.Youknow,IdidwhatIhearfromalotofpatients,Igavemyselftheyeahbuts.Oh,I'mexhausted,yeahbutyou'reinresidency.Yeah,butyou'repregnant.Yeah,butyouhaveatoddler.Igavemyselftheyeah,buts.Ijustthoughtyouknowreally,isthatreallytobeexpected?Isthiswhatlifeisabout,thisdecline?

Istarteddiggingin,andthat'swhenIdecided,youknowwhat,thisisn'tworking,Ihavetodoawholefellowshipinnaturopathicmedicine.AtfirstIreplacedmyownprogesterone.Isleptbetter,andIfeltmorepeaceful,butmyenergy,mymuscletofatratio,abunchofthingsthat,likeyouweresaying,thatspark,reallydidn'tcomeback.That'swhenItrippedupontestosterone.Womendon'tneedalot,butithasanout-sizedroleinhowwelook,feel,andfunction.Youknow,alotofpeople,especiallythemen,aresuper-excitedaboutthelibido,butwhenawomanisexhausted,theydon'tcare.Theydon'tcareaboutlibido.It'sbecausethey'resotired,andenergyistheprimarythingthathappenstowomenwhen


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theyrestoretheirtestosteronelevels.Whetheritisbio-hackingtheadrenals,sothattheadrenalscanproduceit,becauseaftertheageof45,that'stheprimaryfactoryformostofyourhormones,whetheryou'reamanorawoman.

DaveAsprey: Saythatagain,almostnooneunderstandsthattheadrenalsmakesexhormones,notjuststresshormones.

TamiMeraglia: Yeah,andhere'sthecrazypart,they'rethesizeofwalnuts,andifyouhaveastress-filledlife,andthisiswhereIreallywantpeopletopayattention,itdoesn'tmatterifyou'rehappy.Stressdoesnotequalahorriblelife.Havinganexcitinglife,travelling,doingthethingsthatyoulove,stayingupuntil11or12o'clockatnightbecauseyou'reexcitedaboutaproject,that'sjuststress.Youradrenalsreallydon'tknowthedifferencebetweenafuneral,andawedding.Theyarethesetinylittleglands,andtheycandealwithwhatstressesyou,orwhatblessesyou.They'renotbigenough,andtheydon'thaveenoughrawingredientstodoboth.Untilwehealouradrenals,andlikeyousay,bio-hackthem,sothattheirfunctioncangoup,sothatyoucanactuallyhavethosehormonesbeingproducedthere.Theovariesandthetestes,they'regone,they'reinretirement.Theirfunctionispassed.

DaveAsprey: Here'sanuncomfortablequestion,Idon'tlikeitwhenpeopletellmeyouhavesomeamountofcapacity.I'mlikescrewthat,I'mabio-hacker,andmywholejobistobreakrules.Therecan'tbethatmanysexhormonesthatmyadrenalsmake.Couldn'tIjusttakeafistfulloftestosterone,andalltheotherhormones,severaltimesadayonacircadianbasis?Basicallygivemyselfmega,super,uberupgradedadrenalfunction,soIcouldhandlemassesofstressallthetime?That'sactuallykindofaseriousquestion.LikecanImakeabig,mechanicaladrenalglandIstraptomybackthatinjectsmewithalltherightstuff,soIcandoanythingIwantallthetime,andneversleep?

TamiMeraglia: No,becauseallofthatstuffhasinflammation,andyoucannot,atsomepoint...Ithinkwecanfunctionmuchhigherthanweeverthought,butIthinkthattherearesomesortoflawsthatarebuiltintoourDNA.Sleepisoneofthem,unpluggingisanotheroneofthem.Youdohavetohavethisonandoff,thisyinandyang,thisblackandwhite.Lifeisallaboutthisbalance.

DaveAsprey: Ofcourse.

TamiMeraglia: SorryDave,youcannotbea24/7supermanandjustdrinkyourBulletproofcoffeedayandnightandmakeitthrough.Therewillbeapointwhereyouradrenalsarelike,youknow,youthinkyou'rereplacingthesehormones,butthey'renotexactlythesameaswhatIproduce,sothere'sasideeffect.

DaveAsprey: They'renotexactlythesame,Iwouldsaynotyet.We'regettingbetterandbetteratquantifyingwhat'sgoingon,andthere'sabunchofquantumeffectsthatwereallydon'tunderstandhowhormoneswork,forthemostpart.Wekindofneedtofigurethatout.Likewecanseewhattheirlevelsare,andwhatthebodydoes,buthowthehormonemakesthathappen,there'sstillalotofdecodingofrawbio-sciencethathasn'tbeendone.Idon't


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thinkwe'rethatclosetothat,butIdoknowthatwhenyoureplacesomeofthehormones,thattheadrenalsarenotmakingenoughof,thatyoucandothat,andyoucangettolevelsofperformance.Performancedoesn'tmeanlikeIkickassandIworkallthetime,itmeansactuallyjustthatIkickass.Ikickassatbeinghappy,Ikickassatmakingcoffee,IkickassatwhateverI'mdoing.Ihaveenergy,Ifeelgood.

TamiMeraglia: Creativity,cooking,yeah.

DaveAsprey: Idon'twalktothefridgeandforgetwhyIopenedthedoor,allthatstuffgoesaway.

TamiMeraglia: Yeah,itdoes.

DaveAsprey: That'swhyI'mahugefanofreplacinganythingthattheadrenalsmake,ifthey'renotmakingenoughofit,aslongasyoudon'tgetyourcortisollevelssohighthatyou'reastressedoutmonkey.Let'stalkaboutthelistofadrenalhormones,thesexhormonesandtheadrenalhormones.Justkindofgivemethebigones.Ithinkpeoplelisteningwillbetotallyshockedtohearthewholelist.

TamiMeraglia: Yeah,there'saton,andIthinkthattestosteroneismyfavorite.It'snotthebiggestone,butithasthebiggestimpactinmenandwomen,Ithink.Progesterone,that'swomenwhoarewakingupbetweentwoandfourinmorning,wideawake,asiftheywereneverasleep,andtheirregulardoctorhasgiventhemanantidepressant,orasleepingpill,orboth.No,no,no,it'syourprogesterone,youjustneedthattostayasleep.

DaveAsprey: Whataboutforguys?

TamiMeraglia: Menhaveprogesteroneaswell,andit'sreallyinterestingthatyourtestosteroneinaman,there'sanenzymethattakesyourtestosterone,anditmakesitintoanotherformoftestosteronecalledDHT,dihydrotestosterone,orevenestrogen.

DaveAsprey: Thebaldnesshormone.

TamiMeraglia: Yeah,themalepatternbalding.Nowthosearetwodifferentenzymaticreactions,anditlowersyourtestosteronelevel,becauseit'skindofgoingoverhereinstead.Youcanactuallyuseprogesteronetoblockthatenzymaticreactionfromoccurring.Youcanactuallynaturallyraiseyourownleveloftestosteronebytakingatinybitofprogesterone.Progesteronehelpsyourbones,helpsyourbrain,it'sactuallynotabadthing.Ihavemenonprogesterone.

DaveAsprey: Ididnotknowprogesteronewasanaromataseinhibitor.

TamiMeraglia: Thearomataseandthe5-alphareductase,itactuallyhasaneffectonboth,toalesserorgreaterdegree.

DaveAsprey: Allthemeninmyfamily,atleastfrommydad'sside,weover-aromatise...Aromatase,aromatise?Wehaveexcessive...


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TamiMeraglia: Aromatise.Youhavealotofaromataseenzymeactivity.

DaveAsprey: Yeah,Ihavealotofaromatasosity.Anyway...

TamiMeraglia: Youshouldhavepickedyourparentsbetter.

DaveAsprey: Whatthatmeans,forpeoplelistening,itmeansthatwhenIgettestosteroneinmybody,it

goestoestrogenviaalmosteverypathwaypossible.ItakeDHEA,Igetestrogen.ItakePregnenolone,Igetestrogen.Whatdoyougetwhenyouhaveestrogen?Yougetboobs.

TamiMeraglia: Moobs.

DaveAsprey: Alltheguysinmyfamilyhavemoobs.

TamiMeraglia: Man-boobs.

DaveAsprey: I'mlikethissucks,Ikeepitundercontrol,butwhenIwasontestosteroneIusedArimidex,becauseoneofmyproblemswasmostofmytestosteronewasgoingtoestrogensoquickly.Imanagedtoblockthat,butArimidexisapharmaceuticalwayofdoingit.I'dnotheardaboutPregnenolone.Peopleweregoing...

TamiMeraglia: Progesterone.

DaveAsprey: Sorry,thankyou,progesterone,notPregnenolone.Ifyou'relisteningtothis,andyou'relikewhatthehellareallthesepreg-whatevers?Here'sthedeal,thesearethebasichormones,there'salotofformsofallthesethings.Ifyou're30orunder,gooutandgetalabtestandseewhatyourlevelsare.Whenyou're80,orlike180,likeIplantobe,you'regoingtowanttohavethesamehormonelevelsthatyouhadwhenyouwere30.

TamiMeraglia: Absolutely.

DaveAsprey: Ifyouwaituntilyou're35,youdon'thavethedataanymore,right?

TamiMeraglia: Yeah,25ismyrecommendation.

DaveAsprey: Yeah,Iactuallylikethat.

TamiMeraglia: Between25and30,becauseyouknow,wewanteveryonetofeel29.

DaveAsprey: It'ssoimportant,andIdiddoitwhenIwaslike26,27,theproblemwasmyhormoneswerealreadyjacked,IhadstretchmarksandIweighed300pounds.Ihad...

TamiMeraglia: Fatactuallyhasenzymeactivity,sofattakesyourtestosteroneandmakesitestrogen,andthenestrogenmakesmorefat,it'sjustlikeah!


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DaveAsprey: Ihadsomenicecurves,unfortunatelyIhadthreeorfourofthemaroundthemiddlethatdidn'tbelongthere,butyouknow.

TamiMeraglia: CanImakeacommentaboutArimidex,becausewhatIwantpeopletoknowisthatifyougettherightinformationforyou,there'ssomuchthatyoucando.You'reright,Arimidexisawesome,butI'mthatfreakydoctorthatreadseverysinglearticle,everywhitepaper.Ireadthearticlesthatarereferencesinthearticle.I'mlikeyou,likeaclosetnerd.Arimidexdoesnotincreaseyourriskforprostatecancer,butstudieshaveshown,itwasastudybytheSocietyofUrology,thatifyoudogetprostatecancer,andyou'retakingArimidex,itisislikelytobeamoreaggressiveform.It'slastonmylist,there'schrysin,whichisaChineseherb,thereis...

DaveAsprey: Doesthatworkforyou?

TamiMeraglia: Whenyouputawholebunchofdifferentthings,soyouknow,Iputthechrysininwiththetestosteronecream,itcan'thurt.

DaveAsprey: Iusedtouseahugestack,thiswasinmylate20s,Iwaskindofworriedaboutthis...Ihavekids,I'm43,right?Likeokay,mytestosteroneisaboutmyvitality,butit'snotsomuchaboutmymanlinessatthispoint,I'mmanlyenough,right?Atthattime,Iwaslikeeverything.IhadTribulus,Arginine,chrysin,IcouldTribulusalittlebit,butforthemostpart,Inevercouldgetanyactivityfromchrysin,butthatcouldbeveryindividualized.

TamiMeraglia: That'swhyyoutest,yeah,that'swhyyoutest.

DaveAsprey: Okay,great.

TamiMeraglia: You'relike,let'strythisnon-pharmaceuticalthingthathasverylittletonoside-effects.Ohbummer,itdidn'twork,andthenyoukeepgoinguptheladder.That'swhyyoujusthavetohavesomebodywhotests.Thenyouwanttohavesomebodywho'sgoingtotestyoururine,becausemenandwomenturntheirtestosteroneintoestrogenalittlebit,andthenyourestrogenbecomesalltheseotherforms.216Hydroxyestroneratiotellsyouaboutyourcancerriskforbreastcancer,andprostatecancer,soitgetsreallycomplicated.Youwantsomebodytoguideyouthroughit.That'swhyIlove,andinmybookTheHormoneSecret,Ididn'twanttosayohno,everybodygofindadoctor,andtakehormones.Eventhoughtakingthepressureoffofyouradrenalsbytakinghormonesisagreatidea,sothatyoucanhealthembetter,andmoreeasily.Thebookisallaboutanon-pharmaceuticalwayto...Whatyoueat,whenyoueat,howtosupplement,tospecificallyboostyourownbody'sproduction.That'skindofwhatyou'reallabout.

DaveAsprey: Ohyeah.

TamiMeraglia: Youcangetyourbodyatamuchhigherlevelifyoujustgiveitwhatitneeds,andgetoutoftheway.

DaveAsprey: Youcangiveitalltherightbuildingblocks,andyoucanremovethethingsthatare


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inhibitingyou.It'sreallyterriblecomplex.IdidaninterviewrecentlywithDrDanHuberwherewetalkedabouttheendocrinedisruptingeffectsofglyphosate.Halfapartperbillionstartstomesswithyourestrogenreceptors.You'relikedamn,Igavemyselfallthebuildingblocks,Ididallthestuffright,andthenthisenvironmentalpollutantjackedupmyhormones,andofcourseyou'renotgoingtosmellortastethatitwasthere...

TamiMeraglia: Orevenknow.

DaveAsprey: Yeah,becauseyouatesomekindofgrainthatwasdesiccatedwithit,orbecauseit'sinyourwater,becausetheyallowittobedumpedintotherivertogetridofalgae.You'relike,really?Howdoyouproposethat...I'mgoingtoasktwodifferentscenarios,oneishowdoyouproposesomeoneintheirmid-40s,whoprobablyhassomerepairtodoontheirhormonesystems,butprobablyhassomeassetsinordertopayforit.Howdoyouproposetheygoaboutit,versussomeonewho'sintheirmid-20s?Whoprobablycan'taffordthedamnhormonepanels,muchlessabunchofhundreddollarsworthofwhatevertestosterone,otherkindsofcreams,injections,andalltheotherthings.

Firstoff,tellmewhatthepersonwho'swillingandabletospendsomemoneyonthis,who'sreallygotsomestufftodo,doesn'twanttospendalot,butisreallyabletocomeupwithacoupleofhundreddollarstochangethequalityoftheirlife.Versussomeonewho'slikegoodgod,I'mgoingtohavetoworktenmoreshiftsatStarbucksbeforeIcouldeventhinkaboutthis.Givemethe,I'mgoingtodothisnow,versusI'mgoingtosaveuptodothismodel.

TamiMeraglia: Right,wellofcourseI'mbiased.Ihadthisprobleminmyclinic,andIhavehadaclinicforovertenyears,andsowhatIdidisIcreatedavirtualmedicalclinicwherewejustprovideyouacustomizedpanel,andprogramjustforyou.Wemadeamembershipmodel,soit's$99amonth,andyougetfourone-hourappointments,one-on-onewithananti-agingdoubleboardcertifiedMD,who'sgoingtocreateexactlywhatyouneed.Whetherthat'saprescription...

DaveAsprey: Whataboutthelabsthough?Aren'tthelabsreallyexpensive?

TamiMeraglia: It'sreallycool,asanMDI'mlicensedallovertheUnitedStates,soIcanactuallyorderlabsanywhere,andyourinsurancewillpayforit,becauseIknowallthesneakyCPTcodes.Thenthere'salsobloodspottests,whichissuper-cool.Thatwecanactuallymailyouakit,youcanprickyourfinger,andIcangetreallyaccuratevaluablehormonelevelinformation,justfromthatlittlebloodspotkit.

DaveAsprey: Whomakesthatkit?

TamiMeraglia: There'sTheranos,there'stheonesthatwehavethat'sbeenaroundthelongestisZRT,andIfindthatthey'rethemostaffordable,they'vebeendoingitforsolong.TheyworkwithA4sotheyhavesuchagreataccuracy.That'smypoint,isthatthere'salotofcoaches,andalotofhealthprofessionals,quote/unquote,whosayohyeah,here'salab.Werecentlyransomelabsonmyhusband,andwedidfivelabs,thepoorguy.He'sItalian,hehatesneedles,


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butwejustkeptsuckingoutblood.Heneededtodoitanyway,becausehe'soneofthefewmenthat,whentheytaketestosteronetheirbloodgetsthick,soheneededlikeabloodlettinganyway.Wesentittofivelabs,andyouwouldnotbelievethedifferentresults,fromthesamesample.It'sreallyscaryoutthere,Ithink.

DaveAsprey: Oneoftheotheranti-agingguysthatI'veknownformany,manyyears,who'sanadvisortothenon-profitSiliconeValleyHealthInstituteGroupthatIrun,DrMiller,heinsistsoneachlab...Heholdsthelabsaccountableforqualitystandards,andranintoexactlythesameproblemthatyou'veruninto,wherehedoesn'ttrustlabdata,becauseit'ssohighlyvariable.Thisisanun-talkedaboutproblem,exceptforTheranoswhogotinalotoftroublebecauseapparentlytherewassomestuffgoingon,likealotgoingon.

TamiMeraglia: Itseemslike,forme,I'mreallylucky,becausetestosteroneseemstobethehardestlabtogetright.I'malwaystestingit,andsoI'mseeingthevariety,andgoinghuh,waitaminute.Howcanthisbethatfaroff?Wejustdidthisthreemonthsago,it'sanewlab,you'reonthesamedose,thisisweird.

DaveAsprey: Whatyou'redoingnowiswhethersomeone's25,orsomeone's45,or65,whatever,it'sabout$1200ayear.Whichgetsthemameetingeverythreemonths,whichisactuallyquitealot,Iwouldrecommendpeopledothat,it'skindoflikeyou'resupposedtogetyourteethcleanedeverysixmonths,butnoonereallydoesthat.

TamiMeraglia: It'slessthanalatteaday.

DaveAsprey: Yeah,totally.

TamiMeraglia: ThatwasmyStarbucksinSeattlething.Likethisismybenchmark.

DaveAsprey: It'sactuallyaveryreasonablethingtodo,onceyou'vepaidyourrent,andyou'vegotqualityfoodonyourtable,andyou'rebasicnecessitiesaretakencareof.It'ssomeofthecheapestthingsyoucando,becauseitisverylikelytopreventamuchlargerlifealteringexperiencelater.Yougetyourstuff...

TamiMeraglia: Whichiswaymoreexpensive.

DaveAsprey: Yeah,it'shalfamilliondollarsforaheartattackthesedays.ThenumberonecauseofbankruptciesintheUSisamedicalcrisis,andthehospitaljustbleedsyoudry.Idon'tmeaninthehospital,theyjustmakeyousickinthehospital,butatleastyoudidn'tdie.Thentheybleedyoudryfinancially,andthenyoudieofstarvationorsomething.

TamiMeraglia: Ortheinfectionthatyouleftwith.

DaveAsprey: Right,it'skindofasicksysteminmultipleways.Ibelieveverystronglythatthat'sagoodthingtodo.Forthepeoplewhomaybearen'treadytogothatlevel,butjustwanttogettheirlabsonceayear,becausethey'llgetthere,butthey'rebuildingcareers,they'rebuildingsavings.Maybetheyaren'tmakingrenteverymonth,buttheystillwanttoget


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theirdata,wheretheycangettheirdata.Whatdoesitcosttodoabasichormonepanel?

TamiMeraglia: Withnoinsuranceinvolved?

DaveAsprey: Yeah.

TamiMeraglia: Lessthan$300.

DaveAsprey: Thereyougo,sothatis...

TamiMeraglia: Thenjustgetmybook,oryourbook,orthere'ssomanyguidesoutthere,oflikeokaynowIknowmyresults,Ineedtofindabookontestosterone.Ineedtofindabookonestrogen.Thenthere'ssomehelp.

DaveAsprey: Readseveral,there'sprobablysomecrazybookouttherethat'lltellyoujuicinggreenstuffraisesyourtestosterone.Bytheway,don'tbelievethat.Ifyoudon'tbelievemewhenIsaydon'tbelievethat,lookattheauthorwhodrinksallthegreenjuice.Itdoesn'tmatterwhichauthor,I'mnotpickingonanyoneoutthere,butIdon'tknowanyonewhohasvibranttestosteronelevels,whosubsistsonraw,greenvegetables.Iknow,Iwasarawveganforawhile,it'sjustnotawaytoraisetestosterone.Sorry,Iwishitwas,butit'snot.

TamiMeraglia: It'snot.Sorry,beingatestosteronedoctor,itjustisn't.Yourtestosteroneismadeupofcertainthings,andifyourbodydoesn'thavethoserawingredients,it'snotgoingtobeabletomakeit.Itjustisprettycommonsense.

DaveAsprey: DrTami,didn'tyouknowceleryisshapedlikeaphallus,thereforeitraisestestosterone?Ihadsomeonetellmethatonce,I'mnotjoking.IpolitelytoldthemIlikesalad,andthatwasagoodconversation.Likewhatdoyousaytothat?

TamiMeraglia: Yes,noIknow,Iknow.That's,Ithink,partoftheproblemisthatpeoplecangetoverwhelmed.Ihearalotofpeople,there'ssomuchinformationoutthere,Idon'tknowwheretodo,Idon'tknowwhattodo.Someofitseemstocontradict.Youjusthavetofindcrediblesources,andthenlistentoyourintuition.Likemostofuswouldjustgoiscelerygoingtoraiseyourtestosterone?Let'slookatthenutrientcontentofcelery,what'sthere?Hmm,fiber,water...

DaveAsprey: It'scoolthatyou'vestudiednaturopathyaswellaswesternmedicine,becauseit'sthatcombinationwhereifyouweretoaskatypical,whitelabcoatdoctor,it'slikefooddoesn'tmatter.Okay,that'sstupid.Thenyouasksomeonewho'smaybegonewayoffontheendofalternativenutrition,youcanget...Thisisasuper-food,thereforeitraisestestosterone.Whyisthatasuper-food?Atwhatpointdidwhateverthisberryis...Idon'tknow,Ithinkthatthere'sagaponbothends.Somewhereinthemiddlewhereyouconsider,andvalueandusethewesternandsomeofthemorenaturalapproaches,that'skindofwhere,thatoverlappingareainthemiddle,iswherethemostbenefithappens.Ifyouonlygoonewayortheother,you'reprobablymissingout.


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TamiMeraglia: Youknow,lotsofmypatientscometomeonmedications.They'vegothighbloodpressure,highcholesterol,they'reoverweight.Theycometomeonmedication,sofirstofall,thosemedicationscreateproblems.TheycreateB12deficiencies,theycreateallkindsofsideeffectsthatnobodywhoisprescribingthemislookingat.Thensecondarily,nobody'sactuallylookingattakingthemoff.What'sourplan?Sure,Iwantyouonyourbloodpressuremedication,becausestrokesareawful,butthegoalistogetyouoffthis.Here'sourtenstepplanthat'sgoingtotakeussixtotwelvemonthstodoit,andwe'regoingtomeeteveryquarter,andyouhaveunlimitedemailaccesstome,sothatwegetyouoffthisstuff.MyproblemwithpharmaceuticalcompaniesrightnowisIdon'tthinkthatthey'recreatingcures,Ithinkthey'recreatingcustomers.They'remosthappywhenyou'rejustlikealifer.

DaveAsprey: It'sreallyinterestinghowmany...Especiallywhenyougetintoyour60sand70s,you'reon20medications,becausethisonecancelsouttheside-effectsfromthatone,whichcausesthisside-effect.It'sactuallyareallyintriguingbusinessmodel.

TamiMeraglia: Asagreatbusinessmanyou'reprobablylike,that'sbrilliant,wishIhadthoughtofit.

DaveAsprey: That'swhythere'snoethicprogramwhereIwenttoschool.No,justkidding,theydidteachusethicsforatleast20minutes.

TamiMeraglia: Howtoavoidit.

DaveAsprey: Thewholepointis,ifyourejectwesternmedicine,youactuallyrejecthormonereplacement,becausewedidn'tknowhowtomakethosehormoneswithoutwesternmedicine.Usingthoseintelligently,versuswhackingyourselfovertheheadwithamega-doseeveryFriday...There'scircadianrhythmsthatwecanvalue,thatcomelessfromthewest,andmorefromtheeast.Let'stalkalittlebitmoreaboutstagesoflife.Ifyouembracebothapproachesatonetime,likeyoudo,ifyou'reawoman,atwhatpointinlifedoyoustartreallyworryingabouttestosterone?

TamiMeraglia: UnfortunatelyDaveitishappeningatamuchyounger,andmuchmoresignificantrateandagethanwe'veeverseenatanyothertime.Theresearchwasthatpeoplewho...Womenwerenothavinglowtestosteronelevelsthatwereaffectingtheirlifeuntiltheirlate50sand60s,andbeyond.Wenowareseeingitnotuncommonlyinthe30s.Thenbythetimewomenaregettingtotheirlate40sand50s,it'snotlowtestosterone,it'sundetectablefreetestosterone.It'sinsane,youcan'tfinditatall,there'snolabthatcanfindanyfreetestosterone.Whichmeansyoudon'thaveanyofthatstuffthathelpsyou.Didyouknowthattestosteroneprescriptionwasatonetimemanyyearsago,thenumberonetreatmentfordepressions?Wehavetestosteronereceptorsinourbrain.

DaveAsprey: Wow,Ididn'tactuallyrealizethat,butIcanseewhy.Justhavingfeltthedifferenceinmyqualityoflifefromhavingverylowtestosterone,tobringingitbackuptonormallevels,Idon'tknowthatIhavereallygoodwordsforit,butit'slikeeverythingiseasierwhenyouhaveenoughtestosterone.Idon'tmeanenoughtogetjackedand...


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TamiMeraglia: Pumpedup.

DaveAsprey: Yeah,it'sactuallytotallydifferent,it'sadifferentuniverseifyou'reusingthetypesorlevelsoftestosteronethatwoulddothat.Justtogobacktonormal,likeokay,thisishowI'msupposedtofeeleveryday,Ijusthaven'tfeltthatwayinalongtime.You'reseeingthatintheir30sforwomenandmen.

TamiMeraglia: Yeah.

DaveAsprey: Whatdoesthatdotofertilityforboth?

TamiMeraglia: Trashesit,trashed.There'sactuallyabignewstudythatshowsthattakingtestosteroneforwomenduringafertilitycourseincreasesthechancesofalivebirth.Weusedtothinkno,wedon'twanttotaketestosteroneduringthetimewhenyou'retryingtogetpregnant,weusedtotakepeopleoffoftheirtestosterone,menandwomen.Nowwe'refindingoutthatitactuallyisreallyhelpful.

DaveAsprey: Theproblemwe'rerunningintoisthatwecompletelyjackeduptheenvironmentaroundus,andlong-timelistenersknow,bio-hackingistheartofchangingtheenvironmentaroundyou,andinsideyou,sothatyouhavecontrolofyourbiology.Wellweunintelligently,andwithoutawareness,changedtheenvironmentaroundusquitealot.It'sfullofendocrinedisruptors,we'renowusingthesetoxiclights,basicallyjunklighting,likecompactfluorescentbulbs,thatalsomesswithyourhormonelevelsandyoursleep.Wedoeverythingwecantoourenvironmentthatreducesfertility,includingsprayingglyphosate,andabunchofotherplasticizers.Thenwewalkaroundgoinggee,Iwonderwhywe'reinfertileandwefeellikecrapallthetime?

Welltheproblemisit'sareallybigsystem,andyou'renotgoingtofixjustonethingandfeelbetter.Youhavetofixmorethanonevariableatatime,becauseyoubrokemorethanonevariableatatime.Untilallthatstuffisrestored,andwe'reallwalkingaroundwearingtogas,barefootinnature,andmaybewe'llgetthere,right?We'llhavemagiccarpets,I'mdownwiththatfuture.Untilthen,youmightwanttojustgrabyourtestosterone,allyourotherhormones,bythehornsandsayyouknowwhat,you'renotdoingwhatIwantyoutodorightnow.You'renotdoingwhatmybodyevolvedforyoutodo,soI'lljustdoitforyou.Right?

TamiMeraglia: Yeah.

DaveAsprey: Thisistheonlyoptionyouhaverightnow,ifyouwanttofeelthewayyou'recapableoffeeling.Itrulydon'tbelievethat99.9percentofpeoplelisteningrightnow,eveniftheygototheextremelengthslikeIhave.Iliveinafrickenorganicfarmonanisland,I'mlookingoutatabaldeagleoutthatwindowrightnow.IgrowallmyownfoodwhenI'mnotonairplanesandstufflikethat.IstilluseeverytoolIcantobeatthelevelwhereI'mat.Thisisjustthestateofhighperformancelivingthatwe'reinrightnow,andwedidthistoourselves.


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TamiMeraglia: WellItotallyagree.Ifeellikesincethere'ssomuchoutofourcontrol,youmustferventlyseizetheopportunitytooptimizethethingsthatareinyourcontrol.Hormonesareoneofthem.WhenIworkwithpatientsI'mnotgoingtobringyou...Ihavewomenwhocomeinandsaywell,IheardSuzanneSummersisinher70sandshestillhasaperiod.Youknow,we'regoingtooptimizeyoutothebestyou.

DaveAsprey: Wait,she'snotinher70s,isshe?No.

TamiMeraglia: Late60s,Idon'tknowhowoldsheis,butshe'sold.

DaveAsprey: ShewasonBulletproofRadio,mygod,shewassoknowledgeable,Iwasblownaway.Itwascool.

TamiMeraglia: Shehasbecomeaspongeforall...Shewalksthetalktoo,she'shadalotofhealthconcerns,andshe'saddressedthem.

DaveAsprey: Shelooksreallygoodthough,like...

TamiMeraglia: Yeah,she'sjustamazing.

DaveAsprey: Idon'tmeanjustbeautifulgood,Imeanlikeshelookshealthy,andshe'sbeenthere.CathySmithalso,shefooledmeonBulletproofRadio,anotherreallyfamousfitnessmodel.

TamiMeraglia: Yeah,she'sagoodfriend.

DaveAsprey: She'sagoodfriend?Sheconvincedmethatshewasstillovulating.I'mlikewhat?Thatcan'tbe?She'slike,justkidding.She'sinher60saswell.Itisentirelypossibletojusthavetheselevelsofvitality,andtolookyoung.Screwlookingyoung,ifyou'reinyour60s,youprobablywanttolookyoung,butseriously,youwanttofeelyoungalotmorethanyouwanttolookyoung,right?

TamiMeraglia: Whenyoufeelgoodyoudolookbetter.

DaveAsprey: Indeed.

TamiMeraglia: Youjusthavetohaveaterriblenight'ssleep,andthenlookinthemirrortoknowthat'strue.Whenpeoplelookatme,Ijustwantthemtosay,ohyoulookyoungforyourage.No,whatIwantthemtolookatis,ohwow,shelooksvibrant.Shelookshealthy.Lookatherskin.NotdoIhavewrinkles,andisitsagging,butisitglowing?That'sbecauseithassufficientamountsofcollagen,it'sgotgreatbloodsupply,it'sfullyopenwithenoughnitrousoxide,andmycirculationisworkingoptimally,andtheinflammationislow.There'sawaytogofromtheinsideoutwithregardtobeauty.

DaveAsprey: Speakingofgoingfromtheinsideout,whataboutbirthcontrol?

TamiMeraglia: Ah.


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DaveAsprey: Let'stalkaboutwhatoralcontraceptivesdotoyourhormones.I'vebeenopposedtothese

for15plusyears.Wiley,TSWiley,who'sthefirstbigauthortowriteabouttheeffectoflightingonourhealth,goingbacktotheearly'90s,Imetherawhileback,maybe2001.Shealsowroteabigbookaboutoralcontraceptives,I'mlikethisisprettyhorrifying.Idon'twantanyonethatIknowtousethesethings.That'sbeenmypositionforalongtime,butthere'sevenmorenewsciencethat'scomeout,andIknowyoucoversomeofthatinyourbook.Justkindofgivepeoplelisteningthedownlowonwhatdooralcontraceptivesactuallydo?

TamiMeraglia: Let'sjuststartoffwithbasicsciencethatthesepharmaceuticalcompanieshavedecidedtocompletelyturntheirbackon.That'sthefactthat...Well,twobasicscienceprinciples.Oneisthatwomenarenothorses,right?Theestrogenintheoralcontraceptivepillisanestrogenfromtheurineofapregnanthorse.Ifyoulookatitstructurally,itdoesnotlookthesame.Shockingly,ornot,yourbodyknowsyou'renotahorse.There'sthisresponsetoaforeigntypeofthingthatyourbodygoeswhattheheck?Thesecondhugethingisthatestrogenwasneversomethingthatwentthroughyourliver,throughyourvet,throughtheP450system.

Oralestrogen,evenifit'sbio-identical,isaterribleidea.Yourliverlooksatthisandgoeswhattheheckisthis?I'veneverseenthisbefore,itmustbeevil,oh,Iknowwhattodo,I'llputabunchofclottingfactorsaroundthistoprotectit,andthenI'llshoveitontosomebodyelseandseeiftheyknowwhattodo.Yourriskofclotsgoeswayup.Ifyoureadthepacketinsert,ittellsyou,ifyousmoke,don'tdothis.Why?You'regoingtogetaclot.Ifyou'reovertheageof40,youshouldconsidernotdoingthis.Why?Becauseofaclot.50percentofpeoplewhogetapulmonaryembolism,whichisalungclot,dieinstantaneously.Theydon'tevenmakeittothehospital.Forthosetworeasons,howawfulisthat?Justdisregardscience,andhavethisoralcontraceptivepillgoinyourmouthwithaforeignsubstance.

Ihaveabigproblemwhenmyfemalepatientscomehere,andthey'retakingoralcontraceptivepillstohelpwithhotflushes,andvaginaldryness,anddiscomfortwithsex,andmoodiness.I'mlike,there'sanaturalalternative,whatareyoudoing?

DaveAsprey: Whatisthealternative,insteadoforalestrogen?

TamiMeraglia: Topicalisavailable,weknowthatit'sverywellabsorbed.Ifyouhadaheartattack,andyouwenttotheemergencydepartment,wewouldputatopicalmedicationonfirst,calledNitropaste.ItcanstartactingbeforewecanevengetanIVaccessintoyou.Topicalisagreatwaytoabsorb,andifyouapplyitvaginally,mucousmembranesareevenbetteratabsorbing.Topicalisanamazingwaywecanmeasureitinthebloodthatitactuallygetsinanddoesthejob.Therearepatches.Idon'tlikepellets,becauseforestrogenourbodyhadariseandfallofestrogenlevels,andthepelletisjustthebigblasteverysinglesolitaryday,untilyoutakeitout.Thenyoudoitagain.Idon'tthinkthatit'smimickingmothernatureaswellasyoucouldbedoing.Nowfortestosterone,formen,whereyoudidhaveadailydose,that'sadifferentstory.


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DaveAsprey: You'reokaywithtestosteronepellets,butnotestrogenpellets?

TamiMeraglia: Right,getbacktomothernature,andlookatwhatthephysiologyis,orshouldbe.

DaveAsprey: Havingusedtestosteronecreamforeightyears,thereareissueswithhormonecreams.

Oneofthemisthatifyourubthehormonecreamonyourpartner,theywillgethit.

TamiMeraglia: Oryourpet.

DaveAsprey: Yougotobed,yousortofsmearitwhereveryou'regoingtosmearit.Thenyou'relikehey,sexytime,andthenyou'relikeoh,sorryaboutthat.

DaveAsprey: Right.Formenthemostabsorb-ablespotisbasicallythescrotum.

TamiMeraglia: Ortheanalring.

DaveAsprey: Yeah,butgreasyballs,seriously,Iknowthere'sprobablyamedicaltermforthat,likegreasyballamous,orsomething,butthat'sjustnotcool.Iswitchedtothearmpits,becausethat'sthesecondbestabsorbedarea.I'mtotallyhappylikeshavingmyarmpits.Iactuallyfinallygotthemlasered.I'mlikeI'msotiredofthis,Ijustdon'twantgreasyarmpithair,becausethat'sgross,right?NowIhavelikeaneasypathwayinforhormonesthataretopical,butIhaveyoungkids.OneofthereasonsIwentofftestosterone,asidefromthefactthatIrealizedIcouldmakemyownlevelsnaturallynow,isthatIreallydon'twanttracesoftestosteronecreamonmysheets,gettingonmykids.Ifyougetthoseonyoungkids,itreallyjacksthemup.

TamiMeraglia: Yeah.

DaveAsprey: It'slikethere'sgottobeacleanerwaythansmearinggreasyointmentallover.

TamiMeraglia: Wellthat'strue,Idotellmypatientsthebesttimetodoit,islikemorningshower,dress,gonefortheday.

DaveAsprey: Okaycool.

TamiMeraglia: Youknowunlessyou'redoingsomethingyoushouldn'tbedoingatwork,midday,youshouldbefine.

DaveAsprey: Okay,gotit,Ihearyou.

TamiMeraglia: Wejustsayatwotofourhourwindow,thisshouldbecompletelyreadyforcontact.Ifyouputitintheplaceswhereit'snoclothing.Testosteronelovesfat,andthere'saconditioncalleddermalfatiguewheretestosteronegetsstuckinthefat,anditdoesn'tgetdispersedthroughthebloodstream.You'llhavehigherandhigherdoses,andyourlevelsaren'tgoingup,andyou'relikewhattheheck?ThenI'llfindoutthatmypatientsareapplyingittotheir


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thigh.Likeno,youcan'tdothat.

DaveAsprey: Itreallymatters.Womenhavethisunfairadvantage,youhaveavagina,youcanapplyallsortsofcreamsandtheyjustgorightin.That'suseful.Nowthere'ssomethingthat...Idon'tthinkIwroteaboutthisineitherofthebooks,butI'vementioneditontheshowonceortwice.Mosthormonedoctorsarelikedon'ttellpeople.Here'sthething,ifyouhavebio-identicalhormonecream,sorry,bio-identicaltestosteronecream,andyoutakethetiniestdosepossibleandyouapplythatvaginally,whathappens?

TamiMeraglia: Oh,that'scalledScreamCream.

DaveAsprey: Screamcream,that'sagoodnameforit.

TamiMeraglia: No,itactuallyistheScreamCream.It'sgotawholebunchofotherthingsinit,but...

DaveAsprey: Theycallitthat?

TamiMeraglia: Yeah,it'saprescription.IwriteaprescriptionforScreamCream.

DaveAsprey: Okay,that'sawesome.

TamiMeraglia: It'sexactlywhatyouthink,it'stoincreasetheexperienceofintercourse.

DaveAsprey: There'salevelofvascularization.See,I'musingallthesemedicalterms,likeI'mlikeanunlicensedbio-hackerorsomething.It'salevelofvascularizationthatismind-boggling,andprobablynotnaturallypossibleinanormalenvironment.You'relikeIcan'tbelievethatjusthappened.I'mtalkinginthewoman,nottheman.It'sprettyshocking,andit'savery,verylowdose,butthat'soneofthosethingswhere...LikewhenIknowpeopleI'mworkingwith,ifIknowtheyhaveatestosteronecream,I'mlikeyoujustknowthatthismighthappenafteryouapplyit.Thefeedbackisuniversallylikeholycrap.Isthatriskyforthewomanthough?Imeanwe'retalkingverylowdoses.

TamiMeraglia: No,mypatientsareonlowdoses.Mymalepatientsareanywherefrom100to250milligrams.Myfemalepatientsareonlike0.5to3,maybeupto5milligramsasabigdoseforawoman.

DaveAsprey: It'sunlikelytocauseproblems,butitislikelytojustproduceaverydifferentexperience,we'lljustputitthatway.

TamiMeraglia: ScreamCream.

DaveAsprey: Yeah,ScreamCreamisthebestwaytoexplainit.That'smyfavoritetip,ifawomanfriendcametomeandsaidI'mhavingissues,wellthisisaquickfix.

TamiMeraglia: Offthebooks.


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DaveAsprey: Yeah,itdoesn'treallymatterifyou'retiredrightnow,it'sjustnotgoingtomatter.Whataboutthoughtherestofthetimeforlibido?Ifyou'renotgoingtogoforthebigguns,whatareotherthingsthatwomen,ormen,butactuallylet'sstartwithwomen,becauseIhearthisalot.

TamiMeraglia: It'sdifferent.

DaveAsprey: There'salsoperimenopausalandpost-menopausal,versuspre-menopausal,anddifferentthingscontributetodifferentthings.Let'sjustansweritforwomenfirst,startpre-menopause,andthenperimenopause,andthenpost-menopause.Walkmethroughwhatlibidoadviceyouhaveforwomen,andthenwe'lldothesameformen.

TamiMeraglia: Iaskeverywomanthesamequestion,andthequestionis,whathappenstoyourlibidowhenyou'reonholidayandsomeoneiscooking,andsomeoneiscleaning,andyoudon'thaveanythingtodo,andyoucanwakeupandgotobed,andeverythingisfreedom?Iftheirresponseisohit'sfine,it'sperfectinthatenvironment,thenit'snotahormoneissue.Thenit'saenergyissue,whichcouldbehormonerelated,butit's...

DaveAsprey: Ifyoutoldmetogetahousekeeper,itwouldraiselibido,isthatwhatIheardyousay?

TamiMeraglia: Well,actuallyItellthemtochangethetimeoftheday,becausetheendofthedaywomenarelike,yeah,I'mdone.It's10o'clock,10.30,DrTamitoldmebutinbedby10o'clocktosavemyadrenals,goodnight.They'rereallynotattheirbest.Itellpeopleyourkidsgoingtohavetodotheirhomework,ordowhatevertheywantafterdinner,afterdinnerjustsneakoff,andhaveyourtime.Thenbedtimeroutineforthekids,andcleaningup,andallofthatcanhappenafterwards.Oranyothertime,somepeoplelikemornings.Endofthedayisaproblemforalotofwomen.Justtryswappingthetimeoftheday.Ifwomentellmenoit'sthesame,I'mnotinterestedwhetherI'monholiday.Thenit'sreallyahormoneissue.

DaveAsprey: Thatappliesforallthreeofthetimeswetalkedabout,pre,peri,andpost?

TamiMeraglia: Exactly.Funnyenough,DHEAisthemostsignificanthormoneinvolvedinwomen'slibido.It'sactuallybiggerthantestosterone.

DaveAsprey: Forallthewomenlisteningrightnow,Iwould,basedonpersonalexperiencetellyou,getyourlevelstestedbeforeyoubuythisoverthecountersupplement,okay?It'sareallypowerfulhormone.

TamiMeraglia: Yeah.

DaveAsprey: Ifyoudon'tneedit,don'ttakeit,please.Don'teventhinkaboutit.

TamiMeraglia: No.

DaveAsprey: Youmightdisagreewithme,butI'mjustlike...


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TamiMeraglia: Iamsuper-cautious,andyouwanttoknowthatyouroptimallevelsarebetween175and

330,sodon'tgobywhatnormalis.Normaljustmeansyou'redecliningattheagethatisexpectedofanoverweight,middleAmerican,eeuw.Youwanttogowithoptimalranges,andDHEAsulfateis175to330.

DaveAsprey: Forwomen,orformen?

TamiMeraglia: Forwomen,yeah.Formenitcangoupalittlebithigher.Youalwayshavetorememberthatyourbodymaystillbeintheoptimalrange,oreventhenormalrange,butitcouldbeonthelowerend.Whatwereyoutenyearsago?Maybeyoufeeldifferent.

DaveAsprey: Yeah,that'swhyyou[crosstalk00:49:36].

TamiMeraglia: Yeah,exactly.Maybeyouwereatthetopoftherangetenyearsago,andsoitdoesfeeldifferenttoyou.Yourregulardoctorisgoingtotellyouyou'refine,becauseyou'restillinthenormalrange,butyou'veactuallyhadabigdecrease,andthat'swhyyoufeeldifferent.Getthemtested.

DaveAsprey: There'stwokindsofDHEAyoucanbuy,ImeanyoucanbuytheseatWholefoods.Youcanbuytheseonline,they'recommonlyavailable.Oneiscalled7-KetoDHEA,theotheroneisjustregularDHEA.Doyouhaveapreferenceforwomenormen?

TamiMeraglia: Ifyouhaveapropensitytoacne,youshoulduse7-KetoDHEA,becausethefistside-effectIseeinmypatientswithtoomuchDHEA,ormaybenoteventoomuch,buttoomuchofanincreaseovernight,isacne.Idon'tcarewhoyouare,Irecommendyoustartoffwithfivemilligrams.Youcanalwaysgoup,butit'sreallyhardtohaveaside-effectandgookay,nowIhavetocompletelygetthisoutofmybody.Ihavetocleanseit,andthenstartover.Igeteverybodytostartlow,andgoslow.Youcan'tgofromthebottomofthebarreltothetopofthebarrelovernight.DHEAisgreat,but7-KetoDHEAifyouhaveapropensityforacne.

DaveAsprey: Allright.Whataboutinmen,forlibido,whatdoyourecommend?

TamiMeraglia: Testosterone.

DaveAsprey: Okay.

TamiMeraglia: It'sjustlike...There'swaysthatyoucanboostyourowntestosteronelevel.Mybookisallabout...Ifyouhaveverylowtestosterone,it'sawin,win,win.Weknowit'ssafeifyou'reworkingwithsomeonewho'scheckingtheconversiontoestrogen,andcheckingthethicknessoftheblood,andthosekindsofthings.

DaveAsprey: Alotofwomenatperimenopausestartgettingproblemswithosteoporosis.Tellmeabouttestosteroneversusaprescriptiondrug,likeFosamax.Noonewantsweakbones.

TamiMeraglia: StudiesoutofAustraliashowedthattestosteronewasthebestprescriptionfor


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osteoporosis,andnoside-effects.Ohwait,moreenergyisaside-effect,betterlibidoisaside-effect,bettermuscle/fatratioisaside-effect.Fosamaxhasaside-effectcallednecrosisofthejawbone.There'sno...

DaveAsprey: Isawthat,itwasonWalkingDead,totallyoneofthezombieshadthat.

TamiMeraglia: Yeah,right.It'sfrightening,andwhatwe'refindingoutnowisthatFosamaxisverysimilartothefluoridethatwehadbeengivenforourteeth.It'snotmakingstrongerteeth,it'smakingharderteeththatarecrackingandbreakinglaterinlife.It'snotstronger.We'refindingthattheFosamaxisdoingthesamething.Itgetsabetterdexascan,becauseitshowsupasharder,butit'snotstronger.Bonesactuallyhaveagivetoit,soit'snot...It'sfrightening.Ihavesomanypatientswhowehavereversedtheirosteoporosis.

DaveAsprey: Whatdoyourecommendintermsoffoods.Likegivemesomefoodsthatdiminishtestosterone?LikethingsIshouldnoteat.

TamiMeraglia: Sugar.Yourtestosteronewillgodownin30minutes.

DaveAsprey: Yeah.

TamiMeraglia: Justcrazy.Thenyou'lllovethis,becausethisnon-fatcrazethatpeoplewereonforsuchalongtime,that'stheworstthingthatyoucandoforyourbodytotryandmaketestosterone.Itneedsfat.Itneedsgoodfattomaketestosterone.It'sjustcrucial,andprotein.It'skindofaBulletproofdiet,isn'tit?

DaveAsprey: Itkindofmightbesomethinglikethat.Let'ssee,nosugar,lotsoffat.Idon'ttalkaboutthisoftenenough,butthefirstbookthatIwrote,fiveyearsofresearch,wastheBetterBabyBook,itwasaboutfemalefertility,andtosomeextent,malefertility.WeusedittorestoreLana'sfertility,shewasinfertilewhenwestartedwritingthebook.ThatknowledgeiswhatledtotheBulletproofdiet,it'sgothormonestuffbuiltintoit,andotherthingslikethat.It'skindofwhatworks.

TamiMeraglia: Yeah.

DaveAsprey: YouwritealotinTheHormoneSecretaboutsimilarthingslikethat.Iknowwe'vebothtalkedaboutsoyandBPA.IjustfoundaninterestingstudythatsaidsoyprotectsyoufromBPA.Atthatpoint,amIgoingtochoosetheeviloftwolessers?

TamiMeraglia: Iwasgoingtosay,wouldyoupreferthattothegunortheknife?

DaveAsprey: Exactly.Ithoughtthatwaskindofareallysneakysoymarketingtechnique.Yes,BPAisreallybad,andsoyisonlykindofbad.

TamiMeraglia: WellIhaveahugesectionaboutsoyinmybookTheHormoneSecret,it'slikeit'snotevenconsideredafoodproductinmanymarkets.Theydon'tevenhavetotrytogettoanystandardofquality.Then,wasn'titlikethefirstorsecondGMO?It'sjustlikethelistgoes


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DaveAsprey: Ohyeah,it'sbadonsomanylevels.There'sonepartofsoythatI'moftwomindsabout,andIwanttogetyouropiniononit.Thismightalittledetailed,soI'llexplainitforthepeoplelistening.There'skindofastickyfatthat'sinvolvedinmakingourcellmembranes,andsomeofourneurotransmitters,andit'scalledlecithin.Youcangetlecithinineggyolks,isactuallyoneofthebestplacesyoucangetthis.It'sreallyimportantforyourbody.Oneofthemostcommonsourcesoflecithinoutthere,andbytheway,you'llfindsmallamountsofit,ifit'snon-GMOthat'sbetter,butinsomechocolate,forinstance.Whatitdoesisitletsyoumixfats,it'sanemulsifier.Itlet'syoumixfatwithotherthings.

Ifyouwantlikeasmooth,creaminess,youaddjustatingeofthis,andifyouwanttohavealotofneurotransmitterscalledacetylcholine,wellthenlecithinisagreatcholinedonor.Ifyou'relookingtorebuildsomeofthetissuesinyourbody,gettingreallyhighdosesoflecithinintothebodyforawhileworks.Youcantakethegetsomeicecreamrecipethat'sinbothofthebooks,bothoftheBulletproofbooks,youmighthaveasimilaroneinTheHormoneSecret,Idon'trememberoffthetopofmyhead.Youcanactuallyaddsoylecithintothattogetmorelecithinintothebody.Youcanalsoaddsunflowerlecithin,whichmeansyourice-creamisgoingtotastelikecrap,butthenyouavoidedsoy.

Nowhere'smyquestionforyou,ifI'mgettingnon-GMO,soylecithin,whichdoescontainsomeisoflavones,butnotasmuch,amIreallydoingabadthingtomybody?GiventhatI'mgettingalotofgoodstuff,butI'mstillgettingsomesoy?Idon'tknowtheanswer,Ifigureit'sprobablyokay.

TamiMeraglia: Ithinkitdependsonratios.Likeifthatisthemajorityofyourdiet,allday,everyday,thenyou'regoingtotipthescales.

DaveAsprey: Thenyou'rescrewed.

TamiMeraglia: Inyoursituation,whereyou'reusingit,andit'savehicle,andit'sjustlikethiskindofhitchhiker,theisoflavonesareahitchhiker,thenyou'renotgettingalotofit.That'sthewholepointoflivingan80/20rule,iswhenyou'reoptimized,andyou'recontrollingandoptimizingasmuchasyoucan,yourbodycandealwiththatquiteabitbetter.Yay,getthelecithin,andthenthat'sjustthissidethingthatyourbodycandealwith.

DaveAsprey: Justtobereallyclear,ifyou'relisteningtothisandyou'relikewhattheheck?YoucanbuysoylecithinatWholefoods,atthevitaminshop,atanywhereonline,there'stonsofit.Ifyoudiddosoy,you'dwanttodonon-GMO.IfyoudomaketherecipeforGetSomeIce-Cream,ithasnineraw,pasturedeggyolksinit,whichareasuperiorsourceoflecithin,andithas,ifyouwanttoaddit,youcanaddacoupleoftablespoonsofsoylecithin,whichjustmakesitevencreamierandmoredelicious.Eitherwayit'sfulloflecithin,becausethat'spartofthereasonthatitworks.DrTami,Ithinkwetalkedaboutit,butthatrecipe...It'scalledGetSomeIce-Cream,becauseanhourafteryoueatityou'relike,IhaveeverybuildingblockIneedtomakeababy,maybeIshouldgotryitrightnow.Ithasanoticeableeffectonthelibido,justwhenyougetaburstofgoodfatinthebody.Itwasamazingto


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discoverthat.

TamiMeraglia: Ihaveaquestionforyou,whatdoyoudo...YouandIspeakandattendseveralconferencesayear,whatdoyoudowhenyou'reinthatlineforbreakfast,andyou'regettingsomeeggs,andbacon,andallkindsofyummystuffforyourbodytostarttheday.Whatdoyoudowhenyouhearsomebodyaheadofyouorderandeggwhiteomelette?

DaveAsprey: Well,Idon'tactuallywaitinthoselinesanymore,becauseIdoBulletproofcoffee.

TamiMeraglia: Youjustdoyourshake,and...

DaveAsprey: IdoBulletproofcoffeeintheroom.IhavetheBulletprooftravelmugthat'sfullysealed.Icarrybutter,Iputbutter,BrainOctane,andIbrewcoffeeintheroom.ThenI'mdone.Idon'tneedanyfooduntillunch,orafterlunch.Or,Igettosaythis,becauseit'sawesome,checkthisout.Youhaven'tevenseenthisyet,thisiscalledInstamix.Thesearepackets,justmadethisstuff.Youtakeoneofthese,it'sgotthebutter,it'sgottheBrainOctane,andyoujustputitinyourblackcoffee.Ijustbrewthecoffeeintheroom...

TamiMeraglia: Ohmygod!

DaveAsprey: Youshakeitup,andI'mdone.That'swhatIdo.

TamiMeraglia: That'ssogreat.

DaveAsprey: IfIwasinline,andIwasgoingtohavebreakfast,Iwouldbelike,canIhavetheireggyolks.Idon'twanteggwhites,that'sdisgusting.

TamiMeraglia: Iknow,right?

DaveAsprey: Youshouldtaketheeggwhites,andyoushouldliterallyfeedthemtothepigthat'sgoingtomakethebacon.

TamiMeraglia: IfeelsolikeIdon'twanttolikebutin,butIfeellikegrabbingthemandsayingyousothinkyou'rebeinghealthy,butyou'redoingtheexactoppositething.

DaveAsprey: Youknowwhatyoucouldsay,thisiskindofmean,butitworks,you'relikeexcuseme,youlookreallyold,isitbecauseoftheeggwhites?I'mkidding,Iwouldn'tdothat.

TamiMeraglia: That'sterrible.

DaveAsprey: Iwouldn'treallydothat,becausethatwouldbemean.

TamiMeraglia: DidIshowyouthepictureofmydaughtermakingherownshake?

DaveAsprey: No.


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TamiMeraglia: I'mgoingtoshowitonthis,because...Canyouseewhatshe'sholding?

DaveAsprey: Ohmygoodness,she'sholdingabigbottleofBrainOctane,ohthat'ssocute.ShowittobothcamerassopeoplecanseeitonYouTube.BulletproofExec.com/YouTubewilltakeyoutothechannel.

TamiMeraglia: Isn'tthatawesome?

DaveAsprey: Thatissocute.

TamiMeraglia: Wemakehercoffeeinthemorning.YouandIarethefewpeopleintheworldthatfeedourkidscoffee.Shesaysmommy...

DaveAsprey: Anounceofcoffeeissogoodforthem.

TamiMeraglia: ...thiscoffeetastesweird,she'slike,didyouforgetmyBrainOctane?

DaveAsprey: No.

TamiMeraglia: Yes.LikeI'mgoingtohavetogetDavetopayyoutobeonanad.

DaveAsprey: That'ssocute.

TamiMeraglia: Yeah.

DaveAsprey: Itellyou,mykidsbehavesomuchbetter,they'resomuchmorefocusedwhentheyjusthavetheenergyinthebrain.Fatforkids,theirhormonesaren'tevenonlineyet,buttheirbodiesarechangingsomuchthatthefatthatyoueatasamotherwhenyou'rebreastfeedingissoimportant.Youdon'teatdamagedfats,youwanttogiveyourkidsgoodfats.Ifyoudothat,theirchancesofhavinghealthyhormoneswhenthey'regoingthroughpuberty,andintherestoflife,itgoesupdramatically.Whenyoujustgivekidsfat.

TamiMeraglia: Yeah,beforeImetyou,yearsandyearsago,myolderdaughterwhois11,usedtojusteatbutter.Everybodywouldbelikeyoushouldstopher.Youknow,kidskindofjustknowwhattheyneed,theremustbesomethingintherethatsheneeds,I'mfinewithit.She'snotobese,shedoesn'thavehealthproblems,haveatit.Shejustloveditwhenshewasyoung.

DaveAsprey: WhatIlearnedisthatwe'veallhadkidswhosayI'mnotgoingtoeatthat,right?Ifit'sbeforesixyearsold,it'susuallynotthatI'mrebelling,sortofthing,it'sactuallytheirbodytellingthemthattheydon'twanttoeatit.MostofthetimewhenImademykidseatsomethingthattheysaidtheydidn'twantwhentheywerereallyyoung,Iregrettedit.They'dbelike...theygotarash,theywerefussy,theywerewhiny.Theyhaveabuilt-inradaraboutfoods.Conversely,ifthey'relikeImusthavethat,andit'snotsugar,becausetheygethookedonsugarlikeeveryone.Imusthavethat.Really?Youwantedthe90percentdarkchocolate?Fineyoucanhavealittlebit,butnotbeforebed.Youwantedtoeatastickofbutter?


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WhenAnnawasthree,shesatonSanta'slapforthefirsttimeatthelocalthing,andhe

sayswhatdoyouwantforChristmaslittlegirl?Shegoes,Iwantmyownstickofsalty,grass-fedbutter.SantalooksatmelikeI'msomekindofbadparent.I'mlikeyeah.Hegoesokaylittlegirl.Christmasmorningshehasherbike,andallthisstuff,shetakesthelittlestickofKerrygoldbutter,andsheunwrapsitandsheholdsitaboveherhead,andsherunsaroundthehouselikeanOlympictorch.ShetearsoffthetopandshetakesabitelikeaSnickersbar.Shekeptitinthefridgeandanytimeshewantedshecouldopenthedoorandjusttakeabite.Iswearthatthelevelofjoythatthatstickofbutterbrought,waslikeokay,that'swhatherbodyneeds,I'mnotjudging.It'stotallycool.

TamiMeraglia: Well,youknow,Ilovethatyouwerelisteningtoyourkids.Itellmyparentpatientsyourchildneeds13tastesbeforetheyreallyknowwhethertheylikesomething.Iencourageyoutoifthey'reonlylikingwhitefood,whitepasta,whiteeverything,thenmaybetheirtastebudsarealreadyruined,soyouneedtoencouragethem.Ifeelreally,reallybad,Iforcedmydaughterwhenshewasreallyyoungtoeatsalmon,becauselikesalmon,right?

DaveAsprey: Right.

TamiMeraglia: Shethrewup.

DaveAsprey: Ohno.

TamiMeraglia: Iknow,it'slikeherbody,uh-uh,thisisnotforus.Yeah,thereissomethingtobesaidaboutthatinnateknowledge.

DaveAsprey: Yeah,there'salsosomethingtobesaidaboutgettingusedtoeatingreallygoodfoods.Mysonwascomplainingaboutbreakfastatsomepoint.DrLanagetsalittlebitfrustratedandshegoes,look,somekidsaren'tsoluckytohaveamothermakethemahotbreakfastbeforeschool.

TamiMeraglia: True.

DaveAsprey: Somekidsonlygetanapplebeforeschool.Helookskindofconfused,andsomekidsdon'tgetanythingbeforeschool.Helookshorrified,hegoes,youmeantheirmommiesdon'tmakethembaconandduckeggs?Duckeggs.

TamiMeraglia: Mygosh.

DaveAsprey: Wehaveaduckfarmnearby,wegetduckeggs,andthey'rehugeyolks,andthey'recreamyanddelicious.Likethelevelofexpectation,justtotakethatforgranted.It'sprettyfunny,butyouteachyourkidstolikewhattheylike,andtheywilltellyouifit'snotokay.

TamiMeraglia: Yeah.

DaveAsprey: Wegotoffthetopicofhormones,becausefatmakeshormones,andyougottofeedkids


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fatsotheycanmakehormones.

TamiMeraglia: Right,andthelecithin.

DaveAsprey: Yeah.We'recomingupontheendoftheshow,andIwanttoaskacouplemorequestions.Oneofthemisifsomeoneislookingforadoctorwhocanhelpthemwithhormones,besidesyou,whatarethethreequestionsthattheyshouldaskadoctortojustknowthatthey'redealingwiththerightperson?

TamiMeraglia: Beforeyou'reaskingthequestions,youneedtoembracethefactthatyourdoctorworksforyou,andyoucanfireyourdoctor.Youknow?

DaveAsprey: It'sliberating.You'refired.I'vesaidthat.

TamiMeraglia: Yeah,exactly,youaretheCEOofyourownhealth,andyoumaketheexecutivedecisionswiththeguidanceofsomebody.You'retheCEOofyourcompany,butyoumightnotknowalltheminutiaabouteverydetailofeveryavenue.Youmightnotknowthemakingsofthenewequipmentthatgoinyourrestaurant.Youjustknowithastobethere.Youtrustthatthatexpertoverthereishandlingthat,that'sthesameway.Yourdoctoristheexpert,butyouaretheCEO.Embracethefactthatyoucanfireyourdoctoratanytime,andgolooking.Thenaskyourdoctoronefirstquestion.That'sreallyallyouneedtoknowwhetheryoushouldwalkoutthedoor,orstayandasktherest.Whateffectdoesnutritionhaveonmyhealth?Ifthedoctorsaysnone,leave.Realsimple.

DaveAsprey: Itshouldbereallyeasy,becausethedoctorshouldbe40poundsoverweightiftheyanswerthatway.

TamiMeraglia: Notalways.

DaveAsprey: Justkidding.

TamiMeraglia: Thesecondquestionis,whatdoyouthinkaboutthedifferencebetweennormallabranges,andoptimallabranges?That'sgoingtosaydotheyevenknowwhatthatis?Aretheyeducatedaboutit?Cantheylookatmefromanoptimalpointofview?ThenthethirdiswhatdoyoudoifwhatI'mtellingyou,doesn'tmatchthelabresults?What'smoreimportant,whatI'mtellingyou,orwhatthelabsays?Forexample,ifyousayI'mconstipated,myskinisdry,I'mexhausted,andI'moverweight,butmythyroidtestisnormal.Whodoyoutrust?Thepatient.

DaveAsprey: Thatisaseriouslylegitimatelistofquestions,I'veneverheardanyonesayitthatway,butthatisprobablythebestsortingfactorIcanthinkof.Ifyoumissthose,thefulltranscriptforthisisfreeontheBulletproofwebsite,soyou'llbeabletogoup,andIwouldactuallyprintoutacopyandpastethosethings.Literallyhavethemonyourphone,orprintthemoutandaskyourdoctorthat.Ifullyendorsethosequestions,thatisreallyelegant,sothankyouforthat.


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TamiMeraglia: Happytoshare.

DaveAsprey: NowthefinalquestionIwanttoaskyouis,ifsomeonecametoyoutomorrow,inyourpracticeornot,andjustsaidIwanttokickassateverythingIdo,whatarethethreethingsIneedtoknow?Thethreemostimportantpiecesofadviceyouhaveforme,whatwouldyousay?

TamiMeraglia: Hormonesfirst.Hormonesallowyoutofunctiondifferently,andtheyallowyoutohaveyourenergyataplacewhereyoucanpickyournutritionbetter.You'llhaveenergytocook.Firstofallgetyourhormoneschecked,andmakesureyou'reintheoptimalrange.Rememberyourhormonesareasymphony,theyallhavetoworktogether.Don'tpickandchoose,don'tjustpickyourtestosteronebecauseyouwanttobebuff,andenergetic,orwhatever.Youhavetolookatthemall.Theyallworktogether.

Thesecondthingisnutrition.Whatyoueatalldaylongmatters,andevenmoreimportantly,andthisissomethingthatIcan'tstressenough,andIdon'tknowverymanypeoplewhotalkaboutit,iswhenyoueatmatters.Youhavegottohonoryourcircadianrhythm,you'vegottostartyourdaywithsomething.Whetherit'sputtingproteininyourcoffee,orhavingashake,orhavingeggsyou'vegottostartyourdaywithprotein.Thenthesecondimportantpartisthatafternoonsnack,whereyou'renaturallyhavinganadrenaldip,butyoudon'twantthediptobeadive.Youwanttohaveanothersnackthere,sowhenyoueatisjustasimportantaswhatyoueat.

Thenthethirdthingissleep.Onlylessthan10percentofusthriveonsixorlesshoursofsleep.Youmightbeoneofthem,you'relisteningtothis,asyouknow,thisisme,that'sgreat.Themajorityofus,ourbrainsliterallyshrinkinsizeifwegetlessthansevenhoursofsleepanight.Insomethings,sizematters,andyourbrainisoneofthem.

DaveAsprey: Benignshrinkageisnotsomethinganyofuswant.

TamiMeraglia: No.That'sgood.

DaveAsprey: Onthatnote,wherecanpeoplefindoutmoreaboutyourbook,andaboutyourpractice?

TamiMeraglia: Ihaveawebsite,it'sDrTami.com,andifanybodyisinterestedinthemembershipthatweweretalkingabout,andhavingavirtualappointment,theycanemailusatsupport@drtami.com.Wehaveanumberofpractitionershere,soIjusthiredabrandnewpractitioneraftertrainingherforoversixmonths.Shewasn'tallowedtoseeanypatientsforsixmonths.Nowshe'sready,andshe'sgotacoupleofappointmentsavailable,sowe'rereadyforsomemorepatients,andreadytochangesomelives.

DaveAsprey: Cool.Haveanawesomeday.ThanksforbeingonBulletproofradio.

TamiMeraglia: Youtoo,andIjustwantedtodoaplugaboutyourcookbook,becauseInowhaveasignaturesaladatmyhouse,anditsfromyourbook.It'sthearugulaone,withthepearsand...


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DaveAsprey: Thechocolateone?

TamiMeraglia: Ohmygosh.

DaveAsprey: Thatwasthemostsurprisingrecipeever,that'ssocoolyoumadethatone.

TamiMeraglia: Absolutely,ifyourlistenersdon'thaveyourcookbook,theyneedtogetitjustforthat

recipe,it'samazing.

DaveAsprey: Beautiful.

TamiMeraglia: Thanksforyourtime.

DaveAsprey: ThanksDrTami,bye.

TamiMeraglia: Bye.

DaveAsprey: Ifyoulikedtoday'sshow,youknowwhattodo,headonovertoiTunes,andsayhey,Ilikedthisshow.Whileyou'reatit,youmightconsiderheadingovertotheBulletproofwebsiteandcheckingoutourbrandnewInstamix.ThisactuallyjustarrivedatmyhousebyspecialovernightdeliverysoIcouldshootavideoofit.Itliterallyjustcameout,checkthisout.It'slikereal,it'samazing,andyou'regettingyourBrainOctane,andyourbutter,andallthegoodstuff,andit'sportable,andit'snotliquid.Whichmeansyouprobablywon'tspillit,butitalsomeansthatTSAwon'tharassyouaboutit,andyou'vegotyourbutterwithyou,andit'sshelf-stable,itdoesn'tneedarefrigerator.Thisisdestinedtochangethefutureofyourtravel.Youdothis,andtheBulletproofcollagenbars,andwhatyou'vegotisprettymuchfreedomfromfastfoodfortherestofyourlife.Haveanawesomeday.

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