Ukedchat Archive 12 Jan 2012

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Thursday 12th January 2012

Hosted by @danhaeslerWhat is the Purpose of Education?

mrpeel 20:07 @danhaesler #ukedchat here and now - if short term equates with

exams and uni - sad. longer term must be about life

philallman1 20:07 #ukedchat we are enthusing the children of today to be the movers

and shakers of tomorrow. Removing glass ceilings to their capability.

deborahrecord 20:08to develop skills which will enable chn to differentiate and addressinformation critically to build knowledge and understanding

#ukedchat

mrpeel 20:08RT @derekwingrove: is this to suggest that pre league tables this was

impossible? #ukedchat

ePaceonline 20:08

RT @cherrylkd: #ukedchat purpose of ed is to equip ch with skills to

be life long learners with confidence to try new things & learn from

mistakes.

liz21cln 20:08I agree with this... @deborahrecord: purpose is to help people

achieve their potential #ukedchat"

ukedchat 20:08 #ukedchat now.."As a teacher. what do you see the purpose ofeducation as being?" with @danhaesler

danhaesler 20:08Why is it that Govt's view of education is so far removed to that of

the profession? #ukedchat

philallman1 20:08@derekwingrove except exams don't show strengths do they, they

show you can pass a test #ukedchat

PeterSpencer88 20:08 #ukedchat the problem with the condem govt is that they are all

about results and not about ensuring the best start for every child

jwinchester25 20:08 the purpose of education - to prepare students for lifelong learning

and coping with the trials & tribulations of the real world #ukedchat

cherrylkd 20:08 #ukedchat purpose of ed is to equip ch with skills to be life long

learners with confidence to try new things & learn from mistakes.

hip_teacher 20:09Always good to see de bono get an early mention #ukedchat #aces

danhaesler 20:09

RT @TommyTeachPE: I think it is prudent to ask what is the nature of

education as well as the purpose. Do people think they are the

same? #ukedchat

NuttyA10 20:09

@danhaesler Poss because many of them went to sch in the past &

haven't moved on #ukedchat

TommyTeachPE 20:09 I think it is prudent to ask what is the nature of education as well as

the purpose. Do people think they are the same? #ukedchat

headteacher01 20:10Who should determine the purpose? Parents, pupils? #ukedchat

Educationchat 20:10

RT @davidErogers: Gove isn't in my classroom and we shouldn't do

anything for politicians or ofsted but cos it's the right thing to do

#ukedchat

ICTwitz 20:10@TommyTeachPE No I don't. I think they're two completely different

political beasts #ukedchat

philallman1 20:10@derekwingrove competency based curricula are the most effective

the world over #ukedchat

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thisisliamm 20:11@ukedchat #ukedchat - To equip children with relevant and required

skills for the world they will enter as an adult.

LearningSpy 20:11#UKedchat the purpose of education is to civilize - to prepare

individuals to benefit society. Or something

danhaesler 20:11@NuttyA10 But didn't we all go to school in the past? #ukedchat

riley_ed 20:11 @jwinchester25 Well said, couldn't have put it better myself#ukedchat

mrpeel 20:11

#ukedchat i teach with the hope that some students will question

accepted platitudes and form their own opinions after engaging in

thought

LearningSpy 20:12@mrpeel Being good at exams shows that you're good at exams.

Little else #ukedchat

Educationchat 20:12 Education is and always will be a political football. Governments use

schools to try and clean up society's mess. #ukedchat

SheilaSpeaking 20:12 RT @ukedchat: #ukedchat now.."As a teacher. what do you see thepurpose of education as being?" with @danhaesler

ScratchEdTeam 20:12

RT @chrismayoh: Had a great 'Introduction to Scratch' lesson with

Year 6 this afternoon. Think they're going to enjoy this one! #GBL

#Scratch #ukedchat

In2schools 20:12RT @danhaesler: As teachers what do YOU see the purpose of

education as being? #ukedchat

derekwingrove 20:12@philallman1 how do you measure the children's competency?

#ukedchat

jwinchester25 20:12 @riley_ed thanks!! #ukedchat

mrpeel 20:12@derekwingrove #ukedchat agree, but exam results show learning,

not nec abilities

NuttyA10 20:12 @danhaesler We did but we keep in touch because we work in an

edn system daily, how many govt officials keep in touch? #ukedchat

danhaesler 20:12

RT @NuttyA10: Why does govt agenda appear so far removed from

edn, is it cause MPs work in a job far removed from true society?

They lose touch? #ukedchat

Babbleaboutbks 20:13Might it be easier to say what the purpose of education is NOT to be?

#ukedchat

LearningSpy 20:13

@derekwingrove It's an old chestnut, but not everything that counts

can be measured and not everything that can be measured counts#ukedchat

Bectully 20:13

In secondary ed, many purposes as many subjects-Common themes

are always self esteem, aspiration & loving learning now & in future

#Ukedchat

mrpeel 20:13@headteacher01 #ukedchat not govt. schools freer to make clear

ethos and parents freer to choose...

Educationchat 20:13

Government's can't tell parents what to do because they want their

vote and parents won't listen anyway, but can tell teachers!

#ukedchat

NuttyA10 20:13 @danhaesler Many MPs/govt officials have opinion of well we went

to school 1 day but it has changed, society has changed. #ukedchat

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LearningSpy 20:14@PeterSpencer88 Yes and Ofsted inspectors that had to be current

teachers #ukedchat

jamesdhobsonuk 20:14Purpose of ed:to allow the privileged to get further ahead ( at least

that what it often feels like!) #ukedchat

Babbleaboutbks 20:14

RT @In2schools: To teach children to be critical thinkers, confident in

being who they are, active learners and happy- just a small order

#ukedchat

derekwingrove 20:14@mrpeel but exams can show abilities, e.g. driving test or CORGI

#ukedchat

MrsWhites_Class 20:14

RT @LearningSpy: @derekwingrove It's an old chestnut, but not

everything that counts can be measured and not everything that can

be measured counts #ukedchat

chrismayoh 20:14Surely education is about helping to instill in pupils a genuine passion

for learning? #ukedchat

In2schools 20:14 To teach children to be critical thinkers, confident in being who they

are, active learners and happy- just a small order #ukedchatphilallman1 20:14

@danhaesler children need to thrive in their environment. Narrow

curricular objectives do not do that. #ukedchat

PeterSpencer88 20:14

@danhaesler Wouldn't it be great to have MPs and education

secretaries that had been teachers or worked in ed sector?

#ukedchat

danhaesler 20:14




cherrylkd 20:15

@NuttyA10 @danhaesler #ukedchat That's why they think they're

experts. They went to school once. Society has moved on & so has

education

mlovatt1 20:15 RT @alatalite: If any of #ukedchat are interested I've stuck up a few

of my presentations on learning, coaching how page of my blog

jwinchester25 20:15@derekwingrove @philallman1 Managing Situations, Citizenship and

Learning 2/2 #ukedchat

jwinchester25 20:15 @derekwingrove @philallman1 we have competency framework in

SEN based on comps for Life, Relating to People, 1/2 #ukedchat

Nevbar1 20:15

Improve numeracy with 7 Cs http://t.co/5PppDtZJ #education

#edchat #ukedchat

NuttyA10 20:16@cherrylkd @danhaesler & they often don't remember that. Have

attitude well it worked for us but did it?! #ukedchat

Bectully 20:16

In my classroom-drama studio-portercabin, Students learn to

understand society and its issues, appreciate art form and know

selves #UKEDCHAT

oldandrewuk 20:16#ukedchat Right. The purpose of education is to make people

smarter. This should be obvious.

chrismayoh 20:16 @In2schools I suppose you could say that, yes #ukedchat

philallman1 20:16

@derekwingrove you don't need to measure everything but if you

need to look at CEA Personalisation by Pieces. Works for me!#ukedchat

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Heatherleatt 20:16RT @Babbleaboutbks: Might it be easier to say what the purpose of

education is NOT to be? #ukedchat

ukedchat 20:16 Session 80 - As a teacher, what do you see the purpose of education

as being? http://t.co/2syKQr3w ukedchat's Space {{#ukedchat}}

mrpeel 20:16 @derekwingrove #ukedchat practical exams in practical areas -agreed - music/drama/art, too, but not in many classroom areas

HemBem 20:16HELP! Tips how to encourage quiet & not v confident #ESL students

to speak more? #tlchat #ukedchat #ESOL #TEFL

liz21cln 20:16 #ukedchat Historically, no education meant no way out of poverty.

So education has to be partly about breaking the poverty trap?

GaryAveryICT 20:16 Education = 'capacity'.. to improve, to aspire, to know, to develop, to

question, to evaluate, to reflect, to . fill as required #ukedchat

In2schools 20:16@chrismayoh think they have the passion before they start formaleducation- surely role is to maintain as oppose to kill it off?!

#ukedchat

LearningSpy 20:16@jamesdhobsonuk That's the purpose of private education

#ukedchat

Heatherleatt 20:17 @LearningSpy @PeterSpencer88 current cohort of trainee inspectors

are either serving teachers or those recently in teaching #ukedchat

oldandrewuk 20:17#ukedchat I suspect doctors don't agonise over the purpose of

medicine. It's to make people well.

headteacher01 20:17@mrpeel parents often see happiness as the main measure of a

successful school. #ukedchat

LearningSpy 20:17 @GeogJo Which is interesting because the real purpose of education

is to civilize - to prepare individuals to benefit society #ukedchat

jackieschneider 20:18#ukedchat - giant child minding service to allow parents to go out &

be productive?

captainrobs 20:18 RT @oldandrewuk: #ukedchat Right. The purpose of education is to

make people smarter. This should be obvious.

mrpeel 20:18 RT @NuttyA10: @cherrylkd @danhaesler #ukedchat society movesfaster than edu - we need to prepare them for all eventualities

LearningSpy 20:18 @oldandrewuk certainly not the motivation behind state education -

it's to create a useful workforce. THAT should be obvious #ukedchat

TommyTeachPE 20:18 ask youself, does the nature of my job meet the purpose of what I

think I am doing it for? if no, we need to close the gap #ukedchat

danhaesler 20:18 What do today's parents see the purpose of education as being?

Would they stand for a big shift? Do they want a shift? #ukedchat

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NuttyA10 20:18 RT @oldandrewuk: #ukedchat I suspect doctors don't agonise over

the purpose of medicine. It's to make people well.

LearningSpy 20:19@Heatherleatt About time, but recently isn't good enough #ukedchat

Heatherleatt 20:19

#ukedchat purpose of edu is to motivate & enthuse people to want

to learn; to explore; be creative & imaginative. To fulfill theirpotential

ICTwitz 20:19@danhaesler #ukedchat Society sees children as an add on! Forget

parental responsibilities, expect state to child-mind!

mrpeel 20:19 @captainrobs #ukedchat to make them more dapper?

JazzieDe 20:19@Bectully Sounds like learning that will last in an ever changing

world #ukedchat We need more of that!

danhaesler 20:19@oldandrewuk @captainrobs can you make someone "smarter?"

What does that mean? #ukedchat

LearningSpy 20:19@oldandrewuk But is it? I'd say it's make us feel better. Not quite the

same #ukedchatjohnmclear 20:19

@oldandrewuk Actually being a doctor is also about preventing

people from being ill.. #ukedchat

mattbuxton10 20:19Isn't it so that kids know stuff, and then can use this stuff to figure

out more stuff? #ukedchat

davidwebster 20:19 @bucharesttutor always law-abiding? maybe make them able to

judge for themselves whether they should obey laws? #ukedchat

In2schools 20:20@danhaesler Unfortunately agree with @jackieschneider Shift would

need to be massive, not big #ukedchat

danhaesler 20:20I'm still wondering how on earth we can tell if our students are

"reaching their potential" #ukedchat

GaryAveryICT 20:20

Aren't we also preparing children for jobs that might not even be

around yet.. Who knows what skills they'll need in 10 years time

#ukedchat

Crewepartner 20:20why maths and science are important in Crewe #ukedchat

http://t.co/M5bAlLUO

johnmclear 20:20 @jackieschneider #ukedchat oooooooo, brutal ;)

Babbleaboutbks 20:20

RT @Heatherleatt: #ukedchat purpose of edu is to motivate &

enthuse people to want to learn; to explore; be creative &

imaginative. To fulfill their potential

headteacher01 20:21 > unfortunately yes RT @jackieschneider #ukedchat - giant child

minding service to allow parents to go out & be productive?

BrightAire 20:21Purpose is to equip people to be happy and contribute to a changing

world. #ukedchat

LearningSpy 20:21 RT @mrpeel: @captainrobs #ukedchat to make them more dapper?

Ha! This *should* be the purpose of education perhaps

In2schools 20:21




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jamesdhobsonuk 20:21

RT @oldandrewuk: #ukedchat Schools are not orphanages for

children with parents. Nor are they amusement parks, training camps

or a job training scheme.

jamesdhobsonuk 20:21ukedchat;education creates choices;choices are a substantial type of

freedom

LearningSpy 20:21@danhaesler If it means 'more intelligent' then Dweck's research

suggests you can make people smarter #ukedchat

mrpeel 20:21@danhaesler #ukedchat no you can't - you can increase knowledge

and try to show how to use it

oldandrewuk 20:21 #ukedchat Schools are not orphanages for children with parents. Nor

are they amusement parks, training camps or a job training scheme.

bucharesttutor 20:21@davidwebster well law abiding I meant showing the differences

between right and wrong #ukedchat

sanabituranima 20:22RT @mrpeel: @danhaesler #ukedchat no you can't - you can

increase knowledge and try to show how to use it

sanabituranima 20:22 RT @LearningSpy: @danhaesler If it means 'more intelligent' then

Dweck's research suggests you can make people smarter #ukedchat

ejw232 20:22@GaryAveryICT this is so true. Education needs to continually adapt

and change #ukedchat

NessainBath 20:22




mrpeel 20:22@danhaesler #ukedchat i cant - not even allowed to set my own

predicted grades any more...

oldandrewuk 20:22 #ukedchat Also we know what makes people smarter: knowledge (in

the broad sense which includes fluency and understanding).

captainrobs 20:22 Right #ukedchat , I had a bad day teaching supply in Primary. Class do

not respond to usual rules/expectations. What should I do next time?

informed_edu 20:22




jamesdhobsonuk 20:22#ukedchat;education creates choices;choices are a substantial type

of freedom

jasminedwyer 20:22#ukedchat Educn is society's biggest investment! Imagine Govt offuture wd b ur past pupils so wd actually use & engage with ur vision

today

JamiePortman 20:23

Any schools targeting low level student disruption in class? Be

interested to hear about whole school approaches #edchat

#ukedchat

oldandrewuk 20:23

#ukedchat So education is about passing on knowledge, and that

should be the best of what has been thought or known in our

culture.

davidhunter 20:23

RT @Educationchat: Education is and always will be a political

football. Governments use schools to try and clean up society's mess.#ukedchat

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danhaesler 20:23

RT @Bectully: I'm still wondering if I can acurately gauge someone's

potential... mine even? Dylan Moran says potential is a dirty word...

#Ukedchat

VanessaAKnox 20:23




captainrobs 20:23 @captainrobs #ukedchat Please bear in mind, I have never hadbehaviour issues like the ones I had before.

jackieschneider 20:23

#ukedchat - a way of ensuring kids know their place in society?

Working class kids get ready for service industries, public sch kids

rule

danhaesler 20:23 RT @LearningSpy: @danhaesler If it means 'more intelligent' then

Dweck's research suggests you can make people smarter #ukedchat

Bectully 20:23 I'm still wondering if I can acurately gauge someone's potential...

mine even? Dylan Moran says potential is a dirty word... #Ukedchat

chrismayoh 20:24

Knowledge is an interesting one now though. What IS knowledge

when I can find the answer to anything on Google in seconds?

#ukedchat

Babbleaboutbks 20:24Maybe someone should ask the Finnish Education Minister what he

thinks about the purpose of education?? #ukedchat

IRIS_Connect 20:24 We can really teach creativity but provide the environment to

encourage and stimulate creativity #futureteched #ukedchat

danhaesler 20:24 If education is just about passing on knowledge - How long before

teachers are no longer required. Mr Google? #ukedchat

90_maz 20:24 #ukedchat surely it's about teaching basic skills needed to live as a

member of society.literate, numerate and questioning

Heatherleatt 20:24

#ukedchat To be able to thrive and be a part of society, everyone

needs to be literate & numerate. We need to teach kids that as a

minimum

MissSMerrill 20:24 Education is about nurturing young minds. Inspiring them and giving

the power and capacity to be successful adults. #ukedchat

JazzieDe 20:24@ejw232 So do the people educating what happens if they can't do itquick enough ? #ukedchat

mrpeel 20:24

#ukedchat anyone worry that though we impart knowledge to best

of our ability, language is such an imprecise medium for

transmission?

mattbuxton10 20:24

@deborahrecord Yes, know things leads to development of skills

which leads to knowing more things, and so on indefinitely?!?

#ukedchat

LearningSpy 20:24 @GaryAveryICT No. This is a myth! #ukedchat

danhaesler 20:25 RT @ICTwitz: @danhaesler I think the role and expectation of theteacher will need to change to help facilitate learning. #ukedchat

ejw232 20:25 @jackieschneider ooooh, I hope we don't do this. #ukedchat

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davidhunter 20:25 Funny.All this has inspired me to start a blog (a first).My only rule is

keep it under 200 words. http://t.co/enKrUHfZ #ukedchat

ICTwitz 20:25@danhaesler I think the role and expectation of the teacher will need

to change to help facilitate learning. #ukedchat

ClaireJoanneICT 20:25 @GaryAveryICT Yes this is difficult to cater for #ukedchat

In2schools 20:25 Anyone read 'Momo' by Michael Ende? Very relevant to discussion re

adults not having proper time for kids #ukedchat

comtessa69 20:25




PhilWheeler1 20:25

RT @ICTwitz: #ukedchat The purpose of education is surely to

prepare pupils for their lives in the future. Not government agendas

today!

EmathsUK 20:25 #ukedchat purpose is to equip everyone to be able to lead successfullives in which they positively contribute to society

philallman1 20:25 @oldandrewuk but knowledge is fixed in a point in time without

context and skills to develop for the future. #ukedchat

TommyTeachPE 20:26 @danhaesler totally understand, I'm a PE teacher who thinks all his

pupils to the olympics, do pupils have a learning ceiling? #ukedchat

BobbyCarrot8 20:26

RT @JamiePortman: Any schools targeting low level student

disruption in class? Be interested to hear about whole school

approaches #edchat #ukedchat

danhaesler 20:26Surely teachers will alsways be the channel through which kids truly

"engage" #ukedchat

HelenaPielichat 20:26




90_maz 20:26 @chrismayoh can google teach you to read? #ukedchat

mattbuxton10 20:26

@ejw232 Absolutely, without knowing in 1st place is very difficult to

want/be able to know more, nor add to it with what they want

#ukedchat

oldandrewuk 20:26

#ukedchat Or at greater length: http://t.co/8LyoADJE

http://t.co/SrqZPptU http://t.co/VPBBdFVt http://t.co/ThV4QdsKhttp://t.co/xhoK94V2

MissSMerrill 20:26 #ukedchat education is about enabling children to understand the

world around them and giving them the tools to survive in it.

NuttyA10 20:26@ICTwitz @danhaesler And if they don't then no longer required?

#ukedchat

GaryAveryICT 20:26Knowledge is not learning... #ukedchat Just because I know

something doesn't mean i'm educates

EduSum 20:26 @Bectully @danhaesler can't determine own or others potential, Idon't believe. Setting unrealistic goals if we claim to. #ukedchat

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jwinchester25 20:26@danhaesler but teachers are there to support learning not just pass

on knowledge.#ukedchat

jodie_gardiner 20:26




BrightAire 20:27 @LearningSpy @mrpeel @captainrobs - Sartorial Studies sounds likea Gove initiative if ever there was one #ukedchat

riley_ed 20:27 #ukedchat Economics once taught me that education either develops

productivity or acts as a signal for future productivity. Controversial!

jamesdhobsonuk 20:27

#ukedchat Passing on knowledge, beyond some basics, is a gamble.

What knowledge will matter in 10,50 years? Pass on ability to acquire

+use

NuttyA10 20:27

@danhaesler But if there are things like internet that teaches

knowledge & that's what edn is about then tchrs not needed?

#ukedchat

newmoonuk 20:27




Heatherleatt 20:27

#ukedchat Interesting to define knowledge and what we believe is

essential. This differs from country to country; govt to govt, who

decides?

mrpeel 20:27 @chrismayoh #ukedchat knowledge helps you work out which of

million answers are useful - not to take at face value

SheliBB 20:27

@danhaesler to help children learn about our cultural heritage, to

develop good moral values and a passion for lifelong learning

#ukedchat

ejw232 20:27

@chrismayoh Exactly. Gone are the days where teacher was font of

all knowledge.Show students how to learn, why to learn etc

#ukedchat

In2schools 20:27 @EmathsUK How do you define successful? #ukedchat

TommyTeachPE 20:27@danhaesler and if they do hoe do we work it out? #ukedchat

jackieschneider 20:27 #ukedchat - despite my last tweets I passionately believe ed can be

transformative BUT we teachers need to be aware of big picture

GaryAveryICT 20:27doesn't it? #ukedchat ... plainly I need to be educated how to type

again!

JackHart67 20:27




headteacher01 20:27@Bectully potential suggests a fixed limit, Dwek suggests a growth

model. We try to use that idea #ukedchat

ICTwitz 20:27 @NuttyA10 Not in same capacity, possibly! #ukedchat

GaryAveryICT 20:28@NuttyA10 If you are promoting 'deeper learning' I thnk thats true

#ukedchat

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SheliBB 20:28 #ukedchat to celebrate difference and value other's contributions; to

know their strengths and have the desire to improve weaknesses

davidhunter 20:28

We measure a country's success on GDP.I therefore contend the

purpose of ed is to compete on a global level #ukedchat

#devilsadvocate

In2schools 20:28 @MissSMerrill Perhaps we want them to do more than survive it-

change it, be critical of it, enjoy it? Some ideas! #ukedchat

oldandrewuk 20:28 #ukedchat Schools cannot directly solve social problems, transform

the economy, make everybody happy or create a utopia.

ejw232 20:28@jwinchester25 @danhaesler We are facilitators of learning now.

Not teachers of knowledge #ukedchat

sufiyapatel 20:28

@danhaesler it can't just be abt passing on knowledge. The

etymology of the word shows us something; it's about drawing things

out #UKEdChatEddieGouthwaite 20:28

#UKEdChat the best way to Learn is the 3 Rs' Get that right they will

learn photocopies are no good

NuttyA10 20:28@ICTwitz So no teacher training as not needed as only need

facilitators? #ukedchat

respros 20:29#ukedchat At its best education makes us free, and its worst it

reinforces the status quo.

danhaesler 20:29

Ok.. Here's my take on purpose of ed. To empower kids to learn

about themselves, their world, and how they can make it better

#ukedchat

philallman1 20:29

@davidhunter the irony is we become more competitive the less we

focus on getting the 'workforce ready' in the traditional sense!

#ukedchat

andyt21 20:29 @ukedchat inspiring thoughts about the future but let's not forget

the present. The opportunity to create, explore, build, collaborate...

mrpeel 20:29@jackieschneider #ukedchat teachers shouldnt peddle stereotypes

or encourage children to accept them

SheilaSpeaking 20:29 RT @danhaesler: We say we want kids to reach their potential. But

how do we know if/when they are doing so? #ukedchat

NuttyA10 20:29@GaryAveryICT Solve the pension crisis in one fell swoop! ;0)#ukedchat

Markynicholls 20:29#ukedchat we are here to inspire and enthuse children by bringing

learning into the 21st century!

SheilaSpeaking 20:29

RT @danhaesler: What do today's parents see the purpose of

education as being? Would they stand for a big shift? Do they want a

shift? #ukedchat

chrismayoh 20:29 @ejw232 Precisely! #ukedchat

ClaireJoanneICT 20:29@chrismayoh You need to develop understanding though, don't you?

#ukedchat

In2schools 20:29RT @riley_ed: #ukedchat Economics once taught me that educationeither develops productivity or acts as a signal for future

productivity. Controversial!

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LearningSpy 20:29

@mrpeel This is why we need to design teaching sequences carefully -

Ss need to encounter concepts at least 3 times to *know* them

#ukedchat

mattbuxton10 20:29 Google (and books for that matter) might provide information and

opinion, but is this the same as knowledge? #ukedchat

chrismayoh 20:29@90_maz Not well, but my point is that the nature of knowledge haschanged. It's more important to be able to interrogate 'facts'

#ukedchat

BobbyCarrot8 20:29

RT @JamiePortman: Gove on Curriculum '...our school system is not

preparing our children for this world.' The irony behind this beggars

belief! #ukedchat

PhilWheeler1 20:29




my_INaSENSE 20:30

RT @Bectully: In my classroom-drama studio-portercabin, Students

learn to understand society and its issues, appreciate art form andknow selves #UKEDCHAT

chrismayoh 20:30@ClaireJoanneICT Certainly, but through allowing pupils to explore,

not to cram their heads with facts #ukedchat

23lilb 20:30




mrpeel 20:30@BrightAire #ukedchat dapper children taught by dapper teachers in

a new initiative?

oldandrewuk 20:30

#ukedchat Also, some apparently academic aims like "thinking skills",

"creativity" or "independence" are largely excuses for dumbing

down.

LearningSpy 20:30@danhaesler Do we really want a private corporation to determine

which knowledge is important/valid? #ukedchat

NuttyA10 20:30@oldandrewuk But surely schools currently create a utopia?

#ukedchat Too far removed from society?

ukedchat 20:30 8.30. #ukedchat this evening half way through with @danhaesler

talking about the purpose of education. Join in :-)

chrismayoh 20:30 @mrpeel Yes, exactly. The *more* important skill now is to be able

to work out the usefulness and validity of information #ukedchat

JazzieDe 20:31

@Markynichols #ukedchat Teachers need to be able to inspire and

motivate, can this be taught? Does this come automatically if

intelligent?

mrpeel 20:31#ukedchat I know more than many 14 yr olds, but do I always apply

knowledge more effectively?

danhaesler 20:31@LearningSpy or in some cases even in existence! Try googling

Tianamen Square in China! #ukedchat

LearningSpy 20:31 @danhaesler Also Sugata Mitra's research shows that encouragment

is an important part of using internet effectively #ukedchat

library_unltd 20:31RT @Nevbar1: Improve numeracy with 7 Cs http://t.co/5PppDtZJ

#education #edchat #ukedchat

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MeganCrawford1 20:31 @danhaesler about themselves and others? #ukedchat

SheilaSpeaking 20:31

RT @danhaesler: Ok.. Here's my take on purpose of ed. To empower

kids to learn about themselves, their world, and how they can make

it better #ukedchat

GaryAveryICT 20:31

RT @chrismayoh: @ClaireJoanneICT Certainly, but through allowing

pupils to explore, not to cram their heads with facts #ukedchat >

agreed!

chrismayoh 20:31 RT @ukedchat: 8.30. #ukedchat this evening half way through with

@danhaesler talking about the purpose of education. Join in :-)

Michael_Merrick 20:31

RT @oldandrewuk: #ukedchat Also, some apparently academic aims

like "thinking skills", "creativity" or "independence" are largely

excuses for dumbing down.

philallman1 20:31@oldandrewuk fundamentally disagree with that. Taught properly it

scales thinking up not dumbs down #ukedchat


@jamesdhobsonuk passing on passion involves passing on

knowledge, however it shouldn't be the centre of education as Govewants #ukedchat

BrightAire 20:32@mrpeel - think I may need some CPD to bring my sartorial skills up

to scratch #ukedchat #scruffyherbert

ClaireJoanneICT 20:32@mattbuxton10 Surely you need to understand and not just

memorise what you have read #ukedchat

Jentyc 20:32

@ukedchat Isn't it about sharing our experience and how we

interpret the world in which we live, then enable learners to

interpret on own?

danhaesler 20:32@MeganCrawford1 140 characters wouldn't let me include that..

hence "the world" and all that entails :) #ukedchat

Lethandrel 20:33

#ukedchat Quick Q: Are parents' job only to breed customers for

education? Surely emotional well-being, preparation for society is

theirs?

HelenaPielichat 20:33 Great thread to follow if you are in education. More about

importance of reading for pleasure please. #ukedchat #books #arts

LearningSpy 20:33 @90_maz Apparently Tamil children can learn molecular biology in

English with no teacher! So maybe, yes. #ukedchat

davidhunter 20:33

@philallman1 #ukedchat couldn't agree more. Creative thinking and

ec. development will not come from grooming children to take officejobs

MisiesD 20:33

RT @davidErogers: Gove isn't in my classroom and we shouldn't do

anything for politicians or ofsted but cos it's the right thing to do

#ukedchat

LearningSpy 20:33@GaryAveryICT Er, but if you don't know anything then you're

definitely not "educated" #ukedchat

MissSMerrill 20:33

#ukedchat not about box ticking. Its what the children need.

Promoting enjoyment and passion for learning & developing

emotional well being

chrismayoh 20:33 Tiredness really kicking in now. Still so many tweets, blog posts and

links to catch up on though, not to mention #ukedchat!

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In2schools 20:34

RT @JazzieDe: @Markynichols #ukedchat Teachers need to be able

to inspire and motivate, can this be taught? Does this come

automatically if intelligent?

danhaesler 20:34@LearningSpy @90_maz But do they "understand" molecular

biology? #ukedchat

GaryAveryICT 20:34@LearningSpy also true... so is education and educated 2 different

things? #ukedchat

jasminedwyer 20:34 #ukedchat if content is free, why go to school? Kids 'drop out' in

primary and 'hang around' for a few more years. #innovativepractice

_imaginaryme 20:34

Politicians think short term. Policy is based on 5 year popularity

cycle. We are working to secure a better future for each pupil

#ukedchat

mrpeel 20:34 #ukedchat not sure conlibs have monopoly on poor edu ministers -

schools need to take initiative in developing students

In2schools 20:34 @PhilWheeler1 Nice definition of success, shame it isn't like that foradults! #ukedchat

InsiaI 20:35



it better #ukedchat

philallman1 20:35RT @GaryAveryICT: is educated a 'measure' and 'education' a

philosophy? #ukedchat

Babbleaboutbks 20:35 @danhaesler Perhaps it's down to the individual then. At some point

we are responsible for our own education. #ukedchat

andyt21 20:35 #ukedchat inspiring thoughts about the future but let's not forget the

present. The opportunity to create, explore, build, collaborate...

GaryAveryICT 20:35is educated a 'measure' and 'education' a philosophy? #ukedchat

ejw232 20:35 @JazzieDe @Markynichols Absolutely not. I've met some truly

intelligent people who completely fail to inspire! #ukedchat

mrpeel 20:35 @BrightAire #ukedchat school trip to Saville Row

cherrylkd 20:35 @NuttyA10 #ukedchat still need teachers for now. The way #Gove is

going there'll be no teachers to decide if we need them or not!

TommyTeachPE 20:36 so many good tweets 2nite on #ukedchat at the end of the day I try

to make every child I have the privilege to to teach, to love learning

LearningSpy 20:36 @danhaesler At least as well (actually better) then privately

educated students in New Delhi http://t.co/ahKwOztG #ukedchat

mattbuxton10 20:36

Too often it appears knowledge is seen 2 simply mean 'facts'; factual

knowledge just one aspect of knowledge, but not the be-all

#ukedchat

ProfTentacles 20:36 #ukedchat Parent's role is to bring their children up as decent human

being and then get the hell out my way so I can teach them.

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PhaedScho 20:36#ukedchat education can also about passing/sharing some of the

best bits of what you have learned in life so far

mrpeel 20:36 #ukedchat some basic edu needed - functional skills in English - letter

writing and so on - wont get jobs without it at a good level


@MissSMerrill totally agree! How many kids have been turned off by

boring 'teaching to the test'? How many teachers havebeen?#ukedchat

norfolkteacher1 20:36

Why is it that us educators are in consensus about what chn need 2

become successful learners, yet we are often disregarded by

gov?#ukedchat

InsiaI 20:36

RT @SheliBB: #ukedchat to celebrate difference and value other's

contributions; to know their strengths and have the desire to

improve weaknesses

LearningSpy 20:37@oldandrewuk Agreed. But interestingly, that's why they were

created #ukedchat

philallman1 20:37 @oldandrewuk so the fact I know that Henry VIII has 6 wives is moreimp than why is it? #ukedchat

ejw232 20:37@norfolkteacher1 I think I've asked myself this every day for what

feels like forever! #ukedchat

danhaesler 20:37@Vickycarl And how do you help your class to see the importance?

#ukedchat

Markynicholls 20:37 @JazzieDe #ukedchat I don't think that intelligence has anything to

do with motivation. Motivation can definitely be taught

philallman1 20:37 @oldandrewuk no we informa about the past and prepare them for a

future we don't know is going to be like by giving tools #ukedchat

SheliBB 20:38




philallman1 20:38@oldandrewuk not sure any of us are THAT naive! #ukedchat

@learningspy

LearningSpy 20:38@mattbuxton10 I've certainly learnt a lot of stuff from books and

google #ukedchat

mrpeel 20:38 #ukedchat knowledge. How do I know anyone on here exists at all?

knowledge is far too complex a term to use carelessly

mattbuxton10 20:38 @ClaireJoanneICT Of course; knowledge requires understanding

absolutely, and is far beyond simple memory & recall #ukedchat

ejw232 20:38@PeterSpencer88 @MissSMerrill I certainly get fed up with it. Often

no time for things I'd love to do #ukedchat

ProfTentacles 20:38 #ukedchat Purpose of education is provide you with the opportunity

to broaden your mind: in effect, Maslow's self-actualisation

Heatherleatt 20:38

@LearningSpy take your point but it's not easy to get schools to

release senior staff for 18+ days a year to go on inspections!#ukedchat

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Babbleaboutbks 20:38@Markynicholls Motivation has to come from within, surely. But

agree, others can inspire. #ukedchat

philallman1 20:38 @Markynicholls @JazzieDe #ukedchat or inspired!

philallman1 20:39 @oldandrewuk If I want to KNOW something I google it. If I want yto

know WHY I have to think - that is not utopian! #ukedchat

InsiaI 20:39 @danhaesler young people themselves... #ukedchat

NuttyA10 20:39 @nickotkdIV @cherrylkd Dismantling of edn is very sad & going back

to content driven curriculum very backwards thinking #ukedchat

LearningSpy 20:39 @Heatherleatt That's just a logistical problem certainly. Maybe

schools should have a responsibility to do this? #ukedchat

Centre4PublicEd 20:39

RT @danhaesler: Given that we, parents, businesses, govt all have

diff ideas. Who should determine the purpose of education? Can it

be done? #ukedchat

danhaesler 20:39 Do you convey what you see the purpose of ed as being to your

pupils/parents/bosses. What reaction do you get? #ukedchat

SheliBB 20:39

RT @ProfTentacles: #ukedchat Purpose of education is provide you

with the opportunity to broaden your mind: in effect, Maslow's self-

actualisation

davidhunter 20:40

Booth and Ainscow (2002) Index for Inclusion sets out a wider

performance indicator for education that reflects the Finnish model

#ukedchat

danhaesler 20:40 RT@InsiaI: @danhaesler young people themselves... #ukedchat


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Babbleaboutbks 20:41@In2schools Good point. #ukedchat. Be great to get a Steiner

perspective.

mattbuxton10 20:41

@LearningSpy Of course you have, because what you read built on

your prior knowledge - you took the info & did something with it!!

#ukedchat

riley_ed 20:41

#ukedchat @danhaesler No, most non-parent taxpayers simply want

to see a return on their investment, eg. a stronger economy in thelong-run

mberry 20:41 Attracted to idea of rational autonomy as aim of education - freedom

to make and act on informed choices. qv R S Peters #ukedchat ...

MissSMerrill 20:41 #ukedchat you want to raise standards. Think about what will inspire

and engage the children. Standards will raise behavior will improve

philallman1 20:41@oldandrewuk @johnmclear I don't go to my doctor for a

philosophical conversation! #ukedchat

Markynicholls 20:41@philallman1 @JazzieDe @babbleaboutbks It does but can you notdevelop this within young people? Through a positive approach

#ukedchat

ufasarah 20:41

only just joining in tonight's #ukedchat - for me fundamentally

education is the bedrock of democracy, social justice & political

freedom

nightzookeeper 20:42 With @bevevans22 @jodieworld @oliverquinlan talking about what

makes a good teacher at #c84c Any ideas? #ukedchat #BETT_Show


RT @oldandrewuk: @LearningSpy #ukedchat Smart people make a

better workforce. But so do healthy people, & nobody says hospitals

are for creating a workforce

InsiaI 20:42

RT @danhaesler: RT@InsiaI: @danhaesler young people

themselves... #ukedchat


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In2schools 20:43@Babbleaboutbks Wish I knew more about it myself... any Steiner

trained teachers following #ukedchat?

ufasarah 20:43 @mberry absolutley has to be #ukedchat

LearningSpy 20:43@oldandrewuk I beg to differ. What on earth else are they for?

#ukedchat

BrightAire 20:43

Young ppl will determine their own economic system after current

employers are dead. We need to equip them to make healthychoices #ukedchat

jackieschneider 20:44Kids often learn DESPITE not because of our teaching #ukedchat

#passthewine

HallyMk1 20:44

Defo sounds Thatcherite RT @mberry ... strong moral purpose to

education too: it's about making society / the world better

#ukedchat

chrismayoh 20:44

RT @danhaesler: 1.2million 16-24 (many with degrees) are out of

work. The ed they have received is no longer required/good

enough... Purpose??? #ukedchat

mrpeel 20:44 @jackieschneider #ukedchat too generalised. i teach selective, huge

number of frees, don't equate selective with wealth - strereotypes.

oldandrewuk 20:44@LearningSpy #ukedchat You think hospitals are for creating a better

workforce? Even geriatric medicine?

HallyMk1 20:44

Sounds Thatcherite MT @mberry Attracted to idea of rational

autonomy as aim of education - freedom to make/act on informed

choices #ukedchat

DanielEzekiel7 20:44



it better #ukedchat

Heatherleatt 20:44RT @mberry: ... strong moral purpose to education too: it's about

making society / the world better #ukedchat


@MissSMerrill @ejw232 it's so disappointing this govt is placing such

an emphasis on tests now, we should be moving away from them

#ukedchat

LearningSpy 20:44 @GaryAveryICT Yes #ukedchat

danhaesler 20:44

1.2million 16-24 (many with degrees) are out of work. The ed they

have received is no longer required/good enough... Purpose???

#ukedchat

90_maz 20:44

RT @mberry: ... strong moral purpose to education too: it's about


jackieschneider 20:44I wish more schools took the hippocratic oath ie - do no harm

#ukedchat

Babbleaboutbks 20:44 @In2schools Me too. Might also be good to get a homeschooler's

perspective. Someone who has opted out of the system. #ukedchat

ProfTentacles 20:45RT @mberry: ... strong moral purpose to education too: it's about


MissMolecules 20:45

RT @ProfTentacles: #ukedchat Parent's role is to bring their children

up as decent human being and then get the hell out my way so I can

teach them.danhaesler 20:45 @Vickycarl Every single day! #ukedchat

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ProfTentacles 20:45RT @jackieschneider: I wish more schools took the hippocratic oath

ie - do no harm #ukedchat

philallman1 20:45

@oldandrewuk hospitals/medicine is a poor analogy. One is to

prevent/cure, educ is to develop and grow. Totally different!

#ukedchat

actionhappiness 20:45

RT @YMSchools: 10 keys to happier living from @actionhappiness

http://t.co/9cTE0SjH Great for teachers and students alike!#wellbeing #ukedchat #duedchat

mrpeel 20:45 #ukedchat edu not about making clever chn, rather about making

chn confident of own worth and ability whatever level that is

ProfTentacles 20:45

Also, no-one who is not educated will have agency in the modern

world: they will constantly be buffeted by outside influence

#ukedchat

EmathsUK 20:45 #ukedchat Purpose of education is to give successive governments

an easy target to blame for all of societies ills :-pBabbleaboutbks 20:45

@danhaesler But that assumes that education is mainly to prepare

people for working life???#ukedchat

nightzookeeper 20:45 @rosBIGWRITING @bevevans22 @jodieworld @oliverquinlan thanks

Ros will throw that in #c84c #ukedchat

LearningSpy 20:45@norfolkteacher1 But they're not. It's important to listen to people

who disagree with you #ukedchat

Primary_Ed 20:45What do you see the purpose of education being?

http://t.co/SkbovH1p #edchat #ukedchat

Vickycarl 20:46

#ukedchat Education needs to be about taking risks The person

who risks nothing, does nothing, has nothing, is nothing, & becomes

nothing."

JamiePortman 20:46 My blog post contributing to the #ukedchat debate:

philallman1 20:46 RT @ufasarah: I like something Tim Brighouse once said...its about

learning to think for yourself and act for others #ukedchat

mrchrisgeorge 20:46

RT @samlearning: The lowest 20% of students gain 4 GCSE grades on

average better with SAM http://t.co/b4j6dwnW #ukedchat #edtech

#BETT12

JazzieDe 20:46 @jackieschneider #ukedchat How sad is that thought though?

ufasarah 20:46I like something Tim Brighouse once said...its about learning to think

for yourself and act for others #ukedchat

danhaesler 20:46 @Babbleaboutbks But that's the argument that gets presented for

keeping ed the way it is! I'm illustrating it's flawed #ukedchat

Lethandrel 20:46And governments? RT @jackieschneider: I wish more schools took

the hippocratic oath ie - do no harm #ukedchat

LearningSpy 20:46@oldandrewuk That's a fantastic example: look at how poor geriatric

medicine often is #ukedchat

riley_ed 20:46 @danhaesler #ukedchat Purpose? When they have decision-making

jobs they use their ed to avoid situations like the one we are in

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PhaedScho 20:47

RT @Vickycarl: #ukedchat Education needs to be about taking risks

The person who risks nothing, does nothing, has nothing, is

nothing, & becomes nothing."

oldandrewuk 20:47

@philallman1 #ukedchat If you have already decided that schools

aren't there to prevent/cure ignorance you might be forced to argue

that.

ProfTentacles 20:47RT @Vickycarl: #ukedchat Education needs to be about taking risksThe person who risks nothing, does nothing, has nothing, is

nothing, & becomes nothing."

neiljones 20:47@mberry so true - what is the purpose of education without values?

#ukedchat @purposeducation

ProfTentacles 20:47

#ukedchat Every student needs to be given the opportunity to fail

and make mistakes: then they value successes & see purpose of

education

danhaesler 20:47The people responsible for the dire financial mess were all very well

educated... weren't they? #ukedchat

NuttyA10 20:47 @cherrylkd @norfolkteacher1 @nickotkdIV How many teachers nowsay they're in it for the long haul? #ukedchat

captainrobs 20:47#ukedchat What does the Wiki Curriculum mean? Does it mean that

the curriculum will be constamntly edited?

philallman1 20:47'Knowing what to do when you don't know what to do' Art Costa

#ukedchat

mberry 20:47@HallyMk1 oh dear. You have me worried now. Is Thatcherite even

worse than Govian? #ukedchat

In2schools 20:47 RT @Lethandrel: And governments? RT @jackieschneider: I wish

more schools took the hippocratic oath ie - do no harm #ukedchat

nightzookeeper 20:48

@oliverquinlan #c84c #BETT_Show good teachers need to have a

good general knowledge. Not just interested in 1 subject

@bevevans22 #ukedchat


How about a bit of support for @Save_Downhills who are standing

up to this governments vile plans for forced academies? #ukedchat

#FF

ufasarah 20:48@danhaesler depends also on your definition of education - school is

only part of the picture #ukedchat

mrpeel 20:48#ukedchat what made anyone here teach? not to improve the

economy, in my case

SheliBB 20:48@LearningSpy I think we had similar educational experiences, but Iwas a passionate learner in primary and have returned to that

#ukedchat

mlovatt1 20:48RT @JamiePortman: My blog post contributing to the #ukedchat

debate:

Heatherleatt 20:48

#ukedchat Anyone who has worked with young offenders will know

the sense of hopelessness engendered by poor literacy skills/lack of

edu

NuttyA10 20:48@danhaesler Depends on your view of edn, obviously not in the skills

to lead the finances of a country! #ukedchat

LearningSpy 20:48RT @mattbuxton10: Too often it appears knowledge is seen 2 simplymean 'facts'; factual knowledge just one aspect of knowledge, but

not the be-all #ukedchat

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SumonT 20:49 #ukedchat #GoveMustGo

TeacherToolkit 20:49 @ukedchat @danhaesler

philallman1 20:49@oldandrewuk but that would make educ valuable intrinsically and

knowledge is not intrinsic #ukedchat

ufasarah 20:49@nightzookeeper and an interest in - even love for children and

young people #ukedchat

LearningSpy 20:49 @danhaesler Yes. They mostly disagree #ukedchatmrpeel 20:49 @captainrobs or just unsubstantiated and crap? #ukedchat

Heatherleatt 20:49 #ukedchat I think there is a duty upon us to ensure that all our young

people have the skills to take part in life & society.

SumonT 20:49

RT @jackieschneider: How about a bit of support for

@Save_Downhills who are standing up to this governments vile plans

for forced academies? #ukedchat #FF

philallman1 20:49

@oldandrewuk same argument difft lens. I prefer 2 grow & develop

skills 4 the future. U prevent ignorance. Mine has longevity

#ukedchat

danhaesler 20:49 Ok.. 10ish mins to go. What are we doing abt it? It seems there is a

lot of energy in here.. but is it just an echo chamber? #ukedchat

InsiaI 20:49 RT @ufasarah: I like something Tim Brighouse once said...its about


LearningSpy 20:49@SheliBB I have used my expereince of disaffection to good effect in

secondary #ukedchat

mberry 20:49

RT @ufasarah I like something Tim Brighouse once said...its about



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ufasarah 20:50

RT @JamiePortman: Regarding tonights #ukedchat focus. Surely

someone has mentioned the 'Purpose/ed' campaign >>>

http://t.co/sqE5zt4l #purposed cc @dajbelshaw

SheliBB 20:50 @LearningSpy and I in primary. It is why I think it is more important

that we aim to keep children passionate about learning #ukedchat

NuttyA10 20:50 @danhaesler What can we do about it? At times it feels like a battle

where we're not listened to anyway so why bother? #ukedchat

JamiePortman 20:50

Regarding tonights #ukedchat focus. Surely someone has mentioned

the 'Purpose/ed' campaign >>> http://t.co/sqE5zt4l #purposed cc

@dajbelshaw

PeterSpencer88 20:50 @mrpeel #ukedchat to inspire children, to make learning fun and

because I don't think there's a more rewarding career

ukedchat 20:50Last ten minutes for #ukedchat this week guest hosted by

@danhaesler Any final thoughts?

Caz963 20:51




danhaesler 20:51 @NuttyA10 Start in your own classroom... #ukedchat

PinkPolitika 20:51 RT @ufasarah: I like something Tim Brighouse once said...its about


LearningSpy 20:51@SheliBB Agrred. I use Dweck's work in my teaching all the time. I try

to teach BELIEF #ukedchat

davidhunter 20:51 @JamiePortman glad you wrote that. context affects the outcome

and, to an extent, the purpose of education. #ukedchat

90_maz 20:51

RT @Heatherleatt: #ukedchat I think there is a duty upon us to

ensure that all our young people have the skills to take part in life &

society.

PhilWheeler1 20:51

RT @Heatherleatt: #ukedchat I think there is a duty upon us to

ensure that all our young people have the skills to take part in life &

society.

HowardRicketts 20:51

RT @YMSchools: 10 keys to happier living from @actionhappiness

http://t.co/9cTE0SjH Great for teachers and students alike!

#wellbeing #ukedchat #duedchat

danhaesler 20:51

RT @NuttyA10: @danhaesler What can we do about it? At times it

feels like a battle where we're not listened to anyway so why bother?

#ukedchat

cherrylkd 20:51@nickotkdIV #ukedchat Hey you're a stayer surely. An asset to the

profession!

ProfTentacles 20:51

#ukedchat we need to remember that we have a moral and

intellectual duty to the students in our care. They have one shot at

this.

danhaesler 20:51

As professionals is there any other prof that wld stand for this? We

are being told to do stuff completely at odds with our ideals#ukedchat

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NuttyA10 20:52@danhaesler Fight for what is right in edn, fight & show that we do

an amazing job #ukedchat

danhaesler 20:52 @NuttyA10 Write a piece for your local paper. Have a #ukedchat

mass email campaign to Gove. Blog for the papers...Speak to parents

Heatherleatt 20:52 RT @ufasarah: I like something Tim Brighouse once said...its aboutlearning to think for yourself and act for others #ukedchat

PeterSpencer88 20:52What are the best ways to get children passionate about learning?

#ukedchat

ProfTentacles 20:52 As professionals, we simply need to remember the difference

between the urgent and the important. #ukedchat

NuttyA10 20:52@danhaesler I wouldn't ever not bother as it would do a disservice to

those chn I teach & my own chn! #ukedchat

mrpeel 20:52@jackieschneider #ukedchat maybe, but figures, like league tables

and exam results, do not paint the whole picture!

ufasarah 20:52 @danhaesler people dont seem as concerned about the changes to

ed compared to the NHS for example? Why? #ukedchat

Markynicholls 20:53 @PeterSpencer88 Being passionate yourself! #ukedchat

LearningSpy 20:53@ufasarah Yes. Have referred several parents in it's direction

#ukedchat

JazzieDe 20:53

@LearningSpy #ukedchat Thanks for the offer but I will pass or ask

my children, they prob know I think I not that bothered, Right

attitude?

danhaesler 20:53

RT @riley_ed: @danhaesler Educated in subjects maybe so. But

clearly they were not educated in the ethics and morality a society

needs #ukedchat

philallman1 20:53 @oldandrewuk never said you could - of course you need knowledge

but not specified knowledge. That's some1 elses agenda #ukedchat

a_p_martin 20:53@ufasarah @danhaesler #ukedchat probably because ed happens to

children who are disenfranchised. Patients vote.

NuttyA10 20:53 @danhaesler All the above and much more, get MPs into schools to

see how fab they truly are & what we do #ukedchat

tj007 20:53RT @LearningSpy: @SheliBB Agrred. I use Dweck's work in myteaching all the time. I try to teach BELIEF #ukedchat

dajbelshaw 20:53 . @JamiePortman Hopefully everyone's gone to sign this HM

Government e-petition: http://t.co/qugGrrIG #ukedchat #purposed

ufasarah 20:53 @LearningSpy yep Dweck's work = v powerful, and yp grasp it SO

easily too - but its not just for yp, for adults too! #ukedchat

tj007 20:54

RT @familysimpson: @jasminedwyer #ukedchat because children

need to learn how to learn and they need guidance in exploring as

yet unknown ideas.

jamesdhobsonuk 20:54ukedchat; the purpose of education could be to realize that you

can't progress by googling your problem

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davidhunter 20:54

I find it amusing one minute we're supposed to be teaching old

school history facts,the next the skills to reprogram the world!

#ukedchat

SheliBB 20:54@LearningSpy did have one inspirational English teacher, who taught

through drama. Hence my passion #ukedchat

PhaedScho 20:54RT @Markynicholls: @PeterSpencer88 Being passionate yourself!

#ukedchat

PhilWheeler1 20:54@PeterSpencer88 #ukedchat build on mistakes and its ok to make

mistakes.

Biolady99 20:54 RT @90_maz: #ukedchat surely it's about teaching basic skills needed

to live as a member of society.literate, numerate and questioning

LearningSpy 20:54@JazzieDe Probably not but am relieved not to have to go into it

#ukedchat

familysimpson 20:54 @jasminedwyer #ukedchat because children need to learn how to

learn and they need guidance in exploring as yet unknown ideas.

Biolady99 20:54 RT @reflectivemaths: #ukedchat I think edu should put people in a

position to decide what is important when making decisions

PhilWheeler1 20:55

@NuttyA10: @danhaesler All the above and much more, get MPs

into schools to see how fab they truly are & what we do #ukedchat

agree

danhaesler 20:55 In Oz, the former lead singer of Midnight Oil (how can you sleep

when ur beds are burning) is the Ed minister! :) #ukedchat

cherrylkd 20:55 @bucharesttutor @nickotkdiv #ukedchat it's a bit depressing tonight.

Suppose it's the January blues getting to our usually positive tchrs

oldandrewuk 20:55@philallman1 @learningspy #ukedchat Scratch a progressive

educationalist and a utopian bleeds.

JazzieDe 20:55@Markynicholls @PeterSpencer88 #ukedchat Where has the passion

gone?

reflectivemaths 20:55@LearningSpy @jazziede I wonder what he was *feeling* about

having 6 wives. #ukedchat

TommyTeachPE 20:55

We are continuing to be passionte about nurturing the future gen.

despite the goalposts continuing to move & going above & beyond

#ukedchatstuayres 20:55 RT @SumonT: #ukedchat #GoveMustGo

ukedchat 20:55 BTW, where did that hour go please? #ukedchat

ICE2911 20:55

#ukedchat Tiffany-T Pratchett Read,write,think, find what they're

good at cos someone doing what they really like an asset to any

country

ufasarah 20:55

@a_p_martin @danhaesler #ukedchat -yep, not only do they all vote

but everyone thinks they're an expert on school - having been to

one!

JacquiStrachan 20:55 RT @danhaesler: We say we want kids to reach their potential. Buthow do we know if/when they are doing so? #ukedchat

ukedchat 20:55 #ukedchat Last 5 minutes folks :-)

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mrpeel 20:56 #ukedchat purpose 1 to show it's worth questioning everything, 2 to

accept that somethings need to be "known" and accepted as fact?

bucharesttutor 20:56 @cherrylkd @nickotkdiv couldn't really contribute tonight as just

came home an hour ago #ukedchat don't worry we will all pick up

Biolady99 20:56RT @Heatherleatt: #ukedchat purpose of edu is to motivate &enthuse people to want to learn; to explore; be creative &


ufasarah 20:56 @danhaesler COOOOL!! #ukedchat

GaryAveryICT 20:56

IF we teach more 'facts' then people can go on quiz shows and win

money to pump into the economy... I see thought their plan :)

#ukedchat

LearningSpy 20:56@oldandrewuk Is this reverse true. Are you distopian? #ukedchat

danhaesler 20:56

RT @PhilWheeler1: "@NuttyA10: @danhaesler All the above and

much more, get MPs into schools to see how fab they truly are &what we do #ukedchat" agree

davidhunter 20:56Perhaps we spend too much time in school. How much can you

REALLY experience there? #ukedchat

oldandrewuk 20:56 @LearningSpy #ukedchat It was definitely an argument for mass

education, but that doesn't make it the purpose of education.

mberry 20:56

@familysimpson broadening horizons, yes. Do children really need to

learn how to learn? Isn't this pre-installed? #ukedchat

@jasminedwyer

ProfTentacles 20:56 The problem with education is that cos everyone's been to school

they think they know how it works. They don't #ukedchat

philallman1 20:56 @oldandrewuk @learningspy scratch an embittered educationalist

and a daily mail reader is exposed ;) touche #ukedchat

tj007 20:56

RT @TommyTeachPE: We are continuing to be passionte about

nurturing the future gen. despite the goalposts continuing to move &

going above & beyond #ukedchat

MrAColley 20:56

RT @dajbelshaw: . @JamiePortman Hopefully everyone's gone to

sign this HM Government e-petition: http://t.co/qugGrrIG #ukedchat

#purposed

jwinchester25 20:56

RT @TommyTeachPE: We are continuing to be passionte about

nurturing the future gen. despite the goalposts continuing to move &

going above & beyond #ukedchat

Caz963 20:56RT @Lethandrel: More and more responsibilities that should be

parents' are being passed to schools. #ukedchat

LearningSpy 20:56 @reflectivemaths Well, I'm NOT explaining that! #ukedchat

PhilWheeler1 20:57

RT @mrpeel: #ukedchat purpose 1 to show it's worth questioning

everything, 2 to accept that somethings need to be "known" and

accepted as fact?

PhilWheeler1 20:57RT @GaryAveryICT: IF we teach more 'facts' then people can go onquiz shows and win money to pump into the economy... I see

thought their plan :) #ukedchat

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GaryAveryICT 20:57 through... what is it with me? #ukedchat

oldandrewuk 20:57@philallman1 #ukedchat No, but nobody knows why Henry VIII had 6

wives without first knowing he did have 6 wives.

LearningSpy 20:57@oldandrewuk It's a useful reminder that society is our client. Not

parents and not kids. #ukedchat

PhaedScho 20:57

RT @ProfTentacles: The problem with education is that cos

everyone's been to school they think they know how it works. Theydon't #ukedchat

tj007 20:57




philallman1 20:57 @oldandrewuk @learningspy there is nothing wrong with still

believing you can achieve the best for the kids in your are! #ukedchat

LearningSpy 20:58

RT @ProfTentacles: #ukedchat Every student needs to be given the

opportunity to fail and make mistakes: then they value successes &

see purpose of educationcoxondj 20:58

#ukedchat apple eu summit #appleeu Ditch the interactive

whiteboards and let kids write on every surface!

Markynicholls 20:58@JazzieDe @PeterSpencer88 Its there. The reason we went into

teaching...to make a difference. #ukedchat

teachitso 20:58

@oldandrewuk @Redsra @philallman1 #ukedchat Many reasoning

skills can be taught, eg which items to manipulate in working

memory & how

oldandrewuk 20:58

@philallman1 #ukedchat If we don't know what the future is like we

can't give them the tools for it. We only have the tools of the

present.

philallman1 20:58

RT @danhaesler: The last hr has shown there is more than one

"purpose" - Yet it's a shame there is only really one distillation of an

ed. A grade. #ukedchat

philallman1 20:58 @oldandrewuk no but the knowledge itself is irrelevant. I could have

used reasons for WWII or causes of civil war...#ukedchat

danhaesler 20:58

The last hr has shown there is more than one "purpose" - Yet it's a

shame there is only really one distillation of an ed. A grade.

#ukedchat

Lethandrel 20:58

You'd think "knowing things" was BAD, reading some views

#ukedchat

Redsra 20:58RT @philallman1: @oldandrewuk fluency of what? - the ability to

think is not fluency its a skill! #ukedchat

ProfTentacles 20:59 Purpose 1 is to learn to question: 2 learn how to find right question

3. how to find the answers 4. how to tell if answer's true #ukedchat

jasminedwyer 20:59@mberry @familysimpson #ukedchat Isn't child's world view

intrinsically motivated to 'learn' from birth thru play?

mberry 20:59@ejw232 I suspect you may be right. Still, keeps us busy, eh?

#ukedchat @familysimpson @jasminedwyer

danhaesler 20:59 How many of us went into teaching to raise the standardise testscores of our local school? #ukedchat

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tj007 20:59Only just arrived at the end of #ukedchat - seen some good

comments so far, will have to catch up on the others later

GaryAveryICT 20:59@coxondj ideas walls... painted with special paint.. seen it but never

tried it #ukedchat

MrSimpson07 20:59

RT @ProfTentacles: #ukedchat Every student needs to be given the

opportunity to fail and make mistakes: then they value successes &

see purpose of education

reflectivemaths 20:59@davidhunter Good Question. I really don't think student leave

school with 11 yrs worth of maths ability #ukedchat

mrpeel 20:59#ukedchat back to marking mock GCSE and to a bag of white

maltesers - great life as a teacher!

philallman1 20:59@oldandrewuk no we have the generic skills of a lifetime we have

the KNOWLEDGE of the present! #ukedchat

DeptfordSaysNo 20:59

RT @jackieschneider: How about a bit of support for

@Save_Downhills who are standing up to this governments vile plans

for forced academies? #ukedchat #FF

mattbuxton10 21:00 In order 2analyse anything, be critical, reason, apply logic & form an

opinion u need 2 know the facts, otherwise its ill-informed #ukedchat

ICE2911 21:00#ukedchat the ability to learn, relearn and be prepared for a world

that does not exist yet

ejw232 21:00@mberry @familysimpson @jasminedwyer Absolutely :-) #ukedchat

JazzieDe 21:00@Markynicholls @PeterSpencer888 #ukedchat Yes and the reason

we are still here!!

cherrylkd 21:00@nickotkdIV @bucharesttutor #ukedchat Brilliant point well made.

reflectivemaths 21:00@LearningSpy #ukedchat Sure, but a gd edu would allow Ss to

empathise. They aren't facts.

Nevbar1 21:00Well Duh - dumb things we do in school http://t.co/ZjA8QcCR

#education #ukedchat #edchat

simcloughlin 21:00

RT @davidhunter: I find it amusing one minute we're supposed to be

teaching old school history facts,the next the skills to reprogram the

world! #ukedchat

LearningSpy 21:00@SheliBB I had a good English teacher also - the reason I write

#ukedchat

ukedchat 21:00 It's 9pm. HUGE thanks to @danhaesler for hosting #ukedchat thisevening. The archive will be available soon at ukedchat.com

ufasarah 21:01thanks @danhaesler sorry I didnt get to be here for all of the chat

#ukedchat

web20education 21:01

New #edtech20 blog post #Kl1an new online notepad in the cloud

http://t.co/rE1qZmZ5 #elearning #edchat #tlchat #cpchat #ukedchat

#eltchat

danhaesler 21:01 Thanks for having me! If you're keen to connect further my website is

http://t.co/PKHO1tNu It's been an absolute pleasure #ukedchat

familysimpson 21:01 @ejw232 @mberry @jasminedwyer I agree. We bore the joy oflearning out of them. #ukedchat

samschoolstuff 21:01 Looks like I missed a good #ukedchat tonight. Will catch up.

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damoward 21:01RT @JamiePortman: My blog post contributing to the #ukedchat

debate:

Skelly2525 21:01

@ProfTentacles This has been my philosophy since starting teaching

17yrs ago...problem comes when it doesn't meet LT philosophy

#ukedchat

LearningSpy 21:01 @reflectivemaths We cannot usefully empathise with Henry -important to understand the context of his actions. #ukedchat

davidhunter 21:01 @PhaedScho sharing exp and experiencing for yourself are different

tho #ukedchat I am later to teaching too.Field trips should be weekly

oldandrewuk 21:01

@Heatherleatt #ukedchat I love the way people who argue for

"thinking independently" sound like a million others who say the

same thing.

jackieschneider 21:01 If you care about education please follow @Save_Downhills - they

are doing an incredible job and really deserve our support #ukedchatTeachtoLearn_ 21:01

RT @TeacherToolkit: Does anyone have an example of a Peer

Observation proforma?

philallman1 21:01@danhaesler thanks for that hour - wow zoomed by again! Great

discussion. Lots to think about again! #ukedchat

headteacher01 21:01@Lethandrel only if knowing is valued more than understanding or

questioning #ukedchat

ufasarah 21:01

the work that we've done in the last few years which hands control

back to YP seems to have had a BIG impact on yp #ukedchat

@UFAorg

ukedchat 21:01Next week, #ukedchat is being hosted by @Sharland talking about

#digitalstudies Info at http://t.co/gslFhuiW

Centre4PublicEd 21:02RT @danhaesler: How many of us went into teaching to raise the

standardise test scores of our local school? #ukedchat

Centre4PublicEd 21:02

RT @danhaesler: The last hr has shown there is more than one

"purpose" - Yet it's a shame there is only really one distillation of an

ed. A grade. #ukedchat

headteacher01 21:02

RT @Markynicholls @JazzieDe @PeterSpencer88 Its there. The

reason we went into teaching...to make a difference. #ukedchat and

the holidays!

jwinchester25 21:02 Interesting #ukedchat tonight thanks @danhaesler, time to getpacked ready for #BETT_show and #tmbett2012 tomorrow!!

PhilWheeler1 21:02@ukedchat @sharland I'll be back for that after 2 parents evenings in

the past two weeks.

davidhunter 21:02@reflectivemaths maths is only a tool to solve problems after all.Do

they have enough problems to solve? #ukedchat

cherrylkd 21:02 @bucharesttutor @nickotkdiv #ukedchat sorry! Lost twitter there.

Yes we should always remain positive and keep up our good work

InsiaI 21:02

RT @ukedchat: It's 9pm. HUGE thanks to @danhaesler for hosting

#ukedchat this evening. The archive will be available soon atukedchat.com

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LearningSpy 21:03

@danhaesler Our responsibility is to be educated about education.

And staple findings to the nearest Ofsted inspector's forehead

#ukedchat

riley_ed 21:03My first ever #ukedchat completed. Thanks to @danhaesler for

hosting

BrightAire 21:03@mrpeel - it must seem, to students, that dedication to life-long

learning is all a bit of a ballache at times #ukedchat

reflectivemaths 21:03#tutortimeactivites collection http://t.co/iNuRPUpN includes

#WouldYouRather #ukedchat

JamiePortman 21:03

Congratulations to @oldandrewuk. As predicted his views on

education are completely inappropriate for context of UK in 21stC

#UKedchat

danhaesler 21:04I'm outta here folks! Thx again! It's been a blast!

http://t.co/PKHO1tNu #ukedchat

NuttyA10 21:04@danhaesler Thanks for hosting #ukedchat it was a good one.

riley_ed 21:04 My first ever #ukedchat completed. Thanks to @danhaesler forhosting. Enjoyed it immensely!

familysimpson 21:04 @jasminedwyer @mberry @ejw32 so approach to teaching is wrong

if the motivation to continue learning disappears? #ukedchat

danhaesler 21:04

RT @LearningSpy: @danhaesler Our responsibility is to be educated

about education. And staple findings to the nearest Ofsted

inspector's forehead #ukedchat

InsiaI 21:05

RT @ufasarah: the work that we've done in the last few years which

hands control back to YP seems to have had a BIG impact on yp

#ukedchat @UFAorg

davidhunter 21:05RT @NuttyA10: @danhaesler Thanks for hosting #ukedchat it was a

good one.

johnmclear 21:05 @oldandrewuk You should really go to get your prostate checked if

that is your understanding of how health care works. #ukedchat

Heatherleatt 21:06@oldandrewuk #ukedchat well it might not be original, but that

doesn't make it wrong.

LiamRCarr 21:06

If every Y11 finished the year able to have a sensible, polite

converstation with people from different backgrounds, I wld be :-)

#ukedchat

DeptfordSaysNo 21:06RT @mberry: #ukedchat folk who think purpose of educationdeserves wider debate might like to 'sign' Tim Rudd's e-petition

http://t.co/DtlqYkLM

norfolkTeachers 21:06

RT @mberry: #ukedchat folk who think purpose of education

deserves wider debate might like to 'sign' Tim Rudd's e-petition

http://t.co/DtlqYkLM

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